| schestowitz | http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/why-canada-should-open-source-government/139761 | Jan 18 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.minonline.com/news/Nat-Geo-Relaunches-Site-With-Open-Source-Spirit_13221.html | Jan 18 00:02 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Nat Geo Relaunches Site With Open-Source Spirit :: MinOnline .::. Size~: 48.67 KB | Jan 18 00:02 |
| trmanco | canada is calling for me :-P | Jan 18 00:03 |
| trmanco | hahaha | Jan 18 00:03 |
| trmanco | just joking | Jan 18 00:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: got to get rid of harper first | Jan 18 00:03 |
| trmanco | next elections | Jan 18 00:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: canada seems to be entering an identity crisis phase | Jan 18 00:03 |
| trmanco | it can't get into one now | Jan 18 00:04 |
| trmanco | :/ | Jan 18 00:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2010/01/microsoft_and_o_2.html;jsessionid=RNIENLVFHEVDRQE1GHPSKH4ATMY32JVN | Jan 18 00:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: which is frustrating, as I left a country in the midst of its own identity crisis, apparently to another one that knew who the heck it was. | Jan 18 00:04 |
| schestowitz | "Just two days after California approved open-source software for use in state offices and agencies, Montana's governor has received a request to rip and replace existing statewide contracts with Oracle and Microsoft and instead go with open source." | Jan 18 00:04 |
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| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: sorry, but signs point to canada's self identity being confused right now. getting rid of harper is a good start to solving it, methinks. | Jan 18 00:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: harper's is the politics of division | Jan 18 00:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: culture wars | Jan 18 00:04 |
| schestowitz | trmanco for PM | Jan 18 00:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: he's doing the same wedge stuff as his mentors - thatcher, reagan, bush, etc, etc | Jan 18 00:05 |
| trmanco | oh no way | Jan 18 00:05 |
| schestowitz | We'll start grooming him now | Jan 18 00:05 |
| trmanco | I need a phd first | Jan 18 00:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: but he's disposable :) | Jan 18 00:05 |
| trmanco | oh | Jan 18 00:05 |
| *FurnaceBoy has to run to get food | Jan 18 00:05 | |
| trmanco | so he is one of the "like" war politician | Jan 18 00:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | bbiab | Jan 18 00:05 |
| trmanco | likes* | Jan 18 00:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: yes, bush lover | Jan 18 00:05 |
| trmanco | jeez | Jan 18 00:05 |
| *FurnaceBoy is now known as FurnaceBoy|afk | Jan 18 00:06 | |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | trmanco: but don't worry, he can't last here.. if he does, i'll leave haha | Jan 18 00:06 |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | trmanco: Portugal is top of my list, closely fol'd by Spain | Jan 18 00:06 |
| trmanco | don't come to portugal | Jan 18 00:06 |
| trmanco | go to spain instead | Jan 18 00:06 |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | trmanco: but Lisboa rocks :) | Jan 18 00:06 |
| trmanco | it smells too | Jan 18 00:07 |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | trmanco: all depends on employment .. curse of my generation :) | Jan 18 00:07 |
| trmanco | well... I'm going back to my country | Jan 18 00:07 |
| trmanco | :-P | Jan 18 00:07 |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | trmanco: i'm sure things will normalise here. canada has a long tradition of not-being-assholes, despite harper | Jan 18 00:08 |
| trmanco | time to kick him out | Jan 18 00:08 |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | +1 | Jan 18 00:08 |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | +111!!!11!1!! | Jan 18 00:08 |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | ;-) | Jan 18 00:08 |
| trmanco | I haven't heard my sister say anything about politics there | Jan 18 00:09 |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | trmanco: there's a certain amount of apathy re harper | Jan 18 00:09 |
| trmanco | maybe she doesn't really care... she has other important things to consider | Jan 18 00:09 |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | trmanco: ppl fall into the 'frothing at the mouth liberal' or 'who cares, i have Tim Hortons and hockey' camps | Jan 18 00:09 |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | trmanco: right | Jan 18 00:09 |
| trmanco | :/ | Jan 18 00:09 |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | trmanco: boiling frogs | Jan 18 00:09 |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | trmanco: cons thrives on apathy, bread and circuses | Jan 18 00:10 |
| trmanco | what do you mean by "boiling frogs"? | Jan 18 00:10 |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | trmanco: guys like harper get in, start pulling levers their way, hoping most ppl won't notice. | Jan 18 00:10 |
| trmanco | ah | Jan 18 00:10 |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | water gets warmer. by the time u notice you're boiling to death, too late | Jan 18 00:10 |
| trmanco | let me search some stuff on harper | Jan 18 00:11 |
| trmanco | ah, reminds me a mr.bush | Jan 18 00:11 |
| trmanco | of* | Jan 18 00:11 |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | trmanco: lot of op-eds lately about canadian identity, carelessness as being seen as intransigent. even before Copenhagen and harper's shameful representation there. | Jan 18 00:11 |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | carelessness about* | Jan 18 00:11 |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | being seen as bad citizens* | Jan 18 00:11 |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | torture is a big issue here right now. | Jan 18 00:11 |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | so he shut down parliament to forestall an enquiry. | Jan 18 00:11 |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | seems canada may have broken international laws (like EU, USA etc) | Jan 18 00:12 |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | UK* | Jan 18 00:12 |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | Ireland, Romania are starting to sweat about rendition, since breaks EU laws | Jan 18 00:12 |
| trmanco | hmm, interesting | Jan 18 00:12 |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | Canada is getting dragged into this, so Harper shut down parliament, twice in 2 years running | Jan 18 00:12 |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | his govt refused to investigate allegations that ppl in Canadian custody were knowingly shipped to torture | Jan 18 00:13 |
| ender2070 | harper is a coward who pro-rogues whenever hes in trouble | Jan 18 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Very active discussion today around Freedom in !fsf @identica | Jan 18 00:23 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/?2010/01/15/691-fog-over-false-creek | Jan 18 00:23 |
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| trmanco | Vancouver is far from where I'm going to live :-P | Jan 18 00:24 |
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| ender2070 | seems my database is corrupted too | Jan 18 00:34 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100115/1209077775.shtml | Jan 18 00:35 |
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| schestowitz | Next thing you know they'll prosecure and jail people who try to commit suicide | Jan 18 00:37 |
| ender2070 | i thought it was okay because it was still there but nothing reads it | Jan 18 00:38 |
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| ender2070 | google cache :D | Jan 18 00:39 |
| ender2070 | i got the important stuff I posted recently at least | Jan 18 00:40 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: http://businessmirror.com.ph/home/regions/20975-the-decade-in-management-ideas.html | Jan 18 00:46 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: should have all the stuff in Google | Jan 18 00:47 |
| schestowitz | Just don't let it expire | Jan 18 00:47 |
| schestowitz | There's also Microslop's cache | Jan 18 00:47 |
| trmanco | lol | Jan 18 00:47 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they'll be useful to you for *something* | Jan 18 00:47 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: oops. This one: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/dec/22/bbc-drm-cory-doctorow | Jan 18 00:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60G1Z120100117 | Jan 18 00:49 |
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| Tallken | hey, got a blank here, how is it that you call a microsoft subverting marketeer that operates in disguise? | Jan 18 00:52 |
| Tallken | can't remember :( | Jan 18 00:52 |
| Tallken | astroturfer? | Jan 18 00:53 |
| Tallken | that's it! | Jan 18 00:53 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 18 00:53 |
| schestowitz | But not quite | Jan 18 00:54 |
| schestowitz | AstroTurfer is another thing | Jan 18 00:54 |
| Tallken | ? | Jan 18 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Maybe viral marketer or community disruptor is what you have in mind. The military has those too | Jan 18 00:54 |
| schestowitz | AstroTurfers stage support for secret payments | Jan 18 00:55 |
| schestowitz | Like ACT | Jan 18 00:55 |
| schestowitz | Lobbying is a form of AstroTurfing a lot of the time | Jan 18 00:55 |
| Tallken | lobbying ppl are supposed to be clearly identifiable, whereas astroturfers can't be clearly identied as being close/paid by someone | Jan 18 00:56 |
| Tallken | AFAIK | Jan 18 00:56 |
| Tallken | anyway, thanks! | Jan 18 01:01 |
| Tallken | cya! | Jan 18 01:01 |
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| _Goblin | Discovered a distro of my dreams: | Jan 18 01:19 |
| _Goblin | Puppy Arcade 5 | Jan 18 01:19 |
| _Goblin | all my emu needs in one! I think I may dedicate a rig to this. | Jan 18 01:19 |
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| FurnaceBoy|afk | schestowitz | Next thing you know they'll prosecure and jail people who try to commit suicide << they don't? it's still a crime in many jurisdictions | Jan 18 01:26 |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | schestowitz: catholic influenced ones too | Jan 18 01:26 |
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| schestowitz | I didn't know Russian sold Alaska to the US..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUB8jQ57ubE | Jan 18 01:30 |
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| schestowitz | *Russia | Jan 18 01:30 |
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| ender2070 | schestowitz - saved an html copy of it | Jan 18 02:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] "spam" is unsolicited. The "ubuntu people are sick of the same debate, by continuing it when they don't want it, it is spamming them | Jan 18 02:06 | |
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| schestowitz | What's going on? | Jan 18 02:10 |
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| schestowitz | I'm not writing anything | Jan 18 02:10 |
| schestowitz | Yet it took me offline | Jan 18 02:10 |
| yuhong | I explained "Vista 7 Security “Cannot be Fixed. It’s a Design Problem.” briefly in the comments | Jan 18 02:11 |
| yuhong | And talked about it on IRC. | Jan 18 02:11 |
| schestowitz | I'm watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFE-G11IRNs\ | Jan 18 02:12 |
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| oiaohm | yuhong: Its not that Windows 7 secuirty design cannot be fixed. Its that no one will put up with the pain todo it. | Jan 18 02:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: tyranny of low expectations, also :) | Jan 18 02:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: windows users consider all this nonsense normal | Jan 18 02:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: years of training | Jan 18 02:13 |
| oiaohm | There is nothing in software secuirty designs that cannot be fixed if the price is prepared to be payed. | Jan 18 02:13 |
| yuhong | And yes it can be fixed, but it required trusted boot and it is generic to all OSes. | Jan 18 02:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: eh | Jan 18 02:13 |
| yuhong | It is far from unique to Win7 or Windows. | Jan 18 02:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: they just happen to care less | Jan 18 02:14 |
| yuhong | I am trying to find some IRC logs explaining it. | Jan 18 02:14 |
| oiaohm | Ok so you are talking about lower level techs like TPM. | Jan 18 02:14 |
| yuhong | Yes. | Jan 18 02:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: it's a monopoly. the market doesn't punish them for incompetence | Jan 18 02:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: one day it will | Jan 18 02:14 |
| yuhong | I know. | Jan 18 02:14 |
| oiaohm | All of thoses can be bipassed with direct access. | Jan 18 02:14 |
| yuhong | Of course. | Jan 18 02:14 |
| ender2070 | http://www.pwnage.ca/ | Jan 18 02:14 |
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| oiaohm | Lot of motherboards do support TPM chips. | Jan 18 02:15 |
| yuhong | But my real point is that this fundemental problem is far from unique to even Windows. | Jan 18 02:15 |
| oiaohm | And Linux can have full TPM audit of scan system than scan system audit system. | Jan 18 02:15 |
| yuhong | Yep. | Jan 18 02:15 |
| oiaohm | Same with a lot of other embed class OS's. | Jan 18 02:15 |
| yuhong | Yep. | Jan 18 02:15 |
| yuhong | And even Windows 7 has BitLocker. | Jan 18 02:15 |
| oiaohm | It not unfixable. | Jan 18 02:16 |
| yuhong | Exactly. | Jan 18 02:16 |
| yuhong | schestowitz: Did you hear oiaohm? | Jan 18 02:16 |
| oiaohm | Linux core design and NT core design don't cover items like TPM. | Jan 18 02:16 |
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| oiaohm | They don't need to. | Jan 18 02:16 |
| oiaohm | The issue with windows is the numbers of things you would break bring in a proper protection systems yuhong | Jan 18 02:17 |
| oiaohm | Linux kernel developers are trying to do away with binary drivers in kernel space to make TPM systems more solid. | Jan 18 02:17 |
| yuhong | I know, and many of the security features has existed since NT 3.1 before Windows 95 was even released. | Jan 18 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | The Indiana Senate has introduced another proposed constitutional gay marriage ban | Jan 18 02:18 |
| yuhong | oiaohm: Yep, I am sure they are. | Jan 18 02:18 |
| oiaohm | Binary drivers that end up not maintained is not good for secuirty. | Jan 18 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | they've done this every year since 2004 with the House refusing to consider it | Jan 18 02:18 |
| yuhong | Of course not, but that is a different problem. | Jan 18 02:18 |
| oiaohm | Changing the way drivers are done for NT would increase MS costs massively. | Jan 18 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | it would instantly obsolete thousands of pieces of hardware | Jan 18 02:19 |
| oiaohm | Its a chain of problems yuhong | Jan 18 02:19 |
| yuhong | I know, but that is a different problem. | Jan 18 02:20 |
| oiaohm | Each having massive costs to fix. In hardware support, applications to run and so on. | Jan 18 02:20 |
| yuhong | DaemonFC: I know, but that is a different problem. | Jan 18 02:20 |
| oiaohm | What is the point of protecting the boot if the drivers it approves is flawed. | Jan 18 02:20 |
| yuhong | Of course. | Jan 18 02:20 |
| oiaohm | Secuirty is a layers yuhong | Jan 18 02:20 |
| yuhong | Yep. | Jan 18 02:20 |
| oiaohm | Any layer with a flaw can make doing all the other layers waste of time. | Jan 18 02:21 |
| yuhong | Yep. | Jan 18 02:21 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - move to Canada already, you won't have to fear all your neighbors and you'll be able to marry your butt buddies | Jan 18 02:21 |
| oiaohm | cost to fix has to include fixing all the layers with issues | Jan 18 02:21 |
| oiaohm | NT lack of good solid boot certification. Linux has a option of kernel in bios that kind makes it really hard to bypass. | Jan 18 02:22 |
| oiaohm | Lack of driver source to update for flaws as detect also exists on the NT side. | Jan 18 02:23 |
| oiaohm | Poor setup of user rights. Ie making too many processes have more access rights than they need. | Jan 18 02:23 |
| yuhong | I know. | Jan 18 02:23 |
| oiaohm | Its not unfixable. The question is can MS afford todo it and remain closed source. | Jan 18 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: It's largely a symbolic gesture, as it requires a majority of votes in both houses followed by public ballot initiative | Jan 18 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | the Senate they have, the public is a bunch of rednecks | Jan 18 02:24 |
| yuhong | Drivers, yes I know. | Jan 18 02:24 |
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| ender2070 | DaemonFC - nobody cares here | Jan 18 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | the House is the only reason it's not in the constitution | Jan 18 02:24 |
| yuhong | I remember Atsiv, which defeated Vista driver signing. | Jan 18 02:24 |
| oiaohm | Driver signing is not the main issue. | Jan 18 02:25 |
| oiaohm | The driver itself is. yuhong | Jan 18 02:25 |
| yuhong | Exactly, I know. | Jan 18 02:25 |
| oiaohm | Because ms signs a lot of drivers that never gets updated. | Jan 18 02:25 |
| DaemonFC | they keep trying every session hoping to pull a squeaker | Jan 18 02:25 |
| yuhong | Yep. | Jan 18 02:26 |
| oiaohm | so making signing drivers a waste of time because the layer under it is defective. yuhong | Jan 18 02:26 |
| yuhong | Yep, I know. | Jan 18 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | driver signing has nothing to do with security | Jan 18 02:26 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://campustechnology.com/articles/2010/01/14/indiana-u-leads-effort-to-develop-next-generation-library-management-app.aspx | Jan 18 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | it's about DRM and paying MS to sign it | Jan 18 02:26 |
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| yuhong | I know, but that is beside this point. | Jan 18 02:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] how many hardline #gnu peeps watch movies with effects made on non-free software? Hollywood don't provide source on their DVDs | Jan 18 02:27 | |
| oiaohm | Driver signing can assist secuirty and stablity preventing damaged or tampered with drivers from loading. | Jan 18 02:27 |
| yuhong | Yep. | Jan 18 02:27 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Our local library uses Microsoft formats for everything | Jan 18 02:28 |
| DaemonFC | even audio books | Jan 18 02:28 |
| oiaohm | For DRM to work you also need solid secuirty DaemonFC | Jan 18 02:28 |
| yuhong | thistleweb: Yea, the obsession of open source can get ridiculous. | Jan 18 02:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: aaaargh | Jan 18 02:28 |
| oiaohm | Kinda makes a joke of MS DRM with the holes in MS secuirty | Jan 18 02:28 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: They're really only worried about securing the parts of Windows that can be subverted to compromise DRM | Jan 18 02:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: misuse of public funds | Jan 18 02:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: one day this will be a crime | Jan 18 02:29 |
| DaemonFC | they don't give a flying fuck if your PC is a zombie spam relay | Jan 18 02:29 |
| yuhong | On bad Windows apps, compare the design of SetFilePointer with GetDiskFreeSpace, both existed since NT 3.1. | Jan 18 02:29 |
| oiaohm | Problem here not even the parts that can compromise DRM are correctly protected DaemonFC | Jan 18 02:29 |
| DaemonFC | or popping up porn ads | Jan 18 02:29 |
| DaemonFC | or stealing your credit card and social security info | Jan 18 02:29 |
| oiaohm | So you argument they are only interested in the areas that can compromise drm is wrong. | Jan 18 02:30 |
| oiaohm | MS wanted DRM so they could sell it to media companies and make money. | Jan 18 02:30 |
| DaemonFC | it's all they're working on | Jan 18 02:30 |
| oiaohm | MS total interest is extracting money. | Jan 18 02:30 |
| yuhong | I would not go that far. | Jan 18 02:30 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: The library here uses WMA because they can DRM the audio book to time out after 20 days | Jan 18 02:30 |
| oiaohm | That is based on there history yuhong | Jan 18 02:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I miss paper already | Jan 18 02:31 |
| oiaohm | Every time when its been an option between money and secuirty they have taken money yuhong | Jan 18 02:31 |
| yuhong | I know. | Jan 18 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: They seem to be unaware that you can record your sound card output | Jan 18 02:31 |
| oiaohm | Ask some of the reactos developers sometime about direct x on XP compared to 2000 | Jan 18 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | and turn it into an Ogg Vorbis or MP3 file | Jan 18 02:31 |
| yuhong | This was supposed to go to DaemonFC. | Jan 18 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | *shrugs* | Jan 18 02:31 |
| oiaohm | Lot of safe guards were removed so XP would bench a little here. | Jan 18 02:31 |
| oiaohm | Higher | Jan 18 02:31 |
| oiaohm | So sell more copies. | Jan 18 02:31 |
| oiaohm | Then Vista MS pushed the DRM side to sell DRM to media companies. | Jan 18 02:32 |
| yuhong | I know. | Jan 18 02:32 |
| oiaohm | Again its money. | Jan 18 02:32 |
| yuhong | I know. | Jan 18 02:32 |
| oiaohm | I cannot name anything MS has done for secuirty in the last 10 years that was not about money. | Jan 18 02:33 |
| yuhong | I was trying to respond to DaemonFC. | Jan 18 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | I prefer Audible though, you can get it in really high bitrate, and barely lose anything by converting it to Vorbis or Speex | Jan 18 02:33 |
| yuhong | I was trying to respond to DaemonFC, not to oiaohm. | Jan 18 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | I mainly use Vorbis for audio books cause my portable won't do Speex | Jan 18 02:33 |
| yuhong | Sorry. | Jan 18 02:33 |
| oiaohm | What do they need demo that WMA with timer can be recoded. | Jan 18 02:34 |
| oiaohm | Without timer DaemonFC | Jan 18 02:34 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft has worked on and improved the parts of Windows that help them implement DRM | Jan 18 02:34 |
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| DaemonFC | the new Windows audio stack is better, but it was only replaced so as to make DRM easier | Jan 18 02:34 |
| oiaohm | There is a secound reason. | Jan 18 02:35 |
| DaemonFC | the new Windows Display Driver Model is better, but it was only worked on to elp make DRM easier | Jan 18 02:35 |
| oiaohm | The old stack did not work on multi cores either DaemonFC | Jan 18 02:35 |
| oiaohm | MS was forced to tech upgrade. So while at it they built in DRM to make profit. DaemonFC | Jan 18 02:36 |
| oiaohm | Also the Windows Display Driver update was catch apple and prevent compiz and the like leep frogging them at the time. | Jan 18 02:36 |
| ender2070 | oiaohm - no sense arguing with him | Jan 18 02:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Looking at two distro's (& two rather unique ones) Backtrack 4 & Puppy Arcade 5. Expect reviews soon. http://tinyurl.com/knvxnm #linux | Jan 18 02:37 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 116.07 KB | Jan 18 02:37 |
| oiaohm | Simple fact DRM is a side line nothing more DaemonFC. If they were serous about it they would have locked lots other things down. | Jan 18 02:37 |
| DaemonFC | When is the last time you saw something improve that wasn't DRM-related somehow | Jan 18 02:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's the main 'innovation' in Vista | Jan 18 02:37 |
| ender2070 | http://chromeos.hexxeh.net/ | Jan 18 02:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: cements the monopoly as you see | Jan 18 02:38 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Chromium OS Builds by Hexxeh .::. Size~: 6.45 KB | Jan 18 02:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: library | Jan 18 02:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: 100% MS | Jan 18 02:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: they like it that way | Jan 18 02:38 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: The library will tell you that publishers demand that they DRM their audio books | Jan 18 02:38 |
| DaemonFC | so I'd like to know why they still have books on CD | Jan 18 02:38 |
| oiaohm | True DaemonFC | Jan 18 02:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: i know | Jan 18 02:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: the whole system has to be fixed | Jan 18 02:39 |
| oiaohm | publishers still want people to buy there audio books. | Jan 18 02:39 |
| oiaohm | And they want libs to only provide limited time tastes. | Jan 18 02:39 |
| oiaohm | Greed is the biggest factor behind DRM DaemonFC | Jan 18 02:39 |
| oiaohm | And it coming from many parties. | Jan 18 02:40 |
| ender2070 | What stops someone from literally taking a book and photocopying it | Jan 18 02:40 |
| ender2070 | LOL :P | Jan 18 02:40 |
| oiaohm | No use a book scanner | Jan 18 02:40 |
| DaemonFC | price of ink and paper to copy it with mainly | Jan 18 02:40 |
| ender2070 | or a book scanner | Jan 18 02:40 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jan 18 02:40 |
| ender2070 | or if you're hardcore, typing it up by hand | Jan 18 02:41 |
| oiaohm | http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/12/diy-book-scanner/ | Jan 18 02:41 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: DIY Book Scanners Turn Your Books Into Bytes | Gadget Lab | Wired.com .::. Size~: 110.83 KB | Jan 18 02:41 |
| oiaohm | Yes how to make book scanners is open hardware | Jan 18 02:41 |
| DaemonFC | I actually don't like computer keyboards | Jan 18 02:41 |
| DaemonFC | they feel fragile when you type on them | Jan 18 02:41 |
| oiaohm | I guess using cheep keyboard | Jan 18 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | nah, they all do | Jan 18 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | I liked the typewriter keyboards, the ones that made you feel like you were going to break your fingers on them | Jan 18 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 18 02:42 |
| *_goblin has quit ("Ex-Chat") | Jan 18 02:43 | |
| oiaohm | You can buy for about 250 USD a computer keyboard with same fell as typewriter | Jan 18 02:43 |
| oiaohm | It is sold hardware keyboard DaemonFC | Jan 18 02:44 |
| oiaohm | http://mykeyboard.co.uk/microswitch/ Or you can be insane and build a keyboard out of switches DaemonFC | Jan 18 02:45 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: My microswitch keyboard .::. Size~: 17.03 KB | Jan 18 02:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | what's wrong with a Model M | Jan 18 02:46 |
| oiaohm | Get your hands on them and lack of a few modern keys other wise good FurnaceBoy | Jan 18 02:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: which modern keys? | Jan 18 02:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: i never needed a key that wasn't on a model M | Jan 18 02:49 |
| *FurnaceBoy hugs his ASR-33 | Jan 18 02:49 | |
| oiaohm | Windows key FurnaceBoy | Jan 18 02:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | wtf? | Jan 18 02:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | why would i need a windows key? | Jan 18 02:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | i actually refuse to use or own a keyboard that *has* one | Jan 18 02:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | wouldn't even know what it's for | Jan 18 02:50 |
| oiaohm | That maps the old meta key under Linux. | Jan 18 02:50 |
| oiaohm | Standard dos keyboard are a shift key short. | Jan 18 02:50 |
| -kloeri-[Global Notice] Hi all. As you might be aware the spam attacks have picked up again. Please don't click the URLs in the spam messages as you'll be contributing to the problem and most likely immediately klined if you do so. We encourage channel operators to use +R or +r to keep out the spam as needed. For more information see http://blog.freenode.net/2010/01/javascript-spam/. Thank you for using freenode. | Jan 18 02:51 | |
| oiaohm | ie shift, cntl,alt (no meta) | Jan 18 02:51 |
| oiaohm | Yes I also find the lack of f keys on a normal keyboard annoying at times. | Jan 18 02:52 |
| oiaohm | My largest old unix has 48 f keys | Jan 18 02:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | impressive | Jan 18 02:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: what brand? | Jan 18 02:53 |
| *s17 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | Jan 18 02:53 | |
| FurnaceBoy | right here I have Apple to F16 (with some icon keys), Sun to F12, and HP to F8. | Jan 18 02:53 |
| oiaohm | digital I cannot remember the model FurnaceBoy | Jan 18 02:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: I probably have it | Jan 18 02:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: somewhere :) | Jan 18 02:54 |
| oiaohm | X11 can macro any key you don't use. | Jan 18 02:54 |
| MinceR | "I find your lack of function keys...disturbing." | Jan 18 02:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ha | Jan 18 02:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR++ | Jan 18 02:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | "I find your lack of tactile feedback... disturbing" ? | Jan 18 02:55 |
| oiaohm | I guess you have never majorally macroed a keyboard MinceR | Jan 18 02:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] my flipant comment about DVDs, is that you can't remake them and redistribute. You are an end user. It's a closed product, without a boycott | Jan 18 02:58 | |
| oiaohm | These days I have those media keyboard and retarget the buttons. | Jan 18 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: I hate media keyboards | Jan 18 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | the buttons always bring up the program you don't want to open | Jan 18 02:59 |
| MinceR | i hope someday keyboard makers will discover those 10 cN microswitches mentioned in that article. | Jan 18 02:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: don't hit the pr0n key by accident! | Jan 18 02:59 |
| MinceR | it would be nice to have a mechanical keyboard with low activation force. | Jan 18 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | what I like is how Firefox remembers the tabs you left open | Jan 18 03:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] http://twitpic.com/yli8i - | Jan 18 03:00 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] the #gnu people don't rail on peeps who buy DVDs do they? | Jan 18 03:00 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Twitpic - Share photos on Twitter .::. Size~: 2.21 KB | Jan 18 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | so you forget you were on a porn site next time someone asks you to bring something up on the computer | Jan 18 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 18 03:00 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: one way to prevent that is keeping the browser open :> | Jan 18 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | true | Jan 18 03:01 |
| oiaohm | I have seen people caught equally by windows suspend DaemonFC | Jan 18 03:01 |
| oiaohm | Just don't be careless | Jan 18 03:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] http://twitpic.com/ylik9 - Puppy Arcade 5 - An all in one solution for your emu needs? | Jan 18 03:02 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Puppy Arcade 5 - An all in one solution for your emu needs? on Twitpic .::. Size~: 7.75 KB | Jan 18 03:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: haha! | Jan 18 03:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: not to mention URL completion | Jan 18 03:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] And on that note, Im off to bed. Theres quite a few posts to get sorted for release tomorrow! Night all! | Jan 18 03:04 | |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 18 03:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | not that I'm speaking from experience! | Jan 18 03:07 |
| oiaohm | http://www.osnews.com/story/22747/Apple_Seeks_Ban_on_Nokia_Products_in_the_US Hmm its heading for full out war | Jan 18 03:14 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Apple Seeks Ban on Nokia Products in the US .::. Size~: 20.67 KB | Jan 18 03:14 |
| ender2070 | my keyboard is a logitech g15 | Jan 18 03:30 |
| ender2070 | nice to program | Jan 18 03:30 |
| ender2070 | it has its own LCD | Jan 18 03:30 |
| MinceR | mine is a Logitech Internet 350 | Jan 18 03:32 |
| ender2070 | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Microsoft-bots-perform-denial-of-service-on-Perl-Testers-906094.html | Jan 18 03:34 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft bots perform denial of service on Perl Testers - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 30.49 KB | Jan 18 03:34 |
| *Eruaran (n=Eruaran@CPE-124-180-202-208.lns7.lon.bigpond.net.au) has joined #boycottnovell | Jan 18 03:36 | |
| Eruaran | Hi all | Jan 18 03:36 |
| schestowitz | I think I've just posted my longest news roundup ever... and the IRC log from today is 1MB | Jan 18 03:45 |
| schestowitz | Gotta get some zzzz now | Jan 18 03:45 |
| schestowitz | gn | Jan 18 03:45 |
| Eruaran | I don't know if this is news to anyone | Jan 18 03:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Jan 18 03:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: nite | Jan 18 03:47 |
| Eruaran | But I have just found out today | Jan 18 03:47 |
| Eruaran | nite schestowitz | Jan 18 03:47 |
| Eruaran | Microsoft has discontinued XP Pro but technically business customers can still use it | Jan 18 03:47 |
| Eruaran | They are artificially inflating Windows 7 numbers by forcing people to buy Windows 7 | Jan 18 03:47 |
| Eruaran | One of your business clients today needed to upgrade from Windows 2000 to XPP because of lack of driver support on newer hardware | Jan 18 03:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: yep, same trick applied to vista figures. | Jan 18 03:49 |
| Eruaran | According to Microsoft, if they buy Windows 7 Professional they can use one of their Windows XP Profesionally license keys to install XP on that system, then call Microsoft to tell them that they bought W7Pro and they are ok with that. | Jan 18 03:49 |
| Eruaran | Windows 7 never gets installed, Windows XP does, but they have to buy a Windows 7 license. | Jan 18 03:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] My point is to figure how where the line is drawn, between a world of only-free, & rejecting all non-free, & how you expect to entice others | Jan 18 03:50 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] if a line to allow some non-free, with some form of compromise, then the "you must use only free" argument is hollow & hypocritical | Jan 18 03:52 | |
| Eruaran | Microsoft is promoting the idea that 'business is embracing Windows 7', but its a complete crock. | Jan 18 03:53 |
| ender2070 | well here is the idea | Jan 18 03:53 |
| ender2070 | if they can get two businesses to embrace it they can make the claim "businesses are embracing windows 7" | Jan 18 03:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: same old, same old | Jan 18 03:54 |
| ender2070 | they never talk true numbers | Jan 18 03:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: there's also the basic issue that PCs and windows licenses are still inseparable. criminal. | Jan 18 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | All these places offering "automatic bill payment" | Jan 18 03:56 |
| DaemonFC | like I'm going to trust anyone to reach in and take whatever they want each month before I have a chance to dispute it | Jan 18 03:56 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 18 03:56 |
| DaemonFC | The government already gets to do that by law, and we all know how fun that is | Jan 18 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | the state reached in and drained my bank account one year because they said I had unpaid taxes | Jan 18 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | come to find out they had me confused with someone else | Jan 18 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | I don't trust the state, and I'll be damned if I'll let Comcast do it | Jan 18 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | they've gotten my bill wrong so many times that I've lost track | Jan 18 04:00 |
| oiaohm | Eruaran: MS forget to tell people. That enties like charities got free upgrades for Vista to Windows 7 in there usable licence keys and can isntall back to windows 2000 under that licence. | Jan 18 04:04 |
| oiaohm | Yet everyone else is expect to pay for upgrades. | Jan 18 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather be using Windows 2000 | Jan 18 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | at least it's relatively fast and stable | Jan 18 04:05 |
| oiaohm | Drivers become a issue these days. | Jan 18 04:05 |
| oiaohm | But yes 2000 is a nice OS. | Jan 18 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | I would imagine so | Jan 18 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | I got away with using it on my old Athlon 64 3200+ system | Jan 18 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | it was pretty fast | Jan 18 04:06 |
| oiaohm | One of the groups I work with is a Microsoft authorised recycler. | Jan 18 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 18 04:06 |
| oiaohm | They are allowed to install as many copies as windows 2000 as the like at no charge. | Jan 18 04:06 |
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| DaemonFC | they recycle all the license keys Microsoft printed and keep them out of landfills | Jan 18 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 18 04:06 |
| oiaohm | No new issued keys. By the roll. | Jan 18 04:06 |
| oiaohm | Each roll is 10 000 keys. | Jan 18 04:07 |
| oiaohm | So far they have not got threw the first roll. | Jan 18 04:07 |
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| oiaohm | They are looking forward to MS putting XP under the depreacted OS list. | Jan 18 04:08 |
