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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 19th, 2010

*schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9JHHGTvO2Y&NR=1&feature=fvwpJan 19 00:19
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: another guy to follow. http://twitter.com/jeremyscahill/status/7923422607Jan 19 00:25
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rnbyah, jeremy scahill is not badJan 19 00:25
rnbhe needs to branch out beyond blackwater / xe, thoughJan 19 00:25
rnbso, whats new in canada?Jan 19 00:26
rnboh hell, its martin luther king day!Jan 19 00:26
rnbi never have holidays anymore :(Jan 19 00:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@Shoq Other than China in the 70s+30s, there just are no disasters of this magnitude. // China '08 killed about 70K, China '76 killed 240KJan 19 00:28
rnbmm -> http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2010-01/18/content_12827068.htmJan 19 00:31
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rnbcanada out of afghanistan!Jan 19 00:31
rnboh man, i didnt know THIS!Jan 19 00:31
rnbhttp://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2010-01/11/content_12792035.htmJan 19 00:32
phIRCe-localTitle: U.S. to hand over detention center to Afghan gov't_English_Xinhua .::. Size~: 13.14 KBJan 19 00:32
rnbunbelievable!Jan 19 00:32
rnba canadian concentration camp in afghanistan Jan 19 00:32
rnbsee? canada is evil tooJan 19 00:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@0r3z no, simple math. around 9000 gun homicides per annum. You cannot count close to 6000 "terrorism" deaths in the #USA over past 30 yrsJan 19 00:33
FurnaceBoyrnb: oh i dunno. Xe is still around. he can desist when they're gone :)Jan 19 00:34
schestowitz@schestowitz Correct. Google's main servers have never been cracked. http://twitter.com/sjvn/statuses/7916095880Jan 19 00:34
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FurnaceBoyrnb: quite. the major political discomfort for the canadian govt is that they knowingly handed prisoners over for torture.Jan 19 00:34
FurnaceBoyrnb: the prime minister shut down parliament largely to avoid investigation of thisJan 19 00:34
*schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmIaX7W-BFUJan 19 00:35
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FurnaceBoyRoy is good. anti-Iraq war campaigner.Jan 19 00:36
rnbwell they're going to be overseeing torture nowJan 19 00:36
FurnaceBoyrnb: they have been for some timeJan 19 00:36
FurnaceBoyrnb: that's the national shameJan 19 00:36
rnbohhh, with the "proroguing parliament" thingJan 19 00:37
FurnaceBoyrnb: yeah, lemme find you a linkJan 19 00:37
rnbhttp://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/derrick/2010/01/omar-khadrs-plight-part-canadas-scandal-war-and-tortureJan 19 00:37
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rnboops, dinner is hereJan 19 00:38
rnband who the hell is Roy??Jan 19 00:38
FurnaceBoyArundhati RoyJan 19 00:38
rnbohJan 19 00:38
FurnaceBoyheh sorry, overlooked the ambiguity.Jan 19 00:38
rnbi saw someone else talking about Roy recentlyJan 19 00:38
rnbin hereJan 19 00:38
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rnbi thought it was something channel-specificJan 19 00:38
rnb<-- new hereJan 19 00:38
FurnaceBoyit isJan 19 00:38
FurnaceBoyour host is royJan 19 00:38
rnbhuh?Jan 19 00:39
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: yes, she also dares to criticise her country... like NoamJan 19 00:39
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: +1Jan 19 00:39
rnbwe are organizing a huge protest in SFJan 19 00:39
schestowitzShe calls him ChompskyJan 19 00:40
rnbfor march, it will be bigJan 19 00:40
schestowitzCause he's shomping the media, she saysJan 19 00:40
rnbwe had 80-some organizations attend the first meetingJan 19 00:40
schestowitz*chompingJan 19 00:40
schestowitzBut anyway, her talks on Bush are goodJan 19 00:40
schestowitzrnb: what theme?Jan 19 00:40
sebsebsebschestowitz: What do you think of this?  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8457679.stm  I think to embrace technology they should embrace Linux, Open Office, Mozilla Firefox, and other opensource/freesoftware   It finnishes off about lap tops, right, but those are likely to come with Windows and not other operating systems.Jan 19 00:41
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rnbschestowitz: against the wars in iraq/afghanistan/colombia/etcJan 19 00:41
schestowitzhttp://playingwithsid.blogspot.com/2008/11/boycott-novell-protesters-man-handled.htmlJan 19 00:41
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sebsebsebtitle:  Schools must embrace mobile technologyJan 19 00:41
sebsebsebhow about this instead :D   Schools must embrace  LinuxJan 19 00:41
rnbok, be back later, vietnamese food timeJan 19 00:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Think yr job sux? #Saudi throws Kenyan maid out of top floor window http://bit.ly/5pjAjk breaking legs,hands; fed dog food (@alykhansatchu)Jan 19 00:42
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sebsebseb_goblin: you a bout if so ^Jan 19 00:42
FurnaceBoyrnb: http://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/7529352912Jan 19 00:43
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FurnaceBoyrnb: http://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/7510702938Jan 19 00:43
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FurnaceBoyhttp://www.3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2010/01/whats-wrong-with-america-were-cowards.html#moreJan 19 00:54
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: you read this site> http://www.3quarksdaily.com/Jan 19 00:55
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Omar87Does Dream Linux include Mono by default?Jan 19 00:56
ziggyfishhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8463516.stm does this mean we can finally write javascript and CSS that conform to web standards and not have to spend countless hours fixing bugs in IE *Jan 19 00:56
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Omar87ziggyfish: I don't think so.Jan 19 00:57
FurnaceBoyziggyfish: if you mean IE9? then the answer is bwahahahahhahahahahahahahaJan 19 00:57
Omar87ziggyfish: 'coz IE itself is a standards violation of it's own.Jan 19 00:57
FurnaceBoyziggyfish: France has also officially deprecated IE.Jan 19 00:58
Omar87FurnaceBoy: trueJan 19 00:58
FurnaceBoyziggyfish: don't hold your breath for the restJan 19 00:58
*ziggyfish tired of spending days fixing IE 6 bugsJan 19 00:58
FurnaceBoyziggyfish: yep!Jan 19 00:59
FurnaceBoyziggyfish: an american friend of mine got so angry he tried to start a class action over the countless billions wasted in pointless IE make-workJan 19 00:59
FurnaceBoyziggyfish: people were complaining in the *90s* about IE.Jan 19 00:59
ziggyfishWell at least it's a step in the right direction.Jan 19 01:00
FurnaceBoyziggyfish: yes. unlike IE9 :DJan 19 01:00
FurnaceBoy"Hey, this worked so well last time, why don't you try another one?" :PJan 19 01:00
ziggyfishFurnaceBoy, I haven't even looked at IE9Jan 19 01:00
FurnaceBoyziggyfish: life's too short as it isJan 19 01:01
ziggyfishyepJan 19 01:01
ziggyfishanyway time for lunchJan 19 01:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Yes, I think we need one of these, http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/lights/aef3/ Page includes audio samples.Jan 19 01:34
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schestowitzShe's really good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9WtBRNydsoJan 19 01:44
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schestowitzJust finishing the first part......Jan 19 01:45
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schestowitzziggyfish: what's broken in version x will be fixed in x+1Jan 19 01:48
schestowitzAlways vapourwareJan 19 01:48
schestowitzTHey promised compliance in IE7Jan 19 01:48
schestowitzNow they juswt add DirectX garbageJan 19 01:48
FurnaceBoywhy start now.Jan 19 01:48
schestowitzTo counter WebGL of courseJan 19 01:48
FurnaceBoythey're disconnected from the market. they win anyway.Jan 19 01:48
ziggyfishhehJan 19 01:48
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: good point, re WebGL.Jan 19 01:48
FurnaceBoy"Holy heck they must not adopt open standards or we are doomed."Jan 19 01:49
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: they don't winJan 19 01:49
schestowitzTheir s/w margins erodeJan 19 01:50
schestowitzDue to Web services, in partJan 19 01:50
schestowitzThey fail on the WebJan 19 01:50
schestowitzAnd they try to move to ad-based revenue models, in vainJan 19 01:50
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it's just a part of windows.Jan 19 01:50
schestowitzI gotta twit a little now....Jan 19 01:50
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: windows still wins by defaultJan 19 01:50
schestowitz*tweet even :-)Jan 19 01:50
schestowitzWin is now market share/profitJan 19 01:50
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it's true ie is slowly dyingJan 19 01:50
schestowitzI win by having a platform I likeJan 19 01:50
schestowitz /now/not/Jan 19 01:51
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sebsebsebAnyone still here?Jan 19 02:07
*tessier__ is hereJan 19 02:07
sebsebsebok goodJan 19 02:08
*FurnaceBoy is here, on the other handJan 19 02:08
sebsebsebI guess schestowitz has already done a blog entry about this or will be doing oneJan 19 02:08
sebsebsebhoweverJan 19 02:08
sebsebsebhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/2010011600735NWMSDVJan 19 02:08
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sebsebsebI am reading comments the 6th one I like thatJan 19 02:09
sebsebsebso it seems Microsoft like Mono these days?Jan 19 02:10
sebsebseb,because it can be used to get their kind of technology on other platforms,  and maybe they can sue over patents?Jan 19 02:11
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: uh.....Jan 19 02:11
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: they always liked itJan 19 02:11
sebsebsebI already knew something like this, but anywayJan 19 02:11
sebsebsebit just confirms that they like MonoJan 19 02:11
sebsebsebthe article I linked toJan 19 02:11
FurnaceBoyand confirms that de icaza is scumJan 19 02:11
FurnaceBoybut we all knew thatJan 19 02:12
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: Ubuntu like MonoJan 19 02:12
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: that's foolishJan 19 02:12
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: the battle is ongoingJan 19 02:12
sebsebsebwell yeah Mono isn't needed by default in UbuntuJan 19 02:12
sebsebsebit really isn'tJan 19 02:12
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: pretty soon the penny will dropJan 19 02:12
sebsebsebif people want to put Mono apps on them selves such as Banshee or F-Spot well okJan 19 02:13
schestowitzsebsebseb: I did 3 times, sort ofJan 19 02:13
schestowitzsearch the site for "mvp"Jan 19 02:13
sebsebseb,but having Mono stuff in the default install,  that's not really a good thingJan 19 02:13
schestowitz[02:11] <FurnaceBoy> sebsebseb: they always liked itJan 19 02:13
sebsebsebplus they say they run out of the space for the ISO etcJan 19 02:13
schestowitzyesJan 19 02:13
sebsebsebwell  removing Mono stuff would save spaceJan 19 02:13
schestowitzJust more secretly at firstJan 19 02:13
schestowitzThey needed to know how to utiluise teh JudasJan 19 02:13
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: eh?Jan 19 02:13
schestowitz*utiliseJan 19 02:13
sebsebsebschestowitz: you can see an interview with BallmerJan 19 02:13
schestowitzNo thnaksJan 19 02:14
schestowitzI'm eatingJan 19 02:14
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: de icaza has been known as a turncoat for many yearsJan 19 02:14
sebsebsebschestowitz: hehJan 19 02:14
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: you'd have to be super-naive to believe anything good of him or MonoJan 19 02:14
*schestowitz sips teaJan 19 02:14
sebsebsebanyway if anyone is interested there's an interview with BallmerJan 19 02:14
sebsebsebhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/clickJan 19 02:14
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schestowitzThere are manyJan 19 02:14
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: can't think of anything i'd less want to see right now :)Jan 19 02:14
schestowitzHe's talking about marketing and INNOVA~1Jan 19 02:14
schestowitzHis talks I find very dullJan 19 02:14
sebsebsebwell Click was the first one I seenJan 19 02:14
schestowitzI like people who are beyonf just technologyJan 19 02:14
sebsebseband  the full thing is on their site they saidJan 19 02:15
schestowitzPeople like HawkingJan 19 02:15
schestowitzPalm guyJan 19 02:15
sebsebsebbeyonf ???Jan 19 02:15
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Ballmer isn't even beyond greedJan 19 02:15
schestowitzHe's not combining brain analysis with itJan 19 02:15
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: perfect successor to GatesJan 19 02:15
sebsebsebsomething about how Ballmer might get kicked out of Microsoft as wellJan 19 02:15
sebsebsebsoonJan 19 02:15
schestowitzNo inhritanceJan 19 02:15
schestowitzNo successionJan 19 02:15
schestowitzMessJan 19 02:15
schestowitzJust smart PR-wiseJan 19 02:16
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: that's about as useful as Bush changing for Obama. don't you see that the problem must go, not the peopleJan 19 02:16
schestowitzTheir business model is deadJan 19 02:16
FurnaceBoy+1Jan 19 02:16
FurnaceBoyit isJan 19 02:16
schestowitzThey got the memo alreadyJan 19 02:16
FurnaceBoydead man walking, in my view.Jan 19 02:16
sebsebsebMicrosoft's business model is dead?Jan 19 02:16
schestowitzThey sell you papers in an age of InternetJan 19 02:16
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: of course it isJan 19 02:16
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: it has been clear for a long timeJan 19 02:16
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: they are dead men walkingJan 19 02:16
sebsebsebhow can it be?Jan 19 02:16
sebsebsebWindows sellsJan 19 02:16
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: you're kidding?Jan 19 02:16
sebsebsebMicrosoft OFfice sells etcJan 19 02:16
schestowitzIt doesn't sellJan 19 02:16
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: it died years agoJan 19 02:16
schestowitzIt's given awyaJan 19 02:17
sebsebseband to what over a billion people?Jan 19 02:17
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: exactlyJan 19 02:17
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: It *doesn't SELL*Jan 19 02:17
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: it never didJan 19 02:17
schestowitzANd it's just a version like othersJan 19 02:17
FurnaceBoysebsebseb:  they don't compete, and they don't know how.Jan 19 02:17
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: they are UNABLE.Jan 19 02:17
sebsebsebwell yeah quite a lot of Office 2007's have been given away, but also  Windows 7'sJan 19 02:17
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: it's not anywhere in the DNA.Jan 19 02:17
schestowitzMicrosoft relies on sellinng the same s/w (renting) over and over againJan 19 02:17
schestowitzPeople are tiredJan 19 02:17
schestowitzThey stayed with XP (2001)Jan 19 02:17
sebsebsebgiven away, or sold  cheap to students, that kind of thingJan 19 02:17
schestowitzWindows revenue is down 40% BTWJan 19 02:17
sebsebsebMicrosoft  give quite a lot of their software away for free now to students, to lock them inJan 19 02:17
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: that's not a business model, all these tricks are losing their power.Jan 19 02:17
schestowitzYou know why people don't know thisJan 19 02:17
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: they rely on people staying ignorantJan 19 02:18
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: indeed and I know thatJan 19 02:18
schestowitzCeause the marketing company known as Microsoft announced these reaults ON THE SAMW DATE AS VISTA 7 RELASEJan 19 02:18
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: which is not a business model either.Jan 19 02:18
schestowitzIt was by designJan 19 02:18
schestowitzTo mask the terrible results with hypeJan 19 02:18
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: :)Jan 19 02:18
schestowitzSo the papers didn't talk about the massive failureJan 19 02:18
sebsebseba lot of average consumers, don't need Microsoft software, they just don't know itJan 19 02:19
schestowitzThey even named the release data EXACTLY on the same dateJan 19 02:19
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I've been predicting a stock collapse for a little while now, within 2-3 yearsJan 19 02:19
schestowitzIt was an informed (and telling) choiceJan 19 02:19
sebsebsebyes average consumers,  people that aren't that tehnical at computers, in this contextJan 19 02:19
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: insider blogs like minimsft give a very bleak picture. they're dead inside.Jan 19 02:19
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: won't matter, the world has moved on.Jan 19 02:19
schestowitzTo IndiaJan 19 02:19
schestowitzAnd ChinaJan 19 02:19
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: the biggest signal that microsoft is OVER, was Gates' EXIT.Jan 19 02:19
schestowitzSo did MicrosoftJan 19 02:19
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: loads of companies  and  home users, still using MIcrosoftJan 19 02:20
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: it served its purpose.Jan 19 02:20
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: sure, who cares?Jan 19 02:20
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: it served its purpose, capisce?Jan 19 02:20
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: Gates is gone, with the money.Jan 19 02:20
sebsebsebwhat you mean capisce?Jan 19 02:20
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: perfect crime, almost.Jan 19 02:20
schestowitzGates, Poole, Allchin, Valentine, Vaghte, Elliot.....Jan 19 02:20
schestowitzAnd the lisy goes onJan 19 02:20
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: it's over for themJan 19 02:20
schestowitzI wonder what' LEFT insideJan 19 02:20
schestowitzIt's probably some names I never heard ofJan 19 02:20
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: a lot of angst.Jan 19 02:20
sebsebsebthey can't just go away, they have to  support XP stillJan 19 02:20
sebsebsebfor nowJan 19 02:20
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: did you follow minimsft?Jan 19 02:20
sebsebsebApril 2014Jan 19 02:20
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: LOL!Jan 19 02:20
schestowitzBut they dumped these toxic wastes in other companiesJan 19 02:21
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: you think they care about any of that?Jan 19 02:21
schestowitzLike Cisco, Juniper, etc.Jan 19 02:21
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: you think they ever cared about the product?Jan 19 02:21
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: keeping promises?Jan 19 02:21
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: they are organized crimeJan 19 02:21
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: probably not that much, they are very much so about making moneyJan 19 02:21
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: no better than thatJan 19 02:21
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: stealing money. <= correctionJan 19 02:21
schestowitzBeing exposed limits their crime nowJan 19 02:21
schestowitzThey get called for itJan 19 02:21
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: they extort, lie, bribeJan 19 02:21
sebsebseband on the subject of  crime and Microsoft, they have broken anti trust laws  and such yesJan 19 02:21
schestowitzSee PlurkJan 19 02:21
sebsebseba few timesJan 19 02:21
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: the one thing they do not know how to do is compete.Jan 19 02:21
schestowitzGPL violations tooJan 19 02:21
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: LOL!Jan 19 02:21
FurnaceBoythat's the least of it.Jan 19 02:21
schestowitzThey now have a IE red alrtJan 19 02:22
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: that's only what's reportedJan 19 02:22
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FurnaceBoysebsebseb: I have a link for youJan 19 02:22
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: I know they bought out and crushed and so on smaller competitors in the 90's to gain market shareJan 19 02:22
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=2005010107100653Jan 19 02:22
sebsebsebas for Microsoft not knowing how to compete properly, well yes it seems soJan 19 02:22
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sebsebsebah yes groklawJan 19 02:22
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: spend a few hours reading testimony in any of their thousands of lawsuits Jan 19 02:22
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: I'm talking *testimony* not opinionJan 19 02:23
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: in particular, read Gates'Jan 19 02:23
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: as much as you can before you vomitJan 19 02:23
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: your Mr HighlightJan 19 02:23
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: best to get this stuff from the horse's mouthJan 19 02:23
sebsebsebthat used to be highlighing people nearly all the time in  small channelsJan 19 02:23
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: the testimony also reveals there *are* honest people at Microsoft. they just don't last long.Jan 19 02:23
sebsebsebuse to be me aboveJan 19 02:24
sebsebsebused to be me even aboveJan 19 02:24
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: Microsoft competing? HA!Jan 19 02:24
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FurnaceBoysebsebseb: never happened.Jan 19 02:24
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: Microsoft try to become part of loads of computer marketsJan 19 02:24
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FurnaceBoysebsebseb: you don't seem to understand them at all.Jan 19 02:24
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sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: I read something about maybe it was IRC or  just some article or a comment, something about how they move money around the companyJan 19 02:25
sebsebsebwhen their are problemsJan 19 02:25
FurnaceBoyit's a criminal organization and uses only criminal methods. that is not "competing"Jan 19 02:25
FurnaceBoyit's the oppositeJan 19 02:25
sebsebsebMicrosoft used to be ok in the 90's yeahJan 19 02:26
sebsebseb,but then, because of computer ignorantsJan 19 02:26
FurnaceBoyand the people inside are increasingly bitter because it's a shell now with no purpose now the Capo di Capi has vanished with the money.Jan 19 02:26
sebsebsebwe had another 10  years of them being the most popularJan 19 02:26
sebsebsebwell nince yearsJan 19 02:26
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: it was never ok.Jan 19 02:26
sebsebsebnineJan 19 02:26
sebsebseband now here we are in 2010Jan 19 02:26
sebsebsebthey have held back the web, and other aspects of computing, for years nowJan 19 02:26
FurnaceBoypopular means nothing. McDonald's is popular but not food.Jan 19 02:26
FurnaceBoyMicrosoft is popular but not technology or helpful.Jan 19 02:26
sebsebsebMcDonals's is popular and junk foodJan 19 02:26
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: not foodJan 19 02:27
sebsebsebMicrosoft is popular and  most of their technology isn't that goodJan 19 02:27
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: it's also a fake popularity.Jan 19 02:27
sebsebsebwell they killed stuff like Encarta since it coudnt' compete against wikipediaJan 19 02:27
sebsebsebEncarta used to be quite good back then?Jan 19 02:27
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: 30% is popularity. 90% is ballot stuffing.Jan 19 02:27
sebsebsebthey become part of loads of computer markets as I was sayingJan 19 02:28
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: not by any honest meansJan 19 02:28
sebsebsebthey had their own Linux distro at one stage, but now days to be part of the Linux market, they use NovellJan 19 02:28
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: i am not aware they sold linux.Jan 19 02:28
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: they don't use Novell to be "part of a market".Jan 19 02:28
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: they use Novell to further campaigns of disinformation ... the very opposite of competitionJan 19 02:29
sebsebsebanyway I am glad that the Germen and Frence goverments have  done their  IE is bad warningJan 19 02:29
FurnaceBoyme tooJan 19 02:29
FurnaceBoyit's progressJan 19 02:29
FurnaceBoypeople might noticeJan 19 02:29
sebsebsebyou know about the  browser choice screenJan 19 02:30
sebsebsebthat is coming to Windows soon in March I thinkJan 19 02:30
FurnaceBoyyesJan 19 02:30
FurnaceBoythey subverted that tooJan 19 02:30
FurnaceBoyoriginally it required IE! can you imagine!Jan 19 02:30
sebsebsebthat's also progress, altough that  was so they could make the European Commision happyJan 19 02:30
sebsebseboh I didn't know thatJan 19 02:30
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: rightJan 19 02:30
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: there's a lot most people don't know.Jan 19 02:30
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: indeed at thatJan 19 02:31
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: the Tech Press is worthlessJan 19 02:31
sebsebsebcomputing yeah, but also other thingsJan 19 02:31
sebsebsebTech Press you mean more main stream like the BBC for example?Jan 19 02:31
FurnaceBoywell, they are news. but half the computing press is paid off by microsoft anywayJan 19 02:31
FurnaceBoyit's what they call "business"Jan 19 02:31
FurnaceBoyone day we'll look back at this regrettable periodJan 19 02:32
ziggyfishFurnaceBoy, I don't plan tooJan 19 02:32
ziggyfish;)Jan 19 02:32
FurnaceBoyziggyfish: :)Jan 19 02:32
FurnaceBoyziggyfish: maybe in our nightmaresJan 19 02:32
sebsebsebyeah Microsoft will become part of history, eventaulleyJan 19 02:33
FurnaceBoyand we'll all be better for it.Jan 19 02:33
sebsebsebseems soJan 19 02:33
sebsebsebI meanJan 19 02:33
sebsebseba lot of these alternatives for major types of computer programsJan 19 02:33
sebsebsebare  aproving every six months or soJan 19 02:33
FurnaceBoyanyway, their purpose is over now, Gates took the moneyJan 19 02:33
sebsebsebimproving not aproving aboveJan 19 02:33
FurnaceBoyso it's just a matter of waiting for the collapseJan 19 02:33
sebsebsebGnome, KDEJan 19 02:33
sebsebsebUbuntu,  Mandriva, and other distrosJan 19 02:34
sebsebsebetcJan 19 02:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Digital #Guitar Runs #Linux http://ur1.ca/k5f9 http://ur1.ca/k5faJan 19 02:34
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FurnaceBoysebsebseb: the point ppl miss, thanks to a barrage of nonsense, is that these have been "good enough" for a long time.Jan 19 02:34
sebsebsebFirefox are coming out with versions now, that well I haven't really read anything proper yet, but I think versions that aren't just security fixes?Jan 19 02:34
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sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: indeed at thatJan 19 02:34
sebsebsebhowever yeah the average school for example doesn't teach anything that is opensource/freesoftwareJan 19 02:35
sebsebsebit's all propritaryJan 19 02:35
FurnaceBoywhich is wasteful and short-sightedJan 19 02:35
FurnaceBoyand should be illegalJan 19 02:35
sebsebsebthat was low levelJan 19 02:35
sebsebsebthen a bit higher well they might have somethingJan 19 02:35
sebsebseband then universies are of course likely to have somethingJan 19 02:35
sebsebsebyep choice for pretty much everything else, for the masses, but not computingJan 19 02:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Jobs Flow to #GNU #Linux ; X-Rite Comes to Linux (New #SDK ) http://ur1.ca/k5fi http://ur1.ca/k5fjJan 19 02:36
phIRCe-localTitle: Linux News: Community: Dark Clouds - and a Silver Lining - on the Hiring Front .::. Size~: 54.43 KBJan 19 02:36
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sebsebsebthe masses have propritary softwareJan 19 02:36
sebsebseboh and well Firefox is becoming more main strame, so quite a lot of people have that nowJan 19 02:36
FurnaceBoyit's only timeJan 19 02:36
sebsebseb,but your average opensource/freesoftware program nopeJan 19 02:36
FurnaceBoythe point is, the model is done. over.Jan 19 02:36
sebsebsebwell yes this stuff takes timeJan 19 02:37
FurnaceBoyyesJan 19 02:37
sebsebsebtake Ubuntu for exampleJan 19 02:37
sebsebsebas time goes on, more and more people are using itJan 19 02:37
sebsebsebunfortunatlly so far I think a lot of people have tried it and then got back to Windows, because not all their hardware worked or whatever,  but I have a feeling more people will stay with the next one that try itJan 19 02:37
sebsebsebstay as in don't go back to WindowsJan 19 02:37
sebsebsebthey might go to another distro eventaully of course, but that's fineJan 19 02:38
FurnaceBoythe software vendors, the support industry, the schools, the propaganda has been all microsoft's way.Jan 19 02:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Great #GNU #Linux Wallpapers http://gallery.reviewglitz.com/gallery/Jan 19 02:38
phIRCe-localTitle: REVIEWGLITZ GALLERY .::. Size~: 122.89 KBJan 19 02:38
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: they have the OEM's by the balls as certain people sayJan 19 02:38
FurnaceBoywhen ppl realise they've been screwed for decades, things will tip Jan 19 02:38
sebsebsebindeed at  thatJan 19 02:38
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: they prefer it that way. doesn't mean it will stay that way.Jan 19 02:38
sebsebseband more people are starting to reolize thatJan 19 02:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How #GNU #Linux Succeeded in 2009 http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/01/15/2009-3/Jan 19 02:39
phIRCe-localTitle:   2009 at  Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 23.85 KBJan 19 02:39
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: well  I found that out years ago,  that there is this great  computing worldJan 19 02:39
sebsebseboutside WindowsJan 19 02:40
FurnaceBoywhat Microsoft is good at building, is a ghettoJan 19 02:40
FurnaceBoythis is also what they are attempting with FacebookJan 19 02:40
sebsebsebwhat's this about Facebook?Jan 19 02:40
FurnaceBoythey couldn't do it through the standard web, but they see a way to build a toll gate in Facebook.Jan 19 02:40
FurnaceBoywell, that too will fail.Jan 19 02:40
sebsebsebMicrosoft are doing something with Facebook?Jan 19 02:40
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: of course they are.Jan 19 02:40
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: it's their 2nd play for control of the 'netJan 19 02:40
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: and it will failJan 19 02:40
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: we get to laugh :)Jan 19 02:41
sebsebsebwell Canonical  wants to use  Facebook and Twitter and such,  to help them gain a market share for UbuntuJan 19 02:41
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: that's differentJan 19 02:41
sebsebsebsocial  networking features coming to Ubuntu 10.04Jan 19 02:41
