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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Happy #GNU Year | Jan 01 00:08 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] bang bang bang fuckin' bang bang bang bang SNOW!!! | Jan 01 00:20 | |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_1_Second_Film | Jan 01 00:33 |
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| rip | does boycott novell mean boycott openSUSE? | Jan 01 00:51 |
| oiaohm | We do have opensuse users in here so I guess not rip | Jan 01 00:53 |
| oiaohm | Our biggest problems is with items like monolight and mono where MS has the right to pull the right to use out from under our feet. | Jan 01 00:54 |
| oiaohm | That Novell agreed to with MS. | Jan 01 00:54 |
| oiaohm | Basically in our eyes Novell sold the open source world out for there own gain. | Jan 01 00:54 |
| cubezzz | I don't use opensuse | Jan 01 00:55 |
| cubezzz | but no, I don't go around saying don't use opensuse :) | Jan 01 00:55 |
| cubezzz | saying to others | Jan 01 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Lot of the hate against Novell would go away of contracts over stuff appeared that did truly protect the complet open source world including open source developers. | Jan 01 00:56 |
| rip | what is monolight? | Jan 01 00:56 |
| oiaohm | People fail to under stand how many open source developers are techincally commerical developers paid to work on Linux. Most of MS contracts only cover you if you don't get paid. | Jan 01 00:56 |
| cubezzz | really my own real boycott is against microsoft | Jan 01 00:56 |
| MinceR | i do avoid *suse | Jan 01 00:57 |
| oiaohm | Silverlight implementation rip. That even intel will not touch to run on Linux instead forced MS to provide them with Silverlight directly to Intel. | Jan 01 00:57 |
| oiaohm | For Linux. | Jan 01 00:57 |
| MinceR | and i'd tell others not to use them even if the deal wasn't there, as i've found that *suse are of shoddy quality. | Jan 01 00:58 |
| MinceR | 014857 < rip> what is monolight? | Jan 01 00:58 |
| MinceR | typoed moonlight :) | Jan 01 00:58 |
| cubezzz | MinceR, what do you use? I know I probably asked you before but I forgot | Jan 01 00:58 |
| MinceR | kubuntu | Jan 01 00:58 |
| cubezzz | ah, right | Jan 01 00:58 |
| oiaohm | I personally get driven up wall by kubuntu. You will find everyone has there personal taste in distributions. | Jan 01 00:59 |
| cubezzz | that's definitely true | Jan 01 00:59 |
| rip | ok, i don't plan to run any implementation of silverlight for my browser. and I also do not plan to use proprietary software on openSUSE... so i should be good to go, right? | Jan 01 00:59 |
| cubezzz | monolight lol | Jan 01 01:00 |
| MinceR | the m$-novell deal threatens GNU/Linux users regardless of the distro they use | Jan 01 01:00 |
| MinceR | it's FUD against the entire platform. | Jan 01 01:00 |
| oiaohm | M$-Novell deal is even a threat for Novell it only lasts 5 years. | Jan 01 01:00 |
| cubezzz | does anyone actually use moonlight? | Jan 01 01:01 |
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| rip | ok, i don't like proprietary software installed behind my back... how is openSUSE in this regard... even the default Ubuntu installer installs non-free software w/o letting meknow | Jan 01 01:01 |
| oiaohm | MS does in there OEM partner sites. It also complains badly when you go in there with firefox. | Jan 01 01:01 |
| oiaohm | Reason why I run debian rip | Jan 01 01:01 |
| oiaohm | And fedora. | Jan 01 01:01 |
| rip | i also run Fedora | Jan 01 01:02 |
| oiaohm | None of that sneaky stuff going on. | Jan 01 01:02 |
| rip | and is one of the reason I would like to try out openSUSE... to increase my expertise as a home-grown novice sys-admin | Jan 01 01:02 |
| cubezzz | Fedora for me too | Jan 01 01:02 |
| rip | expertise -> novicese | Jan 01 01:02 |
| cubezzz | and Embedix | Jan 01 01:02 |
| cubezzz | "Although Moonlight is free software, the final version will use binary-only audio and video codecs provided by Microsoft which will be licensed for use with Moonlight only when used as a browser plugin" | Jan 01 01:02 |
| MinceR | afaik some leaders of the opensuse project are on novell payroll | Jan 01 01:03 |
| cubezzz | right there you can see the obvious problem(s) | Jan 01 01:03 |
| oiaohm | To be correct debian with custom kernel with openvz support running Fedora and gentoo contained at moment. | Jan 01 01:03 |
| DaemonFC | you can compile it to use gstreamer easily | Jan 01 01:03 |
| MinceR | in my interpretation the boycott would cover opensuse as well as all other versions of Microsoft Linux | Jan 01 01:04 |
| MinceR | (whichever remains today, anyway) | Jan 01 01:04 |
| oiaohm | suse was a company aquired by novell. | Jan 01 01:04 |
| oiaohm | Developers from the suse company were not happy about the deal either. | Jan 01 01:04 |
| cubezzz | to me the number 1 boycott is always the same: Microsoft | Jan 01 01:04 |
| cubezzz | all other boycotts are secondary | Jan 01 01:04 |
| oiaohm | Some even quit Novell over it but still work on opensuse MinceR | Jan 01 01:04 |
| MinceR | yet we didn't see a fork of *suse made by original developers, independently of novell | Jan 01 01:05 |
| MinceR | nor did we see them all quit novell | Jan 01 01:05 |
| oiaohm | the ones still side Novell are not what you call pro the deal. | Jan 01 01:05 |
| oiaohm | You don't leave a good paying job without another to goto MinceR | Jan 01 01:06 |
| rip | but if you wanted a true FSF-sponsored distro... use gnewsense or utotu | Jan 01 01:06 |
| rip | ? | Jan 01 01:06 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i would if my employer was bought by m$ | Jan 01 01:06 |
| DaemonFC | icck | Jan 01 01:06 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: ick, the INTERCAL compiler? :) | Jan 01 01:06 |
| cubezzz | yes, people want to keep their jobs | Jan 01 01:06 |
| cubezzz | there are worse jobs than working for Novell | Jan 01 01:07 |
| MinceR | there probably are better jobs, too | Jan 01 01:07 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: FSF doesn't do user friendly | Jan 01 01:07 |
| cubezzz | yes :) | Jan 01 01:07 |
| DaemonFC | they also don't see mto care if they break half your stuff | Jan 01 01:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Some think longer than you. The deal ends in 5 years time. To them they made SUSE and don't want to lose it. Now if the deal is renewed at the 5 year mark we will see more quit. MinceR | Jan 01 01:07 |
| oiaohm | Ok less than 5 years time. | Jan 01 01:08 |
| oiaohm | 2011 the deal ends. | Jan 01 01:08 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | Jan 01 01:08 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: if that's the case, then nobody does user friendly | Jan 01 01:09 |
| rip | has any1 here used openSUSE... does it install proprietary software behind your back? and if so, how do you disable it? | Jan 01 01:09 |
| oiaohm | You would also notice that the mono project is getting more and more desperate to get followers. MinceR | Jan 01 01:09 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: if they didn't want to lose suse, they shouldn't have sold it to novell. | Jan 01 01:09 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Almost everything they do is pretty sadistic | Jan 01 01:09 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: even if this deal is over, they'll still be in m$'s shadow | Jan 01 01:10 |
| DaemonFC | Stick a real person on a room with Gnewsense | Jan 01 01:10 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: citation needed. | Jan 01 01:10 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: and don't smear FSF for proprietary driver and codec issues, as FSF didn't cause those issues. | Jan 01 01:11 |
| MinceR | hw makers and codec makers and codec promoters caused those issues. | Jan 01 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't matter who caused them | Jan 01 01:12 |
| MinceR | 015955 < DaemonFC> MinceR: FSF doesn't do user friendly | Jan 01 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | it's forcing people to deal with them | Jan 01 01:12 |
| MinceR | this implies that it matters. | Jan 01 01:12 |
| oiaohm | Basically if by 2011 Mono and moonlight is not profitable for Novell why will they renew. Guess where that would leave the lead developer behind Mono. | Jan 01 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: It's worth the Microsoft kickbacks and subsidies | Jan 01 01:13 |
| MinceR | users should have the right to use their hardware and content with free software. | Jan 01 01:13 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: not if the community turns away from novell. | Jan 01 01:13 |
| MinceR | and afaik it is turning away from novell. they're losing customers. | Jan 01 01:13 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Novell though they would be making money from the device market as well. | Jan 01 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | people aren't | Jan 01 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | they're using more Mono every time a new Ubuntu is out | Jan 01 01:13 |
| MinceR | the kickbacks are paid once, the goodwill is lost forever. | Jan 01 01:13 |
| oiaohm | No profit from the Ubuntu installs DaemonFC | Jan 01 01:14 |
| MinceR | they won't pay for mono, even if it's in ubuntu. | Jan 01 01:14 |
| oiaohm | Basically Novell is a business. | Jan 01 01:14 |
| oiaohm | They have to make profit they cannot send money in non profitable for ever. | Jan 01 01:14 |
| oiaohm | The sad thing for Novell is there standard Linux department is the most profitable. | Jan 01 01:16 |
| *cubezzz checks to see how Hurd is doing | Jan 01 01:39 | |
| cubezzz | the history of FOSS is interesting | Jan 01 02:00 |
| cubezzz | In the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s, it was normal for computer users to have the freedoms that are provided by free software. | Jan 01 02:00 |
| cubezzz | then basically a dark ages of computing happened | Jan 01 02:00 |
| cubezzz | of course people and companies were paying a fortune for hardware | Jan 01 02:02 |
| cubezzz | they (used to) be glad people were writing software which made their hardware more useful | Jan 01 02:03 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHARE_(computing) | Jan 01 02:04 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: SHARE (computing) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 23.23 KB | Jan 01 02:04 |
| cubezzz | An IBM mainframe operating system, Airline Control Program (ACP), from 1967 reportedly distributed its source code in a way very similar to free software.[ | Jan 01 02:07 |
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| cubezzz | In 1976 Bill Gates signaled the change of the times when he wrote his now-famous Open Letter to Hobbyists, sending out the message that what hackers called "sharing" was, in his words, "stealing". In 1979, AT&T, for example, began to enforce its restrictive licences when the company decided it might profit by selling the Unix system | Jan 01 02:19 |
| MinceR | suits took over software | Jan 01 02:20 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cygnus_Solutions | Jan 01 02:26 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] كل عام و غزة بخير, كل عام و غرة في انتصار, كل عام و الأقصى إلى الحرية أقرب. و كل عام و مايكروسوفت و إسرائيل إلا زوال! | Jan 01 04:26 | |
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| ender2071 | happy new years EST | Jan 01 05:13 |
| cubezzz | yep | Jan 01 05:13 |
| cubezzz | 5 mins ago | Jan 01 05:13 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Time for mailman membership reminders :-) | Jan 01 05:14 | |
| cubezzz | no flying cars yet though | Jan 01 05:15 |
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| cubezzz | http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~mihaib/kernighan-interview/index.html | Jan 01 06:39 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Unx time is now 40 years old! | Jan 01 06:39 | |
| cubezzz | hmmm, maybe the bot doesn't like tildes? | Jan 01 06:39 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Judge Ricardo Urbina dismissed case against #Blackwater murderers, how do you proceed to get a Judge disbarred? http://ur1.ca/iuac | Jan 01 06:44 | |
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| wallc_ | I just dropped in to wish everyone a Happy New Year...Still have about 22 minutes left of 2009 here (at least, I think so, but the clock's blurry and I've had some wine...lost my glasses too :), so most folks on BN have already moved into 2010...let's hope it's a better year. If not better, maybe it will at least be different. Ok, must go be with my friends here (need more wine too :) Take care, all! | Jan 01 06:47 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Government fucks the Public Domain, an ongoing rape story http://ur1.ca/iuaj | Jan 01 06:49 | |
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| Yfrwlf | weeee happy new year n stuff ^^ | Jan 01 07:04 |
| cubezzz | anyone know what the heck /dev/cciss is for? | Jan 01 07:51 |
| kecskebak | Happy New Year! | Jan 01 07:51 |
| cubezzz | happy new year :) | Jan 01 07:51 |
