| cubezzz | really that's funny | Oct 20 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | Gates is like those USian mercenaries who committed acts of terror across America... but Gates is more smiley and he fights with 'solutions' (not the napalm-type) | Oct 20 00:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techwatch.co.uk/2009/10/16/palm-pre-out-today-in-the-uk/ | Oct 20 00:01 |
| Ender2070 | "Linux is not in the public domain. Linux is a cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches. That's the way that the license works." Balmer | Oct 20 00:01 |
| cubezzz | or Microsoft itself is the cancer, it all depends on your point of view | Oct 20 00:02 |
| schestowitz | "Ballmer is a cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches. That's the way that the Ballmer works." Linux | Oct 20 00:02 |
| schestowitz | there | Oct 20 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | Fixed it for ya! :-) | Oct 20 00:02 |
| MinceR | :D | Oct 20 00:02 |
| schestowitz | EarthTime has moved from press release to flamy blogs now... http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/290636,test-windows-7-better-than-mac-os-x-and-linux.html | Oct 20 00:03 |
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| cubezzz | I have to think a big part of the reason why Microsoft took over PCs (for a while) was the fact that people are lazy | Oct 20 00:03 |
| schestowitz | EarthTime maybe begs for attention, who knows | Oct 20 00:03 |
| schestowitz | They usually just aggregate prneswire | Oct 20 00:03 |
| schestowitz | *prnewswire | Oct 20 00:04 |
| MinceR | nah | Oct 20 00:04 |
| cubezzz | and Gates targeted schools | Oct 20 00:04 |
| MinceR | m$ product doesn't let people be lazy | Oct 20 00:04 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: but we know better | Oct 20 00:04 |
| MinceR | i think the main reason is that ibm allowed them to play their games | Oct 20 00:04 |
| schestowitz | See Comes | Oct 20 00:04 |
| schestowitz | it's not luck | Oct 20 00:04 |
| MinceR | while ibm slept | Oct 20 00:04 |
| schestowitz | It's sheer aggression and corruption | Oct 20 00:04 |
| MinceR | and provided probably the first open personal computing architecture | Oct 20 00:04 |
| schestowitz | That's what the US concluded in the lawsuits vs Microsoft | Oct 20 00:04 |
| MinceR | (other hw manufacturers could produce PC clones) | Oct 20 00:05 |
| schestowitz | That's why they compensate states for overcharging | Oct 20 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Though it's just a drop (spit) in the buket | Oct 20 00:05 |
| schestowitz | *bucket | Oct 20 00:05 |
| schestowitz | See BeOS for details | Oct 20 00:05 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/petition.pdf | Oct 20 00:05 |
| MinceR | well, there's an element of luck | Oct 20 00:05 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft’s Brad Silverberg: “Cut Those F*ckers Off” | Oct 20 00:06 |
| schestowitz | "“Microsoft retaliated against industry participants that supported DR-DOS. For example, when Z-Nix Inc. bundled DR-DOS 6.0 and Microsoft Windows 3.1, proclaiming no incompatibilities, Microsoft’s Brad Silverberg wrote: “look what znix is doing! cut those fuckers off.” Within three weeks, Microsoft demanded an audit of Z-Nix’s entire business and then commenced a copyright and trademark infringement action. Z-Nix was | Oct 20 00:06 |
| schestowitz | forced to file for bankruptcy in or around 1995″" | Oct 20 00:06 |
| cubezzz | we had a pre-windows computer industry, and windows just creeped along... | Oct 20 00:06 |
| MinceR | when they've managed to get their hands on a CP/M-86 clone based on stolen CP/M-86 code and managed to con IBM into buying it | Oct 20 00:06 |
| cubezzz | then BeOS failed, Commodore failed, and what else... | Oct 20 00:06 |
| MinceR | had to be in the right place at the right time | Oct 20 00:06 |
| cubezzz | Kildare was off doing something | Oct 20 00:06 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: With the wrogn ethics | Oct 20 00:06 |
| MinceR | that's not "wrong ethics", that's a lack of ethics | Oct 20 00:07 |
| schestowitz | Y4s | Oct 20 00:07 |
| schestowitz | But it was reversal | Oct 20 00:07 |
| schestowitz | [00:06] <MinceR> had to be in the right place at the right time | Oct 20 00:07 |
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| MinceR | In Soviet Russia, ethics ignore YOU? | Oct 20 00:07 |
| MinceR | or something. | Oct 20 00:07 |
| schestowitz | In YOU, Russia ignores ethics | Oct 20 00:07 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 20 00:07 |
| schestowitz | Uncle sam wants YOU....................in PRISON! | Oct 20 00:08 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 20 00:08 |
| MinceR | on behalf of b$a and the MAFIAA | Oct 20 00:08 |
| schestowitz | “If users never turn on Windows and it satisfies users' needs, then it could happen,” said Wong. http://www.itpro.co.uk/616264/acer-reveals-android-powered-netbook | Oct 20 00:09 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: and WIPO (Basel IIRC) and NWO | Oct 20 00:09 |
| schestowitz | aka WTO | Oct 20 00:09 |
| MinceR | that too | Oct 20 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Give us your seeds | Oct 20 00:10 |
| schestowitz | We give you access to our patents | Oct 20 00:10 |
| schestowitz | Give us your metals | Oct 20 00:10 |
| MinceR | gn | Oct 20 00:10 |
| schestowitz | We give you old computers with toxins to use your continent as a garbage dump | Oct 20 00:10 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2007/08/03/waste-africa/ | Oct 20 00:11 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/18/uruguay-becomes-first-nation-to-provide-a-laptop-for-every-prima/ :-D | Oct 20 00:12 |
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| schestowitz | MIT to the rescure | Oct 20 00:12 |
| schestowitz | No quarterly profit and sunk | Oct 20 00:12 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz alas, no: it was written before CC licences even existed, so I couldn't ask for that in the negotiations..." | Oct 20 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Publishers vs. authors | Oct 20 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/19/windows_dell_linux_refund/ | Oct 20 00:27 |
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| schestowitz | karma point for Dell, for a change | Oct 20 00:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/10/19/police_smartphone/ | Oct 20 00:29 |
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| schestowitz | The Register feeds Microsoft shill Thomas' FUD now | Oct 20 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Shame, shame.... | Oct 20 00:29 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @evgenymorozov now that Kaspersky has called for the end to anonymity, his recent appointment to Russia's Public Chamber makes sense | Oct 20 00:32 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @evgenymorozov now that Kaspersky has called for the end to anonymity, his recent appointment to Russia's Public Chamber makes sense | Oct 20 00:32 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT@glynmoody RT @manekd RT @jonhoneyball: speechless RT @dhmorton: This is just heartbreaking stuff http://bit.ly/4cGoDg | Oct 20 00:34 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Vedanta, the new Trafigura? - http://bit.ly/482EgP shameful story of UK company (via @monkchips) | Oct 20 00:35 | |
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| tessier | Bwahahaha | Oct 20 00:40 |
| tessier | http://www.liquidmatrix.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/ballmer.jpg | Oct 20 00:40 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What to do with mysql? http://ping.fm/UITeG I'm with Monty on this one, based on what I know. | Oct 20 00:41 | |
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| schestowitz | What's Mozilla doin'? :-o http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/10/19/1215230/Mozilla-Unblocks-Microsofts-NET-Addon | Oct 20 00:41 |
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| tessier | Uncle Fester! That's totally what he looks like. | Oct 20 00:43 |
| schestowitz | Depends on the occasion | Oct 20 00:43 |
| schestowitz | He and his wife paid Obama $50k each | Oct 20 00:43 |
| schestowitz | !google fester ritz ballmer | Oct 20 00:44 |
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| phIRCe | [2] - NSAA ACADEMIC ALL-STATE AWARDS | http://www.nsaahome.org/awards/springallstate09.pdf | Oct 20 00:44 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Indian Latest News : Blog Profile - feedmap.net | http://www.feedmap.net/blog/indian-latest-news-begumpet-hyderabad/90A4E0A5FA2873069F4479291E50C706.aspx | Oct 20 00:44 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Caption Contest: Win Vista and Office! | Betanews | http://www.betanews.com/article/Caption-Contest-Win-Vista-and-Office/1170193526 | Oct 20 00:44 |
| schestowitz | !google fester ritz ballmer youtube | Oct 20 00:44 |
| phIRCe | [1] - My Cultural Landscape: March 2009 | http://myculturallandscape.blogspot.com/2009_03_01_archive.html | Oct 20 00:44 |
| phIRCe | [2] - a aa aaa aaaa aaacn aaah aaai aaas - MIT | http://www.mit.edu/~ecprice/wordlist.100000 | Oct 20 00:44 |
| phIRCe | [3] - 2786361 ENGLISH 2248585 ONE 2238143 TWO 2211882 DATE 2167660 MORE ... | http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/lsl/Nice/Urdu-MT/code/Tools/Transliterator/merged.hist | Oct 20 00:44 |
| phIRCe | [4] - 11/01/2008 - Hullabaloo | http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008_10_01_archive.html | Oct 20 00:44 |
| schestowitz | !google putting on the ritz ballmer youtube | Oct 20 00:44 |
| phIRCe | [1] - YouTube - Young FrankenSteve | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dm6rqXHX3O48 | Oct 20 00:44 |
| phIRCe | [2] - YouTube - Young Frankenstein - Funniest Scene (Old Hermit Scene) | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dcw2IIU0a9qw | Oct 20 00:44 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Puttin on the Ritz - Young Frankenstein | http://digg.com/movies/Puttin_on_the_Ritz_Young_Frankenstein | Oct 20 00:44 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Ballmer: Apple logo costs $500 | The Apple Core | ZDNet.com | http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/%3Fp%3D3432 | Oct 20 00:44 |
| schestowitz | There it is | Oct 20 00:44 |
| schestowitz | Young Ballmerstein | Oct 20 00:44 |
| schestowitz | You may have already seen it. If not, go for it. http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dm6rqXHX3O48 "Super duper!!!" | Oct 20 00:45 |
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| trmanco | gn everybody | Oct 20 00:47 |
| schestowitz | http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Oct-19.html | Oct 20 00:51 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/10/missing-system-icons-ubuntu-karmic.html | Oct 20 00:57 |
| schestowitz | What a silly idea: http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/10/19/oracle-preparing-unbreakable-mysql/ (Oracle: Preparing Unbreakable MySQL?) | Oct 20 01:02 |
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| schestowitz | ThundrBird 3.0: http://www.pmabox.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=32:thunderbird-nightmare-in-windows-or-ubuntu&catid=1 | Oct 20 01:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Goodbye, Darl. It all happened so fast. http://ping.fm/EqY95 (Darl McBride quotes) Good day for Linux. | Oct 20 01:12 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/quotes/showperson.phtml?pid=1 | Oct 20 01:13 |
| qsheets | too many likns | Oct 20 01:14 |
| schestowitz | :-> I was just going to actually post many | Oct 20 01:16 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Parody: #Linux is "Too" Open http://www.reallylinux.com/docs/linuxtooopen.shtml #gnu | Oct 20 01:48 | |
| DaemonFC | I lose $100 a month next year starting in May | Oct 20 01:48 |
| DaemonFC | there's no cost of living allowance, but my Medicare premiums will be $100 a month | Oct 20 01:48 |
| DaemonFC | sweet | Oct 20 01:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] UNO General Secretary Contacted about #Linux #Nanorobot http://bit.ly/RFIjl | Oct 20 01:49 | |
| DaemonFC | I guess I'll be eating canned cat food but I'll have insurance | Oct 20 01:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Austria Tells a #GNU #Linux Success Story from #Schools http://ur1.ca/dz05 | Oct 20 01:51 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What Comes on October 23rd? Everything #Linux Store (ELS)! http://ur1.ca/dz0d | Oct 20 01:53 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: lose, eh? | Oct 20 01:54 |
| schestowitz | From the wage? | Oct 20 01:54 |
| schestowitz | It's like alimony | Oct 20 01:54 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: They say inflation has gone down, so nobody living on social security retirement or disability gets an increase | Oct 20 01:54 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: canned food is OK. Not cats' | Oct 20 01:54 |
| DaemonFC | but I have to go on Medicare, no choice, so they'll take $100 / mo for that starting in May | Oct 20 01:54 |
| Ender2070 | gotta love the good old us of a | Oct 20 01:55 |
| schestowitz | How's canada w/ healthcare? | Oct 20 01:55 |
| Ender2070 | excellent | Oct 20 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | I don't see inflation going down | Oct 20 01:55 |
| schestowitz | Moore says CUba outpaces the US :-) | Oct 20 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | I don't see the price of food, rent, or gasoline or electricity going down | Oct 20 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | where is this negative inflation they speak of? | Oct 20 01:55 |
| Ender2070 | cuba does but thats because they save money not putting people through trials | Oct 20 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | luxury cars aren't selling, so they take it out of the ass of people on disability? | Oct 20 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | that's the only thing I can think of | Oct 20 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | the price of a lot of things I don't ever buy must be what's going down | Oct 20 01:56 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - cant even get into politics seriously unless you are rich, you surprised? | Oct 20 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, They don't WANT me in politics, because I've lived through their bullshit for years and I am pissed | Oct 20 01:57 |
| DaemonFC | that's why they block the everyman from politics | Oct 20 01:57 |
| Ender2070 | its a little easier in canada | Oct 20 01:57 |
| Ender2070 | you vote for seats, not the leader | Oct 20 01:57 |
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| Ender2070 | each area has its own leader who gets a seat in the house of commons | Oct 20 01:58 |
| Ender2070 | the most seats determins the ruling party | Oct 20 01:58 |
| Ender2070 | determines* | Oct 20 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | if they put some poor and middle class people in the house and senate, our government would start looking a hell of a lot different | Oct 20 01:58 |
| mutx | it's called the "westminster system" | Oct 20 01:58 |
| Ender2070 | it also means | Oct 20 01:58 |
| Ender2070 | independants will never become leaders | Oct 20 01:58 |
| Ender2070 | because they can only get a single seat | Oct 20 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | I'm honestly too pissed at those drug and insurance cartels to take their bribes | Oct 20 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | I'd be out for their heads | Oct 20 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | that's why they don't want people like me in the government | Oct 20 01:59 |
| Ender2070 | money is evil, it corrupts everyone | Oct 20 01:59 |
| mutx | and at least in Aus, independents often get the deciding votes in a hung parliment so they get all the power. | Oct 20 01:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #WashingtonTimes Writer Likes #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/3NIhKk | Oct 20 02:00 | |
| mutx | people can be evil, things cant | Oct 20 02:00 |
| Ender2070 | our system isnt called the westminster system | Oct 20 02:00 |
| Ender2070 | though yours is probably based on ours | Oct 20 02:00 |
| mutx | in canada ? | Oct 20 02:00 |
| Ender2070 | our government was set up when England gave up on us | Oct 20 02:00 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Oct 20 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | Obama is trying to make up for the no cost of living increase by giving social security recipients $300 checks | Oct 20 02:01 |
| DaemonFC | that'll be gone in no time | Oct 20 02:01 |
| Ender2070 | that was before their queen gave up their country too | Oct 20 02:01 |
| DaemonFC | when you live on disability income, things you need end up piling up on the back burner cause of things you need worse | Oct 20 02:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Suggestions for Increasing Penetration of #GNU #Linux in the Desktop http://ur1.ca/dz15 | Oct 20 02:02 | |
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| DaemonFC | this computer represents all my spending money from this entire year | Oct 20 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | probably more | Oct 20 02:02 |
| Will_ | schestowitz: http://kotaku.com/5384543/windows-7-what-happened-to-gaming | Oct 20 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | glad I had a rainy day fund or I wouldn't have had a working PC for months | Oct 20 02:02 |
| Will_ | DaemonFC: what happened to you PC? | Oct 20 02:03 |
| Will_ | s/you/your | Oct 20 02:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Suggestions for Upgrading from #MacOSX to #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/K3QfV | Oct 20 02:03 | |
| DaemonFC | Will_, The one I had before? Motherboard failure | Oct 20 02:03 |
| Will_ | ouch | Oct 20 02:03 |
| DaemonFC | the PSU fried the motherboard on its way out | Oct 20 02:03 |
| DaemonFC | Will_, That's why I didn't go with Intel stuff this time | Oct 20 02:04 |
| mutx | in australia, they gave everyone a $1300 cheque if they are on a pension, or disability, then they increased the pension payment and method, they subsidise rent, pay all medical, and subsidise prescriptions, so you pay $5.00 each no matter the real cost. | Oct 20 02:04 |
| DaemonFC | I've had nothing but crap from their CPUs and motherboards anyway | Oct 20 02:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux on #Mainframe #Servers to Benefit from #Hardware Boost http://ur1.ca/dz1q | Oct 20 02:05 | |
| DaemonFC | No Intel system I've had has lasted more than 3 years | Oct 20 02:05 |
| Will_ | And as much as you talk about audio encoding, you probably need something at least moderately beefy. | Oct 20 02:05 |
| DaemonFC | Will_, This system hasn't been bothered by anything I've thrown at it so far | Oct 20 02:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Gets Drivers for More Scanners, 2.6.32 in Review http://ur1.ca/dz1t http://ur1.ca/dxno #kernel | Oct 20 02:07 | |
