| cubezzz | more research needed | Jan 05 00:00 |
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| oiaohm | Really Monty can go jump. Major thing he does not like about Oracle aquiring it is that the GPL licence will prevent anyone making profit by making a closed source version. | Jan 05 00:05 |
| oiaohm | If it was lack of features issues. GPL is perfectly forkable. | Jan 05 00:05 |
| MinceR | <@Gargamale> word | Jan 05 00:06 |
| MinceR | <mademoiselle> excel | Jan 05 00:06 |
| MinceR | <+fiveiron> powerpoint | Jan 05 00:06 |
| MinceR | <+fiveiron> By your powers combined, I'm an overpriced office suite! | Jan 05 00:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Among Top Predictions for This Year http://ur1.ca/j1mu http://ur1.ca/j1mv | Jan 05 00:06 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IBM Speaks About #FreeSoftware , a Top Job Skill These Days http://ur1.ca/j1ms http://ur1.ca/j1mt | Jan 05 00:06 | |
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| schestowitz | It's a worm spreader, not just an office suite | Jan 05 00:09 |
| cubezzz | good to know Sony's DRM isn't compatible with Kindle | Jan 05 00:09 |
| cubezzz | I guess all these ebook readers use DRM | Jan 05 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Linux doesn't just execute arbitrary things | Jan 05 00:10 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: you can do PDF and text too | Jan 05 00:10 |
| schestowitz | But the dummies will buy "A Book | Jan 05 00:10 |
| schestowitz | They don't know what DRM is | Jan 05 00:10 |
| schestowitz | People I speak to who are not in computing have no clue DRM exists | Jan 05 00:10 |
| cubezzz | that's a little surprising | Jan 05 00:11 |
| oiaohm | Yes I get them all the time until they lose there data. | Jan 05 00:11 |
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| schestowitz | A lot of people out there rely on others being naive | Jan 05 00:11 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, they only then understand | Jan 05 00:11 |
| schestowitz | But they can't name it | Jan 05 00:11 |
| cubezzz | yes, I dont' buy $5 hot chocolate from Starbucks :) | Jan 05 00:12 |
| schestowitz | So they might not know how to avoid recurrence | Jan 05 00:12 |
| cubezzz | I have some brains | Jan 05 00:12 |
| schestowitz | If you drink there, then you're posh, cubezzz | Jan 05 00:12 |
| schestowitz | That's why sheep buy Apple-labelled stuff | Jan 05 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Even garbage like their server and TV 'products' | Jan 05 00:12 |
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| MinceR | they have non-garbage products too? | Jan 05 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Apple markets computers like P&G markets toothpaste | Jan 05 00:13 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they sell images | Jan 05 00:13 |
| schestowitz | They sell lifestyle | Jan 05 00:13 |
| oiaohm | http://www.osnews.com/story/22691/Activate_Windows_7_s_Hidden_God_Mode_ | Jan 05 00:13 |
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| schestowitz | Then they embody these (e.g. dude in jeans) using some Foxconn wares with Apple logo... y'know, like in the ads | Jan 05 00:13 |
| schestowitz | The branding-obsessed society is scary | Jan 05 00:14 |
| oiaohm | MS loves hidding features. | Jan 05 00:14 |
| cubezzz | I'm past that now :) | Jan 05 00:14 |
| schestowitz | "Change", "You're worth it", "Join the navy", "Hope"... | Jan 05 00:14 |
| MinceR | as much as an entire lifestyle can be composed of buying and showing shiny crap | Jan 05 00:14 |
| cubezzz | but I admit I do buy Tyan motherboards | Jan 05 00:14 |
| MinceR | s/showing/showing off/ | Jan 05 00:14 |
| cubezzz | you can't say the quality of everything is uniform | Jan 05 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Tyan is OK | Jan 05 00:14 |
| schestowitz | What's wrong with them? | Jan 05 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Better than Apple Hardware (Tyrant) | Jan 05 00:15 |
| cubezzz | nothing, that's why I buy them :-0 | Jan 05 00:15 |
| oiaohm | Tyan motherboards have a history of being 3 to 4 years ahead of everyone else in construction tech. | Jan 05 00:15 |
| oiaohm | Tyan was the first to use solid stat caps so not having them blow up. | Jan 05 00:15 |
| cubezzz | excellent | Jan 05 00:15 |
| schestowitz | The underware bomber could just as well wear an iPod.... that would burst up in flames | Jan 05 00:16 |
| schestowitz | The iPod would work better even | Jan 05 00:16 |
| cubezzz | probably why this board I use is still working after 11 years | Jan 05 00:16 |
| schestowitz | iPods draw less suspicion | Jan 05 00:16 |
| MinceR | hypePod explosives have unpredictable timing | Jan 05 00:16 |
| schestowitz | And they explode right out of the factory | Jan 05 00:16 |
| MinceR | at least on their own | Jan 05 00:16 |
| schestowitz | I can envision this: | Jan 05 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Next time someone with an iPod has an explosion in the plane people will jump on him or an air marshal shoot her/him | Jan 05 00:17 |
| oiaohm | Also tyan have been known for working out how to make the chipset run as cold as able. That equals way longer life. | Jan 05 00:17 |
| oiaohm | Basically Tyan are not stupid. | Jan 05 00:17 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: iPod explosions are set to rand(); | Jan 05 00:17 |
| schestowitz | the shuffle is like a fire crackers | Jan 05 00:18 |
| schestowitz | You cajn find them in 'flavours' | Jan 05 00:18 |
| oiaohm | gigabyte in recent years in quality have caught up a bit on tyans. | Jan 05 00:18 |
| oiaohm | I really wonder how long before a bomber uses shorted batteries. | Jan 05 00:18 |
| MinceR | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/01/04/178247/INTERPOL-Granted-Diplomatic-Immunity-In-the-US?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29 | Jan 05 00:19 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: but only in fruity flavors | Jan 05 00:19 |
| schestowitz | Worms? | Jan 05 00:19 |
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| oiaohm | diplomatic immunity is a funny thing. | Jan 05 00:21 |
| MinceR | it would be funnier if it couldn't be used against me or to gain advantage on me | Jan 05 00:21 |
| oiaohm | diplomatic immunity means the laws of the country you are in don't apply. But the laws of your home country do apply. | Jan 05 00:21 |
| MinceR | which local law enforcement doesn't know | Jan 05 00:21 |
| MinceR | so you can do whatever you want | Jan 05 00:21 |
| oiaohm | Really it depends on what you do. | Jan 05 00:22 |
| oiaohm | If you kill someone you can be sure diplomatic immunity will not get you far unless it was approved. | Jan 05 00:22 |
| oiaohm | Since killing anyone will make it to your home country. | Jan 05 00:22 |
| oiaohm | Also when you do use diplomatic immunity to get out of a crime that is ment to equal reporting upstream. | Jan 05 00:23 |
| oiaohm | Some local law enforcement is stupid. | Jan 05 00:24 |
| MinceR | some? :> | Jan 05 00:24 |
| oiaohm | Here in Australia claim diplomatic immunity will be a embency call then possible to the country it self own law enforcement if it is a repeat offence. | Jan 05 00:24 |
| oiaohm | So its not much help claiming diplomatic immunity. | Jan 05 00:25 |
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| oiaohm | diplomatic immunity also does not prevent visa from being revoked and kicked out country either MinceR | Jan 05 00:25 |
| oiaohm | Basically all it really means is that Interpol people will not have to spend time in USA jails. | Jan 05 00:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple Abuse with #DRM , #DMCA Still a Nightmare http://ur1.ca/j0e8 http://ur1.ca/j1nw | Jan 05 00:26 | |
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| MinceR | ...for doing stuff that would land usian citizens and even usian law enforcement (including the FBI) in prison. | Jan 05 00:27 |
| MinceR | it's not like diplomatic immunity is the only way to avoid being thrown into jail. | Jan 05 00:27 |
| MinceR | (even if only because there isn't enough space in jail :> ) | Jan 05 00:28 |
| oiaohm | diplomatic immunity does not stop you from being kicked out country. | Jan 05 00:28 |
| oiaohm | It only pevents jail time in country. | Jan 05 00:28 |
| oiaohm | Basically breaking the laws to the point that would threw FBI in prision would be great enough to cause person to be booted out country and have to give there boss a please explain why you were so stupid. | Jan 05 00:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Censorship Backfired in #Australia , Proceeds in #China , #Kazakhstan http://ur1.ca/j1o1 http://ur1.ca/j1o2 http://ur1.ca/j1o3 | Jan 05 00:30 | |
| oiaohm | Even after being booted out since you have diplomatic immunity ever crime you commit is classed as being commited in your home country. | Jan 05 00:31 |
| oiaohm | ever/every | Jan 05 00:31 |
| oiaohm | So yep banned from a country for ever and having to answer to your own law not fun. | Jan 05 00:31 |
| MinceR | so basically your point is that the interpol guys break laws so often that they had to be given a blanket diplomatic immunity so that instead of filling the jails in Jesusland they could be jailed in their respective home countries? :> | Jan 05 00:31 |
| oiaohm | Most likely yes MinceR. | Jan 05 00:32 |
| oiaohm | Jailing a person costs money. | Jan 05 00:32 |
| oiaohm | That USA really does not have. | Jan 05 00:32 |
| oiaohm | Diplomatic immunity is not the blank ticket to do what ever as most people think. Laws still apply. Most people don't read USA or Australian Vesa's clause in both says you break any local law you can be kicked out no matter if you have diplomatic immunity or not. | Jan 05 00:35 |
| oiaohm | If you don't go you will be classed as a illegal immergrate. | Jan 05 00:35 |
| oiaohm | So not paying items like speeding tickets could be really really stupid for the interpol people todo. | Jan 05 00:36 |
| oiaohm | Most people with Diplomatic immunity do pay all there fines because it simpler not to have one smart person wake up that there vesa can be removed so sent out country. | Jan 05 00:36 |
| oiaohm | Also you cannot have Diplomatic immunity in your own country. So any Interpol agents that are USA cits don't have the protection either. | Jan 05 00:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @techdirt: How China's Attempts To Censor The Internet Are Failing http://dlvr.it/GRh | Jan 05 00:39 | |
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| oiaohm | Basically when you understand Diplomatic immunity truly grants and does not grant I don't see what the issue is. MinceR It makes perfect cost effective sence. | Jan 05 00:42 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @deepakurup: "No internet sex please, we're Indian" Web firms observe new law. (?) http://bit.ly/5cwemi We're a bunch of hypocrites | Jan 05 00:42 | |
| MinceR | it seems to be indicative of extremely careless behavior on the part of the interpol guys. | Jan 05 00:46 |
| oiaohm | Also it block interpol from doing stupid things like sending undercovered personal into jails as well MinceR | Jan 05 00:46 |
| oiaohm | Ie you must use Diplomatic protection before sitting in a jail. Otherwise you have accepted what ever the country law has coming for you. | Jan 05 00:47 |
| oiaohm | Now a interpol personal dieing in jail or equal would be a internalation mess. | Jan 05 00:49 |
| oiaohm | Diplomatic immunity means they have to be better behaved over all compared to what they had under the old agreement. Where they could do everything the FBI could and if they did something wrong take a slap over wrist and keep in country. | Jan 05 00:50 |
| oiaohm | Remember the most important thing when hunting a person is being able to follow them. Being banned from particular countries is not effective for Interpol agents. | Jan 05 00:51 |
| oiaohm | Now you think about it MinceR you are the interpol agent. New rule that you can be kicked out country. Would not not be wise to use the locals to help just in case you screw up so you don't lose the person you are hunting. | Jan 05 00:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: The astounding world of the future! Tech predictions for 2010 http://newstechnica.com/?p=1112 | Jan 05 00:55 | |
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| MinceR | i'd rather not work for any authority | Jan 05 00:56 |
| oiaohm | I know MinceR but really the law change is more limiting. | Jan 05 00:59 |
| oiaohm | I can see crime using the new change as a way to get interpol agents off there ass. | Jan 05 01:00 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_immunity The funny part is that abuse of Diplomatic immunity directly lines up with how curruppted there country is. So as long as interpol it self is not a rouge nation no problems. | Jan 05 01:03 |
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| cubezzz | "Microsoft Windows 8 will fix all the problems with that icky old Windows 7. It’ll have a database file system! And no virus problems! And a cute fish on the desktop!" | Jan 05 01:06 |
| cubezzz | hahaha | Jan 05 01:06 |
| oiaohm | That spin is already under way. | Jan 05 01:09 |
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| oiaohm | http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=4867&tag=wrapper;col1 Hmm MS heavy discounting a OS this soon. | Jan 05 01:22 |
| oiaohm | I don't remember them doing that with Vista or XP. Heck not even lemon ME. | Jan 05 01:22 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/01/04/user_interest_satisfaction_in_android_approaching_the_iphone.html Nice artical from apple people. | Jan 05 01:27 |
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| DaemonFC | I need to find an add-on to Seamonkey that adds www and .com when I hit ctrl+enter | Jan 05 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | Windows is losing the most ground to Android and the iPhone | Jan 05 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Jan 05 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | http://blogs.computerworld.com/15343/chrome_linuxs_best_web_browser | Jan 05 01:39 |
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| DaemonFC | Computer World is hyping Google's Fauxpen Source browser | Jan 05 01:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Latest #Vista7 Failures, #Xbox360 Failures, and Microsoft #Cartel http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/04/xbox-360-failures-game-over/ | Jan 05 01:39 | |
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| DaemonFC | well, Chromium is open source under the BSD license right? Mozilla gives you the option of MPL or the LGPL version 2 | Jan 05 01:40 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not a lawyer, but I take that to mean if you fork it, the license is at your option | Jan 05 01:40 |
