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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 18th, 2009

Chips_B_Malroybut still could not competeOct 18 00:00
fewaits a inequality of governmentsOct 18 00:00
fewaif you have free flow of capital, but not labor you have capital voting for the most opressive regimesOct 18 00:00
fewathats why they always talk about ChinaOct 18 00:00
Chips_B_Malroyits about money, the powers that be, the rich shifting wealth and controlOct 18 00:00
fewawhat about India? Russia? Brazil?Oct 18 00:00
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fewano, because they want all those countries to be as opressive as ChinaOct 18 00:01
fewaBrazil is doing it wellOct 18 00:01
oiaohmBrazil is ahead in a lot of things.  Including the use of biofuels.Oct 18 00:01
fewaIndia understands anglo-american propaganda and controlOct 18 00:01
fewaoiaohm, and real biofuelsOct 18 00:01
fewanot sham cornOct 18 00:01
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fewawhich is only used due to massive protectionism and subsidizesOct 18 00:02
oiaohmCars in Brazil lot of them can run on anything like the old model T could.Oct 18 00:02
Chips_B_Malroyso NAFTA took away the good manufacturing jobs, which left mostly service jobs for the middle class.  Illegal imigration caused those jobs to stay at the same pay rate for many yearsOct 18 00:02
oiaohmPeople forget the first car 100 percent biofuel compadible was the Model TOct 18 00:02
fewaChips_B_Malroy, no, immigration is good, if there was free flow of labor then people would have a state in economics'Oct 18 00:03
fewathe people would move to the best governmentOct 18 00:03
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fewa(now there are alot of other problems)Oct 18 00:03
oiaohmWe have just gone down hill since then.  Law should simple past word wide if car cannot run on the same ranges of fuel as the model T it cannot be sol.Oct 18 00:03
Chips_B_MalroyNo the people will not always move to the best government.  They will move to the country that provides the highest standard of livingOct 18 00:04
fewathe mobilization of people was highest in the 19th centuryOct 18 00:04
fewait is _way_ downOct 18 00:04
fewaand this is a opressive formOct 18 00:04
Diablo-D3I wish people would quit saying biofuelOct 18 00:04
Diablo-D3its like its special or somethingOct 18 00:04
Diablo-D3its notOct 18 00:04
Diablo-D3diesel is dieselOct 18 00:04
Diablo-D3this is the entire point of the diesel engineOct 18 00:04
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fewaDiablo-D3, yepOct 18 00:04
fewaeveryone tries to pretend things are newOct 18 00:04
oiaohmWhat I am refering to is not diesel its petrol replacementOct 18 00:05
fewaethanolOct 18 00:05
Diablo-D3I dont know why people would used oil diesel thoughOct 18 00:05
Diablo-D3its rather inefficientOct 18 00:05
fewabut biodiesel is betterOct 18 00:05
Diablo-D3and it tends to ruin diesel enginesOct 18 00:05
Diablo-D3all the filter changing and cleaning shit and shitOct 18 00:05
fewabiodiesel much better than ethanolOct 18 00:05
oiaohmIe petrol style engines that can run on ethanol and methanol.Oct 18 00:05
Diablo-D3algea biodisel is the most efficient shit out there for that kind of shitOct 18 00:05
oiaohmIf they are designed right.Oct 18 00:05
Diablo-D3oiaohm: problem is ethanol sucksOct 18 00:05
oiaohmMethanol is lot simpler and can be produced in larger ammounts Oct 18 00:06
fewaelectricOct 18 00:06
fewawe have the batteries for it these daysOct 18 00:06
fewaand with an extensive wind deployment it would work very wellOct 18 00:06
Diablo-D3electric doesnt seem like the right answerOct 18 00:06
fewaand geothermalOct 18 00:06
Diablo-D3oiaohm: and btw, noOct 18 00:06
oiaohmMethanol also can be used in fuel cells for electricOct 18 00:06
fewaelectric cars are powerfulOct 18 00:06
Diablo-D3methanol and ethanol doesnt seem like the right answerOct 18 00:06
fewaand much lighterOct 18 00:06
Chips_B_Malroyanyone else old enough to remember when they took out the trolleys?Oct 18 00:06
Diablo-D3and fewa, why bring up geothermalOct 18 00:06
fewaand they dont need repairOct 18 00:06
fewaDiablo-D3, cause its a big potential source of electricityOct 18 00:07
fewathe US has lots of itOct 18 00:07
oiaohmYou can produce disel from wood.Oct 18 00:07
fewain Idaho and WyomingOct 18 00:07
fewaoiaohm, wood, wtfOct 18 00:07
oiaohmEarly stage of that process you get MethanolOct 18 00:07
fewawood is valuableOct 18 00:07
fewamaybe hemp or somethingOct 18 00:07
oiaohmBasically anything with cellouse.Oct 18 00:07
fewabut word is really valuableOct 18 00:07
amarsh04queensland premier wants to produce aviation fuel from algae and waste co2Oct 18 00:07
Chips_B_Malroywood is a renewable source, but not clean burningOct 18 00:07
fewaChips_B_Malroy, not very renewableOct 18 00:08
fewaChips_B_Malroy, _much_ less efficient than hempOct 18 00:08
oiaohmfewa:  even old degraded wood can be put threw the process.Oct 18 00:08
fewaand it destroys streams, rivers, and biodiversityOct 18 00:08
Diablo-D3fewa: I think you misunderstoodOct 18 00:08
fewaever seen an old growth forrest?Oct 18 00:08
Chips_B_MalroyI used to be a wood burner, 5 1/2 cords a winterOct 18 00:08
Diablo-D3one is good as the otherOct 18 00:08
fewaits beautifulOct 18 00:08
Diablo-D3geothermal, tidal, normal hydro, solar, windOct 18 00:08
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Diablo-D3all as good as the otherOct 18 00:09
fewagrow hemp for fiberOct 18 00:09
fewamuch for efficientOct 18 00:09
Chips_B_Malroycut my own firewood tooOct 18 00:09
fewaDiablo-D3, tidal and solar I havnt seen much promiseOct 18 00:09
oiaohmThe process for produce desile from wood can be used on like the waste from suger production...  yes the junk from production not what we want to eat.Oct 18 00:09
Diablo-D3erm, fewa Oct 18 00:09
fewabut i could be mistakenOct 18 00:09
Diablo-D3in ireland they have a commercial tidal plantOct 18 00:09
Chips_B_Malroybut I only cut dead cured trees that produced less pollutionOct 18 00:09
Diablo-D3they love itOct 18 00:09
fewacoolOct 18 00:09
Diablo-D3its not experimental, its an actual commercial plantOct 18 00:10
fewawell then i am mistakenOct 18 00:10
fewawould work hereOct 18 00:10
Diablo-D3tidal obviously only works in areas that have high tidesOct 18 00:10
oiaohmYou cannot get ethanol out the process to produce desiel from wood.Oct 18 00:10
Diablo-D3but all ares on the planet fits somethingOct 18 00:10
fewaDiablo-D3, is it ponds?Oct 18 00:10
Diablo-D3fewa: no, the oceanOct 18 00:10
fewaand then a dam?Oct 18 00:10
fewathats what i meanOct 18 00:10
Diablo-D3ponds dont suffer from tidesOct 18 00:10
fewaa giant poolOct 18 00:10
fewathat has a dammed gateOct 18 00:10
Chips_B_Malroywind farms seem to work here, except for the birds that fly into themOct 18 00:11
Diablo-D3fewa: noOct 18 00:11
fewato the oceanOct 18 00:11
fewaDiablo-D3, how does it work?Oct 18 00:11
oiaohmDiablo-D3:  How much food does current day bio desiel destroy.Oct 18 00:11
fewaoiaohm, ummmOct 18 00:11
Diablo-D3oiaohm: it should be zero because I do not recognize corn biodiselOct 18 00:11
fewalook at corn ethanol oiaohm Oct 18 00:11
Diablo-D3corn products are worthlessOct 18 00:11
fewatotally worthlessOct 18 00:11
Diablo-D3corn sucks at producing anythingOct 18 00:11
Diablo-D3biodiesel or ethanolOct 18 00:11
Diablo-D3its shitOct 18 00:11
fewait wouldn't be grown if not for subsidizesOct 18 00:11
fewaand its only subsidized cause it raises food pricesOct 18 00:12
Diablo-D3algae can produce ten thousand times more per acre of bothOct 18 00:12
oiaohmThat is my problem  most biodiesel and ethanol is too food consoming.Oct 18 00:12
fewaelectricOct 18 00:12
Diablo-D3oiaohm: btw, this is a false argumentOct 18 00:12
mutxonly because oil is so cheap to dig up, wait until there is none left, Oct 18 00:12
fewaelectric makes senseOct 18 00:12
Diablo-D3they're not consuing foodOct 18 00:12
Diablo-D3oiaohm: the corn is not grown for foodOct 18 00:12
Diablo-D3its grown for thisOct 18 00:12
fewano engine to maintain, ligher vehiclesOct 18 00:12
oiaohmWhat do they do with the celeouse from the corn Diablo-D3Oct 18 00:12
Diablo-D3oiaohm: dispose of itOct 18 00:12
fewaand you can get rid of the trillion dollar petrol distribution networkOct 18 00:12
Diablo-D3its shitOct 18 00:12
oiaohmThat is usable.Oct 18 00:12
Diablo-D3corn is not worth anything but foodOct 18 00:12
Balrog_oiaohm: what about biodiesel from waste cooking oil?Oct 18 00:13
fewaDiablo-D3, not even for thatOct 18 00:13
oiaohmmethonal production Diablo-D3Oct 18 00:13
Diablo-D3hey, I like eating cornOct 18 00:13
fewaif you have ever grown it you knowOct 18 00:13
fewacorn eats nitrogenOct 18 00:13
fewaand a very small percentage is foodOct 18 00:13
fewavery inefficientOct 18 00:13
Diablo-D3that isnt itOct 18 00:13
Diablo-D3its food people otOct 18 00:13
fewamost corn is grown for cowsOct 18 00:13
Diablo-D3*eatOct 18 00:13
Diablo-D3its not food cars eatOct 18 00:13
fewavery little for human consumptionOct 18 00:13
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fewaand its from monsantoOct 18 00:13
oiaohmBalrog_: there is not enough of that.Oct 18 00:13
Diablo-D3congress needs to be fired for interfering with the futureOct 18 00:13
fewayou can tell cause all the stalks are the same heighOct 18 00:14
Balrog_true, but a lot of it currently goes to wasteOct 18 00:14
mutxwhat do the people do with the cows ?Oct 18 00:14
fewaits really earieOct 18 00:14
Diablo-D3algae is the best at producing biodiselOct 18 00:14
oiaohmNot exactly Diablo-D3Oct 18 00:14
Diablo-D3you cant beat itOct 18 00:14
Diablo-D3periodOct 18 00:14
Diablo-D3oiaohm: dont not exactly meOct 18 00:14
fewaDiablo-D3, what goes to waste?Oct 18 00:14
Diablo-D3its more efficient per dollar and per acre than anything in the worldOct 18 00:14
Diablo-D3fewa: in algea processing? nothingOct 18 00:14
Chips_B_MalroyIs it next week the next quarterly profit statement come out from M$?Oct 18 00:14
oiaohmwood conversion base produces equal if not more stable biodiesel.Oct 18 00:14
fewao whoops Balrog_ what goes to waste?Oct 18 00:15
Diablo-D3oiaohm: wrongOct 18 00:15
fewaChips_B_Malroy, yepOct 18 00:15
Diablo-D3algae basically has no wasteOct 18 00:15
Balrog_waste cooking oilOct 18 00:15
fewawood is not goodOct 18 00:15
oiaohmNeither does wood based Diablo-D3Oct 18 00:15
Chips_B_Malroyshould be revealingOct 18 00:15
Diablo-D3it almost literally turns sunlight into biodieselOct 18 00:15
fewayet, you can use wood for heat, ive done itOct 18 00:15
Balrog_Chips_B_Malroy: and Apple profit statements tooOct 18 00:15
fewabut not everyone canOct 18 00:15
oiaohmIts a power plant.Oct 18 00:15
Diablo-D3oiaohm: exceot it has a carbon foodprint for just processing itOct 18 00:15
fewahemp if you need land based fiberOct 18 00:15
oiaohmBoth techs used toeghter have there advantages Diablo-D3Oct 18 00:16
Diablo-D3and we should be using neitherOct 18 00:16
Diablo-D3we should be using solid state electronicsOct 18 00:16
fewagod, wood is useless, do you people know how long it takes to get a loggable forrest? how much demand there is for the wood? how much logging exceeds production?Oct 18 00:16
fewaand you have to hand plantOct 18 00:16
oiaohmfewa:  the wood line is celouse base production Ie wood is simpler to type.Oct 18 00:17
fewawood is good for constructionOct 18 00:17
oiaohmLot of things have celouse.Oct 18 00:17
fewabut not anything elseOct 18 00:17
fewathen say hempOct 18 00:17
fewathats the best cellolose producerOct 18 00:17
oiaohmAnything that is cellolose can be put threw the process.Oct 18 00:17
fewaor hay for places without waterOct 18 00:17
Chips_B_MalroyThe thing about wood burning being poluting is over done.  If you leave the dead trees in the forest, at some point you are going have a forest fire.  This have been proven time and time again in the USA.  Its better to burn it for heat and decrease the need or other fuels, as its the same amount of pollution from woodburner or a forest fireOct 18 00:18
oiaohmBasically garbage reduction.Oct 18 00:18
fewaChips_B_Malroy, that wasn't my point at allOct 18 00:18
Chips_B_MalroyI knowOct 18 00:18
fewaThe problem is that demand for cutting far outpaces growthOct 18 00:18
fewaand that every time you cut, you destroy alotOct 18 00:18
Chips_B_Malroyso you limit to dead trees onlyOct 18 00:18
fewamuch better to use actual farmsOct 18 00:19
oiaohmalgae does not help with our land fill problem.Oct 18 00:19
fewaChips_B_Malroy, no loggers do thatOct 18 00:19
Chips_B_Malroylot of national forests out here do thatOct 18 00:19
fewa_none_Oct 18 00:19
mutxour demand of oil and coal also vastly outpaces our growth, so should we keep doing i t?Oct 18 00:19
oiaohmI have a good story hear I guess you hear that logging on fraser Island Australian was stoped.Oct 18 00:19
Chips_B_Malroyyou are correct, commerial loggers do not, but the public mostly has toOct 18 00:19
fewahem, ive never seen itOct 18 00:19
fewaeven in "public" logginsOct 18 00:19
fewaas in the school's parcelOct 18 00:20
fewathey did a good job and left some seed treesOct 18 00:20
oiaohmThe stupid part about fraser Island is you could grow a tree on that island in 20 years that is the size of that same tree on the main land that is 70 to 80 years old.Oct 18 00:20
fewabut just taking downed logs really doesn't happen, at least around hereOct 18 00:20
oiaohmIe grown in sand.Oct 18 00:20
Chips_B_Malroythat was in ColoradoOct 18 00:20
oiaohmHydroponic trees.Oct 18 00:20
fewahydroponics are awesomeOct 18 00:20
fewayou can grow without using excessive amounts of waterOct 18 00:21
oiaohmNatural Hydroponic trees.Oct 18 00:21
oiaohmAnd we cannot log them.Oct 18 00:21
Chips_B_Malroyanyway, woodburner is not the anwser, it would only help a littleOct 18 00:21
fewathe so-called "green revolution" was based on polluting the soil, the environment, and using lots of oil-based fertilizersOct 18 00:21
fewaand hydroponics is the solutionOct 18 00:21
fewano run-offOct 18 00:21
fewaits greatOct 18 00:22
oiaohmBasically careful selection from the information from fraser we could reduce the area we need to log.Oct 18 00:22
oiaohmAnd have the area recover faster.Oct 18 00:22
fewamain thing is just to plant after you logOct 18 00:22
fewathats what most deforrestation comes from Oct 18 00:22
fewathose that dont plantOct 18 00:22
Chips_B_Malroybut even here, the gov is being used by special interests, where only the commercial companies can cut, and permits are never handed out to other (general public) in some areasOct 18 00:22
oiaohmfewa: 20 years same size tree as 80 year old.Oct 18 00:22
oiaohmSince it grew a lot faster.Oct 18 00:22
fewaoiaohm, ahh, great growth placeOct 18 00:23
oiaohmYou only need to log 1/4 the area to get the same ammount of wood.Oct 18 00:23
fewayeah we have places like that around hereOct 18 00:23
oiaohmThere has to be other areas the same.Oct 18 00:23
fewapacific northwest grows fastOct 18 00:24
fewanear the sea levelOct 18 00:24
oiaohmAreas that grow slow should be off limits to logging.Oct 18 00:24
fewaoiaohm, agreedOct 18 00:24
fewabut they usually dont fallow thatOct 18 00:24
Chips_B_MalroyI almost had to leave my house twice because of forest fires, that were caused by the creation of wilderness areas that were closed to the public for cutting of dead woodOct 18 00:24
oiaohmOver hear we are going back to yearly burns in wilderness areas.Oct 18 00:25
oiaohmAt the correct times of years so its not scary.Oct 18 00:25
fewaoiaohm, what type of trees do you have in australia?Oct 18 00:25
oiaohmPart of the USA problem is the complete fear of fire.Oct 18 00:25
fewafirs deciduous pine?Oct 18 00:25
fewaoiaohm, the US has changedOct 18 00:26
fewaat least in the westOct 18 00:26
fewacontroled burnsOct 18 00:26
oiaohmWe do have pines.  Most of ours are gums.Oct 18 00:26
Chips_B_Malroywould it not be more sensable to let home users cut the dead trees for firewood than to set the fires?  This would save on fosel fuels to heat in winterOct 18 00:26
mutxEucliptious, very oily and very fire prone, we have very very bad bush fires here.Oct 18 00:26
mutxAll the time.Oct 18 00:26
oiaohmBasically most of our trees are designed to burn and burn fast.Oct 18 00:27
oiaohmAnd live.Oct 18 00:27
fewaChips_B_Malroy, most of the places where this is happening there are not many localsOct 18 00:27
fewabut yes, you are rightOct 18 00:27
Chips_B_Malroypines and aspens in colorado where I used to cutOct 18 00:27
amarsh04eucalyptus oil will run a petrol internal combustion engine fineOct 18 00:27
Chips_B_Malroythey were localsOct 18 00:27
fewathey need to allow locals to gather brushOct 18 00:28
oiaohmThere is not one eucalyptus oil.  Each tree type produces different oils.Oct 18 00:28
fewalike they did in 17th century JapanOct 18 00:28
oiaohmThe most nasty one I have seen smells nice but is highly crossive.Oct 18 00:28
fewaoiaohm, any old growth forrest there?Oct 18 00:28
mutxtrouble is in Aus there are massive forests, and a few people.Oct 18 00:28