FurnaceBoyMicrosoft wants to build a GHETTO, again.Jan 19 02:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Loads of #LCA 2010 Coverage http://ur1.ca/k5fo http://ur1.ca/k5fp http://ur1.ca/k5fq http://ur1.ca/k3ft http://ur1.ca/k2skJan 19 02:41
FurnaceBoythat's all they do.Jan 19 02:41
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FurnaceBoythat's why their model is dead, broken.Jan 19 02:41
phIRCe-localTitle: Computerworld > Rich and varied fare for open-source conference .::. Size~: 21.8 KBJan 19 02:41
phIRCe-localTitle: Hundreds flock to open source software conference | The National Business Review - New Zealand - business, markets, finance, politics, property, technology and more .::. Size~: 30.36 KBJan 19 02:41
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: a GHETTO remind me what that is,  like a big hole full of dirt or something?Jan 19 02:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Interview with Developer of #Chrome OS Zero (GNU/Linux Desktop) http://ur1.ca/k5fs http://ur1.ca/k5ftJan 19 02:42
phIRCe-localTitle: ur1 Generator .::. Size~: 1.93 KBJan 19 02:42
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: a separate isolated place, where people are enslaved, chained, misled, kept in the dark.Jan 19 02:42
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FurnaceBoysebsebseb: a subclass. Jan 19 02:42
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: it's what happens when your model is threatened by open-nessJan 19 02:42
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: well it's not just Microsoft, it's loads of other companies as well who take advantage of computer ignorance and profit from itJan 19 02:43
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: hehJan 19 02:43
sebsebsebcomputer ignoranceJan 19 02:43
sebsebsebI meant to putJan 19 02:43
sebsebsebconsumer ignoranceJan 19 02:43
sebsebsebconsumer is also what the companies call us, which basically means idiotJan 19 02:43
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: when your model is to keep people in the dark, to keep them enslaved and powerless, sooner or later, you fallJan 19 02:43
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: extend the analogy at will :)Jan 19 02:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux is Not #Windows : Primer http://www.linuxadda.com/2009/05/things-to-know-before-replacing-windows-by-linux.htmlJan 19 02:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Amahi 5.1 #GNU #Linux Server is Released http://www.itrunsonlinux.com/news/157-amahi-51Jan 19 02:44
sebsebsebwell just how they suck money out of peopleJan 19 02:44
sebsebseband lock them in to their productsJan 19 02:44
sebsebsebthat kind of thingJan 19 02:44
FurnaceBoyrightJan 19 02:44
phIRCe-localTitle:   Things to know before Replacing Windows by Linux | Linux Adda .::. Size~: 25.56 KBJan 19 02:44
FurnaceBoylock-inJan 19 02:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #CSIRO ( #Australia ) Uses GNU/Linux for Heavy Jobs http://ur1.ca/k5fxJan 19 02:45
phIRCe-localTitle: ur1 Generator .::. Size~: 1.93 KBJan 19 02:45
FurnaceBoylet's think happy thoughts!Jan 19 02:46
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: Facebook is aimed at people who don't know that much about computers and so onJan 19 02:46
sebsebsebthose who have their socail lives, with the younger ones,  likeing to get drunk a lot of them etc, you get the idea I guessJan 19 02:47
sebsebsebHowever  if you want an operating system targeted more at the masses, you need features for them, which is what Ubuntu is starting to doJan 19 02:47
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: sureJan 19 02:48
ziggyfishsebsebseb, trueJan 19 02:48
FurnaceBoyso you too, see progressJan 19 02:48
sebsebsebus geeks, might find some of those features well  not that useable for usJan 19 02:48
ziggyfishFurnaceBoy, Linux is always progressing at a fast rateJan 19 02:48
ziggyfishit's the advantages of Open sourceJan 19 02:49
sebsebsebhowever Ubuntu is no longer about making geeks happyJan 19 02:49
sebsebsebit's about trying to make the "average consumer" happyJan 19 02:49
ziggyfishsebsebseb, which is what Linux needsJan 19 02:49
sebsebsebziggyfish: to be taken a lot more seriously, by companies yesJan 19 02:50
sebsebsebhowever that will come at a price?  as in more malware made for it? However that won't be as bad as WindowsJan 19 02:50
sebsebsebmaybe less malware will be made, because most of these malware writers don't like Windows, but they like other OS's more?Jan 19 02:51
ziggyfishsebsebseb, yes malware will be made for itJan 19 02:51
sebsebsebwe don't need most computer usersJan 19 02:51
sebsebsebwe need aboutJan 19 02:51
ziggyfishbut the malware will only be effective for less timeJan 19 02:51
sebsebseb10% market shareJan 19 02:51
sebsebsebthat's allJan 19 02:51
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: i think a 30% share would be pretty healthy.Jan 19 02:51
sebsebsebenough for  software and hardware companies to take our platform seriously and so make programs for itJan 19 02:51
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: microsoft at a 30-40% share would have to actually do something usefulJan 19 02:52
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: that's trueJan 19 02:52
sebsebsebwell  if they still want to be in the gameJan 19 02:52
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: no, 'one' platform is a perversion that doesn't workJan 19 02:52
sebsebsebwhat you mean perversion?Jan 19 02:52
FurnaceBoy"stubbornly directed toward wickedness or evil; corrupt or sinful"Jan 19 02:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] NX OS is Based on #Linux , Used Extensively in Back Rooms http://ur1.ca/k5gcJan 19 02:53
phIRCe-localTitle:  Management and usability: Extreme goes its own way .::. Size~: 119.71 KBJan 19 02:53
ziggyfishWindows comes closeJan 19 02:53
FurnaceBoyziggyfish: rightJan 19 02:53
FurnaceBoyziggyfish: and it doesn't workJan 19 02:53
FurnaceBoyziggyfish: the monopoly effect is deadly, it disconnects the company from the marketJan 19 02:53
sebsebsebone distro having 30%  on it's own woudn't really be goodJan 19 02:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Makes IT Simpler http://www.infoworld.com/t/education-and-skills/it-getting-too-easy-067Jan 19 02:54
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: call me when that happens :)Jan 19 02:54
phIRCe-localTitle: Is IT getting too easy? | Education and skills - InfoWorld .::. Size~: 85.38 KBJan 19 02:54
sebsebsebor well it will, but what would be better is if the popular distros had say 30%Jan 19 02:54
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: right, there should be competition between distributions. and there will be.Jan 19 02:54
FurnaceBoyyesJan 19 02:54
sebsebseband all of them having about the same amount of market share eachJan 19 02:54
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: right now,  Windows is who these distros should be competing againstJan 19 02:55
sebsebseband most doJan 19 02:55
sebsebsebthat are still developedJan 19 02:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Gigantic #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Servers Make Good Films http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2010/01/39000-core-ubuntu-cluster-renders.htmlJan 19 02:55
phIRCe-localTitle: From the Canyon Edge - :-Dustin Kirkland: 35,000-Core Ubuntu Server Farm Renders Blockbuster Movies .::. Size~: 67.51 KBJan 19 02:55
ziggyfishsebsebseb, why should Microsoft have any market share, considering what they have done the IT industryJan 19 02:55
ziggyfish?Jan 19 02:55
sebsebsebziggyfish: true they deserve to start going bye bye a lot more and this year, but that won't happenJan 19 02:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux 2.6.33 Less Than 2 Months Away http://ur1.ca/k35xJan 19 02:56
FurnaceBoyziggyfish: i think they will have a near-collapse. if they survive it, a good leader may save them some share..Jan 19 02:56
phIRCe-localTitle: Linux.conf.au: Latest Linux kernel release due early March - open source, nvidia, linux kernel, linux.conf.au - Computerworld .::. Size~: 74.98 KBJan 19 02:56
FurnaceBoyziggyfish: i think most likely they will surviveJan 19 02:56
FurnaceBoyziggyfish: they may be bought by somebody who can manage them like a business and not like the MafiaJan 19 02:56
ziggyfishsebsebseb, there has not been a single company that has survive forever.Jan 19 02:56
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: they will probably be bought by somebodyuJan 19 02:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SynaptiCAD Targets #GN #/Linux http://www.electronicstalk.com/news/syv/syv105.htmlJan 19 02:57
ziggyfish*survivedJan 19 02:57
phIRCe-localTitle: SynaptiCAD launches 64bit simulation environment: News from SynaptiCAD Sales .::. Size~: 31.54 KBJan 19 02:57
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: the stock will crash soonJan 19 02:57
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: < 5 yrs imhoJan 19 02:57
sebsebsebah yes Micosofot are about making share holders happyJan 19 02:57
sebsebseband soJan 19 02:57
sebsebsebif enough share holders become not happy with them anymore, bang?Jan 19 02:58
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: now you see why Gates left when he didJan 19 02:58
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: "mission accomplished:Jan 19 02:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of Feed-reading Application for #GNU #Linux http://linuxspin.org/2010/01/12/newsbeuter-feed-reader/Jan 19 02:58
phIRCe-localTitle: Newsbeuter feed reader .::. Size~: 25.29 KBJan 19 02:58
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: could be yeah, and then this stuff about how he is doing chariety work  with his wife,  which I thought since finding out about it, is that it's just an act for the publicJan 19 02:58
sebsebsebmake them think he isn't a bad personJan 19 02:58
FurnaceBoyI can see somebody like IBM buying them cheap and actually running Windows as a real businessJan 19 02:59
sebsebseban act a show for the publicJan 19 02:59
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: yes, it's called reputation launderingJan 19 02:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Games from Older Days Reborn in #GNU #Linux Thanks to #PuppyArcade http://ur1.ca/k5gm http://ur1.ca/k5gnJan 19 02:59
phIRCe-localTitle: Puppy Linux  Puppy Arcade 5 Super Fast Game Emulator | Tech Exposures .::. Size~: 27.48 KBJan 19 02:59
phIRCe-localTitle: Puppy Arcade 5 & Q&A with Scott Jarvis  The puppy goes retro! «  OPEN BYTES  cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 41.92 KBJan 19 02:59
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: ask schestowitz how much 'good' the Gates Foundation actually does.Jan 19 02:59
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: IBM buying Microsoft in the future,  if they start losing market share quite a bit,  that could happen yeahJan 19 02:59
sebsebsebthat makes senseJan 19 02:59
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: i predict a crashJan 19 02:59
FurnaceBoyreallyJan 19 02:59
sebsebsebIBM and Microsoft also used to work together in the old daysJan 19 02:59
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: when put a year on it?Jan 19 03:00
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: less than five yearsJan 19 03:00
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: i sort of think 2-3Jan 19 03:01
sebsebsebcould beJan 19 03:01
sebsebsebalso thinking Ubuntu wellJan 19 03:01
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: look at the history of the stockJan 19 03:01
sebsebsebUbuntu 6.06 LTS yepJan 19 03:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE 4.4 Preview, "Key Quests" http://ur1.ca/k5gq http://ur1.ca/k5gr http://ur1.ca/k5gsJan 19 03:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] When #Microsoft crashes in the next few yrs, I can see somebody like IBM buying them cheap and actually running #Windows as a real businessJan 19 03:01
sebsebsebUbuntu 8.04 yepJan 19 03:01
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phIRCe-localTitle: aseigo: key quest: nepomuk .::. Size~: 93.91 KBJan 19 03:01
phIRCe-localTitle: aseigo: key quest: mobilizing and enabling KDE users .::. Size~: 92.39 KBJan 19 03:01
sebsebsebLTSJan 19 03:01
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: they're out of gas.Jan 19 03:01
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: as planned by GatesJan 19 03:01
sebsebsebLT's being the releases that Ubuntu take properly seriously the others nahJan 19 03:01
sebsebsebUbuntu 10.04 soon.  then Ubuntu 12.04  and then  just after or around the time  XP is planned to lose support in April 2014,   Ubuntu 14.04Jan 19 03:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #GNOME Shell (Core of GNOME 3) http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gnome-shell.htmlJan 19 03:02
phIRCe-localTitle:       Gnome Shell - One desktop to bind them all     .::. Size~: 16.81 KBJan 19 03:02
sebsebseband  they want business's to leave Windows XP by 2012 by the latest, around then there will also be the next version of WindowsJan 19 03:02
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: STOP TWEETING I CAN'T KEEP UPJan 19 03:03
sebsebsebthe BBC or whatever,  well I think an article I read uhmm whatever something about how Windows 7 might be their last successful  Windows  sellJan 19 03:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] In #GNU #Linux, "Less is More", as Proven by #Slackware http://www.itpro.co.uk/619540/slackware-linux-less-is-moreJan 19 03:03
phIRCe-localTitle: IT PRO | Slackware Linux - Less is more .::. Size~: 34.24 KBJan 19 03:03
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: each version competes with its predecessorJan 19 03:03
sebsebsebthat's true as wellJan 19 03:03
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: they wave shiny things but as schestowitz says, people are REALLY tired of itJan 19 03:03
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: schestowitz said where?Jan 19 03:03
FurnaceBoyaboveJan 19 03:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Jobbik: New #GNU #Linux Distribution from #Hungary http://www.hungarianambiance.com/2010/01/jobbik-will-make-hungary-open-source.htmlJan 19 03:04
phIRCe-localTitle: Hungarian Ambiance: Jobbik will make Hungary an open source powerhouse .::. Size~: 116.28 KBJan 19 03:04
FurnaceBoy[21:15:48]  schestowitz | Microsoft relies on sellinng the same s/w (renting) over and over again                                   │Jan 19 03:04
FurnaceBoy[21:15:50]  schestowitz | People are tired                                                                                          │Jan 19 03:04
FurnaceBoy[21:15:55]  schestowitz | They stayed with XP (2001)                                                                                │Jan 19 03:04
sebsebsebwell yeah I suppouseJan 19 03:05
sebsebsebthe average person doesn't really care what OS they runJan 19 03:05
sebsebsebjust as long as they can do what, they want to do on a computerJan 19 03:05
sebsebsebaverage person that uses computers aboveJan 19 03:05
FurnaceBoyyes!Jan 19 03:05
FurnaceBoyand the truth of this is not to Microsoft's gainJan 19 03:05
FurnaceBoyat allJan 19 03:05
FurnaceBoysince MS makes money by STOPPING them doing things.Jan 19 03:06
FurnaceBoybuilding toll gates.Jan 19 03:06
FurnaceBoybuilding obsolescence.Jan 19 03:06
sebsebsebSTOPPING people from doing things with their computers?Jan 19 03:06
FurnaceBoyyes!!!!Jan 19 03:06
FurnaceBoyprecisely this.Jan 19 03:06
FurnaceBoywhen you boil down everything they are about,Jan 19 03:06
FurnaceBoyit's about ppl being forced in any way to pay microsoft for somethingJan 19 03:06
FurnaceBoyif you have what you need already, for free, there's no need for them any moreJan 19 03:07
sebsebsebtrueJan 19 03:07
FurnaceBoy-> OOXMLJan 19 03:07
FurnaceBoylock-inJan 19 03:07
FurnaceBoyDRMJan 19 03:07
sebsebsebwell yes they are a for profit companyJan 19 03:07
FurnaceBoyDirectXJan 19 03:07
sebsebsebthey want people to buy their productsJan 19 03:07
FurnaceBoysee?Jan 19 03:07
sebsebsebthat's what they  aboutJan 19 03:07
FurnaceBoyeverything is a gateJan 19 03:07
FurnaceBoyto pass, you payJan 19 03:07
FurnaceBoythey rev DirectX every year. why? to force you to payJan 19 03:07
sebsebsebApple is another oneJan 19 03:07
FurnaceBoyno technical reasonJan 19 03:07
FurnaceBoyOOXML -> to force you to payJan 19 03:07
FurnaceBoyW7 -> payJan 19 03:07
sebsebsebwhat people don't reolize is that there are great  "free as in price"  alternatives out thereJan 19 03:08
FurnaceBoynot yet :)Jan 19 03:08
sebsebsebfor nearly everything type of computer program they can think of or well all types they can think ofJan 19 03:08
sebsebsebso that's opensource/freesoftware ,but also freewareJan 19 03:08
sebsebsebreally schools should be teaching kids some of this at a young age, but no they don't,  well not the average schoolJan 19 03:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of #NetBSD Live CD http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20100118#feature #bsdJan 19 03:09
phIRCe-localTitle: DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. .::. Size~: 142.86 KBJan 19 03:09
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: need a new pc? buy a new windows license. why do you need a new pc? because windows started running badly. where is the incentive to fix that? none. their business depends on windows degrading.Jan 19 03:09
sebsebsebschestowitz: that heading has been used before for somethingJan 19 03:09
FurnaceBoythat's why it doesn't get fixedJan 19 03:09
FurnaceBoyfixing it is trivial, it was fixed in 1970.Jan 19 03:09
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: I gave schestowitz an article arlierJan 19 03:09
FurnaceBoythey are literally 40 years behind the state of the art.Jan 19 03:09
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: I wanted some commetns, but he didn't give me thatJan 19 03:10
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: yeah the school oneJan 19 03:10
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: anyway maybe you should read that as wellJan 19 03:10
FurnaceBoydunno, this channel gives me indignation overload ;DJan 19 03:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu Women Project Gets New Leader: Amber Graner http://ur1.ca/k5h5 http://ur1.ca/k5h6 CongratulationsJan 19 03:11
phIRCe-localTitle: New Leader for the Ubuntu Women Project  pleia2's blog .::. Size~: 20.01 KBJan 19 03:11
phIRCe-localTitle: Just Me, Amber: Many Thanks! - Ubuntu Women Project - Leader Appointed .::. Size~: 99.65 KBJan 19 03:11
sebsebseb[00:37] <sebsebseb> schestowitz: What do you think of this?  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8457679.stm  I think to embrace technology they should embrace Linux, Open Office, Mozilla Firefox, and other opensource/freesoftware   It finnishes off about lap tops, right, but those are likely to come with Windows and not other operating systems.Jan 19 03:12
phIRCe-localTitle: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 74.71 KBJan 19 03:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Comparison Between #LinuxMint 8 and #Ubuntu 9.10 http://linuxbsdos.com/2010/01/16/linux-mint-8-vs-ubuntu-9-10/Jan 19 03:12
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: and before I put in the title anyway yeah ^  and you schestowitz  ^Jan 19 03:12
phIRCe-localTitle: Linux Mint 8 vs Ubuntu 9.10   LinuxBSDos.com .::. Size~: 64.23 KBJan 19 03:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BAESystems Chooses #Linux for Massacre of People http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/marketwire/0577442.htmJan 19 03:13
phIRCe-localTitle: BAE Systems Selects MontaVista Software to Power New Artillery and Naval Gun Systems  .::. Size~: 38.91 KBJan 19 03:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware -Oriented, #Linux -Powered Console Gets Good Reviews http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/r/Other/Pandora/news.asp?c=17837Jan 19 03:14
phIRCe-localTitle: Pandora handheld gaming device first impressions incredibly favourable | Pandora news | Pocket Gamer .::. Size~: 68.03 KBJan 19 03:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia 's Linux Phone Runs #Quake 3, #Google Maps http://ur1.ca/k5hf http://ur1.ca/k5hgJan 19 03:16
phIRCe-localTitle: [Phoronix] ioquake3 Engine Running On Nokia N900 .::. Size~: 16.5 KBJan 19 03:16
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FurnaceBoynice chattinJan 19 03:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple Co-founder Chooses #Linux , not #HypePhone http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-10435979-71.htmlJan 19 03:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #ARM Sub-notebooks Run #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/k5hm neat: http://ur1.ca/k5hoJan 19 03:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Linux #Phones Coming fro Nokia After Success with #Droid http://ur1.ca/k5hw http://ur1.ca/k5hxJan 19 03:20
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Minix Sits on Devices http://berenguel.blogspot.com/2010/01/minix-on-ipod-where-linux-started.htmlJan 19 03:30
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia Tries to Revive #Symbian with Free/Open Source Software http://ur1.ca/k5ii http://ur1.ca/k5ijJan 19 03:31
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla #Firefox 3.6 Reached RC https://developer.mozilla.org/devnews/index.php/2010/01/17/firefox-3-6-release-candidate-updated/Jan 19 03:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #JBoss Founder Speaks About #MySQL #Database Situation http://ur1.ca/k5j1 also http://ur1.ca/k5j2Jan 19 03:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Censorship Runs Rampant http://ur1.ca/k5jv http://ur1.ca/k5jw http://ur1.ca/k5jx http://ur1.ca/k5jyJan 19 03:49
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Corruption and Deceit Around #ACTA http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/4704/125/ #whitecollarcrimeJan 19 03:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Statistics About the #USPTO Makes It Look Bad http://www.itwire.com/content/view/30532/1066/Jan 19 03:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Wikipedia Gains Authority Among Monopolists http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/2010/01/wikipedia-citations-in-patents-up-59-percent.htmlJan 19 03:55
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #PatentTrolls and Their Conspirators Get Money from #Cisco After Suing Employee http://ur1.ca/k5keJan 19 03:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LG President Mocks Windows Mobile and Goes with #Linux http://ur1.ca/k5kwJan 19 04:07
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schestowitz[02:59] <FurnaceBoy> sebsebseb: ask schestowitz how much 'good' the Gates Foundation actually does.Jan 19 04:12
schestowitzMellon, Rockerfeller, etc.Jan 19 04:12
schestowitzWe love to love the Big Criminals :-)Jan 19 04:13
schestowitzAnd trivialise their crimesJan 19 04:13
schestowitzhttp://dickhardt.org/2010/01/no-more-dick-at-microsoft/Jan 19 04:34
schestowitz"Yesterday was my last day at Microsoft. I worked there a year. When I reflect on 2009, I think of it as the Year of Darkness. I only  wrote a couple blog posts. I was inactive in the OpenID community. I did not talk to press or analysts. I gave no public presentations."Jan 19 04:34
phIRCe-localTitle: No More Dick at Microsoft  Dick Hardt dot org .::. Size~: 34.58 KBJan 19 04:34
schestowitzFired?Jan 19 04:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@MSF_USA PL RT #MSF plane with meds for Choscal Hospital turned away again from #Haiti, back to DR http://bit.ly/8hYZOK // why?Jan 19 04:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @schestowitz follow this guy. RT @buzzflash The Disaster Profiteering Companies Make Their Move on Haiti: http://tinyurl.com/ygpbjx6Jan 19 04:43
phIRCe-localTitle: RebelReports -US "Security" Companies Offer "Services" in Haiti .::. Size~: 21.01 KBJan 19 04:43
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] I am currently pissed off; so called both mom and friend to share something, sadly both are unavailable :(Jan 19 04:56
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Nurse gives people insulin shot instead of flu vaccine, yet somehow she isn't fired http://ur1.ca/k5pkJan 19 05:41
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Next #Android is called Froyo not Flan... #Google doesn't want to be associated with Dr. Desty Nova I guess http://ur1.ca/k5poJan 19 05:41
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] This image is disturbing for camera owners http://ur1.ca/k5pvJan 19 05:46
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] If I hear about ths damned #Apple product one more time! http://ur1.ca/k5q9Jan 19 05:46
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #CBS locks up rare Jack Benny films because they can't be bothered to lawyer the problem http://ur1.ca/k5qaJan 19 05:46
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #3D #math gives me a boner http://ur1.ca/k5qg #scienceJan 19 05:51
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Many years ago, a man had a dream http://ur1.ca/k5qi #mlkJan 19 05:51
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #ReactOS imports #Wine code http://ur1.ca/k4thJan 19 05:51
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Weapons maufacturer has Biblical references on weapons, "In the name of God, ye not guilty" missing http://ur1.ca/k5qo !miotdJan 19 05:51
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phIRCe-localTitle: Secret "Jesus" Bible codes inscribed on American military weapons Boing Boing .::. Size~: 204.31 KBJan 19 05:51
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] R4 game console mod hardware importer in #Uk sentenced to 12 months in prison, and has not pirated any game http://ur1.ca/k5qw #policestateJan 19 06:01
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Diamond oceans possible on Uranus, Neptune http://ur1.ca/k5r4 #scienceJan 19 06:01
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DaemonFChttp://helpmysql.org/en/petitionJan 19 06:56
phIRCe-localTitle: Save MySQL! » SIGN THE PETITION .::. Size~: 24.81 KBJan 19 06:56
Diablo-D3save mysql? why?!Jan 19 07:07
DaemonFC"Dallas 'Koshka' Helton: Anyone who spends that much time typing out a Linux defence needs to go greet Mr. Sun."Jan 19 07:07
DaemonFC"Ryan Farmer: I just found it horrifying that Microsoft certifies programs "Windows 7 Compatible" that don't even finish installing on Windows 7. How do you even know if what you're buying works until you take it home, open it, and can't return it?"Jan 19 07:08
DaemonFC"Ryan Farmer: I mean, I could kind of see where you might gamble and lose if you bought Fallout 3 as a Windows program and tried installing it in Wine, but it actually fails worse on Windows."Jan 19 07:10
DaemonFChttp://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60I0KB20100119Jan 19 07:13
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DaemonFC"The FBI collected more than 2,000 records on U.S. telephone calls by invoking terrorism emergencies that did not exist or by persuading phone companies to provide them, The Washington Post reported on Tuesday."Jan 19 07:13
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Omar87Howdy all.Jan 19 07:15
DaemonFChttp://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-military-weapons-inscribed-secret-jesus-bible-codes/story?id=9575794Jan 19 07:15
phIRCe-localTitle: U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes  - ABC News .::. Size~: 65.56 KBJan 19 07:15
DaemonFCit's not the soldiers that are putting them on there eitherJan 19 07:16
Diablo-D3ha haJan 19 07:16
Diablo-D3[12:49:28] -BNi/#boycottnovell- [diablod3/@diablod3] Weapons maufacturer has Biblical references on weapons, "In the name of God, ye not guilty" missing http://ur1.ca/k5qo !miotdJan 19 07:16
phIRCe-localTitle: Secret "Jesus" Bible codes inscribed on American military weapons Boing Boing .::. Size~: 208.25 KBJan 19 07:16
DaemonFCuggghJan 19 07:17
DaemonFCanother embarrassment Jan 19 07:17
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DaemonFCI gave Fox News a bad rating on WOT for ethical issuesJan 19 07:24
DaemonFC:PJan 19 07:24
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DaemonFChttp://download.cnet.com/8301-2007_4-10433650-12.htmlJan 19 07:32
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DaemonFCI have mine set up with Aero and the IE 8 themeJan 19 07:32
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DaemonFChttp://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2633/57626042.pngJan 19 07:52
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DaemonFCand thats what you getJan 19 07:52
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DaemonFChttp://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/Should-you-dump-Internet-Explorer-NOW/1263750606Jan 19 08:07
phIRCe-localTitle: Should you dump Internet Explorer, NOW? | Betanews .::. Size~: 196.79 KBJan 19 08:07
DaemonFCBeta News is now encouraging users to ditch MSIEJan 19 08:07
DaemonFC"I've long accused Microsoft of conducting "security by PR" campaigns instead of clearly disclosing security risks. Security by PR seeks to minimize the real risk while disclosing information about a vulnerability."Jan 19 08:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Am I the only person who sits in a traffic queue and dreams of pulling a lever to engage flying mode? Stupid motorway. Stupid cars. #fbJan 19 08:25
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DaemonFChttp://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601116&sid=aB.lRKfI3JCQJan 19 09:37
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DaemonFCPirates hijack tanker, Pirates ransom tanker, Greece pays the ransomJan 19 09:38
DaemonFCPirates kill each other fighting over the moneyJan 19 09:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] BSA pushing for EU swpats: "Work towards a litigation regime to promote innovation by small and large European firms" http://i5.be/akJJan 19 09:56
DaemonFC"Everyone should be aware by now that Internet Explorer gives you about as much security as walking into a yard full of angry rabid rottweilers while wearing a meat suit.Jan 19 10:12
DaemonFCpart of my comment on that BetaNews articleJan 19 10:13
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DaemonFCThis album is $47.73 on iTunes, $20.99 on Amazon MP3, and $13.99 at FYE for the CDJan 19 10:27
DaemonFCyay for music download stores :PJan 19 10:27
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fewawtf, the price of ram has gone UP since I bought mine ?!?!?!Jan 19 10:39
fewa4 GB ddr2 2X2 was ~60 a year agoJan 19 10:39
fewaand now is like $90Jan 19 10:39
Diablo-D3ddr2 is getting rarerJan 19 10:40
fewaso it gets more expensive?Jan 19 10:40
Diablo-D3depends, lemme lookJan 19 10:40
DaemonFCyeahJan 19 10:40
fewaI just thought it would stop getting cheaperJan 19 10:40
DaemonFClook at what they want for regular DDRJan 19 10:40
fewawhile the new stuff (ddr3) continues to get cheaperJan 19 10:40
Diablo-D3800 or 1066?Jan 19 10:40
fewaanythingJan 19 10:41
Diablo-D3the question does matterJan 19 10:41
Diablo-D31066 is a fair bit more expensive than 800 Jan 19 10:41
fewa800Jan 19 10:41
DaemonFCI have 8 GB of 1066Jan 19 10:41
DaemonFCin this systemJan 19 10:41
fewai have 8GB 800Jan 19 10:41
Diablo-D3cheapest I see is $80Jan 19 10:41
Diablo-D3corsair 2x2 ddr2-800, $82Jan 19 10:42
DaemonFCplus another 1 GB of DDR3 on my GPUJan 19 10:42
fewai got mine for $55 and $60Jan 19 10:42
DaemonFCWindows still counts that toward your limitJan 19 10:42
Diablo-D3or cosair xms2 2x2 ddr2-800 for $80 after rebateJan 19 10:42
fewaDiablo-D3, _its_ limitJan 19 10:42
fewaartificial at thatJan 19 10:42
DaemonFCso if I maxed out my board to 16 GB of DDR2 1066, and had 1 GB on the GPU, Windows would only see 15 GB of RAMJan 19 10:42
