schestowitz | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/01/13/1657249/Googlecn-Attack-Part-of-a-Broad-Spying-Effort?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29 | Jan 14 00:00 |
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schestowitz | "Google, by implying that Beijing had sponsored the attack, has placed itself in the center of an international controversy, exposing what appears to be a state-sponsored corporate espionage campaign that compromised more than 30 technology, financial and media companies, most of them global Fortune 500 enterprises." | Jan 14 00:00 |
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schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/01/13/baidus-stock-soars-following-google-china-news | Jan 14 00:00 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Baidu's Stock Soars Following Google China News | WebProNews .::. Size~: 30.49 KB | Jan 14 00:00 |
schestowitz | Why is Clinton sticking her nose? http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/01/13/some-interesting-points-about-the-google-china-situation | Jan 14 00:01 |
FurnaceBoy | and despite what DaemonFC said, GOOG did take a noticeable hit. | Jan 14 00:01 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Some Interesting Points About the Google China Situation | WebProNews .::. Size~: 39.49 KB | Jan 14 00:01 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: right. i don't get that either. | Jan 14 00:01 |
schestowitz | She's always with the anti-China, since years ago | Jan 14 00:01 |
schestowitz | That's why some people rejected her as Dem front runner | Jan 14 00:01 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: they got good news from Neilsen that day | Jan 14 00:02 |
FurnaceBoy | i'd have expected the WH to stand well clear of this mess :) | Jan 14 00:02 |
schestowitz | Neilson | Jan 14 00:02 |
schestowitz | Nielsen | Jan 14 00:02 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: what caused GOOG to take a hit then? | Jan 14 00:02 |
schestowitz | I was almost right the first time | Jan 14 00:03 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: china news | Jan 14 00:03 |
schestowitz | Big market | Jan 14 00:03 |
FurnaceBoy | yes, that's what I said | Jan 14 00:03 |
schestowitz | biggest internet population | Jan 14 00:03 |
schestowitz | But also: | Jan 14 00:03 |
schestowitz | Confidence in gamil | Jan 14 00:03 |
schestowitz | *gmail is not seen as fallible\ | Jan 14 00:03 |
FurnaceBoy | infallible? | Jan 14 00:04 |
FurnaceBoy | are you saying confidence went up or down (in tandem w/ stock) | Jan 14 00:04 |
FurnaceBoy | the major outages were a few months ago now | Jan 14 00:04 |
FurnaceBoy | what happened new? | Jan 14 00:04 |
schestowitz | Both down | Jan 14 00:05 |
schestowitz | market and reputation | Jan 14 00:05 |
FurnaceBoy | right | Jan 14 00:05 |
schestowitz | Though the Yanks must love it | Jan 14 00:05 |
FurnaceBoy | i think you meant infallible then? | Jan 14 00:05 |
schestowitz | GOOG standing up the THe Man | Jan 14 00:05 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: apparently they do. but it's pretty short-sighted. | Jan 14 00:05 |
schestowitz | Playing the whole Patriotic card | Jan 14 00:05 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: how on earth do they think this can be more than an empty gesture? | Jan 14 00:05 |
schestowitz | Look how they phrased the blog post | Jan 14 00:05 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: (apart from being duplicitous anyway) | Jan 14 00:05 |
schestowitz | It's like PR | Jan 14 00:05 |
FurnaceBoy | yes. | Jan 14 00:05 |
FurnaceBoy | I called it a press release -- that is what it is. | Jan 14 00:05 |
FurnaceBoy | PAPER TIGER. | Jan 14 00:05 |
schestowitz | "China is not attacking Google..... it's attacking the US" | Jan 14 00:05 |
schestowitz | "G.I. Google to ze rescue! | Jan 14 00:06 |
FurnaceBoy | yes. | Jan 14 00:06 |
FurnaceBoy | ridiculous puffed-chest antics | Jan 14 00:06 |
schestowitz | They also tied it to China's government | Jan 14 00:06 |
schestowitz | No proof | Jan 14 00:06 |
schestowitz | None that they show | Jan 14 00:06 |
oiaohm | Now if google had not operated in china the people of china would not know what the google search engine offered. | Jan 14 00:07 |
oiaohm | Google has played the game well. | Jan 14 00:08 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: looks like a losing hand to me | Jan 14 00:08 |
oiaohm | Every part game at some point you have to take risks to win. FurnaceBoy | Jan 14 00:09 |
oiaohm | Google took a lot of risk excepting china filtering as well. They could have got hit hard in the USA. | Jan 14 00:11 |
schestowitz | Or.............. | Jan 14 00:11 |
schestowitz | Maybe Google plays for China | Jan 14 00:11 |
schestowitz | A stunt | Jan 14 00:11 |
schestowitz | To get suppressed people on their side | Jan 14 00:11 |
schestowitz | And then enter the market | Jan 14 00:11 |
schestowitz | Like a friend of Chian versus Baidu | Jan 14 00:11 |
schestowitz | Baidu has big market share | Jan 14 00:11 |
schestowitz | Google does worst in China, AFIAK | Jan 14 00:11 |
schestowitz | Baidu is seen as "us" | Jan 14 00:11 |
schestowitz | Google is seen as "US" | Jan 14 00:11 |
oiaohm | Yep played game well. | Jan 14 00:11 |
schestowitz | Now they make Baidu seem like "Totality" | Jan 14 00:12 |
schestowitz | And Google as rebel | Jan 14 00:12 |
oiaohm | Yep winning hand. | Jan 14 00:12 |
schestowitz | They even uncensor now | Jan 14 00:12 |
schestowitz | They show people Tienanmen incidents | Jan 14 00:12 |
schestowitz | Lots of publicity about it, I read.. with the govt suppressing the news | Jan 14 00:13 |
schestowitz | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Yukyung-extends-Viliv-brand-at-CES/?kc=rss | Jan 14 00:13 |
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oiaohm | Yet it would not been possiable without first agreeing to censor to get a foot hold. | Jan 14 00:13 |
schestowitz | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/CongatecBM57/?kc=rss what for? | Jan 14 00:15 |
oiaohm | Google has not got it market without knowing how to play the game well. | Jan 14 00:16 |
phIRCe-local | Title: COM Express module has embedded Core i7 on board - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 59.54 KB | Jan 14 00:16 |
oiaohm | Yes there is no reason to cheat to win market. | Jan 14 00:16 |
oiaohm | Just to the right changes in policy at the right time. | Jan 14 00:16 |
schestowitz | http://www.imfederation.com/networks.html | Jan 14 00:17 |
phIRCe-local | Title: IM Federation - Networks .::. Size~: 13.45 KB | Jan 14 00:17 |
schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8827 | Jan 14 00:19 |
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schestowitz | zoobab: http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/article/20091223/OPINION/912230306/Let-IBM-protect-its-intellectual-property | Jan 14 00:25 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Let IBM protect its intellectual property | poughkeepsiejournal.com | Poughkeepsie Journal .::. Size~: 54.55 KB | Jan 14 00:25 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: right, i favour that kind of explanation | Jan 14 00:26 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: essentially corporates are cynical, so it fits | Jan 14 00:26 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: http://paidcontent.org/article/419-...-and-google-was-just-gaining-some-ground-in-china/ | Jan 14 00:28 |
schestowitz | "Some cynicism today that Google’s threat to leave China isn’t so altruistic. The basic argument: Google (NSDQ: GOOG) was facing an uphill battle against Baidu (NSDQ: BIDU) and is cutting its losses. And while it’s true—as we pointed out yesterday—that Google’s revenue in China is currently minimal, the company’s business was on the way up in that country, as measured by market share. " | Jan 14 00:28 |
phIRCe-local | Title: ... And Google Was Just Gaining Some Ground In China| paidContent .::. Size~: 27.61 KB | Jan 14 00:28 |
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oiaohm | Better to play cards now than wait until the revenue is high and the share holders could revolt in a risky way. | Jan 14 00:30 |
oiaohm | Google actions are perfectly timed schestowitz | Jan 14 00:30 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: win means 'win for business' or 'defeat censorship'? google pretends to care about the latter but we all know it is about the former. | Jan 14 00:31 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: hence: duplicitous | Jan 14 00:31 |
oiaohm | Its really both FurnaceBoy | Jan 14 00:31 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: ha! | Jan 14 00:31 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: benevolent corporations now? | Jan 14 00:31 |
oiaohm | You are aware running censorship costs processor time. FurnaceBoy | Jan 14 00:32 |
FurnaceBoy | LOL!!! | Jan 14 00:32 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/12/android_nexus_one/ | Jan 14 00:32 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Google releases Nexus One SDK • The Register .::. Size~: 27.21 KB | Jan 14 00:32 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: that's the wackiest anti-censorship argument I've ever heard. | Jan 14 00:32 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: yes, benevolent......... | Jan 14 00:32 |
oiaohm | But it is a valid one FurnaceBoy | Jan 14 00:32 |
schestowitz | ...to shareholders | Jan 14 00:32 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: ORLY! | Jan 14 00:32 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] The only time I get to really write is on Sundays. Im reading a book at the moment on Advanced C/L Scripting - actually v.interesting. | Jan 14 00:33 | |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: so you agree it's about business and business goals then. | Jan 14 00:33 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: (frankly the processor time thing is absurd, but let's leave it) | Jan 14 00:33 |
schestowitz | One of the Yahoo!/Google excuses to censor in 2008 was shareholders | Jan 14 00:33 |
schestowitz | Yahoo! inquired | Jan 14 00:33 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I have no doubt. | Jan 14 00:33 |
schestowitz | Shareholders said censors and profit! | Jan 14 00:33 |
schestowitz | They don't give a f* | Jan 14 00:33 |
oiaohm | censorship without good reasons is not good for business. | Jan 14 00:33 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: their hands are tied, i have no idea why anyone expects benevolence | Jan 14 00:33 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: good reasons? | Jan 14 00:33 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: how about compulsion | Jan 14 00:33 |
schestowitz | They like in their villa in Connecticut or whatever | Jan 14 00:33 |
schestowitz | Chairman Mau is far from them | Jan 14 00:34 |
oiaohm | Not providing safe searches will end up with a lot of people wanting to kill you FurnaceBoy | Jan 14 00:34 |
schestowitz | [00:33] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: their hands are tied, i have no idea why anyone expects benevolence | Jan 14 00:34 |
schestowitz | Because.. | Jan 14 00:34 |
oiaohm | Ie good reason to censor. | Jan 14 00:34 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: apart from being dead, and all. but expansionism and suppression of dissent is alive and well. just that google really doesn't care about that | Jan 14 00:34 |
schestowitz | Look at their site | Jan 14 00:34 |
schestowitz | "Do no evil" | Jan 14 00:34 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: of course | Jan 14 00:34 |
schestowitz | It must be true cause it says it | Jan 14 00:34 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: that's what I meant by COMPULSION | Jan 14 00:34 |
schestowitz | Like Monsanto has slogan with "Hope" | Jan 14 00:34 |
oiaohm | In China case the censor is only for a small number of people. | Jan 14 00:34 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: oh! of course., | Jan 14 00:34 |
schestowitz | I can't remember the three words they now use | Jan 14 00:35 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: that changes everything ;-) | Jan 14 00:35 |
schestowitz | But it's funny | Jan 14 00:35 |
schestowitz | I'll post some Monsanto videos son | Jan 14 00:35 |
schestowitz | *soon | Jan 14 00:35 |
schestowitz | Monsanto exploits Africa for PR | Jan 14 00:35 |
oiaohm | FurnaceBoy: google redirects traffic aound the world when particlar areas of it network gets overloaded. | Jan 14 00:35 |
schestowitz | I remember watching a video about it | Jan 14 00:35 |
schestowitz | They pretend to "Feed the hungry" | Jan 14 00:35 |
schestowitz | But it's BS | Jan 14 00:35 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yep. been reading about this | Jan 14 00:35 |
schestowitz | They just infect the seed supplies | Jan 14 00:35 |
oiaohm | Censor means that job is harder. There are a lot of costs from the china regs. FurnaceBoy | Jan 14 00:36 |
schestowitz | And then show you skinny African kid and tell you, "move off, we're trying to feed them" | Jan 14 00:36 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: right, so you agree it's really all about business. | Jan 14 00:36 |
oiaohm | Its a risk FurnaceBoy | Jan 14 00:36 |
oiaohm | Yes its about business. But it still takes balls to take the risk. | Jan 14 00:37 |
FurnaceBoy | heuh | Jan 14 00:37 |
schestowitz | Low risk | Jan 14 00:37 |
_goblin | schestowitz: Sort of related....I sponsor a child in Uganda......just got another letter from her. | Jan 14 00:37 |
oiaohm | What about other countries that have required filtering for other things. Like india. schestowitz | Jan 14 00:37 |
oiaohm | Its not exactly a low risk. It is more a moderate. | Jan 14 00:38 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: they cannot win against the chinese government. what is more likely is a deal where they can tell their liberal fanbase they don't filter, while the govt arranges local filtering. | Jan 14 00:38 |
schestowitz | "Hello. My name is Jamilia. My father has just died and left me $40,000,000,000. Please mail to help me manage the account." | Jan 14 00:38 |
schestowitz | OK, sorry... I joke | Jan 14 00:38 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: you underestimate their cynicism here. it's a ploy | Jan 14 00:38 |
MinceR | 013344 < schestowitz> Like Monsanto has slogan with "Hope" | Jan 14 00:38 |
schestowitz | But I got some stuff like thi | Jan 14 00:38 |
schestowitz | In Netscape.com | Jan 14 00:38 |
MinceR | they "hope" you don't find out what they're doing against you | Jan 14 00:38 |
FurnaceBoy | MinceR: ,my thoughts exactly!! LOL | Jan 14 00:38 |
schestowitz | Scammers pretending to be good-looking girls from Africa | Jan 14 00:38 |
_goblin | schestowitz: Its with Worldvision..... | Jan 14 00:38 |
oiaohm | If china goverment is running the filtering it no longer a cost to google. FurnaceBoy | Jan 14 00:38 |
FurnaceBoy | _goblin: I do that as well. Nepal. | Jan 14 00:38 |
_goblin | cool! | Jan 14 00:38 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: right, and they don't have to cede the market. | Jan 14 00:38 |
oiaohm | It also becomes a cost to them they have to live with. FurnaceBoy | Jan 14 00:39 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: win-win!!!! | Jan 14 00:39 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: right, so it's cynical manouvring. glad we're getting somewhere | Jan 14 00:39 |
oiaohm | Win for google and still a loss for china. | Jan 14 00:39 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: a loss for chinese people, yes. but who cares? it's profitable | Jan 14 00:39 |
oiaohm | No chinese goverment FurnaceBoy | Jan 14 00:39 |
*FurnaceBoy doesn't expect corporations to be forces for change | Jan 14 00:39 | |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: reminds me of a joke | Jan 14 00:39 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: orly? | Jan 14 00:39 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: how do they move? | Jan 14 00:40 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: lose* | Jan 14 00:40 |
oiaohm | Maintaining filters is a lot of work. | Jan 14 00:40 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: LOLLLL!!! | Jan 14 00:40 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: oh please | Jan 14 00:40 |
_goblin | ahh....my blogroll has been deleted..... | Jan 14 00:40 |
oiaohm | It is FurnaceBoy | Jan 14 00:40 |
schestowitz | "Capitalism is great. Top 0.1% gets east life and the rest in china make $0.01 per day. But who cares [sarcasm] There's a billion of them" | Jan 14 00:40 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you should check that Monbiot/Avatar column | Jan 14 00:41 |
schestowitz | Microsoft 'donates' software | Jan 14 00:41 |
oiaohm | Also it frees google to take action over any attacks against there networks from china as well. FurnaceBoy China does not have the option of threating them if they leave. | Jan 14 00:41 |
*schestowitz donates IP to _goblin | Jan 14 00:41 | |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: it also won't stop attacks if they leave | Jan 14 00:41 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: I found another thing | Jan 14 00:42 |
schestowitz | benevolent | Jan 14 00:42 |
schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/movies/12arts-ADSTOPROTEST_BRF.html | Jan 14 00:42 |
