| schestowitz | http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/vista/windows_vista_no_longer_matters.html | Dec 30 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | >"[W]e're not going to have products that are much more successful than Vista has been." | Dec 30 00:00 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft Watch - Vista - Windows Vista No Longer Matters .::. Size~: 136.22 KB | Dec 30 00:00 |
| shreddar | Like pre Atari old. | Dec 30 00:00 |
| schestowitz | shreddar: yes, not by much | Dec 30 00:00 |
| schestowitz | Maddog is the dogfather [sic] of Linus' daughter (one of them) | Dec 30 00:00 |
| MinceR | 005257 < schestowitz> >"[W]e're not going to have products that are much more successful than Vista has been." | Dec 30 00:01 |
| MinceR | admission of defeat :> | Dec 30 00:01 |
| schestowitz | He was right | Dec 30 00:01 |
| schestowitz | Vista hype wasn't matched | Dec 30 00:01 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 is already off the headlines | Dec 30 00:01 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: Thanks for that MS-Watch link....some brilliant Da Costa comments: | Dec 30 00:01 |
| _goblin | "your idea that Windows Vista was a bad release is more like a tune from someone that has been living under a rock since the Flintstone ages." | Dec 30 00:01 |
| schestowitz | It's just PLANTED in new PCs | Dec 30 00:01 |
| schestowitz | Like a bmb | Dec 30 00:01 |
| _goblin | oh how Da Costa has changed his tune. | Dec 30 00:01 |
| schestowitz | Tune? | Dec 30 00:01 |
| schestowitz | Like MJ? | Dec 30 00:02 |
| *schestowitz listens to MJ | Dec 30 00:02 | |
| schestowitz | MJ died prematurely... he didn't live to die from the Vista 7 fiasco | Dec 30 00:02 |
| cubezzz | of course unix is older than Linux | Dec 30 00:02 |
| _goblin | damn | Dec 30 00:02 |
| jose_X | shreddar, _goblin said "Linus and UNIX" not Linux and UNIX | Dec 30 00:02 |
| cubezzz | much older | Dec 30 00:02 |
| schestowitz | ventually he dues from natural causes | Dec 30 00:02 |
| _goblin | you got there first roy. | Dec 30 00:02 |
| _goblin | I was just typing that... | Dec 30 00:02 |
| schestowitz | Not a yelping leaping fella' in NYC launch | Dec 30 00:02 |
| shreddar | Oh | Dec 30 00:02 |
| shreddar | That's cool. | Dec 30 00:03 |
| _goblin | Quote "shreddar, _goblin said "Linus and UNIX" not Linux and UNIX" - Did i? | Dec 30 00:03 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: no, Linus | Dec 30 00:03 |
| schestowitz | Torvalds | Dec 30 00:03 |
| _goblin | dont think Ive mentioned Linus today at all. | Dec 30 00:03 |
| jose_X | shreddar, sorry, it was schestowitz that said that.. not _goblin | Dec 30 00:03 |
| _goblin | ;) | Dec 30 00:03 |
| cubezzz | <shreddar> Isn't UNIX older than Linux though? | Dec 30 00:04 |
| _goblin | thought I was going crazy. | Dec 30 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Linus' dad called him after that new OS from AT&T *AND* Linus Pauling | Dec 30 00:04 |
| _goblin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwMGJAGvZlY | Dec 30 00:04 |
| jose_X | the names blur on my screen..... | Dec 30 00:04 |
| jose_X | ;-) | Dec 30 00:04 |
| schestowitz | He thought -- being a bit of a Fiinish communist -- let's call him after the Nobel prize winner *AND* that platform from Richie and that other guy | Dec 30 00:05 |
| cubezzz | 1969 so Unix and Linus were "born" the same year | Dec 30 00:05 |
| schestowitz | The whole "put Linux in FTP" story must be an evil evil coverup | Dec 30 00:05 |
| schestowitz | It was all planned | Dec 30 00:05 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: and the landing on the moon which some people say happened in Nevada | Dec 30 00:05 |
| *ThistleWeb has quit ("Lost terminal") | Dec 30 00:06 | |
| cubezzz | Ken Thompson, Dennis Ritchie, Brian Kernighan, Douglas McIlroy, and Joe Ossanna. | Dec 30 00:06 |
| schestowitz | Ossanna? | Dec 30 00:06 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like Obam,a | Dec 30 00:06 |
| schestowitz | Oh... | Dec 30 00:06 |
| schestowitz | Chomsky: "Obama bin Laden" Oops! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nAI7ShBQEk | Dec 30 00:06 |
| schestowitz | Pretty recent, weeks ago | Dec 30 00:06 |
| MinceR | :) | Dec 30 00:07 |
| schestowitz | He repeated the sliptwice | Dec 30 00:07 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he had Microsoft Word wired to his brain | Dec 30 00:07 |
| schestowitz | !google microsoft word osama obama | Dec 30 00:07 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Microsoft Word Now Knows the Difference Between Osama and Obama ... | http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/15/microsoft-word-now-knows-the-difference-between-osama-and-obama/ | Dec 30 00:07 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - The Volokh Conspiracy - Spell-Checking "Obama" into "Osama": | http://volokh.com/posts/1201996197.shtml | Dec 30 00:07 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - When Will Microsoft Word Stop Making Obama Into Osama? - Michael ... | http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2009/03/09/when-will-microsoft-word-stop-making-obama-into-osama.html | Dec 30 00:07 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Microsoft its OBAMA not OSAMA! Catch up spell check!!! - The ... | http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/microsoft-its-obama-not-osama-catch-up-spell-check | Dec 30 00:07 |
| cubezzz | no, we landed on the Moon :) | Dec 30 00:08 |
| cubezzz | there are laser reflectors on the Moon | Dec 30 00:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tgdaily.com/security-features/45217-hacker-cracks-gsm-encryption | Dec 30 00:08 |
| schestowitz | Another reason to assume cellphones are unsafe | Dec 30 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Privacy, wavelengths, cost, complexity... | Dec 30 00:09 |
| schestowitz | GSM is the new WEP | Dec 30 00:09 |
| cubezzz | not surprising | Dec 30 00:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] One of the best songs from a classic series! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4TLto-nKfU #reddwarf #smeghead | Dec 30 00:10 | |
| schestowitz | BN server is being crushed by load again | Dec 30 00:10 |
| schestowitz | This is becoming a serious issue | Dec 30 00:10 |
| schestowitz | Been hardly functional for like an hour now | Dec 30 00:11 |
| cubezzz | you are popular :) | Dec 30 00:12 |
| schestowitz | tessier: are you around? | Dec 30 00:12 |
| schestowitz | From looking at the logs, it might not be related to bots | Dec 30 00:13 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: no | Dec 30 00:13 |
| schestowitz | I don't think it's just normal traffic | Dec 30 00:13 |
| schestowitz | It comes in bursts that last for a while | Dec 30 00:13 |
| schestowitz | load average: 15.03, 13.72, 12.77 | Dec 30 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Then it can last like an hour | Dec 30 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Then go under 1 for hours | Dec 30 00:14 |
| cubezzz | start blocking some IPs perhaps? | Dec 30 00:14 |
| cubezzz | it's good to watch the traffic | Dec 30 00:14 |
| schestowitz | What's this... 174.129.115.216 - - [29/Dec/2009:16:03:47 -0800] "HEAD /2009/07/09/community-promise-sham/ HTTP/1.1" 200 - "-" "Java/1.6.0_16" | Dec 30 00:15 |
| schestowitz | It's ripping the server requesting loads of stuff | Dec 30 00:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&q=174.129.115.216+&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Dec 30 00:15 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: 174.129.115.216 - Google Search .::. Size~: 23.49 KB | Dec 30 00:15 |
| schestowitz | ec2-174-129-115-216.compute-1.amazonaws.com | Dec 30 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Maybe some crawler | Dec 30 00:16 |
| cubezzz | Amazon Web Services, Elastic Compute Cloud, EC2 | Dec 30 00:17 |
| schestowitz | I know. | Dec 30 00:17 |
| schestowitz | It's usually some kids playing with some spider of theirs | Dec 30 00:17 |
| schestowitz | Just hogging servers | Dec 30 00:17 |
| schestowitz | And not pacing down requests | Dec 30 00:17 |
| cubezzz | /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s $1 -j DROP | Dec 30 00:17 |
| schestowitz | BN has had many of those downtimes for the past few days becuase of that | Dec 30 00:18 |
| cubezzz | where $1 is the IP you want to drop | Dec 30 00:18 |
| schestowitz | load average: 1.44, 8.08, 10.79 | Dec 30 00:18 |
| cubezzz | or you can adjust your robots.txt | Dec 30 00:18 |
| schestowitz | This is really annoying | Dec 30 00:18 |
| schestowitz | I spend so much time just watching server load | Dec 30 00:18 |
| schestowitz | I can't take my eyes off it and it gets disractign | Dec 30 00:18 |
| schestowitz | I can't leave the house until I lower it down | Dec 30 00:18 |
| cubezzz | I can see you now | Dec 30 00:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.thezimbabwetimes.com/?p=26170 | Dec 30 00:19 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: MDC guilty of rescuing Zanu-PF through GNU | The Zimbabwe Times .::. Size~: 73.25 KB | Dec 30 00:19 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, here is a really bad one: | Dec 30 00:19 |
| cubezzz | 118.96.21.7 | Dec 30 00:19 |
| schestowitz | the 3rd load value in Cetos/rhel is 30 mins ot 15mins? | Dec 30 00:20 |
| cubezzz | known cracker | Dec 30 00:20 |
| schestowitz | *centos | Dec 30 00:20 |
| schestowitz | nm, 15 | Dec 30 00:20 |
| schestowitz | " uptime gives a one line display of the following information. The current time, how long the system has been running, how many users are currently logged on, and the system load averages for the past 1, 5, and 15 minutes." | Dec 30 00:20 |
| cubezzz | yeah | Dec 30 00:20 |
| schestowitz | Some distros make it 30 mins, IIRC | Dec 30 00:20 |
| cubezzz | recompile uptime :) | Dec 30 00:21 |
| cubezzz | you have the technology :) | Dec 30 00:21 |
| schestowitz | man pages say what's there | Dec 30 00:21 |
| cubezzz | you know uptime.c could use an update | Dec 30 00:23 |
| cubezzz | I'd suggest blocking some IP's though | Dec 30 00:23 |
| *_goblin has quit ("Ex-Chat") | Dec 30 00:24 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Done for the night....Take care all. | Dec 30 00:25 | |
| cubezzz | or put a governor on so no one IP address hogs all the bandwidth or accesses too often | Dec 30 00:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.liliputing.com/2009/12/norhtec-gecko-edubook-first-look-netbook-that-runs-on-aa-batteries.html | Dec 30 00:27 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: NorhTec Gecko Edubook first look: Netbook that runs on AA batteries .::. Size~: 33.61 KB | Dec 30 00:27 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: i'm not sure if this IP is the only problem | Dec 30 00:27 |
| schestowitz | I have no software for decent analysis | Dec 30 00:27 |
| schestowitz | I just have some UIP counter going | Dec 30 00:27 |
| schestowitz | In the old server, which we lost after the DDOS attacks, there was cpanel and swstats | Dec 30 00:28 |
| cubezzz | sometimes I'll watch a specific IP address | Dec 30 00:30 |
| cubezzz | e.g. /usr/sbin/tcpdump host 69.36.243.188 -X -s 128 | Dec 30 00:30 |
| cubezzz | look at error log, and see what shows up | Dec 30 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Late news: http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/linux/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=222100190 | Dec 30 00:31 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Red Hat Revenue Up 18% In 3Q -- Enteprise Linux -- InformationWeek .::. Size~: 95.54 KB | Dec 30 00:31 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: thanks | Dec 30 00:31 |
| schestowitz | I've mustly tailed -n50 the logs | Dec 30 00:32 |
| schestowitz | *mostly | Dec 30 00:32 |
| cubezzz | I wrote some scripts to watchdog processes from user nobody | Dec 30 00:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/firefox-3.6-4.0-google-chrome,9328.html | Dec 30 00:33 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Firefox 3.6 Delayed; 4.0 in Late 2010/Early 2011 - Tom's Hardware .::. Size~: 96.06 KB | Dec 30 00:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/29/im-on-a-mac-apple-fanboys_n_405861.html | Dec 30 00:34 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: I'm On A Mac: Apple Fanboys Spoof "I'm On A Boat" (VIDEO) .::. Size~: 312.76 KB | Dec 30 00:34 |
| schestowitz | http://lwn.net/Articles/368202/ | Dec 30 00:35 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Mandriva alert MDVSA-2009:189-1 (apache-mod_auth_mysql) [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 9.29 KB | Dec 30 00:35 |
| schestowitz | The Macboiz are strating the iSlate hype | Dec 30 00:36 |
| schestowitz | We ought tom counter with something catchy | Dec 30 00:37 |
| schestowitz | How about iLate? | Dec 30 00:37 |
| schestowitz | As in "too little, too late"? | Dec 30 00:37 |
| cubezzz | ok, who is H-man? :) | Dec 30 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Horacio | Dec 30 00:37 |
| schestowitz | I reckon | Dec 30 00:37 |
| schestowitz | He's their main gangsters for patents | Dec 30 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Disgraceful man | Dec 30 00:37 |
| schestowitz | I can show you a video of him visiting the EC with Pearly | Dec 30 00:37 |
| cubezzz | ok | Dec 30 00:37 |
| schestowitz | The Preston Gralla shill is now targetting Linux and OOo again | Dec 30 00:39 |
| jose_X | was googling and came upon a writeup from 1998 about how good it was for the justice dept.. | Dec 30 00:39 |
| shreddar | I just got reminded of this: | Dec 30 00:40 |
| shreddar | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/google_opt_out_feature_lets_users | Dec 30 00:40 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Google Opt Out Feature Lets Users Protect Privacy By Moving To Remote Village | The Onion - America's Finest News Source .::. Size~: 27.36 KB | Dec 30 00:40 |
| jose_X | to prevent the intuit microsoft merger in 1994... | Dec 30 00:40 |
| jose_X | eg, quote: | Dec 30 00:40 |
| jose_X | >> Unfortunately, Microsoft has used the breadth of its financial and technological power to slowly rebuild monopolistic positions in other parts of the computer world, allowing the company to position itself to build the monopoly position in online transactions it had initially sought through direct control of online standards. This highlights the need for continual vigilance by the Justice Department in investigating all aspects | Dec 30 00:40 |
| jose_X | of Microsoft's monopoly-oriented actions. It also highlights the danger of letting one company like Microsoft operate in so many aspects of the computer and telecommunications markets. Such vertical integration allows by its nature the use of power in one market to leverage anticompetitive advantages in other markets. | Dec 30 00:40 |
| jose_X | the onion was hilarious.. i spent some time a while back just browsing the clips | Dec 30 00:41 |
| jose_X | whoops.. here's the link http://www.netaction.org/msoft/finance/MS-Intuit.html | Dec 30 00:42 |
| schestowitz | https://careers.microsoft.com/JobDetails.aspx?ss=&pg=0&so=&rw=1&jid=9914&jlang=EN | Dec 30 00:42 |
| schestowitz | EDGI attack | Dec 30 00:42 |
| jose_X | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mFJdOsjJ0k | Dec 30 00:47 |
| jose_X | this one mocks friendster | Dec 30 00:48 |
| jose_X | a bit interesting to think what future researchers/historians/archeologists/etc would think about us | Dec 30 00:48 |
| jose_X | this one was a funny one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMKiIO4CB58 | Dec 30 00:49 |
| tessier | schestowitz: You rang? | Dec 30 00:50 |
| jose_X | (bill gates is mentioned btw, but there not lies the humor). | Dec 30 00:50 |
| jose_X | here is another one that i think i remember being quite funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSEOXRLSpVc | Dec 30 00:51 |
| jose_X | sorry for the distraction. | Dec 30 00:52 |
| jose_X | ooops, the last one was not what i had in mind. | Dec 30 00:53 |
| shreddar | The last one reminded me of this: | Dec 30 00:54 |
| shreddar | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/diebold_accidentally_leaks | Dec 30 00:54 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Diebold Accidentally Leaks Results Of 2008 Election Early | The Onion - America's Finest News Source .::. Size~: 24.67 KB | Dec 30 00:54 |
| schestowitz | tessier: I haven't, no | Dec 30 00:56 |
| sebsebseb | oh yeah guys | Dec 30 00:56 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/12/26/chinese-copy-cat-pirates-launch-ubuntu-that-looks-just-like-windows-xp | Dec 30 00:56 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Infamous Chinese pirates launch Ubuntu that looks just like Windows XP .::. Size~: 105.89 KB | Dec 30 00:56 |
| sebsebseb | know about that already schestowitz ? | Dec 30 00:57 |
| schestowitz | It seems like attempts to daemise FOSS for just code made public: http://www.product-reviews.net/2009/12/29/gsm-phone-calls-hacked-with-free-open-source-tools/ | Dec 30 00:59 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: GSM phone calls hacked with free open-source tools : Product Reviews Net .::. Size~: 23.41 KB | Dec 30 00:59 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: yes | Dec 30 00:59 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: or so you say :D anyway what you think of it? | Dec 30 00:59 |
| jose_X | shreddar, i did like that last one about the diebold leak | Dec 30 01:00 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yeah that news has been around for a while now, and you tend to be rather up to date with Linux news | Dec 30 01:00 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: I saw it some weeks back | Dec 30 01:01 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: use the links roundups in BN | Dec 30 01:01 |
