| schestowitz | http://www.junauza.com/2009/10/geeky-way-to-put-your-baby-to-sleep.html | Oct 10 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | Miguel gets pwned a lot today | Oct 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/28373/1090/ | Oct 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=4983 | Oct 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | Who really has the most Linux users? http://blogs.computerworld.com/14884/who_really_has_the_most_linux_users Novell and Red Hat bickering | Oct 10 00:04 |
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| _Hicham_ | hi schestowitz | Oct 10 00:07 |
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| _Hicham_ | I do have the most linux users of my os | Oct 10 00:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-10-09-021-35-MM-RL-0000 | Oct 10 00:08 |
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| ender2070 | i hate de icaza | Oct 10 00:09 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: Obama said "hi", He left just b3 you came ;-p | Oct 10 00:09 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: Miguel loves everyone | Oct 10 00:09 |
| schestowitz | ""I want to say that God loves all creatures. From the formidable elephant to the tiniest ant. " | Oct 10 00:09 |
| ender2070 | hes like "they call me a microsoft apologist, and i resent that, I just have to say they make pretty fine software" | Oct 10 00:09 |
| ender2070 | not in those exact words | Oct 10 00:10 |
| ender2070 | but thats what he gives off | Oct 10 00:10 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: not SO fine apparently. http://www.itwire.com/content/view/28359/1141/ | Oct 10 00:10 |
| schestowitz | Novell should be open CCCCCCCCOOOR. http://www.jejik.com/articles/2009/10/open_core_the_worst_of_both_worlds/ | Oct 10 00:11 |
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| ender2070 | lol | Oct 10 00:12 |
| ender2070 | like apple | Oct 10 00:12 |
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| ender2070 | "I dislike DRM as much as the next person, on the other hand, it has allowed me to pay 15 USD a month and get all-you-can-get Music, so I have mixed feelings about this. | Oct 10 00:13 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : Hussein Obama is great | Oct 10 00:13 |
| ender2070 | i dunno about everyone else, but in Canada this costs $0 | Oct 10 00:13 |
| ender2070 | without drm | Oct 10 00:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Windows 7 party loot up for sale already? http://tinyurl.com/yjstm85 #microsoft #windows #vista #xp #win7 | Oct 10 00:15 | |
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| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : deamon didn't come for days | Oct 10 00:17 |
| tessier | Ah. That's why it has been unusually tranquil in here. | Oct 10 00:17 |
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| voltronw_ | ender2070: you "hate" him? | Oct 10 00:18 |
| _Hicham_ | here is it | Oct 10 00:19 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: he was here today | Oct 10 00:24 |
| schestowitz | he's OK | Oct 10 00:24 |
| schestowitz | No seizures for now | Oct 10 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Just a cyst | Oct 10 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Does anyone know a theme selector for visitors in WordPress. I can't find any in the plugins library | Oct 10 00:26 |
| schestowitz | Some people claim the fonts are too small | Oct 10 00:26 |
| schestowitz | I'll ask in #wordpress | Oct 10 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | no seizures but I may die of boredom if t hey don't hurry up and ship that computer | Oct 10 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | I'm stuck with this basic crappy laptop til they get it here | Oct 10 00:29 |
| ender2070 | no not really "hate" | Oct 10 00:30 |
| ender2070 | just think hes an idiot | Oct 10 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | my laptop is getting too old to even try to use | Oct 10 00:31 |
| voltronw_ | an idiot? | Oct 10 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | I had to blow the dust off it cause my good system died | Oct 10 00:31 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Oct 10 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Novell's RadeonHD has slowed down. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzU5NA | Oct 10 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | Carefull, ender2070 | Oct 10 00:35 |
| schestowitz | We have some c# folks here. | Oct 10 00:35 |
| schestowitz | *careful | Oct 10 00:35 |
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| schestowitz | amarsh04: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=760672&goto=newpost | Oct 10 00:39 |
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| trmanco | I have to go | Oct 10 00:44 |
| trmanco | !quit phIRCe | Oct 10 00:44 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.benchmark.com/news/sv/2009/09_29_2009.php | Oct 10 00:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Vista booting quicker than Windows 7? http://tinyurl.com/yf4y7g4 #microsoft #windows #vista #win7 #windows7 #xp #apple #linux | Oct 10 00:47 | |
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| schestowitz | daemonisation with "Religion again: http://jamesdixon.wordpress.com/2009/10/05/misunderstanding-open-source-3-applying-free-software-religion-to-open-source-business-models/ | Oct 10 00:53 |
| schestowitz | "The participants in the Free Software movement see things differently. They have a purist viewpoint of intellectual property rights, and apply their viewpoint religiously. Free Software advocates want a future where intellectual property and intellectual property laws are a thing of the past." | Oct 10 00:53 |
| schestowitz | "Religion"? | Oct 10 00:53 |
| _goblin | Hi Roy....I love those statements...it certainly doesn't apply to me..... | Oct 10 00:54 |
| _goblin | " Free Software advocates want a future where intellectual property and intellectual property laws are a thing of the past." - No I don't. | Oct 10 00:54 |
| _goblin | I think there is a place for both | Oct 10 00:54 |
| _goblin | as long as greed and foul play stay out of the equation. | Oct 10 00:55 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmm...... | Oct 10 00:59 |
| schestowitz | OSS Watch is quite hostile t/w OSS.... http://osswatch.jiscinvolve.org/2009/10/02/strong-leadership-and-openness-software-sustainability/ | Oct 10 00:59 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: there is no "intellectual property " | Oct 10 00:59 |
| schestowitz | There are patents | Oct 10 00:59 |
| schestowitz | And there should be none applies to software | Oct 10 00:59 |
| schestowitz | It's a barrier to progress | Oct 10 01:00 |
| schestowitz | *Applied | Oct 10 01:00 |
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| *Diablo-D3 posted on gwibber | Oct 10 01:07 | |
| _goblin | sorry having a cig there for a min... | Oct 10 01:09 |
| _goblin | agreed Roy....Patents I would regard as foul play. | Oct 10 01:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | wow that bot lags | Oct 10 01:09 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: don't confuse it with copyrights | Oct 10 01:11 |
| schestowitz | GPL loves copyright in a way | Oct 10 01:11 |
| schestowitz | That's the GPL's "teeth" | Oct 10 01:11 |
| schestowitz | But it's a copyleft licence | Oct 10 01:11 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Nvidia is going under soon http://ur1.ca/dadi | Oct 10 01:11 | |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: I can change the check cycle | Oct 10 01:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ingres.com/products/ingres-database-9-3.php | Oct 10 01:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | naw, just wanted to see how long it took | Oct 10 01:13 |
| schestowitz | What do they use? | Oct 10 01:13 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: 5 mins | Oct 10 01:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: ingres is the father of sybase, mssql, nonstop, and pg is a rewrite oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooof it | Oct 10 01:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | goddamn keyboard! | Oct 10 01:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | its also gpl'ed | Oct 10 01:14 |
| schestowitz | # Check we are in the right channels every 10 minutes | Oct 10 01:14 |
| schestowitz | add_repeat_timer(600, sub { my ($timer, $self) = @_; join_channels($self); }); | Oct 10 01:14 |
| schestowitz | Modified | Oct 10 01:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | why you asking about ingres? | Oct 10 01:16 |
| schestowitz | Cause of some conversation from 2 years ago | Oct 10 01:19 |
| schestowitz | In a private mailing list, matt lee (fsf) asked some ingres person (iirc) about the whole "open source" fakery | Oct 10 01:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | ahh | Oct 10 01:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: it doesnt really matter however | Oct 10 01:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | no one uses ingres | Oct 10 01:19 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: I dont confuse it. For me (in general now) I believe software freedom (or indeed creative freedom) should extend to the developer as much as the end user. If company A want's to release closed source material then fine....Ive had a similar debate before of the merits of proprietary in regards to certain areas of computing/entertainment. | Oct 10 01:20 |
| schestowitz | Some do, not many | Oct 10 01:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | all the ingres users have either moved to mssql (because they're idiots), pg (because they're awesome and pg is the best db ever), or nonstop (really old legacy systems or legacy software on new systems) | Oct 10 01:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: taking all the dbs in the world | Oct 10 01:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | AAALLLLLLLLL the dbs in the world | Oct 10 01:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | even the ones that back wordpress installations no one reads | Oct 10 01:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | mysql, pg, and oracle dominate pretty much 99% of it | Oct 10 01:22 |
| schestowitz | "Just a quick post to say I'm not dead. But my Internet uplink is. Well... seems like my ISP (Belgacom/Skynet) is having a major, global tits up, and I have no idea when they'll manage to fix it." | Oct 10 01:22 |
| schestowitz | http://dev-loki.blogspot.com/2009/10/no-internets.html | Oct 10 01:22 |
| schestowitz | I'd dread the thought of this ever happening to me :-) | Oct 10 01:22 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: Web DBs don't get counted | Oct 10 01:23 |
| schestowitz | Not by Frosted Sullivan [sic] and Gangster Group | Oct 10 01:23 |
| schestowitz | They deliberately count the wrong things | Oct 10 01:23 |
| schestowitz | And claim mysql market share is 1.5% | Oct 10 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Or something like that | Oct 10 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Sure, just ignore like 100 million sites/blogs | Oct 10 01:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: yeeaahhhh, I dont really care what they say | Oct 10 01:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | a db that isn't heavily used cant be trusted | Oct 10 01:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | a db that isnt open source cant be trusted | Oct 10 01:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | and mysql cant be trusted | Oct 10 01:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | so this leaves pg as the only db worth using | Oct 10 01:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | did I mention I like pg? :D | Oct 10 01:26 |
| schestowitz | mysql works well for me | Oct 10 01:27 |
| schestowitz | It only failed on me once | Oct 10 01:27 |
| schestowitz | Due to server crash at bad time with high load | Oct 10 01:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | I don't trust it for heavy duty tasks | Oct 10 01:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: yeah, see? | Oct 10 01:27 |
| schestowitz | It could be recovered by the admin | Oct 10 01:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | there should never be times when that can happen | Oct 10 01:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | mysql isnt even acid compliant | Oct 10 01:27 |
| schestowitz | No need to restore from backup. One occurrence in 5 years of many DC instances | Oct 10 01:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats one too many | Oct 10 01:28 |
| schestowitz | Depends | Oct 10 01:28 |
| schestowitz | 15 DBs, 5 years, one fixable failure | Oct 10 01:28 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm was here advising me on it | Oct 10 01:29 |
| schestowitz | I was going to overwrite the crashed DB | Oct 10 01:29 |
| schestowitz | But the admin could go around to bringing it back up | Oct 10 01:29 |
| schestowitz | That was around February | Oct 10 01:29 |
| schestowitz | Annoying ordeal | Oct 10 01:29 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20091008/0147196457.shtml Yet Another Redlight Camera Program Found To Be Illegal | Oct 10 01:32 |
| schestowitz | Is It Time To Start Blocking Firefox Users? < http://www.connectedinternet.co.uk/2009/10/07/is-it-time-to-start-blocking-firefox-users/ ? | Oct 10 01:33 |
| schestowitz | ^Another greedy marketing jerkl | Oct 10 01:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/oct/07/rhino-horn-poaching-south-africa Trade in rhino horn fuels massive poaching surge in South Africa | Oct 10 01:35 |
| schestowitz | RMS: "IMF policies in 31 countries exacerbated the economic downturn." http://www.cepr.net/documents/publications/imf-2009-10.pdf | Oct 10 01:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1254573431139&pagename=Zone-English-News/NWELayout# | Oct 10 01:37 |
| cubezzz | lol, that url made konqueror crap out | Oct 10 01:39 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: sorry. | Oct 10 01:39 |
| schestowitz | Hans Blix: It's not just about Iran < http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/oct/07/iran-nuclear-weapons-wmd-enrichment > | Oct 10 01:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6713080 | Oct 10 01:40 |
| cubezzz | I'll try elinks just for fun | Oct 10 01:40 |
| cubezzz | wow, that worked | Oct 10 01:41 |
| schestowitz | We need really free phones, still. | Oct 10 01:42 |
| cubezzz | ok, so he's really against ad blocking in general, not firefox in particular | Oct 10 01:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/products/68237.html?wlc=1255135275 | Oct 10 01:42 |
| schestowitz | Android is like iPhone done with Linux | Oct 10 01:42 |
| schestowitz | How many patches goes Google give back to FOSS? | Oct 10 01:42 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: so why block FF? | Oct 10 01:43 |
| cubezzz | there's no reason | Oct 10 01:43 |
| schestowitz | it's like saying p2p is used a lot for illegal purposes, so all of it should be blocked | Oct 10 01:43 |
| cubezzz | even the author of that article agrees it's a bad idea | Oct 10 01:43 |
| schestowitz | knives are used for manslaughter, so lets ban kitchen knife | Oct 10 01:44 |
| cubezzz | he just wanted a title which would capture people's attention :) | Oct 10 01:44 |
| schestowitz | Cut carrots with spoons. | Oct 10 01:44 |
| schestowitz | People who block ads don't click them anyway | Oct 10 01:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-10-10-001-35-MM | Oct 10 01:46 |
| schestowitz | Carla lives in the countryside. Looks fun. | Oct 10 01:46 |
| schestowitz | gn | Oct 10 01:47 |
| cubezzz | doing the elinks thing on the zaurus for text weather reports | Oct 10 01:50 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] there needs to be a super hero (or maybe Ubuntu release) called Super Sphincter | Oct 10 01:52 | |
| cubezzz | is NT 5.1 Vista? | Oct 10 01:54 |
| cubezzz | ah, XP | Oct 10 01:55 |
