| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] All lies, I'm off to bed. :) | Jan 09 00:00 | |
| ender2070 | http://cuttingthroughthematrix.com/CTTM2010/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_487_Organism_Organizing_the_Body_Organic_Jan072010.mp3 | Jan 09 00:01 |
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| ender2070 | excellent show | Jan 09 00:01 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.mozilla.com/metrics/2010/01/08/40-firefox-growth-in-2009/ | Jan 09 00:05 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: 40% Firefox Growth in 2009 | Blog of Metrics .::. Size~: 15.57 KB | Jan 09 00:05 |
| schestowitz | "2009 wraps up another year of terrific Firefox growth! Roughly keeping pace with previous years, Firefox grew 40% worldwide. Two regions in particular continued adopting Firefox at a breakneck pace — South America (64%) and Asia (73%)." | Jan 09 00:05 |
| schestowitz | trmanco will be happy about it | Jan 09 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Trollticle with question mark: http://www.itpro.co.uk/619297/is-firefox-s-position-vulnerable-in-2010 | Jan 09 00:05 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: IT PRO | Is Firefox’s position vulnerable in 2010? .::. Size~: 36.04 KB | Jan 09 00:05 |
| trmanco | :) | Jan 09 00:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's vulnerable if they don't fix the bloat :) | Jan 09 00:26 |
| ender2070 | its vulnerable only if they allow ms's addons to keep working | Jan 09 00:27 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: they do work on it | Jan 09 00:31 |
| schestowitz | I could get you the link from 2 days ago | Jan 09 00:31 |
| trmanco | what bloat? | Jan 09 00:31 |
| schestowitz | In fact, FF gets delayed cause they might work on this | Jan 09 00:31 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: RAM | Jan 09 00:31 |
| trmanco | RAM? | Jan 09 00:31 |
| trmanco | LOL | Jan 09 00:31 |
| schestowitz | I Agree that Firefox still caches too much | Jan 09 00:31 |
| schestowitz | I'd rather it dumped the cache more | Jan 09 00:32 |
| schestowitz | I tried about:config | Jan 09 00:32 |
| trmanco | try a real heavy app, like wave | Jan 09 00:32 |
| schestowitz | it's like it's ignoring what I put there | Jan 09 00:32 |
| trmanco | all of them go down after a while | Jan 09 00:32 |
| trmanco | even master chromium hits the 500 MB mark | Jan 09 00:32 |
| trmanco | ... | Jan 09 00:32 |
| schestowitz | FF doesn't stop eating until about 500MB | Jan 09 00:32 |
| schestowitz | I changed the settings to 256MB in FF 3.0 and it didn't take it | Jan 09 00:32 |
| schestowitz | Chromium is not a Web browser | Jan 09 00:33 |
| trmanco | if you leave it on for about 1 week, it's gonna hit that | Jan 09 00:33 |
| schestowitz | It's Google attempt to own the Web at an OS level too | Jan 09 00:33 |
| trmanco | all browsers have their advantages | Jan 09 00:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: yes, ram, cpu. bloat, I'm afraid. i have given it a hell of a chance but for now, Opera 10 is just more effective. | Jan 09 00:34 |
| trmanco | they can't be all good at everything | Jan 09 00:34 |
| trmanco | opera 10 is slow (js level) | Jan 09 00:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: right, i'm not saying it's easy to fix.. | Jan 09 00:34 |
| trmanco | but it's darn smooth | Jan 09 00:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: well, i'll take slow js if it means < 80% cpu at idle. | Jan 09 00:34 |
| trmanco | scrolling and stuff like that | Jan 09 00:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | the opera js engine is no slouch, though. none of them are. | Jan 09 00:34 |
| trmanco | mine hits that usage with flash junk | Jan 09 00:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's my solution "for now". I'll see how Ffx goes. | Jan 09 00:35 |
| trmanco | it gets better | Jan 09 00:35 |
| trmanco | slowly | Jan 09 00:35 |
| trmanco | I'm looking forward to opera 10.5 | Jan 09 00:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | but i would not have switched if there wasn't a problem on all platforms we use here (os x ppc, intel, and linux intel) | Jan 09 00:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/186360/oracle_critical_patch_update_includes_24_fixes.html?tk=rss_news | Jan 09 00:35 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Oracle Critical Patch Update Includes 24 Fixes - PC World .::. Size~: 66.38 KB | Jan 09 00:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: the big gripe with opera is plugins, i think | Jan 09 00:36 |
| trmanco | yes, but they have some apps for it | Jan 09 00:36 |
| trmanco | widgets | Jan 09 00:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | hm | Jan 09 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Accenture up MS' behind again: http://www.pcworld.com/article/186377/microsoft_accenture_to_launch_retail_service_package.html?tk=rss_news | Jan 09 00:37 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft, Accenture to Launch Retail Service Package - PC World .::. Size~: 66.38 KB | Jan 09 00:37 |
| trmanco | they kinda work | Jan 09 00:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: yes | Jan 09 00:37 |
| trmanco | I wonder if 10.5 is in opera's beta repository | Jan 09 00:41 |
| trmanco | http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/labs-6177/ | Jan 09 00:42 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Index of /unix/labs-6177 .::. Size~: 1.52 KB | Jan 09 00:42 |
| trmanco | lol :/ | Jan 09 00:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | :\ | Jan 09 00:43 |
| trmanco | :/ | Jan 09 00:44 |
| schestowitz | Jan 09 00:47 | |
| MinceR | \:/ | Jan 09 00:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: nice tux | Jan 09 00:48 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 09 00:49 |
| trmanco | \0/ | Jan 09 00:50 |
| trmanco | |.| | Jan 09 00:50 |
| trmanco | ./\ | Jan 09 00:50 |
| trmanco | :/ | Jan 09 00:50 |
| trmanco | http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/an9j6/i_am_a_former_lobbyist_amaa/ | Jan 09 00:52 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: I am a former lobbyist. AMAA : IAmA .::. Size~: 428.2 KB | Jan 09 00:52 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin Might you review Toorox? http://news.softpedia.com/news/Toorox-01-2010-Goes-64-bit-131404.shtml | Jan 09 00:52 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100107PD207.html "Shih used the example of the company's Linux-based Eee PCs, pointing out that although prices were cheaper than Windows-based models, consumers will preferred to purchase Windows-based models due to compatibility with software." | Jan 09 00:52 |
| schestowitz | He means _Windows_ software | Jan 09 00:53 |
| schestowitz | It's like saying a Jag is not good for poor compatibility with Ford | Jan 09 00:53 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Bing only gets 3% after all Microsoft’s effort? http://tinyurl.com/yj22bdm #microsoft #bing #netapps | Jan 09 00:55 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Bing only gets 3% after all Microsofts effort? « OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 35.76 KB | Jan 09 00:55 |
| _goblin | hello all | Jan 09 00:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: :) | Jan 09 00:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: right. it's like all the /. headlines about "viruses" that omit Windows. | Jan 09 00:57 |
| schestowitz | IDG repeats the Microsoft lies. | Jan 09 01:01 |
| schestowitz | "Nvidia wants to avoid the confusion that happened with the first Linux-based netbooks. Those machines were returned to stores en masse because baffled consumers expected to be able to run Windows apps. " http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2357854,00.asp | Jan 09 01:01 |
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| schestowitz | This was debunked by Dell, ASUS, others | Jan 09 01:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | wow. | Jan 09 01:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's brazen. | Jan 09 01:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | "baffled consumers" | Jan 09 01:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | actually no, i expect consumers just want to do stuff. | Jan 09 01:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz I'll certainly have a look, at present Im taking a gander at VidaLinux, a Gentoo derived distro, with "out of the box" | Jan 09 01:06 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/splashtop-2-0-arriving-soon-2010017/ | Jan 09 01:07 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Splashtop 2.0 arriving soon – Computer Chips & Hardware Technology | Geek.com .::. Size~: 55.33 KB | Jan 09 01:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Oh and also Regnum, Planeshift, Freeciv! | Jan 09 01:07 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin VidaLinux sounds like VistaLinux | Jan 09 01:09 | |
| ender2070 | the computer store I worked at had returns on windows netbooks more than linux ones | Jan 09 01:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | well | Jan 09 01:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | lets start bitching about the nintendo tegra 2 rumor | Jan 09 01:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz ..never thought of that... Its a Gnome DE Gentoo. | Jan 09 01:13 | |
| Diablo-D3 | lets just cut to the fucking chase | Jan 09 01:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | nintendo loves ARM | Jan 09 01:14 |
| ender2070 | nintendo tergra 2 ? | Jan 09 01:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | gba uses a 16mhz ARM7 | Jan 09 01:14 |
| ender2070 | ds uses arm7 + 9 | Jan 09 01:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | ds uses a 68mhz ARM9 + 32mhz ARM7 (runs at half speed as primary cpu during gba emu) | Jan 09 01:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] What a week! The snow hampered my work on Openbytes since I spent 3x longer travelling. Catching up now though, slowly. | Jan 09 01:14 | |
| Diablo-D3 | gamecube has a very low end ARM, not exposed to the gamecube, in the flipper gpu+southbridge | Jan 09 01:14 |
| ender2070 | what about tegra 2 though | Jan 09 01:14 |
| ender2070 | gamecube is powerpc | Jan 09 01:15 |
| ender2070 | ibm cpu | Jan 09 01:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: pay attention | Jan 09 01:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | its in the flipper | Jan 09 01:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | does misc shit, not exposed to the rest of the gamecube | Jan 09 01:15 |
| ender2070 | oh ok | Jan 09 01:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | the wii also does the same trick, it has an an ARM9 that does misc stuff, plus also runs the WiiConnect24 feature when the wii is off | Jan 09 01:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | its in the hollywood gpu+southbridge | Jan 09 01:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | the gamecube and wii are very similarly designed | Jan 09 01:16 |
| ender2070 | yes | Jan 09 01:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | so nintendo lurves the arm | Jan 09 01:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | so the next gen gameboy after the DS using the tegra 2 _could_ happen | Jan 09 01:17 |
| ender2070 | they also consider the iphone a threat | Jan 09 01:17 |
| ender2070 | the DS 2 should use it | Jan 09 01:18 |
| ender2070 | it would be a badassed idea | Jan 09 01:21 |
| ender2070 | if they arent already considering such | Jan 09 01:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] In what story did Asaj Ventress die? #StarWars She's the only major character of the Clone Wars unaccounted for AFAIK | Jan 09 01:22 | |
| ender2070 | hmm I remember nintento bragging about the low powerness of its wii connect | Jan 09 01:24 |
| ender2070 | didnt know arm was the reason | Jan 09 01:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, its a low power arm9 | Jan 09 01:32 |
| trmanco | http://samy.pl/natpin/ | Jan 09 01:33 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I am now being told by @arkadyrose that I talk in my sleep. Christ, I really do never shut up. THERE IS NO HOPE. | Jan 09 02:03 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Serious Sam HD is $6.49 on #Steam | Jan 09 02:23 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Canada trying to declare everyone in the country crazy... Jesus Christ, just start a revolution already http://ur1.ca/jdms | Jan 09 02:33 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] BTW, I would also like to state that Kenneth Zucker and Ray Blanchard seem like they're closeted gays who hate themselves | Jan 09 02:33 | |
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| wallc_ | Just read the BN post about The Guardian audio interview. Unless someone else has already transcribed it, I'd be happy to do it. | Jan 09 02:47 |
| wallc_ | transcribing, that is | Jan 09 02:48 |
| wallc_ | :) | Jan 09 02:48 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] The Third & The Seventh, completely awesome architecture movie http://ur1.ca/jdng | Jan 09 02:48 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Wolfire says use #OpenGL and not #DirectX... I don't care what their reasons are, they're right http://ur1.ca/jdo1 | Jan 09 02:58 | |
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| oiaohm | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/01/moblin-linux-on-x86-smartphone-intels-small-step-forward.ars The cross between phone and desktop is getting warped. | Jan 09 03:53 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] Air travel safer than ever, even with terrorists: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/01/skies-are-as-friendly-as-ever-911-al.html | Jan 09 04:07 | |
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| DaemonFC | I tricked one of the freebie antivirus apps into installing by removing my account's ability to see what type of Windows was running | Jan 09 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | they apaprently all refuse to install on Windows Server and demand that you pony up $300 | Jan 09 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | it's rapetacular | Jan 09 04:44 |
| oiaohm | All all bar one of the free ones is only licence for home use. Only one that you can put on servers does not have real time scanning on windows. DaemonFC | Jan 09 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | ClamWin | Jan 09 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they probably figure that if you can pay $800 for Windows Server, you can pay a lot of money for an antivirus program too | Jan 09 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | so they introduce some bogus checks for Windows Server before they allow their cheaper products to install | Jan 09 04:48 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly bogus. | Jan 09 04:49 |
| oiaohm | Most people running servers run central management antivirus. | Jan 09 04:49 |
| oiaohm | Now standalone mixed with that does cause a major case of hell. | Jan 09 04:49 |
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| DaemonFC | oiaohm: I followed that guide on "How to turn Windows Server 2008 R2 into a desktop" | Jan 09 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose there's not many advantages over Windows 7 if this is all you use it for | Jan 09 04:51 |
| oiaohm | 2008 server does make a nice stable game machine. | Jan 09 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | the first thing I did to it was destroy it with Comodo Internet Security | Jan 09 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | I ended up having to reinstall and call the Product Activation hotline to get it activated again | Jan 09 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | apparently Comodo isn't compatible with Server 2008 R2 | Jan 09 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know what it did exactly, but it destroyed my networking | Jan 09 04:55 |
| oiaohm | Drivers | Jan 09 04:55 |
| oiaohm | It firewalling trapping is not 2008 compadbile. | Jan 09 04:56 |
| oiaohm | Last time I looked it not windows 7 compadible yet either. | Jan 09 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, first thing I tried was disabling its firewall service | Jan 09 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | then I tried uninstalling it, but the uninstaller broke | Jan 09 04:56 |
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| oiaohm | You should see comodo under wine. | Jan 09 04:56 |
| oiaohm | Its a complete laugh. | Jan 09 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | so then I found a batch file that someone had made to kill it with and transferred it to this PC on a USB stick and ran it | Jan 09 04:57 |
| oiaohm | If comodo cannot interface with with it drivers it cannot uninstall. | Jan 09 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | it killed Comodo but didn't fix my networking | Jan 09 04:57 |
| oiaohm | yes stupid. | Jan 09 04:57 |
| oiaohm | Once damaged it damaged. | Jan 09 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | so then I tried running Windows diagnostics which dicked me around some more | Jan 09 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | told me that there was a driver problem and left it at that | Jan 09 04:58 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Jan 09 04:58 |
| oiaohm | Now people try to tell me windows don't have problems. | Jan 09 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | well, it didn't before that | Jan 09 04:58 |
| oiaohm | Install the wrong program you end up at reinstall. | Jan 09 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | a bad application is still quite capable of killing it obviously | Jan 09 04:58 |
| cubezzz | ask me how old my install is | Jan 09 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | uhhhhm | Jan 09 04:59 |
| cubezzz | 2004 :) | Jan 09 04:59 |
| oiaohm | Linux you always have repair paths against bad installs of applications. | Jan 09 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | 6 months to a year | Jan 09 04:59 |
| cubezzz | Embedix is from 2001 | Jan 09 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | well, it's just hard to shoot yourself in the foot on Linux | Jan 09 04:59 |
| oiaohm | Mine here is early 2000 and its been on 2 computers in that time. | Jan 09 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | cause there's really no concept of having to install kernel modules for antivirus tasks | Jan 09 05:00 |
| oiaohm | I lost a harddrive before that other wise I would have all the way back to 1996 | Jan 09 05:00 |
| cubezzz | right, the limit is the hardware | Jan 09 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: That is one area I'll give to Linux | Jan 09 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | no dicking around with bad security applications | Jan 09 05:00 |
| cubezzz | btw this box has been running 24/7 except when the power supply went | Jan 09 05:01 |
| cubezzz | again, the hardware is the limiting factor | Jan 09 05:01 |
| oiaohm | Linux migrates between hardware quite well. | Jan 09 05:02 |
