IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: November 21st, 2009

-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s Hosted Payroll Closes Down http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/20/msft-hosted-payroll/ #fail		Nov 21 00:03
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Host with #Windows Azure in complete confidence! http://is.gd/501w2		Nov 21 00:18
sebsebseb	popey: Good Ubuntu Developer Sumit? I assume your back in UK now	Nov 21 00:18
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SUSE Takes Your Rights Away With ‘Trusted’ Computing (TC) http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/20/suse-opensuse-tpm/ #tpm		Nov 21 00:51
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mono : Deaf to the Facts http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/20/mono-wont-listen/ #novell		Nov 21 01:15
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_goblin	Just saw some interesting videos "Everything is OK"	Nov 21 01:35
Aondo	quite fun :D	Nov 21 01:36
_goblin	lol...	Nov 21 01:36
_goblin	really?	Nov 21 01:36
_goblin	lets argue a point of law with someone who has no power to change it and an obligation to enforce it.	Nov 21 01:36
_goblin	the same obligation which kicks in when someone wants an offender arrested for a crime against them.	Nov 21 01:37
_goblin	was interesting though....	Nov 21 01:38
_goblin	having said that, incorrect (or indeed misleading) use of powers should be exposed. That helps nobody.	Nov 21 01:39
_goblin	well I thought it was interesting anyway....	Nov 21 01:41
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Aondo	yea... making alot of noise around arguing, getting attention and then... lets hug... :P	Nov 21 01:48
_goblin	sorry afk there	Nov 21 01:49
_goblin	agreed..	Nov 21 01:49
schestowitz	_goblin: yes, how you find that video?	Nov 21 01:50
schestowitz	There's hours of them	Nov 21 01:50
schestowitz	I put it in my blog last week after my dad had told me about it	Nov 21 01:50
_goblin	your site...	Nov 21 01:50
_goblin	but the ones Im interested in were linked off that...	Nov 21 01:50
_goblin	its funny how that which he protests against, he facilitates with Youtube/mobile phones and megaphones...	Nov 21 01:51
schestowitz	Yes, I saw all of them, eventually	Nov 21 01:51
schestowitz	Charlie Veich went cuckoo	Nov 21 01:51
schestowitz	Now he's just spouting ALex Jones and Icke BS	Nov 21 01:52
schestowitz	Some people reported him tot he British Police	Nov 21 01:52
ender2070	the reptilians want us to use mono	Nov 21 01:52
_goblin	no surprise....	Nov 21 01:52
schestowitz	Hahaha!	Nov 21 01:52
schestowitz	Blue-blooded Novellers... :-p	Nov 21 01:52
ender2070	c# has subroutines for their 9th dimension	Nov 21 01:53
Aondo	the same nine dimensions that Street can do?	Nov 21 01:53
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schestowitz	Google Earth can do 3	Nov 21 01:54
_goblin	Roy, before I forget, you and many others are on a new Twitter list.	Nov 21 01:54
schestowitz	Some say there are 11.	Nov 21 01:54
schestowitz	But they can't quite tell what if which and how or why...... panting	Nov 21 01:54
schestowitz	I never learned how Twitter lists work	Nov 21 01:55
_goblin	its really just like a favourites....	Nov 21 01:55
_goblin	the results shown are merely the twits of the people followed in that group....	Nov 21 01:55
schestowitz	I'm too old now to learn new things like "Lists" :-p	Nov 21 01:56
_goblin	its called the boycottboys or something similar.	Nov 21 01:56
_goblin	Im in it!	Nov 21 01:56
_goblin	its been very useful since there were many names I hadn't heard of and it enabled me to follow some more people with similar views/interests.	Nov 21 01:57
_goblin	orchestrated by Lin%% of course....	Nov 21 01:57
_goblin	oh and also, I saw that picture of you....have you dyed your hair?	Nov 21 01:58
_goblin	are you not supposed to be blonde?	Nov 21 01:58
ender2070	I think some of them even went to Bohemiam Grove	Nov 21 01:59
ender2070	I think some of them even went to Bohemian*	Nov 21 01:59
_goblin	?	Nov 21 01:59
_goblin	too slow for that one....	Nov 21 02:00
ender2070	its a place where they conduct human sacrifice	Nov 21 02:00
ender2070	mock human sacrifice	Nov 21 02:00
_goblin	ah	Nov 21 02:00
_goblin	sounds rather unpleasant	Nov 21 02:00
ender2070	Since 1873, the Global Elite Has Held Secret Meetings in the Ancient Redwood Forest of Northern California.	Nov 21 02:01
ender2070	Members of the so-called "Bohemian Club" include Former Presidents Eisenhower, Nixon and Reagan.	Nov 21 02:01
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schestowitz	[01:58] <_goblin> oh and also, I saw that picture of you....have you dyed your hair?	Nov 21 02:02
schestowitz	No, why?	Nov 21 02:02
ender2070	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove	Nov 21 02:02
_goblin	In the picture your hair looks brown....	Nov 21 02:02
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_goblin	I thought you had blonde hair.	Nov 21 02:02
schestowitz	Had, yes	Nov 21 02:03
schestowitz	When I was younger or if I go to a sunny holiday	Nov 21 02:03
_goblin	ah.....wow...heck of a difference...	Nov 21 02:03
oiaohm	I am getting tired today. I just killed internet connection pluged phone into wrong port.	Nov 21 02:03
schestowitz	If I grow a goatee it's blond	Nov 21 02:03
_goblin	....Roy.....its Gnutee	Nov 21 02:03
schestowitz	I know~!	Nov 21 02:03
_goblin	:)	Nov 21 02:04
schestowitz	Which picture though?	Nov 21 02:04
_goblin	it was the one on schestowitz.com I think...	Nov 21 02:04
_goblin	hang on Ill find it again...	Nov 21 02:04
oiaohm	So are you like me go swiming in salt watter and up pure blond schestowitz	Nov 21 02:04
oiaohm	up pure blond/end up pure blond	Nov 21 02:04
_goblin	http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2009/10/01/rowing-second-place/	Nov 21 02:04
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schestowitz	I found a beautiful picture of Murdoch. Check it out.	Nov 21 02:05
schestowitz	oiaohm: no, hues	Nov 21 02:05
schestowitz	It doesn't matter though. It's just hair	Nov 21 02:05
schestowitz	I cut it very short recently	Nov 21 02:05
oiaohm	My hair color is temporarly.	Nov 21 02:05
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What Makes Mr. #Murdoch Tick http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/20/murdoch-hypocrisy/		Nov 21 02:06
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oiaohm	currently I have very dark hear having not been swimming in 6 years.	Nov 21 02:06
_goblin	lol	Nov 21 02:06
_goblin	its his double...!	Nov 21 02:06
_goblin	he's looking well...	Nov 21 02:06
oiaohm	If you were like me I would say grow a beard and first few times it will be light but it will get darker schestowitz	Nov 21 02:07
ender2070	beards and goatees grant psychic powers	Nov 21 02:08
_goblin	very true...	Nov 21 02:09
_goblin	and also the Spartans had them....we all saw that movie...	Nov 21 02:11
cubezzz	goatee = evil spock :)	Nov 21 02:12
_goblin	lol...	Nov 21 02:12
_goblin	did you see the "evil" alternate universe of Enterprise?	Nov 21 02:12
cubezzz	actually no	Nov 21 02:13
cubezzz	I'm more of a classic trek expert	Nov 21 02:13
_goblin	ah....you probably would have agreed that the evil version was better......	Nov 21 02:13
cubezzz	evil spock wasn't even that evil	Nov 21 02:14
_goblin	are you refering to mad spock or alternate universe spock?	Nov 21 02:14
cubezzz	ISS Enterprise	Nov 21 02:14
cubezzz	so alternative universe spock	Nov 21 02:15
_goblin	if you are a classic fan, I hope you hated the new movie....	Nov 21 02:15
cubezzz	never saw it	Nov 21 02:15
_goblin	good...dont	Nov 21 02:15
cubezzz	and I doubt I would have liked it	Nov 21 02:15
_goblin	it completely destroys the timeline.....	Nov 21 02:15
cubezzz	well I realize they have to try new things	Nov 21 02:15
_goblin	yes but it means now everything we were brought up on never happened.	Nov 21 02:16
_goblin	Vulcan no longer exists....	Nov 21 02:16
_goblin	Captain whatever his name was (memory blank) no longer gets crippled and put into that robotic chair...	Nov 21 02:17
cubezzz	oh you mean Christopher Pike	Nov 21 02:17
_goblin	thats him...!	Nov 21 02:17
_goblin	so presumably he keeps the Enterprise.	Nov 21 02:17
cubezzz	jeffery Hunter died young in RL	Nov 21 02:17
cubezzz	never did science fiction again as far as I know	Nov 21 02:18
cubezzz	well, there was the animated series... filmation which played around with concepts in the 70's	Nov 21 02:18
cubezzz	here's something not too many people know...	Nov 21 02:19
_goblin	and there will also presumably be no Bird of Prey to fly back in time to save the whales when the floating poo turns up to talk to them.....	Nov 21 02:19
cubezzz	in the 2nd pilot... they used the navigation console for the transporter console :)	Nov 21 02:19
_goblin	so earths a gonner too.	Nov 21 02:19
cubezzz	the same thing happens in every serial with a long history like Star Trek	Nov 21 02:20
cubezzz	different writers want to put their own spin on it	Nov 21 02:20
_goblin	they could have done it differently....and kept faithful to the longterm fans....	Nov 21 02:20
_goblin	the new movie was like Beverly Hills 90210 in space.	Nov 21 02:20
cubezzz	Matt Jefferies was probably the one who soldified the look of the series	Nov 21 02:21
cubezzz	yeah, well... that's why I don't bother :)	Nov 21 02:21
_goblin	sensible.....	Nov 21 02:21
_goblin	how did we get onto startrek again?	Nov 21 02:21
cubezzz	didn't really like LOTR movies either	Nov 21 02:21
_goblin	Im looking forward to The Hobbit...	Nov 21 02:21
cubezzz	goatee = evil spock :)	Nov 21 02:22
_goblin	I read the book Silmarilion which explains much......the rings Sauron...etc....very very good.	Nov 21 02:22
cubezzz	the thing is I've been watching the original series since 1972.. maybe even early	Nov 21 02:22
