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| rnb | wow, nobody's here? | Jan 21 00:07 |
| rnb | thats rare | Jan 21 00:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Hypocrites Denounce #Google Over #Books While Taking Away Books from the British Public http://ur1.ca/kbb8 | Jan 21 00:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Chinese bourgeoisie pigs out on rare, endangered species; even kills inhumanely. #China http://bit.ly/4A6yXX <- 2yo report. Any left at all? | Jan 21 00:21 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | http://twitter.com/JusticeforGaza/status/8006227380 | Jan 21 00:31 |
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| FurnaceBoy | rnb: ola | Jan 21 00:32 |
| schestowitz | Hey, rnb | Jan 21 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Jose_X: it's posted now | Jan 21 00:36 |
| schestowitz | See last link | Jan 21 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: That's not biased or anything :) | Jan 21 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | some French idiot politician is bitching that the landing of a French plane was delayed because the runway was full | Jan 21 00:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: planes are being turned away | Jan 21 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | delayed by hours even | Jan 21 00:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | at least they only have to land in D.R. | Jan 21 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | Haiti doesn't even have an army | Jan 21 00:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | they do now | Jan 21 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | if anyone wanted to occupy them, they could have done it before | Jan 21 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | what do they have that we want? | Jan 21 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | poverty and AIDS? | Jan 21 00:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | oil. a lot of it. | Jan 21 00:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: go read the post by @cynthiamckinney | Jan 21 00:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | also http://twitter.com/mparent77772/status/7998463711 | Jan 21 00:40 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Twitter / Marc Parent: Haiti Has Larger Oil Reser ... .::. Size~: 10.17 KB | Jan 21 00:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: plus, as discussed the other day, it's a staging post for eventual actions against leftist regimes in South America | Jan 21 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | why would anyone need to wait for an earthquake to kill unarmed peasants? | Jan 21 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | they couldn't have resisted an occupation before this? | Jan 21 00:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: these opportunities are crucial and eagerly seized upon. | Jan 21 00:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | also read http://twitter.com/cynthiamckinney/status/7925900581 | Jan 21 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | I think this is the same group of jilted liberals and Muslims as it always is | Jan 21 00:41 |
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| DaemonFC | doing what they do best | Jan 21 00:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | think whatever you like. | Jan 21 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | generating conspiracies and complaining | Jan 21 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | you notice the Muslim news agency is covering that, in the first video | Jan 21 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | why would they have any reason to tell the truth? | Jan 21 00:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell ’s Latest Acts of Misery http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/20/novell-latest-anti-rht-deed/ | Jan 21 00:43 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: this has nothing to do with Muslims | Jan 21 00:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: whatsoever | Jan 21 00:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | what is *my* motive, as a privileged white motherfucker, to make anything up? | Jan 21 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | they'll find the best way to spin-doctor every piece to be as anti-US as possible | Jan 21 00:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | idiot. | Jan 21 00:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you automatically reject any criticism of the US. | Jan 21 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | you're not making it up, you're buying into the assholes who are | Jan 21 00:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: merited or not. | Jan 21 00:44 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8452260.stm | Jan 21 00:45 |
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| schestowitz | [00:44] <FurnaceBoy> DaemonFC: you automatically reject any criticism of the US. | Jan 21 00:46 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC has heaps of complaints | Jan 21 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | "in video below" *cough* from Fox News *cough* you can see that the US Army is clearly brutalizing Katrina victims in *SELECT* clips that were edited together to make our point | Jan 21 00:46 |
| schestowitz | The blacks, the women, the straights, the charlatans | Jan 21 00:47 |
| schestowitz | But he never criticised his country | Jan 21 00:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the BBC? those communist muslim hippie liberal rapist jew-hating stalinist sons of bitches????? | Jan 21 00:47 |
| schestowitz | He never did | Jan 21 00:47 |
| DaemonFC | Why are they putting video clips from al Jazeera and Fox News on the same page? | Jan 21 00:47 |
| schestowitz | I don't trust the BBC, but there's worse | Jan 21 00:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I'm not holding my breath | Jan 21 00:48 |
| DaemonFC | does anyone else get amused from seeing that? | Jan 21 00:48 |
| schestowitz | The media in the USSR and the USA for example | Jan 21 00:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: no shit | Jan 21 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Where patriotism is much higher | Jan 21 00:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | nationalism is a gonorrhea of the mind | Jan 21 00:48 |
| schestowitz | [00:47] <DaemonFC> Why are they putting video clips from al Jazeera and Fox News on the same page? | Jan 21 00:48 |
| DaemonFC | it's actually what you have when you have something to lose | Jan 21 00:48 |
| DaemonFC | nationalism that is | Jan 21 00:49 |
| schestowitz | Fox is the American al Jazeera | Jan 21 00:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: nationalism is a worthless disease | Jan 21 00:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you should take some sulfa pills | Jan 21 00:49 |
| schestowitz | /American/IS/ | Jan 21 00:49 |
| schestowitz | /American/US/ | Jan 21 00:49 |
| DaemonFC | Haiti probably had no sense of national pride | Jan 21 00:49 |
| DaemonFC | Poverty and AIDS | Jan 21 00:49 |
| DaemonFC | every man for himself | Jan 21 00:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: quit making judgments about countries you never visited or will ever visit. | Jan 21 00:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: or have a clue about. | Jan 21 00:49 |
| DaemonFC | stab you in the back if you turn arouns | Jan 21 00:49 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: which countries have you been to? | Jan 21 00:49 |
| schestowitz | And which continents? | Jan 21 00:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | and how many passports do you have? | Jan 21 00:50 |
| schestowitz | Pls don't escape the Q | Jan 21 00:50 |
| DaemonFC | I have a passport | Jan 21 00:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | congrats! | Jan 21 00:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's a start | Jan 21 00:50 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: he thinks France is just gypsies with knives | Jan 21 00:50 |
| schestowitz | Cause him mom saw something | Jan 21 00:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: that puts you in a tiny minority of USamericans | Jan 21 00:50 |
| DaemonFC | I was last out of the country in 2006 | Jan 21 00:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: passed out unconscious doesn't count | Jan 21 00:51 |
| MinceR | nationalism is a mental disorder | Jan 21 00:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: worse | Jan 21 00:51 |
| schestowitz | He escaped my question | Jan 21 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | there's few countries I would stay in given a choice | Jan 21 00:51 |
| schestowitz | As I expected | Jan 21 00:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: answer schestowitz's question | Jan 21 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't even want to go back to Mexico | Jan 21 00:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | ah. Mexico. | Jan 21 00:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | in most ways, more civilised than the USA. | Jan 21 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | not really | Jan 21 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Culture | Jan 21 00:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | IME certainly. | Jan 21 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | the drug cartels pay the police to set up checkpoints | Jan 21 00:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | health care is superior. | Jan 21 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | the police make sure to stop their rivals | Jan 21 00:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | food is better. | Jan 21 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | almost all the police there are bribed | Jan 21 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | at least, that's the strong impression I was left with | Jan 21 00:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | odd, I don't remember bribing any cops... | Jan 21 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | the Mexican army disarms the police when they move into a drug-infested town | Jan 21 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | (so they don't get shot in the back I'm sure) | Jan 21 00:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you realise the cartels do most of their gun shopping in the states? | Jan 21 00:54 |
| DaemonFC | they know what the score is | Jan 21 00:54 |
| DaemonFC | why don't you? | Jan 21 00:54 |
| DaemonFC | doubt it | Jan 21 00:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: there are stores who openly specialise in that market | Jan 21 00:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: absolutely documented | Jan 21 00:54 |
| DaemonFC | they have stuff that would make anything you buy here look like a pop gun | Jan 21 00:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: and they buy it in the states, mostly | Jan 21 00:54 |
| DaemonFC | bullshit | Jan 21 00:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: no, this is true. | Jan 21 00:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: there is a very robust traffic in open purchases of weapons in the states | Jan 21 00:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: by the cartels | Jan 21 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | you can buy grenades and fully automatic assault rifles and machine pistols in quantity, here in the US? | Jan 21 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt it | Jan 21 00:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: many stores it's the main clientele, they're uh making a killing. | Jan 21 00:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's true, actually. go look it up. | Jan 21 00:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: clearly you never did. | Jan 21 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | do you know what happens if you get caught with ONE fully automatic AK-47? | Jan 21 00:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: they stock according to cartel customer preferences. | Jan 21 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | much less a store full of them | Jan 21 00:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: go look it up instead of spouting off. | Jan 21 00:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: a large part of cartel gun supply is USA retail stores. | Jan 21 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | I don't believe you because someone would have to be stupid to risk that | Jan 21 00:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's absolutely true, and you can confirm it in 2 minutes on the net. | Jan 21 00:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: or just drive to TX and do some actual research, if you don't believe the net. | Jan 21 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | *I* would not possess one, because I don't want to go to federal prison for 30 years | Jan 21 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | much less have dozens of them on hand | Jan 21 00:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you're hung up on specifics. | Jan 21 00:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: nobody said "open trade in illegal weapons". | Jan 21 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | I'm telling you, dealing that shit would be a life sentence | Jan 21 00:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: nonetheless, a large part of the weapon supply is USA retail stores. | Jan 21 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | it's just not worth the chance of getting caught | Jan 21 00:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you can continue to deny it without checking if you wish. | Jan 21 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | not even the chance | Jan 21 00:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: there is no relevance to what you are saying. | Jan 21 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | I could see them getting semi-automatics here, shotguns | Jan 21 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | but that's not what they're using | Jan 21 00:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: don't make me go find references. | Jan 21 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | they've got firepower that rivals the Mexican army | Jan 21 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | they can hold their own in a firefight with this stuff | Jan 21 00:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I have to go out to see a movie: Polytechnique, about the 14 Canadian women killed at Montreal university by a gun-toting freak | Jan 21 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | stuff you can buy in the US just wouldn't do that | Jan 21 00:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | who does that remind me of... | Jan 21 00:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: nonetheless, they buy a large part of their arsenal in the US, if you care to look it up. | Jan 21 00:59 |
| DaemonFC | I could do better than that easily | Jan 21 00:59 |
| DaemonFC | without using one single illegal component | Jan 21 00:59 |
| DaemonFC | but that's not the point | Jan 21 00:59 |
| DaemonFC | we're not talking covert stuff or firing on a crowd randomly | Jan 21 00:59 |
| DaemonFC | we're talking about hardware that can have the MEXICAN ARMY pinned down | Jan 21 01:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | the fact that not ALL of their arsenal is bought retail doesn't attack my point at all. | Jan 21 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | and there's not a single thing you can buy in the US, in quantity, that can do that | Jan 21 01:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: unless you are Israel | Jan 21 01:01 |
| *FurnaceBoy giggles | Jan 21 01:01 | |
| FurnaceBoy | gotta keep brown people on the right side of the weapon | Jan 21 01:01 |
| DaemonFC | MAC-11 with flash suppressor and silencer | Jan 21 01:03 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jan 21 01:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | your gun porn is not titillating | Jan 21 01:04 |
| DaemonFC | I'd also kind of like to have an M-40 | Jan 21 01:05 |
| DaemonFC | armor piercing rounds | Jan 21 01:05 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 21 01:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Anyone in #Toronto? POLYTECHNIQUE film about the #Montreal Ecole shooting of 14 women TONIGHT @ #Cinematheque #Ontario http://bit.ly/5h94PO | Jan 21 01:05 | |
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| DaemonFC | with one of those you could make the DC snipers look like amateurs (cause they were and they had cheap rifles) | Jan 21 01:07 |
| DaemonFC | and what else was funny was that they took more than one shot from the same location | Jan 21 01:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | you would know better | Jan 21 01:07 |
| DaemonFC | yes, I would | Jan 21 01:07 |
| DaemonFC | if you miss, you miss | Jan 21 01:07 |
| DaemonFC | don't shoot twice | Jan 21 01:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | is your favourite fantasy BEING the bad guy or KILLING the bad guy? how do you know the difference? | Jan 21 01:07 |
| *FurnaceBoy afks -- movie | Jan 21 01:07 | |
| DaemonFC | I know what I would do if I was the bad guy | Jan 21 01:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | and you have the equipemtn | Jan 21 01:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | ment* | Jan 21 01:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | perfect combo | Jan 21 01:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | you can switch sides any time | Jan 21 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | it's simple that if you fire twice, people will know which direction the shots came from | Jan 21 01:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Has any1 explained WHY planes continue 2 be rerouted. http://bit.ly/4zteU8 #haiti @msf_canada | Jan 21 01:08 | |
| DaemonFC | cause they were not listening for the first one | Jan 21 01:08 |
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| DaemonFC | and a silencer is obviously not going to happen on a sniper rifle | Jan 21 01:09 |
| DaemonFC | so you are going to make a hell of a large bang | Jan 21 01:09 |
| DaemonFC | *it could be done, but you're reducing your effective range and accuracy | Jan 21 01:09 |
| DaemonFC | by quite a lot | Jan 21 01:10 |
| DaemonFC | which kind of defeats the point of having a sniper rifle | Jan 21 01:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | why do you think so much about killing people? | Jan 21 01:10 |
| DaemonFC | the news maybe | Jan 21 01:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | no shit | Jan 21 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | watching stupid criminals getting themselves caught by making rookie mistakes | Jan 21 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | the criminal that is the most interesting is the one that doesn't have a motive | Jan 21 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | they just kill people | Jan 21 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | randomly | Jan 21 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | those are always the ones it takes the longest to catch | Jan 21 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | what's interesting is how they eventually get themselves caught | Jan 21 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | what kind of evidence the police have on them | Jan 21 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | like, before they get rid of their gun, you'd think that they'd use a wire brush on everything that came in contact with the bullets and casings | Jan 21 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | they never do though, so the FBI easily matches the gun with the bullets they dug out of the victims | Jan 21 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | or the casings left on the ground (another mistake) | Jan 21 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | keeping the clothes you were wearing at the time is also not the best idea | Jan 21 01:15 |
| DaemonFC | (fiber matching) | Jan 21 01:15 |
| DaemonFC | and revolvers are never a good choice to murder someone with | Jan 21 01:15 |
| DaemonFC | (powder all over the place and impossible to silence) | Jan 21 01:16 |
| DaemonFC | also it's best to just think of any weapon you're going to commit a crime with as disposable to begin with | Jan 21 01:17 |
| DaemonFC | now, I've had some of mine since I was 18 and haven't ever done anything illegal with any of them | Jan 21 01:19 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: Maybe I don't intend to kill anyone, maybe I just like target shooting and the idea that if I'm attacked, it's there | Jan 21 01:19 |
| DaemonFC | accusing someone of owning a gun of wanting to kill people is like accusing someone who practices Karate as wanting to beat people to a pulp | Jan 21 01:20 |
| DaemonFC | *someone owning a gun | Jan 21 01:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I didn't make that accusation | Jan 21 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | maybe you can kill with a chainsaw | Jan 21 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | maybe the liberals could make those against the law | Jan 21 01:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/17/business/17ping.html?em | Jan 21 01:21 |
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| schestowitz | [01:08] <DaemonFC> it's simple that if you fire twice, people will know which direction the shots came from | Jan 21 01:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: no, I'd like a chainsaw on hand in case Condi Rice drops by. | Jan 21 01:21 |
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| schestowitz | If shot from different directions you can use triangulation to determine exact position. | Jan 21 01:22 |
| schestowitz | But you'd need to catch those two bullets slowly enough to see their direction (two points) | Jan 21 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: It actually scared me that it took the police that long to catch the DC snipers | Jan 21 01:23 |
| schestowitz | So you basically need 4 cords from 2 trajectories | Jan 21 01:23 |
| schestowitz | *coords | Jan 21 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | and you wonder why people like to carry a gun? | Jan 21 01:23 |
| schestowitz | Exactly | Jan 21 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | It's cause 911 sends help at 60 miles per hour | Jan 21 01:23 |
| schestowitz | They shouldn't | Jan 21 01:23 |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | DaemonFC: no, we know why. | Jan 21 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | and a gun sends help at 800 miles per hour | Jan 21 01:23 |
| schestowitz | Stop being silly | Jan 21 01:23 |