| schestowitz | We're quite fasta t these | Dec 30 01:01 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: links round up? | Dec 30 01:01 |
| schestowitz | http://finchannel.com/Main_News/Tech/55198_Mozilla_delays_Firefox_3.6,_until_the_first_quarter_of_2010/ | Dec 30 01:02 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: http://boycottnovell.com/category/news-roundup/ | Dec 30 01:03 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The FINANCIAL - Mozilla delays Firefox 3.6, until the first quarter of 2010 .::. Size~: 55.73 KB | Dec 30 01:03 |
| schestowitz | It's quite complete | Dec 30 01:03 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: News Roundup | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 461.62 KB | Dec 30 01:03 |
| sebsebseb | found out about it on IRC this morning, and http://www.linuxtoday.com also has it, so I ended up going on the article I was linked to in IRC, from Linux Today | Dec 30 01:03 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Linux Today - Linux News On Internet Time. .::. Size~: 115.75 KB | Dec 30 01:03 |
| sebsebseb | on the subject of China a British man was recently put to death there | Dec 30 01:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.financialnewsusa.com/news/china-executes-briton-for | Dec 30 01:04 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: China executes Briton for Drug Smuggling - Financial News USA .::. Size~: 15.08 KB | Dec 30 01:04 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: and BBC has an article | Dec 30 01:04 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: some countries in the West execute and torture without trial every day | Dec 30 01:05 |
| sebsebseb | I actsaully found out on BBC TV news, in the night, not last night, but the night before, about how he would probably be executed | Dec 30 01:05 |
| schestowitz | It seems to me more of the anti-China rhetoric with a personal story | Dec 30 01:05 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well USA still has the death sentance in at least some parts, as far as I know | Dec 30 01:05 |
| sebsebseb | ,but in USA I think it will only be for much more serious crimes | Dec 30 01:06 |
| schestowitz | YEs | Dec 30 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Homocide | Dec 30 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Homicide | Dec 30 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Funny typo | Dec 30 01:06 |
| shreddar | I thought all countrys had that policy. | Dec 30 01:06 |
| schestowitz | No | Dec 30 01:06 |
| schestowitz | UK ceased it | Dec 30 01:06 |
| schestowitz | US used to execute in gas chambers, too | Dec 30 01:06 |
| shreddar | You mean no death penalty for anything? | Dec 30 01:07 |
| sebsebseb | shreddar: indeed | Dec 30 01:07 |
| MinceR | Execution Environment | Dec 30 01:07 |
| MinceR | ;) | Dec 30 01:07 |
| shreddar | Seriously? | Dec 30 01:07 |
| sebsebseb | yes | Dec 30 01:07 |
| sebsebseb | none at all anymore for the UK | Dec 30 01:07 |
| shreddar | Not even murder? | Dec 30 01:07 |
| sebsebseb | and that's been years and years now | Dec 30 01:07 |
| sebsebseb | and yes not even for that | Dec 30 01:07 |
| schestowitz | Now the death penalty is a joy | Dec 30 01:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Last damage to laptop: screen crack! Livid multicoloured streaks on screen. This is why we have IT departments for expensive kit. >_< | Dec 30 01:07 | |
| schestowitz | You get to choose to eat your favourite meal | Dec 30 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Then you get cocktails | Dec 30 01:08 |
| schestowitz | So you don't feel a thing | Dec 30 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Bundy got the chair in his time | Dec 30 01:08 |
| schestowitz | DId anyone watch The Green Mile? | Dec 30 01:08 |
| sebsebseb | yes | Dec 30 01:08 |
| sebsebseb | good film | Dec 30 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Dec 30 01:08 |
| sebsebseb | good book as well | Dec 30 01:08 |
| schestowitz | I watched it several times | Dec 30 01:08 |
| shreddar | Yes I like it too. | Dec 30 01:09 |
| shreddar | The Green Mile that is. | Dec 30 01:09 |
| sebsebseb | who's Bundy, and what about The Green Mile? | Dec 30 01:10 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: | Dec 30 01:10 |
| schestowitz | When you see the question mark you can tell it's anti-FOSS: http://www.internetretailer.com/article.asp?id=32975 | Dec 30 01:14 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Open for business? | InternetRetailer.com .::. Size~: 41 KB | Dec 30 01:14 |
| schestowitz | I know it was FOSS FUD just from reading the headline | Dec 30 01:14 |
| schestowitz | Like, "no free lunch" | Dec 30 01:14 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: Ted Bundy | Dec 30 01:14 |
| schestowitz | I happen to have watched the A&E bio, but just part one the other day | Dec 30 01:14 |
| schestowitz | Got bored | Dec 30 01:14 |
| schestowitz | It's weird that A&E seems to be fixated on just bios of killers | Dec 30 01:15 |
| schestowitz | Look it up and YouTube | Dec 30 01:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=a%26e&search_type=&aq=f | Dec 30 01:15 |
| schestowitz | Just lots of serial killers for some reason | Dec 30 01:15 |
| schestowitz | I found one that's good though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiNaGuHpwzc&feature=related | Dec 30 01:16 |
| schestowitz | This is a quick 100 | Dec 30 01:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pYzaBh-HkI&feature=related | Dec 30 01:16 |
| schestowitz | Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEJhS7FgZA4&feature=related | Dec 30 01:16 |
| schestowitz | It's about 3 hourds | Dec 30 01:16 |
| schestowitz | *hours | Dec 30 01:16 |
| schestowitz | They included criminals... like Bill Gates :-) | Dec 30 01:17 |
| schestowitz | But they did a hogwash on him | Dec 30 01:17 |
| schestowitz | http://lwn.net/Articles/368219/ | Dec 30 01:17 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: OSCON 2010: Call for Proposals [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 7.81 KB | Dec 30 01:17 |
| *shreddar has quit ("Page closed") | Dec 30 01:24 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Please note, btw, that the Toshiba Portege R600 is shiny, powerful, expensive and STUPIDLY flimsy and fragile. | Dec 30 01:25 | |
| jose_X | schestowitz, i asked this before... | Dec 30 01:37 |
| jose_X | are the comes exhibit documents (pdf) listed somewhere with a marker specifying if they have been translated on BN? | Dec 30 01:38 |
| jose_X | with groklaw working on this (at least by doing summaries if not full translations), why not share/combine efforts | Dec 30 01:38 |
| jose_X | ? | Dec 30 01:38 |
| jose_X | people would need a guide to know what has been done and what hasn't. .. the wiki could keep the updated list. | Dec 30 01:39 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: I told them | Dec 30 01:40 |
| schestowitz | See my comments in Groklaw | Dec 30 01:40 |
| jose_X | do you have a link? | Dec 30 01:41 |
| jose_X | btw, do you have a list of what has been done? | Dec 30 01:42 |
| jose_X | whatever people do, at least this info is coming out faster if bn pays attention. pj is not in a position (in agreement with her personality) to get negative with novell, at least not too much and while novell has probably cause [I would think] | Dec 30 01:43 |
| jose_X | *probable cause* | Dec 30 01:44 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I know | Dec 30 01:49 |
| schestowitz | Well, it's not easy to check dupes with BN | Dec 30 01:49 |
| schestowitz | I have tricks for checking | Dec 30 01:49 |
| schestowitz | From the back end | Dec 30 01:49 |
| schestowitz | I can find |grep | Dec 30 01:49 |
| jose_X | oh, so you grep for all the .pdf looking things and then compare... yeah, i would have to download all pages and then do that. can that be done once for everyone's benefit and then maintained? | Dec 30 02:00 |
| schestowitz | sometimes I use CMS seach or Google search or memory | Dec 30 02:16 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: actually, that's a good idea | Dec 30 02:16 |
| schestowitz | I could send the output to GL | Dec 30 02:16 |
| schestowitz | Hold on | Dec 30 02:17 |
| trmanco | hey guys | Dec 30 02:17 |
| trmanco | :) | Dec 30 02:17 |
| sebsebseb | wow not much going on in here tonight | Dec 30 02:19 |
| sebsebseb | anyway I got it wrong earlier, the link I gave earlier was the one from a guy in IRC. ,but this is the one that is linked to from Linux Today | Dec 30 02:19 |
| sebsebseb | http://shanzai.com/index.php/market-mayhem/news/575-windows-xp-gets-the-shanzhai-treatment | Dec 30 02:19 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=2009122612211929&title=PDFs+I%27ve+done+%28%2Bsome+other+stuff%29&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=810136#c810301 | Dec 30 02:20 |
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| schestowitz | That's what you asked for, I guess | Dec 30 02:20 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: still there? | Dec 30 02:25 |
| schestowitz | useful at all? | Dec 30 02:25 |
| schestowitz | I just pasted there 'find | grep .pdf' | Dec 30 02:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @FFII: Here is the i4i patent infringed by Microsoft, U.S. Patent No. 5,787,449 http://www.google.com/patents?id=y8UkAAAAEBAJ #noooxml | Dec 30 02:28 | |
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| jose_X | sorry, was away | Dec 30 02:30 |
| jose_X | looking at it quickly, i would say what you want is the pdfs (number.pdf) under the directory comes-vs-microsoft .. schestowitz | Dec 30 02:33 |
| schestowitz | What do you mean? | Dec 30 02:33 |
| schestowitz | What I did there is informed GL, with regards to what I have and they can avoid doing | Dec 30 02:34 |
| oiaohm | http://ask.slashdot.org/story/09/12/29/2129221/Uniforms-For-the-Help-Desk Boy I don't know what they are complaining about. | Dec 30 02:36 |
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| oiaohm | Last Help desk uniform I had was a biohazard shirt. | Dec 30 02:36 |
| jose_X | for example, what would this be, schestowitz: " | Dec 30 02:38 |
| jose_X | ./wp2pdf/font/symbol.php" | Dec 30 02:38 |
| oiaohm | That was choson by the boss by the way because on a bad day basic request after basic request I could turn into a Bastard operater from hell. | Dec 30 02:38 |
| jose_X | or "./images/pdf.png" | Dec 30 02:39 |
| oiaohm | Basically I was the head of support desk to sort out complex problems. | Dec 30 02:39 |
| jose_X | I don't think these are comes exhibit pdfs | Dec 30 02:39 |
| oiaohm | That images and wp2pdf is word press handing stuff. | Dec 30 02:40 |
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| jose_X | you have this: "./wp-content/uploads/" which appears to include many pdfs that look right, but perhaps these aren't the ones you converted. | Dec 30 02:41 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: they are | Dec 30 02:43 |
| jose_X | ? | Dec 30 02:44 |
| schestowitz | I just piped the output there, along with less relevant stuff | Dec 30 02:44 |
| jose_X | what is what? | Dec 30 02:44 |
| schestowitz | Just a list of PDFs on the site | Dec 30 02:44 |
| jose_X | ok | Dec 30 02:44 |
| jose_X | the best starting point might be groklaws site. mimic the setup there. | Dec 30 02:45 |
| jose_X | then use your list to hunt down the corresponding groklaw link and bn translation link if one is found (perhaps use google for this). | Dec 30 02:45 |
| jose_X | keep a copy of this in wiki.. | Dec 30 02:45 |
| oiaohm | Really have to wonder if it worth while creating a mirrorable comes project. | Dec 30 02:45 |
| jose_X | so the wiki would mirror groklaw and have each translated link marked somehow (eg, followed by a symbol/hyperlink to the translation if it exists) | Dec 30 02:46 |
| jose_X | it's just names | Dec 30 02:46 |
| jose_X | oiaohm | Dec 30 02:46 |
| jose_X | i haven't looked at this closer yet but it seems fairly straightforward | Dec 30 02:47 |
| jose_X | the task would be to verify/find a bn link where possible (use google and roy's printed list). | Dec 30 02:47 |
| oiaohm | Each comes archive to form has had a unique format to it. Not design to be mirrorable or downloadable for searching. | Dec 30 02:48 |
| jose_X | ..and then keep it updated.. though PJ and others can participate with the updates. | Dec 30 02:48 |
| jose_X | sure, but we can standardize on groklaw's setup.. | Dec 30 02:48 |
| jose_X | if that will allow groklaw to more easily verify. | Dec 30 02:48 |
| jose_X | groklaw has a large audience and presumably will leverage that.. | Dec 30 02:49 |
| oiaohm | That is what I think should be talked about can we standardize this one. Then other important events of legal history we can have a format. | Dec 30 02:49 |
| jose_X | if not then bn will still keep going, but an order would always help | Dec 30 02:49 |
| jose_X | btw, i haven't looked at comes download links much but from groklaw's site i see that the files might be disorganized | Dec 30 02:49 |
| jose_X | groklaw also has some html pages (testimony) | Dec 30 02:49 |
| jose_X | groklaw does a lot of work of this nature with effort on correctness and precision. They also have a large audience. | Dec 30 02:50 |
| oiaohm | We are at the same point with legal court documents as we were with rough build application help guides before the wikipedia appear and most started standising on mediawiki. | Dec 30 02:50 |
| jose_X | i wouldn't know what to suggest. pj has experience as a paralegal on what might be a good organization in general | Dec 30 02:51 |
| jose_X | though i'm only thinking about comes in this case | Dec 30 02:51 |
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| oiaohm | Each case layout evendince in a simple to search way is handy. | Dec 30 02:52 |
| jose_X | if organized well (with toc), it should be self explanatory even if it doesn't follow any industry standard that might or not exist | Dec 30 02:52 |
| oiaohm | Key quote and the like don't show up in just a toc | Dec 30 02:52 |
| jose_X | as concerns dates, there is the date of admission but also a date that might be closely related to the document | Dec 30 02:53 |
| jose_X | however, there might be many dates associated with any particular exhibit | Dec 30 02:53 |
| oiaohm | The big thing is how to do the indexing jose_X | Dec 30 02:53 |
| jose_X | we can start to identify important classes of eg dates | Dec 30 02:53 |
| jose_X | we can just initially work off the comes set | Dec 30 02:53 |
| jose_X | well we translate to text and find some sort of hierarchy..hmm | Dec 30 02:54 |
| jose_X | nepomuk.. tags... | Dec 30 02:54 |
| jose_X | keywords/tags can complement a text search | Dec 30 02:54 |
| oiaohm | ie BN has gone threw comes finding points of interest. Ok Mostly schestowitz. Those points of interest are useful. | Dec 30 02:54 |
| jose_X | absolutely.. | Dec 30 02:54 |
| jose_X | groklaw wants to do summaries, which is roughly that | Dec 30 02:54 |
| jose_X | bn has whole articles actually so potentially a lot of metadata may have already been created indirectly | Dec 30 02:55 |
| oiaohm | summaries are also another lot of useful data but searchable is always important. | Dec 30 02:55 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: can you help organise the Wiki? | Dec 30 02:55 |
| schestowitz | You could create all this and link it together with little effort | Dec 30 02:55 |
| jose_X | it's a matter of motivation | Dec 30 02:55 |
| schestowitz | I won't have the time to do this | Dec 30 02:55 |
| jose_X | maybe i will be helping here | Dec 30 02:55 |
| oiaohm | Basically everything could be a lot simpler of a common standard for doing it can be decide on jose_X | Dec 30 02:56 |
| oiaohm | So its worth a shot to get one. | Dec 30 02:56 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: audience in BN, in terms of volume, seems similar to Groklaw | Dec 30 02:56 |
| jose_X | yes oiaohm | Dec 30 02:56 |
| schestowitz | Since about a year ago | Dec 30 02:56 |
| jose_X | ok for manpower | Dec 30 02:56 |
| jose_X | groklaw is law sophisticated, but yes, bn might even have more people motivated to do this sort of stuff | Dec 30 02:57 |
| jose_X | after all, even if we remove you from the picture, much has been done for bn | Dec 30 02:57 |
| schestowitz | BN doesn't encourage participation | Dec 30 02:57 |
| schestowitz | People don't want their name on a site that says "Boycott xxxxx" | Dec 30 02:57 |
| jose_X | what i meant i think is that groklaw has a more formal organization | Dec 30 02:57 |
| schestowitz | But they do read | Dec 30 02:57 |
| jose_X | and aims at neutrality | Dec 30 02:57 |
| oiaohm | And the ones like me who are participation are mostly chasing current going on. | Dec 30 02:57 |
| oiaohm | And not going into the past. Search able index would be useful at times to line up current events with repeats of old. | Dec 30 02:58 |
| schestowitz | This can already be done | Dec 30 03:02 |
| schestowitz | google site:http://boycottnovell.com SEARCH TERM | Dec 30 03:03 |
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| schestowitz | It does PDF too | Dec 30 03:03 |
| schestowitz | Where there's text inside or HTML extracts | Dec 30 03:03 |
| jose_X | tagging/keywords/etc can improve searching. | Dec 30 03:05 |
| jose_X | even if we then use google | Dec 30 03:06 |
| schestowitz | YEah, wel.. takes time | Dec 30 03:06 |
| schestowitz | That's why BN wiki has the exhibits under topics | Dec 30 03:06 |
| jose_X | slow process foss way | Dec 30 03:06 |
| schestowitz | with overlap pointing to some that apply to several | Dec 30 03:06 |
| jose_X | in any case, translating takes time | Dec 30 03:06 |
| schestowitz | It also has categories | Dec 30 03:06 |
| schestowitz | You can help improve this | Dec 30 03:06 |
| schestowitz | Just edit the wiki as you see fit, please | Dec 30 03:06 |