fewa*theirOct 18 00:28
fewathereOct 18 00:28
oiaohmWe do fewaOct 18 00:28
Chips_B_Malroythe gov was evectively being lobbyed by the electric companies to stop home firewood gatheriersOct 18 00:29
oiaohmSome areas humans have not fully explored here fewaOct 18 00:29
fewaObama has announced that they will allow logging the Alaska wildernessOct 18 00:29
fewawhere the forrest grows slow and there is no roadsOct 18 00:29
fewathe roads will cost more than the profitOct 18 00:29
oiaohmSome areas of Alaska might be fine.Oct 18 00:29
fewabut while the profits are to logging companies, the roads are paid by the publicOct 18 00:29
Chips_B_Malroyfirewood is too expensive unless you cut your ownOct 18 00:30
fewaoiaohm, but not if there isn't roadsOct 18 00:30
oiaohmBut most of it could be bad growning.Oct 18 00:30
fewaits too expensiveOct 18 00:30
Chips_B_Malroyits a very backbreaking work tooOct 18 00:30
oiaohmBoats fewaOct 18 00:30
fewaand that far north the wood is pretty fragiveOct 18 00:30
fewa*fragileOct 18 00:30
fewayou cut the trees and they wont grow backOct 18 00:30
Chips_B_Malroyits why I only cut dead fallening down treesOct 18 00:30
fewawill hurt caribouOct 18 00:30
oiaohmYou would have to survey the area fewaOct 18 00:31
fewaChips_B_Malroy, yeah thats coolOct 18 00:31
oiaohmThere could be a pocket of two like fraser.Oct 18 00:31
fewaoiaohm, has been done, after heavy public pressure Clinton did not log itOct 18 00:31
Chips_B_MalroyI am mostly against the commercial loggers, the way they do thingsOct 18 00:31
fewaannouced the great compramise that if roads are not there, it wont be loggedOct 18 00:31
fewawhich is a fiscally sound decisionOct 18 00:31
fewalogging a unroaded area costs more than it provides, even in the short termOct 18 00:32
Chips_B_Malroythey close the roads in the national forests all the timeOct 18 00:32
Chips_B_Malroyand create the forest fires hereOct 18 00:32
fewaChips_B_Malroy, if there were built once, they are still repairableOct 18 00:32
fewaohh, diffOct 18 00:32
Chips_B_Malroythe federal gov closes themOct 18 00:32
oiaohmIt depends on the loggers.Oct 18 00:32
Chips_B_Malroynot only to loggers, but to everyoneOct 18 00:33
fewaif they plant right after, and plant a local species, then its OKOct 18 00:33
oiaohmBy law here the loggers are required to replant.Oct 18 00:33
oiaohmAnd get sucuessful regrowth.Oct 18 00:33
Chips_B_Malroythey are not allowed to clear cutOct 18 00:33
fewaand local species?Oct 18 00:33
oiaohmAnd replaint must be same species that were there.Oct 18 00:33
fewanot something horrible like birch?Oct 18 00:33
mutxwe have national parks, old growth forests, and endangered animal protection laws.Oct 18 00:34
fewaIve seen them in HawaiiOct 18 00:34
oiaohmSome areas are not logged because the local species cannot be grown.Oct 18 00:34
fewagreat native jungle next to row-planted birchOct 18 00:34
fewahorribleOct 18 00:34
oiaohmOthers are not logged due to a fungus.Oct 18 00:34
oiaohmIe a tree killer.Oct 18 00:34
oiaohmNot something you want to spreed.Oct 18 00:34
Chips_B_Malroycutting lives trees is dangerous.  Oct 18 00:35
fewaChips_B_Malroy, no shitOct 18 00:35
fewaesp when they are old growth, you should see the picturesOct 18 00:35
Chips_B_MalroyHad to cut some that were too close to my houseOct 18 00:36
mutxwe have some of the oldest species of trees on earth, and I think also the oldest tree as well.Oct 18 00:36
Chips_B_Malroyanother reason to cut only dead trees already fallen for firewoodOct 18 00:36
fewanot much left http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Oldgrowth3.jpgOct 18 00:37
phIRCeTitle: File:Oldgrowth3.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 25.27 KBOct 18 00:37
fewaand you can see how recently it was cutOct 18 00:37
Chips_B_Malroyoldest tree is, trying to think, thislecone pine, not sure i have that rightOct 18 00:37
fewawood is _not_ renewableOct 18 00:37
oiaohmThat is the problem  fraser 20 year old tree over 2 metres across.  it was stupid 1 photo of goverment officals standing under a so called old growth tree was standing in the middle of a area that had been cleared completely 20 years before.Oct 18 00:37
Chips_B_Malroyit grew in colorado I knowOct 18 00:38
oiaohmCutting down a tree 2 meters accross is scary if it does not go where planed.Oct 18 00:38
fewais that the biggest youve seen?Oct 18 00:38
oiaohmNo there is bigger over there in the true old growth.Oct 18 00:39
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mutxyou refering to the one that moron could not get his coreing tool into it, so he cut it down to count the ring only to realize he had just cut down (and killed) the "old methusula" pine you are talking about.Oct 18 00:39
DaemonFClmfaoOct 18 00:39
Chips_B_Malroytrees are renewable, but only if done right, and in the right places.  Areas that are under enviroment pressures, like sub saharia, NOOct 18 00:39
fewaChips_B_Malroy, yes, but if you look at that picture you realize that they have been used far faster than they have grownOct 18 00:40
fewaand we have far more people on the planet nowOct 18 00:40
Chips_B_MalroyBut wood is not the anwser to the fuel problem, it could only help just a very small amount with a better plan from our govOct 18 00:40
fewabelieving that we can use wood willy nilly, for example for such stupid things such as paper fiber, is sillyOct 18 00:40
fewaand it is not for fuel, at allOct 18 00:41
oiaohmAnd the bad part most of the areas where trees are renewalbe also look so nice that dumb greenes get up in arms and stop logging there.Oct 18 00:41
fewaoiaohm, meh, most of those lands would be good agricultural landOct 18 00:41
oiaohmSo forcing loggers on to worse land.Oct 18 00:41
Chips_B_MalroyI am for the use of firewood in the cutting of dead treesOct 18 00:41
oiaohmNot fraser is a sand island Oct 18 00:41
fewaahhOct 18 00:41
oiaohmagricultural would destory it.Oct 18 00:42
fewaChips_B_Malroy, agreed, its just not what usually happensOct 18 00:42
fewawell thenOct 18 00:42
fewaokOct 18 00:42
mutxand a national parkOct 18 00:42
fewasome time people will have to rebuild in the mountainsOct 18 00:42
fewainstead of putting the cities on the best farm landOct 18 00:42
mutxand the last colony of pure breed dingo'sOct 18 00:42
fewaLondon, LA, etcOct 18 00:42
fewa_excellent_ farmlandOct 18 00:42
Chips_B_Malroythat is the problem of equating all logging with cutting of all trees, dead trees are a fire hazard, and we need people to cut and remove themOct 18 00:43
fewabut asphaulted overOct 18 00:43
oiaohmBest stuff for trees to grow fast in is sand.  With a nature pool of water under it with lots of bird droping or other sources to provide nutruants.Oct 18 00:43
fewaChips_B_Malroy, meh, dead trees not much of a fire hazar, brush is Oct 18 00:43
fewabut much better to use than let rotOct 18 00:43
oiaohmIe the bears up alsaka might have made some areas equal to fraser.Oct 18 00:43
MinceR"I guess it's never too early to introduce a major fire hazard into your home."Oct 18 00:44
fewaoiaohm, not alaskaOct 18 00:44
fewaoiaohm, you dont realize how north latitudeOct 18 00:44
mutxwere not allowed to take dead wood out without a permit, and it's because of habitat destruction for wildlife.Oct 18 00:44
fewaaustralia is much closer to equatorOct 18 00:44
oiaohmThe boost from the right conductions still could make alaska double poor land more south in the USA if the conditions are right.Oct 18 00:45
mutxwe also have temperate forests in the southOct 18 00:45
schestowitzfewa: That's a good one: 'Alan Grayson: "If the President has a BLT tomorrow, the Republicans will try to ban bacon."'Oct 18 00:45
mutxin TasmaniaOct 18 00:45
oiaohmTasmania has a few fast growth areas.Oct 18 00:45
Chips_B_MalroyLook at what happened to Iceland, and the cutting of live trees thereOct 18 00:45
oiaohmYes they are faster growning the same of the areas up at fasers area that is logged.Oct 18 00:45
fewaHe also said: "If Obama brings about world peace, the Republicans will attack him for hurting the defense industry"Oct 18 00:46
oiaohmIe the poor areas.Oct 18 00:46
schestowitzfewa: reminds me of s/t I watched this afternoonOct 18 00:46
fewaand the next day he got the nobel puke prizeOct 18 00:46
oiaohmThis is the problem fewa there are areas all over the place that are fast growing but we don't have where they are.Oct 18 00:46
schestowitzChalmers on the Industrial ComplexOct 18 00:46
schestowitzIt's a big industryOct 18 00:46
mutxyes, what is called "scrub" it's thousands of acres of just bush land and small trees.Oct 18 00:46
schestowitz$500,000 MILLION/YEAROct 18 00:46
fewaschestowitz, 57% of the federal budgetOct 18 00:47
fewaits a jokeOct 18 00:47
schestowitzNoOct 18 00:47
schestowitzImperial overstretchOct 18 00:47
fewaif you want to fix the economy get rid of thatOct 18 00:47
schestowitzAnd debt growsOct 18 00:47
schestowitzSome say to 55 trillion nowOct 18 00:47
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fewahttp://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htmOct 18 00:47
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fewa2009Oct 18 00:47
schestowitzGreece was once the great empireOct 18 00:47
schestowitzOr centre of intellectOct 18 00:47
oiaohmhttp://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/10/mses-first-week-535752-users-four-million-detections.ars  How foolish are people.Oct 18 00:47
schestowitzNow it's one of the most hostile (to the US) societyOct 18 00:47
phIRCeTitle: One week of MSE: 1.5 million downloads, 4 million detections - Ars Technica .::. Size~: 43.94 KBOct 18 00:47
schestowitzMaybe Korea beats themOct 18 00:48
oiaohmThat is not really working.Oct 18 00:48
fewaFor the cost of the Iraq war, you could give everyone healthcare, everyone education, everyone a apartmentOct 18 00:48
oiaohmAny new detection tool gets a grace period of about 4 weeks before attackers catch up.Oct 18 00:48
schestowitzfewa: it's not that simpleOct 18 00:48
fewayou could build windmills and renewable energy and completely remove the use of foreign oilOct 18 00:48
schestowitzWhere would oil come from?Oct 18 00:48
schestowitzOh, thatOct 18 00:49
fewawhile employeeing all of the detroit auto workersOct 18 00:49
schestowitzYes, leaving fossil fuel behindOct 18 00:49
oiaohmschestowitz: exactly what do you need oil for.Oct 18 00:49
schestowitzBut the oil lobby would  not like thatOct 18 00:49
Chips_B_MalroySadly, there is some need for a military.  Oct 18 00:49
oiaohmThe answer is nothing.   There is nothing that oil produces that cannot be produced another way.Oct 18 00:49
oiaohmCatch is oil is the lazy and cheep answer.Oct 18 00:50
fewahttp://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/8/white_house_environmental_adviser_van_jonesOct 18 00:50
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oiaohmOk not looking that cheep when you have to fight a war for itOct 18 00:50
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Chips_B_Malroyoil is controlled, by cartels and oil corporations.  Lot of money changing hands.Oct 18 00:50
fewa"We’re trying to make the case in this book that that era is over. We now have to move in a very different direction. And key to that will be basing the US economy not on credit cards, but based on clean energy and the clean energy revolution that would put literally millions of people to work, putting up solar panels all across the United States, weatherizing buildings so they don’t leak so much energy and put up so much carbon, building wind fOct 18 00:50
fewaarms and wave farms, manufacturing wind turbines. We argue you could put Detroit back to work not making SUVs to destroy the world, but making wind turbines, 8,000 finely machine parts in each one, twenty tons of steel in each wind tower, making wind turbines to help save the world.Oct 18 00:50
fewaSo we think that you can fight pollution and poverty at the same time. We think that you can actually power our way through this recession by putting people to work, but we’re going to have to start building things here and re-powering, retrofitting, retooling America, and that that’s the way forward both for the economy, for the earth and for everyday people."Oct 18 00:50
fewa"And when you look at, you know, what should you spend that money on, last time we had a stimulus, we gave out a bunch of checks to people who ran out to Wal-Mart and bought flat-screen TVs, so we stimulated the economy—it was just the Chinese economy, not this one. The smart way to do a stimulus is to invest in infrastructure. And the smart infrastructure that we need right now is infrastructure that gets the price of energy down, that gets us moOct 18 00:50
feware energy independent. All roads point toward a major investment in clean energy, probably funded in part by deficit spending on the part of the government."Oct 18 00:50
oiaohmSolar panels don't make much sence.Oct 18 00:51
Chips_B_Malroywind farms doOct 18 00:51
mutxwhy not ?Oct 18 00:51
fewa"manufacturing wind turbines. We argue you could put Detroit back to work not making SUVs to destroy the world, but making wind turbines, 8,000 finely machine parts in each one, twenty tons of steel in each wind tower, making wind turbines to help save the world."Oct 18 00:51
oiaohmOver there operational live more often than not you don't recover the carbon used of producing them mutxOct 18 00:52
fewabuilding wind farms and wave farms,Oct 18 00:52
Chips_B_Malroybut the problem here with wind farms is storing power for when there is no windOct 18 00:52
fewaalso solar panel require lots of metalsOct 18 00:52
oiaohmNow if you are using reflectors to push more light into solar panels you may recover it.Oct 18 00:52
Chips_B_Malroythe only proven way is to use hydroelectric means to store powerOct 18 00:52
fewaChips_B_Malroy, you can build a supercouducting electric gribOct 18 00:52
mutxthats not true, ive done the full energy cost of it, and solar panels are about as efficient as a petrol engine.Oct 18 00:52
schestowitzfewa: there's some of that in Michael JacksonOct 18 00:52
fewa*grid, highly efficientOct 18 00:53
fewaalready possibleOct 18 00:53
mutxplus the thermal solar systems, are very scalable and are producing alot of energy.Oct 18 00:53
oiaohmmutx: petrol engine is not that great.Oct 18 00:53
fewaeternal combustion engineOct 18 00:53
mutxthats right, about 25% max.Oct 18 00:53
fewamost outdated piece of shit in existanceOct 18 00:53
oiaohmmutx: did you include replacements due to age.Oct 18 00:54
oiaohmSolar cells slowly degrade.Oct 18 00:54
Chips_B_Malroybuild two reservoirs, pump water to the higher one when you have plenty of power, when no wind, water runs generators from higher reseviorOct 18 00:54
mutxand an electric motor is approching 100%, in the high 99'sOct 18 00:54
fewaChips_B_Malroy, you dont have to build anything, you just use hydro plantsOct 18 00:54
Chips_B_Malroythat is what they areOct 18 00:54
fewathe Grand Couleee does this for the whole Pacific northwestOct 18 00:54
fewait has three sectors, and one use to go on and off in unison with the alluminum plantOct 18 00:55
oiaohmThere are solar plants here that do recover mutxOct 18 00:55
oiaohmusing normal panels.Oct 18 00:55
schestowitzI didn't know Torvalds wrote a bookOct 18 00:55
oiaohmBut they use reflextors on to panellsOct 18 00:56
fewawe need electric vehiclesOct 18 00:56
fewaGM made them Oct 18 00:56
fewaand they kicked assOct 18 00:56
fewathen they took them from people to prevent a revolution from happeningOct 18 00:56
Chips_B_Malroyelectric trolleys, bring back the trolleys,  lolOct 18 00:56
oiaohmSo ammount of light going on to the solar panel is about 20 times the size of the panel.Oct 18 00:56
fewaChips_B_Malroy, this is one of the sins of patentsOct 18 00:56
mutxyes, standard silicon solar panels, have a greater than 25 year operational life and they easily give back far more energy than it takes to make them.Oct 18 00:56
oiaohmAt that point solar panels are green.Oct 18 00:56
fewapatents are a huge slower of innovation is this sort of thingOct 18 00:56
fewathey are used to prevent innovationOct 18 00:57
fewaprevent changeOct 18 00:57
oiaohmOperational live on advaverage is less than 25 years. mutxOct 18 00:57
fewapreserve outdated business modelsOct 18 00:57
oiaohmIts not just the silcon that failes mutxOct 18 00:57
fewaChips_B_Malroy, also, it was the car and oil companies that conspired to destroy the trolliesOct 18 00:58
mutxI know i worked in solar panels R&D company for years, Oct 18 00:58
fewathey were convicted and given a slap on the wristOct 18 00:58
oiaohmIts 25 years per single cell.  With a veration from 15 to about 50.   1 failure can bring complete panels down.Oct 18 00:58
mutxdie based, "gretzel cell" type solar collectors.Oct 18 00:58
mutxBut there is few failure mechanisms in a silicon solar cell, they drop in some output after a period of years, thats how they are usually rated.Oct 18 00:59
fewaStandard OilOct 18 00:59
Chips_B_Malroyfewa> the new high speed rail systems some cities put in like LA are really trollies nowOct 18 00:59