| Ender2070 | In Canada there is a second career program for those who are laid off. The government will pay for school and pay you living expenses while you attend. Up to 2 years @ 28K per year CND | Oct 20 02:07 |
| schestowitz | Hey, wallc | Oct 20 02:07 |
| wallc | Hiya! | Oct 20 02:07 |
| Will_ | schestowitz: I think we are starting to see the first non-bribed reviews of 7 trickling out | Oct 20 02:08 |
| mutx | we have NEIS in Australia, it's a small business course, with certification, they pay you to start you're own business, and give you ongoing support, they also have training schemes and work incentive schemes. and no 2 year limit. | Oct 20 02:08 |
| schestowitz | Will_: indeed | Oct 20 02:08 |
| Will_ | schestowitz: see previous link. Gaming site pretty much says "meh" to Windows 7 upgrade for gaming. | Oct 20 02:09 |
| schestowitz | Like the PC World editor | Oct 20 02:09 |
| schestowitz | He wrote "oh s*! Not again" | Oct 20 02:09 |
| schestowitz | Where he said Vista 7 is another Vista | Oct 20 02:09 |
| schestowitz | I actually think Vista had A LOT more hype and marketing | Oct 20 02:10 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is losing the plot | Oct 20 02:10 |
| schestowitz | And I'm not seeing the trollfloods that I saw back then (every time there is a major release) | Oct 20 02:10 |
| schestowitz | When it's released, pick up the financial result and splatter it around | Oct 20 02:10 |
| schestowitz | Make it be seen for the truly pathetic defeat that it is (the date of VIsta 7 launch) | Oct 20 02:11 |
| DaemonFC | I collected all the Chaos Emeralds and beat Sonic The Hedgehog again today | Oct 20 02:11 |
| DaemonFC | yay | Oct 20 02:11 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Oct 20 02:11 |
| Will_ | schestowitz: I think it did too. Even Wal-mart was hyping Vista up. | Oct 20 02:11 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft wishes it didn't have to tell investors about results | Oct 20 02:11 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Sonic is still going? | Oct 20 02:11 |
| schestowitz | I played like all of them when it was young. | Oct 20 02:11 |
| DaemonFC | there's new games out, I've been replaying all the old Genesis ones though | Oct 20 02:12 |
| schestowitz | I still have my portable Sega somewhere | Oct 20 02:13 |
| schestowitz | It ought to work, with Shinobi and stuff | Oct 20 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Gens compiles on Linux | Oct 20 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | it's mainly a Windows thing though | Oct 20 02:13 |
| Will_ | schestowitz: If the results are bad, it should be interesting to see if it gets blamed on "the economy" considering that Apple just posted their best quarter ever | Oct 20 02:16 |
| schestowitz | THey will | Oct 20 02:17 |
| schestowitz | They already have | Oct 20 02:17 |
| schestowitz | ballmer did the prelude b/f the w/e | Oct 20 02:17 |
| schestowitz | "It's a tough economy... it won't improve any time soon, yada yada" | Oct 20 02:17 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft execs sold as much stock as they could. Turner, Liddel, Turner, and Gates are the ones I know about for sure. They dumped | Oct 20 02:18 |
| schestowitz | /Turner/Mundie/ | Oct 20 02:19 |
| schestowitz | Mundie sold _a THIRD_ of his shares 1-2 months go | Oct 20 02:19 |
| schestowitz | I guess he ain't so "Vixited!" about Vista7 | Oct 20 02:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #iMagic #GNU #Linux Distribution in Review http://ur1.ca/dz2j , There's Something for Everyone http://ur1.ca/dz2l | Oct 20 02:22 | |
| schestowitz | BTW, Microsoft can see those "non-bribed" reviews, but "non-bribed" usually means "not MSDN subscriber" or "WIndows fanboy" | Oct 20 02:22 |
| schestowitz | Average users never tried the thing, just techies | Oct 20 02:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat 's CEO Explains How to Make Money from Giving Away Software http://ur1.ca/dz2w | Oct 20 02:24 | |
| Will_ | schestowitz: Here's the thing: in some ways, Win7 might just present an even better opening than Vista did/should have. Here's why: there is no upgrade-in-place for XP-->7. It requires a clean install. Having installed Win7 RC in a VM, I can say that the process isn't much different from a modern Linux install (though the Win7 install takes longer). If the user can upgrade to Windows 7, they are equally capable of up | Oct 20 02:25 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of the New #Parsix #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/4j5tLH #iran #school | Oct 20 02:26 | |
| Will_ | This of course doesn't apply to people that only change the OS when they change the computer, and it won't be of any help if they still don't know about other options. | Oct 20 02:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Linux #Google #Phones from #Motorola and #EBook Readers Also http://ur1.ca/dz33 http://ur1.ca/dz34 | Oct 20 02:28 | |
| Will_ | Not to mention that anyone capable of successfully navigating the Windows SKU paths should be plenty capable of learning Linux :) | Oct 20 02:29 |
| schestowitz | When is Ubuntu release? | Oct 20 02:29 |
| schestowitz | 26th? | Oct 20 02:29 |
| schestowitz | 28th? | Oct 20 02:29 |
| Will_ | Oct 29 | Oct 20 02:30 |
| schestowitz | There's time to beat that drum too? As for myself, I'm on the beta ATM. Been on it since alpha | Oct 20 02:30 |
| Will_ | according to the website | Oct 20 02:30 |
| schestowitz | Some say that Apple and Google will throw party p00pers | Oct 20 02:30 |
| schestowitz | No idea what | Oct 20 02:30 |
| schestowitz | Google has products to unveil | Oct 20 02:30 |
| schestowitz | To steal thunder in the news | Oct 20 02:30 |
| Will_ | Rumor is Apple might be announcing a refresh to their desktop line soon. | Oct 20 02:32 |
| mutx | http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=MSFT#chart10:symbol=msft;range=my;compare=goog+orcl+ibm+aapl+rht;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined | Oct 20 02:34 |
| mutx | interesting comparison. | Oct 20 02:34 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832205908 | Oct 20 02:34 |
| Will_ | The big problem is and always has been that 7 doesn't just have to be as good as XP. It has to be compellngly better than XP. | Oct 20 02:34 |
| DaemonFC | can't go wrong for $5 | Oct 20 02:34 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #WebOS and #Linux : How it All Fits http://bit.ly/3tDyhR #palm | Oct 20 02:37 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Phones Mock Apple's #HypePhone ? http://ur1.ca/dz3q http://ur1.ca/dz3r | Oct 20 02:39 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Sub-notebooks Spread Widely, with Sugar http://ur1.ca/dz3u http://ur1.ca/dz3v http://ur1.ca/dz3w | Oct 20 02:40 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #CrunchPad #GNU #Linux Tablet Might Come This Year http://bit.ly/4bPNri | Oct 20 02:41 | |
| Will_ | schestowitz: Hot off /. http://slashdot.org/story/09/10/19/2229212/Microsoft-May-Be-Inflating-SharePoint-Stats?art_pos=2 | Oct 20 02:41 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft? Lying | Oct 20 02:43 |
| schestowitz | ? | Oct 20 02:43 |
| schestowitz | Can't be | Oct 20 02:43 |
| Ender2070 | never! | Oct 20 02:43 |
| schestowitz | Who said "If you can’t make it good, at least make it look good"? | Oct 20 02:43 |
| moshe_ | re:will....that's the problem Linux has...it can't be as good as Windows it has to be much better | Oct 20 02:43 |
| moshe_ | in some ways it is | Oct 20 02:44 |
| Ender2070 | in most ways it is | Oct 20 02:44 |
| schestowitz | Mary PR Foley and others spread those lies | Oct 20 02:44 |
| moshe_ | not most...some | Oct 20 02:44 |
| schestowitz | Very enthusiastically, too | Oct 20 02:44 |
| schestowitz | Bishop also | Oct 20 02:44 |
| moshe_ | think applications and Linux fails | Oct 20 02:45 |
| Will_ | moshe_: touche | Oct 20 02:45 |
| Ender2070 | moshe_ - video games maybe | Oct 20 02:45 |
| schestowitz | Piss off, Gary | Oct 20 02:45 |
| moshe_ | truth hurts Roy? | Oct 20 02:45 |
| Will_ | depends on the app, though. And even then, is it the OS's fault, or the app dev's fault | Oct 20 02:45 |
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| Ender2070 | most of the important apps have alternatives | Oct 20 02:46 |
| moshe_ | doesn't matter whose fault it is. people care much less about the os than the applications | Oct 20 02:46 |
| *schestowitz sets ban on moshe_!*@* | Oct 20 02:46 | |
| *schestowitz has kicked moshe_ from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Oct 20 02:46 | |
| schestowitz | That's the guy who libels me | Oct 20 02:46 |
| Ender2070 | oh really? | Oct 20 02:46 |
| schestowitz | Who pretends to be me and attacks me in all sorts of way | Oct 20 02:46 |
| schestowitz | He's a criminal | Oct 20 02:46 |
| schestowitz | Needs to be locked up really | Oct 20 02:46 |
| Ender2070 | i wonder if he has anything to do with someone trying to frame me | Oct 20 02:47 |
| schestowitz | No, why? | Oct 20 02:47 |
| Ender2070 | someone was here "impersonating" lefty, using my first name in their ident | Oct 20 02:48 |
| Ender2070 | im Brandon Lozza | Oct 20 02:49 |
| schestowitz | Silvio Berlusconi's TV company filmed bribery case judge http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/6360026/Silvio-Berlusconis-TV-company-filmed-bribery-case-judge.html | Oct 20 02:49 |
| schestowitz | "Italian magistrates and the opposition have complained after a TV channel owned by Silvio Berlusconi secretly filmed a judge who ruled against him in a bribery case." | Oct 20 02:49 |
| Will_ | Here's the problem with the "doesn't matter whose fault it is" answer: if we don't look for the source of the problem, how to we fix it? And if the problem isn't Linux, then what are the Linux devs expected to do about it? I mean, I don't see people saying that the Xbox or PS3 are at fault because they can't play Mario games. | Oct 20 02:49 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: yeah, well... we don't want psychopaths here | Oct 20 02:50 |
| schestowitz | Especially the malicious ones that break the rules | Oct 20 02:50 |
| schestowitz | Such as issuing threats | Oct 20 02:50 |
| schestowitz | Or attacking others | Oct 20 02:50 |
| mutx | he did neither here just then. | Oct 20 02:50 |
| Ender2070 | yeah but i've been trying to find out if the person shows up again so i can get them | Oct 20 02:50 |
| schestowitz | mutx: he did | Oct 20 02:51 |
| schestowitz | Not here | Oct 20 02:51 |
| schestowitz | Been doing it _For years_ | Oct 20 02:51 |
| schestowitz | many thousands of times | Oct 20 02:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.streetinsider.com/General+News/Details+On+the+Raj+Rajaratnam+SEC+Insider-Trading+Case/5023341.html | Oct 20 02:52 |
| schestowitz | "Today, billionaire hedge fund manager Raj Rajaratnam was arrested on insider-trading charges. The SEC filed a formal complaint in court alleging that Rajaratnam tapped into his network of friends and close business associates to obtain insider tips." | Oct 20 02:52 |
| schestowitz | SEC produces many criminals | Oct 20 02:52 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Madoff will be envious of this chap | Oct 20 02:52 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2009/10/17/how-wall-street-is-making-its-billions/ | Oct 20 02:52 |
| schestowitz | 'Wall Street banks have had profitable quarters. JPMorgan Chase reported $3.6 billion in profit (more than $1 billion per month). Goldman Sachs was only slightly behind, at $3.2 billion. These profits supposedly came from “trading.” I asked a friend who has worked in the money business how this was possible." | Oct 20 02:52 |
| schestowitz | Robert Khuzami and the Securities and Exchange Commission's enforcement division have a new chief operating officer, according to Bloomberg News. Adam Storch, a 29-year-old former Goldman Sachs manager, joined the SEC staff Tuesday, and the agency announced his new post in a statement Friday. His primary task will be to make the division more efficient."" | Oct 20 02:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/former-goldman-sachs-exec-named-sec-enforcement-division-coo/?cs=36766 | Oct 20 02:53 |
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| Guest7655 | Nice try Roy, but there is nothing you can do...you are owned. So how is Jon treating you? | Oct 20 02:54 |
| Guest7655 | You really got your clock cleaned on that interview. | Oct 20 02:54 |
| Guest7655 | In fact you sounded like an effiminate asshole. | Oct 20 02:55 |
| Guest7655 | Bye..... | Oct 20 02:55 |
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| Ender2070 | lolz | Oct 20 02:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MySQL Should be Set Free and Sold by #Oracle , Says #Monty http://ur1.ca/dz4t | Oct 20 02:57 | |
| ThistleWeb | charming | Oct 20 02:57 |
| Will_ | You sure have a way with trolls, schestowitz. | Oct 20 02:57 |
| ThistleWeb | maybe that was a shy declaration of lust | Oct 20 02:58 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenBSD 4.6 is Released http://ur1.ca/dz50 #bsd | Oct 20 02:59 | |
| ThistleWeb | in and out before any response could come in case he was turned down | Oct 20 02:59 |
| ThistleWeb | gotta luv them brave peeps | Oct 20 02:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Firefox Goes with #FreeSoftware Mobile Platforms http://bit.ly/3oTpG5 | Oct 20 03:00 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Interview with #FSF 's #Mako http://bit.ly/3Hl8mr | Oct 20 03:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] UK.gov Goes #Orwellian http://ur1.ca/dz5d http://ur1.ca/dz5e #upyournostril | Oct 20 03:03 | |
| schestowitz | Will_: trollsmakemehot.org!! | Oct 20 03:03 |
| schestowitz | :-D it's like those 15-y-o gals phoning someone and then hanging up | Oct 20 03:04 |
| schestowitz | "I just wanted to tell, I'm like sssssssssssooooooooo over you *clink!*" | Oct 20 03:05 |
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| tomas_ | What would a guy, Schestowitz, who had his testicles removed for Linux know about females? | Oct 20 03:06 |
| tomas_ | Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 | Oct 20 03:06 |
| tomas_ | Bye | Oct 20 03:06 |
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| schestowitz | It's gary | Oct 20 03:07 |
| schestowitz | The guy whom I kicked | Oct 20 03:07 |
| schestowitz | See the libel he spreads? | Oct 20 03:07 |
| schestowitz | That's why I banned him | Oct 20 03:07 |
| schestowitz | [02:58] --> tomas_ has joined this channel (i=182e557a@gateway/web/freenode/x-nbhzfanqyovtyaud). | Oct 20 03:07 |
| ThistleWeb | and these people think this infantile stuff is in any way helping peeps take their side? | Oct 20 03:07 |
| schestowitz | [02:25] --> moshe_ has joined this channel (i=182e557a@gateway/web/freenode/x-wdyczpaluqhlotku). | Oct 20 03:08 |
| ThistleWeb | I guess they must think they're winning some debate somewhere | Oct 20 03:08 |
| schestowitz | Notice the IP: 182e557a | Oct 20 03:08 |
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| schestowitz | hex for... | Oct 20 03:08 |
| schestowitz | do the math, but he's probably on his usual honeypot/proxy/zombie | Oct 20 03:08 |
| ThistleWeb | how do you covert masked IPs to normal ones? | Oct 20 03:08 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: it's hexadecimal | Oct 20 03:09 |
| schestowitz | I have a converter on my palm, I think | Oct 20 03:09 |
| schestowitz | MinceR has a perl script for it | Oct 20 03:09 |
| ThistleWeb | is there an app to paste in and get a readout? | Oct 20 03:09 |
| ThistleWeb | k | Oct 20 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/322754/sco_fires_ceo_mcbride_it_tries_emerge_from_bankruptcy?fp=39&fpid=27197 | Oct 20 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | SCO fires CEO McBride as it tries to emerge from bankruptcy | Oct 20 03:11 |
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| schestowitz | roy@roy:~$ whois 24.46.85.122 | Oct 20 03:11 |
| schestowitz | Optimum Online NETBLK-OOL-3BLK (NET-24-44-0-0-1) | Oct 20 03:11 |
| schestowitz | 24.44.0.0 - 24.47.255.255 | Oct 20 03:11 |
| schestowitz | Optimum Online (Cablevision Systems) OOL-CPE-CTMHNY-24-46-84-0-22 (NET-24-46-84-0-1) | Oct 20 03:11 |
| schestowitz | 24.46.84.0 - 24.46.87.255 | Oct 20 03:11 |
| schestowitz | http://whatismyipaddress.com/staticpages/index.php/ip-details?ip=24.46.85.122 | Oct 20 03:12 |
| schestowitz | Looks about right | Oct 20 03:12 |
| schestowitz | That's roughly where "flatfish" lives | Oct 20 03:12 |
| schestowitz | Emerald Ct. | Oct 20 03:13 |
| schestowitz | You can zoom in to his home address | Oct 20 03:13 |
| schestowitz | And send him a court order, to that perp | Oct 20 03:13 |
| ThistleWeb | the last 2 quick dropins I saw just came across like some child bursting into a room, shouting a few nonsensical sentences then running away | Oct 20 03:14 |
| ThistleWeb | which would just get ignored by the rest of the people in the room as a child bursting in | Oct 20 03:14 |
| wallc | or like neighbor kids running up to ring the doorbell then running off. | Oct 20 03:14 |
| ThistleWeb | so I don't see what he thinks he's gaining | Oct 20 03:15 |
| ThistleWeb | he's not gonna convince anyone of anything other than the fact that he has the soacial skills of a turnip | Oct 20 03:15 |
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| wallc | thistleweb, you're insulting turnips...they are perfectly good vegetables... :) | Oct 20 03:16 |
| ThistleWeb | lol, was was being vegist, my bad | Oct 20 03:16 |
| wallc | while the trolls are merely rotten... | Oct 20 03:16 |
| wallc | i love my veggies! | Oct 20 03:16 |
| ThistleWeb | then again, being a good vegetable is different from being a sociable vegetable | Oct 20 03:17 |
| wallc | yes, you have a point there | Oct 20 03:17 |
| ThistleWeb | when was the last time you held a two way conversation with one? | Oct 20 03:17 |
| wallc | why...just yesterday I was discussing the state of the economy with my mashed potatoes | Oct 20 03:17 |
| ThistleWeb | some peeps talk to plants, it's when the plants talk back that gets you funny looks | Oct 20 03:17 |
| wallc | (the older you get, the less people notice when you talk to your food :) | Oct 20 03:18 |
| mutx | he obviously knew he would be quickly kicked for saying anything contrary, so I would assume that is why he did what he did. to beat the censor. | Oct 20 03:18 |
| schestowitz | wallc: I got recycling facilities today. Vegetables are not the easy ones to dispose of ;-) | Oct 20 03:18 |
| ThistleWeb | wallc: yeah they assume you're talking to yourself | Oct 20 03:18 |
| wallc | mutx, don't be silly. he did what he did because he's a nutcase | Oct 20 03:19 |
| schestowitz | mutx: no, you don't know the person | Oct 20 03:19 |
| schestowitz | He should be behind bars | Oct 20 03:19 |
| mutx | no i dont, but I know your reaction to him, and his comments, which were not that bad, | Oct 20 03:19 |
| wallc | Thistleweb, talking to myself is fun, i never argue... | Oct 20 03:20 |
| schestowitz | Ironically, lots of the libel jono referred to comes form him | Oct 20 03:20 |
| mutx | saying Linux apps need to be better is a common argument. | Oct 20 03:20 |
| wallc | and am always agreeable | Oct 20 03:20 |