| voltronw_ | cubezzz: nt = 4, xp = 5, vista = 6, 7 = 7 | Oct 10 01:55 |
| cubezzz | yeah, seems XP is still the most used | Oct 10 01:56 |
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| yuhong | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/27/vista-7-least-secure-os/ | Oct 10 03:02 |
| yuhong | "“Microsoft in windows 7 is now forced to virtualise XP. So all the viruses of XP will remain around.”" | Oct 10 03:03 |
| yuhong | Jailed onto a VM. | Oct 10 03:03 |
| yuhong | Jailed into a VM. | Oct 10 03:03 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] A fun challenge for all podcasters - Record or broadcast an entire episode without ever using the word "cool". | Oct 10 03:33 | |
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| DaemonFC | dead in here | Oct 10 04:10 |
| Omar87 | Hi all. | Oct 10 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87, good evening | Oct 10 04:17 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, it's early morning here. :) | Oct 10 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | actually, it's 11:17 PM here | Oct 10 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 10 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | so I'm quite exhausted | Oct 10 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | I set up my laptop as a sort of "mobile command center" so I don't go stir crazy while I wait for my new badass desktop | Oct 10 04:18 |
| Omar87 | Cool! | Oct 10 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | had to clean the dust off it | Oct 10 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | 5 years old, only worked "OK" with XP | Oct 10 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | barely worked at all with Vista | Oct 10 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | the GPU chipset never worked with Linux til now, I installed Ubuntu Karmic from a daily image | Oct 10 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | I have Compiz now | Oct 10 04:20 |
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| DaemonFC | Karmic is using about half as much RAM as XP | Oct 10 04:20 |
| Omar87 | You mean less the XP? | Oct 10 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | seems like some bloat was worked out of GNOME since I tried it on here last time | Oct 10 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Oct 10 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | last time it actually used more RAM than XP and I had no GPU acceleration | Oct 10 04:21 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, I must say, Ubuntu has a loooooong way with this upcoming new release. | Oct 10 04:21 |
| Omar87 | It's insanely amazing! | Oct 10 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I moved my laptop over from XP | Oct 10 04:22 |
| Omar87 | has *gone* a loooong way.. | Oct 10 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | I've never really liked XP, it's main selling point was not being 98 when it was first out and not being Vista after 2006 | Oct 10 04:22 |
| Omar87 | I just can't wait to see how Vista 7 is going to do. This stupid KDE-clone is just being over over over exaggerated, imho. | Oct 10 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87, the new system has a free Windows 7 upgrade coupon thing | Oct 10 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | I'm only going to use it because of the obvious compatibility with other Windows stuff/users | Oct 10 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not enthusiastic about it | Oct 10 04:25 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, I know. That's their strategy to compete with Linux. | Oct 10 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | it's what I call the Microsoft Bear Hug | Oct 10 04:25 |
| Omar87 | Last monday there was this Microsoft event, when one of them Microsoft puppets came and start sprouting lies after lies about how Vista 7 being built according the "feedback" they received over the past couple of years. | Oct 10 04:27 |
| Omar87 | started* | Oct 10 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87, I was enthusiastic about Microsoft stuff at one point | Oct 10 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | that faded and withered and finally died with Vista | Oct 10 04:28 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, everybody was, at some certain level. | Oct 10 04:28 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, I can explain this enthusiasm is because at some, certain point ppl never knew anything other than MS. | Oct 10 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | I never can seem to get away from Windows totally | Oct 10 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | I try to spend less time in it | Oct 10 04:30 |
| Omar87 | I don't know, but it seemed as easy as totally removing Windows from my machine and never installing it again. :) | Oct 10 04:32 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87, I ignored it for a few years totally | Oct 10 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | then I got a new system and it could play newer games that Wine couldn't and so I got Vista for it :P | Oct 10 04:33 |
| Omar87 | Vista? For games? :D | Oct 10 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Oct 10 04:34 |
| Omar87 | lol! :) | Oct 10 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | Vista isn't so much of a drag on mega powerful systems | Oct 10 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | it murders lower end ones though | Oct 10 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | even mid grade | Oct 10 04:34 |
| Omar87 | That's right. | Oct 10 04:34 |
| Omar87 | Nothing can stand in the way of a new mega powerful system. | Oct 10 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87, It's like saying that putting 20% more weight in a car with an engine that's three times as powerful isn't going to be noticeable | Oct 10 04:35 |
| Omar87 | It's just that lots of resources will be wasted in a non-economical way. | Oct 10 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | but it may well kill a 4 cylinder | Oct 10 04:35 |
| Omar87 | That's true. | Oct 10 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | well, the bigger, faster, more powerful upgrade cycle is why nobody notices Windows getting slower | Oct 10 04:36 |
| Omar87 | agreed. | Oct 10 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | the new generation of hardware isn't made to be efficient, it's meant to be like a new muscle car | Oct 10 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu runs fine on this 5 year old budget laptop | Oct 10 04:37 |
| Omar87 | That's the typical Microsoft strategy of how to delude people into believing Winblows is becoming better, while actually it's become worse. | Oct 10 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | if Microsoft did this, nobody would buy more powerful hardware and they'd lose their OEM hardware partners | Oct 10 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | they keep the hardware guys happy, the hardware guys make Microsoft happy | Oct 10 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | the customer shells out $1,000 every 3-4 years | Oct 10 04:38 |
| Omar87 | I agree. | Oct 10 04:38 |
| Omar87 | Yup. | Oct 10 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | they trickle out new hardware in a slow steady cycle | Oct 10 04:39 |
| Omar87 | That's why I hate the corporate approach. | Oct 10 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | never stops | Oct 10 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | it's a treadmill that way | Oct 10 04:39 |
| Omar87 | exactly. | Oct 10 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | you're always falling further behind if you don't buy new upgrades every month | Oct 10 04:39 |
| Omar87 | Yes. | Oct 10 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | it's evil | Oct 10 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not saying I'd never buy a new faster system otherwise, but they have what should be a 6 year cycle down to a 3 year cycle | Oct 10 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | and companies like Dell/HP/Acer make the systems crippled so you need to throw the whole box away | Oct 10 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | some systems you can't even upgrade your GPU cause the case is so crammed together | Oct 10 04:41 |
| Omar87 | Will, you can say it's a weapon with to ends. But unfortunately, the evil end is the one used by most corporations. | Oct 10 04:41 |
| Omar87 | That's correct. | Oct 10 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | they also work to make software less efficient on purpose | Oct 10 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | that way it takes a faster system than it should | Oct 10 04:43 |
| Omar87 | So, basically that's why I just love Linux. You just won't need to upgrade you hardware every three years or so. | Oct 10 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | they get you on both ends | Oct 10 04:43 |
| Omar87 | Exactly. | Oct 10 04:43 |
| Omar87 | I wish people would just realize this conspiracy. :) | Oct 10 04:44 |
| Omar87 | That's why I hate MS and I hate their social events. | Oct 10 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | well, video games are not getting "better" enough to compensate for the kind of hardware they take to run vs several years ago | Oct 10 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | that's the most obvious | Oct 10 04:44 |
| Omar87 | agreed. | Oct 10 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | they talk a lot about better AI, better physics, better graphics | Oct 10 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | but every 10% those improve, they need 50% more system power | Oct 10 04:45 |
| Omar87 | true. | Oct 10 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | it's one of the reasons PC gaming is dying, especially in bad economic times | Oct 10 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | a console is a 5 year cycle and is guaranteed to run all the games out for it | Oct 10 04:47 |
| Omar87 | I hate it when show you some feature as though it's originally made by them, while it's been on KDE for years now! | Oct 10 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | I don't like the fake press releases | Oct 10 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | like the "128-bit Windows 8" rumor they leaked | Oct 10 04:48 |
| Omar87 | 128-bit CPU. :) | Oct 10 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | won't happen by 2012 | Oct 10 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | they also leaked a rumor that Windows 8 would be out in 2012 | Oct 10 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | I don't see an X86-128 migration any time soon | Oct 10 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | most Windows software is still 32-bit X86 | Oct 10 04:49 |
| Omar87 | See? Even if it was true. it would only mean: "Well, the upcoming Windows will not run on any of your machines so prepare a huge bunch of loot to be able to buy the new system, along with a whole new 128-bit CPU computer." | Oct 10 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they wouldn't do that | Oct 10 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | their scheme falls apart if they majorly piss everyone off all at once | Oct 10 04:51 |
| Omar87 | That's why Linux is the OS of the future now. It doesn't lie to it's users. | Oct 10 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Windows pisses me off in many ways | Oct 10 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | it's an abusive relationship that you have a hard time getting out of | Oct 10 04:52 |
| Omar87 | Exactly, I totally agree. | Oct 10 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | most sexually transmitted diseases are easier to get rid of | Oct 10 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Oct 10 04:53 |
| Omar87 | lol! :) | Oct 10 04:53 |
| *Omar87 has got to run. | Oct 10 04:55 | |
| *Omar87 see y'all again soon. | Oct 10 04:55 | |
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| DaemonFC | the tylenol just kicked in | Oct 10 06:28 |
| DaemonFC | I may want to get to bed while the getting is good | Oct 10 06:28 |
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| ziggyfish | http://mcpmag.com/blogs/certifiable/2009/10/ms-legal-eagles.aspx interesting | Oct 10 07:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/09/cern_physicist_arrested/ "An atomic physicist who worked at the European Organization for Nuclear Research for six years has been arrested on suspicion he had links to an Al Qaeda affiliate in North Africa." | Oct 10 08:19 |
| schestowitz | ziggyfish: thanks | Oct 10 08:19 |
| schestowitz | I didn't notice that one | Oct 10 08:19 |
| schestowitz | I'll post links shortly | Oct 10 08:20 |
| ziggyfish | schestowitz, No problem | Oct 10 08:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1558038/microsoft-scraps-works | Oct 10 08:24 |
| ziggyfish | They must be runnuing out of software to scrap | Oct 10 08:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/stallman-slams-microsoft-s-codeplex-foundation-2034 "A Microsoft spokesman told eWEEK Europe that it would comment on statements by Richard Stallman or the Free Software Foundation in general." | Oct 10 08:27 |
| schestowitz | They probably meant "would NOT" | Oct 10 08:27 |
| cubezzz | yeah, that's what I was thinking | Oct 10 08:31 |
| ziggyfish | brb | Oct 10 08:32 |
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| cubezzz | Stallman thinks ahead | Oct 10 08:33 |
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| cubezzz | I'm pretty much on my guard on anything to do with Microsoft | Oct 10 08:35 |
| cubezzz | it's an automatic thing now | Oct 10 08:35 |
| cubezzz | Stallman has another advantage too, he was never part of the windows world | Oct 10 08:37 |
| cubezzz | he predates it, and has excellent operating system knowledge from an earlier computer era | Oct 10 08:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/442-install-the-kde-432-on-ubuntu-904 | Oct 10 08:45 |
| schestowitz | Why Aren't Mozilla and Opera Vocal About Microsoft's EU Settlement Offer? http://ostatic.com/blog/why-arent-mozilla-and-opera-vocal-about-microsofts-eu-settlement-offer | Oct 10 08:47 |
| schestowitz | New kde4 theme: http://pinheiro-kde.blogspot.com/2009/10/small-post-for-not-so-small-screenshot.html | Oct 10 08:52 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Banking from the Desktop? Use #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/aaQYQ http://bit.ly/MkBBd | Oct 10 09:20 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Sony Vaio Laptops to Comes with #Linux Preinstalled (on Board) http://bit.ly/1E2y2z | Oct 10 09:21 | |
| cubezzz | thinking about getting one of these: | Oct 10 09:23 |
| cubezzz | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/PlatHome-OpenBlockS-600/ | Oct 10 09:23 |
| schestowitz | It's overrated | Oct 10 09:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mainframes with #GNU #Linux Still Commonplace, Windows Dying in Large Computers http://www.expresscomputeronline.com/20091012/market07 ... | Oct 10 09:24 | |
| cubezzz | hmmm | Oct 10 09:25 |