| DaemonFC | I'd choose LGPL 2 | Jan 05 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/189551.asp | Jan 05 01:41 |
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| cubezzz | they can't do anything about that | Jan 05 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | Not in the US anyway, no | Jan 05 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | Apple sued Microsoft over cloning Mac's interface in the mid 90's | Jan 05 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | the court threw it out saying that look and feel isn't covered by copyright law | Jan 05 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | this Windows XP-ish theme for Linux would be legal even in the US | Jan 05 01:44 |
| cubezzz | right, besides it would be a PR nightmare | Jan 05 01:44 |
| DaemonFC | if I started calling it Microsoft Windows XP and using their trademarked logos, it'd be illegal | Jan 05 01:45 |
| cubezzz | what are they going to say? They used our wallpaper? | Jan 05 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | but just looking like it in a very generic way is fine | Jan 05 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | so I don't know why they say MS is thinking it over | Jan 05 01:46 |
| oiaohm | Remember lindows DaemonFC | Jan 05 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | their lawyers have to know they don't have a case | Jan 05 01:46 |
| oiaohm | the case is already done. | Jan 05 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: That was never ruled on | Jan 05 01:46 |
| oiaohm | MS only option was to try to buy them out. | Jan 05 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft ended up paying Lindows a lot of money to change their name | Jan 05 01:46 |
| cubezzz | how much? | Jan 05 01:46 |
| oiaohm | All paths MS tried just got kicked out of court at first hearing. | Jan 05 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | Lindows likely would have won, but probably would not have been awarded $300,000, oiaohm | Jan 05 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | that's why they settled | Jan 05 01:47 |
| oiaohm | There was no court case alive when they settled DaemonFC | Jan 05 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft got it to "look" like they won when they didn't, and Lindows got a nice fat check for $300,000 | Jan 05 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | for registering a new domain name and changing the product's name | Jan 05 01:48 |
| DaemonFC | I'd have settled too | Jan 05 01:48 |
| oiaohm | It was not settling. | Jan 05 01:48 |
| DaemonFC | $300,000 is a lot of money for doing nothing more than renaming Lindows to Linspire | Jan 05 01:48 |
| oiaohm | It was taking money to change name. | Jan 05 01:48 |
| oiaohm | Now if ms had a legal leg to stand on they would not had to pay. | Jan 05 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | I tried out Linspire at one point | Jan 05 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | more polished than you'd expect a Linux system to be at that point | Jan 05 01:49 |
| oiaohm | Think about how many companies in the USA who have tried to imposnate google. | Jan 05 01:49 |
| oiaohm | And due to trademark laws and the like google gets there trademarks for very min expence. | Jan 05 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but web censorship (BING) and shitty search results (most others) have kept Google on top | Jan 05 01:50 |
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| oiaohm | Lindows was a tricky case to win for MS. Winning would threaten to undo there win against apple. | Jan 05 01:50 |
| oiaohm | So it would be win and lose big time. | Jan 05 01:51 |
| cubezzz | uh, wasn't the case against apple resolved a long time ago? | Jan 05 01:51 |
| DaemonFC | 1995 I think | Jan 05 01:51 |
| DaemonFC | just after Windows 95 launched | Jan 05 01:51 |
| oiaohm | Apple never did all the levels of court they could have applied to. | Jan 05 01:52 |
| cubezzz | or was that Apple suing Microsoft? I can't even remember now | Jan 05 01:52 |
| oiaohm | So apple still could dispute judgement today if there was new evedence like MS winning against a clone. | Jan 05 01:52 |
| DaemonFC | it was Apple v. Microsoft | Jan 05 01:52 |
| cubezzz | like not using a trashcan for recycling? Then Amiga used it anyway | Jan 05 01:52 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft was the defendant in that case | Jan 05 01:52 |
| cubezzz | right | Jan 05 01:52 |
| DaemonFC | well, no modern GUI is truly original | Jan 05 01:53 |
| cubezzz | so did Apple win that case or no? | Jan 05 01:53 |
| DaemonFC | or very unique | Jan 05 01:53 |
| oiaohm | Apple lost cubezzz | Jan 05 01:53 |
| cubezzz | ah, right | Jan 05 01:53 |
| cubezzz | did Xerox GUI have a trashcan? :) | Jan 05 01:53 |
| oiaohm | But apple did not take it threw the full process. | Jan 05 01:53 |
| oiaohm | No Xerox GUI did not have a trashcan | Jan 05 01:53 |
| DaemonFC | Apple was deperate at the time because they had a shit OS, bad hardware, the clone program.... | Jan 05 01:54 |
| DaemonFC | bunch of reasons | Jan 05 01:54 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft ended up bailing them out with a few million dollars | Jan 05 01:54 |
| oiaohm | Also apple could not afford either to following threw to end either. | Jan 05 01:54 |
| cubezzz | it seems pretty obvious though, but I guess Apple did have some ideas first | Jan 05 01:54 |
| DaemonFC | in exchange, Apple used Microsoft Internet Explorer, not Netscape | Jan 05 01:54 |
| oiaohm | MS bailed out Apple to get competition regulators off there ass. | Jan 05 01:55 |
| cubezzz | then Microsoft sold all their Apple holdings I think? | Jan 05 01:55 |
| oiaohm | Not over the gui look a like bit. | Jan 05 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | at the time, Microsoft was more concerned with taking out Netscape than reviving their only competitor | Jan 05 01:55 |
| oiaohm | No MS still has holding in Apple. | Jan 05 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Yeah, they were non voting shares too | Jan 05 01:55 |
| cubezzz | which year did Microsoft bail out Apple? | Jan 05 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | 1997 I think | Jan 05 01:55 |
| oiaohm | 1997-1998 | Jan 05 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | cause the 5 year deal for IE ended in 2002 | Jan 05 01:56 |
| oiaohm | There were many agreements that make up the bail out. | Jan 05 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft discontinued IE, but Apple still bundled it until 2003 | Jan 05 01:56 |
| cubezzz | so post-Amiga era and early Linux era | Jan 05 01:56 |
| cubezzz | but BeOS was flying high | Jan 05 01:56 |
| oiaohm | The first part of the thing to get regulators off ass was IE on Mac | Jan 05 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | BeOS never flew high | Jan 05 01:56 |
| oiaohm | And IE on mac is a good lesson what is going to happen to .Net | Jan 05 01:57 |
| DaemonFC | it burned through a lot of venture capital and then crash landed | Jan 05 01:57 |
| cubezzz | ok, but they did have some good ideas | Jan 05 01:57 |
| oiaohm | All the promisses around IE on mac are about the same as around .net. | Jan 05 01:57 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Microsoft stole one of them for the UI of XP, cubezzz | Jan 05 01:57 |
| DaemonFC | taskbar sorting | Jan 05 01:57 |
| cubezzz | OS market is tough to break into | Jan 05 01:57 |
| cubezzz | ah | Jan 05 01:57 |
| DaemonFC | that was in BeOS originally | Jan 05 01:57 |
| cubezzz | there's no reason BeOS couldn't have had 1% of the market | Jan 05 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft destroyed BeOS in their OEM deals | Jan 05 01:58 |
| oiaohm | Also Next OS that become OS X also had it about the same time DaemonFC | Jan 05 01:58 |
| oiaohm | Ie taskbar sorting. | Jan 05 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | made OEMs sign an agreement to "only pre-install one OS" | Jan 05 01:58 |
| cubezzz | then we could have a checklist from the OEM: do you want Windows, Linux, BeOS? | Jan 05 01:59 |
| oiaohm | That is still happening. | Jan 05 01:59 |
| cubezzz | yeah that is such BS | Jan 05 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | that's why they charged OEMs that offered a choice more money for Windows licenses, cubezzz | Jan 05 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Jan 05 01:59 |
| oiaohm | MS pushes the line that it too confusing to give a user more than 1 OS. | Jan 05 01:59 |
| cubezzz | how much more? | Jan 05 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | a lot | Jan 05 01:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bill Gates’ Influence in #Obama Administration and #Africa Increases Even Further http://ur1.ca/j1tn | Jan 05 01:59 | |
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| DaemonFC | enough to destroy their profit margin | Jan 05 01:59 |
| oiaohm | All licence costs doubled cubezzz | Jan 05 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | and their competitiveness with other OEMs | Jan 05 02:00 |
| oiaohm | At least doubled cubezzz | Jan 05 02:00 |
| cubezzz | so why doesn't the DOJ people do something about that? | Jan 05 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: The reason Dell offers Linux now is cause the US v. Microsoft trial deemed the practices illegal | Jan 05 02:00 |
| oiaohm | Its like with netbooks. | Jan 05 02:00 |
| cubezzz | are they clueless? | Jan 05 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | so Dell can't be charged more for Windows for offering Linux | Jan 05 02:00 |
| cubezzz | ok, well that sounds like a good start at least | Jan 05 02:01 |
| cubezzz | I think Acer does too actually | Jan 05 02:01 |
| oiaohm | The court case did not did not deal with duel booting. | Jan 05 02:01 |
| DaemonFC | OEM's also can't be prevented from installing a non-IE browser, or for hiding or disabling IE | Jan 05 02:01 |
| DaemonFC | that was also in the OEM agreement until US v. Microsoft | Jan 05 02:01 |
| oiaohm | Lot of hardware makers are getting around the duel booting issue due to loop hole in contract. | Jan 05 02:01 |
| trmanco_ | http://geek.phatus.com/2010/01/add-updated-weather-to-your-bash-prompt/ | Jan 05 02:01 |
| trmanco_ | no bad | Jan 05 02:01 |
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| oiaohm | OS in bios is classed as bios so not a OS under the agreement. | Jan 05 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: They could dual boot with multiple OS's on the hard disk though | Jan 05 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | and get Windows for the same price as if it was jsut Windows | Jan 05 02:02 |
| oiaohm | That side of the agreement was not sorted DaemonFC | Jan 05 02:02 |
| oiaohm | The case was over having to pay for machines installed with Linux to MS the price of windows. | Jan 05 02:03 |
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| oiaohm | Ie a Level ten rip off. | Jan 05 02:03 |
| schestowitz | We need ops | Jan 05 02:03 |
| DaemonFC | well, I wouldn't sell dual boot machines anyway | Jan 05 02:03 |
| DaemonFC | just doubling your support calls | Jan 05 02:04 |
| *schestowitz gives channel operator status to amarsh04 fewa | Jan 05 02:04 | |
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| schestowitz | gn | Jan 05 02:04 |
| oiaohm | Depends DaemonFC. | Jan 05 02:04 |
| cubezzz | ok, but why don't I see Linux or non Windows non Mac in the stores? | Jan 05 02:04 |
| cubezzz | later schestowitz | Jan 05 02:04 |
| oiaohm | The in bios soluition let users use online tech support even when windows is shot to hell DaemonFC | Jan 05 02:04 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Cause there's a lot of third party support behind Windows that's not there for Linux | Jan 05 02:04 |
| amarsh04 | http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/05/2785409.htm | Jan 05 02:05 |
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| cubezzz | I want one of these 3 options: blank, freedos or Linux | Jan 05 02:05 |
| cubezzz | blank is not hard for OEM | Jan 05 02:05 |
| DaemonFC | right, but they don't support something that they didn't install | Jan 05 02:05 |
| cubezzz | right? No windows tax but it's not done | Jan 05 02:05 |
| DaemonFC | so blank and you install Ubuntu = No support | Jan 05 02:05 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, then they could install freedos in 60 seconds | Jan 05 02:06 |
| DaemonFC | buy it with Ubuntu pre-installed = support | Jan 05 02:06 |
| oiaohm | Remember back to the early days. | Jan 05 02:06 |
| oiaohm | When you would buy a OS independant to hardware and it would include support for OS bundled. | Jan 05 02:06 |
| cubezzz | I wave any support rights... | Jan 05 02:06 |
| cubezzz | I'll even sign a paper to that effect | Jan 05 02:06 |
| oiaohm | If you read MS windows OEM you have no support rights from MS. | Jan 05 02:07 |
| cubezzz | see, I don't have a choice except pay Microsoft or pay Apple | Jan 05 02:07 |
| cubezzz | I want another choice | Jan 05 02:07 |
| oiaohm | Lot of hardware makers don't want to make up true hardware diagnostic disks. | Jan 05 02:07 |
| cubezzz | let me emphasize _in the stores_ | Jan 05 02:07 |
| oiaohm | Windows prevents a lot of defective machines been returned in the warnitery period. | Jan 05 02:08 |
| DaemonFC | how so? | Jan 05 02:08 |
| oiaohm | People expect windows to play up. | Jan 05 02:08 |
| oiaohm | so a dieing ram or dieing harddrive goes not noticed. | Jan 05 02:08 |
| oiaohm | Windows Vista and up repair mode at long last does some basic hardware checks. | Jan 05 02:10 |
| oiaohm | And I do mean basic. | Jan 05 02:10 |
| oiaohm | A true hardware diagnostic disk for a Machine would be OS netural. And would basically tell you if or if not everything is functioning. If that passed then the OS user is running would be at fault. | Jan 05 02:11 |
| cubezzz | uh, yeah I would notice :) | Jan 05 02:11 |
| cubezzz | bad ram would be intolerable | Jan 05 02:11 |
| cubezzz | why don't the manufacturers just make a machine that is totally reliable? :) | Jan 05 02:11 |
| oiaohm | The bad part is that disk still has to be run on all machines returned for warnitiery. | Jan 05 02:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm | Jan 05 02:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | do me a favor | Jan 05 02:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | stop talking. | Jan 05 02:12 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: depends on the bad ram cubezzz. I have cases machines with marked recalls due to bad ram that customers have still been using and blaming windows for the issue. | Jan 05 02:13 |
| oiaohm | Ram defects can be in non frequently used areas so hide from a person using a OS for a fair ammount of time. | Jan 05 02:14 |
