| fewa | http://www.democracynow.org/2009/8/25/the_safe_haven_myth_harvard_prof | Oct 21 00:01 |
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| fewa | growing Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan | Oct 21 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | Innova~1. http://www.australia.to/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=15231:next-generation-artillery-system-for-the-australian-army&catid=72:australian-news&Itemid=200 | Oct 21 00:09 |
| schestowitz | fewa: Paul is OK | Oct 21 00:14 |
| schestowitz | He's just being daemonised a lot | Oct 21 00:14 |
| schestowitz | He does have his flaws, but these are accentuated in boradcast | Oct 21 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Like the debaates | Oct 21 00:14 |
| fewa | paul who? | Oct 21 00:15 |
| fewa | ahh yeah Ron Paul | Oct 21 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Where they tell him, "many 9/11 truthers [not in these words] support you, what do you say about it?" | Oct 21 00:15 |
| schestowitz | So they leave him either to dennoucne some fans or be seen as a reflection of people he has nothing to do with | Oct 21 00:15 |
| fewa | yes, he is good because he shows the hypocrisy of the Republicans | Oct 21 00:15 |
| schestowitz | He's a consitututionalist | Oct 21 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Not perfect,. but better than cronies with over $2bn in investment for PR (that's Obama) | Oct 21 00:16 |
| fewa | and supports reigning in on fraud, such as the Audit the Fed campaign | Oct 21 00:16 |
| schestowitz | And to be "loyal to the country" blindly is not loyalty | Oct 21 00:16 |
| schestowitz | It's being a phony | Oct 21 00:16 |
| fewa | and I think he is amazing cause he is staunchly against interventionism | Oct 21 00:16 |
| schestowitz | To be loyal is to say that loyalty needs to be be earned and justified | Oct 21 00:16 |
| fewa | this country _really_ needs that | Oct 21 00:16 |
| fewa | very American in facy | Oct 21 00:17 |
| schestowitz | To be loyal is to ensure a country that betrays is put on the rails again | Oct 21 00:17 |
| schestowitz | i.e. loyal to its cause//roots | Oct 21 00:17 |
| fewa | only person that voted against the condemnation of Iran | Oct 21 00:17 |
| schestowitz | stallman.org front page has something to that effect (see the flag) | Oct 21 00:17 |
| fewa | http://blogs.chron.com/txpotomac/2009/06/ron_paul_casts_only_vote_again.html | Oct 21 00:17 |
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| schestowitz | Making more enemies | Oct 21 00:18 |
| schestowitz | Increasing the threat of terror | Oct 21 00:18 |
| fewa | It really would be something if the US could see something like Paul/Kucinich or something | Oct 21 00:20 |
| fewa | could really pull down the false dichotomy | Oct 21 00:20 |
| schestowitz | Or Nader+Gonzales | Oct 21 00:20 |
| schestowitz | RMS goes with Nader | Oct 21 00:20 |
| fewa | Gonzales brought instant runoff voting to SF | Oct 21 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Kucinich is probably the most difficult to slam among the bunch | Oct 21 00:21 |
| fewa | which is great reform | Oct 21 00:21 |
| fewa | and almost won mayor of SF | Oct 21 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Oh. | Oct 21 00:21 |
| schestowitz | !google therealnews nader | Oct 21 00:21 |
| phIRCe | [1] - The Real News Network - Ralph Nader speaks on an Obama presidency | http://therealnews.com/id/2717/November%25205,%25202008/Ralph%2BNader%2Bspeaks%2Bon%2Ban%2BObama%2Bpresidency | Oct 21 00:21 |
| phIRCe | [2] - The Real News Network - Zinn: Vote for Obama but direct action needed | http://therealnews.com/t/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26task%3Dview%26id%3D31%26Itemid%3D74%26jumival%3D2606 | Oct 21 00:21 |
| phIRCe | [3] - TheRealNews: Zinn on the movement and new parties - Democratic ... | http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php%3Faz%3Dview_all%26address%3D385x295827 | Oct 21 00:21 |
| phIRCe | [4] - YouTube - Ralph Nader speaks on an Obama presidency pt2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DU5gaI-C0MfM | Oct 21 00:21 |
| fewa | in a close race where all the Dem big shots like Gore and Clinton came and campaigned for the sleezebag | Oct 21 00:21 |
| fewa | instead of Gonzales who brought in some real reform | Oct 21 00:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.daniweb.com/news/story231478.html | Oct 21 00:22 |
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| schestowitz | Real choice | Oct 21 00:23 |
| schestowitz | But actually, this is interesting | Oct 21 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Political parties can be like distros | Oct 21 00:23 |
| schestowitz | They share similar cores | Oct 21 00:23 |
| fewa | Debian? | Oct 21 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Like.. | Oct 21 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Both camps supporting war | Oct 21 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Or the big ones do | Oct 21 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Like blobs | Oct 21 00:23 |
| schestowitz | And the you have many minor players | Oct 21 00:23 |
| fewa | both camps voting for the PATRIOT act | Oct 21 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Who must also share common bits and pieces | Oct 21 00:23 |
| fewa | voting against the constitution | Oct 21 00:23 |
| schestowitz | But it's different in many ways | Oct 21 00:24 |
| fewa | thats why there can be a coalition | Oct 21 00:24 |
| schestowitz | No company bets on several distros at the same time | Oct 21 00:24 |
| schestowitz | And there are derivatives | Oct 21 00:24 |
| fewa | of the Congressional Progressive Congress and Ron Paul | Oct 21 00:24 |
| schestowitz | That's the CHOICE question BTW | Oct 21 00:24 |
| schestowitz | To make a comparison | Oct 21 00:24 |
| schestowitz | How much choice is there REALLY in Linux? | Oct 21 00:24 |
| fewa | look at Arlen Spector | Oct 21 00:24 |
| schestowitz | sfce/kde/gnome | Oct 21 00:24 |
| schestowitz | *xf | Oct 21 00:25 |
| fewa | one of the old time Republican's | Oct 21 00:25 |
| fewa | created campaign finance reform the SCOTUS shredded | Oct 21 00:25 |
| fewa | the campaign finance mess in the US that destroys the political process | Oct 21 00:25 |
| schestowitz | Why is it always /PACKAGE/ Deal? | Oct 21 00:25 |
| schestowitz | Here in the UK we have referendums sometimes | Oct 21 00:25 |
| schestowitz | In the US I hardly think the public is ever asked | Oct 21 00:26 |
| fewa | schestowitz, cause the federal government has no direct democracy | Oct 21 00:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] http://bit.ly/pwGwG Flash really does suck sometimes. Most annoying bug in Ubuntu. | Oct 21 00:26 | |
| schestowitz | Imagine what if.. | Oct 21 00:26 |
| fewa | lots of states have direct democracy | Oct 21 00:26 |
| fewa | but it doesn't exist federally | Oct 21 00:26 |
| schestowitz | What if trhe PUBLIC was asked about healthcare? | Oct 21 00:26 |
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| fewa | schestowitz, yes that would be a great reform | Oct 21 00:26 |
| schestowitz | It's the top issue in the majority of voters' minds | Oct 21 00:26 |
| fewa | federal direct democracy | Oct 21 00:26 |
| schestowitz | BTW... | Oct 21 00:26 |
| schestowitz | In case you wonder why I bother with US politics... | Oct 21 00:26 |
| fewa | thats a real states in teh US are much more sane, much more representative | Oct 21 00:26 |
| schestowitz | It's by far the most impactful country | Oct 21 00:26 |
| schestowitz | So it can help/harm the most, internationally | Oct 21 00:27 |
| fewa | http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Direct_democracy | Oct 21 00:27 |
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| schestowitz | WHite House+back room weild a lot of power in the world | Oct 21 00:27 |
| fewa | http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Forms_of_direct_democracy_in_the_American_states | Oct 21 00:27 |
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| schestowitz | CHina starts to as well | Oct 21 00:27 |
| schestowitz | Like China fighting with US over Africa | Oct 21 00:27 |
| schestowitz | US owns the middle east with its ally Israel | Oct 21 00:27 |
| fewa | China will win in long run | Oct 21 00:27 |
| fewa | but that is not good for people | Oct 21 00:27 |
| schestowitz | And Eurupe resists, with the UK still in there (London) | Oct 21 00:27 |
| fewa | the world needs local nationalism | Oct 21 00:28 |
| fewa | self determination | Oct 21 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Australia is a colony still to the English -speaking suprpowers | Oct 21 00:28 |
| fewa | and UK-US ties are strong | Oct 21 00:28 |
| fewa | look at Blair | Oct 21 00:28 |
| fewa | the Anglo world is very tied together | Oct 21 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Yes, Baliar | Oct 21 00:28 |
| fewa | US UK India Australia | Oct 21 00:28 |
| schestowitz | I used to have respect for Bliar | Oct 21 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Until after the whole WMoD fiasco came to shore | Oct 21 00:29 |
| fewa | schestowitz, lol making fun of lying | Oct 21 00:29 |
| fewa | shows how healthy politics is in the UK over the US | Oct 21 00:29 |
| schestowitz | It's sad | Oct 21 00:29 |
| schestowitz | here it's seen as dissidence | Oct 21 00:30 |
| fewa | like the Clinton affairs | Oct 21 00:30 |
| schestowitz | There can be a book about it | Oct 21 00:30 |
| fewa | the lying was just theatre | Oct 21 00:30 |
| fewa | hardly anything serious | Oct 21 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Titled something like "if yout disagree witht he adults, you commit treason" | Oct 21 00:30 |
| fewa | and Clinton didn't even technically lie | Oct 21 00:30 |
| schestowitz | But that's democracy really | Oct 21 00:30 |
| schestowitz | It's being undermined | Oct 21 00:31 |
| fewa | that "The Trap" film was great | Oct 21 00:31 |
| fewa | Those in the US can get to such an epiphany | Oct 21 00:31 |
| fewa | too much money to be made | Oct 21 00:31 |
| schestowitz | brb tea | Oct 21 00:31 |
| fewa | green black? | Oct 21 00:32 |
| schestowitz | No, earl grey+milk | Oct 21 00:32 |
| schestowitz | You watched The Trap? | Oct 21 00:33 |
| schestowitz | Did I recommend it to you? | Oct 21 00:33 |
| fewa | yeah when you first posted it for someone else | Oct 21 00:33 |
| schestowitz | It's part of like 5 parts (1 hour each) | Oct 21 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | I got it from a mate fromt he gym | Oct 21 00:33 |
| fewa | the US elite psyche is just so far from that | Oct 21 00:33 |
| schestowitz | fewa: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=65AFFE1C2FA91850&search_query=bbc+bernays | Oct 21 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | They show make it part of a school's curriculum such stuff | Oct 21 00:37 |
| fewa | Freud's idea are largely dead | Oct 21 00:38 |
| fewa | but prhaps they have been assimilated | Oct 21 00:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/user/schestowitz | Oct 21 00:38 |
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| schestowitz | " | Oct 21 00:38 |
| schestowitz | Videos Watched: | Oct 21 00:38 |
| schestowitz | 21,928 | Oct 21 00:38 |
| schestowitz | fewa: no, bernays' | Oct 21 00:39 |
| schestowitz | Very much alive | Oct 21 00:39 |
| schestowitz | After that dinosaur dies at 100 and something | Oct 21 00:39 |
| schestowitz | His propaganda model is very much alive | Oct 21 00:39 |
| schestowitz | Watch the program | Oct 21 00:39 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Recycle, recycle, pass it on :-) http://ping.fm/KLnIT ( Slowing Introductions of New Electronic Products Reduces E-Waste) | Oct 21 00:42 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/19/kellner-ubuntu-linux-powers-up/ | Oct 21 00:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/10/eeebuntu-switching-to-debian-no-longer.html | Oct 21 00:43 |
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| schestowitz | http://lwn.net/Articles/357651/ | Oct 21 00:53 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Where's Waldo? How come no women in kernel summit? http://ping.fm/ySuA3 | Oct 21 00:54 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[d235j] RT @briansolis Twitter is not a social network, it's an information network - @ev #web2summit09 | Oct 21 00:54 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #LInux 9.10 hype pachine: http://ping.fm/KL6DC | Oct 21 00:57 | |
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| schestowitz | http://sanaris.livejournal.com/15836.html | Oct 21 01:04 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] We're one step closer to putting Bush in prison http://ur1.ca/e290 | Oct 21 01:09 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Oracle fires 3000 #Sun staff http://ur1.ca/e296 | Oct 21 01:09 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Memories of my first experience with Ubuntu... 5 years ago today. http://ping.fm/GzkgE | Oct 21 01:16 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Perhaps my geek credentials are lacking because I only recognise two people in this picture of Linux hackers http://bit.ly/3LZfAQ ? | Oct 21 01:17 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.stephenfry.com/2009/10/09/kingdom-come-kingdom-gone/ "Our masters at ITV have decided that there shan’t be a fourth series of the television drama Kingdom. " | Oct 21 01:18 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] If you make less worthless crap, less of it ends up chucked in a huge junkpile of worthless crap. WHO NEWS?? http://is.gd/4t3aq | Oct 21 01:21 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] If you make less worthless crap, less worthless crap ends up chucked in a huge junkpile of worthless crap. WHO KNEW?? http://is.gd/4t3aq | Oct 21 01:22 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7dbkvsCELU | Oct 21 01:23 |
| schestowitz | Bad news..... http://danesecooper.blogs.com/divablog/2009/10/start-the-revolution-without-me.html | Oct 21 01:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @galoppini The League for Programming Freedom is back! http://ProgFree.org #softwarepatents (via @transparantezkn) | Oct 21 01:29 | |
| fewa | http://notnews.today.com/2009/10/13/carter-ruck-successfully-preserves-trafiguras-online-reputation/ | Oct 21 01:32 |
| schestowitz | "Bloggers around the world were unanimous in their praise for Trafigura’s fine public spirit and Carter-Ruck’s fancy footwork, with enough admirers on Twitter to make “#Trafigura” and “#CarterFuck” the top two trending terms for much of Tuesday." | Oct 21 01:34 |
| schestowitz | "“It’s been hard work,” said a source we were injuncted from naming, “but the public repute of my client, who cannot be named, is absolutely protected from these allegations that do not exist, or may as well not exist. British defamation laws remain unequalled in the First World.”" | Oct 21 01:34 |
| schestowitz | One comment links to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBxQpft5F_k | Oct 21 01:35 |
| fewa | where the events going on? | Oct 21 01:38 |
| fewa | not suprised that bigotry will reemerge | Oct 21 01:39 |
| fewa | the first step is "political correctness" | Oct 21 01:40 |
| fewa | you can see it in the way the media responded to Grayson calling the 44,000 who die in the US every year due to lack of insurance as a halocaust. | Oct 21 01:40 |
| fewa | he said "this halocaust" | Oct 21 01:41 |
| fewa | but the propaganda machine immediately tries to say he compared with the German extermination | Oct 21 01:41 |
| schestowitz | "Holocaust" became somewhat of a scared word | Oct 21 01:41 |
| fewa | the extermination that only gained attention in the 70s | Oct 21 01:41 |
| schestowitz | If used outside the context of WW2 in reference to one race, then it's seen as blasphemous | Oct 21 01:41 |
| fewa | long after anything could be done about it | Oct 21 01:42 |
| schestowitz | There's actually a massacre like this in Congo right now | Oct 21 01:42 |
| fewa | the allies knew it was happening | Oct 21 01:42 |
| fewa | and didn't do anything | Oct 21 01:42 |
| fewa | the catholic church as well | Oct 21 01:42 |
| fewa | noone cared in the 50s or 60s | Oct 21 01:42 |
| schestowitz | THe apology part from Grayson was interesting | Oct 21 01:42 |
| schestowitz | You showed 2 videos where he remarks on it or makes a semi-hearted one | Oct 21 01:42 |
| fewa | it was just a propaganda way of creating the psudo-nationalist-state of US-backed israel | Oct 21 01:42 |
| schestowitz | "I apologise for saying t[ruth|a]boo" | Oct 21 01:43 |
| fewa | those that control the present control the future | Oct 21 01:43 |
| schestowitz | fewa: yes, they had satellite pictures to show convoys | Oct 21 01:43 |
| schestowitz | But only later it became a priority | Oct 21 01:43 |
| schestowitz | The war had a lot of impact on many front | Oct 21 01:44 |
| schestowitz | The Russian were so terrified by the losses (before Stalinism) that they didn't want another war or arms race | Oct 21 01:44 |
| schestowitz | That's as I understand it | Oct 21 01:44 |
| fewa | those that are oh so sensitive about the halocaust are imprisoning palistians | Oct 21 01:44 |
| schestowitz | Chlmers IIRC | Oct 21 01:44 |
| fewa | in gaza, west bank | Oct 21 01:44 |
| fewa | building walls in their territory to annez valuable resources | Oct 21 01:45 |
| schestowitz | Many don't endorse it | Oct 21 01:45 |
| schestowitz | But I think it has been the case for over 30 yrs | Oct 21 01:45 |
| schestowitz | Sad really | Oct 21 01:45 |
| schestowitz | "The threat of peace," they call it sarcastically | Oct 21 01:45 |
| fewa | I was amazed Truman said that he would support Hitler or Stalin, whichever was weaker | Oct 21 01:45 |
| schestowitz | [the opposition] | Oct 21 01:45 |
| schestowitz | Well.. | Oct 21 01:46 |
| fewa | they thought Germany would come out on top | Oct 21 01:46 |
| schestowitz | THe Nazis got a lot of US support | Oct 21 01:46 |
| schestowitz | IBM.. | Oct 21 01:46 |
| schestowitz | Bush dynasty | Oct 21 01:46 |
| fewa | the massive investments in nazi firms | Oct 21 01:46 |
| fewa | by US companies | Oct 21 01:46 |
| schestowitz | Goebbels had meetings with US ministers | Oct 21 01:46 |
| fewa | All forgoten | Oct 21 01:47 |
| schestowitz | He also adopted the methods of US PR ("propaganda at the time") | Oct 21 01:47 |
| schestowitz | Quote openly so | Oct 21 01:47 |
| schestowitz | *Quite | Oct 21 01:47 |
| schestowitz | But it's not the story told | Oct 21 01:47 |
| schestowitz | Same about Chamberlain and Hitler | Oct 21 01:47 |
| schestowitz | And the Germans' excuse of expansion as "security" | Oct 21 01:47 |
| schestowitz | Sounds familiar as a pretext | Oct 21 01:48 |
| fewa | Churchill had an idea of rearming the germans and whiping the russians off the face of the globe | Oct 21 01:48 |
| schestowitz | Socialists as the Reichstag threat | Oct 21 01:48 |
| fewa | lebensraum | Oct 21 01:48 |
| schestowitz | See the book from Naomi Wolf | Oct 21 01:48 |
| schestowitz | She does an analysis of 10 points that serve as warnings | Oct 21 01:48 |
| fewa | Hilter almost got the nobel peace prize | Oct 21 01:48 |
| fewa | and the war could have easily been stopped | Oct 21 01:49 |
| fewa | just too much money in it | Oct 21 01:49 |
| schestowitz | fewa: yes, I know | Oct 21 01:49 |
| schestowitz | Weird | Oct 21 01:49 |
| schestowitz | I read another thing about WW1 | Oct 21 01:49 |
| schestowitz | About the funding to both sides | Oct 21 01:49 |
| schestowitz | From the likes of the Rothschilds | Oct 21 01:49 |
| schestowitz | But I _don't_ trust the source | Oct 21 01:49 |
| schestowitz | So I discard it | Oct 21 01:49 |
| fewa | WW1 s confusing | Oct 21 01:50 |
| fewa | whats the real reason | Oct 21 01:50 |
| fewa | ? | Oct 21 01:50 |
| fewa | cause that Ferdinand is obviously an excuse | Oct 21 01:50 |
| fewa | I read it was mid east oil and Ottoman empire | Oct 21 01:50 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I never got it | Oct 21 01:53 |
