| trmanco | aww, well | Oct 19 00:00 |
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| trmanco | it's both then | Oct 19 00:00 |
| trmanco | everybody will be happy :-P | Oct 19 00:00 |
| oiaohm | So its a it trmanco | Oct 19 00:01 |
| schestowitz | Do bots have gender? | Oct 19 00:01 |
| schestowitz | !google bot gender | Oct 19 00:02 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Gendered Bods and Bot Abuse | http://sherylbrahnam.com/papers/EN1962.pdf | Oct 19 00:02 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Bot Tagging - Virtual-Presence.org | http://www.virtual-presence.org/notes/VPTN-5.txt | Oct 19 00:02 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Gender Changing Bot: Redux : omegle | http://www.reddit.com/r/omegle/comments/9iq7a/gender_changing_bot_redux/ | Oct 19 00:02 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Your bot, personality & character - create AI that becomes you ... | http://www.jabberwacky.com/yourbotsignup | Oct 19 00:02 |
| trmanco | not really | Oct 19 00:02 |
| trmanco | it's just a joke :-P | Oct 19 00:02 |
| schestowitz | I know. | Oct 19 00:02 |
| trmanco | maybe it's a shem4l3 | Oct 19 00:02 |
| schestowitz | But others had the same enigma | Oct 19 00:02 |
| schestowitz | Not just bots | Oct 19 00:02 |
| schestowitz | Androids and programs | Oct 19 00:02 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes computer names | Oct 19 00:02 |
| schestowitz | "Lisa" | Oct 19 00:02 |
| oiaohm | http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10375216-1.html Ok some robots are down right wiered. | Oct 19 00:03 |
| phIRCe | Title: iRobot's oozy ChemBot amazes and terrifies | Crave - CNET .::. Size~: 106.59 KB | Oct 19 00:03 |
| schestowitz | This one is a droid | Oct 19 00:04 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: it's like it emulates becteria | Oct 19 00:06 |
| schestowitz | !google cosmos youtube floaters sinkers | Oct 19 00:06 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Posthuman Blues: Sinkers, floaters and hunters | http://posthumanblues.blogspot.com/2009/02/sinkers-floaters-and-hunters.html | Oct 19 00:06 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Posthuman Blues: "Supernatural Investigator" trailer on YouTube | http://posthumanblues.blogspot.com/2009/02/supernatural-investigator-trailer-on.html | Oct 19 00:06 |
| phIRCe | [3] - YouTube - Carl Sagan's Cosmos: Life on Jupiter | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DuakLB7Eni2E | Oct 19 00:06 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Alien 'Monsters' In Space! Or Are They Terrestrial Biological ... | http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread335493/pg1 | Oct 19 00:06 |
| oiaohm | I could see the evil uses for it schestowitz many of them work there way into cracks in wall and expand. | Oct 19 00:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/17/imdb-turns-19-yes-19-older-than-the-web-browser/ | Oct 19 00:08 |
| phIRCe | Title: IMDb Turns 19. Yes, 19. Older Than The Web Browser. .::. Size~: 98.63 KB | Oct 19 00:08 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: or bodies? | Oct 19 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Colt rifles also are build with the bullets such that the bullet revolves when shot (helix). | Oct 19 00:09 |
| oiaohm | I was trying to be nice and not put that picture in everyones mind schestowitz | Oct 19 00:09 |
| schestowitz | It means the bullet goes all over the victim's body and it hard to pull out of the rib cage or whatever | Oct 19 00:10 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, I know | Oct 19 00:10 |
| schestowitz | http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/10/cairo-dock-210-released-opengl-mode-now.html | Oct 19 00:13 |
| phIRCe | Title: Cairo-Dock 2.1.0 Released, OpenGL Mode Now Works With The Latest OpenSource ATI And Intel Drivers ~ Web Upd8 .::. Size~: 153.94 KB | Oct 19 00:13 |
| oiaohm | Colt bullets are not quite as bad as metal storm maul. Spining explosive round. | Oct 19 00:13 |
| schestowitz | I see it's a DARPA project too. Not a pleasant picture | Oct 19 00:13 |
| schestowitz | !google metal storm maul | Oct 19 00:13 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Metal Storm - MAUL | http://www.metalstorm.com/content/view/83/167/ | Oct 19 00:13 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Metal Storm MAUL 12 guage launcher | The Firearm Blog | http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/10/21/metal-storm-maul-12-guage-launcher/ | Oct 19 00:13 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Metal Storm completes first shoulder firing of MAUL shotgun | http://www.gizmag.com/metal-storm-completes-first-shoulder-firing-of-maul-shotgun/11584/ | Oct 19 00:13 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Metal Storm Reports 3GL, MAUL Testing Milestones. 3GL Production ... | http://defense-update.com/products/digits/3gl_170409.html | Oct 19 00:13 |
| schestowitz | "MAUL™ is a lightweight, modular, 12 gauge, 5 shot, semi automatic shotgun for both military and law enforcement users. It has been designed to deliver shotgun capabilities for non-lethal and lethal munitions. All this capability weighs in at only 1.8 lb making it one of the lightest semi-automatic, 12 gauge weapons ever developed for its purpose. MAUL™ can fire 5 rounds as fast as the user can pull the trigger, and can be | Oct 19 00:14 |
| schestowitz | rapidly reloaded in one smooth movement by inserting another 5 round munition tube into the receiver." | Oct 19 00:14 |
| schestowitz | INNOVA~1 | Oct 19 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Industrial Complex style. | Oct 19 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Making effective way to kill "Bad Guys"{TM} | Oct 19 00:15 |
| schestowitz | How to replace Windows with Kubuntu - part I < http://www.linuxsolutions.fr/how-to-replace-windows-with-kubuntu-part-i/ > | Oct 19 00:16 |
| phIRCe | Title: How to replace Windows with Kubuntu - part I | Linux Solutions .::. Size~: 34.73 KB | Oct 19 00:16 |
| schestowitz | ^good for the bookmark in case someone aks | Oct 19 00:16 |
| oiaohm | 3GL is its bigger releation schestowitz | Oct 19 00:17 |
| oiaohm | 3GL is the means to fire 3 40 mm shells as fast as you can pull the trigger. | Oct 19 00:17 |
| schestowitz | http://s.pangonilo.com/index.php/2009/10/linux-and-windows-7-dual-boot.html | Oct 19 00:17 |
| phIRCe | Title: Linux and Windows 7 Dual Boot Ver Pangonilo - Filipino Engineer .::. Size~: 40.66 KB | Oct 19 00:17 |
| trmanco | !google INNOVA~1 | Oct 19 00:18 |
| phIRCe | [1] - INNOVA Champion - #1 in Disc Golf | http://www.innovadiscs.com/ | Oct 19 00:18 |
| phIRCe | [2] - INNOVA Champion: #1 in Disc Golf | http://www.innovadiscs.com/tips/davesgripsmain.html | Oct 19 00:18 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Atlanta based full service video production company - Innova One ... | http://www.innovaoneproductions.com/ | Oct 19 00:18 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Innova One Productions, LLC - Company Profile on LinkedIn | http://www.linkedin.com/companies/innova-one-productions-llc | Oct 19 00:18 |
| trmanco | LOL | Oct 19 00:18 |
| trmanco | golf? | Oct 19 00:18 |
| trmanco | haha | Oct 19 00:18 |
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| oiaohm | Soliders gues are get more dangous. | Oct 19 00:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hello everyone | Oct 19 00:20 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: like some rifles in Max Payne | Oct 19 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Hey, Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 19 00:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I run across this article http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=a_A5nqmw9Dq8 what this means is according to the author is USA economy maybe getting worse. It also spells bad news for MS as its their best market | Oct 19 00:22 |
| phIRCe | Title: Dollar to Hit 50 Yen, Cease as Reserve, Sumitomo Says (Update1) - Bloomberg.com .::. Size~: 28.05 KB | Oct 19 00:22 |
| oiaohm | Most scary thing are the Redback Weapon systems. Aquire and fire once every 1.2 seconds with a 40 mm shell at least. You hope it only sends one. So auto turrent are already here. | Oct 19 00:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hello Roy, that article could be of some use, as the MS quarter is about to come out | Oct 19 00:23 |
| schestowitz | http://linuxgeeksunited.blogspot.com/2009/10/practical-pdf-ing-in-linux.html | Oct 19 00:23 |
| phIRCe | Title: Polar Bears and Penguins: Practical PDF-ing in Linux .::. Size~: 82.85 KB | Oct 19 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yes, I have a post about it 2morrow morn | Oct 19 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is basically admitting bad results to come | Oct 19 00:23 |
| schestowitz | ballmer ever | Oct 19 00:23 |
| schestowitz | That's why they release V7 HOURS apart | Oct 19 00:24 |
| trmanco | !quit phIRCe | Oct 19 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | I dislike Schmidt for suggesting "The worse is behind" | Oct 19 00:24 |
| trmanco | well, gn everyone | Oct 19 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Earlier today I saw some GS drek where they cite him | Oct 19 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Like, "look! Google says it's improving" | Oct 19 00:24 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK, many impending foreclosures remain | Oct 19 00:25 |
| schestowitz | So WHOSE worst time is behind? | Oct 19 00:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | quote: “The U.S. economy will deteriorate into 2011 as the effects of excess consumption and the financial bubble linger,” said Daisuke Uno at Sumitomo Mitsui, a unit of Japan’s third- biggest bank. | Oct 19 00:25 |
| schestowitz | They speak for their own shareholders | Oct 19 00:25 |
| schestowitz | And to create confidence in them.. the "too big to fail" slogan | Oct 19 00:25 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK, Jobs are still being massively cut each month | Oct 19 00:25 |
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| schestowitz | DESPITE population growth and immigration | Oct 19 00:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Things are very bad here in Nevada these days | Oct 19 00:26 |
| schestowitz | "excess consumption" | Oct 19 00:26 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Oct 19 00:26 |
| schestowitz | Wonder how *that* could happen | Oct 19 00:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its the gov that is doing comsumption | Oct 19 00:26 |
| schestowitz | Maybe some people to whom maximisation -- however irrational of this -- will meet short-term goals | Oct 19 00:27 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: there's production too | Oct 19 00:27 |
| schestowitz | Mostly weapon and "IP" | Oct 19 00:27 |
| schestowitz | Arms export | Oct 19 00:27 |
| schestowitz | Food import | Oct 19 00:27 |
| schestowitz | Export of 'intellectual' property | Oct 19 00:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | USA is still a major food exporter | Oct 19 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Import of the products of wage slavery | Oct 19 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: what proportion does that account for, $$$-wise? | Oct 19 00:28 |
| schestowitz | I reckon not much | Oct 19 00:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | no idea | Oct 19 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Who can the US export to? | Oct 19 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Atlantic is vast | Oct 19 00:29 |
| schestowitz | So high transportation cost | Oct 19 00:29 |
| schestowitz | I doubt the US exports food to Mexico | Oct 19 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Mexico mostly has farming (and Mono dude) | Oct 19 00:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the problem is, most countries that need the food, cannot afford it. So it comes as foriegn aid sometimes when it does | Oct 19 00:29 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Remember the Russian grain deals long ago | Oct 19 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: it's inefficient to pass food by boat | Oct 19 00:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | better than starving | Oct 19 00:30 |
| oiaohm | Australia export to the USA. | Oct 19 00:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | beef | Oct 19 00:30 |
| CAwesome | chicken | Oct 19 00:30 |
| oiaohm | All meats and some grains. | Oct 19 00:31 |
| oiaohm | We really don't know why. | Oct 19 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | Weird | Oct 19 00:31 |
| oiaohm | Some of the USA popluation must not trust there home grown. | Oct 19 00:31 |
| schestowitz | There's no assemble costs | Oct 19 00:31 |
| schestowitz | You could breed locally | Oct 19 00:32 |
| schestowitz | Both flora and fauna | Oct 19 00:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | taxes were getting crazy here for awhile | Oct 19 00:32 |
| oiaohm | Might you the richest item sent is salt water croc meat. | Oct 19 00:32 |
| schestowitz | Here in the UK there's possible banning to come of import of food by _AIRPLANES_ | Oct 19 00:32 |
| oiaohm | That stuffs sea food schestowitz | Oct 19 00:32 |
| schestowitz | SOmetimes fruit | Oct 19 00:33 |
| oiaohm | Airplanes about the only way you can move it fast enough. | Oct 19 00:33 |
| oiaohm | Fruit we can deal with. | Oct 19 00:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Clinton's term passed the so call 'death tax' that caused many small farmers to not be able to pass on their farms to sons | Oct 19 00:33 |
| schestowitz | What a waste | Oct 19 00:33 |
| schestowitz | Fossil fuel to move biology around | Oct 19 00:33 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | killing the small farmer is what the soviets did | Oct 19 00:34 |
| oiaohm | We would not have a issue getting it to england from australia if we sorted out cold storeage. | Oct 19 00:34 |
| oiaohm | Most fruit from australia you get in england is over 2 years old. | Oct 19 00:34 |
| schestowitz | We never see that, I guess. I never do anyway | Oct 19 00:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | one of the very few good things that was done during Bush2 was the temporary repealing of the death tax | Oct 19 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Spain is common | Oct 19 00:34 |
| schestowitz | http://gizmodo.com/5383982/how-to-virtualize-any-os-for-free | Oct 19 00:35 |
| oiaohm | Trains are faster than boats. | Oct 19 00:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Fresh produce here comes from central and south america when out of season here | Oct 19 00:35 |
| oiaohm | Max time you can have fruit in cold storage is 3 years. | Oct 19 00:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | playing with qemu again on other computer right now | Oct 19 00:37 |
| oiaohm | Biggest problem has been all the wars. | Oct 19 00:37 |
| oiaohm | That a train line could not be built along the old silk road. | Oct 19 00:37 |
| schestowitz | http://icewalkerz.blogspot.com/2009/10/howto-get-cleartype-like-smooth-fonts.html | Oct 19 00:37 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: cold storage takes energy too | Oct 19 00:38 |
| schestowitz | Thus expensive in many ways | Oct 19 00:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | China wants that rail line there | Oct 19 00:38 |
| schestowitz | Better to pass apples from Spain to Liverpool or whatever without harming freashness | Oct 19 00:39 |
| schestowitz | *freshness | Oct 19 00:39 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: also, worth is meat is much higher than of food, so economics vary a lot | Oct 19 00:39 |
| schestowitz | It's like 1:10 volume-wise | Oct 19 00:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | How about the rail project that is discussed connecting Spain with Morroco? | Oct 19 00:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | tunnel | Oct 19 00:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | build rail line to sub sarhara Africa for produce | Oct 19 00:40 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.suseblog.com/linux-socks-proxy-in-one-command < useful | Oct 19 00:40 |
| oiaohm | Cold storage would not have to be used if people would happly eat canned food. | Oct 19 00:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its not as good for you | Oct 19 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Most of mine is canned | Oct 19 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Preservatives and all | Oct 19 00:41 |
| oiaohm | Thinking that canned the break down of neturents stop at canning. | Oct 19 00:41 |
| oiaohm | Proper canning does not require Preservatives | Oct 19 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Same with refrigeration thoug | Oct 19 00:42 |
| oiaohm | No items break down in refrigeration. | Oct 19 00:42 |
| schestowitz | If you freeze a carrot, you alter its composition | Oct 19 00:42 |
| schestowitz | That's why it tastes different when it thaws | Oct 19 00:42 |
| oiaohm | freeze carrot it is still breaking down. | Oct 19 00:42 |
| oiaohm | It will be bad in about 13 years. | Oct 19 00:42 |
| oiaohm | Freese only slowest down batteria not kills them. | Oct 19 00:43 |
| oiaohm | Canning process done right kills the suckers. | Oct 19 00:43 |
| oiaohm | Nothing live to eat or alter stuff don't break down fast. | Oct 19 00:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | M$ is going try to use the timing (holiday seasons) with its release of Vista7 to show a bump in sales | Oct 19 00:44 |
| oiaohm | Reason why some canned foods have shelf life over over 50 years. | Oct 19 00:44 |
| oiaohm | With no preservitives. | Oct 19 00:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but this could be a really bad xmas season here | Oct 19 00:44 |
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| oiaohm | Chips_B_Malroy: there was a study here done between fresh canned and frozzen. | Oct 19 00:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | frozen > canned | Oct 19 00:45 |
| oiaohm | Shock horror to most people the canned won. | Oct 19 00:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: depends | Oct 19 00:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | canned works well for some foods | Oct 19 00:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | frozen works well for some more | Oct 19 00:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | fresh works best for whatevers left | Oct 19 00:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | canned in glass I would trust more than metal canned after awhile | Oct 19 00:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | Chips_B_Malroy: depends | Oct 19 00:45 |
| oiaohm | fresh by the time people got them had broken down more than what the canning process did. | Oct 19 00:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | on what metal is used and coated with | Oct 19 00:46 |
| oiaohm | And that was only 4 months delay. | Oct 19 00:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: yes and no | Oct 19 00:46 |
| oiaohm | What is quite good really when shipping items. | Oct 19 00:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | if its _fresh_ you didnt get it from a store | Oct 19 00:47 |
| oiaohm | If you grow it your self or buy from local. | Oct 19 00:47 |
| oiaohm | I was refering to fresh in store. | Oct 19 00:47 |
| oiaohm | Its not that fresh. | Oct 19 00:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, its not | Oct 19 00:48 |
| oiaohm | Chips_B_Malroy: it depends on the item some have to be done in glass some have to be done in metal. | Oct 19 00:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it shouldnt be called fresh | Oct 19 00:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | but yeah | Oct 19 00:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | some shit works well fresh | Oct 19 00:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | some works well frozen | Oct 19 00:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | some works well dried | Oct 19 00:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | some works well in glass, in metal, whatever | Oct 19 00:48 |
| oiaohm | dried and canned are the most stable. | Oct 19 00:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] 70% oppose internet ban for filesharers, poll shows | Technology | The Guardian http://tinyurl.com/ylo2qom | Oct 19 00:49 | |
| Diablo-D3 | it depends entirely on what it is | Oct 19 00:49 |
| oiaohm | Long time storage Diablo-D3 | Oct 19 00:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | long time storage doesnt work | Oct 19 00:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | it ruins foods, just in different ways | Oct 19 00:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | beware of highly acidic foods canned in metal without coating. Example tomatoe products. They eat and leech the metal. I have seen tomatoe paste and sauce can explode that were out of date a bit | Oct 19 00:50 |
| oiaohm | Canned and dried have long time before they ruin. | Oct 19 00:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | Chips_B_Malroy: heh | Oct 19 00:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont like having acidic shit outside of glass | Oct 19 00:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Oct 19 00:50 |
| oiaohm | Chips_B_Malroy: tomatoe products should not be in cans. | Oct 19 00:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | true | Oct 19 00:50 |
| oiaohm | The highly base ones should not be in glass. | Oct 19 00:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | and I get my orange juice in plastic | Oct 19 00:51 |
| oiaohm | Basically wrong one in the wrong one eat there way out. | Oct 19 00:51 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: and that is bad. | Oct 19 00:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: nope | Oct 19 00:51 |
| oiaohm | orange juice leachs the commponds left over from the plastic making out. | Oct 19 00:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes and no | Oct 19 00:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats largely bullshit | Oct 19 00:52 |
| oiaohm | Out of all liquids you can put in plastic. Orange juice will pull the most. | Oct 19 00:52 |
| oiaohm | The issue is caused by something too. Not wanting to risk tainting of taste to clean the plastic after shaping. | Oct 19 00:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] This must be what they mean by "hyperlocal media." http://crapwalthamforest.blogspot.com/ #e17 | Oct 19 00:54 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but here you can still buy all sorts of acidic food products in metal cans | Oct 19 00:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | some not coated even | Oct 19 00:54 |
| oiaohm | Main reason for metal and lined they live threw shipping better than glass. | Oct 19 00:54 |
| oiaohm | Depends on metal Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 19 00:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: problem is, though, I drink real orange juice | Oct 19 00:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | not made from concentrate | Oct 19 00:55 |
| oiaohm | I was talking about real Diablo-D3 | Oct 19 00:55 |
| schestowitz | concentrate is sometimes sugars+acids | Oct 19 00:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, most "real" is made from concentrate | Oct 19 00:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | its disgusting | Oct 19 00:55 |
| schestowitz | Even the sugar is artificially made | Oct 19 00:55 |
| schestowitz | And maybe toxic | Oct 19 00:55 |
| oiaohm | The rip out chemical is destroyed by the concentrate process. | Oct 19 00:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | now, they _could_ put it in plastic | Oct 19 00:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | er | Oct 19 00:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | in glass | Oct 19 00:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | but they dont | Oct 19 00:56 |
| oiaohm | The chemical that really rips the left over out of plastics is hard to get. | Oct 19 00:56 |
| oiaohm | It want to turn into a vapor ahead of water. | Oct 19 00:57 |
| oiaohm | But only just ahead of water. | Oct 19 00:57 |
| oiaohm | Some highly acid stuff I have handled has to be stored in stainless. The stuff is evil it eats glass and concret. Scary thinking it lemon flavouring. | Oct 19 00:59 |
| schestowitz | OK, I'm gonna post some news in a moment | Oct 19 01:15 |
| schestowitz | I'll keep all the posts aside until Monday (sorry, Australia.. oiaohm) | Oct 19 01:15 |
| oiaohm | It is monday. | Oct 19 01:16 |
| schestowitz | Here too | Oct 19 01:16 |
| schestowitz | But night | Oct 19 01:16 |
| schestowitz | I got caught up in lag | Oct 19 01:17 |
| schestowitz | Going to sleep at 5am | Oct 19 01:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=auEbCSyVRaxY | Oct 19 01:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Fed Officials Question Expansion’s Durability, Discuss More Aid | Oct 19 01:22 |
| schestowitz | I guess I need to worry more about the local economy | Oct 19 01:31 |
| schestowitz | The northwest here is in shambles too | Oct 19 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Among the worst in Britland | Oct 19 01:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Has Impressive Numbers to Show Growth http://bit.ly/4thLKG | Oct 19 01:36 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Grows in the Developing World http://bit.ly/2F5ZoX | Oct 19 01:37 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Eeebuntu Details Plan for #Subnotebooks http://bit.ly/6fWpc #gnu #linux | Oct 19 01:38 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Developer Rejects #MacOSX on a #Mac and Moves to #KDE http://bit.ly/kGGkh #gnu #freedom | Oct 19 01:40 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 Heralds Bad #Microsoft Financial Results, Time to Move to #Linux (Too Big to Fail) http://ur1.ca/dw4h | Oct 19 01:41 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #PenguinComputing Update on #GNU #Linux #Servers http://bit.ly/PIr1C | Oct 19 01:46 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Archlinux Gets the Thumbsup http://bit.ly/230L7F | Oct 19 01:48 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu 9.10 Reviewed, Promoted, Seen as Ready Already http://ur1.ca/dw5c http://ur1.ca/dw5e http://ur1.ca/dw5i | Oct 19 01:52 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Phones Come in Large Numbers, Extinguishing #WindowsMobile http://ur1.ca/dw5r http://ur1.ca/dw5s | Oct 19 01:52 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux -powered #Palm #Pre Receives Good Review from Early Adopter http://ur1.ca/dw5z | Oct 19 01:57 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Customisation, Upgradeability and Other Factors As Linux Advantages http://ur1.ca/dw65 http://ur1.ca/dw66 | Oct 19 01:59 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free/Libre #CMS Software Compared http://ur1.ca/dw6b http://ur1.ca/dw6d | Oct 19 02:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Trust the SEC. Really. http://ur1.ca/dw6l http://ur1.ca/dw6m | Oct 19 02:06 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Government Tries to Get It with #FreeSoftware , #Transparency http://ur1.ca/dw71 http://ur1.ca/dw72 | Oct 19 02:15 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Attacks on Internet #Neutrality http://ur1.ca/dw75 #NetNeutrality http://ur1.ca/dw76 http://ur1.ca/dw77 | Oct 19 02:16 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSpeech Under Attack Due to #Law http://ur1.ca/dw7a http://ur1.ca/dw7b http://ur1.ca/dw7c | Oct 19 02:18 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies Attack #Rights and #Choice Again http://ur1.ca/dw7e http://ur1.ca/dw7f http://ur1.ca/dw7g http://ur1.ca/dmh3 | Oct 19 02:20 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Son of a #Sarko to Meet #SteveBallmer http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6879420.ece #crony #bananarepublic | Oct 19 02:29 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Uses Its Favourite #Shill #IDC for Political Goals http://ur1.ca/dw7q http://ur1.ca/dw7s | Oct 19 02:31 | |
| TheMadHatter | Roy, good link for you | Oct 19 02:31 |
| TheMadHatter | http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=opencl-smooths-supercomputing | Oct 19 02:31 |
| TheMadHatter | New Software Could Smooth Supercomputing Speed Bumps | Oct 19 02:31 |
| *shreddar hears an echo in the vast emptiness of the channel. | Oct 19 02:32 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #ClassAction Lawsuit Against #Microsoft http://bit.ly/5ct15 | Oct 19 02:34 | |
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| schestowitz | Hey, TheMadHatter | Oct 19 02:34 |
| schestowitz | what's in the link? | Oct 19 02:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #WindowsMobile Loses Partners, #Linux Gains http://ur1.ca/dw82 | Oct 19 02:35 | |
| schestowitz | shreddar: Sunday night | Oct 19 02:35 |
| shreddar | Oh | Oct 19 02:35 |
| *shreddar reading about OpenCL | Oct 19 02:35 | |
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| TheMadHatter | Article about OpenCL programming language for GPU use in computing. | Oct 19 02:41 |
| TheMadHatter | Scientific American is generally pretty accurate. | Oct 19 02:43 |
| TheMadHatter | It's one of my favorite magazines. | Oct 19 02:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Firefox Flags Microsoft-shoved Malware and Blocks It http://ur1.ca/dw8j http://ur1.ca/dw8k http://ur1.ca/dw8l http://ur1.ca/dw8m | Oct 19 02:47 | |
| TheMadHatter | Hilarious - you've got to read the whole thing. Microsoft's addons were reported as a bug, and when you read the comments in the bug report you'd better not be drinking anything. | Oct 19 02:49 |
| TheMadHatter | Also new on ARM - ARM to launch A5 core next week | Oct 19 02:49 |
| TheMadHatter | http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/10/15/arm-launch-a5-core-next-week/ | Oct 19 02:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Whoops #Microsoft 's Behind http://ur1.ca/dw8u http://ur1.ca/dw8v http://ur1.ca/dw8x http://ur1.ca/dw8y | Oct 19 02:50 | |
| TheMadHatter | And news on Intel and TSMC - Intel gives TSMC process tech | Oct 19 02:50 |
| TheMadHatter | http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/10/15/intel-gives-tsmc-process-tech/ | Oct 19 02:50 |
| shreddar | OpenCL sounds cool. It sounds like it could help software makers with making high end cross platform apps. | Oct 19 02:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Xbox360 is Rented, Not Owned: Proof http://ur1.ca/dw95 #defectivebydesign | Oct 19 02:53 | |
| TheMadHatter | Yeah, I think OpenCL will be big. Linux, BSD, and Apple will be the winners with it (Microsoft takes too long to deliver) | Oct 19 02:54 |
| TheMadHatter | Anyway - the Intel-TSMC thing could rescue NVidia. | Oct 19 02:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #AP Gives #Vista7 Unimpressive Marks http://bit.ly/11blHM | Oct 19 03:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft CEO Gives More Signs That Financial Results Will Suck (Same Day as #Vista7 Release) http://ur1.ca/dw9s | Oct 19 03:03 | |
| shreddar | Man that .Net Firefox thing makes MS such a hypocrite. | Oct 19 03:03 |
| shreddar | Of course being a hypocrite is really like there nicest characteristic. | Oct 19 03:04 |
| shreddar | I can't believe they still haven't release a update or something to fix it. | Oct 19 03:05 |
| TheMadHatter | OK - got it. Read this and laugh: | Oct 19 03:06 |
| TheMadHatter | Bug 522777 - Blocklist "Windows Presentation Foundation" plugin (installed automatically via .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 update) | Oct 19 03:06 |
| TheMadHatter | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=522777 | Oct 19 03:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Buys TV Shows to Advertise #Vista7 http://ur1.ca/dwa2 | Oct 19 03:07 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Puts #Vista7 Booster Accounts in #Twitter http://ur1.ca/dwa4 | Oct 19 03:08 | |
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| TheMadHatter | Yeah, what else is new. Too many companies are doing that sort of crap. It's too bad that the FTC isn't willing to take action. | Oct 19 03:10 |
| TheMadHatter | Microsoft Helps - is the 21st century version of askbill@microsoft.com | Oct 19 03:11 |
| shreddar | I keep wondering why Intel keeps using x86 architecture for their mobile CPU's when they have the resources to come up with a new better one. | Oct 19 03:16 |
| shreddar | I mean it's not like it's helping them to keep it around. | Oct 19 03:16 |
| TheMadHatter | Intel used to license the ARM architechture, but they sold it off, possibly like Microsloth, they are dogfodding. | Oct 19 03:17 |
| TheMadHatter | er dogfooding. | Oct 19 03:17 |
| ThistleWeb | when you have all the retail channels covered to only sell your OS, and limit customers knowledge of OS's to yours, it seems like a statement of failure when you have to spend a fortune on advertising something peeps think is a default | Oct 19 03:23 |
| TheMadHatter | Hey, this is neat. Some poor guy posted in the Washington Post Security fix article calling for a Computer Owners Bill of Rights. I pointed out that for advocating such a radical thing that Chairman Bill will declare him a commie. | Oct 19 03:25 |
| ThistleWeb | we already have that, it's called the GPL | Oct 19 03:26 |
| shreddar | Yeah, and it should apply to consumer electronic devices, also. | Oct 19 03:27 |
| shreddar | Like, audio players, ebook readers and video game systems, TVs, DVRs etc. | Oct 19 03:29 |
| shreddar | Computers/Electronics shall not delete modify restrict the use of file store on said devices. | Oct 19 03:33 |
| shreddar | I mean: Computers/Electronics shall not delete, modify or restrict the use of files stored on said devices. | Oct 19 03:35 |
| schestowitz | Just watched http://www.storyofstuff.com/ | Oct 19 03:38 |
| schestowitz | It's excellent | Oct 19 03:38 |
| TheMadHatter | Yes, Story of Stuff is pretty neat. | Oct 19 03:45 |
| TheMadHatter | As to the GPL - how would you make it apply to Microsloth? | Oct 19 03:46 |
| TheMadHatter | Since you can't, legislation would be required to implement a real Computer Owners Bill of Rights. Don't forget, in addition to Microsloth, Apple, Dell, HP, Lenovo, Acer, etc. wouldn't like it. | Oct 19 03:47 |