| xtc944 | The writer of the conficker virus is Mario Fiege a German in the Philippines. he is working with glavmed.com.stimul-cash.com , rx-promotion.com , spamit.com. He is pretending to be a russian in the internet while hacking domains,,hijacking forums and sending millions of email spam out of malware ghettos like asia. He is using proxyway.com | Jan 18 04:08 |
| oiaohm | Basically the give away 2000 to reduce numbers of Linux installs DaemonFC | Jan 18 04:09 |
| DaemonFC | xtc944: There basically is no law in the Philippines | Jan 18 04:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: not quite true. | Jan 18 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | or else people wouldn't feel comfortable dumping corpses in plain view on the road side | Jan 18 04:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: the law is doing pretty well at nailing the guy responsible for the recent governor-race massacre. | Jan 18 04:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: i bet he didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition. | Jan 18 04:11 |
| xtc944 | yes there is no law,,i don't no what to do,, i got hacked from him,,i was working with pharmacy and i give him the idea ! | Jan 18 04:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | xtc944: orly | Jan 18 04:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | xtc944: turn him in then, idiot | Jan 18 04:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | xtc944: philippine law is hardly involved. | Jan 18 04:12 |
| xtc944 | i did,,,for child abuse,,20 days later he was free $ 2000 | Jan 18 04:12 |
| *johnboy_ has quit (Client Quit) | Jan 18 04:13 | |
| FurnaceBoy | xtc944: go away | Jan 18 04:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | xtc944: you're either a troll or beyond clueless | Jan 18 04:14 |
| xtc944 | i did send all the evidence to the fbi nbi scottland yard microsoft ,,i think he is also protected by philippines gov | Jan 18 04:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | xtc944: walk to the nearest US base with all your evidence. | Jan 18 04:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | xtc944: everyone knows the US Army is incorruptible | Jan 18 04:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | xtc944: unlike your mom | Jan 18 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | Mexico, you pay the police and they look the other way | Jan 18 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | the Philippines, you get away with it without bribing the cops | Jan 18 04:16 |
| xtc944 | us army? great idea,may it it helps | Jan 18 04:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | xtc944: enlist, at the same time. | Jan 18 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | most of them are underpaid, overworked, and hardly have state of the art forensics | Jan 18 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | xtc944: You get US citizenship after so many years | Jan 18 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | Mexicans do it all the time | Jan 18 04:17 |
| xtc944 | im a german | Jan 18 04:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: have you been following this case? http://news.google.ca/news/more?um=1&cf=all&ned=ca&cf=all&ncl=dnw2SSMG4Ru6KkM8ltev_4jM4FhxM | Jan 18 04:18 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Back to basics for journalists coveri... - Google News .::. Size~: 57.99 KB | Jan 18 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | the military is more like "Give me your tired, your poor, your hungry" than the rest of the US is | Jan 18 04:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | xtc944: oh shit, the US is at war with Germany. | Jan 18 04:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | xtc944: better pick a different occupier | Jan 18 04:18 |
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| DaemonFC | they mainly nab immigrants and unemployed US youth | Jan 18 04:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | xtc944: pretend you're Swedish | Jan 18 04:19 |
| *Barry has quit (Client Quit) | Jan 18 04:19 | |
| FurnaceBoy | xtc944: you'll get VIP treatment at the base | Jan 18 04:19 |
| xtc944 | yes im here on minadanao,, | Jan 18 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7053507654251552541# | Jan 18 04:20 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Swedish Chef -Flappen Jacken Hooten! .::. Size~: 36.22 KB | Jan 18 04:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | xtc944: in fact, if you show up dressed as a woman, they'll take you more seriously and treat you nicer | Jan 18 04:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | xtc944: might even give you money | Jan 18 04:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | xtc944: they believe women more than men | Jan 18 04:20 |
| xtc944 | hehehe,,,great idea,,,but you have no idea whats going here | Jan 18 04:21 |
| ender2070 | batman! | Jan 18 04:21 |
| ender2070 | http://www.fark.com/cgi/go.pl?i=4945229&l=http://www.nwfdailynews.com/news/mug-24823-arrested-panama.html%3Futm_source%3Dtwitterfeed%26utm_medium%3Dtwitter | Jan 18 04:21 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting text/plain type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 18 04:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | xtc944: don't ask, don't tell | Jan 18 04:21 |
| ender2070 | http://www.nwfdailynews.com/news/mug-24823-arrested-panama.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter | Jan 18 04:21 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: 'Batman' arrested for burglary (MUG) | mug, arrested, panama - News - Northwest Florida Daily News .::. Size~: 54.18 KB | Jan 18 04:21 |
| xtc944 | they are selling brand new computers with conficker infection | Jan 18 04:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | xtc944: that's cool! | Jan 18 04:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | xtc944: worse, they have Windows | Jan 18 04:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | xtc944: can you tell me who poisoned Litvinenko ? | Jan 18 04:22 |
| xtc944 | yes all installed with pirated windows or inficted by there own networks | Jan 18 04:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | xtc944: did you hear the NSA has a backdoor in your mom? | Jan 18 04:23 |
| xtc944 | yes i saw this backdoor | Jan 18 04:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | xtc944: you ever use it? | Jan 18 04:25 |
| xtc944 | hahahaha,,did you? | Jan 18 04:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | xtc944: wouldn't go near it. | Jan 18 04:26 |
| xtc944 | ok,,thanks,,i will try to go to a us base,,,may they will help | Jan 18 04:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | xtc944: take some beads | Jan 18 04:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | xtc944: and string | Jan 18 04:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | xtc944: they're always short | Jan 18 04:27 |
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| FurnaceBoy | damn, i wouldn't mind knowing who poisoned Litvinenko. | Jan 18 04:29 |
| oiaohm | Virus infected items is nothing strange. | Jan 18 04:34 |
| oiaohm | People forget about the infected photo frames and the many others before. | Jan 18 04:34 |
| ender2070 | lol http://www.leaderpost.com/Manitoba+tells+teachers+lower+marks+late+assignments/2444936/story.html | Jan 18 04:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's all part of the Windows Experience(TM) | Jan 18 04:34 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Manitoba tells teachers not to lower marks for late assignments .::. Size~: 83.47 KB | Jan 18 04:34 |
| oiaohm | That would have improved my grades in school a lot ender2070 | Jan 18 04:39 |
| oiaohm | Lot of my assignments were late due to illness yet I still took a hit on marks ender2070 | Jan 18 04:40 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jan 18 04:54 |
| oiaohm | living in a town that grows in large numbers a plant I was aleric to really did not help my schooling. | Jan 18 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know why this Massachusetts senate race is all over the news | Jan 18 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | if a Republican wins that seat, I will boil my shoes and eat them | Jan 18 04:56 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Australia has banned Rated R movie... covers. Wait, what? http://ur1.ca/k2wo #douchebags | Jan 18 04:56 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Industry alarm at R-rated cover-up | The Australian .::. Size~: 46.96 KB | Jan 18 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | Massachusetts legalized pot | Jan 18 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | they were the only state to vote against Nixon | Jan 18 04:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: awesome | Jan 18 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | they kept Kennedy in that seat for like four decades | Jan 18 04:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I'll remember that | Jan 18 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | they are not a Republican state, and being a Republican there is signing your own death warrant | Jan 18 04:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: Nixon was a more toxic mutant monster than most people realise | Jan 18 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: Nixon was egotistical and stupid | Jan 18 04:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: worse | Jan 18 04:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: like i say -- the reality is much worse than the popular image of nixon | Jan 18 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | his illegal raid on the Democrats headquarters in DC was just boneheaded | Jan 18 04:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: that was a relatively small crime of his | Jan 18 04:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: but of course, what he's best known for | Jan 18 04:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: Kissinger was no better than Nixon either | Jan 18 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: I doubt Watergate was half of the illegal corrupt bullshit he was doing | Jan 18 04:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: they competed to see whose psychosis was more corrupt | Jan 18 04:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: a tiny fraction | Jan 18 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | the reason he got exposed was cause he declared war on the other major US party | Jan 18 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | usually they cover for each other, but not when their offices are being illegally raided :P | Jan 18 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | that's where it stops | Jan 18 05:00 |
| Eruaran | crunchbang looks cool | Jan 18 05:00 |
| Eruaran | I might download it | Jan 18 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | Wasn't that Ubuntu with E17 or something? | Jan 18 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | Openbox.......You're serious? | Jan 18 05:01 |
| Eruaran | something light | Jan 18 05:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: WORSE? | Jan 18 05:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude | Jan 18 05:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | nixon is the only president in recent history that can actually be called a traitor | Jan 18 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | do you need some expanded memory for your 286? | Jan 18 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | or are you a masochist with a nice PC? | Jan 18 05:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | he was unofficially thrown out of office | Jan 18 05:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | it was a race between him leaving office or him being impeached | Jan 18 05:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | and if he would have been impeached he would have been thrown in jail | Jan 18 05:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | without question | Jan 18 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | his VP, Spiro Agnew, resigned over corruption too | Jan 18 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | before Nixon | Jan 18 05:04 |
| Eruaran | I'm thinking of using it for servicing as a live cd or usb | Jan 18 05:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: right, but most people don't realise how utterly debased he was | Jan 18 05:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: they just know he was somehow bad | Jan 18 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | then Nixon named Gerald Ford as VP, then Nixon resigns | Jan 18 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | and Ford pardons Nixon immediately | Jan 18 05:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: and Kissinger wins Nobel Peace Prize. Which is even more offensive than Obama winning it. | Jan 18 05:05 |
| Eruaran | I still struggle to understand what Obama won it for | Jan 18 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: Kissinger winning it was disgusting | Jan 18 05:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: understatement | Jan 18 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | such a vile, contemptible asshole | Jan 18 05:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: war criminal along with it | Jan 18 05:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: will never be accountable, but at least can no longer visit France :D | Jan 18 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | Nobel Prizes never go to anyone that deserves them | Jan 18 05:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: ...or many other countries which upload law | Jan 18 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | Al Gore got one for the global warming bullshit | Jan 18 05:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | uphold* | Jan 18 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | Obama got one for not doing anything at all | Jan 18 05:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | perpetuating war. | Jan 18 05:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: dude, they could see.... Nixon | Jan 18 05:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | the new movie | Jan 18 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | so Obama was probably the least corrupt Nobel Prize decision in decades | Jan 18 05:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | that was out last year | Jan 18 05:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a pretty good dramatization of it | Jan 18 05:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: I doubt that goes far enough in the depiction | Jan 18 05:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: but they could, yes. | Jan 18 05:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | the guy who plays him is _perfect_ | Jan 18 05:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: too much focus on Watergate on not enough on the worse stuff he did | Jan 18 05:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | and* | Jan 18 05:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: yeah... Frank whatsisname | Jan 18 05:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: well, its about watergate | Jan 18 05:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: i was impressed by the reviews | Jan 18 05:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, how he slithered out of it | Jan 18 05:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | nixon is fucking slimy | Jan 18 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | I trust Hollywood about as much as I trust the news and the state-sanctioned history books | Jan 18 05:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes a snake | Jan 18 05:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: yes. which is just such a tiny part of his evil | Jan 18 05:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | its the best part of his evil imo | Jan 18 05:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | its like hitler | Jan 18 05:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: i suppose it's hologrammatic. | Jan 18 05:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | why focus on anything but the end? | Jan 18 05:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: because there's a lot of relatively untold history | Jan 18 05:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: who reads Seymour Hersh these days? | Jan 18 05:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know hitler was evil his whole career | Jan 18 05:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | just skip through to the best parts | Jan 18 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: American news agencies do one of two things. Fail to report on something, or report and exaggerate to vilify and demonize a person who did little or nothing wrong. | Jan 18 05:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I know. | Jan 18 05:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | being outside the USA we experience "reporting parallax" :D | Jan 18 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | CNN fails to report, and isntead has Nancy Grace, the stupid cunt, talking about meaningless sideshow stories for hours on end | Jan 18 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | Fox News over reports, exagerrates, and spins otherwise real news | Jan 18 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | MSNBC has some reverse Rush Limbaughs | Jan 18 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 18 05:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | I know who you mean. Personae eventually overshadow everything. (heh Nixon) | Jan 18 05:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: everyone has DaemonFC on ignore, btw | Jan 18 05:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | overshadow responsibility | Jan 18 05:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: oh | Jan 18 05:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | but yeah, nixon did do a lot of shit | Jan 18 05:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | but its only fun for what he got caught for | Jan 18 05:12 |
| Eruaran | And oldie but a goodie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOh6Nh8w6f8 | Jan 18 05:12 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- BLIMPTV: MICROSOFT VISTA SUCKS .::. Size~: 158.6 KB | Jan 18 05:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | the story doesnt start until watergate | Jan 18 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | have you ever seen anything come out of Hollywood that's essentially an attack piece against a liberal? | Jan 18 05:13 |
| Eruaran | Jaws ? | Jan 18 05:13 |
| Eruaran | oh wait... | Jan 18 05:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | heheheh | Jan 18 05:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: very good | Jan 18 05:13 |
| Eruaran | :) | Jan 18 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | Fox News didn't do anything worse than any other news channel | Jan 18 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | they just skew everything in favor of the Republicans | Jan 18 05:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: they're not a news channel. that's the difference. | Jan 18 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | and attack Democrats 24/7 | Jan 18 05:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: how much do you know about Murdoch and his history? | Jan 18 05:14 |
| Eruaran | Fox News is like Xinhua | Jan 18 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | I know what I see on Fox News and I don't watch it | Jan 18 05:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you know it's owned by Murdoch, though? | Jan 18 05:15 |
| Eruaran | Everybody knows they're propagandizing for the party | Jan 18 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | I'm afraid I'll damage my expensive new TV set with flying objects | Jan 18 05:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: they're propagandizing for the ruling cabal. party doesn't enter into it | Jan 18 05:15 |
| Eruaran | Same thing ? | Jan 18 05:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: Elvis shot tvs, I was reminded recently. | Jan 18 05:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: not really | Jan 18 05:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: finally, a use for your gun! | Jan 18 05:15 |
| oiaohm | Murdoch vs packer run the australian media landscape for years. Then Murdoch migrated to the USA got USA cit and started working on taking over USA media. | Jan 18 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | I usually just practice on aluminum cans | Jan 18 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | cheap entertainment | Jan 18 05:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: you left out the whole "after destroying the media in the UK". | Jan 18 05:16 |
| Eruaran | Will the militias let foreigners join with them if they take up arms against the US Gov ? | Jan 18 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | you mean those drunken redneck militias? | Jan 18 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 18 05:17 |
| Eruaran | no | Jan 18 05:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: you do not want to cross that border | Jan 18 05:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: PARTICULARLY after the collapse internal to the US | Jan 18 05:17 |
| Eruaran | I mean the literate ones who testify before senate hearing committees and pwn the reps | Jan 18 05:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: get out now and stay out, is the only sane advice | Jan 18 05:17 |
| oiaohm | FurnaceBoy: Uk media was in a mess before Murdoch got there. | Jan 18 05:17 |
| Eruaran | reps = representatives not republicans | Jan 18 05:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: he can take most of the credit for its final destruction. | Jan 18 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | if the complete and total truth came out, there would be a fire sale on every elected office | Jan 18 05:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: he strangled it for years like a vile, poisonous toad. | Jan 18 05:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: then moved on to the US market, yes. | Jan 18 05:18 |
| Eruaran | FurnaceBoy, but I'm in the mood for a bit of civil war adventure ;) | Jan 18 05:18 |
| oiaohm | Mostly for money to fund the battle here in Australia between him and packer | Jan 18 05:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: death wish? :) | Jan 18 05:18 |
| Eruaran | FurnaceBoy, I'm bored | Jan 18 05:18 |
| Eruaran | :P | Jan 18 05:18 |
| oiaohm | Murdoch left australia due to regulators blocking him from owning areas out right. | Jan 18 05:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: he had considerable success in breaking down cross ownership law in the US | Jan 18 05:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: money talks louder there | Jan 18 05:19 |
| oiaohm | We have a growing public network here. So far its up to 15 channels. | Jan 18 05:19 |
| oiaohm | The goverment is wanting 30 in 5 years time if they can. | Jan 18 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | the government likes paying for news that favors it | Jan 18 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | calling it a public channel | Jan 18 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | or public radio | Jan 18 05:20 |
| oiaohm | ABC here ie the public has 2 radio and 3 tv inside australia. | Jan 18 05:21 |
| oiaohm | And out of the 3 tv only 1 runs news. | Jan 18 05:21 |
| DaemonFC | there's no real news if the government is controlling what you can tell or show to people | Jan 18 05:21 |
| DaemonFC | some governments jsut nationalize the news channels | Jan 18 05:22 |
| oiaohm | Note there are 4 other non goverment run free to air public channels that run news here. | Jan 18 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | others just work behind the scenes with outfits like the FCC | Jan 18 05:22 |
| oiaohm | That are owned by independant companies DaemonFC | Jan 18 05:22 |
| oiaohm | That is due to the rules layed down here. | Jan 18 05:23 |
| DaemonFC | might be privately owned, but you won't stay on the air if you piss the wrong people off | Jan 18 05:23 |
| oiaohm | The goverment channel runs a show called media watch. | Jan 18 05:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | public broadcasting ftw. | Jan 18 05:23 |
| oiaohm | That job is to check on how correct the reporting is. | Jan 18 05:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | bbc is going strong. | Jan 18 05:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | harper wants to kill cbc | Jan 18 05:24 |
| DaemonFC | I just find it funny that the government that lies to you can do it directly | Jan 18 05:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | i think he'll die first | Jan 18 05:24 |
| oiaohm | Yet it is tollerable for the other channels to pull the abc new appeart. | Jan 18 05:24 |
| DaemonFC | and nobody even bothers to notice or care | Jan 18 05:24 |
| oiaohm | Basically our free to air is a regulated blood bath. | Jan 18 05:24 |
| oiaohm | Each targeting each other failings. | Jan 18 05:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | hehe, and that funny head-to-head programming | Jan 18 05:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | 10.30: XENA MUDWRESTLES BUFFY ON 9 | Jan 18 05:25 |
| Eruaran | I'm not allowed to watch adult programming | Jan 18 05:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | 10.30: BUFFY MUDWRESTLES GRACE JONES ON 7 | Jan 18 05:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: omg how old are you? | Jan 18 05:26 |
| Eruaran | 38 | Jan 18 05:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: phew | Jan 18 05:26 |
| Eruaran | ;) | Jan 18 05:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: I'd hate to think we had a minor in here | Jan 18 05:26 |
| Eruaran | Grace Jones | Jan 18 05:26 |
| oiaohm | Also all our tv free to air also provide so much of there content over the internet. | Jan 18 05:26 |
| Eruaran | Wouldn't that be horror ? | Jan 18 05:26 |
| oiaohm | And it is regulated that way. | Jan 18 05:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: heheh | Jan 18 05:26 |
| Eruaran | Avatar: Dances With Wolves... and blue people. | Jan 18 05:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: free formats? | Jan 18 05:27 |
| oiaohm | flash and mp4 mostly FurnaceBoy | Jan 18 05:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | Dances with Taun Tauns. | Jan 18 05:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: amazing. | Jan 18 05:27 |
| Eruaran | lol | Jan 18 05:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: as is often discussed here, even the bbc can't get this right | Jan 18 05:27 |
| oiaohm | Hopefully we can push them onto html5 install of flash play back programs. | Jan 18 05:28 |
| Eruaran | Vote: Which is better, Avatar or Dances... | Jan 18 05:28 |
| oiaohm | instell/instead | Jan 18 05:28 |
| Eruaran | What does everyone think of Prism | Jan 18 05:29 |
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| Eruaran | That bad eh | Jan 18 05:30 |
| oiaohm | I have not seen Avatar yet. | Jan 18 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: The story is alright. | Jan 18 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | the SFX are beyond anything they've done before. | Jan 18 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | worth seeing | Jan 18 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | actually, the term special effects doesn't really apply anymore, being as how more than 80% of the movie is almost entirely done with them :P | Jan 18 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | still is plenty of eye candy | Jan 18 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: How is support of the RadeonHD 5000 series coming along on Linux? | Jan 18 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | I'll probably keep my 4670 for quite a while | Jan 18 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | at least another year | Jan 18 05:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@alykhansatchu He had relationships with Arab boys in Algeria. // Haha, thought you were talking about T.E. Lawrence for a minute #queer | Jan 18 05:43 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Does anybody read "The Seven Pillars of Wisdom" these days? #books | Jan 18 05:43 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @alykhansatchu http://bit.ly/5cJKA2 they said I was being arrested under the #Terrorism Act and produced a print-out of my @Twitter page | Jan 18 05:48 | |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC: What Rxxx class is that. DaemonFC | Jan 18 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | mine or the 5000? | Jan 18 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | mine is RV780 | Jan 18 05:52 |
| oiaohm | The 5000 | Jan 18 05:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @marklisanti Jim Cameron: "No one in this room gets nearly enough money or attention for doing what we love!" // gotta be sarcasm | Jan 18 05:53 | |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: No Rxxx numbers | Jan 18 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | they're all called Evergreen | Jan 18 05:54 |
| oiaohm | Evergreens are waiting on docs. | Jan 18 05:54 |
| oiaohm | But core is very close to R700 | Jan 18 05:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@johnderosa If anyone says that Kate Winslet plays for the other team, I am jumping out the window. // relax, she's straight..& married | Jan 18 05:55 | |
| DaemonFC | power consumption says that the 5000 series is the way to go | Jan 18 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | they consume way less power than the 4000 series | Jan 18 05:55 |
| oiaohm | Basically until basic mode setting docs are out how much of the r700 work directly applies will not be known on the evergreens. | Jan 18 05:56 |
| oiaohm | Ie sometime this month the mode setting docs for the evergreens will be out. | Jan 18 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | ATI open source support is lagging so far behind | Jan 18 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | it's better in the areas where it does work | Jan 18 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | texture corruption seems to be the biggest issue | Jan 18 05:57 |
| oiaohm | evergreen is most likely the chip set where the open source catch up at long last. | Jan 18 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | there's not much left to do to get the 4000 series working properly | Jan 18 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | I'm hoping the rest of the work gets done before Ubuntu 10.04 ships | Jan 18 05:58 |
| oiaohm | Other than mesa updates not much at all. | Jan 18 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | but I guess if it doesn't, I can use 10.04 and xorg-edgers repo | Jan 18 05:58 |
| oiaohm | Will not all be done before Ubuntu 10.04 | Jan 18 05:58 |
| oiaohm | Most likely by the one after DaemonFC | Jan 18 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | xorg-edgers will probably give 10.04 full 4000 series support | Jan 18 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | before 10.10 is out | Jan 18 05:59 |
| oiaohm | Ie mesa will not support full opengl 3.0 for Ubuntu 10.04 | Jan 18 05:59 |
| oiaohm | That is required to use that card to max DaemonFC | Jan 18 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | OpenGL 3.2 actually :) | Jan 18 05:59 |
| oiaohm | No internally is opengl 3.0 | Jan 18 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | but like I said, PPA's are probably Ubuntu's biggest asset | Jan 18 06:00 |
| oiaohm | The extra .2 is done in software. | Jan 18 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | you can retrofit anything onto an already released version of Ubuntu through a PPA | Jan 18 06:00 |
| oiaohm | Evergreen is opengl 3.2 internally. | Jan 18 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | that's what impresses me most of Ubuntu and Debian's package management | Jan 18 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | the apt sources are very readable even if you have to edit them directly | Jan 18 06:01 |
| DaemonFC | Yum sources in Fedora are kind of the opposite of that | Jan 18 06:01 |
| DaemonFC | and if you don't set the priorities, you can end up corrupting anything | Jan 18 06:02 |
| oiaohm | Evergreen is still supported by the ati closed source drivers at this stage. | Jan 18 06:03 |
| oiaohm | Hopefully it will be the last ATI closed source driver. | Jan 18 06:03 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the transition isn't going as smoothly as I'd hoped | Jan 18 06:04 |
| DaemonFC | would help if ATI was giving source or technical support | Jan 18 06:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @rww cunning of #Apple to require #Safari 4.0.3 to use #iTunes Store //that 1st 4% of browser share is the hardest ;-) #notQuiteMicrosoft | Jan 18 06:05 | |
| ender2070 | dumbass | Jan 18 06:05 |
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| DaemonFC | ender2070: pendejo | Jan 18 06:06 |
| oiaohm | They are DaemonFC | Jan 18 06:06 |
| DaemonFC | then there's the lawyers | Jan 18 06:07 |
| oiaohm | It is the legal department being a problem. | Jan 18 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | the entire thing stalls out waiting on them to agree to fork over documentation | Jan 18 06:07 |
| oiaohm | After evergreen the development and legal deparments will be working with each other in the design stage to make sure the docs and code gets out there. | Jan 18 06:08 |
| oiaohm | Lot of it has been what you call back log. | Jan 18 06:08 |
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| symbolset | You out there Roy? | Jan 18 06:08 |
| oiaohm | You think about all the docs that had to be cleared DaemonFC | Jan 18 06:08 |
| oiaohm | Just to get upto the R700 DaemonFC. Thank god it only has to be done once. | Jan 18 06:09 |
| DaemonFC | making sure they're not violating someone elses patents | Jan 18 06:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah | Jan 18 06:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | evergreen is the last arch that has that problem | Jan 18 06:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | AMD is rejecting any techs that are liabilities | Jan 18 06:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | just like all other AMD products | Jan 18 06:09 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] German government warns against using MS Explorer - lol http://tinyurl.com/y9bw63g | Jan 18 07:09 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] "I can hear the screaming girls already" - This is "taking candy from babies" on a commercial scale http://tinyurl.com/yjol2jw | Jan 18 07:11 | |
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| _goblin | morning! | Jan 18 07:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Im going to make sure I take May 1+2 off work for Oggcamp 10 in Liverpool. Maybe I will see you there? #linux #foss #oggcamp | Jan 18 08:01 | |
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| kecskebak | Good Morning | Jan 18 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | http://pastebin.com/f40c12473 | Jan 18 09:25 |
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| DaemonFC | I wrote a draft EULA for Internet Explorer with the German government's warning in mind | Jan 18 09:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] So whats faster/better? Kings Quest 3 in dosbox or ScummVM? Testing to find out! | Jan 18 09:29 | |
| DaemonFC | I guess I'll fill out my census *sigh* | Jan 18 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | nobody should want to see Texas getting any more seats than they should | Jan 18 09:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ThistleWeb Guy at market, bag in hand and a rather shifty look about him. ;) | Jan 18 09:33 | |
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| kecskebak | Been playing with Vala recently - has anyone else tried it? | Jan 18 09:58 |
| kecskebak | I never realised before that you could get it to output C Source code | Jan 18 09:58 |
| kecskebak | After I did that I wondered how the GPL would react to a company writing code in Vala but only releasing the C source code. It would be a pointless thing to do, but I just wondered. | Jan 18 09:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] So the fight is on ScummVM v Dosbox.... #linux #foss #gnu #free | Jan 18 10:01 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1953379_1953494_1954393,00.html?iid=tsmodule | Jan 18 10:06 |
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| DaemonFC | "You're less corrupt than our government, come take over the country" | Jan 18 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | lulz | Jan 18 10:07 |
| trmanco | http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/aqtvx/microsoft_blatantly_hung_up_on_us_so_this_is_how/ | Jan 18 10:23 |
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| cubezzz | don't use doze | Jan 18 10:25 |
| cubezzz | don't be.... a dozer | Jan 18 10:25 |
| cubezzz | :) | Jan 18 10:25 |
| cubezzz | and actually calling Microsoft is pointless | Jan 18 10:28 |
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| DaemonFC | cubezzz: My dad got fed up with it when he went to add some hardware and Windows, Office, and Plus for XP all deactivated themselves | Jan 18 10:30 |
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| DaemonFC | and Microsoft agreed to reactivate Windows, but it wouldn't take the code | Jan 18 10:30 |
| cubezzz | my Dad is on Fedora now | Jan 18 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | so he had to clean install it | Jan 18 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | he got it and Office reactivated, but they wouldn't do anything about Plus | Jan 18 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | and he had to start from scratch | Jan 18 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | so he just gave up there and loaded OpenSuse | Jan 18 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: They say the bug only affects XP | Jan 18 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | and XP is barely supported now | Jan 18 10:32 |
