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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 14th, 2010

schestowitzhttp://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/01/13/1657249/Googlecn-Attack-Part-of-a-Broad-Spying-Effort?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29Jan 14 00:00
schestowitz"Google, by implying that Beijing had sponsored the attack, has placed itself in the center of an international controversy, exposing what appears to be a state-sponsored corporate espionage campaign that compromised more than 30 technology, financial and media companies, most of them global Fortune 500 enterprises."Jan 14 00:00
phIRCe-localTitle: Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | Google.cn Attack Part of a Broad Spying Effort .::. Size~: 176.71 KBJan 14 00:00
schestowitzhttp://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/01/13/baidus-stock-soars-following-google-china-newsJan 14 00:00
phIRCe-localTitle: Baidu's Stock Soars Following Google China News | WebProNews .::. Size~: 30.49 KBJan 14 00:00
schestowitzWhy is Clinton sticking her nose? http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/01/13/some-interesting-points-about-the-google-china-situationJan 14 00:01
FurnaceBoyand despite what DaemonFC said, GOOG did take a noticeable hit.Jan 14 00:01
phIRCe-localTitle: Some Interesting Points About the Google China Situation | WebProNews .::. Size~: 39.49 KBJan 14 00:01
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: right. i don't get that either.Jan 14 00:01
schestowitzShe's always with the anti-China, since years agoJan 14 00:01
schestowitzThat's why some people rejected her as Dem front runnerJan 14 00:01
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: they got good news from Neilsen that dayJan 14 00:02
FurnaceBoyi'd have expected the WH to stand well clear of this mess :)Jan 14 00:02
schestowitzNeilsonJan 14 00:02
schestowitzNielsenJan 14 00:02
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: what caused GOOG to take a hit then?Jan 14 00:02
schestowitzI was almost right the first timeJan 14 00:03
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: china newsJan 14 00:03
schestowitzBig marketJan 14 00:03
FurnaceBoyyes, that's what I said Jan 14 00:03
schestowitzbiggest internet populationJan 14 00:03
schestowitzBut also:Jan 14 00:03
schestowitzConfidence in gamilJan 14 00:03
schestowitz*gmail is not seen as fallible\Jan 14 00:03
FurnaceBoyinfallible?Jan 14 00:04
FurnaceBoyare you saying confidence went up or down (in tandem w/ stock)Jan 14 00:04
FurnaceBoythe major outages were a few months ago nowJan 14 00:04
FurnaceBoywhat happened new?Jan 14 00:04
schestowitzBoth downJan 14 00:05
schestowitzmarket and reputationJan 14 00:05
FurnaceBoyrightJan 14 00:05
schestowitzThough the Yanks must love itJan 14 00:05
FurnaceBoyi think you meant infallible then?Jan 14 00:05
schestowitzGOOG standing up the THe ManJan 14 00:05
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: apparently they do. but it's pretty short-sighted.Jan 14 00:05
schestowitzPlaying the whole Patriotic cardJan 14 00:05
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: how on earth do they think this can be more than an empty gesture?Jan 14 00:05
schestowitzLook how they phrased the blog postJan 14 00:05
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: (apart from being duplicitous anyway)Jan 14 00:05
schestowitzIt's like PRJan 14 00:05
FurnaceBoyyes.Jan 14 00:05
FurnaceBoyI called it a press release -- that is what it is.Jan 14 00:05
FurnaceBoyPAPER TIGER.Jan 14 00:05
schestowitz"China is not attacking Google..... it's attacking the US"Jan 14 00:05
schestowitz"G.I. Google to ze rescue!Jan 14 00:06
FurnaceBoyyes.Jan 14 00:06
FurnaceBoyridiculous puffed-chest anticsJan 14 00:06
schestowitzThey also tied it to China's governmentJan 14 00:06
schestowitzNo proofJan 14 00:06
schestowitzNone that they showJan 14 00:06
oiaohmNow if google had not operated in china the people of china would not know what the google search engine offered.Jan 14 00:07
oiaohmGoogle has played the game well.Jan 14 00:08
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: looks like a losing hand to meJan 14 00:08
oiaohmEvery part game at some point you have to take risks to win.  FurnaceBoyJan 14 00:09
oiaohmGoogle took a lot of risk excepting china filtering as well.  They could have got hit hard in the USA.Jan 14 00:11
schestowitzOr..............Jan 14 00:11
schestowitzMaybe Google plays for ChinaJan 14 00:11
schestowitzA stuntJan 14 00:11
schestowitzTo get suppressed people on their sideJan 14 00:11
schestowitzAnd then enter the marketJan 14 00:11
schestowitzLike a friend of Chian versus BaiduJan 14 00:11
schestowitzBaidu has big market shareJan 14 00:11
schestowitzGoogle does worst in China, AFIAKJan 14 00:11
schestowitzBaidu is seen as "us"Jan 14 00:11
schestowitzGoogle is seen as "US"Jan 14 00:11
oiaohmYep played game well.Jan 14 00:11
schestowitzNow they make Baidu seem like "Totality"Jan 14 00:12
schestowitzAnd Google as rebelJan 14 00:12
oiaohmYep winning hand.Jan 14 00:12
schestowitzThey even uncensor nowJan 14 00:12
schestowitzThey show people Tienanmen incidentsJan 14 00:12
schestowitzLots of publicity about it, I read.. with the govt suppressing the newsJan 14 00:13
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Yukyung-extends-Viliv-brand-at-CES/?kc=rssJan 14 00:13
phIRCe-localTitle: Android-ready PMP sports AMOLED display - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 56.97 KBJan 14 00:13
oiaohmYet it would not been possiable without first agreeing to censor to get a foot hold.Jan 14 00:13
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/CongatecBM57/?kc=rss what for?Jan 14 00:15
oiaohmGoogle has not got it market without knowing how to play the game well.Jan 14 00:16
phIRCe-localTitle: COM Express module has embedded Core i7 on board - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 59.54 KBJan 14 00:16
oiaohmYes there is no reason to cheat to win market.Jan 14 00:16
oiaohmJust to the right changes in policy at the right time.Jan 14 00:16
schestowitzhttp://www.imfederation.com/networks.htmlJan 14 00:17
phIRCe-localTitle: IM Federation - Networks .::. Size~: 13.45 KBJan 14 00:17
schestowitzhttp://www.prwatch.org/node/8827Jan 14 00:19
phIRCe-localTitle: Help Us Keep an Eye on Sarah Palin's Spin | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 21.6 KBJan 14 00:19
schestowitzzoobab: http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/article/20091223/OPINION/912230306/Let-IBM-protect-its-intellectual-propertyJan 14 00:25
phIRCe-localTitle: Let IBM protect its intellectual property | poughkeepsiejournal.com | Poughkeepsie Journal .::. Size~: 54.55 KBJan 14 00:25
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: right, i favour that kind of explanationJan 14 00:26
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: essentially corporates are cynical, so it fitsJan 14 00:26
schestowitzoiaohm: http://paidcontent.org/article/419-...-and-google-was-just-gaining-some-ground-in-china/Jan 14 00:28
schestowitz"Some cynicism today that Google’s threat to leave China isn’t so altruistic. The basic argument: Google (NSDQ: GOOG) was facing an uphill battle against Baidu (NSDQ: BIDU) and is cutting its losses. And while it’s true—as we pointed out yesterday—that Google’s revenue in China is currently minimal, the company’s business was on the way up in that country, as measured by market share. "Jan 14 00:28
phIRCe-localTitle: ... And Google Was Just Gaining Some Ground In China| paidContent .::. Size~: 27.61 KBJan 14 00:28
*Tallken (n=f2f93bf5@93.102.73.12.rev.optimus.pt) has joined #boycottnovellJan 14 00:29
oiaohmBetter to play cards now than wait until the revenue is high and the share holders could revolt in a risky way.Jan 14 00:30
oiaohmGoogle actions are perfectly timed schestowitzJan 14 00:30
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: win means 'win for business' or 'defeat censorship'? google pretends to care about the latter but we all know it is about the former.Jan 14 00:31
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: hence: duplicitousJan 14 00:31
oiaohmIts really both FurnaceBoyJan 14 00:31
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: ha!Jan 14 00:31
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: benevolent corporations now?Jan 14 00:31
oiaohmYou are aware running censorship costs processor time.  FurnaceBoyJan 14 00:32
FurnaceBoyLOL!!!Jan 14 00:32
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/12/android_nexus_one/Jan 14 00:32
phIRCe-localTitle: Google releases Nexus One SDK • The Register .::. Size~: 27.21 KBJan 14 00:32
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: that's the wackiest anti-censorship argument I've ever heard.Jan 14 00:32
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: yes,  benevolent.........Jan 14 00:32
oiaohmBut it is a valid one FurnaceBoyJan 14 00:32
schestowitz                           ...to shareholdersJan 14 00:32
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: ORLY!Jan 14 00:32
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] The only time I get to really write is on Sundays. Im reading a book at the moment on Advanced C/L Scripting - actually v.interesting.Jan 14 00:33
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: so you agree it's about business and business goals then.Jan 14 00:33
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: (frankly the processor time thing is absurd, but let's leave it)Jan 14 00:33
schestowitzOne of the Yahoo!/Google excuses to censor in 2008 was shareholdersJan 14 00:33
schestowitzYahoo! inquiredJan 14 00:33
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I have no doubt.Jan 14 00:33
schestowitzShareholders said censors and profit!Jan 14 00:33
schestowitzThey don't give a f*Jan 14 00:33
oiaohmcensorship without good reasons is not good for business.Jan 14 00:33
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: their hands are tied, i have no idea why anyone expects benevolenceJan 14 00:33
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: good reasons?Jan 14 00:33
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: how about compulsionJan 14 00:33
schestowitzThey like in their villa in Connecticut or whateverJan 14 00:33
schestowitzChairman Mau is far from themJan 14 00:34
oiaohmNot providing safe searches will end up with a lot of people wanting to kill you FurnaceBoyJan 14 00:34
schestowitz[00:33] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: their hands are tied, i have no idea why anyone expects benevolenceJan 14 00:34
schestowitzBecause..Jan 14 00:34
oiaohmIe good reason to censor.Jan 14 00:34
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: apart from being dead, and all. but expansionism and suppression of dissent is alive and well. just that google really doesn't care about thatJan 14 00:34
schestowitzLook at their siteJan 14 00:34
schestowitz"Do no evil"Jan 14 00:34
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: of courseJan 14 00:34
schestowitzIt must be true cause it says itJan 14 00:34
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: that's what I meant by COMPULSIONJan 14 00:34
schestowitzLike Monsanto has slogan with "Hope"Jan 14 00:34
oiaohmIn China case the censor is only for a small number of people.Jan 14 00:34
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: oh! of course.,Jan 14 00:34
schestowitzI can't remember the three words they now useJan 14 00:35
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: that changes everything ;-)Jan 14 00:35
schestowitzBut it's funnyJan 14 00:35
schestowitzI'll post some Monsanto videos sonJan 14 00:35
schestowitz*soonJan 14 00:35
schestowitzMonsanto exploits Africa for PRJan 14 00:35
oiaohmFurnaceBoy: google redirects traffic aound the world when particlar areas of it network gets overloaded.Jan 14 00:35
schestowitzI remember watching a video about itJan 14 00:35
schestowitzThey pretend to "Feed the hungry"Jan 14 00:35
schestowitzBut it's BSJan 14 00:35
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yep. been reading about thisJan 14 00:35
schestowitzThey just infect the seed suppliesJan 14 00:35
oiaohmCensor means that job is harder.  There are a lot of costs from the china regs.  FurnaceBoyJan 14 00:36
schestowitzAnd then show you skinny African kid and tell you, "move off, we're trying to feed them"Jan 14 00:36
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: right, so you agree it's really all about business.Jan 14 00:36
oiaohmIts a risk FurnaceBoyJan 14 00:36
oiaohmYes its about business.   But it still takes balls to take the risk.Jan 14 00:37
FurnaceBoyheuhJan 14 00:37
schestowitzLow riskJan 14 00:37
_goblinschestowitz:  Sort of related....I sponsor a child in Uganda......just got another letter from her.Jan 14 00:37
oiaohmWhat about other countries that have required filtering for other things.  Like india.  schestowitzJan 14 00:37
oiaohmIts not exactly a low risk.  It is more a moderate.Jan 14 00:38
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: they cannot win against the chinese government. what is more likely is a deal where they can tell their liberal fanbase they don't filter, while the govt arranges local filtering.Jan 14 00:38
schestowitz"Hello. My name is Jamilia. My father has just died and left me $40,000,000,000. Please mail to help me manage the account."Jan 14 00:38
schestowitzOK, sorry... I jokeJan 14 00:38
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: you underestimate their cynicism here. it's a ployJan 14 00:38
MinceR013344 < schestowitz> Like Monsanto has slogan with "Hope"Jan 14 00:38
schestowitzBut I got some stuff like thiJan 14 00:38
schestowitzIn Netscape.comJan 14 00:38
MinceRthey "hope" you don't find out what they're doing against youJan 14 00:38
FurnaceBoyMinceR: ,my thoughts exactly!! LOLJan 14 00:38
schestowitzScammers pretending to be good-looking girls from AfricaJan 14 00:38
_goblinschestowitz:  Its with Worldvision.....Jan 14 00:38
oiaohmIf china goverment is running the filtering it no longer a cost to google.  FurnaceBoyJan 14 00:38
FurnaceBoy_goblin: I do that as well. Nepal.Jan 14 00:38
_goblincool!Jan 14 00:38
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: right, and they don't have to cede the market.Jan 14 00:38
oiaohmIt also becomes a cost to them they have to live with.  FurnaceBoy Jan 14 00:39
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: win-win!!!!Jan 14 00:39
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: right, so it's cynical manouvring. glad we're getting somewhereJan 14 00:39
oiaohmWin for google and still a loss for china.Jan 14 00:39
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: a loss for chinese people, yes. but who cares? it's profitableJan 14 00:39
oiaohmNo chinese goverment FurnaceBoyJan 14 00:39
*FurnaceBoy doesn't expect corporations to be forces for changeJan 14 00:39
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: reminds me of a jokeJan 14 00:39
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: orly?Jan 14 00:39
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: how do they move?Jan 14 00:40
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: lose*Jan 14 00:40
oiaohmMaintaining filters is a lot of work.Jan 14 00:40
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: LOLLLL!!!Jan 14 00:40
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: oh pleaseJan 14 00:40
_goblinahh....my blogroll has been deleted.....Jan 14 00:40
oiaohmIt is FurnaceBoyJan 14 00:40
schestowitz"Capitalism is great. Top 0.1% gets east life and the rest in china make $0.01 per day. But who cares [sarcasm] There's a billion of them"Jan 14 00:40
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: you should check that Monbiot/Avatar columnJan 14 00:41
schestowitzMicrosoft 'donates' softwareJan 14 00:41
oiaohmAlso it frees google to take action over any attacks against there networks from china as well.  FurnaceBoy  China does not have the option of threating them if they leave.Jan 14 00:41
*schestowitz donates IP to _goblinJan 14 00:41
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: it also won't stop attacks if they leaveJan 14 00:41
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: I found another thingJan 14 00:42
schestowitzbenevolentJan 14 00:42
schestowitzhttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/movies/12arts-ADSTOPROTEST_BRF.htmlJan 14 00:42
phIRCe-localTitle: Arts, Briefly - Ads to Protest Smoking in Avatar - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 67.22 KBJan 14 00:42
schestowitzhttp://www.prwatch.org/node/8828Jan 14 00:42
phIRCe-localTitle: Taxpayers Subsidize Smoking in "Avatar," Other Youth-Rated Movies | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 23.27 KBJan 14 00:42