| schestowitz | And yes, some docs I did were like 60 pages and took me many hours to do | Dec 30 03:07 |
| schestowitz | Doing voice->text takes ages if the person speaks fast | Dec 30 03:07 |
| schestowitz | You have to go back and forth and back again | Dec 30 03:07 |
| jose_X | roy, you can't do everything, but distributed, it can get done | Dec 30 03:07 |
| jose_X | juicy topics especially | Dec 30 03:08 |
| jose_X | maybe someone can formalize the Comes Exhibit Translation Project | Dec 30 03:08 |
| jose_X | yes, the boycott in the domain name is a negative. | Dec 30 03:09 |
| jose_X | i will go to bed soon, btw | Dec 30 03:10 |
| schestowitz | Quality maybe overcomes the name | Dec 30 03:10 |
| jose_X | sure | Dec 30 03:10 |
| schestowitz | People recognise the site by its name and focus | Dec 30 03:10 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw could be boycottsco.com | Dec 30 03:10 |
| jose_X | in any case, that would be an asset that various people would like to mirror in some way | Dec 30 03:10 |
| schestowitz | Would fit the site's theme alright | Dec 30 03:10 |
| schestowitz | Mono-Nono seems to have become TheSource | Dec 30 03:11 |
| schestowitz | Jason just doesn't write for the former domain these days | Dec 30 03:11 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he realised the site's name was a deterrent, I dunno | Dec 30 03:11 |
| jose_X | i have no problem working here.. and that is what i would do absent a better option.. but as you said, some people read but don't participate much | Dec 30 03:11 |
| schestowitz | That's OK | Dec 30 03:12 |
| schestowitz | If I see 7500 unique IPs on xmas eve, then I know I don't write in vain | Dec 30 03:12 |
| schestowitz | So I carry on. Audience is a motivator | Dec 30 03:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Kerala Legislators Get Their GNU/Linux Laptops with Free Software http://www.mathrubhumi.org/news.php?id=28258 | Dec 30 03:14 | |
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| jose_X | i never did get back to the interview.. it's interesting. i want to know more about microsoft's talks with novell about merging.. which resulted in drdos/novell project stagnation i think | Dec 30 03:14 |
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| schestowitz | jose_X: looking at these many exhibits can become an obsession | Dec 30 03:16 |
| schestowitz | You want to get them finished and connected | Dec 30 03:16 |
| schestowitz | The connection is hard work | Dec 30 03:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Structural Advantages of #GNU #Linux and How to Make it Look Like Anything http://ur1.ca/ipye http://ur1.ca/ipyf | Dec 30 03:17 | |
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| schestowitz | And if the obsession is not stopped, then you end up tired and grumpy like Cantor | Dec 30 03:17 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: the video froze on me at 1hr:37min | Dec 30 03:17 |
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| jose_X | we can start by identifying tags to standardize on. | Dec 30 03:20 |
| jose_X | btw, one tag can be "transcript" and include the text | Dec 30 03:20 |
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| jose_X | then we simply add tags to the pdfs and a program can do the ordering for us (it's like we fill in the database and then our queries line everything up in some particular view or other) | Dec 30 03:21 |
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| jose_X | i think i will go... comes is too interesting for this not to get done eventually | Dec 30 03:23 |
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| schestowitz | jose_X: yes | Dec 30 03:25 |
| sebsebseb | that first comment hmm | Dec 30 03:25 |
| schestowitz | We have categories | Dec 30 03:25 |
| schestowitz | They are like tags | Dec 30 03:25 |
| schestowitz | We have them both in Wiki and blog | Dec 30 03:25 |
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| schestowitz | They help group items | Dec 30 03:26 |
| schestowitz | By grouping you can present more relevant info to new visitors | Dec 30 03:26 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: it's like RedFlag reborn in a way, just less legitimate | Dec 30 03:27 |
| jose_X | a tag could be "keywords" another could be "summary" another could be "transcript" | Dec 30 03:27 |
| jose_X | another could be "link to court transcript where exhibit appears" | Dec 30 03:27 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well there are people who want Ubuntu to look like XP, and quite a lot of them I guess | Dec 30 03:28 |
| jose_X | another could be "date of submission" | Dec 30 03:28 |
| jose_X | .. "dates/times of interview" | Dec 30 03:28 |
| jose_X | .. "time periods covered" | Dec 30 03:28 |
| jose_X | "email from/to/subject" | Dec 30 03:28 |
| jose_X | .."type of exhibit" eg, handwritten notes or email(s) or picture etc | Dec 30 03:29 |
| jose_X | .."participants" | Dec 30 03:30 |
| jose_X | tags, like xml, would be context sensitive, eg, only some types of exhibits would have certain other nested tags | Dec 30 03:31 |
| jose_X | tags can be element/attribute/whatever.. i'm using jargon loosely | Dec 30 03:31 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: yes, we sort of have dates | Dec 30 03:32 |
| schestowitz | See the layout in some of the exhibits in the Wiki | Dec 30 03:32 |
| jose_X | we can customize searches based on the tag semantics.. eg, we might put all of this in a database of some sort and then use sql with parameters for various types of search queries .. and then format the results accordingly.. this would all give more info than a simple google search would | Dec 30 03:33 |
| jose_X | i will check this more carefully later | Dec 30 03:33 |
| jose_X | now i think i will leave (soon) | Dec 30 03:33 |
| schestowitz | Thanks a lot! | Dec 30 03:33 |
| jose_X | the work can be done distributed to a large degree. eg, there can be a place on the wiki initially where we simply identify what has a transcript or not. people can work at own pace on this.. others can work on keywords or on dates or on summaries... | Dec 30 03:34 |
| jose_X | so to get all of this metadata down, we can use the various pages of the wiki, each focusing on a specific type of task. | Dec 30 03:35 |
| jose_X | once we have enough metadata, we will be able to test out the queries.. or course, we enter everying into a database of some sort first | Dec 30 03:35 |
| jose_X | as oiaohm was saying, if we do this, we might as well try to do it decently with the idea that we can apply the techniques and structure, etc, to other court material of similar form.. | Dec 30 03:37 |
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| jose_X | schestowitz... | Dec 30 03:38 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, jose_x | Dec 30 03:39 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Dec 30 03:39 |
| schestowitz | He's out | Dec 30 03:39 |
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| schestowitz | I've just changed that back | Dec 30 03:58 |
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| DaemonFC | :P | Dec 30 05:39 |
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| cubezzz | it's a failure if you buy it | Dec 30 05:46 |
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| DaemonFC | cubezzz: "DRMBOX 666....*ZAP*.....E74 - Contact Microsoft Support" | Dec 30 06:01 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 30 06:01 |
| DaemonFC | "So I sold the new refurb, all my games, etc. today to a woman and her teenage son off Craigslist, and may whatever god they believe in have mercy on their souls. I may be going to hell specifically for selling them an XBOX 360. " | Dec 30 06:05 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: from my blog post I'm writing | Dec 30 06:05 |
| DaemonFC | time to encode my Red Hot Chili Peppers discography to Vorbis | Dec 30 06:10 |
| DaemonFC | this might take a while (6 GB FLAC) | Dec 30 06:10 |
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| DaemonFC | Ender2071? | Dec 30 07:58 |
| DaemonFC | there's two fo you now? | Dec 30 07:58 |
| DaemonFC | *of | Dec 30 07:58 |
| tessier | schestowitz: I did temporarily to see if it would affect the load. Hope you don't mind. It does seem to have brought the load down. I'll unblock them now and see if it goes back up over the next day or so... | Dec 30 08:07 |
| tessier | Hope you don't mind. | Dec 30 08:07 |
| tessier | oops...already said that. | Dec 30 08:07 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] At the cinema for the first time in ages. Watching Alvin and the chipmunks with the kids (obviously) and a bucket of coke. #fb | Dec 30 10:34 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Music before film. Sophie tells me she has never heard this song (fairytale of new york) before. I feel even older than I already did. #fb | Dec 30 10:41 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Shit. Rowland S. Howard's dead? | Dec 30 10:57 | |
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| schestowitz | tessier: thanks | Dec 30 11:27 |
| schestowitz | Indeed, the difference with and without bots is rather significant | Dec 30 11:27 |
| oiaohm | http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=1368607 | Dec 30 11:34 |
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| oiaohm | Wonder how long before Apple wakes up they are out gunned. | Dec 30 11:34 |
| oiaohm | Remember apple sits on many key patents to do font rendering. | Dec 30 11:35 |
| DaemonFC | hmm, that was fast | Dec 30 11:41 |
| DaemonFC | that game I bought on ebay a few hours ago is on the way already | Dec 30 11:41 |
| DaemonFC | it might actually get here before the console | Dec 30 11:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Must watch -- Phase 3 pt.11 (Computerized Humanity) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkhBhF3bGAM | Dec 30 11:43 | |
| zoobab_ | pong | Dec 30 11:50 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Dec 30 11:52 |
| schestowitz | DId you manage to clip some stuff? | Dec 30 11:53 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I was just about to write about it | Dec 30 11:53 |
| zoobab_ | noy yet | Dec 30 11:54 |
| zoobab_ | not yet i am on holiday | Dec 30 11:54 |
| zoobab_ | with just my mobile phone as a way to connect to the net | Dec 30 11:55 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Phase 3 pt.12 (The Living Dead) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5wYQtv1PfM | Dec 30 12:09 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft’s EDGI Still Alive, Under “Linux and Open Office Compete” http://ur1.ca/iqno ( @glynmoody missed the bigger story ) | Dec 30 12:12 | |
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| schestowitz | zoobab_: oh, cool. You have IRC gateway on it? | Dec 30 12:13 |
| schestowitz | zoobab_: what does the Spanish socialist who replaces Neelie think of the Redmond posse? | Dec 30 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6493722340610946105&ei=YkE7S-ioOJ6yqgKA073RDA# | Dec 30 12:14 |
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| DaemonFC | I love how he gets through the first level | Dec 30 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | game bugs ftw! :) | Dec 30 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | there's Windows freeware to run Nintendo 64 ROMS | Dec 30 12:15 |
| DaemonFC | it may be GPL, I'm not sure | Dec 30 12:15 |
| DaemonFC | someone ported wgens to Linux at one point but that was the last I saw of it | Dec 30 12:17 |
| DaemonFC | I've never played any Metroid games | Dec 30 12:24 |
| DaemonFC | my ex was crazy about them though | Dec 30 12:24 |
| DaemonFC | if Nintendo put their logo on it, he had it | Dec 30 12:24 |
| DaemonFC | expensive habit, but better than ending up with a drunk I suppose :) | Dec 30 12:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia Expands #Patent Strike Against #Apple http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/30/sanctions-against-apple/ | Dec 30 12:31 | |
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| oiaohm | http://code.google.com/p/mupen64plus/ So you never found this N64 for Linux DaemonFC | Dec 30 12:41 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: I use Project64 | Dec 30 12:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] webservers with uptime are over rated :/ | Dec 30 12:42 | |
| oiaohm | Project64 is windows only. And really does not compete with the mupen64 sets. | Dec 30 12:42 |
| oiaohm | Main advantage of mupen64 is multi versions of the graphics generation system so you can enhance the graphic output of some games very well. DaemonFC | Dec 30 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | the only game Project64 can't run is Star Wars: Rogue Squadron | Dec 30 12:44 |
| DaemonFC | I think there's something on that cartridge that expands the console itself | Dec 30 12:44 |
| oiaohm | I don't think Project64 supports N64 joysticks with rumble packs. | Dec 30 12:44 |
| DaemonFC | it only really worked well on the N64 if you had the RAM expansion pack installed in the top of the console | Dec 30 12:45 |
| oiaohm | Yes the ram size in mupen64 is settalbe to the same as if you have the RAM expansion pack. | Dec 30 12:45 |
| oiaohm | Does Project64 lack that as well. | Dec 30 12:45 |
| DaemonFC | Project64 does that | Dec 30 12:45 |
| DaemonFC | but there's something funky about the game itself | Dec 30 12:46 |
| DaemonFC | no, Project64 runs every N64 game but that one | Dec 30 12:46 |
| DaemonFC | you start it up but the screen is garbled | Dec 30 12:46 |
| oiaohm | I have never seen game not work in mupen64 including that one. | Dec 30 12:46 |
| DaemonFC | it starts playing the game's theme music | Dec 30 12:46 |
| oiaohm | Ok they have the graphics emulation minorly stuffed up. | Dec 30 12:47 |
| oiaohm | http://www.emutalk.net/archive/index.php/t-37068.html 2006 under mupen64 it was a bastard to run Rogue Squadron you had to manually rebuild it with half ram DaemonFC | Dec 30 12:52 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC: I have a dead N64 here and the roms. So I kinda endup playing them on PC I payed for the games. | Dec 30 12:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Back to the inlaws for post-cinema (wii) bowling and traditional turkey & ham pie with the in-laws. Great way to spend a family day #fb | Dec 30 13:03 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Looking at my last tweet I think someone should write an app that re-words your tweets to make them grammatically correct and brief. #fb | Dec 30 13:09 | |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: Nintendo did a lot of things that resulting in stuff having to be cut of of games being ported to fit on a cartridge or in 4 MB of RAM | Dec 30 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | you hade to buy another 4 MB RAM Expansion Pak before most of the best titles worked well or at all | Dec 30 13:15 |
| oiaohm | And then you had evil titles like Rogue Squadron that detect Expansion pack and bail. | Dec 30 13:19 |
| oiaohm | Yes pain in but in the real console. | Dec 30 13:19 |
| oiaohm | There was a replay cartiage out on the thrid party that also went in the Expansion pack location. | Dec 30 13:22 |
| oiaohm | So some latter games class having 8 megs as having the cheat installed. | Dec 30 13:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Installing BBC iplayer on the inlaws Wii. | Dec 30 13:24 | |
| DaemonFC | no, Rogue Squadron ran in 640 x 480 resolution with the expansion | Dec 30 13:28 |
| DaemonFC | or the default 320 x 200 without it | Dec 30 13:28 |
| schestowitz | Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr........ stupid zombies or bots are messing up with BN's server | Dec 30 13:29 |
| oiaohm | When you have working graphics with it you will get a message tell you to turn off console and remove the expansion DaemonFC | Dec 30 13:30 |
| DaemonFC | not on the N64 | Dec 30 13:30 |
| oiaohm | What version cartigrae do you have. | Dec 30 13:31 |
| oiaohm | There are two versions of it cartitage one is a prick one is not. | Dec 30 13:31 |
| oiaohm | You must have got lucky with your rogue Squadron with the n64 and not got the anti cheat version. | Dec 30 13:33 |
| DaemonFC | I think Nintendo finally learned that people hate add-ons | Dec 30 13:34 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: The Rogue Squadron manual recommended the Expansion Pak | Dec 30 13:34 |
| DaemonFC | was also on the box | Dec 30 13:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] workfromhome day. cracked LCD viewable area decreasing as day goes on. replacement ready tomorrow. poor little laptop with flimsy screen. | Dec 30 13:35 | |
| oiaohm | Ok second version DaemonFC | Dec 30 13:35 |
| oiaohm | There is a third version that is a pure prick DaemonFC | Dec 30 13:36 |
| DaemonFC | must be for PAL or something | Dec 30 13:36 |
| oiaohm | You run the cartigate first time in a machine with a Expansion pak in and it tells you to remove it. Then it has the gall to tell you to put it back in. Then everything works. | Dec 30 13:37 |
| oiaohm | Who ever dreamed that idea up on the third version should be shot. | Dec 30 13:37 |
| oiaohm | There are a lot of rom images on line of it that are the third annoying version. | Dec 30 13:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] “Boycott Bing” Revisited, #Google Makes It Obsolete Anyway http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/30/microsoft-strategizes-on-china/ | Dec 30 13:40 | |
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| schestowitz | http://theyesmen.org/canadareacts | Dec 30 13:42 |
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| oiaohm | Heck google does not even do well in china. | Dec 30 13:42 |
| schestowitz | I know | Dec 30 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Worst market for them | Dec 30 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Baidu censors, right? | Dec 30 13:42 |