| schestowitz | I heard about the reasons for WW2 | Oct 21 01:53 |
| schestowitz | We learned that at school | Oct 21 01:54 |
| fewa | military packs | Oct 21 01:54 |
| fewa | and large cross-empire investments | Oct 21 01:54 |
| schestowitz | But I never came across a clear explanation for Austro-Hungarian onslaught | Oct 21 01:54 |
| fewa | thats what I see | Oct 21 01:54 |
| schestowitz | Now we all have nukes | Oct 21 01:54 |
| fewa | ie NATO | Oct 21 01:54 |
| fewa | NATO is the exact type of thing that led to WW2 | Oct 21 01:54 |
| schestowitz | Like a thousand Hiroshimas is one bomb | Oct 21 01:54 |
| schestowitz | Or several WW2's worth of Blockbusters | Oct 21 01:55 |
| fewa | and despite promises given by Bush I it was expanded by Clinton into eastern europe | Oct 21 01:55 |
| fewa | as a direct threat against Russia | Oct 21 01:55 |
| schestowitz | I fear nuclear winter in my lifetime | Oct 21 01:55 |
| schestowitz | It's very highly likely to at least become a threat | Oct 21 01:55 |
| fewa | Thats what Chomsky sees as the bigest threat | Oct 21 01:55 |
| fewa | as much bigger than Climate change | Oct 21 01:55 |
| fewa | as it would happen so fast | Oct 21 01:55 |
| fewa | a day | Oct 21 01:56 |
| schestowitz | The Most Dangerous Moment In History http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc0eUtBAWyA | Oct 21 01:56 |
| fewa | militarization of space | Oct 21 01:56 |
| schestowitz | It almost happened | Oct 21 01:56 |
| fewa | which Bush II created, made inevitable | Oct 21 01:56 |
| schestowitz | Bush? | Oct 21 01:56 |
| schestowitz | Defense system? | Oct 21 01:56 |
| fewa | vetoed UN calls for a ban on space weaponization | Oct 21 01:57 |
| fewa | which China supported | Oct 21 01:57 |
| schestowitz | Ha | Oct 21 01:57 |
| schestowitz | They also support other stuff | Oct 21 01:57 |
| fewa | now China how deployed anti-satellite satellites | Oct 21 01:57 |
| schestowitz | IIRC emission reduction | Oct 21 01:57 |
| schestowitz | I recently read that they are a step ahead of the pack when it comes to reforms | Oct 21 01:57 |
| schestowitz | THe USSR was also the first to propose disarmament | Oct 21 01:58 |
| fewa | yes, they learned from the US on how to do a research-based society | Oct 21 01:58 |
| schestowitz | It took scientists to have the US govt made it reciprocal | Oct 21 01:58 |
| schestowitz | *make | Oct 21 01:58 |
| fewa | while the US's own research is being dragged down by big Corps | Oct 21 01:58 |
| fewa | denial of basic facts | Oct 21 01:58 |
| schestowitz | ftacs | Oct 21 01:58 |
| fewa | and Bush II cut tons of research | Oct 21 01:58 |
| fewa | which has been the basis of US economy | Oct 21 01:59 |
| fewa | for 50 years | Oct 21 01:59 |
| schestowitz | Not necessarily, says Neal the astrophysics guy.. | Oct 21 01:59 |
| schestowitz | Just stem cells research and some other areas like environment | Oct 21 01:59 |
| fewa | privitized it | Oct 21 01:59 |
| schestowitz | He said it increased since Clinton era | Oct 21 01:59 |
| fewa | which doesn't work | Oct 21 01:59 |
| fewa | Clinton put tones into hybrid cars | Oct 21 02:00 |
| schestowitz | Gorr | Oct 21 02:00 |
| fewa | and then Japan reacted and did it | Oct 21 02:00 |
| schestowitz | Gore | Oct 21 02:00 |
| fewa | halarious | Oct 21 02:00 |
| schestowitz | How about sactions vs the US? | Oct 21 02:00 |
| fewa | we had better hybrids but short term profit motives kept GM or Ford from doing it | Oct 21 02:00 |
| schestowitz | They always do it to others | Oct 21 02:00 |
| fewa | soft wood lumber? | Oct 21 02:00 |
| schestowitz | Do some embargo or strangulations to have them comply with global causes | Oct 21 02:00 |
| fewa | Cuba | Oct 21 02:00 |
| schestowitz | Granted, that would have the US overthrow some leaders | Oct 21 02:01 |
| schestowitz | Coup/daemonisation, a la Chavez | Oct 21 02:01 |
| fewa | Cuba is just bitterness | Oct 21 02:01 |
| schestowitz | Cuba is a model | Oct 21 02:01 |
| fewa | totally against business interest, and popular opinion | Oct 21 02:01 |
| schestowitz | Revolution of independence | Oct 21 02:01 |
| fewa | Max Baucus: “Senator Max Baucus…said the new plan amounted to a misuse of taxpayer money. ‘at a time when the United States faces very real terrorist threats in the Middle East and elsewhere, the administration's absurd and increasingly bizarre obsession with Cuba is more than just a shame, it's a dangerous diversion from reality.’ | Oct 21 02:01 |
| schestowitz | If they are made to succeed, it'll "spread like cancer," thinking along Ballmer's mind | Oct 21 02:01 |
| fewa | thats what is destroying the country | Oct 21 02:02 |
| fewa | undermining even the most powerful | Oct 21 02:02 |
| fewa | letting China's ambivilancy overtake it | Oct 21 02:02 |
| schestowitz | RMS was asked about Cuba | Oct 21 02:02 |
| schestowitz | Bait question | Oct 21 02:02 |
| fewa | shouldn't respond | Oct 21 02:02 |
| schestowitz | But IIRC, it turns out that 2/3 of US populace is against Cuba embargo | Oct 21 02:02 |
| fewa | Yes | Oct 21 02:02 |
| schestowitz | It's long expired | Oct 21 02:02 |
| schestowitz | No rationale anymore | Oct 21 02:03 |
| fewa | Chomsky talks about that alot | Oct 21 02:03 |
| schestowitz | No country other than the US does it | Oct 21 02:03 |
| fewa | its just stubborness | Oct 21 02:03 |
| schestowitz | Yet few ask _why_ | Oct 21 02:03 |
| fewa | the US also refused help over katrina | Oct 21 02:03 |
| schestowitz | Sure... | Oct 21 02:03 |
| fewa | Cuba offered a whole contigent of high-trained doctors specilized in hurricanes | Oct 21 02:03 |
| schestowitz | Bush might say it's an act from "God" | Oct 21 02:03 |
| fewa | schestowitz, to Bush and his peoples it was | Oct 21 02:03 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he'll join those priests and blame homosexuals in Alabama | Oct 21 02:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | Katrina was on purpose | Oct 21 02:04 |
| fewa | it got rid of the poor | Oct 21 02:04 |
| fewa | let them destroy the poor areas | Oct 21 02:04 |
| fewa | privitize the schools | Oct 21 02:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | if I didnt know better, I'd say Bush had a weather machine and made it happen | Oct 21 02:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | because he hates the black race | Oct 21 02:04 |
| schestowitz | Yes, the school | Oct 21 02:04 |
| fewa | replace it all with condos | Oct 21 02:04 |
| schestowitz | Schooling system | Oct 21 02:04 |
| fewa | and forget about those deplaced | Oct 21 02:04 |
| fewa | and then elect the most despicable Republican | Oct 21 02:04 |
| schestowitz | Noami Klein wrote about this in Shock Doctrine | Oct 21 02:04 |
| schestowitz | They actually said that | Oct 21 02:04 |
| schestowitz | That they would capitalise on the disaster | Oct 21 02:05 |
| fewa | I dont know how they pulled that part | Oct 21 02:05 |
| fewa | the Lousiana Republican Rep is just despicable | Oct 21 02:05 |
| fewa | like 9/11 | Oct 21 02:05 |
| schestowitz | Very different though | Oct 21 02:05 |
| schestowitz | Parables hardly work | Oct 21 02:05 |
| fewa | imediately go to work, doing things that actually increase the chance of it happening again | Oct 21 02:05 |
| schestowitz | Other than the opportunism part | Oct 21 02:05 |
| schestowitz | Taking plans off the shelf | Oct 21 02:06 |
| fewa | but saying, over and over again, that will make people safe | Oct 21 02:06 |
| schestowitz | Construction projects or profitable wars | Oct 21 02:06 |
| fewa | pressing the panic button over and over | Oct 21 02:06 |
| schestowitz | [02:05] <fewa> imediately go to work, doing things that actually increase the chance of it happening again | Oct 21 02:06 |
| schestowitz | The same could be said re 9/11 | Oct 21 02:06 |
| schestowitz | They increase the level of terrorist threat seven-fold | Oct 21 02:06 |
| fewa | yeahs what I was saying it about | Oct 21 02:06 |
| schestowitz | [by invading Iraq that is] | Oct 21 02:07 |
| fewa | 9/11 was planned in Florida and Germany | Oct 21 02:07 |
| schestowitz | So perceived enemy becomes real enemt | Oct 21 02:07 |
| fewa | yet we go to Afghanistan and create a resurgance of the Taliban | Oct 21 02:07 |
| schestowitz | Scapegoat becomes a real bitter one | Oct 21 02:07 |
| fewa | destabilize Pakistan ,, which has nuclear weapons | Oct 21 02:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post - Same Old Microsoft http://tinyurl.com/yll79aj | Oct 21 02:16 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Already Fills the Needs #Vista7 Needn't http://jasonmcreynolds.com/?p=106 | Oct 21 02:16 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Forecast of #Linux Development http://bit.ly/4thgvO #kernel | Oct 21 02:18 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Everybody Loves #PuppyLinux 4.3 http://bit.ly/4rzQ2j | Oct 21 02:19 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Soaring (While Microsoft Keeps Falling) http://ur1.ca/e2dp http://ur1.ca/e2dr http://ur1.ca/e2dt | Oct 21 02:21 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora 12 Reaches Beta http://bit.ly/Q2plJ #redhat | Oct 21 02:21 | |
| fewa | In the special case of Mexico, a Latin America Strategy Development Workshop at the Pentagon in 1990 found that US-Mexico relations were "extraordinarily positive," untroubled by stolen elections, state violence, torture, scandalous treatment of workers and peasants, and other minor details. Participants in the Workshop did, however, see one cloud on the horizon: the threat of "a `democracy opening' in Mexico," which, they feared, might bring "into | Oct 21 02:23 |
| fewa | office a government more interested in challenging the U.S. on economic and nationalist grounds." The cure that was recommended was a US-Mexican treaty that would "lock Mexico in" to the neoliberal reforms of the 1980s, and would "tie the hands of the current and future governments" of Mexico with regard to economic policy. In brief, NAFTA, duly imposed by executive power, in opposition to the public will. | Oct 21 02:23 |
| schestowitz | Public will? | Oct 21 02:26 |
| schestowitz | The public doesn't even know about it | Oct 21 02:26 |
| fewa | Many do | Oct 21 02:26 |
| fewa | those that lost their jobs | Oct 21 02:26 |
| schestowitz | It was maybe covered in the side of some newspaper at the time | Oct 21 02:27 |
| fewa | for example | Oct 21 02:27 |
| schestowitz | fewa: well, now they do | Oct 21 02:27 |
| fewa | Daemon knows about it | Oct 21 02:27 |
| schestowitz | A long time later | Oct 21 02:27 |
| schestowitz | That's now of much help | Oct 21 02:27 |
| fewa | they were opposed even when it went through | Oct 21 02:27 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC is a clever guy, not average USian | Oct 21 02:27 |
| fewa | even without much coverage | Oct 21 02:27 |
| fewa | cause it was so important | Oct 21 02:27 |
| schestowitz | Same in India | Oct 21 02:27 |
| schestowitz | With farmers | Oct 21 02:27 |
| schestowitz | Pass at gunpoint almost | Oct 21 02:28 |
| fewa | Patent imperialism | Oct 21 02:28 |
| schestowitz | ASAP | Oct 21 02:28 |
| schestowitz | ACTA will be similar | Oct 21 02:28 |
| schestowitz | Proposal, disclosure, the next day approve | Oct 21 02:28 |
| schestowitz | Like bailout... | Oct 21 02:28 |
| schestowitz | Like Federal Reserve 'act' | Oct 21 02:28 |
| schestowitz | Yes, patents means "I control this area" | Oct 21 02:28 |
| schestowitz | SImple | Oct 21 02:28 |
| fewa | Sarbased-Oxley, which was repealed | Oct 21 02:28 |
| schestowitz | Any farmer can understand that | Oct 21 02:29 |
| fewa | the new deal acts were good | Oct 21 02:29 |
| schestowitz | ITC and WTO means: | Oct 21 02:29 |
| fewa | they created a very stable state-corporate syste, | Oct 21 02:29 |
| schestowitz | We punish you until you accept the terms of "this other country" | Oct 21 02:29 |
| fewa | but now that is collapsing | Oct 21 02:29 |
| schestowitz | International banks can help with this agenda too, withdrawal of funds-wise | Oct 21 02:29 |
| schestowitz | I try to incite people in places like Africa and India against patents | Oct 21 02:30 |
| fewa | it could be suicide | Oct 21 02:30 |
| fewa | and also: it will empower the multinationals | Oct 21 02:30 |
| schestowitz | So they they reject the propaganda that markets patents | Oct 21 02:30 |
| fewa | terribly | Oct 21 02:30 |
| fewa | much more important would be state control over trade | Oct 21 02:30 |
| schestowitz | Then you can have people rise in anger and kick the coloialists | Oct 21 02:30 |
| fewa | a strong defiance to corporate personhood | Oct 21 02:30 |
| fewa | otherwise one hand will only be replaced with a far more iron tyranny | Oct 21 02:31 |
| schestowitz | Red carpet appointment | Oct 21 02:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #System76 Gets More #GNU #Linux Offerings http://bit.ly/1aoDZw | Oct 21 02:33 | |
| fewa | and "Asian capitalism" will rule | Oct 21 02:33 |
| fewa | a decentralized tyranny of corporations | Oct 21 02:33 |
| schestowitz | Asian? | Oct 21 02:33 |
| fewa | this is what the Republican party is talking about in health care | Oct 21 02:34 |
| fewa | exemblarized in singapore, hong kong, | Oct 21 02:34 |
| fewa | and now increasingly in CHine | Oct 21 02:34 |
| fewa | *China | Oct 21 02:34 |
| fewa | It barrows heavily from WW2-era US | Oct 21 02:34 |
| fewa | but without the democracy | Oct 21 02:34 |
| fewa | or at least with reduced democratic institutions | Oct 21 02:35 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Turns 5 http://ur1.ca/e2ey http://ur1.ca/e2f1 http://ur1.ca/e2f3 | Oct 21 02:36 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How #Canonical Turns #GNU #Linux on the Desktop to Profit (Services) http://ur1.ca/e2f6 http://ur1.ca/e2f7 | Oct 21 02:36 | |
| fewa | the Republican party wants health care insurance to be purchacable across state lines | Oct 21 02:36 |
| fewa | not only will this not lower costs | Oct 21 02:36 |
| fewa | but it would 1. reduce state power to reform the system for its citizens | Oct 21 02:36 |
| fewa | and 2. create a situation for increasing corporate welfare in the form of tax incentives, etc | Oct 21 02:37 |
| fewa | thats what the corporate world want | Oct 21 02:37 |
| fewa | maximum capital freedom with minimized legal and labor freedom | Oct 21 02:37 |
| fewa | the highly militarized US-Mexico border | Oct 21 02:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IBM Chooses #GNU #Linux to Advance on Desktops in the West http://ur1.ca/e2fa http://ur1.ca/e1ha | Oct 21 02:38 | |
| fewa | which marginilizes the trade of labor, while trade of goods is maximized | Oct 21 02:39 |
| fewa | creating a tiered system the corps can exploit | Oct 21 02:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Linux -powered #Ereader Has Dual Displays http://bit.ly/1avUrf | Oct 21 02:40 | |
| schestowitz | gn | Oct 21 02:41 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Fold up #LEGO temple http://ur1.ca/e2fm | Oct 21 02:44 | |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijEED_iviTA | Oct 21 02:52 |
| fewa | esp at 5:30 | Oct 21 02:55 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://medicationsense.com/articles/july_sept_04/crestor_truth.html | Oct 21 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | "A favorite tactic of drug companies is to provide free samples. Drug companies know that once you are started on a medication, you won't want to switch. So sales reps shower doctors with samples, and doctors think they are doing you a favor by giving you a free sample when starting a medication. But they aren't doing you a favor at all." | Oct 21 03:25 |
| fewa | statin-wise you just go back to the generics | Oct 21 03:28 |
| fewa | all the new ones are identical except for being patentable | Oct 21 03:28 |
| fewa | the newest are the most risky and untested | Oct 21 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, This is what they'll give me for free | Oct 21 03:29 |
| fewa | the healthist statins are the old generic ones | Oct 21 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | I'll stay on it unless I get bad side effects or until May | Oct 21 03:29 |
| fewa | new drugs are a risk | Oct 21 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, any drug is a risk | Oct 21 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | Crestor has been out for 6 years now | Oct 21 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | I'd probably refuse it if it was brand new or something | Oct 21 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | Baycol was withdrawn pretty damned quickly | Oct 21 03:30 |
| fewa | look at Vioxx | Oct 21 03:31 |
| fewa | medicine should use much more herb | Oct 21 03:32 |
| fewa | *herbs and rools | Oct 21 03:32 |
| fewa | but there is no money in it | Oct 21 03:32 |
| fewa | no patents | Oct 21 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | and they don't work | Oct 21 03:32 |
| fewa | for certain things they do | Oct 21 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | and plenty of quacks sell them and make tons of cash anyway | Oct 21 03:32 |
| fewa | yes there is alot of quackery | Oct 21 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | shows you how stupid people can be | Oct 21 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | herbs and vitamins are no magic bullet or cure all | Oct 21 03:32 |
| fewa | and yes people do take snake oil | Oct 21 03:32 |
| fewa | "herbs and vitamins" | Oct 21 03:33 |
| fewa | yes that is the stupids | Oct 21 03:33 |
| fewa | but there are useful things | Oct 21 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | they obviously have some benefits, but there's no proof that megadoses do anything to "prevent cancer" for example | Oct 21 03:33 |
| fewa | nonono | Oct 21 03:33 |
| fewa | megadoses | Oct 21 03:33 |
| fewa | thats the crap | Oct 21 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | vitamin C is ineffective at preventing colds | Oct 21 03:33 |
| fewa | vitamin C people use wayt roo much | Oct 21 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | but the old wives tale keeps it flying off shelves during the cold and flu season | Oct 21 03:33 |
| fewa | well, its based on basic immune system stuff | Oct 21 03:34 |
| fewa | vitamin C is essential: thing is that every has enough | Oct 21 03:34 |
| fewa | its not old wives tale however | Oct 21 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | St. Johns Wort was proven ineffective to treat depression | Oct 21 03:34 |
| fewa | totally usless | Oct 21 03:34 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Element 114 confirmed http://ur1.ca/e2iv #science | Oct 21 03:34 | |
| fewa | its based on the western bullshit of more is better | Oct 21 03:34 |
| fewa | that is wrong | Oct 21 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | whenever the stuff is given a scientific clinical trial, it utterly and totally fails | Oct 21 03:34 |
| fewa | but there are useful roots and herbs | Oct 21 03:34 |
| fewa | and they make alot of money | Oct 21 03:35 |
| fewa | tobacco | Oct 21 03:35 |
| fewa | :P | Oct 21 03:35 |
| fewa | but used wrong | Oct 21 03:35 |
| fewa | based on industrial bullshit of more=better | Oct 21 03:35 |
| fewa | B12 | Oct 21 03:35 |
| fewa | thats a really good vitamin people lack | Oct 21 03:36 |
| fewa | cyanobalmin | Oct 21 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | B12 does help with epilepsy | Oct 21 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | I've had more than one neurologist recommend it | Oct 21 03:36 |
| fewa | you have to inject it into the muscle | Oct 21 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | niacin is sometimes prescribed to treat cholesterol | Oct 21 03:36 |
| fewa | cause the digestive system eats it up | Oct 21 03:36 |
| fewa | niacin is in eggs | Oct 21 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | sublingual B12 is what they said to use | Oct 21 03:36 |
| fewa | no need to take straight | Oct 21 03:37 |
