| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] I am trying to convert this video via TinyOgg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSSCtM2c7jc | Jan 20 00:00 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- Apocalyptica/Nina Hagen - Seemann. .::. Size~: 118.92 KB | Jan 20 00:00 |
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| _goblin | schestowitz: you here? | Jan 20 00:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] So far it doesn't work. Probably the content has to be Creative Commons Licensed? | Jan 20 00:03 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Secret letter reveals Lord Goldsmith's fury over legal approval for war - Times Online http://tinyurl.com/yfyj6jh | Jan 20 00:15 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Secret letter reveals Lord Goldsmith's fury over legal approval for war - Times Online .::. Size~: 101.52 KB | Jan 20 00:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | heh | Jan 20 00:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | now *that* I gotta read | Jan 20 00:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | Goldsmith is an ambiguous figure, but basically he tried to stop Blair doing something stupid. | Jan 20 00:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | Blair needs to do some serious jail time. | Jan 20 00:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] "Mijn Partij" doet het schijnbaar wel goed, als het op privacy aankomt: http://tinyurl.com/yae77cb ... lekker puh :-) | Jan 20 00:21 | |
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| schestowitz | Wow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yc8FBmaTqc | Jan 20 00:31 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- The Shutdown of Love at Canary Wharf .::. Size~: 126.92 KB | Jan 20 00:31 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: yes | Jan 20 00:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Dear Bill Gates, must really hurt that the internet is ours, not yours. #kthxbai | Jan 20 00:34 | |
| _goblin | schestowitz: can I run something by you? | Jan 20 00:34 |
| _goblin | do you think the following is ok.......(I have a bit of an issue with this....) | Jan 20 00:35 |
| _goblin | I emailed distro watch in regards to mentioning Puppy Arcade 5.....this is the reply I got.... | Jan 20 00:35 |
| _goblin | I know that Barry Kauler used to object if somebody created a Puppy | Jan 20 00:35 |
| _goblin | derivative and called it "Puppy Something". I'd be happier if the guys | Jan 20 00:35 |
| _goblin | behind Puppy Arcade got a permission from Barry to use this name or if | Jan 20 00:35 |
| _goblin | they renamed the project to something that doesn't include the word | Jan 20 00:35 |
| _goblin | "Puppy". | Jan 20 00:35 |
| _goblin | ... | Jan 20 00:36 |
| _goblin | permission? | Jan 20 00:36 |
| _goblin | does barry have some intellectual ownership of the word "puppy"? | Jan 20 00:36 |
| _goblin | I thought this was FOSS...? | Jan 20 00:36 |
| _goblin | ... | Jan 20 00:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG3fWjB4jZs | Jan 20 00:37 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- A Journey Through Space And Time - The Best Of Hubble #1 .::. Size~: 133 KB | Jan 20 00:37 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: yeah | Jan 20 00:38 |
| _goblin | Im going to email Barry....I hope he doesn't have this view.... | Jan 20 00:38 |
| schestowitz | I thought it was related to Puppy Linux | Jan 20 00:38 |
| _goblin | it is.... | Jan 20 00:38 |
| _goblin | apparently Barry doesn't like people using the word "Puppy" without his permission. | Jan 20 00:38 |
| _goblin | I wonder if he has permission to use the word "Linux" | Jan 20 00:38 |
| schestowitz | *I* am a puppy (and so it my wife!!) | Jan 20 00:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | _goblin: sounds like all will be clarified by emailing the guy :) | Jan 20 00:39 |
| _goblin | yeah....I don't like the bit where it says: | Jan 20 00:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: arf arf | Jan 20 00:39 |
| _goblin | Quote "I know that Barry Kauler used to object if somebody created a Puppy | Jan 20 00:40 |
| _goblin | derivative and called it "Puppy Something" | Jan 20 00:40 |
| _goblin | Puppy fat? | Jan 20 00:40 |
| _goblin | puppy love? | Jan 20 00:40 |
| _goblin | Puppies.... | Jan 20 00:40 |
| _goblin | I'll stop there incase I offend. | Jan 20 00:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | happiness is a warm puppy | Jan 20 00:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | ...soup | Jan 20 00:40 |
| MinceR | nope | Jan 20 00:41 |
| *FurnaceBoy 's wife wants a puppy | Jan 20 00:41 | |
| MinceR | oh, i see what you did there. | Jan 20 00:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Jan 20 00:41 |
| _goblin | has she asked Barry? | Jan 20 00:41 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: did she specify whether it's supposed to be alive or dead? | Jan 20 00:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: well, inferring from context, alive and cute as heck | Jan 20 00:41 |
| MinceR | pft | Jan 20 00:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: she was showing me pictures on the net | Jan 20 00:41 |
| MinceR | the second condition can't be satisfied by that subspecies. | Jan 20 00:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | i'm more of a cat person | Jan 20 00:42 |
| MinceR | so am i | Jan 20 00:43 |
| _goblin | right...email sent.... | Jan 20 00:45 |
| _goblin | fingers crossed that it's DW's misinterpretation. | Jan 20 00:46 |
| MinceR | happiness is a warm gun. | Jan 20 00:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: when I hold you / in my arms / yeah, yeah / i know that nobody / can do me no harm | Jan 20 00:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: you're sounding like D | Jan 20 00:48 |
| MinceR | if someone is against gun prohibition, he automatically sounds like D? | Jan 20 00:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | no. | Jan 20 00:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: read your line, together with the next line of the song :) | Jan 20 00:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | *that* sounds like D. but never mind. | Jan 20 00:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | I didn't bring up gun control. | Jan 20 00:50 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: okay, cool | Jan 20 00:51 |
| schestowitz | BTW, it's woof, not arf | Jan 20 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Copyright(c) BarryK | Jan 20 00:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i didn't want to be hit up for royalties. | Jan 20 00:52 |
| MinceR | oh, i see | Jan 20 00:52 |
| schestowitz | He should call it Poppy Games | Jan 20 00:52 |
| schestowitz | "Y'wanna get high?" | Jan 20 00:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Taliban own that mark. | Jan 20 00:52 |
| _goblin | update.... | Jan 20 00:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | wonder how Costa Rica's going with that free trade thing. | Jan 20 00:53 |
| _goblin | looking at the puppy site, its already been featured....sort of.... | Jan 20 00:53 |
| _goblin | think its DW being silly.... | Jan 20 00:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | power tripper! | Jan 20 00:54 |
| _goblin | I had visions of it being Ubuntu Satanic Edition all over again. | Jan 20 00:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gwt1VK2bXs cool | Jan 20 00:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | chmod 666 ftw | Jan 20 00:54 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Costa Rica, do you *get* what free trade means, yet? No, no, put away that dictionary... | Jan 20 00:55 | |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: lol | Jan 20 00:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: tell this guy about your blog │ | Jan 20 00:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | [19:52:16] FurnaceBoy | power tripper! │ | Jan 20 00:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | ugh | Jan 20 00:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | i keep doing that sorry | Jan 20 00:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: tell this guy about your blog http://twitter.com/CrackpotPress | Jan 20 00:57 |
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| FurnaceBoy | http://twitter.com/CrackpotPress/status/7966994559 | Jan 20 00:57 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Twitter / DavidHoward: Who has a blog? I need som ... .::. Size~: 7.1 KB | Jan 20 00:57 |
| schestowitz | This one doesn't look credible./.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFjCYFMhjNg | Jan 20 00:59 |
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| schestowitz | schestowitz: which guy? | Jan 20 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Jan 20 01:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | hm. That Times Online article is 404 now. | Jan 20 01:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | I was about to make a comment. | Jan 20 01:02 |
| schestowitz | It's there | Jan 20 01:03 |
| *FurnaceBoy tries again | Jan 20 01:03 | |
| FurnaceBoy | well that is strange. | Jan 20 01:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | now it works. | Jan 20 01:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | i.e. the tinyurl expanded, to timesonline url, got a 404, reload, 404 | Jan 20 01:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | do over from tinyurl, loaded | Jan 20 01:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." -Sam Adams | Jan 20 01:06 | |
| schestowitz | tessier: the new caching change you applied seems to have worked wonders | Jan 20 01:07 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: maybe they fight the British Internet Watchdog | Jan 20 01:08 |
| tessier | schestowitz: Really? Great. | Jan 20 01:08 |
| schestowitz | !google virgin killer wikipedia | Jan 20 01:08 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Virgin Killer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Killer | Jan 20 01:08 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Virgin Killer - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Killer | Jan 20 01:08 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Wikipedia Is Arguing Whether This Album Cover Is Child Porn - Porn ... | http://gawker.com/388830/wikipedia-is-arguing-whether-this-album-cover-is-child-porn | Jan 20 01:08 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Music Ally | Blog Archive » Scorpions Virgin Killer album cover ... | http://musically.com/blog/2008/12/08/scorpions-virgin-killer-album-cover-leads-to-wikipedia-ban/ | Jan 20 01:08 |
| tessier | It was a bit of trial and error at first but I'm glad things are better. | Jan 20 01:08 |
| schestowitz | When I leave comments it regenerates the page | Jan 20 01:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: plus Times Online has 'lost' my account. | Jan 20 01:09 |
| *Tallken has quit ("Leaving") | Jan 20 01:17 | |
| FurnaceBoy | http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2010/01/oracle_wont_kil.html | Jan 20 01:18 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Oracle Won't Kill MySQL, Says Co-Founder - Global CIO Blog - InformationWeek .::. Size~: 51.4 KB | Jan 20 01:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | man, that headline is too long. it should be just "Wikipedia is Arguing" and from there we can see: No News | Jan 20 01:23 |
| schestowitz | Well done, David Axmar | Jan 20 01:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuss | Jan 20 01:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | common. sense. he haz it. | Jan 20 01:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | unlike his former colleague | Jan 20 01:28 |
| schestowitz | No. | Jan 20 01:28 |
| schestowitz | Vested interests | Jan 20 01:28 |
| schestowitz | That's the difference | Jan 20 01:28 |
| schestowitz | MariaDB has just make a release | Jan 20 01:28 |
| schestowitz | No press coverage | Jan 20 01:28 |
| *yuhong (n=chatzill@pool-96-253-143-208.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Jan 20 01:30 | |
| schestowitz | Hi, yuhong | Jan 20 01:30 |
| schestowitz | I was about to tweet for a while | Jan 20 01:31 |
| schestowitz | So laggy in IRC...... | Jan 20 01:31 |
| yuhong | I do have an account at #yuhong2. | Jan 20 01:31 |
| yuhong | Ars has a new guide to Facebook privacy: | Jan 20 01:32 |
| yuhong | http://arstechnica.com/web/guides/2009/12/an-updated-guide-to-facebook-privacy-december-2009-edition.ars | Jan 20 01:32 |
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| yuhong | And did you see my IRC chat that proves an article in BN is BS. | Jan 20 01:33 |
| yuhong | About a fundemental flaw claimed to be in 7 that really is generic to every OS. | Jan 20 01:33 |
| schestowitz | > "Huge spike" in downloads of Firefox after announcement of security | Jan 20 01:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | ... | Jan 20 01:34 |
| schestowitz | > holes in Internet Explorer last week. | Jan 20 01:34 |
| yuhong | Not suprising, of course. | Jan 20 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Good :-) | Jan 20 01:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/63700444-050d-11df-aa2c-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1 | Jan 20 01:35 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: FT.com / Technology - Microsoft rivals gain after Europe browser warning .::. Size~: 34.87 KB | Jan 20 01:35 |
| schestowitz | FT is being an arse | Jan 20 01:35 |
| schestowitz | They make a paywall | Jan 20 01:35 |
| schestowitz | And NYT wants the same model | Jan 20 01:35 |
| schestowitz | X Samples/day | Jan 20 01:36 |
| schestowitz | Won't work | Jan 20 01:36 |
| schestowitz | I just don't cite them anymore, they lose potential news subs | Jan 20 01:36 |
| yuhong | BTW, the reason why I considered MS's Win7 bribed laptops during the beta bad is not only because it happened, but that it was also done in a shady way. | Jan 20 01:38 |
| yuhong | Like calling a gift a loan, very shady. | Jan 20 01:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's not the first time they did that. | Jan 20 01:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's just a replay of vista launch | Jan 20 01:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | must be same handlers | Jan 20 01:39 |
| yuhong | Yep. | Jan 20 01:40 |
| yuhong | I know, and it was shady, very shady. | Jan 20 01:40 |
| yuhong | http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1516810&cid=30826736 | Jan 20 01:41 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: nyt has been like that for a long time though? | Jan 20 01:41 |
| yuhong | "1. Setup proxy for paranoids | Jan 20 01:42 |
| yuhong | 2. Data mine the search habits of paranoids | Jan 20 01:42 |
| yuhong | 3. ???? | Jan 20 01:42 |
| yuhong | 4. Profit!" | Jan 20 01:42 |
| yuhong | Can you say very tricky? | Jan 20 01:42 |
| MinceR | you can chain proxies | Jan 20 01:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | Tor? | Jan 20 01:42 |
| MinceR | Tor+Scroogle | Jan 20 01:42 |
| MinceR | perhaps even an anonymous web proxy in between | Jan 20 01:43 |
| yuhong | I personally don't bother to use proxies, and I use ordinary Chrome and leave the settings at default. | Jan 20 01:43 |
| yuhong | I found the search suggestions handy, in fact. | Jan 20 01:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@BoneKnightmare Woman with .708 blood-alcohol level ... had more #alcohol than blood in her body. // that's 0.708%, not 70.8%! | Jan 20 01:44 | |
| yuhong | I found the Chrome search suggestions handy, in fact, and of course they will require sending what you are typing to Google's servers. | Jan 20 01:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | hardly a problem when the completed search goes there ... | Jan 20 01:45 |
| rnb | it's still a capitalist rag but i like the financial times/uk | Jan 20 01:45 |
| rnb | i get it delivered to my house | Jan 20 01:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: it's not bad | Jan 20 01:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: good plane reading | Jan 20 01:46 |
| rnb | 10 times better than NYT or WSJ | Jan 20 01:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | haah | Jan 20 01:46 |
| yuhong | I read Ars often and participate in the forums. | Jan 20 01:46 |
| rnb | especially since the WSJ was bought by murdoch | Jan 20 01:46 |
| rnb | ugh, it is so terrible now -- i mean, it was always horrible | Jan 20 01:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | the US papers aren't worth anything. holy heck, the NYT syndicates Friedman. | Jan 20 01:46 |
| rnb | but now it is just plain trash | Jan 20 01:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | i simply stopped reading the NYT around iraq. | Jan 20 01:46 |
| rnb | mary anastasia o'grady is fkn pure evil | Jan 20 01:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | it was purely offensive | Jan 20 01:46 |
| rnb | she's the WSJ's latin america commentator | Jan 20 01:46 |
| MinceR | yuhong: so you don't value your own privacy. that's fine. but some people do. :> | Jan 20 01:46 |
| rnb | she's even fkn come out in support of pinochet | Jan 20 01:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: ouch | Jan 20 01:46 |
| yuhong | http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601204&sid=alJALCiRrXfQ | Jan 20 01:47 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Google Holders Applaud China Stance, See Lost Revenue (Update2) - Bloomberg.com .::. Size~: 35.09 KB | Jan 20 01:47 |
| rnb | and she wrote pure propaganda about the coup d'etat in honduras | Jan 20 01:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: life is too short for ... yes I was about to type propaganda. | Jan 20 01:47 |
| rnb | it filled me with fear and loathing | Jan 20 01:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: understandably. | Jan 20 01:47 |
| rnb | yeah, re: life too short..i was suckered into arguing about her editorials on the WSJ's comments page | Jan 20 01:48 |
| rnb | i want that time back | Jan 20 01:48 |
| yuhong | But my Facebook account has been disabled. | Jan 20 01:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: i getcha | Jan 20 01:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: i try not to get drawn into that stuff | Jan 20 01:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: even the guardian commenters are half insane | Jan 20 01:48 |
| rnb | me too | Jan 20 01:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: though there was a good comment on that Goldsmith article on Times Online. | Jan 20 01:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: usually i don't even bother reading comments, they're so bad | Jan 20 01:48 |
| rnb | so hey, what's the story with this channel? | Jan 20 01:48 |
| rnb | someone here put up the boycottnovell website? | Jan 20 01:49 |
| rnb | how did an irc channel grow up around it? | Jan 20 01:49 |
| yuhong | I don't value privacy that much. | Jan 20 01:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: sheer freaking awesomeness | Jan 20 01:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: the BoycottNovell site rocked for a long time. Now I know who to blame :D | Jan 20 01:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: now we just need PJ to come in here | Jan 20 01:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: and life would be perfect | Jan 20 01:50 |
| rnb | i noticd it because it started to show up a lot in the referer logs for a website i maintain | Jan 20 01:51 |
| rnb | pj? | Jan 20 01:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: groklaw's PJ. | Jan 20 01:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: or is that you! lulz | Jan 20 01:52 |
| schestowitz | rnb: IRC channel was reader idea | Jan 20 01:52 |
| schestowitz | Seatch sna sniff around the first logs | Jan 20 01:52 |
| schestowitz | And watch comments from June 2008 | Jan 20 01:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | ok... dumb question. how can i get one of my early tweets. I have like 4K now. | Jan 20 01:52 |
| schestowitz | The historical record of BN is all public | Jan 20 01:52 |
| schestowitz | We have hundreds of megabytes of text in BN | Jan 20 01:52 |
| yuhong | Yep. | Jan 20 01:53 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: heh, not me :) | Jan 20 01:53 |
| yuhong | When does comments close, BTW? | Jan 20 01:53 |
| schestowitz | Registratiomn | Jan 20 01:53 |
| schestowitz | When we were abused heavily | Jan 20 01:53 |
| schestowitz | Not just curses | Jan 20 01:53 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: my news site is shamefully out-dated by a couple months because i've been so busy | Jan 20 01:53 |
| schestowitz | Threats in comments | Jan 20 01:53 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: but i'll start hyping it in here soon ;) | Jan 20 01:53 |
| schestowitz | Then we established a policy by which accounts of offenders can be suspended | Jan 20 01:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: i'm overbusy myself, yet never seem to get much done. :( | Jan 20 01:54 |
| yuhong | So no specific time? | Jan 20 01:54 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: irc might contribute to that :) i have a similar problem :) | Jan 20 01:54 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: sleep less ;-) | Jan 20 01:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: do you need/ want a mirror? | Jan 20 01:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: it does. but it's fun! | Jan 20 01:54 |
| yuhong | So no specific time when comments will close? | Jan 20 01:54 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: for instance, i should have finished a proposal in the time i've been talking in here right now | Jan 20 01:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: this channel is devastating to my productivity and equilibrium | Jan 20 01:54 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: we do fine with tessier's kind help | Jan 20 01:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: ok | Jan 20 01:54 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: hey, we're "networking" | Jan 20 01:55 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: this is work | Jan 20 01:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: if ya ever need a second string, hit me | Jan 20 01:55 |
| schestowitz | We got DDOSed for days | Jan 20 01:55 |
| schestowitz | And he helped us out | Jan 20 01:55 |
| schestowitz | Saviour... | Jan 20 01:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | tessier++ | Jan 20 01:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i have colo in this city | Jan 20 01:55 |
| schestowitz | The site was offline for 3 days because of the perps | Jan 20 01:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you probably know of them, they were famous for DMCA resistance : PriorityColo.com | Jan 20 01:55 |
| schestowitz | I got mail from some executives worrying that it was offline | Jan 20 01:56 |
| rnb | i can also offer mirror space | Jan 20 01:56 |
| *tessier bows | Jan 20 01:56 | |
| yuhong | I know. | Jan 20 01:56 |
| schestowitz | SOme editors of Linux news sites read it quietly | Jan 20 01:56 |
| schestowitz | Got two mailed earlier tonight with one | Jan 20 01:56 |
| rnb | you guys should check out san francisco community colocation project! | Jan 20 01:56 |
| schestowitz | They come to BN for story ideas | Jan 20 01:56 |
| rnb | http://www.sfccp.net/ | Jan 20 01:56 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Join SFCCP! | San Francisco Community Colocation Project .::. Size~: 19.45 KB | Jan 20 01:56 |
| tessier | schestowitz: You got mail from executives worrying that BN was offline? Awesome. Glad there are important people reading it. | Jan 20 01:56 |
| schestowitz | Yes, but I can't name them | Jan 20 01:57 |
| yuhong | Why? | Jan 20 01:57 |
| tessier | Understood. | Jan 20 01:57 |
| schestowitz | I would get themin trouble | Jan 20 01:57 |
| tessier | yuhong: Probably because they don't want to be named! :) | Jan 20 01:57 |
| yuhong | Why? | Jan 20 01:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: come on, don't be silly | Jan 20 01:57 |
| schestowitz | Association they don't want | Jan 20 01:57 |
| tessier | And I don't want to know. Last thing I need is for SCO goons to come after me with a bag of wrenches. | Jan 20 01:57 |
| rnb | anyway, SFCCP can offer help to free software-related stuff | Jan 20 01:57 |
| yuhong | I understand now. | Jan 20 01:58 |
| schestowitz | One of them got in trouble after I mentioned a name | Jan 20 01:58 |
| rnb | SFCCP's prior incarnation was at the center of the EFF/Diebold case, if you remember that | Jan 20 01:58 |
| schestowitz | Rather, gave a clue about identity | Jan 20 01:58 |
| yuhong | What kind? | Jan 20 01:58 |
| rnb | this one -> http://www.eff.org/cases/online-policy-group-v-diebold/ | Jan 20 01:59 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Online Policy Group v. Diebold | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 24.54 KB | Jan 20 01:59 |
| rnb | (online policy group was our fiscal sponsor) | Jan 20 01:59 |
| yuhong | What kind of trouble? | Jan 20 01:59 |
| yuhong | Was it attacks by trolls? | Jan 20 02:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: another repeatable 404 on that Times Online story. must be technical. | Jan 20 02:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | i guess load balancing and dead app server or something.. | Jan 20 02:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's transient | Jan 20 02:04 |
| yuhong | I am not really interested in the names, but do want to know why. | Jan 20 02:06 |
| sebsebseb | This is probably a good book to buy! | Jan 20 02:08 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/book_review_geeks_bearing_gifts | Jan 20 02:08 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Hey, Massachusetts, don't make the mistake #Canada did with #Harper. You'll be a laughing stock for years. | Jan 20 02:08 | |
| yuhong | BTW, on the Facebook account, I am sending an email to disabled@facebook.com to try to reinstate, but I probably won't share much even if it did reinstate. | Jan 20 02:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GFI MAX Turrns to #GNU #Linux http://www.channelpro.co.uk/news/400417/advertorial_gfi_max_users_can_now_monitor_linux_devices.html | Jan 20 02:12 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Laptops Orchestra Powered by #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/83FjvT | Jan 20 02:12 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Advertorial: GFI MAX users can now monitor Linux devices-news - Channel Pro .::. Size~: 30.17 KB | Jan 20 02:12 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux.conf.au Coverage Makes Impact on the Press http://ur1.ca/k86h http://ur1.ca/k86i http://ur1.ca/k86j | Jan 20 02:14 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: In Pictures: The Australasia and Linux Quiz - Slideshow - Computerworld .::. Size~: 9.56 KB | Jan 20 02:14 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Aiming to Become #Windows -friendly/Gain Windows Compatibility http://ur1.ca/k86m http://ur1.ca/k86n | Jan 20 02:15 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Should Ubuntu include proprietary software? - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 130.76 KB | Jan 20 02:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: hola | Jan 20 02:15 |
