IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: December 15th, 2009

-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Kernel Space Adds #Infrared Receiver Support http://lwn.net/Articles/364515/		Dec 15 00:00
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Omar87	schestowitz: Linux is much more than just a kernel. Otherwise, there will be no point to trying to convert ppl to it. :)	Dec 15 00:00
schestowitz	DaemonFC: it's like asking if people with brown hair be parents	Dec 15 00:00
Omar87	no point in trying..	Dec 15 00:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another #GNU Linux -Oriented Holiday #Gift Guide http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/68885.html		Dec 15 00:01
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schestowitz	Omar87: no, Linux is actually just a kernel	Dec 15 00:01
Omar87	schestowitz: Good thing I have him ignored now. :)	Dec 15 00:01
schestowitz	Linus owns the word too	Dec 15 00:01
schestowitz	It's his trademark	Dec 15 00:01
DaemonFC	they'll keep atheists from adopting, but they'll give kids over to "parents" who send them to terrorist training camps abroad	Dec 15 00:01
DaemonFC	so which is really worse? hmmmm	Dec 15 00:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Desktop #GNU #Linux Mature Enough for #Accessibility Needs http://ur1.ca/hv1a		Dec 15 00:02
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schestowitz	DaemonFC: what do you think about Linux?	Dec 15 00:02
DaemonFC	I think it's an operating system kernel started about 18 years ago	Dec 15 00:02
DaemonFC	and that Richard Stallman invented it	Dec 15 00:02
DaemonFC	;)	Dec 15 00:02
trmanco	http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/1153-The-Malware-Problem-and-a-solution.html	Dec 15 00:03
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DaemonFC	they must have invented it if they're trying to name it GNU Linux	Dec 15 00:03
DaemonFC	right? :D	Dec 15 00:03
DaemonFC	or is there a GNU distribution of Linux?	Dec 15 00:04
DaemonFC	that might be it	Dec 15 00:04
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Omar87	schestowitz: actually yeah, you're right. I agree.	Dec 15 00:05
DaemonFC	they take out all those pesky bits and pieces that make sure the system boots and the wifi works	Dec 15 00:05
DaemonFC	nobody needs anything beyond framebuffer graphics anyway	Dec 15 00:05
DaemonFC	get rid of all that too	Dec 15 00:05
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schestowitz	That's not Linux	Dec 15 00:06
DaemonFC	You know that's what scares me the most about their broken kernel generation script	Dec 15 00:06
schestowitz	And it's shared with other kernels	Dec 15 00:06
schestowitz	Like KDE4 is	Dec 15 00:06
schestowitz	KDE is not a Linux thing	Dec 15 00:06
schestowitz	It's a Free desktop	Dec 15 00:06
DaemonFC	what can you plug into the computer that works after you remove hundreds of pieces of firmware?	Dec 15 00:06
schestowitz	Sits on top of BSD also	Dec 15 00:06
schestowitz	Linux is a very good kernel	Dec 15 00:06
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schestowitz	It also fits well with other projects like xserver	Dec 15 00:07
DaemonFC	and who knows how many pieces of software FSF says you can't have	Dec 15 00:07
schestowitz	Some extend Linux to the graphics stack	Dec 15 00:07
schestowitz	Some extend it to the whole OS, including koversation	Dec 15 00:07
schestowitz	But Linus developers don't code konversation	Dec 15 00:07
schestowitz	*Linus	Dec 15 00:07
schestowitz	*>Linux	Dec 15 00:07
DaemonFC	I think it's comical that they're refusing to endorse distributions that work in favor of ones that likely won't and will confuse people more	Dec 15 00:07
schestowitz	Linux is a well of drivers with many very god algorithms for using the hardware	Dec 15 00:08
schestowitz	Red Hat codes lots of it	Dec 15 00:08
schestowitz	Linus wrote about 1% of it	Dec 15 00:08
DaemonFC	It's like removing the radiator, the transmission, the air conditioner compressor, the seat cushioning, and the muddler fro ma car	Dec 15 00:08
DaemonFC	and telling people to drive that car	Dec 15 00:08
DaemonFC	*muffler	Dec 15 00:08
schestowitz	You can call a car by its engine	Dec 15 00:09
schestowitz	Cadillac=Fedora	Dec 15 00:09
DaemonFC	stripping out hundreds of drivers for no reason won't win you very many supporters	Dec 15 00:09
DaemonFC	just more hardliner kooks	Dec 15 00:09
schestowitz	I don't want to remove drivers	Dec 15 00:10
DaemonFC	scream, and when it doesn't work, scream louder is what Stallman and FSF seem to do well	Dec 15 00:10
schestowitz	The companies that sold me my hardware put the drivers there	Dec 15 00:10
DaemonFC	maybe scream isn't the right word, but they do become more insistent and annoying when their plan isn't working	Dec 15 00:10
DaemonFC	schestowitz: I mainly refer to Gnewsense	Dec 15 00:11
DaemonFC	that's what they're behind right now, right?	Dec 15 00:11
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DaemonFC	Gnewsense does a lot to showcase how very little of a Linux desktop can be made to work in such a configuration	Dec 15 00:12
DaemonFC	it shows how deeply dependent Linux is on its firmware	Dec 15 00:13
Omar87	How about "OnionRings"?	Dec 15 00:15
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #APT2 Coming Along Nicely http://juliank.wordpress.com/2009/12/13/apt2-progress-report-for-the-1st-half-of-december/		Dec 15 00:19
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Firefox Wins in #Germany http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/299053,mozillas-firefox--the-big-challenger-in-the-browser-wars.html		Dec 15 00:19
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schestowitz	gnewsense works ok	Dec 15 00:20
schestowitz	Omar87: TheOnion rings a bell!	Dec 15 00:20
Omar87	what?	Dec 15 00:20
schestowitz	Now it got me hungry...	Dec 15 00:21
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Slack Gets Modern Coat of Paint with #KDE4 http://pdg86.wordpress.com/2009/12/13/pimp-my-slack/		Dec 15 00:21
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schestowitz	Sweet, deep dried... onion rings... mmmmmmmm........ junk food!	Dec 15 00:21
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LinuxConsole 1.0.2009 Reviewed http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20091214#feature		Dec 15 00:22
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME Desktop Environment Gets Really Good http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/48972		Dec 15 00:23
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE 4.4 Second Beta Imminent http://steveire.wordpress.com/2009/12/13/community-identity-stability/		Dec 15 00:23
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Omar87	schestowitz: lol :)	Dec 15 00:23
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora 12 Surprises for the Better http://thelinuxblog.net/linux/fedora/fedora-12/		Dec 15 00:24
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neigborlee	gnewsense is a very very niche market..only those with lower power systems will take advantage of it as gamers and anyone else needing even a tinsie tiny amount of power will run for the hills	Dec 15 00:24
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Stream of Good (and New) #GNU #Linux Releases: An Overview http://ur1.ca/hv2s		Dec 15 00:25
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neigborlee	imho, just like any other distro with similarly weak features, they only serve to fracture linux ( more than it already is )	Dec 15 00:25
schestowitz	It's important to have it out there	Dec 15 00:27
schestowitz	At least as a showcase with some users who show it remains possible to run firefox (gnucat) and lots of neat things like 3d desktop and no binaries	Dec 15 00:28
schestowitz	neigborlee: but gnewsense is like a patchset	Dec 15 00:28
schestowitz	They don't fragment anything quite	Dec 15 00:29
neigborlee	well I mean	Dec 15 00:29
schestowitz	They just have a list of changes they make, like OEMs customise WIndows	Dec 15 00:29
neigborlee	how many people do you know, that are confused with linux distro to use..many many	Dec 15 00:29
neigborlee	heck, from time to time im in that camp	Dec 15 00:29
schestowitz	That's the fun of it	Dec 15 00:29
neigborlee	its confusing out there lol	Dec 15 00:29
neigborlee	not really	Dec 15 00:29
schestowitz	Imagine having one car brand and model	Dec 15 00:29
neigborlee	ive wasted far far too much time deciding what to use/whats the best bang for da buck	Dec 15 00:30
neigborlee	time i/'d rather spend on ..important things ;)	Dec 15 00:30
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neigborlee	not that i've never enjoyed the journey so to speak..but man! ;)	Dec 15 00:30
DaemonFC	There's a tough choice already because a lot of distributions do a few things better than everyone else and they all have one or more things where they made a very bad decision	Dec 15 00:31
DaemonFC	so you may find a distribution close to what you want, but never a perfect fit	Dec 15 00:31
neigborlee	DaemonFC: I hate to agree with you, but bingo	Dec 15 00:31
neigborlee	linux rocks and I'll always wish I could use only linux, though when that day is coming i've ZERO clue	Dec 15 00:32
neigborlee	im just too tied to winblows for some games and clearly many apps	Dec 15 00:32
neigborlee	though im trying to whittle that down ;))	Dec 15 00:32
DaemonFC	it's unfortunate because some of them choose t oignore the community and invite forks to happen	Dec 15 00:32
neigborlee	totally	Dec 15 00:32
DaemonFC	then you have even more inconsistency where you could have worked with them	Dec 15 00:33
neigborlee	yup	Dec 15 00:33
neigborlee	all for one...	Dec 15 00:33
neigborlee	all for me ? ;)	Dec 15 00:33
neigborlee	sometimes choice IS good,,but hmmf not necessarily in this case ;)) < or in many other cases>	Dec 15 00:33
DaemonFC	oftentimes a distribution will kind of center around 1, 2, 3.... people that have veto power over everything or at least steer it more than anyone else can hope to	Dec 15 00:34
DaemonFC	it brought the Ubuntu fork, and it's bringing forks of Ubuntu for example	Dec 15 00:34
Omar87	schestowitz: yeah know something? I can pick something that includes freedom in it. Such as.. MyFreedomPodium.. :-)	Dec 15 00:35
DaemonFC	Debian refused to change and now you have Ubuntu where even more control is in the hands of fewer people	Dec 15 00:35
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ArchLinux 2009.8 in Review and #KDE4 Derivative #Chakra http://ur1.ca/hv3e http://ur1.ca/hv3f		Dec 15 00:35
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neigborlee	DaemonFC: in huge part, tha tis exactly why I've struggled SO much over the years in choosing WHat linux distro to run..one does this better, and another this, and another this..its madening and not anyone does it all great..	Dec 15 00:35
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Omar87	schestowitz: or something similar..	Dec 15 00:35
DaemonFC	well, you see what happens when companies control it, even if they have a nice fake front of a committee or whatnot	Dec 15 00:36
neigborlee	maybe that explains why linux has ( or so says the study ) 0.8 market share atm ?	Dec 15 00:36
DaemonFC	corruption	Dec 15 00:36
DaemonFC	one or two people running a distribution have a dictatorship and depend on a bigger project to base on anyway	Dec 15 00:36
DaemonFC	and communities move too slow	Dec 15 00:37
schestowitz	neigborlee: that's dog's bollox :-)	Dec 15 00:37
neigborlee	heh	Dec 15 00:37
schestowitz	Linux gives YOU what YOU want	Dec 15 00:37
neigborlee	no i mean..	Dec 15 00:37
schestowitz	"it was my idea"	Dec 15 00:37
schestowitz	Windows is one size fits 'all'	Dec 15 00:37
schestowitz	It doesn't	Dec 15 00:37
neigborlee	in choosing what distro to run..ive always have a very very rough time	Dec 15 00:37
neigborlee	and thats why..at least FOR ME	Dec 15 00:37
schestowitz	Like... Vista 7 won't be good for old PCs	Dec 15 00:37
neigborlee	for m e	Dec 15 00:37
schestowitz	Too bad, eh?	Dec 15 00:37
neigborlee	of course	Dec 15 00:38
schestowitz	Old PC => well, time to buy a new one	Dec 15 00:38
neigborlee	lately i've struggled what to run on the pc side too..but MUCH less overall than linux	Dec 15 00:38
neigborlee	way less	Dec 15 00:38
schestowitz	So the argument that you can't find a perfect fits is all backwards	Dec 15 00:38
schestowitz	That would be WIndows	Dec 15 00:38
neigborlee	not really	Dec 15 00:38
DaemonFC	7 should run on anything Vista came on	Dec 15 00:38
neigborlee	well	Dec 15 00:38
schestowitz	Vista and Vista 7 are the same	Dec 15 00:38
schestowitz	Just new deskbar	Dec 15 00:38
DaemonFC	I think the last XP stuff was on clearance in 2005	Dec 15 00:38
neigborlee	I can't say..I dont have win7..all I tried was win7RC	Dec 15 00:38
schestowitz	And less UIAC	Dec 15 00:38
schestowitz	UAC	Dec 15 00:38
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] The Software Freedom Law Center #SFLC sues 14 brands for GPL violations.http://bit.ly/7QQ4zJ		Dec 15 00:39
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Distributions for Sub-notebooks Summarised http://ur1.ca/hv3m http://ur1.ca/hv3n		Dec 15 00:39
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neigborlee	rc wasn't half bad at all.BUT its got that damn dev code and its DOG slow	Dec 15 00:39
DaemonFC	so we might as well say that if you bought a new PC wit hXP in 2005, that PC would be almost 5 years old now anyway	Dec 15 00:39
neigborlee	however..add to confusion that a app I depend on, atm,,,won t even run in win7	Dec 15 00:39
DaemonFC	five years is about how long you should figure on keeping something	Dec 15 00:40
neigborlee	so now we come into a whole new problem ;)	Dec 15 00:40
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Has Solid Grounding, Mint Makes It Easier http://ur1.ca/hv3r http://ur1.ca/hv3t		Dec 15 00:40
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DaemonFC	neigborlee: Did you try compatibility mode?	Dec 15 00:40
neigborlee	of course	Dec 15 00:40
neigborlee	I tried everything	Dec 15 00:40
DaemonFC	Run as Administrator in the compatibility tab?	Dec 15 00:40
neigborlee	it wont even let win7 install it ;)	Dec 15 00:40
DaemonFC	hmmm	Dec 15 00:40
neigborlee	I never got that far LOL	Dec 15 00:40
DaemonFC	16-bit installer application?	Dec 15 00:40
neigborlee	msaccess 97	Dec 15 00:40
DaemonFC	that's probably what happened	Dec 15 00:41
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Arduino Extends to Another Free Platform http://hackaday.com/2009/12/13/arduino-development-on-opensolaris/		Dec 15 00:41
neigborlee	and before you get excited, yes I knwo its a old'ish app	Dec 15 00:41
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neigborlee	but I need it ;)	Dec 15 00:41
DaemonFC	a lot of programs back then had 16-bit installers	Dec 15 00:41
neigborlee	could be	Dec 15 00:41
DaemonFC	64-bit Windows won't run 16-bit Windows EXEs	Dec 15 00:41
neigborlee	hm	Dec 15 00:41
DaemonFC	only 32-bit and 64-bit EXEs will run	Dec 15 00:41
neigborlee	maybe that was the problem..I do have a 32bit win7 though....	Dec 15 00:42
DaemonFC	the 32-bit version of Vista or 7 will run Win16 binaries	Dec 15 00:42
neigborlee	yup	Dec 15 00:42
neigborlee	I mean gotcha	Dec 15 00:42
DaemonFC	I hit that problem with my old LucasArts games, 16-bit installer	Dec 15 00:42
neigborlee	lol	Dec 15 00:42
DaemonFC	the games are 32-bit though	Dec 15 00:42
neigborlee	ahhhhh	Dec 15 00:42
DaemonFC	just can't install them	Dec 15 00:42
neigborlee	weird ;)	Dec 15 00:42
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MySQL #Database Receives Promises from #Oracle http://ur1.ca/hv3y http://ur1.ca/hv43 http://ur1.ca/hv45		Dec 15 00:43
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neigborlee	DaemonFC: I also have a OLD lucas arts game....starwars podracer ;)	Dec 15 00:43
DaemonFC	yeah, ended up following some guide and using 7zip to unpack the files I needed and then adding registry keys for the game by hand	Dec 15 00:43
DaemonFC	:P	Dec 15 00:43
neigborlee	that games rocks :)	Dec 15 00:43
DaemonFC	It was tacky, but the games work now	Dec 15 00:43
neigborlee	heh	Dec 15 00:43
DaemonFC	hope I never have to do it again :P	Dec 15 00:44
neigborlee	I did like win7 overall I must admit..cleaner,,faster...though I hate!! M$ for removing quick launch!!!	Dec 15 00:44
neigborlee	what the hell is wrong with them ;)	Dec 15 00:44
DaemonFC	Well, Pin to Taskbar is pretty much the same thing	Dec 15 00:44
neigborlee	noipe	Dec 15 00:44
neigborlee	I dont want to see the darn thing, I like a clean desktoip	Dec 15 00:45
neigborlee	sorry im nit picky	Dec 15 00:45
neigborlee	:(	Dec 15 00:45
neigborlee	for some things	Dec 15 00:45
DaemonFC	I just sorted the persistent taskbar shortcuts the same way I usually lay out quick launch	Dec 15 00:45
neigborlee	but yes I know what they were trying to do	Dec 15 00:45
DaemonFC	not really a lot to get used to	Dec 15 00:45