| cubezzz | it's been good so far | Jan 01 07:52 |
| kecskebak | It's been interesting - the fireworks in the town square exploded about level with my flat window. I've never seen fireworks explode at such close quarters before! | Jan 01 07:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | kecskebak: sue | Jan 01 08:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | =P | Jan 01 08:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: btw, its an HP hw raid device | Jan 01 08:04 |
| cubezzz | they should put this stuff in the man pages | Jan 01 08:10 |
| kecskebak | Diablo-D3: Actually it was very pretty. I liked the purple ones best | Jan 01 08:11 |
| kecskebak | In Hungary many of the fireworks are red, white and green for obvious reasons. | Jan 01 08:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | I could make a "is it because purple is the gay color" joke, but fuck it | Jan 01 08:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: well, there is google after all | Jan 01 08:13 |
| kecskebak | Diabolo-D3: The last time I looked I didn't own an Apple Mac... | Jan 01 08:16 |
| kecskebak | s/Diabolo-D3/Diablo-D3 | Jan 01 08:16 |
| cubezzz | Diablo-D3, it's in the linux kernel docs too | Jan 01 08:19 |
| cubezzz | "This driver is for Compaq's SMART Array Controllers" | Jan 01 08:19 |
| cubezzz | for some reason I thought the dev files were documented in the man pages | Jan 01 08:19 |
| cubezzz | SAK.txt is interesting too | Jan 01 08:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: compaq -> hp | Jan 01 08:22 |
| cubezzz | ah, acquired by HP in 2002 | Jan 01 08:24 |
| tessier | So now it is 2010... | Jan 01 08:41 |
| tessier | Where is my HAL 9000? :( | Jan 01 08:41 |
| kecskebak | Delayed due to patent litigation. | Jan 01 09:01 |
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| tessier | kecskebak: SCO again? :( | Jan 01 09:52 |
| kecskebak | No, some idiot put Mono on it... | Jan 01 10:02 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiLVTzljOjA | Jan 01 10:32 |
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| _goblin | Happy new year all... | Jan 01 10:53 |
| schestowitz | You too! | Jan 01 11:00 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: are you there? | Jan 01 11:00 |
| _goblin | got in at 5am this morning.... | Jan 01 11:01 |
| schestowitz | Not much sleep then, eh? | Jan 01 11:01 |
| _goblin | no :( ....although I am better off with no sleep that too little. | Jan 01 11:02 |
| _goblin | *than | Jan 01 11:02 |
| _goblin | Thought I saw aliens last night........turned out they were Chinese Lanterns that had been released in the air.... | Jan 01 11:03 |
| schestowitz | UFOs then, not alients | Jan 01 11:04 |
| schestowitz | *iens | Jan 01 11:04 |
| _goblin | nah....as far as I was concerned (until someone told me) they were definately aliens!!!!! | Jan 01 11:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Colossal Mistake: #Verizon Puts #Microsoft Before Customers http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/01/verizon-breeds-customer-resentment/ | Jan 01 11:05 | |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: "I want to believe.............." :-) | Jan 01 11:11 |
| kecskebak | We'll be talking about Microsoft being run by shape-changing lizards next... | Jan 01 11:12 |
| kecskebak | Which is obviously ridiculous. Shape-changing lizards use GNU/Linux. | Jan 01 11:13 |
| kecskebak | ;) | Jan 01 11:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MAFIAA ( #Copyright Cartel) Runs the Country http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/01/copyright-cartel-stuffs-debates/ | Jan 01 11:20 | |
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| DaemonFC | heh, someone is accusing Gamestop of putting new shrinkwrap on used games and selling them as new | Jan 01 11:36 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.videogamecritic.net/rants.htm | Jan 01 11:36 |
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| _goblin | schestowitz: It wasnt a case of "I want to.." it was a case of "I did...." bit of a disapointment when I found out what they were.... | Jan 01 11:44 |
| _goblin | and sorry was AFK | Jan 01 11:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft on #GNU #Linux Clones of Microsoft http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/01/clones-of-microsoft-ylmf-os/ | Jan 01 11:53 | |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: check out what Microsoft says about ylmf OS | Jan 01 11:54 |
| _goblin | thanks! | Jan 01 11:54 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Yep, I'm here now | Jan 01 11:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Happy new year to all my friends on Twitter! http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2010/01/01/happy-new-year-2010/ | Jan 01 11:58 | |
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| DaemonFC | Why would you make Linux look like Windows | Jan 01 11:59 |
| DaemonFC | it still doesn't run Windows programs (mostly) | Jan 01 12:00 |
| DaemonFC | any half-sane GUI should be easy to learn in all of about 10 minutes | Jan 01 12:00 |
| _goblin | Or you could ask....Why does Windows look like Gnome/KDE et al.... | Jan 01 12:00 |
| DaemonFC | because Windows looks like Windows has always looked for 15 years now | Jan 01 12:01 |
| DaemonFC | just with updated eye candy | Jan 01 12:01 |
| _goblin | I was being flippant... | Jan 01 12:01 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: "Underneath, Ylmf OS lacks compatibility with wonderful Windows applications like Conficker and Nimda.">> LOOOOL! :P | Jan 01 12:01 |
| _goblin | thats true.... | Jan 01 12:02 |
| _goblin | :) | Jan 01 12:02 |
| DaemonFC | the biggest thing I've seen Windows rip off was BeOS's taskbar grouping | Jan 01 12:02 |
| _goblin | and no BSOD | Jan 01 12:02 |
| DaemonFC | it also can't run Borderlands, Fallout 3, etc | Jan 01 12:02 |
| DaemonFC | which I have | Jan 01 12:02 |
| _goblin | my life is over ????? | Jan 01 12:02 |
| _goblin | get a PS3 | Jan 01 12:03 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Jan 01 12:04 |
| DaemonFC | buying one expensive machine to do what the expensive machine I already own can do, is what that is | Jan 01 12:04 |
| _goblin | but you get bluray.... | Jan 01 12:04 |
| _goblin | ;) | Jan 01 12:05 |
| DaemonFC | yes, paying $30 for a movie disc is so appealing | Jan 01 12:05 |
| _goblin | not that I really care since Im not fussed with gaming.... | Jan 01 12:05 |
| DaemonFC | when I can get it on DVD for $5 | Jan 01 12:05 |
| _goblin | or not watch it at all for free. | Jan 01 12:05 |
| _goblin | better yet, switch off your PC and save the electricity bill too... | Jan 01 12:05 |
| Omar87 | _goblin: : :) | Jan 01 12:05 |
| Omar87 | :) | Jan 01 12:06 |
| _goblin | 2010 money saving tips! | Jan 01 12:06 |
| Omar87 | _goblin: lol! :P | Jan 01 12:06 |
| _goblin | ;) | Jan 01 12:06 |
| _goblin | I got our PS3 for free with a mobile phone contract.... | Jan 01 12:07 |
| DaemonFC | I don't quite get paying 600% to see the movie in 33% higher detail | Jan 01 12:07 |
| DaemonFC | maybe when the price comes down, a lot | Jan 01 12:07 |
| _goblin | VHS? | Jan 01 12:07 |
| _goblin | thats cheap | Jan 01 12:07 |
| DaemonFC | VHS was different | Jan 01 12:07 |
| _goblin | or betamax......you can get some great films at low prices. | Jan 01 12:07 |
| DaemonFC | VHS to DVD gave a nearly 60% increase in resolution | Jan 01 12:08 |
| _goblin | but its cheaper | Jan 01 12:08 |
| DaemonFC | not really | Jan 01 12:08 |
| DaemonFC | they haven't put movies on VHS in over 5 years | Jan 01 12:08 |
| _goblin | you can tape them off the TV for free. | Jan 01 12:08 |
| DaemonFC | and it's hellishly expensive to buy blanks cause they don't make those either | Jan 01 12:08 |
| _goblin | how about VCD | Jan 01 12:09 |
| DaemonFC | you're better off with a DVD recorder that supports DVD-RW | Jan 01 12:09 |
| _goblin | nope....divx/xvid | Jan 01 12:09 |
| DaemonFC | yay for proprietary codecs that won't play on most players | Jan 01 12:09 |
| _goblin | xvid proprietary? | Jan 01 12:10 |
| DaemonFC | xvid is behind divx, and they're both based on Microsoft codecs | Jan 01 12:10 |
| _goblin | and Toshiba do a nice range of compat players for under £40..... | Jan 01 12:10 |
| _goblin | no Xvid is not.... | Jan 01 12:10 |
| _goblin | I mean..... | Jan 01 12:10 |
| _goblin | yes its the open implimentation of Divx... | Jan 01 12:11 |
| _goblin | but which MS codec is it based off? | Jan 01 12:11 |
| _goblin | (btw tosh play .wmv too) | Jan 01 12:11 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft MPEG-4 Version 3 | Jan 01 12:11 |
| DaemonFC | I always just use h.264 | Jan 01 12:12 |
| _goblin | mmmm | Jan 01 12:12 |
| _goblin | Good enough for me: | Jan 01 12:13 |
| _goblin | "A major goal of the project is to further trigger the creation of GPLed applications and to support the Free Software movement. Hence, the Xvid source code is published under the terms of the GNU General Public License, which requires that combined and derived works must be distributed as a whole under the GPL again." | Jan 01 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | well, Microsoft hasn't sued them over it | Jan 01 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | that isn't to say they couldn't | Jan 01 12:14 |
| _goblin | and it won't IMO.... | Jan 01 12:14 |
| _goblin | xvid is "out there" already and is deployed massively on BT | Jan 01 12:14 |
| _goblin | it would be fruitless. | Jan 01 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | there's a handful of hardware players that play Vorbis | Jan 01 12:20 |
| DaemonFC | but I don't know of one that plays Theora | Jan 01 12:21 |
| DaemonFC | mine doesn't | Jan 01 12:21 |
| _goblin | To be honest, I don't know about my Toshiba...... | Jan 01 12:21 |
| _goblin | I'll have to try it.... | Jan 01 12:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Happy and healthy 2010 to all! | Jan 01 12:23 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst Happy new year mate! | Jan 01 12:26 | |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: http://identi.ca/notice/17910069"@schestowitz I talked to the minister of ICT in Jordan recently. Smart people there. Jordan wants to become hub of OS/FS." you should ping him, he's from Red Hat.... maybe you can help. The Queen of Jordan picked Free software for her site. | Jan 01 12:46 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Centrify , #Microsoft , and #SoftwarePatents http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/01/centrify-patent-fud/ #swpat | Jan 01 12:47 | |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: so have a word with Jan; they can help you help Jordan with Free software events and stuff. To counter the Microsoft indoctrination. | Jan 01 12:49 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Thank you to all those noting El Reg. I suspect this pissed off Rat-Faced Freddy much more than he let on at the time: http://is.gd/5I62S | Jan 01 13:06 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bernie Marren is Not a #Patent Troll, He is a Patent Toll http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/01/opti-and-ibm-patent-news/ #ibm | Jan 01 13:17 | |
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| kecskebak | South Somerset Atrocity Terrier? I went to school with several... | Jan 01 13:17 |
| kecskebak | Some interesting health news... http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/health/ten-in-ten-homeopathic-prescriptions-contain-mistakes-200912032281/ | Jan 01 13:22 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Jan 01 13:24 |
| schestowitz | Dawkins did a good documentary about these | Jan 01 13:24 |
| schestowitz | Mumbo-jumbos | Jan 01 13:24 |
| kecskebak | Yes, poor Simon Singh is still suffering for saying so... | Jan 01 13:24 |
| kecskebak | I really like Richard Dawkins and James Randi | Jan 01 13:25 |
| *MinceR_ is now known as MinceR | Jan 01 13:25 | |
| kecskebak | James Randi's site introduced me to critical thinking, which I should have been taught at school | Jan 01 13:25 |
| kecskebak | It's such a help in a world full of PR, spin and bullshit | Jan 01 13:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] New year #Chromium build (4.0.287.0) - Great browser! | Jan 01 13:27 | |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Who is JWildeboer? | Jan 01 13:40 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: Red Hat employee | Jan 01 13:55 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: yeah, I just Googled him. | Jan 01 13:55 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: so, he talked to ICT Minister in Jordan? | Jan 01 13:55 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: I'd have to find out about Randi.... | Jan 01 13:55 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: yes | Jan 01 13:56 |
| kecskebak | Randi is a good friend of Richard Dawkins | Jan 01 13:59 |
| kecskebak | Dawkin's did the keynote of one of Randi's TAM conventions | Jan 01 14:00 |
| kecskebak | This video is a good introduction http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuaJWLeSmEc | Jan 01 14:01 |