| shreddar | I just read that thing about the Family Guy Windows 7 commercials. I'm a little horrified. | Oct 19 03:47 |
| shreddar | "Nobody's Gonna Lay a Finger on My [Windows 7 Installation]"? | Oct 19 03:51 |
| TheMadHatter | I think it's time to get back into songwriting. Remember Microsloth, that your name is silly and it rhymes with Greensleeves. | Oct 19 03:53 |
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| TheMadHatter | Gotta run. My puppies need their nightly walk. | Oct 19 04:08 |
| TheMadHatter | See you. | Oct 19 04:08 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Yet another BBC slog for Microsoft, shameful really. http://tinyurl.com/yg372o3 | Oct 19 05:25 | |
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| Ender2070 | Schlesinger | Oct 19 05:32 |
| Ender2070 | Paranoid | Oct 19 05:32 |
| Ender2070 | haha i got you to read this | Oct 19 05:32 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] I just voted for http://pic.gd/d6bda5 Check it out! #TweetPhoto | Oct 19 06:31 | |
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| jar | Jono Bacon really seemed to miss the point by a mile and a half. | Oct 19 06:42 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Oct 19 06:42 |
| Ender2070 | i consider any program with "Leo" to be M$ sponsored | Oct 19 06:42 |
| Ender2070 | or have some involvement | Oct 19 06:43 |
| jar | I respect Leo greatly. | Oct 19 06:43 |
| jar | But Jono, however.. | Oct 19 06:43 |
| jar | He seemed to try to discredit the project 100% | Oct 19 06:43 |
| Ender2070 | i used to see leo on techtv in canada all the time pushing ms stuff | Oct 19 06:43 |
| Ender2070 | he either works for them, or loves them off | Oct 19 06:43 |
| jar | That was his employer. | Oct 19 06:43 |
| jar | Not him. | Oct 19 06:43 |
| Twisted_Mentat | And what would the point be? I listened carefully but beyond "Microsoft is bad" I didn't see any point. | Oct 19 06:43 |
| jar | Leo is more of a Mac guy, actually. | Oct 19 06:43 |
| Ender2070 | not much better | Oct 19 06:44 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Oct 19 06:44 |
| jar | Twisted_Mentat, Jono made the common mistake of confusing causation with correlation. | Oct 19 06:44 |
| jar | That's like blaming the bible for the gung-ho crazies beating down people's doors at 7am | Oct 19 06:45 |
| jar | The source material isn't making people do anything | Oct 19 06:45 |
| jar | "They're spamming YOUR content so YOU should take the blame!" | Oct 19 06:45 |
| jar | Also, Jono doesn't seem to understand that progress is not always equal. | Oct 19 06:46 |
| Twisted_Mentat | I'd agree that there was a miscommunication there. | Oct 19 06:46 |
| jar | Growth without check leads to a boom. | Oct 19 06:46 |
| jar | A bubble. | Oct 19 06:46 |
| jar | You can't just accept a ton of bad shit just because a bone is thrown every few months. | Oct 19 06:46 |
| jar | Jono kept trying to suggest because Aaron Bockover throws the community a bone with Banshee that Novell's business practices should be ignored? | Oct 19 06:47 |
| jar | Jono himself makes money on Novell's products, despite them being his direct competitor. | Oct 19 06:47 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Oct 19 06:47 |
| jar | If he had TRUE journalistic integrity he would've stepped down from that interview. | Oct 19 06:47 |
| jar | But hey, he IS Jono Bacon. | Oct 19 06:47 |
| Ender2070 | not only that but banshee isn't covered by MCP | Oct 19 06:48 |
| Twisted_Mentat | well it isn't like Jono was hiding the fact he works for Canonical | Oct 19 06:49 |
| jar | If I were in that interview I would've brought up the fact that with the next version of Ubuntu they will be shipping UbuntuOne which integrates Tomboy, a C# and Novell app into their framework and will be making money from that. | Oct 19 06:49 |
| Twisted_Mentat | and all the regular listeners know that | Oct 19 06:49 |
| jar | Of course not. | Oct 19 06:49 |
| jar | But he sure as hell didn't want to make it known his paycheck is a trickle down from Microsoft. | Oct 19 06:49 |
| jar | Just saying. | Oct 19 06:49 |
| Twisted_Mentat | huh? | Oct 19 06:49 |
| Ender2070 | im not sure canonical's funds go to microsoft | Oct 19 06:50 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Oct 19 06:50 |
| Ender2070 | or either way | Oct 19 06:50 |
| jar | Their framework depends on Microsoft in the way of C# | Oct 19 06:50 |
| Ender2070 | theres no direct trail of money from M$ to Canonical | Oct 19 06:50 |
| jar | Oh? | Oct 19 06:50 |
| jar | C# -> Mono -> Tomboy -> Ubuntu One | Oct 19 06:50 |
| Ender2070 | canonical would make money off of all that | Oct 19 06:50 |
| jar | It's not all about a direct trail of money. | Oct 19 06:51 |
| Ender2070 | they might use C# and Tomboy | Oct 19 06:51 |
| Ender2070 | however | Oct 19 06:51 |
| jar | But the product relies 100% on the future of Microsoft and Novell. | Oct 19 06:51 |
| Ender2070 | people are paying canonical to store their data from those apps | Oct 19 06:51 |
| jar | Which is them making money from Novell and Microsoft | Oct 19 06:51 |
| Ender2070 | i hate mono a lot, but i wouldn't go that far | Oct 19 06:51 |
| jar | Hence Jono could not remain unbias. | Oct 19 06:51 |
| Ender2070 | if i released a distro with C#, im not taking a paycheque from M$ | Oct 19 06:52 |
| jar | You're furthering an interest. | Oct 19 06:52 |
| Twisted_Mentat | That's like saying a scientist employed by a research company shouldn't talk about anything to do with science | Oct 19 06:52 |
| jar | Especially with GNote being there. | Oct 19 06:52 |
| Ender2070 | thats the only thing i agree on | Oct 19 06:52 |
| Twisted_Mentat | even if it isn't their field | Oct 19 06:52 |
| jar | Twisted_Mentat, Depends on the application of your research and who owns it. | Oct 19 06:52 |
| Ender2070 | im promoting its use by spreading it if I include it in my distro | Oct 19 06:52 |
| jar | Ender2070, I'm talking about interests, not money. | Oct 19 06:53 |
| jar | The fact he's making money, even indirectly from Microsoft's products makes him bias. | Oct 19 06:53 |
| jar | He has a company to represent. | Oct 19 06:53 |
| Ender2070 | im just saying that because his company bundles mono doesn't mean he knows about all of that stuff | Oct 19 06:53 |
| jar | And their interests. | Oct 19 06:53 |
| jar | Ender2070, That hasn't stopped him from making asinine comments in the past. | Oct 19 06:53 |
| jar | >_> | Oct 19 06:53 |
| Ender2070 | i dont think there is anything wrong with diverting funds from microsoft | Oct 19 06:54 |
| jar | But it's far from diverting it. | Oct 19 06:54 |
| jar | It's furthering it. | Oct 19 06:54 |
| Ender2070 | they aren't getting it, their direct competitor is | Oct 19 06:54 |
| jar | With the Novell deal. | Oct 19 06:54 |
| jar | They're NOT competitors. | Oct 19 06:54 |
| Ender2070 | Canonical is | Oct 19 06:54 |
| jar | That's fine, but that's like shipping Honda engines in Ford cars. | Oct 19 06:55 |
| jar | Even thought your competitor is "winning" | Oct 19 06:55 |
| jar | So are you | Oct 19 06:55 |
| jar | That's not even as far as the rabbit hole goes, sadly. | Oct 19 06:55 |
| jar | You then have to realize that Mono isn't just bad because of "DUR DUR MICROSOFT MADE IT" | Oct 19 06:56 |
| jar | I mean, it doesn't help. | Oct 19 06:56 |
| Ender2070 | that's why I don't like it | Oct 19 06:56 |
| jar | But it goes back to the fact a board dictates the spec and even though Mono is open source and they have their own shit | Oct 19 06:56 |
| jar | It's not like they decide what C# is | Oct 19 06:56 |
| jar | they just implement it | Oct 19 06:56 |
| Ender2070 | yeah i know about that | Oct 19 06:57 |
| jar | That's a little sad | Oct 19 06:57 |
| Ender2070 | im wondering how ubuntu plans to keep shipping a ecma-free mono if they include banshee | Oct 19 06:57 |
| Ender2070 | which uses those parts | Oct 19 06:57 |
| jar | Eh? | Oct 19 06:57 |
| jar | They | Oct 19 06:57 |
| jar | 've not been ECMA free for ages. | Oct 19 06:57 |
| jar | Tomboy has shipped for a long time. | Oct 19 06:57 |
| Ender2070 | as far as I know banshee includes ecma parts | Oct 19 06:57 |
| jar | Does Tomboy use a special mono package with all the "gory" bits removed? | Oct 19 06:58 |
| Ender2070 | I perhaps took Miguel too literally when he said many distro's are already shipping a safe mono | Oct 19 06:58 |
| jar | I've been dreading this day since 2003. | Oct 19 06:58 |
| jar | :/ | Oct 19 06:58 |
| Ender2070 | I recall reading blogs from pro mono people that said tomboy was safe | Oct 19 06:58 |
| Ender2070 | i was unaware it wasn't | Oct 19 06:59 |
| jar | Miguel has been pushing this agenda for YEARS and it all goes back to the fact he was denied work at Microsoft years ago and then decided to start Ximian. | Oct 19 06:59 |
| jar | Now he wants to buddy up to them. | Oct 19 06:59 |
| Ender2070 | he started the gnome foundation first | Oct 19 06:59 |
| Ender2070 | ximian was the commercial gnome | Oct 19 06:59 |
| jar | I said Ximian - not GNOME. | Oct 19 06:59 |
| Ender2070 | no he started gnome first then ximian | Oct 19 07:00 |
| jar | I know... | Oct 19 07:00 |
| Ender2070 | both were started by him | Oct 19 07:00 |
| jar | I never said GNOME | Oct 19 07:00 |
| jar | I said Ximian | Oct 19 07:00 |
| jar | <jar> Miguel has been pushing this agenda for YEARS and it all goes back to the fact he was denied work at Microsoft years ago and then decided to start Ximian. | Oct 19 07:00 |
| Ender2070 | i know | Oct 19 07:00 |
| jar | He was denied employment because he never went to university. | Oct 19 07:00 |
| Ender2070 | but thats chronologically incorrect as he started gnome after being denied at M$, and before starting ximian | Oct 19 07:01 |
| Ender2070 | yeah he dropped out of university | Oct 19 07:01 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Oct 19 07:01 |
| jar | In summer of 1997, he was interviewed by Microsoft for a job in the Internet Explorer Unix team (to work on a SPARC port), but lacked the university degree required to obtain a work H-1B visa. He declared in an interview that he tried to persuade his interviewers to free the IE code even before Netscape did with their own browser. | Oct 19 07:01 |
| jar | De Icaza started the GNOME project with Federico Mena in August 1997 to create a completely free desktop environment and component model for Linux and other Unix-like operating systems.[3] Earlier, De Icaza had worked on the Midnight Commander file manager and the Linux kernel. He also created the spreadsheet program Gnumeric. | Oct 19 07:01 |
| jar | Seemed to all happen at the same time.. | Oct 19 07:02 |
| jar | Seems to me Open Source was his plan b. | Oct 19 07:02 |
| jar | Take that was you will. | Oct 19 07:02 |
| Ender2070 | what did gnome 1.x have if you remember | Oct 19 07:02 |
| Ender2070 | sawfish, explorer clone | Oct 19 07:02 |
| jar | I didn't use GNOME until 1.4 | Oct 19 07:02 |
| jar | Ender2070, It used Enlightenment then | Oct 19 07:03 |
| Ender2070 | galeon, internet explorer clone | Oct 19 07:03 |
| jar | Sawfish came later | Oct 19 07:03 |
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| Ender2070 | gnome 2.x, introduced the registry | Oct 19 07:03 |
| Ender2070 | (unless it was sooner) | Oct 19 07:03 |
| jar | Miguel is FAR from the knight in shining armor people want to him to appear to be. | Oct 19 07:03 |
| jar | Nat is a cock too | Oct 19 07:03 |
| Ender2070 | i didn't use gnome at all till 2.x | Oct 19 07:04 |
| Ender2070 | I used KDE3 | Oct 19 07:04 |
| Ender2070 | and KDE2 | Oct 19 07:04 |
| Ender2070 | now im back with KDE, running 4.3 | Oct 19 07:04 |
| jar | I liked KDE 3.x | Oct 19 07:04 |
| jar | 4.x .. not so much | Oct 19 07:04 |
| Ender2070 | 4.2 to 4.3 has had much improvement | Oct 19 07:05 |
| Ender2070 | my first kde4 was 4.2 | Oct 19 07:05 |
| jar | I just don't like it very much. | Oct 19 07:05 |
| jar | I think Mandriva is a company that gets far too little respect. | Oct 19 07:05 |
| jar | :/ | Oct 19 07:05 |
| Ender2070 | i just decided one day to give it a bigger chance and decided to use it non stop for a week, now im used to it | Oct 19 07:06 |
| Ender2070 | Mandriva? lol | Oct 19 07:06 |
| jar | Mhmm. | Oct 19 07:06 |
| Ender2070 | better when they were Mandrake | Oct 19 07:06 |
| jar | Yeah, but they're a great company. | Oct 19 07:06 |
| jar | I respect the shit out of them. | Oct 19 07:06 |
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| Ender2070 | the CEO left | Oct 19 07:06 |
| jar | They were the first company to have a USABLE RPM system. | Oct 19 07:07 |
| jar | With a decent repo system and etc | Oct 19 07:07 |
| Ender2070 | SuSE :P | Oct 19 07:07 |
| jar | No, they did it before SuSE | Oct 19 07:07 |
| Ender2070 | do they have anything like apt get yet? | Oct 19 07:07 |
| Ender2070 | or yum install | Oct 19 07:08 |
| jar | They've had it for years. | Oct 19 07:08 |
| Ender2070 | what is it? | Oct 19 07:08 |
| jar | rpmdrake I think? | Oct 19 07:08 |
| jar | oh wait | Oct 19 07:08 |
| jar | that's the gui | Oct 19 07:08 |
| jar | urpmi | Oct 19 07:08 |
| jar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urpmi | Oct 19 07:08 |
| Ender2070 | hardly as nice as yum or apt | Oct 19 07:08 |
| Twisted_Mentat | <jar> Seemed to all happen at the same time.. | Oct 19 07:09 |
| Twisted_Mentat | <jar> Seems to me Open Source was his plan b. | Oct 19 07:09 |
| Twisted_Mentat | <jar> Take that was you will. | Oct 19 07:09 |
| Twisted_Mentat | looks like an Ad Hominan to me | Oct 19 07:09 |
| jar | Ender2070, It predates yum by a long shot. | Oct 19 07:09 |
| jar | Twisted_Mentat, <jar> Take that was you will. | Oct 19 07:09 |
| jar | I'm not pushing it as fact. | Oct 19 07:09 |
| jar | I don't know the man. | Oct 19 07:09 |
| Twisted_Mentat | uh. Yes you are. | Oct 19 07:09 |
| jar | I said. | Oct 19 07:09 |
| jar | SEEMS TO ME | Oct 19 07:09 |
| jar | TAKE THAT AS YOU WILL | Oct 19 07:09 |
| Ender2070 | "seems" isn't definitive | Oct 19 07:09 |
| Ender2070 | seems sounds like an opinion | Oct 19 07:10 |
| jar | Indeed. | Oct 19 07:10 |
| Twisted_Mentat | and my opinion is that it's an Ad Hominan | Oct 19 07:10 |
| jar | Good for you. | Oct 19 07:10 |
| Ender2070 | good for you | Oct 19 07:10 |
| jar | ;) | Oct 19 07:10 |
| Ender2070 | jinx | Oct 19 07:10 |
| jar | haha, yeah i know | Oct 19 07:10 |
| jar | I could be wrong about urpmi vs yum because Yellow Dog used yum for a long time. | Oct 19 07:11 |
| Ender2070 | i dunno | Oct 19 07:12 |
| jar | But it does feel like urpmi had been around longer with more features. | Oct 19 07:12 |
| Ender2070 | i just remember it wasn't as easy finding stuff for mandriva that they didn't do themselves | Oct 19 07:12 |
| jar | I won't claim absolute certainty though. | Oct 19 07:12 |
| jar | Ender2070, Really? I had a ton of repos back in like.. 2002 | Oct 19 07:12 |
| jar | :> | Oct 19 07:12 |
| Ender2070 | i bought mandriva powerpack in like 2007-2008 and they promised extras for those who purchased | Oct 19 07:12 |
| Ender2070 | the extras repo was always empty | Oct 19 07:13 |
| jar | I cannot comment on that as I've not used a Mandrake/Mandriva system in years. | Oct 19 07:13 |
| jar | And if that's true. | Oct 19 07:13 |
| jar | Shame on them. | Oct 19 07:13 |
| Ender2070 | it pissed me off | Oct 19 07:13 |
| jar | I can imagine. | Oct 19 07:13 |
| Ender2070 | cause i wanted to fund them due to their money issues | Oct 19 07:13 |
| jar | Sounds like the Microsoft thing w/ Vista Ultimate | Oct 19 07:13 |
| Ender2070 | ie chapter 11 bankrupcy | Oct 19 07:13 |
| jar | Yeah. | Oct 19 07:13 |
| jar | :( | Oct 19 07:13 |
| jar | That's weird. | Oct 19 07:13 |
| jar | I believe you, but that sounds so unlike them. | Oct 19 07:14 |
| Ender2070 | it came bundled with cedega for one version | Oct 19 07:14 |
| Ender2070 | then it was removed in the next .1 release for that year in question | Oct 19 07:14 |
| Ender2070 | but they claimed it was there | Oct 19 07:14 |
| *jar shakes his head | Oct 19 07:14 | |
| jar | :( | Oct 19 07:14 |
| jar | Hate to see something like that happen. | Oct 19 07:14 |
| Ender2070 | i know | Oct 19 07:14 |
| Ender2070 | and i hear they have an excellent kde distro | Oct 19 07:15 |
| Ender2070 | for the 4.x series | Oct 19 07:15 |
| jar | Yeah, that's why I eventually left. | Oct 19 07:15 |
| jar | I got more into GNOME around 2.4 | Oct 19 07:15 |
| Ender2070 | I used gentoo and ubuntu until more recently | Oct 19 07:15 |
| jar | I used CRUX forever | Oct 19 07:15 |
| jar | But now that I'm busy with university life | Oct 19 07:16 |
| jar | too much to manually compile packages | Oct 19 07:16 |
| Ender2070 | i switched to fedora to get away from mono | Oct 19 07:16 |
| jar | and maintain ports | Oct 19 07:16 |
| jar | Ender2070, doesn't fedora ship w/ mono now? | Oct 19 07:16 |
| Ender2070 | it does if you install the full distro from 5cd's or dvds | Oct 19 07:16 |
| Ender2070 | the livecd version does not have mono | Oct 19 07:16 |
| jar | ah | Oct 19 07:17 |
| Ender2070 | the full distro installs it if you choose everything | Oct 19 07:17 |
| Ender2070 | i dont think it does if u pick kde desktop | Oct 19 07:17 |
| jar | My mom's laptop runs Fedora w/ KDE from the live disk | Oct 19 07:17 |
| Ender2070 | i run fedora w/ kde on my system | Oct 19 07:17 |
| jar | I support Fedora's efforts mainly because they pay Alan Cox's salary | Oct 19 07:18 |
| jar | :D | Oct 19 07:18 |
| Ender2070 | hehe | Oct 19 07:18 |
| Ender2070 | he recently quit coding for the kernel didn't he? | Oct 19 07:18 |
| jar | I think he just quit some projects. | Oct 19 07:18 |
| jar | Or portions of it. | Oct 19 07:18 |
| jar | He used to have a 2.6 -ac patchset. | Oct 19 07:18 |
| jar | Which I used religiously | Oct 19 07:18 |
| Ender2070 | I like the new ck one | Oct 19 07:19 |
| jar | Isn't that the one with the fancy dancy scheduler? | Oct 19 07:19 |
| jar | oh jeez | Oct 19 07:19 |
| Ender2070 | yes | Oct 19 07:19 |
| jar | Sugar has a custom IRC client? | Oct 19 07:20 |
| jar | We shouldn't be encouraging kids to be IRC trolls. | Oct 19 07:20 |
| jar | D: | Oct 19 07:20 |
| Ender2070 | LOL | Oct 19 07:20 |
| jar | https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/3/33/Tours_Fedora11_048_Apps.png | Oct 19 07:20 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @wikileaks We expect to release, within 24h, a new membership list for the UK "whites only" nationalist party, the BNP. | Oct 19 07:21 | |
| jar | i wish i could detach xchat sessions like screen.. | Oct 19 07:21 |
| jar | I want to switch over to my netbook but I'm too lazy re-join with xchat there | Oct 19 07:22 |
| MinceR | including an IRC client equals to encouraging the users to be IRC trolls? | Oct 19 07:22 |
| jar | MinceR, Was a joke. | Oct 19 07:22 |
| jar | :P | Oct 19 07:23 |
| MinceR | oh. | Oct 19 07:23 |
| jar | hehe | Oct 19 07:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @petapixel Famous photos of a fetus developing in the womb: http://j.mp/tTWZv | Oct 19 07:24 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @picturecool More signs pointing to scientology being a cult http://bit.ly/3DW2Hs | Oct 19 07:34 | |
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| Hi, jono. | Oct 19 08:46 | |
| I saw where you called me a spammer. | Oct 19 08:46 | |
| Fuck you. | Oct 19 08:46 | |
| Ender2070 | i dont think he is paying attention | Oct 19 08:47 |
| ThistleWeb | either that or he don't care | Oct 19 08:47 |
| Ender2070 | thats possible too | Oct 19 08:48 |
| jono | twitter, I don't believe I referenced you directly by name | Oct 19 08:48 |
| ThistleWeb | it is interesting how you saw yourself in his words | Oct 19 08:48 |
| Ender2070 | twitter, you're on the enemies list too | Oct 19 08:48 |
| ThistleWeb | that in itself is telling | Oct 19 08:48 |
| I saw what was said. | Oct 19 08:48 | |
| jono | in fact, I deliberately didn't reference anyone | Oct 19 08:48 |
| Ender2070 | talking about the radio show? | Oct 19 08:48 |
| yeah, yeah, the 16 sockpuppet smear. | Oct 19 08:48 | |
| Ender2070 | LOL | Oct 19 08:49 |
| jono | twitter, it would be a smear if I had highlighted you by name, which I didnt | Oct 19 08:49 |
| it's enough that people knew what you were talking about. | Oct 19 08:49 | |
| ThistleWeb | jono also mentuion these were alegations | Oct 19 08:49 |
| Ender2070 | nobody mentions lefty's sock puppets, but nobody can count that high either | Oct 19 08:50 |
| and that you leveraged that bullshit | Oct 19 08:50 | |
| ThistleWeb | and offered roy a chance to respond | Oct 19 08:50 |
| jono | ThistleWeb, indeed | Oct 19 08:50 |
| ThistleWeb | there are peeps in here who do more harm than good | Oct 19 08:50 |
| jono | twitter, I merely said that there had been allegations of links between BC and spammers, and providing Roy with a means of responding | Oct 19 08:50 |
| jono | twitter, and I made it clear that I wasnt accusing anyone of anything | Oct 19 08:50 |
| Ender2070 | I believe Roy said he didn't have any involvement with the spammers | Oct 19 08:51 |
| jono | and that I was referring to some research I performed | Oct 19 08:51 |
| jono | Ender2070, indeed | Oct 19 08:51 |
| ThistleWeb | it'd be a US journo style interview if it was all pro-questions | Oct 19 08:51 |
| Ender2070 | it could've easily been a roy fanboy | Oct 19 08:51 |
| ThistleWeb | where each question is a setup for a sales pitch | Oct 19 08:51 |
| jono | ThistleWeb, exactly | Oct 19 08:51 |
| Let's talk about what's wrong with the Novell deal. | Oct 19 08:52 | |
| I think you missed it. | Oct 19 08:52 | |
| Ender2070 | twitter - might be a shorter discussion if you talk about whats "right" about it | Oct 19 08:52 |
| ThistleWeb | for the most part I think it was a reasonable interview, with jono playing devils advocate | Oct 19 08:52 |
| jono | twitter, as I said on air, I believe it was wrong | Oct 19 08:52 |
| Microsoft is using patents to lay claim to free software ownership. | Oct 19 08:52 | |
| jono | twitter, I said on air that like most people I believe that the deal was bad for free software | Oct 19 08:52 |
| How could you miss the big message here? | Oct 19 08:52 | |
| ThistleWeb | BN is a huge area though, so even if all the questions were written by twitter it still wouldn't be enough | Oct 19 08:53 |
| jono | twitter, what message did I miss? | Oct 19 08:53 |
| ThistleWeb | twitter, proudly named after a closed source service, fighting for free software | Oct 19 08:53 |
| The message is that patents are bad for free software and that Microsoft and Novell are promoting those for their selfish interests. | Oct 19 08:53 | |
| jono | twitter, indeed, and I agree that the deal sold our community down the swanney | Oct 19 08:54 |
| jono | it was bad for open source, free software and our community | Oct 19 08:54 |
| Sure, so why concentrate on the smears? | Oct 19 08:54 | |
| Ender2070 | ThistleWeb - unless his nickname is older than 2006 | Oct 19 08:54 |
| the "controversy"? | Oct 19 08:54 | |
| jono | but I was also acknowledging that Novell has produced some great contributions to our community | Oct 19 08:54 |
| jono | twitter, as I said to Roy before the interview, I was going to raise the controvosy so he could respond | Oct 19 08:55 |
| Ender2070 | jono - some of the contributions would be provided elsewhere, via Redhat or Canonical | Oct 19 08:55 |
| jono | twitter, there is so much controvosy around BC it would have been wrong if I did not cover it and give Roy a chance to respond | Oct 19 08:55 |
| jono | and as I said three times, I believe Roy's heart is in the right place and his intentions are good, but this controvosy undermines said intentions | Oct 19 08:56 |
| Did you tell him that's what the interview would be about, or was it an ambush? | Oct 19 08:56 | |
| jono | twitter, we had a call beforehand and I told him I would be asking some tough questions | Oct 19 08:56 |
| Did you discuss subject matter, specifically, or not? | Oct 19 08:57 | |
| ThistleWeb | BN is controversial, not to say so would be wrong | Oct 19 08:57 |
| jono | and he said in the BC news story that he was expecting the interview to be like that | Oct 19 08:57 |
| Ender2070 | at the end of the interview Leo said it was an ambush | Oct 19 08:57 |
| The accusation of "spammer" seemed to take him by surprise. | Oct 19 08:57 | |
| Ender2070 | why ask when its been answered | Oct 19 08:57 |
| as such a fabrication should | Oct 19 08:57 | |
| jono | twitter, I said to him that I would be mentioning the controvertial topics and give him a means to respond | Oct 19 08:57 |
| jono | twitter, if he was surprised I would be surprised, it seems a common area of controvosy | Oct 19 08:58 |
| so, you told him you would call him a spammer? | Oct 19 08:58 | |
| jono | and I felt he responded well | Oct 19 08:58 |
| jono | twitter, I didnt call him a spammer, I asked him if he was a spammer | Oct 19 08:58 |
| jono | and he said no | Oct 19 08:58 |
| jono | and then we moved on to the topic of how you deal with spammers who spam in your name | Oct 19 08:58 |
| so, you think I'm a spammer? | Oct 19 08:58 | |
| ThistleWeb | he did sound nervous at some points but I put that down to someone who's not used being interviewed live, as I'd be | Oct 19 08:59 |
| jono | twitter, I don't know, I have seen accusations that you are, but I don't know personally | Oct 19 08:59 |
| jono | twitter, hence never accusing you of such | Oct 19 08:59 |
| Ender2070 | twitter - im not a regular here, and in no way did i think he refered to you | Oct 19 08:59 |
| Ender2070 | twitter - even if you are the spammer in his mind, the audience has no clue | Oct 19 09:00 |
| yeah, yeah, and I don't know if you still enjoy beating your wife. I'd never accuse you of such a thing without doing my research. | Oct 19 09:00 | |
| jono | twitter, I didnt accuse you | Oct 19 09:00 |
| jono | where did I directly accuse you? | Oct 19 09:00 |
| Ender2070 | twitter - he didnt even say "this spammer twitter" | Oct 19 09:00 |
| jono | I never referenced you | Oct 19 09:00 |
| Ender2070 | he refered to spammers as plural | Oct 19 09:00 |
| jono | indeed | Oct 19 09:00 |
| "this guy from slashdot with 16 accounts" | Oct 19 09:00 | |
| Ender2070 | could've been lefty | Oct 19 09:01 |
| mutx | is that you twitter ? | Oct 19 09:01 |
| Ender2070 | LOL | Oct 19 09:01 |
| jono | twitter, sure, but there could any number of people with 16 accounts | Oct 19 09:01 |
| if you did not do your homework, you should have kept your mouth shut. | Oct 19 09:01 | |
| jono | why do you assume it is you? | Oct 19 09:01 |
| jono | twitter, I did do my homework | Oct 19 09:01 |
| not very well. | Oct 19 09:01 | |
| jono | http://slashdot.org/~SockDisclosure/journal/214377 | Oct 19 09:01 |
| Right. | Oct 19 09:02 | |
| jono | but even so, I didnt name you | Oct 19 09:02 |
| so did you read that piece of shit critically or did you just suck it down? | Oct 19 09:02 | |
| I'm not a troll and I'm not a spammer. | Oct 19 09:02 | |
| jono | of course I read it critically, hence not naming you | Oct 19 09:02 |
| jono | ok then | Oct 19 09:02 |
| jono | if you deny involvement in spamming or trolling, thats fine | Oct 19 09:03 |
| I've been submitting stories to Slashdot for ten year. | Oct 19 09:03 | |
| jono | and you don't lose anything because I never named you | Oct 19 09:03 |
| jono | so your reputation has not regressed since the interview | Oct 19 09:03 |
| hmph. | Oct 19 09:03 | |
| jono | put it this way, if I had named you, I could understand you being pissed | Oct 19 09:03 |
| You should know better than to quote a hatchet job. | Oct 19 09:04 | |
| ThistleWeb | twitter you do have a habit of pouncing on peeps here | Oct 19 09:04 |
| jono | but this is why I didn't name any spammer directly | Oct 19 09:04 |
| ThistleWeb | or deciding they're trolling when they disagree with you | Oct 19 09:04 |
| ThistleWeb | even the whole "pounce on jono and start a fight" thing today just plays into that anti-social side you seem to waer so natuarly | Oct 19 09:05 |
| I'm pissed that you used me as an example of what's wrong with BN, as you grandly missed the big picture of this place. | Oct 19 09:05 | |
| jono | twitter, I never said I agreed with everything BC does | Oct 19 09:05 |
| ThistleWeb | you are an example of what's wrong with BN though | Oct 19 09:05 |
| mutx | who used you as an example ? | Oct 19 09:05 |
| jono | and I also never used you as an example | Oct 19 09:05 |
| ThistleWeb | in IRC anyway | Oct 19 09:05 |
| jono | I used some person with 16 accounts on twitter, I neither referenced that article or your name on the show | Oct 19 09:06 |
| You knew what you were doing. | Oct 19 09:06 | |
| jono | it seems you are the only one here who is drawing this connection | Oct 19 09:07 |
| jono | so I guess we will have to agree to disagree | Oct 19 09:07 |
| ThistleWeb | one part of roys interview I thought was kinda weak, was on the "face of BN" ot the "face of mono" thing | Oct 19 09:07 |
| ThistleWeb | whether he admits it or not, he is BN | Oct 19 09:07 |
| ThistleWeb | just as migeul is mono | Oct 19 09:08 |
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| So jono, let's talk about patent extortion. How is it that you can hang out here and miss that? | Oct 19 09:08 | |
| ThistleWeb | BN is largely a blog, wit a single poster | Oct 19 09:08 |
| jono | twitter, I understand the goals of the project | Oct 19 09:09 |
| jono | where I disagree is in the tone and approach | Oct 19 09:09 |
| jono | I think it could be more elgant | Oct 19 09:09 |
| jono | elegant | Oct 19 09:09 |
| jono | I think Roy is a smart and knowledgeable guy | Oct 19 09:09 |
| jono | with a remarkable ability to cross-reference | Oct 19 09:09 |
| jono | but I think the approach is wrong | Oct 19 09:10 |
| you keep turning this into a personal discussion. | Oct 19 09:10 | |
| let's talk about Fat patents, Tomtom, and NAS companies. | Oct 19 09:10 | |
| jono | twitter, I reference Roy as I feel he is the most notable and public representative of BC | Oct 19 09:10 |
| jono | twitter, I agree that MS uses patents as a threat | Oct 19 09:10 |
| jono | and I agree that the Novell/MS was a bad thing | Oct 19 09:11 |
| it is an ongoing bad thing | Oct 19 09:11 | |
| jono | but Novell and MS are a huge companies and these issues do not represent them in their entireity | Oct 19 09:11 |
| and their collusion has cost them business as well as software quality. | Oct 19 09:11 | |
| Novell is wasting their resources on mono. It's clear that the free software world is better off with things like Java. | Oct 19 09:12 | |
| jono | twitter, well, as a business they are not wasting resources, they seem to be making money from it | Oct 19 09:12 |
| mutx | that's one persons opinion, but thats all it is. | Oct 19 09:13 |
| jono | and we have a comprehensive development platform in the form of Mon | Oct 19 09:13 |
| jono | Mono | Oct 19 09:13 |
| their business declines. mono is a dead end | Oct 19 09:13 | |
| ThistleWeb | how much easier the twitter approcah to IRC is, with an intro like "hey jono, fuck you" getting a "ok, I'll gonore you troll" | Oct 19 09:13 |
| jono | if you don't like it, use another platform | Oct 19 09:13 |
| I do use another platform | Oct 19 09:13 | |
| ThistleWeb | instead you spend time debating with someone who set out to start a fight | Oct 19 09:13 |
| jono | twitter, which platform, out of curiosity? | Oct 19 09:14 |
| mutx | then what is your problem ? | Oct 19 09:14 |
| but the Novell people act like that platform owes something to Microsoft. | Oct 19 09:14 | |
| my problem is software patent extortion | Oct 19 09:14 | |
| jono | twitter, which platform do you use? | Oct 19 09:14 |
| Ender2070 | sometimes switching isn't a very good option either | Oct 19 09:14 |
| I use Debian, but that does not matter. | Oct 19 09:14 | |
| jono | twitter, I mean which software development platform | Oct 19 09:14 |
| every free software developer should feel insulted by Microsoft's claim to own their work by bogus patents. | Oct 19 09:15 | |
| jono | when I say "platform" I mean programming platforrm | Oct 19 09:15 |
| jono | such as Mono/GNOME or Python/GNOME | Oct 19 09:15 |
| jono | twitter, do you write code? | Oct 19 09:15 |
| I use C and Fortran, and that matters even less. | Oct 19 09:15 | |
| jono | twitter, you use C, which compiler? | Oct 19 09:15 |
| gcc of course. | Oct 19 09:15 | |
| Ender2070 | I am starting with C++(GCC)/Qt/KDE | Oct 19 09:16 |
| jono | twitter, cool, what kind of apps do you write? | Oct 19 09:16 |
| where are you going with this? I'd like you to spit it out. | Oct 19 09:16 | |
| jono | twitter, just curious about which free software programs you work on | Oct 19 09:16 |
| jono | thats all | Oct 19 09:16 |
| jono | Ender2070, awesome KDE and C++ are awesome | Oct 19 09:16 |
| various scientific computing, nothing you would have come across. | Oct 19 09:16 | |
| jono | Ender2070, I used write some KDE code | Oct 19 09:16 |
| I'm just a user. | Oct 19 09:17 | |
| jono | twitter, where can I find the code online? | Oct 19 09:17 |
| jono | twitter, so you are not a developer? | Oct 19 09:17 |
| ThistleWeb | twitter is all about the freedom of choice, as long as the non-free options are not listed among them | Oct 19 09:17 |
| I don't know what a developer is, jono. | Oct 19 09:17 | |
| can you describe it to me? | Oct 19 09:17 | |
| jono | twitter, someone who writes code and releases it | Oct 19 09:18 |
| Ender2070 | ThistleWeb - non-free should be seperate and not default, but still an option | Oct 19 09:18 |
| ThistleWeb | of course, as an option if peeps want it | Oct 19 09:18 |
| perhaps, one day, when I don't think you are here to bury a hatchet in my head, I'll tell you who I am and what I do. | Oct 19 09:18 | |
| I think you are avoiding the patent extortion topic. | Oct 19 09:18 | |
| ThistleWeb | that's not the world twitter wants mandated though | Oct 19 09:18 |
| I think that topic makes you uncomfortable. | Oct 19 09:19 | |
| Instead you would like to make this about me. | Oct 19 09:19 | |
| Ender2070 | twitter - you're on an enemies list, with your real name and website | Oct 19 09:19 |
| ThistleWeb | twitter: it was YOU who started the fight as soon as jono walked in, you're NOT the victim | Oct 19 09:19 |
| jono | twitter, what makes you think I want to bury a hatchet in your head? | Oct 19 09:19 |
| Ender2070 | twitter - he probably knows who you are | Oct 19 09:19 |
| a radio show I watched. | Oct 19 09:20 | |
| ThistleWeb | unless you're one of these guys who tried to beat up the pro-fighters in drag and got their asses handed to them on a plate | Oct 19 09:20 |
| one where you called Roy a spammer. | Oct 19 09:20 | |