| ThistleWeb | you know you have problems when you talk yourself into a corner | Oct 20 03:20 |
| wallc | that's why i live in a round house :) | Oct 20 03:20 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Oct 20 03:20 |
| schestowitz | mutx: if a pedo comes to your house and talks polite you still don't leave him to babysit your kids | Oct 20 03:21 |
| schestowitz | *politely | Oct 20 03:21 |
| ThistleWeb | "nobody fucks wit da Jesus" - the Big Lebowski | Oct 20 03:22 |
| ThistleWeb | as he has to go door to door to inform the locals | Oct 20 03:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Cannot Really Restore #Sidekick Data, Not Quite http://ur1.ca/dz6n | Oct 20 03:24 | |
| wallc | ok, it's dinnertime here at the old roundhouse - have to go talk to my peas and carrots. | Oct 20 03:24 |
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| wallc | :) | Oct 20 03:24 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mono Proponents Don't Listen to Warning Signs http://bit.ly/BDNr6 | Oct 20 03:25 | |
| Guest46112 | I'll tell ya'll right now, there is nothing Roy can do to silence us., What I would strongly suggest is that ya'll sit back and take a long look at how roy is using you to fill his pockets. | Oct 20 03:25 |
| Guest46112 | That is why he fears us so much...Jon knows what is going on..he was polite | Oct 20 03:26 |
| Guest46112 | Think about it...a student on here 24x7 without compensation? are you that ignorant? | Oct 20 03:26 |
| Guest46112 | bye for now......... | Oct 20 03:26 |
| schestowitz | Fill my pockets, eh? | Oct 20 03:26 |
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| schestowitz | With $20 per month to pay for hosting... | Oct 20 03:27 |
| ThistleWeb | well, that's us told ROFL | Oct 20 03:27 |
| schestowitz | That line is another "flatfish" | Oct 20 03:27 |
| schestowitz | He keeps coming back with new names | Oct 20 03:27 |
| schestowitz | Angry that he got banned | Oct 20 03:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google and #Apple Steal #Vista7 's Thunder That Never Was http://ur1.ca/dz72 http://ur1.ca/dz73 | Oct 20 03:30 | |
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| enema | so where am i now Roy? you fool...you can't stop us..... | Oct 20 03:40 |
| enema | try as u might we own u | Oct 20 03:40 |
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| *schestowitz shivers in his boots | Oct 20 03:41 | |
| schestowitz | I don't like enema | Oct 20 03:41 |
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| ThistleWeb | enema's do have a close affinity with shit | Oct 20 03:49 |
| ThistleWeb | maybe he's trying to tell us something | Oct 20 03:49 |
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| Izzy | So where am I now Roy? | Oct 20 03:51 |
| Izzy | Hahaha! | Oct 20 03:51 |
| ThistleWeb | pathetic | Oct 20 03:52 |
| Izzy | Your efforts to corrupt the cola sheep are futile....they know what you are about althought they won't admit it | Oct 20 03:52 |
| Izzy | You are getting paid to SPAM...plain and simple and anyone who doesn't believe that is an idiot | Oct 20 03:52 |
| Izzy | Chow for now....roy...say hello to the FSF....ooops did i let the cat out of the bag....guess i did | Oct 20 03:53 |
| ThistleWeb | coming from someone who shifts names and comes in to act like a child | Oct 20 03:53 |
| *schestowitz has kicked Izzy from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Oct 20 03:53 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_uTJiiZ6gQ | Oct 20 03:53 |
| ThistleWeb | you could ban his IP for a while | Oct 20 03:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @kiruba: If you are an Internet or IT professional in the Gulf, do join Middle East Internet & New Media Association. http://is.gd/4rF1t | Oct 20 03:55 | |
| schestowitz | He'd change | Oct 20 03:58 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah, no doubt | Oct 20 03:59 |
| ThistleWeb | at least the IRC is logged and publicly posted so all his stuff is public | Oct 20 03:59 |
| *schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uchPPbJep8g&feature=related | Oct 20 04:09 | |
| schestowitz | Hitchens really gives it to that war criminal Kissinger | Oct 20 04:09 |
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| schestowitz | gn | Oct 20 04:23 |
| schestowitz | I opped just in case the "flatfish" criminal comes back | Oct 20 04:23 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC NEWS | Technology | Security scams: Your views http://tinyurl.com/ygot2uz | Oct 20 05:21 | |
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| asdf_ | Hi guys, I just read http://verofakto.blogspot.com/2009/10/floss-weekly-interviews-roy-schestowitz.html and I have to say I had a great laugh. Thanks for that one :) | Oct 20 09:20 |
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| schestowitz | hehe. See the comments here: http://www.fsdaily.com/Community/Boycott_Novell_on_TWiT_TV_as_Ogg | Oct 20 09:45 |
| *schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zmvRnL6s4w&feature=related | Oct 20 09:56 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Currently running Chromium build 4.0.223.5 ....Ive been very happy with the package, nearly ready to remove FF completely. #chromium #foss | Oct 20 10:04 | |
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| qsheets | anyone alive in here? | Oct 20 10:10 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, what's up? | Oct 20 10:17 |
| *schestowitz removes channel operator status from schestowitz | Oct 20 10:17 | |
| qsheets | schestowitz: I LOVE .htaccess FILES!! | Oct 20 10:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Confirmed: #DarlMcBride Termination is a Sacking http://ping.fm/r4Ail #sco | Oct 20 10:21 | |
| qsheets | no index file > shows dir; blank index file > queries root index; else > runs script | Oct 20 10:24 |
| qsheets | schestowitz: is there a reason for this? | Oct 20 10:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | uh roy | Oct 20 10:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: the entire board of directors was fired | Oct 20 10:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: two people basically own the majority of sco stock | Oct 20 10:32 |
| schestowitz | qsheets: ys | Oct 20 10:36 |
| qsheets | and? | Oct 20 10:36 |
| schestowitz | It's OK | Oct 20 10:36 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/10/19/oracle-preparing-unbreakable-mysql/ This should worry MS. | Oct 20 10:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | why? no one takes mysql seriously | Oct 20 10:44 |
| oiaohm | Does anyone really in there right mind take mssql seriously either Diablo-D3 | Oct 20 10:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: good point | Oct 20 10:45 |
| oiaohm | You have to think the stack of software oracle can bundle with mysql. | Oct 20 10:47 |
| oiaohm | MS seriously could have a SBS competitor on there door. | Oct 20 10:48 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dvorak Slams #Vista7 , New Benchmark Shows It’s a Hog, Kotaku Says It’s Bad for Gaming http://ping.fm/GRQ8k | Oct 20 10:50 | |
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| phIRCe | Hello World! | Oct 20 10:51 |
| qsheets | goodbye sentience | Oct 20 10:52 |
| qsheets | lmao... Windows seven already has a DoS bug | Oct 20 11:01 |
| qsheets | https://www.cert-bund.de/advisoryshort/CB-K09-0315%20UPDATE%201 | Oct 20 11:01 |
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| _Hicham_ | Hi All! | Oct 20 11:02 |
| _Hicham_ | good morning schestowitz | Oct 20 11:02 |
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| oiaohm | qsheets: That was known over 1 month before release. But MS was not prepared to repress the disks. | Oct 20 11:08 |
| qsheets | lol | Oct 20 11:09 |
| qsheets | they never are | Oct 20 11:09 |
| oiaohm | It would have ment delaying release by 2 week. | Oct 20 11:09 |
| qsheets | schestowitz: nice site, lol | Oct 20 11:10 |
| qsheets | imho, it needs some major work | Oct 20 11:13 |
| oiaohm | http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Happenings-Qt-Developer-Days-2009-832240.html Nice to see the troll tech spirt is still alive and well. | Oct 20 11:15 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Monsanto : The #Microsoft of Food http://ping.fm/7uJMO | Oct 20 11:17 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Monsanto: The Microsoft of Food | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 101.91 KB | Oct 20 11:17 |
| oiaohm | So true on Monsanto they have long history of bad things. | Oct 20 11:18 |
| schestowitz | qsheets: what site? | Oct 20 11:26 |
| qsheets | yours | Oct 20 11:26 |
| schestowitz | schestowitz.com? | Oct 20 11:26 |
| qsheets | yea | Oct 20 11:26 |
| qsheets | it's similar to multimedia presentations given by high school students, where every slide is completely different from the one before it | Oct 20 11:29 |
| oiaohm | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/10/19/2332251/Windows-7-Released-Early-In-UK Hmmm | Oct 20 11:31 |
| phIRCe | Title: Slashdot Technology Story | Windows 7 Released Early In UK .::. Size~: 62.91 KB | Oct 20 11:31 |
| qsheets | schestowitz: logo should never be the only thing that remains the same throughout the site, there should be a common theme throughout each (sub)domain | Oct 20 11:32 |
| mutx | and correct the errors in your cv. | Oct 20 11:32 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: wow, just WOW!! :-) *yawn* | Oct 20 11:33 |
| schestowitz | qsheets: there's historical reasoning for it. :-) | Oct 20 11:33 |
| qsheets | perfect example: http://www.nasa.gov/ versus http://science.nasa.gov/ | Oct 20 11:33 |
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| qsheets | schestowitz: what html 1.0 v. 2.0 | Oct 20 11:33 |
| schestowitz | ALl sorts of things | Oct 20 11:34 |
| schestowitz | I don't maintain it anymore | Oct 20 11:34 |
| qsheets | is that the reason for HTML v. PHP too? | Oct 20 11:34 |
| qsheets | schestowitz: why not? | Oct 20 11:34 |
| schestowitz | It still gets thousands of pageviews per day, but there's not much to expand on | Oct 20 11:34 |
| schestowitz | qsheets: there's like 9 different CMSs there | Oct 20 11:35 |
| schestowitz | It's a lot of isolated bits here and there | Oct 20 11:35 |
| qsheets | you can still combine them with one common CSS | Oct 20 11:35 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/12461636 | Oct 20 11:35 |
| phIRCe | Title: silner (silner) 's status on Tuesday, 20-Oct-09 09:49:48 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 7.14 KB | Oct 20 11:36 |
| schestowitz | "The strangest thing I found about #windows #7 is it seems to run far slower on #AMD hardware @schestowitz?" | Oct 20 11:36 |
| qsheets | lol | Oct 20 11:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @silner The strangest thing I found about #windows #7 is it seems to run far slower on #AMD hardware #vista7 | Oct 20 11:38 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mono , #OpenCore , and Other Bizarre Forms of #OpenSource http://ping.fm/AKTyL #novell #trojan | Oct 20 11:43 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Recovers #Sidekick Data? Not So Fast! http://ping.fm/ZAuVG | Oct 20 12:10 | |
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| qsheets | old news | Oct 20 12:23 |
| oiaohm | MS recovers data asks some questions. | Oct 20 12:30 |
| oiaohm | Was it just a stunt to undermine the cloud movement. | Oct 20 12:30 |
| schestowitz | I joked by saying this | Oct 20 12:32 |
| schestowitz | But they would have to be insane to try that | Oct 20 12:32 |
| schestowitz | To say that Sidekick failure was a Microsoft setup is like saying that 9/11 was organised by Bush and CHeney | Oct 20 12:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Why did newspapers start losing money in the 1990s, exacerbated now? Well, because the journalism sucks. http://is.gd/4sjPy | Oct 20 12:33 | |
| phIRCe | Title: First Read: Follow the Breadcrumbs : CJR .::. Size~: 44.17 KB | Oct 20 12:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @davidgerard Why did newspapers start losing money in the 1990s, exacerbated now? Well, because the journalism sucks. http://is.gd/4sjPy | Oct 20 12:35 | |
| phIRCe | Title: First Read: Follow the Breadcrumbs : CJR .::. Size~: 44.17 KB | Oct 20 12:35 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: MS be sane all the time. When you think about all the illegal things they have done temporally miss placing data would not be that far up there. | Oct 20 12:35 |
| cubezzz | weird, can't access google | Oct 20 12:36 |
| schestowitz | use another IP address | Oct 20 12:40 |
| MinceR | use scroogle | Oct 20 12:40 |
| cubezzz | dns resolution seems bad at the moment | Oct 20 12:43 |
| cubezzz | odd, I can ping google.com, google.ca but don't get the html | Oct 20 12:45 |
| cubezzz | is maxhost.org visible? | Oct 20 12:46 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patents Roundup: #Microsoft Patent Tax, #FireStar - #RedHat Revisited, US Patent Crisis http://ping.fm/wXagr #swpat | Oct 20 12:49 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: scroogle would make a nice name for a baby boy | Oct 20 12:52 |
| schestowitz | !google parents name kid google | Oct 20 12:52 |
| phIRCe | [1] - OneKey.com - The Kid Safe Search Engine - V9.09 | http://www.onekey.com/ | Oct 20 12:52 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Common Sense Media and Google Team Up to Help Parents Keep Kids ... | http://www.commonsensemedia.org/about-us/press-room/press-releases/common-sense-media-and-google-team-up-help-parents-keep-kids-safe | Oct 20 12:52 |
| phIRCe | [3] - The Associated Press: AP Poll: Third of parents oppose swine flu ... | http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5im4FvnGx3HtsuHBfikDmkYYam97QD9B6DQR00 | Oct 20 12:52 |
| phIRCe | [4] - UrbanBaby - 'Fess up: Even Google the other kid's pa... - Talk | http://www.urbanbaby.com/talk/posts/1337620 | Oct 20 12:52 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmm... well, it's true that some stupid couple called their child "Google" | Oct 20 12:52 |
| schestowitz | When he grows up he'll get abuse in school | Oct 20 12:53 |
| MinceR | named after the first thing he said? :> | Oct 20 12:53 |
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| oiaohm | google as a name would kinda make person hard to find online. | Oct 20 12:56 |
| MinceR | :D | Oct 20 12:57 |
| schestowitz | I think of Stooges when I visit Scroogle | Oct 20 12:57 |
| MinceR | Google Smith | Oct 20 12:57 |
| schestowitz | Is there still a toolbar for it? | Oct 20 12:57 |
| schestowitz | Google sort of blocked it the last time I tried (around 2005) | Oct 20 12:57 |
| MinceR | what for? most browsers have search support built-in already :> | Oct 20 12:57 |
| oiaohm | Change last name to Linux | Oct 20 12:57 |
| oiaohm | Then finding would be a art in impossable. | Oct 20 12:58 |
| MinceR | i've never seen scroogle get blocked when i used it | Oct 20 12:58 |
| MinceR | or to Page | Oct 20 12:58 |
| schestowitz | !google baby called Linus | Oct 20 12:58 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Who has written the story of TV series called "linus the lionhearted"? | http://askville.amazon.com/written-story-TV-series-called-linus-lionhearted/AnswerViewer.do%3FrequestId%3D49779511 | Oct 20 12:58 |
| phIRCe | [2] - The Seattle Times: One Year Later | http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/news/nation-world/sept11anniversary/oneyearlater/comingofage.html | Oct 20 12:58 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Project Linus National Headquarters | http://www.projectlinus.org/links.html | Oct 20 12:58 |
| phIRCe | [4] - The Linus Letters | http://linusletters.blogspot.com/ | Oct 20 12:58 |
| schestowitz | Oops. | Oct 20 12:58 |
| schestowitz | !google baby called Linux | Oct 20 12:58 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Linux.com :: A baby named Linux | http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/149992 | Oct 20 12:58 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Taking your first Linux baby steps | http://www.examiner.com/x-6211-Nashville-Technology-Examiner~y2009m3d24-Taking-your-first-Linux-baby-steps | Oct 20 12:58 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Desktop Linux: You've got a long way to go, baby | The Open Road ... | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10066701-16.html | Oct 20 12:58 |
| phIRCe | [4] - A Baby Named Linux - GameDev.Net Discussion Forums | http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/topic.asp%3Ftopic_id%3D511240 | Oct 20 12:58 |
| schestowitz | "My daughter is named Benedikte (after Linus Benedict Torvalds) - the closest I could get with a daughter - Linux/Linus are typical boys names. Benedikte was born in May 1998." | Oct 20 12:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/20/wikileaks_bnp/ | Oct 20 13:01 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* | Oct 20 13:01 |
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| schestowitz | Hi, jono | Oct 20 13:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Support a free and independent mysql. http://ping.fm/eQpEK pass around | Oct 20 13:03 | |
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| schestowitz | Sorry about twitter's attacks yesterday | Oct 20 13:03 |
| jono | hi schestowitz | Oct 20 13:03 |
| schestowitz | Again, I'm not in a position to tell people off | Oct 20 13:03 |
| schestowitz | He was rude | Oct 20 13:03 |
| jono | schestowitz no worries, it's not your fault | Oct 20 13:03 |
| schestowitz | I stayed out of it | Oct 20 13:03 |
| jono | probably wise, pal :) | Oct 20 13:04 |
| schestowitz | If I take someone's side, someone gets upset | Oct 20 13:04 |
| jono | sorry, I can't chat now, onto four hours of phone calls :) | Oct 20 13:04 |
| jono | no worries schestowitz :) | Oct 20 13:04 |
| schestowitz | np | Oct 20 13:04 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8315873.stm | Oct 20 13:04 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Management/IT-Spending-Will-Rebound-in-2010-Gartner-556858/ Anyone else think wishfull thinking. | Oct 20 13:05 |
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| schestowitz | Heh: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8314419.stm | Oct 20 13:06 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Snoop Dogg - Gangsta Luv (Ft. The Dream) (Dirty) EXCLUSIVE 2009 DOWNLOAD LINK" ♫ http://blip.fm/~f41t7 | Oct 20 13:06 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Blip.fm | What are you listening to? .::. Size~: 28.31 KB | Oct 20 13:06 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe they should stop worrying about what liquids people carry on train/car/plane and look at the source of the issues that lead to resentment and terrorism | Oct 20 13:06 |
| schestowitz | trmanco listens to hardcore rap | Oct 20 13:07 |
| schestowitz | Fo' shizzle! | Oct 20 13:07 |
| trmanco | Twitter is partially b0rked again, I haven't received updates in 20 mins | Oct 20 13:07 |
| trmanco | haha | Oct 20 13:07 |
| trmanco | It's actually a nice music | Oct 20 13:07 |
| schestowitz | I've listened to him from the start | Oct 20 13:07 |