| fewa | the B12 injects into the bicep, you notice the difference | Oct 21 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | Liptior patent runs out in 2011 | Oct 21 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | *Lipitor | Oct 21 03:38 |
| fewa | really all statins are patented? | Oct 21 03:38 |
| fewa | soluable fiber | Oct 21 03:39 |
| fewa | such as in oatmeal | Oct 21 03:39 |
| fewa | or other oat products, like cheerios | Oct 21 03:39 |
| fewa | lowers cholesterol | Oct 21 03:39 |
| fewa | and they bribed the FDA to prosecute general mills | Oct 21 03:39 |
| fewa | cause they didn't want competition for cholesterol-lowering products | Oct 21 03:40 |
| fewa | thats the problem with western medicine | Oct 21 03:40 |
| fewa | its largely about creating a need | Oct 21 03:40 |
| fewa | and they destroying competitors | Oct 21 03:40 |
| fewa | patents do that | Oct 21 03:40 |
| fewa | rather people take drugs that have not been around 20 years, instead of just eating cheerios | Oct 21 03:41 |
| fewa | the health insurance companies are heavily invested in tobacco | Oct 21 03:41 |
| fewa | there was a big study about it | Oct 21 03:41 |
| fewa | Dont get sick, and if you get sick...die quickly! | Oct 21 03:42 |
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| DaemonFC | fewa, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAMhr9ExvuQ | Oct 21 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | is that Patrick Stewart narrating? | Oct 21 03:43 |
| fewa | lifestyle drugs | Oct 21 03:44 |
| fewa | marketed directly to people | Oct 21 03:44 |
| fewa | selling you your death wish | Oct 21 03:44 |
| fewa | advertising: the calculated attempt to make consumers helpless | Oct 21 03:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes it is | Oct 21 03:44 |
| fewa | and to confuse them | Oct 21 03:44 |
| fewa | why its so ironic fre markets' | Oct 21 03:45 |
| fewa | ie the freedom to decieve | Oct 21 03:45 |
| fewa | "extensible diversity, that conceives an actual uniformity" | Oct 21 03:48 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7FGtYVQMFc | Oct 21 03:49 |
| DaemonFC | Deceptive Drug Ads | Oct 21 03:50 |
| fewa | from the system | Oct 21 03:53 |
| fewa | time.com | Oct 21 03:53 |
| fewa | Stockholm Syndrome | Oct 21 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, I'll probably ask for Lovastatin once I'm on Medicare and can go back to my normal doctor | Oct 21 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | until then, I get Crestor for free so I'm not going to argue too much | Oct 21 03:56 |
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| fewa | schestowitz, RE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sstDwKTCpM http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090914/hayes | Oct 21 03:56 |
| DaemonFC | this one had me under the impression that they could prescribe that for me | Oct 21 03:56 |
| fewa | why do you need a statin? | Oct 21 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | I don't really want to argue and piss off the only place that will see me without insurance | Oct 21 03:57 |
| fewa | are you eating your oatmeal? | Oct 21 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | I hate oatmeal | Oct 21 03:57 |
| fewa | lol | Oct 21 03:57 |
| fewa | it lowers cholesterol | Oct 21 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | not the way I have to doctor it up to be able to swallow it | Oct 21 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | butter and brown sugar | Oct 21 03:58 |
| fewa | geeze | Oct 21 03:58 |
| fewa | oatmeal is great | Oct 21 03:58 |
| fewa | delicious :P | Oct 21 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | I don't eat breakfast | Oct 21 03:58 |
| fewa | in fact im gonna make me some right now | Oct 21 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, my idea of a good meal is a chicken club and a large french fries with extra salt and ketchup | Oct 21 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | wash it down with a diet coke :P | Oct 21 03:59 |
| fewa | well thats why you have a cholesterol problem | Oct 21 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | there's worse | Oct 21 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | pull up to Wendys and order the Baconator | Oct 21 04:00 |
| fewa | patching it up with statins is not smart | Oct 21 04:00 |
| fewa | you should read Fast Food Nation | Oct 21 04:00 |
| fewa | and go personally visit a factory farm | Oct 21 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, the chicken club and fries only had 31% of the cholesterol RDA | Oct 21 04:01 |
| DaemonFC | so nyaah :P | Oct 21 04:01 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, Who cares? | Oct 21 04:01 |
| DaemonFC | it's food | Oct 21 04:01 |
| fewa | hardly | Oct 21 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | you're not some kind of Petard are you? | Oct 21 04:02 |
| fewa | not at all | Oct 21 04:02 |
| fewa | ive hunted deer | Oct 21 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure people have always had cholesterol problems, it's just that when you usually die by age 30 of something else, it never becomes an issue | Oct 21 04:03 |
| fewa | yes, that is one of the human problems | Oct 21 04:03 |
| fewa | cause by leaving a strictly herbivoire diet | Oct 21 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | people live longer now and stuff like this needs patched over with statins | Oct 21 04:03 |
| fewa | to help grow out large brains | Oct 21 04:03 |
| fewa | large cats have no such problems | Oct 21 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | diet is only a small part of it | Oct 21 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of it is your genetics | Oct 21 04:04 |
| fewa | carnivoire species | Oct 21 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | 80% of the problem is genes | Oct 21 04:04 |
| fewa | nah | Oct 21 04:04 |
| fewa | diet is very important | Oct 21 04:04 |
| fewa | genetic reasons are way overhyped | Oct 21 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | you'd REALLY have to gorge yourself on grease to overtake the cholesterol your body makes | Oct 21 04:04 |
| fewa | not that you are not destined, but there are many thing inherited that are not strict genetics | Oct 21 04:04 |
| fewa | the problem is fat, not cholesterol | Oct 21 04:05 |
| fewa | and lack of movement | Oct 21 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | like I said, when people died at age 30-35, high cholesterol never ran its course | Oct 21 04:05 |
| fewa | you are right | Oct 21 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | that's also why kids go through puberty when they do | Oct 21 04:05 |
| fewa | but that is no excuse | Oct 21 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | in nature, they would be parents by 15 | Oct 21 04:05 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, nope, puberty is actually younger than it use to be | Oct 21 04:05 |
| fewa | due to hormones in eggs and meat | Oct 21 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | your body is still mapping out its lifecycle like you're probably going to die before 40 anyway | Oct 21 04:06 |
| fewa | puberty age is down 2-3 years | Oct 21 04:08 |
| fewa | from ~15 to 12 | Oct 21 04:08 |
| fewa | in girls | Oct 21 04:08 |
| fewa | due to hormones in eggs and milk | Oct 21 04:08 |
| fewa | and age of marriage is up | Oct 21 04:09 |
| fewa | from ~18/19 to 25 | Oct 21 04:09 |
| fewa | to live longer you just have to go back to being an herbivoire | Oct 21 04:11 |
| fewa | and you will live to 100 | Oct 21 04:11 |
| fewa | (as long as you dont get malignant cancer) | Oct 21 04:11 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] DRM could be set to auto delete in say 3 weeks, which is effectively a loan. It may expose the fact that ALL DRM is really a loan though. | Oct 21 04:29 | |
| DaemonFC | I don't think anyone who has the slightest idea of what DRM is or does likes it | Oct 21 04:32 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 21 04:32 |
| DaemonFC | well, no customer at least | Oct 21 04:32 |
| mutx | I kni | Oct 21 04:36 |
| mutx | I know what it is and does, but ive never seen it in effect, so I dont care about it in the least. | Oct 21 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33402109/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets/ | Oct 21 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | Yahoo lap dancers make wrong moves | Oct 21 04:49 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Possible cure for cancer http://ur1.ca/e2nm #science | Oct 21 04:49 | |
| tessier | Better nutrition and higher calories being available also bring on earlier puberty. It is in nature's interest that we spend as many years capable of reproduction as possible. I'm not convinced on the whole milk hormone thing decreasing the age of puberty but it seems plausible. | Oct 21 04:53 |
| mutx | yay, im all for natures interests, :) | Oct 21 04:58 |
| mutx | 34DeG C here, nice :) | Oct 21 04:59 |
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| mutx | just watching a doco on athens and democrocy, the president/prime minister is selected at random from the general population, and you are elected for 1 month. No career politicians from the people, by the people, for the people. | Oct 21 05:17 |
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| fewa | tessier, yeah that sounds reasonable too | Oct 21 06:16 |
| fewa | but also, with good food, maybe there is a reason to increase the length of childhood to grow the mind | Oct 21 06:16 |
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| Will_ | schestowitz: http://www.kabatology.com/10/20/solang-and-gnote-make-it-into-ubuntu-9-10-repository/ | Oct 21 06:47 |
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| fewa | schestowitz, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4258131083758254736# | Oct 21 07:08 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Apple produces more stupid crap no one wants http://ur1.ca/e1ev | Oct 21 07:19 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC NEWS | Business | UK bank bonuses 'to rise by 50%' http://tinyurl.com/ykz4ezd | Oct 21 07:49 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Cost of cyber crime reaches £390m - Step 1 to fix - Install Linux http://tinyurl.com/yz7ht3d | Oct 21 07:51 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Register's more detailed review of #Fedora 12 Beta at http://tinyurl.com/yfww5gj (via: @rahulsundaram) | Oct 21 07:54 | |
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| tessier | mutx: Selected at random from the general population? Sounds dangerous these days. | Oct 21 08:12 |
| tessier | mutx: Did they have slaves then? I know they did in Rome. Did the average person even know how to read/write then? | Oct 21 08:12 |
| tessier | Literacy rates were quite low until the last few hundred years. | Oct 21 08:12 |
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| fewa | meh literacy wasn't neccicarily that important | Oct 21 08:25 |
| fewa | it was a small city-state | Oct 21 08:25 |
| fewa | long distance communication was all by messenger | Oct 21 08:26 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MarkPilgrim Loves Sharing His Stuff http://bit.ly/4z00wv | Oct 21 09:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Not All #FreeSoftware Migrations Are Equal http://ur1.ca/e324 | Oct 21 09:03 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FogComputing No Match for #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/e32c | Oct 21 09:08 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenOffice .org 3.2 Sneak Peek http://bit.ly/zdSFx | Oct 21 09:08 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Hmm. Just had a complaint mail that BBC Breakfast was not impartial when talking about OS releases. Because they mentioned Ubuntu! | Oct 21 09:09 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RichardStallman Protects #MySQL from #Oracle http://ur1.ca/e32o http://keionline.org/ec-mysql http://ur1.ca/e32v http://ur1.ca/e32w | Oct 21 09:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Updegrove Urges US #Government to Wake up to Free(dom) Software http://ur1.ca/e32y http://ur1.ca/e32z | Oct 21 09:21 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ISPs Come Out Against #IntellectualMonopolists Who Want Net Control http://ur1.ca/e331 http://ur1.ca/dvpp | Oct 21 09:22 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] http://bit.ly/4Fw9Zp 'Windows 7 Pros & Cons' Doesn't metion two major Cons. Cost, and inability to upgrade many previous versions! | Oct 21 09:28 | |
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| mutx | Tessoer. yes 1 in 3 were slaves, and women did not have a vote, and only if you were born in Athens, and your mother AND father were also born in Athens. Then you could vote. (about 10% of the population). | Oct 21 09:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just discovered my pvr was recording BBC1. Rewound and watched BBC breakfast. Oh dear @ruskin147 | Oct 21 09:48 | |
| schestowitz | fewa: also see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyR-P8aap2Q&NR=1 | Oct 21 09:51 |
| fewa | except he rails agaist tort | Oct 21 09:54 |
| fewa | thats a false crises created to destroy the funding base of the Democratic party | Oct 21 09:55 |
| fewa | trial lawyers | Oct 21 09:55 |
| fewa | but he does say it in a open way | Oct 21 09:56 |
| fewa | http://www.aliciapatterson.org/APF2102/Mencimer/Mencimer.html | Oct 21 09:56 |
| *schestowitz catches up with the above videos | Oct 21 09:57 | |
| fewa | tort lawsuit filings nationally actually have decreased 9 percent since 1992 | Oct 21 09:57 |
| fewa | In Texas, where the population jumped 23 percent between 1990 and 2000, the rate of tort filings fell from 233 to 164 per 100,000 residents, a 30 percent decline. | Oct 21 09:57 |
| fewa | The median punitive damage award was only $27,000. | Oct 21 09:57 |
| fewa | Since 2002, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, through its Institute for Legal Reform, has spent more than $60 million lobbying for lawsuit restrictions. | Oct 21 09:57 |
| fewa | trying to put corporations above the law | Oct 21 09:57 |
| fewa | but this idea that tort is a threat is a myth | Oct 21 09:58 |
| fewa | and the insurance companies profit tremendously from this myth | Oct 21 09:58 |
| fewa | overcharging for malpractice insurance | Oct 21 09:58 |
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| fewa | he also calls for state line "competition" | Oct 21 09:59 |
| fewa | that just begs for corporate welface | Oct 21 09:59 |
| fewa | like how all US corps are incorporated in delaware | Oct 21 09:59 |
| fewa | or UK corps in Isle of Man | Oct 21 09:59 |
| fewa | Carnegie institute and AMA study is interesting | Oct 21 10:01 |
| fewa | and Ron Paul is a doctor | Oct 21 10:02 |
| fewa | "esp. homopathy" | Oct 21 10:02 |
| fewa | and the drugs attacking alternatives | Oct 21 10:02 |
| fewa | thats good | Oct 21 10:02 |
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| schestowitz | Has anyone updated to WordPress 2.8.5? | Oct 21 10:17 |
| schestowitz | trmanco maybe? | Oct 21 10:17 |
| schestowitz | I want to check other experiences before upgrading/patching | Oct 21 10:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/21/michael_green_lucasian_professor/ | Oct 21 10:21 |
| schestowitz | String?! | Oct 21 10:21 |
| mutx | he makes some good Doco's as well, | Oct 21 10:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/10/20/yahoo-reports-big-profit-jump | Oct 21 10:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: Im already on 2.8.5 | Oct 21 10:23 |
| oiaohm | http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/bizarre_cathedral_55 Fun just the same. | Oct 21 10:28 |
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| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wakyz6oefrA | Oct 21 10:39 |
| oiaohm | Ok anyone else here not able to get to osnews.com | Oct 21 10:45 |
| fewa | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ | Oct 21 10:45 |
| fewa | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/osnews.com | Oct 21 10:45 |
| P|scean | not working here | Oct 21 10:46 |
| oiaohm | Thanks fewa handy site. | Oct 21 10:46 |
| ThistleWeb | seems down to me too | Oct 21 10:47 |
| schestowitz | my site is down too | Oct 21 10:48 |
| schestowitz | the whole server | Oct 21 10:48 |
| oiaohm | Who kicked power or ripped up cable. | Oct 21 10:49 |
| ThistleWeb | revenge of the cleaning lady | Oct 21 10:49 |
| schestowitz | or man | Oct 21 10:51 |
| ThistleWeb | indeed | Oct 21 10:52 |
| fewa | Its amazing how aljazeera reports US news better than US reporters | Oct 21 10:53 |
| ThistleWeb | radio 5 live about to discuss windows 7 | Oct 21 10:53 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRqcfqiXCX0 | Oct 21 10:53 |
| fewa | Misconceptions of Obama fuel Republican campaign - 13 Oct 08 | Oct 21 10:53 |
| fewa | Something the US media wouldn't touch | Oct 21 10:53 |
| ThistleWeb | OMFG Rory can't even bring himself (or is not allowed) to name the alternate products, everything is "a different OS at home" and "a different web browser to what MS Give you" | Oct 21 10:56 |
| ThistleWeb | pathetic | Oct 21 10:56 |
| schestowitz | He's a friend of theirs... well, Rory from the BBC has lunch with Microsoft | Oct 21 11:03 |
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| fewa | lol | Oct 21 11:03 |
| fewa | don't you love corruption? | Oct 21 11:03 |
| ThistleWeb | so what does he use at home? OSX? | Oct 21 11:04 |
| ThistleWeb | or maybe the L word | Oct 21 11:05 |
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| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: did you listen to it? | Oct 21 11:05 |
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| ThistleWeb | I noticed one slip which I think was accidental, about the guy running 7 on a netbook, says it's better than Vista......kinda implying "better than Vista ON a netbook" | Oct 21 11:07 |
| ThistleWeb | it was either a well practiced performance and some pre-selected well chosen words, or an accidental turn of phrase. It sounded the latter to me | Oct 21 11:08 |
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| ThistleWeb | one loyal school went all out on Vista installs, then upgraded like good lil sheep to all Windows 7 | Oct 21 11:11 |
| ThistleWeb | I wonder if their IT guy is on MS's payroll | Oct 21 11:11 |
| ThistleWeb | and how much money they could have spent on other things had they made better IT buying choices | Oct 21 11:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Anita Dunn, David Alerod, on Fox bias http://ur1.ca/e38b preludes Obama call for Fox ban http://ur1.ca/e38j @moveon .org backs #faux | Oct 21 11:13 | |
| ThistleWeb | I wonder if the BBC are under orders not to piss on Windows 7 release PR by naming competitors | Oct 21 11:14 |
| ThistleWeb | I did notice he said that although he hadn't seen many issues, that he wasn't doing much with MS software, it was almost all third party stuff | Oct 21 11:14 |
| ThistleWeb | lol "people are wary after their bad Vista experiences that they're waiting for others to test the waters before they do" | Oct 21 11:16 |
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| fewa | from BBC ThistleWeb ? | Oct 21 11:17 |
| ThistleWeb | fewa yeah, BBC Radio 5 Live | Oct 21 11:17 |
| ThistleWeb | radio station | Oct 21 11:17 |
| fewa | lol straight from MS | Oct 21 11:17 |
| ThistleWeb | they had a quick 5min talk on windows 7 | Oct 21 11:17 |
| fewa | shows they fear | Oct 21 11:17 |
| ThistleWeb | with Rory, and a few loyal MS guests | Oct 21 11:18 |
| ThistleWeb | wasnt any great depth | Oct 21 11:18 |
| ThistleWeb | the 4 min promo video on the BBC site did actually show firefox and ie on the taskbar | Oct 21 11:19 |
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| ThistleWeb | "I like firefrox on the right of IE" as he dragged and moved the icon | Oct 21 11:20 |
| ThistleWeb | subliminal? | Oct 21 11:20 |
