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| schestowitz | OLPC became a mockups operation? http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/22/tablet-computer-negroponte-technology-cio-network-olpc.html | Dec 24 00:02 |
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| shreddar | "Skip the welcome screen | Dec 24 00:03 |
| shreddar | "Skip this welcome screen" | Dec 24 00:04 |
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| shreddar | That's a very well hidden skip add link. | Dec 24 00:05 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @_goblin Saw Avatar. What a load of rubbish IMO. Gimmicky, covert-eco message claptrap. 14 years to make? | Dec 24 00:11 | |
| cubezzz | I never go to movies | Dec 24 00:13 |
| cubezzz | the last one I saw was ROTK | Dec 24 00:13 |
| MinceR | i saw Avatar and liked it a lot | Dec 24 00:13 |
| MinceR | today | Dec 24 00:13 |
| cubezzz | I thought Spiderman 2 was OK | Dec 24 00:14 |
| cubezzz | the one with Dr Octopus | Dec 24 00:14 |
| MinceR | i liked that too | Dec 24 00:14 |
| shreddar | I liked Spiderman 1 better. | Dec 24 00:14 |
| shreddar | I'm one the only ones I think. | Dec 24 00:14 |
| shreddar | I think it's the powerranger suit issue. | Dec 24 00:15 |
| cubezzz | ummm, don't think I ever saw that one | Dec 24 00:15 |
| shreddar | Didn't bother me though. | Dec 24 00:15 |
| cubezzz | in the 70's I was all excited about "The Black Hole" and "Star Wars" | Dec 24 00:16 |
| cubezzz | but now I think those movies aren't very good :) | Dec 24 00:17 |
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| cubezzz | although I liked Logan's Run, it had a sort of different look to it | Dec 24 00:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-12-23-014-35-RV-SW-0000 "Byte would have had an in-depth article (if not a cover story) on each of these alternative operating systems. Current PC rags barely cover anything that's not a current Microsoft product or utility meant to be used with a Microsoft product. It's sad, actually." | Dec 24 00:19 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: so _Goblin just called you a 14-year-old | Dec 24 00:20 |
| MinceR | didn't he say the movie took 14 years to make? | Dec 24 00:21 |
| MinceR | (which sounds like a lot though) | Dec 24 00:21 |
| cubezzz | it felt like 14 years to _watch_ | Dec 24 00:21 |
| cubezzz | quoting... | Dec 24 00:21 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 24 00:21 |
| shreddar | The thing I hate about the Siderman sequels is the Mary Jane back and forth relationship drugging on sam raimi put in there. | Dec 24 00:21 |
| shreddar | All the old foster parents get too much screen time. | Dec 24 00:22 |
| shreddar | Thats stuff should've just stayed in the 1st movie. | Dec 24 00:22 |
| schestowitz | I once had someone use an image from my site as an avatar | Dec 24 00:23 |
| schestowitz | I replaced that image... | Dec 24 00:23 |
| schestowitz | ...with that of a dick. | Dec 24 00:23 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, yeah but we do have the Linux Journal | Dec 24 00:23 |
| cubezzz | mostly I just use the net for news | Dec 24 00:23 |
| MinceR | i expected goatse | Dec 24 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Naa | Dec 24 00:23 |
| cubezzz | umm, ok I missed something | Dec 24 00:23 |
| shreddar | Did his avatar link directly to it? | Dec 24 00:23 |
| schestowitz | I asked him politely beforehand to stop | Dec 24 00:23 |
| schestowitz | shreddar: yes | Dec 24 00:23 |
| schestowitz | I swapped filenames | Dec 24 00:24 |
| shreddar | Ha Ha! | Dec 24 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Old news anyway | Dec 24 00:24 |
| schestowitz | He was forum admin | Dec 24 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Very prominant | Dec 24 00:24 |
| schestowitz | *nent | Dec 24 00:24 |
| schestowitz | So it didn't take him long to spot his new avatar | Dec 24 00:24 |
| shreddar | Ha Ha! | Dec 24 00:25 |
| schestowitz | The guests must have thought he decided to impress women | Dec 24 00:25 |
| schestowitz | HotLinking is like allowing people to oWn you | Dec 24 00:26 |
| schestowitz | There was this politician whose Web page was altered through hotlinking to endorse the opposite candidate | Dec 24 00:27 |
| schestowitz | Some time around 2007.... can't recall the details well | Dec 24 00:27 |
| shreddar | http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/smartbooks-vs-smart-tablets-the-battle-of-2010/ | Dec 24 00:31 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Giving Chrome a look for a comparison with Chromium (since the Chromium bug is quite major to me) #chrome #chromium #foss #linux | Dec 24 00:32 | |
| cubezzz | Red Hat stock did very well today | Dec 24 00:33 |
| schestowitz | Contributors of the FSFE: Håkon Wium Lie | Dec 24 00:33 |
| schestowitz | http://fsfe.org/donate/thankgnus-2009.en.html#patrons | Dec 24 00:33 |
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| shreddar | That reminded me Sabayon finally fixed my Chromium issues with another update. | Dec 24 00:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Intel Website Hacked With SQL Injection http://bit.ly/8ZBP2z | Dec 24 00:34 | |
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| shreddar | I personally Like the idea of a Smarttablet better than a Smartbook. | Dec 24 00:39 |
| schestowitz | Jim Lynch writes some good articles these days... http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2357356,00.asp | Dec 24 00:39 |
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| schestowitz | shreddar: why? | Dec 24 00:40 |
| shreddar | One of the reasons is that I like to pick my own keyboard. On not get stuck with a crappy built in one. | Dec 24 00:40 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, size | Dec 24 00:40 |
| schestowitz | I have my Palm Tungsten with peripheral kb | Dec 24 00:40 |
| schestowitz | It's full-sized | Dec 24 00:40 |
| shreddar | Another is tablets are for those of us who like to draw. | Dec 24 00:41 |
| shreddar | And lastly I think they are cooler. | Dec 24 00:41 |
| MinceR | i have my Eee PC 1005HA with built-in keyboard, and the keyboard is big enough for me | Dec 24 00:41 |
| cubezzz | ssh into it :) | Dec 24 00:42 |
| cubezzz | ssh -X 192,168.0.101 | Dec 24 00:43 |
| shreddar | I can't wait until they start coming out with those smartbooks/ ARM netbooks. | Dec 24 00:43 |
| cubezzz | yeah I know | Dec 24 00:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.androidguys.com/2009/12/16/htc-hits-levelupstudio-with-cd-over-beautiful-widgets/ | Dec 24 00:44 |
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| cubezzz | programmers had register level access to the Amiga | Dec 24 00:44 |
| cubezzz | and we used to have register level access on the PCs too | Dec 24 00:45 |
| cubezzz | re: video cards | Dec 24 00:45 |
| cubezzz | then somewhere along the line we got DRM and closed drivers | Dec 24 00:46 |
| shreddar | http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10256356-1.html | Dec 24 00:47 |
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| shreddar | Pretty cool. | Dec 24 00:47 |
| MinceR | register-level access to hw in apps only made them non-portable and more likely to crash the system | Dec 24 00:48 |
| MinceR | and we still have register-level hw access in drivers and the kernel, if we happen to use the right OS. | Dec 24 00:48 |
| MinceR | (which is not the amiga os, of course) | Dec 24 00:48 |
| cubezzz | we're still in binary blob land though | Dec 24 00:52 |
| cubezzz | that's not portable at all | Dec 24 00:53 |
| cubezzz | we're no better off | Dec 24 00:54 |
| MinceR | apps are portable as long as they use portable APIs | Dec 24 00:54 |
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| MinceR | regardless of binary blobs | Dec 24 00:54 |
| MinceR | though in drivers you might not know what to do with the register-level access you have if the driver is a binary blob | Dec 24 00:55 |
| cubezzz | I'd rather have a slow card with a completely open driver than a fast card with a closed driver | Dec 24 00:55 |
| MinceR | video card? | Dec 24 00:56 |
| cubezzz | the trouble is, I'm not sure what card has an open driver | Dec 24 00:56 |
| cubezzz | yes | Dec 24 00:56 |
| MinceR | Intel GPUs do, except the GMA 500 | Dec 24 00:56 |
| MinceR | the drivers are in the Linux kernel | Dec 24 00:56 |
| cubezzz | can you cite a specific card, as an example? | Dec 24 00:56 |
| MinceR | GMA 950 | Dec 24 00:56 |
| MinceR | well, not a separate card | Dec 24 00:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/22/thou-shall-steal-york-vicar | Dec 24 00:56 |
| MinceR | some AMD/ATi cards are supported by open drivers; and some (or all?) NVIDIA cards are supported by nv and Nouveau | Dec 24 00:57 |
| schestowitz | RMS: "I agree fully with the churchman who told people it is better to steal food from large stores than starve." | Dec 24 00:57 |
| MinceR | in both of those latter cases, the open drivers offer worse performance than the blobs | Dec 24 00:57 |
| cubezzz | how much worse? | Dec 24 00:57 |
| MinceR | i don't know exactly | Dec 24 00:58 |
| MinceR | iirc nv and Nouveau offer no 3D acceleration, unsure about 2D acceleration | Dec 24 00:58 |
| MinceR | FLOSS AMD drivers offer either no 3D acceleration or weak 3D acceleration | Dec 24 00:58 |
| MinceR | actually Nouveau might do 3D acceleration already | Dec 24 00:58 |
| cubezzz | so really there is no open card with 3d acceleration, is that fair to say? | Dec 24 00:59 |
| MinceR | Intel GPUs have 3D acceleration | Dec 24 00:59 |
| cubezzz | http://kerneltrap.org/Interview/Michael_Meeuwisse | Dec 24 01:01 |
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| cubezzz | I vaguely recall Matrox announcing that there would be an open driver for one of their cards | Dec 24 01:04 |
| cubezzz | not sure if that ever happened | Dec 24 01:05 |
| oiaohm | Nouveau has part 3d but it no where near useable MinceR | Dec 24 01:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | the fud in here is strong | Dec 24 01:06 |
| oiaohm | Early ATI cards the open source drivers are faster than the closed source blobs. | Dec 24 01:07 |
| MinceR | well, afaik blobs don't support early ATI cards anymore | Dec 24 01:07 |
| MinceR | the idea might be that the FLOSS drivers are good enough already | Dec 24 01:07 |
| oiaohm | They stoped the blobs when the open source out performed MinceR | Dec 24 01:07 |
| MinceR | ic | Dec 24 01:07 |
| oiaohm | ATI binary driver will disappear once the open source can replace. | Dec 24 01:08 |
| oiaohm | Just building a 3d driver is not simple. | Dec 24 01:08 |
| oiaohm | All cards of ATI should have basic support by the end of Jan 2010. | Dec 24 01:09 |
| oiaohm | In open source drivers. | Dec 24 01:09 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: you're constructive, as usual :> | Dec 24 01:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | quit saying ATI foss drivers suck | Dec 24 01:10 |
| oiaohm | http://www.x.org/wiki/radeon Read the status MinceR | Dec 24 01:10 |
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| Diablo-D3 | r100 and r200 cards are fully supported | Dec 24 01:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | r300 and r400 have almost everything but shaders (which is being cured in gallium) | Dec 24 01:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | 500/600/700 are rapidly progressing | Dec 24 01:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | I should be able to ditch fglrx by the end of next year | Dec 24 01:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | on 500/600, 3D is already much faster than fglrx and ati windows, its just incomplete. | Dec 24 01:11 |
| oiaohm | Yep basic 3d works at this stage for everything bar everygreen from ATI. But the docs of that have only just been released. | Dec 24 01:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | evergreen | Dec 24 01:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | as in, trees | Dec 24 01:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | also, shaders do technically work on 500/600/700 | Dec 24 01:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres just no glsl interface yet | Dec 24 01:14 |
| oiaohm | No ATI chipset evergreen Diablo-D3 | Dec 24 01:14 |
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| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: you said everygreen. | Dec 24 01:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | I was correcting you | Dec 24 01:15 |
| oiaohm | Opps I did not even see it. | Dec 24 01:15 |
| oiaohm | Thanks for the correct Diablo-D3 | Dec 24 01:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | I cant wait until the gallium glsl shits done | Dec 24 01:16 |
| oiaohm | Evergreen major delay is that mode setting is not wanting to work right. | Dec 24 01:16 |
| MinceR | yay, ancient ATI chipsets are already supported | Dec 24 01:16 |
| MinceR | isn't that great. | Dec 24 01:16 |
| oiaohm | Remember at the start of 2009 the ancient ATI chipsets were not perfect either MinceR | Dec 24 01:17 |
| oiaohm | So resources were having to be poored into them. | Dec 24 01:17 |
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| shreddar | http://www.htlounge.net/art/10356/new-android-smartbook-from-notion-with-pixel-qi-display.html | Dec 24 01:19 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: New Android SMARTBOOK from Notion with Pixel Qi display | High Tech Lounge .::. Size~: 24.74 KB | Dec 24 01:19 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: That almost all work is some form is a massive achivement in itself. | Dec 24 01:20 |
| cubezzz | it's progress | Dec 24 01:21 |
| schestowitz | It's gotta be INNOVA~1 | Dec 24 01:21 |
| oiaohm | 2010 is going to be interesting thinking the open source nvidia driver will go mainline kernel. | Dec 24 01:22 |
| MinceR | Nouveau? | Dec 24 01:23 |