| cubezzz | Embedix on the zaurus might outlast everything else actually | Jan 09 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if there's extensive differences that a desktop user would care about between 7 and Server 2008 R2 | Jan 09 05:03 |
| cubezzz | not sure what the lifespan of compact flash is | Jan 09 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | it does seem slightly more responsive | Jan 09 05:03 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, remember to keep sending money to Redmond :) | Jan 09 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: I didn't pay for it | Jan 09 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | 'twas freeeeeeeee | Jan 09 05:04 |
| cubezzz | pirated? | Jan 09 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Jan 09 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | legitimately activated with a Microsoft-issued serial | Jan 09 05:04 |
| oiaohm | 2008 supports multi cpu boards. | Jan 09 05:05 |
| oiaohm | Ie good for gammers. needing massive power for low lag. | Jan 09 05:05 |
| oiaohm | Or 3d cad operators. | Jan 09 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: Supports 192 GB of RAM I think, but so do the more expensive versions of Windows 7 | Jan 09 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | Home Premium tops out at 16 GB | Jan 09 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | Starter stops at 1 GB | Jan 09 05:06 |
| cubezzz | so what then? | Jan 09 05:06 |
| cubezzz | not pirated and not pay so...? | Jan 09 05:06 |
| cubezzz | is Microsoft giving away freebies now? | Jan 09 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Yep | Jan 09 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | I got Windows Server 2003 for the laptop | Jan 09 05:07 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: that is right 2008 server 32 bit support PAE allowing use of more than 4G of memory where 32 bit Windows 7 is locked to 4G of memory. | Jan 09 05:08 |
| oiaohm | There is also a connection limit on Windows 7 that 2008 does not have either. | Jan 09 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | connection to what exactly? | Jan 09 05:09 |
| cubezzz | the point is you really don't know what it's doing | Jan 09 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: I got them off of their Dreamspark website | Jan 09 05:09 |
| oiaohm | Windows networking clients. 2008 can connect to unlimited naturally. Windows 7 since a client OS start throwing trouble at 10. Can cause some fun running some servers on Windows 7 as well. | Jan 09 05:10 |
| cubezzz | there could be backdoors | Jan 09 05:12 |
| cubezzz | that's why I don't run a closed source os | Jan 09 05:12 |
| cubezzz | at least you didn't give money to Microsoft, that's something | Jan 09 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: I try not to | Jan 09 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | I never would have gone out and bought Windows Server to use as a desktop OS | Jan 09 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 09 05:14 |
| cubezzz | how much does Windows Server cost? | Jan 09 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | I think Standard is a little over $800 | Jan 09 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | it goes al lthe way to Enterprise which can be $1100 a license | Jan 09 05:17 |
| cubezzz | well sounds like you got a killer deal then | Jan 09 05:18 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Newegg has Standard for $899, that's what I havew | Jan 09 05:18 |
| DaemonFC | Enterprise is $2,749 | Jan 09 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | yikes | Jan 09 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: There was a way to turn the trial version of Windows Server 2003 Standard into the full version of Enterprise | Jan 09 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | so I had Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition on my Celeron desktop PC for years | Jan 09 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 09 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | I guess I had a $2,500 OS on a $600 PC | Jan 09 05:21 |
| DaemonFC | (it came with XP Home Edition) | Jan 09 05:21 |
| oiaohm | That is the thing most people don't get. | Jan 09 05:25 |
| oiaohm | Lot of cases the software is way more than the hardware. And it does not take long to get to that point with windows. | Jan 09 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, right now I have a $900 OS on an $800 PC | Jan 09 05:27 |
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| oiaohm | Yet if you had become a regestered partner you could have got that OS for about 400 USD. | Jan 09 05:29 |
| oiaohm | Plus 10 copies of Windows 7 to use. | Jan 09 05:29 |
| oiaohm | People simple get ripped with MS licencing. | Jan 09 05:29 |
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| oiaohm | Basically if I liked windows 7 and 2010 Office I could have more copies of it than machines I have to run it for less than buying 1 copy of each. | Jan 09 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10014804o-2000673651b,00.htm | Jan 09 05:35 |
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| DaemonFC | some students complaining about what happens when they work on a document at home and then OpenOffice at school messes up the formatting | Jan 09 05:35 |
| oiaohm | Stiff. | Jan 09 05:38 |
| oiaohm | OpenOffice users had to put up with correcting formating at school when MS Office rendered incorrectly. | Jan 09 05:38 |
| oiaohm | Heck even if you using a different version of MS Office to school that crap can happen. | Jan 09 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | you'd think they'd be glad that they don't have to buy MS Office anymore | Jan 09 05:39 |
| oiaohm | Would not matter what Office suit you had in the school there will always be a percentage complain it ate there homework. | Jan 09 05:40 |
| oiaohm | Being a school network admin you very quicky become a Bastard operate from hell. Because it all students will get. | Jan 09 05:42 |
| cubezzz | another Microsoft tax to be avoided | Jan 09 05:44 |
| oiaohm | I saw one admin try to make all the users happen. | Jan 09 05:45 |
| oiaohm | The machine ended up with 2000 2003 and 2007 office on them. then they still complained they could not find the MS Office the knew. | Jan 09 05:46 |
| oiaohm | Basically the Office suit arguement is lose lose lose for poor admins. | Jan 09 05:46 |
| oiaohm | So admins take what give them the least headaches. | Jan 09 05:46 |
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| cubezzz | text based? :) | Jan 09 05:47 |
| cubezzz | just a little unix humour there | Jan 09 05:47 |
| amarsh04 | oiaohm, besides OOo, I think that Abiword is also a worthwhile free cross-platform wordprocessor to have installed | Jan 09 05:47 |
| oiaohm | OOo Abiword are ok. I would love to have Kword out of Koffice also on windows in a simple to network install form. | Jan 09 05:48 |
| oiaohm | Koffice + OOo basically gives you all the most important features of MS Office enterprise. | Jan 09 05:48 |
| oiaohm | And then some. | Jan 09 05:48 |
| oiaohm | Its not always humour. Some servers I do run text based for ssh login remote. Its lot smaller and faster to talk to them. | Jan 09 05:49 |
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| cubezzz | actually my speadsheets are text and I total the numbers with a perl script :) | Jan 09 05:51 |
| cubezzz | my version of office | Jan 09 05:51 |
| amarsh04 | I wouldn't mind a curses-based spreadsheet | Jan 09 05:51 |
| cubezzz | ummm, there's oleo and sc but I've never tried them | Jan 09 05:53 |
| cubezzz | sc seems to be used more | Jan 09 05:53 |
| *amarsh04 checks debian for them | Jan 09 05:55 | |
| DaemonFC | hmmmm | Jan 09 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | this game installer says I have Windows Vista Server 4.0 | Jan 09 05:58 |
| oiaohm | Yep that is correct DaemonFC | Jan 09 05:58 |
| oiaohm | Server 2010 would be windows 7 server | Jan 09 05:59 |
| cubezzz | ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/apps/financial/spreadsheet/sc-7.16.tar.gz | Jan 09 05:59 |
| cubezzz | latest source I could find | Jan 09 06:00 |
| amarsh04 | yes, sc is in Debian | Jan 09 06:00 |
| cubezzz | is it newer than 7.16? | Jan 09 06:01 |
| amarsh04 | it is version 7.16 | Jan 09 06:01 |
| cubezzz | ah, ok | Jan 09 06:01 |
| cubezzz | looks rather like lotus 1-2-3 :) | Jan 09 06:02 |
| amarsh04 | might have to read the man pages to know the keystrokes needed | Jan 09 06:04 |
| oiaohm | Really would not mind a text based spreed sheat program suporting ods at some times. | Jan 09 06:04 |
| amarsh04 | it should be possible to write a filter program that can be run from a terminal... even at a pinch the headless OOo | Jan 09 06:05 |
| oiaohm | Ie ssh into systems. | Jan 09 06:06 |
| oiaohm | Its nicer not to have to run X11 | Jan 09 06:06 |
| cubezzz | not sure what you mean by ods | Jan 09 06:06 |
| amarsh04 | ODF spreadsheet format | Jan 09 06:06 |
| oiaohm | odf spreedsheet cubezzz | Jan 09 06:06 |
| cubezzz | oh | Jan 09 06:06 |
| amarsh04 | I found that current CUPS localhost web pages seem to need javascript... haven't tried with lynx yet | Jan 09 06:07 |
| cubezzz | right :) | Jan 09 06:07 |
| *amarsh04 hates web-based configuration that won't work from lynx | Jan 09 06:07 | |
| cubezzz | I'm using ncurses stuff more and more | Jan 09 06:07 |
| oiaohm | links will work amarsh04 | Jan 09 06:08 |
| amarsh04 | ok, will try it | Jan 09 06:08 |
| oiaohm | yes we have too many browsers with the same sounding name. | Jan 09 06:08 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELinks or it blood releation amarsh04 | Jan 09 06:11 |
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| amarsh04 | I'll have to try it a bit more, but localhost:631 seems to work in links and lynx | Jan 09 06:12 |
| amarsh04 | warm weather, 41 C yesterday and today, 43 C forecast next two days | Jan 09 06:14 |
| DaemonFC | yay, Winamp Essentials was updated | Jan 09 06:23 |
| cubezzz | damn, it's freezing here, -11C | Jan 09 06:25 |
| DaemonFC | I can has AAC+ :P | Jan 09 06:47 |
| DaemonFC | Winamp started pushing AAC about 8 years ago, I noticed it when I copied over a folder to my MP3 player and they wouldn't play :( | Jan 09 06:49 |
| DaemonFC | apparently Windows Media Player does not understand HE-AAC | Jan 09 06:50 |
| DaemonFC | just AAC LC | Jan 09 06:50 |
| DaemonFC | another interesting thing is how Nero doesn't let you use HE-AAC above 80kbps while Winamp will let you use that profile all the way to 256k | Jan 09 06:52 |
| DaemonFC | evil Nazis at Nero, always trying to fuck with me :D | Jan 09 06:53 |
| DaemonFC | Winamp devs told me once that HE-AAC was a bonus for people that bought Winamp Pro | Jan 09 06:57 |
| DaemonFC | I think I asked them if the bonus was that no hardware could decode them and you wouldn't know until you already ripped dozens of CDs | Jan 09 06:57 |
| DaemonFC | at that point I was fairly angry | Jan 09 06:58 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: Tell me what fascination companies have with making three or four incompatible codecs and giving them the same file extension | Jan 09 07:01 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 09 07:01 |
| DaemonFC | not that they haven't tried all kinds of stupidity with MP3 (though none of it took) | Jan 09 07:01 |
| DaemonFC | I think it's sadism, is why they do it | Jan 09 07:02 |
| DaemonFC | like how Microsoft sets Windows Media Player to encode to WMA Pro by default even though no portables can actually play it | Jan 09 07:03 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] DC police conspire to spread AIDS among poor black families http://ur1.ca/jdxu | Jan 09 08:08 | |
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| Omar87_ | schestowitz: ping | Jan 09 08:15 |
| Omar87_ | Okay, and I think this should buy us some time to talk to J. Wildeboer from Red Hat and try to figure something out with him. | Jan 09 08:15 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3: It's really more like an excuse to up their arrests for the month | Jan 09 08:15 |
| DaemonFC | make their quota | Jan 09 08:15 |
| Omar87_ | ahh! Sorry, by mistake.. | Jan 09 08:16 |
| Omar87_ | http://jordanopensource.org/blog/minister-said-no | Jan 09 08:16 |
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| DaemonFC | it's like how the cops go months without giving out many speeding tickets, then all of a sudden they're pulling everyone over who was going a mile per hour over the spped limit | Jan 09 08:16 |
| DaemonFC | cops especially like to target people with out of town or out of state license plates | Jan 09 08:17 |
| DaemonFC | I remember once getting pulles over for going 37 mph in a 35 zone | Jan 09 08:17 |
| DaemonFC | they made me get out of the car cause they wanted to search it | Jan 09 08:18 |
| DaemonFC | so I hit the lock button and slammed it shut | Jan 09 08:18 |
| DaemonFC | I ended up having to wait there for like an hour while they further harassed me by having dogs sniff my car | Jan 09 08:18 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose if I was black I could have sued them, but oh well | Jan 09 08:18 |
| DaemonFC | if you're a minority standing over a mutilated corpse and holding a blood soaked knife, it's police harassment | Jan 09 08:19 |
| DaemonFC | if you're white and have them stop you for 37 in a 35 and detain you for an hour, it's not | Jan 09 08:20 |
| DaemonFC | that's why my blood boils when liberal pansies bitch and moan about a couple black hookers being arrested | Jan 09 08:21 |
| DaemonFC | it's like what more do they want out of us? | Jan 09 08:22 |
| DaemonFC | we're already working minimum wage jobs and paying taxes so that they can all go to college on affirmative action grants | Jan 09 08:22 |
| DaemonFC | it's not my fault if they whore themselves and sell crack cocaine instead | Jan 09 08:23 |
| DaemonFC | you shouldn't do the crime if you can't handle the time | Jan 09 08:23 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 09 08:23 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC: was away watching a video. Major issue is there is no formal place to regester a file extention. | Jan 09 08:52 |
| oiaohm | Its not like Unix or Linux depend on file extentions to id files most of the time. | Jan 09 08:53 |
| oiaohm | People don't notice the 4 different versions of gif or the 3 different verisons of jpeg and the 2 different vresions of png. | Jan 09 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | people do notice the 15 different profiles of AAC | Jan 09 08:54 |
| cubezzz | use mplayer | Jan 09 08:54 |
| cubezzz | actually I ported the file command just recently | Jan 09 08:55 |
| cubezzz | anyway, mplayer should be able to handle AAC | Jan 09 09:01 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Rudy Giuliani: "We have always been at war with Eastasia" http://ur1.ca/je2u #politics #douchebag | Jan 09 09:03 | |
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| DaemonFC | cross dressing ex-NYC mayor who lost the 2008 presidential primary to John McCain | Jan 09 09:09 |
| DaemonFC | makes the news? | Jan 09 09:10 |
| DaemonFC | noooooooooo | Jan 09 09:10 |
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| schestowitz | Wow. People don't know Google uses Linux for its OS, even people who write for major sites. http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/blogs/in-business-blog/have-we-escaped-microsoft039s-arms-only-fall-google039s | Jan 09 09:43 |
| schestowitz | "Google has released its own operating system, which is to run on netbooks – the tiny devices that look like shrunken laptops. This is designed to compete against the Microsoft Windows variant that netbooks mostly use at present (there are a few Linux variations out there as well)." | Jan 09 09:43 |
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| oiaohm | Fear making schestowitz | Jan 09 09:47 |
| oiaohm | Only defence MS has left schestowitz | Jan 09 09:47 |
| oiaohm | The difference between phone and desktop is ending. | Jan 09 09:47 |
| cubezzz | right, I'm going to start writing code on my phone :) | Jan 09 09:57 |
| cubezzz | desktop is here to stay | Jan 09 09:58 |
| cubezzz | they'll sell millions of phones | Jan 09 09:58 |
| cubezzz | but the desktop is still the desktop | Jan 09 09:58 |
| oiaohm | There will be no difference in time cubezzz | Jan 09 09:58 |
| oiaohm | Applications for desktop will be applications for phones. | Jan 09 09:59 |
| oiaohm | And vice verse. | Jan 09 09:59 |
| oiaohm | Why have incompadiblity between the two cubezzz | Jan 09 09:59 |
| cubezzz | assuming it can do a good job on both | Jan 09 09:59 |
| oiaohm | No different between design a web site to display on different size screens cubezzz | Jan 09 10:00 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, I need a big screen for programming | Jan 09 10:00 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, my own site can't do 240x320 very well | Jan 09 10:01 |
| oiaohm | And who says a phone will not have a big screen in time. | Jan 09 10:01 |
| oiaohm | Ie a projector. | Jan 09 10:01 |
| cubezzz | it's not impossible | Jan 09 10:01 |
| oiaohm | Or not have the means to hook up to a tv or lcd screen for bigger screen. | Jan 09 10:02 |
| oiaohm | We have cross the point of no return. | Jan 09 10:02 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux a Big Star in #CES2010 http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/01/penguin-roundup-linux-gadgets-at-ces.ars | Jan 09 10:02 | |
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| cubezzz | oiaohm, I still would prefer a desktop for a lot of things | Jan 09 10:03 |
| cubezzz | if somehow one could get a 1024x768 display which is readable then you could do the phone thing | Jan 09 10:03 |
| oiaohm | From an applicaiton developer point of view the difference is ending. | Jan 09 10:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux and User's Confidence: Poll http://www.locutus.us/confidence_in_os_recovery | Jan 09 10:03 | |
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| cubezzz | I also tried one of those foldable keyboards and I hated it | Jan 09 10:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What Makes a #Linux "Guru" http://www.daniweb.com/news/story251579.html | Jan 09 10:04 | |
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| oiaohm | You have seen sixed sence cubezzz | Jan 09 10:05 |