| cubezzz | aside from all the philosophical reasons, I don't touch windows because it is bloated and slow | Jan 18 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | the next version of IE won't run on XP, Microsoft policy won't allow it | Jan 18 10:33 |
| cubezzz | did you know I wrote an evaluton of windows 2.0? | Jan 18 10:33 |
| cubezzz | back in the 80's | Jan 18 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | I've never used 2.0 | Jan 18 10:34 |
| cubezzz | basically I said "not recommended" :) | Jan 18 10:34 |
| cubezzz | didn't handle serial communications well, and it was slow | Jan 18 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | I do think it's shitty of them to not still offer security patches they write for Porfessional to Home customers | Jan 18 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | like when Vista Home reaches 5 years, that's it | Jan 18 10:34 |
| cubezzz | Unix should have won, but I guess marketing trumped quality | Jan 18 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | even though they still have to write patches for Pro | Jan 18 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | or, Business | Jan 18 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | Business goes on getting support for the full 10 years | Jan 18 10:35 |
| cubezzz | people will use what they see in marketing | Jan 18 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | Home users are left unsupported, and even if the security bug of doom is uncovered, Microsoft will deny access to a patch they wrote for Business | Jan 18 10:35 |
| cubezzz | they can't really fix those problems | Jan 18 10:36 |
| cubezzz | really Microsoft should reboot itself | Jan 18 10:36 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: so you run into why I hate OEM versions of XP compared to volume licence. | Jan 18 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | my dad says he figures some of those security problems are really back doors | Jan 18 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | they close them as the public finds out about them | Jan 18 10:36 |
| oiaohm | No there is a great backdoor | Jan 18 10:36 |
| oiaohm | Called windows update. | Jan 18 10:37 |
| oiaohm | You really don't need any others to access data in the machine. | Jan 18 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, if you have auto updates turned on, they can slip all kinds of nasty things in | Jan 18 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | WGA for example | Jan 18 10:37 |
| cubezzz | Linux is a meritocracy \meritocracy\ n. | Jan 18 10:37 |
| cubezzz | 1. A form of social system in which power goes to those with | Jan 18 10:37 |
| cubezzz | superior intellects. | Jan 18 10:37 |
| oiaohm | Even if it turned off windows update still checks with server DaemonFC | Jan 18 10:37 |
| cubezzz | ugh, that does sound a wee bit conceited :) | Jan 18 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | to do what? | Jan 18 10:38 |
| oiaohm | Exactly the question I ask DaemonFC | Jan 18 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | people who crack Windows usualyl turn off Windows Update to prevent poison pills from getting in | Jan 18 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | but that also means that they aren't getting security patches | Jan 18 10:39 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft hides activation crack killers in updates that say they're for something else | Jan 18 10:39 |
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| DaemonFC | so some of those patches actually scan your system for a list of cracks and rip them out if they find them | Jan 18 10:39 |
| oiaohm | I have even seen it happing when I have been running a Windows Server Update Services. Ie all clients in network are ment to ask for updates from wsus and not ask the internet. | Jan 18 10:40 |
| oiaohm | Those patches don't scan DaemonFC | Jan 18 10:40 |
| cubezzz | I don't get "security updates" on this box either | Jan 18 10:40 |
| oiaohm | They reinstall the activation software DaemonFC | Jan 18 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | they have a list of things to look for and remove | Jan 18 10:41 |
| oiaohm | So undoing lot of the cracks. | Jan 18 10:41 |
| oiaohm | They do scan on particular patches for wine | Jan 18 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | to do some kind of bogus fail if you're just trying to use them on Wine for a file or two | Jan 18 10:42 |
| oiaohm | no they give a good mesuage. | Jan 18 10:43 |
| oiaohm | Not a genunie version of windows | Jan 18 10:43 |
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| oiaohm | Even on windows systems with just wined3d installed on windows for direct x inside a virtual machine. | Jan 18 10:44 |
| oiaohm | all they are checking to see if the system is wine or not is if the wine registry key is there DaemonFC | Jan 18 10:44 |
| oiaohm | Basically MS scanning for stuff is false postive centeral. | Jan 18 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | why have a Wine registry key? | Jan 18 10:45 |
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| kecskebak | Why have a registry? I've never understood that. | Jan 18 10:46 |
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| DaemonFC | kecskebak: Ask GNOME that | Jan 18 10:47 |
| kecskebak | I know - they are doing really stupid things these days | Jan 18 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | they've been entertaining the idea of adding one now and then | Jan 18 10:47 |
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| kecskebak | Well, they do "women outreach" ;) | Jan 18 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | kecskebak: On Windows it was only originally supposed to be for Windows and Windows accessories | Jan 18 10:47 |
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| kecskebak | I'm waiting for the "labrador retriever outreach" | Jan 18 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | then more and more stuff started using it too | Jan 18 10:47 |
| kecskebak | Is it's set up deliberately opaque? | Jan 18 10:48 |
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| DaemonFC | I don't fully understand it, but there are apparently a few good reasons to have one | Jan 18 10:49 |
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| DaemonFC | one being that if your system goes down, you're less likely to lose program settings data | Jan 18 10:49 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Wined3d and other wine parts run on windows | Jan 18 10:49 |
| oiaohm | So it makes sence to store particular settings in regiestry. | Jan 18 10:49 |
| oiaohm | Wine own registry files are just text files not the MS binary evil. | Jan 18 10:50 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Developers Prefer #GNU #Linux http://www.informationweek.com/news/development/architecture-design/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=222301008 | Jan 18 10:51 | |
| kecskebak | The trouble is, on Windows if you're system goes down because the registry is corrupted | Jan 18 10:51 |
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| kecskebak | Aaargh - I can't use apostrophes this morning | Jan 18 10:51 |
| kecskebak | I must go and get some more coffee... | Jan 18 10:51 |
| oiaohm | kecskebak: its more common for windows to mis placed the complete config directory. | Jan 18 10:51 |
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| oiaohm | Until you run a chkdsk and it comes back. | Jan 18 10:52 |
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| oiaohm | The complete idea that NTFS can mark a directory as having a bad write performed and windows not be able to recover is just completely sad. | Jan 18 10:53 |
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| kecskebak | I know the registry caused the sys admins no end of trouble at three of my previous employers | Jan 18 10:54 |
| oiaohm | Hmm schestowitz that person missed the .d directories in Linux. Allowing applications to alter other applications settings without shotting each other. | Jan 18 10:55 |
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| kecskebak | That was a great blog post but uses Comic Sans. I think Comic Sans should be listed as a crime against humanity alonog with Arial | Jan 18 10:56 |
| kecskebak | I'd like both typefaces lined up against a wall and shot | Jan 18 10:56 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Grows in #Healthcare http://ur1.ca/k3le http://ur1.ca/k3lf http://ur1.ca/k3lg | Jan 18 12:26 | |
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| phIRCe-local | Title: DSS, Inc. Announces Availability of vxVistA Open Source EHR - Announcements - vxVistA Community .::. Size~: 41.67 KB | Jan 18 12:26 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Open-Source Community Gears Up for 'Meaningful Use' Rules - iHealthBeat .::. Size~: 46.33 KB | Jan 18 12:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla Releases #Prism as #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/k3lk also see http://ur1.ca/k3ll | Jan 18 12:32 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Mozilla Prism web app desktop | Business 2.0 Press .::. Size~: 40.82 KB | Jan 18 12:32 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Firefox gets a visit from the future | The Download Blog - Download.com .::. Size~: 89 KB | Jan 18 12:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Monty Goes on "Save MySQL" World Tour http://www.adventuresinoss.com/?p=1300 | Jan 18 12:34 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MySQL Database Sparks #Copyright Debate http://www.adventuresinoss.com/?p=1300 | Jan 18 12:34 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.withinwindows.com/2010/01/02/microsoft-prepares-windows-7-for-external-sp1-testing/ | Jan 18 12:34 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft prepares Windows 7 for external SP1 testing - Within Windows .::. Size~: 39.18 KB | Jan 18 12:34 |
| DaemonFC | that was fast | Jan 18 12:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Monty Goes on "Save MySQL" World Tour http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60G1Z120100117 | Jan 18 12:35 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: MySQL founder turns to China, Russia to halt Oracle| Reuters .::. Size~: 53.95 KB | Jan 18 12:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Facebook Explains Its Commitment to #GNU #Linux and #FreeSoftware http://developers.facebook.com/news.php?blog=1&story=354 | Jan 18 12:36 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Facebook Developers | Building on our Commitment to Open Source Software .::. Size~: 22.93 KB | Jan 18 12:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Article 2.1 of Patent Law of Japan defines "invention" as a highly advanced creation of technical ideas by which a law of nature is utilized | Jan 18 12:50 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Penetrates Many Applications http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/programming-and-development/?p=2161#ViewPollResults | Jan 18 12:51 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] WIPO: Art 2.1 of Japan Patent Law defines "invention" as a creation of technical ideas by which a law of nature is utilized http://i5.be/akf | Jan 18 12:52 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Government in #Canada , #Montana Moving to #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/k3mx http://ur1.ca/k3my http://ur1.ca/k3mz | Jan 18 12:53 | |
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| phIRCe-local | Title: Open Source Promoted in New California Policy .::. Size~: 55.39 KB | Jan 18 12:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Expands in Middle East Through #Jordan http://ur1.ca/k3nj http://ur1.ca/k3nk | Jan 18 12:55 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Moves in #Europe Towards #FreeSoftware and #Standards http://ur1.ca/k3oo http://ur1.ca/k3op | Jan 18 12:57 | |
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| kecskebak | The Hungarian move is interesting - following the money it seems like utility companies pushed for it, after getting tired by getting shafted by licencing and vendor lock-in. | Jan 18 12:59 |
| kecskebak | I remember a similar thing happening in Computer Based Training (which I used to work in) when the aerospace companies got fed up of getting burned by software companies and set up the AICC | Jan 18 12:59 |
| kecskebak | Which dictated open standards for computer based training | Jan 18 13:00 |
| kecskebak | Eventually it led to things like SCORM and Moodle | Jan 18 13:00 |
| kecskebak | Nothing like this happens in Hungary without money behind it, so it seems MS didn't open their piggy bank enough. | Jan 18 13:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ATT Use #AstroTurf Against the Web http://ur1.ca/k3qm | Jan 18 13:01 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Internet (Self) #Censorship Added to #YouTube in #Italy http://ur1.ca/k2yz | Jan 18 13:01 | |
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| trmanco | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzg4OA | Jan 18 13:03 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple is Trying to Embargo Linux/Maemo Phones in the US http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10436415-37.html | Jan 18 13:03 | |
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| trmanco | wow | Jan 18 13:03 |
| trmanco | those are a lot of fetched titles :/ | Jan 18 13:03 |
| kecskebak | Yes, it gets quite hard to read sometimes. | Jan 18 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | one of my favorite movies was on last night :) | Jan 18 13:06 |
| DaemonFC | Walking Tall | Jan 18 13:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] United States Blackmails Costa Rica for #IntellectualMonopolies http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/4697/125/ #bananarepublic | Jan 18 13:06 | |
| DaemonFC | These SlotMusic cards are a joke | Jan 18 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | cheaper to buy the CD and rip it yourself | Jan 18 13:08 |
| oiaohm | http://www.itrunsonlinux.com/news/156-ubuntu-tweak-050 Starting to see what was happening in Windows 98 time frame with tweaking tools for Linux. | Jan 18 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | Linux in 1998, lulz | Jan 18 13:09 |
| DaemonFC | some people tried installing it, most were never heard from again | Jan 18 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | very sad | Jan 18 13:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin not really | Jan 18 13:10 | |
| DaemonFC | now it's even starting to overcome the problems with wifi and video card support | Jan 18 13:11 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: yes, there's Novell there too | Jan 18 13:11 |
| MinceR | strange, i've never heard of people disappearing because of installing linux | Jan 18 13:11 |
| schestowitz | "Lobbying" | Jan 18 13:11 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: are you sure this isn't just some m$ tale? :> | Jan 18 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: It used to be basically guaranteed that you would have no driver for your modem or ethernet | Jan 18 13:11 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Remember 98 was a time of a MS up swing in usage. | Jan 18 13:11 |
| MinceR | only if your modem is a winmodem | Jan 18 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | most were | Jan 18 13:11 |
| oiaohm | That lined up with people spending time making tweaking tools. | Jan 18 13:12 |
| MinceR | back then it was easy to get a real modem | Jan 18 13:12 |
| MinceR | i still have two :> | Jan 18 13:12 |
| DaemonFC | unless you wanted to go out and spend in excess of another $100 to get a modem with onboard DSP | Jan 18 13:12 |
| oiaohm | I was using Linux is my main development OS in 1998 | Jan 18 13:12 |
| DaemonFC | and even then, you better check what kind you can get | Jan 18 13:12 |
| MinceR | actually back when i got my modem DOS was most common :> | Jan 18 13:12 |
| MinceR | dos doesn't support winmodems :> | Jan 18 13:13 |
| oiaohm | Coming for the dos and unix areas Unix was not scary to a lot of people back then. | Jan 18 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | The first place to come along and offer DSL had no Linux support either | Jan 18 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | they only had these internal PCI DSL modems that had no Linux support at all | Jan 18 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | and it was that or dial up | Jan 18 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | Windows + DSL or Linux and dial up | Jan 18 13:14 |
| MinceR | i've never seen ISPs provide anything other than an external modem for DSL over here | Jan 18 13:14 |
| DaemonFC | *after finding a model it liked | Jan 18 13:14 |
| oiaohm | That is strange DaemonFC | Jan 18 13:14 |
| oiaohm | Lot of the 1998 time DSL was simple to get running on Linux. | Jan 18 13:14 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Until around 2002, there was no way you were getting Linux *and* broadband here | Jan 18 13:14 |
| oiaohm | Mostly caused by .com boom. And lack of budgets for windows. | Jan 18 13:15 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: i guess that's just one more way in which jesusland sucks | Jan 18 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Well, now it's obviously not a problem | Jan 18 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | you get on the phone and bite someone's fucking head off | Jan 18 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | and they activate the modem | Jan 18 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | and you're online | Jan 18 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | biting someone's fucking head off is free | Jan 18 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | I can do free | Jan 18 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 18 13:16 |
| MinceR | such barbaric circumstances | Jan 18 13:16 |
| cubezzz | umm | Jan 18 13:16 |
| MinceR | i never had to bite anyone's head off to activate my internet access | Jan 18 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: They're stupid | Jan 18 13:16 |
| oiaohm | The introduction of winmodems caused a lot of problems. | Jan 18 13:16 |
| cubezzz | I had to kind of yell at Bell a bit | Jan 18 13:16 |
| oiaohm | But that was dial up. | Jan 18 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | not just Comcast or AT&T support, most support lines have stupid people on the other end | Jan 18 13:16 |
| cubezzz | the DSLAM thing wasn't working :) | Jan 18 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | they don't know what you're asking them to do | Jan 18 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | even when you simplify it as if you were speaking to a 5 year old child | Jan 18 13:17 |
| cubezzz | then you aren't talking to the right person | Jan 18 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | you argue with them for 5-10 minutes, get transferred to a supervisor | Jan 18 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | supervisor doesn't understand, but activates your modem anyway to shut you up | Jan 18 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | that's the gist of setting up Comcast or AT&T when you can't run their Windows-based activation software | Jan 18 13:18 |
| cubezzz | I would find an alternative then | Jan 18 13:19 |
| cubezzz | as I did | Jan 18 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't exist | Jan 18 13:19 |
| oiaohm | So you never bought your own modem out right DaemonFC | Jan 18 13:19 |
| oiaohm | That mostly avoided that problem. | Jan 18 13:19 |
| cubezzz | there's always an alternative :) | Jan 18 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | I could do satellite if I wanted to pay triple and get 1/10th the bandwidth | Jan 18 13:19 |
| cubezzz | remember my suggestion of getting DSL from a freeenet? | Jan 18 13:20 |
| DaemonFC | I could do wireless if I wanted to pay about the same but only get 1/8th the bandwidth | Jan 18 13:20 |
| oiaohm | Ie thrid party modem there software was paper weight so had to provide the information to set modem up manually DaemonFC | Jan 18 13:20 |
| cubezzz | surely the US has 3rd party DSL providers | Jan 18 13:20 |
| oiaohm | Lot of times I would just plain out lie. | Jan 18 13:20 |
| DaemonFC | I've researched my options and believe it or not, most are worse than Comcast or AT&T | Jan 18 13:20 |
| oiaohm | Just to avoid the front desk idiots. | Jan 18 13:20 |
| DaemonFC | which is unnerving | Jan 18 13:20 |
| cubezzz | btw, I own my own DSL modem, I have several in fact | Jan 18 13:20 |
| cubezzz | Ovislink | Jan 18 13:21 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSLAM | Jan 18 13:21 |
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| DaemonFC | I've stayed with Comcast mainly cause 12 mbps cable and 100 channels of TV are about the same price as 6 mbps dsl and the mandatory landline telephone | Jan 18 13:22 |
| cubezzz | I bet comcast doesn't let you run your own server | Jan 18 13:22 |
| DaemonFC | in other words, Comcast is the least of the evils | Jan 18 13:22 |
| cubezzz | unless you pay more $$$ of course | Jan 18 13:22 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: You're not supposed to, technically | Jan 18 13:23 |
| DaemonFC | they do things to roadblock you | Jan 18 13:23 |
| oiaohm | For good reason. | Jan 18 13:23 |
| oiaohm | Cable and servers are really not compadible. | Jan 18 13:23 |
| DaemonFC | like if I've been sustaining my full bandwidth for an hour, they throttle it to half | Jan 18 13:23 |
| DaemonFC | they block ports | Jan 18 13:23 |
| DaemonFC | that kind of stuff | Jan 18 13:23 |
| DaemonFC | 250 GB cap | Jan 18 13:24 |
| oiaohm | Sharing a cable equals no other option. | Jan 18 13:24 |
| DaemonFC | if I go over 250 GB a month twice in a row, they can kill my service | Jan 18 13:24 |
| cubezzz | yeah, I don't use cable at all | Jan 18 13:24 |
| DaemonFC | I've almost made it to 200 a few times | Jan 18 13:25 |
| cubezzz | I have UHF antenna and DSL | Jan 18 13:25 |
| DaemonFC | never hit the cap though | Jan 18 13:25 |
| cubezzz | 250 GB is a lot | Jan 18 13:25 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Yep, one good thing about the ISPs in "Jesus Land" I guess | Jan 18 13:25 |
| cubezzz | what are you doing, torrenting 24/7? :) | Jan 18 13:25 |
| DaemonFC | no Rogers "You get 20 GB and then we rip a bunch of money out of your ass" bullshit | Jan 18 13:26 |
| DaemonFC | among other things | Jan 18 13:26 |
| DaemonFC | the DOCSIS 2.0 modem I had kept getting overloaded | Jan 18 13:26 |
| cubezzz | there's no Rogers in the USA is there? | Jan 18 13:26 |
| DaemonFC | and crashing | Jan 18 13:26 |
| DaemonFC | they had to give me a DOCSIS 3 modem | Jan 18 13:27 |
| DaemonFC | no, there isn't | Jan 18 13:27 |
| DaemonFC | enough online bitching about them made me curious enough to look into what they charge | Jan 18 13:27 |
| DaemonFC | makes me glad to have Comcast | Jan 18 13:28 |
| DaemonFC | there's some really bad deals near here though | Jan 18 13:28 |
| cubezzz | well I don't watch much television | Jan 18 13:28 |
| DaemonFC | Time Warner, in the next town over has the cable monopoly there | Jan 18 13:28 |
| cubezzz | just WNED mostly | Jan 18 13:28 |
| DaemonFC | their cap is only 45 GB before you pay more | Jan 18 13:28 |
| DaemonFC | they want people to pay broadband prices and use it like dial up | Jan 18 13:29 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 18 13:29 |
| oiaohm | Nasty. | Jan 18 13:29 |
| oiaohm | Most of our broardband here is shaped. | Jan 18 13:29 |
| cubezzz | at least there's no ISP owned by Gates | Jan 18 13:30 |
| cubezzz | I think | Jan 18 13:30 |
| cubezzz | question, which ISP was the first? | Jan 18 13:31 |
| schestowitz | Military | Jan 18 13:31 |
| cubezzz | I mean for home use though | Jan 18 13:31 |
| schestowitz | Before it was put in the hands of corps | Jan 18 13:32 |
| cubezzz | the first home ISP | Jan 18 13:32 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft use to have a stake in comcast until 2009 | Jan 18 13:32 |
| cubezzz | http://zooid.org/~vid/io/short_history_of_io.html | Jan 18 13:32 |
| cubezzz | admin.dis.on.ca was my first host | Jan 18 13:34 |
| cubezzz | early 1996 | Jan 18 13:34 |
| schestowitz | yes, i know | Jan 18 13:36 |
| schestowitz | They still have partnerships with comcast | Jan 18 13:36 |
| schestowitz | and comcast got msnbc | Jan 18 13:36 |
| cubezzz | I know in the 80's we had uucp | Jan 18 13:38 |
| rnb | howdy | Jan 18 13:41 |
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| rnb | FurnaceBoy! | Jan 18 13:41 |
| rnb | bom dia .. flor do dia! | Jan 18 13:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: bom dia! | Jan 18 13:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: tudo bem ai? | Jan 18 13:45 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] With #Mono Clearly on Microsoft’s Side, Another Call for #Ubuntu to Move Mono to ‘Restricted’ http://ur1.ca/k42h | Jan 18 13:58 | |
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| cubezzz | "I had a registration page - static content basically. The only thing that was dynamic was that it was referred to by many pages on the site with a variable in the querystring. Bing decided that it needed check on this one page *thousands* of time per day. | Jan 18 14:00 |
| cubezzz | They ignored robots.txt." | Jan 18 14:00 |
| MinceR | if bingo ignores robots.txt, that should be publicized widely | Jan 18 14:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | its already on slashdot | Jan 18 14:01 |
| MinceR | oh, ok | Jan 18 14:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | how more widely do you want? | Jan 18 14:01 |
| MinceR | i suppose it will spread then :> | Jan 18 14:01 |
| MinceR | perhaps it's time to start filtering bingo user agents/ip ranges | Jan 18 14:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | well | Jan 18 14:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | if people used attack mitigation hardware more often | Jan 18 14:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | this would already be done | Jan 18 14:02 |
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| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: it's been in headlines for about a week. | Jan 18 14:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: but /. should get some major eyeballs | Jan 18 14:04 |
| cubezzz | I see more bot traffic than anything else | Jan 18 14:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: when I read it ignored robots.txt I can't say I was surprised | Jan 18 14:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: had a sort of "yeah figures" to it. Dumbasses. | Jan 18 14:05 |
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| MinceR | sounds like suicide for a web search engine to me | Jan 18 14:06 |
| MinceR | s/engine/service/ | Jan 18 14:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | i don't care how they kill themselves, just get it over quickly :) | Jan 18 14:07 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jan 18 14:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, slow and painful works too i guess. | Jan 18 14:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | haha | Jan 18 14:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | (for them) | Jan 18 14:08 |
| MinceR | in the case of m$, slow and painful tends to also be painful for the rest of the world | Jan 18 14:11 |
| MinceR | so i'd prefer fast and painful | Jan 18 14:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Jan 18 14:11 |
| Eruaran | One of my favorite YouTube clips: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dhkm6sgPdtk&feature=related | Jan 18 14:28 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] BBC: Bill Gates a “Famous Thief”? http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/18/grooming-of-bill-gates/ | Jan 18 14:31 | |
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| MinceR | http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1343.html | Jan 18 14:31 |
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| cubezzz2 | yeah Kildall kind of missed the boat | Jan 18 14:40 |
| cubezzz2 | he still was a pretty rich guy though | Jan 18 14:40 |
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| Eruaran | MrStalworth: not funny at all... want my 3:46 of my life back i've been bamboozeled | Jan 18 14:57 |
| Eruaran | asdfghjklkjhgfdsa555 (1 month ago) Show Hide | Jan 18 14:57 |
| Eruaran | 0 | Jan 18 14:57 |
| Eruaran | Marked as spam | Jan 18 14:57 |
| Eruaran | Reply | Spam | Jan 18 14:57 |
| Eruaran | @MrStalworth no? you will only waste it again | Jan 18 14:57 |
| Eruaran | oops | Jan 18 14:57 |
| Eruaran | well... you get the idea | Jan 18 14:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Disaster Capitalism and #Microsoft http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/18/microsoft-takes-perl-down/ | Jan 18 15:01 | |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: did it just made you fall off like tha? | Jan 18 15:39 |
| schestowitz | There was a freenode bug or something yesterday | Jan 18 15:39 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] R.E.M.O remo remo.... :P | Jan 18 15:41 | |
| DaemonFC | http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/01/15/haiti-earthquake-stewart-limbaugh-robertson/ | Jan 18 15:41 |
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| kecskebak | Great post on Ubuntu on Boycott Novell | Jan 18 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | (mocking Pat Robertson) "Gee, this all might not have happened if they hadn't eaten so many pop rocks and soda pop" | Jan 18 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 18 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | I like Jon Stewart | Jan 18 15:44 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 18 15:45 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: yes it just "fell off" | Jan 18 15:45 |
| MinceR | iirc there was a ctcp flood by botnet | Jan 18 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | in hour darkest hour, in the worst times of crisis, when human suffering can't even be gauged...... | Jan 18 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | always count on an evangelical Christian moron to come say something insensitive and retarded | Jan 18 15:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | ...and get over-reported | Jan 18 15:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | why do they even get airplay :/ | Jan 18 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: They own their own network and pay the cable and satellite companies to carry them | Jan 18 15:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | but at least Robertson illuminated his mindset very clearly. explains a lot. | Jan 18 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | they can't be fired no matter how ridiculous they are | Jan 18 15:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | there are no "natural disasters", in his view. | Jan 18 15:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | he defines God in his own image. | Jan 18 15:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | God is his avatar | Jan 18 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: It's always something pissed off God | Jan 18 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | so he killed 100,000 people | Jan 18 15:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | "I hate blacks... therefore God punishes them as I wish." | Jan 18 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | old testament God | Jan 18 15:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | "Whatever-I-want-God-to-be God." | Jan 18 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | the evangelicals get their rocks off by worshipping the old testament God | Jan 18 15:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | no, it's not old testament God. | Jan 18 15:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's "God in My Image." | Jan 18 15:48 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: it said "Excess Flood" | Jan 18 15:48 |
| Eruaran | Pat Robertson is a Christian ? | Jan 18 15:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: he's not using the text. He's defining God as "what I want him to be". | Jan 18 15:49 |
| MinceR | 164521 < FurnaceBoy> why do they even get airplay :/ | Jan 18 15:49 |
| MinceR | welcome to jesusland | Jan 18 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Old Testament God sent the excess flood | Jan 18 15:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: right. | Jan 18 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | to punish the IRC wicked | Jan 18 15:49 |
| MinceR | controlled by nutjobs like those | Jan 18 15:49 |
| schestowitz | [15:45] <MinceR> iirc there was a ctcp flood by botnet | Jan 18 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Ah, I see.... | Jan 18 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: Whips up his fanatical followers | Jan 18 15:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: but importantly: No "natural" disasters. For Robertson there is no Nature at all, in fact. | Jan 18 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | gets them to send in money | Jan 18 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Some people believe them | Jan 18 15:49 |
| schestowitz | That's the scary part | Jan 18 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | gives him a sexual rush that he can control people by angering them | Jan 18 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | and directing their anger | Jan 18 15:50 |
| schestowitz | They tell family and colleagues that Obama is Marxist, that gays caused 9/11, and Haiti got punished by the FSM | Jan 18 15:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I know how it works. I prefer to use his statement to help reveal his world, and how people like him fuck up our world. | Jan 18 15:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: in this sense, I found it very helpful. | Jan 18 15:50 |
| MinceR | they don't believe in the FSM | Jan 18 15:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: Christians just define God in whatever way is convenient personally. | Jan 18 15:50 |
| MinceR | they believe in YHWH instead | Jan 18 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I should go apologize to all the 9/11 survivors and widows and widowers and orphans | Jan 18 15:51 |
| schestowitz | YHWH? | Jan 18 15:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: God mimics his own prejudices and preferences. | Jan 18 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | God did all that to them cause of me, you see | Jan 18 15:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: tetragrammaton | Jan 18 15:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: unutterable, to jews | Jan 18 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | who he left alive and unharmed | Jan 18 15:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Yahweh, transliterated from hebrew | Jan 18 15:51 |
| Eruaran | I'm sure if someone showed the Apostle's a clip of Pat Robertson they'd be like, o_0 | Jan 18 15:52 |
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| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: quite so | Jan 18 15:52 |
| Eruaran | *Apostles | Jan 18 15:52 |
| MinceR | iirc the vowels in "Yahweh" are a speculation | Jan 18 15:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: I guess that was Stewart's point | Jan 18 15:52 |
| MinceR | nobody really knows what the vowels really are because they were forbidden to write down | Jan 18 15:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: transliteration, i would think. there would be a standard one for Hebrew? | Jan 18 15:52 |
| schestowitz | "unutterable" LOL | Jan 18 15:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: serious :) | Jan 18 15:52 |
| schestowitz | I have a weapon of suicide right there in my vocal chords | Jan 18 15:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: who cannot be named, blah blah blah | Jan 18 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | God killing other people because he hates me, including no doubt lots of his own followers.... | Jan 18 15:53 |
| schestowitz | I think it's the same for Muslims | Jan 18 15:53 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: iirc the standard characters are consonants only, there's an extra notation for vowels but they wrote the vowels of "Adonai" instead, which was supposed to be said instead. | Jan 18 15:53 |
| Eruaran | "unutterable" is like an M. Night Shyamalan thing | Jan 18 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | seems like a hell of a strategic strike | Jan 18 15:53 |
| Eruaran | "those of whom we do not speak" | Jan 18 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't it? | Jan 18 15:53 |
| schestowitz | Monty Python scene comes to mind | Jan 18 15:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's an irrational belief, what more do you want? :) | Jan 18 15:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you can leave it there | Jan 18 15:53 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: so it's like those mesopotamian languages where we don't really know what the vowels in names like "Nebuchadnezzar" were, we can only guess | Jan 18 15:53 |
| kecskebak | Reminds me of the old ladies who say "the doughnut in granny's greenhouse" instead of the toilet | Jan 18 15:53 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: what his name? | Jan 18 15:53 |
| schestowitz | "open Sesame"? | Jan 18 15:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: what's more interesting is how the seeds of this belief also produce all other kinds of destructive behaviour by believers. | Jan 18 15:54 |
| schestowitz | does the cave have voice recognition? | Jan 18 15:54 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 18 15:54 |
| Eruaran | I'm irrational | Jan 18 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: What I love is when the evangelical fucktards like Robertson make predictions and assign a date only 3-4 years in the future | Jan 18 15:54 |
| schestowitz | And how nice is it to know that your voice and thought is recorded? | Jan 18 15:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: but you probably make an effort. | Jan 18 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | it comes and passes and their prediction is proven false | Jan 18 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | but nobody questions them | Jan 18 15:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: christians don't have to, as they have defined "irrationality" as necessary to their identity | Jan 18 15:54 |