DaemonFCyes, artificialJan 19 10:42
fewahttp://www.fsf.org/bulletin/2007/fall/antifeatures/Jan 19 10:43
Diablo-D3no, they're making far less of itJan 19 10:43
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Diablo-D3most of the ddr2 fabs are now running ddr3Jan 19 10:43
DaemonFCit's nothing more than them enforcing a limitJan 19 10:43
fewayesJan 19 10:43
phIRCe-localTitle: Antifeatures by Benjamin Mako Hill - Free Software Foundation .::. Size~: 32.34 KBJan 19 10:43
fewabut would that that wouldn't make it more expensiveJan 19 10:43
fewajust cease getting cheaperJan 19 10:43
Diablo-D3actually it wouldJan 19 10:43
DaemonFCif I bought a Windows 7 Professional serial and punched it in, it would see all 16 GB and the 1 GB on the GPU againJan 19 10:43
fewademand is downJan 19 10:43
fewahoweverJan 19 10:43
Diablo-D3demand is actually upJan 19 10:43
fewaand those ddr3 fabs can make ddr2Jan 19 10:43
DaemonFCthat's the only differenceJan 19 10:43
Diablo-D3since demand stayed level and production went downJan 19 10:43
DaemonFCwhat serial you have punched inJan 19 10:44
Diablo-D3ddr3 demand is still going up, but since so much ddr3 is being produced, price is going downJan 19 10:44
Diablo-D3and memory prices in general are going upJan 19 10:44
Diablo-D3due to economic issuesJan 19 10:44
DaemonFCWindows 7 Home Premium has all the features of Enterprise, but the extras that are in Pro/Enterprise are disabledJan 19 10:44
Diablo-D3corsair xms2 2x2 ddr2-1066 is $90 after rebateJan 19 10:44
DaemonFCpunch in a new serial and Windows can enable them for you, don't even put the DVD inJan 19 10:45
Diablo-D3wow, why the hell are ddr2 prices so high?Jan 19 10:45
Diablo-D32x2 ddr2-667 is $94Jan 19 10:45
Diablo-D3its actually cheaper to shove high end memory inJan 19 10:45
DaemonFCthey see it as spare parts for systems already sold that can't handle DDR3Jan 19 10:46
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DaemonFCless demand means the price goes upJan 19 10:46
fewaDiablo-D3, that usually happensJan 19 10:46
fewathe high speed cheaperJan 19 10:46
DaemonFCI have an AM2+ motherboard and CPUJan 19 10:46
fewajust consolidationJan 19 10:46
Diablo-D3yes, Im well aware thatJan 19 10:46
fewaand that is what gets produced moreJan 19 10:46
DaemonFCso it's not even just a matter of replacing the RAMJan 19 10:46
Diablo-D3*of thatJan 19 10:46
Diablo-D3but ddr2 shouldnt have spiked this hardJan 19 10:46
fewahigh clockJan 19 10:46
Diablo-D3it'll go away, but wtf.Jan 19 10:47
fewayesJan 19 10:47
fewaway expensiveJan 19 10:47
fewawhen it was way cheaper a year agoJan 19 10:47
Diablo-D3I paid $90 for a 2x2 of ddr2-1066 two years agoJan 19 10:47
fewaare fabs energy intensive?Jan 19 10:47
Diablo-D3so thats fucked upJan 19 10:47
Diablo-D3fabs are energy intensive BUTJan 19 10:47
Diablo-D3they're all in taiwanJan 19 10:47
fewacoalJan 19 10:47
DaemonFCwhere there's no laws to protect the air and waterJan 19 10:47
DaemonFCor workersJan 19 10:48
DaemonFC:)Jan 19 10:48
Diablo-D3patriot 2x2 ddr3-1333 is $96Jan 19 10:48
Diablo-D3which is about on parJan 19 10:48
fewahttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231183Jan 19 10:48
phIRCe-localTitle: Newegg.com - G.SKILL 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Quad Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL6Q-16GBMQ - Desktop Memory .::. Size~: 113.86 KBJan 19 10:48
fewafin expensiveJan 19 10:48
Diablo-D3ddr2-1066 and ddr3-1333 have similar pricesJan 19 10:48
Diablo-D3fewa: dont buy 4x packsJan 19 10:48
fewai knowJan 19 10:48
fewabut 2x packs same priceJan 19 10:48
Diablo-D3they're never priced reasonablyJan 19 10:48
DaemonFC$439?Jan 19 10:48
Diablo-D3but yeah likeJan 19 10:48
DaemonFCthen why do they sell them that way?Jan 19 10:49
Diablo-D3ddr3-1333 and ddr2-1066 are usually priced the sameJan 19 10:49
Diablo-D3so ddr2-800 and 667 prices are really elevatedJan 19 10:49
fewahttp://www.pricewatch.com/gallery/system_memory/ddr2-800_pc2-6400_8gb_kitJan 19 10:49
phIRCe-localTitle: Best Price  DDR2-800 PC2-6400 8GB Kit System Memory .::. Size~: 23.39 KBJan 19 10:49
Diablo-D3lolol pricewatchJan 19 10:49
fewaok, a little better price, newegg is laggingJan 19 10:49
*Diablo-D3 hasnt used that in like 10 yearsJan 19 10:49
Diablo-D3I woudlnt say better price, btwJan 19 10:50
fewaI use it for commodity stuffJan 19 10:50
Diablo-D3newegg has about a 10% premium for perfect serviceJan 19 10:50
Diablo-D3I'd rather pay the 10% premium then have to go rape someoneJan 19 10:50
DaemonFCfewa: They have 16 GB for $1200 of DDR2 667Jan 19 10:50
DaemonFCthey're 8 x 2Jan 19 10:50
DaemonFC:PJan 19 10:50
DaemonFChttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134994&cm_re=16_GB_ddr2-_-20-134-994-_-ProductJan 19 10:51
phIRCe-localTitle: Newegg.com - Kingston 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR2 FB-DIMM ECC Fully Buffered DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) System Specific Memory Model KTD-WS667/16G - System Specific Memory .::. Size~: 96.53 KBJan 19 10:51
fewai dont see thatJan 19 10:51
DaemonFCB-)Jan 19 10:51
fewawow, if you have money to throw around...Jan 19 10:51
fewamy motherboard supports thatJan 19 10:51
DaemonFCthat's a really lousy dealJan 19 10:51
Diablo-D3yeah, sticks above 2gb are really fucking expensiveJan 19 10:51
Diablo-D3fewa: ermJan 19 10:51
Diablo-D3thats a fb-dimmJan 19 10:51
fewaohh, whoopsJan 19 10:51
Diablo-D3I doubt your board supports itJan 19 10:51
DaemonFCwouldn't some BIOSes have trouble with that?Jan 19 10:51
DaemonFC8 GB in each slot?Jan 19 10:52
DaemonFCby some I mean mostJan 19 10:52
fewa8GB unbuffered non-ECCJan 19 10:52
fewayesJan 19 10:52
Diablo-D3it either _only_ uses fb-dimms, or it doesnt support themJan 19 10:52
Diablo-D3the only consumer machines that do/did are really mac prosJan 19 10:52
fewastupidJan 19 10:52
fewabuffered seems like a wasteJan 19 10:52
DaemonFCunbuffered non-ECC is about the best you'll do on price obviouslyJan 19 10:52
Diablo-D3buffered doesnt do what you think it doesJan 19 10:53
fewado they make ECC unbuffered?Jan 19 10:53
Diablo-D3and fb-dimms arent "buffered"Jan 19 10:53
fewait slowed it down 1 clockJan 19 10:53
Diablo-D3they use multiple 1bit serial lanesJan 19 10:53
fewa*slowsJan 19 10:53
Diablo-D3in other words, they're not like memory sticks at allJan 19 10:53
Diablo-D3they're like sata, pci-e, and displayportJan 19 10:53
fewawierdJan 19 10:53
DaemonFCECC just means that if your RAM starts going bad, you won't realize it for a while longerJan 19 10:54
Diablo-D3well, it actually works greatJan 19 10:54
DaemonFCand it costs much moreJan 19 10:54
Diablo-D3you basically have a full communications hub on the stick itselfJan 19 10:54
Diablo-D3which also means, ultimately, universal memory supportJan 19 10:54
fewaconplexity creates problemsJan 19 10:54
Diablo-D3since the memory controller in the northbridge/cpu speaks fb-dimm instead of specific kinds of memoryJan 19 10:54
Diablo-D3not really complexityJan 19 10:54
DaemonFCI can't explain why Apple does some of the things they doJan 19 10:54
Diablo-D3it actually reduces the complexity a lotJan 19 10:54
fewatiming issuesJan 19 10:54
Diablo-D3no, it _reduces_ the timing issuesJan 19 10:55
DaemonFCrelying on niche parts for no reason makes no senseJan 19 10:55
Diablo-D3why do you think everyone switched to 1 bit busses?Jan 19 10:55
fewayes, exactlyJan 19 10:55
fewathats what i was sayingJan 19 10:55
Diablo-D3its a genius move to apply it to memoryJan 19 10:55
fewa"conventional" ram requires exact timingJan 19 10:55
Diablo-D3the "dumb" half of the memory controller is on the stick itselfJan 19 10:55
Diablo-D3which, on k8s/k10s and i7/5/3s its on the northbridgeJan 19 10:56
Diablo-D3(where the "memory controller", ie, the smart half is in the cpu)Jan 19 10:56
Diablo-D3its far less complexity in the long runJan 19 10:57
Diablo-D3plus it means I can plug anything inJan 19 10:57
Diablo-D3ddr4 comes out? so what? I just plug in ddr4 fb-dimmsJan 19 10:57
Diablo-D3but fb-dimm is now quite deadJan 19 10:57
Diablo-D3oh, and it also meant I could put as many chips on a stick as I wantedJan 19 10:57
Diablo-D3or use 1T memoryJan 19 10:57
Diablo-D3and future revisions of the fb-dimm standard could also allow different fetch sizesJan 19 10:58
Diablo-D3so, I could do a 256bit fetch on one stickJan 19 10:58
Diablo-D3instead of needing two sticks and two fetches to two itJan 19 10:58
Diablo-D3fewa: but yeahJan 19 10:59
Diablo-D3back to bufferedJan 19 10:59
Diablo-D3all it does is buffer the pulseJan 19 10:59
Diablo-D3see, memory essentially works on a large pulse, and then you do all the activity after itJan 19 10:59
Diablo-D3buffered allows memory farther away from it's controller, or more sticks Jan 19 10:59
Diablo-D3you dont need buffered on normal machines Jan 19 11:00
Diablo-D3you need it when you have a shitload of sticks on giant serversJan 19 11:00
TheMadHatterwe need to go back to dip 128k chips. simpler.Jan 19 11:00
Diablo-D3TheMadHatter: thats the ironyJan 19 11:00
Diablo-D3we never leftJan 19 11:00
TheMadHatterI know.Jan 19 11:00
Diablo-D3a simm just puts x chips on a stick, and you plug the whole stick inJan 19 11:01
Diablo-D3you address them essentially the same wayJan 19 11:01
TheMadHatterssddJan 19 11:01
Diablo-D3a dimm puts them on both sides.Jan 19 11:01
Diablo-D3fb-dimm was the first time in like 30 years that we actually used new techJan 19 11:01
TheMadHatterand what do you think was new?Jan 19 11:02
Diablo-D3fb-dimmJan 19 11:02
Diablo-D3it moved the dumb part of the memory controller onto the stickJan 19 11:02
Diablo-D3as in, the part that actually does the addressing is now inside the productJan 19 11:03
TheMadHatterjust a variation on a theme. Nothing new. Just moved. Whoppy!Jan 19 11:03
Diablo-D3yeah, but its now no longer tied into the systemJan 19 11:03
TheMadHatterstill nothing new.Jan 19 11:03
Diablo-D3I could plug it into ten billion SSD drives Jan 19 11:03
Diablo-D3and the system would never be the wiserJan 19 11:04
TheMadHatterYou sound like Gene Quinn.Jan 19 11:04
Diablo-D3who?Jan 19 11:04
TheMadHatterhttp://www.ipwatchdog.com/Jan 19 11:04
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Diablo-D3TheMadHatter: this is essentially the large problem thoughJan 19 11:05
Diablo-D3memory tech wont change much as long as you cant change itJan 19 11:05
Diablo-D3fb-dimms dont have to use any JEDEC standard.Jan 19 11:05
TheMadHatterOh, you are painting it white? Great. We'll ad that as a claim on the patent - white paint refelcts heat helping keep the unit coller.Jan 19 11:06
TheMadHatterer coolerJan 19 11:06
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TheMadHatterbrainless twitJan 19 11:07
Diablo-D3who?Jan 19 11:07
TheMadHatterGene QuinnJan 19 11:07
Diablo-D3I should read his shit if its that badJan 19 11:10
Diablo-D3could be good for a couple lulzJan 19 11:10
TheMadHatterAccording to him everything is novel, and therefore patentable.Jan 19 11:11
DaemonFCyeah, the bitch of it is that anyone rooting for i4i is rooting for the same patent system Microsoft and friends use to beat up free software withJan 19 11:14
DaemonFCbut as long as the system is there either way, you might as well enjoy the occasional inconvenience for the bad guysJan 19 11:15
TheMadHatterDefine novelJan 19 11:15
DaemonFCTheMadHatter: If you can define the thing to be patented a little differently than the last guy, you get an almost identical patentJan 19 11:16
DaemonFCand sue each otherJan 19 11:16
DaemonFC:DJan 19 11:16
TheMadHatterbecause when you do, 99.99% of current patents don't meet the requirement.Jan 19 11:16
DaemonFCyeah, there's millions of patents out there that only exist because nobody has challenged them yetJan 19 11:16
TheMadHatterThis causes a massive drag on the economic system, hurting innovation.Jan 19 11:17
DaemonFCit's like FUSAG, the diversionary "force" of inflatable rafts and cardboard cutouts used to confuse the NazisJan 19 11:17
DaemonFCbefore D-DayJan 19 11:17
TheMadHatterpoint is, if the patent office was doing its job, you woudn't have to challenge them.Jan 19 11:18
TheMadHatterthey wouldn't have been gratned.Jan 19 11:18
TheMadHatterer grantedJan 19 11:19
DaemonFCyeah, they're not technically doing their jobJan 19 11:19
DaemonFCtechnicallyJan 19 11:19
TheMadHatterNo technically about it.Jan 19 11:20
DaemonFCthey're doing the job that corporate patent trolls pay them to doJan 19 11:20
TheMadHatternot even that.Jan 19 11:20
TheMadHatterRead thisJan 19 11:20
TheMadHatterhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_driveJan 19 11:20
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DaemonFCanother problem is how long a patent lasts and how much research it takes to make sure you're not infringingJan 19 11:21
TheMadHatterno, that's not the problem. The problem is that 99.99% of patents are shit.Jan 19 11:21
DaemonFCVorbis has never been able to prove they don't infringe on patents just because of the sheer legal expenses to do an exhaustive searchJan 19 11:21
TheMadHatterWhy should they have to?Jan 19 11:21
DaemonFCFhG has been dancing around for years trying to FUD Vorbis with a few patentsJan 19 11:22
DaemonFCone of the ones they cited back in 2004 expires this yearJan 19 11:22
TheMadHatterstop and think for a minute.Jan 19 11:22
TheMadHatter99.99% of patents are invalid. What does this mean economically?Jan 19 11:23
DaemonFCif anyone ever exposed that, then every company (especially tech) would crash and burnJan 19 11:23
TheMadHatterno - stop and think - what does it mean?Jan 19 11:23
DaemonFCwell, the patent system is the foundation of most tech businessesJan 19 11:24
DaemonFCif they lost nearly all their patents, they'd be fuckedJan 19 11:24
cubezzzit used to be patents only lasted 20 years or soJan 19 11:24
TheMadHatterstop and think - what does it meanJan 19 11:24
cubezzzdon't think they go on foreverJan 19 11:24
TheMadHattersimplify it - 2+2=Jan 19 11:24
DaemonFCcubezzz: They don'tJan 19 11:24
DaemonFCbut there are a few ways they can be extendedJan 19 11:25
DaemonFCmost MP3 patents were approved in the late 80s, early 90sJan 19 11:25
TheMadHatterforget extentions -what does it mean that 99.99% of patents are invalid?Jan 19 11:25
DaemonFCand lots of them have already expiredJan 19 11:25
DaemonFCso they obviously don't last foreverJan 19 11:26
TheMadHatterthe MP3 patents are invalid.Jan 19 11:26
DaemonFCin some places I'm sureJan 19 11:26
TheMadHatterin all places. where is the noveltyJan 19 11:26
fewapatents cant work in fast moving fields, especially the artsJan 19 11:27
fewasuch as CSJan 19 11:27
cubezzzthere's no world-wide software patents is there?Jan 19 11:27
cubezzzit's confusing Jan 19 11:27
TheMadHatterforget software - we are talking all patents (since they are all the same)Jan 19 11:27
fewawhat is currently going on is similar to big-church patenting the even-tempered scale during the middle agesJan 19 11:27
fewain order to prevent the enlightenmentJan 19 11:27
DaemonFCI think, and it's just my guess, that Vorbis did so well in spite of having to avoid dozens of MP3 patents, because the patented way MP3 does something usually wasn't the best way it could be doneJan 19 11:28
TheMadHatterit is amazing how blind people are.Jan 19 11:28
fewaand out-law anybody but the church from using the common musical scaleJan 19 11:28
fewa(which is not dissimilar to actual politics)Jan 19 11:28
DaemonFCfewa: Illiteracy was their friendJan 19 11:28
DaemonFCstill isJan 19 11:28
fewalike the "witchcraft" of the printing pressJan 19 11:29
fewanow its babiesJan 19 11:29
fewaoverpopulation by demonizing birth controlJan 19 11:29
DaemonFCChristians should like abortionJan 19 11:29
TheMadHatterboy are you guys confused.Jan 19 11:30
DaemonFCmeans they have more kids than the averageJan 19 11:30
fewaDaemonFC, they make money off adoptionJan 19 11:30
fewahttp://www.thenation.com/doc/20090914/joyceJan 19 11:30
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DaemonFChow is that?Jan 19 11:30
cubezzz"Jan 19 11:30
cubezzzUnder recent changes in the laws, in the United States patents are now granted for a term of 20 years from the date of application (14 years for design patents). Different rules apply for patents covered by applications filed before June 8, 1995. Patents may be extended only by a special act of Congress (except for certain pharmaceutical patents)."Jan 19 11:30
kecskebakTheMadHatter - are you talking about economic parasitism? The fact that patents are a huge drain on the real economy?Jan 19 11:30
DaemonFCobviously I'm barred from adopting even if I wanted to, for one reasonJan 19 11:30
fewaHow am i confused?Jan 19 11:30
fewakecskebak, what is the "real" economy?Jan 19 11:31
kecskebakProductive - making thingsJan 19 11:31
DaemonFCnopeJan 19 11:32
DaemonFCowning thingsJan 19 11:32
fewaconsuming natural resources?Jan 19 11:32
kecskebakNot alwaysJan 19 11:32
TheMadHatterFinally - someone who is awake. Yes, parasatic drain. Which raises costs for everyone associatted.Jan 19 11:32
DaemonFCmaking things is never as profitable as owning thingsJan 19 11:32
DaemonFCask the guy who built the house and the landlord that "owns" and "rents" itJan 19 11:32
fewaTheMadHatter, agreed it is parasatic drain, but how am i confused?Jan 19 11:33
Diablo-D3[06:09:35] <TheMadHatter> According to him everything is novel, and therefore patentable.Jan 19 11:33
Diablo-D3most things are not novelJan 19 11:33
TheMadHatterthey are confused.Jan 19 11:33
DaemonFCask who made more money off that over the next 10 yearsJan 19 11:33
fewathe patent racketeersJan 19 11:33
Diablo-D3generally, if I've personally thought of it during my life on this planet, its not novelJan 19 11:33
Diablo-D3in fact, I can almost say everything has already been thought ofJan 19 11:33
Diablo-D3we're only finding new ways of using old ideasJan 19 11:33
kecskebakDaemonFC - the economy is set up to be friendly to rentiers. That's why property speculation is so profitable.Jan 19 11:34
Diablo-D3PLUSJan 19 11:34
TheMadHatterparasatic drain. Country with strongest patent protection, has the most fucked up economy.Jan 19 11:34
fewaI cant believe the patent system hasn't been laughted into obscurityJan 19 11:34
Diablo-D3this conversation shouldnt be happeningJan 19 11:34
Diablo-D3software patents are not validJan 19 11:34
Diablo-D3periodJan 19 11:34
Diablo-D3under US lawJan 19 11:34
fewaits a mighty feat of social bullshit that keeps it afloat in any mannerJan 19 11:34
TheMadHatterpatents are not valid. period.Jan 19 11:34
Diablo-D3even uspto is basically going to have to admit itJan 19 11:34
DaemonFCa landlord can rent out a house for $20,000 a year, the guys who built it probably got paid 1970s wages for a few monthsJan 19 11:34
Diablo-D3patents areJan 19 11:34
Diablo-D3but like 90% of patents in the US are of things that cant be patentededJan 19 11:35
TheMadHatteruspto can't. rules aren't written to allow them to admit the truth.Jan 19 11:35
DaemonFCnow who made more money, the guy that did something or the guy who sits on his ass?Jan 19 11:35
Diablo-D3TheMadHatter: actuallyJan 19 11:35
Diablo-D3they dont have toJan 19 11:35
Diablo-D3the highest law in the land, which is higher than them, already said this 200 years agoJan 19 11:35
cubezzzthe owner of a house still has to do maintainance and repairsJan 19 11:35
Diablo-D3and that law stems from british patent lawJan 19 11:35
cubezzzor pay for itJan 19 11:35
Diablo-D3which lets you go back ANOTHER 200 yearsJan 19 11:35
Diablo-D3and say its notJan 19 11:35
DaemonFCcubezzz: The lanlord hires from the same pool he exploits for unfair rentJan 19 11:35
fewacubezzz, yepJan 19 11:35
DaemonFCthe workersJan 19 11:35
DaemonFChe doesn't fix it, he sends one of his poorly paid peons to MacGyver a fixJan 19 11:36
fewaDaemonFC, do you have a garden?Jan 19 11:36
cubezzzif you own a house you also must pay property taxJan 19 11:36
DaemonFCcubezzz: Capped at 1% of assessed value in IndianaJan 19 11:36
kecskebakIf you remove income tax, sales tax and put taxes on unearned income - capital gains - then the economy would encourage work. At the moment it discourages it.Jan 19 11:36
cubezzzif you're rent was really low you might even be better offJan 19 11:36
fewakecskebak, would encourage the depleation of natural resourcesJan 19 11:37
DaemonFCso he probably rents it for $20,000 a year, pays about $1500 in tax, pays "Billy Joe Bob" a few bucks to slap things back together once in a whileJan 19 11:37
DaemonFCat the very worse he's making $10,000 a year on this placeJan 19 11:38
DaemonFCand maybe up to $15,000Jan 19 11:38
DaemonFC*worstJan 19 11:38
fewaDaemonFC, 1% of the population "owns" 90% of the paper wealthJan 19 11:38
kecskebakfewa I disagreeJan 19 11:38
TheMadHatterWhat about the $250,000.00 he has invested?Jan 19 11:38
DaemonFCno, that's 10% of the population owning 90% of the wealthJan 19 11:39
cubezzzit's really the ratio between wages and expenses that countsJan 19 11:39
DaemonFCthe top 1% has about a thirdJan 19 11:39
fewakecskebak, you must eliminate tragedies of the commonsJan 19 11:39
TheMadHatterHeh. Like this:Jan 19 11:39
TheMadHatterhttp://mashable.com/2010/01/19/microsoft-downplays-ie-hole/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Mashable+%28Mashable%29&utm_content=Google+ReaderJan 19 11:39
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DaemonFCand 90% of the population fights like hungry dogs for the last 10%Jan 19 11:39
cubezzzthere's some truth to thatJan 19 11:39
fewaDaemonFC, they are not hungryJan 19 11:39
fewathey are fatJan 19 11:40
DaemonFCpeople like Gates and Ballmer are cash hoarders Jan 19 11:40
cubezzza lot of people are greedyJan 19 11:40
DaemonFCthey die and leave billions of dollars to each of their spoiled childrenJan 19 11:40
cubezzzno, Gates specifically said each kid gets 1 millionJan 19 11:40
fewaDaemonFC, do you have a garden?Jan 19 11:40
DaemonFCnope, I have a sinkhole in my back yard that hasn't opened up yetJan 19 11:41
DaemonFCwhen it does, I hope it swallows my neighborJan 19 11:41
cubezzzwhen you think about it that world is far from ideal, I know that sounds obvious but it's worth thinking aboutJan 19 11:41
fewacommunity gardens are becoming more popular around hereJan 19 11:42
DaemonFCcommunity meth labs are popular hereJan 19 11:42
DaemonFC:DJan 19 11:42
DaemonFCIndiana has more meth lab busts than any other state in the countryJan 19 11:43
fewamaybe they just need from fresh air and manual labor :PJan 19 11:43
DaemonFCyou could put Texas, California, and a few others together and not have as much methJan 19 11:43
fewasomething a little less abstract to pay attention toJan 19 11:44
DaemonFCfewa: this town is a bunch of criminalsJan 19 11:44
DaemonFCpretty much everything other than murderersJan 19 11:44
fewaDaemonFC, Microsoft is a bunch of criminalsJan 19 11:44
DaemonFCthe last murder we had was in 1999Jan 19 11:44
DaemonFCthey tied a DEA agent to a bedJan 19 11:44
DaemonFCpoured kerosene on himJan 19 11:44
DaemonFCand set him on fireJan 19 11:45
fewaDaemonFC, so are the inmates in the worlds largest prision system maintained by the US governmentJan 19 11:45
fewa*DaemonFC, so are the inmates in the worlds largest prision system, the one maintained by the US governmentJan 19 11:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @glynmoody: Indian steps 2 adopt open source standards draw flak - http://bit.ly/4NRLFn redefining open in favour of U Know Who #indiaJan 19 11:45
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DaemonFCthe recession has raised crime even higher than it was beforeJan 19 11:45
DaemonFCit's usually not violent crime thoughJan 19 11:45
DaemonFCmostly just drug-relatedJan 19 11:46
fewaexactly why you should start a community gardenJan 19 11:46
fewathe economy is going to get far woorseJan 19 11:46
DaemonFCa community garden....Jan 19 11:46
fewaso you should start making preperations for a life without gasolineJan 19 11:46
DaemonFCI'll tell that to the rapist next doorJan 19 11:46
DaemonFCthe midget that likes anal Jan 19 11:47
cubezzzit will be Mad Max time soon :)Jan 19 11:47
DaemonFCthe reason I know that is cause my neighbor in the next unit claims he raped herJan 19 11:47
cubezzzok, maybe not that badJan 19 11:47
DaemonFCbut she's nutsJan 19 11:47
fewawell, there will be far less oil in north americaJan 19 11:47
DaemonFCthen there's the cat lady downstairs and her sex offender son that moved here from MichiganJan 19 11:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Marcus Dapp: Do SW patents hamper motivation and innovation of FOSS developers? http://i5.be/akLJan 19 11:48
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DaemonFCnow they're sending millions of dollars to zip codes that don't existJan 19 13:10
DaemonFCfrom the "stimulus" actJan 19 13:10
DaemonFChttp://www.walletpop.com/blog/2009/12/29/then-vs-now-how-prices-have-changed-since-1999/Jan 19 13:12
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Diablo-D3man david isnt here againJan 19 13:12
DaemonFCthe price of cigarettes hasn't gone up much compared to all elseJan 19 13:14
DaemonFCAspirin has gone up in price more than cigarettes in 10 yearsJan 19 13:14
cubezzzhow about staples like bread and milk?Jan 19 13:15
DaemonFCI wonder how the cigarette companies have manipulated prices like thatJan 19 13:15
DaemonFCto where aspirin goes up 38.62% but cigarettes only go up 27.96%Jan 19 13:15
DaemonFCyou don't see politicians out to tax the hell out of aspirinJan 19 13:16
cubezzzI can remember when a pop was 19 cents :)Jan 19 13:16
DaemonFCit's easier to produceJan 19 13:16
DaemonFCwhy did aspirin go up more than Marlboro cigarettes? :PJan 19 13:16
DaemonFCI think the lesson in frugality is clear, cubezzz Jan 19 13:17
DaemonFCwe should stop using aspirin and start smokingJan 19 13:17
cubezzzGold up 300% over the last 10 yearsJan 19 13:17
DaemonFCsave all kinds of moneyJan 19 13:17
cubezzzI don't use eitherJan 19 13:17
cubezzzvery very seldom I use aspirinJan 19 13:17
DaemonFCI prefer the buffered aspirin when I need a pain pillJan 19 13:17
DaemonFCeasier on the stomachJan 19 13:18
DaemonFCnaproxen sodium, ibuprofin, and acetaminophen just don't cut it Jan 19 13:18
cubezzzcoffee less and computers lessJan 19 13:18
DaemonFCI don't drink much coffeeJan 19 13:19
DaemonFCI drink a lot of diet soda, and a cup of tea now and thenJan 19 13:19
DaemonFCI haven't found a coffee you can make at home that tastes as good as it does at the gas stationJan 19 13:19
cubezzzgas up 100%Jan 19 13:19
DaemonFCthat's why I don't make it muchJan 19 13:19
cubezzzperked tastes better than instantJan 19 13:20
DaemonFCI drink it black, no sugar or creamerJan 19 13:20
DaemonFCI hate sugar and creamerJan 19 13:20
DaemonFCcubezzz: I don't drink instantJan 19 13:21
DaemonFCsome people take it camping or hunting or whateverJan 19 13:21
DaemonFCI don't care if I was stranded in Antarctica, I would not drink instant coffeeJan 19 13:21
DaemonFCinstant just has varying levels of disgustingJan 19 13:22
DaemonFClike the store stuff makes you want to vomitJan 19 13:22
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DaemonFCand the Taster's Choice is OK if you hold your noseJan 19 13:23
DaemonFCI like whatever that gas station usesJan 19 13:23
DaemonFCI asked them one time and tried to find it onlineJan 19 13:23
DaemonFCand couldn'tJan 19 13:23
DaemonFCfirst think I'm going to do when I'm richJan 19 13:24
DaemonFCbuy the most expensive industrial coffee maker there isJan 19 13:24
DaemonFCand a few pallets of whatever they have down at the gas stationJan 19 13:24
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DaemonFCmilk has only gone up 5.9%Jan 19 13:25
DaemonFCbut gas has doubledJan 19 13:25
DaemonFCmilk really doesn't count though, cause it's a loss leaderJan 19 13:25
cubezzzthey forget breadJan 19 13:26
DaemonFCgroceries have price wars on milkJan 19 13:26
DaemonFCWalmart puts the milk in the back of the storeJan 19 13:26
cubezzzgrocery prices have actually come down a bit latelyJan 19 13:26
cubezzzyeah I stopped drinking milkJan 19 13:26
DaemonFCto make you walk past thousands of other itemsJan 19 13:26
oiaohmBig question with the cost of milk increase is in lot countries is why.Jan 19 13:26
oiaohmSince in a lot of countries what the farmer gets per L is less now than a few years ago.Jan 19 13:27
DaemonFCoiaohm: Maybe the Australian cows just are having itJan 19 13:27
DaemonFC:PJan 19 13:27
DaemonFC*aren'tJan 19 13:27
DaemonFCthere's actually a dairy right here in town that got bought up by DeansJan 19 13:27
oiaohmMost of the so call increase in price of milk is going straight into store bottom lines and oil.Jan 19 13:27
DaemonFCthey supply everyone, including WalmartJan 19 13:27
cubezzzit's interesting that junk food and pop prices have increased only slightly in the last 10 yearsJan 19 13:28
DaemonFCthe only difference between Great Value and Deans is the sticker and about another dollar for the DeansJan 19 13:28
DaemonFCcubezzz: No it's notJan 19 13:28
scientesand both are rBST freeJan 19 13:28
DaemonFCWalmart tries to be the cheapest on savory snacks and sodaJan 19 13:29
oiaohmSoftdrink they really don't need to increase in price.Jan 19 13:29
DaemonFCthey always try to be 10% cheaper on snacks than their cheapest competitorJan 19 13:29
scientesoiaohm, softdrinks are subsidized by the governmentJan 19 13:29
scientesthrough massive corn subsidiesJan 19 13:29
oiaohmGas is only just catching up with how much per L softdrinks are.Jan 19 13:29
cubezzzbut look at the great deal on the price of doze:Jan 19 13:29
DaemonFCscientes: I drink dietJan 19 13:29
cubezzzWindows 1998 vs Windows 7  $209.00  $199.99  -4.31%Jan 19 13:30
scientesDaemonFC, with caffeine?Jan 19 13:30
cubezzzyou save 4.31% :)Jan 19 13:30
DaemonFCHFCS can't be a hell of a lot better for you than artificial sweetenersJan 19 13:30
DaemonFCscientes: YesJan 19 13:30
scientesyekJan 19 13:30
DaemonFCcubezzz: But PC components cost lessJan 19 13:30
oiaohmDepends on the artificial sweeteners.Jan 19 13:30
DaemonFCthe middle of the line Windows 98 system I had was $1200Jan 19 13:30
scientesyou could save money by dropping that and drinking waterJan 19 13:30
oiaohmsome of them are particular nasty if left out in heat DaemonFCJan 19 13:31
scientesyou would also be more hydrated that wayJan 19 13:31
DaemonFC\the upper middle of the line Windows 7 PC was $800Jan 19 13:31
cubezzzI don't bother drinking popJan 19 13:31
DaemonFCso maybe Microsoft makes more at retail, but hardware is so cheap now that knocks 33% off anywayJan 19 13:31
scientesthe carbonation also rots the teethJan 19 13:31
oiaohmIe turn in nice small ammount humman killer some of the artificial sweeteners.  If the temp gets too high.  DaemonFC  Basically don't drink warm diet stuff.Jan 19 13:32
DaemonFCoiaohm: ASPARTAME IS NOT SHELF STABLEJan 19 13:32
DaemonFCerrr, oopsJan 19 13:32
DaemonFCsticky caps :PJan 19 13:32
cubezzzdon't use Aspartame eitherJan 19 13:32
DaemonFCanyway, sucralose is shelf stableJan 19 13:32
oiaohm Aspartame is anti posion.Jan 19 13:33
DaemonFCSplenda is perfectly safe even when it's been exposed to heatJan 19 13:33
oiaohmant posion.Jan 19 13:33
scientesphenyenalyneJan 19 13:33
DaemonFCthat's why you can bake with SplendaJan 19 13:33
DaemonFCAspartame loses all its flavor if you try to bake with itJan 19 13:33
scientesDaemonFC, http://abstrusegoose.com/46Jan 19 13:33
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DaemonFCand breaks down into awful thingsJan 19 13:33
DaemonFCscientes: What about table salt? It has chlorine :)Jan 19 13:34
scientesor DDTJan 19 13:34
scientesDaemonFC, actually the difference is that in salt it is a ionJan 19 13:35
scientesthese are organic chemicals, very differn'tJan 19 13:35
DaemonFCSplenda is safe, conspiracy whackos go around trying to sensationalize the fact that it's made with chlorineJan 19 13:35
DaemonFCwhat's the term? organochloride?Jan 19 13:35
DaemonFCtable salt is also an organochloride Jan 19 13:36