schestowitz"Those who oppose smoking in movies aimed at young people planned to step up their assault on the science-fiction epic “Avatar” on Tuesday with advertisements in Hollywood trade papers that accuse the film of providing the equivalent of $50 million in free tobacco advertising."Jan 14 00:42
schestowitz"The information about taxpayers subsidizing smoking in big-screen movies comes from a November, 2009 report by the University of California San Francisco titled "Taxpayer Subsidies for US Films with Tobacco Imagery" that examined taxpayer subsidies for youth-rated films (G, PG and PG-13). "Jan 14 00:42
_goblinlolJan 14 00:42
*FurnaceBoy gigglesJan 14 00:42
_goblinAvatar was a smoker?Jan 14 00:42
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: the subtext of the Monbiot column is "Why the Right hates Avatar"Jan 14 00:42
oiaohmFurnaceBoy: if they leave China cannot use there staff and baring chips to prevent using world trade and other internal bodies to respond.  Jan 14 00:43
FurnaceBoybargaining chips*Jan 14 00:43
FurnaceBoywhose?Jan 14 00:43
schestowitzuJan 14 00:43
schestowitzhttp://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/845736-right-hates-avatar-6.htmlJan 14 00:43
FurnaceBoygoogle.cn ?Jan 14 00:43
_goblinHated that movie....when the Humans started blowing up the planet it came something of a relief.Jan 14 00:43
phIRCe-localTitle: The right hates Avatar (compared, state, work, Bush) - Politics and Other Controversies - Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Conservatives, Liberals, Third Parties, Left-Wing, Right-Wing, Congress, President -    Page 6 - City-Data Forum .::. Size~: 110.56 KBJan 14 00:43
oiaohmCommon china method.  You don't to what they want they will harm your staff in there country.  FurnaceBoyJan 14 00:43
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: yesJan 14 00:44
oiaohmGoogle is freeing it hands to fight back against system breaches.Jan 14 00:44
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: this is now cross-border, see: Iran + ex-patriate protestorsJan 14 00:44
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: china would have no trouble reaching ex-patriatesJan 14 00:44
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: you may be on to somethingJan 14 00:44
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: but the outcome is not going to be a lift of censorshipJan 14 00:44
oiaohmSystem breaches are not good for business FurnaceBoyJan 14 00:44
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: right, so they cut a deal.Jan 14 00:45
oiaohmThis is all business.Jan 14 00:45
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: useless results plus retaining the market.Jan 14 00:45
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: we agree on that.Jan 14 00:45
oiaohmSystem breaches threaten Googles complete market.Jan 14 00:45
FurnaceBoythe breaches won't stop.Jan 14 00:45
FurnaceBoythat's maybe why google wants to look like a victim nowJan 14 00:45
oiaohmRemember when these are internal attacks on trade.Jan 14 00:46
FurnaceBoyi'm not sure which player i trust lessJan 14 00:46
oiaohmThere are internalional laws at play.Jan 14 00:46
oiaohmGoogle is blocked from using them while they have a base in china.Jan 14 00:46
oiaohmThis could get very very messy before the end FurnaceBoyJan 14 00:47
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: nobody wins, reallyJan 14 00:47
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: i guess awareness is slightly raisedJan 14 00:47
oiaohmIf china forces the battle no one will win.Jan 14 00:48
FurnaceBoywhat else do they ever do :)Jan 14 00:48
oiaohmGoogle will remain.Jan 14 00:48
FurnaceBoyyes.Jan 14 00:48
oiaohmYou are not thinking of the size of can of worms I am talking about.Jan 14 00:48
oiaohmGoogle is publishing information on multiable breach locations.Jan 14 00:49
oiaohmEven out side them.Jan 14 00:49
oiaohmWe have not had a major dispute in the internet in a long time.  The last one was the great china firewall.Jan 14 00:50
FurnaceBoymeanwhile Iran has almost no internet for years :)Jan 14 00:50
schestowitzByfield: "I don't presume to read Stallman's mind, but I wonder if the surge of interest over selling GPL exceptions doesn't make him despair a little about getting the FSF message out. All these years of the same tactic, and still people are reacting as though it is something new. "Jan 14 00:58
schestowitzhttp://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/Selling-GPL-Exceptions-isn-t-ExceptionalJan 14 00:58
phIRCe-localTitle: Selling GPL Exceptions isn't Exceptional - Linux Magazine Online  .::. Size~: 31.17 KBJan 14 00:58
schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/BerliOS-open-source-project-portal-falls-victim-to-attack-903990.html BerliOS open source project portal falls victim to attackJan 14 01:03
phIRCe-localTitle: BerliOS open source project portal falls victim to attack - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 31.2 KBJan 14 01:03
schestowitzOuchJan 14 01:03
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: where do you stand on the "save mysql" campaign?Jan 14 01:07
oiaohmRead the compain carefully.Jan 14 01:07
oiaohmIts not about save mysql at all.  It about save the right to release mysql closed source for profit.Jan 14 01:07
oiaohmRemember GPL licence grants anyone the right to fork.  So how is mysql in danger.Jan 14 01:09
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: I have read it carefullyJan 14 01:10
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: are you jumping to conclusions about my position? :)Jan 14 01:10
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: I'm only asking about schestowitz's opinion on  itJan 14 01:10
schestowitzThey should give mysql to IBMJan 14 01:11
oiaohmLike if that will make any difference.Jan 14 01:11
oiaohmIts still being got by a pre existing db maker.Jan 14 01:11
oiaohmhttp://www.ibm.com/db2  Something people love to forget is IBM's.Jan 14 01:12
phIRCe-localTitle: IBM - DB2 - Data server - database software - database management - open source .::. Size~: 19.43 KBJan 14 01:13
schestowitzhttp://davidcancel.com/is-hadoop-performance-optimization-the-next-big-thing/Jan 14 01:14
phIRCe-localTitle: Hadoop Performance Optimization is the Next Big Thing .::. Size~: 12 KBJan 14 01:14
schestowitzoiaohm: I knowJan 14 01:14
schestowitzBut give the options....Jan 14 01:14
oiaohmThe big thing the compain to save mysql has not answered is how is mysql at risk.Jan 14 01:14
oiaohmIts not like this is orcales first db company they have taken over either.Jan 14 01:15
schestowitzSomeone like Red Hat would be ideal, but I don't think they're in that positionJan 14 01:15
schestowitzoiaohm: true, serial acquirersJan 14 01:15
oiaohmMost of the backend engines mysql depends on are already in Orcales hands.Jan 14 01:15
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: right. they bought bdb and innobase, didn't kill mysqlJan 14 01:15
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: however there are good engines outside oracle, as well. pbxt primarily. maybe falcon if it takes flight.Jan 14 01:15
oiaohmIf you wantting save it from Orcale the work need be done a long time ago.Jan 14 01:16
FurnaceBoy+1Jan 14 01:16
oiaohmIf anything the worry should be over the future of postgresql.Jan 14 01:16
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/2010/01/robertson-quake-haiti-pact-devil/Jan 14 01:16
phIRCe-localTitle: Pat Robertson blames Haitis pact with the devil for quake |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 38.72 KBJan 14 01:16
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yeahJan 14 01:16
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: gets worse when you realise he meant "independence"Jan 14 01:16
oiaohmMysql has never been a feature to feature match with Orcales DB.Jan 14 01:16
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/2010/01/magnitude-70-quake-strikes-catastrophe-major-proportions-haiti/Jan 14 01:16
phIRCe-localTitle: Magnitude 7.0 quake strikes catastrophe of major proportions in Haiti |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 26.87 KBJan 14 01:16
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: they aren't head to head competitors, which makes it no less an attractive acquisitionJan 14 01:17
schestowitzIt's good to have  Pat Robertson explain why it all happendJan 14 01:17
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: comforting indeedJan 14 01:17
schestowitzhis fellow Turd, Falwel, blamed gays for 9/11Jan 14 01:17
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: oh wait, i'm not christian -- i must be next!Jan 14 01:17
oiaohmpostgresql in the form of enterprisedb is a head to head with Orcale main db.Jan 14 01:17
oiaohmIe lose of postgresql to Orcale would be less competion in the market.Jan 14 01:18
FurnaceBoyhehJan 14 01:18
oiaohmPostgresql and Orcale DB are feature match.  So much so that Postgresql can run Orcales SQL scripts.Jan 14 01:19
FurnaceBoyi don't think that's true, actually.Jan 14 01:19
FurnaceBoyabout feature matchJan 14 01:19
oiaohmIt is true.Jan 14 01:19
FurnaceBoynot afaikJan 14 01:19
FurnaceBoythere's not feature parityJan 14 01:19
oiaohmBig thing missing is replication.Jan 14 01:19
oiaohmOut box.Jan 14 01:20
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/2010/01/obama-seek-additional-33-billion-wars/Jan 14 01:20
phIRCe-localTitle: Obama will seek additional $33 billion for wars |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 39.6 KBJan 14 01:20
schestowitzMini moneyJan 14 01:20
oiaohmThat has to be added thrid party to postgresql.Jan 14 01:20
schestowitzChampion of peace, Nobel evemnJan 14 01:20
MinceRlolJan 14 01:20
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: ...rightJan 14 01:20
schestowitzDriving the economyJan 14 01:20
schestowitzI guess Columbine has spare bombsJan 14 01:20
schestowitzBeen a while since last AweJan 14 01:21
schestowitzThe warehouses run out of space, gotta empty them 'on' some people whose country is worth  rebuilding (hello, Haliburton)Jan 14 01:21
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ILa_4uhJkM&feature=relatedJan 14 01:22
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MinceRpreferably those who also happen to have oilJan 14 01:24
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] o_0 http://www.oytoys.com/Passover-Plagues-in-Pouch-p/cj-200.htmJan 14 01:26
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FurnaceBoyhm. i bet somebody wants to control haiti rebuilding "in our image"Jan 14 01:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @schuyler: Come warp some public domain maps, and help improve OpenStreetMap's coverage of Haiti for relief http://maps.nypl.org/relief/Jan 14 01:30
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schestowitz"Food. Health. Hope" is the motto of MonsantoJan 14 01:49
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Currently playing with Dosbox for Linux....and reliving some old memories!Jan 14 02:06
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] HeHe visit http://startpanic.com/Jan 14 02:33
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DaemonFCschestowitz: Is WedBush connected to Microsoft?Jan 14 02:52
DaemonFChttp://www.gamepro.com/article/news/213571/analyst-predicts-low-wii-netflix-adoption-rate/Jan 14 02:52
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DaemonFC"You might have a whole month of downtime over the year of Netflix on XBOX 360 just because you can’t use it while it’s at the refurbishment center." -Me :)Jan 14 02:59
schestowitzWedBush?Jan 14 03:04
schestowitzIs that an analyst name?Jan 14 03:04
schestowitzAnyway, analysts are a dime or a dozen (or $200/hour, says MicrosofT)Jan 14 03:05
schestowitzYou too are an analyst if you put that hat and call yourself thatJan 14 03:05
schestowitzIt's a trash-collection industry, the TV programme will shoot a film on it in a few weeks and I'll be in it Jan 14 03:06
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DaemonFCthe way Ubuntu Lucid is shaping up, I may just go to that full time once it's outJan 14 04:40
DaemonFCI hear it's already fairly stableJan 14 04:41
DaemonFCI'd probably be using it already except for my ATI video cardJan 14 04:41
DaemonFCI'm hoping that this month's driver bundle makes it compatible with the latest X serverJan 14 04:43
schestowitzDaemonFC: I have some news...Jan 14 04:47
schestowitzGImme one minute..Jan 14 04:47
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schestowitzDaemonFC: Microsoft-Funded and Microsoft-Derived Blog Tracker/AstroTurf Agency Receives $22 Million to Expand http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/13/microsoft-capital-of-astroturfing/Jan 14 04:51
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DaemonFCyes, Visible Technologies is some truly evil malicious bastards, always up to no goodJan 14 04:56
DaemonFCChris Pirillo gave them two thumbs up though :)Jan 14 04:56
DaemonFCfinding people that badmouth their customers and slip in infiltrators to try and derail the conversation or coerce the person who started it into taking it downJan 14 04:57
DaemonFCthey not only try to infiltrate blog posts, they do it with forums tooJan 14 04:58
DaemonFCMy strong objections to Windows Media Center DRMing incoming cable TV got their attention for a momentJan 14 04:59
DaemonFCI always tell people now that buying a TV tuner to use with Windows 7 is akin to setting the money on fire because it will never do what you want it toJan 14 05:00
DaemonFCI usually laugh at the FSF campaigns for being so horribly misguided, but in this case, I agree that you're better off just hoarding VCRs and any blank VHS tapes you can getJan 14 05:01
cubezzzwhat? :)Jan 14 05:02
cubezzzyeah don't use windows media centreJan 14 05:02
DaemonFCI'm of mixed feelings on SteamJan 14 05:03
DaemonFCgames bought on Steam are more likely to work with Wine and less likely to pester users with other DRM schemesJan 14 05:03
cubezzzwell games have gone the DRM routeJan 14 05:03
cubezzzeven lgp did itJan 14 05:03
DaemonFCI usually apply a crack after buying my gameJan 14 05:04
cubezzzit's hard to blame them, esepcially when they feel everyone's copying stuff Jan 14 05:04
DaemonFCjust to make sure the DRM does not get in my wayJan 14 05:04
cubezzzfortunately the old Loki games didn't use DRMJan 14 05:05
DaemonFCcubezzz: What I found funny was RemoveWAT and ChewWGAJan 14 05:07
DaemonFCI take it as proof that Microsoft designed Windows to be very easily crackedJan 14 05:08
DaemonFCespecially because they haven't used Windows Update to stop that crack yetJan 14 05:08
cubezzzI don't understand why you would want to hoard VCRs and tapesJan 14 05:11
DaemonFCthey pre-date DRMJan 14 05:12
cubezzzno :)Jan 14 05:12
cubezzzthere's macrovision Jan 14 05:12
DaemonFCmackerel-vision is easy to filter out Jan 14 05:12
cubezzzbut the point is it doesn't hold up well over timeJan 14 05:12
cubezzzno reason not to use digital Jan 14 05:13
DaemonFCbesides, I have a few VCRs that are not affected by it anywayJan 14 05:13
DaemonFCI used them to record things off Pay Per View or premium channelsJan 14 05:13
DaemonFCwhen they switched over to using mackerel visionJan 14 05:14
DaemonFCI called them one day and told them that they ought to clearly mark mackerel vision infected tapesJan 14 05:16
DaemonFCso that consumers would know they were buying defective goodsJan 14 05:16
DaemonFCcubezzz: It's just an analog hack that fucks up a VCR's auto gain controlJan 14 05:17
cubezzzit messes up converts to digital as wellJan 14 05:17
DaemonFCit's very simple to filter out before the signal goes to the VCRJan 14 05:17
cubezzzmy point is that magnetic tape degrades thoughJan 14 05:18
DaemonFCbefore the DMCA, you could get filters to remove the signal from the backs of a magazine for $10-$20Jan 14 05:18
DaemonFC:)Jan 14 05:18
DaemonFCYeah, magnetic tape does degrade, but hard disks crash, and CDs and DVDs degrade and/or scratchJan 14 05:19
DaemonFCwe still use thoseJan 14 05:19
cubezzzthere are archival quality dvd recordablesJan 14 05:19
DaemonFCthey only last 20 years maximum, even under ideal storage conditionsJan 14 05:20
cubezzzplus it's trivially easy to keep backing them upJan 14 05:20
DaemonFCevery one in a while you'll need to pull your old discs down off the shelf and copy them to new discsJan 14 05:20
DaemonFC*onceJan 14 05:20
DaemonFCand the 20 year figure assumes you used quality mediaJan 14 05:21
DaemonFCthe cheap-o discs you get off brand are maybe half thatJan 14 05:21
DaemonFCthere's a difference in cheap media, you get more burn errors, more defective discs, etc.Jan 14 05:21
schestowitzhttp://status.net/2010/01/13/0-9rc3-upgrade-13-january-2010-1000pm-estJan 14 05:22
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DaemonFCwithout verifying the disc you just burned, there's a chance that a sector is already unreadable and you just won't know it til later when you try to read itJan 14 05:22