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schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8828 | Jan 14 00:42 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Taxpayers Subsidize Smoking in "Avatar," Other Youth-Rated Movies | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 23.27 KB | Jan 14 00:42 |
schestowitz | "Those who oppose smoking in movies aimed at young people planned to step up their assault on the science-fiction epic “Avatar” on Tuesday with advertisements in Hollywood trade papers that accuse the film of providing the equivalent of $50 million in free tobacco advertising." | Jan 14 00:42 |
schestowitz | "The information about taxpayers subsidizing smoking in big-screen movies comes from a November, 2009 report by the University of California San Francisco titled "Taxpayer Subsidies for US Films with Tobacco Imagery" that examined taxpayer subsidies for youth-rated films (G, PG and PG-13). " | Jan 14 00:42 |
_goblin | lol | Jan 14 00:42 |
*FurnaceBoy giggles | Jan 14 00:42 | |
_goblin | Avatar was a smoker? | Jan 14 00:42 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the subtext of the Monbiot column is "Why the Right hates Avatar" | Jan 14 00:42 |
oiaohm | FurnaceBoy: if they leave China cannot use there staff and baring chips to prevent using world trade and other internal bodies to respond. | Jan 14 00:43 |
FurnaceBoy | bargaining chips* | Jan 14 00:43 |
FurnaceBoy | whose? | Jan 14 00:43 |
schestowitz | u | Jan 14 00:43 |
schestowitz | http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/845736-right-hates-avatar-6.html | Jan 14 00:43 |
FurnaceBoy | google.cn ? | Jan 14 00:43 |
_goblin | Hated that movie....when the Humans started blowing up the planet it came something of a relief. | Jan 14 00:43 |
phIRCe-local | Title: The right hates Avatar (compared, state, work, Bush) - Politics and Other Controversies - Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Conservatives, Liberals, Third Parties, Left-Wing, Right-Wing, Congress, President - Page 6 - City-Data Forum .::. Size~: 110.56 KB | Jan 14 00:43 |
oiaohm | Common china method. You don't to what they want they will harm your staff in there country. FurnaceBoy | Jan 14 00:43 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: yes | Jan 14 00:44 |
oiaohm | Google is freeing it hands to fight back against system breaches. | Jan 14 00:44 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: this is now cross-border, see: Iran + ex-patriate protestors | Jan 14 00:44 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: china would have no trouble reaching ex-patriates | Jan 14 00:44 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: you may be on to something | Jan 14 00:44 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: but the outcome is not going to be a lift of censorship | Jan 14 00:44 |
oiaohm | System breaches are not good for business FurnaceBoy | Jan 14 00:44 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: right, so they cut a deal. | Jan 14 00:45 |
oiaohm | This is all business. | Jan 14 00:45 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: useless results plus retaining the market. | Jan 14 00:45 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: we agree on that. | Jan 14 00:45 |
oiaohm | System breaches threaten Googles complete market. | Jan 14 00:45 |
FurnaceBoy | the breaches won't stop. | Jan 14 00:45 |
FurnaceBoy | that's maybe why google wants to look like a victim now | Jan 14 00:45 |
oiaohm | Remember when these are internal attacks on trade. | Jan 14 00:46 |
FurnaceBoy | i'm not sure which player i trust less | Jan 14 00:46 |
oiaohm | There are internalional laws at play. | Jan 14 00:46 |
oiaohm | Google is blocked from using them while they have a base in china. | Jan 14 00:46 |
oiaohm | This could get very very messy before the end FurnaceBoy | Jan 14 00:47 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: nobody wins, really | Jan 14 00:47 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: i guess awareness is slightly raised | Jan 14 00:47 |
oiaohm | If china forces the battle no one will win. | Jan 14 00:48 |
FurnaceBoy | what else do they ever do :) | Jan 14 00:48 |
oiaohm | Google will remain. | Jan 14 00:48 |
FurnaceBoy | yes. | Jan 14 00:48 |
oiaohm | You are not thinking of the size of can of worms I am talking about. | Jan 14 00:48 |
oiaohm | Google is publishing information on multiable breach locations. | Jan 14 00:49 |
oiaohm | Even out side them. | Jan 14 00:49 |
oiaohm | We have not had a major dispute in the internet in a long time. The last one was the great china firewall. | Jan 14 00:50 |
FurnaceBoy | meanwhile Iran has almost no internet for years :) | Jan 14 00:50 |
schestowitz | Byfield: "I don't presume to read Stallman's mind, but I wonder if the surge of interest over selling GPL exceptions doesn't make him despair a little about getting the FSF message out. All these years of the same tactic, and still people are reacting as though it is something new. " | Jan 14 00:58 |
schestowitz | http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/Selling-GPL-Exceptions-isn-t-Exceptional | Jan 14 00:58 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Selling GPL Exceptions isn't Exceptional - Linux Magazine Online .::. Size~: 31.17 KB | Jan 14 00:58 |
schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/BerliOS-open-source-project-portal-falls-victim-to-attack-903990.html BerliOS open source project portal falls victim to attack | Jan 14 01:03 |
phIRCe-local | Title: BerliOS open source project portal falls victim to attack - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 31.2 KB | Jan 14 01:03 |
schestowitz | Ouch | Jan 14 01:03 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: where do you stand on the "save mysql" campaign? | Jan 14 01:07 |
oiaohm | Read the compain carefully. | Jan 14 01:07 |
oiaohm | Its not about save mysql at all. It about save the right to release mysql closed source for profit. | Jan 14 01:07 |
oiaohm | Remember GPL licence grants anyone the right to fork. So how is mysql in danger. | Jan 14 01:09 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: I have read it carefully | Jan 14 01:10 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: are you jumping to conclusions about my position? :) | Jan 14 01:10 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: I'm only asking about schestowitz's opinion on it | Jan 14 01:10 |
schestowitz | They should give mysql to IBM | Jan 14 01:11 |
oiaohm | Like if that will make any difference. | Jan 14 01:11 |
oiaohm | Its still being got by a pre existing db maker. | Jan 14 01:11 |
oiaohm | http://www.ibm.com/db2 Something people love to forget is IBM's. | Jan 14 01:12 |
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schestowitz | http://davidcancel.com/is-hadoop-performance-optimization-the-next-big-thing/ | Jan 14 01:14 |
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schestowitz | oiaohm: I know | Jan 14 01:14 |
schestowitz | But give the options.... | Jan 14 01:14 |
oiaohm | The big thing the compain to save mysql has not answered is how is mysql at risk. | Jan 14 01:14 |
oiaohm | Its not like this is orcales first db company they have taken over either. | Jan 14 01:15 |
schestowitz | Someone like Red Hat would be ideal, but I don't think they're in that position | Jan 14 01:15 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: true, serial acquirers | Jan 14 01:15 |
oiaohm | Most of the backend engines mysql depends on are already in Orcales hands. | Jan 14 01:15 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: right. they bought bdb and innobase, didn't kill mysql | Jan 14 01:15 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: however there are good engines outside oracle, as well. pbxt primarily. maybe falcon if it takes flight. | Jan 14 01:15 |
oiaohm | If you wantting save it from Orcale the work need be done a long time ago. | Jan 14 01:16 |
FurnaceBoy | +1 | Jan 14 01:16 |
oiaohm | If anything the worry should be over the future of postgresql. | Jan 14 01:16 |
schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/01/robertson-quake-haiti-pact-devil/ | Jan 14 01:16 |
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FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yeah | Jan 14 01:16 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: gets worse when you realise he meant "independence" | Jan 14 01:16 |
oiaohm | Mysql has never been a feature to feature match with Orcales DB. | Jan 14 01:16 |
schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/01/magnitude-70-quake-strikes-catastrophe-major-proportions-haiti/ | Jan 14 01:16 |
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FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: they aren't head to head competitors, which makes it no less an attractive acquisition | Jan 14 01:17 |
schestowitz | It's good to have Pat Robertson explain why it all happend | Jan 14 01:17 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: comforting indeed | Jan 14 01:17 |
schestowitz | his fellow Turd, Falwel, blamed gays for 9/11 | Jan 14 01:17 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: oh wait, i'm not christian -- i must be next! | Jan 14 01:17 |
oiaohm | postgresql in the form of enterprisedb is a head to head with Orcale main db. | Jan 14 01:17 |
oiaohm | Ie lose of postgresql to Orcale would be less competion in the market. | Jan 14 01:18 |
FurnaceBoy | heh | Jan 14 01:18 |
oiaohm | Postgresql and Orcale DB are feature match. So much so that Postgresql can run Orcales SQL scripts. | Jan 14 01:19 |
FurnaceBoy | i don't think that's true, actually. | Jan 14 01:19 |
FurnaceBoy | about feature match | Jan 14 01:19 |
oiaohm | It is true. | Jan 14 01:19 |
FurnaceBoy | not afaik | Jan 14 01:19 |
FurnaceBoy | there's not feature parity | Jan 14 01:19 |
oiaohm | Big thing missing is replication. | Jan 14 01:19 |
oiaohm | Out box. | Jan 14 01:20 |
schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/01/obama-seek-additional-33-billion-wars/ | Jan 14 01:20 |
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schestowitz | Mini money | Jan 14 01:20 |
oiaohm | That has to be added thrid party to postgresql. | Jan 14 01:20 |
schestowitz | Champion of peace, Nobel evemn | Jan 14 01:20 |
MinceR | lol | Jan 14 01:20 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: ...right | Jan 14 01:20 |
schestowitz | Driving the economy | Jan 14 01:20 |
schestowitz | I guess Columbine has spare bombs | Jan 14 01:20 |
schestowitz | Been a while since last Awe | Jan 14 01:21 |
schestowitz | The warehouses run out of space, gotta empty them 'on' some people whose country is worth rebuilding (hello, Haliburton) | Jan 14 01:21 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ILa_4uhJkM&feature=related | Jan 14 01:22 |
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MinceR | preferably those who also happen to have oil | Jan 14 01:24 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] o_0 http://www.oytoys.com/Passover-Plagues-in-Pouch-p/cj-200.htm | Jan 14 01:26 | |
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FurnaceBoy | hm. i bet somebody wants to control haiti rebuilding "in our image" | Jan 14 01:28 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @schuyler: Come warp some public domain maps, and help improve OpenStreetMap's coverage of Haiti for relief http://maps.nypl.org/relief/ | Jan 14 01:30 | |
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schestowitz | "Food. Health. Hope" is the motto of Monsanto | Jan 14 01:49 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Currently playing with Dosbox for Linux....and reliving some old memories! | Jan 14 02:06 | |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] HeHe visit http://startpanic.com/ | Jan 14 02:33 | |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz: Is WedBush connected to Microsoft? | Jan 14 02:52 |
DaemonFC | http://www.gamepro.com/article/news/213571/analyst-predicts-low-wii-netflix-adoption-rate/ | Jan 14 02:52 |
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DaemonFC | "You might have a whole month of downtime over the year of Netflix on XBOX 360 just because you can’t use it while it’s at the refurbishment center." -Me :) | Jan 14 02:59 |
schestowitz | WedBush? | Jan 14 03:04 |
schestowitz | Is that an analyst name? | Jan 14 03:04 |
schestowitz | Anyway, analysts are a dime or a dozen (or $200/hour, says MicrosofT) | Jan 14 03:05 |
schestowitz | You too are an analyst if you put that hat and call yourself that | Jan 14 03:05 |
schestowitz | It's a trash-collection industry, the TV programme will shoot a film on it in a few weeks and I'll be in it | Jan 14 03:06 |
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DaemonFC | the way Ubuntu Lucid is shaping up, I may just go to that full time once it's out | Jan 14 04:40 |
DaemonFC | I hear it's already fairly stable | Jan 14 04:41 |
DaemonFC | I'd probably be using it already except for my ATI video card | Jan 14 04:41 |
DaemonFC | I'm hoping that this month's driver bundle makes it compatible with the latest X server | Jan 14 04:43 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: I have some news... | Jan 14 04:47 |
schestowitz | GImme one minute.. | Jan 14 04:47 |
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schestowitz | DaemonFC: Microsoft-Funded and Microsoft-Derived Blog Tracker/AstroTurf Agency Receives $22 Million to Expand http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/13/microsoft-capital-of-astroturfing/ | Jan 14 04:51 |
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DaemonFC | yes, Visible Technologies is some truly evil malicious bastards, always up to no good | Jan 14 04:56 |
DaemonFC | Chris Pirillo gave them two thumbs up though :) | Jan 14 04:56 |
DaemonFC | finding people that badmouth their customers and slip in infiltrators to try and derail the conversation or coerce the person who started it into taking it down | Jan 14 04:57 |
DaemonFC | they not only try to infiltrate blog posts, they do it with forums too | Jan 14 04:58 |
DaemonFC | My strong objections to Windows Media Center DRMing incoming cable TV got their attention for a moment | Jan 14 04:59 |
DaemonFC | I always tell people now that buying a TV tuner to use with Windows 7 is akin to setting the money on fire because it will never do what you want it to | Jan 14 05:00 |
DaemonFC | I usually laugh at the FSF campaigns for being so horribly misguided, but in this case, I agree that you're better off just hoarding VCRs and any blank VHS tapes you can get | Jan 14 05:01 |
cubezzz | what? :) | Jan 14 05:02 |
cubezzz | yeah don't use windows media centre | Jan 14 05:02 |
DaemonFC | I'm of mixed feelings on Steam | Jan 14 05:03 |
DaemonFC | games bought on Steam are more likely to work with Wine and less likely to pester users with other DRM schemes | Jan 14 05:03 |
cubezzz | well games have gone the DRM route | Jan 14 05:03 |
cubezzz | even lgp did it | Jan 14 05:03 |
DaemonFC | I usually apply a crack after buying my game | Jan 14 05:04 |
cubezzz | it's hard to blame them, esepcially when they feel everyone's copying stuff | Jan 14 05:04 |
DaemonFC | just to make sure the DRM does not get in my way | Jan 14 05:04 |
cubezzz | fortunately the old Loki games didn't use DRM | Jan 14 05:05 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz: What I found funny was RemoveWAT and ChewWGA | Jan 14 05:07 |
DaemonFC | I take it as proof that Microsoft designed Windows to be very easily cracked | Jan 14 05:08 |
DaemonFC | especially because they haven't used Windows Update to stop that crack yet | Jan 14 05:08 |
cubezzz | I don't understand why you would want to hoard VCRs and tapes | Jan 14 05:11 |
DaemonFC | they pre-date DRM | Jan 14 05:12 |
cubezzz | no :) | Jan 14 05:12 |
cubezzz | there's macrovision | Jan 14 05:12 |
DaemonFC | mackerel-vision is easy to filter out | Jan 14 05:12 |
cubezzz | but the point is it doesn't hold up well over time | Jan 14 05:12 |
cubezzz | no reason not to use digital | Jan 14 05:13 |
DaemonFC | besides, I have a few VCRs that are not affected by it anyway | Jan 14 05:13 |
DaemonFC | I used them to record things off Pay Per View or premium channels | Jan 14 05:13 |
DaemonFC | when they switched over to using mackerel vision | Jan 14 05:14 |
DaemonFC | I called them one day and told them that they ought to clearly mark mackerel vision infected tapes | Jan 14 05:16 |
DaemonFC | so that consumers would know they were buying defective goods | Jan 14 05:16 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz: It's just an analog hack that fucks up a VCR's auto gain control | Jan 14 05:17 |
cubezzz | it messes up converts to digital as well | Jan 14 05:17 |
DaemonFC | it's very simple to filter out before the signal goes to the VCR | Jan 14 05:17 |
cubezzz | my point is that magnetic tape degrades though | Jan 14 05:18 |
DaemonFC | before the DMCA, you could get filters to remove the signal from the backs of a magazine for $10-$20 | Jan 14 05:18 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jan 14 05:18 |
DaemonFC | Yeah, magnetic tape does degrade, but hard disks crash, and CDs and DVDs degrade and/or scratch | Jan 14 05:19 |
DaemonFC | we still use those | Jan 14 05:19 |
cubezzz | there are archival quality dvd recordables | Jan 14 05:19 |
DaemonFC | they only last 20 years maximum, even under ideal storage conditions | Jan 14 05:20 |
cubezzz | plus it's trivially easy to keep backing them up | Jan 14 05:20 |