trmancohttp://imgur.voxcdn.com/TWtYE.jpgOct 18 00:59
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fewaPortlandOct 18 00:59
fewathey have a good light railOct 18 00:59
oiaohmmutx: with reflex gain cell cost of production will be recovered in 5 years.Oct 18 01:00
fewaSeattle passed a rail expansion despite large conservative oppositionOct 18 01:00
fewaeven got it on the ballotOct 18 01:00
oiaohmSo you are for sure in the clear.Oct 18 01:00
oiaohmThen maybe another few years for transport mutxOct 18 01:00
Chips_B_Malroywhat I see here is unbeivable,  mopeds less than 50cc do not need a regristration or insurance to operate.  And I see on now on every block.Oct 18 01:01
oiaohmNice bit the reflectors only have to be built once.Oct 18 01:02
fewahave you guys seen this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCgM9L4dVSw ?Oct 18 01:02
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fewashows what a joke the media isOct 18 01:02
mutxone failure will bring down a single seriues chain, but it will not bring the system down, and it's usually only the electrical connection bonding, so you can fix it in 2 minutes with a soldering iron.Oct 18 01:02
Chips_B_Malroywas told they get 80mpgOct 18 01:02
fewaChips_B_Malroy, electric is even more efficientOct 18 01:02
fewabut yeah mopeds are niceOct 18 01:02
oiaohmmutx: how often are they repaired.  Simple fact most cases they are not.Oct 18 01:03
fewapeople really need smaller vehiclesOct 18 01:03
fewathe 1-person driving SUV thing in the US is a jokeOct 18 01:03
Chips_B_Malroyyes, no more hummersOct 18 01:03
mutxmost cases they are, do you know the purchase cost of these items.Oct 18 01:03
fewaand its _really_ commonOct 18 01:03
mutxso if your $10000, solar array gets an open circuit you would not bother to fix it ?Oct 18 01:03
fewaGM killed the electric car, and then bought HummerOct 18 01:03
oiaohmYes I do mutx.  Lot I know just drop complete panels.Oct 18 01:04
oiaohmVery wasteful.Oct 18 01:04
oiaohmMostly because they are upgrading there panels.Oct 18 01:04
mutxonly for the series wired chain, and good solar panels have diodes installed to bypass the currunt for the open cell.Oct 18 01:05
oiaohmdiodes also fail with are.Oct 18 01:05
oiaohmare/ageOct 18 01:05
oiaohmThe panel design is part of the problem mutxOct 18 01:06
mutxeverything fails sometimes, whats your point ? Oct 18 01:06
oiaohmIf cells were simple to replace and upgrade in panels people would not take the lazy path and drop the full panel.Oct 18 01:06
mutxwell I for one would not like to hold my breath waiting for a solar system to fail, ive put in alot of systems, and you dont see solar panels fail.Oct 18 01:06
oiaohmSo under mining to cost.Oct 18 01:07
oiaohmI have had the luck of seeing telstras solar panel usage.  mutxOct 18 01:08
fewaGM seeded their own demiseOct 18 01:08
oiaohmThe ammout of panels they junk that are fixable is insane.Oct 18 01:08
fewashort-term profits at the expense of all stakeholders interestsOct 18 01:08
fewathe interest of the employeesOct 18 01:08
fewathe interest of the cunsumersOct 18 01:08
schestowitzPaul Allen had investments in Transmeta. Weird.Oct 18 01:08
fewathe interest of the american taxpayerOct 18 01:08
fewaand the interest of every person that will be effected by global climate changeOct 18 01:09
mutxoiaohm, not to mention end up on the homes of half the telstra techs houses !Oct 18 01:09
oiaohmI mean junk mutxOct 18 01:09
mutxand telstra use a massive amount of solar panels, in very harsh condition, Oct 18 01:09
oiaohmShreded for recyling.Oct 18 01:09
fewaPaul Allen also create the brain databaseOct 18 01:09
fewaamazing researchOct 18 01:09
fewabut he is disliked in seattleOct 18 01:10
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oiaohmNot the ones the workers take home mutxOct 18 01:10
fewacause he forced the city to pay for a mega-stadiumOct 18 01:10
oiaohmLot have been replaced for visual reasons as well mutx.Oct 18 01:11
mutxtree falls, vandals, fires, animals there are all sorts of things that can take out a solar panel.Oct 18 01:11
mutxlighting.Oct 18 01:11
oiaohmie newer smaller panel does not stand out as much.Oct 18 01:11
oiaohmNothing wrong with the old panel.Oct 18 01:11
oiaohmThere are intacted panels mutx.  Either single cell failure somewhere or just old and large so being destoryed.Oct 18 01:12
oiaohmDamaged ones are another cat.Oct 18 01:12
oiaohmAgain could be recycled far better than schreding.Oct 18 01:13
mutxwell if they didnt work, or do the job as required, telstra would not use them, and they would find some other way, but as they do use them, and replace them with the same thing, it must be working for them.Oct 18 01:14
oiaohmSaves power line charges mutxOct 18 01:15
oiaohmthey are cost effective and more dependable than generators in that sence.Oct 18 01:15
mutxsaves money, there you go, Oct 18 01:15
oiaohmBut is not really saving envorment.Oct 18 01:15
schestowitzfewa: LOL he didn't read the billOct 18 01:15
schestowitz[01:10] <fewa> but he is disliked in seattleOct 18 01:16
schestowitzMaybe that's why he lives in a boatOct 18 01:16
fewanot just any boatOct 18 01:16
schestowitzI know.Oct 18 01:16
fewahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octopus_%28yacht%29Oct 18 01:16
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fewaa friggen 414' megayaughtOct 18 01:16
fewawtfOct 18 01:17
Chips_B_Malroydidn't Gates and Ballmer have a fallen out with Allen at one time?Oct 18 01:17
fewaits a 302 for phIRCe Oct 18 01:17
fewajust needs to fallow redirectOct 18 01:17
fewa(which incidentally is outdated and only for netscape which doesn't handle UTF-8 in urls)Oct 18 01:17
fewaChips_B_Malroy, Allen left Microsoft really earlyOct 18 01:18
oiaohmmutx basically a bit of work making panels simpler and fast to repair would reduce ones from big users like telstra being scraped as much.   And creating  market that will pay for the older large ones.Oct 18 01:18
fewahe has never been a Microsoft personOct 18 01:18
fewaI mean, after he got richOct 18 01:18
fewabut before windows 95, etcOct 18 01:19
oiaohmmutx: but until then solar panels are not really as good as there numbers first appear.Oct 18 01:19
fewaoh wait, 2000Oct 18 01:19
fewamost profit was from 95 and 98Oct 18 01:19
fewathe company had a official profit margin of >90%Oct 18 01:19
oiaohm95 was insane.Oct 18 01:19
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Chips_B_Malroyit probably still would be a 90% or higher profit margin if they only produced Windows and OfficeOct 18 01:21
fewaChips_B_Malroy, that doesn't make senseOct 18 01:21
fewait would be a smaller companyOct 18 01:21
Chips_B_Malroyxbox, zune, bing, datacenters, winmo, all are losersOct 18 01:21
fewaand also things dont work that wayOct 18 01:21
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: yes, I can find it:Oct 18 01:22
mutxprofit margins and company size are not relatedOct 18 01:22
schestowitz[01:17] <Chips_B_Malroy> didn't Gates and Ballmer have a fallen out with Allen at one time?Oct 18 01:22
mutxI think chips is sayingOct 18 01:22
fewaChips_B_Malroy, but by employeeing mind share they preserve their other productsOct 18 01:22
fewaits about holding onto control as long as possibleOct 18 01:22
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Chips_B_MalroyI believe they tried to screw over Paul Allen with his stock or somethingOct 18 01:22
fewaif they only did W+O they would be long goneOct 18 01:22
fewathats why BillG is now bribing patents into the 3rd worldOct 18 01:23
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: Oct 18 01:23
schestowitzPrisoner of Redmond: Yet Another Way Paul Allen Isn t Like You or MeOct 18 01:23
schestowitz,----[ Quote ]Oct 18 01:23
Chips_B_Malroyyes, but point is back in windows 95 day that was basically where they wereOct 18 01:23
schestowitz| During one of those last long nights working to deliver DOS 2.0 in earlyOct 18 01:23
schestowitz| 1983, I am told that Paul Allen heard Gates and Ballmer discussing his healthOct 18 01:23
schestowitz| and talking about how to get his Microsoft shares back if Allen were to die.  Oct 18 01:23
schestowitz`----Oct 18 01:23
fewasocial change is more of a threat than any economicsOct 18 01:23
schestowitzhttp://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2006/pulpit_20060330_000890.html Oct 18 01:23
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fewamind share is most important thingOct 18 01:23
fewaPROct 18 01:23
fewapropagandaOct 18 01:23
Chips_B_Malroyah, how to screw over your business partner and lifelong friendOct 18 01:24
schestowitzPR is the new name for propagandaOct 18 01:24
Chips_B_MalroyAllenOct 18 01:24
schestowitzThey renamed it, merelyOct 18 01:24
schestowitzIn a closed meeting with BernaysOct 18 01:24
fewaeuphamismOct 18 01:24
fewalike "jobs" for profitsOct 18 01:24
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: in this interview with Charles Rose a moment ago, a good quote came upOct 18 01:24
fewaand "security" for obedienceOct 18 01:24
schestowitzHe said that Gates was like RockerfellerOct 18 01:25
schestowitzAnd Linus like EdisonOct 18 01:25
schestowitzHow trueOct 18 01:25
fewaand "socialist" for helps peopleOct 18 01:25
schestowitzGates is a business/law person robbingOct 18 01:25
fewainstead of corporationsOct 18 01:25
schestowitzWhereas Allen or Linus are people who engineer stuffOct 18 01:25
schestowitzSame with WozOct 18 01:25
schestowitzJobs does the demosOct 18 01:25
fewaschestowitz, yep, learned it from his dadOct 18 01:25
schestowitzNot only thatOct 18 01:25
fewaJobs was always, and still is, a salesmanOct 18 01:25
schestowitzHis dad still guides himOct 18 01:25
schestowitzPeople don't realise thisOct 18 01:26
fewaYep, yep, yepOct 18 01:26
schestowitzGates Sr. has his buddies like Abramoff serve MicrosoftOct 18 01:26
schestowitzAnd people who work for Gates Sr. occupy the BSAOct 18 01:26
schestowitzAmong other thingsOct 18 01:26
schestowitzGates Sr. is also behind the scheme called Gates FoundationOct 18 01:26
schestowitzThe "Gates" there might as well refer to Sr.Oct 18 01:26
schestowitzNot Melinda French and PearlyGOct 18 01:26
schestowitz[01:25] <fewa> Jobs was always, and still is, a salesmanOct 18 01:27
fewaBSA, euphamism for "Businesses against Software Advance"Oct 18 01:27
schestowitzThere's another Steve like thatOct 18 01:27
schestowitzfewa: /s/businesses/bullies/Oct 18 01:27
fewabut Jobs does have visionOct 18 01:27
fewaunlike BillGOct 18 01:28
schestowitzWell, he wears glassesOct 18 01:28
schestowitzBTW, good video there with weiner and folksOct 18 01:28
schestowitzThey owned CNBCOct 18 01:28
fewayepOct 18 01:29
fewabut its disgracefulOct 18 01:29
fewathe way CNBC treats elected representativesOct 18 01:29
fewathey still think they can say what the public has to listen toOct 18 01:29
schestowitzGood interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcbbOcquHZ4&NR=1Oct 18 01:29
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schestowitzOld one thoughOct 18 01:29
fewayou can see how Charlie tries to stir controversyOct 18 01:30
schestowitzCNBC is also GE, no?Oct 18 01:30
schestowitzOr just Microsoft[NBC]Oct 18 01:30
fewaAOLTimeGEWarnerMicrosoftOct 18 01:30
fewaMegaCorpOct 18 01:30
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Chips_B_MalroyRoy, reading your link on Paul Allen, it sounds like the threesome of Gates, Ballmer, and Allen, never kissed and made up.Oct 18 01:32
fewawhen you are that rich you can afford to hold grudgesOct 18 01:32
fewahell, Bush invaded a country over a grudgeOct 18 01:32
fewaand for no reason at allOct 18 01:32
Chips_B_Malroyhe convinced many people that there were WMD's and that Al Queda was thereOct 18 01:33
fewaall liesOct 18 01:33
fewaand when they were uncovered the story switchedOct 18 01:33
fewaalso, Clinton started the lies about Iraq and WMDsOct 18 01:34
Chips_B_Malroylies or untruths?  The CIA partly backed him upOct 18 01:34
mutxand yet you elected him for 2 terms !Oct 18 01:34
Chips_B_MalroyyepOct 18 01:34
fewaClinton imposed the sanctions that killed millions and kept Saddam in powerOct 18 01:34
fewamutx, 20% turnoutOct 18 01:34
fewaonly 20% of the public even votedOct 18 01:34
Chips_B_Malroyhe did not win by muchOct 18 01:35
mutxwell, it's not my fault if your people are that apothetic :)Oct 18 01:35
fewawhile there is alot of focus on BUsh's approval rating, congress's in even lowerOct 18 01:35
fewaChips_B_Malroy, he didn't win@Oct 18 01:35
fewathe supreme court announced it 5-4Oct 18 01:35
Chips_B_Malroythats debatableOct 18 01:35
mutxhe served, he wonOct 18 01:35
fewawe know Gore would have wonOct 18 01:35
fewaand Gore got more votesOct 18 01:35
fewamutx, he ruledOct 18 01:36
fewa"won" implies victoryOct 18 01:36
mutxnot wellOct 18 01:36
Chips_B_Malroywinning the popular vote yes, but that is not the system here by lawOct 18 01:36
fewaChips_B_Malroy, it was 300 votes when the supreme court stopped the recountOct 18 01:36
Chips_B_Malroywe have the outdated electorial collegeOct 18 01:36
mutxvictory was being Pres, so yes he won.Oct 18 01:36
fewaand Gore would have won FlordiaOct 18 01:36
fewaif the supreme court did not step inOct 18 01:37
fewavoting along strict party linesOct 18 01:37
Chips_B_Malroythis was the 2nd recount?Oct 18 01:37
mutxwoulda, coulda, shoulda, didntOct 18 01:37
fewamutx, the election runner was Bush's brotherOct 18 01:37
Chips_B_Malroyand they were only recounting counties with high democratic majorititesOct 18 01:37
fewaChips_B_Malroy, no, they recounted it allOct 18 01:38
Chips_B_MalroynoOct 18 01:38
fewahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._GoreOct 18 01:38
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Chips_B_Malroybut it is a side issue, Bush was bad period as a presidentOct 18 01:39
fewaalso, DieBold machines do not count votesOct 18 01:39
fewaand the CEO annouced support for BushOct 18 01:39
fewaAlan Dershowitz: [T]he decision in the Florida election case may be ranked as the single most corrupt decision in Supreme Court history, because it is the only one that I know of where the majority justices decided as they did because of the personal identity and political affiliation of the litigants. This was cheating, and a violation of the judicial oath.Oct 18 01:41
Chips_B_MalroyThere was definately cheating, on both sidesOct 18 01:42
mutxdoes not change a thing, Bush got in, and got in again, thats history. Oct 18 01:43
Chips_B_Malroyyes mutx, you are rightOct 18 01:43
fewathere si a striking difference between public opinion and public policy, on a host of major issuesOct 18 01:44
fewathe democratic deficiet in the US is very strikingOct 18 01:44
Chips_B_MalroyFlorida will always be a problem state to get real voter resultsOct 18 01:44
fewaYOu have to outlaw computerized votingOct 18 01:44
fewawith no paper trailOct 18 01:45
fewaand no source codeOct 18 01:45
fewaits not voting, its gamblingOct 18 01:45
Chips_B_Malroythere are always ways to cheatOct 18 01:45
fewabut not so easilyOct 18 01:45
fewaand untracablyOct 18 01:45
Chips_B_Malroywell, agreed paper does leave a trail, or a hanging chadOct 18 01:46
mutxfor such a patriotic country why do you think most of the population does not even care enough to vote?Oct 18 01:46
mutxyou HAVE to vote here, or your fined.Oct 18 01:46
fewamutx, thats the mediaOct 18 01:46
fewa"patriotic country"Oct 18 01:46
fewalocal governments are often very good, very democraticOct 18 01:47
Chips_B_MalroyMutx> because you elect one of two choices that are bought and paid for by the big corporationsOct 18 01:47
fewaits the elite class, and the propaganda industry that is the problemOct 18 01:47
fewamakes the federal government a jokeOct 18 01:48
Chips_B_MalroyBama=Hollywood media companies (think RIAA appointees and M$ appointees)Oct 18 01:48
fewaespecially now that it decided that the constitution is as worthy as toilet paperOct 18 01:48
mutxa CEO only has one vote just like you do.Oct 18 01:48
fewadeciding that that the ban on "crewl and unusual punishment" is optionalOct 18 01:48
Chips_B_MalroyBush= big oil, hollywood media companies, phama, and M$Oct 18 01:49
fewaHope and ChangeOct 18 01:49
fewarepeat an infinitum Oct 18 01:49
Chips_B_Malroyhard to be intrusedOct 18 01:49
fewamuch more than the copyright racketeersOct 18 01:50
fewaescalation of AfghanistanOct 18 01:50
fewatotal break of promises on IraqOct 18 01:50
fewapushing _against_ the public option, his own compramizeOct 18 01:50
fewaback room deal with PhRMAOct 18 01:51
fewabreak on his promise "to renegotiate" NAFTAOct 18 01:51
Chips_B_Malroyhow about both Bush and Bama and the insurance and banking companiesOct 18 01:51
fewaand yesOct 18 01:52
Chips_B_Malroytruth is, very little difference in both partiesOct 18 01:52
fewagiving the banks, that created the problem, an enormus sumOct 18 01:52
fewaa sum so large that the fed could have just paid off everyone's morgageOct 18 01:52
fewabasically, a continuation of Clinton's sell out to the banksOct 18 01:53
