IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 12th, 2009

schestowitz	http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/40248 "Well I'm going to boycott the boycott boycott. Man this is getting confusing!"	Oct 12 00:01
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trmanco	it's called Ellg	Oct 12 00:02
trmanco	Elgg*	Oct 12 00:03
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trmanco	http://elgg.org/	Oct 12 00:04
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trmanco	it uses elgg	Oct 12 00:04
trmanco	it's a "framework"	Oct 12 00:04
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schestowitz	I'm tired of articles with headline like this: http://www.enduserblog.com/2009/10/next-year-will-there-be-a-place-for-linux.html	Oct 12 00:05
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schestowitz	You know it's a trollish article without even reading withjin	Oct 12 00:05
schestowitz	Drigg uses Drupal	Oct 12 00:06
schestowitz	It has some bugs, still	Oct 12 00:06
DaemonFC	Mac is not an option for me	Oct 12 00:07
DaemonFC	overpriced and uses all Intel and mostly Nvidia	Oct 12 00:07
DaemonFC	your performance per dollar is cut to about a third what you get out of a PC	Oct 12 00:08
bogen	Mac is not an option for me either, plus I only run Windows in VMs any more (for work related stuff), and even then, less and less.	Oct 12 00:08
schestowitz	http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/10/6-plug-ins-tools-to-improve-rhythmbox.html	Oct 12 00:08
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schestowitz	Macs are accessories for some stuff like Photoshop and Safari	Oct 12 00:09
schestowitz	Linux runs photoshop too (in wine). It has 3D effects	Oct 12 00:09
schestowitz	KDE did a fantastic job with kwin	Oct 12 00:10
cubezzz	some projects seem to have vanished	Oct 12 00:10
trmanco	http://docs.elgg.org/wiki/What_is_Elgg	Oct 12 00:10
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DaemonFC	I'd rather use Windows than OS X just because at least Windows gives me my choice of hardware	Oct 12 00:10
DaemonFC	and without jacking up the price of the system like Apple does	Oct 12 00:11
cubezzz	my dsl light went out there	Oct 12 00:11
cubezzz	but I'm back, yay	Oct 12 00:11
schestowitz	http://geekandpoke.typepad.com/geekandpoke/2009/10/have-fun-with-windows-7.html	Oct 12 00:11
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DaemonFC	I know they add about $50 for Windows, but the Mac premium makes a Mac cost about double	Oct 12 00:11
DaemonFC	Intel motherboards are also much more expensive than AMD no matter where you buy them	Oct 12 00:12
DaemonFC	so you can't just compare similarly priced AMD and Intel CPUs because the Intel motherboard will cost about 25% more than the equivalent AMD one	Oct 12 00:12
bogen	OSX will never be a viable general option in my opinion unless/until Apple releases it as on off the shelf mainstream PC OS	Oct 12 00:12
schestowitz	Plasma widgets on Maemo5 http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4078	Oct 12 00:12
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schestowitz	kde4 and maemo....	Oct 12 00:13
DaemonFC	bogen: That's the only way I'd use OS X, is if it was off the shelf software for any PC	Oct 12 00:13
DaemonFC	I'm not buying overpriced PC hardware with an Apple logo on it	Oct 12 00:13
schestowitz	Mac OS X is a small niche	Oct 12 00:14
schestowitz	I doubt it will ever gain more than Linux	Oct 12 00:14
schestowitz	Apple has like 0% market share in most countries	Oct 12 00:14
schestowitz	Unless Apple accepts inferior hardware and makes Leopard work on 'commodity' PCs they will just stay an expensive gadget for people with more money than brains	Oct 12 00:15
DaemonFC	schestowitz, The last Mac I used was a Motorola 68020 model with System 7.5.5	Oct 12 00:15
DaemonFC	I've put OSX86 on my PC to play with, but I didn't keep it long	Oct 12 00:16
DaemonFC	they were worth using before the PC got Windows 95	Oct 12 00:16
DaemonFC	in many ways, System 8.x and 9.x were more unreliable than Windows 9x	Oct 12 00:17
DaemonFC	Apple managed to suppress that from being widely known	Oct 12 00:17
schestowitz	This site uses the Digg favicon: http://linux.bihlman.com/2009/10/10/linux-distro-and-desktop-the-more-the-merrier-right/	Oct 12 00:17
schestowitz	They couldn't suppress	Oct 12 00:18
schestowitz	People saw for themselves, me included	Oct 12 00:18
schestowitz	And when it freezes, you're stuck	Oct 12 00:18
schestowitz	No tty1	Oct 12 00:18
DaemonFC	OS X is much more stable these days	Oct 12 00:18
DaemonFC	it wasn't when it was new	Oct 12 00:18
DaemonFC	OS X 10.0/10.3 were just horrid	Oct 12 00:19
DaemonFC	I had a friend around that time whose dad bought him a Mac and he'd come over just to borrow some time on my Windows XP PC	Oct 12 00:19
DaemonFC	it made me giggle	Oct 12 00:19
DaemonFC	around 10.4, it started to settle down	Oct 12 00:20
DaemonFC	the economy of scale just isn't there for Mac	Oct 12 00:21
DaemonFC	only about 1 in 3 Windows games get ported, they always launch 6-12 months or more late, and they remain full price for a few years	Oct 12 00:21
DaemonFC	it's not an ideal gaming platform	Oct 12 00:21
DaemonFC	it's like saying, I can get 95% of potential sales with just a Windows version, why port to Mac for 4%?	Oct 12 00:23
DaemonFC	I really never have seen a niche use for a Mac that other systems can't do	Oct 12 00:24
DaemonFC	their OS X Server is just frightening	Oct 12 00:24
schestowitz	http://thelinuxexperiment.com/guinea-pigs/jake-b/the-problem-with-gentoo-my-reactions/	Oct 12 00:24
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DaemonFC	Windows has Photoshop	Oct 12 00:24
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schestowitz	Windows has viruses, too	Oct 12 00:25
DaemonFC	in many ways, Windows makes a better server if Windows and Mac are the choices	Oct 12 00:25
schestowitz	More than actual applications, in fact. Well over a million, maybe 2	Oct 12 00:25
DaemonFC	just because it's easier to set up	Oct 12 00:25
DaemonFC	there's hardly ever packaged server tools provided for your Mac	Oct 12 00:25
schestowitz	http://www.inquisitr.com/41108/ioc-sends-cd-to-awia-committee-member-over-olympic-photos-on-flickr/	Oct 12 00:26
DaemonFC	schestowitz, For all those alleged viruses, I've only ever encountered two	Oct 12 00:27
schestowitz	http://www.oracle.com/features/exadatachallenge.html	Oct 12 00:27
DaemonFC	a lot of them are better described as trojans	Oct 12 00:27
DaemonFC	they trick the user into running them	Oct 12 00:27
bogen	computer viruses/trojans are moreso a human social and educational problem, not really a technical one	Oct 12 00:29
bogen	(though things like autrun by default don't help)	Oct 12 00:29
DaemonFC	with rare exception, Windows malware is not much of an issue	Oct 12 00:30
bogen	autorun...	Oct 12 00:30
DaemonFC	it really depends on tricking the user	Oct 12 00:30
schestowitz	bogen: now disabled	Oct 12 00:30
schestowitz	Microsoft purges AutoRun from older Windows	Oct 12 00:31
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schestowitz	\| Microsoft has finally removed a function from earlier versions of	Oct 12 00:31
schestowitz	\| its Windows operating system that has been widely abused by	Oct 12 00:31
bogen	good	Oct 12 00:31
schestowitz	\| miscreants to surreptitiously install malware on users' computers.	Oct 12 00:31
schestowitz	`----	Oct 12 00:31
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/14/more_microsoft_autorun_fixes/	Oct 12 00:31
schestowitz	Linux was right all along	Oct 12 00:31
schestowitz	Bots rule in cyberspace	Oct 12 00:31
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schestowitz	\| USA TODAY REPORTS that on an average day, 40 per cent of the 800 million	Oct 12 00:31
bogen	now less cleanup to have to do on friends and families computers	Oct 12 00:31
schestowitz	\| computers connected to the Internet are bots used to send out spam, viruses	Oct 12 00:31
schestowitz	\| and to mine for sensitive personal data.	Oct 12 00:31
schestowitz	`----	Oct 12 00:31
schestowitz	http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/03/17/bots-rule-cyberspace	Oct 12 00:31
DaemonFC	There's at least 100 problems in society that need fixed before we worry much about Microsoft	Oct 12 00:32
DaemonFC	there's industries like pharma and insurance that are literally killing people just because they have no insurance	Oct 12 00:32
DaemonFC	$50 a PC for Windows is not really a major issue compared to things like that	Oct 12 00:32
DaemonFC	corruption is rampant and in more important industries than IT	Oct 12 00:34
schestowitz	http://www.secuobs.com/revue/news/148994.shtml	Oct 12 00:34
schestowitz	DaemonFC: who claimed otherwise?	Oct 12 00:35
DaemonFC	I'm saying that people need to keep perspective	Oct 12 00:35
schestowitz	I'm a programmer, so I focus on things that I can understand better and others who are.. say paralegal do other things	Oct 12 00:35
schestowitz	Wendel Potter does medicare	Oct 12 00:35
schestowitz	"Ubuntu Alliance " http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-10-09-voa44.cfm	Oct 12 00:37
schestowitz	Stupid "IP" is starving developing countries.. they can't even learn	Oct 12 00:37
DaemonFC	The Republicans are running their own lying ads accusing the health reform bill of being a smash and grab "government takeover" that would come between you and your doctor	Oct 12 00:37
DaemonFC	like lack of $50,000 for surgery doesn't	Oct 12 00:37
schestowitz	To bury this whole "IP" stuff it's better to reach out for developing countries and explain to them how they get screwed	Oct 12 00:37
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schestowitz	Republicans work form insurance companies, I guess	Oct 12 00:38
DaemonFC	the "IP" fabricated term is bad stuff because other industries, including pharma are starting to use the term	Oct 12 00:38
DaemonFC	I don't really care about the RIAA, nobody will die without the latest cookie cutter music	Oct 12 00:39
schestowitz	Maybe they'll introduce an organ thieving scheme when they win 2012 elections	Oct 12 00:39
DaemonFC	schestowitz, I don't think they'll win 2010 or 2012	Oct 12 00:39
oiaohm	The term IP we have bill gates to thank for.	Oct 12 00:39
DaemonFC	they're going to lose a few more seats in 2010	Oct 12 00:39
DaemonFC	that's what I see	Oct 12 00:39
schestowitz	Gates?	Oct 12 00:39
schestowitz	I don't think he made it up	Oct 12 00:39
schestowitz	But he's a big big shill for phrama patents	Oct 12 00:40
schestowitz	He even promotes drug patents in Africa	Oct 12 00:40
schestowitz	Very, very vicious	Oct 12 00:40
DaemonFC	I think drug patents should be revoked, period, no questions, end of story	Oct 12 00:40
oiaohm	It comes from when it was talking about how to destory Linux and open source with patents schestowitz he was the first one to shorten it to IP.	Oct 12 00:40
schestowitz	So how much is that $3000 medical bill for "IP"?	Oct 12 00:40
DaemonFC	schestowitz, The $3,000 bill that Parkview Hospital can shove up their ass?	Oct 12 00:41
schestowitz	oiaohm: so did it come from him?	Oct 12 00:41
oiaohm	Before that it was interlectual properity.	Oct 12 00:41
DaemonFC	hell if I know, piss on them	Oct 12 00:41
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique	Oct 12 00:41
DaemonFC	I'm not paying	Oct 12 00:41
schestowitz	Bill shills for patent bills	Oct 12 00:41
schestowitz	For African kids whom he kills with fumes he invests	Oct 12 00:41
schestowitz	*in	Oct 12 00:42
DaemonFC	pardon my French here but they can just suck my dick	Oct 12 00:42
DaemonFC	seriously	Oct 12 00:42
oiaohm	Note pharma don't believe in shorting stuff.	Oct 12 00:42
oiaohm	Particularly to a overlaping with something else. ie IP Internet Protocal and others.	Oct 12 00:42
schestowitz	DaemonFC: if you don't pay, they'll 'donate' your kidneys while you're sleeping	Oct 12 00:42
DaemonFC	no they won't	Oct 12 00:43
DaemonFC	I didn't pay the last one	Oct 12 00:43
DaemonFC	that was $10,000	Oct 12 00:43
schestowitz	Ohhhhhhhhh. yes, they will!	Oct 12 00:43
schestowitz	You just don't know it yet	Oct 12 00:43
schestowitz	Maybe they can do you discount	Oct 12 00:43
schestowitz	BOGOF	Oct 12 00:43
schestowitz	1+1	Oct 12 00:43
DaemonFC	I'm not an organ donor and they wouldn't want them anyway	Oct 12 00:43
schestowitz	Get one surgery, receive one ER call ABSO-LUTE-LY FREE!	Oct 12 00:43
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DaemonFC	they took me to court over the last one and the judge tried to let them seize my income, but I shut down my bank account and it's illegal to seize my disability check	Oct 12 00:45
DaemonFC	so they "forgave" the debt	Oct 12 00:45
DaemonFC	hehe	Oct 12 00:45
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oiaohm	http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/10/11/150 Hmm lInus getting a little annoyed.	Oct 12 00:46
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schestowitz	http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gKInWrfVAD8c-prNKvUr3hmLBuowD9B8CRF03	Oct 12 00:46
schestowitz	"Russians praise, GOP mocks, Obama's peace prize"	Oct 12 00:46
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DaemonFC	the GOP is becoming more and more hated as time goes on	Oct 12 00:47
DaemonFC	that's why I doubt that 2010 will be their year	Oct 12 00:47
DaemonFC	2012 doesn't look good for them either	Oct 12 00:47
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DaemonFC	people don't "vote their values" while they're not getting their insulin apparently	Oct 12 00:48
DaemonFC	hope they remember this	Oct 12 00:48
schestowitz	They should have given Bush the prize	Oct 12 00:49
oiaohm	At least you have choice in the matter DaemonFC. Even if wantted to be a organ donator I could not. So I hope I never need one or by the time need them they can grow replacements.	Oct 12 00:49
schestowitz	He made peace... with Jesus Christ	Oct 12 00:49
oiaohm	Note I cannot give blood for other people to use either.	Oct 12 00:49
DaemonFC	oiaohm, It's on your driver's license	Oct 12 00:49
schestowitz	From AP: "South Africa's president, Jacob Zuma, cited a Zulu term — "Ubuntu," which refers to the importance of community" — in saying Obama's "leadership reflects the true spirit of Ubuntu because your approach celebrates our common humanity."""	Oct 12 00:49
DaemonFC	if you're an organ donor, they put a red heart icon on your license	Oct 12 00:49
oiaohm	Even if I did my organs are not usable DaemonFC	Oct 12 00:50
schestowitz	How come?	Oct 12 00:50
DaemonFC	I am not one cause like schestowitz said, I think they would "accidentally" bump me off if someone important needed a heart or something	Oct 12 00:50
oiaohm	DNA fault	Oct 12 00:50
oiaohm	So my cell construction is different to most people.	Oct 12 00:50
schestowitz	We're all useful for soemthing	Oct 12 00:51
schestowitz	Even as hyena meal	Oct 12 00:51
DaemonFC	I also don't have my social security number on my license	Oct 12 00:51
schestowitz	Like the eskimos (IIRC) that give people or themselves to polar bears	Oct 12 00:51
DaemonFC	they get pissy if you tell them not to put it on there	Oct 12 00:51
DaemonFC	but the law says you can tell them not to	Oct 12 00:51
oiaohm	I would also be a kinda of person if another human ate me they would be in big trouble.	Oct 12 00:51
schestowitz	They "donate" themselves Shudder	Oct 12 00:51
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schestowitz	oiaohm: organic material doesn't pass the DNA, does it?	Oct 12 00:52
schestowitz	It's not as though when you east fish, then its DNA becomes yours	Oct 12 00:52
oiaohm	The cell walls are effected by the fault schestowitz	Oct 12 00:52
oiaohm	Particular protenes that lead to a persons own body attacking there own cells.	Oct 12 00:53
schestowitz	Some people choose to be buries on water	Oct 12 00:53
schestowitz	So they become part of the food chain again	Oct 12 00:53
schestowitz	Why doesn't everyone become organ donor by default?	Oct 12 00:53
schestowitz	And here in the UK it's not simple to sign up to become on	Oct 12 00:54
schestowitz	Believe me, I've tried. It's a tedious process	Oct 12 00:54
oiaohm	Ie I am close enough in construction of my cells that someone else body can mix up mine with thiers but different enough that the defence system trips on it.	Oct 12 00:54
schestowitz	Ubuntu is organ donation and elimination of those hefty medical bills	Oct 12 00:54
oiaohm	Even using my organ as scaffloding ie striping the living cells away is not a option. Since even that is slightly wrong.	Oct 12 00:55
schestowitz	DaemonFC: go get medical treatment in Havana	Oct 12 00:55
schestowitz	Moore says it's better there...and now he has people launch smear sits vs him	Oct 12 00:56
schestowitz	*Sites	Oct 12 00:56
oiaohm	Only thing that might be usable out my body is bone.	Oct 12 00:56
oiaohm	Note might.	Oct 12 00:56
DaemonFC	schestowitz, If I thought I could, I might	Oct 12 00:56
DaemonFC	and I'd make an issue about it for the news if possible	Oct 12 00:56
oiaohm	Basically not everyone can be a organ donor.	Oct 12 00:57
oiaohm	There are just some of us that as basically poison.	Oct 12 00:57
schestowitz	Sam didn't notice Opera's complaint: http://ostatic.com/blog/why-arent-mozilla-and-opera-vocal-about-microsofts-eu-settlement-offer	Oct 12 01:11
schestowitz	oiaohm: http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/tech/E3A1EF04FEDA3AC6CC257649007EBE79	Oct 12 01:26
schestowitz	I guess it's Monday there	Oct 12 01:26
schestowitz	"Processors from ARM are going beyond mobile devices"	Oct 12 01:26
oiaohm	As predicted schestowitz	Oct 12 01:27
schestowitz	Tired now. ng	Oct 12 01:27
oiaohm	If it follows my predict mips will be next.	Oct 12 01:27
schestowitz	gn even	Oct 12 01:27
schestowitz	rms use lemote	Oct 12 01:27
schestowitz	He uses a rare laptop	Oct 12 01:27
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oiaohm	People forget history. Remember the 486 co processor in a Mac for running windows.	Oct 12 01:29
schestowitz	http://developers.slashdot.org/story/09/10/11/1910257/Platform-Independent-C-OS-Library	Oct 12 01:30
oiaohm	I used one in 1994	Oct 12 01:30