| ThistleWeb | far right = firefox = BNP? | Oct 21 11:20 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Gartner does not follow own advice whilst attacking Free software using straw men http://ur1.ca/e38y | Oct 21 11:21 | |
| ThistleWeb | a few of the features they showed looked quite funky, but I'd imagine they'd be retlaitvely easy to replicate in compiz | Oct 21 11:24 |
| ThistleWeb | the touch screen features looked jerky and inconsistent even on MS's own software | Oct 21 11:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Transcript of BBC Breakfast report by @Ruskin147 talking up Windows 7, dismissing rivals http://bit.ly/34tMW5 | Oct 21 11:24 | |
| ThistleWeb | I doubt the BBC were demoing on a regular spec PC | Oct 21 11:24 |
| ThistleWeb | so it should flew | Oct 21 11:25 |
| ThistleWeb | the shaking of the window bar to hide everything but that window looks kinda clunky too | Oct 21 11:28 |
| ThistleWeb | seems to need a fair amount of shaking before windows picks up "oh, we're shaking huh? lemmie just do that action now" | Oct 21 11:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC Breakfast Talk Up Windows 7 Dismiss Rivals | popey.com blog http://tinyurl.com/yhrb7m3 | Oct 21 11:32 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Watch #Microsoft ’s Financial Results on Thursday, Ignore the Decoy ( #Vista7 ) http://ur1.ca/e39n | Oct 21 11:37 | |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 Reality Log < http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Vista_7_Reality_Log > | Oct 21 11:38 |
| schestowitz | [11:05] <ThistleWeb> schestowitz: did you listen to it? | Oct 21 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Oct 21 11:38 |
| schestowitz | There's lot of propaganda about that stuff in 'mainstream' sources | Oct 21 11:39 |
| schestowitz | [11:14] <ThistleWeb> I wonder if the BBC are under orders not to piss on Windows 7 release PR by naming competitors | Oct 21 11:39 |
| schestowitz | They should cover the fianncial results | Oct 21 11:39 |
| schestowitz | Remember: Vista 7 is NOT news | Oct 21 11:39 |
| schestowitz | It's just being 'officially' released that day | Oct 21 11:40 |
| schestowitz | The financial results will be REAL news | Oct 21 11:40 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah | Oct 21 11:40 |
| schestowitz | The Ballmer National Party Line (BNP) | Oct 21 11:40 |
| schestowitz | They'll just do Ballmy's propaganda that day | Oct 21 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Like they hailed Vista | Oct 21 11:41 |
| fewa | Chair at Google | Oct 21 11:41 |
| schestowitz | ANd intructed people to buy it and all | Oct 21 11:41 |
| *Diablo-D3 throws a chair at google | Oct 21 11:41 | |
| Diablo-D3 | this is so horrible, Im going to have to gwibber it | Oct 21 11:41 |
| schestowitz | They got slammed for it | Oct 21 11:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1038193/beeb-slammed-for-fawning-to-bill-gates | Oct 21 11:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 21 11:41 |
| schestowitz | BBC VIEWERS have flooded the corporation with complaints over how it covered the launch of Microsoft Vista earlier this week. | Oct 21 11:41 |
| schestowitz | In one cringingly servile interview worthy of Uriah Heep, the Beeb's news presenter Hugh Edwards even thanked Gates at the end of it, presumably in appreciation at being allowed to give the Vole vast coverage for free. | Oct 21 11:41 |
| schestowitz | In other TV news items presenters excitedly explained how Vista could be obtained and installed - details courtesy of the BBC's website. | Oct 21 11:41 |
| schestowitz | But British viewers, currently forced to pay a £131.50 licence fee to maintain the BBC's "impartiality", were less than impressed. | Oct 21 11:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 21 11:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | please wait for the bot to echo me. | Oct 21 11:41 |
| schestowitz | Shame on BBC | Oct 21 11:42 |
| schestowitz | But we all know the BBC was 'right' | Oct 21 11:42 |
| schestowitz | Vista was a smashing success :-) | Oct 21 11:42 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Google #Music #Service http://ur1.ca/e39v WAAAAAAAAAAAGH?! | Oct 21 11:44 | |
| schestowitz | Google is EVERYWHERE | Oct 21 11:45 |
| schestowitz | Delete the playlist cookie :-) | Oct 21 11:45 |
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| oiaohm | Hmm google music | Oct 21 12:04 |
| oiaohm | What is left that google does not have some interest in. | Oct 21 12:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: dating service. | Oct 21 12:04 |
| *Diablo-D3 goes back to dreaming about hot geek women | Oct 21 12:04 | |
| oiaohm | http://googling.phpmagazine.net/2006/04/google_dating_a_new_matchmakin.html Ok Apirl first joke is about as close as they get to that Diablo-D3 | Oct 21 12:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | fffffffffffffff | Oct 21 12:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats not even funny man | Oct 21 12:06 |
| oiaohm | http://www.google.com/romance/ | Oct 21 12:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Bom dia! | Oct 21 12:08 | |
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| oiaohm | Yes try again to pick something that google does not have some interest in someway. | Oct 21 12:08 |
| phIRCe | Hello World! | Oct 21 12:09 |
| oiaohm | http://www.google.com/tisp/ Ok this one is a more fun google april first Diablo-D3 | Oct 21 12:11 |
| phIRCe | Title: Welcome to Google TiSP .::. Size~: 2.8 KB | Oct 21 12:11 |
| schestowitz | Google could do cookie-matching | Oct 21 12:11 |
| trmanco | !google windows 7 release date | Oct 21 12:12 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Windows 7 home - Microsoft Windows | http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/home%3Fos%3Dnonwin7 | Oct 21 12:12 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Welcome to Windows 7 | http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/ | Oct 21 12:12 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Windows 7 Release Date | Windows 7 News | http://windows7news.com/tag/windows-7-release-date/ | Oct 21 12:12 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Windows 7 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7 | Oct 21 12:12 |
| trmanco | lol | Oct 21 12:12 |
| fewa | lol cookie matching | Oct 21 12:12 |
| trmanco | heh | Oct 21 12:13 |
| schestowitz | Cheaper than matchmaker with questionnaires | Oct 21 12:13 |
| trmanco | it's tomorrow | Oct 21 12:13 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: WOW! Wow!!! | Oct 21 12:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.google.com/romance/ | Oct 21 12:13 |
| phIRCe | Title: Google Romance .::. Size~: 10.87 KB | Oct 21 12:13 |
| *schestowitz goes smashing something | Oct 21 12:13 | |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.google.com/googlegulp/ | Oct 21 12:13 |
| phIRCe | Title: Google Gulp .::. Size~: 6.04 KB | Oct 21 12:13 |
| schestowitz | I'm SOOOOOOOOOO excited!! | Oct 21 12:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.google.com/jobs/lunar_job.html | Oct 21 12:13 |
| phIRCe | Title: Google Jobs .::. Size~: 4.16 KB | Oct 21 12:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.google.com/technology/pigeonrank.html | Oct 21 12:13 |
| phIRCe | Title: Google Technology .::. Size~: 12.23 KB | Oct 21 12:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.google.com/mentalplex/ | Oct 21 12:14 |
| phIRCe | Title: Google .::. Size~: 2.67 KB | Oct 21 12:14 |
| schestowitz | Tomorrow is a special day indeed. Another bad qtr for MSF | Oct 21 12:14 |
| schestowitz | They will leave it on the desk when the market closes | Oct 21 12:14 |
| trmanco | I and can already smell fanboys waiting at the stores to buy it tomorrow | Oct 21 12:14 |
| oiaohm | Let MS have there last. | Oct 21 12:18 |
| oiaohm | This will be the last before IBM and Ubuntu first off go after there ass. | Oct 21 12:18 |
| oiaohm | Orcale and others will most likley not be far behind. | Oct 21 12:18 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mono Programs Removed from #gNewSense http://bit.ly/46Kj77 #gnu #linux #trojan | Oct 21 12:20 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Mono Programs Removed from gNewSense | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 109.08 KB | Oct 21 12:20 |
| trmanco | http://ruicorreiabras.com/blog/2009/10/20/o-windows-7-e-a-inflacao/ | Oct 21 12:22 |
| phIRCe | Title: B de Brás » Blog Archive » O Windows 7 e a inflação .::. Size~: 21.77 KB | Oct 21 12:22 |
| fewa | http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2009/10/20091020211136354687.html | Oct 21 12:23 |
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| oiaohm | http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=11383&tag=content;col1 Not what MS would want ahead of release | Oct 21 12:34 |
| oiaohm | A major Linux migration succuess on zdnet who would every though it. | Oct 21 12:37 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Questions to Ballmer about Windows 7? - I guess "why is it so shit?" won't be chosen. http://tinyurl.com/yzeadck | Oct 21 12:50 | |
| phIRCe | Title: BBC NEWS | Have Your Say | Questions about Windows 7? .::. Size~: 46.38 KB | Oct 21 12:50 |
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| schestowitz |  | Oct 21 13:00 |
| schestowitz | [12:14] <trmanco> I and can already smell fanboys waiting at the stores to buy it tomorrow | Oct 21 13:00 |
| schestowitz | Some did | Oct 21 13:00 |
| schestowitz | They thought they were fanboys | Oct 21 13:00 |
| schestowitz | But it didn't work on their machines | Oct 21 13:00 |
| schestowitz | So they tried it on 'another machines' | Oct 21 13:00 |
| schestowitz | !google youtube how to install vista shredder | Oct 21 13:01 |
| phIRCe | [1] - YouTube - WINDOWS VISTA - INSTALL | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DgjB1XzayjtA | Oct 21 13:01 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Install Vista in 2 mins (funny) Tutorial | http://www.securitytube.net/Install-Vista-in-2-mins-(funny)-video.aspx | Oct 21 13:01 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Video: How to Install Windows Vista | http://www.tuaw.com/2007/02/05/video-how-to-install-windows-vista/ | Oct 21 13:01 |
| phIRCe | [4] - BulletProofSoft Download-Download SpyWare/Adware Remover-Download ... | http://www.bulletproofsoft.com/download.html | Oct 21 13:01 |
| schestowitz | the OOXML orgy is upset about Alex Brown getting caught by BN.. http://twitter.com/jlundstocholm/statuses/5041034049 | Oct 21 13:05 |
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| oiaohm | The issue was it was one of the messest edits in wikipedia history. | Oct 21 13:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IDG Gives #Novell a Podium, @Zonker Denouncements Come http://bit.ly/1BFHe0 | Oct 21 13:11 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Lies and Lies… and Its Press Sources Help It http://ping.fm/wZ14e | Oct 21 13:46 | |
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| oiaohm | The will now move on to australian figures schestowitz | Oct 21 13:50 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] George W. Bush, motivational speaker. http://is.gd/4u3EB o_0 | Oct 21 13:51 | |
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| wallc | Went outside to watch for meteors this morning. Beautiful, clear sky, no moon and the stars are bright, but didn't see any meteors. Too many city lights where I live. | Oct 21 13:55 |
| wallc | (good morning! :) | Oct 21 13:56 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.pcworld.com/article/174017/the_sorry_state_of_windows_7_gaming.html | Oct 21 14:03 |
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| DaemonFC | heh | Oct 21 14:03 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart is ditching most of their PC game shelf space | Oct 21 14:04 |
| DaemonFC | they've given half the PC game shelf space up for the "best seller" Wii games | Oct 21 14:04 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: maybe, yeah.. | Oct 21 14:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Role of #Windows #Security Problems in #GNU #Linux Gains http://ping.fm/jzQk4 | Oct 21 14:04 | |
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| schestowitz | Aussie figures might be better for MSFT than US | Oct 21 14:04 |
| schestowitz | UK also | Oct 21 14:04 |
| schestowitz | Very Microsoft centric there | Oct 21 14:05 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Walmart wouldn't give up half the PC game shelf space if PC games were making them lots of money | Oct 21 14:05 |
| oiaohm | Of course DaemonFC. have you not noticed over the last 12 months less PC games releases. | Oct 21 14:05 |
| DaemonFC | so it kind of tells you where "Games For Windows" is going | Oct 21 14:05 |
| schestowitz | wallc: maybe pollution? | Oct 21 14:05 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Very few good titles over the last 5 years really | Oct 21 14:06 |
| schestowitz | "Games For Windows" was a scam | Oct 21 14:06 |
| wallc | mostly bright light polution | Oct 21 14:06 |
| DaemonFC | there used to be as many good titles in a year or two as in the last five put together | Oct 21 14:06 |
| schestowitz | !google questions the promise of "Games For Windows" | Oct 21 14:06 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Games for Windows Self-Certification Site (Home Page) | http://www.microsoft.com/gfwcertification/en/us/default.aspx | Oct 21 14:06 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Games For Windows on 1UP.com | http://www.1up.com/do/pubs%3Fdid%3D4 | Oct 21 14:06 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Linux Game "System of Tomorrow" Ships in Two Weeks | http://ostatic.com/blog/linux-game-system-of-tomorrow-ships-in-two-weeks | Oct 21 14:06 |
| phIRCe | [4] - 1000 Best Games for Windows: Information from Answers.com | http://www.answers.com/topic/1000-best-games-for-windows | Oct 21 14:06 |
| DaemonFC | the bar is really coming down | Oct 21 14:06 |
| schestowitz | I think it was Valve | Oct 21 14:07 |
| schestowitz | !google valve "Games For Windows" | Oct 21 14:07 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Valve Announces $25 Million Left 4 Dead 2 Ad Campaign - Games for ... | http://forums.gamesforwindows.com/p/8062/75291.aspx | Oct 21 14:07 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Valve questions Microsoft's commitment to PC gaming // News | http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php%3Faid%3D23439 | Oct 21 14:07 |
| phIRCe | [3] - bit-tech.net | Stardock slams Games For Windows Live | http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2009/10/05/stardock-slams-games-for-windows-live/1 | Oct 21 14:07 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Games For Windows Live 3.0 quietly released [Update] | http://news.bigdownload.com/2009/08/05/games-for-windows-live-3-0-quietly-released/ | Oct 21 14:07 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, [2] | Oct 21 14:07 |
| oiaohm | I know from wine porting requests. | Oct 21 14:07 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I've never bought anything from Valve | Oct 21 14:07 |
| DaemonFC | I don't like the feeling that I paid $60 for a rented game | Oct 21 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Last 2 years less games have come up with people wanting to port. | Oct 21 14:07 |
| schestowitz | DRM.... | Oct 21 14:08 |
| schestowitz | Steamy pile of Steam | Oct 21 14:08 |
| DaemonFC | yuck | Oct 21 14:08 |
| oiaohm | Steam supprisly works quite well in wine. | Oct 21 14:08 |
| oiaohm | it does not root kit the OS. | Oct 21 14:08 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: 10 years ago games were a "fair" price with no DRM | Oct 21 14:08 |
| DaemonFC | so of course I bought them left and right | Oct 21 14:08 |
| DaemonFC | it's like they just don't get why people don't want them now | Oct 21 14:08 |
| oiaohm | But there are a lot of games out there that root kit the OS. | Oct 21 14:09 |
| oiaohm | so are incomadiblie with a huge range of software. | Oct 21 14:09 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Exactly | Oct 21 14:09 |
| DaemonFC | which is why I've stopped buying EA totally | Oct 21 14:09 |
| oiaohm | The effect of all the rootkits PC games are not as profitable. | Oct 21 14:09 |
| oiaohm | Person buys a game gets bitting thinks twice about buying another game. | Oct 21 14:10 |
| oiaohm | So end up either playing free or pirating. | Oct 21 14:10 |
| oiaohm | Basically how to crap up a perfectly good market. | Oct 21 14:10 |
| schestowitz | "I use Windows for one thing: Gaming. When I'm not gaming, my bleeding-tech-laden desktop rests quietly beneath a wooden table, powered off as opposed to hibernating or sleeping. Without Windows games, no reason for me to use Windows at all." | Oct 21 14:10 |
| schestowitz | That's the second article I see this week slamming Vista7 over gaming | Oct 21 14:11 |
| schestowitz | Not good. | Oct 21 14:11 |
| schestowitz | "Houston, we have a PR disaster!" | Oct 21 14:11 |
| oiaohm | It will only get worse. | Oct 21 14:11 |
| oiaohm | wine developers are getting fairly close to solving the itunes issue as well. | Oct 21 14:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/10/australia_man_r.html | Oct 21 14:11 |
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| oiaohm | Currently it working out how to implement it without upsetting AJ. | Oct 21 14:12 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: what about Windows developers? | Oct 21 14:12 |
| schestowitz | Remember iTunes crashes in Vista | Oct 21 14:12 |
| schestowitz | They can't manage to get the darn thing to work | Oct 21 14:12 |
| schestowitz | !google itune crash vista | Oct 21 14:12 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Apple re-releases iTunes 8 to fix Vista crash - Ars Technica | http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2008/09/apple-re-releases-itunes-8-to-fix-vista-crash.ars | Oct 21 14:12 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Fix iTunes 8 Crash Problems in Vista - iTunes - Lifehacker | http://lifehacker.com/5048972/fix-itunes-8-crash-problems-in-vista | Oct 21 14:12 |
| phIRCe | [3] - iTunes 8 from Apple crashes Vista with critical error : Product ... | http://www.product-reviews.net/2008/09/12/itunes-8-from-apple-crashes-vista-with-critical-error/ | Oct 21 14:12 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Tech-Ex: iTunes 8 Causing Windows Vista Crashes | http://technologyexpert.blogspot.com/2008/09/itunes-8-causing-windows-vista-crashes.html | Oct 21 14:12 |
| schestowitz | !google itunes bsod vista | Oct 21 14:12 |
| phIRCe | [1] - iTunes 8 Windows Vista BSoD Quietly Fixed by Apple - Itunes 8 ... | http://gizmodo.com/5049046/itunes-8-windows-vista-bsod-quietly-fixed-by-apple | Oct 21 14:12 |
| phIRCe | [2] - iTunes 8 Causing Huge Problems, BSOD for Vista Users - itunes 8 ... | http://gizmodo.com/5047721/itunes-8-causing-huge-problems-bsod-for-vista-users | Oct 21 14:12 |
| phIRCe | [3] - iTunes 8 causes Windows Vista BSOD | http://www.tuaw.com/2008/09/12/itunes-8-causes-windows-vista-bsod/ | Oct 21 14:12 |
| phIRCe | [4] - iTunes 8 takes down Vista with 'blue screen of death' | http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do%3Fcommand%3DviewArticleBasic%26articleId%3D9114468 | Oct 21 14:12 |
| oiaohm | Wine test suite explain that issue schestowitz | Oct 21 14:12 |
| oiaohm | MS broke a few function in Vista. | Oct 21 14:12 |
| oiaohm | Most of the ones itunes depend on are fixed in windows 7 | Oct 21 14:13 |
| oiaohm | Yet they broke a different stack now. | Oct 21 14:13 |
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| Omar87 | Hi all. | Oct 21 14:15 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz > Hey Roy, you gotta check this out! http://kara.allthingsd.com/20091021/update-is-microsoft-poised-to-integrate-twitter-into-bing/ | Oct 21 14:16 |
