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| schestowitz | Wow. That's quite a powerful speech. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6tgWhMKqNk&feature=PlayList&p=206795D3A5004CD5&index=0 | Nov 20 00:34 |
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| sebsebseb | hmm which distro | Nov 20 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | to replace 9.10 | Nov 20 00:41 |
| schestowitz | GNOME? | Nov 20 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | Debian Stable is good, and my vm's been updated to testing need to re boot for that | Nov 20 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | yes Gnome | Nov 20 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | well nearly properly updated, that's a bit odd I seem to have lost the bottom panel in the vm | Nov 20 00:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Chromium will be the default browser of Ubuntu Netbook Edition (was Remix), on the ARM platform. Lighter than Firefox. | Nov 20 00:45 | |
| Ender2070 | fedora | Nov 20 00:47 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah maybe | Nov 20 00:47 |
| sebsebseb | if it will install this time | Nov 20 00:47 |
| sebsebseb | and like my partitions | Nov 20 00:47 |
| sebsebseb | Fedora 11 didn't and I got a message from the installer saying it was probably a bug | Nov 20 00:47 |
| sebsebseb | and to report it | Nov 20 00:48 |
| Ender2070 | its probably because there was a lack of bacon | Nov 20 00:48 |
| sebsebseb | I think Sabayon will be ok, once the default black theme has been changed to something else | Nov 20 00:48 |
| Ender2070 | you try arch linux? | Nov 20 00:49 |
| sebsebseb | that has been suggested to me, but when someone tried to help me get it set up in a vm. that took a while doing the basics. and then Virtualbox closed on me | Nov 20 00:50 |
| sebsebseb | since the kernel wasn't liked in the vm or whatever | Nov 20 00:50 |
| sebsebseb | I don't really want to customize a distro that much, I want pretty good defaults, and then I don't mind doing basic customizing here and there, and installing loads of programs of course | Nov 20 00:51 |
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| Ender2070 | if you dont like google, google has a new service | Nov 20 00:56 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMChO0qNbkY | Nov 20 00:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Google Chrome OS – Built on Linux! http://tinyurl.com/y9ezbrs #windows #google #microsoft #foss #linux #xp #vista #windows7 | Nov 20 01:03 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google Opt Out Feature Lets Users Protect Privacy By Moving To Remote Village http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMChO0qNbkY | Nov 20 01:05 | |
| Ender2070 | where can i get google os | Nov 20 01:05 |
| Ender2070 | i want my data in the cloud | Nov 20 01:05 |
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| sebsebseb | typical | Nov 20 01:10 |
| sebsebseb | so I re booted | Nov 20 01:10 |
| sebsebseb | and try and boot up Debian and | Nov 20 01:10 |
| sebsebseb | x server won't load | Nov 20 01:10 |
| sebsebseb | well just a vm, but still hmm | Nov 20 01:11 |
| _goblin | Ender2070: ? | Nov 20 01:11 |
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| _goblin | wow.... | Nov 20 01:15 |
| _goblin | 24 UIP's in 3 mins.... | Nov 20 01:16 |
| _goblin | going to break my readership record for this month... | Nov 20 01:16 |
| _goblin | my average daily has gone from 350 UIP's per day in Oct to 622 UIPS per day for this month...its been on the increase since March! | Nov 20 01:17 |
| schestowitz | I've found the full speech. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq3sQpSCvmo&feature=PlayList&p=206795D3A5004CD5&index=1 | Nov 20 01:20 |
| schestowitz | [01:05] <Ender2070> i want my data in the cloud | Nov 20 01:21 |
| schestowitz | mate, I got a cloud too, sent it over, man | Nov 20 01:21 |
| schestowitz | *send it | Nov 20 01:21 |
| _goblin | Hi Roy! | Nov 20 01:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] A very good site to listen to your favorite music legally and free! http://www.we7.com/ - Gets the Openbytes 5 stars! | Nov 20 01:21 | |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: good work on OpenBytes | Nov 20 01:22 |
| _goblin | Im really pleased.... | Nov 20 01:22 |
| _goblin | especially with the increase... | Nov 20 01:22 |
| _goblin | makes it all worthwhile | Nov 20 01:22 |
| _goblin | most popular article: "Aaah youre killing FOSS" | Nov 20 01:23 |
| _goblin | which is good because I wanted that view to get out.... | Nov 20 01:23 |
| _goblin | strange thing though...... | Nov 20 01:23 |
| _goblin | "Bonjour FOSS" is having a large hit of people even though its an old topic.... | Nov 20 01:24 |
| _goblin | it was an article about France and its Police service switching to FOSS. | Nov 20 01:24 |
| _goblin | *sorry scrub that.....Police Force....not service. | Nov 20 01:25 |
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| _goblin | My favorite Bill Gates comment at the moment: | Nov 20 01:26 |
| _goblin | "If you can’t make it good, at least make it look good." | Nov 20 01:26 |
| _goblin | how true that is of MS. (IMO) | Nov 20 01:26 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: what do you think is the personal impact of this on you? | Nov 20 01:27 |
| schestowitz | Let me rephrase it | Nov 20 01:27 |
| DaemonFC | I have two cavities that need filled | Nov 20 01:27 |
| schestowitz | Cause I address a line too far up (catching up) | Nov 20 01:27 |
| DaemonFC | there went my savings | Nov 20 01:27 |
| schestowitz | What is the impact of your reach on how you view your posts? | Nov 20 01:27 |
| schestowitz | The Bill Gates quote it true, but the fact that he said it is a shot in the foot | Nov 20 01:28 |
| schestowitz | It's a case of keeping up appearance or saving face | Nov 20 01:28 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to try to find a dentist that does silver fillings | Nov 20 01:28 |
| schestowitz | Gates is also enamoured w/ "Evangelisation" | Nov 20 01:28 |
| DaemonFC | those white composite fillings are more expensive | Nov 20 01:28 |
| schestowitz | He keeps talking about it in memos | Nov 20 01:28 |
| schestowitz | And now he applies it to himself, glorifying himself using PR firms | Nov 20 01:29 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: Sorry I didn't understand the question.... | Nov 20 01:29 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you need teeth? :-p | Nov 20 01:29 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: are you talking about the service/force remark? | Nov 20 01:29 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: just fillings in two molars | Nov 20 01:29 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: never mind, it's too profound, I guess | Nov 20 01:29 |
| DaemonFC | it's probably going to run around $210 near as I can tell | Nov 20 01:29 |
| schestowitz | I just found that some people in this situation changed priorities | Nov 20 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | maybe more | Nov 20 01:30 |
| schestowitz | Including some relatives | Nov 20 01:30 |
| schestowitz | WHose family saw the back or their heads more than face (due to computer use after work) | Nov 20 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | about $210 if I get silver fillings, about $280 if I get white fillings | Nov 20 01:30 |
| schestowitz | I never had fillings | Nov 20 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | 'I figure if nobody can see them anyway, why spend another $70? | Nov 20 01:30 |
| schestowitz | See? You eat too much CANDY! | Nov 20 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | problem is that not all dentists will do silver anymore | Nov 20 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | no, I don't | Nov 20 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | I try to go sugar free on everything I can | Nov 20 01:31 |
| schestowitz | First seizures, now this... | Nov 20 01:31 |
| schestowitz | s* hits the fan, eh? :-( | Nov 20 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Yes | Nov 20 01:32 |
| DaemonFC | oh well, at least I have enough cash on hand to get this over with | Nov 20 01:32 |
| schestowitz | And you're alive, too | Nov 20 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | nothing like having to make payments on something for 3-4 months | Nov 20 01:33 |
| schestowitz | The insurance companies love you | Nov 20 01:33 |
| schestowitz | You fund them well | Nov 20 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: What insurance? | Nov 20 01:34 |
| schestowitz | And they can use the money to employ more astroturfers | Nov 20 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | I don't have insurance | Nov 20 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Here's how they work | Nov 20 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Insurance companies don't want bad PR | Nov 20 01:34 |
| schestowitz | So they conspire to put 10% each inside some new arm | Nov 20 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | of course they don't | Nov 20 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Something with a name that's Orwellian | Nov 20 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Like "health for the people" | Nov 20 01:34 |
| schestowitz | And then they recruit protestors whom they pay | Nov 20 01:35 |
| schestowitz | To block reform for healthcare for the people | Nov 20 01:35 |
| DaemonFC | I may buy a dental policy, get this done, then drop it | Nov 20 01:35 |
| DaemonFC | I dunno if I can though | Nov 20 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Vassal by circumstantial illness | Nov 20 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Now you got stricken by bad food/drugs they sell you | Nov 20 01:35 |
| schestowitz | And they got you by the bal** for a few months | Nov 20 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Though shalt obey :-) | Nov 20 01:36 |
| schestowitz | It's a wonderful system | Nov 20 01:36 |
| schestowitz | Wow. Check out my latest post | Nov 20 01:38 |
| schestowitz | Very massive number of links, maybe a new all-time high. Took ages to get it done. Thankfully I enjoyed it | Nov 20 01:39 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you're an opinionated man, you should join movements for change, not just whine | Nov 20 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Probably, but it wouldn't do any good | Nov 20 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | you have the Republicans, who want to shoot down all health reform, and the Democrats who want to bastardize it and tell you what you need and what you'll get | Nov 20 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | neither sounds all that appealing | Nov 20 01:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Damn it, I quite like the widget "Quote of the day 1.1"...its now got a place on my Gnome DE within Karmic 9.10 | Nov 20 01:50 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: well, try something | Nov 20 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Microsoft-Internet-Explorer-9-PDC09,9121.html | Nov 20 02:03 |
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| DaemonFC | Microsoft is countering WebGL with DirectX in IE | Nov 20 02:04 |
| DaemonFC | http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2009/11/18/an-early-look-at-ie9-for-developers.aspx | Nov 20 02:08 |
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| schestowitz | Of course they do | Nov 20 02:14 |
| schestowitz | "Standards=bad" at Redmond | Nov 20 02:14 |
| schestowitz | Gotta make the Net Windows-only again | Nov 20 02:14 |
| schestowitz | Same with XAML | Nov 20 02:14 |
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| _goblin | Bill Gates: "The Internet? We are not interested in it" (1993).......oh the irony | Nov 20 02:20 |
| DaemonFC | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7533500868750350977&ei=SfwFS9r3M5PaqwLIrJDrCQ&q=office+space&hl=en | Nov 20 02:21 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Call for a Blacklist of #GNU #Linux-hostile Companies http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=1068 | Nov 20 02:22 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google 's #Linux Distribution Receives Good Response http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=11600 | Nov 20 02:25 | |
| schestowitz | _goblin: glyn moody quotes another one today | Nov 20 02:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Desktop #GNU #Linux: Just Plug and Play http://ur1.ca/g63s | Nov 20 02:26 | |
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| schestowitz | He said that in 1995 Microsoft told him (he's a journo) that Internet would be only for privileged few or something | Nov 20 02:27 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: great film | Nov 20 02:27 |
| _goblin | Great foresight there... | Nov 20 02:27 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 20 02:27 |
| _goblin | just like Ballmer and his house of cards comment | Nov 20 02:27 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: just done Mandriva 2010 in VM | Nov 20 02:27 |
| sebsebseb | I tried a RC before in vm | Nov 20 02:27 |
| sebsebseb | anyway yeah Mandriva 2010 Gnome is rather nice | Nov 20 02:27 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: "one-trick pony..." | Nov 20 02:27 |
| schestowitz | Now they have Chrome OS | Nov 20 02:27 |
| sebsebseb | I think that will become my host OS for now when I get rid of Karmic :) | Nov 20 02:28 |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: OK, nice to hear. Mandriva is traditionally more KDE0esque | Nov 20 02:28 |
| schestowitz | With GTK for admin tools | Nov 20 02:28 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I haven't tried the KDE 4 version | Nov 20 02:28 |