| yuhong | BTW, the formal definition of restricted/multiverse software only consider the code's license, and adding Mono to the list of them will require a change to the definition. | Jan 20 02:16 |
| yuhong | BTW, the formal definition of restricted/multiverse software only consider the code's license, and adding Mono to the list of them will require a change to that definition. | Jan 20 02:17 |
| yuhong | Why should it be changed? | Jan 20 02:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LinuXP Developed for Desktop Use with #Wine http://www.dnaindia.com/bangalore/report_student-designs-easy-to-use-portable-os_1336459 | Jan 20 02:17 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Student designs easy-to-use, portable OS - dnaindia.com .::. Size~: 41.86 KB | Jan 20 02:17 |
| MinceR | to uphold the idea of free software? | Jan 20 02:17 |
| MinceR | and to protect users from nonfree software? | Jan 20 02:18 |
| MinceR | (specifically, the .net/mono patent trap) | Jan 20 02:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IBM Works Closely with #Canonical to Expand Desktop #GNU #Linux Use http://ur1.ca/k86r http://ur1.ca/k86t | Jan 20 02:18 | |
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| MinceR | also to make sure that filth doesn't get into the default set of installed packages | Jan 20 02:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Extends Support Window, First to Deliver #USB 3.0 Support http://ur1.ca/k86w http://ur1.ca/k86x | Jan 20 02:19 | |
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| yuhong | Well, it is not like that the patent trap was anything new. | Jan 20 02:19 |
| MinceR | the problem isn't new, but the solution has so far been absent | Jan 20 02:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: avoid | Jan 20 02:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: easy | Jan 20 02:20 |
| yuhong | Yep, but why people was not asking for a solution when it existed from the beginning? | Jan 20 02:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: because you're right, it's pretty freaking obvious | Jan 20 02:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: and anyone thoughtful knew to steer well clear | Jan 20 02:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ext4 File-System Performance Gauged, #Tso Interviewed http://ur1.ca/k871 http://ur1.ca/k872 #linux | Jan 20 02:21 | |
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| MinceR | mono being in restricted existed from the beginning? interesting. | Jan 20 02:21 |
| yuhong | No, not true. | Jan 20 02:22 |
| yuhong | What I mean is why should it suddenly go into restricted when the problem has been existed from the beginning? | Jan 20 02:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: why not? it better reflects its status | Jan 20 02:22 |
| yuhong | But it would require a change to the definition. | Jan 20 02:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: why are you debating this here? | Jan 20 02:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: *we* can't fix it for you | Jan 20 02:23 |
| MinceR | perhaps the OSD should be changed to reflect new anti-FLOSS tricks | Jan 20 02:23 |
| yuhong | No. | Jan 20 02:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: as the GPL has been... | Jan 20 02:23 |
| MinceR | indeed. | Jan 20 02:23 |
| MinceR | (and, mirroring it, the DFSG) | Jan 20 02:24 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: what os/distro do you use on your primary computer (i assume it's a laptop?)? | Jan 20 02:24 |
| yuhong | No of course not, discussing and doing the changes would be off-topic. | Jan 20 02:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: gentoo for work stuff, os x for everything else (laptop and g5) | Jan 20 02:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: we can't *do* the changes. | Jan 20 02:24 |
| MinceR | so that's why you defended crApple earlier :> | Jan 20 02:25 |
| yuhong | Of course not, discussing the changes needed would be off-topic. | Jan 20 02:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: and as for discussion, you seem to have an idee fixe | Jan 20 02:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: apple user for 25 years yes. | Jan 20 02:25 |
| yuhong | Of course not, discussing the changes needed would be off-topic anyway. | Jan 20 02:25 |
| *_goblin has quit ("Ex-Chat") | Jan 20 02:25 | |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: along with other non-x86 | Jan 20 02:25 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: similar here, i have a macbook pro for work and i have a laptop w/freebsd for travel/etc | Jan 20 02:25 |
| rnb | i use freebsd on all my servers | Jan 20 02:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: but that doesn't mean i disagree with you on Apple's problems with open-ness. | Jan 20 02:26 |
| yuhong | I'd take discussion of the changes needed to debian-legal of course, it is off-topic here. | Jan 20 02:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: Solaris 10 | Jan 20 02:26 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: ic | Jan 20 02:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: formerly linux. but Solaris has ZFS, no going back :) | Jan 20 02:27 |
| yuhong | On restrictions against open source software: | Jan 20 02:27 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: for work? do you have a normal job? | Jan 20 02:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: contract atm | Jan 20 02:27 |
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| rnb | i see | Jan 20 02:27 |
| yuhong | http://lowendmac.com/hodges/06/1109.html | Jan 20 02:27 |
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| Jose_X | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinion/ssi/images/Toles/c_01172010_520.gif | Jan 20 02:28 |
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| yuhong | What the school did not realize was Darwin was open source software. | Jan 20 02:28 |
| Jose_X | i thought that was funny | Jan 20 02:28 |
| MinceR | :D | Jan 20 02:28 |
| MinceR | i agree with that thought, Jose_X | Jan 20 02:28 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: i havent used solaris much ... a few years ago, i used it for about 3 months to evaluate if oracle would run better on it | Jan 20 02:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: some really nice stuff now. ZFS, Zones, etc | Jan 20 02:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: and full support for x86, x86_64 | Jan 20 02:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: and now open source too | Jan 20 02:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: ah FreeBSD< so you too could have ZFS | Jan 20 02:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: worth checking out | Jan 20 02:29 |
| yuhong | I cited it in a slashdot comment: | Jan 20 02:29 |
| rnb | indeed, i have zfs running on a couple servers for clients | Jan 20 02:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Jan 20 02:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Chromium OS Zero, #Opera 10.50 Alpha http://ur1.ca/k87l http://ur1.ca/k87m | Jan 20 02:31 | |
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| yuhong | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1513578&cid=30796894 | Jan 20 02:31 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Slashdot Comments | Providing a Closed Source License Upon Request? .::. Size~: 35.78 KB | Jan 20 02:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME Desktop 3 Reason for Anticipation, Not Fear http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/GNOME-3.0-Fear-Not | Jan 20 02:32 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: GNOME 3.0: Fear Not! - Linux Magazine Online .::. Size~: 29.27 KB | Jan 20 02:32 |
| rnb | zfs is much better on fsd 8, though | Jan 20 02:32 |
| rnb | i'm still using 7 | Jan 20 02:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes it keeps improving | Jan 20 02:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Personal Story: Why #Arch #GNU #Linux is Great http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1347 | Jan 20 02:33 | |
| FurnaceBoy | you on the mailing list? | Jan 20 02:33 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Why I use Arch Linux .::. Size~: 30.19 KB | Jan 20 02:33 |
| rnb | no but some of my developers are | Jan 20 02:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's good value | Jan 20 02:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Retro gaming: Dosbox v ScummVM – Who is the champion? http://tinyurl.com/ybk3ad4 #linux #dosbox #scummvm #emulation #foss #gnu #emu | Jan 20 02:34 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Retro gaming: Dosbox v ScummVM Who is the champion? « OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 36.33 KB | Jan 20 02:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://twitter.com/Karoli/status/7970330622 | Jan 20 02:35 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Twitter / Karoli: birther fills Ted Kennedy' ... .::. Size~: 9.87 KB | Jan 20 02:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora 13 to Come with #Btrfs Advances http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzg5MA | Jan 20 02:36 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: [Phoronix] Fedora 13 Btrfs Rollback Support Moves Along .::. Size~: 16.93 KB | Jan 20 02:36 |
| rnb | hah, brown won, huh? | Jan 20 02:36 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BSD vs #Linux : #Debian #GNU / #kFreeBSD #Benchmarks http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=debian_kfreebsd&num=1 | Jan 20 02:37 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: [Phoronix] Benchmarking Debian's GNU/kFreeBSD .::. Size~: 22.59 KB | Jan 20 02:37 |
| rnb | i want my free health care. | Jan 20 02:37 |
| rnb | right now. | Jan 20 02:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: well, come here. | Jan 20 02:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Glimpse at Next #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Alpha http://theravingrick.blogspot.com/2010/01/ubuntu-desktop-alpha-2-and-alpha-3-work.html | Jan 20 02:38 | |
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| rnb | i'll get it in brazil :) | Jan 20 02:38 |
| MinceR | "Here's your welfare reform!" | Jan 20 02:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | I liked this: http://twitter.com/whisper1111/status/7970007364 | Jan 20 02:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: yep | Jan 20 02:38 |
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| rnb | i need to get my permanent residency there | Jan 20 02:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: it's not bad. i've used their system once or twice | Jan 20 02:38 |
| rnb | do you have permanent resident status? | Jan 20 02:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: no | Jan 20 02:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: in brazil you mean? | Jan 20 02:39 |
| rnb | yea | Jan 20 02:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: answer stands then :) | Jan 20 02:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: esposa tem muito saudades | Jan 20 02:39 |
| rnb | your wife is a brasileira, right? | Jan 20 02:39 |
| rnb | yeah, yeah, minha tb | Jan 20 02:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: mas agora nao eh um bom momento para sair daqui | Jan 20 02:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Lubuntu 10.04 Alpha in Pictures http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/01/lubuntu-1004-alpha-new.html #ubuntu #gnu #linux | Jan 20 02:40 | |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: eu acho ... | Jan 20 02:40 |
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| FurnaceBoy | rnb: em futuro ela gostaria morar la | Jan 20 02:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | de * | Jan 20 02:40 |
| *FurnaceBoy speaks gringoese | Jan 20 02:40 | |
| rnb | este ano, estamos indo comecar a transicao para brasil | Jan 20 02:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #3G WiFi #MiFi #Router Runs #Linux http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/332973/internode_introduces_3g_wifi_mifi_router/ | Jan 20 02:41 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Internode introduces 3G WiFi MiFi router - WiFi, mobile broadband, isp, internode, 3g - Computerworld .::. Size~: 69.34 KB | Jan 20 02:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | sim | Jan 20 02:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | SP | Jan 20 02:41 |
| rnb | um parte do ano em sao paulo, um outro parte do ano aqui em san francisco | Jan 20 02:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | assim foi nosso plano mas acabou o meu trabalho no SC | Jan 20 02:42 |
| rnb | dois apartamentos | Jan 20 02:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | (make sense? ha) | Jan 20 02:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | planejamos para dividir entre SC e TO | Jan 20 02:43 |
| rnb | deve ser facil para ganhar trabalho em brasil para voce, neh? | Jan 20 02:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | mas sem o meu proprio trabalho la, nao podemos | Jan 20 02:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | hm | Jan 20 02:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | pode ser | Jan 20 02:43 |
| rnb | com certeza | Jan 20 02:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | na verdade nao quero morar em SP | Jan 20 02:44 |
| rnb | entao.. onde? | Jan 20 02:44 |
| rnb | um outro lugar em brasil? | Jan 20 02:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | SC ... tambem eu nao gosto de tempo humido no norte | Jan 20 02:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | ela eh alagoana | Jan 20 02:45 |
| rnb | ufff, eu tb | Jan 20 02:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | claro! | Jan 20 02:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | meu Deus | Jan 20 02:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | morei 3 meses em Maceio .. e 2 semanas em Salvador | Jan 20 02:45 |
| rnb | o tempo humido eh terrivel | Jan 20 02:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | todo ano.. sem mudar o tempo | Jan 20 02:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | afff | Jan 20 02:45 |
| rnb | icky sticky | Jan 20 02:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | yep | Jan 20 02:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | fan on 24 hours | Jan 20 02:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | i couldn't take it | Jan 20 02:46 |
| rnb | melhor que neve... tal vez | Jan 20 02:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | para mim, certo! | Jan 20 02:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | na verdade aqui o inverno eh so durante de 4 meses | Jan 20 02:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | primavera, verao, autunno - maravilhosos | Jan 20 02:47 |
| rnb | eu vivia meio da minha vida em ohio com humido -e- neve | Jan 20 02:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | haha | Jan 20 02:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | aqui eh um pouco assim | Jan 20 02:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | o verao aqui as vezes eh humido | Jan 20 02:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | 30C | Jan 20 02:47 |
| rnb | uff | Jan 20 02:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | mas nao muito, no ano passado | Jan 20 02:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | toleravel risos | Jan 20 02:48 |
| rnb | san francisco tem tempo perfeito | Jan 20 02:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | qualquer -- melhor que o nordeste | Jan 20 02:48 |
| rnb | mas... eh sempre o mesmo | Jan 20 02:48 |
| rnb | todos os dias, exceto as vezes tem chuva | Jan 20 02:48 |
| rnb | nao gosto isso | Jan 20 02:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | entendi | Jan 20 02:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | prefiro sem chuva.. ate gelo e neve risos | Jan 20 02:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Linux / #Android Support, More Products http://ur1.ca/k88w http://ur1.ca/k88x | Jan 20 02:50 | |
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| rnb | ugh ... http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1143854.html | Jan 20 02:50 |
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| rnb | Israel blocking NGO efforts with tourist visas | Jan 20 02:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | prefiro frio+seco ... e aqui, frequentamente com ceu azul e sol | Jan 20 02:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Gentoo #Linux on #ARM , More Gentoo on Musical Instruments http://ur1.ca/k892 http://ur1.ca/k893 | Jan 20 02:51 | |
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| rnb | The Interior Ministry has stopped granting work permits to foreign nationals working in most international nongovernmental organizations operating in the Palestinian territories, including East Jerusalem. | Jan 20 02:51 |
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| FurnaceBoy | ... | Jan 20 02:51 |
| *FurnaceBoy foams at the mouth for a bit | Jan 20 02:51 | |
| FurnaceBoy | ha'aretz is quite liberal. were they always that way? | Jan 20 02:51 |
| rnb | their hebrew version is not quite as liberal | Jan 20 02:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | hahahahaha | Jan 20 02:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's funny | Jan 20 02:52 |
| rnb | but they've been that way in the 12 - 15 years i've paid attention to them | Jan 20 02:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | i mean for israel, this is wayyyyy liberal. | Jan 20 02:52 |
| rnb | well, you'd be surprised maybe.. the us is actually much more radical about israel than most israelis | Jan 20 02:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | i know. | Jan 20 02:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | well. | Jan 20 02:53 |
| rnb | radical, i mean, in support of israel | Jan 20 02:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Jan 20 02:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | AIPAC | Jan 20 02:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Laptop Magazine on #Nokia 's #Linux -powered New Phone http://www.laptopmag.com/review/cell-phones/nokia-n900.aspx #maemo | Jan 20 02:53 | |
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| rnb | right but even just the media, etc | Jan 20 02:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | i think israel 's population is kept largely in the dark | Jan 20 02:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | this came out around the invasion | Jan 20 02:53 |
| rnb | oh definitely | Jan 20 02:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | it helps if they know nothing at all .. when you're carrying out genocide | Jan 20 02:53 |
| rnb | you'll have a bunch of rich kids dropping ecstasy and partying all night at a club | Jan 20 02:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | Tehran parties hard... or did until recently. too | Jan 20 02:54 |
| rnb | and 15 minutes away, there is a war going on that they are clueless about | Jan 20 02:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Disney Stuns with #FreeSoftware Release http://ur1.ca/k899 http://ur1.ca/k89a | Jan 20 02:54 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | rnb: yes | Jan 20 02:54 |
| rnb | but, part of that is that israelis are banned from going to the west bank | Jan 20 02:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: not unlike the ignorance intra-USA | Jan 20 02:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: HAHAHAHAHAAH | Jan 20 02:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: you can always pick the free countries by their travel bans. USA *koff* Cuba | Jan 20 02:54 |
| rnb | you didnt know? yeah, its illegal for israelis to go there | Jan 20 02:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | hilarious. | Jan 20 02:55 |
| rnb | not in reverse, because until recently, palestinians were the main grunt labor force of israel | Jan 20 02:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | logico | Jan 20 02:55 |
| rnb | but israel has started to become like other rich countries in the region ... importing cheap, non-citizen labor from pakistan, india, etc | Jan 20 02:56 |
| trmanco | http://blog.mozilla.com/tglek/2010/01/19/chromium-vs-minefield-cold-startup-performance-comparison/ | Jan 20 02:56 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Haiti Aided by #FreeSoftware http://www.ubuntu-user.com/Online/News/Open-Source-Helps-Earthquake-Victims-in-Haiti | Jan 20 02:56 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Open Source Helps Earthquake Victims in Haiti / News / Online / Home - Ubuntu User .::. Size~: 24.22 KB | Jan 20 02:56 |
| rnb | but that cluelessness... it is one reason that palestinian groups target nightclubs | Jan 20 02:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: Dubai ! :( | Jan 20 02:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: what a hell | Jan 20 02:57 |
| rnb | i was really close friends with a woman from dubai and for a long time, i was going to move there | Jan 20 02:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | for migrant workers | Jan 20 02:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | euh, non-citizen workers. | Jan 20 02:57 |
| rnb | when they were starting to build internet city | Jan 20 02:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | i can';t imagine anything worse than Dubai | Jan 20 02:58 |
| rnb | glad i didnt, the way it turned out | Jan 20 02:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Philippines Trains for #FreeSoftware http://www.pia.gov.ph/?m=12&fi=p100120.htm&no=05&r=&y=&mo= | Jan 20 02:58 | |
| rnb | talk about humidity | Jan 20 02:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | euh | Jan 20 02:58 |
| rnb | it is unbelievable | Jan 20 02:58 |
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| FurnaceBoy | Halliburton relocated there. wonder if they still are | Jan 20 02:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | no doubt for tax reasons | Jan 20 02:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | Cheney was rumoured to be moving there; i hope he does. place sucks even without him. | Jan 20 02:58 |
| rnb | yeah, there a ton of tech and biotech and other companies there | Jan 20 02:58 |
| rnb | but, the cost-of-living has skyrocketed | Jan 20 02:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | it must have taken a correction recently though | Jan 20 02:59 |
| rnb | the advantages you got working there are basically gone | Jan 20 02:59 |
| rnb | people are starting to lose money living there | Jan 20 02:59 |
| rnb | that's why i say i'm glad i didnt go that route | Jan 20 02:59 |
| rnb | a weird place, for sure | Jan 20 03:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | SP will be much more pleasant, methinks | Jan 20 03:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | i used to think about living there, but i wasn't married | Jan 20 03:01 |
| rnb | i actually really like the middle east | Jan 20 03:02 |
| rnb | the more normal contries | Jan 20 03:02 |
| rnb | amman is a great city | Jan 20 03:02 |
| rnb | so is beirut | Jan 20 03:02 |
| *sebsebseb has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | Jan 20 03:03 | |
| rnb | and i almost moved to bethlehem after staying there for almost 2 months | Jan 20 03:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | i've been invited to visit aleppo | Jan 20 03:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | haven't got around to it | Jan 20 03:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | :( | Jan 20 03:04 |
| *Jose_X has quit ("Leaving") | Jan 20 03:04 | |
| rnb | i think it's probably a little more culture shock in syria | Jan 20 03:05 |
| rnb | but it's still better than saudi arabia or kuwait or something | Jan 20 03:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | not sure i'll be too shocked :) | Jan 20 03:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | i'd like to go, just don't know when i can do it... | Jan 20 03:06 |
| rnb | you know someone there? | Jan 20 03:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes | Jan 20 03:08 |
| schestowitz | [02:56] <rnb> but israel has started to become like other rich countries in the region ... importing cheap, non-citizen labor from pakistan, india, etc | Jan 20 03:08 |
| schestowitz | Not labour | Jan 20 03:08 |
| schestowitz | Slaves | Jan 20 03:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Jan 20 03:08 |
| schestowitz | Wage slaves | Jan 20 03:08 |
| schestowitz | Euphemisms are not worth it | Jan 20 03:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | yep. well reported -- horrifying | Jan 20 03:08 |
| schestowitz | "But we're giving them jobs" | Jan 20 03:08 |
| schestowitz | "Look, there's so thankful" | Jan 20 03:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | "and taking their passports." | Jan 20 03:09 |
| rnb | there is also outright slavery | Jan 20 03:09 |
| schestowitz | "Do you know how much money this is where they live?" | Jan 20 03:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: it's pretty close. | Jan 20 03:09 |
| rnb | yeah, when they take your passport, that's slavery | Jan 20 03:09 |
| schestowitz | "Wow! They finally have Macdonalds!" | Jan 20 03:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's de rigueur there | Jan 20 03:09 |
| schestowitz | Bliss! | Jan 20 03:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: fuck that. | Jan 20 03:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: what's bliss is that there are so few McD's here. | Jan 20 03:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: and a lot of real food. | Jan 20 03:09 |
| rnb | its a fuzzy line, some companies are legit and they "hold" your passport and you can legitimately get it anytime you want | Jan 20 03:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: mostly ethnic :D | Jan 20 03:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm | Jan 20 03:10 |
| rnb | then there are the "companies" that wont give it to you ... and THATS slavery | Jan 20 03:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | i smell a 4-ton RAT | Jan 20 03:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: tell me again why my employer needs my passport? | Jan 20 03:10 |
| rnb | "security" | Jan 20 03:10 |
| schestowitz | People give jobs to friends | Jan 20 03:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | actually it happens here | Jan 20 03:10 |
| rnb | it's a "service" they offer you | Jan 20 03:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | there's quite a scandal here | Jan 20 03:10 |
| schestowitz | Corporations look for people to exploit | Jan 20 03:10 |
| rnb | yeah, it happens here, too | Jan 20 03:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | there are sweatshops full of undoc workers here | Jan 20 03:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | and basements full of nannies without passports | Jan 20 03:11 |