| amarsh04 | I run memtest after any change of RAM configuration | Jan 05 02:16 |
| amarsh04 | better than a corrupt os or program overwriting your hard disk | Jan 05 02:17 |
| cubezzz | I seem to remember memtest86 for Linux | Jan 05 02:18 |
| cubezzz | but lately memory has been pretty reliable | Jan 05 02:18 |
| oiaohm | Talk to google about it cubezzz | Jan 05 02:18 |
| oiaohm | Its reliablity has not changed much over the last 10 years. | Jan 05 02:19 |
| amarsh04 | cubezzz I have it installed as a boot option at the grub menu | Jan 05 02:19 |
| oiaohm | Linux kernel is getting on the fly detection of ram defects so they can be zoned out. | Jan 05 02:19 |
| oiaohm | Large the ram stick the higher the olds it has a dud bit somewhere. | Jan 05 02:19 |
| oiaohm | And it only takes 1 dud bit in the right program to completely ruin your day. | Jan 05 02:20 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: the pure idea that support a OS less machine is impossible is wrong. My point is it can be done and over all it results for end users is better. | Jan 05 02:22 |
| cubezzz | when people were turning their stuff off and on all the time I think that caused some memory problems | Jan 05 02:23 |
| cubezzz | e.g. c64 and their 64x1 DRAM | Jan 05 02:23 |
| cubezzz | 64Kx1 | Jan 05 02:23 |
| amarsh04 | like every piece of hardware having self-test modes | Jan 05 02:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: I dont evne know what you'e talking about | Jan 05 02:24 |
| oiaohm | Really not. Repowering up places key bits in different areas at times. | Jan 05 02:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | all I know is you're talking | Jan 05 02:24 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: each time you power on and off you increase risk of finding an already existing memory fault. | Jan 05 02:26 |
| cubezzz | http://computer.howstuffworks.com/question328.htm | Jan 05 02:28 |
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| oiaohm | Lot of modern day hardware need firmware loaded into them so they can perform there selftest. | Jan 05 02:29 |
| oiaohm | Stress theory is false due to the reason using a machine will cause it heat to rise and drop anyhow cubezzz | Jan 05 02:31 |
| oiaohm | Simple put a temp monitor on a machine while running and let it go into power save You will notice it changes a large range in temp any how. | Jan 05 02:33 |
| oiaohm | Only two major advantages of always on. Cold areas were mostiure could condence. And the annoyance that old harddrives and mothers can sometimes cease at a drop of a hat. | Jan 05 02:34 |
| amarsh04 | I have been largely successful at migrating old disks' contents onto new disks before stiction failure | Jan 05 02:35 |
| amarsh04 | the nearly 11 year old motherboard is doing fine | Jan 05 02:36 |
| cubezzz | which make of motherboard? | Jan 05 02:36 |
| amarsh04 | biostar | Jan 05 02:36 |
| oiaohm | To make Diablo-D3 happen I have a off site job to deal with. I am not supprised I have a old motherboard from 1998 that is still running perfectly well. I don't know what I will do if it ever needs new ram. | Jan 05 02:37 |
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| amarsh04 | mine has a mixture of pc100 and pc133 sdram in it... still have a few sticks of edo ram (192 MiB worth) from a machine that's gone to the recycler | Jan 05 02:38 |
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| shreddar | Those are very pretty and sifi-ish. I hope they convinced venders to actually make those. | Jan 05 03:01 |
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| shreddar | I can leave the keyboard though. But It's still neat. | Jan 05 03:03 |
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| DaemonFC | these are great :) | Jan 05 03:11 |
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| cubezzz | is there a <cite> </cite> in html? | Jan 05 04:32 |
| cubezzz | don't remember seeing that before | Jan 05 04:32 |
| neighborlee | never h eard of it o_0 | Jan 05 04:39 |
| neighborlee | but then html can do alot so who knows what lurks where I have yet to travel <seen too many horror flicks lately> | Jan 05 04:40 |
| cubezzz | evidently it is a part of html | Jan 05 04:43 |
| cubezzz | <cite> Defines a citation | Jan 05 04:43 |
| cubezzz | <code>Computer code text</code> | Jan 05 04:44 |
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| cubezzz | I started with html in 1996 so I'm sure it's changed a lot since then | Jan 05 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | heh, HTML 3.2 | Jan 05 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | it was lulzy *before* Microsoft and Netscape both tried to "extend" it | Jan 05 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript_Style_Sheets | Jan 05 04:47 |
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| DaemonFC | Netscape 4 had support for those | Jan 05 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | it only supported CSS through a JSS to CSS converter, which is why it was so buggy and slow on pages that had CSS | Jan 05 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | if you turned off Javascript in Navigator, you lost CSS support, this is why | Jan 05 04:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | ironic jss is kinda back in style | Jan 05 04:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | just not in that form | Jan 05 04:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | a lot of sites drive theming with heavy js toolkit stuff | Jan 05 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | Netscape 4 was the worst browser ever, period | Jan 05 04:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, yes, they use css underneath, but you get what I mean | Jan 05 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | it wasn't just frustrating to code for, it was poor quality from a user's point of view | Jan 05 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | it's what happened because of the rush to release something, anything, to keep up with MSIE | Jan 05 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | if the page had anything more than the slightest bit of CSS, Navigator would usually just hang | Jan 05 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3: There was a completely proprietary "DHTML" that Netscape 4 supported, nothing else has any support for it | Jan 05 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | but it was kind of cool | Jan 05 04:52 |
| cubezzz | I don't think anyone uses Netscape nowadays | Jan 05 04:52 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Holy crap, just announce it already #Apple! I'm tired of hearing about it already! http://ur1.ca/j11w | Jan 05 04:53 | |
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| DaemonFC | cubezzz: That's what made me lol at Linux users for years | Jan 05 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | while the typical Linux distro was shipping Netscape Navigator cause there just wasn't anything else on *nix that was even that "good" | Jan 05 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | lots of people forget how buggy Mozilla Suite was until around 0.9 or so | Jan 05 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | so it was true that Mozilla was technologically superior, it was also completely unstable | Jan 05 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | so there were really no good browsers on Linux until Mozilla Suite hit 1.0 | Jan 05 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | iirc, Red Hat was still shipping Navigator 4.0 until 2002 | Jan 05 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | it had already been buckling under modern web content for a few years by that point | Jan 05 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | I think that's where Konqueror came from | Jan 05 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | doubts about whether Mozilla would ever ship anything worth using | Jan 05 04:57 |
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| DaemonFC | a child could be conceived, born, and almost done with high school by the time 2 TB worth of streaming quality Vorbis stopped playing | Jan 05 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 05 05:34 |
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| Omar87 | Hi all. | Jan 05 06:01 |
| Omar87 | New MS Mass-hypnosis parade over at my college today. | Jan 05 06:01 |
| Omar87 | How should I attack? | Jan 05 06:02 |
| DaemonFC | what are they doing, exactly? | Jan 05 06:09 |
| amarsh04 | attack of the killer penguins? | Jan 05 06:09 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87: I would say get 500 Kubuntu discs and pass them out, but they're pretty stingy with them lately | Jan 05 06:11 |
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| DaemonFC | lulz @ "Go Green" toddler t-shirts that were made by another child in a third world country, in a factory that's belching out more toxic fumes than a tire fire | Jan 05 06:47 |
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| DaemonFC | Ender2070: I have intelligence from the British that the Reptilians are enriching yellow cake uranium | Jan 05 07:06 |
| DaemonFC | who should I give it to? | Jan 05 07:06 |
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| Omar87 | amarsh04: :-) | Jan 05 07:22 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Lenovo is soon going to release Snapdragon #ARM based netbook http://ur1.ca/j28t | Jan 05 07:28 | |
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| DaemonFC | Internet Explorer is down to 55.72% of web users | Jan 05 07:51 |
| DaemonFC | it'll be down below 50% by August at the rate it's going | Jan 05 07:53 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] “Denny’s Uses Linux” http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/05/happy-new-year-lax-linux/. | Jan 05 08:50 | |
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| satipera | This article contains this quote from an "ip" law firm..."It's an industry and it always will be. When you think about it, bulletproof hosting is just a data version of money laundering." http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/jan/05/internet-piracy-bulletproof | Jan 05 09:33 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] trying out Tomboy notes app on Windows laptop for a bit. Hopefully it syncs to Ubuntu One :) | Jan 05 10:40 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] I've only used XP and below, not Vista or 7. Do they still need reboots after application installs? e.g .net 3.5. | Jan 05 10:57 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Well that was uneventful. Tomboy for Windows synced my notes to Ubuntu one with zero effort. :) | Jan 05 11:14 | |
| zoobab | hoax? | Jan 05 11:16 |
| zoobab | http://ubunlog.com.ar/blog/tras-una-pelea-richard-stallman-detenido-en-el-aeropuerto-de-miami/ | Jan 05 11:16 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] ..also worth noting that I'm behind a proxy on Windows and Tomboy synced nicely. I like. | Jan 05 11:16 | |
| schestowitz | zoobab: yes, joke | Jan 05 11:38 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Jan 05 11:44 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #Apache proxy configuration assistance needed - how to make proxy serve *only* intranet sites? http://is.gd/5MKtQ http://is.gd/5MKug | Jan 05 12:03 | |
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| trmanco | plasma is faster and leaks less now | Jan 05 12:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post | When The Brain Is A Little Behind The Times | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/yb6jwe7 | Jan 05 12:55 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: When The Brain Is A Little Behind The Times | The Digital Prism .::. Size~: 10.02 KB | Jan 05 12:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Jan Wildeboer · Why I will not sign the MySQL petition http://tinyurl.com/ye6es6l | Jan 05 13:00 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The 12 million EUR for the Spanish Presidency website seems to go in the pocket of Telefonica, the telephone monopolist: http://i5.be/ae1 | Jan 05 13:00 | |
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| Omar87 | Hi | Jan 05 14:12 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Everyone is snowed in today. I was at the gym alone with 3 staff members. | Jan 05 14:51 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] APRIL urges the European Commission to reject the patent deal with Microsoft which excludes Free Software: http://i5.be/ae6 | Jan 05 14:53 | |
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| schestowitz | Hey, Omar87 | Jan 05 14:56 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: hi | Jan 05 14:56 |
| Omar87 | I took a look at the MS Mass-hypnosis charade at my college today. | Jan 05 14:57 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Man, it was so damn pathetic. | Jan 05 14:57 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: they had no more than one or two tables. | Jan 05 14:58 |
| schestowitz | Take it easy with them | Jan 05 14:58 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: lol :D | Jan 05 14:58 |
| schestowitz | You can only have more fun not getting upset over it | Jan 05 14:58 |
| schestowitz | Any change you make is good, regardless of outcome | Jan 05 14:58 |
| schestowitz | Jordan is not Brazil or France | Jan 05 14:58 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Ya know? That's right. | Jan 05 14:59 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: I should be more open-minded. | Jan 05 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Take example from Lessig, RMS, others | Jan 05 14:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] NL has also a "patent box": http://i5.be/ae7 Dell and Google are using the same patent box to avoid US taxes: http://i5.be/ae8 | Jan 05 14:59 | |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: And instead of getting upset and stressed, I should be more understanding. And I should be open to negotiation and discussion. | Jan 05 15:00 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: I agree. | Jan 05 15:00 |
| Omar87 | :) | Jan 05 15:00 |
| schestowitz | They are misled | Jan 05 15:00 |
| schestowitz | It's like when Hitchen says about DaemonFC that he should sympathise | Jan 05 15:01 |
| schestowitz | Mass hypnosis from Fox | Jan 05 15:01 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: True. | Jan 05 15:02 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] There are no patent trolls in Europe: http://i5.be/ae9 | Jan 05 15:02 | |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: DaemonFC is very misled. And he can't be blame for it. Though there is one thing that we can blame him for which repeating everything he hears from those Fox clowns. | Jan 05 15:03 |
| Omar87 | Without taking the time to think carefully. | Jan 05 15:04 |