fewaeven in the wake of utter disasterOct 18 01:53
Chips_B_MalroyPaul was right, let Banks go under, they will go through bankrupcy, and then be bought out.  Deposits are insured so little guy is protectedOct 18 01:53
fewaa manufactured disasterOct 18 01:53
fewaChips_B_Malroy, that insurance is massive corporate welfareOct 18 01:53
*schestowitz watches this VERY interesting talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHzG3nTA27MOct 18 01:53
Chips_B_Malroythe system would have cleaned up itselfOct 18 01:53
fewawhen FDR enacted it that insurance was paid by banksOct 18 01:54
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Chips_B_MalroyFewa>yesOct 18 01:54
fewabut in the last 20 years they havn't paid a cent into itOct 18 01:54
schestowitz[01:32] <Chips_B_Malroy> Roy, reading your link on Paul Allen, it sounds like the threesome of Gates, Ballmer, and Allen, never kissed and made up.Oct 18 01:54
schestowitzTrue.Oct 18 01:54
schestowitzSame with Ellison and PearlyOct 18 01:54
fewaprivate profites, publisized risksOct 18 01:54
fewa"patriotic citizens" is just code word for nationalist tyranny and interventionismOct 18 01:55
DaemonFChttp://www.naturalnews.com/008952.htmlOct 18 01:56
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Chips_B_Malroyalways thought Gates at least had the personal dignity of taking care of his friends, now I know that his version of taking care of his friends is very different indeedOct 18 01:56
fewaaspartame is horribleOct 18 01:56
DaemonFCfewa, I stopped using itOct 18 01:57
DaemonFCI'm mainly drinking sacchrine or sucralose nowOct 18 01:57
fewacreates formaldehyde when it breaks downOct 18 01:57
fewasucralose isn't much betterOct 18 01:58
DaemonFCfountain versions of diet drinks use saccharine because aspartame is not heat stable Oct 18 01:58
fewahttp://abstrusegoose.com/46Oct 18 01:58
mutxgreat so it gives you cancer tooOct 18 01:58
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fewaWhy not just use sugar?Oct 18 01:58
fewaand real sugar, not that shit HFCSOct 18 01:58
fewawhich is destroying the environmentOct 18 01:59
fewaand is horrible for your healthOct 18 01:59
DaemonFCcause sugar would put at least 20 pounds on meOct 18 01:59
fewaand actually costs more to produceOct 18 01:59
DaemonFCand promotes tooth decay and diabetesOct 18 01:59
fewaits only produced because corn subsidies are so highOct 18 01:59
fewaor just no sugar?Oct 18 01:59
fewawhy do you need sweetOct 18 01:59
fewaI drink waterOct 18 01:59
DaemonFCyou can get Coke made with cane sugarOct 18 02:00
fewawhat we are suppose to drinkOct 18 02:00
DaemonFCif you go to those mexican food storesOct 18 02:00
fewathe CO2 alone in coke rots your teechOct 18 02:00
fewacarbonic acidOct 18 02:00
DaemonFCthe sugar is far worseOct 18 02:00
fewasucks the calcium out of your teeth and makes chalkOct 18 02:00
DaemonFCbacteria can feed off the sugar residue on your teeth for hoursOct 18 02:00
fewaI just drink waterOct 18 02:00
fewaI dont like fake stuffOct 18 02:00
amarsh04the phosphoric acid in coca cola isn't good for your teeth eitherOct 18 02:01
DaemonFCI'm taking a liking to Diet RiteOct 18 02:01
fewaugggghhhhhhOct 18 02:01
fewaits just caffeineOct 18 02:01
fewaand unregulated waterOct 18 02:01
fewaand alluminumOct 18 02:01
DaemonFCDiet Rite doesn't have any caffeine or sodiumOct 18 02:01
DaemonFCor aspartameOct 18 02:01
fewaunregulated waterOct 18 02:02
fewawater from your tap is regulated to make sure it doesn't kill youOct 18 02:02
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DaemonFCaspartame is seriously bad stuff, especially if you drink a lot of diet soda that contains itOct 18 02:02
fewabottled water has no such rulesOct 18 02:02
DaemonFCthe more you drink of it the worse you'll feelOct 18 02:02
DaemonFCfewa, Yes it doesOct 18 02:02
fewaNopeOct 18 02:02
fewaits not testedOct 18 02:02
DaemonFCbottled water is regulated by the FDA which has the same standards as the EPA does for tap waterOct 18 02:02
fewathey dont test itOct 18 02:02
DaemonFC:)Oct 18 02:03
mutxevery product sold as a food stuff, is tested and regulated.Oct 18 02:03
fewaand it doesn't fall under the clean water actOct 18 02:03
DaemonFCit's at least no worse for you than tap waterOct 18 02:03
DaemonFCdoesn't mean you're smart to be buying bottles of waterOct 18 02:03
fewathe vast majority of bottled water _is_ tap waterOct 18 02:03
fewaIt is essentially a sham industryOct 18 02:04
DaemonFCof course it's a shamOct 18 02:04
DaemonFCCoke was fined by the UK when it came to light that Dasani was nothing more than tap waterOct 18 02:04
DaemonFCthey had advertised it as "spring water" or somethingOct 18 02:05
fewalololOct 18 02:05
fewamost bottled water in the us is marketed liek thatOct 18 02:05
fewawhich is a lieOct 18 02:05
fewabut they are not prosecutedOct 18 02:05
fewaagain, consumer protection law need qui tam provisionsOct 18 02:05
DaemonFCJust get a reusable water bottle and fill it yourself if you want to take water with youOct 18 02:05
fewaotherwise they are politically prosecutedOct 18 02:05
fewaalso, PETE is not a good plasticOct 18 02:06
fewaHDPE is the right type of plastic, milk jugsOct 18 02:06
DaemonFCwell, people throw millions of plastic bottles into landfills every yearOct 18 02:06
DaemonFCthose never break downOct 18 02:06
fewaHDPE is the most recyclableOct 18 02:06
DaemonFCeven styrofoam eventually decomposes, plastic bottles never doOct 18 02:06
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A _lot_ of good news today. :-) For those who don't know, I post summaries daily, a la http://ur1.ca/du3rOct 18 02:07
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fewaand doesn't have leech antimonyOct 18 02:08
fewalike PETEOct 18 02:08
fewaor synthetic, carcinogenic estrogen like BPAOct 18 02:09
fewawhich is incidentally is alot of "green" nalgene bottlesOct 18 02:09
fewait turns you into a womenOct 18 02:09
mutxwhat does it turn women into ?? :)Oct 18 02:10
fewaBisphenol AOct 18 02:10
fewahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisphenol_AOct 18 02:10
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fewathere are better sources....Oct 18 02:10
fewaI have read editorials in chemistry journalsOct 18 02:10
fewa...Oct 18 02:10
fewawas originally used as an estrogen replacement until it was discovered it caused cancerOct 18 02:11
fewa..then the y figured they could make a plastic out of it. yipee!Oct 18 02:11
fewausing a hormone to make plastic!Oct 18 02:11
fewawhich are then used in baby bottles, water bottles, etcOct 18 02:12
DaemonFCI just turned on two of my heaters :POct 18 02:12
DaemonFCthat should get this place warmed up nicelyOct 18 02:12
fewahow powered?Oct 18 02:12
fewaNG, propane electic?Oct 18 02:12
DaemonFCI don't really need the heat on unless it drops below about 45 outside, cause the neighboring apartments bleed heat into mineOct 18 02:13
DaemonFCelectricOct 18 02:13
fewaouchOct 18 02:13
fewaesp in the midwest, where it all comes from coalOct 18 02:13
DaemonFCelectric is much cheaper to heat with than gasOct 18 02:13
DaemonFCmy cousin's house took $400 to heat last December with gasOct 18 02:13
fewawatOct 18 02:14
fewagas is cheaperOct 18 02:14
fewafar cheaperOct 18 02:14
fewamust have a leakOct 18 02:14
DaemonFCI went and installed electric radiator style heaters and the January electric bill only jumped about $150Oct 18 02:14
fewaor heating it to 80 or somethingOct 18 02:14
oiaohmDepends on where fewaOct 18 02:14
DaemonFCso it's more than twice the price to heat with natural gasOct 18 02:14
fewagas is 95% efficientOct 18 02:14
oiaohmSome places gas prices are high.Oct 18 02:14
DaemonFCgas is too pricey to even bother withOct 18 02:14
fewacoal-->electric-->heat is probably only like 50%Oct 18 02:14
oiaohmEnvorment yes fewaOct 18 02:15
DaemonFCif you have a gas furnace around here, you should rip it out and put in electric heatOct 18 02:15
fewaoiaohm, geeze why so pricy?Oct 18 02:15
fewato subsidize the coal industry?Oct 18 02:15
Chips_B_Malroyconsidering that most of the electric companies are now using fossel fuels to make electricOct 18 02:15
DaemonFCIndiana is far ahead of the other states with wind power btwOct 18 02:15
oiaohmTransport into some areas can be problem matic fewaOct 18 02:15
fewaBut midwest is based on coalOct 18 02:15
DaemonFCwe currently have about 5% of our electricity provided by itOct 18 02:15
Chips_B_MalroyHoover Dam here, but no break anymore on the billOct 18 02:15
fewaunlike pacific northwest, which is based on hydroOct 18 02:16
oiaohmie not enough users to make it cost effective fewaOct 18 02:16
fewaChips_B_Malroy, Hoover dam hardly generates any electricityOct 18 02:16
DaemonFCfewa, Indiana is mostly nuclear and coalOct 18 02:16
fewaahhOct 18 02:16
oiaohmSo the small numbers with it get billed high.Oct 18 02:16
fewanuclearOct 18 02:16
DaemonFCI like nuclear a little better than coal reallyOct 18 02:16
fewaout of the measly 10% in the USOct 18 02:16
fewayes, i do tooOct 18 02:16
oiaohmDaemonFC: really you should back it both ways have gas and electircOct 18 02:16
Chips_B_MalroyI am against Nuclear powerOct 18 02:16
oiaohmand use what ever one is cheaper over the years it changes.Oct 18 02:17
fewanuclear does get a massive corporate welfare howeverOct 18 02:17
fewaeven bigger than fossil fuel companiesOct 18 02:17
oiaohmNuclear produces a insane ammount of wasteOct 18 02:17
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy, I'd be much more afraid of what burning coal will do to the environmentOct 18 02:17
oiaohmThat we still don't know what to do with.Oct 18 02:17
DaemonFCnuclear is nasty but it doesn't lead to global warmingOct 18 02:17
mutxnuclear produces less waste than coal, Oct 18 02:17
fewahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price-Anderson_Nuclear_Industries_Indemnity_ActOct 18 02:17
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fewa_massive_ corporate welfareOct 18 02:17
mutxand it's all fully controlled, not just released.Oct 18 02:17
oiaohmCoal waste we have ways of dealing with mutxOct 18 02:17
mutxlike what ?Oct 18 02:18
mutxand where.Oct 18 02:18
Chips_B_Malroythe waste from Nuclear is a problem.  The main reason for Nuclear which the gov does not mention is a byproduct to produce the bombOct 18 02:18
DaemonFCfewa, The scrapping of those 500 US / 800 Russian warheads should provide a lot of nuclear powerOct 18 02:18
DaemonFCthey can be used as reactor fuel you knowOct 18 02:18
fewaDaemonFC, the ones that didn't go on the black marketOct 18 02:18
fewa...Oct 18 02:18
fewabut yesOct 18 02:18
Chips_B_Malroyalso think 3 mile island and chernobleOct 18 02:18
oiaohmEven the CO2 can be stored under ground. mutx and processed off over time.Oct 18 02:18
fewahowever wind is the bestOct 18 02:18
oiaohmHigh CO2 areas grow plants fast.Oct 18 02:18
fewa+geothermal, tidalOct 18 02:18
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy, The US is not the Soviet UnionOct 18 02:18
fewaoiaohm, noone knows where the CO2 goes after you pump it undergroundOct 18 02:19
DaemonFCwe've never had a meltdown and certainly not for such stupid reasonsOct 18 02:19
mutxthere is alot of talk about clean coal, but no examples of it actually working.Oct 18 02:19
DaemonFClet me say again, STUPID STUPID BRAINDEAD reasons :)Oct 18 02:19
oiaohmUnderground is storage if it done right fewaOct 18 02:19
fewafor all we know it just escapes back up all the holes that were drilled to get the oilOct 18 02:19
oiaohmNot if it is done right.Oct 18 02:19
fewathese chasms have thousands of holesOct 18 02:19
DaemonFCthey'll store the waste in modified abandoned salt mines in UtahOct 18 02:19
oiaohmThe CO2 is stored in water.Oct 18 02:19
DaemonFCWho gives a shit? :)Oct 18 02:19
oiaohmIt don't just leak fewaOct 18 02:19
fewaoiaohm, that increases the acidityOct 18 02:19
oiaohmI know.Oct 18 02:20
fewaif the pH of the ocean raises, it will kill the coralOct 18 02:20
fewa*lowersOct 18 02:20
mutxyea, store the co2 gas in limestone cavaties, water leaches in, soda water = acid = disolving limestone, = release of vast amounts of co2 gas.Oct 18 02:20
DaemonFCwell, as long as they can store it where it won't leak and even if it does, it doesn't leech into drinking water or something, we're goodOct 18 02:20
fewapumping is a jokeOct 18 02:20
oiaohmBut there are orginsimes down in some of those areas that process the co2 as well.Oct 18 02:20
DaemonFCit will take about 20,000 years to break down thoughOct 18 02:20
fewanuclear is much betterOct 18 02:20
fewabut wind, tidal, geothermal are kingOct 18 02:21
Chips_B_Malroyalso, most of the uranium ore is extracted by open pit meansOct 18 02:21
DaemonFCBut good luck with the billions of tonnes of CO2 you get from coalOct 18 02:21
fewaDaemonFC, not to mention sulfur, mercury, etcOct 18 02:21
oiaohmRight areas coal power station could operate for 40 years have a gap for about 50 years and be able to fire up again and repeat the process.Oct 18 02:21
DaemonFCthat will wipe out hundreds of millions of people and thousands of species of plants and animals by the middle of this centuryOct 18 02:21
oiaohmDo to the orginses under ground using earth heat to deal with the CO2Oct 18 02:22
Chips_B_Malroythere was only supposed to be a 25 year supply of uraniumOct 18 02:22
Chips_B_Malroythat is the good newsOct 18 02:22
DaemonFCso given the bad options, nuclear power is probably the least bad choice they can makeOct 18 02:22
fewaChips_B_Malroy, breeder reactorsOct 18 02:22
fewaChips_B_Malroy, you can make all the P239 you wantOct 18 02:22
mutxwe have nuclear fuels to last us thousands of years.Oct 18 02:22
oiaohmNo you cannot fewaOct 18 02:22
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Dodgy #wikipedia editing from UK Parliament PC ... again http://bit.ly/IdIls no comment from WMF, but these stories don't seem to need itOct 18 02:22
oiaohmAustralia has the largest reserves of nuclear fuel.Oct 18 02:22
mutxyesOct 18 02:23
DaemonFCnuclear power will continue for at least hundreds of years or until something better comes alongOct 18 02:23
oiaohmProblem we have some if it is not usable.Oct 18 02:23
DaemonFCand we'd be doing the next several generations a favor by transitioning to it from fossil fuels sooner rather than laterOct 18 02:23
fewaFrance prooved that it is doableOct 18 02:24
oiaohmThe waste from nuclear will be around for 10 000 years .Oct 18 02:24
mutxwe have alot of a type that is used by a different type of reactor, one that cannot reach critical mass, and that you can just turn off the switch to shut it down.Oct 18 02:24
oiaohmAt least DaemonFCOct 18 02:24
fewa90% nuclear, unhit by OPEC and Russia politicsOct 18 02:24
DaemonFCoiaohm, 10,000 is the half lifeOct 18 02:24
DaemonFCit won't be safe for 20,000Oct 18 02:24
Chips_B_MalroySt Vrain was built in Colorado, it was the same basic model as in Russia at Chernoble. using carbon Oct 18 02:24
oiaohm10 000 is safeOct 18 02:24
DaemonFCfewa, That's where we need to beOct 18 02:24
oiaohmIf its in a particular form  DaemonFCOct 18 02:24
fewanuclear better than Fossil, woorse than wind, geothermal, tidalOct 18 02:24
mutxvery very small volume of waste, that can be safely converted to rock and stored safely.Oct 18 02:24
fewawind is really where it isOct 18 02:24
DaemonFCas cut off from the Oil Producing Peckerheads as possible :)Oct 18 02:24
oiaohmIts a natural form that exists in australia DaemonFCOct 18 02:24
Chips_B_Malroyit never was able to operate at 100% during its testsOct 18 02:25
oiaohmWe just have not worked out how to produce it effectively DaemonFCOct 18 02:25
DaemonFCor is that Oil Producing PECkerheads? :)Oct 18 02:25
fewayou could produce the whole nations power of windOct 18 02:25
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oiaohmThe insane part is it might take more power to contain the waste at 10 000 years than the power we got out of nukuler.Oct 18 02:26
DaemonFCthe middle east oil cartels would crash if we got the US on 90% nuclear power and hybrid carsOct 18 02:26
fewaelectric carsOct 18 02:26
DaemonFCmost of those countries don't have anything else to sell usOct 18 02:26
fewaor plug-in hybridsOct 18 02:26
mutxcontaining the waste takes about zero power.Oct 18 02:26
DaemonFCthe arabs are lying about how much crude oil they have left anywayOct 18 02:26
oiaohmChemical alteration to stablise it mutxOct 18 02:26
DaemonFCthey don't want us to panic and look for ways to transition off of itOct 18 02:26
fewaDaemonFC, watch that "who killed the electric car" movie parhapsOct 18 02:26
mutxand far less than trying to pump co2 into the ground.Oct 18 02:26
DaemonFCso they're fudging the amount they have and frantically hunting for moreOct 18 02:27
fewaIts the US oil companies tooOct 18 02:27
fewaand car companiesOct 18 02:27
fewaand anyone that wants an excuse for invading Iraq, etcOct 18 02:27
oiaohmCo2 into ground done right is using earths heat to disposed of waste mutxOct 18 02:27