| rnb | uffff, i have a headache | Jan 21 01:23 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy|afk: my brazilian wife pronounces headache like "head cake" | Jan 21 01:24 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy|afk: its cute | Jan 21 01:24 |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | rnb: my BR coder friend jweyrich dropped by. pity he isn't here now ... keep an eye out for him, say hi | Jan 21 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Cake can give you headache | Jan 21 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Depends what it's made of | Jan 21 01:24 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy|afk: ok | Jan 21 01:24 |
| DaemonFC | Liberal: "Sorry m'am, your .38 special is ilelgal now, gun control.....you'll just have to be raped now, I suggest you don't fight, it'll just piss him off" | Jan 21 01:24 |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | rnb: gotta go out now. tchau | Jan 21 01:24 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 21 01:25 |
| rnb | schestowitz: my head cake is currently from using CakePHP | Jan 21 01:25 |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | DaemonFC: these fantasies do you no credit | Jan 21 01:25 |
| rnb | schestowitz: so.. there you go | Jan 21 01:25 |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | rnb: ah, I use that in $DAYJOB .. maybe I can give you a hand. | Jan 21 01:25 |
| DaemonFC | Obama being elected was a stimulus act for gun shops | Jan 21 01:26 |
| *FurnaceBoy|afk goes to take cheap public transit to a safe downtown to watch independent fracking cinema | Jan 21 01:26 | |
| DaemonFC | people are hoarding them in case "Something gun control this way comes" | Jan 21 01:27 |
| FurnaceBoy|afk | heh, like that's an actual threat. try "getting sick". | Jan 21 01:27 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy|afk: The government, and by that I mean any government will take any excuse it can get to declare a public emergency to take more individual rights away | Jan 21 01:32 |
| DaemonFC | just ask schestowitz about the fake police and the video cameras everywhere | Jan 21 01:32 |
| DaemonFC | yet everyone defends the policies that got the UK under surveillance, counterfeit cops, and disarmed | Jan 21 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | says the United States should follow down that trap | Jan 21 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know exactly where you all get off trash talking me when I say I don't want that here | Jan 21 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sorry, we're fucked up in our own way without *also* mimicking where other countries went horribly wrong | Jan 21 01:35 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 21 01:35 |
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| DaemonFC | If anyone walks around in a police uniform who is not a police officer here, they go to jail | Jan 21 01:37 |
| DaemonFC | the government does not recognize pretend police with no arrest powers there to make everyone on edge | Jan 21 01:37 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100118/0150207787.shtml | Jan 21 01:37 |
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| schestowitz | Hoax: http://techdirt.com/articles/20091231/1603197571.shtml | Jan 21 01:37 |
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| DaemonFC | I also understand that the UK has problems with people sawing off the barrel on shotguns and robbing stores with those | Jan 21 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | and if you take away their knives, they'll use sharp sticks | Jan 21 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | you're not going to stop a criminal | Jan 21 01:39 |
| schestowitz | What are you talking about? | Jan 21 01:39 |
| schestowitz | Stop, troll | Jan 21 01:39 |
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| schestowitz | DRM at Apple | Jan 21 01:41 |
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| trmanco | hey | Jan 21 01:44 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: ping | Jan 21 01:44 |
| trmanco | I-m hear already | Jan 21 01:45 |
| trmanco | just to let you know | Jan 21 01:45 |
| trmanco | :) | Jan 21 01:45 |
| trmanco | cya, I'm tired | Jan 21 01:45 |
| trmanco | :P | Jan 21 01:46 |
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| schestowitz | hey | Jan 21 01:46 |
| schestowitz | Too late | Jan 21 01:46 |
| schestowitz | http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2010/01/a-new-definition-for-sedentary-behavior.html | Jan 21 01:47 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: A new way to think about sedentary behavior | Booster Shots | Los Angeles Times .::. Size~: 82.69 KB | Jan 21 01:47 |
| schestowitz | Sensationalism: http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/333159/kernal_contributer_says_linux_community_can_intimidating/ | Jan 21 01:48 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Kernel contributor says Linux community 'can be intimidating' - linux kernel, linux.conf.au, Linux, Jonathan Corbet - Computerworld .::. Size~: 73.71 KB | Jan 21 01:48 |
| schestowitz | They pick up just one line and make drama from it, which is something Linus complained about | Jan 21 01:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itworld.com/open-source/93110/drupals-dries-buytaert-building-next-drupal | Jan 21 01:50 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Drupal's Dries Buytaert on Building the Next Drupal | ITworld .::. Size~: 88.73 KB | Jan 21 01:50 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/01/ron-paul-cia/ | Jan 21 01:55 |
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| Jose_X | schestowitz, i looked earlier when you mentioned you posted and there was a link at the bottom | Jan 21 01:56 |
| Jose_X | i checked again now and still don't know what you meant. | Jan 21 01:56 |
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| Jose_X | i see the irc posting but no link.. ok, wait... | Jan 21 01:56 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/JoeNBC/status/7929706455 | Jan 21 01:56 |
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| Jose_X | ok, i see, you ended the irc log around where the againstmonopoly links were posted. | Jan 21 01:57 |
| Jose_X | ohhhhhh | Jan 21 01:57 |
| Jose_X | :-) | Jan 21 01:57 |
| schestowitz | They ought to write more | Jan 21 01:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/01/20/pro_texting_report/ | Jan 21 02:00 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Report finds texting a 'valid educational tool' • Register Hardware .::. Size~: 17.85 KB | Jan 21 02:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-1244657/Air-France-charge-obese-passengers-fat-tax-April-1st.html | Jan 21 02:02 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Air France to charge obese passengers 'fat tax' from April 1st | Mail Online .::. Size~: 64.08 KB | Jan 21 02:02 |
| rnb | DaemonFC> the government does not recognize pretend police with no arrest powers there to make everyone on edge | Jan 21 02:03 |
| rnb | thats because in the US, the private, pretend police are "deputized" | Jan 21 02:03 |
| rnb | and then they get arrest powers | Jan 21 02:04 |
| rnb | like blackwater during katrina | Jan 21 02:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Proprietary software in Ubuntu? – Good or bad? http://tinyurl.com/yc8t2bv #linux #foss #ubuntu #photoshop #gnu | Jan 21 02:04 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Proprietary software in Ubuntu? Good or bad? « OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 34.62 KB | Jan 21 02:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/20/nyt_charge_official/ | Jan 21 02:11 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: New York Times builds paywall - very slowly • The Register .::. Size~: 26.65 KB | Jan 21 02:11 |
| schestowitz | Pillocks | Jan 21 02:11 |
| _goblin | thats a word I havent heard for a while | Jan 21 02:18 |
| schestowitz | http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9595_22-385201.html | Jan 21 02:20 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Google investigates China insiders over attacks | Tech News on ZDNet .::. Size~: 69.04 KB | Jan 21 02:20 |
| schestowitz | Nice when your employer calls you a crook, eh? | Jan 21 02:20 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: remember that if Ubuntu becomes another OS X, then we lose | Jan 21 02:21 |
| schestowitz | Linux should not just be another win/mac with a Tux logo and a name that says "LINUX" | Jan 21 02:21 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: There's nothing stopping that | Jan 21 02:22 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: ask yourself what the goal is | Jan 21 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | they can build in all the proprietary crap they like | Jan 21 02:22 |
| schestowitz | Are you trying to replace a Tesco with an Asda? | Jan 21 02:22 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jan 21 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | don't even have to make their frameworks open source | Jan 21 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | could end up being Linux+ | Jan 21 02:22 |
| schestowitz | The GPL stops them | Jan 21 02:23 |
| DaemonFC | no id doesn't | Jan 21 02:23 |
| schestowitz | It does | Jan 21 02:23 |
| schestowitz | For most parts | Jan 21 02:23 |
| DaemonFC | not if they don't link to anything GPL it doesn't | Jan 21 02:23 |
| schestowitz | Not the whole stack | Jan 21 02:23 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu likes GPL | Jan 21 02:23 |
| schestowitz | It uses it almost exclusively | Jan 21 02:23 |
| schestowitz | Most of Ubuntu is GPL and LGPL (OOo) | Jan 21 02:23 |
| DaemonFC | like if they decided they wanted to write a new API that was Ubuntu-specific | Jan 21 02:23 |
| schestowitz | They would not | Jan 21 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | which is way out of their league | Jan 21 02:24 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFOX | Jan 21 02:24 |
| schestowitz | You're trolling | Jan 21 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | but they theoretically could | Jan 21 02:24 |
| schestowitz | Yes, theoriitically | Jan 21 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | What I see them doing is replacing anything they use with a Mono equivalent (if any) | Jan 21 02:25 |
| DaemonFC | they already said they want to remove Rhythmbox and put in Banshee so they're iPod compatible | Jan 21 02:25 |
| Aondo | what in ubuntu is mono these days? and what is for sure in it in april version? | Jan 21 02:25 |
| schestowitz | http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/01/20/haiti.amateur.radio/index.html | Jan 21 02:26 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Low-tech radios connect some Haitians - CNN.com .::. Size~: 61.82 KB | Jan 21 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | F-Spot, Tomboy | Jan 21 02:26 |
| Aondo | ok | Jan 21 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | they're removing the GIMP | Jan 21 02:26 |
| schestowitz | Aondo: no Banshee luckily | Jan 21 02:26 |
| schestowitz | Not for now | Jan 21 02:26 |
| schestowitz | Just fspot and tomboy | Jan 21 02:26 |
| Aondo | it got voted down? | Jan 21 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | it'll happen | Jan 21 02:26 |
| schestowitz | Mint adds gnome-do | Jan 21 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | just not yet | Jan 21 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | there's lots of iPods floating around, just wait | Jan 21 02:27 |
| DaemonFC | there's pressure on them to support that | Jan 21 02:27 |
| schestowitz | amarok supports ipods | Jan 21 02:27 |
| schestowitz | KDE4 is advanced | Jan 21 02:27 |
| schestowitz | OpenSUSE moved from GNOME to KDE | Jan 21 02:27 |
| schestowitz | Because of kde 4.3 | Jan 21 02:27 |
| DaemonFC | OpenSuse didn't have a default before | Jan 21 02:27 |
| schestowitz | MarkS just POOF!! Vanished | Jan 21 02:27 |
| schestowitz | Dec 17 (my birthday) he announced stepping down, radio silence since | Jan 21 02:28 |
| DaemonFC | the only difference is the checkmark is selecting KDE by default now | Jan 21 02:28 |
| _goblin | "remember that if Ubuntu becomes another OS X, then we lose" - I would disagree... I think diversity in computing not only is good for the end user but forces open standards as not one platform has the monopoly. | Jan 21 02:28 |
| Aondo | i think some day we could have "rawstudio" replacing fspot within ubuntu, it is not as advanced as gimp. and despite its name it does not only handle raw camera formats. | Jan 21 02:28 |
| DaemonFC | if you just slap "next", you get KDE | Jan 21 02:28 |
| DaemonFC | I think the biggest think that's wrong with Kopete is the same thing that's wrong with Pidgin and Empathy | Jan 21 02:29 |
| *schestowitz slaps DaemonFOX | Jan 21 02:29 | |
| Aondo | hmm was there not another photo software that just got freed? | Jan 21 02:29 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: As I say diversity is good, a good example is IE and its frequent exploits....now if users were split more evenly between all browsers, would we see the attacks we do? | Jan 21 02:30 |
| DaemonFC | instead of fully supporting any protocol, it jsut becomes a lowest common denominator | Jan 21 02:30 |
| schestowitz | Aondo: disney's mesh stuff | Jan 21 02:30 |
| schestowitz | But there was another one | Jan 21 02:30 |
| schestowitz | I can't recall the name | Jan 21 02:30 |
| Aondo | no that's about textures, not photo | Jan 21 02:30 |
| schestowitz | Like 3 in the past year... going GPL | Jan 21 02:30 |
| schestowitz | Adobe will get the heat..... | Jan 21 02:30 |
| schestowitz | If not GPL, then can't compete | Jan 21 02:30 |
| Aondo | http://www.rawtherapee.com/ | Jan 21 02:31 |
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| Aondo | it was | Jan 21 02:31 |
| schestowitz | People come to expect (initially) free stuff | Jan 21 02:31 |
| schestowitz | Google, Docs, OOo, FF....... | Jan 21 02:31 |
| Aondo | yea | Jan 21 02:31 |
| schestowitz | Windows too | Jan 21 02:31 |
| schestowitz | Apple lumps in the cost with h/w | Jan 21 02:32 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft embeds this in new PCs | Jan 21 02:32 |
| Aondo | i've gotten the habbit now, on certain electro stores to swap the computers web browser to openoffice.org and by the computers side you have retail ms office lying around | Jan 21 02:32 |
| schestowitz | People opt for OS-free and Microsoft loses leverage there | Jan 21 02:32 |
| schestowitz | "web browser to openoffice.org"? | Jan 21 02:33 |
| schestowitz | How does that work? | Jan 21 02:33 |
| Aondo | well you have computers they sell and are just standing there | Jan 21 02:33 |
| Aondo | so i just make it display on their monitors, about openoffice | Jan 21 02:33 |
| schestowitz | http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/01/18/china.gmail/index.html | Jan 21 02:33 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Journalists in China face e-mail hijacking - CNN.com .::. Size~: 42.75 KB | Jan 21 02:33 |
| schestowitz | Hypocrites | Jan 21 02:33 |
| schestowitz | Today: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/01/nsl-abuse/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/18/AR2010011803982.html?hpid=topnews | Jan 21 02:34 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: FBI Broke Law Spying on Americans Phone Records, Post Reports | Threat Level | Wired.com .::. Size~: 82.51 KB | Jan 21 02:34 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches - washingtonpost.com .::. Size~: 94.04 KB | Jan 21 02:34 |
| schestowitz | Why is it called OpenOffice anyway? | Jan 21 02:34 |
| schestowitz | We should call it Office | Jan 21 02:34 |
| schestowitz | Then rename Microsoft's "hostileOffice.com | Jan 21 02:34 |
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| Aondo | hehe | Jan 21 02:35 |
| schestowitz | I'm watching some CNN feeds... | Jan 21 02:35 |
| schestowitz | Very pro-US | Jan 21 02:35 |
| schestowitz | http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/01/17/china.google/index.html | Jan 21 02:35 |
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| schestowitz | "bad! Bad, China!" | Jan 21 02:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/techchron/detail?blogid=19&entry_id=55509 | Jan 21 02:40 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks tom China | Jan 21 02:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] If I see one more Rey V Batista match I'll scream..takes me back to all those Undertaker v Kane matches around 1998 #wwe #wrestling | Jan 21 02:46 | |
| DaemonFC | http://bit.ly/6OvfOL | Jan 21 02:50 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/Hey-Microsoft-Internet-Explorer-security-talk-is-cheap/1263932127 | Jan 21 02:56 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Hey, Microsoft, Internet Explorer security talk is cheap | Betanews .::. Size~: 67.41 KB | Jan 21 02:56 |
| schestowitz | Does this run Linux? http://www.cbronline.com/news/shoretel_unveils_new_version_of_uc_software_100118 | Jan 21 03:05 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: ShoreTel unveils new version of UC software - Computer Business Review : News .::. Size~: 51.71 KB | Jan 21 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | http://bit.ly/5o6g5G | Jan 21 03:15 |
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| DaemonFC | Why are the black ones only $50 while the white ones are $75? | Jan 21 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | RACISM! | Jan 21 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | I guess I'll take the big black ones :D | Jan 21 03:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.fsf.org/appeal/2009/mako/ | Jan 21 03:21 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: You ever wonder how Bose sells so many products? | Jan 21 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | old people whose hearing is shot and don't know the $600 wave radio is crap? | Jan 21 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather have a $60 boom box from Walmart | Jan 21 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | than anything Bose makes | Jan 21 03:32 |
| schestowitz | Cause you're DaemonFOX | Jan 21 03:32 |
| schestowitz | You'd have a Dodge | Jan 21 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'll probably get a Honda next time | Jan 21 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | something off lease | Jan 21 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | Why would I buy a Dodge? | Jan 21 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | Rush Limbaugh can outrun a Dodge | Jan 21 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 21 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | well, anyone can really I guess | Jan 21 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | wait for them to make it 50 feet and run out of gas | Jan 21 03:35 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Jan 21 03:36 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Gonad The Barbarian AKA my former step dad, had a Dodge truck | Jan 21 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | 6 liter V8 | Jan 21 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | I drove it once | Jan 21 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | it used half a tank of gas driving about 50 miles round trip | Jan 21 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | Why in the HELL would I buy a Dodge? | Jan 21 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | well, the Stratus handles pretty well actually, has a much more reasonable V6, 2.7 liter I think | Jan 21 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | so yeah, I might drive a Dodge Stratus | Jan 21 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | those are actually a decent car | Jan 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/European-approval-for-Oracle-acquisition-of-Sun-expected-this-week-907816.html | Jan 21 03:38 |
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| DaemonFC | I wouldn't want to drive anything with an engine much smaller than that though, unless it was a DOHC | Jan 21 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | the 2 liter DOHC I4 isn't a bad deal, you see those on Japanese imports a lot | Jan 21 03:39 |
| schestowitz | "Liter"? | Jan 21 03:39 |
| schestowitz | Litre? | Jan 21 03:39 |
| schestowitz | Gallon for you, no? | Jan 21 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | displacement is in liters, schestowitz | Jan 21 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | tank capacity is in gallons | Jan 21 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: It's confusing because a very few things are metric here | Jan 21 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | just enough to piss you off when you have to stop and think about how much of something you're getting | Jan 21 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: you want to know something REALLY INCREDIBLY perverse? | Jan 21 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | half the stuff on my car takes metric sockets | Jan 21 03:42 |
| Balrog | DaemonFC: ahh the wonders of globalization | Jan 21 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | the rest of it is US customary units | Jan 21 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | oh yeah | Jan 21 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | then there's a thing or two that takes Ford specialty sockets that only Ford dealers have | Jan 21 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | I spent 20 minutes on the side of the road one time forcing off a specialty nut with a metric socket and my foot | Jan 21 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 21 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | I figured the bolt would be a dollar or two and the tow was going to be $150 or so if I didn't get the SOB off of there | Jan 21 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | somehow I managed to not break the bolt, and even get it back on when I was finished replacing the serpentine belt and the seized idler pulley which welded itself onto the assembly | Jan 21 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | I was not happy when I found that out | Jan 21 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | I had to go back home and get my sledgehammer and break it off | Jan 21 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | the one I took off was probably steel, it felt heavy enough | Jan 21 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | the one I put on was heat tempered plastic | Jan 21 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | it's what $20 at Auto Zone gets you | Jan 21 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | but long story short, I got the new pulley and a gatorback serpentine belt for like $35 all told and fixed it myself in the breakdown lane on the highway | Jan 21 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | probably would have been more like $70 for labor, $80 for parts, and $150 for a tow if I went that route | Jan 21 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | but then there was also the time my heater quit working and I had to take the dashboard apart and fix that | Jan 21 03:50 |
| DaemonFC | the blend door actuator stopped working | Jan 21 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | $15 at auto zone and about 6 hours to take the dash apart and put it back together | Jan 21 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | vs $600 to have the shop do it | Jan 21 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | I've also replaced the radiator | Jan 21 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | the old one is floating down a river somewhere I'm sure | Jan 21 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | $150 vs about $450 in the shop | Jan 21 03:53 |