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| schestowitz | thanks | Jan 01 14:03 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Linux is definitely going on my Wii | Jan 01 14:11 |
| DaemonFC | that is just too cool | Jan 01 14:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Standard #Windows #Desktop Very Poor Compared to #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/iuv2 | Jan 01 14:13 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another #Video Competition Launched for #GNU #Linux Promotion http://www.daniweb.com/news/story249981.html | Jan 01 14:14 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Desktop #GNU #Linux Has Already Reached Goal http://ur1.ca/iuvb http://ur1.ca/iuvc | Jan 01 14:16 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Odyssey for 2010 http://ur1.ca/iuvi http://ur1.ca/iuvj | Jan 01 14:19 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Gaming Recommendations for Users of #GNU #Linux http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/129980/ | Jan 01 14:23 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandriva Gains #KDE 4.4 Beta 2 http://artipc10.vub.ac.be/wordpress/mandriva/noteworthy-changes-21-december-31-december-2009.html | Jan 01 14:24 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Arch #Linux Impressions http://maketecheasier.com/getting-started-with-arch-linux/2009/12/31 | Jan 01 14:25 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: can it? | Jan 01 14:32 |
| schestowitz | I thought it was just a rare hack | Jan 01 14:32 |
| schestowitz | That few people managed to get it done | Jan 01 14:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Doesn't Know What to Do About #Windows -skinned #GNU #Linux http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/189551.asp | Jan 01 14:34 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #UbuntuTweak Has Nice New Release, New Site http://ur1.ca/iuw4 http://ur1.ca/iuw5 | Jan 01 14:35 | |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: what are the chances that Bill Gates is a Free Mason? | Jan 01 14:35 |
| schestowitz | I think you watch the wrong videos | Jan 01 14:35 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Suggested as Final Solution for Home Servers http://www.register-news.com/opinion/local_story_363202712.html?keyword=topstory | Jan 01 14:37 | |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: me? | Jan 01 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: It can | Jan 01 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | There's a version of Debian for the Wii called white-linux | Jan 01 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | can run everything the PowerPC version of Debian has | Jan 01 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | you have to use a buffer overflow exploit to get the Wii to load the installer, but once it's on, it's on | Jan 01 14:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] FreeBSD Remembers John Birrell and Jean-Marc Zucconi http://freebsdfoundation.blogspot.com/2009/12/letter-from-president.html | Jan 01 14:39 | |
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| DaemonFC | so I'll hold off on the firmware upgrades until I have Linux on it | Jan 01 14:39 |
| kecskebak | Just using the latest nightly build of Inkscape | Jan 01 14:39 |
| kecskebak | Nice new panel for graphics tablets which works nicely | Jan 01 14:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SmartQ Runs #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux and #Android http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/12/31/smartq.v5.mid.ships.with.android.linux.win.ce/ | Jan 01 14:40 | |
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| kecskebak | Lets you test the buttons etc. in a special area to check everything is working | Jan 01 14:40 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: You've essentially got a 739 Mhz PowerPC CPU, 88 MB of RAM, and a 249 Mhz ATI graphics card | Jan 01 14:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] In a closed meeting, communicating secretly with the outside? AKA Corporateespionage.exe, it can't fail http://tinyurl.com/y8pccxw | Jan 01 14:41 | |
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| DaemonFC | Linux won't exactly scream on that hardware, but I've seen it running on the Wii at a more than sufficient pace | Jan 01 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | I think the guy was using XFCE, but not sure | Jan 01 14:41 |
| amarsh04 | I found inkscape a lot slower to load than OO.o last time I tried it | Jan 01 14:41 |
| Yfrwlf | Comparing the price of the Wii and an equivalent "normal" computer, is it worth it? | Jan 01 14:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Under Active Attack from #Microsoft (They Are Nervous) http://ur1.ca/iuwc | Jan 01 14:42 | |
| kecskebak | amarsh04: I haven't noticed any slowdown | Jan 01 14:42 |
| amarsh04 | keckebak, I'll time it now | Jan 01 14:42 |
| kecskebak | 4 secs | Jan 01 14:43 |
| kecskebak | And that's the nightly build so it's a dev version | Jan 01 14:43 |
| kecskebak | Inkscape 0.47+devel r, built Jan 1 2010 | Jan 01 14:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Woman Shows World Why E-Book #DRM is a Total Disaster http://techdirt.com/articles/20091230/0956377548.shtml #swindle #sony | Jan 01 14:44 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Misguided #IntellectualMonopolists Go After #Netflix , Remixes http://ur1.ca/iuwf http://ur1.ca/iuwg | Jan 01 14:45 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #i4i Explains How It Nailed #Microsoft for Breaking #Patent Law http://ur1.ca/iuwi | Jan 01 14:46 | |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: yes, you | Jan 01 14:47 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jan 01 14:47 |
| schestowitz | I saw those people who talk about "Freemasons and stuff" | Jan 01 14:47 |
| schestowitz | They lack evidence | Jan 01 14:47 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: but, what wrong videos are you talking about? | Jan 01 14:48 |
| schestowitz | It's fair to give people an opportunity to voice their minds, but now they claim that Google is "freemasonic" and stuff | Jan 01 14:48 |
| Yfrwlf | I wonder how improved the quality of life would be if patents didn't exist or there were very few. | Jan 01 14:48 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Freemasonry is there. And it has been proven. | Jan 01 14:48 |
| schestowitz | As if Brin and Page in a garage thought, "yeah, let's become the Secret government" | Jan 01 14:48 |
| schestowitz | And Alex Jones says Microsoft was created by IBM or something | Jan 01 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | Yfrwlf: The Wii is $199 new | Jan 01 14:49 |
| schestowitz | That's just utter BS | Jan 01 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | obviously it's not going to be the only purpose of it to run Linux | Jan 01 14:49 |
| MinceR | it's more likely that such a secret society would invite them | Jan 01 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | but I'd say the ability of it to do that should make it weigh more when you're deciding what console to get | Jan 01 14:49 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: yes, they take it too far | Jan 01 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | Nintendo should just make it an official feature | Jan 01 14:50 |
| schestowitz | It's like saying, "Well, OK, the KGB exists" | Jan 01 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | nobody is going to buy a Wii just to run Linux like they did with the PS3 | Jan 01 14:50 |
| Yfrwlf | DaemonFC: Once you install Linux, I wouldn't think you'd be able to get the original Wii software back, meaning it is forever a PC from that point on. | Jan 01 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | Sony d/c'd the Linux support cause they were losing money by having it there | Jan 01 14:50 |
| schestowitz | "And the KGB is trying to colonise Africa..." | Jan 01 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Then someone says, "nonsense!" | Jan 01 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | Yfrwlf: It's in the Homebrew Channel | Jan 01 14:51 |
| amarsh04 | 5 minutes 55 seconds for inkscape; under a minute for OO.o writer | Jan 01 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | you launch Linux like a game | Jan 01 14:51 |
| schestowitz | And I reply, "but yeah, the KGB *Does* exist" | Jan 01 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | does not modify the firmware at all | Jan 01 14:51 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: gates is in some high societies, yeah... | Jan 01 14:51 |
| Yfrwlf | DaemonFC: I see, so you can run both Wii games and Linux software then. | Jan 01 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | People were buying the PS3 just to run Linux and use the PS3's powerful hardware to build cheaap supercomputing clusters | Jan 01 14:52 |
| schestowitz | Like the groupings around CFR and stuff... the Gates family attends Bilderberg too... and Microsoft's Mundie also | Jan 01 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | obviously if Sony loses $3200 every time someone did that, they're not going to want Linux around anymore | Jan 01 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | Yfrwlf: Yes, Linux is on one of your SD cards | Jan 01 14:52 |
| Yfrwlf | DaemonFC: But if you can use the Wii as a normal PC, if it is cheaper than buying a normal PC of equivalent processing power, Nintendo may not like that IF they are losing money on Wii hardware sales and using software to make it back up. | Jan 01 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | the other slot is still available even | Jan 01 14:53 |
| *schestowitz imagines Sergie and Larry riding scooters around the hotels in Bilderberg meetups :-) j/k | Jan 01 14:53 | |
| schestowitz | *Sergei | Jan 01 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | Yfrwlf: It's not cheaper, you can buy PC's in a keyboard for $99 with Linux in there | Jan 01 14:53 |
| MinceR | the console business modell is all about screwing the customer | Jan 01 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | it just makes the Wii more valuable, is my argument | Jan 01 14:53 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: but everybody knows what KGB is. Freemasonry, on the other hand, is still unknown to so many people. | Jan 01 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | It makes it more vauable to me anyway, and I'll still buy tons of games | Jan 01 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87: My uncle is a Freemason | Jan 01 14:54 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC: ok | Jan 01 14:55 |
| Yfrwlf | DaemonFC: Of course it does, I was merely trying to figure out if that is something that would be good in Nintendo's eyes. They should offer Linux as a download in that case and want to help push that as a feature of the Wii. | Jan 01 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | I don't believe it's a doomsday cult or a conspiracy to run the world | Jan 01 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | if anything, they do a lot of good for people, like the Shriner Hospitals | Jan 01 14:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] oooooh i can has?? http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/12/31/smartq.v5.mid.ships.with.android.linux.win.ce/ | Jan 01 14:56 | |
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| Omar87 | DaemonFC: oh yeah, and Hardeez. | Jan 01 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | They take in kids who have cancer and stuff and were left to die by the American medical system | Jan 01 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | and treat them, for free | Jan 01 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | I'd say that makes them alright in my book | Jan 01 14:56 |
| Yfrwlf | Using the power of Scientology! sorry.. | Jan 01 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | Yfrwlf: They are NOT the Scientologists | Jan 01 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | they don't belong in that catagory | Jan 01 14:57 |
| Yfrwlf | it was a joke :P | Jan 01 14:57 |
| Yfrwlf | to go along with the theories about them | Jan 01 14:57 |
| Yfrwlf | and it was also a also a test to see if anyone here was one ;) | Jan 01 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think they're evil or sinister or anything, they're basically just a frat club | Jan 01 14:58 |
| MinceR | http://friendsofirony.com/2009/12/29/quick-everyone-look-away/ | Jan 01 14:58 |
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| DaemonFC | you don't even have to believe in the supernatural to be a Mason | Jan 01 14:59 |
| MinceR | 154820 < DaemonFC> if anything, they do a lot of good for people, like the Shriner Hospitals | Jan 01 14:59 |
| MinceR | they say that about a lot of cults | Jan 01 14:59 |
| MinceR | including roman catholics | Jan 01 14:59 |
| MinceR | probably even about the clams | Jan 01 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I've never seen the Masons attack minorities the way Christians do | Jan 01 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | How's that for a start? | Jan 01 15:00 |