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| kecskebak | My Dad used Windows for one thing - Microsoft Flight Simulator. I'm going to install Ubuntu on his computer when I go to the UK, as he sees is no point in having Windows in his view now the team has been disbanded and the product won't be developed. | Oct 21 14:16 |
| oiaohm | kecskebak: get flightgear as well. | Oct 21 14:16 |
| kecskebak | Yes, I told him about that - he is very annoyed that he bought a machine with Vista so he could use the new version of DirectX and has had nothing but driver trouble and crashes. | Oct 21 14:17 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: what's "Bing"? | Oct 21 14:18 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, wow, man. | Oct 21 14:18 |
| schestowitz | Nobody uses that thing :-) | Oct 21 14:18 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, you don't know what Bing is? | Oct 21 14:18 |
| Omar87 | I know. | Oct 21 14:19 |
| cubezzz | Crosby? :) | Oct 21 14:19 |
| schestowitz | Just some people in the US | Oct 21 14:19 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: no | Oct 21 14:19 |
| schestowitz | he died trying | Oct 21 14:19 |
| cubezzz | I think Bing is dead | Oct 21 14:19 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bing_crosby | Oct 21 14:19 |
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| schestowitz | "Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby (May 3, 1903 – October 14, 1977) was an American popular singer and actor whose career stretched over more than half a century from 1926 until his death." | Oct 21 14:19 |
| Omar87 | But still, I twitter gets swallowed by Microsoft, this is going to be a very bad thing, imho. | Oct 21 14:19 |
| schestowitz | He didn't live to see MSFT rise | Oct 21 14:19 |
| schestowitz | They now shame his name | Oct 21 14:19 |
| kecskebak | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiny_Planets - the real Bing | Oct 21 14:20 |
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| cubezzz | well he had a good non-Microsoft life at least | Oct 21 14:20 |
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| schestowitz | At Microsoft, Bing [Crosby] is dead on arrival | Oct 21 14:20 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bong | Oct 21 14:20 |
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| schestowitz | "A bong, also commonly known as Microsoft Bing, is a smoking device, generally used to pretend it gives unbiased results.[1][2]" | Oct 21 14:21 |
| kecskebak | 'Bing: large bipedal white furry alien. Owns TARDIS-like satchel containing useful items." | Oct 21 14:21 |
| oiaohm | http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Bing The true meaning of bing | Oct 21 14:21 |
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| oiaohm | Yep a stack of scrap sounds so perfect for a name of a search engine. | Oct 21 14:22 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binge | Oct 21 14:22 |
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| schestowitz | Bing works OK only after some binge or a bong | Oct 21 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/purge | Oct 21 14:22 |
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| DaemonFC | hehe | Oct 21 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | Microsot's XBOX division has been helping to cannibalize PC game sales | Oct 21 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | less incentive to have Windows | Oct 21 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | ooops | Oct 21 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | *Microsoft's | Oct 21 14:24 |
| kecskebak | I've got a BBC Micro emulator and there are perfectly good games on that. Who needs an XBox? | Oct 21 14:24 |
| oiaohm | http://sandboxgamemaker.com/ You guys have seen this. | Oct 21 14:25 |
| oiaohm | Open source developers trying to make game development point and click. | Oct 21 14:25 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8317153.stm | Oct 21 14:26 |
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| kecskebak | Sky objected | Oct 21 14:26 |
| kecskebak | They have NuLabour in their pocket | Oct 21 14:26 |
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| kecskebak | Well, had, they've fallen out now | Oct 21 14:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.fsdaily.com/Community/Monomania | Oct 21 14:27 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.fsdaily.com/Opposition/Novell_Has_New_Products_More_Software_Patents | Oct 21 14:27 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/21/windows_7_reader_reviews/ | Oct 21 14:29 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/21/stallman_to_eu/ | Oct 21 14:35 |
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| schestowitz | wallc: do you feel like doing some Comes w/ us? | Oct 21 14:36 |
| wallc | sure! | Oct 21 14:36 |
| schestowitz | Anything you fancy? http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Comes_vs_Microsoft | Oct 21 14:37 |
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| schestowitz | There's lots of OEM stuff | Oct 21 14:37 |
| schestowitz | Like the "Hit list" | Oct 21 14:37 |
| schestowitz | I think you looked at it at one stage | Oct 21 14:37 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/OEM_hit_list | Oct 21 14:38 |
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| schestowitz | I can't get OCR off of it | Oct 21 14:39 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/OEM%27s_are_resisting | Oct 21 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. Jon Shirley. He left last year | Oct 21 14:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/21/kanye_west_scareware/ | Oct 21 14:41 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Web attacks on atheists. http://ping.fm/dVbtg Sad... | Oct 21 14:42 | |
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| schestowitz | "The argument to keep Oracle from acquiring MySQL is reminiscent of the loud calls to keep Microsoft from getting some of its software licenses approved as open source by the OSI. It also has parallels to the restriction of open source software from military and weapons uses. " http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/10/20/closing-oracle-out-of-open-source/ | Oct 21 14:45 |
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| wallc | I can do the OEM Hit List - no problem :) | Oct 21 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: It's not free software if the military can't use it | Oct 21 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | you can't defend the argument that it would still be | Oct 21 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Off they go comparing the 'British kkk' to those in FOSS who protect freedom... http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/10/21/what-about-womans-hour-free-speech-free-markets-and-the-future-of-mysql/ Pfffffffft. | Oct 21 14:46 |
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| DaemonFC | my impression of the term "free software" is that "anyone" may "use modify and share" "for any purpose" | Oct 21 14:46 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: "freedom software" | Oct 21 14:47 |
| schestowitz | Libre | Oct 21 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | if you make even one exemption as to who may use it it's no longer "freedom" | Oct 21 14:47 |
| schestowitz | Not freedom as as "freedom to kill thy neighbour" | Oct 21 14:47 |
| schestowitz | Freedom as in free will with others' considerations taken into account | Oct 21 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | well they want to call it FOSS and heavily restrict who can use it at the same time | Oct 21 14:47 |
| cubezzz | Freedom to put more DRM on | Oct 21 14:47 |
| cubezzz | you can abuse any term | Oct 21 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | someone should call it SFOSS for Selectively Free Open Source Software | Oct 21 14:47 |
| oiaohm | Orcale as not been bad to any Open source project they have taken over. | Oct 21 14:47 |
| schestowitz | That's a 'freedom' too | Oct 21 14:47 |
| oiaohm | You have to remember Orcale is in the provide solution game. | Oct 21 14:48 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about this an hour ago | Oct 21 14:48 |
| schestowitz | It's bogus freedom: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAluyt5_kic | Oct 21 14:48 |
| oiaohm | And get support contract. | Oct 21 14:48 |
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| DaemonFC | FOSS is not really free if you go down that road | Oct 21 14:48 |
| wallc | I like the Freedom to pass on the Freedom to others... | Oct 21 14:48 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: no | Oct 21 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Is it free software if I say that women and children and black people can't use it? | Oct 21 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Freedom-preserving software | Oct 21 14:48 |
| oiaohm | I really get stick of the idea that commerical and open source cannot mix. | Oct 21 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | it's not FOSS unless everyone gets it on the same "free" terms | Oct 21 14:49 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, enough with the straw-man arguments | Oct 21 14:49 |
| schestowitz | BSD is freedom to do anything you want | Oct 21 14:49 |
| cubezzz | go use BSD then | Oct 21 14:49 |
| schestowitz | At others' expense too | Oct 21 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | why not just start sticking in exceptions to everyone you hate? | Oct 21 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | they can't use your "free" software | Oct 21 14:49 |
| schestowitz | Hate? | Oct 21 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Hate who? | Oct 21 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Offenders of freedom? | Oct 21 14:50 |
| schestowitz | People who kill? | Oct 21 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | if the Neo-Nazis wanted to run their computers on Linux I say they should be able to under the same terms I can use it | Oct 21 14:50 |
| schestowitz | As in military industrial complex | Oct 21 14:50 |
| mutx | or people you dont agree with | Oct 21 14:50 |
| zer0c00l` | cubezzz: On BSD http://lawgon.livejournal.com/68802.html | Oct 21 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | it's not because I like skinheads | Oct 21 14:50 |
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| schestowitz | Notice how fast after the cold war they found new enemies to make the same companies justify their profits | Oct 21 14:50 |
| cubezzz | use Linux or BSD I don't care which | Oct 21 14:50 |
| schestowitz | $400,000,000,000 per year | Oct 21 14:50 |
| cubezzz | I'm not a zealot | Oct 21 14:50 |
| cubezzz | personally I like Linux more than BSD, but BSD is still good for server | Oct 21 14:51 |
| mutx | I like being free to use whatever I choose to use | Oct 21 14:51 |
| zer0c00l` | cubezzz: please read the link mentioned; | Oct 21 14:51 |
| schestowitz | sustaining freedom is important | Oct 21 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | people want to contaminate free software licenses with politically motivated discriminatory crap | Oct 21 14:51 |
| cubezzz | I got to go, but I'll read it when I get back, in about 1/2 hour | Oct 21 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | that's what I meant | Oct 21 14:51 |
| zer0c00l` | cubezzz: np | Oct 21 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | to say you have freedom and then whisk it away for "select groups" seems wrong | Oct 21 14:52 |
| mutx | is wrong | Oct 21 14:53 |
| oiaohm | Complete freedom never exists. | Oct 21 14:53 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l`: "Moral: the good go to heaven, but the bad and the ugly flourish on earth." | Oct 21 14:53 |
| oiaohm | Since its a impossiable goal it ends up distroted. | Oct 21 14:53 |
| schestowitz | Well, too bad there's only Earth | Oct 21 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | so to say the GPL should be modified so that the military can't use it is every bit as disturbing as modifying it to say women children and black people can't use the software | Oct 21 14:53 |
| oiaohm | The most important thing is not freedom but respect. | Oct 21 14:54 |
| zer0c00l` | schestowitz: ;0 | Oct 21 14:54 |
| zer0c00l` | ;) | Oct 21 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | because it's a slippery slope and even if you stop there it's still wrong | Oct 21 14:54 |
| wallc | maybe i'm not understanding what mutx and daemon are trying to say, but they keep saying freedom to *use*, and i can't see how anyone is restricting their freedom to *use* whatever they want. | Oct 21 14:54 |
| oiaohm | Militray should be allowed to use open soruce. | Oct 21 14:54 |
| oiaohm | Militrary gets the largest R&D budgets. | Oct 21 14:55 |
| wallc | it's when you begin distributing that the rules of the license come into play...yes? | Oct 21 14:55 |
| oiaohm | we are such a waring beasts. | Oct 21 14:55 |
| mutx | you want MS and Novell out of business, I see that as you trying to take my freedom from using those products away from me. | Oct 21 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, I think not even the FSF is crazy enough to start a GPL 4 and not let the military use the software licensed under it | Oct 21 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | they've done some crazy bark at the moon type stuff but that would be a stretch even for them | Oct 21 14:55 |
| wallc | mutx, meh, MS and Novell will put themselves out of business, they don't need our help. | Oct 21 14:56 |
| oiaohm | mutx: We are offending by MS and Novell actions to take our freedom. | Oct 21 14:56 |
| mutx | mabey, but that is still your wish, | Oct 21 14:56 |
| oiaohm | Now if MS and Novell did the right thing by all there would be no issue against them mutx | Oct 21 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | and schestowitz: if the military was barred from using FOSS it would just mean that many more Microsoft sales | Oct 21 14:56 |
| wallc | So, nutx, *wishes* are scary for you? | Oct 21 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | or sales for proprietary UNIX | Oct 21 14:57 |
| oiaohm | This is the human world mutx you miss treat others you have to expect people to hate you. | Oct 21 14:57 |
| mutx | so you get to judge for us what MS and Novell do is good or bad, taking away our freedom to choose in the process. | Oct 21 14:57 |
| wallc | mutx (sorry | Oct 21 14:57 |
| oiaohm | mutx: the documents of MS and Novell attacks on projects are long. | Oct 21 14:57 |
| oiaohm | MS loves selling off patents for stealth attacks. | Oct 21 14:57 |
| mutx | so, im sure all companies, work to achieve over their competitors, thats the real world. | Oct 21 14:58 |
| oiaohm | No all companies mutx | Oct 21 14:58 |
| oiaohm | Particular thinking some of the things Novell and MS have done are pure illegal. | Oct 21 14:58 |
| mutx | then take them to court, and let us decide the facts. | Oct 21 14:59 |
| wallc | no, mutx, we judge for ourselves and are free to speak up when someone tramples our freedoms. | Oct 21 14:59 |
| oiaohm | They have been many times and lost mutx | Oct 21 14:59 |
| wallc | no one wants to decide for *you* | Oct 21 14:59 |
| schestowitz | tessier: http://techdirt.com/articles/20091019/1848596602.shtml | Oct 21 14:59 |
| phIRCe | Title: EMI Back To Trying To Personally Bankrupt Michael Robertson | Techdirt .::. Size~: 94.18 KB | Oct 21 14:59 |
| mutx | Just as I am free to speak up when someone tramples mine | Oct 21 14:59 |
| oiaohm | They are convited criminals mutx | Oct 21 14:59 |
| mutx | so is IBM | Oct 21 14:59 |
| oiaohm | Yet IBM does not have documents showing after being charged keeping on doing the same things mutx | Oct 21 15:00 |
| wallc | so, then what's your problem. you know how we feel and you don't agree, why are you here? | Oct 21 15:00 |
| oiaohm | Or resisting court orders mutx | Oct 21 15:00 |
| mutx | mabey, I like to debate the subjects, and enter into an intelligent conversation regarding the issues. | Oct 21 15:01 |
| oiaohm | People can do things wrong. Refusing to obey a court ruling like MS has done many times and Novell has done twice. | Oct 21 15:01 |
| oiaohm | Is no joke. | Oct 21 15:01 |
| oiaohm | Few times MS just shut up shop in the country where they lost. | Oct 21 15:01 |
| wallc | mutx, endless debatecovering the same ground over and over again gets old. | Oct 21 15:02 |
| oiaohm | Recent EU case they threated to do the same so EU people got it so even if MS run they could take the fine out the USA company. | Oct 21 15:02 |
| wallc | you're more like my grand daughter that just gets in the mood to argue, sometimes... | Oct 21 15:02 |
| mutx | so what you're saying is, regardess of anything else, you are going to judge and jury them, and too bad for anyone else who does not agree with you, do you see why sometimes people get the wrong idea about what your trying to achieve. ? | Oct 21 15:02 |
| oiaohm | They have been judged mutx | Oct 21 15:03 |
| oiaohm | We don't trust them because of the way they handled it. | Oct 21 15:03 |
| wallc | mutx, the wrong idea is silently allowing an abusive corporation to continue abusive behavior. | Oct 21 15:03 |
| mutx | and many times here as well, | Oct 21 15:03 |
| oiaohm | Particualar when information keeps on turning up they are repeating the same things still. | Oct 21 15:03 |
| oiaohm | Basically they have disreguarded the courts rulings. | Oct 21 15:04 |
| mutx | still comes down to you being judge, judy and executioner, and it's clear not everyone thinks you are correct. | Oct 21 15:04 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] "How to minimize your value to the company" - pretty old one http://t3.dotgnu.info/blog/rants/howto-minimize-your-value?new | Oct 21 15:04 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Not a web page! Aborting application/rss+xml type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Oct 21 15:04 |
| oiaohm | 8 cases over 12 years over the same things mutx | Oct 21 15:04 |
| wallc | mutx, do you think we should all just shut up and let MS and Novell do their worst? | Oct 21 15:04 |
| oiaohm | All MS loses. | Oct 21 15:05 |
| oiaohm | They are not learning. | Oct 21 15:05 |
| mutx | I have no problems with you complaining about your perceived gripes with MS, but I do have issue with you trying to take my freedoms away from me, based on your beliefs. | Oct 21 15:05 |
| wallc | oiaohm, they've learned, they know exactly what they can get away with and how to get people to shut up and take it. | Oct 21 15:06 |
| oiaohm | We are not taking your freedoms away. | Oct 21 15:06 |
| mutx | you want too, if you could shut down MS you would do it right now. | Oct 21 15:06 |
| oiaohm | The USA courts wanted to do just that mutx | Oct 21 15:07 |
| wallc | mutx, if you love the freedom to be enslaved, that's not our problem...it's yours | Oct 21 15:07 |
| oiaohm | To be correct break it up. | Oct 21 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz" Who cares about Michael Robertson | Oct 21 15:07 |
| mutx | but they didnt, they did to Bell, but not MS, so if they really wanted too they would of, but they did not. | Oct 21 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | he's a con artist | Oct 21 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | and practically an embezzler | Oct 21 15:07 |
| oiaohm | Do we forgive IBM for there misbavour mutx | Oct 21 15:07 |
| oiaohm | answer yes. | Oct 21 15:07 |
| oiaohm | They started playing by the rules. | Oct 21 15:07 |
| oiaohm | We don't demard MS destruction. | Oct 21 15:08 |
| mutx | but you desire it | Oct 21 15:08 |
| wallc | it's funny, i think mutx is suffering from the Stokholm Syndrom...he sympathizes with his captors | Oct 21 15:08 |
| oiaohm | We either want them to play by the rules or be destoryed. | Oct 21 15:08 |
| mutx | lets not resort to personal attacks please. | Oct 21 15:08 |
| oiaohm | Because not playing by the rules is harmful to competition. | Oct 21 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | EMI is disgusting though | Oct 21 15:08 |