DaemonFC | every one in a while you'll need to pull your old discs down off the shelf and copy them to new discs | Jan 14 05:20 |
DaemonFC | *once | Jan 14 05:20 |
DaemonFC | and the 20 year figure assumes you used quality media | Jan 14 05:21 |
DaemonFC | the cheap-o discs you get off brand are maybe half that | Jan 14 05:21 |
DaemonFC | there's a difference in cheap media, you get more burn errors, more defective discs, etc. | Jan 14 05:21 |
schestowitz | http://status.net/2010/01/13/0-9rc3-upgrade-13-january-2010-1000pm-est | Jan 14 05:22 |
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DaemonFC | without verifying the disc you just burned, there's a chance that a sector is already unreadable and you just won't know it til later when you try to read it | Jan 14 05:22 |
DaemonFC | that's one reason why it's worth the 2-3 minutes to verify the disc you're burning an OS to | Jan 14 05:23 |
DaemonFC | otherwise it could get halfway in and the installer bombs out cause it can't read a file it needs | Jan 14 05:23 |
DaemonFC | I once had that happen on a Fedora DVD, I managed to work around it by telling it to check for updated packages first, and apparently the package on the bad sector was not needed then :) | Jan 14 05:24 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz: I hate optical discs, hate them | Jan 14 05:25 |
DaemonFC | we should be beyond even needing that shit | Jan 14 05:25 |
cubezzz | that's why people use md5sum | Jan 14 05:25 |
DaemonFC | flash memory capacity will eventually kill the CD | Jan 14 05:26 |
DaemonFC | just like it killed the floppy disk (shudder) | Jan 14 05:26 |
cubezzz | can you really say flash memory is more reliable that a CDR? | Jan 14 05:26 |
DaemonFC | yeah, I can | Jan 14 05:26 |
cubezzz | well, I have CDRs from 1995 | Jan 14 05:26 |
DaemonFC | I'd give the CD a few more years | Jan 14 05:26 |
cubezzz | they still work | Jan 14 05:27 |
DaemonFC | obviously music CDs will die first | Jan 14 05:27 |
cubezzz | you can't say the same for flash memory | Jan 14 05:27 |
DaemonFC | Sandisk is already selling microSD cards with MP3s on them | Jan 14 05:27 |
DaemonFC | for cheaper than the CD album | Jan 14 05:27 |
DaemonFC | I think that will win out eventually | Jan 14 05:27 |
cubezzz | also flash memory can be over-written | Jan 14 05:28 |
DaemonFC | there's so many things nibbling away at CD sales, the CD will just not be economically viable anymore in 5 years or so | Jan 14 05:28 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz: I know, that's a feature | Jan 14 05:28 |
cubezzz | you don't want your archives over-written | Jan 14 05:28 |
DaemonFC | you can copy the MP3s onto your hard drive and have a 512 MB microSD that's blank | Jan 14 05:29 |
DaemonFC | neat huh? | Jan 14 05:29 |
DaemonFC | brb | Jan 14 05:29 |
cubezzz | I rsync all my flash stuff to hard drive, then burn it for safe keeping | Jan 14 05:29 |
cubezzz | it would be foolish to leave my only copy on flash | Jan 14 05:30 |
cubezzz | also on the zaurus we have the additional problem of an SD driver which is a binary blob | Jan 14 05:31 |
DaemonFC | Linux supports them natively | Jan 14 05:33 |
DaemonFC | it's built into the kernel | Jan 14 05:33 |
DaemonFC | at least on every card reader I've used | Jan 14 05:33 |
DaemonFC | Windows supports them | Jan 14 05:33 |
DaemonFC | most cars support them and MP3 now | Jan 14 05:34 |
DaemonFC | an SD slot could replace the CD deck eventually | Jan 14 05:34 |
cubezzz | there's a 2.6 open driver, but no open 2.4 driver | Jan 14 05:35 |
DaemonFC | I know that's a good argument for a bad compromise (MP3 = Yuck) | Jan 14 05:35 |
DaemonFC | but consumers are stupid and will buy it | Jan 14 05:35 |
cubezzz | not sure about fc1 actually | Jan 14 05:36 |
DaemonFC | I'd like to see them do another Vorbis vs MP3 listening test actually | Jan 14 05:36 |
DaemonFC | Vorbis as of 2005 was already kicking MP3's ass into next week | Jan 14 05:36 |
DaemonFC | if Sandisk could use Vorbis, they could fit an entire discography of most bands onto a 512 MB MicroSD | Jan 14 05:37 |
DaemonFC | at better quality to boot | Jan 14 05:38 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz: What got me interested in Vorbis was just that. MicroSD HC cards cost a fortune. | Jan 14 05:38 |
DaemonFC | I still haven't come close to overrunning this card, and the internal memory on the Sansa hasn't been touched | Jan 14 05:39 |
DaemonFC | if this was MP3, I'd have used all the space on my card already | Jan 14 05:39 |
DaemonFC | but something the size of my little thumbnail is now capable of holding 800 CDs worth of music in good quality, that's just cool | Jan 14 05:40 |
DaemonFC | *little fingernail | Jan 14 05:41 |
DaemonFC | do you want to carry around 800 CDs or something the size of your little fingernail? | Jan 14 05:41 |
DaemonFC | which is why the CD's days are probably numbered | Jan 14 05:41 |
cubezzz | ok I should be able to figure out if what the driver is now | Jan 14 05:43 |
cubezzz | it just loaded osst again :-/ | Jan 14 05:44 |
cubezzz | what the heck is the driver for CF/SD cards? | Jan 14 05:45 |
DaemonFC | I stopped using my radio in the car | Jan 14 05:45 |
DaemonFC | I know it's illegal to have earbuds in while you're driving, but it's one of those things you can rip out and throw onto the passenger seat quickly if a cop pulls you over | Jan 14 05:46 |
cubezzz | there's binfmt_misc but I'm not sure what that does | Jan 14 05:46 |
cubezzz | there's probably all sorts of modules I'm not really using | Jan 14 05:48 |
DaemonFC | I want to know why anyone would use Linux 2.4 | Jan 14 05:49 |
Diablo-D3 | [12:25:21] <cubezzz> can you really say flash memory is more reliable that a CDR? | Jan 14 05:49 |
Diablo-D3 | no | Jan 14 05:49 |
Diablo-D3 | its not | Jan 14 05:49 |
DaemonFC | it's not that much less bloated than 2.6 can be | Jan 14 05:49 |
Diablo-D3 | flash goes blank after awhile | Jan 14 05:49 |
Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: why dont you just quote the article I did years ago | Jan 14 05:49 |
cubezzz | I forget where is was | Jan 14 05:49 |
Diablo-D3 | its easier than arguing with whoever you're arguing with | Jan 14 05:49 |
cubezzz | is=it | Jan 14 05:49 |
Diablo-D3 | http://adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2006/10/30/how-to-choose-cddvd-archival-media | Jan 14 05:50 |
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cubezzz | ok thanks | Jan 14 05:50 |
Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: but yeah, I dont recommend rewritable media for archive storage | Jan 14 05:50 |
Diablo-D3 | its too easy to accidentally overwrite | Jan 14 05:50 |
cubezzz | Diablo-D3, you wouldn't know what driver linux uses for CF/SD card readers? | Jan 14 05:50 |
Diablo-D3 | it doesnt use a driver for CF readers | Jan 14 05:50 |
Diablo-D3 | CF cards are native IDE devices | Jan 14 05:50 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz: Windows is funny like that. By funny I mean infuriating. | Jan 14 05:51 |
Diablo-D3 | and if you have a physical reader, most likely its just a USB device | Jan 14 05:51 |
DaemonFC | Every time you eject a CD-RW, it'll want to write a new desktop.ini in the root folder | Jan 14 05:51 |
Diablo-D3 | so you're never accessing the card directly | Jan 14 05:51 |
cubezzz | maybe it's sd_mod | Jan 14 05:51 |
cubezzz | hmmm | Jan 14 05:51 |
Diablo-D3 | so it just shows up as a generic usb mass storage device | Jan 14 05:51 |
Diablo-D3 | but if you're plugging an CF card straight into your mobo, you're using a CF->IDE mechanical adapter | Jan 14 05:52 |
cubezzz | Diablo-D3, no it's an external card reader in this case | Jan 14 05:52 |
Diablo-D3 | then it shows up as a usb mass storage device | Jan 14 05:52 |
Diablo-D3 | you cant directly access the card | Jan 14 05:52 |
cubezzz | ok | Jan 14 05:52 |
cubezzz | I just want to know that I have an open source driver | Jan 14 05:53 |
DaemonFC | Windows For Dummies should be more like Windows For Those Who Should Be Wards of the State | Jan 14 05:53 |
Diablo-D3 | yes, you do | Jan 14 05:53 |
Diablo-D3 | if its a USB reader, you can read _anything_ | Jan 14 05:53 |
DaemonFC | I was flipping through the latest one in the bookstore, for Windows 7 | Jan 14 05:53 |
Diablo-D3 | especially if its one of those that have 4 slots | Jan 14 05:54 |
cubezzz | usb-storage I guess could be the one | Jan 14 05:54 |
Diablo-D3 | mmc/sd, cf, memory stick, and xd/sm | Jan 14 05:54 |
Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: yes | Jan 14 05:54 |
Diablo-D3 | I think thats it | Jan 14 05:55 |
Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: oh, and its super fun that | Jan 14 05:55 |
Diablo-D3 | sd | Jan 14 05:55 |
Diablo-D3 | and micro sd and nano sd and whatever else | Jan 14 05:55 |
Diablo-D3 | fit into the next size up with mechanical adapters | Jan 14 05:55 |
cubezzz | the card reader seems to be all named /dev/sg? | Jan 14 05:56 |
Diablo-D3 | sometimes | Jan 14 05:56 |
Diablo-D3 | if theres something plugged in, it shows up as a /dev/sd | Jan 14 05:57 |
cubezzz | /dev/sg3 gets mapped to /dev/sdc | Jan 14 05:57 |
cubezzz | ah yeah | Jan 14 05:57 |
Diablo-D3 | sg = scsi generic | Jan 14 05:57 |
cubezzz | weird | Jan 14 05:57 |
Diablo-D3 | sd = scsi disk | Jan 14 05:57 |
cubezzz | yeah, I never understood that | Jan 14 05:57 |
Diablo-D3 | sata, usb, and scsi/sas all get mapped to the scsi subsystem | Jan 14 05:57 |
Diablo-D3 | its just a quirk in linux | Jan 14 05:58 |
Diablo-D3 | the scsi subsystem is really just "all next gen disk shit" | Jan 14 05:58 |
cubezzz | Diablo-D3, when I plugged in the card reader it also loaded osst and st | Jan 14 05:58 |
cubezzz | I'm not even sure where the heck that is configured | Jan 14 05:58 |
Diablo-D3 | dunno what those do | Jan 14 05:58 |
Diablo-D3 | its done as apart of hotplug | Jan 14 05:59 |
cubezzz | tape drivers | Jan 14 05:59 |
Diablo-D3 | which is part of udev | Jan 14 05:59 |
cubezzz | no, this is old though | Jan 14 05:59 |
cubezzz | 2.4 | Jan 14 05:59 |
Diablo-D3 | why so old? | Jan 14 05:59 |
Diablo-D3 | upgrade | Jan 14 05:59 |
cubezzz | everything works perfect on this box | Jan 14 06:00 |
cubezzz | I'm a bit scared to change it | Jan 14 06:00 |
cubezzz | uptimes over 1 year | Jan 14 06:01 |
DaemonFC | is that box from 2002? :P | Jan 14 06:01 |
cubezzz | this box is 1998 era | Jan 14 06:01 |
DaemonFC | ouch | Jan 14 06:01 |
DaemonFC | How do you even get it to work? | Jan 14 06:01 |
Diablo-D3 | heh | Jan 14 06:01 |
Diablo-D3 | toss it | Jan 14 06:01 |
cubezzz | it just keeps working :) | Jan 14 06:01 |
Diablo-D3 | it wont after awhile | Jan 14 06:01 |
Diablo-D3 | hardware eventually dies | Jan 14 06:02 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz: You may just want to build a system yourself, like Arch lets you do | Jan 14 06:02 |
cubezzz | that is ture | Jan 14 06:02 |
DaemonFC | you could make a pretty lightweight Linux 2.6-based system with that | Jan 14 06:02 |
cubezzz | true | Jan 14 06:02 |
DaemonFC | Linux 2.4 is technically still supported mainly because embedded systems with limited RAM can use it | Jan 14 06:03 |
DaemonFC | but it's not getting many useful updates, and certainly no new features or hardware support | Jan 14 06:03 |
DaemonFC | 2.6 has been mature for quite some time now, I didn't know there were any 2.4 holdouts | Jan 14 06:04 |
DaemonFC | funny enough that my dad says he never sees Windows doing anything more than running a kiosk here or there | Jan 14 06:05 |
cubezzz | I'm going to find out where the damn osst driver gets called in | Jan 14 06:06 |
DaemonFC | he said that the company he's contracting for now is using some king of embedded Linux to control a robotic assembly line system | Jan 14 06:06 |
DaemonFC | :D | Jan 14 06:06 |
DaemonFC | *kind | Jan 14 06:06 |
cubezzz | they didn't even put the osst.txt file in with my docs | Jan 14 06:10 |
DaemonFC | Why are so many people on Yahoo Answers seeking iTunes help? | Jan 14 06:10 |
DaemonFC | What do they expect when they put an Abrams battle tank that thinks it's a music jukebox on their PC alongside to 47 system services it installs | Jan 14 06:11 |
DaemonFC | I laughed my ass off when people with iTunes installed tried installing Vista SP2 and bricked their system | Jan 14 06:11 |
DaemonFC | one of the many unnecessary services that Apple foists into Windows (Bonjour I think) prevented Vista from being able to boot | Jan 14 06:12 |
cubezzz | ok, found it | Jan 14 06:14 |
cubezzz | it was in modprobe.conf.dist | Jan 14 06:14 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz: How does Apple get away with doubling the security problems in Windows with their software? | Jan 14 06:16 |
cubezzz | totally intuitive :-0 | Jan 14 06:16 |
DaemonFC | Why do they never take any fire from anyone for it? | Jan 14 06:16 |
cubezzz | DaemonFC, I don't use itunes so I don't know much about it | Jan 14 06:16 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft is doing a good enough job filling Windows with unnecessary bugs without any help | Jan 14 06:17 |
DaemonFC | I would think so anyway | Jan 14 06:17 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz: It's awful, it's so bloated and slow and only really understands a few file formats | Jan 14 06:17 |
DaemonFC | if it sees you have any WMAs, it converts them all to AAC without asking | Jan 14 06:18 |
DaemonFC | :D | Jan 14 06:18 |
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cubezzz | usb-storage 71200 2 | Jan 14 06:18 |
cubezzz | ok, now it's used by only two (devices) | Jan 14 06:18 |
cubezzz | so that has to be it | Jan 14 06:18 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz: I'd like to figure out how to just rip out its AAC encoder and get rid of the rest of it | Jan 14 06:19 |
DaemonFC | there's other programs that can use the iTunes AAC encoder if you have it | Jan 14 06:19 |
DaemonFC | You can eat stinging nettles? O_O | Jan 14 06:54 |
DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stinging_nettle#Food | Jan 14 06:54 |
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DaemonFC | hmmmm, between all the stinging nettles and dandelions I get in my yard, I don't have to shop for groceries | Jan 14 06:55 |
DaemonFC | :P | Jan 14 06:55 |
DaemonFC | why anyone would eat either is beyond me | Jan 14 06:56 |
DaemonFC | Use dandelions in a sentence? Why sure! | Jan 14 06:56 |
DaemonFC | I'd stab my neighbor to death and bury him in my yard, but the abundance of dandelions might give me away | Jan 14 06:57 |
DaemonFC | District 9.... | Jan 14 07:05 |
DaemonFC | "Lets throw the alien visitors in a concentration camp with Nigerians and see how that works out | Jan 14 07:05 |
cubezzz | ok, at least I know why osst and st get reloaded | Jan 14 07:21 |
cubezzz | it's stupid that the default is to load them though | Jan 14 07:21 |
cubezzz | I've _never_ had a tape drive on this machine | Jan 14 07:21 |
cubezzz | maybe in the future OEM's will sell Linux computers precisely tuned to their hardware | Jan 14 07:24 |
cubezzz | and I'm still not sure what sd_mod does | Jan 14 07:25 |
DaemonFC | with tape drives? | Jan 14 07:25 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jan 14 07:25 |
DaemonFC | the last time I saw one, it was in a pawn shop in the mid 90s for about $10 | Jan 14 07:26 |
cubezzz | whereever I reconnect the card reader, I get osst and st loaded in again | Jan 14 07:28 |
cubezzz | The Linux SCSI subsystem consists of three layers: | Jan 14 07:30 |
cubezzz | * The upper layer consists of specific device type drivers that are closest to user-space, such as the disk driver, tape driver, and CD-ROM driver. | Jan 14 07:30 |
cubezzz | * The lower layer consists of drivers, such as the QLogic and Emulex host bus adapter (HBA) drivers, which are closest to the hardware. | Jan 14 07:30 |
cubezzz | * The middle layer is the SCSI core that glues the upper and lower layer drivers together. | Jan 14 07:30 |
cubezzz | The sd driver is the SCSI disk driver, or block driver, which is named sd_mod when built as a module. The SCSI mid-layer driver is known as scsi_mod when built as a module. | Jan 14 07:31 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Monsato GM corn is a killer... can we arrest them for mass terrorism now? http://ur1.ca/js5v #science | Jan 14 07:33 | |
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cubezzz | "/sbin/modinfo sd_mod" tells me nothing | Jan 14 07:34 |
cubezzz | I guess the source must be sd.c ??? | Jan 14 07:40 |
cubezzz | so the card reader is a SCSI device pfffft :) | Jan 14 07:46 |
cubezzz | and the dvd burner and the external usb 2.0 hard drive | Jan 14 07:47 |
cubezzz | which is really IDE | Jan 14 07:47 |
cubezzz | now I get it | Jan 14 07:47 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Pink Floyd "Echoes" and Final Part of "2001" - Jupiter and Beyond Synchronisation http://ur1.ca/js6i | Jan 14 07:53 | |
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Diablo-D3 | god thats fucking trippy | Jan 14 08:04 |
cubezzz | what about Wizard of OZ? :) | Jan 14 08:05 |
cubezzz | didn't seem like it really synced with Dark side of the Moon to me though | Jan 14 08:05 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] can i use egg to increase the taste of maggi? Because maggi sucks :( Any #tips ? | Jan 14 08:08 | |
cubezzz | 2001 was trippy on it's own | Jan 14 08:15 |
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Diablo-D3 | this makes it trippier | Jan 14 08:40 |