| oiaohm | Yep MinceR | Dec 24 01:23 |
| MinceR | that's good but that driver is still far from complete ...and gets no help from nvidia | Dec 24 01:24 |
| oiaohm | Nouveau will run all Nvidia cards at a basic level. And some with reasonable opengl support. | Dec 24 01:24 |
| oiaohm | They are to the point now that only the latest Nvidia cards need firmware. Every other Nvidia card will operate without it MinceR | Dec 24 01:25 |
| oiaohm | Remember being mainline kernel will speed up Nouveau development. | Dec 24 01:26 |
| MinceR | we'll see | Dec 24 01:27 |
| oiaohm | It always does MinceR | Dec 24 01:27 |
| oiaohm | Keeping in sync with mainline kernel takes lots of time. When mainline that syncing is lot less so developers have more time working on the driver. | Dec 24 01:28 |
| oiaohm | The question is how much will it speed up Nouveau development. | Dec 24 01:28 |
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| oiaohm | Realtime tree merge into Mainline Linux kernel should complete in 2010 as well. | Dec 24 01:30 |
| MinceR | RTOS capability? | Dec 24 01:33 |
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| oiaohm | Yep MinceR | Dec 24 01:36 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Feeling feverish today :( and now trying to book a tatkal ticket | Dec 24 02:29 | |
| schestowitz | BN server up for almost 4 months..... "top - 16:51:36 up 113 days, 7:12, 2 users, load average: 2.96, 2.42, 2.16" | Dec 24 02:40 |
| schestowitz | http://linux.bihlman.com/2009/12/22/computer-operating-systems-which-one-is-right-for-you/ wow. this is very poorly written and light on facts, heavy on myths | Dec 24 02:40 |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm, it now costs more to download a PC game than to buy it on DVD | Dec 24 06:06 |
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| neighborlee | Depends on the game | Dec 24 06:35 |
| Omar87 | http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/12/22/firefox-35-most-popular-browser/# | Dec 24 07:08 |
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| DaemonFC | hmm, jono is never here when I want to ask something | Dec 24 08:19 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Church recruiting drive targets two-year-olds - After the systematic paedophilia by the Priesthood? http://tinyurl.com/ycwvq5v | Dec 24 09:24 | |
| DaemonFC | Get them indoctrinated before they're old enough to make up their mind | Dec 24 09:38 |
| DaemonFC | if they wait til they can make up their minds, most are lost to them | Dec 24 09:38 |
| schestowitz | Not indoctrinate, they call it "Educate" | Dec 24 09:53 |
| schestowitz | You are not educated until you behave like you are told and absorb all the value that act as a glue.... patents mean innovations, companies make our jobs, the government is always there to protect us from businesses, and it is your duty to spread democracy with ammunition :-) :-) | Dec 24 09:54 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCxgmPEt7Y4&feature=related | Dec 24 10:01 |
| DaemonFC | funny | Dec 24 10:02 |
| schestowitz | I don't get it | Dec 24 10:14 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Domains Host #Pharmaceutical SPAM , #Australian #Government Suffocates the Internet http://ur1.ca/ih3q | Dec 24 10:29 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft Domains Host Pharmaceutical SPAM, Australian Government Suffocates the Internet | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 109.4 KB | Dec 24 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz? | Dec 24 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | You've never seen Mr. Rogers? | Dec 24 10:29 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I have, but not that I can recall him as a person | Dec 24 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, you'd have to be living under a rock to not know him in the US or Canada | Dec 24 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | he was on TV for 40 years | Dec 24 10:34 |
| schestowitz | Did they take innocent things and pretended voiceover beeps hide something bad? | Dec 24 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Dec 24 10:34 |
| schestowitz | Either way, I don't watch him | Dec 24 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | he even testified before the Supreme Court in the BetaMax case, when the movie studios were suing to try to make the VCR illegal | Dec 24 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | he supported the right to use your VCR to time shift programs | Dec 24 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The idea of imagining Mr. Rogers saying or doing anything foul is hilarious, so hence the unnecessary censorship thing | Dec 24 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | so I'd say that was the best they'll ever do on the unnecessary censorship skit | Dec 24 10:37 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Did you see the new Opera 10.5 pre-alpha supports Aero and Aero Peek? | Dec 24 10:39 |
| DaemonFC | it also accelerates page rendering through DirectX or OpenGl | Dec 24 10:39 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I thought it was an actor for Kimmel's show | Dec 24 10:40 |
| schestowitz | BTW, I don't know his show, either... just from the Internet, when he mocked Microsoft....... | Dec 24 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | he did? | Dec 24 10:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | jimmy kimmel is a douche, schestowitz | Dec 24 10:40 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Opera is proprietary, so I don't care | Dec 24 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3: Kimmel was co-host of The Man Show | Dec 24 10:41 |
| schestowitz | I watched that | Dec 24 10:41 |
| schestowitz | Also on the Net | Dec 24 10:41 |
| schestowitz | Clips of it anyway | Dec 24 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6651/90139181.png | Dec 24 10:41 |
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| DaemonFC | Opera 10.5 on my system, it's obvious they're copying Chrome | Dec 24 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | though Firefox nightlies do support Aero and Aero Peek | Dec 24 10:43 |
| DaemonFC | they have similar plans to use DirectX and OpenGL | Dec 24 10:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Miguel de Icaza: “We Have Removed All of the #GPL Code” ( #MonoDevelop ) #mono #novell http://ur1.ca/ih40 | Dec 24 10:44 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: kde4 with FF is better | Dec 24 10:45 |
| schestowitz | Also looks better and has more function | Dec 24 10:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | FFFFWHAT?!r esdfdvc | Dec 24 10:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | aszdgkbvj hgzdxc | Dec 24 10:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | szdgfjkssZX{Kvgorj | Dec 24 10:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | aewrfipgjgzsd | Dec 24 10:45 |
| schestowitz | Does Windows have folderview equivalent yet? | Dec 24 10:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | wait | Dec 24 10:45 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they haven't copied that yet | Dec 24 10:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: that means he removed all of mono | Dec 24 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox has the same features under Linux as it does on Windows or Mac OS X | Dec 24 10:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | clearly miguel is a hero | Dec 24 10:45 |
| schestowitz | They copied over kde4 stuff | Dec 24 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | except with reduced functionality of Flash | Dec 24 10:45 |
| schestowitz | What is Flash? | Dec 24 10:46 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Dec 24 10:46 |
| schestowitz | Oh, it's that turd which has videos in it | Dec 24 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | Adobe is dragging ass on supporting webcams and embedded USB microphones on Linux | Dec 24 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | half of webcams don't work | Dec 24 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | half of those have no functional mic | Dec 24 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | it's one of the two major reasons I still have a Windows partition | Dec 24 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | you never know what works, and to what extent, until you plug your $80 webcam in and it may or may not | Dec 24 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | never know til you buy it because things like the compatibility lists are usually unmaintained or list them by some model number or what chipset they have inside which you have no way of knowing | Dec 24 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm gave me a site which listed compatible TV tuners once and my head about exploded before I gave up and went away | Dec 24 10:50 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Samurai Jack is still cool http://ur1.ca/ih47 | Dec 24 10:54 | |
| oiaohm | 80 dollar web cam is a prity good bet these days. | Dec 24 10:55 |
| oiaohm | More and more of them are being built with the same interface so use the same driver. | Dec 24 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: Not if you use Flash | Dec 24 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | the only things that work with my webcam on Linux worth mentioning are Cheese, VLC, and Skype | Dec 24 10:55 |
| oiaohm | Ok so it works. | Dec 24 10:56 |
| oiaohm | Next is setting up emulation for flash. Ok walk from hell. | Dec 24 10:56 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Mono rejects !FreeSoftware #GPL herritage to go suck #Microsoft off instead http://ur1.ca/ih40 !monofree | Dec 24 10:59 | |
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| oiaohm | Issue is flash still expects drivers to be v4l version1. Most Linux stuff is v4l2 is version 2. If you run flash 10 beta it supports v4l2 DaemonFC or you take the path of hell setting up the emulation. | Dec 24 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | the cam works | Dec 24 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | no mic does | Dec 24 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | the one in the cam doesn't, my Logitech headset doesn't | Dec 24 11:02 |
| oiaohm | The logitech headset should work at least as basic audio. | Dec 24 11:06 |
| oiaohm | If someome build the usb audio support into Linux kernel. | Dec 24 11:07 |
| DaemonFC | not with Flash | Dec 24 11:07 |
| oiaohm | Without flash do they work. | Dec 24 11:07 |
| DaemonFC | seems like every time I get a program on Linux to do what it ought to, I spent 3 hours jury rigging it | Dec 24 11:08 |
| oiaohm | Ie flash 9 is a major prick to get working. Pulseaudio + flash is even worse. | Dec 24 11:08 |
| oiaohm | Flash is mostly that a few things have changed on it and it has not kept up. | Dec 24 11:08 |
| DaemonFC | or I'm using two programs because half of each one doesn't do what I need | Dec 24 11:09 |
| oiaohm | Flash when vista was released was the same issue. Adobe kinda takes a while to respond to change. | Dec 24 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | it seems to care about 100 times more if Flash on Windows is working | Dec 24 11:10 |
| DaemonFC | for years, they didn't even bother having a Linux Flash at all | Dec 24 11:10 |
| DaemonFC | you have to use Flash 7 on FreeBSD, using Flash 9 or 10 requires the Linux version of Flash and Firefox | Dec 24 11:11 |
| oiaohm | The beta 10 is looking prity good. Just wish Adobe would get it to production release so people like you were not suffering as much DaemonFC | Dec 24 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: How long has Flash for x86-64 been in alpha? | Dec 24 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | almost two years I think | Dec 24 11:12 |
| oiaohm | Yep | Dec 24 11:12 |
| oiaohm | so flash 9 is over 2 year old code trying to work on more modern stuff. | Dec 24 11:13 |
| oiaohm | Just happens Audio and Video input has had a major overhauls in that time. | Dec 24 11:13 |
| DaemonFC | and Flash on Linux only works at all on x86 as I understand | Dec 24 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | so ARM or PPC users have nothing | Dec 24 11:14 |
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| oiaohm | Arm and ppc are stuck to qemu to emulate x86 or open source flash or pay adobe a licence DaemonFC | Dec 24 11:14 |
| oiaohm | Yes Adobe does have a arm and ppc versions of flash for Linux they are just not free. | Dec 24 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | how much? | Dec 24 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | someone should buy one license and put the binary on a torrent website | Dec 24 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 24 11:16 |
| oiaohm | Must be aquire in volume. | Dec 24 11:16 |
| oiaohm | And on a per device base. | Dec 24 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | so one could copy the file and upload it somewhere | Dec 24 11:16 |
| oiaohm | Ie manufactors can buy it. | Dec 24 11:16 |
| oiaohm | End users cannot. | Dec 24 11:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Support for the #HoloPro (Video) http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/24/holopro-linux/ | Dec 24 11:16 | |
| DaemonFC | who cares about buying it? | Dec 24 11:16 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Linux Support for the HoloPro (Video) | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 105.99 KB | Dec 24 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | just copy it for everyone | Dec 24 11:16 |
| oiaohm | Some phones DaemonFC | Dec 24 11:16 |