_goblin	remember "The Invaders" from around that time?	Nov 21 02:23
cubezzz	but I remember being scared as a little kid by "The Doomsday Machine" in 1972	Nov 21 02:23
cubezzz	ummm	Nov 21 02:23
_goblin	the aliens that looked human but had a sticky out little finger and glowed red and vanished when you killed them?	Nov 21 02:24
_goblin	a classic...	Nov 21 02:24
cubezzz	not a Gerry Anderson I don't think....	Nov 21 02:24
cubezzz	so I don't think I saw it	Nov 21 02:24
cubezzz	that's uh, a bit before my time :)	Nov 21 02:25
_goblin	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqs_0SBbPD0	Nov 21 02:25
cubezzz	I remember the Time Tunnel	Nov 21 02:26
cubezzz	in re-runs	Nov 21 02:26
_goblin	I think BBC2 ran that over here.	Nov 21 02:26
cubezzz	there was a movie I remember which dealt with a mirror earth	Nov 21 02:27
_goblin	yep....that was......	Nov 21 02:28
_goblin	other side of the sun....or something...	Nov 21 02:28
cubezzz	yeah!	Nov 21 02:28
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_goblin	I remember the bloke in a wheelchair, driving himself into a mirror......	Nov 21 02:29
cubezzz	that's it	Nov 21 02:29
_goblin	cant remember why..or why that stuck in my mind.	Nov 21 02:29
cubezzz	the very end	Nov 21 02:29
cubezzz	"Journey to the far side of the Sun"	Nov 21 02:29
_goblin	thats it!	Nov 21 02:29
cubezzz	very British	Nov 21 02:30
_goblin	Pandorum looks quite good (coming out soon)	Nov 21 02:30
_goblin	sort of a Event Horizon	Nov 21 02:30
_goblin	loved that movie	Nov 21 02:30
cubezzz	I can remember stuff that I can't even find	Nov 21 02:31
cubezzz	this one guy can use telekinetic powers	Nov 21 02:31
cubezzz	uses it to get a high score on a pinball machine	Nov 21 02:31
cubezzz	probably 1970's...	Nov 21 02:32
cubezzz	another scence: he gets his foot stuck in railroad tracks and a train is coming	Nov 21 02:32
cubezzz	uses powers to stop the train	Nov 21 02:32
_goblin	mmmm	Nov 21 02:32
_goblin	not Scanners was it?	Nov 21 02:33
cubezzz	could be made for tv	Nov 21 02:33
cubezzz	no, before scanners	Nov 21 02:33
_goblin	...mmm	Nov 21 02:33
_goblin	was it UK?	Nov 21 02:34
_goblin	Saphire and Steel?	Nov 21 02:34
cubezzz	ummm, I can't remember the title	Nov 21 02:35
_goblin	if it was british, it might have been Saphire and Steel...	Nov 21 02:35
cubezzz	maybe :)	Nov 21 02:36
_goblin	otherwise Im stumped!	Nov 21 02:36
cubezzz	another one I remember vaguely: an android with super-strength	Nov 21 02:36
cubezzz	he can teleport... it's really dramatic	Nov 21 02:37
cubezzz	he fades out really slow... big dramatic music plays	Nov 21 02:37
cubezzz	funny the stuff I remember	Nov 21 02:37
_goblin	..thats definately got me...	Nov 21 02:37
_goblin	one of the classics of UK SciFI: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwMGJAGvZlY	Nov 21 02:38
cubezzz	yeah, probably obscure	Nov 21 02:38
_goblin	although you probably have to be british....	Nov 21 02:38
cubezzz	can you remember the one with H128?	Nov 21 02:38
cubezzz	surrounded by gold?	Nov 21 02:38
_goblin	H128?	Nov 21 02:38
cubezzz	City Beneath the Sea 1971	Nov 21 02:39
_goblin	never saw that!	Nov 21 02:39
cubezzz	yeah really unstable unless it's surrounded by gold :)	Nov 21 02:39
cubezzz	also pretty obscure	Nov 21 02:39
_goblin	what about "The Tripods"	Nov 21 02:40
_goblin	another classic UK scifi	Nov 21 02:40
cubezzz	makes me think of ... ummm	Nov 21 02:41
cubezzz	War of the Worlds	Nov 21 02:41
_goblin	yeah.....sort of...	Nov 21 02:41
_goblin	very good...ran for 2 series	Nov 21 02:41
_goblin	never was resolved....	Nov 21 02:41
_goblin	absolutely excellent...	Nov 21 02:41
cubezzz	what about Terrahawks? :)	Nov 21 02:42
cubezzz	I think that's what it was called... hmmm	Nov 21 02:42
cubezzz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrahawks	Nov 21 02:42
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cubezzz	another Gerry Anderson one	Nov 21 02:42
_goblin	yeah....	Nov 21 02:44
_goblin	loved that...with the O's X's at the end....	Nov 21 02:44
cubezzz	you've saw almost everything :)	Nov 21 02:44
_goblin	yep...	Nov 21 02:45
_goblin	no life...	Nov 21 02:45
_goblin	and then later in life I got the wife to buy them for me and sit through them again.	Nov 21 02:45
_goblin	how about......	Nov 21 02:45
_goblin	V	Nov 21 02:45
cubezzz	yes	Nov 21 02:46
cubezzz	80's I think	Nov 21 02:46
_goblin	fantastic.....intelligent......	Nov 21 02:46
_goblin	notice how the alien flag looked similar to the Nazi one..?	Nov 21 02:46
_goblin	very thought provoking series....	Nov 21 02:46
_goblin	and Diana....what a pleasant looking lady....	Nov 21 02:47
cubezzz	hmm, been a while since I saw it	Nov 21 02:47
cubezzz	I remember the rather gruesome birth scence	Nov 21 02:47
cubezzz	birth scene	Nov 21 02:47
_goblin	not gruesome by todays standards....	Nov 21 02:48
_goblin	I remembered it being alot worse...	Nov 21 02:48
_goblin	got the box set of everything recently....	Nov 21 02:48
_goblin	although even that series wasn't concluded properly.	Nov 21 02:48
cubezzz	how about the spider monster in Space 1999?	Nov 21 02:48
_goblin	lol...	Nov 21 02:48
cubezzz	hey, that was pretty scary	Nov 21 02:49
_goblin	and the all time most original monster in a sci-fi show......was......	Nov 21 02:49
_goblin	the Mutton Vindaloo Curry Monster from RDIV (1/2 man 1/2 extra indian curry)	Nov 21 02:49
cubezzz	yean I must have missed that one :)	Nov 21 02:50
cubezzz	Red Dwarf?	Nov 21 02:50
_goblin	"I cant believe Im running away from a psycopathic curried man" - Arnold Rimmer	Nov 21 02:50
_goblin	yep	Nov 21 02:50
cubezzz	I liked series 1	Nov 21 02:50
_goblin	they kill it with lager in the end...	Nov 21 02:50
cubezzz	naturally	Nov 21 02:50
_goblin	after turning Lister into a 1 foot tall robocop.	Nov 21 02:51
_goblin	you missed a great episode...	Nov 21 02:51
_goblin	its called DNA	Nov 21 02:51
_goblin	just beaten my daily reader record again today......	Nov 21 02:52
_goblin	very pleased...	Nov 21 02:52
_goblin	2700+ UIP's	Nov 21 02:53
_goblin	30 pieces of hate email....	Nov 21 02:53
_goblin	6 threats....	Nov 21 02:53
cubezzz	surely you never saw "The Starlost" ?	Nov 21 02:53
_goblin	1 twitter insult...	Nov 21 02:53
_goblin	..mmm	Nov 21 02:54
_goblin	yes!	Nov 21 02:54
_goblin	There was a Startrek book that I believe they based this on...	Nov 21 02:54
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #CodePlex is Not Great: How #Microsoft Poisons Everything http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/20/infesting-and-deforming-foss/		Nov 21 02:55
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_goblin	difference being that in the book the station was headed towards a black hole....	Nov 21 02:55
_goblin	and it was called.....	Nov 21 02:55
_goblin	mmm...	Nov 21 02:55
cubezzz	yeah yeah Microsoft poisions everything :)	Nov 21 02:55
_goblin	Galactic Whirlpool	Nov 21 02:55
schestowitz	cubezzz: it's a book title	Nov 21 02:55
cubezzz	it was Noah's Ark in Space kind of	Nov 21 02:55
schestowitz	"God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everyting"	Nov 21 02:55
_goblin	yep, where they forget that they on board a ship....	Nov 21 02:56
cubezzz	it had this computer guy who would always say "Can I Be of Assistance?"	Nov 21 02:56
cubezzz	I watched the whole thing not too long ago :)	Nov 21 02:56
schestowitz	I was having a game with words, comparing Microsoft to "Religion"	Nov 21 02:56
_goblin	talking of religion....2012 is rubbish....	Nov 21 02:57
schestowitz	It is	Nov 21 02:57
cubezzz	I just think of Microsoft has ummm	Nov 21 02:57
schestowitz	Annual event	Nov 21 02:57
schestowitz	But they try to hype up for the film	Nov 21 02:57
_goblin	psuedo religious rubbish....can't believe anyone hasn't noticed....	Nov 21 02:57
schestowitz	And there are enough idiots on the Net to carry it	Nov 21 02:57
cubezzz	I just think of Microsoft as a "Prison for the Mind"	Nov 21 02:57
_goblin	theres a blatant Noahs Ark ripoff at the end...	Nov 21 02:57
_goblin	just like "The Knowing" had a "adam and eve" type ending.	Nov 21 02:58
cubezzz	Arthur C Clarke?	Nov 21 02:58
cubezzz	oh you mean the new movie?	Nov 21 02:58
schestowitz	Neil deGrasse Tyson - World to End In 2012...or Not http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJjQMwEjC1I	Nov 21 02:58
_goblin	yeah...	Nov 21 02:58
_goblin	2001 great movie	Nov 21 02:58
_goblin	3001 an even better book	Nov 21 02:58
_goblin	explains what the monolith is...	Nov 21 02:59
cubezzz	there was 2010 inbetween I think	Nov 21 02:59
_goblin	yeah and 2060 (i think) which was a book that has them landing on Europa.	Nov 21 02:59
_goblin	Im not in our study/library so I can't tell you atm.	Nov 21 03:00
_goblin	Ive all the books.	Nov 21 03:00
cubezzz	we are way behind :)	Nov 21 03:00
cubezzz	no Hal 9000 yet	Nov 21 03:00
cubezzz	no Moon base	Nov 21 03:00
_goblin	oh and that sounded posh....study/library = room with all my books. a messy desk and 2 pcs....nothing fancy....	Nov 21 03:00
_goblin	Hal 9000....isn't that a quad core running Vista....sure its got the power, but the software causes it to go screwy.....	Nov 21 03:02
_goblin	"Im sorry Dave I can't let you do that" - was just a futuristic BSOD.	Nov 21 03:02
_goblin	my quote of the day "Do unto others as they do unto Gnu""	Nov 21 03:05
_goblin	yesterdays was good "Give a man a fish he will eat for a day, give him a free laptop and he'll shill for life" - I was quite proud of that.	Nov 21 03:05
sebsebseb	_goblin: got the thing now in my Mandriva 2010 vm, said newer version and it asks if I want to get Mandriva 2009 Spring yep	Nov 21 03:13
_goblin	yeah, Roy commented it was a known bug....	Nov 21 03:14
sebsebseb	it's a stupid bug	Nov 21 03:14
_goblin	for me that Mandriva just didn't cut it....	Nov 21 03:14
_goblin	the DE was very unstable too (on my rigs)	Nov 21 03:14
_goblin	but the worst part was it wouldn't let me change the res...	Nov 21 03:15