| cubezzz | a little pricey too | Oct 10 09:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Cloudera #GNU #Linux Distribution Hits the Desktop http://bit.ly/dHsY5 | Oct 10 09:27 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Version of #Wine Released, Better #Windows Compatibility Than #Vista7 ? http://www.winehq.org/announce/1.1.31 | Oct 10 09:36 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Cisco Prizes and #KDE Prizes Handed Out http://bit.ly/dYqLu http://bit.ly/LGLKV | Oct 10 09:47 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #XServer 1.8.0 Release Scheduled, xf86-video-radeonhd 1.3.0 is Out http://bit.ly/YqXuZ http://bit.ly/l2CXY #linux | Oct 10 09:48 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] K Desktop Environment Gets New Theme, More 3-D Effects http://bit.ly/gn0ak http://bit.ly/GkbNn http://bit.ly/jBqPc | Oct 10 09:52 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Decided to get a free .tk (why not) my thoughts are now also at www.openbytes.tk | Oct 10 09:58 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandriva Improves Partitioning and 2010 Version Comes Soon http://bit.ly/GEIhV http://bit.ly/36kXcd | Oct 10 09:58 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu Gets New Community Council http://bit.ly/zNj72 | Oct 10 10:00 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell Speaks About New #GNU #Linux Offerings http://bit.ly/wSx9p http://bit.ly/15BDR9 | Oct 10 10:01 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I signed the "Mahmoud Abbas Resignation" petition! http://petol.org/noabbas #petol | Oct 10 10:02 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Visual Glimpse at #Ubuntu GNU/Linux 9.10 http://bit.ly/Mz6Bd http://bit.ly/5hdP8 http://bit.ly/jqkt3 | Oct 10 10:03 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Early Reports from #Ubuntu GNU/Linux 9.10 (Beta) http://bit.ly/3q7hQz http://ryanorser.com/wordpress/?p=960 | Oct 10 10:04 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux -based #Nokia #N900 Accumulates Feedback, Keeps Stack Open http://bit.ly/zSlv7 http://bit.ly/3sOxBU http://bit.ly/135uYL | Oct 10 10:13 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Interview with #Bazaar 's Martin Pool Covers the New Release http://bit.ly/1cHj06 | Oct 10 10:27 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenOffice.org Makes New Builds Available, Adds Search Toolbar http://bit.ly/4n5AYj http://bit.ly/44f9Vd http://bit.ly/10LZyf | Oct 10 10:28 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Changes Revenue Modes, Increases Innovation http://www.adventuresinoss.com/?p=1141 http://bit.ly/1vclWn | Oct 10 10:33 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RichardStallman Says It Like it is http://bit.ly/4bYD1m http://www.daniweb.com/news/story228904.html | Oct 10 10:35 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #nuBuilder Chooses the #GPLv3 http://www.nubuilder.com/nubuilderwww/ | Oct 10 10:37 | |
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| fewa | cubezzz, yes too pricy | Oct 10 10:45 |
| fewa | look at openRD | Oct 10 10:45 |
| fewa | http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-24-openrd-client-openrd-client-board-with-enclosure.aspx | Oct 10 10:46 |
| fewa | even has eSATA | Oct 10 10:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Children in the UK Brainwash by Intellectual Monopolies Thuggery http://bit.ly/bvyU1 | Oct 10 10:48 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies Illegalise Photography http://bit.ly/6T0Br http://bit.ly/qEZZK | Oct 10 10:51 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Apple's Love of #swpat Harms the Web, #DVDJon Takes on #Apple http://bit.ly/8xz5k http://bit.ly/FaB2s | Oct 10 10:52 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Sarkozy instigates mass #copyright infringement of DVD http://ur1.ca/d8rp three strikes you out? | Oct 10 10:54 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Occupies Yet Another eReader, Microsoft Gives Up http://bit.ly/7qiqg http://bit.ly/ChdmX | Oct 10 11:03 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Scammed Over Vista Launch 'Parties' http://bit.ly/Bcha4 | Oct 10 11:04 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft -- While Borrowing Money -- Fires Its #Lawyers http://bit.ly/YhEgk http://bit.ly/qgswZ | Oct 10 11:06 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Makes Its Licences More Complicated on Purpose http://bit.ly/3r0rRC via @sjvn | Oct 10 11:09 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple 's iPhone Not as Successful as Artificial Hype Suggests http://techdirt.com/articles/20091008/0015106456.shtml | Oct 10 11:10 | |
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| fewa | meh | Oct 10 11:44 |
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| schestowitz | L00ns. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8L-tgpbluQ&feature=related | Oct 10 12:13 |
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| schestowitz | I've just watched the whole thing. Why is the BBC feeding them? | Oct 10 12:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #Ubuntu #Cola! :P http://bit.ly/Dg2Bs | Oct 10 12:13 | |
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| schestowitz | Kille Coke | Oct 10 12:14 |
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| schestowitz | For some reason it's linked to some LSD material. It figures. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzq_sBsjbAU&feature=related | Oct 10 12:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10372359-245.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20 | Oct 10 12:29 |
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| schestowitz | Weird | Oct 10 12:31 |
| schestowitz | I had to restart apache | Oct 10 12:31 |
| schestowitz | tessier: apache was not serving for maybe about 15 minutes (or more), running "apachectl restart" solved it | Oct 10 12:32 |
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| trmanco | still on apache 1.3? | Oct 10 12:56 |
| trmanco | let me head^ you | Oct 10 12:56 |
| trmanco | meh forget it. | Oct 10 12:58 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] The #OOXML misery: A quick flashback at how #Microsoft stabbed #Freedom in the back. | Oct 10 13:07 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] The #OOXML misery: A quick flashback at how #Microsoft stabbed #Freedom in the back. http://bit.ly/2ybgEC | Oct 10 13:10 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] The #OOXML misery: A quick flashback at how #Microsoft stabbed #Freedom in the back. http://bit.ly/2ybgEC | Oct 10 13:14 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6/dscf0466.jpg | Oct 10 14:04 |
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| DaemonFC | right arm and left arm as of day 12 (yesterday) | Oct 10 14:05 |
| schestowitz | Ouch | Oct 10 14:05 |
| schestowitz | Sorry to hear it | Oct 10 14:05 |
| schestowitz | Have there been no incidents since those two? | Oct 10 14:06 |
| DaemonFC | meh, just a long recovery | Oct 10 14:06 |
| schestowitz | So statistically, it's possible that it won't happen again | Oct 10 14:06 |
| schestowitz | Maybe something that passed | Oct 10 14:06 |
| schestowitz | How far apart were the two? | Oct 10 14:06 |
| DaemonFC | unable to move pretty much for 2 days after, had to have help to turn in bed, had to use a pitcher to take a leak | Oct 10 14:06 |
| DaemonFC | lots of pain, was taking darvocets, aleve, and icy hot for about a week and that was just dulling it | Oct 10 14:07 |
| DaemonFC | felt woozy for about 10 days | Oct 10 14:07 |
| DaemonFC | slept a lot for the first week | Oct 10 14:07 |
| DaemonFC | still some pain, but tylenol and icy hot cover it for the most part now, no narcotics in about 4 days | Oct 10 14:08 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, about an hour and a half | Oct 10 14:08 |
| schestowitz | Ah. | Oct 10 14:08 |
| DaemonFC | enough time to get to the ER to have the other one | Oct 10 14:08 |
| schestowitz | So it's almost like one incident | Oct 10 14:08 |
| DaemonFC | well, the day before, I was having visual disturbances | Oct 10 14:08 |
| schestowitz | Nerves not getting signals through? | Oct 10 14:09 |
| schestowitz | Did you do drugs? | Oct 10 14:09 |
| DaemonFC | like an aura before a migraine, but I've had migraines before, so I popped some excedrin migraine pills and thought nothing more of it | Oct 10 14:09 |
| schestowitz | Ah. | Oct 10 14:09 |
| schestowitz | Drugs... pills | Oct 10 14:09 |
| DaemonFC | it was like kaleidoscope vision, each one would last about 20 seconds and disappear | Oct 10 14:09 |
| schestowitz | Joining the 'experiments' of pharmas | Oct 10 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | total thing lasted about two hours | Oct 10 14:10 |
| schestowitz | That's why I avoid all those medical narcotics... they test them on populations in poor countries | Oct 10 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I don't care who makes them | Oct 10 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | I would have taken Vioxx if I had some | Oct 10 14:11 |
| DaemonFC | you just really don't appreciate that kind of pain I guess | Oct 10 14:11 |
| DaemonFC | trust me that if you had any kind of major surgery, accident, etc., you'd do anything to make it go away if there was enough pain | Oct 10 14:11 |
| DaemonFC | or I suppose you may argue that a diabetic that would die without insulin is being evil by buying and using insulin | Oct 10 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | plenty of people can't live without a pacemaker or heart pills | Oct 10 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | where do you stop? | Oct 10 14:13 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, There are drugs that have bad side effects, but people on the whole tend to be weenies | Oct 10 14:15 |
| DaemonFC | it's like why they watered down birth control pills to where they don't work anymore because there was a little evidence to support a case that they may cause health problems in 0.01% of patients | Oct 10 14:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] It turns out that identica now has Twitter integration (ish) | Oct 10 14:15 | |
| DaemonFC | people are weenies | Oct 10 14:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I might stop using ping.fm. This is made redundant by changes in identica. | Oct 10 14:16 | |
| DaemonFC | what I would like to see, really, is some REAL, demonstrable, repeatable, empirical, scientific evidence that any of this so called "alternative medicine" works | Oct 10 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | cause it doesn't, and people that put their kids on vitamins and herbs and deny them real treatment are just as bad as those families who deny treatment and pray | Oct 10 14:17 |
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| DaemonFC | prayer is about as effective as alternative medicine, and they about tie with placebo | Oct 10 14:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] !identica did some very fine job adding new features that I've only just discovered. | Oct 10 14:18 | |
| DaemonFC | denying real medical care in favor of either is child abuse | Oct 10 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | I'd support murder charges if the kid died in either case | Oct 10 14:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Just finished decorating my #Blogspot blog: http://omarsflosscorner.blogspot.com/ | Oct 10 14:19 | |
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| DaemonFC | it's been proven that these people are con artists, time and time again, but surfing the channels, there's at least five channels for charlatans like Benny Hinn and infomercials selling vitamins and herbs | Oct 10 14:20 |
| schestowitz | I heard bad stories of side effects from people whom I know online | Oct 10 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | and since there's a lot of idiot cross over, you have Christian Televangelists like Pat Robertson selling "age defying protein pancakes" | Oct 10 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Quacks in suits | Oct 10 14:21 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, hey. | Oct 10 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Oct 10 14:21 |
| schestowitz | I've found a way to improve postings to identica | Oct 10 14:21 |
| schestowitz | There's also themes there now | Oct 10 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Sorts | Oct 10 14:21 |
| schestowitz | *Sorta | Oct 10 14:21 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/schestowitz | Oct 10 14:21 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, check out my new blogspot layout: http://omarsflosscorner.blogspot.com/ | Oct 10 14:21 |
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| schestowitz | I put a bg pic | Oct 10 14:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Rocknerd: 20 years on, woman finally deciphers meaning of mix tape. http://rocknerd.co.uk/?p=621 | Oct 10 14:21 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, really, a good diet and not smoking go a long way | Oct 10 14:21 |
| DaemonFC | all by themselves | Oct 10 14:22 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: nice. Better than all-black | Oct 10 14:22 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, added. | Oct 10 14:22 |
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| schestowitz | oh wait | Oct 10 14:22 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: the quoted text cannot be read. the fg colour is same as bg | Oct 10 14:22 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, really? I'll fix that right away. | Oct 10 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | I've been trying to at least get my cholesterol, triglycerides, and weight down | Oct 10 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | just not eating as much red meat and fried stuff has already produced results | Oct 10 14:23 |
| schestowitz | How did you get unhealthy at your age? | Oct 10 14:23 |
| schestowitz | You're already on so many drugs, AFAICT | Oct 10 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | easily | Oct 10 14:24 |
| *amarsh04 was able to compile the new radeonhd driver 1.3.0 fine, but drm and experimental 3D support in mesa didn't work out | Oct 10 14:24 | |
| DaemonFC | nope | Oct 10 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | I worked bad jobs that caused tons of stress for years | Oct 10 14:24 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I was watching this LCD documentary earlier | Oct 10 14:24 |
| schestowitz | About 1 hour | Oct 10 14:24 |
| schestowitz | About how it drove people mad | Oct 10 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | and I started taking it out on myself with poor diet, too little sleep, and smoking | Oct 10 14:24 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Actually they are not the same, the text is colored in a degree of blue that makes invisible over gray. | Oct 10 14:24 |
| schestowitz | There a fine line between medical use (controlled) and lethal | Oct 10 14:24 |
| schestowitz | The body knows best how to manage chemistry | Oct 10 14:25 |
| *amarsh04 is happily using a second-hand crt monitor | Oct 10 14:25 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I'm not a junkie looking for a fix | Oct 10 14:25 |
| schestowitz | So you took drugs for stress? | Oct 10 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Bad mistake | Oct 10 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | I was in severe pain, probably the worst in my life | Oct 10 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Many Ameircans are addicted to it | Oct 10 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | and I took prescription pain killers for a week | Oct 10 14:25 |
| schestowitz | And I know people who hate the pharmas with passions for ruining their lives this way | Oct 10 14:25 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: LSD I meant :-) | Oct 10 14:26 |
| schestowitz | Not LCD | Oct 10 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | the cigarette companies need to be outlawed first | Oct 10 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | no benefit, only causing disease and death | Oct 10 14:26 |
| amarsh04 | hehehe schestowitz | Oct 10 14:26 |
| schestowitz | I watched it on the LCD though | Oct 10 14:26 |
| schestowitz | Maybe that's why I got it wrong | Oct 10 14:27 |
| *schestowitz types this on a CRT | Oct 10 14:27 | |
| P|scean | amarsh04, so am I.. running at 1920x1440 | Oct 10 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | I've always hated CRTs | Oct 10 14:27 |
| amarsh04 | only 1024*768 here, but that's fine | Oct 10 14:27 |
| P|scean | i hate crappy crts.. this one is nice | Oct 10 14:28 |
| P|scean | 20 inch, flat | Oct 10 14:28 |
| P|scean | whatever works | Oct 10 14:29 |