| schestowitz | Metric is OK | Jan 21 03:53 |
| schestowitz | At least it's decimal | Jan 21 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | replacing spark plugs, wires, and ignition coils, did that too | Jan 21 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | I rebuilt the engine in my last car | Jan 21 03:54 |
| schestowitz | We no longer count in units of 60, like the Babylons (except time) | Jan 21 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | I had access to a shop though at that point in my life | Jan 21 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | so I had faciities I no longer have | Jan 21 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | and tools | Jan 21 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I just don't get why everyone changed to the metric system | Jan 21 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | wasn't the English system pretty standardized by that point? | Jan 21 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | I mean I know it used to be kind of a joke | Jan 21 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | an inch was anything you wanted it to be | Jan 21 03:56 |
| DaemonFC | TigerDirect charges more for shipping on their site than on their Amazon store | Jan 21 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 21 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: There is no Dana, there is only ZUUL!!!!!! | Jan 21 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | muahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa | Jan 21 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | (Speaking of Babylonians) | Jan 21 04:01 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.spike.com/video/ghostbusters-1-2/2676761 | Jan 21 04:01 |
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| schestowitz | http://linuxbsdos.com/2010/01/16/linux-mint-8-vs-ubuntu-9-10/ | Jan 21 04:04 |
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| schestowitz | Non-metric system make problems | Jan 21 04:06 |
| schestowitz | They are not consistent with physics | Jan 21 04:06 |
| schestowitz | We have 10 fingers | Jan 21 04:06 |
| schestowitz | So base 10 is easy to teach | Jan 21 04:06 |
| schestowitz | it's a French system | Jan 21 04:06 |
| schestowitz | We still adjust quartz to behave based on the revolution of the earth divided by 24, 60, 60 | Jan 21 04:07 |
| schestowitz | I'm tired | Jan 21 04:07 |
| schestowitz | cya tomorrow | Jan 21 04:07 |
| schestowitz | Metric time would be good | Jan 21 04:08 |
| schestowitz | You could easily divide time | Jan 21 04:08 |
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| TheMadHatter | Anyone here? | Jan 21 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | me | Jan 21 04:17 |
| TheMadHatter | Only us North American huh? | Jan 21 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | maybe | Jan 21 04:18 |
| TheMadHatter | If anyone else isn't memorex, they are being quiet about it. | Jan 21 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | probably lurking | Jan 21 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | cowards | Jan 21 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 21 04:21 |
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| TheMadHatter | Heh. I was comparing the Apple and Microsoft financials yesterday. Rather interesting reading. | Jan 21 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft and the really expensive Microsoft you mean? | Jan 21 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | you should elaborate | Jan 21 04:24 |
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| tessier__ | What is today's date in metric? | Jan 21 04:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | 45cm | Jan 21 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/mp3.com_founder_forecast_zero_chance_of_itunes_subscription_service_cloudy_/ | Jan 21 04:41 |
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| DaemonFC | both comments are mine | Jan 21 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | Piracy may have cost Apple $425 million | Jan 21 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | and space aliens might have stolen my lunch money :) | Jan 21 04:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Deep silence while POLYTECHNIQUE credits rolled - voted #Canada's best film of 2009. Dir Denis Villeneuve did Q&A #cinematheque #ontario | Jan 21 04:46 | |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: http://twitter.com/kevinmitnick | Jan 21 05:23 |
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| FurnaceBoy | rnb: or rather, http://twitter.com/kevinmitnick/status/8012765998 | Jan 21 05:23 |
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| *FurnaceBoy is drinking a caipirinha | Jan 21 05:23 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.osnews.com/story/22767/Windows_NT_VDM_Vulnerability_Detected_After_17_Years | Jan 21 05:27 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Windows NT VDM Vulnerability Detected After 17 Years .::. Size~: 21.85 KB | Jan 21 05:27 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: There's something :) | Jan 21 05:27 |
| DaemonFC | The Great Great Great Great Great Great Grandfather of Windows security vulnerabilities | Jan 21 05:29 |
| DaemonFC | And I suppose it wouldn't work on 64-bit Windows since none of them have the 16-bit subsystem | Jan 21 05:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: yep i heard | Jan 21 05:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's been a pretty ugly month for El Microsofto | Jan 21 05:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC | schestowitz: There is no Dana, there is only ZUUL!!!!!! | Jan 21 05:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | can't argue with that, ma nizzle | Jan 21 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: If I ever do get Blu Ray, that's going to be one of my first movies | Jan 21 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | you notice how Sigourney Weaver could pass for 40 in Avatar? | Jan 21 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | must be the makeup | Jan 21 05:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: looks pretty old to me. I can't take my eyes of Rodriguez | Jan 21 05:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | off* | Jan 21 05:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | i never was much into gringas, though. | Jan 21 05:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I'm an ALIEN fan. | Jan 21 05:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I read the whole shooting script the other day. | Jan 21 05:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: in terms of 20th C cinema, that's a work of art | Jan 21 05:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: but then, i discovered that and Bladerunner about simultaneously. I knew a lot about them even before I was old enough to go see em | Jan 21 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't like Bladerunner | Jan 21 05:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | no? why not? | Jan 21 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | I fell asleep though it the first time | Jan 21 05:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | LOL! | Jan 21 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know really | Jan 21 05:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | seen Dark City? just a random Q | Jan 21 05:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | Bladerunner could be argued is slow. But I love slow movies. | Jan 21 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but that was like 12 years ago | Jan 21 05:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | i also like noir. | Jan 21 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | I don't remember much | Jan 21 05:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I went to see it after a party with a girl who was so drunk she slept. | Jan 21 05:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | I was drunk and WIRED, i loved it. | Jan 21 05:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | was pretty much sober after it ended. | Jan 21 05:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | (Dark City) | Jan 21 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | and how old are you? | Jan 21 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 21 05:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | probably older than you are thinking right now. | Jan 21 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | you said you're older than UNIX, so...... | Jan 21 05:41 |
| DaemonFC | don't tell me | Jan 21 05:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | ha. | Jan 21 05:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | we're probably about the same age, i guess | Jan 21 05:41 |
| DaemonFC | that makes you at least 15 years older than me | Jan 21 05:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh. | Jan 21 05:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | wow. | Jan 21 05:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | i'd had you pegged for a bitter old man, like me. | Jan 21 05:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | except with more guns. | Jan 21 05:41 |
| DaemonFC | no, I was bitter before I was a man | Jan 21 05:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | LOL | Jan 21 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | and for valid reasons | Jan 21 05:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | i have no excuse. | Jan 21 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | it kind of started as I hate my parents, then just as that was fading out, I realized how many fucking idiots there are | Jan 21 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | everywhere | Jan 21 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | and that most of them are in a position of "authority" | Jan 21 05:43 |
| DaemonFC | it's like life is twisting the knife every time you have to deal with one of them | Jan 21 05:43 |
| DaemonFC | and are helpless to rip their head off and shit down their throat | Jan 21 05:43 |
| DaemonFC | followed by "I need this salary bad enough to mask my contempt for HIM/HER???" | Jan 21 05:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | emigrate :D | Jan 21 05:45 |
| *FurnaceBoy ducks | Jan 21 05:45 | |
| DaemonFC | from Indiana? Never. | Jan 21 05:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | well. it's nice that you love where you live. | Jan 21 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | It's so *stomach gargles* fun | Jan 21 05:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | I do too, but I know I'll leave one day. | Jan 21 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | I'm being sarcastic | Jan 21 05:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh. | Jan 21 05:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | dude. | Jan 21 05:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | ya gotta like where you live. | Jan 21 05:46 |
| DaemonFC | there is nowhere I want to be in this state, but at least it's not Nebraska or Alabama or something | Jan 21 05:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | get out of the USA | Jan 21 05:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | the world is hude | Jan 21 05:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | huge* | Jan 21 05:46 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, and much of it is cannibals with AIDS | Jan 21 05:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | at least for a while. | Jan 21 05:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: that's the worst of it. | Jan 21 05:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: trust me, i've seen a lot of it, it's wonderful out here. | Jan 21 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: I wrote my own lampoon of 2012 | Jan 21 05:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: at least take a vacation | Jan 21 05:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: go hang out on some brazilian beaches. you'll be a hit | Jan 21 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | goes something like World ends, rich people are saved, Chinese peasants who built the boats for 10 cents per hour are left to drown, but since the boats where made in China, half of them fail and sink | Jan 21 05:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: 2012 ? ugh | Jan 21 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | the rest reach Africa where the starving AIDS ridden cannibals eat all of them | Jan 21 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | The End | Jan 21 05:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: how could john cusack do it. i'll never forgive that limp cocked little shit | Jan 21 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | one of the worst movies ever | Jan 21 05:49 |
| DaemonFC | special effects were good, but there was nothing else | Jan 21 05:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | i don't see movies for sfx any more | Jan 21 05:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | there's probably a point where they became irrelevant | Jan 21 05:50 |
| DaemonFC | Avatar was really well done | Jan 21 05:50 |
| DaemonFC | I liked that | Jan 21 05:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | yeah if i were to see that, IMAX 3D would blow my tiny mind | Jan 21 05:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | but i still get excited about Madagascar 2 (on bluray no less) | Jan 21 05:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | listen. here's how pathetic I am | Jan 21 05:50 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Jan 21 05:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | I stop at the mall to watch Madagascar 2 Bluray on the plasma tvs | Jan 21 05:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | cuz it's so beautifully rendered | Jan 21 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | most movies I'm satisfied to download a 700 MB DIVX and see them once at 320 x 240 | Jan 21 05:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's enough for a lot of films. | Jan 21 05:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | i actually love eye candy | Jan 21 05:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | cgi | Jan 21 05:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | i used to write ray tracing stuff in the 80s | Jan 21 05:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | stopped when the math got too hard :) | Jan 21 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the 700 MB DIVX is not good enough for movies with lots of effects | Jan 21 05:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | right | Jan 21 05:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | Avatar is piracy proof; i think tht's hilarious | Jan 21 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | I got ahold of a DVD quality Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith DIVX | Jan 21 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | like a month before it came to theaters | Jan 21 05:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh! | Jan 21 05:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | yeah the cgi in Sith is pretty damned good | Jan 21 05:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | i've seen that dvd | Jan 21 05:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | i saw the premiere night of that too | Jan 21 05:53 |
| DaemonFC | it's really just having it before anyone is supposed to have seen it | Jan 21 05:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | in Georgia of all places | Jan 21 05:53 |
| DaemonFC | is why I got it | Jan 21 05:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | yeah. it was visually stunning | Jan 21 05:53 |
| DaemonFC | that's why "piracy" is so high | Jan 21 05:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | just everything else sucked | Jan 21 05:53 |
| DaemonFC | it's the Streisand Effect | Jan 21 05:53 |
| DaemonFC | they tell you you're not supposed to have it so you go get it even though you never would have if they hadn't said no | Jan 21 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | it's a rebellious act more than it's about saving a few dollars on a CD | Jan 21 05:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | heh | Jan 21 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | people have a tendency to not like being told no | Jan 21 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | file sharing is like passive aggressiveness | Jan 21 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | you're spitting in the RIAA's coffee | Jan 21 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | and that's why it's fun | Jan 21 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | and that's why people amass huge music collections of things they don't even like | Jan 21 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: Case in point.... | Jan 21 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | Who "pirates" Jack Johnson | Jan 21 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | I mean holy shit | Jan 21 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | yet if you go on a torrent site, there's his albums | Jan 21 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | Streisand Effect | Jan 21 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: Would you pay $1.28 on iTunes for a song about making banana pancakes? | Jan 21 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | I rest my case | Jan 21 05:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I've never bought a song there | Jan 21 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | would you buy a Jack Johnson CD? | Jan 21 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | do you think any human being who isn't a complete tool would? | Jan 21 05:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | who's Jack Johnson? | Jan 21 05:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | it sounds more like a Wiggles tune | Jan 21 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: http://s0.ilike.com/play#Jack+Johnson:Banana+Pancakes:10153:s48737.4933.1834108.1.2.61%2Cstd_863a8e7827574a9d800ceff3326fb9a5 | Jan 21 06:00 |
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| DaemonFC | 1:30 minute sample | Jan 21 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | I need to take a Viagra just for listening to that | Jan 21 06:01 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: If they really wanted to know where Bin Laden was at, they'd blast this shit to torture the prisoners with | Jan 21 06:03 |
| DaemonFC | Slayer has nothing on this guys | Jan 21 06:03 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: They did use Barney CDs to torture the prisoners with | Jan 21 06:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | yeah I know. | Jan 21 06:04 |
| DaemonFC | I'd be begging them to waterboard me | Jan 21 06:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's kinda the point. | Jan 21 06:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@splorp Really don’t want to give out my remaining @dribbble invites because there’s way too much hotness in there // you're just a tease | Jan 21 06:05 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@newtgingrich every american concerned about safety from terrorists @nro article http://bit.ly/7KYIfH / What a steaming pile of shit | Jan 21 06:41 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: It’s the Enemy, Stupid by Andrew C. McCarthy on National Review Online .::. Size~: 35.92 KB | Jan 21 06:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh boy. please don't read that dreck. | Jan 21 06:50 |
| DaemonFC | Gingrich didn't last long as House Speaker | Jan 21 06:57 |
| DaemonFC | like, less than 2 years | Jan 21 06:57 |
| DaemonFC | or 4 | Jan 21 06:58 |
| DaemonFC | guess my memory is fuzzy | Jan 21 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | seems like there was a scandal or something | Jan 21 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.nytimes.com/1998/11/08/us/the-speaker-steps-down-excerpts-from-phone-call-about-gingrich-s-future.html | Jan 21 07:01 |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm, forced out because he was embarrassing the party | Jan 21 07:03 |
| DaemonFC | sweet | Jan 21 07:03 |
| DaemonFC | "MR. GINGRICH -- The prospect of an Al Gore Presidency and a Democratic Congress ought to scare all of us into mobilization." | Jan 21 07:03 |
| DaemonFC | cue election tampering | Jan 21 07:04 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/20/AR2010012004764.html | Jan 21 07:10 |
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| DaemonFC | hmmmm | Jan 21 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | well, cool | Jan 21 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | John McCain is running to distance himself from his family members for not selling out to the evil religious Republican machine | Jan 21 07:11 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 21 07:11 |
| DaemonFC | During the Aqua Teen Hunger Force bomb scare in January 2007, Coakley was widely quoted in the press defending the reaction of Boston's emergency services.[9] Small electronic signs advertising a cartoon had been mistaken for bombs; Massachusetts authorities halted traffic on two bridges and closed the Charles River before realizing the signs were harmless. Coakley defended the precautions because the LED signs had looked | Jan 21 07:18 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if her vibrator is a weapon of mass destruction for having a battery and some wires | Jan 21 07:18 |
| DaemonFC | hv - Microsoft Hyper V drivers. The developers again seem to have disappeared, this is getting old. Slated for removal in 2.6.35 | Jan 21 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | lulz | Jan 21 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | is Microsoft serious about getting those in the kernel or do they just want to crap up -staging this badly? | Jan 21 07:38 |
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| rnb | yaawwwwnn | Jan 21 08:42 |
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| mikeyc | hey roy | Jan 21 09:24 |
| mikeyc | you there? | Jan 21 09:24 |
| cubezzz | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/01/20/228235/Microsoft-Sues-TiVo-To-Help-ATampT | Jan 21 09:27 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, mikeyc | Jan 21 09:41 |
| mikeyc | have you tried the half mile | Jan 21 09:42 |
| mikeyc | at 10% | Jan 21 09:42 |
| mikeyc | it seems the yanks are biding the time for a permanent presence in Haiti, what do you think | Jan 21 09:43 |
| schestowitz | Yes, we discussed this year | Jan 21 09:44 |
| mikeyc | it seems things will be allowed to descend into the abyss so military intervention and permanent presence is justified (note reports of aid being turned away from only airport by american military) | Jan 21 09:45 |
| schestowitz | They turn away some 'foreign (non-US) planed | Jan 21 09:45 |
| schestowitz | *planes I mean | Jan 21 09:45 |