| sebsebseb | also there must be a way to have them both installed? | Nov 20 02:28 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I run some KDE apps in Gnome anyway | Nov 20 02:29 |
| _goblin | sebsebseb: Whats wrong with Karmic? | Nov 20 02:30 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: overall jauntey is better for me anyway | Nov 20 02:30 |
| _goblin | ah | Nov 20 02:30 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I don't want to put jauntey back on this computer | Nov 20 02:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Server Products Stick with #GNU #Linux http://www.internetnews.com/hardware/article.php/3849136 | Nov 20 02:30 | |
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| sebsebseb | as the host OS | Nov 20 02:31 |
| _goblin | I missed most Ubuntu's after Hardy..... | Nov 20 02:31 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: I did Debian Stable earlier in a vm | Nov 20 02:31 |
| schestowitz | I thought it was the mono-gimp thing... | Nov 20 02:31 |
| sebsebseb | that's rather nice | Nov 20 02:31 |
| sebsebseb | ,but the packages are old | Nov 20 02:31 |
| sebsebseb | ,but that's the Debian Stable way | Nov 20 02:31 |
| sebsebseb | then I upgraded that vm to testing, but x server needs configuring hmm | Nov 20 02:31 |
| _goblin | stripping Mono was easy... | Nov 20 02:31 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Australia Chooses #GNU #Linux for New #Supercomputer http://brendanscott.wordpress.com/2009/11/17/new-aussie-supercomputer-runs-linux/ | Nov 20 02:32 | |
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| _goblin | Im trying to pull myself away from Gnome and KDE was very good..... | Nov 20 02:32 |
| _goblin | but in anycase Xfce still remains the winner. | Nov 20 02:32 |
| sebsebseb | KDE 4 as a GUI for the OS no thanks | Nov 20 02:32 |
| sebsebseb | a few KDE apps inside Gnome though, yes please | Nov 20 02:32 |
| sebsebseb | XFCE well Xubuntu hmmm nice background | Nov 20 02:33 |
| sebsebseb | ,but the way the panel was done and stuff I was like no | Nov 20 02:33 |
| sebsebseb | then I tried some distro in a vm, an XFCE one, and I thought it was rather nice looking | Nov 20 02:33 |
| sebsebseb | what's wrong with 9.10 a few things | Nov 20 02:34 |
| _goblin | I must admit...it was the first time I had to "fiddle" with Ubuntu to get it working correctly..... | Nov 20 02:34 |
| _goblin | main issue was sound. | Nov 20 02:34 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: yeah I got no sound right now | Nov 20 02:34 |
| sebsebseb | I had the log in sound | Nov 20 02:34 |
| sebsebseb | when I turned on uhmm | Nov 20 02:34 |
| _goblin | I had the speaker killing "POP" when sound was initialized. | Nov 20 02:35 |
| _goblin | very nasty | Nov 20 02:35 |
| *sebsebseb checks conky | Nov 20 02:35 | |
| sebsebseb | 5d 4h 58m | Nov 20 02:35 |
| _goblin | the offending script needed to be changed: | Nov 20 02:35 |
| sebsebseb | ago | Nov 20 02:35 |
| _goblin | options snd-hda-intel power_save=0 power_save_controller=N | Nov 20 02:35 |
| sebsebseb | I normalley turn this computer off | Nov 20 02:35 |
| sebsebseb | and I will start putting it on suspend more assuming it wil also work in Mandriva | Nov 20 02:36 |
| _goblin | in: alsa-base.conf | Nov 20 02:36 |
| _goblin | never used suspend...my machine is either on or off....as is my router... | Nov 20 02:36 |
| sebsebseb | GDM 2 that can't be themed, I dont' like that | Nov 20 02:37 |
| sebsebseb | silly upstream Gnome when it came to that | Nov 20 02:37 |
| sebsebseb | new icon theme, Empathy instead of Pidgin for clean installs, Ubuntu One, and Grub 2, hardly count as new features | Nov 20 02:38 |
| sebsebseb | Ext4 by default that's good I guess | Nov 20 02:38 |
| sebsebseb | ,but doesn't seem to make much differnece from when I tested 9.10 with Ext3 first from the hard disk | Nov 20 02:38 |
| sebsebseb | and then with Ext4 | Nov 20 02:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #phoronix on #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 10.04 #Kernel Space http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzcxOQ | Nov 20 02:38 | |
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| _goblin | I agree.... | Nov 20 02:39 |
| _goblin | Ive found little (if any) difference | Nov 20 02:39 |
| sebsebseb | doesn't seem to make much difference with Xsplash, I think that Ubuntu logo in the centre of the screen on boot up is a bit lame or something. I like the Ubuntu text dust theme screen though, but I changed from GDM to KDM, so I don't see that when doing KDM | Nov 20 02:39 |
| sebsebseb | a much newer kernel to the one in 9.04, well uh huh, but so what, unless it's needed to fix hardware or something? | Nov 20 02:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Proprietary World Lives/Thrives Also on Top of #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/g64g http://ur1.ca/g64h | Nov 20 02:40 | |
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| _goblin | wasn't there some heavy optimization in the newer kernel? | Nov 20 02:41 |
| _goblin | could be wrong there. | Nov 20 02:41 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: uhmm I don't know, but the kernel deals with Ext4 | Nov 20 02:41 |
| _goblin | what is amazing about 9.10 is the shutdown time... | Nov 20 02:41 |
| sebsebseb | it wasn't quite stable in 9.04, since the kernel and that. ,but when Ext4 was done | Nov 20 02:41 |
| _goblin | Im not sure how it fared in 9.04 though.... | Nov 20 02:42 |
| sebsebseb | oh yes I noticed a speed improvement, for start up, shut down, and the automatic disk checking after 23 or so boots | Nov 20 02:42 |
| sebsebseb | in 9.04 | Nov 20 02:42 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: I already had the Ext4 advantages in 9.04 basicalley | Nov 20 02:42 |
| sebsebseb | also XFS is meant to have those same advantages basicalley | Nov 20 02:42 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME Gets New Release Prepared, #Zeitgeist Explained http://ur1.ca/g64j http://ur1.ca/g64k | Nov 20 02:42 | |
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| _goblin | is ext4 responsible for the quick shut down times? | Nov 20 02:43 |
| sebsebseb | in 9.04 yes | Nov 20 02:43 |
| sebsebseb | for the fast boot up, shutdown, and disk checking after 23 or so boots | Nov 20 02:43 |
| _goblin | Ive ran ext4 in other distro's and haven't had the same experience.... | Nov 20 02:43 |
| _goblin | I think it was Chakra... | Nov 20 02:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Kamoso Still Coming to #KDE http://kamoso.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/we-are-still-alive-summary-of-the-last-weeks-in-kamoso-land/ | Nov 20 02:43 | |
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| sebsebseb | in 9.10 Ext4 is meant to speed things up, but I been in the big channel when at least one or two people said it slowed things down or something | Nov 20 02:44 |
| sebsebseb | Ext4 uh | Nov 20 02:44 |
| sebsebseb | I meant to put | Nov 20 02:44 |
| sebsebseb | Xsplash | Nov 20 02:44 |
| _goblin | compared to Chakra...Ubuntu is about 10 times faster in shutting down... | Nov 20 02:44 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: I guess i'll put Mandriva on and run that as host for a while or so | Nov 20 02:44 |
| _goblin | and unless Im being a total Hadron, Chakra was ext4 | Nov 20 02:45 |
| sebsebseb | then if 10.04 is good enough, probably put that on and run that for a while | Nov 20 02:45 |
| _goblin | is that LTS? | Nov 20 02:45 |
| sebsebseb | yes | Nov 20 02:45 |
| _goblin | may go for that... | Nov 20 02:45 |
| _goblin | 8.04 served me well. | Nov 20 02:45 |
| sebsebseb | 8.10 served me well, rather well indeed at the time | Nov 20 02:45 |
| sebsebseb | Ext4 came along in 9.04 as an optional file system | Nov 20 02:46 |
| _goblin | I had a convoluted modded Ubuntu SE/8.04 LTS for a long time. Fast as hell and rock solid. | Nov 20 02:46 |
| sebsebseb | on the other computer I wanted to run 8.10 instead of 9.04 | Nov 20 02:46 |
| sebsebseb | when 8.04 was getting to old for my likeing on there | Nov 20 02:46 |
| sebsebseb | so I upgraded to 8.10 | Nov 20 02:46 |
| sebsebseb | and it was all good, except the ethernet woudn't work | Nov 20 02:46 |
| sebsebseb | I thought well ok then, so something went wrong on upgrade, i'll clean install, and put the 64bit version on this time as well | Nov 20 02:47 |
| _goblin | its funny you say 8.04 was getting old....the latest Gnusense is based on it. | Nov 20 02:47 |
| sebsebseb | was running 32bit before on there. and it's 2GB RAM | Nov 20 02:47 |
| Ender2070 | doesnt mean its not old | Nov 20 02:47 |
| sebsebseb | that computer can't run Windows at the moment :D | Nov 20 02:47 |
| sebsebseb | Windows messed up big time recently | Nov 20 02:47 |
| Ender2070 | 8.04 = April 2008 | Nov 20 02:47 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu 9.04 is working fine on there still | Nov 20 02:47 |
| _goblin | yes I am aware... | Nov 20 02:47 |
| _goblin | that was at Ender | Nov 20 02:48 |
| sebsebseb | anyway going back to my story | Nov 20 02:48 |
| sebsebseb | so I put 8.10 on a clean isntall, and oh no the ethernet woudn't work | Nov 20 02:48 |
| sebsebseb | then I try it on the Live CD, and it won't work there either | Nov 20 02:48 |
| sebsebseb | so I end up putting 9.04 on with Ext4 instead | Nov 20 02:48 |
| sebsebseb | I went to the big channel for help with the ethernet issue, but no luck | Nov 20 02:49 |
| sebsebseb | before 9.04 went on | Nov 20 02:49 |
| _goblin | apparently 8.10 had some very good benchmarks compared to 8.04 and 9.04 | Nov 20 02:49 |
| _goblin | having said that I had 8.04 since release day.....did I get comeback when I suggested Gnusense was less than current due to being based off it..... | Nov 20 02:50 |
| sebsebseb | what was that? | Nov 20 02:50 |
| _goblin | what? | Nov 20 02:51 |
| sebsebseb | what you just put | Nov 20 02:51 |
| _goblin | ah | Nov 20 02:51 |
| _goblin | yeah the new version of Gnusense was based off 8.04...I suggested that in order to get people using totally free distro, that may be a factor in them choosing not too. | Nov 20 02:52 |
| sebsebseb | uhmm I think you mean | Nov 20 02:52 |
| sebsebseb | Gnewsense | Nov 20 02:52 |
| _goblin | lol | Nov 20 02:52 |
| _goblin | yeah sorry | Nov 20 02:52 |
| _goblin | its 0250 here | Nov 20 02:52 |
| sebsebseb | same here | Nov 20 02:52 |
| _goblin | uk'r? | Nov 20 02:52 |
| sebsebseb | well when I put that | Nov 20 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | _goblin: The fact that it won't boot up or run well on most hardware may be a turnoff | Nov 20 02:52 |
| sebsebseb | it said | Nov 20 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | though wifi firmware shows promise | Nov 20 02:52 |
| sebsebseb | [02:49] <sebsebseb> same here | Nov 20 02:53 |
| DaemonFC | I think the more pragmatic goal is to get people off Windows by presenting them with something that works | Nov 20 02:53 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: 8.04 was pretty stable and on all hardware it was spot on for me...I deployed 8.04 on about 7 different friends machines. | Nov 20 02:53 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: yes UK | Nov 20 02:53 |
| _goblin | nr London? | Nov 20 02:53 |
| sebsebseb | no | Nov 20 02:54 |
| _goblin | Im Bedfordshire | Nov 20 02:54 |
| sebsebseb | ok not near me | Nov 20 02:54 |
| _goblin | met quite a few people on Twitter from around my area. | Nov 20 02:54 |
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| sebsebseb | I need a change | Nov 20 02:55 |
| sebsebseb | Debian nah | Nov 20 02:55 |
| sebsebseb | not as a host | Nov 20 02:55 |
| sebsebseb | I want a proper change | Nov 20 02:55 |
| _goblin | I saw you were looking at Mandriva | Nov 20 02:55 |
| sebsebseb | since I have used Ubuntu as my main OS since 2005 | Nov 20 02:55 |
| _goblin | I was not impressed... | Nov 20 02:55 |
| _goblin | (in Mandriva) | Nov 20 02:56 |
| sebsebseb | and I started with Fedora Core 2 and 4 in 2004 | Nov 20 02:56 |
| sebsebseb | oh and Fedora 11 I wanted as my host OS when 9.04 was out | Nov 20 02:56 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Nov 20 02:56 |
| _goblin | I started with SUSE | Nov 20 02:56 |
| sebsebseb | it woudn't like my partiton set up, the custom install. then the installer said about that some bug and to report | Nov 20 02:56 |
| sebsebseb | maybe Fedora 12 will actsaully install and in that case maybe I will do that instead of Mandriva | Nov 20 02:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Gets New Contracts, #NSA Code Audit http://ur1.ca/g657 http://ur1.ca/g658 | Nov 20 02:56 | |
| DaemonFC | I started out with Red Hat 6 I think | Nov 20 02:57 |
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| sebsebseb | or maybe Sabayon won't be that bad, once I got the black Gnome theme changed to something else | Nov 20 02:57 |
| _goblin | For a standalone desktop distro, I can heartily recommend Wolvix | Nov 20 02:57 |
| _goblin | been using that for around 8 months. | Nov 20 02:57 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: that's uhmm Slackware based? | Nov 20 02:57 |
| _goblin | yep | Nov 20 02:57 |
| sebsebseb | yeah and not that popualr | Nov 20 02:57 |
| sebsebseb | popular | Nov 20 02:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian Called a "Universal Operating System" http://pthree.org/2009/11/17/debian-the-universal-operating-system/ | Nov 20 02:57 | |
| _goblin | and its install was less problematic than 9.10 | Nov 20 02:58 |
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| DaemonFC | I've never bothered with Slackware | Nov 20 02:58 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: was the install really eays to do, or like Arch things need setting up on install? | Nov 20 02:58 |
| _goblin | its a big myth that is difficult or weary.... | Nov 20 02:58 |
| _goblin | very simple.... | Nov 20 02:58 |