| oiaohm | And other devices like that running flash. | Dec 24 11:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IBM Patents #Patent Harvesting, Bilski Still in IBM’s David Kappos Hands to Decide http://ur1.ca/ih4n | Dec 24 11:17 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Patents Roundup: IBM Patents Patent Harvesting, Bilski Still in IBMs David Kappos Hands to Decide | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 112.2 KB | Dec 24 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: What do you think of those PC in a keyboard deals? | Dec 24 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | I'm wondering if they have a hard drive or if you have to buy one or something | Dec 24 11:18 |
| oiaohm | I suspect solid state DaemonFC | Dec 24 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | not for $99 | Dec 24 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | the SSD alone would cost more than that | Dec 24 11:18 |
| oiaohm | You would have to be nuts to put a harddrive in something like a keyboard that can be tipped quicky. | Dec 24 11:19 |
| oiaohm | Not a small SSD DaemonFC | Dec 24 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | shock resistant hard drives | Dec 24 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | laptops have had them for years | Dec 24 11:19 |
| oiaohm | Keyboard less mass than laptop. | Dec 24 11:19 |
| oiaohm | Faster turning. | Dec 24 11:19 |
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| oiaohm | Ie nuts at this stage DaemonFC | Dec 24 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | I was considering getting one of those things for my mom | Dec 24 11:20 |
| oiaohm | Like early netbooks first ones were only solid state until one brand of harddrive was proven suitable for the speed of roation. | Dec 24 11:20 |
| oiaohm | Ie seagates | Dec 24 11:20 |
| DaemonFC | I just want something simple that she won't be calling and asking me how to use every 5 minutes | Dec 24 11:20 |
| oiaohm | Also remember most laptops are not a normal keyboard so proper typists cannot type on them at speed. If that typist happens to be a thumpper it not going to be fun for the harddrive. | Dec 24 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.dell.com/us/en/corp/desktops/inspiron-zino-hd/pd.aspx?refid=inspiron-zino-hd&s=corp | Dec 24 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | Dell trying to ape the Mac Mini 5 years later | Dec 24 11:23 |
| oiaohm | Remember old school proper typist of the old gear based type writers. You mum might be one DaemonFC | Dec 24 11:23 |
| oiaohm | It would pay to know when buying anything with a keyboard on. | Dec 24 11:23 |
| oiaohm | I like the idea of the 99 dollar keyboard for the right people. DaemonFC | Dec 24 11:25 |
| oiaohm | I wonder with the zino if it is not just a Mac Mini case rebranded DaemonFC | Dec 24 11:26 |
| DaemonFC | it has better hardware | Dec 24 11:26 |
| amarsh04 | cubezzz, you mentioned that one of the last movies you saw was ROTK... I just watched the fan made http://www.thehuntforgollum.com/ (flash required) and it was pretty impressive | Dec 24 11:27 |
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| oiaohm | Does not mean its not the same case DaemonFC | Dec 24 11:28 |
| ThistleWeb | hunt for gollum is very impressive for a fan movie | Dec 24 11:35 |
| ThistleWeb | some of the star wars fan movies are good too, but there's plenty bad ones too | Dec 24 11:36 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Lucas doesn't sue over fan movies and stuff as long as you don't try to sell them | Dec 24 11:38 |
| amarsh04 | one of the commenters on "The Hunt For Gollum" on imdb.com also recommended some star trek fan made stuff done in the style of The Original Series (which includes the NBC and Desilu stuff at beginning and end) | Dec 24 11:39 |
| amarsh04 | this was the site: http://www.StarTrekPhase2.com | Dec 24 11:55 |
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| *amarsh04 is listening to http://www.softwarefreedom.org/podcast/2009/dec/22/0x1D/ | Dec 24 12:03 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.osnews.com/story/22652/Google_Phone_Specifications_Hands-on_Video Hmm the specs of that are more powerful than lot of netbooks | Dec 24 12:10 |
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| DaemonFC | I can't believe there's still outfits managing to sell people compression/decompression software for $20-$50 | Dec 24 12:20 |
| DaemonFC | I remember "back in the day" when pkzip and pkunzip were my two most typed commands in DOS | Dec 24 12:21 |
| DaemonFC | ohhhh, memories (of unregistered shareware) | Dec 24 12:21 |
| amarsh04 | way back when I bought a licence for PAK for MS-DOS | Dec 24 12:21 |
| *DaemonFC has warm feeling all over | Dec 24 12:21 | |
| amarsh04 | and zmodem from Omen | Dec 24 12:21 |
| amarsh04 | and "As Easy As" | Dec 24 12:22 |
| DaemonFC | I mainly use 7z (7zip) as my preferred compression format | Dec 24 12:22 |
| DaemonFC | people always ask what the hell is that, and it's a good chance to tell them about one of the most useful free software utilities out there | Dec 24 12:23 |
| DaemonFC | it gets a much better compression ratio than ZIP and RAR | Dec 24 12:24 |
| DaemonFC | anyway, I got started on this because Windows directed me to StuffIt ($40) or Winzip ($30) when I tried to open a gzip file | Dec 24 12:25 |
| DaemonFC | 7zip can open them for free, but they would never mention it obviously | Dec 24 12:26 |
| oiaohm | Remember you can sell people a paper bag with nothing in it. | Dec 24 12:27 |
| amarsh04 | ah, they're called 7za and 7z on my GNU/Linux installation | Dec 24 12:27 |
| oiaohm | And people will be dumb enough at times to think nothing exists.. | Dec 24 12:28 |
| amarsh04 | and 7zr | Dec 24 12:28 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder what Windows tries to sell you when you double click a 7z file | Dec 24 12:28 |
| DaemonFC | probably Winzip and other related crap again | Dec 24 12:28 |
| oiaohm | http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2009/12/microsoft-loses-appeal-on-cust.html OOXML might be dead man walking. | Dec 24 12:31 |
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| DaemonFC | Microsoft said they're going to remove that feature | Dec 24 12:34 |
| oiaohm | But is a fundemental part of the OOXML spec. | Dec 24 12:35 |
| oiaohm | Ok for MS it is. Most of the backward compad not well documented bits of OOXML are it. | Dec 24 12:36 |
| oiaohm | Also result since patent is not under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_and_Non_Discriminatory_Licensing it give iso the option to push OOXML back to the starting blocks. | Dec 24 12:39 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7654 LOL | Dec 24 12:42 |
| amarsh04 | the author didn't explain a use for the word 'tarballs' though - presumably he meant software provided in source code form | Dec 24 12:45 |
| oiaohm | Known that author he ment both. | Dec 24 12:45 |
| oiaohm | Binaries and source in tarballs | Dec 24 12:46 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/12/kinkos-for-kidneys.php this might solve the organ donation problem. | Dec 24 12:47 |
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| koolhead17 | hi all | Dec 24 13:01 |
| oiaohm | Hi koolhead17 | Dec 24 13:03 |
| koolhead17 | oiaohm: wassup? | Dec 24 13:04 |
| oiaohm | This is a slow news time. | Dec 24 13:08 |
| koolhead17 | when is it on extreme? | Dec 24 13:09 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just stumbled upon _another_ Ubuntu planet. This time "Ubuntu Cloud Planet" http://bit.ly/19wXa1 | Dec 24 13:35 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just realised this is the first Xmas eve for years where I've not gone to London to shop. Withdrawal. | Dec 24 13:46 | |
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| oiaohm | Normally koolhead17 new years and 3 months before chrismas. | Dec 24 14:11 |
| koolhead17 | hehe.was it same last yr | Dec 24 14:11 |
| koolhead17 | :P | Dec 24 14:11 |
| koolhead17 | oiaohm: | Dec 24 14:11 |
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| oiaohm | Ok not exactly new years. All of jan. | Dec 24 14:22 |
| koolhead17 | oiaohm: okey | Dec 24 14:23 |
| oiaohm | Lot of companies like to fire off new products at that time. It slow other wise. | Dec 24 14:23 |
| oiaohm | Normally due to people over spending for chrismas. | Dec 24 14:23 |
| koolhead17 | heh ok | Dec 24 14:23 |
| koolhead17 | you a economist/market guy something | Dec 24 14:23 |
| koolhead17 | :P | Dec 24 14:23 |
| oiaohm | It news and basic economist/market things line up. | Dec 24 14:24 |
| koolhead17 | heh | Dec 24 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Like apple has already giving notice they are going to do something special for jan. Just not telling anyone what it is yet. | Dec 24 14:25 |
| koolhead17 | sleeping with something | Dec 24 14:25 |
| koolhead17 | :P | Dec 24 14:25 |
| koolhead17 | wt else they will do | Dec 24 14:26 |
| MinceR | they'll do what they always do, make hype | Dec 24 14:26 |
| oiaohm | More hype equals more IT news to dig through. | Dec 24 14:26 |
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| MinceR | more noise in IT news, that is | Dec 24 14:28 |
| koolhead17 | more bandwidth waste :P | Dec 24 14:31 |
| oiaohm | Linux has more of the regular news than the rest of the industiry. | Dec 24 14:35 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Blu-ray players could top the Christmas list, but the format has a long way to go - DRM not mentioned http://tinyurl.com/ydxorqf | Dec 24 14:40 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I just got my Chistmas pressie; my Mint finally remembered not to mute the sound when it rebooted, maybe it just forgot to annoy me :/ | Dec 24 14:54 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sunil_abraham: RT @pranesh_prakash: @paulocoelho on why he loves piracy and giving away books for free: http://tr.im/IvhA | Dec 24 17:12 | |
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| schestowitz | Just jumped in to say: merry xmas, everyone | Dec 24 19:40 |
| mikeyc | merry xmas roy | Dec 24 19:40 |
| schestowitz | You're coming in tomorrow? | Dec 24 19:41 |
| koolhead17 | santa get me some beer | Dec 24 19:41 |
| koolhead17 | :P | Dec 24 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Well, that's what folks here do | Dec 24 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Out for beer | Dec 24 19:41 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: Craig's going out for booze. The holiday is now about consumption and beer :-) Not eggnog, either | Dec 24 19:42 |
| koolhead17 | i need beer mikeyc | Dec 24 19:42 |
| koolhead17 | :p | Dec 24 19:42 |
| mikeyc | I am drinking jamesons | Dec 24 19:43 |
| mikeyc | tomorrow, maybe | Dec 24 19:43 |
| koolhead17 | wtf novell sleeps with m$ and still not get aids | Dec 24 19:43 |
| koolhead17 | mikeyc: u in india or woot | Dec 24 19:43 |
| koolhead17 | :P | Dec 24 19:43 |
| mikeyc | what time you in tomoz roy, it is 10 till 2 | Dec 24 19:44 |
| schestowitz | koolhead17: you know him? | Dec 24 19:44 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: was gonna take a day off, unless you go too | Dec 24 19:44 |
| koolhead17 | schestowitz:whom | Dec 24 19:45 |
| mikeyc | i gotta be at home, got family over, ste ho might be there though | Dec 24 19:45 |
| koolhead17 | i heard novell and m$ having sex and as result of that few gnome kids gettin hyperactive | Dec 24 19:46 |
| schestowitz | hyper-vective | Dec 24 19:48 |
| koolhead17 | schestowitz:i mean fskers surviving on microsuck money and lefty is one of them | Dec 24 19:49 |
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| trmanco | http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/ai8vm/all_gpled_code_removed_from_monodevelop_now/ | Dec 24 19:50 |
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| koolhead17 | trmanco: result of sex between novell amd m$ | Dec 24 19:52 |
| trmanco | lol | Dec 24 19:52 |
| _goblin | He's nearly here..... :) | Dec 24 19:52 |
| _goblin | I hope everyone is having a nice xmas eve.... | Dec 24 19:53 |
| koolhead17 | trmanco: thats a truth man.these fscking gnome developers sleeping with novell and givin arse to m$ | Dec 24 19:53 |
| koolhead17 | _goblin: :P | Dec 24 19:53 |
| trmanco | not all GNome devs do that | Dec 24 19:53 |
| koolhead17 | trmanco: yes but fskers like lwfty | Dec 24 19:53 |
| koolhead17 | *lefty | Dec 24 19:53 |
| _goblin | rather a rude chap. | Dec 24 19:54 |
| trmanco | is he a dev? | Dec 24 19:54 |
| koolhead17 | whose arse is paid | Dec 24 19:54 |
| _goblin | ive had dealings with Lefty before... | Dec 24 19:54 |
| koolhead17 | funded by m$ | Dec 24 19:54 |
| _goblin | he's not very quick though... | Dec 24 19:54 |
| koolhead17 | _goblin: he is cheap and sold to m$ 4 sure | Dec 24 19:54 |
| koolhead17 | :P | Dec 24 19:54 |
| _goblin | and in his case its start typing engage brain later. | Dec 24 19:55 |
| _goblin | Ive yet to meet anyone with a good word to say about him... | Dec 24 19:55 |
| _goblin | but hey, its xmas.....good will to all men, including lefty. | Dec 24 19:55 |
| _goblin | Is roy here...? | Dec 24 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Yo | Dec 24 19:56 |
| _goblin | Hi! | Dec 24 19:56 |
| koolhead17 | may santa give some good word to his soul | Dec 24 19:56 |
| koolhead17 | hey guys hello all | Dec 24 19:56 |
| _goblin | Roy, you doing anything for xmas hols? | Dec 24 19:57 |
| koolhead17 | am n00b here | Dec 24 19:57 |
| koolhead17 | who is roy | Dec 24 19:57 |
| koolhead17 | :P | Dec 24 19:57 |
| _goblin | Roy runs the site Boycott Novell.....and its chat room. | Dec 24 19:57 |
| _goblin | and he's a bloody fine chap! | Dec 24 19:58 |
| schestowitz | You don't know me, though :-) | Dec 24 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Actually, mikeyc is the only person here who knows me | Dec 24 19:59 |
| _goblin | a bloody fine virtual chap? | Dec 24 19:59 |
| _goblin | a bloody fine or e-chap? | Dec 24 20:00 |