sebsebseb	2008 something is meant to be a good one, I haven't done previous oens	Nov 21 03:15
schestowitz	_goblin: Tux Machines reported the bug (Susan)	Nov 21 03:15
_goblin	for an "out of the box" distro, I spent less time fiddling with Gentoo.	Nov 21 03:15
sebsebseb	there graphical software management tool is ok, but Ubuntu Software Centre is better	Nov 21 03:15
sebsebseb	schestowitz: what commands would I need to install stuff and uninstall for that matter using the shell?	Nov 21 03:16
_goblin	what in Ubuntu?	Nov 21 03:16
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sebsebseb	_goblin: no Mandriva	Nov 21 03:17
_goblin	ah	Nov 21 03:17
_goblin	urpml command I believe	Nov 21 03:18
_goblin	prefixed with SU (obviously)	Nov 21 03:18
sebsebseb	I notice little things like, there not being any icons for anything on the system menu, in Ubuntu 9.10, and Fedora 12, as well as there not being an icon for Connect to Server or Search for Files in the places menu anymore, any idea why that is? Mandriva 2010 has them :)	Nov 21 03:20
sebsebseb	_goblin: I got wolvix and stuff like that to vm yet	Nov 21 03:20
_goblin	you'll like Wolvix Im sure...	Nov 21 03:21
sebsebseb	_goblin: well probably if it comes with nice eye candy by default, and a text boot up mode when it's loading up	Nov 21 03:21
_goblin	Its a little cracker...although Im disturbed that it still isn't out of Beta2 and have a horrible feeling it may be a dying project....	Nov 21 03:22
sebsebseb	the most good looking distro I have tried so far is Vector Linux	Nov 21 03:22
_goblin	maybe if that happens, I'll take it on....	Nov 21 03:22
_goblin	Vector?	Nov 21 03:22
sebsebseb	yep	Nov 21 03:22
_goblin	standby....have to refresh my memory	Nov 21 03:22
_goblin	just themes and wallpapers make it eyecandy....	Nov 21 03:23
sebsebseb	the vm was old though when I tried in Virtualbox, but I really liked it. Thing is that distro does Open Office on it's paid for add on CD, but people can install them selves anyway it seems. It's Slackware based.	Nov 21 03:23
_goblin	look at my 30 minute knocked up Ubuntu 9.10:	Nov 21 03:23
sebsebseb	_goblin: well screensavers count as eye candy, and Ubuntu has removed loads from the default install, in 9.10	Nov 21 03:24
_goblin	http://www.twitpic.com/px2st	Nov 21 03:24
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sebsebseb	_goblin: the compiz Cube?	Nov 21 03:26
_goblin	yeah...	Nov 21 03:27
_goblin	and a nifty little skydome that gives a 3d effect	Nov 21 03:28
_goblin	I have to keep some of my rigs looking pretty for the rest of the family to use..	Nov 21 03:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] “Microsoft Seems to be Patenting Stuff Like Crazy” http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/20/software-patents-madness/		Nov 21 03:30
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sebsebseb	_goblin: Mandriva 2010 has the old GDM and Grub	Nov 21 03:30
sebsebseb	well that's good really :)	Nov 21 03:30
sebsebseb	since that means I can put some sound on the GDM :) and change the colours easilly for Grub as well	Nov 21 03:30
schestowitz	Ah.. http://www.twitpic.com/nfee5	Nov 21 03:33
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schestowitz	Ok, time for zzzzz's	Nov 21 03:35
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Microsoft #Silverlight has #Windows-centric features. Reeeeeaaallllyyy? http://ur1.ca/g8pu		Nov 21 03:46
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Android running #iTablet killer before the iTablet is even out http://ur1.ca/g8px #apple		Nov 21 03:46
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @schestowitz: #Microsoft Still Shamelessly #Patents Other People's Ideas http://tinyurl.com/yzckcdx		Nov 21 04:16
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DaemonFC	!seen jono	Nov 21 04:54
DaemonFC	that doesn't work here?	Nov 21 04:54
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DaemonFC	schestowitz: http://features.csmonitor.com/books/2009/11/20/free-books-used-as-tools-to-fight-evolution/	Nov 21 05:06
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DaemonFC	ender2070: I'm in hell	Nov 21 05:50
DaemonFC	my neighbor woke me up blasting music, and it wasn't even good music	Nov 21 05:50
DaemonFC	it was Que Sera Sera by Doris Day	Nov 21 05:50
DaemonFC	I pounded on her door and asked her if she had been hired to work at Guantanamo and needed the practice	Nov 21 05:51
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oiaohm	Could have been worse DaemonFC. Could have been a jackhammer.	Nov 21 06:33
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DaemonFC	not a lot better	Nov 21 06:41
DaemonFC	oiaohm: It looks like MSE does keep malware off a PC after all	Nov 21 06:41
DaemonFC	I went over to my mom's neighbor's house and took a look at their XP system I disinfected a couple months ago	Nov 21 06:42
DaemonFC	still clean	Nov 21 06:42
oiaohm	Its young DaemonFC	Nov 21 06:46
oiaohm	I remember when malware bytes was the be all and end all then it stoped working. I could go on for about 500 different applications.	Nov 21 06:46
oiaohm	When they are new the malware and virus writers don't have sitting in there tool chest disabling systems.	Nov 21 06:47
oiaohm	When MSE has a bit more age on it we will find out how good or bad it is DaemonFC	Nov 21 06:47
oiaohm	http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Kernel-Log-Coming-in-2-6-32-Part-3-Storage-864376.html Interesting disk io benchmarks	Nov 21 06:54
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oiaohm	Cutting 12 seconds of what was a 48 second operation is impressive.	Nov 21 06:56
oiaohm	http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Sony-Ericsson-unveils-Cross-platform-development-environment-for-Android-Symbian-865068.html Interesting	Nov 21 06:59
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DaemonFC	oiaohm: Do you figure it's a better deal to buy a 32" 720p LCD for $400 or a 32" 1080p LCD for $750?	Nov 21 07:02
DaemonFC	I'm window shopping for a new TV, I may just go ahead and buy one if I get that "stimulus check"	Nov 21 07:02
DaemonFC	this one I'm on now weighs about 100 pounds, it's massive, no HDMI, I'm tired of looking at it	Nov 21 07:03
oiaohm	Depends how close you are going to be to the TV.	Nov 21 07:04
oiaohm	When you are far enough back even the most picky person cannot pick the difference. Human eyes are not good enough.	Nov 21 07:05
DaemonFC	hmmmm	Nov 21 07:06
DaemonFC	probably six feet between the couch and the TV	Nov 21 07:06
DaemonFC	the room isn't all that big	Nov 21 07:06
DaemonFC	another thing I was interested in is doubling it as a PC monitor, I know I'd want the 1080p model for that	Nov 21 07:07
oiaohm	PC monitor 720p is going to sux.	Nov 21 07:07
oiaohm	Event the 1080p can sux.	Nov 21 07:07
oiaohm	Be aware lot of tv LCD's have limited resultions on offer for the computer and will black screen if you choose a resultion they don't know.	Nov 21 07:09
Diablo-D3	1080/1200p for a monitor is fine	Nov 21 07:09
Diablo-D3	oiaohm: no, not really	Nov 21 07:09
oiaohm	Really.	Nov 21 07:09
Diablo-D3	learn how dvi and hdmi work	Nov 21 07:09
Diablo-D3	if you use a resolution that isnt returned by the TV, then yes, it can do whatever it wants	Nov 21 07:09
oiaohm	It should tell the computer resultions it can display.	Nov 21 07:09
Diablo-D3	it does.	Nov 21 07:09
Diablo-D3	and it has done so for a very very long time.	Nov 21 07:10
oiaohm	There are some that have crappy controller.	Nov 21 07:10
oiaohm	That returns a stack of resultions they cannot do.	Nov 21 07:10
Diablo-D3	then the television is broken	Nov 21 07:10
oiaohm	LCD screens have all there resultions tested.	Nov 21 07:10
oiaohm	If they are for PC.	Nov 21 07:10
Diablo-D3	also, running an LCD panel at non-native res sucks.	Nov 21 07:10
DaemonFC	oiaohm: My mom's TV is weird. Sometimes you have to push OK/Exit. OK/Exit, 5-6 times when you're trying to start an HD movie from On Demand	Nov 21 07:10
Diablo-D3	tv or not	Nov 21 07:10
DaemonFC	cause it will pop up an error message that says "Not Support!!!"	Nov 21 07:11
oiaohm	You have one DaemonFC	Nov 21 07:11
DaemonFC	eventually the movie will start	Nov 21 07:11
DaemonFC	I don't know if it's a TV problem, or a cable box problem	Nov 21 07:11
oiaohm	Diablo-D3: Real world and theory are different.	Nov 21 07:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Since when was the blindingly obvious considered "news"? http://tinyurl.com/ygnb9c4		Nov 21 07:12
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DaemonFC	oiaohm: She has no idea what she's doing. She buys something for $1,000 that could be crap (sometimes she gets lucky and it isn't)	Nov 21 07:12
DaemonFC	then the next time I'm over, she has no idea how to use it, but she's excited that she bought something expensive	Nov 21 07:12
Diablo-D3	oiaohm: huh? no, it really does suck	Nov 21 07:12
Diablo-D3	also, I dont buy cheap TVs	Nov 21 07:12
Diablo-D3	you guys apparently do	Nov 21 07:13
oiaohm	Diablo-D3: I have had it on a sony in the manual it was even noted as a non function.	Nov 21 07:13
DaemonFC	Diablo-D3: I don't know that I'd call 720p crap	Nov 21 07:13
Diablo-D3	I dont buy cheap _or_ crap TVs.	Nov 21 07:13
oiaohm	When used it returns a message to OS that it cannot switch to the resultion Diablo-D3	Nov 21 07:13
DaemonFC	it wasn't THAT long ago that we were happy with VHS at 1/3rd that resolution	Nov 21 07:13
DaemonFC	and DVDs are all 480p	Nov 21 07:13
oiaohm	Even that it told the OS it could do it Diablo-D3	Nov 21 07:13
Diablo-D3	oiaohm: [02:08:45] <Diablo-D3> also, running an LCD panel at non-native res sucks.	Nov 21 07:14
DaemonFC	at this rate, it'll be 3-4 years before a video game console can really surpass 720p without upscaling a lower resolution	Nov 21 07:14
DaemonFC	or about 5 years until cable TV even catches up to 720p fully	Nov 21 07:14