| _goblin | and the speed is astounding.... | Nov 20 02:58 |
| sebsebseb | well how to install stuff on it | Nov 20 02:59 |
| sebsebseb | I think I did a vm of it | Nov 20 02:59 |
| sebsebseb | when I tried loads of stuff | Nov 20 02:59 |
| sebsebseb | about three months ago | Nov 20 02:59 |
| sebsebseb | in vm | Nov 20 02:59 |
| _goblin | I compile most of my sw. | Nov 20 02:59 |
| sebsebseb | I went down the whole distrowatch list in fact | Nov 20 02:59 |
| sebsebseb | and tried quite a lot of distros from it | Nov 20 02:59 |
| sebsebseb | not all in one day of course | Nov 20 02:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora Reviews Aplenty (and Largely Positive) http://ur1.ca/g65b http://ur1.ca/g65c | Nov 20 02:59 | |
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| _goblin | honestly, if you get a free day, give Wolvix a look..... | Nov 20 03:00 |
| _goblin | you will be impressed.... | Nov 20 03:00 |
| sebsebseb | oh I have loads of free time at the moment | Nov 20 03:00 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: well yeah maybe, if I know how to install stuff on it | Nov 20 03:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Kubuntu and #Ubuntu 9.10: Reviews and Tips http://ur1.ca/g65g http://ur1.ca/g65h http://ur1.ca/g65i | Nov 20 03:00 | |
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| sebsebseb | _goblin: I think of Mandriva is a noobs distro really, like Ubuntu | Nov 20 03:01 |
| sebsebseb | however | Nov 20 03:01 |
| sebsebseb | as a above | Nov 20 03:01 |
| sebsebseb | however, that set up for Gnome is rather nice | Nov 20 03:01 |
| sebsebseb | :) | Nov 20 03:01 |
| _goblin | mmmm.....only to install....you can still compile you own sw and make life more difficult for yourself if you wish.... | Nov 20 03:01 |
| _goblin | :) | Nov 20 03:01 |
| _goblin | and like I say, I had to fiddle less with a slackware distro than I did with 9.10 | Nov 20 03:02 |
| _goblin | although I have to say Kubuntu 9.10 was flawless. | Nov 20 03:02 |
| sebsebseb | yeah with 9.04 sound would get muted sometimes | Nov 20 03:02 |
| sebsebseb | in 9.10 well I got no sound at all at the moemnt | Nov 20 03:02 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian Derivative #Knoppix 6.2 is Released http://ur1.ca/g65j http://ur1.ca/g65k | Nov 20 03:02 | |
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| _goblin | right, I think thats me done. | Nov 20 03:03 |
| _goblin | time for bed.... | Nov 20 03:03 |
| sebsebseb | ok night | Nov 20 03:03 |
| _goblin | gn | Nov 20 03:03 |
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| schestowitz | Mutex ban-evasion | Nov 20 03:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Company's Death Shows the Danger of Proprietary Software/Data http://ur1.ca/g667 http://ur1.ca/g668 | Nov 20 03:16 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Upscale horseback riding school was #CIA #torture site http://ur1.ca/g66o | Nov 20 03:26 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I think GNOME is going in the right direction with a lot of things | Nov 20 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | Empathy is even starting to support Voice and Video between itself and WLM (MSN) | Nov 20 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | I think a good way to subvert proprietary software is to become compatible with it | Nov 20 03:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #CMS #Midgard2 9.09 is Released http://www.midgard-project.org/updates/midgard2_9-09-mjolnir-released/ | Nov 20 03:35 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla 's Personas Reaches New Milestone http://mozillalabs.com/personas/2009/11/18/personas-10-million-and-growing/ | Nov 20 03:37 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10401403-1.html | Nov 20 03:40 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/19/internet_explorer_9_standards/ | Nov 20 03:41 |
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| Ender2070 | Empathy is the tool of the devil | Nov 20 03:41 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New York Times; Time to Start Over Again with #Patent (Monopoly) Systems http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/17/opinion/17pozen.html?_r=2 | Nov 20 03:48 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patent System in the #Philippines Hijacked by Multinationals, Invaders http://ur1.ca/g67t | Nov 20 03:50 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OReilly Goes to the Dark Side with #Books (Must Use Proprietary Software) http://ur1.ca/g67w | Nov 20 03:51 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Novell's de Icaza Spouts Out #FOSS #FUD in Ballmer's Event http://infoworld.com/d/open-source/making-money-open-source-still-issue-169 | Nov 20 03:52 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GIMP Replaced by #Mono / #Winforms #Trojan Horse http://ur1.ca/g67z #novell #trap #ubuntu | Nov 20 03:52 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Ruins #Christmas with Closure http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1562812/microsoft-scraps-payroll-service-xmas | Nov 20 03:54 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: My bank's site would send you to an upgrade your browser page if you were not using IE or Firefox on Windows | Nov 20 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | they changed that after I sent them some angry emails | Nov 20 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | it has worked with Opera, Firefox, and most other browsers, on Windows or Linux ever since | Nov 20 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | it really angers me when they say "You can't come in" when I'm using a browser that's fully capable of rendering their site | Nov 20 04:26 |
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| Ender2070 | its probably because nobody likes opera | Nov 20 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | I like Opera | Nov 20 04:50 |
| Ender2070 | does anyone like you? | Nov 20 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | sure | Nov 20 04:50 |
| Ender2070 | ;) | Nov 20 04:50 |
| Ender2070 | im kidding u know | Nov 20 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | I've played around with Unite in the 10.10 builds | Nov 20 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | very useful | Nov 20 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know what's to hate about Opera other than maybe that it's not open source | Nov 20 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | it's still a nice program | Nov 20 04:51 |
| Ender2070 | that paints it nicely | Nov 20 04:51 |
| Ender2070 | its not open source | Nov 20 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | I still feel I can trust it more than IE, Firefox, Chrome, and Safari | Nov 20 04:51 |
| Ender2070 | you dont even know what its really doing | Nov 20 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | by not trusting Firefox, I mean it has a lot of exploits and malware out there targeting it now | Nov 20 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | and a lot of them are theoretically cross platform | Nov 20 04:52 |
| Ender2070 | just use linux | Nov 20 04:52 |
| Ender2070 | malware effects windows | Nov 20 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | I still don't like Firefox, it feels bloated and slow | Nov 20 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | I may like it more when they make it truly multithreaded and give it a more passable IRC client | Nov 20 04:53 |
| Ender2070 | irc clients belong as seperate apps | Nov 20 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | 4.0 mockups for Windows at least look more attractive than what they have out now | Nov 20 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | I find that IRC fits well within a browser | Nov 20 04:54 |
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| Ender2070 | why dont you use chromiumos then | Nov 20 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | Opera is displaying this room the same way it displays a web page | Nov 20 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | it even styles everything I see using HTML, javascript, and CSS | Nov 20 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | very lightweight, it adds almost nothing to the size or memory footprint of the browser | Nov 20 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | this tab uses the same amount of memory as rendering a simple web page | Nov 20 04:55 |
| Ender2070 | if your going to use your browser as an operating system, at least do it right | Nov 20 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | of course I do have 8 gigs of RAM | Nov 20 04:55 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os | Nov 20 04:55 |
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| DaemonFC | but I can appreciate the efficiency | Nov 20 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: Well, you have a bad choice to make anyway | Nov 20 05:00 |
| Ender2070 | ?? | Nov 20 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | You can use Windows, which is clunky, slow, full of bugs, and insecure. You can use Linux, which is incompatible with at least 30% of the programs you use, documentation is sometimes leaving things to be desired, and problems while less frequent, are harder to fix. You can use a Mac, which is just weird. You can use "Chrome OS" and have a browser and nothing else. | Nov 20 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | I see Ubuntu trying to answer the Linux flakiness by trying to dumb it down | Nov 20 05:03 |
| Ender2070 | Linux is compatible with 100% of the apps I use | Nov 20 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | remove anything that might confuse you instead of trying to properly document it | Nov 20 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | instead of removing GIMP, why don't they just use that patch that gives it the all-in-one look of Photoshop? | Nov 20 05:04 |
| Ender2070 | because they want to put in paint.mono | Nov 20 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | they're taking away options, making it harder on users who need more than F-Spot can do but may be unaware that Gimp exists | Nov 20 05:04 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #NSA helped #Microsoft improve #Windows7 #security, Windows 7 still #unsecure #trash http://ur1.ca/g6cx | Nov 20 06:01 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Apple #iPhone #sucks #NewsAt11 http://ur1.ca/g6d8 | Nov 20 06:06 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Extinct cold blooded goat tasted like chicken http://ur1.ca/g6dc | Nov 20 06:06 | |
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| Balrog | interesting ... Word 2008 for Mac won't properly read formulas in a certain .docx from Word 2007, but OpenOffice will | Nov 20 06:10 |
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| Diablo-D3 | ironic | Nov 20 06:18 |
| Balrog | yea, I guess | Nov 20 06:27 |
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| Balrog | an MS product can't open a file created by an advertised-compatible MS product (it actually puts out a warning about this) | Nov 20 06:28 |
| Balrog | and OpenOffice can | Nov 20 06:28 |
| ender2070 | lol | Nov 20 06:29 |
| ender2070 | I find it silly too | Nov 20 06:29 |
| Balrog | ooxml isn't open at all :( | Nov 20 06:31 |
| Balrog | as this shows | Nov 20 06:31 |
| ender2070 | lol | Nov 20 07:41 |
| ender2070 | lefty made another sexist remark | Nov 20 07:41 |
| ender2070 | http://blip.tv/file/2498707/ | Nov 20 07:41 |
| ender2070 | my mom knows how to compile software -_- | Nov 20 07:42 |
| ender2070 | what a jerk | Nov 20 07:42 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Come compare books with me on Goodreads: http://bit.ly/EX0Rq | Nov 20 07:52 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Patent expert Axel Horns confirms EU-wide patent injunctions from Turkey, thanks to UPLS: http://i5.be/Ua | Nov 20 09:44 | |
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| schestowitz | Mutex does not give up nymshifting | Nov 20 09:46 |
| ender2070 | lol | Nov 20 09:49 |
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| Ender2070 | i just about killed myself laughing | Nov 20 10:36 |
| schestowitz | And incarnated? | Nov 20 10:42 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] personally i blame Fight Club http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8369674.stm (for @lupiestardust) | Nov 20 10:46 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Observations About #WIPO Numbers, Deteriorating System and Its Effects http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/20/wipo-numbers/ | Nov 20 10:48 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] wish I'd written this http://is.gd/4ZwxD #threestrikes | Nov 20 10:54 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] testinf from Finch | Nov 20 10:54 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] well that worked, albeit with a typo I didn't notice lol | Nov 20 10:55 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "Right, so what's that program written in?" "Their own poop, at a guess." | Nov 20 11:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Fight Mandelson. Join the Open Rights Group. £5/mo direct debit. They kick arse. http://www.openrightsgroup.org/join #threestrikes | Nov 20 11:22 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @anivar Thanks to a list, I discovered your Twitter account! Nice to meet you! | Nov 20 11:23 | |
| cubezzz | ok, opensolaris is gone | Nov 20 11:25 |
| schestowitz | Well, not in general | Nov 20 11:28 |
| cubezzz | no, just from my computer :) | Nov 20 11:29 |
| oiaohm | Ok what won you over instead cubezzz | Nov 20 11:30 |
| cubezzz | I have to say Fedora | Nov 20 11:30 |