Chips_B_Malroynuclear power very clean, unless you have a 3mile island or chernoble.  And the low grade waste, can be stored underground, where it becomes part of the water supplyOct 18 02:27
DaemonFCfewa, Invading Iraq is/was a futile gestureOct 18 02:27
schestowitzHeh. Someone flies fireworks outsideOct 18 02:28
DaemonFCif we came for oil, I think they have a lot less than they have let onOct 18 02:28
oiaohmBasically storage and disposal in one mutxOct 18 02:28
mutxwhat goes in eventually comes out, but with geosequestration it will certainly come out.Oct 18 02:28
fewaDaemonFC, Iraq has a _massive_ amount of oilOct 18 02:28
DaemonFCI think the upper management in our government knows it now tooOct 18 02:28
oiaohmAs oil mutxOct 18 02:28
DaemonFCfewa, They're lyingOct 18 02:28
fewaits the last great field of untapped oilOct 18 02:28
mutxwhy not convert it to carbon and mix it with soil ?Oct 18 02:28
schestowitzMaybe they opened their Vista7 'party' pack a week too earlyOct 18 02:28
oiaohmor other reletated mutxOct 18 02:28
DaemonFCso is Saudi ArabiaOct 18 02:28
fewaDaemonFC, its prooven reservesOct 18 02:28
fewa"reserves"Oct 18 02:28
oiaohmIt costs power to turn it into carbon you have to get the power from somewhere mutxOct 18 02:28
DaemonFCfewa, 25-30 years as an optimistic outlookOct 18 02:28
fewayes peak oil is comingOct 18 02:29
fewabut Iraq has alot of oilOct 18 02:29
fewaand the US wants control over itOct 18 02:29
oiaohmEither deep under ground and use earths heat or sun and plants mutxOct 18 02:29
DaemonFCthat gets us to where? 2035 before we have no choice but to ditch oil anyway?Oct 18 02:29
fewaDaemonFC, yes, but rulers do not think long termOct 18 02:29
Chips_B_Malroywe need wind farms everywhere, too bad about the birds it will killOct 18 02:29
DaemonFCby that point we'll be out or so low that the price for what is left shoots up 20 timesOct 18 02:29
fewathey only think the next 5 yearsOct 18 02:29
fewashort-term profitsOct 18 02:30
fewaits just the way they thinkOct 18 02:30
fewaits wrongOct 18 02:30
oiaohmWind farms are not exactly safe.Oct 18 02:30
fewait destroys the countrOct 18 02:30
Chips_B_MalroytrueOct 18 02:30
fewawutOct 18 02:30
fewawind is the way to goOct 18 02:30
fewawhat is wrong with them?Oct 18 02:30
oiaohmAustralia could solve it power problems complete simpley if we were prepard to destory a wonder.Oct 18 02:30
fewaoiaohm, ?Oct 18 02:30
oiaohmThe oceans tidesOct 18 02:30
fewaughhhhOct 18 02:30
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fewawindOct 18 02:30
DaemonFCwe have a couple choices (1) Get off oil NOW (2) Fight World War 3 for what's left in a few decadesOct 18 02:30
mutxbig, ugly, enviromentally bad, Oct 18 02:31
oiaohmBasically huge hydro tide driven fewaOct 18 02:31
fewawind is soo cleanOct 18 02:31
fewaso cheapOct 18 02:31
oiaohmCreature lost would be nothing.Oct 18 02:31
fewawind is cheaper than coal!Oct 18 02:31
schestowitzSeems like the FLOSS show raised the # of visitors temporarily by about 10%Oct 18 02:31
oiaohmWe would just lose a 100 percent unquie water fall.Oct 18 02:31
mutxand so ineffective if it's not windy.Oct 18 02:31
fewaif it wasn't for the subsidiesOct 18 02:31
DaemonFCoil and coal are so bad and dirty and such a short term answer, that anything else that produces power is a good ideaOct 18 02:31
oiaohmIe it water falls two directions.Oct 18 02:31
DaemonFCthat's what I thinkOct 18 02:31
Chips_B_Malroywind has been proven to be ok.  But seriously, California has these big wind farms and turns them off (at least the ones by Palm Springs) because they were killing too many birdsOct 18 02:32
fewamutx, we dont have that problem here cause hydro can even it outOct 18 02:32
fewareallyOct 18 02:32
oiaohmThere are tides and currents we don't tap.Oct 18 02:32
fewai thought the wind turbines turned really slowOct 18 02:32
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy, Shoot the birds before they can fly into the turbine and damage itOct 18 02:32
DaemonFCof course, duhOct 18 02:32
fewacause they are so bigOct 18 02:32
fewaoh waitOct 18 02:32
fewai guess at the tips they are turning really fastOct 18 02:32
oiaohmwind is taping air currents.Oct 18 02:33
fewameh, they killed the salmon with the hydroOct 18 02:33
oiaohmwater currents are more dependable.Oct 18 02:33
fewaoiaohm, which is powered by the spinning of the earthOct 18 02:33
Chips_B_Malroyyou need them in places where you get 30mph winds mostlyOct 18 02:33
fewaand coorealis effectOct 18 02:33
oiaohmBut you get carms in wind fewaOct 18 02:33
oiaohmLot of water currents are tide driven.Oct 18 02:33
oiaohmSo are predictable as lock work.Oct 18 02:34
oiaohmlock/clockOct 18 02:34
fewayeahOct 18 02:34
fewawhat about waves?Oct 18 02:34
Chips_B_MalroyThe times without wind you have to have backup plants to produce powerOct 18 02:34
fewahow does it work?Oct 18 02:34
fewaive seen a number of models from a long way backOct 18 02:34
fewalocks and dams?Oct 18 02:34
oiaohmWaves are wind driven not as predictable Oct 18 02:34
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oiaohmAdvantage wind does not have to be near you to get wave.Oct 18 02:35
fewawhat about inslets?Oct 18 02:35
fewalike fjordsOct 18 02:35
fewayou could damn fjordsOct 18 02:35
oiaohmThere is a lot of power in the water ares we don't touch fewaOct 18 02:35
oiaohmWay more than what we need if done right 100 percent clean.Oct 18 02:36
fewaoh yesOct 18 02:36
fewatotally possibleOct 18 02:36
fewaand possible right nowOct 18 02:36
Chips_B_Malroybut it doesn't matter even if the USA had wind farms everywhere.  Yes we could become energy independant, but do you really think that the electric companies would pass on the savings to us?Oct 18 02:36
fewaonly thing holding it back is politicsOct 18 02:36
fewaand corporate welfare for incumbantsOct 18 02:36
oiaohmWind farms have major issues with noise and vibrations.Oct 18 02:36
Chips_B_Malroynot reallyOct 18 02:37
fewaChips_B_Malroy, yeahOct 18 02:37
oiaohmIt is possiable to generate power from water with no moving parts.Oct 18 02:37
fewaat least here where the electric company is a government program Oct 18 02:37
fewaBPA, very similar to TVAOct 18 02:37
oiaohmOk not 100 percent effective.Oct 18 02:37
Chips_B_Malroythey locate they away from peopleOct 18 02:37
fewaand its not all costsOct 18 02:37
oiaohmIe coil of wire and send water threw it.Oct 18 02:37
fewaalot is getting away from coal pollutionOct 18 02:37
oiaohmThat the ammout of water in tidesOct 18 02:37
oiaohmIs so high non moving might generate enough.Oct 18 02:38
fewa"electric companies" is ca misconstructionOct 18 02:38
fewamany corpsOct 18 02:38
fewabondsOct 18 02:38
fewaprivate investmentOct 18 02:38
oiaohmAir cannot be used to generate power without moving parts that effectively.Oct 18 02:38
fewamain effector of electric is wall streetOct 18 02:39
fewaEnronOct 18 02:39
oiaohmLightning is not fun stuff to go after.Oct 18 02:39
oiaohmBasically we are swiming in power.Oct 18 02:39
fewano and there isn't much power in lightningOct 18 02:39
oiaohmSupprising a lot.Oct 18 02:39
mutxand yet we have to dig up dead trees to burn,Oct 18 02:39
fewanot that you can captureOct 18 02:39
fewaltos over lots of spaceOct 18 02:39
oiaohmJapan worked out if they could aquire 10 pecent of it.Oct 18 02:39
fewajust like solar, wind, etcOct 18 02:39
oiaohmThey would not need there reactors.Oct 18 02:40
fewayou would have to build a massive grid in the skyOct 18 02:40
oiaohmProblem is aquiring the bugger.Oct 18 02:40
fewafar harder than solarOct 18 02:40
oiaohmgetting the lighting to come is simple.Oct 18 02:40
oiaohmLaser guided lighting.Oct 18 02:40
fewaand more sporaticOct 18 02:40
fewamuch more sporatic than windOct 18 02:40
oiaohmBeing able to store it when it comes.Oct 18 02:40
oiaohmThat is the problem.Oct 18 02:40
oiaohmIts too much power too fast.Oct 18 02:41
oiaohmWith huge alterations in ammout as well.Oct 18 02:41
Chips_B_MalroyRoy, that Allen link of yours would make a good story, if you have not already done oneOct 18 02:41
mutxvery little energy in waves, very little energy in tidal, very little energy in wind, nothing except gas, coal, or nuclear can provide the base load for industry.Oct 18 02:41
oiaohmSo yep opps bomb.Oct 18 02:41
oiaohmmutx: there is more in tidal particular near the equator.Oct 18 02:42
oiaohmYou are talking 10 metre tides.Oct 18 02:42
oiaohm+Oct 18 02:42
mutxyes, thats the only place, and how long does a tide change take, 2 or 3 hours tops 2 times a day.Oct 18 02:42
oiaohmIts move like a sign wave.Oct 18 02:43
oiaohmMove/moreOct 18 02:43
oiaohmIt is the full day its changing mutxOct 18 02:43
mutxyou even been up north and seen the tides up there ? Oct 18 02:45
mutxwatched harry buttler ?Oct 18 02:45
DaemonFChttp://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/10/mses-first-week-535752-users-four-million-detections.arsOct 18 02:45
phIRCeTitle: One week of MSE: 1.5 million downloads, 4 million detections - Ars Technica .::. Size~: 43.93 KBOct 18 02:45
DaemonFChttp://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/10/sneak-peek-family-guy-meets-windows-7.arsOct 18 02:48
phIRCeTitle: Sneak peek: Family Guy meets Windows 7 - Ars Technica .::. Size~: 44.04 KBOct 18 02:48
DaemonFChehOct 18 02:48
trmancogn guysOct 18 02:49
trmanco!quit phIRCeOct 18 02:49
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Chips_B_MalroyThe only thing I can see about the energy situation here in the USA is this.  We are in a depression, and the price of gas is still far too high for the economic times.  There is plenty of supply right now, so its monopolies in the form of cartels and corporations controlling the priceOct 18 02:54
Chips_B_MalroyAnd the gov is controlled by these corporationsOct 18 02:54
Chips_B_Malroyeven if the wind farms came in, these corporations would buy in and control themOct 18 02:55
Chips_B_Malroyuntil the gov starts to enforce antitrust, and sends people who try to control the markplace to jail, nothing will changeOct 18 02:56
Chips_B_MalroyIts the same problem somewhat with M$Oct 18 02:56
fewayou could pull this country out of recession by putting detroit to work on wind farms and tide farmsOct 18 03:03
fewaand not giving $700 billion to criminalsOct 18 03:03
fewabecause they are criminalsOct 18 03:03
Chips_B_Malroywasn't that 700 billion x 2 ?Oct 18 03:05
fewa$350 X 2Oct 18 03:06
fewa+ a few other bailoutsOct 18 03:06
fewa*$350 billion X 2Oct 18 03:06
fewa$350 is already goneOct 18 03:06
fewaand the fed wont even tell congressmen who they gave it toOct 18 03:06
Chips_B_MalroyI thought both Bush and Obama did a 700 and a 800 one between them Oct 18 03:07
fewaoh , maybeOct 18 03:07
Chips_B_MalroyI could be wrong, but don't think soOct 18 03:07
fewawell, enough that they could pay off every person's morgageOct 18 03:07
fewabut they wont do that, noOct 18 03:07
fewacause they have to preserve the system of controlOct 18 03:08
Chips_B_Malroyalso Bush did a 25 billion bailout to detroit, which staved off the problem till Obama had to deal with itOct 18 03:08
Chips_B_Malroyairlines should need a bailout soonOct 18 03:09
Chips_B_Malroyif unemployment does not improve soon, expect more foreclosures, and therefore more bank loses, the bank will be back for another bailoutOct 18 03:10
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla Unofficially Joins #ECIS and Opera in Opposition to Microsoft’s Deal in #Europe http://ur1.ca/du6vOct 18 03:11
fewaevery foreclosure is a huge loss to a bank Oct 18 03:12
fewathey banks would make money if they just renegotiated the loansOct 18 03:12
fewayet they dont do thatOct 18 03:12
Chips_B_Malroyif you don't have income, you cannot pay anywayOct 18 03:12
fewaevery person you kick out of a home is a loss to the economyOct 18 03:13
Chips_B_Malroyso only real alternative it to postpone the paymentsOct 18 03:13
fewaIts jsut an attempt to force a landlord tenet feudal societyOct 18 03:13
Chips_B_Malroywe are already slaves to the systemOct 18 03:13
fewaThe "system" is a jokeOct 18 03:14
fewaany system that takes Oct 18 03:14
fewathe public's money, and uses to take away peoples housesOct 18 03:14
fewathats a jokeOct 18 03:14
Chips_B_Malroyagreed, but the correct word is corruptionOct 18 03:15
schestowitz[02:41] <Chips_B_Malroy> Roy, that Allen link of yours would make a good story, if you have not already done oneOct 18 03:15
schestowitzDone alreadyOct 18 03:15
schestowitzWe have like 8000 postsOct 18 03:15
Chips_B_Malroyah, I should have knownOct 18 03:15
fewastate governments are far betterOct 18 03:15
fewaand might I say, saneOct 18 03:15
Chips_B_Malroyyou think?Oct 18 03:16
fewaalthough there are some strong attempts to corrupt themOct 18 03:16
schestowitz[03:08] <fewa> cause they have to preserve the system of controlOct 18 03:16
fewaespecially initivesOct 18 03:16
schestowitzHalliburton is in control stllOct 18 03:16
fewano-bid contractsOct 18 03:16
schestowitzLast I heard, Blackwater will also change its nameOct 18 03:16
fewato the vice president (former)Oct 18 03:16
schestowitzY'know, to dodge bad reputationOct 18 03:16
fewakinda smells of conflict of interestOct 18 03:17
fewaschestowitz, blackwater changes its name every weekOct 18 03:17
Chips_B_Malroyso Blackwater might change its name?  Sounds like a page out of the Microsoft manual of renaming failed products Oct 18 03:17
fewaschestowitz, look at the lawsuit, tons of "in name" corpsOct 18 03:17
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Chips_B_Malroynew name=new product   at least in most people's mindsOct 18 03:19
schestowitzfewa: how about redwater?Oct 18 03:19
schestowitzNext iteration: red riverOct 18 03:19
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fewaEric prince: "views himself as a Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe,"Oct 18 03:19
fewaaccording to sworn testimony of former Blackwater employee and an ex-US MarineOct 18 03:20
fewahttp://www.thenation.com/doc/20090817/scahillOct 18 03:20
fewahttp://wikileaks.org/wiki/Sealed_complaint_against_JP_Morgan_Chase%2C_Citigroup_and_Nelnet_for_defrauding_the_United_States_government%2C_19_May_2008Oct 18 03:21
fewaSealed complaint against JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup and Nelnet for defrauding the United States government, 19 May 2008Oct 18 03:21
fewahttps://secure.wikileaks.org/wiki/Xe-Blackwater_warcrimes_case:_employee_declarations%2C_legal_complaint_and_motions%2C_2009Oct 18 03:22
fewahttps://secure.wikileaks.org/wiki/Xe-Blackwater_warcrimes_case:_complaint%2C_2009Oct 18 03:22
fewahttps://secure.wikileaks.org/wiki/Xe-Blackwater_warcrimes_case:_employee_declaration%2C_2009Oct 18 03:22
oiaohmfewa:  yep insane Christians still live.Oct 18 03:22
Chips_B_Malroyas well as Muslims and other religionsOct 18 03:23
Chips_B_Malroyno religion, group, has control of all crazyOct 18 03:24
oiaohmAt least insane buddhists normally not a worry to anyone other than budhists religion leaders lifes.Oct 18 03:25
Chips_B_Malroywas probably was some crazy budhists at one time, but the examples elude me right offOct 18 03:26
Chips_B_Malroymaybe some of the buddists monks that set themselves on fire in vietmanOct 18 03:26
oiaohmSee normally not risk to others.Oct 18 03:27
Chips_B_Malroythe memory is going, but sometimes I due rememberOct 18 03:27
DaemonFCI still wonder what planes the Christians hijacked and flew into buildingsOct 18 03:27
Chips_B_Malroyrisk to others?  fire hazardOct 18 03:27
DaemonFCor what buses they blew upOct 18 03:27
oiaohmDaemonFC:  could happen.Oct 18 03:27
DaemonFCor what embassies or ships they bombedOct 18 03:27
DaemonFCetc.Oct 18 03:27
DaemonFCoiaohm, But has it?Oct 18 03:27
DaemonFCnoOct 18 03:27
oiaohmBombing embassies has happened from Christians.Oct 18 03:28
Chips_B_Malroyevery religion has their craziesOct 18 03:28
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DaemonFCthe crazy spectrum must not go as far for Christians as it does for MuslimsOct 18 03:28
oiaohmJust not for a long time.Oct 18 03:28
DaemonFCseems like with Muslims, it's always some damned thingOct 18 03:28
oiaohmLot of the Christian crazys hae been terminated.Oct 18 03:28
DaemonFCnot a day goes by that they don't murder people right and leftOct 18 03:28
oiaohmAlso Christians have not had moviation to go nuts recently.Oct 18 03:28
Chips_B_Malroylike the SudanOct 18 03:28
oiaohmIf you don't watch it sections of christians will turn as bad as the Muslims.Oct 18 03:29
oiaohmMiss quoting texts and all.Oct 18 03:29
Chips_B_Malroyyes, hate is a virus that spreadsOct 18 03:29
oiaohmBasically you need to look over the past 1000 years DaemonFCOct 18 03:30
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oiaohmWe are just in the worst point of the Muslims.Oct 18 03:30
Chips_B_Malroymore like 1400 yearsOct 18 03:30
DaemonFCThere's probably been more people murdered in cold blood by Muslims in the last 10 years than by Christians in the last 1,000Oct 18 03:30
oiaohmThere have been points were Christians have been worse.Oct 18 03:30
Chips_B_Malroytrue, the crusadesOct 18 03:31
