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| _Goblin | Ive got it..... | Jan 25 00:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] things I hitherto never expected to say to anyone. "maybe i can put your #Tumblr in my #Friendfeed" | Jan 25 00:00 | |
| _Goblin | "Choosing Windows is like changing a nappy, theres a nasty surprise to be found" | Jan 25 00:01 |
| _Goblin | since Im on nappy duty today. | Jan 25 00:01 |
| cubezzz | you have to try hard to avoid doze | Jan 25 00:01 |
| _Goblin | or changing nappies | Jan 25 00:01 |
| cubezzz | I've gone to great lengths | Jan 25 00:01 |
| cubezzz | yeah, I avoided that too :) | Jan 25 00:01 |
| _Goblin | so have I! | Jan 25 00:02 |
| _Goblin | doing the bins and letting the wife have the priveledge is one of my common ones. | Jan 25 00:02 |
| _Goblin | sorry for my bad spelling...Im being distracted by wrestling/twitter and a little messing around with Fedora | Jan 25 00:04 |
| schestowitz | [00:01] <_Goblin> "Choosing Windows is like changing a nappy, theres a nasty surprise to be found" | Jan 25 00:05 |
| schestowitz | But my point is, people don't choose Windows | Jan 25 00:05 |
| schestowitz | They treat it as a given | Jan 25 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Like a bladder in need of emptying | Jan 25 00:05 |
| schestowitz | They aren't offered choice | Jan 25 00:05 |
| cubezzz | there is a choice, but it requires extra effort | Jan 25 00:05 |
| cubezzz | you can't be passive | Jan 25 00:06 |
| schestowitz | Wresting, Fedora, and beer, eh? | Jan 25 00:06 |
| ender2070__ | lol | Jan 25 00:06 |
| schestowitz | They need to have Fedora Man in WCW | Jan 25 00:06 |
| _Goblin | nah no beer... | Jan 25 00:06 |
| schestowitz | It's a geeky guy with a red hat.. | Jan 25 00:06 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: lager? | Jan 25 00:06 |
| _Goblin | and WCW has been gone for years. | Jan 25 00:06 |
| ender2070__ | I have one choice from dell for linux netbooks | Jan 25 00:06 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: I know | Jan 25 00:06 |
| ender2070__ | mini 10v | Jan 25 00:06 |
| _Goblin | nah... no lager. | Jan 25 00:06 |
| cubezzz | acer | Jan 25 00:07 |
| cubezzz | but still not ideal | Jan 25 00:07 |
| _Goblin | Im up looking after teethers so that my wife can have an early night. | Jan 25 00:07 |
| _Goblin | asleep at the moment....all is calm... | Jan 25 00:07 |
| ender2070__ | gotta love best buy | Jan 25 00:08 |
| _Goblin | I must admit, I do like Fedora very much...been doing so much distro hopping, forgot how great it is. | Jan 25 00:08 |
| ender2070__ | "buy an lcd hd tv now, and we'll recycle your old one for free" | Jan 25 00:09 |
| ender2070__ | how about give me money for it | Jan 25 00:09 |
| ender2070__ | lol | Jan 25 00:09 |
| ender2070__ | fuck letting them sell it to some refurbushed/liquidation shop for $$$ at my expense | Jan 25 00:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/GNOME-3.0-Fear-Not | Jan 25 00:10 |
| schestowitz | I fear Monome | Jan 25 00:10 |
| _Goblin | I don't.....just look at the amount of negative comments it gets whenever its brought up in an article. | Jan 25 00:10 |
| _Goblin | theres no killer app from it and maybe Mono will assist in a single standard DE...(when people move away from Gnome) | Jan 25 00:11 |
| _Goblin | On every site Ive seen (even the big name ones) the Mono advocacy gets a massive hit from people who simply don't want it (and not just from a patent trap POV either) | Jan 25 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Linux is dead, eh? http://www.geek.com/articles/gadgets/misa-digital-guitar-replaces-strings-with-a-touchscreen-20100119/ | Jan 25 00:12 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Misa Digital Guitar replaces strings with a touchscreen – New Tech Gadgets & Electronic Devices | Geek.com .::. Size~: 57.28 KB | Jan 25 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Gentoo. | Jan 25 00:13 |
| schestowitz | The appliances become smarter | Jan 25 00:13 |
| schestowitz | They get smarter (RT)OSes | Jan 25 00:13 |
| _Goblin | been gone before.....sort of.... | Jan 25 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Linux has too many companies depend on it | Jan 25 00:13 |
| _Goblin | a synthaxe | Jan 25 00:13 |
| schestowitz | X too | Jan 25 00:13 |
| _Goblin | (in respect of the guitar) | Jan 25 00:13 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: the whole KISS thing? | Jan 25 00:13 |
| _Goblin | I think KISS used BC Rich guitars | Jan 25 00:14 |
| schestowitz | What's that? | Jan 25 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Band? | Jan 25 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Brand? | Jan 25 00:14 |
| _Goblin | (my favorite guitar in my collection) | Jan 25 00:14 |
| schestowitz | You collect those? | Jan 25 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Ah.. I can recall the photo now | Jan 25 00:14 |
| _Goblin | Im a guitarist (hobby) and I have bought many over the years. | Jan 25 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Cowboy+guitar | Jan 25 00:15 |
| cubezzz | I think Linux is winning on devices other than desktop, although obviously lots of us still use it for desktop as well | Jan 25 00:15 |
| MinceR | s/still/already/ | Jan 25 00:15 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 25 00:15 |
| schestowitz | The Goodbye Novell Blues http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIfg1DkZgG8 | Jan 25 00:15 |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: I got your DM, it says nothing new | Jan 25 00:17 |
| schestowitz | What's the earliest time on Tuesday you are available (after work)? | Jan 25 00:17 |
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| _Goblin | no, I wasn't sure if you recieved DM's | Jan 25 00:18 |
| schestowitz | I do | Jan 25 00:18 |
| schestowitz | But I dislike them | Jan 25 00:18 |
| _Goblin | is it the 26th you are down in London? | Jan 25 00:18 |
| schestowitz | There's E-mail for that | Jan 25 00:18 |
| schestowitz | 2nd | Jan 25 00:18 |
| _Goblin | ah... | Jan 25 00:18 |
| _Goblin | week after next... | Jan 25 00:18 |
| schestowitz | I can make 1st too | Jan 25 00:18 |
| _Goblin | right...I'll DM you some details.. | Jan 25 00:19 |
| schestowitz | I was gonna book a flight, but it's too much trouble... as you know, Manc is the centre of airports experiments now | Jan 25 00:19 |
| schestowitz | We have ID cards and naked scanner :-) | Jan 25 00:19 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: e-mail | Jan 25 00:19 |
| _Goblin | ok | Jan 25 00:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.wine-reviews.net/wine-reviews/bordeaux/bordeaux-200-for-solaris-and-opensolaris-released.html | Jan 25 00:21 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: Gordon uses Manc Airport as his testing arena | Jan 25 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Heck, people might as well protest against the scanners by going past them with a boner | Jan 25 00:22 |
| schestowitz | These scanners don't detect chemicals | Jan 25 00:22 |
| schestowitz | It's just for show | Jan 25 00:22 |
| schestowitz | "Look! We have very, very _high_ tech" | Jan 25 00:22 |
| _Goblin | where is your email address? | Jan 25 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Wait until they put those scanners in subways too | Jan 25 00:23 |
| _Goblin | Im being thick here...cannot see it for looking... | Jan 25 00:23 |
| schestowitz | my name at my homepage | Jan 25 00:23 |
| _Goblin | doh | Jan 25 00:24 |
| _Goblin | I am thick. | Jan 25 00:24 |
| _Goblin | yep got it now. | Jan 25 00:24 |
| schestowitz | http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.framabook.org%2Fstallman.html&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8 | Jan 25 00:24 |
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| _Goblin | email sent roy. | Jan 25 00:27 |
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| tessier__ | Looking... | Jan 25 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Jan 25 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Same as yesterday | Jan 25 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Symtpoms | Jan 25 00:28 |
| schestowitz | But I cannot restart apache | Jan 25 00:28 |
| tessier__ | yeah....I see the issue. | Jan 25 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Nice | Jan 25 00:28 |
| schestowitz | At least if we know what it is... :-) | Jan 25 00:28 |
| tessier__ | ok, back. I really need to get the proxy onto a different dedicated machine. Hopefully that can happen next weekend. I have a temporary workaround for now. | Jan 25 00:33 |
| schestowitz | THanks | Jan 25 00:34 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Albert Edwards in '05: Bernanke was the chief architect of a collapsing Ponzi scheme economy. http://bit.ly/7jpjog (via @mparent77772) | Jan 25 00:48 | |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: Charles Arthur has just mailed m | Jan 25 00:48 |
| schestowitz | re next week, give me some days to find out what's going on | Jan 25 00:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "middle classes..not benefiting at all from economic growth"; rather, inequality soars in UK, US, developed countries: http://bit.ly/7jpjog | Jan 25 00:50 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Scandal: Albert Edwards Alleges Central Banks Were Complicit In Robbing The Middle Classes | zero hedge .::. Size~: 313.67 KB | Jan 25 00:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "in the US & UK...extreme inequality could strain the fabric of society far closer to breaking point." Edwards http://bit.ly/7jpjog (Duh) | Jan 25 00:51 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Scandal: Albert Edwards Alleges Central Banks Were Complicit In Robbing The Middle Classes | zero hedge .::. Size~: 313.66 KB | Jan 25 00:51 |
| MinceR | hm, gates learned coding from code fished out of garbage cans -- maybe that's why he writes code that belongs in garbage cans :> | Jan 25 00:52 |
| schestowitz | Quotable.... | Jan 25 00:52 |
| Myfraudsoft | I don't think Gates writes code anymore | Jan 25 00:54 |
| _Goblin | charles arthur? | Jan 25 00:56 |
| Myfraudsoft | he is into GMO and patents now (Monsanto?) | Jan 25 00:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@peterdaou what scares me: consensus about Reagan's 'greatness' more widespread than ever // #Stalin is being rehabilitated in Russia | Jan 25 00:56 | |
| MinceR | well, others have learned from him, apparently | Jan 25 00:57 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: Who is Charles Arthur? | Jan 25 00:58 |
| schestowitz | Guardian editor | Jan 25 01:00 |
| schestowitz | He's not happy with being exposed | Jan 25 01:00 |
| _Goblin | ah... | Jan 25 01:00 |
| schestowitz | ANd he doesn't wish to talk about it publicly, either | Jan 25 01:00 |
| schestowitz | Myfraudsoft: whatever makes a buck | Jan 25 01:01 |
| schestowitz | As long as he can market it as "saving the world" | Jan 25 01:01 |
| _Goblin | which post of yours is he referring too? (Sorry I haven't been keeping up) | Jan 25 01:01 |
| schestowitz | 3 of them | Jan 25 01:01 |
| _Goblin | I'd say be careful....if not on a legal footing more on the resources he could use to put his point across. | Jan 25 01:02 |
| schestowitz | His defence is extremely weak | Jan 25 01:02 |
| _Goblin | at the expense of any "bad publicity" | Jan 25 01:02 |
| schestowitz | Which is why I believe he refuses to comment publicly by creating an account | Jan 25 01:03 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: nothing legal | Jan 25 01:03 |
| schestowitz | We criticised with facts | Jan 25 01:03 |
| _Goblin | no but when dealing with those people (in "power") there are many resources they can use to "challenge" you. | Jan 25 01:04 |
| _Goblin | you think covert observation is intrusive? history has shown that some news outlets are more than happy to defend their position with it. | Jan 25 01:05 |
| Myfraudsoft | schestowitz: yeah, but the mainstream media portrays gates as a philanthropist | Jan 25 01:05 |
| schestowitz | Not him, I don't think, _Goblin | Jan 25 01:05 |
| schestowitz | I actually defended him | Jan 25 01:06 |
| schestowitz | In the posts... | Jan 25 01:06 |
| schestowitz | I defend Arthur | Jan 25 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Cause he is the saner one | Jan 25 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Unlike Microsoft Jack and few others | Jan 25 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Jack has a reputation of Microsoft boosters... since years ago | Jan 25 01:06 |
| _Goblin | like I say.....be careful there. I no nothing about this chap and Im sure he's a decent fellow but who has his ear? (if anyone) | Jan 25 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Myfraudsoft: they can also portray Stalin as a humanist, it doesn't make it true | Jan 25 01:07 |
| schestowitz | Gates gives them money | Jan 25 01:07 |
| schestowitz | So to them (the media), he's whatever his PR department tells them | Jan 25 01:07 |
| _Goblin | ive mailed you btw...I am looking forward to seeing this documentary when its made. | Jan 25 01:08 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: it's publications like Guardian that get bullied by companies | Jan 25 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Not publications they bully blogs | Jan 25 01:08 |
| schestowitz | And rightly so | Jan 25 01:08 |
| schestowitz | The companies that do the ad affairs with them (that's how they bribe them) also tell them to change stories | Jan 25 01:08 |
| schestowitz | I listened to this earlier: http://www.tllts.org/audio/tllts_337-01-20-10.ogg | Jan 25 01:09 |
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| schestowitz | This dude, a CEO of a company, pressures the reviewer to change his nagative review | Jan 25 01:09 |
| schestowitz | So he's blowing the whistle on him | Jan 25 01:09 |
| ender2070__ | Stalin is NO humanist | Jan 25 01:09 |
| ender2070__ | LOL | Jan 25 01:09 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has PR bunnies like W-E to pressures journalists to print their stories | Jan 25 01:09 |
| schestowitz | Like the Vista 7 PR charade | Jan 25 01:09 |
| ender2070__ | I guess to those who favour population control, those people must revere him | Jan 25 01:09 |
| schestowitz | It's mostly fake | Jan 25 01:10 |
| schestowitz | They put half a billion in a pot and find artistic ways to bribe people | Jan 25 01:10 |
| _Goblin | what? those Windows 7 party ads wernt real? ;) | Jan 25 01:10 |
| schestowitz | free trips to Redmond, favours, prior (NDAs) access to "hot" stories, free laptops... | Jan 25 01:10 |
| schestowitz | I won't be bullies into stopping to inform people of it | Jan 25 01:10 |
| ender2070__ | there was that one guy who got a laptop w/ windows for trolling | Jan 25 01:11 |
| ender2070__ | he wrote a letter to apple i think offering them services for apple hardware | Jan 25 01:11 |
| schestowitz | Da Costa | Jan 25 01:11 |
| ender2070__ | yes | Jan 25 01:11 |
| _Goblin | lol | Jan 25 01:11 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin exposed him | Jan 25 01:11 |
| _Goblin | he's one of mine.... | Jan 25 01:11 |
| ender2070__ | grats dude | Jan 25 01:11 |
| _Goblin | although Chips did the digging and found a photo of him the offending laptop | Jan 25 01:12 |
| ender2070__ | the awesome part is that he didnt deny it, he was bragging | Jan 25 01:12 |
| _Goblin | and knew (in rumour) about it long before I went to Microsoft Watch. | Jan 25 01:12 |
| schestowitz | He seemingly vanished fro some fora after he had ben unmasked | Jan 25 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Same with others | Jan 25 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Fake journalists and stuff | Jan 25 01:12 |
| ender2070__ | probably got a call from microsoft | Jan 25 01:12 |
| schestowitz | OOXML shills | Jan 25 01:12 |
| _Goblin | adacosta is still active in twitter. | Jan 25 01:12 |
| ender2070__ | "shut up or we'll sue you and take the laptop back" | Jan 25 01:12 |
| schestowitz | There are many more such laptops | Jan 25 01:13 |
| schestowitz | They also pay people to twit | Jan 25 01:13 |
| schestowitz | And to play /. | Jan 25 01:13 |
| schestowitz | And Digg | Jan 25 01:13 |
| schestowitz | I found a press release about it | Jan 25 01:13 |
| schestowitz | They contract people to do this | Jan 25 01:13 |
| schestowitz | It's criminal | Jan 25 01:13 |
| ender2070__ | if they live outside the US, theres not much that can be done about it | Jan 25 01:14 |
| schestowitz | But then again, in the land of George W Bush, laws are loose | Jan 25 01:14 |
| ender2070__ | they are exempt from astroturfing laws | Jan 25 01:14 |
| schestowitz | It's OK as long as you make money!! | Jan 25 01:14 |
| schestowitz | FTC | Jan 25 01:14 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is still a criminal companies | Jan 25 01:14 |
| schestowitz | I have some posts t work on soon | Jan 25 01:14 |
| schestowitz | There's lots more to expose this week, but I will have little spare time | Jan 25 01:15 |
| ender2070__ | politics | Jan 25 01:15 |
| ender2070__ | break the word in half, poly = many, tics = blood sucking insects | Jan 25 01:15 |
| schestowitz | The Net Applications Big Lie keeps spreading | Jan 25 01:15 |
| schestowitz | It's like an illness | Jan 25 01:15 |
| schestowitz | War is peace | Jan 25 01:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/187509/eu_says_ok_to_oraclesun_rambussamsung_deal.html | Jan 25 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | ender2070__: politicians will always be corrupt | Jan 25 01:16 |
| schestowitz | No matter the type of system | Jan 25 01:16 |
| ender2070__ | net applications survey is based upon those who use net applications - which a majority of people don't | Jan 25 01:16 |
| schestowitz | Some can be more corrupt, some less | Jan 25 01:16 |
| schestowitz | Some more corruptible, some immune | Jan 25 01:16 |
| schestowitz | But if people did not fight back, then we'd lose power altother | Jan 25 01:16 |
| ender2070__ | I heard of the new US precedent, allows congress people to accept any money they want from lobbyists, no accountability | Jan 25 01:17 |
| schestowitz | All throughout history it has been like that | Jan 25 01:17 |
| schestowitz | In Brazil there is still a lot of slavery | Jan 25 01:17 |
| schestowitz | At least they do well at software | Jan 25 01:17 |
| ender2070__ | slavery is worldwide | Jan 25 01:17 |
| schestowitz | Portugal was one of the biggest opposer to abolishment of slavery | Jan 25 01:17 |
| schestowitz | Watch what their presidents does not | Jan 25 01:17 |
| schestowitz | *now | Jan 25 01:17 |
| schestowitz | In bed with BIlG and his cronies | Jan 25 01:17 |
| ender2070__ | just depends on your mindset, if you consider yourself a slave or not | Jan 25 01:17 |
| schestowitz | ender2070__: surprisingly, Obama went against the Supreme Court against that decision on lobbribes | Jan 25 01:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Beautiful *colour* pictures of #Russia, 100 years ago: http://www.museum.ru/1812/Memorial/PG/colorpg_3.html #photography | Jan 25 01:18 | |
| ender2070__ | schestowitz - i think overall obama isn't too bad | Jan 25 01:18 |
| ender2070__ | schestowitz - he may have been concerned with lobbribes if congress ever got replaced with mostly republicans | Jan 25 01:19 |
| ender2070__ | bah its all a circus anyways | Jan 25 01:20 |
| schestowitz | He's not as bad as the predecessor | Jan 25 01:20 |
| schestowitz | I never said he was | Jan 25 01:20 |
| ender2070__ | yeah | Jan 25 01:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "if they can spend all the money they want..they will implant legislators of their choice in every office"(DUH) http://j.mp/8AUCl4 via Ebert | Jan 25 01:20 | |
| ender2070__ | well, my toes do a better job than Bush | Jan 25 01:20 |
| schestowitz | Neo-cons are murder | Jan 25 01:20 |
| ender2070__ | they can hold a book right side up | Jan 25 01:21 |
| Myfraudsoft | schestowitz: how big is FOSS in Brazil anyway? | Jan 25 01:22 |
| ender2070__ | however it doesnt really matter who is in power because the UN drafts up a lot of the laws they approve anyways | Jan 25 01:22 |
| schestowitz | Myfraudsoft: maybe ovr 10% | Jan 25 01:22 |
| schestowitz | That's what people from Brazil told me | Jan 25 01:23 |
| Myfraudsoft | I've seen figures as high as 20% for GNU/Linux desktop installations but I'm not sure | Jan 25 01:23 |
| schestowitz | Depends how it's measures and what device class/dual-boot/etc | Jan 25 01:23 |
| schestowitz | Myfraudsoft: but they don't matter | Jan 25 01:23 |
| schestowitz | Only the West matters | Jan 25 01:24 |
| schestowitz | When it comes to search, xbox, etc. | Jan 25 01:24 |
| schestowitz | West, West, West... | Jan 25 01:24 |
| schestowitz | China? | Jan 25 01:24 |
| Myfraudsoft | why? | Jan 25 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Who cares /sarcasm | Jan 25 01:24 |
| Myfraudsoft | oh, sarcasm | Jan 25 01:24 |