| _goblin | nope..I got it .....iChap. | Dec 24 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Dec 24 20:00 |
| schestowitz | They know me as text, not as a person | Dec 24 20:00 |
| _goblin | true... | Dec 24 20:00 |
| schestowitz | People like RMS wjo travel travel a lot get to meet people more | Dec 24 20:01 |
| mikeyc | nope all wrong, i've known roy for a number of years we go to the same gym, he's a good bloke. | Dec 24 20:01 |
| mikeyc | i'm sure you all think the same:) | Dec 24 20:02 |
| schestowitz | The trolls would not like to think that | Dec 24 20:02 |
| schestowitz | They spread libel | Dec 24 20:02 |
| _goblin | Roy, meant to ask did you ever find out anything else on the bing vid? | Dec 24 20:02 |
| schestowitz | The worst ones are libellous allegations that I have Asperger's syndrome | Dec 24 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Actually, the worst one say I changed sx | Dec 24 20:03 |
| mikeyc | are there trolls here now? | Dec 24 20:03 |
| schestowitz | No | Dec 24 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Although some people watch over to heckle, they keep quiet | Dec 24 20:03 |
| mikeyc | invite them to the midland for a cup of tea with us:) | Dec 24 20:03 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: the video was fake | Dec 24 20:04 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: the trolls though are not sociable | Dec 24 20:04 |
| mikeyc | stands to reason | Dec 24 20:04 |
| mikeyc | they never could be | Dec 24 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Evidence suggest that they are sensitive enough to go totally insane and change genders. | Dec 24 20:04 |
| mikeyc | i suppose | Dec 24 20:04 |
| schestowitz | In another case, the guy wept | Dec 24 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Had they had lives, they would not stalk or troll | Dec 24 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Apropos... | Dec 24 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Is Steve waiting outside Vicky's house.. :-D ? | Dec 24 20:06 |
| mikeyc | i am wrapping pressies | Dec 24 20:06 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: Fake? 100% cert? | Dec 24 20:06 |
| schestowitz | They ought to give you a trophy | Dec 24 20:06 |
| mikeyc | saw joey today, you know, our other 'efriend':) | Dec 24 20:07 |
| schestowitz | There's that thing on display, but they let the event get more rusty, which is a shame, IMHO | Dec 24 20:07 |
| schestowitz | THe glamour of the whole thing just ain't the same... same with the Cliff Haroppe Challenge | Dec 24 20:07 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: nixdreport said they admitted it was promoting a film | Dec 24 20:08 |
| _goblin | ah | Dec 24 20:08 |
| mikeyc | is ho stalking vicky? | Dec 24 20:08 |
| _goblin | good job I chose my words carefully on the article... | Dec 24 20:08 |
| koolhead17 | just wrote comment on fsckin lefty blog | Dec 24 20:09 |
| koolhead17 | :P | Dec 24 20:09 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: don't know. Is he? | Dec 24 20:09 |
| schestowitz | I spoke to her about it, sort of | Dec 24 20:09 |
| mikeyc | what was said | Dec 24 20:09 |
| koolhead17 | schestowitz what is royz nick here | Dec 24 20:10 |
| koolhead17 | :P | Dec 24 20:10 |
| schestowitz | I was talking about Steve idolising people | Dec 24 20:10 |
| mikeyc | is he idolising her | Dec 24 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Not just her, methinks | Dec 24 20:11 |
| schestowitz | I think that a lot of 'sick' people can be like that | Dec 24 20:12 |
| mikeyc | go on then spill the beans | Dec 24 20:12 |
| mikeyc | craig? | Dec 24 20:12 |
| mikeyc | amanda? | Dec 24 20:12 |
| schestowitz | It leads them to become OCD-like stalkers and harassers | Dec 24 20:12 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: no beans to spill, but he's jealous of you too, I think | Dec 24 20:12 |
| mikeyc | yes i reckon | Dec 24 20:12 |
| schestowitz | It explains why he's being like it | Dec 24 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Belittling your achievements | Dec 24 20:13 |
| mikeyc | what makes you say that then | Dec 24 20:13 |
| mikeyc | what has he said | Dec 24 20:13 |
| schestowitz | It's like the guy pulling the classmate's braids... it doesn't mean he hates her | Dec 24 20:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Oh dear, Chromium bug seems to have become worse in the nightly build. Im currently running Chrome for a "face off" article... #chrome | Dec 24 20:13 | |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: he said nothing, I speculate based on very deep questions I ask | Dec 24 20:13 |
| schestowitz | _goblin is good at that too, judging characters | Dec 24 20:13 |
| mikeyc | i haven't spoke to him for a while, hoping he develops an ocd like obsession with someone else:) | Dec 24 20:14 |
| _goblin | :) I make a living out of it. | Dec 24 20:14 |
| schestowitz | It's fun | Dec 24 20:14 |
| schestowitz | I like asking people questions they don't expect | Dec 24 20:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Historic "change nothing" health care bill passes http://newstechnica.com/?p=939 | Dec 24 20:14 | |
| schestowitz | And test their reaction to it | Dec 24 20:14 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Historic change nothing health care bill passes | NewsTechnica .::. Size~: 38.36 KB | Dec 24 20:14 |
| schestowitz | I generally love talking to people | Dec 24 20:15 |
| mikeyc | I'd leave him if i were you, he might start to get fatally attracted to you, then you'll be sorry | Dec 24 20:15 |
| _goblin | if ever you see me say "So you are saying that....." its a tell tale sign I have them trapped and they can only dig themselves deeper. | Dec 24 20:15 |
| _goblin | "I put it to you" is never a good sign either | Dec 24 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Needs context | Dec 24 20:16 |
| schestowitz | I don't get it, unless you put words in someone's mouth | Dec 24 20:16 |
| schestowitz | There's this BBC show, HARD Talk | Dec 24 20:16 |
| schestowitz | I hare the guy that's on it | Dec 24 20:16 |
| _goblin | for example....... | Dec 24 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Basically, he brings in these smart lads and then _tells_ them what people think of them | Dec 24 20:17 |
| schestowitz | RIdicule->defense | Dec 24 20:17 |
| koolhead17 | guys i find alone hee | Dec 24 20:17 |
| koolhead17 | :( | Dec 24 20:18 |
| schestowitz | What's wrong? | Dec 24 20:18 |
| koolhead17 | i mean i donno anyone here | Dec 24 20:18 |
| koolhead17 | :P | Dec 24 20:18 |
| koolhead17 | i want intro of you folks | Dec 24 20:18 |
| koolhead17 | :P | Dec 24 20:18 |
| _goblin | :) | Dec 24 20:18 |
| _goblin | intro? | Dec 24 20:18 |
| schestowitz | OK, you know me, sort of | Dec 24 20:18 |
| schestowitz | There's thing band called Intro I used to like | Dec 24 20:19 |
| *koolhead17 kicks schestowitz :P | Dec 24 20:19 | |
| _goblin | Goblin - A rapidly approaching middle age family man, who uses too much of his spare time to dabble with Linux/FOSS/blogs. | Dec 24 20:20 |
| _goblin | hows that for an intro? | Dec 24 20:20 |
| _goblin | ;) | Dec 24 20:20 |
| koolhead17 | _goblin: not bad | Dec 24 20:21 |
| _goblin | ah...Ive more... | Dec 24 20:21 |
| *koolhead17 is a FOSS manic and RMS lover | Dec 24 20:21 | |
| koolhead17 | :-D | Dec 24 20:21 |
| koolhead17 | ok carry on | Dec 24 20:22 |
| koolhead17 | :P | Dec 24 20:22 |
| _goblin | Goblin - who has never grown out of the WWE and has a rather diverse collection of beliefs in regards to privacy, law and order and Free software... | Dec 24 20:22 |
| schestowitz | WCW? | Dec 24 20:25 |
| _goblin | long gone! | Dec 24 20:29 |
| _goblin | WWE bought em! | Dec 24 20:29 |
| _goblin | You have TNA and ROH now (they are the other main feds) | Dec 24 20:29 |
| _goblin | Goblin tip of the day: How to stop all conversation in an IRC channel....... | Dec 24 20:37 |
| _goblin | Talk wrestling. | Dec 24 20:37 |
| schestowitz | See? I didn't keep track | Dec 24 20:37 |
| schestowitz | No, no... I was just distracted by something | Dec 24 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Been away from keyboard a lot today.... | Dec 24 20:37 |
| _goblin | lol | Dec 24 20:38 |
| schestowitz | WCW was just replacing WWF on TV... | Dec 24 20:38 |
| _goblin | don't worry...I get enough stick at work about my wrestling fanboyism | Dec 24 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Then I lost interest cause I was no longer 11 | Dec 24 20:38 |
| _goblin | ouch | Dec 24 20:38 |
| schestowitz | I collected cards | Dec 24 20:38 |
| _goblin | no comment | Dec 24 20:38 |
| schestowitz | I remember the whole thing with Randy Savage, Spycho Sid, those days... | Dec 24 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Tatanka... | Dec 24 20:39 |
| _goblin | I was at Wembley for Summerslam 92 | Dec 24 20:39 |
| _goblin | only a few rows from the front... | Dec 24 20:39 |
| _goblin | Also went to the Kawasaki Dream Stadium to see King of the Deathmatch 1995 | Dec 24 20:40 |
| _goblin | also seen a few events at Madison Square Gardens | Dec 24 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Summerslam 92 - i must have watched it on tv | Dec 24 20:41 |
| _goblin | the kids watch it now.... | Dec 24 20:42 |
| _goblin | I think its harmless fun... | Dec 24 20:42 |
| _goblin | and I have an entire new generation who have known no MS products! | Dec 24 20:43 |
| _goblin | Im quite proud of that... | Dec 24 20:43 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/28/miguel-de-icaza-vs-gpl/ | Dec 24 20:43 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Quick Mention: Miguel de Icaza Loves .NET, Dislikes GNU GPL | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 138.36 KB | Dec 24 20:43 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: I moved to watching Bushido | Dec 24 20:43 |
| schestowitz | I thought it was real | Dec 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | These days there's Ultimate Fighting | Dec 24 20:44 |
| _goblin | yeah Im not keen | Dec 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | But I was in 6th grade at the time | Dec 24 20:44 |
| _goblin | too much mat work.... | Dec 24 20:44 |
| _goblin | whats that in "old money"? | Dec 24 20:44 |
| _goblin | 5th year? | Dec 24 20:44 |
| _goblin | sixth former? | Dec 24 20:44 |
| _goblin | never been able to get this new fangled american way of designating school years. | Dec 24 20:45 |
| _goblin | enfants, primary 1,2,3,4 secondary 1,2,3,4,5 then sixth form then University. | Dec 24 20:46 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: I stopped watching wrestling at about 13 | Dec 24 20:46 |
| schestowitz | I thin | Dec 24 20:46 |
| _goblin | ah | Dec 24 20:46 |
| schestowitz | I think. Maybe about 14 | Dec 24 20:46 |
| schestowitz | I actually have good listing of things I was watching | Dec 24 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Typed it down when bored in train | Dec 24 20:47 |
| _goblin | I remember watching the british wrestling on a saturday afternoon with my grandad... | Dec 24 20:47 |
| _goblin | and also remember the 12 oclock close of the BBC channels with the national anthem......used to have to stand up for that if I was allowed to stay up. | Dec 24 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Anthems..... | Dec 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, British Bulldog died very early.. from his steroids use | Dec 24 20:49 |
| _goblin | his sons now wrestling.... | Dec 24 20:49 |
| _goblin | on WWE | Dec 24 20:49 |
| _goblin | Im tracking Santa with Norad at the moment: | Dec 24 20:50 |
| _goblin | "Santa spotted in Zanzibar, Tanzania on NORAD radar!" | Dec 24 20:50 |
| _goblin | great stuff.... | Dec 24 20:50 |
| _goblin | oh, btw I shill for Xmas! | Dec 24 20:51 |
| schestowitz | His son? | Dec 24 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Any photo? | Dec 24 20:56 |
| _goblin | ah.... | Dec 24 21:02 |
| _goblin | in our household....santa is a big deal....! | Dec 24 21:02 |
| _goblin | funny enough there will be photo's of me dressed as santa | Dec 24 21:02 |
| _goblin | i'll stick em on twitpic! | Dec 24 21:02 |
| _goblin | my eldest is watching the Norad Twitter account tracking Santa. | Dec 24 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Cause you have youngstrs | Dec 24 21:03 |
| _goblin | yeah.... | Dec 24 21:03 |
| schestowitz | My mates here do booze, not pressies | Dec 24 21:03 |
| _goblin | I can't drink this year | Dec 24 21:04 |
| _goblin | Im doing all the driving. | Dec 24 21:04 |
| schestowitz | See, it's hard to bet on enjoying the shopping experience, but being inebriated is a sure bet | Dec 24 21:04 |
| schestowitz | It's too icy for driving | Dec 24 21:05 |
| _goblin | to be fair, Im not really a drinker anyway.....I think Ive had about a total of 10 pints for the entire year. | Dec 24 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Unless you're Häkkinen | Dec 24 21:05 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: Part of my job involves driving, so Im trained for poor conditions..... | Dec 24 21:05 |
| _goblin | having said that, the roads around our area have finally been sorted. | Dec 24 21:08 |
| _goblin | Im surprised, I thought I would see a drop in readers on Xmas eve......its about average for a week day! | Dec 24 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Salt? | Dec 24 21:13 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: same here | Dec 24 21:13 |
| schestowitz | But I don't write | Dec 24 21:13 |
| _goblin | I will be doing a humorous "human" article probably tomorrow... | Dec 24 21:13 |
| _goblin | xmas in the Goblin household. | Dec 24 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Do they know "Goblin" is the nick? | Dec 24 21:17 |
