| _Hicham_ | Diablo-D3 : do u remember how to write a file to disk in Java ? | Nov 09 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, I use nio2 for it | Nov 09 00:00 |
| _Hicham_ | no BufferedReader and BufferedWriter classes ? | Nov 09 00:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, nio2 has the byte channel stuff | Nov 09 00:01 |
| _Hicham_ | nio2 is from standard openjdk ? | Nov 09 00:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes. | Nov 09 00:02 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Listening to: http://bit.ly/kK5o9 - great stuff. | Nov 09 00:02 | |
| _goblin | laptopnenolod: Hi there jo... | Nov 09 00:02 |
| laptopnenolod | i'm not directhex | Nov 09 00:02 |
| _goblin | laptopnenolod: im sure. | Nov 09 00:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes not directhex | Nov 09 00:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes a troll, but you got the wrong one | Nov 09 00:03 |
| _goblin | aww don't say troll....thats my title! | Nov 09 00:03 |
| MinceR | you can't have that title | Nov 09 00:03 |
| MinceR | exclusively, that is | Nov 09 00:03 |
| MinceR | there are many trolls in the world | Nov 09 00:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, 3/4th of #bn are trolls | Nov 09 00:04 |
| MinceR | not really | Nov 09 00:04 |
| _Hicham_ | Diablo-D3 : are u sure of ur statistics ? | Nov 09 00:04 |
| _goblin | thats why Im a goblin....similar to a troll but far cuter and a cheeky chappie. | Nov 09 00:04 |
| williami | obvosuly not me | Nov 09 00:04 |
| MinceR | 3/4th of #bn don't even talk :> | Nov 09 00:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: the best kind of trolls. | Nov 09 00:04 |
| laptopnenolod | _goblin, you still haven't identified this demo | Nov 09 00:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | dohohoho | Nov 09 00:04 |
| MinceR | you keep using that word, Diablo-D3. i don't think it means what you think it means. :> | Nov 09 00:04 |
| _goblin | laptopnenolod: Why should I justify myself to you? Take my statement as a claim if you wish....but read it again... | Nov 09 00:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." | Nov 09 00:05 |
| oiaohm_ | Python is designed to be a language you cannot use if you don't obey formating syntax. | Nov 09 00:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you're going to quote it, do it right | Nov 09 00:05 |
| oiaohm_ | What makes is a great training language. | Nov 09 00:05 |
| _goblin | laptopnenold: I also repeatedly say I don't identify myself because of being targetted by vulgarity...thats why I use goblin. | Nov 09 00:05 |
| oiaohm_ | There is nothing worse than trying to debug code where 20 different formating styles have been used. | Nov 09 00:06 |
| _goblin | laptopnenold: haven't seen you here before though...trash articles? a growing readerbase of an average 400 a day say different... | Nov 09 00:06 |
| laptopnenolod | yes. articles where you trash things. | Nov 09 00:06 |
| _Hicham_ | i like the formatting idea | Nov 09 00:07 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm_, unless it's a one man project | Nov 09 00:07 |
| cubezzz | then shouldn't be a problem | Nov 09 00:07 |
| _Hicham_ | and in any way, we must have well formatted code | Nov 09 00:07 |
| _Hicham_ | to improve readability | Nov 09 00:07 |
| _goblin | laptopnenold: and lets not forget the celeb Indiana Gregg who visits and comments....she doesn't think it trash. | Nov 09 00:07 |
| _Hicham_ | humans are not compilers | Nov 09 00:07 |
| oiaohm_ | cubezzz: new people stating out don't have fixed syntax. I know when I look at some of my old basic code. | Nov 09 00:07 |
| oiaohm_ | python does make a good starting language to get use to coding in a fixed syntax. | Nov 09 00:08 |
| cubezzz | old as in line numbers? :) | Nov 09 00:08 |
| _goblin | laptopnenold: a celeb putting her name to a site that trashes things? I wouldn't think so...thats bad PR you know....Please though feel free to quote me where I have said anything untrue.....If you can't then its not trash is it? | Nov 09 00:08 |
| oiaohm_ | Should have been more correct old qbasic and other lineless basics cubezzz | Nov 09 00:08 |
| cubezzz | what do they start with in CS these days? | Nov 09 00:09 |
| _goblin | laptopnenold: however I am sorry if the things I say are uncomfortable for you. Honest held belief can be painful for some. | Nov 09 00:09 |
| oiaohm_ | python is a good starting. Since it gets you use to doing fixed style. | Nov 09 00:09 |
| oiaohm_ | It was purely designed to be the first language. | Nov 09 00:10 |
| laptopnenolod | _goblin, nevermind. you're not the idiot journalist who trashed audacious for "being unable to play MP3s on Fedora" | Nov 09 00:10 |
| oiaohm_ | Once you can do fixed style then move on to C or Java or PHP. Depending on what fields you are targeting. | Nov 09 00:10 |
| laptopnenolod | the first serious programming language i learned was REXX for Amiga :p | Nov 09 00:11 |
| cubezzz | another Amiga guy, wow :) | Nov 09 00:11 |
| laptopnenolod | i was 8. it seemed "serious" | Nov 09 00:11 |
| laptopnenolod | cubezzz, the world would be a much better place if Commodore didn't go under due to embezzlement issues | Nov 09 00:12 |
| cubezzz | there was Rexx on CMS on IBM 4381 | Nov 09 00:13 |
| laptopnenolod | well on the Amiga, REXX was like AppleScript or shell script | Nov 09 00:13 |
| cubezzz | yeah I'm an old old Commodore guy myself | Nov 09 00:13 |
| cubezzz | I started on the PET | Nov 09 00:13 |
| _goblin | laptopnenold: what on earth are you talking about? Are you saying you are wrong about my articles then? | Nov 09 00:14 |
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| cubezzz | the restructurced executor | Nov 09 00:15 |
| cubezzz | originated developed by IBM laptopnenolod | Nov 09 00:16 |
| cubezzz | originally | Nov 09 00:16 |
| laptopnenolod | _goblin, yes. sorry for the confusion. you're just some blogger. | Nov 09 00:16 |
| _goblin | laptopnenolod: lol....good backtrack | Nov 09 00:17 |
| laptopnenolod | couldn't care less about you. you haven't trashed my work in an actual printed magazine. | Nov 09 00:17 |
| laptopnenolod | because it "couldn't play MP3s on Fedora" | Nov 09 00:17 |
| _goblin | laptopnenolod: don't even know who you are... | Nov 09 00:17 |
| laptopnenolod | the same article came to the conclusion that "RealPlayer 8 for Linux is the best Linux media player." | Nov 09 00:17 |
| _goblin | laptopnenolod: yeah.......what on earth are you on about now? | Nov 09 00:18 |
| laptopnenolod | _goblin, some journalist for a german magazine called 'openbytes' | Nov 09 00:18 |
| laptopnenolod | actually they renamed it | Nov 09 00:18 |
| laptopnenolod | to something else now | Nov 09 00:18 |
| _goblin | laptopnenolod: of course....link? | Nov 09 00:19 |
| laptopnenolod | _goblin, go back to trolling directhex | Nov 09 00:19 |
| _goblin | laptopnenolod: lol | Nov 09 00:19 |
| laptopnenolod | _goblin, i'm boring. leave me alone. | Nov 09 00:19 |
| laptopnenolod | plus, i can't be assed to find the article | Nov 09 00:19 |
| cubezzz | I thought most Linux folks would just use mplayer | Nov 09 00:19 |
| laptopnenolod | it was really horrible | Nov 09 00:19 |
| _goblin | laptopnenolod: you've let yourself down. You were doing a good job of backtracking up until then. | Nov 09 00:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reader’s Post: “Microsoft and Unicode – #Unicode is No Longer Open Standard?” http://ping.fm/XmlI5 | Nov 09 00:21 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Readers Post: “Microsoft and Unicode Unicode is No Longer Open Standard?” | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 93.33 KB | Nov 09 00:21 |
| laptopnenolod | _goblin, i sure have! | Nov 09 00:22 |
| *laptopnenolod shrugs | Nov 09 00:22 | |
| _goblin | Does anyone have any links or info about a German magazine that allegedly used to be called Openbytes? Ive been searching google (and even Bing) and cannot find anything....I wonder why ;) | Nov 09 00:26 |
| _goblin | maybe I'll put a request out on Twitter....someone must know.... | Nov 09 00:26 |
| laptopnenolod | _goblin, www.openbytes.org leads to the publisher | Nov 09 00:27 |
| _goblin | Yep I saw that "Content Provider rund um Linux und Open Source Software." | Nov 09 00:31 |
| _goblin | wheres any reference to a mag called Openbytes... | Nov 09 00:31 |
| _goblin | thats what Im looking for. | Nov 09 00:32 |
| laptopnenolod | i do not recall if the magazine itself was called that or not | Nov 09 00:32 |
| _goblin | since you couldn't be bothered to back up your claim of a magazine, I wanted to do it for you... | Nov 09 00:32 |
| _goblin | lol | Nov 09 00:32 |
| _goblin | so its a mag that you mistook me for which may or may not be called openbytes and theres no reference that I can find on the net.... | Nov 09 00:33 |
| laptopnenolod | i just know that i heard of a great twitter flamewar, saw "openbytes" and thought you were the dumbass that thought realplayer 8 was great | Nov 09 00:33 |
| _goblin | thats cleared that one up then.... | Nov 09 00:33 |
| laptopnenolod | yeah. sorry for the flamewar :P | Nov 09 00:33 |
| laptopnenolod | mono sucks anyway | Nov 09 00:33 |
| laptopnenolod | also pulseaudio sucks | Nov 09 00:34 |
| _goblin | no it doesn't | Nov 09 00:34 |
| laptopnenolod | which doesn't? | Nov 09 00:34 |
| laptopnenolod | mono or pulseaudio? | Nov 09 00:34 |
| _goblin | Mono. | Nov 09 00:34 |
| laptopnenolod | because pulseaudio definitely sucks | Nov 09 00:34 |
| laptopnenolod | :p | Nov 09 00:34 |
| _goblin | Ive never said it does. | Nov 09 00:34 |
| laptopnenolod | yeah, mono has a pretty impressive jitter | Nov 09 00:34 |
| laptopnenolod | too bad it's patent encumbered | Nov 09 00:34 |
| laptopnenolod | and microsoft scares me a lot more than the mp3 guys | Nov 09 00:34 |
| _goblin | what I said was that my main problem with it was (like all the highlevel languages Python included) is that it deskills a generation of coders who will favor it in replacement of lower level languages.......the average "Highlevel coder" knows how to do something but not WHY it works. | Nov 09 00:35 |
| _goblin | (IMO) | Nov 09 00:35 |
| laptopnenolod | i think that lowlevel programming should be taught, but mostly as a way of understanding underlying theory | Nov 09 00:36 |
| _goblin | agreed... | Nov 09 00:36 |
| _goblin | but Mono and similar is not sold that way.... | Nov 09 00:36 |
| laptopnenolod | i don't think people should try to write realworld apps for the 21st century in a language that allows segfaults | Nov 09 00:36 |
| _goblin | find me a bedroom coder who will not want to jump in feet first... | Nov 09 00:36 |
| _goblin | its why AMOS was such a hit on the A500 | Nov 09 00:37 |
| _goblin | they did not want to learn 68k... | Nov 09 00:37 |
| _goblin | sure they could bounce a rasterbar in AMOS, but they had no understanding on why it worked and hence unable to escape from the confines/restrictions AMOS places on it. | Nov 09 00:38 |
| laptopnenolod | right | Nov 09 00:38 |
| _goblin | same on the PC with Blitz and Dbpro..... | Nov 09 00:38 |
| _goblin | they want it all, they want it now... | Nov 09 00:39 |
| _goblin | and if they are not David Braben in 2 weeks they are not interested... | Nov 09 00:39 |
| _goblin | * sorry dbpro = Darkbasic Pro | Nov 09 00:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Is #Microsoft #Lobbying to Burn #Sun ? http://ping.fm/CzkUn | Nov 09 00:43 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Is Microsoft Lobbying to Burn Sun? | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 93.88 KB | Nov 09 00:43 |
| oiaohm_ | Of course it is schestowitz | Nov 09 00:44 |
| laptopnenolod | I wonder what Oracle will do with Solaris now | Nov 09 00:45 |
| oiaohm_ | Sun is a big thorn to MS closing there network protocals. | Nov 09 00:45 |
| _Hicham_ | http://git.gnome.org/cgit/gtkglext-sharp/ | Nov 09 00:45 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: gtkglext-sharp - Please create gtkglext-sharp.doap (see http://live.gnome.org/Git/FAQ) .::. Size~: 8.71 KB | Nov 09 00:46 |
| _Hicham_ | Oracle will continue Sun's policy | Nov 09 00:46 |
| oiaohm_ | laptopnenolod: Oracle has used Solaris for years as a development platform. | Nov 09 00:50 |