oiaohmThere is a big population now DaemonFCOct 18 03:31
oiaohmOn percentage of poplutation killed at the time.Oct 18 03:31
Chips_B_Malroybut the crusades were a reactionOct 18 03:31
DaemonFCthe Crusades were a warOct 18 03:31
oiaohmYou are forgetting the taking of the ammericas.Oct 18 03:31
DaemonFCthe Muslims don't just kill as a part of warOct 18 03:31
oiaohmWhere it was fine to kill the non christians.Oct 18 03:31
DaemonFCthey kill anyone they canOct 18 03:31
Chips_B_Malroyto the closing of the holy lands by the Muslim authories at the time Oct 18 03:32
oiaohmChristian vs non Muslim has happened a lot.Oct 18 03:32
Chips_B_MalroyMost Muslims just want to live a normal life like the rest of usOct 18 03:32
oiaohmChristians  are not squeey clean Like the bibble being use to justify killing witches.Oct 18 03:33
Chips_B_Malroyhow about the "taking of australia?"Oct 18 03:33
oiaohmThat was a mixture of things.Oct 18 03:33
Chips_B_Malroyits all in the interpertation, isn't it?Oct 18 03:33
oiaohmRelegion was not a factor.Oct 18 03:33
Chips_B_Malroysame with the Koran as wellOct 18 03:33
oiaohmCulture problem was Australian.Oct 18 03:34
oiaohmThe whites did not see that since land did not appear to be farmed that it was owned and cared for.Oct 18 03:34
Chips_B_Malroyit was not a religious thing here, unless you mean the pilgrams leaving England because of religous perscution?Oct 18 03:34
oiaohmSpanards at the time.Oct 18 03:35
oiaohmtook native amercians back to prove they were non human so they were right to kill them as animals under the bible Chips_B_MalroyOct 18 03:35
Chips_B_MalroyI will not argue with the Spanards for destroying the Aztecs religionOct 18 03:35
oiaohmOf course the case went against them.Oct 18 03:35
Chips_B_Malroyin fact I say they did the moral thingOct 18 03:36
oiaohmDestroying Aztecs religion one thing.Oct 18 03:36
oiaohmKilling the population to do it.Oct 18 03:36
Chips_B_Malroysmallpox did 80% of thatOct 18 03:36
oiaohmAnd treating the population as worthless slaves.Oct 18 03:36
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oiaohmThen having to balls to try to use the bible to justify it.Oct 18 03:37
Chips_B_Malroybut your point was religion and what the spanish did with itOct 18 03:37
Chips_B_Malroyah, okkOct 18 03:37
Chips_B_Malroythe "heathen" must be converted and taughtOct 18 03:38
Chips_B_Malroybut in this case, taught means enslavedOct 18 03:38
oiaohmOr killed Chips_B_MalroyOct 18 03:38
oiaohmIt was bad abuse of bible.Oct 18 03:38
Chips_B_Malroykilling is the ultimate form of government control oiaohmOct 18 03:39
Chips_B_MalroyTerrior is a form of controlOct 18 03:39
oiaohmChristians have been lucky.Oct 18 03:39
Chips_B_Malroythe Aztecs themselves used terrior in killingsOct 18 03:39
oiaohmMost of our radicals are no more.Oct 18 03:39
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy, As in little dogs?Oct 18 03:39
DaemonFC:)Oct 18 03:39
Chips_B_Malroydogs of warOct 18 03:40
cubezzzRomans put the beat-down on the ChristiansOct 18 03:40
cubezzzfor a timeOct 18 03:40
DaemonFCSony is buying 3 minute ads on HuluOct 18 03:40
DaemonFC:POct 18 03:40
Chips_B_MalroyReligion is all about who interperts the religions, if you stop thinking for yourselves, wellOct 18 03:40
oiaohmThat is the issue Chips_B_MalroyOct 18 03:41
cubezzznow we got Operating Systems :)Oct 18 03:41
Chips_B_MalroyAztec civilization was evilOct 18 03:41
oiaohmWe are just in a time when Mulsims religion is getting abused.Oct 18 03:41
oiaohmAnother 100 years time it could be another religion.Oct 18 03:41
oiaohmIt would be realy impressive if its buddhish next.Oct 18 03:42
*cubezzz waits for the Church of RationalityOct 18 03:42
Chips_B_MalroyMuslim religion needs to change with the times, and become a gentler more benevolant religion, open to toleranceOct 18 03:42
Chips_B_Malroyand I do not know how others can help them do thatOct 18 03:42
cubezzza mixture of Science and Religion maybeOct 18 03:43
oiaohmChips_B_Malroy: sections of Muslim all ready are.Oct 18 03:43
Chips_B_Malroythey do not have any central organization, like the pope.  Oct 18 03:43
oiaohmMuslim is a highly splintered religion.Oct 18 03:44
Chips_B_MalroyThe Calipah (misspelled sorry) was the last one in charge of the religion, and the muslim empireOct 18 03:44
oiaohmSome sections are fine.  Other sections need to be terminated.Oct 18 03:44
oiaohmMind you the sections that need to be terminated are partly working on doing that themselves.Oct 18 03:45
oiaohmIe I want control of more people so I will kill the other groups leader.Oct 18 03:45
Chips_B_MalroyBecause religion should serve mankind, making life here on earth a better place for allOct 18 03:45
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows Has More Infections Than Machines http://bit.ly/8WopROct 18 03:45
Chips_B_MalroyI wonder if Muslims have a ten commandments too?Oct 18 03:46
Chips_B_Malroyas in "thou shall not kill."Oct 18 03:46
Chips_B_Malroynot saying that to be funny, I just do not knowOct 18 03:46
Chips_B_Malroyit worked for about 300 years for Christians, until ConstantineOct 18 03:47
oiaohmThe muslims do.Oct 18 03:47
DaemonFCmeh, I'm just leaving Vista on here til Windows 7 comes in my mailOct 18 03:47
DaemonFCembrace the horrorOct 18 03:47
oiaohmBut they also have that you can kill to protect self Chips_B_MalroyOct 18 03:47
DaemonFCspeaking of operating systems, that isOct 18 03:47
oiaohmThat gets abused bady Chips_B_MalroyOct 18 03:47
oiaohmKilling unarmed person is not self defence.Oct 18 03:48
Chips_B_Malroyits in the interpertationOct 18 03:48
Chips_B_Malroyor who interpertsOct 18 03:48
Chips_B_Malroyor who counts the votesOct 18 03:48
Chips_B_Malroyor in the eula that ms makesOct 18 03:48
Chips_B_MalroyinterpertationOct 18 03:49
Chips_B_Malroyany religioin maybe set up good or bad, but if your interpertation is flawed, it becomes mind controlOct 18 03:49
Chips_B_Malroyalso, these books contain enough words that conflicts in meaning can be found oftenOct 18 03:50
Chips_B_Malroyfor someone who would rather change of religion of love into one of hateOct 18 03:51
Chips_B_Malroyreligion can be a good thing, as most people are not thinkers.  Most people need a moral guide to live by Oct 18 03:52
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Chips_B_MalroyBut if your religion is Micro$oft, you are truely lost.Oct 18 03:56
DaemonFChttp://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/17/earlyshow/saturday/main5392367.shtmlOct 18 03:56
DaemonFCnow there's outrage when some bigot tells a man and a woman they can't marryOct 18 03:56
DaemonFCsee how it is?Oct 18 03:56
Chips_B_Malroyone personOct 18 03:56
Chips_B_Malroyjust someone fire him and move onOct 18 03:57
DaemonFCgay people get to deal with this crap in just about every city and stateOct 18 03:58
DaemonFCand at the federal levelOct 18 03:58
DaemonFCit's nice to see a straight couple get slapped in the face with the same bigotry even if it's not on a national levelOct 18 03:59
Chips_B_Malroydown south there is a little more of thatOct 18 03:59
Chips_B_Malroynot like it used to be thoughOct 18 04:00
DaemonFChttp://www.pcworld.com/article/173863/firefox_foils_microsofts_security_hole.htmlOct 18 04:01
Chips_B_Malroyone day there will be another blaster type worm to hit windowsOct 18 04:04
qsheetsI hope it's soonOct 18 04:07
Chips_B_Malroyconflicker might have been itOct 18 04:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More on Gates’ Evil Foundation ( #GMO ) http://bit.ly/fyNwkOct 18 04:17
schestowitzfewa: I quoted you there ^Oct 18 04:18
DaemonFCthis back massaging chair is really helping, it has already broken up a few knotsOct 18 04:20
DaemonFCthe chiropractor I go to did wonders for my back and neck, I was walking with a limp for a week and a half after the seizures before I got in to see himOct 18 04:23
Chips_B_Malroyhot tub would be good for thatOct 18 04:25
DaemonFCmy neck and back were out of alignment, majorlyOct 18 04:26
Chips_B_Malroyso a lot more than just musle painOct 18 04:27
DaemonFCyou should have heard him going to work on me, it was like the sound of crunching a bag of potato chips every time he did something elseOct 18 04:27
DaemonFCoh yeahOct 18 04:27
DaemonFCwhen I said those seizures were like getting ran over by a truck, I wasn't exagerrating all that much reallyOct 18 04:27
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DaemonFCthe chiropractor I go to is excellent, back in 2006 I came home one morning from work and sat down and ate breakfast and checked my email, and couldn't stand up againOct 18 04:29
DaemonFCI had to have my ex grab my hands and help me upOct 18 04:29
DaemonFCI made it down to the chiropractor somehow and he fixed me right upOct 18 04:30
DaemonFCI was back at work that nightOct 18 04:30
DaemonFCthere's good chiropractors and bad chiropractors jsut like there's good and bad of any other kind of doctorOct 18 04:31
DaemonFCI really hope this guy never retires thoughOct 18 04:31
DaemonFCI also had the unusually good sense to buy a really expensive bed when I had the money toOct 18 04:34
DaemonFCit doesn't use springs, it uses coils, so the box springs never really wear outOct 18 04:35
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Chips_B_MalroySo is M$ planning on an Office Starter edition that uses advertising to pay it?Oct 18 04:38
DaemonFCdoubt itOct 18 04:44
DaemonFCadvertising doesn't pay the big bucks they wantOct 18 04:44
DaemonFCWhy cheapen the brand? Oct 18 04:44
DaemonFCthey can keep dumping cheap copies on students and teachersOct 18 04:45
Chips_B_Malroyyes, exactly.  They would canabalize their own profitsOct 18 04:45
Chips_B_Malroybut they are afriad of Google Chrome OS and google appsOct 18 04:45
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy, When Vista came out they were giving away free copies of Vista and Office 2003 if you agreed to let them spy on youOct 18 04:45
DaemonFCthey shitcanned that program within a monthOct 18 04:46
Chips_B_Malroyjust as well, they spy on users anywayOct 18 04:46
DaemonFCI really don't have much use for an Office program except on occasionOct 18 04:46
DaemonFCmost of the time, it sits there doing nothingOct 18 04:46
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy, No, they ask you to join the Customer Experience Improvement Program ;)Oct 18 04:47
DaemonFCand grey out the "No" optionOct 18 04:47
DaemonFC:DOct 18 04:47
Chips_B_Malroysame here, abiword is good enough except for about every four years when I need a picture added to a docOct 18 04:48
Chips_B_MalroyexceptOct 18 04:48
DaemonFCthe Novell OOXML plugin is good enough to export with most of the timeOct 18 04:48
Chips_B_Malroylike when I made flyers to sell somethingOct 18 04:48
tessierI wonder what Miguel will have to say about Jeremy's blog entry...Oct 18 04:48
Chips_B_Malroymost likely nothingOct 18 04:48
Chips_B_Malroyand hope it goes awayOct 18 04:49
Chips_B_Malroybut it won't go away, will it?Oct 18 04:49
DaemonFCthe internet has an annoying habit of copying things you postOct 18 04:50
DaemonFC:POct 18 04:50
Chips_B_Malroyif mono and moonlight went to the restricted repo's, that would put it out of the way for most newbiesOct 18 04:50
DaemonFConce you post it, you may never be able to get rid of itOct 18 04:50
DaemonFCCanonical is pushing MonoOct 18 04:51
DaemonFCdefending it tooOct 18 04:51
fewaschestowitz, you should quote The Nation articleOct 18 04:51
Chips_B_Malroythey may go too farOct 18 04:51
Chips_B_MalroyMark Shuttleworth most likely thinks he and his company cannot be sued because there are no patents at the Isle of MannOct 18 04:54
fewahttp://www.thenation.com/doc/20090921/patel_et_alOct 18 04:54
Chips_B_MalroyBut I think they most likely have some assets in this country that M$ could go afterOct 18 04:54
fewaChips_B_Malroy, canonical is a small publically facing company, there are many, more likely aims of attacksOct 18 04:57
fewalike corporate users of softwareOct 18 04:57
Chips_B_Malroyyes, but ubuntu is getting into the server commercial market nowOct 18 04:57
fewathe idea is to create FUDOct 18 04:57
fewaChips_B_Malroy, i really dont see why, when it is just debianOct 18 04:58
DaemonFCyeah, that MS may come after your customersOct 18 04:58
DaemonFClike SCO suing Auto ZoneOct 18 04:58
Chips_B_Malroyclearly MS has now gone beyond the FUD stageOct 18 04:58
fewabut ms will atack customers, more fud and less pr hit to take that routeOct 18 04:58
Chips_B_Malroywith the fat32 long file names suitOct 18 04:58
fewaits just a higher level of fearOct 18 04:58
fewaas in real law suitsOct 18 04:58
fewareal lawsuits do create fearOct 18 04:59
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] “ #Mono Mania” Carries on and #Evolution Includes Mono http://bit.ly/37ibAhOct 18 05:09
schestowitz[04:51] <fewa> schestowitz, you should quote The Nation articleOct 18 05:10
schestowitzWhich one?Oct 18 05:10
schestowitzThe older GMO one?Oct 18 05:10
schestowitzI cited it hereOct 18 05:10
fewaahh okOct 18 05:10
schestowitzfewa: Oh, I see nowOct 18 05:11
schestowitzYes, that's the article I showed GlynOct 18 05:12
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Omar87Hi all.Oct 18 05:15
fewahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK44oAyOPoUOct 18 05:15
fewaAlan Grayson on Bill Maher: GOP Health Care Reform Would Be Letting You Bring A Gun to the DoctorOct 18 05:15
fewaMaher seemed differn'tOct 18 05:15
Omar87oiaohm, are you around?Oct 18 05:16
DaemonFCyou should be able to bring a gunOct 18 05:17
DaemonFCif the doctor insists on name brand, shoot himOct 18 05:17
tessierI'm all for being able to bring a gunOct 18 05:18
schestowitz!google abortionist shotOct 18 05:21
schestowitzOh, the bot ain't here, never mindOct 18 05:21
schestowitzIt's 5am here, enough for meOct 18 05:21
Omar87Has any of you seen a video about animals being skinned alive in China?Oct 18 05:22
fewathat happens in the USOct 18 05:24
fewajust watch "Roger and Me"Oct 18 05:24
fewaMichael MooreOct 18 05:25
fewao wait, the animals are deadOct 18 05:25
fewastill, its in the movieOct 18 05:25
Omar87fewa, It makes think a hundred times before buying anything from a brand store.Oct 18 05:27
Omar87It makes *you* think...Oct 18 05:27
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[d235j] RT @GuyKawasaki: Why you should visit England before you die http://om.ly/NuFSOct 18 05:51
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tessierhttp://old.imgur.com/Hkw5E.jpg "Freedom can go to hell"Oct 18 06:01
tessierComplete brainwashed nutters.Oct 18 06:01
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cubezzzlol, I was almost expecting MIcrosoft signsOct 18 06:08
tessierIndeed.Oct 18 06:19
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Two day free Ubuntu 9.04 Cloud Course. Limited availability for tomorrow and Tuesday. http://bit.ly/1mUPa9 ping @dinda to book a place.Oct 18 10:50
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*qsheets wonders what would happen if people never needed to sleepOct 18 11:20
MinceRH[E]LL advertises vista7 >> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/10/15/0442259/Michael-Dell-Says-Windows-7-Will-Make-You-Love-PCs?from=rssOct 18 11:22
schestowitzHehe.Oct 18 11:23
schestowitzNo, /. advertises itOct 18 11:23
schestowitzI was just writing about thisOct 18 11:23
schestowitzIt's ShillTime(R) cause the release of V7 is nearOct 18 11:23
MinceRyes, both dell and /. advertise it, togetherOct 18 11:25
MinceRi thought this might help those who still believe that dell supports gnu/linuxOct 18 11:25
qsheetsis it just me, or is twitter down?Oct 18 11:26
oiaohmHere comes the windows 7 adds.Oct 18 11:27
oiaohmIf Windows 7 flops too MS will be really in trouble.Oct 18 11:27
qsheetsMAKE IT FLOP!!!Oct 18 11:27
oiaohmDell does support Linux to a point MinceROct 18 11:30
oiaohmProblem is money is money.Oct 18 11:30
MinceRonly to the point where it helps them get better deals from m$Oct 18 11:31
oiaohmSo equalling more profit MinceROct 18 11:32
oiaohmAdvertising Windows 7 also gets them discounts MinceROct 18 11:32
oiaohmIts all about the money.Oct 18 11:32
MinceRi knowOct 18 11:32
oiaohmWhen you know there motivation they are controlable.Oct 18 11:33
oiaohmAnd useful,.Oct 18 11:33
MinceRthe FLOSS community can't afford to throw that much money at themOct 18 11:35
MinceRnor would it be rightOct 18 11:35
qsheetspoor twitterOct 18 11:35
MinceRm$ and their henchmen must be punished for their behavior.Oct 18 11:35
qsheetsfire BallmerOct 18 11:36
qsheets<(^^,)>Oct 18 11:36
MinceRthat's not enoughOct 18 11:36
MinceRthere are more bastards in the lineOct 18 11:36
MinceRalso, if he only gets fired, he gets to keep all the money he doesn't deserveOct 18 11:37
MinceRnot much of a deterrentOct 18 11:37
qsheetsget more companies like i4i to file more lawsuitsOct 18 11:38
schestowitz[11:26] <qsheets> is it just me, or is twitter down?Oct 18 11:39
schestowitzFine hereOct 18 11:39
schestowitz[11:32] <oiaohm> Advertising Windows 7 also gets them discounts MinceROct 18 11:40