| jono | twitter, at what point did I call him a spammer? | Oct 19 09:20 |
| jono | recite to me the exact line I used | Oct 19 09:20 |
| link me to a transcript and I'll be happy to point back. | Oct 19 09:21 | |
| mutx | and include the line where he said "twitter" was a spammer wile you at it :) | Oct 19 09:21 |
| ThistleWeb | twitter: at no point in the interview did anyone say roy was a spammer | Oct 19 09:21 |
| I'd also be happy to point to the word "patent" if it shows up at all. | Oct 19 09:22 | |
| ThistleWeb | he said there were alegations of spamming on BN's behalf | Oct 19 09:22 |
| jono | twitter, I am not aware of a transcript online | Oct 19 09:22 |
| But I think that topic never reared it's head. | Oct 19 09:22 | |
| ThistleWeb | or posting of BN posts | Oct 19 09:22 |
| Do you expect me to write a transcript for you? | Oct 19 09:22 | |
| ThistleWeb | and allowed roy the chance to asnwer the alegations | Oct 19 09:22 |
| jono | twitter, I am sorry to hear you are disappointed, it was never intended that way | Oct 19 09:22 |
| mutx | we expect you to listen to the same thing we all heard. | Oct 19 09:22 |
| jono | and you feel maligned, but I never named you | Oct 19 09:22 |
| jono | and I never listed any of the online references that accuse you of spamming | Oct 19 09:23 |
| ThistleWeb | it is funny how twitter see's himself in the guise of the spammer | Oct 19 09:23 |
| jono | but if you consider this still maligning you, I apologize | Oct 19 09:23 |
| I think it was maligning and sloppy. | Oct 19 09:23 | |
| jono | twitter, I disagree, but I guess we should just agree to disagree | Oct 19 09:24 |
| ThistleWeb | then start a site called boycotttwit.com and harrass everyone who won't believe you | Oct 19 09:24 |
| You can do your homework and do a real retraction and I'd think you meant your apology. | Oct 19 09:24 | |
| mutx | what homework ? | Oct 19 09:25 |
| Where he looks into the allegations before parroting them. | Oct 19 09:25 | |
| ThistleWeb | twitter: and you wonder why some see you as one of the people who give BN a bad name? Read the log of this convo | Oct 19 09:25 |
| He could have started here, or he could have asked me directly. | Oct 19 09:26 | |
| ThistleWeb | of course, I'm a troll and have been ignored. It seems to vary each day | Oct 19 09:26 |
| Fuck you ThisleWeb | Oct 19 09:26 | |
| ThistleWeb | so I'm not ignored | Oct 19 09:26 |
| jono | twitter, I get the impression that no matter how fair and balanced I am, if I disagree with you, you will feel like you are a victim | Oct 19 09:26 |
| mutx | there you go, nuff said. | Oct 19 09:26 |
| jono | and that is fine, feel free to feel maligned, but it was not intended and you are the only one who has been agressive in this discussion | Oct 19 09:27 |
| uhhh, fair and balanced is research, critical thinking and questioning. | Oct 19 09:27 | |
| I came in here to tell you off for calling me a spammer. | Oct 19 09:27 | |
| that's a defensive action, jono | Oct 19 09:27 | |
| ThistleWeb | it's also about playing devils advocate and giving the guest a free chance to answer | Oct 19 09:27 |
| jono | twitter, consider me told off | Oct 19 09:27 |
| ThistleWeb | the interviewer is not supposed to play cheerleader | Oct 19 09:27 |
| jono | twitter, message received | Oct 19 09:28 |
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| ThistleWeb | they're supposed to ask questions from all angles | Oct 19 09:28 |
| so, am I a spammer or not? | Oct 19 09:28 | |
| cubezzz | having a weird problem tonight | Oct 19 09:28 |
| cubezzz | all the leds on my router were blinking like crazy | Oct 19 09:28 |
| mutx | it's an Offencive action, and why do you feel you are the spammer?? When he said some people spam alot, I did not think he was refering to ME ? so why you ? | Oct 19 09:28 |
| cubezzz | I end up turning off all the computers, and connecting this one machine | Oct 19 09:28 |
| If you can't answer that question, you need to do some research. When you are done, you owe me a real apology. | Oct 19 09:29 | |
| Twisted_Mentat | o/ jono. Loved the episode. | Oct 19 09:29 |
| cubezzz | seem to be back to normal, no idea what happened :-/ | Oct 19 09:29 |
| mutx | Twitter, only you know if you are a spammer or not, but you react as if you are. | Oct 19 09:29 |
| ThistleWeb | jono and leo coulda been bastards and kept cutting roy off, or twisting his words, or ending the interview without giving him a free reign to adress stuff he thought wasnt covered | Oct 19 09:29 |
| ThistleWeb | they didn't | Oct 19 09:29 |
| jono | twitter, I have no direct experience myself of you being a spammer, but I have seen a lot of evidence from others that suggests you are, but because I don't have direct proof myself, I did not name you directly on the show or even provide a link to the evidence | Oct 19 09:29 |
| jono | Twisted_Mentat, thanks :) | Oct 19 09:29 |
| ThistleWeb | they gave roy the same treatment they gave to other guests | Oct 19 09:30 |
| jono | ok folks | Oct 19 09:30 |
| jono | I better get back to work | Oct 19 09:30 |
| ThistleWeb | cya jono | Oct 19 09:30 |
| jono | release next week :-) | Oct 19 09:30 |
| jono | thanks folks for the discussion | Oct 19 09:30 |
| jono | I will be idling in here like usual | Oct 19 09:30 |
| mutx | Thanks Jono | Oct 19 09:30 |
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| cubezzz | so I'm thinking, maybe it's the router | Oct 19 09:32 |
| cubezzz | but then when I connect a brand new router, it's lights start blinking like crazy | Oct 19 09:32 |
| cubezzz | so I shutdown everything | Oct 19 09:33 |
| cubezzz | better check the logs | Oct 19 09:34 |
| Ender2070 | jono | Oct 19 09:35 |
| Ender2070 | you still there? | Oct 19 09:35 |
| jono | Ender2070, yep | Oct 19 09:35 |
| jono | I will be idling here :) | Oct 19 09:35 |
| Ender2070 | have you ever or plan to interview David Lefty Shlesinger? | Oct 19 09:35 |
| jono | Ender2070, no plans as yet, but I would be happy to | Oct 19 09:36 |
| Ender2070 | after interviewing BN, might be a good idea to interview the brain behind their enemy BNN (boycott boycott novell) | Oct 19 09:37 |
| Ender2070 | errrr, BBN | Oct 19 09:38 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Oct 19 09:38 |
| Twisted_Mentat | Too bad there are no big OSS people from New Zealand. :( | Oct 19 09:38 |
| jono | Ender2070, yeah, I agree | Oct 19 09:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] Vietnamese "vocational training"/public service announcement. The rest of the world does things differently than we do! http://bit.ly/4DCrPT | Oct 19 09:39 | |
| jono | will need to see if Leo would be happy with that | Oct 19 09:39 |
| Ender2070 | he seems resonable most of the time | Oct 19 09:39 |
| Ender2070 | reasonable* | Oct 19 09:39 |
| Ender2070 | konversation needs spellcheck -.- | Oct 19 09:39 |
| Twisted_Mentat | heh | Oct 19 09:40 |
| ThistleWeb | a big thing that interview did was show that roy was an intelegent guy, not some raving nutter | Oct 19 09:40 |
| jono | Ender2070, yeah I have known him for a while | Oct 19 09:40 |
| jono | ThistleWeb, yeah Roy certainly knows his thing | Oct 19 09:40 |
| ThistleWeb | he does | Oct 19 09:40 |
| jono | and it amazes me how Roy can recall all these articles he has posted :) | Oct 19 09:40 |
| jono | he is like a human encyclopedia | Oct 19 09:41 |
| ThistleWeb | he's also very patient and thoughtful before he talks, it's not like he reacts and gets angry at stuff, cutting in etc | Oct 19 09:41 |
| ThistleWeb | it's not the image his detractors try to paint him as | Oct 19 09:41 |
| Ender2070 | im a human encyclopedia without sources | Oct 19 09:42 |
| Ender2070 | so sometimes I look like an idiot if i cant remember where I read something | Oct 19 09:42 |
| *ThistleWeb is a human encyclopedia without an index | Oct 19 09:42 | |
| ThistleWeb | aka I know random shit | Oct 19 09:42 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Oct 19 09:42 |
| Ender2070 | roy's memory is probably a school thing | Oct 19 09:43 |
| ThistleWeb | he could be a politician | Oct 19 09:43 |
| Ender2070 | I think hes studying for a PhD | Oct 19 09:43 |
| ThistleWeb | he has the RMS ability to see layers within layers in a question | Oct 19 09:43 |
| cubezzz | high praise | Oct 19 09:44 |
| ThistleWeb | I found roy more personable than any RMS interview I've heard | Oct 19 09:44 |
| cubezzz | RMS is becoming more personable though | Oct 19 09:45 |
| ThistleWeb | so I heard yeah | Oct 19 09:45 |
| ThistleWeb | last I heard him was ages ago on tllts and lugradio (I think) | Oct 19 09:45 |
| ThistleWeb | his argument with linc was funny | Oct 19 09:45 |
| cubezzz | the early emacs arguments were rather brutal | Oct 19 09:46 |
| ThistleWeb | 2 totally different viewpoints, not understanding each other | Oct 19 09:46 |
| cubezzz | even though it seems like a silly thing to argue about | Oct 19 09:46 |
| ThistleWeb | like ships in the night | Oct 19 09:46 |
| Ender2070 | RMS was on Infowars once | Oct 19 09:46 |
| Ender2070 | which was odd | Oct 19 09:46 |
| cubezzz | do playstations have hard drives in them? | Oct 19 09:56 |
| Ender2070 | some | Oct 19 09:56 |
| cubezzz | looks like I was down for 3.5 hours | Oct 19 09:57 |
| Ender2070 | ps3 seems to have them | Oct 19 09:58 |
| cubezzz | yeah, I saw "playstation portable" in my apache logs | Oct 19 09:58 |
| cubezzz | just seemed a little odd | Oct 19 09:58 |
| Ender2070 | oh | Oct 19 09:58 |
| Ender2070 | those things have flash memory if I believe | Oct 19 09:58 |
| cubezzz | that's like an Atari Lynx right? | Oct 19 09:59 |
| Ender2070 | yeah, but slower on the loading | Oct 19 09:59 |
| cubezzz | Mozilla 4.0 on playstation portable | Oct 19 10:00 |
| Ender2070 | yup, psp | Oct 19 10:00 |
| cubezzz | wonder if you can run linux on that :) | Oct 19 10:00 |
| Ender2070 | probably | Oct 19 10:00 |
| Ender2070 | what can't you run linux on these days | Oct 19 10:01 |
| Ender2070 | even if unofficially | Oct 19 10:01 |
| cubezzz | blackberry comes to mind | Oct 19 10:01 |
| Ender2070 | lots of things do | Oct 19 10:03 |
| cubezzz | btw, I seems there really is Linux on PSP | Oct 19 10:04 |
| cubezzz | It seems | Oct 19 10:05 |
| *schestowitz begins posting marathon of like 14 posts :-) | Oct 19 10:05 | |
| Ender2070 | lol | Oct 19 10:05 |
| Ender2070 | hey roy | Oct 19 10:05 |
| Ender2070 | some guy here was on the name "Shlesinger" and lefty is accusing me | Oct 19 10:06 |
| schestowitz | [09:00] <twitter> "this guy from slashdot with 16 accounts" | Oct 19 10:15 |
| schestowitz | [09:01] <Ender2070> could've been lefty | Oct 19 10:15 |
| schestowitz | [09:00] <twitter> "this guy from slashdot with 16 accounts" | Oct 19 10:15 |
| schestowitz | [09:01] <Ender2070> could've been lefty | Oct 19 10:15 |
| schestowitz | Exactly. | Oct 19 10:16 |
| schestowitz | Not only that, but I would rather not speak about people. | Oct 19 10:16 |
| asdf_ | schestowitz: sry, but if you talk about some guy on slashdot with loads of accounts it's pretty safe to say it's "twitter" and not whomever you don't like ;D | Oct 19 10:17 |
| schestowitz | [09:05] <ThistleWeb> even the whole "pounce on jono and start a fight" thing today just plays into that anti-social side you seem to waer so natuarly | Oct 19 10:17 |
| schestowitz | I can actually understand Twitter's anger | Oct 19 10:17 |
| schestowitz | And I was unfair not only to name him a spammer (or lump him with the name), which he AIN'T | Oct 19 10:18 |
| asdf_ | schestowitz: right - I just don't agree with his attitude to create loads of sockpuppets to support his pov :D | Oct 19 10:18 |
| schestowitz | I didn't appreciate being put in a position to defend _others_ from wrong allegations that come from Mr. Sockpuppet himself via jono | Oct 19 10:19 |
| schestowitz | And the word "spammer" is the new "terrorist"-- a word that's used sparingly and being cheapened | Oct 19 10:19 |
| schestowitz | [09:13] <ThistleWeb> how much easier the twitter approcah to IRC is, with an intro like "hey jono, fuck you" getting a "ok, I'll gonore you troll" | Oct 19 10:20 |
| schestowitz | Agreed. | Oct 19 10:20 |
| schestowitz | But I can understand twitter's resentment of the accusation by proxy | Oct 19 10:21 |
| schestowitz | WHen people echo false accusations it still resonates in a person's mind | Oct 19 10:21 |
| schestowitz | [09:20] <jono> twitter, at what point did I call him a spammer? | Oct 19 10:22 |
| schestowitz | You didn't | Oct 19 10:22 |
| schestowitz | But you said, "some people say the site is spamming" | Oct 19 10:22 |
| ThistleWeb | given how twitter behaves in here I dont think he has much to complain about | Oct 19 10:23 |
| schestowitz | It's important to say /what/ people say this | Oct 19 10:23 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft trolls for examples | Oct 19 10:23 |
| ThistleWeb | is he a spammer? only he knows | Oct 19 10:23 |
| schestowitz | And known psychopaths, among others | Oct 19 10:23 |
| ThistleWeb | is he aggressive in here? hell yes | Oct 19 10:23 |
| ThistleWeb | is he one of the people who harm BN? To me, yes | Oct 19 10:24 |
| schestowitz | Look up the definition and spamming and remember that BN is _not_ its readers, no more that Groklaw readers would make the site a "spammer" by just linking to Groklaw from places | Oct 19 10:24 |
| schestowitz | [09:22] <ThistleWeb> and allowed roy the chance to asnwer the alegations | Oct 19 10:24 |
| schestowitz | AGreed also. | Oct 19 10:24 |
| schestowitz | I knew the show would be like that, but I hope jono did double-check the facts because many times he brought falsehoods that only serves as obnoxious distractions. TO prove the falsehood of something is not simple, esp. when it's referring to people whom I don't know | Oct 19 10:26 |
| schestowitz | [09:39] <Ender2070> konversation needs spellcheck -.- | Oct 19 10:28 |
| schestowitz | Right-click text input line, toggle spellchecker | Oct 19 10:28 |
| schestowitz | Works in the beta, not alpha IIRC | Oct 19 10:29 |
| schestowitz | [09:43] <Ender2070> I think hes studying for a PhD | Oct 19 10:30 |
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| schestowitz | I finished my work in 2006 | Oct 19 10:30 |
| schestowitz | Now idling | Oct 19 10:30 |
| schestowitz | I might 'have' to finish it soon. By no means I hurry to obtain it | Oct 19 10:30 |
| schestowitz | [09:45] <cubezzz> RMS is becoming more personable though | Oct 19 10:31 |
| schestowitz | He did anger management, he told me | Oct 19 10:31 |
| schestowitz | [09:46] <Ender2070> RMS was on Infowars once | Oct 19 10:31 |
| schestowitz | I bet he didn't know it well | Oct 19 10:31 |
| schestowitz | Even Chomsky was on infowars only to be attacked by Alen Jones | Oct 19 10:31 |
| schestowitz | CHomsky was once also on Hustler, he _Didn't know what it was!!!_ | Oct 19 10:32 |
| schestowitz | [10:18] <asdf_> schestowitz: right - I just don't agree with his attitude to create loads of sockpuppets to support his pov :D | Oct 19 10:33 |
| schestowitz | Me neither, but to label him "Spammer" is not fair | Oct 19 10:33 |
| schestowitz | ANd I find it ironic that this accusation sorta comes from a hypocrite who does the same thing | Oct 19 10:33 |
| cubezzz | aha | Oct 19 10:33 |
| cubezzz | you talked to RMS schestowitz? | Oct 19 10:33 |
| schestowitz | [10:23] <ThistleWeb> is he a spammer? only he knows | Oct 19 10:33 |
| schestowitz | No, he must have had like 100 stories/submission hit the front page of Slashdot | Oct 19 10:34 |
| schestowitz | From what he has said here, he was abused heavily there, so he moved to another account | Oct 19 10:34 |
| schestowitz | I'm against that | Oct 19 10:34 |
| schestowitz | But I've nothing to do with his behaviour | Oct 19 10:34 |
| ThistleWeb | all I have to go on is his behaviour here | Oct 19 10:35 |
| ThistleWeb | on that alone I have little sympathy for him | Oct 19 10:35 |
| cubezzz | uh, I think people are a little more polite in person | Oct 19 10:35 |
| cubezzz | it's an IRC thing | Oct 19 10:35 |
| asdf_ | schestowitz: why am I know a "hypocrite"? And also why do you consider someone creating loads of sock puppets to supports ones pov a spammer unfair? | Oct 19 10:35 |
| schestowitz | [10:33] <cubezzz> you talked to RMS schestowitz? | Oct 19 10:35 |
| ThistleWeb | if he behaves the same elsewhere I can quite imagine him being abused under every name he has to move to | Oct 19 10:35 |
| schestowitz | http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/cnews/article.php/3717476 | Oct 19 10:36 |
| asdf_ | s/know/now/ | Oct 19 10:36 |
| schestowitz | asdf_: many people who attack me use sockpuppets | Oct 19 10:36 |
| schestowitz | From the "Flatfish" persona with hundreds of nyms | Oct 19 10:36 |
| schestowitz | INCLUDING MY OWN NAME | Oct 19 10:36 |
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| schestowitz | And some variations of my name like "RAY SCHESTOWITZ" | Oct 19 10:37 |
| asdf_ | schestowitz: I wasn't talking about you but about twitter who is well known to use sock puppets - e.g. on dig or slashdot. | Oct 19 10:37 |
| schestowitz | And others who used dozens of names (including mine) to plant smears of me across the Web | Oct 19 10:37 |
| schestowitz | asdf_: I'm Roy, not "twitter" | Oct 19 10:37 |
| ThistleWeb | heard of a user http://slashdot.org/~rennerik | Oct 19 10:37 |
| schestowitz | And what he does I can't control | Oct 19 10:37 |
| asdf_ | yeah well, forgive me I don't want to get dragged in into your "war" in any way. simply treat me on how I act here. | Oct 19 10:38 |
| schestowitz | OK, np | Oct 19 10:38 |
| schestowitz | But basically, I see a lot of people accused of stuff that's then ascribed to BN and by inference to me | Oct 19 10:38 |
| asdf_ | schestowitz: sure, did I say somthing different? You were talking about twitter: [11:14] <schestowitz> [09:00] <twitter> "this guy from slashdot with 16 accounts" | Oct 19 10:39 |
| schestowitz | Someone in IRC told me she had left because of trolls and bad people who entered this channel | Oct 19 10:39 |
| schestowitz | I don't choose who comes here | Oct 19 10:39 |
| schestowitz | ANd we've had vile anti-Linux people come here | Oct 19 10:39 |
| schestowitz | Even Microsoft employees | Oct 19 10:39 |
| schestowitz | ANd of course Novell employees | Oct 19 10:39 |
| schestowitz | [10:39] <asdf_> schestowitz: sure, did I say somthing different? You were talking about twitter: [11:14] <schestowitz> [09:00] <twitter> "this guy from slashdot with 16 accounts" | Oct 19 10:39 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: totally, though some peeps are perceived to be talking almost on your behalf | Oct 19 10:39 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they can do a show about Slashdot or something | Oct 19 10:40 |
| ThistleWeb | unless you state otherwise | Oct 19 10:40 |
| schestowitz | Some people pointed to blog comments in the site whose writers made extreme remarks | Oct 19 10:40 |
| cubezzz | I've seen them yes | Oct 19 10:40 |
| schestowitz | [10:39] <ThistleWeb> schestowitz: totally, though some peeps are perceived to be talking almost on your behalf | Oct 19 10:40 |
| schestowitz | I think it's on purpose | Oct 19 10:40 |
| schestowitz | To disparage | Oct 19 10:41 |
| ThistleWeb | in some cases I agree | Oct 19 10:41 |
| ThistleWeb | at some times in here it can be pretty hostile | Oct 19 10:42 |
| ThistleWeb | where the agressors are the regulars | Oct 19 10:42 |
| ThistleWeb | it happens in reverse too of course | Oct 19 10:42 |
| ThistleWeb | where trolls come in | Oct 19 10:42 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: yes, but he is not the site | Oct 19 10:43 |
| ThistleWeb | when regulars in here seem to defend you at all costs, the perception is that they speak on your behalf, even if they don't | Oct 19 10:44 |
| cubezzz | humans aren't that nice :) | Oct 19 10:45 |
| cubezzz | it's a shame really | Oct 19 10:45 |
| cubezzz | the amount of time and energy that goes into arguing about stuff | Oct 19 10:45 |
| ThistleWeb | yep | Oct 19 10:45 |
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| cubezzz | I'm not neutral, I'm pro-FOSS | Oct 19 10:46 |
| cubezzz | sharing is better than hoarding | Oct 19 10:46 |
| ThistleWeb | like schestowitz said, he can't control who comes in here (other than kick them out which has it's own issues with freedom of speech issues) | Oct 19 10:46 |
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| ThistleWeb | he can't control who links to him | Oct 19 10:47 |
| ThistleWeb | most of us are pro-FOSS | Oct 19 10:47 |
| ThistleWeb | some are more hardline than others | Oct 19 10:47 |
| cubezzz | sure | Oct 19 10:47 |
| ThistleWeb | some are more agressive in their views than others | Oct 19 10:48 |
| mutx | which is not necessarily FOSS only related | Oct 19 10:48 |
| cubezzz | I don't care to fight all the time | Oct 19 10:49 |
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| ThistleWeb | there's more to life than arguing about stuff when we're on the same side for the most part | Oct 19 10:50 |
| cubezzz | I don't go into Microsoft groups and provoke them | Oct 19 10:50 |
| ThistleWeb | I autologin here but dont speak much for that reason, I do often read though | Oct 19 10:51 |
| ThistleWeb | cubezzz: exactly, it's pointless | Oct 19 10:51 |
| mutx | but obviously it's possible to be pro-FOSS and anti-BN, and I thought the issue was not linking to BN but being incited by BN to do these things. | Oct 19 10:51 |
| ThistleWeb | mutx: yep | Oct 19 10:51 |
| ThistleWeb | the CIA fell back on the idea that they created an atosphere where certain actions would be accpeted, while others wouldnt | Oct 19 10:52 |
| ThistleWeb | in the run up to Iraq | Oct 19 10:52 |
| ThistleWeb | evidence disproving Iraq had WMD was a career killer, while rumours proving it were a way to promotion | Oct 19 10:53 |
| ThistleWeb | treating BN as anything but controversial is wrong | Oct 19 10:53 |
| ThistleWeb | no matter what side you come down on | Oct 19 10:54 |
| schestowitz | [10:51] <mutx> but obviously it's possible to be pro-FOSS and anti-BN, and I thought the issue was not linking to BN but being incited by BN to do these things. | Oct 19 10:54 |
| schestowitz | Yes, but you were stepping on the line when cursing or daemonising people here | Oct 19 10:54 |
| schestowitz | [10:53] <ThistleWeb> treating BN as anything but controversial is wrong | Oct 19 10:54 |
| schestowitz | treating Novell dead as anything but controversial is wrong | Oct 19 10:55 |
| schestowitz | *Deal | Oct 19 10:55 |
| schestowitz | [Not dead] | Oct 19 10:55 |
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| ThistleWeb | for the most part I agree with most of what BN does, I love how various articles and evidence are compiled to show a wider pattern, but don't always agree with what the site says | Oct 19 10:55 |
| ThistleWeb | I don't always agree with some of the more negaitve stuff, but as schestowitz said on floss, there's plenty positive on BN too that peeps overlook | Oct 19 10:56 |
| ThistleWeb | 10:53 schestowit : treating Novell dead as anything but controversial is wrong | Oct 19 10:57 |
| ThistleWeb | ^^ I agree | Oct 19 10:57 |
| schestowitz | Some people pick 1 or few among 8000 posts to show somthing | Oct 19 10:58 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm wondering if TLLTS may have been a better platform | Oct 19 10:58 |
| ThistleWeb | as it's a longer slot with more linux knowledagble peeps | Oct 19 10:58 |
| schestowitz | That something can be "the site is not accurate", "the site attacks people", "the site incites hate", etc. | Oct 19 10:58 |
| ThistleWeb | rather than a 1hr slot with jono | Oct 19 10:58 |
| schestowitz | But any sites you don't like you can cherry-pick from | Oct 19 10:59 |
| schestowitz | Even jono's blog for example | Oct 19 10:59 |
| ThistleWeb | of course, cherry picking can show anything you want to show | Oct 19 10:59 |
| schestowitz | Quote-mining | Oct 19 10:59 |
| schestowitz | Or member-mining | Oct 19 10:59 |
| ThistleWeb | I subscribe to the BN feeds and see plenty positive stuff there | Oct 19 10:59 |
| ThistleWeb | some negative | Oct 19 11:00 |
| schestowitz | Finding some bad apples in the bunch and highlighting them as a streotype | Oct 19 11:00 |
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| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/31/boycott-novell-as-negative/ | Oct 19 11:00 |
| cubezzz | it's a good idea to watchdog Microsoft | Oct 19 11:04 |
| cubezzz | the net was/is being polluted with a ton of stuff that is not free or open | Oct 19 11:06 |
| cubezzz | it wasn't that long ago when Microsoft had very little influence on the internet | Oct 19 11:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft #Xbox 360 : Rented, Not Owned http://ping.fm/d2SwH | Oct 19 11:07 | |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: one person went as far as suggesting the destruction of the IRC channel | Oct 19 11:07 |
| cubezzz | lol | Oct 19 11:07 |
| cubezzz | how would they do that? | Oct 19 11:07 |
| schestowitz | He said it was a magnet for people who try to mock the site and hard to control | Oct 19 11:07 |
| schestowitz | Basically, people plant here and provoke here | Oct 19 11:08 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes. | Oct 19 11:08 |
| schestowitz | But there's lots of stuff I write in lots of place; they might just knock themselves out and comb through lots of text, just wasting their lives doing it | Oct 19 11:09 |
| cubezzz | ok, old story | Oct 19 11:11 |
| cubezzz | a group of tailors went out and smashed up all the spinning jenny's | Oct 19 11:12 |
| cubezzz | but it didn't matter | Oct 19 11:12 |
| cubezzz | things moved forward, and new ideas were adopted | Oct 19 11:12 |
| cubezzz | people aren't used to the idea having freedom with their operating system | Oct 19 11:13 |
| ThistleWeb | MS set the rules to suit them | Oct 19 11:13 |
| ThistleWeb | peeps have been introduced to PCs under their urles | Oct 19 11:14 |
| ThistleWeb | rules* | Oct 19 11:14 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft is actually getting worse not better | Oct 19 11:18 |
| mutx | and some people just like to use what works, and ask what freedoms they are missing out on ? | Oct 19 11:18 |
| cubezzz | more restrictions, more phoning home, more DRM | Oct 19 11:18 |
| ThistleWeb | MS will get worse the more desperate they get | Oct 19 11:18 |
| ThistleWeb | their heyday has been and went | Oct 19 11:18 |
| ThistleWeb | the world has moved on, and it's leaving them behind | Oct 19 11:19 |
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| cubezzz | it's like you were blind, suddenly now you can see, maybe only a little | Oct 19 11:20 |
| ThistleWeb | they had the world of IT in their hands, and due to their own incompetence they threw it all away | Oct 19 11:20 |
| cubezzz | some day you'll see in colour :) | Oct 19 11:20 |
| mutx | I see I have less restrictions on me now because I have the ability to choose, | Oct 19 11:20 |
| mutx | That is what is so good about FOSS, at the moment, is that is's a choice I can make IF I WANT TOO. | Oct 19 11:21 |
| cubezzz | yeah I can't make my customers choose anything | Oct 19 11:21 |
| mutx | what some people see from here is that you want to destroy MS and Novell, thus taking away our freedom to choose. | Oct 19 11:22 |
| ThistleWeb | "the more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your grasp" - Princess Leia | Oct 19 11:22 |
| mutx | Like MS or not, we want to have that choice ourselves. | Oct 19 11:23 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm guessing the MS borad never saw Star Wars | Oct 19 11:23 |
| ThistleWeb | board* | Oct 19 11:23 |
| cubezzz | I'm sure they idolize the Imperials :) | Oct 19 11:23 |
| ThistleWeb | either that or they saw tehmeselves as the rebels, whcih is quiet possible at that time | Oct 19 11:24 |
| oiaohm | mutx: We are annoyed with MS and Novell doing a deal that causes annoying issues. | Oct 19 11:24 |
| ThistleWeb | the plucky outsiders fighting against IBM | Oct 19 11:24 |
| oiaohm | Before that Novell was just something background Linux world did not care either way abotu mutx | Oct 19 11:24 |
| cubezzz | sometimes I actually get a bit miffed at Xerox | Oct 19 11:24 |
| oiaohm | MS is a bit hard to be nice to when for years they were we will do anything to kill competition mutx | Oct 19 11:24 |
| oiaohm | No matter if its illegal or not. | Oct 19 11:25 |
| cubezzz | Xerox PARC had all these amazing ideas, but didn't seem to do a lot with them | Oct 19 11:25 |
| oiaohm | Xerox PARC is the start of X11 and Apple cubezzz | Oct 19 11:25 |
| cubezzz | Xerox is almost as old as IBM | Oct 19 11:26 |
| cubezzz | I thought with invented the gui and the mouse, they would have been tons of Xerox computers sold | Oct 19 11:27 |
| cubezzz | inventing | Oct 19 11:28 |
| cubezzz | but they concentrated on the Laser Printer | Oct 19 11:29 |
| oiaohm | Xerox invented the computer with mouse. | Oct 19 11:31 |
| oiaohm | Then it was too expensive. | Oct 19 11:31 |
| oiaohm | So Xerox went back to what they could do well printing presses and printers. | Oct 19 11:31 |
| mutx | Mice, thats a bad idea that never went away ! | Oct 19 11:32 |
| oiaohm | http://www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/xerox-alto/ | Oct 19 11:32 |
| oiaohm | Xerox techs named them mutx | Oct 19 11:32 |
| oiaohm | Mouse name makes sence. | Oct 19 11:33 |
| oiaohm | Mouse as created as a gaming control for a game where you move a mouse around the screen collecting cheese avoiding the cat. | Oct 19 11:33 |
| mutx | the name makes total sence, but the device actual mice is a silly form of clumsy I/O, IMO. | Oct 19 11:33 |
| oiaohm | Most people think it has something to do with look. | Oct 19 11:34 |
| cubezzz | what should we use instead? | Oct 19 11:34 |
| oiaohm | But that is incorrect. | Oct 19 11:34 |
| oiaohm | The first computer mouse was a square box. | Oct 19 11:34 |
| oiaohm | Light pens were also designed in Xerox but they did not take off. | Oct 19 11:35 |
| mutx | yes, I know made of wood, but there must be better ways to do it, it is an ineligent I/O device. | Oct 19 11:35 |
| cubezzz | touch screen? Light-pen? :) | Oct 19 11:35 |
| oiaohm | Light-pen kinda. | Oct 19 11:35 |
| mutx | Yes, something like that, | Oct 19 11:35 |
| oiaohm | touchscreen. | Oct 19 11:35 |
| oiaohm | Light pen uses the refresh data from screen to work out where it is. | Oct 19 11:36 |
| cubezzz | I agree, for artwork the mouse isn't too good | Oct 19 11:36 |
| oiaohm | Then there is the tablet. | Oct 19 11:36 |
| mutx | but for touch typists, with graphics switching to a mouse all the time is a pain in the A$$, and try spending a few month's programming in LabVIEW, and still like the mouse. | Oct 19 11:36 |
| oiaohm | Note we have not left Xerox PARC yet. | Oct 19 11:36 |
| cubezzz | well there are keyboards with built-in trackball | Oct 19 11:37 |
| oiaohm | They invented a stack of pointing items. | Oct 19 11:37 |
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| oiaohm | trace balls also Xerox PARC | Oct 19 11:37 |
| cubezzz | you could put a big touch-pad between your hands and keyboard | Oct 19 11:37 |
| cubezzz | maybe that would be better | Oct 19 11:37 |
| mutx | sure, like the dedicated graphics pads for AutoCAD and so on, they are not too bad, but still basically a mouse. | Oct 19 11:38 |
| oiaohm | Laser mice and touch are the ones invented out side Xerox. | Oct 19 11:38 |
| cubezzz | well OSes could be made more keyboard friendly | Oct 19 11:38 |
| mutx | Yes, actually a laptop with a touch pad is one way to "soft of" get better response. | Oct 19 11:38 |
| oiaohm | It also style. | Oct 19 11:39 |
| oiaohm | I find computer mouse better than touch pad. | Oct 19 11:39 |
| mutx | cubezz, yes, on the OS's, most functions have keyboard shortcuts, that I always find and use/ | Oct 19 11:39 |
| oiaohm | But for fine work I will use graphic pads. | Oct 19 11:39 |
| oiaohm | Heck for some fine work I use keyboard emulation of mouse. | Oct 19 11:40 |
| mutx | sure, I do as well, and/or reset my mouse to its slowest speed, at least for that LabVIEW is quite forgiving, and it has lots of keyboard shortcuts. | Oct 19 11:41 |
| mutx | Warcraft, intergrates the keyboard and mouse functions very effectively, if your looking for an example. | Oct 19 11:41 |
| oiaohm | The one thing that would be handy is mouse speed per application. | Oct 19 11:42 |
| cubezzz | I wish I could have ncurses everything sometimes | Oct 19 11:42 |
| cubezzz | then I can live on ssh and do everything | Oct 19 11:42 |
| mutx | yes, oiaohm, that would be good. | Oct 19 11:42 |
| cubezzz | yeah that does seem a good idea :) | Oct 19 11:43 |
| cubezzz | maybe X windows can do that? | Oct 19 11:43 |
| oiaohm | Next generation X11 it will be possiable. | Oct 19 11:44 |
| oiaohm | Since each application under it can be give its own mouse. | Oct 19 11:44 |
| oiaohm | keyboard and everything else | Oct 19 11:44 |
| oiaohm | Yes kinda insane. | Oct 19 11:44 |
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| mutx | you would have to tie the mouse speed to the key focus of the app, with the desktop as your default setting I guess. | Oct 19 11:45 |
| cubezzz | there's xset | Oct 19 11:45 |
| cubezzz | xset m 8 3 | Oct 19 11:45 |
| oiaohm | mutx X11 multi mouse/keyboard insanity. | Oct 19 11:45 |
| oiaohm | You can have two sets of mouse and keyboard pluged in with different settings linked to different applications at the same time. | Oct 19 11:46 |
| oiaohm | Just realy would need a service providing virtual mice/keyboards. | Oct 19 11:46 |
| mutx | thats good, I know I can plug in multiple usb kb's and mice, but I dont think I can seperate their settings. | Oct 19 11:47 |
| mutx | that would ba a very handy feature, I would use. | Oct 19 11:47 |
| oiaohm | Can be set different in the 7.5 X11 that is coming. | Oct 19 11:47 |
| cubezzz | then "xset m" to go back to default settings | Oct 19 11:47 |
| oiaohm | You can also bind a keyboard and mouse to and application. | Oct 19 11:48 |
| oiaohm | And that is the only thing that keyboard and mouse can interface with. | Oct 19 11:48 |
| oiaohm | Nice when you got something you don't want to switch away form. | Oct 19 11:48 |
| mutx | yes, that would be very handy, I could use that right away. | Oct 19 11:49 |
| cubezzz | ah, and current X do that oiaohm? | Oct 19 11:49 |
| cubezzz | and=can | Oct 19 11:49 |
| mutx | especially for AutoCAD type things, | Oct 19 11:49 |
| oiaohm | If you patch it with MPX support cubezzz | Oct 19 11:49 |
| oiaohm | 7.5 MPX becomes a default feature. | Oct 19 11:49 |