| oiaohm_ | Not like they are going to stop doing that over night. | Nov 09 00:51 |
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| laptopnenolod | well the main issue is | Nov 09 00:51 |
| laptopnenolod | Linux is kinda sucking these days | Nov 09 00:51 |
| laptopnenolod | so it'd be nice if OpenSolaris provided real competition where the BSDs have mostly not | Nov 09 00:52 |
| oiaohm_ | Linux internals has always suxed. Thoses are being sorted out. | Nov 09 00:53 |
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| oiaohm_ | Solaris core need a lot of work to scale like the Linux kernel laptopnenolod | Nov 09 00:53 |
| oiaohm_ | Linux is needing work to clean out locking issues that Solarias has never had. | Nov 09 00:54 |
| oiaohm_ | Biggest issue with Solaris is lack of hardware support. | Nov 09 00:55 |
| laptopnenolod | the main issue with Linux is the way i/o is handled | Nov 09 00:55 |
| laptopnenolod | it's so broken | Nov 09 00:55 |
| laptopnenolod | there is no such thing as iowait on AIX or Solaris or VMS | Nov 09 00:56 |
| oiaohm_ | Have you been watching what areas are being fixed laptopnenolod in the Linux kernel. | Nov 09 00:58 |
| laptopnenolod | oiaohm_, still waiting on Xen dom0 support :p | Nov 09 00:58 |
| oiaohm_ | Kinda pointless that laptopnenolod | Nov 09 00:59 |
| oiaohm_ | Xen does not support page compression laptopnenolod | Nov 09 00:59 |
| laptopnenolod | oiaohm_, yes, but i have had infrastructure running Xen for years now. | Nov 09 00:59 |
| oiaohm_ | KSM with KVM reduced memory foot print of virtual machines. | Nov 09 00:59 |
| laptopnenolod | oiaohm_, that doesn't matter to me. i have a *mainframe* | Nov 09 01:00 |
| oiaohm_ | It should. | Nov 09 01:00 |
| oiaohm_ | Allows you to run more. | Nov 09 01:00 |
| laptopnenolod | oiaohm_, i don't want to run more if it means performance degredation. | Nov 09 01:00 |
| oiaohm_ | KSM does not take a performance hit laptopnenolod | Nov 09 01:00 |
| laptopnenolod | oiaohm_, also, the only way KVM is a starter for me is with xenner | Nov 09 01:00 |
| laptopnenolod | KVM standalone is a no-go. we don't want the overhead of fully virtualized machines. | Nov 09 01:01 |
| oiaohm_ | KVM supports all the bypasses XEN does these days. | Nov 09 01:01 |
| laptopnenolod | oiaohm_, too bad that it requires firmware to boot a domain. | Nov 09 01:02 |
| laptopnenolod | oiaohm_, let me know when you don't have to have a virtual BIOS. | Nov 09 01:02 |
| laptopnenolod | i love talking to armchair virtualization experts, but frankly, you're armchair virtualization experts and you don't know what the realworld needs | Nov 09 01:03 |
| laptopnenolod | KVM is not enterprise stuff | Nov 09 01:03 |
| laptopnenolod | not yet anyway | Nov 09 01:03 |
| laptopnenolod | it uses QEMU ffs | Nov 09 01:03 |
| oiaohm_ | So you mean lguest that you can use with KSM as well laptopnenolod | Nov 09 01:03 |
| oiaohm_ | Running windows or Xen you end up back at KVM level anyhow. | Nov 09 01:03 |
| laptopnenolod | oiaohm_, i need support for more than what lguest can do. but lguest is indeed interesting. | Nov 09 01:03 |
| laptopnenolod | oiaohm_, no you don't | Nov 09 01:04 |
| oiaohm_ | Yes you do. | Nov 09 01:04 |
| laptopnenolod | oiaohm_, Xen PV domains do not require VT-X | Nov 09 01:04 |
| oiaohm_ | Windows will not start without fake bios. | Nov 09 01:04 |
| laptopnenolod | don't believe the fud | Nov 09 01:04 |
| laptopnenolod | so then that 'or' should be an 'on | Nov 09 01:04 |
| laptopnenolod | ' ? | Nov 09 01:04 |
| laptopnenolod | because we do not run Windows on Xen. | Nov 09 01:04 |
| oiaohm_ | lguest is the one that need to be expanded to replace Linux running guests. | Nov 09 01:05 |
| laptopnenolod | we have 100s of PVM Linux, NetBSD and Solaris guests | Nov 09 01:05 |
| laptopnenolod | lguest only handles the 1st OS | Nov 09 01:05 |
| oiaohm_ | Not true. | Nov 09 01:05 |
| oiaohm_ | lguest has BSD and Solaris support. | Nov 09 01:06 |
| laptopnenolod | URL? | Nov 09 01:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Lobbying Leads to Protest — the #FFII and the #FSFE Rise in Opposition to Subverted #EIF http://ping.fm/RzVm4 | Nov 09 01:07 | |
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| oiaohm_ | lguest is using the paravirt_ops interface laptopnenolod. It can load only kernel supporting that cleanly laptopnenolod | Nov 09 01:11 |
| laptopnenolod | oiaohm_, i don't think you understand what paravirt_ops is :s | Nov 09 01:11 |
| oiaohm_ | BSD and Solarias has been loaded in it in the past. | Nov 09 01:11 |
| laptopnenolod | oiaohm_, yes. using xenner. | Nov 09 01:11 |
| oiaohm_ | No xenner does not run in Lguest | Nov 09 01:12 |
| laptopnenolod | oiaohm_, i see nothing indicating that you can build netbsd with lguest entrypoint support | Nov 09 01:12 |
| oiaohm_ | lguest entry points are not unque. laptopnenolod | Nov 09 01:14 |
| laptopnenolod | oiaohm_, yes they are | Nov 09 01:15 |
| oiaohm_ | paravirt_ops interface to its full level how is that unique thinking more than one hypervisor implement it. | Nov 09 01:19 |
| oiaohm_ | Idea of paravirt_ops is that OS's don't have to have unique interfaces for every hypervisor they are sitting on. | Nov 09 01:22 |
| oiaohm_ | OS that loads in lguest also loads in vmware without issue. Same interfaces laptopnenolod exist on both. Xen support if it has been dicy so you might think its some how special. | Nov 09 01:28 |
| laptopnenolod | again, paravirt_ops only applies to LINUX. | Nov 09 01:31 |
| laptopnenolod | it's a LINUX technology. | Nov 09 01:31 |
| laptopnenolod | and if you believe otherwise, then you are misinformed | Nov 09 01:31 |
| laptopnenolod | FURTHER, the paravirt_ops vtables are "patched" at RUNTIME. | Nov 09 01:32 |
| laptopnenolod | which means that DIFFERENT EXECUTION PATHS ARE TAKEN | Nov 09 01:32 |
| laptopnenolod | to get to the code that patches the appropriate vtables | Nov 09 01:32 |
| laptopnenolod | be that on vmware with a simple probe that happens during baremetal init | Nov 09 01:32 |
| laptopnenolod | or with a special entrypoint (under, e.g. a fully paravirtual system, like lguest or Xen) | Nov 09 01:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla and #Opera Still Object to #Microsoft ’s Deal with the #Commission http://ping.fm/xca9t | Nov 09 01:37 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Mozilla and Opera Still Object to Microsofts Deal with the Commission | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 97.69 KB | Nov 09 01:37 |
| oiaohm_ | laptopnenolod: ok there are is set of patches for paravirt_ops for freebsd and opensolarias That is what I was thinking that make it working under lguest has not been maintained. | Nov 09 01:47 |
| laptopnenolod | oiaohm_, well yes. paravirt_ops is the logical way to implement this sort of feature | Nov 09 01:48 |
| laptopnenolod | so it does not surprise me that other systems have similar technology | Nov 09 01:48 |
| laptopnenolod | that does not mean that they support lguest or xen or kvm or $thing though | Nov 09 01:49 |
| oiaohm_ | lguest was first built to test the idea of the paravirt_ops struct. | Nov 09 01:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Wow...what a busy evening..I think its time to call it a day...1:43am :( Think I'll end on a little quote....... | Nov 09 01:51 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] "How are the mighty fallen in the midst of the battle! O Jonathan, thou wast slain in thine high places." - 1:25 | Nov 09 01:51 | |
| oiaohm_ | So yes at first it had BSD Solarias and other OS's patched in running on top of it. | Nov 09 01:51 |
| oiaohm_ | Before lguest it was very much every hypervisor its own interface tech. | Nov 09 01:52 |
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| oiaohm_ | Really the paravirt_ops struct is cleaner than what Xen was doing. At least a paravirt_ops kernel can still boot without hypervisor if required. laptopnenolod | Nov 09 01:58 |
| laptopnenolod | oiaohm_, i don't think anyone has anything positive to say about the crap that XenSource has provided. | Nov 09 02:00 |
| laptopnenolod | oiaohm_, i'm waiting for the pvops Xen dom0 to be merged :) | Nov 09 02:00 |
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| laptopnenolod | novell people don't want that by the way | Nov 09 02:00 |
| laptopnenolod | so... as good novell haters | Nov 09 02:01 |
| laptopnenolod | you should want that | Nov 09 02:01 |
| *laptopnenolod nods. | Nov 09 02:01 | |
| oiaohm_ | Developers are developers. | Nov 09 02:02 |
| oiaohm_ | Does not matter who they are from they can be right. | Nov 09 02:02 |
| oiaohm_ | Rusty who is majorally against sections of the Xen way is from IBM laptopnenolod | Nov 09 02:03 |
| laptopnenolod | who cares | Nov 09 02:03 |
| laptopnenolod | Xen exists, people use it | Nov 09 02:04 |
| laptopnenolod | other garbage has been merged for the same reason | Nov 09 02:04 |
| laptopnenolod | you are right, Xen is not perfect, but lguest did not exist at the time that Xen did | Nov 09 02:04 |
| laptopnenolod | and lguest does not support other OS | Nov 09 02:05 |
| laptopnenolod | at least, not upstream | Nov 09 02:05 |
| oiaohm_ | Not upstream is correct. | Nov 09 02:05 |
| laptopnenolod | and KVM, that's fully virtualized | Nov 09 02:05 |
| oiaohm_ | KVM is mixture. | Nov 09 02:05 |
| laptopnenolod | the best you can get there is virtio | Nov 09 02:05 |
| laptopnenolod | it's not like logical domains on a SPARC, for example | Nov 09 02:05 |
| laptopnenolod | so really, Xen provides a different solution than lguest and KVM do | Nov 09 02:06 |
| oiaohm_ | Xen is not alone about being walled either. | Nov 09 02:06 |
| oiaohm_ | openvz has also been walled. | Nov 09 02:06 |
| laptopnenolod | openvz is not walled | Nov 09 02:06 |
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| laptopnenolod | it's running on the goddamned host kernel | Nov 09 02:06 |
| oiaohm_ | It was. | Nov 09 02:06 |
| laptopnenolod | when? | Nov 09 02:06 |
| laptopnenolod | never is when. | Nov 09 02:06 |
| oiaohm_ | I mean walled from entering main line kernel laptopnenolod | Nov 09 02:07 |
| laptopnenolod | oh. | Nov 09 02:07 |
| laptopnenolod | well. | Nov 09 02:07 |
| laptopnenolod | as long as xen.git exists | Nov 09 02:07 |
| laptopnenolod | that's fine | Nov 09 02:07 |
| oiaohm_ | All systems like openvz are having to form a common standard to get in. | Nov 09 02:07 |
| laptopnenolod | doesn't matter to me | Nov 09 02:07 |
| laptopnenolod | i prefer linux-vserver for as far as jail clones go | Nov 09 02:07 |
| laptopnenolod | :) | Nov 09 02:08 |
| oiaohm_ | A long time ago anything got in. | Nov 09 02:08 |
| oiaohm_ | vserver and openvz are working to form the common standard. | Nov 09 02:08 |
| oiaohm_ | Both are walled from entry. | Nov 09 02:08 |
| oiaohm_ | It about long term maintainer ship of the code. | Nov 09 02:08 |
| laptopnenolod | i dont know how relevant dom0 support will be anyway | Nov 09 02:08 |
| laptopnenolod | i think it will make it upstream | Nov 09 02:09 |
| oiaohm_ | Most the the Linux kernel developers have learn the hard way letting anything leads to pain. | Nov 09 02:09 |
| laptopnenolod | because in Xen 4.0 | Nov 09 02:09 |
| laptopnenolod | it's all going to be HVM | Nov 09 02:09 |
| laptopnenolod | i don't think i will be running Xen 4.0 though :) | Nov 09 02:09 |
| oiaohm_ | Dom0 biggest problems have been that kernels patched to be it only run in 1 place. | Nov 09 02:09 |
| laptopnenolod | anyway | Nov 09 02:11 |
| oiaohm_ | Linux developers don't want to open the flood gates again like they did in some areas and end up with multi systems doing the same thing. | Nov 09 02:11 |
| oiaohm_ | You have to be truthful lot of mess in the Linux kernel has been caused by that laptopnenolod | Nov 09 02:11 |
| laptopnenolod | oiaohm_, it has | Nov 09 02:12 |
| laptopnenolod | i think Xen dom0 will make it upstream though | Nov 09 02:12 |
| oiaohm_ | At some point the developers had to jack up. | Nov 09 02:12 |
| laptopnenolod | if Citrix is as evil as schestowitz says they are, they will just put a hole in Ingo Molnar's head | Nov 09 02:12 |
| laptopnenolod | problem solved | Nov 09 02:12 |
| oiaohm_ | Started with openvz and vserver | Nov 09 02:13 |