schestowitz	"The Vaio button under the screen will launch the Splashtop Linux OS, allowing you almost instant access to the Internet and saving you from having to start-up Windows 7 proper."	Oct 12 01:30
schestowitz	http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/27782/sony-vaio-cw-laptop-photos	Oct 12 01:30
schestowitz	Vaio! Sony! LInux????????????	Oct 12 01:30
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schestowitz	cya later today (AU time)	Oct 12 01:31
oiaohm	Have good sleep schestowitz	Oct 12 01:31
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oiaohm	mutex_: I guess you have seen this http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.5/changes.html	Oct 12 01:47
mutex_	thats good, it's good to see Ada there too :)	Oct 12 01:49
oiaohm	Major bottle neck of gcc is being handled.	Oct 12 01:50
oiaohm	A new link-time optimizer << Lack of that has been a major secuirty and performance problem.	Oct 12 01:51
mutex_	ahh ok, I have to say GCC is one of the really nice things to come out of the GNU. It's very popular in industry.	Oct 12 01:52
oiaohm	Gcc has been the worse complier to use if building some secure.	Oct 12 01:53
oiaohm	ICC and Portland group both have had link-time opt for a long time.	Oct 12 01:53
mutex_	thats true, but thats the nature of the C language as much as anything, C give you lots of power but also more risk.	Oct 12 01:53
oiaohm	Better the complier less risk from C	Oct 12 01:54
oiaohm	Since the complier spots the errors and yells at you.	Oct 12 01:54
mutex_	there is little heap management in pure C, unlike things like Java that have garbage collection and such	Oct 12 01:54
oiaohm	Depends on the complier mutex_	Oct 12 01:54
mutex_	yes, regarding the quality of the compiler, and it's "strictness".	Oct 12 01:55
oiaohm	portland group does support memory recycling so reducing malloc and free calls.	Oct 12 01:55
oiaohm	Most of the advantage of Java over c come from poor compliers of C	Oct 12 01:56
mutex_	yes, thats true, one of the troubles with C compilers, or GCC is that it tries to be all things to all people, it's hard to make a good compiler that will be good for all CPU types.	Oct 12 01:57
oiaohm	Not exactly the issue.	Oct 12 01:58
DaemonFC	we could solve most of our problems by kicking the rest of the Republicans out of office	Oct 12 01:58
DaemonFC	I keep telling people this	Oct 12 01:58
oiaohm	Gcc did not have a clean path for optimisation mutex_	Oct 12 01:58
oiaohm	Clean path makes supporting more cpu types simple.	Oct 12 01:59
mutex_	yes, thats true	Oct 12 01:59
oiaohm	Clean path going to be in 4.5.0 gcc also allows optimisations and audit code to be plugins in gcc.	Oct 12 02:00
oiaohm	So simpler for it to be a complier for everyone. If you need something special you don't need to alter the core to do it.	Oct 12 02:01
DaemonFC	oops, wrong window, I am getting too tired	Oct 12 02:01
DaemonFC	a commercial came on a few minutes ago for Green Giant steamed in the bag vegetables	Oct 12 02:01
oiaohm	I was guessing that DaemonFC way off top.	Oct 12 02:01
DaemonFC	for a few seconds it registered as Green Giant semen in the bag vegetables	Oct 12 02:02
DaemonFC	my brain isn't working right tonight	Oct 12 02:02
DaemonFC	I replaced Mandriva on my brother's computer with Ubuntu Karmic x86-64	Oct 12 02:02
DaemonFC	he seems to like it better	Oct 12 02:02
oiaohm	Next 12 months is going to be a speed up 12 months for Linux.	Oct 12 02:03
DaemonFC	Ubuntu seems to be moving ahead faster than Mandriva lately	Oct 12 02:03
oiaohm	Mandriva has different release cycles to Ubuntu	Oct 12 02:04
oiaohm	We are basically middlish of the Mandriva release cycle when most distributions appear to sux.	Oct 12 02:05
mutex_	oimohm, do you LINT, it would be good to see GCC contain the full development toolset, including online code review	Oct 12 02:19
mutex_	Do you USE lint ?	Oct 12 02:19
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oiaohm	There are others that are better than lint mutex_	Oct 12 02:30
mutex_	ahh ok,	Oct 12 02:31
oiaohm	Lint equal tech with gcc plugins coming will be embedable in the complier.	Oct 12 02:32
mutex_	thats what I was hopeing to see as well.	Oct 12 02:32
oiaohm	http://ctuning.org/wiki/index.php/CTools:MilepostGCC << This is the realy fun add on. Self learning complier on how to optimise effectively.	Oct 12 02:36
mutex_	it's good to see them focusing on the AVR CPU as well, thats what I mainly develop for. these days	Oct 12 02:36
mutex_	Im still hopeing foss will come up with a LabVIEW type development environment, with an efficient compiler, that would make my year.	Oct 12 02:37
mutex_	for general purpose programming that is,	Oct 12 02:38
oiaohm	First was a effecient complier.	Oct 12 02:39
oiaohm	Looks like we are going to get that.	Oct 12 02:40
cubezzz	hmm, coreutils is a bit piggy	Oct 12 02:40
cubezzz	for PDA :)	Oct 12 02:40
oiaohm	coreutils is a big it self.	Oct 12 02:40
oiaohm	reason why busybox exist cubezzz	Oct 12 02:40
cubezzz	right, but I want parts of coreutils	Oct 12 02:41
oiaohm	Ok what function of coreutils is busybox missing. So far I have not found 1.	Oct 12 02:41
cubezzz	stat	Oct 12 02:42
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cubezzz	shred also I think	Oct 12 02:43
oiaohm	stat is in busybox	Oct 12 02:43
oiaohm	shred is missing.	Oct 12 02:44
cubezzz	oiaohm, the zaurus didn't have it, but it's old	Oct 12 02:44
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oiaohm	Maybe older version of busybox	Oct 12 02:45
oiaohm	I have to put in a bug report asking for shred	Oct 12 02:45
oiaohm	Not like shred is complex function.	Oct 12 02:46
cubezzz	BusyBox v0.52 (2001.08.30-07:09+0000)	Oct 12 02:47
cubezzz	that's pretty old	Oct 12 02:48
oiaohm	Yep prehistory busybox	Oct 12 02:48
oiaohm	http://www.busybox.net/downloads/BusyBox.html Current version command line cubezzz	Oct 12 02:49
cubezzz	thanks	Oct 12 02:50
cubezzz	grep is even more ancient for some reason	Oct 12 02:50
oiaohm	Older grep was smalelr.	Oct 12 02:50
oiaohm	I think there might have been storage issues off the start line there.	Oct 12 02:51
cubezzz	maybe I can offload some of this stuff to the CF	Oct 12 02:51
cubezzz	I doubt I really need awk	Oct 12 02:53
oiaohm	Monder day busybox provides awk	Oct 12 02:54
oiaohm	and grep	Oct 12 02:55
oiaohm	Really you need to size out current day busybox you might be able to get most what you want in less memory.	Oct 12 02:55
cubezzz	probably	Oct 12 02:56
oiaohm	Also keep a eye on gcc 4.5.0 progress that may help you in future cubezzz	Oct 12 02:57
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cubezzz	a newer mplayer would be nice too	Oct 12 03:00
cubezzz	that's the project for a later time	Oct 12 03:00
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DaemonFC	oiaohm, I made a blog posting out of that letter to the editor	Oct 12 03:05
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DaemonFC	http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/10/12/theres-nothing-worse-than-a-republican-or-fear-and-loathing-on-the-american-no-insurance-trail/	Oct 12 03:08
cubezzz	is fear and loathing similar to FUD? :)	Oct 12 03:10
cubezzz	FULD ftl	Oct 12 03:10
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DaemonFC	cubezzz, "No I'm not dead after what happened last month, but it's no thanks to the Rethuglicans. These people are all as morally bankrupt as the people who get sick in America with no health insurance find themselves fiscally bankrupt after the hospitals, pharmaceutical cartels, and health insurance cartels get done stripping them to the bone."	Oct 12 03:16
DaemonFC	part of a mass email I sent out with a link to my blog post	Oct 12 03:16
cubezzz	when I was younger it was often said that America was the land of opportunity	Oct 12 03:17
DaemonFC	it's gotten bad	Oct 12 03:18
DaemonFC	real bad	Oct 12 03:18
DaemonFC	and the Republicans caused a good chunk of it	Oct 12 03:18
oiaohm	Boy your system suxs.	Oct 12 03:18
oiaohm	I guess you cannot swap brands of the same drug either in the USA ie you don't get told about cheeper generics.	Oct 12 03:19
cubezzz	in one of his interviews Linus said it cost him $50 per year to go to University	Oct 12 03:19
cubezzz	and compared that to $40K for the U.S. (Canada is similar)	Oct 12 03:19
cubezzz	but I've always felt our health care was pretty good	Oct 12 03:20
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cubezzz	oiaohm, where are you from?	Oct 12 03:21
oiaohm	australia cubezzz	Oct 12 03:21
cubezzz	ah right, I think you told me that before	Oct 12 03:22
oiaohm	We have lots of good laws. Like you go to get a drug the pharmacy must offer you the cheepest form if it no matter what the doc writes.	Oct 12 03:22
oiaohm	So not as controls by big drug makers.	Oct 12 03:23
cubezzz	I think we have access to generic drugs too	Oct 12 03:23
oiaohm	Then to get used by the medicare system drug maker must agree to release drug after particular time to generic production.	Oct 12 03:23
oiaohm	cubezzz: access is one thing knowing there is a generic on the market is another.	Oct 12 03:24
DaemonFC	the politicians that have taken drug cartel bribes should be dragged out into the street and shot, that's my personal opinion and I'm sorry if it offends you	Oct 12 03:24
DaemonFC	treason used to carry the death penalty, why don't we enforce that now?	Oct 12 03:25
oiaohm	Shot is too low on pain.	Oct 12 03:25
oiaohm	Have all there wealth taken away and made live on the street would be better DaemonFC	Oct 12 03:25
DaemonFC	I'm home all day every day, I should make some calls to my congressman and senators	Oct 12 03:25
DaemonFC	bother their staff	Oct 12 03:26
cubezzz	pay or die just seems wrong	Oct 12 03:26
oiaohm	Our detial system suxs here.	Oct 12 03:27
oiaohm	Normal medical is fine.	Oct 12 03:27
DaemonFC	oiaohm, Technically, they can't let you die in the ER	Oct 12 03:27
DaemonFC	but they don't have to provide care once you'll live	Oct 12 03:28
DaemonFC	and they can send you ruinous medical bills over it	Oct 12 03:28
cubezzz	you hear the occassional story about people dying in the waiting room	Oct 12 03:28
cubezzz	I've been lucky, I haven't been seriously ill in over 20 years	Oct 12 03:29
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DaemonFC	that's why I hope to hell nothing happens to me til at least May when I'm on Medicare	Oct 12 03:29
DaemonFC	if the greedy fucks figure they'll get at least 80% of their money, they'll treat me	Oct 12 03:29
DaemonFC	hospitals find out every way they can to charge you 1,000% premiums for everything they do	Oct 12 03:30
DaemonFC	that ER bill shouldn't have reasonably been more than $300	Oct 12 03:31
DaemonFC	instead it was almost $3,000	Oct 12 03:31
cubezzz	it seems to me if everyone was to "go for the bucks" then the price of everything would rise	Oct 12 03:31
cubezzz	competition should keep things in check	Oct 12 03:31
DaemonFC	now I'm going to be heckled by collection agencies and maybe another lawsuit before the judge can dismiss the debt since I'm insolvent	Oct 12 03:31
DaemonFC	the judge already dismissed $10,000 in medical bills for that reason in 2008	Oct 12 03:32
DaemonFC	still, getting sued is not fun	Oct 12 03:32
DaemonFC	and I was't even conscious to authorize treatment	Oct 12 03:32
DaemonFC	and during the few minutes I was conscious, I was delirious	Oct 12 03:33
mutex_	if you get sick and go broke, sounds like a reflection of the system being broke, if you cant afford to pay, you cant afford it, you should not have to decare bankrupt just to "live".	Oct 12 03:33
DaemonFC	mutex_, It wasn't my fault, period	Oct 12 03:34
DaemonFC	if I had been some fucking idiot that was doing drugs or skateboarded down a flight of stairs, I'd say they were within their rights to demand payment	Oct 12 03:34
DaemonFC	bottom line is that I had a medical emergency through no fault of my own	Oct 12 03:34
mutex_	It never is, it's not your fault you got sick, but if you cant pay, either way the docs are not getting any money, but you still have to suffer and go to court	Oct 12 03:34
DaemonFC	mutex_, You're right, they're going to drag me over the coals just to find out that they still aren't getting paid because there's no money to give them	Oct 12 03:35
DaemonFC	it's insane	Oct 12 03:35
DaemonFC	it's like they're shouting "Bleed Turnip Bleed!!!!"	Oct 12 03:36
DaemonFC	old people that have millions of dollars get Medicare	Oct 12 03:36
mutex_	yes, exactly my point, but you dont just take Doc's time, you take you're and laywers and judges as well, it is insane.	Oct 12 03:36
DaemonFC	why don't poor people who really need it?	Oct 12 03:36
DaemonFC	Indiana's governor set up some little fake insurance plan that hardly covers anything	Oct 12 03:37
DaemonFC	I'm not signing up for it cause it would bar me from going to the free clinic and wouldn't cover hardly anything	Oct 12 03:38
DaemonFC	it's worse than the insurance that Walmart gives to temps	Oct 12 03:38
DaemonFC	:)	Oct 12 03:38
mutex_	so every pay you pay I guess a fairly large amount of money for health insurance, what happends to all that money ? if you get ill. the health industry must be so rich by now, sounds like a scam.	Oct 12 03:38
DaemonFC	mutex_, Even when I am on Medicare after next May, I'm still going to request generics that are on the $4 list at Walmart	Oct 12 03:39
DaemonFC	I don't feel like wasting Medicare's money to enrich fatcats at big drug cartels	Oct 12 03:40
DaemonFC	I just won't do that if I can possibly avoid it	Oct 12 03:40
mutex_	all my scripts are generic, and quite expensive, but I pay no more than $5.50 Per script, One that lasts a month costs $57 but I pay $5.50 only, but I choose generic as well.	Oct 12 03:41
DaemonFC	yeah, pharma does stupid shit to renew their patents	Oct 12 03:42
DaemonFC	one of the drugs I'm on is an old one that's $4 a month as a generic	Oct 12 03:42
DaemonFC	but the new patented version is $412 a month	Oct 12 03:42
DaemonFC	difference is you take the new one once a day instead of twice	Oct 12 03:42
mutex_	If I go the my local doctor, a week or so later, I get a cheque in the mail, but it's not for me :( it's for me to give to my Doctor !	Oct 12 03:42
DaemonFC	they're both equally effective other than that	Oct 12 03:42
DaemonFC	is that just insane or what?	Oct 12 03:43
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DaemonFC	mutex_, $4,944 a year for new patented brand name vs $48 for the generic form of the old version	Oct 12 03:44
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DaemonFC	only difference is that you take the old one twice a day	Oct 12 03:44
mutex_	thats amazing !	Oct 12 03:44
oiaohm	That is why the law here was passed DaemonFC	Oct 12 03:44
mutex_	and sucks at the same time.	Oct 12 03:44
DaemonFC	Medicare is getting bilked by these drug cartels doing things like that	Oct 12 03:44
DaemonFC	I shit you not	Oct 12 03:45
oiaohm	There are a lot of drugs in that class.	Oct 12 03:45
DaemonFC	the doctors won't even tell you about the older version and the generic	Oct 12 03:45
oiaohm	Where it the slow release method that is expensive as hell.	Oct 12 03:45
DaemonFC	the only reason I knew to demand it is cause I researched my condition online before going to the doctor	Oct 12 03:45
DaemonFC	the doc tried to act like the $412 bottle of pills was my only option	Oct 12 03:46
oiaohm	Here you would not have to.	Oct 12 03:46
oiaohm	When you go to get the drug you will be told.	Oct 12 03:46
mutex_	I did not want to mention it before DaemonFC but did they test you for a stroke ? you're sympoms sounds very familiar	Oct 12 03:46
DaemonFC	oiaohm, I will not go back to that doctor, ever	Oct 12 03:46
DaemonFC	I told her that she is a shyster and a cheat	Oct 12 03:46
DaemonFC	patients are leaving that office right and left	Oct 12 03:47
DaemonFC	she had to advertise for new patients in the newspaper the past month or so	Oct 12 03:47
DaemonFC	so apparently I'm not the only pissed off patient	Oct 12 03:47
DaemonFC	she tries to never give you refills so she can ding you $40 a month for follow up visits just to get new pills	Oct 12 03:48
DaemonFC	nice, huh?	Oct 12 03:48
mutex_	my local GP when I went to him 3 years ago, told me I had a skin infection, and gave me anit-biotics, for MONTHS, until I was eventually sent to a specialist (once it got much worse), only to be told it was a VERY serious cancer.!	Oct 12 03:48
DaemonFC	that's the only reason for the follow up, she makes $40 for 1 minute of her time to write the new script	Oct 12 03:48
mutex_	I wont go back to him again either.	Oct 12 03:48
DaemonFC	my mom recommended her doctor for when I get my Medicare	Oct 12 03:49
DaemonFC	her doctor checks the $4 generics list and prescribes those first	Oct 12 03:49
DaemonFC	so I think I'll start seeing that doctor	Oct 12 03:49
mutex_	my Doc now is chinese, and he's very good, actually interested in what is wrong.	Oct 12 03:50
DaemonFC	I'm so angry at the people responsible for this mess that it makes my blood boil just to think that they get away with it, or with conning stupid voters who don't have any health coverage into voting Republican	Oct 12 03:50
DaemonFC	I think we should do what the French did during their revolution	Oct 12 03:52
DaemonFC	drag the people responsible out and take them to the guillotine	Oct 12 03:52
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cubezzz	my /bin directory is dated 1969	Oct 12 04:17
cubezzz	I can't get rid of the old grep	Oct 12 04:18
mutex_	mabey thats a sign, it's the 13th today (in Aus), and in 1969 Apollo 13 left the lauchpad at 13;13.	Oct 12 04:22
mutex_	and today, (the 13) MS is sending out 13 bullitions, (on the Tue 13th). Hmm :)	Oct 12 04:23
mutex_	"Husten we have a Prob...."	Oct 12 04:23
oiaohm	MS has a problem. Scary was synmatics own numbers of new threats. 1/5 even with antivirus installed still end up with system owned.	Oct 12 04:34
cubezzz	epoch is 1970 so what in the world did Sharp do?	Oct 12 04:34
oiaohm	That percent as been getting progressively worse.	Oct 12 04:35
cubezzz	unix time starts with January 1, 1970	Oct 12 04:37
cubezzz	well Microsoft itself probably needs a reboot	Oct 12 04:37
cubezzz	I bet they have that in the works, they'd be crazy not to	Oct 12 04:38
oiaohm	The question with virus and threats is how long until it becomes 1/4 then 1/2 chances.	Oct 12 04:38