| schestowitz | Coirporations have no friends | Jan 20 03:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | imported on false promises | Jan 20 03:11 |
| rnb | its very common in the ... live entertainment industry on the east coast | Jan 20 03:11 |
| schestowitz | They are not organisms with compassion, it's a balance sheet | Jan 20 03:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you mean Conservatives? or corporations :D | Jan 20 03:11 |
| schestowitz | It's easy for us to praise capitalisms like this for all it's glories | Jan 20 03:11 |
| rnb | "live entertainment for gentlemen" | Jan 20 03:11 |
| schestowitz | But it kind of sucks to be the "other" (90%) | Jan 20 03:11 |
| rnb | who the hell is praising capitalism? | Jan 20 03:12 |
| schestowitz | That's why it's necessary to rule by force | Jan 20 03:12 |
| schestowitz | To impose the NAFTA-type one-way channel of control | Jan 20 03:12 |
| schestowitz | And suppress resistance | Jan 20 03:12 |
| schestowitz | Russian too wanted that power | Jan 20 03:12 |
| schestowitz | Stalin was mad. | Jan 20 03:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Jan 20 03:12 |
| schestowitz | Look what RUssia did in east Europe | Jan 20 03:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | Holomodor is no bedtime story for children | Jan 20 03:13 |
| schestowitz | They crushed opposition | Jan 20 03:13 |
| rnb | stalin wasnt mad | Jan 20 03:13 |
| schestowitz | In Poland, Hungary... | Jan 20 03:13 |
| schestowitz | Just as bad. | Jan 20 03:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: ?? he was batshit crazy | Jan 20 03:13 |
| schestowitz | They could exploit South America too | Jan 20 03:13 |
| schestowitz | It's best for all nations not to be puppet state | Jan 20 03:13 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: in what way? | Jan 20 03:13 |
| schestowitz | Or offhore bases | Jan 20 03:13 |
| schestowitz | There are many offshore bases | Jan 20 03:14 |
| schestowitz | So it's still like cold war | Jan 20 03:14 |
| schestowitz | Countries pick sides | Jan 20 03:14 |
| schestowitz | Like in Risk | Jan 20 03:14 |
| schestowitz | They put bases | Jan 20 03:14 |
| schestowitz | And hotels and houses | Jan 20 03:14 |
| schestowitz | Monopoly | Jan 20 03:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: in many ways. not just what he did, but also personally nuts | Jan 20 03:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: alcoholic, too | Jan 20 03:14 |
| schestowitz | And this is then requiring putting pawns | Jan 20 03:14 |
| schestowitz | Not the pieces | Jan 20 03:14 |
| schestowitz | Pawn people | Jan 20 03:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: there's a recent book that gives a decent summary | Jan 20 03:14 |
| schestowitz | Like Bliar | Jan 20 03:14 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: eh, all russians are alkies | Jan 20 03:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: i can send it to you. schestowitz doesn't want paper books. | Jan 20 03:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: i know. | Jan 20 03:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: we were discussing Stalin | Jan 20 03:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: i worked for/with russians | Jan 20 03:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: i know their culture.. and life expectancy :) | Jan 20 03:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: if you think Stalin was sane, you're in for a surprie | Jan 20 03:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | se* | Jan 20 03:15 |
| schestowitz | People there loved him | Jan 20 03:16 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: i have deep criticisms of stalin's socialism but i also dont buy into the krushechev-based revisionism | Jan 20 03:16 |
| schestowitz | They were deceived | Jan 20 03:16 |
| schestowitz | All countries deceive to contain and maintain control | Jan 20 03:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: no, he was crazy. that's pretty well documented. | Jan 20 03:16 |
| schestowitz | They treat citizens like enemies from the inside | Jan 20 03:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: i can send you the book I mean, "Koba the Dread," Martin Amis. | Jan 20 03:16 |
| schestowitz | If control cannot be assured by force, then proaactively, by minds | Jan 20 03:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: remember, ex-Communist Amis. :) | Jan 20 03:16 |
| schestowitz | Controlling what's on TV is what made TVs such wonderful devices | Jan 20 03:16 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: the documentation regarding stalin is some of the worst historian work ever | Jan 20 03:17 |
| schestowitz | People speak less to peers and more to broadcast, and they receive no chance to participate | Jan 20 03:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: The Gulag Archipelago ?! | Jan 20 03:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: you should read the Amis | Jan 20 03:17 |
| schestowitz | Mass control machine | Jan 20 03:17 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: remember, when he was purged himself, the bureaucrats got to work re-writing history | Jan 20 03:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: I've never heard the Gulag Archipelago written off so easily :) | Jan 20 03:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: I'm referring to histories such as that. | Jan 20 03:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: not official histories. | Jan 20 03:17 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: so actual government documents were entirely re-written to fit the picture they wanted to portray | Jan 20 03:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: i've never read those documents. | Jan 20 03:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: i'm talking about more direct histories. | Jan 20 03:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: you have read the Archipelago?? | Jan 20 03:18 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: no, i havent | Jan 20 03:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | if not, it's an important book. | Jan 20 03:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | and as I say, i can send you this Amis, make up your own mind about it :) | Jan 20 03:19 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: any references on Stalin airbrushing history? | Jan 20 03:19 |
| schestowitz | In all hours of footage I didn't come across it | Jan 20 03:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: hm, i'd have to look that up. | Jan 20 03:19 |
| schestowitz | Some Russians want a "Strong leader" like him back | Jan 20 03:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's not a book I like to open. | Jan 20 03:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yes I am aware | Jan 20 03:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: there is definitely a Stalin cult alive and well there. | Jan 20 03:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | fucking idiots. | Jan 20 03:20 |
| schestowitz | They even put sculptures of him back up in some places | Jan 20 03:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | i know. | Jan 20 03:20 |
| schestowitz | Some are rejected, soma re not | Jan 20 03:20 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: ahhh, stalinism transformed russia/USSR | Jan 20 03:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | he's been rehabilitated by Putin. | Jan 20 03:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | which says more about Putin than anything else. | Jan 20 03:20 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: from a backwards-ass feudal country to a modern, industrialized country | Jan 20 03:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: ok, but you need to read these books you haven't yet:) | Jan 20 03:21 |
| schestowitz | Georgia atrocities | Jan 20 03:21 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: and vice-versa | Jan 20 03:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | impasse. | Jan 20 03:21 |
| rnb | hang on, i'll find you a url | Jan 20 03:21 |
| schestowitz | Still, nowhere like the neighbour across the Atlantic. | Jan 20 03:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: he was a genocidal maniac. | Jan 20 03:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | whatever else he did. | Jan 20 03:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: the holomodor is not exactly deniable | Jan 20 03:21 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: what's the number of casualties? | Jan 20 03:21 |
| schestowitz | One number I came across was 40 million | Jan 20 03:21 |
| schestowitz | Some say just 60k assassinations | Jan 20 03:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i've seen various numbers, there was more than one "event". let me crack the Amis | Jan 20 03:22 |
| schestowitz | Mao-60 million | Jan 20 03:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: those are ones who won't count the genocides, i guess. | Jan 20 03:22 |
| rnb | oh no! the PLP book on stalin might be offline! | Jan 20 03:23 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: i can understand why you think that | Jan 20 03:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: people use various jurisdictional tricks to avoid counting the ukrainian holomodor and the other atrocities, i guess. | Jan 20 03:23 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: but it's just not entirely true | Jan 20 03:23 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: certainly not genocidal | Jan 20 03:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: well, you've read a completely different history then | Jan 20 03:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: i suppose people try to say it wasn't due to Stalin | Jan 20 03:23 |
| rnb | well, you have to keep in mind a couple things: | Jan 20 03:24 |
| *FurnaceBoy hunts around for that book | Jan 20 03:24 | |
| rnb | 1) the USSR defeated the Nazis, at GREAT cost to themselves | Jan 20 03:25 |
| rnb | 2) there was an enormous population of Nazi-supporters living in the USSR, actively fighting from the inside to bring fascism to soviet russia | Jan 20 03:25 |
| rnb | 3) if the USSR had not industrialized at the rate that they did, they would have been massacred out of existence by fascism | Jan 20 03:26 |
| rnb | the whole "stalin killed x million people" is just garbage revisionism | Jan 20 03:27 |
| rnb | largely invented by a purge carried out against stalin and started way back when by leon trotsky, who certainly got what he deserved | Jan 20 03:27 |
| rnb | right in his ear | Jan 20 03:28 |
| rnb | hm, this is a little different so i'm not exactly sure what is here | Jan 20 03:28 |
| rnb | but, this is a good place to start: | Jan 20 03:28 |
| rnb | http://www.plp.org/books/ | Jan 20 03:28 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The Revolutionary Communist Progressive Labor Party - Books .::. Size~: 17.26 KB | Jan 20 03:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: "About 5 million died in the Ukraine, and about 2 million in the Kuban, Don and Volga regions and in Kazakhstan. These were formerly the richest agricultural lands in the USSR." -- that's just manufactured famines. | Jan 20 03:29 |
| rnb | CAVEAT: i'm not a stalinist, i have great criticisms of stalinism but i also reject the historical revisionism regarding stalin | Jan 20 03:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: this isn't revisionism. | Jan 20 03:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: this is first-hand history, not official writings | Jan 20 03:29 |
| rnb | oh yes, the ukraine | Jan 20 03:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes, the ukraine. | Jan 20 03:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | not Stalin? | Jan 20 03:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | if not him, who starved them? | Jan 20 03:30 |
| rnb | it was stalin dealing with an angry population of domestic Nazis | Jan 20 03:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | so which part do you disagree with? the number? | Jan 20 03:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | the responsibility? | Jan 20 03:30 |
| rnb | many of them starved during their war against the soviet state | Jan 20 03:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | do you know why they starved? | Jan 20 03:30 |
| rnb | i do | Jan 20 03:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | please explain | Jan 20 03:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | this was long before the war, of course. | Jan 20 03:31 |
| schestowitz | Stalin was at first a fan of Hitler | Jan 20 03:31 |
| rnb | he was never a fan of hitler | Jan 20 03:31 |
| schestowitz | They even signed a sort of peace deal | Jan 20 03:31 |
| schestowitz | Until the Germans attacked USSR | Jan 20 03:31 |
| schestowitz | rnb: he admired him | Jan 20 03:32 |
| rnb | the peace deal was the USSR's ONLY chance of buying themselves time to industrialize | Jan 20 03:32 |
| rnb | while the west really DID support the nazis | Jan 20 03:32 |
| rnb | so much so that IBM was operating in nazi germany | Jan 20 03:32 |
| rnb | etc | Jan 20 03:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | so how did 5 million ukrainians starve? | Jan 20 03:33 |
| rnb | to take a complex subject and try to quickly summarize it: | Jan 20 03:33 |
| rnb | the kulaks, who were the rich, ruling elite and were actively committing treason against their government in cooperation with the Nazi Regime ... | Jan 20 03:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | in 1933? | Jan 20 03:34 |
| rnb | ... went to the extent of armed insurrection against the USSR's policies of collectivizing | Jan 20 03:34 |
| rnb | yes, during the rise of fascism | Jan 20 03:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | and how did they starve exactly? 5 miln | Jan 20 03:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | just... voluntarily? | Jan 20 03:35 |
| rnb | it always bemuses me to hear liberals defending Nazi's | Jan 20 03:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | i am not | Jan 20 03:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | i am asking about the 5 million. | Jan 20 03:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | how/why did they starve? | Jan 20 03:35 |
| rnb | i'm not saying you are a liberal but ... i'm saying that the standard line against stalin is in defense of Nazis | Jan 20 03:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | i am hardly a fan of Nazis | Jan 20 03:36 |
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| FurnaceBoy | we can pass on the question I asked. | Jan 20 03:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | do you want the book? | Jan 20 03:36 |
| rnb | there was starvation because they sabotaged attempts at collectivization and began an insurrection against the Soviet state | Jan 20 03:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | why wasn't the food in Ukraine? | Jan 20 03:37 |
| rnb | when their insurrection started to fail, they realized that a side effect was that their serfs would starve to death | Jan 20 03:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | why did nobody assist? | Jan 20 03:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | the USA saved est 10 million in Lenin's forced famine. | Jan 20 03:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | so you agree that Stalin withheld the food to quell the insurrection. | Jan 20 03:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | on this point you'd agree with Amis. | Jan 20 03:37 |
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| rnb | you realize that many of the kulaks "rebelled" against collectivization by destroying their own means of production? | Jan 20 03:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | that isn't the cause of the famine. | Jan 20 03:38 |
| rnb | to the kulaks, they could give a shit -- at FIRST | Jan 20 03:38 |
| rnb | because it was only their serfs who were starving | Jan 20 03:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | the cause of the famine was policy | Jan 20 03:38 |
| rnb | that assertion is always proven wrong by one question | Jan 20 03:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | anyway i can send the book. | Jan 20 03:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | it includes references | Jan 20 03:39 |
| rnb | which is: why did the policy only cause this "mass famine" in the area controlled by Nazis who were engaged in insurrection against the USSR? | Jan 20 03:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | 5 million of them? | Jan 20 03:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | doesn't even make sense. | Jan 20 03:39 |
| rnb | why not? | Jan 20 03:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | you can't kill 5 million unless you mean to. | Jan 20 03:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | the government prevented assistance | Jan 20 03:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | (unlike in Lenin's forced famine) | Jan 20 03:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | collectivisation gave them the means to do this | Jan 20 03:40 |
| rnb | that's absurd, really... the whole lead-up to "de-kulakization" was in order to STOP the kulaks from sabotaging collectivization | Jan 20 03:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | so we have 5 million unlawful combatants/militants/insurgents? | Jan 20 03:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | or were they collateral damage? | Jan 20 03:41 |
| rnb | the kuklaks strategy was to create some starvation amongst their serfs | Jan 20 03:41 |
| rnb | and therefore erode support for the soviet policy | Jan 20 03:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | well this is all very interesting, but since the USSR had ample food, why didn't they prevent the famine, or allow an outside nation to, as in Lenin's time? | Jan 20 03:41 |
| rnb | and when i say kulaks, lets keep in mind that they were NAZIS | Jan 20 03:41 |
| rnb | and, in fact, this is even proven out today | Jan 20 03:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | sorry that word doesn't work on me. | Jan 20 03:41 |
| rnb | because they never really went away | Jan 20 03:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | there weren't 5 mln "nazis" in ukraine at this time | Jan 20 03:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | and even if there were, | Jan 20 03:42 |
| rnb | no, the ruling class (the kulaks) were nazi's | Jan 20 03:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | you're basically agreeing the famine was engineered. | Jan 20 03:42 |
| rnb | and they controlled the lives of the serfs in that region | Jan 20 03:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | there was. No. Food. in Ukraine. | Jan 20 03:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | USSR could have fed them | Jan 20 03:42 |
| rnb | there WAS | Jan 20 03:42 |
| rnb | it was sabotaged by the kulaks | Jan 20 03:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | there was nothing. 5mln died. | Jan 20 03:42 |
| rnb | stalin's attempt to end the famine was de-kulakization | Jan 20 03:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh well. if you want this book for the "revisionist" view of Stalin, happy to send it | Jan 20 03:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: Stalin attempted to END this famine? | Jan 20 03:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: now that 's a new one to me, and many others | Jan 20 03:43 |
| rnb | sure, i mean, this is the western view of stalinism, i'm quite familiar with it | Jan 20 03:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | i'll rustle up a copy of The Gulag Archipelago as well | Jan 20 03:44 |
| rnb | what isnt so common in the west is the soviet/russian version of history | Jan 20 03:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's pretty impossible to discuss this period without that | Jan 20 03:44 |
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| FurnaceBoy | i'll pass this convo to my russian ex-boss | Jan 20 03:44 |
| rnb | hell, even wikipedia is backing up what i'm saying | Jan 20 03:44 |
| rnb | Peasants were outraged by the thought of people abusing their tools/animals and using them as common property; they often retaliated against the state by smashing implements and killing animals. | Jan 20 03:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | Fair and Balanced indeed :) | Jan 20 03:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | this is beside the point. | Jan 20 03:45 |
| rnb | Many peasants chose to slaughter livestock, even horses, rather than being obliged to let their personal assets become common property. In the first two months of 1930 millions of cattle, horses, pigs, sheep, and goats were slaughtered. | Jan 20 03:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | all that is expected, familiar stuff. | Jan 20 03:45 |
| rnb | the point is that you can see what life under the kulaks would have been like by going to those regions today, because they have resurfaced | Jan 20 03:46 |
| rnb | corrupt cops with pictures of hitler on their wall | Jan 20 03:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | ok, well, thanks. | Jan 20 03:46 |
| rnb | massacring gypsies for being racially impure | Jan 20 03:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | do you want the books? | Jan 20 03:46 |
| rnb | sure | Jan 20 03:46 |
| rnb | do you want mine? | Jan 20 03:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | do you normally give away books? i do. | Jan 20 03:47 |
| rnb | you can just download mine: | Jan 20 03:47 |
| rnb | http://www.plp.org/books/ | Jan 20 03:47 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The Revolutionary Communist Progressive Labor Party - Books .::. Size~: 17.26 KB | Jan 20 03:47 |
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| FurnaceBoy | can we go back to discussing Nixon now? | Jan 20 03:49 |
| rnb | i also recommend this documentary: | Jan 20 03:49 |
| rnb | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1OyIJtjdpo | Jan 20 03:49 |
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| FurnaceBoy | actually in your view, Nixon has a much worse scorecard than Stalin... | Jan 20 03:49 |
| rnb | the latter half of it shows the kulak tradition | Jan 20 03:50 |
| rnb | well, i would say that stalin was a staunch anti-fascist | Jan 20 03:50 |
| rnb | whereas nixon and the bush family and other parts of that oligarchy were allies with the nazis | Jan 20 03:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: what's the worst thing Stalin did, in your view? | Jan 20 03:51 |
| rnb | his policy of socialism-in-one-country | Jan 20 03:51 |
| rnb | it was an absolutely terrible mistake | Jan 20 03:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: never ordered murders? | Jan 20 03:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: political opponents? etc | Jan 20 03:51 |
| schestowitz | Even from his own party | Jan 20 03:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | this Amis book is 300+ pages. only about 3 pages deal with the Holomodor. | Jan 20 03:52 |
| schestowitz | When they became a threat to his reign | Jan 20 03:52 |
| schestowitz | Esp. the sane ones | Jan 20 03:52 |
| rnb | yes, he ordered murders of fascist political opponents and, to be fair, he also order the murder of -some- people from the left-communist tendency, part not really | Jan 20 03:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: Kruschev alone is said to have killed 30,000 on Stalin's orders, here. | Jan 20 03:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: I do not doubt this is documented. Most of Amis is referenced. | Jan 20 03:53 |
| rnb | what's the source? | Jan 20 03:53 |
| rnb | documented by ... krushechev? | Jan 20 03:53 |
| rnb | who certainly had no motivation to lie, right? | Jan 20 03:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | let me find it. but there are dozens of such incidents mentioned here. | Jan 20 03:54 |
| rnb | except in his quest for absolute power | Jan 20 03:54 |
| trmanco | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8070790.stm | Jan 20 03:54 |
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| trmanco | read the last line | Jan 20 03:54 |
| rnb | i wont dispute that if you go on a case-by-case basis, there were unjust imprisonment and executions ordered by stalin | Jan 20 03:54 |
| rnb | but i think that the context is fundamentally misunderstood in the conventional western version | Jan 20 03:55 |
| rnb | keep in mind that during the 30s, the ruling elite of the capitalist west was allied with the fascists against the USSR | Jan 20 03:56 |
| rnb | that ruling elite had been at war with the soviet union, as the "whites", since 1917 | Jan 20 03:56 |
| rnb | i think you should read the books available at the url i sent | Jan 20 03:58 |
| rnb | and also check out the documentary, it was done by louis theroux's brother (if you know louis theroux, the BBC documentarian) | Jan 20 03:59 |
| tessier__ | rnb: What fascists would those be? The ones the west destroyed in WWII? | Jan 20 03:59 |
| rnb | tessier__: the west did not destroy the fascists. | Jan 20 03:59 |
| rnb | tessier__: the Red Army did | Jan 20 03:59 |
| tessier__ | IIRC the US and Soviets met in the middle of Berline having destroyed their share of fascists on each side | Jan 20 03:59 |
| tessier__ | Berlin | Jan 20 04:00 |
| rnb | tessier__: and they suffered greatly for it, a far greater cost than the US (whose ruling elite essentially created the rise of fascism in europe during the late 20s and 30s) | Jan 20 04:00 |
| tessier__ | rnb: Yes, they did suffer greatly for it. But lives were cheap for the Soviets. | Jan 20 04:01 |
| rnb | tessier__: of course. the Soviets are "less human" than USians | Jan 20 04:01 |
| tessier__ | As a people? No. As a government? Yes. | Jan 20 04:01 |
| tessier__ | Everywhere communism went lives were cheap. | Jan 20 04:01 |
| rnb | haha. ok. | Jan 20 04:02 |
| rnb | German fascism came to an end during the Battle of Berlin, which started in January 1945 | Jan 20 04:02 |
| rnb | it was the Red Army and the Germans, and the western powers were not really involved | Jan 20 04:03 |
| rnb | see -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Berlin | Jan 20 04:04 |
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| FurnaceBoy | rnb: I believe that figure refers to a specific massacre by the Cheka, who travelled to Kiev under command of Khrushchev, Molotov and Yazhov (1937). They were given a quota of 30,000 | Jan 20 04:05 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: they misspelled cumming | Jan 20 04:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | confessions, in this case) | Jan 20 04:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's not the reference i saw, though | Jan 20 04:05 |
| *FurnaceBoy continues to look | Jan 20 04:05 | |
| *FurnaceBoy hates opening this book | Jan 20 04:06 | |
| trmanco | l | Jan 20 04:06 |
| schestowitz | It was the Sovies storming Berlin | Jan 20 04:06 |
| trmanco | lol* | Jan 20 04:06 |