| cubezzz | actually I think I'd rather just use one keyboard for everything unless.... | Oct 19 11:50 |
| cubezzz | I was programming APL or something :) | Oct 19 11:50 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MUOn_nJmRA bit of a low quality MPX video. | Oct 19 11:51 |
| mutx | sure one keyboard, but a number of different pointing devices would be perfect. | Oct 19 11:51 |
| oiaohm | It supports both. | Oct 19 11:52 |
| oiaohm | It also support keyboard and pointing device pairs. What gets fun. | Oct 19 11:53 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz: have you tried superkaramba? :-P | Oct 19 12:17 |
| oiaohm | superkaramba is the experment that lead to plasma in KDE 4 trmanco | Oct 19 12:32 |
| trmanco | yes but you need superkaramba for some widgets to work | Oct 19 12:33 |
| oiaohm | Most superkaramba ones don't. | Oct 19 12:33 |
| oiaohm | Ones that don't work are bugs in plasma. | Oct 19 12:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Already Uses #IDC Study it Paid for to Further Digitally Colonise #India and #Portugal http://ping.fm/PnDnU | Oct 19 12:35 | |
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| trmanco | heh | Oct 19 12:35 |
| trmanco | I just found one then | Oct 19 12:35 |
| trmanco | to run that specific widget I need to start superkaramba | Oct 19 12:36 |
| oiaohm | superkaramba is not really that KDE 4 compadible | Oct 19 12:36 |
| oiaohm | Also has not been updated for over 2 years. | Oct 19 12:37 |
| oiaohm | There becomes a point where you let stuff die and do replacements. | Oct 19 12:38 |
| trmanco | oiaohm: yes | Oct 19 12:39 |
| trmanco | you are right | Oct 19 12:39 |
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| trmanco | I just added another superkaramba widget as a plasmoid and this one works :D | Oct 19 12:40 |
| Will__ | schestowitz: Have you seen this report about the Danger/T-Mobile disaster:http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/15/microsofts-pinkdanger-backup-problem-blamed-on-roz-ho/#more-3877 | Oct 19 12:44 |
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| Will__ | According to this report "the real problem was that a Microsoft manager directed the technicians performing scheduled maintenance to work without a safety net in order to save time and money." | Oct 19 12:45 |
| Will__ | Now, if one could corroborate that... | Oct 19 12:45 |
| Will__ | In any case, it doesn't inspire confidence in Microsoft as a cloud vendor. Especially if that is really how the problem happened. | Oct 19 12:48 |
| mutx | does not inspire confidence in the cloud all together, just cold moist air. IMO. | Oct 19 12:49 |
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| oiaohm | Also looks better trmanco added as a plasmoid | Oct 19 13:03 |
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| amarsh04 | who made the printer whose specifications being kept secrect irked RMS way back when? | Oct 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz | [12:17] <trmanco> schestowitz: have you tried superkaramba? :-P | Oct 19 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Is it not obsolete? | Oct 19 13:39 |
| schestowitz | I used it ages ago, around 2005 | Oct 19 13:39 |
| trmanco | yes, oiaohm told me that it got integrated into plasma | Oct 19 13:42 |
| trmanco | and it did | Oct 19 13:42 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: I think Xerox | Oct 19 13:42 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, I later saw that | Oct 19 13:43 |
| schestowitz | There were other such projects that do widgets | Oct 19 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Jack was one, I think | Oct 19 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Some were intended to be OS X compatible, maybe VIsta-compat too | Oct 19 13:43 |
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| amarsh04 | I thought it was, schestowitz | Oct 19 14:03 |
| oiaohm | trmanco: not exactly intergrate superkaramba is plasmas parent. Plasma is a rewrite of superkaramba with more features. | Oct 19 14:13 |
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| JPerlow | gm | Oct 19 14:24 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Oct 19 14:30 |
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| TheMadHatter | Roy, you there? | Oct 19 14:45 |
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| TheMadHatter | Hm, OK, I know you read this - have you heard any rumors about Mono applications running slower than C/C++ applications? | Oct 19 14:47 |
| TheMadHatter | I've heard annecdotally that this is the case. If it is true, it's something that does need to be commented upon. I have suspicions though about the claim, or rather the source, in that I don't think that the person who told me this is capable of performance testing, and they could be seeing what they want to see. | Oct 19 14:49 |
| TheMadHatter | Since many GNU/Linux installs are on older computers, where the speed difference would be more pronounced, this could be very important. | Oct 19 14:50 |
| amarsh04 | Darl McBride is no longer at SCO: http://biz.yahoo.com/e/091019/scoxq.pk8-k.html | Oct 19 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | TheMadHatter, I've used a few .Net apps, only one was really bad | Oct 19 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | but I suppose you can write a bad app in anything | Oct 19 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | CDBurnerXP used all my 4 gigs of RAM in my old machine and then hung, killing Vista | Oct 19 14:56 |
| amarsh04 | I've burned a dvd successfully in this PII-266 under GNU/Linux where the source hard disk and destination dvd were even on the same ide channel | Oct 19 14:57 |
| amarsh04 | 384 Meg of RAM here | Oct 19 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | hah | Oct 19 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | I had a faster system than that in 1998 :P | Oct 19 14:59 |
| amarsh04 | this is an early 1998 system | Oct 19 15:01 |
| cubezzz | some weird error where dhclient uses 100% cpu | Oct 19 15:05 |
| cubezzz | server people need to watch for that | Oct 19 15:05 |
| oiaohm | Ok DaemonFC I have used CDburnerXP on XP without issues. | Oct 19 15:06 |
| oiaohm | First time I have heard of it killing anything. | Oct 19 15:08 |
| oiaohm | TheMadHatter: Mono applications run a different speeds depending on memory load and kernel. | Oct 19 15:08 |
| oiaohm | Lot of mono applications would beat C and C++ because of a Linux kernel fault were a native applications binary would be pushed out of memory due to it being a mem mapped file even if it was the active application. | Oct 19 15:09 |
| oiaohm | Since mono build form was done on JIT it was in data memory that would be push to swap so avoiding push out. | Oct 19 15:10 |
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| TheMadHatter | I'm a bit skeptical of what I've been told. After all, it could just be someone who has a bad system, or it could be set up improperly, though it's Ubuntu so you'd figure it's pretty standard. | Oct 19 15:21 |
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| DaemonFC | I haven't had anything overrun the 8 gigs of RAM in this thing | Oct 19 15:23 |
| DaemonFC | according to Vista, only about 1.5 gigs is used right now and the rest is cache | Oct 19 15:24 |
| DaemonFC | Craigslist classifieds are funny | Oct 19 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | "Free bag of kid hangers" | Oct 19 15:33 |
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| DaemonFC | a whole bag full of devices to hang kids from? sweet | Oct 19 15:33 |
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| good morning. | Oct 19 15:43 | |
| so, jono. did you do your homework? | Oct 19 15:44 | |
| jono | twitter, on what? | Oct 19 15:45 |
| I don't think you did. You have yet to ask ME anything. | Oct 19 15:45 | |
| jono | we have already been through this | Oct 19 15:45 |
| jono | lets just agree to disagree | Oct 19 15:45 |
| no we have not. | Oct 19 15:45 | |
| jono | ok, well I havent got time to chat now | Oct 19 15:45 |
| you agreed to call me a spammer. | Oct 19 15:45 | |
| jono | no I didnt | Oct 19 15:45 |
| so I'm not a spammer? | Oct 19 15:45 | |
| jono | twitter, I don't know if you are or not | Oct 19 15:46 |
| *DaemonFC is still trying to figure out what jono does | Oct 19 15:46 | |
| well, you had better find the time to ask me about it before you go and tell people that I am. | Oct 19 15:46 | |
| *DaemonFC highly suspects they could deploy jonobot to reply in the affirmative to all questions and redirect to a phantom maintainer who is not even vaguely interested | Oct 19 15:47 | |
| jono | twitter, I have not, and don't plan on, tell anyone that you are either a spammer or not a spammer | Oct 19 15:47 |
| jono | DaemonFC, I work with the Ubuntu community | Oct 19 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | there's one bug that I posted before Jaunty was even finalized that is still open and getting comments, and even had someone attach a patch | Oct 19 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | no interest from anyone that can apply it though | Oct 19 15:48 |
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| jono | DaemonFC, I don't work on engineering bugs, sorry | Oct 19 15:48 |
| Well, then, jono might be a sloppy journalist who maligns people half cocked. We can agree to disagree about that. | Oct 19 15:48 | |
| jono | DaemonFC, maybe ask in #ubuntu-devel | Oct 19 15:48 |
| jono | twitter, how can I malign you if I never mentioned your name or nick? | Oct 19 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | I've given up, I don't deal well with bureacracies | Oct 19 15:49 |
| jono | you keep thinking that I am maligning you, but I never named you | Oct 19 15:49 |
| you mentioned a well known smear piece. | Oct 19 15:49 | |
| you gave it credibility it did not deserve. | Oct 19 15:49 | |
| jono | right, I mentioned it, but I didnt even link to it | Oct 19 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | jono, Every bug I've filed on Fedora has been resolved, in between one day and two weeks depending on how severe it was | Oct 19 15:50 |
| anyone can find it because the trolls have link farmed it. | Oct 19 15:50 | |
| jono | I raised it as a part of the conversation, and if you want to read that as maligning, go ahead | Oct 19 15:50 |
| jono | we had a discussion earlier and you keep harping on this | Oct 19 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | it would be nice to see that kind of follow through in Ubuntu's developers | Oct 19 15:50 |
| at this point, I'm reading it as maligning and malicious. | Oct 19 15:50 | |
| jono | twitter, read it as you like, it was never intended that way, and but you won't listen to me | Oct 19 15:50 |
| jono | so what else do you want me to do? | Oct 19 15:50 |
| jono | do you just want us to discuss this over and over? | Oct 19 15:50 |
| you can ask me about it. | Oct 19 15:50 | |
| jono | you may have the time, but I don't | Oct 19 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not suggesting that my bugs be given special priotiry status or anything, but still open after two releases and almsot 8 months is ridiculous | Oct 19 15:51 |
| and you can repudiate it. | Oct 19 15:51 | |
| jono | twitter, we have been through this | Oct 19 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | especially when there's a patch for it and it's unlikely to break anything else | Oct 19 15:51 |
| we have not gone though this | Oct 19 15:51 | |
| DaemonFC | *priority | Oct 19 15:51 |
| you have not got my side of the story. | Oct 19 15:51 | |
| jono | twitter, this is where I see it: | Oct 19 15:51 |
| without that, your work is malicious. | Oct 19 15:51 | |
| jono | * you think I maligned you because a reference to a spammer with 16 accounts on /. - I never mentioned the link, nor the spammers name or nick, but you think I am maligning you | Oct 19 15:52 |
| jono | * no matter how I say thatI havent, you think I have | Oct 19 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | even Microsoft collects crash reports, tweaks Windows via hotfixes and service packs, and if the issue is serious enough, it will be in the pipeline | Oct 19 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | it's hard to tell if Ubuntu even has a pipeline or priority rating system | Oct 19 15:52 |
| jono | * you want me to apologize, whereas I don't see that I have maligned you as I didnt reference you | Oct 19 15:52 |
| you maligned me by giving credibility to a smear piece and you used that to malign Roy and BN. | Oct 19 15:52 | |
| you did so without doing your homework and without getting my opinion. | Oct 19 15:53 | |
| jono | twitter, I referenced it, thats all | Oct 19 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | twitter, Ubuntu wishes it was Novell or Red Hat | Oct 19 15:53 |
| jono | I did my homework, its just that my homework points to you as a spammer | Oct 19 15:53 |
| for all I know, you wrote it too. | Oct 19 15:53 | |
| DaemonFC | they'll ride anyone's coat tails to get there | Oct 19 15:53 |
| jono | but I realize that these are other people words, hence not naming you directly | Oct 19 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | you can't be a leader if all you do is follow the group | Oct 19 15:53 |
| jono | I simply raised that someone else had written this piece | Oct 19 15:53 |
| jono | DaemonFC, why do you think that? | Oct 19 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | only dead fish swim with the stream all the time, jono | Oct 19 15:54 |
| you should not point to stuff you know is not true. | Oct 19 15:54 | |
| jono | twitter, in that case, I don't know your that your denials are true either | Oct 19 15:54 |
| jono | I have no first hand knowledge either way, hence not naming you either way | Oct 19 15:54 |
| jono | and so far you have done nothing but harass me on this | Oct 19 15:55 |
| jono | and been overly aggressive | Oct 19 15:55 |
| you have not asked me for specifics, so you are showing a blind disregard for the truth. | Oct 19 15:55 | |
| jono | believe what you want to believe, I am done with this conversation | Oct 19 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | jono, It seems like Ubuntu's strategy is to copycat Amazon, Google, Apple, Red Hat, Novell, etc. | Oct 19 15:55 |
| I've been maligned, perhaps maliciously, by someone who is not willing to research or back up their facts. | Oct 19 15:55 | |
| DaemonFC | just take what they have done | Oct 19 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | be it the whole OS or something like Mono | Oct 19 15:55 |
| and if you are done with me, I must conclude that your actions were malicious all along. | Oct 19 15:56 | |
| jono | twitter, you are not maligned when your name is not referenced! | Oct 19 15:56 |
| jono | that is what you don't seem to understand | Oct 19 15:56 |
| we are here and this is published. you continue to malign me | Oct 19 15:56 | |
| jono | my actions were not malicious, I am being clear here | Oct 19 15:56 |
| jono | but I am sick of going around in circles with you | Oct 19 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | if Ubuntu disappeared tomorrow jono, we'd still have 99.8% of development on Linux, X, GNOME, KDE, etc, still going strong | Oct 19 15:56 |
| jono | DaemonFC, we would indeed :) | Oct 19 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | if Red Hat or Novell went under, everyone using Linux would feel that one | Oct 19 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | cause it would take between 11-25% | Oct 19 15:57 |
| jono | DaemonFC, indeed | Oct 19 15:57 |
| if you are sick of going in circles, perhaps you can get somewhere by getting some facts. | Oct 19 15:57 | |
| DaemonFC | jono, so where is Ubuntu going with this? That's what I want to know. Do they plan to stay irrelevent and just duplicate everything that is already out there? | Oct 19 15:58 |
| jono | twitter, ok, whatever | Oct 19 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | Do they plan to do anything new? | Oct 19 15:58 |
| jono | I am done with this conversation | Oct 19 15:58 |
| jono | I would rather spend my efforts making free software better than argue with you | Oct 19 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | they have a lot of unprofitable home users | Oct 19 15:58 |
| then you are malicious. | Oct 19 15:58 | |
| jono | twitter, believe what you want to believe | Oct 19 15:58 |
| I'm not trying to argue at this point, I'm trying to inform. | Oct 19 15:58 | |
| jono | twitter, no you are not | Oct 19 15:58 |
| you are not interested in my side of the story and never were. | Oct 19 15:58 | |
| jono | you are trying to make it seem I was malicious when I was not | Oct 19 15:59 |
| jono | and I didnt open up a conversation with "fuck you" | Oct 19 15:59 |
| jono | twitter, I have heard your side of the story and I politely disagree, but you wont leave it at that | Oct 19 15:59 |
| no, you opened this conversation by calling me a spammer. | Oct 19 15:59 | |
| DaemonFC | They can't become a public company and raise cash because of all the various laws they break in all the countries they would have to be on the stock exchange on | Oct 19 15:59 |
| jono | you wont accept that we see things differently | Oct 19 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | so they're pretty much singlehandedly funded by Shuttleworth | Oct 19 15:59 |
| you have not asked me anything. | Oct 19 15:59 | |
| jono | twitter, I didnt call you a spammer! I didnt reference you! | Oct 19 15:59 |
| you don't know what I did or why. | Oct 19 15:59 | |
| benJIman | Somebody call a whaaaambulance. | Oct 19 16:00 |
| jono | twitter, it doesn matter what I am saying, you are going to think what you think | Oct 19 16:01 |
| I don't think you are listening. | Oct 19 16:01 | |
| jono | twitter, me? | Oct 19 16:01 |
| jono | irony | Oct 19 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | all I can say is that I'm glad I don't own Canonical because it's going down a path that just hemorrhages cash and can't become self-sufficient | Oct 19 16:01 |
| you referenced a smear piece. I could tell you what I did and why, but you are not interested. | Oct 19 16:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Call to Abolish #BECTA , Which Appoints #Microsoft Children’s Parent http://ping.fm/gu9Ae | Oct 19 16:02 | |
| the smear served your purposes and you are done with it. | Oct 19 16:02 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Call to Abolish BECTA, Which Appoints Microsoft Childrens Parent | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 104.04 KB | Oct 19 16:02 |
| that's rather selfish | Oct 19 16:02 | |
| jono | twitter, riiiight | Oct 19 16:02 |
| are you interested in my side of the story or not? | Oct 19 16:02 | |
| DaemonFC | I miss Fedora Legacy to be honest | Oct 19 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | I hate these short upgrade cycles | Oct 19 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | the only benefit to upgrading is if things don't work well where you are at | Oct 19 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | I stayed on Red Hat Linux 9 for years | Oct 19 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | and the LTS releases of Ubuntu don't happen often enough to be useful on a new PC | Oct 19 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | I could put 8.04 on this system if I wanted all my hardware to malfunction or I can wait til, when? next April? | Oct 19 16:04 |
| the only thing you managed to dig out of me last night is that I'm not a developer. I'll go further than that, I don't make a living off IT in any way. I have no dog in this fight at all. | Oct 19 16:05 | |
| I'm not even someone who stands to lose a chunk of their resume | Oct 19 16:05 | |
| I'm just a software user who cares. | Oct 19 16:05 | |
| DaemonFC | twitter, I've seriously borked my Ubuntu install at least every other time I've tried an in place upgrade | Oct 19 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | I've had better luck doing that with Windows | Oct 19 16:05 |
| free software helps me in my work, and I resent Microsoft's attack on it | Oct 19 16:06 | |
| DaemonFC | I wish they'd have a Legacy project for old Ubuntu releases or something like Fedora used to | Oct 19 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | nothing fancy, just bugs, security bugs, and new versions of Firefox and important drivers backported | Oct 19 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora Legacy used to handle that quite nicely | Oct 19 16:07 |
| I think, jono, that your lack of interest shows your intent. You are not interested in my side of this now and you never were. | Oct 19 16:09 | |
| DaemonFC | I don't know, I just feel like with Windows I have more wiggle room with the applications and versions I want installed | Oct 19 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | I don't have anyone force feeding me new versions of things I don't want or making me stay with the old version of something I want upgraded | Oct 19 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | software repositories are a mixed bag | Oct 19 16:10 |
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| jono_ | sorry, my net just went down, just rebooted | Oct 19 16:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Has #SCO Just Kicked #DarlMcBride or Did He Quit? http://ping.fm/gNvgZ #scoisdead | Oct 19 16:14 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Has SCO Just Kicked Darl McBride or Did He Quit? | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 100.74 KB | Oct 19 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | Vista has been up for 1 day 15 hours 32 minutes 20 seconds :P | Oct 19 16:16 |
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| DaemonFC | this terabyte hard drive is really paying off with all the FLAC files I have | Oct 19 16:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSFE Adds Weight to Call for #Mono Resistance http://ping.fm/8TpsS | Oct 19 16:26 | |
| phIRCe | Title: FSFE Adds Weight to Call for Mono Resistance | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 103.27 KB | Oct 19 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | I might as well do some downloading, I was sick and in bed for about 3 weeks of this month | Oct 19 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt I can bring down 250 gigs in a week, so what the hell? hehe | Oct 19 16:30 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Oct 19 16:44 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Sun could assert patents against a fork vendor, which might not even be able to afford to defend itself: http://is.gd/4r34h | Oct 19 16:56 | |
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| oh my. I finished watching that twit tv segment. | Oct 19 17:01 | |
| jono, you could do a better job of promoting Ubuntu | Oct 19 17:01 | |
| I can't believe you let the promotional opportunity pass you by. | Oct 19 17:01 | |
| The FOSS show guy bragged about how "fantastic" Windows looked and basically said Ubuntu was unpossible in the role. | Oct 19 17:02 | |
| That's the kind of challenge that should have Ubuntu promising men and materials to fix. | Oct 19 17:03 | |
| Unless you really think Ubuntu is second rate, that's a chance to say, "of course you can use Ubuntu for this and it will work better in a lot of ways." | Oct 19 17:04 | |
| "We'll set you up next week." | Oct 19 17:04 | |
| sebsebseb | twitter: Got links? | Oct 19 17:04 |
| search Boycott Novell for it. | Oct 19 17:05 | |
| I downloaded the ogg, which had a little sync problem, there's also a direct link to an mp4. | Oct 19 17:05 | |
| I think Roy put it up on the 16th or so. | Oct 19 17:06 | |
| it's sad. Jono was so busy telling people how harmful Roy is to free software that he let that Windows user walk all over Ubuntu. | Oct 19 17:06 | |
| sebsebseb | twitter: So some Free Open Souce Software guy said Windows looks better? | Oct 19 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is basically the Windows of Linux | Oct 19 17:07 |
| Yep. Twit TV, the FOSS show. | Oct 19 17:07 | |
| DaemonFC | it sucks but everything gets packaged for it | Oct 19 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | the sheer number of users make it gain new users | Oct 19 17:07 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: well Linspire/Lindows used to be the Windows of Linux distros | Oct 19 17:07 |
| sebsebseb | or Freespire even, is that still about? | Oct 19 17:07 |
| Ubuntu should be the OS of the FOSS show. | Oct 19 17:07 | |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Linspire wasn't awful, for the time | Oct 19 17:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Continues Eating #Microsoft ’s Lunch http://ping.fm/m41CG | Oct 19 17:08 | |
| sebsebseb | Xandros bought out Linspire, so does Freespire still exist? | Oct 19 17:08 |
| phIRCe | Title: Google Continues Eating Microsofts Lunch | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 111.45 KB | Oct 19 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Oct 19 17:08 |
| I'm sure that Canonical can make it look every bit as good as Winblows does. | Oct 19 17:08 | |
| DaemonFC | Freespire 3 will be based on Debian | Oct 19 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | not on Ubuntu | Oct 19 17:08 |
| sebsebseb | twitter: well nearly, but they realy do suck for default eye candy it's true | Oct 19 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | Freespire users seem to be getting dicked around | Oct 19 17:08 |
| Yes, Windows looks like ass. | Oct 19 17:09 | |
| sebsebseb | Don't even have a Grub splash screen theme, like uhmm pretty much every other distro I have tried, if not all of them | Oct 19 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | 1 >2 was a format and reinstall and it looks like 2 > 3 will be too | Oct 19 17:09 |
| sebsebseb | twitter: no I meant Ubuntu not Windows | Oct 19 17:09 |
| Just about anyone can take a picture | Oct 19 17:09 | |
| sebsebseb | Vista and Vista Version 2 Windows 7, have pretty nice default eye candy | Oct 19 17:09 |
| that looks better than Windows | Oct 19 17:09 | |
| sebsebseb | XP isn't that bad either when it comes to default looks | Oct 19 17:09 |
| Vista looks like a cheap coffin. | Oct 19 17:09 | |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, I use Mallard as my theme on XP | Oct 19 17:09 |
| which is what it was. | Oct 19 17:09 | |
| DaemonFC | the old watercolor theme from the betas | Oct 19 17:09 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Oct 19 17:09 |
| sebsebseb | I don't know about that one | Oct 19 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, It looks good, and it's a lot faster than Luna | Oct 19 17:10 |
| the default "piano black" ugly | Oct 19 17:10 | |
| Windows 7 almost looks as nice as KDE 3.5 | Oct 19 17:10 | |
| almost | Oct 19 17:10 | |
| sebsebseb | yes Vista's black theme, I don't like it much either, but it's boot up and shut down splash screens, now those are nice. also no I don't mean the one where it doesn't even say Vista on it | Oct 19 17:10 |
| It's not hard for Ubuntu to beat that. | Oct 19 17:10 | |
| sebsebseb | when the OS is actsaully loading | Oct 19 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | except that KDE 3.5 didn't have a real compositor | Oct 19 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | or window tranparency | Oct 19 17:11 |
| jar | I'd like to see someone fork 3.5 | Oct 19 17:11 |
| well, gotta go. It's never too late jono. Give the people at Twit TV a call and set them up with something nice. | Oct 19 17:11 | |
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| sebsebseb | yeah that I never liked, Vista loading, but just saying Microsoft Coroportaiton on the black screen with a little effect, rather than Vista as well | Oct 19 17:11 |
| sebsebseb | XP's have both, that screen even got changed in service pack 2 | Oct 19 17:12 |
| sebsebseb | the first one would say it's booting up home or pro, where as in SP2, it says XP is loading yeah | Oct 19 17:12 |
| sebsebseb | the little things matter | Oct 19 17:12 |
| sebsebseb | they do | Oct 19 17:12 |
| sebsebseb | little eye candy things | Oct 19 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, before SP2, the XP boot screen said which version you had | Oct 19 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | Home Edition or Professional | Oct 19 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | after SP2 it just said Windows XP | Oct 19 17:12 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu/Canonical don't seem to care that much about default eye candy, ,but yet it's the most used distro on the desktop, even though people have been complaining here and there about the default looks | Oct 19 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | I always used Professional, myself | Oct 19 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | Home Edition wasn't worth bothering with | Oct 19 17:13 |
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| DaemonFC | OEM pricing for Home and Pro are about the same | Oct 19 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | I think Pro is/was like $20 more | Oct 19 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | I am used to the brown/yellow theme for Gnome in Ubuntu, it's other things, when I say the eye candy can be better, default backgrounds and stuff | Oct 19 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | but it had so much extra stuff that Home didn't that you may as well have it, and it supported dual socket boards, Home doesn't | Oct 19 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | I had one of those at the time | Oct 19 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | the Windows home editions let you use as many cores on one phyical CPU as you want | Oct 19 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: I think XP is going to stay on many, many computers, untill 2012 or 2014 | Oct 19 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | but actual dual CPU setups need Pro | Oct 19 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, XP x64 has the same support lifecycle as regular XP | Oct 19 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Maybe Ubuntu 12.04 the next LTS after 10.04, maybe that one can properly compete against Windows :D | Oct 19 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | so it will actually outlive 2003 Server even though that's what it is based on | Oct 19 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | XP x64 is extremely stable | Oct 19 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | I still use it | Oct 19 17:16 |
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| *schestowitz thinks jono_ does not know what "spammer" is | Oct 19 17:16 | |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft won't let you install Windows Live Messenger on XP x64, but if you an get all the MSI files you need, those will install manually | Oct 19 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | I've even got most of the rest of the Windows Live suite installed that way | Oct 19 17:17 |
| skreuzer | seems like his definition of a spammer is pretty accurate | Oct 19 17:17 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Windows Live Messenger sucks, but yet a lot of people are locked in to it big time | Oct 19 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, I moved over to it after Yahoo really started sucking | Oct 19 17:17 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Time to go Jabber :) | Oct 19 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | Yahoo has always sucked, but their messenger version 9 is just totally piggish | Oct 19 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | whorebars, bigger ads, more annoying pop up ad "welcome screen" you can't turn off | Oct 19 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | takes 160-ish megs of RAM | Oct 19 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Also use Desktop Linux a lot more :) by the sounds of it, you use XP quite a lot hmm | Oct 19 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, XP Pro x64 and Vista Home Premium x64 right now | Oct 19 17:19 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: oh dear | Oct 19 17:19 |
| sebsebseb | in a way | Oct 19 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | I much prefer XP x64 whenever I can get away with it | Oct 19 17:19 |
| sebsebseb | meaning? | Oct 19 17:19 |
| sebsebseb | yeah why do you use them? | Oct 19 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft has been bribing companies to drop support for it though so there's a few things that just won't run | Oct 19 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | they have bogus functionality tests that test for Vista features they don't actually use | Oct 19 17:20 |
| sebsebseb | well they want people to be getting Vista version 2 now | Oct 19 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, I have Windows 7 coming in the mail next month | Oct 19 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | cause I bought a system with the "free" upgrade offer | Oct 19 17:21 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: sounds like your locked into Microsoft :( ,but yet your here for whatever reason/s | Oct 19 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | Vista is basically just a placeholder on this box | Oct 19 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | I only have to deal with it for 5 weeks | Oct 19 17:21 |
| sebsebseb | Novell have done some good stuff for Linux, what has Microsoft done that is good for Linux, nothing? | Oct 19 17:21 |
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| DaemonFC | I used the RTM version of Windows 7 on my last system since June | Oct 19 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | it's a lot better than Vista but I still have complaints about it | Oct 19 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | Windows is getting less technically deficient and more deficient because of holllywood DRM and such | Oct 19 17:22 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Why you getting one in the mail? and complaints such as? | Oct 19 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, System came with a coupon in the box for free Windows 7 Home Premium x64 disc | Oct 19 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | it's not costing me anything I haven't already paid | Oct 19 17:22 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: oh right I see | Oct 19 17:23 |