| oiaohm_ | Getting walled and cgroups having to be formed. | Nov 09 02:13 |
| oiaohm_ | Then Xen came along after that. | Nov 09 02:13 |
| schestowitz | laptopnenolod: watch the language | Nov 09 02:14 |
| laptopnenolod | well like i said | Nov 09 02:14 |
| oiaohm_ | The cost of cleaning things up laptopnenolod | Nov 09 02:15 |
| oiaohm_ | Some pain. | Nov 09 02:15 |
| laptopnenolod | the dom0 stuff is just mostly drivers anyway | Nov 09 02:16 |
| laptopnenolod | it is really too bad that Citrix took over Xen though | Nov 09 02:16 |
| oiaohm_ | Good and bad. | Nov 09 02:17 |
| oiaohm_ | Citrix put more presure on to merge mainline. | Nov 09 02:17 |
| oiaohm_ | Compared to where Xen was happy to sit as a side tree. | Nov 09 02:17 |
| laptopnenolod | yeah they could just shoot the guy blocking it :P | Nov 09 02:17 |
| laptopnenolod | nah | Nov 09 02:17 |
| laptopnenolod | i don't think Citrix is *that* evil | Nov 09 02:18 |
| oiaohm_ | I can understand both sides. | Nov 09 02:18 |
| laptopnenolod | schestowitz, what language? | Nov 09 02:18 |
| oiaohm_ | Linux developers not wanting to take it because its not nice and standard so it will risk more junk in kernel in future to support other hypervisors. | Nov 09 02:18 |
| laptopnenolod | oiaohm_, the pvops dom0 stuff is literally just drivers | Nov 09 02:19 |
| oiaohm_ | Last time I looked there was a segment that was not a loadable module laptopnenolod. | Nov 09 02:22 |
| oiaohm_ | That had to be built in the main kernel image. | Nov 09 02:22 |
| oiaohm_ | Have they resolved that laptopnenolod ? | Nov 09 02:22 |
| oiaohm_ | Ie its that bit that is the sticking point because it was blocking the kernel loading native or other hypervisors. | Nov 09 02:23 |
| laptopnenolod | oiaohm_, xen.git loads native just fine | Nov 09 02:24 |
| oiaohm_ | So they recoded that head ache out. | Nov 09 02:24 |
| laptopnenolod | i think the xenbus driver has to be static, but it doesn't fuck up native loading anymore | Nov 09 02:25 |
| laptopnenolod | er | Nov 09 02:25 |
| laptopnenolod | language | Nov 09 02:25 |
| laptopnenolod | :( | Nov 09 02:25 |
| oiaohm_ | Right context at least. | Nov 09 02:26 |
| laptopnenolod | i think you get an error about it though | Nov 09 02:26 |
| laptopnenolod | like | Nov 09 02:26 |
| laptopnenolod | xenbus probe failed error -19 | Nov 09 02:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows Back Doors Spin Out of Control, End up in Black Market http://ping.fm/3ViJ2 | Nov 09 02:26 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Windows Back Doors Spin Out of Control, End up in Black Market | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 100.9 KB | Nov 09 02:26 |
| laptopnenolod | i'm about 3000 miles from my house | Nov 09 02:26 |
| oiaohm_ | Ok still will have Linux kernel developers upset. They want error less so people don't contact tech support and the like without need but at least they are getting closer laptopnenolod | Nov 09 02:27 |
| laptopnenolod | oiaohm_, they'll just make it not print an error :D | Nov 09 02:27 |
| oiaohm_ | Most likely they would prefer partvirt_opt activated laptopnenolod | Nov 09 02:28 |
| laptopnenolod | well right | Nov 09 02:28 |
| laptopnenolod | i meant if it was running native | Nov 09 02:28 |
| oiaohm_ | So it not probing on systems without need. | Nov 09 02:29 |
| oiaohm_ | So it cannot upset hypervisors. And same kernel can be used for dom0 and subdomains cleanly as well. | Nov 09 02:29 |
| laptopnenolod | yeah i agree | Nov 09 02:29 |
| laptopnenolod | it'll happen soon | Nov 09 02:30 |
| oiaohm_ | Basically Linux kernel developers have very correct reasons to be walling Xen. | Nov 09 02:30 |
| laptopnenolod | but Xen is doing some sort of HybridPV thing now | Nov 09 02:30 |
| laptopnenolod | which i think will do dom0 | Nov 09 02:30 |
| oiaohm_ | Now if it was just hate of Xen it self I would be out to kill them. | Nov 09 02:31 |
| oiaohm_ | Tech reason ok just have to be fixed. | Nov 09 02:31 |
| laptopnenolod | some people do hate Xen | Nov 09 02:31 |
| laptopnenolod | if you havent noticed, everytime they try to merge | Nov 09 02:31 |
| laptopnenolod | the KVM guys come in and start trashing | Nov 09 02:31 |
| laptopnenolod | they're doing that to keep Xen out because they don't want it :p | Nov 09 02:31 |
| oiaohm_ | That is part caused. | Nov 09 02:31 |
| oiaohm_ | When KVM was trying to merge XEN developers did the same thing. | Nov 09 02:32 |
| laptopnenolod | yeah | Nov 09 02:33 |
| laptopnenolod | trashing other people's stuff is lame | Nov 09 02:33 |
| oiaohm_ | Basically be a asshole it comes back. | Nov 09 02:33 |
| oiaohm_ | In the Linux world. | Nov 09 02:33 |
| oiaohm_ | Normally 1000 times worse. | Nov 09 02:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Zoiks! Just paid for my first android application. | Nov 09 02:33 | |
| laptopnenolod | that said | Nov 09 02:33 |
| laptopnenolod | i prefer the Xen design over the KVM design. | Nov 09 02:34 |
| oiaohm_ | Both have there place. | Nov 09 02:34 |
| laptopnenolod | the whole notion of having a hypervisor inside the kernel seems "wrong" | Nov 09 02:34 |
| oiaohm_ | KVM is handy since if you start a system without hyperviser then need to run something you can. | Nov 09 02:34 |
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| oiaohm_ | Same with lguest for paravirt | Nov 09 02:35 |
| laptopnenolod | yeah but i don't really consider KVM to be the same as Xen | Nov 09 02:35 |
| laptopnenolod | many do | Nov 09 02:35 |
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| willimm | hey everyone | Nov 09 02:36 |
| laptopnenolod | hi | Nov 09 02:36 |
| willimm | hey everyone | Nov 09 02:37 |
| willimm | ... | Nov 09 02:38 |
| laptopnenolod | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/08/cofee-leaks/ | Nov 09 02:38 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Windows Back Doors Spin Out of Control, End up in Black Market | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 100.9 KB | Nov 09 02:38 |
| laptopnenolod | that's... not good... | Nov 09 02:38 |
| oiaohm_ | Xen still depends on a OS kernel for support of hardware laptopnenolod. One is layer 1 hypervisor one is a layer 2 hypervisors laptopnenolod Problem here layer 2 can recycle everything from the OS and is directy dependant on the Host OS for quality. laptopnenolod | Nov 09 02:38 |
| willimm | schestowiz: hey | Nov 09 02:38 |
| oiaohm_ | Hi willimm | Nov 09 02:39 |
| willimm | hey | Nov 09 02:39 |
| laptopnenolod | oiaohm_, yeah. i know. like i said, xenner is pretty close to an alternative of what i want. | Nov 09 02:39 |
| oiaohm_ | So far no one is 100 percent sure if layer 1 or Layer 2 will win out in the end or if both will dead heat off each other. Nice would be shared migration system between the two. | Nov 09 02:40 |
| oiaohm_ | Basically I want to see way more standisation laptopnenolod | Nov 09 02:41 |
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| cubezzz | hmmm, Bruce is on the job | Nov 09 02:52 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @singlepayer: RT @Shoq: Why The Bush Administration DID NOT TORTURE, by John Yoo #worldsthinnestbooks #p2 #tcot | Nov 09 02:53 | |
| _Hicham_ | who is that Bruce | Nov 09 02:56 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Schneier | Nov 09 02:59 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Bruce Schneier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 43.51 KB | Nov 09 02:59 |
| fewa | http://www.schneierfacts.com/ | Nov 09 03:00 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Bruce Schneier Facts .::. Size~: 2.54 KB | Nov 09 03:00 |
| fewa | --Bruce Schneier knows Alice and Bob's shared secret. | Nov 09 03:01 |
| laptopnenolod | night | Nov 09 03:04 |
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| schestowitz | nn | Nov 09 03:10 |
| schestowitz | I'll stay up for a while | Nov 09 03:10 |
| schestowitz | Still a little depressed cause of that film..... | Nov 09 03:10 |
| cubezzz | hmm? | Nov 09 03:11 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : which film ? | Nov 09 03:13 |
| _Hicham_ | the nuclear war ? | Nov 09 03:13 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is depressed because he want a fight | Nov 09 03:16 |
| _Hicham_ | let's get a fight, that way u won't be depressed | Nov 09 03:16 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : Windows 7 lands in Morocco | Nov 09 03:19 |
| cubezzz | you know, I don't think enough is said about being about to compile or add/remove almost any part of the GNU/Linux system | Nov 09 03:23 |
| cubezzz | you get windows 7 or whatever version, and that's it, you're stuck with it | Nov 09 03:24 |
| cubezzz | I thought all the windows back to win95 were all memory pigs | Nov 09 03:27 |
| cubezzz | yes, now we have tons of memory but.. it seems it's largely wasted | Nov 09 03:28 |
| Eruaran | You should see the emails I'm looking at right now | Nov 09 03:30 |
| Eruaran | rofl | Nov 09 03:30 |
| Eruaran | Windows 7 not working with Dlink or Netgear wirless cards | Nov 09 03:31 |
| cubezzz | I'm convinced already :) | Nov 09 03:31 |
| Eruaran | " | Nov 09 03:32 |
| Eruaran | "Netgear & Dlink standard wireless network card doesn’t work with window 7. Expect the new WN…type but cost more" | Nov 09 03:32 |
| Eruaran | "TP Link standard wireless card worked!" | Nov 09 03:32 |
| Eruaran | lol | Nov 09 03:32 |
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| Eruaran | reply from head office: "D-Link DWA-520 works natively with Win 7" | Nov 09 03:32 |
| Eruaran | reply: "The DWA-510 & WG311 both 54Mbps cards didn’t work .Need to work out to get the 54Mbps works with window 7 then." | Nov 09 03:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows #Mobile Down to Single-Digit Market Share as #Linux Grows http://ping.fm/Dhguy | Nov 09 03:35 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Windows Mobile Down to Single-Digit Market Share as Linux Grows | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 93.71 KB | Nov 09 03:35 |
| _Hicham_ | Windows 7 works with everythings | Nov 09 03:35 |
| _Hicham_ | without any driver | Nov 09 03:35 |
| _Hicham_ | GNU recommends Windows 7 | Nov 09 03:36 |
| _Hicham_ | "GNU Windows 7 Capable" | Nov 09 03:36 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: thanks. Added to the list. | Nov 09 03:37 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: is it pronounced "new WIndows"? | Nov 09 03:37 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : I am gonna start a marketing campaign in Morocco of Windows 7 | Nov 09 03:38 |
| cubezzz | dozers :) | Nov 09 03:38 |
| cubezzz | don't be a dozer! | Nov 09 03:38 |
| _Hicham_ | poor Windows, attacked every day | Nov 09 03:38 |
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| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : do u think that Windows 7 will have a success in here ? | Nov 09 03:40 |
| cubezzz | no, for several reasons | Nov 09 03:42 |
| cubezzz | ecomony = poor | Nov 09 03:43 |
| cubezzz | people = sick of the status quo | Nov 09 03:43 |
| cubezzz | windows = additional expense | Nov 09 03:43 |
| cubezzz | os = lots of good choices | Nov 09 03:43 |
| cubezzz | old system of boxed software is declining | Nov 09 03:44 |
| _Hicham_ | and Canonical is sending CDs for Free | Nov 09 03:46 |
| _Hicham_ | cubezzz : Fedora is also sending CDs for free | Nov 09 03:46 |
| cubezzz | oh, Fedora too? Didn't know that | Nov 09 03:48 |
| _Hicham_ | http://www.moheet.com/image/67/225-300/674527.jpg | Nov 09 03:48 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Nov 09 03:48 |
| _Hicham_ | a mouse from OpenOffice with 18 buttons | Nov 09 03:48 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : u should get that mouse | Nov 09 03:49 |
| Balrog_ | that's so convoluted :( | Nov 09 03:49 |
| _Hicham_ | Balrog_ : convolution in Digital Signal Processing terminology ? | Nov 09 03:50 |
| Balrog_ | lol no | Nov 09 03:50 |
| Balrog_ | though I know what convolution is, in differential equations :) | Nov 09 03:50 |
| Balrog_ | I've done it | Nov 09 03:50 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: Vista 7 doesn't matter. It's broken. | Nov 09 03:50 |
| schestowitz | Vista 8 will fix everything! | Nov 09 03:50 |
| schestowitz | Out real soon now! | Nov 09 03:50 |
| schestowitz | 128-bit.. | Nov 09 03:51 |