oiaohm	Diablo-D3: I know that but having OS try a res 8 times then panel shutoff. Is a pain in ass having to turn off to come back on line.	Nov 21 07:15
oiaohm	Just because someone by mistake changed resultions Diablo-D3	Nov 21 07:15
DaemonFC	consumer electronics are only meant to have a service life of about 5 years tops	Nov 21 07:15
DaemonFC	there's still people slugging it out on 10 year old PCs or old console TV sets built in the 80s	Nov 21 07:16
oiaohm	Basically make sure the LCD screen has a good controller DaemonFC prevents lots of head aches latter.	Nov 21 07:16
DaemonFC	lots of them from the circumstantial evidence	Nov 21 07:16
Diablo-D3	or dont buy a TV	Nov 21 07:16
DaemonFC	(XP with 70% usage share)	Nov 21 07:16
Diablo-D3	they make 42" and larger computer monitors	Nov 21 07:16
oiaohm	Diablo-D3: yep computer monitors all resultions work as they should.	Nov 21 07:17
DaemonFC	oiaohm: I may buy a Samsung TV	Nov 21 07:17
oiaohm	No controller short cutting.	Nov 21 07:17
DaemonFC	I haven't had problems with their stuff before	Nov 21 07:17
oiaohm	I don't know if Samsung do controller evil.	Nov 21 07:17
DaemonFC	the other brans I'm considering are Toshiba and Philips	Nov 21 07:17
DaemonFC	*brands	Nov 21 07:17
DaemonFC	I won't buy anything that says Proscan, RCA, GE, or Sony	Nov 21 07:18
DaemonFC	I may consider buying a Vizio set	Nov 21 07:18
DaemonFC	not sure who makes them, but my aunt and uncle bought one at Walmart while I was with them one night, it's a nice TV	Nov 21 07:19
oiaohm	Really the controller board is all important to how annoying it is.	Nov 21 07:19
DaemonFC	Walmart has a 26 inch Vizio LCD on sale for $246 this week	Nov 21 07:20
oiaohm	Few cases I have seen the cheepest of the cheep LCD's with good boards.	Nov 21 07:20
DaemonFC	oiaohm: They have had no problems with theirs	Nov 21 07:20
oiaohm	Computer hooked up to it.	Nov 21 07:20
oiaohm	And resultion answer checked.	Nov 21 07:20
DaemonFC	actually, my blacklist is Proscan, GE, RCA, Sony, and Polaroid	Nov 21 07:20
oiaohm	Ie that is what will drive you nuts with a PC if that is wrong.	Nov 21 07:21
DaemonFC	Proscan, GE, and RCA are all one company, and they fired all the people working for them in the USA including my dad	Nov 21 07:21
oiaohm	Even worse are ones that don't answer screen sizes at All to the OS.	Nov 21 07:21
DaemonFC	so I will never buy from them	Nov 21 07:21
DaemonFC	I knew a lot of the people they fired when they went off to China, they axed over 10,000 in total just at the Marion plant	Nov 21 07:22
oiaohm	Old Proscan CRT's were solid.	Nov 21 07:22
DaemonFC	I know that any TV I buy will probably be made in China	Nov 21 07:22
DaemonFC	but I have a particular disgust of Thomson Consumer Electronics	Nov 21 07:22
DaemonFC	not just for that, but for their Microsoft deals and MP3 patent trolling	Nov 21 07:22
DaemonFC	Thomson is heavy users of Microsoft software, and Intel processors	Nov 21 07:23
DaemonFC	exclusive customers on both	Nov 21 07:23
DaemonFC	thats how I got my hands on Windows NT 4 and Windows 2000 though, my dad copied the image discs they kept on site	Nov 21 07:24
DaemonFC	lol	Nov 21 07:24
DaemonFC	Polaroid seems to have slow and buggy firmware	Nov 21 07:24
DaemonFC	Sony is Sony, enough said, laundry list of grievances against them	Nov 21 07:24
DaemonFC	Toshiba, I've never used a TV from them, but their laptops are top notch	Nov 21 07:25
zer0c00l`	DaemonFC: howdy	Nov 21 07:25
DaemonFC	Philips usually makes good stuff	Nov 21 07:25
DaemonFC	Samsung makes good TVs	Nov 21 07:26
DaemonFC	hello zer0c00l`	Nov 21 07:26
DaemonFC	I haven't bought a single thing made by Thomson in over 10 years	Nov 21 07:26
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Feeling sick x(		Nov 21 07:26
DaemonFC	my dad used to sign up to get prototypes of new consumer hardware	Nov 21 07:26
DaemonFC	was always bringing home new stuff, from VCRs to cordless phones (pretty neat at the time) including one with Caller ID (new then)	Nov 21 07:27
DaemonFC	he got me a free RCA Lyra back in like 1999	Nov 21 07:27
DaemonFC	it was chitzy, ate batteries, and only had 256 megs on it	Nov 21 07:28
DaemonFC	it was free though B-)	Nov 21 07:28
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DaemonFC	I may just get a 37"	Nov 21 07:41
DaemonFC	they all seem to be 1080p and about the same price as a 32" 1080p	Nov 21 07:41
DaemonFC	hmm, Amazon knows what music I like, what books I read, what tea flavors I drink, that I've been shopping for TVs, and that I may be interested in cat products	Nov 21 07:45
DaemonFC	:P	Nov 21 07:45
DaemonFC	they probably know more about me than the federal government	Nov 21 07:45
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] LOL #hallofshame total failure of Public distribution sys RD: @the_hindu A ration card in the name of Mahatma Gandhi! http://bit.ly/5EFjNI		Nov 21 07:56
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] #ROLF "In June, a ration card issued to one Laxmi of Vizianagaram district with a photograph of tennis star Sania Mirza was detected."		Nov 21 07:56
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] I asked @ubuntuslave "whats up man?" he replied "ceiling fan" :D		Nov 21 07:56
DaemonFC	I got tickets to see Trans-Siberian Orchestra on Dec 23rd	Nov 21 08:02
DaemonFC	oiaohm: http://www.qvc.com/qic/qvcapp.aspx/view.2/app.detail/params.item.E201935.desc.Samsung-LN37B530-37-Diagonal-1080p-LCD-HDTV	Nov 21 08:03
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DaemonFC	What do you say about this one?	Nov 21 08:03
DaemonFC	damn	Nov 21 08:14
DaemonFC	two state trooper cars outside my house	Nov 21 08:15
DaemonFC	have someone pulled over	Nov 21 08:15
DaemonFC	I may go spy	Nov 21 08:15
DaemonFC	brb	Nov 21 08:15
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Finch is not as scary as I once thought as a PM client		Nov 21 08:36
DaemonFC	hmmm, Walmart is having $198 laptops in the Black Friday sale	Nov 21 08:44
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] has anyone managed to run Computer Janitor and have a working system afterwards?		Nov 21 09:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] what is happening with the Gizmo Project? Now you have to be a member to download the client?		Nov 21 09:34
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oiaohm	DaemonFC: Over the years I have got careful. Never had the luck of being close in it. Most Samsung stuff is good.	Nov 21 10:20
oiaohm	Warnity on the Samsungs is normally very good.	Nov 21 10:20
oiaohm	Few minor questions and they do swap over replacement.	Nov 21 10:20
oiaohm	If anything goes wrong.	Nov 21 10:20
oiaohm	None of the crap of taking it to repair and waiting for another one to come back.	Nov 21 10:21
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE 4.3 Demo, as #Ogg http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/21/kde-4-3-demo/		Nov 21 10:29
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schestowitz	oiaohm: avoid Samsung	Nov 21 10:32
schestowitz	It has a Linux patent deal with Microsoft	Nov 21 10:32
schestowitz	Some idiot here says I run the Linux Haters site..... liars. http://www.vuntz.net/journal/post/2009/11/14/I-m-a-pop-star%21	Nov 21 10:33
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Why are O2 DNS servers so hopeless? use an OpenDNS. The one I recommend is: 208.67.222.222 ..its very fast!		Nov 21 10:35
oiaohm	schestowitz: They might but good hardware is good hardware. I really wish these deals were not secret.	Nov 21 10:35
oiaohm	Because I would like to see what else was bundled up with the deal over Linux schestowitz	Nov 21 10:35
oiaohm	I suspect items they really needed.	Nov 21 10:36
oiaohm	That pop star guy just spoiled my favorate pic of a dragon.	Nov 21 10:38
oiaohm	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/20/silverlight_4_windows_bias/ This here is a pure repeat of what MS did to Java	Nov 21 10:39
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oiaohm	So far I have seen no techical reason why google os could not run a data drive for web cache.	Nov 21 10:40
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] "Give a man a fish he will eat for a day, give him a laptop and he will shill for life" - Goblin http://www.openbytes.wordpress.com		Nov 21 10:41
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] "Do unto others as they do unto Gnu" - Goblin http://www.openbytes.wordpress.com #linux #foss #gnu #microsoft #windows #vista #xp #windows7		Nov 21 10:43
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Ladytron. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/21037.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/534906.html		Nov 21 10:45
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post - System Restore Partition On Linux \| The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/yghstvz		Nov 21 10:59
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schestowitz	http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/28868.wss	Nov 21 10:59
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schestowitz	[10:39] <oiaohm> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/20/silverlight_4_windows_bias/ This here is a pure repeat of what MS did to Java	Nov 21 10:59
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schestowitz	How so?	Nov 21 10:59
schestowitz	SL is going nowhere	Nov 21 11:00
schestowitz	Scarce adoption	Nov 21 11:00
oiaohm	Adding platform depend extentions to try to limit it range schestowitz	Nov 21 11:00
schestowitz	Ah	Nov 21 11:00
schestowitz	Expected	Nov 21 11:00
schestowitz	Ballmer said so	Nov 21 11:00
oiaohm	MS is not even creative about it.	Nov 21 11:04
oiaohm	Direct X support was one of the bits of crap they added to java.	Nov 21 11:05
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC News - Facebook acts on follower trade http://tinyurl.com/ybzvymo		Nov 21 11:17