| schestowitz | On the Internet, words like "Troll" and "Spammers" have come to be words like "terrorist" that simply refer to _anything you don't like_. | Oct 19 17:23 |
| sebsebseb | a new PC so yeah the free upgrade? | Oct 19 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, The Media Center DRMs your cable TV | Oct 19 17:23 |
| schestowitz | !google schneier cheapening word terrorism | Oct 19 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | which is majorly bogus/heinous | Oct 19 17:23 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Schneier on Security: The Continuing Cheapening of the Word ... | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/08/the_continuing_2.html | Oct 19 17:23 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Schneier on Security: The Continued Cheapening of the Word "Terrorism" | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/07/the_continued_c.html | Oct 19 17:23 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Road rage = "terroristic threat" - Cyclelicious | http://www.cyclelicio.us/2009/08/road-rage-terroristic-threat.html | Oct 19 17:23 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Blogs October 2009 - ACM Queue | http://queue.acm.org/blogs.cfm%3Farchdate%3D%26theblog%3D4 | Oct 19 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | Vista doesn't do that | Oct 19 17:23 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: VIsta doesn't do what? | Oct 19 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, Yeah, PCs purchased after June 24th have the upgrade coupon | Oct 19 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | otherwise new PC sales would stop til they had Windows 7 on them | Oct 19 17:23 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: I read it's July 1st, and it won't be all PC's | Oct 19 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | so they have to do the express upgrade program to keep new PCs selling | Oct 19 17:24 |
| sebsebseb | some people think that everyone that bought VIsta should get a free upgrade to Windows 7, but Microsoft aren't that nice | Oct 19 17:24 |
| sebsebseb | well they aren't nice at all really, they are a money sucking for profit, vender lockin company | Oct 19 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, I happen to think that people that bought Windows Vista Ultimate, ideally, would get a full refund, a free Windows 7 disc, and a signed apology letter from Bill Gates himself | Oct 19 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | I've seen it and I wasn't impressed | Oct 19 17:25 |
| sebsebseb | I got VIsta Home Premium it's ok, but I am not exactly impressed with it | Oct 19 17:25 |
| sebsebseb | however | Oct 19 17:25 |
| sebsebseb | it's default eye candy | Oct 19 17:25 |
| sebsebseb | is better than XP :) | Oct 19 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | for $320, it should have had a lot more of those Ultimate Extras | Oct 19 17:25 |
| sebsebseb | over all | Oct 19 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | they got screwed without lube | Oct 19 17:26 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: lube? | Oct 19 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | I liked Vista Business the best | Oct 19 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | but no media features and no HD movie maker, no DVD codec, etc | Oct 19 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | easy enough to replace | Oct 19 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, lubrication | Oct 19 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | Vista Ultimate = no lube | Oct 19 17:27 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: what's that? | Oct 19 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | ugggh | Oct 19 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | n/m | Oct 19 17:27 |
| sebsebseb | a word I should look up maybe hmm? :D | Oct 19 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Oct 19 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | but there's really no reason to have Business anymore as a home user unless you just really need that fax software :P | Oct 19 17:28 |
| sebsebseb | if I want Windows, well XP in a vm | Oct 19 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | the Encrypting File System is weak | Oct 19 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | nobody uses dual socket motherboards now really | Oct 19 17:28 |
| chm | schestowitz: I'm not a regular here (or with boycottnovell.com), but I wanted to say, that I didn't liked the way you got ambushed at FLOSS weekly. Ir's not fair to press you for an apology without an open evaluation of you work. I hope you will continue your mission. | Oct 19 17:29 |
| sebsebseb | if I want 3D Windows gaming or something, well not sure if this computer can handle it, with a VM Virtualbox 3.0+ w hich has some support | Oct 19 17:29 |
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| Omar87 | Hi | Oct 19 17:29 |
| sebsebseb | and 1GB RAM, and I can't vm my Vista DVD it seems, but if I want to do the above, I can do it in a psyical install | Oct 19 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | I'd use Truecrypt if I needed drive encryption | Oct 19 17:30 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, can you give me some links about how Microsoft destroyed the OLPC project? | Oct 19 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | that works fine on Windows Home Edition | Oct 19 17:30 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: I am happy enough just skipping Windows 7 as much as possible :D | Oct 19 17:30 |
| sebsebseb | I think | Oct 19 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, I would skip it if I wasn't getting it as an express upgrade or with a new PC | Oct 19 17:30 |
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| DaemonFC | most of the important things are being backported to Vista anyway | Oct 19 17:30 |
| sebsebseb | I might end up using a computer in the future where it has been psyically installed, and then end up using it | Oct 19 17:31 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Most of the important things are being backported to Vista aye? | Oct 19 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | there's gonna be a Vista Platform Update in a month or so which brings Vista users DirectX 11, the Ribbon engine, a bunch of other stuff | Oct 19 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Media Player 12 will certainly be ported | Oct 19 17:31 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: the ribbon engine, the blue thing in Windows 7? | Oct 19 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | IE 8 is already there if anyone cares | Oct 19 17:32 |
| sebsebseb | yeah I know IE 8 is already for Vista | Oct 19 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, Yeah, but it won't bring the Windows 7 user interface though | Oct 19 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | it's jsut there so apps that use it will work on Vista | Oct 19 17:32 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: yeah bingo, what they mainly end up selling really is the user interface | Oct 19 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | there may yet be a Vista SP3 before it's out of support in 2012 | Oct 19 17:33 |
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| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: XP will stop being supported in 2014 unless it gets exended, and they want business users to leave it in 2012 by the latest | Oct 19 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | so I'd say if your computer is already over a year old, just skip Windows 7 on it and don't bother with a new Windows til you get a new PC | Oct 19 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather put the $120 towards a new PC fund anyway | Oct 19 17:34 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: you sure you meant 2012 for Vista? | Oct 19 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Oct 19 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | Vista dies in 2012 for home users | Oct 19 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | 2017 for Business | Oct 19 17:34 |
| sebsebseb | hmm | Oct 19 17:34 |
| sebsebseb | that's before XP dies | Oct 19 17:34 |
| sebsebseb | also | Oct 19 17:34 |
| sebsebseb | that proves it yet again | Oct 19 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | Home users don't get the 5 years of Extended support | Oct 19 17:34 |
| sebsebseb | that Microsoft only really care about business users | Oct 19 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | XP users all do | Oct 19 17:34 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yet all these ignorant consumers going Windows hmm | Oct 19 17:35 |
| sebsebseb | ,because their PC was pre installed with it etc | Oct 19 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, a lot of small businesses that use Ultimate are screwed too | Oct 19 17:35 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: why? | Oct 19 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft deemed it a Home product even though lots of small businesses got it cause it has Bitlocker and a few other things Business doesn't | Oct 19 17:35 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: No I think it was meant to be both, hence a business version etc, but then most companies didn't upgrade to it | Oct 19 17:36 |
| sebsebseb | so it ended up mainly a home product | Oct 19 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | so small businesses that got Ultimate cause it had some of the Enterprise Edition features they needed (but was much cheaper) get the axe in 2012, even though it's the most expensive retail Vista | Oct 19 17:36 |
| sebsebseb | there's VIsta Enterprise as well I think | Oct 19 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | Ultimate has the Bitlocker support and support for up to 128 gigs of RAM | Oct 19 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | Business supports 32 gigs of RAM I believe, and no Bitlocker | Oct 19 17:37 |
| sebsebseb | Ultimate can run on 128GB RAM what? or you mean just bitlocker? | Oct 19 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft caps the max RAM you can use in each edition | Oct 19 17:37 |
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| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Microsoft decides? | Oct 19 17:38 |
| sebsebseb | not how bloated the software is or not? | Oct 19 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | Basic supports 8 gigs, Home Premium supports 16, Business supports 32, and Ultimate and Enterprise support 128 | Oct 19 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | it's an artificial limitation | Oct 19 17:38 |
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| DaemonFC | X86-64 supports a lot more than 128 gigs | Oct 19 17:38 |
| sebsebseb | anyway that's the problem with propritary software, they basically do whatever they want, and we have no proper say | Oct 19 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | it's an antifeature | Oct 19 17:39 |
| sebsebseb | a community of users and proggrammers, that's good, opensource/freesoftware yeah | Oct 19 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | they make a crippled edition so that they can sell it to a market like home users that don't typically hit those limits | Oct 19 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | but it forces business users to pay several times as much | Oct 19 17:40 |
| sebsebseb | well they have a proper crippled edition of Windows VIsta and Windows 7 | Oct 19 17:40 |
| sebsebseb | it's called the starter edition | Oct 19 17:40 |
| sebsebseb | for the developing world and that, can only run three programs at once, it's rather cheap as well | Oct 19 17:40 |
| sebsebseb | again proves, they only really care where big money is, that's locking companies in | Oct 19 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the reason to cripple 7 Starter is so you don't get it for $3 and use it as a server | Oct 19 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Oct 19 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | obviously | Oct 19 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/9307/88248827.png | Oct 19 17:41 |
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| DaemonFC | my XP system | Oct 19 17:41 |
| sebsebseb | where as opensource/freesoftware treat users pretty much the same, if they are a home user or business user etc, and that's a good thing | Oct 19 17:41 |
| sebsebseb | you pay for support, or you get it from a community or whatever, with opensource/freesoftware and if you want what would be the business version for most stuff at home, no problem you can do that, or the server version or whatever | Oct 19 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/911/32248986.png | Oct 19 17:42 |
| sebsebseb | for most stuff | Oct 19 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | Royale Noir | Oct 19 17:42 |
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| DaemonFC | you can do a lot of things after you crack the theme engine :P | Oct 19 17:42 |
| sebsebseb | when is 7 meant to not be supported anymore? | Oct 19 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | 5 years after release | Oct 19 17:43 |
| MinceR | not ever | Oct 19 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | so around October of 2014 | Oct 19 17:43 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: for both home and ubsiness? | Oct 19 17:43 |
| sebsebseb | business | Oct 19 17:43 |
| MinceR | unless you call what they normally do "support" :> | Oct 19 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 Home will die off about 3 months after XP | Oct 19 17:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Jeb Bush? http://post.ly/9FV1 | Oct 19 17:44 | |
| DaemonFC | Business will last til 2019 in Extended support | Oct 19 17:44 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Meaning exactly? :D | Oct 19 17:44 |
| MinceR | well, not much | Oct 19 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | XP will outlive Vista and go on to die about the same time as Windows 7 | Oct 19 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | that's kind of sick | Oct 19 17:44 |
| MinceR | iirc DaemonFC talked about what m$'s "free" (as in not separately paid) phone support is like :> | Oct 19 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, Wine is getting a lot better http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/9955/65527352.png | Oct 19 17:45 |
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| DaemonFC | that's under Fedora on my old box | Oct 19 17:45 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: indeed and maybe by 2014, Wine and ReactOS will be rather well :D | Oct 19 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I usually just call back til I get one that properly speaks English | Oct 19 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | usually takes 5-10 tries | Oct 19 17:45 |
| MinceR | :D | Oct 19 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | Wine has a pretty damned good/solid DirectX 9 implementation | Oct 19 17:46 |
| sebsebseb | oh most Linux distros are great, a new version after 6 months or a year or so, and can legally upgrade for free without any issues normalley, can this be done normalley with propritary software nope | Oct 19 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, I could end up with quite a few operating systems installed just out of curiousity or because one works better than the other | Oct 19 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, I have | Oct 19 17:47 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: yep Wine and virtual machine software are getting there for 3D Windows games | Oct 19 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | this system alon has XP x64, Vista x64, PC-BSD, and Ubuntu Karmic | Oct 19 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | I spend most of my time in Vista for whatever unholy reason | Oct 19 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | all that is needed really is a good host OS, and for those of us that aren't happy enough with the host, vm some other with enough RAM :D | Oct 19 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | others above | Oct 19 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not saying I love it, it's just like an old shoe that fits after all these years | Oct 19 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: in a way you suck, since you mainly use Windows :D heh heh | Oct 19 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | well, I have used every version of Windows since like 3.0 | Oct 19 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | so I am used to it | Oct 19 17:49 |
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| DaemonFC | well, not really used til Windows 95 | Oct 19 17:49 |
| sebsebseb | well ReactOS is the open source version of WIndows basicalley, still early development hmm, but when it's more ready, that will be interesting | Oct 19 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 3.x was just something useless that came with the PC that ran Microsoft Office | Oct 19 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Oct 19 17:50 |
| sebsebseb | yeah not enough devs for ReactOS hmm | Oct 19 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | DOS was where all the games were | Oct 19 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | my Compaq came with DR-DOS | Oct 19 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | this was years before Compaq was owned by HP or some bargain basement Walmart crap | Oct 19 17:51 |
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| DaemonFC | bbiab, shower | Oct 19 17:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Fwd: These young folks today... [pic] - http://bit.ly/UaDTz. http://ff.im/a7R5C | Oct 19 17:56 | |
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| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: I guess 7's support will get exetnded like XP's if enough people end up using it | Oct 19 17:56 |
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| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: XP was meant to be not supported anymore in 2010, but got extended to 2014 | Oct 19 17:56 |
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| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, Most of XP's extension was brought on by Vista getting delayed for 3 years | Oct 19 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | then people not liking Vista and deciding to skip it | Oct 19 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 is NT 6.1 for a reason | Oct 19 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | it really is just a point upgrade to Vista | Oct 19 18:05 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: yeah I know | Oct 19 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | it does improve some things but it's not a full upgrade and I think it should probably be half price for what it offers | Oct 19 18:06 |
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| DaemonFC | I used the RTM version for about three months and it's definitely not a major upgrade | Oct 19 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | I've been telling people not to bother unless it comes with a new computer | Oct 19 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: I guess in 2012/2014 there will be a new version out | Oct 19 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Do you do IT support? | Oct 19 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I don't think Microsoft is going to get as ambitious as they did between XP and Vista | Oct 19 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | it just doesn't pay off to release a train wreck that nobody wants to use after paying people for 6 years to work on it | Oct 19 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, I have as part of a previous job | Oct 19 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | Vista was a disaster for the Rent A Center I worked at | Oct 19 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | everyone hated it, returns easily doubled | Oct 19 18:10 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Rent A Centre? | Oct 19 18:10 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: saw your first screenshot looks alright | Oct 19 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | rent to own thing | Oct 19 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: I calll Xchat/noobchat though | Oct 19 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | uh | Oct 19 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | I call Xchat noobchat that was meant to say | Oct 19 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | I estimated once that the launch of Vista cost our store alone at least $30,000 | Oct 19 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | since most of the noobs use it on Ubuntu and that :D | Oct 19 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | look at the options on Windows | Oct 19 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: yeah I know done that before, not much really | Oct 19 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | the rest look like they were designed by a 5th grader using VB.Net | Oct 19 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | mirc is popular on Windows, but I hear that's worse | Oct 19 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: is that the actsaul Xchat or that Xchat 2 thing? | Oct 19 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | Silverex build | Oct 19 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | kind of buggy | Oct 19 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: well you could do chatzilla in Firefox :D | Oct 19 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | a bit limiting though | Oct 19 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | I don't feel like cracking the real one again | Oct 19 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: nauhtey naughtey | Oct 19 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | oh to hell with that guy | Oct 19 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | he's in violation of the GPL license | Oct 19 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | why do I care if I'm violating his? | Oct 19 18:13 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Oct 19 18:13 |
| sebsebseb | yeah there's a paid one and an open source one or hwaetver | Oct 19 18:14 |
| sebsebseb | whatever | Oct 19 18:14 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: this channel gets publically logged btw | Oct 19 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | only on Windows | Oct 19 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, so? | Oct 19 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | screw Peter Zelezny, to hell with Peter Zelezny, may Peter Zelezny burn in hell!!! Zed Zed Zed!!!! Xchat | Oct 19 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | well some of us woudnt want to put certain stuff in a publically logged channel | Oct 19 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Oct 19 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | I don't care | Oct 19 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: I am thinking to hell with Microsoft :D | Oct 19 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | well not exactly | Oct 19 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | he's in violation of the GPL so he's not one to talk | Oct 19 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Oct 19 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | 2014 isn't that far away really, and XP and Vista will no longer be supported hmm | Oct 19 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | he linked his shareware enforcement code which is not GPL or open source to GPL'd code | Oct 19 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | and they will be trying to get people to buy and get locked in to whatever their next one is hmm | Oct 19 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | so therefore, he's in violation | Oct 19 18:16 |
| sebsebseb | yeah well Cededga annoyed the Wine people as well | Oct 19 18:16 |
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| sebsebseb | ,but they weren't in voilation of anything at the time I think | Oct 19 18:16 |
| sebsebseb | Cedega above typeos | Oct 19 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: as for IRC, yep loads of great clients for Linux | Oct 19 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | no, they forked the last Wine release that was MIT licensed | Oct 19 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: ok which meant what exactly? I don't really know the story | Oct 19 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | Wine wasn't under LGPL when they forked it | Oct 19 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | MIT license is kind of like BSD | Oct 19 18:18 |
| trmanco | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/9u9il/monomania/ | Oct 19 18:20 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] back from interview. tube buggered. ghod i feel like poop. two more tomorrow. kill meeeeeee. then give me MONEY. | Oct 19 18:22 | |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: on those screenshots is that you? | Oct 19 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Oct 19 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: How old? | Oct 19 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: oh the second one says email Mozilla Thunderbird, but has the Outlook Express icon hmm | Oct 19 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | 23 when I took that one I think | Oct 19 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | 25 now | Oct 19 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, XP has a weird bug where you need to clear the icon cache sometimes | Oct 19 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | or else it starts getting the wrong icons on things | Oct 19 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: oh EA game in Wine yeah hmm, shame EA don't make natively for Linux, and Sim City 4 works rather well in Wine now, that's probably been quite a while even | Oct 19 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, EA officially supports Cedega and Cider but Wine is compatible with a lot of copy restriction software now | Oct 19 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | including most versions of Sony SecuROM | Oct 19 18:27 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: What's cider? | Oct 19 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | Mac version of Cedega | Oct 19 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | only they support it a lot better | Oct 19 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | it works better on Mac? | Oct 19 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | Cedega is usually months behind Cider | Oct 19 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Oct 19 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | Cedega is also hmm since what was said ealrier | Oct 19 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | really EA should be supporting Crossover Games, and ideally Wine :) | Oct 19 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | or as I already said making native for Linux :) | Oct 19 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | EA has been Windows only for years | Oct 19 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | it's really all they do | Oct 19 18:30 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: screw EA games really, but thing is they make a lot of good games hmm | Oct 19 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | they have a few, none good enough to put up with some of the copy restriction DRM they push | Oct 19 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | including only being allowed to install the game 5 times in some cases | Oct 19 18:31 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: well need more open source games that can rival the commercial games, by the sounds of it there is at least one currently in development | Oct 19 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | there's a few open source engines out there | Oct 19 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | way behind commercial ones though | Oct 19 18:33 |
| sebsebseb | something else that really annoys me when it comes to Linux and Windows Games, is all that ignorant that Linux sucks for it | Oct 19 18:33 |
| sebsebseb | that Linux sucks for gaming | Oct 19 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | the best one I've seen is what Nexuiz uses and that would still take a lot of work to make commercial quality | Oct 19 18:33 |
| sebsebseb | nonese there are some rather good native games out there, and can get a lot of stuff working in Wine etc | Oct 19 18:33 |
| sebsebseb | nonsense above | Oct 19 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | commercial quality heh, well there is a lot of commercial software out there to, that is rubbish really | Oct 19 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | Nexuiz isn't even going to compete with Bethesda's Oblivion engine that was out in 2006 | Oct 19 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | so how is it going to compete with newere ones than that? | Oct 19 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | *newer | Oct 19 18:35 |
| P|scean | yeah, im a gamer and linux games are horrible.. | Oct 19 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | really Linux users should stop playing Windows games, buy a games console and games for that instead or something | Oct 19 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | it's not a good thing to support Windows only software really | Oct 19 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | or maybe Windows and Mac only software even | Oct 19 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | Mac mostly gets Windows hand me downs | Oct 19 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | there really aren't many exclusives | Oct 19 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | and more people should know that Windows can be a useful tool to have inside a Linux distro in a virtual machine | Oct 19 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | well more people going Desktop Linux as time goes on so :D | Oct 19 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | the original Vista EULA said no using it in a VM unless you had Ultimate | Oct 19 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Oct 19 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | it was revised | Oct 19 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | oh yeah now I remember | Oct 19 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | didn't know it got changed though | Oct 19 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz doesn't seem to be that active in here today | Oct 19 18:39 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: sure | Oct 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | [17:30] <Omar87> schestowitz, can you give me some links about how Microsoft destroyed the OLPC project? | Oct 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/OLPC | Oct 19 18:49 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz, thanks. | Oct 19 18:49 |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: yes, busy doing a long post about Vista 7 ATM | Oct 19 18:51 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: from Reddit: | Oct 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | * | Oct 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | harlows_monkeys -4 points-3 points-2 points 3 days ago[+] (0 children) | Oct 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | harlows_monkeys -4 points-3 points-2 points 3 days ago[-] | Oct 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | "ad hominem" is not normally spelled "excellent". | Oct 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw has gone downhill lately. Did you see the recent article on Psystar and the Autodesk case? Unlike pretty much everyone else involved in free software law, Groklaw thinks the Autodesk case is a disaster for the GPL. Groklaw thinks the Psystar case is really some secret hidden attack on free software, even though no nothing more than speculation has been offered to prove this. | Oct 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | harlows_monkeys is the Microsoft troll from COLA, "Tim Smith" | Oct 19 18:52 |
| trmanco | LOL | Oct 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | He stalks me with these accounts | Oct 19 18:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Photo: Lightning (via KevinAker) http://tumblr.com/xkj3ldw4v | Oct 19 18:54 | |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: good time to do one I guess, since the proper public release is soon | Oct 19 18:55 |
| trmanco | twitter is half b0rked again | Oct 19 18:57 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Kernel Log: Coming in 2.6.32 (Part 1) – Network subsystem and network drivers: http://is.gd/4rbKr | Oct 19 18:57 | |
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| trmanco | I can't receive updates :| | Oct 19 18:57 |
| qsheets | :( | Oct 19 19:17 |
| qsheets | that sux | Oct 19 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | my brain has finished rebooting from the seizures I think | Oct 19 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | that only took a few weeks | Oct 19 19:18 |
| qsheets | lol | Oct 19 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | who knew it ran Vista? :D | Oct 19 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | my it runs Windows 7 and the second one was when it attempted to run chkdsk | Oct 19 19:18 |
| qsheets | i was just gonna ask you that lol | Oct 19 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | *maybe | Oct 19 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | so much for solid state memory | Oct 19 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | I knew I got gypped on this brain | Oct 19 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | maybe I should take it back to Best Buy | Oct 19 19:20 |
| qsheets | DaemonFC: didn't you get it on sale at Circuit City | Oct 19 19:21 |