DaemonFCthat's one reason why it's worth the 2-3 minutes to verify the disc you're burning an OS toJan 14 05:23
DaemonFCotherwise it could get halfway in and the installer bombs out cause it can't read a file it needsJan 14 05:23
DaemonFCI once had that happen on a Fedora DVD, I managed to work around it by telling it to check for updated packages first, and apparently the package on the bad sector was not needed then :)Jan 14 05:24
DaemonFCcubezzz: I hate optical discs, hate themJan 14 05:25
DaemonFCwe should be beyond even needing that shitJan 14 05:25
cubezzzthat's why people use md5sumJan 14 05:25
DaemonFCflash memory capacity will eventually kill the CDJan 14 05:26
DaemonFCjust like it killed the floppy disk (shudder)Jan 14 05:26
cubezzzcan you really say flash memory is more reliable that a CDR?Jan 14 05:26
DaemonFCyeah, I canJan 14 05:26
cubezzzwell, I have CDRs from 1995Jan 14 05:26
DaemonFCI'd give the CD a few more yearsJan 14 05:26
cubezzzthey still workJan 14 05:27
DaemonFCobviously music CDs will die firstJan 14 05:27
cubezzzyou can't say the same for flash memoryJan 14 05:27
DaemonFCSandisk is already selling microSD cards with MP3s on themJan 14 05:27
DaemonFCfor cheaper than the CD albumJan 14 05:27
DaemonFCI think that will win out eventuallyJan 14 05:27
cubezzzalso flash memory can be over-writtenJan 14 05:28
DaemonFCthere's so many things nibbling away at CD sales, the CD will just not be economically viable anymore in 5 years or soJan 14 05:28
DaemonFCcubezzz: I know, that's a featureJan 14 05:28
cubezzzyou don't want your archives over-writtenJan 14 05:28
DaemonFCyou can copy the MP3s onto your hard drive and have a 512 MB microSD that's blankJan 14 05:29
DaemonFCneat huh?Jan 14 05:29
DaemonFCbrbJan 14 05:29
cubezzzI rsync all my flash stuff to hard drive, then burn it for safe keepingJan 14 05:29
cubezzzit would be foolish to leave my only copy on flashJan 14 05:30
cubezzzalso on the zaurus we have the additional problem of an SD driver which is a binary blobJan 14 05:31
DaemonFCLinux supports them nativelyJan 14 05:33
DaemonFCit's built into the kernelJan 14 05:33
DaemonFCat least on every card reader I've usedJan 14 05:33
DaemonFCWindows supports themJan 14 05:33
DaemonFCmost cars support them and MP3 nowJan 14 05:34
DaemonFCan SD slot could replace the CD deck eventuallyJan 14 05:34
cubezzzthere's a 2.6 open driver, but no open 2.4 driverJan 14 05:35
DaemonFCI know that's a good argument for a bad compromise (MP3 = Yuck)Jan 14 05:35
DaemonFCbut consumers are stupid and will buy itJan 14 05:35
cubezzznot sure about fc1 actuallyJan 14 05:36
DaemonFCI'd like to see them do another Vorbis vs MP3 listening test actuallyJan 14 05:36
DaemonFCVorbis as of 2005 was already kicking MP3's ass into next weekJan 14 05:36
DaemonFCif Sandisk could use Vorbis, they could fit an entire discography of most bands onto a 512 MB MicroSDJan 14 05:37
DaemonFCat better quality to bootJan 14 05:38
DaemonFCcubezzz: What got me interested in Vorbis was just that. MicroSD HC cards cost a fortune.Jan 14 05:38
DaemonFCI still haven't come close to overrunning this card, and the internal memory on the Sansa hasn't been touchedJan 14 05:39
DaemonFCif this was MP3, I'd have used all the space on my card alreadyJan 14 05:39
DaemonFCbut something the size of my little thumbnail is now capable of holding 800 CDs worth of music in good quality, that's just coolJan 14 05:40
DaemonFC*little fingernailJan 14 05:41
DaemonFCdo you want to carry around 800 CDs or something the size of your little fingernail?Jan 14 05:41
DaemonFCwhich is why the CD's days are probably numberedJan 14 05:41
cubezzzok I should be able to figure out if what the driver is nowJan 14 05:43
cubezzzit just loaded osst again :-/Jan 14 05:44
cubezzzwhat the heck is the driver for CF/SD cards?Jan 14 05:45
DaemonFCI stopped using my radio in the carJan 14 05:45
DaemonFCI know it's illegal to have earbuds in while you're driving, but it's one of those things you can rip out and throw onto the passenger seat quickly if a cop pulls you overJan 14 05:46
cubezzzthere's binfmt_misc but I'm not sure what that doesJan 14 05:46
cubezzzthere's probably all sorts of modules I'm not really usingJan 14 05:48
DaemonFCI want to know why anyone would use Linux 2.4Jan 14 05:49
Diablo-D3[12:25:21] <cubezzz> can you really say flash memory is more reliable that a CDR?Jan 14 05:49
Diablo-D3noJan 14 05:49
Diablo-D3its notJan 14 05:49
DaemonFCit's not that much less bloated than 2.6 can beJan 14 05:49
Diablo-D3flash goes blank after awhileJan 14 05:49
Diablo-D3cubezzz: why dont you just quote the article I did years agoJan 14 05:49
cubezzzI forget where is wasJan 14 05:49
Diablo-D3its easier than arguing with whoever you're arguing withJan 14 05:49
cubezzzis=itJan 14 05:49
Diablo-D3http://adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2006/10/30/how-to-choose-cddvd-archival-mediaJan 14 05:50
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cubezzzok thanksJan 14 05:50
Diablo-D3cubezzz: but yeah, I dont recommend rewritable media for archive storageJan 14 05:50
Diablo-D3its too easy to accidentally overwriteJan 14 05:50
cubezzzDiablo-D3, you wouldn't know what driver linux uses for CF/SD card readers?Jan 14 05:50
Diablo-D3it doesnt use a driver for CF readersJan 14 05:50
Diablo-D3CF cards are native IDE devicesJan 14 05:50
DaemonFCcubezzz: Windows is funny like that. By funny I mean infuriating.Jan 14 05:51
Diablo-D3and if you have a physical reader, most likely its just a USB deviceJan 14 05:51
DaemonFCEvery time you eject a CD-RW, it'll want to write a new desktop.ini in the root folderJan 14 05:51
Diablo-D3so you're never accessing the card directlyJan 14 05:51
cubezzzmaybe it's sd_modJan 14 05:51
cubezzzhmmmJan 14 05:51
Diablo-D3so it just shows up as a generic usb mass storage deviceJan 14 05:51
Diablo-D3but if you're plugging an CF card straight into your mobo, you're using a CF->IDE mechanical adapterJan 14 05:52
cubezzzDiablo-D3, no it's an external card reader in this caseJan 14 05:52
Diablo-D3then it shows up as a usb mass storage deviceJan 14 05:52
Diablo-D3you cant directly access the cardJan 14 05:52
cubezzzokJan 14 05:52
cubezzzI just want to know that I have an open source driverJan 14 05:53
DaemonFCWindows For Dummies should be more like Windows For Those Who Should Be Wards of the StateJan 14 05:53
Diablo-D3yes, you doJan 14 05:53
Diablo-D3if its a USB reader, you can read _anything_Jan 14 05:53
DaemonFCI was flipping through the latest one in the bookstore, for Windows 7Jan 14 05:53
Diablo-D3especially if its one of those that have 4 slotsJan 14 05:54
cubezzzusb-storage I guess could be the oneJan 14 05:54
Diablo-D3mmc/sd, cf, memory stick, and xd/smJan 14 05:54
Diablo-D3cubezzz: yesJan 14 05:54
Diablo-D3I think thats itJan 14 05:55
Diablo-D3cubezzz: oh, and its super fun thatJan 14 05:55
Diablo-D3sdJan 14 05:55
Diablo-D3and micro sd and nano sd and whatever elseJan 14 05:55
Diablo-D3fit into the next size up with mechanical adaptersJan 14 05:55
cubezzzthe card reader seems to be all named /dev/sg? Jan 14 05:56
Diablo-D3sometimesJan 14 05:56
Diablo-D3if theres something plugged in, it shows up as a /dev/sdJan 14 05:57
cubezzz/dev/sg3  gets mapped to /dev/sdcJan 14 05:57
cubezzzah yeahJan 14 05:57
Diablo-D3sg = scsi genericJan 14 05:57
cubezzzweirdJan 14 05:57
Diablo-D3sd = scsi diskJan 14 05:57
cubezzzyeah, I never understood thatJan 14 05:57
Diablo-D3sata, usb, and scsi/sas all get mapped to the scsi subsystemJan 14 05:57
Diablo-D3its just a quirk in linuxJan 14 05:58
Diablo-D3the scsi subsystem is really just "all next gen disk shit"Jan 14 05:58
cubezzzDiablo-D3, when I plugged in the card reader it also loaded osst and st Jan 14 05:58
cubezzzI'm not even sure where the heck that is configuredJan 14 05:58
Diablo-D3dunno what those doJan 14 05:58
Diablo-D3its done as apart of hotplugJan 14 05:59
cubezzztape driversJan 14 05:59
Diablo-D3which is part of udevJan 14 05:59
cubezzzno, this is old thoughJan 14 05:59
cubezzz2.4Jan 14 05:59
Diablo-D3why so old?Jan 14 05:59
Diablo-D3upgradeJan 14 05:59
cubezzzeverything works perfect on this boxJan 14 06:00
cubezzzI'm a bit scared to change itJan 14 06:00
cubezzzuptimes over 1 yearJan 14 06:01
DaemonFCis that box from 2002? :PJan 14 06:01
cubezzzthis box is 1998 eraJan 14 06:01
DaemonFCouchJan 14 06:01
DaemonFCHow do you even get it to work?Jan 14 06:01
Diablo-D3hehJan 14 06:01
Diablo-D3toss itJan 14 06:01
cubezzzit just keeps working :)Jan 14 06:01
Diablo-D3it wont after awhileJan 14 06:01
Diablo-D3hardware eventually diesJan 14 06:02
DaemonFCcubezzz: You may just want to build a system yourself, like Arch lets you doJan 14 06:02
cubezzzthat is tureJan 14 06:02
DaemonFCyou could make a pretty lightweight Linux 2.6-based system with thatJan 14 06:02
cubezzztrue Jan 14 06:02
DaemonFCLinux 2.4 is technically still supported mainly because embedded systems with limited RAM can use itJan 14 06:03
DaemonFCbut it's not getting many useful updates, and certainly no new features or hardware supportJan 14 06:03
DaemonFC2.6 has been mature for quite some time now, I didn't know there were any 2.4 holdoutsJan 14 06:04
DaemonFCfunny enough that my dad says he never sees Windows doing anything more than running a kiosk here or thereJan 14 06:05
cubezzzI'm going to find out where the damn osst driver gets called inJan 14 06:06
DaemonFChe said that the company he's contracting for now is using some king of embedded Linux to control a robotic assembly line systemJan 14 06:06
DaemonFC:DJan 14 06:06
DaemonFC*kindJan 14 06:06
cubezzzthey didn't even put the osst.txt file in with my docsJan 14 06:10
DaemonFCWhy are so many people on Yahoo Answers seeking iTunes help?Jan 14 06:10
DaemonFCWhat do they expect when they put an Abrams battle tank that thinks it's a music jukebox on their PC alongside to 47 system services it installsJan 14 06:11
DaemonFCI laughed my ass off when people with iTunes installed tried installing Vista SP2 and bricked their systemJan 14 06:11
DaemonFCone of the many unnecessary services that Apple foists into Windows (Bonjour I think) prevented Vista from being able to bootJan 14 06:12
cubezzzok, found itJan 14 06:14
cubezzzit was in modprobe.conf.distJan 14 06:14
DaemonFCcubezzz: How does Apple get away with doubling the security problems in Windows with their software?Jan 14 06:16
cubezzztotally intuitive :-0Jan 14 06:16
DaemonFCWhy do they never take any fire from anyone for it?Jan 14 06:16
cubezzzDaemonFC, I don't use itunes so I don't know much about itJan 14 06:16
DaemonFCMicrosoft is doing a good enough job filling Windows with unnecessary bugs without any helpJan 14 06:17
DaemonFCI would think so anywayJan 14 06:17
DaemonFCcubezzz: It's awful, it's so bloated and slow and only really understands a few file formatsJan 14 06:17
DaemonFCif it sees you have any WMAs, it converts them all to AAC without askingJan 14 06:18
DaemonFC:DJan 14 06:18
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cubezzzusb-storage            71200   2Jan 14 06:18
cubezzzok, now it's used by only two (devices)Jan 14 06:18
cubezzzso that has to be itJan 14 06:18
DaemonFCcubezzz: I'd like to figure out how to just rip out its AAC encoder and get rid of the rest of itJan 14 06:19
DaemonFCthere's other programs that can use the iTunes AAC encoder if you have itJan 14 06:19
DaemonFCYou can eat stinging nettles? O_OJan 14 06:54
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stinging_nettle#FoodJan 14 06:54
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DaemonFChmmmm, between all the stinging nettles and dandelions I get in my yard, I don't have to shop for groceriesJan 14 06:55
DaemonFC:PJan 14 06:55
DaemonFCwhy anyone would eat either is beyond meJan 14 06:56
DaemonFCUse dandelions in a sentence? Why sure!Jan 14 06:56
DaemonFCI'd stab my neighbor to death and bury him in my yard, but the abundance of dandelions might give me awayJan 14 06:57
DaemonFCDistrict 9....Jan 14 07:05
DaemonFC"Lets throw the alien visitors in a concentration camp with Nigerians and see how that works outJan 14 07:05
cubezzzok, at least I know why osst and st get reloadedJan 14 07:21
cubezzzit's stupid that the default is to load them thoughJan 14 07:21
cubezzzI've _never_ had a tape drive on this machineJan 14 07:21
cubezzzmaybe in the future OEM's will sell Linux computers precisely tuned to their hardwareJan 14 07:24
cubezzzand I'm still not sure what sd_mod doesJan 14 07:25
DaemonFCwith tape drives?Jan 14 07:25
DaemonFC:)Jan 14 07:25
DaemonFCthe last time I saw one, it was in a pawn shop in the mid 90s for about $10Jan 14 07:26
cubezzzwhereever I reconnect the card reader, I get osst and st loaded in againJan 14 07:28
cubezzzThe Linux SCSI subsystem consists of three layers:Jan 14 07:30
cubezzz    * The upper layer consists of specific device type drivers that are closest to user-space, such as the disk driver, tape driver, and CD-ROM driver.Jan 14 07:30
cubezzz    * The lower layer consists of drivers, such as the QLogic and Emulex host bus adapter (HBA) drivers, which are closest to the hardware.Jan 14 07:30
cubezzz    * The middle layer is the SCSI core that glues the upper and lower layer drivers together.Jan 14 07:30
cubezzzThe sd driver is the SCSI disk driver, or block driver, which is named sd_mod when built as a module. The SCSI mid-layer driver is known as scsi_mod when built as a module.Jan 14 07:31
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Monsato GM corn is a killer... can we arrest them for mass terrorism now? http://ur1.ca/js5v #scienceJan 14 07:33
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cubezzz"/sbin/modinfo sd_mod" tells me nothingJan 14 07:34
cubezzzI guess the source must be sd.c ???Jan 14 07:40
cubezzzso the card reader is a SCSI device pfffft :)Jan 14 07:46
cubezzzand the dvd burner and the external usb 2.0 hard driveJan 14 07:47
cubezzzwhich is really IDEJan 14 07:47
cubezzznow I get itJan 14 07:47
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Pink Floyd "Echoes" and Final Part of "2001" - Jupiter and Beyond Synchronisation http://ur1.ca/js6iJan 14 07:53
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Diablo-D3god thats fucking trippyJan 14 08:04
cubezzzwhat about Wizard of OZ? :)Jan 14 08:05
cubezzzdidn't seem like it really synced with Dark side of the Moon to me thoughJan 14 08:05
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] can i use egg to increase the taste of maggi? Because maggi sucks :( Any #tips ?Jan 14 08:08
cubezzz2001 was trippy on it's ownJan 14 08:15
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Diablo-D3this makes it trippierJan 14 08:40
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DaemonFCNovell lately seems to be making news for cursing at companies and city governments for leaving them for GmailJan 14 09:25
DaemonFC"Hey! Where the hell are you going? FINE!!! Be that way! See if we care!"Jan 14 09:26
DaemonFC:DJan 14 09:26
DaemonFChttp://www.itwire.com/content/view/30480/53/Jan 14 09:27
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] LOL: Ankit Fadia is now working on the national ID project? http://is.gd/6f4YK We are all doomed. (via @ManishSinha)Jan 14 10:28
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schestowitz[07:33] [Notice] -BNi to #boycottnovell- [diablod3/@diablod3] #Monsato GM corn is a killer... can we arrest them for mass terrorism now? http://ur1.ca/js5v #scienceJan 14 10:31
schestowitzYes, pls!Jan 14 10:32
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Woken up..something calming to listen to on a Thursday morning..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD5ml68B18o #metalJan 14 10:47
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cubezzzbewarrrre the frankencorrrrrnJan 14 10:47
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Going to thrash my BC Rich Warlock 100 this afternoon. Been in the cupboard for too long (Les Paul diehard here.....) #axeJan 14 10:51
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Watched #avatar 3d in inox today. its linkage with adivasi spirituality is amazing. seems like holywood version of operation greenhuntJan 14 10:53
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sunil_abraham: RT @cis_india Bob Horovitz on Opening India's Spectrum, 6pm today at CIS. See http://tr.im/Kfw1 (on... http://tr.im/KfwbJan 14 10:56
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schestowitztessier: caching the Wiki leads to some issues; when changes are made they do now show up, even in the edit pageJan 14 11:03
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @ushahidi: Pass this on. Missing persons registry for #haiti is http://www.haitianquake.comJan 14 11:19
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schestowitzWhat's up with identica through the upgrades?Jan 14 11:34
schestowitzHave they queued requestsJan 14 11:35