| cubezzz | plus I also use Embedix and tiny core | Nov 20 11:31 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Wants to Change Perception http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/20/novell-perception-pr/ | Nov 20 11:32 | |
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| cubezzz | opensolaris just would not co-exist with fedora | Nov 20 11:33 |
| cubezzz | I'll try it again when I get another computer | Nov 20 11:34 |
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| cubezzz2 | in other news the economy is still flat | Nov 20 11:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Microsoft makes patent claim for sparklines: http://i5.be/Uf | Nov 20 11:52 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post - Compiz & The Notification Panel On XFCE | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/yzs2vm6 | Nov 20 12:00 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Compiz & The Notification Panel On XFCE | The Digital Prism .::. Size~: 10.36 KB | Nov 20 12:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] British company trying to patent image recognition: http://i5.be/Ug | Nov 20 12:17 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The IPKat - on the prowl for IP news: Internet-hosted prior art and proof of publication: UK not bound by EPO level of proof .::. Size~: 137.67 KB | Nov 20 12:17 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: just flat? | Nov 20 12:28 |
| schestowitz | I'd say worse than that | Nov 20 12:28 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: I'd quote Kevin from Fedora | Nov 20 12:30 |
| schestowitz | Not that I think he'll like it | Nov 20 12:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google stole Microsoft's thunder last night. http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1562863/google-pushes-os | Nov 20 12:31 | |
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| schestowitz | The Reg Slog against Google appears to be continuing. I can't help wondering if it's a calculated move. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/20/google_chrome_os/ | Nov 20 12:32 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Google Chrome OS - do we want another monoculture? • The Register .::. Size~: 31.22 KB | Nov 20 12:32 |
| oiaohm | Ok what is that guy drinking. | Nov 20 12:32 |
| oiaohm | Chrome OS demard Web Standard apps. | Nov 20 12:32 |
| oiaohm | So in theory every application for Chrome OS is an application for every platform. | Nov 20 12:33 |
| schestowitz | Cade is usually OK | Nov 20 12:33 |
| schestowitz | I don't understand why the Reg has been releasing TONS of anti-Google articles recently | Nov 20 12:33 |
| schestowitz | I got E-mails about it | Nov 20 12:33 |
| schestowitz | I'm not the only one noticing | Nov 20 12:33 |
| schestowitz | "Google will get your data..." | Nov 20 12:34 |
| schestowitz | "Google will be Linux monopoly..." | Nov 20 12:34 |
| schestowitz | "Google will photograph your house..." | Nov 20 12:34 |
| schestowitz | "Google will sh*g your wife..." | Nov 20 12:34 |
| oiaohm | Fear | Nov 20 12:34 |
| schestowitz | Meh. FUD | Nov 20 12:34 |
| schestowitz | Waste of paper, IMHO | Nov 20 12:35 |
| oiaohm | Google is getting a very powerful company. | Nov 20 12:35 |
| oiaohm | The missed the big one. GPS nav systems could be crushed by google. | Nov 20 12:35 |
| schestowitz | Google has not done much to be seen as felonious | Nov 20 12:35 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: support openstreetmap | Nov 20 12:36 |
| schestowitz | Marble is NICE! | Nov 20 12:36 |
| oiaohm | chrome OS storage options I would like to se extended. | Nov 20 12:36 |
| MinceR | marble isn't all that great | Nov 20 12:36 |
| MinceR | i can't zoom in on budapest with it and the roads aren't visible either | Nov 20 12:36 |
| oiaohm | openstreetmap does not have all roads. | Nov 20 12:37 |
| oiaohm | And there are image data level limits. | Nov 20 12:37 |
| oiaohm | I have used marble embed to show global data. | Nov 20 12:37 |
| schestowitz | And again...... v | Nov 20 12:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/20/google_wave_appeal/ | Nov 20 12:38 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Google Wave relies on kindness of strangers • The Register .::. Size~: 30.25 KB | Nov 20 12:38 |
| schestowitz | This one from Microsoft shill Gavin Clarke | Nov 20 12:38 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: add to it then | Nov 20 12:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/11/09/murdoch-on-blocking-search-engines-i-think-we-will | Nov 20 12:42 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Murdoch On Blocking Search Engines: "I Think We Will" | WebProNews .::. Size~: 38.38 KB | Nov 20 12:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/11/13/youtube-on-verge-of-supporting-1080p-video | Nov 20 12:42 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 80% of Consumers Would Not Pay For Content http://ur1.ca/g6ww artificial scarcity - almost always bad | Nov 20 12:43 | |
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| schestowitz | Has anyone built Chromium OS yet? | Nov 20 12:43 |
| schestowitz | Google sez that you can't download the OS, it doesn't do HDD, and that it only comes preinstalled with h/w | Nov 20 12:44 |
| oiaohm | You can download the source. | Nov 20 12:46 |
| oiaohm | Not the built program. | Nov 20 12:46 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: huh? | Nov 20 12:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: a leeeeeeeeetle less fud kthx | Nov 20 12:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | and no one cares about chromeos | Nov 20 12:54 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: that's what I heard | Nov 20 12:59 |
| schestowitz | http://futurenewstoday.blogspot.com/2009/11/times-up-for-tim-geithner.html | Nov 20 12:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://gawker.com/5407298/goldman-sachs-heres-some-money-poor-people-now-shut-up-about-our-bonuses | Nov 20 12:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/11/19/is-lloyd-blankfein-a-liar/ | Nov 20 12:59 |
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| schestowitz | YouTube introduces automatic captions for deaf viewers http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8369941.stm | Nov 20 13:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091117/0030476959.shtml | Nov 20 13:10 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Viacom's General Counsel Lecture On Copyright Leaves Out Certain Facts | Techdirt .::. Size~: 149.34 KB | Nov 20 13:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.myeyewitnessnews.com/news/local/story/Police-Used-Taser-on-10-Year-Old-Girl-in-Arkansas/TmJF90vcV0iCT_hYQHl1Gg.cspx?rss=59 | Nov 20 13:11 |
| schestowitz | At first I thought it was a joke | Nov 20 13:13 |
| schestowitz | What's next? Sending little girls to remote torture camps? | Nov 20 13:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/18/emals_test_facility_opens/ | Nov 20 13:14 |
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| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canberra_class_large_amphibious_ship Closet thing Australia has planed to be like a aircraft carrior. Emals kinda useless for it. | Nov 20 13:30 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hypothesis: #Mono Proponents Will Replace #GIMP with Paint.NET http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/20/gimp-removed-from-ubuntu/ | Nov 20 13:33 | |
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| oiaohm | Aircraft are not much use in the near by islands to australia where we have most of the problems we sort out. | Nov 20 13:33 |
| schestowitz | Check out this sign: http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/?p=1578 | Nov 20 13:33 |
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| schestowitz | Introducing the Linux OAPC (Old Age Personal Computer) http://www.daniweb.com/news/story239453.html | Nov 20 13:36 |
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| schestowitz | I wonder if it'll stick in the headlines at all | Nov 20 13:36 |
| oiaohm | I have to get back on to the maker of that interface. | Nov 20 13:37 |
| oiaohm | You set country australia and you get non english interface. | Nov 20 13:38 |
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| oiaohm | Hmm its appearing that blogger has about a 5000 post limit | Nov 20 13:41 |
| schestowitz | This is ridiculous. "Most newspapers are declining in circulation, and the Internet is partly to blame. I make part of my living writing for newspapers, but even I am less likely to subscribe to or buy the print edition now that I can get my news for free on my PC and my cell phone." | Nov 20 13:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.mercurynews.com/business-headlines/ci_13774438?nclick_check=1 | Nov 20 13:44 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Magid: It's time to start thinking about a news tax - San Jose Mercury News .::. Size~: 63.3 KB | Nov 20 13:44 |
| schestowitz | New "tax" | Nov 20 13:44 |
| schestowitz | What other "tax" should we have? | Nov 20 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Sewer tax makes more sense than paying for text | Nov 20 13:44 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: also tag limits in Blogger | Nov 20 13:44 |
| schestowitz | It's ridiculous | Nov 20 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Do they then start charging? | Nov 20 13:45 |
| schestowitz | BN has 8150 posts | Nov 20 13:45 |
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| oiaohm | 5000 comment limit schestowitz | Nov 20 13:46 |
| cubezzz | we're getting the HST soon :-/ | Nov 20 13:49 |
| MinceR | 144222 <@schestowitz> What other "tax" should we have? | Nov 20 13:49 |
| MinceR | tax tax! | Nov 20 13:49 |
| cubezzz | tax on tacks :) | Nov 20 13:50 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 20 13:50 |
| cubezzz | which we have had for a while now | Nov 20 13:50 |
| cubezzz | basically HST means we pay two taxes on everything but groceries | Nov 20 13:51 |
| cubezzz | and water (I think) | Nov 20 13:51 |
| MinceR | also, you pay taxes when you get the money you spend on those | Nov 20 13:51 |
| MinceR | (income tax) | Nov 20 13:51 |
| cubezzz | yes, above a certain theshold | Nov 20 13:51 |
| cubezzz | we also pay a hidden tax on blank media | Nov 20 13:54 |
| cubezzz | there is a solution though | Nov 20 13:57 |
| cubezzz | basically it boils down to more efficient use of available resources | Nov 20 13:57 |
| MinceR | do you mean the abolition of the state? | Nov 20 13:58 |
| cubezzz | no I wouldn't say that | Nov 20 13:58 |
| MinceR | that would be my solution though | Nov 20 13:59 |
| cubezzz | we have a fairly humane government | Nov 20 13:59 |
| cubezzz | each individual should try to become more self-reliant | Nov 20 14:00 |
| cubezzz | after that government could be pruned back | Nov 20 14:00 |
| schestowitz | [said the politician to self] | Nov 20 14:01 |
| schestowitz | [that they should become self-reliant..] | Nov 20 14:01 |
| oiaohm | We are a little limited cubezzz | Nov 20 14:01 |
| schestowitz | I.e. independent from the public | Nov 20 14:01 |
| schestowitz | The idea is that the public must be kept out of the public arena | Nov 20 14:02 |
| schestowitz | If not by propaganda then by force | Nov 20 14:02 |
| oiaohm | Long time ago people could make any tool they need if they had the skills. cubezzz | Nov 20 14:02 |
| cubezzz | yes exactly | Nov 20 14:02 |
| schestowitz | Failing that, ensure that access to public arena means not influence | Nov 20 14:02 |
| oiaohm | You think about most of the tools you use today. cubezzz | Nov 20 14:02 |
| MinceR | 145733 < cubezzz> we have a fairly humane government | Nov 20 14:02 |
| oiaohm | You simpley don't have the gear the means or the matterials to replicate them cubezzz. | Nov 20 14:02 |
| MinceR | they are certainly acting in ways typical of humans | Nov 20 14:02 |
| MinceR | but there's nothing good about that | Nov 20 14:03 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, that is true | Nov 20 14:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/?p=1578 | Nov 20 14:03 |
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| cubezzz | I can't make a cpu for example | Nov 20 14:03 |
| oiaohm | http://reprap.org/bin/view/Main/WebHome Projects like this are important. | Nov 20 14:03 |
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| cubezzz | I can buy raw(er) materials and make something like a puzzle though | Nov 20 14:03 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: do you need a CPU? | Nov 20 14:03 |
| oiaohm | but they are a long way off from allowing true small scale production. | Nov 20 14:03 |
| schestowitz | I guess hospitals need those | Nov 20 14:03 |
| cubezzz | that is part of my job | Nov 20 14:03 |
| schestowitz | What does the job produce? | Nov 20 14:04 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, as a computer consultant? Pretty much | Nov 20 14:04 |
| oiaohm | Banking schestowitz. | Nov 20 14:04 |
| cubezzz | we live in the 21st century, I'm not suggesting going Amish :) | Nov 20 14:04 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: you can trade without banks | Nov 20 14:04 |
| cubezzz | it would be neat if I could make my own shoes though | Nov 20 14:04 |
| schestowitz | In theory you can | Nov 20 14:04 |
| oiaohm | Very had todo where I am schestowitz | Nov 20 14:05 |
| schestowitz | I give you sheep, you give me access to water | Nov 20 14:05 |
| oiaohm | hard | Nov 20 14:05 |
| oiaohm | Barter is not used. | Nov 20 14:05 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: that's why I said "in theory" | Nov 20 14:05 |
| cubezzz | yes there are still barter systems | Nov 20 14:05 |
| cubezzz | but money is simpler | Nov 20 14:05 |
| schestowitz | Anarcho-primitivism is an ugly thing | Nov 20 14:05 |
| oiaohm | Electronic money can move long range. | Nov 20 14:05 |