| Omar87 | He's not alone, though. | Jan 05 15:04 |
| schestowitz | to be satiricial, if you keep calm, you'll have low blood pressure and be able to advance freedom for longer :-) | Jan 05 15:04 |
| schestowitz | Angry people makes people angry... it's bad for changing opinions of those on the other side | Jan 05 15:05 |
| schestowitz | That's why I can't listen to Gallaway much | Jan 05 15:05 |
| schestowitz | Galloway | Jan 05 15:05 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: I think he changes his mind | Jan 05 15:05 |
| Omar87 | Because he's angry? | Jan 05 15:05 |
| schestowitz | People think what they are told to think based on heir environment | Jan 05 15:05 |
| Omar87 | Changes his mind? | Jan 05 15:06 |
| schestowitz | That's why people in country X tend to align with the country's policies, be they true or false | Jan 05 15:06 |
| Omar87 | Not quite true. | Jan 05 15:06 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: doesn't matter if you're angry. You can suppress it and speak about the facts | Jan 05 15:06 |
| schestowitz | Elaborate pls | Jan 05 15:07 |
| Omar87 | For example, people of Egypt hate their country so very much. | Jan 05 15:07 |
| Omar87 | No | Jan 05 15:07 |
| Omar87 | Sorry. | Jan 05 15:07 |
| schestowitz | Egypt is a good country | Jan 05 15:07 |
| Omar87 | They don't hate their country. | Jan 05 15:07 |
| schestowitz | But they are close to the West | Jan 05 15:07 |
| Omar87 | They hate their government so very much. | Jan 05 15:07 |
| schestowitz | So some people are unhappy about it, since the middle of the 20th century | Jan 05 15:07 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: but they elect it, the majority at least | Jan 05 15:08 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Untrue. | Jan 05 15:08 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: They did not elect Mubabarak. | Jan 05 15:08 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: And they are totally against passing the government to his son. | Jan 05 15:09 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Just exactly like how all Arabian goverments did not sit on their thrones in a legal, democratic way. | Jan 05 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Mubabarak. :-) | Jan 05 15:12 |
| schestowitz | Mubaba[*1]rak. :-) | Jan 05 15:12 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: They came through oppression. | Jan 05 15:13 |
| Omar87 | I didn't get it. :) | Jan 05 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Mubarak | Jan 05 15:14 |
| schestowitz | You wrote Mubabarak. | Jan 05 15:14 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know it was still inheritance-based, like the British Monarchy | Jan 05 15:15 |
| Omar87 | Oh yeah, it is. | Jan 05 15:15 |
| schestowitz | Hereditary regimes appoint not based on character and qualities and there is no risk of losing power | Jan 05 15:16 |
| Omar87 | Even those who claim to be "democratic" are actually "undemocratic". | Jan 05 15:16 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Though the US ain't not difference when it comes to electing the government. | Jan 05 15:17 |
| schestowitz | There is no democracy in the world... I'ev always said so | Jan 05 15:17 |
| schestowitz | "democracy" is a textbook idea like "Utopia" | Jan 05 15:17 |
| schestowitz | The US was never designed the be a democracy | Jan 05 15:17 |
| schestowitz | Explicitly so | Jan 05 15:18 |
| schestowitz | The word democracy is used there like "freedom" and "free speech" | Jan 05 15:18 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: "Though the US ain't no better when it comes...." ** | Jan 05 15:18 |
| schestowitz | You are "Free" only in certain ways and your free speech is a farce because you have boundaries and thus self-censorship | Jan 05 15:18 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Even free speech doesn't really exist in the US> | Jan 05 15:18 |
| schestowitz | Or the UK | Jan 05 15:19 |
| Omar87 | True. | Jan 05 15:19 |
| schestowitz | It's worse in the UK | Jan 05 15:19 |
| Omar87 | brb | Jan 05 15:19 |
| Omar87 | True. | Jan 05 15:19 |
| schestowitz | Cause of libel law and maybe the new blasphemy 'law' | Jan 05 15:19 |
| Omar87 | brb | Jan 05 15:19 |
| schestowitz | k | Jan 05 15:19 |
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| shreddar | http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/reviews/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=222002863 | Jan 05 15:22 |
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| shreddar | Tony A left a great comment there. | Jan 05 15:22 |
| shreddar | "...I'm really not sure what motivates someone to come up with a program for supporting Microsoft's bottom line. It's not as if the masses are out there clamoring for a stronger Microsoft..." | Jan 05 15:23 |
| schestowitz | That's Information Week. | Jan 05 15:23 |
| schestowitz | They have Microsoft behind them | Jan 05 15:24 |
| schestowitz | See BN's "Credibility Index (List)" | Jan 05 15:24 |
| schestowitz | ALas, DisinfoWeek is getting out of reporting much. One of their "open source" has just left | Jan 05 15:24 |
| schestowitz | Serdar something | Jan 05 15:24 |
| shreddar | Here's another part of the post: | Jan 05 15:24 |
| schestowitz | He was pseudopen source | Jan 05 15:24 |
| shreddar | "What's next on the agenda? Seven ideas to boost profits at IBM? How Oracle can unload Sparc servers and deep-six MySQL? I just don't know what to expect from someone who feels they need to give Microsoft instructions on staying profitable. (Maybe advice for Detroit on how not to build cars?)" | Jan 05 15:24 |
| Omar87 | back | Jan 05 15:25 |
| schestowitz | shreddar: yeah, I know. Their advertisers will be happy though | Jan 05 15:25 |
| schestowitz | They even put strongly pro-MS ads in their 'FOSS' articles | Jan 05 15:25 |
| schestowitz | It's "Old media" and I don't think they print anymore | Jan 05 15:26 |
| schestowitz | No subsc | Jan 05 15:26 |
| schestowitz | They did a lot of anti-Linux in 2007 | Jan 05 15:27 |
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| shreddar | That credibility index might come in handy. How often is it updated? | Jan 05 15:33 |
| schestowitz | Hardly ever | Jan 05 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Since 2007 or 2008. | Jan 05 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Some of these people no longer cover the topic | Jan 05 15:34 |
| shreddar | Oh | Jan 05 15:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Maddog on Brand Power for #GNU #Linux http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Paw-Prints-Writings-of-the-maddog/Penguin-Awareness #tux | Jan 05 15:34 | |
| schestowitz | TBH, there are *far* fewer Linux bashers than back then | Jan 05 15:35 |
| schestowitz | Even Enderle almost hanged the towel | Jan 05 15:35 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Korean #Bank Moves to #GNU #Linux Servers ( #Mainframes ) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/05/ibm_bc_card_mainframe/ | Jan 05 15:37 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Allegedly Enters #Tablet Business with #GNU #Linux http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/04/google_tablet_rumor/ | Jan 05 15:38 | |
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| shreddar | I'm starting to think this is they year of the (affordable) tablet. | Jan 05 15:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Reviews of New #GNU #Linux Browsers http://ur1.ca/j32j http://ur1.ca/j32k | Jan 05 15:40 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Zec : Multiplayer #Game for #GNU #Linux http://ubuntulandforever.blogspot.com/2010/01/zec-is-client-for-empire-real-time.html | Jan 05 15:41 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME Desktop Vision http://www.stormyscorner.com/2010/01/whats-your-vision-of-gnome.html | Jan 05 15:42 | |
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| shreddar | I keep hearing about all of these tablets coming out this year and most of them are going to sport unique GUI's (aka not Windows) and some will even use ARM. | Jan 05 15:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian Follows #RedHat on Some #UNIX Standards http://pthree.org/2010/01/04/does-debian-deviate-from-standards-or-upstream/ | Jan 05 15:44 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu Beginners Manual to be Released http://www.webupd8.org/2010/01/official-ubuntu-beginners-manual-coming.html | Jan 05 15:45 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] it's not the snow, it's the fact that the snow can't melt, so it just builds ice upon uneven ice, with some snow on top to fool you | Jan 05 15:55 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Wheelie bin doubles as public toilet - I can see that being fun for women ;) http://tinyurl.com/yc7of8n | Jan 05 15:58 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android (Linux) Kicks #iPhone (Apple) in the Guts http://ur1.ca/j36p http://ur1.ca/j36q http://ur1.ca/j36r | Jan 05 16:01 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Palm 's #Linux Phones to Lead to Pre Plus http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/WebOS-135-and-Palm-Pre-Plus-and-Pixi-Plus/?kc=rss | Jan 05 16:02 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC News - Facebook blocks social network profile removal service http://tinyurl.com/yacfjyw | Jan 05 16:03 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Linux Box for #Netflix , Linux-powered Handheld Coming http://ur1.ca/j370 http://ur1.ca/j371 | Jan 05 16:04 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ARM -based Sub-notebooks Totally Change the Game for #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/j374 | Jan 05 16:05 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla Makes Big Changes Ahead of Next #Firefox http://ur1.ca/j379 http://ur1.ca/j37a | Jan 05 16:07 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MySQL #Database Under #Oracle Might be OK http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=1160 | Jan 05 16:08 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Drupal #CMS Produces New Literature http://drupal.org/node/665520 #book | Jan 05 16:09 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSFE on #GPL Licensing and #Copyright http://blogs.fsfe.org/adridg/?p=628 | Jan 05 16:10 | |
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| schestowitz | shreddar: yes, tablets may come from Apple soon too | Jan 05 16:12 |
| schestowitz | shreddar: Vista 7 on tablet is power-greedy | Jan 05 16:13 |
| schestowitz | It's not built for it | Jan 05 16:13 |
| schestowitz | Remember that featuire in Vista for second display on laptops? | Jan 05 16:13 |
| schestowitz | Geez, I can't even remember its name right now | Jan 05 16:13 |
| schestowitz | That was *SO* DOA | Jan 05 16:13 |
| shreddar | I want to see those $200 smarttablets Freescale was designing. | Jan 05 16:14 |
| schestowitz | Like Crunchpad, but from a large vendor | Jan 05 16:14 |
| shreddar | As far as Apple tablet "iSlate" is what the rumors say. | Jan 05 16:15 |
| schestowitz | iLate is rubbish | Jan 05 16:15 |
| schestowitz | Too little, too late | Jan 05 16:15 |
| shreddar | That's a crappy name though. | Jan 05 16:15 |
| schestowitz | T0o expensive.. for a logo | Jan 05 16:15 |
| schestowitz | iSlit | Jan 05 16:15 |
| schestowitz | iSlut | Jan 05 16:15 |
| schestowitz | iSit | Jan 05 16:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @thistleweb yes, it's most deadly when it's icy later this week | Jan 05 16:15 | |
| schestowitz | iii | Jan 05 16:15 |
| shreddar | I want someone the come out with the PhantomZone tablet. | Jan 05 16:16 |
| schestowitz | iS*ate (that's an L) | Jan 05 16:16 |
| shreddar | I don't know I think it's only too late to become leader but not to late to become a player. | Jan 05 16:17 |
| shreddar | I still think that ARM based computer should try to cost less than $500. | Jan 05 16:19 |
| shreddar | I myself will not pay anymore than $300 for these new devices. | Jan 05 16:19 |
| Omar87_ | schestowitz: How do I deal with naive people? | Jan 05 16:20 |
| shreddar | Tell them that you're a consultant and recommend they get a clue. | Jan 05 16:21 |
| shreddar | How naive are they? | Jan 05 16:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Censorship in #China Backfires, #Copenhagen Hostage Released http://ur1.ca/j380 http://ur1.ca/j381 | Jan 05 16:21 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple Sued for #Patent Infringement Again http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/04/nokia_sues_apple_again/ | Jan 05 16:25 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 'Ultimate' Comparison of #GNU #Linux Distributions for Desktop http://ur1.ca/j38k | Jan 05 16:26 | |
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| Ender2070 | why does everyone ignore fedora | Jan 05 16:27 |
| Ender2070 | thats hardly "ultimate" | Jan 05 16:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Samsung Puts #Linux on Sub-notebooks http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Samsung-N210-N220-N150-and-NB30/?kc=rss #ballnux | Jan 05 16:28 | |
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| schestowitz | I put it in scare quotes | Jan 05 16:31 |
| schestowitz | Omar87_: give them something to watch, I guess. THe problem is, most of them are lazy and they are consumers in the sense that they consume PR BS by sitting back and watching commercial nonsense that programs their brains | Jan 05 16:32 |
| Ender2070 | "Remember January 30, 2007? With a troupe dancing in front of the Taj Mahal, Microsoft Corporation released Windows Vista worldwide on that day. The catch line for the OS? “The Wow Starts Now!”. Back then, the company was justified in saying so. But not any more. Enter openSUSE 11.2 and you are sure to get blown away! Let’s see what has been done…" | Jan 05 16:33 |
| Ender2070 | sounds pro microvell | Jan 05 16:33 |
| Omar87_ | shreddar, schestowitzall their dreams are based on so damn materialistic BS, like money, wealth, luxury, "working at Microsoft", new fancy car, new fancy house.. blah blah blah.. | Jan 05 16:34 |
| Omar87_ | brb | Jan 05 16:34 |
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| Omar87_ | back | Jan 05 16:44 |
| Omar87_ | Ya know? | Jan 05 16:44 |
| Omar87_ | So, basically, all they think of is that. | Jan 05 16:44 |
| Omar87_ | "Microsoft!!!!" | Jan 05 16:45 |
| shreddar | Aside from the "working at Microsoft part I'm having trouble seeing any problem with it. | Jan 05 16:45 |
| Omar87_ | To them: Microsoft >= Paradise. | Jan 05 16:45 |
| Omar87_ | shreddar: the problem is that capitalism, materialism and lust for money, luxury, consumption and wealth are the main causes for all this agony we are living in. | Jan 05 16:47 |