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schestowitz	Did they...?	Nov 21 11:37
schestowitz	ANyway, was on the phone for half an hour. I'm gonna do some SUSE posts......	Nov 21 11:37
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Got two jobs today..Babysitting of a relative, but first.....shopping...wife has threatened that I won't eat tonight otherwise.		Nov 21 11:49
_goblin	sorry about the Twitter pimp...its for a friend.....	Nov 21 12:09
_goblin	it will be twitted here in a minute	Nov 21 12:09
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_goblin	or maybe it won't	Nov 21 12:17
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DaemonFC	oiaohm: According to Opera, they're going to do the same acceleration stuff as Microsoft has in mind for IE 9	Nov 21 12:24
DaemonFC	only in Opera, it will use DirectX on Windows and OpenGL on anything else	Nov 21 12:24
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oiaohm	DaemonFC: Firefox has it as well if they get the cairo running.	Nov 21 12:43
oiaohm	Using opengl.	Nov 21 12:44
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenSUSE 11.2 Reviews, Board Elections, OpenSUSE 11.3 in the Details http://ur1.ca/g96c		Nov 21 12:48
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oiaohm	schestowitz: You saw the two performance graphics on this site http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Kernel-Log-Coming-in-2-6-32-Part-3-Storage-864376.html One before one after..	Nov 21 12:59
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Tesla IPO coming soon http://ur1.ca/g974		Nov 21 13:06
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Goddamnit !Debian, who put Mono dependencies in the #gnome metapackage? Quit poisoning my distro!		Nov 21 13:11
schestowitz	oiaohm: yes, I saw that	Nov 21 13:17
cubezzz	Telsa ftw!	Nov 21 13:26
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amarsh04	the managing director of the isp I use has a telsla car: http://blog.internode.on.net/2009/10/31/tesla-roadster-ggc-2009-performance-results/	Nov 21 13:45
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oiaohm	http://www.daniweb.com/news/story240080.html Light news day.	Nov 21 13:45
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schestowitz	http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20090705085301701&title=Cake+Or+Death%3F&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=767595#c767617	Nov 21 13:45
schestowitz	"	Nov 21 13:45
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schestowitz	As far as I know, there has been no significant uptick in Mono development, just	Nov 21 13:45
schestowitz	Stallman voicing his (very authoritative) opinion on Mono, one that most of the	Nov 21 13:45
schestowitz	community seems to share (I uninstalled Mono on my Ubuntu system, and lost two	Nov 21 13:45
schestowitz	programs. I have installed a bunch of programs, none of which require it).	Nov 21 13:45
schestowitz	Now, everyone in the M$/Mono camp is going nuts, with official releases and	Nov 21 13:45
schestowitz	astroturfers and misrepresenting facts about sites like Boycott Novell.	Nov 21 13:45
schestowitz	"	Nov 21 13:45
schestowitz	oiaohm: it's Hess	Nov 21 13:46
schestowitz	2007 called. They want their news back.	Nov 21 13:46
schestowitz	Torvalds does not hate freedom	Nov 21 13:46
schestowitz	He's just more indifferent towards it	Nov 21 13:46
schestowitz	That's fine	Nov 21 13:46
schestowitz	We need both the Linuses and RMSes	Nov 21 13:47
oiaohm	Both of the comments there are 8 years old schestowitz	Nov 21 13:47
oiaohm	w.infoworld.com/d/open-source/microsoft-azure-set-capture-open-source-revenue-streams-087 Most don't read this right.	Nov 21 13:49
oiaohm	http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source/microsoft-azure-set-capture-open-source-revenue-streams-087	Nov 21 13:49
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oiaohm	MS needing mysql and appache to be sure of making money from Azure. Basically says MS has lost.	Nov 21 13:49
trmanco	why the fuck am I on this trolls list -> http://twitter.com/verofakto/boycottboys	Nov 21 13:53
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trmanco	so I get the idea	Nov 21 13:54
trmanco	I hang around in the irc channel	Nov 21 13:54
trmanco	I'm part of you guys	Nov 21 13:55
oiaohm	http://dailyheadlines.uark.edu/16260.htm bugger	Nov 21 13:56
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oiaohm	There is no such thing as bad advertising trmanco	Nov 21 13:57
oiaohm	http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091120/1429427030.shtml schestowitz when copyright goes wrong.	Nov 21 14:28
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schestowitz	trmanco: no-one pays attention to it. It means Mono proponents worry about you.	Nov 21 14:31
cubezzz	I got a Linux TV :)	Nov 21 14:42
cubezzz	KDL-40V4100	Nov 21 14:43
cubezzz	source code under GPL	Nov 21 14:43
schestowitz	Tuner?	Nov 21 14:43
schestowitz	Or cable?	Nov 21 14:43
cubezzz	antenna and it looks great	Nov 21 14:43
schestowitz	Neither is intractive enough. I enjoy HD YouTube on this 100Mbit/sec connection (no caps)	Nov 21 14:43
cubezzz	can you get 1080p?	Nov 21 14:44
cubezzz	yeah youtube is pretty neat	Nov 21 14:45
cubezzz	SONY could mention their TVs run Linux	Nov 21 14:45
cubezzz	to me, that's a nice feature to have	Nov 21 14:45
schestowitz	cubezzz: Neuros does YouTUbe	Nov 21 14:46
schestowitz	It's 100% FOSS, i think.I'm not sure about the h/w side, but it's a company to support, definitely...	Nov 21 14:46
Diablo-D3	lol	Nov 21 14:47
Diablo-D3	cubezzz: dude	Nov 21 14:47
Diablo-D3	dont captialize sony	Nov 21 14:47
Diablo-D3	its not an acronym	Nov 21 14:47
schestowitz	As for Sony, it's not just them. It's like most Asian TV makers, according to Morton (needs verification)	Nov 21 14:47
Diablo-D3	Sony is not a premium brand	Nov 21 14:47
schestowitz	Mark Shuttleworth capitalises SONY	Nov 21 14:47
Diablo-D3	mark shuttleworth is a dickhead	Nov 21 14:47
Diablo-D3	its Sony.	Nov 21 14:47
schestowitz	Maybe I can come up with a funny acronym for Novell	Nov 21 14:48
Diablo-D3	anyhow, Sony no longer manufactures LCD panels	Nov 21 14:48
Diablo-D3	and they never manufactured computer sized ones	Nov 21 14:48
cubezzz	right you are	Nov 21 14:48
Diablo-D3	all their monitor and laptop panels have been samsung or sharp	Nov 21 14:48
Diablo-D3	and usually the higher grade ones	Nov 21 14:49
cubezzz	the analog tv had to go :)	Nov 21 14:49
Diablo-D3	their TV panels now are manufactured by Sharp, or technically, a jointly owned sub-company that Sony owns a small share of.	Nov 21 14:49
Diablo-D3	Sharp and Sony consume most of the A grade panels from that fab	Nov 21 14:50
Diablo-D3	Toshiba consumes the rest	Nov 21 14:50
schestowitz	Nefarious Organisation Vilifies Every Linux Law	Nov 21 14:50
Diablo-D3	schestowitz: ...	Nov 21 14:50
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What #NOVELL Stands For http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/21/novell-nefarious-organisation/		Nov 21 15:08
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Telepathy a Plugin Away from #Mono (Non- #ECMA Parts) http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/21/telepathy-and-novell-banshee/		Nov 21 15:47
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] today i am googling "php site:thedailywtf.com", prompted by @techpractical http://is.gd/50pAn		Nov 21 16:03
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #European #Commission Keeps Getting Filled with #Microsoft Cronies http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/21/siim-kallas-cronyism/		Nov 21 16:35
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schestowitz	bbl	Nov 21 16:44
cubezzz	what did they use ncurses for I wonder	Nov 21 17:15
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Shroud of Turin proven genuine after Large Hadron Collider switched on http://notnews.today.com/?p=747		Nov 21 17:22
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Diablo-D3	hah	Nov 21 17:24
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sebsebseb	hi	Nov 21 17:47
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Batshit insane YouTube review of Modern Warfare 2. NSFW. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgn2jugK_Hk Time to ban video games and webcams.		Nov 21 18:04
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schestowitz	Just listened to... http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/ogg/122	Nov 21 18:54
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schestowitz	They're not as drunk this week	Nov 21 18:54
cubezzz	damn, what a pain	Nov 21 18:55
cubezzz	still can't flash the damned zaurus	Nov 21 18:55
schestowitz	moon it	Nov 21 18:55
cubezzz	fine, I'll go back to 2.4.6	Nov 21 18:55
cubezzz	stupid technology	Nov 21 18:55
schestowitz	'IT;	Nov 21 18:56
schestowitz	'IT'...	Nov 21 18:56
cubezzz	no one sells the old style compact cards	Nov 21 18:56
schestowitz	People who program reduced to consumerism	Nov 21 18:56
schestowitz	Hot install app?	Nov 21 18:57
schestowitz	transaction in "store"	Nov 21 18:57
cubezzz	I don't want to be reduced to consumerism	Nov 21 18:57
schestowitz	http://failblog.org/2009/11/07/career-fair-fail/	Nov 21 18:57
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cubezzz	I'm a customer :)	Nov 21 18:58
schestowitz	Nope	Nov 21 18:58
cubezzz	I just don't get treated good	Nov 21 18:58
schestowitz	Go back to your coop ! Lay eggs	Nov 21 18:58
cubezzz	when I said zaurus the store guy goes "Is that like torrents?"	Nov 21 18:58
cubezzz	anyways....	Nov 21 18:59
schestowitz	http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8370302.stm	Nov 21 18:59
phIRCe-BNc	Title: BBC NEWS \| News Front Page .::. Size~: 85.76 KB	Nov 21 18:59
schestowitz	Disgusting	Nov 21 18:59