| jmpnop | hmm, mono is default on ubuntu I see | Oct 19 19:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #Microsoft ‘Mouthpiece Theatre’ Starts the #Vista7 #Marketing Blitz http://ping.fm/MQbO1 | Oct 19 19:22 | |
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| DaemonFC | Why the HELL do people bother to use FLAC if they can't even check for popping, clicking, and skipping? | Oct 19 19:22 |
| jmpnop | I was half expecting a BSOD while executing the `complete removal` command | Oct 19 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | What if the horrible truth is that our brains really do run on Windows and that's why the average man thinks of sex once every 3 seconds | Oct 19 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | spyware and porn popups | Oct 19 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | well, mens brains must anyway | Oct 19 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | I think Women are more like Macs because they're so high maintainence and there's just no explaining why anyone would want to live with one for years | Oct 19 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Just got this: | Oct 19 19:24 |
| schestowitz | "Re: free advert for MICROS~1" | Oct 19 19:24 |
| schestowitz | > Tim Paterson writes "Anyone who uses Microsoft's Windows has spent | Oct 19 19:24 |
| schestowitz | > substantial chunks of time staring at its progressively prettier | Oct 19 19:24 |
| schestowitz | > start-up screens. As we prepare to get used to a new one, with the | Oct 19 19:24 |
| schestowitz | > release of Windows 7, how many of these do you remember? .. | Oct 19 19:24 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 19 19:24 |
| schestowitz | > OS/2, the powerful business operating system developed by IBM and | Oct 19 19:24 |
| schestowitz | > Microsoft, with which IBM planned to regain control of the PC market | Oct 19 19:24 |
| schestowitz | > from pesky generic MS-DOS machines. But that idea was much more | Oct 19 19:24 |
| schestowitz | > attractive to Big Blue than to its customers, so instead it was | Oct 19 19:24 |
| schestowitz | > blindsided by..." | Oct 19 19:24 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 19 19:24 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gallery/2009/oct/16/windows-microsoft | Oct 19 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Grauniad advert | Oct 19 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | Best Buy sells Macs you know? A whole section of the store | Oct 19 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | kind of puzzles me as to why though | Oct 19 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | they can't rip you off on antivirus suite sales and there's no software instock to sell you for them | Oct 19 19:26 |
| MinceR | selling macs in itself is the ripoff. | Oct 19 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I agree, but all of that money is going to Apple | Oct 19 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | where's Best Buy's motivation? | Oct 19 19:26 |
| MinceR | Worst Buy can get its cut | Oct 19 19:27 |
| MinceR | if the items cost more, the price gap is bigger too | Oct 19 19:27 |
| MinceR | also, crApple fanboys will pay any amount | Oct 19 19:27 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/19/time_capsule_death/ | Oct 19 19:28 |
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| DaemonFC | my 360 is being shipped back | Oct 19 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | maybe I can finish Mass Effect before it overheats again | Oct 19 19:28 |
| schestowitz |  | Oct 19 19:28 |
| schestowitz | [19:25] <DaemonFC> Best Buy sells Macs you know? A whole section of the store | Oct 19 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Yes, i exaggerated | Oct 19 19:28 |
| schestowitz | They also sold Ubuntu for $20 | Oct 19 19:28 |
| schestowitz | But the adjacent links show what it's all about (the grind) | Oct 19 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | $20 too much | Oct 19 19:28 |
| schestowitz | +support | Oct 19 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Telephone | Oct 19 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Maybe an experimental thing (2007) | Oct 19 19:29 |
| schestowitz | !google digg best buy ubuntu $20 | Oct 19 19:29 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Best Buy selling Ubuntu linux for $20 | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Best_Buy_selling_Ubuntu_linux_for_20 | Oct 19 19:29 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Best Buy Sells Ubuntu for Only $19.99USD | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Best_Buy_Sells_Ubuntu_for_Only_19_99USD | Oct 19 19:29 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Best Buy selling Ubuntu linux for $20 - Ubuntu Forums | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php%3Ft%3D853139 | Oct 19 19:29 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Ubuntu Box Distro Hits Consumer Electronics Stores For $20, Still ... | http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/ubuntu_box_distro_hits_consumer_electronics_stores | Oct 19 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Oh, my bad. 19.99 | Oct 19 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Welcome to the United States. Where "9" is the most common digit in pricing tags | Oct 19 19:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/19/wuss_men/ | Oct 19 19:31 |
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| Ender2070 | DaemonFC is so noobish, reading his previous statements is giving me a headache | Oct 19 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | stuff it | Oct 19 19:46 |
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| MinceR | 203022 < schestowitz> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/19/wuss_men/ | Oct 19 19:47 |
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| MinceR | good to know that the mind counts for nothing | Oct 19 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | they saved a whopping 30,000 jobs (and probably cooked the books to get that) | Oct 19 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | good to know that a trillion buys something | Oct 19 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | the bogus stimulus act | Oct 19 19:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] _Media company_ BBC attacks Pirate Party using 'news' http://ping.fm/RuBpb | Oct 19 19:49 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: he knows how to fling rocks. It takes many neurons to accomplish that | Oct 19 19:51 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 19 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | so much for a really expensive PR move that didn't really put anyone back to work | Oct 19 19:51 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: ants can do it too | Oct 19 19:51 |
| trmanco | I don't get why amarok needs 150 MB of ram to play a web stream | Oct 19 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | trmanco, bloat | Oct 19 19:51 |
| trmanco | I miss audacious | Oct 19 19:52 |
| trmanco | but the damn thing is gtk | Oct 19 19:52 |
| schestowitz | amarak is less heavy in 2.x | Oct 19 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | Winamp is taking 43 MB at the moment | Oct 19 19:52 |
| Ender2070 | winamp, lawl | Oct 19 19:52 |
| schestowitz | as you may recall, in Mandriva I was looking for alternatives | Oct 19 19:52 |
| schestowitz | I then used exaile and old xmms | Oct 19 19:53 |
| schestowitz | I used winamp in win98n exclusively | Oct 19 19:53 |
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| schestowitz | Would win98 run in virtualbox? | Oct 19 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | there are no really good FOSS media players, but there are some passable ones | Oct 19 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Will it boot OK? | Oct 19 19:54 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: of course | Oct 19 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | VLC plays everything but its interface really blows | Oct 19 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Cause I have a CD here | Oct 19 19:54 |
| trmanco | https://lists.ffii.org/mailman/private/softwarepatents/2009-October/000185.html | Oct 19 19:54 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: in fact that's something I want to do run Windows 98 in Virtualbox, but where did our CD go for it hmm | Oct 19 19:54 |
| voltronw | trmanco: http://wiki.marandcustomsolutions.com/space/Linux/Understanding+memory+usage | Oct 19 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Windows 98 runs in a VM. Why wouldn't it? | Oct 19 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: if I ever need Windows, I'll give it a go | Oct 19 19:54 |
| schestowitz | I've never really used wine or windows under linux | Oct 19 19:54 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I think Wine can probably run most of the apps Windows 98 can, these days | Oct 19 19:54 |
| schestowitz | I experimented with wine a couple of times just to see how it goes | Oct 19 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: There's not a lot of stuff that Windows 98 still runs, you're actually better off with Wine | Oct 19 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | or snag a copy of Windows 2000 from "somewhere" at the very least | Oct 19 19:55 |
| trmanco | voltronw: I saw it in system monitor (ksysguard) | Oct 19 19:55 |
| Ender2070 | someone should just convince the foobar goes to go OSS | Oct 19 19:55 |
| trmanco | it's currently at 65 MB | Oct 19 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Most people I know use winxp, not win2k | Oct 19 19:55 |
| Ender2070 | foobar guys to go* | Oct 19 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | lulz, Foobar | Oct 19 19:55 |
| voltronw | trmanco: which is just displaying the output of ps | Oct 19 19:56 |
| schestowitz | No-one seems to be touching Vista, some use Ubuntu | Oct 19 19:56 |
| trmanco | I'll check again in a couple of hours, it might be some plugins I've added | Oct 19 19:56 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Oct 19 19:56 |
| Ender2070 | well at least its not AOL trash | Oct 19 19:56 |
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| voltronw | trmanco: how are you going to "check"? did you read the page i linked you? | Oct 19 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | Foobar is like a stripped down Winamp that looks like ass and requires painful configuration for every encoder you want to use that it doesn't have presets for | Oct 19 19:56 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - you're full of crap | Oct 19 19:56 |
| trmanco | I'm currently reading it | Oct 19 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | it has presets for the obvious ones like Lame | Oct 19 19:57 |
| kevin009 | microsoft will block un-licensed memory cards with a new update to the xbox | Oct 19 19:57 |
| kevin009 | http://digg.com/d317aaz | Oct 19 19:57 |
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| schestowitz | kevin009: yes, I wrote about it today | Oct 19 19:57 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - i have no issues playing ogg/mp3/flac | Oct 19 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | it'll play them | Oct 19 19:57 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - and foobar doesnt use 50mb of ram | Oct 19 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | now try using an encoder it doesn't have presents for | Oct 19 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | enjoy that | Oct 19 19:57 |
| kevin009 | i want to get one of those pandoras. they look so cool | Oct 19 19:57 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/10/19/xbox-360-disables-enhancements/ | Oct 19 19:58 |
| schestowitz | It sounds very Applish | Oct 19 19:58 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC- encoder? you mean EQUALIZER? | Oct 19 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Where they require you go to the Apple toy store to buy everything | Oct 19 19:58 |
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| Ender2070 | export from winamp tool, and laugh | Oct 19 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, No | Oct 19 19:58 |
| schestowitz | What the heck is an " un-licensed memory cards" anyway? | Oct 19 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | I mean encoder | Oct 19 19:59 |
| kevin009 | you could use one of these as a tiny PC | Oct 19 19:59 |
| kevin009 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_console | Oct 19 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Does it need to double park and pass some test? | Oct 19 19:59 |
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| Ender2070 | winamp has a security exploit like every week, i got sick of all the unnecessary updates | Oct 19 19:59 |
| kevin009 | unlicensed= someone didn't pay the fee lol | Oct 19 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, I don't care | Oct 19 19:59 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC- wait encoder? | Oct 19 19:59 |
| Ender2070 | you use winamp to MAKE mp3/aac files? | Oct 19 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | no | Oct 19 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | it can encode to FLAC | Oct 19 20:00 |
| Ender2070 | ahh they added that | Oct 19 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | the extras package gives you Aotuv's Vorbis encoder as well | Oct 19 20:00 |
| Ender2070 | its still retarded | Oct 19 20:00 |
| Ender2070 | winamp sucks at that | Oct 19 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Oct 19 20:00 |
| Ender2070 | yes | Oct 19 20:00 |
| Ender2070 | anyone who uses EAC will tell you this | Oct 19 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | really really easy to get the results you want | Oct 19 20:00 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8314032.stm | Oct 19 20:00 |
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| trmanco | interesting read voltronw | Oct 19 20:00 |
| schestowitz | The MSBBC advertises Vista 7 already | Oct 19 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | without screwing around tweaking command line options or such | Oct 19 20:01 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8310867.stm | Oct 19 20:01 |
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| schestowitz | Free ad | Oct 19 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, I'd tell them to quit putting in chipped or scratched discs | Oct 19 20:01 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC- yes, eac is quite easy and makes the best rip of any software out there at the moment | Oct 19 20:01 |
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| DaemonFC | or buy a decent optical drive | Oct 19 20:01 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC- you're obviously not an audiophile with a clue, im done this conversation | Oct 19 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | if your drive is jittering enough to actually cause errors, your drive is the problem | Oct 19 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | quit trying to cover up a bad drive by insisting on encoding at 1/10th the speed | Oct 19 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Our govt. will be Turfing Twitter now: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8302977.stm | Oct 19 20:02 |
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| Ender2070 | DaemonFC- i never mentioned anything like that | Oct 19 20:03 |
| kevin009 | i've had a drive that read all disks fine, but it had trouble reading a CD-R. the CD-r worked fine in another drive though. it was weird | Oct 19 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | no, but it's implied | Oct 19 20:03 |
| Ender2070 | no its not | Oct 19 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, If you ever get in an accident and break your leg, just take a couple Tylenol | Oct 19 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | ignore the leg thing | Oct 19 20:03 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - i've ripped music in winamp without errors, it doesnt SOUND as GOOD as EAC rips them | Oct 19 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | that's what you're telling me by suggesting EAC | Oct 19 20:03 |
| kevin009 | sometimes strange things like that happen | Oct 19 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | oh bullshit | Oct 19 20:03 |
| Ender2070 | im talking about sound quality | Oct 19 20:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | whats with the EAC love? | Oct 19 20:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | cdparanoia works just as well | Oct 19 20:04 |
| Ender2070 | its winamp vs eac | Oct 19 20:04 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Oct 19 20:04 |
| Ender2070 | on linux i just dd | Oct 19 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | the results are identical | Oct 19 20:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070: UGH DUDE NO | Oct 19 20:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | use cdparanoia | Oct 19 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | mathematically identical even | Oct 19 20:04 |
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| Diablo-D3 | how the fuck do you even dd audio cds/ | Oct 19 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | rip to FLAC level 8 with both EAC and Winamp and CRC32 them | Oct 19 20:04 |
| Ender2070 | makes an image of the audio cd? | Oct 19 20:04 |
| Ender2070 | dur | Oct 19 20:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070: thats dumb | Oct 19 20:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it can end up with errors | Oct 19 20:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | since audio cds have less checksumming than mode 1 data | Oct 19 20:05 |
| Ender2070 | dd more than once and md5? | Oct 19 20:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | cdparanoia takes less tim | Oct 19 20:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | *time | Oct 19 20:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it can deal with intentionally fucked up disks | Oct 19 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | both sound really good to me, the only difference is that Winamp can rip at close to 58x | Oct 19 20:06 |
| Ender2070 | i dont have fucked up disks | Oct 19 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | and EAC is plugging along | Oct 19 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | might get done today | Oct 19 20:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: well whats stupid is | Oct 19 20:06 |
| Ender2070 | i buy a cd, take it out and make an image, ogg and flac files, then it goes into storage | Oct 19 20:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | cdparanoia works on win32 too | Oct 19 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | I hope you're not using FLAC in an Ogg container | Oct 19 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | the Ogg container adds a lot of overhead | Oct 19 20:07 |
| Ender2070 | like tags | Oct 19 20:07 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Oct 19 20:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not that much overhead | Oct 19 20:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | its like a percent or two | Oct 19 20:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | the real problem is a lot of apps cant handle them | Oct 19 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | 15% or so on the average Vorbis file is actually just the Ogg container | Oct 19 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | not the audio stream | Oct 19 20:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: thats a lie | Oct 19 20:07 |
| MinceR | echo -n >file compresses even better! :> | Oct 19 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Sun's Bray writes about IBM "crooks" http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/10/16/I-Just-Wanna-Say | Oct 19 20:08 |
| phIRCe | Title: ongoing · Where The Crooks Are .::. Size~: 11 KB | Oct 19 20:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Madonna - Celebration (Benny Benassi Remix) | 720p HD (5.1 Surround Sound)" ♫ http://blip.fm/~f2sa5 | Oct 19 20:08 | |
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| Ender2070 | i think the arguement sums down to this: winamp sucks | Oct 19 20:08 |
| schestowitz | [20:04] <Diablo-D3> how the fuck do you even dd audio cds/ | Oct 19 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Language warning | Oct 19 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | ok, you've fully convinced yourself that Winamp sucks | Oct 19 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | congratulations | Oct 19 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Please stop being obtuse | Oct 19 20:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | winamp does suck, DaemonFC | Oct 19 20:08 |
| Ender2070 | not only for technical reaons either | Oct 19 20:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | it'll never be as good as audacious2 :D | Oct 19 20:08 |
| Ender2070 | its not OSS | Oct 19 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, So? There's plenty of horrible FOSS software, just like proprietary | Oct 19 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | if you don't like it, don't use it | Oct 19 20:09 |
| kevin009 | i used to use coolplayer, which is open-source and lite-weight | Oct 19 20:09 |
| *MinceR uses audacious | Oct 19 20:09 | |
| Ender2070 | there are *plenty* of free software players that kick its ass | Oct 19 20:09 |
| schestowitz | I got a trial version of coolplayer like 10 years ago | Oct 19 20:09 |
| Ender2070 | if they are too "hard" thats your problem | Oct 19 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | Winamp Extras also bundles Flake | Oct 19 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Oops. That was CoolEDIT | Oct 19 20:10 |
| Ender2070 | winamp also bundles spyware | Oct 19 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | Flake can make smaller FLAC files than libFLAC | Oct 19 20:10 |
| kevin009 | yeah i remember cooledit... that was before audacity showed up | Oct 19 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, No it doesn't | Oct 19 20:10 |
| Ender2070 | yes it does | Oct 19 20:10 |
| kevin009 | i ran it on a pentium 133 lol | Oct 19 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, There is not one piece of spyware in Winamp | Oct 19 20:11 |
| Ender2070 | you can check it off in the installer | Oct 19 20:11 |
| Ender2070 | doesnt mean its not "bundled" | Oct 19 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | and if there is, tell me what it is | Oct 19 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | cause I don't have any spyware | Oct 19 20:11 |
| Ender2070 | im checking their site - im wrong that was in older versions | Oct 19 20:12 |
| Ender2070 | they used to have a lite, full, extra and paid versions | Oct 19 20:12 |
| kevin009 | i used winamp a lot in the 2.x days | Oct 19 20:12 |
| Ender2070 | full and extra had emusic spyware | Oct 19 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | the worst thing I've ever seen in Winamp was an opt-in option in the installer to have a toolbar of theirs added to Firefox that could remote control Winamp or an icon for eMusic or AOL which were also opt-in | Oct 19 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | there's no spyware in Winamp or bundled with it | Oct 19 20:13 |
| Ender2070 | thats bundling | Oct 19 20:13 |
| Ender2070 | the fact that you can read and turned it off, doesnt change that it was bundled | Oct 19 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | spyware is too harsh | Oct 19 20:13 |
| Ender2070 | well thats what it does | Oct 19 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | I just call it crap or a nuisance, cause that's basically what it is | Oct 19 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | it is not spyware | Oct 19 20:13 |
| Ender2070 | it monitors what you do so it can sell to you better | Oct 19 20:13 |
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| DaemonFC | spyware installs without asking or letting you say no and actually collects personal info on you and reports back | Oct 19 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | this doesn't go as far as spyware | Oct 19 20:14 |
| Ender2070 | thats your definition | Oct 19 20:14 |
| trmanco | http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Feature_Freeze_Testing_3.2 | Oct 19 20:14 |
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| DaemonFC | the toolbar, if you want it, is just a search box that can lead you to a custom Google results page | Oct 19 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | that's the only money they would make off it | Oct 19 20:15 |
| Ender2070 | they give you false pretenses | Oct 19 20:15 |
| phIRCe | clearlog phirce !clear-rawlog 1 !say test | Oct 19 20:15 |
| trmanco | omg | Oct 19 20:15 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 19 20:15 |
| phIRCe | test | Oct 19 20:15 |
| trmanco | ... | Oct 19 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | when you say spyware, it makes it sound nefarious or evil | Oct 19 20:15 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - do you want free software to start bundling such things to start "making money" | Oct 19 20:15 |
| Ender2070 | it is | Oct 19 20:15 |
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| DaemonFC | it's not | Oct 19 20:15 |
| MinceR | !say foobar | Oct 19 20:15 |
| MinceR | !say phIRCe foobarbaz | Oct 19 20:16 |
| Ender2070 | the data they collect goes to marketting | Oct 19 20:16 |
| Ender2070 | marketting isn't evil? | Oct 19 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | the toolbar is benign | Oct 19 20:16 |
| MinceR | nowadays marketing tends to be evil more often than not | Oct 19 20:16 |
| Ender2070 | its collects usage data | Oct 19 20:16 |
| trmanco | MinceR: you wish | Oct 19 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | and you have to opt-in to get it | Oct 19 20:16 |
| MinceR | but it isn't definitive | Oct 19 20:16 |
| trmanco | but try querying the bot | Oct 19 20:16 |
| Ender2070 | most users are idiots who will opt-in | Oct 19 20:16 |
| trmanco | I think it won't work | Oct 19 20:16 |
| *MinceR tries | Oct 19 20:16 | |
| MinceR | it didn't work | Oct 19 20:17 |
| trmanco | I didn't add your cloak yet | Oct 19 20:17 |
| trmanco | yeah | Oct 19 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, That would be their problem and if they are that stupid, they have a lot more to worry about than the Winamp Search Bar | Oct 19 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 19 20:17 |
| trmanco | it's a good sign :-P | Oct 19 20:17 |
| MinceR | :D | Oct 19 20:17 |
| Ender2070 | there was this windows program called Gator, which claimed it be a great thing to use to store all your personal information and passwords to avoid filling out forms | Oct 19 20:17 |
| Ender2070 | in reality - spyware | Oct 19 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, This is not like Gator at all | Oct 19 20:17 |
| Ender2070 | they are claiming it does one thing, and does something else behind the scenes | Oct 19 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox is bundled in unrelated software and installed by default | Oct 19 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | therefore, Firefox is spyware | Oct 19 20:17 |
| Ender2070 | thats a tricky one cause firefox has spyware features in it | Oct 19 20:18 |
| Ender2070 | google bar | Oct 19 20:18 |
| schestowitz | [20:16] <Ender2070> marketting isn't evil? | Oct 19 20:18 |
| schestowitz | It is | Oct 19 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Just don't say it when marketing people are around :-) | Oct 19 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | if you're going to go applying the spyware moniker to every bit of bundleware, you have to say Firefox is spyware | Oct 19 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | cause they distribute it to unwitting people that way | Oct 19 20:18 |
| schestowitz | You know what anti-BN guy is in marketing | Oct 19 20:18 |
| Ender2070 | lefty? | Oct 19 20:18 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Oct 19 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Has anyone tried http://www.bombono.org/cgi-bin/wiki/ ? | Oct 19 20:19 |
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| schestowitz | I never heard of it until a week ago | Oct 19 20:19 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - when people bundle firefox, the browser isn't doing behind the scenes to trick you - they are open about sending usage data to google | Oct 19 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, Anyway, my Winamp Pro license that I bought in 2003 is still good | Oct 19 20:19 |
| schestowitz | !google hicks youtube marketing | Oct 19 20:19 |
| phIRCe | [1] - YouTube - Bill Hicks on Marketing | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DgDW_Hj2K0wo | Oct 19 20:19 |
| phIRCe | [2] - YouTube - bill hicks on marketing | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DWVZo1Jjfshw | Oct 19 20:19 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Video About Bill Hicks on Marketing | Encyclopedia.com | http://www.encyclopedia.com/video/gDW_Hj2K0wo-bill-hicks-on-marketing.aspx | Oct 19 20:19 |
| phIRCe | [4] - E Prospect Finder Keywords & SEO Desription eprospectfinder John ... | http://www.stupidvideos.com/video/just_plain_stupid/E_Prospect_Finder_Keywords__SEO_Desription_eprospectfinder_John_Hicks_youtube_Pr/ | Oct 19 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | I've been using Winamp since at least 1997 | Oct 19 20:20 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - they dont say "heres a toolbar" and then that toolbar watches everything you do | Oct 19 20:20 |
| Ender2070 | while you think its just a easy way to search google | Oct 19 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, If you're really curious, run the EULA through EULAlyzer | Oct 19 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | see if it finds anything interesting | Oct 19 20:20 |
| Ender2070 | LOL | Oct 19 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | the Windows Vista EULA drove that thing batshit crazy | Oct 19 20:20 |
| Ender2070 | can't even read a EULA yourself? | Oct 19 20:20 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/realgeekyderek/status/4995029025 | Oct 19 20:20 |
| phIRCe | Title: Twitter / Derek Belrose: Wow it would appear that R ... .::. Size~: 9.7 KB | Oct 19 20:20 |
| schestowitz | What did I say that was "Anti Microsoft" | Oct 19 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Reminds me of the "anti-America" label | Oct 19 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, EULAlyzer helps flush out the bad shit that people stuff on page 497 of the EULA in legalese | Oct 19 20:22 |
| Ender2070 | schestowitz - my american friend gets that label for turning us dollars into gold | Oct 19 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, They're worthless paper just like any other system with a central bank | Oct 19 20:22 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - you're assuming im still a windows user | Oct 19 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | laugh it up cause you're getting fleeced too | Oct 19 20:22 |
| Ender2070 | laugh what up? | Oct 19 20:22 |
| Ender2070 | its a good idea | Oct 19 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | the concept of fiat currency | Oct 19 20:23 |
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| Ender2070 | turning money into gold is smart | Oct 19 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | it's just a way to steal from people and give to the banks | Oct 19 20:23 |
| Ender2070 | gold is actually worth something | Oct 19 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | not really | Oct 19 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | gold is only worth something because someone says it is | Oct 19 20:23 |
| Ender2070 | its a rare metal | Oct 19 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | and you can trade it for useful things | Oct 19 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | same as paper | Oct 19 20:24 |
| Ender2070 | its worth something because its a rare metal | Oct 19 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | it's worth something because people say it is | Oct 19 20:24 |
| Ender2070 | true | Oct 19 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't care to have a gold bar just to have it | Oct 19 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | I would find someone that has applied a value to it and trade for things that are useful | Oct 19 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | just like dollar bills | Oct 19 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | in doing so, I have actually, unwittingly, placed a value on the gold bar I possess | Oct 19 20:25 |
| Ender2070 | in the future you may end up having to trade gold bars for food | Oct 19 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | woohoo | Oct 19 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | insane, isn't it? | Oct 19 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, I doubt that | Oct 19 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | there's always going to be crazy end of the world kooks | Oct 19 20:26 |
| schestowitz | If we could import gold from distant planets, it would devalue gold | Oct 19 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | when the end comes, it will be because of the damage we have done | Oct 19 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | or the war we've just fought | Oct 19 20:26 |
| Ender2070 | you've | Oct 19 20:26 |
| schestowitz | They can basically arrive by supernova... that that you would want that... we need the atmosphere | Oct 19 20:26 |
| Ender2070 | Canada had no part in that | Oct 19 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | not cause 500 foot tall Jesus came down and landed on a mountain | Oct 19 20:26 |
| schestowitz | ?? | Oct 19 20:27 |
| Ender2070 | actually its likely the bible will play out exactly with a 500 foot tall Jesus landing on a mountain | Oct 19 20:27 |
| Ender2070 | not that it will be real | Oct 19 20:27 |
| schestowitz | They had some good dope back then | Oct 19 20:28 |