| schestowitz | There's a billion of them | Jan 25 01:24 |
| ender2070__ | China is the UN's model state for the world | Jan 25 01:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Olbermann lays it out for the slow-to-uptake. http://j.mp/8AUCl4 #scotus = Disaster for conservative, liberal, ALL AMERICANS | Jan 25 01:24 | |
| schestowitz | Birth control-wise mayeb | Jan 25 01:24 |
| _Goblin | Myfraudsoft: where have I seen your handle before?.....Microsoftwatch? COLA? or somewhere else? | Jan 25 01:24 |
| Myfraudsoft | yeah, MS-watch | Jan 25 01:25 |
| ender2070__ | world socialism | Jan 25 01:25 |
| _Goblin | thought so..... | Jan 25 01:25 |
| Myfraudsoft | not COLA though | Jan 25 01:25 |
| ender2070__ | socialism is a combination of communism and capitalistic ideas | Jan 25 01:25 |
| _Goblin | nice to type to you! | Jan 25 01:25 |
| Myfraudsoft | :) | Jan 25 01:25 |
| schestowitz | ender2070__: China is a big producer | Jan 25 01:25 |
| schestowitz | If the world was a termites mound, the West would be a phat queen | Jan 25 01:26 |
| ender2070__ | China is a big producer, the worlds biggest | Jan 25 01:26 |
| ender2070__ | yet they need money to stop polluting the earth? come on | Jan 25 01:26 |
| ender2070__ | thats bs | Jan 25 01:26 |
| ender2070__ | they are lending the US money | Jan 25 01:26 |
| schestowitz | ender2070__: socialist rescues the illusion of capitalism when it collapses | Jan 25 01:26 |
| schestowitz | It's a cyclic thing | Jan 25 01:26 |
| ender2070__ | correct | Jan 25 01:27 |
| schestowitz | We bail out the rich whom we love so, so very much | Jan 25 01:27 |
| schestowitz | We depend on them /sarcasm | Jan 25 01:27 |
| ender2070__ | :) | Jan 25 01:27 |
| schestowitz | They give us jobs, and food... and clothes | Jan 25 01:27 |
| ender2070__ | you know what would be nice? | Jan 25 01:27 |
| schestowitz | They let us 'rent' a field on which to grow crops :-) | Jan 25 01:27 |
| ender2070__ | if there was a single country on earth, where you could own some land and not pay taxes simply for being there | Jan 25 01:27 |
| schestowitz | I recently watched a good film from Berkeley about the farms | Jan 25 01:28 |
| schestowitz | Also in Mongolia | Jan 25 01:28 |
| schestowitz | They privatise more of nature | Jan 25 01:28 |
| ender2070__ | the UN is taking away peoples farms, reason? carbon sinks | Jan 25 01:28 |
| schestowitz | They lease it to farmer who go bankrupt and hand it over to mechanised food production that's harmful | Jan 25 01:28 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if I can find that again....... | Jan 25 01:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2256634/realnetworks-joins-patch-parade | Jan 25 01:28 |
| schestowitz | ender2070__: Africa is very inhibitable | Jan 25 01:29 |
| schestowitz | The seed of humanity | Jan 25 01:29 |
| schestowitz | Central Africa | Jan 25 01:29 |
| ender2070__ | Iraq | Jan 25 01:29 |
| ender2070__ | actually | Jan 25 01:29 |
| schestowitz | Although I think the first ones are from around Ethiopia | Jan 25 01:29 |
| schestowitz | ender2070__: no | Jan 25 01:29 |
| ender2070__ | Sumeria | Jan 25 01:29 |
| schestowitz | That's civilised humanity | Jan 25 01:29 |
| ender2070__ | ohhh right | Jan 25 01:29 |
| schestowitz | They migrated | Jan 25 01:30 |
| schestowitz | Later to India | Jan 25 01:30 |
| Myfraudsoft | regarding small farms bankcrupcy...Monsanto plays a role there | Jan 25 01:30 |
| schestowitz | Where they domesticated elephants | Jan 25 01:30 |
| schestowitz | Mon SANTA! | Jan 25 01:30 |
| schestowitz | Kids like Mon santa! | Jan 25 01:30 |
| ender2070__ | lol | Jan 25 01:30 |
| Myfraudsoft | Mon-satan | Jan 25 01:30 |
| schestowitz | What a name they chose... geez | Jan 25 01:30 |
| schestowitz | Micro=small | Jan 25 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Soft | Jan 25 01:31 |
| schestowitz | In reality | Jan 25 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Theft | Jan 25 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Bullying | Jan 25 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Bribes | Jan 25 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Corruption | Jan 25 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Etc. | Jan 25 01:31 |
| schestowitz | "We're just micro-and-soft" | Jan 25 01:31 |
| schestowitz | "Leave us aloneee..." | Jan 25 01:31 |
| Myfraudsoft | perception management | Jan 25 01:31 |
| schestowitz | [sez gentle man in sweater] | Jan 25 01:31 |
| schestowitz | The guy who calls for "Jihads" against rivals | Jan 25 01:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.military-technologies.net/2010/01/23/montavista-software-selected-by-bae-systems-to-power-new-artillery-and-naval-gun-systems/ | Jan 25 01:33 |
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| schestowitz | Vicious, criminal companies that kill civilians abroad to use Linux | Jan 25 01:33 |
| schestowitz | Meh. | Jan 25 01:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Lobbyists must be pissed. Supreme Court just legislated out the need for such middlemen. #scotus #fail | Jan 25 01:36 | |
| schestowitz | "Clinton denounced Chinese government censorship of the Internet. She apparently did not denounce Internet censorship in "democratic" governments such as Denmark, Australia, and soon Poland." http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-nov-feb.html#24%20January%202010%20%28Hillary%20Clinton%20takes%20stand%20on%20internet%20freedom...somewhere%20else%29 | Jan 25 01:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 Lobbyists must be pissed. Supreme Court just legislated out the need for such middlemen. #scotus #fail | Jan 25 01:39 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 oops. ought to have been RT | Jan 25 01:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/jan/21/journalist-safety-russia (Russian journalist dies after beating in police custody) | Jan 25 01:41 | |
| schestowitz | http://site.pfaw.org/site/MessageViewer?dlv_id=14581&em_id=12261.0 | Jan 25 01:41 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.opensource.org/node/500 | Jan 25 01:44 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@diveintomark Reddit asks "how many of u have ever seen a floppy disk" & suddenly I feel so very, very old /wait till: "used a punch card" | Jan 25 01:45 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/The-H-Week-Microsoft-holes-and-the-Oracle-Sun-deal-closes-911589.html | Jan 25 01:51 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The H Week - Microsoft holes and the Oracle/Sun deal closes - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 36.64 KB | Jan 25 01:51 |
| Eruaran | " the Supreme Court ruled 5-4 that Congress has no constitutional authority to regulate corporations' influence on elections" - Yikes! | Jan 25 01:52 |
| Eruaran | Gives a whole new meaning to a phrase like, "corporate America" | Jan 25 01:53 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: yes, I have 3 links about it coming | Jan 25 01:56 |
| schestowitz | In the Daily Links | Jan 25 01:57 |
| schestowitz | They just made it more official that it's legal now... | Jan 25 01:57 |
| schestowitz | Lobbyists as middlemen may not longer be as necessary | Jan 25 01:57 |
| schestowitz | The electors will be corporations, not people | Jan 25 01:57 |
| schestowitz | They can limit who's eligible for campaigns and who is electable | Jan 25 01:57 |
| schestowitz | Obama had about $2bn invested in him to get elected | Jan 25 01:58 |
| schestowitz | Big Banks were among his funders... not lobbyists... he pretended not to be paid by companies, but the Microsoft executives too bribed him | Jan 25 01:58 |
| oiaohm | Most countires without backing of companies you don't have the advertising power to get into goverment. | Jan 25 01:59 |
| oiaohm | Lack of laws controlling advertising have caused this problem. | Jan 25 02:00 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] A society that tortures & kills those placed entirely in its power&passes this fact by...is plunging into the dark side http://bit.ly/4IkoHO | Jan 25 02:02 | |
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| oiaohm | http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=1663&tag=content;col1 Another case of zdnet doing damage control for MS. | Jan 25 02:08 |
| oiaohm | The facts don't support doing damage control on it. Leaving reported bugs un patched for months is only asking for trouble. | Jan 25 02:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] So basically, in this new order, Corporations are what we once called Political Parties. #scotus #fail | Jan 25 02:09 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] I short-circuited a bunch of thinking there, but do you dig. | Jan 25 02:09 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: Bott *IS* Microsoft | Jan 25 02:13 |
| schestowitz | An extension of them | Jan 25 02:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@RiahLahren Is Denmark a country // google it ; or was that rhetorical? | Jan 25 02:13 | |
| oiaohm | And they are also panic mercents as well. We still have about 10 years before ipv4 will reach critical. | Jan 25 02:14 |
| oiaohm | Even then there are other solutions. | Jan 25 02:14 |
| oiaohm | Ie proxies. | Jan 25 02:14 |
| oiaohm | http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-385195.html?tag=content;col1 | Jan 25 02:16 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: IPv4 address shortage reaching critical stage | Tech News on ZDNet .::. Size~: 86.53 KB | Jan 25 02:16 |
| oiaohm | Really how many companies need there own IP address. | Jan 25 02:16 |
| oiaohm | IPv6 does not address the network back bone problems. | Jan 25 02:17 |
| oiaohm | proxies/load blancers. | Jan 25 02:19 |
| oiaohm | ISP's could sell a virtual server redirects for a long time with cache on it so reducing traffic. | Jan 25 02:19 |
| ender2070__ | LOL | Jan 25 02:20 |
| ender2070__ | guess who said this: | Jan 25 02:20 |
| ender2070__ | What is your favorite system of government? | Jan 25 02:20 |
| ender2070__ | Me, as "Benevolent Despot for Life". Failing that, oligarchy, as long as I'm one of the few. | Jan 25 02:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "Representation *is* the essence of #programming." Fred Brooks http://gigamonkeys.com/book/numbers-characters-and-strings.html #lisp | Jan 25 02:21 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@RiahLahren parts of Vermont, Texas, Alaska, Quebec want to be. :) | Jan 25 02:22 | |
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| schestowitz | > Hey Roy, | Jan 25 02:33 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 25 02:33 |
| schestowitz | > Just a _thought_ about Microsoft and vendor lock-in. In South Korea, | Jan 25 02:33 |
| schestowitz | > everyone uses Windows and everything is written for Internet Explorer. | Jan 25 02:33 |
| schestowitz | > As far as my Korean friends tell me, even banks use ActiveX for | Jan 25 02:33 |
| schestowitz | > Internet banking! While China has lots of sites which might be | Jan 25 02:33 |
| schestowitz | > designed for IE only (as you mention in "But China Remains Stuck"), in | Jan 25 02:33 |
| schestowitz | > Korea there's no other choice. If you want to browse the web in Korea, | Jan 25 02:33 |
| schestowitz | > you pretty much must use Internet Explorer and Windows. Macs are not | Jan 25 02:33 |
| schestowitz | > popular there for this reason. | Jan 25 02:33 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I've found about 5 articles about in over the past 2 years. | Jan 25 02:33 |
| satipera | A few weeks ago I complained to the Guardian for making infomercials as pointed out by BN. | Jan 25 02:33 |
| schestowitz | Jan 25 02:33 | |
| schestowitz | > I don't have any specific examples, but this sort of thing might be | Jan 25 02:33 |
| schestowitz | > worth looking into. I'm certain that North Korea would have been | Jan 25 02:33 |
| schestowitz | > having a super time over the last few decades, cracking into South | Jan 25 02:33 |
| schestowitz | > Korean computers! | Jan 25 02:33 |
| schestowitz | Well, the communists use Linux :-) | Jan 25 02:33 |
| schestowitz | The US has a vast number of military bases in Korea (and I mean VAST). | Jan 25 02:33 |
| schestowitz | satipera: did you see what I said about them earlier? | Jan 25 02:34 |
| schestowitz | Their main/only tech editor is taking in into personal mail to tell me off, which I didn't appreciate because his points are bunk. If he doesn't like this publicity, he should try harder with his stuff. He's actually the OK guy, the Microsoft fans beneath him cause a lot of trouble, esp. Jack. | Jan 25 02:35 |
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| schestowitz | I'm gonna post some daily links........ | Jan 25 02:35 |
| satipera | today I had an email from the Guardian (Special.Sections.Mail@guardian.co.uk) saying... | Jan 25 02:37 |
| tessier__ | schestowitz: Vast? How many? | Jan 25 02:37 |
| schestowitz | Maybe 50? | Jan 25 02:39 |
| schestowitz | I must be remembering wrong | Jan 25 02:39 |
| schestowitz | Maybe 20 | Jan 25 02:39 |
| schestowitz | I could look it up | Jan 25 02:39 |
| satipera | "that post and the associated ones are the biggest load of nonsense I've seen on the web for quite a while." but the email is not signed you might want to take it up with them, or you might not. | Jan 25 02:39 |
| schestowitz | But it's in video from a history professor who worked with the defence people | Jan 25 02:39 |
| schestowitz | tessier__: the total in the world is over 700 (outside the US, official #) and in reality it's claimed over 1,000 exist, some disguised as something elese | Jan 25 02:41 |
| schestowitz | *Else (like RAF bases) | Jan 25 02:41 |
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| tessier__ | Seems unlikely to me. | Jan 25 02:50 |
| tessier__ | Maybe they are counting every embassy and consulate. | Jan 25 02:50 |
| schestowitz | Maybe | Jan 25 02:51 |
| tessier__ | Having spent time at the consulate in HCMC I can say it is hardly a "base". There are a few marines guarding the entrance and that's it. | Jan 25 02:51 |
| schestowitz | But it's very dense there | Jan 25 02:51 |
| tessier__ | dense where? | Jan 25 02:51 |
| schestowitz | I could find the sources for you, it's not disputable really, I just can't recall the numbers | Jan 25 02:51 |
| schestowitz | tessier__: in Korea | Jan 25 02:51 |
| schestowitz | Tiny place | Jan 25 02:51 |
| schestowitz | Many bases | Jan 25 02:51 |
| tessier__ | I bet they count every Korean base as a US base. | Jan 25 02:52 |
| schestowitz | It's a UC professional who spoke about it and I saw it in other places too... same numbers | Jan 25 02:52 |
| schestowitz | tessier__: maybe, but that would be an odd count | Jan 25 02:52 |
| tessier__ | All from the same source? | Jan 25 02:52 |
| tessier__ | After the Cold War the US really scaled back. | Jan 25 02:52 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 25 02:54 |
| schestowitz | Maybe those bases are mostly vacant | Jan 25 02:54 |
| schestowitz | But I don't trust lousy sources | Jan 25 02:55 |
| schestowitz | I think you can find the numbers in fairly official sources like .gov | Jan 25 02:55 |
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| tessier__ | We would have to negotiate a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) for each of those bases. | Jan 25 02:55 |
| schestowitz | Think about the military budget | Jan 25 02:55 |
| tessier__ | It's much smaller than it used to be. | Jan 25 02:55 |
| schestowitz | The part of it that's not concealed by admission | Jan 25 02:55 |
| schestowitz | I hope so | Jan 25 02:55 |
| schestowitz | It's a lot of excesss workforce | Jan 25 02:56 |
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| schestowitz | Like the SOviets burning themselves from within by industrialising to refine plutonium or whatever | Jan 25 02:56 |
| schestowitz | The military is indutralised | Jan 25 02:57 |
| schestowitz | Like a company | Jan 25 02:57 |
| schestowitz | Many of them | Jan 25 02:57 |
| schestowitz | Lockheed.... the mercenaries... | Jan 25 02:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @schestowitz I guess @ joanwalsh prefers to tweet ball game than think about Gates cabal running the HuffPo | Jan 25 02:58 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 I saw an article ~4 hours ago in El Reg saying that this was lobbying seedeed in HuffPo (it said so) | Jan 25 03:01 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 however, the seeding was also done by a public talk he gave, which the placement was based on IMHO | Jan 25 03:01 | |
| satipera | 0........ | Jan 25 03:04 |
| satipera | Roy, what on earth are you doing up at this hour? | Jan 25 03:05 |
| satipera | i assumed the americas took over in the small hours | Jan 25 03:06 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @RWRenfrew all-spin interview w/sweat lodge organiser James Arthur Ray http://bit.ly/6FYtjG //he still hopes to pull an OJ. Greed kills. | Jan 25 03:15 | |
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| schestowitz | satipera: my sleeping hours vary :-) | Jan 25 03:21 |
| *_Goblin has quit ("Lost terminal") | Jan 25 03:21 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "I’m not really putting energies&attention on..teaching & my..business or anything of that nature"=James Ray busy trying to keep out of jail | Jan 25 03:26 | |
| schestowitz | tessier__: 725 military bases | Jan 25 03:26 |
| schestowitz | src: < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgnKZ5UgYS0 > | Jan 25 03:26 |
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| schestowitz | tessier__: 101 military bases on Korea, he says | Jan 25 03:27 |
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| ender2070 | chavez said us used an earthquake weapon on haiti - http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=116688§ionid=351020704 | Jan 25 03:33 |
| ender2070 | US used* | Jan 25 03:33 |
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| schestowitz | ender2070: rnb says he didn't say so | Jan 25 03:34 |
| schestowitz | A Russian paper said he said so | Jan 25 03:34 |
| schestowitz | rnb: ping | Jan 25 03:34 |
| ender2070 | Former US Secretary of Defense William Cohen in 1997 expressed concerned over countries engaging "in eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves." | Jan 25 03:35 |
| ender2070 | interesting | Jan 25 03:35 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he did say it, but given the distortions that I saw about him, I can't trust without verification | Jan 25 03:35 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: yes, it's illegal to use weapons that change climate | Jan 25 03:36 |
| schestowitz | But it's not as though law and Geneva conventions are honoured during war | Jan 25 03:36 |
| ender2070 | the weather warfare treaty | Jan 25 03:36 |
| ender2070 | the problem is - how do you prove it, especially when everyone is screaming "climate change" | Jan 25 03:37 |
| ender2070 | then you have pat robertson "THEY MADE A PACT... WITH THE DEVIL!" | Jan 25 03:37 |
| ender2070 | <schestowitz> A Russian paper said he said so | Jan 25 03:41 |
| ender2070 | he quoted a russian report he received | Jan 25 03:41 |
| tessier__ | ender2070: Chavez is a total nutter | Jan 25 03:41 |
| tessier__ | ender2070: Although it isn't clear to me whether he said it or one of his ministers etc. said it. | Jan 25 03:41 |
| ender2070 | the UN doesn't have a treaty against using weather control for military purposes, if it didnt exist | Jan 25 03:42 |
| tessier__ | heh | Jan 25 03:42 |
| ender2070 | western companies use him as a bad guy in video games | Jan 25 03:43 |
| ender2070 | which is when I first heard of him earlier | Jan 25 03:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "La La Land" looks worth watching http://bit.ly/5XUxK0 #movies | Jan 25 03:43 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Microsoft exec begs for customised law in HuffPo op-ed &press release http://bit.ly/4pzLxe Just buy the damn Law already (via @schestowitz) | Jan 25 03:53 | |
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| schestowitz | tessier__: akismet can't be reached | Jan 25 03:54 |
| schestowitz | Might there be some different server config since about 1 hour ago? | Jan 25 03:54 |
| schestowitz | "A DNS problem or firewall is preventing all access from your web server to Akismet.com. Akismet cannot work correctly until this is fixed. Please contact your web host or firewall administrator and give them this information about Akismet and firewalls." | Jan 25 03:55 |
| schestowitz | We had this issue twice before, not sure how it was resolved... | Jan 25 03:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Bad governments love big storage http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/?p=766 #fisa #china #nsa #fbi #wiretapping // and I like a bold headline | Jan 25 03:59 | |