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schestowitzIt's like I was posting many things into /dev/null/ yesterdayJan 14 11:35
Diablo-D3wworks great for meJan 14 11:35
DaemonFCschestowitz, I love posting the highlights of Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 81 of US lawJan 14 11:48
DaemonFCwhenever someone talks about piracy costing someone moneyJan 14 11:48
DaemonFCit lists the forms of piracy that are recognized and punishable under US lawJan 14 11:49
DaemonFCnone of them have anything to do with softwareJan 14 11:49
DaemonFC"Ryan  said on January 14th, 2010 at 4:15 AM:Jan 14 11:50
DaemonFCThese are the forms of piracy as recognized by US law. So which kind costs Apple developers money?"Jan 14 11:50
DaemonFC:PJan 14 11:50
DaemonFCI think it may be "§ 1658. Plunder of distressed vessel"Jan 14 11:51
schestowitzMeh.Jan 14 12:16
schestowitzIt's not piracyJan 14 12:17
schestowitzPiracy is a crimeJan 14 12:17
schestowitzBut fortunately we have no piracy in the UKJan 14 12:17
schestowitzBritish boats are also equipped with weapons now, so piracy is not much of a threat to the economyJan 14 12:18
DaemonFCI wonder what's going on in the trial of the pirate we capturedJan 14 12:20
DaemonFCiirc, he didn't really understand the seriousness of his situationJan 14 12:20
DaemonFCor maybe he just figured that the worst American federal prison is still better than living in Somalia, so what the hellJan 14 12:20
DaemonFCMexicans do that all the timeJan 14 12:21
DaemonFCcome here just to commit a crime and go to one of our prisonsJan 14 12:21
DaemonFCthe ones who want a place to stay and food to eat without having to work, that isJan 14 12:22
DaemonFCschestowitz, In Mexico, the police have been bought by the drug cartels, and when you come up on a police checkpoint, they're really just making sure you aren't running drugs for the competition of whoever is bribing themJan 14 12:23
DaemonFCthe first thing the Mexican army and federal police do when they take over a town now is disarm the local police so they don't get shot in the backJan 14 12:24
DaemonFCthe scary thing though is that Mexico has always been so lawless that the criminal gangs are heavily enough armed to take on the army in a firefightJan 14 12:25
schestowitz"So in KMail we see a strong dependence on the project on a particular contributor.  This might indicate this project is trouble.  Certainly if that contributor were to be run over by a bus, the project will loose a significant source of momentum."Jan 14 12:31
schestowitzhttp://blogs.fsfe.org/padams/?p=3Jan 14 12:31
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schestowitzDaemonFC: I *think* you hate MexicoJan 14 12:32
DaemonFCis "rat infested shithole" too strong? :DJan 14 12:32
DaemonFCthere's really not much to like about itJan 14 12:34
DaemonFCIt's so hot that I was sweating and it was evaporating before it could even bead upJan 14 12:34
DaemonFCwe're talking like 100 degrees or more, in the shadeJan 14 12:35
DaemonFCthe reason they're having these problems now was because nobody did anything about it until Calderon grew a pair and decided to wipe the bastards outJan 14 12:36
DaemonFCschestowitz, How many things do you need that read mail anyway?Jan 14 12:37
schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20100112/2020157718.shtml "The real question is what China does now -- and whether either side is bluffing? "Jan 14 12:37
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DaemonFCAre you trying to invoke Zawinski's Law?Jan 14 12:37
*schestowitz looks up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zawinski%27s_LawJan 14 12:38
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schestowitz"Zawinski's Law of Software Envelopment (also known as Zawinski's Law) relates the pressure of popularity to the phenomenon of software bloat:.."Jan 14 12:39
DaemonFC"Every program attempts to expand until it can read mail. Those programs which cannot so expand are replaced by ones which can."Jan 14 12:40
DaemonFCHow many unix programs can read mail anyway?Jan 14 12:42
DaemonFC:)Jan 14 12:42
schestowitzhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/6973757/Facebook-dismisses-rumours-of-charging-plans.htmlJan 14 12:44
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cubezzzZawinkski is out to lunchJan 14 12:48
cubezzzalmost all the command line programs don't read mailJan 14 12:48
cubezzzno old school unix person would ever say thatJan 14 12:48
cubezzztotally contrary to unix designJan 14 12:49
schestowitz"Historically, what it's been is the entertainment industry putting together a list of countries that don't have draconian enough copyright laws, and it gets the USTR to complain about them and put them on a "watch list" of sorts." http://techdirt.com/articles/20100112/2339157722.shtmlJan 14 12:49
phIRCe-localTitle: USTR Will Listen To The Public On Creating Its 'IP Axis Of Evil' List? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 25.1 KBJan 14 12:49
cubezzzdoes that list include Canada? :)Jan 14 12:50
cubezzzor is the "watch list" a secret?Jan 14 12:50
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Bob Horovitz on Opening India's Spectrum @cis_india http://tr.im/Kfwb #cisspectrum #openspectrumJan 14 12:55
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @cis_india: The restriction on spectrum is artificial. Unique regulation structure in India, modified from colonial past. #CISSpectrumJan 14 12:56
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @cis_india: Like Moore's Law in microprocessors, Cooper's Law in spectrum. It's a *very* bold claim! http://tr.im/Kn7G #CISSpectrumJan 14 12:58
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schestowitzcubezzz: axis of evil? Nooooo.......Jan 14 12:58
schestowitzIdentica is still messed upJan 14 12:59
schestowitzLag and message lost from APIJan 14 12:59
MinceRjwz went "out to lunch" long agoJan 14 13:00
MinceRnever returnedJan 14 13:00
schestowitzhttp://torrentfreak.com/record-labels-demand-cash-from-pirate-bay-founders-100111/Jan 14 13:00
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schestowitzLinux ISOsJan 14 13:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Paul Baran, inventor of packet switching, conceived "open spectrum". #CISSpectrumJan 14 13:02
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Radio is still under "authoritarian" legal tradition. ie. nothing is permited. Not specifically forbidden #CISSpectrumJan 14 13:05
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @cis_india: Spectrum, even in liberl societis, is "unles authrized, everythng is forbiden" instd of "allowd unless forbiden" #cisspectrumJan 14 13:11
zoobabNellie Kroes will get a question in her hearing on swpat and net neutrality at 16h30Jan 14 13:20
zoobabdoes anybody can help to dump the stream?Jan 14 13:20
zoobabit is in mms:// Microsoft and patented protocolJan 14 13:20
MinceRmimms can dump such streamsJan 14 13:21
cubezzzwhat is the link?Jan 14 13:21
zoobabthat's the problem, you have to find it on the EP websiteJan 14 13:23
zoobabit is a mess to findJan 14 13:23
zoobaband there are 2 websitesJan 14 13:23
zoobabone is http://europarltv.europa.euJan 14 13:23
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zoobabthe other one is the website of the EP:Jan 14 13:23
zoobabhttp://www.europarl.europa.euJan 14 13:23
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MinceR(also, vlc can stream and play such streams)Jan 14 13:24
DaemonFCzoobab, VLC supports MMS streamingJan 14 13:24
zoobabI knowJan 14 13:24
zoobabbut I need to find the URL firstJan 14 13:24
DaemonFCand MinceR beat me to itJan 14 13:24
DaemonFC:PJan 14 13:24
DaemonFCI don't know why people use mms, Windows Media can be streamed over other protocolsJan 14 13:25
DaemonFCoh well, in for a penny, in for a pound is the way Microsoft operates I guess :PJan 14 13:25
cubezzzwow, this is a big bunch of crapJan 14 13:27
MinceRi don't know why people use winblows mediaJan 14 13:27
zoobabbecause Microsoft went to the Parliament with a ready solutionJan 14 13:27
zoobabhttp://www.europarl.europa.eu/hearings/default.htm?language=enJan 14 13:28
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cubezzzI thought Euro people didn't like MS? :)Jan 14 13:28
MinceRit probably depends on how much they're being paid by them at the momentJan 14 13:29
zoobabEurope does not like MS, but they still use itJan 14 13:30
zoobabhttp://www.europarl.europa.eu/hearings/js/+sfgRmluamFuX1R5cGU9amF2YV9zY3JpcHQmRmluamFuX0xhbmc9dGV4dC9qYXZhc2NyaXB0+/programUrl.jsJan 14 13:31
phIRCe-localTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found .::. Size~: 0 KBJan 14 13:31
zoobabhttp://www.europarl.europa.eu/hearings/js/+sfgRmluamFuX1R5cGU9amF2YV9zY3JpcHQmRmluamFuX0xhbmc9dGV4dC9qYXZhc2NyaXB0+/programUrl.jsJan 14 13:31
phIRCe-localTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found .::. Size~: 0 KBJan 14 13:31
zoobabstandby="Loading Windows Media Player components..."Jan 14 13:31
zoobabnrtCommissioner['KROESN'] = "http://live.europarl.europa.eu/asx/ext/Audition02.asx";Jan 14 13:32
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cubezzzI don't think I can even wget the js fileJan 14 13:32
cubezzzummmJan 14 13:32
zoobabhttp://live.europarl.europa.eu/asx/ext/Audition02.asxJan 14 13:32
phIRCe-localTitle: Error processing the URL:  .::. Size~: 0 KBJan 14 13:32
zoobabmms://livewms.europarl.europa.eu/reflector:58779Jan 14 13:33
DaemonFCMinceR, I always joked about DRM'd WMA filesJan 14 13:34
DaemonFCas using Microsoft PlaysForNow technologyJan 14 13:34
MinceRi call that FailsForSureJan 14 13:34
DaemonFCWMA has been pretty thoroughly reverse engineeredJan 14 13:35
DaemonFCif it's not DRM'd, you should be able to play it back on LinuxJan 14 13:36
cubezzzI get "Unknown ASF streaming type"Jan 14 13:36
cubezzzmust be something really obscureJan 14 13:36
DaemonFCffmpeg even has a crude WMA encoderJan 14 13:36
DaemonFCso it's technically possible to create WMA files on LinuxJan 14 13:36
DaemonFCI don't know why anyone would, or why they even made it possibleJan 14 13:37
MinceRback when i tried, keyframes tended to be missingJan 14 13:38
MinceRin wmvJan 14 13:38
MinceRi have very few wma files, but i think i can play themJan 14 13:38
DaemonFCyeah, the WMV encoder is too bad to even useJan 14 13:38
MinceRi meant the decoder thoughJan 14 13:38
DaemonFCVLC should play WMV files backJan 14 13:39
DaemonFCnobody wants to make a WMA encoder because really the format isn't good enough to be worth getting sued forJan 14 13:40
DaemonFCthere's better ones that don't involve a lawsuite :)Jan 14 13:40
DaemonFC*lawsuitJan 14 13:40
schestowitzhttp://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2010/01/google-ends-censorship-in-china/Jan 14 13:44
phIRCe-localTitle: Labour Party MP for West Bromwich East Tom Watson .::. Size~: 49.4 KBJan 14 13:44
schestowitzhttp://mpexpensesconsultation.org.uk/Jan 14 13:44
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DaemonFCschestowitz, So, any good moat cleanings lately?Jan 14 13:45
schestowitzI missed this one: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/01/08/vega_icd/Jan 14 13:45
phIRCe-localTitle: T-Mobile prescribes hub tablet for UK families • Register Hardware .::. Size~: 25.48 KBJan 14 13:45
schestowitzWhy moats?Jan 14 13:46
schestowitzhttp://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/01/08/bc-whistler-homeless-olympics-relocate.htmlJan 14 13:52
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schestowitzNice, eh?Jan 14 13:52
cubezzzvlc blahblah --mms-allJan 14 13:53
cubezzzmaybeJan 14 13:53
cubezzzor cvlc blah --mms-allJan 14 13:54
cubezzzokJan 14 13:57
cubezzzI got one to work :)Jan 14 13:57
cubezzzcvlc mms://livewms.europarl.europa.eu/reflector:36131 --mms-allJan 14 13:57
cubezzzthe other one you gave didn't seem to be transmitting Jan 14 13:57
cubezzzso it should be doableJan 14 13:58
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schestowitzhttp://arxiv.org/abs/1001.0785Jan 14 14:01
phIRCe-localTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden .::. Size~: 0 KBJan 14 14:01
cubezzztell the Euro guys to stop hiding stuff buried in asx filesJan 14 14:01
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_9#CriticsJan 14 14:03
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DaemonFClulzJan 14 14:03
DaemonFC"The Nigerian government was deeply offended by the film. ...because of the film's negative depiction of the Nigerian characters as criminals and cannibals."Jan 14 14:04
DaemonFCas opposed to AIDs infested 419 scammers?Jan 14 14:04
DaemonFC*AIDSJan 14 14:04
DaemonFCtheir "Information Minister" (There's your first hint) had it bannedJan 14 14:04
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/jan/11/ces-consumption?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitterJan 14 14:06
phIRCe-localTitle: CES 2010: Is it time to end consumption electronics? |Technology |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 115.62 KBJan 14 14:06
schestowitz"Consumption"Jan 14 14:06
schestowitz"Sonsumer"Jan 14 14:06
schestowitz*CoJan 14 14:06
schestowitzDaemonFC: Nigeria is a huge populationJan 14 14:06
DaemonFCI tried consuming electronics, but they broke my teethJan 14 14:06
schestowitzALl countries - esp. large ones - have rotten applesJan 14 14:06
DaemonFCso I stopped :Jan 14 14:06
DaemonFC:)Jan 14 14:07
schestowitzHeh.Jan 14 14:07
schestowitzWell, that's how it's viewedJan 14 14:07
cubezzzactually that stream doesn't look bad even using full screenJan 14 14:07
schestowitzYou devour, then come back for moreJan 14 14:07
schestowitzOver here I recycle trashJan 14 14:07
DaemonFCmeh, I've made do with some really crap systems beforeJan 14 14:07
schestowitzSo most of what goes in the bin is just vegetables, the rest can be washed and sent for reuseJan 14 14:07
schestowitzWater is just water (circulatory) and energy is a tricky oneJan 14 14:08
schestowitzBut we get energy from the SunJan 14 14:08
DaemonFCschestowitz, and it's cheaper to light paper money on fire and use it to power a turbine than it is to install solar panelsJan 14 14:08
schestowitzHere in the West, IIRC, we burn 8 times more energy per person than in AfricaJan 14 14:08
DaemonFC:)Jan 14 14:08
schestowitzNuclear fissionJan 14 14:09
schestowitzuse the c^2Jan 14 14:09
DaemonFCit's not surprising, laying on a dirt floor, looking at the ceiling doesn't use much electricityJan 14 14:09
cubezzzyeah and we are pretty good at paving the earth tooJan 14 14:10
DaemonFCbicycling everywhere doesn't eitherJan 14 14:10
schestowitzI heard it on the radio this morningJan 14 14:10
schestowitzWHen I woke upJan 14 14:10
schestowitzThey advertise cycling nowJan 14 14:10
cubezzzok, looks like it's a wee bit warmer ( only -1.3C )Jan 14 14:10
schestowitzTo reduce carbon emissionsJan 14 14:10
DaemonFCcubezzz, The fact that the Earth has been cooling down for the last decade gets covered upJan 14 14:10
schestowitzSaving 5 miles of driving they sayJan 14 14:10
DaemonFCthe global warming scam continuesJan 14 14:10
schestowitzIt's also good exercise (health)Jan 14 14:10
DaemonFCprofit ensuesJan 14 14:10
cubezzzyeah I'm going out right now :)Jan 14 14:11
schestowitz[14:10] <DaemonFC> cubezzz, The fact that the Earth has been cooling down for the last decade gets covered upJan 14 14:11
schestowitz[Citation needed]Jan 14 14:11
schestowitzYou talk BS, DaemonFCJan 14 14:11
schestowitzIt has been warming upJan 14 14:11
cubezzzmy own useless opinion is it seems things are a bit warmerJan 14 14:11
DaemonFCreal scientific research into the climate gets suppressed to make way for political cap and trade tax agendasJan 14 14:11
schestowitz2009 was very hot hereJan 14 14:11
cubezzzI have 5 years of weather data on my boxJan 14 14:11
DaemonFCthe UN supresses real research all the timeJan 14 14:11
schestowitz2008 and 2006 iirc tooJan 14 14:11
DaemonFCthey're the biggest promoters of global warming liesJan 14 14:12
cubezzzanyways, I'll be back laterJan 14 14:12
schestowitzDaemonFC: we pace up warmingJan 14 14:12
schestowitzGlobal dimming and all, OzoneJan 14 14:12
DaemonFCsounds scary, gives the government an excuse to do what they want and to tax you however much they canJan 14 14:12
DaemonFCit's not real thoughJan 14 14:12
schestowitzYou watched BS, DaemonFCJan 14 14:12
schestowitzMr. ExxonJan 14 14:13
schestowitzLobbying works, I guessJan 14 14:13
DaemonFCglobal warming is all about taxationJan 14 14:13
DaemonFCthe government wants to let people pay to polluteJan 14 14:13
DaemonFCthe money goes to whatever the government wants to spend it onJan 14 14:13
DaemonFCyou tell me how fishy that soundsJan 14 14:13
DaemonFCaccording to Obama it's all about teaching the poor to freeze to death when their energy bills doubleJan 14 14:14
DaemonFCthe rich keep getting to live however they want because they can afford the taxesJan 14 14:14
