| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft and Its Buddy #GE (of #MSNBC Bias) Lobby for #IntellectualMonopolies http://bit.ly/dmLYJ | Sep 26 00:00 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Samba Lawyer #CarloPiana Criticises #Microsoft for Abuse with #Patents http://piana.eu/en/ms_undertaking | Sep 26 00:04 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Analysts: #Vista7 Will Not Increase Sales http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20090924PD201.html | Sep 26 00:05 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Is Microsoft saying “Please use our products”? – MS pleads for support? http://tinyurl.com/y988vw7 #microsoft #windows7 #fail #silverlight | Sep 26 00:30 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I've seen some tragic things in my life, Ive seen some cringeworthy things...The #Microsoft #Windows party ad has to be the worst IMO. #fail | Sep 26 00:33 | |
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| cubezzz | I used to talk to microsoft canada in the 80's | Sep 26 00:43 |
| cubezzz | I was got a bad vibe from them | Sep 26 00:43 |
| cubezzz | SCO (this being old SCO Unix) was much better to deal with | Sep 26 00:44 |
| cubezzz | was=always | Sep 26 00:44 |
| cubezzz | anyways... back to the present... | Sep 26 00:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know whats funny? | Sep 26 00:47 |
| cubezzz | hmm? | Sep 26 00:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | like half of apache's java projects came from donated sun code | Sep 26 00:47 |
| cubezzz | like GlassFish? | Sep 26 01:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @ramkrsna Got a piece of Python software not in fedora yet. Get it along to PyCon India at 1545 hrs, http://in.pycon.org/2009/talkfull/47 | Sep 26 01:13 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] My place is crowded with ppl 4 #pycon . @santhoshtr, @hfactor @gnuanu , jaisen are here. @ragasagar and jinesh were on their way | Sep 26 01:17 | |
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| cubezzz | ok, I sometimes like to listen to http://www.jazz.fm/ | Sep 26 01:26 |
| cubezzz | but it's got this silly flash frontend | Sep 26 01:26 |
| cubezzz | guess I'll go through the code | Sep 26 01:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/773lypMaA9g/Ballmer-Admits-We-Screwed-Up-Windows-Mobile | Sep 26 01:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | bwhahahahah | Sep 26 01:27 |
| cubezzz | dare I ask what's bad about it? :) | Sep 26 01:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, winmo really is pretty fail | Sep 26 01:28 |
| cubezzz | Ballmer was dancing for WinME so Windows Mobile must be utterly garbage :) | Sep 26 01:31 |
| cubezzz | "Give it up for MEEEE!!!!" | Sep 26 01:32 |
| cubezzz | :-P | Sep 26 01:33 |
| schestowitz | Just finished watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAD25s53wmE&feature=related . It's brilliant | Sep 26 01:39 |
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| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Windows_Mobile_Reality_Log | Sep 26 01:41 |
| schestowitz | gn | Sep 26 01:41 |
| cubezzz | hey, I can't kick the bad guys :) | Sep 26 01:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: actually, he was really saying "give it up for balmer" | Sep 26 01:54 |
| cubezzz | are you sure? | Sep 26 01:55 |
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| _goblin | He does clearly shout "Give it up for me...." | Sep 26 02:00 |
| cubezzz | ok, lol | Sep 26 02:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin:++ | Sep 26 02:03 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] #dreamhost #fails . Most of my sites are down | Sep 26 02:21 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Reached @ iisc for pycon .what is the hashtag for event? | Sep 26 05:02 | |
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| cubezzz | de-obfuscated www.jazz.fm w00t | Sep 26 05:31 |
| cubezzz | next I try on embedix | Sep 26 05:33 |
| Will | Goblin found this Win7 party video. One of the most cringe-worthy things I've seen in a while. Bill Gates and Seinfeld ads were much better than this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oWWt_L-qeo&feature=player_embedded#t=112 | Sep 26 05:35 |
| BarryManilow | to dj goblin ! | Sep 26 05:35 |
| Will | I'd like to see someone go to the party with a Kubuntu live CD and sneak it into the laptop before the demo starts. | Sep 26 05:37 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/news/local/61508827.html | Sep 26 06:11 |
| DaemonFC | the police found four guns after finding a hit list yesterday | Sep 26 06:11 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Missed #inpycon keynote by prabhu. i was in a chat with @playingwithsid and @santhoshtr at iisc teaboard | Sep 26 06:14 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/26/nyregion/26profile.html?hpw | Sep 26 06:33 |
| DaemonFC | From Smiling Coffee Vendor to Terror Suspect | Sep 26 06:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] now in Buildout for Development & Deployment talk by @baijum . hall is full #inpycon slides here http://tr.im/zMeg | Sep 26 06:34 | |
| DaemonFC | I looked at the so called "Linux patents" earlier that OIN bought | Sep 26 06:50 |
| DaemonFC | most of them are totally bogus and would be next to impossible to defend in court | Sep 26 06:51 |
| DaemonFC | cause everyone with an OS or web browser does the things described | Sep 26 06:51 |
| DaemonFC | finding prior art wouldn't be a problem at all for more than half of them | Sep 26 06:51 |
| DaemonFC | looks to me like a set of junk patents that Microsoft knew were not even worth having | Sep 26 06:54 |
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| moshe_ | Hey Roy...I posted some YouTube links (big band stuff) in COLA for you...enjoy... | Sep 26 07:13 |
| moshe_ | what's a CTP Version? | Sep 26 07:15 |
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| DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/09/26/huntington-north-high-school-gun-threat-keeps-many-kids-at-home/ | Sep 26 08:03 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Think I was too kind on them? :) | Sep 26 08:10 |
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| schestowitz | WOn't the proce repossess guns? | Sep 26 08:28 |
| DaemonFC | ? | Sep 26 08:29 |
| DaemonFC | my main point was that the $50,000 spent fighting to keep that bible trailer could have put metal detectors in all our schools | Sep 26 08:29 |
| schestowitz | Under what circumstance might a person really need firearms? | Sep 26 08:29 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Children are never legally in possession of a handgun | Sep 26 08:30 |
| schestowitz | I've only just looked at the post | Sep 26 08:30 |
| DaemonFC | you have to be 21 or over and have a valid carry permit | Sep 26 08:30 |
| DaemonFC | 18 for a shotgun | Sep 26 08:30 |
| DaemonFC | anything fully automatic is always illegal except for police and such | Sep 26 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | gun laws don't do anything to slow the criminals down | Sep 26 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | they just penalize law abiding citizens | Sep 26 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | you see how those kids got ahold of four handguns easily enough | Sep 26 08:33 |
| DaemonFC | the fact that having them was illegal wouldn't have stopped them from murdering other kids at the high school | Sep 26 08:33 |
| DaemonFC | and they could easily be back with more tomorrow | Sep 26 08:33 |
| DaemonFC | gun laws pretty much just take guns away from the people who should have them | Sep 26 08:34 |
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| DaemonFC | and they allow criminals an unfair advantage and superior firepower | Sep 26 08:34 |
| DaemonFC | I do honestly believe that if most people carried guns, the crime rate would go down a lot | Sep 26 08:35 |
| DaemonFC | would you knock over a store if everyone in there was armed? | Sep 26 08:35 |
| DaemonFC | criminals gt to function because gun control laws make it easier for them to overpower other people | Sep 26 08:36 |
| DaemonFC | *get | Sep 26 08:36 |
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| DaemonFC | the crime rate goes up as we pass more and more anti-gun laws | Sep 26 08:37 |
| DaemonFC | have you ever stopped to consider that there is a reason? | Sep 26 08:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Employees Caught #AstroTurfing Again? http://bit.ly/19gdOo | Sep 26 08:38 | |
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| DaemonFC | I believe that the handgun ownership age should be 18 and that the carry permit should be free or a minimal processing charge | Sep 26 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | instead you have these ultra liberals that are like a disease, punishing law abiding people | Sep 26 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | people get so caught up on one extreme or another | Sep 26 08:40 |
| DaemonFC | they never stop to think that far left is just as bad as far right | Sep 26 08:40 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I'm sending my 360 in again | Sep 26 08:41 |
| DaemonFC | it's been laying there dead for a few months | Sep 26 08:41 |
| DaemonFC | I got burned out on it | Sep 26 08:41 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, the red ring of death is so common that their automated system can now authorize the repair order for you | Sep 26 08:42 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Sep 26 08:42 |
| DaemonFC | so what does that t ell you? | Sep 26 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | *tell | Sep 26 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure there will be another XBOX no matter how much they eat on the 360 | Sep 26 08:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Analysts Say That #Vista7 Will Fail to Spur Sales http://bit.ly/9RCQj | Sep 26 08:56 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, For people that want Windows and ask me about the express upgrade, I always just tell them wait til it's shipping | Sep 26 09:00 |
| DaemonFC | cause with the express upgrade, you never know what Microsoft will decide to send you | Sep 26 09:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @Gauravonomics: Livemint Story on Twitter Etiquette http://bit.ly/CjMtx | Sep 26 09:33 | |
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| vcent | just what we need 300 million mike tyson or OJ's running around with handguns,, geee I feel safer allready ! | Sep 26 09:40 |
| vcent | "Here is your gun, it has the usual "point and click" interface. | Sep 26 09:42 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RichardStallman is Not the Bad Guy http://bit.ly/3w0Xhd | Sep 26 10:03 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] i dont want to miss post teabreak sessions in #inpycon . It seems i will miss jamilla knowles talk in CIS. http://bit.ly/fDufr | Sep 26 10:20 | |
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| trmanco | Random Fortune: When you say "I wrote a program that crashed Windows", people just stare at you blankly and say "Hey, I got those with the system, *for free*". -- Linus Torvalds | Sep 26 11:04 |
| trmanco | heh :) | Sep 26 11:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Abuse with #SoftwarePatents Carries on http://bit.ly/UnT45 | Sep 26 11:12 | |
| _goblin | LOL....Poor Lily the filesharing filly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL9-esIM2CY | Sep 26 11:18 |
| oiaohm | trmanco: a sad but true joke. | Sep 26 11:18 |
| _goblin | I thought Lily Allen would have taken a lesson from what happened to Indiana Gregg | Sep 26 11:20 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: good one | Sep 26 11:20 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: great lyrics too | Sep 26 11:23 |
| magentar | http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=8170 seems like wm7 will be just another vista | Sep 26 11:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT: An open letter to Lilly Allen, In song form. http://j.mp/zbNBL #lily allen #fact #music #fail | Sep 26 11:24 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] The worst Microsoft ads of all time | Technology | guardian.co.uk http://tinyurl.com/ydd9xvt | Sep 26 11:24 | |
| schestowitz | Brilliant one. Bull makes fans. | Sep 26 11:24 |
| _goblin | I think my headline is cool though...."Silly Lily the filesharing filly" - its my latest article to be posted soon... | Sep 26 11:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Judge upholds retirement at 65 but says age should change | Does this apply to Judges and Politicians too? http://tinyurl.com/yc5vdcm | Sep 26 11:25 | |
| schestowitz | magentar: yes, it's screwed http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Windows_Mobile_Reality_Log | Sep 26 11:28 |
| oiaohm | Now I wish that dear lily had the mp3 somewhere. | Sep 26 11:29 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: does she really quit? As I understand it, shortly after she wroe this she blew up her blog | Sep 26 11:29 |
| oiaohm | Or ogg | Sep 26 11:29 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: I'll add this view as <embed> to Daily Links | Sep 26 11:29 |
| schestowitz | Twitter still falls flat. http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/09/25/twitter-traffic-slows-as-money-increases | Sep 26 11:30 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the point of plateau. | Sep 26 11:30 |
| magentar | interesting that even ballmer admits that wm6.5 is screwed | Sep 26 11:32 |
| oiaohm | No option magentar | Sep 26 11:33 |
| oiaohm | wm6.5 is bleeding market. | Sep 26 11:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @achitnis: Hashtag for http://bit.ly/1Sx3lK is #cisugc | Sep 26 11:33 | |
| schestowitz | WTF? http://digg.com/microsoft/Roy_Schestowitz_helps_MS_shareholders_to_get_rid_of_Ballmer | Sep 26 11:33 |
| schestowitz | More libel there, too | Sep 26 11:33 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: Microsoft went to Nokia trying to sweep up some remanants | Sep 26 11:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/09/25/the-web-weighs-in-on-twitters-1-billion-valuation | Sep 26 11:36 |
| schestowitz | "A purported message from Osama bin Laden to Europeans urges them to distance themselves from the United States, noting that Americans are losing the war in Afghanistan." http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/09/25/binladen.message/index.html | Sep 26 11:37 |
| schestowitz | "Once again, we see that those who can't compete, sue." http://techdirt.com/articles/20090924/0207016299.shtml | Sep 26 11:39 |
| schestowitz | ^re: FB lawsuit I wrote about an hour ago | Sep 26 11:39 |
| schestowitz | It's sad how they try to sue the giants | Sep 26 11:39 |
| schestowitz | Texas Instruments Goes Legal On Calculator Hackers: How Dare You Make Our Product Better! < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090924/2329206316.shtml > | Sep 26 11:39 |
| schestowitz | This guy is delusional: http://brianedwardsmedia.co.nz/2009/09/why-public-libraries-are-just-a-form-of-theft/ | Sep 26 11:42 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: that is author stupidty. | Sep 26 11:45 |
| schestowitz | xJournalist: Oh No! Student Journalists Will Destroy Journalism! < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090925/1512486325.shtml > | Sep 26 11:47 |
| oiaohm | I have been mean to tell you this schestowitz. The moblin getting silverlight from MS gets funnier. Ubuntu Netbook remix can run moblin applications. | Sep 26 11:48 |
| oiaohm | So why now does Ubuntu need to ship moonlight. | Sep 26 11:49 |
| oiaohm | Effectively MS has slapped Novell in face. | Sep 26 11:49 |
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| _goblin | Sorry Roy...her blog appears to have had its entries deleted...maybe her anti-piracy crusade was the result of a weeklong bender that she hadn't quite sobered up from? | Sep 26 11:52 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @latelyontime: Jamillah Knowles (BBC) talking abt User Generated Content & news @cis_india, Bangalore. Follow #cisugc | Sep 26 11:54 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, like I said. | Sep 26 11:55 |
| schestowitz | Moon Lie may be dead | Sep 26 11:55 |
| schestowitz | Some would say it's the 'FOSS version' | Sep 26 11:55 |
| schestowitz | Like gnash for Flash | Sep 26 11:55 |
| schestowitz | But Moon Lie has the patent issues | Sep 26 11:55 |
| schestowitz | And binary codecs | Sep 26 11:56 |
| schestowitz | That's why I said, if Microsoft just ported it at the start, then they concede the whole legal mess | Sep 26 11:56 |
| oiaohm | http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/09/26/0228253/Ants-Vs-Worms-mdash-Computer-Security-Mimics-Nature HMM secuiry guyes gettting desperate | Sep 26 11:56 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: she said she's quit music | Sep 26 11:56 |
| schestowitz | "I will never release an album again," she said (not exact quote | Sep 26 11:57 |
| schestowitz | Kind of sad | Sep 26 11:57 |
| schestowitz | She's misled | Sep 26 11:57 |
| schestowitz | She'll carry on this reputation | Sep 26 11:57 |
| schestowitz | I thought it was a good pulicity stunt for her at first | Sep 26 11:57 |
| schestowitz | But some people say that this is how artists kill their career for good | Sep 26 11:58 |
| oiaohm | The is a issue here can we be sure she even wrote it. | Sep 26 11:58 |
| schestowitz | Like getting caught with drugs, perdophelia, violent crime, etc. | Sep 26 11:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @dhempe: #cisugc BBC user generated content's official twitter acct is @BBC_HaveYourSay | Sep 26 11:58 | |
| oiaohm | Lot of media companies put up ghost writers.. | Sep 26 11:58 |
| schestowitz | I was not sure it's her | Sep 26 11:58 |
| schestowitz | But if it wasn't, she'd say soemthing (the real one) | Sep 26 11:58 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly true. | Sep 26 11:59 |
| oiaohm | It would all depend on contract if she could. | Sep 26 11:59 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: it makes a good story line, but how effective is it really | Sep 26 12:00 |
| schestowitz | Fancy descriptions like "Extreme programming" | Sep 26 12:00 |
| oiaohm | The ants idea is nothing new. | Sep 26 12:00 |
| oiaohm | They were first called counter worms. | Sep 26 12:00 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the analogy is | Sep 26 12:00 |
| oiaohm | They got banned in 1996 due to the fact counter worms could be just as harmful as a normal worm | Sep 26 12:01 |
| schestowitz | It would work well alongside the Dancign Bear algorithm and the Flying Giraffe security suite..... | Sep 26 12:01 |
| oiaohm | ants idea is attempt to do counter worms without let loss a nuke. | Sep 26 12:01 |
| oiaohm | Problem is attacker wanting a ddos now only has to trick the ants. | Sep 26 12:02 |
| oiaohm | Its desperation. | Sep 26 12:02 |
| oiaohm | Signature detection systems are running to the end of there functional life. | Sep 26 12:02 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8275483.stm | Sep 26 12:02 |
| oiaohm | So they have to find something else or except we have to change OS's. | Sep 26 12:03 |
| oiaohm | IE kill off the problem OS. | Sep 26 12:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Fossee.in teams presentation on Python in science and engineering education in india started, hall full #inpycon #nmeict | Sep 26 12:06 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] #nmeict funding prerequesits related to education, inter institutional, opensource/ content #inpycon | Sep 26 12:08 | |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: You once asked me to inform you about any good videos that I come accross. | Sep 26 12:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Mhrd's #nmeict funds iit bombays foss projects . Fossee project works on python and on scilab #inpython | Sep 26 12:13 | |
| _goblin | "she said she's quit music" - Maybe filesharing is a good thing afterall....I might have to change my stance on it. | Sep 26 12:13 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: Here's this series of 51 episodes that I thought you might enjoy: http://media.abovetopsecret.com/media/3296/The_Arrivals_Introduction/ | Sep 26 12:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] #inpycon Foss for science and engineering education (fossee) targets #python teaching for science and engineering education | Sep 26 12:17 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] #inpycon #fossee current goal: converting existing cources with python tools. Longterm goal change syllabus | Sep 26 12:18 | |
| schestowitz | _goblin: of _legal_ files | Sep 26 12:21 |
| schestowitz | I now listen to over 1000 tracks that artists gave away at SxSW | Sep 26 12:21 |
| schestowitz | I get exposed to singers I would have NEVER heard of if I had stuck to MTV, Chart Show TV, etc. | Sep 26 12:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] good to see 2 active foss activists from fsugbangalore in fossee team @madhusudhan and @santoshvattom | Sep 26 12:22 | |
| schestowitz | They are all that I listen to these days unless I'm at the gym or something. They are better off with exposure than none at all... names you never heard of | Sep 26 12:22 |
| _goblin | " of _legal_ files" | Sep 26 12:25 |
| _goblin | I was being flippant...of course... | Sep 26 12:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] #inpycon fossee team produced released a live cd called livepython with all python tools | Sep 26 12:26 | |