| Omar87_ | This is the main reason why we find millions of men, women and children dying and starving to death in the world. | Jan 05 16:48 |
| shreddar | Lust for money is certainly a problem but I don't believe it's the main cause of agony of the world. | Jan 05 16:52 |
| Omar87_ | Though, I'm not saying you should stop making money to feed yourself and you family. But I'm just saying: "Don't base your whole life on it." | Jan 05 16:52 |
| Omar87_ | shreddar: then how do you explain the criminal attitude of those large corporations (amongst which is M$)? | Jan 05 16:52 |
| Omar87_ | shreddar: How do you explain those wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? | Jan 05 16:53 |
| shreddar | I think reasons behind those things are more complicated that and that those aren't the only examples of agony in this world. | Jan 05 16:55 |
| shreddar | There is certainly fear and selfishness seems to be part of this too. | Jan 05 16:57 |
| Omar87_ | shreddar: true. | Jan 05 16:57 |
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| shreddar | Love of Luxury and wealth and a nice new car aren't inherently bad. | Jan 05 16:59 |
| shreddar | and It's not always materials that motivate people to destructive means. | Jan 05 17:04 |
| shreddar | The reasons those people are wanting those materials may still be destructive though. | Jan 05 17:07 |
| shreddar | You might get them to look at their real motives and goals. Show them how well Microsoft is doing. Tell them about the layoffs. Read them the financial reports. | Jan 05 17:10 |
| shreddar | Some of them might want to show they are somebody. Be seem by the world as successful. Maybe feel like they are worth something. | Jan 05 17:12 |
| shreddar | I'm describing nearly everyone on the planet here. | Jan 05 17:14 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: new WordPress patch is out.... | Jan 05 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Omar87_: yes | Jan 05 17:18 |
| trmanco | yes I know | Jan 05 17:18 |
| Omar87_ | schestowitz: excuse me? | Jan 05 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Abu Ali | Jan 05 17:19 |
| schestowitz | I just caught up | Jan 05 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Yes, Microsoft represents greed | Jan 05 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Money above ethics | Jan 05 17:19 |
| Omar87_ | Abu Ali?? :D | Jan 05 17:19 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I'll need to update from 2.8 now | Jan 05 17:20 |
| Omar87_ | schestowitz: who's Abu Ali? | Jan 05 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....... there's this zombie POS hitting the BN server periodically for like a week | Jan 05 17:22 |
| schestowitz | I can't think of an automated way to stop this WIndows menace | Jan 05 17:22 |
| schestowitz | mclt3b-fwd-proxy.saic.com. | Jan 05 17:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.saic.com/ | Jan 05 17:23 |
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| schestowitz | Another comes from proxy.etat.lu | Jan 05 17:24 |
| schestowitz | WIndows zombies or something | Jan 05 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Arghhhhhhhhhh... 152.120.255.251 | Jan 05 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Stinkin zombie | Jan 05 17:30 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bartz Gives #Microsoft Competitor ( #Zimbra ) to Former Microsoft Employees http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/05/carol-bartz-throws-zimbra/ | Jan 05 17:41 | |
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| rnb | from saic, huh? | Jan 05 17:41 |
| rnb | there isnt much difference between saic and the dod | Jan 05 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Just upgraded the site | Jan 05 17:49 |
| schestowitz | If you see anything funny, holler | Jan 05 17:50 |
| schestowitz | rnb: are they related? | Jan 05 17:50 |
| schestowitz | rnb: I can give more IPs | Jan 05 17:50 |
| schestowitz | The thing is, they are not from the same domain/ISP | Jan 05 17:50 |
| schestowitz | SO I can't make a complaint about those banstards who knock BN out of commission several times per day | Jan 05 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: can you sense any visible difference in the new version? | Jan 05 18:15 |
| trmanco | no | Jan 05 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Anything worth playing with? I watched a feature list before (underwhelmed) | Jan 05 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they could use more competition from Drupal | Jan 05 18:15 |
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| schestowitz | I remember in 2006 when 'we' wanted to copy the Drupal uploader | Jan 05 18:15 |
| schestowitz | At the time it was quite primitive in WP without a files manages | Jan 05 18:16 |
| schestowitz | *ger | Jan 05 18:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | Jan 05 18:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | for miotd, I dont use wp for uploading at all | Jan 05 18:19 |
| Ender2070 | schestowitz - have you noticed this pattern? an article might compare a few distros. the ones that say opensuse is the best among them usually completely ignore redhat | Jan 05 18:19 |
| Ender2070 | novell themselves did something similar | Jan 05 18:24 |
| Ender2070 | some report, showed them as the largest contributor or something but they were excluding redhat/fedora | Jan 05 18:25 |
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| zoobab | at fosdem some speaker asked the audience who was using what | Jan 05 18:32 |
| zoobab | ubuntu largely in front | Jan 05 18:32 |
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| zoobab | fedora and opensuse were nowhere | Jan 05 18:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] OSS Watch Pretends That #Microsoft ’s Attacks on #FreeSoftware Do Not Exist http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/05/oss-watch-whitewash/ | Jan 05 18:34 | |
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| amarsh04 | Linuxtoday just updated their sticky page http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/2009061502835OSCYLF to include their follow-up interview (from 2002) of Dr. Edgar David Villanueva Nuñez | Jan 05 19:04 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patent Curses , Patent Fallacies, #Tax Loopholes http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/05/patents-uglier-sides-2010/ | Jan 05 19:09 | |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: thanks for the info above (see latest post) | Jan 05 19:10 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: I see BN is there too | Jan 05 19:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] THE INCONTINENT CAT HAS PEED ON THE COUCH AGAIN AAAAAAAAAA vet tomorrow! | Jan 05 19:11 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hmmmmm... #WordPress 2.9 feels like the update that wasn't. I see not much added value. | Jan 05 19:12 | |
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| schestowitz | Not clear is this one uses Linux: http://singularityhub.com/2010/01/04/kurzweil-takes-on-kindle-with-new-e-reader-platform-blio/ | Jan 05 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | Fedora has just broken a world record | Jan 05 19:17 |
| schestowitz | http://bellard.org/pi/pi2700e9/announce.html | Jan 05 19:17 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz WP 2.9 had severe bugs, 2.9.1 is a "brown bag" (i.e. previous sucked) release http://is.gd/5N3SD everyone should upgrade! | Jan 05 19:17 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard I never update o x.0 releases cause there is no security-related urgency to do so and bugs may exist | Jan 05 19:19 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is dumping Vista 7 again | Jan 05 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Considerable dicounts because people won't move from XP/Linux/whatever | Jan 05 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they can just make Windows free of charge and start thinking how the hell to survive | Jan 05 19:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Special trains introduced for the wrong type of snow http://newstechnica.com/?p=1129 | Jan 05 19:23 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Dual-Screen E-Reader http://ur1.ca/j3nq Any Linux on this one? Does anyone know? | Jan 05 19:24 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard bad link | Jan 05 19:24 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz try now | Jan 05 19:27 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Rory Cellan-Jones flirts with Microsoft Scoble. What a surprise!! Not. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/rorycellanjones/ | Jan 05 19:28 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard nice. Picture of Vista launch party. | Jan 05 19:29 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz sorry, try this link! NewsTechnica: Special trains introduced for the wrong type of snow http://is.gd/5N4tI | Jan 05 19:29 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Special trains introduced for the wrong type of snow http://is.gd/5N4tI | Jan 05 19:29 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mr Bean replaces Spanish PM on EU presidency site http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8440554.stm They do look similar | Jan 05 19:30 | |
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| schestowitz | "Android demand skyrockets" http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1567421/android-demand-skyrockets Is the future of "Linux" DRM and part free, part blobs? I told Linus about it, he doesn't mind... | Jan 05 19:33 |
| MinceR | he doesn't seem to care about freedom, does he? | Jan 05 19:34 |
| schestowitz | http://edition.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/personal/01/04/dating.site.overweight/index.html | Jan 05 19:36 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: maybe he will one day | Jan 05 19:36 |
| schestowitz | His dad cared | Jan 05 19:37 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nils_Torvalds | Jan 05 19:37 |
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| schestowitz | "In 2007 Torvalds was elected to the post of the third vice chairperson of the Swedish People's Party.[3] In 2008, he was elected in Helsinki City Council for term 2009–2012.[4] Torvalds was a candidate for European Parliament election in 2009 on the Swedish People's Party list. He got 14,044 votes and was not allocated a seat.[5]" | Jan 05 19:38 |
| schestowitz | His dad's site: http://www.nilstorvalds.fi/intro/ | Jan 05 19:38 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] For those who are interested, Linus Torvalds' dad is now in Helsinki City Council http://www.nilstorvalds.fi/intro/ | Jan 05 19:40 | |
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| schestowitz | It all happened in recent years | Jan 05 19:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] popey snowcam! http://bit.ly/8mm43m #uksnow GU14 6/10 #fb | Jan 05 19:44 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @popey you moved to the pole, eh? | Jan 05 19:48 | |
| schestowitz | vhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/05/dune/ | Jan 05 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/05/windows_mobe_bug/ | Jan 05 19:52 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: you got one, no? | Jan 05 19:52 |
| MinceR | the bug doesn't affect mine | Jan 05 19:54 |
| MinceR | and i don't really get it, the news i've read seemed to say that the bug is in the telco's equipment, putting wrong dates onto messages -- maybe wm is the only mobile os that takes those timestamps seriously? | Jan 05 19:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/05/apple_quattro/ | Jan 05 19:58 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Webcam is a Logitech Quickcam Pro 9000 by the way.Attached to a little Viglen box running Ubuntu. Only 8W of power! http://bit.ly/8mm43m | Jan 05 19:58 | |
| schestowitz | This is silly given the huge number of unnamed and unfound "planets" out there: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/05/nasa_kepler_5_new_exoplanets/ | Jan 05 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | We could name a star after each living person that ever lived on Earth... or at least a planet for each | Jan 05 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Ouch. "Opera's CEO and co-founder, Jon von Tetzchner, has stepped down from his role at the company." | Jan 05 20:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/05/opera_ceo/ | Jan 05 20:00 |
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| schestowitz | What would Lie say? | Jan 05 20:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Staggered that the wine my mum made from grapes grown in our garden is actually pretty good! | Jan 05 20:03 | |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Jan 05 20:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/05/facebook_deleting/ | Jan 05 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/05/britains-police-desc.html | Jan 05 20:10 |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell | Jan 05 20:19 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Jan 05 20:19 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz at Sun Nov 29 20:53:52 2009 | Jan 05 20:19 | |
| -ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channel | Jan 05 20:19 | |
| DaemonFC | ewww, Tetris | Jan 05 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | eww anything that Alexey Pajitnov had anything to do with for that matter | Jan 05 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | hmm, I may have to retask some of my MP3 player's SD card | Jan 05 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | Opera alone takes a third of the internal storage | Jan 05 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Jan 05 19:46:00 <DaemonFC>The on screen Wii keyboard is good target practice | Jan 05 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Jan 05 19:46:19 <DaemonFC>by the time I finish setting it up, those Goomba's are goin' down to Chinatown | Jan 05 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Jan 05 19:46:21 <DaemonFC>:P | Jan 05 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Jan 05 19:46:42 <DaemonFC>omg | Jan 05 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Jan 05 19:46:46 <DaemonFC>World of Goo!!!! | Jan 05 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | yikes | Jan 05 20:22 |
| schestowitz | It looks like good gameplay | Jan 05 20:22 |
| schestowitz | It's not a "name your price" thing | Jan 05 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | World of Goo is on pretty much everything now | Jan 05 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | including Linux | Jan 05 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder how many blocks I free up by deleting those stupid introductory channels | Jan 05 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 05 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | and why do they still say "blocks" when they could just measure it in standard terms? | Jan 05 20:24 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/18255508@schestowitz Maybe I should! I hear Mark Shuttleworth got inspiration for Ubuntu on the boat ride to Antarctica! | Jan 05 20:26 |