| schestowitz | I don't think I've had nicknames for like 10 years | Dec 24 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Oh, actually I did have some 8 years ago | Dec 24 21:18 |
| _goblin | Nah....I think if/when we meet in London. You will understand why I use a nick.....or handle as I prefer. | Dec 24 21:20 |
| schestowitz | The funniest nick I had was "playboy Roy" | Dec 24 21:21 |
| _goblin | lol | Dec 24 21:21 |
| schestowitz | My girl friends called me that | Dec 24 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Don't ask... | Dec 24 21:21 |
| schestowitz | The trolls make a controversy out of something that is not | Dec 24 21:21 |
| _goblin | In my youth I went through the.... HaNdLe style....real l337 I was too?????!?!? ;) | Dec 24 21:21 |
| schestowitz | hAl | Dec 24 21:23 |
| _goblin | ive had some crackers from work collegues..... | Dec 24 21:23 |
| _goblin | Dog. | Dec 24 21:23 |
| _goblin | Forest. | Dec 24 21:24 |
| _goblin | and my latest one (when I came in with a red rucksack) was: | Dec 24 21:24 |
| _goblin | Postman fat. | Dec 24 21:24 |
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| _goblin | put on a little weight as Ive got older...... | Dec 24 21:25 |
| wallc_ | Roy, goblin, Thistleweb, neighborlee, cubezzz, trmanco, and everyone on BN's IRC: I wish you all a very happy holiday weekend. | Dec 24 21:28 |
| wallc_ | Just dropped in to say hi. : ) | Dec 24 21:29 |
| trmanco | wallc_: thank you, same for you :-P | Dec 24 21:29 |
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| wallc_ | Thanks trmanco. Take care, everyone! | Dec 24 21:31 |
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| _goblin | damn...missed him | Dec 24 21:33 |
| _goblin | if he reads the logs: | Dec 24 21:33 |
| _goblin | Merry Xmas Wallc! | Dec 24 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Hey, balzac_ | Dec 24 21:36 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: it's "her" | Dec 24 21:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] To everyone I follow (and who follows me) Merry Xmas! | Dec 24 21:36 | |
| _goblin | ah | Dec 24 21:36 |
| _goblin | oops | Dec 24 21:36 |
| _goblin | appologies.... | Dec 24 21:36 |
| schestowitz | We are not all male in BN | Dec 24 21:36 |
| _goblin | yep, an example of me stereotyping. | Dec 24 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Which is a good thing because of the stereotypes that surround FOSS | Dec 24 21:37 |
| schestowitz | We have some female contributors | Dec 24 21:37 |
| _goblin | I presumed they called themselves WallC after WallE and since that was a boy robot I assumed male. | Dec 24 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Dec 24 21:38 |
| _goblin | being too clever for myself there. | Dec 24 21:38 |
| schestowitz | The real nick was taken | Dec 24 21:38 |
| schestowitz | I thought about Walle too when she chose this substitute | Dec 24 21:38 |
| schestowitz | IRC nym collision in frenode | Dec 24 21:38 |
| schestowitz | *eenode | Dec 24 21:38 |
| _goblin | Having said that, one of the people I talk to most on Twitter is female....a more diverse WWW good - at last! | Dec 24 21:39 |
| _goblin | Latest news just in: | Dec 24 21:43 |
| _goblin | http://www.noradsanta.org/en/video.html | Dec 24 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | Who's that? | Dec 24 21:43 |
| schestowitz | The woman? | Dec 24 21:43 |
| schestowitz | BTW, OpenBytes fits well w/ WhatWillWeuse | Dec 24 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Beth... | Dec 24 21:44 |
| schestowitz | She hangs out here sometimes... | Dec 24 21:44 |
| schestowitz | http://whatwillweuse.com/ | Dec 24 21:44 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Dec 24 21:45 |
| _goblin | hi! | Dec 24 21:45 |
| _goblin | merry xmas! | Dec 24 21:45 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: Merry Christmas! | Dec 24 21:46 |
| _goblin | lol...this is quite a nice bit of history....why Norad tracks santa..... | Dec 24 21:52 |
| _goblin | The tradition began in 1955 after a Colorado Springs-based Sears Roebuck & Co. advertisement for children to call Santa misprinted the telephone number. Instead of reaching Santa, the phone number put kids through to the CONAD Commander-in-Chief's operations "hotline." | Dec 24 21:52 |
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| _goblin | hi Diablo-D3....Merry Xmas | Dec 24 22:01 |
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| _goblin | Just seen on the news, some derranged person has attacked the pope. | Dec 24 22:12 |
| _goblin | he's ok though and continuing mass. | Dec 24 22:12 |
| MinceR | pft | Dec 24 22:12 |
| schestowitz | Italy had another such incident | Dec 24 22:16 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: there are two places in that sentence where you can put "deranged" :> | Dec 24 22:18 |
| _goblin | true.... | Dec 24 22:19 |
| _goblin | still disrespectful though... | Dec 24 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Prime Minister of Italy Picking his Nose (and eating it) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt7pNgfscNg | Dec 24 22:20 |
| schestowitz | :-D | Dec 24 22:20 |
| _goblin | even though I don't hold with many of the teachings, I wouldn't consider attacking the pope. | Dec 24 22:20 |
| MinceR | since when does the pope deserve respect? | Dec 24 22:20 |
| _goblin | the people who hold him dear do. | Dec 24 22:20 |
| MinceR | well, those people are misguided | Dec 24 22:20 |
| MinceR | that cult stole a lot from human society and crippled the advancement of science | Dec 24 22:21 |
| _goblin | for those that don't follow... | Dec 24 22:21 |
| _goblin | I class myself as multi-religious, my faith is compiled of many.... | Dec 24 22:21 |
| _goblin | like a FOSS religion | Dec 24 22:21 |
| _goblin | everyone contributes | Dec 24 22:21 |
| schestowitz | religion? | Dec 24 22:22 |
| schestowitz | I'd need to look up the definition | Dec 24 22:23 |
| MinceR | it's an euphemism for "superstition" | Dec 24 22:23 |
| schestowitz | From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion | Dec 24 22:23 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Religion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 197.34 KB | Dec 24 22:23 |
| schestowitz | "A religion is any systematic approach to living that involves beliefs about one's origins, one's place in the world, or a responsibility to live and act in the world in particular ways." | Dec 24 22:23 |
| schestowitz | One's origin | Dec 24 22:23 |
| schestowitz | OK... | Dec 24 22:23 |
| schestowitz | So we do have evidence of that | Dec 24 22:23 |
| schestowitz | But it's a "or" thing | Dec 24 22:23 |
| schestowitz | So religion can relate to perception of role in Earth | Dec 24 22:24 |
| schestowitz | This is a broad brush | Dec 24 22:24 |
| schestowitz | This means that any ethical code is a ?"religion" | Dec 24 22:24 |
| _goblin | Ive seen miracles which to me suggest that something is at work....and yes I suppose a ethical code is a religion...a set of values, morals, ideals.... | Dec 24 22:24 |
| schestowitz | "Religion is derived from the Latin religiō, the ultimate origins of which are obscure. One possibility is derivation from a reduplicated *le-ligare, an interpretation traced to Cicero connecting lego "read", i.e. re (again) + lego in the sense of "choose", "go over again" or "consider carefully"." | Dec 24 22:24 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: did you see rules of physics violated? | Dec 24 22:25 |
| _goblin | lol.. | Dec 24 22:25 |
| _goblin | you joke..... | Dec 24 22:25 |
| _goblin | but no.... | Dec 24 22:25 |
| schestowitz | The way the brain works leaves room for hallucinations | Dec 24 22:26 |
| _goblin | I always think great things happen around us all the time, but people don't care enough to notice them. | Dec 24 22:26 |
| schestowitz | I haven't managed to reproduce sleep paralysis in years | Dec 24 22:26 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: yeah, like Russian missiles falling in helix form | Dec 24 22:27 |
| neighborlee | I wish to pass on greets for the season, and hoping everyone has a great christmas, happy holiday no matter what/where you celebrate, but no matter what may your heart be fillled with the reason for the season ;)) | Dec 24 22:27 |
| schestowitz | And as you say, _goblin | Dec 24 22:27 |
| schestowitz | "people don't care enough to notice them." | Dec 24 22:27 |
| _goblin | but then on the flip side....mans science allowed suffering to be healed too.... | Dec 24 22:27 |
| schestowitz | They don't look at the facts, they tell "alient" | Dec 24 22:27 |
| schestowitz | They don't look at the facts, they tell "alien!" | Dec 24 22:27 |
| schestowitz | "people don't care enough to notice [facts]". | Dec 24 22:28 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: thanks a lot! You too! | Dec 24 22:28 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: not just healed | Dec 24 22:28 |
| neighborlee | :) | Dec 24 22:28 |
| _goblin | its like the coin though....the science isn't evil its the people that use it for evil. | Dec 24 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Ask for example the people of Vietnam if napalm helped them | Dec 24 22:28 |
| _goblin | *coin analogy - 2 sides | Dec 24 22:28 |
| schestowitz | It's a two-edged sward | Dec 24 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Science lets us travel space but also destroy ourselves within minutes | Dec 24 22:29 |
| _goblin | I prefer coin....sword infers weapon and its man that perverts tech not tech that perverts man. | Dec 24 22:29 |
| schestowitz | You have swords in the kitchen | Dec 24 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Small ones | Dec 24 22:29 |
| schestowitz | They help you be fed | Dec 24 22:29 |
| MinceR | swords ftw | Dec 24 22:30 |
| schestowitz | The weapon and the tool of the chef actually still have the same name... knife | Dec 24 22:30 |
| _goblin | yes, but vastly different....if you are refering to Knife as that of battle... | Dec 24 22:31 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yeah... "hands me thy sword, me dear, I shalt chop some carrots for the kid's dinner" | Dec 24 22:31 |
| _goblin | no blood canal for starters on a kitchen knife | Dec 24 22:31 |
| MinceR | neither on throwing knives, afaik | Dec 24 22:31 |
| _goblin | no serrated top edge to saw the ribcage as it enters the chest. | Dec 24 22:31 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: even if one doesn't believe in 'religion' because of 'superstition' even though alot of evidence exists to refute ,,there is literally no denying that something one heck of a lot bigger than each one of us, made this universe..no one man alive has a clue about that,,so to that end we call it God ( whatever)... | Dec 24 22:32 |
| MinceR | http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BFS | Dec 24 22:32 |
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| MinceR | neighborlee: really? no denying? | Dec 24 22:32 |
| MinceR | you've got to be kidding. | Dec 24 22:32 |
| neighborlee | what exactly makes you think Im kidding ;) | Dec 24 22:32 |
| MinceR | i'd like to see your proof of "something" "making" this universe | Dec 24 22:33 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: and I yours that it does not | Dec 24 22:33 |
| _goblin | you got there first! | Dec 24 22:33 |
| MinceR | ever heard of Occam's razor? | Dec 24 22:33 |
| neighborlee | I dont need to hear about it | Dec 24 22:33 |
| MinceR | you apparently do | Dec 24 22:33 |
| neighborlee | thats ridiculous speculation, about something you can see and hear everyday of your life | Dec 24 22:33 |
| MinceR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor | Dec 24 22:33 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Occam's razor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 168.18 KB | Dec 24 22:33 |
| MinceR | read and learn. | Dec 24 22:34 |
| neighborlee | dont pick this fight,you will lose | Dec 24 22:34 |
| MinceR | i have already won this fight before it was picked. | Dec 24 22:34 |
| neighborlee | lol | Dec 24 22:34 |
| MinceR | and i wasn't even the one that picked this fight | Dec 24 22:34 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: arrogance knows no bounds , apparnatly | Dec 24 22:34 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: indeed. | Dec 24 22:34 |
| neighborlee | lol | Dec 24 22:34 |
| _goblin | I personally think I am a better person (than before) because of faith. Before starting my "new life" I think I was a rather awful person. | Dec 24 22:34 |
| neighborlee | _goblin: only an aethiest would disagree with that | Dec 24 22:34 |
| MinceR | _goblin: do you think that people who don't do "immoral" things only because they're afraid of being tortured in afterlife are good people? | Dec 24 22:35 |
| neighborlee | _goblin: religion ( usually does,,,but not always depends on many factors) offers hope where sometimes non exists | Dec 24 22:35 |
| MinceR | i think they're simply selfish and misguided. | Dec 24 22:35 |
| MinceR | it's not the right reason to act morally. | Dec 24 22:35 |
| neighborlee | LOL | Dec 24 22:35 |
| neighborlee | so you think you are tortured if you aren't a good boy ? | Dec 24 22:35 |
| neighborlee | how limited and simplsitic your view of god is | Dec 24 22:35 |
| MinceR | many religions tell people that | Dec 24 22:35 |
| neighborlee | listen and learn son | Dec 24 22:35 |
| MinceR | hm | Dec 24 22:36 |
| _goblin | Mincer: I have done much of which to be afraid for in the afterlife... | Dec 24 22:36 |
| MinceR | who told me about arrogance before? | Dec 24 22:36 |
| MinceR | kind of ironic. | Dec 24 22:36 |
| neighborlee | hardly | Dec 24 22:36 |
| neighborlee | know much about jesus ? | Dec 24 22:36 |
| neighborlee | or ghandi | Dec 24 22:36 |
| MinceR | i'm more interested about your proof of Intelligent Design. | Dec 24 22:36 |
| neighborlee | or etc. | Dec 24 22:36 |
| neighborlee | :) | Dec 24 22:36 |