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DaemonFC | Novell lately seems to be making news for cursing at companies and city governments for leaving them for Gmail | Jan 14 09:25 |
DaemonFC | "Hey! Where the hell are you going? FINE!!! Be that way! See if we care!" | Jan 14 09:26 |
DaemonFC | :D | Jan 14 09:26 |
DaemonFC | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/30480/53/ | Jan 14 09:27 |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] LOL: Ankit Fadia is now working on the national ID project? http://is.gd/6f4YK We are all doomed. (via @ManishSinha) | Jan 14 10:28 | |
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schestowitz | [07:33] [Notice] -BNi to #boycottnovell- [diablod3/@diablod3] #Monsato GM corn is a killer... can we arrest them for mass terrorism now? http://ur1.ca/js5v #science | Jan 14 10:31 |
schestowitz | Yes, pls! | Jan 14 10:32 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Woken up..something calming to listen to on a Thursday morning..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD5ml68B18o #metal | Jan 14 10:47 | |
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cubezzz | bewarrrre the frankencorrrrrn | Jan 14 10:47 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Going to thrash my BC Rich Warlock 100 this afternoon. Been in the cupboard for too long (Les Paul diehard here.....) #axe | Jan 14 10:51 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Watched #avatar 3d in inox today. its linkage with adivasi spirituality is amazing. seems like holywood version of operation greenhunt | Jan 14 10:53 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sunil_abraham: RT @cis_india Bob Horovitz on Opening India's Spectrum, 6pm today at CIS. See http://tr.im/Kfw1 (on... http://tr.im/Kfwb | Jan 14 10:56 | |
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schestowitz | tessier: caching the Wiki leads to some issues; when changes are made they do now show up, even in the edit page | Jan 14 11:03 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @ushahidi: Pass this on. Missing persons registry for #haiti is http://www.haitianquake.com | Jan 14 11:19 | |
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schestowitz | What's up with identica through the upgrades? | Jan 14 11:34 |
schestowitz | Have they queued requests | Jan 14 11:35 |
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schestowitz | It's like I was posting many things into /dev/null/ yesterday | Jan 14 11:35 |
Diablo-D3 | wworks great for me | Jan 14 11:35 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I love posting the highlights of Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 81 of US law | Jan 14 11:48 |
DaemonFC | whenever someone talks about piracy costing someone money | Jan 14 11:48 |
DaemonFC | it lists the forms of piracy that are recognized and punishable under US law | Jan 14 11:49 |
DaemonFC | none of them have anything to do with software | Jan 14 11:49 |
DaemonFC | "Ryan said on January 14th, 2010 at 4:15 AM: | Jan 14 11:50 |
DaemonFC | These are the forms of piracy as recognized by US law. So which kind costs Apple developers money?" | Jan 14 11:50 |
DaemonFC | :P | Jan 14 11:50 |
DaemonFC | I think it may be "§ 1658. Plunder of distressed vessel" | Jan 14 11:51 |
schestowitz | Meh. | Jan 14 12:16 |
schestowitz | It's not piracy | Jan 14 12:17 |
schestowitz | Piracy is a crime | Jan 14 12:17 |
schestowitz | But fortunately we have no piracy in the UK | Jan 14 12:17 |
schestowitz | British boats are also equipped with weapons now, so piracy is not much of a threat to the economy | Jan 14 12:18 |
DaemonFC | I wonder what's going on in the trial of the pirate we captured | Jan 14 12:20 |
DaemonFC | iirc, he didn't really understand the seriousness of his situation | Jan 14 12:20 |
DaemonFC | or maybe he just figured that the worst American federal prison is still better than living in Somalia, so what the hell | Jan 14 12:20 |
DaemonFC | Mexicans do that all the time | Jan 14 12:21 |
DaemonFC | come here just to commit a crime and go to one of our prisons | Jan 14 12:21 |
DaemonFC | the ones who want a place to stay and food to eat without having to work, that is | Jan 14 12:22 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, In Mexico, the police have been bought by the drug cartels, and when you come up on a police checkpoint, they're really just making sure you aren't running drugs for the competition of whoever is bribing them | Jan 14 12:23 |
DaemonFC | the first thing the Mexican army and federal police do when they take over a town now is disarm the local police so they don't get shot in the back | Jan 14 12:24 |
DaemonFC | the scary thing though is that Mexico has always been so lawless that the criminal gangs are heavily enough armed to take on the army in a firefight | Jan 14 12:25 |
schestowitz | "So in KMail we see a strong dependence on the project on a particular contributor. This might indicate this project is trouble. Certainly if that contributor were to be run over by a bus, the project will loose a significant source of momentum." | Jan 14 12:31 |
schestowitz | http://blogs.fsfe.org/padams/?p=3 | Jan 14 12:31 |
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schestowitz | DaemonFC: I *think* you hate Mexico | Jan 14 12:32 |
DaemonFC | is "rat infested shithole" too strong? :D | Jan 14 12:32 |
DaemonFC | there's really not much to like about it | Jan 14 12:34 |
DaemonFC | It's so hot that I was sweating and it was evaporating before it could even bead up | Jan 14 12:34 |
DaemonFC | we're talking like 100 degrees or more, in the shade | Jan 14 12:35 |
DaemonFC | the reason they're having these problems now was because nobody did anything about it until Calderon grew a pair and decided to wipe the bastards out | Jan 14 12:36 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, How many things do you need that read mail anyway? | Jan 14 12:37 |
schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100112/2020157718.shtml "The real question is what China does now -- and whether either side is bluffing? " | Jan 14 12:37 |
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DaemonFC | Are you trying to invoke Zawinski's Law? | Jan 14 12:37 |
*schestowitz looks up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zawinski%27s_Law | Jan 14 12:38 | |
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schestowitz | "Zawinski's Law of Software Envelopment (also known as Zawinski's Law) relates the pressure of popularity to the phenomenon of software bloat:.." | Jan 14 12:39 |
DaemonFC | "Every program attempts to expand until it can read mail. Those programs which cannot so expand are replaced by ones which can." | Jan 14 12:40 |
DaemonFC | How many unix programs can read mail anyway? | Jan 14 12:42 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jan 14 12:42 |
schestowitz | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/6973757/Facebook-dismisses-rumours-of-charging-plans.html | Jan 14 12:44 |
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cubezzz | Zawinkski is out to lunch | Jan 14 12:48 |
cubezzz | almost all the command line programs don't read mail | Jan 14 12:48 |
cubezzz | no old school unix person would ever say that | Jan 14 12:48 |
cubezzz | totally contrary to unix design | Jan 14 12:49 |
schestowitz | "Historically, what it's been is the entertainment industry putting together a list of countries that don't have draconian enough copyright laws, and it gets the USTR to complain about them and put them on a "watch list" of sorts." http://techdirt.com/articles/20100112/2339157722.shtml | Jan 14 12:49 |
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cubezzz | does that list include Canada? :) | Jan 14 12:50 |
cubezzz | or is the "watch list" a secret? | Jan 14 12:50 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Bob Horovitz on Opening India's Spectrum @cis_india http://tr.im/Kfwb #cisspectrum #openspectrum | Jan 14 12:55 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @cis_india: The restriction on spectrum is artificial. Unique regulation structure in India, modified from colonial past. #CISSpectrum | Jan 14 12:56 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @cis_india: Like Moore's Law in microprocessors, Cooper's Law in spectrum. It's a *very* bold claim! http://tr.im/Kn7G #CISSpectrum | Jan 14 12:58 | |
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schestowitz | cubezzz: axis of evil? Nooooo....... | Jan 14 12:58 |
schestowitz | Identica is still messed up | Jan 14 12:59 |
schestowitz | Lag and message lost from API | Jan 14 12:59 |
MinceR | jwz went "out to lunch" long ago | Jan 14 13:00 |
MinceR | never returned | Jan 14 13:00 |
schestowitz | http://torrentfreak.com/record-labels-demand-cash-from-pirate-bay-founders-100111/ | Jan 14 13:00 |
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schestowitz | Linux ISOs | Jan 14 13:00 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Paul Baran, inventor of packet switching, conceived "open spectrum". #CISSpectrum | Jan 14 13:02 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Radio is still under "authoritarian" legal tradition. ie. nothing is permited. Not specifically forbidden #CISSpectrum | Jan 14 13:05 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @cis_india: Spectrum, even in liberl societis, is "unles authrized, everythng is forbiden" instd of "allowd unless forbiden" #cisspectrum | Jan 14 13:11 | |
zoobab | Nellie Kroes will get a question in her hearing on swpat and net neutrality at 16h30 | Jan 14 13:20 |
zoobab | does anybody can help to dump the stream? | Jan 14 13:20 |
zoobab | it is in mms:// Microsoft and patented protocol | Jan 14 13:20 |
MinceR | mimms can dump such streams | Jan 14 13:21 |
cubezzz | what is the link? | Jan 14 13:21 |
zoobab | that's the problem, you have to find it on the EP website | Jan 14 13:23 |
zoobab | it is a mess to find | Jan 14 13:23 |
zoobab | and there are 2 websites | Jan 14 13:23 |
zoobab | one is http://europarltv.europa.eu | Jan 14 13:23 |
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zoobab | the other one is the website of the EP: | Jan 14 13:23 |
zoobab | http://www.europarl.europa.eu | Jan 14 13:23 |
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MinceR | (also, vlc can stream and play such streams) | Jan 14 13:24 |
DaemonFC | zoobab, VLC supports MMS streaming | Jan 14 13:24 |
zoobab | I know | Jan 14 13:24 |
zoobab | but I need to find the URL first | Jan 14 13:24 |
DaemonFC | and MinceR beat me to it | Jan 14 13:24 |
DaemonFC | :P | Jan 14 13:24 |
DaemonFC | I don't know why people use mms, Windows Media can be streamed over other protocols | Jan 14 13:25 |
DaemonFC | oh well, in for a penny, in for a pound is the way Microsoft operates I guess :P | Jan 14 13:25 |
cubezzz | wow, this is a big bunch of crap | Jan 14 13:27 |
MinceR | i don't know why people use winblows media | Jan 14 13:27 |
zoobab | because Microsoft went to the Parliament with a ready solution | Jan 14 13:27 |
zoobab | http://www.europarl.europa.eu/hearings/default.htm?language=en | Jan 14 13:28 |
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cubezzz | I thought Euro people didn't like MS? :) | Jan 14 13:28 |
MinceR | it probably depends on how much they're being paid by them at the moment | Jan 14 13:29 |
zoobab | Europe does not like MS, but they still use it | Jan 14 13:30 |
zoobab | http://www.europarl.europa.eu/hearings/js/+sfgRmluamFuX1R5cGU9amF2YV9zY3JpcHQmRmluamFuX0xhbmc9dGV4dC9qYXZhc2NyaXB0+/programUrl.js | Jan 14 13:31 |
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zoobab | http://www.europarl.europa.eu/hearings/js/+sfgRmluamFuX1R5cGU9amF2YV9zY3JpcHQmRmluamFuX0xhbmc9dGV4dC9qYXZhc2NyaXB0+/programUrl.js | Jan 14 13:31 |
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zoobab | standby="Loading Windows Media Player components..." | Jan 14 13:31 |
zoobab | nrtCommissioner['KROESN'] = "http://live.europarl.europa.eu/asx/ext/Audition02.asx"; | Jan 14 13:32 |
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cubezzz | I don't think I can even wget the js file | Jan 14 13:32 |
cubezzz | ummm | Jan 14 13:32 |
zoobab | http://live.europarl.europa.eu/asx/ext/Audition02.asx | Jan 14 13:32 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 14 13:32 |
zoobab | mms://livewms.europarl.europa.eu/reflector:58779 | Jan 14 13:33 |
DaemonFC | MinceR, I always joked about DRM'd WMA files | Jan 14 13:34 |
DaemonFC | as using Microsoft PlaysForNow technology | Jan 14 13:34 |
MinceR | i call that FailsForSure | Jan 14 13:34 |
DaemonFC | WMA has been pretty thoroughly reverse engineered | Jan 14 13:35 |
DaemonFC | if it's not DRM'd, you should be able to play it back on Linux | Jan 14 13:36 |
cubezzz | I get "Unknown ASF streaming type" | Jan 14 13:36 |
cubezzz | must be something really obscure | Jan 14 13:36 |
DaemonFC | ffmpeg even has a crude WMA encoder | Jan 14 13:36 |
DaemonFC | so it's technically possible to create WMA files on Linux | Jan 14 13:36 |
DaemonFC | I don't know why anyone would, or why they even made it possible | Jan 14 13:37 |
MinceR | back when i tried, keyframes tended to be missing | Jan 14 13:38 |
MinceR | in wmv | Jan 14 13:38 |
MinceR | i have very few wma files, but i think i can play them | Jan 14 13:38 |
DaemonFC | yeah, the WMV encoder is too bad to even use | Jan 14 13:38 |
MinceR | i meant the decoder though | Jan 14 13:38 |
DaemonFC | VLC should play WMV files back | Jan 14 13:39 |
DaemonFC | nobody wants to make a WMA encoder because really the format isn't good enough to be worth getting sued for | Jan 14 13:40 |
DaemonFC | there's better ones that don't involve a lawsuite :) | Jan 14 13:40 |
DaemonFC | *lawsuit | Jan 14 13:40 |
schestowitz | http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2010/01/google-ends-censorship-in-china/ | Jan 14 13:44 |
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schestowitz | http://mpexpensesconsultation.org.uk/ | Jan 14 13:44 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, So, any good moat cleanings lately? | Jan 14 13:45 |
schestowitz | I missed this one: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/01/08/vega_icd/ | Jan 14 13:45 |
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schestowitz | Why moats? | Jan 14 13:46 |
schestowitz | http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/01/08/bc-whistler-homeless-olympics-relocate.html | Jan 14 13:52 |
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schestowitz | Nice, eh? | Jan 14 13:52 |
cubezzz | vlc blahblah --mms-all | Jan 14 13:53 |
cubezzz | maybe | Jan 14 13:53 |
cubezzz | or cvlc blah --mms-all | Jan 14 13:54 |
cubezzz | ok | Jan 14 13:57 |
cubezzz | I got one to work :) | Jan 14 13:57 |
cubezzz | cvlc mms://livewms.europarl.europa.eu/reflector:36131 --mms-all | Jan 14 13:57 |
cubezzz | the other one you gave didn't seem to be transmitting | Jan 14 13:57 |
cubezzz | so it should be doable | Jan 14 13:58 |
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schestowitz | http://arxiv.org/abs/1001.0785 | Jan 14 14:01 |
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cubezzz | tell the Euro guys to stop hiding stuff buried in asx files | Jan 14 14:01 |
DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_9#Critics | Jan 14 14:03 |
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DaemonFC | lulz | Jan 14 14:03 |
DaemonFC | "The Nigerian government was deeply offended by the film. ...because of the film's negative depiction of the Nigerian characters as criminals and cannibals." | Jan 14 14:04 |
DaemonFC | as opposed to AIDs infested 419 scammers? | Jan 14 14:04 |
DaemonFC | *AIDS | Jan 14 14:04 |
DaemonFC | their "Information Minister" (There's your first hint) had it banned | Jan 14 14:04 |
schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/jan/11/ces-consumption?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter | Jan 14 14:06 |
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schestowitz | "Consumption" | Jan 14 14:06 |
schestowitz | "Sonsumer" | Jan 14 14:06 |
schestowitz | *Co | Jan 14 14:06 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: Nigeria is a huge population | Jan 14 14:06 |
DaemonFC | I tried consuming electronics, but they broke my teeth | Jan 14 14:06 |
schestowitz | ALl countries - esp. large ones - have rotten apples | Jan 14 14:06 |
DaemonFC | so I stopped : | Jan 14 14:06 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jan 14 14:07 |
schestowitz | Heh. | Jan 14 14:07 |
schestowitz | Well, that's how it's viewed | Jan 14 14:07 |
cubezzz | actually that stream doesn't look bad even using full screen | Jan 14 14:07 |
schestowitz | You devour, then come back for more | Jan 14 14:07 |
schestowitz | Over here I recycle trash | Jan 14 14:07 |
DaemonFC | meh, I've made do with some really crap systems before | Jan 14 14:07 |
schestowitz | So most of what goes in the bin is just vegetables, the rest can be washed and sent for reuse | Jan 14 14:07 |
schestowitz | Water is just water (circulatory) and energy is a tricky one | Jan 14 14:08 |
schestowitz | But we get energy from the Sun | Jan 14 14:08 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, and it's cheaper to light paper money on fire and use it to power a turbine than it is to install solar panels | Jan 14 14:08 |
schestowitz | Here in the West, IIRC, we burn 8 times more energy per person than in Africa | Jan 14 14:08 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jan 14 14:08 |
schestowitz | Nuclear fission | Jan 14 14:09 |