| schestowitz | Since "what's your name" (When I was about 15) | Oct 20 13:08 |
| trmanco | my sister "introduced" me to Snoop Dogg | Oct 20 13:08 |
| schestowitz | I think Dr. Dre discovered him, but I'm not sure | Oct 20 13:08 |
| trmanco | about 5 years ago, I've never heard of him before | Oct 20 13:08 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Symphony of #Science - 'We Are All Connected' (ft. #Sagan, #Feynman, #Tyson & #Nye) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGK84Poeynk&fmt=22 | Oct 20 13:09 | |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: you should give 2pac a try | Oct 20 13:10 |
| trmanco | I did | Oct 20 13:10 |
| cubezzz2 | bah | Oct 20 13:10 |
| trmanco | long time ago | Oct 20 13:10 |
| trmanco | long time ago | Oct 20 13:10 |
| *trmanco plays it again | Oct 20 13:10 | |
| schestowitz | He dies when you were like 10 | Oct 20 13:10 |
| MinceR | in a galaxy far, far away | Oct 20 13:10 |
| schestowitz | *died | Oct 20 13:10 |
| *kecskebak thinks he'll stick to Barclay James Harvest ;) | Oct 20 13:11 | |
| schestowitz | Actually, maybe 7 | Oct 20 13:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Great music! ♫ http://blip.fm/~f41yl | Oct 20 13:11 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Blip.fm | What are you listening to? .::. Size~: 28.31 KB | Oct 20 13:11 |
| trmanco | yeah | Oct 20 13:11 |
| trmanco | but he is still a legend I guess | Oct 20 13:11 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: have any people chosen to go to a galaxy far away when they died? I seem to recall something like that | Oct 20 13:12 |
| trmanco | ah twitter is back | Oct 20 13:12 |
| schestowitz | They would probably disintegrate from space dust by the time they reach another galaxy though, or latch into the gravity field of another planet and 'kick into orbit'. It's funny how NASA prints discs with 'images' that it sends in obsolete ships that they sent to explore planets. As if some 'al1enz' will open up the 1970s technology and watch it in the Star Trek-like living room | Oct 20 13:15 |
| schestowitz | UK ISP Shows Why Kicking People Off The Internet Based On An IP Address Is Dumb http://techdirt.com/articles/20091017/1647106571.shtml | Oct 20 13:15 |
| phIRCe | Title: UK ISP Shows Why Kicking People Off The Internet Based On An IP Address Is Dumb | Techdirt .::. Size~: 66.58 KB | Oct 20 13:15 |
| cubezzz2 | well star trek isn't really that good SF-wise | Oct 20 13:16 |
| cubezzz2 | I liked the original series, but... | Oct 20 13:16 |
| trmanco | :) | Oct 20 13:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "2Pac- Ghetto Gospel" ♫ http://blip.fm/~f424f | Oct 20 13:17 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Blip.fm | What are you listening to? .::. Size~: 28.31 KB | Oct 20 13:17 |
| cubezzz2 | everyone talks english, now that is really far-fetched | Oct 20 13:19 |
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| oiaohm | cubezzz: it was mean to be solved by universal translator | Oct 20 13:21 |
| oiaohm | Now making something like that work would be a art in evil. | Oct 20 13:22 |
| cubezzz | Trelane speaking English made a little bit more sense | Oct 20 13:22 |
| cubezzz | he was studying Earth, so it's plausible that he knows English | Oct 20 13:22 |
| cubezzz | I think the only alien that didn't speak english was the Horta | Oct 20 13:23 |
| cubezzz | The only Universal Translator I saw was used by the Gorn | Oct 20 13:24 |
| oiaohm | It was mentioned in the cartoon series. | Oct 20 13:24 |
| oiaohm | Cannot remember the exposode but it was on the glitch. | Oct 20 13:25 |
| cubezzz | ah yes, Filmation :) | Oct 20 13:25 |
| cubezzz | I remember | Oct 20 13:25 |
| oiaohm | How star trek was doing it was not mentioned often. | Oct 20 13:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.circleid.com/posts/20091013_unwelcome_afterlife_for_a_long_dead_blacklist/ | Oct 20 13:26 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: they are so un-advanced that they need to use vocal output to communicate | Oct 20 13:28 |
| schestowitz | It's slow | Oct 20 13:28 |
| schestowitz | Also, they all use the same protocols for audio-visual | Oct 20 13:28 |
| cubezzz | heh | Oct 20 13:28 |
| schestowitz | And still, they sometimes get distortion and lag | Oct 20 13:28 |
| cubezzz | no DRM on Star Trek I guess | Oct 20 13:28 |
| schestowitz | "Data. On screen," "But captain, they use their own Martian codecs" | Oct 20 13:29 |
| cubezzz | yeah, even Tholian video is compatible | Oct 20 13:29 |
| schestowitz | "Mr. Data. apt-get install mars-codecs" | Oct 20 13:29 |
| schestowitz | "Sudo captain !!" | Oct 20 13:29 |
| schestowitz | "very well. | Oct 20 13:30 |
| schestowitz | "Now go make me a sandwich" | Oct 20 13:30 |
| schestowitz | "Err... no..." | Oct 20 13:30 |
| schestowitz | "Sudo !!" | Oct 20 13:30 |
| schestowitz | "Oh, OK" | Oct 20 13:30 |
| schestowitz | "Beam me up, Scotty" "Cancel | Allow ?" | Oct 20 13:31 |
| cubezzz | no Vista please | Oct 20 13:31 |
| schestowitz | "USS Star Enterprise crew, we ask you not to use the lavatory while we reboot the system. It's patch Tuesday again" | Oct 20 13:31 |
| schestowitz | *Starship | Oct 20 13:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2009/10/20/is-ubuntu-karmic-koala-going-to-be-popular/ | Oct 20 13:33 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/12462229 "glad @rms signed it and not !fsf I don't buy the argument. #MySQL has many forks out there that Oracle cannot kill'em http://is.gd/4sdVT" | Oct 20 13:34 |
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| kecskebak | Karmic is looking very good indeed | Oct 20 13:34 |
| oiaohm | The one after karmic should be intersting. | Oct 20 13:35 |
| schestowitz | http://digg.com/linux_unix/gNewSense_2_3_gets_rid_of_mono_programs | Oct 20 13:35 |
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| oiaohm | Lot of historic defects of the open source world should be gone. | Oct 20 13:35 |
| schestowitz | BN was right all along, since 2006 | Oct 20 13:35 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I never had a crash in 9.10 | Oct 20 13:36 |
| schestowitz | Not in alpha or beta | Oct 20 13:36 |
| oiaohm | I am more after performance. | Oct 20 13:36 |
| schestowitz | I can just assumed after months of use that only power failure is the risk | Oct 20 13:36 |
| oiaohm | Ie gcc that works. | Oct 20 13:36 |
| oiaohm | So I don't have to use pgroup or equal to get performance. | Oct 20 13:36 |
| kecskebak | I'm looking forward to seeing Gnome Shell - I've never played with it so Lucid should be interesting | Oct 20 13:37 |
| oiaohm | Also booting under 20 seconds are not a challage. | Oct 20 13:37 |
| kecskebak | The only thing that worries me about Ubuntu is how keen Canonical is on Mono. | Oct 20 13:37 |
| oiaohm | Under 10 that the next one is targeting should be interesting. | Oct 20 13:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.fsf.org/news/2009FSAwardsCall | Oct 20 13:37 |
| phIRCe | Title: Submit your nominations for the 2009 Free Software Awards - Free Software Foundation .::. Size~: 27.27 KB | Oct 20 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw won it before | Oct 20 13:38 |
| schestowitz | Heh. and de Icaza and de Raady | Oct 20 13:38 |
| schestowitz | *Raadt | Oct 20 13:38 |
| schestowitz | The FSF must be kicking itself over these | Oct 20 13:38 |
| kecskebak | Mono would be useful to have, in the same way as WINE if it wasn't pushed as a development platform | Oct 20 13:39 |
| trmanco | wine can run some .net apps | Oct 20 13:41 |
| schestowitz | wine just contains old apps | Oct 20 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Legacy | Oct 20 13:42 |
| schestowitz | No change applied | Oct 20 13:42 |
| schestowitz | But... | Oct 20 13:42 |
| schestowitz | I reckon most businesses with legacy apps have computers strong enough to put windows in virtualbox or whatever | Oct 20 13:42 |
| schestowitz | So wine is not as crucial | Oct 20 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Even an old copy of win98 (I have one) would do for just an app to run without networking (security) | Oct 20 13:43 |
| schestowitz | And windows can be resold | Oct 20 13:43 |
| schestowitz | !google autodesk resold case | Oct 20 13:43 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Judge Hears Case of Man Who Resold Used Software | http://www.zeropaid.com/news/87073/judge-hears-case-of-man-who-resold-used-software/ | Oct 20 13:43 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Autodesk, eBay Seller in Court Over Reselling Software > Comments | http://www.osnews.com/comments/22260 | Oct 20 13:43 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Autodesk case tests whether software can be resold ... | http://www.itproportal.com/security/legal-it/article/2007/9/20/autodesk-case-tests-whether-software-can-be-resold/ | Oct 20 13:43 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Court Says Reselling Software Is Okay | Techdirt | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080522/0016171201.shtml | Oct 20 13:43 |
| kecskebak | I also worry at the links between Gnome and Evolution | Oct 20 13:45 |
| kecskebak | I've never seen a convincing argument as to why Evolution should be so hard to uninstall | Oct 20 13:46 |
| schestowitz | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Google-Chrome-5-Not-4-Will-Support-Windows-7-124475.shtml. | Oct 20 13:46 |
| phIRCe | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found .::. Size~: 0 KB | Oct 20 13:46 |
| trmanco | wtf | Oct 20 13:46 |
| trmanco | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Google-Chrome-5-Not-4-Will-Support-Windows-7-124475.shtml | Oct 20 13:46 |
| phIRCe | Title: Google Chrome 5, Not 4, Will Support Windows 7 - Chrome 4.0.222.12 available for download - Softpedia .::. Size~: 48.87 KB | Oct 20 13:47 |
| trmanco | :) | Oct 20 13:47 |
| kecskebak | I use Evolution, so it doesn't affect me, but it seems to go against the Linux philosophy of the user choosing which apps they use | Oct 20 13:47 |
| oiaohm | What do you mean kecskebak | Oct 20 13:51 |
| oiaohm | For years I have used mix of kde and gnome to get things done. | Oct 20 13:51 |
| kecskebak | If you have a GNOME desktop, try removing Evolution | Oct 20 13:51 |
| kecskebak | You cannot completely remove all the packages it installs | Oct 20 13:51 |
| oiaohm | That is distribution thing. | Oct 20 13:51 |
| kecskebak | It's a bit of a IE/Windows situation | Oct 20 13:52 |
| kecskebak | oiaohm: So Gnome can work with no Evolution packages? | Oct 20 13:52 |
| oiaohm | slackware you can always remove all of it. | Oct 20 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Remember slackware also allows you to break applications if you wish. | Oct 20 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Gnome can be told to use different email client. | Oct 20 13:53 |
| kecskebak | oiaohm: I've been able to use a different email client with GNOME, but I've never been able to remove all of evolution's packages | Oct 20 13:53 |
| oiaohm | You will find little bits here and there depend on it. | Oct 20 13:55 |
| oiaohm | That have to be removed before the final packages can go. | Oct 20 13:55 |
| oiaohm | gnome-panel is badly packaged in a lot of distributions. | Oct 20 13:55 |
| oiaohm | So that applets that depend on evolution cannot be removed without takeing gnome-panel with it. | Oct 20 13:56 |
| kecskebak | oiaohm: Thanks for explaining that - I've always wondered what the problem was | Oct 20 13:56 |
| kecskebak | oiaohm: I'd always assumed it was the GNOME project itself at fault | Oct 20 13:56 |
| oiaohm | Partly. | Oct 20 13:57 |
| oiaohm | GNOME project default packages have it stuck that way. | Oct 20 13:57 |
| kecskebak | And now Evolution has a mono dependency. Curiouser and curiouser ;) | Oct 20 13:58 |
| oiaohm | Does not bother me too much I changed my core over to KDE 4.3 | Oct 20 13:59 |
| kecskebak | I have always liked the usability of GNOME. I used to work on computer based training (10 years+) and from a usability point of view I think GNOME does an incredible job. | Oct 20 13:59 |
| MinceR | usability dogma? :> | Oct 20 13:59 |
| kecskebak | No, when you have to help loads of users who are new to computing it is not dogma - it means you can take your lunchbreaks | Oct 20 14:00 |
| kecskebak | And drink less cold coffee ;) | Oct 20 14:00 |
| kecskebak | My wife only ever uses a computer under protest but even she noticed how much easier GNOME was than Windows | Oct 20 14:01 |
| MinceR | the kind of user who gets confused if additional functionality he doesn't use is present? | Oct 20 14:01 |
| oiaohm | I jumped from kde 3.5 to 4.3 | Oct 20 14:01 |
| MinceR | so did i | Oct 20 14:01 |
| MinceR | though i think i'll keep kde3 around at least in a chroot | Oct 20 14:01 |
| kecskebak | There are a lot of users who think "If I don't need it, why is it there - I just want to x" | Oct 20 14:02 |
| oiaohm | The stuff in the middle was had signs of being good in time. | Oct 20 14:02 |
| MinceR | i miss the old search in konqueror | Oct 20 14:02 |
| oiaohm | kecskebak: kde can be configured that way. | Oct 20 14:02 |
| MinceR | kecskebak: i'd ask them what do they plan on doing if a new task requires additional functionality | Oct 20 14:02 |
| oiaohm | Main advantage I find with KDE is the levels of intergration. | Oct 20 14:02 |
| kecskebak | oiaohm: I'll take another look at KDE | Oct 20 14:02 |
| oiaohm | So you need a basic email client you use kmail. | Oct 20 14:02 |
| oiaohm | And so on. | Oct 20 14:03 |
| MinceR | also, if they really used on their first day of computer usage all the functionality they use now | Oct 20 14:03 |
| kecskebak | MinceR: The users I used to deal with didn't think like that | Oct 20 14:03 |
| oiaohm | When the day comes and you find you need a full PIM you load up kontact and everything is ready to go. | Oct 20 14:03 |
| oiaohm | The intergration that you can progressively expand is what I like about KDE. | Oct 20 14:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Snoop Dogg - Gangsta Luv (Ft. The Dream) (Dirty) EXCLUSIVE 2009 DOWNLOAD LINK" ♫ http://blip.fm/~f43op | Oct 20 14:04 | |
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| kecskebak | I was dealing with a load of aged 50+ cookery instructors once. It's a real eye opener to see how real users cope with things | Oct 20 14:04 |
| oiaohm | Real users and touchy printers kecskebak | Oct 20 14:04 |
| oiaohm | Now that is a sport. | Oct 20 14:04 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: that SoftPedia link had an accidental dot at the end | Oct 20 14:04 |
| trmanco | yeah | Oct 20 14:04 |
| trmanco | I saw it | Oct 20 14:05 |
| oiaohm | You know the ones kecskebak paper must be loaded just right or they jam. | Oct 20 14:05 |
| schestowitz | [14:01] <MinceR> though i think i'll keep kde3 around at least in a chroot | Oct 20 14:05 |
| schestowitz | What do you do with it? | Oct 20 14:05 |
| MinceR | logically, those users should get a blank screen as the GUI, as that's the only way nothing that can confuse them will be present :> | Oct 20 14:05 |
| schestowitz | I can't think of any use case, except maybe knode | Oct 20 14:05 |
| kecskebak | oiaohm: The ones that print on both sides of the paper are the worst :) | Oct 20 14:05 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: i'll try to run konqueror from it, for example | Oct 20 14:05 |
| schestowitz | I can't find what's missing/omitted | Oct 20 14:06 |
| schestowitz | Maybe some macro-ish things like image gallery generation | Oct 20 14:06 |
| schestowitz | I still use Konq | Oct 20 14:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Microsoft says royalties do not conflict with the "free" business model: http://i5.be/Pj | Oct 20 14:07 | |
| MinceR | also, i'm looking for a tray applet mixer, as the new kmix refuses to show up | Oct 20 14:07 |
| MinceR | or i'll use plasma for the second panel too | Oct 20 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Ok you are having some strange problems MinceR | Oct 20 14:07 |
| oiaohm | I have Kmix up here. | Oct 20 14:07 |
| MinceR | but for that i'll probably need a more compact clock applet | Oct 20 14:07 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i'm currently using the gnome system tray applet | Oct 20 14:07 |
| MinceR | but i can't really tell why do some tray applets have to insist on having the plasma systray applet | Oct 20 14:08 |
| MinceR | lock-in? | Oct 20 14:08 |
| MinceR | meanwhile klipper and kteatime run fine on the gnome systray | Oct 20 14:08 |
| oiaohm | Because they are coded in plasma | Oct 20 14:08 |
| MinceR | huh? | Oct 20 14:08 |
| MinceR | plasma applets are supposed to be coded in plasma, but not tray applets | Oct 20 14:09 |
| MinceR | there's a freedesktop standard for the latter, isn't there? | Oct 20 14:09 |
| oiaohm | Some of kde tray applets are plasma. | Oct 20 14:09 |
| MinceR | i've already replaced powerdevil with guidance-power-manager | Oct 20 14:09 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: now that's really broken | Oct 20 14:09 |
| oiaohm | No it is not. | Oct 20 14:09 |
| MinceR | yes it is | Oct 20 14:10 |
| oiaohm | Plasma is designed as a framework. | Oct 20 14:10 |
| MinceR | it's a systray applet because it will run in any systray, whether that's provided by plasma, gnome-panel or some random window manager | Oct 20 14:10 |
| oiaohm | Kind cannot if it need the plasma engines to work. | Oct 20 14:11 |
| MinceR | then it shouldn't use the plasma engines. | Oct 20 14:11 |
| MinceR | if it uses them, it should be a regular plasma applet. | Oct 20 14:11 |
| MinceR | a plasmoid. | Oct 20 14:11 |
| MinceR | then it can still appear on the plasma panel or the desktop. | Oct 20 14:11 |
| schestowitz | "The Center for International Business & Education at Raritan Valley Community College hosted a unique event connecting consular officials from over 20 countries with business, education and government officials for collaboration and commerce." http://www.prweb.com/releases/2009/10/prweb3061004.htm | Oct 20 14:12 |
| phIRCe | Title: PatientOS Urges Trade Ministers to Encourage Adoption of Open Source Solutions at the Sixth Annual Consul Program for New Jersey Life Sciences .::. Size~: 29.54 KB | Oct 20 14:12 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: plasma is explained b y Seigo here....: | Oct 20 14:12 |
| *kecskebak has quit ("Don't do anything I wouldn't do...") | Oct 20 14:12 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.twit.tv/floss45 | Oct 20 14:12 |
| phIRCe | Title: The TWiT Netcast Network with Leo Laporte .::. Size~: 22.83 KB | Oct 20 14:12 |
| schestowitz | It's just the desktop basically, obviously | Oct 20 14:13 |
| schestowitz | People think of it as more than it is | Oct 20 14:13 |
| MinceR | nope, it's the desktop and the panels | Oct 20 14:13 |
| schestowitz | like kwin or kdm or Linux | Oct 20 14:13 |
| schestowitz | plasma-desktop is an app | Oct 20 14:13 |
| schestowitz | You could just run without it | Oct 20 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Open CLI | Oct 20 14:13 |
| schestowitz | kill plasma-desktop | Oct 20 14:13 |
| schestowitz | launch apps from CLI | Oct 20 14:13 |
| schestowitz | kwin runs OK | Oct 20 14:13 |