| cubezzz | it is easier to adjust in small increments | Nov 20 14:06 |
| schestowitz | Money does not move | Nov 20 14:06 |
| oiaohm | Where batter is a pain in the ass to do long range. | Nov 20 14:06 |
| cubezzz | that is what Stallman did | Nov 20 14:06 |
| schestowitz | Money is not an object | Nov 20 14:06 |
| oiaohm | Data moves. | Nov 20 14:06 |
| schestowitz | It's sometimes a piece of paper that says you can exchange it without something tangiable | Nov 20 14:06 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes money is just some number in a computer (DB) somewhere | Nov 20 14:06 |
| cubezzz | money is just crystallized effort | Nov 20 14:07 |
| schestowitz | That number can also be used to play raffles with "Derivatives" and stuff to exchange with material things for no justification | Nov 20 14:07 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: go back to basics of money | Nov 20 14:07 |
| schestowitz | For instance: | Nov 20 14:08 |
| schestowitz | Some people's 401s went "poof" | Nov 20 14:08 |
| schestowitz | It shows you it does not exist | Nov 20 14:08 |
| schestowitz | It's just some words or digits on paper | Nov 20 14:08 |
| cubezzz | well that's why everyone's going nuts on gold | Nov 20 14:08 |
| cubezzz | $1100+ an ounce | Nov 20 14:09 |
| schestowitz | Money is debt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVkFb26u9g8&feature=related | Nov 20 14:09 |
| oiaohm | Yep money started out as metal of value. | Nov 20 14:09 |
| oiaohm | Not all money is debt schestowitz | Nov 20 14:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.electronicsweekly.com/Articles/2009/11/19/47465/ibm-aims-to-simulate-brains-abilities-with-computer-system.htm | Nov 20 14:09 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: true | Nov 20 14:10 |
| schestowitz | But it's created from debt a lot of the time | Nov 20 14:10 |
| oiaohm | Aztec coco bean money was funny. | Nov 20 14:10 |
| schestowitz | The idea that some "GDP" can be sustained in the future | Nov 20 14:10 |
| schestowitz | And it assumes the world is in infinite source for extraction (and infinitely large garbage can) | Nov 20 14:10 |
| oiaohm | All money should be based on solid items stored. | Nov 20 14:10 |
| schestowitz | Should | Nov 20 14:10 |
| schestowitz | Not is | Nov 20 14:10 |
| oiaohm | This debt based money brings nightmares from time to time. | Nov 20 14:11 |
| oiaohm | Particularly if its unstable debt it been created from. | Nov 20 14:11 |
| oiaohm | Ie subprime. | Nov 20 14:11 |
| oiaohm | Global debt cannot rise for ever. | Nov 20 14:12 |
| cubezzz | there will be more corrections | Nov 20 14:12 |
| oiaohm | subprime is only tip of iceberg. | Nov 20 14:12 |
| oiaohm | Lot of the EU has very high land prices that have to correct at some point. | Nov 20 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Everything is fine, oiaohm | Nov 20 14:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/18/goldman-sachs-would-have_n_362216.html | Nov 20 14:13 |
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| schestowitz | "In total, Goldman had $22.1 billion in credit default swaps contracts with AIG." | Nov 20 14:13 |
| schestowitz | "For some perspective, Goldman has already set aside $17 billion for bonuses this year, which could climb to $23 billion by year’s end. " | Nov 20 14:13 |
| schestowitz | http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/11/18/blankfein-is-kinda-sorry/ | Nov 20 14:13 |
| schestowitz | See? Why worry. | Nov 20 14:14 |
| schestowitz | The banks are fine | Nov 20 14:14 |
| cubezzz | ummm | Nov 20 14:14 |
| cubezzz | :) | Nov 20 14:14 |
| schestowitz | They are victims of all those families wanting to spend | Nov 20 14:14 |
| schestowitz | So, please, leave Goldman alooooone !! | Nov 20 14:16 |
| cubezzz | trying to figure out who was this mega-fraudster from the 20's | Nov 20 14:16 |
| schestowitz | Rockefeller? :-) | Nov 20 14:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120564604 | Nov 20 14:16 |
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| schestowitz | "When John D. Rockefeller was feared and famous as the master monopolist of American industry, he used to hand out shiny new dimes to the urchins gathered around him on the street. Most Americans were not charmed by this philanthropic gesture. Rockefeller became a living symbol of miserly indifference. Nor will Lloyd Blankfein, CEO of Goldman Sachs, win much public affection for his charitable capitalism." | Nov 20 14:16 |
| cubezzz | I keep seeing Ponzi, but there was someone worse than Ponzi I think | Nov 20 14:16 |
| cubezzz | and yes Rockefeller was worse, way worse than Gates if you adjust for inflation | Nov 20 14:17 |
| schestowitz | Big cat..... http://www.unixmen.com/news-today/561-ubuntu-1010-tls-may-include-a-backup-tool-by-default | Nov 20 14:17 |
| schestowitz | No, Gates is small potatoes | Nov 20 14:21 |
| schestowitz | I was not making such a comparison. You'd need to compare to Rothschilds maybe. | Nov 20 14:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9141183/Google_goes_for_speed_security_in_Chrome_OS?source=rss_opsys | Nov 20 14:21 |
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| schestowitz | Built on Debian. http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS3436052937.html?kc=rss | Nov 20 14:23 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Debian Linux-based Google Chrome OS debuts, goes open source .::. Size~: 36.34 KB | Nov 20 14:23 |
| schestowitz | Lenny OS | Nov 20 14:23 |
| schestowitz | Let's hope Google donates to Debian | Nov 20 14:23 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, I read that at one point Rockefeller tried to control the _world's_ oil, not just the US | Nov 20 14:23 |
| schestowitz | Power knows no limit | Nov 20 14:24 |
| schestowitz | Basically, they can also use the US military as control vehicle | Nov 20 14:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Now that #Google uses #Debian for its OS maybe they ought to make a donation | Nov 20 14:25 | |
| schestowitz | I heard of this journalist who spoke to a Rockefeller | Nov 20 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Privately he was told by them that a major event would happen leading to the whole middle east oil hog | Nov 20 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Iraq 'war' | Nov 20 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Fabricated | Nov 20 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Lie upon lie | Nov 20 14:25 |
| cubezzz | his descendants became State Governors | Nov 20 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 20 14:25 |
| schestowitz | I know | Nov 20 14:25 |
| schestowitz | It's kind of odd | Nov 20 14:26 |
| schestowitz | I know someone who wrote them letters | Nov 20 14:26 |
| schestowitz | To lobby for FOSS | Nov 20 14:26 |
| schestowitz | They can suck up all they want | Nov 20 14:26 |
| cubezzz | I imagine they still have tons o cash :) | Nov 20 14:26 |
| schestowitz | Remember: state govs are selected, not elected | Nov 20 14:26 |
| schestowitz | For obedience, conformity, good attitude (towards companies, not people) | Nov 20 14:26 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: yes, they have it distributed | Nov 20 14:27 |
| schestowitz | Same with Rothschild | Nov 20 14:27 |
| cubezzz | I don't hear about the Rockefeller family much now | Nov 20 14:27 |
| schestowitz | So no single person can be shown to possess huge wealth, also because they keep it secret | Nov 20 14:27 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: yes, they keep a low profile | Nov 20 14:27 |
| schestowitz | Gates is the opposite | Nov 20 14:27 |
| schestowitz | His PR firms make a lot of noise | Nov 20 14:28 |
| schestowitz | Esp. last month | Nov 20 14:28 |
| schestowitz | There was a PR blitz last month | Nov 20 14:28 |
| cubezzz | could someone be richer than Gates and we just don't know about it? | Nov 20 14:28 |
| schestowitz | Mother Teresa Gates comes to the Black Continent... | Nov 20 14:28 |
| schestowitz | [and to India] | Nov 20 14:28 |
| schestowitz | They now bring the same patent scams to India | Nov 20 14:28 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: I think so | Nov 20 14:29 |
| schestowitz | Depends how you measure and divide it | Nov 20 14:29 |
| schestowitz | Forbes counts people | Nov 20 14:29 |
| schestowitz | Not groups or families | Nov 20 14:29 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, Governors in the US are elected in gubernatorial elections | Nov 20 14:29 |
| schestowitz | And it uses publicly-availiable figures | Nov 20 14:29 |
| schestowitz | There are agencies that are good at sneaking into people's accounts and only estimating total wealth | Nov 20 14:29 |
| schestowitz | It's not somthing the rich people tell them | Nov 20 14:30 |
| schestowitz | They have this in each countries. They are like small research groups that pile up and update knowledge of assets each year | Nov 20 14:30 |
| schestowitz | I don't know how they monetise this work, other than publish it in newspapers, which are dying now anyway | Nov 20 14:30 |
| schestowitz | "Morton (1962) noted that the Rothschild wealth was estimated at over $6 billion US in 1850." | Nov 20 14:31 |
| schestowitz | ref: Morton, Frederic (1962). The Rothschilds. | Nov 20 14:32 |
| cubezzz | who did they make their money? | Nov 20 14:34 |
| cubezzz | who=how | Nov 20 14:34 |
| schestowitz | Anyway... http://www.workswithu.com/2009/11/19/google-chrome-os-should-ubuntu-and-canonical-worry/ | Nov 20 14:34 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Google Chrome OS: Should Ubuntu and Canonical Worry? | WorksWithU .::. Size~: 51.2 KB | Nov 20 14:34 |
| schestowitz | What do you think? | Nov 20 14:34 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: maybe lending to wars and stuff. I never researched it | Nov 20 14:34 |
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| cubezzz | investment bankers | Nov 20 14:39 |
| cubezzz | not a Ubuntu fan | Nov 20 14:42 |
| cubezzz | and I doubt I'll like Chrome but who knows? :) | Nov 20 14:42 |
| cubezzz | drivers are still a problem | Nov 20 14:42 |
| cubezzz | sharp never released the source for some of their modules | Nov 20 14:43 |
| cubezzz | so they were only mostly FOSS on the zauruses | Nov 20 14:43 |
| cubezzz | the truth is we have less than 100% FOSS systems, mostly | Nov 20 14:44 |
| cubezzz | I'd love to have a system 100% FOSS | Nov 20 14:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/11/19/google-outlines-chrome-os-plans-for-netbooks/ | Nov 20 14:49 |
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| schestowitz | BN is very slow today.... load average: 6.01, 8.80, 8.17 | Nov 20 14:50 |
| cubezzz | Friday is party day :) | Nov 20 14:51 |
| schestowitz | In general? | Nov 20 14:52 |
| schestowitz | And if so, according to who? Social norms, i.e. average behaviour? :-D | Nov 20 14:52 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #Windows Seems Like a Dead End http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/20/windows-ugly-truth/ | Nov 20 14:53 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Why Windows Seems Like a Dead End | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 101.04 KB | Nov 20 14:53 |
| cubezzz | merely an observation of other humans ;) | Nov 20 14:53 |
| schestowitz | Yes, here's my theory... | Nov 20 14:53 |
| schestowitz | People can collect 'points' of being normally (Gaussian-wise) spread | Nov 20 14:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "CORRUPTION: Afghanistan, Iraq Near Bottom of Transparency Index" < http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=49303 > Sad. | Nov 20 14:54 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: CORRUPTION: Afghanistan, Iraq Near Bottom of Transparency Index - IPS ipsnews.net .::. Size~: 57.63 KB | Nov 20 14:54 |
| schestowitz | And they need to follow some conformist rituals for it | Nov 20 14:54 |
| schestowitz | Like memorising names of football players :-) | Nov 20 14:54 |
| schestowitz | If they go out (as in leave the house) on a Tuesday it counts little | Nov 20 14:54 |
| schestowitz | If they go out on a Saturday it counts more | Nov 20 14:54 |
| schestowitz | Not that days have cosmological meaning, they are just arbitrary | Nov 20 14:55 |
| schestowitz | But it's all down to a model of compliance through imitation of a model, one we are taught since kindergarten age :-) | Nov 20 14:55 |
| cubezzz | Norse Mythology | Nov 20 14:56 |
| cubezzz | Thor's day | Nov 20 14:56 |
| schestowitz | Predictable behaviour makes it more trivial to keep people controlled and working in alliance, e.g. for war | Nov 20 14:56 |
| cubezzz | Wodin's day | Nov 20 14:56 |
| schestowitz | Opposite is labelled "dissidence", "anarchy", "disobedience", or sometimes "terrorism" | Nov 20 14:56 |
| schestowitz | When it Thanksgiving? | Nov 20 14:57 |
| schestowitz | Sometime later this month, not sure what date exactly. | Nov 20 14:57 |
| cubezzz | uh in Canada we had it already | Nov 20 14:57 |
| schestowitz | It's the holiday or rooster murder :-) | Nov 20 14:57 |
| cubezzz | I consumed much Turkey :) | Nov 20 14:57 |
| schestowitz | All across the nation roosters get slaughtered to celebrate decades of war and genocide :-) | Nov 20 14:58 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: it won't be digested well | Nov 20 14:58 |
| schestowitz | You're better off breaking down the meals | Nov 20 14:58 |
| schestowitz | For your body to absorb and break down the chemicals properly | Nov 20 14:58 |
| schestowitz | Feasts and gobbling of food is not a healthy tradition... neither is fasting | Nov 20 14:59 |
| cubezzz | don't forget in England it used to be the goose that got slaughtered :) | Nov 20 14:59 |
| schestowitz | It's akin to sleep deprivation, but fighting instincts like sleep is not part of any religion that I'm aware ogf | Nov 20 14:59 |