| bozo_ | LCD's use alot less power, I noticed a drop in my power bill when I switched to LCDs | Oct 10 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I may well have had three more of them if the doctor hadn't injected me with dilantin | Oct 10 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | he may even have saved my life at the rate things were going that day | Oct 10 14:31 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: CRTs do better resolution | Oct 10 14:32 |
| amarsh04 | I switch the crt monitor off mechanically when it's not in use | Oct 10 14:32 |
| schestowitz | One CRT here does 2500px (width) | Oct 10 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | maybe the really high end epensive ones | Oct 10 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | and you still need a huge screen before it maters | Oct 10 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | enjoy your $500 150 pound display | Oct 10 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | sheesh | Oct 10 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | *matters | Oct 10 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | I hate CRTs, I hate everything about them, I will never own another one | Oct 10 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | if I do anything besides LCD, it may be LED | Oct 10 14:33 |
| schestowitz | crts are hard to carry | Oct 10 14:34 |
| schestowitz | I have 3 here | Oct 10 14:34 |
| schestowitz | Main one a LCD | Oct 10 14:34 |
| DaemonFC | hard to carry, hard to look at | Oct 10 14:34 |
| DaemonFC | bulky | Oct 10 14:34 |
| schestowitz | Cathode tubes go bad after a while | Oct 10 14:34 |
| DaemonFC | that too | Oct 10 14:35 |
| schestowitz | If one goes bad, it's done | Oct 10 14:35 |
| DaemonFC | and not necessarily all at once | Oct 10 14:35 |
| DaemonFC | there you go, radiation | Oct 10 14:35 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 10 14:35 |
| schestowitz | That too | Oct 10 14:35 |
| P|scean | its still fun playing first person shooters (quake 3 for example) at 2048x1536 at 75hz :P | Oct 10 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | not worth the hassle of having a CRT | Oct 10 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | my games run just fine at 1680 x 1050 | Oct 10 14:39 |
| P|scean | it is when your too poor for an lcd heh | Oct 10 14:39 |
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| DaemonFC | the cheapies only run a little over $100 | Oct 10 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | mine was like $200, last year | Oct 10 14:40 |
| DaemonFC | I have to drive across town today to the bank | Oct 10 14:40 |
| DaemonFC | ugggh | Oct 10 14:40 |
| DaemonFC | haven't driven since the seizures | Oct 10 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | knowing my luck I'll have one in the car | Oct 10 14:41 |
| bozo_ | im using a 22in SAMSUNG lcd and it's the best one ive ever had, lost A$160 | Oct 10 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | 24" Westinghouse | Oct 10 14:41 |
| bozo_ | nice | Oct 10 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | I got it at Best Buy before their anti-Linux ordeal | Oct 10 14:42 |
| DaemonFC | when Warlord Bush rained down $300-$600 on everyone | Oct 10 14:42 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Stupidity is its own reward http://is.gd/4c0pi HT @picturecool | Oct 10 14:42 | |
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| DaemonFC | I wasn't gonna send back free money :P | Oct 10 14:43 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, How about now? http://omarsflosscorner.blogspot.com/ | Oct 10 14:43 |
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| DaemonFC | I need to switch banks | Oct 10 14:43 |
| DaemonFC | they closed down the branch on this side of town, I just never usually HAVE to go inside | Oct 10 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | anyway, bbl | Oct 10 14:44 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, tyt | Oct 10 14:44 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #ie6 - accept no compromise. http://imgur.com/WYmFt HT @picturecool | Oct 10 15:01 | |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: much better. | Oct 10 15:21 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, thanks. | Oct 10 15:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] You see to be using Internet Explorer 6... http://imgur.com/WYmFt.png | Oct 10 15:25 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] You seem to be using Internet Explorer 6... http://post.ly/7zQn | Oct 10 15:25 | |
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| trmanco | twitshare uses silverlie | Oct 10 15:29 |
| trmanco | http://twitshare.net/ | Oct 10 15:29 |
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| trmanco | I can't see a picture of a friend of mine because of that crap | Oct 10 15:30 |
| Omar87 | trmanco, or silverblight. :) | Oct 10 15:31 |
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| trmanco | it's not a picture | Oct 10 15:32 |
| trmanco | it's a file | Oct 10 15:32 |
| trmanco | I can see where this is getting | Oct 10 15:32 |
| trmanco | *compressed file | Oct 10 15:32 |
| trmanco | you need silverlight to download a file now... how stupid | Oct 10 15:33 |
| Omar87 | trmanco, by the way. Any fresh Silverblight-related posts? (Not necessarily on BN) | Oct 10 15:33 |
| trmanco | no, not that i've read at least | Oct 10 15:34 |
| trmanco | http://identi.ca/notice/11745074 | Oct 10 15:34 |
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| trmanco | interesting | Oct 10 15:34 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Showing off Karmic at Surrey/Hants LUG meeting \o/ | Oct 10 15:47 | |
| schestowitz | trmanco: he lumps me in with the FSF. Just ignore the troll. | Oct 10 15:49 |
| *Diablo-D3 has quit ("do coders dream of sheep()?") | Oct 10 15:50 | |
| DaemonFC | ugggh | Oct 10 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Comcast owns most of QVC | Oct 10 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | so I effectively bought my new system from Comcast :P | Oct 10 16:02 |
| schestowitz | You don't have much choice where you live | Oct 10 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | meh, not if I wanted financing | Oct 10 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | I've never paid interest for anything | Oct 10 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | if I didn't pay it for my car, I'll be damned if I agree to interest on a computer | Oct 10 16:08 |
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| DaemonFC | I've taken two extra strength tylenol and two extra strength aleve | Oct 10 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | and I'm still a bit achy :P | Oct 10 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | nothing like it was though | Oct 10 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to go see if a hot shower helps me for a few hours again, brb | Oct 10 16:47 |
| _Hicham_ | hi senor schestowitz | Oct 10 16:54 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Oct 10 16:57 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: guess what this is http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/1927/dscf0469.jpg http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6/dscf0466.jpg | Oct 10 16:57 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell VP Brushes Off Microsoft’s Attacks on GNU/Linux, Promotes .NET http://ping.fm/kz2Ra | Oct 10 16:57 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockall | Oct 10 17:22 |
| phIRCe | Title: Rockall - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 132.09 KB | Oct 10 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | that's pretty funny, disputing which country owns a rock | Oct 10 17:22 |
| schestowitz | !google the rock | Oct 10 17:31 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Dwayne Johnson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwayne_Johnson | Oct 10 17:31 |
| phIRCe | [2] - The Rock (1996) | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117500/ | Oct 10 17:31 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Dwayne Johnson (I) | http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0425005/ | Oct 10 17:31 |
| phIRCe | [4] - WWE: Superstars > WWE Alumni > The Rock | http://www.wwe.com/superstars/wwealumni/therock/ | Oct 10 17:31 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ECIS on the #Patent Licensing Paradox, #Microsoft Confesses Licensing Tricks http://bit.ly/2wZpWE | Oct 10 17:31 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/10/september-2009-browser-stats-ie-sees-biggest-drop-yet.ars | Oct 10 17:35 |
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| DaemonFC | IE is finally under 2/3rds | Oct 10 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | my mom is really after me to find her a netbook for whatever reason | Oct 10 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | I've already said whatever she does, DON'T GET XP, lol | Oct 10 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | I can't believe anyone is still selling XP, lots of people won't keep a car that old | Oct 10 17:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Guy in shop: "What's that on your T-shirt", Me: "A heron", him: "I've seen that before", Me: "Ubuntu desktop?", him: "Oh yeah!" | Oct 10 17:54 | |
| DaemonFC | well, I like Ubuntu Karmic | Oct 10 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | it almost makes this old laptop usable again | Oct 10 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | it's limited by my hardware though, anything I run on here is, but Vista just murders it | Oct 10 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | I timed Vista Basic startup, when HP sent me the express upgrade disc | Oct 10 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | Vista takes over 4 minutes just to boot up on this thing | Oct 10 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | I toyed with it for about 10 minutes, couldn't get it to do anything I needed, and ducked back to XP | Oct 10 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | Vista was just unbelievably, undeniably shitty, and still people like Pirillo show up in their MS hats and recommend it to people | Oct 10 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure it worked great on his $3,000 computer | Oct 10 17:59 |
| MinceR | you mean it booted on the $5000 laptop he received gratis from m$? :> | Oct 10 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | more than likely, MinceR | Oct 10 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | painting my arms with more icy hot | Oct 10 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | now I think I know how arthritis feels | Oct 10 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I probably never will buy a system that totals more than $1,000 | Oct 10 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | I just don't see why I would | Oct 10 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Software is the biggest scam in history | Oct 10 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | a new video game is $60 or so and wants a $500 video card | Oct 10 18:11 |
| MinceR | you mean selling sw licenses? | Oct 10 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | next year it's $30 and needs a $150 card | Oct 10 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | two years in, it's a $10 jewel case that runs on a $70 card | Oct 10 18:12 |
| MinceR | so? | Oct 10 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | if that | Oct 10 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | so let the idiots buy the expensive hardware and pay the $60 a copy for the game | Oct 10 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | I'll find it on the jewel case and love it just as much for $10 later on | Oct 10 18:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Kids are shipped off to inlaws, wifey makes Eton Mess, I'm on IRC. Nothing changes. | Oct 10 18:12 | |
| DaemonFC | I used to be like that | Oct 10 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | I paid $60 for Microsoft's Age of Empires like back in 2003 | Oct 10 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | errrr, age of mythology that is | Oct 10 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | not it's in a combo pack with age of empires I and II, all the expansion packs, and the AoM expansion packs | Oct 10 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | $10 | Oct 10 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | if you bought it all for what it came out for, the set would have been like over $300 | Oct 10 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | then there's the collection packs that you have to buy even though you own all the games cause the collector pack runs on the latest Windows even though the old box sets were never patched | Oct 10 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | they love doing shit like that to you | Oct 10 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | EA especially | Oct 10 18:17 |
| *amarsh04 has a new voip handset, works fine, but doesn't understand daylight saving time for its clock display, so you can either have the time synched by ntp to one hour slow or disable ntp and have the clock time drift | Oct 10 18:18 | |
| amarsh04 | even on proprietary unix, one could download the olsen timezone files, customise them if necessary and compile them using zicbin to have one's time zones correct | Oct 10 18:19 |
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| DaemonFC | proprietary UNIX is/was hell on wheels | Oct 10 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | UNIX is a very loose term instead of a well defined system mainly because of all the various corporate and educational and later FOSS flavors | Oct 10 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | it's still frustrating and incompatible with itself as it has ever been | Oct 10 18:31 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : beware | Oct 10 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | beware of pseudo-standards presenting themselves as a solid foundation | Oct 10 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | beware of Greeks bearing gifts | Oct 10 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | never eat anything bigger than your head | Oct 10 18:34 |
| _Hicham_ | never troll till u get sick | Oct 10 18:35 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] This is wierd. Wifey is telling me why Ubuntu is better than Windows. Parallel universe. | Oct 10 18:35 | |
| _Hicham_ | Ubuntu is better than Windows, for sure | Oct 10 18:37 |
| _Hicham_ | because it has less privacy and security problems | Oct 10 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | switching from/to any OS is just horse trading | Oct 10 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | you'll get different problems | Oct 10 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | maybe more, maybe less, maybe some frustrate you more or less | Oct 10 18:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s #Vista7 Schwag/Bribe Resold on #eBay http://bit.ly/qGeJA | Oct 10 18:39 | |
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| MinceR | i prefer pseudo-standards to lack of standards :> | Oct 10 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The Microsoft vs FOSS argument is flawed because it's just asking if you want a dictator or a bumbling bureaucracy | Oct 10 18:47 |
| MinceR | i don't see how | Oct 10 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | there's no good option, there's just what happens to work well enough at the moment for you | Oct 10 18:47 |
| MinceR | no, there's an extremely bad option and one that isn't quite so bad and can improve | Oct 10 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | KHRONOS Group is a good example of bumbling bureaucrats | Oct 10 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | and a standard that is aging poorly | Oct 10 18:48 |
| MinceR | not all FLOSS projects are like that | Oct 10 18:48 |