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[d235j] RT @drew: Positivity is complex and draining yet fruitful. Negativity is simple and lazy yet worthless.		Oct 12 04:39
DaemonFC	my arm just crimped up again	Oct 12 04:40
DaemonFC	that REALLY hurts	Oct 12 04:40
DaemonFC	Windows is shittier than it really should have to be cause of all the binary hacks to make old programs work	Oct 12 04:41
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oiaohm	Add disobeying there own design documents as well DaemonFC	Oct 12 04:46
cubezzz	you're just going to see more and more Linux and other non-Microsoft stuff	Oct 12 04:48
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DaemonFC	oiaohm, I hate terminally stupid people who wear it like a badge	Oct 12 06:13
DaemonFC	so of course my mom's family is full of them	Oct 12 06:14
mutex_	I like them :) they make me look good LOL	Oct 12 06:15
DaemonFC	I just got into it with my aunt over email	Oct 12 06:15
DaemonFC	I told her basically "How dare you get after me for being mad at this system when you're a nurse at a prison who gives free healthcare to rapist, murderers, child molesters, and bank robbers"	Oct 12 06:16
DaemonFC	if I raped someone I'd go to prison and get free healthcare	Oct 12 06:16
DaemonFC	but if I go to the ER as a law abiding citizen, I get stuck with a $3,000 bill	Oct 12 06:17
oiaohm	I meant the terminally stupid all the time DaemonFC	Oct 12 06:19
MinceR	oiaohm: what's the condition that affects your cell membranes called?	Oct 12 06:20
oiaohm	A variation off http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marfan_syndrome MinceR. Due to being a Veriation off I don't have lot of the bat bits of Marfan's but I have a few other things that are unique. Lets just say I won the loto with a mutation.	Oct 12 06:27
oiaohm	bat/bad	Oct 12 06:28
cubezzz	I've heard of Marfan Syndrome	Oct 12 06:29
oiaohm	Basically I don't have fibrillin-1 but I have by luck in most places 2 other mulated proteins that fill in for not having it.	Oct 12 06:30
oiaohm	Its the two other screwed up proteins that are kinda toxic to normal people.	Oct 12 06:31
DaemonFC	http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/10/12/who-does-the-first-piece-of-anti-health-reform-hate-mail-come-from-my-aunt/	Oct 12 06:39
MinceR	oiaohm: i see	Oct 12 06:40
oiaohm	Funny enough due the way my multated proteins work they are studing them to see if some form of releation to them can be used as treatment to Marfans.	Oct 12 06:44
oiaohm	Giving a Marfan Fibrillin-1 can be harmful due to application not being regulated correctly.	Oct 12 06:44
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I dreamt that I was setting up a local government website and getting advice from @pezholio. TWITTER WHAT HAVE YOU DONE #uninterestingdreams		Oct 12 07:36
schestowitz	http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/10/12/theres-nothing-worse-than-a-republican-or-fear-and-loathing-on-the-american-no-insurance-trail/	Oct 12 07:51
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schestowitz	Watch the comments: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/open-source-continues-spread-through-official-circles	Oct 12 08:12
schestowitz	http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-10-12-001-35-OP-CY-0000	Oct 12 08:12
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schestowitz	identica seems to be having api issues	Oct 12 09:06
oiaohm	The question is how long can MS keep the 1 percent usage claim up.	Oct 12 09:11
schestowitz	Claim for what?	Oct 12 09:12
schestowitz	Microsoft claims Linux has about 5% or more	Oct 12 09:12
schestowitz	on desktop	Oct 12 09:12
schestowitz	Microsoft has 1% in HPC (top 500)	Oct 12 09:12
cubezzz	in 2008 I think Gartner said 4% marketshare	Oct 12 09:37
schestowitz	Yeah.	Oct 12 09:37
schestowitz	IDC said 3% in 2003 iirc	Oct 12 09:38
cubezzz	Linux is bigger outside of North America	Oct 12 09:39
cubezzz	e.g. it's big in India	Oct 12 09:39
cubezzz	probably higher than 4% if you include stuff like embedded devices	Oct 12 09:40
cubezzz	then it's a case of people using Linux and not even realizing it	Oct 12 09:41
cubezzz	http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp	Oct 12 09:44
cubezzz	4% seems realistic	Oct 12 09:44
schestowitz	East Europe	Oct 12 09:52
schestowitz	And South America...	Oct 12 09:52
schestowitz	http://distrowatch.com/gentoo	Oct 12 10:01
schestowitz	Gentoo looks nice here	Oct 12 10:01
schestowitz	kde4 really puts "Linux" at the forefront, IMHO	Oct 12 10:01
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schestowitz	"4,273,291 lines of code, that's the size of the KDE core modules, which are released as the official KDE software distribution, as of today, the numbers generated using David A. Wheeler's SLOCCount." http://blog.cornelius-schumacher.de/2009/10/4273291-lines-of-code.html	Oct 12 10:04
schestowitz	Microsoft’s Danger SideKick data loss casts dark on cloud computing < http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/11/microsofts-danger-sidekick-data-loss-casts-dark-on-cloud-computing/ >	Oct 12 10:06
Adus	So, I ordered a new Sega Dreamcast last night :D	Oct 12 10:06
schestowitz	It must all have been part of an evil plot to get people scared of using GOogle :-)	Oct 12 10:06
schestowitz	Adus: good	Oct 12 10:07
schestowitz	It's less likely to go up in flames than Xbox 306	Oct 12 10:07
Adus	Xbox 360's catch on fire?	Oct 12 10:09
Adus	I thought that was iPhones?	Oct 12 10:09
P\|scean	http://forums.sega.com/showthread.php?t=68145&goto=nextnewest haha	Oct 12 10:16
mutex_	mabey he did not realise that a CPU dissipates more heat per cm^2 than your glowing orange hotplate on your stove !	Oct 12 10:19
oiaohm	Xbox360 first ones had a power supply problem Adus	Oct 12 10:21
oiaohm	That truly did catch on fire.	Oct 12 10:22
Adus	That was the original Xbox	Oct 12 10:22
Adus	not the 360	Oct 12 10:22
oiaohm	Lucky for the red ring of death that most of the dangourous xbox360 no longer function.	Oct 12 10:22
oiaohm	First generation 360 had 2 flaws.	Oct 12 10:23
Adus	And yes, they replaced everyones power cable in the original xbox	Oct 12 10:23
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] coooool...!!! RT @thecomicproject: Sweeeeeettt RT @startonomics: My first dating anniversary http://tinyurl.com/yl6p3a6		Oct 12 10:23
Adus	But yeh, unfortunately it seems common with a lot of things these days	Oct 12 10:25
Adus	I blaim China	Oct 12 10:25
Adus	blame*	Oct 12 10:25
oiaohm	Really you cannot blame China alone.	Oct 12 10:26
MinceR	Adus: well, you couldn't blame m$, could you? :>	Oct 12 10:26
oiaohm	Somethings coming out of China are fine.	Oct 12 10:26
oiaohm	Its MS fault for not doing QA on China produced stuff.	Oct 12 10:26
Adus	MinceR: Oh come on, it's hardly a problem unique to MS. Fire risk in hardware.	Oct 12 10:26
oiaohm	Every company with the issue is not doing the QA they should Adus	Oct 12 10:26
MinceR	yes, after all all console models have had hardware ~50% failure rate	Oct 12 10:26
MinceR	oh, wait	Oct 12 10:26
oiaohm	Cisco systems manages to get stuff built in china without a single issue Adus	Oct 12 10:27
Adus	Yes, and they charge huge amounts of money for it.	Oct 12 10:27
oiaohm	Same with APC.	Oct 12 10:27
oiaohm	Same with a lot of other companies.	Oct 12 10:27
oiaohm	The ones that don't enforce the QA end up with crap.	Oct 12 10:27
mutex_	just dont buy and baby formula from China !	Oct 12 10:28
mutex_	any*	Oct 12 10:28
oiaohm	That was QA again mutex_	Oct 12 10:28
Adus	Which are also the ones which are pushing low-cost stuff on consumers oiaohm. There is probably a link their.	Oct 12 10:28
mutex_	No it was deliberate to save money,	Oct 12 10:28
Adus	Yes, so they could sell the end product at a lower price.	Oct 12 10:28
mutex_	yes,	Oct 12 10:28
oiaohm	The issue here QA can save money.	Oct 12 10:29
MinceR	only buy baby formula if it's made of genuine baby.	Oct 12 10:29
mutex_	CoNC, Cost of Non-Conformity is what that is called.	Oct 12 10:29
oiaohm	What is the point of selling more if you have to replace the lot.	Oct 12 10:29
mutex_	In TQM parlace	Oct 12 10:30
oiaohm	Very quicky do the savings from not doing QA cost more.	Oct 12 10:30
MinceR	besides QA, designing hardware properly might also help. :>	Oct 12 10:30
mutex_	that is QA	Oct 12 10:30
Adus	I'm sure that's not uniformally the case though.	Oct 12 10:30
Adus	If there is no problem discovered, you've saved a lot of money.	Oct 12 10:30
Adus	It's a gamble	Oct 12 10:30
oiaohm	Some of the low cost items are low cost because they have almost 100 percent working production from QA.	Oct 12 10:31
MinceR	it's a gamble where m$ wins and the customer loses	Oct 12 10:31
oiaohm	The gamble you lose.	Oct 12 10:31
oiaohm	No QA more items that don't fire up even at the end of the production line.	Oct 12 10:31
oiaohm	So have to be sent back threw the production line.	Oct 12 10:32
oiaohm	So you are losing before you even sell a single item.	Oct 12 10:32
mutex_	QA is "doing the right things right FIRST TIME".	Oct 12 10:32
mutex_	is the standard definition	Oct 12 10:32
oiaohm	Companies cutting conners on QA are foolish companies.	Oct 12 10:32
Adus	Manufacturing a console is pretty complexed as I'm sure you know. Just look at the yield Sony get with the CELL for the PS3. Have to leave one of the cores spare as chances are, it will be screwed by the end of the process	Oct 12 10:33
oiaohm	Suppose MS has cut conners on Windows quality control for years so they know no better.	Oct 12 10:33
oiaohm	Adus: standard processor trick Adus. Like AMD 3 core chips.	Oct 12 10:34
oiaohm	It was a 4 core but one has been disabled because it could have a issue.	Oct 12 10:34
Adus	yep	Oct 12 10:34
oiaohm	That is cost of production reduction.	Oct 12 10:34
oiaohm	and to work out what cores to leave on require QA testing.	Oct 12 10:34
mutex_	all IC's are functionally tested and graded before they leave the production plant.	Oct 12 10:35
mutex_	before the slice and dice process.	Oct 12 10:35
MinceR	well, if it's too complex for m$, they shouldn't keep trying.	Oct 12 10:35
MinceR	others seem to manage.	Oct 12 10:36
mutex_	who said it was too complex ?	Oct 12 10:10
MinceR	it seems to be Adus' excuse for the xbox360 being unreliable crap.	Oct 12 10:10
Adus	Well, the reason the earlier Xboxes were unreliable is well documented.	Oct 12 10:11
mutex_	MS did not make or design the hardware,	Oct 12 10:11
MinceR	i didn't say earlier xboxes weren't crap. :>	Oct 12 10:11
Adus	Xbox 360s*	Oct 12 10:11
Adus	You should know better than to think I'll be allowed to discuss the details of rrod :p	Oct 12 10:11
MinceR	then they don't even know whom to buy from.	Oct 12 10:11
Adus	mutex_: Actually, they did design it.	Oct 12 10:12
Adus	But no, they didn't make it.	Oct 12 10:12
mutex_	im sure they designed the basic configuration of CPU, RAM artecture ect, but electronics engineers, and Chip manufactures would design the details.	Oct 12 10:13
Adus	They designed the PPU alongside PowerPC	Oct 12 10:13
Adus	The Xenon/PPU is pretty cool actually.	Oct 12 10:14
mutex_	And im 100% sure the electronics engineer would have defined the cross sectional area of the wires going to the xbox, and someone in china decided to make a but of money on copper and use a thinker wire	Oct 12 10:14
Adus	And the GPU is an ATI Chip	Oct 12 10:14
Adus	mutex_: Thus causing rrod? That's not the reason :p	Oct 12 10:14
MinceR	i was sure you'd bend over backwards to put the blame off m$	Oct 12 10:14
Adus	No, the flaw is Microsoft's	Oct 12 10:14
mutex_	I have no idea what rrod is :)	Oct 12 10:14
MinceR	not surprising.	Oct 12 10:15
mutex_	im guessing it's a gaming console error or something, I dont use game consoled.	Oct 12 10:15
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5hA3PN0uic	Oct 12 10:16
Adus	When an Xbox 360 fails, it shows 3 red rings on the front. Commonly known as the Red Rings of Death	Oct 12 10:16
Adus	rrod :p	Oct 12 10:16
mutex_	ahh, so I was right, ok, no problems, stuff happens :)	Oct 12 10:16
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Adus	Either that, or an error screen. Usually E74, which is general Hardware fault.	Oct 12 10:16
MinceR	3 fourths of a red ring, actually. :>	Oct 12 10:17
Adus	The earlier generations of Xbox 360 hardware were unreliable, due to a design flaw. That's something Microsoft have admitted.	Oct 12 10:17
Adus	Yes, well, 3 of the quads light up	Oct 12 10:17
Adus	Top Right, Bottom Right, Bottom Left	Oct 12 10:17
Adus	I seem to remember	Oct 12 10:17
mutex_	happens with alot of things, NASA not fitting O-Rings properly, Tocoma Narrows bridge, Toshiba laptop batteries, to you go on forever.	Oct 12 10:19
Adus	I'm not sure what you expect Microsoft to do. They've extended the repair period for those failures to 3 years, free of charge worldwide. Have improved reliability on later models etc	Oct 12 10:20
MinceR	ah, the classic "equally evil" defense.	Oct 12 10:20
MinceR	i don't expect them to do anything good, with their history.	Oct 12 10:20
Adus	Well, in that situation, what should they have done?	Oct 12 10:20
MinceR	they should have closed shop and got out of business years ago.	Oct 12 10:20
mutex_	equally evil :) funny term, I guess you mean it's ok for everyone else right ?	Oct 12 10:21
MinceR	mutex_: i was hoping you could come up with a less dated (and less lame) excuse.	Oct 12 10:21
Adus	As much as you hate Microsoft, that wasn't really an option for a viable business. "Yeh, we'll just close up"	Oct 12 10:21
MinceR	it isn't a viable business anyway, just a criminal organization.	Oct 12 10:22
Adus	Haha, I expected to hear something similar.	Oct 12 10:22
Adus	Yes yes, we're all evil.	Oct 12 10:23
MinceR	i just don't get why	Oct 12 10:23
MinceR	it's not like you get a cut of those riches	Oct 12 10:23
MinceR	not ever.	Oct 12 10:23
mutex_	how fast we go from an intelligent discussion on TQM and engineering to "M$ is evil incarnate". :)	Oct 12 10:23
Adus	MinceR: I actually do get a sales based bonus :p	Oct 12 10:24
MinceR	which is nothing compared to what ballmer, gates and their buddies steal from the industry.	Oct 12 10:24
Adus	Yes, but you're making Microsoft out like some huge entity. That's not really the case. There are lots of little companies	Oct 12 10:25
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MinceR	they're big enough to cause a lot of damage.	Oct 12 10:25
MinceR	and IBM helped them with their negligence.	Oct 12 10:25
Adus	Yes, but you asked why I do what I do?	Oct 12 10:26
MinceR	i presume you hoped you can get some of the vast riches, and who cares if you help cripple or destroy an industry.	Oct 12 10:26
Adus	Not at all.	Oct 12 10:26
mutex_	WOW MinceR	Oct 12 10:26
Adus	I want to make great games. Lionhead are one of the few companies who still value games as an artistic medium. They pay well, have good benefits and great people.	Oct 12 10:27
Adus	That's the reason I work here :)	Oct 12 10:27
MinceR	if you work for lionhead, why do you keep defending m$?	Oct 12 10:27
Adus	Because they are the same thing for all intents and purposes?	Oct 12 10:28
MinceR	i see	Oct 12 10:28
Adus	I can show you my email sig if you want. Pretty much explains everything :p	Oct 12 10:29
MinceR	you've explained everything already.	Oct 12 10:29
MinceR	just remember what they did to Ensemble Studios.	Oct 12 10:29
Adus	And ACES, and everyone else. Yes, I'm aware.	Oct 12 10:30
mutex_	what did they do ?	Oct 12 10:30
Adus	Disbanded them, because they made no money	Oct 12 10:30
Adus	something thankfully Lionhead still do	Oct 12 10:30
MinceR	well, for example Ensemble made better software than any drone at m$ could ever hope to do	Oct 12 10:31
MinceR	so they bought Ensemble and later destroyed the company.	Oct 12 10:31
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Adus	Well, we have some good teams ledt.	Oct 12 10:32
Adus	Left*	Oct 12 10:32
Adus	Lionhead and Rare here in the UK. Turn 10, Xbox Live Procutions, BigPark, 343 Industries over in Redmond	Oct 12 10:33
Adus	and Wingnut, who are in NZ I think	Oct 12 10:33
Adus	I have a meeting now. Back later :)	Oct 12 10:35
oiaohm	You are aware that seound generation 360 that also red ring of death were lacking heat sink compond.	Oct 12 10:35
oiaohm	That really should have shown up in QA.	Oct 12 10:35
cubezzz	maybe Microsoft makes things crappy on purpose	Oct 12 10:37
mutex_	why would they do that ?	Oct 12 10:38
cubezzz	so they can sell you the "next one" that will fix the problems	Oct 12 10:38
cubezzz	same reason why any manfacturer doesn't build things to last	Oct 12 10:38
MinceR	nah, i think it's plain garden-variety incompetence.	Oct 12 10:38
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MinceR	(and not being willing to spend on development)	Oct 12 10:39
oiaohm	Apple made the same mistake in one product as well. But Apple had the guts to say they missed doing QA at the heat sink compond apply.	Oct 12 10:39
mutex_	I dont know about you, but if I buy something thats rubbish, I will only buy ONE of them, I dont see many people saying "this is crap, so lets get another one".	Oct 12 10:40
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mutex_	but thats might just be me :)	Oct 12 10:40
oiaohm	The games are addictive mutex_	Oct 12 10:40
oiaohm	So kinda saved MS skin a bit.	Oct 12 10:40
mutex_	you cant have it both ways, either the game is crap, so they have to upgrade or they will play something else.	Oct 12 10:41
mutex_	Higher priority, neibour offered me a beer, back later :D	Oct 12 10:42
cubezzz	consumer electronics in general...	Oct 12 10:44
cubezzz	1 year warranty	Oct 12 10:44
cubezzz	the mentality is "buy a new one"	Oct 12 10:44
mutex_	Yes, but that implies they like what they are using, ,,,, just sayin.,	Oct 12 10:45
mutex_	*it	Oct 12 10:45
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trmanco	http://blog.cornelius-schumacher.de/2009/10/4273291-lines-of-code.html	Oct 12 10:49
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Adus	They keep changing google. I DO NOT LIKE IT! I want my old google back :(	Oct 12 10:52