| oiaohm | So meaning you pay more for your software than you should mutx | Oct 21 15:08 |
| mutx | I pay how much I choose to pay for a product that I find usefull. | Oct 21 15:09 |
| wallc | personally, i'd be fine with MS being a smaller company in a more level playing field, having to actually compete with the rest of the players | Oct 21 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: EMI will no longer sell to small record stores directly only big companies like Walmart Best Buy Columbia House etc | Oct 21 15:09 |
| oiaohm | Effectively taking away your freedom to do other things. | Oct 21 15:09 |
| mutx | for every product I find usefull | Oct 21 15:09 |
| mutx | how, Im free to do other things. | Oct 21 15:09 |
| mutx | I dont have to buy MS OS's. | Oct 21 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Doesn't that have anti-trust written all over it? | Oct 21 15:09 |
| oiaohm | Money allows you to do things mutx | Oct 21 15:09 |
| oiaohm | How mutx | Oct 21 15:09 |
| mutx | thats right | Oct 21 15:09 |
| oiaohm | How is buy MS OS your own choice. | Oct 21 15:10 |
| mutx | "money can be converted to goods and services" H Simpson | Oct 21 15:10 |
| oiaohm | Without outside factors mutx | Oct 21 15:10 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20091020/1243346606.shtml | Oct 21 15:10 |
| oiaohm | If you be truthful its not a free market. | Oct 21 15:10 |
| phIRCe | Title: Can You Trust AP Reporting On Its Own Lawsuit With Shepard Fairey? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 25.38 KB | Oct 21 15:10 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: tessier might mind cause he knows him | Oct 21 15:10 |
| mutx | Because I say to myself, I like that product, I think I will buy it. | Oct 21 15:10 |
| oiaohm | Not that simple. | Oct 21 15:11 |
| mutx | Yes, it's just that simple. :) | Oct 21 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Robertson effectively stole millions of dollars from Linspire | Oct 21 15:11 |
| oiaohm | You most likely buy that product to run other programs. | Oct 21 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | and sold it without shareholder consent | Oct 21 15:11 |
| oiaohm | That don't run on other operating systems mutx | Oct 21 15:11 |
| oiaohm | Then in business you need like outlook to talk to exchange. | Oct 21 15:11 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://kevincarmony.blogspot.com/2009/10/michael-robertson-loses-in-court-again.html | Oct 21 15:11 |
| phIRCe | Title: Kevin Carmony's Blog: Michael Robertson Loses in Court Again Today -- A Victory for Freedom of Speech! .::. Size~: 105.65 KB | Oct 21 15:11 |
| mutx | I buy that product, like the CPU and HD and RAM to do a job, what do you buy you'rs for ? | Oct 21 15:11 |
| oiaohm | That for a long time exchange protocal was not documented. | Oct 21 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | mmhm | Oct 21 15:12 |
| oiaohm | So people were forced to buy windows to use business email mutx | Oct 21 15:12 |
| oiaohm | Not a fair and open market mutx | Oct 21 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: | Oct 21 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | "MP3tunes argues that the Amended Complaint fails to allege any direct infringement by MP3tunes--that is, any volitional conduct by MP3tunes. Rather, the Amended Complaint establishes that MP3tunes' customers are the ones engaged in volitional acts of infringement." | Oct 21 15:12 |
| schestowitz | Linux gadget: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/10/barnes-nobles-kindle-killing-dual-screen-nook-e-reader-leaked/ | Oct 21 15:12 |
| phIRCe | Title: Barnes & Noble Unveils Kindle-Killing, Dual-Screen Nook E-Reader (Updated) | Gadget Lab | Wired.com .::. Size~: 103.87 KB | Oct 21 15:12 |
| mutx | I dont believe so, ive never seen that there is ONLY a MS mail server or client. | Oct 21 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | blame the customers of your company that your company broke the law | Oct 21 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | classy isn't he? | Oct 21 15:12 |
| oiaohm | mutx: you make me laugh. Exchange until recenty if you tried using non MS you had big problems | Oct 21 15:13 |
| oiaohm | MS had to loss a case to be forced to release the documentation mutx | Oct 21 15:13 |
| oiaohm | Even the apple version of exchange would malfunction on users mutx | Oct 21 15:14 |
| oiaohm | Opps outlook | Oct 21 15:14 |
| mutx | goodness, ive been in the computer game making a living since the early 80's and gee, email problems ?? not really. email is very basic. | Oct 21 15:14 |
| oiaohm | exchange is not just email. | Oct 21 15:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] It seems safe to predict that tomorrow's (e)books will run Linux. http://ur1.ca/e3os | Oct 21 15:14 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Barnes & Noble Unveils Kindle-Killing, Dual-Screen Nook E-Reader (Updated) | Gadget Lab | Wired.com .::. Size~: 103.87 KB | Oct 21 15:14 |
| oiaohm | Its groupware mutx | Oct 21 15:15 |
| mutx | regardless, if I dont like exchange, or windows I simply use something else, that is my freedom. | Oct 21 15:15 |
| oiaohm | Not if your boss choose exchange. | Oct 21 15:15 |
| oiaohm | So by not using it you don't have job mutx | Oct 21 15:16 |
| DaemonFC | so if I go to mp3tunes and listen to a song Michael Robertson will say I am guilty of infringement when he gets sued | Oct 21 15:16 |
| DaemonFC | cool huh? | Oct 21 15:16 |
| oiaohm | mutx: simple fact lot of people freedom to run what ever they like has been taken away from them. | Oct 21 15:16 |
| mutx | we'll then you are employed by someone else, you probably would rather be on the beach too, but you are working for someone else. they are the boss, they get to tell you what to do and use. | Oct 21 15:16 |
| mutx | You are free not to work there if you wish. | Oct 21 15:16 |
| oiaohm | Not always mutx | Oct 21 15:16 |
| oiaohm | You have to feed youself you have to get money somehow mutx | Oct 21 15:17 |
| oiaohm | Your arguement is invalid mutx | Oct 21 15:17 |
| mutx | thats right, and sometimes you have to put aside your idealogies to put food on the table. thats life | Oct 21 15:17 |
| mutx | it's not MS's fault. people need to eat | Oct 21 15:17 |
| oiaohm | Yet forcing them to use MS product to work when that money could be used to eat. | Oct 21 15:18 |
| oiaohm | Is not harmful mutx? | Oct 21 15:18 |
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| wallc | *putting aside idealogies* seems to be a reoccuring theme these days. why is that, i wonder? | Oct 21 15:18 |
| oiaohm | MS is the only one that has released a closed spec groupserver. | Oct 21 15:19 |
| mutx | but that money is being used to make more money, it's up to the owner of the business to spend his money how he chooses. | Oct 21 15:19 |
| mutx | mabey he would not be able to hire anyone if he gave all his money away for free food. | Oct 21 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/12/snow_leopard_data_eating_bug/ | Oct 21 15:19 |
| phIRCe | Title: Fanbois howl over data-munching Snow Leopard bug • The Register .::. Size~: 24.62 KB | Oct 21 15:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE59J6C020091020 | Oct 21 15:19 |
| mutx | isnt he free to choose what he spends his money on ? | Oct 21 15:19 |
| oiaohm | Just make your product better feature wise it still will sell mutx | Oct 21 15:19 |
| oiaohm | There is no reason for this vendor lock in crap that is harmful mutx | Oct 21 15:19 |
| mutx | what if he's not selling wordprocessors, but he's selling footballs, and uses the computer to do his business. to make money. | Oct 21 15:20 |
| wallc | well, speaking of freedom squashing monopolies, i'm going to go transcribe some Comes vs MS docs. | Oct 21 15:20 |
| oiaohm | So why do business up date wordprocessors. | Oct 21 15:21 |
| wallc | :) later! | Oct 21 15:21 |
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| oiaohm | Because businesses they do business with have updated theres. | Oct 21 15:21 |
| oiaohm | So they have become incompadible. | Oct 21 15:21 |
| oiaohm | The incompadbilty is that the format is not documented. | Oct 21 15:21 |
| oiaohm | And bad alterations sneak in. | Oct 21 15:21 |
| mutx | I hear "vendor Lock in" all the time, that can be translated to what everyone uses, or defacto standard, like it or not most of business like to be able to easily communicate, and most know how to do that with the software they are are presently using. | Oct 21 15:21 |
| oiaohm | Vendor lockin trick mutx | Oct 21 15:21 |
| oiaohm | Before MS office become the defact there was a real standard called rtf mutx | Oct 21 15:22 |
| oiaohm | That was ruined by people adding to it in a non documented ways. | Oct 21 15:22 |
| oiaohm | For vendor advantage mutx | Oct 21 15:22 |
| oiaohm | We have fall into a pit of vendor lockin we did not start there mutx | Oct 21 15:23 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/29/ballmer_email_hopes_less_is_more/ | Oct 21 15:23 |
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| oiaohm | Basically you are trying to argue we should not hate MS or Novell. Both have been gulity of creating vendor lockin for there own gain. At the cost of everyone else. | Oct 21 15:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/article/innovationNews/idUSTRE59J2QM20091020 | Oct 21 15:25 |
| oiaohm | You also find us hating apple for there ipod drm because its also vendor lock in mutx | Oct 21 15:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/paddy-ashdown-afghanistans-future-lies-in-strengthening-its-tribal-structures-not-in-its-corrupt-government-1806249.html | Oct 21 15:26 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: he's a bsd guy afaik | Oct 21 15:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.embedded.com/products/softwaretools/220601056 | Oct 21 15:27 |
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| mutx | I find your hate for anything rather odd, but one problem with "lock in" is that OEM's need to see product to make a profit, they buy in bulk, put a markup on that and sell it, in the PC world usually with razor thin margins. their problem with free operating systems, is just that it's free, it's hard to "markup" a product to sell it if it's a free product. so it's OEM's that are just purchasing product to re-sell (that is their job). that is locking | Oct 21 15:27 |
| schestowitz | no-gnu zone... | Oct 21 15:27 |
| mutx | need to *sell | Oct 21 15:27 |
| oiaohm | LOL mutx | Oct 21 15:27 |
| oiaohm | what is the main reason people buy open source softwre mutx | Oct 21 15:28 |
| oiaohm | Yes I do mean buy. | Oct 21 15:28 |
| oiaohm | Support contracts mutx | Oct 21 15:28 |
| oiaohm | There is something else to sell other than the software. | Oct 21 15:28 |
| mutx | sure there is, but why limit what you are able to sell, and make a profit on ? | Oct 21 15:29 |
| oiaohm | Books training matterial as well. | Oct 21 15:29 |
| oiaohm | You cannot stop people from pirating software mutx | Oct 21 15:29 |
| oiaohm | but you can stop them from pirating support. | Oct 21 15:30 |
| mutx | then he's a book seller, not an OEM. sure you can sell used cars if you like. | Oct 21 15:30 |
| oiaohm | Same people that will buy the software will pay for support mutx | Oct 21 15:30 |
| oiaohm | Most of MS windows sale price is paying for updates what are support mutx | Oct 21 15:30 |
| mutx | sure they will, but it's still not making a small markup on the OS, or the RAM, or the MoBO, case, PS ect. | Oct 21 15:31 |
| oiaohm | Lets just be truthful about what they are selling. | Oct 21 15:31 |
| oiaohm | What does MS cut off if your copy is illegal mutx | Oct 21 15:31 |
| oiaohm | Updates. | Oct 21 15:31 |
| oiaohm | The support. | Oct 21 15:31 |
| oiaohm | So why not just sell the support in the first place. | Oct 21 15:32 |
| mutx | people steal from banks too, so why not just open all bank vaults and have a free for all, if someone does something illegal, it's not a justification for everyone to do it, or for no one to take NO action. | Oct 21 15:32 |
| oiaohm | What did I just tell you mutx | Oct 21 15:33 |
| oiaohm | What is OEM software selling really. | Oct 21 15:33 |
| oiaohm | Its not the software. | Oct 21 15:33 |
| oiaohm | One side is truthful about what they are selling. | Oct 21 15:33 |
| mutx | the OWM does not care, he has a product he can use as a promotion tool, (like the cpu and RAM), and he can put a markup on that product. then forget about it. | Oct 21 15:34 |
| oiaohm | OEM that sell redhat software dont' care either mutx | Oct 21 15:34 |
| oiaohm | Simple fact here mutx you arguement is flawed. | Oct 21 15:35 |
| mutx | that other side of the buy and sell equation is the customer, the OEM needs to sell products that people want to buy, im sure he would not sell many z80 based computers, he will sell what he can sell the most off. | Oct 21 15:36 |
| mutx | oiaohm, ok, explain how it's flawed, instead of just saying it is :) | Oct 21 15:36 |
| oiaohm | OEM builders sell all kinds of things. | Oct 21 15:36 |
| oiaohm | Problem here MS has documented cases of giving discounts to OEM that only sell MS. | Oct 21 15:37 |
| oiaohm | Or agreements that OEM has to pay per machine produced even if the machine does not containe MS software. | Oct 21 15:37 |
| oiaohm | These are not fair agreements mutx | Oct 21 15:37 |
| mutx | no one ever said the real world or business was fair, it's not it's darwinian survival of the fittest. | Oct 21 15:38 |
| oiaohm | You want freedom. | Oct 21 15:39 |
| oiaohm | Yet you don't want fair. | Oct 21 15:39 |
| oiaohm | So you are fine that you get ripped off mutx. | Oct 21 15:39 |
| mutx | how do i get ripped off ? | Oct 21 15:39 |
| mutx | if I buy a product (any product) that does what I intended for it to do, for a fair price, ive not been riped off. | Oct 21 15:40 |
| mutx | no one held a gun to my head and made me buy it. | Oct 21 15:40 |
| oiaohm | How do you determin fair process. | Oct 21 15:40 |
| oiaohm | price. | Oct 21 15:40 |
| mutx | and I know that there are alternatives | Oct 21 15:40 |
| mutx | I pay a price I feel is worth the value of the product, like everyone does with everything, | Oct 21 15:41 |
| mutx | you dont ? | Oct 21 15:41 |
| oiaohm | Have you see that Linux from dell on the same machine can be more expensive than windows. | Oct 21 15:41 |
| cubezzz | who is lawgon? | Oct 21 15:41 |
| oiaohm | mutx: simple fact you don't see the information to know if you have been ripped off or not. | Oct 21 15:42 |
| mutx | I have seen all the information to know that I have not been ripped of, | Oct 21 15:43 |
| oiaohm | Really | Oct 21 15:43 |
| mutx | yes, really ! | Oct 21 15:43 |
| oiaohm | That the copy of windows you buy from dell really is -20 dollars to price due to included junk. | Oct 21 15:44 |
| zer0c00l` | cubezzz: Some one who is a lawyer and a free software developer; | Oct 21 15:44 |
| oiaohm | Yet you cannot opt in for the junk to get windows at that price mutx | Oct 21 15:44 |
| cubezzz | ah ok | Oct 21 15:44 |
| mutx | Ofcourse I can opt in, to get windows, and who cares what DELL are doing, I dont, I did not think we are talking about DELL here. | Oct 21 15:45 |
| oiaohm | You cannot opt in from a custom builder to get windows at the same price as dell. | Oct 21 15:45 |
| cubezzz | right, I don't care about DELL, they aren't a true manufacturer anyway | Oct 21 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | Dell is just a middleman | Oct 21 15:46 |
| oiaohm | Part of the price reduction is MS paying for trail version of MS office to be installed mutx | Oct 21 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | they don't make or support anything, they just farm it all out | Oct 21 15:46 |
| oiaohm | So why could not MS ship a version of windows with trial version of Office include with the price cut mutx | Oct 21 15:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | because no one cares about windows anyhow | Oct 21 15:46 |
| mutx | no i cant, because im not a large retailer, I cannot get porches at lower prices either, unless I buy a fleet of them, or im a porche dealer. | Oct 21 15:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | amirite? | Oct 21 15:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.myspace.com/tomhickox | Oct 21 15:47 |
| oiaohm | LOL mutx | Oct 21 15:47 |
| schestowitz | Here's a great singer who uses the Web to market himself | Oct 21 15:47 |
| mutx | oiaohm, if you dont like a product or the price of the product you are free not to buy it. | Oct 21 15:47 |
| oiaohm | I can buy single porches at fleet discount here. | Oct 21 15:47 |
| mutx | if you do like the price, and want it you are free to buy it as well. | Oct 21 15:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | it depends who you know | Oct 21 15:47 |
| *Diablo-D3 never buys anything at full price | Oct 21 15:47 | |
| cubezzz | One thing that interests me is why BSD didn't really catch on earlier | Oct 21 15:48 |
| oiaohm | Problem here mutx I cannot buy the same software as dell can. Particular the discount rap. | Oct 21 15:48 |
| oiaohm | crap. | Oct 21 15:48 |
| cubezzz | I don't remember any BSD hobbyists in the 80's yet there should have been some | Oct 21 15:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: BSD did catch on | Oct 21 15:48 |
| oiaohm | Fleet discounts and the like in this country I legally can get. | Oct 21 15:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | but with the wrong people | Oct 21 15:48 |
| mutx | thats may be right, but so what? you cant buy Dell software but you can buy MS's software if you so choose too, or not if you so choose. | Oct 21 15:49 |
| cubezzz | Diablo-D3, wasn't Microsoft using BSD at one point? | Oct 21 15:49 |
| oiaohm | Can you buy the discount trial version of MS Office mutx | Oct 21 15:49 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Emacs-goodies now in fedora, just filed a package review request https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=530090 !emacs Testers needed; | Oct 21 15:49 | |
| oiaohm | Answer no mutx | Oct 21 15:49 |
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| oiaohm | Not with the discount mutx | Oct 21 15:49 |
| mutx | so mabey if you were as large as DELL you would, but your not so too bad. | Oct 21 15:50 |
| oiaohm | So I cannot buy all MS software. | Oct 21 15:50 |
| mutx | so why is that a problem for you ? | Oct 21 15:50 |
| cubezzz | the tcp/ip stack for one thing | Oct 21 15:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: microsoft has used many things | Oct 21 15:50 |
| oiaohm | So you only want big business to exist mutx | Oct 21 15:51 |
| oiaohm | Because they can under cut all the small ones due to discounting mutx | Oct 21 15:51 |
| mutx | small business can and DOES exist with MS right now, so I dont see you're point ? | Oct 21 15:51 |
| mutx | yes, that's what happens in the real world, live with it. | Oct 21 15:51 |
| oiaohm | Machine production large contracts are lost to dell and the like. | Oct 21 15:52 |
| oiaohm | over local smaller companies. | Oct 21 15:52 |
| oiaohm | due to low cost mostly due to crap software on the machines. | Oct 21 15:52 |
| cubezzz | that's North American for you... still MicrosoftLand | Oct 21 15:52 |
| oiaohm | That you have image the machine to get rid of mutx | Oct 21 15:52 |
| oiaohm | Even if you want to run windows. | Oct 21 15:53 |
| oiaohm | Yes its stupid. Price of volume licence with particular sets of crap to image machines out is still cheeper than buying from a local store. | Oct 21 15:53 |
| oiaohm | Because the local store has to recover full cost of windows mutx | Oct 21 15:54 |
| oiaohm | And you cannot install volume unless machine already has a copy of windows. | Oct 21 15:54 |
| mutx | and yet there are still a huge amount of local stores here in australia, alot single proprietors. | Oct 21 15:54 |
| oiaohm | I work with a few of them mutx | Oct 21 15:55 |