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| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Tetris is great! | Jan 05 20:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/01/vatican_admits.html | Jan 05 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | I spent some hundreds of hours on tetris | Jan 05 20:28 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I guess it's the computer game I have played the most, with a few versions. | Jan 05 20:29 |
| sebsebseb | They guy who started Tetris could have become pretty rich from it, if he wasn't Russian, or something like that. I remember I saw something on TV about Tetris once. | Jan 05 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | it's limited to Flash 7 cause of Adobe | Jan 05 20:31 |
| sebsebseb | if he was living in USA for example, and was American, he would have maybe become quite rich from it. | Jan 05 20:31 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: You mean online versions of Tetris? | Jan 05 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | same problem you have on FreeBSD, you have to run the Linux version of your browser with the Linux plugin for Flash | Jan 05 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | no, Internet Channel | Jan 05 20:32 |
| sebsebseb | ah yes I read something about that, how BSD, has to do Flash in Linux emulation mode. | Jan 05 20:32 |
| sebsebseb | Internet Channel? Uhmm your on about the WII? | Jan 05 20:32 |
| sebsebseb | I guess not | Jan 05 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Wii | Jan 05 20:33 |
| sebsebseb | why did I put I guess not | Jan 05 20:33 |
| sebsebseb | well WII is propritary | Jan 05 20:33 |
| sebsebseb | just like Xbox and PS3 and all of that are | Jan 05 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | so? | Jan 05 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | it's not Opera or Nintendo's fault | Jan 05 20:33 |
| sebsebseb | I only joined here a while ago, so not sure why your on about WII | Jan 05 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | FreeBSD is FOSS and can't go past Flash 7 because Flash is non-free and it's out of their hands | Jan 05 20:34 |
| sebsebseb | a little while ago | Jan 05 20:34 |
| sebsebseb | and all the games for the WII are propritary? | Jan 05 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | well, yeah | Jan 05 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | they'd kind of have to be to run a company and make money | Jan 05 20:35 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah, and companies aren't really our freinds | Jan 05 20:35 |
| sebsebseb | friends | Jan 05 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | not even the open source companies really? ,but they are more so than the propritary software companies | Jan 05 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | I saw two Windows 7 adverts recently, three actsaully hmm | Jan 05 20:37 |
| sebsebseb | last.fm is advertising it to the UK with a banner :( or was, not looked recently | Jan 05 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | open source really wouldn't work for games | Jan 05 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | unless you're just giving them away | Jan 05 20:37 |
| sebsebseb | and the other two adverts were rather similar, except one was for Sony and the other was for HP. | Jan 05 20:37 |
| sebsebseb | anyway WII, PS3, Xbox 360, Windows 7, Mac, etc, it's what I call "consumer shit" | Jan 05 20:38 |
| sebsebseb | stuff that we don't actsaully need, and that is about locking us in and sucking money out of us | Jan 05 20:39 |
| sebsebseb | well sometimes people actsaully need Windows or Mac OS X, but most computer users don't for their computer usage | Jan 05 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | do you actually "need" anything but shelter, food and clothes? | Jan 05 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | if you choose to spend your money on other things, are you evil? | Jan 05 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | I know some would say yes | Jan 05 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | some get preachy about the environment while at the same time, having 1-12 kids that will consume billions of dollars of resources during their lives | Jan 05 20:40 |
| sebsebseb | consumerism means you can spend your money on loads of stuff, that you don't really need, and from companies who have actsaully done some pretty bad things some of them | Jan 05 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | but the good thing about kids is that they are biodegradable | Jan 05 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | so I will give them that point | Jan 05 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | (joke stolen from Foamy) | Jan 05 20:41 |
| sebsebseb | consumerism is also about trying to lock people in to a companies product, however with food and clothes and such it's not that bad really? ,but with computing when it comes to software, oh it is | Jan 05 20:42 |
| sebsebseb | only the propritary software companies advertising on TV | Jan 05 20:42 |
| sebsebseb | would love to see open source companies doing that | Jan 05 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | are you a subsistence farmer? | Jan 05 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | you must be or you'd be a hypocrite to lecture me | Jan 05 20:43 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: uhmm | Jan 05 20:43 |
| sebsebseb | ok I am not lecturing | Jan 05 20:43 |
| sebsebseb | I am just saying | Jan 05 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | I would think that someone of your moral stature would have a spindle too | Jan 05 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | so you can sheer your own sheep and make clothing | Jan 05 20:44 |
| sebsebseb | seems I might have been misunderstand as well, but I don't really care | Jan 05 20:44 |
| sebsebseb | misunderstood | Jan 05 20:44 |
| sebsebseb | I am a bit annoyed at seeing computer adverts, that are aimed at people who hardly know anything about them. | Jan 05 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | advertisements are generally designed to inform people who don't know anything about a product | Jan 05 20:46 |
| MinceR | tetris is boring | Jan 05 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | at least enough to want to buy it without knowing why they want it | Jan 05 20:46 |
| MinceR | and pajitnov is an idiot | Jan 05 20:46 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: exactly adverts are what you said. They don't educate someone a bit about the product the real truths, and then make them think if they want it or not. | Jan 05 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAhGy4-EQ7M | Jan 05 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | the goal of an advertisement is to only give you the positive aspect of any product | Jan 05 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | why would they pay to air the truth that it might blow up | Jan 05 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | (XBOX 360) | Jan 05 20:49 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: well yeah exactly what you said, hence why the Windows 7 adverts and so on, are a load of rubbish really. | Jan 05 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | Do I want this or need it? If Yes, why. What is my budget this month. How does it fit in to that? | Jan 05 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | going through that will probably cost them most of their sales | Jan 05 20:51 |
| sebsebseb | not sure why at least two of you here are anti Tetris, but that was one of the first computer games, and it's :) | Jan 05 20:51 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: DaemonFC | Jan 05 20:52 |
| MinceR | it was fun for a few minutes or hours | Jan 05 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | cause it's not fun and there's no way to actually win | Jan 05 20:52 |
| MinceR | but that was a long time ago | Jan 05 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | therefore, it's a torture device, not a game | Jan 05 20:53 |
| MinceR | and it's probably far from the first computer games | Jan 05 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | Tetris is the pet rock of computer games | Jan 05 20:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] Not only does modern vinegar contain acetic acid but bottled water is loaded with dihydrogen monoxide! Nothing is safe anymore! | Jan 05 20:54 | |
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| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: yeah and well when it comes to software that's the difference between proprietary and opensource/freesoftware, with proprietary it's about tricking people in to buying it, with opensource/freesoftware it's about being honest to people, about the bugs and so on. Also the first type is being sold for money, and all that, the second type is about providing people with good software, and it's not a big deal if a lot of people | Jan 05 20:55 |
| sebsebseb | aren't using it. However a lot of us opensource/freesoftware people want for example Ubuntu to gain about 10% of the market. | Jan 05 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | open source tends to be one or two guys that got bored one day and wrote something that met their needs | Jan 05 20:55 |
| sebsebseb | well freeware is also proprietary software, but I meant stuff such as most of Microsoft's and Adobe's programs. | Jan 05 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | if it never has a feature you want, then "at least it was free" | Jan 05 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | there's a few big FOSS projects out of thousands | Jan 05 20:56 |
| sebsebseb | free as in price, or freedom? | Jan 05 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | freedom to occupy your hard drive with all the features you want missing? :D | Jan 05 20:57 |
| MinceR | GNU/Linux gaining market share means that all those companies led by stupid suits will be unable to use market share as an excuse not to support it | Jan 05 20:57 |
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| MinceR | DaemonFC: there are several FLOSS projects offering features its proprietary competitors don't have | Jan 05 20:57 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: nobody here buys your anti-FLOSS FUD | Jan 05 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | sometimes I use a FOSS program that is inferior just because it's free or not using DRM | Jan 05 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't mean I like it | Jan 05 20:58 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: oh yeah your that Windows user I think | Jan 05 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | proprietary software is broken intentionally, FOSS is broken unintentionally | Jan 05 20:58 |
| sebsebseb | someone that comes here, and uses Windows most of the time yeah, I think that's you DaemonFC ? | Jan 05 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | there's at least no malice with FOSS, I agree | Jan 05 20:59 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: he's the ex-MVP who doesn't know what he wants | Jan 05 20:59 |
| MinceR | iirc | Jan 05 20:59 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: MVP? Microsoft something? | Jan 05 20:59 |
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| MinceR | indeed | Jan 05 21:00 |
| sebsebseb | to begin with quite a bit of commercial stuff for Desktop Linux I was told | Jan 05 21:01 |
| sebsebseb | ,but then loads of good open source alternatives came | Jan 05 21:01 |
| sebsebseb | also at one stage Microsoft even did a distro | Jan 05 21:01 |
| sebsebseb | now days Steve Ballmer is worried about Ubuntu and Open Office, gaining much more market share | Jan 05 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | mostly Mac, but any competitor is one too many | Jan 05 21:02 |
| sebsebseb | from what I have read | Jan 05 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | when you're a company | Jan 05 21:02 |
| MinceR | dunno about that, but they do control some distros | Jan 05 21:02 |
| MinceR | even if some editions of Microsoft Linux have died already | Jan 05 21:03 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Microsoft control some distros? | Jan 05 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | they're more worried about RHEL than most of the others | Jan 05 21:03 |
| MinceR | *suse, turbolinux, xandros, linspire (already dead) | Jan 05 21:03 |
| sebsebseb | to some extent Micrsooft control Novell | Jan 05 21:03 |
| sebsebseb | I guess | Jan 05 21:03 |
| MinceR | to some extent, yes :> | Jan 05 21:03 |
| sebsebseb | they control Xandros what? also Linspire got bought out by Xandros. oh yeah and they were selling EEPC some where last year or something like this, then the next day they are like telling people not to buy it with Linux. | Jan 05 21:05 |
| sebsebseb | last year some time or maybe the year before hmm | Jan 05 21:05 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Microsoft are only so popular still today, because most computer users don't know about the choices | Jan 05 21:05 |
| sebsebseb | also how most software that many people want to use runs on Windows | Jan 05 21:06 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yes indeed once Ubuntu etc has like 10% market share, we will get less of this excuse, distro name goes here, does not have enough market share, so we don't support it. | Jan 05 21:06 |
| MinceR | not only because of that, but also because of the underhanded OEM deals | Jan 05 21:07 |
| sebsebseb | 10% market share would be probably better split up between a few popular distros, than only one distro having it all. With each distro having about the same amount as well. | Jan 05 21:07 |
| MinceR | diversity is good | Jan 05 21:08 |
| sebsebseb | choice is good | Jan 05 21:08 |
| sebsebseb | and enough people being given the choice, and taking that choice, when it comes to browsers and OS's and office suites etc. well the more competition their will be, and so programs will start to improve a lot. | Jan 05 21:09 |
| sebsebseb | take this for example, Mozilla have an internal joke "Internet Explorer 7 the best browser we ever made" | Jan 05 21:10 |
| sebsebseb | their wasn't going to be an IE7 for XP originalley | Jan 05 21:10 |