| MinceR | also, that standard is in a bad shape because m$ diverts attention from it | Oct 10 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | then you get FOSS software that may as well be proprietary | Oct 10 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | they allow like 5-6 developers to work on it and if you want to make it not suck, you can only do that if you can maintain a fork | Oct 10 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | (Pidgin) | Oct 10 18:49 |
| _Hicham_ | wrong | Oct 10 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | or drivers that don't exist because of lack of interest or obfuscated hardware (most TV tuners) | Oct 10 18:50 |
| _Hicham_ | FOSS is for everyone that have skills | Oct 10 18:50 |
| trmanco | Executable: kopete PID: 3288 Signal: 6 (Aborted) | Oct 10 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | so you go with Windows, pay hundreds of dollars, and get DRM | Oct 10 18:50 |
| trmanco | oops | Oct 10 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | not good either | Oct 10 18:50 |
| trmanco | it crashed with no user interaction | Oct 10 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | I don't really think there is an "innovative/enabling" "platform" out there | Oct 10 18:51 |
| _Hicham_ | trmanco : Kopete is great ... | Oct 10 18:51 |
| trmanco | it is | Oct 10 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | companies fuck you over through greed, and FOSS never implements support at all | Oct 10 18:51 |
| trmanco | I didn't say it wasn't | Oct 10 18:51 |
| _Hicham_ | it is the only Multiprotocol Messenger to support webcam for MSN and Yahoo for ages | Oct 10 18:52 |
| trmanco | it doesn't support msn | Oct 10 18:52 |
| trmanco | but it does support yahoo | Oct 10 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | it's enough to make you want to cuss and spit | Oct 10 18:52 |
| _Hicham_ | trmanco : it does | Oct 10 18:52 |
| trmanco | I can't find it | Oct 10 18:52 |
| trmanco | where? | Oct 10 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | when you're a user and your choice is piss poor or piss poor and the only difference is the reason behind why the product is piss poor | Oct 10 18:53 |
| trmanco | I can find the entry for yahoo account | Oct 10 18:53 |
| trmanco | accounts* | Oct 10 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose it's easier to ding Windows for being piss poor since it's also expensive | Oct 10 18:53 |
| _Hicham_ | trmanco : I was using back with ubuntu 7.10 | Oct 10 18:53 |
| trmanco | yeah | Oct 10 18:53 |
| trmanco | kde 3.5 | Oct 10 18:53 |
| _Hicham_ | trmanco : so I don't know about current version | Oct 10 18:53 |
| _Hicham_ | trmanco : exactly | Oct 10 18:53 |
| trmanco | don't forget it has been rewritten to wt4 | Oct 10 18:53 |
| _Hicham_ | so MSN is dropped ? | Oct 10 18:54 |
| _Hicham_ | I can't believe that | Oct 10 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | MSN is rebranded | Oct 10 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | WLM | Oct 10 18:54 |
| trmanco | I can't find the webcam entry for msn | Oct 10 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | kause kopete doesn't ksupport it, komrade | Oct 10 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Oct 10 18:54 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: what does it take to maintain a fork? | Oct 10 18:54 |
| MinceR | you preted as if that was a major feat | Oct 10 18:55 |
| MinceR | it isn't | Oct 10 18:55 |
| _Hicham_ | trmanco : u don't see any cam icon in chat window ? | Oct 10 18:55 |
| trmanco | no | Oct 10 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Well, you need to make sure yours stays compatible with theirs, which may limit what you can do | Oct 10 18:55 |
| MinceR | actually i don't | Oct 10 18:55 |
| MinceR | it's a chice | Oct 10 18:55 |
| trmanco | yahoo has the webcam entries | Oct 10 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | or you can break compatibility and end up with two projects which may never merge again | Oct 10 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | which is bad | Oct 10 18:55 |
| trmanco | msn has not, yet | Oct 10 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | nothing on Linux supports Windows Live Messenger (MSN) webcam | Oct 10 18:56 |
| trmanco | xmpp doesn't have the webcam entries either | Oct 10 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | you might try and see if aMSN works again | Oct 10 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | it was broken by the Windows Live Messenger 14.x upgrade | Oct 10 18:57 |
| trmanco | msn afaik always had worked | Oct 10 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | though two aMSN users can still cam over WLM protocol | Oct 10 18:57 |
| trmanco | but I hate a client that support only a protocol | Oct 10 18:57 |
| trmanco | I need to burn up my ram memory with other apps | Oct 10 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | meh, suit yourself | Oct 10 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | welcome to my world | Oct 10 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | Pidgin is an anti-*nix app | Oct 10 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | Do everything and do it all just a little wrong | Oct 10 18:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Has Won the #Ereaders ‘War’ as #Microsoft CEO Calls it Quits http://bit.ly/F9wtF | Oct 10 18:58 | |
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| DaemonFC | it's why on Windows, I just use Windows Live Messenger | Oct 10 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | I merged all the Yahoo contacts I cared about into my WLM list | Oct 10 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | btw, those show up if you use aMSN | Oct 10 18:59 |
| trmanco | I don't either Windows or Pidgin | Oct 10 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Oct 10 18:59 |
| trmanco | they also show up if you connect to your yahoo account | Oct 10 19:00 |
| trmanco | if you have any | Oct 10 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | Yahoo is dying | Oct 10 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | I just bombed everyone on there with invites to my Windows Live list | Oct 10 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not pissing around with Yahoo Messenger anymore | Oct 10 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | not worth it | Oct 10 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | Yahoo Messenger is bloated spamware | Oct 10 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | easily swallows 128 megs or more of RAM | Oct 10 19:01 |
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| DaemonFC | if you sacrificed the RAM it takes to run two copies of Windows 2000, Yahoo may still not be able to load your friend list | Oct 10 19:02 |
| trmanco | I'm just talking about the protocol | Oct 10 19:02 |
| trmanco | well | Oct 10 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I don't do Pidgin | Oct 10 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | even on Linux now I suppose | Oct 10 19:03 |
| trmanco | I've finally reached the 500+ megabytes of ram consumption in FF 3.5 | Oct 10 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | Empathy improved to the point that it supports WLM and Yahoo at least as well as Pidgin | Oct 10 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | so I'm using that | Oct 10 19:03 |
| trmanco | Google Wave is heavy :D | Oct 10 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | my laptop only has 896 megs of RAM after throwing 128 at the integrated GPU | Oct 10 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | so even saving 10-15 megs is a good thing if possible | Oct 10 19:04 |
| trmanco | and then we have some flash apps that make Firefox eat even more | Oct 10 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | playing flash video revs up my fan | Oct 10 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | it's annoying | Oct 10 19:04 |
| trmanco | never tried empathy | Oct 10 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | Empathy in GNOME 2.28 final is what I'm using right now | Oct 10 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | I thought I'd have to kill Empathy and get Pidgin back, but it's improved enough that I won't | Oct 10 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | Indicator Applet is also revised | Oct 10 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | it does stuff now | Oct 10 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | (Ubuntu Karmic | Oct 10 19:05 |
| trmanco | it also did do stuff | Oct 10 19:06 |
| trmanco | it always* | Oct 10 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | annoy me | Oct 10 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | get uninstalled | Oct 10 19:06 |
| trmanco | I think it found it's way into KDE | Oct 10 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | that kind of stuff is what it did in Jaunty | Oct 10 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | I actually like it now | Oct 10 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | new default theme is also in Karmic | Oct 10 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | new software installer too | Oct 10 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | new software installer is as easy as Click n' Run from Linspire | Oct 10 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | also has full page description of every app with expandable screenshots | Oct 10 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | looks like a lot of work went into smoothing some of the more aggravating rough edges | Oct 10 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | a new user would be a lot more comfortable with this | Oct 10 19:08 |
| MinceR | BitlBee > * | Oct 10 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | I'd guess they've cut the learning curve on the average system for most users in half | Oct 10 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | the only thing they need to do now is make the restricted codec package more obvious | Oct 10 19:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Dear Identica, Twitter, Facebook. I will be drinking tonight, please disable any stupidity from me after about 21:00 UTC. Kthxbye! | Oct 10 19:14 | |
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| DaemonFC | at least Hotmail doesn't send you to the upgrade your browser page anymore if you use Linux | Oct 10 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | http://blogs.jta.org/politics/article/2009/10/09/1008414/adl1 | Oct 10 19:21 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Hey, I don't want to end up on some kind of facebookfail website! | Oct 10 19:23 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Works Dies, More #Layoffs Reported http://bit.ly/vr5Rs | Oct 10 19:28 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Microsoft Works Dies, More Layoffs Reported | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 98.07 KB | Oct 10 19:29 |
| trmanco | http://jasondclinton.livejournal.com/74222.html | Oct 10 19:45 |
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| schestowitz | brb | Oct 10 19:50 |
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| schestowitz | "!idea: Anti-#Apple campaign in the same vein as other anti-#windows ones. Maybe #caged_leopard or something. !fsf" http://identi.ca/notice/11701003 | Oct 10 20:08 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Someone has just put forth the proposition for an Apple campign called "caged leopard" | Oct 10 20:11 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.physorg.com/news174242334.html | Oct 10 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.philly.com/philly/business/technology/20091007_Jonathan_Takiff__Little_zing_in_Zune__Microsoft_HD_player_has_glitches__quirks.html | Oct 10 20:38 |
| phIRCe | Title: Jonathan Takiff: Little zing in Zune: Microsoft HD player has glitches, quirks | Philadelphia Daily News | 10/07/2009 .::. Size~: 140.84 KB | Oct 10 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Still happy with my Sansa | Oct 10 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | Zune HD would be pointless even if the firmware was flawless | Oct 10 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | there's like maybe 1-2 HD FM stations in this whole state | Oct 10 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | what a gimmicky pile of crap | Oct 10 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | I bought a few audible books to listen to while I'm laying down, in pain :P | Oct 10 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | the Sansa plays them | Oct 10 20:45 |
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| DaemonFC | never used audible books til now, my arms hurt too much to hold a book to read | Oct 10 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | roy@roy:~$ sudo apt-get install xterm | Oct 10 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Reading package lists... Done | Oct 10 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Building dependency tree | Oct 10 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Reading state information... Done | Oct 10 21:05 |
| schestowitz | xterm is already the newest version. | Oct 10 21:05 |
| schestowitz | You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these: | Oct 10 21:05 |
| schestowitz | The following packages have unmet dependencies. | Oct 10 21:05 |
| schestowitz | libc6: Depends: libc-bin (= 2.10.1-0ubuntu13) but 2.10.1-0ubuntu15 is to be installed | Oct 10 21:05 |
| schestowitz | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). | Oct 10 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Any suggestions? | Oct 10 21:05 |
| trmanco | intall the dependencies | Oct 10 21:06 |
| trmanco | downgrade them | Oct 10 21:06 |
| schestowitz | How would you go about doing this safely? | Oct 10 21:06 |
| trmanco | I did that with libxml++ ounce | Oct 10 21:06 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to b0rk anything | Oct 10 21:06 |
| trmanco | it's just a packaging issue | Oct 10 21:07 |
| schestowitz | I reported 2 bugs | Oct 10 21:07 |
| schestowitz | in launchpad | Oct 10 21:07 |
| trmanco | it should be >=2.10.1-0ubuntu1 | Oct 10 21:07 |
| trmanco | 3 | Oct 10 21:07 |
| trmanco | I guess | Oct 10 21:07 |
| schestowitz | What will it do upon running apt-get -f install? | Oct 10 21:08 |
| trmanco | force | Oct 10 21:08 |
| trmanco | the 15 indicates a small patch or packaging bug | Oct 10 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Doesn't sounds like a good idea. | Oct 10 21:09 |
| trmanco | I've done that a couple of time | Oct 10 21:17 |
| trmanco | but it wasn't with something related to libc | Oct 10 21:18 |
| schestowitz | libc is crucial | Oct 10 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Not just something at the top | Oct 10 21:19 |
| trmanco | http://www.facebook.com/pages/Miguel-de-Icaza/274613025149?v=feed&story_fbid=128683157394&ref=mf | Oct 10 21:19 |
| phIRCe | Title: Miguel de Icaza RT: @jdub #boycottboycottnovell: Calling out community-sapping, ambulance-chasing motherfuckers like Roy Schestowitz and Sam Varghese. | Facebook .::. Size~: 32.53 KB | Oct 10 21:19 |
| trmanco | haha | Oct 10 21:19 |
| trmanco | I love my bot | Oct 10 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Such a nice guy | Oct 10 21:19 |
| schestowitz | So anyway, would you try downgrading a package? | Oct 10 21:20 |
| schestowitz | I'm used to RPM. | Oct 10 21:20 |
| trmanco | ask that in ubuntu+1 | Oct 10 21:20 |
| trmanco | I'm sure they will be helpful | Oct 10 21:21 |
| trmanco | if it the package was less important, I would say go a head with it | Oct 10 21:21 |
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| trmanco | in this case I would look for more information to see what happened with libc-bin | Oct 10 21:21 |
| trmanco | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/2.10.1-0ubuntu15 | Oct 10 21:23 |
| phIRCe | Title: “eglibc” package : Ubuntu .::. Size~: 31.95 KB | Oct 10 21:23 |
| trmanco | eglibc (2.10.1-0ubuntu15) karmic; urgency=low | Oct 10 21:23 |