| mikeyc | it seems things will be allowed to descend into the abyss so military intervention and permanent presence is justified (note reports of aid being turned away from only airport by american military) | Jan 21 09:45 |
| mikeyc | interest rates and inflation seem to be on the rise | Jan 21 09:46 |
| mikeyc | i wonder if it has anything to do with all that stimulus/bailout printed money?? | Jan 21 09:46 |
| mikeyc | the rungs are falling off the mortgage ladder and the wheels are falling off the economic bandwgon | Jan 21 09:47 |
| mikeyc | unemployment figures conceal the true nightmare unfolding | Jan 21 09:47 |
| mikeyc | 2.4 mill unemployed BUT 1.5 million forced to work part time whilst seeking full time work and the worst since records bagan there are now 21% of UK people of working age, not working. | Jan 21 09:49 |
| cubezzz | worst since great depression probably | Jan 21 09:49 |
| cubezzz | not good | Jan 21 09:49 |
| mikeyc | true, i'd be interested to see what proportion of US pop is out of work, the real figure not this 10.whatever percent which is being banded about | Jan 21 09:50 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: yes, printing more devalues the currency | Jan 21 09:51 |
| schestowitz | But they borrowed the money, so... | Jan 21 09:51 |
| schestowitz | [09:47] <mikeyc> unemployment figures conceal the true nightmare unfolding | Jan 21 09:52 |
| schestowitz | How so? | Jan 21 09:52 |
| schestowitz | The trend has not reversed? | Jan 21 09:52 |
| cubezzz | it feels like things are just very slow | Jan 21 09:53 |
| mikeyc | http://moneywatch.bnet.com/saving-money/blog/home-equity/recession-over-not-with-21-percent-unemployment/1194/?tag=active-mw | Jan 21 09:53 |
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| schestowitz | Time is relative, cubezzz :-) | Jan 21 09:53 |
| schestowitz | Put your hand in the over, time slows down | Jan 21 09:53 |
| schestowitz | Said Einstein | Jan 21 09:53 |
| cubezzz | slow as in low sales | Jan 21 09:54 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: recession is over | Jan 21 09:54 |
| schestowitz | We're past the point of labelling it "recession" | Jan 21 09:54 |
| cubezzz | which is probably unavoidable | Jan 21 09:54 |
| schestowitz | But it's eternally Xmas at Wall Street :-) | Jan 21 09:54 |
| schestowitz | The issue is people comparing stock values (fortune markets) to argue an end of decline | Jan 21 09:55 |
| cubezzz | I guess for Amish it's just normal :) | Jan 21 09:55 |
| cubezzz | no crass consumerism | Jan 21 09:55 |
| mikeyc | http://www.statistics.gov.uk/hub/labour-market/people-not-in-work/economic-inactivity/index.html | Jan 21 09:57 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: maybe, maybe not | Jan 21 09:57 |
| schestowitz | Don't some of them work in then cities? | Jan 21 09:57 |
| cubezzz | maybe they are selling less furniture | Jan 21 09:57 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: how's Manc doing compared to other large cities? | Jan 21 09:58 |
| cubezzz | umm, not sure | Jan 21 09:58 |
| schestowitz | The local radio beats the crime drum | Jan 21 09:58 |
| cubezzz | working in the city doesn't sound like normal Amish lifestyle | Jan 21 09:58 |
| rnb | i know FurnaceBoy isnt here | Jan 21 09:59 |
| rnb | but i hate him for making me agree with christopher hitchens :P | Jan 21 10:00 |
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| mikeyc | The "people not in work" icon is greyed out, not sure why, but this gives a more reliable indicator of the state of the labour market as it basically gives the bottom line figure of those not working but available for work | Jan 21 10:00 |
| mikeyc | http://www.statistics.gov.uk/hub/labour-market/index.html | Jan 21 10:00 |
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| mikeyc | Try "economic inactivity" | Jan 21 10:01 |
| rnb | have you guys watchd democracy now's coverage of haiti? | Jan 21 10:08 |
| rnb | some good details on the us military's bizarre take-over | Jan 21 10:09 |
| rnb | as well as good background info on us/haiti relations that put it into context | Jan 21 10:09 |
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| schestowitz | mikeyc: are you going to Midland today? | Jan 21 10:40 |
| schestowitz | rnb: I haven't watched it yet | Jan 21 10:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ODF Roundup: #Norway , #Germany Migration, ODF 1.2 Support, and ODF 1.1 Interop Profile http://ur1.ca/kcfn | Jan 21 11:04 | |
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| schestowitz | "A new website, data.gov.uk, will offer reams of public sector data, ranging from traffic statistics to crime figures, for private or commercial use." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8470797.stm | Jan 21 11:11 |
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| schestowitz | mikeyc: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/21/mod_dii_extension/ | Jan 21 11:11 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: http://www.penguinpetes.com/Doomed_to_Obscurity/index.php?strip=0000195.jpg | Jan 21 11:16 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Have my Eee PC 900 running Ubuntu with me at work today. Surprising how many heads this little thing turns - still! | Jan 21 11:17 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Patents are the only threat that Microsoft can brandish against free and open source software: http://i5.be/alL | Jan 21 11:27 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/?2010/01/20/694-public-service-announcement | Jan 21 11:33 |
| schestowitz | "For those who wonder why, it is because I'm tired of people using Facebook to send message to people when there is email (and I'm not talking about the "comment" feature but realy about initiating conversions using the facebook wall, which is public, or the facebook message which is...)." | Jan 21 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: +1 | Jan 21 11:34 |
| schestowitz | Who is SIG? http://www.techworld.com.au/article/333232/stay_away_from_openoffice_org_until_oracle_shows_commitment_analyst_says | Jan 21 11:36 |
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| oiaohm | Don't know schestowitz strangely IBM bias for some reason. | Jan 21 11:39 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-nov-feb.html#21%20January%202010%20%28What%20kind%20of%20rescue%20was%20this%3F%29 "Haitians need humanitarian help. The US sent a military invasion. (You may need to go through this link a second time to reach the correct page.)" | Jan 21 11:39 |
| schestowitz | tessier__: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/20/vietnam-lawyer-western-ideas | Jan 21 11:40 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] I have a new landing/home/brand page http://popey.com/ Massive thanks to @schwuk who made it, and Hugo for the pronunciation unicode. | Jan 21 11:50 | |
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| schestowitz | Firefox 2.6 released today | Jan 21 11:51 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/blogs/browse/2010/01/microsoft-mobile-customers-choice-bad-thing-and-linux-will-lose | Jan 21 12:12 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft to Mobile Customers: Choice is a Bad Thing (and Linux will Lose) | The Linux Foundation .::. Size~: 28.2 KB | Jan 21 12:12 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's latest Linux FUD is only being used /against/ it. When will they learn? | Jan 21 12:13 |
| oiaohm | The tide is turning. | Jan 21 12:14 |
| oiaohm | Many years go the Linux foundation would not have responded. | Jan 21 12:14 |
| oiaohm | and let it just go threw to keeper. | Jan 21 12:14 |
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| Omar87 | Greetings all. | Jan 21 12:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/7011035/Giant-cattle-to-be-bred-back-from-extinction.html | Jan 21 12:19 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Giant cattle to be bred back from extinction - Telegraph .::. Size~: 50.48 KB | Jan 21 12:19 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Long_horned_european_wild_ox.jpg | Jan 21 12:19 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: File:Long horned european wild ox.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 38.96 KB | Jan 21 12:19 |
| schestowitz | Eurasian :-) | Jan 21 12:19 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: Microsoft and Apple seem to be conspiring against Linux now | Jan 21 12:20 |
| schestowitz | Google/Android (Linux) | Jan 21 12:20 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: how are you? | Jan 21 12:20 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: I'm great, thanks, | Jan 21 12:20 |
| Omar87 | you? | Jan 21 12:20 |
| schestowitz | Good, good. trmanco landed safely in Canada yesterday | Jan 21 12:21 |
| schestowitz | He's one of the longtime regulars here, and the parent of phIRC | Jan 21 12:21 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Cool! :-) | Jan 21 12:21 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Yeah, I downloaded it with Mercurial a couple days ago. | Jan 21 12:22 |
| oiaohm | I don't think so. schestowitz. Google has kinda being giving as good as they have been getting over android. | Jan 21 12:23 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft and Apple are too focused on what Google is to doing to be payign attention what nokia the biggest maker of phones is upto. | Jan 21 12:24 |
| schestowitz | Apple need to worry about Linux also because of iLate [sic] | Jan 21 12:25 |
| schestowitz | The vapourware | Jan 21 12:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/30565/1090/ | Jan 21 12:25 |
| schestowitz | Google -> ext4 | Jan 21 12:25 |
| oiaohm | Nokia with QT is slowly building a platform that is os netural. | Jan 21 12:25 |
| schestowitz | Plasma also.. | Jan 21 12:25 |
| Omar87 | What are the tech news website you visit most regularly? | Jan 21 12:25 |
| oiaohm | I still class that migration as kinda insane. | Jan 21 12:26 |
| schestowitz | They do demos on Windows | Jan 21 12:26 |
| oiaohm | At least when google is finshed testing it the thing should work. | Jan 21 12:26 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: tuxmachines is my favourite | Jan 21 12:26 |
| ziggyfish | Omar87, boycottnovell is my favourite ;) | Jan 21 12:26 |
| Omar87 | ziggyfish: :-) | Jan 21 12:27 |
| oiaohm | Linuxtoday is my favorate followed by boycottnovell | Jan 21 12:27 |
| oiaohm | note I have been reading Linuxtoday longer than boycottnovell ask me again in a few years might have changed. | Jan 21 12:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/30629/1090/ | Jan 21 12:28 |
| schestowitz | Linux instruments: http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/01/19/those-about-to-rock-we-encourage-you-to-recompile-your-linux-kernel/ | Jan 21 12:30 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Those about to rock, we encourage you to recompile your Linux kernel .::. Size~: 37.72 KB | Jan 21 12:30 |
| oiaohm | http://temporaryland.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/openoffice-org-and-the-gimp-on-the-n900/ Come on projector devices | Jan 21 12:31 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: OpenOffice.org and the Gimp on the N900 « An aliens viewpoint .::. Size~: 23.94 KB | Jan 21 12:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Nokia-announces-bugfix-release-for-Qt-and-beta-version-of-Qt-for-Maemo-908244.html | Jan 21 12:32 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Nokia announces bugfix release for Qt and beta version of Qt for Maemo - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 30.64 KB | Jan 21 12:32 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, I saw that | Jan 21 12:32 |
| schestowitz | I added it last night | Jan 21 12:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/hardware/2256284/review-nokia-n900 | Jan 21 12:32 |
| schestowitz | "Nokia's N900 is a Linux-based mobile device with a number of advanced features, including application multi-tasking, built-in VoIP support, stereo speakers, graphics acceleration, video output to a TV, and more." | Jan 21 12:32 |
| schestowitz | Nokia does not place much emphasis on the "Linux" Word | Jan 21 12:33 |
| oiaohm | Hmm video output to a TV hmm | Jan 21 12:33 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has created this notion that "Linux is a loser" | Jan 21 12:33 |
| oiaohm | As I said a long time ago Linux would not be sold to end user as linux. | Jan 21 12:33 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: or projector | Jan 21 12:33 |
| oiaohm | But as a device that does what user wants. | Jan 21 12:33 |
| schestowitz | You could market these phones as koffice for presentation | Jan 21 12:33 |
| oiaohm | Basically how long before you can have a fold up keyboard and phone with projector and do all the things you would normally do with a laptop just carring that. | Jan 21 12:34 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: http://hothardware.com/News/xpPhone%2DBrings%2DWindows%2DXP%2DTo%2DThe%2DSmartphone%2DFor%2DUnder%2D650/ | Jan 21 12:34 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: xpPhone Brings Windows XP To The Smartphone For Under $650 - HotHardware .::. Size~: 35.38 KB | Jan 21 12:34 |
| schestowitz | New one | Jan 21 12:34 |
| schestowitz | $650 *LOL* | Jan 21 12:35 |
| schestowitz | For Windows from 9 years ago !! | Jan 21 12:35 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: | Jan 21 12:35 |
| schestowitz | !google quad core arm processor | Jan 21 12:35 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Marvell launches quad-core arm cpu - The Inquirer | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1567785/marvell-launches-quad-core-arm-cpu | Jan 21 12:35 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Marvell launches first quad-core ARM processor :: HEXUS.channel ... | http://channel.hexus.net/content/item.php%3Fitem%3D21895 | Jan 21 12:35 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Marvell debuts quad core Armada ARM processor for kicking your ... | http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/06/marvell-debuts-quad-core-armada-arm-processor-for-kicking-your-m/ | Jan 21 12:35 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - EETimes.com - Marvell claims first quad-core ARM processor | http://www.eetimes.com/news/semi/showArticle.jhtml%3FarticleID%3D222200443 | Jan 21 12:35 |
| oiaohm | End of the mobile phone OS platform is here schestowitz | Jan 21 12:35 |
| oiaohm | Ie MS Mobile. | Jan 21 12:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.electropages.com/viewArticle.aspx?intArticle=14649 | Jan 21 12:36 |
| mikeyc | if we can find way of effectivley replacing the keyboard, that would be a big step, something that allows us to transmit words/numbers etc at the speed of thought, something other than speech recognition | Jan 21 12:36 |
| schestowitz | "Supported operating systems include Windows XP, XP Embedded, Windows CE, Linux, QNX and VxWorks." | Jan 21 12:36 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: it's possible | Jan 21 12:36 |
| schestowitz | Just not commercially available yet | Jan 21 12:36 |
| mikeyc | brain implants | Jan 21 12:37 |
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| oiaohm | Palm soved it years ago mikeyc | Jan 21 12:37 |
| schestowitz | Maybe if you're in the military -- not commerce -- then you can have it | Jan 21 12:37 |
| oiaohm | With either a fold up keyboard. | Jan 21 12:37 |
| schestowitz | I have one | Jan 21 12:37 |
| oiaohm | or projector keyboard mikeyc | Jan 21 12:37 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc didn't see it | Jan 21 12:37 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: tell me next time you're in, I'll show you the keyboard | Jan 21 12:37 |
| schestowitz | It folds from the same size of the PDA | Jan 21 12:37 |
| mikeyc | i've seen the projector keyboard built into a phone on youtube | Jan 21 12:38 |
| mikeyc | it projects onto a hard surface | Jan 21 12:38 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBIi-suIR-Q | Jan 21 12:38 |
| mikeyc | about 6 inches wide | Jan 21 12:38 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- The Virtual projection keyboard .::. Size~: 108.89 KB | Jan 21 12:38 |
| cubezzz | I have this name on my site István Hernádvölgyi's | Jan 21 12:39 |
| mikeyc | thats the one | Jan 21 12:39 |
| schestowitz | It's very old tech | Jan 21 12:39 |
| schestowitz | Around 2005 | Jan 21 12:39 |
| cubezzz | I'm just wondering what is the best way to show the accented a and o in html? | Jan 21 12:40 |
| oiaohm | Now this is going to get interesting. MS will be forced for windows 8 to release a OS that works on mobile phones and desktop. | Jan 21 12:40 |
| oiaohm | That is going to make life interesting. | Jan 21 12:40 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: there will be two versions of WinMob [sic] 7 they say | Jan 21 12:40 |
| schestowitz | it was in the news yesterday | Jan 21 12:40 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they fragment, maybe "Editions" | Jan 21 12:40 |
| schestowitz | http://torrentbomb.com/linux-based-guitar-midi-controller-full-review/22 | Jan 21 12:41 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Linux-based Guitar Midi Controller Full Review | TorrentBomb News .::. Size~: 28.52 KB | Jan 21 12:41 |
| oiaohm | Problem here XP embed is cheeper Win mobile. | Jan 21 12:41 |
| oiaohm | Yes MS is competing with themselves again. | Jan 21 12:41 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: are you entering the competition? | Jan 21 12:42 |
| schestowitz | And also, when is the ceremony Amanda promised? | Jan 21 12:43 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2008/03/04/mr-fitness-photos/ | Jan 21 12:43 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Mr. Fitness 2008 Photos .::. Size~: 26.85 KB | Jan 21 12:43 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: this way Microsoft always wins | Jan 21 12:43 |
| schestowitz | It does this a lot | Jan 21 12:43 |
| schestowitz | Like, "Vista 7 is gaining market share fast" | Jan 21 12:43 |
| schestowitz | Reality: "No, it replaces XP and Vista!!" | Jan 21 12:43 |
| schestowitz | THat's like Mozilla saying that gain 100 million users later today when they release 3.6 | Jan 21 12:44 |
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| cubezzz | it's not winning any more | Jan 21 12:45 |
| cubezzz | this is the beginning of the end | Jan 21 12:45 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla or MSFT? | Jan 21 12:45 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft | Jan 21 12:45 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: not true | Jan 21 12:45 |
| schestowitz | It was the beginning of the end many years ago | Jan 21 12:46 |
| schestowitz | When Ballmer was made CEO | Jan 21 12:46 |
| oiaohm | Differnece here Windows 7 was replacing desktop OS with desktop. | Jan 21 12:46 |
| cubezzz | really? :) | Jan 21 12:46 |
| cubezzz | which year? | Jan 21 12:46 |
| schestowitz | Almost 10 years ago | Jan 21 12:46 |
| oiaohm | So no risk of killing maket controls schestowitz | Jan 21 12:46 |
| oiaohm | No more Windows Mobile equals no more sub class OS. | Jan 21 12:46 |
| schestowitz | XP was the last solid case | Jan 21 12:46 |
| cubezzz | he's been CEO for 10 years? | Jan 21 12:46 |
| schestowitz | Or win2k | Jan 21 12:46 |
| oiaohm | What is the advantages of subclasses. | Jan 21 12:46 |
| oiaohm | Different pricing. | Jan 21 12:46 |
| cubezzz | you know, win2k still borked up | Jan 21 12:46 |
| schestowitz | it's not patched, either | Jan 21 12:47 |
| cubezzz | but it wasn't as piggy | Jan 21 12:47 |
| oiaohm | win2k borked emulation of stuff from 9x time frame cubezzz | Jan 21 12:47 |
| schestowitz | It's vulnerable and Microsoft won't patch | Jan 21 12:47 |
| schestowitz | That's like someone using Red Hat 9 (the old one) today | Jan 21 12:47 |
| cubezzz | *ahem* | Jan 21 12:47 |
| oiaohm | But win2k was prity solid compare to the OS's of it day. | Jan 21 12:47 |
| cubezzz | I'm using fc1 thank you :) | Jan 21 12:47 |
| schestowitz | You'd say, "bloody hell! Just download Fedora 12 or somehting" | Jan 21 12:47 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: it gets no security patches | Jan 21 12:48 |
| cubezzz | now if you were still using Commodore 64 I would be critical :) | Jan 21 12:48 |
| oiaohm | XP was the first sign of MS developers losing there marbles. | Jan 21 12:48 |
| oiaohm | Yes I do mean losing them. | Jan 21 12:48 |
| cubezzz | I don't need 2.6 for this box | Jan 21 12:48 |
| oiaohm | Removing secuirty features for speed is insainity. | Jan 21 12:49 |
| cubezzz | it's an old box anyway | Jan 21 12:49 |
| amarsh04 | I still run 2.6.32 on a PII-266 (-: | Jan 21 12:49 |
| cubezzz | XP was a bigger big than win2k | Jan 21 12:49 |
| cubezzz | it was becomes more piggish | Jan 21 12:49 |
| cubezzz | always | Jan 21 12:49 |
| cubezzz | always becomes bigger | Jan 21 12:49 |
| oiaohm | Win2k direct x has kernel based buffer checking. | Jan 21 12:49 |
| oiaohm | XP direct x does not cubezzz | Jan 21 12:50 |
| cubezzz | it's slower though | Jan 21 12:50 |
| cubezzz | IT IS SLOWER :) | Jan 21 12:50 |
| oiaohm | So you can kernel crash XP with invalid direct x data. | Jan 21 12:50 |
| oiaohm | Buffer checking costs time. | Jan 21 12:50 |
| cubezzz | ok, I need an editor or something to do á | Jan 21 12:50 |
| oiaohm | XP direct X is minorally faster than 2000's | Jan 21 12:50 |
| oiaohm | And I do mean minorally. | Jan 21 12:51 |
| oiaohm | 0.01 of a percent. | Jan 21 12:51 |
| cubezzz | not on 512 meg or less :) | Jan 21 12:51 |
| oiaohm | Then we got vista were the same insane guys tried to create secuirty software. | Jan 21 12:51 |
| oiaohm | Hello trouble. | Jan 21 12:51 |
| kecskebak | ISTR Jon Honeyball wrote in PC Pro about how the security in Vista was derailed by the marketing department | Jan 21 12:52 |
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| schestowitz | http://apcmag.com/linux-now-75-corporate.htm | Jan 21 12:52 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: 75% of Linux code now written by paid developers .::. Size~: 195.36 KB | Jan 21 12:52 |
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| schestowitz | kecskebak: well, Microsoft *is* a marketing company | Jan 21 12:54 |
| schestowitz | Apple to BTW | Jan 21 12:54 |
| amarsh04 | but I can file a bug report on something in the kernel and get it fixed by a kernel developer | Jan 21 12:54 |
| schestowitz | Same crappy OS, lots of new marketing | Jan 21 12:54 |
| oiaohm | Hmm it down slightly schestowitz | Jan 21 12:54 |
| schestowitz | When I was using OS9 and then tried OS X it seems to have frozen again | Jan 21 12:54 |
| schestowitz | Like with OS 9 | Jan 21 12:54 |
| schestowitz | They just focus on advertising advertising advertising their hardware | Jan 21 12:55 |
| amarsh04 | try doing that with <insert name of proprietary operating system> | Jan 21 12:55 |
| kecskebak | schestowitz: It was still an interesting article as it showed how frustrating it must be to be a programmer in Microsoft | Jan 21 12:55 |
| schestowitz | Neglecting their scarcely-used OS | Jan 21 12:55 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: not exactly true with solarias you could talk straight to the kernel developer of you paid enough support contract. | Jan 21 12:55 |
| cubezzz | well | Jan 21 12:55 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: Dick Hardt has just quit | Jan 21 12:55 |
| schestowitz | He couldn't wait to abandon | Jan 21 12:56 |