| MinceR | s/about/in/ | Dec 24 22:36 |
| neighborlee | I dont need any | Dec 24 22:36 |
| neighborlee | its self 'evident' | Dec 24 22:36 |
| MinceR | and we should all just take your word for it? | Dec 24 22:36 |
| neighborlee | any kindergardener can tell you that | Dec 24 22:37 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: touch your nose,and tell me you dont exist | Dec 24 22:37 |
| MinceR | yeah, any kindergardener that your people have brainwashed already | Dec 24 22:37 |
| _goblin | MinceR: For me it is my experience of the brutality of man which makes me believe that there is a god, a judgement....just like every action has an equal and opposite reaction.... | Dec 24 22:37 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: and if you exist..why do you exist ? | Dec 24 22:37 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: if you can't tell me exactly HOW you become a person, I dont want to hear your non sense anymore | Dec 24 22:37 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: i make my goals of existence. | Dec 24 22:37 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: i don't want to hear your nonsense, then. | Dec 24 22:38 |
| neighborlee | that doesn't even pass the laugh test | Dec 24 22:38 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: you can't asnwer my question , can you | Dec 24 22:38 |
| neighborlee | your afraid | Dec 24 22:38 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: protip: being condescending doesn't prove you right | Dec 24 22:38 |
| neighborlee | or arrogant..or both | Dec 24 22:38 |
| MinceR | if you want to know who's arrogant here, just read what you've said earlier. | Dec 24 22:38 |
| neighborlee | checked the mirror lately ? | Dec 24 22:39 |
| MinceR | 232923 < neighborlee> listen and learn son | Dec 24 22:39 |
| _goblin | I think the term would be "faith", thats why its called "faith". There is no CCTV on Gods existence so belief is "faith" | Dec 24 22:39 |
| MinceR | you're the one who needs to check the mirror | Dec 24 22:39 |
| neighborlee | stand in front of it..and again say there is no god ( creator..whatever you CALL it), and then tell me your not arrogant | Dec 24 22:39 |
| MinceR | also to realize that not everyone has to believe in your religion | Dec 24 22:39 |
| neighborlee | I never said you did.. | Dec 24 22:39 |
| MinceR | i'd like to see how that makes someone arrogant | Dec 24 22:39 |
| MinceR | how is it arrogant to think that the universe could have come into existence spontaneously? | Dec 24 22:39 |
| neighborlee | because your unwilling either consiously or othewrise.to see something right i n front of your nose | Dec 24 22:40 |
| MinceR | (or even to think that the question is meaningless, as there was possibly no time before it?) | Dec 24 22:40 |
| MinceR | what's in front of my nose? your god? | Dec 24 22:40 |
| neighborlee | there you go being arrogant again | Dec 24 22:40 |
| _goblin | its not, but then a godless universe is just as much of a faith as a god created one is it not? | Dec 24 22:40 |
| neighborlee | I NEVER SAID it was 'my' god.. | Dec 24 22:40 |
| neighborlee | did I ? | Dec 24 22:40 |
| MinceR | you keep using that word, neighborlee. i don't think it means what you think it means. | Dec 24 22:40 |
| neighborlee | what word | Dec 24 22:40 |
| MinceR | "arrogant" | Dec 24 22:41 |
| neighborlee | unwilling to consider that your opinion might be wrong based on the WORLD of evidence to the contrary..tells me yes, you lead HARD to arrogance. | Dec 24 22:41 |
| neighborlee | that is the First rule of science btw. | Dec 24 22:41 |
| MinceR | so am i supposed to believe your religion because you're condescending or because you'll proclaim that i can't see the obvious if i don't? | Dec 24 22:42 |
| MinceR | i still haven't seen your "evidence" | Dec 24 22:42 |
| MinceR | probably nobody else has either | Dec 24 22:42 |
| neighborlee | its right in front of you | Dec 24 22:42 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 24 22:42 |
| MinceR | you know what's right in front of me? air. | Dec 24 22:42 |
| neighborlee | why some pepole are afraid or dont want to see that,,I hav e no idea | Dec 24 22:43 |
| MinceR | what? | Dec 24 22:43 |
| neighborlee | most people believe in the evidence of 'god' for many reasons | Dec 24 22:43 |
| neighborlee | hope is a huge one I suspect | Dec 24 22:43 |
| MinceR | and their numbers prove them right? | Dec 24 22:43 |
| neighborlee | I never said that.YOU did. | Dec 24 22:43 |
| MinceR | hope is not evidence | Dec 24 22:43 |
| neighborlee | you keep doing that :)) | Dec 24 22:43 |
| neighborlee | stop doing it please. | Dec 24 22:43 |
| MinceR | stop doing what? | Dec 24 22:44 |
| neighborlee | lol | Dec 24 22:44 |
| MinceR | pointing out the obvious flaws in your "reasoning"? | Dec 24 22:44 |
| neighborlee | LOL | Dec 24 22:44 |
| neighborlee | so , you are so sure god does not exist, your willing to stake someones life on it ? | Dec 24 22:44 |
| MinceR | protip: saying "lol" over and over again isn't going to prove you right either. | Dec 24 22:45 |
| neighborlee | say, some innocent child you don t know ? | Dec 24 22:45 |
| tessier | neighborlee: Yes | Dec 24 22:45 |
| MinceR | so you're going to try Pascal's wager now? | Dec 24 22:45 |
| MinceR | it's funny because it doesn't work | Dec 24 22:45 |
| neighborlee | I dont gamble sorry.Im not immoral | Dec 24 22:45 |
| tessier | MinceR: The biggest problem with debating religion with religious folks is that they are almost universally uneducated. | Dec 24 22:46 |
| MinceR | indeed | Dec 24 22:46 |
| tessier | MinceR: They don't speak your language. They think a wager is gambling. | Dec 24 22:46 |
| tessier | Which is why I rarely bother to try | Dec 24 22:46 |
| neighborlee | tessier: well if that isnt the rudest thing I've ever seen | Dec 24 22:46 |
| MinceR | i'd expect someone who wants to argue about religion to know about these things | Dec 24 22:46 |
| MinceR | but people are all to eager to get into arguments without knowing the basics | Dec 24 22:46 |
| neighborlee | tessier: I take it you dont believe either ;) | Dec 24 22:47 |
| MinceR | if anything is arrogance, that's it. | Dec 24 22:47 |
| neighborlee | what ? | Dec 24 22:47 |
| _goblin | tessier and MinceR: Can I ask you both a question? | Dec 24 22:47 |
| _goblin | Forgetting law for a second, would you kill another human? | Dec 24 22:47 |
| MinceR | jumping into an argument in your holier-than-thou attitude without the knowledge of any facts or relevant theory | Dec 24 22:47 |
| MinceR | _goblin: that depends on a lot of things | Dec 24 22:47 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: laughable | Dec 24 22:47 |
| MinceR | in certain cases, i would | Dec 24 22:47 |
| *PetoKraus has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Dec 24 22:48 | |
| _goblin | Would it bother you (regardless of the circumstances) | Dec 24 22:48 |
| MinceR | and there are cases in which only the insane wouldn't | Dec 24 22:48 |
| MinceR | it wouldn't | Dec 24 22:48 |
| MinceR | as long as i know i've made the right choice | Dec 24 22:48 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: your not even willling it seems to meet any one half way ,,to admit god 'might' exist..I am willing to do the opposite, are you ? | Dec 24 22:48 |
| *neighborlee waits | Dec 24 22:48 | |
| _goblin | I think this is where personal experiences have an effect on belief.... | Dec 24 22:48 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: this is not a question of political compromises | Dec 24 22:48 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: truth is not a matter of compromise, or voting. | Dec 24 22:49 |
| neighborlee | I never said it was,,,stop putting words in my MOUTH | Dec 24 22:49 |
| neighborlee | that was you , not me that brought it up. | Dec 24 22:49 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: any number of gods might exist, for a large range of definitions of 'god' | Dec 24 22:49 |
| MinceR | that doesn't mean that they must have created the universe | Dec 24 22:49 |
| neighborlee | well, thats something I guess... | Dec 24 22:50 |
| MinceR | 'god' is usually defined in a way that is not provable nor disprovable | Dec 24 22:50 |
| MinceR | so i don't think there's a point in worrying about their existence | Dec 24 22:50 |
| neighborlee | in your limited, one dimensional way of thinking, apparantly | Dec 24 22:50 |
| MinceR | of course there are religions that contradict themselves or observable facts :) | Dec 24 22:50 |
| MinceR | it is your thinking that's limited and one-dimensional | Dec 24 22:50 |
| MinceR | constrained by religious dogma | Dec 24 22:51 |
| _goblin | From personal experience, Ive found religion helped me to get over some difficult experiences.....so for me religion is a very good thing. I know I am a better person for it. For others it may be different... | Dec 24 22:51 |
| MinceR | _goblin: and don't you feel deep down inside that you're lying to yourself to make yourself feel better? | Dec 24 22:51 |
| _goblin | definately not.. | Dec 24 22:52 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: how is it dogma, to be willing to have hope by believing in something you can't see , but where a greatl deal of evidence to believe in it exists ? | Dec 24 22:52 |
| neighborlee | I dont call that dogma.. | Dec 24 22:52 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: there's no evidence. | Dec 24 22:52 |
| neighborlee | but meh go for it. | Dec 24 22:52 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: in your opinion , yes. | Dec 24 22:52 |
| neighborlee | :) | Dec 24 22:52 |
| MinceR | this is not a matter of opinion | Dec 24 22:52 |
| neighborlee | yes, it is. | Dec 24 22:52 |
| _goblin | because for me if there was nothing greater, then whats the point? Why don't we all just be crappy to one another. | Dec 24 22:52 |
| MinceR | i know that the proponents of ID like to pretend that science is a matter of opinion, but it isn't | Dec 24 22:52 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: you can t prove it either way, scientifically..so yes..its your opinion''' | Dec 24 22:53 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: your "theory" is unscientific because it can't be proven or disproven and doesn't provide any useful results | Dec 24 22:53 |
| _goblin | I think science is the best example of a God. Everything works so perfectly and to rule. | Dec 24 22:53 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: useful is also a huge matter of opinion..:) | Dec 24 22:53 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: i can just as easily say that the Invisible Pink Unicorn created the Universe | Dec 24 22:53 |
| _goblin | and it may well have. | Dec 24 22:54 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: im asking you to debate the facts as we know it,you want to resort often to putting words in my mouth..which do you call arrogant ? | Dec 24 22:54 |
| MinceR | and that she did so last thursday, in a way that there's evidence planted everywhere that it's in fact millions of years old. | Dec 24 22:54 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: i have yet to see any facts from your side of the argument | Dec 24 22:54 |
| _goblin | there is none, thats why its "faith" | Dec 24 22:54 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: i'd like to say what practical predictions does your "theory" make and how many of them have so far come true. | Dec 24 22:55 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee, _goblin others: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Mono | Dec 24 22:55 |
| schestowitz | New page | Dec 24 22:55 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Mono - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 116.64 KB | Dec 24 22:55 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: kewl thx ;)) | Dec 24 22:55 |
| MinceR | s/say/see/ | Dec 24 22:55 |
| neighborlee | _goblin: actually there is a great deal to base faith on, but yes in general we are asked to base it on things we can't generally 'see', because we weren't there, 2000 years ago to 'witness' the events, so its easy to debunk them :)) | Dec 24 22:56 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: are pages like this listed somewhere on the wiki? | Dec 24 22:56 |
| _goblin | agreed, I was more refering to the modern day (and "proof") of religion. | Dec 24 22:57 |
| neighborlee | the shroud of turin is one such item , though Ive not followed it recently to be a expert on it | Dec 24 22:57 |
| neighborlee | _goblin: ah yes | Dec 24 22:57 |
| _goblin | Ive found that many people tend to dismiss that which is not documented, CCTV'd and forensicated | Dec 24 22:58 |
| neighborlee | yup | Dec 24 22:58 |
| MinceR | i've found that many people believe things told them at face value, without even giving them a second thought | Dec 24 22:58 |
| _goblin | so much "faith" in technology....yet what allowed us to make that tech? What made humans able to achieve it? | Dec 24 22:58 |
| neighborlee | _goblin: well we know what their reply is dont we ;) | Dec 24 22:59 |
| MinceR | and i've found that many people confuse that kind of "thinking" with science | Dec 24 22:59 |
| neighborlee | _goblin: random 'chance' ;)lol | Dec 24 22:59 |
| MinceR | that's where ID comes from | Dec 24 22:59 |
| _goblin | but look at science for a second...... | Dec 24 22:59 |
| _goblin | there are so many rules...conditions.... | Dec 24 22:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] THE POWER OF PRAYER. http://thinkprogress.org/2009/12/22/coburn-pray-inhofe/ | Dec 24 22:59 | |
| MinceR | we made those rules to model reality and make predictions about it. | Dec 24 22:59 |
| _goblin | true...but doesn't physics restrict humans to a set of parameters? | Dec 24 23:00 |
| MinceR | the model is useful as far as its predictions are useful | Dec 24 23:00 |