| schestowitz | it's them who found Hitler and his cronies dead | Jan 20 04:07 |
| tessier__ | They recently acknowledged that they had some of his remains. I think they still have a portion of his skull. | Jan 20 04:07 |
| schestowitz | it was later that Churchill, Roosevelt (IIRC) and Stalin sat together | Jan 20 04:08 |
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| schestowitz | tessier__: it's calcium.. | Jan 20 04:08 |
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| schestowitz | Protecting a defective mind... | Jan 20 04:09 |
| tessier__ | Yep | Jan 20 04:09 |
| tessier__ | Anyone know if the defective brain in Lenin's tomb is really Lenin? And whatever became of Stalin's defective mind? | Jan 20 04:09 |
| rnb | It should be noted that the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists from the moment of its creation by Yevgen Konovaletz in 1929 was tightly connected with the German military and political circles, and later with fascists, and was a malicious anti-Soviet and anti-Communist terrorist organization of a fascist type. | Jan 20 04:09 |
| rnb | Bandera and Shukhevich received training in fascist Italy in the special school of intelligence officers. Shukhevich, in 1937, after serving a term in the Polish prison for organizing, together with Bandera, the murder of the Minister of Internal Affairs of Poland B. Peratski (1934), undertook special courses in the German military academy in Munich. | Jan 20 04:10 |
| rnb | Melnyk was elected a leader of the OUN in 1939. Melnyk was an active agent of Abwehr under the nickname "Counsul-1", who for his anti-Soviet activity yeariy obtained from the German government 2-2.5 million marks. | Jan 20 04:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: "Even if we add the total losses of WWII (40-50mln) to the losses of the Holocaust (c.6 mln), we arrive at a figure which, apparently, Bolshevism can seriously rival. Civil War, Red Terror, famine; Collectivization accounted for perhaps 11 mln, Conquest suggests; Solzhenitsyn gives a figure...of 40-50 mln who were given long sentences in the Gulag from 1917-1953 (and many followed | Jan 20 04:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | after the brief Krushchev thaw); and then there is the Great Terror, the deportations of peoples in the '40s and '50s, Afghanistan, the "twenty million" begins to look more like the forty million." | Jan 20 04:11 |
| rnb | This part of the Organization of the Ukrainian Nationalists ("revolutionary", as they called it) was named OUN(b). | Jan 20 04:11 |
| rnb | Their primary tasks were: the overthrow of the Bolshevik regime in Ukraine; the deepening of connections with the states – enemies of communism: Germany, Italy and Japan; coordination of actions with the German army in the rear of the Red Army. | Jan 20 04:11 |
| tessier__ | FurnaceBoy: And on top of that consider the many purges in China which don't get talked about much. "Cultural Revolution" etc. | Jan 20 04:11 |
| tessier__ | Many millions lost. Tens or hundreds, I don't recall. But a lot. | Jan 20 04:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: "Conquest's figure for the executions in the Great Terror ... has gone up, and is close to a ferocious 2 million for 1937-38." | Jan 20 04:11 |
| tessier__ | The strange thing is that lives are being lost even today. | Jan 20 04:12 |
| *FurnaceBoy is still looking for the Krushchev reference. | Jan 20 04:12 | |
| FurnaceBoy | tessier__: exactly | Jan 20 04:12 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: so you believe that the USSR should not have opposed Nazi fascism in Ukraine? | Jan 20 04:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | tessier__: I rarely forget that :| | Jan 20 04:12 |
| tessier__ | When I go back to Vietnam and see the poor health so much of the country still suffers with...directly attributable to their corrupt government. | Jan 20 04:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: I'm quoting a text. | Jan 20 04:12 |
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| rnb | FurnaceBoy: it was wrong to go to war with Nazis? | Jan 20 04:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: I was discussing the famine. | Jan 20 04:13 |
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| rnb | FurnaceBoy: so am i | Jan 20 04:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: many believe it was engineered to , yes, quell an "insurrection" | Jan 20 04:13 |
| tessier__ | Right thing for the wrong reasons then? | Jan 20 04:13 |
| rnb | i think you would hear a different perspective in "File | Jan 20 04:13 |
| rnb | Fraud, Famine & Fascism: The Ukrainian Genocide Myth from Hitler to Harvard" | Jan 20 04:14 |
| rnb | http://www.plp.org/books/tottlefraud.pdf | Jan 20 04:14 |
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| schestowitz | tessier__: 60 million in china | Jan 20 04:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: are you disputing the numbers? or which part? | Jan 20 04:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | this has never really been clear... | Jan 20 04:15 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: i'm only saying -- i thought it was good to kill nazi's | Jan 20 04:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: 5 mln of them at a throw? | Jan 20 04:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: nazi women, children .. too ? | Jan 20 04:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | or it wasn't 5 mln? | Jan 20 04:16 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: have you heard of the Bombing of Dresden? | Jan 20 04:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | or what? | Jan 20 04:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: of course I have | Jan 20 04:16 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: was that wrong? | Jan 20 04:16 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: can kids be "Nazis"? | Jan 20 04:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | I've also heard of the bombing of Cambodia, Laos, Fallujah, and Gaza | Jan 20 04:16 |
| schestowitz | They don't understand politics | Jan 20 04:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: apparently they can | Jan 20 04:16 |
| schestowitz | It's like saying, "this child is a Muslim" | Jan 20 04:16 |
| schestowitz | "Hitler Youth" withstanding | Jan 20 04:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: well he is, look at him. future terrorist | Jan 20 04:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: my Russian ex-boss says you're trolling :) | Jan 20 04:17 |
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| rnb | FurnaceBoy: ok. i find there to be a big difference between the US invading vietnam, and the USSR defending itself against nazis | Jan 20 04:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: no | Jan 20 04:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: i did not say Vietnam | Jan 20 04:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: i said Cambodia and Laos | Jan 20 04:18 |
| rnb | even bigger difference | Jan 20 04:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: how many nazis were in Cambodia and Laos? | Jan 20 04:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: or Fallujah? | Jan 20 04:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | or Gaza? | Jan 20 04:18 |
| rnb | 0 | Jan 20 04:18 |
| rnb | and, before today, how many nazis did you think were in ukraine? | Jan 20 04:18 |
| rnb | BE HONEST. | Jan 20 04:18 |
| rnb | truth is, you didnt realize this context. right? | Jan 20 04:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: i'm not as obsessed about nazis as you are. | Jan 20 04:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: yet, no fan, withal | Jan 20 04:19 |
| rnb | fascism is central to the debate about stalin's policies in ukraine | Jan 20 04:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | i am sure it is. | Jan 20 04:19 |
| rnb | but, have you heard of this before? | Jan 20 04:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | what shall we say is central to debate about Cambodia, Laos, Fallujah, and Gaza? | Jan 20 04:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: I would ask you whether you have heard the theory that Stalin was a murdering madman before. There seems substantiation. | Jan 20 04:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: Ukraine or no Ukraine. | Jan 20 04:20 |
| rnb | certainly not defending our homes against fascist aggression | Jan 20 04:20 |
| rnb | that has nothing to do with the conflicts in cambodia, laos, fallujah or gaza | Jan 20 04:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh are you sure? | Jan 20 04:21 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: your position on stalin is the conventional western view. of course i've heard of it | Jan 20 04:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: you said Western/Russian | Jan 20 04:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | oups | Jan 20 04:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | sorry | Jan 20 04:21 |
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| FurnaceBoy | you said Western but not Russian | Jan 20 04:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | it doesn't appear to be alien to all Russians, either. | Jan 20 04:21 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: what is traditionally kept out of that history is that the USSR was engaged in a civil war against a fascist-backed army | Jan 20 04:22 |
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| FurnaceBoy | rnb: how do you explain the internal purges and Terrors, which obviously did not involve "Nazis"? | Jan 20 04:22 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: are we moving away from the debate about ukraine, then? | Jan 20 04:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | sure. because my premise was that he is a murdering madman who killed without much discrimination. | Jan 20 04:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's pretty well documented in this horrible book | Jan 20 04:23 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: if so, i absolutely disagree with stalin's policy of 'socialism-in-one-state' and everything that he did to support that policy | Jan 20 04:23 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: and that did include the imprisonment/execution of political opponents of that policy | Jan 20 04:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: there were a great number of executions. | Jan 20 04:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: i see figures here, 40,000 officers killed in 4 years. | Jan 20 04:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: you might say that he used fascist methods. he used state terror. | Jan 20 04:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: it's hard to refute that | Jan 20 04:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: The Gulags, for god's sake. | Jan 20 04:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: Solzhenitsyn (who was there) cites 40-50 million long, mostly fatal sentences | Jan 20 04:25 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: i'd have to see the source.. like i said, there was massive historical revisionism undertaken by stalin's opponents and it was very easy to do, given the way the soviet government was organized after WW2 | Jan 20 04:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: that source is Solzhenitsyn. I don't believe his book The Gulag Archipelago is seriously disputed except by the most diehard defender of the Terror | Jan 20 04:25 |
| tessier__ | If either of you have a point I have long since lost site of it. :) | Jan 20 04:25 |
| tessier__ | sight | Jan 20 04:25 |
| rnb | rnb: the gulags were largely filled with kulaks and other fascists who were attempting to overthrow the USSR | Jan 20 04:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | no, we're almost in agreement now. I'm satisfied that rnb admits he killed for political reasons. | Jan 20 04:26 |
| rnb | rnb: that's who made up the vast majority of the people in the gulags | Jan 20 04:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: 40-50 MILLION of them> | Jan 20 04:26 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: i've stated many times that i strongly disagree with stalin's policies | Jan 20 04:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: fine. if you agree that he killed/imprisoned for political purposes then i'm satisfied | Jan 20 04:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: the rest, we'll never agree on. | Jan 20 04:26 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: but i also strongly disagree with the historical revisionism carried out by capitalist/western historians | Jan 20 04:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: you keep saying that. | Jan 20 04:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: yet you haven't even read the RUSSIAN - Solzhenitsyn. | Jan 20 04:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: that is the definitive work on the Gulag. | Jan 20 04:27 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: have an open mind! at least peruse the books i sent you | Jan 20 04:27 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: i will say this -- stalin saved the world from fascism | Jan 20 04:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | actually there is a new history of the Gulag | Jan 20 04:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | that I have not read | Jan 20 04:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: right, but see above. I'm not interested in extracting more from you than that one point. | Jan 20 04:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: we can agree to disagree, since we have different sources | Jan 20 04:28 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: but it is the enormous context that is intentionally excluded from histories about stalin | Jan 20 04:28 |
| tessier__ | rnb: Your point is that Stalin saved the world from fascism? | Jan 20 04:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: his war with Nazism is not excluded from Amis | Jan 20 04:28 |
| rnb | tessier__: thats one of them, yes | Jan 20 04:28 |
| tessier__ | Solzhenitsyn is much better in the original Klingon. | Jan 20 04:29 |
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| FurnaceBoy | tessier__: LOL! | Jan 20 04:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | that;s hilarious | Jan 20 04:29 |
| *tessier__ bows | Jan 20 04:29 | |
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| tessier__ | And now here's Omar to tell us all about how it was really the Palistinians who saved the world from fascism! :) | Jan 20 04:29 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: my other main point is that the war against the kulaks was a righteous war | Jan 20 04:29 |
| tessier__ | rnb: Who were the Kulaks? I am not familiar with them. | Jan 20 04:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] tessier__ | Solzhenitsyn is much better in the original Klingon. | Jan 20 04:30 | |
| FurnaceBoy | tessier__: I had to tweet what you said. attributed | Jan 20 04:30 |
| tessier__ | FurnaceBoy: hehe | Jan 20 04:30 |
| rnb | tessier__: the Nazi-supported ruling elite of ukraine, who did not want their feudal society taken away from them by the USSR | Jan 20 04:30 |
| rnb | tessier__: when you hear about the "millions of victims of stalin," you are hearing about the kulaks | Jan 20 04:31 |
| tessier__ | rnb: Ah. Yes, Hitler really hated communism (but what didn't he hate?) and it isn't surprising that he would support them. | Jan 20 04:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: hm | Jan 20 04:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: how about the possibility that ukraine is not a natural member of the USSR? | Jan 20 04:31 |
| tessier__ | rnb: I'm not sure I buy that all of those millions were fascists. | Jan 20 04:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | tessier__: of course they weren't | Jan 20 04:31 |
| rnb | the "millions" figure needs to be qualified | Jan 20 04:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | does it? | Jan 20 04:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | why? | Jan 20 04:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | why qualify that, and not the 6 million? | Jan 20 04:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | or the 3-4 million in Vietnam | Jan 20 04:32 |
| rnb | because the documentation is extraordinarily controversial, to begin with | Jan 20 04:32 |
| rnb | second, | Jan 20 04:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: which is to say "you don't believe it" | Jan 20 04:33 |
| rnb | many of those millions died from famines that had plagued soviet russia several times since 1917 | Jan 20 04:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: Lenin also manufactured famine. | Jan 20 04:33 |
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| rnb | largely caused by the civil war and the invasion of the USSR by 14 foreign powers | Jan 20 04:33 |
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| rnb | FurnaceBoy: to state so matter-of-factly that "Lenin/Stalin manufactured famine" as if you are stating the law of gravity, this is the problem i have | Jan 20 04:34 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: it just is not that black-and-white | Jan 20 04:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: you assume there is no documentation | Jan 20 04:34 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: no, i dont. i'm saying the documentation -shows- that it is not so black-and-white | Jan 20 04:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | "it is asserted that Lenin..." | Jan 20 04:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | but, nm, this argument has run its course. | Jan 20 04:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | i need to concentrate on other stuff | Jan 20 04:35 |
| rnb | i'm 100% familiar with your POV | Jan 20 04:35 |
| rnb | all i'm asking is that you have an open mind about another POV | Jan 20 04:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | Gates is Stalin! | Jan 20 04:36 |
| rnb | nothing wrong with that, is there? | Jan 20 04:36 |
| rnb | dont you want to learn and think about history? | Jan 20 04:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | brb | Jan 20 04:37 |
| rnb | or do you just want to stick to a particular dogmatic view of history? | Jan 20 04:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | ... | Jan 20 04:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | you tend to colour outside the lines of the argument. | Jan 20 04:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | with comments like that | Jan 20 04:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | you've said your piece, you don't have to label me dogmatic along with that | Jan 20 04:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | very presumptive about my thinking | Jan 20 04:38 |
| trmanco | almost time to nuke my box | Jan 20 04:39 |
| rnb | ok, fair enough | Jan 20 04:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Jan 20 04:39 |
| rnb | it's just been my experience that even people who have thoroughly studied russian history in universities, etc | Jan 20 04:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | i know how you feel | Jan 20 04:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | beleive me | Jan 20 04:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | ie* | Jan 20 04:40 |
| rnb | they just dont understand that the vast majority of the "victims of stalin" were the people on the other side of Soviet/Nazi civil war in Ukraine | Jan 20 04:40 |
| rnb | they've never heard of it before | Jan 20 04:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, you conceded my main point. | Jan 20 04:41 |
| rnb | text books intentionally exclude it, just like they exclude the Bush Family's collaboration with the Nazis | Jan 20 04:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | without even entering ukraine. | Jan 20 04:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | which was about political murder. | Jan 20 04:41 |
| rnb | you know what is exciting | Jan 20 04:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | and imprisonment | Jan 20 04:41 |
| rnb | oliver stone is currently producing a History of the 20th Century | Jan 20 04:41 |
| rnb | in which he addresses another view of the 20th century which exposes the US ruling class's affiliation with fascism | Jan 20 04:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes i heard | Jan 20 04:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | i am actually optimistic about this | Jan 20 04:42 |
| rnb | and how stalin's rule was mainly characterized by his conflict against fascism | Jan 20 04:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | even Amis' book is mainly about this juxtaposition. | Jan 20 04:43 |
| rnb | most people dont realize that the USSR was immediately invaded by 14 foreign powers | Jan 20 04:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | but framed obviously more as "Stalin" versus "enemies of Stalin: | Jan 20 04:43 |
| rnb | they MAYBE know about the "whites" | Jan 20 04:43 |
| rnb | but they dont know who the "whites" were .. i.e. the US, the UK, etc | Jan 20 04:43 |
| rnb | of course, thats the western view... Stalin vs. enemies of Stalin | Jan 20 04:44 |
| rnb | my point is that the enemies of Stalin were enemies of humanity | Jan 20 04:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | hm | Jan 20 04:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's not good enough | Jan 20 04:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | to summarise like that. | Jan 20 04:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | Stalin had his good chop at humanity as well. | Jan 20 04:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | it was a horrible period. | Jan 20 04:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's as if you entirely exclude the Gulag | Jan 20 04:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | the Terrors, and the Purges, and the Famines | Jan 20 04:46 |
| rnb | the period between WW1 and WW2? yes, it was a horrible period | Jan 20 04:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | your view excludes them all. | Jan 20 04:46 |
| rnb | omg | Jan 20 04:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes that period. | Jan 20 04:46 |
| rnb | i will again repeat | Jan 20 04:46 |
| rnb | i strongly disagree with stalin's socialist strategy | Jan 20 04:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | i KNOW YOUR DISCLAIMER. | Jan 20 04:46 |
| rnb | well then how does my view "exclude them all" ?? | Jan 20 04:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | but yo9u don't even mention or discuss those events. | Jan 20 04:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | with specifics | Jan 20 04:47 |
| rnb | what do you want me to say? | Jan 20 04:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | just a sec | Jan 20 04:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | call | Jan 20 04:48 |
| rnb | well, i need to go.. i'll summarize with this: | Jan 20 04:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | ok | Jan 20 04:53 |
| rnb | 1) i dont agree that the trials of pyatakov & trotsky were "show trials," | Jan 20 04:53 |
| rnb | 2) i dont agree that the trial of zinoviev was a "show trial," | Jan 20 04:54 |
| rnb | 3) i support the war against the whites -- they were foreign, capitalist aggressors, | Jan 20 04:54 |
| rnb | 4) i support the war against the kulaks -- they were ruling-class fascists directly funded by the Nazis, | Jan 20 04:55 |
| rnb | 5) i do not believe the historical evidence supports black-and-white statements like "Stalin manufactured a famine" (or Lenin) | Jan 20 04:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | well. i have some discussion on point 4.. but it'll have to wait | Jan 20 04:56 |
| rnb | 6) i strongly disagree with stalin's policy of socialism-in-one-country but i understand why he went that way, | Jan 20 04:56 |
| rnb | 7) i believe there is strong historical evidence that the purge of stalin involved massive disinformation and fabrication of evidence, | Jan 20 04:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | Solzhenitsyn is somewhat immune to that | Jan 20 04:58 |
| rnb | 8) the Red Army, under Stalin, saved the world from fascism after the capitalist west dangerously put the world on an insane path towards a global slave state based on concepts of racial superiority that meshed perfectly with the UK/US/Europe's vision of their racial superiority over their colonies, | Jan 20 04:59 |
| rnb | 9) i support the war against Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy and Imperial Japan, | Jan 20 05:00 |
| rnb | 10) stalin ordered executions but they are VASTLY overstated by western history, and totally taken out of context, and that the incidents should be looked at on a case-by-case basis, rather than a sweeping generealization | Jan 20 05:01 |
| rnb | thats it | Jan 20 05:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | yeah but how many THOUSAND executions do you need before you conclude he's a monster? | Jan 20 05:02 |
| rnb | what executions are you talking about? | Jan 20 05:02 |
| rnb | "a monster" ... | Jan 20 05:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | this book discusses hundreds of thousands. inside Russia | Jan 20 05:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | even just the Army alone | Jan 20 05:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | Gulag : millions of deaths | Jan 20 05:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | political prisoners | Jan 20 05:03 |
| rnb | there was a -civil war- in russia | Jan 20 05:03 |
| rnb | people die in wars | Jan 20 05:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | Fallujah. Cambodia. Laos. | Jan 20 05:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | so Stalin fought a Just War. | Jan 20 05:03 |
| rnb | it was largely a war against fascists and the white armies | Jan 20 05:03 |
| rnb | do you not believe in just wars? | Jan 20 05:04 |
| rnb | are you a pacifist? | Jan 20 05:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | heh | Jan 20 05:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | whether i do or not does not change what Stalin did | Jan 20 05:04 |
| rnb | fallujah, cambodia, laos -- not just wars | Jan 20 05:04 |
| rnb | war against hitler? just. | Jan 20 05:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | what were they exactly? | Jan 20 05:04 |
| rnb | war against kulaks? just. | Jan 20 05:04 |
| rnb | what were what? | Jan 20 05:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | fallujah, cambodia, laos | Jan 20 05:06 |
| rnb | capitalist, imperialist aggressions (and illegal under international law) | Jan 20 05:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: the latter two are also, afaik, domestically illegal and unconstitutional | Jan 20 05:07 |
| rnb | yeah | Jan 20 05:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | boggles the mind | Jan 20 05:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | the scale, the chutzpah | Jan 20 05:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | yet all forgotten now | Jan 20 05:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://twitter.com/saintpaul007/status/7975734837 | Jan 20 05:09 |