neigborlee	sorta kinda yes	Dec 15 00:45
neigborlee	you CAN get quick launch back..but what you have to do is nuts	Dec 15 00:46
neigborlee	unless its easier in rtm I dont know	Dec 15 00:46
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just stumbled upon Canonical Voices http://bit.ly/8CoGiR - like Planet Ubuntu http://bit.ly/16iXCS for only Canonical ppl #fb		Dec 15 00:50
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DaemonFC	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb2BSuvScKo&feature=related	Dec 15 00:51
DaemonFC	neigborlee: I have RTM, it's really not any different than the RC, ad far as user interface	Dec 15 00:51
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BSD 's Potential Not Yet Realised by the World http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=1123		Dec 15 00:53
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Government Fails at Openness, Again http://www.boingboing.net/2009/12/12/fdic-sends-a-big-f-u.html		Dec 15 00:54
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Freedom and the Fogdom: Debate Revisited http://www.proli.net/2009/12/13/software-freedom/ http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=467 #fogcomputing		Dec 15 00:55
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DaemonFC	FDIC is broke and not trying to call attention to that	Dec 15 00:56
neigborlee	DaemonFC: so in rtm, its still 'tricky' to create quick launch ?	Dec 15 00:57
neigborlee	if so, thats really a shame	Dec 15 00:57
neigborlee	one of my friends is going to mac, for similar reasons	Dec 15 00:58
DaemonFC	I never had a problem with it in RC either	Dec 15 00:58
neigborlee	and she's almost got me convinced	Dec 15 00:58
neigborlee	no I mean...it should be a simple, right click affair	Dec 15 00:58
DaemonFC	Mac is just horse trading for different problems	Dec 15 00:58
neigborlee	not having to paste in some arcane command	Dec 15 00:58
neigborlee	DaemonFC: there is that..which is why im not flocking to it atm LOL	Dec 15 00:58
neigborlee	well she's going to continue using XP for games etcetera,,but she'll be using macosX for lappie	Dec 15 00:59
neigborlee	I think her goal is to get a macbook pro	Dec 15 00:59
DaemonFC	yeah, you can remove XP from your old PC and install it in Boot Camp on your Mac	Dec 15 00:59
DaemonFC	and reactivate it	Dec 15 01:00
DaemonFC	provided you have the full version (not OEM)	Dec 15 01:00
neigborlee	yeah	Dec 15 01:00
neigborlee	thats another reason ;)	Dec 15 01:00
DaemonFC	I'd just reuse an old copy of XP myself, it's not like you're buying the Mac to primarily use Windows anyway	Dec 15 01:01
neigborlee	yup	Dec 15 01:01
DaemonFC	Just get a big hard disk	Dec 15 01:01
DaemonFC	that way you can throw a couple hundred gigs to Windows and never mess with it again	Dec 15 01:02
DaemonFC	My system isn't real Hackintosh friendly	Dec 15 01:02
DaemonFC	I'd have to use a modified kernel to get it to work on my AMD motherboard and CPU	Dec 15 01:03
DaemonFC	I'm not to keen on the idea of having to mess with an in-place operating system once I've got it just the way I like it	Dec 15 01:03
DaemonFC	and with the Hackintosh deal, you never know when you may have to reformat cause of some "major" OS upgrade	Dec 15 01:04
DaemonFC	And if you think I'm paying highway robbery for what amounts to a PC anyway, think again :D	Dec 15 01:04
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Cold War Involves #Microsoft #Windows Zombies http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/14/cyberwarfare_talks/		Dec 15 01:05
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DaemonFC	\I was looking at Macs myself a while back and it would have taken $2,000 to buy an iMac that's as capable at my $1,000 PC	Dec 15 01:05
neigborlee	OUCH	Dec 15 01:09
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sankarshan: RT @arstechnica: SFLC launches GPL enforcement smackdown on 14 gadget makers - http://arst.ch/b2s		Dec 15 01:15
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trmanco	I know a way to fix this	Dec 15 01:21
trmanco	the moved permanently thing is a bug	Dec 15 01:21
trmanco	I can code it in a better way if I were in the mood for it	Dec 15 01:21
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Time to End #Microsoft ’s Digital Occupation of #Spain http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/14/spain-boiler-room-msft/		Dec 15 01:51
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Asus to spin off mobo and graphics card division into #Pegatron http://ur1.ca/hv8r		Dec 15 02:06
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sunil_abraham @jamie_love It looks as though the EU will cave in and let Oracle acquire MySQL with these conditions http://bit.ly/4I9nGy		Dec 15 02:18
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Violates the #GNU #GPL for Third Time in 2009 http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/14/microsoft-cn-violates-gnu-gpl/		Dec 15 02:20
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @webmink: Never forget copyright is about monopoly and freedom is a hack. It will be hard&uncertain until we reform for the digital age		Dec 15 02:22
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willimm	If I were you, I would let Oracle and Sun merge toghether.	Dec 15 02:29
willimm	I mean if I was the EU...	Dec 15 02:29
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] I wish someone would fix the gnome metapackage on !Debian already, someone made it require tomboy instead of tomboy or gnote !monofree		Dec 15 02:36
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] I can't upgrade the gnome metapackage until thats fixed !debian !monofree		Dec 15 02:36
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Now they started harassing ordinary citizens too? http://tinyurl.com/y8kgck5 #piracy #microsoft #fail		Dec 15 02:41
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schestowitz	hey, willimm. wb	Dec 15 02:51
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Push-Polling Against the “G” in #GNOME http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/14/push-polling-vs-gnu/ #mono		Dec 15 02:55
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] someone mysteriously subscribed me to ILUG-Delhi mailing list :( . I got the first email from linuxlingam . hehehe lawgon shouts @ them :P		Dec 15 02:56
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] How will they name GNOME when its out of GNU project? MNOME :D hehehe #rant		Dec 15 03:11
Ender2070	nice new article	Dec 15 03:14
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Pushed emacs-spice-mode in bodhi for Fedora electronics lab !fedora		Dec 15 03:21
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DaemonFC	I hate those Onstar commercials	Dec 15 03:29
DaemonFC	this bitch's car breaks down and she hits the button and says "Yeah, I'm 10.2 miles past route 4 and I need some help" and the next thing you see are fire and rescue, the police, and an ambulance and some paramedics out there just because there's smoke coming out of her radiator	Dec 15 03:29
DaemonFC	I'd be a very concerned quasi-taxpayer if this town sent out all that cause some idiot let their coolant run out and their engine overheated	Dec 15 03:30
DaemonFC	for products like this, they have to depict stupid people because that's their market I guess	Dec 15 03:30
Ender2070	its a commercial	Dec 15 03:30
DaemonFC	still makes me want to kill soccer moms	Dec 15 03:31
DaemonFC	course I already wanted death to all of them	Dec 15 03:31
Ender2070	who don't you want to kill	Dec 15 03:31
Ender2070	honestly	Dec 15 03:31
DaemonFC	hmmmmm, well	Dec 15 03:31
Ender2070	I imagine its a shorter list	Dec 15 03:31
DaemonFC	there might be 10% of the population left if everyone I wanted all of them to die actually dropped dead	Dec 15 03:32
DaemonFC	you know?	Dec 15 03:32
Ender2070	its silly too	Dec 15 03:32
Ender2070	soccer moms are voting right wing just like you too	Dec 15 03:32
Ender2070	you'll end up letting the evil communist liberals in	Dec 15 03:32
DaemonFC	it's not all idealogical, there's just a huge crossover between religion, the social breakdown, and stupid fucks	Dec 15 03:33
DaemonFC	a lot of overlap I mean	Dec 15 03:33
Ender2070	yeah but soccer moms are usually bible thumpers	Dec 15 03:33
Ender2070	bible thumpers usually vote republican	Dec 15 03:33
DaemonFC	well, then it's a twofer I suppose	Dec 15 03:33
DaemonFC	all the more incentive to wish them a shitty painful death	Dec 15 03:33
DaemonFC	ohhh, threefer even	Dec 15 03:34
DaemonFC	we're going into bonus rounds	Dec 15 03:34
Ender2070	lol	Dec 15 03:34
Ender2070	I don't suggest killing anyone	Dec 15 03:34
Ender2070	I only suggest removing obvious safety warnings that people should be aware of anyways	Dec 15 03:34
DaemonFC	Ender2070: Wishing that they would all drop dead isn't illegal, doing it myself would be	Dec 15 03:34
DaemonFC	I can keep my fingers crossed that micro-meteorites enter Earth's atmosphere, thousands of them, all on a trajectory that has them hit soccer moms	Dec 15 03:35
Ender2070	lol	Dec 15 03:35
DaemonFC	nothing illegal about that at all	Dec 15 03:35
Ender2070	you're in a publicly logged irc channel, someone might grant your wish	Dec 15 03:35
DaemonFC	it would go far towards restoring my faith in a just god	Dec 15 03:36
Ender2070	not the meteorite thing	Dec 15 03:36
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 15 03:36
Ender2070	you're kinda crazy, lol	Dec 15 03:36
DaemonFC	yeah, but I'm not dangerous beyond the fact that I vote I suppose	Dec 15 03:37
DaemonFC	so society ignores my delusional ranting largely	Dec 15 03:37
Ender2070	if i was less bored you wouldn't have an audience right now	Dec 15 03:38
DaemonFC	even voting doesn't really empower you when there's no substantial differences between candidates	Dec 15 03:38
DaemonFC	and when you have an electoral college that further disempowers the individual	Dec 15 03:38
DaemonFC	by the time you get to the minor candidates, they're so far out of touch, they're on a different planet	Dec 15 03:39
DaemonFC	and they have no broad appeal	Dec 15 03:39
DaemonFC	Ross Perot was the only independent in my lifetime that ever got close and he was basically a Republican anyway	Dec 15 03:40
DaemonFC	he actually lost the Republicans the 1992 and 1996 elections and made Clinton the winner	Dec 15 03:40
DaemonFC	now I might vote for a Perot-like character for one reason alone, he would never have signed NAFTA	Dec 15 03:41
DaemonFC	that alone might have gotten my vote if I was old enough back then	Dec 15 03:41
DaemonFC	I'm getting awfully close to saying that we need to find some way to have a recall on Obama	Dec 15 03:42
DaemonFC	Obama has not lived up to any of his important campaign promises. What he has done is enact a liberal agenda of more special rights for minorities, furthered the Iraq and Afghanistan "wars", appointed RIAA and MPAA lobbyists to the DOJ	Dec 15 03:44
DaemonFC	the list goes on and on	Dec 15 03:44
DaemonFC	the only thing he hasn't managed to do is get amnesty for illegal aliens, because there's a smidgen of sanity left in Congress and enough voters that would be enraged at him for it	Dec 15 03:45
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DaemonFC	we needed an FDR, we got another Jimmy Carter instead	Dec 15 03:46
DaemonFC	well, he might stop short of that level of incompetence	Dec 15 03:47
DaemonFC	when he rolls out a middle eat peace plan that involves giving all of Israel away, he will have	Dec 15 03:48
DaemonFC	*east	Dec 15 03:48
DaemonFC	he's already working on doubling the cost of gas, heating oil, and electricity	Dec 15 03:49
DaemonFC	How many poor people can we sacrifice to starvation and frostbite?	Dec 15 03:50
DaemonFC	A: All of them. What the hell?	Dec 15 03:50
DaemonFC	over the shaky allegation that climate change is occurring	Dec 15 03:51
DaemonFC	just kill all the poor people	Dec 15 03:51
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DaemonFC	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/GHG_per_capita_2000.svg	Dec 15 03:55
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DaemonFC	there you see which countries release the most carbon dioxide per capita	Dec 15 03:55
DaemonFC	and you see that Australia and Canada actually release more of it per capita than the US	Dec 15 03:56
Ender2070	co2 isn't a very good way to tell global warming	Dec 15 03:56
Ender2070	because trees give off co2	Dec 15 03:56
Ender2070	canada is mostly trees	Dec 15 03:56
DaemonFC	a lot of countries in green are jsut refusing to release their stats because htere's a triple digit percentage increase every decade for them	Dec 15 03:56
DaemonFC	and they don't want to admit that they pollute worse than anyone else	Dec 15 03:57
Ender2070	its funny to see a green china	Dec 15 03:57
Ender2070	considering they beat the US in polution recently	Dec 15 03:57
DaemonFC	Ender2070: Cause they'll either lie or not tell you anything	Dec 15 03:57
DaemonFC	you know they've faked their reports	Dec 15 03:57
DaemonFC	you can't have that many factories going and not release a bunch more than they're saying they do	Dec 15 03:58
Ender2070	see those little islands above canada	Dec 15 03:58
DaemonFC	so it's obvious that China is cooking their stats	Dec 15 03:58
Ender2070	they have no people on them	Dec 15 03:59
DaemonFC	Ender2070: They're coloring the countries averaged output	Dec 15 03:59
DaemonFC	There's not that many people in South Dakota either and it's the same color as the rest of the US	Dec 15 03:59
Ender2070	yeah but they say its based on land	Dec 15 03:59
Ender2070	lol	Dec 15 03:59
Ender2070	we're probably that dark because of right wing alberta destroying the air harvesting oil	Dec 15 04:00
DaemonFC	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/GHG_by_country_2000.svg	Dec 15 04:00
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DaemonFC	this one says it includes land use change	Dec 15 04:00
DaemonFC	so yeah, there's red China	Dec 15 04:00
DaemonFC	recognize it anywhere :)	Dec 15 04:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Reached at egmore station, cool weather in chennai, just after a rain .		Dec 15 04:01
Ender2070	just as red as communism	Dec 15 04:01
DaemonFC	OK, so the US is in fact the reddest on the map if you look at it this way, but China has pretty much tied us	Dec 15 04:01
DaemonFC	this was in 2000 as well	Dec 15 04:02
Ender2070	yeah	Dec 15 04:02
Ender2070	china surpassed the us	Dec 15 04:02
DaemonFC	so they're definitely ahead of us in CO2 output by now	Dec 15 04:02
Ender2070	since everything got shipped off there	Dec 15 04:02
DaemonFC	I'd also think that Russia has gotten better	Dec 15 04:02
Ender2070	they dont care about the environment, just cheap cheap manufacturing	Dec 15 04:02
DaemonFC	they're probably in yellow by now	Dec 15 04:02
Ender2070	Russia is nice	Dec 15 04:02
DaemonFC	most of the EU has not improved	Dec 15 04:02
Ender2070	i wouldnt mind going there	Dec 15 04:02
DaemonFC	the UK is really the only reason the EU's stats have gone down	Dec 15 04:03
Ender2070	you would like Russia too, its all white people	Dec 15 04:03
DaemonFC	sign me up	Dec 15 04:03
Ender2070	LOL	Dec 15 04:03
DaemonFC	no, I don't mind black people or anyone else for that matter	Dec 15 04:03
DaemonFC	what I do not like is how most of them here wear their pants halfway pulled down	Dec 15 04:04
DaemonFC	and use slang	Dec 15 04:04
DaemonFC	heavily	Dec 15 04:04
DaemonFC	to where it's not even English anymore	Dec 15 04:04
DaemonFC	race is a separate thing to uneducated, ignorant, and trashy	Dec 15 04:04
DaemonFC	there's plenty of uneducated, ignorant, and trashy white people	Dec 15 04:05
DaemonFC	but I don't want to be around them either	Dec 15 04:05
Ender2070	your mixing culture and race	Dec 15 04:05
DaemonFC	well, I call them Wiggers	Dec 15 04:05
DaemonFC	cause it's obvious what they're trying to imitate	Dec 15 04:05
Ender2070	i know westernized people of indian decent who are so racist against indian people	Dec 15 04:05
Ender2070	not native americans	Dec 15 04:06
DaemonFC	I'm not prejudiced against any race, I'm prejudiced against the way people act and carry themselves when it is downright offensive	Dec 15 04:06
DaemonFC	not just offensive in the general meaning of the word, but offensive to intelligence	Dec 15 04:06
DaemonFC	Crimes Against Intelligence is what they should call that	Dec 15 04:07
DaemonFC	to the point where you can't even understand them when they speak to you	Dec 15 04:07
DaemonFC	ignorance is a choice	Dec 15 04:07
Ender2070	i think i was trying to point out that people act certain ways due to culture, not skin colour	Dec 15 04:07
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Ender2070	the way people are raised effects their attitudes	Dec 15 04:08
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DaemonFC	Ender2070: But what I guess I mean is, why is there such a high proportion of ignorant black people to intelligent black people in the United States?	Dec 15 04:09