| cubezzz | I bet the GNU guys don't all get paid | Jan 21 12:56 |
| oiaohm | there are also some other embed ones like vxworks that you still can amarsh04 | Jan 21 12:56 |
| kecskebak | schestowitz: Well, they've still got Miguel | Jan 21 12:56 |
| schestowitz | They always had him | Jan 21 12:57 |
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| kecskebak | I must admit, after running two articles critical of the BBC that schestowitz hasn't had an invitation to be stitched up by the corporation yet | Jan 21 12:57 |
| schestowitz | He just happaned to have come out of Ballmer's closet in recent years | Jan 21 12:58 |
| cubezzz | is there a way to break a long line of html | Jan 21 12:58 |
| cubezzz | like \ in a bash script? | Jan 21 12:58 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: HTML ignores newlines | Jan 21 12:58 |
| kecskebak | Normally the BBC are quite unpleasant if you try and make them look bad | Jan 21 12:58 |
| schestowitz | They are | Jan 21 12:58 |
| schestowitz | They responded in BN comments | Jan 21 12:58 |
| schestowitz | Rory is upset at me too | Jan 21 12:59 |
| kecskebak | Rory Enchephalitis-Jones? | Jan 21 12:59 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Jan 21 12:59 |
| schestowitz | Yes. | Jan 21 12:59 |
| schestowitz | he tweeted about me | Jan 21 12:59 |
| oiaohm | kecskebak: depends BBC own reports on the matter agree with the BN point of view. | Jan 21 12:59 |
| schestowitz | It's not about just agreement | Jan 21 12:59 |
| oiaohm | In that case all you get is some yelling from some reporters and that is about it. | Jan 21 12:59 |
| schestowitz | THey misrepresent facts sometimes | Jan 21 12:59 |
| mikeyc | i'm not sure are you entering, i tried the half mile on tuesday it was really hard at 10% and took me 5 minutes, sid did it in 5mins and 4 secs! | Jan 21 12:59 |
| schestowitz | BBC is not just a brand | Jan 21 13:00 |
| oiaohm | Ie schestowitz own internal reports. | Jan 21 13:00 |
| schestowitz | It's real people, they make mistakes | Jan 21 13:00 |
| cubezzz | ah schestowitz thanks | Jan 21 13:00 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: what about a ceremony? | Jan 21 13:00 |
| oiaohm | Now if it turns out they have not made a error and you pick on the BBC they turn really nasty. | Jan 21 13:00 |
| cubezzz | you would think after 14 years I would know that | Jan 21 13:00 |
| schestowitz | January they said... | Jan 21 13:00 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: they try to defend their reputation and job | Jan 21 13:01 |
| schestowitz | The BBC could soon lose funding | Jan 21 13:01 |
| schestowitz | 2012 or something | Jan 21 13:01 |
| mikeyc | i will have to mention it because they missed it last year too, next time either of us are in we should mention it to them and try to get a positive response it is v important to us | Jan 21 13:01 |
| schestowitz | If the public does not support the BBC, it will be AWOL | Jan 21 13:01 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: yes, since 2008 it's been a nagging affair | Jan 21 13:01 |
| schestowitz | After the market had collapsed :-) | Jan 21 13:02 |
| mikeyc | well we will both put it to the top of their agenda | Jan 21 13:02 |
| kecskebak | Governments often threaten to cut the BBC, but they normally realise how useful it is when the honeymoon period is over and the press start to turn against them | Jan 21 13:02 |
| mikeyc | you heard from the ho? | Jan 21 13:02 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: unleash Psycho Sid on them | Jan 21 13:02 |
| oiaohm | It case if they don't have a valid case they will do more damage to reputation trying to swash the arguement. | Jan 21 13:02 |
| schestowitz | "The animal!!!!!!!!1" | Jan 21 13:02 |
| mikeyc | grrrrrrr | Jan 21 13:02 |
| oiaohm | Ie its better to accept the problem. and move on to protect reputation schestowitz | Jan 21 13:02 |
| mikeyc | rahhhhhhh | Jan 21 13:02 |
| schestowitz | Ho ain't coming in | Jan 21 13:02 |
| mikeyc | how come | Jan 21 13:03 |
| schestowitz | Dunno | Jan 21 13:03 |
| schestowitz | I didn't see him much recently. | Jan 21 13:03 |
| mikeyc | is he training elsewhere? | Jan 21 13:03 |
| schestowitz | Maybe swimming at the Aquatic Centre | Jan 21 13:03 |
| mikeyc | you mentioned vicky? | Jan 21 13:03 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Jan 21 13:03 |
| *oiaohm turns into a huge dragon and considers scorching some of the non talkers. | Jan 21 13:03 | |
| mikeyc | so is it someone else then | Jan 21 13:03 |
| *schestowitz injects oiaohm with tranquilliser | Jan 21 13:04 | |
| mikeyc | come to think of it i've hardly seen him myself, apart from in work, and its very quiet there | Jan 21 13:04 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: I don't know. BTW, you didn't come in that day when snow started and Jeanette was supposed to be in | Jan 21 13:04 |
| *oiaohm falls in schestowitz direction | Jan 21 13:04 | |
| *schestowitz ducks | Jan 21 13:05 | |
| mikeyc | i think he yes it was snowing | Jan 21 13:05 |
| mikeyc | i was in | Jan 21 13:05 |
| mikeyc | at one o clock no one else was there | Jan 21 13:05 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1OyIJtjdpo | Jan 21 13:05 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- Death of a Nation 1/6 .::. Size~: 122.48 KB | Jan 21 13:05 |
| amarsh04 | If GNU/Linux and Free Software is so volunteer-friendly, why aren't more non-profit and volunteer organisations using it? | Jan 21 13:05 |
| schestowitz | Someone brought it up here a few days ago | Jan 21 13:05 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: EDGI | Jan 21 13:06 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw will write about EDGI soon | Jan 21 13:06 |
| amarsh04 | true, schestowitz | Jan 21 13:06 |
| mikeyc | i think steve is into his cycling more these days, that was his first sporting love when he was younger, it'll be better for him than running marathon after marathon i suppose. less wear and tear on the knees/hips. | Jan 21 13:06 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: A copy of office only costs 22 AUD to non for profits here. | Jan 21 13:06 |
| oiaohm | Yet a full office suite the same for a for profit will put you back over 600 dollars. | Jan 21 13:07 |
| oiaohm | Basically cost is not a driving force for non for profits. | Jan 21 13:07 |
| kecskebak | Microsoft is a non-profit these days ;) | Jan 21 13:07 |
| amarsh04 | I made the point to in an email to a friend who works for the state energy industry ombudsman, that the electricity utility and transport department that relies on members of the public for fault reports needs to view the reporters as valued volunteers and not annoyances | Jan 21 13:08 |
| amarsh04 | false profit? | Jan 21 13:08 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: | Jan 21 13:09 |
| schestowitz | !google softwear microsoft shop | Jan 21 13:09 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - JourneyEd.com - Academic Software Discounts! | http://www.journeyed.com/ | Jan 21 13:09 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Microsoft UK - Windows 7, Office, Exchange, Server, Store | http://www.microsoft.com/uk/learning/default.mspx | Jan 21 13:09 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Paint.NET - Free Software for Digital Photo Editing | http://www.getpaint.net/ | Jan 21 13:09 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - NothingButSoftware.com - PC Game and Software Headquarters ... | http://www.nothingbutsoftware.com/ | Jan 21 13:09 |
| mikeyc | I got exams tomorrow roy so i gotta get off and revise, catch you later matey! | Jan 21 13:09 |
| *amarsh04 hasn't been formally studying in 10 years /-: | Jan 21 13:09 | |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/softwearbymicrosoft/ | Jan 21 13:10 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Softwear by Microsoft, A Clothing Line .::. Size~: 9.46 KB | Jan 21 13:10 |
| schestowitz | New venture? | Jan 21 13:10 |
| mikeyc | this is a distance learning uni course i work full time too, it keeps me sane | Jan 21 13:10 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: I last did when I was 21 | Jan 21 13:10 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: his third masters degree | Jan 21 13:10 |
| kecskebak | Blimey. Of course, you don't own the close, you're only renting them and Microsoft can take them off of you at any time | Jan 21 13:10 |
| *amarsh04 thinks: clothing line -> clothes line -> Hills hoist -> petard | Jan 21 13:11 | |
| kecskebak | s/close/clothes | Jan 21 13:11 |
| schestowitz | http://wellington.scoop.co.nz/?p=19267 | Jan 21 13:11 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Wellington.scoop.co.nz » Lindsay Shelton .::. Size~: 60.92 KB | Jan 21 13:11 |
| mikeyc | are you doing comp roy, i forgot to ask? before i go | Jan 21 13:11 |
| schestowitz | clothed source soft wear from micro-Soft | Jan 21 13:12 |
| schestowitz | "People-ready" | Jan 21 13:12 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: comp? | Jan 21 13:12 |
| cubezzz | why not a Microsoft collar for people who can't stop using doze? :) | Jan 21 13:12 |
| mikeyc | mark slevin's comp it is like mr f but one venrt per month, details on spreadsheet with craig | Jan 21 13:13 |
| mikeyc | januarys event is half mile run at 10% incline, well tough! | Jan 21 13:14 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: shirt for *NIX users whose spouse still uses Windows: http://www.flickr.com/photos/davesag/91334305/ | Jan 21 13:14 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: I'm with Stupid (arrow points to John Howard) on Flickr - Photo Sharing! .::. Size~: 59.34 KB | Jan 21 13:14 |
| mikeyc | then febs is 1000m row | Jan 21 13:14 |
| mikeyc | then march is 2 mile cycle | Jan 21 13:14 |
| mikeyc | then javelin | Jan 21 13:14 |
| schestowitz | javelin? | Jan 21 13:14 |
| schestowitz | I did that many years ago when I was 15...... | Jan 21 13:15 |
| mikeyc | yes mark will take us all to sale harriers athletics club one weekend and we will all throw the javelin, he is a member there | Jan 21 13:15 |
| kecskebak | No dominoes? I could just about manage that. | Jan 21 13:15 |
| schestowitz | http://channel.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=22000 | Jan 21 13:15 |
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| mikeyc | :) | Jan 21 13:15 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: I still have my technique | Jan 21 13:15 |
| schestowitz | I used to be in athletics | Jan 21 13:16 |
| mikeyc | you wont need it, i have never thrown javelin, are you like jan zelezney | Jan 21 13:16 |
| mikeyc | how far could you throw | Jan 21 13:16 |
| oiaohm | athletics I always did bad at. | Jan 21 13:17 |
| mikeyc | i can do 26m | Jan 21 13:17 |
| mikeyc | which is rubbish | Jan 21 13:17 |
| oiaohm | Hammer throw was the most dangerous for me. | Jan 21 13:17 |
| mikeyc | to frightened of spearing my head | Jan 21 13:17 |
| oiaohm | yes I could send the hammer good distance. | Jan 21 13:17 |
| mikeyc | hammer would be good | Jan 21 13:17 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: I can't recall the results | Jan 21 13:17 |
| oiaohm | My problem was that I could never be quite sure what direction my fingers would all by self release it. | Jan 21 13:18 |
| schestowitz | [13:17] <mikeyc> to frightened of spearing my head | Jan 21 13:18 |
| schestowitz | You can't | Jan 21 13:18 |
| mikeyc | yes, it's all in the release | Jan 21 13:18 |
| schestowitz | The spear is around the same distance as the head and not sharp enough | Jan 21 13:18 |
| mikeyc | have you tried | Jan 21 13:19 |
| cubezzz | damn it, it's getting colder again | Jan 21 13:19 |
| cubezzz | -8C | Jan 21 13:19 |
| mikeyc | to spear yourself that is:) | Jan 21 13:19 |
| schestowitz | I'm still here, so no | Jan 21 13:19 |
| oiaohm | Javelin I have seen a person manage to do there own foot. | Jan 21 13:19 |
| oiaohm | So I would not rule head out. | Jan 21 13:19 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Jan 21 13:19 |
| mikeyc | i think we should practice with broomhandles first | Jan 21 13:20 |
| schestowitz | How would it hit the foot? | Jan 21 13:20 |
| mikeyc | just to get the right arc | Jan 21 13:20 |
| mikeyc | fall over i imagine | Jan 21 13:20 |
| schestowitz | It would be weird to watch | Jan 21 13:20 |
| mikeyc | i need to revise anyway, i am way off topic here, cheerio | Jan 21 13:20 |
| schestowitz | Seeing the people on the field spear is scary though | Jan 21 13:20 |
| oiaohm | Kicked toe at release end up with back end of jalvien in foot. | Jan 21 13:20 |
| schestowitz | Darwin Awards | Jan 21 13:21 |
| oiaohm | Yes not exact the front end of it. | Jan 21 13:21 |
| cubezzz | ok, I think you guys should just skip the javalin :) | Jan 21 13:21 |
| cubezzz | javelin | Jan 21 13:21 |
| oiaohm | Javalin is fairly safe | Jan 21 13:21 |
| schestowitz | Java.Lin(ux) | Jan 21 13:21 |
| oiaohm | Unless someone throws it in your direction. | Jan 21 13:22 |
| schestowitz | My brother hit me with a dart | Jan 21 13:22 |
| schestowitz | By accident | Jan 21 13:22 |
| schestowitz | Got stuck in my forearm | Jan 21 13:22 |
| cubezzz | remember lawn darts? :) | Jan 21 13:22 |
| cubezzz | I think that got banned | Jan 21 13:22 |
| cubezzz | oouch | Jan 21 13:22 |
| oiaohm | The most annoying thing I can do is with a bow and arrow. | Jan 21 13:23 |
| oiaohm | For some annoying reason every time I pick a bow up I can hit the first thing I shot at exactly where I am aiming. | Jan 21 13:23 |
| oiaohm | Try to do it again never can repeat it quicky. | Jan 21 13:23 |
| cubezzz | just stick with nerf ball or something :) | Jan 21 13:24 |
| schestowitz | http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=R&sa=T&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.everythingusb.com%2Flinux-usb-3.0-18376.html&usg=AFQjCNHwDEuSgKd03lWJaSU54RdU_L08UQ | Jan 21 13:24 |
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| schestowitz | A friend of mine had bow and arrow in his garden... professional gear | Jan 21 13:24 |
| oiaohm | I have used all classes of bow bar long bow. I cannot draw back a long bow. | Jan 21 13:25 |
| oiaohm | Same results. I can hit dead on first arrow after that if I hit inside a foot of target its luck. | Jan 21 13:26 |
| schestowitz | Those ranges need screening for nutters | Jan 21 13:31 |
| schestowitz | Same with rifles | Jan 21 13:31 |
| schestowitz | Or cars... | Jan 21 13:32 |
| schestowitz | Cars can be used to kill too | Jan 21 13:32 |
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| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Jan 21 13:36 | |
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| schestowitz | But usually due to negligence, not intended malice | Jan 21 13:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tradingmarkets.com/news/stock-alert/lsi_astec-introduces-new-advanced-mezzanine-card-715230.html DPI with Linux | Jan 21 13:42 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Astec introduces new Advanced Mezzanine Card | TradingMarkets.com .::. Size~: 34.24 KB | Jan 21 13:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/21/liquid_computing_layoffs/ | Jan 21 13:48 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Liquid Computing evaporates staff • The Register .::. Size~: 32.08 KB | Jan 21 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Was there a netsplit 10 minutes ago, or was it just here? | Jan 21 13:48 |
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| amarsh04 | I saw it in other freenode channels schestowitz | Jan 21 13:51 |
| cubezzz | yes, me too | Jan 21 13:52 |
| schestowitz | OK, thanks. It's just that two clients I have fell at the same time, so I thought it was an ISP issue | Jan 21 13:53 |
| amarsh04 | I'm usually connected to 3 irc servers at once, so I can figure out if the issue is local or not | Jan 21 13:56 |
| schestowitz | Nick Farrell trolling: http://www.techeye.net/software/most-linux-coders-are-paid | Jan 21 14:03 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Most Linux coders are paid | Software news - the real brain of a computer, despite what people think | Tech Eye - All the news unfit for print .::. Size~: 16.2 KB | Jan 21 14:03 |
| schestowitz | It's about companies collaborate, he tries to imply that it's about zero-pay | Jan 21 14:03 |
| schestowitz | But he also trolls Apple and Microsoft | Jan 21 14:03 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: I have: | Jan 21 14:04 |
| schestowitz | [13:32] <schestowitz> Cars can be used to kill too | Jan 21 14:04 |
| schestowitz | [13:41] <schestowitz> But usually due to negligence, not intended malice | Jan 21 14:04 |
| schestowitz | Anything in between would have never reached my side... so if you see anything, pls paste :-) | Jan 21 14:04 |
| cubezzz | well, like I said before, I bet most of the GNU people are not paid | Jan 21 14:04 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: maybe not directly | Jan 21 14:05 |
| schestowitz | It opens doors for some | Jan 21 14:05 |
| cubezzz | sure | Jan 21 14:05 |
| schestowitz | gnote...... | Jan 21 14:05 |
| schestowitz | gcc | Jan 21 14:05 |
| cubezzz | ok, I'm not a hippie but I am bearded :) | Jan 21 14:05 |
| schestowitz | gcc gets patches from companies that make chips | Jan 21 14:05 |
| cubezzz | plus I code for fun some of the time | Jan 21 14:05 |
| schestowitz | So you could argue gcc is not developed by volunteers at all | Jan 21 14:05 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: everyone is bearded, except girls | Jan 21 14:06 |
| schestowitz | Most guys just shave it off routinely | Jan 21 14:06 |
| cubezzz | damn, I need to buy some gillette stock :) | Jan 21 14:06 |
| schestowitz | http://m.pocket-lint.com/news/news.phtml/30951 | Jan 21 14:07 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Amazon announces Kindle apps .::. Size~: 6.89 KB | Jan 21 14:07 |
| schestowitz | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Firefox-3-6-Final-Available-for-Download-132668.shtml | Jan 21 14:07 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Firefox 3.6 Final Available for Download - Get it right here - Softpedia .::. Size~: 48.02 KB | Jan 21 14:07 |
| cubezzz | haha, oh well I can't blame people for trying | Jan 21 14:08 |
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| mariuz | http://blog.marcocantu.com/blog/microsoft_nativecode_security.html | Jan 21 14:09 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft, Native Code, and Security .::. Size~: 24.17 KB | Jan 21 14:09 |
| mariuz | The Windows ecosystem is not moving towards a .NET centric solution, but .NET is only a powerful and sophisticated execution and development environment on top of Windows | Jan 21 14:09 |
| cubezzz | all these 'referers' | Jan 21 14:09 |
| cubezzz | no one clicks on my referer links | Jan 21 14:10 |
| cubezzz | well, very seldom | Jan 21 14:10 |
| cubezzz | I seriously doubt anyone got paid working on cal | Jan 21 14:12 |
| schestowitz | mariuz: not even Microsoft uses it | Jan 21 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Vista dev team was rejecting .NET | Jan 21 14:13 |
| cubezzz | http://www.techeye.net/software/bill-gates-joins-the-band-of-twits | Jan 21 14:13 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Bill Gates joins the band of twits | Software news - the real brain of a computer, despite what people think | Tech Eye - All the news unfit for print .::. Size~: 10.45 KB | Jan 21 14:13 |
| amarsh04 | nothing posted in that time frame that I could see here schestowitz | Jan 21 14:13 |
| cubezzz | "150,000 and rising fanbois." | Jan 21 14:13 |
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| trmanco | hello :) | Jan 21 14:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Told you I not teh brane. The REM LP I meant is in fact "Murmur." Good one. "Chronic Town" EP also good. Less pounding riffage, more jangle. | Jan 21 14:17 | |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: PR | Jan 21 14:27 |
| schestowitz | That's a small number of followers given all the advertising he did for this account with his minions and press | Jan 21 14:28 |
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| schestowitz | > NZ Gov will run a pilot of Linux desktops | Jan 21 15:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 21 15:02 |
| schestowitz | > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,40001000,00.htm?s_cid=259 | Jan 21 15:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 21 15:02 |
| schestowitz | > I do hope they recognize as a fact and take at least minimal efforts to | Jan 21 15:02 |
| schestowitz | > prevent the attacks that Massachusetts and other governments have been | Jan 21 15:02 |
| schestowitz | > subjected to. | Jan 21 15:02 |
| zoobab | NZ is pushing for swpats | Jan 21 15:03 |
| zoobab | the law is NZ has been postponed | Jan 21 15:04 |
| zoobab | because of number of submissions | Jan 21 15:04 |
| zoobab | they are pushing for the "technical effect" piece of crap | Jan 21 15:04 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Microsoft suing Tivo now, defending AT&T (U-verse makes use of Microsoft's Mediaroom software): http://i5.be/alY | Jan 21 15:10 | |
| FurnaceBoy | zoobab: ah yeah there's a bit of history there in NZ. | Jan 21 15:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | zoobab: re the pro-MS factions there, esp lobbying govt | Jan 21 15:23 |
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| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: did you get an answer to your accents q | Jan 21 15:27 |
| schestowitz | /me watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwDWi-hPjxc | Jan 21 15:27 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: it's an excuse/PR | Jan 21 15:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i work with ppl who are to the right of D | Jan 21 15:28 |
| schestowitz | It's nothihg to do with AT&T | Jan 21 15:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: they read my tweets and actually respond | Jan 21 15:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: most things i avoid tweeting cuz i don't wanna be fired :| | Jan 21 15:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2010012014205446 | Jan 21 15:28 |
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| TheMadHatter | Just looking at some real neat stuff | Jan 21 15:58 |
| TheMadHatter | http://www.retrotechnology.com/dri/dri_16bit.html | Jan 21 15:58 |
| TheMadHatter | This took me to the drdos.com website. It's still up, however they haven't issued a press release since 2004. | Jan 21 16:00 |
| TheMadHatter | http://www.drdos.com/press/index.htm | Jan 21 16:00 |
| TheMadHatter | Which makes me wonder if they are actually alive? | Jan 21 16:01 |
| cubezzz | FurnaceBoy, yeah I looked it up on google | Jan 21 16:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: you have 2 good options -- entities, but better would be to use UTF-8 encoding for the file. | Jan 21 16:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: since entities are harder to read and edit and are a tiny subset anyway | Jan 21 16:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: i don't think the hungarian characters would even exist as entities | Jan 21 16:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | so which way did you go? | Jan 21 16:02 |
| cubezzz | I'm using stuff like ö | Jan 21 16:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | hm... are all those accents available as entities? | Jan 21 16:03 |