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| rnb | my whole life is dedicated to opposing it | Jan 20 05:09 |
| rnb | christ, why is this channel publicly logged?? :) | Jan 20 05:10 |
| rnb | ok, i need to go now | Jan 20 05:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | tchau cara | Jan 20 05:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | boa noite | Jan 20 05:11 |
| rnb | good night to you, and good night to good old Uncle Joe, wherever he may be! | Jan 20 05:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://twitter.com/BibleAlsoSays/status/7975193132 | Jan 20 05:19 |
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| rnb | and i'm not a damn stalinist! | Jan 20 05:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | ohhkay | Jan 20 05:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://twitter.com/saintpaul007/status/7976393897 | Jan 20 05:39 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | Hiding From Google http://tinyurl.com/y9vo5wo | Jan 20 06:07 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | rnb: on a lighter note http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomgauld/4287809026/ | Jan 20 06:08 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] "drawing unwanted attention 2 forced evictions" RT @madhusudancs: Is China making a joker out of itself? #avatar http://bit.ly/5qbNSR | Jan 20 06:21 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] One thing about @Twitter. It's a pretty hot kitchen. Ergo it won't attract or keep all personalities. Same as #irc or even #usenet I guess. | Jan 20 06:33 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] qu1j0t3 Maybe #email is the only "cool" medium. More space to think and explain? And not in public. | Jan 20 06:33 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Maybe #email is the only "cool" medium. More space to think and explain? And not in public. | Jan 20 06:34 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Really wish they'd give me that Correction button though. #iwish | Jan 20 06:34 | |
| FurnaceBoy | http://twitter.com/saintpaul007/status/7976962862 | Jan 20 06:35 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #omg Caitlin Flanagan is an offensive, clueless twit. http://oaklandlocal.com/node/4319/382 hardly even worth rebutting such stupidities | Jan 20 06:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] When yr main incentive is to do things cheaply,vs doing them right, #food safety problems are inevitable (@tomphilpott) http://bit.ly/8aLa3B | Jan 20 06:42 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: After another massive recall, will the beef industry grope for techno fixes? | Grist .::. Size~: 33.04 KB | Jan 20 06:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | who was it saying E. coli is a harmless gut bacterium? it is, but not all strains : http://www.grist.org/article/2010-01-19-meat-wagon-techno-fic/ | Jan 20 06:44 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: After another massive recall, will the beef industry grope for techno fixes? | Grist .::. Size~: 33.04 KB | Jan 20 06:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | also see, "Food Inc." | Jan 20 06:44 |
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| ender2070 | lol new poll | Jan 20 06:58 |
| ender2070 | www.pwnage.ca | Jan 20 06:58 |
| Eruaran | I've changed my mind about the future of Gnome | Jan 20 07:05 |
| Eruaran | I think if things get much worse that Red Hat will fork, Fedora will naturally do the same. | Jan 20 07:06 |
| Eruaran | And in the long term more people will rally behind the fork of Gnome than Microvell-DeIcaza-Gnome-libs | Jan 20 07:08 |
| Eruaran | The GNU heart of Gnome will find itself again | Jan 20 07:08 |
| Eruaran | Let De Icaza and his friends at Redmond have their bastardized Mono-Moonlight-Ballnux-lovechild | Jan 20 07:09 |
| Eruaran | I think a fork would be a good thing | Jan 20 07:10 |
| Eruaran | the truly Free as in Freedom community will rally behind GNU-Gnome and probably find a new impetus and energy with the badness purged | Jan 20 07:11 |
| Eruaran | once you remove the turmoil and confusion within you could release a lot of creative energy | Jan 20 07:11 |
| Eruaran | Look at KDE - no confusion - a strong stand on Free Software - great community with vision and highly motivated | Jan 20 07:12 |
| Eruaran | Moving forward | Jan 20 07:12 |
| Eruaran | Gnome, purged of the assholes who are working for Microsoft's agenda, could be just as energized | Jan 20 07:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sankarshan: Good blog on debunking GNOME 3 myths: http://bit.ly/5tzyI2 #gnome | Jan 20 07:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Censorship dismissed in 2 evasive lines in puff piece on #Baidu http://reuters.com/article/idUSTOE60H01S20100120 Owner perfectly compliant | Jan 20 07:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Baidu owner apparently likes money and staying out of jail. #China #censorship http://reuters.com/article/idUSTOE60H01S20100120 | Jan 20 07:13 | |
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| ender2070 | why not just push KDE | Jan 20 07:14 |
| ender2070 | :D | Jan 20 07:14 |
| ender2070 | it is better anyways | Jan 20 07:15 |
| Eruaran | Well I agree | Jan 20 07:15 |
| Eruaran | But I don't really want to see Gnome become roadkill in Microsoft's quest for the destruction of GNU/Linux | Jan 20 07:16 |
| Eruaran | And healthy competition is well... healthy | Jan 20 07:16 |
| ender2070 | it was started by someone who is now a ms mvp | Jan 20 07:16 |
| Eruaran | indeed | Jan 20 07:17 |
| ender2070 | xfce is more of a competitor | Jan 20 07:17 |
| ender2070 | lxde | Jan 20 07:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@JPBarlow America is a 2 party system // why on Earth stop at 2 parties (especially when both are useless) | Jan 20 07:17 | |
| ender2070 | e17 | Jan 20 07:17 |
| Eruaran | I like e17 | Jan 20 07:17 |
| Eruaran | rasterman needs more people helping though | Jan 20 07:18 |
| ender2070 | e17 final comes with duke nukem forever | Jan 20 07:18 |
| Eruaran | maybe you're right | Jan 20 07:18 |
| Eruaran | :O | Jan 20 07:18 |
| Eruaran | omg | Jan 20 07:18 |
| Eruaran | teh pwnage | Jan 20 07:18 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jan 20 07:19 |
| Eruaran | ;) | Jan 20 07:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] randombit is giving away a couple of pci crypto cards. interested? http://advogato.org/person/randombit/diary/22.html | Jan 20 07:19 | |
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| ender2070 | www.pwnage.ca | Jan 20 07:19 |
| Eruaran | I will finally get around to installing Arch on my other system tonight I think | Jan 20 07:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@hotdogsladies Liberal outrage seems to really heat up about 36 hours after it might have been useful. // don't you mean 36 years? | Jan 20 07:20 | |
| Eruaran | The Mandriva install turned out pretty good | Jan 20 07:21 |
| Eruaran | I think the customer will be quite happy | Jan 20 07:21 |
| ender2070 | I think satanic edition includes all the mono packages in the default install | Jan 20 07:23 |
| ender2070 | i could be wrong though | Jan 20 07:24 |
| ender2070 | ubuntu satanic edition | Jan 20 07:24 |
| Eruaran | Even the devil has better taste I'm sure | Jan 20 07:25 |
| Eruaran | Should do a cartoon showing the devil installing a new package on Ubuntu, seeing mono dependencies being installed and saying, "WTF?" | Jan 20 07:26 |
| Eruaran | And then you see a newspaper front page | Jan 20 07:27 |
| Eruaran | MICROSOFT SAYS SATAN USING OUR PATENTED IP | Jan 20 07:27 |
| Eruaran | Subheading: Files in Texas court | Jan 20 07:28 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jan 20 07:32 |
| Eruaran | Devil to his minions: "Destroy them... but leave Monsanto alone, I have use for them" | Jan 20 07:36 |
| Eruaran | Interviewer to Devil: "Why do you use Linux?" | Jan 20 07:38 |
| Eruaran | Devil: "My GEMS (Global Evil Management Solution) runs nice on Ubuntu, and I have Compiz, looksee!" | Jan 20 07:39 |
| Eruaran | probably should quit while I'm ahead... | Jan 20 07:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] A glance at newsgroup stats shows #Tcl's heyday was around 2000. http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.tcl/about #programming #scripting | Jan 20 07:48 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@Vonster Ha! That #Bing logo is such an amazingly artless piece of junk. How did it even get *through*? Nobody's watching the farm | Jan 20 07:54 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "I would like to boycot #Kraft/#Cadbury, the problem is I don't like any of their products. It wouldn't carry much conviction" AdamAsker #uk | Jan 20 07:55 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @exitthelemming After #Cadbury board rolls over,some vitriolic balm in the comments http://bit.ly/6BJ9Ja //great comments! Boycott #kraft | Jan 20 08:15 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Am closing Royal Bank of #Canada accts. Environment-conscious Canadians: consider leaving #RBC! http://www.peaceculture.org/drupal/node/252 | Jan 20 08:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] In #Canada? Switch banks away from environmental disaster #RBC. http://climatefriendlybanking.com/switch_banks/ | Jan 20 08:22 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@ballardian I've seen that guy's muddleheaded nonsense before: http://jayweidner.com/AlchemicalKubrickIIa.html #kubrick #apollo | Jan 20 08:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Why Governments Should Ban Microsoft Internet Explorer http://bit.ly/67u1He | Jan 20 08:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC News - Belfast IT firm Parity creates 94 new jobs - another MS partner http://tinyurl.com/ya6487q | Jan 20 09:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] FBI 'fabricated terror emergencies to get phone records' | World news | The Guardian OMFG! http://tinyurl.com/ykuxjtr | Jan 20 09:43 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/20/opera_and_mozilla_download_uptick_post_ie_warnings/ | Jan 20 09:56 |
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| DaemonFC | looks like IE might lose more than the typical 1% chunk for this month | Jan 20 09:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] #shotofjaq needs extended editions for the constipated among the listenership....jus' sayin' ;) | Jan 20 10:01 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHESaZp37g8&feature=fvw | Jan 20 10:16 |
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| DaemonFC | I like the Strawberry Twinkies | Jan 20 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | I wish they'd bring those back | Jan 20 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twinkie | Jan 20 10:23 |
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| DaemonFC | natures perfect food | Jan 20 10:23 |
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| DaemonFC | I did freeze and deep fry one and had it explode once | Jan 20 10:24 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twinkie_defense | Jan 20 10:27 |
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| DaemonFC | America is probably the only western country where you can kill two people, blame it on eating Twinkies, and get off with a slap on the wrist | Jan 20 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | If I ever murder someone, I'm gonna load up on Twinkies and Coca-Cola first | Jan 20 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | see if I can get manslaughter | Jan 20 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | "The rights of victims pervade the criminal justice system, encompassing not only the right to restitution from the wrongdoers for financial losses suffered as a result of criminal acts, but also the more basic expectation that persons who commit felonious acts causing injury to innocent victims will be appropriately detained in custody, tried by the courts, and sufficiently punished so that... | Jan 20 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | ...the public safety is protected and encouraged as a goal of highest importance." | Jan 20 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | you don't see that language in a voter initiative anymore | Jan 20 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | now it's "Click here cause Jesus wants to take all the rights away from the gays" | Jan 20 10:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/2/hi/technology/8469621.stm | Jan 20 10:40 |
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| Diablo-D3 | orly? | Jan 20 10:40 |
| Eruaran | I just watched District 9 | Jan 20 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | Eruaran: Of all the places, they land over South Africa in 1982 | Jan 20 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | that's going to go well | Jan 20 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 20 10:42 |
| Eruaran | heh | Jan 20 10:42 |
| DaemonFC | I do feel that there was an accurate portrayal of Nigerians | Jan 20 10:42 |
| DaemonFC | I'm surprised it was allowed in theaters | Jan 20 10:42 |
| DaemonFC | well, except in Nigeria, but who cares? | Jan 20 10:43 |
| Eruaran | Yes, if I was an alien and had any idea about South Africa I would have looked down from my crippled ship and said, "well... this is going to suck" | Jan 20 10:43 |
| DaemonFC | I would have observed which country was used to taking in persons who didn't belong thee | Jan 20 10:43 |
| DaemonFC | and the best place to land in that country | Jan 20 10:43 |
| DaemonFC | and I would have picked California | Jan 20 10:43 |
| DaemonFC | right over Los Angeles | Jan 20 10:44 |
| Eruaran | I didn't get the impression they had a chioce | Jan 20 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | well, the fact that they could still navigate well enough to get to Earth means that they probably could have picked where to land within 5,000-6,000 miles | Jan 20 10:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | Eruaran: you do realize the aliens _were_ the black people, right? | Jan 20 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3: Nooooooooo | Jan 20 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | they didn't lay that metaphor down thickly enough | Jan 20 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 20 10:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | Eruaran: go read the story about district six | Jan 20 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Diablo-D3, but...... | Jan 20 10:46 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #BillGates joins #Twitter, soon to surpass Ashton Kutcher as King #Douchebag http://ur1.ca/k916 #microsoft | Jan 20 10:46 | |
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| DaemonFC | do you ever wonder how 17% of the population rules and victimizes 83%? | Jan 20 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | apartheid was some bullshit just because of that | Jan 20 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | the black people being herded from their homes like cattle outnumbered the white people by more than 4-1 | Jan 20 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | revolt, anyone? Hello? | Jan 20 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | if you outnumber the enemy by 4-1 and can't stage an effective revolution, you deserve whatever you get | Jan 20 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | Sure you could say "But some of them would be killed trying to free themselves" and you'd be right | Jan 20 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | But 600,000 white people died in the US Civil War, and just under half were fighting against the government promoting slavery | Jan 20 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | if 300,000 white Americans can die pursuing someone else's freedom, why were the South African black civilians too afraid to cause their government some hell? | Jan 20 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | for their own freedom | Jan 20 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | the fact that they were passive enough to allow that to go on for 46 years just says something | Jan 20 10:53 |
| Eruaran | There is another question also | Jan 20 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | and another thing | Jan 20 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | Who was selling the black slaves to the slave traders? | Jan 20 10:54 |
| Eruaran | How is it possible that a minority could keep the majority down for so long ? What strategies were used ? | Jan 20 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | other black people in Africa made killing in whacking their neighbors over the head and selling them to Confederate slavers | Jan 20 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | there's still African countries I believe where they enslave themselves | Jan 20 10:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | money and rape. | Jan 20 10:55 |
| Eruaran | People will sell their own organs for money, why not your neighbours ? | Jan 20 10:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | the age old methods | Jan 20 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | yeehaw | Jan 20 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | Eruaran: You'll never hear in the American so-called educational system about that | Jan 20 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | it's not pc that black people betrayed and sold other black people to the Confederacy | Jan 20 10:56 |
| Eruaran | I don't think betrayal is confined to a particular race. | Jan 20 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | well, that they did it to each other anyway | Jan 20 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | they want to make you believe that white Americans from the Confederate south went over there and whacked them over the heads and dragged them back to the slave ships | Jan 20 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | that way it was white people committing the crime end to end | Jan 20 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | you get what I meant now? | Jan 20 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not denying that their part in it was wrong, but they had accomplices who were black, selling them black slaves | Jan 20 10:58 |
| Eruaran | I wouldn't know, I wasn't brought up in the US education system. | Jan 20 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | Eruaran: In the US educational system, a child is only taught about the crimes and atrocities committed to minorities by white people, and white people always acted alone | Jan 20 10:59 |
| DaemonFC | and were never provoked | Jan 20 10:59 |
| DaemonFC | they omit anything bad they could say about a minority group, or the fact that some in that group might have betrayed the others | Jan 20 11:00 |
| DaemonFC | for financial gain usually, or possibly higher standing for themselves at that time in society | Jan 20 11:00 |
| DaemonFC | the liberal educational agenda in the US is Minority = Perfect/Angelic and the rest of us should all be ashamed for what happened 160 years ago | Jan 20 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | pay reparations even | Jan 20 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | it would even be comical if it wasn't so horrifying | Jan 20 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | You can't raise your hand in class and say "My mommy and daddy pay taxes to give them their food stamps and AFDC cash! Is that reparations?" | Jan 20 11:03 |
| DaemonFC | we've been paying for bringing them here ever since we got them, and I'm sorry if any of my ancestors had the idea to bring them | Jan 20 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | they never shut up about it, ever | Jan 20 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | you can flip on the TV today and have someone standing there talking (seriously) about reparations for the Civil War era | Jan 20 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | Eruaran: I don't think that bs would last long in South Africa | Jan 20 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | in the US, the next 100 generations will be hearing about this | Jan 20 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | we'll be out there colonizing other planets and SOMEONE will bring it up | Jan 20 11:06 |
| Eruaran | Sounds like one of my ex-girlfriends | Jan 20 11:07 |
| DaemonFC | I do think is was funny that since District 9 was made in South Africa, they were able to portray the Nigerians that way | Jan 20 11:07 |
| DaemonFC | if it was an American movie and we portrayed Mexicans like that, guess what would happen | Jan 20 11:08 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 20 11:08 |
| DaemonFC | the Mexicans are eating them and practicing voodoo, and they're all arms dealers | Jan 20 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | and they all live in the slums | Jan 20 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | now replace "Mexicans" with "Nigerians" and you got District 9 | Jan 20 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | apparently they don't worry about hurting feelings over there in South Africa :) | Jan 20 11:10 |
| Eruaran | I don't know much about Nigerians. Except that they are often involved with Muslim terrorist groups and phising scams. | Jan 20 11:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, they're black. | Jan 20 11:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | most of them anyways. | Jan 20 11:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/TechandScience/Story/STIStory_479260.html http://chiefofficers.net/888333888/cms/index.php/news/industries/infotech_comms/it_security/internet_security_more_countries_join_ie_warningb "Are you Australian? Yes? It's your patriotic duty to dump Microsoft!" | Jan 20 11:19 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Patriotic Duty to Abandon #Microsoft http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/20/new-zealand-australia-vs-msie/ #msie | Jan 20 11:20 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Aputure now has a portable LCD viewfinder for many cameras. uses camera's USB and TV-Out http://ur1.ca/k92c | Jan 20 11:21 | |
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| DaemonFC | Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel | Jan 20 11:23 |
| DaemonFC | Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious | Jan 20 11:23 |
| DaemonFC | \:) | Jan 20 11:23 |
| Eruaran | Only when patriotism is easy. | Jan 20 11:23 |
| DaemonFC | Eruaran: Yeah, notice they all dodge conscription cause they're rich and well connected | Jan 20 11:24 |
| DaemonFC | and then 20-30 years later they're an uber-patriotic politician | Jan 20 11:25 |
| DaemonFC | Texas Air National Guard, "Other priorities" | Jan 20 11:25 |
| DaemonFC | "I had other priorities in the '60s than military service." -Dick Cheney | Jan 20 11:27 |
| cubezzz | chicken hawk is the term | Jan 20 11:28 |
| DaemonFC | he's a coward | Jan 20 11:28 |
| DaemonFC | then the fuckers go on to make fun of John Kerry, who actually went to Vietnam and fought | Jan 20 11:29 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.220.ro/9BwYMa5yAY/Married-With-Children-01x01-Pilot | Jan 20 11:31 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Married With Children - 01x01 - Pilot .::. Size~: 77.59 KB | Jan 20 11:31 |
| DaemonFC | unaired pilot | Jan 20 11:31 |
| DaemonFC | I miss that electric fence my neighbors used to have when I lived out in the middle of nowhere | Jan 20 11:42 |
| DaemonFC | when my back felt like this, I'd just go out and grab the fence | Jan 20 11:42 |
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| schestowitz | Re: who are behind openDesktop.org ? | Jan 20 12:04 |
| schestowitz | > Is this good or bad for "Linux/KDE", who is behind it, | Jan 20 12:04 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 20 12:04 |
| schestowitz | > "Open-PC is a completely open computer" | Jan 20 12:04 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 20 12:04 |
| schestowitz | > "openDesktop.org is maintained by h i v e 01 GmbH, a company based in Germany" | Jan 20 12:05 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 20 12:05 |
| schestowitz | > http://open-pc.com/help/about.php | Jan 20 12:05 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: About us Open-PC.com .::. Size~: 39.42 KB | Jan 20 12:05 |
| schestowitz | Any idea? | Jan 20 12:05 |
| DaemonFC | http://bit.ly/5o6g5G | Jan 20 12:05 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Amazon.com: Altec Lansing FX3022 Expressionist BASS 2-Way Speaker for PC and MP3 (Black): Electronics .::. Size~: 438.04 KB | Jan 20 12:05 |
| DaemonFC | I may get those, that's a good price | Jan 20 12:05 |
| cubezzz | Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950 | Jan 20 12:10 |
| cubezzz | anyone know any benchmarks for that? | Jan 20 12:10 |
| cubezzz | and it's only an atom, meh | Jan 20 12:10 |
| DaemonFC | GMA 950 sucks | Jan 20 12:11 |
| DaemonFC | might play games from 2004 or earlier | Jan 20 12:11 |
| DaemonFC | if that's what you meant | Jan 20 12:11 |
| cubezzz | I can only assume that someone has ported KDE to ARM ...? | Jan 20 12:11 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't use any Intel chipset in preference to any card more than $30 | Jan 20 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 20 12:12 |
| cubezzz | and I was also wondering do modern video cards still support 4:3 monitors, like 800x600 and 1024x768 res? | Jan 20 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | if that says anything | Jan 20 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | yes, they come with a DVI to VGA adapter | Jan 20 12:12 |
| cubezzz | I don't really like the 16:10 stuff | Jan 20 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | and will go down to 800 x 600 | Jan 20 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't used VGA in a couple of yours, myself | Jan 20 12:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | why would you have to port kde to arm? | Jan 20 12:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | it should already work fine | Jan 20 12:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | its c++ | Jan 20 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | I strongly prefer LCD and a DVI connection | Jan 20 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | much sharper image | Jan 20 12:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: btw, wtf? | Jan 20 12:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | why would your video card care what your monitor looks like? | Jan 20 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | also, LCD doesn't flicker | Jan 20 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | that's always a plus | Jan 20 12:14 |