DaemonFC	I'd give them a 50/50 between idiots and intelligent people	Dec 15 04:09
DaemonFC	it's not race, I never believed race was the cause	Dec 15 04:09
Ender2070	its a 50/50 split with everyone	Dec 15 04:10
DaemonFC	cause it only happens HERE	Dec 15 04:10
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DaemonFC	you need to get them away of that culture of ignorance	Dec 15 04:10
DaemonFC	find a way to get them to go to school	Dec 15 04:10
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DaemonFC	hell, I don't know	Dec 15 04:10
Ender2070	peer pressure probably plays a role too	Dec 15 04:11
DaemonFC	one thing is all the welfare creating a cycle of poverty	Dec 15 04:11
DaemonFC	programs that just pay out whether you're trying to do better or not	Dec 15 04:11
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Reached at chennai . Its raining... I liked chennai weather for first time..		Dec 15 04:12
DaemonFC	they should say "We'll give you food stamps but you have to be in some kind of training program for a better job"	Dec 15 04:12
Ender2070	cycles like that exist everywhere though	Dec 15 04:12
DaemonFC	there should be an action plan to get people off of food stamps	Dec 15 04:12
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DaemonFC	it's a safety net, shouldn't have ever turned into a lifetime thing that pays out every month	Dec 15 04:13
Ender2070	actually, Canada does this sort of	Dec 15 04:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sankarshan: http://ow.ly/Mbcp in case u didnot already know.16thDec09 1900, TERI-SRC, Bangalore.Mozilla Drumbeat OpenWeb Talks #mozilla		Dec 15 04:13
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Ender2070	theres a program for laid of people called "Second Career" and it will put people through college if they can't get jobs	Dec 15 04:13
Ender2070	they'll cover up to a 2 year course	Dec 15 04:13
Ender2070	and 28k of funding for each year	Dec 15 04:14
DaemonFC	Ender2070: technically there's an ineligibility period of 6 months once you've been on food stamps for 12 month, but it doesn't stop someone else in the house from getting them and counting you as part of the household	Dec 15 04:14
DaemonFC	so that's how they stay on them forever	Dec 15 04:14
DaemonFC	whenever someone hits the time out, someone else gets them in their name	Dec 15 04:14
Ender2070	we dont have food stamps	Dec 15 04:14
Ender2070	at least that im aware of	Dec 15 04:14
DaemonFC	Ender2070: It's rife with fraud	Dec 15 04:15
Ender2070	we have unemployment insurance	Dec 15 04:15
DaemonFC	like say I had some kids, and I was getting $450 a month in stamps, right?	Dec 15 04:15
Ender2070	k	Dec 15 04:15
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DaemonFC	I walk up to you and say "Get yourself $200 of groceries and I'll slide my card, and you give me $100 cash"	Dec 15 04:15
DaemonFC	then I go buy booze, cigarettes, or drugs, off taxpayer money	Dec 15 04:16
DaemonFC	and my kids still have nothing to eat	Dec 15 04:16
DaemonFC	happens all the time	Dec 15 04:16
Ender2070	ahh	Dec 15 04:16
DaemonFC	seen it so many times I lost count	Dec 15 04:16
Ender2070	thats hard to prevent	Dec 15 04:17
DaemonFC	so the welfare costs taxpayer money, the kids it's meant to help get to starve, and a drug dealer gets more business	Dec 15 04:17
DaemonFC	cool huh?	Dec 15 04:17
Ender2070	a strange system	Dec 15 04:18
DaemonFC	and there's a guy I knew back when I was a teenager on Medicaid, he was like 15 at the time, right?	Dec 15 04:18
Ender2070	we have welfare too	Dec 15 04:18
DaemonFC	sleeping around, getting diseases	Dec 15 04:18
Ender2070	but when you're on it, someone comes to your house to check up	Dec 15 04:18
DaemonFC	Medicaid would pay to patch him up every time	Dec 15 04:18
DaemonFC	not even allowed to ask who he got it from	Dec 15 04:18
Ender2070	well im from Canada, so you know my stance on free health care	Dec 15 04:19
DaemonFC	Ender2070: There's caseworkers for food stamps, but all they do is "pat you down" every 6 months to make sure that on the surface, it looks like you still qualify for them	Dec 15 04:19
DaemonFC	all you have to do is be good enough to fudge the forms	Dec 15 04:19
Ender2070	they should do drug testing :)	Dec 15 04:19
DaemonFC	and you can get away with anything	Dec 15 04:19
DaemonFC	they don't	Dec 15 04:20
Ender2070	too much work	Dec 15 04:20
Ender2070	it would cost more money	Dec 15 04:20
DaemonFC	Ender2070: The only thing that can lose you your food stamps (forever) for drugs, is if the cops find them on you somehow or in your car or house	Dec 15 04:20
DaemonFC	and you get convicted	Dec 15 04:20
Ender2070	ahhh	Dec 15 04:21
DaemonFC	it also loses you eligibility for Section 8 subsidized housing forever too	Dec 15 04:21
DaemonFC	but everyone that lives out there has drugs	Dec 15 04:21
DaemonFC	they do drugs 363 days out of the year and make sure not to have them during the two inspections every 6 months	Dec 15 04:21
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 15 04:21
Ender2070	i think i remember you mentioning you used drugs, so i wouldn't be on such a high horse	Dec 15 04:21
DaemonFC	I have before	Dec 15 04:22
DaemonFC	they wouldn't find anything here or in a drug test now	Dec 15 04:22
DaemonFC	my body tends to rid itself of THC very quickly	Dec 15 04:22
DaemonFC	I'll pass a NIDA 5 urine test 6 days after smoking an entire big joint	Dec 15 04:23
neigborlee	drugs are a total waste of money, and degrade moral fiber of society	Dec 15 04:23
neigborlee	trust me I know from experience,,though its not MY experienc.e...EVERYONE else around me.	Dec 15 04:23
DaemonFC	neigborlee: I quite smoking it when I got some that was laced with something	Dec 15 04:23
Ender2070	neigborlee - i agree	Dec 15 04:23
neigborlee	MJ for mediciina purposs im TOTALLY on board with	Dec 15 04:23
DaemonFC	that was a bad trip	Dec 15 04:23
neigborlee	anything else.fuck it	Dec 15 04:23
neigborlee	fook it ;0-0	Dec 15 04:24
DaemonFC	could have been LSD or formaldehyde	Dec 15 04:24
DaemonFC	from the symptoms it produced	Dec 15 04:24
neigborlee	DaemonFC: ouch ,,sounds horrid and good fo ryou ;)	Dec 15 04:24
Ender2070	if it was LSD you would've had fun, perhaps formaldehyde was in it	Dec 15 04:24
neigborlee	I think its a much deeper problem though, than just the 'drugs' per se..well thats obvious but hey	Dec 15 04:25
DaemonFC	neigborlee: Try to imagine yourself light headed, the room is orbiting YOU, you're throwing up every once in a while, but falling over every time you try to walk because the room is turning left and right and even upside down	Dec 15 04:25
DaemonFC	and your heart is beating about 120 bpm	Dec 15 04:25
neigborlee	poverity,lack of education..peer pressure..it ALL combines to hook people on drugs..its an escape	Dec 15 04:25
DaemonFC	pot doesn't do that	Dec 15 04:25
DaemonFC	so I know it had something in it	Dec 15 04:25
neigborlee	an escape &/or kewl cause others do it	Dec 15 04:26
neigborlee	pot doesn't do what	Dec 15 04:26
DaemonFC	makes me nauseated every time I recall that	Dec 15 04:26
DaemonFC	pot is really nothing to write home about	Dec 15 04:26
DaemonFC	it'll get you high, but it won't make you feel like THAT by itself	Dec 15 04:27
neigborlee	well comapred to the other nasty ones, that much is likely true ;)	Dec 15 04:27
neigborlee	at least chemically speaking ;)	Dec 15 04:27
DaemonFC	I've driven stoned before, lol	Dec 15 04:27
DaemonFC	at night	Dec 15 04:27
neigborlee	omg I definitely have	Dec 15 04:27
neigborlee	YEARS and YEARS ago	Dec 15 04:27
neigborlee	like in 1975'ish	Dec 15 04:28
DaemonFC	and my eyes were dilated and every time a car came towards me with its lights on, I'd go blind for about 5-6 seconds	Dec 15 04:28
DaemonFC	lol	Dec 15 04:28
DaemonFC	and I had to drive about 30 miles down a state highway like that	Dec 15 04:28
DaemonFC	my mouth was incredibly dry, and I had a 2 liter of diet mountain dew on the passenger floor	Dec 15 04:28
neigborlee	well im sure most of us have done something stupid, for which its a near miracle we made it to the future ;)	Dec 15 04:28
DaemonFC	AND a gallon of antifreeze sitting next to it	Dec 15 04:28
DaemonFC	and I stopped myself from drinking the antifreeze just in time	Dec 15 04:29
neigborlee	eek	Dec 15 04:29
Ender2070	lol	Dec 15 04:29
Ender2070	it would probably do less harm than mountain dew	Dec 15 04:29
DaemonFC	sometimes I wonder how I've been spared this massive criminal record	Dec 15 04:29
DaemonFC	I've driven incredibly drunk before too	Dec 15 04:30
DaemonFC	followed a police officer about 10 miles or so	Dec 15 04:30
Ender2070	you know they use yellow #5 in mountain dew? its banned in Canada	Dec 15 04:30
Ender2070	yellow#5 makes you sterile	Dec 15 04:30
DaemonFC	wondering to myself how far behind him I was	Dec 15 04:30
DaemonFC	hmmm	Dec 15 04:30
neigborlee	Ender2070: well , given that we dont have national 'health' care, who would be surprised we are to get sick and then die from lack of support ? ;)	Dec 15 04:31
DaemonFC	I sneaked my underage boyfriend into the bar one night	Dec 15 04:31
neigborlee	Ender2070: conspiracy theoriests are clapping loudly atm < hear the roar ? > ;)	Dec 15 04:31
DaemonFC	took them four hours to card him	Dec 15 04:31
DaemonFC	like a dozen drinks later	Dec 15 04:31
neigborlee	lol	Dec 15 04:31
Ender2070	I follow conspiracy theories	Dec 15 04:32
DaemonFC	they told me "Get the FUCK out of here before the excise cops see this!!!"	Dec 15 04:32
Ender2070	I don't accept all of them	Dec 15 04:32
Ender2070	i keep an open mind though	Dec 15 04:32
neigborlee	yup one has to these days	Dec 15 04:32
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DaemonFC	so I was back at the same bar about a year later on New Year's, and everyone I was with was....NOT the designated driver	Dec 15 04:32
Ender2070	just like I say, they are "theories"	Dec 15 04:32
DaemonFC	so we backed up on our way out and ran into a Cadillac	Dec 15 04:32
DaemonFC	set off their car alarm	Dec 15 04:32
Ender2070	a lot of stuff points towards a one world government, and its not insane to think people want that	Dec 15 04:33
DaemonFC	all of us were cursing and finally we decided to jsut get the hell out of there	Dec 15 04:33
Ender2070	I used to want it myself	Dec 15 04:33
Ender2070	I had aspirations of world domination	Dec 15 04:33
Ender2070	Realisticly, im likely to get killed trying	Dec 15 04:34
Ender2070	survival > world domination	Dec 15 04:34
neigborlee	Ender2070: a one world government is not a bad thing, if we assume that ONE government is pacifistic and peaceful ;)	Dec 15 04:34
Ender2070	not everyone would want it	Dec 15 04:35
DaemonFC	neigborlee: If there's a one world government, who is there to declare war on?	Dec 15 04:35
neigborlee	clearly	Dec 15 04:35
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 15 04:35
Ender2070	so the only way to achieve this goal is tyranny	Dec 15 04:35
Ender2070	you declare war on those who disagree =)	Dec 15 04:35
Ender2070	rebels, etc	Dec 15 04:35
DaemonFC	every government on Earth has already done that Ender2070	Dec 15 04:35
DaemonFC	on their own civilians	Dec 15 04:35
Ender2070	my goals were altruistic too	Dec 15 04:36
Ender2070	I would forcibly take all of microsofts money, and use it to buy everyone a linux computer	Dec 15 04:37
DaemonFC	if there was one government, then all the military expenses in the world are gone too	Dec 15 04:37
Ender2070	get everyone an internet connection	Dec 15 04:37
neigborlee	hehe	Dec 15 04:37
Ender2070	then I had an idea for "food skyscrapers"	Dec 15 04:37
DaemonFC	but then there would also really be world police	Dec 15 04:37
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 15 04:37
Ender2070	special buildings that were designed to make better use of land	Dec 15 04:37
Omar87_	schestowitz: hmm, interesting http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-12-15-002-35-OS-SW	Dec 15 04:38
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DaemonFC	Ender2070: Right now, there's a general standing agreement called NATO which in layman's terms is "Let's beat up that guy and steal his wallet"	Dec 15 04:38
Ender2070	it would keep bugs out, we can make light now that simulates the suns light	Dec 15 04:38
DaemonFC	and I hate to break it to you, but Canada helps that out a lot	Dec 15 04:38
Ender2070	NATO isn't what you're thinking of	Dec 15 04:38
Ender2070	thats part of protecting north america against aircraft	Dec 15 04:38
Ender2070	or ICBM's	Dec 15 04:39
DaemonFC	Coalition of the Drilling	Dec 15 04:39
DaemonFC	same thing	Dec 15 04:39
Ender2070	if you guys let us advance our airplane project, we would've had planes that would've prevented 9/11	Dec 15 04:39
Ender2070	the avro arrow owned, and advanced models would've owned even more	Dec 15 04:40
Ender2070	it took 2hrs for norad to scramble its own jets	Dec 15 04:40
DaemonFC	when they did get fighters in pursuit, they were diverted from a training mission	Dec 15 04:42
DaemonFC	and unarmed	Dec 15 04:42
Ender2070	yeah	Dec 15 04:43
Ender2070	from the west coast too	Dec 15 04:44
DaemonFC	inexcusable, with all the fighters in all the bases in the United States, we managed to send two unarmed F-16s that were already in the air?	Dec 15 04:44
DaemonFC	that's pitiful	Dec 15 04:44
DaemonFC	what if Russia invaded?	Dec 15 04:44
DaemonFC	I mean shit	Dec 15 04:44
Ender2070	lol	Dec 15 04:44
Ender2070	funny story:	Dec 15 04:44
Ender2070	I was actually a red alert 2 addict when it happened, my first thought when I heard about the attack was "RUSSIANS!"	Dec 15 04:45
DaemonFC	"Well, they conquered us, but we managed to get two planes in the air while it was going on"	Dec 15 04:45
DaemonFC	Now the Russians must be pissed, knowing the Soviet Union could have invaded that easily	Dec 15 04:45
Ender2070	you realize the terrorists probably picked 9/11 cause there was training they found out was going on	Dec 15 04:46
DaemonFC	how would they find that out?	Dec 15 04:46
DaemonFC	isn't stuff like that classified?	Dec 15 04:46
Ender2070	yeah but they probably have people on the inside	Dec 15 04:46
Ender2070	defectors	Dec 15 04:46
Ender2070	the other possibility is that the government planned the training to let the terrorists get away with it	Dec 15 04:47
DaemonFC	could be coincidence though	Dec 15 04:47
DaemonFC	there's always a lot of training missions going on	Dec 15 04:47
Ender2070	to start global wars	Dec 15 04:47
DaemonFC	I don't think our response plan was meant for something as small as 9/11	Dec 15 04:47
Ender2070	okams razor suggests the first idea	Dec 15 04:48
DaemonFC	Think about it, you'd have a lot of time to respond to a major invasion	Dec 15 04:48
Ender2070	what if it was a nuke	Dec 15 04:48
DaemonFC	why plan for a hijacked 747?	Dec 15 04:48
DaemonFC	big militaries are kind of obsolete anyway	Dec 15 04:48
DaemonFC	What would a country like Russia do to attack us (without nukes)?	Dec 15 04:49
Ender2070	not for actual wars	Dec 15 04:49
Ender2070	umm	Dec 15 04:49
DaemonFC	A flotilla of aircraft carriers?	Dec 15 04:49
Ender2070	giant blimbs that drop bombs	Dec 15 04:49
Ender2070	apocalypse tanks	Dec 15 04:49
DaemonFC	sailing across the ocean?	Dec 15 04:49
Ender2070	surges of infantry	Dec 15 04:49
Ender2070	v3 rockets	Dec 15 04:49
Ender2070	tesla tanks	Dec 15 04:50
DaemonFC	nukes make a conventional war impossible	Dec 15 04:50
Ender2070	tesla troopers	Dec 15 04:50
Ender2070	Boris	Dec 15 04:50
DaemonFC	the only people you can attack are people without nukes	Dec 15 04:50
DaemonFC	which is why Iran and North Korea want them	Dec 15 04:50
Ender2070	submarines	Dec 15 04:50
Ender2070	dreadnaught cruisers	Dec 15 04:50
Ender2070	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnd0qg4I_MM	Dec 15 04:50
DaemonFC	Iran doesn't have any missiles that can reach us	Dec 15 04:51
DaemonFC	but they are within range of Israel	Dec 15 04:51
DaemonFC	they want the nukes as an insurance against a US attack	Dec 15 04:52
DaemonFC	we attack, they nuke Israel	Dec 15 04:52
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DaemonFC	if they nuke Israel, they're automatically at war with us	Dec 15 04:53
DaemonFC	we could level Iran	Dec 15 04:53
DaemonFC	easily, quickly	Dec 15 04:53
DaemonFC	that's why I don't think they'll attack unprovoked	Dec 15 04:53
DaemonFC	Iran's government has a lot of religious rhetoric and hatred of Israel, but they know damned well what we'd do to them	Dec 15 04:54
DaemonFC	they're not all suicidal	Dec 15 04:54
Ender2070	did you see that video	Dec 15 04:54
Ender2070	thats how russia would take over	Dec 15 04:54
DaemonFC	played that game	Dec 15 04:54
DaemonFC	uh huh.....	Dec 15 04:55
DaemonFC	I don't think they'd do it so easily	Dec 15 04:55
DaemonFC	or with Yuri	Dec 15 04:55
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 15 04:55
Ender2070	lol	Dec 15 04:55
Ender2070	i owned so many people online in that game	Dec 15 04:55