| MinceR | for one thing, that's hardly the only way of doing harm | Jan 01 15:00 |
| MinceR | also, it's ironic hearing that from you of all people | Jan 01 15:00 |
| MinceR | who keeps attacking minorities on this channel | Jan 01 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | the Christians like to manipulate and pervert the political and legal systems to attack people who aren't numerous or rich enough to defend themselves | Jan 01 15:01 |
| Yfrwlf | Yeah DaemonFC, stop attacking me, a minority ;_; but you'll never guess what kind, mwuhahaha | Jan 01 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, you don't see Masons doing that | Jan 01 15:01 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC: you can't prove it. | Jan 01 15:02 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87: Since when have the Masons taken a position on those issues, donated to coalitions to beat up the little guys, etc? | Jan 01 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | The Mormons do that, the Christians do that | Jan 01 15:04 |
| Yfrwlf | Of course, since an extremely large number of people use the label Christianity to refer to themselves, you're always going to find someone doing something you don't agree with who is under that label. | Jan 01 15:04 |
| MinceR | i mostly find cults that are doing evil things under that label | Jan 01 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | Yfrwlf: Ever heard the term "Same shit, different asshole"? | Jan 01 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 01 15:05 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: true | Jan 01 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | Yfrwlf: I will say this. As sick and depraved as American Christian groups tend to be, even 99% of them are distancing themselves from the Uganda "death for gays" bill | Jan 01 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | when they won't touch something, you KNOW it's got to be pretty wicked | Jan 01 15:07 |
| Yfrwlf | I would hope so. | Jan 01 15:07 |
| Yfrwlf | yep | Jan 01 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | makes me think there's some hope | Jan 01 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | 50 years ago, they would be agreeing with the "Hang them all" crap | Jan 01 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | 150 years ago, they preached slavery | Jan 01 15:08 |
| Yfrwlf | Religion will continue to evolve, like it has always done, otherwise it goes extinct. | Jan 01 15:08 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC: this bring us back to the "media" thing. | Jan 01 15:09 |
| MinceR | and it will continue to claim that it never did? :> | Jan 01 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | Yfrwlf: You have to always say NO one more time than they can say YES | Jan 01 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | you wear them down over decades I guess | Jan 01 15:09 |
| MinceR | claiming to build everything on a particular piece of old scripture, etc. | Jan 01 15:09 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC: You seem to drink the CNN, Fox News, BBC kool-aides too much. | Jan 01 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | nonviolent non-cooperation | Jan 01 15:10 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC: these news corporations will never tell you what Freemasons really are. | Jan 01 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | everything they've tried to do to us over the years is falling apart | Jan 01 15:10 |
| Yfrwlf | Well you can never disprove a lot of the core concepts, but where ever those concepts cross over into reality, you can attack those points, so over time they'll just be left with the core part. | Jan 01 15:10 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC: why? Because the are actually owned by Freemasons. | Jan 01 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87: You want me to make you a nice tin foil hat to wear? | Jan 01 15:11 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC: no. | Jan 01 15:12 |
| Yfrwlf | Omar87: Regardless of what things are driving a lot of the corporations, I think basic greed is the majority of that driving force. | Jan 01 15:12 |
| Omar87 | they* | Jan 01 15:12 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: what do you mean? | Jan 01 15:13 |
| kecskebak | Is there any evidence we can look at to substantiate these claims about Freemasonry? | Jan 01 15:14 |
| Yfrwlf | Omar87: I'm saying that regardless of whether or not your theory is true, and of course may be, I think the force mainly driving the government/corporate tank is greed. The assholes end up driving it out of greed, and the nice ones get used. | Jan 01 15:15 |
| Yfrwlf | Regardless of their religion or club status or whatnot. | Jan 01 15:15 |
| kecskebak | Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and all that. | Jan 01 15:15 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: true. | Jan 01 15:16 |
| kecskebak | I don't have any view on the subject either way, as I know nothing about it. | Jan 01 15:17 |
| Yfrwlf | You're suggesting that a good chunk of it all is driven by a single set of motives (one group), and while that coooooould be possible, I think that probably mostly just random bastards are who's in control doing their own things for their own greed. | Jan 01 15:17 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: actually, Free Masonry is not restricted to followers of a certain ethnic or reliogous group. There is an army of free masons here in the Middle East who claim to be "Muslims", for example. | Jan 01 15:18 |
| Yfrwlf | Basically, the theory that a huge number of different organizations are all motivated by one controlling group at the top is a classic conspiracy theory because it's very difficult to do that, to have random assholes cooperate under one flag. To have secrecy among a huge group just isn't something that is ever very plausable. | Jan 01 15:19 |
| Yfrwlf | And this group of Muslims who aren't Muslims is a big group? And you're claiming that news of their true flag and following has leaked out? Yet, you're acting like it's a secret, so which is it? | Jan 01 15:21 |
| Yfrwlf | I mean, once you're outed, there's not point in hiding it anymore. | Jan 01 15:21 |
| Yfrwlf | That's like a group of Mormons who are actually Scientologists. Once someone finds out, you can't hide that anymore. | Jan 01 15:22 |
| Yfrwlf | Or do Scientologists not try to be secretive? | Jan 01 15:23 |
| Yfrwlf | Omar87: Bringing me back to what the others have said, you need proof. It may be true, but there's no point unless you can get some proof. :P | Jan 01 15:24 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: oh, I know Randi | Jan 01 15:25 |
| schestowitz | I watched this video before as well | Jan 01 15:25 |
| schestowitz | I knew the face, not the name | Jan 01 15:25 |
| schestowitz | There are other horsemen with Dawkins... like other bearded men and Hitchens | Jan 01 15:27 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: Dan Dennett: A secular, scientific rebuttal to Rick Warren http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTepA-WV_oE\ | Jan 01 15:27 |
| schestowitz | Matt Asay is a Mormon BTW | Jan 01 15:27 |
| schestowitz | But he's nice | Jan 01 15:28 |
| MinceR | s/rm/r/ | Jan 01 15:28 |
| MinceR | fixed that for you | Jan 01 15:28 |
| kecskebak | The only one I don't like much in that crowd is Michael Shermer | Jan 01 15:28 |
| schestowitz | People from Novell are Mormons a lot of time... in Provo, Utah | Jan 01 15:28 |
| schestowitz | They can marry Linux and Microsoft at the same time :-D | Jan 01 15:28 |
| MinceR | also, i wonder who is he nice to | Jan 01 15:28 |
| Yfrwlf | lol | Jan 01 15:29 |
| MinceR | http://i.somethingawful.com/inserts/articlepics/photoshop/10-03-08-oneletter/Zachsta1.jpg | Jan 01 15:29 |
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| Yfrwlf | Joseph Smith was amazing, that's what everyone should take from Mormonism. Or, people are stupid. Or both. | Jan 01 15:30 |
| kecskebak | Boycott Novell is persuasive because it is stuffed full of evidence. The fact you don't have evidence doesn't make you wrong, but it makes it hard to persuade people who have no view. | Jan 01 15:31 |
| Yfrwlf | It makes for a theory, and theories shouldn't persuade anyone, only make someone go "hmm maybe". | Jan 01 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | downloading Mandriva 2010, might go for a KDE install | Jan 01 15:32 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: *lol* *rimshot* | Jan 01 15:32 |
| Yfrwlf | KDE4 keeps letting me down | Jan 01 15:32 |
| schestowitz | 4.3? | Jan 01 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | it's a compromise, they have better support for GNOME and GTK+ apps without the "find the mystery dependency that apt-get didn't flag and bring in" | Jan 01 15:33 |
| schestowitz | KDE4 helped me forget that anything can ever crash | Jan 01 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | I have a handful of GNOME programs that I want even though I am less than amused with GNOME | Jan 01 15:33 |
| Yfrwlf | schestowitz: even 4.3, while better, still makes me cry, I'm just not too compatible with KDE. | Jan 01 15:33 |
| schestowitz | It's just plasma leaks some RAM, but I can restart it (kde or plamsa-desktop) | Jan 01 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Is it STILL leaking? | Jan 01 15:34 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: What about those secret rituals at the Bohemian Grove? | Jan 01 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | damn | Jan 01 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | how bad? | Jan 01 15:34 |
| Yfrwlf | Omar87: What rituals? | Jan 01 15:34 |
| schestowitz | 4.3.1 | Jan 01 15:34 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: didn't measure it | Jan 01 15:34 |
| schestowitz | I'd need to run a process to tune in to leaks | Jan 01 15:34 |
| schestowitz | It's for developers mostly, not users. I used it when developing in GTK | Jan 01 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Hopefully not as bad as 4.2 was | Jan 01 15:35 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: Those: http://piratenews.org/bohemian-grove-best-photo-by-bohoclub400.jpg | Jan 01 15:35 |
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| DaemonFC | even DWM in Windows 7 improved on that | Jan 01 15:35 |
| schestowitz | Debugging without the know the source code leads to no improvement | Jan 01 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | Vista's would get bloated and eat a good 200 megs sometimes | Jan 01 15:35 |
| Yfrwlf | is that a screen cap from lord of the rings ;) | Jan 01 15:35 |
| MinceR | no, it's from that bohemian grove video, afaict | Jan 01 15:36 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: No :) | Jan 01 15:36 |
| Omar87 | MinceR: true. | Jan 01 15:36 |
| MinceR | about what the leaders of Jesusland do in secret | Jan 01 15:36 |
| Yfrwlf | Omar87: Who's that supposed to be, Mormons, Scientologists, or Freemasons? | Jan 01 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: That's why I turned DWM off when I had Vista and "only" 2 GB of RAM | Jan 01 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | which I think is just unreasonable | Jan 01 15:36 |
| MinceR | when they hide from the people who were supposed to elect them | Jan 01 15:36 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: that picture is rude | Jan 01 15:36 |
| MinceR | and to whom they're supposed to respond | Jan 01 15:36 |
| schestowitz | It makes fun of Billy Bob | Jan 01 15:36 |
| schestowitz | :0) | Jan 01 15:36 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: :) | Jan 01 15:37 |
| Yfrwlf | MinceR: It wouldn't at all surprise me, though I never "got high enough" to see it, and of course very very few ever would. | Jan 01 15:37 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: I have no idea. But it's true. And it happens every single year. Those people you see in the pic are most probably the same men in tuxedos that we see on TV. | Jan 01 15:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/images/signs/1095_signs.jpg [IMG] | Jan 01 15:38 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The thing that struck me the most when I got Mandriva in the boxed set was how much software was on the disc | Jan 01 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | I had never had a Linux DVD boxed set | Jan 01 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | til then it was always like a CD or two | Jan 01 15:39 |
| schestowitz | SUSE 8.1 came with 6 CDs, IIRC | Jan 01 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Maybe 4 | Jan 01 15:39 |
| Yfrwlf | Omar87: It's amazing all the things J.S. came up with though, that's pretty creative, and had the balls to do it all. | Jan 01 15:39 |