| trmanco | * Don't fail the build explicitely on any architecture (used for ppa | Oct 10 21:23 |
| trmanco | uploads to save buildd resources). | Oct 10 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | trmanco, sudo aptitude safe-upgrade | Oct 10 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | always use that when on a dev branch | Oct 10 21:24 |
| *trmanco mans aptitude | Oct 10 21:24 | |
| trmanco | you should ping schestowitz | Oct 10 21:24 |
| schestowitz | me? | Oct 10 21:24 |
| trmanco | safe-upgrade | Oct 10 21:25 |
| trmanco | Upgrades installed packages to their most recent version. Installed packages will not be removed unless | Oct 10 21:25 |
| trmanco | they are unused (see the section “Managing Automatically Installed Packages” in the aptitude reference | Oct 10 21:25 |
| trmanco | manual). Packages which are not currently installed may be installed to resolve dependencies unless the | Oct 10 21:25 |
| trmanco | --no-new-installs command-line option is supplied. | Oct 10 21:25 |
| trmanco | It is sometimes necessary to remove one package in order to upgrade another; this command is not able to | Oct 10 21:25 |
| trmanco | upgrade packages in such situations. Use the full-upgrade command to upgrade as many packages as | Oct 10 21:25 |
| trmanco | possible. | Oct 10 21:25 |
| schestowitz | It's not the 'normal' route | Oct 10 21:26 |
| schestowitz | It could maybe conflict with the default thing | Oct 10 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | safe upgrade is what is recommended | Oct 10 21:27 |
| schestowitz | As I understand it, this alpha will update itself until it's final (??????) and thus stable | Oct 10 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Oct 10 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Would you do it now? | Oct 10 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | do what now? | Oct 10 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | regular apt-get update is perfectly safe on a stable release | Oct 10 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | errr upgrade | Oct 10 21:27 |
| schestowitz | But this was an alpha | Oct 10 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Not stable | Oct 10 21:28 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: your on beta now if you have updated the system | Oct 10 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | well, what I mean is that you should use aptitude safe-upgrade til the final release | Oct 10 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | then just use apt-get upgrade | Oct 10 21:29 |
| trmanco | it's a role release when your in a dev branch | Oct 10 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | safe upgrade stops packages with broken dependencies from getting brought in | Oct 10 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, just like setting your Debian repos to "Squeeze" | Oct 10 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | but "Testing" wouldn't stop on the final Squeeze release | Oct 10 21:30 |
| trmanco | I'll go karmic when it reaches RC | Oct 10 21:30 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: what's your recommendation to resolve the conflict? | Oct 10 21:31 |
| schestowitz | libc | Oct 10 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | I wasn't paying attention | Oct 10 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | what happened? | Oct 10 21:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.marketwatch.com/story/doj-opens-inquiry-on-ibms-mainframe-business-2009-10-07 | Oct 10 21:31 |
| trmanco | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWpL0oSKo4U | Oct 10 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: | Oct 10 21:31 |
| schestowitz | [21:05] <schestowitz> The following packages have unmet dependencies. | Oct 10 21:31 |
| schestowitz | [21:05] <schestowitz> libc6: Depends: libc-bin (= 2.10.1-0ubuntu13) but 2.10.1-0ubuntu15 is to be installed | Oct 10 21:31 |
| schestowitz | [21:05] <schestowitz> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). | Oct 10 21:31 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: did you see the link Igave you? | Oct 10 21:32 |
| trmanco | the one from launchpad | Oct 10 21:32 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, I saw that | Oct 10 21:32 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't quite list a solution | Oct 10 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, You're trying to upgrade your packages? | Oct 10 21:32 |
| trmanco | IMO I think it would be safe | Oct 10 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | nothing is installed yet? | Oct 10 21:32 |
| trmanco | apt is stopping a package upgrade | Oct 10 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | in that case I'd ignore it for a while | Oct 10 21:33 |
| schestowitz | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/2.10.1-0ubuntu15 | Oct 10 21:33 |
| phIRCe | Title: “eglibc” package : Ubuntu .::. Size~: 31.95 KB | Oct 10 21:33 |
| trmanco | because the libc6 package (dependencies) hasn't been updated | Oct 10 21:33 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, the whole shebang I try to upgrade | Oct 10 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | things will get sorted out eventually and an apt-get update will probably refresh the package listing and let you upgrade | Oct 10 21:33 |
| trmanco | it will get fixed | Oct 10 21:33 |
| schestowitz | That's what I reckoned | Oct 10 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | having a broken package on the system is far worse though, depending on what it is | Oct 10 21:34 |
| schestowitz | I also filed two bug reports | Oct 10 21:34 |
| schestowitz | I haven't submitted KDE bugs in weeks, though | Oct 10 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | then you have to hope it's not a core package so you can pry it out forcibly with dpkg | Oct 10 21:34 |
| schestowitz | I'm waiting for knode to add that drag and drop | Oct 10 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | seriously not fun | Oct 10 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Also, old knode allowed to move the regions of the gui around | Oct 10 21:34 |
| schestowitz | This is no longer possible | Oct 10 21:34 |
| trmanco | wait for kde 4.5 | Oct 10 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Why? What happened*then*? :-) | Oct 10 21:35 |
| schestowitz | *happens _ | Oct 10 21:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/2568236/ | Oct 10 21:36 |
| trmanco | it's just me saying | Oct 10 21:36 |
| trmanco | all of the app had to be ported to qt4 | Oct 10 21:36 |
| trmanco | it will take time to get all the little things set up | Oct 10 21:36 |
| schestowitz | I noticed that it takes a long time for kde to shut down | Oct 10 21:38 |
| schestowitz | I didn't profile to see what process leads to it | Oct 10 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Also, after about a week the memory leaks require action | Oct 10 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | How's Mac OS X doing wrt memory leaks? | Oct 10 21:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.macwrite.com/critical-mass/memory-leaks-mac-os-x | Oct 10 21:40 |
| phIRCe | Title: Memory Leaks in Mac OS X | MacWrite.com .::. Size~: 14.67 KB | Oct 10 21:40 |
| schestowitz | http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8300945231/m/409009892831/ | Oct 10 21:40 |
| phIRCe | Title: Does OS X have a kernel memory leak? - Topic Powered by Eve Community .::. Size~: 193.22 KB | Oct 10 21:40 |
| schestowitz | !google mac memory leaks | Oct 10 21:40 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Memory Leaks in Mac OS X | MacWrite.com | http://www.macwrite.com/critical-mass/memory-leaks-mac-os-x | Oct 10 21:40 |
| phIRCe | [2] - ATPM 12.12 - How To: Use Activity Monitor to Monitor Your Mac's Memory | http://www.atpm.com/12.12/activity.shtml | Oct 10 21:40 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Chris Hanson - Checking Mac OS X applications for memory leaks | http://chanson.livejournal.com/147902.html | Oct 10 21:40 |
| phIRCe | [4] - iPhone Dev Center: Memory Usage Performance Guidelines: Finding ... | http://developer.apple.com/iPhone/library/documentation/Performance/Conceptual/ManagingMemory/Articles/FindingLeaks.html | Oct 10 21:40 |
| schestowitz | !google vista memory leaks | Oct 10 21:41 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Hotfix that addresses a memory leak in pc running Windows Vista or ... | http://forums.techarena.in/tips-tweaks/1086425.htm | Oct 10 21:41 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Windows Vista Memory Tweak Guide - TechSpot | http://www.techspot.com/guides/72-windows-vista-memory-tweaking/ | Oct 10 21:41 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Vista Memory Leak - Overclock.net - Overclocking.net | http://www.overclock.net/windows/298016-vista-memory-leak.html | Oct 10 21:41 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Test Your Computer's Memory Using Windows Vista Memory Diagnostic ... | http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/test-your-computers-memory-using-windows-vista-memory-diagnostic-tool/ | Oct 10 21:41 |
| schestowitz | It would be useful to do a benchmark not of memory use but one of memory leaks | Oct 10 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Let the same OSes run similar processes for a week and see how it fares | Oct 10 21:41 |
| trmanco | it won't be fair | Oct 10 21:44 |
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| phIRCe | Title: Black Muslim lesbians take over Top Gear - News of the News .::. Size~: 32.12 KB | Oct 10 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Why would it not be fair? | Oct 10 21:49 |
| schestowitz | http://kara.allthingsd.com/20091008/twitter-talking-separately-to-microsoft-and-also-google-about-big-data-mining-deals/ | Oct 10 21:49 |
| phIRCe | Title: Microsoft, Google in Talks With Twitter to Integrate Tweet Feeds | Kara Swisher | BoomTown | AllThingsD .::. Size~: 59.11 KB | Oct 10 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/article/deborahCohen/idUSTRE5975BR20091008 | Oct 10 21:53 |
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| yuhong | "It has become abundantly clear (especially recently) that Vista 7 will not succeed. " | Oct 10 22:00 |
| yuhong | I would not go that far. | Oct 10 22:00 |
| schestowitz | "The South Korean government insists that Microsoft's Internet Explorer (IE) Web browser should be the only option for doing encrypted communications online and the Supreme Court has no problem with it." | Oct 10 22:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2009/10/123_53253.html | Oct 10 22:00 |
| phIRCe | Title: Court Defends Microsoft Browser Monoculture .::. Size~: 62.43 KB | Oct 10 22:00 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: you never "would go that far" | Oct 10 22:00 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: I have another post coming | Oct 10 22:00 |
| schestowitz | More people feel the same | Oct 10 22:00 |
| yuhong | I never will, let be debunk another security article on Win7. | Oct 10 22:02 |
| yuhong | "In the words of oiaohm, “Microsoft in windows 7 is now forced to virtualise XP. So all the viruses of XP will remain around.”" | Oct 10 22:02 |
| yuhong | Jailed into a VM. | Oct 10 22:03 |
| yuhong | But I still will not upgrade to 7. | Oct 10 22:03 |
| yuhong | I bought this PC I am writing this on with Vista, and will NOT upgrade it to 7. | Oct 10 22:03 |
| yuhong | I am going to upgrade to Ubuntu 9.10 on the Linux side. | Oct 10 22:04 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: why upgrade to v7? | Oct 10 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Seriously, many people look for an answer | Oct 10 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | mine is free | Oct 10 22:05 |
| schestowitz | I don't think even Microsoft gave reasons | Oct 10 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | coupon with the system | Oct 10 22:05 |
| schestowitz | For Vista it made some ridiculour 100 reasons list | Oct 10 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Do you remember? microsoft.com IIRC. | Oct 10 22:06 |
| schestowitz | For Vista 7 it's not even mentioned. "upgrade.. cause it's hrrmmm... cool" | Oct 10 22:06 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: try kde 4.x as well | Oct 10 22:06 |
| schestowitz | It's really good, very modern, compares favourably with all other OSes | Oct 10 22:07 |
| yuhong | Yep, I know about it but hasn't got around to trying it. | Oct 10 22:07 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: they'll make a touchscreen for you.. when the hands are all recovered entirely. | Oct 10 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | not going to buy one for a while | Oct 10 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | just don't think I need one | Oct 10 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | might eventually just be another feature of a monitor | Oct 10 22:08 |
| yuhong | I have a constructive suggestion: | Oct 10 22:08 |
| yuhong | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/10/09/vista-7-hijack-risk/#comment-73977 | Oct 10 22:08 |
| phIRCe | Title: Vista 7 Left Hijackable Again (Almost a Monthly Recurrence) | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 100.49 KB | Oct 10 22:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/fish-amp-richardson-gets-5116,985782.shtml | Oct 10 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | yuhong: yes, I saw that | Oct 10 22:09 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: RDM (Dilger) linked to BN the other day. I know you like that site. | Oct 10 22:09 |
| schestowitz | HTC 3Q Net Profit Falls 18% On Higher Marketing Costs http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20091006-704340.html | Oct 10 22:10 |
| phIRCe | Title: UPDATE:HTC 3Q Net Profit Falls 18% On Higher Marketing Costs - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 99.54 KB | Oct 10 22:10 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't help that they make undesirable products like Windows phones | Oct 10 22:10 |
| schestowitz | At least thet have begun leaning on Android | Oct 10 22:11 |
| yuhong | Yes, and on the matter of Microsoft running away from the press, do you remember when I pointed something out about MS's Hyper-V patch. | Oct 10 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | I don't care what OS my phone runs | Oct 10 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | as long as it runs the few apps I use | Oct 10 22:11 |
| yuhong | It was news that was buried. | Oct 10 22:11 |
| yuhong | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/23/patent-injection-not-code-donation/#comment-71188 | Oct 10 22:11 |
| phIRCe | Title: Why Linux Did Not Need Microsofts Code Injection | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 225.16 KB | Oct 10 22:12 |
| yuhong | Happened just after this patch, but almost no one noticed. | Oct 10 22:12 |
| schestowitz | I don't quite follow. | Oct 10 22:14 |
| schestowitz | But Microsoft does bury news | Oct 10 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Examples: | Oct 10 22:14 |
| schestowitz | OIN catching patents->MS announced CodePlex Floundation[sic] | Oct 10 22:14 |
| yuhong | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/23/patent-injection-not-code-donation/#comment-71188 | Oct 10 22:14 |
| phIRCe | Title: Why Linux Did Not Need Microsofts Code Injection | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 225.16 KB | Oct 10 22:14 |
| yuhong | Wrong link. | Oct 10 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Bad results come this month->Microsoft annoucned Vista 7 within hours ... or hours apart | Oct 10 22:15 |
| yuhong | http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/7/20/ | Oct 10 22:15 |
| phIRCe | Title: LKML: Headers for 20 Jul 2009 .::. Size~: 92.17 KB | Oct 10 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes they run away from requests for comment | Oct 10 22:15 |
| yuhong | This case, almost no one noticed. | Oct 10 22:15 |