| cubezzz | no | Jan 09 10:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Heise Looks at Linux 2.6.33, #DAQFlex Brings Installer to #Linux http://ur1.ca/je4t http://ur1.ca/je4u | Jan 09 10:06 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #XServer 1.7.4 is Out http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzg2NQ | Jan 09 10:06 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.blendernation.com/sixth-sense-technology/ Major change on tech design cubezzz | Jan 09 10:07 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE SC 4.4 Reaches Release Candididate and Looks Great, More Developers http://ur1.ca/je4z http://ur1.ca/je50 | Jan 09 10:09 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME Desktop Gets Better HTML Renderer http://ur1.ca/je52 | Jan 09 10:11 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Slackware Listed as Key #KDE Distro http://mysticalgr.awardspace.com/?p=534 | Jan 09 10:12 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Release of #Elive http://news.softpedia.com/news/Elive-1-9-56-Has-Support-for-3G-Phones-131583.shtml | Jan 09 10:12 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora Project Board Changes http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Fedora-Project-Board-Starts-into-2010 | Jan 09 10:18 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at Social Networking Prowess in #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 10.04 http://ur1.ca/je5f | Jan 09 10:19 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Intel 's #VxWorks Still in Competition with #Linux http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/01/08/windriver_vxworks_68/ | Jan 09 10:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Awesome! - Been a fan for years! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te9Ic70ykpI Toby, you might like this! @tobyw7 | Jan 09 10:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Iomega Focused on #Linux http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Iomega-iConnect-Wireless-Data-Station-/?kc=rss | Jan 09 10:20 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Dash Internet Runs #Linux , Reviewed http://ur1.ca/je5k http://ur1.ca/je5l | Jan 09 10:21 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Skiff Runs #Linux , Many Other E-readers Also Run Linux http://ur1.ca/je5m http://ur1.ca/je5n | Jan 09 10:22 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GENIVI Makes Cars More #Linux Dependent, #Korenix Makes Hermetic Linux PC http://ur1.ca/je5q http://ur1.ca/je5r | Jan 09 10:24 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Wireless Grids All About #Linux http://ur1.ca/je5v http://ur1.ca/je5w | Jan 09 10:25 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LiMo and #Nokia #Linux #Phones Appear, Reviewed http://ur1.ca/je5y http://ur1.ca/je5z | Jan 09 10:26 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] $99 #GNU #Linux Sub-notebooks Are Already Here http://insidesocal.com/click/2010/01/the-99-cherrypal-laptop---it-r.html | Jan 09 10:34 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of #Ubuntu Netbook Remix, #Latitude 2100 with Ubuntu http://ur1.ca/je7e http://ur1.ca/je7f | Jan 09 10:36 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ARM on the Sub-notebooks Already Helping #GNU #Linux Gain Share http://ur1.ca/je8a http://ur1.ca/je8c | Jan 09 10:37 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Developers Should Love #OpenGL and Ignore Microsoft's Traps http://blog.wolfire.com/2010/01/Why-you-should-use-OpenGL-and-not-DirectX | Jan 09 10:38 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #EtherPad and #Launchpad Look at What's Ahead http://lwn.net/Articles/367879/ http://blog.launchpad.net/coming-features/the-road-ahead | Jan 09 10:40 | |
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| _Goblin | Anyone here seen the DTP (Digital Tipping Point) project? | Jan 09 10:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FogComputing Has Some Appeal, IBM Backing to #eyeOS http://ur1.ca/jeb9 http://ur1.ca/jeba | Jan 09 10:41 | |
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| oiaohm | No I have not do you have the link _Goblin | Jan 09 10:41 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla Claims #Firefox Enjoyed 40% Growth in 2009 http://blog.mozilla.com/metrics/2010/01/08/40-firefox-growth-in-2009/ | Jan 09 10:42 | |
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| _Goblin | absolutely excellent..... | Jan 09 10:43 |
| _Goblin | may use some of the footage to make my own documentary... | Jan 09 10:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MySQL and #PostgresSQL Grow in Appeal http://ur1.ca/jedi | Jan 09 10:43 | |
| _Goblin | if/when I get the time. | Jan 09 10:43 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: Oracle knew this was coming. They changed over to solution provider many years ago. | Jan 09 10:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Censorship and Other Internet Abuse in the UK, France, Chicago http://ur1.ca/jelh http://ur1.ca/jell http://ur1.ca/jeln | Jan 09 10:53 | |
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| phIRCe-local | Title: Chicago Prosecutor's Office Leaks Old, Unsubstantiated, Discredited Internal Memo To Smear Innocence Project Founder | Techdirt .::. Size~: 42.17 KB | Jan 09 10:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies Applies to One's Photons http://ur1.ca/jemm | Jan 09 10:54 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Vanessa Hudgens Claims Copyright in Décolletée Images of Herself « The IP Factor .::. Size~: 25.53 KB | Jan 09 10:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA Conspiracy Under More Pressure http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/01/senator-demands-details/ | Jan 09 10:55 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Senator Demands IP Treaty Details | Threat Level | Wired.com .::. Size~: 78.1 KB | Jan 09 10:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz But is it abuse when customers have effectively already signed their rights away with the T&C's? | Jan 09 10:56 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz The hosting companies I have used in the past have been pretty explicit in their T&C. | Jan 09 10:57 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Rednex Says Sharing of Music is the Future, Labels Are Screwed http://ur1.ca/jero | Jan 09 11:02 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Rednex Diss Record Labels, Partner With The Pirate Bay | TorrentFreak .::. Size~: 71.59 KB | Jan 09 11:02 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: get in touch with Christian | Jan 09 11:03 |
| schestowitz | He'd be thrilled if you make use of footage and help you out | Jan 09 11:03 |
| schestowitz | Christian Einfeldt <einfeldt@gmail.com> | Jan 09 11:04 |
| _Goblin | yeah, Ive briefly spoken with him in regards to answering some Q's for an Openbytes article. | Jan 09 11:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] If a Twitter account is not clear, ask for disclosure if it is an official Microsoft account. We have a right to know (IMO) #rights #FCC | Jan 09 11:07 | |
| _Goblin | Also been talking with a MS twitter account....Ive asked for them to disclose if they are official or not. | Jan 09 11:07 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/18565210 "@schestowitz have you tried Toorox? I installed the last release but couldn't mod it enough as all the setup and admin menus were in German" | Jan 09 11:10 |
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| schestowitz | We have a transcript of the Guardian :-) | Jan 09 11:17 |
| schestowitz | "Here's the rush text job. If you can wait just a little bit longer, I have a much better html version one with ironic, reality links. I'm sick of reading this nonsense and looking at all the bad things Microsoft actually does is depressing. Here's a nice transcript with links to various Microsoft crimes. Enjoy and please share." | Jan 09 11:17 |
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| oiaohm | Hmm we are down on MS pushers recently. | Jan 09 11:26 |
| _Goblin | Ive had an increase of attacks personally... | Jan 09 11:36 |
| _Goblin | Daryl came and went (the most recent) | Jan 09 11:36 |
| _Goblin | Its been said that the user/style is a common one...he copped the hump with my article comparing MS MUI to the Borg, | Jan 09 11:37 |
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| oiaohm | Lot of the MS pushers seam to be entering a state of confusion. | Jan 09 11:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Transcript of The #Guardian ’s 10-Minute #Microsoft ‘Advert’ http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/09/guardian-microsoft-podcast/ | Jan 09 11:38 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Transcript of The Guardians 10-Minute Microsoft Advert | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 111.63 KB | Jan 09 11:38 |
| _Goblin | Maybe its because the gifting of users by MS has dried up? | Jan 09 11:39 |
| _Goblin | "The only good MS comment is a paid for one" | Jan 09 11:39 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: yes, most comments in BN now are from trolls | Jan 09 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Personal attacks | Jan 09 11:40 |
| _Goblin | its all they can do. | Jan 09 11:40 |
| _Goblin | they certainly can't debate the merits of their products anymore. | Jan 09 11:40 |
| _Goblin | Even the LinXXX users can't get taken seriously. | Jan 09 11:41 |
| _Goblin | Their main Twitter account user can't break the 18 followers barrier on Twitter. | Jan 09 11:42 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, well... I don't keep track of these perps | Jan 09 11:42 |
| _Goblin | and their attempt at making a "cheapening list" is only followed by two people, one of whom is named in the list. | Jan 09 11:42 |
| schestowitz | If you get attacked a lot it usually means you did something right and they can't put up w/ it | Jan 09 11:42 |
| _Goblin | yeah, its satisfying when that happens! | Jan 09 11:43 |
| pawel_121 | I wonder if someone made a research about windows viruses? if some old viruses still work there must be very longstanding security holes or design mistakes. AV's only workaround those mistakes or vulnerabilities | Jan 09 11:43 |
| _Goblin | I am still waiting for an answer to the Twitter account who claims "Not associated with Redmond" | Jan 09 11:43 |
| _Goblin | thats not the same as "Not associated with Microsoft" | Jan 09 11:44 |
| _Goblin | Ive asked for disclosure. I will push it until I get a response. | Jan 09 11:44 |
| oiaohm | pawel_121: There was a lot of forcasts that more and more failures of anti-virus software will happen. | Jan 09 11:48 |
| oiaohm | At some point there will be more viruses to scan for than processor time to detect. | Jan 09 11:49 |
| pawel_121 | oiaohm thanks, good to know :) | Jan 09 11:49 |
| oiaohm | Linux world is battleing the attackers more than MS. | Jan 09 11:50 |
| oiaohm | Secuirty of Linux is still increasing. | Jan 09 11:51 |
| pawel_121 | oiaohm, and there are no typical viruses on Linux, there can be some trojans, but they must be run manualy | Jan 09 11:51 |
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| TheMadHatter | Morning. | Jan 09 11:53 |
| oiaohm | There is normally 3 or 4 a year for Linux pawel_121 | Jan 09 11:53 |
| oiaohm | Most end up non operational by the end of the 12 months. | Jan 09 11:54 |
| pawel_121 | oiaohm not so big problems :) | Jan 09 11:54 |
| TheMadHatter | 3 or 4 what? | Jan 09 11:54 |
| oiaohm | Linux viruses a year. TheMadHatter | Jan 09 11:54 |
| TheMadHatter | I'm surprised there's that many. | Jan 09 11:55 |
| pawel_121 | oiaohm, but trojans or like ms viruses? | Jan 09 11:55 |
| oiaohm | Worms pawel_121 | Jan 09 11:55 |
| oiaohm | Self spreeding pains in ass. | Jan 09 11:55 |
| oiaohm | Most Linux servers and the like are not soft targets. | Jan 09 11:56 |
| oiaohm | There is a lot of failure of spreed. | Jan 09 11:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] washing machine has died. laundry flooded. mountain of soaked dirty washing. -1 outside. a*se. | Jan 09 11:56 | |
| TheMadHatter | No, but trying to explain that to a Microsoft Fanboi is like trying to fly without wings. | Jan 09 11:57 |
| TheMadHatter | Microsoft Fanboi=IQ of less than 50 | Jan 09 11:57 |
| pawel_121 | TheMadHatter, they usually believe there are no viruses on Linux, because of lack of populaity | Jan 09 11:58 |
| pawel_121 | I consider it's because Linux uses different model | Jan 09 11:58 |
| TheMadHatter | Yes, and when you try to explain the technical reasons, they tell you that you are lying. | Jan 09 11:58 |
| oiaohm | There are many parts of the Linux model shutdown attacks. | Jan 09 11:58 |
| pawel_121 | TheMadHatter they don't understand technical reasons ;) | Jan 09 11:59 |
| oiaohm | Central repositories of apps and auditable paths of applications supply cut a lot of viruses down. | Jan 09 11:59 |
| TheMadHatter | Yep. | Jan 09 11:59 |
| oiaohm | People notice that Linux system is more repairable than windows. | Jan 09 11:59 |
| TheMadHatter | Roy, you here? | Jan 09 11:59 |
| pawel_121 | oiaohm, exactly | Jan 09 11:59 |
| oiaohm | That is also that Linux is more auditable. | Jan 09 11:59 |
| pawel_121 | right | Jan 09 11:59 |
| oiaohm | Ie if something breaks a Linux system the system can be disected and counter measure developed. | Jan 09 12:00 |
| oiaohm | Windows design makes that very hard todo. | Jan 09 12:00 |
| pawel_121 | by a lot of people not by a single company with strange priorities | Jan 09 12:00 |
| TheMadHatter | We need to redo that article again - full set of reasons as to why Windows is such a fucking disaster. Everytime it gets explained, a few more people switch. | Jan 09 12:01 |
| oiaohm | Part of formal Linux Admin training is how to audit and disect a Linux system. | Jan 09 12:01 |
| oiaohm | You don't find that in formal Windows Admin training. | Jan 09 12:01 |
| pawel_121 | TheMadHatter which article? | Jan 09 12:01 |
| TheMadHatter | Formal training? What's that :) | Jan 09 12:01 |
| TheMadHatter | Why Windows is insecure. | Jan 09 12:01 |
| pawel_121 | TheMadHatter do you have a link maybe? | Jan 09 12:02 |
| TheMadHatter | NO, I just know that they article has been covered at least twice. | Jan 09 12:02 |
| pawel_121 | ok | Jan 09 12:03 |
| oiaohm | even without formal training there are a lot of docs on how to audit a Linux system. | Jan 09 12:03 |
| oiaohm | Effectivelly every Linux system admin is a solider a virus writer on Linux has to face. | Jan 09 12:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ximian Founder Quits #Novell http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/09/nat-friedman-jumps-ship/ | Jan 09 12:03 | |
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| schestowitz | TheMadHatter: hey, what's up? | Jan 09 12:03 |
| oiaohm | Staff Tech everything MS is weaker pawel_121 made worse by number. | Jan 09 12:04 |
| pawel_121 | oiaohm that's right | Jan 09 12:05 |
| TheMadHatter | Not much. Been writing. Been reading. Saw something you've probably already seen, but was too important not to pass in imho | Jan 09 12:06 |
| TheMadHatter | http://blog.wolfire.com/2010/01/Why-you-should-use-OpenGL-and-not-DirectX | Jan 09 12:06 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Why you should use OpenGL and not DirectX - Wolfire Games Blog .::. Size~: 36.8 KB | Jan 09 12:06 |
| TheMadHatter | Very nice write up on Open GL and how it helps you reach a larger audience when you are writing a game for Windows. | Jan 09 12:07 |
| TheMadHatter | It makes a wonderful economic argument against DirectX. | Jan 09 12:09 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] One #GNU #Linux Box , Six Simultaneous #GNOME Users http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/09/six-simultaneous-experiences/ #playogg | Jan 09 12:11 | |
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| TheMadHatter | OK, but why didn't they use XFCE instead of Gnome? | Jan 09 12:13 |
| TheMadHatter | Pardon, but I really don't like Gnome. Or KDE. XFCE is pretty nive though, and so is Enlightenment. | Jan 09 12:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Tomboy for Mac OSX - where do the notes get stored on my machine? | Jan 09 12:18 | |
| TheMadHatter | Um, who knows? Why would you load Mono onto a Mac? | Jan 09 12:19 |
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| TheMadHatter | And for that matter, is Tombuy better than Stickies? | Jan 09 12:20 |
| TheMadHatter | Roy, you still here? | Jan 09 12:22 |
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| TheMadHatter | OK, also this link | Jan 09 12:38 |
| TheMadHatter | http://www.pcworld.com/article/185708/how_digitized_content_democratizes_knowledge.html | Jan 09 12:38 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: How Digitized Content Democratizes Knowledge - PC World .::. Size~: 72.79 KB | Jan 09 12:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Former #Microsoft AstroTurfer attacks #OLPC , calling a Free software success story “tragedy” http://ur1.ca/jf8r | Jan 09 12:38 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Great Recession: Go open source before your proprietary vendor fucks you over http://is.gd/5XiwA | Jan 09 12:47 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Software Auditors Crack Down As Recession Bites - News - eWeekEurope.co.uk .::. Size~: 24.05 KB | Jan 09 12:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] New online site has found that 30 percent of all IT suits are initiated by patent trolls: http://i5.be/agO | Jan 09 13:05 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Critical Vulnerabilities in #Vista7 , #Windows Left Unsafe for Another Month http://ur1.ca/jfcg | Jan 09 13:11 | |
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| OpenGL | hi there, anyone seen this article ? http://blog.wolfire.com/2010/01/Why-you-should-use-OpenGL-and-not-DirectX | Jan 09 13:20 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Why you should use OpenGL and not DirectX - Wolfire Games Blog .::. Size~: 36.8 KB | Jan 09 13:20 |
| oiaohm | Yep | Jan 09 13:20 |
| trmanco | yes | Jan 09 13:20 |
| oiaohm | With the upcoming mobile cpus vs desktop cpus for the complete control of both markets opengl support is playing netural. | Jan 09 13:21 |
| OpenGL | part 2 and 3 are very interesting | Jan 09 13:23 |
| oiaohm | OpenGL: you have to seeing the signs of the up coming cpu war. | Jan 09 13:28 |
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| wallc_ | Good morning! | Jan 09 13:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just discovered from @daviey that an HTC Hero can be charged off a standard USB cable, even though connector is different. #fb | Jan 09 13:33 | |
| wallc_ | I saw the Guardian CES transcript post on BN. It has the name wrong for the guy from Microsoft. His name is Darren Huston, in the transcript it's written as Dan... | Jan 09 13:42 |
| wallc_ | I did start a transcript last night, but didn't finish it. To me, it cries out for a parody...there were several remarks in the Guardian/Huston interview that were hilarious. | Jan 09 13:44 |
| wallc_ | :) | Jan 09 13:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patent Backlash, #Microsoft #DRM Patents in #USPTO , #SoftwarePatents in Israel Revisited http://ur1.ca/jfei | Jan 09 13:52 | |
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| schestowitz | TheMadHatter: hey | Jan 09 13:52 |
| schestowitz | I'm catching up | Jan 09 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Hey, wallc_ | Jan 09 13:54 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: oh no | Jan 09 13:55 |
| schestowitz | How far did you get before stopping? | Jan 09 13:55 |
| schestowitz | I feel so bad about this | Jan 09 13:55 |
| schestowitz | It's like two people worked on the same thing and I didn't see your message in IRC until this morning | Jan 09 13:56 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: I fixed the name | Jan 09 13:58 |
| wallc_ | It's no problem, honest. I didn't mind. It was a hoot listening to the Interview...I laughed a lot. :) | Jan 09 13:59 |
| schestowitz | But it's like we had it done twice | Jan 09 13:59 |