| cubezzz | it's for a web page anyway | Jan 21 16:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes, i know. | Jan 21 16:03 |
| cubezzz | not sure | Jan 21 16:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | the web is unicode | Jan 21 16:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: my money says they are not all availale as entities. | Jan 21 16:03 |
| cubezzz | uh yes in my case all the ones I need are available | Jan 21 16:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | odd. | Jan 21 16:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, that's good i guess. if that failed, the better approach is to treat the file as UTF-8 | Jan 21 16:04 |
| cubezzz | can one just stick unicode in html? | Jan 21 16:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. just add a META tag indicating charset, and/or configure your web server to indicate charset. | Jan 21 16:04 |
| MinceR | afaik ő and ű aren't available as entities, at least no in a way supported everywhere | Jan 21 16:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: right | Jan 21 16:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: i've never seen them as entities | Jan 21 16:05 |
| MinceR | s/no/not/ | Jan 21 16:05 |
| cubezzz | not sure what an entity is | Jan 21 16:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: what you are using | Jan 21 16:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: é | Jan 21 16:05 |
| cubezzz | yes | Jan 21 16:05 |
| cubezzz | oh ok | Jan 21 16:05 |
| cubezzz | duh :) | Jan 21 16:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: you can't get very far with those. I recommend UTF-8 | Jan 21 16:05 |
| MinceR | seconded | Jan 21 16:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | most people's exposure to the word "entity" was probably Ghostbusters | Jan 21 16:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | Dr. Raymond Stantz:If the ionization-rate is constant for all ectoplasmic entities, we could really bust some heads . . . in a spiritual sense, of course. | Jan 21 16:08 |
| MinceR | mine was QuakeC | Jan 21 16:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | damn, i just accidentally flicked on that Tips for a Flat Belly banner | Jan 21 16:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | i should use an adblocker... | Jan 21 16:09 |
| *FurnaceBoy already uses squid | Jan 21 16:09 | |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: do you speak/write Hungarian? | Jan 21 16:10 |
| MinceR | i so | Jan 21 16:10 |
| MinceR | s/so/do/ | Jan 21 16:10 |
| cubezzz | no I think the gorgon from star trek :) | Jan 21 16:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | hm. I have a tiny bit of translation i need done, for a free software project. few paras | Jan 21 16:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: I am offering the insulting low rate of $10 by PayPal | Jan 21 16:11 |
| cubezzz | or the thingie that make everyone have negative emotions | Jan 21 16:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: I have about 10 languages already | Jan 21 16:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: http://telegraphics.com.au/sw/icoformat.en.html | Jan 21 16:11 |
| cubezzz | FurnaceBoy, lynx and w3m don't seem to like entities :-/ | Jan 21 16:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: depends. the browsers support different sets of entities. this is part of the suck. | Jan 21 16:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: UTF-8 is also easier at the authoring side | Jan 21 16:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Youtube and Google using the patented and royalty-bearing h264 file format for their online videos, not an open standard: http://i5.be/al1 | Jan 21 16:12 | |
| cubezzz | ok what is ö in unicode for html? | Jan 21 16:12 |
| cubezzz | as an example | Jan 21 16:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | same as everywhere. | Jan 21 16:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | you're clearly using unicode irc | Jan 21 16:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | copy and paste it :) | Jan 21 16:12 |
| cubezzz | from kcharselect | Jan 21 16:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: utf-8 is the same everywhere | Jan 21 16:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: html is no different. just make sure you have the charset META tag | Jan 21 16:13 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: sorry, i don't have paypal and afaik i can't receive money via paypal in hungary | Jan 21 16:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: is there another way I could pay you? | Jan 21 16:13 |
| MinceR | dunno | Jan 21 16:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: Western Union? | Jan 21 16:13 |
| MinceR | that might exist | Jan 21 16:13 |
| MinceR | i have no experience in this matter | Jan 21 16:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: well, I'm presuming you want to do it in the first place. | Jan 21 16:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: I could pay you in maple syrup! | Jan 21 16:14 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if i want to :) | Jan 21 16:14 |
| MinceR | being lazy and all that | Jan 21 16:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: that's fine. I don't want to presume anything. | Jan 21 16:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: maybe you know somebody? | Jan 21 16:14 |
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| cubezzz | FurnaceBoy, are you on getacoder.com? | Jan 21 16:14 |
| MinceR | i don't know anyone who does translation work | Jan 21 16:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: no | Jan 21 16:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: np | Jan 21 16:14 |
| cubezzz | you could list your job there | Jan 21 16:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: well currently it's an offer passively promoted on the page | Jan 21 16:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: it gets decent traffic. we'll see | Jan 21 16:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: it's not just one job, i'll take any language, you see | Jan 21 16:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: have about 10 already | Jan 21 16:17 |
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| DaemonFC | I love these people that defend IE by saying Firefox has some bugs too | Jan 21 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | It's like saying we should all smoke because 1% of Emphysema cases are in non-smokers | Jan 21 16:22 |
| cubezzz | people are irrational | Jan 21 16:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | + | Jan 21 16:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Jan 21 16:26 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jan 21 16:27 |
| MinceR | especially m$ apologists | Jan 21 16:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | i've heard some crazy stuff :) | Jan 21 16:28 |
| cubezzz | ok, it works in firefox but not in lynx :-/ | Jan 21 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | http://hackademix.net/2010/01/06/noscript-against-pop-unders/ | Jan 21 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | yes, NoScript has stopped all pop-unders for me, I am pleased | Jan 21 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jan 21 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox should have a built-in pop-under blocker | Jan 21 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | there's not legitimate use for pop-unders that I am aware of | Jan 21 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | *no | Jan 21 16:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: +1 | Jan 21 16:30 |
| MinceR | the popup blocker should handle them all the same | Jan 21 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't | Jan 21 16:30 |
| MinceR | afaik the only difference is that they're set to be under the browser window | Jan 21 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | it should detect that and stop them too | Jan 21 16:31 |
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| DaemonFC | what possible legitimate use is there in opening one? | Jan 21 16:31 |
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| cubezzz | ok, now I'm having trouble using vim with unicode | Jan 21 16:35 |
| cubezzz | but I'll just use kedit instead | Jan 21 16:36 |
| cubezzz | I'm not a masochist | Jan 21 16:36 |
| MinceR | :set encoding=utf-8 | Jan 21 16:37 |
| cubezzz | it seems that kclipper will autoconvert entities into unicode | Jan 21 16:37 |
| cubezzz | ah | Jan 21 16:37 |
| cubezzz | gah | Jan 21 16:38 |
| cubezzz | now firefox doesn't like it | Jan 21 16:38 |
| cubezzz | damn it, it just will not work in both lynx and firefox | Jan 21 16:38 |
| MinceR | make sure the proper encoding is given in the HTTP header | Jan 21 16:39 |
| MinceR | also, you may need to :set fileencoding=utf-8 | Jan 21 16:39 |
| MinceR | before saving | Jan 21 16:39 |
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| Eruaran | hello | Jan 21 16:41 |
| Eruaran | I've been chatting with the pro-M$ dumbasses at Sage | Jan 21 16:41 |
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| Eruaran | Might be worth a mention | Jan 21 16:42 |
| cubezzz | <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> ? | Jan 21 16:42 |
| Eruaran | They basically blame Linux for their own lack of support for... Linux | Jan 21 16:42 |
| cubezzz | I think that's right | Jan 21 16:42 |
| MinceR | cubezzz: that's a workaround if you can't make your webserver specify the header | Jan 21 16:42 |
| Eruaran | The ultimate in lazy copouts | Jan 21 16:42 |
| MinceR | but it might work | Jan 21 16:42 |
| MinceR | Eruaran: they do that all the time when talking about hw/sw support | Jan 21 16:42 |
| cubezzz | now I got both entities and unicode in there | Jan 21 16:43 |
| MinceR | (ignoring the fact that winblows' hw support has gone to hell ever since vista was released) | Jan 21 16:43 |
| Eruaran | Consider the logic of these statements from "Gary" at Sage | Jan 21 16:43 |
| cubezzz | but lynx doesn't seem to be able to handle entities | Jan 21 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Vista was a setback for a while | Jan 21 16:43 |
| Eruaran | "At this point in time there is no consideration being given to running the HandiSoft programs on any platform besides the Microsoft operating systems." | Jan 21 16:43 |
| MinceR | bbl | Jan 21 16:43 |
| Eruaran | Ok, so Sage doesn't do software for anything but Windows... | Jan 21 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | any new driver model is painful | Jan 21 16:44 |
| Eruaran | Now... the next bit | Jan 21 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | but most XP drivers will still work in a pinch | Jan 21 16:44 |
| Eruaran | "Linux has been a cause of issues in the past" | Jan 21 16:44 |
| Eruaran | Linux... a platform they don't make any software for... has been a cause of issues... fascinating logic at work there | Jan 21 16:44 |
| cubezzz | is there any keyboard that has regular and all the accented characters too? | Jan 21 16:44 |
| cubezzz | I assume there is | Jan 21 16:44 |
| cubezzz | using kcharselect sucks | Jan 21 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | Eruaran: If the feature is generic enough, you might get lucky with the Linux driver if there's nothing else out there | Jan 21 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | that's my rule of thumb | Jan 21 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | but quite often, you only get basic features without their software which is of course only on Windows | Jan 21 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | like a webcam that follows you around the room with their Windows software | Jan 21 16:46 |
| cubezzz | don't buy stuff that you can't get programming specs for | Jan 21 16:46 |
| cubezzz | for if there are specs someone somewhere will write the driver | Jan 21 16:47 |
| Eruaran | Sage does accounting software | Jan 21 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | in that case you shouldn't buy much of anything | Jan 21 16:48 |
| Eruaran | Their software sucks on Windows | Jan 21 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | run it in Wine? | Jan 21 16:48 |
| Eruaran | It probably wouldn't take much effort on their part | Jan 21 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | do your taxes online? | Jan 21 16:48 |
| Eruaran | One of our clients is an accounting firm | Jan 21 16:49 |
| Eruaran | They're locked in... I suggested to Sage they actually do something to help their customers | Jan 21 16:49 |
| cubezzz | ok, I think I've got it now :) | Jan 21 16:50 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, yeah | Jan 21 16:50 |
| cubezzz | quicktax on the browser | Jan 21 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | Sage doesn't care about pissing off 1% of their customers | Jan 21 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | it would cost them more in effort to port it to Linux | Jan 21 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | probably | Jan 21 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | all businesses rate their customers on a "disposable scale" | Jan 21 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | like if they have to do more than a certain amount of effort to get x many more sales, they won't bother | Jan 21 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | there's not much sense in expending 10% more effort to get 1% more customers | Jan 21 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | unless they're planning to fork over a truckload of money | Jan 21 16:55 |
| Eruaran | Our client is looking to do a major overhaul of their infrastructure | Jan 21 17:03 |
| MinceR | re | Jan 21 17:04 |
| cubezzz | ok, recompiling lynx :-/ | Jan 21 17:04 |
| cubezzz | old lynx is too old I guess | Jan 21 17:04 |
| Eruaran | One thing they'd like to reduce their dependency upon is Microsoft products | Jan 21 17:04 |
| MinceR | 174236 < cubezzz> is there any keyboard that has regular and all the accented characters too? | Jan 21 17:04 |
| MinceR | i can recommend the us-altgr-intl layout | Jan 21 17:04 |
| Eruaran | I'm writing to Gary at Sage right now to let him know that Sage's lack of support for competing platforms is going to be a factor in our clients decision making process | Jan 21 17:04 |
| Eruaran | They're going to lose a rather large accounting firm | Jan 21 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.cobyusa.com/?p=prod&prod_num_id=341&pcat_id=2003 | Jan 21 17:05 |
| Eruaran | They probably dont care either | Jan 21 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | thoughts? | Jan 21 17:05 |
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| DaemonFC | hmm, I can get its big brother with DIVX support for $7 more | Jan 21 17:10 |
| cubezzz | ok, I need some help with this :-/ | Jan 21 17:11 |
| cubezzz | I can't get lynx to do the unicode stuff | Jan 21 17:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Microsoft claims nonexistence of Google "GSpot" http://newstechnica.com/?p=1274 | Jan 21 17:12 | |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, $3 more even | Jan 21 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 21 17:14 |
| Eruaran | meh I've deleted everything I was going to say and reduced my response to a quick one | Jan 21 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | a short comment that they probably won't listen to | Jan 21 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | or | Jan 21 17:15 |
| Eruaran | "Sage's lack of support for other platforms is a major issue. Our client has decided to move to a solution which eliminates the need for Windows clients, greatly reducing their dependency upon Microsoft products, support and license costs." | Jan 21 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | a diatribe that they certainly won't listen to | Jan 21 17:15 |
| Eruaran | Its a one liner | Jan 21 17:15 |
| Eruaran | Dear Gary.... Regards... | Jan 21 17:16 |
| Eruaran | Buh bye Sage | Jan 21 17:16 |
| *cubezzz reading about lynx and unicode | Jan 21 17:16 | |
| Eruaran | They really don't get it | Jan 21 17:16 |
| Eruaran | Perhaps when they've lost enough customers they'll get it | Jan 21 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | no "you blasphemous non-Linux supporting heathen swine, die in your beds you inhuman vermin, from the heart of hell I stab at thee, ARRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"? | Jan 21 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | none? | Jan 21 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | :( | Jan 21 17:17 |
| Eruaran | nope | Jan 21 17:17 |
| Eruaran | Just pointing out that they failed to offer what the customer wanted and needed... and they lost the customer | Jan 21 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, at least be a little dramatic | Jan 21 17:18 |
| Eruaran | heh | Jan 21 17:18 |
| cubezzz | yay | Jan 21 17:19 |
| cubezzz | got it | Jan 21 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | say "I think your product is raw sewage, it barely even works right on Windows, and I'll be taking my business elsewhere. Good day." | Jan 21 17:19 |
| cubezzz | you have to tell lynx to use utf-8 | Jan 21 17:19 |
| Eruaran | DaemonFC, heh, maybe I should send a PS: | Jan 21 17:19 |
| cubezzz | "In my quest to rid the world of all Microsoft filth..." ;-) | Jan 21 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | you can't repress yourself or you'll take out your tax software frustrations on your family | Jan 21 17:20 |
| cubezzz | go stallman on them | Jan 21 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | might even chase them all into a room, chop down the door with an axe and shout "Heeeeeeeeeere's Eruaran!!!!!" | Jan 21 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 21 17:20 |
| Eruaran | Our client wont be Windows free | Jan 21 17:21 |
| Eruaran | But they wont need client systems anymore | Jan 21 17:21 |
| cubezzz | ok, awesome, lynx is up to date now | Jan 21 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | Eruaran: Does Sage run on Wine or Crossover? | Jan 21 17:21 |
| Eruaran | Just one Windows server to host the new software on | Jan 21 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | is virtualization of Windows an option? | Jan 21 17:21 |
| Eruaran | DaemonFC, I had a look at WineHQ... it didn't look promising | Jan 21 17:21 |
| cubezzz | even my sister's kids use Linux now | Jan 21 17:21 |
| Eruaran | nah | Jan 21 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | you might get away with only buying one copy of it that way | Jan 21 17:21 |
| Eruaran | It's all web based now | Jan 21 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | Eruaran: There's been some bad regressions in Wine lately | Jan 21 17:22 |
| Eruaran | Our customer can have whatever client systems they want | Jan 21 17:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Olive Media Uses #GNU #Linux in Network #Audio Player http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/index.cfm?reviewid=3210582 | Jan 21 17:22 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Memories of #GNU #Linux Advocate Bruno Knaapen http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2010/01/monument-for-bruno.html | Jan 21 17:22 | |
| DaemonFC | post-1.1.29 | Jan 21 17:22 |
| Eruaran | It doesn't matter, its a web based interface | Jan 21 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | then why would it need Windows? | Jan 21 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | ActiveX or something? | Jan 21 17:22 |
| Eruaran | the new software is Access based and runs from a Windows server | Jan 21 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | oh nice | Jan 21 17:23 |
| Eruaran | But they'll still massively reduce costs | Jan 21 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | shoot whoever made that decision | Jan 21 17:23 |
| Eruaran | cant avoid it | Jan 21 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | uh huh, wait til the server crashes | Jan 21 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | or gets hit by a worm | Jan 21 17:23 |
| Eruaran | its an accounting firm, gotta have software that meets their needs | Jan 21 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | the term Windows Server is kind of an oxymoron | Jan 21 17:24 |
| Eruaran | Were at least helping them by elimintating the need for Windows clients | Jan 21 17:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] World's Best-Selling Films Made with #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/kde6 http://ur1.ca/kde7 | Jan 21 17:24 | |
| DaemonFC | it has all the problems of Windows 7 and some of its own too | Jan 21 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | Eruaran: Yeah, if you can't strike the root, at least cut off the branches? | Jan 21 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | maybe? | Jan 21 17:25 |
| Eruaran | Windows server for the new solution that gives them what they want - Linux client systems - Linux gateway | Jan 21 17:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Heaps of #LCA (Linux.conf.au) Coverage, Interviews http://ur1.ca/kdeb http://ur1.ca/kdec http://ur1.ca/kded | Jan 21 17:25 | |
| Eruaran | Its the best we can to right now | Jan 21 17:25 |
| Eruaran | Unless you know of a comprehensive solution for accounting firms that doesn't need a Windows server | Jan 21 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | the clients alone could save you a shitload of cash depending on how many workstations you use | Jan 21 17:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Government of New Zealand to Pilot Desktop #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/kdeg | Jan 21 17:26 | |
| Eruaran | yes | Jan 21 17:26 |
| cubezzz | now I have to figure out what to do about link rot | Jan 21 17:26 |
| Eruaran | At least 20 workstations not including notebooks | Jan 21 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | Eruaran: I still say virtualize it if possible | Jan 21 17:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Makes Computers "Cool Again", Sold for a Price Also http://ur1.ca/kdej http://ur1.ca/kdek | Jan 21 17:27 | |
| DaemonFC | try running it on a hypervisor that can detect attacks on the guest OS | Jan 21 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | wasn't Red Hat doing something like that? | Jan 21 17:27 |
| Eruaran | probably | Jan 21 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | if you have a Red Hat subscription anyway, you might be able to get away with doing that for no extra cost | Jan 21 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know though | Jan 21 17:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux in Robotics for Whale Research, Open-ended Designs http://ur1.ca/kdem http://ur1.ca/kden | Jan 21 17:29 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Servers Running #GNU #Linux http://www.securitypark.co.uk/security_article264005.html #ibm | Jan 21 17:30 | |
| Eruaran | I'll look into it | Jan 21 17:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Puts Its #GNU #Linux Projects on Desktops http://ur1.ca/kdeu http://ur1.ca/kdev http://ur1.ca/kdew | Jan 21 17:31 | |
| Eruaran | I'll have to check with TBS to see what they'll support | Jan 21 17:32 |