DaemonFC	there were lots of cheaters in Tiberian Sun	Dec 15 04:56
DaemonFC	gave up trying to play that online	Dec 15 04:56
Ender2070	tib sun sucked	Dec 15 04:56
Ender2070	imo	Dec 15 04:56
DaemonFC	I liked it	Dec 15 04:56
DaemonFC	played it on my old Windows 98 box	Dec 15 04:56
Ender2070	i liked the solo campaign	Dec 15 04:57
DaemonFC	loved that system	Dec 15 04:57
Ender2070	and firestorms	Dec 15 04:57
DaemonFC	has a special place in my heart	Dec 15 04:57
Ender2070	online sucked	Dec 15 04:57
DaemonFC	yeah, one guy let me build a badass army and wasn't attacking	Dec 15 04:57
DaemonFC	I wondered why, so I deployed my forces to march over and rip up his base	Dec 15 04:57
DaemonFC	and he hits me with like 500 bombers at once	Dec 15 04:58
DaemonFC	obviously cheating	Dec 15 04:58
DaemonFC	that's why online sucked	Dec 15 04:58
Ender2070	heres the thing	Dec 15 04:58
DaemonFC	I play fair, I don't use trainers in multiplayer	Dec 15 04:59
DaemonFC	that really pisses me off	Dec 15 04:59
Ender2070	you could make custom maps and embed a custom rules.ini file in them	Dec 15 04:59
Ender2070	the rules.ini made changes to the game	Dec 15 04:59
Ender2070	you couldnt use trainers online	Dec 15 04:59
Ender2070	it detected both clients werent the same	Dec 15 04:59
DaemonFC	so crude version of Punkbuster, basically	Dec 15 05:00
Ender2070	but you make a rules.ini file that makes everything for nod cost nothing	Dec 15 05:00
Ender2070	or build instantly, etc	Dec 15 05:00
Ender2070	you could give every unit lasers	Dec 15 05:00
Ender2070	basicly anything you wanted	Dec 15 05:00
DaemonFC	Ender2070: You figure I could get my Fallout 3 working in Wine?	Dec 15 05:00
DaemonFC	I haven't bothered trying yet, it's buggy enough on Windows	Dec 15 05:01
Ender2070	probably not	Dec 15 05:01
Ender2070	fallout 3 is kickass though	Dec 15 05:01
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DaemonFC	there's a howto on AppDB	Dec 15 05:01
DaemonFC	but I've never really had lots of luck with those	Dec 15 05:01
Ender2070	best thing to do in that game is make a female	Dec 15 05:01
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DaemonFC	if I could play it on Linux then that would give me one less incentive to keep Windows 7 around	Dec 15 05:02
Ender2070	you might question my suggestion but dont, ill explain	Dec 15 05:02
DaemonFC	female? why?	Dec 15 05:02
DaemonFC	too late	Dec 15 05:02
DaemonFC	:P	Dec 15 05:02
Ender2070	theres a trait called "Black Widow" that lets you do 10% extra damage to men	Dec 15 05:02
Ender2070	most enemies in the game are men	Dec 15 05:02
DaemonFC	There's a Lady Killer for males	Dec 15 05:02
Ender2070	yes but not many female enemies	Dec 15 05:02
DaemonFC	oh	Dec 15 05:02
DaemonFC	so even monsters?	Dec 15 05:03
Ender2070	if they are male	Dec 15 05:03
DaemonFC	does it take gender into account for those?	Dec 15 05:03
Ender2070	im not sure	Dec 15 05:03
Ender2070	i think they are considered male	Dec 15 05:03
Ender2070	also dont put leveling points into weapons at all	Dec 15 05:04
Ender2070	err	Dec 15 05:04
DaemonFC	why is that?	Dec 15 05:04
Ender2070	into the skills	Dec 15 05:04
Ender2070	like the +5 every level skill	Dec 15 05:04
Ender2070	it stops making a difference at a certain point	Dec 15 05:04
DaemonFC	it uses a modified version of Oblivion's rules obviously	Dec 15 05:05
Ender2070	i think it caps around 55	Dec 15 05:05
Ender2070	so if you got the +5 skill each level and you get there, its going to keep going up and you'll not benefit	Dec 15 05:06
Ender2070	also do the fire ant mission early on and get the perception	Dec 15 05:06
DaemonFC	so you're wasting points to go higher than 55?	Dec 15 05:06
Ender2070	i think so	Dec 15 05:06
Ender2070	www.gamefaqs.com has plenty of character guys	Dec 15 05:06
Ender2070	guides	Dec 15 05:07
DaemonFC	ugggh, my mouth is still a bit numb from the dentist earlier	Dec 15 05:07
DaemonFC	:P	Dec 15 05:07
DaemonFC	I forgot I already had one filling that I got when I was 17	Dec 15 05:07
Ender2070	i made a character optimized for the brotherhood of steel stuff	Dec 15 05:07
DaemonFC	so I was like "are you sure?"	Dec 15 05:07
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DaemonFC	I'm $230 lighter for two small fillings	Dec 15 05:18
DaemonFC	glad the cavities weren't deeper or it would have cost $360	Dec 15 05:18
Ender2070	oh no i meant for the power armour	Dec 15 05:18
Ender2070	i focused a lot on small arms	Dec 15 05:18
Ender2070	those are the most common types of weapons in the game	Dec 15 05:19
DaemonFC	you can use a cheat to enable Power Armor before you're supposed to be able to wear it	Dec 15 05:19
Ender2070	cheating isnt fun	Dec 15 05:19
DaemonFC	one or two little cheat codes to speed things along a bit	Dec 15 05:19
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 15 05:19
Ender2070	lol	Dec 15 05:20
Ender2070	I used to cheat in games all the time	Dec 15 05:20
Ender2070	I have more fun not cheating	Dec 15 05:20
Ender2070	feels more fullfilling when you beat a game	Dec 15 05:20
DaemonFC	invincibility makes the game not fun	Dec 15 05:20
DaemonFC	I never use those codes	Dec 15 05:20
Ender2070	ill cheat in a game after i beat it	Dec 15 05:20
Ender2070	ever play fable 2?	Dec 15 05:21
DaemonFC	no	Dec 15 05:21
Ender2070	that game is so easy you dont have to cheat	Dec 15 05:21
Ender2070	i play it at my friends all the time	Dec 15 05:21
Ender2070	its an rpg	Dec 15 05:21
DaemonFC	this PC is new, it replaces a crap PC that wouldn't run any games so didn't have Windows at all	Dec 15 05:21
DaemonFC	shrug	Dec 15 05:21
Ender2070	fable 2 is an xcrap360 game	Dec 15 05:21
DaemonFC	Fable 2 is not for PC?	Dec 15 05:22
Ender2070	not that im aware of	Dec 15 05:22
Ender2070	heres the funny thing	Dec 15 05:22
Ender2070	you buy houses in this game, and you can rent them out	Dec 15 05:22
Ender2070	you earn money even when the system is off	Dec 15 05:22
Ender2070	so i would go to my friends each week and have money to buy more houses	Dec 15 05:22
DaemonFC	I went a few years on Linux jsut because the system I had wouldn't run any games at all	Dec 15 05:22
DaemonFC	now that I have one that can, I'm handcuffed to Windows	Dec 15 05:23
Ender2070	now im a billionare in that game	Dec 15 05:23
Ender2070	without hardly playing	Dec 15 05:23
Ender2070	another funny thing	Dec 15 05:23
Ender2070	you can buy experience points	Dec 15 05:23
DaemonFC	do you get to not repair them and raise the rent all the time?	Dec 15 05:23
DaemonFC	cause that was two landlords ago for me :D	Dec 15 05:23
Ender2070	you dont need to repair them	Dec 15 05:23
Ender2070	but	Dec 15 05:24
Ender2070	you can raise the rent	Dec 15 05:24
DaemonFC	can they get pissed about it and leave? :)	Dec 15 05:24
Ender2070	if you do, you become more evil	Dec 15 05:24
Ender2070	they cant leave	Dec 15 05:24
Ender2070	you have to force them out	Dec 15 05:24
Ender2070	they always pay but it makes you more evil	Dec 15 05:24
Ender2070	then people dont like you	Dec 15 05:25
Ender2070	and they charge you more for stuff	Dec 15 05:25
Ender2070	i bought every house in the game	Dec 15 05:25
Ender2070	rented them all out dirt cheap	Dec 15 05:25
Ender2070	everyone loves me, and im rich	Dec 15 05:25
Ender2070	when you lower rent your goodness rating goes up	Dec 15 05:26
DaemonFC	Ender2070: http://www.mojvideo.com/video-family-guy-mexican-superfriends/a319f71edc53fe5abecd	Dec 15 05:26
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Ender2070	its kinda like sims and an rpg all rolled up in one i guess	Dec 15 05:26
Ender2070	lol family guy	Dec 15 05:27
Ender2070	they offend everyone	Dec 15 05:27
DaemonFC	best family guy skit ever	Dec 15 05:27
Ender2070	nah not the best	Dec 15 05:27
Ender2070	funny tho	Dec 15 05:27
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @eduvid Post online-CAT disaster, IIMs plan to switch to FOSS #foss http://tinyurl.com/ybodevk		Dec 15 06:41
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] In a consultation on #csr and #tourism organised by kabani, keralatourismwatch and eed.		Dec 15 06:55
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] the discussion on csr in indian context was interesting . A lot of examples analysing/exposing csr bad and good practices were shared		Dec 15 06:58
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] i shared the example of #nasscom foundations diversion of #csr money to m$ in the name of giving free copies of windows7 to ngos		Dec 15 07:01
Ender2070	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrNh8b_0elw	Dec 15 07:03
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] sovergine state follows a divine law . Market follows no law or some law. Civil society emerges as space 4 aspirations of marginalised		Dec 15 07:06
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] There is no shared view of corporate social responsibility . In domains like tourism it is too difficult		Dec 15 07:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] #csrintourism charity argument in csr need to be unfolded and analysed and relooked. Moral or ethical angle need to be unfolded		Dec 15 07:14
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] #csrintourism in the case of csr , we only have negative examples. Not much positive ones		Dec 15 07:17
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Questions on the need of state regulation on #csr since all the money spend on csr is tax excempted. #csrintourism		Dec 15 07:36
MinceR	http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/12/14/1847256/Microsoft-Fined-In-India-For-Using-Money-Power-Against-Pirates?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29	Dec 15 07:47
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Yellow Tshirts against software patents: http://i5.be/2N		Dec 15 08:52
schestowitz	> Why do you link to the Linux Blog Safari? What self respecting gnu/linux user	Dec 15 08:52
schestowitz	> would subject their family to Windows 7 after Vista?	Dec 15 08:52
schestowitz	>	Dec 15 08:52
schestowitz	> http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/68885.html	Dec 15 08:52
schestowitz	>	Dec 15 08:52
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schestowitz	> "You know that the spirit of the season has expanded some hearts when a Linux	Dec 15 08:52
schestowitz	> geek actually suggests the gift of Windows 7 -- "for all those poor souls in	Dec 15 08:52
schestowitz	> your family trapped on Vista," Slashdot blogger hairyfeet quickly added. "	Dec 15 08:52
schestowitz	>	Dec 15 08:52
schestowitz	> This is obvious astroturf of the sort that crops up at every new Windows	Dec 15 08:52
schestowitz	> release, "Go buy Windows, this one is better."	Dec 15 08:52
cubezzz	I wish I could say I stopped at windows 2.0	Dec 15 09:03
cubezzz	the problem back then was Unix System V was reallty expensive	Dec 15 09:03
schestowitz	http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/15/us/politics/15brfs-MISSINGBUSHE_BRF.html?_r=2	Dec 15 09:04
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cubezzz	you could call it an early dark ages of computing	Dec 15 09:04
schestowitz	http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/12/091214-octopus-carries-coconuts-coconut-carrying.html	Dec 15 09:04
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cubezzz	http://www.aleutia.com	Dec 15 09:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @arnabdotorg flic.kr, goo.gl, fb.me.. i'm sure the poor guy @ICANN who had the idea 2 intrduce country-specific TLDs is turning in sleep		Dec 15 09:15
cubezzz	D1 Desktop uses Dual Core Atom Processor, 4 GB Ram	Dec 15 09:16
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @eduvid: I will too RT: @jithesh_e_j: If GNOME ditches GNU, I'll ditch GNOME!		Dec 15 09:17
cubezzz	35 watts	Dec 15 09:18
schestowitz	Now FB..... http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/12/14/facebook-url-shortener-makes-appearance	Dec 15 09:21
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schestowitz	Google also	Dec 15 09:21
cubezzz	even better, you can get a solar panel to power the Aleutia E2 :-0	Dec 15 09:23
cubezzz	Aleutia E2 by itself: 8 watts	Dec 15 09:23
cubezzz	with 8" LCD: 18 watts	Dec 15 09:23
schestowitz	http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/12/myspace-imeem-deal/	Dec 15 09:26
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schestowitz	OMG! http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/vancouver-orders-removal-of-anti-olympic-mural/article1396541/	Dec 15 09:29
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schestowitz	Ender2070: you've gotta tease those censors.	Dec 15 09:29
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/14/chrome_dns_query_bug/	Dec 15 09:38
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schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/14/accenture_dumps_woods/	Dec 15 09:40
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schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/14/google_recaptcha_busted/	Dec 15 09:42
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schestowitz	"I really hope that Google (or Microsoft, or Yahoo, or whoever) figures out which set of knobs on the sides of the big search engines to twist to get us back to where things were when they worked better. But until that happens, I can see one way forward that I don’t think can be gamed; we’ll just have to rely increasingly on people and their reputations. ¶"	Dec 15 09:46
schestowitz	http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/12/14/Internet-Inflection-Point	Dec 15 09:46
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schestowitz	http://identi.ca/notice/16755745 "!fsf holiday party was pretty sweet! The hamburgers at the Cellar are SO GOOD"	Dec 15 09:46
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schestowitz	http://identi.ca/notice/16745743 "I agree with @rms that !GNOME Planet should not be used for promoting unrelated proprietary software. It should be about "	Dec 15 09:47
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cubezzz	Fast food ads Vs Reality:	Dec 15 09:54
cubezzz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbCwi6EeNAE&feature=related	Dec 15 09:54
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ♲ I agree with @rms that #GNOME Planet should not be used for promoting unrelated proprietary software. It should be about #FLOSS. #gnu #fsf		Dec 15 09:56
schestowitz	cubezzz: http://nerdious.com/files/2009/10/windows-7-burger-video.JPG	Dec 15 09:57
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cubezzz	that first arby's one really looks bad	Dec 15 09:57
schestowitz	Fantasy food	Dec 15 09:58
cubezzz	is the one in the commercial plastic or something? :)	Dec 15 09:58
schestowitz	Has someone tested honest advertising laws/regulations?	Dec 15 09:58
cubezzz	well, I stopped with the fast food about 5 years ago	Dec 15 09:59
schestowitz	cubezzz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5lZkKFXQ14	Dec 15 10:00
schestowitz	New, in McDonalds	Dec 15 10:00
cubezzz	McDonalds..?	Dec 15 10:11
cubezzz	it seems to be about Princess Diana	Dec 15 10:11
cubezzz	oh now I see McDonalds :)	Dec 15 10:13
cubezzz	wow, he's quite brave	Dec 15 10:13
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cubezzz	schestowitz, who is that guy?	Dec 15 10:15
schestowitz	He's being an arse sometimes, but Danny, the guy he's doing some skits with, is funny	Dec 15 10:22
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUI4ITCLcA0	Dec 15 10:22
cubezzz	it would be funnier if he did that in a big computer store :)	Dec 15 10:25
schestowitz	http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9142224/Oracle_s_pledges_on_MySQL_are_purely_cosmetic_say_critics	Dec 15 10:26
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schestowitz	MSMueller, via Microsoft Meller	Dec 15 10:26
schestowitz	http://www.dvhardware.net/articles25_fastra_2_desktop_supercomputer.html	Dec 15 10:28
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sankarshan: @anivar All that talk of "ditching" is somewhat unfounded and FUD-ish #gnome		Dec 15 10:32
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @ghoseb: Wow, the GNOME Foundation mailing list is now holding a huge mud-slinging contest.		Dec 15 10:33
schestowitz	Hmmmmmmm... they overcomplicate things... http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/feature/1565967/how-install-thunderbird-linux	Dec 15 10:39
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oiaohm	http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/2009/dec/14/busybox-gpl-lawsuit/ Hmm who was the one that was spitting anti Linux doc for MS. Best buy ?	Dec 15 10:47
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schestowitz	http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9142267/Nook_e_reader_gains_new_appeal_as_rooted_wireless_tablet?taxonomyId=75	Dec 15 10:49
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schestowitz	oiaohm: yes	Dec 15 10:49