schestowitz	People buy 'friends'	Nov 21 18:59
cubezzz	sharp, you let me down	Nov 21 18:59
schestowitz	Same in Twitter btw	Nov 21 19:00
schestowitz	fake #s	Nov 21 19:00
cubezzz	you notice you can't get much service these days?	Nov 21 19:00
schestowitz	Se Sharp	Nov 21 19:00
cubezzz	and no one answers their phone either	Nov 21 19:00
schestowitz	Ce Sharp	Nov 21 19:00
schestowitz	CE Sharp	Nov 21 19:00
schestowitz	C Sharp	Nov 21 19:00
*cubezzz WinCEs		Nov 21 19:00
schestowitz	peh [spit]	Nov 21 19:01
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schestowitz	If you see a hash in Linux, run	Nov 21 19:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Looking forward to the traditional Xmas movie.....Home Alone...is that now part of a UK Xmas?		Nov 21 19:02
cubezzz	no one writes docs	Nov 21 19:02
cubezzz	except me it seems	Nov 21 19:02
schestowitz	The European Croniession is disappointing too	Nov 21 19:02
cubezzz	or at least write some comments in the damned code	Nov 21 19:02
schestowitz	Cox says code documents self	Nov 21 19:03
schestowitz	If elegant	Nov 21 19:03
cubezzz	schestowitz, you know I spent 5 years getting one of my scanners to work on Linux?	Nov 21 19:03
cubezzz	I did it.... lots of willpower	Nov 21 19:03
schestowitz	Some people tried this with VIsta for 2 7years	Nov 21 19:05
schestowitz	They are still trying	Nov 21 19:05
schestowitz	http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/11/20/ebay-completes-skype-sale	Nov 21 19:07
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Ender2070	I don't think there is any doubt paint.mono was ported by Miguel	Nov 21 19:11
Ender2070	hes the project owner on the official site	Nov 21 19:11
Ender2070	http://code.google.com/p/paint-mono/	Nov 21 19:11
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] NHS fail http://failblog.org/2009/11/07/career-fair-fail/		Nov 21 19:12
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Ender2070	someone mentioned in comments that shipping digikam would require shipping kde stuff (kdelibs) but those are still smaller than mono	Nov 21 19:16
Ender2070	and	Nov 21 19:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Excellent Twit.tv chat over on irc.twit.tv - I must admit to loving those podcasts even those not relevant to me...!		Nov 21 19:17
Ender2070	fedora ships gtk stuff with the kde spin too, its not a big issue	Nov 21 19:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Oops. In that last one I meant DHS, not NHS.		Nov 21 19:31
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/21/lhc_beams_back_up/	Nov 21 19:32
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schestowitz	http://www.packtpub.com/apache-myfaces-trinidad-1-2-web-application-groundwork-1	Nov 21 19:37
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schestowitz	Hey, _goblin.	Nov 21 19:37
schestowitz	You about...?	Nov 21 19:37
_goblin	hi	Nov 21 19:38
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schestowitz	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=fedora_12_intel&num=1	Nov 21 19:48
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schestowitz	_goblin: any explanation you might have for anti-Linux (and those who slander me) abandoning COLA?	Nov 21 19:49
_goblin	ah....yes.....	Nov 21 19:50
_goblin	I think its for a few reasons....	Nov 21 19:50
schestowitz	You hard..?	Nov 21 19:50
schestowitz	I think you did post	Nov 21 19:50
_goblin	sorry?	Nov 21 19:50
_goblin	lol...	Nov 21 19:50
schestowitz	I saw you posting	Nov 21 19:50
schestowitz	So I figured you saw	Nov 21 19:50
_goblin	yeah	Nov 21 19:50
Ender2070	hency why fedora is superior	Nov 21 19:50
schestowitz	I'll tell you this:	Nov 21 19:50
schestowitz	I've been in COLA for 4 years	Nov 21 19:50
schestowitz	They never abandoned like this	Nov 21 19:51
schestowitz	So we _must_ have done something right	Nov 21 19:51
schestowitz	Ender2070: yes...	Nov 21 19:51
_goblin	I think they have realized that attacking merely causes more support....	Nov 21 19:51
schestowitz	"Lastly, we have the results from Urban Terror. Fedora 12 was the clear winner here where it offered much better performance than 10 and 11. In fact, the frame-rate for Urban Terror in Fedora 12 was doubled of where it was at in Fedora 11."	Nov 21 19:51
schestowitz	Not bad for 6 months of work	Nov 21 19:51
_goblin	I wouldn't have found BN if it hadn't been for the attacks...	Nov 21 19:51
Ender2070	most if it is simply having the absolute latest xorg	Nov 21 19:52
cubezzz	when you attack something you can make it stronger	Nov 21 19:52
schestowitz	No such thing as bad publicity, said oiaohm to trmanco	Nov 21 19:52
schestowitz	Microsoft would be better off ignoring Like, Apple does that	Nov 21 19:52
schestowitz	The spying on PJ got her only more power	Nov 21 19:53
schestowitz	Novell employees still attack me	Nov 21 19:53
schestowitz	jono hopefully pays attention	Nov 21 19:53
schestowitz	Novell employee used to comment with nyms in BN	Nov 21 19:53
jono	I try to :)	Nov 21 19:53
schestowitz	Now they get exposed, so they use other sites to attack me	Nov 21 19:54
schestowitz	Carla Schroder exposed them	Nov 21 19:54
schestowitz	Not by name	Nov 21 19:54
schestowitz	But she said many who slime me have Novell.com IPs	Nov 21 19:54
schestowitz	They also reteweet and twit stuff against me, which is well... blatantly from Novell, which is just people	Nov 21 19:54
schestowitz	http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/11/php-531-released-for-5-securit.html	Nov 21 19:56
cubezzz	it's drivers that worry me	Nov 21 19:56
schestowitz	http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/Just-Today-Download-of-VMware-Image-of-Google-Chrome-OS	Nov 21 19:57
cubezzz	we have most of the source, but not all	Nov 21 19:57
schestowitz	Has anyone tried it yet? Chrome OS.	Nov 21 19:57
cubezzz	nope, I spent the last week trying new stuff and now I'm tired :)	Nov 21 19:57
schestowitz	http://www.techradar.com/news/computing-components/arm-excited-by-chrome-os-652783	Nov 21 19:57
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schestowitz	I'm excited by ARM	Nov 21 19:58
schestowitz	cubezzz: http://www.themaemo.com/nokias-maemo-os-the-next-big-wave/	Nov 21 19:59
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Nokias Maemo OS The next big wave \| The Maemo .::. Size~: 58.75 KB	Nov 21 19:59
schestowitz	Maybe this one is decent for hacking	Nov 21 19:59
schestowitz	Alas, Nokia loves DRM and stuff like that	Nov 21 19:59
schestowitz	http://techdirt.com/articles/20091119/1830157014.shtml	Nov 21 20:00
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Ender2070	i have chromeos	Nov 21 20:01
Ender2070	but you need a specific computer to run it	Nov 21 20:01
Ender2070	i did read that theres a guide to getting it run in a vm though	Nov 21 20:01
Ender2070	to run*	Nov 21 20:01
Ender2070	when its almost done you're going to see people removing the blockers so it runs on all pcs	Nov 21 20:02
Ender2070	I checked out the video, you will be able to store data on the unit itself and not the cloud	Nov 21 20:03
MinceR	probably only via google gears :>	Nov 21 20:03
Ender2070	its also encrypted, and the os sits on a read only filesystem so that if something messes ups you can just reboot it	Nov 21 20:03
Ender2070	people will just hack the end product	Nov 21 20:04
Ender2070	its open source	Nov 21 20:04
Ender2070	take all the evil google stuff out	Nov 21 20:04
Ender2070	make it operate on regular hdd's	Nov 21 20:05
Ender2070	i think its based on maemo too, so you can probably get those apps running on it	Nov 21 20:05
Ender2070	iirc	Nov 21 20:05
schestowitz	Ender2070: how will you reflash for flaws?	Nov 21 20:21
schestowitz	Or is it assumed that a defect before next boot is "OK"?	Nov 21 20:22
schestowitz	Ender2070: you can ask jono	Nov 21 20:22
schestowitz	Canonical cooperates with Chrome OS team on stuff	Nov 21 20:22
schestowitz	Maemo is Debian/Nokia	Nov 21 20:23
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schestowitz	Google is all cuddly... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/21/google_toilet_paper/	Nov 21 20:24
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schestowitz	There was fake SCO toilet paper	Nov 21 20:24
schestowitz	But this one is for Microsoft employees	Nov 21 20:25
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/20/comcast_hijacking_charges/	Nov 21 20:26
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Potty-mouths charged for Comcast hijack • The Register .::. Size~: 25.43 KB	Nov 21 20:26
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] T-Mobile it’s data & what do file sharers think? http://tinyurl.com/yfaexme #p2p #piratebay #data #t-mobile		Nov 21 20:28
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schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/20/nokia_layoffs/	Nov 21 20:31
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_goblin	Wordpress is a mess.	Nov 21 20:32
_goblin	I hate Wordpress.	Nov 21 20:32
_goblin	Not much to ask to have a smaller font for text under a picture?	Nov 21 20:32
_goblin	apparently it is for Wordpress.	Nov 21 20:32
schestowitz	You use WYSIWYG?	Nov 21 20:33
_goblin	yep	Nov 21 20:33
schestowitz	Meh	Nov 21 20:33
schestowitz	Don't	Nov 21 20:33
_goblin	absolute crap..	Nov 21 20:33
schestowitz	No	Nov 21 20:33
schestowitz	Use template	Nov 21 20:33
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schestowitz	Like I do	Nov 21 20:33
_goblin	its not a difficult feature to expect...	Nov 21 20:33
_goblin	its not like an embedded shoutbox....	Nov 21 20:34
schestowitz	Make a post structure, then use it	Nov 21 20:34
DaemonFC	schestowitz: I wonder how many people will get trampled to death over a $3 coffee pot this year at Walmart	Nov 21 20:34
schestowitz	Heh	Nov 21 20:34
MinceR	WYSIWYG is overrated in general	Nov 21 20:34