| schestowitz | All the software came from there | Jan 01 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Debian repos are over 20gb | Jan 01 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Mandriva had all the repository in a couple DVDs | Jan 01 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | or maybe it was 3 | Jan 01 15:40 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: J. S.? | Jan 01 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | it just kind of blew my mind | Jan 01 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | sure was handy when I had dial up though | Jan 01 15:40 |
| schestowitz | dial up... | Jan 01 15:40 |
| Yfrwlf | Omar87: Joseph Smith, the one who came up with most/some of it. | Jan 01 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | 2002 I believe | Jan 01 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Nobody offered broadband here until 2003 | Jan 01 15:41 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: I don't know him. But I don't think it has anything to do with him. | Jan 01 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | that's when I got DSL, the first day they had it available | Jan 01 15:41 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: | Jan 01 15:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/warcraft_sequel_lets_gamers_play | Jan 01 15:41 |
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| schestowitz | Watch the end | Jan 01 15:41 |
| Yfrwlf | Omar87: Of course he got the ideas from all sorts of different sources, but it's still pretty amazing to me. It's like, you're a film director or book writer, but instead of releasing media, you release a "teaching" that gets played out by your followers before your eyes. | Jan 01 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | even 768k DSL was sweet relief from AOL dial up | Jan 01 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 01 15:42 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: I see. | Jan 01 15:42 |
| Yfrwlf | Omar87: Joseph Smith is the founder of Mormonism. | Jan 01 15:42 |
| Yfrwlf | Omar87: Sorry, used to being in Mormonland, and think others know what I'm talking about sometimes. :) | Jan 01 15:43 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: By the way, the way those people at the Bohemian Grove are dressed, doesn't it remind you of the KKK? | Jan 01 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/zombie_reagan_raised_from_grave | Jan 01 15:44 |
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| DaemonFC | lulz! | Jan 01 15:44 |
| Yfrwlf | I'm sure J.S., David Koresh, etc all felt very powerful, as did those who followed them and were close to them. | Jan 01 15:44 |
| MinceR | i prefer to have an I-frame to lead the GOP :> | Jan 01 15:45 |
| MinceR | s/to // | Jan 01 15:45 |
| schestowitz | Linux dialog utility short tutorial http://unstableme.blogspot.com/2009/12/linux-dialog-utility-short-tutorial.html | Jan 01 15:45 |
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| Yfrwlf | Omar87: Sure, or any cult really, and Mormonism is much more of a cult than normal religious due to it's very life-penetrating and controlling nature. | Jan 01 15:45 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: and there's also Opus Dei.. | Jan 01 15:46 |
| Yfrwlf | Omar87: Never heard of that either. | Jan 01 15:46 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: they're mentioned in Dan Brown's The Da Vinci Code. | Jan 01 15:47 |
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| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opus_Dei | Jan 01 15:48 |
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| Yfrwlf | Omar87: The stuff about mortification is creepy | Jan 01 15:50 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: they claim to be a good group to help Christian Youth and so on. But then they have extremely painful rituals like whipping themselves with something called "The Discipline" | Jan 01 15:51 |
| Yfrwlf | Omar87: I also thought you meant the Bohemian Grove was Mormon-only, sorry. | Jan 01 15:51 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: True. Corporal mortification using the "cilice" or the "Discipline".. etc. | Jan 01 15:52 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: nope, it's not. | Jan 01 15:52 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: I believe it's more about satanism than anything else. | Jan 01 15:52 |
| Yfrwlf | Omar87: Why do you say that? Be careful, because Christians looking at anything non-Christian will often mention Satan, a Christian figure. | Jan 01 15:53 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: Satan is not really a Christian figure. | Jan 01 15:54 |
| Yfrwlf | ' | Jan 01 15:54 |
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| MinceR | well, whose figure is it, then? | Jan 01 15:54 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: even we, Muslims, know Satan. But we fight him and ask God (Allah) to protect us from him. | Jan 01 15:55 |
| Omar87 | MinceR: As I said to Yfrwlf. :) | Jan 01 15:55 |
| Omar87 | MinceR: in fact, Satan is known even to the Jews. | Jan 01 15:56 |
| Yfrwlf | Omar87: Well, true, to some degree, but ideas flow together and apart and stem from one another, so you could say that there is no one "Satan" in Christianity either, as that concept has morphed throughout time, but yes the concept was taken from earlier concepts. | Jan 01 15:56 |
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| Yfrwlf | Water, or water + soap. :P | Jan 01 15:57 |
| ThistleWeb | well, the cat has to pee somewhere, it coulda been worse......it could have been on the pillow, occupied with someone's head | Jan 01 15:59 |
| Yfrwlf | Omar87: So my point is it depends on how loosely you define Satan and Satanism. You could define it as loose as "a single figure who is mean", and call pretty much anything Satanism, lol. | Jan 01 15:59 |
| MinceR | Omar87: both christians and muslims took it from the jews, afaik | Jan 01 15:59 |
| MinceR | so it's all three | Jan 01 15:59 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: well, I'm not so sure how Christians think or believe. But as a Muslim, I can assure that Satan, as we know him, hasn't changed a sinlge bit since the prophecy of Prophet Mohammed (PBUH). | Jan 01 16:00 |
| Omar87 | I can assure *you* that.... | Jan 01 16:01 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: not really. | Jan 01 16:01 |
| Yfrwlf | Omar87: And that's what I'm talking about, you believe in Satan so you see the "negative figure" in all religions, if one exists, as being the Satan from your beliefs. | Jan 01 16:01 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: actually yeah.. perhaps. | Jan 01 16:01 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: the story is not that simple though. | Jan 01 16:02 |
| MinceR | not all religions have a negative figure, afaik | Jan 01 16:03 |
| Yfrwlf | Omar87: And you may be right, but your religion is one of many, and all the "evil" parts (if they exist) that are mentioned in other religions will only be your Satan if your religion is true, because they don't at all agree on what Satan is and cannot all be true. | Jan 01 16:04 |
| Yfrwlf | Omar87: My point being that you cannot have a universal belief in Satan because no one Satan is alike. | Jan 01 16:04 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: I'm not talking about a universal belief in Satan. | Jan 01 16:05 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: I'm talking about a cult of people who worship Satan. | Jan 01 16:05 |
| Yfrwlf | Omar87: Yes you are, when you mentioned Satanism. It would only be Satanism to you if they agreed with your definition of Satan. | Jan 01 16:06 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: No. | Jan 01 16:06 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: Not really. | Jan 01 16:07 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: I'm not sure how they define "Satan", but I know that they worship him. | Jan 01 16:07 |
| Yfrwlf | Omar87: So that means you're calling any praise of a mean figurehead as Satanism, because your concept of Satan is going to be different than your concept, because you're in different religions. | Jan 01 16:09 |
| Yfrwlf | sorry, *their | Jan 01 16:09 |
| MinceR | you could call any worship of an entity called "Satan" "Satanism", regardless of their definition of it. :> | Jan 01 16:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Sam really doesn't get that Clark Kent is Superman. "Where's the man in blue", "It's him!", "But where is the super man?" etc #fb | Jan 01 16:10 | |
| Omar87 | MinceR, Yfrwlf: Not really. They don't just "Praise him", they "Pray to him". | Jan 01 16:11 |
| Yfrwlf | MinceR: You could, you can call anything anything, but I was trying to prove that by suggesting all meanness in the world comes from Satan is based upon *your own* beliefs of what Satan is, and thus will only be true if your belief system is true. | Jan 01 16:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I just heard something that can't possibly be true on the radio. Someone claimed "I don't like coffee". HERETIC!!!! | Jan 01 16:13 | |
| Yfrwlf | Damnit, basically Omar87, if your religion is right, then you're right. There. :P | Jan 01 16:13 |
| Yfrwlf | lol | Jan 01 16:13 |
| MinceR | i don't believe in Satan, yet i can still discuss it | Jan 01 16:13 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: :-) | Jan 01 16:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Sam: "Mummy, I want a cape and an outfit like Superman, and I want to be able to fly out the door". Don't we all, my son! #fb | Jan 01 16:14 | |
| Omar87 | MinceR: Do you believe in God? | Jan 01 16:14 |
| MinceR | Yfrwlf: um, what can "Satanism" mean, if not "worship of Satan"? | Jan 01 16:14 |
| MinceR | Omar87: which god? :> | Jan 01 16:14 |
| MinceR | i believe in myself | Jan 01 16:14 |
| Yfrwlf | Satan is a specific figure which is different between every religion out there, so you can't just say "that's Satanism" and agree with someone else of a different religion. | Jan 01 16:14 |
| MinceR | then you can have multiple different religions called "Satanism" | Jan 01 16:14 |
| MinceR | nothing new there. | Jan 01 16:14 |
| Yfrwlf | My logic is flawless! Damn all yoooooooou! :) | Jan 01 16:15 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: not really. | Jan 01 16:15 |
| Yfrwlf | Omar87 is suggesting that this specific instance is "Satanism" when to them it's probably NOT Satanism, or even if they call who they worship Satan, it's going to be different to them, they'll probably make out this "Satan" to be good in some ways for instance. | Jan 01 16:15 |
| MinceR | their "good" might be different from yours or mine :> | Jan 01 16:16 |
| Yfrwlf | So you can't just go around calling everything Satanism, that's just silly. That's my point. :P | Jan 01 16:16 |
| MinceR | it isn't necessarily silly. | Jan 01 16:16 |
| MinceR | it's a designation that can be useful in particular cases. | Jan 01 16:16 |
| MinceR | which particular religion are we discussing now? | Jan 01 16:17 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: when did I ever "come around calling everything Satanism"? :) | Jan 01 16:17 |
| Yfrwlf | But it's not an *accurate* one, unless you believe that Satan is real, and in that case you're simply saying *your* religion is the right one because your definition of Satan is the one that is correct, when of course the practicers would probably disagree. | Jan 01 16:18 |
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| MinceR | i misread that as "unless you believe that Santa is real" | Jan 01 16:18 |
| Omar87 | MinceR: lol | Jan 01 16:18 |
| Yfrwlf | lol | Jan 01 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Accusing people of being witches has always worked well in the past :) | Jan 01 16:18 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jan 01 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | just stop before you get to the mayor's wife | Jan 01 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Jan 01 16:19 |
| MinceR | it might still work in Jesusland | Jan 01 16:19 |
| MinceR | we'll see when someone tries it again | Jan 01 16:19 |
| Yfrwlf | hehe | Jan 01 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I'm in favor of bringing back the Water Test | Jan 01 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | how about you? | Jan 01 16:19 |
| MinceR | for certain subjects, i'd agree | Jan 01 16:20 |
| MinceR | but not because i believe that test is reliable in any way other than as a method of execution :> | Jan 01 16:20 |
| MinceR | (or rather, a method to choose a method of execution) | Jan 01 16:20 |
| MinceR | "the nonexistence of witches is only a theory!" | Jan 01 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | If you float, you're a witch and they kill you. | Jan 01 16:21 |
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| MinceR | and if you don't, you drown | Jan 01 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | If you sink, you weren't a witch, and your death is a shame. | Jan 01 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | yep | Jan 01 16:21 |