| yuhong | Notice the link to the Hyper-V patch and FAT: Add FAT_NO_83NAME flag on the same page. | Oct 10 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Haha. | Oct 10 22:17 |
| schestowitz | yeah, but show me the relationship really. | Oct 10 22:17 |
| yuhong | Yep, both articles were posted within hours of each other, but which one got more attencion? | Oct 10 22:17 |
| yuhong | http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/7/20/425 | Oct 10 22:18 |
| phIRCe | Title: LKML: tridge@samba ...: [PATCH 1/2] FAT: Add FAT_NO_83NAME flag .::. Size~: 9.57 KB | Oct 10 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Did they break the news there though? | Oct 10 22:18 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, Microdsoft briefed journos in advance | Oct 10 22:18 |
| yuhong | "This is the first of two patches which attempt to address the | Oct 10 22:18 |
| yuhong | technical concerns raised by the previous round of VFAT patent | Oct 10 22:18 |
| yuhong | workaround patches." | Oct 10 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Embargo/NDA | Oct 10 22:18 |
| trmanco | what | Oct 10 22:18 |
| trmanco | italic? | Oct 10 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Oct 10 22:18 |
| trmanco | what will be next? a bold title? | Oct 10 22:18 |
| yuhong | And remember the MS/TomTom lawsuit.f | Oct 10 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Better than line crossing it oevr | Oct 10 22:18 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: can you show that Microsoft's press release about the hyper-V patch came around the very same time? | Oct 10 22:19 |
| trmanco | but the strange thing is, that it also did the italic on the size parte | Oct 10 22:19 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, it did not exactle concur | Oct 10 22:19 |
| schestowitz | *Exactly | Oct 10 22:19 |
| trmanco | the array is the same, but the key is different | Oct 10 22:20 |
| yuhong | http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2009/jul09/07-20linuxqa.mspx | Oct 10 22:20 |
| phIRCe | Title: Microsoft Contributes Linux Drivers to Linux Community: Roundtable Q&A: Sam Ramji, senior director of Platform Strategy at Microsoft, and Tom Hanrahan, director of Microsoft’s Open Source Technology Center, discuss the company’s release of Linux device driver code under General Public License v2. .::. Size~: 57.18 KB | Oct 10 22:20 |
| trmanco | value* | Oct 10 22:20 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: it's a symbol that's interpreted in konv, I think | Oct 10 22:20 |
| schestowitz | in xchat it appares normal | Oct 10 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Maybe some escape character | Oct 10 22:20 |
| yuhong | Date says July 20, 2009. | Oct 10 22:20 |
| trmanco | which one? | Oct 10 22:20 |
| trmanco | it would be great to strip out the dashing too | Oct 10 22:20 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: this is one day later: http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/7/20/425 | Oct 10 22:21 |
| phIRCe | Title: LKML: tridge@samba ...: [PATCH 1/2] FAT: Add FAT_NO_83NAME flag .::. Size~: 9.57 KB | Oct 10 22:21 |
| schestowitz | DateTue, 21 Jul 2009 12:49:40 +1000 | Oct 10 22:21 |
| schestowitz | In Australia's time (i.e. ahead) | Oct 10 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Yay. I need to install Silver lie to watch this press release | Oct 10 22:22 |
| schestowitz | From Microsoft /desserter/ Ramji | Oct 10 22:22 |
| yuhong | Not for just getting theisdate. | Oct 10 22:22 |
| yuhong | Not for just getting this date. | Oct 10 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft pays IDC to lobby govt: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/microsoftpri0/2010000935_microsoftcommissionsstudyitjobswillgrowfasterthangeneraleconomy.html | Oct 10 22:22 |
| phIRCe | Title: Microsoft Pri0 | IT jobs will grow faster than general employment, according to Microsoft study | Seattle Times Newspaper .::. Size~: 59.36 KB | Oct 10 22:22 |
| yuhong | But how long did the hype behind this last? | Oct 10 22:23 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: how could they plan to bury this news? | Oct 10 22:23 |
| schestowitz | They had to brief journos like Krill | Oct 10 22:23 |
| schestowitz | And they can't tell exactly when tridge will post his patches | Oct 10 22:23 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: about a week and a hald | Oct 10 22:23 |
| schestowitz | *hald | Oct 10 22:23 |
| schestowitz | *half | Oct 10 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Cause then people found out more | Oct 10 22:23 |
| yuhong | It wasn't delibrate, it just happened automatically because of the hype. | Oct 10 22:24 |
| schestowitz | SFLC said Microsoft violated the GPL and all | Oct 10 22:24 |
| yuhong | See my point. | Oct 10 22:24 |
| yuhong | In fact, even after the hype was over, how many other people noticed this patch? | Oct 10 22:26 |
| yuhong | I tried to post it to slashdot, but got rejected. | Oct 10 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | conspiracy | Oct 10 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | black helicopters | Oct 10 22:28 |
| yuhong | I bet not many others. | Oct 10 22:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSBRU01009020091007 http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSBRU01009120091007 | Oct 10 22:28 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: what does the patch accomplish? I wasn't paying attention | Oct 10 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Basically, he wrote a workaround before that | Oct 10 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Was there an additional one? | Oct 10 22:29 |
| yuhong | Yep. | Oct 10 22:30 |
| yuhong | "This is the first of two patches which attempt to address the | Oct 10 22:30 |
| yuhong | technical concerns raised by the previous round of VFAT patent | Oct 10 22:30 |
| yuhong | workaround patches." | Oct 10 22:30 |
| yuhong | "This patch adds a new flag field 'FAT_NO_83NAME' for FAT files. When | Oct 10 22:30 |
| yuhong | this flag is set on an 8.3 FAT entry, both the MSDOS and VFAT | Oct 10 22:30 |
| yuhong | filesystems will skip the entry." | Oct 10 22:30 |
| yuhong | - Fixed problems with Win98, although some cosmetic issues remain | Oct 10 22:31 |
| yuhong | - Fixed problems with all tested MP3 players and similar devices | Oct 10 22:31 |
| yuhong | - Lowers the probability of a WinXP bluescreen by a factor of about 80x | Oct 10 22:31 |
| yuhong | - Fixed problems with mtools, although some cosmetic issues remain | Oct 10 22:31 |
| yuhong | that require a small mtools patch to fix | Oct 10 22:31 |
| yuhong | "This patch adds a new config option VFAT_FS_NO_DUALNAMES. When | Oct 10 22:32 |
| yuhong | VFAT_FS_NO_DUALNAMES is enabled, VFAT will never create a file with | Oct 10 22:32 |
| yuhong | both a long and a short filename." | Oct 10 22:32 |
| yuhong | Get it now. | Oct 10 22:33 |
| yuhong | Get it now? | Oct 10 22:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Linux license plate http://post.ly/81jH | Oct 10 22:34 | |
| schestowitz | Weird... | Oct 10 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Google News has begun aggregating YouTUbe also | Oct 10 22:37 |
| *sebsebseb (n=sebastia@unaffiliated/sebsebseb) has joined #boycottnovell | Oct 10 22:37 | |
| sebsebseb | hi | Oct 10 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Oct 10 22:37 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: hi | Oct 10 22:37 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: I'm still not convinced that Microsoft timed it because of this patch | Oct 10 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Even the dates don't align | Oct 10 22:38 |
| yuhong | I am not convinced either. | Oct 10 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Unless Microsoft predicted the patch | Oct 10 22:38 |
| schestowitz | But... | Oct 10 22:38 |
| schestowitz | It's good that you put it out there publicly | Oct 10 22:38 |
| schestowitz | We can revisit this later :-) | Oct 10 22:38 |
| schestowitz | What's the /, submissioin? | Oct 10 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is exploiting swine flu now to pimp itself | Oct 10 22:39 |
| schestowitz | No shame to these people... | Oct 10 22:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] OpenGL 3.2 and More http://post.ly/81lX | Oct 10 22:39 | |
| trmanco | http://www.aroundglobe.net/2009/10/adobe-exploit-puts-backdoor-on.html | Oct 10 22:41 |
| phIRCe | Title: World around us: Adobe exploit puts backdoor on computers .::. Size~: 72.92 KB | Oct 10 22:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Programmers are... http://post.ly/81mv | Oct 10 22:42 | |
| yuhong | http://slashdot.org/submission/1043925/MS-FAT-LFN-patent-workaround-patch-revised | Oct 10 22:42 |
| phIRCe | Title: Slashdot Submission | MS FAT LFN patent workaround patch revised .::. Size~: 48.31 KB | Oct 10 22:42 |
| yuhong | It was just buries automatically because the hype lasted, as you said, for a week and half. | Oct 10 22:43 |
| yuhong | It was just buried automatically because the hype lasted, as you said, for a week and half. | Oct 10 22:43 |
| yuhong | MS was lucky that it happened after the contribution. | Oct 10 22:44 |
| yuhong | Notice that I post it only 3 to 4 days after both patches. | Oct 10 22:47 |
| yuhong | And swine flu, yea I know. | Oct 10 22:48 |
| yuhong | http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/09/08/Another-Shocking-Warning-About-Swine-Flu-Vaccine.aspx | Oct 10 22:49 |
| trmanco | http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-scxml-20090507/ | Oct 10 22:49 |
| yuhong | "Vaccine safety advocates everywhere are beginning to make a serious dent. According to a recent Fox News poll, the majority of people in the US now believe the swine flu vaccine may be deadlier than the actual virus. " | Oct 10 22:50 |
| yuhong | And on WIn7 launch parties, yea I know Ubuntu ended up competing with it's own non-bribed launch party program. | Oct 10 22:51 |
| yuhong | The interesting so is that both will be released within a week of each other. | Oct 10 22:51 |
| yuhong | The interesting thing is that both will be released within a week of each other. | Oct 10 22:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Linux is evil! http://post.ly/81qR | Oct 10 22:52 | |
| *schestowitz catches up with irc | Oct 10 22:54 | |
| schestowitz | yuhong: not just ubuntu | Oct 10 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Some other big releass come around the same time | Oct 10 22:55 |
| yuhong | Yep, it is the typical 6 month Linux release cycle. | Oct 10 22:55 |
| yuhong | And in the latest Ars article citing Net Apps, they verified it with it's own data. | Oct 10 22:56 |
| yuhong | http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/10/how-fast-are-mac-users-adopting-snow-leopard-pretty-fast.ars | Oct 10 22:56 |
| phIRCe | Title: Not a web page! Aborting type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Oct 10 22:56 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: I'll blog this patch later | Oct 10 22:56 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: it's a small upgrade with Snow and Apple customers are rich, so they buy updates | Oct 10 22:57 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10369566-17.html | Oct 10 22:58 |
| phIRCe | Title: Sony chief: A PS3 victory is best for everyone | The Digital Home - CNET News .::. Size~: 240.62 KB | Oct 10 22:58 |
| Omar87 | I remember there was this smart desktop capturing program that lets you grab a screenshot of all or any part of the desktop you want. Anyone knows it? | Oct 10 22:58 |
| bozo_ | snagit | Oct 10 22:58 |
| yuhong | Yep, they reduced the upgrade price to just $29 for Leopard users too. | Oct 10 22:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] The Simpsons then and now http://post.ly/81sT | Oct 10 22:59 | |
| yuhong | Instead of the typical $129 with previous upgrades. | Oct 10 22:59 |
| yuhong | http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2008/05/report-apples-focus-on-premium-computers-is-paying-off.ars | Oct 10 23:00 |
| phIRCe | Title: Not a web page! Aborting type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Oct 10 23:00 |
| yuhong | http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/07/apple-nabs-91-of-premium-computer-market-in-june.ars | Oct 10 23:00 |
| phIRCe | Title: Not a web page! Aborting type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Oct 10 23:00 |
| Omar87 | bozo_, no, not snagit. | Oct 10 23:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Photo: via imgur.com http://tumblr.com/xkj3grggj | Oct 10 23:01 | |
| Omar87 | bozo_, it was free of charge. | Oct 10 23:01 |
| phIRCe | Title: trmanco's tumblr — via imgur.com .::. Size~: 7.76 KB | Oct 10 23:01 |
| trmanco | meh | Oct 10 23:02 |
| bozo_ | snagit was free originally, but I think they got $$ signs in their eyes. | Oct 10 23:02 |
| trmanco | ARS gives us no response header :| | Oct 10 23:02 |
| yuhong | I am right now running the Windows version of Firefox inside wine to run Shockwave. | Oct 10 23:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.rttnews.com/Content/BreakingNews.aspx?Id=1086313 | Oct 10 23:02 |
| yuhong | It crashes sometimes, but still is good enough for just running this plugin. | Oct 10 23:02 |
| trmanco | w3m -dump_head http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/07/apple-nabs-91-of-premium-computer-market-in-june.ars | Oct 10 23:02 |
| phIRCe | Title: Not a web page! Aborting type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Oct 10 23:02 |
| trmanco | HTTP/1.0 200 OK | Oct 10 23:02 |
| trmanco | Connection: close | Oct 10 23:02 |
| trmanco | meh, it does :| | Oct 10 23:02 |
| yuhong | phIRCe I think is a bot | Oct 10 23:05 |
| trmanco | I know :-P | Oct 10 23:05 |
| Omar87 | bozo_, I think it's Gnome-screenshot, but I can't seem to find any decent download page for it. | Oct 10 23:07 |
| Omar87 | bozo_, it's not even in the Ubuntu repos. | Oct 10 23:07 |
| trmanco | ah | Oct 10 23:08 |
| trmanco | I know what the problem is | Oct 10 23:08 |
| trmanco | lighthttpd has Content-type header | Oct 10 23:09 |
| trmanco | apache has Content-Type :| | Oct 10 23:10 |
| yuhong | trmanco, I didn't realize phIRCe was your bot, now I do. | Oct 10 23:10 |
| trmanco | :-P | Oct 10 23:11 |
| schestowitz | http://cyberlawcases.com/2009/10/01/court-rules-again-that-vernor-can-sell-autodesk-software/ | Oct 10 23:11 |
| schestowitz | "[PJ: What the court, in my view, dodged were the terms of the entitlement. It may be perpetual, although I think requiring software companies to return older software is silly, but it's a perpetual license. Of course, Vernor wasn't installing or using the software, only buying it second-hand to begin with." | Oct 10 23:11 |
| phIRCe | Title: Cyberlaw Cases , Archive » Court rules (again) that Vernor can sell Autodesk software .::. Size~: 14.69 KB | Oct 10 23:11 |
| schestowitz | "The judge also ignored that one firm that sold its older CDs to Vernor already admitted violating the terms of the license. I do expect an appeal.]" | Oct 10 23:11 |
| schestowitz | http://lifehacker.com/5370738/google-wave-first-look http://mashable.com/2009/10/01/google-wave-get-started/ | Oct 10 23:12 |
| phIRCe | Title: Google Wave First Look - Google Wave - Lifehacker .::. Size~: 74.21 KB | Oct 10 23:12 |
| phIRCe | Title: HOW TO: Get Started with Google Wave .::. Size~: 122.73 KB | Oct 10 23:12 |
| yuhong | I have Intel to cover soon after I do the research. | Oct 10 23:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=benoit-mandelbrot-and-the-wildness-2009-03-13 | Oct 10 23:14 |
| phIRCe | Title: News Blog: Benoit Mandelbrot and the wildness of financial markets .::. Size~: 94.86 KB | Oct 10 23:14 |
| schestowitz | "Yet before Smart was called to the stand, her alleged abductor, Mitchell, began singing a Mormon hymn as he entered the courtroom at 9 a.m. Judge Dale Kimball ordered him to stop, but he refused and was immediately sent to a holding cell to watch the proceedings via a television monitor." | Oct 10 23:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20309630,00.html | Oct 10 23:16 |