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| schestowitz | tessier__: it seems like there is no DNS | Jan 25 04:00 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Person Explains Why #GNU #Linux is Better and Another Explains How It's Different http://ur1.ca/klte http://ur1.ca/kltf | Jan 25 04:31 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] If poor people had equal political clout (contra oligarchy)... they might make laws in favour of poor people! No wonder the elite is scared. | Jan 25 04:31 | |
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| schestowitz | Hmm...... DNS is still down... tessier , are you around? | Jan 25 04:32 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] The thing is broken on every level: 2 parties=broken. Lobby system=broken. #SCOTUS decsn=broken. Mil/ind oligarchy=broken. Where's the exit? | Jan 25 04:32 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Replaces Dead #Router http://blog.eracc.com/2010/01/23/gnulinux-replacing-a-dead-router-with-a-linux-system/ | Jan 25 04:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "I want to escape from the eternal push&rattle of time into the coolness & poise of a work of art" Iris Murdoch letters http://bit.ly/7LGUqr | Jan 25 04:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Buying a #GNU #Linux Desktop/Laptop Just Got Easier http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/42647 | Jan 25 04:41 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] On same Times page, Sarah Palin's death's head stares. I'm sure Palin, like Iris, often craves escape into "coolness&poise of a work of art" | Jan 25 04:41 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IBM Plays #GNU #Linux Servers Versus Microsoft's Windows http://ur1.ca/klu0 http://ur1.ca/klu4 http://ur1.ca/klu5 | Jan 25 04:43 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Or maybe not. | Jan 25 04:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at Recent #KDE Developer Sprint, Eyes on #FogComputing http://ur1.ca/klu9 http://ur1.ca/klua | Jan 25 04:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More New Distributions of #GNU #Linux Just Scripts Away http://ur1.ca/klun | Jan 25 04:54 | |
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| schestowitz | "@aseigo don't be discouraged by Carla's remarks. As an advanced, longtime user of #KDE I love version 4" | Jan 25 04:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Elizabeth Wilmshurst: only #UK official to resign before #iraq; she, Wood, Goldsmith tell Chilcott invasion was illegal http://bit.ly/61MxY0 | Jan 25 04:56 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Slackware 13 and a Switch to #ArchLinux http://ur1.ca/klur http://ur1.ca/klus | Jan 25 04:57 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Debian #GNU #Linux on Ancient Box (120Mhz) http://ur1.ca/klv5 http://ur1.ca/klv6 | Jan 25 04:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at the Next Version of #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Impresses http://ur1.ca/klvd http://ur1.ca/klve | Jan 25 05:00 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Ubuntu User Day, #Ubuntu Weekly, Interview http://ur1.ca/klvj http://ur1.ca/klvk http://ur1.ca/kkv0 | Jan 25 05:03 | |
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| schestowitz | http://test.org | Jan 25 05:05 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] MS exec on Intel chip engineers '02: "it is a crime that these guys are running #Linux &..a shame that we can't get them to move to Windows" | Jan 25 05:06 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Same exec: 'unless it is a top-down initiative at Intel to "just make this happen", this will not get traction' http://bit.ly/6NIWKK | Jan 25 05:07 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 source? | Jan 25 05:08 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'Intel ran a EDA migration project..in early 99, to move to NT4..got badly burned on this..recommended..Linux instead' http://bit.ly/6NIWKK | Jan 25 05:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Makes Its Way Into More Servers http://ur1.ca/klw9 http://ur1.ca/klwa | Jan 25 05:09 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Emperor @BillGates, referring to plan to get Intel EDA off Linux and on Windows: "Where are we on this Jihad?" http://bit.ly/6NIWKK | Jan 25 05:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/12/bill-gates-jihad-vs-linux/ | Jan 25 05:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Hm, why not let the customer decide what platform they prefer? Intel was very happy w/ Linux/Unix for core engineering. http://bit.ly/6NIWKK | Jan 25 05:11 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Bill Gates: “Where Are We on This Jihad?” (Against Linux at Intel) | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 128.89 KB | Jan 25 05:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Gates: "Do I need to be calling and emailing Ottelini to get this back on tract??" [sic] http://bit.ly/6NIWKK Engineers didn't want #Windows | Jan 25 05:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Variants of #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Appear http://ur1.ca/klwg http://ur1.ca/klwh | Jan 25 05:13 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] MS exec: "at #Intel, the developer crowd was raised on Unix/Linux. They just don't WANT to move ... may be an area that Otellini could help" | Jan 25 05:14 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of #iStorage DiskGenie from a #GNU #Linux User http://reddevil62-techhead.blogspot.com/2010/01/stuff-that-works-with-linux-4.html | Jan 25 05:15 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] MS exec: "If we don't get #Intel off of #Linux internally-we'll never get the *cultural* alignment that we want. ..." | Jan 25 05:19 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "...There are simply too many folks at Intel who use/love the stuff and want to improve it. We can *not* stop trying to win this project." | Jan 25 05:20 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Phones Coming from Sony http://katonda.com/product-watch/sonys-first-linux-phone/603/2010 | Jan 25 05:24 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @schestowitz gotcha, thanks | Jan 25 05:24 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android / #Linux Gains Serious Traction, Windows Drops Four-fold in Ads http://ur1.ca/klwx http://ur1.ca/klwy | Jan 25 05:25 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] ugh. always feel so sullied after reading #microsoft internal email. bunch of chefs debating how to cook babies. /me goes to wash hands | Jan 25 05:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 Boycott Novell made it into the press with this story one year ago | Jan 25 05:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Moves to #FreeSoftware in Government of New Zealand, US Opens Up http://ur1.ca/klx3 http://ur1.ca/klx4 | Jan 25 05:28 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @schestowitz right. just stumbled on it via PJ's latest Comes piece. | Jan 25 05:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nouveau #KMS Support and #OpenSolaris Support http://ur1.ca/klx6 http://ur1.ca/klx7 #linux oracle | Jan 25 05:29 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSF Expands Windows Awareness Campaign, #GPL Hailed http://ur1.ca/klx9 http://ur1.ca/klxa | Jan 25 05:31 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Sub-notebooks and ARM: Best is Yet to Come http://ur1.ca/klxe http://ur1.ca/klxg | Jan 25 05:33 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] '#Microsoft is winning in evangelism by carefully outplacing executives who push their platforms from the top down' http://bit.ly/8W4xme | Jan 25 05:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GIMP 2.8 to Comes This Year with Single-Windows Mode http://ur1.ca/klxk http://ur1.ca/klxl | Jan 25 05:34 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Why doesn't #China steal+copy #Apple's designs? Because "they don't use Windows at Apple, or people who need #Windows" http://bit.ly/8W4xme | Jan 25 05:35 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware for #FogComputing Gains Popularity http://ur1.ca/klxu http://ur1.ca/klxv | Jan 25 05:38 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Eucalyptus Downloads On The Rise -- Cloud computing -- InformationWeek .::. Size~: 80.23 KB | Jan 25 05:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 search for Intel in Botcott Novell's Wiki. That's just one among several. | Jan 25 05:39 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @salleegal @Philanthropy Bill Gates Calls for New Innovative Ideas to Fuck things up even more than he has already http://twurl.nl/w01sa1 | Jan 25 05:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #FreeSoftware Releases: Parrot, #GNU SIP Witch, #icecat http://ur1.ca/kly0 http://ur1.ca/kly1 http://ur1.ca/kly2 | Jan 25 05:40 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @schestowitz Gotta watch the old ticker. Besides I'm procrastinating some actual coding. | Jan 25 05:42 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 coding won't save us when there's crime | Jan 25 05:43 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Ethical/green banks in #Ontario - this page says Vancity or Desjardins. other suggestions? http://climatefriendlybanking.com/switch_banks/ | Jan 25 05:46 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #sourceforge now blocking downloads from US embargo countries. http://bit.ly/4YjTDW Open source community: Move your stuff off Sourceforge. | Jan 25 05:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 I'm a coder myself, what do you think got me into advocacy? | Jan 25 05:52 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 yes, @glymoody thought Sourceforge was just being suppressive | Jan 25 05:52 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] USA lectures #China on "net freedom" while other hand blocks access to free software (not even US product) http://bit.ly/4YjTDW #sourceforge | Jan 25 05:53 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla Remarks on the Need for #Ogg in #HTML5 http://shaver.off.net/diary/2010/01/23/html5-video-and-codecs/ | Jan 25 05:54 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @schestowitz your point is well taken, but I know about the crimes. Reading about them doesn't achieve any more than doing real work :) | Jan 25 05:54 | |
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| Ender2070 | cubezzz - you there? | Jan 25 05:56 |
| Ender2070 | cubezzz - you might be interested in this: http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/bra/sys/1568825037.html | Jan 25 05:56 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BBC Enters the Dark Side and Punished #FreeSoftware Using #DRM http://ur1.ca/klyo | Jan 25 05:57 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 I have friends who move to #Linux only after being educatd about these crime | Jan 25 05:58 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @schestowitz Your friends are smart. :) | Jan 25 05:59 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA Shows It's Just a Secretive Conspiracy, #Obama Support #MAFIAA http://ur1.ca/klyr http://ur1.ca/klys | Jan 25 05:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Like most other things, Stan Lem prefigured the coming era of robot-vs-robot warfare in his masterpiece "Peace on Earth". UAV-vs-UAV #books | Jan 25 06:00 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Now I am craving some Lem. Fiasco? another masterpiece. #books ...currently reading Thomas Disch, Camp Concentration. We shall see. | Jan 25 06:02 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@twitter I want my autocomplete on nicks #kthxbai / shall I just freakin code it for you? | Jan 25 06:05 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Make failure your teacher, not your undertaker. Ziglar #quote #humor RT @anthonystevens4 @paulvharris @AskAaronLee @ProfS | Jan 25 07:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I'm participating in the #UbuntuDeveloperWeek ! It's awesome!! :-D Don't miss it! http://tinyurl.com/afxfjt | Jan 25 09:54 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I'm participating in the #UbuntuDeveloperWeek ! It's awesome!! :-D Don't miss it! http://tinyurl.com/afxfjt | Jan 25 09:55 | |
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| mikeyc | hey roy | Jan 25 10:19 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Back to work after a weekend of headaches. | Jan 25 10:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Task Manager on Android (HTC Hero) phone is handy app. Found a couple of apps running/installed that I dont use anymore. Uninstalling.. #fb | Jan 25 10:35 | |
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| schestowitz | HEy, mikeyc | Jan 25 10:45 |
| mikeyc | hey roy whats new, have been in the gym | Jan 25 10:46 |
| mikeyc | have you been in the gym | Jan 25 10:46 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Jan 25 10:50 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] RT @jwildeboer "NZ school ditches MSFT and goes totally Open Source" - http://is.gd/6Ztaq | Jan 25 10:56 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: NZ school ditches Microsoft and goes totally open source - education, Linux, linux.conf.au, Microsoft - CIO .::. Size~: 106.7 KB | Jan 25 10:56 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: have a listen to this interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlX8eQWmL20&feature=related | Jan 25 11:01 |
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| mikeyc | listened | Jan 25 11:14 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: I'll flying down to London next week | Jan 25 11:15 |
| schestowitz | First time in a few years | Jan 25 11:16 |
| oiaohm | http://katonda.com/product-watch/sonys-first-linux-phone/603/2010 | Jan 25 11:32 |
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| mikeyc | how come you are flying down. oh btw. i have a first class train ticket which was bought in error, it is frm manchester to london on sunday the 21st feb at 2pm would it be of any use to you? | Jan 25 11:37 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, I saw that | Jan 25 11:41 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: not on these dates, no... | Jan 25 11:41 |
| schestowitz | But thanks | Jan 25 11:41 |
| oiaohm | http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2010-01/msg00316.html Open Source handling of opps we broke a licence | Jan 25 11:45 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] $180,000,000 in #Microsoft #Crime Money Comes to Iowa (and Memories of $700,000,000+ #RealNetworks Settlement) http://ur1.ca/kmg3 | Jan 25 11:45 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: $180,000,000 in Microsoft Crime Money Comes to Iowa (and Memories of $700,000,000+ RealNetworks Settlement) | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 104.25 KB | Jan 25 11:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Please Retweet and Sign this Petition 'Make YouTube use open media codecs' - http://301.to/fwz | Jan 25 11:47 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Make YouTube use open media codecs - Petition Spot .::. Size~: 51.93 KB | Jan 25 11:47 |
| Eruaran | Oh... apparently I have already signed the petition | Jan 25 11:50 |
| oiaohm | Really we need to push for patents on media to be voided. | Jan 25 11:53 |
| schestowitz | Not on media :-) | Jan 25 12:03 |
| schestowitz | On media containment | Jan 25 12:03 |
| schestowitz | If I want to watch a video, I need to pay for the video | Jan 25 12:03 |
| schestowitz | Not the format it's stuck in | Jan 25 12:03 |
| oiaohm | What annoys me most you are not allowed to patent encryption maths yet call it a video format and you are in business. | Jan 25 12:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft gives non-Free (proprietary) software to community agencies (nonprofits) and calls it a donation http://ur1.ca/kmgx | Jan 25 12:07 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @omar_s_hafez Please Retweet and Sign this Petition 'Make YouTube use open media codecs' - http://301.to/fwz | Jan 25 12:07 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Dear Microsoft: Software is Not a Donation | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 99.64 KB | Jan 25 12:07 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Mozilla-defends-Firefox-s-HTML5-support-for-only-Ogg-Theora-video-912003.html Hmm | Jan 25 12:14 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Mozilla defends Firefox's HTML5 support for only Ogg Theora video - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 34.26 KB | Jan 25 12:14 |
| oiaohm | Big thing the keep on missing is ogg will fall out of patent coverage first as well. | Jan 25 12:16 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Croatian Association of #Linux Users Fights Against #Microsoft Abuse http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/25/hulk-croatia-for-free-software/ | Jan 25 12:21 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Croatian Association of GNU/Linux Users Fights Against Microsoft Abusers | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 99.52 KB | Jan 25 12:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Mozilla refuses patented and royalty bearing H264 file format, google and youtube bashing: http://i5.be/ann | Jan 25 12:23 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Mozilla defends Firefox's HTML5 support for only Ogg Theora video - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 34.26 KB | Jan 25 12:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] @schestowitz The petition looks weird. | Jan 25 12:30 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Nokia invalidates IPCom patent in the UK, looses at the European Patent Office yesterday: http://i5.be/anp | Jan 25 12:39 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: ArcelorMittal, IPCom, Bimbo: Intellectual Property (Update1) - Bloomberg.com .::. Size~: 46 KB | Jan 25 12:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The fear of the Patent Troll, video made by "General Patent Corp", an IP-licensing and enforcement organization: http://i5.be/anq | Jan 25 12:41 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.cio.com.au/article/333686/nz_school_ditches_microsoft_goes_totally_open_source | Jan 25 12:47 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: NZ school ditches Microsoft and goes totally open source - education, Linux, linux.conf.au, Microsoft - CIO .::. Size~: 111.26 KB | Jan 25 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [12:16] <oiaohm> Big thing the keep on missing is ogg will fall out of patent coverage first as well.. | Jan 25 12:47 |
| schestowitz | Ogg is OK for patents... | Jan 25 12:47 |
| oiaohm | Even against submerine patents. | Jan 25 12:47 |
| oiaohm | ie 2001 was the release date of ogg. submerine patent would have to be used before 2021 | Jan 25 12:48 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I saw that | Jan 25 12:48 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu | Jan 25 12:48 |
| oiaohm | The other google is using was released in 2003 | Jan 25 12:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @zoobab : it does | Jan 25 12:48 | |
| oiaohm | So until 2023 a submerine patent could turn up. | Jan 25 12:48 |
| oiaohm | Just because someone has decared patents does not mean submerine patents don't exist somewhere. | Jan 25 12:49 |
| oiaohm | Google using submerine patents are a reason should be beat 12 ways from sunday. | Jan 25 12:50 |
| oiaohm | Because once you start talking about them you have to be taken dates of complete patent coverage expirely. | Jan 25 12:50 |
| oiaohm | One of the funny ones recently. I have been roped into scripting a warped movie. | Jan 25 12:51 |
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| Omar87_ | Greetings all. | Jan 25 13:01 |
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| Snowcat4 | http://blogs.technet.com/security/attachment/2772991.ashx | Jan 25 13:04 |
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| schestowitz | Snowcat4: what's in it? | Jan 25 13:08 |
| schestowitz | Jones is a liar | Jan 25 13:08 |
| schestowitz | And he deletes blog comments he disagrees with | Jan 25 13:08 |
| schestowitz | Like mine...... | Jan 25 13:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/03/firefox-fud-latest/ | Jan 25 13:08 |
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| oiaohm | Annoying we will have to wait until end of year for development version of gimp to become released as stable. | Jan 25 13:10 |
| cubezzz | I don't usually comment on other people's blogs | Jan 25 13:15 |
| cubezzz | some people even advertise things on other people's blogs | Jan 25 13:16 |
| cubezzz | now I delete those as off-topic | Jan 25 13:16 |