| _goblin | you can't turn a rock into an Elephant....physics wont let you. | Dec 24 23:00 |
| MinceR | it's possible to turn a rock into an elephant, but it's horribly costly | Dec 24 23:00 |
| MinceR | in terms of energy :) | Dec 24 23:01 |
| _goblin | speed of light.... | Dec 24 23:01 |
| MinceR | and we don't have the technology to do it anyway | Dec 24 23:01 |
| neighborlee | It 'might' be possible..but doing so imho would cause such a degree of agony that its not ethical to even try it. | Dec 24 23:01 |
| neighborlee | we can do something, but 'should' we do it is the question | Dec 24 23:01 |
| _goblin | I know there are many barriers to our own understanding, but I think there are limits to physics.... | Dec 24 23:01 |
| MinceR | that's an entirely different consideration | Dec 24 23:01 |
| MinceR | and we can't even begin to tell how many agony, if any it would cause until we know how the process works | Dec 24 23:02 |
| neighborlee | of course..I meant atm in the distant future it seems highly unlikely ( though possible) we could do it without causing much agony | Dec 24 23:03 |
| neighborlee | read.possible..but unlikely | Dec 24 23:03 |
| neighborlee | see im willling to concede its possible.unlike you and god | Dec 24 23:04 |
| _goblin | talking of which Im going to be leaving soon for midnight mass. | Dec 24 23:04 |
| MinceR | i think i've already said that this is not a matter of compromise :) | Dec 24 23:04 |
| MinceR | "i'm willing to believe a little of what you're saying if you're willing to believe a little of what i'm saying" | Dec 24 23:04 |
| MinceR | that isn't science | Dec 24 23:05 |
| _goblin | MinceR: I'll tell you what I find good about my faith, its the way I would help you (or anyone) if I came across you in need.....that surely can't be a bad thing and even if I was wrong about my faith, its not a bad set of values to live by. | Dec 24 23:06 |
| MinceR | in today's society most people won't help strangers in need | Dec 24 23:07 |
| MinceR | therefore those who would put themselves at a disadvantage | Dec 24 23:07 |
| schestowitz | [22:47] <_goblin> Forgetting law for a second, would you kill another human? | Dec 24 23:07 |
| MinceR | it's a respectable decision, but it might be costly to you | Dec 24 23:07 |
| schestowitz | I'd hardly kill a large animal | Dec 24 23:07 |
| _goblin | and why Roy? | Dec 24 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Tribes in African sometimes aplogise to the animal (bushmen) because they must eat to live | Dec 24 23:07 |
| _goblin | conscience? Moral? Faith? | Dec 24 23:07 |
| MinceR | do non-human predators apologize to their prey? :> | Dec 24 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Heh. _goblin: were you an Outlaw before Linux? ;-) | Dec 24 23:08 |
| _goblin | whatever you want to call it, taking the life of another taints you. Its dirties you like a tatoo that nobody can see but you know its there. | Dec 24 23:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Time to eat a mince pie, half a carrot and swig some wine before bed. #fb | Dec 24 23:08 | |
| _goblin | nope | Dec 24 23:08 |
| _goblin | lol | Dec 24 23:08 |
| _goblin | although some would consider me that. | Dec 24 23:08 |
| schestowitz | [22:56] <MinceR> schestowitz: are pages like this listed somewhere on the wiki? | Dec 24 23:09 |
| MinceR | so what if i remember that i've killed another? | Dec 24 23:09 |
| schestowitz | I've just made loads of them and yes, they are listed | Dec 24 23:09 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Software_Patents_in_Europe | Dec 24 23:09 |
| MinceR | where are they listed? | Dec 24 23:09 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Software Patents in Europe - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 35.33 KB | Dec 24 23:09 |
| neighborlee | http://www.shroudstory.com/ < there is some 'possible ' evidence for god for you....if you wish to read it..I wont say its 100% fact , but its a possible conclusion one could reach...if its true its clear evidence of the god factor at the very least...of something BEYOND!! ( sorry harry potter segway cause its funny) :)) | Dec 24 23:09 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Shroud of Turin Story Guide to the Facts 2009 .::. Size~: 54.43 KB | Dec 24 23:09 |
| MinceR | even in your reasoning, that shroud is very far from the existence of god issue | Dec 24 23:10 |
| MinceR | and iirc there are problems with it | Dec 24 23:10 |
| _goblin | to be fair, I am not convinced of the shroud.... | Dec 24 23:10 |
| schestowitz | [23:07] <_goblin> conscience? Moral? Faith? | Dec 24 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu | Dec 24 23:10 |
| _goblin | fair enough...KDE? | Dec 24 23:10 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: I didn't say it wasn't...again, stop putting words in my mouth, thats very arrogant of you. | Dec 24 23:10 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 24 23:10 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: get some religion, maybe that will put an end to your arrogance. | Dec 24 23:11 |
| neighborlee | sheesh already | Dec 24 23:11 |
| neighborlee | :) | Dec 24 23:11 |
| MinceR | you showed that as something that was supposed to be evidence for the existence of your god | Dec 24 23:11 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Special:AllPages | Dec 24 23:11 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: All pages - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 67.52 KB | Dec 24 23:11 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: i'm the only god i need. :> | Dec 24 23:11 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: i see | Dec 24 23:11 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: I most certainly did NOT..those were your words, not mine | Dec 24 23:11 |
| _goblin | MinceR: I thought that. | Dec 24 23:11 |
| neighborlee | I said god 'factor', not god period. | Dec 24 23:11 |
| _goblin | MinceR: many years ago. | Dec 24 23:11 |
| neighborlee | read what I write. | Dec 24 23:11 |
| MinceR | "there is some 'possible ' evidence for god" | Dec 24 23:12 |
| MinceR | what's the "god factor"? | Dec 24 23:12 |
| neighborlee | you know..like a 'factor' in something... | Dec 24 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Some people choose a religion to /fit/ what they require rather than because it is a truism | Dec 24 23:12 |
| neighborlee | 'if we factor in blah blah' | Dec 24 23:12 |
| schestowitz | That it fine | Dec 24 23:12 |
| MinceR | y = god * x + 2 | Dec 24 23:13 |
| _goblin | MinceR: My evidence of God is my change after finding him. That to me was proof. | Dec 24 23:13 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: Im sure it happens alot yes ..we are human afterall , but it doesn't make that religion untrue ;) | Dec 24 23:13 |
| schestowitz | But to then absorb oneself in the storyline and pass it around as truth (like walking on water) helps nobody | Dec 24 23:13 |
| MinceR | _goblin: it seems to me that's merely evidence that you can change your own behavior with faith | Dec 24 23:13 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: not that your were saying that,just sayin. | Dec 24 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Some people think they are savours from God | Dec 24 23:13 |
| schestowitz | *saviours | Dec 24 23:13 |
| neighborlee | of that I have zero doubt ;)) | Dec 24 23:14 |
| _goblin | MinceR: I can see why you would think that.... Whatever the basis, it saved me. | Dec 24 23:14 |
| schestowitz | From what? | Dec 24 23:14 |
| schestowitz | The WinTrolls? :-) | Dec 24 23:14 |
| _goblin | From myself probably... | Dec 24 23:14 |
| _goblin | from my actions | Dec 24 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Maybe we need to turn science to religion | Dec 24 23:15 |
| _goblin | it is.... | Dec 24 23:15 |
| schestowitz | I think Dawkins and RMS do that already | Dec 24 23:15 |
| _goblin | thou shalt not break the speed of light | Dec 24 23:15 |
| schestowitz | The God is emacs or something | Dec 24 23:15 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 24 23:15 |
| MinceR | turning science into religion? why? | Dec 24 23:15 |
| schestowitz | And we meet the opposite sex by showing emacs/vim shortcuts | Dec 24 23:15 |
| neighborlee | again, I have no proof of this obviously, but no matter I think its worth sharing due to our current conversation, think of it what you will I wont stop you <har har>: http://heartseed.sf.net/visitation.html | Dec 24 23:15 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: cause it's the best fun | Dec 24 23:16 |
| schestowitz | We have a good story to tell | Dec 24 23:16 |
| neighborlee | lol :) | Dec 24 23:16 |
| schestowitz | And proof too | Dec 24 23:16 |
| schestowitz | That's what the lady who made Cosmos said | Dec 24 23:16 |
| MinceR | proof breaks it :> | Dec 24 23:16 |
| schestowitz | That we should tell the story | Dec 24 23:16 |
| MinceR | if we have proof, it is no longer faith, it's knowledge :> | Dec 24 23:16 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: I love it..pure paganism in alllllll its glory..you devil you ! ;)) | Dec 24 23:16 |
| neighborlee | errr sorry..I meant to say .you lady you!! | Dec 24 23:17 |
| schestowitz | But.. | Dec 24 23:17 |
| schestowitz | In the 'religion' of science there is no afterlife | Dec 24 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Karma means that organic material passes to another animal | Dec 24 23:17 |
| schestowitz | And up the food chain | Dec 24 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes it's used as fossil fuel, but let's pretend that ain't so | Dec 24 23:18 |
| neighborlee | lol | Dec 24 23:18 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: religion of science wize..totally agreed | Dec 24 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Not a religion though | Dec 24 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Democratised too | Dec 24 23:18 |
| neighborlee | :) | Dec 24 23:18 |
| schestowitz | No popes and kings | Dec 24 23:18 |
| MinceR | it also gives ID nuts more ammo | Dec 24 23:18 |
| MinceR | "see, it's just another religion, like ours!" | Dec 24 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Or "another theory" | Dec 24 23:19 |
| schestowitz | That's the funner smear | Dec 24 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Gravity is just a theory | Dec 24 23:19 |
| MinceR | Intelligent Falling! | Dec 24 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Evolution is "just a theory" | Dec 24 23:19 |
| neighborlee | considering they have no true idea about it really..yeah its a theory ;) | Dec 24 23:19 |
| schestowitz | 1+1=2 is just a theory | Dec 24 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Actually, there is a huge book-sized proof of it | Dec 24 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Enistein's proof of relativeity had no references and footnotes IIRC | Dec 24 23:20 |
| neighborlee | thats in part why I claim no proof of god is silly..we are human..hear us slither | Dec 24 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Train and right-angled mirrors with lightenings | Dec 24 23:20 |
| schestowitz | *lightnings | Dec 24 23:20 |
| neighborlee | as in we're still rhodents in the greater scheme of life..we're nothing atm compared imho to what we will 'become' | Dec 24 23:20 |
| MinceR | you slither? one more reason to transcend the current state of the human species. | Dec 24 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Classic smear is also the "moral" thing | Dec 24 23:21 |
| MinceR | nope, we aren't rodents, we're primates. | Dec 24 23:21 |
| schestowitz | _goblin brought it up | Dec 24 23:21 |
| _goblin | ? | Dec 24 23:21 |
| schestowitz | See atheists grilled with the supposition that "no religion"->rape, no moral, etc. | Dec 24 23:21 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: not entirely primates,,but ok ;) | Dec 24 23:21 |
| schestowitz | But to counter it, one claims that people were fine before religions too | Dec 24 23:21 |
| _goblin | as Dave Lister said, humans are planetary head lice....thats why all the other planets stay so far away, they don't want to get infected. | Dec 24 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Before all those stories of commandments and whateve | Dec 24 23:22 |
| schestowitz | *ver | Dec 24 23:22 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: not entirely? | Dec 24 23:22 |
| neighborlee | _goblin: lol | Dec 24 23:22 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: Heh. Red Dward | Dec 24 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Smaghead! | Dec 24 23:22 |
| _goblin | yep! | Dec 24 23:22 |
| MinceR | as Agent Smith said, the behavior of humans suggests they're viruses. | Dec 24 23:22 |
| schestowitz | *rf | Dec 24 23:22 |
| schestowitz | We're bigger | Dec 24 23:22 |
| schestowitz | More atoms | Dec 24 23:22 |
| MinceR | i think it's meant in the computing sense. :) | Dec 24 23:23 |
| schestowitz | A derivates less capable of survival | Dec 24 23:23 |
| schestowitz | One animal we could never eliminate is micro-organisms | Dec 24 23:23 |
| schestowitz | So there's chance that in 2 billion years another sophisticated animal will come out of them | Dec 24 23:23 |
| MinceR | i think we could eliminate all life on Earth if we really tried | Dec 24 23:23 |
| MinceR | and we don't look like we're going to stop. | Dec 24 23:24 |
| schestowitz | 100 years x 1000 x 1000 x 20 | Dec 24 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Not comprehensible for human's mind | Dec 24 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Same with distance | Dec 24 23:24 |
| _goblin | Roy, maybe you can answer this. If we agree that we evolved from creatures from the water.........why did those creatures ever leave? Presumably they were happy in the oceans, they had food etc....why on earth would they leave that to come on land? | Dec 24 23:24 |