| schestowitz | I mean, were I to believe in ghosts/God/goblins, I'd assume I'm eavesdropped in the shower | Jan 18 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Imagine that | Jan 18 15:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: well, i dunnno, could be several out of Holy Grail | Jan 18 15:55 |
| schestowitz | People worry about their mere thoughts, tormented they could be fried ad infinitum in Hell | Jan 18 15:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: imagine the implications when you eliminate Nature from your understanding and substitute a God in your image. | Jan 18 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | they always have an answer prepared if anyone does ask why all their predictions are wrong | Jan 18 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | "God changed his mind and spared us" | Jan 18 15:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you get perversities like Bush ... holy war.. on the environment and infidels. | Jan 18 15:56 |
| Eruaran | ah the Bible says something about that | Jan 18 15:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: sure, but this is shamanism 101 | Jan 18 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | well, Christians also tell you that God never changes his mind | Jan 18 15:56 |
| schestowitz | Obama is not superstitious | Jan 18 15:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: try to go for the second order effects | Jan 18 15:56 |
| schestowitz | But in videos he pretends | Jan 18 15:56 |
| schestowitz | The community he stood for is very supertitious | Jan 18 15:56 |
| Eruaran | It's along the lines of, if they prophecy something and it doesn't happen, don't listen to the bastards | Jan 18 15:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: follow @BibleAlsoSays | Jan 18 15:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: eh? | Jan 18 15:57 |
| schestowitz | They actually do political debate over "who's more black" and "who's a better believer" | Jan 18 15:57 |
| Eruaran | yer | Jan 18 15:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: how does that work? | Jan 18 15:57 |
| Eruaran | uhmm | Jan 18 15:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: you pick the 'most reliable' religion based on stats? | Jan 18 15:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: it's not sports. | Jan 18 15:57 |
| Eruaran | I got an example | Jan 18 15:57 |
| Eruaran | Benny Hinn | Jan 18 15:57 |
| Eruaran | "Jesus will appear physically on this stage" | Jan 18 15:57 |
| cubezzz | so what happened? :) | Jan 18 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | you can never lose if you keep moving the goalpost back faster than anyone can run after it | Jan 18 15:57 |
| Eruaran | Nothing | Jan 18 15:58 |
| cubezzz | ah bummer | Jan 18 15:58 |
| Eruaran | He made a lot of money though | Jan 18 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | that's what evangelical hate-mongering preachers thrive on | Jan 18 15:58 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: maybe they can add a corrigenda to the bible | Jan 18 15:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes, of course, can't we get past the stagecraft and basic charismatic crap? | Jan 18 15:58 |
| cubezzz | I like to think that thoughts = 5% of reality | Jan 18 15:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | what's more interesting is how this irrationality produces things like Bush/Boykin's holy war, but in particular Robertson's comments illuminated for me how Christians feel it's okay to destroy everything natural | Jan 18 15:59 |
| cubezzz | but not 100% :) | Jan 18 15:59 |
| Eruaran | Bush is a Christian ? | Jan 18 15:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: the usual kind | Jan 18 15:59 |
| Eruaran | I thought he was a Skull and Bones man | Jan 18 15:59 |
| cubezzz | it's kind of like if you think you are happy, you're happy | Jan 18 15:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: it's politically useful, plus he thinks he is a christian | Jan 18 15:59 |
| MinceR | are those mutually exclusive? | Jan 18 15:59 |
| cubezzz | if you think you're getting sick, you probably will get sick | Jan 18 15:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: in reality he is a stupid little alcoholic man, who should die in prison | Jan 18 16:00 |
| Eruaran | heh | Jan 18 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | That's why Wine will never be completely finished, it's why nobody will ever prove religion to be false, it's why you'll never finish paying off your debts | Jan 18 16:00 |
| Eruaran | debts ? | Jan 18 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | the rules say the bad guys can move the goal post back further than you can run after it | Jan 18 16:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: we don't even need to prove it false. we have proven it is destructive. | Jan 18 16:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: as did the French. Enlightenment, and all that. | Jan 18 16:00 |
| Eruaran | Human beings are destructive | Jan 18 16:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: yes, but we can make an effort, can't we? | Jan 18 16:01 |
| Eruaran | Lord Of The Flies, The Mist | Jan 18 16:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: of course we're all flawed and irrational. | Jan 18 16:01 |
| Eruaran | Basically insane | Jan 18 16:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: doesn't mean we just go around killing people we don't like, as Christians do | Jan 18 16:01 |
| Eruaran | they do ? | Jan 18 16:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: it's all about trying not to live up to the worst in our nature | Jan 18 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, there's people with psychopathic destructive tendencies, they're the ones that get pulled into religious fundamentalism | Jan 18 16:01 |
| cubezzz | no, it's more like sanity isn't permanent :) | Jan 18 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | they use their religion to beat people up with | Jan 18 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | and it makes them feel good | Jan 18 16:02 |
| Eruaran | So like, banning Christians from air travel lest they get out some box cutters ? | Jan 18 16:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: why not? | Jan 18 16:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: check your history | Jan 18 16:02 |
| Eruaran | Which century ? | Jan 18 16:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | any | Jan 18 16:02 |
| Eruaran | 20th ? | Jan 18 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | Cause you'll never get away with inconveniencing a group that makes up 80% of the US population | Jan 18 16:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | sure | Jan 18 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | as sickening as that is | Jan 18 16:03 |
| Eruaran | Bad choice | Jan 18 16:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: google Boykin Iraq | Jan 18 16:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: or for that matter, find Rumsfelds daily briefing slides to Bush | Jan 18 16:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: they're mostly pictures, for obvious reasons | Jan 18 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | and if you want to be very afraid, they're 80% only because they've gone down in the last 20 years | Jan 18 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | they were like 90% | Jan 18 16:04 |
| Eruaran | If I said I followed Gandhi's teachings | Jan 18 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | the churches have noticed the reduced profitability | Jan 18 16:04 |
| cubezzz | shouldn't the president be this really smart and competent person? | Jan 18 16:04 |
| cubezzz | I'm just saying ... :) | Jan 18 16:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: the president is just a spokesman | Jan 18 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | the Catholics are closing churches in unprofitable areas | Jan 18 16:04 |
| Eruaran | And then tortured people and did unspeakable things | Jan 18 16:04 |
| Eruaran | Would you believe I followed Gandhi ? | Jan 18 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | just like a business scuttling under performing locations | Jan 18 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | you'd think the property value of the neighborhoods in downtown Detroit would be going up | Jan 18 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | the churches are closing and being converted into crack dens | Jan 18 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 18 16:06 |
| cubezzz | yeah, that doesn't really sound like an improvement | Jan 18 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Depends on demographics | Jan 18 16:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: free enterprise | Jan 18 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | obviously crack cocaine is more in demand than the body of Christ | Jan 18 16:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: Americn way hehe | Jan 18 16:07 |
| cubezzz | oh boy :) | Jan 18 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | it's free market capitalism | Jan 18 16:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: if you can make money with it, it's A-OK | Jan 18 16:07 |
| *Eruaran reads about Boykin | Jan 18 16:07 | |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: find those powerpoints. | Jan 18 16:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Miserware (free software to make computers more power efficient) now available for Windows as well as Linux http://bit.ly/6Nlvcc | Jan 18 16:08 | |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: made by Rumsfeld's office for Bush every day | Jan 18 16:08 |
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| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: and there's another thing | Jan 18 16:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: Bush told Chirac on the phone that God ordered the Iraq invasion | Jan 18 16:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: this has been written up on the web too | Jan 18 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't vote for him | Jan 18 16:09 |
| cubezzz | There was a science survey a while back that seems almost unbelievable | Jan 18 16:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you don't vote for kings! | Jan 18 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not accepting responsibility for anything he did | Jan 18 16:09 |
| cubezzz | it said that most people don't know the earth revolves around the sun | Jan 18 16:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: no need to be defensive | Jan 18 16:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it would have happened no matter who voted what. obviously. | Jan 18 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | I don't see Al Gore as a warlord | Jan 18 16:10 |
| Eruaran | Somehow I don't think Boykin would have tagged along with Jesus disciples and listened to the Sermon on the Mount | Jan 18 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | a buffoon maybe | Jan 18 16:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: Florida. Harris. hanging chads. *koff* | Jan 18 16:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: "you don't vote for kings" | Jan 18 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: The part that disgusts me is that Al Gore got over 500,000 more votes than Bush and still lost | Jan 18 16:11 |
| cubezzz | Electoral College ftw :) | Jan 18 16:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: that;s how they roll down there in FL | Jan 18 16:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: ah, no. | Jan 18 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | I'm hoping the National Popular Vote Compact is ratified by enough states to de facto overthrow the Electoral College | Jan 18 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | it would still exist, but it would be effectively nullified | Jan 18 16:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | OH is still feeling apologetic ;-) | Jan 18 16:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | there's a whole site devoted to apologies | Jan 18 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | we need the NPVC badly | Jan 18 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | would have prevented Bush's illegal election tampering in 2000 from giving him the election | Jan 18 16:13 |
| Eruaran | Somehow I don't think people like Bush and Boykin believe in the same Jesus who said, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do" as he hung nailed to a Roman cross. I'm sure their version of the gospel would have marines descending from helecoper gunships to destroy all the sinners... | Jan 18 16:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | the US trains foreign operatives in election fraud. why is anyone surprised it's exercised at home. | Jan 18 16:13 |
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| DaemonFC | we need a few states that have a gigantic number of electoral votes to sign onto this | Jan 18 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | would get it into effect much more quickly | Jan 18 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | California and Texas ratifying it where it stands now would get it to 270 I think | Jan 18 16:14 |
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| DaemonFC | so far the only states ratifying it are the ones with like 3-4 votes | Jan 18 16:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Patents Roundup: Neelie Kroes and Microsoft Patents Revisited... http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/18/software-giants-vs-sharing/ | Jan 18 16:15 | |
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| DaemonFC | it'll never go into effect if that trend keeps up | Jan 18 16:15 |
| Eruaran | Somehow Microsoft manages to infect everything | Jan 18 16:16 |
| Eruaran | In the words of Agent Smith, "I am repulsed by it" | Jan 18 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | it would have been nice if it didn't have to wait for 270 and the states that signed onto it voted with the national popular vote results regardless | Jan 18 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | it would at least diminish the weight of the electoral college that way | Jan 18 16:16 |
| cubezzz | I'd say the world trent is to (at least start to) break away from Microsoft | Jan 18 16:17 |
| cubezzz | trend | Jan 18 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: For most purposes of a state government, it makes no sense to buy anything from Microsoft | Jan 18 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | but they do anyway | Jan 18 16:17 |
| Eruaran | It's worse than that here | Jan 18 16:17 |
| cubezzz | why give your money to rich predators? | Jan 18 16:18 |
| cubezzz | there's no reason | Jan 18 16:18 |
| rnb | hello again | Jan 18 16:18 |
| Eruaran | If you want a government grant for a software related project, Microsoft holds the funds, taxpayer funds the government gave to them | Jan 18 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Cause other people have and you now have to be compatible with what they use | Jan 18 16:19 |
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| cubezzz | I am compatible | Jan 18 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | it's a cycle of people buy it cause other people have it | Jan 18 16:19 |
| rnb | all of my attmpts to force san francisco to switch to FOSS have been stymied | Jan 18 16:19 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, thats a specious argument | Jan 18 16:20 |
| cubezzz | there was a time Microsoft didn't even exist | Jan 18 16:20 |
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| FurnaceBoy | another one to follow: | Jan 18 16:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://twitter.com/UnemployedBush/status/7909002724 | Jan 18 16:20 |
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| cubezzz | so clearly new influences are possible | Jan 18 16:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://twitter.com/RWRenfrew/status/7908828870 | Jan 18 16:21 |
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| rnb | i'm convinced it's because m$ gives kickbacks to decision-makers | Jan 18 16:21 |
| rnb | "come to our 'Getting the Most Out of Exchange in Your Enterprise' being held in Cancun this year" | Jan 18 16:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: bastante | Jan 18 16:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: "soft bribes"... easy and effective. | Jan 18 16:22 |
| rnb | "we'll pay for it" | Jan 18 16:22 |
| rnb | yep | Jan 18 16:22 |
| rnb | i've argued that the FOSS community should engage in "hard bribes" | Jan 18 16:22 |
| rnb | like, "we'll break your kneecaps unless you implement this foss migration plan" | Jan 18 16:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Jan 18 16:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | │ | Jan 18 16:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | [11:19:40] FurnaceBoy | http://twitter.com/RWRenfrew/status/7908828870 | Jan 18 16:23 |
| rnb | do you all know the story of how venezuela finally, REALLY committed to foss? | Jan 18 16:23 |
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| FurnaceBoy | oops | Jan 18 16:23 |
| rnb | it's a disturbing story | Jan 18 16:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://www.ohio.com/news/break_news/80921132.html | Jan 18 16:24 |
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| rnb | the story is in here: | Jan 18 16:24 |
| rnb | http://news.northxsouth.com/2008/11/18/protecting-sovereignty-with-free-software-is-a-good-idea-and-the-duty-of-governments-says-stallman/ | Jan 18 16:24 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Protecting sovereignty with free software is a good idea and the duty of governments, says Stallman : northxsouth : free software news from latin america .::. Size~: 26.85 KB | Jan 18 16:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | well I certainly agree with the title :) | Jan 18 16:25 |
| kecskebak | Reading the article, why use computers to count ballots at all? | Jan 18 16:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | kecskebak: ha! | Jan 18 16:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | kecskebak: I'm old enough to remember when votes were counted! | Jan 18 16:27 |
| Eruaran | I'm considering offering customers Mandriva Powerpack | Jan 18 16:27 |
| kecskebak | FurnaceBoy: They still should be. | Jan 18 16:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @Symbolman Think Chinese ever yell, "Godam #IKEA #CRAP!"? // Yes, now they do: http://www.thelocal.se/23538/20091128/ #china #greed | Jan 18 16:28 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | kecskebak: idealist! | Jan 18 16:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | kecskebak: the ruling cabal knows what's best | Jan 18 16:30 |
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| FurnaceBoy | kecskebak: otherwise they wouldn't be teh rulerz duh | Jan 18 16:31 |
| kecskebak | Oh yes, the Bilderberg Trilateral IMF BIS WTO club | Jan 18 16:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | kecskebak: not necessarily. | Jan 18 16:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | kecskebak: but anyway, voting machines are being rejected in some jurisdictions | Jan 18 16:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | kecskebak: at last | Jan 18 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | I found out what the deal was with those "slot radio" micro sd cards with the 1,000 songs was | Jan 18 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | the songs are on some proprietary part of the card that only the Sansa can read | Jan 18 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | you can't copy any of the music onto your PC | Jan 18 16:32 |
| rnb | the scary part of that story is how SAIC locked local workers out of oil drilling equipment | Jan 18 16:32 |
| kecskebak | Anyone tried gNewSense before? | Jan 18 16:32 |
| rnb | from some place in kansas or something, SAIC had remote control over the oil rigs in venezula | Jan 18 16:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | Dick Cheney's bunker! | Jan 18 16:33 |
| rnb | and SAIC is all tied up with the US Department of Defense | Jan 18 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: I liked that Marc Maron skit where he said that he figured Bush and Cheney would go live on the moon | Jan 18 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | bring a few extra harts for Dick | Jan 18 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | live up there in their Halliburton pods | Jan 18 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | *hearts | Jan 18 16:35 |
| Eruaran | I'm looking for the best KDE distro to offer noobs | Jan 18 16:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | somebody should begin a Kickstarter project to fire them into orbit in a plain metal box | Jan 18 16:36 |
| Eruaran | I'm looking at Mandriva again after many years | Jan 18 16:36 |
| Eruaran | *gasp* | Jan 18 16:36 |
| DaemonFC | the thought of a permanently inhabited rock at the cost of mere trillions of dollars just defies sanity | Jan 18 16:36 |
| MinceR | the last time i tried mandriva it had broken locale handling | Jan 18 16:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you expect sanity? | Jan 18 16:36 |
| DaemonFC | maybe I'm just alone in thinking that | Jan 18 16:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: pity, those trillions just went on killing ppl | Jan 18 16:36 |
| Eruaran | Is schestowitz in the house atm ? | Jan 18 16:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: i guess that's sane and defensible | Jan 18 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | 20% of the population is unemployed and living with relatives and under bridges | Jan 18 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | let's colonize the moon! | Jan 18 16:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: work on cutting spending on military and war | Jan 18 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | nope, that makes jobs | Jan 18 16:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | US maintains bases in 120+ countries | Jan 18 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | can't put the defense contractor genie back in the bottle | Jan 18 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | look how hard it was to kill off the F-22 programs nobody wanted | Jan 18 16:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: Eisenhower warned you. you know his speech? 1961 i think. | Jan 18 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | that was 23 years before I was born | Jan 18 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | please clue me in | Jan 18 16:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: eh? there are recordings. | Jan 18 16:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: sure, just a min | Jan 18 16:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://video.google.ca/videosearch?client=opera&rls=en&q=eisenhower+military+industrial+complex&sourceid=opera&oe=utf-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=RI5US_TBF9CU8Ab4grGnBA&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CA8QqwQwAA# | Jan 18 16:39 |
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| FurnaceBoy | kecskebak: that might give you a clue about the cabal ;-) ^^ | Jan 18 16:39 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: that Eisenhower speech is the best thing that man every contributed to this country | Jan 18 16:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: quite possibly. | Jan 18 16:41 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: too bad more people dont know about that | Jan 18 16:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: I 'm still a bit shocked he was allowed to broadcast it. | Jan 18 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: Ironic that we got Kennedy 3 days later, yes? | Jan 18 16:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: he saw the doors closing | Jan 18 16:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: and we know what happened to him. | Jan 18 16:42 |
| rnb | DaemonFC: and who killed kennedy in a de facto coup d'etat? | Jan 18 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | bumped off just in time for LBJ to sign off on a full scale war in Vietnam | Jan 18 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | among other things | Jan 18 16:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: quite | Jan 18 16:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: there are no coincidences :) | Jan 18 16:42 |
| rnb | DaemonFC: according to the deathbed confession of E Howard Hunt, it was the DOD that helped pull off the coup d'etat against Kennedy | Jan 18 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | I think someone was wanting Kennedy to sign off on that, and when he didn't, he signed his own death warrant | Jan 18 16:43 |
| rnb | there shouldnt be much controversy about who killed Kennedy after E Howard Hunt's confession | Jan 18 16:43 |
| trmanco | FurnaceBoy: hey, do you know any good nightclubs between, TO,MIS, and HAM? | Jan 18 16:43 |
| trmanco | oops | Jan 18 16:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: quite. now you see how much freedom Obama has. He knew what the deal was when he signed on. | Jan 18 16:44 |
| rnb | of course ... that got buried by the Ministry of Propaganda, er, the media | Jan 18 16:44 |
| MinceR | Miniluv | Jan 18 16:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: hm, it's not really my scene. i know of a hispanic club near Yonge/Eglinton but that's about it | Jan 18 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | the media is surreal | Jan 18 16:45 |
| trmanco | FurnaceBoy: ah ok, thanks anyway :-P | Jan 18 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | they split it into several different channels which gives them a license to be schizophrenic | Jan 18 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | slam you with every possible incompatible lie at once | Jan 18 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | until you don't know what to believe and don't trust anyone | Jan 18 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | which is the point | Jan 18 16:46 |
| kecskebak | Nixon started to do what he wanted instead of what he was told - didn't end well for him either | Jan 18 16:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: read books. there are still real journalists, like John Pilger. | Jan 18 16:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | kecskebak: Nixon had no problem escalating Vietnam. | Jan 18 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | no matter which channel you turn into, there's always an us v. them feel to it | Jan 18 16:46 |
| kecskebak | FurnaceBoy: There's more to Watergate than meets the eye | Jan 18 16:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | kecskebak: he manipulated the war for political points | Jan 18 16:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | kecskebak: I know. Watergate is one of his smaller crimes. | Jan 18 16:47 |
| kecskebak | But he also started to do thing his handlers weren't happy with | Jan 18 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | did Ford pull out of Vietnam? | Jan 18 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Jan 18 16:47 |
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| FurnaceBoy | kecskebak: the 5-yr secret bombing of Cambodia, Laos, etc... incredible. | Jan 18 16:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | kecskebak: even the service chiefs didn't know where the planes went. | Jan 18 16:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | kecskebak: Kissinger and Nixon had direct control of the flight plans | Jan 18 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | that war was fought as if there was no objective but carnage | Jan 18 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | ours, theirs, anyones | Jan 18 16:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: Nixon and Kissinger were largely motivated by ego and insecurity. psychotics. | Jan 18 16:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: they used the war as a political plaything | Jan 18 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | I think it was the banks and weapons contractors | Jan 18 16:50 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: johnpilger++ | Jan 18 16:50 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: gary webb was also a great journalist | Jan 18 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | they had the most to gain from a long war with lots of equipment lost | Jan 18 16:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: of course | Jan 18 16:50 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: al giordano is also a great journalist (and a friend) | Jan 18 16:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: Ike warned :) | Jan 18 16:50 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: the biggest crime of the nixon administration, domestically, was institutionalizing cointelpro | Jan 18 16:51 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: that's when the US became a real police state | Jan 18 16:51 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: the watergate hearings were partly designed to cover up cointelpro | Jan 18 16:52 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: everyone knows about watergate; very few people know about cointelpro | Jan 18 16:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: ever read Hersh, "Kissinger in the Nixon White House" ? | Jan 18 16:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | main title "The Price of Power" | Jan 18 16:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: right | Jan 18 16:52 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: no, but hersh is also a good journalist | Jan 18 16:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: everybody associates Nixon with Watergate and miss his much bigger crimes | Jan 18 16:53 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: agreed | Jan 18 16:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: great book if you are interested in Nixon .. and details what low scum Kissinger is. | Jan 18 16:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | as well. | Jan 18 16:53 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: reagan was 10 times worse than nixon, and received 10 times less the negative attention | Jan 18 16:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | cynicism ... they haz it. utterly amoral and corrupt. | Jan 18 16:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: and Nixon didn't get enough. Nor Bush. | Jan 18 16:54 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: the bush administration was 10 times worse than nixon/reagan, and received 10 times less | Jan 18 16:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | there's no accountability | Jan 18 16:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: agree | Jan 18 16:54 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: conclusion? things just keep getting worse and worse | Jan 18 16:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | rn def' | Jan 18 16:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | I'm waiting for somebody to enjoy just a tiny atom of accountability. | Jan 18 16:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | 100 years of carnage and nobody's paid for it. | Jan 18 16:54 |
| kecskebak | I notice that common sense has evaporated in the past twenty years or so. | Jan 18 16:55 |
| rnb | there is nothing left to do than join the 21st-Century American Socialist Revolution | Jan 18 16:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: or move to Brazil! | Jan 18 16:55 |
| rnb | that's what i mean | Jan 18 16:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: boa ideia la | Jan 18 16:55 |
| rnb | american meaning 'the americas' | Jan 18 16:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: well i might be joining you there | Jan 18 16:55 |
| rnb | if the 21st-Century Socialist Revolution fails, we have no hope left in the americas | Jan 18 16:55 |
| Eruaran | I don't believe Obama changes anything | Jan 18 16:55 |
| kecskebak | That was obvious from his source of funding | Jan 18 16:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: of course he doesn't. he's just a spokesman for the same old bunch. | Jan 18 16:56 |
| rnb | Eruaran: clearly not | Jan 18 16:56 |
| kecskebak | And if he did try to change anything he'd be taken for a drive around a book repository | Jan 18 16:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | kecskebak: precisely | Jan 18 16:56 |
| Eruaran | Same Wall St and the Fed are still in charge of the bloodbank | Jan 18 16:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | which makes him irrelevant | Jan 18 16:56 |
| rnb | you know, you've all got a lot of good political sense | Jan 18 16:56 |
| rnb | you should join linefeed.org | Jan 18 16:56 |
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| rnb | we need quality techies to help with projects | Jan 18 16:57 |
| rnb | the capitalist tyranny isnt going to overthrow itself! | Jan 18 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: Notice Gerald Ford's cabinet | Jan 18 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | Rumsfeld, Cheney, Kissinger, and Bush Sr. | Jan 18 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 18 16:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: right | Jan 18 16:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Obama is irrelevant. | Jan 18 16:58 | |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: a black hole of badness | Jan 18 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | those guys always seem to turn up wherever anything evil is going on | Jan 18 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder where Rummy is these days | Jan 18 16:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: causal | Jan 18 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | ever since Bush was forced to show him out | Jan 18 16:59 |
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| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: hanging upside -down in a belfry | Jan 18 16:59 |
| rnb | DaemonFC: thats true for just about every high-level US govt official | Jan 18 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | rnb: Some more than others | Jan 18 16:59 |
| rnb | DaemonFC: dunno about that | Jan 18 17:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: well, you 've read all your neocon stuff, right? Fukuyama, yadda yadda | Jan 18 17:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: Project for a new American Century | Jan 18 17:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: and all the rest | Jan 18 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | the neocons are dying out | Jan 18 17:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: that's the religion for these fucks, and Friedman | Jan 18 17:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: can we speed that up? | Jan 18 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | now we have something even more bizarre that's brewing | Jan 18 17:00 |
| rnb | the neocons arent dying out ... they are just deflecting attentions from themselves | Jan 18 17:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: i agree | Jan 18 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not sure I like the new face of the "conservatives" any more than I like the neocons | Jan 18 17:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: the shock doctrine is alive and well. | Jan 18 17:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: keep watching Haiti | Jan 18 17:01 |
| rnb | i dont even think "neocon" is appropriate | Jan 18 17:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: these shocks will keep happening. the financial shock played right into their hands. | Jan 18 17:01 |
| rnb | they just represent 21st-century US imperial strategy | Jan 18 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: What do you suppose the teabaggers would do if they had control of the government? | Jan 18 17:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: apart from having been anticipated in detail by Wolf | Jan 18 17:01 |
| Eruaran | I prefer the term "Daleks" | Jan 18 17:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | LOL | Jan 18 17:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran++ | Jan 18 17:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: install their cronies | Jan 18 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | they don't seem that warlike on the surface | Jan 18 17:02 |
| rnb | we're living in a time when half of the countries in the americas are openly hostile to the US's imperial role | Jan 18 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | I know we'd be in for a major civil rights rollback | Jan 18 17:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: they should be; they have all been burned by it. | Jan 18 17:03 |
| rnb | it will be on -us- if we let the US destroy that | Jan 18 17:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: literally | Jan 18 17:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: as you know | Jan 18 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | every public welfare system would be killed | Jan 18 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | even the ones that do more good than bad | Jan 18 17:03 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: you know about the Foro de Sao Paulo? | Jan 18 17:03 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: founded by brazil's PT party and cuba's communist party | Jan 18 17:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: of course, but that's hardly the point ... they can't govern. their platform is that americans cannot govern anything | Jan 18 17:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: no | Jan 18 17:04 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: their plan is working | Jan 18 17:04 |
| rnb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foro_de_S%C3%A3o_Paulo | Jan 18 17:04 |