| schestowitz | I was afraid this might happen | Jan 09 13:59 |
| schestowitz | The other one came without prior notification, I just had it in my box in the morning | Jan 09 14:00 |
| schestowitz | The thing is, even if I was here last night to respond, I would still not know that another person would do it | Jan 09 14:00 |
| wallc_ | It isn't a problem. It was late at night and I wasn't doing anything but web surfing. I enjoyed it...plus, when two people do something mistakes are found faster...like the name :) | Jan 09 14:01 |
| wallc_ | So, it's just great that it got done. | Jan 09 14:01 |
| schestowitz | How long did it take? | Jan 09 14:01 |
| wallc_ | I don't know how long it took, | Jan 09 14:02 |
| schestowitz | Next time I'll say something, "notify if you're transcribing to avoid duplication of effort" | Jan 09 14:02 |
| wallc_ | maybe 30 minutes or so. | Jan 09 14:02 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/18573516"@schestowitz it was usable & looked quite good,3d worked out of the box. However I like to tweak my distros but I couldn't read German" | Jan 09 14:02 |
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| schestowitz | wallc_: wow. You type so fast? | Jan 09 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Can you type as fast as they speak? | Jan 09 14:03 |
| wallc_ | well, I'm not bothered by it at all. I was glad to see it done, and I wouldn't have thought to add the links in mine, so it worked out great. No worries. | Jan 09 14:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Council to refuse to house owners of ‘weapon dogs’ - Times Online http://tinyurl.com/y9bz4l6 | Jan 09 14:03 | |
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| schestowitz | wallc_: okay, thanks so much | Jan 09 14:04 |
| wallc_ | :) no problem. | Jan 09 14:04 |
| schestowitz | I learned my lesson from this... won't happen again | Jan 09 14:04 |
| schestowitz | Cause when I got the mail this morning, first thing I thought was "oops!" and then I mailed you | Jan 09 14:05 |
| wallc_ | Yes, I found your email this morning. Seriously, it was just fine. And I hadn't finished my transcript, it was still in a very rough stage. | Jan 09 14:06 |
| trmanco | http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.6rc1/releasenotes/ | Jan 09 14:07 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Mozilla Firefox 3.6 Release Candidate Release Notes .::. Size~: 36.91 KB | Jan 09 14:07 |
| wallc_ | I can type fast, but I make a lot of mistakes, so I generally do several edits. | Jan 09 14:07 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if I should do more Comes exhibits, Groklaw does some too | Jan 09 14:07 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw is sorting some too | Jan 09 14:07 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: Oh, I see what you mean | Jan 09 14:07 |
| schestowitz | I can't figure out when I do it the most efficient method | Jan 09 14:07 |
| schestowitz | Cause it can take time to correct words if they are typed too fast without precision | Jan 09 14:08 |
| schestowitz | I did the OLPC one and DRI recently | Jan 09 14:08 |
| wallc_ | well, I'm going through some Comes stuff to help Groklaw. Maybe it would be best to wait until that archive is finished, and then see what needs more transcribing. | Jan 09 14:08 |
| schestowitz | Verbal communication is good cause that's when the speaker has no chance to second-pass and airbrush the stuff that's not supposed to be uttered | Jan 09 14:08 |
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| schestowitz | There's also a voice/facial impression which adds beyond text | Jan 09 14:09 |
| wallc_ | Regarding the Huston CES interview, I think it's interesting to see where the speaker fumbles...lots of "Ums" and "Uhs" show up when they are trying hardest to spin negatives into positives. | Jan 09 14:10 |
| wallc_ | Or teying to pretend that they are the real "innovators" in everything that's ever been invented in the history of the world...lol | Jan 09 14:11 |
| wallc_ | *trying* | Jan 09 14:11 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 09 14:11 |
| wallc_ | I truly think the interview is perfect parody material... | Jan 09 14:12 |
| schestowitz | I didn't listen to the thing, though. I guess there's like "original" and text, where the former contains the latter | Jan 09 14:12 |
| wallc_ | Oh my, you really should listen to it... | Jan 09 14:12 |
| wallc_ | it's a hoot. | Jan 09 14:12 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin wrote http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2010/01/09/bing-only-gets-3-after-all-microsofts-effort/ | Jan 09 14:13 |
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| wallc_ | The parts of the interview that talks about Bing and Google is especially hilarious. | Jan 09 14:13 |
| schestowitz | THey admit the US-only lie | Jan 09 14:15 |
| schestowitz | But they persist with it | Jan 09 14:15 |
| schestowitz | "Ignore the world....... the US *IS* the world" | Jan 09 14:15 |
| schestowitz | They do the same for Xbox | Jan 09 14:15 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb pointed this out | Jan 09 14:15 |
| schestowitz | This company has no shame | Jan 09 14:15 |
| schestowitz | They lie almost with sincerity | Jan 09 14:16 |
| schestowitz | They believe they serve some higher motives, so cheating is just justified by it | Jan 09 14:16 |
| wallc_ | Yeah, they just redefine the words "cheat" and "lie" to mean something positive...it's the Microsoft way.. | Jan 09 14:19 |
| schestowitz | "PR" | Jan 09 14:20 |
| schestowitz | Or "marketing" | Jan 09 14:20 |
| schestowitz | I don't like those notions at all, yet they make up a trillion dollar/year industry that generates nothing of use | Jan 09 14:20 |
| schestowitz | If you had removed this industry, no "innovation" will be lost and the world will persist | Jan 09 14:20 |
| wallc_ | It's funny, PR stands for Public Relations, yet they truly have no clue how to "relate" to the public... | Jan 09 14:20 |
| schestowitz | /will/would/ | Jan 09 14:21 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: no, they do | Jan 09 14:21 |
| schestowitz | That's the thing | Jan 09 14:21 |
| schestowitz | They learn how to penetrate inner consciousness | Jan 09 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Like how to show you some handsome couple and associate it with a car | Jan 09 14:21 |
| wallc_ | maybe, but in the same way used car salesmen "relate". | Jan 09 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I beat you to it :-) | Jan 09 14:22 |
| schestowitz | Novell going the wrong way: http://nat.org/blog/2010/01/hitting-the-road/ | Jan 09 14:22 |
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| schestowitz | From hermit to Kermit: http://nat.org/blog/2009/12/internet-sabbath/ | Jan 09 14:23 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.nermal.org/blog/tracking-a-cat-with-gps/ | Jan 09 14:27 |
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| wallc_ | lol I remember a couple of years ago, a story about someone putting a camera on their cat and letting it wander through the neighborhood. It was pretty funny. | Jan 09 14:29 |
| wallc_ | Ahhh, here it is on BoingBoing: | Jan 09 14:30 |
| wallc_ | http://www.boingboing.net/2007/06/06/cat-has-camera-on-co.html | Jan 09 14:30 |
| wallc_ | well, much to do today. bye for now :) | Jan 09 14:32 |
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| schestowitz | g2g bbl | Jan 09 14:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] On a conference call with the @uupc and @linuxoutlaws guys and girls ... planning #OggCamp in 2010 :) | Jan 09 14:57 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] My wife is insisting on listening to Lady Gaga....how awful.... Next on the playlist is Die Apokalyptischen Reiter...thankfully | Jan 09 15:07 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @_Goblin lady gaga is great! top-class synthpop, vastly talented. silly clothes though. | Jan 09 15:15 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @davidgerard I think we will agree to differ! ;) I'd describe it as predictable pap and her "gaga" act is as transparent as Spinal Tap! | Jan 09 15:20 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] @popey girls? plural? I await the OggCamp announcement with baited breath ;) | Jan 09 15:31 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] People have prepared a FOSS calender using inkscape and demonstrated how did they made it in IIT-M ILUGC meet :D | Jan 09 16:33 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Downloading Savage 2 for Linux. Looks great! http://www.savage2.com/en/main.php #linux #gaming #foss #free | Jan 09 16:41 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Excellent thing: breadmaker from @thesickchick and @timmiesaurus. 30p flour = LOTS of bread. OM NOM NOM. | Jan 09 16:44 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #uksnow E17 6/10 Doing washing at launderette. F-05 error on our Hotpoint washing machine, i.e. clogged pump. AGAIN. Don't buy Hotpoint. | Jan 09 16:48 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @_Goblin i have always had a fatal weakness for cheesy pop! | Jan 09 16:50 | |
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| DaemonFC | The Governator wants $7 billion from the Feds | Jan 09 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | Why can't California just reinstate its death penalty and put the 700 in the backlog into some kind of mass execution? | Jan 09 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | That should be a precondition for the money | Jan 09 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | it's taking $28 million a year just to keep them in prison | Jan 09 16:59 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @davidgerard lol....I must say, Im still partial to a little Aqua! | Jan 09 17:04 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,582660,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r5:c0.082256:b29713348:z10 | Jan 09 17:05 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: U.K. Woman Reports Rape, Charged for Sex Outside Marriage - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News - FOXNews.com .::. Size~: 45.78 KB | Jan 09 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | Don't tell the police you were raped in Pakistan | Jan 09 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | or they'll arrest you for adultery | Jan 09 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | I'm assuming the arab countries generally don't go after the attacker? | Jan 09 17:07 |
| _Goblin_ | no there its classed as USI | Jan 09 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | which would be what exactly? | Jan 09 17:09 |
| MinceR | it's easier to punish the victim | Jan 09 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | remember I'm from a country that punishes the rapist | Jan 09 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 09 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | explain it to me as best you can considering I'm not in a military-ruled, unstable, quasi-dictatorship, Muslim dominated, with liberty for none and a justice system that maliciously targets the victim | Jan 09 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 09 17:11 |
| _Goblin_ | sorry DaemonFC: USI = Unlawful Sexual Intercourse | Jan 09 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, some kind of catch-all then? | Jan 09 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | so this news piece says she should drop the allegation, lie and say she was drunk, and marry her fiance immediately | Jan 09 17:13 |
| _Goblin_ | yes for a multitude of offences... | Jan 09 17:13 |
| MinceR | hm, sounds a bit like jesusland | Jan 09 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: How so? | Jan 09 17:14 |
| _Goblin_ | I don't know much about criminal law in any country other than the UK | Jan 09 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | I think Muslim countries are the only ones that still have sex crimes that apply to two willing adults | Jan 09 17:14 |
| MinceR | ...which is megacorp-ruled, unstable, moving toward quasi-dictatorship, christian fundamentalist-dominated, with liberty for none but the richest and a justice system that maliciously targets whomever it's paid to target :> | Jan 09 17:15 |
| _Goblin_ | but what I will say is its all down to the society it represents. In the UK the age of consent is 16, in some countries its less and in some its more. | Jan 09 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | and I don't think most western countries cut off your head over any of them | Jan 09 17:15 |
| MinceR | no, the methods are different | Jan 09 17:15 |
| _Goblin_ | but thats the penalty not the offense | Jan 09 17:15 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: Name the US state that will arrest you over that? | Jan 09 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | I'd sure as hell like to know | Jan 09 17:16 |
| MinceR | right, no US state will arrest me for being raped. this makes USA the home of ultimate liberty of freedom | Jan 09 17:16 |
| MinceR | oh wait, no it doesn't | Jan 09 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | better than Pakistan though | Jan 09 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | have to admit that | Jan 09 17:16 |
| MinceR | probably | Jan 09 17:17 |
| MinceR | but that's no reason to sit on one's laurels and pose as a paragon of freedom | Jan 09 17:17 |
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| MinceR | and especially not to be so smug about it | Jan 09 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Most governments that have tried to claim that ended up being bought off | Jan 09 17:17 |
| MinceR | especially not about the not being "Muslim dominated" part (while being christian fundamentalist) | Jan 09 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | the RIAA/MPAA essentially paid the Swedish judicial system to invent a law agaisnt file sharing | Jan 09 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | so don't tell me that isn't corruption | Jan 09 17:18 |
| MinceR | iirc the MAFIAA made the swedish "judicial" system violate its own laws before they could get that far | Jan 09 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | What exactly is the Swedish legal framework that allowed the Pirate Bay guys to be sent to prison? | Jan 09 17:19 |
| MinceR | (selecting a prejudiced "judge" not once, but twice) | Jan 09 17:19 |
| MinceR | but guess where the MAFIAA is based | Jan 09 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think there was one. I think they were sentenced to a crime that doesn't exist there. | Jan 09 17:19 |
| MinceR | no, not in sweden | Jan 09 17:19 |
| MinceR | it's based in Jesusland | Jan 09 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't matter | Jan 09 17:19 |
| MinceR | oh yes it does | Jan 09 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | they paid, the Swedish officials took it | Jan 09 17:19 |
| MinceR | it's part of why you shouldn't be smug about the USA | Jan 09 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't matter where the bribe money came from | Jan 09 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | the fact that Swedish officials are taking bribes is the point | Jan 09 17:20 |
| MinceR | that's the "freedom" and "liberty" you export | Jan 09 17:20 |
| MinceR | that's only part of the point | Jan 09 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | if you want to tell me Sweden isn't corrupt, they should stop taking bribes | Jan 09 17:20 |
| MinceR | in corruption, both parties are guilty | Jan 09 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | there can't be liberty and freedom while elected officials are openly taking bribes to make up the law as they go | Jan 09 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | which is what's going on in Sweden | Jan 09 17:21 |
| MinceR | and they'll keep openly taking bribes as long as you keep making it so profitable and acceptable | Jan 09 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: So if a British company bribed Sweden, and Sweden took it? | Jan 09 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | Sweden still isn't corrupt? | Jan 09 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | What about a Chinese company bribing them? | Jan 09 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | they like to get all high and mighty about their human rights record | Jan 09 17:22 |
| MinceR | where did i say sweden wasn't corrupt? | Jan 09 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | taking foreign bribes to convict your citizens of crimes that don't exist should be enough to throw those claims out | Jan 09 17:22 |
| MinceR | you fail reading comprehension | Jan 09 17:23 |
| MinceR | which is kind of sad considering it's your native language | Jan 09 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: And where is it a crime in the US to bribe a foreign official? | Jan 09 17:23 |
| MinceR | probably it isn't, after all it would get in the way of your being so corrupt | Jan 09 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | the bribe money did not come from our government, it came from a corporation | Jan 09 17:23 |
| MinceR | i see your point. if it's legal, it must be ethical | Jan 09 17:24 |
| MinceR | that's an important part of jesuslandian dogma | Jan 09 17:24 |
| MinceR | m$ uses it all the time | Jan 09 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | no, I'd say that Sweden is the one with the problem | Jan 09 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | they should purge and prosecute every government official that had any part in that | Jan 09 17:24 |
| MinceR | yes, jesusland is perfect, and everyone else must change | Jan 09 17:24 |
| MinceR | preferably to be like jesusland | Jan 09 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | they're not, so it will send the message that it can happen again | Jan 09 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | and be tolerated | Jan 09 17:25 |
| MinceR | you're sending the same message | Jan 09 17:25 |
| MinceR | but somehow it's only their fault | Jan 09 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | so why are people in Sweden bitching? Are they powerless to change their government? | Jan 09 17:25 |
| MinceR | they might well be | Jan 09 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | \Is the United States stopping them from electing 100% pirate party candidates? | Jan 09 17:26 |
| MinceR | i'm certainly powerless to change the absurdistani^Whungarian government | Jan 09 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure US corporations can send campaign money, but that shouldn't decide the election if enough people are pissed off with what's going on | Jan 09 17:27 |
| MinceR | well, campaign money matters a lot in the USA, why do you think it doesn't matter elsewhere? | Jan 09 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | or is the Swedish government using their own version of Fixed News to keep people placated and misinformed? | Jan 09 17:27 |