| Ender2070 | we'll either be: 1) inside a matrix, 2) it will be a hologram | Oct 19 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Or a Big Arse Table | Oct 19 20:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.unixmen.com/news-today/480--a-math-teacher-and-his-students-bring-desktop4education-to-austrian-schools | Oct 19 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | I was in a Catholic school until 2nd grade | Oct 19 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | I intentionally misbehaved to get thrown out so I could go to public school like normal kids | Oct 19 20:31 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Oct 19 20:31 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @Skud We felt sorry for MikeeUSA, who had no backups, poor thing. His code is now hosted by geekfeminism.org: http://bit.ly/O24la | Oct 19 20:32 | |
| DaemonFC | the priest had a mass on every Friday that we were required to attend | Oct 19 20:32 |
| Ender2070 | in ontario, catholic schools tried to secure public funding - unsuccessfully | Oct 19 20:32 |
| phIRCe | Title: MikeeUSAs code, now available on geekfeminism.org | Geek Feminism Blog .::. Size~: 47.45 KB | Oct 19 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | I thought it was some pretty crazy shit til I got a load of the Presbyterians | Oct 19 20:32 |
| Ender2070 | religions are funny cause a lot of them are all based on ancient Sumerian books | Oct 19 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I confess that I did speak in tongues on Sunday, September 27th, 2009 | Oct 19 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | seizure induced | Oct 19 20:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @Skud We felt sorry for MikeeUSA, who had no backups, poor thing. His code is now hosted by geekfeminism.org: http://bit.ly/O24la | Oct 19 20:33 | |
| DaemonFC | I did it twice | Oct 19 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 19 20:33 |
| phIRCe | Title: MikeeUSAs code, now available on geekfeminism.org | Geek Feminism Blog .::. Size~: 47.45 KB | Oct 19 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | I should have tried to play off that and start my own tax exempt cult | Oct 19 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | pass out AK-47s and tell my congregation that the US government is the beast | Oct 19 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | and the ATF is the antichrist's henchmen | Oct 19 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | muahahahahahaha!!!! | Oct 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Eeeek. http://geekfeminism.org/2009/10/08/psa-mikeeusas-hate-speech-and-harassment/ | Oct 19 20:36 |
| MinceR | and in a way you'd be right | Oct 19 20:36 |
| phIRCe | Title: PSA: MikeeUSAs hate speech and harassment | Geek Feminism Blog .::. Size~: 98.53 KB | Oct 19 20:36 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - you're describing scientology, without the guns and libel | Oct 19 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, No, I wouldn't be a money grubbing bastard | Oct 19 20:37 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - they even had people working for them in the IRS | Oct 19 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | even I have some ethical standard | Oct 19 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | hell, even the Christians only want 10% of your money | Oct 19 20:37 |
| Ender2070 | what I don't understand is why god needs all that money | Oct 19 20:37 |
| Ender2070 | does he have a gambling problem | Oct 19 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | the Scientologists just strip mine you and throw you away when you are of no further use | Oct 19 20:38 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Oct 19 20:38 |
| Ender2070 | did you ever remember when that one guy leaked ALL their secret documents | Oct 19 20:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Do’s and Don’ts of Photoshop Retouching: http://is.gd/4rjkl | Oct 19 20:39 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Dos and Donts of Photoshop Retouching | Webdesigner Depot .::. Size~: 68.88 KB | Oct 19 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, They usually file lawsuits based on "copyright" | Oct 19 20:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/10/19/google-centralizes-accessibility-efforts | Oct 19 20:39 |
| phIRCe | Title: Google Centralizes Accessibility Efforts | WebProNews .::. Size~: 28.1 KB | Oct 19 20:39 |
| MinceR | had? did they get the clams out of the IRS already? | Oct 19 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | you can't unleak something, but you can call more attention to it | Oct 19 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | why don't these people ever learn that? | Oct 19 20:40 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: why Photoshop? It's like an advert to them | Oct 19 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | Photoshop is more heavyweight than more people even need | Oct 19 20:42 |
| schestowitz | The more we show people the GIMP, the better, IMHO | Oct 19 20:42 |
| trmanco | I can't deny to say, that it's the best of it's kind | Oct 19 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | Gimp is ewww | Oct 19 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | bad interface | Oct 19 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Oct 19 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Fine interface | Oct 19 20:43 |
| schestowitz | In Photoshop I'd be stuck without nice BG | Oct 19 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | they claim they're finally fixing the bad interface in the next version | Oct 19 20:43 |
| schestowitz | And no multiple windows to pass around for many images | Oct 19 20:43 |
| schestowitz | GIMP is a desk with papers | Oct 19 20:43 |
| schestowitz | PhotoFlop is a desk with a drawer on top of it and papers you can move inside the drawer | Oct 19 20:44 |
| trmanco | I've done some great mockups in photoshop | Oct 19 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The jury is still out on Windows 7 | Oct 19 20:44 |
| trmanco | 2 years ago | Oct 19 20:44 |
| schestowitz | I'd have the table /without/ a useless drawer on top of it, thank you | Oct 19 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | I've seen some unimpressive gaming benchmarks | Oct 19 20:44 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: soon you can have your broken ui in gimp. meanwhile you can use krita :> | Oct 19 20:44 |
| trmanco | http://i30.tinypic.com/k2z75t.jpg | Oct 19 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | it's behind Vista as often as it beats it | Oct 19 20:44 |
| phIRCe | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/png type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Oct 19 20:44 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: the jury was already out | Oct 19 20:45 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/11/vista-7-review/ | Oct 19 20:45 |
| phIRCe | Title: Vista 7 Review (Video) | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 122.69 KB | Oct 19 20:45 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - they can claim copyright all they want, someone still leaked it everywhere | Oct 19 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | The beta was pretty flaky and so I tak about it and the trolls come | Oct 19 20:47 |
| trmanco | ok | Oct 19 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Do you not moderate the comments? | Oct 19 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | *talk | Oct 19 20:47 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: no, never | Oct 19 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Darryl the troll never commented after we required registering | Oct 19 20:48 |
| schestowitz | He's banned in some sites | Oct 19 20:48 |
| Ender2070 | I find it hilarious people talking about 128-bit Windows 8, when Windows 7 can't even use the ram that 64-bit supports | Oct 19 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Of course | Oct 19 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | well, I got an email from Microsoft after complaining about the SATA bug that corrupted my hard disk | Oct 19 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Windows=128bit | Oct 19 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Linux=64bit | Oct 19 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Windows=holograms | Oct 19 20:49 |
| MinceR | can't use it but can waste it all easily | Oct 19 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | telling me they fixed it and giving me a download link to their latest build | Oct 19 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Linux=multitouch | Oct 19 20:49 |
| Ender2070 | they can't even waste it all easily | Oct 19 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Windows=Bigasstable | Oct 19 20:49 |
| schestowitz | !google big ass table | Oct 19 20:49 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Microsoft Surface: one day your computer will be a big-ass table | http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/microsoft-surface-one-day-your-computer-will-be-a-big-ass-table/ | Oct 19 20:49 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Video: Microsoft's Future really does make your computer a big-ass ... | http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/14/video-microsofts-future-home-actually-makes-your-computer-a-bi/ | Oct 19 20:49 |
| phIRCe | [3] - YouTube - Microsoft big ass table.. | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DWT5H3izr2Tc | Oct 19 20:49 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Check out the Big Ass Table - Bike Hugger | http://bikehugger.com/2008/01/check-out-the-big-ass-table.html | Oct 19 20:49 |
| cubezzz | lol | Oct 19 20:49 |
| MinceR | big ass-table | Oct 19 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Linux=computer | Oct 19 20:49 |
| Ender2070 | it doesnt support the full amount of ram that 64-bit arch supports | Oct 19 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Windows is [was!] LSE | Oct 19 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Linux = tuxpaint | Oct 19 20:50 |
| MinceR | LSE? | Oct 19 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Linux=kid, mother, basement, zealot, acne | Oct 19 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: He complains that at that point there was no RC, I was using builds from the tree that was already frozen for the RC | Oct 19 20:50 |
| MinceR | http://xkcd.com/37/ | Oct 19 20:50 |
| phIRCe | Title: xkcd - A Webcomic - Hyphen .::. Size~: 8.29 KB | Oct 19 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | the SATA bug fix was one of probably a handful that got accepted | Oct 19 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Windows=business, suit, "commercial", enterprise, Donald Trump, b0rk b0rk b0rk | Oct 19 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | before RC 7100 was out | Oct 19 20:50 |
| MinceR | that's d0rk d0rk d0r | Oct 19 20:51 |
| MinceR | s/$/k/ | Oct 19 20:51 |
| cubezzz | well, then just point to Linux on mainframe | Oct 19 20:51 |
| cubezzz | then the illusion vanishes | Oct 19 20:51 |
| Ender2070 | 64-bit can go to 4 PB | Oct 19 20:51 |
| Ender2070 | win7 supports 16TB I think, tops | Oct 19 20:51 |
| MinceR | m$ sql can easily eat it all | Oct 19 20:52 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: that's not me | Oct 19 20:52 |
| schestowitz | It's Wintel press | Oct 19 20:52 |
| schestowitz | ANd the Endrle quoter~1 | Oct 19 20:52 |
| Ender2070 | I don't see why Win8 needs to address more than 4 PB of ram | Oct 19 20:52 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10376536-16.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=TheOpenRoad | Oct 19 20:52 |
| Ender2070 | ms sql isn't THAT bad | Oct 19 20:52 |
| phIRCe | Title: EU's MySQL inquiry may backfire for open source | The Open Road - CNET News .::. Size~: 110.02 KB | Oct 19 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Gosh, Masay can be annoying sometimes | Oct 19 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Masayia for open source | Oct 19 20:53 |
| *iKonaK has quit ("Leaving.") | Oct 19 20:53 | |
| MinceR | more like against open source | Oct 19 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Whose messiah is STeve Jokey | Oct 19 20:53 |
| trmanco | http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Firefox-blocks-then-unblocks-Microsoft-add-on-832309.html | Oct 19 20:53 |
| MinceR | jobs | Oct 19 20:53 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: the probe is important | Oct 19 20:53 |
| phIRCe | Title: Firefox blocks, then unblocks, Microsoft add-on - The H Security: News and Features .::. Size~: 28.05 KB | Oct 19 20:53 |
| MinceR | probe? | Oct 19 20:53 |
| schestowitz | They treat the EU like Microsoft wants | Oct 19 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Discrediting the commission | Oct 19 20:54 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: SUn-Orakkkal | Oct 19 20:54 |
| MinceR | the commission itself isn't helping | Oct 19 20:54 |
| schestowitz | They'll kill mysql | Oct 19 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Or use it as Oracle ramp | Oct 19 20:54 |
| schestowitz | MariaDB just needs support | Oct 19 20:54 |
| Ender2070 | theres postgresql | Oct 19 20:55 |
| MinceR | they can't kill mysql | Oct 19 20:55 |
| schestowitz | But it's more than that | Oct 19 20:55 |
| MinceR | anyway, who needs mysql if you can have postgresql and sqlite? | Oct 19 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Oracle gets more from Sun | Oct 19 20:55 |
| schestowitz | OOo | Oct 19 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Oracle says nothing about it | Oct 19 20:55 |
| schestowitz | NOTHING. Almost nothing. | Oct 19 20:55 |
| schestowitz | How would Oracle treat it? | Oct 19 20:55 |
| schestowitz | What I fear is that Meek's gang will take over it | Oct 19 20:55 |
| Ender2070 | they're being smart about it | Oct 19 20:55 |
| schestowitz | With that whole OOo 'foundation' thing | Oct 19 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Novell-dominated OOo would be bad | Oct 19 20:56 |
| MinceR | i think there are a couple parties ready to pick up OOo if novell drops it | Oct 19 20:56 |
| MinceR | s/novell/oracle/ | Oct 19 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Novell won't drop it | Oct 19 20:56 |
| Ender2070 | OOo would be bad in the hands of novell | Oct 19 20:56 |
| schestowitz | It's valuable for the Vole to control OOo | Oct 19 20:56 |
| Ender2070 | they would convert it to mono/.net | Oct 19 20:56 |
| schestowitz | This way it also controls Symphony | Oct 19 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Like they try to control ODF | Oct 19 20:56 |
| MinceR | (never mind the slip, i don't think that badly of oracle yet :> ) | Oct 19 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft wants to become both sides of the what-used-to-be competition | Oct 19 20:57 |
| schestowitz | It's a form of collusion | Oct 19 20:57 |
| MinceR | i wonder if IBM cares enough to take over development via Symphony if needed | Oct 19 20:57 |
| Ender2070 | control both sides and you're the winner | Oct 19 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: yes, like Evolutio.NET | Oct 19 20:57 |
| schestowitz | OpenOffice.NET | Oct 19 20:57 |
| MinceR | hm, even Gnome Office is in the hands of novell | Oct 19 20:58 |
| MinceR | so far it has evaded notice, afaict | Oct 19 20:58 |
| Ender2070 | the irony is that people say KDE is copying microsoft, when GNOME is the one using a microsoft development platform for all its new goodies | Oct 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | hub writes for Abiword | Oct 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | So I guess he did this for Novell also | Oct 19 20:58 |
| MinceR | people say all kinds of stupid shit | Oct 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | "Last time we spoke with him, RMS wanted us to edit all of the submissions so that they reflected the values of the FSF. In other words, change all the uses of "open source" to "free software" and all the uses of "Linux" to "GNU/Linux" (where appropriate of course). I agree with the sentiment but that would be far too much work for us." | Oct 19 21:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.fsdaily.com/Community/Seriously_FSDaily_should_put_more_effort_in_monitoring_the_ads_that_appear_on_the_wbsite#comment-5263 | Oct 19 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Wow. | Oct 19 21:01 |
| phIRCe | Title: Seriously, FSDaily should put more effort in monitoring the ads that appear on the wbsite. | fsdaily.com - Free Software News .::. Size~: 57.85 KB | Oct 19 21:01 |
| MinceR | so they're only the values of the FSF now? | Oct 19 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Nope. RMS ♥ his babies | Oct 19 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Linus gets all the credit | Oct 19 21:02 |
| schestowitz | !google linus charlie rose | Oct 19 21:02 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Charlie Rose - Linus Torvalds | http://www.charlierose.com/guests/linus-torvalds | Oct 19 21:02 |
| phIRCe | [2] - YouTube - Linus Torvalds interview with Charlie Rose Part 2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DzPbFtlMtzj8 | Oct 19 21:02 |
| phIRCe | [3] - YouTube - Linus Torvalds - Charlie Rose Interview - P1/2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DjJ4y6p6xdmw | Oct 19 21:02 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Linus Torvalds - FamousWhy | http://people.famouswhy.com/linus_torvalds/ | Oct 19 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Linus doesn't have a beard, so he gets into the 'big' talk shows ;-) | Oct 19 21:03 |
| MinceR | i don't have a beard either, yet i don't get into any talk shows | Oct 19 21:03 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 19 21:03 |
| Ender2070 | Linus has changed | Oct 19 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Crisis looms in Kabul over Karzai election results http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/16/karzai-election-result-crisis | Oct 19 21:04 |
| cubezzz | I'll start gnulinux.com | Oct 19 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: how so? | Oct 19 21:04 |
| schestowitz | I know what you might say | Oct 19 21:04 |
| MinceR | it's been squatted | Oct 19 21:04 |
| Ender2070 | its hard to pinpoint and I don't exactly know how to explain it | Oct 19 21:04 |
| Ender2070 | but his tone has changed | Oct 19 21:04 |
| MinceR | so has .org | Oct 19 21:04 |
| cubezzz | bah | Oct 19 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: he's still cool | Oct 19 21:04 |
| Ender2070 | he is still cool | Oct 19 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Zemlin has a deep tone | Oct 19 21:05 |
| schestowitz | What is Linux Foundation, practically? | Oct 19 21:05 |
| schestowitz | How many offices are they? | Oct 19 21:05 |
| cubezzz | don't really know | Oct 19 21:05 |
| cubezzz | I get the feeling it's not very big | Oct 19 21:06 |
| Ender2070 | its supposedly pretty big | Oct 19 21:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/contact | Oct 19 21:06 |
| phIRCe | Title: Contact Us | The Linux Foundation .::. Size~: 24.89 KB | Oct 19 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Mailing Address | Oct 19 21:06 |
| schestowitz | The Linux Foundation | Oct 19 21:06 |
| schestowitz | 1796 18th Street, Suite C | Oct 19 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Japan | Oct 19 21:06 |
| cubezzz | gnu has lots of mirrors though | Oct 19 21:06 |
| schestowitz | The Linux Foundation Japan | Oct 19 21:06 |
| schestowitz | 3-30 Kioicho, Yamamoto Building 5F | Oct 19 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Oct 19 21:06 | |
| schestowitz | Korea | Oct 19 21:06 |
| schestowitz | The Linux Foundation Korea | Oct 19 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Hansil Jamsil Core building #616 | Oct 19 21:07 |
| schestowitz | So three offices | Oct 19 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Basically a few dozen people | Oct 19 21:07 |
| cubezzz | what about the U.S.? | Oct 19 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Portland and SF, I guess | Oct 19 21:07 |
| schestowitz | The Korea one is new | Oct 19 21:07 |
| Ender2070 | one address could have a skyscraper though, its hard to tell how many employees by how many locations | Oct 19 21:07 |
| schestowitz | There was a PR about it about a year ago, IIRC | Oct 19 21:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] don't worry, be happy! http://is.gd/4rlbR | Oct 19 21:08 | |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: could be one-man offices | Oct 19 21:08 |
| phIRCe | Title: Barbara Ehrenreich questions positive thinking .::. Size~: 75.46 KB | Oct 19 21:08 |
| Ender2070 | yes | Oct 19 21:08 |
| MinceR | or it could be a group of office buildings with one of them assigned as the official address | Oct 19 21:08 |
| schestowitz | The developers are in Red Hat, IBM........ | Oct 19 21:08 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 19 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Coordination is done also in Portland's computing farms | Oct 19 21:08 |
| Ender2070 | could also be lots of bureaucratic red tape requiring lots of drones | Oct 19 21:08 |
| cubezzz | ok, how big is the fsf? | Oct 19 21:09 |
| Ender2070 | which fsf? the north american one? | Oct 19 21:09 |
| cubezzz | yes | Oct 19 21:10 |
| schestowitz | http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/bigphotos/66388879.html | Oct 19 21:10 |
| phIRCe | Title: Photo: Giant, Mucus-Like Sea Blobs on the Rise, Pose Danger .::. Size~: 20.26 KB | Oct 19 21:10 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: I think like half a dozen people, plus interns and volunteers | Oct 19 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Green consumerism can avert climate disaster, say top firms http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/16/climate-change-green-business | Oct 19 21:11 |
| schestowitz | I got my recycling bins today | Oct 19 21:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Effect of #globalwarming : "Giant, Mucus-Like Sea Blobs on the Rise, Pose Danger" http://ping.fm/2T76y | Oct 19 21:12 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Giant, Mucus-Like Sea Blobs on the Rise, Pose Danger .::. Size~: 28.27 KB | Oct 19 21:12 |
| Ender2070 | im not sure but I always assumed it was bigger than the linux foundation | Oct 19 21:12 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A look into the 1984-like surveillance society in the UK: http://ping.fm/EixYq | Oct 19 21:13 | |
| MrF | Hey Roy, you ok? | Oct 19 21:13 |
| MrF | i went to the gym on sunday in the morning did you go | Oct 19 21:13 |
| schestowitz | "This site is the home page for the no-frills online version of Free as in Freedom: Richard Stallman's Crusade for Free Software. This site is maintained by me, Sam Williams, author of Free as in Freedom." | Oct 19 21:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.faifzilla.org/ | Oct 19 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Hey, MrF | Oct 19 21:14 |
| phIRCe | Title: | Oct 19 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Fabio beat you | Oct 19 21:14 |
| schestowitz | JPerlow: *ping* | Oct 19 21:15 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/12281758 | Oct 19 21:15 |
| phIRCe | Title: Bradley M. Kuhn (bkuhn) 's status on Saturday, 17-Oct-09 20:21:25 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 7.22 KB | Oct 19 21:15 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 21:15 |
| schestowitz | bkuhn | Oct 19 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Oct 19 21:15 | |
| schestowitz | @dantheman, funny to think about since Debian started as an !fsf funded project. Most people don't know Ian was funded by FSF at start. | Oct 19 21:15 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 21:15 |
| schestowitz | ANd yesterday you mocked the FSF, saying that they don't accept Debian | Oct 19 21:15 |
| schestowitz | See? | Oct 19 21:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.the-source.com/2009/10/on-mono-and-samba/ | Oct 19 21:16 |
| phIRCe | Title: On Mono and Samba .::. Size~: 18.85 KB | Oct 19 21:16 |
| schestowitz | "In any case, I first started noticing Mr. Allison’s responses directly addressing the fallacy of comparing Mono and Samba in the comments to an error-filled attack rant against RMS by Jason Perlow for ZD Net. Although it is certainly “pearls before swine” to attempt to correct Mr. Perlow, Mr. Allison does make his point.." | Oct 19 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Facts are worth rectifying :-) :-) | Oct 19 21:16 |
| MrF | Thats good news about Fabio, what's his 10k time like?....:) | Oct 19 21:17 |
| Ender2070 | Jason Perlow? wasn't he on Microsoft TechTV | Oct 19 21:18 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/12285115 | Oct 19 21:18 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 21:19 |
| phIRCe | Title: Bradley M. Kuhn (bkuhn) 's status on Saturday, 17-Oct-09 21:29:07 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 7.37 KB | Oct 19 21:19 |
| schestowitz | bkuhn | Oct 19 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Oct 19 21:19 | |
| schestowitz | @dantheman, a relatively short story: @rms hired Ian Murdock at beginning & Ian quit !fsf within a year over binary debugging symbols issue. | Oct 19 21:19 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 21:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @bkuhn @dantheman, [...] Debian started as an fsf funded project. Most people don't know Ian was funded by FSF at start. | Oct 19 21:19 | |
| schestowitz | MrF: don't know, but he's not a bad runner | Oct 19 21:19 |
| schestowitz | I told him he should compete next year | Oct 19 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Benchpressing is 'his' thing anywa | Oct 19 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: was he?? | Oct 19 21:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @bkuhn @dantheman [..] @rms hired Ian Murdock at beginning & Ian quit !fsf within a year over binary debugging symbols issue. | Oct 19 21:21 | |
| Ender2070 | im pretty sure he was | Oct 19 21:22 |
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| Ender2070 | i was listening to him interviewing michael tsarion | Oct 19 21:23 |
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| schestowitz | It sounds likely, but no big deal. | Oct 19 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Miguel was on many Microsoft shows too | Oct 19 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Both are people who favour similar goals, IMHO | Oct 19 21:26 |
| schestowitz | eeebuntu does with mapis did... http://www.liliputing.com/2009/10/eeebuntu-4-0-to-drop-ubuntu-for-debian.html | Oct 19 21:27 |
| phIRCe | Title: Eeebuntu 4.0 to drop Ubuntu for Debian .::. Size~: 29.49 KB | Oct 19 21:27 |
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| trmanco | gee | Oct 19 21:28 |
| trmanco | I have .exe's on my nokia phone | Oct 19 21:28 |
| trmanco | damn symbian | Oct 19 21:28 |
| trmanco | and it also uses similar paths | Oct 19 21:29 |
| trmanco | like z:\system\libs LOL | Oct 19 21:29 |
| trmanco | the good thing is, it's a 103 MHz ARM | Oct 19 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Maybe that's why... | Oct 19 21:30 |
| schestowitz | !google symbian has malware | Oct 19 21:30 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Symbian Malware Detection | http://symbmalwaredet.blogspot.com/ | Oct 19 21:30 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Signed mobile malware prompts Symbian security review • The Register | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/23/sms_worm_analysis/ | Oct 19 21:30 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Symbian signed malware - does signing matter? - InternetNews:The ... | http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/07/symbian-signed-malware-proof-t.html | Oct 19 21:30 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Symbian malware | http://www.virusbtn.com/pdf/conference_slides/2005/JNiemela_VB2005_sanitized.pdf | Oct 19 21:30 |
| trmanco | I use to have an anti virus | Oct 19 21:31 |
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| trmanco | now I don't | Oct 19 21:31 |
| trmanco | I actually installed one one day on purpose to see if it actually worked | Oct 19 21:31 |
| trmanco | it almost drained mu whole battery in a matter of minutes | Oct 19 21:31 |
| trmanco | my* | Oct 19 21:31 |
| trmanco | it was fun :-P and the anti virus removed it before I was left without any battery life | Oct 19 21:32 |
| Ender2070 | antivirus for a phone? | Oct 19 21:33 |
| Ender2070 | sad | Oct 19 21:34 |
| trmanco | yes | Oct 19 21:34 |
| trmanco | it has various apps for that | Oct 19 21:34 |
| schestowitz | so it wipes Windows? | Oct 19 21:34 |
| trmanco | symbian is like the windows of phones | Oct 19 21:34 |
| Ender2070 | LOL | Oct 19 21:34 |
| MinceR | nope | Oct 19 21:34 |
| trmanco | at least here in europe | Oct 19 21:34 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Wall Street is a scam http://ur1.ca/dycx | Oct 19 21:34 | |
| MinceR | windows mobile is the windows of phones | Oct 19 21:34 |
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| trmanco | in my country | Oct 19 21:34 |
| MinceR | you wouldn't believe how much it sucks | Oct 19 21:34 |
| trmanco | LOL | Oct 19 21:35 |
| Ender2070 | writing an anti virus that kills windows doesn't require any lines of code, just a command line statement in your shell of choice | Oct 19 21:35 |
| trmanco | ok then, symbian tries to imitate Windows and it's was doing a great job at it | Oct 19 21:35 |
| trmanco | it was* | Oct 19 21:35 |
| trmanco | I also have DLL's | Oct 19 21:36 |
| trmanco | LOL | Oct 19 21:36 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: maybe you got mooned [or monoed] | Oct 19 21:41 |
| Lns | isn't symbian oss?? | Oct 19 21:42 |
| trmanco | partially | Oct 19 21:42 |
| trmanco | but it wasn't when my cell was built | Oct 19 21:43 |
| Lns | http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=2582&blogid=14 | Oct 19 21:44 |
| phIRCe | Title: How Nokia Learned to Love Openness - Community - ComputerworldUK .::. Size~: 86.26 KB | Oct 19 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Geez. May Jo's blog is as boring as hell. Just PR | Oct 19 21:44 |
| schestowitz | I miss Beranger's blog... http://www.beranger.org/index.php?article=2465&page=3k | Oct 19 21:44 |
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| MrF | Roy, what did you get in the bpress?, and how are the thrusts going? | Oct 19 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Don't know yet. | Oct 19 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Never done the full thing | Oct 19 21:45 |
| schestowitz | I tried to bench 167.5kg | Oct 19 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | Didn't warm up though | Oct 19 21:45 |
| schestowitz | And it's too much anyway | Oct 19 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Lns: Nokia also loves sw patents | Oct 19 21:45 |
| trmanco | thrusts? | Oct 19 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: http://exercise.about.com/b/2005/02/23/exercise-of-the-week-squat-thrusts-2.htm | Oct 19 21:46 |
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| MrF | I am just getting going now, the new entrant has made me want to go up a gear | Oct 19 21:46 |
| Lns | My point is they're definitely not "the windows of cell phones".. though they aren't the "gnu of cellphones", either. | Oct 19 21:46 |
| MinceR | they're the symbian of cell phones :> | Oct 19 21:47 |
| Lns | haha, +1 MinceR | Oct 19 21:47 |
| trmanco | lol | Oct 19 21:48 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: how much do you do of these? | Oct 19 21:49 |
| schestowitz | 2 minutes max | Oct 19 21:49 |
| schestowitz | it's not exactly the same | Oct 19 21:49 |
| trmanco | it looks more intensive than push ups | Oct 19 21:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.circlingthesun.co.za/?p=190 | Oct 19 21:51 |
| phIRCe | Title: Circlingthesun » Stream audio wirelessly to your desktop speakers with Karmic Koala .::. Size~: 27.28 KB | Oct 19 21:51 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.eracc.com/2009/10/18/gnulinux-security-ubuntu-has-been-cracked/ | Oct 19 21:53 |
| phIRCe | Title: GNU/Linux Security: Ubuntu has been Cracked! The ERACC Web Log .::. Size~: 101.42 KB | Oct 19 21:53 |
| schestowitz | http://mono-nono.com/2009/10/19/1000-comments/ | Oct 19 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | http://blogwire.co.cc/2009/10/migration-from-mac-to-linux/ | Oct 19 21:57 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Is Twitter alive or what? | Oct 19 21:58 | |
| trmanco | yeah it's alive | Oct 19 21:58 |
| trmanco | I've been having problems lately | Oct 19 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Digg renders badly | Oct 19 21:59 |
| schestowitz | css issues, maybe a plugin that I use | Oct 19 22:00 |
| schestowitz | MrF: we never organised anything with Joey | Oct 19 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Nice screenshot here: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ubuntu-linux-communications,2431.html | Oct 19 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | http://ulyssesonline.com/2009/10/18/understanding-php-exception-handling/ | Oct 19 22:05 |
| phIRCe | Title: Understanding PHP Exception Handling » ulyssesonline.com .::. Size~: 38.45 KB | Oct 19 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Weird.... | Oct 19 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Wasn't Mako an FSF staff member???? | Oct 19 22:06 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.joeb454.com/2009/10/an-interview-with-mako/ | Oct 19 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | "My name is Benjamin Mako Hill. I am 28 years old, male, and I live in Somerville, Massachusetts just outside Boston. My day job is doing research at MIT. I am a fellow at the MIT Center for Future Civic Media and am currently doing work on a PhD somewhere between the Sloan School of Management and the MIT Media Lab." | Oct 19 22:06 |
| MrF | i haven't seen joey for a long time | Oct 19 22:08 |
| schestowitz | He was there yesterday | Oct 19 22:09 |
| MrF | what time? | Oct 19 22:11 |
| MrF | i left at 12 | Oct 19 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | jono writes for zeedee now. http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=26136 | Oct 19 22:40 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: is twitter wonky this afternoon? | Oct 19 22:44 |