| _goblin | but I think if the piracy question is going to be answered, it should be done by people with no financial interest in it.... | Sep 26 12:26 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: http://sites.google.com/site/sxsw2009torrent/ | Sep 26 12:26 |
| schestowitz | There is no "piracy" question | Sep 26 12:27 |
| schestowitz | Illegal coping/downloading | Sep 26 12:27 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: Did you see my link? | Sep 26 12:27 |
| schestowitz | COpyright violation as it stands, being the law | Sep 26 12:27 |
| _goblin | Roy, that link....whats in that torrent...? | Sep 26 12:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] #inpycon #fossee First Scipy conference is announced. From dec 12-17 th in thiruvanathapuram | Sep 26 12:28 | |
| _goblin | indi music? | Sep 26 12:28 |
| schestowitz | Omar871: it's the whole "illuminai' conspiracy | Sep 26 12:28 |
| schestowitz | I don't take that seriously | Sep 26 12:28 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: You won't loose anything if you watch it. :) | Sep 26 12:29 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: Trust me, give this documentary a chance. | Sep 26 12:30 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: If not for the "Illuminati" thing, at least for so many other frightening truths. | Sep 26 12:30 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] #inpycon #fossee first scipy conf in india is announced. From december 12-17th in thiruvanathapuram | Sep 26 12:32 | |
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| phIRCe | Title: geeknic.org .::. Size~: 53.76 KB | Sep 26 12:32 |
| _Hicham_ | senior oiaohm : good morning | Sep 26 12:32 |
| oiaohm | Hi _Hicham_ | Sep 26 12:32 |
| oiaohm | Its a good night here so far | Sep 26 12:32 |
| schestowitz | The oiaohm fan club is here | Sep 26 12:33 |
| schestowitz | Omar871: I saw part 1, thanks. | Sep 26 12:33 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: welcome. | Sep 26 12:34 |
| _Hicham_ | and schestowitz fan club too | Sep 26 12:34 |
| _Hicham_ | viva schestowitz | Sep 26 12:34 |
| _Hicham_ | السلام على الأخ عمر و رحمة الله تعالى و بركاته | Sep 26 12:34 |
| Omar871 | _Hicham_: و عليكم السلام و رحمة الله تعالى و بركاته | Sep 26 12:35 |
| _Hicham_ | twitter and twitter1 my friends | Sep 26 12:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] #inpycon #fossee @debayan proposed a outsourced and certification model for instead of depending on teachers and training | Sep 26 12:36 | |
| trmanco | I followed MinceR's suggestion, only people with their cloak added to the bot's array are allowed to control it | Sep 26 12:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] #inpycon pichai answers that fossee goal is to improve academic quality using python tools . Mhrd money isnot for outsourced certification, | Sep 26 12:39 | |
| oiaohm | Just remember either to add users alt user names with there cloak or remind users must login with correct user name trmanco | Sep 26 12:39 |
| schestowitz | The gnashing of teeth began shortly after this hit the forums. And Colleen O'Keefe, senior vice president of teleweb and operations for Novell's services group, jumped on the Novell forums with a post that tried to clarify, explaining that this change would not affect SUSE Linux products. These are distributed for free, given their open source nature, but they require a subscription already to get patches and updates other than the | Sep 26 12:39 |
| schestowitz | freebie security patches. | Sep 26 12:39 |
| schestowitz | O'Keefe added that the change in maintenance requirements did not apply to NetWare, to any products that have moved beyond "the general support phase of the product lifecycle," or to customers with ALA/SLA licenses in academia, who get all kinds of breaks from Novell. | Sep 26 12:39 |
| _goblin | Sorry Roy, AFK...the piracy question was meant in the sense of providing a solutions that benefits both fans and artists......although downloading isn't illegal in itself....its the sharing..... | Sep 26 12:39 |
| oiaohm | I have a few different handles trmanco. | Sep 26 12:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/09/25/novell_support_changes/ | Sep 26 12:40 |
| phIRCe | Title: Novell forces customers to pay for maintenance • Channel Register .::. Size~: 26.47 KB | Sep 26 12:40 |
| schestowitz | Novell messed up | Sep 26 12:40 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/25/lily_allen/ | Sep 26 12:40 |
| phIRCe | Title: Lily Allen incites mails • The Register .::. Size~: 26.81 KB | Sep 26 12:40 |
| schestowitz | Orlowski is trolling for the MAFIAA again | Sep 26 12:40 |
| trmanco | ok | Sep 26 12:40 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Fossee is not intented at python programmig teaching for cs . It is for supporting science education using python tools. #inpycon | Sep 26 12:41 | |
| Krenso | Hello | Sep 26 12:41 |
| ziggyfish_ | hello | Sep 26 12:41 |
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| Krenso | why ms is promoting .net implementation made by intel and not by novell? | Sep 26 12:42 |
| schestowitz | Rather: | Sep 26 12:44 |
| _Hicham_ | because intel is stronger than novell | Sep 26 12:44 |
| schestowitz | Why is Intel promoting XAML? | Sep 26 12:44 |
| schestowitz | That's obvious | Sep 26 12:44 |
| schestowitz | Intel helps Microsoft here | Sep 26 12:44 |
| schestowitz | As Novell did | Sep 26 12:45 |
| schestowitz | Intel has wide distribution channel | Sep 26 12:45 |
| schestowitz | They put their stuff in hardware products | Sep 26 12:45 |
| Krenso | i think intel's won't be cross-platform | Sep 26 12:46 |
| Krenso | intel's .net implementation won't be cross platform | Sep 26 12:46 |
| Krenso | only x86, so they can stop arm and others | Sep 26 12:47 |
| oiaohm | Intel also produces arm chips | Sep 26 12:47 |
| Krenso | but he doesn't want to compete with arm netbooks | Sep 26 12:47 |
| oiaohm | Arm is a design company. They don't produce chips themselves. | Sep 26 12:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/09/23/Bye-Matsue | Sep 26 12:48 |
| phIRCe | Title: ongoing · 島根 September — Canal Farewell .::. Size~: 6.83 KB | Sep 26 12:48 |
| oiaohm | So they don't really compete with Intel. | Sep 26 12:48 |
| oiaohm | Intel is one of the production companies that produce arm chips. | Sep 26 12:48 |
| schestowitz | Freescale | Sep 26 12:48 |
| schestowitz | Krenso: good point | Sep 26 12:49 |
| ziggyfish_ | I love some of those patents that microsoft released | Sep 26 12:49 |
| schestowitz | But Silver Lie hardly gets used anyway | Sep 26 12:49 |
| schestowitz | Not on phones and stuff | Sep 26 12:49 |
| ziggyfish_ | Virtual Address Translation - in the 386 | Sep 26 12:50 |
| schestowitz | http://ostatic.com/blog/the-first-moblin-version-2-netbook-comes-from-dell | Sep 26 12:50 |
| phIRCe | Title: The First Moblin Version 2 Netbook Comes From Dell .::. Size~: 37.24 KB | Sep 26 12:50 |
| oiaohm | Intel XScale chips are arm. | Sep 26 12:50 |
| trmanco | Uptime: 1 days, 1 hours and 31 minutes | Sep 26 12:50 |
| trmanco | konversation is great | Sep 26 12:51 |
| schestowitz | It never crashed on me | Sep 26 12:51 |
| trmanco | these built in commands are a good idea | Sep 26 12:51 |
| trmanco | same here | Sep 26 12:51 |
| schestowitz | And it's an alpha | Sep 26 12:51 |
| trmanco | what has crashed on me though was kopete | Sep 26 12:51 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb told me to use it | Sep 26 12:51 |
| trmanco | I think it has a built in tinyurl | Sep 26 12:53 |
| oiaohm | Really I like arm64 bit chips over x86 base onces. | Sep 26 12:53 |
| trmanco | http://tinyurl.com/y9fenao | Sep 26 12:53 |
| trmanco | yes | Sep 26 12:53 |
| phIRCe | Title: The First Moblin Version 2 Netbook Comes From Dell .::. Size~: 37.26 KB | Sep 26 12:53 |
| oiaohm | arm64 includes a nice commands to switch between 32 64 an 16 bit bytecodes and processing on fly without having to context switch. | Sep 26 12:54 |
| trmanco | Beer load [ \ ] 20% | Sep 26 12:54 |
| trmanco | LOL | Sep 26 12:54 |
| Krenso | With 2 Ghz arms coming (maybe 2 cores) and four times more energy efficient (read somewhere) | Sep 26 12:54 |
| oiaohm | 2Ghz with 8 core dia designs exist for arm Krenso | Sep 26 12:55 |
| oiaohm | Currently being looked at for server rooms. | Sep 26 12:55 |
| oiaohm | arm chips are insane at just sipping power. | Sep 26 12:56 |
| trmanco | http://websvn.kde.org/branches/extragear/kde3/network/konversation/scripts/tinyurl?view=markup | Sep 26 12:56 |
| phIRCe | Title: [KDE] Contents of /branches/extragear/kde3/network/konversation/scripts/tinyurl .::. Size~: 7.98 KB | Sep 26 12:56 |
| oiaohm | Mostly because sections of cpu not need to process current machine code instruction get powered off. | Sep 26 12:57 |
| vcent | oiaohm, that is why they will be so good in server farms, and "on demand" computing. | Sep 26 12:57 |
| oiaohm | x86 chips are screwed up design. | Sep 26 12:57 |
| oiaohm | these days. | Sep 26 12:57 |
| schestowitz | # Licensed under GPL v2 or later at your option | Sep 26 12:57 |
| oiaohm | They have a instruction process that takes the x86 code and covert into a internal risc based instruction set. | Sep 26 12:58 |
| oiaohm | Yep bloat in the cpu design. | Sep 26 12:58 |
| trmanco | I wonder if they will accept an adapted version | Sep 26 12:58 |
| trmanco | for is.gd | Sep 26 12:58 |
| trmanco | tinyurl is getting old | Sep 26 12:58 |
| oiaohm | Most likely trmanco | Sep 26 12:59 |
| oiaohm | Most people did not get Linus call to arms over bloat. In 2.6.32 monitoring will appear that can tell you exactly where all the cpu time went. | Sep 26 13:00 |
| oiaohm | So a bloat hunt can begin. | Sep 26 13:00 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: You might wanna watch the second part too. It has a scene from one of George Carlin's shows. | Sep 26 13:02 |
| trmanco | tinyurl is getting old | Sep 26 13:05 |
| trmanco | meh | Sep 26 13:05 |
| Omar871 | trmanco: Is there better alternative to TinyURL? | Sep 26 13:06 |
| trmanco | many | Sep 26 13:06 |
| Omar871 | trmanco: Such as/ | Sep 26 13:06 |
| Omar871 | ? | Sep 26 13:06 |
| trmanco | is.gd | Sep 26 13:06 |
| trmanco | It won't work | Sep 26 13:08 |
| Omar871 | What won't work? | Sep 26 13:08 |
| trmanco | my adapted version of the tinyurl script | Sep 26 13:08 |
| _Hicham_ | this channel is pretty well monitored | Sep 26 13:10 |
| _Hicham_ | I didn't know that | Sep 26 13:11 |
| Omar871 | monitored? | Sep 26 13:11 |
| schestowitz | Omar871: I do right now | Sep 26 13:12 |
| schestowitz | Part 3 now | Sep 26 13:12 |
| schestowitz | IT's a mashup of stuff | Sep 26 13:12 |
| schestowitz | The Carlin stuff I've seen before | Sep 26 13:12 |
| schestowitz | Omar871: they poison it with Ike's "Fremason" BS | Sep 26 13:13 |
| schestowitz | *free | Sep 26 13:13 |
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| Omar871 | schestowitz: Don't listen a lot to Icke, 'coz he himself is a part of the same conspiracy he's trying to expose. | Sep 26 13:14 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: Just keep watching. :) | Sep 26 13:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Obsolete Microkernel Dooms Mac OS X to Lag Linux in Performance: http://is.gd/3GSWz | Sep 26 13:20 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Obsolete Microkernel Dooms Mac OS X to Lag Linux in Performance .::. Size~: 132.57 KB | Sep 26 13:20 |
| trmanco | this is old | Sep 26 13:21 |
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| trmanco | I wonder is this still applies | Sep 26 13:22 |
| Omar871 | What a cute bot this phIRCe is. :) | Sep 26 13:22 |
| trmanco | :) | Sep 26 13:23 |
| Omar871 | Is it written with Python? | Sep 26 13:23 |
| trmanco | no | Sep 26 13:23 |
| trmanco | php | Sep 26 13:24 |
| Omar871 | Oh, yeah. It's evident from its name. :) | Sep 26 13:24 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: see phoronix for benchmarks | Sep 26 13:25 |
| oiaohm | Linux kernel is slowly getting microkernel features. | Sep 26 13:25 |
| schestowitz | Omar871: prpaganda is everywhere | Sep 26 13:25 |
| schestowitz | The film too is propaganda | Sep 26 13:25 |
| schestowitz | Every nation has it | Sep 26 13:25 |
| schestowitz | The issue is, can population realise this? | Sep 26 13:25 |
| schestowitz | Too hard, there are incentives to pull people into it. It's the way it has always been,. | Sep 26 13:25 |
| oiaohm | People forget cuse and fuse in the Linux kernel are basically microkernel in design. | Sep 26 13:26 |
| Omar871 | True. But most of the propagandas around the world, in my opinion, are there to serve a much bigger and more frightening propaganda. | Sep 26 13:27 |
| trmanco | fuse? | Sep 26 13:27 |
| trmanco | I didn't know that | Sep 26 13:27 |
| oiaohm | Userspace filesystem drivers are fuse. | Sep 26 13:27 |
| oiaohm | cuse are userspace char drivers. | Sep 26 13:28 |
| Omar871 | Look at how media companies around the planet, not just in the US use women as a tool to market their products, for example. | Sep 26 13:28 |
| oiaohm | Then the network stack of Linux supports userspace drivers in there as well. | Sep 26 13:28 |
| schestowitz | People should be indocrinated into understanding inxdocrination :-) :-) :-) | Sep 26 13:28 |
| schestowitz | Then they'll become more resistant to it | Sep 26 13:28 |
| oiaohm | Basically block devices of Linux are the last major hold out to Linux being heavly able to operate as a microkernel. | Sep 26 13:29 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Nate Silver busts Strategic Visions http://is.gd/3GTKo | Sep 26 13:29 | |
| phIRCe | Title: FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: Strategic Vision Polls Exhibit Unusual Patterns, Possibly Indicating Fraud .::. Size~: 428.18 KB | Sep 26 13:29 |
| Omar871 | Also, look at how people are becoming more and more materialistic each and every single day. | Sep 26 13:29 |
| oiaohm | Linux these days is part way between monolithic and microkernel. | Sep 26 13:29 |
| oiaohm | Seams to be the best location really. | Sep 26 13:30 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: This documentary can be considered as a counter-propaganda. | Sep 26 13:30 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: Just like anti-biotic medications. A bacteria to fight bacteria. | Sep 26 13:31 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: Another thing: Why do we keep finding ignorants like DaemonFC all around the internet, and even off the internet, yapping about Muslims being terrorists and should be killed, slaughtered, exterminated.. etc.? | Sep 26 13:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @kiruba: "We should join in conversations wherever they are happening rather than expect people to come to us" #BBC #cisUGC | Sep 26 13:35 | |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: Did you know that Arabs and Muslims are the most attacked and humiliated people in Hollywood and Disney movies. | Sep 26 13:36 |
| Omar871 | ? | Sep 26 13:36 |
| oiaohm | That changes over time Omar871 | Sep 26 13:36 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: That would never change over time unless people wake up to see the truth. | Sep 26 13:37 |
| MinceR | i think it's because that's what the most vocal muslims and arabs are like | Sep 26 13:38 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: Mass-Hypnosis. It's all around us Roy. Even MS, the most hated company in this channel, uses it evidently. | Sep 26 13:38 |
| MinceR | and otherwise the western world is mostly unfamiliar with both. | Sep 26 13:38 |
| Omar871 | Oh, I should've directed that to you oiaohm, sorry. :) | Sep 26 13:38 |
| oiaohm | Go threw Hollywood history. | Sep 26 13:39 |
| oiaohm | At one point people with black skin were picked on. | Sep 26 13:39 |
| oiaohm | They would not dream of doing that today. | Sep 26 13:39 |
| Omar871 | MinceR: True. It's like an empty cup. If you don't fill it with something good. Other people can easily fill it with poison. | Sep 26 13:40 |
| oiaohm | Type casting unfortunally makes script writing simple. | Sep 26 13:40 |
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| Omar871 | oiaohm: Oh, regarding the "Black and White thing", I still don't believe that the discrimination against black is over today, | Sep 26 13:41 |
| oiaohm | Black and white is not 100 percent over that is right. | Sep 26 13:42 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: For example, the KKK clan is still there. Although very few are listening to them, there are still people who follow them nevertheless. | Sep 26 13:42 |
| oiaohm | I was refering to the level of discrimination in the media Omar871 | Sep 26 13:42 |
| oiaohm | In time someone else will be found to be picked on and the Muslims and Arabs will be left alone again. | Sep 26 13:43 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Until today, discrimination agains Arabs and Muslims is very evident. | Sep 26 13:43 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Listen to comedians like Carlos Mecia and Jeff Dunham for example. | Sep 26 13:43 |
| Omar871 | Mencia* | Sep 26 13:43 |
| oiaohm | Basically human nature we have to pick on some else to make us fell more powerful. | Sep 26 13:43 |
| oiaohm | Its a sad world really. | Sep 26 13:44 |
| Omar871 | True. | Sep 26 13:44 |
| oiaohm | People in lots of mulsim countries rage against USA people. | Sep 26 13:44 |
| oiaohm | Also totally bias they are not all bad. | Sep 26 13:44 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: right. | Sep 26 13:44 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: But there is no propaganda again USA people from the Arab world. | Sep 26 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly true. | Sep 26 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Some reglious leaders in the Arab world spread it even that it is against there religion. | Sep 26 13:46 |
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| Omar871 | oiaohm: In fact, USA ppl get much better jobs in Arab countries that the original residents of that country. | Sep 26 13:46 |
| oiaohm | Depends on country that does. | Sep 26 13:46 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Why? Because they are followers of the American propaganda. | Sep 26 13:47 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Sep 26 13:47 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Not really. | Sep 26 13:47 |
| oiaohm | Lot of Australians work in arab countries as well. | Sep 26 13:47 |
| oiaohm | In higher jobs. | Sep 26 13:47 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Yes. | Sep 26 13:47 |
| oiaohm | Some of this is education issue. | Sep 26 13:47 |
| oiaohm | If people don't have the education they cannot do particular jobs. | Sep 26 13:48 |
| oiaohm | Sad part is some of the poor education problem comes from propaganda base schools teaching only the Muslim holy documents. | Sep 26 13:49 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: For example my father used to work in Aramco(Saudi Arabia) as a Math teacher for about 12000 Rayals/month, and his mate, and American Physical Instructor, use to take abore 32000 Rayals/month! | Sep 26 13:49 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Also, my cousin used to work as Math teacher in a school (She's got a masters degree in Math) for about 2500 Rayals. | Sep 26 13:50 |
| oiaohm | So sport was more important that maths no wonder the place suxed. | Sep 26 13:51 |
| oiaohm | For getting people at times. | Sep 26 13:51 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Here mate, a Muslim American teacher used to take about 7000 Riyals even though she only had a highschool degree. | Sep 26 13:51 |
| oiaohm | Maths is an extermally important skill. | Sep 26 13:51 |
| Omar871 | Her* mate | Sep 26 13:51 |
| schestowitz | Omar871: agreed | Sep 26 13:51 |
| schestowitz | Just catching up with the above | Sep 26 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Hollywood is "indocrination for toddlers" :-) :-) | Sep 26 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Disney I mean | Sep 26 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Not Hollwood | Sep 26 13:52 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: Hollywood is indoctrination for adults. :) | Sep 26 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Not really Omar871 | Sep 26 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Hollywood is an unbrella | Sep 26 13:53 |
| schestowitz | diney also | Sep 26 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Disney | Sep 26 13:53 |
| schestowitz | But Hollywood is a bit of a symbol. It emcompasses west coast too | Sep 26 13:53 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Believe me. | Sep 26 13:53 |
| oiaohm | Adults have most of there treatment of other races set . | Sep 26 13:53 |
| oiaohm | From there childhood. | Sep 26 13:53 |
| schestowitz | East, west... but it's cultutal | Sep 26 13:53 |
| oiaohm | To change a Adults treatment of other races is extreamlly hard. | Sep 26 13:54 |
| oiaohm | You normally have to break them to build them back up to change it. | Sep 26 13:54 |
| oiaohm | Movies cannot change an Adult. | Sep 26 13:54 |
| schestowitz | Not just for races | Sep 26 13:54 |
| schestowitz | Classes, ages, etc. | Sep 26 13:54 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: True. But look at the adult-targeted movies and t.v shows like Indiana Jones and 24. | Sep 26 13:54 |
| schestowitz | It's embedded in the mind ata young age | Sep 26 13:54 |
| schestowitz | With determination it can be cleaned a bit | Sep 26 13:54 |
| schestowitz | Kids are a blank sheet, so it's easier | Sep 26 13:55 |
| oiaohm | rememmber 14 to 16 year olds will watch that Omar871 | Sep 26 13:55 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Movies can make sure the adult doesn't change. | Sep 26 13:55 |
| oiaohm | While brain is still not locked Omar871 | Sep 26 13:55 |
| oiaohm | No Omar871 | Sep 26 13:55 |