| Yfrwlf | You can't prove the lack of a positive result. That's my answer to religion. :P | Jan 01 16:21 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I know witches | Jan 01 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | then they inquisitors get to keep all your stuff | Jan 01 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | *the | Jan 01 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | even if you "aren't a witch" | Jan 01 16:22 |
| schestowitz | But they are less harmful when the doormen stop them | Jan 01 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | gave them plenty of incentive to find witches | Jan 01 16:22 |
| MinceR | http://www.skepticfiles.org/en001/monty19.htm | Jan 01 16:22 |
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| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: I'm saying that there's a form of "Satanism" that can be acknowledged by all people, regardless of their belief. | Jan 01 16:24 |
| schestowitz | Is Blair a witch? | Jan 01 16:25 |
| schestowitz | He has big pointy ears :-) | Jan 01 16:25 |
| Yfrwlf | Omar87: And I'm saying there isn't, because "Satan" is different between religions. Bhuddism doesn't even have a Satan, so it will NOT be acknowledged. | Jan 01 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know. Does he weigh the same as a duck? | Jan 01 16:25 |
| MinceR | pointy ears don't mean being a witch | Jan 01 16:25 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: Well, I have to disagree with you. | Jan 01 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | If so he's made of wood. That means he's a witch. | Jan 01 16:25 |
| MinceR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordeal | Jan 01 16:27 |
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| Yfrwlf | Omar87: YOU can have a belief that your "Satan", how to define him/them/whatever, is the one some other religions are *actually* referring to, but your belief will not be shared by those of other religions, because *their* idea of Satan will be different, so you will forever disagree with them. | Jan 01 16:27 |
| MinceR | there are a few more methods to try | Jan 01 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I still blame England for that | Jan 01 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | if they hadn't gone and brought the religion with them, there'd have been no crimes against humanity in Salem | Jan 01 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 01 16:28 |
| Yfrwlf | Omar87: and while other religions can have a similar belief, it will again be different because not all religions believe in the same Satan. | Jan 01 16:28 |
| Omar87 | Yfrwlf: this symbol, for example, is aknowledged by both Muslims and Christians as "Satanism": http://dillsnapcogitation.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/satanism.jpg | Jan 01 16:28 |
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| *MinceR likes that symbol | Jan 01 16:29 | |
| Yfrwlf | Omar87: Great, but your beliefs on who Satan is ARE different, so you ARE talking about different Satans. You disagree with others on who Satan is, it's that simple. Satan is different to you than for others. | Jan 01 16:30 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: UK is far less religious than US now | Jan 01 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | maybe so, but you started it :P | Jan 01 16:30 |
| Yfrwlf | schestowitz: I thought the UK was always less religious. | Jan 01 16:30 |
| schestowitz | In think Scandinaviais still at the forefront | Jan 01 16:30 |
| MinceR | 172233 < Yfrwlf> Omar87: Great, but your beliefs on who Satan is ARE different, so you ARE talking about different Satans. You disagree with others on who Satan is, it's that simple. | Jan 01 16:30 |
| MinceR | Satan is different to you than for others. | Jan 01 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | couldn't your colonists have just brought something nicer, like the plague? | Jan 01 16:30 |
| MinceR | not necessarily. | Jan 01 16:30 |
| schestowitz | About 50%, depending on what you askl | Jan 01 16:30 |
| MinceR | he might disagree on what the properties of Satan are, not the identity. :> | Jan 01 16:31 |
| schestowitz | Yfrwlf: I think it's higher for the "Existence" of that magic men (or woman) | Jan 01 16:31 |
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| schestowitz | But no matter what you measure, you're a fringe group in Sweden for praying in stuff | Jan 01 16:31 |
| Omar87_ | schestowitz: huh? | Jan 01 16:32 |
| Yfrwlf | MinceR: The "properties" that make up Satan means it's a different Satan, because Satan is a *belief*. | Jan 01 16:32 |
| schestowitz | Satan is kinda cool. | Jan 01 16:33 |
| schestowitz | I bet she's pretty hot | Jan 01 16:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2009/12/31/miles-davis-plays-mi.html | Jan 01 16:33 |
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| schestowitz | Heh! | Jan 01 16:33 |
| schestowitz | Didn't he die..? | Jan 01 16:33 |
| *schestowitz checks | Jan 01 16:33 | |
| Yfrwlf | Satan can be VERY different between religions, so while you can have a belief that everyone's Satan is your Satan, others are not going to agree with you. | Jan 01 16:33 |
| MinceR | Yfrwlf: it's also a name and an entity. | Jan 01 16:33 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_Davis | Jan 01 16:33 |
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| schestowitz | Died 12991 | Jan 01 16:34 |
| MinceR | (even if a fictional one) | Jan 01 16:34 |
| schestowitz | Blech. 1991 | Jan 01 16:34 |
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| MinceR | and not all religions call any of their negative figures "Satan" :> | Jan 01 16:34 |
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| Yfrwlf | Correct, thank you. :P So, yes, believe that the "Satans" of other religions are actually your belief in Satan all you want, but you can't convince others who have other beliefs in what Satan is to agree with you. | Jan 01 16:35 |
| schestowitz | "So here it is, the end of a very interesting and turbulent year. The stories and hardships of so many were overshadowed by the powerful elite. Bonuses, profits and bailouts seemed to occupy most of the major media and Goldman Sachs took up much of the space." | Jan 01 16:36 |
| Yfrwlf | You can call someone's Jesus a Satan, for instance. To you that would be a "false god", but not to them. | Jan 01 16:36 |
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| kecskebak | I'm sorry if this has been talked about here before, but I found this incredible... | Jan 01 16:37 |
| kecskebak | http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16724 | Jan 01 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | kecskebak: there's a good talk from them on Google Video | Jan 01 16:37 |
| schestowitz | Hold ob.... | Jan 01 16:37 |
| schestowitz | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5524526231174165759&hl=en&emb=1 | Jan 01 16:38 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: THE GLOBAL FINANCIAL CRISIS — Michel Chossudovsky Jan 2009, Montreal .::. Size~: 37.64 KB | Jan 01 16:38 |
| kecskebak | I"ve got that talk as a podcast - it was broadcast on KPFA's Guns and Butter | Jan 01 16:38 |
| *schestowitz likes Chalmers Johnson | Jan 01 16:39 | |
| kecskebak | There's some fascinating stuff on Guns and Butter - Michael Hudson, David Ray Griffin, etc. | Jan 01 16:39 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2009/04/13/chalmers-johnson/ | Jan 01 16:39 |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_media | Jan 01 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | "Unwashed masses" :-) | Jan 01 16:40 |
| Yfrwlf | schestowitz: Q1: Is this your job? Q2: If so, how do you get paid? Q3: Does your butt get numb? ;) | Jan 01 16:40 |
| MinceR | hoi polloi | Jan 01 16:40 |
| Yfrwlf | j/k, I mostly sit too. :P | Jan 01 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Yfrwlf: no, no and no | Jan 01 16:41 |
| Yfrwlf | lol | Jan 01 16:42 |
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| schestowitz | Some people get sore eyes or back | Jan 01 16:42 |
| schestowitz | But a lot of people work on screens 9-5 | Jan 01 16:42 |
| schestowitz | We need to invest supineputers for them | Jan 01 16:42 |
| Yfrwlf | I have an IT job, I can relate :P | Jan 01 16:43 |
| Yfrwlf | has anyone here tried some opened Linux on a Kindle? | Jan 01 16:43 |
| Yfrwlf | if so, is the screen nicer to look at, and if so why don't they sell monitors that are easier on the eyes as well | Jan 01 16:43 |
| MinceR | maybe they eventually will | Jan 01 16:44 |
| MinceR | or someone will hack an ebook reader to work as an external display | Jan 01 16:44 |
| MinceR | probably doable already, just put a VNC viewer on it :) | Jan 01 16:44 |
| Yfrwlf | that'd be neat ^^ | Jan 01 16:44 |
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| MinceR | that is, if networking works already | Jan 01 16:44 |
| MinceR | (over USB, WiFi, BlueTooth or whatever) | Jan 01 16:44 |
| MinceR | you could perhaps even make it possible to move the mouse pointer over to it by running x2x or x2vnc on the host computer | Jan 01 16:45 |
| MinceR | hm, funny | Jan 01 16:46 |
| *MinceR is listening to: Brooklyn Bounce - X2x | Jan 01 16:46 | |
| Yfrwlf | what a kwinkydink :P | Jan 01 16:46 |
| MinceR | wut? | Jan 01 16:46 |
| Yfrwlf | (Mormon reference, too, btw, from the movie Orgazmo) | Jan 01 16:47 |
| MinceR | oh, "coincidence" | Jan 01 16:47 |
| Yfrwlf | nvm :P | Jan 01 16:47 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 01 16:47 |
| Yfrwlf | yep | Jan 01 16:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2009/12/state-employee-investigated-inappropriate-obamapalin-image/ | Jan 01 16:57 |
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| MinceR | better protect that cult of personality | Jan 01 17:00 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Jan 01 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Some people complained about Madoff as clowd picture | Jan 01 17:02 |
| schestowitz | *clown (in major newspaper) | Jan 01 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | My dad opines Madoff is no worse than many of the other major bankers, who belong in prison | Jan 01 17:03 |
| schestowitz | He said they did the same thing, but just not in a private firm like he was, so they picked him rather than the whole lot (Citi, BOA, etc.) | Jan 01 17:04 |
| schestowitz | The funny thing, every informed person knows it is organised crime, yet there is little one can do about it | Jan 01 17:05 |
| schestowitz | They are some of the biggest funders of the United States government (through campaign funding) | Jan 01 17:05 |
| Yfrwlf | Thinking that a banker is useless is floccinaucinihilipilification! Sorry, just looking for an excuse to use that word. :P | Jan 01 17:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Do religious geeks think of Preists as routers who know God's DNS records? | Jan 01 17:07 | |
| Yfrwlf | lol | Jan 01 17:07 |
| Yfrwlf | God is ICANN | Jan 01 17:07 |
| MinceR | ICANN is God? | Jan 01 17:09 |
| Yfrwlf | to break chatroom idleness: | Jan 01 17:20 |
| Yfrwlf | While pondering the floccinaucinihilipilification of long words, I caught Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis while on vacation in Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch. | Jan 01 17:21 |
| Yfrwlf | :3 | Jan 01 17:21 |
| MinceR | i prefer http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Titin&oldid=91021105 | Jan 01 17:23 |
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| Yfrwlf | lol yeah | Jan 01 17:24 |
| Yfrwlf | though you could make a word from, say, someone's DNA | Jan 01 17:25 |
| Yfrwlf | but that'd be cheating | Jan 01 17:26 |
| schestowitz | [17:09] <MinceR> ICANN is God? | Jan 01 17:28 |
| schestowitz | ICANT | Jan 01 17:28 |
| schestowitz | IC*NT | Jan 01 17:28 |
| schestowitz | To be announced by Apple next week | Jan 01 17:29 |
| schestowitz | Internal codename for iSlit | Jan 01 17:29 |
| schestowitz | iLate | Jan 01 17:29 |
| schestowitz | iSlot | Jan 01 17:29 |
| schestowitz | iSl*t | Jan 01 17:29 |
| schestowitz | !google islate sucks | Jan 01 17:29 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - MacDailyNews - Apple Inc. owns iSlate.com | http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/23459/ | Jan 01 17:29 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Bonnaroo fans anger as Kanye West is late | News | NME.COM | http://www.nme.com/news/kanye-west/37412 | Jan 01 17:29 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - It is late. I am finally getting sleeply | River Avenue Blues | http://riveraveblues.com/2009/11/it-is-late-i-am-finally-getting-sleeply-19566/ | Jan 01 17:29 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - YouTube - Why Gears of War Sucks | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DeI8DmupoS0k | Jan 01 17:29 |
| MinceR | iCa NT? | Jan 01 17:31 |
| Yfrwlf | to make a movie of text is just silly :) | Jan 01 17:32 |
| Yfrwlf | poor Google's hard drives, so full of crap | Jan 01 17:32 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Happy #GNU Year! http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/31/happy-gnu-year/ #gnu #fsf | Jan 01 17:34 | |
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| Yfrwlf | so, back on the subject of software >.> | Jan 01 17:36 |