| schestowitz | Just wait with Microsoft | Nov 09 03:51 |
| Balrog_ | heh, I installed 7 on my second partition | Nov 09 03:51 |
| schestowitz | They have WinFS coming... in 2003 | Nov 09 03:51 |
| Eruaran | As a side note, Netgear wireless cards work with popular Linux distros without the user needing to do anything. | Nov 09 03:51 |
| oiaohm_ | Everyone does not think in resources. | Nov 09 03:51 |
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| Balrog_ | mainly to rip DVDs and for games | Nov 09 03:51 |
| cubezzz | just wait until they sell their shares? | Nov 09 03:51 |
| oiaohm_ | Linux growth is directly linked to the resources it has. | Nov 09 03:51 |
| Eruaran | 2003 called | Nov 09 03:51 |
| _Hicham_ | I would buy those shares | Nov 09 03:51 |
| Eruaran | They want their vaporware back | Nov 09 03:51 |
| Balrog_ | I'm tired of corrupt DVDs :( | Nov 09 03:52 |
| Balrog_ | like that GI Joe movie | Nov 09 03:52 |
| _Hicham_ | linux has a lot of resources oiaohm_ | Nov 09 03:52 |
| oiaohm_ | _Hicham_: Break it down into areas. | Nov 09 03:52 |
| oiaohm_ | Server side growth of Linux has been the glut of its resoures. | Nov 09 03:52 |
| _Hicham_ | of course, since it is backed up by RedHat and Novell | Nov 09 03:53 |
| oiaohm_ | Now Linux taking off in embeded items with screens that will increase the resources for graphical development. | Nov 09 03:53 |
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| oiaohm_ | The battle royal is coming all right. _Hicham_ | Nov 09 03:53 |
| _Hicham_ | linux is conquering embedded market | Nov 09 03:54 |
| oiaohm_ | That will feed the resources for Linux to attack the desktop market _Hicham_ | Nov 09 03:54 |
| oiaohm_ | I really would not want to be MS. | Nov 09 03:54 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : what do u think about that ? http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/11/the_patented_18_button_openoffice_m.html | Nov 09 03:54 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Make: Online : The patented 18 button OpenOffice mouse? .::. Size~: 57.5 KB | Nov 09 03:54 |
| _Hicham_ | Desktop Market is a little bit tricky | Nov 09 03:55 |
| _Hicham_ | but GNOME plans are pleasant | Nov 09 03:55 |
| oiaohm_ | KDE also has plans. | Nov 09 03:55 |
| _Hicham_ | they want everythings to fade into a monolithic OS | Nov 09 03:55 |
| _Hicham_ | so that the end user won't have to know what is a kernel | Nov 09 03:56 |
| _Hicham_ | an X server, or a DE,DM or WM | Nov 09 03:56 |
| _Hicham_ | the user will have finally a transparent experience | Nov 09 03:56 |
| _Hicham_ | like if he is on Windows or MacOS | Nov 09 03:57 |
| oiaohm_ | http://openofficemouse.com/game_list.html << Notice the support games _Hicham_ | Nov 09 03:58 |
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| oiaohm_ | _Hicham_: What is the big problem with monolithic _Hicham_ | Nov 09 03:59 |
| Eruaran | KDE plans to have Plasma and widgets running everywhere | Nov 09 03:59 |
| oiaohm_ | KDE has shared data engines for applications as well Eruaran | Nov 09 03:59 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : no problem for me, except making maitainance harder | Nov 09 03:59 |
| oiaohm_ | So user can change programs and have there information following. | Nov 09 03:59 |
| Eruaran | Your desktop, your smartphone, your wall, your car dashboard, chest using your left nipple for configuration options | Nov 09 04:00 |
| oiaohm_ | KDE will make the OS under it less important. Note that KDE is already cross platform _Hicham_ | Nov 09 04:01 |
| oiaohm_ | Gnome has not made the move to intergrate with Windows yet. | Nov 09 04:01 |
| Eruaran | I've already seen KDE widgets on Maemo | Nov 09 04:01 |
| oiaohm_ | KDE is not about making 1 OS. | Nov 09 04:01 |
| oiaohm_ | Its about unifing them all. | Nov 09 04:01 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : gnome is also taking that way | Nov 09 04:02 |
| Eruaran | One shell to rule them all | Nov 09 04:02 |
| Eruaran | ;) | Nov 09 04:02 |
| oiaohm_ | _Hicham_: Most of gnome heading that way is gnome following KDE intergration projects. | Nov 09 04:04 |
| oiaohm_ | One of the widget prototypes is fun. Transfer widget from machine to machine without it stoping. | Nov 09 04:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Phone to Avoid: LG GW620 http://ping.fm/04rUg | Nov 09 04:07 | |
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| Eruaran | I have a question | Nov 09 04:08 |
| Eruaran | Who would buy an LG phone anyway ? | Nov 09 04:08 |
| Eruaran | I mean seriously, do you know anyone who has an LG phone ? | Nov 09 04:08 |
| schestowitz | Nop | Nov 09 04:08 |
| cubezzz | no | Nov 09 04:09 |
| schestowitz | I think it's bigger in Asia | Nov 09 04:09 |
| Eruaran | It it not just a very uncool idea to buy a phone thats branded LG ? | Nov 09 04:09 |
| Eruaran | ;) | Nov 09 04:09 |
| schestowitz | anyway, gn | Nov 09 04:09 |
| Eruaran | Android will win over the iPhone | Nov 09 04:09 |
| Eruaran | Here's why | Nov 09 04:09 |
| Eruaran | The robot is cuter than the Apple | Nov 09 04:09 |
| Eruaran | ;) | Nov 09 04:09 |
| Eruaran | You know its true | Nov 09 04:10 |
| oiaohm_ | LG are not that low in Australia selling either. | Nov 09 04:10 |
| oiaohm_ | They are fairly cheep compared to a lot of others. | Nov 09 04:10 |
| Eruaran | That Android mascot is almost cuddly | Nov 09 04:10 |
| Eruaran | I don't know anyone who has an LG phone here | Nov 09 04:11 |
| cubezzz | don't like LG stuff | Nov 09 04:11 |
| Eruaran | Maybe they are the subhuman types from the bad part of town | Nov 09 04:11 |
| Eruaran | When I think LG I think whitegoods. | Nov 09 04:12 |
| Eruaran | Or maybe tv or monitor. | Nov 09 04:12 |
| Eruaran | But that's it. | Nov 09 04:12 |
| cubezzz | they also make mp3 players | Nov 09 04:13 |
| Eruaran | oh noes | Nov 09 04:13 |
| Eruaran | now that's way uncool territory | Nov 09 04:13 |
| Eruaran | Imagine a teen making the choice | Nov 09 04:14 |
| Eruaran | "iPod touch or LG... hmmm I dunno its so hard to choose !" | Nov 09 04:14 |
| Eruaran | Does it blend ? | Nov 09 04:14 |
| Eruaran | ;) | Nov 09 04:15 |
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| Eruaran | oh Quassel | Nov 09 04:19 |
| Eruaran | I rather like Quassel | Nov 09 04:19 |
| Eruaran | But I still have a soft spot for Konversation | Nov 09 04:20 |
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| _Hicham_ | damonfc is silent | Nov 09 04:22 |
| _Hicham_ | maybe he is planning a coup | Nov 09 04:22 |
| Eruaran | >_> | Nov 09 04:23 |
| Omar87 | Hi all. | Nov 09 04:32 |
| Omar87 | Guys, can my dream ever come true? | Nov 09 04:33 |
| Omar87 | I'm dreaming of a university that uses nothing at all in all its courses, faculties, firms and divisions other than Free And Open Source Software. | Nov 09 04:34 |
| oiaohm_ | It has been true in the past and most likely will be true again Omar87 | Nov 09 04:41 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm_: I really hope so. | Nov 09 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, Nope, I'm planning what to have for my midnight snack | Nov 09 04:41 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm_: specifically here in Jordan. But of course in the whole world in general. | Nov 09 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | followed by if I want to take my shower now or in the morning | Nov 09 04:42 |
| oiaohm_ | Remember closed source software is really a fairly new idea Omar87 | Nov 09 04:42 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm_: true. | Nov 09 04:42 |
| _Hicham_ | I invented closed source software | Nov 09 04:42 |
| oiaohm_ | Closed source depends on the means to keep secrets. | Nov 09 04:43 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm_: too bad it dominated the world in such disgustingly fast speed. | Nov 09 04:43 |
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| oiaohm_ | Omar87: It can reverse at equal speed. | Nov 09 04:53 |
| oiaohm_ | If items like reactos ever get good enough big bad things to windows market would happen quicky. | Nov 09 04:54 |
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| Omar87 | oiaohm_: true. | Nov 09 05:15 |
| Eruaran | I suddenly have a desire to play with an A1200 | Nov 09 05:21 |
| Eruaran | It hits me once in a while | Nov 09 05:21 |
| Eruaran | It will pass | Nov 09 05:21 |
| *Eruaran waits | Nov 09 05:21 | |
| Eruaran | sigh, there it goes | Nov 09 05:25 |
| Eruaran | I think I should get a coffee | Nov 09 05:26 |
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| Eruaran | Brazil style Jarrah... mmm the aroma | Nov 09 05:51 |
| Eruaran | Yes, it took me nearly half an hour to actually get around to getting one | Nov 09 05:51 |
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| oiaohm_ | http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/06/microsoft-ibm-software-technology-cio-network-cisco.html | Nov 09 07:59 |
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| oiaohm_ | More battle lines | Nov 09 07:59 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Goldman Sachs "doing God’s work" http://notnews.today.com/?p=726 | Nov 09 08:22 | |
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| satipera | https://secure.wikileaks.org/wiki/European_Commission_%22advance_warning%22_summary_on_ACTA_Internet_Chapter%2C_30_Sep_2009 | Nov 09 09:14 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Blackboard and #Microsoft Get Even Closer http://ping.fm/oz9Gc | Nov 09 09:30 | |
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| MikeyC | Hey Roy, you on board? | Nov 09 09:31 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Nov 09 09:32 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Nov 09 09:32 |
| schestowitz | What | Nov 09 09:32 |
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| schestowitz | [09:32] <MikeyC> Hey ROy, you on board? | Nov 09 09:32 |
| schestowitz | [09:32] <MikeyC> What time will you be back? | Nov 09 09:32 |
| schestowitz | No PM. | Nov 09 09:32 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Some New Examples of #FUD Against #Linux , #GNU , and the #GPL http://ping.fm/4LFfT | Nov 09 10:16 | |
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| MikeyC | Hey Roy, you up yet? | Nov 09 10:54 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 09 10:54 |
| schestowitz | I was here before, as well | Nov 09 10:54 |
| MikeyC | how you get on in the cross trainer matey? | Nov 09 10:54 |
| schestowitz | I can't spin fast enough | Nov 09 10:56 |
| schestowitz | My CV is better than I can skillfully use pace | Nov 09 10:56 |
| schestowitz | So I could breathe with my mouth closed at the end.... and legs did not hurt. 16:17 | Nov 09 10:57 |
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| MikeyC | that's not a bad time, i think it's a lot harder doing that movement when you are heavier, the lighter people seemed to do better | Nov 09 11:01 |
| schestowitz | No, mark is light and he couldn't do, either | Nov 09 11:01 |
| MikeyC | who is Mark | Nov 09 11:02 |
| schestowitz | Sid does all the cycling | Nov 09 11:02 |
| schestowitz | nm | Nov 09 11:02 |
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| MikeyC | yes sid is a keen cyclist, me and greg do a bit of running and came first and second in the 2 miler, so ithink that helps too | Nov 09 11:02 |
| MikeyC | so what is the point difference between me and you then now? | Nov 09 11:04 |
| schestowitz | Don't know, but I aim for 2nd | Nov 09 11:04 |
| schestowitz | I had a chat with Louisa's boyfriend just before doing that challenge... he builds a site with a group of people | Nov 09 11:06 |
| schestowitz | MikeyC: you should help out with all this... maybe in your free time | Nov 09 11:06 |
| MikeyC | what is the site about | Nov 09 11:16 |
| schestowitz | His is about academia | Nov 09 11:17 |
| schestowitz | I don't think they have launched yet | Nov 09 11:17 |
| MikeyC | Sid is aiming for 2nd too, he is getting very keen | Nov 09 11:17 |
| schestowitz | BTW... | Nov 09 11:18 |
| schestowitz | Have you heard of this new site: http://www.banksterusa.org/ | Nov 09 11:18 |
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| MikeyC | not yet but i have added it to my favorites | Nov 09 11:18 |