| cubezzz | it just has nothing to do with the blog or forum | Jan 25 13:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Fights #Google with More #FUD , Lawsuits, and #Lobbying http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/25/msft-moves-against-google/ | Jan 25 13:20 | |
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| cubezzz | ok, well I've removed the last installation of doze from my computers | Jan 25 13:27 |
| mariuz | Hello :Compiz, Patents, and Ubuntu - what’s going to happen to Compiz? read the article and the response from the Only maintainer for Compiz http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/atmnr/compiz_patents_and_ubuntu_whats_going_to_happen/c0jcff5 | Jan 25 13:27 |
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| cubezzz | so don't care about IE bugs :) | Jan 25 13:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Video About Patent Trolls (from a Patent Firm) -“Ballad of the Patent Troll” http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/25/fear-of-the-patent-troll/ | Jan 25 13:27 | |
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| cubezzz | anyone ask me about IE I give succinct two word reply: | Jan 25 13:28 |
| cubezzz | "It's shit" | Jan 25 13:29 |
| cubezzz | I was just sick of how slow XP was | Jan 25 13:32 |
| cubezzz | the virus scans, the malware scans were taking longer and longer | Jan 25 13:32 |
| cubezzz | it just hit the hard drive all the time | Jan 25 13:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #UbuntuDeveloperWeek sessions will start today at 16:00 UTC/ 18:00 Amman-Jordan | Jan 25 13:34 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #UbuntuDeveloperWeek sessions will start today at 16:00 UTC/ 18:00 Amman-Jordan (More info.: http://is.gd/6ZT6n) | Jan 25 13:35 | |
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| schestowitz | mariuz: hi | Jan 25 13:56 |
| schestowitz | Yes, it's an old issue | Jan 25 13:57 |
| schestowitz | Apple the hype company is a patent nuisance | Jan 25 13:57 |
| schestowitz | lava lamp effects patents..... | Jan 25 13:58 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Takes the Axe to Another Product, Future Grim Based on #CES http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/25/mobile2market-is-dead/ | Jan 25 14:23 | |
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| mikeyc | hey roy, i listened to the link its very interesting | Jan 25 14:34 |
| mikeyc | do you think anybody will ever formally challenge the legitimacy of the fed? I mean if it's so obviously wrong how come nobody has succesfully challenged its position | Jan 25 14:35 |
| schestowitz | Too few people are aware, I guess | Jan 25 14:36 |
| mikeyc | i'm not so sure, i'm always hearing/reading articles attacking the position of the fed, quite often from very learned individuals, yet i have never heard of anyone ever legally challenging its position | Jan 25 14:38 |
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| DaemonFC | http://popup.lala.com/popup/504684637714852226 | Jan 25 14:43 |
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| DaemonFC | Weird Al got ahold of that one :P | Jan 25 14:43 |
| mikeyc | the discussion you linked likened it to a corrupt entity with the power to print money at will? Which i can understand but wouldn't every big economy have the power to print its own money and alo fraudulently given the opportunity, how does the feds position differ say from our own Royal Mint | Jan 25 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | mikeyc: That's any central bank that's a separate entity from the government | Jan 25 14:44 |
| mikeyc | surely the government in granting the fed the license to print money would have put in place regulation to prevent money from being printed willy nilly? | Jan 25 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | pretty much any major government has ended up with that | Jan 25 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | mikeyc: Nope | Jan 25 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | no audits either | Jan 25 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | it's pretty much autonomous and has a blank check from the US Treasury | Jan 25 14:45 |
| mikeyc | i've heard the no audits reference before, it just seems a little odd | Jan 25 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | minimal oversight | Jan 25 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | the US dollar is worth whatever a group of international creditors says it is | Jan 25 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | it's actually depreciating faster than domestic inflation would have you think | Jan 25 14:46 |
| mikeyc | how does the constitution deal with a private entity producing its own money at will and the american people picking up the inflationary tab? | Jan 25 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | it never said anything about it other than that Congress could regulate it | Jan 25 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | Congress did regulate it with the Federal Reserve Act | Jan 25 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | Congress always takes the loosest interpretation of the Constitution because that's the way they can gove themselves the most power | Jan 25 14:48 |
| mikeyc | and this act gave the fed a mandate to print money with no questions asked at will!!?? | Jan 25 14:48 |
| mikeyc | was it woodrow wilson? | Jan 25 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | yes, the act was written by bankers | Jan 25 14:48 |
| mikeyc | in 1913 | Jan 25 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | passed by congressmen who were bribed or threatened | Jan 25 14:48 |
| mikeyc | so can this act be challenged? | Jan 25 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | they murdered one congressman who wouldn't vote for it | Jan 25 14:49 |
| mikeyc | did kennedy oppose the fed by any chance? | Jan 25 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Thomas_McFadden | Jan 25 14:49 |
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| DaemonFC | They poisoned him | Jan 25 14:49 |
| mikeyc | jfk? | Jan 25 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | they also murdered a federal judge who ruled US dollars illegal in 1965 (I think) | Jan 25 14:50 |
| mikeyc | the world moves in very mysterious ways:) | Jan 25 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | well, there's plenty of JFK conspiracies | Jan 25 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | but a federal judge and a US congressmen who threatened the fed get whacked | Jan 25 14:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Rock and Chips was very good last night. I didn't expect much from the Only Fools and Horses spin off. Nice surprise. #bbc | Jan 25 14:50 | |
| DaemonFC | both by being poisoned | Jan 25 14:50 |
| mikeyc | i think roy should switch his target from microsoft to the fed | Jan 25 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Both? | Jan 25 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Yes | Jan 25 14:51 |
| mikeyc | we are all counting on you Roy:) | Jan 25 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | A guy sued the bank because they were going to take his home cause he was behind on his mortgage | Jan 25 14:51 |
| mikeyc | you were born to lead, the rest of us will surely follow | Jan 25 14:51 |
| schestowitz | [14:45] <DaemonFC> it's pretty much autonomous and has a blank check from the US Treasury | Jan 25 14:51 |
| schestowitz | Yes, they admit this | Jan 25 14:51 |
| schestowitz | Greenspan implicitly admitted they are above the law | Jan 25 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | the judge found that the fractional reserve system used to create dollars for lending was "illegal consideration" | Jan 25 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | and therefore US dollars are unconstitutional | Jan 25 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | in that ruling, the jury decided the man was debt free and got to keep his house | Jan 25 14:52 |
| schestowitz | The whole thing was set up like it was a conspiracy in 1913 (Well, because it was, by definition) | Jan 25 14:52 |
| mikeyc | swo would you prefer a return to the gold standard | Jan 25 14:52 |
| cubezzz | no, I don't think so | Jan 25 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | mikeyc: That might work, but it's not really bulletproof | Jan 25 14:53 |
| mikeyc | the fractional reserve system, hmm, is that where a bank can give out loans etc for a multiple of its actual deposits | Jan 25 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | demand for gold goes up and down, supply goes up and down | Jan 25 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | so it's still possible that the value of the money is manipulated by proxy | Jan 25 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | mikeyc: Yes, the bank literally counterfeits money to lend you | Jan 25 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 25 14:54 |
| mikeyc | so what would be better solution, make the fed a public entity subject to open book accounting/auditing or is it not that simple | Jan 25 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | shutting them down | Jan 25 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | absorbing their functions into the US Treasury where they belong | Jan 25 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | where things are out in the open | Jan 25 14:55 |
| mikeyc | and how would this likely come about | Jan 25 14:55 |
| mikeyc | Roy | Jan 25 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | Congress has to regulate the Treasury by public law | Jan 25 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | so it would be far less secretive | Jan 25 14:55 |
| cubezzz | weird, the some browsers tell me what version of Microsoft Office they use | Jan 25 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | mikeyc: Congress would have to pass a bill to strip the fed of its authority to manage the currency and to invest the responsibility in the Treasury | Jan 25 14:56 |
| mikeyc | economics is a fascinating subject | Jan 25 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | the president would either sign it or veto it and possibly get overridden | Jan 25 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | same as any other law | Jan 25 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | you'd probably see the dollar crash in the mean time | Jan 25 14:57 |
| mikeyc | we'd have to take our medicine | Jan 25 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | hyperinflation when we audit whats left of the fed | Jan 25 14:57 |
| mikeyc | but it would be for the greater good | Jan 25 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | figure out how worthless the money really is | Jan 25 14:57 |
| mikeyc | we could be sitting on an inflationary timebomb | Jan 25 14:58 |
| mikeyc | inflation is already starting to rise beyond expectations here in the uk | Jan 25 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | I think an appropriate way to put this, imagine inflation in post World War I Germany | Jan 25 14:58 |
| mikeyc | quantitive easing/printing | Jan 25 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | where the dollar is worth pennies | Jan 25 14:58 |
| mikeyc | or zimbabwe | Jan 25 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | that's one reason why no economist wants to shut down the fed | Jan 25 14:59 |
| mikeyc | we are not out of the woods yet by no means | Jan 25 14:59 |
| mikeyc | despite the retoric | Jan 25 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | they hide tons of dirty laundry about our money and what it's worth | Jan 25 14:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Sued Again (Class Action) Over #Xbox360 , British Airways Pulls Microsoft Into Court http://ur1.ca/kmzb | Jan 25 14:59 | |
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| DaemonFC | if the information ever got revealed, we'd be ruined | Jan 25 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | the economy is largely based on imaginary property and speculative currency | Jan 25 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | it's anything but stable | Jan 25 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | it gets a bubble now and then | Jan 25 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | that's what Obama is trying to get done, create a bubble | Jan 25 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | there's no way to grow the economy in a stable, sustainable way, and certainly not in the three years he has left | Jan 25 15:02 |
| mikeyc | in order for the debt to ever be manageable productivity/population has to keep on rising so that comparitively as the generations go by the value of the debt diminishes as more money is pumped into the economy to support the growth, ie your salary now might be 20k, in thirty years that figur might be 100k, yet still with the same buying power although any debt you had would be comparitivly smaller | Jan 25 15:02 |
| mikeyc | house prices generally double every 10 years here | Jan 25 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | mikeyc: But the population is rising, the average age is going up (less productive), and we're taking in illegal immigrants, while the number of jobs is going down by at least a million per year | Jan 25 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | so population growth is more mouths to feed with less jobs to feed them with | Jan 25 15:03 |
| mikeyc | people were gambling on their house prices rising so were incurring more debt (similar scenarion on a micro level) | Jan 25 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | eventually you're going to get to that point here in 5-6 years where there's a tidal wave of old people retiring and getting on SOcial Security | Jan 25 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | by the time they're dead, and not drawing benefits, Social Security will be wiped out | Jan 25 15:04 |
| mikeyc | i have no hope of ever drawing on my pension | Jan 25 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | it's like a hoard of locusts decimating a field of dense vegetation | Jan 25 15:05 |
| mikeyc | it probably wont buy me a mars bar when this is through | Jan 25 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | then there's the mass starvation that follows when there's nothing left and my generation has to wait 20 years to start retiring | Jan 25 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | so my generation is paying Social Security taxes so mom and dad can retire and leave us nothing | Jan 25 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | but the generation that fucked everyone over even worse was my grandparents | Jan 25 15:06 |
| mikeyc | i have money saved to theoretically laswt me a year or so, but it could easily be rendered worthless, when the tipping point is reached it'll happen very quickly indeed | Jan 25 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | or great grandparents | Jan 25 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | you know the people that got there and never paid anything in | Jan 25 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | but lived another 30 years on the system | Jan 25 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | or the people that spent 20 years not paying anything in | Jan 25 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | 25 years paying | Jan 25 15:07 |
| mikeyc | the future is bleak | Jan 25 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | then retire | Jan 25 15:07 |
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| DaemonFC | Social Security makes the promissory notes (US dollars) the fed makes up out of thin air look stable | Jan 25 15:07 |
| mikeyc | i do wonder how the uk service economy sustains itself with its lack of production | Jan 25 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't | Jan 25 15:08 |
| mikeyc | it is getting deeper and deeper into the myre | Jan 25 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | they're in as deep as we are if you look at the size of their debt and the size of their economy | Jan 25 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | Europe doesn't seem to actually make a whole lot anymore either | Jan 25 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | their bank is about like our fed, print money, assign value, no peeking | Jan 25 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | China is doing that in reverse, instead of making it look like it's worth more, they artificially depress the value | Jan 25 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | makes exports boom | Jan 25 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | eventually they can revalue it all at once | Jan 25 15:10 |
| mikeyc | the chinese may now have the upper hand | Jan 25 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | the Chinese also don't charge any taxes on businesses that export | Jan 25 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | but if a US factory does that, the WTO fucks them over | Jan 25 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | the Chinese can subsidize anything they want, as much as they want, and not get in trouble | Jan 25 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | but if the US subsidizes corn and rich, we're fucked | Jan 25 15:11 |
| mikeyc | but the fundamentals in the us are there, rich in resources, labour supply, it is just badly run, to many parasitic entities have infiltrated the system | Jan 25 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | We can't compete, not when there's one standard for the Chinese, and another standard for us | Jan 25 15:12 |
| mikeyc | well then china wins | Jan 25 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | we should withdraw from the WTO immediately and declare all treaties that authorize it void | Jan 25 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | now, before it's too late | Jan 25 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | it's like international trade it a board that's tilted 45 degrees to form a ramp | Jan 25 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | take from the US, give nothing back | Jan 25 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | we should renegotiate this or declare it void | Jan 25 15:14 |
| mikeyc | i hope you're reading this Roy | Jan 25 15:14 |
| mikeyc | your help is needed | Jan 25 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | the rules are too bent to be called fair trade | Jan 25 15:15 |
| schestowitz | [15:01] <DaemonFC> the economy is largely based on imaginary property and speculative currency | Jan 25 15:15 |
| schestowitz | +1 | Jan 25 15:15 |
| Ender2070 | cubezzz - you there? | Jan 25 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | but Venezuela can go complain that we dump corn and rice | Jan 25 15:15 |
| cubezzz | yes | Jan 25 15:15 |
| Ender2070 | cubezzz - you might be interested in this: http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/bra/sys/1568825037.html | Jan 25 15:15 |
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| Ender2070 | you said you had a p3 | Jan 25 15:15 |
| cubezzz | I do | Jan 25 15:15 |
| Ender2070 | xeon p4 $75 | Jan 25 15:15 |
| schestowitz | [15:14] <mikeyc> i hope you're reading this Roy | Jan 25 15:15 |
| schestowitz | It's not new | Jan 25 15:16 |
| Ender2070 | 3ghz | Jan 25 15:16 |
| schestowitz | And some people are already working on it | Jan 25 15:16 |
| schestowitz | Kucinich, Paul, others at higher levels | Jan 25 15:16 |
| schestowitz | I'd rather focus on what I know better | Jan 25 15:16 |
| schestowitz | You don't recruit a doctor to work as a carpenter or vice versa | Jan 25 15:16 |
| DaemonFC | in communism you might | Jan 25 15:17 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jan 25 15:17 |
| Ender2070 | or socialism | Jan 25 15:17 |
| cubezzz | interesting | Jan 25 15:17 |
| Ender2070 | cubezzz - seems to good for $75 | Jan 25 15:17 |
| Ender2070 | too* | Jan 25 15:17 |
| cubezzz | yeah :) | Jan 25 15:17 |
| mikeyc | you cut of the head of teh beast Roy and the rest (Microsoft) will fall | Jan 25 15:19 |
| schestowitz | [14:35] <mikeyc> do you think anybody will ever formally challenge the legitimacy of the fed? I mean if it's so obviously wrong how come nobody has succesfully challenged its position | Jan 25 15:20 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: don't PM, use the channel | Jan 25 15:21 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: it's beast is too big | Jan 25 15:21 |
| Ender2070 | cubezzz - when I saw it though you popped into my head, lol | Jan 25 15:21 |
| rnb | good morning | Jan 25 15:21 |
| schestowitz | Millions of people, including some powerful ones who work for Lockheed et al | Jan 25 15:21 |
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| DaemonFC | Nancy Pelosi's website is down | Jan 25 15:24 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.speaker.gov/ | Jan 25 15:24 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The litigation-ridden path followed by US in granting software and business method patents is something India must avoid: http://i5.be/anA | Jan 25 15:34 | |