| oiaohm | Once the brain is locked at about 21 at the lasted. | Sep 26 13:55 |
| oiaohm | No matter the videos you show once its locked unless its targets to break them it will change nothing. | Sep 26 13:56 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: So, you do agree with me about the indoctrination issue, right? | Sep 26 13:56 |
| oiaohm | Like the blue eye expermint movies where you see people being picked on just for having blue eyes. | Sep 26 13:56 |
| oiaohm | That can crack some. | Sep 26 13:56 |
| oiaohm | Yes it takes extreams to even stand a chance of changing the mind set. | Sep 26 13:57 |
| oiaohm | indoctrination has happened for ever. | Sep 26 13:57 |
| oiaohm | Most religions do it. | Sep 26 13:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sxc.hu/photo/517545 | Sep 26 13:58 |
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| oiaohm | Buddhists is about the only religion that teachs tollerance of others truly in there indoctrination. | Sep 26 13:58 |
| oiaohm | Even that all religion books include it. | Sep 26 13:58 |
| oiaohm | Good Samaritan story every christian has normally been told. The most important bit. A Samaritan was neither christian, jew or any other liked religion but they did the right thing anyhow. | Sep 26 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Anyone here who is a christian who has heard the Good Samaritan story remember there religion leaders point out the fact that anyone christian or not could be a good samaritan. | Sep 26 14:02 |
| oiaohm | Tollerance issue has it roots in miss teaching of things Omar871 | Sep 26 14:03 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Might be true, but it's not the whole picture. | Sep 26 14:03 |
| oiaohm | It is really. | Sep 26 14:05 |
| oiaohm | All the minor errors stack up. | Sep 26 14:05 |
| oiaohm | They get embed in the writers so the movies come out wrong. | Sep 26 14:05 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Nope. :) | Sep 26 14:05 |
| oiaohm | Lot of the lack of tollerence to muslims dates to the Crusades | Sep 26 14:07 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: That's right. | Sep 26 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Heck they bend the religion at that time for killing the ones that did not follow christian. | Sep 26 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Even that killing is stricty forbin. | Sep 26 14:08 |
| oiaohm | Then that same bend got used to justify killing witches. | Sep 26 14:08 |
| oiaohm | Single error in teaching got used to kill lots and lots of people. | Sep 26 14:08 |
| oiaohm | The sad bit Muslims at the times of the Crusades embed the killing of non Muslims without mercy. | Sep 26 14:10 |
| oiaohm | That has also been abused many times over. | Sep 26 14:10 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Where did you get that information from? | Sep 26 14:10 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: About the Muslims during the crusades? | Sep 26 14:10 |
| oiaohm | There are documents from both sides of the crusades. | Sep 26 14:11 |
| oiaohm | With the battles between them. | Sep 26 14:11 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: How did you make sure these documents are correct? | Sep 26 14:11 |
| oiaohm | Note the killing of non Muslims without mercy was an order from a general. | Sep 26 14:12 |
| oiaohm | It was the valid move at one stage of the war. | Sep 26 14:12 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: For example, when Muslims used to take prisoners of war, they treated them like guests. No torture, no killing. did the same happen to Muslims who fell in the hands of the crusades? | Sep 26 14:13 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: What was the reason? | Sep 26 14:13 |
| oiaohm | To hold a city with low food reserves. | Sep 26 14:13 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Because those non-muslims were soldiers. | Sep 26 14:13 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: No. | Sep 26 14:14 |
| oiaohm | The person who did it was punshed hard. | Sep 26 14:14 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Which person? | Sep 26 14:15 |
| oiaohm | the commander who ordered it. | Sep 26 14:15 |
| Omar871 | The Muslim commander? | Sep 26 14:15 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Sep 26 14:15 |
| oiaohm | What should be a war crime. | Sep 26 14:15 |
| Omar871 | What was the order again? | Sep 26 14:15 |
| oiaohm | Is used by some of the raditals to justify monderday bombings. | Sep 26 14:15 |
| oiaohm | Yes how miss teaching sneeks in. | Sep 26 14:16 |
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| oiaohm | Something that was wrong gets used to justify even more wrong. | Sep 26 14:16 |
| Omar871 | That's right. | Sep 26 14:16 |
| oiaohm | When you know the history of where all the problems are coming from its really sad. | Sep 26 14:17 |
| Omar871 | And by the way, the Illuminati thing is real. | Sep 26 14:19 |
| oiaohm | It is really simple as a proper muslim or christians not to see how the raditicals come into existing. | Sep 26 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly the Illuminati is not exactly real. | Sep 26 14:19 |
| Omar871 | It's not only embedded not only on the Dollor paper. | Sep 26 14:19 |
| oiaohm | The Illuminati groups are the biggest theifs of symbols. | Sep 26 14:20 |
| Omar871 | You can find in so many unexpected places. | Sep 26 14:20 |
| Omar871 | You can even find it in the Church. | Sep 26 14:20 |
| oiaohm | Lets make our selfs appear powerful by using long forgoten symbols. | Sep 26 14:20 |
| Omar871 | Dollar* | Sep 26 14:20 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: I don't think so. | Sep 26 14:20 |
| oiaohm | Sorry to say lot of the symbols in Churchs that people call Illuminta are older. | Sep 26 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Like the eye or ra. | Sep 26 14:21 |
| oiaohm | of ra | Sep 26 14:21 |
| oiaohm | At one point all approved religions in egypt had to have that on wall. | Sep 26 14:21 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Unless they believe and are dedicated to the origins of those symbols, they won't use them. They're not that stupid. | Sep 26 14:21 |
| Omar871 | That's right. | Sep 26 14:22 |
| oiaohm | Of course after egypt kings are no more. | Sep 26 14:22 |
| Omar871 | are no more? | Sep 26 14:22 |
| oiaohm | People forget what the symbol was for a long time. | Sep 26 14:22 |
| oiaohm | So groups that people call the Illimuna started using it to give them fake historic power. | Sep 26 14:23 |
| Omar871 | Why do you find it in the Dumbo (the elephant) movie? | Sep 26 14:23 |
| Omar871 | What is it doing on the back of Maddona's jacket? | Sep 26 14:23 |
| Omar871 | Madonna* | Sep 26 14:23 |
| oiaohm | Eye of ra was also common used as a status symbol. | Sep 26 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Or for showing having the power to see the future by fortune tellers ie being all seeing. | Sep 26 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Note use by fortune tellers is old. | Sep 26 14:25 |
| oiaohm | Lot of use of the eye or ra is not Illuminati. | Sep 26 14:25 |
| Omar871 | Ok, and what is the star of David doing on the Dollar paper? (above the eagle). | Sep 26 14:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Acho que vou fazer uma wiki no open mania | Sep 26 14:26 | |
| oiaohm | That is always an interesting one Omar871 | Sep 26 14:27 |
| oiaohm | Star of David was used around early christian as well. | Sep 26 14:27 |
| Omar871 | Judaism is way older than Christianity, afaik. :) | Sep 26 14:28 |
| oiaohm | You find it in russian and greek autherdox churches. | Sep 26 14:28 |
| oiaohm | Because the family of David link straight to the christian story. | Sep 26 14:29 |
| twitter1 | belief in paper money is a matter of faith, you had better load it with as many ancient and mysterious symbols as you can | Sep 26 14:29 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: I can never understand how that can be a coincidence. | Sep 26 14:29 |
| oiaohm | Its not pure coincidence | Sep 26 14:30 |
| oiaohm | As twitter said money has a habit of containing symbols people creating the money think are either interesting or important. | Sep 26 14:31 |
| oiaohm | Like we could make a big deal that USA money contains arab numbers. | Sep 26 14:32 |
| Omar871 | LOL | Sep 26 14:32 |
| Omar871 | Of course it does. | Sep 26 14:32 |
| oiaohm | Now is that a coincidence as well. | Sep 26 14:32 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: The numbers you use everyday are Arab numbers. Whereas the ones we use are Indians. | Sep 26 14:33 |
| Omar871 | "1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8.." ---> Arab numbers, that you can find in very ancient scripts that belong to ancient Arab and Muslim scientists. | Sep 26 14:34 |
| vcent | it's not the star of david on the dollar bill it's the seal of solomon | Sep 26 14:35 |
| Omar871 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numerals | Sep 26 14:36 |
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| oiaohm | Now if you follow the Illuminati means of operation. You would wait for people to what the Arabic numerals mean. | Sep 26 14:36 |
| oiaohm | Then use the old documents to prove that you are prehistory. | Sep 26 14:36 |
| oiaohm | So making yourself appear powerful. | Sep 26 14:36 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: What? | Sep 26 14:36 |
| oiaohm | The seal of solomon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_of_Solomon Very interesting | Sep 26 14:38 |
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| oiaohm | Omar871: the Illuminati is not that old. | Sep 26 14:38 |
| oiaohm | We are talking something under 200 years old. | Sep 26 14:39 |
| oiaohm | That makes themselves appear older using old symbols. | Sep 26 14:39 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Can you provide some resources? | Sep 26 14:39 |
| oiaohm | If you want something old. | Sep 26 14:40 |
| oiaohm | Masons | Sep 26 14:40 |
| oiaohm | One of the first unions. | Sep 26 14:40 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: That's right. Masons came way before the Illuminati. | Sep 26 14:42 |
| oiaohm | May 1, 1776 << founding date of the first Illuminati Ok little off last time I was talking about this was in the 1990s. | Sep 26 14:42 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: However, the concept of the Illuminati is extremely old. | Sep 26 14:42 |
| oiaohm | No | Sep 26 14:42 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Yews | Sep 26 14:42 |
| Omar871 | Yes* | Sep 26 14:42 |
| oiaohm | Really it is not. | Sep 26 14:42 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Absolutely ys. | Sep 26 14:43 |
| Omar871 | yes. | Sep 26 14:43 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Absolutely it is. | Sep 26 14:43 |
| oiaohm | You are refering to cloud stories. | Sep 26 14:43 |
| oiaohm | I have not found one that has lived threw proper investation. | Sep 26 14:43 |
| oiaohm | Basically all Illuminati stories pre 1776 are normally a distort of history. | Sep 26 14:44 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: It's based on a group of people who consider themselves the elite, who take control of every aspect of the nation's life. From money, to religion, to media.. etc. | Sep 26 14:44 |
| oiaohm | You are refering to masons. | Sep 26 14:44 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: And the rest of the people are merely slaves of the system. | Sep 26 14:44 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: No | Sep 26 14:44 |
| oiaohm | Not Illuminati | Sep 26 14:44 |
| oiaohm | and other religions. | Sep 26 14:45 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: I'm referring to the illuminati. | Sep 26 14:45 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: And that concept has been around since the Pharoahs. | Sep 26 14:45 |
| oiaohm | Pre the illuminati that the illuminati tryed to link themselves to so to become powerful. | Sep 26 14:45 |
| oiaohm | Wrong. | Sep 26 14:45 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Right. | Sep 26 14:45 |
| oiaohm | In the time of the Pharoahs the Pharoahs was ablsote. | Sep 26 14:45 |
| oiaohm | There is no direct link between the illuminati and Pharoahs. | Sep 26 14:46 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: I'm not linking here. | Sep 26 14:46 |
| oiaohm | The masons had the seal of the Pharoahs | Sep 26 14:46 |
| oiaohm | and some churches. | Sep 26 14:47 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: I'm just saying, they are many different faces of one single coin. | Sep 26 14:47 |
| vcent | masons are christian | Sep 26 14:47 |
| Omar871 | vcent: Not really. | Sep 26 14:47 |
| oiaohm | You are joining up stories with different histories. | Sep 26 14:47 |
| vcent | they are required to memorise passages of the biblefor promotion | Sep 26 14:47 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: The history is one. | Sep 26 14:47 |
| oiaohm | The single coin argument is Illuminati arguement. | Sep 26 14:48 |
| oiaohm | Even that the Pharoahs are known to joke about the sun just being a symbol to them. | Sep 26 14:48 |
| oiaohm | You can tack a whole stack of histories to write any story you like. | Sep 26 14:49 |
| vcent | and all it is is a story | Sep 26 14:50 |
| oiaohm | If I joined the right stories toeghter I could say the native americains were in control of everything. | Sep 26 14:50 |
| oiaohm | Now is that telling correct history no. | Sep 26 14:50 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: That's impossible. | Sep 26 14:50 |
| oiaohm | Its abusing history for own ends. | Sep 26 14:50 |
| oiaohm | No its not Omar871 | Sep 26 14:51 |
| oiaohm | You just leave out a lot of key details. | Sep 26 14:51 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Actually I agree. | Sep 26 14:51 |
| oiaohm | When you start reading the complete histories you start finding problems. | Sep 26 14:51 |
| oiaohm | That kinda rip the Illuminati stories to bits. | Sep 26 14:52 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Many nations have deliberately mangled and manipulated history for shape the future for their own evil ambitions. | Sep 26 14:52 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Make your PolyDay party a success! http://bit.ly/Ev3GD | Sep 26 14:52 | |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: I totally agree. | Sep 26 14:52 |
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| oiaohm | Illuminati is just the most recent con job of history Omar871 | Sep 26 14:53 |
| oiaohm | That a lot of people believe absolutely. | Sep 26 14:53 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: True. | Sep 26 14:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Windows 7 party video snatches defeat from the jaws of victory http://notnews.today.com/?p=667 | Sep 26 14:53 | |
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| Omar871 | oiaohm: You can prove that the most Illumanti's are masons. | Sep 26 14:53 |
| oiaohm | No Omar871 | Sep 26 14:54 |
| oiaohm | That is another case of history bending. | Sep 26 14:54 |
| oiaohm | Masons were powerful. | Sep 26 14:54 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: You might also come to a conclusion that the history between your hands is a big huge lie. | Sep 26 14:54 |
| oiaohm | so we link selfs to important Masons | Sep 26 14:54 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: So are the Illuminati. | Sep 26 14:54 |
| oiaohm | So make ourselves important. | Sep 26 14:55 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Freemasons are still powerful until now. | Sep 26 14:55 |
| oiaohm | Exactly. | Sep 26 14:55 |
| oiaohm | Masons are the ones of interest. | Sep 26 14:55 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: George Washington himself was a Mason. | Sep 26 14:55 |
| oiaohm | Not the Illuminati. | Sep 26 14:55 |
| oiaohm | If anything the Illuminati is a destraction so people don't look at Masons. | Sep 26 14:56 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Yeah, maybe. | Sep 26 14:56 |
| oiaohm | Fake history is a nice way to hide. | Sep 26 14:56 |
| vcent | few if any are looking at the illumanti either. | Sep 26 14:56 |
| oiaohm | One of the bigest clue is some of not possiable illumanti was massons called illumanti who were dead before the illumanti movement formed. | Sep 26 14:57 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Maybe the Illuminati like a mask under which the Masons hide their true face. | Sep 26 14:57 |
| vcent | you cant fake history, it a fact if something happend it happend, everything else is a lie. | Sep 26 14:57 |
| twitter1 | so, vcent is always right | Sep 26 14:58 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Some resources also point to the British royal family as being the head of the Illuminati. | Sep 26 14:58 |
| twitter1 | ;-) | Sep 26 14:58 |
| vcent | no, history is always right, the reporting or recording of it might be a lie | Sep 26 14:58 |
| oiaohm | Omar871: Britch royal Family is german. | Sep 26 14:58 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: So? | Sep 26 14:58 |
| oiaohm | What chruch did they go to before being taken to england. | Sep 26 14:59 |
| Omar871 | vcent: Yes. That's what I said. The history we have at hand now is the lie. Not the actual history. | Sep 26 14:59 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: The Vatican? | Sep 26 14:59 |
| oiaohm | Greek Orthorx. Remember German and rome was at war at one point. | Sep 26 15:00 |
| oiaohm | So of course they have historic symbols of eygpt in places. | Sep 26 15:00 |
| oiaohm | This is the problem. All the link up of Illuminati is symbol based with symbols that are old that a lot of people got valid ways. | Sep 26 15:02 |
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| oiaohm | People forget the Britch royal family had to be replaced because they went genically insnae. | Sep 26 15:03 |
| oiaohm | And scary part my blood line is linked to that insane familly. | Sep 26 15:03 |
| twitter1 | mankind is insane -> oiaohm: And scary part my blood line is linked to that insane familly. | Sep 26 15:04 |
| Omar871 | Ok, I really need to run now. | Sep 26 15:04 |
| Omar871 | We'll talk l8er. :) | Sep 26 15:05 |
| Omar871 | Buh-bye. :D | Sep 26 15:05 |
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| twitter1 | ohm, emperor of Oceana | Sep 26 15:05 |
| oiaohm | Hopefully I am far enough removed. | Sep 26 15:06 |
| oiaohm | Sometimes it does not pay to know ones familly tree. | Sep 26 15:07 |
| oiaohm | twitter1: also the insane ones had a lot of sex out of marage. So lot of people will be releated to them. Mine is just formal. | Sep 26 15:08 |
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| Omar871 | oiaohm: Yeah, maybe. | Sep 26 14:14 |
| oiaohm | Fake history is a nice way to hide. | Sep 26 14:14 |
| vcent | few if any are looking at the illumanti either. | Sep 26 14:14 |
| oiaohm | One of the bigest clue is some of not possiable illumanti was massons called illumanti who were dead before the illumanti movement formed. | Sep 26 14:15 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Maybe the Illuminati like a mask under which the Masons hide their true face. | Sep 26 14:15 |
| vcent | you cant fake history, it a fact if something happend it happend, everything else is a lie. | Sep 26 14:15 |
| twitter1 | so, vcent is always right | Sep 26 14:16 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Some resources also point to the British royal family as being the head of the Illuminati. | Sep 26 14:16 |
| twitter1 | ;-) | Sep 26 14:16 |
| vcent | no, history is always right, the reporting or recording of it might be a lie | Sep 26 14:16 |
| oiaohm | Omar871: Britch royal Family is german. | Sep 26 14:16 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: So? | Sep 26 14:16 |
| oiaohm | What chruch did they go to before being taken to england. | Sep 26 14:17 |
| Omar871 | vcent: Yes. That's what I said. The history we have at hand now is the lie. Not the actual history. | Sep 26 14:17 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: The Vatican? | Sep 26 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Greek Orthorx. Remember German and rome was at war at one point. | Sep 26 14:18 |
| oiaohm | So of course they have historic symbols of eygpt in places. | Sep 26 14:19 |
| oiaohm | This is the problem. All the link up of Illuminati is symbol based with symbols that are old that a lot of people got valid ways. | Sep 26 14:20 |
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| oiaohm | People forget the Britch royal family had to be replaced because they went genically insnae. | Sep 26 14:21 |
| oiaohm | And scary part my blood line is linked to that insane familly. | Sep 26 14:21 |
| twitter1 | mankind is insane -> oiaohm: And scary part my blood line is linked to that insane familly. | Sep 26 14:22 |
| Omar871 | Ok, I really need to run now. | Sep 26 14:23 |
| Omar871 | We'll talk l8er. :) | Sep 26 14:23 |
| Omar871 | Buh-bye. :D | Sep 26 14:23 |
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| twitter1 | ohm, emperor of Oceana | Sep 26 14:23 |
| oiaohm | Hopefully I am far enough removed. | Sep 26 14:25 |
| oiaohm | Sometimes it does not pay to know ones familly tree. | Sep 26 14:25 |
| oiaohm | twitter1: also the insane ones had a lot of sex out of marage. So lot of people will be releated to them. Mine is just formal. | Sep 26 14:26 |
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| roy_ | [15:22] <schestowitz> oiaohm: is that related to their breeding experiments? | Sep 26 14:42 |
| roy_ | [15:22] <schestowitz> Or was that a long time later? | Sep 26 14:42 |
| oiaohm | Do you mean the royals maring royals leading to dna stuff up. | Sep 26 14:43 |