| _goblin | what would be the point? | Dec 24 23:25 |
| schestowitz | We are build to think in 3d and handle simple stereovision +flip, time like days/seasons and distance like continent (even hardly that) | Dec 24 23:25 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: I'm glad you asked | Dec 24 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Survival was made better is they could move between water sources | Dec 24 23:25 |
| MinceR | _goblin: the ocean or whatever they were living in could have disappeared | Dec 24 23:25 |
| schestowitz | When lakes and seas dries up those that could move between puddles and stuff could survive better | Dec 24 23:26 |
| MinceR | if you mean the aquatic ape theory | Dec 24 23:26 |
| schestowitz | I saw it in a documentary, but can't recall which | Dec 24 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Look at whales | Dec 24 23:26 |
| schestowitz | They went /back/ into water | Dec 24 23:26 |
| _goblin | not convinced...why then when the dinosaurs were wiped out, did they not come back again when the earth was more habitable? | Dec 24 23:27 |
| _goblin | as in the T-rex et al | Dec 24 23:27 |
| MinceR | when whales "went back" into water, they didn't become their aquatic ancestors | Dec 24 23:27 |
| MinceR | they didn't become fish | Dec 24 23:27 |
| MinceR | in the same way, the animals occupying the niches non-bird dinosaurs used to occupy are not dinosaurs today. | Dec 24 23:28 |
| MinceR | they might be similar due to convergent evolution, though | Dec 24 23:28 |
| _goblin | but why didn't we have the T-rex return? Why were they so big? and why were the following generations not massive in size like their ancestors? | Dec 24 23:28 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: many theories about dinosaurs... two predominant ones, IIRC | Dec 24 23:28 |
| MinceR | like cetaceans are similar to fish. | Dec 24 23:28 |
| schestowitz | But bear in mind that only less than 1% of the species survives | Dec 24 23:29 |
| MinceR | the genetic material of the T-rex wasn't preserved in a way in which it would be born again | Dec 24 23:29 |
| _goblin | could it be that the design was deemed impractical ? | Dec 24 23:29 |
| MinceR | by whom? | Dec 24 23:29 |
| schestowitz | We're one in over 100 more than we have remaining on the planet | Dec 24 23:29 |
| _goblin | MinceR: Exactly. | Dec 24 23:29 |
| schestowitz | But dinosaurs we admire because of their scale | Dec 24 23:29 |
| MinceR | _goblin: it's about being successful (at reproduction) | Dec 24 23:29 |
| _goblin | MinceR: It seems rather dodgy that the dinosaurs ruled supreme, wham they are wiped out and then they don't return again. | Dec 24 23:29 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: dragons are similar to dinosaurs | Dec 24 23:30 |
| MinceR | _goblin: circumstances have changed | Dec 24 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they share a common ancestor | Dec 24 23:30 |
| MinceR | _goblin: mammals have spread and taken on many roles | Dec 24 23:30 |
| MinceR | _goblin: iirc the O2/CO2 ratio of the atmosphere has changed too | Dec 24 23:30 |
| schestowitz | You could breed crocs for size | Dec 24 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Same with small lizards | Dec 24 23:30 |
| _goblin | you see and that "maybe" is exactly the same as a religious belief iMO. | Dec 24 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Or you could speed it up with gene manipulaiton | Dec 24 23:30 |
| MinceR | actually that "maybe" can be tested pretty well | Dec 24 23:30 |
| schestowitz | In Belgium they remove a gene from bulls to stop the mechanism that stops muscle growth | Dec 24 23:31 |
| _goblin | So do we agree that man is reaching a stage of almost godlike power in the realms of science? | Dec 24 23:32 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't say that | Dec 24 23:32 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: it's a "maybe" because there is probabilistic models here | Dec 24 23:32 |
| MinceR | there are lots of things we can't do yet | Dec 24 23:32 |
| MinceR | also, what would you define as "godlike power"? | Dec 24 23:32 |
| _goblin | "yet" being a key word? | Dec 24 23:32 |
| schestowitz | And it's hard to go back *That* long... our tools keep improving though | Dec 24 23:32 |
| MinceR | faster-than-light travel? creation of living creatures from scratch? | Dec 24 23:32 |
| schestowitz | We can measure things in the universe better than ever before | Dec 24 23:32 |
| _goblin | godlike being cloning, testtube babies etc etx | Dec 24 23:32 |
| schestowitz | What was once baffling like black holes is now better understoof | Dec 24 23:32 |
| _goblin | "designer animals" | Dec 24 23:33 |
| schestowitz | I looked at some astronomy book from the 40s in a library | Dec 24 23:33 |
| schestowitz | It's all very different | Dec 24 23:33 |
| MinceR | _goblin: i'd define "godlike power" as higher than that, but by that definition we're coming pretty close. | Dec 24 23:33 |
| _goblin | because the way I see it is man is approaching Godlike powers in regards to the creation/manipulation of life...if that is true then how hard is it to believe there is "something" better at it than us and they are responsible for our creation? | Dec 24 23:33 |
| MinceR | it isn't hard to believe. but it's hard to prove. | Dec 24 23:34 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: hardly | Dec 24 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Our machines are still primitive | Dec 24 23:34 |
| MinceR | and it's unnecessary to believe or prove when we have an apparently simpler explanation | Dec 24 23:34 |
| schestowitz | We can't do micro-micro engineering | Dec 24 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Like, we can't make things reproducuble | Dec 24 23:34 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: compare our tech to just 10 years ago. | Dec 24 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Not at micro-level | Dec 24 23:34 |
| MinceR | also, you don't class creation of space, time and matter as tasks of a creator? | Dec 24 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Like create a cell that masticates matter to make energy and replicate | Dec 24 23:35 |
| MinceR | and perhaps energy | Dec 24 23:35 |
| schestowitz | But it takes only one replicator to start evolution | Dec 24 23:35 |
| schestowitz | That can be a probabilistic process | Dec 24 23:35 |
| neighborlee | _goblin: we are certainly getting there science wize, morality wize wer'e in the stone age ,but rome wasn't built in a day ;)) | Dec 24 23:35 |
| schestowitz | Give a googolplex of water atoms 1 billion years to make some requires variant | Dec 24 23:35 |
| schestowitz | *red | Dec 24 23:36 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: nature is hugely immoral | Dec 24 23:36 |
| _goblin | see the point is, if we apeared in the 1200's with our tech, we would appear godlike....infact we could probably defeat an army with a single tank....why is it so difficult to believe there is someone greater than us, who regards us in the same way......its doesn't have to be a "traditional" god, it could be more a higher evolved life. | Dec 24 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Look at germs even | Dec 24 23:36 |
| schestowitz | They murder every moment | Dec 24 23:36 |
| schestowitz | The universe has no notion of morals | Dec 24 23:36 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: It might not always have been | Dec 24 23:36 |
| MinceR | _goblin: if there was someone greater than us, where did they come from? | Dec 24 23:36 |
| MinceR | who "created" them? | Dec 24 23:36 |
| schestowitz | It's all explosions and collisions, but for us it's in slow motion | Dec 24 23:36 |
| schestowitz | We leave for just a tiny fraction of time. | Dec 24 23:37 |
| _goblin | Mincer: and the same applies if we come from nothing.... | Dec 24 23:37 |
| schestowitz | *live | Dec 24 23:37 |
| MinceR | does this explanation of our existence ultimately answer any question at all? | Dec 24 23:37 |
| _goblin | Mincer: what caused the big bang, what created that set of circumstances and what was before that. | Dec 24 23:37 |
| neighborlee | It doesn't need to atm mince | Dec 24 23:37 |
| MinceR | an infinite line of "gods" creating "lesser beings" hardly explains anything better than evolution does. | Dec 24 23:37 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: you ask the wrong question | Dec 24 23:37 |
| schestowitz | Whom created the creator of the creator? | Dec 24 23:37 |
| schestowitz | WHy not save a step and use the Razor? | Dec 24 23:37 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: that's the next step | Dec 24 23:37 |
| MinceR | and it goes into infinity | Dec 24 23:37 |
| schestowitz | Humans too are creators | Dec 24 23:38 |
| MinceR | and Occam's razor rules that out | Dec 24 23:38 |
| schestowitz | But here's the thing | Dec 24 23:38 |
| schestowitz | If we could put germs to kickstart evolution in Mars, other planets can do the same here | Dec 24 23:38 |
| schestowitz | You could probably create life forms for venus too | Dec 24 23:38 |
| _goblin | I own a piece of mars btw | Dec 24 23:38 |
| schestowitz | If genetic engineering is good enough | Dec 24 23:38 |
| schestowitz | You don't need to start from scratch either | Dec 24 23:39 |
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| schestowitz | Just pick an existing (GPL-like) germ, make some changes to it | Dec 24 23:39 |
| MinceR | is it already allowed to own off-Earth real estate? | Dec 24 23:39 |
| _goblin | you can keep your dodgy life forms off it.....I got it as a birthday present a few years ago. | Dec 24 23:39 |
| MinceR | i thought there were treaties against it | Dec 24 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Then put it in an oven of 600 degree (Celsius) and see if it can still replicate | Dec 24 23:39 |
| _goblin | MinceR: Not on my bit! | Dec 24 23:39 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: like those scams of selling pieces of the moon? | Dec 24 23:40 |
| _goblin | probably | Dec 24 23:40 |
| _goblin | still.... | Dec 24 23:40 |
| schestowitz | It's the thought that count | Dec 24 23:40 |
| _goblin | true... | Dec 24 23:40 |
| schestowitz | It's like "adopt a whale" | Dec 24 23:40 |
| schestowitz | They send photos, you send money.. | Dec 24 23:41 |
| *MinceR adopts a neutrino | Dec 24 23:41 | |
| *schestowitz adopts a marsupial catty mouse | Dec 24 23:41 | |
| *schestowitz fired up gimp to make photo of uit | Dec 24 23:41 | |
| _goblin | Right....Im going to have to go soon to our local church...3 kids a wife and a dog (yes they allow animals at our local church) to organize.... | Dec 24 23:42 |
| _goblin | and if you want to claim there is no God, You can argue with him http://www.twitpic.com/1oyeq he thinks differently! On a serious note though, Merry Xmas to you all. Best wishes/God bless/whatever. I'm off now until at least tomorrow.... | Dec 24 23:45 |
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| MinceR | i don't think that threats of a drooling, stinking, terrorizing monster are proof of the existence of any "God", capitalized like that | Dec 24 23:46 |
| MinceR | besides, a shotgun would win that argument pretty easily | Dec 24 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Nice doggy | Dec 24 23:47 |
| MinceR | the only nice dog is the dead dog | Dec 24 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Everything dies eventually | Dec 24 23:47 |
| schestowitz | But I like dogs | Dec 24 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Actually, are planets organisms? | Dec 24 23:47 |
| MinceR | as usual, it depends on the definition of "organism" :) | Dec 24 23:48 |
| schestowitz | I know. | Dec 24 23:48 |
| schestowitz | No such thing really | Dec 24 23:48 |
| schestowitz | objects and assemblies or atoms | Dec 24 23:48 |
| MinceR | but in biology many definitions are non-obvious anyway | Dec 24 23:48 |
| schestowitz | When they move in harmony based on instructions, then OK, it's different | Dec 24 23:48 |
| MinceR | we define them in a way that makes the term useful to us in a way we want it to be | Dec 24 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Some robots are organisms | Dec 24 23:48 |
| schestowitz | They have battery (heart), microchip (brain), levers and stuff | Dec 24 23:49 |
| MinceR | so instead i'd ask whether it's useful to think of planets with a biosphere as organisms or not | Dec 24 23:49 |
| schestowitz | They don't self-heal | Dec 24 23:49 |
| MinceR | i'd say self-healing is a pretty fundamental part of the concept of life | Dec 24 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Planets have life too | Dec 24 23:49 |
| schestowitz | They have energy and a lot of activity inside | Dec 24 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Eventually they die too | Dec 24 23:49 |
| schestowitz | And their remnants end up in other planets | Dec 24 23:50 |
| MinceR | they might be organisms | Dec 24 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Planets have names and they can change in size | Dec 24 23:50 |
| schestowitz | They have bacteria that can fix and ruin them | Dec 24 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Men are the Earth's lice | Dec 24 23:50 |
| schestowitz | As _Goblin said | Dec 24 23:51 |
| schestowitz | We ruin the organisms auro (atmosphere) | Dec 24 23:51 |
| schestowitz | *aura | Dec 24 23:51 |
| schestowitz | It'll get fried like Venus | Dec 24 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Hmm... where does the water go without an atmosphere? | Dec 24 23:51 |
| MinceR | off to space, mostly | Dec 24 23:52 |
| MinceR | some of it can be retained in ice caps | Dec 24 23:52 |
| MinceR | and underground ice | Dec 24 23:52 |
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