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| schestowitz | Hitchens wrote a book about Kissinger, calling for his sentencing for war crimes | Jan 18 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | as soon as you're elected, the concept of doing the right thing no matter what people will say about you goes right out the window | Jan 18 17:05 |
| schestowitz | Kissinger & Cronies retaliated by smaearijng Hitchens | Jan 18 17:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's necessary | Jan 18 17:06 |
| schestowitz | The funny thinsg is that even Obama admins still consults the bugger | Jan 18 17:06 |
| rnb | yeah but hitchens also supported the iraq war | Jan 18 17:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you're familiar with the attempts to arrest kissinger? | Jan 18 17:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: there are continents he cannot travel to | Jan 18 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Kissinger is said to be behind the secret meetings known as Bilderberg, but I doubt it's all true | Jan 18 17:06 |
| rnb | still, hitchens made a great contribution with his case to arrest kissinger | Jan 18 17:06 |
| schestowitz | It was on CNN once | Jan 18 17:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/186938/yahoo_reportedly_hit_by_china_hackers.html | Jan 18 17:06 |
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| FurnaceBoy | rnb: Hitchens is an ambiguous character. Very close friend of Martin Amis. | Jan 18 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | Spain was trying to put Bush on trial | Jan 18 17:07 |
| schestowitz | rnb: I think hitchens just says what sells his books | Jan 18 17:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: yes | Jan 18 17:07 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: i dont like him | Jan 18 17:07 |
| schestowitz | I don't truist him much | Jan 18 17:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | nor do I | Jan 18 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | they'd just embarrass themselves | Jan 18 17:07 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: i dont like trots (which he was) and i dont like whatever he is these days | Jan 18 17:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | HAHAH | Jan 18 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | we're not going to hand over a former president | Jan 18 17:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: i think he and Amis recanted all that stuff when they got even richer | Jan 18 17:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: not that Amis was ever begging hahahahaha | Jan 18 17:07 |
| Eruaran | I find Hitchens very... sweaty | Jan 18 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Jan 18 17:08 |
| schestowitz | He looks younger than he is | Jan 18 17:08 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: yes, something like that, i think he just likes being a contrarian | Jan 18 17:08 |
| schestowitz | Vidal sort of endorsed him back in the days | Jan 18 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | if I had some kind of an arrest warrant in europe or something, I absolutely wouldn't care at all | Jan 18 17:08 |
| rnb | ok well, i have a meeting soon with one of our clients | Jan 18 17:08 |
| schestowitz | rnb: Letters from a Young Contrarian? | Jan 18 17:08 |
| rnb | i'm going to have to be firm and mean to my client | Jan 18 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | I'd get on my webcam and make a video of me mooning them | Jan 18 17:08 |
| rnb | so i gotta get prepared | Jan 18 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 18 17:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: not very funny | Jan 18 17:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.uctv.tv/search-details.aspx?showID=6725 | Jan 18 17:09 |
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| schestowitz | Here he explains it | Jan 18 17:09 |
| rnb | hahah Conversations with History, i love that show | Jan 18 17:09 |
| rnb | one hell of an opening sequence they have | Jan 18 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | I just don't see what they think they achieve if they try an American in absence (which is not even LEGAL here) | Jan 18 17:10 |
| rnb | i wonder who produced that weird song | Jan 18 17:10 |
| schestowitz | kreisler is tactless | Jan 18 17:10 |
| schestowitz | Very dry... | Jan 18 17:10 |
| schestowitz | Yesterday I watched 2 hours of UCTV | Jan 18 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | unless they get an extradition order, they're wasting their time | Jan 18 17:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9144221/Google_attack_part_of_widespread_spying_effort? | Jan 18 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: they'd capture your mom in Paris | Jan 18 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Or steal her purse | Jan 18 17:11 |
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| DaemonFC | yeah, Europe is tax, tax, and more tax | Jan 18 17:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | ... | Jan 18 17:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: i suppose you believe that of Canada as well | Jan 18 17:11 |
| schestowitz | tux, tux, mote tux | Jan 18 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | in France there's also the knife wielding illegal immigrants | Jan 18 17:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: the effective tax rates are about the same. I pay 20% income tax. | Jan 18 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Oh, now DaemonFC will blame the gypsies | Jan 18 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | sounds like a lovely vacation | Jan 18 17:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: huh? France is safer than anywhere in the USA. | Jan 18 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | bullshit | Jan 18 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Contrarian..... | Jan 18 17:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: keep your FUD confined to the states | Jan 18 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | I've never been robbed by anyone | Jan 18 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | France is dangerous | Jan 18 17:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: why do you carrry a gun | Jan 18 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Hehe./ | Jan 18 17:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: stop talking about France, you know nothing about it. | Jan 18 17:12 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: don't warm him p | Jan 18 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | you get on a train in France, and you get robbed by teenagers with knives | Jan 18 17:13 |
| schestowitz | The furnace will give him another convulsion | Jan 18 17:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: bullshit. | Jan 18 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | asking you to fill out a survey | Jan 18 17:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: quit this nonsense | Jan 18 17:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Next time someone tells you that open source software does not rely on patents you can simply laugh: http://i5.be/aku | Jan 18 17:13 | |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: go visit Europe, THEN talk about it | Jan 18 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | it happened to my mom | Jan 18 17:13 |
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| DaemonFC | two men on the train chased them down | Jan 18 17:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: who the fuck cares? | Jan 18 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | and got cut while getting her purse back | Jan 18 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Once incident is his statistical sample | Jan 18 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | I'm saying France is not as safe | Jan 18 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | cause it's not | Jan 18 17:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: unlike you, I've actually travelled in Europe and Russia. | Jan 18 17:13 |
| schestowitz | His mom went there once, saw mugging, bang, case closed | Jan 18 17:14 |
| schestowitz | It means France has a lot of crime..... | Jan 18 17:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's more dangerous than the USA! he'd need 2 guns! | Jan 18 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | they have some kind of illegal immigrant problem | Jan 18 17:14 |
| schestowitz | It's worse than the OOXML BRM (2008) where 2-3 delegates got mugged | Jan 18 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Separately even | Jan 18 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | they send their kids out to rob people | Jan 18 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Includign Rob Weir | Jan 18 17:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: ok, cut this out | Jan 18 17:14 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: two? How will he reload? | Jan 18 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | you shouldn't even bother telling the police there | Jan 18 17:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | sigh | Jan 18 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | the police won't do anything | Jan 18 17:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: l8r | Jan 18 17:15 |
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| DaemonFC | if they do put the illegal immigrants in jail, it'll be overnight | Jan 18 17:15 |
| schestowitz | The troll put him off | Jan 18 17:15 |
| MinceR | he could use a loading belt | Jan 18 17:15 |
| schestowitz | That's too visible | Jan 18 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | like I said, I've never been robbed here and I'd almost like to see someone try | Jan 18 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Imagine what he would look like in Kenya!! | Jan 18 17:16 |
| MinceR | with guns that can use loading belts, i don't think its visibility is going to be a problem :> | Jan 18 17:16 |
| schestowitz | USA=1 gun, France=2..... | Jan 18 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | I'd shoot the stupid prick | Jan 18 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | I don't care if he is 15 | Jan 18 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | pull a knife on me | Jan 18 17:16 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: enough | Jan 18 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 18 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | you go rob someone, you better be ready for whatever you have coming to you | Jan 18 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | is the way I look at it | Jan 18 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | they do it more in Europe I'm sure because they know they probably won't encounter an armed would-be victim | Jan 18 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | which is a distinct possibility here | Jan 18 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | so they outlaw guns all over Europe and the hoods get butterfly knives and mug and kill people with that, which I'm sure the bleeding heart liberals feel much better that someone was sliced and diced as opposed to being shot | Jan 18 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | it's no longer a gun crime statistic, so it can't be a bad thing | Jan 18 17:20 |
| MinceR | they sometimes do get guns though | Jan 18 17:20 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: That's the problem when you border a country that has no gun laws, but you've banned all of them | Jan 18 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 18 17:21 |
| MinceR | it's a problem with banning guns anyway | Jan 18 17:21 |
| MinceR | criminals aren't known for honoring laws | Jan 18 17:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] The real problem with C. http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/19940821.4497@naggum.no.html (another insightful Erik Naggum post) | Jan 18 17:22 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: The way I see it is that if everyone else has one, you probably want one too | Jan 18 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | so France disarmed their citizens setting them up to be the perfect victims for the people that do have guns and knives | Jan 18 17:23 |
| MinceR | waaah, guy can't learn C++ so it must be the language's fault | Jan 18 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt hand to hand is going to come in handy when someone is pointing a gun at you | Jan 18 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Jan 18 17:23 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Linus :-) | Jan 18 17:23 |
| schestowitz | Hype Incorporated: http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/operatingsystems/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=222301111 | Jan 18 17:24 |
| schestowitz | ""Such an offer is illegal and Apple insists that you immediately discontinue the Scavenger Hunt," said the letter, which was posted Thursday by Valleywag." | Jan 18 17:24 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Apple Attorney Attacks Tablet Bounty -- Apple tablet PC -- InformationWeek .::. Size~: 83.99 KB | Jan 18 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Poor Apple | Jan 18 17:24 |
| schestowitz | The don't make enough money | Jan 18 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | If someone ever did point a knife at me, it would be the last thing they ever did | Jan 18 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Now they go screaming at writers | Jan 18 17:24 |
| MinceR | it's just a publicity stunt | Jan 18 17:25 |
| MinceR | like everything crApple ever does | Jan 18 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Had Apple just bloody said what it's working on, it would not be necessary to do this | Jan 18 17:25 |
| MinceR | and nobody would care | Jan 18 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Some rich kids would | Jan 18 17:25 |
| Omar87__ | http://www.webupd8.org/2010/01/canonical-to-bring-closed-source-apps.html | Jan 18 17:25 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Canonical To Bring Closed Source Apps Like iTunes And Photoshop To Ubuntu?!?! ~ Web Upd8 .::. Size~: 134.26 KB | Jan 18 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | Apple never just introduces something | Jan 18 17:25 |
| Omar87__ | I think this is good. | Jan 18 17:25 |
| MinceR | crApple products simply aren't interesting from a technical viewpoint | Jan 18 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | iTunes on Linux? | Jan 18 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Omar87__: yay! Another OSLinuX | Jan 18 17:25 |
| MinceR | so it's all about the cult and the hype | Jan 18 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | It runs like crap on Wine and I doubt Apple is going to port it | Jan 18 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | so what the hell could they possibly be talking about? | Jan 18 17:26 |
| MinceR | well, porting photoshop to gnu/linux would shut a few fanboys up, that's for sure | Jan 18 17:26 |
| MinceR | i'd still use gimp though :> | Jan 18 17:26 |
| schestowitz | #1 bug is market share | Jan 18 17:26 |
| trmanco | I would use PS | Jan 18 17:26 |
| trmanco | ... | Jan 18 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | Photoshop has ran fine on Wine for years, MinceR | Jan 18 17:27 |
| trmanco | DaemonFC: CS2 has | Jan 18 17:27 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: only older versions, afaik | Jan 18 17:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Bob Ellis on Haiti http://bit.ly/6xdCdi Terrorism..has killed fewer ppl in last 30yrs than quarrelsome Americans w/handguns in last 8 months | Jan 18 17:27 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Bob Ellis on Haiti http://bit.ly/6xdCdi When will we get our priorities right, and realise our biggest foe is wild nature not militant Islam | Jan 18 17:27 | |
| MinceR | iirc CS2 is the newest version that runs now | Jan 18 17:27 |
| schestowitz | CounterStrike 2!! | Jan 18 17:27 |
| trmanco | >CS2 won't work pretty well | Jan 18 17:27 |
| MinceR | CamperStripe 2!! | Jan 18 17:27 |
| MinceR | There, fixed that for you. | Jan 18 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Jan 18 17:27 |
| MinceR | oops | Jan 18 17:27 |
| trmanco | I use to play CS 1.6 | Jan 18 17:27 |
| schestowitz | That's where the game fails | Jan 18 17:27 |
| MinceR | meant CamperStrike. | Jan 18 17:27 |
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| DaemonFC | CS4 is current, right? | Jan 18 17:27 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: ABC The Drum Unleashed - Prioritising life .::. Size~: 181.52 KB | Jan 18 17:27 |
| MinceR | i think so | Jan 18 17:27 |
| trmanco | yes, | Jan 18 17:27 |
| MinceR | i'm not terribly up-to-date | Jan 18 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | I don't view Photoshop as even worth stealing | Jan 18 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | there's a Win64 version of GIMP that runs beautifully | Jan 18 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Kids sitting there with mouse idle... waiting to click when head appears in centre pixels of output device | Jan 18 17:28 |
| trmanco | I've only used u p to CS4 | Jan 18 17:28 |
| trmanco | some of gimps tools still don't work pretty well | Jan 18 17:28 |
| schestowitz | "Now... NOW!! Click it" | Jan 18 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | DreamWeaver is awesome though | Jan 18 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Even pacman had more skills involved | Jan 18 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | I like CS3 better than CS4 though | Jan 18 17:28 |
| trmanco | that isn't even worth stealing :-P | Jan 18 17:29 |
| MinceR | why is "Codeweavers" listed in the survey? | Jan 18 17:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Bob Ellis on Haiti http://bit.ly/6xdCdi When will we..learn how useless free market is in dealing with tsunamis, earthquakes, AIDS, pogroms | Jan 18 17:29 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: ABC The Drum Unleashed - Prioritising life .::. Size~: 181.52 KB | Jan 18 17:29 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: it can't be stolen | Jan 18 17:29 |
| trmanco | is this repeating itself? | Jan 18 17:29 |
| schestowitz | You'd have to crack Adobe servers to do that | Jan 18 17:29 |
| Omar87__ | schestowitz: Wouldn't sound much better to hear that an Engineering student, for example, is running his AutoCad or Matlab on Ubuntu Linux instead of Windows? | Jan 18 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: CodeWeavers is proprietary | Jan 18 17:29 |
| MinceR | lol dreamweaver | Jan 18 17:29 |
| trmanco | well, it's not even worth cracking dreamweaver | Jan 18 17:29 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: and assuming they have no backups either | Jan 18 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | it's based on Wine, but it is proprietary | Jan 18 17:30 |
| MinceR | why not frontpage, then? | Jan 18 17:30 |
| MinceR | or, as i like to call it, AffrontPage | Jan 18 17:30 |
| schestowitz | I reckon their CEOs and other managers have a copy of the source code somewhere athome | Jan 18 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: DreamWeaver spits out standards compliant pages | Jan 18 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | Frontpage didn't the last time I used it | Jan 18 17:30 |
| trmanco | a simple text editor with predefined templates, code coloring | Jan 18 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Omar87__: MATLAB runs in Linux | Jan 18 17:30 |
| Omar87__ | trmanco: DW sucks huge a%*, imho. | Jan 18 17:30 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: so does gvim :> | Jan 18 17:30 |
| trmanco | is enough to code html end css | Jan 18 17:30 |
| MinceR | and so do a lot of CMSes | Jan 18 17:31 |
| schestowitz | AutoCAD is a Microsoft puppet and they might port to Linux | Jan 18 17:31 |
| schestowitz | THey already make other s/w for Linux | Jan 18 17:31 |
| Omar87__ | schestowitz: Oh! Really? That's great! | Jan 18 17:31 |
| MinceR | i don't really see why people like to write raw html so much | Jan 18 17:31 |
| schestowitz | But Server side | Jan 18 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Special effects | Jan 18 17:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/187001/uk_jury_clears_operator_of_oink_bittorrent_search_engine.html | Jan 18 17:32 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: UK Jury Clears Operator of Oink BitTorrent Search Engine - PC World .::. Size~: 54.25 KB | Jan 18 17:32 |
| schestowitz | OINK takes the * out of MAFIAA | Jan 18 17:32 |
| Omar87__ | schestowitz: I know. I also had to use this disgusting simulation software called Arena, you might have heard of it? | Jan 18 17:32 |
| Omar87__ | It was an MS puppet too. | Jan 18 17:33 |
| MinceR | i know "simulation" software with "Arena" in their names, but i don't think you mean one of those :> | Jan 18 17:34 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-10435979-71.html | Jan 18 17:34 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Woz: Google's Nexus One is my favorite gadget | Technically Incorrect - CNET News .::. Size~: 103.97 KB | Jan 18 17:34 |
| MinceR | (also i don't find those disgusting) | Jan 18 17:34 |
| Omar87__ | MinceR: I mean the one developed by Rockwell Software. | Jan 18 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Alien? | Jan 18 17:35 |
| MinceR | i was thinking of Quake III: Arena, Quake III: Team Arena and OpenArena. :> | Jan 18 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Aliens are cute... the ones they show us in films... I'd like to meet one | Jan 18 17:35 |
| Omar87__ | MinceR: I know that. :[P | Jan 18 17:35 |
| Omar87__ | :-P | Jan 18 17:35 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: same engine? | Jan 18 17:35 |
| MinceR | yes | Jan 18 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Arora! | Jan 18 17:36 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 18 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Bad name | Jan 18 17:36 |
| schestowitz | ArrrrrrrrrrrrrrrooooRAAA!!!!! | Jan 18 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Mum rruhhhhhh!!!!! | Jan 18 17:36 |
| MinceR | it's missing a 'u' | Jan 18 17:36 |
| schestowitz | I guess Jobs & Cult will need to assassinate Woz now | Jan 18 17:37 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 18 17:39 |
| MinceR | it would be a lot of fun to see infighting in the cult | Jan 18 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Omar87__: http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/The-Webs-Next-Layer-of-Innovation-QA-With-Creative-Commons-CEO-Joi-Ito-69114.html | Jan 18 17:40 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Linux News: Licensing: The Web's Next Layer of Innovation: Q&A With Creative Commons CEO Joi Ito .::. Size~: 65.46 KB | Jan 18 17:40 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: the Apple purists | Jan 18 17:40 |
| schestowitz | They allege that all gadgets must be bright white | Jan 18 17:41 |
| MinceR | what were doing back when crApple stuff was mostly beige? | Jan 18 17:41 |
| schestowitz | And that they are only "kosher" if they contain the Apple brand visible to sight, UNLESS Apple does not make the product yet | Jan 18 17:41 |
| schestowitz | This means that pragmatist/cultists can use Google | Jan 18 17:41 |
| schestowitz | Apple does not have a search engine, yet | Jan 18 17:42 |
| schestowitz | If you meet them in the streets you might not notice them | Jan 18 17:42 |
| MinceR | maybe they'll start using bingo | Jan 18 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Because they drive cars like NORMAL people | Jan 18 17:42 |
| schestowitz | They migle | Jan 18 17:42 |
| schestowitz | *mingle | Jan 18 17:42 |
| schestowitz | So they are more modern than Amish | Jan 18 17:42 |
| schestowitz | But they can't watch much TV | Jan 18 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Cause ITV sucks badly | Jan 18 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Then they are occasional Cultists -- or n00bs as they are called by the hardcore Apple purists | Jan 18 17:43 |
| schestowitz | They only buy an iPod here and there | Jan 18 17:43 |
| schestowitz | They sometimes download and test substitutes to iToooons | Jan 18 17:43 |
| schestowitz | :- | Jan 18 17:43 |
| schestowitz | :-p | Jan 18 17:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@wesbenterprise the USA did not effectively prevent or respond to its own Katrina -hardly a controversial assertion. Just 1 of his examples | Jan 18 17:44 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.pcworld.com/article/186824/microsoft_should_kill_internet_explorer.html | Jan 18 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | Seen it | Jan 18 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Lame | Jan 18 17:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@wesbenterprise Why did it not? Largely faulty priorities. | Jan 18 17:45 | |
| schestowitz | Like Microsoft can SELL a Web browser | Jan 18 17:45 |
| Omar87__ | schestowitz: hmm, interesting. Thanks. | Jan 18 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Read: license people to use a friggin thing that surfs the WEB :-) | Jan 18 17:45 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/01/16/a-haitian-orphanage-falls-a-chat-with-kirklands-chris-greeno/ | Jan 18 17:46 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: A Haitian Orphanage Falls: A Chat With Kirklands Chris Greeno - Law Blog - WSJ .::. Size~: 78.8 KB | Jan 18 17:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] RT: @schestowitz: With #Mono Clearly on Microsoft’s Side, Another Call for #Ubuntu to Move Mono to ‘Restricted’ http://ur1.ca/k42h | Jan 18 17:46 | |
| schestowitz | http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2010/01/holder-calls-financial-fraud-top-doj.php | Jan 18 17:46 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: With Mono Clearly on Microsofts Side, Another Call for Ubuntu to Move Mono to Restricted | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 99.67 KB | Jan 18 17:46 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Holder calls financial fraud a top DOJ priority http://ur1.ca/k4g4 Let's report Microsoft http://ur1.ca/k4g5 | Jan 18 17:48 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: JURIST - Paper Chase: Holder calls financial fraud a top DOJ priority .::. Size~: 26.02 KB | Jan 18 17:48 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Ive got a Q&A coming with Puppy Arcade creator Scott Jarvis! Expect the review (and Q&A) up on Openbytes soon! #linux #foss #puppylinux #gnu | Jan 18 17:56 | |
| schestowitz | http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/netsys/article.php/3859001/Want-Fast-Broadband-Move-to-Utah.htm | Jan 18 17:57 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Want Fast Broadband? Move to Utah — Datamation.com .::. Size~: 63.39 KB | Jan 18 17:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] France: Don't use IE http://ur1.ca/k2rn | Jan 18 18:00 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: La France et l'Allemagne déconseillent l'utilisation d'Internet Explorer - LeMonde.fr .::. Size~: 148.4 KB | Jan 18 18:00 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: after people leave a comment in the site, the old (cache) page reappears and I don't know how to resolve this | Jan 18 18:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Been taking a trip down memory lane with Kings Quest III via Dosbox & ScummVM....the battle continues. | Jan 18 18:05 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.e-relevant.co.za/blog-archive/ebooks/67-hacker-strips-amazon-kindle-of-copyright-protection.html | Jan 18 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Goood hacker | Jan 18 18:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/tony_collins/2010/01/how-to-correct-mistakes-in-you.html | Jan 18 18:12 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5iQdGjKxv2Ea9qoDPQctpYenbBsEg | Jan 18 18:16 |
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| schestowitz | I can finally buy a smartphone.... http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/smart-phones-blessed-in-canon-david-parrotts-3g-church-service/story-e6frgakx-1225818340955 | Jan 18 18:22 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Smart phones blessed in Canon David Parrott's 3G church service | The Australian .::. Size~: 51.31 KB | Jan 18 18:22 |
| schestowitz | I guess it means the phone would be causing cancer | Jan 18 18:22 |
| trmanco | microsoft sucks at search, and everybody knows it -> http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/01/microsoft-outlines-plan-to-improve-bings-slow-indexing.ars | Jan 18 18:23 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft has a plan to improve Bing's poor indexing .::. Size~: 31.64 KB | Jan 18 18:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Testing out Etherpad with large-ish (20+) numbers of users.. games of tictactoe break out along with arguments and revision wars | Jan 18 18:24 | |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I don't like Ars so much anymore | Jan 18 18:24 |
| schestowitz | With their "One Microsoft Way" blog and Ryan promoting Mono...... | Jan 18 18:24 |
| MinceR | apparently the ars guys didn't hear that yahoo is using bingo now | Jan 18 18:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] have just realised i have a shelf full of DVDs, an excellent laptop for the task and so little brane that telly is interesting. wahey! | Jan 18 18:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Ok, now small interactive fiction games are breaking out in etherpad http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/JQ0Rkj77kn | Jan 18 18:27 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/14/fifty-dangerous-thin.html | Jan 18 18:28 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] I think we broke it :) http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/JQ0Rkj77kn | Jan 18 18:33 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_now_running_virus_scans_on_user_pcs.php | Jan 18 18:36 |
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| schestowitz | Facebook will be slower for WIndows uers | Jan 18 18:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Earphone Knots - http://bit.ly/8oeseg reminds me of the Knot Museum in Wellington: wonder if it's still there... #knots | Jan 18 18:39 | |
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| MinceR | http://apina.biz/21092 | Jan 18 18:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pluggd.in/my-name-is-khan-launches-music-on-itunes-before-the-store-release-297/ | Jan 18 18:41 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: My Name is Khan Launched Music on iTunes before the Store Release .::. Size~: 40.52 KB | Jan 18 18:41 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: NSFW | Jan 18 18:42 |
| MinceR | the site does warn you though | Jan 18 18:42 |
| MinceR | i'll try to get a more direct link | Jan 18 18:42 |
| MinceR | http://apina.nwps.ws/medium/m_21092.jpg | Jan 18 18:43 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/15/rare_earth_metals/ | Jan 18 18:43 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: China's doomed attempt to hold the world to ransom • The Register .::. Size~: 29.64 KB | Jan 18 18:43 |
| schestowitz | They're gonna get Mongolia next | Jan 18 18:43 |
| MinceR | (it might redirect though, dunno what sort of magic it does) | Jan 18 18:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.chinalawblog.com/2010/01/with_chinas_new_standing_come.html | Jan 18 18:47 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: With China's New Standing Come New Errors. - China Law Blog: a blog about Chinese law and the legal issues of doing business in China. .::. Size~: 62.46 KB | Jan 18 18:47 |
| schestowitz | What if China became as aggressive a World Boss as predecessors? | Jan 18 18:47 |
| MinceR | then we're at least as screwed as before | Jan 18 18:48 |
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| schestowitz | Rush Limbaugh http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/15/haitians-donations-radio-rush-limbaugh | Jan 18 18:56 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Don't give Haitians a penny, says rightwing US shock jock |World news |The Guardian .::. Size~: 77.97 KB | Jan 18 18:56 |
| schestowitz | The bastard didn't die while in hospital in Hawaii last month | Jan 18 18:56 |
| schestowitz | I just love how countries that got bombarded and destroyed by a foreign invader are now denounced by that same invader | Jan 18 18:57 |
| schestowitz | "Adding insult to injury" applies here | Jan 18 18:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Te gek voor woorden: Microsoft hangt ISP aan de schandpaal voor mallware http://tinyurl.com/y9p585p | Jan 18 18:59 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: ZeelandNet vangt "bot" bij Microsoft - Security.NL .::. Size~: 27.78 KB | Jan 18 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Reader: | Jan 18 19:01 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 18 19:01 |
| schestowitz | It's an MS ZDNet entry, but there should be a legitimate site somewhere | Jan 18 19:01 |
| schestowitz | with the same point: | Jan 18 19:01 |
| schestowitz | The weird thing is, we are talking about emerging | Jan 18 19:01 |
| schestowitz | properties. You don't know when a worm is released what | Jan 18 19:01 |
| schestowitz | the extent of the damage will be. There was a blackout | Jan 18 19:01 |
| schestowitz | in the north-east quadrant of the US when Blaster was | Jan 18 19:01 |
| schestowitz | released, that was probably caused by Blaster. We're | Jan 18 19:01 |
| schestowitz | dealing with emerging properties, in tightly coupled | Jan 18 19:01 |
| schestowitz | non-linear systems. The way to figure out what will happen is | Jan 18 19:01 |
| schestowitz | to try it. | Jan 18 19:01 |
| schestowitz | http://news.zdnet.co.uk/security/0,1000000189,39927707,00.htm | Jan 18 19:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 18 19:02 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Nederlandse overheid "Me too" Duitse en Franse waarschuwing tegen MSIE (sort of): http://tinyurl.com/yedkv6p | Jan 18 19:02 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/new?replyto=jwildeboer&inreplyto=19363642 | Jan 18 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | @jwildeboer yes, it's English-speaking alliance, so to speak | Jan 18 19:04 |
| schestowitz | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/01/18/1623248/Google-Investigating-Chinese-Employees | Jan 18 19:04 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/forum/S-Re-What-is-their-motive/forum-114132/msg-14370623/read/ | Jan 18 19:11 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Re: What is their motive? | Microsoft bots perform denial of service... | Open Source News Forums .::. Size~: 18 KB | Jan 18 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Hey, jmpnop | Jan 18 19:11 |
| schestowitz | * jono | Jan 18 19:11 |
| schestowitz | jono: see http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php | Jan 18 19:11 |
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| schestowitz | "[PJ: The article, titled "Giving up the GIMP is a sign of Ubuntu's mainstream maturity," paints replacing it with FSpot as a fine thing, and manages to do so without even mentioning mono (Wikipedia: "F-Spot is written in the C# programming language using Mono."). So for me, it's good bye to Ubuntu until they clean it out. It's a question of ethics, but it's also a question of prudence. If you know about patents, even if you think | Jan 18 19:11 |
| schestowitz | they are stupid, you are foolish at best to pretend they don't exist." | Jan 18 19:12 |
| schestowitz | "And if you wondered why Ubuntu is going wrong, in my view, read the following decision-making process, and think about how easy it is to direct anything in a particular direction if all you need is numbers (think Slashdot moderation and Microsoft). A project leader has to decide certain issues, according to the vision, not leaving all decisions, particularly legal ones, to a vote by those who are not even lawyers:]" | Jan 18 19:12 |
| jono | hey schestowitz :) | Jan 18 19:12 |
| jono | ahh | Jan 18 19:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'reason he chose #ATI over #nVidia is because he preferred "RedHeaded Vinyl-Clad Ass-kickers" to "Mermaids & Ogres" ' http://bit.ly/4Z7Q8D | Jan 18 19:13 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Technopaideia: More on Redhead on the Catalyst Control Center Welcome Screen .::. Size~: 52.33 KB | Jan 18 19:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/home/2010/01/man-arrested-under-terrorism-act-for-twitter-joke.html | Jan 18 19:13 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Man arrested under terrorism act for Twitter joke - Big Brother Watch .::. Size~: 40.56 KB | Jan 18 19:14 |
| _Goblin | I REALLY hate wordpress. I refuse to beleive an online editor can #fail as much as the Wordpress. | Jan 18 19:14 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: what do you think of this Paul thing? | Jan 18 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Paul Chambers | Jan 18 19:14 |
| _Goblin | going to sound silly here.... | Jan 18 19:14 |
| _Goblin | Paul Chambers | Jan 18 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Obviously a terror~1 | Jan 18 19:14 |
| schestowitz | He even put TWO exclamation marks | Jan 18 19:14 |
| schestowitz | It must mean he's serious | Jan 18 19:14 |
| _Goblin | he should have used the sarkmark | Jan 18 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Not that two exclamation points usually mean sarcasm | Jan 18 19:15 |
| _Goblin | that'll learn him. | Jan 18 19:15 |
| schestowitz | It's not a free mark | Jan 18 19:15 |
| schestowitz | They sell a silly image | Jan 18 19:15 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about it in BN yesterday | Jan 18 19:15 |
| _Goblin | he would have been free though if he'd bought it ;) | Jan 18 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Na........ | Jan 18 19:15 |
| schestowitz | ANd then people will misuse the symbol | Jan 18 19:15 |
| schestowitz | "Your honour, but the sarkmark! The SARKMARK!!" | Jan 18 19:16 |
| _Goblin | the thing is about "jokes" like the Paul one.... | Jan 18 19:16 |
| schestowitz | But they can apply reasonable tests | Jan 18 19:16 |