| oiaohm | If so yes Mine branches off just before the dna turned completely screwed. | Sep 26 14:43 |
| roy_ | They believed intellect was hereditary and they cross- or in-bred only t find high defect rates in birth. | Sep 26 14:44 |
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| oiaohm | My line is charles just before nuts MR henry the 8 | Sep 26 14:45 |
| oiaohm | There is only so many cross breads before you screw it completely. | Sep 26 14:46 |
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| twitter1 | screw it royally ? | Sep 26 14:47 |
| oiaohm | More than correct twitter1 | Sep 26 14:47 |
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| twitter1 | PR Watch got spun by NYT tobacco article. They wrongly assert that smokeless tobacco does not cause cancer and fail to mention some the obvious downsides of tobacco candy that should keep those products off the market. | Sep 26 15:51 |
| twitter1 | nicotine is toxic, so tobacco candy will kill people http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine#Toxicology | Sep 26 15:52 |
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| phIRCe | Title: Nicotine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 225.68 KB | Sep 26 15:52 |
| twitter1 | tobacco candy will pose a significant danger to children. infants will die of overdoses and school children will goad each other into the same. | Sep 26 15:53 |
| twitter1 | smokeless tobacco also transfers cancer risk to other regions. there may be less risk because you eliminate smoke but people who repeatedly insult themselves with insecticide still get cancer. | Sep 26 15:55 |
| twitter1 | oral tobacco leads to jaw and throat cancer, for example. | Sep 26 15:56 |
| *wallclimber has quit () | Sep 26 15:56 | |
| _Hicham_ | hi twitter1 my friend | Sep 26 15:57 |
| twitter1 | nicotine, like caffeine, is essentially an insecticide. | Sep 26 15:57 |
| twitter1 | hello _Hicham_ | Sep 26 15:57 |
| _Hicham_ | do u smoke twitter1? | Sep 26 15:57 |
| twitter1 | no | Sep 26 15:57 |
| twitter1 | I once did but quit | Sep 26 15:58 |
| twitter1 | it was very stupid of me | Sep 26 15:58 |
| twitter1 | did it as an undergraduate. | Sep 26 15:58 |
| amarsh04 | the best way to discourage the granddaughter from ever thinking of taking up smoking was to tell he that it would harm her singing | Sep 26 15:59 |
| twitter1 | so, I can tell you about nicotine addiction | Sep 26 15:59 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: negative marketing of sorts | Sep 26 16:00 |
| schestowitz | Association with bad images | Sep 26 16:00 |
| twitter1 | the best way to avoid smoking in children is to have it be completely foreign. like eating raw fish. | Sep 26 16:00 |
| twitter1 | out of sight, out of mind | Sep 26 16:00 |
| schestowitz | As a child there were these ads where cigarettes turn to worms that move | Sep 26 16:00 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : cigarettes ads must be banned | Sep 26 16:01 |
| twitter1 | agreed | Sep 26 16:01 |
| amarsh04 | yes, but at least more truthful than "smoking stunts your growth" | Sep 26 16:01 |
| amarsh04 | they are banned in .au | Sep 26 16:01 |
| twitter1 | all smoking ads are harmful, even those that discourage. they normalize the concept | Sep 26 16:01 |
| amarsh04 | and the you can't see cigarettes on sale except when they display pictures of clogged ateries, infected tarred lung tissue, gangrenous feet and the like | Sep 26 16:02 |
| twitter1 | children are not able to associate disease with themselves, so these ads do not have a deterrent effect on them | Sep 26 16:03 |
| schestowitz | What about smoking in films? | Sep 26 16:03 |
| schestowitz | How do the regulations vary? | Sep 26 16:03 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.computerworld.com/14803/hps_new_kind_of_sort_of_linux_support | Sep 26 16:04 |
| amarsh04 | but the granddaughter can remember seeing her great-grandmother (a smoker) with similar foot problems | Sep 26 16:04 |
| phIRCe | Title: HP's new--kind of, sort of--Linux support - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 138.91 KB | Sep 26 16:04 |
| twitter1 | stories are not something that should be regulated. advertisements are. | Sep 26 16:04 |
| schestowitz | Linux is DYING. http://www.bnamericas.com/news/technology/Red_Hat*s_Q2_net_profits_increase_37* (Red Hat's Q2 net profits increase 37%) | Sep 26 16:04 |
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| twitter1 | paying for placement of smoking ruins stories anyway | Sep 26 16:04 |
| amarsh04 | films are crazy, you'd think sexually transmitted diseases didn't happen | Sep 26 16:04 |
| schestowitz | twitter1: not stories | Sep 26 16:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] 4chan /v/: If Top Gear reviewed video games http://is.gd/3H5DH (NSFW advertising!!) | Sep 26 16:05 | |
| phIRCe | Title: 4chanarchive - /v/ - TopGear game reviewers .::. Size~: 189.42 KB | Sep 26 16:05 |
| schestowitz | Just placements of heroic figures smoking | Sep 26 16:05 |
| twitter1 | films are stories | Sep 26 16:05 |
| schestowitz | Like ordering "Coke" | Sep 26 16:05 |
| schestowitz | twitter1: fictional sometimes | Sep 26 16:05 |
| twitter1 | that's product placement advertising and it is something that can be regulated | Sep 26 16:06 |
| schestowitz | OK, right.. | Sep 26 16:06 |
| schestowitz | http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2009/09/michael_moores_new_movie_was_b.html | Sep 26 16:07 |
| phIRCe | Title: Michael Moore’s New Movie Was Brought to You by Goldman Sachs -- Daily Intel .::. Size~: 58.22 KB | Sep 26 16:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | the food on your table was brought to you by goldman sachs | Sep 26 16:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/alice-korngold/leading-companies-good/goldman-sachs-cgi-investing-women-ldquohighest-return-inv | Sep 26 16:08 |
| phIRCe | Title: Goldman Sachs at CGI: Women Offer the "Highest ROI" | Leading Companies for Good | Fast Company .::. Size~: 43.86 KB | Sep 26 16:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/23/AR2009092304524.html | Sep 26 16:09 |
| phIRCe | Title: Local Business Digest: Carlyle Hires Goldman Adviser to Help Run Buyout Arm - washingtonpost.com .::. Size~: 90.63 KB | Sep 26 16:09 |
| schestowitz | "Carlyle Group, the world's second-largest private-equity firm, hired Gregory L. Summe from Goldman Sachs Group to help run its global buyout business." | Sep 26 16:09 |
| schestowitz | Carlyse->SCO->MSFT? | Sep 26 16:09 |
| schestowitz | Carlyle -- old news... old corruption | Sep 26 16:09 |
| amarsh04 | plenty of matches on Carlyle Group on groklaw.net's search | Sep 26 16:14 |
| schestowitz | This debate is not over yet (over sexism): http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-09-26-001-35-OP-CY | Sep 26 16:14 |
| phIRCe | Title: Linux Today - Editor's Note: Sexism and Other -isms Hold Back FOSS, part 2 .::. Size~: 98.37 KB | Sep 26 16:14 |
| schestowitz | I want out of it...... a lot of bits and byte flying in the wrong direction | Sep 26 16:14 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: http://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+Carlyle&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GB | Sep 26 16:15 |
| phIRCe | Title: site:boycottnovell.com Carlyle - Google Search .::. Size~: 23.41 KB | Sep 26 16:15 |
| amarsh04 | I haven't read the most recent talk-backs but it seemed like it was calming down... mainly in the spirit of not being deliberately obnoxious to others in FLOSS | Sep 26 16:16 |
| twitter1 | PRWatch takes comments but their spam filter is set high and they don't like the name "twitter" | Sep 26 16:19 |
| schestowitz | http://lwn.net/Articles/354308/ | Sep 26 16:19 |
| phIRCe | Title: Google shutting down independent Android image developers? [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 17.78 KB | Sep 26 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Do Know Evil? | Sep 26 16:19 |
| twitter1 | it seems that someone has registerd the name twitter | Sep 26 16:19 |
| twitter1 | this is triggered their spam filter -> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine#Toxicology">Nicotine is extremely toxic</a> (LD50 0.1 mg/kg) and not something that should be sold as candy. Children and infants will die of overdoses if tobacco candy is ever as prevalent as other forms of tobacco are. Smokeless tobacco also causes cancer. | Sep 26 16:20 |
| phIRCe | Title: Nicotine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 225.68 KB | Sep 26 16:20 |
| schestowitz | twitter1: I started reading PR Watch a year ago | Sep 26 16:20 |
| twitter1 | RMS has been pointing to it. | Sep 26 16:20 |
| twitter1 | good stuff there | Sep 26 16:20 |
| schestowitz | He reads it too | Sep 26 16:20 |
| schestowitz | But.. | Sep 26 16:20 |
| schestowitz | THe main site is SourceWatch | Sep 26 16:20 |
| schestowitz | PR Watch is the blog | Sep 26 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Of CMD | Sep 26 16:20 |
| twitter1 | right, good stuff | Sep 26 16:21 |
| schestowitz | Boycott Novell can hopefully make better use of the Wiki over time | Sep 26 16:21 |
| twitter1 | it will | Sep 26 16:21 |
| twitter1 | it's a matter of search. | Sep 26 16:21 |
| twitter1 | google will catch up to it if the built in search tools don't | Sep 26 16:22 |
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| _Hicham_ | TrollTech has come | Sep 26 16:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Some people work way too hard http://imgur.com/2mVJu.jpg | Sep 26 16:28 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Not a web page! Aborting... .::. Size~: Too big! | Sep 26 16:28 |
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| twitter1 | the sexism thing is one of those pots that M$ will hypocritically stir. the firm that brought us developers as pawns and one night stands does not waste much time inspecting itself for the same. | Sep 26 16:34 |
| twitter1 | and it is something they seek to pin on free software | Sep 26 16:34 |
| twitter1 | it's insane, of course. | Sep 26 16:34 |
| twitter1 | free software is one of the most accessible movements in history | Sep 26 16:35 |
| twitter1 | yet all they have to do is point to one or two blog posts and say, "see what a revolting bunch those people are" | Sep 26 16:36 |
| twitter1 | Yet we know, thanks to court produced documents and emails, that sexism is endemic and encouraged at Microsoft. | Sep 26 16:37 |
| twitter1 | that it is not expressed more frequently is only because the company is run like a prison camp, with all communications monitored | Sep 26 16:39 |
| wallclimber | are there documanted instances where MS reps said those things in public, at a conference for instance? (not arguing, just wondering) | Sep 26 16:39 |
| twitter1 | yes | Sep 26 16:39 |
| twitter1 | see the slog document, for example | Sep 26 16:39 |
| wallclimber | but the slog document was originally intended to be private, not public... | Sep 26 16:40 |
| twitter1 | it expresses their attitude | Sep 26 16:40 |
| twitter1 | http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aboycottnovell.com+%22white+picket+fence%22&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 | Sep 26 16:40 |
| phIRCe | Title: site:boycottnovell.com "white picket fence" - Google Search .::. Size~: 21.17 KB | Sep 26 16:40 |
| twitter1 | this how they treat themselves and others | Sep 26 16:41 |
| wallclimber | i understand what you are saying, i just think it would become a point if mentioned in comparison in an article. | Sep 26 16:41 |
| twitter1 | ? | Sep 26 16:41 |
| twitter1 | from the doc -> You’re going out with a girl, what you really want to do is have a deep, close and intimate relationship, at least for one night. And, you know, you just can’t let her feel like that, because if you do, it ain’t going to happen, right. So you have to talk long term and white picket fence and all these other wonderful things, or else you’re never going to get what you’re really looking for. | Sep 26 16:42 |
| wallclimber | sorry, it's hard to express thoughts clearly on IRC, i'm still not quite used to it yet... | Sep 26 16:42 |
| wallclimber | When i was reading your comments | Sep 26 16:42 |
| wallclimber | it occured to me that it might be a good article for Roy to | Sep 26 16:42 |
| twitter1 | he's done a couple of them about the RMS sexism nonsense | Sep 26 16:43 |
| twitter1 | it's better to let that die now | Sep 26 16:43 |
| wallclimber | compare the many ways that people are ill-treated by MS, and | Sep 26 16:43 |
| wallclimber | other companies | Sep 26 16:43 |
| wallclimber | I know he has, but this last bit of craziness seems to make a HUGE deal out of small comments... | Sep 26 16:44 |
| twitter1 | that's all the non free software people have left | Sep 26 16:44 |
| wallclimber | the comments may have been unfortunate ones, but they weren't as horrendously dis-respectful as the Slog comments were... | Sep 26 16:45 |
| wallclimber | but then i always try to think how things can be twisted | Sep 26 16:45 |
| twitter1 | I missed the latest attack. | Sep 26 16:45 |
| twitter1 | which are you referring to? | Sep 26 16:45 |
| twitter1 | linuxjournal did not come up for me | Sep 26 16:46 |
| wallclimber | and figured trolls would point out that at least MS doesn't do those things in public...so i wondered if they ever had... | Sep 26 16:46 |
| wallclimber | well, Mark Shuttleworth apparently made some sort of off-the-cuff remark that upset some people | Sep 26 16:46 |
| wallclimber | at a conference | Sep 26 16:47 |
| wallclimber | it got blown out of proportion, of course | Sep 26 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Hi, wallclimber | Sep 26 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Gosh, I hate having to do web development with vi | Sep 26 16:47 |
| wallclimber | good morning! | Sep 26 16:47 |
| schestowitz | fish:// mysteriously times out today, so I'm left with the CLI only | Sep 26 16:48 |
| twitter1 | correction, linuxtoday, not working for me. thanks for the summary | Sep 26 16:48 |
| amarsh04 | that's why I still run kde 3.5.X schestowitz... I like quanta too much | Sep 26 16:48 |
| schestowitz | Oh!! | Sep 26 16:48 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: good news | Sep 26 16:48 |
| schestowitz | Konversation is up to beta now | Sep 26 16:48 |
| schestowitz | So the marker line works | Sep 26 16:48 |
| amarsh04 | although some people run quanta under kde 4.3.X | Sep 26 16:48 |
| schestowitz | Our bug report | Sep 26 16:49 |
| twitter1 | thanks to ssh -X, it's easy to get the best of both 3.5 and 4.3 | Sep 26 16:49 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: I posted the link here a couple of days ago | Sep 26 16:49 |
| twitter1 | this laptop is going to stay 3.5 until I get the hang of 4.3 | Sep 26 16:50 |
| trmanco | the beta ain't in the ppa yet :( | Sep 26 16:50 |
| twitter1 | the 4.3 interface is beautiful. I wish that I had time to give it E16 type pagers | Sep 26 16:51 |
| schestowitz | I don't have x on the server | Sep 26 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to be going to the monthly Democrats meeting here in town and bring up this gun threat in our high school | Sep 26 16:52 |
| twitter1 | I have x on my "server" which happens to be my desktop.... | Sep 26 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like to press the mayor's incompetence in spending $50,000 of taxpayer money trying to defend those "bible trailers" at the expense of student safety | Sep 26 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | that could have bought quite a few metal detectors | Sep 26 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | (the mayor is a Republican) | Sep 26 16:53 |
| twitter1 | well, I have things to do today. bbl | Sep 26 16:54 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7542/ | Sep 26 16:54 |
| trmanco | wow, guns? | Sep 26 16:54 |
| _Hicham_ | that is the american dream | Sep 26 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | trmanco, That mayor is a moron | Sep 26 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | a total and complete fucktard | Sep 26 16:55 |
| trmanco | well, he may be, but, gun threat? | Sep 26 16:55 |
| trmanco | cmon | Sep 26 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | they found four guns in the lockers | Sep 26 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | after a hit list was found carved into the bathroom wall at a Big Lots store | Sep 26 16:55 |
| schestowitz | I've added more styling to the logs. Did some stuff in Python to add logo too.... | Sep 26 16:55 |
| trmanco | lol | Sep 26 16:55 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is a python master | Sep 26 16:55 |
| trmanco | sounds like a movie | Sep 26 16:55 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/irc-log-16082009.html | Sep 26 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | Tomorrow it'll have a button with logo at the top | Sep 26 16:56 |
| trmanco | no wonder Hollywood make some great shooting movies | Sep 26 16:56 |
| trmanco | what are bible traders? | Sep 26 16:57 |
| trmanco | trailers* | Sep 26 16:57 |
| schestowitz | Expecting to Fail < http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7543/ > | Sep 26 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | the church parked trailers outside the middle school | Sep 26 16:58 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Sep 26 16:58 |
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| trmanco | for what? | Sep 26 16:58 |
| trmanco | sell bibles? | Sep 26 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | and the school was dismissing children from real classes to go to a "bible class" in the trailers | Sep 26 16:58 |
| trmanco | ah, I see | Sep 26 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | a federal judge ordered them to stop | Sep 26 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | because they were violating the establishment clause of the US constitution | Sep 26 16:59 |
| _Hicham_ | so that they learn sthg useful | Sep 26 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | no | Sep 26 17:00 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC is the head of the local church | Sep 26 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | the establishment clause prevents the government of the United States or any state or local government from promoting any religion | Sep 26 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | rightfully so | Sep 26 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | state religions are oppressive and lead to really bad things | Sep 26 17:01 |
| _Hicham_ | but America is christian | Sep 26 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | no | Sep 26 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | America has no official religion | Sep 26 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | the government is secular per the constitution | Sep 26 17:01 |
| _Hicham_ | why do u use the bible to swear in the congress ? | Sep 26 17:02 |
| _Hicham_ | ? | Sep 26 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | you don't have to | Sep 26 17:02 |
| _Hicham_ | isn't that anti-constitutional | Sep 26 17:02 |
| _Hicham_ | u do have to | Sep 26 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | and "so help me God " is not a part of any oath of office | Sep 26 17:02 |
| _Hicham_ | all congress members should swear using the bible | Sep 26 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | that can optionally be added by the person being sworn in | Sep 26 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, no they don't | Sep 26 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | Keith Ellison used Thomas Jefferson's Qur'an | Sep 26 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | some senators being sworn in have done it on a bound copy of the US constitution | Sep 26 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | there is no requirement of the Christian bible or swearing an oath to the Christian god | Sep 26 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | or any god | Sep 26 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | there cannot be any religious tests as a precondition of holding public office either | Sep 26 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | unconstitutional | Sep 26 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, One of the institutions that the founders of the United States wanted rid of was the Church of England | Sep 26 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | they were afraid that if they didn't constitutionally outlaw state religion, the same thing would happen here | Sep 26 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | the other major institution they wanted rid of was the Bank of England | Sep 26 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | which we ended up getting the Federal Reserve which will ruin us the same way the Bank of England ruined them | Sep 26 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | once a government turns over its sovereign right to control its money system to a third party, all hell is guaranteed to break loose | Sep 26 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | they have to go beg the banks to finance pretty much everything they do | Sep 26 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | you end up with unelected bank officials setting the economic policies of the whole country | Sep 26 17:10 |
| vcent | more probably another government, gthat the US owes all it's money too | Sep 26 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | vcent, What typically happens when a government becomes insolvent is that another government sets up there, declares all the debts of its predecessor void, and starts over | Sep 26 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | if that happens to the US, it will mean a worldwide crash, China will be one of the hardest hit | Sep 26 17:11 |