| MinceR | they don't think their own browser is good? | Jan 05 21:11 |
| sebsebseb | ,but then Firefox started gaining quite a bit of market share, and I guess Microsoft felt slightly threatened | Jan 05 21:11 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: of course they do, read what I just put | Jan 05 21:11 |
| MinceR | i mean that it sucks less than IE | Jan 05 21:11 |
| sebsebseb | I guess they mane since market share | Jan 05 21:12 |
| sebsebseb | mean/meant | Jan 05 21:12 |
| sebsebseb | this was something I read by the way some article | Jan 05 21:12 |
| sebsebseb | now days Friefox has more market share than IE 7 :) | Jan 05 21:12 |
| sebsebseb | or was that IE 8 or both hmm | Jan 05 21:12 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: also IE 6 is horrible for people that make websites properly following web standards | Jan 05 21:14 |
| MinceR | it was ff 3.5 having more than any ie _version_ | Jan 05 21:14 |
| MinceR | any version of ie is horrible in that way | Jan 05 21:15 |
| MinceR | m$ doesn't even follow their own standards (see ooxml for that) | Jan 05 21:15 |
| sebsebseb | ah yes it was of any version, but with more than one version IE still has most of that market share | Jan 05 21:15 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: there was something about ooxml and something they did, and some Canadian company isn't happy | Jan 05 21:16 |
| sebsebseb | they brake a patent or something Microsoft did | Jan 05 21:16 |
| MinceR | that's another issue | Jan 05 21:16 |
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| rnb | microsoft's biggest concern is emerging markets | Jan 05 21:17 |
| rnb | and that's one of the most useful fronts in the free software war | Jan 05 21:17 |
| rnb | since many of those countries are officially backing free software and mandating its use | Jan 05 21:17 |
| rnb | as those markets mature, microsoft could see its share plummet | Jan 05 21:18 |
| rnb | or, rather, microsoft -is- seeings its share decline as those markets mature | Jan 05 21:19 |
| sebsebseb | sure plus polotical reasons etc | Jan 05 21:19 |
| sebsebseb | not all counteries are that keen on American companies | Jan 05 21:20 |
| sebsebseb | rnb: also something about how Microsoft can't sell their software to Iran, they were talking about that here the other day | Jan 05 21:22 |
| MinceR | that's due to usian law though | Jan 05 21:23 |
| sebsebseb | opensource/freesoftware fits in to it all really, capitalism/consumerism, communism, socialism, and also people who live in poverty that have a computer can afford it, because the price tag is FREE | Jan 05 21:25 |
| sebsebseb | and a countrey could edit it, and make special versions for their countrey etc | Jan 05 21:25 |
| sebsebseb | so those are other advantages it has | Jan 05 21:26 |
| MinceR | they can also audit (and if necessary, harden it) for purposes of national security | Jan 05 21:26 |
| ThistleWeb | there's always a difference between the people of a country, and the buisness / political / royal elite who make the decisions the people have to live by | Jan 05 21:26 |
| MinceR | while m$ crap is full of backdoors (some for usian authorities) and security holes | Jan 05 21:27 |
| ThistleWeb | when the elite can get deals enriching themsleves even further, they tend to do so, even if it's with US money | Jan 05 21:27 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: the elite hmm | Jan 05 21:28 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: your not one of these people who think there is a group of people at the very top that control it all, are you? | Jan 05 21:28 |
| schestowitz | [21:19] <rnb> or, rather, microsoft -is- seeings its share decline as those markets mature | Jan 05 21:29 |
| ThistleWeb | in a lot of cases, the people have no say in the matter, assuming they want to remain free of pain | Jan 05 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Yes, it pretends there's no effect by funding US-only (ish) lies like Net Applications | Jan 05 21:29 |
| ThistleWeb | there's always groups of people at the top | Jan 05 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Illusions can help them stifle adoption based on misconception | Jan 05 21:29 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: well some think there is a group at the very top, that control the goverments and companies etc | Jan 05 21:30 |
| MinceR | i think the debate is only about how many groups are on the top earthwide and who are they | Jan 05 21:30 |
| schestowitz | No, they *are* companies | Jan 05 21:30 |
| schestowitz | it's no secret either. They are public figures | Jan 05 21:30 |
| ThistleWeb | those in the boardrooms of corps, politicians in private meetings with business partners, royalty etc | Jan 05 21:30 |
| ThistleWeb | I dont believe there's one master group, I do think there are a lot of groups all motivated by greed to carve out their own empires | Jan 05 21:31 |
| ThistleWeb | they see each other as ways to that goal | Jan 05 21:31 |
| ThistleWeb | build your reputation up so you can get awarded a royal contract by being conected and therefor able to get lunch with the king | Jan 05 21:32 |
| ThistleWeb | while your competition are still being given the runaround by minro buerocrats, the contract is signed and sealed | Jan 05 21:32 |
| ThistleWeb | minor* | Jan 05 21:32 |
| ThistleWeb | all of these groups worship money | Jan 05 21:33 |
| ThistleWeb | they see others with more money as groupd to ally with if their aims can be furthered, or treated as an enemy if they are a threat | Jan 05 21:34 |
| ThistleWeb | money has no nationality, US money is as good as Saudi money | Jan 05 21:34 |
| sebsebseb | money is global yeah | Jan 05 21:34 |
| ThistleWeb | greed is not a western exclusive | Jan 05 21:34 |
| sebsebseb | money causes problems in the world to, but not much we can do about it really? | Jan 05 21:35 |
| ThistleWeb | in some cultures, the connections of money can be flaunted, in others it needs to be more hidden | Jan 05 21:36 |
| rnb | sebsebseb: socialist revolution | Jan 05 21:36 |
| sebsebseb | rnb: yeah some think socialism would be really good etc, but I am not actsaully sure what these kind of words properly mean | Jan 05 21:36 |
| sebsebseb | plus words can have different meanings | Jan 05 21:37 |
| sebsebseb | and certain things can be something different, depending on where it is | Jan 05 21:37 |
| rnb | sebsebseb: the 21st-century socialist revolution is latin america is on-going and has at least 10 years or so of definition | Jan 05 21:37 |
| MinceR | afaik socialism is the eastern kind of dictatorship | Jan 05 21:37 |
| rnb | sebsebseb: and it includes heavy reliance on free software | Jan 05 21:37 |
| MinceR | where a tiny elite has absolute power, while the rest of the people are slaves who aren't allowed to own anything | Jan 05 21:38 |
| rnb | s/is latin america/in latin america/ | Jan 05 21:38 |
| ThistleWeb | the problem with every type of govt idea so far, is you have history as examples to show it in progress.....all of whom have had corrupt bastards are the top subverting it to their own aims | Jan 05 21:38 |
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| ThistleWeb | the people at the top dont live by the same rules as they subject their people to | Jan 05 21:39 |
| rnb | ThistleWeb: that's going to be true anytime there is a major power imbalance but at least socialism sets out to reverse those wrongs | Jan 05 21:40 |
| sebsebseb | well all of these systems people are a slave really, in some way or the other | Jan 05 21:40 |
| ThistleWeb | every idea of govt has it's flaws, it's also got plenty of really badly corrupted versions of those ideas | Jan 05 21:40 |
| MinceR | socialism claims it will lead to communism and reverse those wrongs | Jan 05 21:40 |
| MinceR | it doesn't | Jan 05 21:40 |
| rnb | ThistleWeb: whereas capitalist societies openly embrace that model and seek to further it all over the world | Jan 05 21:40 |
| MinceR | it can't possibly to do so | Jan 05 21:40 |
| MinceR | it's only propaganda to appease the slaves | Jan 05 21:40 |
| ThistleWeb | there's not been any decent implementation of capitalism either | Jan 05 21:41 |
| MinceR | what would be a decent implementation of capitalism like? | Jan 05 21:41 |
| ThistleWeb | for me, no system works for everything under it | Jan 05 21:41 |
| rnb | i think the history of latin american socialism is a history of a quality form of government, intended to eventually do away with government altogether | Jan 05 21:41 |
| MinceR | the russians said that too, afaik | Jan 05 21:41 |
| MinceR | and so did the chinese | Jan 05 21:42 |
| ThistleWeb | there needs to be a blend to protect some stuff, while letting others flourish or fail | Jan 05 21:42 |
| MinceR | ThistleWeb: what for? | Jan 05 21:42 |
| ThistleWeb | capitalism is based on the concept that greed will motivate to get the best for the money | Jan 05 21:42 |
| ThistleWeb | which means upping the selling price and lowering costs to workers and suppliers | Jan 05 21:43 |
| sebsebseb | capitalism as far as I know is about power and making money, it's not about people working together as a team to do interesting things, with them sharing the real truths about what they have done to other people, so they can also benefit from it | Jan 05 21:43 |
| ThistleWeb | to get more of the middle bit (the profit) for yourself | Jan 05 21:43 |
| rnb | sebsebseb: agreed | Jan 05 21:43 |
| ThistleWeb | it's also based on the idea that the consumer will keep it in check by voting with their wallets if a service is not value for money | Jan 05 21:44 |
| sebsebseb | oh and this consumerism things seems to go with all of those systems, but why? ,because people are lazy, and just want it it all? | Jan 05 21:44 |
| ThistleWeb | which means the consumer must first be able to judge that form themselves, and have a cjoice to move | Jan 05 21:44 |
| sebsebseb | in the old days, people used to hunt, and grow their own food a lot etc. yes we have moved on since then, but it's not all been good really. | Jan 05 21:44 |
| ThistleWeb | the system we have now, has many large corps in monopoly positions, providing essensial services so people cant move, as well as hiding the details behind lots of small text that we cant easily compare to see if we are getting value for money | Jan 05 21:45 |
| ThistleWeb | public services should not be run exclusively by a capitalist system | Jan 05 21:46 |
| ThistleWeb | fine, have them as a premium option if people see extra value in them | Jan 05 21:47 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: the Soviets just exploited it to gain power | Jan 05 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Socialism!=communism | Jan 05 21:47 |
| sebsebseb | oh and capitalistic society goverments, and their promises on how they will change this and that, if they are in power, but really none of them, will improve society as a whole. ,because old ways that are holding us back, will stay | Jan 05 21:47 |
| MinceR | i know | Jan 05 21:47 |
| MinceR | iirc the propaganda was that socialism will naturally lead to communism | Jan 05 21:47 |
| MinceR | which of course it can't do | Jan 05 21:47 |
| schestowitz | And Stalin was not a Marxist, he was a mass-murdering paranoid | Jan 05 21:47 |
| sebsebseb | and they want everyone that can to work, but their aren't enough jobs for everyone. and the young are at a disadvantage, because they have to compete for jobs with those that are older and more experienced | Jan 05 21:48 |
| ThistleWeb | live by the sword, die by the sword....so if a company run for profit fails and collapses, so be it | Jan 05 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Beaten by his dad as a kid. | Jan 05 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | Even Lenin worried about Stalin, but failed to warn about it just before he died | Jan 05 21:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.india-server.com/mobiles/features/motorola-motorokr-e6-151.html "The phone mounts a laggy Linux based operating system that’s not worthy of the smartphone tag." | Jan 05 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Meh. | Jan 05 21:48 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: India and Sweden are socialist nations | Jan 05 21:48 |
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| MinceR | last time i checked, they weren't | Jan 05 21:49 |
| ThistleWeb | like any of these systems, the devil is in the detail | Jan 05 21:49 |
| ThistleWeb | as well as the intent | Jan 05 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Sweden is one of the more advanced societies when it comes to theism (low), economics, manner, etc. | Jan 05 21:49 |
| rnb | schestowitz: eh? neither of those countries are socialist | Jan 05 21:49 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: hmm you think the devil controls it all really? | Jan 05 21:49 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Jan 05 21:49 |
| rnb | kerala is a state in india and it has consistently elected the communist party into power for that state | Jan 05 21:49 |
| MinceR | sweden is not even a constitutional state, it's northern balkan | Jan 05 21:49 |
| rnb | but, still, india as a whole is a capitalist country | Jan 05 21:50 |
| schestowitz | http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_Sweden_a_Socialist_country | Jan 05 21:50 |
| MinceR | see their gross ignorance of their own law in the TPB case | Jan 05 21:50 |
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| ThistleWeb | every system we've seen, past and present, has the top elite convincing the public it's something it's not | Jan 05 21:50 |
| oiaohm | Zimbra one I am not sure if we should be worried about vmware having it or not. schestowitz Its all what department of vmware it ends up under. If it ends up in the same department as Galuim3d we have nothing to worry about. | Jan 05 21:50 |
| ThistleWeb | because they're building a system that they can get rich from | Jan 05 21:50 |
| schestowitz | rnb: yes, the banksters from the US 'taught' India how to run the economy | Jan 05 21:50 |
| schestowitz | It was hysterical | Jan 05 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Let me find a video about it.. | Jan 05 21:50 |
| ThistleWeb | they dont want the plebs to find out how much they're being shafted | Jan 05 21:51 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I figured that.. what about SpringSource? | Jan 05 21:51 |
| rnb | schestowitz: india suffered the same IMF/World Bank fate as almost all other post-colonial countries | Jan 05 21:51 |
| rnb | ThistleWeb: thats not true about the latin american socialist systems | Jan 05 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Oh, here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TSqsmgNGoI :-D | Jan 05 21:51 |
| sebsebseb | a lot of illegal imigrants from Africa are going to South America now | Jan 05 21:52 |