| schestowitz | People say that crap all the time | Jan 18 19:16 |
| schestowitz | Maybe not in writing | Jan 18 19:16 |
| _Goblin | if you Roy were in a position to make a decision to arrest someone or not (and keep in mind what would happen if he wasn't joking) would you like to be the one who says "the lads only joking" | Jan 18 19:17 |
| schestowitz | I made a joke last year which could sound like some l00ny thing | Jan 18 19:17 |
| schestowitz | And my mate didn't sense the sarcasm | Jan 18 19:17 |
| schestowitz | But it's easy when said face to face | Jan 18 19:17 |
| schestowitz | There's voice | Jan 18 19:17 |
| _Goblin | its called backcovering.....(in respect of Paul) | Jan 18 19:17 |
| schestowitz | OK | Jan 18 19:17 |
| tessier | schestowitz: What is the url of a comment page with this issue? Does the new comment show up eventually? | Jan 18 19:17 |
| schestowitz | But they should let him out | Jan 18 19:18 |
| schestowitz | tessier: yes, it does | Jan 18 19:18 |
| _Goblin | I certainly wouldn't want to be the person who dismisses it...even if I was 99.9% certain it was a joke. | Jan 18 19:18 |
| schestowitz | But when people leave comments they think it vanished | Jan 18 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Then they leave the comment multiple times | Jan 18 19:18 |
| _Goblin | however.... | Jan 18 19:18 |
| schestowitz | I said to them I was trying to sort it out | Jan 18 19:18 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: I guess I can say this: | Jan 18 19:19 |
| _Goblin | now its shown he was joking, is it proportionate to put a case against him? | Jan 18 19:19 |
| tessier | Ok. I turned up the caching pretty aggressively when we were trying to resolve the load/performance issues with the machine. That is probably unnecessary now. Let me remove some of that stuff. | Jan 18 19:19 |
| schestowitz | How many people who commit murder say it in advance? | Jan 18 19:19 |
| schestowitz | That's what they need to check | Jan 18 19:19 |
| schestowitz | Like..... | Jan 18 19:19 |
| _Goblin | alot... | Jan 18 19:19 |
| _Goblin | domestic violence | Jan 18 19:19 |
| schestowitz | If you ask someone, "are you a terrorist?" | Jan 18 19:19 |
| _Goblin | thats why threats to kill has a positive arrest policy | Jan 18 19:19 |
| schestowitz | They wouldn't say "yes | Jan 18 19:19 |
| schestowitz | tessier: thanks :-) | Jan 18 19:19 |
| _Goblin | to them though they are not terrorists, since the title is a matter of what you believe. | Jan 18 19:20 |
| schestowitz | I don't know how it determined page/cookie state, but the only think that differs is the #comment-XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX | Jan 18 19:20 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: there's that joke skeleton thing | Jan 18 19:20 |
| schestowitz | "I kill you!!' | Jan 18 19:20 |
| _Goblin | EG. French resistance would have been described as terrorists in the 2nd world war.... | Jan 18 19:20 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: For a threats offence there has to be an honest held believe by the "victim" that the threat will be carried out. | Jan 18 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Our language become dangrous | Jan 18 19:21 |
| _Goblin | definately....or more likely nobody want to take the risk of making a common sense decision. | Jan 18 19:21 |
| _Goblin | its all about covering ones back nowadays | Jan 18 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Net jungle.. | Jan 18 19:22 |
| _Goblin | However..... | Jan 18 19:22 |
| schestowitz | http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Airport-Body-Scanners-Equality-And-Human-Rights-Commission-Raised-Concerns-With-Home-Secretary/Article/201001315527170?lpos=UK_News_First_Home_Article_Teaser_Region_4&lid=ARTICLE_15527170_Airport_Body_Scanners%3A_Equality_And_Human_Rights_Commission_Raised_Concerns_With_Home_Secretary | Jan 18 19:22 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Airport Body Scanners: Equality And Human Rights Commission Raised Concerns With Home Secretary | UK News | Sky News .::. Size~: 80.73 KB | Jan 18 19:22 |
| _Goblin | heres one for you.... | Jan 18 19:22 |
| schestowitz | We have those scanners in Manc | Jan 18 19:22 |
| _Goblin | in regards to a racially aggravated offence..... | Jan 18 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Maybe there'll be more pedos applying for a job in the airport now | Jan 18 19:23 |
| _Goblin | a racially aggravated offence is one if its PERCEIVED by the victim as one.... | Jan 18 19:23 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: another thing is also impulsive remarks | Jan 18 19:23 |
| schestowitz | For example: | Jan 18 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Some of the trolls who attack me would be arrested by these standards | Jan 18 19:24 |
| _Goblin | and if you percieved those threats as having a racist undertone, then it could be a racially aggravated offence... | Jan 18 19:24 |
| _Goblin | although v.difficult to get CPS onto that one...net offences tend to frighten many in law. | Jan 18 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Lin doesn't say if they put Linux on board. http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100118PD211.html | Jan 18 19:35 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: CPS? | Jan 18 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Clamped-plate splines is what we call them here | Jan 18 19:36 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8465038.stm | Jan 18 19:37 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 75.43 KB | Jan 18 19:37 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8463413.stm | Jan 18 19:38 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 75.49 KB | Jan 18 19:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] BBC 'forgets' to mention that #Freescale sub-notebooks only runs GNU/Linux?? Bad omissions. | Jan 18 19:39 | |
| sebsebseb | http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Software/11117.html | Jan 18 19:41 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: IE vulnerability used in Google attacks .::. Size~: 29.64 KB | Jan 18 19:41 |
| schestowitz | IE vulnerability used in [SELECT * from table Internet] attacks | Jan 18 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Wow. http://www.tokyotimes.org/?p=4608 | Jan 18 19:44 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Bleak and abandoned isolation ward — Tokyo Times .::. Size~: 52.04 KB | Jan 18 19:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.vivaterra.com/pls/enetrixp/!stmenu_template.main?complex_id_in=482007.2561145.1062177.4101424.page | Jan 18 19:45 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting text/plain type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 18 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.itworld.com/security/93045/dump-internet-explorer-now | Jan 18 19:47 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Dump Internet Explorer Now | ITworld .::. Size~: 83.46 KB | Jan 18 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu cracked: http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://www.thejc.com | Jan 18 19:49 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Site report for www.thejc.com .::. Size~: 8.92 KB | Jan 18 19:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/26147/palestinian-attack-jc-website | Jan 18 19:49 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Palestinian attack on JC website | The Jewish Chronicle .::. Size~: 19.82 KB | Jan 18 19:49 |
| schestowitz | They should patched their server | Jan 18 19:49 |
| schestowitz | *Should have | Jan 18 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Was Google ever cracked? | Jan 18 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft sites were cracked many times before | Jan 18 19:50 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: sorry, CPS = Crown prosecution service. | Jan 18 19:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/18/mandy_science/ | Jan 18 19:51 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Is Mandy right to cut science funding? • The Register .::. Size~: 26.43 KB | Jan 18 19:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I don't think Google has ever had a main site cracked, has it? | Jan 18 19:51 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/18/chavez_malaysia_warning/ | Jan 18 19:52 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Chavez decries evils of PlayStation • The Register .::. Size~: 27.78 KB | Jan 18 19:52 |
| NoCode | Thanks for the pingback. Trackback? Whatever they're called. :) | Jan 18 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Which one? | Jan 18 19:59 |
| schestowitz | I mean, which site? | Jan 18 20:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techworld.com.au/article/332747/google_finds_little_support_far_its_china_threat?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1 | Jan 18 20:00 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Google finds little support so far for its China threat - China, Google, security - Techworld .::. Size~: 44.49 KB | Jan 18 20:01 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/19295123 @muungwana fighting for freedom is hard, temptations are many, and some hate facing weaknesses and questionable assumptions !fsf !gnu | Jan 18 20:07 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Alexandre Oliva (lxoliva) 's status on Monday, 18-Jan-10 00:43:35 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.37 KB | Jan 18 20:07 |
| schestowitz | "I need a new PDA in the near future. Would prefer a 100% free/libre one that does not have a phone. any suggestions?" | Jan 18 20:08 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/19343044 | Jan 18 20:08 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Freemor (freemor) 's status on Monday, 18-Jan-10 14:19:39 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.64 KB | Jan 18 20:08 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: maybe you know? I wondered the same thing some days ago | Jan 18 20:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@stephintoronto i think that my #polish roots are calling // what's best #vodka bar in TO? I like #Czehoski, but...? | Jan 18 20:10 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/16/uk-independent-edito.html | Jan 18 20:15 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: UK Independent editor claims it may steal any image posted to Flickr Boing Boing .::. Size~: 112.43 KB | Jan 18 20:15 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-30684_3-10436018-265.html | Jan 18 20:19 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: U.S. plans formal complaint over Google attacks | Relevant Results - CNET News .::. Size~: 114.21 KB | Jan 18 20:19 |
| NoCode | schestowitz, I think creative is going to be releasing an opened spec'd player which can run Android and can be used for a lot more things than just mp3s: http://www.ziilabs.com/news/releases/pr20090728A.aspx | Jan 18 20:23 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: ZiiLABS - Pioneering Digital Media Processing .::. Size~: 19.49 KB | Jan 18 20:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @guardianeco When economic interests are at stake, the #war on #nature resumes | George Monbiot http://bit.ly/8Qya17 // it ever stopped? | Jan 18 20:29 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Puppy Arcade 5 & Q&A with Scott Jarvis – The puppy goes retro! http://tinyurl.com/yhhp2qm #linux #foss #emulation #puppy #free #gnu | Jan 18 20:29 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: When our economic interests are at stake, the war on nature resumes | George Monbiot |Comment is free |The Guardian .::. Size~: 116.26 KB | Jan 18 20:29 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Puppy Arcade 5 & Q&A with Scott Jarvis The puppy goes retro! « OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 39.97 KB | Jan 18 20:29 |
| trmanco | http://msmobiles.com/news.php/8904.html | Jan 18 20:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@mparent77772 Haiti text donations wait until billing cycle ends http://bit.ly/8owSHY // afaik they are pledges; RedCross has cash on hand | Jan 18 20:31 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Bummer: Haiti text donations wont get there until your billing cycle ends .::. Size~: 25.9 KB | Jan 18 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Oh no! | Jan 18 20:32 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/shawnp0wers/status/7872439006 | Jan 18 20:32 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Twitter / Shawn Powers: My house burned down .::. Size~: 9.89 KB | Jan 18 20:32 |
| schestowitz | http://ostatic.com/blog/open-source-community-rallies-around-popular-foss-editor | Jan 18 20:32 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Open Source Community Rallies Around Popular FOSS Editor .::. Size~: 28.86 KB | Jan 18 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Hopefully he had insurance, but he lost his pets | Jan 18 20:32 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: he means "developers developers developers developers" like "hookers hookers hookers hookers" | Jan 18 20:33 |
| schestowitz | !google developers pawns microsoft | Jan 18 20:34 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Iowa antitrust case: Microsoft exec called software developers 'pawns' | http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do%3Fcommand%3DviewArticleBasic%26articleId%3D9007527 | Jan 18 20:34 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Sound Off: Developers = Pawns, One-Night Stands? | Shark Bait | http://sharkbait.computerworld.com/node/91 | Jan 18 20:34 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Microsoft employee apologizes to developers - Computerworld | http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/172219/microsoft_employee_apologizes_developers/ | Jan 18 20:34 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Wizard Software Development - Home of Affordable Software - Pawn ... | http://www.wizardsoftwaredevelopment.com/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26task%3Dview%26id%3D36%26Itemid%3D76 | Jan 18 20:34 |
| trmanco | nice comparison | Jan 18 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer to developers: open wide | Jan 18 20:34 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/01/obama-mobilizes-military-reservists-reinforce-haiti-aide/ | Jan 18 20:35 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Obama mobilizes military reservists to reinforce Haiti aid | Raw Story .::. Size~: 27.4 KB | Jan 18 20:35 |
| schestowitz | here comes the militayr | Jan 18 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Can chimps be trained to move the mouse and click on targets? | Jan 18 20:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/187108/ati_cards_so_easy_to_install_that_a_monkey_could_do_it.html?tk=rss_news | Jan 18 20:39 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: ATI Cards So Easy to Install That a Monkey Could Do It? - PC World .::. Size~: 67.46 KB | Jan 18 20:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chimp+uses+mouse&search_type=&aq=f | Jan 18 20:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Google sends legal threats actually claiming ownership of the number 10^100 http://is.gd/6xwNQ | Jan 18 20:41 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- chimp uses mouse .::. Size~: 125.41 KB | Jan 18 20:41 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Google guns for a superheroine - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 85.65 KB | Jan 18 20:41 |
| *FurnaceBoy (n=FurnaceB@BAS1-TORONTO10-1279748246.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #boycottnovell | Jan 18 20:57 | |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90777/90853/6872093.html | Jan 18 20:57 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: People's Daily Online - Home Page .::. Size~: 51.95 KB | Jan 18 20:57 |
| schestowitz | http://liste.pardus.org.tr/pardus-announce/2010-January/000076.html | Jan 18 20:58 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Pardus Linux Mailing Lists :: lists.pardus.org.tr .::. Size~: 25.73 KB | Jan 18 20:58 |
| *jono has quit ("Ex-Chat") | Jan 18 20:58 | |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: how *dare* you question the goodwill of the AmericanPeople(C) | Jan 18 20:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: me? the French PM did. :) | Jan 18 20:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: a colleague did claim to me this morning that the USA is "in the forefront" of things like tsunamis, earthquakes, AIDS... | Jan 18 21:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: ... | Jan 18 21:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: oh boy | Jan 18 21:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you read the Bob Ellis column? | Jan 18 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Holy Gee.... I think Ubuntu has jut gotten a religious logo: http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=2468 | Jan 18 21:00 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: New Leader for the Ubuntu Women Project pleia2's blog .::. Size~: 20.01 KB | Jan 18 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu CE? | Jan 18 21:00 |
| schestowitz | They should bend it 45 degrees | Jan 18 21:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | wow. | Jan 18 21:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | that violates every branding precept i know of. | Jan 18 21:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | PHALE | Jan 18 21:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | this is one of those big DON'Ts in the identity manual. | Jan 18 21:01 |
| schestowitz | It's like 3 people on a candy stick | Jan 18 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Or hanged ona cross | Jan 18 21:01 |
| schestowitz | I found it in jono's blog | Jan 18 21:02 |
| MinceR | or one of the 3 guys has a massive tumor | Jan 18 21:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linux.com/distrocentral/distroblogs/277567:amber-graner-is-the-new-leader-of-ubuntu-women | Jan 18 21:02 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: lollypop man | Jan 18 21:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=2468 #Ubuntu #logo #fail this is half a dozen #branding DON'Ts rolled into one. | Jan 18 21:03 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: New Leader for the Ubuntu Women Project pleia2's blog .::. Size~: 20.01 KB | Jan 18 21:03 |
| schestowitz | lollipop | Jan 18 21:03 |
| MinceR | i can already see the anti-FLOSS trolls attacking us, though | Jan 18 21:03 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: worry not | Jan 18 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Red cross is on its way | Jan 18 21:04 |
| schestowitz | To cure the tumour\ | Jan 18 21:04 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 18 21:04 |
| schestowitz | No, seriously | Jan 18 21:04 |
| schestowitz | It's in the logo | Jan 18 21:04 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.computerworld.com/15413/the_best_linux_file_system_of_all | Jan 18 21:05 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The best Linux file system of all? - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 129.17 KB | Jan 18 21:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh gawd. best is such a stupid concept. | Jan 18 21:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | eh | Jan 18 21:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | and you can't extrapolate from google to average users | Jan 18 21:05 |
| schestowitz | B.E.S.T | Jan 18 21:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | google has a highly specific application that just doesn't extrapolate. oh well. i expected a bunch of dimwits would take the ball and run with it. | Jan 18 21:06 |
| schestowitz | BEST [e]sstupid thing | Jan 18 21:06 |
| tessier | Big Elephants Shit Tons | Jan 18 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Bing Elephants Shit Tons | Jan 18 21:06 |
| schestowitz | !google perl ddos microsoft | Jan 18 21:06 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Slashdot Developers Story | Microsoft Bots Effectively DDoSing ... | http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/01/18/0749208/Microsoft-Bots-Effectively-DDoSing-Perl-CPAN-Testers | Jan 18 21:06 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Slashdot Story | Microsoft Bots Effectively DDoSing Perl CPAN Testers | http://slashdot.org/story/10/01/18/0749208/Microsoft-Bots-Effectively-DDoSing-Perl-CPAN-Testers | Jan 18 21:06 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Encyclopedia entry: Backdoor:Perl/C99shell.E - Learn more about ... | http://www.microsoft.com/security/portal/Threat/Encyclopedia/Entry.aspx%3FName%3DBackdoor%253APerl%252FC99shell.E%26ThreatID%3D-2147373253 | Jan 18 21:06 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - HTL Online - High availablity co-location, security, attack ... | http://www.htlonline.net/ | Jan 18 21:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you DID see this? http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2794660.htm | Jan 18 21:07 |
| *schestowitz looks | Jan 18 21:07 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: ABC The Drum Unleashed - Prioritising life .::. Size~: 181.31 KB | Jan 18 21:07 |
| MinceR | lol ext4 | Jan 18 21:08 |
| schestowitz | "Why are we in a War on Terror at all? Why not a War on Earthquakes, which kill hundreds of thousands more people each year than some goose with incendiary BVDs who was on a suspect-list anyway?" | Jan 18 21:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Jan 18 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Why not a war on cancer? | Jan 18 21:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | Bob Ellis is good. | Jan 18 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Oh wait | Jan 18 21:08 |
| schestowitz | I know the answer to that | Jan 18 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Today: | Jan 18 21:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/18/mandy_science/ | Jan 18 21:08 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Is Mandy right to cut science funding? • The Register .::. Size~: 26.41 KB | Jan 18 21:08 |
| MinceR | War On Death! | Jan 18 21:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/17/britains-business-se.html | Jan 18 21:08 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Britain's Business Secretary wants to turn the nation's back on basic science Boing Boing .::. Size~: 123.13 KB | Jan 18 21:08 |
| schestowitz | "Lord Mandelson has repeatedly said that spending on such subjects should be strongly tied to stuff which is likely to make money. We have pointed out the difficulty in knowing this in advance before, and John Naughton does similar in The Guardian using the example of lasers which moved from being esoteric tools for quantum physicists to an integral part of hundreds of different products from DVD players to barcode scanners." | Jan 18 21:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: anotehr one of his: http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2283190.htm | Jan 18 21:08 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: ABC The Drum Unleashed - Bush's farewell tour .::. Size~: 549.71 KB | Jan 18 21:08 |
| MinceR | War On War! | Jan 18 21:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: War On Windows! | Jan 18 21:09 |
| schestowitz | We should all just memorise phrases from the bible so that we can pray for our loved ones with the cross-shaped tumours | Jan 18 21:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: Windows On War! | Jan 18 21:09 |
| MinceR | War on m$ and crApple! | Jan 18 21:09 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: "evangelism is WAR" | Jan 18 21:09 |
| MinceR | in ad 2101 | Jan 18 21:09 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/comes-3096.pdf | Jan 18 21:09 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting application/pdf type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 18 21:09 |
| MinceR | war was beginning. | Jan 18 21:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://www.gq.com/news-politics/newsmakers/200905/donald-rumsfeld-administration-peers-detractors <-- Eruaran | Jan 18 21:09 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: And He Shall Be Judged: Newsmakers: GQ .::. Size~: 76.67 KB | Jan 18 21:10 |
| schestowitz | War is a vague concept | Jan 18 21:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] http://twitpic.com/yp60r - Battling ScummVM v Dosbox! New article soon. | Jan 18 21:10 | |
| schestowitz | You can have a war between two people | Jan 18 21:10 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Battling ScummVM v Dosbox! New article soon. on Twitpic .::. Size~: 7.67 KB | Jan 18 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Or between two body cells | Jan 18 21:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: that's called a Marriage | Jan 18 21:10 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 18 21:10 |
| schestowitz | My body is having a war on flu | Jan 18 21:10 |
| schestowitz | "I gotta sit down!!!' | Jan 18 21:10 |
| *FurnaceBoy gotta get a coffee | Jan 18 21:10 | |
| FurnaceBoy | actually everyone who hasn't seen Bush's daily briefings as lovingly prepared by Rumsfeld, including crusading Bible quotes, check that link above. ^^ | Jan 18 21:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | they tried to keep the illusion for Bush that god exists, and was guiding him. | Jan 18 21:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | a bit like trying to keep the illusion for a child, that Santa exists, | Jan 18 21:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | and will put gifts in his christmas stocking. | Jan 18 21:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | (except with more death and destruction) | Jan 18 21:13 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: it's like hypnosis, isn't it? | Jan 18 21:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: constant reinforcement. | Jan 18 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Another classic is dressing people up like deities | Jan 18 21:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Free Speech Zones. | Jan 18 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Or having them land in aircrafts | Jan 18 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Bush did that too | Jan 18 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Mana from heaven | Jan 18 21:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: crotch-stuffing | Jan 18 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Or a man from the sky | Jan 18 21:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: perfect | Jan 18 21:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: might is right | Jan 18 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Actually, Hitler did that too... big entrance | Jan 18 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Footage from below | Jan 18 21:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | adulation | Jan 18 21:15 |
| schestowitz | ...To make them look mighty... | Jan 18 21:15 |
| schestowitz | And platforms to heighten them | Jan 18 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Esp. midgets like Sarko | Jan 18 21:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | what better than an aircraft carrier, ultimate symbol of macho power | Jan 18 21:15 |
| MinceR | pft | Jan 18 21:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | they'd have used the Death Star if it had been ready on time | Jan 18 21:15 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: no need for crotch-stuffing | Jan 18 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Not for Bush anyway | Jan 18 21:16 |
| schestowitz | He's all prick | Jan 18 21:16 |
| MinceR | Tarkin Doctrine? :> | Jan 18 21:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i'll take your word | Jan 18 21:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: LOL | Jan 18 21:16 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: http://www.hungarianambiance.com/2010/01/jobbik-will-make-hungary-open-source.html | Jan 18 21:24 |
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| schestowitz | "Jobbik is not a new Linux distribution, but a political party, hell bent on making Hungary an open source powerhouse, if wins the upcoming general election, in April." | Jan 18 21:25 |
| schestowitz | I never heard of it before | Jan 18 21:25 |
| MinceR | they're right-wing extremists | Jan 18 21:30 |
| MinceR | i don't trust them | Jan 18 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Good article: http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Health-Check-Moonlight-904464.html | Jan 18 21:36 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.itpro.co.uk/619540/slackware-linux-less-is-more | Jan 18 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | Same author | Jan 18 21:37 |
| schestowitz | WOW!!!!!!! | Jan 18 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Mac OS 11. | Jan 18 21:38 |
| schestowitz | http://berenguel.blogspot.com/2010/01/minix-on-ipod-where-linux-started.html | Jan 18 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | They went for the KISS UI | Jan 18 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Linux is teh doomed | Jan 18 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Oh, wait.... it's mini minix | Jan 18 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Connecting to iPotz | Jan 18 21:39 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: who is Előd Tóásó ? | Jan 18 21:39 |
| schestowitz | "Előd Tóásó " | Jan 18 21:40 |
| schestowitz | "Ilona Tóth, martyr of the 1956 uprising" | Jan 18 21:40 |
| schestowitz | These are the type of people who toss eggs at executives from the West | Jan 18 21:40 |
| schestowitz | MP house party...... http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_HtSI6QxIfSg/SvcoXkByttI/AAAAAAAACXA/2hzJ71TfaM4/S1600-R/snapshot19_thumb.jpg | Jan 18 21:41 |
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| *FurnaceBoy laughs | Jan 18 21:41 | |
| schestowitz | This man likes war | Jan 18 21:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I dunno, but these names are making me proud of my unicode configuration! | Jan 18 21:41 |
| schestowitz | "Freedom for the politcal prisoners" | Jan 18 21:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.hungarianambiance.com/2010/01/jobbik-will-make-hungary-open-source.html | Jan 18 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: not your taste? | Jan 18 21:42 |
| sebsebseb | Well if Google think Ext4 is stable enough I guess it is? not doing a direct link since comments | Jan 18 21:42 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.linuxtoday.com/high_performance/2010011600535NWHESV | Jan 18 21:43 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Linux Today - Google To Switch To EXT4, Hires Ted To Code .::. Size~: 75.08 KB | Jan 18 21:43 |
| schestowitz | http://maketecheasier.com/kde-4-4-preview/2010/01/18 | Jan 18 21:43 |
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| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: of course ext4 is stable, they're all stable. one just can't infer much from google's choice. | Jan 18 21:45 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: what you mean infer? | Jan 18 21:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | in any case, write-in-place filesystems have only a couple more years of future | Jan 18 21:46 |
| sebsebseb | well it seems data curruption of large files might happen with Ext4 | Jan 18 21:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | they're already obsolete | Jan 18 21:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: how? | Jan 18 21:46 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: the Ubuntu 9.10 release notes mentions/mentioned something | Jan 18 21:46 |
| sebsebseb | for example | Jan 18 21:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: well i'm aware of all the sync rubbish | Jan 18 21:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | i don't use ext* so it isn't of much interest | Jan 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | What do you use? | Jan 18 21:47 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: he was some guy who got involved with something Bolivia, i'm not sure | Jan 18 21:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | that really brings up my point though. every workload is different. | Jan 18 21:47 |
| sebsebseb | what do you mean write-in-place? I don't know that much about file systems, I know Ext is a type can't remember what it's called, and that BTRS will be the newer type | Jan 18 21:47 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah what file system you use? | Jan 18 21:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | google's is extremely specific to google. | Jan 18 21:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: ZFS on solaris, reiser3 on linux. | Jan 18 21:47 |
| MinceR | re 223756 < schestowitz> MinceR: who is Előd Tóásó ? | Jan 18 21:47 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: how many distros still make reiser an option? | Jan 18 21:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: but all write-in-place fs are obsoleted by ZFS and COW systems. | Jan 18 21:48 |
| schestowitz | I think Ubuntu does | Jan 18 21:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: all of them, if you build your kernel. | Jan 18 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Not that I understand why... although developmnt carries on | Jan 18 21:48 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I think people have to some how enable Reiser in Ubuntu or something like that | Jan 18 21:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I don't either. | Jan 18 21:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: R4 is practically production ready now | Jan 18 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it should be renamed | Jan 18 21:49 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz and not just in manual install or gparted either, not sure | Jan 18 21:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: probably. | Jan 18 21:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: people tend to react stupidly to the name | Jan 18 21:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: it must be in the kernel. that's about it. | Jan 18 21:49 |
| MinceR | then those people need to change | Jan 18 21:49 |
| schestowitz | The guy who works on it.. I can't recall his name now | Jan 18 21:49 |
| MinceR | not the name | Jan 18 21:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: good luck :) | Jan 18 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Maybe one of the Russian engineers who worked for Hans under that Nemesis or whatever he caled his company | Jan 18 21:49 |
| MinceR | the planet is full of idiots, that's no need for us to stand on our heads | Jan 18 21:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: there are several, Edward Shishkin seems to be the main guy on R4 | Jan 18 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Shishkin | Jan 18 21:50 |
| sebsebseb | does Hans get to developer Reiser still or not? I mean he is still in prision yeah? | Jan 18 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Alexander | Jan 18 21:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: he's in prison | Jan 18 21:50 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: maybe now he's the spiritual leader | Jan 18 21:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Edward Shishkin, according to my list archives | Jan 18 21:51 |
| schestowitz | /sarcasm | Jan 18 21:51 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: yes and they won't let him develope Reiser whilst in prision? | Jan 18 21:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: more or less | Jan 18 21:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: i don't even think he's interested | Jan 18 21:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: he went into a paranoid implosion | Jan 18 21:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: bit like Daemon | Jan 18 21:51 |
| sebsebseb | what? | Jan 18 21:51 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: Alexander Shishkin works on ext4 | Jan 18 21:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: Hans is a very borderline personality. it came out clearly during the trial. he was obsessed. | Jan 18 21:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: coding is off his radar, afaict | Jan 18 21:52 |
| sebsebseb | obsessed with what? | Jan 18 21:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: odd. maybe two Shishkins do | Jan 18 21:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: managing his own defence. he appeared to be unhinged. | Jan 18 21:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: i've seen nothing from him since his arrest that shows any interest in continuing to 'work' | Jan 18 21:53 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: not seen you in here before I don't think, your new? | Jan 18 21:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: relatively | Jan 18 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Newly born | Jan 18 21:53 |
| sebsebseb | You seem to know about Hans quite a bit, how come? | Jan 18 21:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the maintainer's email is edward.shishkin@gmail.com | Jan 18 21:53 |
| schestowitz | tessier met reiser | Jan 18 21:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: I've studied the case. I study a lot of things. | Jan 18 21:53 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: ok thought that was it you read a lot about it, or maybe you knew him | Jan 18 21:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: no, i don't know him | Jan 18 21:54 |
| schestowitz | alexander.shishckin@gmail.com | Jan 18 21:54 |
| schestowitz | That's the one I find here: | Jan 18 21:54 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: uhmm what about spam? | Jan 18 21:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: must be two of em. maybe brothers | Jan 18 21:54 |
| schestowitz | http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/linux-ext4/list/?order=date | Jan 18 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | Notice spelling | Jan 18 21:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: within the limits of transliteration equivalency :) | Jan 18 21:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: but yeah | Jan 18 21:55 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: the spam bots or whatever it is, that does it, can get emails from your logs, right? | Jan 18 21:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the maintainer is Edward, though. | Jan 18 21:55 |