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| vcent | The US though is a "cut tax, and spend and borrow to do it " you can only do that to buy votes for so long then the system will collapse | Sep 26 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | vcent, George W. Bush has been the very worst offender | Sep 26 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | in decades | Sep 26 17:13 |
| vcent | agreed. | Sep 26 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | $2 trillion on Iraq alone | Sep 26 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | and he's giving tax cuts to rich people that don't even need them, right and left | Sep 26 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | one of the reasons I voted for Obama is cause he said he'd work to repeal that | Sep 26 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | and so far he's not done anything other than say "Well, I may let them expire in 2010" | Sep 26 17:14 |
| vcent | yes, I hope he got the nads to cut tax, and cut spending, try to wipe a bit off that 10 trillian defecit he inherited. | Sep 26 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | that's like saying "I'll just let us bleed so those assholes can get tens of thousands of dollars in tax breaks and buy another yacht" | Sep 26 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | he needs to cut them now | Sep 26 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | end these gimmick "tax breaks" for those who need them the least | Sep 26 17:16 |
| vcent | He'll wait until his second term to do the really hard things. | Sep 26 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | every study I've seen says that would pay for most of a national healthcare system by itself | Sep 26 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | just taxing the rich at 38% instead of 35% | Sep 26 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | he needs to be bold now, that's what the people elected him to do | Sep 26 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | if he doesn't, he may not get a second term | Sep 26 17:17 |
| vcent | he has to be bold enough to satify the likes of your who elected him to be bold, but not too bold that you upsets the Middle/Upper too much for his support next election | Sep 26 17:18 |
| vcent | Pollies think in terms of "terms". | Sep 26 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | I'd consider him a failure if he doesn't do most of these things in his first term. Repeal the Bush tax cuts on the rich, pass a comprehensive health reform bill, sign the Employee Free Choice Act into law, pull out of Iraq | Sep 26 17:19 |
| vcent | gitmo should be history by now for example. | Sep 26 17:19 |
| *_Hicham_ has quit ("Leaving") | Sep 26 17:19 | |
| vcent | yes, I agree, he needs and is in the position to be great, or a real loser. | Sep 26 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | well, to be honest it never should have been there at all and good luck getting rid of it now | Sep 26 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | they have some very wicked people being warehoused there and the idiots of the Bush administration torpedoed their cases against many of them | Sep 26 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | they should have tried them in the civilian court system from the beginning | Sep 26 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | let a jury of peers hear their case just like anyone else accused of a crime | Sep 26 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | these military tribunals could never be considered legitimate | Sep 26 17:22 |
| vcent | that would have been fair and constitutional, thats why bush wormed around it | Sep 26 17:23 |
| vcent | or tried too. | Sep 26 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | actually, nothing we do no matter how fair it is would ever be seen as legitimate by some people who are bound determined to hate the United States and trump up reasons to justify their hatred | Sep 26 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | but we don't have to make it so easy for them | Sep 26 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | but if they didn't think they had enough evidence to send it to a jury trial in the United States, they should have turned those people loose in the country they found them in | Sep 26 17:24 |
| vcent | yes, | Sep 26 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | they could have held them for say, a week, and gathered evidence | Sep 26 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | and there would be no "Where do we send them now?" mess | Sep 26 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | if they end up in a local militia later and start shooting at us, shoot them | Sep 26 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | they had their chance | Sep 26 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | there's already thousands of militia or more in places like Afghanistan, one or two more won't make a difference so I don't buy that line | Sep 26 17:26 |
| vcent | alot were complety innocent but were pickup because there was a bounty paid for the amount you caught, so the just took people off the streets. | Sep 26 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | while they are in custody, fingerprint them if they're suspicious and put them on the immigration blacklist so they never get into the US | Sep 26 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | problem is solved for us at that point, right? | Sep 26 17:27 |
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| Krenso | Hello again | Sep 26 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | I've always supported some kind of tag and release type deal like fingerprinting | Sep 26 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | give the data to all the police and border patrol and customs checkpoints | Sep 26 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | still, they did good work on the Zazi case, I'll give them that | Sep 26 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder what Dickhead Cheney will say about that | Sep 26 17:30 |
| Krenso | gartner's man said that arm design is not good for netbooks, because dram is bottleneck and arm chips don't have big cache like intel's or amd's http://www.technewsworld.com/rsstory/68144.html | Sep 26 17:30 |
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| DaemonFC | they even got a real search warrant and still apprehended them in plenty of time | Sep 26 17:31 |
| Krenso | Maybe just apps need to be more optimized | Sep 26 17:31 |
| vcent | was it that Cheney guy who went on about "known knowns and unknown knows"? | Sep 26 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | the guy is an idiot | Sep 26 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | 9/11 was a failure for the Bushies | Sep 26 17:32 |
| vcent | the bushes were a failure for the US (all of em) | Sep 26 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | the FBI acting constitutionally, stopped Zazi and his guys from carrying out the bombing attack a few weeks ago in New York City | Sep 26 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | imagine that | Sep 26 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | that's what I meant, how will he criticize Obama and the FBI for stopping the terrorists? | Sep 26 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | He and Bush had the intelligence reports about what would happen 9/11/01 in August of that year | Sep 26 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | sat on them and let things happen | Sep 26 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | Bush was on vacation at his ranch and couldn't be bothered by a brewing national emergency | Sep 26 17:34 |
| vcent | Someone said (on telly) that Bush's legacy was that a second 9/11 did not happen on his watch, but they failed to mention that the first one did ! | Sep 26 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | splitting firewood while the report detailing what the terrorists would do sat on his desk | Sep 26 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if the 9/11 families are pissed off about that? | Sep 26 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | I would be if my parents were killed and the president knew it would happen a month in advance and was too busy vacationing | Sep 26 17:35 |
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| DaemonFC | well, 9/11/01 was not the first time the terrorists tried to blow up the WTC buildings | Sep 26 17:35 |
| vcent | I still cant help but think there is more too 911 than meets the eye, like why did the building's fall so controlled, and that building 7 just "falling down". ? (the cia building). | Sep 26 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | in 1993, they had a van full of explosives go off in the underground parking area | Sep 26 17:36 |
| vcent | I know I was there a year after the first one. | Sep 26 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | I agreed with that (joke) plan for a new set of towers there at that site | Sep 26 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | in the shape of a hand with the middle finger extended | Sep 26 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | pointing east | Sep 26 17:37 |
| vcent | it's not like the US has had the last laugh, by all accounts they won, | Sep 26 17:37 |
| vcent | they achieved what they set out to achieve, cause terror and fear. | Sep 26 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not afraid as such | Sep 26 17:38 |
| vcent | if you dont think they won, to go an airport and yell "Bomb". | Sep 26 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | probably not the smartest thing to do | Sep 26 17:39 |
| vcent | not the mention the libities and freedoms' you've given for the sake of "security". | Sep 26 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | vcent, I still say the answer is more guns | Sep 26 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | and more people trained on how to use them | Sep 26 17:40 |
| vcent | I dont think putting guns in the hands of 300 million americans is such a great idea :) | Sep 26 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | not all of them | Sep 26 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | people with criminal records or considerable mental illness shouldn't have them | Sep 26 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | children shouldn't have them | Sep 26 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | everyone else should be carrying a handgun | Sep 26 17:42 |
| vcent | ive used guns alot, and I only know one use for them. | Sep 26 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | vcent, There's two uses for a handgun | Sep 26 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | crime and shooting the bastard before he can commit the crime | Sep 26 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | say I'm in a gas station that's being robbed at gunpoint | Sep 26 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | without a handgun, I'm a potential victim at best | Sep 26 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | with a handgun I unload a few shots into the guy, he falls over dead | Sep 26 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | self defense | Sep 26 17:43 |
| vcent | so if you were shot dead for commiting the crime of pre-emptive justice, you would be ok with tha t? | Sep 26 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | no paperwork, few questions | Sep 26 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | just a dead bad guy | Sep 26 17:43 |
| _goblin | no, you would be dead. | Sep 26 17:44 |
| _goblin | I don't think being ok with anything would be the first thing on your mind. | Sep 26 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | _goblin, I'd shoot the guy | Sep 26 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | in that situation | Sep 26 17:44 |
| vcent | that will teach that kwiki-mart attendent short changing you. | Sep 26 17:44 |
| _goblin | I'd personally tell him to check his till....I think shooting him would be a little extreme | Sep 26 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | vcent, I said I'd shoot the thief that was pointing a gun at her head when I walked in the store | Sep 26 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | how is this scenario a bad thing? | Sep 26 17:45 |
| vcent | because it's a movie set and you did not know it, or it's an attendent training session, and you mis-read it. | Sep 26 17:46 |
| vcent | You just killed an innocent person who was trying to show people how to deal with a hold up. | Sep 26 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | I usually carry a Hi-Point .40 S&W on me | Sep 26 17:46 |
| _goblin | sorry, am I in the same dimension as you? | Sep 26 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | I think that could stop someone :) | Sep 26 17:46 |
| _goblin | this conversation doesnt seem to make sense...... | Sep 26 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | much better than the 9mm | Sep 26 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | I'd say about half again as much stopping power with only slightly more kick | Sep 26 17:47 |
| _goblin | I think I will go back to reading COLA.. | Sep 26 17:47 |
| vcent | military prefer the 9mm for it's stopping power | Sep 26 17:47 |
| vcent | and the same round goes into the F1 machine gun | Sep 26 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | vcent, Law enforcement is replacing their 9mm with the .40 S&W | Sep 26 17:48 |
| _goblin | I prefer the cerebral bore as featured in Turok Dino Hunter..... | Sep 26 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | it's just such a better handgun | Sep 26 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | shoot both and tell me which one you like better | Sep 26 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | I have a Hi-Point 9mm and I don't really like it | Sep 26 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | that's why I went to the .40 S&W | Sep 26 17:49 |
| vcent | Im guessing the S&W 38 is not a recoiless design, tha tis why it has more kick than a 9mm auto | Sep 26 17:49 |
| _goblin | Roy, has that channel changed to "Boycott Reality" or am I just being thick? | Sep 26 17:49 |
| _goblin | *this | Sep 26 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | _goblin, You're always thick | Sep 26 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | but we love you | Sep 26 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 26 17:50 |
| _goblin | vcent, who on earth are you talking to? | Sep 26 17:50 |
| vcent | :) try to keep up LOL | Sep 26 17:50 |
| _goblin | with what? | Sep 26 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | the 9mm is a toy compared to the .40 S&W | Sep 26 17:51 |
| _goblin | who are you talking to? | Sep 26 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | the 9mm is the next best thing to a pellet gun | Sep 26 17:51 |
| _goblin | you seem to be having a conversation with yourself. | Sep 26 17:51 |
| _goblin | ah hang on.... | Sep 26 17:51 |
| _goblin | you talking with Daemon? | Sep 26 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | you have to shoot someone 3 or 4 times to get them down, it gives them plenty of time to shoot you | Sep 26 17:51 |
| _goblin | if you are then that explains it....I have him on ignore. | Sep 26 17:51 |
| vcent | you have him on ignore ? | Sep 26 17:51 |
| vcent | :) | Sep 26 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | the 9mm carbine is fun to target shoot with | Sep 26 17:51 |
| _goblin | yeah | Sep 26 17:51 |
| _goblin | ah...... | Sep 26 17:52 |
| _goblin | it all comes clear.... | Sep 26 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | the handgun is useless | Sep 26 17:52 |
| vcent | all the same the purpose for guns, is to kill the thing you point it at, | Sep 26 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | you get no stopping power and really shitty accuracy | Sep 26 17:52 |
| vcent | It has a simple point and click interface. | Sep 26 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | well, you don't want the 9 mm then | Sep 26 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | the 9mm is to piss off the enemy | Sep 26 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | the .40 S&W is to kill the enemy :) | Sep 26 17:53 |
| vcent | Yes, 9mm was not the most accurate, but what do you expect from a short barrel | Sep 26 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | well, I suppose if you were close enough and got them just right it may kill in one or two shots | Sep 26 17:53 |
| vcent | but if you have a 9mm F1 who cares :) | Sep 26 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | I want something that will probably kill in one shot | Sep 26 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | my word vs a corpse | Sep 26 17:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Getting Started With Linux | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/yb97rjm | Sep 26 17:56 | |
| DaemonFC | "The Huntington County Community School Corporation spent over $50,000 to defend the unconstitutional bible trailers this year. With the gun threat of Friday at the high school, one has to wonder how many metal detectors that $50,000 would have bought. Does anyone care to ask the mayor?" | Sep 26 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | my letter to the editor of the local paper | Sep 26 18:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | goddamnit people piss me off | Sep 26 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to call the mayor on Monday | Sep 26 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | ask him about that and record it to upload to Youtube | Sep 26 18:05 |
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| Omar87 | Hi all. | Sep 26 18:05 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] true colour photo of Io http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap010715.html wow, a moon that really is made of cheese! | Sep 26 18:47 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] currently banging my head against sexist cluelessness on #ubuntu sounder. funnily enough, it was a previous case that first led me there. | Sep 26 19:00 | |
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| ThistleWeb | anyone wanna read through my latest blog post to see if it makes sense? I'm too close now to see confusion | Sep 26 19:12 |
| vcent | yes | Sep 26 19:14 |
| _goblin | Im really pleased, my latest blog article has had 308 independent IP hits in the last 6 hours...... | Sep 26 19:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | url | Sep 26 19:18 |
| _goblin | I think Tuxmachines has alot to do with it. | Sep 26 19:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: url | Sep 26 19:18 |
| _goblin | sorry, I thought you were talking to thistleweb.... | Sep 26 19:19 |
| _goblin | standby... | Sep 26 19:19 |
| _goblin | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/09/25/is-microsoft-saying-please-use-our-products-ms-pleads-for-support/ | Sep 26 19:19 |
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| _goblin | sorry no tinyurl | Sep 26 19:19 |
| *Diablo-D3 links | Sep 26 19:20 | |
| _goblin | and this one has had over 200....in the last 4 hourse | Sep 26 19:21 |
| _goblin | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/09/25/nintendo-emulation-w-linux-all-you-need-to-know-and-a-little-more/ | Sep 26 19:21 |
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| Diablo-D3 | lolol | Sep 26 19:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know who ported zsnes to linux, right? | Sep 26 19:22 |
| _goblin | yep....looking at you there.... | Sep 26 19:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | :D | Sep 26 19:22 |
| _goblin | If you would like to make some comments for the site....Id love to feature you. | Sep 26 19:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | naw, I quit zsnes dev shortly after I ported it | Sep 26 19:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | pagefault (the current head dev) really loves windows | Sep 26 19:23 |
| _goblin | we may disagree on some topics but in respect of your work in Zsnes you have my (and many of my collegues) eternal thanks. | Sep 26 19:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | and does everything he can to discredit the zsnes linux port, including committing code that makes it buggy | Sep 26 19:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | I quit like, eh, 5 years ago or something | Sep 26 19:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | the guy is a nutjob | Sep 26 19:24 |
| _goblin | ah....ever consider getting involved with Dolphin? | Sep 26 19:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | the SDL code path was meant to be used on windows too, btw | Sep 26 19:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | since SDL's 2D code with ddraw is much faster than pagefault's ddraw code | Sep 26 19:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: eh, not really | Sep 26 19:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wish people would quit writing C/C++/whatever altogether | Sep 26 19:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | you don't have to port things if you use java to begin wit | Sep 26 19:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | *with | Sep 26 19:25 |