DaemonFCbefore anyone says anything, it's the sodium that takes your blood pressure up when consuming table saltJan 19 13:36
DaemonFCSplenda won't affect your blood pressueJan 19 13:37
DaemonFC*pressureJan 19 13:37
oiaohmAt current day least harmful artifical suger is TagatoseJan 19 13:37
DaemonFCYou ever notice how these claims are not done by scientists?Jan 19 13:37
oiaohmIt basically suger you body cannot process.Jan 19 13:38
DaemonFCthey lack merit to the point that no government has paid attention to themJan 19 13:38
oiaohmYou eat it in small ammouts in normal sugers.Jan 19 13:38
oiaohmNow it does have side effects if you eat too much of it.Jan 19 13:38
MinceRtable salt is not an organic compound, therefore it can't be an organochlorideJan 19 13:38
oiaohmSplenda does not have long term study DaemonFCJan 19 13:38
DaemonFCI'm aliveJan 19 13:39
MinceRand afaik the least harmful sweetener today is sucrose :>Jan 19 13:39
DaemonFCMinceR: I hear that gives you diabetesJan 19 13:39
DaemonFCand obesityJan 19 13:39
DaemonFCsay it ain't so :)Jan 19 13:39
MinceRonly if you eat too much of itJan 19 13:39
DaemonFCwell, it's scientifically proven that it can hurt youJan 19 13:40
DaemonFCso don't eat any sugarJan 19 13:40
MinceRwhich is probably a higher threshold than the other stuff giving you cancer, digestion problems or something like thatJan 19 13:40
DaemonFC:DJan 19 13:40
oiaohm Tagatose only side effect is digestive.Jan 19 13:40
DaemonFCeverything gives you cancerJan 19 13:40
oiaohmFor the simple reason it passes straight threw.Jan 19 13:40
DaemonFCeven when there's no proof, just the accusation gets some people to believe youJan 19 13:40
oiaohmSplenda does have a few break downs we don't know long term effects of.Jan 19 13:41
oiaohmTagatose is one of the oldest artifical sugers as well.Jan 19 13:41
oiaohmAnd its not exactly artifical.Jan 19 13:41
DaemonFCthe only real statistic that led me to say "Go on......." was when scientists in Australia (I think) said that frequent masturbation reduces prostate cancerJan 19 13:42
DaemonFCso there's an excuse for anyone who wants oneJan 19 13:42
DaemonFCto your health :PJan 19 13:42
MinceRthere's also erythritol but afaik it wasn't tested too muchJan 19 13:43
MinceRbtw, doesn't eating sweet food that contains no sugar or less sugar than the taste would indicate potentially cause too low blood sugar level?Jan 19 13:43
DaemonFCthe price of Windows is the only thing that really went down between 1999-2009Jan 19 13:44
DaemonFCon that chart anywayJan 19 13:44
DaemonFCby 4.31%Jan 19 13:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] ABC #730report on death of the Tote http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/ of course I remember Hamish as a Perth musician in the early 1990sJan 19 13:44
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MinceR143854 < oiaohm> For the simple reason it passes straight threw.Jan 19 13:44
MinceRsugar alcohols in general do thatJan 19 13:44
MinceRexcept erythritolJan 19 13:44
MinceRand so they all can cause diarrhea, except (so they say) erythritolJan 19 13:44
MinceR(though tagatose isn't a sugar alcohol :> )Jan 19 13:45
oiaohmNot exactly correct.Jan 19 13:45
Diablo-D3[08:39:28] <oiaohm> Splenda does have a few break downs we don't know long term effects of.Jan 19 13:45
Diablo-D3thats not trueJan 19 13:45
Diablo-D3Splenda (a specific sucralose formula) is known to cause cancerJan 19 13:46
Diablo-D3however, its at a very much lower rate than aspartameJan 19 13:46
oiaohm Tagatose is a natural form of suger  that the bacterica making suger alcohol can fail to process so leaving a drink rich in it.   Jan 19 13:46
oiaohmie some bacteria can have the same issue we have with it.Jan 19 13:46
DaemonFCin lab mice on the moon, being force fed the stuffJan 19 13:47
DaemonFCfor years on endJan 19 13:47
DaemonFCin amounts greater than any human would consumeJan 19 13:47
MinceRoiaohm: that's pretty much the case with any sugar substitute that is claimed not to cause tooth decayJan 19 13:47
DaemonFCscaled to their body weightJan 19 13:47
Diablo-D3aspartame is a known carcinogen and a known neurotoxinJan 19 13:47
oiaohmNote not true with Tagatose  MinceRJan 19 13:47
oiaohmSome bacterias can process it MinceRJan 19 13:48
oiaohmThat case tooth decay.Jan 19 13:48
oiaohmJust not all.Jan 19 13:48
MinceRicJan 19 13:48
oiaohmIts very very close to normal suger.  One part is just out of place so blocking processing.Jan 19 13:48
cubezzzI'm glad I never touch aspartame nowJan 19 13:49
trmancohttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ext4_then_now&num=1Jan 19 13:49
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Diablo-D3cubezzz: wellJan 19 13:49
oiaohmAnd you will find small ammouts of Tagatose in brown suger cubezzzJan 19 13:49
Diablo-D3it has an incredibly bad metallic tasteJan 19 13:49
Diablo-D3Im not sure why anyone would use itJan 19 13:49
cubezzzI'd say just trying to reduce one's calorie intakeJan 19 13:50
Diablo-D3both pepsi and coke, the largest users of aspartame, have splenda drinks as wellJan 19 13:50
Diablo-D3yo uknow why?Jan 19 13:50
Diablo-D3they dont want to be sued when the shit hits the fanJan 19 13:50
oiaohmIts straight the human mouth cannot tell the difference between tagatose and correct direction suger.Jan 19 13:50
Diablo-D3they can say "yes, we provided an alternative"Jan 19 13:50
MinceRthey also provide sugary alternatives :>Jan 19 13:50
Diablo-D3MinceR: no, thats the originalJan 19 13:50
oiaohmBoth splenda and aspartame are both artifical and not found in nature.Jan 19 13:51
cubezzzI drink pomegranate juice and orange juiceJan 19 13:51
Diablo-D3thats another thing thoughJan 19 13:51
Diablo-D3oiaohm: splenda is not dangerous howeverJan 19 13:51
MinceRDiablo-D3: the original is an alternative to its alternative :>Jan 19 13:51
cubezzzmuch better than popJan 19 13:51
Diablo-D3MinceR: trueJan 19 13:51
Diablo-D3howeverJan 19 13:51
Diablo-D3Im glad coke is coming back with cane sugar cokeJan 19 13:51
Diablo-D3HFCS is a larger problem than aspartame isJan 19 13:51
oiaohmsplenda is not as danagous Diablo-D3  But it is a lot higher risk than the old TagatoseJan 19 13:51
scienteswhy not just drink water?Jan 19 13:52
scienteswhy does it have to taste sweet?Jan 19 13:52
MinceRi usually drink waterJan 19 13:52
Diablo-D3oiaohm: wellJan 19 13:54
oiaohmaspartame I don't know how it got approval in the first place for human eating thinking is a known ant posion.Jan 19 13:54
Diablo-D3oiaohm: it didntJan 19 13:54
Diablo-D3the FDA basically never approved itJan 19 13:54
DaemonFCit's an additive, they would have had toJan 19 13:55
Diablo-D3the FDA banned it, and then a known war criminal, donald rumsfeld went in and changed itJan 19 13:56
DaemonFCFDA commissioner Hayes approved aspartame for use in dry goods.[18]  In 1983, the FDA further approved aspartame for use in carbonated beverages, and for use in other beverages, baked goods, and confections in 1993. In 1996, the FDA removed all restrictions from aspartame allowing it to be used in all foods.Jan 19 13:58
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame#Discovery_and_approvalJan 19 13:58
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Diablo-D3merisant is the company that produces equal/nutrasweetJan 19 13:58
Diablo-D3they're spun off from monsantoJan 19 13:58
DaemonFClots of companies make itJan 19 13:58
DaemonFCthe patent expired 18 years agoJan 19 13:58
Diablo-D3rumsfeld was the ceo, president, and chariman of gd searle & coJan 19 13:59
Diablo-D3which was sold to monsantoJan 19 13:59
Diablo-D3gd searle & co helt the patent for aspartame until 1992Jan 19 13:59
cubezzzummJan 19 13:59
DaemonFCaspartame isn't even all that profitable anymoreJan 19 13:59
cubezzz"Aspartame was first synthesised in 1965. Its use in food products was approved by the United States Food and Drug Administration in 1980"Jan 19 13:59
DaemonFCit's ridiculously cheap and there's several makersJan 19 14:00
oiaohmGenerally Recognized As Safe (GRAS) substance in the U.S.  Is only held by 1 artificial suger I know ie Tagatose.   Meaning it can be used in everything including tablets.   Rest just got past the min approval.Jan 19 14:00
Diablo-D3cubezzz: rumsfeld was working for gd searle from 77 to 85Jan 19 14:00
oiaohmTagatose is expensive to make because it normally got by extraction from natural sources.Jan 19 14:00
Diablo-D3cubezzz: rumsfeld ended his fourth term in congress in 1969Jan 19 14:01
cubezzzhrmmmJan 19 14:01
cubezzzwhat's he doing now I wonderJan 19 14:01
Diablo-D3he was part of nixon's administration, and ghwb's and gwb'sJan 19 14:01
Diablo-D3and fordJan 19 14:01
Diablo-D3while rumsfeld was ford's secretary of defense, ghwb was director of the ciaJan 19 14:02
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Diablo-D3publically, rumsfeld never worked for the FDA or was involved in it's operationsJan 19 14:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Keeps Ruining (to Exploit) the #Patent System, #USPTO ’s Purpose in Greater Doubt http://ur1.ca/k6kqJan 19 14:03
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Diablo-D3but its _really_ hard to not see what happenedJan 19 14:03
Diablo-D3monsanto is also in deep shit for tons of shitJan 19 14:04
Diablo-D3apparently their GMO corn is toxicJan 19 14:04
Diablo-D3which, DUN DUN DUNNNNJan 19 14:04
Diablo-D3the corn cartel propped up by congress!Jan 19 14:04
oiaohmThere is a major mistake with a lot of GMO stuff.Jan 19 14:04
Diablo-D3which started DUN DUN DUNNNNN around the time rumsfeld was in congressJan 19 14:04
Diablo-D3AAAAANDJan 19 14:04
oiaohmNo sead dont' always equal no polion.Jan 19 14:04
Diablo-D3rumsfeld was the chairman of gilead sciencesJan 19 14:05
Diablo-D3which makes tamifluJan 19 14:05
oiaohmThe spreed of dna meterial is a problem causing.Jan 19 14:05
Diablo-D3which sold a SHIT load during this whole flu scareJan 19 14:05
Diablo-D3which was setup to happen during the bush years so it'd go off on obama's watchJan 19 14:05
Diablo-D3rumsfeld made $!2 million when searle was sold to monsanto, and he still has monsanto stockJan 19 14:06
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] offered some candies to kids of my apartment; I am now their friend; They call me "uncle" ; I am feeling awesome now;Jan 19 14:06
MinceR"Possible causes of hypoglycemia include:" ... "Ingestion of low-carbohydrate sugar substitutes in people without diabetes or with type 2 diabetes. Animal studies show these can trigger insulin release, albeit in much smaller quantities than sugar, according to a report in Discover magazine, August 2004, p 18."Jan 19 14:06
Diablo-D3rumsfeld made a shitload of money off the flu scareJan 19 14:06
MinceRthat's what i rememberedJan 19 14:06
Diablo-D3MinceR: btw, thats not entirely trueJan 19 14:06
Diablo-D3some sugar substitutes that are sugar according to our body in this context trigger insulin release... and the insulin has nothing to work onJan 19 14:07
MinceRthere usually is some sugar in the bloodJan 19 14:07
MinceRif there weren't, your nervous system would cease functioningJan 19 14:07
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Diablo-D3thats not what I meantJan 19 14:07
Diablo-D3its releasing insulin to do... nothingJan 19 14:07
MinceRthe insulin can work on thatJan 19 14:08
Diablo-D3yes, and then you pass outJan 19 14:08
Diablo-D3from low blood sugarJan 19 14:08
Eruaranhi allJan 19 14:08
oiaohmAny chemical released without a use can end up reacting with something it should not.Jan 19 14:08
MinceRwhich is my point exactlyJan 19 14:08
EruaranWell I've done something that a few years ago I said I'd never do.Jan 19 14:08
EruaranI've installed Mandriva.Jan 19 14:08
Eruaran:OJan 19 14:08
DaemonFChttp://www.betanews.com/article/Russinovich-A-possible-cure-for-exploitable-heap-corruption-in-Windows-7/1262199764Jan 19 14:09
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MinceRpossible cure -> upgrade to gnu/linux? :>Jan 19 14:09
DaemonFChe's right about antivirus anyway, it fails so often because it has to wait for something to happen before it can respondJan 19 14:09
DaemonFCand that's even if it knows what's happening :)Jan 19 14:09
DaemonFCI saw some rather disturbing stats on the detection rate of antivirus softwareJan 19 14:10
DaemonFCit ran from 11% of that guys malware collection detected (ClamWin)Jan 19 14:10
oiaohmInteresting.  Policy kit rewordedJan 19 14:10
DaemonFCto 40% for some of the more expensive commercial productsJan 19 14:11
EruaranAntiVir is still the best.Jan 19 14:11
DaemonFCeither way, you're looking at a failure rate of 60-90% pretty muchJan 19 14:11
EruaranAn antivirus is like airbags in a car thats a lemon scented deathtrap.Jan 19 14:12
oiaohmThe detection rate of anti-virus software has been droping over the years.Jan 19 14:12
oiaohmclamav is low for a very good reason.  If malware gets detected by clamav it will not normally last in network transfers.Jan 19 14:13
oiaohmSo strange as it soulds clamav is one of the most targeted by attacks to be beaten.Jan 19 14:13
DaemonFChttp://winnow.oitc.com/AntiVirusPerformance.htmlJan 19 14:14
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DaemonFCthere's one from 2008, when CastleCops still existedJan 19 14:14
EruaranThere are two things I find particularly frustrating about MandrivaJan 19 14:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 3 Stories on Advising Against Using IE http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/19/criticisms-msie-coverage/Jan 19 14:15
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DaemonFChttp://www.av-comparatives.org/images/stories/test/summary/summary2009.pdfJan 19 14:15
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DaemonFCThere's one spanning 2009Jan 19 14:15
Eruaran1. It looks fugly. For some reason they choose not to use KDE's luverly looking Oxygen icons and replace them with icons that are similar, but crappy.Jan 19 14:16
Eruaran2. The package manager is slow and pedantic.Jan 19 14:16
oiaohm20 percent failure rate is not good when you know the numbers of virus created in 2009.Jan 19 14:16
DaemonFCMicrosoft's last test on Security Essentials has it on par with some of the more notable paywareJan 19 14:17
DaemonFCon av-comparatives that isJan 19 14:17
EruaranI think Mandriva's tools should be integrated into System Settings, but the tools are pretty solid so can't complain.Jan 19 14:17
oiaohmBiggest problem in the anti-virus world is lack of common namings.Jan 19 14:17
DaemonFCNOD32 did the bestJan 19 14:17
oiaohmIt is nothing strange for 1 virusion to have 20 different names.Jan 19 14:17
MinceRyou could switch icon setsJan 19 14:18
oiaohmSo how can people clean up.Jan 19 14:18
EruaranThat report is crapJan 19 14:19
EruaranAntiVir and Avast are better than NOD32Jan 19 14:19
EruaranI'm speaking from experienceJan 19 14:19
DaemonFCMicrosoft got the award for best on demand heuristics, fewest false positives, Jan 19 14:19
EruaranROFLJan 19 14:19
EruaranProof that its BSJan 19 14:20
DaemonFCAvira has the lowest impact on system performanceJan 19 14:20
Diablo-D3nod32 is bullshit, btwJan 19 14:20
DaemonFCthats allJan 19 14:20
MinceRi can attest to nod32 being bullshitJan 19 14:20
EruaranAvira AntiVir has the best heuristicsJan 19 14:20
Diablo-D3anti-viruses in general suck, btwJan 19 14:20
Diablo-D3I use clamwin, btwJan 19 14:20
MinceRi sometimes use clamav to scan warez :>Jan 19 14:21
MinceR(via the klamav frontend)Jan 19 14:21
EruaranWe use Avira Antivir on Ubuntu to bring infested Windows systems back from the deadJan 19 14:21
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] #hilarious LOL http://tinyurl.com/38l2ds See the #1 bug "Msft has a majority market share" #ubuntu (do read http://tinyurl.com/y9dr5qt )Jan 19 14:21
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Diablo-D3MinceR: clamwin is the windows frontend for clamavJan 19 14:21
MinceRi guessed soJan 19 14:21
MinceRbut wasn't sureJan 19 14:21
cubezzzdon't use any anti-virus myelfJan 19 14:22
Diablo-D3I only install it on other people's machinesJan 19 14:22
Diablo-D3especially when they use shit like nortonJan 19 14:22
DaemonFChttp://www.av-comparatives.org/images/stories/test/dyn/dynamic2009.pdfJan 19 14:22
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EruaranFor customers Windows systems that can't even boot due to viruses, we boot Ubuntu from a live USB key and run AntiVir, it cleans it up enough to get it booting again.Jan 19 14:22
Diablo-D3"but I paid $50 for this" so? it tends to cause windows to bsod or other dumb shitJan 19 14:22
DaemonFCSecurity Essentials is between Avast and AviraJan 19 14:23
DaemonFCpage 9Jan 19 14:23
cubezzzyeah I guess if you have to use doze you need something on thereJan 19 14:23
oiaohmDoes not matter what you use any more Eruaran events of the uncleanable happen more and more.Jan 19 14:23
Diablo-D3yeahJan 19 14:23
Diablo-D3clamav doesnt even bother fixing anything but the worstJan 19 14:23
Eruaranoiaohm, cleaning the uncleanable is our specialty ;)Jan 19 14:23
Diablo-D3er, anything but the easiestJan 19 14:24
cubezzzit's better not to use dozeJan 19 14:24
Diablo-D3its basically just detectionJan 19 14:24
Diablo-D3cubezzz: wellJan 19 14:24
Diablo-D3windows _doesnt_ have to be this wayJan 19 14:24
Diablo-D3linux doesnt have virusesJan 19 14:24
cubezzzand fixing windows boxes is boringJan 19 14:24
DaemonFCClamwin is not worth havingJan 19 14:24
DaemonFCperiodJan 19 14:24
MinceRwindows is this way because it's windowsJan 19 14:24
EruaranIts part of the jobJan 19 14:24
oiaohmSome will just leave the system too damage after removal to work Eruaran  So reinstalls are required.Jan 19 14:24
oiaohmIe the uncleanable up by tools.  EruaranJan 19 14:25
Eruaranoiaohm, true but we don't actually need to do that many reinstallsJan 19 14:25
oiaohmLinux systems have the back stops of package compares.Jan 19 14:25
oiaohmThe rate of reinstalls are increasing  EruaranJan 19 14:25
*Eruaran sighsJan 19 14:25
cubezzzbahJan 19 14:26
oiaohmOk not at a fast rate.Jan 19 14:26
Eruaranpeople telling me my jobJan 19 14:26
cubezzzI installed FC1 in 2004 :)Jan 19 14:26
Eruarancustomers like to do thatJan 19 14:26
EruaranI tell them to fix it themselves thenJan 19 14:26
oiaohmI also work cleaning up the messes EruaranJan 19 14:26
Diablo-D3Eruaran: during virus detection, I reinstall from scratchJan 19 14:26
Diablo-D3its the only way to make sureJan 19 14:26
EruaranIt dependsJan 19 14:26
oiaohmWe have kept results over the last 12 years EruaranJan 19 14:27
MinceR"I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."Jan 19 14:27
Diablo-D3MinceR: yes, thats the jokeJan 19 14:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] xip Identity and ActiveState Founder Leaves Microsoft After Just One Year, Calls It “the Year of Darkness” http://ur1.ca/k6mbJan 19 14:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The Church of England are morally bankrupt: http://www.chancelrepair.org/Jan 19 14:28
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oiaohmMore and more tools are having shorter and short life before attackers design counter measures.Jan 19 14:28
cubezzzjust run an old OS no one knows about :)Jan 19 14:29
cubezzzhackers won't know how to attack itJan 19 14:30
MinceRlike VMS? :>Jan 19 14:30
oiaohmOr a OS that can proper Audit to core.Jan 19 14:30
cubezzzmy impression is that most bad type hackers are fairly youngJan 19 14:30
oiaohmSomething package management provides means to locate what in a system has been changed.Jan 19 14:30
oiaohmNot any more cubezzzJan 19 14:31
oiaohmThis is the problem.  These days its big money to break into computer systems.Jan 19 14:31
oiaohmYes many years ago what you said was true cubezzzJan 19 14:31
MinceRbtw the OS being old and obscure isn't enough, your apps and libraries need to be the sameJan 19 14:33
MinceRespecially if you can't reliably update them on that OSJan 19 14:33
cubezzzyou couldJan 19 14:33
cubezzzyou just have to have all the source codeJan 19 14:34
MinceRi wouldn't really trust that approachJan 19 14:34
MinceRat least not by itselfJan 19 14:34
MinceRnow if you chained up different servers with different OSes and everything to access some server you really want to keep secure, that might workJan 19 14:35
oiaohmHistory tells you that long term will not work MinceRJan 19 14:35
MinceRwhich one?Jan 19 14:35
oiaohmRemember the cluster f*&* for the ping of death.Jan 19 14:35
oiaohmWhere stacks of OS's where sharing a common code so were all at risk from it.  MinceRJan 19 14:36
MinceRicJan 19 14:36
MinceRi had such a thought in mind but couldn't recall this attackJan 19 14:36
oiaohmIt was a bug in the BSD networking stack.Jan 19 14:36
oiaohmAnd basically everyone making a OS imported it.Jan 19 14:37
oiaohmNothing stops that from happing again MinceR.  Could be an application or something else.Jan 19 14:37
oiaohmHistory will repeat question is when.  MinceRJan 19 14:38
EruaranWe're looking at building a specific system for clients who need an especially secure system.Jan 19 14:42
DaemonFC"As Russinovich explained to his audience, a lot of the stuff that made Vista and its predecessors slow were services hanging around in memory, waiting for an excuse to do something useful. But because they had to be active to react when the time was right, they had to be running, even if they were doing nothing."Jan 19 14:42
DaemonFChehJan 19 14:42
EruaranHaven't decided on OS yet.Jan 19 14:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @deepakurup: After Germany,now France issues advisry 2 nt use IE http://bit.ly/7ZIw4Q M$ concedes IE ws weaklink in China hack stryJan 19 14:42
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DaemonFCsitting there taking processor time just waiting for you to do somethingJan 19 14:42
cubezzzone of the BSDs I guessJan 19 14:42
DaemonFCEruaran: OpenBSD maybe?Jan 19 14:42
EruaranpossiblyJan 19 14:42
DaemonFCI haven't used it myself thoughJan 19 14:43
Eruaranme neitherJan 19 14:43
EruaranXDJan 19 14:43
Eruaranbut thats okJan 19 14:43
DaemonFCThey've supposedly gotten the security situation to where Linux is practically Windows in comparisonJan 19 14:43
DaemonFC:DJan 19 14:43
Eruaransounds goodJan 19 14:43
EruaranIf that's the case then it would be ideal for the kind of system we have in mindJan 19 14:44
DaemonFChttp://www.openbsd.orgJan 19 14:44
phIRCe-localTitle: OpenBSD .::. Size~: 6.13 KBJan 19 14:44
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenBSDJan 19 14:44
phIRCe-localTitle: OpenBSD - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 110.51 KBJan 19 14:44
EruaranThis system will come with a Coreboot BIOS that dumps RAM.Jan 19 14:44
DaemonFCand who could go without mentioning this?Jan 19 14:45
DaemonFChttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Openbsd37withjwm.pngJan 19 14:45
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DaemonFCB-)Jan 19 14:45
DaemonFCI'd imagine it would make a horrible desktop OS, but a great serverJan 19 14:45
DaemonFCwhich is what it's supposed to be anywayJan 19 14:45
DaemonFCEruaran: They have a strict no binary blob policyJan 19 14:46
oiaohmI have seen freebsd used as a desktop.Jan 19 14:46
DaemonFCthat means no proprietary drivers are in the system, no binary firmware eitherJan 19 14:47
MinceRopenbsd is mostly hype thoughJan 19 14:47
oiaohmAlso debian also is giving a bread option.Jan 19 14:47
DaemonFCoiaohm: FreeBSD yes, OpenBSD not so muchJan 19 14:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @davide89v use http://tinyogg.com support ogg free multimedia format #playogg #fsf #gnu #linux #ubuntu #debian #tinyoggJan 19 14:47
phIRCe-localTitle: TinyOgg - Welcome! .::. Size~: 3.45 KBJan 19 14:47
oiaohmIe Linux or freebsd kernel.Jan 19 14:47
DaemonFCif I was going for a desktop and was picking one of the BSDs, I'd probably go with PC-BSD or FreeBSDJan 19 14:47
DaemonFCPC-BSD is FreeBSD with an easy desktop setup and those PBI filesJan 19 14:48
DaemonFCwhich are kind of neatJan 19 14:48
EruaranMaybe I'll just put CP/M on it.Jan 19 14:48
Eruaran;)Jan 19 14:48
MinceRCP/M is so recentJan 19 14:48
DaemonFCMinceR: CP/M is stableJan 19 14:49
DaemonFCmust be 20 years since they changed anythingJan 19 14:49
DaemonFCimagine not having to reboot for updates :DJan 19 14:49
oiaohmLinux development model itself is evolving.   http://coccinelle.lip6.fr/  Is interesting thinking you are seeing more and more Linux kernel patches based of it.Jan 19 14:50
phIRCe-localTitle: Coccinelle: A Program Matching and Transformation Tool for Systems Code .::. Size~: 3.7 KBJan 19 14:50
MinceRwhy not something like OS/MFT?Jan 19 14:50
DaemonFCWhy not just put MULTICS on it?Jan 19 14:50
MinceRDaemonFC: and like m$-dos, it doesn't have remote exploits in the default installJan 19 14:50
DaemonFCthat's been pretty time testedJan 19 14:50
MinceRno TCP/IP stack either, but nobody cares :>Jan 19 14:50
EruaranuhmmJan 19 14:51
DaemonFCMinceR: I distinctly remember browsing the web in DOSJan 19 14:51
MinceRDaemonFC: that was done via third-party softwareJan 19 14:51
DaemonFCI set it up and put the Arachne browser on it just cause I was boredJan 19 14:51
MinceRiirc Arachne had its own tcp/ip implementationJan 19 14:51
DaemonFCyeah, it can play your MP3 files tooJan 19 14:52
DaemonFCwhile you browse, in DOS :)Jan 19 14:52
MinceRi doubt Arachne will run on CP/M thoughJan 19 14:52
EruaranI remember multitasking on DOSJan 19 14:52
DaemonFCI was mad when I put Windows Me on my PC and couldn't get into DOSJan 19 14:53
MinceRi remember multitasking on Palm OS :>Jan 19 14:53
DaemonFCthat was the biggest problem I had out of it :PJan 19 14:53
DaemonFCI ended up patching it to allow you to boot into DOS, exit to DOS, and reboot to DOSJan 19 14:54
DaemonFCbut Windows Me was only around for a year anywayJan 19 14:54
MinceRwell, now there's windows me 2 and windows me 3Jan 19 14:55
MinceR(also known as vista and 7)Jan 19 14:55
DaemonFCWindows Me wasn't really all that badJan 19 14:55
DaemonFCnot as bad as people made it out to be anywayJan 19 14:55
oiaohmMe was a rush job and was major work to get stable.Jan 19 14:55
DaemonFCthe whole 9x stack was showing its age, but Windows 98 was already doing thatJan 19 14:55
DaemonFCWindows Me actually improved on a few Windows 98 problemsJan 19 14:56
MinceRbetter problems!Jan 19 14:56
oiaohmCrossing 2000 features with 9x created more problems than is solved.Jan 19 14:56
DaemonFCMinceR: The biggest problem in 9x was the system resource stacksJan 19 14:56
DaemonFCand how they would leakJan 19 14:56
oiaohmAnd me only existed because windows 2000 failed to run 9x applications right.Jan 19 14:56
EruaranI can't remember what we used to multitask on DOS nowJan 19 14:57
DaemonFCNT basically solves that problem by removing the stack size limitJan 19 14:57
Eruaransomeone throw some names aroundJan 19 14:57
MinceREruaran: m$-dos shell? desqview?Jan 19 14:57
oiaohmms dos 4 MinceR?Jan 19 14:57
MinceRm$-dos shell was task switching only, thoughJan 19 14:57
EruaranMinceR, ahhhh it was desqviewJan 19 14:57
DaemonFCMinceR: I was giddy that they were basing the new consumer versions of Windows on NTJan 19 14:57
DaemonFCgiddy I tell youJan 19 14:57
MinceRi've never seen desqview myselfJan 19 14:57
MinceRDaemonFC: i wasn't, because i remembered the palette index 0 bugJan 19 14:58
cubezzzI've used itJan 19 14:58
MinceRiirc even 2000 had itJan 19 14:59
cubezzzthere was also IBM's topviewJan 19 14:59
cubezzzwhich sucked :)Jan 19 14:59
MinceRi haven't heard much of topviewJan 19 15:00
Eruarandesqview was bought out by symantecJan 19 15:01
cubezzzyesJan 19 15:01
cubezzzquarterdeck you meanJan 19 15:02
EruaranyesJan 19 15:02
cubezzzIBM never made a gui for topviewJan 19 15:03
cubezzzso like desqview, it was replaced by windows 3.0 and laterJan 19 15:03
cubezzzbut I found it to be really slowJan 19 15:03
cubezzzdesqview was betterJan 19 15:04
cubezzz in the late 80's most of the stuff was still text basedJan 19 15:05
cubezzzpretty much the only gui I used was AmigaDOS in those daysJan 19 15:06
cubezzzCMS was text basedJan 19 15:06
schestowitz http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/01/18/baidu-ctos-resignation-announcedJan 19 15:08
phIRCe-localTitle: Baidu CTO's Resignation Announced | WebProNews .::. Size~: 29.64 KBJan 19 15:08
schestowitz http://in.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idINIndia-45511720100119?sp=true Reuters describes this case of "cracking" as "hacking"Jan 19 15:08
phIRCe-localTitle:     Google postpones cellphone launch in China| Technology| Reuters .::. Size~: 76.78 KBJan 19 15:08
MinceRoiaohm: what's up with m$-dos 4?Jan 19 15:10
oiaohmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOS  MS Dos 4 had task switching from dos shellJan 19 15:13
phIRCe-localTitle: DOS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 109.11 KBJan 19 15:13
schestowitzhttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/18/technology/start-ups/18venture.html?src=twt&twt=nytimestech Jan 19 15:14
phIRCe-localTitle: For Many Tech Start-Ups, Going Public Is No Longer the Goal - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 64.77 KBJan 19 15:14
schestowitzhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8461591.stmJan 19 15:14
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schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1587662/under-cent-ipv4-addresses-leftJan 19 15:15
phIRCe-localTitle:             Under 10 per cent of ipv4 addresses are left - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 61.54 KBJan 19 15:15
DaemonFCschestowitz: Shotguns and canned food? You must be hard up over thereJan 19 15:17
DaemonFCI'd be eating MREs and I'd have a .45 ACP holstered to me :)Jan 19 15:17
MinceR155601 < DaemonFC> MinceR: I was giddy that they were basing the new consumer versions of Windows on NTJan 19 15:17
MinceRalso i cared more about OS/2 at the timeJan 19 15:17
DaemonFCI don't like shotgunsJan 19 15:18
DaemonFCif I had to use one, I'd probably take a 20 gauge pumpJan 19 15:18
MinceRironically by the time i managed to install an OS of my choice, i already wanted and got GNU/Linux insteadJan 19 15:18
MinceRDaemonFC: not even the USAS-12?Jan 19 15:18
MinceRhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USAS-12Jan 19 15:18
phIRCe-localTitle: Daewoo USAS-12 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 24.74 KBJan 19 15:18
DaemonFCMinceR: The kind of shotgun I'd like to have is illegal for civilians to haveJan 19 15:19
DaemonFCthe magazine drum semi-auto with the door breaching cartridgesJan 19 15:19
MinceR:)Jan 19 15:19
DaemonFCthat would make me very happy :)Jan 19 15:19
DaemonFCMinceR: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thompson_submachine_gunJan 19 15:20
phIRCe-localTitle: Thompson submachine gun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 111.56 KBJan 19 15:20
DaemonFCwith the 100 round drum pleaseJan 19 15:20
DaemonFCB-)Jan 19 15:20
MinceRthat isn't a shotgun though, is it?Jan 19 15:20
DaemonFCnoJan 19 15:20
MinceRthe one i linked is. :>Jan 19 15:20
DaemonFCI'm just saying if it was the end of the world, I'd like to have one of those in my survival cellarJan 19 15:20
DaemonFC:)Jan 19 15:20
DaemonFCnever know, it could be Chinese soldiers, zombies, anything maybe mutated zombie Chinese soldiersJan 19 15:21
DaemonFCwho have been turned into cyborgsJan 19 15:22
DaemonFCand I want a Thompson when that day happensJan 19 15:22
EruaranI would hope to buy the survival guide at ThinkGeek firstJan 19 15:23
DaemonFCEruaran: If you're not with me........you're with the mutant zombie cyborg Chinese communistsJan 19 15:24
DaemonFC:)Jan 19 15:24
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/19/avatar_ban/Jan 19 15:24
phIRCe-localTitle: Chinese stamp on Avatar • The Register .::. Size~: 26.17 KBJan 19 15:24
EruaranThey're not much conversationJan 19 15:24
EruaranSo I'm with oyuJan 19 15:24
DaemonFCand we all know that their leader is ObamaJan 19 15:24
Eruaran*youJan 19 15:24
DaemonFCRush Limbaugh says soJan 19 15:24