| sebsebseb | email addresses above | Jan 18 21:55 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: well I assume you also know the joke for that file system now | Jan 18 21:55 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shishkin | Jan 18 21:55 |
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| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: see my comment above | Jan 18 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Шишкин | Jan 18 21:55 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: which? | Jan 18 21:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: some people can't separate the man from his code | Jan 18 21:56 |
| sebsebseb | well some won't use that file system, because of what he did | Jan 18 21:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: kinda like French fries | Jan 18 21:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: that's stupid. end of story | Jan 18 21:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's a perfectly good filesystem. | Jan 18 21:57 |
| sebsebseb | that's also known as... | Jan 18 21:57 |
| sebsebseb | these days a joke | Jan 18 21:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | as far as that goes | Jan 18 21:57 |
| sebsebseb | as a joke | Jan 18 21:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.thedelphicfuture.org/2010/01/conversations-between-my-boys.html | Jan 18 21:58 |
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| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: most Linux users use Ext | Jan 18 21:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | hm. | Jan 18 21:59 |
| sebsebseb | why not others? | Jan 18 21:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: do they? good for them | Jan 18 21:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | i know it's a default in many distros | Jan 18 21:59 |
| sebsebseb | also most LInux users don't really understand about file systems | Jan 18 21:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | the only real game in town is ZFS | Jan 18 21:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | everything else is "dumb luck" | Jan 18 21:59 |
| sebsebseb | or at least Ubuntu users for example | Jan 18 21:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | btrfs might bring some of those advantages to linux | Jan 18 21:59 |
| sebsebseb | ZFS hardly anyone uses that | Jan 18 22:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | or, in a perfect world, oracle would relicense zfs for linux | Jan 18 22:00 |
| sebsebseb | as far as I know | Jan 18 22:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: nonetheless, it supersedes all other filesystems, basically. | Jan 18 22:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: it's not actually a filesystem, to be precise. | Jan 18 22:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: it's available in Solaris and FreeBSD | Jan 18 22:00 |
| schestowitz | AAI: "AAI wrote to the Antitrust Division encouraging vigilance in preventing a loss of competition in the election systems market. " | Jan 18 22:01 |
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| FurnaceBoy | it's impossible to discuss filesystems without including ZFS, since it is the way they all must soon go | Jan 18 22:01 |
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| sebsebseb | I don't know much about file systems | Jan 18 22:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i think you're being attacked | Jan 18 22:01 |
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| sebsebseb | also I thought BTRS is the one that loads of people will be going on about when it's ready | Jan 18 22:02 |
| sebsebseb | BTFS even above | Jan 18 22:02 |
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| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: most of them are evolutions of rather old designs. HFS is 24 years old. FFS even older. | Jan 18 22:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes btrfs has some of the advantages of zfs, but it's not ready. | Jan 18 22:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | zfs has been shipping for about 6 years | Jan 18 22:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | and nothing else today does what it does. | Jan 18 22:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's a different beast | Jan 18 22:03 |
| sebsebseb | right, but zfs does not work on Linux? | Jan 18 22:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | no | Jan 18 22:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | FreeBSD and Solaris 10 and OpenSolaris only | Jan 18 22:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | the linux kernel devs tried to ignore it for a long time :) | Jan 18 22:03 |
| sebsebseb | well then ZFS isn't that relivant really | Jan 18 22:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | uh? | Jan 18 22:03 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: MinceR says there are ctcp floods by botnets | Jan 18 22:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | it *obsoletes* eveyrthing else, sir. | Jan 18 22:03 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: ok, but | Jan 18 22:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: if you study it for a while you'll see how | Jan 18 22:03 |
| sebsebseb | which type of OS out of these has most of the market out of these three, Linux distros, BSD, or Solaris | Jan 18 22:04 |
| sebsebseb | yep Linux distros | Jan 18 22:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: in other words, Linux will eventually get what it does today. | Jan 18 22:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | or some of it. | Jan 18 22:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: market is not really relevant. | Jan 18 22:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: you choose the platform based on what you need. | Jan 18 22:04 |
| sebsebseb | I am on Desktop LInux as a home user | Jan 18 22:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | if Solaris 10 has capabilities way beyond linux, that you need (such as data integrity, etc), then that's what you pick. | Jan 18 22:04 |
| sebsebseb | I don't run a Linux server, I have had LAMP installed before | Jan 18 22:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | right, Solaris+ZFS are good for home, but more aimed at enterprise/server/consolidated | Jan 18 22:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | even so, everyone will have zfs-like capabilities in a few years, it's not optional | Jan 18 22:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | everything else runs on dumb luck, in terms of data integrity. | Jan 18 22:05 |
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| sebsebseb | data integrity in your context meaning what exactly | Jan 18 22:05 |
| sebsebseb | that data is ok | Jan 18 22:06 |
| sebsebseb | not currupted? | Jan 18 22:06 |
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| FurnaceBoy | recoverable, not damaged. | Jan 18 22:06 |
| sebsebseb | well people should be backing up important data else where as well of course | Jan 18 22:06 |
| sebsebseb | home user or business | Jan 18 22:06 |
| sebsebseb | both | Jan 18 22:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | zfs is an entirely new beast, integrity is fundamental. write-in-place can't offer guarantees, nor can RAID | Jan 18 22:06 |
| sebsebseb | that way if a harddisk/filesystem goes wrong not a big deal really | Jan 18 22:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: yes they should | Jan 18 22:06 |
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| sebsebseb | anyway BTFS seems to be the next one | Jan 18 22:07 |
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| sebsebseb | that people will keep on going on about | Jan 18 22:07 |
| sebsebseb | for Linux | Jan 18 22:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | sure, but it's not ready | Jan 18 22:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's heavily inspired by zfs | Jan 18 22:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | there's no other direction, really | Jan 18 22:07 |
| sebsebseb | ZFS might be better, but without a Linux version, it's not relivant for many people | Jan 18 22:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | depends. if you're running a business, you pick the platform based on what you need. | Jan 18 22:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | you don't pick linux if it can't do the job. | Jan 18 22:08 |
| sebsebseb | a business right | Jan 18 22:08 |
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| sebsebseb | ,but | Jan 18 22:08 |
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| sebsebseb | home users, well WIndows, Mac OS X, or a Linux distro such as Ubuntu, maybe Mandriva | Jan 18 22:08 |
| sebsebseb | not that many people will be running BSD or Solaris or something else, as a home user | Jan 18 22:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | OS X nearly had ZFS. Apple pulled out before 10.6. | Jan 18 22:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | they're buildin gtheir own ZFS clone now. | Jan 18 22:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: OpenSolaris makes a nice desktop... all depends what you're doing. | Jan 18 22:09 |
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| sebsebseb | well more software written for Linux distros, than OpenSolaris, that are aimed at home users? right? | Jan 18 22:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: well, windows is the elephant in the room, still :( | Jan 18 22:09 |
| sebsebseb | you mean the one that has most market share? | Jan 18 22:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: OpenSolaris probably won't make a big splash compared to linux. but market share isn't everything, or you'd be on Windows :) | Jan 18 22:10 |
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| FurnaceBoy | Solaris has some pretty amazing technology. | Jan 18 22:10 |
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| sebsebseb | what's OpenSolaris like when it comes to uhmm | Jan 18 22:10 |
| sebsebseb | FLash? | Jan 18 22:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | ha, that's a popular question. I don't run it myself. | Jan 18 22:10 |
| sebsebseb | BSD has to do Flash in a Linux emulation mode | Jan 18 22:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's true if you want stuff like that, life will be smoother on linux, i guess | Jan 18 22:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | but this is Adobe's intransigence, imho | Jan 18 22:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | for many years they didn't even support linux | Jan 18 22:11 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah | Jan 18 22:11 |
| sebsebseb | and they don't support it properly | Jan 18 22:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | and video playback is still suboptimal, isn't it? | Jan 18 22:11 |
| sebsebseb | or we would have Photoshop and such natively for it | Jan 18 22:11 |
| MinceR | why is crApple building their own ZFS clone? | Jan 18 22:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: because they backed out of a deal with Sun. | Jan 18 22:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: probably Jobs couldn't get a year's free blowjobs | Jan 18 22:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: they flirted with ZFS then pulled out, apparently over license terms. | Jan 18 22:12 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: why do you call them crApple ? | Jan 18 22:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: they have some pretty good engineers, it was obvious they were already cloning it. | Jan 18 22:12 |
| MinceR | strange, i thought they could use it per normal FLOSS license | Jan 18 22:12 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: because all they make is crap | Jan 18 22:12 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: such as? Mac? Iphones? Itunes? :D | Jan 18 22:12 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: crApple has engineers? what for? | Jan 18 22:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: have you ever owned a Mac? | Jan 18 22:13 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: their flawed, self-destructing and dangerous hardware and their dumbed-down, DRM-laden software | Jan 18 22:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: many engineers. they ship OS X, you know...and many applications for it. They work on Webkit..etc... | Jan 18 22:13 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: no, and i don't want to | Jan 18 22:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: generally people who hate Apple have never owned APple products, I find. | Jan 18 22:13 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I think I read that they got rid of all the DRM when it came to Itunes | Jan 18 22:13 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: yes, they ripped off Mach and FreeBSD, hacked a crap GUI on top and ended up with OSX | Jan 18 22:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: you should try using it sometime | Jan 18 22:13 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: they ripped off KHTML (the work of the KDE developers) and renamed it to WebKit | Jan 18 22:14 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: indeed at that | Jan 18 22:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: ...which is open source. | Jan 18 22:14 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: i've tried OSX once, it didn't live up to the hype | Jan 18 22:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: do you use Win7 ? | Jan 18 22:14 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: they could have made KHTML better surely, instead of forking it? | Jan 18 22:14 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: so they shouldn't give credit where it's due? | Jan 18 22:14 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: i don't use vista7 | Jan 18 22:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: they do | Jan 18 22:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: what about Vista1 | Jan 18 22:14 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: they could have worked with the KDE developer team | Jan 18 22:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: they do | Jan 18 22:14 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: i don't use that either | Jan 18 22:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: VistaXP ? | Jan 18 22:14 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: not as far as i know | Jan 18 22:14 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: i rarely do use winxp | Jan 18 22:15 |
| sebsebseb | heh at all this unessarey highlighting | Jan 18 22:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | so do i. games :( | Jan 18 22:15 |
| MinceR | (for games, when i have the time) | Jan 18 22:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | yeah | Jan 18 22:15 |
| schestowitz | [22:08] <schestowitz> http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/tblee/google-attacks-highlight-importance-surveillance-transparency | Jan 18 22:15 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Google Attacks Highlight the Importance of Surveillance Transparency | Freedom to Tinker .::. Size~: 32.6 KB | Jan 18 22:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | exactly the same here MinceR | Jan 18 22:15 |
| sebsebseb | games heh | Jan 18 22:15 |
| MinceR | then again, many games i like work just fine on GNU/Linux | Jan 18 22:15 |
| sebsebseb | oh a lot of pretty good native games for Desktop Linux | Jan 18 22:15 |
| sebsebseb | these days | Jan 18 22:15 |
| schestowitz | [22:01] <schestowitz> What the heck of freenode doing again? | Jan 18 22:16 |
| schestowitz | [22:01] <schestowitz> In what sense? | Jan 18 22:16 |
| schestowitz | [22:01] <schestowitz> trmanco had that before too | Jan 18 22:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: GOogle Chrome uses WebKit | Jan 18 22:16 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: well yeah | Jan 18 22:16 |
| MinceR | so does Qt | Jan 18 22:16 |
| sebsebseb | Chrome blah de balh | Jan 18 22:16 |
| sebsebseb | I am a bit sick of it | Jan 18 22:16 |
| sebsebseb | to be honest | Jan 18 22:16 |
| MinceR | and eventually probably so will KDE | Jan 18 22:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: i don't use it | Jan 18 22:16 |
| sebsebseb | reading about it | Jan 18 22:16 |
| sebsebseb | Chrome this Chrome that, blah de blah | Jan 18 22:17 |
| MinceR | but i don't approve of crApple rebranding it and taking credit for it from the fanboys | Jan 18 22:17 |
| sebsebseb | we already had a pretty good browser | Jan 18 22:17 |
| MinceR | as if they invented the wheel in the first place | Jan 18 22:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: I never saw that. everybody knows it's a fork of KHTML | Jan 18 22:17 |
| MinceR | they do that all the time | Jan 18 22:17 |
| sebsebseb | and one that has more market share than a version of IE on it's own, it's just with all versions, IE has most of that market | Jan 18 22:17 |
| MinceR | crApple takes the inventions of others and claims them as their own all the time | Jan 18 22:17 |
| sebsebseb | yes I am on about FIrefox, which is a good number two | Jan 18 22:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: well, tune down the Apple h8, Mr Never Owned a Mac | Jan 18 22:17 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: no, not everybody knows | Jan 18 22:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: save the love for Microsoft | Jan 18 22:17 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: why should i own one of those crap PCs to know how much they suck? it isn't like there's no flow of information | Jan 18 22:17 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: true, they have taken a lot of opensource/freesoftware and then done their own things with it | Jan 18 22:18 |
| sebsebseb | Windows nope, they made their own kernel and GUI and so on | Jan 18 22:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: nobody's forcing you to. the rhetoric is a bit overheated tho | Jan 18 22:18 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: then i don't see what's all the "Mr Never Owned a Mac" crap about | Jan 18 22:18 |
| MinceR | s/crap/crap is/ | Jan 18 22:18 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: plus no legal free upgrade to people who buy a Mac with OS X | Jan 18 22:18 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: plus you got to wait about three years, just like Windows | Jan 18 22:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: what? | Jan 18 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | these days I can get quite bored of an OS in less than six months | Jan 18 22:19 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: btw, crApple pushes software patents all the time. guess what that means to FLOSS if they get their way. | Jan 18 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: propritary software releases slowly | Jan 18 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | with new versions, most of it | Jan 18 22:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: all corporations push patents. I don't like it either. And APple could be a lot more open. | Jan 18 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | opensource/freesoftware development is pretty fast for the popular projects | Jan 18 22:19 |
| schestowitz | "Defensive" | Jan 18 22:19 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: no, not all corporations do | Jan 18 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Everyone's is "defensive" | Jan 18 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Ask countries why they have nukes | Jan 18 22:20 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: and not all corporations sue/FUD others based on them either | Jan 18 22:20 |
| sebsebseb | the popular Linux distros, have two versions a year | Jan 18 22:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Daemon's gun is DEFENSIVE | Jan 18 22:20 |
| sebsebseb | or most of them anyway | Jan 18 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Heck, ask how Germany justified invading neighbours... same reason. | Jan 18 22:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: ...until he fires it | Jan 18 22:20 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: yes | Jan 18 22:20 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: look up crApple vs. Palm as a recent example | Jan 18 22:20 |
| schestowitz | "How else would I defend myself??" | Jan 18 22:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: not with his rapier wit? | Jan 18 22:20 |
| sebsebseb | I got a recording from April last year, that won't go away on the cable box :( | Jan 18 22:20 |
| sebsebseb | stupid propritary hardware | Jan 18 22:20 |
| sebsebseb | and software on there | Jan 18 22:20 |
| sebsebseb | I wonder what it runs actsaully | Jan 18 22:20 |
| MinceR | or if you're looking for attacks on open standards, look up the crApple vs. HTML5/Theora issue | Jan 18 22:20 |
| sebsebseb | anyway it has Vista adverts in it | Jan 18 22:21 |
| sebsebseb | now days it's about Windows 7, give it another two years or so, and they will be on about their next one | Jan 18 22:21 |
| sebsebseb | that's the other thing right there, with propritary stuff, you can't do much with it yourself, if it goes wrong | Jan 18 22:21 |
| MinceR | if you believe jobs' lies that he doesn't want DRM, tell us why OSX has DRM support in its executable format and why jobs (on the board of Disney) doesn't stop Disney from insisting on DRM | Jan 18 22:21 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: ODF too | Jan 18 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Apple pushed OOXML | Jan 18 22:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: I agree , all this is bad. | Jan 18 22:22 |
| MinceR | i didn't know that | Jan 18 22:22 |
| schestowitz | iWorks [NOT...] | Jan 18 22:22 |
| sebsebseb | Windows blah de blah | Jan 18 22:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: my attitude to Jobs is about the same as my attitude to Obama | Jan 18 22:22 |
| sebsebseb | OS X blah de blah | Jan 18 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Works for Microsoft | Jan 18 22:22 |
| MinceR | crApple hurts us in so many ways it's difficult to keep track | Jan 18 22:22 |
| sebsebseb | Google whatever | Jan 18 22:22 |
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| sebsebseb | it's all propritary, it's about making money from people | Jan 18 22:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: nonetheless, save some love for MS. they're still here. | Jan 18 22:22 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they run out of cats | Jan 18 22:22 |
| MinceR | i have no love for m$, FurnaceBoy | Jan 18 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Siamese is the next release | Jan 18 22:22 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: in some ways Windows is actsaully better than OS X | Jan 18 22:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: that's the only right thing to do! profit is everything. | Jan 18 22:22 |
| MinceR | crApple and m$ are two sides of the same coin | Jan 18 22:22 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: depends on the user | Jan 18 22:22 |
| schestowitz | They made no real progress in many years, AFAICT | Jan 18 22:22 |
| schestowitz | I saw OS X like 8 years ago (almost) | Jan 18 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Looks the same | Jan 18 22:23 |
| MinceR | no respect for users, customers or competitors, just a blind push for world domination | Jan 18 22:23 |
| sebsebseb | for profit comapnies is the old way | Jan 18 22:23 |
| sebsebseb | the newer way is | Jan 18 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Dock, Brushed metal.. | Jan 18 22:23 |
| MinceR | and a lot of contempt for their own users | Jan 18 22:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the difference is that it kicked Vista's ass in 2002 | Jan 18 22:23 |
| sebsebseb | non profit organisations more of those, and for profit companies that aren't all about making money | Jan 18 22:23 |
| schestowitz | It's like they paid for some widgets and artists and I don't know what the rest of the hype is about | Jan 18 22:23 |
| schestowitz | I don't need Entourage or Safari | Jan 18 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Just Junk | Jan 18 22:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | Entourage = Microsoft | Jan 18 22:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | not Apple | Jan 18 22:24 |
| MinceR | at least brushed metal looks better than paper with blue lines and drops of blue water | Jan 18 22:24 |
| schestowitz | The former is a cameo to Ballmer | Jan 18 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Promote them | Jan 18 22:24 |
| schestowitz | I know. | Jan 18 22:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | aff, you guys stop baiting me, i need to work :-X | Jan 18 22:24 |
| sebsebseb | take Canonical for example, yes they want to make money in the long run, but no it seems they won't make Ubuntu into a really bad product, whilst doing that. (well ok to be honest I am not that sure about Ubuntu 10.04 at the moment, since development versions don't have all the features yet) | Jan 18 22:24 |
| schestowitz | I offered help back then to some professors with Entourage | Jan 18 22:24 |
| schestowitz | It's a disgrace | Jan 18 22:25 |
| MinceR | it was funny when osx couldn't decide which look it wants and yet crApple fanboys kept blabbering about how great it is that their favorite OS has a consistent look and feel | Jan 18 22:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: ouch | Jan 18 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Jobs did his jobs for Microsoft | Jan 18 22:25 |
| MinceR | i have my worries about canonical/ubuntu | Jan 18 22:25 |
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| MinceR | ctcp flood? | Jan 18 22:25 |
| Omar87__ | schestowitz: http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/01/microsoft_names_ex-rival_mvp.html | Jan 18 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: seems so | Jan 18 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | anything can be done to prevent this? | Jan 18 22:26 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: oh he had to go | Jan 18 22:26 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: or so it seems from the part message | Jan 18 22:26 |
| sebsebseb | wow at some of the kind of people on this network | Jan 18 22:26 |
| schestowitz | [22:24] <schestowitz> He replaced Netscape with MSIE monoculture | Jan 18 22:26 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: i meant Roy | Jan 18 22:26 |
| schestowitz | [22:25] <schestowitz> Defeatist | Jan 18 22:26 |
| schestowitz | [22:25] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: ouch | Jan 18 22:26 |
| schestowitz | [22:25] <schestowitz> And look where he put the Internet | Jan 18 22:26 |
| schestowitz | [22:25] <schestowitz> At the time I also had Netscape on OS 9 | Jan 18 22:26 |
| schestowitz | [22:25] <MinceR> i have my worries about canonical/ubuntu | Jan 18 22:26 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I know, but I just saw FurnanceBoy left | Jan 18 22:26 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy | Jan 18 22:26 |
| sebsebseb | anyway he seems to know his stuff about file systems, and have his opinions about Apple and so on. | Jan 18 22:27 |
| MinceR | i don't get what this sudden burst of crApple defense was for anyway | Jan 18 22:27 |
| rnb | steve jobs = evil | Jan 18 22:27 |
| rnb | google = evil | Jan 18 22:27 |
| sebsebseb | kind of person that would be pretty hard for some of us to win a technical debate/argument against | Jan 18 22:27 |
| rnb | to hell with them all | Jan 18 22:27 |
| sebsebseb | rnb: well Google have some interesting products, but they are also about making money, and locking people in to their products | Jan 18 22:27 |
| rnb | sebsebseb: the more interesting their products, the more people get sucked into their web of evil-ity | Jan 18 22:28 |
| rnb | sebsebseb: so even thats bad | Jan 18 22:28 |
| MinceR | my issue with google is that they collect and hoard a lot more private data than they should | Jan 18 22:28 |
| rnb | sebsebseb: i cant BELIEVE how many major dot-com companies use gmail for their internal communications | Jan 18 22:28 |
| MinceR | and they're openly unscrupulous about it | Jan 18 22:28 |
| rnb | sebsebseb: so fkn dumb | Jan 18 22:28 |
| rnb | sebsebseb: christ, the DOD uses gmail, in fact | Jan 18 22:29 |
| sebsebseb | rnb: well gmail is better than hotmail for home users right? | Jan 18 22:29 |
| sebsebseb | what's the best free email service for home users? | Jan 18 22:29 |
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| sebsebseb | web mail | Jan 18 22:29 |
| MinceR | also all the "do no evil" rhetoric while they help out china with censorship and erode open standards | Jan 18 22:29 |
| rnb | sebsebseb: hushmail? | Jan 18 22:29 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: oh haven't you heard? | Jan 18 22:29 |
| sebsebseb | you don't know the recent | Jan 18 22:29 |
| rnb | sebsebseb: i dont know, there should be a free software alternative | Jan 18 22:29 |
| MinceR | i do | Jan 18 22:29 |
| sebsebseb | Google and China news? | Jan 18 22:29 |
| MinceR | they stopped | Jan 18 22:29 |
| rnb | sebsebseb: lets do it | Jan 18 22:29 |
| MinceR | and claimed it's because china spied on them | Jan 18 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | they want to leave China, because there was an attack | Jan 18 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | on some gmail accounts | Jan 18 22:30 |
| MinceR | it would be difficult to claim that they realized _just now_ what they've been doing was wrong | Jan 18 22:30 |
| rnb | MinceR: they didnt stop censoring | Jan 18 22:30 |
| MinceR | they didn't? | Jan 18 22:30 |
| MinceR | they said they would | Jan 18 22:30 |
| rnb | MinceR: no, they didnt | Jan 18 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | rnb: companies | Jan 18 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | making a profit | Jan 18 22:30 |
| rnb | MinceR: they complained about it only AFTER they noticed that they got owned by chinese hackers | Jan 18 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | and making share holders happy, that's the old way | Jan 18 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | well the current way as well | Jan 18 22:31 |
| rnb | MinceR: but they didnt change anything | Jan 18 22:31 |
| rnb | MinceR: it's just sabre-rattling | Jan 18 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | ,but now days we have more non profit organisations, Mozilla, Linux Foundation, etc | Jan 18 22:31 |
| rnb | sebsebseb: well lets make a free software alternative | Jan 18 22:31 |
| rnb | sebsebseb: i'm there | Jan 18 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | and Linux distribution companies who want to make a profit sure, but probably won't mess up their products big time whilst doing so, well I am starting to winder about Ubuntu | Jan 18 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: so why aren't you sure about Ubuntu? | Jan 18 22:32 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: they still haven't shown any resistance to mono | Jan 18 22:32 |
| MinceR | it could turn out very bad | Jan 18 22:32 |
| sebsebseb | oh Mono thing again | Jan 18 22:32 |
| sebsebseb | Banshee is quite a nice player uses Mono yes | Jan 18 22:32 |
| sebsebseb | F-Spot is ok for graphics | Jan 18 22:32 |
| sebsebseb | Mono uh huh, I am more interested in the new features they will be doing | Jan 18 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | edits to Gnome and such | Jan 18 22:33 |
| MinceR | gnome-do would be nice if it worked with other window managers (or just kwin?) -- as it is it's useless to me | Jan 18 22:33 |
| MinceR | but the rumors of dropping gimp to make room for some mono crap are disturbing | Jan 18 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | well some people think that the people who complain about Mono and such | Jan 18 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | are mainly people who | Jan 18 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | or are only even | Jan 18 22:34 |
| sebsebseb | people who hever never contirubted even a single line of code | Jan 18 22:34 |
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| MinceR | the less we depend on mono the less surface is presented to m$ to attack | Jan 18 22:34 |
| sebsebseb | to an open source project | Jan 18 22:34 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: that's a failed guess | Jan 18 22:34 |
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| MinceR | sebsebseb: and i don't even know how it's supposed to make sense | Jan 18 22:34 |
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| sebsebseb | and are arm chair type people yeah, lazy, and so on, or whatever, well when I had a Mono chat some where else not that long ago, I got told this kind of thing | Jan 18 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Mono is won thing | Jan 18 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | Gnome is another, and oh I am starting to wonder about Gnome | Jan 18 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | they have messed with me twice already | Jan 18 22:35 |
| TheMadHatter | New one for Roy - Chair Chucker is writing for Huffington Post | Jan 18 22:35 |
| TheMadHatter | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-ballmer/improving-government-serv_b_423088.html | Jan 18 22:35 |
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| _Goblin | sebsebseb: Ive seen that argument too...what people fail to realize is that its the non-coders who will in the main consume the packages coders create, if they don't want something then the coders time is wasted. I'd say users are just as important to the life of a project as the coders themselves. | Jan 18 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | oh yeah on the weekend I saw a Steve Ballmer interview | Jan 18 22:35 |
| MinceR | Captain Dildo is trying to remove Gnome from the GNU Project | Jan 18 22:35 |
| schestowitz | meh. | Jan 18 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | BBC Click yeah | Jan 18 22:35 |
| schestowitz | INNOVA~1 | Jan 18 22:36 |
| sebsebseb | and to see the whole thing, I can see on the website | Jan 18 22:36 |
| sebsebseb | at first I had to puase the show, and be like idiot moron etc, then I watched it and well, kind of interesting. seems Ballmer might be getting kicked out soon | Jan 18 22:36 |
| MinceR | meanwhile they're trying to push mono into gnome | Jan 18 22:36 |
| TheMadHatter | Too bad no one told Huffington Post that Ballmer's main innovation is the suggestion that Chair Hurling be added to the summer Olympics. | Jan 18 22:36 |
| schestowitz | No, it's talking others' product | Jan 18 22:36 |
| _Goblin | Im going to patent the unthrowable chair...I'll make a fortune from MS employees. | Jan 18 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Then putting them in Windows and driving the devs out of business | Jan 18 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Like i4i | Jan 18 22:37 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: yes that's basically what I told the person, but they woudn't agree or whatever | Jan 18 22:37 |
| TheMadHatter | No, that was Bill's innovation. | Jan 18 22:37 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: btw it's entirely possible to develop software in an arm chair :> | Jan 18 22:37 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: well yeah | Jan 18 22:37 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: exactly unless it's just some program for just that proggrammer to use, and maybe some of their friends or something | Jan 18 22:37 |
| schestowitz | TheMadHatter: it's just more lobbying from the mafia | Jan 18 22:37 |
| sebsebseb | right whatever | Jan 18 22:37 |
| sebsebseb | do what they want blah de blah | Jan 18 22:37 |
| TheMadHatter | Quick question - anyone live near Teeside? | Jan 18 22:37 |
| Omar87__ | Hi all. | Jan 18 22:38 |
| sebsebseb | ,but when they are making big projects that many people are going to be using, GDM 2, Grub 2, etc | Jan 18 22:38 |
| _Goblin | Is that near Sunderland? | Jan 18 22:38 |
| sebsebseb | then they should be making software for the end users, not them selves, which is what they have done with GDM 2, and maybe also Grub 2 | Jan 18 22:38 |
| TheMadHatter | Don't know - wrong side of pond. | Jan 18 22:38 |
| _Goblin | I'll have a look.... | Jan 18 22:38 |
| sebsebseb | GDM 2 has cleaner code now, but lacks being able to be themed like the old one, which quite a lot of users want | Jan 18 22:38 |
| TheMadHatter | How about Cleveland? | Jan 18 22:38 |
| _Goblin | I was born in Hetton le Hole (nr Durham) | Jan 18 22:38 |
| TheMadHatter | Was wondering if anyone could drop by the court house, and see if a transcript for the OINK trial is available. | Jan 18 22:39 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: Gnome are starting to remove things these days as well | Jan 18 22:39 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: that end users want. so since the lack of themes, theme stuff got removed, but now it's also the icons, the icions are gone for system menu, and now it seems they have also removed the thing that will put them back | Jan 18 22:40 |
| TheMadHatter | Too bad they won't remove Evolution. | Jan 18 22:40 |
| _Goblin | Themadhatter: I think I was born about 30 miles away from Teeside | Jan 18 22:40 |
| sebsebseb | TheMadHatter: I have never used evolution properly, why don't you like it? | Jan 18 22:40 |
| _Goblin | Themadhatter: according to Googlemaps | Jan 18 22:40 |
| MinceR | hm, there's a nice pic of what gnome will look like in the future | Jan 18 22:40 |
| sebsebseb | TheMadHatter: evolution is rather useless, unless an account is set up in it | Jan 18 22:40 |
| TheMadHatter | Evolution is pretty useless, account or not. | Jan 18 22:41 |
| MinceR | http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Next-gnome.png | Jan 18 22:41 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 18 22:41 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: File:Next-gnome.png - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 27.74 KB | Jan 18 22:41 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I have seen some screen shots of Gnome Shell and read a bit about it, I am not sure about it | Jan 18 22:41 |