schestowitz	Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeezi WIG!	Nov 21 20:34
_goblin	I see Jono is still hovering about....who does he want to interview this time?	Nov 21 20:34
MinceR	wheezy wig?	Nov 21 20:34
schestowitz	That's how it's pronounced	Nov 21 20:35
schestowitz	The LaTexPhoba has them running scared	Nov 21 20:35
schestowitz	*bia	Nov 21 20:35
schestowitz	OK, nap time...	Nov 21 20:35
DaemonFC	I just woke up	Nov 21 20:35
DaemonFC	my neighbor is playing Guantanamo prison employee again with her radio	Nov 21 20:36
Omar87_	Is it true that GIMP is not safe?	Nov 21 20:37
DaemonFC	I don't get it at all. She's two weeks behind on her rent. (That I know of) and never paid her deposit. Why is she not evicted?	Nov 21 20:37
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DaemonFC	the repo people already took her car	Nov 21 20:38
DaemonFC	I'd like to know how it is exactly, that she's getting to work and back	Nov 21 20:38
_goblin	Hi Omar87!	Nov 21 20:39
Ender2070	GIMP is being removed	Nov 21 20:39
Ender2070	what the article said	Nov 21 20:40
DaemonFC	GIMP has an awful interface	Nov 21 20:41
Ender2070	i also suspect subliminals at work too	Nov 21 20:41
DaemonFC	Watch them replace it with Paint-Mono	Nov 21 20:42
Ender2070	thats what i think	Nov 21 20:42
MinceR	gimp has a good interface	Nov 21 20:42
MinceR	and soon even DaemonFC can have his retarded photoshopoid interface if he wants in it :>	Nov 21 20:42
Ender2070	gimp is only weird if your a teenage photoshop pirate	Nov 21 20:43
DaemonFC	I'm actually a young adult Photoshop pirate	Nov 21 20:43
DaemonFC	thank you much	Nov 21 20:43
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Listening to Slay Radio! Retro scene music! http://www.slayradio.org/home.php #mp3 #amiga		Nov 21 20:44
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MinceR	i think "adult" is really an overstatement there :>	Nov 21 20:44
MinceR	scene music ftw	Nov 21 20:44
Ender2070	lol	Nov 21 20:44
Ender2070	+1	Nov 21 20:44
*MinceR is listening to: Scorpik - Guru		Nov 21 20:45
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Finally, a relatively decent small twitter client that is stable for me! Twitux 0.69 #linux #foss		Nov 21 20:46
schestowitz	Hey Omar87_, what's up?	Nov 21 20:47
*schestowitz wakes up		Nov 21 20:47
*DaemonFC is actually listening to the Trans-Siberian Orchestra		Nov 21 20:47
*DaemonFC got a bunch of new FLAC files to listen to B-)		Nov 21 20:48
MinceR	TSO rules too	Nov 21 20:48
schestowitz	http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/19/obama-iran-nuclear-sanctions	Nov 21 20:48
schestowitz	MinceR: TCO or Tso?	Nov 21 20:49
DaemonFC	In my opinion, FLAC is probably the best thing to come from open source	Nov 21 20:49
schestowitz	:-)	Nov 21 20:49
DaemonFC	that will be disputed, I know. But it's the most useful thing to me	Nov 21 20:49
MinceR	schestowitz: Trans-Siberian Orchestra	Nov 21 20:49
schestowitz	Trans-Siberian Orchestra... me looks up	Nov 21 20:49
schestowitz	I figured	Nov 21 20:49
DaemonFC	schestowitz: Get "The Lost Christmas Eve"	Nov 21 20:49
MinceR	my favorite among their works is Wizards in Winter	Nov 21 20:49
DaemonFC	good album	Nov 21 20:49
DaemonFC	mmhm	Nov 21 20:49
schestowitz	The lamers mutex it in YT...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA9DmSfufSQ	Nov 21 20:50
DaemonFC	the album is 501 megs as FLAC, lol	Nov 21 20:51
schestowitz	Trans-Siberian Orchestra - Layla http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1R3KSpIrqg&feature=related	Nov 21 20:51
schestowitz	/mutex/muted/	Nov 21 20:51
DaemonFC	it does run 74.5 minutes	Nov 21 20:51
DaemonFC	that only leaves like 5.5 minutes on the CD	Nov 21 20:51
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alIcwofkrS8&feature=fvw Trans-Siberian Orchestra - "Christmas Eve/Sarajevo - 12/24"	Nov 21 20:52
schestowitz	Omar87_: have a look at http://www.fsdaily.com/Opposition/Moonlight_and_Mono_Not_GNU_Linux_Projects_Anymore	Nov 21 20:52
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DaemonFC	I hate it when an album leaves like a third of the CD empty though	Nov 21 20:52
DaemonFC	you always have to feel cheated when that happens	Nov 21 20:52
schestowitz	DaemonFC: they can fill it up with c* like MAFIAA does	Nov 21 20:52
schestowitz	Or rather, they can take one 3.5 min' single, then fill it up with garbage	Nov 21 20:52
DaemonFC	schestowitz: Yeah, some albums are so bad that they only record one good song for the whole thing	Nov 21 20:53
schestowitz	Then tell you it's a bargain... a quid per track	Nov 21 20:53
MinceR	or they can take an empty CD and fill it up with garbage ;)	Nov 21 20:53
DaemonFC	schestowitz: They're pissed that they can't get away with it with online stores	Nov 21 20:53
schestowitz	We should trade the same.. :-)	Nov 21 20:53
schestowitz	MinceR: I'll send you a hard drive	Nov 21 20:53
schestowitz	With 10 KG og recyclable metal garbage	Nov 21 20:54
DaemonFC	schestowitz: That's why the RIAA really dragged their feet with online sales. They still think this new format of theirs will foist the whole album on you	Nov 21 20:54
DaemonFC	lol	Nov 21 20:54
MinceR	no thanks :)	Nov 21 20:54
schestowitz	at $30 per KG	Nov 21 20:54
DaemonFC	that genie is already out of the bottle	Nov 21 20:54
DaemonFC	track by track sales are not going away	Nov 21 20:54
DaemonFC	if they do, "piracy" will go even higher, and they know that	Nov 21 20:54
schestowitz	Well, they fed it to the people	Nov 21 20:54
schestowitz	Once you give up the same you never get it back	Nov 21 20:55
DaemonFC	schestowitz: I don't get why people would buy a full album of crappy music just to get one good song when you can get it track by track for like 89 cents	Nov 21 20:55
schestowitz	No more acapella of "never gonna give you up" in every pop album	Nov 21 20:55
DaemonFC	whole album sales, with rare exception, are not worth it	Nov 21 20:55
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] excellent fonts for gamers http://www222.pair.com/sjohn/fonts.htm (courtesy Sean Barrett)		Nov 21 20:56
DaemonFC	they belong in the 1990s	Nov 21 20:56
schestowitz	Some people want their plastic inside more plastic, DaemonFC	Nov 21 20:56
schestowitz	And with a sheet or paper	Nov 21 20:56
DaemonFC	schestowitz: Burn it to CD then	Nov 21 20:56
schestowitz	Usually not for lyrics	Nov 21 20:56
DaemonFC	make your own CD full of all the good stuff and skip that band's crap	Nov 21 20:56
schestowitz	For glamour photos of a bunch of dudes or girls too close...	Nov 21 20:56
schestowitz	Like Karen and her brother	Nov 21 20:57
DaemonFC	schestowitz: The RIAA knows that sales are being cut in half just for the reasons I've said, even among the people that buy music	Nov 21 20:57
DaemonFC	a slight and dwindling majority	Nov 21 20:57
schestowitz	http://torrentfreak.com/sxsw-2009-on-bittorrent-6-gb-of-free-music-090312/	Nov 21 20:58
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schestowitz	This is a decent collection	Nov 21 20:58
DaemonFC	they're still not fixing the problem of bad filler tracks, they're jsut trying to conjure up more ways to force you to buy them	Nov 21 20:58
schestowitz	High signal and legally gratis	Nov 21 20:58
schestowitz	Now they set a timebomb on CDs	Nov 21 20:58
schestowitz	No backups allowed	Nov 21 20:59
schestowitz	Defective optical plastic	Nov 21 20:59
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schestowitz	No more vinyl for kids	Nov 21 20:59
schestowitz	No music inheritance	Nov 21 20:59
schestowitz	"Army tapes reveal motive in Iraq prisoner killings" http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/17/army.tapes.canal.killings/index.html	Nov 21 21:00
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schestowitz	MinceR: who would you send on such a vacation? http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/?p=1579 See pic	Nov 21 21:05
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MinceR	looks like a beautiful place	Nov 21 21:06
schestowitz	Vertigo	Nov 21 21:06
MinceR	though it would probably be nicer on foot	Nov 21 21:06
schestowitz	Safer too	Nov 21 21:07
schestowitz	Or snapling	Nov 21 21:07
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schestowitz	http://www.pyb.co.uk/images/courses/intro-shots/rock-climbing.jpg	Nov 21 21:08
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MinceR	(flash) (video) (audio) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U0tDU37q2M	Nov 21 21:11
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MinceR	btw that sign isn't even wrong, there definitely is a right turn ahead :>	Nov 21 21:17
_goblin	daemonFC: whats your view on filesharing?	Nov 21 21:18
schestowitz	http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Knoppix-62/?kc=rss	Nov 21 21:30
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schestowitz	_goblin: watch the video.	Nov 21 21:30
schestowitz	Monty Python	Nov 21 21:30
trmanco	http://gizmodo.com/5409638/earths-weather-like-you-have-never-seen-it-before?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+gizmodo%2Ffull+%28Gizmodo%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher	Nov 21 21:32
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trmanco	"It's based on the Earth System Modeling Framework, an open source project ""	Nov 21 21:32
schestowitz	Yum. open sauce..	Nov 21 21:34
*schestowitz walks off to boil wata'		Nov 21 21:34
schestowitz	"Although NSA has indicated that it would be up to Microsoft to implement MAC on Windows, Red Hat may have come up with a way to do the next-best thing by way of its new virtualization software." http://gcn.com/articles/2009/11/20/se-windows.aspx	Nov 21 21:38
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_goblin	aft...yep Roy..Ill give it a watch	Nov 21 21:45
_goblin	lol	Nov 21 21:47
_goblin	Ive worked around there.....	Nov 21 21:47