| oiaohm | qq.com that is based in china is google largest remianing competitor | Dec 30 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Worse then Google? | Dec 30 13:42 |
| oiaohm | Baidu is qq.com | Dec 30 13:42 |
| oiaohm | qq.com stuff is bias to local china stuff over everything else. | Dec 30 13:43 |
| oiaohm | Like you would be lucky to find a international site before the 15 page. | Dec 30 13:43 |
| oiaohm | I really don't think MS will bend far enough like advertising goverment OS redflag Linux | Dec 30 13:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Having issues with some rogue bots hammering on Boycott Novell these days, leading to unavailability | Dec 30 13:45 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yeah.... | Dec 30 13:45 |
| oiaohm | google really does have a better chance in that market. | Dec 30 13:45 |
| oiaohm | And it not much of one. | Dec 30 13:46 |
| oiaohm | Intresting. whole stack of MS boster sites dissappear now you are being attacked. | Dec 30 13:46 |
| oiaohm | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/12/30/0027217/Following-In-Bings-Footsteps-Yahoo-and-Flickr-Censor-Porn-In-India | Dec 30 13:50 |
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| oiaohm | Now this is just sad. | Dec 30 13:50 |
| oiaohm | The internet was mostly built from the money from porn. | Dec 30 13:50 |
| oiaohm | https://careers.microsoft.com/JobDetails.aspx?ss=&pg=0&so=&rw=1&jid=9914&jlang=EN | Dec 30 13:53 |
| oiaohm | Now for all those uses who say MS don't care. | Dec 30 13:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Pedro Valesco-Martins Explains the #ACTA #Conspiracy http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/30/pedro-valesco-martins-lobby/ #whitecollarcrime | Dec 30 13:57 | |
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| [BNC] | fag | Dec 30 13:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/2009/12/28/2b2k-notes-on-the-history-of-information-overload/ | Dec 30 14:06 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.miamiherald.com/news/florida/AP/story/1402835.html | Dec 30 14:07 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Dec 30 14:07 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: maybe drunk | Dec 30 14:09 |
| DaemonFC | You hear about people calling 911 for all kinds of stupid crap | Dec 30 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | complaining about traffic, asking who you call to get game tickets... | Dec 30 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | apparently not realizing that abusing the 911 system is a crime | Dec 30 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | if it's not life and death, I usually just try to call the non-emergency dispatch number | Dec 30 14:11 |
| DaemonFC | someone could be dying and not getting through because I got in a fender bender | Dec 30 14:11 |
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| oiaohm | I still remember hearing the recording of my mother swearing at the 000 operater over a secuirty alarm jammed on next door and the local police being a wall. Basically if police are not here in the next 30 mins you are going to have a break and enter so I can shut the alarm up. | Dec 30 14:15 |
| schestowitz | Yes, it happened a lot | Dec 30 14:15 |
| oiaohm | 000 is our 911 | Dec 30 14:16 |
| schestowitz | Russian police http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/youtube_popularity_doesnt_protect_russian_cop_whis.php also of interest: http://www.opendemocracy.net/mohamed-altawil/journey-through-thorns-palestinians-story-0 | Dec 30 14:16 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: or 99 | Dec 30 14:16 |
| schestowitz | it's too easy for little kids to abuse | Dec 30 14:16 |
| oiaohm | 112 for mobiles. 000 for normal phones and 106 for the deaf. That is the australian layout | Dec 30 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Yes the 112 on mobiles is a pain in ass. | Dec 30 14:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cnn.com/2009/OPINION/12/29/schneier.air.travel.security.theater/index.html | Dec 30 14:18 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: there was this story a while back about a toddler saving his dad's (IIRC) life by phoning the police and not even speaking | Dec 30 14:19 |
| oiaohm | That happens here from time to time schestowitz | Dec 30 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | it is 999 in Canada | Dec 30 14:20 |
| oiaohm | All land line calls are auto trace to location. | Dec 30 14:20 |
| schestowitz | Oh, lookie here: | Dec 30 14:20 |
| schestowitz | Just days ago: | Dec 30 14:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.wftv.com/news/22037821/detail.html | Dec 30 14:20 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: 5-Year-Old Saves Dad's Life: "I Didn't Want Him To Die" - News Story - WFTV Orlando .::. Size~: 98.87 KB | Dec 30 14:20 |
| oiaohm | So as long as you dial 000 the police will come. | Dec 30 14:20 |
| schestowitz | 5-year-old Saves Mom's Life by Calling 911 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7BUNYntGEw | Dec 30 14:21 |
| oiaohm | This is handy when someone is holding somewhere up as long as you can dial phone and put it on mute help is on way. | Dec 30 14:21 |
| schestowitz | http://edge.neocha.com/film/film-water-brain/ | Dec 30 14:23 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: phone functions as alarm bell | Dec 30 14:24 |
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| oiaohm | I have fited auto dial 000 boxes before in places that get hold ups as well schestowitz | Dec 30 14:25 |
| schestowitz | http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/ngs/browse/productDetail.jsp?productId=1076014 | Dec 30 14:28 |
| schestowitz | http://travel.nytimes.com/2009/12/20/travel/20Pamir.html?pagewanted=1&sq=tajikistan&st=cse&scp=2 | Dec 30 14:32 |
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| schestowitz | "About a month ago, WebProNews interviewed Google's Matt Cutts, who suggested that page speed may soon become a ranking factor in the world's most popular search engine. " http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/12/14/things-to-consider-if-page-speed-is-to-become-a-ranking-factor?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+WebpronewsTopNewsRssFeed+%28Top+News+Items+-+WebProNews%29 | Dec 30 14:48 |
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| schestowitz | Discrimination against servers in countries with slow connections like SA and Brazil | Dec 30 14:48 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8421157.stm | Dec 30 14:49 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/30/android_event_january_5/ | Dec 30 14:51 |
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| wallc_ | I just finished reading the Groklaw post asking for help organizing all the Comes documents. I saw your comments, Roy. I just haven't had any time this last two weeks to keep up with things. | Dec 30 14:53 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/17793599 | Dec 30 14:54 |
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| wallc_ | How great would it be if all this documentation finally gets public attention? It's overdue. | Dec 30 14:54 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: some has | Dec 30 14:54 |
| schestowitz | Like EDGI | Dec 30 14:54 |
| schestowitz | It was in some papers after we wrote about it | Dec 30 14:54 |
| schestowitz | Intel stuff too | Dec 30 14:54 |
| wallc_ | yes, the EDGI stuff needs more exposure, for sure. | Dec 30 14:55 |
| schestowitz | It sort of did a while back | Dec 30 14:55 |
| wallc_ | when I was transcribing, I wondered what Intel would think of the Comes emails. | Dec 30 14:56 |
| schestowitz | Herland Tribune has something about "microsoft to keep Linux at bay" iirc | Dec 30 14:56 |
| schestowitz | *herald | Dec 30 14:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-19657600.html | Dec 30 14:57 |
| wallc_ | I know this all has been available publically for a long time, but it will only make a difference if ordinary people start to *get* it...because maybe they will stop supporting Microsoft products. | Dec 30 14:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1567046/apple-cloner-switches-linux | Dec 30 14:58 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: naa.. | Dec 30 14:58 |
| schestowitz | ordinary people will think Gate saves poor puppies | Dec 30 14:59 |
| wallc_ | When I talk to people about the ugly things MS does to other businesses, they think I'm making it all up, because they can't believe it wouldn't be on mainstream news if it were true...(sigh). | Dec 30 14:59 |
| schestowitz | He bribes the press to do that | Dec 30 14:59 |
| schestowitz | "Bribes" as in "invests" | Dec 30 14:59 |
| schestowitz | The mainstream media is corrupt in the sense that it writes to please advertisers | Dec 30 14:59 |
| schestowitz | It need to establish some notion of trust to attract Sugar Daddies. That's its business model. | Dec 30 14:59 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: PJ didn't know much about EDGI | Dec 30 15:00 |
| schestowitz | She said: > Thank you very much for pointing me to your stuff. I haven't had a | Dec 30 15:01 |
| schestowitz | > minute due to the holiday to look at the text, but I definitely will. | Dec 30 15:01 |
| schestowitz | > I'm absolutely stunned at what I am ready. Simply stunned. | Dec 30 15:01 |
| schestowitz | It's like she was living under a rock if she hadn't noticed | Dec 30 15:01 |
| schestowitz | BN even made the front page of /, a few times with EDGI | Dec 30 15:01 |
| wallc_ | Well, it seems to me that it is in MS's interest to keep promoting the idea that people are all too stupid to care. I'm here to tell ya, it ain't as true as tech-people think. Even when people express doubts to me, they begin to pay more attention. I am seeing changes in people's attitudes happening every day. | Dec 30 15:02 |
| schestowitz | In what sense? Which changes? | Dec 30 15:03 |
| schestowitz | Some people are outraged by what they know.. about governments, bankers, monopolists, etc. | Dec 30 15:03 |
| schestowitz | But they can't just 'pass' this rage to a person like a prezzie | Dec 30 15:04 |
| schestowitz | It takes a lot of patience and diligent explanation... then people move on to being hypnotised by something else | Dec 30 15:04 |
| wallc_ | I am about as ordinary as a person can be. I will admit I am not the brightest person you'll ever know, but even I can see and understand the basics. If I can, anybody can. | Dec 30 15:04 |
| schestowitz | Do you think BN should be more open with calls for criminal investigation of Microsoft? | Dec 30 15:05 |
| schestowitz | We've made complaints to FTC, but they only respond to volumes of them | Dec 30 15:05 |
| schestowitz | It's all in the pockets of lobbyists | Dec 30 15:05 |
| schestowitz | Mini-criminals like Jonathan Zuck | Dec 30 15:05 |
| schestowitz | Just see what happens there with ACTA (lastest blog post) | Dec 30 15:06 |
| schestowitz | It's all intertwined | Dec 30 15:06 |
| schestowitz | An inherently corrupt system | Dec 30 15:06 |
| wallc_ | Well, you raise some good points. And there is no question that systems are very corrupt. It's been on my mind a lot lately, as to what should come next...I have some ideas. | Dec 30 15:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.newsfactor.com/news/Chrome-OS-Will-Focus-on-Security/story.xhtml?story_id=131000AZG0V6 | Dec 30 15:08 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: NewsFactor Network | Auto-Updating Chrome OS Will Focus on Security .::. Size~: 83.92 KB | Dec 30 15:08 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: I think it's better to stick to new facts and not call for action | Dec 30 15:08 |
| schestowitz | People are smart enough to respond as they see fit without it seeming like anything beyond the facts | Dec 30 15:09 |
| schestowitz | So if they know Novell helps Microsoft, they'll avoid Novell. There's no need to daemonise Novell, the facts speak for themselves, they just need to be laid bare | Dec 30 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Emotion never helps too much; I think that it's just most important to expose those who are responsible, which in turn embarrasses them. See what Groklaw does to Alex Brown for example | Dec 30 15:10 |
| schestowitz | http://thejakartaglobe.com/business/microsofts-word-no-good-in-court/349934 | Dec 30 15:11 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft’s Word No Good in Court - The Jakarta Globe .::. Size~: 38.04 KB | Dec 30 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Turns out we have some readers from Red Hat; at least they -- Red Hat -- have taken legal action vs Microsoft | Dec 30 15:12 |
| schestowitz | !google red hat switzerland microsoft government | Dec 30 15:12 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Red Hat Sues Switzerland Over Microsoft Monopoly - News ... | http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/red-hat-sues-switzerland-over-microsoft-monopoly-965 | Dec 30 15:12 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Red Hat News | Red Hat Challenges Microsoft Lock-in and Seeks Open ... | http://press.redhat.com/2009/05/21/red-hat-challenges-microsoft-lock-in-and-seeks-open-competition-in-switzerland/ | Dec 30 15:12 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Slashdot | Red Hat Challenges Swiss Government Over Microsoft Monopoly | http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl%3Fsid%3D09/05/25/182200 | Dec 30 15:12 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Red Hat sues Swiss government over $39M Microsoft contract | ITworld | http://www.itworld.com/government/68382/red-hat-sues-swiss-government-over-39m-microsoft-contract | Dec 30 15:12 |
| schestowitz | This restricts what Microsoft can do, regardless of the outcome | Dec 30 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft understands that it will get its arse sued (and public whipping in the press) is it colludes with governments like this | Dec 30 15:13 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2009/12/ron-paul-suggests-agenda-expand-terror-war-attack-american-liberty/ | Dec 30 15:14 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Ron Paul suggests agenda to expand terror war, attack American liberty | Raw Story .::. Size~: 40.19 KB | Dec 30 15:14 |
| wallc_ | Since when does MS ever care if it gets sued? | Dec 30 15:16 |
| wallc_ | The idea of a potential law suit hasn't seemed to stop them from at least trying | Dec 30 15:18 |
| schestowitz | It's bad PR | Dec 30 15:18 |
| schestowitz | Though it does put their names in headlines, which it likes | Dec 30 15:18 |
| wallc_ | They'll just pay someone to "spin" it all into soething else | Dec 30 15:18 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft just carries on with the lawsuits if the claimant is poor | Dec 30 15:18 |
| schestowitz | Like the VIsta-capable lawsuit | Dec 30 15:19 |
| wallc_ | *something* | Dec 30 15:19 |
| schestowitz | It's not a legal system | Dec 30 15:19 |
| schestowitz | It's a system to test who can file more motions | Dec 30 15:19 |
| wallc_ | It's just a business expense. | Dec 30 15:19 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: yes, Enderle or something | Dec 30 15:19 |
| schestowitz | And for many years they'll rewrite history as a BTW in articles | Dec 30 15:19 |
| schestowitz | Like Netscape | Dec 30 15:19 |
| schestowitz | The whole "they killed himself" rewrite | Dec 30 15:19 |
| wallc_ | lol, enderle is such a... | Dec 30 15:20 |
| schestowitz | Puppet? | Dec 30 15:20 |
| schestowitz | "Hey!! I'm just trying to make a living here" | Dec 30 15:20 |
| schestowitz | There's also Zuck | Dec 30 15:20 |
| schestowitz | What utter scum those people are.. | Dec 30 15:20 |
| schestowitz | "I've got kids to feed!" | Dec 30 15:20 |
| schestowitz | I bet the "evangelists" (TEs) are meeting each other for consolation, perfuming what they do | Dec 30 15:21 |
| schestowitz | It makes it easier to live as enemies of societies | Dec 30 15:21 |
| schestowitz | A while back, when it comes to MSPs in India, some guy realised that he was "going to hell" (his words) | Dec 30 15:21 |
| schestowitz | He didn't know he was exploited by Microsoft to help hurt Indian people.... until zerocool and myself showed him | Dec 30 15:22 |
| schestowitz | It was very funny | Dec 30 15:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/propose-your-way-oscon | Dec 30 15:23 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Propose Your Way to OSCON | Linux Journal .::. Size~: 37.81 KB | Dec 30 15:23 |
| schestowitz | See "Fortune"... the paper that colludes with Big Business... http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/steve_jobs/2009/index.html | Dec 30 15:23 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Steve Jobs: CEO of the Decade - FORTUNE on CNNMoney.com .::. Size~: 41.73 KB | Dec 30 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Funny how it's always rich people who win awards from the papers that they help fund | Dec 30 15:24 |
| schestowitz | It's like royal society endowing and distributing medals among its own members :-) | Dec 30 15:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] RT @jobsworth You *must* read Bruce Schneier on security and terrorism. Make sure others read it as well! http://bit.ly/5QUTrE | Dec 30 15:25 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Is aviation security mostly for show? - CNN.com .::. Size~: 54.25 KB | Dec 30 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Those simple facts of life that are so easy to decipher, yet few people dare talk about. Like patents and "innovation" | Dec 30 15:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @popey RT @jobsworth You *must* read Bruce Schneier on security and terrorism. Make sure others read it as well! http://bit.ly/5QUTrE | Dec 30 15:27 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Is aviation security mostly for show? - CNN.com .::. Size~: 54.25 KB | Dec 30 15:27 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'd say we should have a dissolution election | Dec 30 15:27 |