DaemonFCit's going to plunge millions of people into poverty while enriching the governments and companies that stand to make billions of dollars off this crapJan 14 14:15
DaemonFCit's as much about dis-empowering and destroying what's left of the middle class as much as it's about taking in billions in taxes and corporate profitsJan 14 14:16
DaemonFCthere's a lot of companies that are getting a killing off the global warming myth, like how Ethanol subsidies keep flowing no matter how much money the bastards loseJan 14 14:17
DaemonFCit costs them twice as much to make it as they can sell it for (cause nobody wants it), but don't you worry, your government robbed you of your paycheck to give these people an unlimited stream of moneyJan 14 14:18
DaemonFCyou'll see more and more of thisJan 14 14:18
DaemonFCthat's the biggest ongoing bailout of them all, but I don't see anyone enraged about it because they don't know just how much the government is subsidizing itJan 14 14:19
DaemonFCeven without taxing it, it's only about 10% cheaper than gasoline and brings your miles per gallon down at least 27%Jan 14 14:20
DaemonFCso you're already paying more for it than gas even though there's no taxes on it cause of the government sweetheart dealJan 14 14:21
DaemonFCinstalling solar panels will only cost you about three times what the building itself is worthJan 14 14:22
DaemonFCif you live in your home for the next 150 years or so, solar starts really paying for itselfJan 14 14:22
DaemonFCthere's really no "environmentally friendly" way to produce a useful amount of energy, schestowitz Jan 14 14:24
DaemonFCbottle up cow farts and burn them I guessJan 14 14:24
DaemonFCshort of exterminating about 5 billion people, there's just no way to stop where this is goingJan 14 14:25
DaemonFCand even killing 5 billion people would only buy us several hundred years until we're back up to the point we are nowJan 14 14:26
DaemonFCschestowitz, Every single person on the planet would have to die to avert this so-called climate change catastropheJan 14 14:26
DaemonFCwhich if it happens, will probably kill every person on the planetJan 14 14:27
DaemonFCand cubezzz, pavement is nice, it gets rid of those annoying animals who had millions of years to do anything they wanted and decided to spend their life shitting in a fieldJan 14 14:28
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jan/11/china-mobile-telecommsJan 14 14:29
phIRCe-localTitle: State owned China Mobile is world's biggest mobile phone operator |Business |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 93.39 KBJan 14 14:29
schestowitzhttp://digg.com/users/glynmoodyJan 14 14:29
DaemonFCtheir lossJan 14 14:29
phIRCe-localTitle: Error processing the URL:  .::. Size~: 0 KBJan 14 14:29
schestowitzheh.Jan 14 14:29
schestowitzDaemonFC: no, conception managementJan 14 14:30
schestowitzMaking it less affordable to reproduceJan 14 14:30
DaemonFCthe UN throws out any scientific data that doesn't agree with global warmingJan 14 14:30
DaemonFCthey cover it upJan 14 14:30
DaemonFCit's not even a dissenting view, it just vanishedJan 14 14:30
DaemonFCpossibly along with whoever wrote itJan 14 14:31
DaemonFCschestowitz, I'll tell you how to do that, if you want my honest opinion, totally uncensoredJan 14 14:31
DaemonFCstop fucking paying them to have kidsJan 14 14:31
DaemonFCthat'll make it less affordableJan 14 14:31
DaemonFC:)Jan 14 14:32
DaemonFCschestowitz, the only thing I think the government should offer to pay for is contraceptives or sterilizationJan 14 14:32
DaemonFCyour choiceJan 14 14:33
DaemonFCdon't come whining and wanting taxpayer money when you get knocked upJan 14 14:33
schestowitzhttp://www.biolsci.org/v05p0706.htmJan 14 14:33
phIRCe-localTitle: A Comparison of the Effects of Three GM Corn Varieties on Mammalian Health .::. Size~: 93.81 KBJan 14 14:33
schestowitz[sarcasm] Maybe they can use Monsanto to give us all cancer, unless we're given ammunitionJan 14 14:33
DaemonFCschestowitz, Do you know how much welfare a woman gets for having a child?Jan 14 14:34
DaemonFCit's beyond ridiculousJan 14 14:34
DaemonFCshe can get hundreds of dollars in food stamps alone, that's before the government starts handing her anything up to $400 a month in cash to "supplement" her incomeJan 14 14:34
schestowitzThat money can be reallocated... to vasectomies! ;-)Jan 14 14:34
DaemonFCthey need to supplement her ass all the way to the employment officeJan 14 14:35
DaemonFCand make her stop sponging off taxpayersJan 14 14:35
DaemonFChell, get a job, sell drugs, I don't careJan 14 14:37
DaemonFCwatching these career welfare moms brag about how much they're fleecing taxpayers for sickens meJan 14 14:37
DaemonFCthey pop out more kids cause it's more profitable to do that than it is to workJan 14 14:37
DaemonFCschestowitz, These people learn all the ins and outs of the public welfare system, that is their jobJan 14 14:38
schestowitzMassive rise in people shining lasers at planes http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8454318.stmJan 14 14:38
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DaemonFCas long as the government rewards them for reproducing, there will be unsustainable population growthJan 14 14:39
schestowitzDIdn't Clinton end it?Jan 14 14:39
schestowitzHe set a time limit, IIRCJan 14 14:39
schestowitzLike 3 yearsJan 14 14:39
DaemonFCI consider them to be prostituted, they get paid for laying on their backJan 14 14:39
DaemonFCfor that program, yes, 5 years btwJan 14 14:39
DaemonFCbut they fake illnesses and get on Social SecurityJan 14 14:39
DaemonFCthen they get a check for $250 for each of their kids tooJan 14 14:40
DaemonFCand they illegally sell their food stampsJan 14 14:40
schestowitzI've never heard someone describing prostitution as " laying on one's back"Jan 14 14:40
schestowitzYou're just being very rudeJan 14 14:40
DaemonFCand they get more money by signing up for energy assistanceJan 14 14:41
schestowitzI have a friend in NJ whose kid she had with her partner before he leftJan 14 14:41
DaemonFCthey just hit up every program the government hasJan 14 14:41
schestowitzSo you generalise to say that all such people are baby machines or somethingJan 14 14:41
schestowitzThe system does have a purposeJan 14 14:41
DaemonFCschestowitz, The system has a purposeJan 14 14:41
schestowitzSolution:Jan 14 14:42
DaemonFCit's bribing voters to vote for the DemocratsJan 14 14:42
schestowitzFind the loopholes, close themJan 14 14:42
schestowitzIdentify 'use cases'Jan 14 14:42
DaemonFCthe more Democrats are in office, the more of these programs spring upJan 14 14:42
schestowitzSo vote Bush, DaemonFCJan 14 14:43
DaemonFCthe more of these programs spring up, the more loyal their core constituency getsJan 14 14:43
schestowitzYou have self-punishing tendencies anywayJan 14 14:43
DaemonFCschestowitz, I don't like the Republicans either, for different reasonsJan 14 14:43
schestowitzSo don't vote for themJan 14 14:43
DaemonFCboth of the have driven our government into trillions of dollars of debt to finance stupid shitJan 14 14:44
zoobabthe streaming is around 17hJan 14 14:44
DaemonFCbuy political favorsJan 14 14:44
DaemonFCschestowitz, Unfortunately the choice is bad, worse, or sit out when it comes to voting in the USJan 14 14:45
schestowitzhttp://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18383-major-antarctic-glacier-is-past-its-tipping-point.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-newsJan 14 14:45
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schestowitzEat this, devilJan 14 14:46
schestowitzDaemonFC: you watch a lot of right-wing BSJan 14 14:46
schestowitzI can see itJan 14 14:46
schestowitzYour talk about the east....Jan 14 14:46
schestowitzAbout Dems and walfareJan 14 14:46
schestowitzYou're being poisoned without knowing about it.... re climate tooJan 14 14:46
DaemonFCWelfare queensJan 14 14:46
DaemonFCnah, I've seen the system in actionJan 14 14:47
schestowitzIt would be good to divide the US in two againJan 14 14:47
DaemonFCpaying my former step sister to have sex with random menJan 14 14:47
schestowitzLet the new-conservatives run their own failing countriesJan 14 14:47
DaemonFCand keep having kids by all of themJan 14 14:47
schestowitzANd let the rest live in (more) peaceJan 14 14:47
schestowitzCall the neocon state "USia"Jan 14 14:48
schestowitzMake it a two-party nationJan 14 14:48
schestowitzNRA for the "left"Jan 14 14:48
DaemonFCWhy is it that the Vietnam War was started by a Democrat president?Jan 14 14:48
schestowitzLet them try to borrow from China to go to oil warsJan 14 14:48
schestowitzWe'll see how far they getJan 14 14:48
DaemonFCWhy is Obama expanding the Iraq/Afghanistan thingJan 14 14:48
schestowitzProbably holding shotguns at border point, looking for Mexicans ("targets")Jan 14 14:49
DaemonFCObama is borrowing money from China to fund oil wars he is expandingJan 14 14:49
DaemonFCamong all kinds of wasteful "stimulus" boondogglesJan 14 14:49
trmancohttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzg3OAJan 14 14:50
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DaemonFCschestowitz, There was a political cartoon I saw the other day, had two people living in a box, and Obama trying to sell them some weatherizing stripsJan 14 14:50
DaemonFC:)Jan 14 14:50
DaemonFCunemployment is the highest it's been in decades, millions of people losing their homesJan 14 14:51
cubezzzbecause of the banksJan 14 14:51
DaemonFCbut dammit, we can weatherize them and save 2% on the electric billJan 14 14:51
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DaemonFCObama and his $790 trillion of borrowed Chinese moneyJan 14 14:51
DaemonFCwe should just stop the bullshit and adopt the Yen as our official currencyJan 14 14:52
DaemonFCwe can just spend it in the form of where it all really comes fromJan 14 14:52
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schestowitzhttp://schoolofeverything.com/Jan 14 14:58
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schestowitzhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8458298.stmJan 14 14:58
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schestowitz$790 trillion???Jan 14 14:59
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schestowitzOver two million per American soul, including kids? ;-)Jan 14 15:00
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cubezzzcompiled my first module :)Jan 14 15:04
schestowitzMeh\! http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2010/jan/13/stop-and-search-defenceJan 14 15:10
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] People in #emacs are active, helpfull and talkative ;-)Jan 14 15:15
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] suddenly @abbe ping me in #emacs-in and says "zer0c00l: Big brother is watching you .... ;-)" LOL #ftwJan 14 15:15
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schestowitzhttp://www.foxcharlotte.com/dpps/news/dpgo-Peter-Backus-uses-math-to-explain-girlfriend-woes-fc-20100112_5537488Jan 14 15:16
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schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/12/brown_home_access_scheme_national_rollout/Jan 14 15:20
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schestowitz"The then schools minister Jim Knight said in January 2009 that Microsoft had created something he described as a “re-investment fund”. The software maker agreed to “commit to fund a foundation in support of the Home Access programme”."Jan 14 15:20
trmancohttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzg3OQJan 14 15:21
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] good lord. i start editing rationalwiki again and it goes down again. grah.Jan 14 15:22
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/12/google_docs_does_uploads_for_any_file_type/Jan 14 15:25
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schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/13/hpc_in_retail_sector/Jan 14 15:30
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft #Search is Down in Its Home Country http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/14/microsoft-search-down-in-us/Jan 14 15:31
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft -manned #VMware Still Against the #GPL http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/14/relicensing-springsource-dm-server/Jan 14 15:37
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satiperatrying again from netbook this timeJan 14 15:40
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/14/orange_jobs/Jan 14 15:41
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schestowitzThere's lots of lies in the press this day about economy recoveringJan 14 15:41
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Former #Microsoft Intern Gives Thumbs-up to #Ubuntu #GNU Linux http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/14/ubuntu-cold-turkey/Jan 14 15:42
schestowitzI wonder who's responsible for thisJan 14 15:42
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trmancohttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzg4MAJan 14 15:42
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schestowitzhttp://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/techchron/detail?blogid=19&entry_id=55106Jan 14 15:43
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trmancocongrats to mr. TedJan 14 15:43
satiperaRef net neutrality. I had a rep from talk talk contact me today who said that if I signed up for their "pro" tarrif although I would bve sharing a line with others (as is normal) my traffic would be given priority, is this legal?Jan 14 15:43
schestowitzManchester to gain fibre network http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8455284.stmJan 14 15:45
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schestowitzNice.Jan 14 15:45
schestowitztrmanco: which one?Jan 14 15:46
trmancowhich one what?=Jan 14 15:46
schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1586138/google-tightens-gmail-securityJan 14 15:47
schestowitzTedJan 14 15:47
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schestowitzTso?Jan 14 15:47
schestowitzFather Ted?Jan 14 15:47
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/186734/windwos_office_for_rent.html?tk=rss_newsJan 14 15:48
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trmancoyesJan 14 15:49
trmancoTsoJan 14 15:49
trmancothe ext4 fs kernel hackerJan 14 15:49
rnbgood morning allJan 14 15:52
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] British MEP Responds to #Microsoft Lobby Against #EIFv2 http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/14/bsa-and-visible-technologies-do-evil/Jan 14 15:53
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rnboh i'm so sick of hearing google preach about chinaJan 14 15:55
rnbi dont know which is worseJan 14 15:56
rnbthe hypocritical snobs at google or the complacent media that lets them turn a huge security lapse into a moral stand that never seemed to bother them beforeJan 14 15:56
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/186846/realnetworks_founder_to_step_down.html?tk=rss_newsJan 14 15:58
phIRCe-localTitle: RealNetworks' Founder to Step Down - PC World .::. Size~: 62.2 KBJan 14 15:58
schestowitztrmanco: what's with him?Jan 14 15:58
schestowitzrnb: yes, it flooded the newsJan 14 15:59
schestowitzIt's a Windows flawJan 14 15:59
schestowitzI'm gonna write about itJan 14 15:59
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/186873/Google_Moves_Gmail_to_More_Secure_HTTPS_Service.html?tk=rss_newsJan 14 16:00
phIRCe-localTitle: Google Moves Gmail to More Secure HTTPS Service - PC World .::. Size~: 71.16 KBJan 14 16:00
FurnaceBoyrnb++Jan 14 16:00
rnbaghghg google securityJan 14 16:01
schestowitzBl000dy hellJan 14 16:01
schestowitzIn PC world, like 1 in 10 articles is about China-GOogleJan 14 16:01
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/186881/china_emphasizes_laws_as_google_defieJan 14 16:01
phIRCe-localTitle: China Emphasizes Laws as Google Defies Censorship - PC World .::. Size~: 63.66 KBJan 14 16:01
schestowitzWho give a -?Jan 14 16:01
rnbi know at least 5 sysadmins living in crappy corporate apartments and making $80k a year at google who would happily give up someone's email for a couple 8-ballsJan 14 16:01
rnband i see that this vivek kundra has encouraged DOD officials to use gmail for government services?Jan 14 16:02
FurnaceBoyhahaJan 14 16:02
schestowitz:-)Jan 14 16:03
schestowitzWeb 2 Oh!!!CLOUD!!!Jan 14 16:03
rnbi know SPAM COMPANIES who run their own internal email servers just so they can keep their offer partners a secretJan 14 16:03
trmancohe is going to work for googleJan 14 16:03
FurnaceBoy"We don't DO evil! We just ENABLE evil!"Jan 14 16:03
schestowitztrmanco: that's OKJan 14 16:03
rnbi hate googleJan 14 16:03
rnbi hate the DODJan 14 16:03
schestowitzIBM was no great place, eitherJan 14 16:03
schestowitzDOD uses some Linux (Red Hat)Jan 14 16:04