| schestowitz | It's educational | Nov 09 11:19 |
| MikeyC | i am in work at mo, so will have to go, will you be in gym at dinner | Nov 09 11:19 |
| schestowitz | Using words like "Bankster" gets one associated with bad groups, apparently | Nov 09 11:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Too Arrogant to Fail http://ping.fm/u4Qwt | Nov 09 11:19 | |
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| MikeyC | Gym, when you in? | Nov 09 11:20 |
| schestowitz | MikeyC: OK, well, it's my day off today | Nov 09 11:20 |
| MikeyC | ok i will be in at one pm | Nov 09 11:20 |
| MikeyC | see you there | Nov 09 11:20 |
| MikeyC | we can practice step ups | Nov 09 11:20 |
| MikeyC | roy, you there? | Nov 09 11:22 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 09 11:23 |
| schestowitz | I'll be there tomorrow | Nov 09 11:24 |
| MikeyC | ok see you tomorrow matey | Nov 09 11:26 |
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| oiaohm_ | O crud schestowitz that was a profitable department. | Nov 09 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Which one? | Nov 09 11:40 |
| oiaohm_ | Office Accounting in SBS is one of the reasons why some people were using SBS. It chained on to buying copies of MS office to intergrate. | Nov 09 11:43 |
| oiaohm_ | Ie not making a profit alone but causing profit. | Nov 09 11:43 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Fds, acabei agora de saber que entrou aqui uma pessoa em casa desconhecida, eu estava na cama, a minha mae no quintal entrou pela [..] | Nov 09 12:37 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] porta de traz da casa que estava encostada, andou pela casa, abriu a porta do meu quarto (eu pensava que era a minha mae) [..] | Nov 09 12:38 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Saiu pela porta da frente onde está o meu computador e deixou a merda da porta aberta... | Nov 09 12:39 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] quem foi tinha botas pesadas e roupa vermelha (pelo menos pareceu quando o individuo abriu a porta do meu quarto) :S | Nov 09 12:40 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Acho que vou começar a dormir com a porta do meu quarto fechado a chave :S | Nov 09 12:41 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Disrupts #Microsoft Cash Cows http://ping.fm/j0Dbb | Nov 09 12:49 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Winter #Olympics Incompatible with #GNU #Linux , Thanks to #Microsoft http://ping.fm/vQfmz | Nov 09 12:50 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post - Renting A Domain Name | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/ygy4pfm | Nov 09 13:22 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Good news for Freesat users, especially those running open source software like MythTV http://bit.ly/1ugXNI | Nov 09 13:26 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Buys More Students http://ping.fm/bGFgn #edgi | Nov 09 14:10 | |
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| PetoKraus | hmm | Nov 09 14:23 |
| PetoKraus | so i installed KDE4 | Nov 09 14:23 |
| PetoKraus | well | Nov 09 14:23 |
| PetoKraus | i don't think i'm going back | Nov 09 14:23 |
| PetoKraus | it's really well polished | Nov 09 14:23 |
| PetoKraus | and has quite good window management options | Nov 09 14:24 |
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| Melio2 | #Microsoft Buys More Students http://ping.fm/bGFgn #edgi <-- nice post | Nov 09 14:29 |
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| Melio | I was a little angered by a school I was atteneding when they were still pushing outdated mcse track certification courses | Nov 09 14:30 |
| Melio | and the linux class they pushed was a novell suse class | Nov 09 14:30 |
| Melio | which was also outdated and no longer being certified | Nov 09 14:31 |
| Melio | so I'm guessing the school worried about funding won't update the program to more current standards and teach the stuff that's actually being put in the market | Nov 09 14:31 |
| Melio | like real server os's and real web servers - not microsoft IIS | Nov 09 14:31 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, Melio | Nov 09 14:47 |
| schestowitz | PeterKraus: nice! | Nov 09 14:47 |
| schestowitz | Many people I know moved from gnome to kde4, as well. 4.4 is out soon. | Nov 09 14:48 |
| PetoKraus | yeah | Nov 09 14:48 |
| PetoKraus | it's nice... | Nov 09 14:48 |
| Melio | kde4 I want to try out | Nov 09 14:48 |
| Melio | how's it handle multiple monitors | Nov 09 14:48 |
| cubezzz | ah no :) | Nov 09 14:48 |
| Melio | I shouldnt even ask | Nov 09 14:48 |
| cubezzz | KDE 3.4.2 here :) | Nov 09 14:48 |
| Melio | cause my other monitor died | Nov 09 14:48 |
| cubezzz | new KDE is slow | Nov 09 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Melio: handles it fine | Nov 09 14:48 |
| Melio | slow on what | Nov 09 14:48 |
| Melio | what processor/ram | Nov 09 14:48 |
| cubezzz | everything | Nov 09 14:48 |
| Melio | ok could be faster | Nov 09 14:48 |
| cubezzz | it's overly elaborate | Nov 09 14:48 |
| Melio | if your running a quad core, is it slow? | Nov 09 14:48 |
| cubezzz | I'm not running quad core | Nov 09 14:49 |
| Melio | so what if you were | Nov 09 14:49 |
| schestowitz | It has been better in terms of performance than kde3 in _some_ ways | Nov 09 14:49 |
| Melio | how fast do you gotta be | Nov 09 14:49 |
| Melio | you could run xfce | Nov 09 14:49 |
| Melio | be like zippy fast | Nov 09 14:49 |
| Melio | that's like my android phone | Nov 09 14:49 |
| Melio | it has sense ui | Nov 09 14:49 |
| cubezzz | I am running KDE, but older version as I said | Nov 09 14:49 |
| Melio | if I remove that, the os runs phenominally faster | Nov 09 14:49 |
| cubezzz | I run Embedix/Qtopia and KDE and GNOME. all on different machines | Nov 09 14:50 |
| Melio | I really do pefer gnome by itself | Nov 09 14:50 |
| Melio | with kde apps that i like, .. amarok, some others | Nov 09 14:50 |
| cubezzz | I like parts of GNOME, and older KDE | Nov 09 14:51 |
| Melio | i hate my college | Nov 09 14:51 |
| Melio | I don't want to drop out of school. just that school | Nov 09 14:51 |
| Melio | I can do withotu the nice people i met | Nov 09 14:52 |
| cubezzz | actually what I really try to do is live on the command line as much as possible | Nov 09 14:52 |
| Melio | I tried that for a while | Nov 09 14:52 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #JerrySeinfeld Dumps #Vista , Some Users Prefer Vista Over #Vista7 Because of Incompatibility http://ping.fm/EDPhF | Nov 09 14:52 | |
| Melio | with modern display cards being low cost | Nov 09 14:52 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Jerry Seinfeld Dumps Vista, Some Users Prefer Vista Over Vista 7 Because of Incompatibility | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 103.62 KB | Nov 09 14:52 |
| Melio | jerry seinfeild sold vista | Nov 09 14:52 |
| MinceR | another round of incompatibility? | Nov 09 14:53 |
| Melio | my front mic's dont' even work on win7 | Nov 09 14:54 |
| Melio | audio or mic jacks | Nov 09 14:54 |
| Melio | in linux they work fine | Nov 09 14:54 |
| Melio | the drivers they make for windows are so rushed it's pathetic | Nov 09 14:54 |
| Melio | they're doing stuff like leaving defualt's like "sleep" mode for network cards | Nov 09 14:54 |
| cubezzz | ssh / mutt / lynx / mplayer / radio, that sort of thing | Nov 09 14:54 |
| Melio | so when you install a nic in windows. or auto install it based on whatever comes with 7 | Nov 09 14:55 |
| Melio | when the screen saver comes on. your network card drops out | Nov 09 14:55 |
| Melio | typical behavior of a crappy os | Nov 09 14:55 |
| Melio | defualt sleep mode settings on a network card on a non-laptop computer | Nov 09 14:55 |
| cubezzz | always on the look-out for ncurses stuff | Nov 09 14:55 |
| Melio | so easy to fix for a ordinary person. go into the driver. find the cryptic setting that doesnt let it sleep | Nov 09 14:56 |
| Melio | cubezzz: there was a lot of it in the early 90's | Nov 09 14:56 |
| Melio | probably no longer on repos | Nov 09 14:56 |
| Melio | you could always learn to code it ;P | Nov 09 14:56 |
| cubezzz | yes, I do that too | Nov 09 14:56 |
| cubezzz | ssh into zaurus and run text apps | Nov 09 14:56 |
| Melio | I have zero desire to go to class today | Nov 09 14:57 |
| Melio | roy do you have a job? | Nov 09 14:57 |
| Melio | I'm assuming you support microsoft workstations for a job | Nov 09 14:57 |
| Melio | heh | Nov 09 14:57 |
| Melio | you can create media about how bad they are cause you physically touch them every day | Nov 09 14:57 |
| Melio | that would be my guess | Nov 09 14:58 |
| cubezzz | Melio, there doesn't seem to be much in the way of ncurses apps that use colour | Nov 09 14:58 |
| Melio | some do | Nov 09 15:01 |
| Melio | like midnight commander | Nov 09 15:01 |
| Melio | mc for short | Nov 09 15:01 |
| cubezzz | like rubik's cube or something like that | Nov 09 15:01 |
| Melio | they're opensource. you could add color/colour | Nov 09 15:01 |
| Melio | brb | Nov 09 15:02 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @CAPAction Boehner gave <24hr 2 read Medicare Part D, Patriot Act & 2d Bush Tax Cut when he was Majority Leader. http://ur1.ca/ffvn #hcr | Nov 09 15:13 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Dennis Kucinich on @democracynow re: #hcr State right to #singlepayer #medicareforall http://ur1.ca/ffwv #healthcare | Nov 09 15:17 | |
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| Melio | hosue. yes | Nov 09 15:18 |
| Melio | senant won't pass it | Nov 09 15:18 |
| Melio | this is a song and dance americans watch every time something like this goes down | Nov 09 15:19 |
| Melio | senants always drop these bills | Nov 09 15:19 |
| Melio | if they don't they won't get re-elected | Nov 09 15:19 |
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| Melio | senators are babies :P | Nov 09 15:19 |
| Melio | it's a good check and balance system | Nov 09 15:19 |
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| schestowitz | turns out we have the transcript already..... http://www.cceia.org/resources/transcripts/5397.html | Nov 09 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | "Ubuntu 10.04 LTS | Nov 09 15:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 09 15:26 |
| schestowitz | Hi, | Nov 09 15:26 |
| schestowitz | Now is the time to try to get improvements for the next LTS. | Nov 09 15:26 |
| schestowitz | e.g. | Nov 09 15:26 |
| schestowitz | http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/22368/ | Nov 09 15:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 09 15:26 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Idea #22368: "Enable ACLs by default in server editions" - Ubuntu brainstorm .::. Size~: 43.9 KB | Nov 09 15:26 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it's time to suggest putting mono out by defaul | Nov 09 15:26 |
| MinceR | and pulseaudio :> | Nov 09 15:37 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @RobinGrantham: #HR676 Would reduce property/auto/liability insur as you'd no longer need medical in those #hcr http://ur1.ca/ffyo | Nov 09 15:51 | |
| fewa | and GNOME :P | Nov 09 15:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @RobinGrantham: #HR676 No co-pays comprehensive #hcr 4 all Cuts $300B billing waste Inc: Dental chiropractic vision http://ur1.ca/ffp4 | Nov 09 15:59 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @RobinGrantham: #HR676 Fam of 4 making 56k would pay $2700/year TOTAL. No co-pay/no deductible, comprehensive #hcr http://ur1.ca/ffzc | Nov 09 16:02 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Just One Way (Among More) #Microsoft Cheats in #Vista7 Number Games http://ping.fm/LXH2s | Nov 09 16:08 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] 300USD for the audio recording of Bilski, everything is good to make money in the US: http://i5.be/R6 | Nov 09 16:15 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @marklainer: Call Senators&Reps: which more important? my health or ins co profits? #hcr Push state #singlepayer rights http://ur1.ca/fegl | Nov 09 16:17 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reader’s Article: ARMageddon, Judgment Day for Non-Free Software. http://ping.fm/VWxxv | Nov 09 16:25 | |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* supreme court sells audio | Nov 09 16:26 |