| MinceR | if they did the exact same thing as the republicans, i'm sure you'd find a way to rationalize only the swedes being guilty | Jan 09 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: There's either laws stopping billion (unit of currency) campains or there's only one party anyway? | Jan 09 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 09 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | mostly the latter | Jan 09 17:28 |
| MinceR | well, here in absurdistan we have two parties that do the exact same thing and the sheeple randomly alternate between having one of them on the government | Jan 09 17:29 |
| MinceR | and in jesusland the exact same is true, except it's been in place for longer | Jan 09 17:29 |
| MinceR | of course corporate control of what governments do mostly comes from jesusland | Jan 09 17:30 |
| MinceR | then there's the russians, afaik | Jan 09 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Didn't it used to be one party ruling all of "absurdistan" with all others being illegal? | Jan 09 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | seems I remember something about that | Jan 09 17:34 |
| MinceR | it did | Jan 09 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | so two is an improvement, right? | Jan 09 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | be happy :D | Jan 09 17:34 |
| MinceR | and now the first line of those gangsters is gone | Jan 09 17:34 |
| MinceR | the second line forms one of the parties (successor of that one) | Jan 09 17:35 |
| MinceR | and the third line forms another | Jan 09 17:35 |
| MinceR | it's an improvement at least in principle | Jan 09 17:35 |
| MinceR | there are some other parties, but they don't get to do much | Jan 09 17:35 |
| MinceR | (the old leaders were probably simply too old to care to stay in government or to stay alive -- we had the russian model, ruled by old evil geezers) | Jan 09 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | mass deportations to slave labor camps | Jan 09 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | mass executions | Jan 09 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | aren't you glad for the reformed absurdistan? :) | Jan 09 17:37 |
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| MinceR | i'm glad, but far from satisfied | Jan 09 17:38 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Stalin's_Boots.jpg | Jan 09 17:39 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm guessing.....NOT spontaneous human combustion | Jan 09 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 09 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | what did they cut the SOB down with anyway? | Jan 09 17:40 |
| MinceR | dunno | Jan 09 17:41 |
| schestowitz | I've listened to the Guardian podcast. He wasn't easy on Microsoft, but they treat the world like it's just Google vs Apple vs Microsoft. | Jan 09 17:59 |
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| Omar87 | Hi all. | Jan 09 18:09 |
| MinceR | hay | Jan 09 18:11 |
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| schestowitz | Hi | Jan 09 18:22 |
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| DaemonFC | Winamp finally updated to AoTuv beta 5.7 in the Essentials Pack | Jan 09 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | I'd been bugging them about that forever :P | Jan 09 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | Winamp dev/s do Songbird now | Jan 09 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Free s/w is where the party's at ;-) | Jan 09 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | 500 MB of RAM and a web browser attached to your media player | Jan 09 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | complete with hundreds of security vulnerabilities I'm sure | Jan 09 18:55 |
| MinceR | sounds like WMP | Jan 09 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | I'd use VLC before Songbird, cause Songbird is jsut VLC lugging around a full copy of Firefox | Jan 09 18:56 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you can separate it from the GI | Jan 09 18:58 |
| schestowitz | *GUI | Jan 09 18:58 |
| schestowitz | A PMP is now using SongBird... one from Philips | Jan 09 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | hope it has 512 megs of RAM and a 1 Ghz CPU | Jan 09 18:59 |
| schestowitz | I'm amazed at how journos can believe nonsense from Murdoch | Jan 09 19:00 |
| schestowitz | I had this argument with a friend of mine who think that collusion of newspapers would work | Jan 09 19:00 |
| schestowitz | It's like going backwards, won't work | Jan 09 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | there already is one | Jan 09 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Like a bunch of KKKers deciding to restart slavery all at once and taking the public for fools | Jan 09 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Who was it that said "Nobody ever bet on human stupidity and lost"? | Jan 09 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | Why do you think video poker exists? | Jan 09 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 09 19:03 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: II heard this quote before | Jan 09 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Is it attributable to someone? | Jan 09 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | maybe, I don't know | Jan 09 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | "We advise against playing or accessing content or using applications protected by other digital, information or enterprise rights management technology or other rights management services..." -Microsoft Vista EULA | Jan 09 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | well, at least I agree with part of it | Jan 09 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I had to call the Microsoft Product Activation Hotline last night :P | Jan 09 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | it gives you like 8 groups of like 8 digits you have to read off | Jan 09 19:12 |
| MinceR | that's a fate you sought for yourself | Jan 09 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | then the system gives you another 8 sets of 8 digits to type in | Jan 09 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | takes at least 10 minutes before you can get the damned thing activated | Jan 09 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: It was after I destroyed Windows with that Comodo crap (oops) | Jan 09 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | and had to reinstall it | Jan 09 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | it told me that the key I used was only allowed to be used once, so I had to call the PA hotline and go through that | Jan 09 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | the Dreamspark serial numbers are volume license keys set to only allow one activation apparently | Jan 09 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | I've never had to actually call that number, Microsoft has client versions of Windows set up so that all you see is a bubble saying "Windows is now activating" 3 days in, no matter how many times you install it | Jan 09 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | activation is like a shark that stays hidden under the water most of the time, but occasionally surfaces to claim a victim :P | Jan 09 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | people put up with it for Windows, and I kind of understand that, but why they opt to go buy more software like MS Office that puts them under the control of another activation scheme baffles me | Jan 09 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | they basically double their chances that something goes wrong and they can't access their documents, especially if they used Office to DRM their own files | Jan 09 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | At least if Windows got pissed and just would not let me log in at all, I can grab my files off of it with a Linux live cd | Jan 09 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | if Office gets pissed, and you DRM'd your files, there's no way to ever get them back | Jan 09 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know why that doesn't scare people, it scares the hell out of me | Jan 09 19:21 |
| MinceR | because people are stupid | Jan 09 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | maybe you're a college student and lose your doctoral thesis because Office activation goes crazy | Jan 09 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | people just don't get it | Jan 09 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | OOo doesn't pull that shit, is free, and works on Windows | Jan 09 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | so what is wrong with people? | Jan 09 19:22 |
| MinceR | they're stupid | Jan 09 19:22 |
| MinceR | also, they probably don't know there's a better alternative | Jan 09 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I didn't even really know what DRM was until around 6 years ago | Jan 09 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, I had heard the term before but never really experienced it | Jan 09 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | Pepsi had a summer promo where your bottlecaps got you iTunes downloads, so I saved a bunch of them up an started downloading songs | Jan 09 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | tried to go play them in Winamp, wouldn't play, Windows Media Player, wouldn't play, VLC, wouldn't play. | Jan 09 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | then I notice the "m4p" file extension and realized I'd never heard of that one | Jan 09 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | the Pepsi promo was just a ploy to get you to download iTunes and start building up a song collection so that they could twist your arm into going out and buying their mp3 player which cost twice as much as anyone elses :P | Jan 09 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | so I didn't get what people thought they "bought" exactly | Jan 09 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | now if you have your old m4p collection, you can "upgrade" it to no DRM for another 89 cents | Jan 09 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | I was kind of amused by that | Jan 09 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | *per file | Jan 09 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | so these idiots that enumerated 1,000 tracks at 99 cents per, get to go essentially buy them again to remove the DRM | Jan 09 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | Apple not only refuses to uncripple them for free, but they now sell the DRM-free stuff for $1.29 per track, a 30 cent increase | Jan 09 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | evil evil evil | Jan 09 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | so that's why I don't own an ipod | Jan 09 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | I'd have to flash it with Rockbox before it was of any use to me and it still costs more than everyone elses | Jan 09 19:30 |
| MinceR | another reason not to own a hypePod is that everyone and their dog did it before crApple and they all did it better | Jan 09 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | the biggest problem with an iPod that I can see, is that if someone gifts you one, it's too slim to use as a door stop | Jan 09 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | the 3rd gen could do that right at least | Jan 09 19:30 |
| MinceR | you could use it as a paperweight though | Jan 09 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Jan 09 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | a very stylish paperweight :) | Jan 09 19:31 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't call it stylish | Jan 09 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | a very modern paperweight | Jan 09 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | the most polished paperweight Apple has ever released | Jan 09 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 09 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | oddly enough, PC world can't say enough good things about the iPod, even though it doesn't actually work that well with a PC | Jan 09 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | money talks :P | Jan 09 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | Winamp has a plug-in that lets it connect to your ipod at least | Jan 09 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | but a lot of programs don't, including Windows Media Player, and there is no way to drag files onto it like a file system | Jan 09 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | much too awkward to use if you're on a PC, Windows or Linux | Jan 09 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | everything's proprietary, right down to the transfer protocol | Jan 09 19:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @Ben_Sheen: Become a 'qualified homoeopath' ... no exams, just a 'friendly, self-assessment programme'. http://bit.ly/8FdXWf #ten23 | Jan 09 19:39 | |
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| MinceR | a PC running winblows or a PC running macos? | Jan 09 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | it's like how hard is it to just use MSC? | Jan 09 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | not hard, they just don't want it talking to media players that haven't paid them | Jan 09 19:40 |
| MinceR | i guess using standard USB device classes is just passe | Jan 09 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Macs have a few differences, mostly just some lockout code in the firmware :P | Jan 09 19:41 |
| MinceR | especially MSC and CDC | Jan 09 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | no choice in Intel or AMD | Jan 09 19:41 |
| MinceR | i know, they're PCs with some compatibility issues | Jan 09 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | good way to put it | Jan 09 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | there was a PC World editor that said he spent almost all his time in Windows XP on his Macbook | Jan 09 19:42 |
| MinceR | what did you expect from IDG? :> | Jan 09 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | got me wondering why anyone would buy a $1500 Macbook Pro with the specs of an $800 PC laptop in the first place | Jan 09 19:42 |
| MinceR | if it's proprietary crap with tons of lock-in, they're all over it | Jan 09 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | much less to boot it into the OS that came with every $800 PC laptop? | Jan 09 19:42 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenSUSE Survey and Site Changes, Breakage http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/09/suse-boxing-day-to-present/ | Jan 09 19:52 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post | The Downtime Explanation | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/ybhkr6k | Jan 09 19:55 | |
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| MikeyC | Hi ROy | Jan 09 20:15 |
| MikeyC | Some apocalyptic scenarios for you to mull over (all hypothetical of course) :)....http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/willie/2010/0106.html | Jan 09 20:17 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, MikeyC | Jan 09 20:27 |
| schestowitz | What's up? | Jan 09 20:27 |
| schestowitz | MikeyC: the wise people learn Mandarin now :-) | Jan 09 20:27 |
| MikeyC | lol | Jan 09 20:27 |
| MikeyC | did you check the link i posted | Jan 09 20:28 |
| schestowitz | I looked at it briefly | Jan 09 20:32 |
| schestowitz | OK, I'll link to it later too | Jan 09 20:34 |
| schestowitz | It seems interesting | Jan 09 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=13686&view=findpost&p=137229 | Jan 09 20:34 |
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| DaemonFC | lulz | Jan 09 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | comparing FhG to SCO | Jan 09 20:35 |
| schestowitz | MikeyC: Maybe British troops will go to Kuwait to protect the -oil- people from those 'scary' people from China ;-) | Jan 09 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | The difference being that SCO went to court equipped with a few C header files as "evidence" | Jan 09 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | FhG just keeps trying to act scary and hope someone believes them | Jan 09 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | what amuses me is that Vorbis's patent status is *still* debated, even though lots of major companies have adopted it in their hardware or in their US-based Linux distribution | Jan 09 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | you know their lawyers had to sign off on that | Jan 09 20:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Baron Silas Greenback sues Royal Institution for competence discrimination http://newstechnica.com/?p=1184 | Jan 09 20:37 | |
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| DaemonFC | I doubt Sandisk would be shipping millions of Vorbis and FLAC enabled Sansa's if they had any serious reservations | Jan 09 20:39 |
| MikeyC | We are in the grip of a new mini ice age Roy, your Chinese invasion might never happen:) | Jan 09 20:40 |
| schestowitz | MikeyC: I'm currently studying how and why the Soviet empire collapsed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cU1CRPiZt0&feature=related | Jan 09 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | MikeyC: Nuke 'em if it comes to that | Jan 09 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | then nobody wins | Jan 09 20:40 |
| schestowitz | MikeyC: it's cold here, yeah...all ice... after a very, very hot 2009 | Jan 09 20:41 |
| MinceR | "Nuke 'em till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark!" | Jan 09 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | exactly | Jan 09 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 09 20:41 |
| schestowitz | MikeyC: Russia overstretch, bullied abroad and focused too much manpower on military | Jan 09 20:41 |
| schestowitz | I think that another US* (not USSR) which makes the same mistakes sadly | Jan 09 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | when the military is more than 2-3% of your country's GDP, you're going to have stability problems | Jan 09 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | I think ours was like 5%-ish | Jan 09 20:42 |
| schestowitz | MikeyC: last month the US economy officially (i.e. not real #s) lost over 100k jobs and the press is raving about a recession ending because high streets (wealth market) absorb the bailout and rise | Jan 09 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, 4.28% according to the World Bank | Jan 09 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | it's actually come down | Jan 09 20:43 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know it was Truman who wanted to nuke Japan | Jan 09 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | ahhh, it came down to 3.05% in 1999 | Jan 09 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | and has been going up ever since | Jan 09 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Truman is the one who got into a fight with MacArthur over the order to throw 20-30 nukes on China after it had intervened in the North Korea conflict | Jan 09 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | Reagan had the military up to 6% of our GDP | Jan 09 20:44 |