schestowitzYes, we know cause we have the receiptsOct 18 11:40
qsheetsschestowitz: try 168.143.162.116Oct 18 11:41
qsheetsthat's the address i have for twitterOct 18 11:41
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oiaohmLack of anti-virus support is one of Linux problem.Oct 18 11:46
oiaohmCommon addon for extra cash is antivirus.Oct 18 11:46
qsheetsschestowitz: what IP do you have for twitter?Oct 18 11:47
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Analysts Mock Free Software and Praise #Vista 7 http://bit.ly/j6MRwOct 18 11:56
MinceRthey could instead spend less on licenses, sell the hw for the same price or only a little cheaper, and keep the extra profitOct 18 11:57
schestowitzroy@roy:~$ ping 168.143.162.116Oct 18 11:57
schestowitzPING 168.143.162.116 (168.143.162.116) 56(84) bytes of data.Oct 18 11:57
schestowitz64 bytes from 168.143.162.116: icmp_seq=1 ttl=239 time=154 msOct 18 11:57
schestowitz64 bytes from 168.143.162.116: icmp_seq=2 ttl=239 time=150 msOct 18 11:57
schestowitzqsheets: loads up OK as http as wellOct 18 11:58
trmanco123... andOct 18 11:58
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schestowitz!google  phIRCeOct 18 11:59
phIRCeHello World!Oct 18 11:59
phIRCe[1] - trmanco / phIRCe / overview — bitbucket.org | http://bitbucket.org/trmanco/phirce/Oct 18 11:59
phIRCe[2] - IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 15th, 2009 | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/irc-log-15102009.htmlOct 18 11:59
phIRCe[3] - IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 16th, 2009 | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/irc-log-16102009.htmlOct 18 11:59
phIRCe[4] - phIRCe - PHP IRC bot | http://www.portugal-a-programar.org/forum/index.php%3Ftopic%3D40290.0Oct 18 11:59
trmancohahaOct 18 11:59
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Bom dia a todos!Oct 18 12:04
qsheetsschestowitz: both my macbook and my server 250 miles away say it's not loadingOct 18 12:05
qsheets:(Oct 18 12:05
trmancoExecutable: kmail PID: 4267 Signal: 6 (Aborted)Oct 18 12:25
trmancogreatOct 18 12:25
trmancoand now I don't have any debug symbols installed to help :|Oct 18 12:26
Diablo-D3http://www.reddit.com/tb/9v71xOct 18 12:36
phIRCeTitle: Learn English [NSFW] via reddit.com .::. Size~: 1.3 KBOct 18 12:36
Diablo-D3erOct 18 12:36
Diablo-D3wrong urlOct 18 12:36
Diablo-D3http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mivM7vrQKmcOct 18 12:36
phIRCeTitle: YouTube - Sexy banned commercial microsoft AD .::. Size~: 129.48 KBOct 18 12:36
Diablo-D3there we goOct 18 12:36
Diablo-D3wtf microsoftOct 18 12:36
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Has New Products: More #SoftwarePatents http://bit.ly/1nr1qk #swpatOct 18 12:38
phIRCeTitle: Novell Has New Products: More Software Patents | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 104.41 KBOct 18 12:38
schestowitzDiablo-D3: old newsOct 18 12:38
schestowitzThere's worseOct 18 12:39
schestowitzThere's one where they show an underage girl in a car that's rocking (sex)Oct 18 12:39
schestowitzIIRC, British ad authorities tore that downOct 18 12:39
schestowitzhttp://arebentisch.wordpress.com/2009/10/17/alternativeto/Oct 18 12:45
phIRCeTitle: Alternativeto «  Sköne Oke .::. Size~: 14.69 KBOct 18 12:46
schestowitzIraqi army confronted UK deportation officials on Baghdad plane http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/16/unhcr-uk-baghdad-deportations.Oct 18 12:47
phIRCeTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found .::. Size~: 0 KBOct 18 12:47
schestowitzIsrael rejects UN council backing for Gaza war crimes report http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/16/gaza-war-crimes-un-vote Israel is in denial.Oct 18 12:47
oiaohmhttp://www.linux.com/news/enterprise/biz-enterprise/135546:linux-succeeds-across-the-board  Not numbers MS people want to hear.Oct 18 12:48
schestowitzhttp://blog.remoteresponder.net/2009/10/16/customization-upgradeability-and-eternally-regenerative-software-administration/Oct 18 12:48
phIRCeTitle: Managing FOSS for Business Results  » Blog Archive   » Customization, Upgradeability and Eternally Regenerative Software Administration .::. Size~: 15.1 KBOct 18 12:49
schestowitzoiaohm: exactlyOct 18 12:49
schestowitzThey want to perpetuate the myth that Linux is chasing forever a 1% market shareOct 18 12:49
oiaohmAnd they realy don't like talking cross platform development either if its something that works like QT>Oct 18 12:50
schestowitzhttp://www.unixmen.com/news-today/471-the-winner-is-google-chromeOct 18 12:50
schestowitzoiaohm: +1Oct 18 12:51
schestowitzhttp://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/10/will-linux-be-the-dominant-os-for-consumer-electronics.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rssOct 18 12:51
phIRCeTitle: Will Linux be the dominant OS for consumer electronics? - Ars Technica .::. Size~: 45.67 KBOct 18 12:51
schestowitzoiaohm: what do you think abt http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/10/comparing-kde-4-and-gnome-3.htmlOct 18 12:52
phIRCeTitle: aseigo: comparing "KDE 4" and "GNOME 3" .::. Size~: 104.35 KBOct 18 12:52
schestowitzhttp://www.idreamoflinux.com/2009/10/growth-of-linux.html :-)Oct 18 12:55
oiaohmWhat is always missed with the Gnome and KDE compares is where they are merging.Oct 18 12:55
oiaohmLike both are using policykit backends these days.Oct 18 12:56
oiaohmBoth are using a common sys tray format.Oct 18 12:56
oiaohmBasically they are merging very slowly.Oct 18 12:56
schestowitzYes, exactlyOct 18 12:56
schestowitzBut... alas, it's old news, no?Oct 18 12:56
schestowitzI could run gnome-panel over x-session in Windows even in 2001Oct 18 12:57
schestowitzAnd in gnome I could run KDE/Qt apps nicelyOct 18 12:57
oiaohmBoth back in 2001 had different incompadible systrays.Oct 18 12:57
schestowitzI remember when nedit was my favourite editor, before I started using kateOct 18 12:57
oiaohmThat use to glich up or look out of place.Oct 18 12:57
schestowitzoiaohm: yes, that I remember. systray issues sometimesOct 18 12:58
oiaohmPeople don't notice the small changes of the merge.Oct 18 12:58
schestowitzI used notify icons like xbiffOct 18 12:58
schestowitzIn Enlightenment mostlyOct 18 12:58
oiaohmIt would be better of we could focus on speeding up the merge.Oct 18 12:58
oiaohmCommon theming format would be really nice.Oct 18 12:58
schestowitzI think it's being done. Seigo writes about itOct 18 12:58
schestowitzoiaohm: Mandriva sorta does thatOct 18 12:59
schestowitzOr maybe kde4Oct 18 12:59
schestowitzBasically, gtk stuff inherits qt settingsOct 18 12:59
schestowitzYou can see it in the new 'kcontrol' (it's no longer called that)Oct 18 12:59
oiaohmThat is a little more evil.Oct 18 12:59
oiaohmGTK to QT bindings schestowitzOct 18 12:59
schestowitzIt has something like "apply colour scheme to gtk apps'Oct 18 12:59
schestowitzBut kde3 had this too, it did not always workOct 18 12:59
oiaohmGTK does not have a reverse.Oct 18 13:00
schestowitzIn ubuntu 7.04 I had another phenomenonOct 18 13:00
oiaohmIe QT to GTK bindings.Oct 18 13:00
schestowitzIf a GTK app appeared in kde-desktop it would be stripped from style initiallyOct 18 13:00
schestowitzAfter a while it would maybe load up the whole theme-ing (?) part and apply skinsOct 18 13:00
schestowitzI don't know whyOct 18 13:01
schestowitzMaybe a memory management thingOct 18 13:01
oiaohmBoth GTK and QT are moving to like CSS based theming.Oct 18 13:01
oiaohmJust wish they would put heards togther and design a single file for it.Oct 18 13:01
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/17/ibm_insider_trading_arrest/Oct 18 13:03
phIRCeTitle: Feds’ insider trading wiretap snares IBM heir apparent • The Register .::. Size~: 26.83 KBOct 18 13:03
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schestowitzMan #2 at iBM. Wow.Oct 18 13:08
schestowitzBach from Microsoft should be arrested tooOct 18 13:08
schestowitzHe's a Microsoft President, also caught inside-tradingOct 18 13:09
schestowitzhttp://www.goldmansachs666.com/2009/10/goldman-sachs-wall-street-jihadis.htmlOct 18 13:09
phIRCeTitle: Goldman Sachs: Wall Street Jihadis ~ Goldman Sachs Information, Comments, Opinions and Facts .::. Size~: 97.55 KBOct 18 13:10
Diablo-D3schestowitz: you know what the problem with that site is?Oct 18 13:19
Diablo-D3it gives GS more credit than they deserveOct 18 13:19
schestowitzYou man, isolation?Oct 18 13:19
schestowitzThey can't run too many sites though they own many *666 domainsOct 18 13:20
schestowitz /s/man/man/Oct 18 13:20
schestowitz /s/man/men/Oct 18 13:20
schestowitz /s/man/mean/Oct 18 13:20
schestowitz*sighOct 18 13:20
Diablo-D3not only that, you fail at regexenOct 18 13:20
Diablo-D3its s/foo/bar/Oct 18 13:20
schestowitzwith grep yeahOct 18 13:20
Diablo-D3with perl and sed and java and and and and...Oct 18 13:21
trmancohttp://milianw.de/blog/first-experience-with-archlinuxOct 18 13:21
phIRCeTitle: first experience with Archlinux | Milian Wolff .::. Size~: 22.42 KBOct 18 13:21
schestowitzhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10372359-245.htmlOct 18 13:22
phIRCeTitle: Adobe exploit puts backdoor on computers | InSecurity Complex - CNET News .::. Size~: 132.36 KBOct 18 13:22
Diablo-D3ughOct 18 13:23
Diablo-D3that guy's blog needs to stop being a WALL OF TEXTOct 18 13:23
schestowitzhttp://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=205245Oct 18 13:23
phIRCeTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Error .::. Size~: 0 KBOct 18 13:23
schestowitz"/index_View.asp, line 33"Oct 18 13:23
schestowitzIran uses ASP?Oct 18 13:23
schestowitzNo embargo?Oct 18 13:23
schestowitzThey should use FOSSOct 18 13:23
schestowitzDiablo-D3: yes, wall of text is almost as annoying as paginationOct 18 13:24
Diablo-D3pagination at least I can readOct 18 13:24
schestowitzIn BN I weave in blockquotes, pictures and other stuff that's more inviting, at least visuallyOct 18 13:24
Diablo-D3your shits hard to read too, actuallyOct 18 13:25
Diablo-D3just lessOct 18 13:25
Diablo-D3er, less harderOct 18 13:25
schestowitzless harder?Oct 18 13:25
schestowitzmore fastlyOct 18 13:25
schestowitzprecisely exavctlyOct 18 13:25
Diablo-D3you need to insert a lot more white spaceOct 18 13:26
Diablo-D3and you need to drop your three column effectOct 18 13:26
schestowitzI didOct 18 13:29
schestowitzAfter people had complainedOct 18 13:29
Diablo-D3look at how the stories pages are setupOct 18 13:29
schestowitzI thought you meant this: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/28/microsoft-kickbacks-cycle/Oct 18 13:30
phIRCeTitle: How the Microsoft Kickbacks Cycle Works | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 115.56 KBOct 18 13:30
schestowitz3 column parasOct 18 13:30
Diablo-D3noOct 18 13:30
Diablo-D3that'd be two columns inside the most left columnOct 18 13:30
schestowitzFunny headline: http://www.crn.com/retail/220600800;jsessionid=NHNACFLTUCMRHQE1GHPSKHWATMY32JVNOct 18 13:31
phIRCeTitle: Apple, Playing Catchup With Zune, May Add iPhone FM - The Chart - IT Channel News And Views by CRN and VARBusiness .::. Size~: 68.26 KBOct 18 13:31
schestowitzDiablo-D3: css-naked pages make it look poorerOct 18 13:32
schestowitzComplex layouts are seen as more 'credible', don't ask me whyOct 18 13:32
Diablo-D3no, they're notOct 18 13:32
schestowitzMicrosoft pretends to be ahead because it's brick is also a tunerOct 18 13:33
schestowitzDiablo-D3: I wouldn't want to run BN as just plain textOct 18 13:33
schestowitzI could, but it would harm itOct 18 13:34
Diablo-D3it harms it being ugly as hellOct 18 13:34
trmanco67aab408-0982-4c05-93ce-775c295d7948@h14g2000pri.googlegroups.comOct 18 13:35
schestowitzload average: 5.45, 3.60, 2.38Oct 18 13:35
schestowitzThe issue we have is CPU/RAMOct 18 13:35
schestowitzThere's lot of caching, but sometimes not enoughOct 18 13:35
Diablo-D3schestowitz: then stop using shitty codeOct 18 13:36
schestowitzYou use WP tooOct 18 13:36
trmancohttp://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/cd86a7826da34b07Oct 18 13:36
Diablo-D3yes, and I dont have nearly the problems you doOct 18 13:36
trmancoschestowitz: yes it might beOct 18 13:36
trmancohow much "io wait" do you see on top?Oct 18 13:36
trmancoit's one of the cpu parametersOct 18 13:36
schestowitzEven on cold boot it takes more than 5 minutes for XP to getOct 18 13:37
schestowitzeverything back in shape, ready to be used. Oct 18 13:37
schestowitzWhat else should I do to speed up my XP machine --- a 4-core CPU withOct 18 13:37
schestowitz4GB of RAM ? Oct 18 13:37
schestowitz /uunquoteOct 18 13:37
schestowitzMaybe there's malwareOct 18 13:37
oiaohmOnly 5 mins.Oct 18 13:37
oiaohmThat is not the worse I have seen from windows internal self caused mess.Oct 18 13:37
oiaohmWorse is 32 mins to login.Oct 18 13:38
oiaohmNo malwareOct 18 13:38
schestowitzVista could lead to itOct 18 13:38
schestowitz!google no pay vista boot inquirerOct 18 13:38
phIRCe[1] - Windows 7 does not boot faster - The Inquirer | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1557924/windows-boot-fasterOct 18 13:38
phIRCe[2] - Firms charge employees for vista boot-up times - The Inquirer | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1049682/firms-charge-employees-for-vista-boot-up-timesOct 18 13:38
phIRCe[3] - Windows 7 slower to boot than Vista - Operating Systems - Build ... | http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/News/157809,windows-7-slower-to-boot-than-vista.aspxOct 18 13:38
phIRCe[4] - Employees sue employers for charging Vista boot-up times | http://thenextweb.com/2008/11/21/employees-sue-employers-for-charging-vista-boot-up-times/Oct 18 13:38
oiaohmVista + crashed winsock is fun.Oct 18 13:38
schestowitzThe /second/ oneOct 18 13:38
oiaohmto say the least.Oct 18 13:38
schestowitzSee how long it tookOct 18 13:39
oiaohmWinsock.Oct 18 13:39
schestowitzOnly 2 of the above results match well, BUT...Oct 18 13:39
schestowitzIt's funny how they interactOct 18 13:39
oiaohmOn business network Vista crashed 1.5 hours to login.Oct 18 13:40
schestowitzStory 1: VIsta boots too slow to be paid by bossOct 18 13:40
schestowitzStory 2: VIsta 7 boots even more slowly than VistaOct 18 13:40
schestowitzoiaohm: so if Vista crashes at work you might as well take a lunch break or hit the gym while it boots :-0Oct 18 13:40
schestowitzOn my dual-core it takes just 20 seconds to bootOct 18 13:41
schestowitzLinux 2.6.31Oct 18 13:41
oiaohmwinsock crash schestowitzOct 18 13:43
oiaohmYou have to go to command line to correct.Oct 18 13:43
schestowitzOct 18 13:43
schestowitz[13:43] <oiaohm> winsock crash schestowitzOct 18 13:43
schestowitzIn Soviet Russian, winsock crash YOU!Oct 18 13:43
schestowitz*RussiaOct 18 13:43
oiaohmYou don't have the network after the machine starts afer 1.5 hours.Oct 18 13:43
oiaohmSo you still have to call the admin and reboot the machine before you can do anything.Oct 18 13:44
schestowitzWell, that's not a problem /we/ haveOct 18 13:44
schestowitzMaybe, actually... you do have to cope with itOct 18 13:44
oiaohmInstalling Linux or XP looks good.Oct 18 13:44
schestowitzPeople whose PCs you managedOct 18 13:44
schestowitzoiaohm: more importantly, was the issue addressed in V7?Oct 18 13:44
oiaohmNop.Oct 18 13:45
schestowitzHahahahahaha!Oct 18 13:45
oiaohmWinsock still splats.Oct 18 13:45
schestowitzI look forward to post-release reviewsOct 18 13:45
oiaohmThere is better with ATI drivers.Oct 18 13:45
schestowitzSadly, those who get burned rarely have blogs. They are not technicalOct 18 13:45
oiaohmYou end up with quater screen view at randomOct 18 13:45
oiaohmIe full screen reduced to 1/4 of screen.Oct 18 13:46
oiaohmSomething is shot in windows 7 compositing system too.Oct 18 13:46
schestowitzhttp://www.techflash.com/seattle/2009/10/microsoft_cracking_down_on_unauthorized_xbox_360_memory_units.htmlOct 18 13:46
phIRCeTitle: Microsoft blocking unauthorized memory units for Xbox 360 .::. Size~: 43.86 KBOct 18 13:46
schestowitzMicrosoft limits your use of your own h/wOct 18 13:46
schestowitz!google windows 7 ati quarter screen Oct 18 13:47
phIRCe[1] - [Solved] ATI 4870 on 42" Toshiba HDTV @ 1080p Improper Screen Size | http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/270459-33-4870-toshiba-hdtv-1080p-improper-screen-sizeOct 18 13:47
phIRCe[2] - Windows 7 to rescue Nvidia and ATI News - PC Advisor | http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm%3Fnewsid%3D115098%26spotlight%3D84:bOct 18 13:47
phIRCe[3] - Rage3D | http://www.rage3d.com/Oct 18 13:47
phIRCe[4] - ATI Declares Intention to Lead with DirectX 11 - X-bit labs | http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20090422075255_ATI_Declares_Intention_to_Lead_with_DirectX_11.htmlOct 18 13:47
oiaohmNo you are wrong schestowitz.  Sign MS is desperate for money wanting all sales of memory units.Oct 18 13:47
oiaohmhttp://skippyslist.com/2009/09/13/another-it-list/   Something I read time to time for a laugh.Oct 18 13:49
phIRCeTitle: Skippys List  » Blog Archive   » Another IT List .::. Size~: 57.42 KBOct 18 13:49