| schestowitz | What a sham | Nov 09 16:26 |
| schestowitz | PACER also.... | Nov 09 16:26 |
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| schestowitz | just got this one regarding "Contractors" | Nov 09 16:27 |
| schestowitz | <quote> | Nov 09 16:27 |
| schestowitz | Here's one to file for later. It's from the Bush junta's time. That administration has left office but not left that much power -- there are hundreds of Bush appointees all over the place. | Nov 09 16:27 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, when one thinks of Bush one things of graft and cronyism, when one things of graft and cronyism and lost records one thinks immediately of Microsoft and Bill Gates. | Nov 09 16:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/11/01/arlington_national_cemetery/print.html | Nov 09 16:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/10/07/arlington_cemetery/print.html | Nov 09 16:27 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Salon.com News | More misplaced remains at Arlington National Cemetery .::. Size~: 27.64 KB | Nov 09 16:27 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Salon.com News | Arlington unveils a new unknown soldier .::. Size~: 25.96 KB | Nov 09 16:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/09/29/arlington_contracts/print.html | Nov 09 16:27 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Salon.com News | Millions in contracts, no work completed .::. Size~: 27.96 KB | Nov 09 16:27 |
| schestowitz | There are some bottomless money pit contractors involved and, that, too is a sign of Bill. | Nov 09 16:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-69223987.html | Nov 09 16:27 |
| schestowitz | Could it be use of Windows and Sharepoint instead of a real operating system and a real database or cms? | Nov 09 16:27 |
| schestowitz | </quote> | Nov 09 16:27 |
| Ender2070 | Another problem, both parties get funding from the same sources and get different corrupt people in power | Nov 09 16:28 |
| Ender2070 | Obama replaced a bush employee with the head of the riaa | Nov 09 16:29 |
| Ender2070 | correct? | Nov 09 16:29 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/24/doj_supports_riaa/ | Nov 09 16:30 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Bush Obama sides with RIAA in P2P fight • The Register .::. Size~: 30.06 KB | Nov 09 16:30 |
| Ender2070 | and i was a little off | Nov 09 16:31 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/04/obama-taps-fift/ | Nov 09 16:31 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Obama Taps 5th RIAA Lawyer to Justice Dept. | Threat Level | Wired.com .::. Size~: 102.82 KB | Nov 09 16:31 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @KenLiv: The same #hcr opponents who warn of gov't interference with personal hc decisions support the Stupak amendment. | Nov 09 16:33 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @KenLiv: The same #hcr opponents who warn of gov't interference with personal hc decisions support the Stupak govt inference with hc decis | Nov 09 16:34 | |
| Ender2070 | nice alias zer0c00l, creative | Nov 09 16:35 |
| zer0c00l | Ender2070: ;) | Nov 09 16:37 |
| Ender2070 | zomg, it has a 28.8 bps modem | Nov 09 16:37 |
| Ender2070 | you know what, why hasn't anyone figured out how to navigate their file system in 3d yet | Nov 09 16:38 |
| Ender2070 | lol, this trailer seems to be a condensed version of Hackers in 2 minutes, but is way better | Nov 09 16:43 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP6iTjhlOvs | Nov 09 16:43 |
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| zer0c00l | hey schestowitz | Nov 09 16:49 |
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| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : still depressed ? | Nov 09 16:56 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD @xmonad The xmonad reddit: news, reviews, tutorials, announcements about xmonad: http://www.reddit.com/r/xmonad/ | Nov 09 16:58 | |
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| _Hicham_ | xshestowitz : motif based gui for schestowitz | Nov 09 17:01 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: nope | Nov 09 17:01 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : are u using xmonad ? | Nov 09 17:06 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[d235j] RT @SEPTA: Refund/Exchange details for an unused TransPass during the service interruption http://is.gd/4QYvI | Nov 09 17:06 | |
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| anivar | Check http://www.indiaprwire.com/pressrelease/other/2009110436921.htm | Nov 09 17:09 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: NASSCOM Foundation facilitates free access to Microsoft Windows 7 for NGOs across India .::. Size~: 12.55 KB | Nov 09 17:09 |
| anivar | NASSCOM's Non Profit Foundation Using Non-profit ststus to mrket windows 7 | Nov 09 17:10 |
| anivar | status | Nov 09 17:10 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz doesn't care about the users in his channel | Nov 09 17:12 |
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| anivar | NASSCOM is a Microsoft ally always , as we seen on OOXML issue | Nov 09 17:14 |
| schestowitz | "PC MANUFACTURERS are starting to get worried that they cannot get enough of AMD's new 40nm GPUs." http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1561517/amd-gpus | Nov 09 17:14 |
| schestowitz | anivar: yes,... | Nov 09 17:14 |
| schestowitz | anivar: where do they promote it? | Nov 09 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Oh, wait.. | Nov 09 17:14 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: no, KDE4 | Nov 09 17:14 |
| anivar | NASSCOM foundation is the non profit trust by NASCOM and they are doing this in the name of corporate social responsibility | Nov 09 17:14 |
| anivar | read the press release http://www.indiaprwire.com/pressrelease/other/2009110436921.htm | Nov 09 17:15 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: NASSCOM Foundation facilitates free access to Microsoft Windows 7 for NGOs across India .::. Size~: 12.55 KB | Nov 09 17:15 |
| anivar | look at http://www.bigtech.in/ , special website setup for Windows 7 donation | Nov 09 17:16 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @mbdfilms: EPA: For every $1 spent on #pollution controls public saves $42 in reduced health care costs & productivity #hcr #externalities | Nov 09 17:16 | |
| schestowitz | anivar: thanks, I'll write about it | Nov 09 17:17 |
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| anivar | I think it is a way to use channelise money used fopr CSR No-Profit work to Microsoft | Nov 09 17:17 |
| anivar | this may be the meaning of Bill gate's quote "Focus on Poverty alleviation with profitability " | Nov 09 17:18 |
| anivar | schestowitz: cool | Nov 09 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | Iphone plagued by Rick Astley < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1561466/iphone-plagued-rick-astley > Holy cow! | Nov 09 17:26 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8349905.stm | Nov 09 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | Haha. | Nov 09 17:27 |
| schestowitz | RIAA propaganda from BBC...http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8347178.stm | Nov 09 17:29 |
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| schestowitz | "And in the long run I believe they're also diluting the magical power and the magnetic attraction that they can or will ever have over their audience. " | Nov 09 17:29 |
| schestowitz | Sharing=diluting??? | Nov 09 17:29 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: Thats sick NASSCOM #FAIL | Nov 09 17:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another alternative source of energy put forth: http://ping.fm/KioaY | Nov 09 17:31 | |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz: Do write about it, those guys in keep supporting non free software and msft; Amabassadors of uncle sam x( ;Where need it | Nov 09 17:33 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Some one is doing free marketing for uncle sam http://www.indiaprwire.com/pressrelease/other/2009110436921.htm #NASSCOM #FAIL nasscom==msft? | Nov 09 17:33 | |
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| zer0c00l | Crap , i wrote something x( | Nov 09 17:33 |
| zer0c00l | That was meant to be: Do write about it, those guys in NASSCOM are keep supporting non free software and msft;Ambassadors of uncle sam x( ; | Nov 09 17:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @tjwdraws: http://www.namesofthedead.com/ #GOP worships "virtue" of selfishness 40,000 dead/yr bc no #healthcare #tcot #teaparty #hcr | Nov 09 17:34 | |
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| schestowitz | http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20091108/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_a_virus_framed_me (AP IMPACT: Framed for child porn — by a PC virus) | Nov 09 17:35 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: ok, let me write about swpat first | Nov 09 17:36 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: ok ;) | Nov 09 17:36 |
| schestowitz | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Installing-Ubuntu-9-10-126370.shtml | Nov 09 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | The Secret Services should storm NASSCOM's office with Live CDs | Nov 09 17:38 |
| schestowitz | Clean up their act if you know what I mean. Putt B.O.S.S. i charge | Nov 09 17:38 |
| schestowitz | *in | Nov 09 17:38 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: yes | Nov 09 17:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @Shoq: #whatRepublicansWant Enough time that tax cuts for the rich can be paid by the middle class, then blamed on liberals #p2 #tcot | Nov 09 17:48 | |
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| schestowitz | Mouse for people for 3 hands. :-) http://www.unixmen.com/news-today/530-openofficeorg-present-their-own-mouse-oomouse | Nov 09 17:59 |
| schestowitz | What a jungle of links and topic.... http://www.unixmen.com/news-today/530-openofficeorg-present-their-own-mouse-oomouse | Nov 09 18:01 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SupremeCourt Paywalls Raised as #Bilski (Re)Starts, #Microsoft #Patent Lawsuits, EU #CommunityPatent http://ping.fm/6nod4 | Nov 09 18:29 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Patents Roundup: Supreme Court Paywalls Raised as Bilski (Re)Starts, Microsoft Patent Lawsuits, EU Community Patent | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 106.33 KB | Nov 09 18:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Proof That #NASSCOM Should be Dismantled http://ping.fm/YWPnn #india #corruption | Nov 09 18:30 | |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: ^ | Nov 09 18:30 |
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| schestowitz | I justgot this one re: "Tech support" | Nov 09 18:36 |
| schestowitz | "Hi, Roy, | Nov 09 18:36 |
| schestowitz | There are several explanations for this problem: | Nov 09 18:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Search-Engines/Microsoft-Trumps-Google-Yahoo-in-Total-Time-Spent-Online-584004/ | Nov 09 18:36 |
| schestowitz | 1) tech support failure! people can't get their shitty M$ to work | Nov 09 18:36 |
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| schestowitz | unsolvable problems lead to long searches | Nov 09 18:36 |
| schestowitz | 2) informal family and friend tech support has gotten tired of cleaning | Nov 09 18:36 |
| schestowitz | up Bill's mess, they went to linux long ago, leaving lusers to fend for | Nov 09 18:36 |
| schestowitz | themselves, see #1 above | Nov 09 18:36 |
| schestowitz | 3) useless web ui's and missing information mean people spend longer | Nov 09 18:36 |
| schestowitz | looking for what they can't find but think ought to be there somewhere." | Nov 09 18:36 |