| MikeyC | The Russians have produced tremendous chess players, i'm sure they'll have played out most of the end games already, (and probably theChinese too:) | Jan 09 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | must have been "Star Wars" | Jan 09 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | scare the Russians with space based death rays | Jan 09 20:45 |
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| MikeyC | i bet they've been waiting patiently all these years for us to dig our own graves... | Jan 09 20:45 |
| MikeyC | or maybe not:) | Jan 09 20:46 |
| MikeyC | Hey Roy, you say you are studying the Russian Empire and its collapse, do you know the origins of the Russian Empire? | Jan 09 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | MikeyC: space programs too | Jan 09 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Chess was an education propaganda for the Stalinist regime as I understand it | Jan 09 20:54 |
| schestowitz | MikeyC: no, I know almost nothing prior to the Bolshevik revolution | Jan 09 20:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Programmers Need To Learn Statistics Or I Will Kill Them All http://zedshaw.com/essays/programmer_stats.html HT @mia_out | Jan 09 21:00 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell #Ballnux and #MSI / #HP Return, More #Ballnux at #CES 2010 http://ur1.ca/jg4z | Jan 09 21:04 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] In fact, just submitted to Slashdot. http://is.gd/5YuN6 Please vote up for the good of computer science. | Jan 09 21:07 | |
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| schestowitz | MikeyC: look up some stuff on Chalmers Johnson too. He's well read in this subject | Jan 09 21:19 |
| MikeyC | ok will do royston, just going for a cheeky walk in the snow, might not happen for a while, see you in a bit matey, keep your eye out for them chinese on the horizon1 | Jan 09 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://www.boliven.com/patent/US5214742 | Jan 09 21:45 |
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| DaemonFC | That was the patent FhG accused Vorbis of infringing several years ago | Jan 09 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | it expires this year, in October | Jan 09 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 09 21:45 |
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| neighborlee | http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel/28569 < nice I'd missed this initially | Jan 09 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, neighborlee | Jan 09 21:51 |
| schestowitz | No PM | Jan 09 21:51 |
| neighborlee | bah | Jan 09 21:52 |
| neighborlee | but ok ;) | Jan 09 21:52 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: I remember that E-mail | Jan 09 21:53 |
| neighborlee | ah yes | Jan 09 21:53 |
| neighborlee | its refreshing to see people have the courage of their convictions | Jan 09 21:54 |
| neighborlee | very refreshing | Jan 09 21:54 |
| neighborlee | but anyway yeah I look fwd to speaking to vexorian,,I love his vies | Jan 09 21:54 |
| neighborlee | views | Jan 09 21:54 |
| neighborlee | they 100% mimic my own | Jan 09 21:55 |
| neighborlee | maybe a long lost brother or something LOL < hey john is that you ?> | Jan 09 21:55 |
| schestowitz | I think he's from South America | Jan 09 21:59 |
| neighborlee | ah | Jan 09 22:05 |
| neighborlee | unity3d is mono based ? < if true , that one game engine ill never use> ( comment seen by directhex on ubuntu forum IF true) | Jan 09 22:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Anyone know of a good wireless/bluetooth game controller to let me play games on the Revo behind the telly. Fancy some MAME goodness #fb | Jan 09 22:07 | |
| MinceR | http://www.twolumps.net/comics/20100108.jpg | Jan 09 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | Hey wallc_ | Jan 09 22:31 |
| wallc_ | Roy, help help... | Jan 09 22:31 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jan 09 22:32 |
| *schestowitz throws buoy | Jan 09 22:32 | |
| wallc_ | Help me understand what the email was about...I'm confuzed | Jan 09 22:32 |
| schestowitz | I've just mailed you back | Jan 09 22:32 |
| schestowitz | PJ is not familiar with many smoking guns | Jan 09 22:32 |
| wallc_ | ok, i'll go check...brb | Jan 09 22:32 |
| schestowitz | She didn't know about EDGI till I told her last month | Jan 09 22:33 |
| wallc_ | ok...is it that you are sending references to the BN web pages, and she's wanting a way to verify the original source? | Jan 09 22:34 |
| wallc_ | Has it been transcribed? | Jan 09 22:35 |
| wallc_ | (thanks for the bouy, by the way :) | Jan 09 22:35 |
| wallc_ | *buoy* | Jan 09 22:35 |
| wallc_ | buoys and gulls... | Jan 09 22:36 |
| wallc_ | (sorry) | Jan 09 22:36 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 09 22:36 |
| wallc_ | Hi MinceR! how are you today? | Jan 09 22:36 |
| MinceR | fine | Jan 09 22:37 |
| wallc_ | :) | Jan 09 22:37 |
| wallc_ | It's really quiet here, did DaemonFC take a nap? | Jan 09 22:37 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: the PDFs are there | Jan 09 22:37 |
| schestowitz | And she should not be wary of BN URLs, either | Jan 09 22:37 |
| wallc_ | where? | Jan 09 22:37 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: daemon was very noisy when he was here | Jan 09 22:38 |
| schestowitz | It was like a monologue | Jan 09 22:38 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: the Winfield anti-Linux presentation | Jan 09 22:38 |
| wallc_ | tell me which ones in specific and I'll go through them and compare them to the ones on GL and make sure they are ok | Jan 09 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Which was the page in GL again? | Jan 09 22:39 |
| schestowitz | I haven't seen it since it started | Jan 09 22:39 |
| wallc_ | Winfield...Is it part of a BN article? or is it only in the wiki? | Jan 09 22:39 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: here's the thing | Jan 09 22:39 |
| wallc_ | yes? | Jan 09 22:39 |
| schestowitz | The danger, as I see it, is that of saturation | Jan 09 22:39 |
| schestowitz | If Groklaw puts up _all_ the exhibit, then it spreads the smoke | Jan 09 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Highlights or sound bites sometimes work better, esp. if time is limited (TV show, film, impatient audience) | Jan 09 22:40 |
| wallc_ | but it's meant to be an archive, searchable, verified, and organized...which is an excellent thing to do. | Jan 09 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Comes is past and the present is also important to track. I don't know how we managed not to be distracted by the many exhibits we did | Jan 09 22:40 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: there's more than just Comes | Jan 09 22:41 |
| wallc_ | I think you're viewing it wrong. | Jan 09 22:41 |
| schestowitz | And marbux mailed me with some index of US DOJ vs MSFT exhibits | Jan 09 22:41 |
| schestowitz | There's lots more | Jan 09 22:41 |
| schestowitz | And testimonies too | Jan 09 22:41 |
| schestowitz | To get it all archives is path to OCD | Jan 09 22:42 |
| wallc_ | That's why it all needs to be organized. | Jan 09 22:42 |
| schestowitz | It is organised in a way | Jan 09 22:42 |
| schestowitz | The order of the PDFs is not random | Jan 09 22:42 |
| schestowitz | You can go one by one and can a sense of what topic goes where | Jan 09 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Early exhibits are IBM and OS/2 | Jan 09 22:42 |
| schestowitz | I hope Groklaw lays them bear | Jan 09 22:43 |
| schestowitz | People don't read archives much, they want news | Jan 09 22:43 |
| wallc_ | But GL is about law, and lots of lawyers read it, it's no different than setting up a public library, it doesn't mean that others can't also have the materials, but if it's in a well organized library, everyone can find the info they need... | Jan 09 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Shelf life of pages is not the same as it used to be, but still... it's better than newspaper (1 day) or magazine (week/month) | Jan 09 22:43 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: fair point | Jan 09 22:44 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: I hope you're passing some exhibits we did in BN to GL | Jan 09 22:45 |
| wallc_ | I don't know how marbux is, for sure, but I'm not sure I'd trust him/her, as far as accuracy. | Jan 09 22:45 |
| schestowitz | It would put to good use the work of many of us | Jan 09 22:45 |
| wallc_ | how>who | Jan 09 22:45 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: me neither, but he keeps mailing me | Jan 09 22:45 |
| wallc_ | Yes, exactly. And the more accurate the better...PJ just needs things to be authenticated as best they can be. | Jan 09 22:46 |
| wallc_ | now, back to the Winfield document, does it need transcribing? | Jan 09 22:48 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: about marbux | Jan 09 22:48 |
| schestowitz | It's odd | Jan 09 22:48 |
| schestowitz | He seems like a pleasant person | Jan 09 22:48 |
| wallc_ | i seem to remember that marbux turned ugly over the ODF fiasco... | Jan 09 22:49 |
| schestowitz | He just doesn't trust IBM and neither do I | Jan 09 22:49 |
| schestowitz | But he tries to make others hate IBM too | Jan 09 22:49 |
| schestowitz | I've mailed him many hundreds of times | Jan 09 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Back in the days | Jan 09 22:49 |
| wallc_ | maybe I'm remembering wrong. | Jan 09 22:49 |
| schestowitz | ANd I do try to keep open minded; you should, too :-) | Jan 09 22:49 |
| schestowitz | WInfield doc is done, wallc_ | Jan 09 22:50 |
| schestowitz | It shows Microsoft talking about bribing partners | Jan 09 22:50 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: he was with ~ge and Hiser in ODF FOundation | Jan 09 22:50 |
| schestowitz | So he had vested interests | Jan 09 22:50 |
| schestowitz | And IBM stood in their way in a sense | Jan 09 22:51 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't mean ODF "Sucks" | Jan 09 22:51 |
| wallc_ | anyway, let's do this...if there are any particular documents you think PJ should have in her archive, tell me which ones and I'll check it to make sure all's well, and will transcribe it and send it to her... | Jan 09 22:51 |
| schestowitz | It just means ODF Foundation won't like it when Sun and IBM have more control over ODF than they (ge and bunch) do | Jan 09 22:51 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: how are they searched BTW | Jan 09 22:51 |
| schestowitz | I wondered this before | Jan 09 22:51 |
| schestowitz | I saw them filing with summary in a bix index | Jan 09 22:52 |
| wallc_ | well, if I understand correctly... | Jan 09 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Geeklog has a search facility not so sophisticated | Jan 09 22:52 |
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| sebsebseb | Hi | Jan 09 22:53 |
| MinceR | hay | Jan 09 22:53 |
| wallc_ | what she needs is for the various documents to at least be accompanied by keywords or phrases, or a short synopsis of the content, to make it searchable. I think everything will be linked to the exhibits listed too...it's so complicated. All I know how to do is type stuff... :) | Jan 09 22:53 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Hello | Jan 09 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Just posted: http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/09/novl-plugs-in-the-press/ | Jan 09 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | Now, *that's* a long post | Jan 09 22:54 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: BN wiki does that | Jan 09 22:54 |
| schestowitz | But it gives links, not free text | Jan 09 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Also incomplete | Jan 09 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw is CC | Jan 09 22:55 |
| schestowitz | So I don't mind if they just graft stuff from our Wiki, which was also relicensed as CC (was GNU, but fewa wanted to make it Wikipedia compatible) | Jan 09 22:55 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: http://twitter.com/kev_crossbost/statuses/7555526601 | Jan 09 22:57 |
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| wallc_ | Well, if there's any in particular you want her to have, let me know. | Jan 09 22:57 |
| schestowitz | I'd like to make it the inverse :-) | Jan 09 22:58 |
| schestowitz | If you see something there which is good, then let me know | Jan 09 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Then I'll do a post about it | Jan 09 22:58 |
| wallc_ | I'll double check everything so she'll know where it came from and if it matches the original. it's a lot of work for her to do it all herself. | Jan 09 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Cause I don't know where to look for smoking guns ATM | Jan 09 22:58 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: yeah, BN is not a legal site | Jan 09 22:58 |
| neighborlee | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1125311&page=18 < another reason I could care less what ubuntu does now, or in the future | Jan 09 22:59 |
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| neighborlee | until they recant that opinion. | Jan 09 22:59 |
| wallc_ | But...I thought that was what started this whole conversation, and the email...because you DID know where some smoking guns were and wanted pj to see them...(sigh) | Jan 09 22:59 |
| neighborlee | tilll then..thank god linux has 'alternatives' ;) | Jan 09 22:59 |
| neighborlee | anyone that uses ubuntu, is just preaching mono support | Jan 09 23:00 |
| neighborlee | imho | Jan 09 23:00 |
| neighborlee | :) | Jan 09 23:00 |
| wallc_ | neighborlee, did gremlins swap you for a troll? I don't remember you being like this before...is someone else using your nick? | Jan 09 23:01 |
| wallc_ | anyway, I need to get back to work... | Jan 09 23:01 |
| wallc_ | later kids! :) | Jan 09 23:01 |
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| neighborlee | o_0 | Jan 09 23:03 |
| neighborlee | what does speaking facts, have to do with trolling last time I checked ? | Jan 09 23:03 |
| neighborlee | sorry my facts , were so disruptive to your brain stem | Jan 09 23:04 |
| neighborlee | SHEESH | Jan 09 23:04 |
| neighborlee | :) | Jan 09 23:04 |
| neighborlee | and btw,,my stance on 'just preaching mono support' is mirrored by other people, so its not just me 'being a troll', thank you very little :) | Jan 09 23:06 |
| neighborlee | vaxorian also shares this...opinion. | Jan 09 23:06 |
| neighborlee | but I digress ;) | Jan 09 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Lots of hostilities here today :-( | Jan 09 23:07 |
| MinceR | maybe you're not a troll, but a genuine idiot. | Jan 09 23:07 |
| schestowitz | wallc (if you see logs): yes, we already have that item, I just needed _pj_ to see them and be aware of them | Jan 09 23:07 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I see how you can interpret it this way | Jan 09 23:08 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee criticised Mono for ages, he tries Linux, but he talks about how VIsta is good | Jan 09 23:08 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: what lets you down? | Jan 09 23:09 |
| schestowitz | h/w support? | Jan 09 23:09 |
| schestowitz | But preinstalled | Jan 09 23:09 |
| schestowitz | *Buy | Jan 09 23:09 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: your a total jerk you know that | Jan 09 23:09 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100107/1148587662.shtml | Jan 09 23:09 |
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| neighborlee | MinceR: and isnt it frankfully joyful, that your opinion of ME, is NOT necessary to my function ;) | Jan 09 23:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Yay! wiimote + wminput + xmame + ubuntu = Great fun playing old school arcade games | Jan 09 23:09 | |
| neighborlee | WHEW | Jan 09 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Try it | Jan 09 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Wiimote does many things on Linux | Jan 09 23:10 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: I have no choice, but to use vista | Jan 09 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Why? | Jan 09 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Work s/w? | Jan 09 23:10 |
| MinceR | maybe ballmer pays him to | Jan 09 23:10 |
| schestowitz | You're not required to run some app that cannot be wined, I think | Jan 09 23:10 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: i don't care about nor need your function | Jan 09 23:11 |
| neighborlee | at least with windows,,I know what the poison is and why its there..linux should know better than to be poisoned, because its FOSS ideology should PRECLUDE use of mono in the first place..I EXPECT .net in microsoft products,,not in foss | Jan 09 23:11 |
| neighborlee | thats the difference roy | Jan 09 23:11 |
| MinceR | does knowing the "poison" protect you from it? | Jan 09 23:12 |
| neighborlee | that has nothing to do with it | Jan 09 23:12 |
| MinceR | i see, making sense as usual | Jan 09 23:12 |
| neighborlee | fact I use windows is none of your business, other than to argue with me over its merits | Jan 09 23:12 |
| neighborlee | on that point..fine bring it on | Jan 09 23:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Santa-Fe-WiFi-Fears-Keep-Getting-Weirder-106308 | Jan 09 23:12 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: your remark does not compute | Jan 09 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Haha | Jan 09 23:13 |
| schestowitz | It's actually very poor | Jan 09 23:13 |
| neighborlee | excuse m e ? | Jan 09 23:13 |
| neighborlee | show me.. | Jan 09 23:13 |
| neighborlee | :) | Jan 09 23:13 |
| schestowitz | So you're saying, "give me DRM, but not something more harmless that also 'Free' software?" | Jan 09 23:13 |
| neighborlee | your not getting what im saying roy | Jan 09 23:14 |
| MinceR | nobody is | Jan 09 23:14 |
| schestowitz | I think I do | Jan 09 23:14 |
| MinceR | i wonder why | Jan 09 23:14 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: are you capable of anything except insults ? | Jan 09 23:14 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: that's why I told you to use KDE | Jan 09 23:14 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jan 09 23:14 |
| neighborlee | how old are you anyway | Jan 09 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Even Xfce, blackbox, whatever | Jan 09 23:14 |
| schestowitz | There's more to Linux than GNOME | Jan 09 23:14 |
| neighborlee | your point is illogical | Jan 09 23:14 |
| schestowitz | ANd there's more to GTK than GNOME | Jan 09 23:15 |
| schestowitz | GTK predates it | Jan 09 23:15 |
| neighborlee | irrlevant | Jan 09 23:15 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: are you insecure about your age? (i.e. how many years you've managed to spend not dying) | Jan 09 23:15 |
| neighborlee | irrelevant | Jan 09 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Use lxde | Jan 09 23:15 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: most definitely not | Jan 09 23:15 |