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| Ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZWKXNo_vA0 | Jan 25 15:38 |
| Ender2070 | Richard Stallman w/ Alex Jones | Jan 25 15:38 |
| rnb | haha, wow.. | Jan 25 15:41 |
| Ender2070 | mercury is good for you - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZArebYZzdc&feature=related | Jan 25 15:41 |
| rnb | didnt think richard stallman would get hooked with alex jones | Jan 25 15:41 |
| rnb | "bigwig in browsers, architecture, the internet" | Jan 25 15:42 |
| rnb | :) | Jan 25 15:42 |
| Ender2070 | :) | Jan 25 15:42 |
| Ender2070 | they talk about censorship and internet | Jan 25 15:42 |
| Ender2070 | and free software :) | Jan 25 15:42 |
| rnb | it's good, although alex jones challenges the "any publicity is good publicity" maxim | Jan 25 15:43 |
| Ender2070 | heh | Jan 25 15:43 |
| rnb | "i have to correct some things, i've never worked on web browsers myself" | Jan 25 15:44 |
| Ender2070 | I listen to alex jones when my favorite researchers are on his show | Jan 25 15:44 |
| rnb | classic rms :) | Jan 25 15:44 |
| Ender2070 | other than that i dont follow him (jones) | Jan 25 15:44 |
| Ender2070 | I've heard of people finding out hes cia and has a masonic family, but im not sure so i'll remain skeptical | Jan 25 15:45 |
| Ender2070 | alan watt is probably the best one, everything he says has sources | Jan 25 15:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | who? | Jan 25 15:47 |
| Ender2070 | alan watt | Jan 25 15:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, jones | Jan 25 15:48 |
| Ender2070 | one of his books even has photocopies from masonic handbooks | Jan 25 15:48 |
| Ender2070 | Alex Jones? | Jan 25 15:48 |
| rnb | masonic conspiracies? ... | Jan 25 15:49 |
| Ender2070 | I would say they are a small part | Jan 25 15:50 |
| Ender2070 | he just used them for an example of something | Jan 25 15:50 |
| rnb | haha, see alex jones is ranting about "internet2" who has "all their own documents" and so on | Jan 25 15:51 |
| rnb | and rms is like "ummm, i dont know about that" | Jan 25 15:52 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Jan 25 15:52 |
| rnb | alex jones: "internet2, which even the new york times says will have 'less freedom' but be 'more safe', this is what's coming" | Jan 25 15:52 |
| rnb | rms: "umm" | Jan 25 15:52 |
| Ender2070 | lol internet2 | Jan 25 15:52 |
| rnb | heheheh | Jan 25 15:52 |
| Ender2070 | lots of news agencies covered it | Jan 25 15:52 |
| Ender2070 | it is a seperate network | Jan 25 15:53 |
| rnb | but this is alex jones, now imagine any specialized topic and this what happens | Jan 25 15:53 |
| Ender2070 | but i think they'll just merge it into the internet, if they haven't already | Jan 25 15:53 |
| Ender2070 | internet2 is just fancy fiber optics between universities and colleges | Jan 25 15:53 |
| rnb | yes, i dont even think he was talking about that | Jan 25 15:54 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Jan 25 15:54 |
| Ender2070 | thats why i dont follow jones | Jan 25 15:54 |
| rnb | i think he was talking about ip6 addressing | Jan 25 15:54 |
| rnb | but this is the point, alex jones doesnt really know what he's talking about | Jan 25 15:55 |
| rnb | but asserts that he does, vociferously | Jan 25 15:55 |
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| Ender2070 | alan watt is way more focused, he has his main theories and on his show he consistantly finds news articles from major media sources to back up his earlier claims | Jan 25 15:55 |
| Ender2070 | I was hearing about the economic crash back in 2007 | Jan 25 15:55 |
| rnb | yeah, but everyone was talking about that ... generally forecasting a harsh end to the bubble is easy | Jan 25 15:56 |
| rnb | it's the "when exactly will it happen" part that is much harder (and can make you rich) | Jan 25 15:56 |
| Ender2070 | the thing about that is that people wrote about it over 50 years ago | Jan 25 15:56 |
| Ender2070 | among other things | Jan 25 15:57 |
| rnb | hm? wrote about what? | Jan 25 15:57 |
| Ender2070 | its a little hard to cover it all, but they wrote quite a bit | Jan 25 15:58 |
| Ender2070 | population control and a big brother type of system are just some of the topics | Jan 25 15:58 |
| Ender2070 | the same people who helped get the UN running | Jan 25 15:59 |
| Ender2070 | Lord Bertrand Russell (The Impact of Science on Society - 1952) | Jan 25 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Midmarket/Judge-Reduces-Minn-Womans-2-Million-RIAA-Copyright-Fine-127569/ | Jan 25 15:59 |
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| Ender2070 | Bertrant Russell said they would "use the needle" to reduce populations and gain control over everyone | Jan 25 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | Incredibly huge fine nobody could be expected to pay becomes incredibly huge fine that nobody could be expected to pay | Jan 25 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | yay | Jan 25 16:00 |
| Ender2070 | he also said that if government could get kids into school by age 2 that it would be easier to indoctrinate people | Jan 25 16:00 |
| Ender2070 | HG Wells (A Modern Utopia -1905 , The New World Order -1940) | Jan 25 16:00 |
| Ender2070 | Aldous Huxley (Brave New World - 1932) | Jan 25 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: This is opposed to "Get them in concentration camps so they can learn why being gay is bad through tactics that would have Guantanamo Bay CIA agents tossing their cookies"? | Jan 25 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 25 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | Jesus says it, it must be true :p | Jan 25 16:01 |
| Ender2070 | i dont believe in the concentration camps | Jan 25 16:01 |
| Ender2070 | they'll run into less resistence if they silently slow down population growth and dumb everyone down | Jan 25 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | the church isn't trying to save anyone, especially me | Jan 25 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | they've declared war on me | Jan 25 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | fuck them | Jan 25 16:02 |
| Ender2070 | check out the Fabian Society, who HG Wells was part of | Jan 25 16:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft is Lying to the Public with #NPD (Again) http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/25/microsoft-npd-lies-and-fud/ | Jan 25 16:02 | |
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| DaemonFC | the church indoctrination is more frightening than any kind of indoctrination that the state could try | Jan 25 16:02 |
| Ender2070 | they believe in slowly bringing in world socialism, that way it is harder to prevent | Jan 25 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | (with the exception of state sanctioned religious indoctrination as grounds for state authority) | Jan 25 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | that's what the 700 Club people want to turn the USA into | Jan 25 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | where they get their way, all day, every day | Jan 25 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | 100% of the time | Jan 25 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | just getting their way 80% of the time is not enough | Jan 25 16:03 |
| Ender2070 | theres also another scientific term called "predictive programming" | Jan 25 16:03 |
| Ender2070 | predictive programming involves using certain ideas in stories and movies which bypasses peoples more critical filters, sort of like a trojan horse | Jan 25 16:04 |
| rnb | "world socialism" -- who wants that, now? | Jan 25 16:04 |
| Ender2070 | when the idea comes into reality, people dont fight it | Jan 25 16:04 |
| *rnb wants world socialism | Jan 25 16:05 | |
| Ender2070 | world socialism would be a good idea if humanity wasn't corrupt | Jan 25 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: Trojan horse meaning like that "Megiddo" movie | Jan 25 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | or however you spell that | Jan 25 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | and the first one, can't remember the name | Jan 25 16:05 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - trojan horse like "Total Recall" | Jan 25 16:06 |
| rnb | eh, that's the oldest and most superficial thing people say about socialism | Jan 25 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: How is that a trap? | Jan 25 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | you mean the movie itself right? | Jan 25 16:06 |
| rnb | free software is a demonstration of socialist organizing at work | Jan 25 16:06 |
| Ender2070 | rnb - world socialism only benefits aristocracy at this point, as well as the world bank who will be dishing out carbon credits | Jan 25 16:06 |
| rnb | and there are thousands of real-world examples of socialist organizing at work, and it always produces a better outcome than the capitalist alternative | Jan 25 16:07 |
| rnb | and that's why every time it starts to happen, in come the capitalist armies to put it down | Jan 25 16:07 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - not a trap, but look at how many things in total recall are becoming reality | Jan 25 16:07 |
| rnb | and install a capitalist dictatorship (or whatever it takes) | Jan 25 16:07 |
| rnb | the world bank does everything it can to oppose socialist parties | Jan 25 16:08 |
| Ender2070 | rnb - doesn't make you suspicious that those with the most money push socialism? | Jan 25 16:08 |
| Ender2070 | socialism is communism + ideas from capitalism | Jan 25 16:08 |
| rnb | thats not true | Jan 25 16:08 |
| Ender2070 | read karl marx | Jan 25 16:08 |
| rnb | yes, thanks, i have | Jan 25 16:08 |
| rnb | but in modern day -- what are examples of "the most rich" supporting socialist programs? | Jan 25 16:08 |
| Ender2070 | aristocracy | Jan 25 16:09 |
| rnb | the most rich -- the IMF, World Bank, etc -- all support structural adjustment programs that do away with anything remotely resembling a socialist program | Jan 25 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | rnb: The few socialist welfare systems around in the US tend to benefit the rich more than the poor anyway | Jan 25 16:09 |
| Ender2070 | they've hid themselves behind foundations | Jan 25 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | Medicaid, Medicare, food stamps | Jan 25 16:09 |
| rnb | DaemonFC: shh, shh. | Jan 25 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | money going to rich doctors and rich grocery store owners | Jan 25 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | and rich people making the junk food | Jan 25 16:09 |
| rnb | Ender2070: ok.. whats one example? | Jan 25 16:10 |
| Ender2070 | the fabian society | Jan 25 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | then you have rent assistance | Jan 25 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | which helps the fat landlord who never works | Jan 25 16:10 |
| Ender2070 | the council of foreign relations | Jan 25 16:10 |
| rnb | Ender2070: "the fabian society" ... and what socialist parties/governments do they support? | Jan 25 16:10 |
| Ender2070 | the royal institute of international affairs | Jan 25 16:10 |
| Ender2070 | the fabian society is a socialist foundation | Jan 25 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | utility assistance which helps pay the electric and gas companies | Jan 25 16:10 |
| Ender2070 | they lobby governments | Jan 25 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | helping the poor is just a side effect | Jan 25 16:11 |
| rnb | heheh.. these are the "most rich"? | Jan 25 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | all that welfare money ends up going to the top of corporate America | Jan 25 16:11 |
| rnb | Ender2070: why arent there any arab sheiks in their ranks? | Jan 25 16:11 |
| Ender2070 | Lord Bertrand Russell isn't rich? | Jan 25 16:11 |
| rnb | Ender2070: or bill gates? etc etc etc | Jan 25 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | that's why the government isn't worried about anyone cheating the system | Jan 25 16:11 |
| rnb | Ender2070: you said "the most rich" in society | Jan 25 16:11 |
| rnb | Ender2070: certainly there are SOME wealthy people who support forms of socialism | Jan 25 16:11 |
| Ender2070 | Rockefeller | Jan 25 16:12 |
| Ender2070 | well, there aren't many who are "the most rich" | Jan 25 16:12 |
| rnb | there are | Jan 25 16:12 |
| rnb | fortune magazine documents who they are, in fact | Jan 25 16:12 |
| Ender2070 | thats the sideshow | Jan 25 16:12 |
| rnb | and you can see quite clearly that they are all staunch free market capitalists | Jan 25 16:12 |
| rnb | well, not LITERAL free market capitalists | Jan 25 16:13 |
| rnb | the kind that is being brought to iraq right now | Jan 25 16:13 |
| Ender2070 | they hardly have the funds to start up and support several foundations over the course of a couple hundred years | Jan 25 16:13 |
| Ender2070 | thats what they do | Jan 25 16:13 |
| Ender2070 | they have foundations which lobby the government for years until they get what they want | Jan 25 16:13 |
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| Ender2070 | the fabian society is over 100 years old | Jan 25 16:13 |
| rnb | so are the boy scouts | Jan 25 16:14 |
| Ender2070 | it hardly matters now anyways, the UN basicly runs the show now | Jan 25 16:14 |
| rnb | yes, the UN is very effective with their resolutions | Jan 25 16:15 |
| rnb | the ones that are totally ignored by the richest countries | Jan 25 16:15 |
| Ender2070 | the UN has countries pass treaties which bypass the people, because the countries have to pass laws to cooperate | Jan 25 16:15 |
| rnb | but the US proves that the UN has no enforcement power | Jan 25 16:16 |
| rnb | the US ignores whatever it wants, regardless of whether they've agreed to it or not | Jan 25 16:16 |
| Ender2070 | eventually they'll get them passed | Jan 25 16:16 |
| rnb | and it isnt just the US -- it's whoever can get away with it, and they usually do | Jan 25 16:16 |
| Ender2070 | it just takes time | Jan 25 16:16 |
| rnb | oh, so this is a prediction? | Jan 25 16:16 |
| Ender2070 | yes | Jan 25 16:17 |
| rnb | not actually something that happens now or in the past | Jan 25 16:17 |
| Ender2070 | some of the things have occured | Jan 25 16:17 |
| Ender2070 | people in aristocracy wrote about it | Jan 25 16:17 |
| rnb | got it. i thought you meant "now" when you said "the UN basicly [sic] runs the show now" | Jan 25 16:17 |
| Ender2070 | oh, it does | Jan 25 16:17 |
| rnb | oh oh | Jan 25 16:17 |
| rnb | i would refer you back to my previous argument then | Jan 25 16:18 |
| Ender2070 | read plato's "the republic" | Jan 25 16:18 |
| rnb | about how the UN cant enforce anything | Jan 25 16:18 |
| rnb | i have read plato's republic, but it doesnt give much insight on the UN | Jan 25 16:18 |
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| Ender2070 | it gives insight into many things that have occured or are still planned | Jan 25 16:19 |
| Ender2070 | lord bertrand russell's books will give insite into this | Jan 25 16:19 |
| Ender2070 | insight* | Jan 25 16:19 |
| Ender2070 | im very bad at explaining things too, im not as well versed as some other people | Jan 25 16:21 |
| Ender2070 | may I recommend Alan Watt? | Jan 25 16:21 |
| Ender2070 | www.cuttingthroughthematric.com | Jan 25 16:21 |
| Ender2070 | www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com | Jan 25 16:21 |
| Ender2070 | oops, spelled the first one wrong | Jan 25 16:21 |
| rnb | it's one thing that the crackpots like alex jones, etc, get wrong | Jan 25 16:21 |
| rnb | they have no idea what socialism is | Jan 25 16:22 |
| Ender2070 | I probably sound like Alex Jones right now | Jan 25 16:22 |
| Ender2070 | I can only think of bits and pieces | Jan 25 16:22 |
| rnb | and know next to nothing about socialist history | Jan 25 16:22 |
| Ender2070 | oh, the Club of Rome | Jan 25 16:22 |
| rnb | nothing is more threatening to the wealthy of the world than people who want to take their wealth/power away | Jan 25 16:23 |
| rnb | at gunpoint... | Jan 25 16:23 |
| Ender2070 | socialism doesnt do that | Jan 25 16:23 |
| rnb | yes. it does. | Jan 25 16:23 |
| Ender2070 | socialism puts a lot of services into government hands | Jan 25 16:23 |
| Ender2070 | the closest thing I can say I am is probably an "anarchist" | Jan 25 16:23 |
| Ender2070 | but i dont believe in labels | Jan 25 16:24 |
| cubezzz | anarchist? | Jan 25 16:24 |
| cubezzz | no rules? | Jan 25 16:24 |
| rnb | do you know why there is an angry population of rich cubans in miami who have been funding terrorism against cuba for the last 50 years? | Jan 25 16:24 |
| rnb | it's because when castro came to power, he toppled all the major corporations, all the ruling elite families | Jan 25 16:25 |
| cubezzz | makes sense | Jan 25 16:25 |
| cubezzz | people usually don't like losing power | Jan 25 16:25 |
| Ender2070 | I think there still could be rules in anarchy | Jan 25 16:25 |
| cubezzz | Alex Jones had Stallman on one time tbw | Jan 25 16:25 |
| rnb | and i think you'll find that basic pattern to be there in most histories of socialist revolutions | Jan 25 16:25 |
| cubezzz | btw | Jan 25 16:25 |
| Ender2070 | im mainly after no-government | Jan 25 16:26 |
| Ender2070 | I don't want to pay taxes on land i own, simply for being there | Jan 25 16:26 |
| rnb | the "anarchist" tradition comes from the left, "anarchism" is a form of socialism | Jan 25 16:26 |
| cubezzz | ok, but you get services for your taxes | Jan 25 16:26 |
| rnb | the anarchists & the socialists are constantly debating, and have been since marx's days | Jan 25 16:26 |
| Ender2070 | maybe i dont want any services | Jan 25 16:26 |
| cubezzz | sewer system, garbage pickup... | Jan 25 16:26 |
| cubezzz | sure you do :) | Jan 25 16:27 |
| Ender2070 | those things are relevant in a city | Jan 25 16:27 |
| cubezzz | you want internet service right? :) | Jan 25 16:27 |
| rnb | anarchism says "property is theft" and you won't be owning any land in any anarchist society | Jan 25 16:27 |
| Ender2070 | i dont follow anarchism, i said its closest to what I believe in | Jan 25 16:27 |
| cubezzz | what you really mean is you want to choose your services | Jan 25 16:27 |
| rnb | i dont think he knows what he means | Jan 25 16:28 |
| Ender2070 | I want to be self-sustaining | Jan 25 16:28 |
| cubezzz | not even Amish can do it totally without some trade | Jan 25 16:28 |
| rnb | Ender2070: go do it, then | Jan 25 16:28 |
| rnb | Ender2070: who is stopping you? | Jan 25 16:28 |
| Ender2070 | they require trade because they still have to pay taxes | Jan 25 16:28 |
| Ender2070 | they also have to support a community | Jan 25 16:28 |
| cubezzz | do you're own denistry? doctoring? :) | Jan 25 16:29 |
| rnb | haha | Jan 25 16:29 |
| cubezzz | your | Jan 25 16:29 |
| rnb | cubezzz++ | Jan 25 16:29 |
| rnb | i love pulling my own teeth | Jan 25 16:29 |
| cubezzz | oh yeah it's really fun | Jan 25 16:29 |
| rnb | i can also remove my own appendix | Jan 25 16:29 |
| Ender2070 | if im growing my own food and eating properly, why do i need to see a doctor to get me better from all the bullshit im forced to eat | Jan 25 16:29 |
| Ender2070 | why see a dentist when all my food isnt loaded with sugar | Jan 25 16:29 |
| cubezzz | dude you are totally self-sustaining :) | Jan 25 16:29 |
| rnb | i've taken it out and put it back in a couple times... JUST TO SHOW THE NEW WORLD ORDER THEY DONT CONTROL ME | Jan 25 16:30 |
| rnb | oh lord | Jan 25 16:30 |
| cubezzz | ok, seriously though Alex Jones didn't seem too bad to me | Jan 25 16:30 |
| cubezzz | at least he talked to Stallman | Jan 25 16:30 |
| rnb | cubezzz: well, Ender2070 is basically repeating what alex jones and others in that genre tell him | Jan 25 16:30 |
| rnb | cubezzz: and thats why i dont like alex jones | Jan 25 16:31 |
| Ender2070 | i just dont like the way the world is run | Jan 25 16:31 |
| cubezzz | Ender2070, I don't either | Jan 25 16:31 |
| Ender2070 | i dont think socialism will make it better | Jan 25 16:31 |
| Ender2070 | putting in more government control is a bad idea | Jan 25 16:31 |
| Ender2070 | im just thinking off the top of my head though in self-sustaining ideas | Jan 25 16:31 |
| rnb | cubezzz: he also rants about the socialist world government, and then will turn around and support hugo chavez (one of the strongest socialist leaders in the world, atm) | Jan 25 16:31 |
| Ender2070 | i dont support chavez | Jan 25 16:31 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | Jan 25 16:32 |
| rnb | Ender2070: i doubt you know enough about it to support or not support chavez, no offense | Jan 25 16:32 |
| cubezzz | which country are you in rnb? States? | Jan 25 16:32 |