| MinceR | and the plasma panel goes away with it | Oct 20 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Oct 20 14:14 |
| MinceR | and kwin won't draw the root window | Oct 20 14:14 |
| schestowitz | But you cajn run another panel | Oct 20 14:14 |
| MinceR | kwin doesn't work right if you aren't running plasma | Oct 20 14:14 |
| oiaohm | kwin and plasma will merge. | Oct 20 14:14 |
| MinceR | yay | Oct 20 14:14 |
| MinceR | so they'll ruin kde completely? | Oct 20 14:15 |
| oiaohm | No. | Oct 20 14:15 |
| MinceR | why not go ahead and merge it with x and the kernel while they're at it? | Oct 20 14:15 |
| MinceR | and call it "windows" | Oct 20 14:15 |
| oiaohm | It will see kwin use the same theming engine everywhere as plasma. | Oct 20 14:15 |
| MinceR | i guess i'll go back to an uncomposited desktop then | Oct 20 14:16 |
| MinceR | between a bug-ridden compiz and a monolithic kde | Oct 20 14:16 |
| MinceR | there's a tiny little chance that e17+ecomorph or metisse will work though; or they'll fix compiz | Oct 20 14:16 |
| oiaohm | plasme theme engine does not need composited desktop. | Oct 20 14:16 |
| MinceR | i don't need plasma | Oct 20 14:17 |
| MinceR | it's nice for an extra, autohiding panel, that's pretty much it | Oct 20 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Currently there are 2 theme engines. | Oct 20 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Ie kwin and plasmas | Oct 20 14:17 |
| oiaohm | There is really one room for one. | Oct 20 14:17 |
| oiaohm | So kwin plasma merge then resplit. | Oct 20 14:17 |
| MinceR | that's like saying "there are so many processes, but there's only room for one" | Oct 20 14:18 |
| MinceR | they could split the theme engine into a library. | Oct 20 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Its desktop consistance. | Oct 20 14:18 |
| MinceR | it's breaking the unix/x model. | Oct 20 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Basically what will happen MinceR | Oct 20 14:18 |
| MinceR | and losing most of the flexibility of the gnu/linux desktop | Oct 20 14:18 |
| oiaohm | No its not MinceR | Oct 20 14:18 |
| MinceR | yes it is, if i can't choose my window manager, desktop manager and panel separately | Oct 20 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Its simpler to split a common theme lib out. | Oct 20 14:19 |
| oiaohm | If you can get everyone on the same page. | Oct 20 14:19 |
| oiaohm | And simplest way to do that is temporay merge them into 1 project. | Oct 20 14:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nokia is slipping in the US. http://ping.fm/8afZv This is probably good news for Linux, Nokia loves #swpat | Oct 20 14:20 | |
| phIRCe | Title: The New York Times > Log In .::. Size~: 9.74 KB | Oct 20 14:20 |
| oiaohm | Even X11 is doing the same thing at moment MinceR | Oct 20 14:20 |
| oiaohm | Merging all its drivers back into 1 project so they can redesign and optimise them. | Oct 20 14:20 |
| trmanco | anybody here use akregegator | Oct 20 14:20 |
| trmanco | Akregator* | Oct 20 14:21 |
| MinceR | drivers are an entirely different issue | Oct 20 14:21 |
| oiaohm | The issue is the same MinceR | Oct 20 14:21 |
| MinceR | no, it isn't | Oct 20 14:21 |
| oiaohm | getting everyone on the same page. | Oct 20 14:21 |
| MinceR | do users switch window managers? yes they do. | Oct 20 14:21 |
| oiaohm | If they are divided off in independant project syncing becomes hard. | Oct 20 14:21 |
| MinceR | do users switch drivers for the same hw? no they don't. | Oct 20 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Yes they do MinceR | Oct 20 14:21 |
| oiaohm | vesa nv .... | Oct 20 14:22 |
| MinceR | do drivers typically depend on each other? no they don't. | Oct 20 14:22 |
| oiaohm | Yes they do MinceR | Oct 20 14:22 |
| oiaohm | Common back end code MinceR | Oct 20 14:22 |
| MinceR | are you saying i can't choose the mouse driver independently from the video driver? | Oct 20 14:22 |
| MinceR | that's not what my experience shows. | Oct 20 14:22 |
| oiaohm | video drivers share a common backend. | Oct 20 14:22 |
| oiaohm | usb based video drivers share backend with some input devices not handled by kernel. | Oct 20 14:23 |
| MinceR | common backend is no excuse for the window manager to depend on the desktop manager. | Oct 20 14:23 |
| MinceR | neither do your glib-based apps depend on each other, do they? | Oct 20 14:23 |
| oiaohm | If you were redesign glib you might want to merge them. | Oct 20 14:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Armin Van Buuren - Fine Without You Feat Jennifer Rene" ♫ http://blip.fm/~f44m8 | Oct 20 14:24 | |
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| oiaohm | While you do it so you can keep every alteration synced MinceR | Oct 20 14:24 |
| MinceR | almost everything depends on libc - so go ahead and propose that we merge all the apps into one big blob | Oct 20 14:24 |
| MinceR | not even windows is that monolithic. | Oct 20 14:24 |
| oiaohm | libc is not altered from standard because if you did you would have a house of nightmares. | Oct 20 14:24 |
| MinceR | and of course libc depends on the kernel, so you can put everything into the kernel! | Oct 20 14:25 |
| MinceR | and then you get a system nobody can maintain. | Oct 20 14:25 |
| oiaohm | kernel has a standard to userspace that don't change. | Oct 20 14:25 |
| MinceR | there's a reason standard interfaces and protocols exist. | Oct 20 14:25 |
| oiaohm | There are very big evil reasons for this. | Oct 20 14:25 |
| oiaohm | kwin merge with plasma is because they are about to do a big possiable major trouble causing alteration. | Oct 20 14:25 |
| MinceR | there's a reason for the x protocol, x11lib, xcb and there's a reason for the freedesktop standards. | Oct 20 14:26 |
| oiaohm | What would be worse than a full theme failure so nothing renders MinceR | Oct 20 14:26 |
| MinceR | i've never seen such failures | Oct 20 14:26 |
| MinceR | perhaps they can be avoided without turning the whole system into a blob, then. | Oct 20 14:26 |
| trmanco | BSoD frenzy -> http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/10/20/microsoft-open-own-stores/ | Oct 20 14:26 |
| phIRCe | Title: Microsoft to Open Own Stores .::. Size~: 50.5 KB | Oct 20 14:26 |
| oiaohm | History says no MinceR | Oct 20 14:26 |
| MinceR | history? | Oct 20 14:26 |
| MinceR | where's that one-blob system you're referring to? | Oct 20 14:27 |
| oiaohm | Not when you are going to a single theme solution. | Oct 20 14:27 |
| oiaohm | People don't notice that enlightnement and others have gone threw the one blob solution at times. | Oct 20 14:27 |
| MinceR | my desktop has done pretty well with multiple themes so far. | Oct 20 14:27 |
| oiaohm | Theme engine change MinceR | Oct 20 14:27 |
| MinceR | enlightenment lets you use the panel of your choice | Oct 20 14:27 |
| oiaohm | Not just changing themes. | Oct 20 14:27 |
| MinceR | and gnome let you use enlightenment or another wm of your choice | Oct 20 14:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Michael Feiner - must be the music (extended mix)" ♫ http://blip.fm/~f44tc | Oct 20 14:28 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Blip.fm | What are you listening to? .::. Size~: 28.31 KB | Oct 20 14:28 |
| MinceR | and no "theme failures" happened | Oct 20 14:28 |
| MinceR | must have been magic | Oct 20 14:28 |
| oiaohm | How many of those panels are theme matched MinceR | Oct 20 14:28 |
| MinceR | i don't care if they're theme matched. | Oct 20 14:28 |
| MinceR | in the worst case i'll find something that fits. | Oct 20 14:28 |
| oiaohm | Sorry to say lots of people do MinceR | Oct 20 14:28 |
| MinceR | then they can use the distro default. :> | Oct 20 14:28 |
| MinceR | it's no reason to glue everything together. | Oct 20 14:29 |
| oiaohm | Currently there are a lot of complaints about plasma desktop and kde applications been themed differently. | Oct 20 14:29 |
| MinceR | actually you could even use your widget toolkit to do the theming | Oct 20 14:29 |
| MinceR | for example, i'm using the qtcurve decorator for kwin | Oct 20 14:29 |
| MinceR | and qtcurve as my qt and gtk engine. | Oct 20 14:29 |
| MinceR | which of course means that gnome-panel is also rendered via qtcurve | Oct 20 14:30 |
| *skreuzer (n=skreuzer@209.249.190.8) has left #boycottnovell | Oct 20 14:30 | |
| MinceR | yet i could still switch out a lot of this if i wanted | Oct 20 14:30 |
| MinceR | despite the slight brokenness in kde4's design | Oct 20 14:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @judsondunn RT @ryanblock: Un-freaking-believable shots of Saturn: http://bit.ly/1kl1UH | Oct 20 14:31 | |
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| oiaohm | plasma theme engine does more than qt engine currently does MinceR. Guess were the enhancements from plasma will end up eventually. MinceR | Oct 20 14:32 |
| oiaohm | Basically its the move game but carefully. | Oct 20 14:33 |
| MinceR | they should think more about cases when the user only wants to use some of the components | Oct 20 14:34 |
| oiaohm | Also KDE 4.4 also has the full offical support for plasmoids in the systray. | Oct 20 14:36 |
| MinceR | yay | Oct 20 14:36 |
| MinceR | so they're dead set on breaking their desktop environment after all. | Oct 20 14:36 |
| oiaohm | No. | Oct 20 14:37 |
| oiaohm | Those plasmoids also will work in gnome systray. | Oct 20 14:37 |
| MinceR | let's go and put plasmoids on the text consoles too, then we'll have an excuse to merge the whole stack from the kernel to the apps! | Oct 20 14:37 |
| MinceR | will they also work in the blackbox/openbox/fluxbox wms' systray? | Oct 20 14:37 |
| MinceR | will they also work in the enlightenment systray? | Oct 20 14:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Does Linux Suck?: http://is.gd/4srYk | Oct 20 14:38 | |
| *MinceR can't recall if fvwm or icewm offered a systray of their own | Oct 20 14:38 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Embedded.com - Does Linux Suck? .::. Size~: 79.96 KB | Oct 20 14:38 |
| oiaohm | Plasma script engine and plasma theme engien is independant. | Oct 20 14:38 |
| oiaohm | Ie Plasma theme engine merged with kwin so making things more costant. | Oct 20 14:38 |
| MinceR | then that might fix the current breakage | Oct 20 14:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-10-19-025-35-NW-MS-SW-0001 | Oct 20 14:38 |
| phIRCe | Title: Linux Today - Mozilla blocks then unblocks Microsoft add-ons for Firefox .::. Size~: 75.47 KB | Oct 20 14:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz which handset maker with US market share doesn't? | Oct 20 14:39 | |
| schestowitz | trmanco: "I use Linux every day and like it a lot. I use Windows every day and like it, too (though detest Vista). " | Oct 20 14:39 |
| schestowitz | http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/ict/files/consultation_standardisation_2009/021_microsoft_en.pdf | Oct 20 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | You will find the same terms from ACT copy/pasted from the Microsoft | Oct 20 14:40 |
| schestowitz | letter, such as: | Oct 20 14:40 |
| schestowitz | "respecting the owner's IPR, implement clear, transparent and balanced | Oct 20 14:40 |
| schestowitz | IPR policies which do not discriminate and allow competition among | Oct 20 14:40 |
| schestowitz | different business models, and which seek to ensure the effectiveness | Oct 20 14:40 |
| schestowitz | of procedures for IPR disclosures". | Oct 20 14:40 |
| schestowitz | It would be nice to draw a table between the two to see how they | Oct 20 14:40 |
| schestowitz | managed to use the same terms. | Oct 20 14:40 |
| schestowitz | Oops. | Oct 20 14:40 |
| schestowitz | How did that happen? | Oct 20 14:40 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically plasma desktop was used to test out theming. In a way not to break the complete system at once. But at some point you have to merge the test space out of existance. | Oct 20 14:40 |
| trmanco | lol | Oct 20 14:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard OpenMoko | Oct 20 14:41 | |
| schestowitz | trmanco: "Linux sucks" is a trolling headline | Oct 20 14:41 |
| trmanco | yeah | Oct 20 14:41 |
| schestowitz | Similar to the Linsux people... BOTH of them! :-) | Oct 20 14:41 |
| trmanco | another one to catch attention | Oct 20 14:41 |
| schestowitz | "Does Linux suck?" | Oct 20 14:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes | Oct 20 14:43 |
| schestowitz | "is Kissinger not a war criminal?" | Oct 20 14:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | does it suck less than everything else out there? | Oct 20 14:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes | Oct 20 14:43 |
| schestowitz | "Is ballmer molesting kids?" | Oct 20 14:43 |
| oiaohm | Boy that is a troll and a half schestowitz with that Linux Sux | Oct 20 14:43 |
| schestowitz | "Is there any global warming?" | Oct 20 14:43 |
| schestowitz | "Is the world really round?" | Oct 20 14:43 |
| oiaohm | Redhat Linux is certified to hold all classifications of data at once. Windows is not certified to do that. | Oct 20 14:43 |
| oiaohm | Of course with selinux enabled and configured. | Oct 20 14:44 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7's cool. http://portablecontent.com/static/files/assets/781a2bf3/vista_dx10_bsod.jpg | Oct 20 14:46 |
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| schestowitz | Zune's cool, too http://images.appleinsider.com/ms-zune-stupidity-061114s.jpg | Oct 20 14:46 |
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| schestowitz | See comments: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-10-19-030-35-OS-CY | Oct 20 14:49 |
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| schestowitz | http://blog.devx.com/2009/10/you-cant-teach-expertise.html | Oct 20 14:50 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: in Aussie, this shop seems to be trying to steal V7's thunder: http://www.crn.com.au/News/158521,everything-linux-store-set-for-opening-on-friday.aspx | Oct 20 14:51 |
| schestowitz | Timing can't be a coincidence, can it? There are other things that GOogle plans to unveil to steal the thunder of v7 | Oct 20 14:52 |
| mutx | when ? and how can an obscure shop in Aus steal Win7's thunder ? :) | Oct 20 14:53 |
| schestowitz | mutx: some time this week | Oct 20 14:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/10/19/going_going_gone_google/ | Oct 20 14:55 |
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| schestowitz | ^^ not my assertion | Oct 20 14:55 |
| oiaohm | Nice to see them coming back in business schestowitz | Oct 20 14:56 |
| oiaohm | Hopefully the same spirt they were good to get hardware that worked with Linux. | Oct 20 14:57 |
| mutx | dont think it's doing to make much difference, the big chain stoes are advertising here in every add slot for Win7, giving away a free keyboard or a Office07 pack | Oct 20 14:57 |
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| oiaohm | Yep the have to clear the Office 07 stock for the 2010 stock next year mutx | Oct 20 14:59 |
| schestowitz | They can't monetise like this | Oct 20 15:00 |
| schestowitz | Let them devalue Office | Oct 20 15:00 |
| schestowitz | And Windows too | Oct 20 15:00 |
| schestowitz | They shoot theselves in the foot | Oct 20 15:00 |
| schestowitz | They can either choose margins (and lost empire) or large userbase | Oct 20 15:00 |
| schestowitz | They choose the latter while seeing their profits sink at unprecedented rates | Oct 20 15:01 |
| schestowitz | Let them | Oct 20 15:01 |
| oiaohm | Lot of Linux Haters don't get it yet. | Oct 20 15:01 |
| oiaohm | Linux improvements are only a tip of a very large iceberg rising. | Oct 20 15:02 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #MikeeUSA hates #women and hates #nexuiz, what a douche http://ur1.ca/e0l4 | Oct 20 15:04 | |
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| mutx | I dont really know too many people who are "anti-linux" I know alot of computer users who just dont care, but most computer users dont have a clue about what their OS is. just as long as their favorate apps work | Oct 20 15:05 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz "with US market share". openmoko will take an approximately negligible portion of the % nokia has lost. | Oct 20 15:13 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-10-19-030-35-OS-CY-0010 | Oct 20 15:15 |
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| trmanco | heh | Oct 20 15:20 |
| trmanco | I know why Twitter would block me | Oct 20 15:20 |
| trmanco | I was making to many requests in an hour | Oct 20 15:20 |
| trmanco | I'm only allowed to do 150 per how and I was doing 240 (or at least trying to do) | Oct 20 15:21 |
| trmanco | hour* | Oct 20 15:21 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: is the kde wallet tray icon plasma-only, too? | Oct 20 15:21 |
| oiaohm | I did not think it was MinceR | Oct 20 15:22 |
| oiaohm | But I have not dug in that code for a while. | Oct 20 15:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Monty-Widenius-asks-Oracle-to-sell-MySQL-833056.html | Oct 20 15:22 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: 60/hour I thought was max | Oct 20 15:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/68416.html?wlc=1256048518 http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/68416.html?wlc=1256048518 | Oct 20 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | "...blocking two Microsoft plug-ins after the discovery that Microsoft's .Net 3.5 SP1 install silently adds a plug-in to Firefox allowing the surreptitious launch of a malicious XAML browser application that could take over infected machines." | Oct 20 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Those bunch of gangsets | Oct 20 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Imposing XAML on people | Oct 20 15:25 |
| schestowitz | ECIS should sue | Oct 20 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Those gangsters from Redmond think they not only own their OS but also applications that run on it, like Firefox | Oct 20 15:25 |
| schestowitz | That's trespassing | Oct 20 15:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Best postal code ever -> http://is.gd/4sv3y | Oct 20 15:26 | |
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| trmanco | anybody get it? | Oct 20 15:27 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Oct 20 15:28 |
| trmanco | lol | Oct 20 15:29 |
| schestowitz | See this http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=v4g+1n4&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=50.02446,79.013672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=British+Columbia+V4G+1N4,+Canada&t=h&z=16 | Oct 20 15:29 |
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| schestowitz | See what google proposes | Oct 20 15:29 |
| schestowitz | It calls me an idiot if I put it wrong postcodes | Oct 20 15:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] right, off to third interview of the day! then home to die. ps: please kill me. and GIVE ME MONEY. | Oct 20 15:31 | |
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| trmanco | http://www.cio.com.au/article/322855/red_hat_passes_microsoft_stock_price_now_what | Oct 20 15:35 |