| oiaohm | and watch them lose contract after contract. | Oct 21 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | I entered a Newegg sweepstakes :P | Oct 21 15:55 |
| mutx | ive been one, I did ok, very ok actually. | Oct 21 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | people never fill these things out | Oct 21 15:56 |
| oiaohm | Ok and great are two different things. | Oct 21 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | but I did win a $1,000 Walmart gift card | Oct 21 15:56 |
| mutx | ok great then, :) | Oct 21 15:56 |
| oiaohm | 3 years ago house holders buying machnes kept small ones afloat. | Oct 21 15:56 |
| oiaohm | The local suport side. | Oct 21 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | that was gone fast, heh | Oct 21 15:56 |
| oiaohm | Most these days are living on virus clean up mutx | Oct 21 15:56 |
| oiaohm | Large business contracts that are long term live blood are not going there way mutx | Oct 21 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, I use the Microsoft Security Essentials thing | Oct 21 15:57 |
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| DaemonFC | it's actually a lot more pleasant than most payware antivirus | Oct 21 15:58 |
| oiaohm | And like all anti-viruses become less effective by the day DaemonFC | Oct 21 15:58 |
| oiaohm | There are already a few anti Microsoft Security Essentials stuff already out. | Oct 21 15:59 |
| oiaohm | That make it report as working when its completely disabled. | Oct 21 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Norton is like that | Oct 21 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | most viruses of any significance can easily kill Norton and make it report it is working | Oct 21 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | Norton is a ripoff, a total one | Oct 21 16:00 |
| oiaohm | Every anti-virus is going that way. | Oct 21 16:00 |
| oiaohm | Even items like malware bytes are being taken out DaemonFC | Oct 21 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Security Essentials is not all I use obviously | Oct 21 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | before I run anything I send it to Virus Total | Oct 21 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | and get like 40 other opinions | Oct 21 16:00 |
| oiaohm | Anything that become popular as a defence becomes crippled in about 3 months. | Oct 21 16:00 |
| oiaohm | And that time frame is getting shorter. | Oct 21 16:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.fiercecio.com/techwatch/story/getting-microsoft-fund-linux-development/2009-10-20 | Oct 21 16:01 |
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| oiaohm | The boot from clean disk solution is coming about the only way DaemonFC | Oct 21 16:03 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Hora de cortar a barba e de tomar um banho.... | Oct 21 16:04 | |
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| DaemonFC | oiaohm, You can't stop all Windows viruses all the time, but you can throw out a lot of road blocks that don't impede system performance that much | Oct 21 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, he's not here | Oct 21 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | ooops | Oct 21 16:07 |
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| zer0c00l` | lol ^^ | Oct 21 16:32 |
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| DaemonFC | what the drug company won't mention is that 10 mg Crestor is the same price as 5 mg Crestor | Oct 21 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | so you could just get the 10 mg pills and a pill splitter | Oct 21 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | the doctors won't usually let you get by with that though even though you'd effectively cut the price per day in half | Oct 21 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | same for 20 mg split in half = two 10s | Oct 21 16:36 |
| DaemonFC | so when I get on Medicare I'll probably just go see my mom's doctor and ask her for 20 mg pills to split in half | Oct 21 16:37 |
| mutx | here in Aus it does not matter, if you drugs require 2 packers instead of one, it still only cost you $5.00. | Oct 21 16:43 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] test! test! status update from pidgin | Oct 21 16:49 | |
| trmanco | bni? | Oct 21 16:53 |
| trmanco | what is the difference? identica? | Oct 21 16:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Vou comer um cachorro, alguem quer? | Oct 21 16:53 | |
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| schestowitz | [16:35] <DaemonFC> what the drug company won't mention is that 10 mg Crestor is the same price as 5 mg Crestor | Oct 21 17:03 |
| schestowitz | It's not as though it costs more to make | Oct 21 17:03 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, identica | Oct 21 17:04 |
| schestowitz | One also runs a newer version of the script | Oct 21 17:04 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @gnome: GNOME Shell 2.28.0 – A Preview http://blog.fishsoup.net/2009/10/07/gnome-shell-2-28-0-a-preview/ | Oct 21 17:14 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♻ @LibertyTuga: Um bom exemplo do que é o NORTE CARALHO!! http://bit.ly/3QMKc5 E mai nada! xD || OMG | Oct 21 17:17 | |
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| schestowitz | Hey _Hicham_ | Oct 21 17:18 |
| _Hicham_ | hi schestowitz | Oct 21 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | zer0c00l: that first comment is from Novell/Mono employee | Oct 21 17:20 |
| schestowitz | They'll hopefully keep that out of gnome | Oct 21 17:20 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: gnome-shell is a mono app? | Oct 21 17:24 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: your fav company: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10379673-92.html | Oct 21 17:25 |
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| schestowitz | zer0c00l: nope | Oct 21 17:25 |
| trmanco | nope | Oct 21 17:25 |
| trmanco | my fav is goog | Oct 21 17:25 |
| schestowitz | !google icaza .net gnome orlowski | Oct 21 17:25 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Stallman wants de Icaza to explain GNOME on .NET | http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8396635629.html | Oct 21 17:25 |
| phIRCe | [2] - HOT TOPIC: Mono and DotGNU - Linux For Devices Articles - Linux ... | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/Linux-For-Devices-Articles/HOT-TOPIC-Mono-and-DotGNU/ | Oct 21 17:25 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Gnome to be based on .NET – de Icaza • The Register | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/02/01/gnome_to_be_based/ | Oct 21 17:25 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Explain yourself Miguel, demands RMS • The Register | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/02/05/explain_yourself_miguel_demands_rms/ | Oct 21 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Ximian - monkey business | Oct 21 17:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/20/unity-technologies-raises-5-5-million-from-sequoia-capital/ | Oct 21 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | "Unity uses .NET (or rather Mono, Novell’s open source .NET implementation) for “scripting”, which sidesteps the whole classical conundrum of scripting-versus-native, since the code gets JIT or AOT compiled to native code while still being sandboxable and easy. Also, there’s lots of documentation and very rich libraries to work with. " | Oct 21 17:27 |
| chm | phIRCe: that [3] is really scary! | Oct 21 17:28 |
| trmanco | phIRCe: is a bot :-P | Oct 21 17:28 |
| chm | what a pity ;-) I got the reference right, anyway | Oct 21 17:30 |
| trmanco | it can talk if you say so | Oct 21 17:30 |
| trmanco | owners | Oct 21 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | chm: yes, it's talked about a lot | Oct 21 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Weird | Oct 21 17:46 |
| schestowitz | GNOME has just begun following me in twitter | Oct 21 17:46 |
| schestowitz | http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3844511/Who-Needs-Windows-7-When-Youve-Got-KDE.htm | Oct 21 17:47 |
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| tessier | schestowitz: I don't care about Michael Robertson one bit. I don't really think much of the guy. Yes, I know him. Exchanged some emails with him a few months ago. | Oct 21 17:47 |
| tessier | http://kevincarmony.blogspot.com/ | Oct 21 17:47 |
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| tessier | Kevin has lots of dirt on Michael. | Oct 21 17:48 |
| tessier | He writes about him all the time there. | Oct 21 17:48 |
| schestowitz | I'd have to say Vista7 hype is very low this time around | Oct 21 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Vista was a lot more hyped in its days | Oct 21 17:49 |
| schestowitz | tessier: yes, I know... | Oct 21 17:50 |
| schestowitz | It was Kevin's idea to sell out to Ballmer, AFAIK | Oct 21 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | Basically, Kevin knows him well enough to post some nasty and true things, even ugly photos | Oct 21 17:50 |
| schestowitz | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Happy-Birthday-Ubuntu-124827.shtml | Oct 21 17:52 |
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| chm | schestowitz: seems like MS learned from the Vista PR desaster: don't overdo it with the expectations, you can only lose | Oct 21 17:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.enterprisestorageforum.com/sans/features/article.php/3844426 | Oct 21 17:55 |
| schestowitz | chm: exactly, BUT... | Oct 21 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Here's the odd thing | Oct 21 17:55 |
| schestowitz | They can't do both | Oct 21 17:55 |
| schestowitz | So.. | Oct 21 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Their tactics from what I gather is this | Oct 21 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Say that Vista 7 is /technically/ great. | Oct 21 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Then say it won't sell too well | Oct 21 17:56 |
| schestowitz | So people will be left with the impression that the poor sales (it won't be a rout) are not because it's another Vista | Oct 21 17:56 |
| schestowitz | Today: http://www.pcworld.com/article/174017/the_sorry_state_of_windows_7_gaming.html | Oct 21 17:56 |
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| schestowitz | http://ubuntumanual.org/posts/252/mirage-banshee-plugin-miraculously-adds-acoustically-similar-songs-to-your-playlist | Oct 21 17:58 |
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| schestowitz | Meg. Banshee is Novell-only | Oct 21 17:58 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.computerworld.com/14953/ibm_canonical_to_launch_ubuntu_desktop_for_business | Oct 21 17:58 |
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| schestowitz | http://keionline.org/ec-mysql | Oct 21 17:59 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @rupertg At MS launch. Ashley Highfield's opener so far beyond merely patronising it may be impossible to parody | Oct 21 18:01 | |
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| schestowitz | China gets carriers... http://mobile.shanghaiist.com/2009/10/19/wuhan_builds_a_cement_aircraft_carr.php | Oct 21 18:05 |
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| schestowitz | Airport security: http://xkcd.com/651/ | Oct 21 18:06 |
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| mutx | you dont build things from cement, you build them from concrete, cement is a component of concrete. | Oct 21 18:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/17/imdb-turns-19-yes-19-older-than-the-web-browser/ | Oct 21 18:23 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Arg, horrid noise, thought one of the disks in my computer was about to die! Then wifey turned the Dyson off. Phew! | Oct 21 18:23 | |
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| wallc | I have a couple of questions about transcribing the px04275 pdf, Comes vs MS doc. | Oct 21 18:35 |
| wallc | There are some tables in some of the pages. I can turn those into clean graphics, but then they aren't searchable. Will that be an issue? | Oct 21 18:36 |
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| wallc | Also, I have no one here today to help proofread the transcribed text...anyone here like to volunteer? I have the first four pages finished. | Oct 21 18:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://intosimple.blogspot.com/2009/10/screen-brightness.html | Oct 21 18:37 |
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| schestowitz | wallc: I usually read them too to verify :-) | Oct 21 18:38 |
| wallc | okay, then i won't worry about proofing. | Oct 21 18:38 |
| schestowitz | The tables could be done in HTML, but it's not simple with most tools | Oct 21 18:38 |
| schestowitz | For Wiki it's hard too | Oct 21 18:38 |
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| schestowitz | Tab-delimited works sometimes | Oct 21 18:39 |
| wallc | so the clean graphics would be ok to do? | Oct 21 18:41 |
| wallc | as .pngs | Oct 21 18:41 |
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| wallc | actually, it looks like all the info in the tables is explained in the text, so maybe the tables being searchable won't matter... | Oct 21 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Yes, that too | Oct 21 18:42 |
| schestowitz | 480px wide max | Oct 21 18:43 |
| wallc | ok, will keep that size. | Oct 21 18:43 |
| schestowitz | wallc: this is a good anchor doc for other OEM exhibits | Oct 21 18:43 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Oct 21 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Including leaked contracts that show how Microsoft forbid offering of choice | Oct 21 18:43 |
| schestowitz | As in, IE-only and penalty of OEM offers non-Windows platforms in stock | Oct 21 18:44 |
| schestowitz | It's the same crime Intel was found guilty for | Oct 21 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: What's this? I just joined | Oct 21 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Imagine if I told you that you can get your bread for a discount only as long as you embargo all the other bread suppliers | Oct 21 18:44 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: some Comes stuff | Oct 21 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | some what? | Oct 21 18:45 |
| cubezzz | customer asked me to write a "time adder and subtractor" yesterday | Oct 21 18:45 |
| wallc | yes, there's some really interesting information in this one. I had to laugh at their "Dumbo Opportunity" plan...lol | Oct 21 18:45 |
| cubezzz | I couldn't help thinking someone has done that before | Oct 21 18:45 |
| cubezzz | e.g. 3:48 - 2:21 = 1:27 | Oct 21 18:46 |
| schestowitz | http://beginlinux.wordpress.com/2009/10/20/community-question-teaching-linux-newbies/ | Oct 21 18:46 |
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| wallc | Roy, since there are twelve pages and several graphics, I probably won't have this one finished for a couple of days... | Oct 21 18:49 |
| schestowitz | http://anotherubuntu.blogspot.com/2009/10/interesting-gui-concept.html | Oct 21 18:49 |
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| schestowitz | wallc: that's OK | Oct 21 18:49 |
| wallc | :) | Oct 21 18:49 |
| schestowitz | It ought to get thousands of viewers when it's done (short-term) | Oct 21 18:50 |
| schestowitz | And it's useful for future stuff | Oct 21 18:50 |
| schestowitz | So it's more about having it as a reference out there, making a certain point with hard proof | Oct 21 18:50 |
| schestowitz | It's like sticking papers in a journal to build upon later | Oct 21 18:51 |
| wallc | Yes, having it as a permanent record is the most important part, I think. Anyway, we'll get it done...talk later...(phone's ringing) bye for now | Oct 21 18:51 |
| schestowitz | :-> | Oct 21 18:51 |
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| schestowitz | People want sound bites, not actual explanations and proof, provided it's there | Oct 21 18:52 |
| mutx | I tend to think people like and seek out the truth. and proof | Oct 21 18:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ubuntugeek.com/win7-transformation-pack-for-ubuntu.html | Oct 21 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | mutx: some people are lazy and watch just headlines and /. | Oct 21 18:55 |
| mutx | yes, thats true, but are you interested in facts and proof or delivering what the people here want ? | Oct 21 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Many people get their 'history lessons' from Fox News | Oct 21 18:56 |
| schestowitz | mutx: yes, I am | Oct 21 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Look at Mono for example | Oct 21 18:56 |
| schestowitz | We've been right for almost 2 years | Oct 21 18:57 |
| schestowitz | We produced proof too | Oct 21 18:57 |
| schestowitz | But only now do people like Allison, FSF, Red Hat and others wake up | Oct 21 18:57 |
| mutx | right in what way ? | Oct 21 18:57 |
| schestowitz | THat it's an issue | Oct 21 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Back in 06/07 people were not concerned about it | Oct 21 18:57 |
| schestowitz | After the initial concerns in 2003 were suppressed | Oct 21 18:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7533484259.html | Oct 21 18:58 |
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| cubezzz | I was complaining about Microsoft long before 2006 | Oct 21 18:59 |
| schestowitz | No, Mono | Oct 21 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Post Novell-deal | Oct 21 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Post-Novell deal | Oct 21 19:00 |
| cubezzz | right right | Oct 21 19:00 |
| cubezzz | ;-) | Oct 21 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Patents were off the table back then and Ximian not connected to Microsoft by the hip | Oct 21 19:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tenshu.net/archives/2009/10/20/rise-of-the-floating-fonters/ | Oct 21 19:02 |
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| cubezzz | I don't even watch TV | Oct 21 19:04 |
| cubezzz | maybe WNED, but that's it | Oct 21 19:04 |
| cubezzz | don't even bother with newspapers even | Oct 21 19:06 |
| cubezzz | the internet must be killing places like blockbuster | Oct 21 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Between the internet and On Demand stuff from the cable companies | Oct 21 19:17 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: they don't know what else to do now, MAFIAA fired 3 bosses this week | Oct 21 19:20 |
| schestowitz | They were not "aggressive enough" | Oct 21 19:20 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft analyst throws FUD at Linux/Google from his blog. Typical. http://bit.ly/43PcUA | Oct 21 19:21 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Florian Mueller wishes to spread the message that we should block #Oracle + #mysql : http://ur1.ca/e4aq | Oct 21 19:26 | |
| schestowitz | The anti-FOSS lawyer is feeding on the nuggets of Asay and ilk to mock FOSS: http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/10/20/open-source-success-must-embrace-proprietary-features/id=6736/ | Oct 21 19:28 |
| schestowitz | This is why these people are damaging to freedom | Oct 21 19:28 |
| schestowitz | The same lawyers is a huge fan of software patents... Quinn | Oct 21 19:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] David Wood quits Symbian. http://ur1.ca/e4bs Probably good news for Linux | Oct 21 19:37 | |
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| schestowitz | http://live.iencyclopedia.org/2009/10/google-chrome-aims-indian-users.html Google Chrome aims Indian users | Oct 21 19:43 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: what happened? | Oct 21 20:14 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz: power outage | Oct 21 20:36 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Success Story Told by #EvriChart http://bit.ly/3q1lIi | Oct 21 20:36 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ZebOS Built on Top of #Linux http://newsblaze.com/story/2009101904590200001.pnw/topstory.html | Oct 21 20:36 | |