schestowitzDODOJan 14 16:04
rnbhell, IBM sold death counting machines to the fkn nazisJan 14 16:04
schestowitzIBM defends software patentsJan 14 16:04
trmancoimprove ext4 for performance, something that it's been losing with all these kernel releases...Jan 14 16:04
schestowitzThey are also arrogant at IBMJan 14 16:04
rnbi am abandoning the west and i'm going to devote myself to the chinese-latin america communist blocJan 14 16:05
schestowitzI never thought about it quite that way, but Google breach turned into polical blame game. http://www.techworld.com.au/article/332388/cost_google_pulling_china?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1Jan 14 16:05
phIRCe-localTitle: The Cost of Google Pulling Out of China - business, China, Google - Techworld .::. Size~: 51.17 KBJan 14 16:06
rnbpfft, google would have never made this moral stand if that breach hadnt happenedJan 14 16:06
schestowitzrnb: why not just improve where you are?Jan 14 16:06
schestowitzHere's the thing:Jan 14 16:06
schestowitzOther countries don't need 'you'Jan 14 16:06
rnbwhere i am is in the world!Jan 14 16:06
schestowitzThey are mostly overpopulatedJan 14 16:06
schestowitzThey do need some skilled peopleJan 14 16:07
schestowitzLike teachers or researchersJan 14 16:07
schestowitzBut that misses the pointJan 14 16:07
schestowitzWould you not rather fix where you are?Jan 14 16:07
rnbwhere i am is the planet earth!Jan 14 16:07
schestowitzrnb: Google powwow"Jan 14 16:07
schestowitz"hey, Eric, we got ownd, man!!"Jan 14 16:07
schestowitzEric: "Quick, Sergei, hit the alarm!"Jan 14 16:07
schestowitzLarry: "we need to brainstorm"Jan 14 16:08
schestowitzEric: "could we send Marrisa to flirt with the public?"Jan 14 16:08
rnbschestowitz: dont say "white board" .. i might go insaneJan 14 16:08
schestowitzSergei: "no, no....... is business"Jan 14 16:08
schestowitzLarry: "how about we fake a distraction"Jan 14 16:08
schestowitzEric: "I like..."Jan 14 16:08
rnbmeanwhile, you know google forces its employees to sit and listen to neo-fascist weirdos like thomas friedman all the timeJan 14 16:09
schestowitzLarry: "Eric, call Drammund [spelling], make him carefully write a blog item."Jan 14 16:09
rnbin their "employee lecture series"Jan 14 16:09
rnbplus everyone i know who works at google is such a fkn snobJan 14 16:09
schestowitzSergei: "yeah, and make sure you have PR people parse through it first to make it lookm good. oH, and call senator Clinton to do her usual anti-China thing"Jan 14 16:10
cubezzzthose google founders are very richJan 14 16:10
cubezzzeveryone got rich except StallmanJan 14 16:11
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody At the top of the tallest building in the world - http://bit.ly/7nKeLk insane project, stunning views #dubai #pixJan 14 16:11
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schestowitzRMS mailed me todayJan 14 16:11
cubezzzreally?Jan 14 16:11
schestowitzYeahJan 14 16:11
cubezzzso what's up? :)Jan 14 16:12
schestowitzhttp://www.techworld.com.au/article/332400/google_gaining_baidu_china_search_market?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1Jan 14 16:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Testing patches for http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOnWindows ah, the smell of unspeakable eldritch evil in the morningJan 14 16:12
cubezzzcan you talk about it?Jan 14 16:12
schestowitzNoJan 14 16:12
phIRCe-localTitle: Google gaining on Baidu in China search market - baidu, China, Google - Techworld .::. Size~: 47.81 KBJan 14 16:12
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rnbi love the man (rms) but sweet jesus you need a gas mask to go near himJan 14 16:12
schestowitzI doubt itJan 14 16:12
rnbwhatever money he does have needs to be invested in some soapJan 14 16:13
schestowitzWhy? did you talk to him? Or did the anti-RMS crowd tell you?Jan 14 16:13
cubezzzPerens sits beside himJan 14 16:13
schestowitzrnb: not funnyJan 14 16:13
rnbschestowitz: why not?Jan 14 16:13
schestowitzNot true, I suspectJan 14 16:13
cubezzzthose tower pics are amazingJan 14 16:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Green Sea Slug Is Part Animal, Part Plant - http://bit.ly/4t86XV makes chlorophyll - why can't we do that trick?Jan 14 16:14
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schestowitzHe was here in Manchester last year  or 2008Jan 14 16:14
schestowitzHe travels a lot thoughJan 14 16:14
schestowitzWhat's with hurd sticking in tongue in Steve's?Jan 14 16:15
schestowitzhttp://www.techworld.com.au/article/332363/microsoft_hp_ceos_announce_joint_investment?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1Jan 14 16:15
phIRCe-localTitle: Microsoft and HP CEOs to announce joint investment - HP, Microsoft, partnership, tech investment - Techworld .::. Size~: 49.24 KBJan 14 16:15
schestowitzHP sickens me for all sorts of reasons, the least of which is the spying on peopleJan 14 16:15
schestowitzThere should be rules for suspending rogue companies like MS, Intel, HPJan 14 16:16
cubezzzHP doesn't seem to be all that great Jan 14 16:16
schestowitzTake them off the market for 1 yearJan 14 16:16
schestowitzSee how they like itJan 14 16:16
cubezzzARM is coming...Jan 14 16:16
schestowitzThat will show that governments are in charge, not this amorphous thing called "corporations"Jan 14 16:16
cubezzzand you can buy from Epson and not HPJan 14 16:16
schestowitzA set of private tyrannies appointing their cronies to 'run' the nationJan 14 16:17
rnbschestowitz: that doesnt happen in china!Jan 14 16:17
rnbor cubaJan 14 16:17
rnbor venezuelaJan 14 16:17
schestowitzArghhh....... the news is polluted by CHina-GoogleJan 14 16:17
rnbor boliviaJan 14 16:17
schestowitzNews: google cracked for Windows Trojans in people's PCsJan 14 16:17
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schestowitzAnd now it's a pretend-ArmageddonJan 14 16:18
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schestowitzrnb: they still fight against those who want to dismantle abusive corporationsJan 14 16:18
schestowitzInc. overseas onesJan 14 16:18
schestowitzLike the United Fruit CompanyJan 14 16:18
schestowitzSo even if Bolivia got rid of the oligarchs who try to overthrow a republic, they would still have all sorts of criminal corporations like Monsanto looking for a buckJan 14 16:19
schestowitzIf fail, then war can be justified somehow... then Haliburton in for the loot :-)Jan 14 16:20
rnbschestowitz: you must not be following the 21st-century socialist revolution aka the Fifth InternationalJan 14 16:20
rnbschestowitz: that kind of thing is being stamped out in latin americaJan 14 16:20
rnbhere's your fkn google for you ->Jan 14 16:21
rnbhttp://newsfromrussia.com/world/asia/14-01-2010/111657-google_china-0Jan 14 16:21
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @davidgerard Testing patches for http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOnWindows ah, the smell of unspeakable eldritch evil in the morningJan 14 16:21
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] New Blog Post: "Ubuntu Boxee and get_iplayer on the Acer Aspire Revo" http://bit.ly/86iGGFJan 14 16:21
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schestowitzhttp://rss.cnn.com/~r/rss/cnn_tech/~3/kolRSVV7TX0/index.htmlJan 14 16:21
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schestowitzI reckon some people already try to figure out how to profit from itJan 14 16:22
schestowitzLike some people made a lot of cash from KatrinaJan 14 16:22
rnbwhich makes sense, given that thomas friedman is a US govt mole, tooJan 14 16:22
schestowitzrnb: Matt Cutts was a SppokJan 14 16:22
schestowitz*SpookJan 14 16:22
schestowitzrnb: not exactlyJan 14 16:22
schestowitzThey say he's like the Whitehouse/govt 'plug' in the pressJan 14 16:23
schestowitzNYT and allJan 14 16:23
schestowitzThe unofficial spokesmanJan 14 16:23
rnbthat's what a mole is!Jan 14 16:23
rnbwhether he's a mole or a plug, he's on my listJan 14 16:23
rnbnow that's a lecture i'd like to see at google - Thomas Friedman: Mole or Plug?Jan 14 16:24
schestowitzI think the CIA came to Google /After/ they had become bigJan 14 16:24
schestowitzNot the oppositeJan 14 16:24
schestowitzCIA is like the KGBJan 14 16:24
schestowitzOnly it's "us", not "them"Jan 14 16:24
schestowitzANd Bush doctrine proved thisJan 14 16:24
schestowitzWiretapping without warrants, planned assassinations, fabrications, etc.Jan 14 16:24
rnbdoes it really matter? the point is google is pure evilJan 14 16:25
schestowitzThe whistle blowers who used to work for the CIA are very sober and informativeJan 14 16:25
schestowitzrnb: it's useful for my Web searchesJan 14 16:25
schestowitzI won't touch the thing for other thingsJan 14 16:25
rnbto borrow from his excellency, President Chavez, you can smell sulfur heading down 101 past mountain viewJan 14 16:26
schestowitzI used it for AdSense before, but the options seemed limited. I now use AdBord, to advance Free softwareJan 14 16:26
schestowitz*BardJan 14 16:26
schestowitzhttp://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/01/11/mars.exploration/index.htmlJan 14 16:27
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Back track 4 final release available: http://www.backtrack-linux.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/torrent-button.png want to try it :-)Jan 14 16:28
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schestowitzhttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/nyregion/12ironman.htmlJan 14 16:30
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schestowitzhttp://www.couponsherpa.com/ask-coupon-sherpa/place-your-bets-40-gut-busing-restaurant-challenges-for-free-food/Jan 14 16:30
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rnbin the meantime, as the US press all pat each other on the back for our collective "bold stance" against chinese censorship,Jan 14 16:31
rnbthere's not so much play on the story about how the united states is at war in countries all over the worldJan 14 16:32
rnbthat kind of hurts the "good guy" image, you know?Jan 14 16:32
rnbNO to search engine censorship, YES to carnage!Jan 14 16:33
schestowitzhttp://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=5612&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zdnet%2Fopen-source+%28ZDNet+Open+Source%29 "Google’s decision to go public on China’s efforts to control its own Internet, and people, by every means necessary may become Hillary Clinton’s Cuban missile crisis."Jan 14 16:33
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rnbi saw that zdnet blogJan 14 16:34
rnbit's absurdJan 14 16:34
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rnbthe cuban missile crisis was about nuclear destruction of the worldJan 14 16:34
rnbhttp://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-01-14/pakistani-taliban-chief-alive-after-missile-attack-kills-13.htmlJan 14 16:35
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rnbhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8458806.stmJan 14 16:36
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Waft of perfume around the office just reminded me of an ex-girlfriend from 13 years ago. Isn't the brain a magic thing.Jan 14 16:36
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rnber, that was: Suicide bombing kills 20 in Afghanistan market Jan 14 16:36
rnbhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16962Jan 14 16:37
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schestowitzWhat if Gogle did StreetView in China using tasks with 4 cameras?Jan 14 16:38
rnbwith all this bombing people to little pieces and military expansion, i think what's most important is that in the US, you are free to search for anything so that it can be catalogued and provided to the DHS so they can spy on dissidentsJan 14 16:38
cubezzz2http://ostatic.com/blog/richard-stallman-on-gpl-exceptionsJan 14 16:39
schestowitzNot just thatJan 14 16:39
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schestowitzThey can use evidence proactivelyJan 14 16:40
schestowitzIf you do something they don't like they get to check your (g)mail, browsing history (pagerank/Analytics), search phrases, etc.Jan 14 16:40
schestowitzIf they know you did something wrong, they have extortion/imprisonment powers over youJan 14 16:41
rnbcertainlyJan 14 16:41
schestowitzThat's why privacy is considered importantJan 14 16:41
schestowitzWW2Jan 14 16:41
schestowitzANother method is illegalising of everythingJan 14 16:41
schestowitzIt makes everyone a criminakJan 14 16:41
schestowitzThings like jaywalkingJan 14 16:41
schestowitzOr downloading of some tuneJan 14 16:42
schestowitzWhen you are labelled "criminal", you are at someone else's mercy/ controlJan 14 16:42
schestowitzThat's how academics get silencedJan 14 16:43
schestowitzNot for their viewsJan 14 16:43
schestowitzIf you want to get rid of them, you'll find some other axcuseJan 14 16:43
schestowitzYou can't discharge for free expressionJan 14 16:43
cubezzz2no one can silence me :)Jan 14 16:43
schestowitzYou can come up with other excusesJan 14 16:43
schestowitzSame with reporters, politicians (impeachment), eyc.Jan 14 16:43
rnbdont worry, we're going to stop them!Jan 14 16:45
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rnbschestowitz: maybe the govt support DID come early for googleJan 14 16:52
rnbhttp://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2006/061206seedmoney.htmJan 14 16:52
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rnbhttp://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2010/01/201011402229686845.htmlJan 14 17:00
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rnbhighest war budget ever! so thats ... a KIND of change, right?Jan 14 17:01
schestowitzHmmmmmm.. plagiarism? http://www.unixmen.com/news-today/708-openofficeorg-in-internet-cafes-threat-to-microsoftJan 14 17:03
schestowitzhttp://www.mealldubh.org/index.php/2010/01/12/openoffice-org-in-internet-cafes-threat-to-microsoft/Jan 14 17:04
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rnbspeaking of censorship ... Iraq war veteran arrested over rap songJan 14 17:04
schestowitzrnb: it's the Jones echo chamberJan 14 17:04
schestowitzNot reliableJan 14 17:04
rnbIn a statement from jail he said the song was "just hip-hop" and a "free expression of how people feel about the army and its stop-loss policy."Jan 14 17:04
schestowitzThe story I know if that Google relatives helped fund themJan 14 17:04
schestowitzThen there was VCJan 14 17:04
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Slashdot submission on China attacking Google: http://is.gd/6ghuaJan 14 17:05
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schestowitzrnb: I posted that Obama link yesterdayJan 14 17:05
schestowitz"We've always been in war [with] [*]"Jan 14 17:05
rnbschestowitz: yes, people should realize their credibility is hurt by being associated with alex jonesJan 14 17:05
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schestowitzThere's a bigger problem hereJan 14 17:07
schestowitzThere's polluters of informationJan 14 17:07
schestowitzTHose who hijack something, then distort it and dismiss itJan 14 17:07
schestowitzA friend of mind reckons Jones could be set up by the secret services (crazy, I know) to damage real informationJan 14 17:08
schestowitzThink of it that way:Jan 14 17:08
schestowitzYou take some hot storyJan 14 17:08
schestowitzSOemthing that's a blow to the perpetratorsJan 14 17:08
schestowitzYou put it in the hands of nutcasesJan 14 17:08
schestowitzAnd then eternally it gets associated with themJan 14 17:08
schestowitzSo nobody bothersJan 14 17:08
rnbeh, but what's a "hot story" anymore?Jan 14 17:10
schestowitzDunnoJan 14 17:10
rnbnobody caresJan 14 17:10
rnbthe US runs secret concentration camps all over the world where they torture peopleJan 14 17:10
rnbafter kidnapping them without causeJan 14 17:10
rnbno one caresJan 14 17:11
rnb... as an exampleJan 14 17:11
schestowitzI got a critic: "Also, interestingly, from a link on the Xconomy piece I found this blog  post which has some pretty negative things to say about social media monitoring in general.  Food for thought, but I don’t agree with the writer.  Social media monitoring has its place in our newly interconnected world and if it brings up problems like “hounding” or “silencing” of critics, well, then that’s a different problem to soJan 14 17:17
schestowitzhttp://thepursuitofalife.com/visible-technologies-pockets-overfloweth-with-benjamins/Jan 14 17:18
schestowitzAny relation to the company?Jan 14 17:18
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schestowitzrnb: they are not concentration campsJan 14 17:18
schestowitzThat's the BS from JonesJan 14 17:18
schestowitzThey are torture chambersJan 14 17:18
schestowitzLike the one discovered recently in Ukraine (IIRC) under some horse-riding schoolJan 14 17:18