| schestowitz | It seems like the usual 'study' fluff which is intended to put Bong [sic] in some headlines and remind people it exists | Nov 09 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Sad: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/11/09/morgan_online/ "Morgan Computers - one of Britain's longest surviving independent retail PC dealers - has sold its online business to a Jersey-based businessman, but questions remain over its retail arm." | Nov 09 18:38 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Morgan Computers shuts its doors, sells website • Channel Register .::. Size~: 20.05 KB | Nov 09 18:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Innocent people have been branded as child abusers after [Windows!] malware infected their PCs" http://ping.fm/SuqTP | Nov 09 18:42 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: How malware frames the innocent for child abuse • The Register .::. Size~: 30.54 KB | Nov 09 18:42 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: ok :) | Nov 09 18:44 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: Reading it | Nov 09 18:44 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10381460-245.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.1 | Nov 09 18:45 |
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| schestowitz | zer0c00l: the thing is, I can defend my statements there cause I have Comes exhibits with actual E-mails and also a lot of articles accumulated. Had more people known what NASCOMM is doing, it would be pressured to shut down | Nov 09 18:46 |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz: yes , its lobbying for msft | Nov 09 18:48 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: It needs to be shutdown | Nov 09 18:48 |
| zer0c00l | these indian service provider companies which are working for msft,has a major role to play in NASSCOM; These steps are to *please* msft; | Nov 09 18:50 |
| zer0c00l | s/msft/their client | Nov 09 18:51 |
| zer0c00l | msft is one of the client of these service provider companies; | Nov 09 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Let me show you s/t | Nov 09 18:51 |
| zer0c00l | s/t> | Nov 09 18:52 |
| zer0c00l | s/t? | Nov 09 18:52 |
| schestowitz | something | Nov 09 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Add the caption: http://blog.nasscom.in/emerge/2009/07/the-special-nasscom-ceos-forum-with-mr-bill-gates-on-transforming-india-through-technology/ | Nov 09 18:52 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: ok :) | Nov 09 18:52 |
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| schestowitz | Me first | Nov 09 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Guy on left: "haha.... Bill's wallet is so, so big" | Nov 09 18:53 |
| zer0c00l | :P | Nov 09 18:53 |
| zer0c00l | lol | Nov 09 18:54 |
| schestowitz | In the middle: "my friends will be so jealous when they see my touching Bill's hand" | Nov 09 18:54 |
| zer0c00l | :D | Nov 09 18:54 |
| zer0c00l | the middle guy is a politician | Nov 09 18:54 |
| zer0c00l | minister | Nov 09 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Thew guy on the right: "y'all a bunch of idiots. I'm ripping you off." | Nov 09 18:54 |
| zer0c00l | :P | Nov 09 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | Change is afoot. http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/features/featuredetail.asp?file=novemberfeatures22009.xml | Nov 09 18:56 |
| zer0c00l | later | Nov 09 18:57 |
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| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/weblife/?p=1157 | Nov 09 18:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] my 9.10 work laptop has OOo 3.1 native and MS Office 2003 in Wine. OOo starts in 7 sec from cold, MSO starts in 2 sec from cold. | Nov 09 18:57 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] New profile pic :) | Nov 09 18:57 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] If you run Windows you might be branded a PAEDO http://bit.ly/2859ox | Nov 09 18:58 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: How malware frames the innocent for child abuse • The Register .::. Size~: 30.86 KB | Nov 09 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Tweaking my Karmic Koala http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10014398o-2000332346b,00.htm | Nov 09 19:00 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] only in California http://bit.ly/3RYEZL HT @brassratgirl | Nov 09 19:06 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "This arrow is point down" http://ping.fm/OGsC8 Really! :-) | Nov 09 19:12 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @RebelCapitalist: Pfizer Broke the Law by Promoting Drugs for Unapproved Uses http://ur1.ca/fgch #p2 #hcr Snake oil that can kill you! | Nov 09 19:13 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5114054156.html | Nov 09 19:14 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] So what's up with bitly casually slandering identi.ca? part of the deal with twitter? http://i34.tinypic.com/2qxmg51.jpg | Nov 09 19:17 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/11/anthony_sowell_case_did_lazy_c.php | Nov 09 19:19 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @davidgerard So what's up with bitly casually slandering identi.ca? part of the deal with twitter? http://ping.fm/nzZ8q | Nov 09 19:20 | |
| schestowitz | http://tech.yahoo.com/news/zd/20091105/tc_zd/245787 | Nov 09 19:21 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] turns out blt.ly uses SURBL, which tends to over-flag a bit. not ideal. they've fixed it for now, but hmm. | Nov 09 19:27 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.komonews.com/news/local/52739537.html | Nov 09 19:34 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @VolcanicSpewing: Stupak amendment continues #GOP war on the poor. http://rtxp.com/u/1f2 #hcr #p2 #tcot | Nov 09 19:36 | |
| schestowitz | http://consumerist.com/5399061/walmart-goes-crazy-on-couple-suspected-of-shoplifting | Nov 09 19:36 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @thenation: Six Smart Progressive Complaints About House Health Bill http://ur1.ca/fgeq #hcr #healthcare | Nov 09 19:43 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @thenation: House Passes #Health Reform, But Without Reproductive Rights http://ur1.ca/fgew #hcr | Nov 09 19:45 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Cheio de frio nos dedos, daqui a pouco eles partem se aos mil bocadinhos :S | Nov 09 20:00 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] What's in house health bill? Historic Medicare expansion to 150% of poverty level, more http://ur1.ca/fgfh pub plan only 6m #hcr | Nov 09 20:01 | |
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| schestowitz | Community action on Guantánamo http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/nov/06/guantanamo-amherst | Nov 09 20:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Took the "Which Country Are You?!" quiz & got: Russia! What about you? ➜ http://bit.ly/2RH9oH | Nov 09 20:08 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Took the "Which Disney Star are You Most Like?" quiz & got: Joe Jonas! What about you? ➜ http://bit.ly/8sDdp | Nov 09 20:09 | |
| schestowitz | http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=where_to_find_real_geeks_on_the_web&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 | Nov 09 20:10 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I just took the "Which US city should you really be living in?" quiz and got: Las Vegas, NV! Try it ➤ http://bit.ly/905mu | Nov 09 20:12 | |
| schestowitz | "4chan, Digg, MySpace, Reddit, and Twitter. 99% of the time, anybody using the word 'geek' on these sites wouldn't know a real geek if they came home to find one boinking their girlfriend. Posers, pretenders, wanna-bes, marketers, all." | Nov 09 20:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Took the "Which villain are you?" quiz & got: Magneto! What'll you get? ➤ http://bit.ly/3Aqizq | Nov 09 20:14 | |
| fewa | meh, thats a slight oversimplification | Nov 09 20:14 |
| fewa | in chan lingo he is an "oldfag" | Nov 09 20:15 |
| fewa | frustrated that the internet is now mainstream | Nov 09 20:15 |
| fewa | seriously his list includes slashdot, and sourceforge | Nov 09 20:15 |
| fewa | its a glorifying of the "good old days: | Nov 09 20:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Took the "The best actress to play you in a movie is...(women)" quiz & got: Angelina Jolie! What'll you get? ➤ http://bit.ly/2s8rdk | Nov 09 20:17 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Took the "What Twilight Team are YOU?" quiz & got: Team Switzerland! What'll you get? ➤ http://bit.ly/cxKLg | Nov 09 20:18 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Took the "Wich animal are you?" quiz & got: Frog! What'll you get? ➤ http://bit.ly/4nJkLv | Nov 09 20:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Took the "What cell phone are you?" quiz & got: Droid! What'll you get? ➤ http://bit.ly/yBEhB | Nov 09 20:22 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I just took the "Are you going crazy?" quiz and got: I'm a craaazy biatch! Try it ➤ http://bit.ly/43Lx2X | Nov 09 20:23 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Took the "What smiley are you?" quiz & got: You are a cool smiley!! What'll you get? ➤ http://bit.ly/1nBQCd | Nov 09 20:24 | |
| schestowitz | Why would anyone think of WM, whose days might be numbered? http://www.pmptoday.com/2009/11/09/1080p-smartq-v7-priced-at-220-running-on-linux-android-wince-60/ | Nov 09 20:24 |
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| schestowitz | fewa: /. is lame, IMHO | Nov 09 20:25 |
| schestowitz | I stopped reading it some years ago when marketing people took over\ | Nov 09 20:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] just voted "miley 2" on "which photo is better?"! Vote now ➤ http://bit.ly/iCUzZ | Nov 09 20:26 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] just voted "6 :3" on "Best photo of Katy Perry"! Vote now ➤ http://bit.ly/3OZth9 | Nov 09 20:27 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Já ando farto de quizes e polls | Nov 09 20:27 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Vou lanchar... tive de jantar hoje cedo pronto :S | Nov 09 20:29 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.wiredprnews.com/2009/11/08/key-google-application-tools-released-as-open-source_200911086838.html | Nov 09 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | fewa: http://erictric.com/online/sourceforge-goes-down-open-source-becomes-unavailable-source | Nov 09 20:33 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: SourceForge Goes Down, Open Source Becomes Unavailable Source | Erictric .::. Size~: 30.05 KB | Nov 09 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Patented? [in OO] http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/11/08/openofficemouse-boosts-productivity-with-18-buttons-yes-18-an/ | Nov 09 20:36 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: OpenOfficeMouse boosts productivity with 18 buttons. Yes, 18. And a joystick. .::. Size~: 110.21 KB | Nov 09 20:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Ninguem me empresta um aquecedor não? | Nov 09 20:36 | |
| schestowitz | zoobab: http://washington.bizjournals.com/washington/stories/2009/11/09/story3.html?b=1257742800%5E2390791 | Nov 09 20:38 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The media is watching up: "Supreme Court may invalidate software patents" http://ping.fm/ZKjRi | Nov 09 20:40 | |
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| Ender2070 | I hope it does | Nov 09 20:46 |
| Ender2070 | Canada will copy that decision | Nov 09 20:46 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] /me vai ver um filme | Nov 09 20:50 | |
| schestowitz | Well, we know where Canada gets its policies from :-) | Nov 09 20:52 |
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| mikeyc | One for Roy | Nov 09 20:53 |
| MinceR | didn't we know already? | Nov 09 20:54 |
| mikeyc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4T4jY7kxMQ&feature=player_embedded | Nov 09 20:54 |
| *schestowitz looks | Nov 09 20:54 | |
| schestowitz | He must be "Crazy" then | Nov 09 20:55 |
| schestowitz | "Crackpot" :-) | Nov 09 20:55 |
| schestowitz | He said "world government" | Nov 09 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Canada does OK | Nov 09 20:57 |