DaemonFC	_goblin: I think it doesn't matter what I think. It's here, the MAFIAA has not shut it down. They were stupid to give it so much attention without an actual business plan to counter it.	Nov 21 21:48
DaemonFC	if they lose money, it's their own fault for not competing with a better product	Nov 21 21:48
schestowitz	_goblin: you worked up the wall?	Nov 21 21:49
_goblin	yep	Nov 21 21:49
schestowitz	Tell wallclimber. She does it all the time	Nov 21 21:49
_goblin	have I some stories to tell from around that area...	Nov 21 21:49
_goblin	not here though.	Nov 21 21:49
schestowitz	DaemonFC: some don't lose money	Nov 21 21:49
schestowitz	They are just maximalists, that's all	Nov 21 21:50
_goblin	W5....	Nov 21 21:50
schestowitz	Shareholders want to crush musicians ans listeners	Nov 21 21:50
schestowitz	Pay least, charge most, over and over again	Nov 21 21:50
_goblin	started working in Hackney after that...	Nov 21 21:50
_goblin	then Tottenham....]	Nov 21 21:50
schestowitz	_goblin: Oh, so you're from London. Now I know _who_ you are	Nov 21 21:50
_goblin	you do?	Nov 21 21:51
schestowitz	Yes, the guy from London	Nov 21 21:51
_goblin	I don't live in London...	Nov 21 21:51
_goblin	live in Bedfordshire	Nov 21 21:51
_goblin	used to live in Hertfordshire...	Nov 21 21:51
schestowitz	That makes you one of 50+ million then	Nov 21 21:51
_goblin	born nr Sunderland......	Nov 21 21:51
DaemonFC	Mozilla is pretty arrogant, they keep trying to make false accusations against other browsers	Nov 21 21:51
_goblin	lived in Hetton Le Hole.	Nov 21 21:51
schestowitz	_goblin: did any of the Munchkins expose your identity?	Nov 21 21:51
_goblin	no	Nov 21 21:51
schestowitz	How come?	Nov 21 21:51
schestowitz	No wiretaps yet?	Nov 21 21:52
DaemonFC	now they imply that anyone not using Firefox is ignorant	Nov 21 21:52
schestowitz	They usually have mates in ISPs	Nov 21 21:52
_goblin	wiretap? - I could explain much about that one...	Nov 21 21:52
_goblin	very hyped up...	Nov 21 21:52
_goblin	very boring tech.	Nov 21 21:52
schestowitz	[21:52] <DaemonFC> now they imply that anyone not using Firefox is ignorant	Nov 21 21:52
schestowitz	No, that would be IE	Nov 21 21:52
_goblin	and very worthless unless RIPR authority has been granted....	Nov 21 21:52
schestowitz	Everyone that uses IE is a lazy bugger	Nov 21 21:52
schestowitz	Or ignorant	Nov 21 21:52
DaemonFC	Asa Dotzler, Mozilla's community coordinator said, "When we reached 20%, we became the favored browser for anyone who understood what a browser was."	Nov 21 21:52
DaemonFC	so he implies that Opera, Safari, Chome, etc. users are ignorant for having passed on Firefox	Nov 21 21:53
schestowitz	True	Nov 21 21:53
schestowitz	Those are proprietary	Nov 21 21:53
schestowitz	All of them	Nov 21 21:53
DaemonFC	that's fairly presumptuous	Nov 21 21:53
schestowitz	Konqueror and Chromium are F/OSS	Nov 21 21:53
_goblin	Chromium....my browser of choice	Nov 21 21:54
DaemonFC	well, if open source is so great, why is Firefox so bloated even though it's totally featurelesss by itsefl?	Nov 21 21:54
_goblin	lol	Nov 21 21:54
schestowitz	To make matters worse, Safari nicks KHTML	Nov 21 21:54
DaemonFC	you need to strap on external modules before it can do anything	Nov 21 21:54
schestowitz	Jobs did a rebadging job	Nov 21 21:54
_goblin	don't be filthy	Nov 21 21:54
DaemonFC	if Microsoft coded like Mozilla, DOS would have needed a Pentium 4 with 256 megs of RAM	Nov 21 21:55
_goblin	doesn't it?	Nov 21 21:55
schestowitz	"Hey, Steve [Jobs], just because you broke into Xerox’s store before I did and took the TV doesn’t mean I can’t go in later and steal the stereo." -- PEarly	Nov 21 21:55
_goblin	I thought DOS lagged on a quad core ;)	Nov 21 21:55
DaemonFC	_goblin: That was an old joke about C++ in that fake interview with the creator of C++. In the joke interview he said something like, he made C++ to increase programmer salaries cause it was so damned hard to get anything useful with it	Nov 21 21:56
DaemonFC	he said he managed to rewrite DOS in it and it needed a Pentium 233 and 64 megs of RAM	Nov 21 21:56
DaemonFC	B-)	Nov 21 21:56
DaemonFC	and only took 8 times longer to write	Nov 21 21:56
_goblin	when I can encode a vid through Wine/Tmpenc faster than tmpenc through native windows, one has to wonder what on earth goes on over at the Redmond Coding Club	Nov 21 21:57
DaemonFC	Wine is faster on a few select things	Nov 21 21:58
DaemonFC	especially if it's not calling DirectX	Nov 21 21:58
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/20/nvidia_fermi_launch/	Nov 21 21:59
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_goblin	daemonfc: I also found on the same machine WOW can 10fps better performance than natively in Windows.	Nov 21 22:01
schestowitz	http://blogs.zdnet.com/Murphy/?p=1718	Nov 21 22:05
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Turnip Prize finalists http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/8371916.stm		Nov 21 22:11
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schestowitz	http://www.sdtimes.com/blog/post/2009/11/20/Microsoft-Open-source-protects-Silverlight-investments.aspx	Nov 21 22:52
schestowitz	Miguel is loyal... to his "Microsoft religion"	Nov 21 22:52
schestowitz	Chrome OS kind of sucks based on anything I've read. http://www.techshout.com/software/2009/21/google-releases-chromium-os-open-source-project/	Nov 21 22:55
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schestowitz	"Different" is not enough to be successful	Nov 21 22:55
Aondo	good with competition :)	Nov 21 22:56
trmanco	an opera widget just froze X	Nov 21 23:02
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The joy of codecs: Can't Get The File To Play by Tom Smith http://bit.ly/83TJBJ HT @glynmoody		Nov 21 23:11
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schestowitz	http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/11/php-531-released-for-5-securit.html	Nov 21 23:15
schestowitz	trmanco: In Chrome OS, x freezes widgets!!	Nov 21 23:16
schestowitz	http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=8527	Nov 21 23:16
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schestowitz	http://blog.ibeentoubuntu.com/2009/11/karmic-issues-that-ive-faced.html	Nov 21 23:23
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schestowitz	http://www.ghabuntu.com/2009/11/google-chromeos-not-linux-messiah.html	Nov 21 23:25
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schestowitz	"And Finally I think that Google's Chromium OS might not be able to replace the current Operating Systems but still is a really good option for businessmen, officials and for those who travel a lot and want their data to be safe and accessible from anywhere, what place better than Google :)."	Nov 21 23:26
schestowitz	http://linuxers.org/article/life-chromium-os-good-or-tasteless	Nov 21 23:26
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schestowitz	http://tech.xlab.si/2009/11/chromeos-first-impressions/	Nov 21 23:28
schestowitz	"ChromeOS’s concept is simple; remove absolutely everything from GNU/Linux that is not essential for browsing the internet. That lets ChromeOS boot quickly, in about 10 seconds, a bit more time than of Moblin or the tuned-up version of Fedora by Intel. Google Chrome has still a lot of glitches, but I’m sure they will fix’em all in time for production."	Nov 21 23:28
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schestowitz	Chrome OS ain't for many tech people, but there will sure be some ignorant folks with love "clouds" and "fluffy things" and buy ARM+Chrome	Nov 21 23:29
schestowitz	http://ken.ath.cx/kens_code_pit/2009/11/20/quirks-with-opera/	Nov 21 23:29
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MinceR	it's better than buying x86+winblows, isn't it? :>	Nov 21 23:30
schestowitz	Why not ARM+Ubuntu?	Nov 21 23:30
schestowitz	Or Fedora for that matter	Nov 21 23:30
MinceR	those would be even better	Nov 21 23:30
MinceR	fedora 13 is promising	Nov 21 23:30
MinceR	at least they're planning to allow install to btrfs, apparently	Nov 21 23:31
schestowitz	When I hit CTRL+S I want a HDD-RW, not a phone-mother-ship fn.	Nov 21 23:31
schestowitz	Yes, I saw that about btrfs	Nov 21 23:31
schestowitz	I was gonna paste it here, too	Nov 21 23:31
schestowitz	Has Google renamed some GFS variant "cloud FS" or something yet?	Nov 21 23:32
schestowitz	I bet it's trademarked by someone	Nov 21 23:32
MinceR	haven't heard of such	Nov 21 23:32
schestowitz	How US public perceives nuclean "toys"... http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3556/3456935504_196a422acc.jpg	Nov 21 23:32
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schestowitz	Just seen it in some blogs recently..	Nov 21 23:33
schestowitz	Couldn't help it	Nov 21 23:33
schestowitz	Yay. Nuclear holocaut... with a smirk	Nov 21 23:33
schestowitz	Nuclear weapons are no toy	Nov 21 23:33
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdnaKSlUh0&feature=PlayList&p=8197B8DEF93FC7D9&index=3	Nov 21 23:34
MinceR	scary like clowns?	Nov 21 23:35
schestowitz	I'm not scared of clowns	Nov 21 23:37
schestowitz	kramer is scared of clowns	Nov 21 23:38
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs7O8XHFmz4&feature=PlayList&p=E8EEFC5D0F46BBAE&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=36	Nov 21 23:39
schestowitz	http://thelinuxexperiment.com/guinea-pigs/tyler-b/unstable-not-ready-uninstalling-fedora-12-24-hours-later/ Unstable & Not Ready – Uninstalling Fedora 12 24-Hours Later	Nov 21 23:42
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Unstable & Not Ready - Uninstalling Fedora 12 24-Hours Later \| The Linux Experiment .::. Size~: 51.79 KB	Nov 21 23:42
schestowitz	http://mjg59.livejournal.com/118588.html	Nov 21 23:44
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sebsebseb	schestowitz: http://identi.ca/notice/15279942	Nov 21 23:54
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