| _goblin | I never really moved from 68k asm......I still try to recapture my youth every now and then, yet don't have the interest to complete a project.... | Sep 26 19:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | I used C for 15 years | Sep 26 19:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | I never want to use it again | Sep 26 19:26 |
| _goblin | I did dabble with Python in an attempt to get back into coding with a highlevel language...I'm still dablling although with 3 kids its challenging...... | Sep 26 19:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.twit.tv/floss88 | Sep 26 19:28 |
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| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: learn java. | Sep 26 19:30 |
| _goblin | if only I had the time.....! Unfortunately my only other experience is with Delphi..... | Sep 26 19:32 |
| _goblin | I was bought some Python books which I am going through slowly when time permits... | Sep 26 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Lars got me into GPL -- Linus | Sep 26 19:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.twit.tv/floss88 | Sep 26 19:35 |
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| schestowitz | FLOSS Weekly invited me for a show. I declined for now. | Sep 26 19:35 |
| Omar87 | _goblin: I'm trying to learn Python as well. | Sep 26 19:36 |
| schestowitz | I might change my mind | Sep 26 19:36 |
| Omar87 | _goblin: I've been desperately looking for Python ppl I can work with/ learn from. | Sep 26 19:36 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: On what? | Sep 26 19:37 |
| _goblin | I think Roy may remember when my Python project disrupted this channel and nackered by blog.... | Sep 26 19:37 |
| _goblin | Im interested in PyopenGL | Sep 26 19:37 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: sliverblight, eh? | Sep 26 19:39 |
| schestowitz | I thought I invented it | Sep 26 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Maybe simultaneous discoveries :-) | Sep 26 19:40 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: it didn't disrupt the channel | Sep 26 19:40 |
| schestowitz | That Linus interview had interestiing bits in it | Sep 26 19:40 |
| schestowitz | He was unprepared for it | Sep 26 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Done it in some hotel room of something | Sep 26 19:40 |
| schestowitz | And they asked about his past | Sep 26 19:41 |
| _goblin | Will mentioned Silverblight... | Sep 26 19:41 |
| schestowitz | New stuff he spoke about, which he at first fell uncomfortable about | Sep 26 19:41 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: yes, but the name goes a long way back | Sep 26 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Around 2006/7 | Sep 26 19:41 |
| _goblin | ah... | Sep 26 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Cause people told me it's Silver and Light which tends to sound good | Sep 26 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Shane told me (not Coyle) | Sep 26 19:41 |
| _goblin | I personally prefer Silversh*te | Sep 26 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Then I played with variations | Sep 26 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Now I go with Silver Lie | Sep 26 19:42 |
| schestowitz | It's gentle and it's true | Sep 26 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Silver Lie is a lie about cross-platform | Sep 26 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Maybe until now with Moblin | Sep 26 19:42 |
| vcent | silverfish | Sep 26 19:42 |
| schestowitz | That too | Sep 26 19:42 |
| schestowitz | I saw others calling it that in 2007, then repeated it for a while | Sep 26 19:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&q=schestowitz+silverfish&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Sep 26 19:43 |
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| vcent | slaverblight | Sep 26 19:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&c2coff=1&q=schestowitz+silverblight&aq=f&oq=&aqi= | Sep 26 19:43 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&q=silverblight&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Sep 26 19:43 |
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| schestowitz | Result #3 is BN | Sep 26 19:44 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Jacques Brel: The twenty-four greatest hits. http://is.gd/3HnQh http://is.gd/3HnVb | Sep 26 20:02 | |
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| schestowitz | Does anyone want to nominate BN? :-p http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2009/09/20/237832/it-blog-awards-2009-open-source.htm | Sep 26 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | http://networks.silicon.com/webwatch/0,39024667,39534330,00.htm | Sep 26 20:17 |
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| Diablo-D3 | hey _goblin | Sep 26 20:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | you should mention the nes used a 6502 | Sep 26 20:19 |
| _goblin | oops... | Sep 26 20:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats what it was, a custom slightly incompatible 6502 | Sep 26 20:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | which is extremely famous | Sep 26 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Dj Walker-Morgan made some mistakes... Open Source Speak is a new resource that (as its name denotes) deals with Open Source considerations of every type. On the site you can read information regarding enterprise open source applications, and more than 150,000 are currently featured. | Sep 26 20:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/forum/S-Re-AST-is-not-an-NPE/forum-113358/msg-14370497/read/ | Sep 26 20:20 |
| phIRCe | Title: Re: AST is not an NPE! | Patently Opaque - What were those 22 "op... | Open Source News Forums .::. Size~: 22.29 KB | Sep 26 20:20 |
| schestowitz | I doidn't know Heise even did comments | Sep 26 20:20 |
| _goblin | ...ill make some modifications to the post.... | Sep 26 20:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: get this, the snes was supposed to have backwards compat | Sep 26 20:20 |
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| _goblin | lol. | Sep 26 20:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: they chose the 65816 in the snes for a reason | Sep 26 20:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: you were supposed to be able to plug NES carts into it | Sep 26 20:20 |
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| Diablo-D3 | the snes video hardware can emulate nes video hardware using a thin software layer | Sep 26 20:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | and the spc700 is very powerful, so nes audio would be really easy | Sep 26 20:21 |
| _goblin | was it ever implimented via a homebrew package? | Sep 26 20:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | dunno | Sep 26 20:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | I do know someone wrote a C64 SID emulator for the spc700 though | Sep 26 20:22 |
| _goblin | Ive been impressed with the DS emu of snes titles.... | Sep 26 20:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | almost the entire emulation is ran on the spc700 | Sep 26 20:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: there isnt any | Sep 26 20:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | the DS cannot emulate the snes | Sep 26 20:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | it actually has enough hardware to do it... but the screen is too small. | Sep 26 20:23 |
| _goblin | I would beg to differ but Im gonna double check my facts. | Sep 26 20:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | all the snes games on the DS are ports | Sep 26 20:23 |
| _goblin | what about the GBA...didnt that have a snes emu? | Sep 26 20:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | nope | Sep 26 20:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | GBA ports required a lot of redoing | Sep 26 20:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | most GBA ports required new graphics | Sep 26 20:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | DS ports don't | Sep 26 20:24 |
| _goblin | here, found it.... | Sep 26 20:25 |
| _goblin | http://www.snemul.com/ds/?p=32 | Sep 26 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | I really lost a lot of interest in console games since Sega went under | Sep 26 20:25 |
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| _goblin | I believe that is what Ive seen running Snes rom files on DS | Sep 26 20:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: thats homebrew | Sep 26 20:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im talking commercial titles | Sep 26 20:25 |
| _goblin | ahh | Sep 26 20:25 |
| _goblin | sorry | Sep 26 20:25 |
| _goblin | I thought we were talking in general | Sep 26 20:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | the wii has a snes emulator officially, btw | Sep 26 20:25 |
| _goblin | never knew that either.... | Sep 26 20:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not perfect though | Sep 26 20:26 |
| _goblin | Nintendo are mad if they dont cash in on the retro craze, | Sep 26 20:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | and its not technically a full emulator | Sep 26 20:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | they _are_ cashing in on it | Sep 26 20:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | have you somehow ignored the wii store? | Sep 26 20:26 |
| _goblin | yep, but they never did before.... | Sep 26 20:26 |
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| Diablo-D3 | the wii was designed with that in mind. | Sep 26 20:26 |
| _goblin | and the WII store....no.... | Sep 26 20:26 |
| _goblin | I have little interest in gaming.... | Sep 26 20:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | the wii, for example, has a built in gamecube emulator | Sep 26 20:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | the gamecube has a fully 100% functional N64 emulator written by one of the emuscene guys | Sep 26 20:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | they hired someone who knew more about the n64 than they did to write their emu | Sep 26 20:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | its used on the gamecube zelda64 disc | Sep 26 20:27 |
| _goblin | official? | Sep 26 20:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | official | Sep 26 20:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | the gamecube zelda64 disc is hilarious | Sep 26 20:28 |
| _goblin | I think I'll make a followup post.... | Sep 26 20:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | it has the actual zelda64 rom on it as a file | Sep 26 20:28 |
| _goblin | lol... | Sep 26 20:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | you can replace the rom with almost any other n64 game as long as the emulator supports those features | Sep 26 20:28 |
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| Diablo-D3 | the first rom everyone changed it with: goldeneye | Sep 26 20:29 |
| _goblin | I think I have a vague memory of reading something about that..... | Sep 26 20:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | the only shitty part is you have to use a modified gamecube | Sep 26 20:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | and homebrew stuff on gamecubes is icky | Sep 26 20:29 |
| _goblin | Question: In your opinion if the N64 had been CD based like the PS1 do you think Nintendo would have grabbed the market from Sony? | Sep 26 20:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | your question implies things that aren't entirely true | Sep 26 20:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | the n64 was not a failure | Sep 26 20:30 |
| _goblin | oh I know... | Sep 26 20:30 |
| _goblin | it certainly was anything but.... | Sep 26 20:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | the playstation was fucked up anyhow | Sep 26 20:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know where it came from, right? | Sep 26 20:30 |
| _goblin | go on... | Sep 26 20:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | sony and nintendo co-produced the snes | Sep 26 20:31 |
| _goblin | that I didn't know... | Sep 26 20:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | ever see the funny slot on the bottom of super nintendos? | Sep 26 20:31 |
| _goblin | * casting mind back...... | Sep 26 20:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | both US and JPN snes had them | Sep 26 20:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | it looked like a snes cart plug but wasnt | Sep 26 20:31 |
| _goblin | ah yes | Sep 26 20:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | newer models removed it | Sep 26 20:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, it was to plug into expanded hardware | Sep 26 20:32 |
| _goblin | was it intended to sit ontop of a CD drive...? | Sep 26 20:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | it plugged right into the snes bus like carts did | Sep 26 20:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | yup. | Sep 26 20:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | sony actually had a fully done prototype of the snes cd | Sep 26 20:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | it expanded the snes's hardware like carts did too | Sep 26 20:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | (ie, superfx, etc etc) | Sep 26 20:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | nintendo, after seeing the horror of the sega cd, decided to ditch it | Sep 26 20:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | sony got pissed, so they replaced the super nintendo in the design | Sep 26 20:33 |
| _goblin | I think though, the restrictive storage capacity of the N64 cartidge was what prevented it being the definative console since in the time of PS1/N64 people were hungry for cut footage and media within their games.... | Sep 26 20:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | the spc700 in the snes was a sony chip, the spc1000 in the psx was the grandson of that chip | Sep 26 20:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | they took out the 65816 and replaced it with a MIPS solution that had two math units... | Sep 26 20:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | the second math unit played the role of the superfx chip on 3D titles, in that it ran all the math for the 3D calcs | Sep 26 20:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | the psx video hardware was just an advanced blitter, it didnt actually do any 3D work | Sep 26 20:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | it basically did no more than the snes video hardware did | Sep 26 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | the world's most violent religion makes threats against Germany now | Sep 26 20:36 |
| _goblin | I will have to use some of this in my Sony emu article.....! | Sep 26 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gb9Wk4oP-GwZCZnbBl76q4kwgJ6gD9AV62LO0 | Sep 26 20:36 |
| phIRCe | Title: The Associated Press: Merkel ignores Islamic threats before German vote .::. Size~: 18.83 KB | Sep 26 20:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | the psx is rather a piece of shit internally | Sep 26 20:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | its both brilliant and impossible to use effectively | Sep 26 20:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | the ps2 also inherited this design | Sep 26 20:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | the ps2 has no real 3D hardware | Sep 26 20:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | it's video hardware can blit really fast and do very basic polygon setup | Sep 26 20:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | all the special effects and anything beyond doing really really really basic 3D is done using software | Sep 26 20:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | the gpu and cpu have a very wide and fast bus between themselves due to this | Sep 26 20:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | the ps2 is actually uglier than the ps1 is | Sep 26 20:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | the ps3 AGAIN inherited this design | Sep 26 20:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | instead of having a mips with two math units (both the ps1 and ps2 have this), the ps3 has a cell | Sep 26 20:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | and the nvidia gpu the ps3 has _no one ever uses_ | Sep 26 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Asay and chums used RMS' word to slam FSF | Sep 26 20:39 |
| schestowitz | What a surprise... not | Sep 26 20:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | virtually all games use the nvidia gpu for polygon setup and boring 3D stuff and then copy stuff back and forth and run special effects on the cell's SPUs | Sep 26 20:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: but yeah, the n64 had no upper rom limit that would have caused problems | Sep 26 20:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: it was generally mismanagement of the hardware through developers that caused problems | Sep 26 20:40 |
| _goblin | Diablo-D3 - You know anything about DSP on some of the SNES titles? | Sep 26 20:40 |
| schestowitz | open source is for suckers... long live Free software. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10361785-16.html | Sep 26 20:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: yeah, why? | Sep 26 20:40 |
| phIRCe | Title: Free software is dead. Long live open source | The Open Road - CNET News .::. Size~: 163.52 KB | Sep 26 20:40 |
| MinceR | why feed asay with attention? | Sep 26 20:41 |
| _goblin | I was very interested in the dev of starfox... | Sep 26 20:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] angelic tech support http://jnievele.soup.io/post/29691406/Image HT @jnievle | Sep 26 20:41 | |
| _goblin | or starwing..... | Sep 26 20:41 |
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| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: btw, re n64, look at the last factor5 games | Sep 26 20:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: they showed off the n64's power very well, its more powerful than the ps1 was | Sep 26 20:41 |
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| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: but they had to use a custom microcode blob for the 3D hardware because nintendo was being a bunch of dicks about it | Sep 26 20:41 |
| _goblin | diablo-d3 - I have a game from Japan that is like Space Harrier which is VERY impressive........Ill have find out the name. | Sep 26 20:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: you want to know about the superfx, I assume | Sep 26 20:42 |
| _goblin | yep.... | Sep 26 20:42 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: sorry, couldn't help oit | Sep 26 20:42 |
| schestowitz | He also messaged me some days ago | Sep 26 20:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: its a 65816, the same as the cpu in the snes | Sep 26 20:43 |
| twitter1 | I had a look at the Quickly write up. I'm not too impressed. The quickest way to get an application is not to start from scratch, it's to get one from deb-src | Sep 26 20:43 |
| schestowitz | He's crabby... doesn't know how to accept criticism | Sep 26 20:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: its tied into the snes bus and ran independently from the entire system (its not smp and its not master/slave) | Sep 26 20:43 |
| _goblin | was it present in any other titles than Starfox and DK? | Sep 26 20:44 |
| twitter1 | I also thought that Kdevelop had all of those things too. | Sep 26 20:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: the cart programmed the snes cpu to properly share a certain ram chip so they dont race each other | Sep 26 20:44 |
| schestowitz | schestowitz: it doesn't hurt to at least know who's who | Sep 26 20:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: DK didnt use the superfx | Sep 26 20:44 |
| _goblin | oh | Sep 26 20:44 |
| schestowitz | And explaining things to him would have him sing LA LA LA with his ipod headphones on, the radiation off the iphone and the shiiiiiiiiiny dock on the MAK | Sep 26 20:45 |
| _goblin | so was it just Starfox | Sep 26 20:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: btw, since that was a normal 65816, it could run anything, not just math | Sep 26 20:45 |
| MinceR | lol ipod headphones | Sep 26 20:46 |
| schestowitz | There are many people who put ethics behind articificial superfiicial things | Sep 26 20:46 |
| schestowitz | I can see where he's coming ffrom | Sep 26 20:46 |
| MinceR | he believes he can ride crApple's cash flow? | Sep 26 20:46 |
| MinceR | forever? | Sep 26 20:46 |
| schestowitz | "I need to feed my family and stuff.... blah blah... so never mind ethics" [they'd find justifications] | Sep 26 20:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: starr fox, doom, yoshi's island, stunt race fx, dirt trax fx, vortex | Sep 26 20:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: I cant think of anything else, there may be others | Sep 26 20:47 |
| MinceR | i doubt jobs will outlive him | Sep 26 20:47 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't help that RMS thinks that religion is a "brain virus" and Asay is a religious person | Sep 26 20:47 |
| MinceR | and then crApple can go only one way: down | Sep 26 20:47 |
| schestowitz | RMS is outspoken enough to make everyone resent him for s/t | Sep 26 20:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: wikipedia may have the entire list | Sep 26 20:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: anyhow, the thing with the cart bus is that was the main system bus | Sep 26 20:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: the cart was plugged right into it... it wasnt just a memory bus | Sep 26 20:48 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Apple is not in a bad position actually | Sep 26 20:48 |