| schestowitz | It has forests | Nov 09 20:57 |
| mikeyc | Where does the British Gov borrow money to prop up RBS etc, other banks, i don't know. | Nov 09 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | mikeyc: me neither, but I know estimates of #'s | Nov 09 21:00 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: the UK was at the brink of bankruptcy early in the last century. How did it recover? | Nov 09 21:00 |
| schestowitz | TBH, I reckon most countries are in debt, basically living in the promise of the future (it's like a recursive thing that builds assumption upon more assumptions), but the environment is never taken into consideration though, being a finite resource | Nov 09 21:02 |
| mikeyc | society is like one big pyramid selling scheme, it has to keep expanding every year to work | Nov 09 21:03 |
| mikeyc | not sustainable | Nov 09 21:03 |
| mikeyc | but heh, we do ok out of it:) | Nov 09 21:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NO SKINNY CHICKS http://i.imgur.com/SrW5N.jpg | Nov 09 21:03 | |
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| mikeyc | is this gold going up or the dollar going down???http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/fds/hi/business/market_data/commodities/11631/twelve_month.stm | Nov 09 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmm. lot of nonsense comes up in search for "Novell".. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAh0KP3niAY | Nov 09 21:04 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: yes, I agree | Nov 09 21:04 |
| schestowitz | [21:03] <mikeyc> but heh, we do ok out of it:) | Nov 09 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Ask people in Brazil how they feel | Nov 09 21:04 |
| mikeyc | i need to go get some food royston, see you at the gym tomorrow unless i get back here sooner | Nov 09 21:06 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: gold doesn't matter here | Nov 09 21:06 |
| schestowitz | They play domino | Nov 09 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Here's my take on it. | Nov 09 21:06 |
| PetoKraus | hm, i'm on my laptop and I miss kde4 ;/ | Nov 09 21:06 |
| mikeyc | i'm ready | Nov 09 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Basically, there is deficit that needs to be paid | Nov 09 21:07 |
| schestowitz | But who decides where from? | Nov 09 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Well, those in power | Nov 09 21:07 |
| schestowitz | So however they stage it, they can take people's savings which were tied to the market (FraudStreet) and pensions too | Nov 09 21:07 |
| schestowitz | This is already happening | Nov 09 21:07 |
| schestowitz | A zero-sum game | Nov 09 21:07 |
| mikeyc | i guess we'll end up paying with our pensions, and savings, indirectly via a controlled devaluation of the currency | Nov 09 21:07 |
| schestowitz | If people's pensions can be extracted, that it money (well, numbers) they can be pushed where they need it | Nov 09 21:08 |
| schestowitz | E.g. writing off some debt, infusion of cash dor investment banks (and bonuses, haa :-) ) | Nov 09 21:08 |
| schestowitz | *for | Nov 09 21:08 |
| schestowitz | THe thing that amazes me is that people trusted their pensions, which remained like 30 years ahead | Nov 09 21:09 |
| schestowitz | It reminds me of all sorts of jokes | Nov 09 21:09 |
| schestowitz | I mean, how can one guarantee /anything/ for such time spans? | Nov 09 21:09 |
| mikeyc | the end game will be a controlled devaluation of the currency which will extract all the value from pensions and savings etc, except 'they' will have advanced warning and will start to denominate their wealth into real money like say gold | Nov 09 21:09 |
| mikeyc | or fish and chips | Nov 09 21:09 |
| schestowitz | It's not 'them' | Nov 09 21:10 |
| schestowitz | It's all of the population | Nov 09 21:10 |
| schestowitz | But some will be better off than other | Nov 09 21:10 |
| schestowitz | *others | Nov 09 21:10 |
| schestowitz | THose who know the game better can make more sane decision, but it's really a big of a dog-eat-dog, where some groups are smaller but have a lot more decision power/clout | Nov 09 21:10 |
| mikeyc | hmmm and? | Nov 09 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Watch how 350m USians were forced to pay for just thousands of people (>1 million) for example | Nov 09 21:11 |
| schestowitz | I assume extended family here... i.e. whose financial institutions+families (kids, college tuition, etc.) | Nov 09 21:12 |
| schestowitz | But they are not the bad guys | Nov 09 21:12 |
| schestowitz | You are the bad guy :-) .. for asking too many questions | Nov 09 21:13 |
| mikeyc | The real consequences of the debt mountain are yet to play out i suspect, i don't really understand how the abstract notion of money actually works, but the numbers aren't looking good are they? | Nov 09 21:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @mfpdx: @RichardShelby Since U R agnst govt run HC, PLEASE GIVE UP UR MEDICARE. THNX. #P2 #HCR @Maddow @msnbc @CNN @abc @cbs @DavidShuster | Nov 09 21:13 | |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: did you see the film where money comes from? | Nov 09 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Or maybe ... well, wait.. | Nov 09 21:14 |
| mikeyc | i gotta foxtrot oscar roy, see you tomorrow for some stepatronic action. | Nov 09 21:14 |
| schestowitz | I can't find it. | Nov 09 21:14 |
| schestowitz | There's this.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr7vG0pnZCc&feature=PlayList&p=F06EECC2A6C876C5&index=0 | Nov 09 21:14 |
| schestowitz | But I don't like it much | Nov 09 21:14 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: watch this film | Nov 09 21:16 |
| schestowitz | I think I watched it before. It's kind of a 101... for Joe Dobbs too | Nov 09 21:16 |
| schestowitz | I would say that only 5% of the population know the answer to "where money comes from"... 5% being the roof | Nov 09 21:17 |
| schestowitz | *knows | Nov 09 21:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Bouncing balloons off a toddler's head repeatedly is *fun*! | Nov 09 21:17 | |
| schestowitz | Goldman Outlines Fed’s New Dashboard Indicators http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/11/05/goldman-outlines-feds-new-dashboard-indicators/ | Nov 09 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | I'm doing 'God's work'. Meet Mr Goldman Sachs http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6907681.ece?token=null&offset=12&page=2 | Nov 09 21:23 |
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| schestowitz | "So far, so lucrative. But isn’t it simply unfair? Isn’t Goldman acting as the modern equivalent of war-time profiteer, taking advantage of global crisis and emergency government action to mint millions? Even the veteran financier George Soros says the big profits made by Wall Street banks are "hidden gifts" from the state." | Nov 09 21:24 |
| schestowitz | I like this..... http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2009/11/07/openoffice-gets-a-branded-mouse-with-18-buttons/ | Nov 09 21:30 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] have to give back linutop. what is a cheap-in-uk *silent* linux server that does fast ethernet and usb? | Nov 09 21:34 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] tomorrow at work i install subversion on solaris 10 sparc without the benefit of openCSW or similar. all software sucks. | Nov 09 21:35 | |
| schestowitz | Hey, mutex ( criton) | Nov 09 21:35 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.venthur.de/2009/11/07/python26-blockers/ | Nov 09 21:39 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Ewww, ando a ver um filme sci-fi em que para se alimentarem comem gafanhotos "high in proteins" :S | Nov 09 21:48 | |
| schestowitz | Jun didn't know that OOo had grammar checkers as plugins.. http://www.junauza.com/2009/11/revelation-why-i-still-use-microsoft.html and by default in the future | Nov 09 21:51 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] #HC bill has provision that grants an endless #monopoly on biologic drugs. Attack on generics #hcr WTF #corruption http://ur1.ca/ffwv | Nov 09 21:54 | |
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| schestowitz | http://ritchan.dasaku.net/computers/the-dangers-of-gentoo-linux-on-a-slow-system | Nov 09 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | Linux Action Show was aptly renamed to show the hosts are not Linux guys.. http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/?p=1435 | Nov 09 22:11 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Unconstitutional "for unlimited times" drug monopoly boondogle in house bill #hcr http://ur1.ca/fgob http://change-congress.org/ #hr1826 | Nov 09 22:11 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.online-blogger.net/2009/11/09/ubuntu-karmic-koala-clean-install-vs-upgrade/ "So in conclusion my suggestion would be to do a clean install for every new release. Since after every 6 months a new version is released it’s a perfect interval to keep your computer running smooth and fast." | Nov 09 22:21 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Shrink Government, end #Afghanistan #war http://ur1.ca/f8ft #tcot #p2 NY-29 @EricMassa $300,000,000,000 | Nov 09 22:24 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I'm an ass... :S | Nov 09 22:30 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] ♺ @schestowitz: The media is watching up: "Supreme Court may invalidate software patents" http://ping.fm/ZKjRi | Nov 09 22:58 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Tells Its (GNU/Linux) Story http://lwn.net/Articles/357658/ | Nov 09 23:02 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @mystic23 getting discouraged with #hcr…everyone's caught up in getting smthg passed but the bill seems to suck Favors insurance companies | Nov 09 23:23 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian /Deb Packages Reside in Good and Special #Repository http://ur1.ca/fgo2 http://ur1.ca/fgsz | Nov 09 23:23 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Advice to Ubuntu Regarding Marketing http://bit.ly/1ueusM | Nov 09 23:24 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu 9.10 Works Well, Just Needs Quick Wallpaper Change http://ur1.ca/fgt2 http://ur1.ca/fgt3 | Nov 09 23:26 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Openbytes regular Richard has graced me with a post on my site.Why is it I spend so much time correcting Richard on what he hasnt read? | Nov 09 23:43 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Businesses Should be Ready for #FreeSoftware http://bit.ly/2lsJ11 | Nov 09 23:47 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Dutch Governmental corruption: http://tinyurl.com/yagc247 I am so ashamed to be Dutch and Pissed to the bone :-( - discusting - | Nov 09 23:48 | |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: I saw some comment from "RIchard" | Nov 09 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Troll? | Nov 09 23:53 |
| _goblin | he's not very good | Nov 09 23:53 |
| _goblin | he sort of accused me of not understanding COFEE but agreed with my points.... | Nov 09 23:53 |
| _goblin | I said COFEE would be useless on a LiveCD, USB stick combo.... | Nov 09 23:54 |
| _goblin | he said it wouldn't work with linux but yet a LiveCD and USB stick would be no defence at all..... | Nov 09 23:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #UK and #US #Governments Expand #Surveillance http://ur1.ca/fgv3 http://ur1.ca/fgv4# | Nov 09 23:54 | |
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| _goblin | I like the bit where he tells me to research properly and then claims Linux recovery tools don't work with Windows.....er Richard...hello? theres distro's dedicated to doing that. | Nov 09 23:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Nederlandse overheid gaat toch voor GOUD: http://tinyurl.com/yl6ang7 Walgelijk, teleurgesteld en boos. Fuck Micro$oft! | Nov 09 23:55 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] I was writing a story about the "Joys of Windows 7" in COLA, but decided to write an article on it on my blog, where I can give proof. | Nov 09 23:59 | |
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