| phIRCe | Hello World! | Oct 21 20:36 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ClearCut Pictures Uses #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/1N9Fji | Oct 21 20:38 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Marvell and #GNU #Linux a Marriage of Convenience http://ur1.ca/e4hq http://ur1.ca/e4hr | Oct 21 20:40 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] So Windows 7 is out tonight. I never did get a response to what makes it a worthwhile upgrade from XP (and worth spending more money) | Oct 21 20:41 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Asda Likely to Stock #GNU #Linux Tablets in December http://bit.ly/GwXP #xmas #uk | Oct 21 20:42 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IBM Eyes #GNU #Linux Servers with Management Tools http://ur1.ca/e4ir http://ur1.ca/e4is | Oct 21 20:48 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux May Gets Deadline Scheduling Incorporated http://ur1.ca/e4j3 #rtos | Oct 21 20:51 | |
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| DaemonFC | it only takes me about 40 minutes to compile a kernel on this system | Oct 21 20:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: btw, that sched doesnt work | Oct 21 20:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE4 Glimpse: #Cantor , Project #Silk http://bit.ly/72x5S http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4086 | Oct 21 20:55 | |
| Diablo-D3 | its just some crap the RT guys thought up that doesnt work right | Oct 21 20:55 |
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| Diablo-D3 | they need to just jetison CFS already | Oct 21 20:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Geospatial Developers Deliver Software on a #LiveDVD http://ur1.ca/e4jn | Oct 21 20:56 | |
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| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: CK has a new sched | Oct 21 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | I always use full preemption | Oct 21 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | it's never given me any problems that I'm aware of | Oct 21 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | why does voltronw keep versioning me? | Oct 21 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | Yes I'm in Windows Vista right now | Oct 21 20:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: yes, Im using it. Its called BFS. | Oct 21 21:00 |
| voltronw | DaemonFC: thought it was weired that you're talking about your kernel even though you're running vista | Oct 21 21:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: or did you miss the fact I'm in #ck on oftc? | Oct 21 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | voltronw, There's this thing called multiple operating systems | Oct 21 21:00 |
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| DaemonFC | usually achieved through partitioning | Oct 21 21:00 |
| voltronw | at least you're running x-chat ;-) | Oct 21 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | voltronw, Sadly, Wine doesn't support every last thing I want to run, but it is a lot closer than it used to be | Oct 21 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | it can run a lot of more recent Windows games, it used to be limited to some older games that may or may not work right anyway | Oct 21 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | it's come a long way in the last year | Oct 21 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | it's why I'd say for most people, it's at least an XP replacement | Oct 21 21:03 |
| voltronw | i only play open source games. nethack and tetris | Oct 21 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | I use a lot of open source stuff even in Windows | Oct 21 21:04 |
| fewa | nexuiz | Oct 21 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | whatever works well for what I need it to do | Oct 21 21:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE4 Distro Seen as Suitable for Children http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=11373 | Oct 21 21:04 | |
| DaemonFC | I also use a lot of proprietary things either out of habit or because it works better for me | Oct 21 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | it's probably 50/50 on applications | Oct 21 21:05 |
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| DaemonFC | someone the other day was laughing at me for still using Winamp, oh well | Oct 21 21:06 |
| mutx | whatever rows your boat :) | Oct 21 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | come to think of it, I can't remember the last time I opened Windows Media Player or Internet Explorer except out of morbid curiousity | Oct 21 21:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of #Greenie #GNU #Linux 5.1j http://bit.ly/1bbHb9 | Oct 21 21:07 | |
| DaemonFC | they'd be doing users a favor by either killing them or making them work properly | Oct 21 21:07 |
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| DaemonFC | but those apps aren't there for user benefit or else they would work properly by now | Oct 21 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | what kills me is how many people I've seen using IE to browse and using WMP to encode to WMA just cause it's what Windows does if you don't know any better | Oct 21 21:09 |
| mutx | or it's because that is what they prefer to use. | Oct 21 21:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] EFF: Is #NetNeutrality a @FCC Trojan Horse? http://ur1.ca/e4l2 I'd like authority that had judicial oversight Common carrier provides that | Oct 21 21:10 | |
| DaemonFC | somehow I doubt they would if they took a look around | Oct 21 21:10 |
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| mutx | some (even alot) of people know exactly what they are doing, and based on that they make their choices. | Oct 21 21:11 |
| mutx | which is how it should be. | Oct 21 21:11 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] EFF: Is #NetNeutrality a @FCC Trojan Horse? http://ur1.ca/e4l2 like authority with judicial oversight Common carrier gives that #hr3458 some | Oct 21 21:12 | |
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| DaemonFC | mutx: WMA is too inferior to everything else to be seriously considered | Oct 21 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | it even loses quite badly to the ancient MP3 | Oct 21 21:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | that I can agree on | Oct 21 21:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | wma is pretty nasty | Oct 21 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | my order of preference is AoTuv encoded Ogg Vorbis > Nero AAC > Lame MP3 | Oct 21 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | WMA isn't even really on the table | Oct 21 21:14 |
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| Diablo-D3 | depends on what bitrat | Oct 21 21:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'd rather just go lossless | Oct 21 21:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Puppy Linux Adds "Woof", a Package Manager http://ur1.ca/e4lw #linux | Oct 21 21:20 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Unaffected by Economic Problems at #FraudStreet http://bit.ly/P1YK6 | Oct 21 21:21 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora 12 Gets Welcoming Reviews http://ur1.ca/e4mh http://ur1.ca/e4mi http://ur1.ca/e4mj http://ur1.ca/e0vz http://ur1.ca/e4ml | Oct 21 21:24 | |
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| chm | You guys probably alreadly read this one: <http://louderback.com/2009/windows-7-its-vista-all-over-again/>. Louderback also bashes Windows 6.1 on Twit 217, see here: <http://wiki.twit.tv/wiki/TWiT_217/Transcript>. | Oct 21 21:25 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 Transformation Pack for #Ubuntu Released http://ur1.ca/e4n4 missing feature: viruses | Oct 21 21:29 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mono Replacers Enter Repository of Next #Ubuntu http://ur1.ca/e4n6 #gnu #linux | Oct 21 21:29 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux is Hot and It's Cool: Runs at -40 to 80°C http://www.newswiretoday.com/news/59196/ | Oct 21 21:33 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Raytheon Gets Federal Validation for #Linux Module; #MontaVista Gets #4G OK http://ur1.ca/e4nm http://ur1.ca/e4nn | Oct 21 21:35 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #NoMachine Has New Release http://bit.ly/2QNkz0 | Oct 21 21:36 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Makes Big Gains with Mobiles Under "Android" http://ur1.ca/e4oa http://ur1.ca/e4ob http://ur1.ca/dvzs | Oct 21 21:44 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Speculation: #Google to Make Own #Android Phone, #Acer Does http://ur1.ca/e4oe http://ur1.ca/e4oh http://ur1.ca/e4oi | Oct 21 21:45 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows Machines Fitted with #Android / #Linux, Android 2.0 Coming http://ur1.ca/e4om http://ur1.ca/e4oo | Oct 21 21:47 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at the New #Linux #Gadget from Barnes & Noble http://ur1.ca/e4p5 http://ur1.ca/e3os http://ur1.ca/e4p6 | Oct 21 21:50 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Wrong link. read #hr3438 has judicial oversight http://ur1.ca/e4p4 Much better than FCC inventing jurisdiction http://ur1.ca/e4l2 | Oct 21 21:51 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] read #hr3438 has judicial oversight http://ur1.ca/e4p4 Much better than FCC inventing jurisdiction http://ur1.ca/e4l2 #NetNeutrality | Oct 21 21:52 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] read #hr3458 has judicial oversight http://ur1.ca/e4p4 Much better than FCC inventing jurisdiction http://ur1.ca/e4l2 #NetNeutrality | Oct 21 21:53 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Workshop on #FreeSoftware in #Spain , #SoftwareFreedomDay in #Chennai http://ur1.ca/e4q5 http://ur1.ca/e4q6 | Oct 21 22:01 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Interview with Vice President of the #Apache Software Foundation http://ur1.ca/e4q8 | Oct 21 22:02 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FOSS4G Takes Place with 400 Developers http://www.itwire.com/content/view/28654/53/ | Oct 21 22:04 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] National Housing Authority Moves to #FreeSoftware http://bit.ly/5704J #nha | Oct 21 22:05 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Kerala ( #India ) Migration to #FreeSoftware in the News http://ur1.ca/e4r1 #freedom | Oct 21 22:10 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Bully Association BSA) Takes Its Lies to South Africa, Neglects Free Software http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Software/10099.html | Oct 21 22:11 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #FreeSoftware Tools Produced, Now for Positron Emission Tomography http://ur1.ca/e4r8 #PET | Oct 21 22:13 | |
| DaemonFC | Alliance Defense Fund, the Nazi Stormtroopers of Christianity's litigation wing :P | Oct 21 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | these groups make me sick | Oct 21 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Front groups... | Oct 21 22:16 |
| schestowitz | RIAA/MPAA... | Oct 21 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Or MAFIAA for short | Oct 21 22:16 |
| schestowitz | mafiaa.org | Oct 21 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Don't blame music industry/software vendor/church... | Oct 21 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Talk to the hand (front group) | Oct 21 22:16 |
| MinceR | b$a | Oct 21 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The Methodist church (American one) leaves it to each pastor whether they want to ban gay or lesbian people from their church | Oct 21 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | they also teach that it's an abomination, don't allow homosexuals to be clergy, etc. | Oct 21 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | and these people run the clinic I have to get my medicine from til I get on Medicare | Oct 21 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | I'm glad they don't know | Oct 21 22:18 |
| MinceR | what do they not know? | Oct 21 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | that I'm gay | Oct 21 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if they would stop prescribing all the medication I need if they found out | Oct 21 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | ugggh | Oct 21 22:20 |
| _goblin | hi all........we talking copyright? | Oct 21 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | I hate having to go in there knowing that those people would love nothing more than to burn me at the stake, to get my medicine | Oct 21 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | because I have no insurance until my Medicare coverage kicks in | Oct 21 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | yet all the baby factory career welfare mothers, alcoholics, wastoids, and drug users can come in there and don't have to hide a thing | Oct 21 22:22 |
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| DaemonFC | apparently the Christian God loves those people who leech off society by choice and wherever they possibly can, so much more than me | Oct 21 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | that's all the rant for now :P | Oct 21 22:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Releases: #Midgard , #Nuxeo , #Rakontu , #Serna http://ur1.ca/e4s1 http://ur1.ca/e4s2 http://ur1.ca/e4s6 http://ur1.ca/e4s7 | Oct 21 22:25 | |
| MinceR | http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1308.html | Oct 21 22:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Cheryl Cole’s supervillain lair refused planning permission http://notnews.today.com/?p=695 | Oct 21 22:26 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenAccess (OA) Week Week Starts, OA Comes Under Attack http://ur1.ca/e4sh http://ur1.ca/e4si http://ur1.ca/e4sl | Oct 21 22:29 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #CIA Seemingly Watched You Everywhere http://ur1.ca/e4sx http://ur1.ca/e4sy http://ur1.ca/e4sz | Oct 21 22:37 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ATT #AstroTurfing Against #NetNeutrality Without Disclosure http://techdirt.com/articles/20091020/1054406603.shtml | Oct 21 22:38 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolists Launch More Legal Attacks Against Progress http://ur1.ca/e4te http://ur1.ca/e4tg | Oct 21 22:40 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SexPistols Play with #Trademark Fire http://ur1.ca/e4ti http://ur1.ca/e4tj #frivoloussuit | Oct 21 22:42 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft and the #FBI Intersect, Attack #GaryMcKinnon http://bit.ly/UEhNs | Oct 21 22:43 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 a No-go Area to Gamers, One of Windows' Former Strengths http://ur1.ca/e4u5 | Oct 21 22:45 | |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJcnoDfFWhM | Oct 21 22:53 |
| fewa | Paul/Kucinich | Oct 21 22:53 |
| fewa | wow talking about Kosovo | Oct 21 22:56 |
| fewa | the ruling party is always the war party.... | Oct 21 22:57 |
| *schestowitz watches | Oct 21 22:57 | |
| fewa | thats the mesage that needs to get out | Oct 21 22:57 |
| fewa | terror in the balkans | Oct 21 22:59 |
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| fewa | It seems to me that there is systematic undermining of common law in the United States | Oct 21 23:01 |
| fewa | repeatedly breaking common law and patching it up with something where the power has been moved from judicial to executive branch | Oct 21 23:01 |
| fewa | look at network neutrality | Oct 21 23:01 |
| fewa | unconstititutional PATRIOT act and FISA amendment provisions | Oct 21 23:02 |
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| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLD0p1QpcI8 | Oct 21 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | fewa: great video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4258131083758254736# | Oct 21 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Is Year Zero on the Net? | Oct 21 23:20 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFMwOu0cWpA 1:17:00 | Oct 21 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9159164859238659487&ei=cIzfSpmtI5fW-Aa6jMWNDA&q=year+zero# | Oct 21 23:38 |
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| fewa | schestowitz, the US backed Pol Pot against the Vietnamese | Oct 21 23:42 |
| fewa | after the vietnam war | Oct 21 23:42 |
| fewa | the reporting of genocide only started after the US pulled out | Oct 21 23:43 |
| mutx | after the US got kicked out you mean :) | Oct 21 23:47 |
| fewa | mutx, cambodia | Oct 21 23:47 |
| fewa | not vietnam | Oct 21 23:47 |
| tessier | fewa: The US backed Pol Pot? that seems unlikely. | Oct 21 23:51 |
| tessier | mutx: And the US didn't get kicked out. | Oct 21 23:51 |
| tessier | Unless you consider the citizens of the US kicking themselves out. | Oct 21 23:51 |
| mutx | um, they did not leave of their own accord, | Oct 21 23:51 |
| tessier | mutx: Yes, they did. | Oct 21 23:52 |
| tessier | And they spent 3 years preparing for it. | Oct 21 23:52 |
| mutx | sure ok :) | Oct 21 23:52 |
| tessier | It was called "Vietnamization" | Oct 21 23:52 |
| mutx | know your history well do you :) | Oct 21 23:52 |
| fewa | =http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US_ThirdWorld/US_PolPot.html | Oct 21 23:52 |
| fewa | http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Global_Secrets_Lies/Friends_PolPot.html | Oct 21 23:52 |
| fewa | http://chss.montclair.edu/English/furr/pol/polpotmontclarion0498.html | Oct 21 23:52 |
| tessier | mutx: Having lived a year in Vietnam and having spoken with communists and former south vietnamese and US veterans and having been to the actual places involved, yes. | Oct 21 23:52 |
| fewa | there are two reasons the US got out of vietnam 1.massive popular opposition 2.goal of dismantling Vietnamese society accomplished | Oct 21 23:53 |
| mutx | so there was no riot at the embassy and there were not fleets of helo's evacuating the last troops to get away, we all know and can read history. | Oct 21 23:53 |
| fewa | (popular opposition in the US) | Oct 21 23:53 |
| fewa | _not_ political opposition | Oct 21 23:53 |
| fewa | nowhere in the media was there opposition | Oct 21 23:54 |
| tessier | fewa: I agree with the first but the second is nonsense. | Oct 21 23:54 |
| mutx | US got their ass handed to them in nam | Oct 21 23:54 |
| tessier | mutx: They lost 2 million. The US lost 60k and never lost a battle to speak of. How is that getting your ass handed to you? | Oct 21 23:55 |
| mutx | losing a war is generally defined by not achieving victory, | Oct 21 23:56 |
| tessier | By 1973 the last US combat troops were out of Vietnam. The helo's and planes in 1975 were evacuating embassy guards and personel as well as all the civilians they could manage. | Oct 21 23:56 |
| mutx | and why were they doing that if they won ? | Oct 21 23:57 |
| tessier | There was a riot at the embassy from all of the civilians trying to flee the communists. | Oct 21 23:57 |
| tessier | They had to go home at some point. | Oct 21 23:57 |
| mutx | you mean the communists that the US just won against ? | Oct 21 23:57 |
| mutx | how does that work. | Oct 21 23:57 |
| tessier | They US combat forces left in 1973 for the Vietnamese to finish the war due to the popular support issue. | Oct 21 23:58 |
| tessier | s/They/The/ | Oct 21 23:58 |
| fewa | agent orange for example | Oct 21 23:58 |
| fewa | destroy Vietnamese infrastructure and economy | Oct 21 23:59 |
| tessier | Agent Orange destroyed trees. It was sprayed only alongside roads. The idea was to stop the roadside ambushes. | Oct 21 23:59 |
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