| schestowitz | "#10yearsago I was starting my job at the !fsf. My life aspiration was to get a sysadmin job @fsf. Maybe I shoulda stuck to original plan." http://identi.ca/notice/17919189 | Jan 01 17:36 |
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| Yfrwlf | I wonder if MySQL will be forked | Jan 01 17:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Awww Superman Returns is making Sophie (6) cry at the end.. | Jan 01 17:38 | |
| Yfrwlf | I don't think it will be, I think it'll continue but won't have as much interest as OracleDB, but will keep up enough to continue competing with open source databases. | Jan 01 17:38 |
| schestowitz | My=Oracle's | Jan 01 17:39 |
| schestowitz | LarrySQL | Jan 01 17:39 |
| schestowitz | Leusure Suit Larryisson | Jan 01 17:40 |
| Yfrwlf | I don't think Oracle will just completely drop support/effort for improving MySQL, is what I mean. | Jan 01 17:40 |
| schestowitz | *Leisure | Jan 01 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Of course not | Jan 01 17:40 |
| schestowitz | How else would he upsell mysql users? | Jan 01 17:40 |
| Yfrwlf | hehe | Jan 01 17:41 |
| schestowitz | I never liked how they sold to Sun | Jan 01 17:41 |
| schestowitz | THey could have gone for IPO at the time... this was speculated back thwn | Jan 01 17:41 |
| schestowitz | Same with SugarCRM | Jan 01 17:41 |
| schestowitz | It then means they put you on FraudStreet | Jan 01 17:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Ok, who bought Sam the Peppa Pig sticker book for Christmas? My laptop is now covered. #fb | Jan 01 17:42 | |
| schestowitz | Then Madoffs & his gnomies can speculate on you and decapitate your value | Jan 01 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Does anyone read Sutor at all after OOXML fiasco? http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=4950 | Jan 01 17:43 |
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| Yfrwlf | how rude | Jan 01 17:43 |
| schestowitz | It was not as dry back when he was IBM's mouth on doc stds | Jan 01 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Yfrwlf: it *is* rude... what they do on the 'Street' | Jan 01 17:43 |
| schestowitz | I was't being rude, I think | Jan 01 17:43 |
| Yfrwlf | that's what I was meaning, was just a slow reply because I couldn't think of anything else to say. :P | Jan 01 17:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cbronline.com/news/oracle_gives_open_source_a_patent_pass | Jan 01 17:45 |
| schestowitz | "Oracle has vowed not to assert its patents against open source projects such as the Linux operating system kernel and the MySQL and PosgreSQL databases by entering into a licensing agreement with the Open Invention Network." | Jan 01 17:45 |
| MinceR | 183125 < Yfrwlf> I don't think it will be, I think it'll continue but won't have as much interest as OracleDB, but will keep up enough to continue competing with open source databases. | Jan 01 17:45 |
| Yfrwlf | No Roy, anything you do in the name of money is MORALLY OK! Geez, what've you been smoking. ^^ | Jan 01 17:45 |
| MinceR | so he'll improve it to the level of PostGreSQL? :> | Jan 01 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | Yfrwlf: of course. Taking "Care of the family" | Jan 01 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Ellison: "it's capitalism! I'm competing!" | Jan 01 17:46 |
| Yfrwlf | MinceR: I read postgre wasn't as good for websites though, for whatever reasons, if that's true. :P | Jan 01 17:46 |
| schestowitz | I think he said this after Unbreakable | Jan 01 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Capitalism: good for me, tough for the rest | Jan 01 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Same with "Free markets" | Jan 01 17:46 |
| Yfrwlf | haha yeah, lets hire a hitman, it's competing! | Jan 01 17:47 |
| schestowitz | From Friedman&Clowns | Jan 01 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Greenspan: Trust them!! They're professionals. | Jan 01 17:47 |
| Yfrwlf | and think of the poor hitman's family, they need food too | Jan 01 17:47 |
| schestowitz | It's not food | Jan 01 17:47 |
| schestowitz | It's xbox | Jan 01 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Let them eat xbox | Jan 01 17:47 |
| MinceR | Yfrwlf: probably not for websites that need ACID compliance :> | Jan 01 17:47 |
| schestowitz | For Ellison maybe it's a private jet or yacht... mini yacht for the boy and the gal | Jan 01 17:48 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: dead or live xboxes? :> | Jan 01 17:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | man | Jan 01 17:48 |
| schestowitz | He seems to have many kids from many broken marriages | Jan 01 17:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | if I get rich | Jan 01 17:48 |
| Yfrwlf | well you make sandwiches, and silicon DOES come from sand | Jan 01 17:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | all I want is a nice car | Jan 01 17:48 |
| schestowitz | He must be an arse of a guy | Jan 01 17:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | no plane, no boat | Jan 01 17:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | no mansion | Jan 01 17:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | (you cant get me on a plane, you cant get me on a boat, and Im pretty sure Im not installing a maglev in my own house so no masion either) | Jan 01 17:48 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: in that case, send what's left to me, i'll be fine with that plane, boat and mansion :> | Jan 01 17:49 |
| schestowitz | The Mexican lords have jets | Jan 01 17:49 |
| MinceR | hm, a mansion with maglev -- there's an idea | Jan 01 17:49 |
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| MinceR | ^_^ | Jan 01 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Google had/has a jet too | Jan 01 17:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: nyet, I think I shall have to save the world first | Jan 01 17:49 |
| schestowitz | 757 iirc | Jan 01 17:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | whats left, everyone else can have' | Jan 01 17:49 |
| Yfrwlf | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8F3UE9qFsg see, they like boats. :P | Jan 01 17:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | ooh! mass effect is $4.99 today on steam | Jan 01 17:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | Yfrwlf: that better not be what I think it is | Jan 01 17:50 |
| Yfrwlf | it probably is :3 | Jan 01 17:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | it is | Jan 01 17:50 |
| Yfrwlf | lol | Jan 01 17:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | and dont link to the vevo version damnit | Jan 01 17:50 |
| Yfrwlf | but it came up first ^^ | Jan 01 17:51 |
| MinceR | itty bitty baby, itty bitty boat | Jan 01 17:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | it doesnt matter | Jan 01 17:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | the lonely island have their own official youtube channel | Jan 01 17:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | and they uploaded it in hq hd | Jan 01 17:51 |
| Yfrwlf | oh ok, and that version blipped swears any way. :P | Jan 01 17:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7yfISlGLNU&fmt=22 | Jan 01 17:53 |
| Yfrwlf | thnx :3 | Jan 01 17:54 |
| Yfrwlf | god Flash on Linux is slow | Jan 01 17:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Cat pee on couch: baking soda/peroxide paste on couch, handwash+baking soda in bathtub for soaked cushions, washing machine for covers. | Jan 01 17:55 | |
| Diablo-D3 | yup it is | Jan 01 17:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | use youtube-dl | Jan 01 17:55 |
| MinceR | or clive | Jan 01 17:55 |
| Yfrwlf | or pull it from your cache | Jan 01 17:55 |
| MinceR | also, bomb adobe headquarters | Jan 01 17:55 |
| Yfrwlf | I just leave my cache folder open, sorted by biggest files at top, and copy from there :P | Jan 01 17:55 |
| Yfrwlf | +1 MinceR | Jan 01 17:55 |
| Yfrwlf | hurry and switch to video tags, YouToob | Jan 01 17:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, opera supports html5 theora now | Jan 01 17:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | so all youtube has to do is re-encode all their videos in theora and shit will work. | Jan 01 17:56 |
| Yfrwlf | Firefox and the others do too yes | Jan 01 17:57 |
| MinceR | youtube switching won't be enough, viddler needs to switch too | Jan 01 17:57 |
| MinceR | and many others | Jan 01 17:57 |
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| Yfrwlf | once HTML5 support is commonplace, I hope many sites will start to switch. | Jan 01 17:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, that one site did | Jan 01 17:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: who the fuck is viddler? | Jan 01 17:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | DEAR SITES IVE NEVER HEARD OF | Jan 01 17:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | I DONT CARE IF YOU SWITCH TO HTML5, YOU SUCK | Jan 01 17:58 |
| MinceR | the video hosting service the icanhazcheezburger network uses | Jan 01 17:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | SIGNED, DIABLO | Jan 01 17:58 |
| MinceR | ever since they got tired of youtube for some reason | Jan 01 17:58 |
| Yfrwlf | oo speaking of which, when is D3 coming out, and how fluidly will it play on Linux. :P Stupid Blizzard and their games that run on Linux but don't officially support Linux. | Jan 01 17:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @gvanrossum #20yearsago I created Python. | Jan 01 18:00 | |
| MinceR | Doom3 is already out and iirc it works on linux ;) | Jan 01 18:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | Yfrwlf: my nick is not related to any blizzard entertainment, co. products and predates the company. | Jan 01 18:00 |
| Yfrwlf | Yeah but it reminded me ^^ | Jan 01 18:00 |
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| Yfrwlf | MinceR: WOW DOOM3 IS OUT ZOMG, hehe. 1845 is calling, they want their game back, harhar :P | Jan 01 18:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | and sadly | Jan 01 18:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | darkplaces had doom3 shadows before doom3 did. | Jan 01 18:02 |
| MinceR | Yfrwlf: you're the one who mentioned "D3" | Jan 01 18:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | why not bring up descent3? DURRFAHURFF | Jan 01 18:02 |
| Yfrwlf | lol | Jan 01 18:02 |
| *MinceR doesn't care about shitty blizzard games | Jan 01 18:03 | |
| Yfrwlf | I find most games silly now days :P | Jan 01 18:03 |
| Yfrwlf | I just need to make my own. | Jan 01 18:04 |
| Yfrwlf | With Blender's game engine, woot ^^ | Jan 01 18:04 |
| Yfrwlf | a lot of neat games made with it already, with vids on Youtube | Jan 01 18:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Microsoft – “Your culture will adapt to service us”? – Its all about Probes! (patent 20090327171) http://tinyurl.com/ydyg6vm #microsoft | Jan 01 18:08 | |
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| Yfrwlf | see, the Microsoft = Borg | Jan 01 18:08 |
| Yfrwlf | -th | Jan 01 18:08 |
| Yfrwlf | +e | Jan 01 18:08 |
| Yfrwlf | lol | Jan 01 18:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | YES | Jan 01 18:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | THEY ARE | Jan 01 18:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | WELCOME TO | Jan 01 18:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | 1992 | Jan 01 18:09 |
| Yfrwlf | hehehe | Jan 01 18:09 |
| MinceR | CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL | Jan 01 18:10 |
| Yfrwlf | so that's what happened in 92, skipped that year, was in my cryocapsul | Jan 01 18:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | seriously, the bill gates photoshopped as the borg image has been the microsoft story icon for like, since the start of slashdot | Jan 01 18:11 |
| Yfrwlf | yep, it's great | Jan 01 18:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | so | Jan 01 18:12 |
| *Diablo-D3 identicas | Jan 01 18:12 | |
| Yfrwlf | your mom identicas | Jan 01 18:14 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] I heard #upstart will now be default in !Debian... has !Debian chosen to use #xsplash or similar yet? | Jan 01 18:14 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Mass Effect is $4.99 today on #Steam, I'm finally buying it | Jan 01 18:14 | |
| MinceR | In South Korea, Only Old People Use identi.ca | Jan 01 18:14 |
| Yfrwlf | Mass Effect is for Linux? | Jan 01 18:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | that explains all the foreigners on identica | Jan 01 18:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | Yfrwlf: no, but its supposed to work in wine | Jan 01 18:15 |
| Yfrwlf | oh ok ^^ | Jan 01 18:15 |
| Yfrwlf | I would feel silly paying for a game to play it on Pretend Windows though, hehe | Jan 01 18:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | everything Ive ever bought from Steam has been either $4.99 or $2.49 | Jan 01 18:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | except for the orange box + hl1 anthology, which was $33.73 | Jan 01 18:16 |