schestowitzHehe.Jan 19 15:25
schestowitzWhen is his next heart attack scheduled for?Jan 19 15:25
schestowitzWhat does this run? http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/01/19/review_phone_sony_ericsson_yari/Jan 19 15:25
phIRCe-localTitle: Sony Ericsson Yari gaming phone • Register Hardware .::. Size~: 23.21 KBJan 19 15:25
DaemonFCschestowitz: I don't know, but I heard something that made me laugh on a Married With Children rerunJan 19 15:25
EruaranCould be a sequel to Impossible MissionJan 19 15:25
DaemonFCAl: "If you do that, you better be able to outrun the Dodge"Jan 19 15:26
Eruaran"get him my Zombies"Jan 19 15:26
schestowitzThe "recession" (collapse + deficit)) is "over" http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/19/bt_axe_local_business/Jan 19 15:26
phIRCe-localTitle: BT takes axe to Local Business • The Register .::. Size~: 26.34 KBJan 19 15:26
DaemonFCBud: "Dad.... Rush Limbaugh could outrun the Dodge!"Jan 19 15:26
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Got a quiz tomorrow, got the book to study, had good dinner, got a packet of potato chips.. Time to sleep errr read :PJan 19 15:26
schestowitzEruaran: Mission:Impossible?Jan 19 15:26
EruaranNo, the C64 gameJan 19 15:26
DaemonFCschestowitz, "Banks plundering of the peasants, plebeians, and serfs is over for now, you may resume making irresponsible credit decisions and living in homes you can't afford. That is all."Jan 19 15:27
DaemonFCB-)Jan 19 15:27
schestowitzDaemonFC is like a youg Ed Oneal..Jan 19 15:27
DaemonFCAl Bundy?Jan 19 15:27
DaemonFCno, I never had 4 touchdowns in one gameJan 19 15:28
DaemonFC:)Jan 19 15:28
schestowitzO'NeilJan 19 15:28
Eruaranhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5p15NoBKmoJan 19 15:28
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube- Impossible Mission (C64) gameplay footage .::. Size~: 120.06 KBJan 19 15:28
schestowitzrnb: I played thatJan 19 15:28
schestowitzEruaran I meanJan 19 15:28
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_ADNZYN35cJan 19 15:29
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube- Married With Children - Favorite Scenes .::. Size~: 117.88 KBJan 19 15:29
schestowitzFOXJan 19 15:29
schestowitzDaemonFC: stop watching FoxJan 19 15:29
DaemonFCschestowitz Family Guy is on FoxJan 19 15:30
MinceR162339 < schestowitz> What does this run? http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/01/19/review_phone_sony_ericsson_yari/Jan 19 15:30
phIRCe-localTitle: Sony Ericsson Yari gaming phone • Register Hardware .::. Size~: 23.21 KBJan 19 15:30
MinceRlooks like it runs some noname featurephone OSJan 19 15:30
MinceRthey only mention java APIs for it at SEJan 19 15:30
schestowitzDaemonFC is prorgrammed by MudochismJan 19 15:31
MinceRalso, flashJan 19 15:31
MinceRhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Flash_Lite#Project_CapuchinJan 19 15:31
phIRCe-localTitle: Adobe Flash Lite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 54.61 KBJan 19 15:31
schestowitzMinceR: flush?Jan 19 15:32
schestowitzI'll take twoJan 19 15:32
DaemonFCschestowitz: I wonder why Murdoch tolerates Seth MacFarlaneJan 19 15:32
MinceRschestowitz: Adobe Trash "Lite"Jan 19 15:32
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/19/google_china_attack_malware_analysis/Jan 19 15:33
phIRCe-localTitle: IE6 exposed as Google China malware unpicked • The Register .::. Size~: 29.63 KBJan 19 15:33
schestowitzBetter than Mono Lite at leastJan 19 15:33
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EruaranAnother visitorJan 19 15:35
EruaranStay a whileJan 19 15:35
EruaranStay forever !Jan 19 15:35
schestowitzMinceR: http://blogs.msdn.com/blogfiles/edunhill/WindowsLiveWriter/SilverlightonLinuxMoonlight_C57C/image_2.pngJan 19 15:36
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schestowitzCloseup: http://www.somoslibres.org/imagenes/miguel.gifJan 19 15:36
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MinceR:>Jan 19 15:36
EruaranI have an urge to end a sentence with, "your fasanabla ass"Jan 19 15:37
schestowitzMore weapons against the little people.. http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4447499&c=FEA&s=TECJan 19 15:38
phIRCe-localTitle: A Cannon 'Stun Gun' - Defense News .::. Size~: 22.2 KBJan 19 15:38
schestowitzWeapons with Nazi roots... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/19/israeli_sonic_cannon/Jan 19 15:38
phIRCe-localTitle: Israelis develop Nazi-doodlebug sonic deathwave cannon • The Register .::. Size~: 28.62 KBJan 19 15:38
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/19/man_utd_social_networking_ban/Jan 19 15:38
phIRCe-localTitle: Man Utd imposes social networking ban • The Register .::. Size~: 28.43 KBJan 19 15:38
schestowitzHooligans here went mad two weeks ago..Jan 19 15:38
schestowitzVery violent...Jan 19 15:38
schestowitzTazers will maybe be replaced with people shooting sounds and radiation.. scary.....Jan 19 15:39
schestowitz!google anti-lane laserJan 19 15:39
phIRCe-local[1] - Evaluation of a Novel Anti-Inflammatory (rEV-131) Using Argon ... | http://abstracts.iovs.org/cgi/content/abstract/46/5/988Jan 19 15:39
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schestowitzOops, I meant "plane"Jan 19 15:39
schestowitzIt's like Star WarsJan 19 15:39
schestowitzContactless warsJan 19 15:40
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/19/microsoft_xp_ie6_windows_7_security_nightmare/Jan 19 15:40
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EruaranSomewhere out on the dunes of TatooineJan 19 15:40
Eruaran"I'm gonna deathwave your fasanabla ass"Jan 19 15:40
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schestowitzhttp://www.techworld.com.au/article/332896/venezuela_hugo_chavez_calls_playstation_games_poison?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1Jan 19 15:49
phIRCe-localTitle: Venezuela's Hugo Chavez calls PlayStation games 'poison' - hugo chavez, Playstation, venezuela - Techworld .::. Size~: 48.8 KBJan 19 15:49
schestowitzThose games they call 'PlayStation' are poison. Some games teach you to kill. They once put my face on a game, 'you've got to find Chavez to kill him'. "Jan 19 15:49
schestowitzNot surprisingJan 19 15:49
schestowitzThe US wants to invade or subvert Southern govts againJan 19 15:49
schestowitzTo make them subservientJan 19 15:49
schestowitzNote how the article daemonises ChavezJan 19 15:49
schestowitzIDG...Jan 19 15:49
schestowitzCause he said the truth about BushJan 19 15:50
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/187150/Fox_News_Confirm_Apple_Tablet_iLife_2010__Next_iPhone_OS.html?tk=rss_newsJan 19 15:52
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sunil_abraham: NUID? Check! RT @evgenymorozov: Top 10 technologies for tyranny http://bit.ly/7iD20TJan 19 15:53
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wJX1Atch1k&feature=relatedJan 19 15:53
phIRCe-localTitle: Top 10 technologies for tyranny - Software - Technology - News - CRN Australia .::. Size~: 104.78 KBJan 19 15:53
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube- Psycho dad and psycho mom .::. Size~: 119.7 KBJan 19 15:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] my doctor won't see me in case i have SWIIIIIIINE FLU! In bed awaiting call back.Jan 19 15:55
DaemonFCschestowitz: Fox network isn't badJan 19 15:56
DaemonFCFOX News is the fourth reichJan 19 15:56
DaemonFCthe last time I watched FOX News was for the 2008 electionJan 19 15:58
DaemonFCI wanted to see the looks on their faces when they had to admit that Obama wonJan 19 15:58
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DaemonFCso they made sure there was nobody on the camera when they announced itJan 19 15:58
FurnaceBoynothing much to say except "Holy Crap": http://twitter.com/BibleAlsoSays/status/7949810967Jan 19 15:59
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Diablo-D3FurnaceBoy: damnit I already made a better joke on my identica feed!Jan 19 15:59
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: you probably did. :)Jan 19 16:00
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: what's yr handle, I'll put you in my FriendfeedJan 19 16:00
Diablo-D3""In the name of God, ye not guilty" suspiciously absent" or something like thatJan 19 16:00
Diablo-D3FurnaceBoy: hereJan 19 16:00
FurnaceBoyi think that does identi.ca?Jan 19 16:00
Diablo-D3http://identi.ca/diablod3Jan 19 16:00
Diablo-D3bamJan 19 16:00
phIRCe-localTitle: Patrick McFarland (diablod3)  - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 43.07 KBJan 19 16:00
cubezzzhehJan 19 16:01
schestowitzhttp://www.sutor.com/c/2010/01/two-very-early-lotusphere-2010-photos/ Disnet boyzJan 19 16:08
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schestowitzhttp://www.communityleadershipsummit.com/Jan 19 16:08
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schestowitzFurnaceBoy: yes, I saw that bible thing earlierJan 19 16:08
schestowitzI thought it was a joke when I saw it in my feed reader, so didn't pay attentionJan 19 16:09
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: the funny thing is, Bush says that "religious fanatics" or whatever are out there in the field spraying peopleJan 19 16:09
schestowitzHe's right of courseJan 19 16:09
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: ExactlyJan 19 16:10
schestowitzhttp://blogs.computerworld.com/15420/should_ubuntu_include_proprietary_softwareJan 19 16:11
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Eruaran you got that link to Rumsfeld's daily bible story presentations that he put together for Bush on the war?Jan 19 16:11
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: did you hear about CHavez?Jan 19 16:11
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: noJan 19 16:11
schestowitzhttp://www.techworld.com.au/article/332896/venezuela_hugo_chavez_calls_playstation_games_poison?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1Jan 19 16:11
schestowitz[15:49] <schestowitz> Those games they call 'PlayStation' are poison. Some games teach you to kill. They once put my face on a game, 'you've got to find Chavez to kill him'. "Jan 19 16:11
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: well, if somebody produced a competing game with Obama's face, it would be "racism"Jan 19 16:11
*FurnaceBoy gigglesJan 19 16:11
schestowitzThey cast it in the US media as Chavez versus SonyJan 19 16:11
FurnaceBoy:|Jan 19 16:12
schestowitzVersus corporations ("they hate us cause we have MacDonalds")Jan 19 16:12
FurnaceBoywe live in bizarro worldJan 19 16:12
schestowitzRead the articleJan 19 16:12
FurnaceBoyi know, i got a ridiculous email from a colleague this morning saying what great things "Free trade" has done for Chile.Jan 19 16:12
FurnaceBoyclearly as an American he's unfamiliar with what "free trade" and "free trade agreements" actually entail.Jan 19 16:12
schestowitzHere's advice to ChavezJan 19 16:12
schestowitzGo secularJan 19 16:13
schestowitzThen we'll see more clearly who the "religious fanatic" are, in case they invade his countryJan 19 16:13
schestowitzThey'll plan more coupsJan 19 16:13
schestowitzIIRC, they tried so many assassinations alreadyJan 19 16:13
schestowitz!google costa rica copyrightJan 19 16:13
phIRCe-local[1] - IT Landscape of Costa Rica - Legal Environment | http://www1.american.edu/initeb/jn0859a/html/it_landscape_of_costa_rica_-_l.htmlJan 19 16:13
phIRCe-local[2] - Costa Rica Trademark Copyright Patent Logo Mark Slogan Registration | http://www.costaricatrademark.com/Jan 19 16:13
phIRCe-local[3] - Attorneys, Lawyers, Law Firms Copyright in Costa Rica | http://www.hg.org/law-firms/Copyright/Costa-Rica.htmlJan 19 16:13
phIRCe-local[4] - costaricalaw.com - Copyright Protection in Costa Rica | http://www.costaricalaw.com/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26task%3Dview%26id%3D127%26Itemid%3D43Jan 19 16:13
FurnaceBoyyepJan 19 16:14
FurnaceBoythe Costa Rica storyJan 19 16:14
schestowitz!google costa rica copyright us pressureJan 19 16:14
FurnaceBoyI could send it to him,Jan 19 16:14
phIRCe-local[1] - Michael Geist - U.S. To Costa Rica: No Sugar Access Without ... | http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/4697/125/Jan 19 16:14
phIRCe-local[2] - Michael Geist - Blog | http://www.michaelgeist.ca/Jan 19 16:14
phIRCe-local[3] - Article: Uruguay denies U.S. pressure to sponsor U.N. resolution ... | http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-51971507.htmlJan 19 16:14
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FurnaceBoybut he still wouldn't get it.Jan 19 16:14
FurnaceBoyi just have to ignore them.Jan 19 16:14
FurnaceBoythey're ignorant and learning resistant.Jan 19 16:14
FurnaceBoymy own country is party to these "Free trade agreements".Jan 19 16:14
FurnaceBoyof course he wouldn't even understand what such a thing is.Jan 19 16:14
FurnaceBoyhe's "inside".Jan 19 16:15
FurnaceBoythe world looks different from "inside".Jan 19 16:15
FurnaceBoyin fact, there is no "world". the windows are all painted over.Jan 19 16:15
schestowitzInside what?Jan 19 16:15
FurnaceBoythe USA.Jan 19 16:15
schestowitzThe countries?Jan 19 16:15
schestowitzOhjJan 19 16:15
FurnaceBoyhe's americanJan 19 16:15
FurnaceBoysighJan 19 16:15
schestowitzAmerican american?Jan 19 16:15
schestowitzOr the US american?Jan 19 16:15
FurnaceBoyUSAlienJan 19 16:15
rnbgood morningJan 19 16:16
rnbdamn, i like this channelJan 19 16:16
rnbalways talking about things i'm interested inJan 19 16:16
FurnaceBoyinstead of looking outwards at the world, they build stupid little copies like that horrible mall in Vegas.Jan 19 16:16
FurnaceBoywhat they 'wish' the world were likeJan 19 16:16
rnbviva chavez!Jan 19 16:16
rnbi'm going to caracas again in aprilJan 19 16:16
schestowitzHyprocritesJan 19 16:16
schestowitzWhen Iran puts US ploygons as targets they don't say the US does the sameJan 19 16:17
FurnaceBoythere's no way to respond. i was tempted to cite the Costa Rica thing. but he would find a way to defend it.Jan 19 16:17
schestowitzNow with Chavez, assuming IDG is factualJan 19 16:17
rnbtrying to deal with USians is like hammering against a brick wall with a spoonJan 19 16:17
FurnaceBoy+1Jan 19 16:17
DaemonFCwhy thank youJan 19 16:18
schestowitz!google biden mafiaaJan 19 16:18
DaemonFC:)Jan 19 16:18
phIRCe-local[1] - Off Topic: MAFIAA (Copyright Cartel) Runs the Country | Boycott Novell | http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/01/copyright-cartel-stuffs-debates/Jan 19 16:18
phIRCe-local[2] - Biden Convenes 'Piracy Summit' That Appears To Be Entirely One ... | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091215/0200387354.shtmlJan 19 16:18
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FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: case in pointJan 19 16:18
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: :)Jan 19 16:18
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: I found the wallpaper you use! http://www.flickr.com/photos/marumuchisimo/2441326529/Jan 19 16:18
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schestowitzHuh?Jan 19 16:19
schestowitzHe needs two gunsJan 19 16:19
FurnaceBoyheheJan 19 16:19
DaemonFCshoot through the civilianJan 19 16:19
schestowitzHe's seen defending himselfJan 19 16:19
DaemonFC:DJan 19 16:19
rnbremember the video game that came out a few years ago where a "mad dictator" had taken over venezuela's oil reserves? and it was a FPS where you had to go and overthrow the dictator?Jan 19 16:19
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: he doesn't look quite muslim enough. this is the 70s evil fantasyJan 19 16:19
DaemonFCanyway, that guy is exposing too much of his bodyJan 19 16:19
schestowitzThe girl at the pub said, "i kill u"Jan 19 16:19
rnbFurnaceBoy: oh, that thing is at every gun rangeJan 19 16:20
FurnaceBoyrnb: check out the current game "Tropica"Jan 19 16:20
FurnaceBoyrnb: yes I knowJan 19 16:20
FurnaceBoyrnb: that's what's so shocking and sickJan 19 16:20
rnbFurnaceBoy: eh.. you gotta have something on thereJan 19 16:20
schestowitzDaemonFC already thought of itJan 19 16:20
FurnaceBoyrnb: it fuels the DIrty Harry fantasies of ole DaemonFC here :)Jan 19 16:20
schestowitzHow to 'defend' is bodyJan 19 16:21
FurnaceBoyrnb: no, it's problematicJan 19 16:21
schestowitzWith the "flesh" called womanJan 19 16:21
rnbFurnaceBoy: sorry, i'm all-american when it comes to gun rights :)Jan 19 16:21
FurnaceBoyrnb: you need to have been here for our conversation the other dayJan 19 16:21
schestowitzDaemonFC: you're sick, manJan 19 16:21
rnbFurnaceBoy: when guns are outlawed, only cops will have gunsJan 19 16:21
DaemonFCSuper Mario is a doorway to cigarettes, drugs, and alcoholJan 19 16:21
FurnaceBoyrnb: i said this image is problematicJan 19 16:21
DaemonFCChavez is a dumbassJan 19 16:21
FurnaceBoyrnb: i'm not on the topic of gun rightsJan 19 16:21
rnbFurnaceBoy: i guess, i can see your pointJan 19 16:21
FurnaceBoyrnb: PHEWJan 19 16:21
DaemonFCschestowitzHow am I sick?Jan 19 16:22
FurnaceBoyanyway, bom diaJan 19 16:22
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: we've explained beforeJan 19 16:22
rnbheheh bom dia Jan 19 16:22
DaemonFCspecificallyJan 19 16:22
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: brick wall, spoonJan 19 16:22
schestowitzrnb: it's better when only policemen have gunsJan 19 16:22
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: wow, nice trollJan 19 16:22
Omar87Hi allJan 19 16:22
rnbschestowitz: are you mad?Jan 19 16:22
Omar87rnb: hey :-)Jan 19 16:22
schestowitzThere's also paper record of where the guns areJan 19 16:22
rnbOmar87: marhaba, OmarJan 19 16:22
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: he already warned you about his position on gunsJan 19 16:22
schestowitzDaemonFC: toss the gun at a lakeJan 19 16:22
FurnaceBoy+1Jan 19 16:22
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy: Well, I'd say that people who tap on brick walls with their spoons aren't too brightJan 19 16:22
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: won't ever happen, he has an addiction to these fantasiesJan 19 16:22
MinceR"it's better when only policemen and criminals have guns" There, fixed that for you.Jan 19 16:22
Omar87rnb: Ahlan wa sahlan. ^^Jan 19 16:22
rnbOmar87: keyf halek?Jan 19 16:23
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: right. i'm gonna use my spoon to eat breakfastJan 19 16:23
DaemonFCthey expect the wall to break to be "fair to everyone with spoons"Jan 19 16:23
DaemonFC;)Jan 19 16:23
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: I don't expect fairness from that wall.Jan 19 16:23
DaemonFCyou shouldn'tJan 19 16:23
Omar87rnb: Alhamdu lillah, I'm great. Enta kefak? :DJan 19 16:23
DaemonFCthe wall has no reason to accommodate idiots trying to beat it down with spoonsJan 19 16:23
rnbFurnaceBoy: thats why i'm pro-gun, if you empty a clip of a semi-auto 9mm into that wall, you start to get somewhereJan 19 16:24
DaemonFCI wish scientific laws could be bent that way by liberalsJan 19 16:24
DaemonFCit would be interestingJan 19 16:24
MinceRi'd rather fire a missile at that wallJan 19 16:24
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: I think you missed the original basis for the metaphor...Jan 19 16:24
DaemonFCnot at allJan 19 16:24
DaemonFCI know what you were trying to say and saw the irony in how you were trying to express yourselfJan 19 16:24
FurnaceBoyirony?Jan 19 16:24
DaemonFCyesJan 19 16:25
rnbwasnt it me that said it?Jan 19 16:25
FurnaceBoywhere is it?Jan 19 16:25
*rnb wants his creditJan 19 16:25
DaemonFCthat the guy with the spoon is expecting the wall to be sympathetic and destroy itself just to please the guy with the spoonJan 19 16:25
DaemonFCand for no other reasonJan 19 16:25
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you're a US American. you could have little grasp of what it's like to deal with them , as a non-AmericanJan 19 16:25
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: no, i don't expect the wall to be sympathetic.Jan 19 16:25
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: it was just a reasonably accurate metaphor for speaking with americansJan 19 16:25
rnbDaemonFC: how the fuck can a wall be sympathetic?Jan 19 16:25
rnbDaemonFC: it's just a wallJan 19 16:26
FurnaceBoyyep.Jan 19 16:26
rnbDaemonFC: it doesnt think, it doesnt have feelings, it cant be sympatheticJan 19 16:26
FurnaceBoythat's as far as the metaphor needs to go. done its job.Jan 19 16:26
DaemonFCrnb: Cause the liberals passed a law requiring laws to be sympathetic to those with spoonsJan 19 16:26
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: wtf?Jan 19 16:26
FurnaceBoysighJan 19 16:26
DaemonFCthey called it equal rights Jan 19 16:26
rnbDaemonFC: hahaha, this conversation is living proof of the metaphor. Jan 19 16:26
FurnaceBoyi'm gonna go get breakfast.Jan 19 16:26
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you are the wallJan 19 16:26
DaemonFC*requiring wallsJan 19 16:26
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rnbDaemonFC: what does the 'FC' in DaemonFC stand for?Jan 19 16:27
rnbDaemonFC: is it a geek joke i dont get?Jan 19 16:27
DaemonFCthe churches for example, got religiously motivated crimes to be recognized in the 1968 hate crime lawJan 19 16:27
DaemonFCfederal, no lessJan 19 16:27
DaemonFCnow that gays are recognized, they're complaining that hate crime laws are unfair, unequal, and government micro-managementJan 19 16:28
rnbDaemonFC: "liberals" in the US are basically center-right, when compared with the rest of the worldJan 19 16:28
rnbDaemonFC: the US doesnt have a mainstream left-wingJan 19 16:28
DaemonFCpeople always enjoy unnatural advantages that they shouldn't have over the rest of societyJan 19 16:28
DaemonFCuntil someone they don't like is given the same statusJan 19 16:28
rnbDaemonFC: 99% of those people are the kids of rich familiesJan 19 16:29
DaemonFCit's jealousy and hatredJan 19 16:29
rnbDaemonFC: who or what are you even talking about?Jan 19 16:29
DaemonFCironically the same things they preach against, with "certain exceptions"Jan 19 16:29
rnbOmar87: i'm good! except i slept in a little later than i should haveJan 19 16:29
rnbDaemonFC: again.. who or what are you even talking about?Jan 19 16:30
DaemonFCrnb: I'm saying that if Canada was a much larger (population) with much more wealth, then they'd get everyone complaining about themJan 19 16:30
Omar87rnb: I see. :)Jan 19 16:30
DaemonFCit's not just about being a modern, wealthy countryJan 19 16:30
DaemonFCit's absolutely about which is on topJan 19 16:30
rnbDaemonFC: i think it's more about the butcherist foreign policy of the USJan 19 16:31
DaemonFCthere's always going to be one, and everyone that lives there will be internationally vilified Jan 19 16:31
rnbDaemonFC: and the domestic policies that come out of the middle agesJan 19 16:31
DaemonFCit's pettyJan 19 16:31
rnbDaemonFC: i think that's more what it has to do withJan 19 16:31
DaemonFCrnb: Hate Crimes laws come out of the middle ages?Jan 19 16:31
DaemonFCwell, maybe the "against Christians" partJan 19 16:32
DaemonFCyou wouldn't find other religions, racial minorities, and homosexuals in that lawJan 19 16:32
rnbDaemonFC: hate crime legislation is just a way to pack more people into the mega-business of the prison-industrial complexJan 19 16:32
rnbDaemonFC: and THAT is a cruelty that innovates on the middle agesJan 19 16:33
DaemonFCthe overwhelming majority of people in most western countries are ChristianJan 19 16:33
DaemonFCnow it can be a simple majority or a crushing one, but it's a majorityJan 19 16:33
DaemonFCand those people will probably have too much influence on the government just due to thatJan 19 16:33
rnbDaemonFC: so what?Jan 19 16:34
DaemonFCand there's nothing one person can really do to move all of society and the governmentJan 19 16:34
DaemonFCyet stupid foreigners......pause and consider..... are always complaining to me like I was the god damned president or somethingJan 19 16:35
rnbstupid foreigners complain to YOU?Jan 19 16:35
DaemonFCit's just annoyingJan 19 16:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "Advertising is the price companies pay for being un-original." http://www.flickr.com/photos/marumuchisimo/2305331973/Jan 19 16:35
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rnbwhy you?Jan 19 16:35
MinceRDaemonFC: you keep claiming that the things your government and megacorps do are oh-so-righteousJan 19 16:35
DaemonFCrnb: Because they see where I'm fromJan 19 16:35
DaemonFCand immediately start bitching to meJan 19 16:35
MinceRDaemonFC: you keep defending themJan 19 16:35
DaemonFCthat's all it takesJan 19 16:35
rnbDaemonFC: i mean, where do you run into these foreigners?Jan 19 16:35
DaemonFCcould be anywhere, people are different in personJan 19 16:36
rnbDaemonFC: i dont often get mobbed by opinionated foreignersJan 19 16:36
DaemonFCit's like, it's easier to thumb your nose at someone when you know they can't do anything about it at the momentJan 19 16:36
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FurnaceBoyhttp://twitter.com/mparent77772/status/7950495596Jan 19 16:36
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: ^^ good summaryJan 19 16:37
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DaemonFCI'm not sending anything just because I don't trust that it will arrive thereJan 19 16:37
DaemonFCand even if it does, they'll still badmouth the US, act like we caused the earthquake Jan 19 16:38
MinceRDaemonFC: and you're defending Jesusland againJan 19 16:38
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: i see what you did tharJan 19 16:38
DaemonFCthere's enough Americans that are conjuring up conspiracy theories about how we caused itJan 19 16:38
FurnaceBoybadmouthing != asserting you caused itJan 19 16:38
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: it's not required that you CAUSE the earthquakeJan 19 16:38
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: there are so MANY other kinds of malfeasance, capisce?Jan 19 16:39
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: read the link, enlighten yourselfJan 19 16:39
rnbi cant even put together what DaemonFC is sayingJan 19 16:39
DaemonFCif they can't run their country, then I'm sorry, but it's not because of anything we didJan 19 16:39
FurnaceBoyrnb: he can't seem to string two rational thoughts togetherJan 19 16:39
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: read the fricking articleJan 19 16:39
MinceRoften not even oneJan 19 16:39
rnbprobably because "forming coherent arguments" was slashed out of the public education budget decades ago Jan 19 16:39
DaemonFCforeign aid has been most of Haiti's economy for decadesJan 19 16:39
DaemonFCthey don't use it to improve the placeJan 19 16:40
MinceRrnb: had to make room for creationism :>Jan 19 16:40
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you might be the first irc person i've put on ignoreJan 19 16:40
rnbDaemonFC: you know papa doc?Jan 19 16:40
MinceRand other forms of religious brainwashingJan 19 16:40
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you really should read moreJan 19 16:40
DaemonFCyes, reading.....Jan 19 16:40
DaemonFCyou can get any random person's opinions by clicking whatever linkJan 19 16:41
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: don't be stupidJan 19 16:41
DaemonFCdo I want any of them?Jan 19 16:41
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: the truth isn't in your national anthem. you have to go FIND itJan 19 16:41
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: question your kneejerk defensivenessJan 19 16:41
DaemonFCno really, it goes from the fucking liberals, to the fucking religious stupidityJan 19 16:41
DaemonFCand you don't se a lot in betweenJan 19 16:41
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: no, YOU don't see anything in between.Jan 19 16:42
rnbDaemonFC: thats because the US has a narrow, one-party systemJan 19 16:42
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FurnaceBoyrnb: +1Jan 19 16:42
DaemonFCit's gotten to where any political piece I read angers meJan 19 16:42
rnbDaemonFC: if the US had a real, healthy left-wing, maybe people like you would find a productive outlet for your angerJan 19 16:42
DaemonFCboth sides are absolutely wrongJan 19 16:42
MinceRi guess everyone is liberal from the viewpoint of a right-wing extremistJan 19 16:42
rnbDaemonFC: i'm agreeing with you, but there arent "both sides"Jan 19 16:43
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rnbDaemonFC: its just two different presentations of the same thingJan 19 16:43
rnbDaemonFC: like coke and pepsiJan 19 16:43
rnbDaemonFC: playstation and xboxJan 19 16:43
FurnaceBoyeh. breakfast *was* a better idaJan 19 16:43
FurnaceBoyideaJan 19 16:43
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DaemonFCrnb: So why are there such bitter disagreements over how to fuck everyone over and make life harder?Jan 19 16:43
DaemonFCthere's differences, just a matter of which evil do you preferJan 19 16:44
rnbDaemonFC: duh, that's how they keep people arguing over petty differences, and never being exposed to REAL changeJan 19 16:44
rnbDaemonFC: it's why the US ruling class is scared shitless of communists/socialistsJan 19 16:44
rnbDaemonFC: they know that if that existed here, they'd be fuckedJan 19 16:45
DaemonFCthey don't need to be, they get like less than 1% of the voteJan 19 16:45
rnbDaemonFC: *NOW* they do, after decades after political assassinations, politically-motivated arrests, etcJan 19 16:45
DaemonFCwhy would they be scared of 100,000 Socialists scattered throughout a country with over 300 million people?Jan 19 16:46
rnbDaemonFC: but communists started to become a huge influence in this countryJan 19 16:46
rnbDaemonFC: it didnt used to be 100,000 socialists, it was damn near every trade unionistJan 19 16:46
rnbDaemonFC: and then, through political assassinations and political arrests, gestapo-style, they put an end to that and went to war anywhere in the world they could to fight socialismJan 19 16:47
rnbDaemonFC: and that happens still, until this dayJan 19 16:47
DaemonFCI'd just rather have the libertarians in powerJan 19 16:47
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DaemonFCrollback all these laws that overstep the constitutionJan 19 16:48
DaemonFCstop declaring unnecessary warsJan 19 16:48
DaemonFCI'm in favor of the hate crimes law getting repealed in full Jan 19 16:48
rnbDaemonFC: "libertarian", in every other country on earth, means someone who is a socialistJan 19 16:48
rnbDaemonFC: i guess.. but how much different is society going to be if the hate crimes law is repealed?Jan 19 16:49
rnbDaemonFC: thats a minor changeJan 19 16:49
DaemonFCrnb: A lot more fairJan 19 16:49
rnbDaemonFC: "A lot" more??Jan 19 16:49
rnbDaemonFC: come on.Jan 19 16:49
DaemonFCyesJan 19 16:49
rnbDaemonFC: do you feel persecuted daily by hate crime laws?Jan 19 16:50
rnbDaemonFC: did your life radically change once those were passed?Jan 19 16:50
DaemonFCit's unconstitutional to give someone a harsher sentence for killing me than for the next personJan 19 16:50
rnbDaemonFC: has it ever affected you in any way?Jan 19 16:50
DaemonFCbut the hate crime law lets that happenJan 19 16:50
rnbDaemonFC: thats not what i askedJan 19 16:50
rnbDaemonFC: i asked if it ever affected you, in any wayJan 19 16:50
DaemonFCrnb: it just isn't rightJan 19 16:50
rnbDaemonFC: thats a minor changeJan 19 16:51
DaemonFCit can turn a petty act of vandalism into a federal felonyJan 19 16:51
rnbDaemonFC: eh, i tend to agreeJan 19 16:51
rnbDaemonFC: but there's bigger issues to be concerned about, i thinkJan 19 16:51
DaemonFCif I broke a window out of a church, I could go to prison for 10 yearsJan 19 16:51
rnbDaemonFC: like the prison-industrial complex that pushed for that law in the first placeJan 19 16:51
DaemonFCif I broke one out of your house, or Walmart, it would by maybe 6 months in jailJan 19 16:51