| cubezzz | Friday is from old english | Nov 20 15:01 |
| cubezzz | Frigg's day if you can believe that | Nov 20 15:01 |
| cubezzz | yeah a lot of things are just traditions | Nov 20 15:02 |
| cubezzz | Halloween wasn't supposed to be "stuff you face with candy" day | Nov 20 15:02 |
| schestowitz | Record numbers go hungry in the US http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/17/millions-hungry-households-us-report | Nov 20 15:03 |
| cubezzz | what is that, about 5% of the population? | Nov 20 15:05 |
| cubezzz | no more | Nov 20 15:06 |
| cubezzz | that's over 15% | Nov 20 15:07 |
| cubezzz | but there's lots of folks overweight also | Nov 20 15:08 |
| schestowitz | What's the point though? | Nov 20 15:09 |
| schestowitz | They they can feed off of blubber? | Nov 20 15:09 |
| schestowitz | The report is about hungry kids | Nov 20 15:09 |
| cubezzz | bad management schestowitz | Nov 20 15:09 |
| cubezzz | that is the root cause | Nov 20 15:09 |
| schestowitz | A state that cannot feed its people while GS takes $500,000 BONUS per EMPLOYEE is rogue | Nov 20 15:09 |
| schestowitz | And remember why people are left poor | Nov 20 15:09 |
| schestowitz | They bailed out private banks | Nov 20 15:10 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8367957.stm | Nov 20 15:13 |
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| cubezzz | "Half the time you're just wandering around talking to weirdos." lol | Nov 20 15:17 |
| cubezzz | gee, just like here then | Nov 20 15:17 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, I give to the salvation army | Nov 20 15:20 |
| cubezzz | sometimes I even donate some canned goods at the grocery store | Nov 20 15:20 |
| cubezzz | I like to help people | Nov 20 15:21 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: http://techdirt.com/articles/20091118/1219066995.shtml | Nov 20 15:25 |
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| schestowitz | "Sources at Canonical tell me that Canonical's Ubuntu developers have been working with Google's Chrome team since before Google announced its netbook operating system plan in July 2009. The company decided to go public with its involvement after Google announced today that they were open-sourcing the Chrome operating system. " | Nov 20 15:30 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.computerworld.com/15127/ubuntus_canonical_and_google_partner_to_create_chrome | Nov 20 15:30 |
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| schestowitz | http://pclinuxos2007.blogspot.com/2009/11/linux-kernel-recompilation-is-it-worth.html | Nov 20 15:35 |
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| schestowitz | I've just been mentioned in a couple of papers. Cool stuff.... | Nov 20 15:42 |
| cubezzz | anyone with half a brain uses project gutenberg | Nov 20 15:46 |
| cubezzz | btw Chapters/Indigo uses windows server 2003 | Nov 20 15:48 |
| cubezzz | so... :) | Nov 20 15:48 |
| cubezzz | Chapters/Indigo is not really too good | Nov 20 15:51 |
| schestowitz | "Making money from open source: Still an issue" --Miguel de la CodePlex | Nov 20 15:53 |
| schestowitz | Not exact quote | Nov 20 15:53 |
| schestowitz | http://features.techworld.com/applications/3206918/making-money-from-open-source-still-an-issue/ | Nov 20 15:53 |
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| cubezzz | consultants can make money | Nov 20 15:57 |
| cubezzz | no difficulty there | Nov 20 15:57 |
| schestowitz | Nokia N900 Hits Stores http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2356089,00.asp | Nov 20 15:57 |
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| schestowitz | Would you buy it? I'd recommend it to friends, maybe Palm as well | Nov 20 15:57 |
| schestowitz | Palm has been very good to me over the year... the products, that is | Nov 20 15:58 |
| cubezzz | not sure | Nov 20 15:59 |
| MinceR | not to me | Nov 20 16:00 |
| cubezzz | it seems I'm always fighting to build a true FOSS box | Nov 20 16:00 |
| cubezzz | rather expensive schestowitz :) | Nov 20 16:02 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora 12: #Video http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/20/fedora-12-video/ | Nov 20 16:12 | |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: how are you feeling? | Nov 20 16:15 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: Palm Web OS expensive? | Nov 20 16:15 |
| schestowitz | Or free phone? | Nov 20 16:16 |
| cubezzz | Nokia N900 | Nov 20 16:16 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] thinking of playing around with X10 automation. Any free softw. suggestions from your experience?? | Nov 20 16:16 | |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: yeah | Nov 20 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Same with OpenMoko | Nov 20 16:17 |
| schestowitz | freedom has price/cost | Nov 20 16:17 |
| schestowitz | "We have enjoyed so much freedom for so long that we are perhaps in danger of forgetting how much blood it cost to establish the Bill of Rights." ~Felix Frankfurter | Nov 20 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Now they kill the Bill | Nov 20 16:17 |
| schestowitz | With Dubya's help | Nov 20 16:17 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: http://www.phonenews.com/nokia-launches-n900-in-us-for-649.99-9621/ | Nov 20 16:18 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Nokia Launches N900 in US for $649.99 | PhoneNews.com .::. Size~: 65.7 KB | Nov 20 16:18 |
| schestowitz | But no carrier lockin AFAIK | Nov 20 16:18 |
| cubezzz | Stallman on Alex Jones, check on youtube | Nov 20 16:20 |
| cubezzz | although Jones is a bit crazy :) | Nov 20 16:20 |
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| Omar87 | Hi all. | Nov 20 16:34 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Check this out: http://jordanopensource.org/blog/internet-governance-forum-2009-ii | Nov 20 16:34 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: I've seen tons of Linux-in-Jordan articles recently | Nov 20 16:54 |
| schestowitz | Mostly Red Hat-related | Nov 20 16:54 |
| schestowitz | You were not here, so I could not show you | Nov 20 16:54 |
| schestowitz | Apologists for Jobs. "For those that might argue that this is a bluff – a futile attempt to influence Apple’s behavior by boycott – two things argue against it." | Nov 20 16:58 |
| schestowitz | http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2009/11/16/can-one-bad-apple-ruin-it-for-the-middle-men/ | Nov 20 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2009/11/12/2010-predictions/ | Nov 20 17:00 |
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| cubezzz | ok, got the older sd card working | Nov 20 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/41260 | Nov 20 17:10 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.learningubuntu.com/software/how-install-enlightenment-e17 | Nov 20 17:19 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @glynmoody: Nobel Peace Prize for Linus? - http://bit.ly/8JY3pY well, shared with RMS and @timberners_lee would be better #nobel | Nov 20 17:31 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.penguinpetes.com/Doomed_to_Obscurity/index.php?strip=0000165.jpg | Nov 20 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | Poison comes to Linux. http://cordis.europa.eu/ictresults/index.cfm?section=news&tpl=article&BrowsingType=Features&ID=91011 | Nov 20 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmmmm...... editor changed headline: "Why Ubuntu should change its release schedules" -> "Why Ubuntu release schedules should be changed" | Nov 20 18:01 |
| Omar87 | sc | Nov 20 18:03 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz_log: http://www.fsdaily.com/Community/The_Future_of_Linux_is_Google | Nov 20 18:03 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Future of Linux is Google | fsdaily.com - Free Software News .::. Size~: 32.98 KB | Nov 20 18:03 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz_log: read my comment. | Nov 20 18:03 |
| schestowitz | It's the old attack | Nov 20 18:03 |
| schestowitz | They try to create infighting situations | Nov 20 18:03 |
| schestowitz | It's the Microsoft moles | Nov 20 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Linux is many things | Nov 20 18:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/29503/1090/ | Nov 20 18:04 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: did you read what I wrote below it? | Nov 20 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: where's Hicham? Was he offended? | Nov 20 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: I did, I read it | Nov 20 18:08 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: offended? by what? | Nov 20 18:09 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: what happened? | Nov 20 18:09 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: can u plz vote this up? http://www.fsdaily.com/Community/Internet_Governance_Forum_2009_II/who_voted | Nov 20 18:10 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.liliputing.com/2009/11/ubuntu-netbook-remix-to-be-redubbed-ubuntu-netbook-edition.html | Nov 20 18:11 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Ubuntu Netbook Remix to be redubbed Ubuntu Netbook Edition .::. Size~: 26.09 KB | Nov 20 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: sure, I was gonna link to it tomorrow as well | Nov 20 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Timbl | Nov 20 18:11 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: thanks a lot. | Nov 20 18:12 |
| Omar87 | Timbl? what's that? | Nov 20 18:12 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/20/us_fast_entry/ | Nov 20 18:31 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: timbl=tim BL | Nov 20 18:31 |
| schestowitz | that's what he has always called himself by alias | Nov 20 18:31 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: And Tim BL would be? :) | Nov 20 18:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/20/bitter_cherry/ | Nov 20 18:34 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Yank objects to Reg cherry-popping headline • The Register .::. Size~: 26.69 KB | Nov 20 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: Berners-Lee | Nov 20 18:34 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: oh, ok. | Nov 20 18:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/11/17/android.wired/ | Nov 20 18:38 |
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| schestowitz | Jordan... http://www.itp.net/578459-sdc-goes-open-source-with-red-hat | Nov 20 18:38 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: SDC goes open source with Red Hat - Operating Systems - News & Features - ITP.net .::. Size~: 40.73 KB | Nov 20 18:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ameinfo.com/216498.html | Nov 20 18:42 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: http://english.vietnamnet.vn/ITTelecom/200911/Open-source-software-to-be-almost-compulsory-in-schools-879755/ | Nov 20 19:03 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: European Union renamed "Greater Belgium" http://notnews.today.com/?p=745 | Nov 20 19:22 | |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: ROFLMAO! http://higherinnovation.com/?p=438 | Nov 20 19:22 |
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| cubezzz | is it normal to have a group nfsnobody ? | Nov 20 19:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] He, at last back online again. Missed you girls and guys. Currently using a Mobile connection (UMTS), the KPN "Dongel". | Nov 20 19:24 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Highspeed ADSL will be installed soon I hope. | Nov 20 19:26 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] De KPN Dongel werkt zonder problemen onder Ubuntu 9.10. Inpluggen, nieuwe Mobiele verbinding maken in Networkmanager.... | Nov 20 20:07 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Een paar keer op Volgende klikken, het wachtwoord dat je van KPN hebt gekregen invoeren en gaan met die banaan! ;-) | Nov 20 20:08 | |
| sebsebseb | Gimp being removed from default Ubuntu installs, replaced with F-Spot | Nov 20 20:15 |
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| Aondo | not replaced tho, it was there befor | Nov 20 20:30 |
| Aondo | what do they need the space for anyway? | Nov 20 20:31 |
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| tessier | schestowitz: I don't buy that for a second. | Nov 20 20:49 |
| tessier | schestowitz: Nobody there even knows what FOSS is. | Nov 20 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Firefox? | Nov 20 20:55 |
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| trmanco | http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os | Nov 20 21:03 |
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| trmanco | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QRO3gKj3qw | Nov 20 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, it's like typical Google stuff | Nov 20 21:06 |
| schestowitz | You can buy the proprietary thing or buy a cheap "community" version with code | Nov 20 21:07 |
| trmanco | there is no chrome os | Nov 20 21:07 |
| trmanco | just chromium os for now | Nov 20 21:07 |
| trmanco | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9WVmNfgjtQ | Nov 20 21:11 |
| trmanco | cleaver | Nov 20 21:11 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: did you see what happen in COLA? | Nov 20 21:18 |
| trmanco | no | Nov 20 21:18 |
| schestowitz | tessier: COLA is another animal now, Trolls evacuated | Nov 20 21:18 |
| trmanco | I haven't been following cola | Nov 20 21:18 |
| trmanco | what? | Nov 20 21:18 |
| trmanco | they are gone? | Nov 20 21:18 |
| tessier | schestowitz: Evacuated? How so? | Nov 20 21:18 |
| MinceR | somebody set them up the bomb | Nov 20 21:19 |