schestowitz	And Samsung and JVC signed anti-Linux patent deals	Dec 15 10:50
oiaohm	Interesting that they were using it in one of there own products schestowitz	Dec 15 10:50
schestowitz	oiaohm: I was about to write about it in the afternoon	Dec 15 10:51
schestowitz	oiaohm: how so?	Dec 15 10:51
schestowitz	Please elaborate	Dec 15 10:51
schestowitz	I mean, they pay Microsoft for using Linux	Dec 15 10:52
schestowitz	Yet they also hide FOSS in their wares	Dec 15 10:52
schestowitz	Pearly is paying fake journos to worship him......	Dec 15 10:53
schestowitz	http://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2009/12/14/4404381.html	Dec 15 10:53
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oiaohm	Best buy blueray player contains linux and source code is not released.	Dec 15 10:53
oiaohm	Lot are getting caught hidding and disobeying GPL.	Dec 15 10:54
schestowitz	SFLC shows how widespread FS is	Dec 15 10:57
schestowitz	Under people's noses	Dec 15 10:57
schestowitz	"The military now uses the Thunderbird client on over 80,000 computers, with other government ministries now using the software."	Dec 15 10:58
schestowitz	http://www.smartcompany.com.au/information-technology/20091214-french-military-says-mozilla-software-more-secure-than-microsoft-2.html	Dec 15 10:58
schestowitz	http://www.voxy.co.nz/business/top-geeks-converge-wellington/5/33114 Are you going, oiaohm?	Dec 15 11:00
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schestowitz	SCOster: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Murphy/?p=1744	Dec 15 11:01
schestowitz	What do people make of this? http://www.thinkdigit.com/Features/The-Creator-of-MySQL-calls-out-for_3824.html	Dec 15 11:06
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @Info_Activism: #10tactics & Tactical Tech's co-founders Steph Hankey & Marek Tuszynski on Digital Planet on BBC World http://bit.ly/Sezj		Dec 15 11:09
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schestowitz	http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/184558/mysql_creator_launches_campaign_to_save_database.html Any thoughts?	Dec 15 11:14
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oiaohm	Nop schestowitz really if I get over to NZ it would take me about a years to get out of there after visiting all my releations.	Dec 15 11:16
schestowitz	http://www.mainjustice.com/2009/12/14/as-eu-softens-line-on-oracle-grassroots-push-back/	Dec 15 11:18
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schestowitz	oiaohm: did you know this? Surely you do... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C9XNHmTb48#t=360	Dec 15 11:18
oiaohm	They got it badly wrong. Internal of australia was a forest that was not that fire tollernet.	Dec 15 11:23
oiaohm	We have the first australian to thank for large internal deserts.	Dec 15 11:23
schestowitz	Cool: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/184585/erp_vendor_offers_to_take_over_mysql.html	Dec 15 11:24
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schestowitz	oiaohm: so how did they get it wrong?	Dec 15 11:24
schestowitz	You man, the programme or the people?	Dec 15 11:24
schestowitz	*man->mean	Dec 15 11:25
oiaohm	schestowitz: programme	Dec 15 11:25
schestowitz	But that's what they said, no?	Dec 15 11:25
oiaohm	The fossal records in australian says the internal was a large form of pine forest.	Dec 15 11:25
schestowitz	I hadn't realise this can change the climate really	Dec 15 11:25
oiaohm	You don't want to add fire to them.	Dec 15 11:25
oiaohm	Results are kinda nukular.	Dec 15 11:26
schestowitz	Sad.	Dec 15 11:26
schestowitz	They turned it to Martian land	Dec 15 11:26
oiaohm	It was not fires over generations.	Dec 15 11:26
oiaohm	They got ot a section that did not tollerate fire and splat.	Dec 15 11:26
oiaohm	Distruption ending the perminate inland sea in australia.	Dec 15 11:27
oiaohm	And that kinda had major kock on effects.	Dec 15 11:28
schestowitz	How did man reach Australia so early?	Dec 15 11:28
schestowitz	No canoe back then	Dec 15 11:28
oiaohm	Dry land.	Dec 15 11:28
oiaohm	Ice ages caused land bridges.	Dec 15 11:29
schestowitz	For sure?	Dec 15 11:29
oiaohm	Time line matches.	Dec 15 11:29
schestowitz	I can see it in Alaska, but Aussie?	Dec 15 11:30
schestowitz	I find it ironic BTW that Britain sent prisoners to AU and now the British economy is in ruins whereas AU is tolerant	Dec 15 11:30
oiaohm	People cannot see that tasmaina and pupu gunnie was one land mass let alone the rest of the bridges	Dec 15 11:30
schestowitz	I have a friend whose son live in Australia and you guys hardly feel the subprime tsunami	Dec 15 11:31
oiaohm	When had our subprime in the gold rush times here in australia schestowitz	Dec 15 11:31
oiaohm	Lot of fly by night banks back then.	Dec 15 11:31
schestowitz	oiaohm: well, many Pacific island could vanish from the map soon	Dec 15 11:31
oiaohm	Made the subprime item look like a joke.	Dec 15 11:32
oiaohm	Gold age here banks did stupid thinks like buying up mining claims with no sure gold on them.	Dec 15 11:32
oiaohm	Yes we had out subprime early so banking rules were created to prevent it from happening again.	Dec 15 11:33
schestowitz	Well, US Mint has been unhinged off gold for decades	Dec 15 11:33
schestowitz	Full list of companies sued: http://www.examiner.com/x-32162-LA-Business-Tech-Examiner~y2009m12d14-Best-Buy-Samsung-Westinghouse-and-11-more-named-in-open-source-lawsuit	Dec 15 11:33
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oiaohm	Australian gold rush time was a long time ago schestowitz	Dec 15 11:34
oiaohm	We learnt fromt hat.	Dec 15 11:34
oiaohm	that.	Dec 15 11:34
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Yellow tshirts against Software Patents: http://i5.be/2P		Dec 15 11:35
oiaohm	The USA had as well but there stupid goverment removed the protections placed after the usa gold rush age schestowitz	Dec 15 11:35
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oiaohm	So leading to the subprime schestowitz	Dec 15 11:35
oiaohm	What supprises me is the UK was incharage of australian when the gold rush stuff up happen yet the UK banking rules did not learn from it.	Dec 15 11:37
schestowitz	http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10415298-56.html	Dec 15 11:46
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oiaohm	third-party Chinese vendor hired for the task. This is coming a quite frequent happening schestowitz	Dec 15 11:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @privacyint: Finally reading: NYTimes editorial on government surveillance of social networking. http://is.gd/5oooj		Dec 15 11:53
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schestowitz	They are still liable	Dec 15 12:11
schestowitz	It's like their offshoring of AstroTurfing	Dec 15 12:12
schestowitz	They will try to blame "Edelman" or something for the bribe	Dec 15 12:12
schestowitz	http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/bizarre_cathedral_62	Dec 15 12:14
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schestowitz	http://microsofttaxdodge.com/2009/12/how-nevada-lures-nearby-businesses.html	Dec 15 12:18
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schestowitz	Linux needs more screenshots like this, not human-GNOME... http://blog.chatonka.com/2009/12/timevault-progress-update/	Dec 15 12:24
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schestowitz	> Hi, Roy,	Dec 15 12:37
schestowitz	>	Dec 15 12:38
schestowitz	> Looks like CBC has an ideological axe to grind:	Dec 15 12:38
schestowitz	> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1355461	Dec 15 12:38
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schestowitz	I won't link to the whole 1% BS.	Dec 15 12:38
schestowitz	cubezzz: maybe you can complain to them	Dec 15 12:38
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schestowitz	Sun says gnu is ugly... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2045707288429324613&hl=en&emb=1#	Dec 15 12:53
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schestowitz	The code..	Dec 15 12:53
oiaohm	GNU code is ugly.	Dec 15 12:56
oiaohm	But there is worse	Dec 15 12:57
MinceR	openssl, for example	Dec 15 13:08
MinceR	also, sun is not to be trusted when they're dissing GNU or Linux	Dec 15 13:08
MinceR	they're clearly hostile	Dec 15 13:08
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MinceR	i doubt that some FUD will be enough to make slowlaris relevant, though	Dec 15 13:10
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schestowitz	MinceR: Oracle might not keep it	Dec 15 13:25
MinceR	oracle could choose either direction	Dec 15 13:26
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MinceR	or they might even fail to buy sun after all	Dec 15 13:26
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schestowitz	Maybe.	Dec 15 13:28
schestowitz	Not sure yet	Dec 15 13:28
schestowitz	Either way, it's bad for Sun	Dec 15 13:28
MinceR	i doubt anyone is sure yet	Dec 15 13:28
schestowitz	And leading to less choice	Dec 15 13:28
schestowitz	It's sweepup time for conglomerates	Dec 15 13:28
schestowitz	Time to 'consume' competitors	Dec 15 13:29
schestowitz	And keep users of mysql more frightened of the free product	Dec 15 13:29
MinceR	they could try postgresql :>	Dec 15 13:29
schestowitz	Maybe they'll buy them too :-)	Dec 15 13:30
schestowitz	Or IBM	Dec 15 13:30
schestowitz	EnterpriseDB got some money from the Blue	Dec 15 13:30
schestowitz	BTW, I didn't know DEC was the first with mainframes	Dec 15 13:30
MinceR	lol @ oracle buying ibm	Dec 15 13:30
schestowitz	Turns out IBM was only transforming from typewriters and machines like that in the dawn of it all	Dec 15 13:30
schestowitz	MinceR: they can't	Dec 15 13:30
MinceR	i know	Dec 15 13:31
schestowitz	Unless it shrinks	Dec 15 13:31
schestowitz	Google could bought 5 years ago	Dec 15 13:31
schestowitz	Now it's a serial buyer	Dec 15 13:31
schestowitz	Love the titans /sarcasm	Dec 15 13:31
schestowitz	BTW, work insecurity that's a new thing ensures no unions or standing up for market diversity, which is said	Dec 15 13:31
schestowitz	Wages of people had stagnated by 7% for the lower 90% of US poplation (taxpayers)	Dec 15 13:32
schestowitz	Top 0.01% saw it going up 600% but it's kept away from sight	Dec 15 13:32
schestowitz	So Oracle's moves as representative of this trend	Dec 15 13:33
schestowitz	Less things in the middle	Dec 15 13:33
schestowitz	More super-rich, less of the people in between them and the underprivileged	Dec 15 13:33
schestowitz	Developing world depends on mysql	Dec 15 13:33
schestowitz	Mysql has ~45% market share in developing nations	Dec 15 13:33
schestowitz	So the Oracle move has ramification for a lot more than just EU	Dec 15 13:34
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sebinaj: RD @suresh: Google's effort in monopolizing the #web continues. Now, it is url shortner => http://is.gd/5osLr		Dec 15 13:34
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schestowitz	It's like the Microsoft 'piracy' game over Windows in nations it exploits	Dec 15 13:34
schestowitz	Heh. Goo.gl	Dec 15 13:34
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @cjpkar: Salwa Judum stages protest outside VCA. Himanshu "not allowed" to leave his home. volunteers needed to help Jan sunwai		Dec 15 13:35
schestowitz	MinceR: skip to 38:00 http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/182	Dec 15 13:37
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schestowitz	Illusion of competition	Dec 15 13:37
schestowitz	They pass both cost and risk to taxpayers who pay for limited competition by giants who also cooperate	Dec 15 13:37
MinceR	can't watch videos now	Dec 15 13:38
schestowitz	OK	Dec 15 13:38
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows and Helplessness as a Mindset http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/opinions/6928/1/		Dec 15 14:42
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Had a Great Year in 2009 Despite Economic Collapse http://ur1.ca/hwiz		Dec 15 14:43
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] World's Pioneering in #Motorbikes to be Powered by #Linux http://ur1.ca/hwj0		Dec 15 14:44
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] University of Antwerp Builds #GNU #Linux Super Desktop with Many GPUs http://ur1.ca/hwj1		Dec 15 14:46
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Desktop #GNU #Linux Benefits from/Unaffected by Diversity http://ur1.ca/hwj8		Dec 15 14:47
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] rediscovering the magic of Discworld		Dec 15 15:03
schestowitz	Hey, pawel_121_	Dec 15 15:04
pawel_121_	schestowitz hi :)	Dec 15 15:04
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] omputer Game #Aquaria is Coming to #GNU #Linux http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzgwNA		Dec 15 15:05
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #TimeVault for GNU/Linux is a Go http://blog.chatonka.com/2009/12/timevault-progress-update/		Dec 15 15:06
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Moovida #Media Center Reviewed http://www.raiden.net/articles/review_moovida_media_center/		Dec 15 15:06
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Ender2070	I don't like OSNews anymore	Dec 15 15:07
Ender2070	they ignored my submission for this "The FSF needs to change. It needs to face the new reality, i.e., one wherein most people (developers) within the F/OSS community recognise the necessity for interoperability and cooperation with established proprietary software vendors. F/OSS is no longer developer-centric - it has become user-centric. It seems like RMS is oblivious to this change in perspective."	Dec 15 15:08
Ender2070	and put bullshit up	Dec 15 15:09
Ender2070	http://www.osnews.com/story/22610/GNOME_To_Split_from_GNU_Project_	Dec 15 15:09
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Ender2070	completely ignored what I submitted, probably because i wasn't attacking RMS	Dec 15 15:09
schestowitz	OS News has been bad for years	Dec 15 15:12
schestowitz	Thom ruined it	Dec 15 15:12
schestowitz	he's anti-FS	Dec 15 15:12
Ender2070	it was Thom	Dec 15 15:12
schestowitz	Of course	Dec 15 15:13
schestowitz	I was gonna wrote about this	Dec 15 15:13
Ender2070	they've pulled other stuff I wrote	Dec 15 15:13
schestowitz	I saw his rant a few hours ago	Dec 15 15:13
Ender2070	I emailed him about it	Dec 15 15:13
Ender2070	asking him why lxer and slashdot featured it but not his site	Dec 15 15:13
schestowitz	Share what happens later	Dec 15 15:15
schestowitz	Groklaw also complained about his rants	Dec 15 15:15
schestowitz	PJ...	Dec 15 15:15
schestowitz	He distorted some argument over the GPL	Dec 15 15:15
Ender2070	you dont have to tell me :)	Dec 15 15:15
Ender2070	i remember he pushed to have linux's filesystem match windows	Dec 15 15:16
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Approaches Businesses in EMEA Region http://ur1.ca/hwl2		Dec 15 15:16
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Ender2070	he wanted /users/documents and /users/settings seperate	Dec 15 15:16
Ender2070	bs imp	Dec 15 15:16
Ender2070	imo	Dec 15 15:16
schestowitz	They have in change people who don't like Linux	Dec 15 15:16
Ender2070	FHS is fine	Dec 15 15:16
schestowitz	Sometimes cause these people are associated with funders	Dec 15 15:17
schestowitz	It has become a disease	Dec 15 15:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I earned the Curious George(100) sticker on #GetGlue! http://bit.ly/6n66tm		Dec 15 15:17
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schestowitz	Yes, he's a WIndows fan, so..	Dec 15 15:17
schestowitz	re FS	Dec 15 15:17
Ender2070	yeah	Dec 15 15:17
schestowitz	He's the reason I unsubcribed 2 years ago	Dec 15 15:18
schestowitz	Then I found out I wasn't alone.. others said the same	Dec 15 15:18
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux is Preferred (Over Windows) and What Comes Next http://ur1.ca/hwl5 http://ur1.ca/hwl6		Dec 15 15:18
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schestowitz	They aired the "get the facts" LSE anti-Linux ads	Dec 15 15:18
schestowitz	Well, maybe AdSense did to be fair	Dec 15 15:18
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #TouchScreen Monitors in #Linux , Even with Multiple Monitors http://ur1.ca/hwl9		Dec 15 15:19
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Ender2070	adsense probably detected the pro ms bias and displayed them	Dec 15 15:19
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nook is Open for Hacking, Web Surfing, Etc. http://ur1.ca/hwlf http://ur1.ca/hwlg		Dec 15 15:20
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cubezzz	I've never run any anti-linux ads, as far as I know	Dec 15 15:20
Ender2070	I don't run any ads	Dec 15 15:20
Ender2070	If I did I would consider myself a hypocrite	Dec 15 15:20
cubezzz	running linux ads is OK	Dec 15 15:21
cubezzz	or public service ads	Dec 15 15:21