schestowitzhttp://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3176484Oct 18 13:49
phIRCeTitle: Microsoft Reportedly Using ATI GPU For Next Xbox .::. Size~: 101.46 KBOct 18 13:49
schestowitzoiaohm: yes, I'm gonna do a post about xbox as a rented (not owned) unitOct 18 13:50
schestowitzThey also blocked LinuxOct 18 13:50
schestowitzAfter it was possible to achieve buffer overflowOct 18 13:50
qsheetsDiablo-D3: the worst M$ commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zak0wTONc-QOct 18 13:51
phIRCeTitle: YouTube - new Zune commercial .::. Size~: 115.47 KBOct 18 13:51
Diablo-D3ermOct 18 13:51
Diablo-D3Im pretty sure thats not a real ms commercialOct 18 13:52
qsheetsDiablo-D3: it could be... germany maybeOct 18 13:53
trmanco!google lets see how many keywords this can handleOct 18 13:53
phIRCe[1] - Building large keyword lists with Wordtracker's new tool | http://www.wordtracker.com/academy/build-keyword-listsOct 18 13:53
phIRCe[2] - How Many Keywords Should You Target? | http://www.addme.com/newsletters/issue362.htmOct 18 13:53
phIRCe[3] - YTMND - Let's see how many downvotes I can get. | http://whatytmndhates.ytmnd.com/Oct 18 13:53
phIRCe[4] - SEM Bootcamp: How Search Engines See Keywords - Search Engine ... | http://www.searchengineguide.com/jennifer-laycock/sem-bootcamp-how-search-engines-see-keyw.phpOct 18 13:53
qsheetstrmanco: MOAROct 18 13:54
trmancoI think I just had an ideaOct 18 13:54
trmancounderline the user keywords in the search results :-POct 18 13:54
trmanco!google MOAROct 18 13:55
phIRCe[1] - Urban Dictionary: moar | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3Fterm%3DmoarOct 18 13:55
phIRCe[2] - Moar - Encyclopedia Dramatica | http://encyclopediadramatica.com/MoarOct 18 13:55
phIRCe[3] - LURK MOAR - Encyclopedia Dramatica | http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Lurk_moarOct 18 13:55
phIRCe[4] - MOAR Home Page | http://www.moar-recovery.org/Oct 18 13:55
trmancoA combination of "more" and "roar". Oct 18 13:55
Diablo-D3qsheets: its probably not because it DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSEOct 18 13:55
Diablo-D3even by ms standardsOct 18 13:55
trmancoa so that's what it meansOct 18 13:55
qsheetsDiablo-D3: it fell under the "art" category of zuneOct 18 13:56
schestowitzFinally.Oct 18 13:57
schestowitzTruth in advertisingOct 18 13:57
*Diablo-D3 facepalmsOct 18 13:58
schestowitzhttp://www.pr-inside.com/red-ring-of-death-microsoft-s-r1524385.htmOct 18 13:58
phIRCeTitle: Red Ring of Death - Microsoft's Biggest Xbox 360 Problem Repaired at Home Fast  .::. Size~: 20.06 KBOct 18 13:58
schestowitzI don't even THINK there will be a 'next' xbox... http://news.punchjump.com/article.php?id=8813Oct 18 13:59
phIRCeTitle: Punch Jump :// News - The Bigs 2 PS3, Xbox 360, Wii under $30 in one-day sale - Wii / Xbox 360 / PS3 .::. Size~: 14.95 KBOct 18 13:59
Diablo-D3there will be a next xboxOct 18 14:00
Diablo-D3its called the zune desktopOct 18 14:00
*Diablo-D3 runsOct 18 14:00
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schestowitzWhat's this nonsense about? Considering the losses and Microsoft's stagnation, these talks make no senseOct 18 14:00
schestowitzDiablo-D3: PinkOct 18 14:00
schestowitzaka Danger Fiasco+WM 6.5 embarrassmentOct 18 14:00
schestowitzMicrosoft think it can mix two turds to make goldOct 18 14:01
schestowitzSame with Yahoo!+Bong [sic]Oct 18 14:01
Diablo-D3erm, it canOct 18 14:01
schestowitzYou can't merge SEsOct 18 14:01
Diablo-D3in fact, they're very good at itOct 18 14:01
schestowitzOnly userbasesOct 18 14:01
schestowitzDiablo-D3: not reallyOct 18 14:01
schestowitz!google stanford atom change Oct 18 14:01
phIRCe[1] - Atomic Physics: Steven Chu Group at Stanford University | http://www.stanford.edu/group/chugroup/amo/interferometry.htmlOct 18 14:01
phIRCe[2] - Physicists get a grip on atoms with laser tweezers, atomic fountains | http://news.stanford.edu/pr/92/920701Arc2142.htmlOct 18 14:01
phIRCe[3] - Theorists reveal path to creating and observing rare atom ... | http://storybank.stanford.edu/stories/theorists-reveal-path-creating-and-observing-rare-atomOct 18 14:01
phIRCe[4] - Phys. Rev. 24, 204 (1924): et al. - 128th Meeting stanford ... | http://link.aps.org/doi/10.1103/PhysRev.24.204Oct 18 14:01
oiaohm!google linux virusesOct 18 14:03
phIRCe[1] - Linux malware - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malwareOct 18 14:03
phIRCe[2] - The short life and hard times of a Linux virus | http://librenix.com/%3Finode%3D21Oct 18 14:03
phIRCe[3] - Linux Doomed to Virus Plague. (Again.) - Linux Today Blog | http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/2009/07/linux-doomed-to.htmlOct 18 14:03
phIRCe[4] - Linux vs. Windows Viruses | http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/188Oct 18 14:03
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oiaohmSomething odd is going on Linux news as almost stalled.Oct 18 14:24
trmancowell it's sunday :-POct 18 14:25
trmanco!google linux newsOct 18 14:25
phIRCe[1] - LXer: Linux News | http://lxer.com/Oct 18 14:26
phIRCe[2] - Linux Today - Linux News On Internet Time. | http://www.linuxtoday.com/Oct 18 14:26
phIRCe[3] - LinuxInsider: Linux News & Information from Around the World | http://www.linuxinsider.com/Oct 18 14:26
phIRCe[4] - Linux Online - News for October 18, 2009 | http://www.linux.org/news/Oct 18 14:26
trmanco!google gnu/linux newsOct 18 14:26
phIRCe[1] - Linux Today - Linux News On Internet Time. | http://www.linuxtoday.com/Oct 18 14:26
phIRCe[2] - The Linux Home Page at Linux Online | http://www.linux.org/Oct 18 14:26
phIRCe[3] - Gentoo Linux -- Gentoo Linux News | http://www.gentoo.org/Oct 18 14:26
phIRCe[4] - Welcome to Linux.com: Your Source for All Things Linux | http://www.linux.com/Oct 18 14:26
trmancohttp://www.reddit.com/tb/9v36rOct 18 14:28
phIRCeTitle: Firefox to Microsoft: GTFO via reddit.com .::. Size~: 1.31 KBOct 18 14:28
trmancohahaOct 18 14:28
trmanco"Microsoft: "If you can't make a better product, make the other guy's product as bad as yours""Oct 18 14:29
oiaohmReally Firefox could sue over it.Oct 18 14:29
oiaohmMallous damage.Oct 18 14:30
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schestowitzhttp://www.albawaba.com/en/countries/Jordan/255468Oct 18 14:31
phIRCeTitle: albawaba.com  middle east news information::Microsoft Jordan holds Media Workshop on Windows 7 .::. Size~: 50.36 KBOct 18 14:31
schestowitzJust as omar left.Oct 18 14:31
schestowitzoiaohm: not true that Linux news stalledOct 18 14:32
schestowitzAlso, don't judge by _English_ newsOct 18 14:32
oiaohmI must have just had a bad run of sites schestowitzOct 18 14:33
oiaohmJust found a little on Linux devicesOct 18 14:33
schestowitzLinux Devices no longer has its main editorOct 18 14:34
schestowitzHenry KingmanOct 18 14:34
schestowitzgadgetgeekOct 18 14:34
schestowitzAnd same for deviceguru Rick LehrbaumOct 18 14:34
schestowitzeWEEK is Ziff DavisOct 18 14:34
schestowitzThey are bankruptOct 18 14:35
schestowitzMS-Watch died tooOct 18 14:35
schestowitzWriting in 'maintenance mode';Oct 18 14:35
schestowitzI have a great post about V7 comingOct 18 14:35
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schestowitzI'll be showing how they manufacture hypeOct 18 14:35
schestowitzWith EnderleOct 18 14:35
schestowitzThat guy infiltrates the papersOct 18 14:35
schestowitzThe 'independent' EnderleOct 18 14:36
schestowitzPresident, Founder, Head, and "Principal analyst" of the Enderle 'Group' (one-man operation)Oct 18 14:36
oiaohmhttp://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Wind-Rivers-Vincent-Rerolle/  Nice read on wind river after intel aquirement.Oct 18 14:37
phIRCeTitle: Wind River's Linux chief: I don't wear an Intel badge. - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 67.63 KBOct 18 14:37
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schestowitzoiaohm: lots of Linux news goes under "ubuntu" or "Android" http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-and-Notebooks/Acer-Aspire-One-Netbook-Boots-Both-Android-Windows-XP-640660/Oct 18 14:40
phIRCeTitle: Acer Aspire One Netbook Boots Android, Windows XP .::. Size~: 97.28 KBOct 18 14:40
schestowitzoiaohm: "Linux is absolutely meeting our needs. "Oct 18 14:40
schestowitzFrom Wind River articleOct 18 14:40
oiaohmAnd intel is letting them do there own chip deals.Oct 18 14:40
oiaohmWe are seeing more duel OS machines now.Oct 18 14:41
oiaohmIt might not be the year of the desktop.  It might be the year of the Half and Half.Oct 18 14:41
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Slashdot Technology Story | Firefox Disables Microsoft .NET Addon http://tinyurl.com/yz5g673Oct 18 14:43
phIRCeTitle: Slashdot Technology Story | Firefox Disables Microsoft .NET Addon .::. Size~: 137.83 KBOct 18 14:43
DaemonFCwatch them re-enable it when MS says it is patchedOct 18 14:43
schestowitzhttp://www.mxlogic.com/securitynews/identity-theft/hotmail-passwords-likely-hacked-not-phished-security-researcher-says332.cfmOct 18 14:47
phIRCeTitle: Hotmail passwords likely hacked, not phished, security researcher says | MX Logic .::. Size~: 19.1 KBOct 18 14:47
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Mudei o refresh interval do choqok para 1 minuto :-P Assim é mais "realtime"Oct 18 14:51
Diablo-D3[09:42:31] <DaemonFC> watch them re-enable it when MS says it is patchedOct 18 14:52
Diablo-D3yes but one thingOct 18 14:52
Diablo-D3you can disable extensions and plugins yourselfOct 18 14:52
Diablo-D3you dont have to uninstall it Oct 18 14:53
schestowitzhttp://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS111061+15-Oct-2009+PRN20091015Oct 18 14:53
schestowitzMeh.Oct 18 14:53
*Diablo-D3 does that to totem, the world's shittiest media playerOct 18 14:53
DaemonFCI disabled Windows presentation Foundation and Windows Live Photo Gallery pluginsOct 18 14:54
DaemonFCright off the batOct 18 14:54
Diablo-D3you know what pisses me off?Oct 18 14:54
DaemonFCI don't want or need them, and I consider them to be in the same class as trojans and spywareOct 18 14:54
Diablo-D3all these specific thingsOct 18 14:54
Diablo-D3instead of just writing shit in javaOct 18 14:55
DaemonFClots of users use Firefox to get away from Internet Explorer vulnerabilities and so Microsoft ports those vulnerabilities to Firefox with a trojan horse "plugin"Oct 18 14:55
DaemonFCMozilla should blacklist all future versions of this shit too until Microsoft pops up a dialog that asks for the user's informed consent to have it installedOct 18 14:56
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Photoshop #fail http://is.gd/4piEROct 18 14:56
DaemonFCsomeone should sue Microsoft over thisOct 18 14:56
Diablo-D3or dont use firefox in windowsOct 18 14:56
Diablo-D3use it in windowsOct 18 14:56
DaemonFCI'm pretty sure there are anti-spyware laws in the US, at least in some states that Microsoft has violatedOct 18 14:56
DaemonFCfor some reason, Indiana has extremely tough laws against junk faxes and telemarketing calls if you're on the opt out listOct 18 14:57
DaemonFCbut we don't have anti-spam or anti-spyware lawsOct 18 14:58
schestowitzThis stupid: http://www.glgroup.com/News/Microsoft-and-Yahoo--Microhoo-vs-the-DOJ-43927.htmlOct 18 14:58
phIRCeTitle: Microsoft and Yahoo: 'Microhoo' vs the DOJ - GLG News .::. Size~: 32.6 KBOct 18 14:58
schestowitzThey miss the pointOct 18 14:58
DaemonFCDiablo-D3, I sued a telemarketing organization a few years agoOct 18 14:58
DaemonFCthe state fined them $5,000 for calling me and gave me $500 of itOct 18 14:58
DaemonFCI also use the restraining order for sexually offensive mail that the post office has quite often, because the US Supreme Court ruled that you can find any piece of mail sexually offensive and the post office can't refuse to enforce the orderOct 18 14:59
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] What is The Daily Show with Jon Stewart? http://ur1.ca/duzm #funny #picOct 18 14:59
DaemonFCso I get no junk mail eitherOct 18 15:00
TallkenDiablo-D3: if the plugin it's the one I'm thinking it is, it's installed system-wide and as such you can't disable itOct 18 15:00
DaemonFCTallken, You can remove it totallyOct 18 15:00
DaemonFCMicrosoft listed the files and the registry keys to deleteOct 18 15:00
TallkenDiablo-D3: there was a patch to convert it from a system-wide install to a user installed plugin and then you could disable it/remove itOct 18 15:00
Diablo-D3Tallken: no, you _can_ turn it offOct 18 15:00
TallkenDaemonFC: I meant using the Firefox Add-on managerOct 18 15:00
Diablo-D3use the addons panel in firefoxOct 18 15:00
Diablo-D3click the plugin and click disableOct 18 15:01
TallkenDiablo-D3: and you can uninstall it as well?Oct 18 15:01
Diablo-D3Tallken: you dont need toOct 18 15:01
Diablo-D3once its disabled, firefox does not load itOct 18 15:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] An uplifting drama: The Daily Show with Jon Stewart http://ur1.ca/duzm #funny #picOct 18 15:01
TallkenDiablo-D3: I'm trying to figure out what I was mistaken about. The MS .NET plugin wouldn't allow one of uninstalling or disablingOct 18 15:05
DaemonFCI don't want it on my computerOct 18 15:05
DaemonFCit can easily get re-enabled if you use multiple profiles in FirefoxOct 18 15:05
Tallkensince you're telling me I can disable it, I assume it was uninstalling that wasn't straightforwardOct 18 15:05
DaemonFCor if you use a new profileOct 18 15:05
schestowitzNoisy drek entered Google News: http://live.iencyclopedia.org/2009/10/microsoft-acquires-yahoos.htmlOct 18 15:06
phIRCeTitle: iEncyclopedia: Microsoft Acquires Yahoo! .::. Size~: 184.94 KBOct 18 15:06
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&c2coff=1&q=site:blog.efrontier.com+microsoft&start=10&sa=N http://blog.efrontier.com/insights/2009/08/is-bing-on-a-roll.htmlOct 18 15:06
phIRCeTitle: site:blog.efrontier.com microsoft - Google Search .::. Size~: 23.14 KBOct 18 15:06
phIRCeTitle: Efficient Frontier Insights: Is Bing on a Roll? .::. Size~: 29.87 KBOct 18 15:06
schestowitzI can't quite see if some staff from there comes from Microsoft. I guess not.Oct 18 15:06
DaemonFCI feel much better with it removedOct 18 15:06
oiaohmTallken: uninstalling with the MS .net plugin was not straight forward.Oct 18 15:06
DaemonFCI used to be an MS MVP :POct 18 15:06
schestowitzDaemonFC: agreed, but why use WIndows?Oct 18 15:06
DaemonFCthat's been about 10 yearsOct 18 15:07
oiaohmIt was installed as part of windows update.Oct 18 15:07
schestowitzFWIW, my Firefox still has disabled plugins from 200Oct 18 15:07
schestowitzFWIW, my Firefox still has disabled plugins from 2004Oct 18 15:07
schestowitz*LOL* So we have MVPs here... not just Microsoft employeesOct 18 15:07
schestowitzMVP gone wrong... now uses LinuxOct 18 15:07
schestowitzPirillo uses the Mac a littleOct 18 15:07
DaemonFCschestowitz: It's like getting an undercooked steak every time compared to Linux which is sometimes just right, but sometimes bloody or burntOct 18 15:08
DaemonFCstick to the devil you knowOct 18 15:08
schestowitzWhat did you do to earn the MVP?Oct 18 15:08
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] anyone else think bethlynn was kinda condecending at times on TLLTS 314?Oct 18 15:09
DaemonFCschestowitz: gaming, directx, multimediaOct 18 15:09
DaemonFCforget what they called the category, but that kind of stuffOct 18 15:10
Tallkenoiaohm: thx for the confirmation :)Oct 18 15:10
DaemonFCat the time I had a pretty fast system, I needed Windows 2000 for it cause I had two processors and Windows 98 had no SMP supportOct 18 15:10
DaemonFCso I was using Windows 2000 since it was alpha/betaOct 18 15:11
DaemonFCI kept Windows 2000 on its own partition for years after XP came outOct 18 15:11
DaemonFCI didn't get rid of it totally til like 2006Oct 18 15:12
DaemonFCI don't know if Linux supported SMP around 1999/2000 though, I seem to remember that it didn't, then when it did, it was awful til around the time 2.6 came outOct 18 15:13
DaemonFCbad SMP support was what kept me off Linux well into the middle of this decadeOct 18 15:13
DaemonFCLinux is surprisingly scalable now so I have no idea what my excuse is nowOct 18 15:14
DaemonFCI seem to remember Microsoft saying that Windows Vista Ultimate and Windows Server 2008 support 128 CPUs/cores, and beating their chest that they've tinkered and managed to get Windows 7/Server 2008 R2 up to 256Oct 18 15:15
DaemonFCI think Linux goes up to 4096 currently so I have no idea what they are bragging aboutOct 18 15:15
DaemonFCschestowitz: Vista SP2 slipped in some undocumented SMP patches I thinkOct 18 15:16
schestowitzYesOct 18 15:16
DaemonFCpre-SP2, it would peg a core before moving to the nextOct 18 15:16
schestowitzI noticed another thingOct 18 15:16
DaemonFCnow it seems to balance the load betterOct 18 15:16
schestowitzThere is a 'maintenance' lump coming to V7Oct 18 15:16
schestowitz"stability" and stuffOct 18 15:16
schestowitzI couldn't see security stuff in thereOct 18 15:17
schestowitz