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| twitter1 | I don't think everyone resents RMS | Sep 26 20:48 |
| MinceR | well it will be once jobs dies | Sep 26 20:48 |
| schestowitz | twitter1: hehehe | Sep 26 20:48 |
| MinceR | or maybe sooner | Sep 26 20:48 |
| twitter1 | people who do resent RMS have other problems | Sep 26 20:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: so there was slots of chips they had | Sep 26 20:48 |
| schestowitz | A lot of people do | Sep 26 20:48 |
| MinceR | people could get a clue anytime | Sep 26 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Cause he's demonised | Sep 26 20:48 |
| twitter1 | a lot of loud people do | Sep 26 20:48 |
| twitter1 | ah | Sep 26 20:48 |
| schestowitz | They try to daemonise him like they do Chavez | Sep 26 20:48 |
| MinceR | crApple really doesn't rest in doing evil and screwing their own customers | Sep 26 20:48 |
| MinceR | i wonder how many iGrenades does it take to make people want no more of it | Sep 26 20:49 |
| twitter1 | we should not weigh the opinions of ignorant people | Sep 26 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Or like the US would do to keep lower and middle class fighting | Sep 26 20:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: the superfx 1 was half the speed of the snes's 65816, the superfx 2 was the full speed of it (yes, this gave the snes twice the computational power) | Sep 26 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Showing this characterisation of enemies | Sep 26 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Like the "people who steal your welfare", "the guy who will rape your daughter", "the communism who will take your house...." | Sep 26 20:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: capcom had a chip called the CX4 which was used heavily in megaman x2 and x3, that was just a pure math coprocessor | Sep 26 20:50 |
| MinceR | most people probably don't even know what communism is | Sep 26 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Google: the 'open source' company | Sep 26 20:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/25/google_android_take_down_demand/ | Sep 26 20:50 |
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| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: nintendo had another chip that was used to run the math for super mario kart and pilotwings | Sep 26 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Can I modify and redistribute that letter? :-) | Sep 26 20:50 |
| MinceR | well, asay keeps calling crApple an "open source" company, doesn't he? | Sep 26 20:51 |
| MinceR | google is certainly more OS than that | Sep 26 20:51 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: to most people it's that "Marx thing" and "Russia genocide | Sep 26 20:51 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 26 20:51 |
| schestowitz | They also think the same of socialism | Sep 26 20:51 |
| schestowitz | And saying "anarchy" is almost like saying "Cannibalism" to them | Sep 26 20:51 |
| MinceR | yeah, they call socialism "communism" | Sep 26 20:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: star ocean and street fighte ralpha 2 used this really powerful data decompression chip to shove tons of data onto the rom | Sep 26 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Not Sweden/India? | Sep 26 20:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: star ocean is basically the largest rom ever created due to the compression | Sep 26 20:52 |
| _goblin | Ill have to check that one out.....legally of course! | Sep 26 20:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itpro.co.uk/blogs/maryb/2009/09/25/theres-a-reason-smartphones-are-locked-down/ | Sep 26 20:52 |
| phIRCe | Title: IT PRO: Blogs: Simon Bisson &amp; Mary Branscombe: There’s a reason smartphones are locked down .::. Size~: 142.29 KB | Sep 26 20:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: FEoEZ used a different compression chip for the same purpose (and was the last game to be emulated) | Sep 26 20:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: super mario rpg uss another 65816 that is far less limited than the superfx, called the sa-1 | Sep 26 20:53 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: can html symbols can be parsed and transformed? (e.g. & ) | Sep 26 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Mono is not over yet. http://www.ciol.com/Developer/Open-Source/News-Reports/ElementRiver-intros-open-source-framework/26909125573/0/ | Sep 26 20:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: btw, if you really wanna see the snes shown off, play star ocean and tales of phantasia | Sep 26 20:55 |
| schestowitz | http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Sep-25.html | Sep 26 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | Linux 2.6........ | Sep 26 20:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: they're the most advanced games for the snes | Sep 26 20:55 |
| _goblin | thanks....Ill give them a look! | Sep 26 20:56 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: I really have no clue | Sep 26 20:57 |
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| trmanco | I haven't looked it up | Sep 26 20:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: btw, your article should mention zsnes doesnt do amd64 | Sep 26 20:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: it has really broken assembly | Sep 26 20:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzU2MA I was just wondering today why he doesn't repeat and add error bars to the results | Sep 26 20:58 |
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| _goblin | Diablo-D3 Ill update that on the article...thanks! | Sep 26 20:59 |
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| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: your dcc broken? | Sep 26 21:02 |
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| amarsh04 | schestowitz... I've been looking at the GPL code on my adsl router that was provided without mention of licence, source code or offer of source code - at least the kernel and one of the other programs are known to have .au co-authors | Sep 26 21:07 |
| amarsh04 | this could make it easier to make a copyright infringement claim, assuming that the Australian authors would be prepared to take part | Sep 26 21:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.workswithu.com/2009/09/25/canonicalubuntu-ceo-mark-shuttleworth-visits-dell/ "Mark Shuttleworth Calls Windows 7 A Nice Service Pack" | Sep 26 21:09 |
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| _goblin | Diablo-D3: Ill private you.. | Sep 26 21:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: sometimes I think mark is a dick, but I agree with him | Sep 26 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUJg4Ob_liY | Sep 26 21:16 |
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| schestowitz | Poor people who bought Vista... or forced to buy it..... | Sep 26 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: he's not a d*ck | Sep 26 21:17 |
| twitter1 | you can get files around the network by knowing the IP address of your homebox and using OpenSSH. the problem is keeping your job and that you have a job in such a retarded place. | Sep 26 21:18 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: don't use strong language here. Save it for 4chan | Sep 26 21:20 |
| twitter1 | People would not be forced to buy Vista if XP worked for them... | Sep 26 21:20 |
| schestowitz | XP doesn't work | Sep 26 21:20 |
| twitter1 | obviously. | Sep 26 21:20 |
| schestowitz | People rely on it because of some apps that were made for it | Sep 26 21:20 |
| twitter1 | but people think it's their computer that does not work | Sep 26 21:21 |
| schestowitz | XP is a fantastic........ virus magnet | Sep 26 21:21 |
| twitter1 | then they buy a new computer, which only comes with Vista. | Sep 26 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | If it doesn't work, it's their fault | Sep 26 21:21 |
| schestowitz | They should just buy a new PC | Sep 26 21:21 |
| schestowitz | :-p | Sep 26 21:21 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: found it | Sep 26 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Beat me to it | Sep 26 21:21 |
| schestowitz | jono: nice interview with Linus. Great questions | Sep 26 21:22 |
| jono | thanks schestowitz :) | Sep 26 21:22 |
| schestowitz | You squeezes out of him information that I never heard him before sharing. He was uncomfortable at first. | Sep 26 21:23 |
| schestowitz | *squeezed | Sep 26 21:23 |
| twitter1 | link? | Sep 26 21:24 |
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| twitter1 | ho ho. lots of comments, must be full of trolls http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/25/do-not-boycott-ubuntu/#comments | Sep 26 21:28 |
| phIRCe | Title: DON’T Boycott Ubuntu | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 176.34 KB | Sep 26 21:28 |
| schestowitz | twitter1: http://www.twit.tv/floss88 | Sep 26 21:29 |
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| schestowitz | Starts around minute 7 | Sep 26 21:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | man | Sep 26 21:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: I miss good games | Sep 26 21:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: what happened | Sep 26 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Maybe childhood | Sep 26 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Games seem better when you are young | Sep 26 21:30 |
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| schestowitz | Gameplay is mostly lost, with some exception in FPS | Sep 26 21:30 |
| twitter1 | flash? | Sep 26 21:30 |
| twitter1 | any transcript? | Sep 26 21:30 |
| schestowitz | twitter1: nop | Sep 26 21:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: thats not true at all | Sep 26 21:30 |
| schestowitz | There's MP3 | Sep 26 21:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | I could haul out, say, chrono trigger | Sep 26 21:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | right now | Sep 26 21:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | and play it end to end | Sep 26 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Just skip the part where jono says Randall is all naked | Sep 26 21:31 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Sep 26 21:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it'd be as fun as it was when I was a kid | Sep 26 21:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | or super metroid | Sep 26 21:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | or mario kart | Sep 26 21:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | or any of the 2D mario bros | Sep 26 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Multiplayer on one keyboard | Sep 26 21:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | or sonic 3 | Sep 26 21:31 |
| schestowitz | The loser takes the QAZXXXSWEDC keys | Sep 26 21:31 |
| jono | schestowitz, haha | Sep 26 21:32 |
| jono | schestowitz, think it sounds bad? it looks worse :P | Sep 26 21:32 |
| schestowitz | If only it were true | Sep 26 21:32 |
| schestowitz | I can imagine the three of you in a Finnish sauna with Linus | Sep 26 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Like that Maemo show of FLOSS Weekly | Sep 26 21:32 |
| *Diablo-D3 facepalms | Sep 26 21:33 | |
| *Diablo-D3 lights schestowitz on fire before he thinks of any other bad things | Sep 26 21:33 | |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: you don't know what you're talking about | Sep 26 21:33 |
| schestowitz | The former's a joke | Sep 26 21:33 |
| schestowitz | the latter is true | Sep 26 21:33 |
| schestowitz | The Maemo/Nokia guy did the interview from his sauna on the n880 | Sep 26 21:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | I just like lighting people on fire :< | Sep 26 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: they don't burn well | Sep 26 21:34 |
| schestowitz | And you'd end up arrested | Sep 26 21:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | put its so funny when they run around screaming | Sep 26 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Some parents teach their kids not the cross the road | Sep 26 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Others teach kids not to burn other kids | Sep 26 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: only if it's animatd like South park | Sep 26 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Kenny's internal combustion | Sep 26 21:36 |
| trmanco | !help phIRCe | Sep 26 21:39 |
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| trmanco | !help phIRCe | Sep 26 21:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | lawlsplit | Sep 26 21:41 |
| trmanco | it's still not stabilized | Sep 26 21:41 |
| trmanco | I can't control me bot | Sep 26 21:41 |
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| trmanco | lag | Sep 26 21:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | jarly | Sep 26 21:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh, its funny | Sep 26 21:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im listening to micheal jackson | Sep 26 21:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes dead | Sep 26 21:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | there is obviously something wrong here | Sep 26 21:42 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: fixed it | Sep 26 21:42 |
| trmanco | !quit phIRCe | Sep 26 21:43 |
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| trmanco | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/25/do-not-boycott-ubuntu/#comments | Sep 26 21:44 |
| phIRCe | Title: DONT Boycott Ubuntu | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 176.34 KB | Sep 26 21:44 |
| trmanco | http://www.twit.tv/floss88 | Sep 26 21:44 |
| phIRCe | Title: The TWiT Netcast Network with Leo Laporte .::. Size~: 22.78 KB | Sep 26 21:44 |
| trmanco | http://www.itpro.co.uk/blogs/maryb/2009/09/25/theres-a-reason-smartphones-are-locked-down/ | Sep 26 21:45 |
| phIRCe | Title: IT PRO: Blogs: Simon Bisson & Mary Branscombe: There’s a reason smartphones are locked down .::. Size~: 142.29 KB | Sep 26 21:45 |
| trmanco | :) | Sep 26 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Cool! | Sep 26 21:45 |
| twitter1 | http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/217907 | Sep 26 21:45 |
| phIRCe | Title: Slashdot - News for nerds, stuff that matters .::. Size~: 105.95 KB | Sep 26 21:45 |
| twitter1 | hmmm, wrong title | Sep 26 21:45 |
| twitter1 | bad Slashdot, bad | Sep 26 21:46 |
| trmanco | lol | Sep 26 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Slashdot - News for Bill, stuff that used to matters .::. Size~: 0 KB | Sep 26 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Sep 26 20:57:37 <amarsh04_>hmm... Freenode just dropped out momentarily | Sep 26 21:48 |
| twitter1 | SLASHD~1.ORG | Sep 26 21:48 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Sep 26 21:48 |
| twitter1 | not that bad yet. | Sep 26 21:48 |
| schestowitz | http://slashdot.org/twitte~1/journal/217907 | Sep 26 21:48 |
| phIRCe | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found .::. Size~: 0 KB | Sep 26 21:48 |
| twitter1 | the bit about publishing email addresses really ticked me off. | Sep 26 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Sep 26 20:58:59 <trmanco>great | Sep 26 21:49 |
| twitter1 | trolls here rejoiced | Sep 26 21:49 |
| twitter1 | "bye twitter!" one said. | Sep 26 21:50 |
| twitter1 | very nice | Sep 26 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | one of those horse ass comments that Shuttleworth made off the cuff before realizing how condescending it sounded | Sep 26 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | he's made a few I believe | Sep 26 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu isn't something women would understand he says | Sep 26 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | that's funny | Sep 26 21:51 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: "Windows 7 didn't make Andrew Garcia's 64-bit migration easy. Ubuntu makes the journey easier, but Jason Brooks is surprised to find one fly in the ointment - courtesy of Adobe" http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/comment/64-bit-migration--linux-also-has-troubles--1916 | Sep 26 21:51 |
| phIRCe | Title: 64-Bit Migration: Linux Also Has Troubles - News - eWeekEurope.co.uk .::. Size~: 23.21 KB | Sep 26 21:51 |
| twitter1 | "Sound cannon" used on US protesters http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/09/26/1953203/G20-Protesters-Blasted-By-Sound-Cannon | Sep 26 21:51 |
| phIRCe | Title: Slashdot Technology Story | G20 Protesters Blasted By "Sound Cannon" .::. Size~: 67.88 KB | Sep 26 21:51 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: well, he's not married yet | Sep 26 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, 64-bit Windows should be painless transition | Sep 26 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | many users already have it and are unaware | Sep 26 21:51 |
| trmanco | it is if you insist in using 32 bit apps | Sep 26 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | it works with every single program they were already using | Sep 26 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | even Flash :) | Sep 26 21:52 |
| trmanco | if you go to the 64 bit side, there isn't much software you can choose from | Sep 26 21:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/25/us/25pittsburgh.html?_r=2 | Sep 26 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | trmanco, Not everything needs to be | Sep 26 21:52 |
| phIRCe | Title: The New York Times > Log In .::. Size~: 9.66 KB | Sep 26 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Uncle Sam wants you..... under CONTROL | Sep 26 21:52 |
| twitter1 | is DaemonFC still talking about Windows? | Sep 26 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | the OS can natively access more RAM, thats 95% of t he point of going X86-64 anyway | Sep 26 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of video games have a 64-bit executable available, especially on Steam | Sep 26 21:53 |
| trmanco | yes, but what I'm saying is that there isn't much 64 bit apps to choose from | Sep 26 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | those are the only things a lot of home users will even care about anyway | Sep 26 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | trmanco, Doesn't really matter | Sep 26 21:54 |
| trmanco | when I mean apps, I don't mean games | Sep 26 21:54 |
| twitter1 | Debian 64 is just like any other. | Sep 26 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | each application can access 3 GB of RAM, I don't think there's many apps that do that on a home PC | Sep 26 21:54 |
| trmanco | steam is a good exception | Sep 26 21:54 |
| trmanco | memory isn't everything | Sep 26 21:54 |
| trmanco | 64 bit software tend to be a lot faster | Sep 26 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | the overall limit of what the OS can access is much more important | Sep 26 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | no it doesn't | Sep 26 21:55 |
| trmanco | yes it does | Sep 26 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | some types are | Sep 26 21:55 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: not the stories I've heard. 64-bit Windows is a no-go area | Sep 26 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | a 64-bit Firefox doesn't matter at all | Sep 26 21:55 |
| trmanco | the other types are poorly made ports | Sep 26 21:55 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, A lot of OEM PCs have been shipping with it | Sep 26 21:55 |
| trmanco | 64 bit firefox does not have jit | Sep 26 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | and nobody is any the wiser | Sep 26 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Flash supports 64-bit Linux, not WIndows | Sep 26 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | therefore, painless transition | Sep 26 21:55 |
| schestowitz | ANd Linux has gnash too | Sep 26 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | Flash doesn't need to be 64-bit | Sep 26 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | Windows is compatible with 32-bit apps | Sep 26 21:56 |
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| DaemonFC | GNASH? You cannot be serious | Sep 26 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | I give up | Sep 26 21:56 |
| schestowitz | I am | Sep 26 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Sep 26 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Let's forget the subject | Sep 26 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | GNASH is broken and doesn't work | Sep 26 21:56 |
| schestowitz | You're becoming more of that job candidate you spoke about | Sep 26 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | when I say broken, I mean broken in the sense that most FSF projects end up | Sep 26 21:56 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC was willing to work for VoleStore | Sep 26 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | perpetually incomplete | Sep 26 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Like WIndows? | Sep 26 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | GNASH will never work right | Sep 26 21:57 |
| trmanco | never say never | Sep 26 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | SWFDEC stands a better chance than GNASH | Sep 26 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | which is why Fedora and Debian both use it | Sep 26 21:57 |