| schestowitz | tessier: they say they "Boycott COLA", which I find funny because they were never wanted in COLA. They violated the charter. | Nov 20 21:20 |
| tessier | That implies that the trolls were the same person or group. | Nov 20 21:20 |
| schestowitz | It's like Islamic terrorists saying that they boycott the WTC | Nov 20 21:21 |
| MinceR | well, the WTC is easy to boycott now, isn't it? :> | Nov 20 21:22 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Personal #Supercomputers and Servers with #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/g83w http://ur1.ca/g83x | Nov 20 21:31 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Proprietary High-End Software Runs on #GNU #Linux for #DreamWorks , Imageworks http://www.animationmagazine.net/article/10869 | Nov 20 21:32 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google 's #ChromeOS Done in Partly in Alliance with #Ubuntu http://ur1.ca/g5t7 http://ur1.ca/g84a | Nov 20 21:35 | |
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| MinceR | hm, apparently chromium os/chrome os uses xorg after all | Nov 20 21:35 |
| MinceR | http://git.chromium.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=chromiumos.git;a=blob;f=src/package_repo/package-list-prod.txt;h=a46f8fe4924628cdd09926a72e1bcc9cd2f9bb76;hb=HEAD | Nov 20 21:35 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, Mike | Nov 20 21:35 |
| MinceR | apparently they have written their own WM though | Nov 20 21:36 |
| trmanco | you can "upgrade" karmic to chromium os | Nov 20 21:36 |
| MrF2009 | Hey Roy | Nov 20 21:36 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 20 21:36 |
| MrF2009 | hows it goin? | Nov 20 21:36 |
| MinceR | that's a very strange kind of "upgrade" indeed | Nov 20 21:36 |
| schestowitz | All right | Nov 20 21:36 |
| trmanco | yeah | Nov 20 21:36 |
| MrF2009 | you been gym yet | Nov 20 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Upgrade to "ze cloud" | Nov 20 21:36 |
| schestowitz | It's like dying... and going up to heaven | Nov 20 21:37 |
| MrF2009 | saw sid in their today | Nov 20 21:37 |
| MrF2009 | what? seeing sid? | Nov 20 21:37 |
| MinceR | also, it's ubuntu-based | Nov 20 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Psycho Sid... | Nov 20 21:37 |
| MinceR | http://git.chromium.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=chromiumos.git;a=blob;f=src/package_repo/repo_list_image.txt;h=a390aa1f81d8e6ce411fa1489d490618a01752ce;hb=HEAD | Nov 20 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | So it's rbandged Ubuntu? | Nov 20 21:37 |
| schestowitz | WIth 'cloud'? | Nov 20 21:37 |
| schestowitz | And patents? | Nov 20 21:37 |
| schestowitz | And codecs? | Nov 20 21:37 |
| MinceR | not exactly | Nov 20 21:37 |
| MrF2009 | who coined the phrase psycho sid...ahh let me guess....ho? | Nov 20 21:38 |
| MinceR | it has a stripped-down WM | Nov 20 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like Cloud OS or GoodOS (gOS) with a big brand and non-Free s/w | Nov 20 21:38 |
| MinceR | and probably the browser as the only app | Nov 20 21:38 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: by the way, I joke... | Nov 20 21:38 |
| MinceR | oh | Nov 20 21:38 |
| schestowitz | I know it's more | Nov 20 21:38 |
| schestowitz | *rebadged | Nov 20 21:39 |
| MrF2009 | i might be in gym tomorrow morn, will you be doing circuit? | Nov 20 21:39 |
| schestowitz | MrF2009: no | Nov 20 21:39 |
| schestowitz | Psycho Sid is from WWF | Nov 20 21:39 |
| MinceR | In Soviet Russia, circuit does YOU!! | Nov 20 21:39 |
| schestowitz | Many years ago, when I was a lad | Nov 20 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | MrF2009: on Sunday | Nov 20 21:39 |
| schestowitz | When no-one's watching | Nov 20 21:40 |
| MrF2009 | sid might get second this year, you need to try hard at the circuit, he is 20 points in front of you | Nov 20 21:40 |
| schestowitz | You'd come stalking, wouldn't you? | Nov 20 21:40 |
| schestowitz | I know, I can't get 20 points more | Nov 20 21:40 |
| schestowitz | He won it fairly | Nov 20 21:40 |
| schestowitz | I won by beating targets :-p | Nov 20 21:40 |
| MrF2009 | there's only one stalker in that gym, and we know who that is, he spend half his life in the office! | Nov 20 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Except one maybe | Nov 20 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I know | Nov 20 21:41 |
| schestowitz | I spoke to him for half an hour yesterday | Nov 20 21:41 |
| schestowitz | He admits it's a social venue to him | Nov 20 21:41 |
| MrF2009 | i bet i was mentioned in a negative capacity...oh he's so competitive blah de blah de blah..... | Nov 20 21:41 |
| MrF2009 | he is never out of there, it's quite sad really, but if it makes him happy what the heck | Nov 20 21:42 |
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| MinceR | "Verified boot: Each time the system boots, Chromium OS verifies that the firmware, kernel, and system image have not been tampered with or become corrupt. This process starts in the firmware." | Nov 20 21:43 |
| MinceR | creepy. | Nov 20 21:43 |
| MinceR | it also comes with adobe trash | Nov 20 21:44 |
| schestowitz | MrF2009: no, not mentioned you | Nov 20 21:44 |
| MrF2009 | how is he coping with things? | Nov 20 21:45 |
| Ender2070 | what | Nov 20 21:45 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: does Trash keep cookies? | Nov 20 21:45 |
| Ender2070 | chromiumos is making HTML5 big | Nov 20 21:45 |
| Ender2070 | they are going to make google video/youtube use it | Nov 20 21:45 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: most likely | Nov 20 21:45 |
| schestowitz | MrF2009: he's very well | Nov 20 21:45 |
| MinceR | it normally does | Nov 20 21:45 |
| schestowitz | But anyway, it's off topic here | Nov 20 21:45 |
| schestowitz | I watched some videos yesterday | Nov 20 21:46 |
| schestowitz | MrF2009: did you watch Pinter's Nobel speech? | Nov 20 21:46 |
| MrF2009 | happy slapping vids? | Nov 20 21:46 |
| MrF2009 | i think i may have won it now, unless i come last in the circuit | Nov 20 21:47 |
| MrF2009 | that's 3-2 to me Mr Schestowitz.... | Nov 20 21:48 |
| schestowitz | No. | Nov 20 21:48 |
| schestowitz | 3-3 | Nov 20 21:48 |
| schestowitz | And I may get first in 4 out of 10 this year, I think | Nov 20 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Endurance failed me | Nov 20 21:48 |
| MrF2009 | No 3-2, one of your wins was tainted by my absence | Nov 20 21:48 |
| MrF2009 | i have beat you 3 times, you have only beat me once! | Nov 20 21:49 |
| MrF2009 | :) | Nov 20 21:49 |
| MrF2009 | But it's only a bit of fun! | Nov 20 21:50 |
| MrF2009 | Do you think Ho would ever risk his pride and enter? | Nov 20 21:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Applications Made Easier to Run Over the Network http://ur1.ca/g85r | Nov 20 21:52 | |
| MrF2009 | Your general endurance does seem to have waned a little, but your rowing is still the best and your sit ups too | Nov 20 21:52 |
| MrF2009 | you should come and do some running with me and greg at dinner from now on, we are training for the blackpool tenk in march | Nov 20 21:53 |
| MrF2009 | you can come too if u like | Nov 20 21:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux -based Games Machine is Launched http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-11-20-007-35-PR-GM-HW | Nov 20 21:54 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Xbox 360 Cracked for Homebrew Again http://ur1.ca/g85y | Nov 20 21:54 | |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: The mudbox port is party why. http://durian.blender.org/news/sculpting-development/ Basically they don't have a choice. | Nov 20 21:55 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] K Desktop Environment Starts Contest for Camp #KDE http://www.kdenews.org/2009/11/19/camp-kde-be-free-contest-now-open | Nov 20 21:57 | |
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| schestowitz | MrF2009: no absence | Nov 20 21:57 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK, you didn't do the first contest despite being a a health club member at the time | Nov 20 21:57 |
| schestowitz | MrF2009: Seb Ho won't enter | Nov 20 21:58 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: hopefully Blender will replace them | Nov 20 21:58 |
| schestowitz | They use Fedora now.. maybe still RHEL... used to be Solaris I heard | Nov 20 21:59 |
| schestowitz | MrF2009: also, my trophies are bigger | Nov 20 22:02 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: blender will force more of there applications to be released. Ie blender is the office suite of 3d/movie work. | Nov 20 22:06 |
| MrF2009 | I broke my arm, when you won last year, a minor detail, but worth a mention:), you're righ Ho will never enter, all he does is jog, jog, stretch then jog some more:) | Nov 20 22:06 |
| cubezzz | good ol' compact flash | Nov 20 22:07 |
| cubezzz | got the 4 gig card for the zaurus, wasn't sure it would work | Nov 20 22:07 |
| MrF2009 | i think he feels slightly intimidated by the MrF comp and weights, if he embraced it like he does jogging he'd be a contender i think. | Nov 20 22:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora 12 Gets More Wonderful Reviews http://ur1.ca/g871 http://ur1.ca/g874 | Nov 20 22:08 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] MontaVista's New Home Ships #Linux #SDK http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Cavium-Nitrox-XL-CN16XXNFBE-Adapters/?kc=rss | Nov 20 22:10 | |
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| sebsebseb | _goblin: you about? | Nov 20 22:11 |
| oiaohm | Big thing that people are missing Windows 7 does not support ECC ram correctly. Linux with upcoming kernel will support it correctly. Next year there will be a big stablity difference. The most common hardware fail is ram. | Nov 20 22:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at What's Inside Next #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/g87b http://ur1.ca/g87c | Nov 20 22:12 | |
| schestowitz | MrF2009: he says you couldn't have broken an arm | Nov 20 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | Cause you benchpressed shortly afterwards | Nov 20 22:12 |
| schestowitz | So he had me convicted you partially faked an injury | Nov 20 22:12 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: ECC RAM some kind of new type of RAM? | Nov 20 22:12 |
| MinceR | not new at all | Nov 20 22:12 |
| MinceR | it's RAM with checksumming and error correction | Nov 20 22:12 |
| MinceR | usually used in servers | Nov 20 22:13 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Nov 20 22:13 |
| sebsebseb | well something has messed up on the other computer | Nov 20 22:13 |
| sebsebseb | Windows is screwed up big time | Nov 20 22:13 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu 9.04 is fine | Nov 20 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Windows is fine too then | Nov 20 22:13 |
| schestowitz | ["Windows is screwed up big time"] | Nov 20 22:13 |
| MinceR | a cat is fine too | Nov 20 22:13 |
| schestowitz | fine-sliced :-o | Nov 20 22:14 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: done a ram check? | Nov 20 22:14 |
| oiaohm | And a harddrive check. | Nov 20 22:14 |
| sebsebseb | and the XP Home Edition CD will Blue Screen Of Death when trying to do the repair mode or install mode. PAGE_FAULT_IN_NON_PAGED_AREA | Nov 20 22:14 |
| sebsebseb | which is probably RAM | Nov 20 22:14 |
| sebsebseb | ran memtest before from the Grub bootloader, but not long enough | Nov 20 22:14 |
| oiaohm | With ram Linux will go off sooner or latter. | Nov 20 22:14 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: exactly | Nov 20 22:14 |
| sebsebseb | and from experience with the old computer next to me | Nov 20 22:15 |
| sebsebseb | when XP started going bad I got that message | Nov 20 22:15 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu worked fine, but then eventaullyt he hardware properly failed | Nov 20 22:15 |
| oiaohm | Unless you are running ECC and HWPOISON patch what is in the next Linux kernel 2.6.32 ie it will automattically zone on the bad ram. | Nov 20 22:15 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: I expect that computer does not have ECC RAM | Nov 20 22:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Android/Linux Has More Phones Coming, #Sony Backing http://ur1.ca/g87k http://ur1.ca/g87m | Nov 20 22:16 | |
| oiaohm | PAGE_FAULT in NON PAGED AREA I have also seen from suspect harddrive. | Nov 20 22:16 |
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| _goblin | Hi sebsebseb! | Nov 20 22:16 |
| _goblin | sorry, I was afk | Nov 20 22:16 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: could be, because when running another CD, one of the times, loads of stuff disappeard from the hard disk | Nov 20 22:16 |
| sebsebseb | from the partition yeah | Nov 20 22:16 |
| schestowitz | MrF2009: you asked me which phone to buy... | Nov 20 22:17 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: well I been virtual machine trying recently yesterday and today | Nov 20 22:17 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: and I was wondering why you recommended Wolvix last night | Nov 20 22:17 |
| _goblin | cool... | Nov 20 22:17 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: ,but no not tried it yet | Nov 20 22:17 |
| sebsebseb | I think I did before maybe, when I did loads of distros in vm about three or four months ago | Nov 20 22:17 |
| _goblin | I recommended Wolvix because its lightwieght...very fast...attractive and simple to set up. | Nov 20 22:18 |
| sebsebseb | I did Debian Stable that then got upgraded to testing, and then it went wrong. X server needs configuring | Nov 20 22:18 |
| sebsebseb | I have done Mandriva 2010 Gnome again, this time the final intead of a RC | Nov 20 22:18 |
| sebsebseb | and I am quite impressed with it | Nov 20 22:18 |