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oiaohm	The thing I find interesting is if you start looking at history. In 2000 windows 2000 booted faster than Linux uses Less memory than Linux. Today slower in both than Linux. Even more importantly Linux most commonly used compliers in distributions cannot optimise code well.	Oct 12 11:18
oiaohm	Next 12 is lined up that MS loses power management advantage. Really by the end of the next 12 the only advantage MS might have is applications.	Oct 12 11:19
oiaohm	Yet the advantage of applications by MS is underminded by the numbers of them that would be called root kits by posix world define.	Oct 12 11:21
fewa	and windows applications destroy all the other claims of the platform	Oct 12 11:24
fewa	"user friendliness"	Oct 12 11:24
fewa	"cost effective"	Oct 12 11:24
fewa	etc, etc	Oct 12 11:24
fewa	because there is no consistance, no compatibility, no sane interaction and interconnection between a bunch of proprietary, unmodifiable, inconsistant programs	Oct 12 11:25
oiaohm	might is also dependant on how many applications run in wine as well.	Oct 12 11:25
fewa	honestly, i've really concluded that Microsoft is dead	Oct 12 11:26
fewa	not as in zero money	Oct 12 11:26
fewa	but as in they have no future	Oct 12 11:26
oiaohm	Gcc learning how to optimise correctly is going to supprise people.	Oct 12 11:26
fewa	Microsoft, and its software is _inherantly_ flawed	Oct 12 11:26
oiaohm	Most people did not notice that g++ in the up coming 4.5.0 gcc has a option to force static linking of stdc++ lib.	Oct 12 11:27
fewa	almost solely from its development form	Oct 12 11:27
fewa	I have though they would have a change if they opened it all up	Oct 12 11:27
fewa	but everyone knows that wont happen	Oct 12 11:27
fewa	*chance	Oct 12 11:27
fewa	not that it doesn't require dedication	Oct 12 11:28
fewa	but it is inevitable	Oct 12 11:30
fewa	IMHO	Oct 12 11:31
fewa	oiaohm, couldn't you always static link?	Oct 12 11:31
MinceR	crApple still keeps making QA mistakes.	Oct 12 11:32
cubezzz	from the programmer's perspective yes, Microsoft isn't at all appealing	Oct 12 11:33
fewa	Apple is still a threaty	Oct 12 11:33
fewa	much bigger threat	Oct 12 11:33
fewa	TC	Oct 12 11:33
cubezzz	anyway, I don't think Microsoft needs to vanish, but just go < 50% usage	Oct 12 11:34
cubezzz	after that, they can't use bully tactics	Oct 12 11:34
fewa	unless Microsoft is officially sanctioned by the government there is no way it will survive	Oct 12 11:34
fewa	ever make it past XP	Oct 12 11:34
fewa	*governments	Oct 12 11:35
P\|scean	i wouldnt use xp for the longest time because it was slower than 98	Oct 12 11:35
fewa	geeze, xp was at least more stable than 98	Oct 12 11:36
P\|scean	yeah but i liked to game on a slow computer :P	Oct 12 11:36
fewa	but actually didnt'really change anyrhing over 2000	Oct 12 11:36
cubezzz	it was slower :)	Oct 12 11:36
cubezzz	more memory hungry	Oct 12 11:37
fewa	TC, activation	Oct 12 11:37
fewa	and segmentation	Oct 12 11:37
oiaohm	fewa: force static linking even if everything thing else is dynamc linked.	Oct 12 11:40
cubezzz	I still see BSOD on XP boxes	Oct 12 11:41
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Now at bombay university campus. Anyone around?		Oct 12 11:41
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oiaohm	XP had the safe guards around video memory removed that were in windows 2000 for speed.	Oct 12 11:43
oiaohm	So MS made XP more defective than 2000 just to be flashy.	Oct 12 11:43
cubezzz	new record uptime for zaurus: 13 days	Oct 12 11:44
cubezzz	haven't had it too long though	Oct 12 11:44
cubezzz	shouldn't the safe guards make XP less defective?	Oct 12 11:45
cubezzz	oh, removed...	Oct 12 11:45
cubezzz	well, I just avoid it	Oct 12 11:46
cubezzz	no sense complaining about it	Oct 12 11:47
oiaohm	Lot of BSOD in XP track to that alteration cubezzz	Oct 12 11:48
cubezzz	yeah windows 2K was probably the best of a bad bunch	Oct 12 11:49
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @Info_Activism: Intl Crisis Mapping Conference starts on Friday. Follow the twitter feed @crisismapping #iccm09		Oct 12 11:51
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] And one of last week's is through to a second interview. Cross fingers!		Oct 12 12:06
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V168xofxgu0&feature=related	Oct 12 12:56
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mutex_	who said it was too complex ?	Oct 12 10:36
MinceR	it seems to be Adus' excuse for the xbox360 being unreliable crap.	Oct 12 10:36
Adus	Well, the reason the earlier Xboxes were unreliable is well documented.	Oct 12 10:37
mutex_	MS did not make or design the hardware,	Oct 12 10:37
MinceR	i didn't say earlier xboxes weren't crap. :>	Oct 12 10:37
Adus	Xbox 360s*	Oct 12 10:37
Adus	You should know better than to think I'll be allowed to discuss the details of rrod :p	Oct 12 10:37
MinceR	then they don't even know whom to buy from.	Oct 12 10:37
Adus	mutex_: Actually, they did design it.	Oct 12 10:38
Adus	But no, they didn't make it.	Oct 12 10:38
mutex_	im sure they designed the basic configuration of CPU, RAM artecture ect, but electronics engineers, and Chip manufactures would design the details.	Oct 12 10:39
Adus	They designed the PPU alongside PowerPC	Oct 12 10:39
Adus	The Xenon/PPU is pretty cool actually.	Oct 12 10:39
mutex_	And im 100% sure the electronics engineer would have defined the cross sectional area of the wires going to the xbox, and someone in china decided to make a but of money on copper and use a thinker wire	Oct 12 10:40
Adus	And the GPU is an ATI Chip	Oct 12 10:40
Adus	mutex_: Thus causing rrod? That's not the reason :p	Oct 12 10:40
MinceR	i was sure you'd bend over backwards to put the blame off m$	Oct 12 10:40
Adus	No, the flaw is Microsoft's	Oct 12 10:40
mutex_	I have no idea what rrod is :)	Oct 12 10:40
MinceR	not surprising.	Oct 12 10:41
mutex_	im guessing it's a gaming console error or something, I dont use game consoled.	Oct 12 10:41
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5hA3PN0uic	Oct 12 10:41
Adus	When an Xbox 360 fails, it shows 3 red rings on the front. Commonly known as the Red Rings of Death	Oct 12 10:42
Adus	rrod :p	Oct 12 10:42
mutex_	ahh, so I was right, ok, no problems, stuff happens :)	Oct 12 10:42
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Adus	Either that, or an error screen. Usually E74, which is general Hardware fault.	Oct 12 10:42
MinceR	3 fourths of a red ring, actually. :>	Oct 12 10:43
Adus	The earlier generations of Xbox 360 hardware were unreliable, due to a design flaw. That's something Microsoft have admitted.	Oct 12 10:43
Adus	Yes, well, 3 of the quads light up	Oct 12 10:43
Adus	Top Right, Bottom Right, Bottom Left	Oct 12 10:43
Adus	I seem to remember	Oct 12 10:43
mutex_	happens with alot of things, NASA not fitting O-Rings properly, Tocoma Narrows bridge, Toshiba laptop batteries, to you go on forever.	Oct 12 10:45
Adus	I'm not sure what you expect Microsoft to do. They've extended the repair period for those failures to 3 years, free of charge worldwide. Have improved reliability on later models etc	Oct 12 10:46
MinceR	ah, the classic "equally evil" defense.	Oct 12 10:46
MinceR	i don't expect them to do anything good, with their history.	Oct 12 10:46
Adus	Well, in that situation, what should they have done?	Oct 12 10:46
MinceR	they should have closed shop and got out of business years ago.	Oct 12 10:46
mutex_	equally evil :) funny term, I guess you mean it's ok for everyone else right ?	Oct 12 10:46
MinceR	mutex_: i was hoping you could come up with a less dated (and less lame) excuse.	Oct 12 10:47
Adus	As much as you hate Microsoft, that wasn't really an option for a viable business. "Yeh, we'll just close up"	Oct 12 10:47
MinceR	it isn't a viable business anyway, just a criminal organization.	Oct 12 10:48
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oiaohm	XP had the safe guards around video memory removed that were in windows 2000 for speed.	Oct 12 12:09
oiaohm	So MS made XP more defective than 2000 just to be flashy.	Oct 12 12:09
cubezzz	new record uptime for zaurus: 13 days	Oct 12 12:10
cubezzz	haven't had it too long though	Oct 12 12:10
cubezzz	shouldn't the safe guards make XP less defective?	Oct 12 12:11
cubezzz	oh, removed...	Oct 12 12:11
cubezzz	well, I just avoid it	Oct 12 12:12
cubezzz	no sense complaining about it	Oct 12 12:13
oiaohm	Lot of BSOD in XP track to that alteration cubezzz	Oct 12 12:14
cubezzz	yeah windows 2K was probably the best of a bad bunch	Oct 12 12:15
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] And one of last week's is through to a second interview. Cross fingers!		Oct 12 12:32
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V168xofxgu0&feature=related	Oct 12 13:22
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oiaohm	http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=11197 Anyone would have dreamed this 2 years ago?	Oct 12 13:25
schestowitz	"Jonathan Lurie (jonathan.lurie@gmail.com) contributed to this article."	Oct 12 13:27
schestowitz	I guess it's not just jperlow	Oct 12 13:27
schestowitz	Let's see...	Oct 12 13:27
schestowitz	BTW, it's Columbus day, isn't it?	Oct 12 13:27
oiaohm	12 of Oct so I would guess so schestowitz	Oct 12 13:32
schestowitz	Identica or the client I use (access via API) has 'swallowed' many items of mine this morning. :-(	Oct 12 13:33
schestowitz	Something ain't working right	Oct 12 13:33
oiaohm	Do you need anti gremlim spray	Oct 12 13:38
schestowitz	Naa..	Oct 12 13:39
schestowitz	Let's try ping.fm	Oct 12 13:39
schestowitz	"Posting error. Give it another shot!"	Oct 12 13:39
schestowitz	Makes me wonder.....	Oct 12 13:39
schestowitz	trmanco: encountered any issues with m-blogging today?	Oct 12 13:40
schestowitz	Since 9am it has failed	Oct 12 13:40
schestowitz	yesterday there was a huge 2-hr lag	Oct 12 13:40
trmanco	not really	Oct 12 13:40
schestowitz	Now it's not passing it to twitter again	Oct 12 13:44
schestowitz	I might give it a rest for a few days	Oct 12 13:44
schestowitz	http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2009/10/11/denouncing-v-advocating.html	Oct 12 13:44
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schestowitz	http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1558216/android-vulnerabilities-revealed ""The malformed SMS consists of a badly formatted WAP Push message which causes a Java ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException in the phone application (android.com.phone).""	Oct 12 13:52
schestowitz	http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1558214/danger-backups	Oct 12 13:53
schestowitz	"	Oct 12 13:53
schestowitz	Outages happen all the time, but this one was particularly bad because the Vole has been trying to tell the world plus dog that it is perfectly safe to stuff data onto the cloud. Sidekick keeps nearly all of its users' data in the cloud as opposed to keeping the primary copies on the devices themselves.	Oct 12 13:53
schestowitz	To make matters worse, the Vole admitted that data not recovered thus far may be permanently lost. It is not clear how many people that will harm.	Oct 12 13:53
schestowitz	"	Oct 12 13:53
schestowitz	Now Microsoft can say, "don't use Google! They'll ruin your data"	Oct 12 13:53
oiaohm	http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/eee-keyboard-splayed-detailed-by-fcc/ Anyone else see this as the return of the c64 style machines?	Oct 12 13:54
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P\|scean	yeah but will it still play super cycle?	Oct 12 14:00
schestowitz	IIRC, some eee/ASUS keyboards run Linux	Oct 12 14:01
schestowitz	Let me search for it...	Oct 12 14:01
schestowitz	!google asus keyboard embedded linux	Oct 12 14:02
phIRCe	[1] - ASUS Eee Keyboard to launch by end of June \| http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/14/asus-eee-keyboard-to-launch-by-end-of-june/	Oct 12 14:02
phIRCe	[2] - Asus Eee News, Mods, and Hacks: Asus Keyboard streams HD video to ... \| http://asuseeehacks.blogspot.com/2009/07/asus-keyboard-streams-hd-video-to-your.html	Oct 12 14:02
phIRCe	[3] - Asus Board with Embedded Linux for Fast Web Access - Linux ... \| http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Asus-Board-with-Embedded-Linux-for-Fast-Web-Access	Oct 12 14:02
phIRCe	[4] - [Phoronix] ASUS Motherboard Ships With Embedded Linux, Web Browser \| http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php%3Fpage%3Darticle%26item%3D869%26num%3D2	Oct 12 14:02
schestowitz	Oh	Oct 12 14:02
schestowitz	I think it was Logitech	Oct 12 14:02
schestowitz	!google logitech keyboard embedded linux	Oct 12 14:02
phIRCe	[1] - Logitech G19 Keyboard Review - Logitech g19 review - Gizmodo \| http://gizmodo.com/5201428/logitech-g19-keyboard-review	Oct 12 14:02
phIRCe	[2] - BLogitech » Blog Archive » New Logitech PC Gaming Products ... \| http://blog.logitech.com/2009/01/20/new-logitech-pc-gaming-products-unveiled-at-ces-2009/comment-page-1/	Oct 12 14:02
phIRCe	[3] - ThinkGeek :: Logitech G19 LCD Gaming Keyboard \| http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/bb7f/	Oct 12 14:02
phIRCe	[4] - Gadgetoid » Logitech G19 Keyboard Review \| http://www.gadgetoid.com/2009/06/18/logitech-g19-keyboard-review/	Oct 12 14:02
schestowitz	"Logitech's G19 gaming keyboard—which borders on ludicrous with its embedded Linux mini-computer and full-blown LCD monitor—is the best one they've made yet, even if it doesn't quite reach its full mind-blowing potential."	Oct 12 14:03
schestowitz	Yes, that's the one	Oct 12 14:03
schestowitz	Just don't spill coffee on these :-)	Oct 12 14:03
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/12/google_android_security_update/	Oct 12 14:04
phIRCe	Title: Google fixes SMS crashing bug in mobile OS • The Register .::. Size~: 21.9 KB	Oct 12 14:05
schestowitz	Greed kicks in. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/12/zafirovski_claim/ Company goes titsup, this man wants his many millions, still	Oct 12 14:07
phIRCe	Title: Former Nortel boss demands $12m in unpaid wedge • The Register .::. Size~: 21.58 KB	Oct 12 14:07
schestowitz	http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/10/see-through-walls/	Oct 12 14:10
phIRCe	Title: Wireless Network Signals Produce See-Through Walls \| Threat Level \| Wired.com .::. Size~: 80.75 KB	Oct 12 14:10
schestowitz	"Of course there are privacy and security concerns associated with the technology. A burglar could use it to detect if anyone is home or to scout the location of security guards."	Oct 12 14:10
MinceR	http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/10/11/major-bug-in-snow-leopard-deletes-all-user-data/	Oct 12 14:10
phIRCe	Title: Major bug in Snow Leopard deletes all user data .::. Size~: 157.93 KB	Oct 12 14:10
oiaohm	Opps	Oct 12 14:10
schestowitz	http://identi.ca/notice/11730460 "Wondering: Is the #nobel prize for peace given to all #US presidents who manage NOT to start a war in their first year?"	Oct 12 14:12
phIRCe	Title: Georg C. F. Greve (greve) 's status on Saturday, 10-Oct-09 08:57:24 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 7.03 KB	Oct 12 14:12
schestowitz	http://mail.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/gnubiz-disc/2000-December/000014.html	Oct 12 14:13
MinceR	http://localhostr.com/files/b77ee9/Just%20a%20friendly%20picture..png	Oct 12 14:15
phIRCe	Title: Not a web page! Aborting type .::. Size~: 0 KB	Oct 12 14:15
oiaohm	That tracking will become more of a worry when they can reduce the numbers of transmitters.	Oct 12 14:20
schestowitz	http://www.cringely.com/2009/10/apple-and-the-future-of-publishing-%e2%80%93-part-one/ http://www.cringely.com/2009/10/apple-and-the-future-of-publishing-part-two/	Oct 12 14:28
phIRCe	Title: I, Cringely » Blog Archive » Apple and the Future of Publishing â€“ Part One - Cringely on technology .::. Size~: 143.36 KB	Oct 12 14:28
phIRCe	Title: I, Cringely » Blog Archive » Apple and the Future of Publishing Part Two - Cringely on technology .::. Size~: 32.62 KB	Oct 12 14:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Identica or the client I use (access via API) has 'swallowed' many items of mine this morning. :-(		Oct 12 14:49
fewa	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zO-XKEY8PQ	Oct 12 14:58
phIRCe	Title: YouTube - Who Killed The Electric Car? Part 1 Greek Subtitles .::. Size~: 130.51 KB	Oct 12 14:58
fewa	Who killed the electric car?	Oct 12 14:59
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phIRCe	Hello World!	Oct 12 14:59
schestowitz	fewa: I'll watch it later	Oct 12 14:59
fewa	its what will destroy the ability for the planet to sustain us	Oct 12 14:59
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schestowitz	"Microsoft will issue its biggest ever security update on 13 October." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8302286.stm	Oct 12 15:01
phIRCe	Title: BBC NEWS \| News Front Page .::. Size~: 85.4 KB	Oct 12 15:01
schestowitz	Microsoft.... biggest ever	Oct 12 15:01
schestowitz	Supersize me!	Oct 12 15:01
fewa	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw	Oct 12 15:03
phIRCe	Title: YouTube - George Carlin - Saving the Planet .::. Size~: 142.18 KB	Oct 12 15:03
schestowitz	I watched it before	Oct 12 15:06
schestowitz	http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=gnome_is_rapidly_becoming_my_least_favor&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1	Oct 12 15:07
phIRCe	Title: Penguin Pete's Blog .::. Size~: 30.83 KB	Oct 12 15:07
fewa	ummm	Oct 12 15:09
fewa	thats cause the application is grabbing F11 for full screen	Oct 12 15:09
fewa	guess he doesn't realize that F11 is full screen	Oct 12 15:09
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phIRCe	Hello World!	Oct 12 15:11
fewa	crashing?	Oct 12 15:13
DaemonFC	nice to know our elected officials are taking bank holidays off	Oct 12 15:14
fewa	so they can meet with the bankers?	Oct 12 15:16
DaemonFC	no, a bank holiday is a minor holiday that almost nobody except banks and the post office take off	Oct 12 15:16
DaemonFC	they're frustrating	Oct 12 15:16
fewa	i know	Oct 12 15:16
fewa	columbus day	Oct 12 15:16
DaemonFC	mmhm	Oct 12 15:16
fewa	celebrating the start of four hundred years of genocide	Oct 12 15:17
DaemonFC	that's a little harsh	Oct 12 15:17