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| schestowitz | http://fedoratux.blogspot.com/2009/10/thoughts-from-6-month-old-gentoo-user.html | Oct 20 15:38 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: price of stack means nothing | Oct 20 15:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Vulnerabilities-in-several-PDF-applications-833449.html | Oct 20 15:42 |
| schestowitz | "Developers have also released a patch for the free Xpdf PDF reader that fixes four security problems in version 3.02. Exploits for a buffer overflow and a null pointer dereference hole are already in circulation. Problems in Xpdf usually cause a whole string of vulnerabilities in other applications that are based on its code, for example poppler, CUPS , Gpdf and KPDF." | Oct 20 15:42 |
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| mutx | im seeing a 6-month old baby, in a nappy explaing the benifits of Gentoo :) | Oct 20 15:42 |
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| schestowitz | Nativity: "I remember a time, recent enough ago that I scarcely need archive.org to read the articles that discussed it, when people were saying that Linux shouldn't care about what Microsoft (or whoever) does, and just make the best OS possible. I think I've said the same thing myself a few times as well." | Oct 20 15:46 |
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| schestowitz | Haha. And when SCO and trolls sue you with Microsoft patents pretend it can be ignored... http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/10/no_linux_finger.html;jsessionid=YTI0COEPV0ALLQE1GHPSKH4ATMY32JVN | Oct 20 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | good news/bad news | Oct 20 15:46 |
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| schestowitz | I love how some people think they can just ignore the company that constantly attack Linux | Oct 20 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | I had to get a new tire, but they prorated the replacement and I only paid $40 | Oct 20 15:47 |
| schestowitz | They think that if they don't pay attention to Microsoft, then Microsoft will leave them alone | Oct 20 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | while I was at Walmart I went and took my blood pressure though and it was 146/90 | Oct 20 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | that machine has to be wrong | Oct 20 15:47 |
| schestowitz | Linus is among those people | Oct 20 15:47 |
| schestowitz | 146 pulse? | Oct 20 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | systolic pressure | Oct 20 15:48 |
| schestowitz | You're living on the fast lane | Oct 20 15:48 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Oct 20 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | pressure when the heart beats | Oct 20 15:48 |
| schestowitz | Pressure | Oct 20 15:48 |
| schestowitz | That's high. IIRC mine was like 110 | Oct 20 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | 90 was the diastolic, which is between beats | Oct 20 15:48 |
| schestowitz | Can't remember though.. | Oct 20 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | pulse was 76 bpm | Oct 20 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, it's reading it high though | Oct 20 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Overclock it | Oct 20 15:49 |
| schestowitz | The EULA of life permits it | Oct 20 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | they have a small cuff which is innapropriate | Oct 20 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | both of those numbers should read about 10 lower | Oct 20 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | that's assuming the machine itself is reading it properly | Oct 20 15:50 |
| schestowitz | Underclock it then | Oct 20 15:50 |
| schestowitz | Just don't forget the screwdriver in your rib cage :-) | Oct 20 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | I don't really trust automatic blood pressure machines | Oct 20 15:50 |
| schestowitz | Pace makers? | Oct 20 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | no, those blood pressure machines that doctors offices use now | Oct 20 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | don't trust them | Oct 20 15:51 |
| cubezzz | why not? | Oct 20 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | it's not uncommon for them to be high or low by a significant margin | Oct 20 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | the size of the cuff being wrong only adds to that problem | Oct 20 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't accept a hypertension diagnosis based on just that | Oct 20 15:53 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, of course Microsoft should be watched as I've said before | Oct 20 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | I'd tell them to use a manual cuff | Oct 20 15:53 |
| cubezzz | any computer person is going to have a tough time avoiding Microsoft completely | Oct 20 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | I went to the beauty college today for a haircut and the student just did not get the concept of a "fade" and at first it looked like a mini-afro | Oct 20 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | what is wrong with those people? | Oct 20 15:55 |
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| DaemonFC | the instructor always fixes it though even though I tell the student what to do | Oct 20 15:55 |
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| cubezzz | I used one of the machines at the pharmacy and it said I have 0 blood pressure | Oct 20 15:55 |
| cubezzz | so yeah, the machines aren't too great | Oct 20 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | you were pronounced dead? | Oct 20 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | well, it must be true, a machine said it | Oct 20 15:56 |
| mutx | cubezzz did you put a coin in LOL | Oct 20 15:56 |
| cubezzz | no, it just said "000" | Oct 20 15:56 |
| cubezzz | mutx, it was free, no coin slot | Oct 20 15:56 |
| schestowitz | http://kdubois.net/?p=592 | Oct 20 15:59 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: maybe you look at the machine upside down | Oct 20 15:59 |
| schestowitz | It said 000, not 000 | Oct 20 15:59 |
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| mutx | has piratebay been taken down ? | Oct 20 16:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=987 | Oct 20 16:04 |
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| schestowitz | mutx: that's like asking is sco is dead | Oct 20 16:04 |
| cubezzz | I see there web page is up | Oct 20 16:05 |
| schestowitz | http://ftbeowulf.wordpress.com/2009/10/19/i-stumbled-upon-sexism-this-week/ | Oct 20 16:06 |
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| mutx | thanks thats all I was asking, I was not trying to be meterphorical or anything. | Oct 20 16:06 |
| schestowitz | !google thepirategoogle | Oct 20 16:06 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Torrent File Search Using Google Custom Search - Scour the Entire ... | http://www.thepirategoogle.com/ | Oct 20 16:06 |
| phIRCe | [2] - ThePirateGoogle | http://digg.com/odd_stuff/ThePirateGoogle | Oct 20 16:06 |
| phIRCe | [3] - The Pirate Google (ThePirateGoogle) on Twitter | http://twitter.com/thepirategoogle | Oct 20 16:06 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Thepirategoogle.com - Quarkbase, Easier way to find website ... | http://www.quarkbase.com/thepirategoogle.com | Oct 20 16:06 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, zer0c00l | Oct 20 16:31 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: Hi ;) | Oct 20 16:31 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mr. @SJVN Explains How to Approach #GNU #Linux as New Users http://bit.ly/3s2moh | Oct 20 16:42 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Audiocasts About #GNU #Linux: #LinuxBasement and #LinuxOutlaws http://ur1.ca/e0tz http://ur1.ca/dwn7 | Oct 20 16:44 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU / #Linux #Gamers Gets Great #Games Easily http://bit.ly/iWKo1 | Oct 20 16:47 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE 4 Already Ahead of #Vista7. What's a #Microsoft to Do? http://ur1.ca/e0up http://ur1.ca/e0uq http://ur1.ca/e0ur | Oct 20 16:49 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Parsix #GNU #Linux 3.0 in #Review Again http://bit.ly/35SD98 | Oct 20 16:53 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Releases of #GNU #Linux: GParted 0.4.7-1, Caos 1.0.25, Baltix 4.1 - going strong :-) | Oct 20 16:54 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Performs Extraordinarily Well Even in Tough Market http://ur1.ca/e0vg #gnupowa | Oct 20 16:55 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android 's Closed Parts Getting Worked Around http://lwn.net/Articles/355523/ http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=26108 | Oct 20 17:01 | |
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| wallc | I realized this morning that, even after two years away from Windows, I am still (apparently) suffering from "Windows-itis". It's a common infirmity that targets ex-Windows users. | Oct 20 17:04 |
| wallc | Its symptoms include the expectation for everything to be FAR more difficult than it needs to be. Causing the "Windows-itis" sufferer to feel uneasy, distrustful, and confused when faced with actual (possible) simplicity. | Oct 20 17:04 |
| wallc | Old addictions are hard to kick... | Oct 20 17:04 |
| schestowitz | "Windows-itis". | Oct 20 17:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Preview of #Kubuntu #GNU #Linux 9.10, Other #Ubuntu News http://ur1.ca/e0we http://ur1.ca/e0wf http://ur1.ca/dxzv http://ur1.ca/e0wg | Oct 20 17:05 | |
| schestowitz | I remember reading about it | Oct 20 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | Some funny blog posts at the time | Oct 20 17:05 |
| schestowitz | wallc: what kind of addictions? | Oct 20 17:05 |
| schestowitz | In Win98 I tamed some things | Oct 20 17:05 |
| wallc | to old Windows habits | Oct 20 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Like their awful, awful menus | Oct 20 17:06 |
| schestowitz | I just set up keyboard shortcuts | Oct 20 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Instead of mousing, programs, vendor name, program name | Oct 20 17:06 |
| wallc | Well, I'm having a problem and would like to ask a potentially stewpid question. (not that it would be the first time that's happened, but it's the first time I'm actually aware that the question is likely pure-noob-stewpid, *before* I ask it). | Oct 20 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Windows habit: save file every minute | Oct 20 17:07 |
| schestowitz | !google those who do not ask are stupid | Oct 20 17:07 |
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| phIRCe | [2] - WikiAnswers - Why do people ask stupid questions | http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_do_people_ask_stupid_questions | Oct 20 17:07 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Ovi Magazine : Ask a Stupid Question Day by Jack Wellman | http://www.ovimagazine.com/art/2094 | Oct 20 17:07 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Ask a Stupid Question: The Irrelevance of Relevance - Jeff ... | http://www.jackmyers.com/commentary/The-Brothers-Einstein-for-The-New-EPA/52901982.html | Oct 20 17:07 |
| wallc | ok, here's the problem...my old "wallclimber" irc nick stopped working a couple of weeks ago. I had never registered it, so it was my own fault. However, I'd like to register now. And yes, I have read the registration instructions over and over again on the Freenode FAQ page. | Oct 20 17:07 |
| schestowitz | There's this quote I can't remember | Oct 20 17:07 |
| *kecskebak has quit ("Don't do anything I wouldn't do...") | Oct 20 17:07 | |
| schestowitz | About people who never ask questions and thus suffer | Oct 20 17:08 |
| schestowitz | There's also silence id gold, but that's opposite | Oct 20 17:08 |
| wallc | My confusion is that the FAQ does not clearly say where, exactly, to put the nick and email information. I'm sure it must be quite simple and obvious (I mean, even trolls can apparently figure it out, right?) | Oct 20 17:08 |
| schestowitz | wallc: I registered just once, I can't remember how | Oct 20 17:08 |
| wallc | But, as an ex-Windows user, I keep looking for a secure registration page, or a "wizard" of some kind...it's ok to laugh), but I'm thinking that (maybe?) the information just goes into the chat box...is that correct...is it really something that simple? | Oct 20 17:08 |
| schestowitz | Someone helped me w/ it | Oct 20 17:08 |
| schestowitz | wallc: it's usually some commands | Oct 20 17:09 |
| schestowitz | Where you give an E-mail address IIRC | Oct 20 17:09 |
| wallc | I did try doing that once, but (to my absolute horror and profound embarrasment) I only ended up posting my nick, email and password in plain text, in front of everyone on the Ubuntu irc channel...(making a grandma-grimmace here) | Oct 20 17:09 |
| wallc | so, what am i missing? | Oct 20 17:10 |
| wallc | i know this has got to be something so simple i'm going to laugh when i figure it out | Oct 20 17:11 |
| cubezzz | "/msg nickserv identify password" | Oct 20 17:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free #VoIP Software Good Enough for #IBM to Sell to Clients http://ur1.ca/e0x7 http://ur1.ca/e0x9 #asterisk | Oct 20 17:15 | |
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| wallc | thank you, cubezzz, but *where*, exactly, should i type that? | Oct 20 17:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apache Carries on Growing http://bit.ly/18syVZ | Oct 20 17:18 | |
| cubezzz | wallc, right in here, without the quotes | Oct 20 17:19 |
| wallc | ok...will try it :) | Oct 20 17:19 |
| cubezzz | someone's really hammering port 22 on my box | Oct 20 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | wallc: or within another channel like Freenode | Oct 20 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Where you don't have other people, it's more of a meta-channel with service notices | Oct 20 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: must be the KGB | Oct 20 17:23 |
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| cubezzz | kireev.kraslan.ru | Oct 20 17:23 |
| cubezzz | it is russian :) | Oct 20 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Oct 20 17:24 |
| schestowitz | In Soviet Russia, port 22 hammers on YOU | Oct 20 17:24 |
| cubezzz | I need to tighten up security | Oct 20 17:26 |
| zer0c00l | cubezzz: Disable root login via ssh, if possible disable password auth too; | Oct 20 17:26 |
| cubezzz | root login was disabled years ago | Oct 20 17:26 |
| zer0c00l | cubezzz: add the kireev.kraslan.ru in iptables block list ;) | Oct 20 17:27 |
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| cubezzz | zer0c00l, yes also done | Oct 20 17:29 |
| cubezzz | I've never seen this many sshd processes | Oct 20 17:30 |
| zer0c00l | cubezzz: ;) | Oct 20 17:30 |
| cubezzz | been a lot of junk the last few days | Oct 20 17:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Interview with #LarryAugustin http://bit.ly/mgVzU??blogid=150&entry_id=49505 | Oct 20 17:38 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Parliamentary Communications Group Shoots Down Apparent Mandelson|Geffen #Collusion http://ur1.ca/dvz1 | Oct 20 17:39 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Latest Evils of #IntellectualMonopolies Cartels http://ur1.ca/dva4 http://ur1.ca/e0zg http://ur1.ca/e0zh | Oct 20 17:41 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #gNewSense 2.3 Gets Rid of Microvell's #Mono http://ur1.ca/dyrm http://ur1.ca/dyrl #trojan | Oct 20 17:48 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Warning: #Vista7 is RUBBISH for Gamers http://bit.ly/VYW15 | Oct 20 17:51 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Again Lies About Its Marker Share/Sales Numbers http://ur1.ca/e10i | Oct 20 17:52 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Safe Commerce/Banks Require #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/e10p http://ur1.ca/e10s | Oct 20 17:56 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Windows unsafe for online banking? Shopping? | ITworld .::. Size~: 85.1 KB | Oct 20 17:56 |
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| trmanco | http://diveintomark.org/archives/2009/10/19/the-point | Oct 20 18:05 |
| phIRCe | Title: Thank you for giving me the opportunity to explain this to you [dive into mark] .::. Size~: 30.43 KB | Oct 20 18:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♻ @chrisblizzard: Web Open Font Format for Firefox 3.6 - new format to support web designers and font creators - http://bit.ly/fx-woff | Oct 20 18:06 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Web Open Font Format for Firefox 3.6 at hacks.mozilla.org .::. Size~: 36.44 KB | Oct 20 18:06 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: I'll add you to aggregator | Oct 20 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Hold on.. | Oct 20 18:06 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: ? | Oct 20 18:08 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: Blog feeds? | Oct 20 18:08 |
| trmanco | http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/10/ibm-and-ubuntu-roll-linux-for.html | Oct 20 18:12 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: never mind http://identi.ca/boycottnovell ;) | Oct 20 18:19 |
| phIRCe | Title: boycottnovell (boycottnovell) - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 11.73 KB | Oct 20 18:19 |
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| schestowitz | Linus Pauling at 92: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXiUcU3rz3s&feature=related | Oct 20 18:23 |
| phIRCe | Title: YouTube - Linus Pauling on vitamin C in urine (1993) .::. Size~: 139.92 KB | Oct 20 18:23 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: for IRC | Oct 20 18:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dXgpy8mMHA&NR=1 | Oct 20 18:28 |
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| Omar87 | Hi all. | Oct 20 18:28 |
| Omar87 | How's everyone? | Oct 20 18:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Some happy bunny called Alex Brown is very busy today http://ping.fm/P8fMj #ooxml #odf | Oct 20 18:30 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] 'Big brother is watching situation' in india, now gov wants all wifi users to be registered http://tinyurl.com/ykvvrtd | Oct 20 18:34 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Indian Government Wants Telcos To Register WiFi Users Within 60 Days | MediaNama .::. Size~: 68.74 KB | Oct 20 18:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Big Moose: http://is.gd/4sGZU | Oct 20 18:38 | |
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| schestowitz | MoG channels Darl McBride http://dotnet.sys-con.com/node/1150867 | Oct 20 18:48 |
| phIRCe | Title: Fired SCO CEO Fires Back | .NET Developer's Journal .::. Size~: 130 KB | Oct 20 18:48 |
| schestowitz | How does she know? | Oct 20 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Is he her boyfriend? | Oct 20 18:48 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9cg4454mYA&NR=1 | Oct 20 19:01 |