| neighborlee | th epoint is..anyone that uses ubuntu doesn't get the mono 'debate' at all | Jan 09 23:15 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: here's the thing | Jan 09 23:16 |
| neighborlee | the point is not about removing mono, the point is not using it at all to begin with | Jan 09 23:16 |
| schestowitz | 1) I didn't ask you why you don't use Mono | Jan 09 23:16 |
| schestowitz | I asked why you don't use Linux | Jan 09 23:16 |
| neighborlee | and ve xorian agrees with me 100% | Jan 09 23:16 |
| schestowitz | 2) How does the comparison with Windows make ethical sense? | Jan 09 23:16 |
| neighborlee | as does fedora apparantly ;) | Jan 09 23:16 |
| MinceR | sadly, this (possibly fictitous) "vexorian" person isn't here | Jan 09 23:16 |
| neighborlee | and you call me an idiot ? | Jan 09 23:16 |
| neighborlee | gah | Jan 09 23:17 |
| schestowitz | hag! | Jan 09 23:17 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: educate him | Jan 09 23:17 |
| *schestowitz pulls out a cane | Jan 09 23:17 | |
| neighborlee | lol | Jan 09 23:17 |
| *MinceR prefers Kane | Jan 09 23:17 | |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: why I dont use inux | Jan 09 23:18 |
| neighborlee | or even linux | Jan 09 23:18 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: because I reinstalled, and because atm Im deciding which linux to invest my time in | Jan 09 23:18 |
| MinceR | because linux is ubuntu, ubuntu is mono, and vista doesn't have mono? | Jan 09 23:18 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: im also waiting to get a external hard drive, with which to install linux ON | Jan 09 23:18 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: so there ya go ;) | Jan 09 23:18 |
| MinceR | there are only 3 errors in that part of your "reasoning" | Jan 09 23:19 |
| neighborlee | my use of windows, has nothing to do with my belief of its 'superiority' | Jan 09 23:19 |
| MinceR | (but errors in "reasoning" is all that can be expected from a creationist :> ) | Jan 09 23:19 |
| neighborlee | or its ethical merits or lack thereof | Jan 09 23:19 |
| neighborlee | :) | Jan 09 23:19 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: I would have thought you knew me, better than that :)) | Jan 09 23:19 |
| neighborlee | I stand corrected ;) | Jan 09 23:19 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: is your use of windows an axiom then? :> | Jan 09 23:20 |
| neighborlee | it is, what it is. | Jan 09 23:20 |
| neighborlee | Im so very sorry if you have a problem , with what is. | Jan 09 23:20 |
| schestowitz | fewa: "US President Barack Obama promised on Saturday that Americans will see the effects of health reform this year, saying Congress is "on the verge" of approving the overhaul the nation's health care system." http://rawstory.com/2010/01/obama-healths-reforms-felt-year/ | Jan 09 23:21 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Obama: Healths reforms will be felt this year | Raw Story .::. Size~: 40.74 KB | Jan 09 23:21 |
| schestowitz | [23:18] <neighborlee> schestowitz: so there ya go ;) | Jan 09 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Let us know how it goes, we can help here | Jan 09 23:21 |
| neighborlee | I'll prob. go for archlinux | Jan 09 23:22 |
| neighborlee | specifically..chakra | Jan 09 23:22 |
| schestowitz | No, it's not easy | Jan 09 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Try Mint | Jan 09 23:22 |
| neighborlee | because no mono out of the box | Jan 09 23:22 |
| neighborlee | and because: kde out of box ;) | Jan 09 23:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | Jan 09 23:22 |
| schestowitz | It has Mono, more of it | Jan 09 23:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | I use debian | Jan 09 23:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know why? | Jan 09 23:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | NO NOTHING OUT OF THE BOX | Jan 09 23:23 |
| schestowitz | But it'll be easy for you | Jan 09 23:23 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: not out of the box | Jan 09 23:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | NOTHING AT ALL | Jan 09 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Mint KDE amybe | Jan 09 23:23 |
| schestowitz | *maybe | Jan 09 23:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | apt-get install xfce4 | Jan 09 23:23 |
| neighborlee | Diablo-D3: debian sucks..they hate women, and they use mono in gnome | Jan 09 23:23 |
| neighborlee | next | Jan 09 23:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | neighborlee: wrong | Jan 09 23:23 |
| neighborlee | right | Jan 09 23:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnome is not installed by default | Jan 09 23:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | thus your argument is useless | Jan 09 23:23 |
| neighborlee | you know what im referring to | Jan 09 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Perfect for Diablo-D3 then, neighborlee | Jan 09 23:23 |
| neighborlee | im sure you do, so stop it | Jan 09 23:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | neighborlee: and I already bitched loudly over the gnome shit way before you did | Jan 09 23:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | so step off, poser | Jan 09 23:23 |
| neighborlee | good-for-you | Jan 09 23:24 |
| neighborlee | im SO proud | Jan 09 23:24 |
| neighborlee | pfft | Jan 09 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Look who's talking.... | Jan 09 23:24 |
| schestowitz | [23:23] <Diablo-D3> so step off, poser | Jan 09 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Ha! | Jan 09 23:24 |
| MinceR | 002243 < neighborlee> Diablo-D3: debian sucks..they hate women, and they use mono in gnome | Jan 09 23:24 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 09 23:24 |
| neighborlee | you debate that ? | Jan 09 23:24 |
| MinceR | more anti-FLOSS FUD | Jan 09 23:24 |
| ThistleWeb | another stint of neighborlee on meds then, 2 nights in a row | Jan 09 23:24 |
| neighborlee | no , more facts! | Jan 09 23:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | I've been using Debian for over a decade | Jan 09 23:24 |
| MinceR | well, he could certainly use meds | Jan 09 23:25 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/01/review-court-decision-blackwater-killings/ | Jan 09 23:25 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: US to review court decision on Blackwater killings | Raw Story .::. Size~: 35.15 KB | Jan 09 23:25 |
| neighborlee | Diablo-D3: I care | Jan 09 23:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | so, really, suck my dick | Jan 09 23:25 |
| neighborlee | Diablo-D3: no really..I dont like unclean things | Jan 09 23:25 |
| neighborlee | so,,no thanks | Jan 09 23:25 |
| ThistleWeb | 2 nights in a row he arrives to fight | Jan 09 23:25 |
| neighborlee | :) | Jan 09 23:25 |
| ThistleWeb | that I've noticed | Jan 09 23:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | anyhow, for those who actually care about the gnome issue | Jan 09 23:25 |
| ThistleWeb | maybe more | Jan 09 23:25 |
| MinceR | btw, does mint kde even exist? | Jan 09 23:25 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: Debian is not one guy | Jan 09 23:25 |
| neighborlee | and I dont care..KDE ROCKS!! | Jan 09 23:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | xfce4 is more featureful than gnome, uses gtk, and is much smaller | Jan 09 23:25 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: again..I care | Jan 09 23:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | much much much smaller | Jan 09 23:25 |
| ThistleWeb | mint kde is still on 7 but it's very nice | Jan 09 23:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | the xfce wm also has a built in compositor | Jan 09 23:25 |
| neighborlee | they didn't speak up loud enough when this was going on..as if women were a inferior species or something | Jan 09 23:25 |
| neighborlee | pa-lease | Jan 09 23:26 |
| schestowitz | If one debian developer is gay/homophobic/misogynist it doesn't mean all are | Jan 09 23:26 |
| MinceR | so no kde edition in the latest release | Jan 09 23:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: according to microsoft shills like neighborlee, it does | Jan 09 23:26 |
| neighborlee | Diablo-D3: prove it | Jan 09 23:26 |
| neighborlee | I dare you | Jan 09 23:26 |
| ThistleWeb | mint is gnome normally, only the gnome edition is onto mint 8 so far | Jan 09 23:26 |
| neighborlee | oh wait~: you can't | Jan 09 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft loves women cause the marketing/PR department of the company nicely mixes blacks, white, Asians, women in ads :-) | Jan 09 23:27 |
| *MinceR proves it | Jan 09 23:27 | |
| schestowitz | Unless it's in Poland | Jan 09 23:27 |
| MinceR | 002243 < neighborlee> Diablo-D3: debian sucks..they hate women, and they use mono in gnome | Jan 09 23:27 |
| ThistleWeb | xfce and kde are on the way though | Jan 09 23:27 |
| MinceR | wow, it was so difficult | Jan 09 23:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | ThistleWeb: I booted mint livecd the other day | Jan 09 23:27 |
| MinceR | anything else you need proven, neighborlee? | Jan 09 23:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | ThistleWeb: its insane what they did to gnome | Jan 09 23:27 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: and your point is ? | Jan 09 23:27 |
| ThistleWeb | flux has fallen away a bit due to being a smaller number of devs | Jan 09 23:27 |
| schestowitz | In reality, Microsoft is predominantly males, increasingly from Asia (whether they work there or come to the US with visa) | Jan 09 23:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | ThistleWeb: its almost like using vista/7 | Jan 09 23:27 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: my point is that you're spreading anti-FLOSS FUD straight from other m$ apologists | Jan 09 23:27 |
| ThistleWeb | Diablo-D3: dunno, I use xfce | Jan 09 23:27 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: oh I get it..you hate inconvenient truths ;)<oops> | Jan 09 23:27 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: also, you're making a clown out of yourself | Jan 09 23:27 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: nice mirror you got there | Jan 09 23:28 |
| ThistleWeb | gnome has very little for me | Jan 09 23:28 |
| neighborlee | definitely none for me | Jan 09 23:28 |
| neighborlee | thanks to kde new license change | Jan 09 23:28 |
| ThistleWeb | apart from the mint menu, I quite like that | Jan 09 23:28 |
| neighborlee | whew | Jan 09 23:28 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: i see you've reached the kindergarten level of debate. congratulations | Jan 09 23:28 |
| neighborlee | sorry my facts are so inconvenient for you | Jan 09 23:28 |
| MinceR | you have yet to show facts | Jan 09 23:28 |
| neighborlee | check your logs..your the one that DEScends into childish antics | Jan 09 23:29 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: these are not factsa | Jan 09 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Debian took the Moulette [sic/spelling ] very seriously | Jan 09 23:29 |
| schestowitz | And remember what he actually did, there's much worse | Jan 09 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Reiser did worse | Jan 09 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Does it mean that Linux hackers kill their wives with knives? | Jan 09 23:29 |
| neighborlee | reiser ??? | Jan 09 23:29 |
| ThistleWeb | has neighborlee always been this much of an asswipe? I remember him / her being a regular chatter here..unless I'm thinking of someone else | Jan 09 23:29 |
| neighborlee | you must be kidding roy | Jan 09 23:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | ThistleWeb: xfce is wondeful isnt it? | Jan 09 23:30 |
| ThistleWeb | that's 2 nights in a row now | Jan 09 23:30 |
| neighborlee | ThistleWeb: again..you and mince like to attack with colorful insults dont you <way to go> | Jan 09 23:30 |
| neighborlee | way to stay above the gutter line guys | Jan 09 23:30 |
| neighborlee | <3 cheers> | Jan 09 23:30 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: tough crowd :-) | Jan 09 23:30 |
| ThistleWeb | xfce is very nice yes, it's under appreciated | Jan 09 23:30 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: I can too..but I prefer clean debates unlike my esteemed 'coleagues' | Jan 09 23:31 |
| schestowitz | x-face | Jan 09 23:31 |
| neighborlee | ahem-0 | Jan 09 23:31 |
| neighborlee | I dont like xfce really..I appreciate its lightness | Jan 09 23:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: dude, we dont have time for trolls, just ban neighborlee already | Jan 09 23:31 |
| neighborlee | Diablo-D3: prove im a troll | Jan 09 23:32 |
| neighborlee | I dare ya | Jan 09 23:32 |
| MinceR | we apparently do have time for plenty of trolls | Jan 09 23:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | [06:31:35] <neighborlee> Diablo-D3: prove im a troll | Jan 09 23:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | [06:31:36] <neighborlee> I dare ya | Jan 09 23:32 |
| neighborlee | oh wait,YOU Can't | Jan 09 23:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | There, I just proved it. | Jan 09 23:32 |
| neighborlee | well then do it | Jan 09 23:32 |
| ThistleWeb | all he's done tonight and last night is argue | Jan 09 23:32 |
| ThistleWeb | that I've noticed anyway | Jan 09 23:32 |
| neighborlee | no you postulated that Im a troll..far different from PROVING it | Jan 09 23:32 |
| neighborlee | I guess proving it , is beyond your capability ? | Jan 09 23:32 |
| MinceR | arguing by itself is no problem. the problem is the way he tries to do it | Jan 09 23:32 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah true | Jan 09 23:33 |
| ThistleWeb | as I said, I dont remember him being a regular troll, but he has been the last couple of nights | Jan 09 23:33 |
| ThistleWeb | anyone can have a bad day | Jan 09 23:33 |
| neighborlee | ok..now you have ONE fact right | Jan 09 23:33 |
| MinceR | he had a session before, though not on this topic | Jan 09 23:33 |
| neighborlee | bravo!!!! | Jan 09 23:33 |
| schestowitz | http://arebentisch.wordpress.com/2010/01/09/list-of-european-parliament-intergroups-for-2010-2014/ | Jan 09 23:33 |
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| MinceR | he argued for creationism once | Jan 09 23:34 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Jan 09 23:34 |
| neighborlee | LO | Jan 09 23:34 |
| MinceR | at a similar intellectual level | Jan 09 23:34 |
| neighborlee | prove it mince | Jan 09 23:34 |
| neighborlee | because your an athiest, is that it ? | Jan 09 23:34 |
| neighborlee | my comment really mad you angry, it seems ? | Jan 09 23:34 |
| MinceR | i think now we can safely replace neighborlee with a bot that randomly says "prove it $nick" | Jan 09 23:34 |
| ThistleWeb | ahh very much a sign of a troll, answer everything with "prove it" | Jan 09 23:34 |
| ThistleWeb | all designed to prolong the fight | Jan 09 23:34 |
| neighborlee | LOL | Jan 09 23:34 |
| neighborlee | good try..good for me roy is smarter than either of you | Jan 09 23:35 |
| neighborlee | <whew> | Jan 09 23:35 |
| ThistleWeb | at which point anything you do will be debated, and told again "prove it" | Jan 09 23:35 |
| neighborlee | on a BAD day | Jan 09 23:35 |
| ThistleWeb | anyhoo, I've had enough of him | Jan 09 23:35 |
| neighborlee | LOO!! | Jan 09 23:35 |
| neighborlee | have you guyys never heard of 'peer review' ??? | Jan 09 23:35 |
| neighborlee | oh wait..your not scientists sorry, forgot that fact :) | Jan 09 23:35 |
| schestowitz | [23:34] <neighborlee> because your an athiest, is that it ? | Jan 09 23:35 |
| neighborlee | its kinda like PROve it | Jan 09 23:36 |
| neighborlee | get it ? | Jan 09 23:36 |
| schestowitz | What is atheist? | Jan 09 23:36 |
| schestowitz | It implies there is theism | Jan 09 23:36 |
| neighborlee | spelling | Jan 09 23:36 |
| neighborlee | so sue me ;) | Jan 09 23:36 |
| schestowitz | He's just human | Jan 09 23:36 |
| ThistleWeb | someone from Athei | Jan 09 23:36 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Jan 09 23:36 |
| MinceR | atheists believe that there are exactly 0 gods. by that definition i'm not an atheist. :> | Jan 09 23:36 |
| MinceR | ThistleWeb: lol | Jan 09 23:36 |
| schestowitz | It's like saying I'm ascientologist | Jan 09 23:36 |
| schestowitz | I choose not to believe in Scientology | Jan 09 23:36 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: I was asking what your problem with my creationism comment was, if you missed it | Jan 09 23:36 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: as do I | Jan 09 23:36 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: too expensive for starters o_0 | Jan 09 23:37 |
| *ThistleWeb worships the sun, though he must have missed a few sessions recently and is getting punished by the cold weather ;) | Jan 09 23:37 | |
| schestowitz | I'm an aspaghettimonster | Jan 09 23:37 |
| MinceR | you don't believe in the FSM? *gasp* | Jan 09 23:37 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: I worship it too | Jan 09 23:38 |
| schestowitz | The Sun is grovy | Jan 09 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Without it, there would be no life | Jan 09 23:38 |
| schestowitz | It created everything | Jan 09 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Like plants | Jan 09 23:38 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: makes sense actually..'my fathers house has many mansions'..as many as fsm has tentacles maybe ;) | Jan 09 23:38 |
| schestowitz | They make their food by converting the sun's energy | Jan 09 23:38 |
| schestowitz | And then up the food chain | Jan 09 23:38 |
| MinceR | George Carlin said he worships the Sun but prays to Joe Pesci, iirc | Jan 09 23:38 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: you little pagan you | Jan 09 23:38 |
| ThistleWeb | yep lol | Jan 09 23:38 |
| ThistleWeb | that's where I drew that line from | Jan 09 23:38 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: yeah, how dares he worship something other than you do? | Jan 09 23:39 |
| schestowitz | My God is a big blob of gas | Jan 09 23:39 |
| schestowitz | There are many Gods like it | Jan 09 23:39 |
| ThistleWeb | cos Joe Pesci gets shit done | Jan 09 23:39 |
| ThistleWeb | with a baseball bat | Jan 09 23:39 |
| schestowitz | hundreds of billions if I recall the estimations correctly | Jan 09 23:39 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: you missed my heart felt jolly there ..but then all you want to seeming concentrate on his the negative..braveo for taking the LOW ROAD dude | Jan 09 23:39 |
| schestowitz | [23:37] <MinceR> you don't believe in the FSM? *gasp* | Jan 09 23:39 |
| schestowitz | I do in a way | Jan 09 23:39 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: if this is your heart feeling jolly then you're living a sad life | Jan 09 23:39 |
| schestowitz | I'm just giving it room | Jan 09 23:39 |
| schestowitz | There's probability | Jan 09 23:39 |
| MinceR | a very sad one | Jan 09 23:40 |
| schestowitz | I'm waiting for evidence | Jan 09 23:40 |
| ThistleWeb | it just occurred to me, I hardly have anyone on IRC worth ignoring, he's speshul | Jan 09 23:40 |