fewa	the native american's discovery of the white man	Oct 12 15:17
fewa	its the truth	Oct 12 15:17
DaemonFC	well, there was that, but who have we wiped out since then? :)	Oct 12 15:17
fewa	intuit, tibetians, ainu, ashkenazi jews,	Oct 12 15:19
fewa	mongols	Oct 12 15:19
fewa	chechenia	Oct 12 15:20
oiaohm	We could blame greed and bible for it all.	Oct 12 15:20
fewa	thats just specific peoples	Oct 12 15:20
fewa	there are many more examples where the population wasn't so incredibly decimated as those examples	Oct 12 15:20
cubezzz	aztecs :)	Oct 12 15:21
fewa	incans	Oct 12 15:21
fewa	cubezzz, aztecs a civilization however, not race	Oct 12 15:21
oiaohm	Very rare is complete exterminatio.	Oct 12 15:21
cubezzz	ah	Oct 12 15:21
fewa	but yes, a very large event	Oct 12 15:22
fewa	...could be	Oct 12 15:23
oiaohm	Australian aborigines from Tasmanian is a case of complete exterminisation.	Oct 12 15:23
oiaohm	Not a single one left.	Oct 12 15:23
fewa	not sure much about differences between aztec and western US, grand canyon, east coast--mound people	Oct 12 15:24
fewa	yeah most complete exterminations done earlier	Oct 12 15:24
oiaohm	Deseases combind with lack of medical combind with no natuarl protection from there is highly effective.	Oct 12 15:25
fewa	columbus seeing Hispaniola is undoubtedly important, but should not be celebrated	Oct 12 15:25
fewa	cubezzz, yes, but there was much more than that	Oct 12 15:25
fewa	"missionaries" would spread measles and small pox infected blankets	Oct 12 15:26
fewa	as gifts	Oct 12 15:27
fewa	as another note, mayan civilization destroyed itself through destruction of their environment	Oct 12 15:31
fewa	particularly the wetlands	Oct 12 15:32
oiaohm	That has repeated many times over.	Oct 12 15:33
oiaohm	and we will most likely be stupid enough to do it all over again.	Oct 12 15:33
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♻ @_AnaPereira_: Como hipnotizar um homem » http://bit.ly/2JgV5J LOOOOL		Oct 12 15:42
phIRCe	Title: Só Riso Mail : Animações e Jogos em Flash - Como hipnotizar um homem... .::. Size~: 3.46 KB	Oct 12 15:42
schestowitz	In Cosmos there's a similar story being told of Japanese Samurais	Oct 12 15:42
schestowitz	Now there's more global visibility and thus more scrutiny	Oct 12 15:43
schestowitz	In the past it was easier to get away with extermination and no embargoes	Oct 12 15:43
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phIRCe	Hello World!	Oct 12 15:49
Omar87	phIRCe, well hello there, trmanco's lovely bot! :)	Oct 12 15:50
schestowitz	Lawyer's Unemployment Benefits Yanked Over $1 A Day From Blog http://www.forbes.com/2009/10/07/blogger-google-unemployment-personal-finance-google-adsense.html	Oct 12 15:51
phIRCe	Title: Lawyer's Unemployment Benefits Yanked Over $1 A Day From Blog - Forbes.com .::. Size~: 30.92 KB	Oct 12 15:51
schestowitz	Omar87: I think it went bonkers	Oct 12 15:51
Omar87	schestowitz, lol, maybe. :P	Oct 12 15:51
schestowitz	http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/10/12/china.xinjiang/index.html	Oct 12 15:52
Omar87	schestowitz, could it be possible that FSF provides FSDaily with support?	Oct 12 15:52
phIRCe	Title: China issues death sentences over Xinjiang riots - CNN.com .::. Size~: 71.17 KB	Oct 12 15:52
schestowitz	I wonder if CNN distorts this as usual	Oct 12 15:52
schestowitz	THe chinese population here has protested againstt he CNN's distrotion to daemonise China	Oct 12 15:52
Omar87	schestowitz, in case if they(FSDaily team) ask for it that is.	Oct 12 15:53
schestowitz	In the US they shoot gas at protesters	Oct 12 15:53
schestowitz	And imprison some	Oct 12 15:53
schestowitz	Omar87: I don't know	Oct 12 15:53
schestowitz	I don't think so	Oct 12 15:53
schestowitz	But FSF folks might follow the site	Oct 12 15:53
schestowitz	Dave and others are probably totally indpedent	Oct 12 15:53
Omar87	schestowitz, Alex Jones has been talking about it for weeks now.	Oct 12 15:54
schestowitz	I've nothing to do with the FSF either. Never have.	Oct 12 15:54
Omar87	schestowitz, I know. But, FSDaily is such a huge website.	Oct 12 15:54
Omar87	schestowitz, FSF might at least provide them with some funding, or even sporsoship..	Oct 12 15:55
Omar87	schestowitz, it would make much easier for the FSDaily team to maintain, and maybe even further expand the website.	Oct 12 15:55
schestowitz	They support the SSP projects, I think	Oct 12 15:56
schestowitz	zoobab: does the FSF support FFII projects in any way?	Oct 12 15:56
schestowitz	Omar87: I don't think it's so hufe	Oct 12 15:58
schestowitz	*[not] huge	Oct 12 15:58
schestowitz	The FSF site is very small	Oct 12 15:58
schestowitz	The GNU site is by miles bigger	Oct 12 15:58
schestowitz	And they claim 80k pageviews/day	Oct 12 15:58
Omar87	schestowitz, FSF and GNU are not the same?	Oct 12 15:59
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schestowitz	Similar	Oct 12 15:59
schestowitz	Some oevrlap	Oct 12 15:59
schestowitz	Some gnu content would fit better in FSF	Oct 12 15:59
schestowitz	Like philosophy	Oct 12 15:59
Omar87	schestowitz, aren't they like two faces of one coin?	Oct 12 15:59
schestowitz	FSF is the movement/foundation	Oct 12 15:59
schestowitz	GNU more like a product	Oct 12 15:59
Omar87	schestowitz, Yeah I know.	Oct 12 16:00
Omar87	:)	Oct 12 16:00
schestowitz	GNU probably predates FSF by just a few years	Oct 12 16:00
schestowitz	Go to Web Archive	Oct 12 16:00
Omar87	schestowitz, Yeah.	Oct 12 16:00
schestowitz	See how the sites evolved over the years	Oct 12 16:00
schestowitz	Paste some stuff here	Oct 12 16:00
Omar87	schestowitz, much like Wikipedia predates Wikimedia.	Oct 12 16:00
schestowitz	Let's see the gnu journey over the years	Oct 12 16:00
fewa	make a report, a wiki page	Oct 12 16:00
schestowitz	Wikipedia started without a wiki	Oct 12 16:00
fewa	be productive	Oct 12 16:00
schestowitz	They tried to find better editing tools	Oct 12 16:00
schestowitz	It became complex	Oct 12 16:00
schestowitz	This afternoon I listened to a podcast with Wiki's inventor	Oct 12 16:01
Omar87	schestowitz, yeah, I know.	Oct 12 16:01
schestowitz	He explained how he arrived at the idea	Oct 12 16:01
schestowitz	And he also said that timbl had a similar vision	Oct 12 16:01
Omar87	schestowitz, but they ended up with a wiki.	Oct 12 16:01
schestowitz	he wanted to create the Web to share his physiocs papers and for colleagues to improve them	Oct 12 16:01
schestowitz	But he made something different, eventually	Oct 12 16:01
Omar87	schestowitz, it was the best idea from each and every aspect.	Oct 12 16:01
schestowitz	WWW is not so good	Oct 12 16:01
schestowitz	Some others who predate timbl had better ideas for hypertext	Oct 12 16:02
schestowitz	I knew about it ages ago, can't remember it anymore	Oct 12 16:02
schestowitz	I think one was Bush and another the guy with the same name as the mouse investo	Oct 12 16:02
schestowitz	*inventor (maybe the same guy)	Oct 12 16:02
DaemonFC	I entered to win an OpenSolaris laptop	Oct 12 16:02
Omar87	DaemonFC, did you when?	Oct 12 16:03
Omar87	win*	Oct 12 16:03
schestowitz	Leo Laporte explains that he prefers editing in wiki	Oct 12 16:03
schestowitz	It's fast	Oct 12 16:03
schestowitz	And I agree	Oct 12 16:03
schestowitz	Bar a CMS	Oct 12 16:03
DaemonFC	if I do, I'll format it	Oct 12 16:03
DaemonFC	lol	Oct 12 16:03
schestowitz	Editing HTML files is an old idea	Oct 12 16:03
Omar87	schestowitz, ancient.	Oct 12 16:03
schestowitz	Even if done in FTP with Knqueror over kio (drag and drop)	Oct 12 16:03
schestowitz	Turns out that the guy who invested Wikis (well, don't know how such a simple idea can be invesnted) was credited with inventing extreme programming	Oct 12 16:04
Omar87	schestowitz, it's simple in terms of concept, but great in terms of benefits.	Oct 12 16:06
schestowitz	http://colin.guthr.ie/2009/10/mandriva-2009-1-and-intel-graphics/	Oct 12 16:06
schestowitz	Omar87: http://web.archive.org/web/*/fsf.org	Oct 12 16:06
phIRCe	Title: Mandriva 2009.1 and Intel Graphics « Colin.Guthr.ie .::. Size~: 23.72 KB	Oct 12 16:06
cubezzz	extreme programming?	Oct 12 16:06
phIRCe	Title: Internet Archive Wayback Machine .::. Size~: 70.49 KB	Oct 12 16:06
schestowitz	Yes, two (or more) people working ont he same machine	Oct 12 16:06
schestowitz	Sounds weird and unproductive	Oct 12 16:06
schestowitz	I heard a show with another person behind these ideas	Oct 12 16:07
schestowitz	Not very convincing and hard to 'sell', IMHO	Oct 12 16:07
schestowitz	Omar87: also good for spammers (Wiki), unless one requires password	Oct 12 16:07
schestowitz	BN had this issuee	Oct 12 16:07
schestowitz	Then come human spammers too who vandalise wikis	Oct 12 16:07
schestowitz	I closed some wikis of mine due to this	Oct 12 16:08
schestowitz	Welcome to the FSF! http://web.archive.org/web/20000302012926/http://www.fsf.org/	Oct 12 16:08
Omar87	ok	Oct 12 16:08
schestowitz	Same for years: http://web.archive.org/web/20020531205414/http://www.fsf.org/	Oct 12 16:08
Omar87	I must say that I'm pissed and frustrated.	Oct 12 16:09
schestowitz	Facelift in 2004: http://web.archive.org/web/20040303214342/http://www.fsf.org/index.html	Oct 12 16:09
phIRCe	Title: GNU's Not Unix! - the GNU Project and the Free Software Foundation (FSF) .::. Size~: 16.92 KB	Oct 12 16:09
schestowitz	http://web.archive.org/web/*/gnu.org	Oct 12 16:09
phIRCe	Title: Internet Archive Wayback Machine .::. Size~: 92.04 KB	Oct 12 16:09
schestowitz	http://web.archive.org/web/20010118202500/http://www.gnu.org/	Oct 12 16:09
schestowitz	Similar tot he FSF site and stallman.org	Oct 12 16:09
schestowitz	Same general style	Oct 12 16:10
schestowitz	"Updated: 21 Dec 2000 paulv "	Oct 12 16:10
schestowitz	trmanco: http://web.archive.org/web/20030207060406/www.gnu.org/home.pt.html	Oct 12 16:10
cubezzz	vanilla as possible style	Oct 12 16:10
Omar87	Microsloth, this weasel, evil company that hypnotizes people's minds for a living, get all the chances, opportunities to spread their lies..	Oct 12 16:11
schestowitz	FreeBSD - installation process http://www.linuxsolutions.fr/freebsd-installation-process/	Oct 12 16:11
phIRCe	Title: FreeBSD - installation process \| Linux Solutions .::. Size~: 35.62 KB	Oct 12 16:12
schestowitz	Omar87: Apple does this too	Oct 12 16:12
schestowitz	Though Apple cult probably doesn't exist in the mid-east	Oct 12 16:12
*BRBT_ is now known as Balrog		Oct 12 16:12
Omar87	While a group of 5 students can't even find a room to hold a bunch of lectures telling people about their rights of a free computing experience!!	Oct 12 16:13
schestowitz	Apple sells a lifestyle, Microsoff sells Lada	Oct 12 16:13
*Balrog is now known as Guest61435		Oct 12 16:13
MinceR	lada isn't nearly as bad as m$ products	Oct 12 16:13
schestowitz	http://www.microsoft.com/emea/presscentre/images/GLFArabia08/GLFArabia-BillGates-SheikhMohammedBinZayed-CrownPrinceofAbuDhabi.jpg	Oct 12 16:14
schestowitz	MinceR: For Lada you can at least find a good driver	Oct 12 16:15
phIRCe	MinceR: For Lada you can at least find a good driver	Oct 12 16:15
MinceR	:)	Oct 12 16:15
MinceR	phIRCe: stfu	Oct 12 16:15
schestowitz	Nice effect for Gimp : Harry's Mist and Fog http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/445-plugins-for-gimp	Oct 12 16:15
schestowitz	DaemonFC: it really kicks the llama's arse	Oct 12 16:16
schestowitz	This is nice: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/10/lastfm-wallpaper-linux.html	Oct 12 16:18
phIRCe	Title: OMG! UBUNTU!: Quirky Wallpaper Series: Use Your LastFm Data As A Cool Wallpaper! .::. Size~: 148.34 KB	Oct 12 16:18
schestowitz	http://www.savvyadmin.com/extract-audio-from-video-files-to-wav-using-mplayer/	Oct 12 16:18
phIRCe	Title: Extract Audio from Video Files to WAV using Mplayer \| SavvyAdmin.com .::. Size~: 16.29 KB	Oct 12 16:19
schestowitz	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzYwMg	Oct 12 16:19
phIRCe	Title: [Phoronix] Linux 2.6.32-rc4 Brings A Huge, Bloated Driver .::. Size~: 15.77 KB	Oct 12 16:19
schestowitz	Linus is a little bloated too :-)	Oct 12 16:19
Omar87	schestowitz, check out this comment from a friend of mine who's a MS enthusiast on the Anti-Windows 7 campaign image from FSF:	Oct 12 16:19
Omar87	"thanks bro!!	Oct 12 16:19
Omar87	I don't feel sorry for u and ur FREE software, bel3ax I respect ur thoughts and believes.. I berly know u!!	Oct 12 16:19
Omar87	plus, I'll always like Microsoft and my shirt too...	Oct 12 16:19
Omar87	... Read More	Oct 12 16:19
Omar87	FREE things don't usualy attract me.. enjoy them :o)"	Oct 12 16:19
schestowitz	But noone there is as bloated as RMS	Oct 12 16:19
Omar87	"bel3ax" = "in contrary"	Oct 12 16:20
schestowitz	Free as in freeodm	Oct 12 16:20
schestowitz	Not price	Oct 12 16:20
Omar87	schestowitz, I told her. :)	Oct 12 16:20
schestowitz	It's like saying, "FREE countrues don't usualy attract me.. enjoy them :o)"	Oct 12 16:20
Omar87	schestowitz, lol	Oct 12 16:21
schestowitz	"me? I like pyramid schemes and oligachs"	Oct 12 16:21
schestowitz	Funny part about the shirt	Oct 12 16:21
schestowitz	A contraction there	Oct 12 16:21
schestowitz	IOW, I like someone that give me free stuff (shirt)	Oct 12 16:21
Omar87	schestowitz, they don't know anything. I should remain patient with them. :)	Oct 12 16:21
schestowitz	But I don't like /gratis/ things	Oct 12 16:21
schestowitz	Omar87: yes, explain patiently	Oct 12 16:22
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♻ @sjvn: RT @jlouderb: Why Windows 7 Will Suck Just Like Vista - a contrarian, hands on and unbiased review - http://bit.ly/G6exN		Oct 12 16:22
phIRCe	Title: Windows 7 – It’s Vista All Over Again : Jim Louderback .::. Size~: 34.1 KB	Oct 12 16:22
schestowitz	http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2009/10/floss-vs-me/	Oct 12 16:22
phIRCe	Title: Seilo @ Geeky Ogre » FLOSS in Egypt (and bits of the Middle-East) .::. Size~: 28.8 KB	Oct 12 16:22
Omar87	schestowitz, this is how I replied: "Free as in freedom, not as in price.	Oct 12 16:22
Omar87	Plus, see? This is what Microsoft wants you to believe: "Pay more get more", which is a flat-out "lie..". :).......	Oct 12 16:22
Omar87	Just take a short visit to www.windows7sins.org, see for yourself what MS doesn't want you to know.......	Oct 12 16:23
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phIRCe	Hello World!	Oct 12 16:23
Omar87	Windows 7, the upcoming release is not original, lots of its features are stolen from Linux.....	Oct 12 16:23
Omar87	It's ok, I am sure that the time when you and the rest of the world will dump Microsoft altogether and learn to value their freedoms is drawing near.	Oct 12 16:23
Omar87	...	Oct 12 16:23
Omar87	I can see it and sense it everywhere around me. :)"	Oct 12 16:23
schestowitz	Omar87: software is not physical	Oct 12 16:24
schestowitz	Economics don't work this way	Oct 12 16:24
schestowitz	Point to creative commons	Oct 12 16:24
schestowitz	Digital != physical	Oct 12 16:24
PetoKraus	wheee got my new PC	Oct 12 16:24
schestowitz	Intelelctual monopolies =protectionsit measure	Oct 12 16:24
DaemonFC	http://www.opensolaris.com/toshibanotebook/index.html	Oct 12 16:25
phIRCe	Title: Not a web page! Aborting type .::. Size~: 0 KB	Oct 12 16:25
trmanco	!quit phIRCe	Oct 12 16:27
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trmanco	ping	Oct 12 16:28
phIRCe	Hello World!	Oct 12 16:28
trmanco	.	Oct 12 16:28
trmanco	:)	Oct 12 16:28
Omar87	schestowitz, can you provide me with as much evidence as you can (not necessarily from your own posts) about the lies of Windows 7?	Oct 12 16:30
Omar87	please?	Oct 12 16:30
schestowitz	Omar87: explain to your friend that Jordan will be a Client State unless it takes control of its digital tools	Oct 12 16:35
schestowitz	trmanco: have you coded extra stuff?	Oct 12 16:36
schestowitz	I only see " Workaround for lighttpd Content-type header."	Oct 12 16:36
schestowitz	And it keeps saying stuff like "hello world"	Oct 12 16:36
trmanco	I figured a way to add modules to it	Oct 12 16:36
trmanco	it's only suppose to say it once	Oct 12 16:36
schestowitz	Omar87: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Vista_7_Reality_Log	Oct 12 16:37
trmanco	it's a module, still testing	Oct 12 16:37
phIRCe	Title: Vista 7 Reality Log - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 31.53 KB	Oct 12 16:37
trmanco	I haven't pushed it yet	Oct 12 16:37
schestowitz	trmanco found http://louderback.com/2009/windows-7-its-vista-all-over-again/	Oct 12 16:37
phIRCe	Title: Windows 7 – It’s Vista All Over Again : Jim Louderback .::. Size~: 36.46 KB	Oct 12 16:37
schestowitz	That's exactluy why I insist it should be called Vista 7	Oct 12 16:37
schestowitz	trmanco: that's what I thoiught	Oct 12 16:37
trmanco	no	Oct 12 16:37
trmanco	SP3	Oct 12 16:37
trmanco	of Vista	Oct 12 16:37
schestowitz	!google windows 7 is just vista	Oct 12 16:37
phIRCe	[1] - Ballmer: Windows 7 is Vista, just 'a lot better' \| http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9117399/Ballmer_Windows_7_is_Vista_just_a_lot_better_	Oct 12 16:37
phIRCe	[2] - Is Windows 7 just Vista in disguise? - Windows Vista and Windows 7 ... \| http://www.daniweb.com/news/post975843.html	Oct 12 16:37
phIRCe	[3] - Is Windows 7 Just a Vista Service Pack? -- Seeking Alpha \| http://seekingalpha.com/article/118240-is-windows-7-just-a-vista-service-pack	Oct 12 16:37
phIRCe	[4] - Overheard: Windows 7 is just Vista with new shade of lipstick ... \| http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/overheard/overheard-windows-7-is-just-vista-with-new-shade-of-lipstick/	Oct 12 16:37
trmanco	LOL	Oct 12 16:38
trmanco	this last one	Oct 12 16:38
trmanco	lipstick :-P	Oct 12 16:38
schestowitz	http://louderback.com/about/ Jim Louderback	Oct 12 16:40
phIRCe	Title: About : Jim Louderback .::. Size~: 18.62 KB	Oct 12 16:40
schestowitz	He found out the truth	Oct 12 16:40
DaemonFC	MS still hasn't updated my repair order, it should be delivered to them today though	Oct 12 16:42
schestowitz	His blog is already being filled by the Vista 7 '\fanboys'	Oct 12 16:42
DaemonFC	takes a while to get from Indiana to Texas	Oct 12 16:42
DaemonFC	I am going to be pissed if QVC goes past the 19th with my computer though	Oct 12 16:42
DaemonFC	I'm gonna call and ask if they shipped it from California to Indiana via oxen and covered wagon	Oct 12 16:43