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schestowitzIt saves them time and fuel when interrogating and it's probably illegal, but hey... Bush and chums never cared about the lawJan 14 17:19
schestowitzIt's like, "it's nice to obey the law, but we don't have to"Jan 14 17:19
schestowitz:-)Jan 14 17:19
schestowitzThe Google Yo! conference is coming http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Registration-opens-for-Google-I-O-2010-903866.htmlJan 14 17:21
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schestowitzMaybe they'll do the same as in MIT /sarcasmJan 14 17:21
schestowitzRecruitment for the CIA /sarcasmJan 14 17:21
schestowitzhttp://thepursuitofalife.com/social-media-club-seattle-kickoff-recap/Jan 14 17:24
schestowitz"On Tuesday night I attended the kickoff event for the Social Media Club Seattle, sponsored by Visible Technologies and the Spring Creek Group. "Jan 14 17:24
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schestowitzrnb: There's the two extremes; people who believe everything they see on TV and those who believe anything in YouTUbeJan 14 17:27
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] how about some e-newspapers now huh?http://bit.ly/5ICAQEJan 14 17:33
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rnb_schestowitz: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/concentration+campJan 14 17:45
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rnb_"a guarded compound for the detention or imprisonment of aliens, members of ethnic minorities, political opponents, etc.,"Jan 14 17:46
rnb_Origin: 1900–05, applied orig. to camps where noncombatants were placed during the Boer WarJan 14 17:46
rnb_http://www.thefreedictionary.com/concentration+campJan 14 17:46
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rnb_"A camp where civilians, enemy aliens, political prisoners, and sometimes prisoners of war are detained and confined, typically under harsh conditions."Jan 14 17:46
rnb_The prison at Bagram Airfield, Gitmo and the secret extraordinary rendition sites are concentration campsJan 14 17:48
rnb_At least in the 60s and 70s, there were people in the US who cared enough to do something about the butcher policies of the united statesJan 14 17:51
rnb_in the 21st century, most people in the US could give a shit that it's happening at all, let alone do something about itJan 14 17:52
rnb_it's a disgraceJan 14 17:52
rnb_and i blame every US citizen in a comfortable economic position who does nothing about itJan 14 17:53
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-01-14-009-35-NW-CD-NV-0000 "After all this time MathFox is no longer shown as being the Groklaw webmaster. Was there a announcement about this which I have missed? Anyway, thanks MathFox."Jan 14 17:57
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Ballmer celebrates 10th anniversary as Dark Lord of the Sith http://ur1.ca/jtpx #microsoft #douchebagJan 14 17:58
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schestowitzrnb_: so would you classify Guantanamo  as that?Jan 14 17:58
schestowitzIt's a prison/interrogation facility not for opposing polical views or religionJan 14 17:59
rnb_schestowitz: it seems to meet the definitionJan 14 17:59
schestowitzLooselyJan 14 17:59
schestowitzBut I never saw it referred to in such a wayJan 14 17:59
schestowitzThere are charges against these peopleJan 14 17:59
schestowitzNo convictions, but chargesJan 14 17:59
rnb_schestowitz: that's not trueJan 14 17:59
schestowitzAllegations?Jan 14 17:59
rnb_schestowitz: not even..Jan 14 18:00
rnb_schestowitz: hell, the first batch of them were just random people sold to the US by the northern allianceJan 14 18:00
rnb_schestowitz: there are all kinds of stories of people who were released after 6 or 7 years without ever knowing why they were thereJan 14 18:00
neighborleernb_: it doesn't make much sense to blame so many, when one preson, ex president bush was in charge of making the u.s.a look bad, on HIS watch..obama is trying to clean it up, though he's had constant push back from republicansJan 14 18:01
neighborleernb_: you can also blame ex vice prez cheney for the 'torture' stuff if thats another thing your concerne about..which is now illegal under obamaJan 14 18:02
rnb_neighborlee: oh come on, the US has been at war under every president since FDR (and, really, for long before that)Jan 14 18:02
schestowitzneighborlee: he hasn't shut down those facilities yetJan 14 18:02
neighborleewell good luck on changing the whole war scenario..many countries fall prey to that ideologyJan 14 18:03
schestowitzHe also expands some wars and strikes in YemenJan 14 18:03
neighborleeschestowitz: I didn't say he had royJan 14 18:03
neighborleeI said he's working on itJan 14 18:03
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Arbitron Study Finds #SiriusXM Listenership Up http://ur1.ca/jtqiJan 14 18:03
rnb_obama has not ended the extraordinary rendition programJan 14 18:03
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neighborleebush made a mess... such things take 'time' to deal with ;)Jan 14 18:03
rnb_he EXPANDED funding for the Bagram prisonJan 14 18:03
schestowitzGuatanamo might only MAKE terroristsJan 14 18:03
Diablo-D3ENOUGH.Jan 14 18:03
schestowitzImagine being locked up as innocent for so longJan 14 18:03
Diablo-D3Can't we leave politics out of this channel?Jan 14 18:04
neighborleeLOLJan 14 18:04
Diablo-D3Microsoft hate only, goddamnit.Jan 14 18:04
rnb_Diablo-D3: "Communication about anything" it says ...Jan 14 18:04
rnb_we need google to come here and save us from this censorship!!Jan 14 18:04
Diablo-D3Yes, and I'm sawing Roy's foot off and putting it downJan 14 18:04
neighborleepolitics are in many arenas.if it bothers you so much  leave the channel ;)Jan 14 18:04
schestowitzOuch.Jan 14 18:04
Diablo-D3no more politics!Jan 14 18:04
rnb_it isnt "politics"Jan 14 18:04
Diablo-D3this isnt ##republican!Jan 14 18:04
rnb_it's just lifeJan 14 18:05
neighborleetheir are ramifications in many areas for politics,.Jan 14 18:05
rnb_it's what is going on in the worldJan 14 18:05
schestowitzFor s/wJan 14 18:05
schestowitzI can't separate themJan 14 18:05
schestowitzSame with copyrightJan 14 18:05
Diablo-D3rnb_: yes, and I dont care whats going on in the worldJan 14 18:05
Diablo-D3a) we cant blame Obama for Congress's problemsJan 14 18:05
schestowitzCopyright>politics>patents>software>copyright>politics...Jan 14 18:05
schestowitzObama is a good spokespersonJan 14 18:05
schestowitzI like Obama given what he can achieveJan 14 18:06
rnb_Diablo-D3: well then go stuff your face back in a bag of doritos and wait for your next WoW sessionJan 14 18:06
neighborleernb is right. TOPIC says: 'communication about anything , blah>blah ' ,,so get over it Jan 14 18:06
Diablo-D3b) I dont see any of you writing to your Governors asking them to recall your CongressmenJan 14 18:06
schestowitzHis sidekick, Biden, is a shark just like CHeneyJan 14 18:06
rnb_Diablo-D3: some of us are trying to talk about what's going onJan 14 18:06
neighborleeif you can't take the heat,,get out of kitchen I guess ?Jan 14 18:06
schestowitzHe also supported those wars of Bush BTWJan 14 18:06
Diablo-D3c) Politics _still_ isnt pro-Foss!Jan 14 18:06
Diablo-D3rnb_: I dont play wow, fagJan 14 18:06
schestowitzAnd he's a shill for the industry that ran their campaign, including banksJan 14 18:06
neighborleeDiablo-D3: what lovely ignorant rhetoric.Jan 14 18:06
rnb_Diablo-D3: haha, but i nailed it on the doritos?Jan 14 18:06
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schestowitzDiablo-D3: it's not about FOSSJan 14 18:07
schestowitzIt's about Free(dom) softwareJan 14 18:07
neighborleeDiablo-D3: your sounding like our mono suppoorting buddies now..Jan 14 18:07
Diablo-D3rnb_: nope, I seem to be out.Jan 14 18:07
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Diablo-D3I must rectify this.Jan 14 18:07
schestowitzHeheJan 14 18:07
schestowitzRectify selfJan 14 18:07
neighborleeLOLJan 14 18:07
neighborleeamenJan 14 18:07
*schestowitz passes Playboy to Diablo-D3Jan 14 18:07
neighborleeROFLJan 14 18:07
rnb_anyways, this is another reason i'm sick of the US (assuming Diablo-D3 is from the US)Jan 14 18:07
*Diablo-D3 rectifies Roy with an orbital ford taurus strikeJan 14 18:07
Diablo-D3rnb_: you cant be sick of the USJan 14 18:08
Diablo-D3well, you have to get in line behind meJan 14 18:08
rnb_you can never talk about things going onJan 14 18:08
rnb_because its "politics" and it's taboo to "talk politics"Jan 14 18:08
Diablo-D3but its a tad fucking much that almost every channel Im inJan 14 18:08
Diablo-D3its US politicsJan 14 18:08
schestowitzIt mattersJan 14 18:08
Diablo-D3it doesnt matter!Jan 14 18:08
schestowitzIt impacts the jobs market for exampleJan 14 18:08
Diablo-D3I dont see any of you running for office!Jan 14 18:08
schestowitzDeregulation and fraudJan 14 18:09
schestowitzAnd TBH, it's mostly the US banking systemJan 14 18:09
neighborleeI write my senators on a regular basisJan 14 18:09
schestowitzNot only, but mostlyJan 14 18:09
neighborleeso yeah, I am runnig for office in a manner of speakingJan 14 18:09
Diablo-D3neighborlee: _become_ a senator!Jan 14 18:09
schestowitzDeutsche Bank tooJan 14 18:09
schestowitzAnd UK banksJan 14 18:09
Diablo-D3why let a douchebag represent you on the federal scale!Jan 14 18:09
neighborleewe all are, when we 'engage' in 'politics' ;)Jan 14 18:09
Diablo-D3represent yourself directly!Jan 14 18:09
rnb_Diablo-D3: it mattered to me when my lifelong friend got blown up by a US bombJan 14 18:09
schestowitzThey were inspired by the West's modelJan 14 18:09
Diablo-D3rnb_: dont like it? sue bush!Jan 14 18:09
Diablo-D3I wish someone would!Jan 14 18:09
schestowitzThey triedJan 14 18:10
neighborleernb_: sorry to hear that Jan 14 18:10
rnb_Diablo-D3: it mattered to me when a colleague was shot in the head by a PRIista thugJan 14 18:10
schestowitzBush would laugh...Jan 14 18:10
*schestowitz looks for video of Bush laughing senselesslyJan 14 18:10
rnb_Diablo-D3: and on and on and onJan 14 18:10
Diablo-D3Bush is a terrorist by his own definitionJan 14 18:10
neighborleernb_: where did it happen and under what circumstancesJan 14 18:10
Diablo-D3Dont like it? Run for office!Jan 14 18:10
schestowitzHehe.Jan 14 18:10
schestowitzWho will pay?Jan 14 18:10
Diablo-D3And when I get old enough to run, I will be.Jan 14 18:10
schestowitzAnd who will shut up the critics?Jan 14 18:11
rnb_neighborlee: my lifelong friend got blown up in bethlehemJan 14 18:11
schestowitzIt's all just multi0-billion-dolllar PR teamJan 14 18:11
rnb_neighborlee: a colleague of mine got shot in the head in oaxaca, mexicoJan 14 18:11
schestowitzThe election for office at a national level is a contest between PR teams with groomed peopleJan 14 18:11
rnb_neighborlee: but i can go on for a while.. i worked on some projects for a long time in the middle east and half of my family is from latin americaJan 14 18:12
neighborleeschestowitz: yeah im a tad unimpressed with obama atm,,he DID support health care reform public option and denied it lately...not real smartJan 14 18:12
rnb_neighborlee: where they lived under a US-supportd military dictatorship until 1985Jan 14 18:13
neighborleeschestowitz: I wanna see how he cleans up that oneJan 14 18:13
neighborleemia culpa :)Jan 14 18:13
rnb_but again, this is why being in the US is so annoyingJan 14 18:13
neighborleernb_: yeah sadly mideast is a  rough topic ;(Jan 14 18:14
neighborleeon many many frontsJan 14 18:14
rnb_not only are people in the US complicit in what's going on but they never want to talk about it and they certainly dont want to ever do anything about itJan 14 18:14
Diablo-D3as a side noteJan 14 18:15
Diablo-D3if all of you now want to bitch about the chinese governmentJan 14 18:15
Diablo-D3this is 100% acceptable politics discussionJan 14 18:15
neighborleernb_: not everyone is complicit btw ;)Jan 14 18:15
neighborleernb_: your broad brush is just as complicit as the actions of the usa in certain mideast areas ;)Jan 14 18:16
schestowitz[18:12] <neighborlee> schestowitz: yeah im a tad unimpressed with obama atm,,he DID support health care reform public option and denied it lately...not real smartJan 14 18:16
schestowitzThe insurance companies funded himJan 14 18:16
neighborleeyes  roy ?Jan 14 18:16
schestowitz$20 millionJan 14 18:16
neighborleeyes I knowJan 14 18:16
schestowitzI found out yesterdayJan 14 18:17
neighborleeyeahJan 14 18:17
Diablo-D3btw, I wish people would understand how this worksJan 14 18:17
Diablo-D3_Congress_ is the ones who make these bills upoJan 14 18:17
Diablo-D3Dont like the health care bill? Tell Congress to go fuck itselfJan 14 18:17
rnb_neighborlee: people who do something about it are few and far betweenJan 14 18:17
Diablo-D3Dont blame Obama, he didnt write itJan 14 18:17
neighborleeI have been telling congress :)Jan 14 18:17
rnb_neighborlee: in the US, at leastJan 14 18:17
neighborleeas if its going to helpJan 14 18:17
neighborleeunless millions more join me ;)Jan 14 18:17
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Chinese Government itself hacked #Google http://ur1.ca/jtrbJan 14 18:18
rnb_in the 60s & 70s, at least there were a ton of people who devoted their life to these issuesJan 14 18:18
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Diablo-D3neighborlee: then run for officeJan 14 18:18
Diablo-D3and tell your governor to recall them Jan 14 18:18
Diablo-D3its time for a special electionJan 14 18:18
rnb_Diablo-D3: republican democracy in the US is a fraud.. that's not going to helpJan 14 18:19
neighborleernb_: the jewish lobby is also huge remember,,its not a simple problem im afraid...the feel threateend and they're putting money with their mouth is to get what they want atm...both sides are guilty of something that much is very clear :(,,,now we have to worry about iran as if that was surprisingJan 14 18:19
Diablo-D3rnb_: if everybody stopped voting for the criminals, they'd have no controlJan 14 18:19
neighborleeits good idea in theory  definitelyJan 14 18:20
Diablo-D3Its what our founding fathers demand of us.Jan 14 18:20
schestowitzhttp://blog.nixternal.com/2010.01.14/ubuntu-chicago-files-chapter-13/Jan 14 18:20
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rnb_Diablo-D3: except that ballot fraud is so rampant, it doesnt really matter who votes for whoJan 14 18:20
neighborleemy friend always goes ON and ON about such things, but as much as I tell him to GET involved and tell someone who gives a damn not just yell at me about it,,he never does all he wants to do is play games on his PC ;)Jan 14 18:20
Diablo-D3rnb_: except when you have no one voting for the bad guy, and the bad guy wins, he gets lynchedJan 14 18:20
rnb_Diablo-D3: now YOU'RE talking about "politics"Jan 14 18:21
neighborlee:)Jan 14 18:21
Diablo-D3No, I'm basically telling you to stfu in a complex way.Jan 14 18:21
neighborleeroy is the one you should tell to STUFU not rnb_,,its roys topic you dont like atm , not rhbs right to execize it ;)Jan 14 18:21
rnb_Diablo-D3: i know it's complex for youJan 14 18:21
Diablo-D3neighborlee: roy never listens anyhowJan 14 18:22
rnb_Diablo-D3: but, it's notJan 14 18:22
rnb_anyway, i gotta go.. ateh breve, todosJan 14 18:25
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Kroes said Commission made a deal with Microsoft about patent last week, I need to clip that part of the video #swpat http://i5.be/aiUJan 14 18:38
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Kroes was quite clueless about software patentsand UPLS, she was favouring interoperability exeption: http://i5.be/aiUJan 14 18:39
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Kroes was quite clueless about software patents and UPLS, she was favouring interoperability exeption: http://i5.be/aiUJan 14 19:02
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Plenty of stuff about ACTA in the video recordings of Kroes: http://i5.be/aiUJan 14 19:04
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Plenty of questions about net neutrality in the video recordings of Kroes: http://i5.be/aiUJan 14 19:05
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] YouTube Revamp Imminent? HTML5 & free formats top the list so there's a hope yet http://tinyurl.com/yg9onveJan 14 20:02
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Kodak becoming a patent troll, suing RIM and Apple over photo thumbnails, was suing Sun for Java before for 1 Billion: http://i5.be/ai0Jan 14 20:11
phIRCe-localTitle: Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | Kodak Sues Apple & RIM Over Preview In Cameras .::. Size~: 51.8 KBJan 14 20:11
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] whats with the 3.5min pointless intro to HPR roundtable 8? Almost first min was just background musicJan 14 20:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] ahh, discussing the movie is the discussion....maybe I shoulda listened more before denting lolJan 14 20:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Enabled Google latitude so wifey knows when I'm due home. "Can't have an affair now can you!?". "I can turn my phone off" #fbJan 14 20:23