| wallc_ | Well, rich people have to pat each other on the back, it's part of their reward for being rich... | Dec 30 15:27 |
| DaemonFC | put every congressman and senator out for an immediate up or down vote | Dec 30 15:27 |
| DaemonFC | at the same time | Dec 30 15:27 |
| DaemonFC | that would be unconstitutional though | Dec 30 15:27 |
| wallc_ | time for me to get to work...bye for now :) | Dec 30 15:29 |
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| DaemonFC | and we'd have to somehow un-gerrymander all the Congressional districts | Dec 30 15:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Yr Wisdom - "it's better to be pissed off, than pissed on......unless you like that sort of thing" lol | Dec 30 15:35 | |
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| *kecskebak spent the day putting Fedora on his wife's computer | Dec 30 15:41 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Staggered at the number of clueless people highly rating the 'droidsecurity antivirus' on android phone marketplace. #fb | Dec 30 15:45 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.netbookchoice.com/2009/12/28/twenty-companies-to-release-smartbooks-from-q1-2010/ | Dec 30 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | That's a lot of LInux! | Dec 30 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | til Microsoft figures out a way to pay them to put Windows 7 Starter on them | Dec 30 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | those Office 60 day trials are the biggest kickback ever | Dec 30 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | they pay the OEM $50 to load it on there even if you never buy it | Dec 30 15:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.osnews.com/story/22668/Psystar_Switches_to_Linux_Temporarily_Halts_Sales_of_Rebel_EFI | Dec 30 15:59 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: no, it's ARM | Dec 30 16:00 |
| schestowitz | WIndows programs don't run on arm | Dec 30 16:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.notebooks.com/2009/12/30/recover-your-lost-laptop-with-help-of-free-software/ | Dec 30 16:03 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Recover Your Lost Laptop with the Help of Free Software | Notebooks.com .::. Size~: 40.87 KB | Dec 30 16:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techworld.com.au/article/331006/former_seagate_engineer_says_company_destroyed_evidence?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1 | Dec 30 16:16 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Former Seagate engineer says company destroyed evidence - hard drives, seagate - Techworld .::. Size~: 49.6 KB | Dec 30 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, try getting people off of x86 | Dec 30 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | good news, Microsoft can't follow them | Dec 30 16:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/185604/apple_censors_dalai_lama_iphone_apps_in_china.html?tk=rss_news | Dec 30 16:17 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Apple Censors Dalai Lama IPhone Apps in China - PC World .::. Size~: 71.96 KB | Dec 30 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | bad news, telling them that Windows won't run and that support for a lot of stuff they do on x86 Linux may not exist is a turn off | Dec 30 16:18 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: do you know about battery life? | Dec 30 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | Do I care? | Dec 30 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 30 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | there's bigger guzzlers than the CPU | Dec 30 16:18 |
| schestowitz | You would if you had this type of gadget | Dec 30 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | they're not addressing any of that it seems | Dec 30 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Screens that are energy efficient are Linux too | Dec 30 16:19 |
| schestowitz | e-ink | Dec 30 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Kindle... | Dec 30 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | when Fusion comes out, it'll kick the ass of anything ARM-based with decent video acceleration I'm sure | Dec 30 16:19 |
| schestowitz | And other e-books running Linux | Dec 30 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Pixel-Qi or whatever it's called | Dec 30 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Google has Tagra | Dec 30 16:19 |
| schestowitz | *Tegra | Dec 30 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | if you want to talk only of battery life, schestowitz, they could give you a 386 that uses 1 Watt I'm sure | Dec 30 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | you have to look at how much performance and compatibility you're giving up to get that though | Dec 30 16:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/185608/china_starts_restoring_internet_in_divided_muslim_region.html?tk=rss_news | Dec 30 16:20 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Firefox is very compatible | Dec 30 16:21 |
| schestowitz | Web compatible | Dec 30 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | if it means I can't use Wine, Flash, and Skype, I'm surely not buying somethign ARM-based | Dec 30 16:21 |
| schestowitz | People don't buy netbooks for Crysis | Dec 30 16:21 |
| schestowitz | Skype can build for ARM | Dec 30 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | this PC eats Crysis for breakfast | Dec 30 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 30 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | I figure it probably uses 250 watts peak | Dec 30 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of these outfits dramatically oversell you on power supplies | Dec 30 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | "Hey look, I got a 1,000 Watt PSU, I don't know that my gaming PC is using 350!" | Dec 30 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | there's your environmentally unfriendly PC user | Dec 30 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | companies that make power supplies are really reminding my of Intel and the Mhz/Ghz myth | Dec 30 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | just buy whatever CPU has big numbers on the box | Dec 30 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | *me | Dec 30 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'd say it's solely due to AMD that we have 64-bit x86 CPUs that are dozens of times faster while still running cooler and using at least 25-30% less energy | Dec 30 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | Intel didn't seem interested in doing anything to make x86 perform well or use less energy | Dec 30 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | the Pentium 4 was the single worst CPU I can name, of the last 20 years | Dec 30 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | ARM may still give better performance per watt, but the gap has narrowed by an order of magnitude over the last 8 years | Dec 30 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | The way I see it, AMD Fusion is probably when I'll start recommending netbooks to people | Dec 30 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | right now, there just is no right decision | Dec 30 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | you go ARM, you're in this completely alien environment that doesn't run a lot of things you use, and if you stay with x86, it'll suck your battery dry quicker | Dec 30 16:32 |
| cubezzz | just cross-compile | Dec 30 16:32 |
| cubezzz | that's what I do | Dec 30 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | I could just see this situation where an ARM netbook becomes godawful (in the eyes of average users) and word of mouth kills it | Dec 30 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | if Adobe distributed Flash for the ARM architecture the way they do for x86, I think you'd solve a lot of mistrust I have for migrating off x86 | Dec 30 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | not all, but most | Dec 30 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | but the way they do it now is mass licensing for preinstallation on a per-device basis | Dec 30 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | how do you know the manufacturer won't strand you with Flash 9 or 10 or what have you forever | Dec 30 16:35 |
| cubezzz | I would just not use flash then | Dec 30 16:36 |
| DaemonFC | maybe a Flash 11 or 12 comes out and their only answer is to buy a new netbook | Dec 30 16:36 |
| DaemonFC | "We already made our money on you, so piss off!" | Dec 30 16:36 |
| DaemonFC | seen plenty of companies do it | Dec 30 16:36 |
| DaemonFC | Gateway refused to answer a simple question about my PC cause it was a refurb and over 90 days old | Dec 30 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | they gave me a link where I could buy an extended warranty for another year for almost $30 before they would even talk to me | Dec 30 16:38 |
| cubezzz | what was your question? | Dec 30 16:39 |
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| DaemonFC | what the model number of one of the add-in cards was and where I could find a driver for it | Dec 30 16:39 |
| cubezzz | sounds like a reasonable question | Dec 30 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | imagine if I was dealing with a company like them and depended on them to allow me to upgrade the version of Flash Player that I had | Dec 30 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | could you see the potential for that to turn into a raw deal? | Dec 30 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | Customer: "Where can I get the new version of Flash? Youtube won't work without it" | Dec 30 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | Rep: "I'm sorry, your 90 day warranty is up, please pay us $30 to renew it and we'll answer your question" | Dec 30 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | Customer: *slides Visa card* | Dec 30 16:42 |
| cubezzz | that's not true though | Dec 30 16:42 |
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| DaemonFC | Rep: "I'm sorry, we are not licensing Flash version X for your platform, sorry." | Dec 30 16:42 |
| cubezzz | there is a python script to download flv files which are playable in mplayer | Dec 30 16:42 |
| cubezzz | _and_ guess what? There is mplayer for ARM | Dec 30 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, if you want to jury rig | Dec 30 16:43 |
| cubezzz | so youtube is not an excuse | Dec 30 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | and there's some sites which are almost entirely flash | Dec 30 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | can't do anything on them without it | Dec 30 16:43 |
| cubezzz | gnash? :) | Dec 30 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | thats iffy | Dec 30 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | I agree that there needs to be a FOSS-ified version of Flash, but those projects have not been forthcoming with their results | Dec 30 16:44 |
| cubezzz | it wouldn't be difficult for adobe to port to ARM | Dec 30 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | they have | Dec 30 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | they just won't give it to YOU directly | Dec 30 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | it highlights abuse by a closed source software house, I agree | Dec 30 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | but the fact remains that more and more stuff depends on Flash | Dec 30 16:45 |
| cubezzz | I could sign up to some dev program... | Dec 30 16:45 |
| cubezzz | that's what I did with HP | Dec 30 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | If you, the owner, cannot upgrade the software on your computer that you depend on, you're not in control of it | Dec 30 16:46 |
| cubezzz | I wanted programming docs and I got them... eventually | Dec 30 16:46 |
| cubezzz | it's like what I do for FC1, almost no one else does it | Dec 30 16:48 |
| cubezzz | I want something on FC1 I compile for FC1 | Dec 30 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | I think RMS's schedule looks something like...... | Dec 30 16:48 |
| cubezzz | I am the support person | Dec 30 16:48 |
| cubezzz | I can rely on any help | Dec 30 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | 99% of waking hours.....write essays bitching about Microsoft | Dec 30 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | 1% of waking hours, improve something FOSS | Dec 30 16:49 |
| cubezzz | I can't rather | Dec 30 16:49 |
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| cubezzz | well, ok, personally I do not spent much time bitching about Microsoft | Dec 30 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | If one line of GNASH code got written for every line of essay he types up bitching about this or that, it would be done by now | Dec 30 16:50 |
| cubezzz | it's not productive | Dec 30 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | I'd say, anyone that's stupid enough to distribute Mono deserves to get sued over it if it does actually infringe patents | Dec 30 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu just doesn't give a shit because they're holed up in a British tax shelter that probably keeps them safe from paying out damages in a lawsuit | Dec 30 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora got rid of it, I think | Dec 30 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | Novell is covered through their contract | Dec 30 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | most distributions are probably safe because they're too small to be worth suing | Dec 30 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | Debian is the only one that I think is in considerable danger right now | Dec 30 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | being incorporated in the United States, Microsoft gets to sue them and have the home field advantage | Dec 30 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | maybe even bankrupt one of the most important distributions | Dec 30 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | plus if they take it out, then the distributions based on it suffer | Dec 30 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | I could see them suing Debian over Mono before anyone else | Dec 30 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | look at all the collateral damage they could cause if they won | Dec 30 16:58 |
| schestowitz | I'm gonna have to reply to this bait.... http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/42129 | Dec 30 16:59 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Should Pulseaudio Die? What do you think? | tuxmachines.org .::. Size~: 35.4 KB | Dec 30 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | it would probably take Linux as a whole years to recover if Microsoft sued Debian so bad that they had to shut down | Dec 30 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | it is pretty much the only real community-ran Linux OS out there | Dec 30 16:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Watching Mary Poppins. Sam (3) says "he's like Daddy". Bury (Dick Van-Dyke)? No. Sam gets up and points to Uncle Albert (Ed Wynn) #fb | Dec 30 17:00 | |
| DaemonFC | everything notable that survived would be ran by Red Hat, Novell, or Canonical | Dec 30 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: It's like when you're planning a military strike. You commit your resources where they will do the most damage and where you can probably succeed. | Dec 30 17:01 |
| schestowitz | I wrote: "Pay attention to what PulseAudio's dev has said many times. Ubuntu in particular, he argues, does a HUGE disservice to the reputation of PulseAudio." | Dec 30 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Distros' fault http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/42129#comment-12635 | Dec 30 17:02 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Should Pulseaudio Die? What do you think? | tuxmachines.org .::. Size~: 36.13 KB | Dec 30 17:02 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you talk rubbish | Dec 30 17:02 |
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| DaemonFC | I think the reason we haven't seen Mono lawsuits yet could either be because Microsoft is not sure they could win and don't want to publicly humiliate themselves, or because the know they probably could win but letting Mono go on establishes C# as a standard and leaves the question of Mono's legitimacy hanging over Linux | Dec 30 17:03 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: We need to call the rubbish police to gigve you an oral enema :-) | Dec 30 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | in the mean time they can kick their feet up and keep taking their Novell fiefdom for all it's worth | Dec 30 17:04 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: bit of both | Dec 30 17:04 |
| schestowitz | It gives them legal power and power over developers | Dec 30 17:04 |
| schestowitz | Win-win | Dec 30 17:04 |
| schestowitz | Living under the shadow of a criminal organisation | Dec 30 17:04 |
| cubezzz | no, because if Debian disappeared something else would just pop up | Dec 30 17:04 |
| schestowitz | Canincal will hopefully wake up soon and not just congratulate Novell's Tomboy dev | Dec 30 17:04 |
| schestowitz | Debian cannot really be used | Dec 30 17:04 |