| phIRCe | Title: YouTube - Natural Cure for Depression, Bipolar, ADHD, Schizophrenia.. .::. Size~: 104.08 KB | Oct 20 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Skip to minute 6:00 | Oct 20 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Rants about CA healthcare | Oct 20 19:01 |
| mutx | damn, my Atypical dissociative Disorder !! | Oct 20 19:03 |
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| tessier | But, if you disagree with me and feel that I should step down as CEO, then I would propose that you shift my role to be the senior licensing executive over the SCOsource program. I would agree to a comp plan that would be heavy on performance incentives and much lower on base salary. | Oct 20 19:10 |
| tessier | hrmm....Darl is willing to put his own personal money where his mouth is. | Oct 20 19:10 |
| tessier | He must really believe in this SCOsource stuff. | Oct 20 19:10 |
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| schestowitz | g2g bbl | Oct 20 19:17 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Snoop Dogg - Gangsta Luv (Ft. The Dream) (Dirty) EXCLUSIVE 2009 DOWNLOAD LINK" ♫ http://blip.fm/~f4lqa | Oct 20 19:27 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Blip.fm | What are you listening to? .::. Size~: 28.31 KB | Oct 20 19:27 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "i go hard baby yes kissin on ya chest & im diggin out your stress " | Oct 20 19:32 | |
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| DaemonFC | I'm going on Crestor now | Oct 20 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | it can't be a bad medicine, it had Patrick Stewart in the commercial | Oct 20 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 20 19:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Linkin Park - "New Divide"" ♫ http://blip.fm/~f4mmy | Oct 20 19:41 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Blip.fm | What are you listening to? .::. Size~: 28.31 KB | Oct 20 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | would Picard lie to you? | Oct 20 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Oct 20 19:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Mark'Oh - United (official video)" ♫ http://blip.fm/~f4mti | Oct 20 19:43 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Blip.fm | What are you listening to? .::. Size~: 28.31 KB | Oct 20 19:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Mark'Oh - United (official video)" ♫ http://blip.fm/~f4mvq | Oct 20 19:44 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Blip.fm | What are you listening to? .::. Size~: 28.31 KB | Oct 20 19:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "Maybe one day we`ll be united. And our love won`t be divided" | Oct 20 19:46 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "Baby one day we`ll be united And our love won`t be divided" -> this is how I understand it :-P Makes more sense... | Oct 20 19:46 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Nixon - Be with you" ♫ http://blip.fm/~f4nh1 | Oct 20 19:53 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Blip.fm | What are you listening to? .::. Size~: 28.31 KB | Oct 20 19:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "You are like fire inside my mind,[...] you have a boyfriend but what to do ... all the time I wanna be yours [...] baby what can I dooo" | Oct 20 20:01 | |
| mutx | trmaco ?? | Oct 20 20:02 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "to be with yooouuuuuuuuuu, be with yoou" | Oct 20 20:03 | |
| trmanco | lol | Oct 20 20:04 |
| trmanco | music | Oct 20 20:04 |
| mutx | words, strange ones, not music. | Oct 20 20:04 |
| trmanco | they are lyrics | Oct 20 20:05 |
| mutx | we guessed that, but it's lyrics, not music. | Oct 20 20:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] oh dear lord, another site i have to read the entirety of. http://www.whoinventedfoxes.com | Oct 20 20:06 | |
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| trmanco | if you click the link it will redirect you to the music | Oct 20 20:06 |
| mutx | but I dont care for your music, if you like it fine, listen to it. | Oct 20 20:06 |
| trmanco | that's what I was doing | Oct 20 20:07 |
| _Hicham_ | !google trmanco music | Oct 20 20:08 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Blip.fm | trmanco | Armin Van Buuren – Fine Without You Feat ... | http://blip.fm/~ehg5b | Oct 20 20:08 |
| phIRCe | [2] - trmanco subscriptions - Identi.ca | http://identi.ca/trmanco/subscriptions | Oct 20 20:08 |
| phIRCe | [3] - The Windows Song | trmanco.com | http://trmanco.com/2008/02/18/the-windows-song.trm | Oct 20 20:08 |
| phIRCe | [4] - IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: September 7th, 2009 | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/irc-log-07092009.html | Oct 20 20:08 |
| trmanco | stop stalking :-P | Oct 20 20:08 |
| trmanco | !google Hicham | Oct 20 20:10 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Hicham El Guerrouj - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hicham_El_Guerrouj | Oct 20 20:10 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Prince Moulay Hicham of Morocco - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Moulay_Hicham_of_Morocco | Oct 20 20:10 |
| phIRCe | [3] - YouTube - Hicham El Guerrouj sets a world record in the mile | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DXvCsj7eJKKA | Oct 20 20:10 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Chami, Hicham | http://www.hichamchami.com/ | Oct 20 20:10 |
| trmanco | :-P | Oct 20 20:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @docbrite Letters of Note: Hunter S. Thompson http://bit.ly/3p4i5R - This is why I don't get involved w/potential films of my work. | Oct 20 20:10 | |
| trmanco | none of them are you | Oct 20 20:10 |
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| _Hicham_ | trmanco : how do u know ? | Oct 20 20:10 |
| trmanco | just a guess | Oct 20 20:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "The Prodigy - Voodoo People (Pendulum Remix)" ♫ http://blip.fm/~f4ose | Oct 20 20:13 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Blip.fm | What are you listening to? .::. Size~: 28.31 KB | Oct 20 20:13 |
| _Hicham_ | trmanco : listen to free software song remix | Oct 20 20:13 |
| mutx | just dont tell us about it :) | Oct 20 20:15 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/1020/p06s14-woeu.html | Oct 20 20:31 |
| phIRCe | Title: Vatican welcome to Anglicans boldest move since Reformation | csmonitor.com .::. Size~: 83.08 KB | Oct 20 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | Catholic church welcomes back gay bashers and misogynists | Oct 20 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 20 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | is how that should read | Oct 20 20:32 |
| MinceR | doesn't sound like much of news that way :> | Oct 20 20:33 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Yeah, suppose not | Oct 20 20:43 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] RT @EFF "U.S. Spies Buy Stake in Firm That Monitors Blogs, Tweets" http://ur1.ca/e1gb | Oct 20 20:49 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Exclusive: U.S. Spies Buy Stake in Firm That Monitors Blogs, Tweets | Danger Room | Wired.com .::. Size~: 85.13 KB | Oct 20 20:49 |
| fewa | geeze http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trafigura#Superinjunction | Oct 20 21:04 |
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| fewa | WTF | Oct 20 21:04 |
| fewa | Who wrote the injunction? | Oct 20 21:05 |
| fewa | Mr Justice Tugendhat | Oct 20 21:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Daily Mash: Everyone to run everything past @stephenfry http://is.gd/4sPMX | Oct 20 21:12 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Coming up in about half an hour: Instrumental Version of my Trance/Club house editon of the Free Software Song. Feat RMS speech samples | Oct 20 21:34 | |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Oct 20 21:57 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Instrumental Trance/Club version of the Free Software Song, Feat. speech samples of RMS released under GPLv3: http://tinyurl.com/ylpxqsj | Oct 20 22:13 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst cool, post a link | Oct 20 22:13 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: m2mst is your fan | Oct 20 22:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz ok it done, posted it a few secconds ago ;-) | Oct 20 22:15 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'm on Crestor now | Oct 20 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | turns out that I'm poor enough that AstraZeneca will give it to me 90 days at a time for free | Oct 20 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | I won't argue with that | Oct 20 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | if they ever won't give it to me, there's plenty of cheap generic statins out there | Oct 20 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not going to pay $100 a bottle for Crestor | Oct 20 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | In theory, it's more effective than some of the generics | Oct 20 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | either way, it's free for now | Oct 20 22:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst brilliant! On track loop. | Oct 20 22:19 | |
| DaemonFC | Those programs exist for two reasons, schestowitz. | Oct 20 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | (1) So that they can point to them if people say they're denying lifesaving medication | Oct 20 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | (2) Establishes future potential customer when they get on insurance or Medicaid or Medicare | Oct 20 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Some friends of mine had their phd funded by AstraZeneca | Oct 20 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | I'd imagine they also get some kind of tax writeoff | Oct 20 22:20 |
| schestowitz | No, it's to give you trial version | Oct 20 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The drug companies are like Microsoft in that way, or maybe MS is like the drug companies | Oct 20 22:20 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @wikileaks Trafigura: anatomy of a super-injunction - Guardian analyzes its own gag (order also in WL) http://tinyurl.com/gaganatomy | Oct 20 22:21 | |
| DaemonFC | they "adjust" their prices based on who will pay what in any circumstance | Oct 20 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | like I said, they're hoping that when you can pay or have insurance, you'll know to tell the doc that you take Crestor | Oct 20 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | I'll take Crestor for free, if it's ever not free, I'll take the $4 generics | Oct 20 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | either way I get about equal results | Oct 20 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: There's a lot more blatant drug industry fraud going around | Oct 20 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat share price passes Microsoft's http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1559094/red-hat-share-price-passes-microsoft | Oct 20 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | there's generics for $4 a month for both Prozac and Zyprexa, so Eli Lilly makes a combination pill called Symbyax and charges $214 a bottle | Oct 20 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | you can get the same effect for $8 | Oct 20 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Yes, it's like EDGI | Oct 20 22:24 |
| schestowitz | That's what happens when it costs next to nothing to duplicate | Oct 20 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Making pills is cheap | Oct 20 22:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @wikileaks Trafigura: anatomy of a super-injunction - Guardian analyzes its own gag (order also in WL) http://tinyurl.com/gaganatomy | Oct 20 22:25 | |
| schestowitz | R&D is the harder part | Oct 20 22:25 |
| schestowitz | So tiered pricing is what they attempt | Oct 20 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Exactly. Without "patient assistance programs" they would lose millions of customers, permenantly, to cheap generics of older drugs | Oct 20 22:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz It needs more work, it's too monotone now. Also working on a edition with the text using Ktts Manager | Oct 20 22:26 | |
| DaemonFC | last thing they want, and the pills only cost pennies to make | Oct 20 22:26 |
| schestowitz | A friend of mine got a live USB with GNU/Linux on it | Oct 20 22:26 |
| schestowitz | I was surprised | Oct 20 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | it's worth it to give you theirs for free for now | Oct 20 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Another friend made it for him | Oct 20 22:26 |
| schestowitz | So he might move to it from XP | Oct 20 22:26 |
| schestowitz | He's not into computers, but just see how far Linux comes under people's noses | Oct 20 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I've never taken brand name medicine unless I got it for free anyway, even when I had insurance | Oct 20 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | I just consider it wrong to take name brand medicine when a generic does the same job | Oct 20 22:27 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft sees what's coming. Things like Word and Excel sort of like a drug now getting ready to go generic." | Oct 20 22:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst needs more voiceover (more than twice) | Oct 20 22:28 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/state-state-microsoft-responds-assault/story.aspx?guid=%7BC0D943C4%2D4ADC%2D471C%2D8F87%2D9181A4EC3E7B%7D&siteid=yhoof | Oct 20 22:28 |
| phIRCe | Title: State by state, Microsoft responds to assault on its dominance - MarketWatch .::. Size~: 83.78 KB | Oct 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | That's when Microsoft did a lot of crimes | Oct 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | To fight the 'generic' stuff | Oct 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | THey never went to prison | Oct 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | That's how those cartels work | Oct 20 22:29 |
| schestowitz | They're above the law | Oct 20 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Prisons are for shoplifers and stuff :0) | Oct 20 22:29 |
| schestowitz | The little crimes that cost society very little and usually involved people who were screwed BY society to the point of hunger in the first place | Oct 20 22:29 |
| schestowitz | I find *that* unethical and broken | Oct 20 22:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz You mean RMS, should be louder? | Oct 20 22:30 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst no, it's just that most of the track of devoid of speech | Oct 20 22:33 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I just see supporting a company that takes pills that cost $2 a bottle to make and sell them for $200 a bottle as unethical if you have any choice in the matter | Oct 20 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | unethical on the part of the person buying the meds, cause the company pushing a 1000% markup is just being a company | Oct 20 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Depends on their margins | Oct 20 22:34 |
| schestowitz | IMHO | Oct 20 22:34 |
| schestowitz | and only my opinion... | Oct 20 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Certain parts of industry should be nationalised | Oct 20 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Like r&d over drugs | Oct 20 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Their defense is that they need the outrageous pricing to compensate them for R&D | Oct 20 22:34 |
| schestowitz | It's unethical to get monopolies (for PROFIT! As in maximisation thereof) on saving life | Oct 20 22:34 |
| schestowitz | You let shareholder in Connecticut decide who lives and lies | Oct 20 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't take 100 million people on your patented meds for 17 years to turn a profit | Oct 20 22:35 |
| schestowitz | !google novartis | Oct 20 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | or to recoup R&D expenses | Oct 20 22:35 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Novartis, an innovative healthcare products company with ... | http://www.novartis.com/ | Oct 20 22:35 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Careers | http://www.novartis.com/careers/index.shtml | Oct 20 22:35 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Novartis Pharmaceuticals Corporation | http://www.pharma.us.novartis.com/ | Oct 20 22:35 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Novartis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novartis | Oct 20 22:35 |
| schestowitz | !google youtube novartis protest | Oct 20 22:35 |
| phIRCe | [1] - YouTube - Novartis, Stop It (AIDS Patent) | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DqSpTdO4FBZI | Oct 20 22:35 |
| phIRCe | [2] - YouTube - Novartis HQ smashed & painted during HLS march in Barcelona | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DK3lTq9jhtME | Oct 20 22:35 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Silobreaker: Animal Rights Activists Take Anti-Novartis Protest... | http://www.silobreaker.com/animal-rights-activists-take-antinovartis-protest-too-far-5_2262520978108055552 | Oct 20 22:35 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Protest Drug Companies Sanofi Aventis, Novartis, Bristol-Myers ... | http://groups.google.com/group/ar-news/browse_thread/thread/26961afc62ec2bbd | Oct 20 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | Aventis also sets up plasma donation centers in poor areas of towns | Oct 20 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | the donors tend to be college students and alcoholics | Oct 20 22:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Thanks, a special "RMS" version comes in mind ;-) This is only a prerelease (sort of Alpha release). Updated the article | Oct 20 22:37 | |
| DaemonFC | I did that for a while because I wasn't making any real money at Walmart in 2004 and had to do something to eat and such | Oct 20 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | the first year I was at Wal-Mart, I was making $7 an hour | Oct 20 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | and the government still took taxes from me on that | Oct 20 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Wal-mart's bad | Oct 20 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | they have to take taxes out of the people that make $7 an hour, ruin them more | Oct 20 22:38 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar had me watch this video the other day | Oct 20 22:38 |
| schestowitz | !google story of stuff | Oct 20 22:38 |