| schestowitz | You said s/t earlier | Oct 19 22:44 |
| trmanco | yes | Oct 19 22:44 |
| trmanco | it's better now | Oct 19 22:45 |
| schestowitz | api lag maybe? | Oct 19 22:45 |
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| trmanco | yes | Oct 19 22:48 |
| trmanco | connectivity issues | Oct 19 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | Lenovo will pre-install Skype http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1559023/lenovo-pre-install-skype | Oct 19 22:50 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: ok, thanks a lot | Oct 19 22:50 |
| schestowitz | twitfolk will catch up w/ it, so there'll be a lump coming all at once | Oct 19 22:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] This post http://is.gd/4rrAC suggests the Guardian is under an injunction not to name #wikileaks | Oct 19 22:52 | |
| schestowitz | Turns out that McBride was sacked | Oct 19 22:52 |
| schestowitz | I was careful not to guess it | Oct 19 22:52 |
| Ender2070 | lol of course he was | Oct 19 22:54 |
| Ender2070 | caldera went from being respectable, to changing its name to SCO, to making idiotic accusations against Linux | Oct 19 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Back to the ranch then | Oct 19 22:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] It turns out that McBride indeed got sacked... http://ping.fm/iHLMU | Oct 19 22:56 | |
| Ender2070 | people don't understand theres even a link to Novell from SCO | Oct 19 22:56 |
| Ender2070 | they were under the Canopy Group at one time | Oct 19 22:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS126260+15-Oct-2009+PRN20091015 | Oct 19 22:56 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Ehmann has extensive knowledge of | Oct 19 22:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | I find it ironic | Oct 19 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Linux and open-source technologies as well as a thorough understanding of the | Oct 19 22:56 |
| schestowitz | German, Austrian, Swiss and Central European markets. | Oct 19 22:56 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 22:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | a friend of mine may be the largest sco shareholder | Oct 19 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Moody can't give access to his own books | Oct 19 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Sad. | Oct 19 22:57 |
| schestowitz | RT @bkuhn @dantheman, [...] Debian started as an fsf funded project. Most people don't know Ian was funded by FSF at start. | Oct 19 22:57 |
| schestowitz | RT @bkuhn @dantheman [..] @rms hired Ian Murdock at beginning & Ian quit !fsf within a year over binary debugging symbols issue. | Oct 19 22:57 |
| schestowitz | @glynmoody reading on http://ping.fm/yta3R | Oct 19 22:57 |
| phIRCe | Title: Digital code of life: how ... - Google Books .::. Size~: 43.13 KB | Oct 19 22:57 |
| schestowitz | @glynmoody yes, I'm sure Mr. Gates means well and thinks he helps, but investments on the side show how much PR shields him. | Oct 19 22:57 |
| schestowitz | @glynmoody ah, I can't find that online | Oct 19 22:57 |
| schestowitz | @glynmoody they say he was always the "business buy", like Jobs at #Apple (not Woz) | Oct 19 22:57 |
| schestowitz | @glynmoody why #openaccess for books is a good thing. http://ur1.ca/8lyp I have 90k+ pages in my sites (my usenet posts mostly) | Oct 19 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | @glynmoody I C... publisher hostage situation. | Oct 19 22:58 |
| schestowitz | So I basically can't see his book | Oct 19 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Unless I buy it | Oct 19 22:58 |
| Ender2070 | Did Ubuntu release patches for their security problem yet? | Oct 19 22:58 |
| trmanco | which one? | Oct 19 22:59 |
| Ender2070 | oh lol | Oct 19 22:59 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/12419167 | Oct 19 22:59 |
| phIRCe | Title: Bradley M. Kuhn (bkuhn) 's status on Monday, 19-Oct-09 20:18:06 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 7.31 KB | Oct 19 22:59 |
| Ender2070 | that article above wasnt about a real security issue | Oct 19 22:59 |
| schestowitz | @schestowitz, to be clear, !FSF didn't *start* #Debian, FSF just funded Ian early in its history for a while. Hard to summarize in 140 chars | Oct 19 22:59 |
| Ender2070 | just read it now | Oct 19 22:59 |
| schestowitz | @bkuhn yes, that's what I gathered. @jperlow was spreading some #fud about !fsf and !debian last night in irc | Oct 19 22:59 |
| trmanco | :-P | Oct 19 22:59 |
| trmanco | it a way to take the bait | Oct 19 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: they are busy making 9.10 :-) | Oct 19 22:59 |
| trmanco | good attractive flaming title | Oct 19 22:59 |
| Ender2070 | i still have a machine somewhere running ubuntu | Oct 19 23:00 |
| JPerlow | roy, all i said was that Stallman does not endorse Debian and neither does FSF | Oct 19 23:02 |
| JPerlow | how is that spreading fud | Oct 19 23:03 |
| schestowitz | JPerlow: yes, I saw that | Oct 19 23:04 |
| schestowitz | @schestowitz the last time I checked, expressing a dissenting opinion is not "fud" - > @jperlow I guess "disinformation" would have been a better choice of words | Oct 19 23:04 |
| JPerlow | what disinformation are you referring to? | Oct 19 23:04 |
| schestowitz | JPerlow: let me check the log | Oct 19 23:04 |
| JPerlow | it is a statement of fact | Oct 19 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [Sunday 18 Oct 2009] [22:36:04] <JPerlow>debian is not part of the FSF. | Oct 19 23:05 |
| schestowitz | [Sunday 18 Oct 2009] [22:34:52] <JPerlow>I do not subscribe to the FSF's or RMS's definition of ethics, and feel it has no place in Open Source. Period. | Oct 19 23:06 |
| schestowitz | [Sunday 18 Oct 2009] [22:35:14] <fewa>JPerlow, I just brought up another topic as a response-- the Debian Free Software Guidelines | Oct 19 23:06 |
| schestowitz | [Sunday 18 Oct 2009] [22:35:23] <fewa>will you address that JPerlow | Oct 19 23:06 |
| schestowitz | [Sunday 18 Oct 2009] [22:35:24] <schestowitz>What the open source anti-RMians do (like Asay) is like a kid who kicks his dad to the curb once that dad got him through high education, because that father is an 'embarrassment' | Oct 19 23:06 |
| schestowitz | [Sunday 18 Oct 2009] [22:35:25] <fewa>??? | Oct 19 23:06 |
| schestowitz | [Sunday 18 Oct 2009] [22:35:32] <schestowitz>That's what Asay, JPerlow et al are doing imho | Oct 19 23:06 |
| schestowitz | [Sunday 18 Oct 2009] [22:35:43] <JPerlow>fewa: Debian is not even a project that RMS endorses/ | Oct 19 23:06 |
| schestowitz | I guess that "debian is not part of the FSF" is a little unfair | Oct 19 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Since it was funded by it and contains gnu | Oct 19 23:07 |
| JPerlow | Debian is not an FSF sponsored project | Oct 19 23:07 |
| JPerlow | PERIOD | Oct 19 23:07 |
| JPerlow | It is sponsored by SPI | Oct 19 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Debian is not estranged in the fsf's eyes | Oct 19 23:07 |
| JPerlow | It is not a FSF project, period. | Oct 19 23:07 |
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| JPerlow | LISTEN TO HIM SAY IT | Oct 19 23:08 |
| JPerlow | http://www.frugaltechshow.com/stallman | Oct 19 23:08 |
| JPerlow | then get back to me | Oct 19 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | I think you brought this up when arguing with fewa | Oct 19 23:08 |
| JPerlow | do you damn homework before making accusations like that | Oct 19 23:08 |
| schestowitz | To claim that the FSF is 'so crazy' that it won't endorse Debian (that is what I felt you intended to suggest) | Oct 19 23:09 |
| JPerlow | claim? | Oct 19 23:09 |
| JPerlow | It is a statement of fact | Oct 19 23:09 |
| JPerlow | FSF DOES NOT SUPPORT DEBIAN | Oct 19 23:09 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] The ultimate burger of ultimate destiny http://ur1.ca/dyki | Oct 19 23:09 | |
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| schestowitz | RMS uses a Debian variant | Oct 19 23:10 |
| JPerlow | you are skirting around the issue | Oct 19 23:10 |
| schestowitz | But you're are right in stating that the FSF *does* not support Debian | Oct 19 23:10 |
| JPerlow | stallman does not support the debian project | Oct 19 23:10 |
| schestowitz | It did support Debian in the past | Oct 19 23:10 |
| schestowitz | S I retract my statement | Oct 19 23:10 |
| schestowitz | But your issue with the FSF remains. You disagree with them | Oct 19 23:11 |
| Ender2070 | schestowitz - someone had a bounty on them now | Oct 19 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Which I have no problem with | Oct 19 23:11 |
| JPerlow | yes | Oct 19 23:11 |
| Ender2070 | has* | Oct 19 23:11 |
| schestowitz | You didn't misinform, but you spread FSF disdain IMHO | Oct 19 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Like you did with that "RMS as a dinosaur" cartoon | Oct 19 23:11 |
| JPerlow | I do not support their ideology. | Oct 19 23:11 |
| JPerlow | I have a dissenting opinion. | Oct 19 23:12 |
| JPerlow | Dissent is not "fud" | Oct 19 23:12 |
| schestowitz | And then showing heroic steroid Miguel saving the world with MONO *LOL* | Oct 19 23:12 |
| schestowitz | *asteroid | Oct 19 23:12 |
| JPerlow | if you have a point roy I suggest you make it | Oct 19 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Mono - Microsoft on steroids | Oct 19 23:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | sadly, it kind of is | Oct 19 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft on patent (RAND) | Oct 19 23:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | mono is a superior impl of .net | Oct 19 23:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | the c# compiler is better, the bytecode executor is better | Oct 19 23:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont know why microsoft puts up with it | Oct 19 23:13 |
| schestowitz | "Please, PLEASE Ballmer, be "reasonable" with us Linux users......." | Oct 19 23:13 |
| schestowitz | "Don't charge too much for the distro's use of Mono....." | Oct 19 23:13 |
| schestowitz | "Please! God, I'd kick your boots." | Oct 19 23:13 |
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| schestowitz | JPerlow: you are aware that those "fortune 500" companies you say you work for are extorted by Microsoft already, right? | Oct 19 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft comes knocking on their door demanding payments for Linux | Oct 19 23:14 |
| schestowitz | And gets it, too | Oct 19 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Not smart to promote, Mono, mate.... not smart | Oct 19 23:14 |
| voltronw | schestowitz: which companies have paid microsoft for linux, and how much have they paid? | Oct 19 23:15 |
| schestowitz | They don't say | Oct 19 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft keeps it secret | Oct 19 23:15 |
| schestowitz | But it does say it does this | Oct 19 23:15 |
| voltronw | schestowitz: so you have no proof of this? | Oct 19 23:15 |
| schestowitz | And the Linux Foundation knows about it too | Oct 19 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Hold on. As far back as 2007 I have some | Oct 19 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft currently collects royalties from some companies that use Linux in their computing environments, Gutierrez said. However, he declined to indicate the number, the dollar amount Microsoft receives from those payments, or identify any of the companies by name. | Oct 19 23:16 |
| schestowitz | ^quote | Oct 19 23:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199501831 | Oct 19 23:16 |
| Ender2070 | bam | Oct 19 23:16 |
| phIRCe | Title: Microsoft Won't Sue Linux Users, Company Exec Says -- Microsoft Linux -- InformationWeek .::. Size~: 81.44 KB | Oct 19 23:16 |
| Ender2070 | incredible memory +1 | Oct 19 23:16 |
| schestowitz | First time I heard of it was here: | Oct 19 23:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itworldcanada.com/Pages/Docbase/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=idgml-c11627ed-d99b-49d2-983d-d22856181888&Portal=252cc78a-a947-4072-84be-f50cac8ec48e&ParaStart=0&ParaEnd=14&direction=next&News=Daily+ITwire&Next=Next | Oct 19 23:17 |
| phIRCe | Title: Subscription Services .::. Size~: 18.95 KB | Oct 19 23:17 |
| voltronw | that seems like a very flimsy statement to cite as proof | Oct 19 23:17 |
| JPerlow | roy if you want to have a rational discussion we can have one, but it appears you have absolutely no intention of going that route. | Oct 19 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Let me fidn the right part... | Oct 19 23:17 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 23:18 |
| schestowitz | LinuxWorld: We need an extra word for free in the English language now. | Oct 19 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Allison: I’m sure Richard Stallman will come up with one. After all, he works at MIT where Noam Chomsky works. I’m sure Chomsky can come up with something. | Oct 19 23:18 |
| schestowitz | LinuxWorld: That sounds like a good project that maybe he can get a Google Summer of Code student to work on for him. So, you’re at Google now? | Oct 19 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Allison: I am indeed. And you know what they say about Google? It’s like Fight Club. The first rule about Google is you don’t talk about Google. And the second rule about Google is you don’t talk about Google. Now that’s kind of secretive. But fun -- a lot of fun. | Oct 19 23:18 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 19 23:18 |
| schestowitz | voltronw: no, it's not | Oct 19 23:18 |
| schestowitz | But you're here to defend Mono/Novell, so I don't expect you to accept it | Oct 19 23:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.the-source.com/2009/10/on-mono-and-samba/ | Oct 19 23:18 |
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| JPerlow | I'm not here to defend anyone. | Oct 19 23:18 |
| schestowitz | QUOTE: | Oct 19 23:18 |
| schestowitz | I also encourage you to consider all the hoops that Team Mono insists critics people must jump through to criticize Mono, and how Mr. Allison surely meets or exceeds all that I have seen. Yet, I do not see Team Mono accepting his criticism, nor do I see my mailbox filling with acknowledgement that it’s not just crazy zealots that have a problem with Mono. | Oct 19 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Why am I not seeing these things? Because Mono apologists are not honest in their arguments. They like Mono, and will make any argument they think supports it, and ignore or attack anything that they think weakens it. | Oct 19 23:18 |
| schestowitz | It’s a song I’ve sung many times, and this latest wrinkle on Mono == Samba is just one more example of the sloppy reasoning and poor logic behind Team Mono’s defenses. | Oct 19 23:18 |
| schestowitz | UNQUOTE | Oct 19 23:18 |
| voltronw | schestowitz: if you say "i can't tell you which companies have paid or how much they've paid", linking to someone else saying "i can't tell you which companies have paid or how much they've paid" doesn't strengthen your position | Oct 19 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, Allison said in 2007 that Microsoft did racketeering | Oct 19 23:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw | Oct 19 23:19 |
| schestowitz | That was before Gutierrez said it | Oct 19 23:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | mono != samba for one important reason | Oct 19 23:19 |
| schestowitz | And before the May 2007 FUD attack from MSFT | Oct 19 23:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | samba is on the constant verge of being sued by microsoft | Oct 19 23:19 |
| schestowitz | It can't | Oct 19 23:19 |
| schestowitz | The Commission won't permit it | Oct 19 23:20 |
| JPerlow | roy when you want to have a rational discussion I'll be perfectly happy to engage you. until then I have no interest in having circular arguments or watch you put words in my mouth. | Oct 19 23:20 |
| schestowitz | But Microsoft would love to squeeze per-use royalties | Oct 19 23:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | samba is kinda useless though | Oct 19 23:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | it's only major use is to transition windows networks | Oct 19 23:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | SMB, even between two samba users, sucks for print sharing and file sharing | Oct 19 23:21 |
| schestowitz | http://moconews.net/article/419-spotify-thinks-big-carrier-deals-promise-a-trillion-transactions/ | Oct 19 23:21 |
| schestowitz | "“If we can transcend it so that, maybe you don’t actually have to pay for the music, it’s included in your data plan with your carrier or ISP or cable operator; it might be when you buy a new product, a TV screen, that you get one year of music included ... devices like new Samsung TV screens, where they’ve got Linux built in, which allows you to do software on it - they’ve got YouTube built in, they might have Spotify bu | Oct 19 23:21 |
| schestowitz | I don't recall ever using samba | Oct 19 23:22 |
| schestowitz | I had it set up in SUSE once | Oct 19 23:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | I use it when sharing files with windows VMs | Oct 19 23:22 |
| Ender2070 | the thing about smb is this, even though its there to use you don't have a massive effort to get everyone to switch networking protocols to SMB, its there for transition | Oct 19 23:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats about it | Oct 19 23:22 |
| schestowitz | I'm hardly interesting in learning samba, as well | Oct 19 23:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: theres nothing to learn | Oct 19 23:23 |
| schestowitz | It's like learning Windows for Linux use cases | Oct 19 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: I know | Oct 19 23:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | you just apt-get install it, and its there | Oct 19 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Setting things up and stuff | Oct 19 23:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know what the sad part is though? | Oct 19 23:23 |
| amarsh04 | a lot simpler to set up than nfs | Oct 19 23:23 |
| schestowitz | sftp is better | Oct 19 23:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | samba always works with samba friends | Oct 19 23:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | every single goddamned time | Oct 19 23:23 |
| Ender2070 | the samba team doesnt go around saying SMB is the best, and slandering/libeling against those who disagree | Oct 19 23:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | its windows clients and servers that screw up constantly | Oct 19 23:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | even between themselves | Oct 19 23:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, no, you dont use nfs, smb, or sftp for file sharing | Oct 19 23:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | you use sshfs | Oct 19 23:24 |
| cubezzz | SMB was originally IBM I think | Oct 19 23:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: no | Oct 19 23:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | though it probably relies on ibm tech | Oct 19 23:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.twit.tv/floww14 | Oct 19 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | "‘In the section of the interview from around 33m30s to 39m00 Jeremy Allison reports how he was told that the Microsoft team implementing SMB2 were ordered to “f**k with Samba”.’" | Oct 19 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Nice company..... | Oct 19 23:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: at least, not the version envisioned by CIFS | Oct 19 23:25 |
| Ender2070 | was that before or after the chair throwing | Oct 19 23:25 |
| *schestowitz envision Ballmer yelping with a whip | Oct 19 23:25 | |
| Diablo-D3 | its all pointless crap though | Oct 19 23:25 |
| schestowitz | "I'm going to f* kill samba" | Oct 19 23:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | I could literally take 15 minutes and code a better file sharing system with java | Oct 19 23:25 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Oct 19 23:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | I shit you not | Oct 19 23:25 |
| schestowitz | "I'm gonna bury that p*" | Oct 19 23:25 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 19 23:26 |
| cubezzz | Java again? :) | Oct 19 23:26 |
| MinceR | "i've done it before and i'll do it again" | Oct 19 23:26 |
| schestowitz | He never did it before | Oct 19 23:26 |
| Ender2070 | oh yeah guys, lefty put a $500 bounty up - http://extinct-marsupial.org/ | Oct 19 23:26 |
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| schestowitz | That's his problem | Oct 19 23:26 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: he did say that he did, though | Oct 19 23:26 |
| schestowitz | And I guess that by "before" Ballmie was talking about Schmidt at NOVL | Oct 19 23:27 |
| cubezzz | he probably said it lots of times | Oct 19 23:27 |
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| MinceR | http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Steve_Ballmer#Attributed | Oct 19 23:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: whats wrong with java? | Oct 19 23:27 |
| amarsh04 | way too many extinct marsupials... | Oct 19 23:27 |
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| schestowitz | Koala | Oct 19 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Karmic | Oct 19 23:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | java has nearly everything I want already coded correctly | Oct 19 23:28 |
| schestowitz | It even has an Ellison in it | Oct 19 23:29 |
| amarsh04 | didn't quite get that web page | Oct 19 23:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Search-Engines/Google-Eyes-Acquisitions-Amid-27-Profit-Hike-in-Q3-797556/ | Oct 19 23:31 |
| phIRCe | Title: Google Eyes Acquisitions amid 27% Profit Hike in Q3 .::. Size~: 104.42 KB | Oct 19 23:31 |
| schestowitz | How much down can MSFT earnings go on Thurs? | Oct 19 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Any bets? | Oct 19 23:31 |
| schestowitz | More than 30% | Oct 19 23:31 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft VISTA7!! earnings VISTA7!! fell 30% VISTA7!! with profits VISTA7!! that declined VISTA7!! by 24%" | Oct 19 23:32 |
| schestowitz | It's funny how Microsoft tried to bury bad news that day | Oct 19 23:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.liliputing.com/2009/10/the-problem-with-independent-netbook-linux-distros.html | Oct 19 23:35 |
| phIRCe | Title: The problem with independent netbook Linux distros .::. Size~: 38.56 KB | Oct 19 23:35 |
| Ender2070 | netbooks are killing M$ | Oct 19 23:36 |
| Ender2070 | 56% of windows users steal right | Oct 19 23:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.forbes.com/2009/10/15/google-android-mobile-technology-wireless-limo.html | Oct 19 23:37 |
| phIRCe | Title: LiMo Fights Back - Forbes.com .::. Size~: 32.01 KB | Oct 19 23:37 |
| Ender2070 | that was the recent article | Oct 19 23:37 |
| schestowitz | I wouldn't wanna work for LiMo and its buddies right now | Oct 19 23:37 |
| schestowitz | Google is clubbing them | Oct 19 23:37 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: and netbooks grow in sales | Oct 19 23:37 |
| Ender2070 | people buy linux notebooks | Oct 19 23:38 |
| schestowitz | ARM ensures the Microsoft-Intel collusion (there is proof) will be a disservice to them | Oct 19 23:38 |
| Ender2070 | and theres people who buy them to install illegal windows on them | Oct 19 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: less so in the US | Oct 19 23:38 |
| Ender2070 | netbooks | Oct 19 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Remember: for English-speaking news, US sales = universal | Oct 19 23:38 |
| Ender2070 | ms doesnt get money from stolen copies | Oct 19 23:38 |
| schestowitz | They still sell the illusion that MSFT has 10% market search in search | Oct 19 23:38 |
| MinceR | even UK English-speaking news? | Oct 19 23:38 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 19 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Bunch of liars | Oct 19 23:38 |
| Ender2070 | so they are hurting | Oct 19 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Journalists mostly just read others and parrot the same nonsense | Oct 19 23:39 |
| schestowitz | It's easier for them | Oct 19 23:39 |
| Ender2070 | schestowitz - the default browser page in ie is msn.com a search portal | Oct 19 23:39 |
| Ender2070 | thats probably what they are cheating with | Oct 19 23:39 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, UK also | Oct 19 23:39 |
| schestowitz | The 51st state | Oct 19 23:39 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 19 23:39 |
| MinceR | Airstrip One | Oct 19 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: yes, people use msn to search for google | Oct 19 23:40 |
| schestowitz | And it's there in #1 result | Oct 19 23:40 |
| Ender2070 | LOL | Oct 19 23:40 |
| schestowitz | It's the most search for item in Yahoo also | Oct 19 23:40 |
| schestowitz | *searched-for | Oct 19 23:40 |
| cubezzz | in firefox you can just type in the url window for search | Oct 19 23:40 |
| MinceR | perhaps that's why yahoo mentioned the idea of offering a choice between bingo and google | Oct 19 23:41 |
| schestowitz | TITLE: Bong is Not Google - results: "Google" | Oct 19 23:41 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* ... Bingo is too random | Oct 19 23:41 |
| schestowitz | It has a pr0n problem, no wonder | Oct 19 23:41 |
| schestowitz | !google bing porn problem | Oct 19 23:41 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Bing Porn Problem Resolved | WebProNews | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/06/02/bing-brings-sex-to-the-workplace | Oct 19 23:42 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Norton can't block Bing porn | Safe and Secure - CNET News | http://news.cnet.com/8301-19518_3-10256171-238.html | Oct 19 23:42 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Microsoft's New Search Engine Puts Porn in Motion - Science News ... | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,524019,00.html | Oct 19 23:42 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Bing - Smart Motion Preview and SafeSearch - Search Blog - Bing ... | http://www.bing.com/community/blogs/search/archive/2009/06/04/smart-motion-preview-and-safesearch.aspx | Oct 19 23:42 |
| schestowitz | ugly-looking games: http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=R&sa=T&url=http%3A%2F%2Fit-chuiko.com%2Fcomputers%2F886-free-word-games-for-linux-and-windows.html&usg=AFQjCNEq5j05bUUT5agASX3PDrxqabsARg | Oct 19 23:42 |
| phIRCe | Title: Free word games for Linux and Windows » IT - Chuiko | Information Technology News .::. Size~: 40.58 KB | Oct 19 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft shills Andrew Thomas does a shilling job again | Oct 19 23:43 |
| schestowitz | This time with another lie: | Oct 19 23:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/44329/140/ | Oct 19 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw wrote just to debunk this FUD | Oct 19 23:44 |
| schestowitz | He ruined DG Daily | Oct 19 23:44 |
| Ender2070 | ESR is being attacked now | Oct 19 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Once they get the Microsoft "fox" in, their reputation is ruined | Oct 19 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: good | Oct 19 23:44 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Oct 19 23:44 |
| schestowitz | j/k | Oct 19 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: he got attacked a lot after his Islamophobic posts | Oct 19 23:45 |
| schestowitz | He contacted the CIA after getting death threats, IIRC | Oct 19 23:45 |
| Ender2070 | ahh well hes being attacked for defending MikeeeUSA | Oct 19 23:45 |
| Ender2070 | guess who | Oct 19 23:45 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/10/16/tell-dls-what-are-your-top-10-must-have-apps-linux/ | Oct 19 23:46 |
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| schestowitz | Ender2070: eww..... | Oct 19 23:46 |
| schestowitz | THe Reiser apologist | Oct 19 23:46 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Oct 19 23:47 |
| Ender2070 | yeah that was messed up | Oct 19 23:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/10/16/freebsd_adds_support_for_snow_leopards_grand_central_dispatch.html | Oct 19 23:47 |
| phIRCe | Title: AppleInsider | FreeBSD adds support for Snow Leopard's Grand Central Dispatch .::. Size~: 57.54 KB | Oct 19 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: maybe he didn't know what he defended | Oct 19 23:47 |
| Ender2070 | i dont agree with what he said | Oct 19 23:47 |
| schestowitz | ESR is like DaemonFC | Oct 19 23:47 |
| Ender2070 | hes defending him simply over free speech | Oct 19 23:47 |
| MinceR | it's official: there's no free market in hungary (also known as absurdistan) >> (lang:hu_HU) http://index.hu/tech/blog/2009/10/14/pert_vesztett_a_gvh_a_szoftverlicenszugyben/ | Oct 19 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Dudes who would go astray with a big shotgun | Oct 19 23:47 |
| Ender2070 | not the content | Oct 19 23:47 |
| Ender2070 | he actually thinks MikeeeUSA is scum | Oct 19 23:48 |
| Ender2070 | but thinks he should have the right to say whatever he wants | Oct 19 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Oct 19 23:48 |
| schestowitz | RMS might agree | Oct 19 23:48 |
| cubezzz | everybody says what they want :) | Oct 19 23:48 |
| schestowitz | RMS is strongly anti-censorship | Oct 19 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Of almost all sorts | Oct 19 23:48 |
| Ender2070 | i would agree too, im anti censorship | Oct 19 23:48 |
| Ender2070 | even if you say something i dont like | Oct 19 23:48 |
| Ender2070 | i have the freedom to disagree with it | Oct 19 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | "A Fővárosi Ítélőtábla helybenhagyta az első fokú bírósági döntést és jogerősen elutasította a Gazdasági Versenyhivatal (GVH) keresetét az úgynevezett szoftverlicenszügyben." | Oct 19 23:49 |
| Ender2070 | as for reiser i dont think hes guilty, i think his wife took off back to russia and framed him | Oct 19 23:49 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I thought it was another Ballmerbundle in absurdistan | Oct 19 23:49 |
| MinceR | probably. | Oct 19 23:49 |
| schestowitz | But it's not about MSFT | Oct 19 23:49 |
| schestowitz | I can't see the brand there | Oct 19 23:49 |
| MinceR | it's both about m$ and the mockery of a state we have here | Oct 19 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Didn't sarko come from Hungary? | Oct 19 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Let me check | Oct 19 23:50 |
| MinceR | we have a law about deciding public procurement via tenders and you can see how it isn't worth anything | Oct 19 23:50 |
| MinceR | he has a hungarian name | Oct 19 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Yes, he was | Oct 19 23:51 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarko | Oct 19 23:51 |
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| schestowitz | "He is the son of Pál István Ernő Sárközy de Nagy-Bócsa, (Hungarian: nagybócsai Sárközy Pál; some sources spell it Nagy-Bócsay Sárközy Pál István Ernő; Pal_sarkozy.ogg Hungarian pronunciation (help·info) nɒɟ͡ʝboːt͡ʃɒi ʃaːrkøzi paːl)[6] a Hungarian aristocrat,[7] and Andrée Jeanne "Dadu" Mallah (b. Paris, 12 October 1925), who is of French Catholic and Ottoman-Sephardic Jewish descent." | Oct 19 23:51 |
| MinceR | hm, they've locked out the bot already? | Oct 19 23:51 |
| schestowitz | You exported him to France | Oct 19 23:51 |
| schestowitz | They want a refund | Oct 19 23:51 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: the bot is due back in the zoo at 01:00 | Oct 19 23:52 |
| MinceR | they got what they paid for :> | Oct 19 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Napole~1 | Oct 19 23:52 |
| MinceR | i don't know about the zoo, but WP said 403 to the bot | Oct 19 23:52 |
| MinceR | and i could load the same URL | Oct 19 23:52 |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/borkborkbork | Oct 19 23:52 |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/swedish_chef | Oct 19 23:52 |
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| schestowitz | Weird that | Oct 19 23:53 |
| MinceR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page | Oct 19 23:53 |
| phIRCe | Title: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 55.31 KB | Oct 19 23:53 |
| MinceR | (one without redirect) | Oct 19 23:53 |
| MinceR | strange. | Oct 19 23:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9139482/IBM_plans_big_hardware_upgrade_next_year | Oct 19 23:53 |
| phIRCe | Title: IBM plans big hardware upgrade next year .::. Size~: 135.82 KB | Oct 19 23:53 |
| schestowitz | Ignoramus press thinks computer=desktop | Oct 19 23:56 |
| schestowitz | "Linux based systems have remained niche players for years." http://www.pbs.org/nbr/blog/2009/10/a_big_week_in_computerland.html | Oct 19 23:56 |
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| schestowitz | Tell that to IBM< PBS | Oct 19 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Massive Linux deployment: http://www.t3.com/news/uruguay-government-gives-every-student-a-laptop?=41487 http://www.techradar.com/news/mobile-computing/laptops/olpc-in-hands-of-all-uruguay-s-primary-kids-643136 | Oct 19 23:57 |
| phIRCe | Title: Uruguay government gives every student a laptop | T3 magazine .::. Size~: 28.18 KB | Oct 19 23:57 |
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| MinceR | also, tell it to supercomputer owners/operators | Oct 19 23:57 |
| MinceR | where winblows has about 1% market share | Oct 19 23:57 |
| MinceR | and the rest is gnu/linux and proprietary unix | Oct 19 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Time for BillG to go to Uruguary and shove some drugs down the throats, call it charity | Oct 19 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Then take the president aside and try to derail the Linux push | Oct 19 23:58 |
| schestowitz | As he did some years back | Oct 19 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Gates will Save Uruguay with Vista | Oct 19 23:59 |
| cubezzz | funny | Oct 19 23:59 |
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