DaemonFC	and if perhaps the driver died of Typhus on the Oregon Trail somewhere	Oct 12 16:43
schestowitz	"	Oct 12 16:43
schestowitz	Hi, Roy,	Oct 12 16:43
schestowitz	This incident sums up the problem with cloud computing quite nicely:	Oct 12 16:43
schestowitz	http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/10/microsoft_dange.html	Oct 12 16:43
schestowitz	"	Oct 12 16:43
DaemonFC	who has ever heard of a two week ship time, honestly?	Oct 12 16:43
DaemonFC	I mean god damn	Oct 12 16:43
phIRCe	Title: Microsoft Danger: Living Up To Its Name - Microsoft Blog - InformationWeek .::. Size~: 85.74 KB	Oct 12 16:43
DaemonFC	it's not like they have to build my system from scratch or something	Oct 12 16:44
DaemonFC	Newegg could have it here in 3 days for the same S&H price	Oct 12 16:44
DaemonFC	this laptop is older than John McCain and I want my badass system! Gah!!!	Oct 12 16:45
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DaemonFC	So far, this month is not working out for me	Oct 12 16:46
DaemonFC	it's gonna be $5 to change my phone number so that the three or four bill collectors I owe $4,000+ in medical bills to can't harass me	Oct 12 16:47
DaemonFC	those hospitals will call you 3-4 times a day wanting their money	Oct 12 16:47
DaemonFC	and my goofy mom gave them my REAL phone number in the ER	Oct 12 16:47
Omar87	schestowitz, man... she is so friggin' indoctrinated.	Oct 12 16:48
DaemonFC	I'll probably change my number around the end of this month	Oct 12 16:48
DaemonFC	I've had to do it several times before cause of the same reasons	Oct 12 16:48
DaemonFC	whenever I call bill collectors, I *67 to hide my caller ID from them	Oct 12 16:49
schestowitz	Omar87: yes, Microsoft uses a lot of PR	Oct 12 16:49
schestowitz	More than other companies int he area	Oct 12 16:49
DaemonFC	I'd rather be a drug dealer than a hospital billing department	Oct 12 16:49
DaemonFC	some people LIKE drugs	Oct 12 16:49
schestowitz	In fact, one of the biggest criminals behind it is now being marketed to the public as a philantropist. it's like Rockefeller all over again.	Oct 12 16:50
Omar87	Check out these words from her: http://pastebin.com/m17f46913	Oct 12 16:50
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schestowitz	DaemonFC: you're a customer, not a patient	Oct 12 16:50
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DaemonFC	schestowitz, borderline criminal corporations always hire PR firms and set up some fake philanthropy wing	Oct 12 16:51
DaemonFC	whitewashing job	Oct 12 16:51
schestowitz	And concussions mean BUSINESS! :-D	Oct 12 16:51
schestowitz	gtg bbl	Oct 12 16:51
schestowitz	Wal-Mart is the New Red Cross	Oct 12 16:51
DaemonFC	drug companies have programs for insolvent people to "donate" prescription drugs	Oct 12 16:51
schestowitz	bbl	Oct 12 16:51
DaemonFC	it looks charitable, they take the RETAIL PRICE off their taxes as a deduction	Oct 12 16:52
DaemonFC	they get to point to that when the government starts wanting to regulate them by law	Oct 12 16:52
DaemonFC	they win on PR and they win again because the tax deduction is more corporate welfare	Oct 12 16:52
DaemonFC	if they give me a two month supply of drugs that retail for $200 a bottle, they get to take a $400 deduction off their taxable income	Oct 12 16:54
DaemonFC	those pills cost them maybe $2 a bottle to make	Oct 12 16:54
DaemonFC	so a $400 taxable income deduction saves them about $30-$40 or so in taxes paid on a product that cost them $4	Oct 12 16:54
DaemonFC	but it still looks charitable	Oct 12 16:54
DaemonFC	even though they just made $36 profit paid by tax paying Americans to "donate" those pills I need	Oct 12 16:55
DaemonFC	isn't that just so awesome, schestowitz? :)	Oct 12 16:55
DaemonFC	Microsoft may be bad, but prescription drug cartels must give Satan a boner	Oct 12 16:56
DaemonFC	if you gave me a choice of which industry I wanted shut down, and I could only pick one, it would be the prescription drug cartel	Oct 12 16:57
DaemonFC	nothing else even comes close	Oct 12 16:57
PetoKraus	:D	Oct 12 17:00
DaemonFC	the newspaper is publishing my letter on Wednesday or Thursday they said	Oct 12 17:07
DaemonFC	the worst thing I could call the Republicans that I figured would still get published is "obstructionists"	Oct 12 17:11
DaemonFC	heh	Oct 12 17:12
fewa	"don't get sick, and if you do get sick....die quickly"	Oct 12 17:16
fewa	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-usmvYOPfco	Oct 12 17:16
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Chomsky's books banned at Guantánamo bay prison camp library http://chomsky.info/onchomsky/20091011.htm #censorship		Oct 12 17:23
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Chomsky's books banned at Guantánamo bay prison camp library http://chomsky.info/onchomsky/20091011.htm #censorship #p2		Oct 12 17:26
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Chomsky's #book s #banned at Guantánamo bay #prison camp #library http://chomsky.info/onchoms... #censorship #p2		Oct 12 17:29
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DaemonFC	the hospital can suck my dick, they're not getting paid	Oct 12 17:32
DaemonFC	they can deal with it	Oct 12 17:32
DaemonFC	if they want paid, they can join the fight to pass universal healthcare	Oct 12 17:32
DaemonFC	80% of something is better than all of nothing	Oct 12 17:32
DaemonFC	am I right? :P	Oct 12 17:32
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fewa	http://pnhp.org/amendment/Amendment-3200%20Comparision.pdf	Oct 12 17:35
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DaemonFC	those hospitals should want the health reform bill to pass	Oct 12 17:35
fewa	they make alot of money off of their inefficient care	Oct 12 17:36
fewa	its the workers that want it passed	Oct 12 17:36
fewa	not the institutions	Oct 12 17:36
DaemonFC	instead of 20% of their ER patients being no pays that default on the bill, they'd get 80% of the money on them at least	Oct 12 17:36
fewa	but they want single payer	Oct 12 17:36
fewa	not HR 3200	Oct 12 17:36
DaemonFC	plus what they were getting before	Oct 12 17:36
DaemonFC	fewa, Almost everyone except pharmaceutical and insurance cartels want this	Oct 12 17:38
fewa	what?	Oct 12 17:38
DaemonFC	the fact that there is this much resistance to the bill in Congress shows how powerful the lobbyists are	Oct 12 17:38
fewa	HR 3200 just prolongs the mess	Oct 12 17:38
fewa	http://pnhp.org/blog/2009/10/09/rodberg-is-there-any-way-out-for-obama/	Oct 12 17:38
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] i am most amused to see the articles about prince harry and chelsy firmly in the entertainment section of google news		Oct 12 17:46
Omar87	LOL! That friend of mine, she says: "Free stuff don't attract me". But then she uses MSN and facebook. :)	Oct 12 17:48
fewa	those things are not free	Oct 12 17:49
fewa	as your data is trapped	Oct 12 17:49
Omar87	fewa, free of charge.	Oct 12 17:49
fewa	but at the expense of chains	Oct 12 17:49
Omar87	fewa, these people, unfortunately, don't understand.	Oct 12 17:50
fewa	are you "those people"?	Oct 12 17:50
Omar87	don't understand that.	Oct 12 17:50
Omar87	Nope.	Oct 12 17:50
fewa	they why do you think you can speak for them?	Oct 12 17:50
Omar87	I know my rights and I value my freedom.	Oct 12 17:50
Omar87	I'm not speak for them.	Oct 12 17:51
Omar87	speaking*	Oct 12 17:51
DaemonFC	Omar87, I use Windows Live Messenger	Oct 12 17:51
DaemonFC	just cause everyone I know is on it	Oct 12 17:51
DaemonFC	Yahoo Messenger is dying	Oct 12 17:51
*schestowitz back from a meeting		Oct 12 17:51
Omar87	DaemonFC, honestly? same here. I uses Emesene only to hang out with my MSN only friends.	Oct 12 17:52
DaemonFC	Windows Live is getting popular just because it's offered by everything	Oct 12 17:52
*Diablo-D3 has quit ("do coders dream of sheep()?")		Oct 12 17:52
Omar87	DaemonFC, unfortunately.	Oct 12 17:52
DaemonFC	even Windows Updates includes Windows Live Essentials as an optional	Oct 12 17:52
Omar87	DaemonFC, but I don't use it very often these days.	Oct 12 17:52
DaemonFC	I am holding out some hope that someone will come along and reimplement WLM video conferencing	Oct 12 17:53
DaemonFC	Galaxium got close to that point and now it's stagnant	Oct 12 17:53
DaemonFC	encoding and decoding WMV/WMA streams isn't hard to do (It's what WLM uses)	Oct 12 17:54
DaemonFC	just depend on VLC, problem solved	Oct 12 17:54
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @scientes Chomsky's books banned at Guantánamo bay prison camp library http://chomsky.info/onchomsky/20091011.htm #censorship		Oct 12 17:58
schestowitz	I have this person mail me:"Re: who is this Bryce Byfield .. ?"	Oct 12 18:00
schestowitz	It's about http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/10/12/1512238/FOSS-Sexism-Claims-Met-With-Ire-and-Denial	Oct 12 18:00
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schestowitz	Friend of some anti-FSF troll	Oct 12 18:00
schestowitz	http://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+byfield&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GB	Oct 12 18:00
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schestowitz	DaemonFC: rememeber what caused the emergency in the first place	Oct 12 18:02
schestowitz	They give you bad pills and they also monetise the side effects :-D	Oct 12 18:02
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DaemonFC	no, it wasn't my lithium	Oct 12 18:03
DaemonFC	lithium was well below toxic	Oct 12 18:03
DaemonFC	lithium has never given me side effects	Oct 12 18:04
schestowitz	SO what was it?	Oct 12 18:05
DaemonFC	schestowitz, I suspect it was the sinus infection	Oct 12 18:06
DaemonFC	the EEG results are in tomorrow	Oct 12 18:06
DaemonFC	that may shed some light on things	Oct 12 18:06
DaemonFC	All I can do is guess until I see that, but if my brain activity is back to normal, I'm going to go with the sinus infection as the most likely cause	Oct 12 18:07
DaemonFC	bactrim cleared that up	Oct 12 18:08
schestowitz	DaemonFC: you pulled down "Who does the first piece of anti-health reform hate mail come from? My Aunt?"?	Oct 12 18:08
schestowitz	ALso, you may have not paid attention to the healthcare AstroTurf	Oct 12 18:08
DaemonFC	yeah, probably went too far hitting back at family	Oct 12 18:08
DaemonFC	she apologized for it anyway	Oct 12 18:09
schestowitz	I put links in BN on a daily basis while it was happening. it's like the swpat cartel. Same type of gangsters	Oct 12 18:09
schestowitz	"Of all the people I figured would have a reason to hate me for speaking out against a system that is corrupt and rotten to the core…"	Oct 12 18:09
schestowitz	:-)	Oct 12 18:09
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schestowitz	"It turns out that my Aunt Karen was the first to fire a nasty email at me for challenging the Rethuglican status quo."	Oct 12 18:09
DaemonFC	schestowitz, I said the meds are almost all overpriced and that a lot of them have side effects that go further to torture the patient than the syndrome they're supposed to treat	Oct 12 18:10
DaemonFC	not that a lot of them don't work, cause a lot of them do	Oct 12 18:10
schestowitz	"So let me get this straight, I’m probably $4,000+ in the hole for being taken into the emergency room as a law abiding citizen, but if I was a rapist in a state prison who had the same two seizures, I’d get free, quality healthcare?"	Oct 12 18:10
schestowitz	"Nothing too good for Charles Manson, is there? Oh the hypocrisy is so thick you could cut it with a machete, but I digress."	Oct 12 18:10
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Yes, I'm not too thrilled about that	Oct 12 18:10
schestowitz	LOL "When I am king, family will be outlawed…"	Oct 12 18:10
schestowitz	_hitcham_ would not like that	Oct 12 18:10
DaemonFC	if someone is going to get left to rot, wouldn't you think it would be the degenerates?	Oct 12 18:10
DaemonFC	the 3 million degenerates	Oct 12 18:11
DaemonFC	not the 48 million law abiding people?	Oct 12 18:11
schestowitz	Hmmmmmmmm... I posted nothing in BN today	Oct 12 18:11
schestowitz	Poor me ;-\|	Oct 12 18:11
schestowitz	No post ideas	Oct 12 18:11
schestowitz	And work getting in the way	Oct 12 18:12
schestowitz	48 million law abiding people?	Oct 12 18:12
schestowitz	WHat's that correspondent to?	Oct 12 18:12
DaemonFC	schestowitz, 48 million without health insurance that aren't in prison is what I mean	Oct 12 18:12
DaemonFC	in the United States	Oct 12 18:12
schestowitz	About 130m have no health insurance	Oct 12 18:12
schestowitz	Huh?	Oct 12 18:12
schestowitz	Wait	Oct 12 18:12
schestowitz	I thought it was it, but....	Oct 12 18:12
DaemonFC	while 3 million degenerates in prison have free healthcare	Oct 12 18:12
schestowitz	IIRC, the # is 40%	Oct 12 18:12
schestowitz	DaemonFC: oh, that	Oct 12 18:13
DaemonFC	well, schestowitz the 48 million is for those with NONE	Oct 12 18:13
schestowitz	Michael Moore wants to go to Guantanamo for free healthcare	Oct 12 18:13
DaemonFC	it probably doubles if you count gimmick and worthless insurance	Oct 12 18:13
schestowitz	Let me find the trailer	Oct 12 18:13
schestowitz	The US hasn't shortage of doctors, right?	Oct 12 18:14
DaemonFC	schestowitz, I recycled that line for the paper btw, they interviewed me over the phone	Oct 12 18:14
schestowitz	They can't be having much of a depression/recession either	Oct 12 18:14
DaemonFC	the "if I was a rapist I'd get free healthcare, but as a law abiding citizen, I'm $4000 in debt"	Oct 12 18:14
schestowitz	Unless it's plastic surgery or other wasteful activities	Oct 12 18:14
DaemonFC	schestowitz, lots of Chinese and Indian doctors around here	Oct 12 18:14
DaemonFC	it's hard to find one that you can understand	Oct 12 18:15
schestowitz	They should put you on radio. You have a good voice.	Oct 12 18:15
schestowitz	DaemonFC: I realised that the US would get doctros from other countries	Oct 12 18:15
DaemonFC	my last doctor (the one I'm not going back to) had to repeat "pull down your pants" five times during a physical	Oct 12 18:15
schestowitz	Which is why I doubted there was a shortage of them	Oct 12 18:15
DaemonFC	before I could understand him	Oct 12 18:15
schestowitz	The issue is getting highly /skilled/ ones	Oct 12 18:15
schestowitz	And what happens to the lesser skills who are not 'imported'	Oct 12 18:16
schestowitz	Health care, unlike IT, can't be offshored	Oct 12 18:16
DaemonFC	meh, there's a serious brain drain because of the alarming cost of medical school	Oct 12 18:16
DaemonFC	so we just import foreign doctors	Oct 12 18:16
schestowitz	I have a friend who's a medic now working in Oslo	Oct 12 18:16
DaemonFC	it's freaking stupid	Oct 12 18:16
schestowitz	It takes them AGES to get qualifications	Oct 12 18:16
schestowitz	Getting a medical honorary doctorate is only the first small step	Oct 12 18:17
schestowitz	'Education' is another cartel	Oct 12 18:17
DaemonFC	America is sick, George W. Bush was like a major heart attack, and I don't know that we'll ever fully recover	Oct 12 18:18
DaemonFC	lots of physical therapy :)	Oct 12 18:18
schestowitz	Kids take huge loans of money from parents to feed people who mess about on campus	Oct 12 18:18
schestowitz	It's a conspiracy of pedagogues	Oct 12 18:18
schestowitz	Keep the price artificially high	Oct 12 18:18
schestowitz	Call it admission/tuition	Oct 12 18:18
DaemonFC	well, there's also plenty of worthless degrees that people spend all kinds of money on	Oct 12 18:18
schestowitz	Never mind if all the lecture notes are online	Oct 12 18:18
schestowitz	So charge $40,000 per half a dozen of examinations	Oct 12 18:19
DaemonFC	Would YOU spend $30,000 for a 2 year forestry degree?	Oct 12 18:19
schestowitz	And rank up some schools to ensure the kids of rich families get the 'better' degrees	Oct 12 18:19
schestowitz	Same here in Oxbridge	Oct 12 18:19
schestowitz	It's a private club	Oct 12 18:19
schestowitz	Poor need not apply	Oct 12 18:19
DaemonFC	there's like 5 jobs in the state for that which pay roughly the same as being an assistant manager at McDonalds	Oct 12 18:19
DaemonFC	there's really no practical application for half the degrees they offer	Oct 12 18:19
schestowitz	[18:18] <DaemonFC> well, there's also plenty of worthless degrees that people spend all kinds of money on	Oct 12 18:20
schestowitz	Some lady sued recently	Oct 12 18:20
schestowitz	She couldn't get a job with a degree	Oct 12 18:20
schestowitz	So she sued the educator :-)	Oct 12 18:20
schestowitz	It's like people who ssued McDonalds	Oct 12 18:20
DaemonFC	she should have looked at the job market for people with that degree	Oct 12 18:20
schestowitz	"Stop making me want to eat!!!!!!!!!"	Oct 12 18:20
DaemonFC	it's totally her fault	Oct 12 18:20
schestowitz	Ignorance... you can't sue someone for exploiting stupidity, can you	Oct 12 18:20
DaemonFC	there's nothing wrong with picking something you like to do, but you should also make a living wage that compensates you for tuition	Oct 12 18:21
schestowitz	Tuition too is someone's job	Oct 12 18:21
schestowitz	That money goes somewhere	Oct 12 18:21
schestowitz	But here's my issue	Oct 12 18:21
DaemonFC	if you're getting a forestry degree, just go get a McDonalds job and save yourself the trouble	Oct 12 18:22
DaemonFC	I mean really	Oct 12 18:22
schestowitz	If the tuition pays for research and all, how come the public gets no results by industry funders do?	Oct 12 18:22
DaemonFC	colleges are a joke	Oct 12 18:22
schestowitz	ANd if taxpayers pay for resarch, how come companies make patents from it and the research kept locked away from those who funded it?	Oct 12 18:22
schestowitz	All these questions they don't want you to ask	Oct 12 18:23
DaemonFC	most people who can afford to go are just assholes who party and use drugs while parents pay the whole damned thing for them to float around on a 2.0 GPA	Oct 12 18:23
schestowitz	I occasionally ask that and people here cannot provide answers	Oct 12 18:23
schestowitz	Same when you ask people about the illegal Israeli occupation. They can't offer answer	Oct 12 18:23
schestowitz	There are many scams out there	Oct 12 18:23
schestowitz	USPTO	Oct 12 18:23
schestowitz	Big, big scam	Oct 12 18:23
schestowitz	Protection for big phramas, the IBMs, etc,.	Oct 12 18:23