| phIRCe | [1] - The Story of Stuff with Annie Leonard | http://www.storyofstuff.com/ | Oct 20 22:38 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Story of Stuff | http://www.storyofstuff.com/blog/ | Oct 20 22:38 |
| phIRCe | [3] - YouTube - Story of Stuff, Full Version; How Things Work, About Stuff | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DgLBE5QAYXp8 | Oct 20 22:38 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Take the 'The Story of Stuff' Quiz - Glenn Beck - FOXNews.com | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,555065,00.html | Oct 20 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | that way they can feed all the career welfare moms with 40 kids | Oct 20 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think they should cover peoples kids | Oct 20 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | I think they should offer free sterilization | Oct 20 22:39 |
| schestowitz | They could fund abortions | Oct 20 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Or yeah... steralisation | Oct 20 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | I can't choose to have neurological disorders and psychiatric conditions | Oct 20 22:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] LOL I'll be searching some more RMS videos. Then convert them to audio samples etc. Who said Free Software can't be used for serious work? | Oct 20 22:40 | |
| schestowitz | As in, if you're seen as a "baby machine", that's enough then. | Oct 20 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | I can choose to reproduce or not | Oct 20 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Unless you prove you can afford to raise them | Oct 20 22:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Ah yeah, Raylopez666 :-p | Oct 20 22:41 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: There's literally dozens of contraceptive methods | Oct 20 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | getting pregnant is always optional | Oct 20 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | and abortion in those cases of optional pregnancy is murder for convenience | Oct 20 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | I mean it doesn't take a damned rocket scientist to figure out that copulation results in pregnancy | Oct 20 22:42 |
| schestowitz | That's what humans do | Oct 20 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | yet you see these people act as if pregnancy was like a lightning strike | Oct 20 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Their DNA replicates this way | Oct 20 22:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst for contrast, maybe weave in some irrational McBrideballmer | Oct 20 22:43 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst FS can't be used for work... only REAL work like LHC | Oct 20 22:43 | |
| schestowitz | It's an uthical riddle | Oct 20 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | like you can't ever tell when or where it will happen | Oct 20 22:43 |
| schestowitz | *ethical | Oct 20 22:43 |
| schestowitz | China has quotas for birth | Oct 20 22:43 |
| schestowitz | in Japan the love llife stagnates | Oct 20 22:43 |
| schestowitz | So they are preoccupied with careers and sutff | Oct 20 22:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/10/20/wordpress-lets-bloggers-help-make-the-mobile-web-better | Oct 20 22:46 |
| phIRCe | Title: WordPress Lets Bloggers Help Make the Mobile Web Better | WebProNews .::. Size~: 31.3 KB | Oct 20 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | Crestor patents don't expire til 2016 | Oct 20 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Egh....... | Oct 20 22:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Huh, What the hell are you saying LIAR. You will be schooled! :-) | Oct 20 22:48 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst http://ping.fm/yqwtu | Oct 20 22:49 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz cool, interesting. I had the idea you wrote about the HLC of COLA. | Oct 20 22:51 | |
| DaemonFC | the pharmacist told me to take it an hour or two before bed for better results | Oct 20 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | cause the liver makes more cholesterol at night | Oct 20 22:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] In respond to the usual troll nonsence. | Oct 20 22:52 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I may stay on Crestor after I'm on Medicare next May cause I looked at what my mom's neighbor had to pay for her insulin | Oct 20 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | it was $206 and with Medicare she paid $6 | Oct 20 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | it just depends on a number of things including side effects, how well it does work, how much my co-pay is | Oct 20 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | if it's gonna cost a fortune and I think I can get the same results from a generic, I'll ask the doctor for that | Oct 20 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | hopefully some kind of health reform law gets passed before then | Oct 20 22:54 |
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| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYnSKoPlzW4 | Oct 20 22:59 |
| phIRCe | Title: YouTube - Ron Paul "If You Believe In the Constitution You Follow It!" .::. Size~: 146.54 KB | Oct 20 22:59 |
| fewa | Alot of truthful things Paul is saying there | Oct 20 23:00 |
| fewa | speaking for non-interventionism | Oct 20 23:03 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, a 'reform' | Oct 20 23:03 |
| schestowitz | Like the patent one/s | Oct 20 23:03 |
| fewa | massive corporate welfare | Oct 20 23:04 |
| schestowitz | If you think a reform will benefit the people without a popular struggle, fuh-get about it | Oct 20 23:04 |
| fewa | but paul does have many failings | Oct 20 23:04 |
| schestowitz | The proposed patent reform was just to eliminate troll | Oct 20 23:04 |
| schestowitz | So as to make the bigger thugs like IBM immune to suits | Oct 20 23:04 |
| fewa | schestowitz, they are all trolls | Oct 20 23:04 |
| fewa | they just dont want little guts doing it | Oct 20 23:04 |
| fewa | its the classic pirate aphorism | Oct 20 23:05 |
| *schestowitz bokmarks yesterday's goodman show | Oct 20 23:05 | |
| fewa | you are a pirate if you are weak | Oct 20 23:05 |
| schestowitz | fewa: yes | Oct 20 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Big ship vs small boat with 'pirates' | Oct 20 23:05 |
| schestowitz | "Terrorist" as the little guy versus the big | Oct 20 23:06 |
| schestowitz | But never the massive one crushing the little guy/gal | Oct 20 23:06 |
| fewa | yep "war on terrorism" | Oct 20 23:06 |
| schestowitz | We need that | Oct 20 23:06 |
| schestowitz | War on terrorism | Oct 20 23:06 |
| fewa | one of those absolutely absurd statements | Oct 20 23:06 |
| schestowitz | To stop Kissinger and his fellow war criminals in South America for example | Oct 20 23:07 |
| schestowitz | I'm all in favour of a war or terrorism. It can be friendly war too | Oct 20 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Trial and imprisonment | Oct 20 23:07 |
| fewa | where "terrorism" is what our puppets do, _after_ they are of no use to us | Oct 20 23:07 |
| fewa | or what they did when the US backed them | Oct 20 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Noriega? | Oct 20 23:08 |
| fewa | Saddam for example | Oct 20 23:08 |
| fewa | who only stayed in power because of the US sanctions | Oct 20 23:08 |
| fewa | and who was instated in a vicious coup | Oct 20 23:09 |
| fewa | with US backing | Oct 20 23:09 |
| schestowitz | fewa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1M3gx0IxVA | Oct 20 23:10 |
| phIRCe | Title: YouTube - Chalmers Johnson Oil, Blowback, and War .::. Size~: 129.37 KB | Oct 20 23:10 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, that's the one where they show Rumsfled and Saddam | Oct 20 23:10 |
| schestowitz | I like his theses a lot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgnKZ5UgYS0 | Oct 20 23:10 |
| phIRCe | Title: YouTube - The Sorrows of Empire - Chalmers Johnson .::. Size~: 130.49 KB | Oct 20 23:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/20/wiseman_dr_no_obit/ | Oct 20 23:13 |
| phIRCe | Title: Bond's Dr. No dies at 91 • The Register .::. Size~: 21.57 KB | Oct 20 23:13 |
| fewa | No shit | Oct 20 23:18 |
| fewa | super important strategic holding | Oct 20 23:18 |
| fewa | thats why its so differn't from vietnam | Oct 20 23:18 |
| fewa | the US will never leave | Oct 20 23:18 |
| fewa | unless driven out | Oct 20 23:18 |
| fewa | Britain was driven out | Oct 20 23:18 |
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| schestowitz | fewa: in ref to what? | Oct 20 23:23 |
| fewa | It has so much oil | Oct 20 23:23 |
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| schestowitz | I should show you videos where Chalmers speaks about the numbers of bases in Iraq and the swimming pools and stuff | Oct 20 23:23 |
| fewa | if you hold it you can prevent others from getting that oil | Oct 20 23:23 |
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| schestowitz | It's not as though they'll hand over the keys, say goodbye, and say "enjoy the luxury cinema and pools" | Oct 20 23:23 |
| schestowitz | fewa: yes, 2nd largest old resources | Oct 20 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Saudi Arabia is #1 afaik | Oct 20 23:24 |
| fewa | why its nothing like vietnam | Oct 20 23:24 |
| fewa | vietnam ended largely due to having the mission completed | Oct 20 23:24 |
| fewa | and the country destroyed | Oct 20 23:24 |
| schestowitz | That's why the Bush family was also so close to the Bin Laden family and others of affluent bg in SA | Oct 20 23:25 |
| schestowitz | People are not told the fact | Oct 20 23:25 |
| fewa | never a strategic holding | Oct 20 23:25 |
| schestowitz | And it makes them "bad citizens" for speaking about them | Oct 20 23:25 |
| fewa | Carlye group | Oct 20 23:25 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Oct 20 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Connected to SCO too | Oct 20 23:25 |
| schestowitz | And Microsoft in a way | Oct 20 23:25 |
| fewa | Bush and Bin Laden top holders | Oct 20 23:25 |
| schestowitz | viaNorris | Oct 20 23:25 |
| schestowitz | I guess with Darl out, he and Norris can focus more on that lawsuit... fraud suit vs them | Oct 20 23:26 |
| fewa | Its a Republic, madam, if you can keep it. | Oct 20 23:26 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/18/pakistan-offensive-taliban '60 militants dead' as Pakistan pushes into Taliban stronghold | Oct 20 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Moujahadin residue? | Oct 20 23:30 |
| schestowitz | It is too late to shut the door on GM foods http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/oct/16/too-late-to-stop-gm | Oct 20 23:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] We have come to depend on #intellectualmonopolies in stuff we eat http://ping.fm/VVQqd (It is too late to shut the door on GM foods) | Oct 20 23:32 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.couragecampaign.org/page/s/StopTheAbuse | Oct 20 23:33 |
| phIRCe | Title: Courage Campaign | Sign our letter to Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid .::. Size~: 12.17 KB | Oct 20 23:33 |
| schestowitz | "Sign our letter demanding they pass strong health care reform -- with a strong public option" | Oct 20 23:33 |
| MinceR | http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/10/16/189243/Sneaky-Microsoft-Add-On-Put-Firefox-Users-At-Risk?from=rss | Oct 20 23:35 |
| phIRCe | Title: Slashdot IT Story | Sneaky Microsoft Add-On Put Firefox Users At Risk .::. Size~: 171.14 KB | Oct 20 23:35 |
| MinceR | can't beat the competition? alter his product after installation! | Oct 20 23:35 |
| tessier | fewa: I agree about Vietnam. | Oct 20 23:37 |
| fewa | They destroyed the country | Oct 20 23:37 |
| tessier | The US left Vietnam. The Vietnamese then proceeded to destroy their own co untry. | Oct 20 23:37 |
| fewa | and also Laos and Cambodia | Oct 20 23:38 |
| tessier | Not much we could have done about that. | Oct 20 23:38 |
| tessier | Yep. | Oct 20 23:38 |
| tessier | Sun Microsystems said it will cut 3,000 jobs over the next year, citing delays in its pending acquisition by Oracle, according to a regulatory filing released on Tuesday. - http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/20/technology/sun_job_cuts/index.htm?postversion=2009102017 | Oct 20 23:38 |
| phIRCe | Title: Sun Microsystems to cut 3,000 jobs - Oct. 20, 2009 .::. Size~: 64.04 KB | Oct 20 23:38 |
| tessier | Sun is getting f'd in the a | Oct 20 23:38 |
| fewa | I just read from Chomsky that the declassified stuff on cambodia--_after_ the US annoubced that it stopped bombing cambodia is kept bombing | Oct 20 23:38 |
| tessier | Not sure how I feel about that. They weren't FOSS but they weren't half bad either. | Oct 20 23:38 |
| fewa | and it bombed it extensively | Oct 20 23:38 |
| fewa | so much so that cambodia is the most bombed country in the world | Oct 20 23:38 |
| tessier | fewa: More bombed than Vietnam? | Oct 20 23:39 |
| fewa | yes | Oct 20 23:39 |
| tessier | fewa: The cold war was a mess. Nobody came out of it with clean hands. | Oct 20 23:39 |
| tessier | About once a week on average for the last 35 years someone in Vietnam has stumbled across unexploded ordinance. | Oct 20 23:39 |
| fewa | the "cold war" was a propaganda term | Oct 20 23:39 |
| tessier | I'm surprised we don't hear more about it from Cambodia. | Oct 20 23:39 |
| fewa | the fight was against any semblence of stable nationalism | Oct 20 23:39 |
| tessier | fewa: It seems apt to me. | Oct 20 23:39 |
| fewa | outside of the united states | Oct 20 23:39 |
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| fewa | that was the "virus" | Oct 20 23:40 |
| tessier | nah...we were perfectly fine with Nationalism in Israel, UK, most of Europe etc. | Oct 20 23:41 |
| tessier | Communism was the problem. | Oct 20 23:41 |
| tessier | That much of it was as described. | Oct 20 23:41 |
| fewa | and "communists" was code word for actual national control | Oct 20 23:41 |
| fewa | tessier, Israel isn't nationalism, its US backed agression | Oct 20 23:41 |
| fewa | thats just what it is dressed up into | Oct 20 23:42 |
| tessier | Communism isn't a code word. Having been shaken down by communists myself personally I assure you it is quite real. And quite corrupt. | Oct 20 23:42 |
| tessier | And I'm glad it was stopped. | Oct 20 23:42 |
| MinceR | 003656 <@tessier> Not sure how I feel about that. They weren't FOSS but they weren't half bad either. | Oct 20 23:42 |
| MinceR | i'd argue they were at least one quarter bad. :. | Oct 20 23:42 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 20 23:42 |
| tessier | MinceR: They engineered some good stuff. Yes, a quarter bad I can easily believe. :) | Oct 20 23:42 |
| fewa | because Israel was the only country that participated with the US's military aims against Arab secularism | Oct 20 23:42 |
| tessier | fewa: er....Arab secularism doesn' exist anywhere except Turkey as far as I can see. | Oct 20 23:43 |
| MinceR | they were hostile to linux in the futile hope that slowlaris may prosper | Oct 20 23:43 |
| fewa | It did in the 50s 60s | Oct 20 23:43 |
| tessier | MinceR: Indeed. How wrong they were. But it was really Intel that cooked their goose. | Oct 20 23:43 |
| fewa | it ran Iraq b/f Saddam | Oct 20 23:43 |
| tessier | fewa: Have you seen "The Road to 9/11"? Very good. I think you would like it. | Oct 20 23:43 |
| tessier | All about WWI and the Caliphate and how the way the world was divided up after the Ottoman empire lost their lands to the west led to where we are now etc. | Oct 20 23:44 |
| fewa | Bush was al Quieda's biggest ally | Oct 20 23:45 |
| tessier | I wish more people (especially Americans) would watch it. It gives a good perspective on why some people are so messed up over religion etc. | Oct 20 23:45 |
| fewa | destruction begets religious fanaticism | Oct 20 23:45 |
| tessier | Exactly | Oct 20 23:45 |
| fewa | the US backs the crazy Saudi Arabia society | Oct 20 23:46 |
| tessier | I should upload that DVD. I have it. It needs to be shared. | Oct 20 23:46 |
| tessier | Yep. | Oct 20 23:46 |
| schestowitz | +1 | Oct 20 23:46 |
| tessier | But the average person isn't going to do without their car. | Oct 20 23:46 |
| fewa | Iran is the most democratic nation, that is why it is at our cross-hairs | Oct 20 23:46 |
| tessier | er....no. | Oct 20 23:46 |
| tessier | Iran is far from democratic. | Oct 20 23:46 |
| fewa | in the middle east | Oct 20 23:46 |
| fewa | need a qualifier | Oct 20 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Far far AFIAK | Oct 20 23:46 |
| tessier | That's a pretty low bar. :) | Oct 20 23:46 |
| schestowitz | *AFAIK | Oct 20 23:46 |
| fewa | yeah but its still better | Oct 20 23:46 |
| tessier | Still far from being worthy of praise. | Oct 20 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Scandinavian countries do well | Oct 20 23:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Busy week so far. Not been much time to do anything. I will be working until Sunday so Im going to be shattered... | Oct 20 23:47 | |
| tessier | When I have to stop running tor, freenet, and http proxies so the people of Iran can communicate with the outside world I'll consider them improved. | Oct 20 23:47 |
| fewa | schestowitz, agreed scandinavia is great | Oct 20 23:47 |
| tessier | I'm pretty sure the people of Iran didn't vote in favor of mass censorship and fraudulent elections. | Oct 20 23:47 |
| schestowitz | UAE also censors a lot | Oct 20 23:47 |
| schestowitz | SO being filthy rich is not recipe for freedom | Oct 20 23:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Couple of observations, after watching only 2 episodes of Flash Forward on TV I think ive solved the mystery already. | Oct 20 23:48 | |
| fewa | Bush and Cheny and the bunch got MIT to train Iranian nuclear engineers | Oct 20 23:48 |
| fewa | until the revolution | Oct 20 23:48 |
| fewa | to get them access to nuclear energy | Oct 20 23:48 |
| schestowitz | What for? | Oct 20 23:48 |
| fewa | energy | Oct 20 23:49 |
| fewa | Iran _imports_ oil right now | Oct 20 23:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] and also I've come to the realization that UK TV has precious little entertainment on it. | Oct 20 23:49 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] KDE article due soon + an unrelated look at BASH. | Oct 20 23:49 | |
| schestowitz | I heard that India/Pakistan nukes are intended to keep the area in quiet war | Oct 20 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Not from a good source though | Oct 20 23:49 |
| fewa | pakistan in unstable | Oct 20 23:50 |
| fewa | and has nukes | Oct 20 23:50 |
| fewa | what the US is doing in eastern Afghanistan, could destabilize Pakistan | Oct 20 23:50 |
| fewa | Taliban | Oct 20 23:51 |
| fewa | http://www.democracynow.org/2009/10/2/rethink_afghanistan_filmmaker_robert_greenwald_launches | Oct 20 23:52 |
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| *schestowitz bookmarks | Oct 20 23:53 | |
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