rnbDaemonFC: now, if you were saying to destroy the prison-industrial complex, THAT would be a significant changeJan 19 16:51
DaemonFCI don't like that, I don't like the drug wars, or mandatory sentencing for most drug crimesJan 19 16:52
rnbDaemonFC: hell, mandatory minimum sentencing guidelines are a FAR more dangerous lawJan 19 16:52
DaemonFCit all goes togetherJan 19 16:52
DaemonFCit needs to be dismantled piece by piece, just like it was put inJan 19 16:52
rnbDaemonFC: eh, see? you sound like a socialist alreadyJan 19 16:53
DaemonFCrnb: So who are the people saying we need to give special rights to some minorities?Jan 19 16:53
DaemonFCand mandatory purchase of health insurance?Jan 19 16:53
rnbDaemonFC: the capitalist ruling classJan 19 16:53
rnbDaemonFC: hahaha, who the hell do you THINK wants mandatory purchase of health insurance?Jan 19 16:54
rnbDaemonFC: the left-wing?!? hahaJan 19 16:54
rnbDaemonFC: who would you BUY that mandatory insurance from?Jan 19 16:54
rnbDaemonFC: dont you think MAYBE those are the companies that want that law?Jan 19 16:54
DaemonFCwell, it's kind of got elements of bothJan 19 16:54
DaemonFCenriching companies, but saying everyone needs healthcareJan 19 16:54
rnbDaemonFC: everyone does need health careJan 19 16:54
DaemonFCI don't see why mandatory taxation to pay for it like Canada does is better?Jan 19 16:55
rnbDaemonFC: but not through any of the plans floated in the USJan 19 16:55
DaemonFCit still comes out of your incomeJan 19 16:55
rnbDaemonFC: nah, free health care should come through a much more radical changeJan 19 16:55
DaemonFCthe only difference is how efficient the mandatory expensive ass thing is going to beJan 19 16:55
rnbDaemonFC: of course any civilized society would want to make sure that people everywhere have proper health careJan 19 16:55
DaemonFCobviously with companies controlling it, for-profit, it'll be a lot less efficientJan 19 16:56
rnbDaemonFC: it'll be a goddamn rip-offJan 19 16:56
rnbDaemonFC: 10 times more of a rip-off than it is nowJan 19 16:56
rnbanyway, i gotta goJan 19 16:56
rnbi'll be back later, comradeJan 19 16:56
DaemonFCwell, Medicare, ran by the government, has 99 cents of every dollar that came into it going to pay claimsJan 19 16:56
DaemonFCa private insurance company will pay out maybe 80 cents on the dollarJan 19 16:56
DaemonFCit's a fleecingJan 19 16:57
DaemonFCthen either way you have unethical doctors and hospitals that charge the government for stuff they never didJan 19 16:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] thought for the day, from my #spam: "Being rich is difficult but looking rich is easy."Jan 19 17:09
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DaemonFCI don't see how people last at proprietary software companies just because of the secretsJan 19 18:01
DaemonFCnobody is allowed to tell you anything not directly related to what you're working on, same rule for you talking to othersJan 19 18:01
DaemonFCyou know everything they blog about probably has to be read and signed off on by their managerJan 19 18:02
DaemonFCit sounds more like a line of convict laborers working in shackles with a guard pacing back and forth with a shotgunJan 19 18:02
DaemonFCI mean I guess maybe the money is good, but I just don't see creativity flowing in that kind of an environmentJan 19 18:04
FurnaceBoyrightJan 19 18:13
FurnaceBoyit's technically detrimental.Jan 19 18:13
FurnaceBoyScience and Mathematics thrived on the opposite conditions.Jan 19 18:13
FurnaceBoysharing.Jan 19 18:13
FurnaceBoystanding on the shoulders of giants.Jan 19 18:13
FurnaceBoythe proprietary model is simply fuckedJan 19 18:13
FurnaceBoyit's why MS is so far behind the state of the artJan 19 18:13
*FurnaceBoy goes back to workJan 19 18:13
DaemonFCschestowitz: The downgrade rights option isn't newJan 19 18:14
DaemonFCyou can buy a PC with Windows 7 Pro and go all the way back to Windows 2000 if you likeJan 19 18:14
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: are you sure? aren't they all EOL?Jan 19 18:15
DaemonFCanything that's still in at least Extended Support, which Windows 2000 is until June of this yearJan 19 18:15
FurnaceBoyoh.Jan 19 18:15
DaemonFCthough Microsoft has been refusing some critical security patches for Windows 2000 over the last 2 yearsJan 19 18:15
DaemonFCthe excuse being that it would require all kinds of invasive surgery to correct the problem :PJan 19 18:15
DaemonFCthe real reason is obviously because they want to scare small businesses with old hardware into buying new Windows 7 systemsJan 19 18:16
FurnaceBoyyusJan 19 18:16
FurnaceBoyit's all about corralling Jan 19 18:16
FurnaceBoy+ FUDJan 19 18:17
FurnaceBoyFUD is the cattleprod heheJan 19 18:17
DaemonFCthey also refused Service Pack 5, even though they were beta testing itJan 19 18:17
DaemonFCcause they didn't want to increase the tiem remaining for technical supportJan 19 18:17
DaemonFCand there's no way to upgrade it past Windows Media Player 9 and IE 6, which it came withJan 19 18:18
*FurnaceBoy wonders how to follow indenti.ca on Friendfeed :\Jan 19 18:18
*FurnaceBoy feels stupidJan 19 18:18
DaemonFCthe only updates that still work are the DirectX 9 redistributable updates that are earmarked for XPJan 19 18:19
DaemonFCthose will workJan 19 18:19
DaemonFCbut some games do bogus checks to make sure you're on at least XP and refuse to run on 2000Jan 19 18:19
DaemonFCyou can usually crack the game's EXE file thoughJan 19 18:20
DaemonFCRed Alert 3 tried telling me it wouldn't workJan 19 18:20
DaemonFCMicrosoft treats their users like shit, even before the support lifecycle endsJan 19 18:21
DaemonFCthey'll tell you anything you want to hear to persuade you into buying the next versionJan 19 18:21
cubezzzI keep hearing all these bad things about Windows and yet people keep using itJan 19 18:22
cubezzzjust stop using itJan 19 18:22
FurnaceBoyLOL!Jan 19 18:22
FurnaceBoyAMENJan 19 18:22
*FurnaceBoy doesn't use it except for *koff* occasional games that the monopoly prevents being on Linux or OS XJan 19 18:22
DaemonFCWine is a problem I was not expectingJan 19 18:23
FurnaceBoyi use WINEJan 19 18:23
DaemonFCit seems to conflict with my ATI driversJan 19 18:23
DaemonFCalmsot no games are playableJan 19 18:23
FurnaceBoyyeah it can be quite a battleJan 19 18:23
FurnaceBoyi almost got Half Life 2 working in WINEJan 19 18:23
DaemonFCHalf Life 2 does work in Wine if you have an Nvidia cardJan 19 18:23
*FurnaceBoy is on RadeonJan 19 18:24
DaemonFCperformance is not great, but the game runsJan 19 18:24
FurnaceBoybut i haven't tried for yearsJan 19 18:24
DaemonFCmeh, it's like whatever Wine nails down, is what Microsoft is fixing to deprecate anyway in favor of something newJan 19 18:25
FurnaceBoyyes.Jan 19 18:25
FurnaceBoy:)Jan 19 18:25
FurnaceBoynot quite coincidenceJan 19 18:25
cubezzzI had fun with the Loki and LGP gamesJan 19 18:25
FurnaceBoyit's why DX gets reved all the timeJan 19 18:25
DaemonFCno, I think most of that is jsut a normal update cadenceJan 19 18:25
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: partlyJan 19 18:25
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: and the rest is a strategy to confoundJan 19 18:26
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: win-winJan 19 18:26
DaemonFCwell, Windows does change, in some ways it does improve, where it has toJan 19 18:26
DaemonFCso Wine will always be behind itJan 19 18:26
DaemonFCWine will never be fully compatible while Windows is still being developedJan 19 18:27
DaemonFCsome problems are on Wine's insistence on doing things a certain wayJan 19 18:28
FurnaceBoyright, but it can still be bloody usefulJan 19 18:28
*FurnaceBoy uses it to run microsoft compilers for 64 bit and 32 bit buildsJan 19 18:28
DaemonFCI remember I asked once why my mouse cursor was not working properly in certain gamesJan 19 18:28
FurnaceBoybeats rebooting into f****** windowsJan 19 18:28
DaemonFCthey told me that Alexandre Julliard told them not to fix itJan 19 18:28
DaemonFCbecause it would break *some* Win16 applicationsJan 19 18:28
DaemonFCis that not ridiculous?Jan 19 18:28
DaemonFCI think they could remove all Win16 support entirely and nobody would know or careJan 19 18:29
DaemonFCMicrosoft has removed the Win16 subsystem from Windows x86-64Jan 19 18:30
DaemonFChow many people are still using software from <1995 anywayJan 19 18:30
cubezzzguys, there's Linux gamesJan 19 18:31
FurnaceBoycubezzz: but many games are windows only.Jan 19 18:31
cubezzzyou don't have to bork around with WINEJan 19 18:31
FurnaceBoycubezzz: that's the problemJan 19 18:31
cubezzzyeah I knowJan 19 18:31
FurnaceBoymonopoly effect.Jan 19 18:31
FurnaceBoyvendors need to realise there is a linux marketJan 19 18:31
DaemonFCa few do a Linux version just for gigglesJan 19 18:32
DaemonFCit's like, it's not that much effort to port it, so here you goJan 19 18:32
FurnaceBoyDirectX is designed to make it impossible to port.Jan 19 18:32
FurnaceBoysee?Jan 19 18:32
FurnaceBoyit's the whole pointJan 19 18:32
FurnaceBoyotherwise they could code to an open standard and porting effort is minimalJan 19 18:33
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy: But id engines can use DirectX -or- OpenGLJan 19 18:33
FurnaceBoy:(Jan 19 18:33
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: sure, that's irrelevant.Jan 19 18:33
trmancoanybody know a tool to zero-fill and hd?Jan 19 18:33
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: DX is designed as a lock-inJan 19 18:33
DaemonFCand the game is easy and fast to portJan 19 18:33
trmancoan*Jan 19 18:33
trmancoa*Jan 19 18:33
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy: And id is not falling for itJan 19 18:33
Aondoany play any of the id games on linux ?Jan 19 18:33
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: that's just one vendor.Jan 19 18:33
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: DX is working to keep the rest Windows-only.Jan 19 18:33
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy: Not reallyJan 19 18:33
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: it's what it's FOR.Jan 19 18:33
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: YES.Jan 19 18:34
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: Crytek. Windows only.Jan 19 18:34
DaemonFCit applies to anyone they license their engine toJan 19 18:34
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: RockStar. Windows only.Jan 19 18:34
DaemonFCPrey is on LinuxJan 19 18:34
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: open your eyes.Jan 19 18:34
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: i'm describing the market AS IT IS.Jan 19 18:34
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: DX is designed to lock ISVs into Windows.Jan 19 18:34
DaemonFCI'm just saying that anyone that licenses the id engine can make a Linux version easilyJan 19 18:34
DaemonFCnot that they WILLJan 19 18:34
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: that's ONE VENDOR!Jan 19 18:34
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: what about Crytek and RockstarJan 19 18:34
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: and all the rest.Jan 19 18:35
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: hell, even World of Goo (2DBOY) is Windows only.Jan 19 18:35
Aondoanother popular game. quite new game, is Heroes of newerth by S2 gamesJan 19 18:35
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: Blueberry Garden - Windows only.Jan 19 18:35
DaemonFCAondo: Yes, the Linux versions run just as well as the Windows versionJan 19 18:35
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: LOVE - Windows only.Jan 19 18:35
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: DX is DOING ITS JOB.Jan 19 18:35
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: MW2 - Windows only.Jan 19 18:35
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: ALL THE MAJOR GAMES are Windows only, thanks to MS strategy.Jan 19 18:35
DaemonFCthey have an installer that tells you to put in the Windows version of the game and it takes it from thereJan 19 18:35
FurnaceBoyand a lot of the indies too.Jan 19 18:36
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy: DirectX is really pointless, as a technologyJan 19 18:36
FurnaceBoyBorderlands. Half Life.Jan 19 18:36
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: HUH?Jan 19 18:36
DaemonFCOpenGL does everything DirectX does and then someJan 19 18:36
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: its purpose is lockin, and it does that beautifully.Jan 19 18:36
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: YES SURE BUT WHO CARES?Jan 19 18:36
DaemonFCyesJan 19 18:36
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: LOOK at the market AS ISJan 19 18:36
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: it's corrupt. it's broken.Jan 19 18:36
DaemonFCI was saying as a technology, it's redundantJan 19 18:36
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: their lock-in strategy is working.Jan 19 18:37
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: all microsoft technology is redundant and irrelevant. goes without saying.Jan 19 18:37
DaemonFCyou can still use OpenGL on Windows gamesJan 19 18:37
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: the point i'm making is they have successfully broken the market.Jan 19 18:37
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: who cares?Jan 19 18:37
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: that's THEORY.Jan 19 18:37
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: i'm talking about wanting to run games on the operating system I choose. I can't.Jan 19 18:37
DaemonFCit does matter for a few reasonsJan 19 18:37
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: sighJan 19 18:37
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: we're talking at cross purposesJan 19 18:37
DaemonFCone being this new WebGLJan 19 18:37
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: they are already attacking that.Jan 19 18:37
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: they attack all open standards as it threatens their lock-in based business model.Jan 19 18:38
DaemonFCso? They can't stop Firefox from using itJan 19 18:38
Aondohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S2_Games Seems very friendly to linux all their gamesJan 19 18:38
FurnaceBoyobviously.Jan 19 18:38
phIRCe-localTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden .::. Size~: 0 KBJan 19 18:38
DaemonFCIE is shriveling up and dyingJan 19 18:38
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: I know in 10 years they'll be gone, blah blah, but look at the broken market TODAY.Jan 19 18:38
DaemonFCit won't matter anymore in a couple more yearsJan 19 18:38
Aondothey are pretty small, but i think thanks to heroes of newerth (a dota clone) they will get biggerJan 19 18:38
FurnaceBoyAondo: sadly a lot of indie developers are still Windows only.Jan 19 18:39
FurnaceBoyAondo: we should probably be lobbying them.Jan 19 18:39
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy: IE will be less than half the total hits around the middle of this yearJan 19 18:39
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: yes, this is greatJan 19 18:39
DaemonFCevery inch it loses makes it easier to tell isiots that are using it to get lostJan 19 18:39
DaemonFC*idiotsJan 19 18:39
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: I know that *eventually* they'll be gone. but their lock-in is staggeringly effective over the past quarter-century. it's what they do.Jan 19 18:39
FurnaceBoyOOXML anybody.Jan 19 18:40
DaemonFCthey're really trying to brace themselves, because the ground they're standing on is about to open up and swallow themJan 19 18:40
FurnaceBoydata lockin, code lockin.Jan 19 18:40
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: yes.Jan 19 18:40
DaemonFCthey're losing Office, they're losing IEJan 19 18:40
DaemonFCthe importance of standalone apps is diminishingJan 19 18:41
FurnaceBoy+1Jan 19 18:41
FurnaceBoyand google chrome os is the waited-for play to enlarge the crack in the armour.Jan 19 18:41
DaemonFCeverything that they've tried to make a foundation out of is collapsingJan 19 18:41
DaemonFCthey've lied, cheated and stolen to keep Windows from tanking up to this pointJan 19 18:42
FurnaceBoyright. that won't stop. it's the only way they know how.Jan 19 18:42
FurnaceBoysoft bribery will ramp upJan 19 18:42
DaemonFCthey can't give Windows away on netbooks just to keep Linux off them, as a business modelJan 19 18:43
FurnaceBoy:)Jan 19 18:43
DaemonFCpeople are buying netbooks where full laptops with expensive Windows licenses would have fit in beforeJan 19 18:43
DaemonFCso even making them give Windows away for free is a winJan 19 18:43
DaemonFCthey're forced to waste resources in an attempt to salt the earth of LinuxJan 19 18:44
DaemonFCI don't think they counted on having to do that for this longJan 19 18:45
DaemonFCthey know the moment they stop giving out the subsidize is the moment Linux netbooks start hitting the shelves againJan 19 18:45
DaemonFCso they're kind of pinned downJan 19 18:45
DaemonFC*subsidesJan 19 18:45
DaemonFCugghJan 19 18:45
DaemonFCsubsidies evenJan 19 18:45
DaemonFCpinned down indefinitely because a profitable laptop market was decimatedJan 19 18:46
DaemonFCby LinuxJan 19 18:46
DaemonFCso Linux has had a disruptive effect there even if it's not installed on a single model on the shelfJan 19 18:47
DaemonFCI'd give good odds that if you can get an ARM-based netbook down cheaper than an x86 model with Windows, even Walmart might carry themJan 19 18:49
FurnaceBoywindows is really hurt by non  -x86 archJan 19 18:49
DaemonFCits software library will be what keeps it from following Linux onto ARMJan 19 18:50
FurnaceBoyyes.Jan 19 18:50
FurnaceBoyand design flawsJan 19 18:50
DaemonFCWindows can be ported, the thousands of programs it runs won't go with itJan 19 18:50
DaemonFCso it would be like starting over from scratchJan 19 18:51
DaemonFCand program not bundled with Windows will need rewritten or recompiledJan 19 18:51
DaemonFCfrustration over not having any software ready to run is what killed Windows on DEC Alpha and PowerPCJan 19 18:52
DaemonFCand on the ItaniumJan 19 18:52
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: this is a huge adv of open sourceJan 19 18:52
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: x86 monoculture helped microsoft more than anything elseJan 19 18:52
cubezzzMicrosoft lied about the returns tooJan 19 18:52
DaemonFCyou may as well run UNIX or Linux on a non-x86 CPUJan 19 18:52
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: as I do.Jan 19 18:53
cubezzzthe returns on netbooks were about the same for Linux and dozeJan 19 18:53
cubezzzha, I got my trusty zaurus right here beside meJan 19 18:53
cubezzznon x86 Jan 19 18:53
cubezzzbtw FurnaceBoy what non x86 cpu do you use?Jan 19 18:54
FurnaceBoyjust in this apartment i have at least four different non-x86 platforms.Jan 19 18:54
FurnaceBoycubezzz: mostly PowerPC. Sometimes SPARC. In the past, also m68k, PA-RISC, etcJan 19 18:54
cubezzzahJan 19 18:54
FurnaceBoycubezzz: I'm also a collector.Jan 19 18:54
FurnaceBoyoh, and Alpha. used that a lot. runs Linux beautifully.Jan 19 18:55
cubezzzyou have Amiga too?Jan 19 18:55
FurnaceBoyactually I have m68k NeXT Cube here too. so that's five non-x86 just in this aptJan 19 18:55
tessierI used to have an Alpha UDB machine. Two in fact. 166 and 166Mhz IIRCJan 19 18:55
FurnaceBoycubezzz: noJan 19 18:55
tessierWasn't nearly as fast as I expected due to limited memory bandwidth.Jan 19 18:55
FurnaceBoytessier: I own UDB , and Alphastation and AlphaserverJan 19 18:55
tessierAlpha was an awesome architecture. A shame it died. :(Jan 19 18:55
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tessierNow we're left with the worst of the worst.Jan 19 18:56
DaemonFCI have a dual G4 PowerMac in the other roomJan 19 18:56
DaemonFC:PJan 19 18:56
tessierI hope ARM/MIPS will take off due to embedded use. Jan 19 18:56
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: very nice. used that for years.Jan 19 18:56
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: right now, dual G5 and G4 laptop.Jan 19 18:56
tessierA huge percentage of the x86 power budget is used in instruction decoding alone.Jan 19 18:56
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy: I'd like to get my hands on a dual G5 Mac ProJan 19 18:56
DaemonFCstill way too expensiveJan 19 18:56
cubezzzI remember 6502 was so straight-forward for assembly programmingJan 19 18:57
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: really? expensive?Jan 19 18:58
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: tried ebay?Jan 19 18:58
DaemonFCyeahJan 19 18:58
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: A G4 Cube is ~ $200 i thinkJan 19 18:58
DaemonFCApple hardware is expensive even when it's obsoleteJan 19 18:58
cubezzzthey still make 6502's tooJan 19 18:58
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: because it lasts foreverJan 19 18:58
cubezzzFurnaceBoy, you run Linux on all your hardware?Jan 19 18:59
FurnaceBoycubezzz: noJan 19 18:59
FurnaceBoycubezzz: linux on the pc, os x on the macs, solaris on the sparcJan 19 18:59
FurnaceBoycubezzz: linux on alpha is greatJan 19 18:59
cubezzzah ok, thought you might have put Linux on the sparcJan 19 18:59
FurnaceBoyno...Jan 19 18:59
FurnaceBoydidn't run well on the older archs, sun4c for instanceJan 19 18:59
cubezzzI remember sun4's that's from the 80's is it not?Jan 19 19:00
cubezzzlate 80'sJan 19 19:00
FurnaceBoyyes. SPARCstationsJan 19 19:00
FurnaceBoyoriginally ran SunOS 4 (BSD)Jan 19 19:00
cubezzzWaterloo had those at one timeJan 19 19:00
FurnaceBoymy first unix, actually.Jan 19 19:00
cubezzzVenix for me :)Jan 19 19:00
cubezzzif you can call that UnixJan 19 19:00
FurnaceBoyheheJan 19 19:00
FurnaceBoycubezzz: you're in CA? me tooJan 19 19:01
FurnaceBoyas in .caJan 19 19:01
cubezzzyeah Oshawa Jan 19 19:01
FurnaceBoy:)Jan 19 19:01
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy: I've seen people on Craigslist trying to sell a G3 eMac with OS 9Jan 19 19:01
DaemonFCfor $400Jan 19 19:01
DaemonFC:)Jan 19 19:01
FurnaceBoyhaJan 19 19:01
FurnaceBoyeMac is G4.Jan 19 19:01
DaemonFCit said G3Jan 19 19:01
FurnaceBoy~800MHzJan 19 19:01
cubezzzSun4 still ran X though I thinkJan 19 19:01
FurnaceBoycubezzz: OpenWindowsJan 19 19:02
cubezzzit was a long time agoJan 19 19:02
FurnaceBoycubezzz: and SunViewJan 19 19:02
FurnaceBoycubezzz: late versions used Display PostScript.Jan 19 19:02
FurnaceBoycubezzz: sexyJan 19 19:02
cubezzzso what kind of speed do you get on Sun4?Jan 19 19:02
FurnaceBoycubezzz: actually sorry, they used NeWSJan 19 19:02
FurnaceBoycubezzz: NEXTSTEP used Display PostScriptJan 19 19:02
FurnaceBoycubezzz: whatever you get from 20MHz RISC... Jan 19 19:03
cubezzzyou can add a Next Cube to your collection :)Jan 19 19:03
cubezzzwow, 20 mhzJan 19 19:03
FurnaceBoycubezzz: have one right hereJan 19 19:03
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/18/google_club_of_chrome/Jan 19 19:03
phIRCe-localTitle: Google's Creepy Club of Chrome • The Register .::. Size~: 26.33 KBJan 19 19:03
cubezzzok, add a zaurus thenJan 19 19:03
cubezzzthey're nice and smallJan 19 19:04
cubezzzcan you do internet stuff on the sun4?Jan 19 19:05
FurnaceBoyyesJan 19 19:05
cubezzzcoolJan 19 19:05
FurnaceBoyi used it as a gateway and web development serverJan 19 19:05
FurnaceBoycubezzz: but that's the first gen SPARC. there are much more modern ones you can get hold of now.Jan 19 19:05
cubezzzwhat about a browser though?Jan 19 19:06
FurnaceBoyI got a Quad CPU 64-bit E450 for freeJan 19 19:06
FurnaceBoy3GB RAMJan 19 19:06
FurnaceBoycubezzz: well, don't expect much from an SS1.Jan 19 19:06
FurnaceBoycubezzz: but on a modern SPARC you can run OpenSolaris with any modern browser etcJan 19 19:06
cubezzzwell my Amiga 500 was like 7 mhz :)Jan 19 19:07
FurnaceBoywhat do you use daily now?Jan 19 19:07
FurnaceBoycubezzz: the SS1 used SBUS frame buffers and proprietary monitors - high res monochrome, etc.Jan 19 19:07
cubezzzwell actually I have a panasonic toughbook and an old dual p3 550Jan 19 19:08
cubezzzand the zaurus Jan 19 19:08
FurnaceBoycubezzz: so it doesn't put out VGA or anything like that. and you need 50 pin SCSI disks.Jan 19 19:08
cubezzzwhat about the power supply? Is it still the original supply?Jan 19 19:08
FurnaceBoyyes. Jan 19 19:08
cubezzzimpressiveJan 19 19:08
FurnaceBoythey're pretty small. pizza box.Jan 19 19:08
cubezzzthey must make PC power supplies pretty cheap, I'm on my 4th power supply on this boxJan 19 19:09
cubezzzit's 1998 thoughJan 19 19:09
FurnaceBoyickJan 19 19:09
cubezzzso about 12 years oldJan 19 19:09
FurnaceBoyyeah the workstations often used good quality Astec supplies.Jan 19 19:09
FurnaceBoyi have an 1992 HP PA-RISC here that was $37,000 new.Jan 19 19:10
FurnaceBoyso you don't put shitty pc psus in thatJan 19 19:10
cubezzzno :)Jan 19 19:10
FurnaceBoylike putting bicycle brakes on a ferrari.Jan 19 19:10
cubezzzI heard that Sun's hardware was pretty goodJan 19 19:10
FurnaceBoyyes.Jan 19 19:10
FurnaceBoystill is superb.Jan 19 19:10
cubezzzbut do they still make new hardware?Jan 19 19:10
FurnaceBoythey had a renaissance in the past few years -- adopted AMD and x86_64Jan 19 19:10
FurnaceBoyand new generations of highly threaded SPARC.Jan 19 19:11
FurnaceBoyup to 64/128 threads on one chipJan 19 19:11
FurnaceBoyyes.Jan 19 19:11
FurnaceBoythey make kickass hardware.Jan 19 19:11
FurnaceBoyfor storage and computeJan 19 19:11
cubezzzthe oldest hardware I still have that works is Intel 8085 basedJan 19 19:11
cubezzz1983Jan 19 19:12
DaemonFCyeah, X86-64 has a lot of new security featuresJan 19 19:19
DaemonFCLinux was using them right off in 2005Jan 19 19:19
DaemonFCand Windows has just now caught upJan 19 19:19
DaemonFCyou noticed that in Microsoft's infection rate stats, that the x64 editions of Windows have less malware infectionsJan 19 19:20
DaemonFCby at least 10%Jan 19 19:20
FurnaceBoythat makes sense.Jan 19 19:20
FurnaceBoymany binary exploits stop working simply due to new archJan 19 19:20
DaemonFCit's not the end of all malware, but it obviously makes it a little harderJan 19 19:21
schestowitzNot muchJan 19 19:21
FurnaceBoyright, most target only the dominant platform.Jan 19 19:21
FurnaceBoysimple cost/benefitJan 19 19:21
schestowitzIt's just moving goalpostJan 19 19:21
schestowitzIn principle, the code is the sameJan 19 19:21
cubezzzif you had a unique cpu malware would be impossible :)Jan 19 19:21
*schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjCIRLwkl3k&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=9A701D54E8896D0EJan 19 19:21
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube- Integrative Biology 131 - Lecture 02:  Skeletal System .::. Size~: 149.93 KBJan 19 19:21
FurnaceBoyporting is pure cost; i know, i support many platforms...Jan 19 19:21
cubezzzporting is funJan 19 19:21
schestowitzcubezzz: distribution of s/w alsoJan 19 19:21
DaemonFCwell, obviously it wiped out all 16-bit viruses *grin*Jan 19 19:21
FurnaceBoycubezzz: learn Verilog :)Jan 19 19:22
schestowitzBut.....Jan 19 19:22
FurnaceBoycubezzz: porting improves software qualityJan 19 19:22
schestowitzWhat if we compiled all software with secret keys?Jan 19 19:22
schestowitzBad for curation purposes, but maybe good for some high security thingsJan 19 19:22
cubezzzwith your own unique cpu and unique OS written my you, hackers will be a thing of the past :)Jan 19 19:22
schestowitzcubezzz: crackers?Jan 19 19:23
schestowitzIt would be good for hackersJan 19 19:23
FurnaceBoycubezzz: big effort. just don't use windowsJan 19 19:23
cubezzzright, crackers would be a thing of the pastJan 19 19:23
schestowitzAs long as they have the source code on the local machineJan 19 19:23
schestowitzThe obscurity becomes the hardware, not the source doeeJan 19 19:23
schestowitz*codeJan 19 19:23
cubezzzsome bad ass on the net told me "I've _never_ used windows"Jan 19 19:24
DaemonFCheh, it's snowing all the old geezers in, in the most conservative towns in MassachusettsJan 19 19:24
DaemonFCheheheJan 19 19:24
cubezzzI had to bow with deep respectJan 19 19:24
schestowitzcubezzz: ATMs in Usia run Windows XP a lotJan 19 19:24
schestowitzThey used to run OS/2Jan 19 19:24
FurnaceBoyrightJan 19 19:24
DaemonFCschestowitz: My bank ATMs run on SolarisJan 19 19:24
FurnaceBoyrace to the bottomJan 19 19:24
DaemonFCbelieve it or notJan 19 19:24
cubezzzand do they get BSODs? :)Jan 19 19:24
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: VOTING MACHINESJan 19 19:24
schestowitzHehJan 19 19:24
FurnaceBoycubezzz: yes.Jan 19 19:24
schestowitzThat's jus stuff you clickJan 19 19:24
DaemonFCand they have anti-skimming devices built inJan 19 19:24
schestowitzPlaceboJan 19 19:25
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Click'n'Compromise.Jan 19 19:25
schestowitzLike pinballJan 19 19:25
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: there's an app for that.Jan 19 19:25
schestowitzThe elections are fixed anywayJan 19 19:25
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: of course.Jan 19 19:25
schestowitzBush & Gang make some phonecalls and *MAGIC*Jan 19 19:25
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: corruption in layersJan 19 19:25
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: you need a fallback.Jan 19 19:25
cubezzz"Diebold generously donated it" :)Jan 19 19:25
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: the ultimate fallback, the Supreme Court, if needed.Jan 19 19:25
cubezzzwhat is Usia though?Jan 19 19:26
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBrDzZCOQtIJan 19 19:26
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube- Diebold Accidentally Leaks Results Of 08 Election .::. Size~: 155.68 KBJan 19 19:26
FurnaceBoyhttp://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0828-08.htmJan 19 19:26
phIRCe-localTitle: Diebold Voting Machine Owner Committed To Give Votes To Bush in 2004 .::. Size~: 13.67 KBJan 19 19:26
schestowitzcubezzz: the nation of the Usaian peopleJan 19 19:26
schestowitzWe're the Eurasian peopleJan 19 19:26
schestowitzThe Asian people are winning the global though ATMJan 19 19:26
cubezzzEurasian I've heard beforeJan 19 19:26
schestowitzHow do I saw US citizen shortly?Jan 19 19:27
schestowitzU S Ci Ti ZenJan 19 19:27
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: WallJan 19 19:27
schestowitz5 vowels..Jan 19 19:27
schestowitzWT*?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBrDzZCOQtIJan 19 19:28
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube- Diebold Accidentally Leaks Results Of 08 Election .::. Size~: 155.9 KBJan 19 19:28
schestowitzNew releaseJan 19 19:28
schestowitzWatch the designJan 19 19:28
schestowitzhttp://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=brlixJan 19 19:28
phIRCe-localTitle: DistroWatch.com: BRLix GNU/Linux .::. Size~: 60.52 KBJan 19 19:28
schestowitzWatch the screenshotJan 19 19:28
schestowitzVista 7????Jan 19 19:28
schestowitzhttp://www.brlix.org/site/Jan 19 19:29
schestowitzFamelixJan 19 19:29
schestowitzVERY poopular in BrazilJan 19 19:29
schestowitz*popularJan 19 19:29
FurnaceBoynowhere near as popular as Windows.Jan 19 19:29
FurnaceBoyhow DID Windows get a hold of BRIC?Jan 19 19:29
FurnaceBoythey're all educated, smart countries.Jan 19 19:30
FurnaceBoyhow tf did they get so brainwashed?Jan 19 19:30
schestowitzCàtix 1.5 is out too.. KDE4Jan 19 19:30
FurnaceBoythe Windows cult is really bad in RussiaJan 19 19:30
schestowitzWow. I love this!Jan 19 19:30
FurnaceBoyand most brazilians never heard of anythign else.Jan 19 19:30
schestowitzKDE4 makes GNU/Linux everyone look so modern at onceJan 19 19:30
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: not trueJan 19 19:31
*FurnaceBoy should try to get compiz going now he has radeon driver doing driJan 19 19:31
cubezzzI think it happened because Unix was so expensive at one pointJan 19 19:31