schestowitz | use the c^2 | Jan 14 14:09 |
DaemonFC | it's not surprising, laying on a dirt floor, looking at the ceiling doesn't use much electricity | Jan 14 14:09 |
cubezzz | yeah and we are pretty good at paving the earth too | Jan 14 14:10 |
DaemonFC | bicycling everywhere doesn't either | Jan 14 14:10 |
schestowitz | I heard it on the radio this morning | Jan 14 14:10 |
schestowitz | WHen I woke up | Jan 14 14:10 |
schestowitz | They advertise cycling now | Jan 14 14:10 |
cubezzz | ok, looks like it's a wee bit warmer ( only -1.3C ) | Jan 14 14:10 |
schestowitz | To reduce carbon emissions | Jan 14 14:10 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz, The fact that the Earth has been cooling down for the last decade gets covered up | Jan 14 14:10 |
schestowitz | Saving 5 miles of driving they say | Jan 14 14:10 |
DaemonFC | the global warming scam continues | Jan 14 14:10 |
schestowitz | It's also good exercise (health) | Jan 14 14:10 |
DaemonFC | profit ensues | Jan 14 14:10 |
cubezzz | yeah I'm going out right now :) | Jan 14 14:11 |
schestowitz | [14:10] <DaemonFC> cubezzz, The fact that the Earth has been cooling down for the last decade gets covered up | Jan 14 14:11 |
schestowitz | [Citation needed] | Jan 14 14:11 |
schestowitz | You talk BS, DaemonFC | Jan 14 14:11 |
schestowitz | It has been warming up | Jan 14 14:11 |
cubezzz | my own useless opinion is it seems things are a bit warmer | Jan 14 14:11 |
DaemonFC | real scientific research into the climate gets suppressed to make way for political cap and trade tax agendas | Jan 14 14:11 |
schestowitz | 2009 was very hot here | Jan 14 14:11 |
cubezzz | I have 5 years of weather data on my box | Jan 14 14:11 |
DaemonFC | the UN supresses real research all the time | Jan 14 14:11 |
schestowitz | 2008 and 2006 iirc too | Jan 14 14:11 |
DaemonFC | they're the biggest promoters of global warming lies | Jan 14 14:12 |
cubezzz | anyways, I'll be back later | Jan 14 14:12 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: we pace up warming | Jan 14 14:12 |
schestowitz | Global dimming and all, Ozone | Jan 14 14:12 |
DaemonFC | sounds scary, gives the government an excuse to do what they want and to tax you however much they can | Jan 14 14:12 |
DaemonFC | it's not real though | Jan 14 14:12 |
schestowitz | You watched BS, DaemonFC | Jan 14 14:12 |
schestowitz | Mr. Exxon | Jan 14 14:13 |
schestowitz | Lobbying works, I guess | Jan 14 14:13 |
DaemonFC | global warming is all about taxation | Jan 14 14:13 |
DaemonFC | the government wants to let people pay to pollute | Jan 14 14:13 |
DaemonFC | the money goes to whatever the government wants to spend it on | Jan 14 14:13 |
DaemonFC | you tell me how fishy that sounds | Jan 14 14:13 |
DaemonFC | according to Obama it's all about teaching the poor to freeze to death when their energy bills double | Jan 14 14:14 |
DaemonFC | the rich keep getting to live however they want because they can afford the taxes | Jan 14 14:14 |
DaemonFC | it's going to plunge millions of people into poverty while enriching the governments and companies that stand to make billions of dollars off this crap | Jan 14 14:15 |
DaemonFC | it's as much about dis-empowering and destroying what's left of the middle class as much as it's about taking in billions in taxes and corporate profits | Jan 14 14:16 |
DaemonFC | there's a lot of companies that are getting a killing off the global warming myth, like how Ethanol subsidies keep flowing no matter how much money the bastards lose | Jan 14 14:17 |
DaemonFC | it costs them twice as much to make it as they can sell it for (cause nobody wants it), but don't you worry, your government robbed you of your paycheck to give these people an unlimited stream of money | Jan 14 14:18 |
DaemonFC | you'll see more and more of this | Jan 14 14:18 |
DaemonFC | that's the biggest ongoing bailout of them all, but I don't see anyone enraged about it because they don't know just how much the government is subsidizing it | Jan 14 14:19 |
DaemonFC | even without taxing it, it's only about 10% cheaper than gasoline and brings your miles per gallon down at least 27% | Jan 14 14:20 |
DaemonFC | so you're already paying more for it than gas even though there's no taxes on it cause of the government sweetheart deal | Jan 14 14:21 |
DaemonFC | installing solar panels will only cost you about three times what the building itself is worth | Jan 14 14:22 |
DaemonFC | if you live in your home for the next 150 years or so, solar starts really paying for itself | Jan 14 14:22 |
DaemonFC | there's really no "environmentally friendly" way to produce a useful amount of energy, schestowitz | Jan 14 14:24 |
DaemonFC | bottle up cow farts and burn them I guess | Jan 14 14:24 |
DaemonFC | short of exterminating about 5 billion people, there's just no way to stop where this is going | Jan 14 14:25 |
DaemonFC | and even killing 5 billion people would only buy us several hundred years until we're back up to the point we are now | Jan 14 14:26 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Every single person on the planet would have to die to avert this so-called climate change catastrophe | Jan 14 14:26 |
DaemonFC | which if it happens, will probably kill every person on the planet | Jan 14 14:27 |
DaemonFC | and cubezzz, pavement is nice, it gets rid of those annoying animals who had millions of years to do anything they wanted and decided to spend their life shitting in a field | Jan 14 14:28 |
schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jan/11/china-mobile-telecomms | Jan 14 14:29 |
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schestowitz | http://digg.com/users/glynmoody | Jan 14 14:29 |
DaemonFC | their loss | Jan 14 14:29 |
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schestowitz | heh. | Jan 14 14:29 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: no, conception management | Jan 14 14:30 |
schestowitz | Making it less affordable to reproduce | Jan 14 14:30 |
DaemonFC | the UN throws out any scientific data that doesn't agree with global warming | Jan 14 14:30 |
DaemonFC | they cover it up | Jan 14 14:30 |
DaemonFC | it's not even a dissenting view, it just vanished | Jan 14 14:30 |
DaemonFC | possibly along with whoever wrote it | Jan 14 14:31 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I'll tell you how to do that, if you want my honest opinion, totally uncensored | Jan 14 14:31 |
DaemonFC | stop fucking paying them to have kids | Jan 14 14:31 |
DaemonFC | that'll make it less affordable | Jan 14 14:31 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jan 14 14:32 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, the only thing I think the government should offer to pay for is contraceptives or sterilization | Jan 14 14:32 |
DaemonFC | your choice | Jan 14 14:33 |
DaemonFC | don't come whining and wanting taxpayer money when you get knocked up | Jan 14 14:33 |
schestowitz | http://www.biolsci.org/v05p0706.htm | Jan 14 14:33 |
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schestowitz | [sarcasm] Maybe they can use Monsanto to give us all cancer, unless we're given ammunition | Jan 14 14:33 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Do you know how much welfare a woman gets for having a child? | Jan 14 14:34 |
DaemonFC | it's beyond ridiculous | Jan 14 14:34 |
DaemonFC | she can get hundreds of dollars in food stamps alone, that's before the government starts handing her anything up to $400 a month in cash to "supplement" her income | Jan 14 14:34 |
schestowitz | That money can be reallocated... to vasectomies! ;-) | Jan 14 14:34 |
DaemonFC | they need to supplement her ass all the way to the employment office | Jan 14 14:35 |
DaemonFC | and make her stop sponging off taxpayers | Jan 14 14:35 |
DaemonFC | hell, get a job, sell drugs, I don't care | Jan 14 14:37 |
DaemonFC | watching these career welfare moms brag about how much they're fleecing taxpayers for sickens me | Jan 14 14:37 |
DaemonFC | they pop out more kids cause it's more profitable to do that than it is to work | Jan 14 14:37 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, These people learn all the ins and outs of the public welfare system, that is their job | Jan 14 14:38 |
schestowitz | Massive rise in people shining lasers at planes http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8454318.stm | Jan 14 14:38 |
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DaemonFC | as long as the government rewards them for reproducing, there will be unsustainable population growth | Jan 14 14:39 |
schestowitz | DIdn't Clinton end it? | Jan 14 14:39 |
schestowitz | He set a time limit, IIRC | Jan 14 14:39 |
schestowitz | Like 3 years | Jan 14 14:39 |
DaemonFC | I consider them to be prostituted, they get paid for laying on their back | Jan 14 14:39 |
DaemonFC | for that program, yes, 5 years btw | Jan 14 14:39 |
DaemonFC | but they fake illnesses and get on Social Security | Jan 14 14:39 |
DaemonFC | then they get a check for $250 for each of their kids too | Jan 14 14:40 |
DaemonFC | and they illegally sell their food stamps | Jan 14 14:40 |
schestowitz | I've never heard someone describing prostitution as " laying on one's back" | Jan 14 14:40 |
schestowitz | You're just being very rude | Jan 14 14:40 |
DaemonFC | and they get more money by signing up for energy assistance | Jan 14 14:41 |
schestowitz | I have a friend in NJ whose kid she had with her partner before he left | Jan 14 14:41 |
DaemonFC | they just hit up every program the government has | Jan 14 14:41 |
schestowitz | So you generalise to say that all such people are baby machines or something | Jan 14 14:41 |
schestowitz | The system does have a purpose | Jan 14 14:41 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, The system has a purpose | Jan 14 14:41 |
schestowitz | Solution: | Jan 14 14:42 |
DaemonFC | it's bribing voters to vote for the Democrats | Jan 14 14:42 |
schestowitz | Find the loopholes, close them | Jan 14 14:42 |
schestowitz | Identify 'use cases' | Jan 14 14:42 |
DaemonFC | the more Democrats are in office, the more of these programs spring up | Jan 14 14:42 |
schestowitz | So vote Bush, DaemonFC | Jan 14 14:43 |
DaemonFC | the more of these programs spring up, the more loyal their core constituency gets | Jan 14 14:43 |
schestowitz | You have self-punishing tendencies anyway | Jan 14 14:43 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I don't like the Republicans either, for different reasons | Jan 14 14:43 |
schestowitz | So don't vote for them | Jan 14 14:43 |
DaemonFC | both of the have driven our government into trillions of dollars of debt to finance stupid shit | Jan 14 14:44 |
zoobab | the streaming is around 17h | Jan 14 14:44 |
DaemonFC | buy political favors | Jan 14 14:44 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Unfortunately the choice is bad, worse, or sit out when it comes to voting in the US | Jan 14 14:45 |
schestowitz | http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18383-major-antarctic-glacier-is-past-its-tipping-point.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news | Jan 14 14:45 |
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schestowitz | Eat this, devil | Jan 14 14:46 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: you watch a lot of right-wing BS | Jan 14 14:46 |
schestowitz | I can see it | Jan 14 14:46 |
schestowitz | Your talk about the east.... | Jan 14 14:46 |
schestowitz | About Dems and walfare | Jan 14 14:46 |
schestowitz | You're being poisoned without knowing about it.... re climate too | Jan 14 14:46 |
DaemonFC | Welfare queens | Jan 14 14:46 |
DaemonFC | nah, I've seen the system in action | Jan 14 14:47 |
schestowitz | It would be good to divide the US in two again | Jan 14 14:47 |
DaemonFC | paying my former step sister to have sex with random men | Jan 14 14:47 |
schestowitz | Let the new-conservatives run their own failing countries | Jan 14 14:47 |
DaemonFC | and keep having kids by all of them | Jan 14 14:47 |
schestowitz | ANd let the rest live in (more) peace | Jan 14 14:47 |
schestowitz | Call the neocon state "USia" | Jan 14 14:48 |
schestowitz | Make it a two-party nation | Jan 14 14:48 |
schestowitz | NRA for the "left" | Jan 14 14:48 |
DaemonFC | Why is it that the Vietnam War was started by a Democrat president? | Jan 14 14:48 |
schestowitz | Let them try to borrow from China to go to oil wars | Jan 14 14:48 |
schestowitz | We'll see how far they get | Jan 14 14:48 |
DaemonFC | Why is Obama expanding the Iraq/Afghanistan thing | Jan 14 14:48 |
schestowitz | Probably holding shotguns at border point, looking for Mexicans ("targets") | Jan 14 14:49 |
DaemonFC | Obama is borrowing money from China to fund oil wars he is expanding | Jan 14 14:49 |
DaemonFC | among all kinds of wasteful "stimulus" boondoggles | Jan 14 14:49 |
trmanco | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzg3OA | Jan 14 14:50 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, There was a political cartoon I saw the other day, had two people living in a box, and Obama trying to sell them some weatherizing strips | Jan 14 14:50 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jan 14 14:50 |
DaemonFC | unemployment is the highest it's been in decades, millions of people losing their homes | Jan 14 14:51 |
cubezzz | because of the banks | Jan 14 14:51 |
DaemonFC | but dammit, we can weatherize them and save 2% on the electric bill | Jan 14 14:51 |
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DaemonFC | Obama and his $790 trillion of borrowed Chinese money | Jan 14 14:51 |
DaemonFC | we should just stop the bullshit and adopt the Yen as our official currency | Jan 14 14:52 |
DaemonFC | we can just spend it in the form of where it all really comes from | Jan 14 14:52 |
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schestowitz | http://schoolofeverything.com/ | Jan 14 14:58 |
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schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8458298.stm | Jan 14 14:58 |
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schestowitz | $790 trillion??? | Jan 14 14:59 |
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schestowitz | Over two million per American soul, including kids? ;-) | Jan 14 15:00 |
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cubezzz | compiled my first module :) | Jan 14 15:04 |
schestowitz | Meh\! http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2010/jan/13/stop-and-search-defence | Jan 14 15:10 |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] People in #emacs are active, helpfull and talkative ;-) | Jan 14 15:15 | |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] suddenly @abbe ping me in #emacs-in and says "zer0c00l: Big brother is watching you .... ;-)" LOL #ftw | Jan 14 15:15 | |
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schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/12/brown_home_access_scheme_national_rollout/ | Jan 14 15:20 |
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schestowitz | "The then schools minister Jim Knight said in January 2009 that Microsoft had created something he described as a “re-investment fund”. The software maker agreed to “commit to fund a foundation in support of the Home Access programme”." | Jan 14 15:20 |
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schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/12/google_docs_does_uploads_for_any_file_type/ | Jan 14 15:25 |
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schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/13/hpc_in_retail_sector/ | Jan 14 15:30 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft #Search is Down in Its Home Country http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/14/microsoft-search-down-in-us/ | Jan 14 15:31 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft -manned #VMware Still Against the #GPL http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/14/relicensing-springsource-dm-server/ | Jan 14 15:37 | |
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satipera | trying again from netbook this time | Jan 14 15:40 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/14/orange_jobs/ | Jan 14 15:41 |
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schestowitz | There's lots of lies in the press this day about economy recovering | Jan 14 15:41 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Former #Microsoft Intern Gives Thumbs-up to #Ubuntu #GNU Linux http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/14/ubuntu-cold-turkey/ | Jan 14 15:42 | |
schestowitz | I wonder who's responsible for this | Jan 14 15:42 |
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trmanco | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzg4MA | Jan 14 15:42 |
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schestowitz | http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/techchron/detail?blogid=19&entry_id=55106 | Jan 14 15:43 |
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trmanco | congrats to mr. Ted | Jan 14 15:43 |
satipera | Ref net neutrality. I had a rep from talk talk contact me today who said that if I signed up for their "pro" tarrif although I would bve sharing a line with others (as is normal) my traffic would be given priority, is this legal? | Jan 14 15:43 |
schestowitz | Manchester to gain fibre network http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8455284.stm | Jan 14 15:45 |