| sebsebseb | not tried yet | Jan 18 22:41 |
| sebsebseb | TheMadHatter: why do you think that? | Jan 18 22:41 |
| TheMadHatter | In my opinion it is a bloated hunk of junk. | Jan 18 22:41 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: I was favoring Xfce before this Gnome unpleasantness started...its a shame, Ive always prefered Gnome over KDE | Jan 18 22:41 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu 10.04 will have the Gnome 2.28 version not the 2.30 or whatever version I read | Jan 18 22:41 |
| sebsebseb | TheMadHatter: like Thunderbird? Thunderbird 2 :) not tired Thunderbird 3 read a bit about it though and I think saw a screnshot or more as well whatever | Jan 18 22:42 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: XFCE is uhmm well I tried it in Karmic recently, and uh | Jan 18 22:42 |
| sebsebseb | dark | Jan 18 22:42 |
| sebsebseb | dark panel/bar/menu whatever, oh sure probably some way to customize it, but uh dark | Jan 18 22:42 |
| sebsebseb | I don't understand what it is about, all these people wanting dark themes for stuff on the computer | Jan 18 22:42 |
| sebsebseb | black and such | Jan 18 22:42 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: Ive run it with Wolvix now for about a year...... | Jan 18 22:42 |
| TheMadHatter | Also the level of integration into Gnome is problematic - much like IE is integrated into Windows. So if you want to run something else as your corp email client, you are still stuck with Evolution. | Jan 18 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | I don't like white text on a black background much either. black text on a white background on the other hand, that's fine, and default | Jan 18 22:43 |
| MinceR | i find dark themes easier on the eyes, especially at night | Jan 18 22:43 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: since Wolvix still hasnt left beta 2, Im looking for a new distro | Jan 18 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | well I want blue and such on the computer for themes | Jan 18 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | green maybe as well | Jan 18 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | those kind of colours | Jan 18 22:43 |
| MinceR | i have light gray text on dark gray background | Jan 18 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: well PC Linux OS hasn't even left KDE 3 yet | Jan 18 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | well I guess a development version might have | Jan 18 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | read something, basically half the users wanted KDE 3 and the other KDE 4, or something liket hat | Jan 18 22:44 |
| TheMadHatter | And of course since it's so tightly integrated, if an Evolution exploit is found, it leaves you open in a way that Tunderbird wouldn't. | Jan 18 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | read something? yeah something tell me on IRC or whatever | Jan 18 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | TheMadHatter: oh right sounds like IE | Jan 18 22:45 |
| _Goblin | I wish I liked KDE....I just can't warm to it. | Jan 18 22:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Come on Wolvix, when is the next release? Its been in Beta 2 for nearly a year by my reckoning. Great distro, needs update! #wolvix #linux | Jan 18 22:45 | |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: same here | Jan 18 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | well I like a few KDE apps in Gnome | Jan 18 22:45 |
| MinceR | i like KDE | Jan 18 22:45 |
| TheMadHatter | sebsebseb exactly. After being burned by IE, there is no way I'm taking chances like that again. | Jan 18 22:45 |
| _Goblin | agreed | Jan 18 22:45 |
| MinceR | with a few gnome apps | Jan 18 22:45 |
| _Goblin | Klibido springs to mind. | Jan 18 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | TheMadHatter: oh what happended to you? | Jan 18 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | TheMadHatter: I gave a good link earlier | Jan 18 22:46 |
| sebsebseb | that you should read | Jan 18 22:46 |
| MinceR | but i'd like to see more modular DEs again | Jan 18 22:46 |
| TheMadHatter | Drive by download - what else. | Jan 18 22:46 |
| MinceR | both Gnome and KDE are integrating stuff together too much, imo | Jan 18 22:46 |
| TheMadHatter | Try E17 | Jan 18 22:46 |
| MinceR | i have it in mind | Jan 18 22:46 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: what do you mean by that? | Jan 18 22:46 |
| MinceR | mainly because of ecomorph | Jan 18 22:47 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: there are incompatibilities if you try to use some components of a DE but not others | Jan 18 22:47 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: and mysterious daemons that don't work well together | Jan 18 22:47 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: some KDE tray applets require plasma and won't be drawn if they appear in a non-plasma system tray | Jan 18 22:48 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: gnome-do doesn't work with kwin | Jan 18 22:48 |
| sebsebseb | TheMadHatter: http://www.itworld.com/security/93045/dump-internet-explorer-now | Jan 18 22:48 |
| sebsebseb | uh where's the bot? | Jan 18 22:48 |
| sebsebseb | TheMadHatter: well I guess you will know what he is on about in that article and such, but anyway read it | Jan 18 22:48 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Dump Internet Explorer Now | ITworld .::. Size~: 83.46 KB | Jan 18 22:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] http://twitpic.com/ypnc9 - How to tell if you have Mono on your system #mono - Please before anyone gets all rude, its merely light hearted | Jan 18 22:48 | |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: gnome-settings-daemon likes to mess things up if not Gnome is running | Jan 18 22:48 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: How to tell if you have Mono on your system #mono - Please be... on Twitpic .::. Size~: 7.88 KB | Jan 18 22:48 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: yet some gnome apps start it up no matter what | Jan 18 22:48 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: kwin won't render the root window if compositing is enabled but plasma isn't running | Jan 18 22:48 |
| MinceR | stuff like that | Jan 18 22:49 |
| TheMadHatter | don't worry about that shit anymore, dumped windows years ago | Jan 18 22:49 |
| tessier | schestowitz: if you said something to me in the last hour or two I missed it | Jan 18 22:49 |
| MinceR | i dumped IE before i dumped winblows | Jan 18 22:49 |
| *tessier increases the size of the scrollback in his IRC client | Jan 18 22:49 | |
| MinceR | :D | Jan 18 22:49 |
| _Goblin | I dual booted for a while but Ive been 100% clean for about a year and a half. | Jan 18 22:50 |
| *tessier has been 100% MS Free since 1994 | Jan 18 22:50 | |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: also, sometimes more than one screensaver daemons run and that's kind of messy too | Jan 18 22:50 |
| TheMadHatter | me too. but been clear of windows for 3 years now, made my live a lot easier. | Jan 18 22:50 |
| MinceR | i miss the days when i could really just pick and choose the programs from DE-s that i wanted and everything worked as expected | Jan 18 22:51 |
| MinceR | when Gnome gave you a nice list of WMs to choose from in its control center | Jan 18 22:51 |
| MinceR | etc. | Jan 18 22:51 |
| sebsebseb | I have Vista on dual boot, but without those drivers installed, it's well I got something a bit like Gnome Do actsauly | Jan 18 22:51 |
| sebsebseb | instead of the aero thumbnail effect | Jan 18 22:52 |
| TheMadHatter | Windows 3.1 was like that - you could pick and choose. | Jan 18 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | it's just there | Jan 18 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | hardly ever going to boot it up | Jan 18 22:52 |
| MinceR | in windows 3.1, you couldn't replace the window manager | Jan 18 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | oh I used to like Vista, untill two things | Jan 18 22:52 |
| MinceR | changing the window decorations meant painting over the original decorations | Jan 18 22:52 |
| MinceR | etc. | Jan 18 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | I mean I used to not mind Vista much at all untill two things | Jan 18 22:52 |
| MinceR | windows 3.1 was an unimaginable mess | Jan 18 22:52 |
| TheMadHatter | Norton Commander | Jan 18 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | 1. before it deleted my Ext4 seperate home partition twice, yeah twice since the one I had, and then another when I made a new one. I installed Vista twice, well I wanted to destroy for fun first etc, before clean installing | Jan 18 22:53 |
| TheMadHatter | Right, 3.1 was a mess. And you think that it has improved since? | Jan 18 22:53 |
| TheMadHatter | I have a bridge for sale... | Jan 18 22:53 |
| sebsebseb | it wanted to install where a partition was I said go in free space, bye bye Ext4 home partition | Jan 18 22:53 |
| MinceR | in some ways windows has improved, in other ways it got worse | Jan 18 22:53 |
| sebsebseb | 2. I reolized that I liked Vista kind of, but only really since the eye candy it came with, the backgrounds and other pictures | Jan 18 22:54 |
| TheMadHatter | in my opinion, there has been no improvement. | Jan 18 22:54 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: same thing for Ubuntu | Jan 18 22:54 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: in some ways it has improved in other ways it has got worse since 7.10 | Jan 18 22:54 |
| MinceR | i think that replacing the old kernel with NT was an improvement and that getting rid of program manager was an improvement too | Jan 18 22:54 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: indeed | Jan 18 22:55 |
| sebsebseb | 8.04 would have been an even better release, if it didn't have pulse audio | Jan 18 22:55 |
| sebsebseb | oh and that automatic shust down after a minute feature which is really part of Gnome, didn't come untill 8.10, but if could have that in 8.04 as well :D | Jan 18 22:55 |
| MinceR | i could avoid pulseaudio by using Kubuntu | Jan 18 22:56 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Karmic is really Ubuntu's Vista, just most newbies and such don't reolize it | Jan 18 22:56 |
| MinceR | but i hope it will get better | Jan 18 22:56 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: no, that was Intrepid | Jan 18 22:56 |
| sebsebseb | no way | Jan 18 22:56 |
| MinceR | and Jaunty was its vista7 | Jan 18 22:56 |
| sebsebseb | no | Jan 18 22:56 |
| sebsebseb | not at all | Jan 18 22:56 |
| MinceR | Karmic is a lot better than those two | Jan 18 22:56 |
| MinceR | for one thing, it has KDE 4.3 | Jan 18 22:57 |
| TheMadHatter | I used to like Moon OS, but it appears to be dead. | Jan 18 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | 8.10 is my favourite release over all since 8.04, ok the ethernet woudn't just work on other computer, but anyway, plus by the time I finally did it | Jan 18 22:57 |
| MinceR | pretty much the first stable release of KDE4 | Jan 18 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | 9.04 was out anwyay | Jan 18 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Windows-only: http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/239036/live-tv-your-browser Meh. | Jan 18 22:57 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Live TV on your Browser | Manila Bulletin .::. Size~: 20.5 KB | Jan 18 22:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I hope everyone is going to try to make it to Oggcamp 10. It will be my first Oggcamp and will be nice to meet people from the Net! #linux | Jan 18 22:57 | |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/gadgetreviews/?p=11325 | Jan 18 22:57 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Misa Digital Guitar removes the strings, inserts a touchscreen | The Toybox | ZDNet.com .::. Size~: 99.15 KB | Jan 18 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: oh your a KDE user | Jan 18 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | well I was on about Gnome | Jan 18 22:57 |
| MinceR | it would be nice if it still supported installing KDE3 alongside it | Jan 18 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu with Gnome | Jan 18 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: if Gnome messe's up what do we use instead, when we don't like KDE much either | Jan 18 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | as a DE | Jan 18 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | hrm | Jan 18 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I had to use some KDE/Kubuntu stuff to make Karmic better on the other computer | Jan 18 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | yeah KDM intead of that horrible GDM 2 | Jan 18 22:58 |
| TheMadHatter | Try this | Jan 18 22:58 |
| TheMadHatter | http://moonos.linuxfreedom.com/download.html | Jan 18 22:58 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: MoonOS Linux - Download - Linux Freedom .::. Size~: 15.36 KB | Jan 18 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | and when I put Kubuntu on that sorted out the boot up splash :) | Jan 18 22:58 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: you could try XFCE | Jan 18 22:58 |
| MinceR | it's kind of like Gnome Light | Jan 18 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu logo in the centre of the screen on boot up what a joke | Jan 18 22:58 |
| TheMadHatter | XFCE is nothing like Gnome. | Jan 18 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | XFCE is a sort of cut down version of Gnome | Jan 18 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | that also isn't as good or so it seems to me | Jan 18 22:59 |
| MinceR | well, Xubuntu made it a lot like Gnome, but maybe they include a lot of nonstandard add-ons | Jan 18 22:59 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: Ive been Xfce for a while.....no issues or drawbacks! | Jan 18 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: ok well Xubuntu is a uh | Jan 18 22:59 |
| TheMadHatter | Gnome is a kludge. XFCE runs nicely. | Jan 18 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I already knew that | Jan 18 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: I tried some XFCE distro in a vm whenever it was I think PC LInux OS with XFCE, and that was like, this is good | Jan 18 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | Xubuntu is uh how it's set up by default, and even more uh now with Karmic, some dark theme uh | Jan 18 23:00 |
| TheMadHatter | Check out Dream Linux, they have a decent XFCE interface. | Jan 18 23:00 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: you should try Wolvix | Jan 18 23:00 |
| Omar87__ | _Goblin: Ping | Jan 18 23:00 |
| _Goblin | hi! | Jan 18 23:00 |
| sebsebseb | TheMadHatter: ah yes Dream Linux, that Brazion distro that came with a shareware or whatever it is, of a commercial office suite? | Jan 18 23:00 |
| _Goblin | Ive got an appointment with TNA Genesis in a minute...... | Jan 18 23:00 |
| _Goblin | looking forward to it. | Jan 18 23:01 |
| Omar87__ | _Goblin: Can I talk to you in private, just so that we don't fill the channel with WWE spam? | Jan 18 23:01 |
| TheMadHatter | http://www.dreamlinux.com.br/ | Jan 18 23:01 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: what's that? also you say your looking for something that isnt' wolvix since they are still in beta 2 | Jan 18 23:01 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Dreamlinux .::. Size~: 19.11 KB | Jan 18 23:01 |
| sebsebseb | TheMadHatter: I did it in a vm before | Jan 18 23:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @_goblin http://twitpic.com/ypnc9 - How to tell if you have #Mono on your system #mono | Jan 18 23:01 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: How to tell if you have Mono on your system #mono - Please be... on Twitpic .::. Size~: 7.95 KB | Jan 18 23:01 |
| _Goblin | yep...just let me log out then in again with a different client.... | Jan 18 23:01 |
| sebsebseb | more than one even I think | Jan 18 23:01 |
| *_Goblin has quit ("Lost terminal") | Jan 18 23:01 | |
| sebsebseb | anyway yes nice distro, Debian based I think | Jan 18 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Pardus-Linux-2009-1-arrives-Update-906640.html | Jan 18 23:01 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Pardus Linux 2009.1 arrives - Update - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 32.04 KB | Jan 18 23:02 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: 2009.1 ? it's 2010 now | Jan 18 23:02 |
| TheMadHatter | nothing proprietary on Dream Linux | Jan 18 23:02 |
| TheMadHatter | Free software all the way. | Jan 18 23:02 |
| TheMadHatter | _Goblin if you feel insane, try Belinix | Jan 18 23:04 |
| TheMadHatter | http://www.belenix.org/ | Jan 18 23:04 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: BeleniX | BeleniX .::. Size~: 19.39 KB | Jan 18 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Omar87__: you can talk WWE here | Jan 18 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Nothing is off topic here | Jan 18 23:06 |
| _goblin | lol...how do you know? | Jan 18 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Eventualy the discussion gravitates towards the main topics anyway | Jan 18 23:06 |
| sebsebseb | what's WWE? | Jan 18 23:06 |
| schestowitz | _goblin's job | Jan 18 23:06 |
| Omar87__ | schestowitz: I know. : | Jan 18 23:06 |
| Omar87__ | :-) | Jan 18 23:06 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: He collects the sweaty towels and ebays them :-) | Jan 18 23:06 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I guess certain things are off topic here, for example things that don't follow the freenode guidelines | Jan 18 23:06 |
| schestowitz | freenode guildelines? | Jan 18 23:07 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: the network rules yeah | Jan 18 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Like what? | Jan 18 23:07 |
| TheMadHatter | What's Freenode? | Jan 18 23:07 |
| schestowitz | the network you're on right now | Jan 18 23:07 |
| sebsebseb | TheMadHatter: your joking? | Jan 18 23:07 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: he uses the web UI | Jan 18 23:08 |
| TheMadHatter | sebsebseb hehe | Jan 18 23:08 |
| TheMadHatter | sometimes. | Jan 18 23:08 |
| _goblin | lol... | Jan 18 23:08 |
| _goblin | Ive just seen those comments.... | Jan 18 23:08 |
| sebsebseb | TheMadHatter: hmm your on Mac OS X | Jan 18 23:08 |
| schestowitz | TheMadHatter: sudo pet-get install konversation | Jan 18 23:08 |
| schestowitz | *apt | Jan 18 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Freudian slip | Jan 18 23:08 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: indeed, if he wasn't on OS X | Jan 18 23:08 |
| sebsebseb | or Windows or whatever, that isn't a Desktop Linux distro | Jan 18 23:09 |
| TheMadHatter | Hey, I get lazy. Besides, I can't move right now. | Jan 18 23:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] China close to pulling Avatar from cinemas, plot of forced removals too close to home for govt http://tinyurl.com/y96d3a4 | Jan 18 23:09 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Avatar on road to Oscars after Golden Globe wins (contains video) .::. Size~: 108.08 KB | Jan 18 23:09 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: also that command is wrong and you meant this sudo apt-get install konversation for Ubuntu | Jan 18 23:09 |
| sebsebseb | and Debian and so on | Jan 18 23:09 |
| sebsebseb | well if they do apt-get on Debian | Jan 18 23:09 |
| TheMadHatter | Anyone want a Beagle? | Jan 18 23:09 |
| schestowitz | I corrected it | Jan 18 23:09 |
| schestowitz | TheMadHatter: your dog? | Jan 18 23:10 |
| schestowitz | I see you have cats too | Jan 18 23:10 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Oh no :D TheMadHatter is using Mac OS X | Jan 18 23:10 |
| schestowitz | THe random pic thingie in your new blog | Jan 18 23:10 |
| TheMadHatter | yep. fell asleep on my lap. | Jan 18 23:10 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: no, cat | Jan 18 23:10 |
| TheMadHatter | He does cute really well. Brains, well, not so good. | Jan 18 23:11 |
| schestowitz | You can shave a cat, but you can't pierce the skin of an apple | Jan 18 23:11 |
| sebsebseb | China pulling avater from cinema? | Jan 18 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Do they? | Jan 18 23:11 |
| sebsebseb | the notice just now | Jan 18 23:11 |
| schestowitz | They have some hidden messags in all films | Jan 18 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Culural flavours | Jan 18 23:12 |
| sebsebseb | what? | Jan 18 23:12 |
| schestowitz | nm | Jan 18 23:12 |
| schestowitz | long story | Jan 18 23:12 |
| sebsebseb | hidden messages in films | Jan 18 23:12 |
| sebsebseb | media | Jan 18 23:12 |
| sebsebseb | trying to control people | Jan 18 23:12 |
| sebsebseb | you mean? | Jan 18 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Films are more than just films | Jan 18 23:12 |
| schestowitz | They happen to project a lifestyle or moral points | Jan 18 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Like war films | Jan 18 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Ramantic | Jan 18 23:12 |
| schestowitz | *Romantic | Jan 18 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Documentaries with slant | Jan 18 23:13 |
| sebsebseb | what does slant mean? | Jan 18 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Creating yearns and artificial wants | Jan 18 23:13 |
| _goblin | Right Im off to watch TNA Wrestling.........I don't know a 35 year old family man who can't get out of his childhood..............greatstuff! | Jan 18 23:13 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: childhood is ok | Jan 18 23:13 |
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| sebsebseb | films can make people belive things sure | Jan 18 23:13 |
| schestowitz | As long as you don't have a breastfeeding fetish :-| | Jan 18 23:13 |
| sebsebseb | or change their views on things | Jan 18 23:13 |
| schestowitz | China has films too | Jan 18 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Hold ob.... | Jan 18 23:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgKOqUHLhpI | Jan 18 23:14 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- chinese linux AD .::. Size~: 101.24 KB | Jan 18 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Funny. | Jan 18 23:14 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: that's his problem | Jan 18 23:14 |
| TheMadHatter | My childhood involved naked boobs - page3mc.om | Jan 18 23:15 |
| TheMadHatter | er page3.com | Jan 18 23:15 |
| sebsebseb | TheMadHatter: your life might have become easier by not using Windows anymore, but you just replaced one propritary software company for another | Jan 18 23:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/16/sandra-bullock-meryl-stre_n_425758.html | Jan 18 23:16 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Sandra Bullock, Meryl Streep KISS And Tie For Critics' Choice Award (VIDEO, PHOTOS) .::. Size~: 196.94 KB | Jan 18 23:16 |
| TheMadHatter | not really, I'm running a mix of OSX and Linux. | Jan 18 23:16 |
| schestowitz | A little old by now... (IMHO) | Jan 18 23:16 |
| TheMadHatter | Never to old to drool. | Jan 18 23:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ghacks.net/2010/01/18/linux-command-line-tips/ | Jan 18 23:16 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Linux command line tips .::. Size~: 29.86 KB | Jan 18 23:16 |
| TheMadHatter | Even if some of them could be my grand daughters... | Jan 18 23:17 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: I found s/t you might like.... | Jan 18 23:17 |
| schestowitz | http://techexposures.com/2010/01/puppy-linux-arcade-5-super-fast-game-emulator/ | Jan 18 23:17 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Puppy Linux Puppy Arcade 5 Super Fast Game Emulator | Tech Exposures .::. Size~: 26.61 KB | Jan 18 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Sam & Max...... Nostalgia!! | Jan 18 23:17 |
| TheMadHatter | Great looking ladies. | Jan 18 23:17 |
| TheMadHatter | Why not Sabayon Gamers 5.1? | Jan 18 23:17 |
| schestowitz | TheMadHatter: Bullock was attractive when I was like 15 | Jan 18 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Speed. | Jan 18 23:18 |
| TheMadHatter | http://www.sabayonlinux.org/mod/mirrors/ | Jan 18 23:18 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Sabayon Linux Five Oh! .::. Size~: 44.26 KB | Jan 18 23:18 |
| TheMadHatter | Hell, when I was 15 just about everything that had boobs was attractive. | Jan 18 23:18 |
| _goblin | Schestowitz: I take it you have seen: http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2010/01/18/puppy-arcade-5-qa-with-scott-jarvis-the-puppy-goes-retro/ I think my article is better! ;) | Jan 18 23:18 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Puppy Arcade 5 & Q&A with Scott Jarvis The puppy goes retro! « OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 40.13 KB | Jan 18 23:18 |
| TheMadHatter | yeah, but my site looks better :) | Jan 18 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Then there was this futuristic film called something like "the Net"... which I watched at the thretre | Jan 18 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Isn't Bullock history... like DiCaprio? | Jan 18 23:19 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: I knew it was coming, not seen it | Jan 18 23:20 |
| TheMadHatter | no, she's still pretty good looking | Jan 18 23:20 |
| schestowitz | OpenBytes has become a FOSS hub... | Jan 18 23:21 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jan 18 23:21 |
| schestowitz | TheMadHatter: too old for me... :-p | Jan 18 23:21 |
| schestowitz | And she doesn't program j/k | Jan 18 23:22 |
| TheMadHatter | Took night school last fall. Teacher was a young sexy blonde. | Jan 18 23:22 |
| TheMadHatter | 45 years old. | Jan 18 23:22 |
| MinceR | young? :> | Jan 18 23:23 |
| MinceR | or those lines refer to separate people? | Jan 18 23:23 |
| TheMadHatter | Same person. Patti was worth drooling over. | Jan 18 23:23 |
| TheMadHatter | My son who took the same course, was horrified that I thought of that old lady in that way, at which point I reminded him his mother was 49... | Jan 18 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Jan 18 23:25 |
| schestowitz | It's a matter of perspective | Jan 18 23:26 |
| TheMadHatter | Yeah, kids don't know what to do about Dad. Nearly half my friends are gay, but I'm unabashedly hetero. | Jan 18 23:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] After Google hack, Microsoft asks users to abandon IE6, XP - The usual response from MS "give us more money" http://tinyurl.com/ychgx3t | Jan 18 23:28 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: After Google hack, Microsoft asks users to abandon IE6, XP .::. Size~: 29.49 KB | Jan 18 23:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/What-a-Google-Exit-From-China-Could-Mean-for-Android-408710/ | Jan 18 23:28 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: What a Google Exit From China Could Mean for Android - Mobile and Wireless from eWeek .::. Size~: 113.19 KB | Jan 18 23:28 |
| TheMadHatter | Hum, would have been more to the point if they'd have asked users to abandon Windows. | Jan 18 23:28 |
| schestowitz | It's not east | Jan 18 23:29 |
| schestowitz | *sy | Jan 18 23:29 |
| schestowitz | It takes time | Jan 18 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Rehab | Jan 18 23:29 |
| sebsebseb | comments more interesting than the actsual thing http://www.linuxtoday.com/security/2010011601035NWMS | Jan 18 23:30 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Linux Today - Microsoft bots perform denial of service on Perl Testers .::. Size~: 74.8 KB | Jan 18 23:30 |
| schestowitz | http://ostatic.com/blog/open-source-community-rallies-around-popular-foss-editor | Jan 18 23:30 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Open Source Community Rallies Around Popular FOSS Editor .::. Size~: 28.91 KB | Jan 18 23:30 |
| TheMadHatter | How about the blasting that Joe Wilcox took? | Jan 18 23:30 |
| schestowitz | in mswatch? | Jan 18 23:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] France Tells Its Citizens To Abandon IE, Others Disagree - Spot the MS proxy http://tinyurl.com/ydn3nuh | Jan 18 23:31 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | France Tells Its Citizens To Abandon IE, Others Disagree .::. Size~: 136.21 KB | Jan 18 23:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 18 23:31 |
| schestowitz | It's entirely possible that this came about due to an accident or stupidity, but the crafty way to do such things is to do them so you can quickly avow accident/stupidity as an excuse. | Jan 18 23:31 |
| schestowitz | So Ok, let's buy the stupidity argument, but make sure we freely distribute "Microsoft admits stupidity - do you really think Win7 is a good idea?" to all appropriate channels. | Jan 18 23:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 18 23:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-01-16-010-35-NW-MS-0002 | Jan 18 23:31 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Linux Today - Microsoft bots perform denial of service on Perl Testers .::. Size~: 70.67 KB | Jan 18 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Notice how everyone is SMILING: http://www.bing.com/community/forums/p/647019/9535060.aspx | Jan 18 23:32 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Bing - Robots.txt Disallow vs No Follow - Neither Working! - Bing Community .::. Size~: 80.48 KB | Jan 18 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft "community" *LOL* | Jan 18 23:33 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I guess that means you liked that one? | Jan 18 23:33 |
| TheMadHatter | Yeah, felt sorry for Joe. He said publically that the emperor has no clothes, and man, did they jump on him. | Jan 18 23:33 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: flock | Jan 18 23:33 |
| schestowitz | It's like a bank robbery | Jan 18 23:33 |
| schestowitz | When everyone wears a mask with a smiling ex-president | Jan 18 23:33 |
| schestowitz | The mafia too has a community | Jan 18 23:34 |
| schestowitz | And families with kids | Jan 18 23:34 |
| schestowitz | WHom they spank :-S | Jan 18 23:34 |
| schestowitz | TheMadHatter: he still says that quite a bit | Jan 18 23:34 |
| schestowitz | in BetaNews | Jan 18 23:34 |
| schestowitz | I heard he was too damaging for Microsoft in there | Jan 18 23:35 |
| schestowitz | But at least he got readers | Jan 18 23:35 |
| schestowitz | Now they have the most boring (IN THE WORLD) Microsoft puppet | Jan 18 23:35 |
| TheMadHatter | maybe. The trolls really piled onto him. It was hilarious to watch. | Jan 18 23:35 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Nick....... he's like another PR parrot | Jan 18 23:35 |
| TheMadHatter | BTW, did you run this: | Jan 18 23:35 |
| TheMadHatter | http://www.afterelton.com/blog/michaeljensen/john-barrowman-concedes | Jan 18 23:35 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: John Barrowman Concedes the Big Gay Battle Like Only John Barrowman Can | AfterElton.com .::. Size~: 128 KB | Jan 18 23:35 |
| schestowitz | TheMadHatter: I didn't pay much attention | Jan 18 23:35 |
| schestowitz | Anyone, ms-watcn is dead now... nothing to see their but press releases with a narrator | Jan 18 23:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=29301:facebook-sponsors-apache-foundation&catid=107:enterprise&Itemid=65 | Jan 18 23:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | US Blocking Costa Rican Sugar Trade To Force IP Laws http://tinyurl.com/yjjm22d | Jan 18 23:37 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | US Blocking Costa Rican Sugar Trade To Force IP Laws .::. Size~: 153.57 KB | Jan 18 23:37 |
| TheMadHatter | Right, the screwups at Facebook. | Jan 18 23:37 |
| schestowitz | Good; More coverage for Geist's expose | Jan 18 23:38 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010011600435NWBZHU | Jan 18 23:38 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Linux Today - Steve Jobs and Sir Tim Berners-Lee baffle the Brits .::. Size~: 75.55 KB | Jan 18 23:38 |
| TheMadHatter | Roy, follow bsookman in twitter. | Jan 18 23:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.mondaq.com/unitedstates/article.asp?articleid=92388 | Jan 18 23:39 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: United States, Intellectual Property, Jacobsen v. Katzer: Open Source Licensor Prevails On Summary Judgment Motions - Goodwin Procter LLP - 18/01/2010, Copyright, Licensing & Syndication, Litigation, Mediation & Arbitration, Intellectual Property .::. Size~: 60.18 KB | Jan 18 23:39 |
| schestowitz | "District Court for the Northern District of California ruled on the parties' motions for summary judgment in the ongoing open source licensing dispute in Jacobsen v. Katzer." | Jan 18 23:39 |
| TheMadHatter | He regularly fights with Geist. | Jan 18 23:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/henin-rusty-but-victorious-to-advance-at-open/story-e6frg1wu-1225821019477 | Jan 18 23:39 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Henin rusty but victorious to advance at Open | Perth Now .::. Size~: 54.05 KB | Jan 18 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Wow. bad picture | Jan 18 23:40 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: see link I just gave | Jan 18 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Which one? | Jan 18 23:40 |
| schestowitz | LT? | Jan 18 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Oh, that | Jan 18 23:40 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about it earlier | Jan 18 23:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/henin-rusty-but-victorious-to-advance-at-open/story-e6frg1wu-1225821019477 | Jan 18 23:41 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Henin rusty but victorious to advance at Open | Perth Now .::. Size~: 54.05 KB | Jan 18 23:41 |
| TheMadHatter | http://www.barrysookman.com/ | Jan 18 23:41 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Copyright, Intellectual Property, Computer, Internet, e-Commerce Law. .::. Size~: 72.56 KB | Jan 18 23:41 |
| TheMadHatter | bsookman on twitter. CRIA mouthpiece. | Jan 18 23:42 |
| *jono has quit ("Ex-Chat") | Jan 18 23:42 | |
| TheMadHatter | http://twitter.com/bsookman | Jan 18 23:42 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Barry Sookman (bsookman) on Twitter .::. Size~: 36.59 KB | Jan 18 23:42 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/18/grooming-of-bill-gates/ | Jan 18 23:42 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: BBC: Bill Gates a “Famous Thief”? | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 97.38 KB | Jan 18 23:42 |
| TheMadHatter | Claims his site is personal, has nothing to do with his employment. In my opinion that isn't true. | Jan 18 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Jan 18 23:43 |
| schestowitz | That never flies | Jan 18 23:43 |
| sebsebseb | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8465038.stm | Jan 18 23:43 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 76.36 KB | Jan 18 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Same trolls in BN did the same | Jan 18 23:43 |
| TheMadHatter | I've forced him to re-write some of his stuff. | Jan 18 23:43 |
| sebsebseb | hrm silly bot didn't do the title | Jan 18 23:43 |
| schestowitz | "It's nothing to do with where I get my paycheck" | Jan 18 23:43 |
| schestowitz | If the devil paid their mortgage, he too would be fawned by them | Jan 18 23:44 |
| sebsebseb | France joins Germany warning against Internet Explorer | Jan 18 23:44 |
| TheMadHatter | Yeah, well, he doesn't like me either :) Which is the way I like it. Anyway, I gotta run, set up the recording studio (and now you know why I have a Mac) | Jan 18 23:44 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: and the UK goverment won't do a similar warning it says | Jan 18 23:44 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: ,but what to expect from this countrey | Jan 18 23:44 |
| schestowitz | I know | Jan 18 23:44 |
| sebsebseb | now that kind of thing is expected | Jan 18 23:44 |
| schestowitz | The Rgister said so | Jan 18 23:44 |
| schestowitz | I was gonna write about it later | Jan 18 23:44 |
| sebsebseb | TheMadHatter: ok bye | Jan 18 23:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/18/firefox_3_6_release_candidate_2/ | Jan 18 23:45 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Near-ready Firefox 3.6 gets second RC sausage • The Register .::. Size~: 29.49 KB | Jan 18 23:45 |
| *TheMadHatter has quit ("Page closed") | Jan 18 23:45 | |
| sebsebseb | RC sausage that sounds a bit odd | Jan 18 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Reg troll | Jan 18 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Kelly Fiveash | Jan 18 23:45 |
| schestowitz | I never liked her | Jan 18 23:46 |
| *ThistleWeb (n=gordon@unaffiliated/thistleweb) has joined #boycottnovell | Jan 18 23:46 | |
| sebsebseb | it's meant to be pretty good Firefox 3.6 | Jan 18 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft apologist | Jan 18 23:46 |
| MinceR | i'm waiting for Electrolysis | Jan 18 23:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Typo3-updates-patch-holes-906646.html | Jan 18 23:49 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Typo3 updates patch holes - The H Security: News and Features .::. Size~: 31.68 KB | Jan 18 23:49 |
| *schestowitz waits for water to boil | Jan 18 23:49 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft talking point warning: http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10014876o-2000458459b,00.htm | Jan 18 23:53 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Community on ZDNet UK .::. Size~: 113.32 KB | Jan 18 23:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Top movies you will have heard of, are rendered using massive (39,000 node) Ubuntu clusters. Fancy that! http://bit.ly/8CT7ME #fb | Jan 18 23:54 | |
| schestowitz | Adrian Bridgwater is often suspect of this....... | Jan 18 23:54 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: From the Canyon Edge - :-Dustin Kirkland: 39,000-Core Ubuntu Server Cluster Renders Blockbuster Movies .::. Size~: 64.78 KB | Jan 18 23:54 |
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