DaemonFC	no worse than any other patent system	Oct 12 18:24
DaemonFC	not saying it isn't bad, I'm saying the US isn't the only country with a corrupt patent system	Oct 12 18:24
schestowitz	It's funny seeing the small 'inventors' thinking the USPTO is for them	Oct 12 18:24
DaemonFC	far from it	Oct 12 18:24
schestowitz	THey blow $10k and 5 years of their lives acquiring a patent	Oct 12 18:24
schestowitz	Then, they need to garden it	Oct 12 18:24
schestowitz	ANd what do they get? Nothing.	Oct 12 18:24
DaemonFC	I don't like the USPTO, my dad owns 9 patents that he doesn't have the rights to use	Oct 12 18:24
DaemonFC	how's that for irony?	Oct 12 18:25
schestowitz	They can't sue companies with bgi protfolio	Oct 12 18:25
DaemonFC	Thomson owns exclusive rights to all of them	Oct 12 18:25
schestowitz	So they auction it to some troll for puny amounts of $$	Oct 12 18:25
DaemonFC	if my dad could enforce them as an individual, he'd be getting royalties from TV makers, DVD player makers, MP3 implementers	Oct 12 18:26
DaemonFC	he's getting royally screwed	Oct 12 18:26
schestowitz	Of course	Oct 12 18:26
schestowitz	He's a patent writer to them	Oct 12 18:26
DaemonFC	was	Oct 12 18:26
schestowitz	http://media.ffii.org/EbaReferral090430/html/Wessels_en.html	Oct 12 18:26
schestowitz	""The European Patent Office is an executive organisation, it deals especially with patent applicants, as such, its view of the world may be biased. As an executive organisation, its interpretative powers are very limited. The European Patent Convention excludes computer programs, it is outside the EPO's power to change this." --Ante Wessels	Oct 12 18:27
DaemonFC	the patent system rarely protects individuals who actually invented something	Oct 12 18:27
DaemonFC	they're usually bogus and deliberately vague and owned by big companies	Oct 12 18:27
schestowitz	http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-jul-oct.html#24%20September%202008%20%28Patent%20Office%20on%20Strike%29	Oct 12 18:27
DaemonFC	I'd say 95% of them or more	Oct 12 18:27
schestowitz	“Staff at the European Patent Office went on strike accusing the organization of corruption: specifically, stretching the standards for patents in order to make more money.	Oct 12 18:27
schestowitz	“One of the ways that the EPO has done this is by issuing software patents in defiance of the treaty that set it up.”	Oct 12 18:27
schestowitz	"The European Patent Office is a Corrupt, Malicious Organisation Which Should Not Exist"--RMS	Oct 12 18:28
schestowitz	So the EPO has its problems too, not just USPTO	Oct 12 18:28
schestowitz	And with stuff like aCTA being cooked, the same cartels converge	Oct 12 18:28
schestowitz	WTO, WIPO, etc.....	Oct 12 18:28
DaemonFC	if the patent system worked for small inventors the way they say it does, my dad should be a wealthy man	Oct 12 18:28
schestowitz	http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/10/12/arthur-levinson-leaves-google-board-of-directors	Oct 12 18:29
DaemonFC	not working 50+ hours a week at age 57 just to break even on bills and keep his insurance	Oct 12 18:29
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schestowitz	DaemonFC: my dad's the same	Oct 12 18:29
schestowitz	Maybe even 60 hours/week	Oct 12 18:29
DaemonFC	lots of honest people are victims of their own success	Oct 12 18:29
schestowitz	No	Oct 12 18:29
DaemonFC	and they die broke and never get recognition they earned	Oct 12 18:29
schestowitz	A corrupt and discriminatory system	Oct 12 18:30
schestowitz	Those who run the system name the rules	Oct 12 18:30
schestowitz	So they can decide -- through their business party -- to trip up those whom they don't like	Oct 12 18:30
schestowitz	Like SMBs	Oct 12 18:30
DaemonFC	I asked my dad about his patents on MP3 a while back	Oct 12 18:30
schestowitz	Or Unions	Oct 12 18:30
DaemonFC	he said he'd rather unfile them if he could than see Thomson enforcing them	Oct 12 18:30
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Ubuntu “Karmic Koala” released for men http://bit.ly/lvtkn		Oct 12 18:30
phIRCe	Title: Ubuntu Karmic Koala released for men - News of the News .::. Size~: 34.36 KB	Oct 12 18:30
schestowitz	[18:29] <DaemonFC> and they die broke and never get recognition they earned	Oct 12 18:30
schestowitz	Some just die.	Oct 12 18:31
schestowitz	Not broke.	Oct 12 18:31
schestowitz	Just die;.	Oct 12 18:31
schestowitz	Like with Martin Luther King	Oct 12 18:31
schestowitz	His movement owed its success to many activists	Oct 12 18:31
schestowitz	And community leaders	Oct 12 18:31
schestowitz	He is the symbol though	Oct 12 18:31
schestowitz	ANd he has a whole day dedicated to him	Oct 12 18:31
schestowitz	People down south died for this revolution too	Oct 12 18:31
DaemonFC	schestowitz, At the time he worked on MP3, he said he never expected it to be very popular, much less be used for digital music collections	Oct 12 18:32
schestowitz	So going back to science, corporations get the glory	Oct 12 18:32
schestowitz	F*ckwits like Bill Gates	Oct 12 18:32
DaemonFC	so he never really thought that his work could be used to ensnare people	Oct 12 18:32
schestowitz	All hails ze leeeder	Oct 12 18:32
schestowitz	[18:32] <DaemonFC> so he never really thought that his work could be used to ensnare people	Oct 12 18:32
schestowitz	For whose benefit?	Oct 12 18:32
DaemonFC	at the time, it was seen as only being useful for corporate use	Oct 12 18:33
schestowitz	http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/10/12/stone-twitter-not-interested-in-video	Oct 12 18:33
phIRCe	Title: Stone: Twitter Not Interested In Video \| WebProNews .::. Size~: 27.41 KB	Oct 12 18:33
DaemonFC	personal computers were nowhere near powerful enough to decode an MP3, even if you wanted to	Oct 12 18:33
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] oh, and the bloody annoying "do you really want to leave?" popup on NotN should be gone. @dtobias, I used your complaint as the example.		Oct 12 18:33
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I am a domestic middle-aged suburban father who actively delights in being profoundly tedious. WE DO IT DELIBERATELY. #nationalcomingoutday		Oct 12 18:34
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard nice blog, scary ads/popups recently, esp. in Konq		Oct 12 18:36
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] .@schestowitz yeah. lot of us were gently pointing out that pissing off the regular readers is a good way to fail.		Oct 12 18:38
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard diy w/ WordPress, got export?		Oct 12 18:39
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/12/levinson_google/	Oct 12 18:40
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] /me thinks @davidgerard and @glynmoody should get off the 'cloud' and start own (self hosted) sites		Oct 12 18:40
phIRCe	Title: Google director quits to break Apple link • The Register .::. Size~: 21.49 KB	Oct 12 18:40
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schestowitz	Angela Merkel. Fail. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/12/merkel_google_books/	Oct 12 18:42
phIRCe	Title: Merkel rips into Google Books • The Register .::. Size~: 21.74 KB	Oct 12 18:42
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DaemonFC	well, I'm feeling better today than I have in a while, all I've had for pain is two tylenol when I woke up	Oct 12 18:52
schestowitz	http://apcmag.com/london-stock-exchange-set-to-migrate-from-net-to-linux.htm	Oct 12 18:53
schestowitz	I like the sound of that, even it it's a little old	Oct 12 18:53
DaemonFC	I need to see if I can find a soap box	Oct 12 18:54
DaemonFC	:P	Oct 12 18:54
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schestowitz	Password breaches lead to rise in email spam < http://www.securecomputing.net.au/News/157957,password-breaches-lead-to-rise-in-email-spam.aspx >	Oct 12 18:58
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*schestowitz has about 50 soapbox in the house		Oct 12 18:58
schestowitz	*boxes	Oct 12 18:59
DaemonFC	jono, When does Ubuntu plan to stop installing Sun JAVA and 32-bit Flash?	Oct 12 18:59
DaemonFC	those are annoying as dependencies of restricted extras	Oct 12 18:59
DaemonFC	and IcedTea is not "restricted"	Oct 12 18:59
jono	DaemonFC, no plans	Oct 12 18:59
schestowitz	jono: Leo probably needs my skype handle	Oct 12 18:59
DaemonFC	the 64-bit version of Flash is more appropriate, even as an alpha	Oct 12 18:59
jono	schestowitz indeed, today I will be sending over some questions, one of which is the skype handle	Oct 12 19:00
trmanco	virtualbox is a Qt app :-P	Oct 12 19:00
jono	schestowitz which email address can I get you on?	Oct 12 19:00
schestowitz	jono: ta	Oct 12 19:00
jono	msg me it if you like	Oct 12 19:00
schestowitz	jono: r @ schestowitz.com	Oct 12 19:00
jono	ahh cool	Oct 12 19:00
jono	just r or roy?	Oct 12 19:00
schestowitz	Either one	Oct 12 19:00
jono	cool	Oct 12 19:00
Omar87	schestowitz, do you have any articles that talk about the bad financial situation MS is running into? (preferably not from BN, not for anything but because they would better be written by neutral people)	Oct 12 19:01
schestowitz	roy->r (forwarder	Oct 12 19:01
jono	wicked	Oct 12 19:01
jono	thanks schestowitz	Oct 12 19:01
schestowitz	Omar87: yes, many	Oct 12 19:01
jono	right I am gonna run, it is my day off today! woo!	Oct 12 19:01
schestowitz	Which aspect though?	Oct 12 19:01
jono	and I am spending it...working on server stuff	Oct 12 19:01
jono	:)	Oct 12 19:01
Omar87	schestowitz, please enlighten me.	Oct 12 19:01
schestowitz	jono: so unlike Linus, you actually do some heavy lifting :-p	Oct 12 19:01
Omar87	aspect?	Oct 12 19:02
schestowitz	Omar87: what's the claim you try to defend?	Oct 12 19:02
schestowitz	Is it that Microsoft has fraud involved?	Oct 12 19:02
schestowitz	Or that Microsoft borrows money?	Oct 12 19:02
schestowitz	Or that Microsoft's income declines very sharply?	Oct 12 19:02
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schestowitz	They are all financial but separate items	Oct 12 19:02
Omar87	I'm trying to defend the claim that following Microsoft does not mean following the path of money and fortune.	Oct 12 19:03
schestowitz	AH, that.	Oct 12 19:03
schestowitz	That's different	Oct 12 19:03
Omar87	It means that Microsoft is criminal thief.	Oct 12 19:03
schestowitz	The oligarch doesn't share wealth more than minimally required	Oct 12 19:03
schestowitz	It's like all those minion who chase Gates coat tails	Oct 12 19:04
Omar87	is a criminal thief.	Oct 12 19:04
schestowitz	They think he'll toss a nickel at em	Oct 12 19:04
trmanco	Twitter os borked again	Oct 12 19:04
trmanco	is*	Oct 12 19:04
Omar87	exactly.	Oct 12 19:04
schestowitz	THat's why many people are like little school gals/guys around rich people	Oct 12 19:04
schestowitz	/Adult/ people	Oct 12 19:04
Omar87	schestowitz, exactly.	Oct 12 19:04
schestowitz	And the opposite sex starts laughing insanely at every thing they say	Oct 12 19:05
ThistleWeb	schestowitz: he does toss a nickel at them, often painfully, at force, for the entertainment of watching the now hurting sicophnat thank them for it	Oct 12 19:05
schestowitz	Even if it's totally unfunny	Oct 12 19:05
Omar87	schestowitz, some people compare MS to heaven oh Earth. :)	Oct 12 19:05
schestowitz	Omar87: show them betrayal stories	Oct 12 19:05
schestowitz	Companies that Microsoft screwed	Oct 12 19:05
schestowitz	!google Companies that Microsoft screwed	Oct 12 19:05
phIRCe	[1] - Microsoft 'Screwed up' Windows Mobile, Ballmer Admits - Business ... \| http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/172684/microsoft_screwed_up_windows_mobile_ballmer_admits.html	Oct 12 19:06
phIRCe	[2] - Microsoft organizes secret "screw Google" campaign \| MacNN \| http://www.macnn.com/articles/09/08/28/screw.google.campaign/	Oct 12 19:06
phIRCe	[3] - Silobreaker: CEO Ballmer Reportedly Says Microsoft 'Screwed Up'... \| http://www.silobreaker.com/ceo-ballmer-reportedly-says-microsoft-screwed-up-with-windows-mobile-5_2262629392259743745	Oct 12 19:06
phIRCe	[4] - Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer Says Company 'Screwed Up' Windows Mobile \| http://maximumitblips.dailyradar.com/article/microsoft-ceo-steve-ballmer-says-company-screwed-up/	Oct 12 19:06
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schestowitz	!google Microsoft screwed partners	Oct 12 19:06
phIRCe	[1] - Why Your Vendor Screwed Up Your SharePoint Project - Elumenotion Blog \| http://www.elumenotion.com/Blog/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx%3FID%3D88	Oct 12 19:06
phIRCe	[2] - Microsoft Kills Another Product and May Alienate Partners ... \| http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/27/dynamics-mobile-officially-dead/	Oct 12 19:06
phIRCe	[3] - CEO Ballmer Reportedly Says Microsoft 'Screwed Up' with Windows Mobile \| http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Windows/Microsoft-CEO-Steve-Ballmer-Says-Company-Screwed-Up-Windows-Mobile-241614/	Oct 12 19:06
phIRCe	[4] - Silobreaker: Microsoft screwed up with Windows Mobile... says M... \| http://www.silobreaker.com/microsoft-screwed-up-with-windows-mobile-says-microsoft-boss-5_2262628590174601220	Oct 12 19:06
schestowitz	Heh.	Oct 12 19:06
Omar87	schestowitz, to them, this is considered "smart business tactics".	Oct 12 19:06
schestowitz	BoycottNovell at #2 there	Oct 12 19:06
Omar87	can you give me links?	Oct 12 19:06
schestowitz	Omar87: show the companies that though they were Microsoft 'partners'	Oct 12 19:07
schestowitz	Cisco, Novell, Linspire, IBM.....	Oct 12 19:07
schestowitz	Omar87: smart business tactic is competing against the leaders	Oct 12 19:07
schestowitz	Not being their lapdog	Oct 12 19:07
Omar87	Wasn't IBM an accomplice in the stealing of DOS?	Oct 12 19:08
schestowitz	Red Hat went against Microsoft and hit the jackpot	Oct 12 19:08
Omar87	schestowitz, true.	Oct 12 19:08
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schestowitz	Omar87: not that	Oct 12 19:08
schestowitz	Microsoft was an OS/2 partner	Oct 12 19:08
Omar87	schestowitz, now their doing virtualization projects together.	Oct 12 19:09
schestowitz	Omar87: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/IBM	Oct 12 19:09
schestowitz	Show the smoking guns maybe	Oct 12 19:09
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schestowitz	That's not article	Oct 12 19:09
schestowitz	That's Microsoft's own words	Oct 12 19:09
amd-linux	CEO of China Mobile announces that all their future smart-phones will have to run with Ophone (Android derivative, Linux) - they have currently 500 mn customers	Oct 12 19:09
amd-linux	http://www.ftd.de/it-medien/it-telekommunikation/:handymarkt-china-mobile-will-smartphone-preise-druecken/50021920.html	Oct 12 19:10
schestowitz	hold on. On phone.	Oct 12 19:10
phIRCe	Title: FTD.de \| Handymarkt: China Mobile will Smartphone-Preise drücken .::. Size~: 188.91 KB	Oct 12 19:10
schestowitz	Wow	Oct 12 19:10
trmanco	http://identi.ca/notice/11888100	Oct 12 19:10
amd-linux	was exclusive on ftd..de today	Oct 12 19:10
amd-linux	Gemran only	Oct 12 19:10
phIRCe	Title: Christian Einfeldt (einfeldt) 's status on Monday, 12-Oct-09 18:08:47 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 7.26 KB	Oct 12 19:10
trmanco	http://bit.ly/G6exN	Oct 12 19:10
amd-linux	German	Oct 12 19:10
phIRCe	Title: Windows 7 – It’s Vista All Over Again : Jim Louderback .::. Size~: 38.01 KB	Oct 12 19:10
trmanco	oh	Oct 12 19:11
trmanco	oops	Oct 12 19:11
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schestowitz	amd-linux: that's good enough	Oct 12 19:12
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amd-linux	CM is kicking nokias butt.... they want to bring down handset prices in order to broaden the market for their app store	Oct 12 19:14
amd-linux	there they want to cash in	Oct 12 19:14
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schestowitz	http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/11/AR2009101100132.html	Oct 12 19:20
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schestowitz	PetoKraus: are you gonna use kde4?	Oct 12 19:21
PetoKraus	nope mate	Oct 12 19:21
PetoKraus	i'm E fan	Oct 12 19:21
PetoKraus	;)	Oct 12 19:21
schestowitz	On a new PC"?	Oct 12 19:21
PetoKraus	nah	Oct 12 19:21
schestowitz	I liked E	Oct 12 19:21
ThistleWeb	E - aka "the ravers WM" lol	Oct 12 19:22
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PetoKraus	ravers?	Oct 12 19:24
schestowitz	ricers	Oct 12 19:24
PetoKraus	heh	Oct 12 19:24
PetoKraus	well, i'm just too used to it	Oct 12 19:24
ThistleWeb	ravers = people who go to raves	Oct 12 19:24
schestowitz	Here's a stupid company that mixes FOSS and "IP": Protecode Announces Release 3.0 Of Software Lifecycle IP Management Portfolio < http://www.darkreading.com/security/management/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=220600203 >	Oct 12 19:24
PetoKraus	and I started using it before I touched gentoo ;)	Oct 12 19:24
phIRCe	Title: Protecode Announces Release 3.0 Of Software Lifecycle IP Management Portfolio - DarkReading .::. Size~: 71.78 KB	Oct 12 19:24
ThistleWeb	clubbers woulda been a better word	Oct 12 19:24
schestowitz	Some audio distros use E	Oct 12 19:25
PetoKraus	it's pretty sleek	Oct 12 19:25
PetoKraus	and low on memory	Oct 12 19:25
ThistleWeb	pop some pills and dance away with seemingly infinite energy	Oct 12 19:25
PetoKraus	though I've got 8GB now...	Oct 12 19:25
schestowitz	Too much :-)	Oct 12 19:25
PetoKraus	well yeah, though i'm planning to virtualize quite a lot now	Oct 12 19:26
PetoKraus	the thing is... my PSU is loud	Oct 12 19:26
schestowitz	Can you serve me some RAM over LAN?	Oct 12 19:26
trmanco	that would be what? Rain computing?	Oct 12 19:28
schestowitz	"Open" (mis)used to describe the 'open core' nonsense: http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS83942+12-Oct-2009+BW20091012	Oct 12 19:38
schestowitz	When it rains, it pours	Oct 12 19:39
schestowitz	Semi/pseudo OSS company wants mysql customers: Ingres Goes After Sun's Customers < http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/database/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=220600172&subSection=All+Stories >	Oct 12 19:40