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schestowitz | Nice. | Jan 14 15:45 |
schestowitz | trmanco: which one? | Jan 14 15:46 |
trmanco | which one what?= | Jan 14 15:46 |
schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1586138/google-tightens-gmail-security | Jan 14 15:47 |
schestowitz | Ted | Jan 14 15:47 |
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schestowitz | Tso? | Jan 14 15:47 |
schestowitz | Father Ted? | Jan 14 15:47 |
schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/186734/windwos_office_for_rent.html?tk=rss_news | Jan 14 15:48 |
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trmanco | yes | Jan 14 15:49 |
trmanco | Tso | Jan 14 15:49 |
trmanco | the ext4 fs kernel hacker | Jan 14 15:49 |
rnb | good morning all | Jan 14 15:52 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] British MEP Responds to #Microsoft Lobby Against #EIFv2 http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/14/bsa-and-visible-technologies-do-evil/ | Jan 14 15:53 | |
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rnb | oh i'm so sick of hearing google preach about china | Jan 14 15:55 |
rnb | i dont know which is worse | Jan 14 15:56 |
rnb | the hypocritical snobs at google or the complacent media that lets them turn a huge security lapse into a moral stand that never seemed to bother them before | Jan 14 15:56 |
schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/186846/realnetworks_founder_to_step_down.html?tk=rss_news | Jan 14 15:58 |
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schestowitz | trmanco: what's with him? | Jan 14 15:58 |
schestowitz | rnb: yes, it flooded the news | Jan 14 15:59 |
schestowitz | It's a Windows flaw | Jan 14 15:59 |
schestowitz | I'm gonna write about it | Jan 14 15:59 |
schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/186873/Google_Moves_Gmail_to_More_Secure_HTTPS_Service.html?tk=rss_news | Jan 14 16:00 |
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FurnaceBoy | rnb++ | Jan 14 16:00 |
rnb | aghghg google security | Jan 14 16:01 |
schestowitz | Bl000dy hell | Jan 14 16:01 |
schestowitz | In PC world, like 1 in 10 articles is about China-GOogle | Jan 14 16:01 |
schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/186881/china_emphasizes_laws_as_google_defie | Jan 14 16:01 |
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schestowitz | Who give a -? | Jan 14 16:01 |
rnb | i know at least 5 sysadmins living in crappy corporate apartments and making $80k a year at google who would happily give up someone's email for a couple 8-balls | Jan 14 16:01 |
rnb | and i see that this vivek kundra has encouraged DOD officials to use gmail for government services? | Jan 14 16:02 |
FurnaceBoy | haha | Jan 14 16:02 |
schestowitz | :-) | Jan 14 16:03 |
schestowitz | Web 2 Oh!!!CLOUD!!! | Jan 14 16:03 |
rnb | i know SPAM COMPANIES who run their own internal email servers just so they can keep their offer partners a secret | Jan 14 16:03 |
trmanco | he is going to work for google | Jan 14 16:03 |
FurnaceBoy | "We don't DO evil! We just ENABLE evil!" | Jan 14 16:03 |
schestowitz | trmanco: that's OK | Jan 14 16:03 |
rnb | i hate google | Jan 14 16:03 |
rnb | i hate the DOD | Jan 14 16:03 |
schestowitz | IBM was no great place, either | Jan 14 16:03 |
schestowitz | DOD uses some Linux (Red Hat) | Jan 14 16:04 |
schestowitz | DODO | Jan 14 16:04 |
rnb | hell, IBM sold death counting machines to the fkn nazis | Jan 14 16:04 |
schestowitz | IBM defends software patents | Jan 14 16:04 |
trmanco | improve ext4 for performance, something that it's been losing with all these kernel releases... | Jan 14 16:04 |
schestowitz | They are also arrogant at IBM | Jan 14 16:04 |
rnb | i am abandoning the west and i'm going to devote myself to the chinese-latin america communist bloc | Jan 14 16:05 |
schestowitz | I never thought about it quite that way, but Google breach turned into polical blame game. http://www.techworld.com.au/article/332388/cost_google_pulling_china?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1 | Jan 14 16:05 |
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rnb | pfft, google would have never made this moral stand if that breach hadnt happened | Jan 14 16:06 |
schestowitz | rnb: why not just improve where you are? | Jan 14 16:06 |
schestowitz | Here's the thing: | Jan 14 16:06 |
schestowitz | Other countries don't need 'you' | Jan 14 16:06 |
rnb | where i am is in the world! | Jan 14 16:06 |
schestowitz | They are mostly overpopulated | Jan 14 16:06 |
schestowitz | They do need some skilled people | Jan 14 16:07 |
schestowitz | Like teachers or researchers | Jan 14 16:07 |
schestowitz | But that misses the point | Jan 14 16:07 |
schestowitz | Would you not rather fix where you are? | Jan 14 16:07 |
rnb | where i am is the planet earth! | Jan 14 16:07 |
schestowitz | rnb: Google powwow" | Jan 14 16:07 |
schestowitz | "hey, Eric, we got ownd, man!!" | Jan 14 16:07 |
schestowitz | Eric: "Quick, Sergei, hit the alarm!" | Jan 14 16:07 |
schestowitz | Larry: "we need to brainstorm" | Jan 14 16:08 |
schestowitz | Eric: "could we send Marrisa to flirt with the public?" | Jan 14 16:08 |
rnb | schestowitz: dont say "white board" .. i might go insane | Jan 14 16:08 |
schestowitz | Sergei: "no, no....... is business" | Jan 14 16:08 |
schestowitz | Larry: "how about we fake a distraction" | Jan 14 16:08 |
schestowitz | Eric: "I like..." | Jan 14 16:08 |
rnb | meanwhile, you know google forces its employees to sit and listen to neo-fascist weirdos like thomas friedman all the time | Jan 14 16:09 |
schestowitz | Larry: "Eric, call Drammund [spelling], make him carefully write a blog item." | Jan 14 16:09 |
rnb | in their "employee lecture series" | Jan 14 16:09 |
rnb | plus everyone i know who works at google is such a fkn snob | Jan 14 16:09 |
schestowitz | Sergei: "yeah, and make sure you have PR people parse through it first to make it lookm good. oH, and call senator Clinton to do her usual anti-China thing" | Jan 14 16:10 |
cubezzz | those google founders are very rich | Jan 14 16:10 |
cubezzz | everyone got rich except Stallman | Jan 14 16:11 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody At the top of the tallest building in the world - http://bit.ly/7nKeLk insane project, stunning views #dubai #pix | Jan 14 16:11 | |
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schestowitz | RMS mailed me today | Jan 14 16:11 |
cubezzz | really? | Jan 14 16:11 |
schestowitz | Yeah | Jan 14 16:11 |
cubezzz | so what's up? :) | Jan 14 16:12 |
schestowitz | http://www.techworld.com.au/article/332400/google_gaining_baidu_china_search_market?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1 | Jan 14 16:12 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Testing patches for http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOnWindows ah, the smell of unspeakable eldritch evil in the morning | Jan 14 16:12 | |
cubezzz | can you talk about it? | Jan 14 16:12 |
schestowitz | No | Jan 14 16:12 |
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rnb | i love the man (rms) but sweet jesus you need a gas mask to go near him | Jan 14 16:12 |
schestowitz | I doubt it | Jan 14 16:12 |
rnb | whatever money he does have needs to be invested in some soap | Jan 14 16:13 |
schestowitz | Why? did you talk to him? Or did the anti-RMS crowd tell you? | Jan 14 16:13 |
cubezzz | Perens sits beside him | Jan 14 16:13 |
schestowitz | rnb: not funny | Jan 14 16:13 |
rnb | schestowitz: why not? | Jan 14 16:13 |
schestowitz | Not true, I suspect | Jan 14 16:13 |
cubezzz | those tower pics are amazing | Jan 14 16:13 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Green Sea Slug Is Part Animal, Part Plant - http://bit.ly/4t86XV makes chlorophyll - why can't we do that trick? | Jan 14 16:14 | |
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schestowitz | He was here in Manchester last year or 2008 | Jan 14 16:14 |
schestowitz | He travels a lot though | Jan 14 16:14 |
schestowitz | What's with hurd sticking in tongue in Steve's? | Jan 14 16:15 |
schestowitz | http://www.techworld.com.au/article/332363/microsoft_hp_ceos_announce_joint_investment?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1 | Jan 14 16:15 |
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schestowitz | HP sickens me for all sorts of reasons, the least of which is the spying on people | Jan 14 16:15 |
schestowitz | There should be rules for suspending rogue companies like MS, Intel, HP | Jan 14 16:16 |
cubezzz | HP doesn't seem to be all that great | Jan 14 16:16 |
schestowitz | Take them off the market for 1 year | Jan 14 16:16 |
schestowitz | See how they like it | Jan 14 16:16 |
cubezzz | ARM is coming... | Jan 14 16:16 |
schestowitz | That will show that governments are in charge, not this amorphous thing called "corporations" | Jan 14 16:16 |
cubezzz | and you can buy from Epson and not HP | Jan 14 16:16 |
schestowitz | A set of private tyrannies appointing their cronies to 'run' the nation | Jan 14 16:17 |
rnb | schestowitz: that doesnt happen in china! | Jan 14 16:17 |
rnb | or cuba | Jan 14 16:17 |
rnb | or venezuela | Jan 14 16:17 |
schestowitz | Arghhh....... the news is polluted by CHina-Google | Jan 14 16:17 |
rnb | or bolivia | Jan 14 16:17 |
schestowitz | News: google cracked for Windows Trojans in people's PCs | Jan 14 16:17 |
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schestowitz | And now it's a pretend-Armageddon | Jan 14 16:18 |
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schestowitz | rnb: they still fight against those who want to dismantle abusive corporations | Jan 14 16:18 |
schestowitz | Inc. overseas ones | Jan 14 16:18 |
schestowitz | Like the United Fruit Company | Jan 14 16:18 |
schestowitz | So even if Bolivia got rid of the oligarchs who try to overthrow a republic, they would still have all sorts of criminal corporations like Monsanto looking for a buck | Jan 14 16:19 |
schestowitz | If fail, then war can be justified somehow... then Haliburton in for the loot :-) | Jan 14 16:20 |
rnb | schestowitz: you must not be following the 21st-century socialist revolution aka the Fifth International | Jan 14 16:20 |
rnb | schestowitz: that kind of thing is being stamped out in latin america | Jan 14 16:20 |
rnb | here's your fkn google for you -> | Jan 14 16:21 |
rnb | http://newsfromrussia.com/world/asia/14-01-2010/111657-google_china-0 | Jan 14 16:21 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @davidgerard Testing patches for http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOnWindows ah, the smell of unspeakable eldritch evil in the morning | Jan 14 16:21 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] New Blog Post: "Ubuntu Boxee and get_iplayer on the Acer Aspire Revo" http://bit.ly/86iGGF | Jan 14 16:21 | |
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schestowitz | I reckon some people already try to figure out how to profit from it | Jan 14 16:22 |
schestowitz | Like some people made a lot of cash from Katrina | Jan 14 16:22 |
rnb | which makes sense, given that thomas friedman is a US govt mole, too | Jan 14 16:22 |
schestowitz | rnb: Matt Cutts was a Sppok | Jan 14 16:22 |
schestowitz | *Spook | Jan 14 16:22 |
schestowitz | rnb: not exactly | Jan 14 16:22 |
schestowitz | They say he's like the Whitehouse/govt 'plug' in the press | Jan 14 16:23 |
schestowitz | NYT and all | Jan 14 16:23 |
schestowitz | The unofficial spokesman | Jan 14 16:23 |
rnb | that's what a mole is! | Jan 14 16:23 |
rnb | whether he's a mole or a plug, he's on my list | Jan 14 16:23 |
rnb | now that's a lecture i'd like to see at google - Thomas Friedman: Mole or Plug? | Jan 14 16:24 |
schestowitz | I think the CIA came to Google /After/ they had become big | Jan 14 16:24 |
schestowitz | Not the opposite | Jan 14 16:24 |
schestowitz | CIA is like the KGB | Jan 14 16:24 |
schestowitz | Only it's "us", not "them" | Jan 14 16:24 |
schestowitz | ANd Bush doctrine proved this | Jan 14 16:24 |
schestowitz | Wiretapping without warrants, planned assassinations, fabrications, etc. | Jan 14 16:24 |
rnb | does it really matter? the point is google is pure evil | Jan 14 16:25 |
schestowitz | The whistle blowers who used to work for the CIA are very sober and informative | Jan 14 16:25 |
schestowitz | rnb: it's useful for my Web searches | Jan 14 16:25 |
schestowitz | I won't touch the thing for other things | Jan 14 16:25 |
rnb | to borrow from his excellency, President Chavez, you can smell sulfur heading down 101 past mountain view | Jan 14 16:26 |
schestowitz | I used it for AdSense before, but the options seemed limited. I now use AdBord, to advance Free software | Jan 14 16:26 |
schestowitz | *Bard | Jan 14 16:26 |
schestowitz | http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/01/11/mars.exploration/index.html | Jan 14 16:27 |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Back track 4 final release available: http://www.backtrack-linux.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/torrent-button.png want to try it :-) | Jan 14 16:28 | |
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schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/nyregion/12ironman.html | Jan 14 16:30 |
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schestowitz | http://www.couponsherpa.com/ask-coupon-sherpa/place-your-bets-40-gut-busing-restaurant-challenges-for-free-food/ | Jan 14 16:30 |
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rnb | in the meantime, as the US press all pat each other on the back for our collective "bold stance" against chinese censorship, | Jan 14 16:31 |
rnb | there's not so much play on the story about how the united states is at war in countries all over the world | Jan 14 16:32 |
rnb | that kind of hurts the "good guy" image, you know? | Jan 14 16:32 |
rnb | NO to search engine censorship, YES to carnage! | Jan 14 16:33 |
schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=5612&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zdnet%2Fopen-source+%28ZDNet+Open+Source%29 "Google’s decision to go public on China’s efforts to control its own Internet, and people, by every means necessary may become Hillary Clinton’s Cuban missile crisis." | Jan 14 16:33 |
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rnb | i saw that zdnet blog | Jan 14 16:34 |
rnb | it's absurd | Jan 14 16:34 |
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rnb | the cuban missile crisis was about nuclear destruction of the world | Jan 14 16:34 |
rnb | http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-01-14/pakistani-taliban-chief-alive-after-missile-attack-kills-13.html | Jan 14 16:35 |
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rnb | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8458806.stm | Jan 14 16:36 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Waft of perfume around the office just reminded me of an ex-girlfriend from 13 years ago. Isn't the brain a magic thing. | Jan 14 16:36 | |
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rnb | er, that was: Suicide bombing kills 20 in Afghanistan market | Jan 14 16:36 |
rnb | http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16962 | Jan 14 16:37 |
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schestowitz | What if Gogle did StreetView in China using tasks with 4 cameras? | Jan 14 16:38 |
rnb | with all this bombing people to little pieces and military expansion, i think what's most important is that in the US, you are free to search for anything so that it can be catalogued and provided to the DHS so they can spy on dissidents | Jan 14 16:38 |
cubezzz2 | http://ostatic.com/blog/richard-stallman-on-gpl-exceptions | Jan 14 16:39 |
schestowitz | Not just that | Jan 14 16:39 |
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schestowitz | They can use evidence proactively | Jan 14 16:40 |
schestowitz | If you do something they don't like they get to check your (g)mail, browsing history (pagerank/Analytics), search phrases, etc. | Jan 14 16:40 |
schestowitz | If they know you did something wrong, they have extortion/imprisonment powers over you | Jan 14 16:41 |
rnb | certainly | Jan 14 16:41 |
schestowitz | That's why privacy is considered important | Jan 14 16:41 |
schestowitz | WW2 | Jan 14 16:41 |
schestowitz | ANother method is illegalising of everything | Jan 14 16:41 |
schestowitz | It makes everyone a criminak | Jan 14 16:41 |
schestowitz | Things like jaywalking | Jan 14 16:41 |
schestowitz | Or downloading of some tune | Jan 14 16:42 |
schestowitz | When you are labelled "criminal", you are at someone else's mercy/ control | Jan 14 16:42 |
schestowitz | That's how academics get silenced | Jan 14 16:43 |
schestowitz | Not for their views | Jan 14 16:43 |
schestowitz | If you want to get rid of them, you'll find some other axcuse | Jan 14 16:43 |
schestowitz | You can't discharge for free expression | Jan 14 16:43 |
cubezzz2 | no one can silence me :) | Jan 14 16:43 |
schestowitz | You can come up with other excuses | Jan 14 16:43 |
schestowitz | Same with reporters, politicians (impeachment), eyc. | Jan 14 16:43 |
rnb | dont worry, we're going to stop them! | Jan 14 16:45 |
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rnb | schestowitz: maybe the govt support DID come early for google | Jan 14 16:52 |
rnb | http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2006/061206seedmoney.htm | Jan 14 16:52 |
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rnb | http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2010/01/201011402229686845.html | Jan 14 17:00 |