| rnb | cubezzz: yeah | Jan 25 16:32 |
| rnb | cubezzz: unfortunately, at the moment. dont hold it against me :) | Jan 25 16:32 |
| cubezzz | I don't | Jan 25 16:32 |
| cubezzz | I think the States was really good in the 50's and 60's | Jan 25 16:33 |
| rnb | cubezzz: ick | Jan 25 16:33 |
| Ender2070 | yeah really | Jan 25 16:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@phuff not sure the timing matters. Just proves #sourceforge + #google code or any US site, is a very poor choice for hosting open projects | Jan 25 16:33 | |
| Ender2070 | thats when the CIA was doing MK Ultra | Jan 25 16:33 |
| rnb | cubezzz: try being black in the US in 1950 | Jan 25 16:33 |
| cubezzz | ok, you have a point there | Jan 25 16:34 |
| rnb | cubezzz: or even intellectually curious, for that matter | Jan 25 16:34 |
| cubezzz | what I mean is the economy was pretty good | Jan 25 16:34 |
| cubezzz | I'm sure it wasn't perfect | Jan 25 16:34 |
| rnb | cubezzz: yes, there was a large middle class | Jan 25 16:34 |
| rnb | cubezzz: there was somewhat of an "american dream" | Jan 25 16:34 |
| rnb | cubezzz: i.e. you could work in a factory and have a decent life, retire, etc | Jan 25 16:34 |
| cubezzz | yes, own your own home | Jan 25 16:34 |
| cubezzz | indeed | Jan 25 16:34 |
| rnb | cubezzz: but that was at the expense of millions of other people who were subsidizing it | Jan 25 16:35 |
| rnb | cubezzz: through forced labor, that doesnt come free | Jan 25 16:35 |
| cubezzz | RCA was a powerhouse in the 60's | Jan 25 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | lots of open source projects are hosted on US sites | Jan 25 16:35 |
| rnb | well, anyway, i need to get to work now | Jan 25 16:36 |
| cubezzz | rnb, so are you saying things are better or worse now compared to the USA of the 60's? | Jan 25 16:36 |
| cubezzz | ok later :) | Jan 25 16:36 |
| rnb | cubezzz: the US has a much smaller middle class than the 50s/60s | Jan 25 16:36 |
| rnb | cubezzz: you cant just get a job and work hard and have a decent life anymore | Jan 25 16:36 |
| cubezzz | so it's worse then? | Jan 25 16:37 |
| rnb | cubezzz: all the labor unions from the 50s/60s have been destroyed | Jan 25 16:37 |
| Ender2070 | the unions left over give unions a bad name too | Jan 25 16:37 |
| Ender2070 | like teachers unions | Jan 25 16:37 |
| rnb | cubezzz: i dont know about better/worse | Jan 25 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | rnb: Machines can do most of those jobs | Jan 25 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | the Mexicans can do the rest | Jan 25 16:38 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Jan 25 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | is it surprising that nobody wants to pay $20-$30 an hour for that? | Jan 25 16:38 |
| rnb | cubezzz: i personally cant stand living in the US anymore | Jan 25 16:38 |
| cubezzz | rnb, I hear you | Jan 25 16:38 |
| rnb | cubezzz: there's no community here | Jan 25 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | rnb: Go to China | Jan 25 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | plenty of work there | Jan 25 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | of course you can live better in the US working part time at a convenience store | Jan 25 16:38 |
| Ender2070 | the city of brampton had bailed out a local car manufacturing plant, and the plant was going to close up anyways. the city of brampton asked for its money back, so that car company simply fired the staff and replaced them with robots. | Jan 25 16:38 |
| rnb | there's no health care here, the schools are shit (if you're thinking of having kids) | Jan 25 16:39 |
| cubezzz | Detroit seemed very uhhh not good | Jan 25 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | rnb: If the standard of living wasn't better in the US, nobody would walk hundreds of miles through the Sonora desert to get here | Jan 25 16:39 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, It's all relative | Jan 25 16:40 |
| Ender2070 | daemonfc - its all subjective | Jan 25 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | they're stay in Mexico and keep pulling 11 hour days for $7 per shift | Jan 25 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | *they'd | Jan 25 16:40 |
| cubezzz | if you're in Haiti the USA probably looks great | Jan 25 16:40 |
| rnb | and while the number of decent people in ohio/michigan/etc still way outnumber the assholes, | Jan 25 16:40 |
| Ender2070 | if you're in Canada the US looks like a facist nightmare | Jan 25 16:40 |
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| DaemonFC | so I don't know where rnb was planning to get a $20 an hour job working at a convenience store filling a shushie vat | Jan 25 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | do you? | Jan 25 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | that was my point | Jan 25 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | that's what you get if you just leave high school and go find work | Jan 25 16:41 |
| cubezzz | I thought Obama could pull the US back to the centre | Jan 25 16:41 |
| cubezzz | we'll probably go Liberal goverment next | Jan 25 16:41 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - but in Washington, you can be a nanny for $20/hr, and get benefits (babysitter) | Jan 25 16:41 |
| rnb | AM radio funded by mega-corporations have convinced a bunch of people like DaemonFC to be jackasses | Jan 25 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Do they pay the equivalent of US $20 an hour to work at convenience stores in the UK? | Jan 25 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | fresh out of high school? | Jan 25 16:41 |
| rnb | the news media here is terrible | Jan 25 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | what about Canada, no? | Jan 25 16:41 |
| rnb | anyway, i'm moving to brazil | Jan 25 16:42 |
| Ender2070 | Canada > US | Jan 25 16:42 |
| rnb | but i really do have to work now | Jan 25 16:42 |
| rnb | bye | Jan 25 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | rnb is acting like there are countries that will pay you anything beyond minimum wage for a low skill manual labor job that anyone could do | Jan 25 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | and it's not like that | Jan 25 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | if anyone can do it and there's no skill, te wages go down, not up | Jan 25 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | *the | Jan 25 16:43 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - you can do no skill, high risk jobs for high pay | Jan 25 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know how this is a hard concept | Jan 25 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but why pay you that much and pay OSHA, and follow the FLSA, and shit | Jan 25 16:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] RD: @mjjzf: The perception of intellectual property leads to intellectual poverty. | Jan 25 16:43 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Epic and #Microsoft as Samson and Delilah; epic failures for #Yahoo after #Microsoft deal http://ur1.ca/kn82 | Jan 25 16:43 | |
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| DaemonFC | when they can buy a machine | Jan 25 16:43 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - when was the last time US raised its minimum wage? | Jan 25 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | 2009 | Jan 25 16:43 |
| Ender2070 | what is it at? | Jan 25 16:44 |
| rnb | DaemonFC: how much does your mom give you for taking up space in her basement? | Jan 25 16:44 |
| rnb | DaemonFC: minimum wage, at least? | Jan 25 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | rnb: I don't live anywhere near family | Jan 25 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | I do not sponge off my family | Jan 25 16:44 |
| rnb | uh huh | Jan 25 16:44 |
| rnb | you're a man of the world! | Jan 25 16:45 |
| rnb | you've been to indiana ... and dayton! | Jan 25 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | fuck the world | Jan 25 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | and fuck your defective impressions of it | Jan 25 16:45 |
| rnb | exactly | Jan 25 16:45 |
| Ender2070 | he thinks everyone wants to murder him | Jan 25 16:45 |
| rnb | "i dont know anything and i dont want to know! what i heard on rush limbaugh is right!" | Jan 25 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | you think that there's a place that pays morons with no skills more, go there | Jan 25 16:45 |
| rnb | it's that attitude that's fucking pu the quality of life in the US | Jan 25 16:46 |
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| DaemonFC | rnb: Nobody will stop you | Jan 25 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | you think you're a desirable citizen to have, go find anywhere else that will take you | Jan 25 16:46 |
| rnb | i have no idea what you're even talking about | Jan 25 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | you think you have skills, good, more power to you | Jan 25 16:46 |
| Ender2070 | i've heard norway has it pretty good | Jan 25 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | move ther | Jan 25 16:46 |
| rnb | it's something you made up in your own head (called a strawman) | Jan 25 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | you can ask | Jan 25 16:46 |
| cubezzz | I'm happy with Canada | Jan 25 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | no, I promise I won't try to talk you out of it | Jan 25 16:47 |
| rnb | i haved lived in other places, and i will again | Jan 25 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | good, stay there | Jan 25 16:47 |
| rnb | har har! | Jan 25 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | take up their oxygen | Jan 25 16:47 |
| rnb | haha | Jan 25 16:47 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - Canada will be in a far better position if there was a flood, for instance, or other issues | Jan 25 16:47 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Jan 25 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | hehe, I've lives other places and came back here, even though they were ALL better | Jan 25 16:48 |
| cubezzz | there's a flood around here actually | Jan 25 16:48 |
| rnb | DaemonFC is so upset, mom's gonna have to buy extra bags of fritos today | Jan 25 16:48 |
| cubezzz | the beaver damn broke :) | Jan 25 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | I came back because they wouldn't let me stay or because it really wasn't better | Jan 25 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | now which is it? | Jan 25 16:48 |
| Ender2070 | awww | Jan 25 16:48 |
| Ender2070 | the beavers :( | Jan 25 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | rnb: Would they not let you stay or was it not better than the USA | Jan 25 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | which one is it? | Jan 25 16:48 |
| cubezzz | we have muskrats and foxes too, even some red squirrels | Jan 25 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | or a little of both maybe? | Jan 25 16:49 |
| Ender2070 | we have maple syrup | Jan 25 16:49 |
| Ender2070 | and the best hockey in the world | Jan 25 16:49 |
| rnb | DaemonFC: i come and go | Jan 25 16:49 |
| cubezzz | and a parlaiment that doesn't work very hard :) | Jan 25 16:49 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - when you zip down limbaugh's fly to service him, remember that zipper was invented in Canada | Jan 25 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: I've never heard someone bitch about something as much as rnb when he freely admits to having had options and choosing where he's at. It's because they wouldn't let him stay or he didn't like it when he got there. | Jan 25 16:50 |
| cubezzz | parliament | Jan 25 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | plain and simple, stay there or quit bitching | Jan 25 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | it's so perfect, it's so easy to stay there, so stay | Jan 25 16:50 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - you quit bitching then too | Jan 25 16:50 |
| rnb | haha | Jan 25 16:50 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - you complain about stuff too, ALL the time | Jan 25 16:50 |
| rnb | except what do you tell DaemonFC? if you dont like your mom's basement, THEN GET OUT | Jan 25 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | rnb: Where did you go that wouldn't let you stay or wasn't fit to stay? | Jan 25 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | Give me a list | Jan 25 16:51 |
| rnb | LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT | Jan 25 16:51 |
| rnb | BUT LET MOM KNOW SO SHE CAN MAKE THE SHOPPING LIST | Jan 25 16:51 |
| rnb | hahaha | Jan 25 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | rnb: That is a weak argument, and not based on fact | Jan 25 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | you're evading the reasonable question I asked you | Jan 25 16:52 |
| rnb | bye! | Jan 25 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | with mindless nonsense | Jan 25 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | rnb: So what about all those neighborhood children locked in your basement? | Jan 25 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | I want to know when you plan on letting them go | Jan 25 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | gee, how do I know all this, I think your psychic powers bullshit is rubbing off | Jan 25 16:53 |
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| MinceR | http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/01/25/apple.fans/index.html?hpt=T2 | Jan 25 16:59 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: 'Cult' of Apple hangs on Wednesday announcement - CNN.com .::. Size~: 56.52 KB | Jan 25 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Didn't Microsoft try this 4-5 years ago? | Jan 25 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | sales tanked before you could even find them anywhere | Jan 25 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | had XP on all of them | Jan 25 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | I'm just not sure there's a market for this | Jan 25 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | not sure why so many companies keep trying to pretend it's new and throw more money at it | Jan 25 17:03 |
| Ender2070 | as long as its shiney and makes a whirring noise | Jan 25 17:09 |
| MinceR | tablet pcs? they've been "invented" a couple times already | Jan 25 17:10 |
| Ender2070 | someone was even making custom ones out of apple notebooks a few years ago | Jan 25 17:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Opera has had the #newLisp manual open for weeks now. Gotta give it a whirl. #lisp #fp #programming | Jan 25 17:25 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Internet Explorer Still Not Secure, Still #Standards -hostile, and Still Giving the #NHS a Headache http://ur1.ca/knbl | Jan 25 17:27 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Internet Explorer Still Not Secure, Still Standards-hostile, and Still Giving the NHS a Headache | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 110.77 KB | Jan 25 17:27 |
| Ender2070 | Good old Internet Exploiter | Jan 25 17:35 |
| Eruaran | Just kill it | Jan 25 17:36 |
| Eruaran | put it out of its misery | Jan 25 17:37 |
| Ender2070 | they won't until Netscape is Dead (TM) | Jan 25 17:41 |
| Ender2070 | www.netscape.com | Jan 25 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | Netscape is dead | Jan 25 17:46 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/1/22/ | Jan 25 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | they're just a portal for AOL | Jan 25 17:46 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Penny Arcade! - Rapidly Pressing The Button Beneath The Counter .::. Size~: 8.11 KB | Jan 25 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | I still say Netscape dying might be for the better in the historical context | Jan 25 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | but how Microsoft attacked them should be punished, because it is illegal | Jan 25 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | nothing like getting a sympathetic judge and jury is there? | Jan 25 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | that first hearing they got, the judge was highly critical of them and slapped them with some real penalties, then it got to the appeals court and the damages became meaningless | Jan 25 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: I don't think IE is really a huge threat once you get past the fact that it's the first thing a new Windows user sees | Jan 25 17:49 |
| schestowitz | [16:41] <DaemonFC> schestowitz: Do they pay the equivalent of US $20 an hour to work at convenience stores in the UK? | Jan 25 17:49 |
| schestowitz | No, $10 | Jan 25 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | it's still dying piece by piece | Jan 25 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | you can't get to browsing and not hear about Firefox | Jan 25 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | I've seen some very non-technical people with it just cause some freeware site recommends it | Jan 25 17:50 |
| schestowitz | [16:59] <phIRCe-BNc> Title: 'Cult' of Apple hangs on Wednesday announcement - CNN.com .::. Size~: 56.52 KB | Jan 25 17:50 |
| schestowitz | CNN should also report like this on Microsoft | Jan 25 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Call it "Microsoft Cult" | Jan 25 17:51 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - or people who've had their PC's to a repair shop for spyware infestations | Jan 25 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | Bill Gates cracked me up a few years ago, schestowitz | Jan 25 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | he said "Without IE what would people download Firefox with?" | Jan 25 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | I wondered if that was admitting it's all IE is good for | Jan 25 17:51 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - I used to install firefox on every pc that went into where I worked, when spyware was the issue | Jan 25 17:51 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: BillG is self serving | Jan 25 17:52 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Jan 25 17:52 |
| Ender2070 | bill gates could write a program that downloads the latest firefox then | Jan 25 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Maybe that's his sense of humour | Jan 25 17:52 |
| Ender2070 | wouldnt be hard | Jan 25 17:52 |
| schestowitz | I never read anything funny from him | Jan 25 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Never | Jan 25 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: They did, it's called IE apparently | Jan 25 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | and only 1,000 times bigger than the job needs it to be | Jan 25 17:52 |
| Ender2070 | no, they could write a non-browser to do it too | Jan 25 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | it's a Microsoft program | Jan 25 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Maybe only some cocky gals and boyz (who act like a school girl around him) would laugh | Jan 25 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | what did you expect? ;) | Jan 25 17:52 |
| Ender2070 | they could use something like wget even in a script | Jan 25 17:53 |
| schestowitz | The BBC recently said that almost 5% of the public thought Bill Gates was a comedian (or a "famous thief" it said) | Jan 25 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | a PowerShell script even | Jan 25 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jan 25 17:53 |
| Ender2070 | a .bat file even | Jan 25 17:53 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Jan 25 17:53 |
| Ender2070 | wget http://mozilla.com/latest-firefox-win32.exe | Jan 25 17:53 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: 404: Page Not Found .::. Size~: 16.74 KB | Jan 25 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Getting Firfox is eay | Jan 25 17:53 |
| schestowitz | *easy | Jan 25 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Justa tcp/ip interface | Jan 25 17:54 |
| schestowitz | No need for GUI | Jan 25 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Just connect to server | Jan 25 17:54 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Jan 25 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: I stopped using Mozilla nightlies, not cause I don't want to help mind you | Jan 25 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | they just got too stable | Jan 25 17:54 |
| Ender2070 | its a fake url | Jan 25 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | used to be there were bugs all over the place to report | Jan 25 17:54 |
| Ender2070 | it would be the latest stable | Jan 25 17:54 |