phIRCe	Title: Ingres Goes After Sun's Customers -- open source database -- InformationWeek .::. Size~: 85.88 KB	Oct 12 19:40
MinceR	apparently byfield managed to get another piece of bullshit onto /.	Oct 12 19:40
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schestowitz	MinceR: yes, someone alerted me	Oct 12 19:46
schestowitz	I look forward to the "sexism in IT" articls	Oct 12 19:46
MinceR	i look forward to the time when assholes like this will find that their money source, m$, has dried up	Oct 12 19:47
MinceR	and they can look for a new job	Oct 12 19:47
schestowitz	He's not a shill	Oct 12 19:49
schestowitz	He's just not supporting FS so much anymore	Oct 12 19:49
schestowitz	He wrote about this in his blog	Oct 12 19:49
schestowitz	Now he's leaving comments in the site which attacks BN	Oct 12 19:49
MinceR	he's not supporting it as much as attacking it	Oct 12 19:49
schestowitz	The site that shows RMS as Ivan the slaughterer	Oct 12 19:49
schestowitz	With the face superimposed	Oct 12 19:49
MinceR	disgusting	Oct 12 19:50
schestowitz	Brucie found new friends	Oct 12 19:50
schestowitz	Apple Mac fans who attack RMS	Oct 12 19:51
MinceR	with deep pockets, for a few years	Oct 12 19:51
MinceR	oh, those	Oct 12 19:51
MinceR	i wonder where they intend to steal their code from if they get what they wish	Oct 12 19:51
MinceR	or perhaps they're hoping to hire the entire *bsd community to code stuff for them?	Oct 12 19:51
MinceR	if so, i'm interested in this alternate plane of existence that's full of money where they're planning to get the salaries from.	Oct 12 19:52
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] There are many positive reviews of Desktop GNU Linux recently...		Oct 12 19:55
schestowitz	OK, APIs work again	Oct 12 19:56
schestowitz	Let me post some news :-) Yay!	Oct 12 19:56
schestowitz	Apple is off the news too recently	Oct 12 19:56
schestowitz	No news products	Oct 12 19:56
schestowitz	They just added a "Snot" before the "leopard"	Oct 12 19:56
schestowitz	Products draught	Oct 12 19:56
schestowitz	Service Packs is all they have, like the friends north of Cupertino	Oct 12 19:57
MinceR	perhaps jobs is already dead and they can only show old photos and lookalikes? :>	Oct 12 19:57
MinceR	like certain eastern dictators? :>	Oct 12 19:57
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schestowitz	Korea...	Oct 12 20:05
schestowitz	They GIMPed the old bugger	Oct 12 20:05
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux.conf.au Opens to the Masses http://bit.ly/21TT0w		Oct 12 20:19
phIRCe	Title: Registration Opens For LCA2010 \| Lifehacker Australia .::. Size~: 29.27 KB	Oct 12 20:19
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #DistroWatch Weekly Gives #Sabayon #Linux 5 a Go http://bit.ly/XWxf6		Oct 12 20:27
phIRCe	Title: DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. .::. Size~: 84.99 KB	Oct 12 20:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia Blurs the Gap Between #Phone and Desktop, Using #Linux and #Qt http://ur1.ca/dg34 http://ur1.ca/dg35		Oct 12 20:29
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phIRCe	Title: Nokia N900 Smartphone: Apps and future Maemo Linux versions : Product Reviews Net .::. Size~: 17.7 KB	Oct 12 20:30
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] K Desktop Environment Over 4 Million LOCs Just for Core http://bit.ly/1U7mwC #kde		Oct 12 20:33
phIRCe	Title: The Blog of Cornelius: 4,273,291 lines of code .::. Size~: 59.75 KB	Oct 12 20:33
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sebsebseb	MinceR: hi	Oct 12 20:46
trmanco		Oct 12 20:47
sebsebseb	trmanco:	Oct 12 20:47
trmanco		Oct 12 20:47
sebsebseb		Oct 12 20:47
trmanco	hi there	Oct 12 20:47
sebsebseb	hi	Oct 12 20:47
sebsebseb		Oct 12 20:48
sebsebseb		Oct 12 20:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Subnotebooks with #Linux and #Google : cloudbook Reborn? http://bit.ly/26wVha		Oct 12 20:49
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ARM Pleased with #GNU #Linux on Its Sub-notebooks http://ur1.ca/dg59		Oct 12 20:50
phIRCe	Title: Arm Uses Laptops to Protect Mobile Phone Turf From Intel - PC World .::. Size~: 62.78 KB	Oct 12 20:50
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #France Expands Its Commitment to #FreeSoftware with New Research Centre http://ur1.ca/dg5c		Oct 12 20:52
phIRCe	Title: France begins IT research centre on innovation and free software — .::. Size~: 27.93 KB	Oct 12 20:52
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Luminary Jon "Maddog" Hall Deserves #Nobel Prize http://ur1.ca/dg5j		Oct 12 20:53
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Grows in Circles in #Egypt http://bit.ly/kS3Vb		Oct 12 20:54
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DaemonFC	EEG results are in, brain activity is normal	Oct 12 21:04
DaemonFC	now I'm confused	Oct 12 21:04
DaemonFC	oh well	Oct 12 21:04
DaemonFC	there went another $800 probably	Oct 12 21:04
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open #SPARC Architecture Lives http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/44254/135/		Oct 12 21:05
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Unethical Deeds by Intellectual Monopolists http://ur1.ca/dg8f http://ur1.ca/derl		Oct 12 21:10
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Musicians Rebels Against Moguls http://ur1.ca/db4k , There is a Better Way http://ur1.ca/dg8n		Oct 12 21:11
phIRCe	Title: Musicians Starting To Assert Copyright Termination Rights Against Record Labels \| Techdirt .::. Size~: 58.55 KB	Oct 12 21:11
trmanco	http://www.unixmen.com/news-today/425-almost-entire-public-sector-in-france-is-using-open-source-	Oct 12 21:11
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DaemonFC	schestowitz, I have a baseball cap with the skull and crossbones on it that says "Pirate for life"	Oct 12 21:12
DaemonFC	:)	Oct 12 21:12
schestowitz	Arrrr....	Oct 12 21:12
DaemonFC	those industry people deserve to be mocked relentlessly	Oct 12 21:13
schestowitz	MinceR, sebsebseb: did you ppost whitespace as a message	Oct 12 21:13
schestowitz	Or is it an IRC error?	Oct 12 21:13
MinceR	i did	Oct 12 21:13
schestowitz	OK	Oct 12 21:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SFLC Explains Need to Occasionally Denounce Threats to Freedom http://bit.ly/9QxXa		Oct 12 21:13
schestowitz	I thought I had gone bonkers	Oct 12 21:13
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MinceR	and i saw his as such	Oct 12 21:13
sebsebseb	schestowitz: a space as a mesage yes :D	Oct 12 21:14
schestowitz		Oct 12 21:14
schestowitz		Oct 12 21:14
schestowitz	I c	Oct 12 21:14
sebsebseb		Oct 12 21:14
sebsebseb		Oct 12 21:14
*MinceR		Oct 12 21:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Coming soon - A conversation with Indiana Gregg and the setting the record straight against the libelous comments about her by others.		Oct 12 21:14
DaemonFC	Indiana is one hell of a strange place, politically	Oct 12 21:15
DaemonFC	split right down the middle between the far left and far right, and it shows	Oct 12 21:15
trmanco	schestowitz: final version of konversation has been released	Oct 12 21:17
schestowitz	OK, I guess it will come via updates?	Oct 12 21:18
schestowitz	I'm on beta1	Oct 12 21:18
*schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNDArT0PpxE		Oct 12 21:21
phIRCe	Title: YouTube - If they called it I Cant Believe Its Not Insurance, maybe nobody would buy it! .::. Size~: 114.45 KB	Oct 12 21:21
trmanco	testing a bug http://ur1.ca/db4k	Oct 12 21:22
phIRCe	Title: Musicians Starting To Assert Copyright Termination Rights Against Record Labels \| Techdirt .::. Size~: 58.55 KB	Oct 12 21:22
schestowitz	"I can't believe it's not insurance"	Oct 12 21:24
schestowitz	trmanco: yes, heard of it (see above)	Oct 12 21:24
schestowitz	I love it!	Oct 12 21:24
schestowitz	Actual producers versus phat cats who exploited them	Oct 12 21:24
trmanco	I'm still on alpha	Oct 12 21:25
MinceR	that's pretty unfair to cats	Oct 12 21:25
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trmanco	http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/1111-Chromium-It-really-shines.html	Oct 12 21:39
phIRCe	Title: Chromium: It really shines - Amarok Blog .::. Size~: 32.65 KB	Oct 12 21:39
trmanco	if it was Qt it would shine even more	Oct 12 21:40
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_goblin	hi all...	Oct 12 21:47
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trmanco	I wonder if I can do bold titles	Oct 12 21:54
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trmanco	http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/1111-Chromium-It-really-shines.html	Oct 12 21:59
phIRCe	Hello World!	Oct 12 21:59
schestowitz	Hi, _goblin	Oct 12 21:59
phIRCe	\u0002:Title:	Oct 12 21:59
trmanco	LOL	Oct 12 21:59
*schestowitz waves back		Oct 12 21:59
schestowitz	Chrome uses KDE(KHTML) with some Apple patches	Oct 12 22:00
_goblin	hi	Oct 12 22:01
_goblin	did everyone see a pic of my son....?	Oct 12 22:01
schestowitz	webkkkit...	Oct 12 22:01
schestowitz	_goblin: where?	Oct 12 22:01
_goblin	http://twitpic.com/l4q5a	Oct 12 22:01
phIRCe	\u0002:Title:	Oct 12 22:01
trmanco	!quit phIRCe	Oct 12 22:02
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_goblin	now if thats not the most handsome lad on the planet, I don't know what is.	Oct 12 22:02
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trmanco	http://twitpic.com/l4q5a	Oct 12 22:03
schestowitz	Here's moi http://schestowitz.com/Images/Pictures/Roy85.jpg	Oct 12 22:03
phIRCe	Hello World!	Oct 12 22:03
phIRCe	0x02Title: My son in high spirits after removing MONO from his favorite ... on Twitpic .::. Size~: 7.1 KB	Oct 12 22:03
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trmanco	:\|	Oct 12 22:03
schestowitz	Hehe,.	Oct 12 22:03
schestowitz	Using kids for campaign to remove M[icrosoft]ono	Oct 12 22:03
_goblin	schestowitz: LOL.....you look like my eldest did!	Oct 12 22:04
schestowitz	Not anymore	Oct 12 22:04
_goblin	lol...	Oct 12 22:04
schestowitz	I cut my hair very short, too	Oct 12 22:04
schestowitz	Growing it back now	Oct 12 22:04
_goblin	my lad is making his own Linux ad..... "Im a Linux PC and Im a year and 3 months"....beat that Microsoft.	Oct 12 22:05
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_goblin	the wife wanted his pic up for friends so he decided to use the opportunity to put his message about Mono and Ballmer out...	Oct 12 22:06
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] mmm, pie. http://is.gd/4fV6t		Oct 12 22:11
phIRCe	0x02Title: ONE MILLION FROZEN MIXED FRUIT PIES 70g 'Fruit Puff' on eBay (end time 21-Oct-09 20:00:23 BST) .::. Size~: 68.52 KB	Oct 12 22:11
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trmanco	I can't figure out how to do it	Oct 12 22:15
MinceR	http://www.myextralife.com/comic/comic-scotts-360-is-dead/	Oct 12 22:15
phIRCe	Hello World!	Oct 12 22:15
phIRCe	Title: COPPA - Children's Online Privacy Protection .::. Size~: 1.59 KB	Oct 12 22:15
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phIRCe	Title: free-as-in-node .::. Size~: 18.42 KB	Oct 12 22:15
phIRCe	Title: geeknic.org .::. Size~: 53.77 KB	Oct 12 22:15
trmanco	ah great	Oct 12 22:16
phIRCe	Title: Not a web page! Aborting type .::. Size~: 0 KB	Oct 12 22:16
schestowitz	MinceR: so that's why Adus was hired by MSFT?	Oct 12 22:17
MinceR	well, not exactly, unless they had lionhead "design" the xbox360	Oct 12 22:18
MinceR	but it's still along the same lines	Oct 12 22:18
schestowitz	Yes, I know	Oct 12 22:18
schestowitz	Monohead	Oct 12 22:18
MinceR	they needed to have some shit in a box so they had something to sell	Oct 12 22:18
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phIRCe	Hello World!	Oct 12 22:24
trmanco	http://www.myextralife.com/comic/comic-scotts-360-is-dead/	Oct 12 22:24
phIRCe	Title: EXTRALIFE By Scott Johnson - Comic: Scotts 360 is Dead .::. Size~: 48.95 KB	Oct 12 22:24
trmanco	ha	Oct 12 22:24
trmanco	it works	Oct 12 22:24
trmanco	http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/10/att-accused-of-regulatory-capitalism-as-fcc-probes-google-voice.ars	Oct 12 22:25
phIRCe	Title: Is AT&T targeting Google Voice to stop "traffic pumping"? - Ars Technica .::. Size~: 49.38 KB	Oct 12 22:25
trmanco	http://google.com	Oct 12 22:25
phIRCe	Title: Google .::. Size~: 8.31 KB	Oct 12 22:25
trmanco	http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/06/science/06nobel.html?hp	Oct 12 22:26
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phIRCe	Hello World!	Oct 12 22:27
trmanco	http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/06/science/06nobel.html?hp	Oct 12 22:27
phIRCe	Title: The New York Times > Log In .::. Size~: 9.68 KB	Oct 12 22:27
trmanco	heh...	Oct 12 22:28
trmanco	solved	Oct 12 22:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Company CEO Finds Out Why #Windows7 is Called #Vista7 http://ping.fm/a62p1		Oct 12 22:35
phIRCe	Title: Company CEO Finds Out Why Windows 7 is Called Vista 7 \| Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 99.63 KB	Oct 12 22:35
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Things that make you go "poop": offer to be flown to Italy to give wikipedia talk. Same day as really rather important job interview. Bah!		Oct 12 22:48
trmanco	just had a power loss :\|	Oct 12 22:50
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SFLC Technology Director Explains When Denouncement is Justified http://ping.fm/fACII		Oct 12 22:55
schestowitz	MinceR: it occurred to me that our fellow from Microsoft has a name that's suggestive	Oct 12 22:55
schestowitz	Replace "d" with "n"	Oct 12 22:56
MinceR	:)	Oct 12 22:56
MinceR	one of our fellows from m$, anyway	Oct 12 22:56
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phIRCe	Hello World!	Oct 12 23:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] Lest there be any doubt that Prop 8 was about hatred and bigotry: http://bit.ly/kQkiT		Oct 12 23:01
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DaemonFC	this GPU turned out to be some weird double decker model so I have to wait another week to see if it's actually going to fit into that PC	Oct 12 23:03
DaemonFC	QVC is really slow	Oct 12 23:03
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Dolly mixtures. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/15680.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/529627.html		Oct 12 23:18
phIRCe	Title: reddragdiva \| Dolly mixtures. .::. Size~: 28.72 KB	Oct 12 23:18
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schestowitz	"@schestowitz: #SFLC I suppose the real question is whether pluralism or single mindedness work best? And that guess is like throwing a dice." http://identi.ca/notice/11902511 "#SFLC Single mindedness often makes us feel better, even when it's not the most effective strategy."	Oct 12 23:22
phIRCe	Title: silner (silner) 's status on Monday, 12-Oct-09 21:56:42 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 7.12 KB	Oct 12 23:22
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patents Roundup: #Microsoft ’s #SoftwarePatents Trick in the EU Revisited and #Google Patents Spellchecker http://ping.fm/VmZCe		Oct 12 23:30
phIRCe	Title: Patents Roundup: Microsofts Software Patents Trick in the EU Revisited and Google Patents Spellchecker \| Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 105.54 KB	Oct 12 23:30
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trmanco	1,077 up votes 482 down votes	Oct 12 23:41
trmanco	gee	Oct 12 23:41
trmanco	http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/9t8tb/ruh_rohhuge_bug_in_apples_snow_leopard_deletes/	Oct 12 23:45
phIRCe	Title: Ruh Roh...huge bug in Apple's Snow Leopard deletes all users data when they log in and out on the guest account. : technology .::. Size~: 419.5 KB	Oct 12 23:45
trmanco	some of the actual Mac users say that it isn't happened, the other just eat the bait and say "zmog it's a huge bug"	Oct 12 23:46
trmanco	makes me remind of some other place	Oct 12 23:46
schestowitz	It happened before	Oct 12 23:48
schestowitz	!google massive apple bug deletes	Oct 12 23:49
phIRCe	[1] - tomkarpik.com » Massive Data Loss Bug in Leopard \| http://tomkarpik.com/articles/massive-data-loss-bug-in-leopard/	Oct 12 23:49
phIRCe	[2] - Snow Leopard bug deletes all user data - Network World \| http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/101209-snow-leopard-bug-deletes-all.html%3Fhpg1%3Dbn	Oct 12 23:49
phIRCe	[3] - Snow Leopard 'Guest Account' bug deleting user files, terrorizing ... \| http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/12/snow-leopard-guest-account-bug-deleting-user-files-terrorizin/	Oct 12 23:49
phIRCe	[4] - Bugs & Fixes: Apple TV deletes files \| Apple TV \| Mac 911 \| Macworld \| http://www.macworld.com/article/141271/2009/06/appletv_files.html	Oct 12 23:49
schestowitz	See the first one	Oct 12 23:49
trmanco	heh, oops	Oct 12 23:51
trmanco	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCola_%28drink%29	Oct 12 23:51
phIRCe	Title: OpenCola (drink) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 42.52 KB	Oct 12 23:51
trmanco	yay	Oct 12 23:52
trmanco	"The Toronto-based company Opencola founded by Grad Conn,"	Oct 12 23:52
trmanco	:)	Oct 12 23:52
trmanco	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Beer	Oct 12 23:54
phIRCe	Title: Free Beer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 35.43 KB	Oct 12 23:54
trmanco	!google porting osx cocoa carbon api linux	Oct 12 23:57
phIRCe	[1] - Mac OS X - Cocoa, Carbon, Classic, Darwin, Aqua, Rosetta ... \| https://people.chem.umass.edu/wiki/index.php%3Ftitle%3DMac_OS_X_-_Cocoa%252C_Carbon%252C_Classic%252C_Darwin%252C_Aqua%252C_Rosetta	Oct 12 23:57
phIRCe	[2] - Mac Dev Center: Porting UNIX/Linux Applications to Mac OS X ... \| http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/Porting/Conceptual/PortingUnix/io_porting/io_porting.html	Oct 12 23:57
phIRCe	[3] - qt using cocoa without x11 - Linux Archive \| http://www.linux-archive.org/gentoo-alt/341609-qt-using-cocoa-without-x11.html	Oct 12 23:57
phIRCe	[4] - Is carbon the low level API for Cocoa ? [Archive] - The ... \| http://forums.macosxhints.com/archive/index.php/t-11457.html	Oct 12 23:57
trmanco	meh	Oct 12 23:57

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