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Apple: Just release the tablet already! I'm tired of hearing about it! http://ur1.ca/ju3iJan 14 20:38
phIRCe-localTitle: Apple Indirectly Confirms Tablet Existence with Cease and Desist Letter to Gawker - apple tablet - Gizmodo .::. Size~: 58.57 KBJan 14 20:38
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Here's hoping for a Kingston win at the Rumble.....he's shares his birthday with me....(month/day) not year! #wweJan 14 20:53
schestowitz_goblin: wwe?Jan 14 21:03
_goblinWorld Wrestling EntertainmentJan 14 21:04
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MSP Gives #GNU #Linux Belated Attention http://www.mspmentor.net/2010/01/13/gfi-max-to-msps-its-time-to-manage-linux-devices/Jan 14 21:13
phIRCe-localTitle: GFI Max Jumps On Linux Management Bandwagon | MSPmentor .::. Size~: 50.87 KBJan 14 21:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Job Board Created by #LinuxFoundation , New Linux Events Roundup http://ur1.ca/ju5x http://ur1.ca/ju5yJan 14 21:14
phIRCe-localTitle:  Linux.com Launches Job Board for Members  .::. Size~: 30 KBJan 14 21:14
phIRCe-localTitle: Keynotes picked for SCALE 8x; OSSIE, WIOS call for papers closes Jan. 15 | SCALE 8x - 2010 Southern California Linux Expo .::. Size~: 10.31 KBJan 14 21:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Guide for Selection of #Desktop #GNU #Linux Distribution http://ur1.ca/ju61Jan 14 21:15
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Chips_B_Malroyits very quite here todayJan 14 21:20
Chips_B_MalroyI was looking at Ebay the other day, here in the USAJan 14 21:21
Chips_B_Malroyfor the ARM smartbooksJan 14 21:21
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Harmony of #GNU #Linux and #Television http://ur1.ca/ju66 http://ur1.ca/ju67Jan 14 21:22
phIRCe-localTitle: Azerblog: Watching TV and Linux .::. Size~: 75.24 KBJan 14 21:22
phIRCe-localTitle:  Save the Drama for Primetime: Restart MythTV the Easy Way  .::. Size~: 33.36 KBJan 14 21:22
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Oracle Could Take a Lesson in Patching from #Linux http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/locutus/oracle-should-learn-a-lesson-from-linux-36371Jan 14 21:23
phIRCe-localTitle: Oracle should learn a lesson from Linux .::. Size~: 64.46 KBJan 14 21:23
Chips_B_Malroyanyway, Ebay called them Ultra Mobile PC (UMPC)Jan 14 21:23
Chips_B_Malroynot smartbooksJan 14 21:23
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://computers.shop.ebay.com/PC-Laptops-Netbooks-/177/i.html?Type=Ultra%2520Mobile%2520PC%2520%2528UMPC%2529&_catref=1&_dmpt=Laptops_Nov05&_fln=1&_ssov=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m282Jan 14 21:23
phIRCe-localTitle: eBay – Computers Networking, Apple Macintosh Computers and Desktop PC Components items on eBay.com. Find IT on eBay. .::. Size~: 116.34 KBJan 14 21:23
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Enables Simple Hosting, Makes it Affordable (Democratisation) http://ur1.ca/ju6iJan 14 21:24
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Chips_B_MalroyAnyway, I hate to be a naysayer, and maybe (I hope) its only in the US, that M$ is putting WindowsCE on all these devicesJan 14 21:24
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Theodore Ts'o Moves Away from Big Blue to Help Big G http://ur1.ca/ju6j http://ur1.ca/ju6kJan 14 21:25
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenGL 3 Comes to #Mesa in #Linux #Graphics Stack http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzg3OQJan 14 21:25
phIRCe-localTitle: Ted T'so moves to Google - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 30.32 KBJan 14 21:25
phIRCe-localTitle: [Phoronix] Mesa 7.8 In March; Mesa 8.0 To Have OpenGL 3 .::. Size~: 16.82 KBJan 14 21:25
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Decent Applications for #Video Editing Do Exist in #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/ju6uJan 14 21:26
phIRCe-localTitle: Video News  » Blog Archive   » Age Old Question: Is There Any Good Video Editing Software for Linux? .::. Size~: 57.46 KBJan 14 21:26
Chips_B_Malroylooking through Ebay, I found these smartbooks, as well as a mips, via chipsets, with windowsCE on them, from versions 3.0, 5.0, and 6.0Jan 14 21:26
Chips_B_Malroynow this was a couple of nights ago I did this searchJan 14 21:26
Chips_B_MalroyI know its early yet, for ARM, but what is on Ebay, at least for me, is mostly still junk, and even worse if it comes with WindowsCEJan 14 21:28
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows_CEJan 14 21:28
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Chips_B_MalroyMy point is, that WindowsCE and WinMo, (winmo7) might be developing not so much for phones, but for ARM, Mips SmartbooksJan 14 21:30
MinceRit's being developed? :>Jan 14 21:31
Chips_B_MalroyAlso, its possible that MS is using  CE on Smartbooks the same way that strongarmed US  OEM venders to put XP home on Netbooks.Jan 14 21:31
Chips_B_MalroyWhile MS might not make much, or even lose money doing this, it still protects the monopoly in the USA, which is a base of money to them.  Being a richer country, (at least for now) that is in their clutches.Jan 14 21:33
tessierAnyone remember that super creepy pic of Steve Ballmer looking up at the camera? I think it was a shot for some magazine. He looked just like Uncle Fester.Jan 14 21:34
tessierI can't find that one anywhere now.Jan 14 21:34
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tessierhttp://farm3.static.flickr.com/2320/1623168343_60f1be1163.jpg He is giddy in anticipation of getting more of your money...Jan 14 21:36
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_goblintessier: Was it one of these I featured in my article? http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/07/05/a-facebook-of-ballmer-kiss-audition/Jan 14 21:36
phIRCe-localTitle: A facebook of Ballmer? & KISS audition «  OPEN BYTES  cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 34.53 KBJan 14 21:36
tessierNo, that's not it...Jan 14 21:37
_goblinyou've got me interested....I need some more pics for Ballmers facebook.Jan 14 21:38
_goblinmy favorite at the moment is KISS impression BallmerJan 14 21:38
Chips_B_Malroyseen a picture of him at CES, Ballmer looked really old, tired, and boredJan 14 21:39
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of the #Linux -powered Plug Computer (Ionics 3.0) http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/index.cfm?reviewid=3210140Jan 14 21:41
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux on #Routers , #Settop Boxes http://ur1.ca/ju7r http://ur1.ca/ju7sJan 14 21:41
phIRCe-localTitle: Ionics Plug Computer 3.0 review - PC Advisor .::. Size~: 65.87 KBJan 14 21:41
phIRCe-localTitle: MIPS-based Android set-tops debut - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 68.08 KBJan 14 21:41
Chips_B_Malroyany comment on the only reason for M$ to continue with WinMo7 is not for phones, but for Smartbooks, as a way to keep linux and Chrome off them?Jan 14 21:41
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux (Android) Comes to Education, #TMobile to Sell Linux Tablets http://ur1.ca/ju7u http://ur1.ca/ju7vJan 14 21:42
phIRCe-localTitle: enTourage eDGes Android-Powered Education | AndroidGuys .::. Size~: 27.49 KBJan 14 21:42
phIRCe-localTitle: T-Mobile prescribes hub tablet for UK families • Register Hardware .::. Size~: 25.48 KBJan 14 21:42
Chips_B_MalroyEven Ballmer must know that WinMo is never going win back the smartphonesJan 14 21:42
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Drives Home Phones from #Motorola , Shows Gains (Under "Android") http://ur1.ca/ju82 http://ur1.ca/ju83Jan 14 21:43
Chips_B_Malroyplus there is no money there for themJan 14 21:43
phIRCe-localTitle: CES 2010: Motorola HS1001 Home Phone  | AndroidGuys .::. Size~: 27.59 KBJan 14 21:43
phIRCe-localTitle: The Android Army is Rising | AndroidGuys .::. Size~: 44.68 KBJan 14 21:43
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linus Speaks About Lockin http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2010/01/embroidery-gaah.htmlJan 14 21:44
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Chips_B_MalroyThe other thing I noticed, about these junk smartbooks on ebay is the lack of resources they haveJan 14 21:44
Chips_B_Malroysome with only 32mb of ramJan 14 21:45
Chips_B_Malroyrunning windowsCe 3.0Jan 14 21:45
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Works in the Kitchen http://ostatic.com/blog/gourmet-recipe-tracker-the-kitchen-is-now-openJan 14 21:46
phIRCe-localTitle:  Gourmet Recipe Tracker: The Kitchen is Now Open  .::. Size~: 39.23 KBJan 14 21:46
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Coalitions in #Europe Promote "Free Software" http://www.april.org/en/ep-intergroup-in-europe-left-and-right-free-softwareJan 14 21:47
phIRCe-localTitle: EP Intergroup: In Europe Left and Right for Free Software! | April .::. Size~: 18.46 KBJan 14 21:47
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google I/O 2010 Announced, #SaaS Promoted by Free Mail Software http://ur1.ca/ju86 http://ur1.ca/ju87Jan 14 21:48
phIRCe-localTitle: Registration opens for Google I/O 2010 - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 31.45 KBJan 14 21:48
phIRCe-localTitle:  Where SaaS Fits in the Race for Control of the Vertical Integration Market   .::. Size~: 30.02 KBJan 14 21:48
_goblinAnyone here heard of Club Bing before?  It was new on me.....talk about hard sell....and guess what "prizes to be won" "gifts to be had".....Jan 14 21:48
Chips_B_MalroyOk, people, carry on, need to go and print a rebate coupon, ughJan 14 21:48
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_goblinQuote "Every game is powered by Bing, so here you play, Search and win!"  - I wonder if this tot adds to the stats Bing is pimping as its market share.Jan 14 21:49
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Damn, Seanbaby can make sport writing good. http://is.gd/6hbJrJan 14 22:04
phIRCe-localTitle: Worst Life Ever: The Story of Kazuyuki Fujita's Skull | Cracked.com .::. Size~: 78.29 KBJan 14 22:04
trmancoomgJan 14 22:13
trmancofacebook's web results are powered by bing0Jan 14 22:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FogComputing Done with #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/ju8s http://ur1.ca/ju8t http://ur1.ca/ju8uJan 14 22:16
phIRCe-localTitle: Twitter for Teams: Teambox Launches Web-Based Collaboration Tool .::. Size~: 51.92 KBJan 14 22:16
phIRCe-localTitle: Sun marries Hadoop to Grid Engine • The Register .::. Size~: 33.51 KBJan 14 22:16
phIRCe-localTitle:   Interview with Rich Wolski  Eucalyptus CTO .::. Size~: 83.81 KBJan 14 22:16
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla Speaks About Plans to Make #Firefox Very Fast http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/14/beltzner_on_firefox_3_dot_6/Jan 14 22:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Richard Stallman Bends Licensing to Support Business http://ur1.ca/ju90 http://ur1.ca/ju91Jan 14 22:17
phIRCe-localTitle: Firefox 3.6: I am more than my Monkey • The Register .::. Size~: 30.4 KBJan 14 22:17
phIRCe-localTitle: Is Richard Stallman Mellowing? - Community - ComputerworldUK .::. Size~: 72.87 KBJan 14 22:17
phIRCe-localTitle: On Selling Exceptions «  The Source.com .::. Size~: 36.02 KBJan 14 22:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Openness Helps -- Not Disrupts -- #Science http://ur1.ca/ju95Jan 14 22:18
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Call for #Google to Support Ogg, Standards and #HTML5 http://ur1.ca/ju99 #noflashJan 14 22:18
phIRCe-localTitle: Why Hasnt Scientific Publishing Been Disrupted Already? « The Scholarly Kitchen .::. Size~: 138.4 KBJan 14 22:18
phIRCe-localTitle: High Time for HTML5 from YouTube: Please Vote - Community - ComputerworldUK .::. Size~: 70.83 KBJan 14 22:18
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenAccess Promotion Advances in the Different Fields http://ur1.ca/ju9c http://ur1.ca/ju9dJan 14 22:19
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Censorship Resisted in the UK, But Only for Foreigners http://ur1.ca/ju9h http://ur1.ca/ju9iJan 14 22:19
phIRCe-localTitle: Innovative new web interface improves access to UK’s largest free online life sciences resource .::. Size~: 16.33 KBJan 14 22:19
phIRCe-localTitle: Opinions on Open &rsaquo; Can Creative Commons effect social change in education? .::. Size~: 28.63 KBJan 14 22:19
phIRCe-localTitle: MPs call on IT companies to follow Google and stop Chinese censorship - 14/01/2010 - Computer Weekly .::. Size~: 99.25 KBJan 14 22:19
phIRCe-localTitle: Ignore Islam4UK, don’t ban them | openDemocracy .::. Size~: 62.76 KBJan 14 22:19
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MAFIAA Comes Under #Antitrust Investigation http://ur1.ca/ju9o http://ur1.ca/ju9pJan 14 22:20
phIRCe-localTitle: Record labels face US antitrust hearing    - Telegraph .::. Size~: 54.7 KBJan 14 22:20
phIRCe-localTitle: U.S. court revives antitrust suit on music downloads| Reuters .::. Size~: 51.35 KBJan 14 22:20
schestowitztrmanco: they pay for it (Miceosoft)Jan 14 22:24
schestowitzThey burn money and still lose market shareJan 14 22:24
schestowitzTo my surprise...Jan 14 22:25
trmancowhy would anyone want to do a web search on facebook?Jan 14 22:25
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA Developments: #Copyright Applies to Luggage, Protests Ensue http://ur1.ca/jua8 http://ur1.ca/jua9Jan 14 22:28
phIRCe-localTitle: open...: Personal Luggage *Will* be Subject to ACTA .::. Size~: 93.3 KBJan 14 22:28
phIRCe-localTitle: p2pnet news  » Blog Archive   » Union des Consommateurs ACTA protest .::. Size~: 43.2 KBJan 14 22:28
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux is Replacing Microsoft from the Boot Sequence http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10620009Jan 14 22:30
phIRCe-localTitle: Microsoft needs swift kick in the boot-up - Technology - NZ Herald News .::. Size~: 59.21 KBJan 14 22:30
oiaohmschestowitz:  http://www.dedoimedo.com/games/wine-directx.html  Don't publish items like this again.  There is a winetricks system for install Direct X.  Due to wine not having windows internals what that guy did breaks equal numbers of games as it helps.Jan 14 22:31
phIRCe-localTitle:       How to install DirectX in Linux using Wine     .::. Size~: 18.35 KBJan 14 22:31
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Haven't looked at Wave for a while...WOW. Its much more responsive than last time! Hopefully the improvement will continue! #googlewaveJan 14 22:32
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trmancooiaohm: is absolutely correctJan 14 23:05
sebsebsebschestowitz and the others, so got to share thisJan 14 23:11
sebsebsebhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3ID2CbtnKk&feature=fvwJan 14 23:12
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube- Windows 7 or KDE 4? .::. Size~: 156.39 KBJan 14 23:12
sebsebsebhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3ID2CbtnKk&feature=fvwJan 14 23:12
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube- Windows 7 or KDE 4? .::. Size~: 156.29 KBJan 14 23:12
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] “Windows is Secure” http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/14/windows-1984/Jan 14 23:34
phIRCe-localTitle: “Windows is Secure” | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 86.94 KBJan 14 23:34
neighborleeUnless this guys hardware is wonkie, it doesn't look great for ubuntu  koala: '  couldn’t be booted into the desktop due to video corruption, either in normal or safe graphics mode <7300GT>. The same happened to a system fitted with an ATI Radeon 9600 card. 'Jan 14 23:35
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Dear lazyweb. Are there any linux filesystems which support online shrink?Jan 14 23:36
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Anti- #GNU #Linux #Microsoft SVP Quits the Company http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/14/bill-veghte-jumps-ship/Jan 14 23:36
phIRCe-localTitle: Another Anti-GNU/Linux Microsoft SVP Quits the Company | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 94.91 KBJan 14 23:36
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trmancohttp://www.developer.com/java/other/article.php/3858751/Sun-Updates-Java-SE-6-for-Performance.htmJan 14 23:50
trmancowhy didn't the bot pick this up? :/Jan 14 23:52
trmancohttp://www.developer.com/java/other/article.php/3858751/Sun-Updates-Java-SE-6-for-Performance.htmJan 14 23:56
trmancothis is what we call a blockJan 14 23:56
trmancoI might turn on the curl verbosity to 1Jan 14 23:56

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