| phIRCe | Title: Elizabeth Smart Testifies About Her Abduction Ordeal in Horrifying Detail - Elizabeth Smart : People.com .::. Size~: 33 KB | Oct 10 23:16 |
| trmanco | !quit phIRCe | Oct 10 23:17 |
| *phIRCe has quit ("Exiting! phIRCe - I told you so!(http://bitbucket.org/trmanco/phirce/)") | Oct 10 23:17 | |
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| trmanco | http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/10/how-fast-are-mac-users-adopting-snow-leopard-pretty-fast.ars | Oct 10 23:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jSEZmGHM88 | Oct 10 23:17 |
| phIRCe | Title: How fast are Mac users adopting Snow Leopard? Pretty fast - Ars Technica .::. Size~: 44.7 KB | Oct 10 23:17 |
| phIRCe | Title: YouTube - Dan Bull interview: copyright and the music industry .::. Size~: 138.14 KB | Oct 10 23:17 |
| trmanco | :D | Oct 10 23:17 |
| trmanco | please shout and say "Tony rocks" :P | Oct 10 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Does it overrise robots.txt or whatever? | Oct 10 23:18 |
| trmanco | no | Oct 10 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Tony Hawks! | Oct 10 23:18 |
| trmanco | I explained it | Oct 10 23:18 |
| schestowitz | !google tony hawks | Oct 10 23:18 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Tony Hawk :: Official Website | http://www.tonyhawk.com/ | Oct 10 23:18 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Tony Hawks | http://www.tony-hawks.com/ | Oct 10 23:18 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Tony Hawk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Hawk | Oct 10 23:18 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Tony Hawk Foundation | http://www.tonyhawkfoundation.org/ | Oct 10 23:18 |
| trmanco | [23:08] <trmanco> ah | Oct 10 23:18 |
| trmanco | [23:08] <trmanco> I know what the problem is | Oct 10 23:18 |
| trmanco | [23:09] <trmanco> lighthttpd has Content-type header | Oct 10 23:18 |
| trmanco | [23:09] <trmanco> apache has Content-Type :| | Oct 10 23:18 |
| trmanco | I think it works now | Oct 10 23:18 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: start tweeting :-P | Oct 10 23:19 |
| trmanco | http://google.com | Oct 10 23:19 |
| phIRCe | Title: Google .::. Size~: 8.3 KB | Oct 10 23:19 |
| trmanco | google has it's own server | Oct 10 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Why twit? | Oct 10 23:19 |
| trmanco | named gws | Oct 10 23:19 |
| trmanco | but it Content-Type same as apache | Oct 10 23:19 |
| trmanco | uses* | Oct 10 23:19 |
| yuhong | trmanco, thanks for fixing it. | Oct 10 23:19 |
| trmanco | you're welcome yuhong | Oct 10 23:20 |
| schestowitz | I've microblogged | Oct 10 23:20 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I'm finding more and more people who realise that Vista 7 will not succeed. | Oct 10 23:20 | |
| schestowitz | http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/29/dell-laptop-tries-to-impress-impression-makers/?hpw | Oct 10 23:20 |
| phIRCe | Title: OpenDNS .::. Size~: 2 KB | Oct 10 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Blech | Oct 10 23:20 |
| trmanco | lol | Oct 10 23:20 |
| schestowitz | It also has a paywall | Oct 10 23:20 |
| trmanco | nice page | Oct 10 23:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/06/science/06nobel.html?hp | Oct 10 23:21 |
| phIRCe | Title: Not a web page! Aborting type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Oct 10 23:21 |
| trmanco | :| | Oct 10 23:21 |
| yuhong | And BTW, Vista 7 isn't actually too bad, but Vista 8 is just redicilous. | Oct 10 23:21 |
| yuhong | I mean the name. | Oct 10 23:21 |
| yuhong | Is every version of Windows after Vista be prefixed with "Vista". | Oct 10 23:22 |
| trmanco | grrr | Oct 10 23:22 |
| trmanco | Server: Sun-ONE-Web-Server/6.1 | Oct 10 23:22 |
| schestowitz | http://search.lef.org/cgi-src-bin/MsmGo.exe?grab_id=0&page_id=2972&query=ta65&hiword=TA65S%20ta65 | Oct 10 23:22 |
| phIRCe | Title: LE Magazine, February 2001 - As We See It: Ending The Cancer Bureaucracy .::. Size~: 72.91 KB | Oct 10 23:22 |
| yuhong | Espicially since we don't know much about it yet. | Oct 10 23:22 |
| trmanco | same as lighttpd | Oct 10 23:22 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: agreed | Oct 10 23:22 |
| trmanco | fixing now | Oct 10 23:22 |
| schestowitz | But I started with V8 | Oct 10 23:22 |
| schestowitz | I have to keep up | Oct 10 23:22 |
| trmanco | !quit phIRCe | Oct 10 23:24 |
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| trmanco | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/06/science/06nobel.html?hp | Oct 10 23:24 |
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| trmanco | wtf | Oct 10 23:24 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] both laptops now broken. i need to fix one tomorrow. this means f being out the way for several hours. oh god. | Oct 10 23:25 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.macnn.com/articles/09/10/02/psystar.attorney.leaves.apple.team/ | Oct 10 23:25 |
| phIRCe | Title: Psystar attorney quits legal team in Apple lawsuit | MacNN .::. Size~: 66.56 KB | Oct 10 23:25 |
| trmanco | !quit phIRCe | Oct 10 23:26 |
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| trmanco | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/06/science/06nobel.html?hp | Oct 10 23:26 |
| phIRCe | Title: Not a web page! Aborting type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Oct 10 23:27 |
| trmanco | crazy web servers | Oct 10 23:27 |
| trmanco | ... | Oct 10 23:27 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8292372.stm | Oct 10 23:28 |
| phIRCe | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 83.57 KB | Oct 10 23:28 |
| schestowitz | The titles there are always odd | Oct 10 23:28 |
| trmanco | less visits they get | Oct 10 23:28 |
| trmanco | BBC need some seo optimizations on a per post bases | Oct 10 23:28 |
| trmanco | needs* | Oct 10 23:28 |
| yuhong | http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showpost.php?p=91282&postcount=24 | Oct 10 23:28 |
| phIRCe | Title: Phoronix Forums - View Single Post - Intel Core i5 750, Core i7 870 Linux Benchmarks .::. Size~: 10.23 KB | Oct 10 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | Core i7 is overrated | Oct 10 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | not that much more powerful than the Phenom II X4 but it is much more expensive and power hungry | Oct 10 23:31 |
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| trmanco | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/06/science/06nobel.html?hp | Oct 10 23:31 |
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| trmanco | cool | Oct 10 23:31 |
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| trmanco | it's gone crazy | Oct 10 23:31 |
| yuhong | Yes, but not my point, read my post. | Oct 10 23:31 |
| trmanco | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/06/science/06nobel.html?hp | Oct 10 23:31 |
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| Will__ | Haven't had a chance to use one, but Core 2 Duo and similar seems zippy enough for most things outside of what you'd want to throw big iron at. | Oct 10 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | I'm impressed with AMD's power efficiency and price | Oct 10 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | Intel's CPUs all suck there | Oct 10 23:32 |
| yuhong | "Well to be fair, Intel is 100% dependent on Windows to sell CPUs | Oct 10 23:32 |
| yuhong | so it's no surprise they'd build their CPUs around making it as fast as possible there. | Oct 10 23:32 |
| yuhong | They don't own the server market - the Pentium/Core FSB bottleneck has always kept it behind in multithreaded performance. Atom can't compete with ARM at all - and both Intel and MS know that. Intel is at least making an effort to keep customers with Moblin, whereas MS is (as usual) resorting to desperation tactics, paying off the likes of Asus and Bestbuy to spread FUD." | Oct 10 23:32 |
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| trmanco | 1,2,3 | Oct 10 23:33 |
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| Will__ | DaemonFC: Well, that's ok. At least Intel makes up for it with awesome graphics cards.... oh wait. ;) | Oct 10 23:33 |
| trmanco | it should be stable now | Oct 10 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not going to bother with a Intel Core i7 that costs triple or more, uses half again as much power, and is only about 15-20% faster, maybe | Oct 10 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | it's like, what's the point? Hummer H3 of processors | Oct 10 23:34 |
| yuhong | And AFRIK, they just moved Core i7/i5 into the mainstream with Lynnfield, that is what the original article was about, but I am citing a comment here. | Oct 10 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | you want to put your money on a better GPU if anything | Oct 10 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | don't dick around over which CPU is a little faster | Oct 10 23:34 |
| yuhong | Core i7 800 is unfortunately just as expensive and same performance as i7 900, but i5 should be cheaper. | Oct 10 23:35 |
| Will__ | DaemonFC: especially as GPU co-processing becomes more common. | Oct 10 23:36 |
| schestowitz | http://cgi2.www.law.umich.edu/flashmedia/public/Default.aspx?mediaid=164 | Oct 10 23:36 |
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| yuhong | And even with i7 800 MBs and memory should be cheaper. | Oct 10 23:36 |
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| schestowitz | zelazny.freenode.net i down? | Oct 10 23:36 |
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| yuhong | Lynnfield has cheaper dual-channel, Bloomfield has faster triple-channell. | Oct 10 23:37 |
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| Will__ | That would be strike two, I think. | Oct 10 23:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/173330/skype_ebay_win_patent_case_on_appeal.html | Oct 10 23:40 |
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| schestowitz | " | Oct 10 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Peer Communications is part of Acacia Technologies, of Newport Beach, California, which specializes in licensing and enforcing patents in its portfolio. | Oct 10 23:40 |
| schestowitz | [PJ: That's the polite way to put it.] | Oct 10 23:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 10 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Patent troll | Oct 10 23:40 |
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| Omar87 | Okay people, listen to this troll over here: http://bit.ly/ryZsE :) | Oct 10 23:40 |
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| yuhong | AMD has come far from the days when it was calling Linux a "shareware" operating system. | Oct 10 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | AMD has put out good stuff since I've used them, about 11 years ago | Oct 10 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | my first CPU from them was the K6/2 550 | Oct 10 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | same deal back then pretty much, same speed as Intel at half price | Oct 10 23:42 |
| Omar87 | I just wonder, why earth should we stop fighting Microsloth, while Microsloth is not even blamed for fighting Software Freedom? | Oct 10 23:42 |
| Omar87 | why *on* earth.....? | Oct 10 23:42 |
| yuhong | http://membres.lycos.fr/poulot/k6bug_faq.html | Oct 10 23:42 |
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| DaemonFC | yuhong, affecting K6/2? | Oct 10 23:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssFinancialServicesAndRealEstateNews/idUSL812082720091008 | Oct 10 23:43 |
| yuhong | The original K6. | Oct 10 23:43 |
| yuhong | "AMD recently received reports from a limited number of users having | Oct 10 23:43 |
| yuhong | intermittent problems while running core re-compiles of the Linux | Oct 10 23:43 |
| yuhong | shareware operating system." | Oct 10 23:43 |
| Will__ | Omar87: "People use microsoft because they choose to do so." LOL. They use microsoft because they don't think they have a real choice. | Oct 10 23:44 |
| Omar87 | Will__, exactly. :) | Oct 10 23:44 |
| yuhong | Notice that the kernel is called "core". | Oct 10 23:45 |
| trmanco | what? on windows? | Oct 10 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | meh | Oct 10 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | probably incompetence more than malice | Oct 10 23:45 |
| yuhong | Yep. | Oct 10 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | PR drone inserting a foot in the company's mouth | Oct 10 23:46 |
| trmanco | ah | Oct 10 23:46 |
| trmanco | just caught up | Oct 10 23:46 |
| yuhong | Yep, note that that was probably back in 1997 or 1998. | Oct 10 23:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/10/quick-boot/ what will Microsoft do next? | Oct 10 23:46 |
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| schestowitz | http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/06/technology/verizon_google/?postversion=2009100608 | Oct 10 23:47 |
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| schestowitz | WM is dying | Oct 10 23:47 |
| schestowitz | And "Pink" too | Oct 10 23:47 |
| schestowitz | I'll do a post abt it tomorrow | Oct 10 23:47 |
| trmanco | wtf | Oct 10 23:47 |
| trmanco | T-MOBILE AND MICROSOFT/DANGER STATUS UPDATE ON SIDEKICK DATA DISRUPTION | Oct 10 23:47 |
| Will__ | Omar87: When I see a significant number of people that are given a good introduction to alternatives and then stick with microsoft (outside of formal obligations -- work, outside programs that don't support alternatives, etc.), then I'll change my tune. But speaking from personal experience, it just doesn't happen. Show people something that isn't Microsoft and isn't expensive, and people tend to get very interested. | Oct 10 23:47 |
| trmanco | http://www.sidekick.com/ | Oct 10 23:47 |
| yuhong | Yes, indeed it dates back to 1997: | Oct 10 23:48 |
| yuhong | http://membres.lycos.fr/poulot/k6bug_news.html | Oct 10 23:48 |
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| Will__ | even if they do go back to microsoft, I don't care as long as they know they have a choice. | Oct 10 23:49 |
| yuhong | AMD began it's x86-64 port in late 2000. | Oct 10 23:52 |
| yuhong | AMD began Linux's x86-64 port in late 2000. | Oct 10 23:52 |
| Will__ | schestowitz: You ever wonder if the reason for that 128-bit project for Windows 8/9 is because they are going to build an OS that actually requires more than 16 million terrabytes of memory just to run? :> | Oct 10 23:53 |
| yuhong | AMD support free BIOS called coreboot while Intel has it's own EFI to push. | Oct 10 23:54 |
| Will__ | s/terrabytes/terabytes | Oct 10 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | Will__, Thought had crossed my mind | Oct 10 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | I lul'd | Oct 10 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 10 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | yuhong, I don't want any part of EFI, no way no how | Oct 10 23:55 |
| yuhong | That is another matter though. | Oct 10 23:56 |
| schestowitz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/448228 | Oct 10 23:56 |
| schestowitz | "Same here." | Oct 10 23:56 |
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| schestowitz | It's not just me having this update bug then | Oct 10 23:56 |
| trmanco | packaging lapse | Oct 10 23:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/05/business/economy/05simmons.html?_r=1 | Oct 10 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | :-|||||||||||||| | Oct 10 23:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.newstatesman.com/north-america/2009/10/mehdi-hasan-bush-administration-oba | Oct 10 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | Wow. Watch the photo. | Oct 10 23:58 |
| trmanco | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10368709-56.html | Oct 10 23:59 |
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| trmanco | old but did you read this | Oct 10 23:59 |
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