| Yfrwlf | even if I knew they'd know I was using Wine and Linux, I'd still be supporting them not making it for Linux :P | Jan 01 18:16 |
| Yfrwlf | so, piracy for me! | Jan 01 18:16 |
| Yfrwlf | lol | Jan 01 18:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | Yfrwlf: uh, you're retarded | Jan 01 18:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | steam keeps track of who uses wine | Jan 01 18:17 |
| Yfrwlf | I've "donated" to a lot of Linux games tho, like World of Goo ^^ | Jan 01 18:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | also, why pirate a $5 game? | Jan 01 18:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | why even fucking bother? | Jan 01 18:18 |
| Yfrwlf | Steam also *sucks* with Wine, hardcore | Jan 01 18:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | steam works 95% on wine | Jan 01 18:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | period | Jan 01 18:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | anyone who says otherwise is a troll | Jan 01 18:18 |
| Yfrwlf | not for me, it sucks | Jan 01 18:18 |
| Yfrwlf | yes I'm trolling and my Steam actually works flawlessly, you're right | Jan 01 18:18 |
| Yfrwlf | >.> | Jan 01 18:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | then you're using severely out of date wine | Jan 01 18:18 |
| Yfrwlf | if you call Ubuntu 9.04 Wine out of date, but I can try it again sometime perhaps, though I still hate Steam. :3 | Jan 01 18:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | um, yes, ubuntu's wine _is_ out of date | Jan 01 18:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're still on like .2x | Jan 01 18:19 |
| Yfrwlf | Technically it's not because they've still yet to release a "stable" branch newer than 1.0.1 | Jan 01 18:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, no one cares about that | Jan 01 18:20 |
| Yfrwlf | I really wish they'd release another stable version, instead of having some games break, and then later get fixed, and break again.. | Jan 01 18:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | 1.1.35 is the newest version | Jan 01 18:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | if ubuntu is older than that, thats broken | Jan 01 18:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | period | Jan 01 18:20 |
| Yfrwlf | I care about it, when my games break | Jan 01 18:20 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Slashdot Story | Codeplex 100 Day Deadline Passes Unremarked #outlawstory http://tinyurl.com/yblqw6p | Jan 01 18:21 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | Yfrwlf: then submit a bug straight to microsoft | Jan 01 18:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | "dear bill gates, quit having your indian monkies write shit code" | Jan 01 18:21 |
| Yfrwlf | like from 1.1.23 to 1.1.24 I think it was, Civ4 completely broke | Jan 01 18:21 |
| Yfrwlf | lol | Jan 01 18:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | if windows didnt suck, wine wouldnt have to reverse engineer absolute shit | Jan 01 18:22 |
| _goblin | diablo-d3: Ive been lucky...Ive built an oldish Wine on Wolvix and since my requirements for Windows binaries are deminishing...ive found it more than enough. | Jan 01 18:22 |
| Yfrwlf | yep, and if companies would make more Linux games, which is what I'm most interested in, not that running Windows proggies on Linux is a bad thing *shrug* | Jan 01 18:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | you could write the same thing that does linux->windows (instead of windows->linux) using backwards engineering the same way | Jan 01 18:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it'd be 100% finished in 2 years | Jan 01 18:22 |
| Yfrwlf | yay for Wolvix | Jan 01 18:22 |
| _goblin | :) yep! | Jan 01 18:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | no needing to look at the non-public api docs, no needing to look at source code | Jan 01 18:23 |
| _goblin | Distro of the year (for me) | Jan 01 18:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | but windows, no, its fucking absolute shit | Jan 01 18:23 |
| Yfrwlf | actually I think they already have, there's something for Windows you can install that will allow you to run Linux programs on your Windows desktop. | Jan 01 18:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, its called virtualbox. | Jan 01 18:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | dohohohoho | Jan 01 18:24 |
| Yfrwlf | and of course you can replace Explorer with KDE.. | Jan 01 18:24 |
| Yfrwlf | nope, native | Jan 01 18:24 |
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| *Anonymous9001 is now known as Diablo-D3 | Jan 01 18:26 | |
| Yfrwlf | well, it's been entertaining, I'm outta, happy holidays everyone ^^ | Jan 01 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/31/us/31meat.html?_r=2&hp=&pagewanted=all | Jan 01 19:39 |
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| schestowitz | Gross..... the new whopper | Jan 01 19:43 |
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| seller_liar | Someone can explain the real intentions of Monty? | Jan 01 19:50 |
| zoobab_ | snce MySQL is dual licensed, he wants to save the proprietary (=money) part of MySQL | Jan 01 19:52 |
| zoobab_ | which Oracle will be happy to kill | Jan 01 19:53 |
| zoobab_ | http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/10/importance-of-license-model-of-mysql-or.html | Jan 01 19:53 |
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| seller_liar | thanks zoobab | Jan 01 19:53 |
| zoobab_ | GPL people won´t care, but this is the way it iss with dual licensing | Jan 01 19:53 |
| seller_liar | Why monty have sold mysql then? | Jan 01 19:54 |
| seller_liar | Monty should not to sell MySql to Sun | Jan 01 19:56 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Thank you David Tennant....As always a great Doctor Who episode. Sad to see David go IMO the best Dr. #drwho | Jan 01 20:10 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Domain name extension 'could boost cyber-crime' - #outlawstory http://tinyurl.com/ycyadra | Jan 01 20:16 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Domain name extension 'could boost cyber-crime' - Times Online .::. Size~: 111.29 KB | Jan 01 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Just had this one pop up: http://amkon.net/boycott-microsoft-t24081.html?p=314000#post314000 | Jan 01 20:19 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Boycott Microsoft - Page 7 - AmeriKan Konspiracy .::. Size~: 75.86 KB | Jan 01 20:19 |
| schestowitz | one of my fav musicians caught in a scandal http://www.theboombox.com/2009/12/31/teddy-riley-responds-to-daughters-assault-allegations/ | Jan 01 20:26 |
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| _goblin | schestowitz: Good find....theres alot of material there to show the benefits of using Linux. | Jan 01 20:27 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: nice to hear all those testimonials | Jan 01 20:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] the title "Greys Anatomy" does sound like a XXX title starring Sasha Grey.....or is it Sasha Gray? | Jan 01 20:28 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell ’s #Christmas Presents for #Microsoft http://bit.ly/4KNqnd #mono #MonoTouch #MonoDevelop | Jan 01 20:33 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Gwibber leaks a lot of memory. Anyone have a good replacement? !Xfce !Debian !Linux | Jan 01 20:39 | |
| _goblin | Seems like everyone is having a good time celebrating the new year....v.quiet here tonight.... | Jan 01 20:59 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: where? The forum? | Jan 01 21:04 |
| schestowitz | It seems rather strong in content | Jan 01 21:04 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: 'twas busy earlier today | Jan 01 21:05 |
| _goblin | maybe its just me.... | Jan 01 21:06 |
| _goblin | keep popping back to see if anyones talking.;.. | Jan 01 21:06 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] ♺ @schestowitz: #Novell ’s #Christmas Presents for #Microsoft http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/01/mono-apple-and-monodevelop/ !monofree | Jan 01 21:14 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Of “Cranky Old Nutcases”… http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/01/syndrome-of-taboo/ #reporting #taboo #mono | Jan 01 21:23 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] we need a Steve Ballmer parody of Madonna's Material Girl, "living in a proprietary world and I am a proprietary boy" | Jan 01 21:23 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Of “Cranky Old Nutcases”& | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 92.48 KB | Jan 01 21:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ThistleWeb Lol....good one...Like my idea of "God Gave Windows Vista to you" by Kiss. http://tinyurl.com/q7qq36 | Jan 01 21:26 | |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: http://schestowitz.com/Amusement/images/ballmer-lipstick.jpg | Jan 01 21:59 |
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| MinceR | ew | Jan 01 22:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BillGates is visiting the #WhiteHouse , but it remains unknown what he is actually visiting for http://ur1.ca/ivid | Jan 01 22:18 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: it was made for a joke in USENET... I can't recall the context | Jan 01 22:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theherooftime.com/2009/12/the-hero-of-time-update-01-01-10/ | Jan 01 22:27 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Most Popular Of 2009 just added to left sidebar of http://newstechnica.com/ (counting hits on old NotN site) | Jan 01 22:46 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] http://www.flickr.com/photos/seanbonner/4234089909/ @brettschulte is a spamming piece of shit. Die. #mocknblock | Jan 01 22:55 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Linux Shaping the Decade with Some Excellent Contributions" http://techie-buzz.com/featured/best-2010-technology-predictions.html | Jan 01 23:09 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: 2010 Tech Predictions that Matter | 2010 Predictions | Technology Predictions .::. Size~: 55.02 KB | Jan 01 23:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Powers "Avatar" http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/12/what-lies-at-heart-of-avatar.html | Jan 01 23:11 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Graphics Stack in #Linux: A Look #OpenGL 3.x in #Mesa http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzg1MQ | Jan 01 23:12 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Game Recommendations for Bored #GNU #Linux Users http://ur1.ca/ivku | Jan 01 23:14 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android / #Linux Comes to Everything, Even #Garmin http://ur1.ca/ivky http://ur1.ca/ivkz http://ur1.ca/ivl0 | Jan 01 23:16 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sub-notebooks with #GNU #Linux Good Fit for Emerging Markets http://ur1.ca/ivl5 http://ur1.ca/ivl6 | Jan 01 23:17 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Free/Open Source Intrusion Detector ( #Suricata ) is Out http://ur1.ca/ivl9 | Jan 01 23:19 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] regon State University Open Source Lab Looks Back at 2009, #Alfresco Eyes 2010 http://sheltren.com/osl2009 http://ur1.ca/ivlc | Jan 01 23:21 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] IE7 now works somewhat on Linux in Wine, if you install it with "winetricks ie7". OH DEAR GOD IT'S HORRIBLE | Jan 01 23:36 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Censorship at #Apple Store and #Poland http://ur1.ca/ivm0 http://ur1.ca/ivm1 | Jan 01 23:36 | |
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| cubezzz | don't run IE, probably better not to use wine if at all possible | Jan 01 23:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Cory Doctorow on #EBook #DRM , National Book Burning Day is Here http://ur1.ca/ivm4 http://ur1.ca/ivkn | Jan 01 23:38 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Tomorrow Is National Book Burning Day; Thank Your Friendly Entertainment Industry Lobbyists | Techdirt .::. Size~: 100.66 KB | Jan 01 23:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolists Strategies Outlined, #ACTA is Coming http://ur1.ca/ivm7 http://ur1.ca/ivm8 | Jan 01 23:40 | |
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| phIRCe-local | Title: My only prediction for 2010 and it aint pretty .::. Size~: 29.89 KB | Jan 01 23:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Pretends it Invented Muscle Sensory http://ur1.ca/ivma #fake #uspto #fail | Jan 01 23:41 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #NetworksNeutrality a Big Issue Next Year, #FCC Chairman Account Cracked http://ur1.ca/ivml http://ur1.ca/ivmm | Jan 01 23:45 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard that's like ordering doggy bags in a restaurant | Jan 01 23:46 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz it's useful for checking the website. everything looks good in Chromium, nothing looks good in IE7 ... | Jan 01 23:57 | |
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