| schestowitz | *sued | Dec 30 17:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] http://bit.ly/8qN5Qj Ed Wynn. Loving copy and paste on my android phone to make that link by the way. Just sayin | Dec 30 17:05 | |
| schestowitz | It's not a company | Dec 30 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | But users of it can be intimidated | Dec 30 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know what the laws are concerning a non-profit being sued | Dec 30 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | probably more protections for them than a for profit company | Dec 30 17:05 |
| schestowitz | It would maybe launch more actions against the criminal organisation | Dec 30 17:05 |
| schestowitz | They already walk on a rope | Dec 30 17:05 |
| schestowitz | Realising that customers boycott them for these attacks from 2007 | Dec 30 17:06 |
| schestowitz | E.g. Bluehost | Dec 30 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | so it's like they don't want to push the button because they don't want it to backfire on them | Dec 30 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 30 17:06 |
| schestowitz | That too | Dec 30 17:06 |
| schestowitz | It would harm profit, not help them | Dec 30 17:06 |
| schestowitz | It would also be another violation of RICO Act | Dec 30 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | so it's a standoff, and we should jsut get rid of Mono in case they get ballsy? | Dec 30 17:07 |
| schestowitz | I doubt Gates and Ballmer want to increase their chances of ending up in prison | Dec 30 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Not that it would be the harsh prison like a cellar | Dec 30 17:07 |
| schestowitz | They already pushing the limits | Dec 30 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | nah, they'd send him to where Bernard Madoff is going | Dec 30 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | Club Fed | Dec 30 17:07 |
| schestowitz | They try to sort of legaise their acts now, with lobbyists | Dec 30 17:07 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I know | Dec 30 17:07 |
| schestowitz | At least to be kept away from society where they destory things | Dec 30 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | nah | Dec 30 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | Ballmer could still be the CEO | Dec 30 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | they'd even give him a computer and everything he needed to run Microsoft from his "prison cell" | Dec 30 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | if Microsoft got rid of him for going to prison, it would be to get out from under some massively bad PR | Dec 30 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure the board would vote unanimously to fire him though | Dec 30 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | quickly | Dec 30 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | as soon as his trial was over | Dec 30 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't look good for the company image to have a CONVICTED criminal for a CEO | Dec 30 17:11 |
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| DaemonFC | criminals that just haven't been charged with anything are at the top of almost every Fortune 500 company though | Dec 30 17:12 |
| kecskebak | Bernie Ecclestone, the Formula 1 boss said "First you get rich, then you get honest, then you get respectable" | Dec 30 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | Ballmer would say, "First you get rich, then you become more of a scumbag, then you get richer" | Dec 30 17:13 |
| schestowitz | SOme people /still/ have audio issues? http://pdavila.homelinux.org:8080/blog/?p=369 | Dec 30 17:13 |
| schestowitz | [17:11] <DaemonFC> doesn't look good for the company image to have a CONVICTED criminal for a CEO | Dec 30 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Pulseaudio has improved, but yes it can still fuck things up sometimes | Dec 30 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Some countries have CONVICTED criminal as PM | Dec 30 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't had any problems with it for some time now | Dec 30 17:14 |
| kecskebak | Ubuntu Audio is fine on newer machines, but it's starting to get a bit flaky on older ones. Audio worked perfectly in Karmic on my wife's computer, but was very poor in Lucid, so I spent the day putting Fedora on it. | Dec 30 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Israel for example... and Bush was president and war criminal | Dec 30 17:14 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Dec 30 17:14 |
| phIRCe-local | schestowitz: Pulseaudio has improved, but yes it can still fuck things up sometimes | Dec 30 17:14 |
| phIRCe-local | Some countries have CONVICTED criminal as PM | Dec 30 17:14 |
| phIRCe-local | I haven't had any problems with it for some time now | Dec 30 17:14 |
| phIRCe-local | Ubuntu Audio is fine on newer machines, but it's starting to get a bit flaky on older ones. Audio worked perfectly in Karmic on my wife's computer, but was very poor in Lucid, so I spent the day putting Fedora on it. | Dec 30 17:14 |
| phIRCe-local | Israel for example... and Bush was president and war criminal | Dec 30 17:14 |
| schestowitz | And the US still asks war criminal Kissinger for advice | Dec 30 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Weird bug | Dec 30 17:14 |
| trmanco | loool | Dec 30 17:14 |
| trmanco | :/ | Dec 30 17:14 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: how can this happen? So many lines | Dec 30 17:14 |
| trmanco | I'm afraid I don't know | Dec 30 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Yeah, but there are assholes (like one from America's Hat) who think I am Henry Kissenger | Dec 30 17:15 |
| cubezzz | lag I think | Dec 30 17:15 |
| kecskebak | Sorry - that should be worked fine on Jaunty but doesn't work in Karmic | Dec 30 17:15 |
| trmanco | http://pdavila.homelinux.org:8080/blog/?p=369 | Dec 30 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | or that the government does what it does with my personal seal of approval | Dec 30 17:15 |
| trmanco | pu | Dec 30 17:15 |
| trmanco | f | Dec 30 17:15 |
| trmanco | a | Dec 30 17:15 |
| kecskebak | I wouldn't put Lucid on my wife's computer! | Dec 30 17:15 |
| trmanco | it's still alpha | Dec 30 17:16 |
| kecskebak | Indeed! | Dec 30 17:16 |
| schestowitz | heh. | Dec 30 17:16 |
| kecskebak | Yes, Jaunty was a pretty good release. Karmic is a bit flakier, but it isn't a LTS so you'd expect that. | Dec 30 17:16 |
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| trmanco | karmic for me is not as flaky as jaunty | Dec 30 17:17 |
| schestowitz | test text | Dec 30 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Remember that Futurama episode where Nixon declares war on that planet of bouncing balls which has absolutely no strategic or tactical value, and brings Henry Kissenger's head-in-a-jar for advice? | Dec 30 17:17 |
| trmanco | it is a weird bug | Dec 30 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | Best Episode Ever | Dec 30 17:17 |
| kecskebak | I had more problems with Karmic - the popping audio issue and so on. | Dec 30 17:17 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: hehe. | Dec 30 17:17 |
| schestowitz | HEad of jar | Dec 30 17:17 |
| kecskebak | Also, until a recent patch, Karmic used to boot slower than Jaunty | Dec 30 17:17 |
| schestowitz | I can't stand listening to that monster | Dec 30 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they can exile it | Dec 30 17:17 |
| trmanco | mine always did boot faster than jaunty | Dec 30 17:18 |
| kecskebak | Karmic is MUCH more stable now than it was when it was released. | Dec 30 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Obvious reference to Vietnam | Dec 30 17:18 |
| trmanco | that is true | Dec 30 17:18 |
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| schestowitz | Not that Nixon was any good, either | Dec 30 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | hi | Dec 30 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | no tactical value, send everyone to die there anyway | Dec 30 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Dec 30 17:18 |
| schestowitz | http://bit.ly/5QUTrE | Dec 30 17:18 |
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| kecskebak | Fedora is on my wife's computer and it runs just fine with the same apps that wouldn't run nicely in Karmic | Dec 30 17:18 |
| schestowitz | "We'd do much better by leveraging the inherent strengths of our modern democracies and the natural advantages we have over the terrorists: our adaptability and survivability, our international network of laws and law enforcement, and the freedoms and liberties that make our society so enviable." | Dec 30 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | no-win situation, South Vietnam was overran almost as soon as we left anyway | Dec 30 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | lose tens of thousands of lives and untold billions of dollars, and gain nothing either way | Dec 30 17:19 |
| schestowitz | hundreds of billions | Dec 30 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Small money... for bailout | Dec 30 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, it was half-assed anyway | Dec 30 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | the way the war was fought it's almost like we wanted to lose | Dec 30 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | Obama started saying stuff that the bad guys didn't like, so the banks and arms dealers bribed him to see things their way | Dec 30 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | financed his whole campaign | Dec 30 17:22 |
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| DaemonFC | I wonder how many bribes it took to get him to "fulfill his campaign pledges" by handing out symbolic wrist slappings | Dec 30 17:23 |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm, Newegg is going public | Dec 30 17:28 |
| kecskebak | sebsebseb: Hi! | Dec 30 17:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | kecskebak: heh, I wish both fedora and ubuntu would use bfs | Dec 30 17:29 |
| *kecskebak is googling bfs | Dec 30 17:29 | |
| Diablo-D3 | its a kernel scheduler patch | Dec 30 17:29 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: | Dec 30 17:30 |
| schestowitz | 142.166.3.122 - - [30/Dec/2009:09:21:54 -0800] "GET /2009/12/27/gates-smoke-education-monopoly/ HTTP/1.1" 200 127100 "-" "radian6_linkcheck_(www.radian6.com/crawler)" | Dec 30 17:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | bfs + X using iso sched == perfect desktop no matter how shitty your hardware is | Dec 30 17:30 |
| kecskebak | What is the advantage of BFS? | Dec 30 17:30 |
| kecskebak | Ah, I see | Dec 30 17:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | BFS is a scheduler designed for basically all useful things | Dec 30 17:30 |
| kecskebak | Charming acronym :) | Dec 30 17:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | it originally was just for the desktop, but Crygogen started using it for their Android build, and all the sudden cell phones stopped sucking | Dec 30 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | http://ck.kolivas.org/patches/bfs/bfs-faq.txt | Dec 30 17:31 |
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| Diablo-D3 | and people use it on servers, and it, by itself, vastly increases how many requests they can handle per second | Dec 30 17:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | kecskebak: CFS, which is what the kernel has now, its utter crap | Dec 30 17:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a gigantic blob of code no one understands and it can't be fixed | Dec 30 17:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | I run it on my powerbook, for example, and its like running a brand new high end laptop | Dec 30 17:32 |
| kecskebak | Do Linux have any plans to replace CFS? | Dec 30 17:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | Linus wont merge BFS in because, essentially, it wasn't written by his inner circle of douches | Dec 30 17:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | Linus is somewhat afraid of code that isn't either written by him or his douche gang, or by some big company | Dec 30 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | CFS is still pretty horrible | Dec 30 17:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | Sadly, this means I have to waste my time building my own kernels, but its worth it | Dec 30 17:33 |
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| DaemonFC | in a lot of cases, it actually created more latency than AS | Dec 30 17:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | kecskebak: I tested the newest version of BFS on my machine the other day as part of regular testing... | Dec 30 17:34 |
| sebsebseb | kecskebak: hi | Dec 30 17:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | with X set to iso sched, I needed a load of over 1000 to make X become unsuable | Dec 30 17:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | on CFS, X is unusable if your load exceeds the number of cores you have (which for me is 2) | Dec 30 17:34 |
| kecskebak | So if a big company took up BFS, then Linus would consider it. That's a real shame. | Dec 30 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | personally, my PC was running smoother before cfs replaced as (at the time I had an Athlon64 3200+) | Dec 30 17:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | Linus is a fucking moron now, Im not sure what happened | Dec 30 17:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | Him and Mingo shouldn't be allowed to touch the kernel anymore | Dec 30 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know, but I always build my kernels to use as | Dec 30 17:35 |
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| DaemonFC | seems to run better than cfs no matter what kind of CPU I have | Dec 30 17:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ubuntu is considering BFS, but they keep putting it off for a future version | Dec 30 17:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | Fedora probably wont unless Ubuntu does, and Debian probably wont unless Ubuntu does | Dec 30 17:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | built it yourself distros like Gentoo have options to build kernels with BFS | Dec 30 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | I can tell CFS was made to placate people who use expensive 8 core server CPUs or something | Dec 30 17:36 |
| kecskebak | It's interesting how influential Ubuntu is in that case | Dec 30 17:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | and some smaller distros ship BFS by default | Dec 30 17:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | kecskebak: well | Dec 30 17:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | Debian as a whole is the most used distro ever | Dec 30 17:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | and Ubuntu is the most used Debianite. | Dec 30 17:36 |
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| DaemonFC | yeah, Ubuntu had a lot of promist | Dec 30 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | *promise | Dec 30 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | they threw almost all of it away though, I think | Dec 30 17:37 |
| *Diablo-D3 considers Ubuntu merely a parallel branch of Debian under new management, and Debian and Ubuntu send stuff to each other all the time | Dec 30 17:37 | |
| DaemonFC | bad design decisions, replacing things that already work with stuff that makes more problems | Dec 30 17:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ubuntu really isn't a distro of it's own | Dec 30 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | when is Squeeze looking like it'll be out? | Dec 30 17:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | But yeah, Ubuntu has entirely too much pull | Dec 30 17:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | I don't particularly like that | Dec 30 17:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ubuntu is too politicalized | Dec 30 17:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | kecskebak: oh, and as I said, Cyanogen uses BFS | Dec 30 17:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | it makes Android stop sucking on cell phone hardware | Dec 30 17:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | you can multitask without the phone shitting itself anymore | Dec 30 17:39 |
| schestowitz | Mobile Broadband on Linux, Revisited < http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10014701o-2000498448b,00.htm > | Dec 30 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | Sgfaults... | Dec 30 17:40 |
| schestowitz | *egf | Dec 30 17:40 |
| kecskebak | It's great to hear about stuff like BFS here that I wouldn't hear about anywhere else | Dec 30 17:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | kecskebak: the interesting part is BFS is written by Con Kovalis | Dec 30 17:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes the guy who wrote a scheduler that causes Mingo to basically clone it without understanding how it worked | Dec 30 17:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | which is how we got CFS | Dec 30 17:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | lolpolitics. | Dec 30 17:42 |
| kecskebak | Unfortunately I have to go and wash the dishes now and then get the kids off to bed. Be back tomorrow. ttfn | Dec 30 17:42 |
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| DaemonFC | "newarches, broken arches and fucked arches" | Dec 30 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | lulz | Dec 30 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/kFreeBSD | Dec 30 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | Yay! Tux stickers on Webcam: http://sellingfreesoftwareforaliving.blogspot.com/2009/12/yold-is-dead-long-live-yold.html | Dec 30 17:44 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Selling Free Software for a Living: The YoLD is Dead; Long Live the YoLD! .::. Size~: 85.65 KB | Dec 30 17:44 |