| trmanco | it would be better to just put all these efforts int one | Sep 26 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | let the FSF infect a quality design process? | Sep 26 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | why would you ever want that? | Sep 26 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | they can't get their own implementation even half functional | Sep 26 21:58 |
| cubezzz | let's not forget the gnu utilities and gcc, kind of important those | Sep 26 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | get them the hell away from SWFDEC at any cost | Sep 26 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | they're competent on a few particular projects | Sep 26 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | applications don't typically work for them | Sep 26 21:59 |
| cubezzz | gnubik was disappointing | Sep 26 21:59 |
| trmanco | it's still LGPL | Sep 26 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | they become massively outdated or always semi-functional quite often | Sep 26 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | they give you 48 text editors, lovely | Sep 26 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | you know I love a good text editor | Sep 26 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | but GNASH is crap | Sep 26 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | ironically their only good text editor is Nano | Sep 26 22:01 |
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| DaemonFC | because VI and emacs are both quite unintuitive | Sep 26 22:01 |
| cubezzz | vim ftw :) | Sep 26 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | micro emacs is good | Sep 26 22:01 |
| trmanco | vi is weird | Sep 26 22:01 |
| trmanco | I can get the hand of it's strange key bindings | Sep 26 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | vi is the most horrible editor there ever was | Sep 26 22:02 |
| trmanco | hang* | Sep 26 22:02 |
| trmanco | it's a different idea | Sep 26 22:02 |
| trmanco | you can't expect everything to be like windows notepad do you | Sep 26 22:02 |
| trmanco | ? | Sep 26 22:02 |
| cubezzz | Unix is/was character oriented | Sep 26 22:03 |
| twitter1 | hmmm, I did skip to the naked Randal. | Sep 26 22:03 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04_: http://lwn.net/Articles/352366/ | Sep 26 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | actually, for graphical text editor, I usually use gEdit | Sep 26 22:03 |
| phIRCe | Title: FOSS license compliance in the consumer electronics market [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 29.84 KB | Sep 26 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | which works just fine on Windows too | Sep 26 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | syntax highlighting, tabs, autosaving, spell check | Sep 26 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | has everything I want | Sep 26 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | syntax highlighting is especially useful if you've forgotten to close a comment or something stupid like that | Sep 26 22:04 |
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| DaemonFC | that way you don't need to go over the whole thing to find out what you did and why it won't compile | Sep 26 22:05 |
| trmanco | ok lets change subject | Sep 26 22:05 |
| trmanco | lets talk about IDE's | Sep 26 22:05 |
| trmanco | :-p | Sep 26 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | GCC has never been my favorite compiler anyway | Sep 26 22:05 |
| trmanco | my vote goes for netbeans | Sep 26 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | I tend to use ICC whenever possible | Sep 26 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | or MSVC on Windows | Sep 26 22:06 |
| trmanco | you can say all this bad stuff about java, but netbeans proves otherwise | Sep 26 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not automatically a fan of everything Microsoft does but there are some things they do well | Sep 26 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | and I appreciate what works | Sep 26 22:07 |
| trmanco | MSVC? | Sep 26 22:07 |
| trmanco | every IDE fater MSVC 6 is pure bloat bullshit | Sep 26 22:07 |
| trmanco | after* | Sep 26 22:07 |
| cubezzz | society has improved, we don't need closed source compilers | Sep 26 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | just as often as I wonder why I can't get something done on Linux, I ask myself why Windows doesn't have something I've grown to like in Linux or OS X | Sep 26 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | I use pretty much every OS I can get my hands on that has proven its worth to me | Sep 26 22:08 |
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| cubezzz | can you compile the windows kernel? | Sep 26 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | I don't care | Sep 26 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | I shouldn't have to recompile something that works in the beginning | Sep 26 22:08 |
| cubezzz | well just remember some people do | Sep 26 22:08 |
| trmanco | but you care to have extra unecessary bloat on the kernel then | Sep 26 22:09 |
| trmanco | it doesn't work at the "beginning" | Sep 26 22:09 |
| cubezzz | yeah that's just it | Sep 26 22:09 |
| amarsh04 | yes, I'd read that article schestowitz | Sep 26 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | if you care, then that's good and you shouldn't use Windows | Sep 26 22:09 |
| trmanco | it kinda just works with it's generic drivers | Sep 26 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | and I'm not going to say everyone should because it wouldn't be true | Sep 26 22:09 |
| *trmanco still remembers those good'ol Windows days | Sep 26 22:09 | |
| cubezzz | there never was a "good old days" | Sep 26 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | I rolled out Windows 7 and it immediately identified all my hardware and peripherals | Sep 26 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | there were a few updates available, but everything did work immediately | Sep 26 22:10 |
| twitter1 | I've had "good old days" | Sep 26 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | that is the first time that has happened, XP usually didn't even have network drivers | Sep 26 22:11 |
| trmanco | I do not believe you | Sep 26 22:11 |
| twitter1 | I'm having a good day right now. | Sep 26 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | Vista may have your network drivers, but everything else may be missing | Sep 26 22:11 |
| cubezzz | good old days, maybe the Commodore PET era :) | Sep 26 22:11 |
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| trmanco | I'll confirm myself one of these days | Sep 26 22:11 |
| cubezzz | when computers first became home computers | Sep 26 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | the RTM version of Windows 7 recognized my NIC, wireless adapter, Nvidia Geforce 9500 GT, my AverMedia M780 tuner card, and my Logitech Quickcam Communicate Deluxe webcam, before it even connected to the internet | Sep 26 22:12 |
| twitter1 | "founder of open source ... linus torvalds" ? | Sep 26 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | there was updated Nvidia and Logitech drivers on Windows update, but that was it | Sep 26 22:12 |
| trmanco | yes, with generic drivers | Sep 26 22:12 |
| cubezzz | open source is too vague a term | Sep 26 22:12 |
| trmanco | try moving a window | Sep 26 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | it also had drivers for my entire motherboard chipset | Sep 26 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | Aero was up and running | Sep 26 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | it was, from a hardware POV, painless | Sep 26 22:13 |
| sebsebseb | Windows 7 is Vista version 2, and it will be old news in about three years time | Sep 26 22:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] The Haunted World of El Superbeasto is an insanely funny movie VERY NSFW http://tinyurl.com/227cgf | Sep 26 22:14 | |
| phIRCe | Title: The Haunted World of El Superbeasto (2009) .::. Size~: 57.02 KB | Sep 26 22:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/moving-rings | Sep 26 22:14 |
| trmanco | I do not believe that | Sep 26 22:14 |
| phIRCe | Title: Moving Up The Rings | Linux Journal .::. Size~: 36.98 KB | Sep 26 22:14 |
| cubezzz | I was telling my company in the 80's not to use windows 2.0 | Sep 26 22:14 |
| sebsebseb | trmanco: don't belive what? | Sep 26 22:14 |
| cubezzz | and they actually listened to me... ah the good ol' days :) | Sep 26 22:15 |
| trmanco | windows having all those driver by default | Sep 26 22:15 |
| trmanco | non-generic ones | Sep 26 22:15 |
| schestowitz | [22:09] * trmanco still remembers those good'ol Windows days | Sep 26 22:15 |
| schestowitz | "Good"? | Sep 26 22:15 |
| trmanco | I forgot the word | Sep 26 22:16 |
| trmanco | ... | Sep 26 22:16 |
| schestowitz | I actually think of "good Linux days" | Sep 26 22:16 |
| schestowitz | And the time when computers were an unreliable annoying bore | Sep 26 22:16 |
| trmanco | not everthing from my windows days were bad | Sep 26 22:16 |
| schestowitz | That couldn't even back itself up | Sep 26 22:16 |
| schestowitz | And occasionally BSODed in the morning | Sep 26 22:16 |
| trmanco | yes that happed to me | Sep 26 22:16 |
| schestowitz | With Windows, you don't know if it'll still work when you get up | Sep 26 22:16 |
| trmanco | true | Sep 26 22:16 |
| schestowitz | I remember when I was 15 or 16 and couldn't get Internet Phone to work | Sep 26 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Windows is not as easy as people think | Sep 26 22:17 |
| schestowitz | And there's no CLI to debug, either | Sep 26 22:17 |
| trmanco | windows reminds me of those precious time wasting games | Sep 26 22:17 |
| sebsebseb | well there's the command prompt, but the one in a Linux/Unix distro is more powerful | Sep 26 22:18 |
| schestowitz | It's all clickidy-cluck... but you can't forgure out what to click to make the darn thing work | Sep 26 22:18 |
| sebsebseb | also most computer users don't know how to use Windows properly | Sep 26 22:18 |
| twitter1 | Windows if impossible to use | Sep 26 22:18 |
| schestowitz | SOmetimes you CAN'T make it work, sometimes it's just a bad driver or something | Sep 26 22:18 |
| twitter1 | or fix | Sep 26 22:18 |
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| trmanco | if it was impossible to use, nobody would e using it... | Sep 26 22:18 |
| twitter1 | It is much easier to use gnu/linux | Sep 26 22:18 |
| schestowitz | daemon ran away | Sep 26 22:18 |
| trmanco | it is quite a pain | Sep 26 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Maybe offended by Windows bashing | Sep 26 22:19 |
| trmanco | when windows gets it 3 months of age | Sep 26 22:19 |
| trmanco | everthing starts getting slow | Sep 26 22:19 |
| twitter1 | Windows is hostile | Sep 26 22:19 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: people don't set it up | Sep 26 22:19 |
| schestowitz | OEMs do | Sep 26 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | trmanco: heh yeah Windows installs tend to become slower after a while | Sep 26 22:19 |
| schestowitz | And they FORCE you to buy it | Sep 26 22:19 |
| trmanco | that's the problems | Sep 26 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Adding insult to injury | Sep 26 22:19 |
| trmanco | that why the say it all works for them | Sep 26 22:19 |
| twitter1 | it does things for you that you do not want and won't do things you do want | Sep 26 22:19 |
| trmanco | sebsebseb: yeah | Sep 26 22:20 |
| trmanco | and after a year, then the bloated registry problems | Sep 26 22:20 |
| trmanco | and it start getting slower and slower to just boot up the damn OS | Sep 26 22:20 |
| trmanco | even if you deactivate all the uncesaary startup bloat | Sep 26 22:20 |
| trmanco | I even try to disable the search indexing when I can | Sep 26 22:21 |
| trmanco | sometimes it tends to work faster, sometimes it doesn't | Sep 26 22:21 |
| twitter1 | better to overwrite the whole thing | Sep 26 22:21 |
| trmanco | and I know windows, I've used it a lot before 2007 | Sep 26 22:21 |
| trmanco | since about 97/ or so | Sep 26 22:22 |
| trmanco | 10 years using NT | Sep 26 22:22 |
| twitter1 | so sad | Sep 26 22:22 |
| trmanco | and windows | Sep 26 22:22 |
| twitter1 | it was around 98 that I started to dump Windows | Sep 26 22:22 |
| trmanco | whatever windows 3.1 95 and 98 were called | Sep 26 22:22 |
| twitter1 | I got my first computer in 1989 | Sep 26 22:22 |
| trmanco | I still remember that year 2000 bug | Sep 26 22:22 |
| twitter1 | DOS, Windows 3.1, 95 and 98 | Sep 26 22:23 |
| trmanco | I was a small kid and didn'y know what was going on | Sep 26 22:23 |
| trmanco | all I knew was "computers" | Sep 26 22:23 |
| twitter1 | that's the end of the road for me. | Sep 26 22:23 |
| trmanco | but I never heard that it was Windows' fault | Sep 26 22:23 |
| twitter1 | people had told me about Xenix but I could not get it | Sep 26 22:23 |
| trmanco | I did DOS too | Sep 26 22:23 |
| twitter1 | I learned C and Win95 API on Windows. | Sep 26 22:23 |
| trmanco | that was my first interaction with a computer | Sep 26 22:23 |
| trmanco | well, with 3.1 you would have to dos and then start the damn windows | Sep 26 22:24 |
| twitter1 | things were much better on Red Hat 5.x | Sep 26 22:24 |
| twitter1 | then that was it | Sep 26 22:24 |
| sebsebseb | How to easilly fix most Windows problems: Re install the OS :D | Sep 26 22:25 |
| trmanco | yes | Sep 26 22:25 |
| sebsebseb | how to prevent those problems in the future, use a different OS | Sep 26 22:25 |
| trmanco | people tend to escape from that, but it's inevitable | Sep 26 22:25 |
| trmanco | sooner or later you will have to reinstall the whole thing | Sep 26 22:26 |
| sebsebseb | well people are worried that they will lose their data and that kind of thing | Sep 26 22:26 |
| sebsebseb | or not want to set up programs again | Sep 26 22:26 |
| sebsebseb | or both even | Sep 26 22:26 |
| trmanco | or they are simply not just willing to pay someone else competent enough to reinstall the os | Sep 26 22:28 |
| sebsebseb | trmanco: true | Sep 26 22:28 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.printf.net/articles/2009/09/25/on-keynotes-and-apologies | Sep 26 22:29 |
| phIRCe | Title: On keynotes and apologies .::. Size~: 98.48 KB | Sep 26 22:29 |
| schestowitz | "Well, I was at the keynote too, and was paying attention, and it turns out that even with context applied, someone who talks about "explaining to girls what we actually do" when talking about free software really is saying something sexist, and buying into the noxious stereotype that women can't be developers or tech-savvy; that they'll never be a real part of our group, even if a few of them are brave enough to try in the face of | Sep 26 22:29 |
| schestowitz | other people dismissing their efforts (and Mark certainly isn't the first to have done that)." | Sep 26 22:29 |
| *trmanco will add logging capabilities to hist bot | Sep 26 22:29 | |
| sebsebseb | trmanco: some of us will help with that kind of thing and more for free though | Sep 26 22:29 |
| trmanco | yes | Sep 26 22:29 |
| trmanco | but not many | Sep 26 22:29 |
| sebsebseb | I would | Sep 26 22:29 |
| twitter1 | they are right to worry. Windows has poor organization and back up facilites -> people are worried that they will lose their data and that kind of thing | Sep 26 22:29 |
| schestowitz | They can use Home Server | Sep 26 22:30 |
| schestowitz | And pray it won't delete their data | Sep 26 22:30 |
| schestowitz | As it did for almost a year | Sep 26 22:30 |
| schestowitz | It took MS like 8 months to patch this huge known problem | Sep 26 22:30 |
| schestowitz | And they still had this rubbish on the shelves | Sep 26 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Defective out of the box, no patch available for ages | Sep 26 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Data shredder Derver | Sep 26 22:30 |
| schestowitz | *Server | Sep 26 22:31 |
| schestowitz | twitter1: http://ostatic.com/blog/five-linux-compatible-online-backup-and-storage-services | Sep 26 22:31 |
| phIRCe | Title: Five Linux-Compatible Online Backup and Storage Services .::. Size~: 41.63 KB | Sep 26 22:31 |
| twitter1 | grsync works for me, thanks | Sep 26 22:31 |
| twitter1 | I imagine the backup services for windows use gnu/linux too | Sep 26 22:32 |
| trmanco | people are afraid to loose data because of the way windows has to be partitioned | Sep 26 22:32 |
| twitter1 | people are afraid of losing their data on Windows because it happens so frequently when you use Windows | Sep 26 22:46 |
| trmanco | true | Sep 26 22:50 |
| cubezzz | I always love saying "Can you compile the kernel" | Sep 26 22:55 |
| cubezzz | that always gets a reaction :) | Sep 26 22:55 |
| cubezzz | that's the Linux KO punch | Sep 26 22:56 |
| trmanco | heh | Sep 26 22:56 |
| twitter1 | Linus Torvalds called Twitter and Facebook "crap" | Sep 26 22:56 |
| twitter1 | anyone can compile a kernel | Sep 26 22:56 |
| twitter1 | but why bother? | Sep 26 22:57 |
| trmanco | twitter might be | Sep 26 22:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Innovation Centre Established in #Kazakhstan http://bit.ly/44RjY7 | Sep 26 22:57 | |
| phIRCe | Title: IBM opens a Linux innovation center in Kazakhstan | VentureBeat .::. Size~: 21.85 KB | Sep 26 22:57 |
| trmanco | facebook IMO isn't | Sep 26 22:57 |
| twitter1 | Facebook almost makes up for Windows and Mac network ineptitude but does not. | Sep 26 22:58 |
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| twitter1 | If people were able to run webservers and other normal software on Windows, no one would need Facebook. | Sep 26 22:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Spreads Too Much to Microsoft's Liking http://bit.ly/oXTLH | Sep 26 22:59 | |
| phIRCe | Title: The Linux insurgency - Community - ComputerworldUK .::. Size~: 80.94 KB | Sep 26 22:59 |
| cubezzz | Facebook isn't that good | Sep 26 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: Facebook = Consumerbook :D | Sep 26 22:59 |
| twitter1 | looks like a phone book to me | Sep 26 23:00 |
| twitter1 | a phone book can be useful | Sep 26 23:00 |
| cubezzz | sorry dudes, I don't want to see pics of your vacation :) | Sep 26 23:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Considered a Top Tool for #Development http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7538/ http://tuxradar.com/learnqt | Sep 26 23:00 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Learn Qt programming with our free tutorials | TuxRadar .::. Size~: 16.17 KB | Sep 26 23:00 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: I guess most people that use Facebook a lot also aren't that technical when it comes to computers | Sep 26 23:00 |
| cubezzz | sebsebseb, I guess it's ok for staying in contact with one's non-technie friends | Sep 26 23:01 |
| sebsebseb | and I think I have read something about Facebook malware before, or whatever it was | Sep 26 23:01 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: true, and there's a Plugin for the IM in Pidgin :) | Sep 26 23:02 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mainframes with Virtualised #GNU #Linux Keep Dominance http://bit.ly/12Q9aC | Sep 26 23:02 | |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: for Pidgin | Sep 26 23:02 |
| cubezzz | meh, I'm mainly IRC | Sep 26 23:03 |
| cubezzz | reason for compiling the Linux: make it support exactly what you want and only what you want | Sep 26 23:03 |
| cubezzz | obvious example: PDA's | Sep 26 23:04 |
| twitter1 | that's a good reason. | Sep 26 23:04 |
| cubezzz | cross-compiling ftw | Sep 26 23:04 |
| twitter1 | ah. | Sep 26 23:05 |
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| sebsebseb | cubezzz: I mainly use IRC for chat stuff these days | Sep 26 23:05 |
| twitter1 | I'm a module junkie | Sep 26 23:05 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: Is that what you were saying that you mainly use IRC? | Sep 26 23:05 |
| twitter1 | compiling a kernel is something I have not done in about five years. | Sep 26 23:06 |
| twitter1 | I'm lazy. | Sep 26 23:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Interview with #LinusTorvalds at #LinuxCon http://www.twit.tv/floss88 | Sep 26 23:06 | |
| phIRCe | Title: The TWiT Netcast Network with Leo Laporte .::. Size~: 22.78 KB | Sep 26 23:06 |
| twitter1 | this is nifty -> Hurd supports several extensions to the ext2fs filesystem format. Foremost among these are ... a fourth set of permission bits for unknown users (users without an identity ... | Sep 26 23:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #TransGaming Gets Half a Million Dollars to Bring Games to #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/4wbn6 | Sep 26 23:08 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Gamasutra - News - Intel Invests $500K In 'Gaming On Demand' Dev TransGaming .::. Size~: 37.12 KB | Sep 26 23:08 |
| twitter1 | a real guest account. | Sep 26 23:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Wine 1.1.30 is Released http://www.winehq.org/announce/1.1.30 #linux #unix | Sep 26 23:10 | |
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| trmanco | I need to got | Sep 26 23:12 |
| trmanco | gn | Sep 26 23:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IanMurdock Releases Family Tree of #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/45vi9k | Sep 26 23:19 | |
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| cubezzz | no, I don't use zaurus/embedix for IRC | Sep 26 23:37 |
| cubezzz | I could, but I don't :) | Sep 26 23:37 |
| cubezzz | embedix is doing internet radio and text based stuff via ssh | Sep 26 23:38 |
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