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rnb | highest war budget ever! so thats ... a KIND of change, right? | Jan 14 17:01 |
schestowitz | Hmmmmmm.. plagiarism? http://www.unixmen.com/news-today/708-openofficeorg-in-internet-cafes-threat-to-microsoft | Jan 14 17:03 |
schestowitz | http://www.mealldubh.org/index.php/2010/01/12/openoffice-org-in-internet-cafes-threat-to-microsoft/ | Jan 14 17:04 |
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rnb | speaking of censorship ... Iraq war veteran arrested over rap song | Jan 14 17:04 |
schestowitz | rnb: it's the Jones echo chamber | Jan 14 17:04 |
schestowitz | Not reliable | Jan 14 17:04 |
rnb | In a statement from jail he said the song was "just hip-hop" and a "free expression of how people feel about the army and its stop-loss policy." | Jan 14 17:04 |
schestowitz | The story I know if that Google relatives helped fund them | Jan 14 17:04 |
schestowitz | Then there was VC | Jan 14 17:04 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Slashdot submission on China attacking Google: http://is.gd/6ghua | Jan 14 17:05 | |
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schestowitz | rnb: I posted that Obama link yesterday | Jan 14 17:05 |
schestowitz | "We've always been in war [with] [*]" | Jan 14 17:05 |
rnb | schestowitz: yes, people should realize their credibility is hurt by being associated with alex jones | Jan 14 17:05 |
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schestowitz | There's a bigger problem here | Jan 14 17:07 |
schestowitz | There's polluters of information | Jan 14 17:07 |
schestowitz | THose who hijack something, then distort it and dismiss it | Jan 14 17:07 |
schestowitz | A friend of mind reckons Jones could be set up by the secret services (crazy, I know) to damage real information | Jan 14 17:08 |
schestowitz | Think of it that way: | Jan 14 17:08 |
schestowitz | You take some hot story | Jan 14 17:08 |
schestowitz | SOemthing that's a blow to the perpetrators | Jan 14 17:08 |
schestowitz | You put it in the hands of nutcases | Jan 14 17:08 |
schestowitz | And then eternally it gets associated with them | Jan 14 17:08 |
schestowitz | So nobody bothers | Jan 14 17:08 |
rnb | eh, but what's a "hot story" anymore? | Jan 14 17:10 |
schestowitz | Dunno | Jan 14 17:10 |
rnb | nobody cares | Jan 14 17:10 |
rnb | the US runs secret concentration camps all over the world where they torture people | Jan 14 17:10 |
rnb | after kidnapping them without cause | Jan 14 17:10 |
rnb | no one cares | Jan 14 17:11 |
rnb | ... as an example | Jan 14 17:11 |
schestowitz | I got a critic: "Also, interestingly, from a link on the Xconomy piece I found this blog post which has some pretty negative things to say about social media monitoring in general. Food for thought, but I don’t agree with the writer. Social media monitoring has its place in our newly interconnected world and if it brings up problems like “hounding” or “silencing” of critics, well, then that’s a different problem to so | Jan 14 17:17 |
schestowitz | http://thepursuitofalife.com/visible-technologies-pockets-overfloweth-with-benjamins/ | Jan 14 17:18 |
schestowitz | Any relation to the company? | Jan 14 17:18 |
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schestowitz | rnb: they are not concentration camps | Jan 14 17:18 |
schestowitz | That's the BS from Jones | Jan 14 17:18 |
schestowitz | They are torture chambers | Jan 14 17:18 |
schestowitz | Like the one discovered recently in Ukraine (IIRC) under some horse-riding school | Jan 14 17:18 |
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schestowitz | It saves them time and fuel when interrogating and it's probably illegal, but hey... Bush and chums never cared about the law | Jan 14 17:19 |
schestowitz | It's like, "it's nice to obey the law, but we don't have to" | Jan 14 17:19 |
schestowitz | :-) | Jan 14 17:19 |
schestowitz | The Google Yo! conference is coming http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Registration-opens-for-Google-I-O-2010-903866.html | Jan 14 17:21 |
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schestowitz | Maybe they'll do the same as in MIT /sarcasm | Jan 14 17:21 |
schestowitz | Recruitment for the CIA /sarcasm | Jan 14 17:21 |
schestowitz | http://thepursuitofalife.com/social-media-club-seattle-kickoff-recap/ | Jan 14 17:24 |
schestowitz | "On Tuesday night I attended the kickoff event for the Social Media Club Seattle, sponsored by Visible Technologies and the Spring Creek Group. " | Jan 14 17:24 |
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schestowitz | rnb: There's the two extremes; people who believe everything they see on TV and those who believe anything in YouTUbe | Jan 14 17:27 |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] how about some e-newspapers now huh?http://bit.ly/5ICAQE | Jan 14 17:33 | |
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rnb_ | schestowitz: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/concentration+camp | Jan 14 17:45 |
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rnb_ | "a guarded compound for the detention or imprisonment of aliens, members of ethnic minorities, political opponents, etc.," | Jan 14 17:46 |
rnb_ | Origin: 1900–05, applied orig. to camps where noncombatants were placed during the Boer War | Jan 14 17:46 |
rnb_ | http://www.thefreedictionary.com/concentration+camp | Jan 14 17:46 |
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rnb_ | "A camp where civilians, enemy aliens, political prisoners, and sometimes prisoners of war are detained and confined, typically under harsh conditions." | Jan 14 17:46 |
rnb_ | The prison at Bagram Airfield, Gitmo and the secret extraordinary rendition sites are concentration camps | Jan 14 17:48 |
rnb_ | At least in the 60s and 70s, there were people in the US who cared enough to do something about the butcher policies of the united states | Jan 14 17:51 |
rnb_ | in the 21st century, most people in the US could give a shit that it's happening at all, let alone do something about it | Jan 14 17:52 |
rnb_ | it's a disgrace | Jan 14 17:52 |
rnb_ | and i blame every US citizen in a comfortable economic position who does nothing about it | Jan 14 17:53 |
schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-01-14-009-35-NW-CD-NV-0000 "After all this time MathFox is no longer shown as being the Groklaw webmaster. Was there a announcement about this which I have missed? Anyway, thanks MathFox." | Jan 14 17:57 |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Ballmer celebrates 10th anniversary as Dark Lord of the Sith http://ur1.ca/jtpx #microsoft #douchebag | Jan 14 17:58 | |
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schestowitz | rnb_: so would you classify Guantanamo as that? | Jan 14 17:58 |
schestowitz | It's a prison/interrogation facility not for opposing polical views or religion | Jan 14 17:59 |
rnb_ | schestowitz: it seems to meet the definition | Jan 14 17:59 |
schestowitz | Loosely | Jan 14 17:59 |
schestowitz | But I never saw it referred to in such a way | Jan 14 17:59 |
schestowitz | There are charges against these people | Jan 14 17:59 |
schestowitz | No convictions, but charges | Jan 14 17:59 |
rnb_ | schestowitz: that's not true | Jan 14 17:59 |
schestowitz | Allegations? | Jan 14 17:59 |
rnb_ | schestowitz: not even.. | Jan 14 18:00 |
rnb_ | schestowitz: hell, the first batch of them were just random people sold to the US by the northern alliance | Jan 14 18:00 |
rnb_ | schestowitz: there are all kinds of stories of people who were released after 6 or 7 years without ever knowing why they were there | Jan 14 18:00 |
neighborlee | rnb_: it doesn't make much sense to blame so many, when one preson, ex president bush was in charge of making the u.s.a look bad, on HIS watch..obama is trying to clean it up, though he's had constant push back from republicans | Jan 14 18:01 |
neighborlee | rnb_: you can also blame ex vice prez cheney for the 'torture' stuff if thats another thing your concerne about..which is now illegal under obama | Jan 14 18:02 |
rnb_ | neighborlee: oh come on, the US has been at war under every president since FDR (and, really, for long before that) | Jan 14 18:02 |
schestowitz | neighborlee: he hasn't shut down those facilities yet | Jan 14 18:02 |
neighborlee | well good luck on changing the whole war scenario..many countries fall prey to that ideology | Jan 14 18:03 |
schestowitz | He also expands some wars and strikes in Yemen | Jan 14 18:03 |
neighborlee | schestowitz: I didn't say he had roy | Jan 14 18:03 |
neighborlee | I said he's working on it | Jan 14 18:03 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Arbitron Study Finds #SiriusXM Listenership Up http://ur1.ca/jtqi | Jan 14 18:03 | |
rnb_ | obama has not ended the extraordinary rendition program | Jan 14 18:03 |
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neighborlee | bush made a mess... such things take 'time' to deal with ;) | Jan 14 18:03 |
rnb_ | he EXPANDED funding for the Bagram prison | Jan 14 18:03 |
schestowitz | Guatanamo might only MAKE terrorists | Jan 14 18:03 |
Diablo-D3 | ENOUGH. | Jan 14 18:03 |
schestowitz | Imagine being locked up as innocent for so long | Jan 14 18:03 |
Diablo-D3 | Can't we leave politics out of this channel? | Jan 14 18:04 |
neighborlee | LOL | Jan 14 18:04 |
Diablo-D3 | Microsoft hate only, goddamnit. | Jan 14 18:04 |
rnb_ | Diablo-D3: "Communication about anything" it says ... | Jan 14 18:04 |
rnb_ | we need google to come here and save us from this censorship!! | Jan 14 18:04 |
Diablo-D3 | Yes, and I'm sawing Roy's foot off and putting it down | Jan 14 18:04 |
neighborlee | politics are in many arenas.if it bothers you so much leave the channel ;) | Jan 14 18:04 |
schestowitz | Ouch. | Jan 14 18:04 |
Diablo-D3 | no more politics! | Jan 14 18:04 |
rnb_ | it isnt "politics" | Jan 14 18:04 |
Diablo-D3 | this isnt ##republican! | Jan 14 18:04 |
rnb_ | it's just life | Jan 14 18:05 |
neighborlee | their are ramifications in many areas for politics,. | Jan 14 18:05 |
rnb_ | it's what is going on in the world | Jan 14 18:05 |
schestowitz | For s/w | Jan 14 18:05 |
schestowitz | I can't separate them | Jan 14 18:05 |
schestowitz | Same with copyright | Jan 14 18:05 |
Diablo-D3 | rnb_: yes, and I dont care whats going on in the world | Jan 14 18:05 |
Diablo-D3 | a) we cant blame Obama for Congress's problems | Jan 14 18:05 |
schestowitz | Copyright>politics>patents>software>copyright>politics... | Jan 14 18:05 |
schestowitz | Obama is a good spokesperson | Jan 14 18:05 |
schestowitz | I like Obama given what he can achieve | Jan 14 18:06 |
rnb_ | Diablo-D3: well then go stuff your face back in a bag of doritos and wait for your next WoW session | Jan 14 18:06 |
neighborlee | rnb is right. TOPIC says: 'communication about anything , blah>blah ' ,,so get over it | Jan 14 18:06 |
Diablo-D3 | b) I dont see any of you writing to your Governors asking them to recall your Congressmen | Jan 14 18:06 |
schestowitz | His sidekick, Biden, is a shark just like CHeney | Jan 14 18:06 |
rnb_ | Diablo-D3: some of us are trying to talk about what's going on | Jan 14 18:06 |
neighborlee | if you can't take the heat,,get out of kitchen I guess ? | Jan 14 18:06 |
schestowitz | He also supported those wars of Bush BTW | Jan 14 18:06 |
Diablo-D3 | c) Politics _still_ isnt pro-Foss! | Jan 14 18:06 |
Diablo-D3 | rnb_: I dont play wow, fag | Jan 14 18:06 |
schestowitz | And he's a shill for the industry that ran their campaign, including banks | Jan 14 18:06 |
neighborlee | Diablo-D3: what lovely ignorant rhetoric. | Jan 14 18:06 |
rnb_ | Diablo-D3: haha, but i nailed it on the doritos? | Jan 14 18:06 |
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schestowitz | Diablo-D3: it's not about FOSS | Jan 14 18:07 |
schestowitz | It's about Free(dom) software | Jan 14 18:07 |
neighborlee | Diablo-D3: your sounding like our mono suppoorting buddies now.. | Jan 14 18:07 |
Diablo-D3 | rnb_: nope, I seem to be out. | Jan 14 18:07 |
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Diablo-D3 | I must rectify this. | Jan 14 18:07 |
schestowitz | Hehe | Jan 14 18:07 |
schestowitz | Rectify self | Jan 14 18:07 |
neighborlee | LOL | Jan 14 18:07 |
neighborlee | amen | Jan 14 18:07 |
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neighborlee | ROFL | Jan 14 18:07 |
rnb_ | anyways, this is another reason i'm sick of the US (assuming Diablo-D3 is from the US) | Jan 14 18:07 |
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Diablo-D3 | rnb_: you cant be sick of the US | Jan 14 18:08 |
Diablo-D3 | well, you have to get in line behind me | Jan 14 18:08 |
rnb_ | you can never talk about things going on | Jan 14 18:08 |
rnb_ | because its "politics" and it's taboo to "talk politics" | Jan 14 18:08 |
Diablo-D3 | but its a tad fucking much that almost every channel Im in | Jan 14 18:08 |
Diablo-D3 | its US politics | Jan 14 18:08 |
schestowitz | It matters | Jan 14 18:08 |
Diablo-D3 | it doesnt matter! | Jan 14 18:08 |
schestowitz | It impacts the jobs market for example | Jan 14 18:08 |
Diablo-D3 | I dont see any of you running for office! | Jan 14 18:08 |
schestowitz | Deregulation and fraud | Jan 14 18:09 |
schestowitz | And TBH, it's mostly the US banking system | Jan 14 18:09 |
neighborlee | I write my senators on a regular basis | Jan 14 18:09 |
schestowitz | Not only, but mostly | Jan 14 18:09 |
neighborlee | so yeah, I am runnig for office in a manner of speaking | Jan 14 18:09 |
Diablo-D3 | neighborlee: _become_ a senator! | Jan 14 18:09 |
schestowitz | Deutsche Bank too | Jan 14 18:09 |
schestowitz | And UK banks | Jan 14 18:09 |
Diablo-D3 | why let a douchebag represent you on the federal scale! | Jan 14 18:09 |
neighborlee | we all are, when we 'engage' in 'politics' ;) | Jan 14 18:09 |
Diablo-D3 | represent yourself directly! | Jan 14 18:09 |
rnb_ | Diablo-D3: it mattered to me when my lifelong friend got blown up by a US bomb | Jan 14 18:09 |
schestowitz | They were inspired by the West's model | Jan 14 18:09 |
Diablo-D3 | rnb_: dont like it? sue bush! | Jan 14 18:09 |
Diablo-D3 | I wish someone would! | Jan 14 18:09 |
schestowitz | They tried | Jan 14 18:10 |
neighborlee | rnb_: sorry to hear that | Jan 14 18:10 |
rnb_ | Diablo-D3: it mattered to me when a colleague was shot in the head by a PRIista thug | Jan 14 18:10 |
schestowitz | Bush would laugh... | Jan 14 18:10 |
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rnb_ | Diablo-D3: and on and on and on | Jan 14 18:10 |
Diablo-D3 | Bush is a terrorist by his own definition | Jan 14 18:10 |
neighborlee | rnb_: where did it happen and under what circumstances | Jan 14 18:10 |
Diablo-D3 | Dont like it? Run for office! | Jan 14 18:10 |
schestowitz | Hehe. | Jan 14 18:10 |
schestowitz | Who will pay? | Jan 14 18:10 |
Diablo-D3 | And when I get old enough to run, I will be. | Jan 14 18:10 |
schestowitz | And who will shut up the critics? | Jan 14 18:11 |
rnb_ | neighborlee: my lifelong friend got blown up in bethlehem | Jan 14 18:11 |
schestowitz | It's all just multi0-billion-dolllar PR team | Jan 14 18:11 |
rnb_ | neighborlee: a colleague of mine got shot in the head in oaxaca, mexico | Jan 14 18:11 |
schestowitz | The election for office at a national level is a contest between PR teams with groomed people | Jan 14 18:11 |
rnb_ | neighborlee: but i can go on for a while.. i worked on some projects for a long time in the middle east and half of my family is from latin america | Jan 14 18:12 |
neighborlee | schestowitz: yeah im a tad unimpressed with obama atm,,he DID support health care reform public option and denied it lately...not real smart | Jan 14 18:12 |
rnb_ | neighborlee: where they lived under a US-supportd military dictatorship until 1985 | Jan 14 18:13 |
neighborlee | schestowitz: I wanna see how he cleans up that one | Jan 14 18:13 |
neighborlee | mia culpa :) | Jan 14 18:13 |
rnb_ | but again, this is why being in the US is so annoying | Jan 14 18:13 |
neighborlee | rnb_: yeah sadly mideast is a rough topic ;( | Jan 14 18:14 |
neighborlee | on many many fronts | Jan 14 18:14 |
rnb_ | not only are people in the US complicit in what's going on but they never want to talk about it and they certainly dont want to ever do anything about it | Jan 14 18:14 |
Diablo-D3 | as a side note | Jan 14 18:15 |
Diablo-D3 | if all of you now want to bitch about the chinese government | Jan 14 18:15 |
Diablo-D3 | this is 100% acceptable politics discussion | Jan 14 18:15 |
neighborlee | rnb_: not everyone is complicit btw ;) | Jan 14 18:15 |
neighborlee | rnb_: your broad brush is just as complicit as the actions of the usa in certain mideast areas ;) | Jan 14 18:16 |
schestowitz | [18:12] <neighborlee> schestowitz: yeah im a tad unimpressed with obama atm,,he DID support health care reform public option and denied it lately...not real smart | Jan 14 18:16 |
schestowitz | The insurance companies funded him | Jan 14 18:16 |
neighborlee | yes roy ? | Jan 14 18:16 |
schestowitz | $20 million | Jan 14 18:16 |
neighborlee | yes I know | Jan 14 18:16 |
schestowitz | I found out yesterday | Jan 14 18:17 |
neighborlee | yeah | Jan 14 18:17 |
Diablo-D3 | btw, I wish people would understand how this works | Jan 14 18:17 |
Diablo-D3 | _Congress_ is the ones who make these bills upo | Jan 14 18:17 |
Diablo-D3 | Dont like the health care bill? Tell Congress to go fuck itself | Jan 14 18:17 |