| cubezzz | Diablo-D3, I wasn't sure if 800x600 and 1024x768 were still supported with the newer video cards | Jan 20 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | the flicker of a VGA monitor will give me a headache sometimes | Jan 20 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | err, CRT | Jan 20 12:14 |
| cubezzz | without stretching or distorting | Jan 20 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Windows still supports down to 800 x 600, so the cards do | Jan 20 12:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | erm dude | Jan 20 12:15 |
| cubezzz | e.g. 1024x768 on a 16:9 style monitor | Jan 20 12:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | its up to your monitor | Jan 20 12:15 |
| DaemonFC | they support whatever Windows supports more often than not | Jan 20 12:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | video cards have no control over that | Jan 20 12:15 |
| cubezzz | ok | Jan 20 12:15 |
| DaemonFC | the driver supports it | Jan 20 12:15 |
| cubezzz | I thought the driver would control that | Jan 20 12:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | how would the driver control your monitor? | Jan 20 12:16 |
| DaemonFC | the driver can control that | Jan 20 12:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | your video card hands it 1024x768, its up to your monitor to do something with it | Jan 20 12:16 |
| DaemonFC | Windows display drivers don't support 640 x 480 | Jan 20 12:16 |
| cubezzz | it's been a while since I looked at the low level video stuff | Jan 20 12:17 |
| DaemonFC | even in safe mode, you boot into 800 x 600 now, which looks like ass on a 22" LCD | Jan 20 12:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 20 12:17 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation-world/sns-ap-cb-haiti-earthquake,0,7342777.story | Jan 20 12:17 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Preliminary 6.0 magnitude quake hits Haiti, shaking buildings, sending people into streets - baltimoresun.com .::. Size~: 128.82 KB | Jan 20 12:17 |
| DaemonFC | USGS is saying a 6.0 earthquake has hit Haiti this morning | Jan 20 12:18 |
| cubezzz | plus someone told me before it was under the control of the video driver | Jan 20 12:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: why do you talk to idiots? you should know better | Jan 20 12:18 |
| cubezzz | well, I really wasn't sure :) | Jan 20 12:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | the only thing your video card does is not send it resolutions the monitor doesnt have in it's edid | Jan 20 12:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, it shouldnt anyways | Jan 20 12:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | (at least, it should obey the maximum resolution request) | Jan 20 12:19 |
| cubezzz | Diablo-D3, my observation was that on the monitors I saw, 1024x768 was being stretched out to fill the entire wide screen display | Jan 20 12:20 |
| cubezzz | and I'd rather it just blocked the sides with black | Jan 20 12:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: because the monitor wasnt told to do that. | Jan 20 12:21 |
| cubezzz | I'm getting the feeling that no monitor does that | Jan 20 12:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | my monitor, for example, keeps track of settings for many resolutions | Jan 20 12:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: whahahaha what | Jan 20 12:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude | Jan 20 12:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | there isnt a monitor on the market that doesnt let you tell it not to do that | Jan 20 12:22 |
| cubezzz | ok | Jan 20 12:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | in fact | Jan 20 12:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | really really really cheap ones | Jan 20 12:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | the ones you dont want to own | Jan 20 12:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | cant scale at all | Jan 20 12:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | so it just displays the stuff centered in the middle with no scaling | Jan 20 12:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: the only thing is, you may have to tell your monitor what you want for a few different resolutions | Jan 20 12:23 |
| cubezzz | so I'm guessing there's some OCD thing you can adjust then? | Jan 20 12:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes. | Jan 20 12:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | monitors have had OCDs for over 10 years. | Jan 20 12:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, OSDs | Jan 20 12:24 |
| cubezzz | OSD right | Jan 20 12:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | OCD is what my neighbor suffers from | Jan 20 12:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | I should get her to clean my house | Jan 20 12:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | :D | Jan 20 12:24 |
| cubezzz | well the guy in the store was wrong then | Jan 20 12:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: the guy in the stores an idiot | Jan 20 12:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: btw, drivers _can_ stretch | Jan 20 12:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | but you have to specifically turn it on | Jan 20 12:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | and its usually a hidden feature | Jan 20 12:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | its there for those who buy aformentioned cheap monitors without built in scalers | Jan 20 12:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: why were you in a store anyhow? | Jan 20 12:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | just buy online | Jan 20 12:26 |
| cubezzz | I needed a compact flash card and I was in futureshop | Jan 20 12:26 |
| cubezzz | ended up in the camera section | Jan 20 12:26 |
| cubezzz | but I decided to look around | Jan 20 12:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | lolol | Jan 20 12:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | buy cf cards online too | Jan 20 12:26 |
| *Diablo-D3 hates stores with b&m locations | Jan 20 12:26 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Microsofot promised an "early patch" for the IE vulnerability | Jan 20 12:27 |
| DaemonFC | wouldn't an early patch arrive before the attacks? | Jan 20 12:27 |
| cubezzz | later on I discovered my monitor was actually aspect ratio: 5:4 | Jan 20 12:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | whats the native res, 1280x1024? | Jan 20 12:27 |
| cubezzz | not sure, I always use 1024x768 | Jan 20 12:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | is it a CRT or LCD? | Jan 20 12:28 |
| cubezzz | LCD | Jan 20 12:28 |
| cubezzz | 1280x1024 @ 75 Hz | Jan 20 12:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | use the native res. | Jan 20 12:28 |
| cubezzz | is the maximum res I think | Jan 20 12:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | _always_ use the native res on a LCD | Jan 20 12:28 |
| cubezzz | why I don't understand is why Acer used 5:4 aspect ratio | Jan 20 12:30 |
| cubezzz | what | Jan 20 12:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | they didnt "use" 5:4 | Jan 20 12:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | its 1280x1024 | Jan 20 12:30 |
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| Diablo-D3 | 1280/1024 == 5/4 | Jan 20 12:30 |
| cubezzz | right | Jan 20 12:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | and its 1:1 pixels | Jan 20 12:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | so its not like theres an actual issue | Jan 20 12:31 |
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| Diablo-D3 | you just get tiny black columns when displaying 4:3 content | Jan 20 12:31 |
| cubezzz | nope | Jan 20 12:31 |
| cubezzz | I'm using 1024x768 now | Jan 20 12:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | [07:26:37] <Diablo-D3> _always_ use the native res on a LCD | Jan 20 12:31 |
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| Diablo-D3 | scaling causes image quality issues | Jan 20 12:32 |
| cubezzz | I'm going to have to rewrite XF86Config then | Jan 20 12:33 |
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| Diablo-D3 | why... are you even using xf86? | Jan 20 12:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | the rest of the world moved to xorg like 5 years ago | Jan 20 12:33 |
| cubezzz | you know why :) | Jan 20 12:33 |
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| cubezzz | because it's fc1 | Jan 20 12:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | why are you using something so old/ | Jan 20 12:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats a 7 year old distro | Jan 20 12:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | no wonder you're so confused | Jan 20 12:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | X doesnt need a config file anymore at all (unless you're using nvidia or fglrx) | Jan 20 12:34 |
| cubezzz | it's nvidia | Jan 20 12:34 |
| cubezzz | brb | Jan 20 12:35 |
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| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: how do people get so stupid? | Jan 20 12:35 |
| *MinceR shrugs | Jan 20 12:35 | |
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| cubezzz | ok, I'm in 1280x1024 land | Jan 20 12:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | notice everything is sharper now? | Jan 20 12:37 |
| cubezzz | the fonts are pretty tiny | Jan 20 12:37 |
| cubezzz | might be a little sharper | Jan 20 12:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | the fonts are the same approximate size as they used to be. | Jan 20 12:37 |
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| Diablo-D3 | 1024x768 and 1280x1024 are pretty similar sizes. | Jan 20 12:37 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Tries to Pollute #Standards with Software Patents Where It is Illegal http://ur1.ca/k931 #swpat | Jan 20 12:41 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] German Publishers Go After Google; Apparently Very Confused About How The Internet Works | Techdirt http://tinyurl.com/ya6m6d4 | Jan 20 12:45 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Obama Finally Slams the #USPTO , But Parrots Talking Point from #Microsoft and #IntellectualMonopolists http://ur1.ca/k94z | Jan 20 12:45 | |
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| cubezzz | ok, everything looks better except my clock is a bit on the small side | Jan 20 12:47 |
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| schestowitz_ | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/19/bing_bots_floor_perl_network/ | Jan 20 12:48 |
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| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz_: old news dude | Jan 20 12:48 |
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| schestowitz | test | Jan 20 12:53 |
| schestowitz | [12:48] <schestowitz_> [12:32] <cubezzz> I'm going to have to rewrite XF86Config then | Jan 20 12:54 |
| schestowitz | [12:48] <schestowitz_> [12:34] <schestowitz> [12:27] <DaemonFC> schestowitz: Microsofot promised an "early patch" for the IE vulnerability | Jan 20 12:54 |
| schestowitz | [12:48] <schestowitz_> [12:34] <schestowitz> Pressure/ PR | Jan 20 12:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/01/19/click-fraud-rate-spikes-in-q4 | Jan 20 12:54 |
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| schestowitz | What's it about? Plasma? No... | Jan 20 12:56 |
| schestowitz | Seems like freenode is back to being stable | Jan 20 12:56 |
| schestowitz | I have three accounts from which to merge | Jan 20 12:57 |
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| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: yes, I know it's not news | Jan 20 12:57 |
| schestowitz | I'm just showing that it gets more coverage, which is awesome | Jan 20 12:57 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe it's the botnet thing again | Jan 20 12:58 |
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| DaemonFC | I found a $20 in the ATM at the Huggy Bear :P | Jan 20 13:15 |
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| DaemonFC | What should I buy with my found $20? | Jan 20 13:17 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] For ACTA trolls: use the Lisbon treaty Art218.10 and ask the European Parliament to be fully informed about negotiations http://i5.be/alh | Jan 20 13:26 | |
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| cubezzz | Sherlock Holmes still under copyright in the USA | Jan 20 13:30 |
| DaemonFC | more than likely | Jan 20 13:31 |
| cubezzz | which is retarded | Jan 20 13:31 |
| cubezzz | 123 years now | Jan 20 13:31 |
| DaemonFC | the estate probably still has rights to it | Jan 20 13:31 |
| DaemonFC | when did the author die? | Jan 20 13:31 |
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| DaemonFC | +70 years | Jan 20 13:31 |
| DaemonFC | that will tell you when it's in the public domain | Jan 20 13:31 |
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| DaemonFC | Are we under attack? | Jan 20 13:38 |
| cubezzz | ok, Arthur Conan Doyle died in 1930 | Jan 20 13:40 |
| DaemonFC | so it should have expired in 2000? | Jan 20 13:40 |
| DaemonFC | why is it copyrighted? | Jan 20 13:40 |
| cubezzz | not sure | Jan 20 13:41 |
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| cubezzz | it was extended to 2023 somehow | Jan 20 13:41 |
| DaemonFC | basically, no book that comes out now will be public domain until after everyone living now is dead | Jan 20 13:41 |
| DaemonFC | long after | Jan 20 13:41 |
| DaemonFC | your grandchildren *may* get to use it freely | Jan 20 13:41 |
| DaemonFC | but they'll be senior citizens by then | Jan 20 13:42 |
| cubezzz | in the USA, in Canada it is public domain | Jan 20 13:42 |
| cubezzz | in UK it is public domain | Jan 20 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | are they enforcing the copyright? | Jan 20 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | in the US | Jan 20 13:42 |
| cubezzz | they must be | Jan 20 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Our law says if they don't do anything to enforce it, it might be declared invalid | Jan 20 13:43 |
| cubezzz | The last sherlock holmes story was published in 1927 which would theoretically last under copyright until 2023. | Jan 20 13:43 |
| DaemonFC | oh | Jan 20 13:43 |
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| DaemonFC | Just write a book about Herlock Sholmes | Jan 20 13:44 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Jan 20 13:44 |
| cubezzz | there's tons of them | Jan 20 13:44 |
| cubezzz | but I guess not in the USA | Jan 20 13:44 |
| DaemonFC | well, cubezzz, what would happen to me if...... | Jan 20 13:44 |
| DaemonFC | I write a Sherlock Holmes book | Jan 20 13:44 |
| DaemonFC | I have it published and printed in Canada | Jan 20 13:44 |
| cubezzz | you could | Jan 20 13:45 |
| DaemonFC | and it gets imported back into the United States for sale | Jan 20 13:45 |
| DaemonFC | they could sue me, yes or no? | Jan 20 13:45 |
| cubezzz | then you would have to ask the estate for permission I think | Jan 20 13:45 |
| DaemonFC | but if it' | Jan 20 13:45 |
| DaemonFC | if it's not officially imported for sale here | Jan 20 13:45 |
| DaemonFC | and people just buy it online from Canada? | Jan 20 13:46 |
| cubezzz | no idea :) | Jan 20 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | I think our courts could theoretically order that it not be imported, but nobody would be able to enforce that | Jan 20 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | what would they do? rip open the packaging of every book imported from Canada? | Jan 20 13:46 |
| cubezzz | I don't see how they could stop it, unless the online service didn't ship to USA | Jan 20 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | the fourth amendment wouldn't let them | Jan 20 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | they would have to get a judge to sign a search warrant for every package containing a book, one by one | Jan 20 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | in order to enforce the first order | Jan 20 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | and they can't do that unless they have probable cause to believe most of them are my book | Jan 20 13:48 |
| DaemonFC | it would be practically impossible to ban the importation of my book, which theoretically violates US law, but they can't prove any were ever sent | Jan 20 13:49 |
| DaemonFC | so in effect, my book is sold in the US and the estate can't stop me at this point | Jan 20 13:49 |
| cubezzz | well people do break the law quite often :) | Jan 20 13:49 |
| DaemonFC | that's why they want ACTA | Jan 20 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | one of the reasons | Jan 20 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | that way I can't buy something published in Canada that can't be sold here | Jan 20 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | for example | Jan 20 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | oh well, it could be worse | Jan 20 13:51 |
| DaemonFC | when the US bans and censors, it's usually because of money | Jan 20 13:51 |
| DaemonFC | not because Allah disapproves of the subject matter | Jan 20 13:51 |
| cubezzz | I think you _could_ write a sherlock holmes story and publish it in the US except you couldn't use any elements from the Sherlock stories from after 1923 | Jan 20 13:51 |
| cubezzz | which is only a few | Jan 20 13:51 |
| MinceR | Money is God then, isn't it? :> | Jan 20 13:52 |
| cubezzz | not really | Jan 20 13:52 |
| cubezzz | it's a lot, but not everything | Jan 20 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Wrong | Jan 20 13:53 |
| cubezzz | you can't buy immortality | Jan 20 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | the characters are copyrighted, themselves | Jan 20 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | so the clock starts ticking after the last book the author used the characters in | Jan 20 13:54 |
| cubezzz | well then it's back to 2023 then | Jan 20 13:54 |
| DaemonFC | that's the way I understand it then | Jan 20 13:54 |
| cubezzz | Adrian Doyle also wrote some Sherlock Holmes stories | Jan 20 13:54 |
| cubezzz | his son | Jan 20 13:54 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: If I wrote a series of books, I would license them so that the copyright was forfeit much sooner than US law allows for | Jan 20 13:55 |
| DaemonFC | probably so when I die, everything I did was not public domain | Jan 20 13:55 |
| DaemonFC | *was public domain | Jan 20 13:55 |
| DaemonFC | without the extra 70 years | Jan 20 13:55 |
| DaemonFC | unless I had kids who wanted to actually do something with the franchise | Jan 20 13:56 |
| cubezzz | if it's the last story then his descendents could keep writing Sherlock Holmes stories and the copyright would never expire | Jan 20 13:56 |
| DaemonFC | then I'd transfer the copyright to them upon my death | Jan 20 13:56 |
| DaemonFC | but they haven't | Jan 20 13:56 |
| DaemonFC | they could do something nasty and publish one short novel in 2022 and extend the copyright if that's the case | Jan 20 13:57 |
| cubezzz | there are a ton of Sherlock Holmes stories published and not by Doyle or his descendents | Jan 20 13:57 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not a lawyer though | Jan 20 13:57 |
| cubezzz | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/19/books/19sherlock.html?ref=books&pagewanted=all | Jan 20 13:58 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Phoronix proves 64bit kernels on 64bit hardware is better than 32bit or 32bit PAE. For 5 years I have been saying this. http://ur1.ca/iqrt | Jan 20 14:06 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/19/nails-look-like-they.html | Jan 20 14:12 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmmmmm..... from from Clay........ | Jan 20 14:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] best mycameron yet http://www.andybarefoot.com/politics/cameron.php?poster=20162 HT @reelmolesworth | Jan 20 14:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @woodsy_bristol I'll believe they're sincere when Whitehall is running on Ubuntu & documents on govt. websites are available in ODF | Jan 20 14:36 | |
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| Omar87 | Greetings everyone! | Jan 20 15:22 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, Omar87 | Jan 20 15:31 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: hi! | Jan 20 15:31 |
| schestowitz | >>> <speculation> | Jan 20 15:33 |
| schestowitz | >>> Were MS voting machines used here? | Jan 20 15:33 |
| schestowitz | >>> http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/20/coakley.brown/ | Jan 20 15:33 |
| schestowitz | >>> </> | Jan 20 15:33 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Democrats point fingers after stunning loss - CNN.com .::. Size~: 60.64 KB | Jan 20 15:33 |
| schestowitz | >>> | Jan 20 15:33 |
| schestowitz | >> | Jan 20 15:33 |
| schestowitz | >> Diebold is win32. | Jan 20 15:33 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 20 15:33 |
| schestowitz | > Yes, but were Premier Election Solutions (formerly Diebold Election | Jan 20 15:34 |
| schestowitz | > Systems) machines, thus Windows+MS Accss+VBA, used in that particular | Jan 20 15:34 |
| schestowitz | > election? | Jan 20 15:34 |
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| sebsebseb | Hi | Jan 20 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Jan 20 15:35 | |
| schestowitz | :-p | Jan 20 15:35 |
| sebsebseb | :D | Jan 20 15:35 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: | Jan 20 15:35 |
| sebsebseb | Jan 20 15:35 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Yuuguu launches corporate version of cross platform (Win/Lin/Mac) conference/meeting software http://bit.ly/6mdErL | Jan 20 15:38 | |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: there's an alpha for the next Mandriva by the way | Jan 20 15:38 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: well done in FSD | Jan 20 15:42 |
| schestowitz | #2 | Jan 20 15:42 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: yes, Mandriva lost its CEO too | Jan 20 15:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Civilisation can build the Large Hadron Collider but can't build a garlic crusher that doesn't break. Thanks #China! | Jan 20 15:43 | |
| schestowitz | Bookmark and Share | Jan 20 15:43 |
| schestowitz | Rogue on-line pharmacy sites, claiming to sell legitimate medicine to naive shoppers, continue to be a problem. This quick note is about one approach used to insert advertisements into forum discussions that completely cover up the legitimate discussion page. | Jan 20 15:43 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has just been owned | Jan 20 15:44 |
| schestowitz | http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=8032 | Jan 20 15:44 |
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| FurnaceBoy|zzz | Diebold. Delivering elections. | Jan 20 15:45 |
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| schestowitz | You spoke in your sleep | Jan 20 15:46 |
| schestowitz | Over Diebold | Jan 20 15:46 |
| schestowitz | And then woke up alarmed | Jan 20 15:46 |
| schestowitz | Bad dreams about McBush being (e)elected? | Jan 20 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: "someone" removed the information on Wikipedia about the 2007 incident in which Microsoft allowed the ads displayed in Windows Live Messenger to install spyware on millions of Windows PCs | Jan 20 15:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: ha! so I did. | Jan 20 15:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i suppose you saw the Pope slamming Avatar for its anti-authoritarian msg | Jan 20 15:51 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh what's this? | Jan 20 15:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: btw I followed somebody from your RT this morning! @woodsy_bristol is cool! | Jan 20 15:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: week old news i guess | Jan 20 15:52 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: what's that? | Jan 20 15:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: let me get you a good link | Jan 20 15:53 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: the thing to schestowitz | Jan 20 15:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9145198/RIAA_tells_FCC_ISPs_need_to_be_copyright_cops | Jan 20 15:53 |
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| sebsebseb | altough sure get me a link for Mandriva losing CEO if you want | Jan 20 15:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | ' The Vatican’s newspaper has roundly dismissed the film as being a triumph of style over substance — an “anti-imperialistic, anti-militaristic parable,” (coincidentally, two expansionist systems that have served the Church well over the centuries), “which doesn’t have the same bite as other more serious films.” ' | Jan 20 15:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | boggles the mind. | Jan 20 15:53 |
| schestowitz | We need more arms and "IP" :-) | Jan 20 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Never trust grey-haired man with scptre | Jan 20 15:55 |
| schestowitz | *cep | Jan 20 15:55 |
| schestowitz | They only confirm that films are vehicle for ideology drive | Jan 20 15:56 |
| schestowitz | “anti-imperialistic, anti-militaristic parable" | Jan 20 15:56 |
| schestowitz | Well, I guess it means sense | Jan 20 15:56 |
| schestowitz | Guess who was in an imperialistic militaristic cult? | Jan 20 15:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/vaticancityandholysee/6963399/Vatican-calls-Avatar-bland.html | Jan 20 15:57 |
| schestowitz | The Pope was in Hitler Yough | Jan 20 15:57 |
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| schestowitz | *th | Jan 20 15:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | i guess they're waiting for a nice pro-Imperial, pro-militarism film to endorse. | Jan 20 15:57 |
| schestowitz | Won't it take 14 years to make? | Jan 20 15:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i think that one is 1,400 years in the making. | Jan 20 15:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: and it's called history | Jan 20 15:58 |
| schestowitz | And another 14 years to find an actor whose face is similar even to that of Chavez..... :-) | Jan 20 15:58 |
| cubezzz | you had to be in Hitler Youth though | Jan 20 16:01 |
| cubezzz | for that age group | Jan 20 16:01 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they can breed it... | Jan 20 16:01 |
| cubezzz | I don't think it was voluntary | Jan 20 16:01 |
| schestowitz | I can't find The Onion videos about breeding stars | Jan 20 16:01 |
| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/01/actas-shameful-secret.ars | Jan 20 16:06 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's not just him personally. | Jan 20 16:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: of course it's pointing out the obvious to say that the Catholic church has always been on the imperial, militaristic side of history | Jan 20 16:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: revisiting narratives of colonialism is uncomfortable for all the right wing and religious wing | Jan 20 16:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | "We won, survival of the fittest, natives can't do capitalism, yadda yadda" | Jan 20 16:09 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Best #Windows security bug ever http://ur1.ca/k9jk #microsft #douchebags | Jan 20 16:21 | |