| sebsebseb | still | Nov 20 22:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nokia's Linux-based N900 a "resounding success" http://ur1.ca/g87r http://ur1.ca/g87u http://ur1.ca/g87w | Nov 20 22:19 | |
| _goblin | I had big issues with it. | Nov 20 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | MrF2009: ^^^This is the one you should look at. It's 3-D enabled and all... very sophisticated and based on Linux | Nov 20 22:19 |
| _goblin | 15 minutes 3 DE Crashes.... | Nov 20 22:19 |
| oiaohm | I am running multi form debian here. | Nov 20 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: such as? so that's why you weren't happy when I said I would possibly put that on or whatever I put | Nov 20 22:19 |
| oiaohm | Ie part stable part testing part sid | Nov 20 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: something crashed in the vm actsaully or whatever hmm | Nov 20 22:19 |
| _goblin | kept trying to "upgrading to 2009" | Nov 20 22:19 |
| oiaohm | Runs almost 100 percent solid other than vlc at moment not working. | Nov 20 22:19 |
| _goblin | and also would not let me have a decent resolution.... | Nov 20 22:20 |
| oiaohm | and I am not missing it so not bothering to fix. | Nov 20 22:20 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: your on Mandriva 2010 KDE yes? | Nov 20 22:20 |
| _goblin | since it was supposed to be "out of the box" I resented fiddling with it too much...I moved on. | Nov 20 22:20 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: not yet | Nov 20 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Not "broke", no "Fix" | Nov 20 22:20 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: hmm? | Nov 20 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Pass a hammer | Nov 20 22:20 |
| _goblin | having said all that, I see many good reports of Mandriva | Nov 20 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: many good ones | Nov 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Few like yours | Nov 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Maybe your computer is allergic to the French | Nov 20 22:21 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: I did Sababoyon a little while ago in vm | Nov 20 22:21 |
| _goblin | I seem to remember having issues with 2009, after a series of upgrades it simply broke... | Nov 20 22:21 |
| sebsebseb | again | Nov 20 22:21 |
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| _goblin | No loss though, plenty of other distros about! | Nov 20 22:21 |
| sebsebseb | Sabayon I don't think so, even if I change theme, which I tried with the default | Nov 20 22:21 |
| sebsebseb | I have been told it's good, but I don't know, plus it's not that popular | Nov 20 22:22 |
| sebsebseb | I got Fedora 12 Live CD in vm | Nov 20 22:22 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Nov 20 22:22 |
| sebsebseb | when I try to change the background, it doesn't show them and yeah | Nov 20 22:23 |
| sebsebseb | plus it didn't come with much | Nov 20 22:23 |
| sebsebseb | ,but of course if the sytem gets installed can install loads of stuff | Nov 20 22:23 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: maybe you can win me over to Wolvix | Nov 20 22:24 |
| MrF2009 | He says stuff about you to Roy, i'd just ignore him, he has no life and is unhappy, erectile dysfunction? | Nov 20 22:24 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: I have this feeling I'll install, and then not know how to install other programs | Nov 20 22:24 |
| _goblin | Chakra? | Nov 20 22:24 |
| _goblin | have you tried it? | Nov 20 22:24 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: is that Wolvix? | Nov 20 22:24 |
| *ender2070 uses f12 | Nov 20 22:25 | |
| ender2070 | w/ kde | Nov 20 22:25 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: w/ means with? | Nov 20 22:25 |
| _goblin | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/10/26/chakra-alpha-3-review/ | Nov 20 22:25 |
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| _goblin | thats another you could look at.... | Nov 20 22:25 |
| schestowitz | MrF2009: what would he say? | Nov 20 22:25 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: so far it's looking like Mandriva 2010 Gnome, but I haven't finnished vm'ing yet | Nov 20 22:26 |
| _goblin | or if you are interested in Wolvix, I covered it on my site: | Nov 20 22:26 |
| _goblin | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/07/11/wolvix-2-0-0beta2/ | Nov 20 22:26 |
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| ender2070 | yeah | Nov 20 22:26 |
| ender2070 | chakra is at alpha 4 now | Nov 20 22:26 |
| _goblin | could well be.... | Nov 20 22:27 |
| schestowitz | MrF2009: look at the phone I showed you | Nov 20 22:27 |
| _goblin | have not tried it. | Nov 20 22:27 |
| _goblin | alpha 3 was the last time I looked. | Nov 20 22:27 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: ever bought a powerpack for Mandriva? | Nov 20 22:27 |
| schestowitz | MrF2009: and no, it's not as bad as you think. He admires/anvies you | Nov 20 22:27 |
| schestowitz | *envies | Nov 20 22:27 |
| schestowitz | I'd just let it slide | Nov 20 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Mark can be the same | Nov 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | You guys make them feel inferior and hurt their ego, that's all | Nov 20 22:28 |
| MrF2009 | don't worry i do, i feel a bit sorry for the little fella if the truth be known, but i am wary of what he is capable of, verbally | Nov 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | No, he doesn't do that | Nov 20 22:28 |
| MrF2009 | you sure? | Nov 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Your over-imagine a perceived case of slander | Nov 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure | Nov 20 22:28 |
| MrF2009 | what saying i lied about breaking my arm, that;s just insane! | Nov 20 22:29 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: No, I was going to | Nov 20 22:29 |
| schestowitz | He didn't say that | Nov 20 22:29 |
| schestowitz | He thought you exaggerated a bit | Nov 20 22:29 |
| MrF2009 | but you said he did | Nov 20 22:29 |
| schestowitz | That it was not broken, maybe. | Nov 20 22:29 |
| MrF2009 | so he did then | Nov 20 22:29 |
| MrF2009 | anywhay wgaf | Nov 20 22:30 |
| MrF2009 | i have never met slavin | Nov 20 22:30 |
| MrF2009 | what's he like? | Nov 20 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: if Ubuntu did something like that, I really woudn't be happy, since they got Mark Shuttleworth and his money behind it funding Canonical. Where as Mandrake/Mandriva nearly became bankrupt before right? Plus they need to make money some how | Nov 20 22:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] A site that gets 5 stars from Openbytes! http://www.kerchoonz.com/ - Visit and join for free legal music! #mp3 #music #ogg | Nov 20 22:31 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Free Legal Music Downloads or Streams - Register Free at Kerchoonz .::. Size~: 90.61 KB | Nov 20 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | Vector Linux does something like that, with Open Office on the paid for CD | Nov 20 22:31 |
| schestowitz | "wgaf"? | Nov 20 22:32 |
| MrF2009 | who gives a foxtrot:) | Nov 20 22:32 |
| *amarsh04__ is now known as amarsh04 | Nov 20 22:32 | |
| schestowitz | Ah, new to me... | Nov 20 22:32 |
| MrF2009 | At least you'll finish ahead of Mark SLavin, although i've never met him. | Nov 20 22:33 |
| schestowitz | You should speak to mark, he's cool | Nov 20 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Almost my dad's age though | Nov 20 22:33 |
| MrF2009 | you'll be back stronger next year, i think you'll want revenge for my gloating:) | Nov 20 22:33 |
| schestowitz | He has a kid now, abouy 2 y-o | Nov 20 22:33 |
| MrF2009 | good on him | Nov 20 22:34 |
| schestowitz | MrF2009: no, I might not enter | Nov 20 22:34 |
| MrF2009 | what?!?!?! | Nov 20 22:34 |
| MrF2009 | We may as well disband it then. | Nov 20 22:34 |
| MrF2009 | You are the original Mr F! | Nov 20 22:34 |
| schestowitz | It'll be just you versus Ho | Nov 20 22:35 |
| MrF2009 | What satisfaction can i get from beating the guys in my office? | Nov 20 22:35 |
| MrF2009 | They'd never enter anyway, their ego's wouldn't allow it:) | Nov 20 22:35 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux for OLPC Sub-notebooks Wants Better/Freer Hardware http://www.olpcnews.com/software/sugar/sugarlabs_sugar-sweet_or_sugar.html | Nov 20 22:36 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] One of my favorite scenes from UK comedy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTJeIGCcjWU&feature=related | Nov 20 22:37 | |
| schestowitz | MrF2009: every story has its ending | Nov 20 22:37 |
| MrF2009 | I reckon SId might win next year, he certainly smells blood now, he will go for it big time, it will be Terminator Roy versus Psycho Sid versus Mad Mikey, then Happy Slap Ho thrown in for good measure! | Nov 20 22:37 |
| schestowitz | LOL "Happy slap" | Nov 20 22:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vietnam to Almost Force #FreeSoftware Upon Schools http://ur1.ca/g89c | Nov 20 22:38 | |
| schestowitz | He was actually angry at the time | Nov 20 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | How about "happy slappy" | Nov 20 22:38 |
| schestowitz | ? | Nov 20 22:38 |
| MrF2009 | lol | Nov 20 22:38 |
| MrF2009 | You comin to the Christmas PArty? | Nov 20 22:39 |
| MrF2009 | I gotta go now matey, i'll see you Sunday then hopefully, Jordan will ring me when you arrive so i can come and help invigilate you. | Nov 20 22:40 |
| MrF2009 | Only joking:) Have a good un'. | Nov 20 22:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Enters Deep Into Scientific Community http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/68701.html?wlc=1258736345 | Nov 20 22:42 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla Shows Its Modest Business Side, Can Get #PS3 Installs http://ur1.ca/g89z http://ur1.ca/g8a0 | Nov 20 22:51 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Talk with #MySQL #Database Leader (Before #Sun ), #MartenMickos http://software.silicon.com/os/0,39024651,39643702,00.htm | Nov 20 22:53 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Many New #GNU Released Announced http://ur1.ca/g8a9 http://ur1.ca/g8aa http://ur1.ca/g8ab | Nov 20 22:54 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Software #Freedom Scorecard Explained http://robertogaloppini.net/2009/11/19/about-open-source-value-creation-and-consumption/ | Nov 20 22:55 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: About Open Source Value Creation and Consumption .::. Size~: 35.81 KB | Nov 20 22:55 |
| MinceR | http://failblog.org/2009/11/19/texas-footwear-fail/ | Nov 20 22:58 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Signs of Gains for #FreeSoftware in #EU Governments http://ur1.ca/g8az | Nov 20 23:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Open Platform" (Not Free Software) Has The #Guardian Gloating http://ur1.ca/g8b8 | Nov 20 23:04 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fluendo Spreads #Patent Tax to OpenSolaris http://ur1.ca/g8bb | Nov 20 23:05 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ThistleWeb Hi! I didn't know you were on Twitter...Saw you on a list created by a Wintroll and followed you! | Nov 20 23:06 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reminder That Secret #AstroTurfing Does Exist http://ur1.ca/fulk http://ur1.ca/g8bk | Nov 20 23:06 | |
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| amarsh04 | http://www.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=1911&mn=95808&pt=msg&mid=8203686 | Nov 20 23:08 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: MS, Leopards, Photosynth, Silverlight, Novell, and the Late Neolithic Era | SCOXQ.PK Message Board Posts .::. Size~: 64.67 KB | Nov 20 23:08 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandelson to Attack #USENET and Other Fora http://ur1.ca/g8c5 http://ur1.ca/g8c6 http://ur1.ca/g8c7 | Nov 20 23:14 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Still Shamelessly #Patents Other People's Ideas http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1562851/microsoft-nicks-patents | Nov 20 23:17 | |
| sebsebseb | popey: you were in New Zeland or somewhere and did this? http://popey.com/blog/2009/11/21/application-selection-in-the-default-install/ the link says 21 it's the 20th in the UK just about still | Nov 20 23:19 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Murdoch and #Microsoft: Perfect Bribes? http://ur1.ca/g8cx http://ur1.ca/g8d1 | Nov 20 23:24 | |
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| satipera | hello, the last few times I have tried to leave a comment, I can't log on to do so, I have even gone through thre | Nov 20 23:39 |
| satipera | the process of re-setting the password are there any problems, or is it just me? | Nov 20 23:40 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmm... | Nov 20 23:41 |
| schestowitz | satipera: I can reset it from here, hold on | Nov 20 23:41 |
| popey | sebsebseb: my server is in the uk | Nov 20 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | popey: your link says 21 though | Nov 20 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | popey: and it's 20th in the UK stil just about | Nov 20 23:52 |
| popey | yeah, i know | Nov 20 23:53 |
| popey | never mind | Nov 20 23:53 |
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| sebsebseb | popey: well yeah I guess, but generally it's good to have the exact date | Nov 20 23:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] a question, geeks: use case for accepting OpenID in business? Why does hardly anyone do so? | Nov 20 23:58 | |
| satipera | roy, any luck with reset? | Nov 20 23:58 |
| popey | only if you're anally retentive | Nov 20 23:58 |
| satipera | I will try again tomorrow, bfn | Nov 20 23:59 |
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