schestowitzGNU/Linux is big in BrazilJan 19 19:31
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: that's what i've observed there.Jan 19 19:31
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: not in the mainstream.Jan 19 19:31
schestowitzAbout 10% actual market shareJan 19 19:31
schestowitzMaybe 40% or 70% preinstaleldJan 19 19:31
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: business is windows.Jan 19 19:31
schestowitzCan;'t recall exactly the #sJan 19 19:31
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: the geek community picks up linux, i guess.Jan 19 19:31
cubezzzwhich country would you say uses GNU/Linux the most?Jan 19 19:31
FurnaceBoycubezzz: EastasiaJan 19 19:31
schestowitzBrazilJan 19 19:31
schestowitzOr other South American nationsJan 19 19:32
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: probably, but seriously windows still dominates business and homeJan 19 19:32
schestowitzDefinitely Brazil is likelyJan 19 19:32
schestowitzFinland not as muchJan 19 19:32
schestowitzFindland uses a lot of Firefox thoughJan 19 19:32
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: there is a good brazilian hacker/geek community thoughJan 19 19:32
schestowitzThen there are former parts of USSRJan 19 19:32
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Russia is windows-centricJan 19 19:32
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: to a faultJan 19 19:32
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it's cult-likeJan 19 19:33
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: they lose gripJan 19 19:33
schestowitzNo profitJan 19 19:33
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yes i know, just describing the status quoJan 19 19:33
cubezzzI would have thought Russia wouldn't want to give money to the USAJan 19 19:33
schestowitz$0 WIndows or kickback is us winningJan 19 19:33
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: look at MS response to Red FlahJan 19 19:33
FurnaceBoyFlag*Jan 19 19:33
schestowitzWindows revenue already down 40% globallyJan 19 19:33
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: they're HAPPY to give it away to retain mindshareJan 19 19:33
schestowitzThe beast is starvingJan 19 19:33
FurnaceBoyhope so.Jan 19 19:33
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: that's why i predict an implosion soonJan 19 19:33
schestowitzXbox and other things burn the rest of the moneyJan 19 19:33
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: insider blogs paint a desperate picture of inside MSJan 19 19:33
schestowitzI knowJan 19 19:34
schestowitzI see many Indian employeesJan 19 19:34
schestowitzThey too despairJan 19 19:34
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it's starving, shaking itself to bits... the mastermind has gone Jan 19 19:34
schestowitzThe MD of MS India quitJan 19 19:34
schestowitzAnd the whole of AsiaJan 19 19:34
FurnaceBoyoh, yeah, thats really ugly :)Jan 19 19:34
FurnaceBoybut what do they expectJan 19 19:34
schestowitzPhilippines, Malaysia, China..,you name itJan 19 19:34
FurnaceBoyset a thief to catch a thiefJan 19 19:34
schestowitzThey are quitting massivelyJan 19 19:34
schestowitzYoon Kit told me so tooJan 19 19:34
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: there's moreJan 19 19:35
schestowitz[19:34] <FurnaceBoy> oh, yeah, thats really ugly :)Jan 19 19:35
schestowitzYou heard of the scadals?Jan 19 19:35
schestowitzCorrutption at the topJan 19 19:35
schestowitzI wrote about in BNJan 19 19:35
schestowitzMaybe forced to resign in shameJan 19 19:35
schestowitzLike NixonJan 19 19:35
schestowitzhttp://www.catix.cat/Jan 19 19:35
phIRCe-localTitle: Càtix .::. Size~: 22.05 KBJan 19 19:35
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yesJan 19 19:36
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: MS INdia sounds like a cesspoolJan 19 19:36
schestowitzPardus puts the mnu att he top.... http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=pardusJan 19 19:36
phIRCe-localTitle: DistroWatch.com: Pardus Linux .::. Size~: 69.66 KBJan 19 19:36
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: it's notJan 19 19:36
schestowitzThey hire thereJan 19 19:36
schestowitzMicrosoft is expanding in India and fired just 1%Jan 19 19:36
schestowitzTHAT'S WHERE VISTA WAS BUILTJan 19 19:36
schestowitzYou know how THAT ended upJan 19 19:36
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: i meant the corruptionJan 19 19:37
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: at the topJan 19 19:37
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it sounded really nasty, but just what one would expect.Jan 19 19:37
FurnaceBoywe might as well be reading about Mafia reorgs Jan 19 19:37
cubezzzbing bong the witch is dead ;)Jan 19 19:39
schestowitzhttp://fixunix.com/linux/356011-news-rival-leak-microsoft-broke-windows-vista-then-rushed-out-door.htmlJan 19 19:39
phIRCe-localTitle:  [News] [Rival] Leak: Microsoft 'Broke' Windows Vista, Then Rushed it Out the Door - Unix Linux Forum - Fixunix.com .::. Size~: 46.56 KBJan 19 19:39
cubezzzthe wicked witch of the westJan 19 19:39
schestowitzRice?Jan 19 19:40
cubezzzthe next 10 years will be very interestingJan 19 19:40
cubezzzschestowitz, west as in RedmondJan 19 19:40
schestowitzhttp://originaldo.com/condoleezza-rice-wizard-oz.jpgJan 19 19:40
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cubezzzI liked the 1939 movie actually :)Jan 19 19:41
schestowitzSHe used to have a tanker named after herJan 19 19:41
schestowitzShe's a Big Oil execJan 19 19:41
schestowitzChevron IIRCJan 19 19:41
schestowitzThe Oil Cabinet{Tm} :-) :-)Jan 19 19:41
schestowitzThe Oil Party was in power for 8 yearsJan 19 19:41
FurnaceBoyughJan 19 19:42
schestowitzMade a bundle, put the US in another 8 tr in debtJan 19 19:42
FurnaceBoywhat a despicable, repellent womanJan 19 19:42
schestowitzLet me show you a vid...Jan 19 19:42
FurnaceBoyoh please noJan 19 19:42
tessierThere is a big election happening in Massachusetts today which may determine what party gets a key senate seat which will determine whether the healthcare bill has a chance.Jan 19 19:42
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijEED_iviTAJan 19 19:42
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube- Condoleezza Rice meets with some students .::. Size~: 135.36 KBJan 19 19:42
schestowitzShe Groks "Redition"Jan 19 19:43
schestowitz*RenditionJan 19 19:43
schestowitzInterrogation :-)Jan 19 19:43
*FurnaceBoy resists advocating violence against her personJan 19 19:44
tessierhttp://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=37;t=001037;p=1Jan 19 19:44
phIRCe-localTitle: snopes.com:  Oil tanker named "Condoleeza Rice"  .::. Size~: 99.69 KBJan 19 19:44
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: no-one didJan 19 19:44
schestowitzCriticising her is OKJan 19 19:45
schestowitzI was never going beyong presenting a caseJan 19 19:45
schestowitzIMHO, there should be trialsJan 19 19:45
tessierhttp://www.historycommons.org/events-images/079_rice_tanker2050081722-8461.jpgJan 19 19:45
phIRCe-localTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KBJan 19 19:45
tessierI *think* that is original. Hard to know for sure though. Jan 19 19:45
tessierRenamed to Altair Voyage.rJan 19 19:45
schestowitztessier: "Later that year, the tanker was renamed the "Altair Voyager"."Jan 19 19:46
schestowitzAhhhh...Jan 19 19:46
schestowitzBut it's some professor who reiterated the fact in a bookJan 19 19:46
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: no, i mean, i would have, but i resisted.Jan 19 19:46
schestowitzSo I assumed he didn't get it wrongJan 19 19:46
schestowitzIt was a double-decker he saidJan 19 19:47
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: THERE SHOULD BE TRIALS.Jan 19 19:47
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: ======================   Jan 19 19:47
FurnaceBoyAbso-freaking-lutely.Jan 19 19:47
FurnaceBoyWhen did actual accountability under the law go out of fashion?Jan 19 19:47
FurnaceBoyNuremberg was a one shot?Jan 19 19:47
FurnaceBoywe can't move on until there is accountabilityJan 19 19:48
schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/MySQL-founder-asks-China-Russia-to-stop-Oracle-906906.htmlJan 19 19:48
phIRCe-localTitle: MySQL founder asks China, Russia to stop Oracle - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 31.35 KBJan 19 19:48
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: so vote KucinichJan 19 19:49
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yeah i've made a few posts about Mr WideniusJan 19 19:49
schestowitzThere's no such ballot, I knowJan 19 19:49
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I can't even vote where i live, let alone the USA :)Jan 19 19:49
schestowitzHe's not eligible, not groomed by owners of the governmentJan 19 19:49
schestowitzDaemonFC went door to door advocating ObamaJan 19 19:50
schestowitzHe spread the Brand Obame LuvJan 19 19:50
schestowitz*ObamaJan 19 19:50
FurnaceBoywowJan 19 19:51
FurnaceBoynot bad for a cynicJan 19 19:51
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/GNOME-3.0-Fear-NotJan 19 19:51
FurnaceBoyi bet he feels stupid nowJan 19 19:51
phIRCe-localTitle: GNOME 3.0: Fear Not! - Linux Magazine Online  .::. Size~: 29.27 KBJan 19 19:51
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: betrayedJan 19 19:51
schestowitzNow he's angry at ObamaJan 19 19:51
FurnaceBoyno shitJan 19 19:51
schestowitzThat's why I don't advocate fopr brand of big corproations like IBMJan 19 19:51
DaemonFCeveryone does something stupid in their lifeJan 19 19:51
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: :)Jan 19 19:52
DaemonFCI'm on a quest to outdo myself year by yearJan 19 19:52
schestowitzTHey are obliged to shareholders, not supporters like the ones Apple and Sony try to summonJan 19 19:52
schestowitzIt's a cult thigngJan 19 19:52
schestowitzGood marketing companies that behave like makers manage to make real grassroots fanbaseJan 19 19:52
DaemonFCI keep a little camera on myself all year long, splice together a bloopers reel, and spend all of New Years Eve until I pass out alone and watching thatJan 19 19:53
DaemonFC:DJan 19 19:53
DaemonFCright before I die I'm going to try to trim that down to no longer than 6-8 hoursJan 19 19:53
DaemonFCand leave it to be shown at my funeralJan 19 19:53
FurnaceBoywhat about bloopers you make outside the house?Jan 19 19:54
DaemonFCthen I'm going to have them hollow out my corpseJan 19 19:54
FurnaceBoyyou need to live in the UKJan 19 19:54
DaemonFCstuff it with popcorn kernelsJan 19 19:54
FurnaceBoythen you can get 100% coverageJan 19 19:54
DaemonFCand cremate meJan 19 19:54
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: no, thanksJan 19 19:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Doctor called, told me to come in, has signed me off till Monday and given me steroids.Jan 19 19:55
schestowitzFirst he need to dump the gun in a lakeJan 19 19:55
schestowitzDang! http://www.wine-reviews.net/wine-reviews/news/canonical-to-bundle-codeweavers-crossover.htmlJan 19 19:55
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy: I get free healthcare, I just don't pay the billJan 19 19:55
schestowitzYou get phone bullyingJan 19 19:55
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: funnily enough.. you probably *can* get free care in prison.Jan 19 19:56
DaemonFCyeah, my dad said they were going to have him do some treadmill test and put him on beta blockersJan 19 19:56
schestowitzHere I can go to the practioner, get the examination and get along OKJan 19 19:56
DaemonFCI told him to be glad he has insurance, or he'd have to wait until he was having the heart attack, cal 911, get sent to the ER, be given two aspirins and a bill for $6,000Jan 19 19:56
DaemonFC:)Jan 19 19:56
schestowitz*practitionerJan 19 19:57
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: ER cost here, uninsured, is ~$300Jan 19 19:57
schestowitzErrrrr....Jan 19 19:57
FurnaceBoyi know, i've paid it.Jan 19 19:57
schestowitzThat's what you say when you wake up in ERJan 19 19:57
DaemonFCthey charged me in a lot of pieces, but it came out to be $8,000-ish Jan 19 19:57
schestowitz"Oh uh!! How much is *that* gonna cost me now*Jan 19 19:58
schestowitz"Doctor! Put me back to sleep!!"Jan 19 19:58
MinceRlolJan 19 19:58
DaemonFCfor a CT scan and an IV of dilantin and ativan Jan 19 19:58
DaemonFCwoohoo, go me!Jan 19 19:58
cubezzzwow, what a ..... dealJan 19 19:58
schestowitzDaemonFC: I got a free CTJan 19 19:58
schestowitzBecause of workJan 19 19:58
DaemonFCcubezzz: How much of that $8,000 did I pay?Jan 19 19:59
schestowitzJust don't go into PET... cancerousJan 19 19:59
DaemonFCthey threatened to sue me, I told them to bring it onJan 19 19:59
DaemonFCtold them that I don't have anything they can legally levy, garnish, or seizeJan 19 19:59
DaemonFCso I don't careJan 19 19:59
DaemonFCthat was the last I heard of themJan 19 20:00
schestowitzUS medicare sounds 'fan'Jan 19 20:00
schestowitzIn some countries they help, in others they extort and threaten to sueJan 19 20:01
DaemonFCschestowitz: I got my Medicare card, I just can't use it until MayJan 19 20:01
schestowitzThey say it's overencumbered with bureaucracy...Jan 19 20:01
schestowitzThey need more doctors, less lawyers and PAs making phonecalls like thatJan 19 20:01
DaemonFCschestowitz: First they starve you for 6-12 months to "make sure you really need help"Jan 19 20:02
schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/open/features/Health-Check-Moonlight-904464.htmlJan 19 20:02
phIRCe-localTitle: Health Check: Moonlight - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 33.54 KBJan 19 20:02
DaemonFCthen they make you wait 2 more years to get Medicare "just to make sure you need it"Jan 19 20:02
schestowitzHalth Check....Jan 19 20:02
DaemonFC"Go live under a bridge while we process your paperwork"Jan 19 20:03
DaemonFC"Shouldn't take more than a year or two"Jan 19 20:03
schestowitzAsk for pardonJan 19 20:03
schestowitzThey could pay Obama $20 millionJan 19 20:03
schestowitzSure they can afford to actually spend the money on a patient, not some party balloons and pamphlets with "Hope"Jan 19 20:04
DaemonFCschestowitz: My advice to anyone waiting on Social Security who can't live with family for a whileJan 19 20:04
DaemonFCgo commit a crime so you can live in jail for a yearJan 19 20:04
DaemonFCthey have beds and hot meals and healthcare and everythingJan 19 20:05
DaemonFCyeah, prisoners do get free healthcare FurnaceBoy Jan 19 20:05
DaemonFCsome of them are even on $1200 a month worth of AIDS medicineJan 19 20:06
DaemonFCstate pays for all of itJan 19 20:06
DaemonFCyou have a seizure in your home, $8,000 hospital billJan 19 20:06
DaemonFCWho said the world was fair?Jan 19 20:07
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: this is USA, not the worldJan 19 20:07
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: common mistakeJan 19 20:08
DaemonFCI hate doctors anyway, if you're lucky you might not get the  middle eastern doctors that don't speak English and wear a turban and don't give a shit what's wrong with youJan 19 20:08
DaemonFC:DJan 19 20:08
MinceRFurnaceBoy: usians don't know the differenceJan 19 20:08
schestowitzDaemonFC: do something fun if you want jail.... like hug a copJan 19 20:08
FurnaceBoyactually health care in India is excellent, and cheap.Jan 19 20:09
schestowitzThey call it "an assault", at least hereJan 19 20:09
FurnaceBoyUSA is #40 on WHO list.Jan 19 20:09
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy: They still have doctors in India?Jan 19 20:09
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: very good ones.Jan 19 20:09
DaemonFCI thought they were all here alreadyJan 19 20:09
schestowitzWHO? Who?!?!Jan 19 20:10
DaemonFClike my family doctor, the useless sack of shit that I'm not going back to againJan 19 20:10
DaemonFC:DJan 19 20:10
DaemonFCor his wife, the other useless sack of shit in that officeJan 19 20:10
schestowitzDaemonFC: I tell you..... go hugs copsJan 19 20:10
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: the ones who were successfully lobbied about swine flu :/Jan 19 20:10
schestowitzHugs them... they'll lock you up and give you healthcare for free ;-)Jan 19 20:10
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: free Taser shotJan 19 20:10
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy: You know they have to taser each other first rightJan 19 20:11
DaemonFC:)Jan 19 20:11
DaemonFCyou get hit by some of those and your nuts will go AWOL for a few weeksJan 19 20:12
DaemonFC:PJan 19 20:12
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: yes I heard. not everywhere though.Jan 19 20:12
schestowitzhttp://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2010/01/12/police_fight_cellphone_recordings/Jan 19 20:12
phIRCe-localTitle: Police fight cellphone recordings - The Boston Globe .::. Size~: 44.97 KBJan 19 20:12
schestowitz"Simon Glik, a lawyer, was walking down Tremont Street in Boston when he saw three police officers struggling to extract a plastic bag from a teenager’s mouth. Thinking their force seemed excessive for a drug arrest, Glik pulled out his cellphone and began recording."Jan 19 20:12
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: or you die. happens regularly.Jan 19 20:12
Diablo-D3DaemonFC is dying?!Jan 19 20:12
DaemonFCdon't do stupid shit to provoke themJan 19 20:12
Diablo-D3AWESOME! \o/Jan 19 20:12
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: uh, right.Jan 19 20:12
DaemonFCand you won't be tasered in the first placeJan 19 20:12
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: rubbish.Jan 19 20:12
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: quite a few children get taseredJan 19 20:13
Diablo-D3dude, can I sell tickets?Jan 19 20:13
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: and incapacitated peopleJan 19 20:13
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: and those already handcuffed or restrainedJan 19 20:13
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: etc, etc,Jan 19 20:13
DaemonFCthey only taser people who are physically threatening or are aggressively resisting arrestJan 19 20:13
Diablo-D3I think if I sold them for $100 each, roy would still buy the venue outJan 19 20:13
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: random taserings are quite frequent. you seem uninformed.Jan 19 20:13
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: that is complete bullshitJan 19 20:13
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g7zlJx9u2EJan 19 20:13
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube- UCLA Student Tasered by Police in Library .::. Size~: 122.21 KBJan 19 20:13
MinceR"don't tase me bro!"Jan 19 20:13
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you are astonishingly naiveJan 19 20:13
DaemonFCthat's what the criminal will tell the ACLU anywayJan 19 20:13
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: an 8 year old criminal?Jan 19 20:13
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: INFORM YOURSELF.Jan 19 20:14
DaemonFConly them and the police know what really happenedJan 19 20:14
Diablo-D3FurnaceBoy: MANJan 19 20:14
FurnaceBoyfor god's sake.Jan 19 20:14
Diablo-D3YOU GOTTA WATCH OUT FOR THOSE 8 YEAR OLDS MANJan 19 20:14
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: apparentlyJan 19 20:14
Diablo-D3THEY JACK YOUR SHIT UPJan 19 20:14
DaemonFCand I don't think I trust the crack dealers and bank robbersJan 19 20:14
MinceRDiablo-D3: yeah, especially when they STEAL INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY!Jan 19 20:14
MinceRthat's a worse crime than murder!Jan 19 20:14
Diablo-D3AND THEY DO A LINE A BLOW OFF THEIR MOMMA'S CUNT LIKE IT WAS NOTHINJan 19 20:14
MinceR(at least in the usa)Jan 19 20:14
DaemonFCMinceR: I steal intellectual property and throw it all in my get away vanJan 19 20:14
DaemonFCB-)Jan 19 20:14
DaemonFCI'm badassJan 19 20:14
MinceRyou bad manJan 19 20:15
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC do you mean BRAINZJan 19 20:15
*FurnaceBoy goes to have a coffee with brainssssssssssssJan 19 20:15
MinceRewJan 19 20:15
Diablo-D3BRAAINNNS OM NOM NOMJan 19 20:15
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: leave my brainsssss or i'll taser you Jan 19 20:15
Diablo-D3tastes just like chicken!Jan 19 20:15
Diablo-D3FurnaceBoy: dont tase me bro!Jan 19 20:15
*FurnaceBoy was just somehow meme-zappedJan 19 20:15
Diablo-D3wait MinceR already made that jokeJan 19 20:15
FurnaceBoyowowowowowowJan 19 20:15
MinceR:>Jan 19 20:15
FurnaceBoybackfire!Jan 19 20:16
FurnaceBoywell on this note. gotta work for The ManJan 19 20:16
*FurnaceBoy (n=FurnaceB@bas1-toronto10-1279398804.dsl.bell.ca) has left #boycottnovell ("WeeChat 0.2.6.1")Jan 19 20:16
Diablo-D3you know what the problem with stickin it to the man is?Jan 19 20:16
Diablo-D3eventually you become the man.Jan 19 20:16
cubezzzwell that's better than not being the man :-0Jan 19 20:17
DaemonFCpissing on national monuments and listening to NOFX will not overturn the systemJan 19 20:17
DaemonFChate to inform you all of thisJan 19 20:17
schestowitzChina and Iceland got aid to Haiti fast, while the US couldn't get its act together. I am sure the US slowness was not an intentional goal. " http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-nov-feb.html#19%20January%202010%20%28Disaster%20in%20Haiti%29"Jan 19 20:17
MinceRif you can overcome your bad conditioning, you can become a better The ManJan 19 20:18
DaemonFCthey get paid to sing "Fuck the system" to youJan 19 20:18
DaemonFCthe consumerJan 19 20:18
DaemonFCwho buys their CDsJan 19 20:18
DaemonFC:DJan 19 20:18
DaemonFCwith your filthy capitalist moneyJan 19 20:19
cubezzzwe all know what happened at the end of The Cincinnati KidJan 19 20:19
MinceRno online purchase directly from the authors?Jan 19 20:19
DaemonFCMinceR: Buying it would still undermine the causeJan 19 20:19
MinceRdepends on what "the cause" isJan 19 20:19
DaemonFCpeople should stop paying these bands that claim to want to bring down the systemJan 19 20:19
DaemonFCthey really shouldJan 19 20:20
DaemonFCthese bands make a living off the same system everyone else doesJan 19 20:20
DaemonFCthey give you a service or product, and you pay them with moneyJan 19 20:20
MinceRnobody makes a living off the system except those controlling itJan 19 20:20
MinceRpoliticians and megacorps mostlyJan 19 20:20
MinceRand maybe those who live off benefitsJan 19 20:20
MinceR(but they get a lot less out of it)Jan 19 20:21
DaemonFChttp://news.cnet.com/8301-30684_3-10437137-265.htmlJan 19 20:21
phIRCe-localTitle: Microsoft cuts Bing IP address storage to 6 months | Relevant Results - CNET News .::. Size~: 69.21 KBJan 19 20:21
MinceRif only they were trustworthy and their search didn't suck ass...Jan 19 20:23
schestowitzhttp://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161583443Jan 19 20:23
MinceR(not to mention their ignorance of robots.txt and pointless hammering of static pages)Jan 19 20:23
schestowitz"THE CARIBBEAN Community’s emergency aid mission to Haiti, comprising Heads of Government and leading technical officials, failed to secure permission Friday to land at that devasted country’s aiport, now under the control of the United States." OWNEDJan 19 20:24
schestowitzDaemonFC: MS Bong PRJan 19 20:24
schestowitzIgnore the BSJan 19 20:24
schestowitzIt's a PR attack on GOogleJan 19 20:24
schestowitzThey have done this card game for yearsJan 19 20:24
schestowitzThey can't defeat GoogleJan 19 20:24
MinceRwell, it's perhaps one thing they do better than google does (not necessarily to a significant extent)Jan 19 20:25
schestowitzSo they try to break Google's algoJan 19 20:25
schestowitzBong with the 3% market share tells Google how to operateJan 19 20:25
MinceRthey can't defeat google until they come up with a service that works at least nearly so well as google's doesJan 19 20:25
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/17/no-room-cemetery-haitiJan 19 20:26
phIRCe-localTitle: No room in the cemetery for Haiti dead |World news |The Guardian .::. Size~: 87.26 KBJan 19 20:27
schestowitzIt's good news the the Big Boss is now in control of the airports with the militaryJan 19 20:27
schestowitzI don't understand thisJan 19 20:27
schestowitzBut RMS has watched Haiti for like decadesJan 19 20:27
schestowitzHe has been writing about it many times in recent months, criticising the US policies used to destory itJan 19 20:28
schestowitz*crush it ratherJan 19 20:28
schestowitzhttp://horseedmedia.net/2010/01/kenya-fishermen-see-upside-to-pirates-more-fish/Jan 19 20:28
phIRCe-localTitle:   Kenya fishermen see upside to pirates: more fish  | Horseed Media | Breaking News | Business| Entertainment .::. Size~: 39.76 KBJan 19 20:28
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2010/jan/17/terrorism-airport-security-westJan 19 20:29
phIRCe-localTitle: A fearful lack of proportion | Peter Preston |Comment is free |The Guardian .::. Size~: 196.39 KBJan 19 20:29
trmancohahaJan 19 20:30
trmancoproject pinky?Jan 19 20:30
trmancoomgJan 19 20:30
trmancohttp://mashable.com/2010/01/19/windows-mobile-7-rumors/Jan 19 20:30
phIRCe-localTitle: Project Pink: Microsoft's Answer to Nexus One? .::. Size~: 71.73 KBJan 19 20:30
trmancoit's going to be just another failure, like zuneJan 19 20:31
schestowitz> Hi, Roy,Jan 19 20:33
schestowitz> Jan 19 20:33
schestowitz> Here is a poll on Gimp at Ubuntu forums which might only be forJan 19 20:33
schestowitz> entertainment:Jan 19 20:33
schestowitz> Jan 19 20:33
schestowitz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1330937Jan 19 20:33
phIRCe-localTitle:  Bye Bye GIMP! - Ubuntu Forums .::. Size~: 93.22 KBJan 19 20:33
schestowitztrmanco: sheeshJan 19 20:34
schestowitzIIRC DaemonFC bought a ZuneJan 19 20:34
DaemonFCZune?Jan 19 20:34
schestowitzNo?Jan 19 20:34
schestowitzIt's easy to get oneJan 19 20:34
schestowitzJust walk outJan 19 20:34
schestowitzWatch out for things flying out the windowJan 19 20:35
DaemonFCI've had an ipodJan 19 20:35
DaemonFCI've had a lyraJan 19 20:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@symbolman poupon. it's just mustard, for god's sake.Jan 19 20:35
DaemonFCI've had a Samsung somethin or other, been too many yearsJan 19 20:35
DaemonFCand I now use a Sandisk Sansa FuzeJan 19 20:35
DaemonFCbut no, never a ZuneJan 19 20:35
DaemonFCthe Zune was the worst selling thing in the electronics department when I was an overnight manager at WalmartJan 19 20:36
DaemonFCiPods sell very wellJan 19 20:36
DaemonFCthe various other brands sell alrightJan 19 20:37
DaemonFCyou *may* sell 1-2 Zune a weekJan 19 20:37
DaemonFCit's a joke, Microsoft is paying Walmart to mothball themJan 19 20:37
DaemonFC:DJan 19 20:37
DaemonFCschestowitz: Do they still make Zunes?Jan 19 20:43
schestowitzHeh.Jan 19 20:43
DaemonFCThey must have a major reliability problem cause there's never any shortage of refurbs for saleJan 19 20:43
schestowitzNot in the UKJan 19 20:43
schestowitzStill getting cancelledJan 19 20:43
schestowitzA colleague of me asked about it ages ago when it was newJan 19 20:44
schestowitzIt took a while also for ipods to arriveJan 19 20:44
schestowitzAround 2002Jan 19 20:44
schestowitzFor a reasonable priceJan 19 20:44
DaemonFCisn't the Zune Store selling normal MP3s now?Jan 19 20:44
DaemonFCnot crippled WMAJan 19 20:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] “BlackBerry games addict who couldn’t seem to keep his lunch off his tie.” // Grow up, Sarah. Or just shrivel up & die. Don't care which.Jan 19 20:45
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Ibase-MB950/?kc=rssJan 19 20:46
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schestowitzDaemonFC: store?Jan 19 20:46
schestowitzThey killed MSN MusicJan 19 20:46
schestowitzZune was not in the middle of iJan 19 20:46
schestowitzBut still affected in some wayJan 19 20:46
schestowitzI haven't kept good track of the DRM candy stores from MicrosoftJan 19 20:46
schestowitzIt's fragemented and weirdJan 19 20:46
schestowitzRemember NotSoSure(R)?Jan 19 20:47
DaemonFCschestowitz: $289.99 for a 32 GB Zune HDJan 19 20:47
DaemonFCtalk about a ripoffJan 19 20:47
schestowitzBut it has the Microsoft logo! :-)Jan 19 20:47
DaemonFCso it crashes too?Jan 19 20:47
DaemonFC:DJan 19 20:47
schestowitzYou could instead get the aptly-name "Danger"Jan 19 20:48
schestowitz*namedJan 19 20:48
schestowitzDaemonFC: don't know if it crashesJan 19 20:48
schestowitz!google zune play button defectJan 19 20:48
phIRCe-local[1] - Dual Alarm Clock Radio for your Zune | http://www.ihomeaudio.com/pdf/ZN9_IB62190_91.pdfJan 19 20:48
phIRCe-local[2] - iPhone Savior: Someone Spiked The Punch at The Zune Social | http://www.iphonesavior.com/2007/12/someone-spiked.htmlJan 19 20:48
phIRCe-local[3] - How to Remove Sony ARccOS Protection from DVD Using DVDSmith Movie ... | http://www.dvdsmith.com/remove-sony-arccos-protection.htmlJan 19 20:48
phIRCe-local[4] - Appearance: WNYC radio to debate iPod v. Zune | The Apple Core ... | http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/%3Fp%3D2624Jan 19 20:48
DaemonFConly on leap yearsJan 19 20:49
DaemonFC:PJan 19 20:49
schestowitzNoJan 19 20:50
schestowitzThere was a real errorJan 19 20:50
schestowitzLet me search properlyJan 19 20:51
schestowitzhttp://forums.zune.net/0/1/213249/PrintPost.aspxJan 19 20:51
phIRCe-localTitle: hold button doesn't work - Zune Forums .::. Size~: 13.57 KBJan 19 20:51
DaemonFCeverything I've seen says they've only got abotu 2% of the mp3 player marketJan 19 20:52
schestowitzhttp://www.zuneboards.com/forums/gen-2/16938-broken-zune-button.htmlJan 19 20:52
phIRCe-localTitle:  Broken Zune Button? - ZuneBoards .::. Size~: 93.54 KBJan 19 20:52
DaemonFCwhich is completely marginalJan 19 20:52
schestowitzIIRC it was a playback bugJan 19 20:52
schestowitzThey needed to issue a SOFTWARE patch around 2007Jan 19 20:52
schestowitzI wrote about it some times, can't find it againJan 19 20:52
schestowitzDaemonFC: in HPC they have 1%Jan 19 20:53
schestowitzAt least in TOP 500Jan 19 20:53
schestowitzANd in search 2-3%Jan 19 20:53
schestowitzDepending on the surveyJan 19 20:53
schestowitzAnd weighting schemeJan 19 20:53
schestowitzCoefficients and allJan 19 20:53
schestowitzMicrosoft Bong (they still call it MSNbot) spams sitesJan 19 20:53
schestowitzSo it needs filtering on REFERER [sic]Jan 19 20:54
DaemonFCit's not self-sufficient (the Zune division)Jan 19 20:54
DaemonFCmuch less making a profitJan 19 20:54
schestowitzHDJan 19 20:54
schestowitzHard DeathJan 19 20:54
schestowitzHarsh DefinitionJan 19 20:54
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DaemonFCMicrosoft likes to say how much share in the hard drive player market they haveJan 19 20:54
schestowitzHigh DestructionJan 19 20:54
schestowitzHole-DefeicitJan 19 20:54
schestowitz*ficitJan 19 20:54
DaemonFCeven though companies are not making many of those nowJan 19 20:54
schestowitzYeahJan 19 20:55
DaemonFCthat makes their numbers look 4-5 times biggerJan 19 20:55
schestowitz!goog,e Microsoft 'inventted' the ipodJan 19 20:55
schestowitz!googl;e Microsoft 'inventted' the ipodJan 19 20:55
schestowitz!google Microsoft 'inventted' the ipodJan 19 20:55
phIRCe-local[1] - MS Ipod Parody | http://video.google.com/videoplay%3Fdocid%3D36099539665548298Jan 19 20:55
phIRCe-local[2] - Microsoft Confirms it Originated iPod Box Parody Video | News ... | http://www.ipodobserver.com/ipo/article/Microsoft_Confirms_it_Originated_iPod_Box_Parody_Video/Jan 19 20:55
phIRCe-local[3] - Microsoft Invented the iPod? - Xbox | http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/8997/Microsoft-Invented-the-iPod/Jan 19 20:55
phIRCe-local[4] - iPod Repair, iPhone Repair, and Zune Repair | http://www.rapidrepair.com/Jan 19 20:55
schestowitzBasically, it's about patentsJan 19 20:55
schestowitzThey claim to have invented PMP....... with a HARD DRIVE!Jan 19 20:55
schestowitzNo SSD/flashJan 19 20:55