| Eruaran | If they're happy then we'll do it | Jan 21 17:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Kernel Developers Paid Well for Writing GPL-licensed Code http://apcmag.com/linux-now-75-corporate.htm | Jan 21 17:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Text Editors Hailed http://ur1.ca/kdfm http://ur1.ca/kdfn | Jan 21 17:39 | |
| cubezzz | bahaha | Jan 21 17:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of #Boxee for #GNU #Linux , New Payment System http://ur1.ca/kdft http://ur1.ca/kdfu | Jan 21 17:40 | |
| cubezzz | ridiculous | Jan 21 17:42 |
| cubezzz | text editors should be text based | Jan 21 17:42 |
| cubezzz | vim ftw | Jan 21 17:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Skype for #GNU #Linux 2.1 is Near http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Skype-for-Linux-2-1-Beta-2-adds-screen-sharing-909596.html | Jan 21 17:42 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Games for #GNU #Linux and Nostalgia Revived on the Platform http://ur1.ca/kdg1 http://ur1.ca/kdg2 | Jan 21 17:43 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Donate for #Haiti via #Avaaz: https://secure.avaaz.org/en/stand_with_haiti goes direct to trusted local organizations, $1m raised so far | Jan 21 17:44 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux -powered #Swindle Opens up to Developers http://ur1.ca/kdg5 http://ur1.ca/kdg6 | Jan 21 17:44 | |
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| MinceR | gvim ftw | Jan 21 17:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE SC Spreads to More Operating Systems, Camp KDE 2010 Coverage http://ur1.ca/kcv9 http://ur1.ca/kdg9 http://ur1.ca/kdga | Jan 21 17:46 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Nimblex #GNU #Linux, #Ylmf OS http://ur1.ca/kdgc http://ur1.ca/kdge | Jan 21 17:46 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Gentoo Book in German http://www.gentoo.org/news/20100117-wrobel-book-announcement.xml | Jan 21 17:47 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian #GNU #Linux Still Installable from Floppies http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/still-very-cool-debian-floppy-install/ | Jan 21 17:47 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @PoliceStateUK Petition: "The IPCC should become fully independent of the police" http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/PoliceSnafu | Jan 21 17:48 | |
| DaemonFC | Irony: Making a film about Che Guevara and sticking it on Blu Ray Disc | Jan 21 17:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] [Vista dev] Lettvin..spent so much time on coordination..that, in 1yr, he produced < 200 lines of code. http://bit.ly/4W4gL7 (via @spolsky) | Jan 21 17:51 | |
| MinceR | are socialist dictatorship and DRM somehow opposed to each other? | Jan 21 17:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Debate Develops Around #Ubuntu 's Opening to Non-Free Software http://ur1.ca/kdgw http://ur1.ca/kdgx | Jan 21 17:55 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at the Next Release of #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux , New Showcase Videos http://ur1.ca/kdh1 http://ur1.ca/kdh2 http://ur1.ca/kdh3 | Jan 21 17:56 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LockheedMartin Makes Use of #Linux http://www.everythingusb.com/ironclad-18380.html | Jan 21 17:57 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Debate About #SoftwareFreedom in Devices as #Linux Wins the Space http://ur1.ca/kdh9 http://ur1.ca/kdha http://ur1.ca/kdhb | Jan 21 17:59 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another #EBook Reader Runs #Linux Like the Rest http://m.pocket-lint.com/reviews/review_summary.phtml/4569 | Jan 21 18:00 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/youtube_launches_html5_video_beta/ | Jan 21 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | the first nail in Flash's coffin? | Jan 21 18:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux on #Nokia #N900 Revolutionaises Desktop-Phone Relationship http://ur1.ca/kdhh http://ur1.ca/kdhi http://ur1.ca/kdhj | Jan 21 18:01 | |
| MinceR | hopefully | Jan 21 18:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Linux ( #Android )-based E=Reader Arrives: "Entourage Edge" http://ur1.ca/kdhm | Jan 21 18:02 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Motorola Prepared Dozens of #Linux -based #Phone Models http://ur1.ca/kdhx http://ur1.ca/kdhy | Jan 21 18:03 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #HTC Bets on #Linux to Fight HypePhone, Others http://ur1.ca/kdi0 http://ur1.ca/kdi1 | Jan 21 18:04 | |
| MinceR | looks like google thinks they're too cool for theora/vorbis, just like nokia and crApple | Jan 21 18:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@ilovetypography re Clarendons, don't overlook Parry http://www.fontshop.com/fonts/downloads/ourtype/parry_grotesque_professional_ot/ | Jan 21 18:07 | |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 21 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Jan 21 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: All flash is, is a glorified wrapper for MPEG-4 anyway though, right? | Jan 21 18:08 |
| MinceR | more like a glorified wrapper for sorensen and maybe some parts of mpeg-4 | Jan 21 18:08 |
| MinceR | with a completely broken and naive approach to video playback | Jan 21 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | So at least by putting Flash out of the picture, Youtube is maybe less evil? | Jan 21 18:08 |
| MinceR | if you like also putting firefox out of the picture, sure | Jan 21 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | why can't Firefox play it? | Jan 21 18:10 |
| MinceR | probably because it doesn't support the proprietary codecs google is using | Jan 21 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, aren't there extensions that could do this? | Jan 21 18:10 |
| MinceR | google can't do anything right | Jan 21 18:10 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure | Jan 21 18:11 |
| MinceR | can you even run native code in an extension? | Jan 21 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | You figure this is a ruse to get people to ditch Firefox for Chrome? | Jan 21 18:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #HTML5 (SVG+JS+CSS) Fights #Flash Binaries http://ur1.ca/kdik http://ur1.ca/kdil | Jan 21 18:11 | |
| MinceR | most likely | Jan 21 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | something Google can control | Jan 21 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | I hope it backfires, I really do | Jan 21 18:11 |
| MinceR | so do i | Jan 21 18:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Many Examples of #FreeSoftware Projects in #FogComputing http://ur1.ca/kdim | Jan 21 18:12 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BT Uses #FreeSoftware http://www.linux.com/news/biz-os/governance/278454:an-insight-into-open-source-initiatives-at-bt | Jan 21 18:13 | |
| MinceR | doesn't work in epiphany either | Jan 21 18:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenOffice .org 3.2.0 a Step Closer to Final Release http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/new_openoffice_org_3_22 | Jan 21 18:14 | |
| MinceR | nor in konqueror | Jan 21 18:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nuxified Opens Arms, #Microsoft Front Group Hires #FOSS Expert http://ur1.ca/kdip http://ur1.ca/kdiq | Jan 21 18:15 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Free/Libre #Asterisk -based #VoIP Products and Services http://ur1.ca/kdit http://ur1.ca/kdiu http://ur1.ca/kdiw | Jan 21 18:17 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla #Firefox 3.6 is Released http://ur1.ca/kdiy http://ur1.ca/kdiz #ff | Jan 21 18:17 | |
| MinceR | if i have to install chrome/chromium to play youtube videos, i might as well just use clive to download them and play them in vlc or something | Jan 21 18:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Drupal #CMS in Review, Interview http://ur1.ca/kdj4 http://ur1.ca/kdj5 | Jan 21 18:19 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Further Openness Promoted in British Government, Car Development http://ur1.ca/kdj7 http://ur1.ca/kdj8 | Jan 21 18:19 | |
| *Adus has quit () | Jan 21 18:24 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Speaks About the Future and Past of #ChromeOS (GNU/Linux) http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2010/01/chrome-os-interview-1.ars | Jan 21 18:31 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Censorship in #China and Abuse of Civil Rights in #Vietnam http://ur1.ca/kdjw http://ur1.ca/kdjx http://ur1.ca/kdjy | Jan 21 18:32 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Infringing #IntellectualMonopolies Worse Than Killing a Human http://www.againstmonopoly.org/index.php?perm=593056000000002346 | Jan 21 18:33 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "OK Go" Gets It, Metal Distributor Does Too http://ur1.ca/kdk5 http://ur1.ca/kdk6 | Jan 21 18:35 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopoly May be Improper for Academia http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100105/0254517614.shtml | Jan 21 18:36 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopoly Can Harm Monopoly http://techdirt.com/articles/20100115/1737037782.shtml | Jan 21 18:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Gets Undeserved Monopoly on #MapReduce http://ur1.ca/kdkc #scam | Jan 21 18:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #ACTA #Conspiracy Harms #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/kdkh http://ur1.ca/kdki | Jan 21 18:39 | |
| DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2010/01/21/google-apple-the-mafiaa-and-the-racketeering-scheme-afoot-in-youtube/ | Jan 21 18:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google to Leave Room for More #Mobile #Linux Players in #China http://ur1.ca/kdl0 | Jan 21 18:47 | |
| cubezzz | this might be a tad old but: | Jan 21 18:49 |
| cubezzz | http://www.fool.com/investing/high-growth/2010/01/14/this-stock-loves-the-recession.aspx | Jan 21 18:49 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: you forgot to mention nokia | Jan 21 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | it's a big cartel, MinceR | Jan 21 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | of course I forgot someone | Jan 21 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 21 18:52 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 21 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: When describing MPEG-4 to people you should emphasize and repetitiously use the words "cartel" and "racketeering" | Jan 21 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | helps make the right point | Jan 21 18:56 |
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| MinceR | i'll try to keep it in mind | Jan 21 18:56 |
| phIRCe-local | Hello World! I'm phIRCe-local running phIRCe v0.3 | Jan 21 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | for example "In choosing to bypass public domain codecs in favor of cartel-promoted codecs spread by racketeering, Google has shown a vile, contemptible, and totally disgusting degree of contempt for its users and the public in whole." | Jan 21 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jan 21 18:57 |
| cubezzz | ok what is a public domain codec? | Jan 21 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | Vorbis/Theora | Jan 21 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | anything else released under a public domain license with no patents affecting it | Jan 21 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | MPC might count, I don't know | Jan 21 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | it's not widely supported anyway, so who cares? | Jan 21 19:00 |
| cubezzz | I doubt my pioneer supports Vorbis/Theora but I've never tried it | Jan 21 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: doubtful, but you can probably hook up your portable through an auxiliary jack | Jan 21 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | just use it as a dumb passthrough | Jan 21 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 21 19:04 |
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| phIRCe-BNc | Hello World! | Jan 21 19:04 |
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| DaemonFC | http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10439004-245.html | Jan 21 19:21 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft fixes 8 IE holes, including one used in attacks | InSecurity Complex - CNET News .::. Size~: 68.91 KB | Jan 21 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | What is this? Buy 1, get 7 at no additional charge? :) | Jan 21 19:21 |
| cubezzz | turn that 8 on it's side :) | Jan 21 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | and hasn't anyone noticed that Internet Explorer 5 is still supported? | Jan 21 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jan 21 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | IE 5.01 shipped with Windows 2000 and is supported until Windows 2000 is EOL in June | Jan 21 19:24 |
| MinceR | what does "supported" mean in m$-speak anyway? :> | Jan 21 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | this patch applies to IE 5.01 on Windows 200 :) | Jan 21 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | *2000 | Jan 21 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: You get security updates for 5 years after the 5 years of "mainstream" support | Jan 21 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | but no significant new functionality | Jan 21 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | XP is in that phase too | Jan 21 19:26 |
| cubezzz | bah | Jan 21 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft kept pushing back the date XP was in Extended Support | Jan 21 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | so that didn't start until last April | Jan 21 19:26 |
| MinceR | so i get security updates if m$ feels like providing them, like they didn't in the case of winxp? :> | Jan 21 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | XP will be supported until 2014 due to that | Jan 21 19:27 |
| *MinceR adds "may m$ provide support to you" to his list of curses | Jan 21 19:27 | |
| DaemonFC | XP gets security patches until 2014 | Jan 21 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | they also have to support three different versions of IE on XP | Jan 21 19:28 |
| cubezzz | I'd rather use CP/M | Jan 21 19:28 |
| cubezzz | I'd rather use AmigaDOS | Jan 21 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | They have to support IE 6, 7, and 8 on XP until 2014 | Jan 21 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | meaning that when IE 6 officially dies, it will be 14 years old | Jan 21 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | (and have 27,000 patches behind it) | Jan 21 19:29 |
| MinceR | and despite those 27000 patches, it will still be a steaming pile of crap | Jan 21 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | I was playing around with early versions of IE 6 | Jan 21 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | in the Windows Whistler beta program | Jan 21 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | IE 5.6 was only on the Whistler beta | Jan 21 19:31 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I'm suspecting the problem is passwords themselves. RT @guardiantech: Passwords: please try harder http://bit.ly/83Igk1 | Jan 21 19:40 | |
| MinceR | i'm suspecting the problem is not passwords but rather, idiots. | Jan 21 19:45 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 21 19:45 |
| wallc_ | I sing my passwords. All my passwords are song lyrics or variations thereof...it's hard to explain, but it works for me. | Jan 21 19:47 |
| MinceR | mine are randomly generated. :> | Jan 21 19:48 |
| wallc_ | so are mine, but they're easy to remember...i have a very cool method. | Jan 21 19:48 |
| wallc_ | hmmm, i have a feeling that you probably don't believe me... | Jan 21 19:50 |
| wallc_ | : ) | Jan 21 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: A "User Error - Replace user and strike any key" situation | Jan 21 19:51 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jan 21 19:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] F has learnt to count to two, and is now pointing and going "one, two!" at any pair of anything. (Except breasts. Yet.) | Jan 21 19:53 | |
| MinceR | :D | Jan 21 19:54 |
| wallc_ | well, i guess i've just been designated as a replaceable error. lol...ok, some days BN is less friendly than others...no problem. Later, kids, : ) | Jan 21 19:59 |
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| MinceR | lol wut | Jan 21 20:05 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: 6 Critical, 1 Moderate, and 1 Low for IE 8 on Windows 7 x64 | Jan 21 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | in today's megapatch | Jan 21 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | funny enough, after downplaying the Aurora one all week, Microsoft rated it Critical on all platforms and every version of IE :) | Jan 21 20:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "Those who use the internet to recruit terrorists or distribute stolen intellectual property" - actual line from h. clinton Internet speech | Jan 21 20:41 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b7U82ehS9Q&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=7178922255A8DDBE | Jan 21 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63GiXzpfGhA&feature=channel | Jan 21 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | haha | Jan 21 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | coool | Jan 21 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | "It would be crazy to not carry a gun" Interviewer: "Why is that?" "Cause I can't carry a police officer around with me, now can I? It's a dangerous world." | Jan 21 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | good answer | Jan 21 20:59 |
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| wispygalaxy | hi everyone! long time no see! | Jan 21 21:00 |
| wispygalaxy | im back at school for now | Jan 21 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | Now I admit this isn't some eastern country where the government collapsed and people are always shooting at you | Jan 21 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | but there's still a lot of crazy people | Jan 21 21:00 |
| wispygalaxy | roy, are you around? | Jan 21 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | Armalite makes some strange stuff | Jan 21 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | like that .22 caliber survival rifle where a lot of it's plastic | Jan 21 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | feels like you're carrying around a toy | Jan 21 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | but I guess that's why soldiers in Vietnam called the M-16 the Mattel 16 | Jan 21 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | Hi, wispygalaxy | Jan 21 21:11 |
| wispygalaxy | hi roy! | Jan 21 21:12 |
| wispygalaxy | how are you doing today? | Jan 21 21:12 |
| wispygalaxy | today was my first day of classes | Jan 21 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: You may want to point out that the aurora exploit was finally rated Critical in the Microsoft Security Bulletin | Jan 21 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | for every version of Windows and IE between 2000-7 and 5.01-8 | Jan 21 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | even on IE 8 on XP SP3 and later, which forces DEP to be on | Jan 21 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | so much for playing it off all week, huh? | Jan 21 21:14 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: just got back.. | Jan 21 21:14 |
| schestowitz | 10 minutes... gotta take a shower.. brb | Jan 21 21:14 |
| wispygalaxy | from where? | Jan 21 21:15 |
| wispygalaxy | ok oh | Jan 21 21:15 |
| wispygalaxy | oh ok* | Jan 21 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | they tried completely marginalizing it in IE8 until a security researcher sent them some example exploit code demonstrating how to get around DEP | Jan 21 21:15 |
| cubezzz | looks like Orcale can buy Sun now | Jan 21 21:17 |
| cubezzz | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703699204575016561637563060.html?ru=yahoo&mod=yahoo_hs | Jan 21 21:17 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: EU Clears Oracle to Buy Sun Microsystems - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 105.04 KB | Jan 21 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | that was easy | Jan 21 21:29 |
| *DaemonFC loves filling out government forms online | Jan 21 21:29 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] cpanel, you so fine, wtf have you done NOW. Load average on server ~270. All httpd. | Jan 21 21:29 | |
| DaemonFC | I'm a terrorist | Jan 21 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | I deprived the post office of 47 cents | Jan 21 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 21 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | that was someone's job! | Jan 21 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | I'm such a bastard | Jan 21 21:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] and no I'm not being slashdotted | Jan 21 21:32 | |
| schestowitz | [19:59] <wallc_> well, i guess i've just been designated as a replaceable error. lol...ok, some days BN is less friendly than others...no problem. Later, kids, : ) | Jan 21 21:44 |
| schestowitz | I can't figure out if anyone was rude | Jan 21 21:44 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: what's up? | Jan 21 21:45 |
| wispygalaxy | im chilling in my room | Jan 21 21:45 |
| wispygalaxy | im reading your links for today | Jan 21 21:45 |
| wispygalaxy | im seriously thinking about getting a new distro to try out | Jan 21 21:46 |
| wispygalaxy | what do you suggest? | Jan 21 21:46 |
| schestowitz | which one are you on right now? | Jan 21 21:46 |
| wispygalaxy | im using debian lenny | Jan 21 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Pardus looks good | Jan 21 21:47 |
| wispygalaxy | for about a year | Jan 21 21:47 |
| wispygalaxy | ive heard of pardus | Jan 21 21:47 |
| wispygalaxy | is vector linux still around? | Jan 21 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Yes, it's good | Jan 21 21:48 |
| schestowitz | BTW, trmanco came to CA yesterday | Jan 21 21:48 |
| schestowitz | He came here to IRC first to say he landed OK :-) | Jan 21 21:49 |
| wispygalaxy | canada? | Jan 21 21:49 |
| wispygalaxy | or california | Jan 21 21:49 |
| schestowitz | United States of Canada :-p | Jan 21 21:49 |
| wispygalaxy | i hope tony has fn! | Jan 21 21:49 |
| wispygalaxy | fun* | Jan 21 21:49 |
| wispygalaxy | hah roy | Jan 21 21:49 |
| schestowitz | He has fn() too | Jan 21 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Bollean | Jan 21 21:49 |
| wispygalaxy | lol :) | Jan 21 21:49 |
| schestowitz | *Boolean | Jan 21 21:49 |
| wispygalaxy | ive been to california to see my cousin | Jan 21 21:50 |
| schestowitz | fn(if {!fun}, then cry(); return 1} | Jan 21 21:50 |
| wispygalaxy | that's leet :P | Jan 21 21:50 |
| wispygalaxy | how's COLA? | Jan 21 21:50 |
| schestowitz | OK | Jan 21 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Under control by the Good Guys(tm) | Jan 21 21:50 |
| wispygalaxy | ive been catching up a bit there | Jan 21 21:50 |
| wispygalaxy | you're one of them! :) | Jan 21 21:51 |