| schestowitz | No red devils (BSD) yet | Dec 30 17:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | wow | Dec 30 17:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | a webcam that supports linux out of the box | Dec 30 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | that's most of them | Dec 30 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | someone probably just looked up and saw that theirs worked already and started slapping penguin stickers on them | Dec 30 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva CEO is out .... | Dec 30 17:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/opinion/mandriva-2010-thoughts/ | Dec 30 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | It's the endorsement on the Webcam that matters | Dec 30 17:47 |
| schestowitz | It's like a free ad | Dec 30 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Reminding buyer that there's this penguins thingie except Macs and "PCs" | Dec 30 17:47 |
| *Diablo-D3 repeats that url | Dec 30 17:49 | |
| DaemonFC | last time I tried compiling Sauerbraten on Mandriva, it ended up totally fucked over | Dec 30 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | I have no idea what went wrong | Dec 30 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | like, it would load, but all the character models were replaced by big white boxes with red X's in them | Dec 30 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | you could kill the big red Xs, but they could also shoot at you | Dec 30 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | it was bizarre | Dec 30 17:50 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Webcam manufacturer supports !Linux out of the box, fuck yeah http://ur1.ca/irai | Dec 30 17:54 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Ik vond het een kut artikel, maar daar ben jij toch niet verantwoordelijk voor? Niks van aantrekken s.v.p. was niet persoonlijk bedoeld. | Dec 30 18:04 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: *LOL* | Dec 30 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmmm.... why does Todd Weiss write about this topic of unthical marketing? http://www.cio.com.au/article/330948/social_media_marketing_5_must-read_books | Dec 30 18:13 |
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| DaemonFC | wonder what the PowerPack has this year | Dec 30 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | seems to be getting pretty useless | Dec 30 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | lots of trialware and an incomplete Fluendo Codec Pack last year | Dec 30 18:20 |
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| DaemonFC | you could used to come with the full codec pack, a full license for Cedega, and lots of other stuff | Dec 30 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | errr | Dec 30 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | it used to | Dec 30 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | started one sentence and finished it with another :P | Dec 30 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Hmmm.... that's unusually racist from The Onion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KCj_Klp8aY&feature=related | Dec 30 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe, this one's OK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlRK-DtcqC0&feature=PlayList&p=BwEUZO6cm0Y | Dec 30 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | I'm trying to salvage a router I thought was bricked | Dec 30 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Hehe, another good one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww9HGphAYNI&feature=PlayList&p=BwEUZO6cm0Y&index=6 | Dec 30 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, either it's sending out my old ssid and the default one | Dec 30 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | or Windows really is this slow to figure out that that router it saw is not there anymore | Dec 30 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Cruel one... why would she want to humiliated herself like this for comedy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxIr_otUmo4&feature=PlayList&p=BwEUZO6cm0Y&index=9 | Dec 30 18:51 |
| schestowitz | This is priceless. Have you watched any? Bush: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aEURwsrUSQ&feature=PlayList&p=BwEUZO6cm0Y&index=10 | Dec 30 18:55 |
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| DaemonFC | that's weird | Dec 30 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | I had to turn off the DHCP server on the router to get online | Dec 30 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | the Comcast modem is a DHCP Nazi now apparently | Dec 30 19:04 |
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| tessier | DaemonFC: South Vietnam was not overrun almost as soon as we left. It took two years. | Dec 30 19:08 |
| tessier | Last US combat troops left in 1973. SaiGon fell in 1975. | Dec 30 19:08 |
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| Diablo-D3 | you know why I love this channel? | Dec 30 19:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | people come up with good urls | Dec 30 19:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | I put them on my identica feed | Dec 30 19:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | then everyone retweets me | Dec 30 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTBTeRckuXc&feature=PlayList&p=44B65F3298A1B870&index=7 | Dec 30 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | first game I'm getting for the Virtual Console | Dec 30 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | my dad got some lulz from me exploiting bugs in the game :P | Dec 30 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: links in the site are better. From 5 minutes ago: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/30/google-phone-next-week/ | Dec 30 19:42 |
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| DaemonFC_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iYBmAVuBns | Dec 30 19:43 |
| DaemonFC_ | :D | Dec 30 19:43 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I remember that. He looks like Corbet with muscles | Dec 30 19:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: no one retweets me when I link to bc | Dec 30 19:44 |
| _goblin | Looking at distrowatch today it seems most of the distro's are Ubuntu based. Is that any good for the Linux world? | Dec 30 19:44 |
| _goblin | sorry.... | Dec 30 19:45 |
| _goblin | supposed to tweet that. | Dec 30 19:45 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC_: wow! I gotta get one | Dec 30 19:45 |
| DaemonFC_ | the little white thing you stand on | Dec 30 19:45 |
| DaemonFC_ | nice :) | Dec 30 19:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: no | Dec 30 19:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | most distros are debian based | Dec 30 19:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | ubuntu is a parallel debian fork. | Dec 30 19:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ie, it never broke free and is still debian | Dec 30 19:46 |
| DaemonFC_ | Ubuntu essentially reforks Debian every 6 months | Dec 30 19:46 |
| DaemonFC_ | it's not a permanent fork | Dec 30 19:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC_: fuck you | Dec 30 19:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | dont fucking ignore evade you fucking retard | Dec 30 19:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | get the fuck out | Dec 30 19:46 |
| Aondo | happy new year :P | Dec 30 19:46 |
| _goblin | yep....agreed....but a different theme slaped on an Ubuntu distro all the same.... | Dec 30 19:46 |
| _goblin | like UbuntuSE | Dec 30 19:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Looking at distrowatch today it seems most of the distro's are Ubuntu based. Is that good for the Linux world? | Dec 30 19:47 | |
| Diablo-D3 | but yeah, ubuntu and debian do sync with each other constantly | Dec 30 19:47 |
| _goblin | or Mint.... | Dec 30 19:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | ubuntu simply doesnt count as a seperate distro | Dec 30 19:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | neither does mint | Dec 30 19:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | mint just makes the default gnome shit more windowsy | Dec 30 19:47 |
| DaemonFC_ | There's already quite enough "distros" that are just Ubuntu with different wallpaper | Dec 30 19:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC_: except | Dec 30 19:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | ubuntu | Dec 30 19:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | is just debian with a different wallpaper | Dec 30 19:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | debian is, and always will be, the king of distros | Dec 30 19:48 |
| _goblin | yeah thats the point....if there is nothing fundamentally different then it just (IMO) confuses the issue for a newcommer | Dec 30 19:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | not slackware, not redhate | Dec 30 19:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | debian | Dec 30 19:48 |
| DaemonFC_ | there's some significant differences | Dec 30 19:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC_: well, yes | Dec 30 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Aondo: same to you | Dec 30 19:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | the motherfuckers somehow managed to put mono on the motherfucking Cd | Dec 30 19:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | because they're fucking faggots | Dec 30 19:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | and you know how much I hate fucking faggots | Dec 30 19:48 |
| _goblin | Diablo - Nah! "Once you try slack you never go back" ;) | Dec 30 19:48 |
| DaemonFC_ | Debian has Mono | Dec 30 19:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes | Dec 30 19:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | but _my_ debian doesnt | Dec 30 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: stop the obscenities | Dec 30 19:48 |
| _goblin | niether does mine. | Dec 30 19:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | my debian doesnt have a gnome at all | Dec 30 19:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: watch out, the gnome metapackage in sid now pulls in mono | Dec 30 19:49 |
| DaemonFC_ | Diablo-D3: So what's the difference between apt-get purge-ing Mono on Debian vs Ubuntu? | Dec 30 19:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC_: see above | Dec 30 19:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | they both now nuke the gnome metapackage | Dec 30 19:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | so fuck them, Im using xfce | Dec 30 19:49 |
| DaemonFC_ | well, if you want to play the "I can has KDE" card, there's Kubuntu | Dec 30 19:49 |
| _goblin | my DE of choice Xfce | Dec 30 19:49 |
| _goblin | I allow Gnome on my 2nd rig.... | Dec 30 19:50 |
| DaemonFC_ | hell, for that matter, OpenSuse with KDE doesn't have Mono, and KDE is the default | Dec 30 19:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC_: yeah, but debian in general has shit on kde | Dec 30 19:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres never been a really _good_ kde distro | Dec 30 19:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | then again, kde is pure shit | Dec 30 19:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | it may someday stop being pure shit, I do have hopes | Dec 30 19:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | kde4 is very slowly pulling itself out of the shit pile | Dec 30 19:51 |
| DaemonFC_ | all of them have problems | Dec 30 19:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | very very slowly | Dec 30 19:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | xfce has zero problems | Dec 30 19:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | ZERO. PROBLEMS. | Dec 30 19:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | ZZZERRROOOO. | Dec 30 19:51 |
| DaemonFC_ | heh, XFCE is one giant problem | Dec 30 19:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | so is your face | Dec 30 19:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | and now Im putting you back on ignore for trolling | Dec 30 19:51 |
| DaemonFC_ | takes up more RAM than the others, and most distros use GNOME components in it anyway | Dec 30 19:51 |
| DaemonFC_ | XFCE is like building GNOME up from scratch | Dec 30 19:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Or should I say Debian....you know what they say.."Once you try slack you never go back!" ;) | Dec 30 19:52 | |
| DaemonFC_ | before you know it, they'll even be cloning Nautilus | Dec 30 19:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats raaacist. | Dec 30 19:53 |
| DaemonFC_ | Diablo-D3: Once you go white, a trailer's in sight | Dec 30 19:53 |
| DaemonFC_ | how's that? | Dec 30 19:53 |
| DaemonFC_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h05ZQ7WHw8Y&feature=fvw | Dec 30 19:55 |
| _goblin | Whats racist? | Dec 30 19:56 |
| DaemonFC_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsTLUSMOgas&NR=1 | Dec 30 19:56 |
| _goblin | Have I jumped in space/time and missed something...? Whats racist? | Dec 30 19:58 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin No it isn't good, diversity is one of the benefits of GNU/Linux. I currently use Ubuntu myself, because I'm a lazy old fart. | Dec 30 20:00 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst Exactly what I was saying to CuriousGuru! MS advocates claim diversity is a weakness, I think its a strong point of Linux. | Dec 30 20:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin: Fact is that Ubuntu dumbs you down. It is so damn easy (prohibits tinkering) in contrast to for example the Slack. | Dec 30 20:02 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst True. Thats why my primary rig runs Wolvix! | Dec 30 20:06 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin CuriousGuru? a new nym of Amicus? Nothing new here, the MS Faithful are afraid of choice. GNU/Linux is all about choice... | Dec 30 20:07 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin ... That's one of the reasons they attack GNU/Linux. | Dec 30 20:08 | |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: nm | Dec 30 20:09 |
| _goblin | ah...ok | Dec 30 20:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst No..CuriousGuru is a twitter user and decent person..Not the same person as the troll Amicus! | Dec 30 20:10 | |
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| DaemonFC_ | lmao | Dec 30 20:11 |
| DaemonFC_ | Rush Limbaugh on Family Guy reading off the NPR version of Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back | Dec 30 20:12 |
| DaemonFC_ | accuses Lando Calrissian of getting the job managing Cloud City due to Affirmative Action | Dec 30 20:12 |
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| Mikey__ | hey roy | Dec 30 20:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin Thanks, sorry for the misinterpretation. | Dec 30 20:17 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst No probs! I recommend you follow... CuriousGuru = nice person! | Dec 30 20:18 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Gets a Boost from Chinese #Microchips http://ur1.ca/irlc good stuff ahead... http://ur1.ca/irld | Dec 30 20:23 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Kernel Space #Benchmark: #32Bit Versus #64Bit http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_32_pae&num=1 | Dec 30 20:23 | |
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| Mikey__ | Hey Roy you seen joey lately | Dec 30 20:23 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 30 20:23 |
| schestowitz | Yesterday | Dec 30 20:23 |
| schestowitz | Why? | Dec 30 20:24 |
| schestowitz | We need to arrange new year's | Dec 30 20:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Drivers Now Advertised on Boxes, With Penguin Pictures http://ur1.ca/irai w00t | Dec 30 20:26 | |
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| Mikey__ | new year's? did you have something in mind? | Dec 30 20:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux #Games , More Releases on Their Way http://ur1.ca/irlm http://ur1.ca/irln | Dec 30 20:28 | |
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| schestowitz | Mikey__: yes, I told Joey | Dec 30 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | ANd we ought to invite Mark too, but I don't know his phone # | Dec 30 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Mikey__: those who participated in this year's content, well... we didn't organise anything at the end | Dec 30 20:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] K Desktop Environment ( #KDE SC) to Meet in Nigeria http://ur1.ca/irlu also http://ur1.ca/irlv #kde | Dec 30 20:31 | |
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| Mikey__ | did you have a day in mind for the get together? | Dec 30 20:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Win for #RedHat , Thoughts on Red Hat Descendant #Mandriva http://ur1.ca/irlx http://ur1.ca/irly | Dec 30 20:33 | |
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| schestowitz | Mikey__: probably tomorrow | Dec 30 20:33 |
| schestowitz | But it depends | Dec 30 20:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Praises for #SuperOS . a #Ubuntu Family Member (Derivative Rather) http://ur1.ca/irm1 | Dec 30 20:34 | |
| schestowitz | This weekend in general gives lots of free time to people | Dec 30 20:34 |
| schestowitz | We need to set a time, then tell Joey | Dec 30 20:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Example of Playful Hackery with #Linux -powered #Chumby http://hackaday.com/2009/12/29/composite-video-output-from-chumby/ #chucknorris | Dec 30 20:36 | |