| neighborlee | no , you are just living in the negative atm. | Jan 09 23:40 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: can you explain to us "pagans" what that even means? | Jan 09 23:40 |
| neighborlee | you wanted to see bad in my reply to roy, so you highlighted it..bravo for taking the LOW road mince | Jan 09 23:40 |
| MinceR | do i live in an antimatter universe or something? | Jan 09 23:40 |
| neighborlee | apparantly, you dol. | Jan 09 23:40 |
| neighborlee | do. | Jan 09 23:40 |
| ThistleWeb | are pagans people who worship newspapers? I'm sure the worship of pages counts | Jan 09 23:41 |
| neighborlee | as in anti-usesbrain for something other than dust cloth | Jan 09 23:41 |
| MinceR | i guess it's a matter of whether the observer is made of matter or antimatter | Jan 09 23:41 |
| ThistleWeb | rupe would love a lot of them | Jan 09 23:41 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jan 09 23:41 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: i'm sure your pals in kindergarten admire that kind of "comeback", but nobody here does | Jan 09 23:41 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: enough pls | Jan 09 23:41 |
| neighborlee | LOL | Jan 09 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Don't offend others | Jan 09 23:41 |
| neighborlee | indeed | Jan 09 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Pagan is not an insult | Jan 09 23:41 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: will you tell this idiot the same thing too? | Jan 09 23:41 |
| neighborlee | exactly roy | Jan 09 23:42 |
| schestowitz | You're a devill...... and so am I!!!!!1 bwahahah | Jan 09 23:42 |
| MinceR | he does nothing but offend everyone who dares question his assertions | Jan 09 23:42 |
| neighborlee | but to him IT IS>.its a easy way "or he thinks' to 'attack me | Jan 09 23:42 |
| neighborlee | DUH!!!! | Jan 09 23:42 |
| MinceR | and it didn't start today, nor yesterday | Jan 09 23:42 |
| *schestowitz digs a 400KM hole in the ground | Jan 09 23:42 | |
| ThistleWeb | I'm guessing you guys are bored, usually trolls would be kicked | Jan 09 23:42 |
| MinceR | trolls rarely get kicked here | Jan 09 23:42 |
| neighborlee | good thing | Jan 09 23:43 |
| MinceR | we have DaemonFC, Diablo-D3 and neighborlee | Jan 09 23:43 |
| neighborlee | they get to show their true colors | Jan 09 23:43 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: of course | Jan 09 23:43 |
| schestowitz | They never do | Jan 09 23:43 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: why do you talk of yourself in the third person? | Jan 09 23:43 |
| ThistleWeb | surely the next best thing would be ignore his ass, and let him entertain himself with nobody responding to him | Jan 09 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Trolls are mythical creatures, sherlock | Jan 09 23:43 |
| neighborlee | that assumes I see myself as a trol | Jan 09 23:43 |
| neighborlee | l | Jan 09 23:43 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: true colours? | Jan 09 23:43 |
| neighborlee | since I dont..im correct, and your just a HACK!! | Jan 09 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Maybe blue, like in AVatar | Jan 09 23:43 |
| neighborlee | yes, true colors | Jan 09 23:43 |
| neighborlee | :) | Jan 09 23:43 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: who cares how _you_ see yourself? | Jan 09 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Shot the blue people!! The blue!! No...... the blue!!!! damn it | Jan 09 23:44 |
| ThistleWeb | that's what we had to do on yahoo rooms, but then we didn't have ops abilities to kick out the trash | Jan 09 23:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: do not include me with those two | Jan 09 23:44 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: as I said earlier and since you missed it ill repeat it for you dear: you opinion of me, is not necessary on any level, to-my-fuction | Jan 09 23:44 |
| neighborlee | sheesh | Jan 09 23:44 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: you often troll and you've even admitted to be a troll | Jan 09 23:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: unlike those two, I actually do support FOSS development, and also donate money to the cause. | Jan 09 23:44 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: your function is irrelevant | Jan 09 23:44 |
| neighborlee | says you! hahahaha | Jan 09 23:45 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: i'll have to give you that | Jan 09 23:45 |
| neighborlee | oh wait..your the giant FSM!! | Jan 09 23:45 |
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| *neighborlee bows to the FSM~!~ | Jan 09 23:45 | |
| MinceR | neighborlee: wrong | Jan 09 23:45 |
| neighborlee | RUN RUN RUN | Jan 09 23:45 |
| neighborlee | LOL!!! | Jan 09 23:45 |
| MinceR | and here comes another | Jan 09 23:45 |
| *neighborlee ignores dippy | Jan 09 23:45 | |
| neighborlee | carry on in irrelvancy | Jan 09 23:45 |
| yuhong | To debunk myths about 7 being a SP and stuff like that: | Jan 09 23:45 |
| yuhong | http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/04/26/412263.aspx | Jan 09 23:46 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: IEBlog : IE7 Transparent PNG Implementation .::. Size~: 169.57 KB | Jan 09 23:46 |
| yuhong | "As the dev who implemented the support, I can state that it was neither a bug-fix nor did it require a re-write of the display engine. Instead, it ended up being somewhere in-between the two and required what I would call ‘feature work.’ " | Jan 09 23:46 |
| neighborlee | yuhong: intriguing thanks o_0 | Jan 09 23:46 |
| MinceR | yuhong: and that somehow proves that vista7 is a completely new version? | Jan 09 23:46 |
| yuhong | Nope. | Jan 09 23:46 |
| MinceR | then i have trouble interpreting your "To debunk myths about 7 being a SP and stuff like that:" line | Jan 09 23:46 |
| yuhong | But 'feature work' like this is what Windows 7 is about. | Jan 09 23:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | 7 really is a SP | Jan 09 23:47 |
| yuhong | Nope. | Jan 09 23:47 |
| neighborlee | lol | Jan 09 23:47 |
| neighborlee | Diablo-D3: proof ? | Jan 09 23:47 |
| neighborlee | sorry,,,,there goes that PROOF crap again | Jan 09 23:47 |
| neighborlee | sorry guys,,its SO evil of me ;)) | Jan 09 23:47 |
| neighborlee | <EG> | Jan 09 23:47 |
| yuhong | It isn't, I often ask for evidence. | Jan 09 23:47 |
| MinceR | so reimplementing something so that it doesn't suck so much is beyond the scope of bugfixing now? | Jan 09 23:47 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: you have some collection of misfits (including myself) as regulars in here lol | Jan 09 23:48 |
| MinceR | just because the retards who did the code realized they had to throw large parts of it away? | Jan 09 23:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres nothing actually new in 7 | Jan 09 23:48 |
| neighborlee | rofl | Jan 09 23:48 |
| neighborlee | yuhong: thank you | Jan 09 23:48 |
| neighborlee | yuhong: I feel the rooms IQ growing | Jan 09 23:48 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: not true, it has a new skin! (based on KDE4 screenshots, i've heard) | Jan 09 23:48 |
| yuhong | It does, and there is other feature work. | Jan 09 23:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: 7 aero isnt that bad actually | Jan 09 23:48 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: Vista 7 is not an SP | Jan 09 23:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: I wish KDE4 was that good. | Jan 09 23:48 |
| yuhong | It isn't. | Jan 09 23:48 |
| schestowitz | They call it "Windows 7", not "Service Pack" | Jan 09 23:48 |
| schestowitz | So it's not an SP | Jan 09 23:48 |
| schestowitz | It's Vista changed and rebranded | Jan 09 23:49 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: i'm fine with KDE4 being a lot better :> | Jan 09 23:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | ITS A GUNDAM! | Jan 09 23:49 |
| *Diablo-D3 explodes | Jan 09 23:49 | |
| schestowitz | Like most versions | Jan 09 23:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: I cant get kde4 to look good out of the box | Jan 09 23:49 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: then you fail | Jan 09 23:49 |
| MinceR | probably even at installing it | Jan 09 23:49 |
| yuhong | It is Vista changed, but I would not called it a rebranded. | Jan 09 23:49 |
| schestowitz | With GNU/Linux it's different | Jan 09 23:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | I _can_ get 7 to look good out of the box. | Jan 09 23:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: no, kde4 is terminally bothed | Jan 09 23:49 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: no, you are. | Jan 09 23:49 |
| yuhong | And my point is about the changes. | Jan 09 23:49 |
| schestowitz | A new version of Ubuntu will have new Samba, OpenSSH, GNOME...... | Jan 09 23:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: xfce4, otoh, can also look good out of the box | Jan 09 23:49 |
| MinceR | i don't doubt that | Jan 09 23:50 |
| MinceR | (not that i like xfce) | Jan 09 23:50 |
| yuhong | schestowitz: And a Windows release would be similar too. | Jan 09 23:50 |
| ThistleWeb | all modern OS's "can" look good out of the box, that's just the visual sheen the user see's | Jan 09 23:50 |
| MinceR | yeah, a new version of windows will have a new skin, new bugfixes and new bugs | Jan 09 23:50 |
| schestowitz | More bugs then before | Jan 09 23:51 |
| MinceR | and maybe new ways to hide bugs that are still there | Jan 09 23:51 |
| yuhong | And feature work. | Jan 09 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Says Ryan (MVP) | Jan 09 23:51 |
| MinceR | (e.g. reboot on BSOD) | Jan 09 23:51 |
| neighborlee | I wish vista had been win7 YES<,,but am I willing to buy it yes..vista is too dain heavy , even after dismantling it to the point of being performance decent..windows 7 is performance light out of the box...and UAC works much better too...do I love linux more because its foss,,OF COURSE I do.and I dont appreciate anyone claiming otherise, since ive used linux SINCE REDHAT 5.2~~ | Jan 09 23:51 |
| schestowitz | /then/than/ | Jan 09 23:51 |
| yuhong | Reboot on BSoD is not new, dates back to 2k. | Jan 09 23:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | the largest 7 "performance fix" was just changing the timeslice length in the sched | Jan 09 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Many people love Brows/Orange like in Ubuntu | Jan 09 23:51 |
| yuhong | At least. | Jan 09 23:51 |
| MinceR | yeah, UAC works so much better -- it provides even less security | Jan 09 23:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | it was too damned long and everyone knows it | Jan 09 23:51 |
| MinceR | yuhong: i didn't say reboot on BSOD was introduced in vista or vista7 | Jan 09 23:52 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: nonsense | Jan 09 23:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not as good as BFS+1000mhz timer, but hey | Jan 09 23:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | for microsoft it isnt that bad | Jan 09 23:52 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: `yes, lesssecure | Jan 09 23:52 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: dont use fedora much ?..win7 uac is very similar to fedoras selinux!!!! | Jan 09 23:52 |
| ThistleWeb | ubuntu's brown / orange has gotten classier with each version, it used to be horrid | Jan 09 23:52 |
| schestowitz | The UAC changes led at least 2 firms to calling it a step back wrt security | Jan 09 23:52 |
| neighborlee | I mean comeon..keep up guys!! | Jan 09 23:52 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: http://www.osnews.com/story/21499/Why_Windows_7_s_Default_UAC_Is_Insecure | Jan 09 23:52 |
| neighborlee | :)) | Jan 09 23:52 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Why Windows 7's Default UAC Is Insecure .::. Size~: 22.24 KB | Jan 09 23:52 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: read and learn | Jan 09 23:52 |
| ThistleWeb | but colour schemes are all personal preference | Jan 09 23:52 |
| neighborlee | this coming from osnews ?? | Jan 09 23:52 |
| neighborlee | ill check other sources, thx. ;) | Jan 09 23:53 |
| MinceR | the first relevant hit on google | Jan 09 23:53 |
| *schestowitz likes KDE Oxygen | Jan 09 23:53 | |
| MinceR | search for 'uac notepad.exe' | Jan 09 23:53 |
| MinceR | and get a clue | Jan 09 23:53 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: as do I | Jan 09 23:53 |
| MinceR | 005159 < neighborlee> MinceR: dont use fedora much ?..win7 uac is very similar to fedoras selinux!!!! | Jan 09 23:53 |
| neighborlee | kde anything,and IM onboard.. | Jan 09 23:53 |
| neighborlee | I'm | Jan 09 23:53 |
| MinceR | obviously you have no clue about what uac or selinux are | Jan 09 23:53 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: do or did | Jan 09 23:53 |
| neighborlee | kvirc included | Jan 09 23:53 |
| schestowitz | ? | Jan 09 23:53 |
| neighborlee | do | Jan 09 23:53 |
| schestowitz | Do you have it installed? | Jan 09 23:53 |
| neighborlee | im using kvirc right now..in windows ;) | Jan 09 23:54 |
| neighborlee | I do | Jan 09 23:54 |
| neighborlee | dev version | Jan 09 23:54 |
| schestowitz | 4.4 rc? | Jan 09 23:54 |
| schestowitz | Should be good | Jan 09 23:54 |
| neighborlee | nono I meant kvirc | Jan 09 23:54 |
| schestowitz | What about KDE? | Jan 09 23:54 |
| neighborlee | but ,,ill remember that for future ref | Jan 09 23:54 |
| neighborlee | notyet | Jan 09 23:54 |
| neighborlee | linux isnt installed yet as I already noted | Jan 09 23:54 |
| yuhong | On UAC, the funny things about the Vista UAC complaints is that Vista UAC is kind of like a clone of sudo, there are differences like no timer though. | Jan 09 23:54 |
| schestowitz | [23:53] <neighborlee> schestowitz: as do I | Jan 09 23:54 |
| neighborlee | I can't until I get my external drive | Jan 09 23:54 |
| schestowitz | You love something you don't use? | Jan 09 23:54 |
| neighborlee | hehe | Jan 09 23:54 |
| schestowitz | It's free | Jan 09 23:55 |
| schestowitz | C'mon | Jan 09 23:55 |
| neighborlee | I was referring to kde/kvirc | Jan 09 23:55 |
| MinceR | he _claims_ to love something he doesn't use | Jan 09 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Make a partitiobn | Jan 09 23:55 |
| MinceR | big difference | Jan 09 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Even yuhong installed Ubuntu | Jan 09 23:55 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: heh | Jan 09 23:55 |
| MinceR | see also random m$ apologists starting their "argument" with "i love linux but..." | Jan 09 23:55 |
| schestowitz | And he's a Microsoft enthusiast | Jan 09 23:55 |
| neighborlee | thats the point!! | Jan 09 23:55 |
| yuhong | I am running Windows right now because I need Office 2007 for a course. | Jan 09 23:55 |
| neighborlee | he likes M$,,of course he doesn't mind MONO/.net! ;) | Jan 09 23:55 |
| yuhong | I am running Windows right now though because I need Office 2007 for a course. | Jan 09 23:55 |
| neighborlee | yuhong:no offense,your a cool dude | Jan 09 23:55 |
| MinceR | 005501 < neighborlee> he likes M$,,of course he doesn't mind MONO/.net! ;) | Jan 09 23:55 |
| neighborlee | I even like you ;)..I just dont like or trust mono/M$ | Jan 09 23:55 |
| MinceR | says the guy who runs winblows | Jan 09 23:55 |
| neighborlee | sorry, no offense < | Jan 09 23:55 |
| neighborlee | yuhong: sorry, no offense< | Jan 09 23:56 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: which winblows are you using? | Jan 09 23:56 |
| neighborlee | none meant,I hope none taken. | Jan 09 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Windows Reunion /sarcasm | Jan 09 23:56 |
| neighborlee | LOL | Jan 09 23:56 |
| schestowitz | We have a Windows picnic tomorrow (Sunday) | Jan 09 23:56 |
| MinceR | yeah, m$ shills being happy about each other | Jan 09 23:56 |
| schestowitz | 4pm gmt | Jan 09 23:56 |
| yuhong | I hasn't programming in .NET languages in a long time, let along do I write mono programs. | Jan 09 23:56 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: windows 7 ultimate</sarcasm> | Jan 09 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Bring AV software in a basket | Jan 09 23:56 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: and .net doesn't bother you in it, does it? | Jan 09 23:56 |
| neighborlee | of course it does | Jan 09 23:57 |
| neighborlee | I never said, it didn't bother me | Jan 09 23:57 |
| neighborlee | not once | Jan 09 23:57 |
| neighborlee | check your logs | Jan 09 23:57 |
| neighborlee | :) | Jan 09 23:57 |
| *MinceR wonders why these m$ fanboys can't gather in some relevant channel, like ##ballmer-is-our-god or something | Jan 09 23:57 | |
| MinceR | and save us from the noise | Jan 09 23:57 |
| neighborlee | and I never said I liked ballmer either | Jan 09 23:57 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: blasphemy | Jan 09 23:57 |
| neighborlee | stop putting words IN MY MOUTH | Jan 09 23:57 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer is not a God | Jan 09 23:57 |
| schestowitz | God has a white beard | Jan 09 23:57 |
| neighborlee | oh wait OMG! | Jan 09 23:57 |
| neighborlee | you want to put something IN MY MOUTH | Jan 09 23:57 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: he could tape on one | Jan 09 23:57 |
| neighborlee | you bitch!! | Jan 09 23:58 |
| yuhong | It isn't, they were talking about MS fanboys. | Jan 09 23:58 |
| *neighborlee runs from minces ..thing... | Jan 09 23:58 | |
| neighborlee | o_0 | Jan 09 23:58 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Michaelangelo showed me so I know | Jan 09 23:58 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: a ball gag? | Jan 09 23:58 |
| neighborlee | lol | Jan 09 23:58 |
| neighborlee | sorry I had to try for humor.I thought hey we need SOME HUMOR h ere | Jan 09 23:58 |
| neighborlee | did it work? | Jan 09 23:58 |
| *neighborlee checks pulse of room | Jan 09 23:58 | |
| neighborlee | it did!! | Jan 09 23:58 |
| neighborlee | :) | Jan 09 23:58 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: it wasn't bad from you | Jan 09 23:58 |
| neighborlee | heh | Jan 09 23:58 |
| MinceR | i mean i can't really ask for more from you | Jan 09 23:58 |
| neighborlee | yes I know..:( | Jan 09 23:59 |
| *yuhong has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]") | Jan 09 23:59 | |
| neighborlee | your perception of me is startling..but I take it for what its worth | Jan 09 23:59 |
| MinceR | and the drive-by troll leaves | Jan 09 23:59 |
| neighborlee | NOTHING | Jan 09 23:59 |
| neighborlee | :)) | Jan 09 23:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Setting you free. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/25806.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/539494.html | Jan 09 23:59 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: reddragdiva | Setting you free. .::. Size~: 29.61 KB | Jan 09 23:59 |
| neighborlee | at least he was nice | Jan 09 23:59 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: reddragdiva: Setting you free. .::. Size~: 20.32 KB | Jan 09 23:59 |
| MinceR | i wonder why a m$ fanboy is using chatzilla though, when he could be using m$ comic chat or mirc | Jan 09 23:59 |
| neighborlee | at least he was nice | Jan 09 23:59 |
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