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] $PARTNER sent merry xmas to monitoring-spam address. images in it are on their local CMS and require login to access. well done.		Dec 15 15:22
Ender2070	nah i run adblock	Dec 15 15:22
cubezzz	people need hosting and other services	Dec 15 15:22
cubezzz	ah, I see	Dec 15 15:22
Ender2070	i dont believe in advertising	Dec 15 15:22
Ender2070	plus	Dec 15 15:22
Ender2070	it could make me liable for damages if I got into a fair use lawsuit	Dec 15 15:22
cubezzz	I'm not sure I understand	Dec 15 15:23
Ender2070	I don't want to give the olympics ammo for what im gonna do	Dec 15 15:23
Ender2070	well	Dec 15 15:23
Ender2070	if you have ads they can argue you profited from the use of their copyright	Dec 15 15:23
Ender2070	which can earn them "actual damages" which are seperate from statutory damages	Dec 15 15:24
cubezzz	the publisher wants people to see their ads	Dec 15 15:24
Ender2070	nonono	Dec 15 15:24
Ender2070	lets say I make a parody of some picture	Dec 15 15:25
cubezzz	?	Dec 15 15:25
Ender2070	and I get sued for it	Dec 15 15:25
Ender2070	they can say I profitted from making the parody	Dec 15 15:25
Ender2070	because i had ads	Dec 15 15:25
Ender2070	the website itself was earning me money	Dec 15 15:25
cubezzz	I think parodies are protected under copyright	Dec 15 15:26
cubezzz	otherwise comedians would be in a lot of trouble	Dec 15 15:26
Ender2070	its just an example but you're right	Dec 15 15:26
Ender2070	but thats the case 99% of the time	Dec 15 15:27
Ender2070	its usually protected	Dec 15 15:27
Ender2070	sometimes its not, depending on the use	Dec 15 15:27
Ender2070	ill be back later	Dec 15 15:27
cubezzz	MAD magazine? :)	Dec 15 15:27
Ender2070	i know :)	Dec 15 15:28
cubezzz	that's all they do	Dec 15 15:28
Ender2070	just an example	Dec 15 15:28
Ender2070	what if I borrowed someones quote and I stuck up for my fair use on it	Dec 15 15:28
Ender2070	or anything where I try to do something under fair use	Dec 15 15:28
cubezzz	news reporting? :)	Dec 15 15:29
Ender2070	if im wrong, and they can prove I profitted, bam im dead	Dec 15 15:29
Ender2070	thats what im saying	Dec 15 15:29
Ender2070	also with advertising im subject to rules	Dec 15 15:29
Ender2070	i can think of many reasons not to run ads	Dec 15 15:30
Ender2070	konquerer, usually waits for all images to load before showing anything and ads sometimes resolve slowly for example	Dec 15 15:30
Ender2070	and I dont ever want random pro microsoft ads	Dec 15 15:30
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Lifestreaming Becomes #FreeSoftware http://mashable.com/2009/12/13/storytlr-open-source/		Dec 15 15:31
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Ender2070	or novell ads that might come up because google assosiates them with linux	Dec 15 15:31
Ender2070	I dont want to subject my user base to subliminals either	Dec 15 15:31
Ender2070	ads are full of them	Dec 15 15:31
Ender2070	but i gtg, ill talk later	Dec 15 15:31
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Resource for Free Alternatives to Proprietary Software, New #FOSS Currency http://ur1.ca/hwn7 http://ur1.ca/hwn8		Dec 15 15:36
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cubezzz	but if Microsoft ran ads on boycottnovell... that would be funny :)	Dec 15 15:36
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSF / #GNU Has New Credit Card Designs http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/new-credit-card-images		Dec 15 15:48
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cubezzz	wow, is that new?	Dec 15 15:49
cubezzz	GNU credit cards?	Dec 15 15:49
cubezzz	US only though, hmmm	Dec 15 15:50
Diablo-D3	whos issuing it	Dec 15 15:54
Diablo-D3	ahh, hmm, umb	Dec 15 15:54
cubezzz	Visa	Dec 15 15:55
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolists Contradicted by Fact http://techdirt.com/articles/20091213/1648377324.shtml		Dec 15 15:59
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware So Mainstream That #Microsoft Cannot Help Infringing the #GPL http://ur1.ca/hwp9		Dec 15 16:03
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schestowitz	What a mess	Dec 15 16:07
schestowitz	..freenode..	Dec 15 16:07
schestowitz	I was about to say, "And there is no room for honesty in some advertising"	Dec 15 16:07
cubezzz	I think I saw that :)	Dec 15 16:08
schestowitz	<cubezzz> news reporting? :)	Dec 15 16:10
schestowitz	[15:29] <Ender2070> if im wrong, and they can prove I profitted, bam im dead	Dec 15 16:10
schestowitz	[15:29] <Ender2070> thats what im saying	Dec 15 16:10
schestowitz	[15:29] <Ender2070> also with advertising im subject to rules	Dec 15 16:10
schestowitz	[15:30] <Ender2070> i can think of many reasons not to run ads	Dec 15 16:10
schestowitz	[15:30] <schestowitz> Few ads can be ethical	Dec 15 16:10
schestowitz	[15:31] <schestowitz> But then they are not ads	Dec 15 16:10
schestowitz	[15:31] <schestowitz> They are informative	Dec 15 16:10
schestowitz	[15:31] <cubezzz> again, people want to know what's out there	Dec 15 16:10
schestowitz	[15:31] <schestowitz> Ads by definition almost are about disinforming	Dec 15 16:10
schestowitz	[15:31] <schestowitz> In most practical cases	Dec 15 16:10
schestowitz	[15:31] <cubezzz> just like I want an ARM based laptop	Dec 15 16:10
schestowitz	[15:31] <cubezzz> how can I find one if no one advertises?	Dec 15 16:10
schestowitz	[15:31] <schestowitz> It's dangerous to have marketing people run things	Dec 15 16:10
schestowitz	[15:32] <schestowitz> Like Linux projects	Dec 15 16:10
schestowitz	[15:32] <schestowitz> They think differently	Dec 15 16:10
schestowitz	[15:32] <schestowitz> Like advertisers	Dec 15 16:10
schestowitz	[15:32] <MinceR> they are advertisers	Dec 15 16:10
schestowitz	[15:32] <schestowitz> Scientists think differently	Dec 15 16:10
schestowitz	[15:32] <cubezzz> ok, what about donate buttons? How do you feel about those?	Dec 15 16:10
schestowitz	[15:32] <schestowitz> You just need to enter their classes to see	Dec 15 16:11
schestowitz	[15:32] <schestowitz> Same with MBAs	Dec 15 16:11
schestowitz	[15:32] <schestowitz> Who are treated to mistreat people	Dec 15 16:11
MinceR	ads can be ethical -- all you need to do is have some advantages to your product and point them out	Dec 15 16:11
MinceR	(if it's otherwise not a ripoff)	Dec 15 16:11
cubezzz	brb, X is mucking up	Dec 15 16:12
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schestowitz	<cubezzz>but if Microsoft ran ads on boycottnovell... that would be funny :)	Dec 15 16:12
schestowitz	[15:33] <schestowitz> There is no room for compassion in management	Dec 15 16:12
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schestowitz	Dec 15 15:15:56 -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSF / #GNU Has New Credit Card Designs http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/new-credit-card-images	Dec 15 16:13
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schestowitz	Dec 15 15:15:56 <phIRCe-local>Title: New images for FSF credit cards - Free Software Foundation .::. Size~: 30.27 KB	Dec 15 16:13
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schestowitz	Dec 15 15:15:57 <cubezzz>wow, is that new?	Dec 15 16:13
schestowitz	Dec 15 15:15:58 <cubezzz>GNU credit cards?	Dec 15 16:13
schestowitz	Dec 15 15:15:58 <cubezzz>US only though, hmmm	Dec 15 16:13
schestowitz	Dec 15 15:18:47 <Diablo-D3>whos issuing it	Dec 15 16:14
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schestowitz	Grrrrrrrrr.......	Dec 15 16:29
schestowitz	[16:13] <schestowitz> Dec 15 15:19:00 <Diablo-D3>ahh, hmm, umb	Dec 15 16:29
schestowitz	[16:13] <schestowitz> Dec 15 15:20:12 <cubezzz>Visa	Dec 15 16:29
schestowitz	[16:13] <phIRCe-local> Title: New images for FSF credit cards - Free Software Foundation .::. Size~: 30.27 KB	Dec 15 16:29
schestowitz	[16:15] <schestowitz> [16:06] [Notice] -BNi to #boycottnovell- [diablod3/@diablod3] Normally I'd say #policestate, but the homeowner used extremely excessive force for vengeance, 2.5 years isn't enough http://ur1.ca/hwqb	Dec 15 16:29
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schestowitz	[16:16] <schestowitz> There's frequent downtime... many netsplits too	Dec 15 16:29
schestowitz	[16:16] <schestowitz> This morning there was this:	Dec 15 16:29
schestowitz	[16:16] <schestowitz> Dec 15 02:30:41 <dyfet>I just read what I think will be the headline story tomorrow....	Dec 15 16:29
schestowitz	[16:16] <schestowitz> Dec 15 02:30:47 <dyfet>http://blog.plurk.com/2009/12/14/microsoft-rips-plurk/	Dec 15 16:29
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Diablo-D3	I suspect schestowitz's client has gone insane	Dec 15 16:30
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schestowitz	Diablo-D3: no, I post what was split out	Dec 15 16:31
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schestowitz	Depending on whose side of the split, but sitll..	Dec 15 16:31
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Attempt by @lorddrayson to get scientists and gov't talking again http://is.gd/5oFxH		Dec 15 16:32
Ender2070	Apparently chully posted one day before me	Dec 15 16:32
schestowitz	Sam?	Dec 15 16:32
Ender2070	thom	Dec 15 16:33
Ender2070	osnews	Dec 15 16:33
Ender2070	i forwarded his reply to you	Dec 15 16:34
Ender2070	it was within hours actually	Dec 15 16:34
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] great fail! http://failblog.org/2009/11/07/career-fair-fail/		Dec 15 16:46
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Ender2070	oh wrong email, lol	Dec 15 16:51
Ender2070	ill be back later	Dec 15 16:51
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] schneier on extortion in virtual games http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/11/virtual_mafia_i.html		Dec 15 16:51
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Walmart may be trying a drive through http://ur1.ca/hwqm #douchebags		Dec 15 17:11
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trmanco	identi.ca is down :\|	Dec 15 17:12
Diablo-D3	no its not.	Dec 15 17:15
schestowitz	BN is on knees... server load	Dec 15 17:16
schestowitz	I think something hit it.... let's check	Dec 15 17:16
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Israeli airport guards terrorize those they are meant to protect from #terrorism http://ur1.ca/hww9 #douchebags		Dec 15 17:16
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pentarex	hmm	Dec 15 17:30
pentarex	another day in paradise :D	Dec 15 17:30
schestowitz	Naaa... rather annoying	Dec 15 17:31
schestowitz	So many netsplits	Dec 15 17:32
schestowitz	[17:19] <schestowitz> Damn, I hate this................... can't figure out what causes load by tailing log	Dec 15 17:32
schestowitz	[17:20] <schestowitz> Is there a tool that does analyse Apache and detect what's being hit?	Dec 15 17:32
schestowitz	[17:21] [Notice] -BNi to #boycottnovell- [diablod3/@diablod3] goo.gl, eh? Kinda seems pointless, we already have several 5 letter long services. #Google, instead, should mirror these and offload traffic	Dec 15 17:32
schestowitz	[17:21] [Notice] -BNi to #boycottnovell- [diablod3/@diablod3] More #DMCA fun http://ur1.ca/hwx1	Dec 15 17:32
schestowitz	[17:24] <-- amarsh04 has left this server (Remote closed the connection).	Dec 15 17:32
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schestowitz	[17:26] [Notice] -BNi to #boycottnovell- [diablod3/@diablod3] Australia will soon be disconnected from the Internet http://ur1.ca/hwx5 #douchebags	Dec 15 17:32
schestowitz	[17:26] [Notice] -BNi to #boycottnovell- [diablod3/@diablod3] #Policestate beats photographers, again http://ur1.ca/hwxd	Dec 15 17:32
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schestowitz	[17:26] [Notice] -BNi to #boycottnovell- [diablod3/@diablod3] #Obama and #WarrenBuffet are related http://ur1.ca/hwxi	Dec 15 17:32
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pentarex	a btw schestowitz congrats for all you do mate ;) - all the research and everything ;)	Dec 15 17:33
schestowitz	Thanks!	Dec 15 17:33
pentarex	keep up	Dec 15 17:33
schestowitz	I hope that all this material proves helpful to some people	Dec 15 17:33
schestowitz	It recently got me into a national TV documentary :-p	Dec 15 17:33
pentarex	really ?	Dec 15 17:34
pentarex	nicee	Dec 15 17:34
schestowitz	Yeah, but in Switzerland, not the UK	Dec 15 17:34
pentarex	still	Dec 15 17:34
pentarex	:)	Dec 15 17:34
pentarex	schestowitz - where this family name comes from	Dec 15 17:34
pentarex	if its not a secret	Dec 15 17:34
pentarex	of course dunno	Dec 15 17:34
schestowitz	I've been to Switzerland about 8 times, but never was there permanently	Dec 15 17:36
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] We're doomed, Yellowstone's supervolcano is even bigger than previously realized http://ur1.ca/hwyq #science		Dec 15 17:36
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schestowitz	Someone offered to help with translation of some stuff	Dec 15 17:37
schestowitz	I know some guys does Spanish translations of it	Dec 15 17:37
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pentarex	schestowitz: what stuff ? I am Bulgarian - I can try	Dec 15 17:37
pentarex	on Bulgarian :D	Dec 15 17:37
pentarex	ok g2g	Dec 15 17:38
pentarex	bb	Dec 15 17:38
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BillGates Tightens Information/Agriculture Grip on #Africa by Funding African Journalists, Expanding to #India http://ur1.ca/hwy4		Dec 15 17:41
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bill Gates Tightens Information/Agriculture Grip on Africa by Funding African Journalists http://ur1.ca/hwy4		Dec 15 17:47
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Companies That Signed Anti- #Linux Patent and #FUD Deals with #Microsoft Also Violate the #GPL http://ur1.ca/hx37		Dec 15 18:36
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schestowitz	[18:51] <schestowitz> [18:26] <cubezzz> used netwalker on ebay $429	Dec 15 19:10
schestowitz	[18:51] <schestowitz> [18:30] <cubezzz> touchbook on ebay $399	Dec 15 19:10
schestowitz	[18:51] <schestowitz> from Japan?	Dec 15 19:10
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Freedom is Not a Religion http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/15/disinformation-freedom-is-not-religion/ #fsf #gnu		Dec 15 19:23
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cubezzz	really there is a multiplicity of Free movements	Dec 15 19:28
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cubezzz	there's GNU, Linux, BSD, X, and probably a ton of others	Dec 15 19:28
neighborlee	bsd being the most free	Dec 15 19:29
neighborlee	which is why im prob. switching to pcbsd after years of using linux	Dec 15 19:29
neighborlee	not to mention their use of PBI which is not unlike appdir in macosX	Dec 15 19:30
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cubezzz	I port code from all of those	Dec 15 19:38
neighborlee	to where	Dec 15 19:39
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cubezzz	zaurus	Dec 15 19:39
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trmanco	I can't load my identi.ca timeline :\|	Dec 15 19:53
trmanco	but I can load replies :\|	Dec 15 19:54
trmanco	strange	Dec 15 19:54
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cubezzz	some colour support in ps would be nice	Dec 15 20:03
cubezzz	time to look at procps again	Dec 15 20:06
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DaemonFC	http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2009/12/15/inconvenient-truth-gore-claims-dont-add/	Dec 15 20:12
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DaemonFC	http://www.pcworld.com/article/184678/microsoft_pulls_the_plug_for_now_on_plurk_clone.html	Dec 15 20:17
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DaemonFC	http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10415780-56.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20	Dec 15 20:18
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DaemonFC	http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/12/aussie-content-filters-work-if-you-dont-count-im-p2p-ftp.ars	Dec 15 20:20
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DaemonFC	The People's Republic of Australia blocks some more of the internet with secret government filters	Dec 15 20:20
neighborlee	DaemonFC: yeah more thievery from M$ , as if they were ever up to any good ( no good as harry would say heh)	Dec 15 20:22
DaemonFC	funny how our government is called fascist or whatever when they aren't censoring anything	Dec 15 20:23
neighborlee	DaemonFC: maybe they are blocking terrorist attacks ;))	Dec 15 20:23
DaemonFC	even if they themselves leaked it out	Dec 15 20:23
DaemonFC	the US government could block Wikileaks or other sites "they don't want you to see", but they never have	Dec 15 20:24
DaemonFC	why?	Dec 15 20:24
neighborlee	and give the public reason to not trust the government..you must be kidding ;)	Dec 15 20:25
neighborlee	they are far too clever for that	Dec 15 20:25