| Ender2070 | whatever they end up using | Jan 25 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, there's still the odd bug in a nightly, but there's already 500 duplicates of it by the time I try to report it | Jan 25 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 25 17:55 |
| cubezzz | you don't take it far enough schestowitz :) | Jan 25 17:55 |
| cubezzz | you need to start using lynx | Jan 25 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | oh god no | Jan 25 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | the Linux version of Arachne | Jan 25 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 25 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | that's where it's at | Jan 25 17:55 |
| cubezzz | lynx is actually good, I just compiled the newest one | Jan 25 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | the DOS version I used to use could even play my MP3s for me | Jan 25 17:56 |
| cubezzz | can you port firefox to ARM, hmmm? | Jan 25 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | impressive that it could implement a graphical web browser, an MP3 player, and a TCP/IP stack on top of DOS | Jan 25 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | things that have a lot of functionality in an incredibly small program fascinate me | Jan 25 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | finding a small program that does almost nothing is not fun cause there's a lot of them | Jan 25 17:58 |
| cubezzz | two words DaemonFC: Tiny Core | Jan 25 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | finding a huge program that does almost nothing probably means Microsoft did it | Jan 25 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | well, everything bloats until it does a lot of confusing shit that I don't even need | Jan 25 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | John33's OggEnc2.exe is kind of like that | Jan 25 17:59 |
| cubezzz | ok seriously read my latest article: | Jan 25 18:00 |
| cubezzz | http://maxhost.org/blog/linux-blog.html | Jan 25 18:00 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Notes on Linux .::. Size~: 33.64 KB | Jan 25 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | why would anyone using Windows and a frontend to an encoder at that, where the frontend understands the format you are transcoding from, need input support for 8 different file formats in the encoder itself? | Jan 25 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 25 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | so this guy takes a 2 MB EXE and bloats it up to like 12 so you can use it in the command prompt | Jan 25 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | yeehaw | Jan 25 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | no thank you | Jan 25 18:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s Brand Continues to Sink Down the Ranks http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/25/rapid-decline-of-msft-brand/ | Jan 25 18:01 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsofts Brand Continues to Sink Down the Ranks | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 100.69 KB | Jan 25 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | I get how it would be useful if you wanted to connect that to a simple stupid GUI frontend that doesn't understand anything, but that's not what I use | Jan 25 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | Foobar2000 is proprietary software, where the author has opted to accelerate the development of it by grabbing lots of codecs that have BSD-like licenses | Jan 25 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | and he seems to have modified them without contributing patches back (which he is under no obligation to do) | Jan 25 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | and oddly enough, by distributing them in binary format, he's violating a metric assload of patents | Jan 25 18:04 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, you're a funny guy | Jan 25 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | obviously not with Ogg, Vorbis, or FLAC or Wavpack, Musicam, etc. | Jan 25 18:04 |
| cubezzz | mono is the rump? | Jan 25 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | isn't he legally in the wrong by distributing binaries of mpg123 and FAAD2? | Jan 25 18:05 |
| cubezzz | try to imagine how much I don't care though | Jan 25 18:05 |
| cubezzz | it's like 10^888 | Jan 25 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Mono is going to get more popular on Linux than it is on Windows | Jan 25 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | I would say it's already there in some ways | Jan 25 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | not good | Jan 25 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | *than .NET is on WIndows | Jan 25 18:06 |
| cubezzz | no mono on fc1 :) | Jan 25 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | I hope I'm wrong and it just dies off, the security implications of Moonlight are staggering even without the patent issues | Jan 25 18:07 |
| cubezzz | you knew that was coming | Jan 25 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | that's why Ubuntu is now rushing to sandbox Firefox with AppArmor | Jan 25 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | Moonlight is going to make it far too dangerous to no longer constrain | Jan 25 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | brb | Jan 25 18:08 |
| Ender2070 | AppArmor sucks | Jan 25 18:10 |
| cubezzz | I am thinking about making my own distro | Jan 25 18:10 |
| Ender2070 | oh yeah? | Jan 25 18:12 |
| Ender2070 | I thought about it too, but maintanence would be tricky | Jan 25 18:12 |
| Ender2070 | I would rather just help out with Fedora/KDE myself, thats what I would use as a base anyways. | Jan 25 18:14 |
| cubezzz | "Retro Linux" | Jan 25 18:15 |
| cubezzz | for older computer systems | Jan 25 18:15 |
| Ender2070 | Fedora/LXDE | Jan 25 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | I don't have to have the fastest PC on the block, but if even Ubuntu is limping along, it's time to get a newer one | Jan 25 18:16 |
| cubezzz | is there a text only Linux? | Jan 25 18:17 |
| cubezzz | besides LFS | Jan 25 18:17 |
| Ender2070 | Arch | Jan 25 18:18 |
| Ender2070 | Gentoo | Jan 25 18:18 |
| Ender2070 | Arch is fast too | Jan 25 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | Arch is pretty much anything you want | Jan 25 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | my Ritalin-snorting pot-smoking ex told me he uses Gentoo while he plots the follow up to 9/11 with Osama Bin Laden | Jan 25 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | I made up the 9/11/Osama part | Jan 25 18:27 |
| Ender2070 | lol ritalin snorting? | Jan 25 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | yup | 18:27 |
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| DaemonFC | Ender2070: I used to be on Ritalin by prescription | 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | the school set it as a requirement of not throwing me out | 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | so I spit it out when I left the office | 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | they killed a kid with generic Ritalin then found out they had confused the drug names and gave him METHADONE instead of Methylphenadate | 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | not in my school, in some other state | 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | the psychiatrist always prefers the quick patch to the problem than actually sorting the problem out | 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | so you get 10 times as many medicated kids as there should be | 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | then things like this happen | 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | or you get kids that are "on Ritalin" who are actually selling their pills | 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | the pharmaceutical/psychiatric industry is causing an illegal drug problem that dwarves crack cocaine | 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | The psychiatrists are so far up Big Pharma's ass that they'll prescribe new, dangerous "medications" that cause psychosis, death, seizures, anything, and ignore the patient when the red flags start popping up | 18:35 |
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| DaemonFC | Most psychiatrists in the United States should be behind bars for what they've conspired to do to patients | 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | not practicing medicine | 18:36 |
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| DaemonFC | Most psychiatrists in the United States should be behind bars for what they've conspired to do to patients | Jan 25 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | not practicing medicine | Jan 25 18:35 |
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| Ender2070 | the teachers recommend it too | Jan 25 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: Not all psychiatric medication is bad, not all psychiatrists are evil | Jan 25 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | but the good medications, the proper uses, and the non-corrupt psychiatrists are the minority | Jan 25 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | that's my opinion on them | Jan 25 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | the psychiatric profession needs an audit, a serious audit, but by whom? | Jan 25 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | they're basically not supervised by anyone you can trust | Jan 25 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | they police themselves | Jan 25 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | they're a quasi-governmental entity to boot | Jan 25 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | so what do you do? | Jan 25 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | those seizures I had were probably caused by the Abilify I was on earlier that year | Jan 25 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | how do I prove it? I need a doctor's testimony | Jan 25 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | where do you go shopping for non-corrupt doctors to take your side in the case? | Jan 25 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: They put me on Abilify and after a week, I was shaking and so sick I could barely stand or walk, so I took myself off it | Jan 25 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | and the symptoms persisted for weeks | Jan 25 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | the doctor told me it was all in my imagination and to keep taking it | Jan 25 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | I told him "Would you keep taking this shit? Until it fucking kills you?" | Jan 25 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | and he hung up on me and told me he would no longer treat me | Jan 25 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | via mail | Jan 25 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | There's a number of drugs that they've tried to put me on that I've refused since then | Jan 25 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | just outright refused, no negotiating room or anything | Jan 25 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | I finally found one that put me on Lithium and I've been taking it ever since | Jan 25 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | that's the thing about being an adult, being able to refuse them. Children can't. | Jan 25 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | kids are the real victims of this system | Jan 25 18:45 |
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| Shadoweye | lmao | Jan 25 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Why So ANGRY!!111111 | Jan 25 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | Why so serious? | Jan 25 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 25 18:59 |
| Shadoweye | lol | Jan 25 19:01 |
| *Shadoweye looks at DaemonFC Who am I | Jan 25 19:01 | |
| DaemonFC | some asshole | Jan 25 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 25 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Jan 25 19:02 |
| Shadoweye | y am I an asshole | Jan 25 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | Are you on your phone? | Jan 25 19:02 |
| Shadoweye | maybe | Jan 25 19:02 |
| Ender2070 | someone using mirc, lol | Jan 25 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | Moron IRC | Jan 25 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 25 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | Please send $29 within 30 days to this guy in a turbin. | Jan 25 19:04 |
| Ender2070 | hey daemonfc, dalnet is teh shitz | Jan 25 19:04 |
| Shadoweye | lol | Jan 25 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | Mirc scripting is the number 1 reason I hear people say to use it, but they're a security hazard, annoying to the rest of the channel, and totally fail in Wine | Jan 25 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't used Mirc since at least 1998 | Jan 25 19:05 |
| Ender2070 | you're full of shit | Jan 25 19:05 |
| Ender2070 | you used it a few months ago | Jan 25 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | did I? | Jan 25 19:06 |
| Ender2070 | I made fun of you for it | Jan 25 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | oh, I must have been playing with it | Jan 25 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 25 19:06 |
| Shadoweye | lol So DaemonFC I am a asshole knowing you I will take it as a compliment | Jan 25 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | but now I just activate my wii and play with myself | Jan 25 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | it gives me quite a workout | Jan 25 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | term of endearment | Jan 25 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | http://popup.lala.com/popup/504684637714852226 | Jan 25 19:08 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Lala Song Player - Misery (Single Version) by Soul Asylum .::. Size~: 23.06 KB | Jan 25 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | I still think that should be Microsoft's official company song | Jan 25 19:09 |
| Ender2070 | is that the nickname for your penis? | Jan 25 19:09 |
| Shadoweye | DaemonFC I am Chris from Oklahoma | Jan 25 19:09 |
| Ender2070 | [14:04] <DaemonFC> but now I just activate my penis and play with myself | Jan 25 19:09 |
| Ender2070 | [14:04] <DaemonFC> it gives me quite a workout | Jan 25 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | yes, Oklahoma, hmmmm | Jan 25 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | I won't even start with that | Jan 25 19:11 |
| Shadoweye | I am talking to you on Yahoo | Jan 25 19:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Escapees Find New Hosts to Damage Society From http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/25/respawning-persons/ | Jan 25 19:12 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft Escapees Find New Hosts to Damage Society From | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 104.75 KB | Jan 25 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | they could make a factory, and make misery, they'll create the cure cause they made the disease, Frustrated Incorporated | Jan 25 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jan 25 19:13 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.michaelv.org/ | Jan 25 19:14 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: michaelv.org .::. Size~: 64.99 KB | Jan 25 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | heh, these speakers have more bass than I thought | Jan 25 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | Pink Floyd album is knocking shit off my desk | Jan 25 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | cool 8-) | Jan 25 19:26 |
| _Goblin | What pink floyd? | Jan 25 19:31 |
| _Goblin | lol....weak as water | Jan 25 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 25 19:32 |
| _Goblin | this will disintergrate the stuff on your desk (if you speakers can take it) | Jan 25 19:32 |
| _Goblin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RbmbFhghd0 | Jan 25 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | they probably can | Jan 25 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | what is it? | Jan 25 19:32 |
| _Goblin | real...metal/hard rock | Jan 25 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | What if I like discerning the lyrics? | Jan 25 19:33 |
| _Goblin | listen harder | Jan 25 19:33 |
| _Goblin | first word ..."Mankind" | Jan 25 19:33 |
| _Goblin | "Look to the fire, hope to die"....quite simple if you listen | Jan 25 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | quite simple if no dickheads have "mastered" the CD so loud it'll blow the roof off your house | Jan 25 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | that last Metallica CD was the worst thing I've ever heard | Jan 25 19:34 |
| _Goblin | agreed... | Jan 25 19:34 |
| _Goblin | everything after they hit the mainstream blew | Jan 25 19:35 |
| _Goblin | same with Blackcrowes | Jan 25 19:35 |
| _Goblin | Gnr too | Jan 25 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | I ended up getting the Guitar Hero III rip of Death Magnetic | Jan 25 19:35 |
| _Goblin | Apetite for Destruction was great....everything else was hopeless.. | Jan 25 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | it actually wasn't fucked up in the video game | Jan 25 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | they had people in the Metallica forum on their site telling people to get the GH3 rip off of Bittorrent | Jan 25 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | that was too damned funny | Jan 25 19:36 |
| _Goblin | what people wasted bandwidth on Metallica? | Jan 25 19:36 |
| _Goblin | Id rather d/l Windows | Jan 25 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | it was just how ironic it was | Jan 25 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | after 8 years of bitching about P2P | Jan 25 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | people on their own forum said get it off Bittorrent | Jan 25 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | I have to wonder if they realize how stupid it was to fuck up the CD that bad | Jan 25 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | that the people torrenting is now their fault | Jan 25 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | I mean certainly even starting to complain and perjuring themselves in front of Congress was bad enough | Jan 25 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | but it was like free advertisements for the fact that you could get it free | Jan 25 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | then they ruin the CD to where the only way to get a copy that sounds decent is on file sharing sites | Jan 25 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | then Lars Ulrich gets on these news sites saying he couldn't get a copy of one of their new albums and so he got the leaked version on Limewire | Jan 25 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | which was just as illegal for him to do as anyone | Jan 25 19:41 |
| MinceR | pwnt | Jan 25 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | why didn't the RIAA sue Lars Ulrich? | Jan 25 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | he has money | Jan 25 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 25 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | so him for $26,000 per track on that CD | Jan 25 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | *sue | Jan 25 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin: Pink Floyd is good stuff to get stoned to | Jan 25 19:47 |
| _Goblin | wouldn't know I don't use drugs | Jan 25 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | I don't smoke now, not pot, not cigarettes | Jan 25 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | nothing | Jan 25 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, there's now a movement for a constitutional amendment that would forbid the government from recognizing corporations as people for the purpose of conferring rights onto them. | Jan 25 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | I could get behind that | Jan 25 19:58 |
| *Omar87__ (n=quassel@86.108.104.236) has joined #boycottnovell | Jan 25 20:05 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/25/pope_on_web/ | Jan 25 20:07 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Pope tells priests - get to grips with blogs, web vids • The Register .::. Size~: 22.37 KB | Jan 25 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | Pope tells priests, spread propaganda on internet, don't download child porn | Jan 25 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | *grin* | Jan 25 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | (Don't worry, we'll relocate you to safety in some state without a Megan's Law if you do) | Jan 25 20:09 |