schestowitzCFJan 19 20:56
DaemonFCschestowitz: It would be like a car company telling everyone how much of the market for cars with carburetors they hold  Jan 19 20:56
schestowitzI used a CF player in 2000Jan 19 20:56
DaemonFC:DJan 19 20:56
schestowitzMy friend's dad claims to have invented Compact FlashJan 19 20:56
MinceRask m$ who invented the wheel and they'll say they didJan 19 20:56
MinceRask crApple who invented the wheel and they'll say they didJan 19 20:56
schestowitzI remember him telling us about it in the carJan 19 20:56
schestowitzMinceR: they invested the shadow in the DockJan 19 20:57
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schestowitz*ventedJan 19 20:57
FurnaceBoyacle the interface code so that they can use the same file  │Jan 19 20:57
FurnaceBoyoopsJan 19 20:57
MinceR:>Jan 19 20:58
schestowitzMore like implemented, BUT......Jan 19 20:58
schestowitzSun did it FIRSTJan 19 20:58
FurnaceBoyhttp://www.publiceye.ch/en/vote/Jan 19 20:58
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: ^^Jan 19 20:58
schestowitzScreenshots showed itJan 19 20:58
schestowitzIt's a Jobs ego applicatiopnJan 19 20:58
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: tempting,... so many good choicesJan 19 20:59
schestowitzHard to decide... unlike when the US primaries are on :-<Jan 19 20:59
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yeah weirdJan 19 20:59
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: ya just wanna vote for them allJan 19 21:00
schestowitzNeed JS to vcoteJan 19 21:00
schestowitz*voteJan 19 21:00
schestowitzhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_lucid_alpha2&num=1Jan 19 21:02
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Royal Bank of #Canada - major participant in deadly, catastrophic oil sands: http://www.publiceye.ch/en/nominations/royal-bank-canada/ #rbcJan 19 21:02
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-01-19-002-35-OP-DB-SW-0002Jan 19 21:02
phIRCe-localTitle: Public Eye Awards 2010 - ROYAL BANK OF CANADA .::. Size~: 9.15 KBJan 19 21:02
phIRCe-localTitle: Linux Today - Back Home, with Debian! .::. Size~: 71.68 KBJan 19 21:03
schestowitzhttp://royal.pingdom.com/2010/01/15/the-9-most-important-events-in-open-source-history/ RMS gets his due...Jan 19 21:03
phIRCe-localTitle: The 9 most important events in Open Source history | Royal Pingdom .::. Size~: 56.61 KBJan 19 21:03
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: what's your bank?Jan 19 21:03
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yesJan 19 21:07
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: i sense this is about to changeJan 19 21:07
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: :-(Jan 19 21:07
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: and I'll tell them whyJan 19 21:07
schestowitzOK. What's your acc. #? j/k Jan 19 21:07
FurnaceBoyLOLJan 19 21:08
schestowitzhttp://www.crn.com/software/222301154;jsessionid=XME2ANPVR3ISBQE1GHPCKHWATMY32JVN?cid=CRNFeedJan 19 21:08
phIRCe-localTitle: Analysis: Will Ubuntu Take Windows 7 In Speed War? - Software - IT Channel News by CRN .::. Size~: 89.43 KBJan 19 21:08
schestowitzhttp://itmanagement.earthweb.com/features/article.php/3859151/ I passed their questions.Jan 19 21:08
phIRCe-localTitle: Are There Enough Smart Developers for Google? &mdash; Datamation.com .::. Size~: 64.91 KBJan 19 21:08
schestowitz19/01/10 20:59. Translated to English it stated:Jan 19 21:10
schestowitz> Hi, Roy,Jan 19 21:10
schestowitz> Jan 19 21:10
schestowitz> Apache used to have a module called Microsoft-free Fridays which wouldJan 19 21:10
schestowitz> block Microsoft browsers all day on Fridays.  With the increase inJan 19 21:10
schestowitz> vulnerabilities of MSIE, all verions, maybe it is time to re-instateJan 19 21:10
schestowitz> that module and bring it up to date.  Sounds like a good Google SummerJan 19 21:10
FurnaceBoyThat's hilarious.Jan 19 21:10
schestowitz> of Code project to me.Jan 19 21:10
schestowitz> Jan 19 21:10
FurnaceBoyI could do that. My site is pretty busy.Jan 19 21:10
FurnaceBoyI'll get hate mailJan 19 21:10
schestowitz> http://tinfoilsoldier.com/blog/2005/08/02/mod_msff/Jan 19 21:10
schestowitz> http://www.ntk.net/2001/07/13/Jan 19 21:10
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FurnaceBoyI got hate mail when I put up a protest page last january during gaza attackJan 19 21:11
FurnaceBoylove them yanks! so ENGAGED politically!Jan 19 21:11
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: talk me into itJan 19 21:13
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: i had that Internet Exploder thing up there for yearsJan 19 21:13
schestowitzWhoa. http://features.cgsociety.org/story.php?story_id=5439Jan 19 21:16
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @mparent77772 At least 600,000 cribs recalled after child death http://bit.ly/5C2aFc // #boycott crap made in #China alreadyJan 19 21:16
phIRCe-localTitle: 635,000 Dorel Asia cribs recalled after death of six-month-old child from Iowa - NYPOST.com .::. Size~: 59.43 KBJan 19 21:16
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: hate mail from who?Jan 19 21:17
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: incensed americansJan 19 21:17
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: who else?Jan 19 21:17
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: that's what happens when you protest anything Israel does.Jan 19 21:17
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: i was all ready to do it again, with the recent air attacksJan 19 21:17
schestowitzIt's different in EuropeJan 19 21:17
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I am sure it is.Jan 19 21:17
schestowitzThe press is different, tooJan 19 21:17
schestowitzhttp://ptex.us/overview.htmlJan 19 21:18
phIRCe-localTitle: Ptex Overview .::. Size~: 3.17 KBJan 19 21:18
schestowitzhttp://github.com/wdas/ptex/Jan 19 21:18
phIRCe-localTitle: wdas's ptex at master - GitHub .::. Size~: 17.19 KBJan 19 21:18
schestowitzhttp://groups.google.com/group/ptexJan 19 21:18
phIRCe-localTitle:   ptex |  Google Groups   .::. Size~: 24.79 KBJan 19 21:18
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: how about this microsoft-free friday thing. good/bad/? talk me into itJan 19 21:19
schestowitzWhat hear is what you thinkJan 19 21:19
schestowitzWhat you eat is what you arJan 19 21:19
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: free in what sense?Jan 19 21:19
schestowitzIt's bad, I thinkJan 19 21:20
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: schestowitz | > Apache used to have a module called Microsoft-free Fridays which wouldJan 19 21:20
schestowitzIt gives them special treatmentJan 19 21:20
schestowitzNot good rapJan 19 21:20
schestowitzGetting referrals from Bong is OKJan 19 21:20
schestowitzI'd rather present BN content to the hardcore Microsoft fansJan 19 21:21
schestowitzSome Microsoft watchers read BNJan 19 21:21
schestowitzThey told meJan 19 21:21
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: right. i need to do more cross-promotionJan 19 21:21
schestowitzThey come there to know the stuff which the press releases hide from themJan 19 21:21
schestowitzIf I can convince Microsoft Watchers to turn from "Microsoft Nick" to a "Joe Wilcox" (critic), then the job is doneJan 19 21:22
schestowitzhttp://www.ghacks.net/2010/01/18/linux-command-line-tips/Jan 19 21:22
phIRCe-localTitle: Linux command line tips .::. Size~: 29.36 KBJan 19 21:22
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: how about  a popup for IE users that explains the problemJan 19 21:44
MinceRa warning strip should be enoughJan 19 21:50
MinceRlike the ones IE pops upJan 19 21:51
MinceRiirc there's at least one implementation of that for websites, specifically aimed at ieJan 19 21:51
FurnaceBoyMinceR: good ideaJan 19 21:53
FurnaceBoyMinceR: if you find a good looking one, ping meJan 19 21:53
MinceRhm, there's even one that optionally deliberately crashes ie6 :>  >> http://www.incerteza.org/blog/projetos/shockingly-big-ie6-warning/Jan 19 21:57
phIRCe-localTitle: Shockingly Big IE6 Warning (WP Plugin) | incerteza .::. Size~: 82.34 KBJan 19 21:57
FurnaceBoy:)Jan 19 22:01
FurnaceBoythat must be very hard...Jan 19 22:01
MinceRhere's another >> http://blog.hishamrana.com/2006/02/19/how-to-internet-explorer-warning-infobarJan 19 22:02
*FurnaceBoy looksJan 19 22:02
phIRCe-localTitle:   How-To: Internet Explorer Warning Infobar : Hishams Blog .::. Size~: 32.61 KBJan 19 22:02
FurnaceBoyhm, no, i hate that wording :)Jan 19 22:02
FurnaceBoymaybe i'll just hack something up with jqueryJan 19 22:02
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: already doneJan 19 22:07
schestowitzLoad up any BN page in IEJan 19 22:07
FurnaceBoyhm.Jan 19 22:07
FurnaceBoyi can't do that, DaveJan 19 22:07
schestowitzSo your pages don't have cruftJan 19 22:07
schestowitz[21:57] <MinceR> hm, there's even one that optionally deliberately crashes ie6 :>  >> http://www.incerteza.org/blog/projetos/shockingly-big-ie6-warning/Jan 19 22:07
phIRCe-localTitle: Shockingly Big IE6 Warning (WP Plugin) | incerteza .::. Size~: 82.34 KBJan 19 22:07
schestowitzNot "crashes"Jan 19 22:07
schestowitzEuhanisesJan 19 22:08
FurnaceBoylolJan 19 22:08
schestowitzGotta use euphemisms in case kids ask about the big beast "being put to sleep"Jan 19 22:08
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sebsebsebHiJan 19 22:11
schestowitz Pertroll http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=11891Jan 19 22:12
phIRCe-localTitle: We Want Protection, Google! | Tech Broiler | ZDNet.com .::. Size~: 155.29 KBJan 19 22:12
schestowitzsebsebseb: Jan 19 22:12
MinceRFurnaceBoy: you can easily change the wording :)Jan 19 22:13
schestowitzIT's just those images he usesJan 19 22:13
schestowitzThe content is OKJan 19 22:13
sebsebsebschestowitz: Jan 19 22:13
schestowitzhttp://www.ubuntu-user.com/Online/News/Open-Source-Helps-Earthquake-Victims-in-HaitiJan 19 22:13
phIRCe-localTitle: Open Source Helps Earthquake Victims in Haiti / News / Online / Home - Ubuntu User .::. Size~: 24.22 KBJan 19 22:13
schestowitzNice image: http://thenextweb.com/asia/2010/01/19/how-google-exit-from-china-affects-android/Jan 19 22:14
phIRCe-localTitle:  How Googles Exit From China Could Affect Android .::. Size~: 32.09 KBJan 19 22:14
schestowitzJournal (Murdoch) "community"....... http://online.wsj.com/community/groups/linux-unix-bsd---free-open-691/topics/open-source-educationJan 19 22:15
phIRCe-localTitle:   Wall Street Journal: Linux, Unix, BSD - Free and Open Source Software Open Source in Education   .::. Size~: 103.15 KBJan 19 22:15
schestowitzhttp://www.cutimes.com/Issues/2010/January-20-2010/Pages/Mobile.aspxJan 19 22:19
phIRCe-localTitle: Mobile Phishing Highlights Need for Greater Security .::. Size~: 52.98 KBJan 19 22:19
schestowitz"“I am a big supporter of open source, but with freedom comes responsibility. So there needs to be a mechanism for Android applications to be officially vetted and even certified for use in payments and banking so that mobile users can trust themÐtrust being an essential ingredient for mobile commerce to take off.”"Jan 19 22:19
schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/European-approval-for-Oracle-acquisition-of-Sun-expected-this-week-907816.html \o/Jan 19 22:20
phIRCe-localTitle: European approval for Oracle acquisition of Sun expected this week - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 31.35 KBJan 19 22:20
schestowitzMS Enderle ruins an article: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/354913/why-firefoxs-future-lies-in-googles-handsJan 19 22:24
phIRCe-localTitle: Why Firefox's future lies in Google's hands | News | PC Pro .::. Size~: 39.6 KBJan 19 22:24
schestowitzAttack on bothn Google and MozillaJan 19 22:24
schestowitzhttp://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20100119006595&newsLang=en "appointed Richard Seibt (57), CEO at Open Source Business Foundation (OSBF), as a new member of its supervisory board."Jan 19 22:26
phIRCe-localTitle: Cloud Computing Provider visionapp Appoints New Board Member | Business Wire .::. Size~: 60.6 KBJan 19 22:26
schestowitzWhat is  Open Source Business Foundation (OSBF)?Jan 19 22:26
schestowitzI think I heard about it ages agoJan 19 22:26
schestowitzMaybe just a site with some names on it..?Jan 19 22:26
schestowitzhttp://www.osbf.de/Jan 19 22:27
phIRCe-localTitle: Open Source Business Foundation .::. Size~: 35.69 KBJan 19 22:27
schestowitzMicrosoftJan 19 22:27
schestowitzhttp://www.osbf.de/en/node/1169Jan 19 22:27
phIRCe-localTitle: Microsoft ist neues Mitglied der Open Source Business Foundation | Open Source Business Foundation .::. Size~: 13.91 KBJan 19 22:27
schestowitzI wrote about this at the time... not I know for sureJan 19 22:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Home Office: UK borders database loss on time and on budget http://newstechnica.com/?p=1235Jan 19 22:28
phIRCe-localTitle: Home Office: UK borders database loss on time and on budget | NewsTechnica .::. Size~: 38.89 KBJan 19 22:28
FurnaceBoylolJan 19 22:28
FurnaceBoynice headlineJan 19 22:28
schestowitzhttp://www.gizmag.com/chinas-xp-themed-linux-now-available-in-english/13900/Jan 19 22:31
phIRCe-localTitle: China's XP-themed Linux now available in English .::. Size~: 42.95 KBJan 19 22:31
rnbjesus christ... the US military has taken over the only airport in haitiJan 19 22:31
rnband is TURNING AWAY supply planes?!?Jan 19 22:31
schestowitzYes, david is funny, FurnaceBoyJan 19 22:32
rnbwhat in the hellJan 19 22:32
schestowitzrnb: you saw the article?Jan 19 22:32
schestowitz"Haiti's principal political party, Lavalas, has been banned from the coming elections that will be run by the UN. Even if the mechanism of these elections is "fair", they are no more democratic than the Iranian elections in which the mullahs veto candidates." http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-nov-feb.html#20%20December%202009%20(UN%20doesn%27t%20want%20democracy%20in%20Haiti)Jan 19 22:33
schestowitzDec 20Jan 19 22:33
schestowitz"In Honduras and Haiti, the U.S. Rules by Proxy. " http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-nov-feb.html#4%20December%202009%20(US%20rules%20by%20proxy%20in%20Honduras%20and%20Haiti)Jan 19 22:34
schestowitzDec 4Jan 19 22:34
schestowitz"UN troops again shot people in Haiti." http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-nov-feb.html#23%20November%202009%20(UN%20troops%20spray%20crowd%20with%20gunfire)Jan 19 22:34
schestowitzNov 23rdJan 19 22:34
schestowitzhttp://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-nov-feb.html#19%20January%202010%20(Disaster%20in%20Haiti)Jan 19 22:34
schestowitz"China and Iceland got aid to Haiti fast, while the US couldn't get its act together. I am sure the US slowness was not an intentional goal. It stems from a sort of rigidity of thinking — for instance, the obsession with security in a zone where there is no enemy — which makes it hard to do any job right."Jan 19 22:35
schestowitz"They can't airdrop water lest people fight over it, but is it better if all die of thirst? If you drop enough water at one time in any one area, people there won't fight over it, they will drink it. Or they could drop a squad to hand out the water that was dropped."Jan 19 22:35
schestowitz"Meanwhile, why did the earthquake do so much damage? Because Haiti is too poor to build buildings that will stand up. That is due to two centuries of mistreatment by France and then the US. The article doesn't mention that US troops under Dubya's command kidnaped Aristide, showing that the coup was Dubya's work. "Jan 19 22:35
schestowitz"The government set up afterwards has effectively banned Aristide's party from elections."Jan 19 22:35
schestowitz"The president of Haiti vetoed a bill to increase the minimum wage because the multinational companies did not like it."Jan 19 22:35
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/17/no-room-cemetery-haitiJan 19 22:36
phIRCe-localTitle: No room in the cemetery for Haiti dead |World news |The Guardian .::. Size~: 87.21 KBJan 19 22:36
MinceRwow, honesty about reasonsJan 19 22:36
rnbschestowitz: i've seen a lot of articles about itJan 19 22:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz Thank yo for the http://tinyogg.com/ link Roy!Jan 19 22:38
rnbdemocracy now has a good show about it todayJan 19 22:38
phIRCe-localTitle: TinyOgg - Welcome! .::. Size~: 3.45 KBJan 19 22:38
rnbhttp://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/19/us_accused_of_militarizing_relief_effortJan 19 22:38
phIRCe-localTitle: US Accused of Militarizing Relief Effort in Haiti .::. Size~: 34.53 KBJan 19 22:39
schestowitzI'd have to watch itJan 19 22:39
schestowitzscientes watches it tooJan 19 22:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] RT: @schestowitz: RT @davide89v use http://tinyogg.com support ogg multimedia format #playogg #fsf #gnu #linux #ubuntu #debian #tinyoggJan 19 22:39
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rnbi watch it every day, i used to work with democracy now and i'm still in touch with a number of their producersJan 19 22:39
rnbthe united states doesnt have a very 'humanitarian' history with haiti to begin withJan 19 22:42
schestowitzLinux ROCKS: http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/linux-powered-misa-digital-guitar-19-01-2010/Jan 19 22:42
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schestowitzrnb: did you get filming done?Jan 19 22:43
schestowitzAre you on any of the shows?Jan 19 22:43
schestowitzO'Reilly gets more viewers than Goodman, so he must be more correct !Jan 19 22:44
rnbhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/murray-fromson/cubas-rescue-effort-in-ha_b_426631.htmlJan 19 22:44
phIRCe-localTitle: Murray Fromson: Cuba's Rescue Effort in Haiti .::. Size~: 189.73 KBJan 19 22:44
rnbschestowitz: i did tech work with themJan 19 22:44
schestowitzNext in the O'Reilly Factor.... chat with Robertson on how Haiti brought an earthquake upon itselfJan 19 22:44
schestowitzrnb: they got some funding recentlyJan 19 22:45
schestowitzNew studio last monthJan 19 22:45
rnbyeahJan 19 22:45
schestowitz"Cuba has sent ten tons of medications. Since 1998, Cuba's health cooperation with Haiti has made it possible for 6,000 doctors, paramedics and health technicians to work there. Besides, 450 young Haitians have graduated as doctors from Cuban colleges, free of charge, in the past 12 years."Jan 19 22:45
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: http://gawker.com/5451086/john-travolta-to-airlift-desperately-needed-e+meters-to-people-of-haitiJan 19 22:45
schestowitzSo much for "axis of evil"Jan 19 22:45
phIRCe-localTitle: John Travolta to Airlift Desperately Needed E-Meters to People of Haiti - Disasters - Gawker .::. Size~: 62.73 KBJan 19 22:45
schestowitzTheir healthcare is goodJan 19 22:45
rnbcuba sends doctors all over the worldJan 19 22:46
schestowitzI knowJan 19 22:46
rnbin fact, any US citizen can go and receive a world-class education to become a doctor in cubaJan 19 22:46
schestowitzBrazil too, IIRCJan 19 22:46
schestowitzIt's in the latenrative mediaJan 19 22:46
rnbIF they promise to return to the US and operate low-cost services in poor communitiesJan 19 22:46
FurnaceBoyrnb: uh, americans couldn't legally travel there until very recentlyJan 19 22:46
rnbthey still cantJan 19 22:47
rnbhowever, you can apply for a special permitJan 19 22:47
FurnaceBoyheh. right, i'm not surprised.Jan 19 22:47
rnband academic permits are some of the most commonly givenJan 19 22:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] People who don't specify a character encoding and then put non-ascii chars in their email headers should be shot in the knees.Jan 19 22:47
rnbi've been there twiceJan 19 22:47
rnbfuck a permit :)Jan 19 22:47
FurnaceBoyhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jan/18/haiti-holidaymakers-right-carry-on-cruisingJan 19 22:47
phIRCe-localTitle: The haves and the have-nots in Haiti | Gwyn Topham |Comment is free |The Guardian .::. Size~: 198.74 KBJan 19 22:47
rnbthe penalties are pretty severe though, although not frequently carried outJan 19 22:48
schestowitz"Anywhere people are suffering, Scientology's yellow-shirted "volunteer ministers" can be found lurking near news cameras and claiming to help people with their bullshit technology."Jan 19 22:48
rnbbut i think you can get 10 years in prisonJan 19 22:48
rnbplus a fine of several hundreds thousands of dollarsJan 19 22:48
schestowitzAsk them, why did the deity shake the Earth?Jan 19 22:48
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: opportunism is the tactic of vulturesJan 19 22:48
rnbjust for going to cubaJan 19 22:48
schestowitzTO have some fun?Jan 19 22:48
FurnaceBoyrnb: plus, you'll never go through an airport screening smoothly again.Jan 19 22:49
rnbi love cubaJan 19 22:49
FurnaceBoyrnb: well, you can speak from experience -- how does TSA treat you?Jan 19 22:49
rnbits so beautifulJan 19 22:49
rnbthey dont knowJan 19 22:49
FurnaceBoythey don't?Jan 19 22:49
rnbno wayJan 19 22:49
schestowitzrnb: Bobby Fisher went to play Chess in east Europe and couldn't come backJan 19 22:49
rnbi didnt want to deal with all thatJan 19 22:49
FurnaceBoyhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2009/dec/12/cubas-green-revolutionJan 19 22:50
phIRCe-localTitle: Cuba's green revolution |Travel |The Guardian .::. Size~: 119.9 KBJan 19 22:50
FurnaceBoy^^ worth reading.Jan 19 22:50
schestowitzLater they withdrew his citizenship and he was arrested in JapanJan 19 22:50
schestowitzMore idiocy from hypocritical embargoesJan 19 22:50
rnbi saw that guardian articleJan 19 22:50
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: oh, yeah the Bobby Fischer thing is scandalous.Jan 19 22:50
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FurnaceBoyrnb: it's a good article. schestowitz check it out ^^Jan 19 22:51
rnbi work with the organizing committee for Free the Cuban Five groupJan 19 22:51
rnbyou are familiar with this case?Jan 19 22:51
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: beyond me scope thoughJan 19 22:51
schestowitzrnb: whose?Jan 19 22:51
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: ahJan 19 22:51
rnbschestowitz: the Cuban FiveJan 19 22:51
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: it's an old articleJan 19 22:51
schestowitzNoJan 19 22:52
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: not reallyJan 19 22:52
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: 1 month :)Jan 19 22:52
rnbhttp://www.freethefive.org/Jan 19 22:52
schestowitzMy grandpa's brother lived in CubaJan 19 22:52
schestowitzHe's in Miami nowJan 19 22:52
FurnaceBoywell, ya gotta figure any nation on the US shit list must have a lot going for it.Jan 19 22:52
phIRCe-localTitle: National Committee to Free the Cuban Five .::. Size~: 71.67 KBJan 19 22:52
rnbthe Cuban Five case is a disgusting disgraceJan 19 22:52
rnbit's so sadJan 19 22:53
schestowitzActually, some of my cousins grew up in CubaJan 19 22:53
schestowitzDanny and Betty..Jan 19 22:53
FurnaceBoyhttp://www.digitaljournal.com/article/285996Jan 19 22:53
schestowitzrnb: people won't remember if it's not in the school curriculumJan 19 22:53
schestowitzUnless there's a hero (white man) and a villian, it's unlikely to be taught and made a highlightJan 19 22:54
rnbschestowitz: well, there is essentially a media blackout in the US about itJan 19 22:54
FurnaceBoyhttp://www.digitaljournal.com/article/285996Jan 19 22:54
FurnaceBoyoopsJan 19 22:54
rnbschestowitz: but it isnt from history, it's going on right nowJan 19 22:54
rnbschestowitz: the Supreme Court just rejected their appealJan 19 22:55
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: hehe. I'll mail this to RMS...Jan 19 22:55
phIRCe-localTitle: Opinion: How robot-missionaries prey on helpless Haiti survivors .::. Size~: 31.67 KBJan 19 22:55
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FurnaceBoyrnb: a media blackout :) i hate the US for its freedom... HAJan 19 22:55
FurnaceBoyrnb: they see an entirely filtered view of the worldJan 19 22:55
rnbschestowitz: they dont want to cover it in the media because then they would have to talk about the terrorist training camps in the USJan 19 22:55
FurnaceBoyrnb: did you ever notice it's very hard to buy foreign newspapers there ?Jan 19 22:55
FurnaceBoyrnb: except "American editions" ?Jan 19 22:55
rnbschestowitz: not to mention the US sheltering known terrorist like luis posada carrilesJan 19 22:55
rnbFurnaceBoy: of course, its next to impossibleJan 19 22:56
schestowitzThank goodness! Haiti is safe.Jan 19 22:56
schestowitzOr Cuban cigars :-)Jan 19 22:57
schestowitzRolled by the devil himself /sarcasmJan 19 22:57
FurnaceBoyrnb: of course "USA edition" is in tiny fine print -- so most don't even realise they're seeing news tailored for their eyes onlyJan 19 22:57
FurnaceBoyrnb: that is, the 0.000001% who would ever read "foreign" newsJan 19 22:58
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schestowitzIn Russia they are luckyJan 19 22:58
schestowitzThey KNOW they can't trust the newsJan 19 22:58
schestowitzThey have a trickJan 19 22:58
schestowitzThey flip the paper and they know how to maybe extract some informationJan 19 22:58
schestowitzSOme.Jan 19 22:58
rnbargh, i'm getting pissed offJan 19 22:59
schestowitzhttp://www.tradingmarkets.com/news/stock-alert/xrit_x-rite-offers-linux-and-mac-sdk-for-hubble-710677.htmlJan 19 22:59
schestowitzThe Real News Network was a good newsJan 19 22:59
schestowitzNot "alternative media"Jan 19 22:59
schestowitzThe /Real/ mediaJan 19 22:59
schestowitzA lot of the rest if bogus echo chamber started by shills like NYT/FriedmanJan 19 23:00
schestowitzIf people get their news from the Pentagon, they don't understand the propaganda frameworkJan 19 23:00
schestowitzIn some countries people were at least trained to distrust what it says in papersJan 19 23:00
rnbyeah, Real News is very goodJan 19 23:01
phIRCe-localTitle: X-Rite offers Linux and Mac SDK for Hubble  | TradingMarkets.com  .::. Size~: 32.59 KBJan 19 23:01
schestowitzThey receive state support anf dunding not for lovely pictures of celebrities on the coverJan 19 23:01
schestowitzrnb: is Real News still active?Jan 19 23:01
schestowitzThey made an appeal last yearJan 19 23:01
schestowitzhttp://www.electronicsweekly.com/Articles/2010/01/19/47814/android-runs-with-movidius-3d-video-graphics-processor.htmJan 19 23:01
rnbif it's th same one, they are always posting new videos on youtubeJan 19 23:01
schestowitzBig G is hijacking LinuxJan 19 23:01
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: please don't mention Friedman and Rice in the same day..Jan 19 23:01
schestowitzCan I mentione chicken and rice?Jan 19 23:02
FurnaceBoy:)Jan 19 23:02
schestowitzCan I mention chickenhalk and rice?Jan 19 23:02
schestowitzhawkJan 19 23:02
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MinceRchicken hulkJan 19 23:03
schestowitzI know people who adore Thomas Friedman thoughJan 19 23:03
FurnaceBoyi am sure you do.Jan 19 23:03
schestowitzMinceR: yes, slipJan 19 23:03
FurnaceBoyrest assured i am not among them :)Jan 19 23:03
schestowitzWHat about Nat Friedman?Jan 19 23:04
schestowitzhttp://www.tradingmarkets.com/adv.php?ref=%2Fnews%2Fstock-alert%2Fbaesf_montavista-software-selected-by-bae-systems-710562.htmlJan 19 23:05
schestowitzThis is a case of Linux being used to kill peopleJan 19 23:05
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schestowitzIn think some dude made a licence against thisJan 19 23:05
schestowitzAnd Google therefore rejected his softwareJan 19 23:05
schestowitzIt said something like, "use for good, not for evil"Jan 19 23:05
MinceRif the license forbids using software to kill people, it isn't free software and it isn't open source softwareJan 19 23:06
schestowitzhttp://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/01/19/misa_guitar/Jan 19 23:06
MinceRalso, it's a stupid restriction, like those 'you may not use this software to develop nuclear weapon' license termsJan 19 23:06
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trmancoanybody know how much was the USD difference between the CAD in the year 2000?Jan 19 23:07
schestowitzLet's start the Open Life Alliance ;-pJan 19 23:07
MinceRbtw, guns don't kill people, people doJan 19 23:07
schestowitzSoftare for Living Human BeingsJan 19 23:07
MinceRor, to quote from Postal2, "Guns don't kill people, I do."Jan 19 23:07
schestowitzAnd the criminals will of course obey the s/w licence and not do crimes with it..............Jan 19 23:07
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MinceRcertainlyJan 19 23:08
schestowitzDeamonFOX doeJan 19 23:08
schestowitzDeamonFOX doesJan 19 23:08
MinceRwhen did he become a furry? :>Jan 19 23:09
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trmancohttp://mashable.com/2010/01/19/bill-gates-twitter/Jan 19 23:27
phIRCe-localTitle: Bill Gates Joins Twitter .::. Size~: 71.33 KBJan 19 23:28
trmancohe is not the richest in the worldJan 19 23:28
trmancopfffJan 19 23:28
trmancodoes he have some secret stash of money many don't know of?Jan 19 23:28
schestowitzPR BSJan 19 23:28
schestowitzProbably doing the spinJan 19 23:28
schestowitzFor reputationJan 19 23:28
schestowitz@billgates so, how did you stay out of prison? Did poppa help? :-)Jan 19 23:29
FurnaceBoytrmanco: he may be one of the richest criminals, though. a bank job doesn't net that much.Jan 19 23:33
FurnaceBoyschestowitz++Jan 19 23:33
trmancohow come he has a pixelized photo of himself on twitter?Jan 19 23:34
trmancojeezJan 19 23:34
schestowitzI bet it's not himJan 19 23:37
schestowitzHe appointed some PR agent to do it with his endorsementJan 19 23:37
FurnaceBoydoes it have a * Verified Asshole endorsement?Jan 19 23:37
schestowitzPart of the "outreach to sheeple" driveJan 19 23:37
schestowitzRMS has an annount on identi.caJan 19 23:38
schestowitzBut RMS does not operate itJan 19 23:38
FurnaceBoyhe has twitter too.Jan 19 23:38
FurnaceBoy&i never saw him tweet :)Jan 19 23:38
schestowitz>  though. a bank job doesn't net that much.Jan 19 23:38
schestowitzNot trueJan 19 23:38
schestowitzSOme people's wealth is not known or disclosedJan 19 23:38
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: ahJan 19 23:38
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yes, i see your point :DJan 19 23:38
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: throwaway line.Jan 19 23:38
schestowitzWHat?Jan 19 23:39
schestowitz" bank job doesn't net that much."?Jan 19 23:39
schestowitzOr...Jan 19 23:39
schestowitz"A net doesn't net that many banksters?"Jan 19 23:39
FurnaceBoyhis place in history will be one of 20th C greatest criminal mindsJan 19 23:40
FurnaceBoyhe's remarkableJan 19 23:41
FurnaceBoyin scaleJan 19 23:41
FurnaceBoythe mindset is familiar and common though. just most don't succeed so grandlyJan 19 23:41
trmancohttp://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/helping-computers-understand-language.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2FMKuf+%28Official+Google+Blog%29&utm_content=FaceBookJan 19 23:41
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schestowitzFurnaceBoy: I doubt itJan 19 23:43
schestowitzHe whitewashed a lotJan 19 23:43
schestowitzThe problem is, the English-speaking press helps himJan 19 23:43
schestowitzHe's not a "foreigner"Jan 19 23:43
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSSjpf_1ZzgJan 19 23:48
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube- Astronomy's Best Kept Secret .::. Size~: 123.22 KBJan 19 23:48
FurnaceBoyhttp://twitter.com/ObamasQuagmire/status/7963602797Jan 19 23:51
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: right, he 's an uh.. successful businessman!Jan 19 23:52
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: a culture that worships money is blind to how it is acquired.Jan 19 23:52

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