DaemonFC	in some ways, the US government is turning more against the citizens that live here, like the "Buy health insurance or else" bill	Dec 15 20:25
MinceR	lol @ referring to fox news	Dec 15 20:25
neighborlee	DaemonFC: I take it your ok with thousands of people dieing every year, cause they have no health care ?	Dec 15 20:26
DaemonFC	amnesty for locusts	Dec 15 20:26
neighborlee	surely I misundestood you ;)	Dec 15 20:26
DaemonFC	neighborlee: There's no health reform bill in the Senate	Dec 15 20:26
DaemonFC	it's a buy expensive health insurance or pay more tax as punishment	Dec 15 20:26
neighborlee	there is, but you might not like it	Dec 15 20:26
DaemonFC	iit's a bad bill that needs scrapped at this point	Dec 15 20:26
DaemonFC	we're better off with nothing	Dec 15 20:26
DaemonFC	it's nothing but taking money from me and giving it out to health insurance companies	Dec 15 20:27
neighborlee	well atm one senator is blocking reform, and he' s from CT :)	Dec 15 20:27
DaemonFC	it's like holding a gun to your head and making you buy bad health insurance at unreasonable prices	Dec 15 20:27
DaemonFC	neighborlee: He's blocking it cause of the Medicare buy in crap	Dec 15 20:28
DaemonFC	which also needs to go	Dec 15 20:28
neighborlee	bullshit	Dec 15 20:28
DaemonFC	we don't need to put more people on the sinking ship	Dec 15 20:28
DaemonFC	Medicare is like the Titanic	Dec 15 20:28
DaemonFC	we need to expand it to everyone or not at all	Dec 15 20:28
DaemonFC	and find a way to pay for it	Dec 15 20:28
neighborlee	so you think millllions of people on medicare,,all of a sudden are going tob e kicked out of nursing homes ?	Dec 15 20:29
neighborlee	thats lunacy	Dec 15 20:29
DaemonFC	this buy in crap just keeps the broken Medicare system and puts 3-4 million more people on it aged 55-64 to shut them up	Dec 15 20:29
DaemonFC	it's a bad thing, it can't be allowed	Dec 15 20:29
neighborlee	you have a better idea ?	Dec 15 20:29
DaemonFC	yeah, the public option plan in the house bill is much better than the Medicare Bribe-In	Dec 15 20:29
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 15 20:29
cubezzz	can't we just complain about computer stuff? :)	Dec 15 20:30
neighborlee	joe wont vote for any of it!	Dec 15 20:30
neighborlee	cubezzz: no	Dec 15 20:30
neighborlee	lol	Dec 15 20:30
cubezzz	at least that I can fix	Dec 15 20:30
neighborlee	LOL	Dec 15 20:30
DaemonFC	the Medicare Bribe is jsut that, a bribe meant to shut old people up	Dec 15 20:30
DaemonFC	while everyone under 55 is on their own	Dec 15 20:30
neighborlee	WSRONG	Dec 15 20:30
neighborlee	wrong	Dec 15 20:30
neighborlee	a single payer system is what we need FOR everyone	Dec 15 20:30
neighborlee	medicare for all	Dec 15 20:30
DaemonFC	yep, left to buy corporate insurance or pay more taxes as fine	Dec 15 20:30
DaemonFC	while the 55-64 year olds get the Bribe-In	Dec 15 20:31
neighborlee	teh current system is a joke	Dec 15 20:31
DaemonFC	it is a bullshit plan and people should be mad as hell if it passes	Dec 15 20:31
neighborlee	they put in medicare something joeliberman 'used to support;, then when it went into the bill,,he voted against it	Dec 15 20:31
neighborlee	what a chump	Dec 15 20:31
neighborlee	and we wonder why people dont like washington ;)	Dec 15 20:31
neighborlee	'we're here to work for you'...more like be SHILLS for health care companies!	Dec 15 20:32
DaemonFC	neighborlee: I don't want to be told "Buy a health insurance plan on the open market with $60 a week or more in premiums that doesn't cover anything substantial, or pay 3% higher taxes"	Dec 15 20:32
DaemonFC	do you?	Dec 15 20:32
neighborlee	thats why we need a public OPTIN	Dec 15 20:32
neighborlee	ON	Dec 15 20:32
DaemonFC	oh, and it'll have massive copays	Dec 15 20:32
DaemonFC	and massive deductibles	Dec 15 20:32
DaemonFC	just like today	Dec 15 20:32
neighborlee	to keep prices down, and give COMPETITION	Dec 15 20:32
neighborlee	otherwize yes, you will	Dec 15 20:32
neighborlee	thats why fedex and the post office exist	Dec 15 20:33
neighborlee	COMPETITION	Dec 15 20:33
DaemonFC	that's what I've been saying, the Senate Bill has no public option, just the Bribe In	Dec 15 20:33
DaemonFC	which is worse than passing nothing	Dec 15 20:33
cubezzz	you could use the money you spent on Afghanistan...	Dec 15 20:33
cubezzz	;-)	Dec 15 20:33
neighborlee	DaemonFC: but thats why, haven't you been paying attention??	Dec 15 20:33
neighborlee	DaemonFC: joe l iberman WONT VOTE for a public option	Dec 15 20:33
neighborlee	AND he wont vote for a medicare 'bribe' as you call it ;)	Dec 15 20:34
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] thank you all for your kind words. i am not injured, just v pissed off. HULK WRITE STERN LETTER!		Dec 15 20:34
DaemonFC	if there's not public option, there's no competition for the for-profit insurance cartel, and there's still the high taxes as a fine punishment for not buying it from them	Dec 15 20:34
DaemonFC	see, the whole bill breaks down without the public plan	Dec 15 20:34
neighborlee	so what IS he for..Ill tellyou what he's for..joe liberman is for all the lobby money has h as received from health care companies, as if its not already obvious;:))	Dec 15 20:34
cubezzz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_health_care	Dec 15 20:34
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DaemonFC	the Senate bill as it stands is 100% of what the health insurance and drug companies want	Dec 15 20:35
neighborlee	so if you want health care reform,,call joe libermans office and bitch	Dec 15 20:35
DaemonFC	a gun to your head from the government that forces you to hand over your money to the companies	Dec 15 20:35
neighborlee	DaemonFC: yes I know..thehouse bill is what we need,,I think..the one nancy put out	Dec 15 20:35
neighborlee	whatever her name is lol	Dec 15 20:35
DaemonFC	They want the bribe-in too, cause they don't want to cover 55+ year olds anyway	Dec 15 20:35
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DaemonFC	too much liability in exchange for the profit	Dec 15 20:36
DaemonFC	better that the governmenr, aka the tax payers, take on more burden to cover them	Dec 15 20:36
DaemonFC	*government	Dec 15 20:36
DaemonFC	the law would not let them charge more for old people jsut cause they have a lot of health problems	Dec 15 20:37
neighborlee	not the current law anyway,,the one in the new health care law anyway	Dec 15 20:37
neighborlee	or preexisting conditions, or being dropped , or caps	Dec 15 20:37
DaemonFC	you start getting real likely to have every kind of health problem in your 50s, so if the government Medicare system jsut takes them all, it means less payouts from health insurance companies that would be forced to carry them otherwise	Dec 15 20:37
neighborlee	well alot of that will go away..once people stop smoking and stop eating so damn much	Dec 15 20:38
DaemonFC	they won't	Dec 15 20:38
cubezzz	mostly people have stopped smoking	Dec 15 20:38
neighborlee	when people are at their ideal weight, their body is able to fight off disease much much easier	Dec 15 20:38
cubezzz	I almost never see it	Dec 15 20:39
DaemonFC	nothing has every stopped anyone from smoking or drinking or overeating before	Dec 15 20:39
neighborlee	cubezzz: its b ecoming much less yes	Dec 15 20:39
DaemonFC	cigarettes are like $5 a pack now and people just defraud welfare or go without food or whatever they have to do to buy them	Dec 15 20:39
cubezzz	I never smoked, and I stopped the fast food 7 years ago	Dec 15 20:39
neighborlee	It will if employers pay them for being at their ideal weight as inncentive ;)	Dec 15 20:39
DaemonFC	lots of people jsut sell their food stamps, illegally, to buy cigarettes	Dec 15 20:39
cubezzz	are food stamps transferrable?	Dec 15 20:40
DaemonFC	cubezzz: Not officially	Dec 15 20:40
DaemonFC	unofficially, yes	Dec 15 20:40
neighborlee	cubezzz: in addition to a solid workout regime too , yes	Dec 15 20:40
DaemonFC	cubezzz: Say I have $200 on a food stamp card, I walk up to you and offer to buy you $200 in groceries for $100 in cash	Dec 15 20:40
neighborlee	regimen LOL	Dec 15 20:40
DaemonFC	then I buy 4-5 cartons of cigarettes	Dec 15 20:41
DaemonFC	see how it works now?	Dec 15 20:41
cubezzz	just get a scale with AI and WIFI that communicates with McDonald's and say "Do not serve this person"	Dec 15 20:41
cubezzz	DaemonFC, yes	Dec 15 20:41
DaemonFC	if a person on food stamps sells all their food stamps for a month and some of their kids too, they'll get all th cigarettes they can smoke	Dec 15 20:41
DaemonFC	I've seen it happen a lot	Dec 15 20:41
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cubezzz	that sounds terrible	Dec 15 20:42
DaemonFC	it used to happen more when they were actual stamps and you could get cash money in change up to a certain amount	Dec 15 20:42
DaemonFC	people would go in with a $5 stamp, but a 40 cent bag (at the time) of skittles	Dec 15 20:42
DaemonFC	get $4.60 in cash, and buy a pack of cigarettes	Dec 15 20:42
DaemonFC	*buy	Dec 15 20:43
DaemonFC	actually, at the time, cigarettes were only like $1.80 a pack	Dec 15 20:43
DaemonFC	for the brand name ones	Dec 15 20:43
cubezzz	I don't think we have food stamps here	Dec 15 20:43
DaemonFC	so 2-3 packs for $4.60	Dec 15 20:43
DaemonFC	in 1993, a pack of Camels was like $1.80	Dec 15 20:44
DaemonFC	now they're like $5.40	Dec 15 20:44
DaemonFC	number of smokers hasn't decreased	Dec 15 20:44
DaemonFC	the government knows you'll smoke them no matter what they cost	Dec 15 20:44
trmanco	http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1476258&cid=30414542	Dec 15 20:44
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cubezzz	yeah, since the 40's? Big time	Dec 15 20:44
DaemonFC	so it's just more taxes under the guise of stopping smoking	Dec 15 20:44
cubezzz	and 60's	Dec 15 20:44
DaemonFC	well, you know what I mean	Dec 15 20:44
DaemonFC	the decline in smoking hit the bottom around 1990	Dec 15 20:45
DaemonFC	and even though a pack costs 350% more now, the same number of people smoke	Dec 15 20:45
cubezzz	we have pics of cancer of the tongue on our cigarette packets	Dec 15 20:45
cubezzz	if that doesn't stop people nothing will	Dec 15 20:45
DaemonFC	we have a black and white text warning that nobody will notice	Dec 15 20:45
DaemonFC	"Surgeon General's Warning: Smoking may cause pregnancy complication and low birth weight"	Dec 15 20:46
MinceR	http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/75m4h/new_economist_cover_pic/	Dec 15 20:46
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DaemonFC	"Surgeon General's Warning: Quitting smoking now may reduce serious hazards to your health."	Dec 15 20:46
DaemonFC	the ban on TV and radio ads was done at the request of the cigarette companies	Dec 15 20:47
DaemonFC	cause they didn't want to have to spend the money to out-advertise one another	Dec 15 20:47
cubezzz	hmmm	Dec 15 20:47
DaemonFC	I'm just saying that short of banning them outright, you're not going to get the US population of smokers under 20% no matter what else you do	Dec 15 20:48
DaemonFC	if they really wanted people to stop they would ban them	Dec 15 20:48
cubezzz	prohibition didn't work	Dec 15 20:48
DaemonFC	the government likes the tax revenue	Dec 15 20:48
_goblin	a smoking topic again?	Dec 15 20:49
cubezzz	making something forbidden doesn't seem to discourage people	Dec 15 20:49
_goblin	do you guys wait until I turn up on the channel? ;)	Dec 15 20:49
DaemonFC	drug companies also sell expensive stop smoking pills that don't work	Dec 15 20:49
DaemonFC	so they'll lobby to keep cigarettes legal too	Dec 15 20:49
DaemonFC	Psychiatrists twist your arm to go on Chantix	Dec 15 20:50
DaemonFC	then when you do and it doesn't work, they leave you on it for about 6 months anyway	Dec 15 20:51
DaemonFC	I've never seen Chantix cause a single person to stop smoking, despite the fact that someone makes billions of dollars a year off of it	Dec 15 20:52
MinceR	http://failblog.org/2009/12/14/eco-board-game-trivia-fail/	Dec 15 20:52
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cubezzz	haha, well I have strong willpower	Dec 15 20:52
cubezzz	not a single puff of cigarette or sip of alcohol me	Dec 15 20:53
DaemonFC	I smoked off and on for a few years	Dec 15 20:53
DaemonFC	haven't had one in over a year now	Dec 15 20:54
cubezzz	that's good	Dec 15 20:54
DaemonFC	I really took it up as kind of a self defense I think, cause of all the bars I was in and the people around me, my ex smoked	Dec 15 20:54
DaemonFC	once I got away from all that, I stopped	Dec 15 20:55
DaemonFC	when I quit, I started coughing up things of all different colors	Dec 15 20:57
DaemonFC	it was pretty damned gross	Dec 15 20:58
DaemonFC	I'd hate to see quitting after 30 years and what would happen	Dec 15 20:58
DaemonFC	http://www.tgdaily.com/sustainability-features/45069-al-gore-shoots-self-climate-summit-in-foot	Dec 15 21:00
cubezzz	well, you would probably just croak	Dec 15 21:00
neighborlee	thats nonsense	Dec 15 21:00
cubezzz	e.g. DIck York, Elizabeth Montgomery	Dec 15 21:01
cubezzz	both died in their early 60's	Dec 15 21:01
neighborlee	DaemonFC: just look at the wording this supposed 'journliast' is using..they are adhominem like attacks	Dec 15 21:01
neighborlee	wortheless,I wont even bother reading it.	Dec 15 21:01
DaemonFC	no snow on Christmas	Dec 15 21:03
DaemonFC	better call All Gore	Dec 15 21:03
DaemonFC	:P	Dec 15 21:03
DaemonFC	it rained yesterday	Dec 15 21:03
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DaemonFC	that's unusual for this point in December	Dec 15 21:04
cubezzz	-0.4 C here	Dec 15 21:05
neighborlee	very	Dec 15 21:05
cubezzz	snow	Dec 15 21:05
DaemonFC	I want to see Jesse Ventura's "Is Global Warming a Hoax?"	Dec 15 21:07
DaemonFC	you definitely have motivation to fabricate it	Dec 15 21:08
cubezzz	no, I think things are warming up	Dec 15 21:08
DaemonFC	governments wanting more control over who can have electricity, natural gas, and gasoline for example	Dec 15 21:08
cubezzz	plus the atmosphere is getting more polluted in general	Dec 15 21:08
DaemonFC	how much of a tax they can charge on heating energy for poor people	Dec 15 21:08
DaemonFC	so if things are heating up, we won't need heating oil anyway	Dec 15 21:09
DaemonFC	so it all balances out? :)	Dec 15 21:09
MinceR	yes, and once we all die, we won't need heating, cooling, food or water	Dec 15 21:10
DaemonFC	good thing, cause if the government imposes cap and trade, nobody will afford any of that anyway	Dec 15 21:10
DaemonFC	except the super rich	Dec 15 21:10
cubezzz	the super rich still need workers	Dec 15 21:11
DaemonFC	not as many as they have	Dec 15 21:11
DaemonFC	or else there wouldn't be high unemployment	Dec 15 21:11
DaemonFC	charging too much for heating oil and food just lets some of the plebians starve and freeze to death	Dec 15 21:12
DaemonFC	so there's more to go around for the rich and those lucky enough to still be needed by them	Dec 15 21:12
cubezzz	actually we are having a price war at the grocery stores in Ontario at the moment	Dec 15 21:12
cubezzz	that means lower food prices	Dec 15 21:12
cubezzz	in a slow economy that should keep prices in check	Dec 15 21:13
DaemonFC	tripling the price to heat your home and feed your children and yourself will kill off all the poor people they want gone	Dec 15 21:14
DaemonFC	the best way to do that is by telling people you need cap and trade	Dec 15 21:14
DaemonFC	you do that by making up global warming	Dec 15 21:14
DaemonFC	make sure cap and trade is signed into law and only goes into effect when you want people to know how much it really costs and why you did it	Dec 15 21:15
DaemonFC	so that's what these international treaties are all about	Dec 15 21:15
DaemonFC	Kyoto was a test run, and the next one will be the kill the poor treaty	Dec 15 21:15
DaemonFC	every government on Earth puts it into action at the same time and lets the undesirables in their social caste system die off at once	Dec 15 21:16
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Does anyone even care about the Comcast on demand streaming stuff anymore? Half the videos are streaming through Hulu http://ur1.ca/hxfi		Dec 15 21:16
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] The #BusyBox plot thickens http://ur1.ca/hxfr		Dec 15 21:16
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Democrats trying to legalize illegals while taxing them greatly... this could work to get rid of them http://ur1.ca/hxgn		Dec 15 21:21
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cubezzz	I know a bit about Eric Anderson	Dec 15 21:37
cubezzz	Lineo guy	Dec 15 21:37
cubezzz	Zaurus uses that version of busybox	Dec 15 21:37
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schestowitz	DaemonFC faux.......	Dec 15 21:54
schestowitz	sigh	Dec 15 21:54
schestowitz	Denial and all	Dec 15 21:54
schestowitz	I've just learned some interesting things... turns out that the automatd response system in Russia almost fired nukes in 1995 due to false alarm in Norway.... that's the second time already	Dec 15 21:55