| sebsebseb | since they can't just get into Europe anymore | Jan 05 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | payback's a bitch | Jan 05 21:52 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you're payback? :-) | Jan 05 21:52 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 05 21:52 |
| ThistleWeb | rnb: really? Most of the latin american systems I see involve the leaders doing deals with foreign companys to make the politicians rich, while the population get removed from land etc | Jan 05 21:52 |
| sebsebseb | also they are being more welcome in South America, or that's the impression I got from the BBC thing I saw | Jan 05 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | they sent us all their undesirables for the last few decades | Jan 05 21:53 |
| sebsebseb | let's just check this, latian America means South America? | Jan 05 21:53 |
| schestowitz | "Give me your poor, your maimed..." | Jan 05 21:53 |
| rnb | ThistleWeb: land reform is a key part of the latin american socialist platform | Jan 05 21:53 |
| rnb | ThistleWeb: like the MST in Brazil | Jan 05 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | it's kind of funny that they're now getting illegal immigrants that are undesirable by their standards | Jan 05 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Miss Liberty got grumpy though | Jan 05 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Now she's protesting the bankers in NYC | Jan 05 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Yesh, we should really change that | Jan 05 21:53 |
| ThistleWeb | all I see is Chavez standing up to the US, albeit in a childish way | Jan 05 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | something nice, short and to the point | Jan 05 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | like "Fuck Off" | Jan 05 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | write it in Spanish | Jan 05 21:54 |
| rnb | sebsebseb: latin america = south & central america + caribbean | Jan 05 21:54 |
| oiaohm | http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/fixing-security-problem-isnt-always-right-answer-010510 Some of the arguements you see. Fool walking. If a person who is not secured not approved can get into a sercure area you have the wrong doors. | Jan 05 21:54 |
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| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: well they want to come to the USA a lot of them, according to BBC | Jan 05 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | maybe "We're fresh out of welfare" | Jan 05 21:54 |
| rnb | ThistleWeb: "childish"? he does it in a hilarious way, calling out all of our politicians for what they are | Jan 05 21:54 |
| ThistleWeb | I see DaSilva in Brasil trying to reverse stuff in favour of the people but struggling against an entreched system | Jan 05 21:54 |
| schestowitz | King Juan Carlos to Chávez: "Shut up" (ENGLISH SUBTITLES) < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Kzbo7tNLg > | Jan 05 21:54 |
| ThistleWeb | other than those, I most often see leaders the people ellect being ousted by the CIA, and a US freindly puppet installed instead | Jan 05 21:55 |
| rnb | ah, the fascist-loving king of spain | Jan 05 21:55 |
| sebsebseb | rnb: thanks, I was thinking it would mean Central America | Jan 05 21:55 |
| rnb | a real hero for the ages | Jan 05 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Mr. bean and Chavez..... | Jan 05 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Mr Bean replaces Spanish PM on EU presidency site http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8440554.stm | Jan 05 21:56 |
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| ThistleWeb | I like chavez, I just wish he was a little more mature in how he does things | Jan 05 21:56 |
| rnb | ThistleWeb: you need to look at the foro de sao paulo countries, those are the ones that are setting up the future for the other latam countries | Jan 05 21:56 |
| rnb | "mature" ? | Jan 05 21:56 |
| ThistleWeb | grown up if you prefer | Jan 05 21:57 |
| rnb | neither make sense | Jan 05 21:57 |
| ThistleWeb | dictionaries are useful things | Jan 05 21:57 |
| rnb | i know what the words mean | Jan 05 21:58 |
| rnb | it doesn't make sense how they apply to chavez | Jan 05 21:58 |
| ThistleWeb | when diplomats and world leaders meet, they act like grown ups | Jan 05 21:58 |
| rnb | they do? | Jan 05 21:58 |
| rnb | i guess you've never been to a diplomatic gathering :) | Jan 05 21:58 |
| ThistleWeb | nah, I was born yesterday | Jan 05 21:59 |
| ThistleWeb | it was cold then too | Jan 05 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Only if the cameras are on :-) | Jan 05 22:00 |
| ThistleWeb | I see both him and ahmadinijad as acting like children in the diplomatic arena | Jan 05 22:00 |
| schestowitz | You can find videos of them in less public settings | Jan 05 22:00 |
| ThistleWeb | which is not the way to win support and influence people | Jan 05 22:00 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: just _Acting like_? | Jan 05 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Bush with remarks like "bring em on!" | Jan 05 22:01 |
| rnb | ThistleWeb: you have an example of some time when chavez acted like a child in the diplomatic arena? | Jan 05 22:01 |
| schestowitz | I bet he's watching cartoon in the limo on his way to the white house, like 10-y-o Michael Jackson. | Jan 05 22:01 |
| schestowitz | He saw "the bad guys" in the cartoons. "Get em!!" | Jan 05 22:01 |
| ThistleWeb | bush is not a great example lol | Jan 05 22:01 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: I never saw Chavez acting childish | Jan 05 22:02 |
| schestowitz | SHow an example pls | Jan 05 22:02 |
| schestowitz | BTW: Has Google already unveiled TurdOne? | Jan 05 22:02 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm guessing we both have different views of "childish" then, as someone just posted a youtube clip | Jan 05 22:02 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: George Wayne [sic] FTW | Jan 05 22:03 |
| ThistleWeb | hang on, that was the other way round | Jan 05 22:03 |
| rnb | that was the king of spain acting like a child | Jan 05 22:03 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah, my bad | Jan 05 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | President Bush -- Fool me Once < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ux3DKxxFoM > | Jan 05 22:03 |
| _Goblin_ | hi all.... | Jan 05 22:03 |
| ThistleWeb | the other joke in the pack is berlusconi | Jan 05 22:04 |
| ThistleWeb | hey _Goblin_ | Jan 05 22:04 |
| _Goblin_ | ah....a politics discussion...I better stay clear! | Jan 05 22:04 |
| _Goblin_ | can I just say though: | Jan 05 22:05 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: SpringSource is not that big of worry. Almost all SpringSources projects are worked on by Orcale IBM and Redhat Developers. Even if vmware want to screw up what it was working on there are enough full time developers there to fork and keep on going. | Jan 05 22:05 |
| _Goblin_ | George Galloway is the only person who has any integrity in the world of politics.. | Jan 05 22:05 |
| _Goblin_ | (IMHO) | Jan 05 22:06 |
| rnb | yay, George Galloway! :) | Jan 05 22:06 |
| rnb | he kicks ass | Jan 05 22:06 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah, meowing like a cat | Jan 05 22:06 |
| _Goblin_ | great man.... | Jan 05 22:06 |
| ThistleWeb | nah, galloway does a lot right | Jan 05 22:06 |
| _Goblin_ | that "cat" thing actually to me shows his integrity. | Jan 05 22:06 |
| ThistleWeb | he has a sense of indefaticability | Jan 05 22:06 |
| rnb | i interviewed george galloway | Jan 05 22:06 |
| rnb | when he came here | Jan 05 22:06 |
| _Goblin_ | he does not put on any false front or is concerned with what people think about him.... | Jan 05 22:07 |
| _Goblin_ | rnb: Really? excellent! | Jan 05 22:07 |
| _Goblin_ | how come, you a journalist? | Jan 05 22:07 |
| schestowitz |  | Jan 05 22:07 |
| rnb | _Goblin_: sometimes | Jan 05 22:07 |
| schestowitz | [22:04] <ThistleWeb> the other joke in the pack is berlusconi | Jan 05 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Did you see him pick his nose? | Jan 05 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Like Brown? | Jan 05 22:07 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: I saw him playing hide and seek behind the pillars | Jan 05 22:08 |
| rnb | _Goblin_: freelance but i dont really do that anymore | Jan 05 22:08 |
| ThistleWeb | he has regular episodes | Jan 05 22:08 |
| _Goblin_ | rnb: Ive met him (only to shake his hand) but he's a great people person and I think his message of respect is the way forward... | Jan 05 22:08 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: with his kids? | Jan 05 22:08 |
| _Goblin_ | and also what expenses claims did he make? none. | Jan 05 22:09 |
| rnb | well, and george galloway is a socialist | Jan 05 22:09 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: if I remember right it was preparing for a photocall with other leaders | Jan 05 22:09 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mApFJ2g-Gd4 | Jan 05 22:10 |
| _Goblin_ | rnb: Traditionally (or stereotypically) I shouldn't support George, but he opened my eyes on many subjects. | Jan 05 22:10 |
| oiaohm | http://linusearch.com/wordpress/?p=558 Nice. | Jan 05 22:11 |
| ThistleWeb | CHEWIE! | Jan 05 22:11 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Linux and Whatever » Blog Archive » Laptop powered by AA Batteries .::. Size~: 6.89 KB | Jan 05 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Berlusconi Attack http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okCQ3fdEKms&NR=1&feature=fvwp | Jan 05 22:11 |
| ThistleWeb | I mean "chewy" | Jan 05 22:11 |
| _Goblin_ | Roy, Daryl has been hitting my site hard over the last day... | Jan 05 22:11 |
| rnb | http://www.youtube.com/user/21stCenturySocialism | Jan 05 22:16 |
| rnb | now you can all be 21st-century socialists in the Fifth International | Jan 05 22:17 |
| rnb | after you watch those videos.. | Jan 05 22:17 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin_: it means you bother Microsoft | Jan 05 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Their shills gravitate towards 'troublemakers' who won't report them to the FTC | Jan 05 22:19 |
| schestowitz | I think some Microsoft trolls got the message when I started writing letters | Jan 05 22:20 |
| schestowitz | rnb: I'll spend an hour watching some...... | Jan 05 22:20 |
| schestowitz | back in a mo | Jan 05 22:20 |
| rnb | viva la revolucion | Jan 05 22:21 |
| _Goblin_ | schestowitz: What gets me is that he can blatantly lie about my views when all a reader has to do is look at a couple of comments earlier and see he is telling lies....whats the point? | Jan 05 22:24 |
| ThistleWeb | people rely on others having a short...where was I? uhm......hang on it'll come to-OH that's it, short attention spans | Jan 05 22:29 |
| ThistleWeb | they play to the peanut gallery, who often skip all but the summary, then enjoy the arguments in the comments | Jan 05 22:30 |
| rnb | _Goblin_: url? | Jan 05 22:31 |
| _Goblin_ | sorry afk | Jan 05 22:34 |
| _Goblin_ | Daryl pops up mostly in this post: | Jan 05 22:34 |
| _Goblin_ | Jan 05 22:34 | |
| _Goblin_ | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2010/01/01/microsoft-your-culture-will-adapt-to-service-us-its-all-about-probes-patent-20090327171/ | Jan 05 22:34 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft Your culture will adapt to service us? Its all about probes! (patent 20090327171) « OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 90.15 KB | Jan 05 22:34 |
| _Goblin_ | but he's been disrupting others too... | Jan 05 22:35 |
| Omar87_ | hi all. | Jan 05 22:36 |
| oiaohm | To be good its nice that MS is watching OpenOffice. | Jan 05 22:38 |
| oiaohm | That means they most likely don't have there eyes on koffice | Jan 05 22:38 |
| rnb | did you know that the brazilian federal government mandated that all federal offices switch to an ubuntu desktop using openoffice? | Jan 05 22:43 |
| rnb | the latest versions of openoffice have been really good | Jan 05 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Morales says the US bribes people in Bolivia to overthrow him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zibjQzJizU&NR=1 | Jan 05 22:44 |
| rnb | schestowitz: that is true | Jan 05 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Why is this not on CNN? (rhetoric) | Jan 05 22:44 |
| rnb | essentially, thats what the NED is | Jan 05 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Taxpayers unknowingly attack democracy oevrseas | Jan 05 22:45 |
| rnb | indeed | Jan 05 22:45 |
| schestowitz | rnb: OOo 3.2 is out soon | Jan 05 22:45 |
| schestowitz | OOOo (Oracle OOo) | Jan 05 22:46 |
| *gargoyle-grin (n=randerso@gentoo/contributor/gargoyle-grin) has left #boycottnovell | Jan 05 22:57 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] OMFG identifox is SHIT, it steals fucking focus, causing unwanted keyboard shortcuts and your fucking blog post vanishes as you're working | Jan 05 23:10 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ThistleWeb no autosave? | Jan 05 23:25 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #uksnow E17 6/10 Freda looking out window "'Now! More 'now! Yay!" Skating to work tomorrow. | Jan 05 23:31 | |
| sebsebseb | What you people think of this? | Jan 05 23:33 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010010300335OSSWSD | Jan 05 23:34 |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: it was mentioned in BN and discussed | Jan 05 23:45 |
| schestowitz | +links for background on illegal MS deals in IT | Jan 05 23:45 |
| schestowitz | IT=Italy | Jan 05 23:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I can so see @_soliloquy_ doing number 10 http://is.gd/5Nj7S | Jan 05 23:45 | |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well a guy I gave the link to, didn't like it | Jan 05 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Nobody likes news about corruption | Jan 05 23:47 |
| schestowitz | I consider this story one of the important ones, which is why I had to write about it. Some dude installing a distro is a lot less important (one person versus population distorted by back room dealings) | Jan 05 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Lots of stuff to microblog about now :-) | Jan 05 23:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora #GNU #Linux Breaks a World Record http://bellard.org/pi/pi2700e9/announce.html | Jan 05 23:57 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RealNetworks Buys Some #Linux Expertise http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/story/realnetworks-acquires-varia-mobile/2010-01-04 | Jan 05 23:58 | |
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