rnb_ | neighborlee: people who do something about it are few and far between | Jan 14 18:17 |
Diablo-D3 | Dont blame Obama, he didnt write it | Jan 14 18:17 |
neighborlee | I have been telling congress :) | Jan 14 18:17 |
rnb_ | neighborlee: in the US, at least | Jan 14 18:17 |
neighborlee | as if its going to help | Jan 14 18:17 |
neighborlee | unless millions more join me ;) | Jan 14 18:17 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Chinese Government itself hacked #Google http://ur1.ca/jtrb | Jan 14 18:18 | |
rnb_ | in the 60s & 70s, at least there were a ton of people who devoted their life to these issues | Jan 14 18:18 |
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Diablo-D3 | neighborlee: then run for office | Jan 14 18:18 |
Diablo-D3 | and tell your governor to recall them | Jan 14 18:18 |
Diablo-D3 | its time for a special election | Jan 14 18:18 |
rnb_ | Diablo-D3: republican democracy in the US is a fraud.. that's not going to help | Jan 14 18:19 |
neighborlee | rnb_: the jewish lobby is also huge remember,,its not a simple problem im afraid...the feel threateend and they're putting money with their mouth is to get what they want atm...both sides are guilty of something that much is very clear :(,,,now we have to worry about iran as if that was surprising | Jan 14 18:19 |
Diablo-D3 | rnb_: if everybody stopped voting for the criminals, they'd have no control | Jan 14 18:19 |
neighborlee | its good idea in theory definitely | Jan 14 18:20 |
Diablo-D3 | Its what our founding fathers demand of us. | Jan 14 18:20 |
schestowitz | http://blog.nixternal.com/2010.01.14/ubuntu-chicago-files-chapter-13/ | Jan 14 18:20 |
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rnb_ | Diablo-D3: except that ballot fraud is so rampant, it doesnt really matter who votes for who | Jan 14 18:20 |
neighborlee | my friend always goes ON and ON about such things, but as much as I tell him to GET involved and tell someone who gives a damn not just yell at me about it,,he never does all he wants to do is play games on his PC ;) | Jan 14 18:20 |
Diablo-D3 | rnb_: except when you have no one voting for the bad guy, and the bad guy wins, he gets lynched | Jan 14 18:20 |
rnb_ | Diablo-D3: now YOU'RE talking about "politics" | Jan 14 18:21 |
neighborlee | :) | Jan 14 18:21 |
Diablo-D3 | No, I'm basically telling you to stfu in a complex way. | Jan 14 18:21 |
neighborlee | roy is the one you should tell to STUFU not rnb_,,its roys topic you dont like atm , not rhbs right to execize it ;) | Jan 14 18:21 |
rnb_ | Diablo-D3: i know it's complex for you | Jan 14 18:21 |
Diablo-D3 | neighborlee: roy never listens anyhow | Jan 14 18:22 |
rnb_ | Diablo-D3: but, it's not | Jan 14 18:22 |
rnb_ | anyway, i gotta go.. ateh breve, todos | Jan 14 18:25 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Kroes said Commission made a deal with Microsoft about patent last week, I need to clip that part of the video #swpat http://i5.be/aiU | Jan 14 18:38 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Kroes was quite clueless about software patentsand UPLS, she was favouring interoperability exeption: http://i5.be/aiU | Jan 14 18:39 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Kroes was quite clueless about software patents and UPLS, she was favouring interoperability exeption: http://i5.be/aiU | Jan 14 19:02 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Plenty of stuff about ACTA in the video recordings of Kroes: http://i5.be/aiU | Jan 14 19:04 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Plenty of questions about net neutrality in the video recordings of Kroes: http://i5.be/aiU | Jan 14 19:05 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] YouTube Revamp Imminent? HTML5 & free formats top the list so there's a hope yet http://tinyurl.com/yg9onve | Jan 14 20:02 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Kodak becoming a patent troll, suing RIM and Apple over photo thumbnails, was suing Sun for Java before for 1 Billion: http://i5.be/ai0 | Jan 14 20:11 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] ahh, discussing the movie is the discussion....maybe I shoulda listened more before denting lol | Jan 14 20:13 | |
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schestowitz | _goblin: wwe? | Jan 14 21:03 |
_goblin | World Wrestling Entertainment | Jan 14 21:04 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | its very quite here today | Jan 14 21:20 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I was looking at Ebay the other day, here in the USA | Jan 14 21:21 |
Chips_B_Malroy | for the ARM smartbooks | Jan 14 21:21 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Harmony of #GNU #Linux and #Television http://ur1.ca/ju66 http://ur1.ca/ju67 | Jan 14 21:22 | |
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Chips_B_Malroy | anyway, Ebay called them Ultra Mobile PC (UMPC) | Jan 14 21:23 |
Chips_B_Malroy | not smartbooks | Jan 14 21:23 |
Chips_B_Malroy | http://computers.shop.ebay.com/PC-Laptops-Netbooks-/177/i.html?Type=Ultra%2520Mobile%2520PC%2520%2528UMPC%2529&_catref=1&_dmpt=Laptops_Nov05&_fln=1&_ssov=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m282 | Jan 14 21:23 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | Anyway, I hate to be a naysayer, and maybe (I hope) its only in the US, that M$ is putting WindowsCE on all these devices | Jan 14 21:24 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Theodore Ts'o Moves Away from Big Blue to Help Big G http://ur1.ca/ju6j http://ur1.ca/ju6k | Jan 14 21:25 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenGL 3 Comes to #Mesa in #Linux #Graphics Stack http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzg3OQ | Jan 14 21:25 | |
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Chips_B_Malroy | looking through Ebay, I found these smartbooks, as well as a mips, via chipsets, with windowsCE on them, from versions 3.0, 5.0, and 6.0 | Jan 14 21:26 |
Chips_B_Malroy | now this was a couple of nights ago I did this search | Jan 14 21:26 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I know its early yet, for ARM, but what is on Ebay, at least for me, is mostly still junk, and even worse if it comes with WindowsCE | Jan 14 21:28 |
Chips_B_Malroy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows_CE | Jan 14 21:28 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | My point is, that WindowsCE and WinMo, (winmo7) might be developing not so much for phones, but for ARM, Mips Smartbooks | Jan 14 21:30 |
MinceR | it's being developed? :> | Jan 14 21:31 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Also, its possible that MS is using CE on Smartbooks the same way that strongarmed US OEM venders to put XP home on Netbooks. | Jan 14 21:31 |
Chips_B_Malroy | While MS might not make much, or even lose money doing this, it still protects the monopoly in the USA, which is a base of money to them. Being a richer country, (at least for now) that is in their clutches. | Jan 14 21:33 |
tessier | Anyone remember that super creepy pic of Steve Ballmer looking up at the camera? I think it was a shot for some magazine. He looked just like Uncle Fester. | Jan 14 21:34 |
tessier | I can't find that one anywhere now. | Jan 14 21:34 |
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tessier | http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2320/1623168343_60f1be1163.jpg He is giddy in anticipation of getting more of your money... | Jan 14 21:36 |
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_goblin | tessier: Was it one of these I featured in my article? http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/07/05/a-facebook-of-ballmer-kiss-audition/ | Jan 14 21:36 |
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tessier | No, that's not it... | Jan 14 21:37 |
_goblin | you've got me interested....I need some more pics for Ballmers facebook. | Jan 14 21:38 |
_goblin | my favorite at the moment is KISS impression Ballmer | Jan 14 21:38 |
Chips_B_Malroy | seen a picture of him at CES, Ballmer looked really old, tired, and bored | Jan 14 21:39 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of the #Linux -powered Plug Computer (Ionics 3.0) http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/index.cfm?reviewid=3210140 | Jan 14 21:41 | |
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Chips_B_Malroy | any comment on the only reason for M$ to continue with WinMo7 is not for phones, but for Smartbooks, as a way to keep linux and Chrome off them? | Jan 14 21:41 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux (Android) Comes to Education, #TMobile to Sell Linux Tablets http://ur1.ca/ju7u http://ur1.ca/ju7v | Jan 14 21:42 | |
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Chips_B_Malroy | Even Ballmer must know that WinMo is never going win back the smartphones | Jan 14 21:42 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Drives Home Phones from #Motorola , Shows Gains (Under "Android") http://ur1.ca/ju82 http://ur1.ca/ju83 | Jan 14 21:43 | |
Chips_B_Malroy | plus there is no money there for them | Jan 14 21:43 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | The other thing I noticed, about these junk smartbooks on ebay is the lack of resources they have | Jan 14 21:44 |
Chips_B_Malroy | some with only 32mb of ram | Jan 14 21:45 |
Chips_B_Malroy | running windowsCe 3.0 | Jan 14 21:45 |
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_goblin | Anyone here heard of Club Bing before? It was new on me.....talk about hard sell....and guess what "prizes to be won" "gifts to be had"..... | Jan 14 21:48 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Ok, people, carry on, need to go and print a rebate coupon, ugh | Jan 14 21:48 |
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_goblin | Quote "Every game is powered by Bing, so here you play, Search and win!" - I wonder if this tot adds to the stats Bing is pimping as its market share. | Jan 14 21:49 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Damn, Seanbaby can make sport writing good. http://is.gd/6hbJr | Jan 14 22:04 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Worst Life Ever: The Story of Kazuyuki Fujita's Skull | Cracked.com .::. Size~: 78.29 KB | Jan 14 22:04 |
trmanco | omg | Jan 14 22:13 |
trmanco | facebook's web results are powered by bing0 | Jan 14 22:13 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FogComputing Done with #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/ju8s http://ur1.ca/ju8t http://ur1.ca/ju8u | Jan 14 22:16 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Twitter for Teams: Teambox Launches Web-Based Collaboration Tool .::. Size~: 51.92 KB | Jan 14 22:16 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Sun marries Hadoop to Grid Engine • The Register .::. Size~: 33.51 KB | Jan 14 22:16 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Interview with Rich Wolski Eucalyptus CTO .::. Size~: 83.81 KB | Jan 14 22:16 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla Speaks About Plans to Make #Firefox Very Fast http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/14/beltzner_on_firefox_3_dot_6/ | Jan 14 22:17 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Richard Stallman Bends Licensing to Support Business http://ur1.ca/ju90 http://ur1.ca/ju91 | Jan 14 22:17 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Firefox 3.6: I am more than my Monkey • The Register .::. Size~: 30.4 KB | Jan 14 22:17 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Is Richard Stallman Mellowing? - Community - ComputerworldUK .::. Size~: 72.87 KB | Jan 14 22:17 |
phIRCe-local | Title: On Selling Exceptions « The Source.com .::. Size~: 36.02 KB | Jan 14 22:17 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Openness Helps -- Not Disrupts -- #Science http://ur1.ca/ju95 | Jan 14 22:18 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Call for #Google to Support Ogg, Standards and #HTML5 http://ur1.ca/ju99 #noflash | Jan 14 22:18 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Why Hasnt Scientific Publishing Been Disrupted Already? « The Scholarly Kitchen .::. Size~: 138.4 KB | Jan 14 22:18 |
phIRCe-local | Title: High Time for HTML5 from YouTube: Please Vote - Community - ComputerworldUK .::. Size~: 70.83 KB | Jan 14 22:18 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenAccess Promotion Advances in the Different Fields http://ur1.ca/ju9c http://ur1.ca/ju9d | Jan 14 22:19 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Censorship Resisted in the UK, But Only for Foreigners http://ur1.ca/ju9h http://ur1.ca/ju9i | Jan 14 22:19 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Innovative new web interface improves access to UK’s largest free online life sciences resource .::. Size~: 16.33 KB | Jan 14 22:19 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Opinions on Open › Can Creative Commons effect social change in education? .::. Size~: 28.63 KB | Jan 14 22:19 |
phIRCe-local | Title: MPs call on IT companies to follow Google and stop Chinese censorship - 14/01/2010 - Computer Weekly .::. Size~: 99.25 KB | Jan 14 22:19 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Ignore Islam4UK, don’t ban them | openDemocracy .::. Size~: 62.76 KB | Jan 14 22:19 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MAFIAA Comes Under #Antitrust Investigation http://ur1.ca/ju9o http://ur1.ca/ju9p | Jan 14 22:20 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Record labels face US antitrust hearing - Telegraph .::. Size~: 54.7 KB | Jan 14 22:20 |
phIRCe-local | Title: U.S. court revives antitrust suit on music downloads| Reuters .::. Size~: 51.35 KB | Jan 14 22:20 |
schestowitz | trmanco: they pay for it (Miceosoft) | Jan 14 22:24 |
schestowitz | They burn money and still lose market share | Jan 14 22:24 |
schestowitz | To my surprise... | Jan 14 22:25 |
trmanco | why would anyone want to do a web search on facebook? | Jan 14 22:25 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA Developments: #Copyright Applies to Luggage, Protests Ensue http://ur1.ca/jua8 http://ur1.ca/jua9 | Jan 14 22:28 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: open...: Personal Luggage *Will* be Subject to ACTA .::. Size~: 93.3 KB | Jan 14 22:28 |
phIRCe-local | Title: p2pnet news » Blog Archive » Union des Consommateurs ACTA protest .::. Size~: 43.2 KB | Jan 14 22:28 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux is Replacing Microsoft from the Boot Sequence http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10620009 | Jan 14 22:30 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft needs swift kick in the boot-up - Technology - NZ Herald News .::. Size~: 59.21 KB | Jan 14 22:30 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: http://www.dedoimedo.com/games/wine-directx.html Don't publish items like this again. There is a winetricks system for install Direct X. Due to wine not having windows internals what that guy did breaks equal numbers of games as it helps. | Jan 14 22:31 |
phIRCe-local | Title: How to install DirectX in Linux using Wine .::. Size~: 18.35 KB | Jan 14 22:31 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Haven't looked at Wave for a while...WOW. Its much more responsive than last time! Hopefully the improvement will continue! #googlewave | Jan 14 22:32 | |
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trmanco | oiaohm: is absolutely correct | Jan 14 23:05 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz and the others, so got to share this | Jan 14 23:11 |
sebsebseb | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3ID2CbtnKk&feature=fvw | Jan 14 23:12 |
phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- Windows 7 or KDE 4? .::. Size~: 156.39 KB | Jan 14 23:12 |
sebsebseb | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3ID2CbtnKk&feature=fvw | Jan 14 23:12 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] “Windows is Secure” http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/14/windows-1984/ | Jan 14 23:34 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: “Windows is Secure” | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 86.94 KB | Jan 14 23:34 |
neighborlee | Unless this guys hardware is wonkie, it doesn't look great for ubuntu koala: ' couldn’t be booted into the desktop due to video corruption, either in normal or safe graphics mode <7300GT>. The same happened to a system fitted with an ATI Radeon 9600 card. ' | Jan 14 23:35 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Dear lazyweb. Are there any linux filesystems which support online shrink? | Jan 14 23:36 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Anti- #GNU #Linux #Microsoft SVP Quits the Company http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/14/bill-veghte-jumps-ship/ | Jan 14 23:36 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Another Anti-GNU/Linux Microsoft SVP Quits the Company | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 94.91 KB | Jan 14 23:36 |
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trmanco | http://www.developer.com/java/other/article.php/3858751/Sun-Updates-Java-SE-6-for-Performance.htm | Jan 14 23:50 |
trmanco | why didn't the bot pick this up? :/ | Jan 14 23:52 |
trmanco | http://www.developer.com/java/other/article.php/3858751/Sun-Updates-Java-SE-6-for-Performance.htm | Jan 14 23:56 |
trmanco | this is what we call a block | Jan 14 23:56 |
trmanco | I might turn on the curl verbosity to 1 | Jan 14 23:56 |
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