schestowitz	Planes with "Sepcial weapons" (probably nuclear warheads) are being given as "gifts". Insane.	Dec 15 21:56
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schestowitz	Bunch of crazy people run things... putting populations at huge risk... and there's the bully mentality that's seen as necessary... like the mafia, wherein you show you're irrational and out of control to scare any potential dissent...	Dec 15 21:57
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schestowitz	http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/dec/14/rage-against-machines-robots	Dec 15 22:03
schestowitz	Hey, we're lacking people here. Why don't we build robots, _too_? :-)	Dec 15 22:04
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schestowitz	trmanco: re identica, it seems laggy for days now	Dec 15 22:08
trmanco	it's working again	Dec 15 22:08
schestowitz	Sometimes it would take an hour for things to show up and be passed. It's as though they have workloads issue	Dec 15 22:08
schestowitz	Digg-like caveats	Dec 15 22:08
schestowitz	BN has issues in pages with many comments... can take over a minute to load, no simple workaround	Dec 15 22:09
schestowitz	Bad code design, heavy DB queries	Dec 15 22:09
schestowitz	Some months ago identica was acting up and kept changing my language to Bugarian	Dec 15 22:09
schestowitz	"If you want to accomplish something in the world, idealism is not enough--you need to choose a method that works to achieve the goal. In other words, you need to be "pragmatic."" Richard Stallman	Dec 15 22:11
schestowitz	Interesting quote, sort of contradicting himself	Dec 15 22:11
schestowitz	http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/google-a-bigger-monopolistic-threat-than-microsoft/?cs=38137	Dec 15 22:14
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schestowitz	Here comes the talking point	Dec 15 22:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Those who are not familar with some class 'politics' may never truly appreciate freedom, let alone understand it		Dec 15 22:16
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schestowitz	http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1566251/-button-mouse-black	Dec 15 22:19
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] This is interesting practical use of microblogs: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8413128.stm		Dec 15 22:21
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trmanco	google could by mysql from oracle	Dec 15 22:23
trmanco	they use it too... a lot, right?	Dec 15 22:23
schestowitz	They could.	Dec 15 22:25
schestowitz	It would put them vs MS on another front	Dec 15 22:25
schestowitz	But they use a lot of sqlite too	Dec 15 22:26
schestowitz	Different scale, different needs/markets	Dec 15 22:26
schestowitz	Same with Oracle.... VAST DB	Dec 15 22:26
schestowitz	Firefox/Moz uses a lot of sqlite	Dec 15 22:26
schestowitz	The compact version puts all the code in a single file	Dec 15 22:27
schestowitz	It's vastly popular in devices too	Dec 15 22:27
schestowitz	http://twit.tv/floss26	Dec 15 22:27
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MinceR	i wish ff didn't completely lock all its sqlite dbs constantly though	Dec 15 22:27
schestowitz	Better than Mork	Dec 15 22:28
schestowitz	It has many issues	Dec 15 22:28
schestowitz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mork_%28file_format%29	Dec 15 22:28
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MinceR	where's Mindy?	Dec 15 22:28
schestowitz	In WIkipedia	Dec 15 22:29
schestowitz	I searched for Mork	Dec 15 22:29
schestowitz	Result #1 was Mork and Mandy Mandelson :-)	Dec 15 22:29
schestowitz	http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/2009/dec/14/busybox-gpl-lawsuit/	Dec 15 22:29
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schestowitz	Best Buy eats dirt... so good!	Dec 15 22:30
schestowitz	Best ripoff... why buy code? Just nick it.	Dec 15 22:30
schestowitz	http://nocleanfeed.com/	Dec 15 22:31
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schestowitz	Bastards. Indeed, "Republic of Australia"... bad precedence to be setting	Dec 15 22:31
schestowitz	They'll be giving Mandy Mandelson for the next 'digital' bill	Dec 15 22:32
schestowitz	Tesco apologises over 'ginger jibe' Christmas card http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/8411894.stm	Dec 15 22:32
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schestowitz	http://www.gadling.com/2009/12/01/flight-attendant-photographs-obese-passenger-safety-hazard/	Dec 15 22:36
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schestowitz	http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6108414.stm	Dec 15 22:37
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schestowitz	"There will be virtually nothing left to fish from the seas by the middle of the century if current trends continue, according to a major scientific study."	Dec 15 22:37
schestowitz	When some of us are older fish might no longer be on any menu then...	Dec 15 22:38
schestowitz	Just chicken 'factories'	Dec 15 22:38
schestowitz	Beef MinceRs with some stuff to go 'through' them	Dec 15 22:38
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schestowitz	Wow, Novell is collapsing today	Dec 15 22:41
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schestowitz	http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/12/15/sun_ditches_try_and_buy_program/	Dec 15 22:45
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schestowitz	Biden is a shill, just like cNET warned ages before the elections. http://techdirt.com/articles/20091215/0200387354.shtml	Dec 15 23:03
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_goblin	schestowitz: Roy have you got links to the other examples of MS stealing code this year?	Dec 15 23:06
_goblin	schestowitz: If so, would you mind listing them here.	Dec 15 23:06
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sebsebseb	hi	Dec 15 23:06
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DaemonFC	Indianapolis Police are on COPS B-)	Dec 15 23:27
DaemonFC	what does ender2070 say about COPS?	Dec 15 23:29
DaemonFC	liberals have funny opinions	Dec 15 23:29
schestowitz	_goblin: you deceived me on it. It was not a GPL violation, just a case of copyright infringement :-)	Dec 15 23:31
_goblin	schestowitz: ?	Dec 15 23:34
_goblin	schestowitz: Im not talking about decembers...	Dec 15 23:34
DaemonFC	hmmm, and the Speedway Police	Dec 15 23:35
DaemonFC	*suburb of Indy	Dec 15 23:35
schestowitz	_goblin: in your blog post...	Dec 15 23:36
_goblin	schestowitz: yes?	Dec 15 23:36
schestowitz	I took something literally without second-checking	Dec 15 23:36
schestowitz	I correct my post later	Dec 15 23:36
DaemonFC	I love this show	Dec 15 23:36
_goblin	which part?	Dec 15 23:36
schestowitz	DaemonFC: the cops always win	Dec 15 23:36
schestowitz	Police Chases and alll	Dec 15 23:36
schestowitz	"Good cops, good cops...."	Dec 15 23:37
DaemonFC	yeah, you can outrun a police cruiser, not their radio	Dec 15 23:37
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DaemonFC	:)	Dec 15 23:37
schestowitz	The guy who flees in a car always gets caught	Dec 15 23:37
_goblin	I thought it was clear when I said "This is the second code issue in as many months with Microsoft being alleged to have infringed on the GPL with code in their software."	Dec 15 23:37
schestowitz	Moral of the story: give up, bad guys always lose	Dec 15 23:37
schestowitz	DaemonFC: don't watch it	Dec 15 23:37
schestowitz	It's indocrination	Dec 15 23:37
_goblin	"second code issue"......"with Microsoft alleged to have infringed on the GPL"....	Dec 15 23:37
schestowitz	You linked to Fox earlier	Dec 15 23:37
schestowitz	We need to block those links ;-)	Dec 15 23:37
schestowitz	Fixed News	Dec 15 23:38
DaemonFC	how is it indoctrination when you have wife beaters, drug dealers, car thieves....	Dec 15 23:38
DaemonFC	etc	Dec 15 23:38
_goblin	schestowitz: Which part "I took something literally without second-checking"....what are you refering to?	Dec 15 23:38
schestowitz	_goblin: he made the code visible too	Dec 15 23:39
schestowitz	JavaScript	Dec 15 23:39
DaemonFC	the police usually do get those criminals, schestowitz	Dec 15 23:39
DaemonFC	know why? They tend to be stupid	Dec 15 23:39
schestowitz	So I assumed it was like the Vista 7 tool	Dec 15 23:39
schestowitz	Some JS code is GPLed	Dec 15 23:39
DaemonFC	dumb as a box of rocks, smoking too much of what they're selling	Dec 15 23:39
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 15 23:39
schestowitz	DaemonFC: usually is not a statics	Dec 15 23:39
schestowitz	Give numbers	Dec 15 23:39
schestowitz	*statistic	Dec 15 23:40
_goblin	schestowitz: ? ah...I did though make it clear that this was "theft" and not a GPL violation......it was in both the title and the text...	Dec 15 23:40
schestowitz	Those shows never show criminals escaping	Dec 15 23:40
schestowitz	Or...	Dec 15 23:40
schestowitz	They say, "he was later caught"	Dec 15 23:40
DaemonFC	seems like they bag all my former stepdad's family members every time, schestowitz	Dec 15 23:40
DaemonFC	lol	Dec 15 23:40
DaemonFC	rightfully so	Dec 15 23:40
schestowitz	DaemonFC: they can escape	Dec 15 23:40
schestowitz	Traffic thing..	Dec 15 23:41
DaemonFC	for a while	Dec 15 23:41
schestowitz	Then they flee the stolen car	Dec 15 23:41
schestowitz	And even with CCTV you cannot identify them	Dec 15 23:41
schestowitz	CCTV density is low in the US	Dec 15 23:41
DaemonFC	the police figure out who did it and get an arrest warrant	Dec 15 23:41
DaemonFC	try to go about your daily business like that	Dec 15 23:41
schestowitz	How do they "Figure out"?	Dec 15 23:41
DaemonFC	even if you create an assumed identity, you're on borrowed time	Dec 15 23:42
schestowitz	Don't forget...	Dec 15 23:42
schestowitz	Police are stupid too	Dec 15 23:42
schestowitz	Not just criminals	Dec 15 23:42
DaemonFC	my former stepdad's son did that	Dec 15 23:42
DaemonFC	fled to Alabama	Dec 15 23:42
DaemonFC	trying to escape 1 month in jail here	Dec 15 23:42
schestowitz	Not the same	Dec 15 23:42
DaemonFC	lived under a false name and worked down there without paying tax for seven years	Dec 15 23:42
schestowitz	I'm talking about police chases	Dec 15 23:42
schestowitz	The cars are usually stolen	Dec 15 23:42
DaemonFC	the cops finally caught him	Dec 15 23:43
DaemonFC	now he's in trouble for a lot of stuff including tax evasion	Dec 15 23:43
schestowitz	In a trailer park?	Dec 15 23:43
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Management Exodus at #Novell http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/15/levy-and-jaffe-jump-ship/		Dec 15 23:43
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DaemonFC	nope	Dec 15 23:43
schestowitz	McDonalds? :-)	Dec 15 23:43
DaemonFC	they pulled his friend over and checked their ID	Dec 15 23:43
schestowitz	Oh, no... not mother's basement	Dec 15 23:43
DaemonFC	he was still carrying his expired Indiana driver's license	Dec 15 23:43
DaemonFC	they ran it and it pulled up the arrest warrant	Dec 15 23:44
schestowitz	Not the same situation	Dec 15 23:45
DaemonFC	so after he spent years in an Alabama prison for the drug charges from that pullover, he got extradited to Indiana	Dec 15 23:45
schestowitz	Not a car chase	Dec 15 23:45
DaemonFC	and served another 4 years here	Dec 15 23:45
schestowitz	Welfare in prison	Dec 15 23:45
schestowitz	No pyramid building	Dec 15 23:45
DaemonFC	he's back in prison on a 15 year sentence for producing meth	Dec 15 23:45
schestowitz	Oh, it's that dude...	Dec 15 23:46
DaemonFC	it's why I call it the revolving door justice system	Dec 15 23:46
schestowitz	You know some crazy folks...	Dec 15 23:46
DaemonFC	it lets them out so they can reoffend and end up back in	Dec 15 23:46
DaemonFC	nah, I think I mentioned his daughter's husband	Dec 15 23:46
DaemonFC	the one who bailed out of his car cause the meth lab ingredients exploded	Dec 15 23:47
schestowitz	Anyway, change subject please	Dec 15 23:47
DaemonFC	when he lit his cigarette	Dec 15 23:47
DaemonFC	two different people, about equal intelligence	Dec 15 23:47
DaemonFC	it's genetic	Dec 15 23:48
DaemonFC	the whole family is a bunch of criminals	Dec 15 23:48
schestowitz	http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/12/14/oracle-mysql-powerful-combo-on-the-way/	Dec 15 23:48
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schestowitz	Not genetic	Dec 15 23:48
schestowitz	Set by example	Dec 15 23:48
DaemonFC	nope	Dec 15 23:48
DaemonFC	Trent never even lived with the scumbags but he turned out jsut like them	Dec 15 23:48
DaemonFC	rapist by age 13	Dec 15 23:48
DaemonFC	some kind of genetic white trash thing	Dec 15 23:49
DaemonFC	inbreeding may have a part of that	Dec 15 23:49
_goblin	schestowitz: Ive just read your linked article..."deceived"....was a little strong was it not? My article did make it clear that yesterdays issue was that of an allegation of theft and previous code issues were one of a GPL violation. I beleive I did make myself clear...you even quoted my words..:)	Dec 15 23:49
schestowitz	YEah	Dec 15 23:50
schestowitz	I read it wrong	Dec 15 23:50
_goblin	ah	Dec 15 23:50
_goblin	I was surprised when you said 3rd time....thats why I couldnt find 3 allegations of theft of code by MS.	Dec 15 23:50
DaemonFC	career criminality seems to me to run in families	Dec 15 23:50
DaemonFC	I mean, anyone can become a criminal under the right circumstances	Dec 15 23:50
DaemonFC	the hardcore career ones are from criminal families	Dec 15 23:51
schestowitz	Maybe they spread the genes fast	Dec 15 23:51
schestowitz	By raping /sarcasm	Dec 15 23:51
schestowitz	Opposite Darwinism	Dec 15 23:51
schestowitz	Where natural selection is ruined -- not helped -- by human advancement	Dec 15 23:52
schestowitz	Examples:	Dec 15 23:52
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] More mugging damage than I thought: really bad case damage on laptop. Work will be so pleased. Crime number tomorrow I really hope!		Dec 15 23:52
schestowitz	1) poor populations make more children	Dec 15 23:52
DaemonFC	no, they hook up with women that get pregnant and use the kids for welfare fraud	Dec 15 23:52
DaemonFC	the taxpayers raise the next generation of hardcore crooks	Dec 15 23:52
schestowitz	2) we help cure the ill and handicap, which in turn help them reproduce (I mean that politely), which sort of 'interferes' with the notion that fittest survives	Dec 15 23:53
DaemonFC	and provide incentives for the mom to make more of them	Dec 15 23:53
schestowitz	It all relates to biology	Dec 15 23:53
schestowitz	Not my ideas...	Dec 15 23:53
schestowitz	Nor is the idea that body is a device for DNA to spread itself	Dec 15 23:53
schestowitz	DaemonFC: that's good, though	Dec 15 23:54
schestowitz	More Bush voters	Dec 15 23:54
schestowitz	Eventually they are led to believe that cannon fodder is good and sent back home in a bag	Dec 15 23:54
schestowitz	Sad...	Dec 15 23:54
DaemonFC	they don't vote	Dec 15 23:54
DaemonFC	we're pretty safe	Dec 15 23:54
schestowitz	The people in power do not ever want an informed population, but they don't need workers anymore... not in the home country	Dec 15 23:54
DaemonFC	either that or they're barred from voting due to felonies	Dec 15 23:55
schestowitz	http://www.olpcnews.com/countries/uruguay/a_steep_cost_or_a_profitable_i.html	Dec 15 23:55
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schestowitz	DaemonFC: do you have felonies?	Dec 15 23:56
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Microsoft blames…….somone! – Only 1 day for this “blame” http://tinyurl.com/y9pjkx8 #microsoft #windows #xp #vista #windows7 #blame		Dec 15 23:56
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DaemonFC	people that are too irresponsible to find legitimate means of supporting themselves are not likely to vote anyway	Dec 15 23:56
DaemonFC	whether or not they've had their voting privileges taken away	Dec 15 23:56
DaemonFC	schestowitz: No felonies	Dec 15 23:56
schestowitz	You want to be a gangsta, dontcha? :-)	Dec 15 23:57
schestowitz	DaemonFC: no worries, Diebold will vote for them	Dec 15 23:58
schestowitz	The Premium Predictive Vote algorithm :-)	Dec 15 23:58
DaemonFC	cause then I could get shot 9 times and start talking weird and put that on a CD	Dec 15 23:58
DaemonFC	and become a millionaire?	Dec 15 23:58
DaemonFC	from poor people buying my CDs?	Dec 15 23:58
*lis` has quit ("baibai<3")		Dec 15 23:58
schestowitz	http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/SFLC-suit-against-Best-Buy-et-al/?kc=rss	Dec 15 23:59
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schestowitz	DaemonFC: worked for 50 Cent	Dec 15 23:59
schestowitz	The rescuer doctor later came after him for money... when he became a big star around 2001	Dec 15 23:59
schestowitz	Or 2002	Dec 15 23:59

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