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| cubezzz | well | Jan 20 16:29 |
| cubezzz | capitalism doesn't always work | Jan 20 16:29 |
| cubezzz | no system works perfectly all the time | Jan 20 16:29 |
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| Papa | Linux.conf.au conference in NZ is live streaming: http://www.r2.co.nz/20100118/ click through and you will see the magic words appear: "The webcast is best viewed in Silverlight Media Player".... | Jan 20 16:32 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: index page for LCA2010 webcasts .::. Size~: 3.07 KB | Jan 20 16:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | Papa: HAHAHAHAHAHA | Jan 20 16:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh wow I lol'd | Jan 20 16:33 |
| cubezzz | ummm | Jan 20 16:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | wait | Jan 20 16:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | Papa: thats not true at all | Jan 20 16:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | "The live video from the event can be viewed by clicking on the link below. There are several streams at different bit-rates to suit a wide variety of connection speeds. The webcast is best viewed in Windows Media Player , Real Player. or Mplayer under Linux or Os-X. Totem and VideoLan also work well. Flip-4-Mac is available for free for Apple users. There is a version of web page available that uses the Silverlig | Jan 20 16:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | ht Player, This player will work for both Mac and PC users. If the Silverlight Player is not installed on your PC or Mac, you will see a Silverlight logo. Click on this logo to install the free Silverlight Player. After this, future Silverlight players will not need to reload" | Jan 20 16:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | so its probably everyday h264 in mp4 | Jan 20 16:34 |
| cubezzz | OR mplayer yeah :) | Jan 20 16:34 |
| cubezzz | not just silvercrap | Jan 20 16:35 |
| cubezzz | what's with the asx though? | Jan 20 16:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | dunno | Jan 20 16:35 |
| cubezzz | mms | Jan 20 16:36 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] code of ethics for robots??http://bit.ly/4uWBAj. Too soon or maybe not? http://bit.ly/4SrCH2 | Jan 20 16:36 | |
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| cubezzz | that's microsoft | Jan 20 16:36 |
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| cubezzz | pretty lame | Jan 20 16:36 |
| cubezzz | this is all microsoft stuff | Jan 20 16:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: poor technology choice | Jan 20 16:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | yarly | Jan 20 16:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: I do not, as an os x user, have any interest in installing Silverlight as a gate for that content. even if it works on my macs. | Jan 20 16:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: but I didnt link to it =P | Jan 20 16:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: os x and linux user | Jan 20 16:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: yeah but you defended it. in the end they picked a microsoft technology | Jan 20 16:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: and that would force me to install silverlight?! | Jan 20 16:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | no | Jan 20 16:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | I said papa misconstrued it | Jan 20 16:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | they have an optional silverlight version of the pages | Jan 20 16:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh | Jan 20 16:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | nm then | Jan 20 16:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | they apparently are using some older version of wmv inside asx | Jan 20 16:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | EVERYTHING plays this | Jan 20 16:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | by luck | Jan 20 16:41 |
| schestowitz | there's an ogg option | Jan 20 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Someone hacked an ogg stream | Jan 20 16:41 |
| cubezzz | mms://ac1.streaming.net.nz/R2-stream-1 | Jan 20 16:42 |
| cubezzz | I can't play it | Jan 20 16:42 |
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| cubezzz | maybe vlc can do it | Jan 20 16:42 |
| cubezzz | I'm so tired of the mms garbage | Jan 20 16:44 |
| schestowitz | Oh, Glyn is in Aussie... http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/7934246623 | Jan 20 16:45 |
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| DaemonFC | VLC can do anything | Jan 20 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 20 16:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: almost :) | Jan 20 16:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: i had a new-ish dvd (bruno) the other day, nothing would play it | Jan 20 16:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: except apple dvd player | Jan 20 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | that's odd | Jan 20 16:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: not sure what that's about. | Jan 20 16:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: right, not mplayer, not vlc. | Jan 20 16:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/01/19/skype-international-calling-minutes-share/ | Jan 20 16:49 |
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| DaemonFC | CSS hasn't changed since the first DVD was out | Jan 20 16:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: stream format seemed to be different | Jan 20 16:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I don't get it either | Jan 20 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | Blu Ray has some adaptive DRM bullshit | Jan 20 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | which is why I don't have a player :) | Jan 20 16:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | bluray sure is pretty in HD though .:/ | Jan 20 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | I won't have anything that I can't play at the time and place of my choosing | Jan 20 16:50 |
| *FurnaceBoy feels the SEDUCTION of the dark side | Jan 20 16:50 | |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: fair enough | Jan 20 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, why pay premium prices for something that they can take away without notice? | Jan 20 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | if they decide your player has been cracked by someone somewhere, you have to buy a new player? | Jan 20 16:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: "1984" on Kindle hahahahahahahah | Jan 20 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | I mean bullshit | Jan 20 16:51 |
| cubezzz | evidently the doom9 guys have blu-ray all working | Jan 20 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not having any of that | Jan 20 16:51 |
| cubezzz | but sometimes mms doesn't work in mplayer | Jan 20 16:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I feel like that about software activation. between you and your data | Jan 20 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | when Blu Rays work in VLC, and I can get them for DVD prices, I will start building a collection of them | Jan 20 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: Windows won't just lock you out anymore | Jan 20 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | it just gets incredibly annoying | Jan 20 16:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: i know. and individual applications are also 'activated' | Jan 20 16:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: ADOBE | Jan 20 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | popping up the "You may be a victim of software counterfeiting" balloon every hour | Jan 20 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | and resetting your wallpaper to black | Jan 20 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 20 16:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: thousands of businesses' assets are locked behind ActivationWare now. | Jan 20 16:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | hundreds of thousands' | Jan 20 16:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | in most cases, probably their owners don't even know that. | Jan 20 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: It's possible to suppress the balloons and live with no Aero and no wallpaper I guess | Jan 20 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jan 20 16:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | ooooh resetting the wallpaper to black! with a picture of Gates as Satan with glowing eyes! | Jan 20 16:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I have no trouble living without windows. | Jan 20 16:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | um, except for that irritating games problem. :/ | Jan 20 16:54 |
| MinceR | 175019 < DaemonFC> it just gets incredibly annoying | Jan 20 16:55 |
| cubezzz | ok, one time I couldn't play an old windows game on win2k | Jan 20 16:55 |
| MinceR | how do you notice that change? | Jan 20 16:55 |
| cubezzz | and it worked under cedega | Jan 20 16:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | LOL | Jan 20 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | well, if you can get a server trial somewhere that lasts 6 months and then you can use the rearms to give yourself another 4 months | Jan 20 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 20 16:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I'm amazed you are actually on WIndows in the first place. | Jan 20 16:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: any particular reason? | Jan 20 16:55 |
| cubezzz | it's an endless complain-o-thon though | Jan 20 16:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: obviously :) | Jan 20 16:56 |
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| DaemonFC | I have it, I didn't plan on ATI sucking so much ass on Linux | Jan 20 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | couple minor things that wouldn't keep me on Windows in themselves | Jan 20 16:56 |
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| DaemonFC | I might be able to switch around this fall | Jan 20 16:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | w00t | Jan 20 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | the ATI open source driver is coming together, but about 20% of my card still doesn't work | Jan 20 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | texture corruption mainly | Jan 20 16:57 |
| cubezzz | I was complaining about doze before some of you were _born_ | Jan 20 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | not me, I'm a year older than Windows | Jan 20 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 20 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | and I doubt you had 1.0 | Jan 20 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | almost nobody had 1.0 | Jan 20 16:58 |
| MinceR | i'm older than 1.0 :> | Jan 20 16:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Jan 20 16:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | I'm older than UNIX. | Jan 20 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | ouch | Jan 20 16:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Jan 20 16:58 |
| cubezzz | are you older than Multics? :) | Jan 20 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | are you older than ENIAC? | Jan 20 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 20 16:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | Windows never seemed like anything other than a flash in the pan, from that geologic perspective! | Jan 20 16:59 |
| cubezzz | no :) | Jan 20 16:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: mmmm Multics! | Jan 20 16:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: no, Multics was four years old when I was born. I always miss the good stuff! | Jan 20 16:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | but it ran until ~ 2002 | Jan 20 16:59 |
| cubezzz | ok, Multics was 1964 that's one year before me | Jan 20 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | Windows attaches itself to new computers like a cancer | Jan 20 16:59 |
| MinceR | are you older than dirt? | Jan 20 16:59 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 20 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Jan 20 16:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: I'm older than a lot of dirtbags! | Jan 20 17:00 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 20 17:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: yo momma so old, she breastfed God | Jan 20 17:00 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 20 17:00 |
| cubezzz | ok, I was bitching about how slow windows 2.0 was in 1988 | Jan 20 17:00 |
| MinceR | yo momma so fat when she sits around the house she sits _around_ the house | Jan 20 17:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: why the he** were you USING windows in 1988? | Jan 20 17:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: you shoulda been on a NeXT | Jan 20 17:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | :P | Jan 20 17:01 |
| cubezzz | FurnaceBoy, at work | Jan 20 17:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: :( | Jan 20 17:01 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] anonymizing your google experience http://bit.ly/4xqaOw | Jan 20 17:01 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: New service hamstrings Google data hoarding • The Register .::. Size~: 29.63 KB | Jan 20 17:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: i've managed to avoid that misfortune - Windows for Workplaces | Jan 20 17:01 |
| MinceR | why next if there was unix? | Jan 20 17:01 |
| cubezzz | we had Xenix, Unix System V, Windows 2.0, Desqview and Topview | Jan 20 17:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: ouch | Jan 20 17:01 |
| MinceR | with X! | Jan 20 17:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: NEXTSTEP is arguably UNIX | Jan 20 17:01 |
| cubezzz | FurnaceBoy, I evaluated many different systems | Jan 20 17:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: NeXT's blitter and Display Postscript was 20 years ahead of X11 :) | Jan 20 17:02 |
| MinceR | afaik it's only as unix as osx is | Jan 20 17:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: right, but ... | Jan 20 17:02 |
| MinceR | (that is, not very much) | Jan 20 17:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: at that time, SunOS 4, Ultrix, would have been nice options | Jan 20 17:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: SPARCstation 1 was just about ready | Jan 20 17:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: big company? | Jan 20 17:03 |
| cubezzz | nah | Jan 20 17:03 |
| cubezzz | maybe 30 people | Jan 20 17:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | wow... you'd almost remember all their names | Jan 20 17:03 |
| cubezzz | some of them | Jan 20 17:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | software co? | Jan 20 17:04 |
| cubezzz | yes | Jan 20 17:04 |
| cubezzz | mainly writing software for the retail industry | Jan 20 17:05 |
| schestowitz | CBS....... eeevil.... http://www.jackbenny.org/biography/other/cbs_permanently_seals_jack_benny.htm | Jan 20 17:10 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Canadians here can speak out | Jan 20 17:10 |
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| cubezzz | CBS is american | Jan 20 17:11 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] anonymizing your google experience http://bit.ly/4xqaOw | Jan 20 17:11 | |
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| cubezzz | I'm pretty sure Jack Benny was too :) | Jan 20 17:11 |
| cubezzz | Columbia Broadcasting Service | Jan 20 17:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yeah that CBS thing ... wtf | Jan 20 17:11 |
| cubezzz | well they have a bunch of 16mm | Jan 20 17:14 |
| cubezzz | I'm sure it will leak out at some point | Jan 20 17:14 |
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| DaemonFC | I liked DOS | Jan 20 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | I was still using it regularly in 2000 | Jan 20 17:16 |
| MinceR | i liked dos as long as i didn't know better | Jan 20 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | meh, it's not complicated, it does what you tell it | Jan 20 17:16 |
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| DaemonFC | there's no missing dependencies or "Did you really mean to do that?" | Jan 20 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | modern operating systems are all too complex for their own good | Jan 20 17:17 |
| wallc_ | hi! :) | Jan 20 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | I want DOS back | Jan 20 17:17 |
| cubezzz | try Minix 3.0 then | Jan 20 17:17 |
| schestowitz | CBC... | Jan 20 17:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: DOS is crap compared to UNIX shells of the 1970s. | Jan 20 17:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: do you use a modern shell? | Jan 20 17:18 |
| schestowitz | hey, wallc_ | Jan 20 17:18 |
| wallc_ | Hi Doc! : ) | Jan 20 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | when I'm on Linux I just use BASH | Jan 20 17:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: right | Jan 20 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | all the hideously deformed shell scripts work in it | Jan 20 17:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: surely you don't miss DOS. it's worse than csh | Jan 20 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | even though it's not that great | Jan 20 17:19 |
| cubezzz | no I don't miss DOS | Jan 20 17:19 |
| cubezzz | that includes Commodore DOS :) | Jan 20 17:19 |
| schestowitz | wallc returned from the mountains with tablets of Comes | Jan 20 17:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: bash is under-rated | Jan 20 17:19 |
| wallc_ | lol | Jan 20 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: I like DASH better myself | Jan 20 17:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: practically my first CLI was MP/M | Jan 20 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | when I was using Fedora, I made DASH my login shell | Jan 20 17:19 |
| cubezzz | CP/M? | Jan 20 17:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: ic | Jan 20 17:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: yes, the multiprocessing version | Jan 20 17:20 |
| wallc_ | I wanted to let you know that I've gone thru most of the past Comes docs we've done and sent them to pj... | Jan 20 17:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: multiuser | Jan 20 17:20 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: been busy here recently with FurnaceBoy | Jan 20 17:20 |
| *FurnaceBoy is just a pain in the ass | Jan 20 17:20 | |
| schestowitz | wallc_: good! | Jan 20 17:20 |
| wallc_ | yes, i've been reading the logs... | Jan 20 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_Almquist_shell | Jan 20 17:20 |
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| FurnaceBoy | wallc_: awesome on Comes. | Jan 20 17:20 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: dos does about 10% of what an OS is supposed to do, if not less | Jan 20 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | it runs scripts a lot faster | Jan 20 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | but not compatible with bash-specific crap | Jan 20 17:21 |
| MinceR | most hardware is unmanaged | Jan 20 17:21 |
| MinceR | the file system sucks | Jan 20 17:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: right. but i'm focusing on the twisted little foetus of a command line | Jan 20 17:21 |
| MinceR | no task scheduling, no network stack, no nothing | Jan 20 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu uses DASH as your login shell, they had to fix thousands of bad scripts that used bashisms | Jan 20 17:21 |
| MinceR | oh, and no access control | Jan 20 17:21 |
| wallc_ | it's been fun to see it all come together...searchable and organized, like a library...very cool. | Jan 20 17:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: they didn't fix all of them...either | Jan 20 17:21 |
| MinceR | and what little hardware management DOS does is so crap that nobody uses much of it | Jan 20 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | BASH is a good example of getting carried away and bloating the hell out of something | Jan 20 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | it's the Vista of shells | Jan 20 17:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you know who wrote it, right? | Jan 20 17:22 |
| cubezzz | Unix was the best really | Jan 20 17:22 |
| MinceR | for example, almost no program used DOS' call to print to the screen (print a string terminated with $, already a stupid idea by itself) | Jan 20 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: FSF project isn't it? | Jan 20 17:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: 'was' ? | Jan 20 17:22 |
| wallc_ | anyway, just dropped in to say hi...have to get back to work, take care all. | Jan 20 17:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: ole RMS himself, mostly | Jan 20 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | uggggghhhhh | Jan 20 17:23 |
| *FurnaceBoy has to work too | Jan 20 17:23 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: <insert emacs reference here> | Jan 20 17:23 |
| MinceR | afaik ubuntu doesn't use dash as the login shell, it uses dash as /bin/sh, to run scripts | Jan 20 17:23 |
| cubezzz | well now I'm GNU/Linux so I don't really think of it as a 'Unix' | Jan 20 17:23 |
| MinceR | the default login shell is /bin/bash | Jan 20 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | I really hate it when something just decides to do everything and do a so-so job at all of it | Jan 20 17:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: as god intended | Jan 20 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | that's like the most anti-UNIX thing I can think of | Jan 20 17:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: bash was far better than the shells of the time. | Jan 20 17:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: same's true of gcc | Jan 20 17:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: the world was a different place when RMS got started | Jan 20 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | GCC has improved a lot | Jan 20 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | it really used to be much worse | Jan 20 17:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: gcc was the preferred compiler for many platforms even as far back as the 80s | Jan 20 17:24 |
| cubezzz | It was good for as long as I've used it | Jan 20 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | Opera used to note what GCC they used | Jan 20 17:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it was so far ahead of the poorly supported, buggy, closed vendor stuff | Jan 20 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | for the longest time they were building them on Fedora 4 with GCC 3.2 | Jan 20 17:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: yes | Jan 20 17:25 |
| cubezzz | I liked Lattice C actually | Jan 20 17:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: gcc 1.x used to beat many vendor compilers. | Jan 20 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | all the way up to Opera 10 | Jan 20 17:25 |
| cubezzz | even Microsoft used them at one point | Jan 20 17:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | gcc 4 basically beats everything | Jan 20 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | Opera 10 finally using GCC 4.x is one of the big reasons the Linux version was so much better | Jan 20 17:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | only clang really can compete | Jan 20 17:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | and clang uses llvm | Jan 20 17:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | so its sorta gcc vs gcc there | Jan 20 17:25 |
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| cubezzz | well icc isn't bad either | Jan 20 17:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | right, but 1 arch | Jan 20 17:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | so really a dead end | Jan 20 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | I've got Microsoft Visual Stuido :D | Jan 20 17:26 |
| *DaemonFC ducks | Jan 20 17:26 | |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 20 17:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | hehe | Jan 20 17:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: i run Microsoft compilers on linux for Win32 and Win64 build. | Jan 20 17:26 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: serves you right :> | Jan 20 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: GCC can't make Win64 stuff | Jan 20 17:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Steroids taken. Testicles shrinking to basketballs, excess mass gone to Hulk-like mass. RAAAAGE. Cat somewhat disconcerted. | Jan 20 17:27 | |
| MinceR | i don't see much of a point to using win64 | Jan 20 17:27 |
| MinceR | winblows is for running apps that keep users hostage -- that is, backwards compatibility | Jan 20 17:27 |
| MinceR | win64 breaks backwards compatibility | Jan 20 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | the only thing I really have to build with it is VLC | Jan 20 17:28 |
| MinceR | therefore it has no point | Jan 20 17:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: if you can do without the IDE, the tools run perfectly in WINE. | Jan 20 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | cause they're just cross compiling from within Linux | Jan 20 17:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I use Eclipse as an iDE to the MS compilers | Jan 20 17:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: for win cross-builds | Jan 20 17:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you oughta try it, beats running windows | Jan 20 17:29 |
| MinceR | also, you can use gvim as the editor component in eclipse :> | Jan 20 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | I might just decide to make unofficial Win64 build of VLC and distribute them | Jan 20 17:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: FREAK! | Jan 20 17:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: do eet | Jan 20 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | they show no interest in doing so | Jan 20 17:29 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: i just run plain gvim, without eclipse :> | Jan 20 17:29 |
| *FurnaceBoy is a vi user | Jan 20 17:30 | |