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| Mikey__ | yes it does tomorrow night will be very busy indeed it is new years eve, saturday is ok for me | Dec 30 20:37 |
| schestowitz | OK, cool. | Dec 30 20:39 |
| schestowitz | You got Joey's contacts? | Dec 30 20:39 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Palm Phones Get a #Linux Update http://mobility.cbronline.com/news/palm_updates_webos_for_pixi_pre_smartphones_291209 | Dec 30 20:47 | |
| Mikey__ | yeah] | Dec 30 20:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google to Launch Google's #Android ( #Linux ) Phone Next Week - Sources http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/30/android_event_january_5/ | Dec 30 20:49 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Amused that Linux Outlaws 129 spoof of @uupc called us the "Ubuntu UK Poshcast" :) | Dec 30 20:50 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Sub-notebooks with #ARM Chips to Flood the Market (20 Companies) http://ur1.ca/irna | Dec 30 20:50 | |
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| schestowitz | Mikey__: what time? | Dec 30 20:56 |
| Mikey__ | not sure yet, i'll need to confirm its ok with er indoors first matey: | Dec 30 20:57 |
| Mikey__ | :) | Dec 30 20:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LWN Analysis of the Database Kerkuffle in Europe http://lwn.net/Articles/366480/ | Dec 30 20:58 | |
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| schestowitz | Well, ok, but decade's first brew is a special excuse :-) | Dec 30 20:59 |
| Mikey__ | :) ok i'll speak to you soon Roy, cheerio | Dec 30 21:00 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #GNU #Linux Applications: #Nightshade, #Firebird (RC) http://ur1.ca/iroo http://ur1.ca/irop | Dec 30 21:04 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How #DRM is Killing Books and DRM-Loving #BritishLibrary Helps Kill History http://ur1.ca/irot http://ur1.ca/irov | Dec 30 21:06 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Torrents Are Good: One Million Free and Legal Torrent Downloads http://ur1.ca/iroy Stop the MAFIAA. http://ur1.ca/iroz | Dec 30 21:07 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Suggestions from #IntellectualMonopolies Opposer to Fixing Copyrights http://ur1.ca/irpc http://ur1.ca/irpd | Dec 30 21:09 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Thomas Edison #Patent "Fraudulent", Thomas Jefferson Opposed Some Patents http://ur1.ca/irpg http://ur1.ca/irph | Dec 30 21:11 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/consumer-groups-want-ftc-to-block-google-admob-deal/?cs=38408 | Dec 30 21:33 |
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| DaemonFC | I had a BSOD caused by my USB wifi antenna | Dec 30 21:35 |
| schestowitz | *LOL*: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCC7LuTQ_x0&feature=PlayList&p=BwEUZO6cm0Y&index=23 | Dec 30 21:43 |
| schestowitz | No | Dec 30 21:44 |
| schestowitz | It was caused by Windows, DaemonFC | Dec 30 21:44 |
| schestowitz | roy@roy:~$ uptime | Dec 30 21:44 |
| schestowitz | 21:44:18 up 43 days, 19:07, 2 users, load average: 0.45, 0.56, 0.54 | Dec 30 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | shoddy driver | Dec 30 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | not unusual with cheap hardware | Dec 30 21:44 |
| schestowitz | It reminds me of those Mac fanbois | Dec 30 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Their machines crashed | Dec 30 21:44 |
| schestowitz | And then the fanbot defended it, saying that it shut down to protect the GPU or something.. from heat | Dec 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | MinceR had fun w/ that one | Dec 30 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | so when Linux has crashed on me, it was Linux that crashed itself? | Dec 30 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | No other factor could have been at play? | Dec 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Well, everybody known toys are flammable | Dec 30 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | well, at least Linux doesn't insult you | Dec 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: if you used Linux, then we'd see :-) | Dec 30 21:46 |
| pawel_121 | what usually crash are drivers | Dec 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Works fine for me | Dec 30 21:46 |
| pawel_121 | on Linux - binary blobs | Dec 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Kubuntu alpha crashed on me just once in 4 months... GPU crash (driver) | Dec 30 21:46 |
| pawel_121 | for me kernel never crashed itself | Dec 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | It didn't exactly crash. Just blocky image from nvidia binary driver... once. | Dec 30 21:47 |
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| pawel_121 | I found open source drivers are far more stable, but should I be surprised? ;) | Dec 30 21:48 |
| DaemonFC_ | yeah, I know what you're going to say | Dec 30 21:48 |
| DaemonFC_ | when they exist, they're awesome | Dec 30 21:48 |
| pawel_121 | yes and if they're feature rich | Dec 30 21:49 |
| DaemonFC_ | 5% of the time when they support all features on the device, they're spectacularly awesome | Dec 30 21:49 |
| DaemonFC_ | but at least Linux gives it to you straight between the eyes when it crashes and hands you a black screen of "kernel panic!!!!!" | Dec 30 21:50 |
| DaemonFC_ | it doesn't make any pretenses about shutting itself down "to prevent data loss" | Dec 30 21:50 |
| pawel_121 | right :) | Dec 30 21:50 |
| DaemonFC_ | cause you know damned well what happened to everything that was open | Dec 30 21:50 |
| DaemonFC_ | it's in Data Heaven | Dec 30 21:50 |
| DaemonFC_ | http://www.netgear.com/Home/Products/Adapters/RangeMaxWirelessGAdapters/WPN111.aspx | Dec 30 21:51 |
| DaemonFC_ | Evil on Windows | Dec 30 21:51 |
| phIRCe-local | Evil on Windows | Dec 30 21:51 |
| DaemonFC_ | Unsupported altogether on Linux | Dec 30 21:51 |
| DaemonFC_ | schestowitz: When did you buy the parrot? | Dec 30 21:54 |
| DaemonFC_ | You're not one of them thar software pirates, are ye? | Dec 30 21:55 |
| DaemonFC_ | Just remember not to pick your nose or wipe your ass with that hook for your hand | Dec 30 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: I think I fund the pricks that hammer on the server | Dec 30 22:16 |
| schestowitz | I use iptables to get them kicked | Dec 30 22:16 |
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| schestowitz | It's not even a Web browser, seems forged and hammering only on heavy pages that contain many posts | Dec 30 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Less than 1 second apart | Dec 30 22:17 |
| tessier | schestowitz: Oh? | Dec 30 22:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Man Behind US Declaration of Independence Opposed #Patenting http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/30/thomas-jefferson-edison-patents/ #swpat | Dec 30 22:27 | |
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| cubezzz | yeah Edison wasn't a very nice guy | Dec 30 22:36 |
| cubezzz | Méliès had intended to release the film in the United States to profit from it. Thomas Edison's film technicians, however, secretly made copies of it and distributed it throughout the country. Méliès never profited from it, and he eventually went broke. | Dec 30 22:38 |
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| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Voyage_dans_la_Lune | Dec 30 22:39 |
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| oiaohm | http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/12/30/2118250/Quantum-Encryption-Implementation-Broken Its being a crypt cracking month | Dec 30 22:47 |
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| tessier | Win7 is NTFS so it still requires defrag. Can you believe that? It's 10 years after Windows 2000 and people still run defrag on their drives just like I did on my first DOS machine back in 1990. | Dec 30 22:56 |
| oiaohm | Win7 is ment to defrag in background tessier | Dec 30 22:57 |
| cubezzz | and it's hella slow too | Dec 30 22:57 |
| oiaohm | So user should not have to do it. | Dec 30 22:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Kerala is Still Ahead of the Curve http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/30/libre-software-in-government-kerala/ | Dec 30 23:00 | |
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| oiaohm | So is windows 7 background defragger broken as well cubezzz? | Dec 30 23:00 |
| cubezzz | no, all I can say is that windows 7 is slow on a TF-20 cpu | Dec 30 23:01 |
| oiaohm | Windows 7 slows down at times because it starts the background defrag. | Dec 30 23:02 |
| oiaohm | Most people are not aware that you can background defrag on XP as well. | Dec 30 23:02 |
| oiaohm | Its on the command line where no one would look. | Dec 30 23:02 |
| cubezzz | I only use it now and then when working on customer's laptops | Dec 30 23:03 |
| tessier | oiaohm: Having to defrag at all is just incredibly lame. Linux has been defrag free for the entire time I've been using it (since '93) | Dec 30 23:03 |
| cubezzz | there are Linux defragmenters | Dec 30 23:03 |
| tessier | There are but they are gratuitous. | Dec 30 23:03 |
| cubezzz | I never bother with them | Dec 30 23:04 |
| tessier | And only for ext2 afaik. | Dec 30 23:04 |
| tessier | I have never once seen anyone reach for or recommend a defragger in Linux. But in Windows land it is always one of the first things to do when there are performance issues. | Dec 30 23:04 |
| tessier | How can anyone take down a server for hours or incur terrible performance on a production server to run a defrag? | Dec 30 23:04 |
| *MinceR prefers fragging to defragging | Dec 30 23:04 | |
| tessier | Do you have to defrag SAN volumes also?! | Dec 30 23:04 |
| cubezzz | I installed FC1 in 2004 and I'm still using it on this box | Dec 30 23:05 |
| MinceR | running winblows on a production server is already failure | Dec 30 23:05 |
| oiaohm | http://vleu.net/shake/ << most common used defragger on Linux. tessier | Dec 30 23:05 |
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| oiaohm | Yes it one of the simplest defrag programs ever invented. | Dec 30 23:06 |
| tessier | oiaohm: Never heard of it in 16 years of Linuxing. | Dec 30 23:06 |
| cubezzz | I don't recall any windows install lasting 5 years | Dec 30 23:06 |
| oiaohm | Detects a fragment file and just moves it. | Dec 30 23:06 |
| oiaohm | Linux filesystems when a file is moved and its fragmented it gets defraged automatically. | Dec 30 23:06 |
| cubezzz | this wonderful fujistu drive seems to last forever :) | Dec 30 23:06 |
| cubezzz | almost 10 years old now | Dec 30 23:07 |
| oiaohm | Reason why Linux users normally don't notice fragmentation is the filesystem is dealing with it. | Dec 30 23:07 |
| tessier | oiaohm: hah...all that does is move files. It doesn't even check if they are fragmented in the first place. | Dec 30 23:07 |
| tessier | And how does it prevent the files being written out again from being fragmented on write/ | Dec 30 23:07 |
| tessier | ? | Dec 30 23:07 |
| cubezzz | well, sometimes I complete erase my usb drives | Dec 30 23:07 |
| oiaohm | It does check if the file is fragmented before it moves it tessier | Dec 30 23:08 |
| tessier | oiaohm: How? | Dec 30 23:08 |
| oiaohm | The Linux vfs allows you to ask how many parts a file is on disk tessier | Dec 30 23:08 |
| oiaohm | If its not 1 large part it fragmented. | Dec 30 23:08 |
| oiaohm | Linux filesystem when moved will only reduced the number of fragments in a file. | Dec 30 23:09 |
| cubezzz | is NTFS crap then? | Dec 30 23:10 |
| oiaohm | NTFS has the same feature. | Dec 30 23:10 |
| oiaohm | I have exploited it when windows defrag bails. | Dec 30 23:10 |
| oiaohm | Yet NTFS has a feature that undoes everything. | Dec 30 23:11 |
| oiaohm | A rappid write that takes the first blocks it can get it hands on causes NTFS to get messy. | Dec 30 23:11 |
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| oiaohm | rappid write feature is used for items like the old XP roll back system. | Dec 30 23:12 |
| oiaohm | rapid write is good for real time work. Bad for disk state. | Dec 30 23:12 |
| schestowitz | tessier: can we have a rule to block all requests whose user-agent is "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible;)" | Dec 30 23:14 |
| schestowitz | That's where all those 'attacks' on the server come from | Dec 30 23:14 |
| schestowitz | One happened a minute ago | Dec 30 23:14 |
| cubezzz | some bots are evil and they don't obey robots.txt | Dec 30 23:14 |
| oiaohm | That is a downloader | Dec 30 23:14 |
| oiaohm | Hmm is someone mirroring the site. | Dec 30 23:15 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: maybe | Dec 30 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Based on the download patterns, yes | Dec 30 23:16 |
| schestowitz | It's going day by day, downloading multiple posts in each | Dec 30 23:16 |
| schestowitz | But multiple IP addresses | Dec 30 23:16 |
| oiaohm | multiple ip at the same time. | Dec 30 23:16 |
| oiaohm | Or multipile ip over days. | Dec 30 23:16 |
| oiaohm | Ie multipile ip over days a dynamic ip connection. | Dec 30 23:17 |
| oiaohm | Basically its interesting to say the least. it shows a lot of interest want to mirror a complete site. | Dec 30 23:18 |
| tessier | schestowitz: Sure. Isn't that a common browser though? | Dec 30 23:19 |
| tessier | schestowitz: Oh, wait. Not a robots.txt rule. | Dec 30 23:19 |
| tessier | Hmm | Dec 30 23:19 |
| tessier | I need to get a varnish proxy set up in front of all of my web servers. Then I can have more control over stuff like that. | Dec 30 23:20 |
| cubezzz | I just block obvious crackers and let everything else through | Dec 30 23:21 |
| tessier | hmm....named query log is actually fairly useful. | Dec 30 23:22 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: it's not common as the complete string | Dec 30 23:27 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't even say anything else | Dec 30 23:27 |
| schestowitz | 121.244.174.3 - - [30/Dec/2009:15:04:35 -0800] "GET /2008/10/ HTTP/1.1" 200 160686 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible;)" | Dec 30 23:27 |
| schestowitz | 121.244.174.3 - - [30/Dec/2009:15:04:35 -0800] "GET /2008/02/ HTTP/1.1" 200 153770 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible;)" | Dec 30 23:27 |
| schestowitz | 121.244.174.3 - - [30/Dec/2009:15:04:35 -0800] "GET /2007/12/ HTTP/1.1" 200 197593 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible;)" | Dec 30 23:27 |
| schestowitz | 121.244.174.3 - - [30/Dec/2009:15:04:35 -0800] "GET /2009/08/ HTTP/1.1" 200 213366 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible;)" | Dec 30 23:27 |
| schestowitz | 121.244.174.3 - - [30/Dec/2009:15:04:35 -0800] "GET /2009/12/ HTTP/1.1" 200 242490 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible;)" | Dec 30 23:27 |
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| schestowitz | I'm just blocking these IPs, but they keep coming back. See the separation between timestamps. These are also heavy pages | Dec 30 23:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] A quick blast at R-Type on the Wii, then bedlington :) #fb | Dec 30 23:31 | |
| cubezzz | Kashinath Dhuru marg, Prabhadevi | Dec 30 23:33 |
| cubezzz | address: Dadar(W), Mumbai 400028 | Dec 30 23:33 |
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| cubezzz | TATA Communications formerly VSNL is Leading ISP Data and Voice Carrier in India | Dec 30 23:33 |
| cubezzz | so maybe not malicious | Dec 30 23:34 |
| cubezzz | just curious | Dec 30 23:34 |
| oiaohm | I know that useragent string I just cannot remember or find what downloader manager it owns to. | Dec 30 23:36 |
| oiaohm | It somethign that runs on Linux. | Dec 30 23:36 |
| oiaohm | Ie I did it to myself one day. | Dec 30 23:36 |
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| cubezzz | I'm coining a new computer term: creeping slowness | Dec 30 23:45 |
| cubezzz | it happens when everyone starts using tons of scripts on their web pages | Dec 30 23:45 |
| cubezzz | then they test those scripts on modern hardware | Dec 30 23:45 |
| cubezzz | so when someone uses the same older hardware, it gets slower and slower each year | Dec 30 23:46 |
| MinceR | i call that bloat. :> | Dec 30 23:46 |
| MinceR | it's the cancer that's killing the web. | Dec 30 23:47 |
| cubezzz | it seems that slashdot is getting very slow unless I turn off javascript | Dec 30 23:47 |
| cubezzz | even on a 2 gigahertz machine it seemed unresponsive | Dec 30 23:48 |
| cubezzz | probably ads and stuff like that | Dec 30 23:48 |
| MinceR | and their stupid forum system | Dec 30 23:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: see | Dec 30 23:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | the tons of scripts arent directly bad | Dec 30 23:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | its the fact they aren't all using a toolkit, and they're not all using the same toolkit | Dec 30 23:56 |
| MinceR | it's the fact that they're using scripts to do things that aren't worth doing | Dec 30 23:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Can #Novell Survive 2010 Without Being Acquired/Merged? http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/30/novell-weaknesses-slowdown/ | Dec 30 23:58 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Can Novell Survive 2010 Without Being Acquired/Merged? | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 114.55 KB | Dec 30 23:58 |
| MinceR | and of course many sites are un-accessible if scripts are disabled | Dec 30 23:58 |
| schestowitz | That's the genius of them ! /sarcasm | Dec 30 23:59 |
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