| wispygalaxy | the good guys | Jan 21 21:51 |
| wispygalaxy | and tony | Jan 21 21:51 |
| wispygalaxy | and marti | Jan 21 21:51 |
| wispygalaxy | i had an IT class today on information systems | Jan 21 21:52 |
| wispygalaxy | it's really watered down stuff | Jan 21 21:52 |
| schestowitz | You know Marti? | Jan 21 21:53 |
| wispygalaxy | in class today, i knew a lot of the terms... my prof was impressed with my comments in the discussion today | Jan 21 21:53 |
| schestowitz | You can find him on Twitter now | Jan 21 21:53 |
| wispygalaxy | yeah marti, ive talked to him in COLA | Jan 21 21:53 |
| wispygalaxy | oh yeah, marti on twitter | Jan 21 21:53 |
| schestowitz | I got my class today as well | Jan 21 21:53 |
| schestowitz | MIT lectures on chemistry :-) | Jan 21 21:53 |
| schestowitz | I had spare time... | Jan 21 21:53 |
| wispygalaxy | it's good that you have a thirst for knowledge | Jan 21 21:53 |
| schestowitz | I was also on the phone w/ my brother for 4 hours (again) | Jan 21 21:54 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: it's useful | Jan 21 21:54 |
| wispygalaxy | family bonding | Jan 21 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Helps understand how everything works | Jan 21 21:54 |
| wispygalaxy | yes, it's knowing the basics of the universe | Jan 21 21:54 |
| wispygalaxy | i accidentally walked in on a physics class today... i was in the right room for my class but 15 mins too early. the old man teaching the class said welcome to me. | Jan 21 21:56 |
| wispygalaxy | then i look at the chalkboard and i see physics equations.... uh oh wrong class! | Jan 21 21:56 |
| wispygalaxy | not one kid noticed that i wasn't supposed to be there lol | Jan 21 21:56 |
| wispygalaxy | smooth escape i'd say :P | Jan 21 21:57 |
| wispygalaxy | the funny thing was that i thought all the kids in there were early for my class so i sat down. there were only 10 kids there, it didnt look like a class in session | Jan 21 21:59 |
| schestowitz | :-)) | Jan 21 22:01 |
| schestowitz | [21:56] <wispygalaxy> i accidentally walked in on a physics class today... i was in the right room for my class but 15 mins too early. the old man teaching the class said welcome to me. | Jan 21 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Eccentric? | Jan 21 22:01 |
| schestowitz | My chemistry teacher was very muchly ridiculed | Jan 21 22:01 |
| wispygalaxy | awww :( | Jan 21 22:02 |
| wispygalaxy | my chem teacher from 19th grade recently got her phd at age 45 | Jan 21 22:02 |
| wispygalaxy | 10th* | Jan 21 22:02 |
| wispygalaxy | both of my sisters had her for honors chem like i did | Jan 21 22:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Clinton: Internet freedom "vital" except for music downloaders http://newstechnica.com/?p=1301 | Jan 21 22:10 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Clinton: Internet freedom vital except for music downloaders | NewsTechnica .::. Size~: 41.98 KB | Jan 21 22:10 |
| wispygalaxy | lmao at the pic in the article | Jan 21 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Let me see...... | Jan 21 22:13 |
| schestowitz | David is funny... | Jan 21 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Oh, he makes better pictures | Jan 21 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | I'm debating with myself on getting an upscaling DVD player or a Blu Ray player to play my DVDs | Jan 21 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | My DVD player has decided to act up, and I sold the XBOX 360 | Jan 21 22:14 |
| schestowitz | This one just looks like Hillary when she find out about Monica | Jan 21 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | my computer is the only thing that can play my DVDs now | Jan 21 22:14 |
| schestowitz | DVDs suck | Jan 21 22:14 |
| schestowitz | DRM for standard films | Jan 21 22:15 |
| schestowitz | No backup | Jan 21 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Too high a resolution and framerate, which the human eye hardly discerns anyway | Jan 21 22:15 |
| wispygalaxy | lol roy i can imagine hil being pissed about monica | Jan 21 22:15 |
| schestowitz | It's hard enough for me and my friends to tell apart HD channels from old ones | Jan 21 22:15 |
| wispygalaxy | yeah i cant either | Jan 21 22:15 |
| wispygalaxy | but we have on demand at home | Jan 21 22:16 |
| schestowitz | WHose demand? | Jan 21 22:16 |
| schestowitz | The filmmakers | Jan 21 22:16 |
| wispygalaxy | my demand :P | Jan 21 22:16 |
| schestowitz | "Pay us more" | Jan 21 22:16 |
| schestowitz | We demand | Jan 21 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Pay over and over again for the same film | Jan 21 22:16 |
| schestowitz | 2 days later it goes POOF! | Jan 21 22:16 |
| wispygalaxy | bye bye | Jan 21 22:17 |
| schestowitz | You think you buy the film | Jan 21 22:17 |
| schestowitz | But you bye the film | Jan 21 22:17 |
| wispygalaxy | google is going to see movies that go poof in 48 hrs | Jan 21 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Or rent it | Jan 21 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Google enters this too | Jan 21 22:17 |
| schestowitz | It was in the news yesterday | Jan 21 22:17 |
| schestowitz | IIRC< it'll start with national baseball or something | Jan 21 22:17 |
| wispygalaxy | renting is unsatisfactory | Jan 21 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Live streaming | Jan 21 22:17 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: it's satisfactory for those who are used to it | Jan 21 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Taking it for granted | Jan 21 22:18 |
| wispygalaxy | i will tolerate ads if they stream good quality content | Jan 21 22:18 |
| schestowitz | I like to keep what I like | Jan 21 22:18 |
| wispygalaxy | me too | Jan 21 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Everyone does | Jan 21 22:18 |
| wispygalaxy | some people still keep valued possessions under the bed | Jan 21 22:18 |
| wispygalaxy | i never did that | Jan 21 22:18 |
| wispygalaxy | like money | Jan 21 22:19 |
| wispygalaxy | in the mattress | Jan 21 22:19 |
| wispygalaxy | im getting like 5 texts a minute now on my cell phone! | Jan 21 22:20 |
| wispygalaxy | finding it hard to concentrate | Jan 21 22:20 |
| wispygalaxy | i havent chat with tony in a while, wish he was here! | Jan 21 22:22 |
| wispygalaxy | he's going to like california | Jan 21 22:23 |
| wispygalaxy | northern CA is very nice | Jan 21 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | Blu Ray is still struggling | Jan 21 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | http://i48.tinypic.com/2ih16qf.jpg | Jan 21 22:23 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/png type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 21 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | DVD is still outselling it 10-1 | Jan 21 22:24 |
| schestowitz | [22:19] <wispygalaxy> like money | Jan 21 22:24 |
| schestowitz | What is money? | Jan 21 22:24 |
| wispygalaxy | my sister got a blu ray movie from the library two weeks ago,,, it was a movie she had trouble finding. she pops it in her laptop and it doesnt play | Jan 21 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | Blu Ray is bordering on failure, schestowitz | Jan 21 22:24 |
| schestowitz | People never want to answer when I ask this | Jan 21 22:24 |
| schestowitz | They need to first understand commodities | Jan 21 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | I think they've outdone themselves with greed | Jan 21 22:25 |
| wispygalaxy | money is something you exchange for goods? | Jan 21 22:25 |
| schestowitz | They were indoctrinated in schools (by admission of country leader who even use this word) | Jan 21 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Money is not what they think | Jan 21 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | wispygalaxy: Cause she didn't pay Cyberlink for a new player license for that month? | Jan 21 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 21 22:25 |
| wispygalaxy | nope! :P | Jan 21 22:25 |
| wispygalaxy | she had a hunch that it wouldnt work, though :( | Jan 21 22:25 |
| schestowitz | It's like a note from momma saying you can have the authority to tell the cab driver where to go | Jan 21 22:25 |
| schestowitz | But it's made out of debt | Jan 21 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | I just don't like anything about Blu Ray | Jan 21 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | it just feels wrong | Jan 21 22:26 |
| wispygalaxy | i like the color lol | Jan 21 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | I think I'll stay with DVD | Jan 21 22:26 |
| wispygalaxy | dvd is easier to use | Jan 21 22:26 |
| wispygalaxy | besides, im going with movies delivered online | Jan 21 22:26 |
| wispygalaxy | i bet that ill move away from discs | Jan 21 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | Blu Ray isn't that much noticeably better, little sharper | Jan 21 22:26 |
| schestowitz | [22:25] <wispygalaxy> money is something you exchange for goods? | Jan 21 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | nothing like going to DVD from VHS | Jan 21 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Assuming the money is seen as having value | Jan 21 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | I was sold on DVD the second I saw the display | Jan 21 22:27 |
| wispygalaxy | my mom still clings to her VHS tapes | Jan 21 22:27 |
| schestowitz | A cheque from people whose cheques bounce is worthless | Jan 21 22:27 |
| wispygalaxy | i used to play DVDS on my PS2 | Jan 21 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Walmart doesn't even take checks anymore | Jan 21 22:27 |
| wispygalaxy | if you watch your account, then you wont have to bounce | Jan 21 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | they scan the routing and account numbers, debit it | Jan 21 22:27 |
| wispygalaxy | some people like living on the edge | Jan 21 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | and hand the check back | Jan 21 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | if it doesn't go through, they'll rip it up and hand it back to you | Jan 21 22:28 |
| wispygalaxy | rip it? lol | Jan 21 22:28 |
| wispygalaxy | thats mean XD | Jan 21 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, watched them do it to my aunt | Jan 21 22:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Register Gloats About #Microsoft #Vapourware and Daemonises the Victim #RedHat http://ur1.ca/ke21 | Jan 21 22:28 | |
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| DaemonFC | I was trying not to laugh | Jan 21 22:28 |
| wispygalaxy | and they made her throw it out? :( | Jan 21 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | how do you make $90,000 a year and bounce a check? | Jan 21 22:28 |
| wispygalaxy | people in retail live from paycheck to paycheck. my friend used to work in a place where 75% of the people were like that | Jan 21 22:29 |
| wispygalaxy | they would get their checks and rush out to get either lunch or cigarrettes | Jan 21 22:29 |
| wispygalaxy | because they didnt have the cash for it earlier in the day | Jan 21 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | retail is the job that will fuck with your brain more than anything else | Jan 21 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | in the pay range anyway | Jan 21 22:31 |
| wispygalaxy | it also puts you in physical pain, lots of people stand on their feet for hours | Jan 21 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Walmart told us to take away chairs for the cashiers that needed them | Jan 21 22:32 |
| wispygalaxy | at my school, the cashiers cant sit down | Jan 21 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | make them hurt, and quit if they were about to cost the company insurance plan money | Jan 21 22:32 |
| wispygalaxy | im friends with one of them, shes very nice and i hate what they are doing to her | Jan 21 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | horrible company to work for | Jan 21 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | there's like two or three people in the store that make any kind of decent money | Jan 21 22:33 |
| wispygalaxy | managers, i bet | Jan 21 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | store managers and co-managers | Jan 21 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | assistant managers don't even get as much money per hour as a lot of the hourlies | Jan 21 22:34 |
| wispygalaxy | thats sad :( | Jan 21 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | and if there's a bonus check that year, the assistant managers get less than the hourlies | Jan 21 22:34 |
| wispygalaxy | oops i have to go now. see you all later! ill be back soon | Jan 21 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | you start out around $30,000 as an assistant manager around here | Jan 21 22:34 |
| wispygalaxy | one of these days | Jan 21 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | and work 60 hour weeks | Jan 21 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | I've had some of "those weeks" | Jan 21 22:35 |
| wispygalaxy | i would hate working overtime | Jan 21 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | lots of them | Jan 21 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | except that my overtime was working for free | Jan 21 22:35 |
| wispygalaxy | did you get a nice vacation afterward? | Jan 21 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | the salary was supposed to be built around a 48 hour week | Jan 21 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | it turned into about 60 usually | Jan 21 22:35 |
| wispygalaxy | for a short while, my dad would get a free dinner if he worked overtime. so he'd take us out for a meal :P | Jan 21 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Jan 21 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | I got to fall in bed on my day off and maybe sleep | Jan 21 22:36 |
| wispygalaxy | that's terrible about the vacation | Jan 21 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | then maybe someone calls me and asks a stupid question | Jan 21 22:36 |
| wispygalaxy | put your cell on silent and say that you were sleeping :) | Jan 21 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | wispygalaxy: You are not allowed to turn off your phone on your days off | Jan 21 22:36 |
| wispygalaxy | oh ok | Jan 21 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | if it happens once or twice that you don't answer, you're ok | Jan 21 22:37 |
| wispygalaxy | that's kinda like surveillance | Jan 21 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | if it keeps happening, you get write ups and fired | Jan 21 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Jan 21 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | I've been face down asleep from where I literally fell into bed | Jan 21 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | still in my work clothes | Jan 21 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | and the phone rings | Jan 21 22:38 |
| wispygalaxy | wow you must have been tired | Jan 21 22:38 |
| wispygalaxy | i force myself to get into my pjs :D | Jan 21 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | working for Walmart as an assistant manager is like being in Guantanamo I'm sure | Jan 21 22:38 |
| wispygalaxy | luckily im getting more sleep than i did in high school | Jan 21 22:38 |
| wispygalaxy | yep, having to deal with customers | Jan 21 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | wispygalaxy: I put on about 80 pounds | Jan 21 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | when I worked there | Jan 21 22:39 |
| wispygalaxy | i hope you're ok! | Jan 21 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | it's off now | Jan 21 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | stress, no sleep | Jan 21 22:40 |
| wispygalaxy | i *lost* weight when i came to college | Jan 21 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | you start looking for anything and everything to eat | Jan 21 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | that was by far the worst job I've had in my life | Jan 21 22:40 |
| wispygalaxy | yeah, stress can make you nervous | Jan 21 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | I would work as a janitor before I did it again | Jan 21 22:40 |
| wispygalaxy | note to self: shop but dont work at wal mart :P | Jan 21 22:41 |
| wispygalaxy | i admit, walmart can be cheap | Jan 21 22:41 |
| wispygalaxy | but, the sales at supermarkets can be cheaper than walmart. according to my mom | Jan 21 22:41 |
| wispygalaxy | she keeps a close eye on prices | Jan 21 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | well, I admit that I shop there | Jan 21 22:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Simon Jenkins showcases his skill at utter wank in a second field http://tr.im/L9KJ | Jan 21 22:42 | |
| DaemonFC | but not first | Jan 21 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | Big Lots is my first stop | Jan 21 22:42 |
| wispygalaxy | i havent been there before | Jan 21 22:42 |
| wispygalaxy | but ive seen it | Jan 21 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | they have all kinds of "experimental" flavors of everything that didn't sell | Jan 21 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | I got some wasabi Pringles there this morning | Jan 21 22:43 |
| wispygalaxy | haha they have that flavor? | Jan 21 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | like 75 cents a can | Jan 21 22:43 |
| wispygalaxy | nice deal! | Jan 21 22:43 |
| wispygalaxy | my sister recently got thyme... she puts it on garlic bread | Jan 21 22:43 |
| wispygalaxy | its really good | Jan 21 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, quesadillas too | Jan 21 22:44 |
| wispygalaxy | i havent eaten one of those in a while | Jan 21 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | they have those Java Monsters for 50 cents | Jan 21 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | those are like $2 per can in the store | Jan 21 22:44 |
| wispygalaxy | do they come in cool flavors? | Jan 21 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, I got a bunch of the Russian ones and the Chai Hai | Jan 21 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | they're discontinuing my favorites :( | Jan 21 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | so I stockpile it for real cheap | Jan 21 22:45 |
| wispygalaxy | good idea | Jan 21 22:45 |
| wispygalaxy | hopefully they have them online | Jan 21 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | they have all kinds of stuff, even bread | Jan 21 22:45 |
| wispygalaxy | bread's really easy to make. my sister made it the other day. it takes a short time | Jan 21 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | they have Sunbeam bread for 25 cents a loaf | Jan 21 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | it's only got like 3-4 days left though | Jan 21 22:46 |
| wispygalaxy | where im at they changed the price from 1.19 to 1.49 for bread loaves | Jan 21 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | but yeah, 70% of my grocery shopping done there at a third the price | Jan 21 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | then I head to Walmart or Kroger for the rest | Jan 21 22:47 |
| wispygalaxy | smart shopping | Jan 21 22:47 |
| wispygalaxy | i g2g now, someone's picking me up now. bye! | Jan 21 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | bye for now | Jan 21 22:47 |
| wispygalaxy | take care! | Jan 21 22:48 |
| wispygalaxy | bye to you, roy! | Jan 21 22:48 |
| schestowitz | [22:27] <DaemonFC> schestowitz: Walmart doesn't even take checks anymore | Jan 21 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | Right.. | Jan 21 22:48 |
| schestowitz | They'll be phased out soon in the UK | Jan 21 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | they should be | Jan 21 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | they're a relic | Jan 21 22:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft -Sponsored #Obama Administration Told by Microsoft to Make #Snoops Easier http://ur1.ca/ke4l #fbi #spooks | Jan 21 23:04 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | heh | Jan 21 23:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | checks are retarded anyhow | Jan 21 23:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | one check is basically enough to start committing all sorts of fraud | Jan 21 23:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | ex: bank, wire, mail, etc etc | Jan 21 23:20 |
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| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3: Which is why I memorized my routing number and account number | Jan 21 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | then shredded my checks | Jan 21 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | I don't want them, I never use them, they're just sitting there waiting for someone to steal them | Jan 21 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | I pay my car insurance with EFT though | Jan 21 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | if you do it with EFT, each installment fee is $1, if you do it with your debit card, it's $5 ($1 or $8 for my last insurance) | Jan 21 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | if you pay with your card they basically make you pay for whatever the credit card company is charging them to run the card | Jan 21 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | most people don't know it, but when you slide your card at a retailer, Visa usually wants like 1.5% of the total sale | Jan 21 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | so all these people (including me) who swipe their card for everything are causing prices to go up about that much | Jan 21 23:43 |
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| schestowitz | tessier__: ping | Jan 21 23:47 |
| schestowitz | tessier: server not available | Jan 21 23:47 |
| tessier | checking | Jan 21 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Thanks | Jan 21 23:48 |
| tessier | freakin' plone. I gotta dump that thing. Keeps blowing up the server where the proxy is running. | Jan 21 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Ah, I thought it might be the proxy | Jan 21 23:49 |
| tessier | Back up. The proxy will soon move to its own dedicated machine. | Jan 21 23:50 |
| tessier | Other sites will soon need it as well. | Jan 21 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Thanks so much | Jan 21 23:50 |
| tessier | welcome | Jan 21 23:51 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder why they are selling the complete Farscape collection on DVD | Jan 21 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | they cancelled that on the fourth season in a cliffhanger and they want people to buy it that way? | Jan 21 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | That's why I hate following a series that has episode continuity | Jan 21 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | you could follow it for four years just to have them do that | Jan 21 23:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Indian Activists Fight Back Against #Microsoft #Patents as Jeremy Allison Repeats Warning http://ur1.ca/ke86 #mono | Jan 21 23:57 | |
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