| FurnaceBoy | but mostly i use Eclipse. | Jan 20 17:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | esp for work | Jan 20 17:31 |
| MinceR | so who's the freak now? :> | Jan 20 17:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, by 'vi' i mean 'whatever i get when i run "vi" ' | Jan 20 17:31 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] advanced google searches http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2009/06/expertise-in-google-search/ | Jan 20 17:31 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | vi, vim, nvi, whatever | Jan 20 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | emacs on Windows Vista | Jan 20 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | there, I said it | Jan 20 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 20 17:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | ... | Jan 20 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | whatcha gonna do? | Jan 20 17:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | well. must work. | Jan 20 17:31 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: The worst thing about Vista was the number of system services they were running concurrently | Jan 20 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | I think I counted 173 services set to auto start and run on Vista Ultimate | Jan 20 17:34 |
| MinceR | Ultimate Slowdown | Jan 20 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | precisely | Jan 20 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | each one of them eating just a tiny bit of your CPU standing there doing nothing most of the time | Jan 20 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow | Jan 20 17:35 |
| MinceR | the worst things i've experienced in the few minutes i've used vista in were the inability to properly unmount removable block devices and the stupid start menu | Jan 20 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | meh, a lot of it actually worked OK for me | Jan 20 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | it never did anything great, but it never spectacularly failed | Jan 20 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | it was slow | Jan 20 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | used a ton of RAM | Jan 20 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | rendered anything that came with XP useless | Jan 20 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | made me decide that nothing I had was good enough to not buckle under the weight | Jan 20 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | and so that's why I used Linux exclusively for 3 years | Jan 20 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | I still have to wonder how they could have possibly expected anyone to like it, I was in the beta test program and Vista ran fine until the release candidate | Jan 20 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | that's when it really got hit with a slowdown | Jan 20 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | I'm still not really sure where it all came from | Jan 20 17:39 |
| MinceR | DRM? | Jan 20 17:39 |
| MinceR | like in vista7? | Jan 20 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | maybe, I'm not really sure that could account for all of it | Jan 20 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | the DRM components are really only running when you're using something that provokes them, like playing a Blu Ray | Jan 20 17:41 |
| MinceR | or like drawing something on the screen :> | Jan 20 17:41 |
| MinceR | or getting another surprise check on the drivers | Jan 20 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | nah, but if you want to kill a laptop battery three times as fast, play a Blu Ray | Jan 20 17:42 |
| MinceR | fuck blu-ray | Jan 20 17:42 |
| MinceR | dvd DRM is painful enough as it is | Jan 20 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | that kind of drain will also kill the battery a lot faster | Jan 20 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not sure if anyone that buys a laptop to watch blu rays on understands that | Jan 20 17:42 |
| MinceR | laptops generally hardly last the duration of a movie anyway | Jan 20 17:43 |
| MinceR | so they'd have to plug it into AC anyway | Jan 20 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | they try to make it so that by the time your battery is no good, they don't sell those kinds anymore | Jan 20 17:43 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: ping | Jan 20 18:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] rt @ioerror This is my favorite document on giving anonymous talks: http://bit.ly/5O9QTF | Jan 20 18:28 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] لو كانت خدمة الإنترنت في الأردن رجلا لكنت مزقته إربا إربا إربا.. -_- | Jan 20 18:33 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop_online/digital_music_systems/computer_speakers/music_monitor/index.jsp | Jan 20 18:36 |
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| DaemonFC | only $400 | Jan 20 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 20 18:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] RT: @linuxfoundation: New blog by Jim Zemlin - MS to Mobile Customers: Choice is a Bad Thing (and Linux will Lose) - http://bit.ly/5oB8YO | Jan 20 18:42 | |
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| Jose_X | hey, schestowitz.. | Jan 20 18:43 |
| Jose_X | there is a great comment in againstmonopoly | Jan 20 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | "Get an Amazon Rewards Visa, and put it on that and we'll take $30 off. (and then charge you 27% APR compound interest on the rest until you pay it off 100 years from now)" | Jan 20 18:44 |
| Jose_X | Stephan Kinsella (who is an IP attorney, if you didn't know) quotes from various books on how to exploit patents. | Jan 20 18:45 |
| Jose_X | The comment is at the end of this posting and supports the posting with views that are widely known in the business: http://www.againstmonopoly.org/index.php?perm=593056000000002211 | Jan 20 18:46 |
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| Jose_X | eg .. | Jan 20 18:46 |
| Jose_X | >> | Jan 20 18:46 |
| Jose_X | Chapter 3 is "Invent Around your Competitor's Patent (and the Antitode), and Other Patent Strategies", and covers, inter alia, | Jan 20 18:46 |
| Jose_X | * The Picket Fence Strategy | Jan 20 18:46 |
| Jose_X | * The Toll Gate Strategy | Jan 20 18:46 |
| Jose_X | * The Submarine Strategy: Old and New | Jan 20 18:46 |
| Jose_X | * How to Submarine a Picket Fence | Jan 20 18:46 |
| Jose_X | * The Counter-Attack Strategy | Jan 20 18:46 |
| Jose_X | * The Stealth Counter-Attack | Jan 20 18:46 |
| Jose_X | * The Cut Your Exposure Strategy | Jan 20 18:46 |
| Jose_X | * The Bargaining Chip Strategy | Jan 20 18:46 |
| Jose_X | and | Jan 20 18:46 |
| Jose_X | >> | Jan 20 18:46 |
| Jose_X | A thorough goals/resources analysis invariably leads to a number of different markets that can be attacked. The question is, which ones should be chosen and which ones passed up. Here it is useful to map out potential growth of different markets with respect to the degree of patent protection available. In the chart below growth is mapped against patentability. The best markets are those that have both high growth and are open to | Jan 20 18:46 |
| Jose_X | patentable subject matter. High growth markets where there is little chance of securing broad patent protection will likely be inundated with competition. An example might be the wheelchair market. There will certainly be an increase in market as the population ages, but there are relatively few patentable improvements that are likely in that field. Unless there are other barriers to entry, the product will be subject to commoditi | Jan 20 18:46 |
| Jose_X | zation, and the margins will be weak. Markets where broad patents are likely, but have little chance of growth, will have good margins but weak sales. In this category I might find an invention that helps window washers handle work in high rise buildings. No matter how great the invention is, the market is likely to be extremely limited. | Jan 20 18:46 |
| Jose_X | He concludes with: | Jan 20 18:47 |
| Jose_X | Again, we see what the patent system is really for: it's protectionisn; it's to generate income, by extorting it from other companies by the threat of litigation; it's to cross-license with other big companies: the cost is the patent attorney fees they have to pay to acquire their patent arsenal, but the advantage is the erection of a huge barrier to entry because small and new players have little defense against the patent threat | Jan 20 18:47 |
| Jose_X | s. | Jan 20 18:47 |
| Jose_X | Also says this: | Jan 20 18:48 |
| Jose_X | Again, such strategies are common. How patent practitioners can deny all this with a straight face is beyond me. | Jan 20 18:48 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8470735.stm "The club says this is because of the high numbers of people impersonating team members online. " | Jan 20 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, Jose_X | Jan 20 18:56 |
| Jose_X | Also, this part was interesting: | Jan 20 18:56 |
| Jose_X | From the table of contents of another book on my shelf, "Strategic Patent Planning for Software Companies: A Look at Some Current Patent and Licensing Strategies at Both Ends of the Software Spectrum: Microsoft and Apache," by Eric Stasik (2004), for example: | Jan 20 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: ACK | Jan 20 18:56 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Well done on FSD, for what? :-) | Jan 20 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Jose_X: yes, I saw that | Jan 20 18:57 |
| schestowitz | I already subscribe myself to sites like that | Jan 20 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: 2nd place | Jan 20 18:57 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: thanks. :-) | Jan 20 18:58 |
| Jose_X | schestowitz, to be clear, the comment i quoted was posted yesterday.. it isn't a posting that appears on the main page but a comment to one of the postings. i linked to the main posting, but at the very bottom is a very long comment that includes what i mentioned | Jan 20 18:59 |
| Jose_X | he covered that with specifics because a number of people commenting profess to be lawyers or patent savvy but deny that this dark side of patenting exists. | Jan 20 18:59 |
| Jose_X | so he quoted form a number of thorough and accurate books by patent attorneys that cover these exploitations in detail. | Jan 20 19:00 |
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| Jose_X | schestowitz, let me mention a few sections quoted from the book that has Microsoft and Apache in its title: | Jan 20 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Jan 20 19:22 |
| schestowitz | I'm catching up | Jan 20 19:22 |
| Jose_X | 3.1.6 Out-License Technology to non-Competitors 3.1.7 Acquire Complementary Technology from non-Competitors | Jan 20 19:23 |
| schestowitz | He writes very little | Jan 20 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes just one liners | Jan 20 19:23 |
| Jose_X | schestowitz, are you talking to me? | Jan 20 19:23 |
| Jose_X | in these chapter sections note how the licensing appears to be as a peace offering with those with which you won't compete directly | Jan 20 19:24 |
| Jose_X | at least the titles suggest this possibiliity | Jan 20 19:24 |
| Jose_X | >> 3.1.10 Promulgate Open Standards | Jan 20 19:24 |
| Jose_X | >> 3.1.11 Promote Interoperability | Jan 20 19:24 |
| Jose_X | >> 3.1.12 Deter the Development of Alternative Technologies | Jan 20 19:24 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Call for Papers for #Linux CollabSummit http://ur1.ca/ka3c | Jan 20 19:25 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Today's #LCA (Linux.conf.au) Coverage http://ur1.ca/ka3d http://ur1.ca/ka3e | Jan 20 19:25 | |
| Jose_X | and again the partnership theme: | Jan 20 19:25 |
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| Jose_X | 3.1.13 Strengthened Position in VAR and OEM agreements | Jan 20 19:25 |
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| Jose_X | Finally, we can look at this title as suggestive that you should word contracts in ways that allow you to get out of them: | Jan 20 19:26 |
| Jose_X | >> 3.1.14 Preserving Future Options | Jan 20 19:26 |
| Jose_X | preserve future options by allowing yourself to unilaterally end the agreement (eg, ms against novell) | Jan 20 19:27 |
| Jose_X | or perhaps leave other loopholes as does the MCP where it allows Microsoft to sell the patents to trolls and others, who can then do the attacking themselves. | Jan 20 19:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Open-PC #GNU #Linux Desktop Announced http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Open-PC-Begins-to-Take-Shape | Jan 20 19:28 | |
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| Jose_X | i thought it was a little eerie that apache was mentioned in the book title. that is not that important, but surely there are some lessons there to,eg, tame apache. | Jan 20 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Jose_X: yes, I'm still reading | Jan 20 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Just choppily | Jan 20 19:29 |
| Jose_X | apache http competes with ms products (obviously) | Jan 20 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 20 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Very much so | Jan 20 19:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell Dives Deeper into #GNU #Linux Market http://ur1.ca/ka3p http://ur1.ca/ka3q | Jan 20 19:29 | |
| schestowitz | But Apache presents more of an issue | Jan 20 19:29 |
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| schestowitz | It takes control of the Web | Jan 20 19:29 |
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| schestowitz | It promotes BSD/Linux | Jan 20 19:29 |
| schestowitz | It shows that FOSS reigns | Jan 20 19:29 |
| Jose_X | as apache as manages much java which is a major competitor to dotnet (ie, java is an alternative technology.. which means you want to "deter" it) | Jan 20 19:29 |
| schestowitz | .NOT is f*ed | Jan 20 19:30 |
| schestowitz | It's just people like Miguel & Novell who help it | Jan 20 19:30 |
| schestowitz | They got rewarded for this "evangelism" | Jan 20 19:30 |
| schestowitz | I see that Linux Today woke up a _while ago_ | Jan 20 19:30 |
| Jose_X | fix: as apache also manages... | Jan 20 19:31 |
| schestowitz | People distrust him even outside the scope of those _who KNOW what's going on_ | Jan 20 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Mono promotes ASP.NET | Jan 20 19:31 |
| schestowitz | I.e. even Apache is at risk | Jan 20 19:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Recommendation for Places That Sell #GNU #Linux Servers http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6957/1/ | Jan 20 19:32 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Journal' List of Fan (And Free) #Games for #GNU #Linux http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/more-free-games-linux | Jan 20 19:35 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Comparisons Between Key Toolkits and Desktop Environments http://ur1.ca/ka4h http://ur1.ca/ka4i #gnome #kde | Jan 20 19:36 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenAccess Wins at Open Universities http://ur1.ca/k7lc also: http://ur1.ca/ka96 | Jan 20 19:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #YouTube Pressured into Standards http://blog.kov.eti.br/?p=103 | Jan 20 19:53 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patents Kill Children http://ur1.ca/kact http://ur1.ca/kacv http://ur1.ca/kacw | Jan 20 19:57 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Rocknerd: Last song at the Tote. http://rocknerd.co.uk/2010/01/20/last-song-at-the-tote/ | Jan 20 20:26 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] meanwhile, the Vatican did not find Avatar sufficiently militaristic or imperialistic | Jan 20 20:40 | |
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| MinceR | :) | Jan 20 20:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@pmross I experienced "the Lynx effect" earlier: nearly gagged from the chemicals // well, it's not *supposed* to work on GUYS... :) | Jan 20 20:44 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | interesting: http://twitter.com/americablog/status/7998575800 | Jan 20 20:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patents or Life http://ur1.ca/karc Contradiction between values of patents (mortality) and values of sharing (morality) | Jan 20 20:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Formally Complains About #Novell ’s Masquerading http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/20/screenshots-and-letter-vs-novell/ | Jan 20 21:09 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz:Progressive has hung up on me twice now | Jan 20 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | *Progressive | Jan 20 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | I got my car insurance down by $27 a month and they're asking if they can work with me to get me a better deal after I've already made the first payment with their competitors | Jan 20 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | you ever wonder why companies think they can sweet talk you into staying even after they've pissed you off to the point of leaving? | Jan 20 21:31 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Novell tries to steal #RedHat customers to convert them to #Windows through #SuSE http://ur1.ca/k8z5 #douchebags | Jan 20 21:31 | |
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| DaemonFC | Novell is trying to pull an Oracle | Jan 20 21:35 |
| schestowitz | poorly. | Jan 20 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | I'm certain that Novell "supports" the RHEL installation by having the customer run a program that changes the repositories and RELEASE file to Novell's | Jan 20 21:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Slammed for Spreading Disinformation About #Google http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/20/david-berlind-vs-novell-fud/ #fud | Jan 20 21:36 | |
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| DaemonFC | try going back after you do that | Jan 20 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | Red Hat should sue Novell for it on the grounds that Novell could mess up a patch and it would look like RHEL is shoddy | Jan 20 21:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Now they're after our butter http://newstechnica.com/?p=1260 | Jan 20 21:51 | |
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| schestowitz | Novell would need to fire more staff to fund the lawsuit ;-) | Jan 20 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Or break up with Microsoft and pick up alimony | Jan 20 21:51 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: idiots over at Novell still think that shaking hands with the devil will make lead them to success. :-P | Jan 20 21:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | lulz | Jan 20 21:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | worked for Palin | Jan 20 21:56 |
| Omar87 | correction: remove "make" | Jan 20 21:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] “Technet.microsoft.com Hacked” http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/20/microsoft-pharma-hotmail-abandonment/ | Jan 20 21:59 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: “Technet.microsoft.com Hacked” | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 96.59 KB | Jan 20 21:59 |
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| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: hi :) | Jan 20 22:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: bem vindo! | Jan 20 22:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: friend of mine ^^ | Jan 20 22:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: you should chat to rnb here, he's married to a brasileira, moving to SP this year | Jan 20 22:16 |
| jweyrich | so, what's this anarchism? "can I haz" a machinegun? | Jan 20 22:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: be surprised if you don't know him already hahaha | Jan 20 22:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: lolcats! | Jan 20 22:17 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: haha, thanks. well, looking forward to meet him. | Jan 20 22:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: this channel is a spinoff of the http://boycottnovell.com site | Jan 20 22:18 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Main Page - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 26.72 KB | Jan 20 22:18 |
| jweyrich | lemme check. | Jan 20 22:18 |
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| Jose_X | schestowitz or anyone, do you have quick access to several quotes where ms talks of the gpl as an destroyer of ip? | Jan 20 22:20 |
| jweyrich | well, I support the idea. by the way, we should invite @BillGates. | Jan 20 22:20 |
| Jose_X | I can search, but if you have these handy, I can post them on againstmonopoly website. | Jan 20 22:21 |
| Jose_X | they are also against copyrights to a large degree and it's important to have people realize that the gpl plays an important balancing role | Jan 20 22:21 |
| Jose_X | it's an almost toothless copyright license | Jan 20 22:22 |
| Jose_X | it's an IP killer! | Jan 20 22:22 |
| jweyrich | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/13/microsoft-licensing-gpl-fud | Jan 20 22:22 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft Licences Grow Unpopular While the GPL Despite FUD Keeps Expanding | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 104.39 KB | Jan 20 22:22 |
| jweyrich | or, http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7439/1.html | Jan 20 22:23 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft Patches Linux; Linus Responds | Linux Magazine .::. Size~: 52.82 KB | Jan 20 22:23 |
| jweyrich | phIRCe-local: http://localhost | Jan 20 22:23 |
| jweyrich | :P | Jan 20 22:23 |
| Jose_X | ok, thanks jweyrich | Jan 20 22:24 |
| Jose_X | i wanted more direct quotes, but that link is a good one | Jan 20 22:24 |
| MinceR | http://127.0.0.1/ | Jan 20 22:26 |
| jweyrich | easier to reveal his router. | Jan 20 22:27 |
| jweyrich | afk. | Jan 20 22:28 |
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| MinceR | like this? http://www.auditmypc.com/whats-my-ip.asp | Jan 20 22:36 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Whats my IP Address - IP is 192.150.177.70, Natted IP is.. .::. Size~: 30.6 KB | Jan 20 22:36 |
| *FurnaceBoy afks | Jan 20 22:37 | |
| schestowitz | Jose_X: yes, hold on. | Jan 20 22:38 |
| schestowitz | There's Allchin and Mudie | Jan 20 22:38 |
| schestowitz | *Mundie | Jan 20 22:38 |
| schestowitz | "Open source is an intellectual-property destroyer [...] I can't imagine something that could be worse than this for the software business and the intellectual-property business. I'm an American; I believe in the American way, I worry if the government encourages open source, and I don't think we've done enough education of policymakers to understand the threat." --Jim Allchin | Jan 20 22:39 |
| Jose_X | ok.. just in time | Jan 20 22:39 |
| Jose_X | i was about to click send | Jan 20 22:39 |
| Jose_X | of course i can just post yet again afterwards.. | Jan 20 22:39 |
| Jose_X | but it feels like you slid in to save the day just in time and avoid a catastrophe | Jan 20 22:39 |
| Jose_X | should i wait for the mundie quote | Jan 20 22:41 |
| Jose_X | jweyrich already pointed to the other one | Jan 20 22:41 |
| Jose_X | schestowitz? | Jan 20 22:41 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] “Emergency!” Says #Microsoft as It’s Losing Market Share; All Versions of #Windows Are Vulnerable http://ur1.ca/kb1w | Jan 20 22:52 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: “Emergency!” Says Microsoft as Its Losing Market Share; All Versions of Windows Are Vulnerable | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 103.04 KB | Jan 20 22:52 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How #Microsoft Exploits the Term “Open Source” to Marginalise Freedom http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/20/dodging-ambiguous-terms/ | Jan 20 23:13 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: How Microsoft Exploits the Term “Open Source” to Marginalise Freedom | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 98.83 KB | Jan 20 23:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Started the upgrade remotely from work of desktop at home to Ubuntu 10.04 (to be Lucid Lynx). Finished by the time I got home. Yay. | Jan 20 23:22 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Opinions on #Mono , Miguel de Icaza, and the “Windows Stratagem” http://ur1.ca/kb7d #ballmer #developers | Jan 20 23:29 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: New Opinions on Mono, Miguel de Icaza, and the “Windows Stratagem” | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 97.96 KB | Jan 20 23:29 |
| Jose_X | schestowitz, could you try downloading this page and tell me if the whole page downloads (ie, if the comment box appears)? | Jan 20 23:29 |
| Jose_X | http://www.againstmonopoly.org/index.php?perm=593056000000002334 | Jan 20 23:29 |
| Jose_X | or can anyone else check for me | Jan 20 23:29 |
| Jose_X | i am having trouble accessing the site completely | Jan 20 23:30 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Losing my mind. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/26656.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/540566.html | Jan 20 23:32 | |
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| _goblin | evening all. | Jan 20 23:43 |
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| schestowitz | Jose_X: hey | Jan 20 23:50 |
| schestowitz | [22:41] <Jose_X> schestowitz? | Jan 20 23:51 |
| schestowitz | [22:41] <Jose_X> should i wait for the mundie quote | Jan 20 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Those quotes are not as good | Jan 20 23:51 |
| Jose_X | do you have one? | Jan 20 23:51 |
| Jose_X | ok, np | Jan 20 23:51 |
| schestowitz | eventing, _goblin | Jan 20 23:51 |
| schestowitz | *evening | Jan 20 23:51 |
| _goblin | had a very interesting email | Jan 20 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Jose_X: the site works | Jan 20 23:51 |
| _goblin | from the creator of Puppy. | Jan 20 23:52 |
| _goblin | seems you do have to get permission from him to use the word "Puppy" | Jan 20 23:52 |
| _goblin | I am asking him to clarify.... | Jan 20 23:52 |
| Jose_X | thanks schestowitz. i'll try again.. maybe i posted too much and the system is not giving me the full page..??? | Jan 20 23:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Ubuntu Lucid crash crashy hang hang. I point to nvidia binary driver with no evidence whatsoever. | Jan 20 23:54 | |
| schestowitz | Jose_X: I'm citing Against Monopoly now... | Jan 20 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Gimme 5 mins | Jan 20 23:58 |
| Jose_X | ok | Jan 20 23:59 |
| Jose_X | 4 is what I can afford to give you | Jan 20 23:59 |
| Jose_X | will that do? | Jan 20 23:59 |
| Jose_X | I can't budge on this one very much, sorry | Jan 20 23:59 |
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