| *Shadoweye looks at Ryan | Jan 25 20:11 | |
| *Shadoweye pokes DaemonFC | Jan 25 20:11 | |
| DaemonFC | Don't touch me, you're not my priest! | Jan 25 20:11 |
| Shadoweye | lmao | Jan 25 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | This is all going in my nightly report to God, you bad bad man you! | Jan 25 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | You want to know why I'm not a Christian? I'm just not that in to kiddie porn, bigamy, and the military industrial complex | Jan 25 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | and that narrows down the choices | Jan 25 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the Anglican church lost half their subscribers by accepting two gay bishops, and I can kind of respect that | Jan 25 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | I can only imagine what that did to their bottom line | Jan 25 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | but I still have to ask if this is 1964 and we're the black people that can sit in the front row now | Jan 25 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | my aunt's ex husband got thrown out of his church a few months ago | Jan 25 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | cause there was a 16 year old boy (and no, he didn't do anything inappropriate/illegal with him) who was gay and too afraid to tell his parents | Jan 25 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | and so my aunt's ex-husband got thrown out of the church for giving him some reasonable advice that didn't involve Jesus sending the kid to hell | Jan 25 20:18 |
| MinceR | 210902 < DaemonFC> Don't touch me, you're not my priest! | Jan 25 20:20 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 25 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | It's hard living in a family that's majority Christian (whenever they're not doing something wrong) | Jan 25 20:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] xp in a VM is an excellent way to send your CPU to 105 deg C. also, this lets you use your laptop as a hairdryer. | Jan 25 20:22 | |
| DaemonFC | like, holiday dinners, where my grandmother turns on one of those stupid jackass televangelists who like, cups his hand over hit forehead like he's staring into the sun, closes his eyes "God is telling me bleeeeeeeeeh!!!!! The wicked shall be punished! bleeeeeeeeh!" | Jan 25 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | so I got up to go into the other room and everyone asks where I'm going and so I mock the televangelist "Brain is telling me......must get to minimum safe distance before indigestion sets in......" | Jan 25 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 25 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | It's always entertaining to go anywhere where my family is | Jan 25 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | rnb: That's why your theory about me living in my mom's basement could not be accurate, I'd rather struggle to pay bills and take care of life's daily disasters than live with Christians, or anyone else that is going to tell me what I will believe and do if I am to stay there. | Jan 25 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | and So, I have been on my own since way before I turned 18 | Jan 25 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | I preferred to live in my car for nearly two years to be free of that | Jan 25 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | living on my own or my step dad's corpse on the deck and me in prison were the choices | Jan 25 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | things get better and worse, but everything is transitory | Jan 25 20:29 |
| *schestowitz thinks DaemonFC has stalkers | Jan 25 20:29 | |
| DaemonFC | they just want my autograph | Jan 25 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | they're my public | Jan 25 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | they always find me by the pool, doing my manicures | Jan 25 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | out here in the tropics | Jan 25 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | damned Paparazzi, they killed Diana and they'll get me too | Jan 25 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Maybe I should lose them by going 120 MPH in this cramped tunnel | Jan 25 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | I guess the concept of tinted windows was lost on these people | Jan 25 20:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Some @BillGates revelations, some history/dynasty information, and news about his hypocrisy regarding #tax http://ur1.ca/knpf | Jan 25 20:39 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Nerve of Bill Gates | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 109.14 KB | Jan 25 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Taxing banks is a horrible idea | Jan 25 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | they'll just punish borrowers with higher interest rates | Jan 25 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | it's an indirect tax on citizens | Jan 25 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | he might as well have said up the tax on groceries | Jan 25 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | which cap and trade will if implemented | Jan 25 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | cap and trade is the biggest public threat being tossed around in Congress | Jan 25 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder what Gates thinks of it | Jan 25 20:45 |
| *Shadoweye has quit ("(wiRC v9.0) download it @ www.warIRC.com") | Jan 25 20:45 | |
| DaemonFC | "When all these people can no longer heat their homes and buy food, there will be a little less carbon dioxide released into the air" | Jan 25 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | "If we can just starve and freeze the peasants to death, there will be more for us" | Jan 25 20:46 |
| MinceR | if they stop breathing, that also means less carbon dioxide released into the air | Jan 25 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | bonus | Jan 25 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 25 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | if cap and trade is passed in the US, I believe at least half a million to a million people will die | Jan 25 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | it also reduces millions from middle class to impoverished | Jan 25 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | it's a war on the middle class and poor in the name of environmentalism | Jan 25 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | there's lots of things they could do if they really wanted to be more environmentally friendly, like making it illegal to burn off perfectly good natural gas at oil refineries | Jan 25 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | the refinery outside the town I live in has a torch where they burn off natural gas day in and day out | Jan 25 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | that could be used for something, it's just not profitable enough for them to want to bottle and sell I guess | Jan 25 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | or quit trying to tell people that corn should be turned into fuel | Jan 25 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | even though it is actually worse than burning that amount of energy in gasoline | Jan 25 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | you actually get less energy out of E85 than it took to make the shit | Jan 25 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | and the state is not taxing it | Jan 25 20:53 |
| MinceR | making E85 takes CO2 out of the air, though | Jan 25 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | I don't want to be told that cap and trade is the only way to go when there are so many things we can do which don't involve anyone dying | Jan 25 20:54 |
| MinceR | what gets out when you burn it merely returns that | Jan 25 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | not really | Jan 25 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | they're using fossil fuels in the process of growing the corn | Jan 25 20:54 |
| MinceR | ic | Jan 25 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | they're taking corn out of the food supply | Jan 25 20:55 |
| MinceR | also, i forgot about that 15% | Jan 25 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | they use more fossil fuel to refine it | Jan 25 20:55 |
| MinceR | well, would people pay more for that corn to use it as food? | Jan 25 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | and then they put 15% gasoline in anyway | Jan 25 20:55 |
| MinceR | are there no market forces at work anyway? | Jan 25 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: No, and if it reduces you gas mileage 27% vs. gas and was taqxed the same, consumers would kill it | Jan 25 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | that's why they heavily subsidize the growers, with taxpayer money | Jan 25 20:56 |
| MinceR | ic | Jan 25 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | E-85 is a conspiracy to shower corn growers with tax money, and encourage the public to use a fuel that pollutes worse than gas | Jan 25 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Of course the corn growers want to sell it as fuel and not pig feed | Jan 25 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | they're not stupid, they're ripping us off | Jan 25 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | and by making a shortage of animal feed, they get to sell the animal feed at higher prices too | Jan 25 20:58 |
| Omar87__ | Greetings all. | Jan 25 20:59 |
| MinceR | why do you think it pollutes _worse_ than gas? | Jan 25 20:59 |
| MinceR | hay Omar87__ | Jan 25 20:59 |
| Omar87__ | Man! This Ubuntu Developer Weel is awesome! | Jan 25 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | the refinery and the machinery that run on fossil fuels to grow it, harvest it, and process it | Jan 25 20:59 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: do you have data? | Jan 25 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | it costs more in fossil fuels to tend the fields and refine it than just running that many cars on that much gas | Jan 25 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | all over Google :) | Jan 25 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | making cars more energy efficient should be the primary goal | Jan 25 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | not running gas guzzlers on corn alcohol | Jan 25 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | there's no way for that to ever pay for itself either | Jan 25 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | without the heavy corn subsidies and with the imposition of gasoline taxes, E-85 would be much more expensive than a gallon of gas | Jan 25 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | I'll bet E-85 would be $3.50 a gallon to gasoline at $2.80 a gallon, the the side effect that E-85 reduces your mileage by 27% as well | Jan 25 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | so you'd have to pay $4.45 to run your car as far as $2.80 in gas, MinceR | Jan 25 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | that's why E-85 would die fast in a fair fight | Jan 25 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | and my car would not get 22 miles per gallon, it would get about 16 | Jan 25 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | it's really just that you have to take the energy potential of a gallon of each into account | Jan 25 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | they also love it because it lets them throw in some REALLY substandard gas into the E-85 which would otherwise make your engine knock and ping, if it ran at all | Jan 25 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | and the alcohol raises the octane level enough to avoid that | Jan 25 21:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Spreads Microsoft Inside #GNU #Linux Whereas #LINA Spreads *NIX Inside #Windows http://ur1.ca/knrm | Jan 25 21:06 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Novell Spreads Microsoft Inside GNU/Linux Whereas LINA Spreads GNU/Linux Inside Windows | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 105.53 KB | Jan 25 21:06 |
| schestowitz | [20:59] <Omar87__> Man! This Ubuntu Developer Weel is awesome! | Jan 25 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Good. | Jan 25 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I just really could not be more against E-85, if Indiana and the Feds refunded taxpayer money that they subsidize this shit with, I would be standing here with a check for about $500 I'll bet | Jan 25 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | along with everyone else in the state | Jan 25 21:08 |
| Omar87__ | Week* | Jan 25 21:08 |
| MinceR | ic | Jan 25 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Now, there is one way to make E-85 that I agree with | Jan 25 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | fast growing weeds and vegetation, switchgrass, etc. | Jan 25 21:09 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jan 25 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | stuff that grows by itself and doesn't really need tending | Jan 25 21:09 |
| MinceR | but what you said implies that's not what the government is subsidizing | Jan 25 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | it's not | Jan 25 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | the government is subsidizing corn and other food grade crops | Jan 25 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | which should never be allowed | Jan 25 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | if they subsidize food, it should be sold as food | Jan 25 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | not used in a scam to inflate food prices | Jan 25 21:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hello 1984! http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/23/cctv-sky-police-plan-drones | Jan 25 21:11 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: If you told me the government was subsidizing a reasonable amount of land that is not suitable to grow food on, in order to plant fast growing switchgrass to make ethanol out of, I would not be opposed to that | Jan 25 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | it's not the case though | Jan 25 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | and it would actually produce more ethanol than the yield of corn that a similar size tract of land could sustain | Jan 25 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | so it's all good and very little bad, for taxpayers, motorists, but not for the corn growers | Jan 25 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | the corn growers want corn to be more scarce and more valuable | Jan 25 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | it would be like the people who sell gold, they have every reason to want it to be in short supply | Jan 25 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | less gold = more money for selling less gold | Jan 25 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | it would be like asking a car dealer if he'd like to make twice as much by selling half the cars | Jan 25 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | what do you think? | Jan 25 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: http://madhatter.ca/?p=198 you should be in touch with Mad Hatter... maybe.... or sub' to his blog | Jan 25 21:16 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: No Proroge Demonstration Pictures Part 2 « Through the Looking Glass .::. Size~: 22.11 KB | Jan 25 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | but in corn's case, it's a conspiracy among the corn growers | Jan 25 21:16 |
| schestowitz | To save the films | Jan 25 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Oh wait :-) | Jan 25 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | and should raise an anti-trust lawsuit against the growers | Jan 25 21:16 |
| schestowitz | The CornCartel(R) | Jan 25 21:17 |
| schestowitz | KillerCorn.org | Jan 25 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Hey, DaemonFC | Jan 25 21:17 |
| schestowitz | You're an audiophile... | Jan 25 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | yes? | Jan 25 21:17 |
| schestowitz | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/01/25/1758218/Bach-Launches-Updated-MP3-Format | Jan 25 21:17 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot Technology Story | Bach Launches Updated MP3 Format .::. Size~: 146.3 KB | Jan 25 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Assessment? | Jan 25 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | not another one | Jan 25 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | wasn't MP3HD enough of a lol? | Jan 25 21:18 |
| schestowitz | We need MORE choice | Jan 25 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Then we can bloat up the OS with more codecs | Jan 25 21:18 |
| schestowitz | And more patches for each | Jan 25 21:18 |
| MinceR | we don't need more tweaked versions of mp3, though :> | Jan 25 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Cause of patents | Jan 25 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | illegally downloaded files remain........just like they are now!!!!! HORRROORRRRR!!! | Jan 25 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | PANIC!!! | Jan 25 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Each company wants a place in the patent pools (extortion/welfare) | Jan 25 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | you don't have them sending you crap and spam | Jan 25 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | nuts | Jan 25 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Nokia opposes Ogg cause apparently it has mpeg tax to collect | Jan 25 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | Nokia is pushing AAC | Jan 25 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | has been for years now | Jan 25 21:19 |
| MinceR | that's mpeg too, iirc | Jan 25 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Nokia is dying :-) | Jan 25 21:20 |
| schestowitz | IMHO | Jan 25 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Like a dinosaur | Jan 25 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | yes, MPEG-4 and the alleged successor to MP3 | Jan 25 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | you'd never know it though :) | Jan 25 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Slow decline of the heavyweight | Jan 25 21:20 |
| MinceR | they do have a few ideas that could lead to survival | Jan 25 21:20 |
| MinceR | if only they'd make up their mind on what they want | Jan 25 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: AAC is a disappointment, it's not that much better than MP3 in practice | Jan 25 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | but it renews their patents | Jan 25 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | that's the main purpose of it | Jan 25 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | the bitstream format works out a lot of MP3 shortcomings, but the encoders have not been all that impressive | Jan 25 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | Nero still loses out toe LAME MP3 quite consistently | Jan 25 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | LAME works out pretty much every typical MP3 problem that wouldn't result in breaking the bitstream format | Jan 25 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | so MP3 and AAC have opposing problems that render neither of them as clearly superior | Jan 25 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | Vorbis has a good format and good encoder | Jan 25 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | so you can clearly tell a difference | Jan 25 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | AAC in theory could improve, but it hasn't happened in 10 years and I don't think it's imminent | Jan 25 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | FAAC was probably the only hope of it becoming worth using but the developers got hired by Nero and FAAC has been abandoned | Jan 25 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | FAAC is still what you get if you install AAC encoding support on Linux | Jan 25 21:25 |
| schestowitz | I would like to see x-ians like Bill O'Reilly respond to this: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=early-human-population-size-genetic-diversity | Jan 25 21:26 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Endangered Species: Humans Might Have Faced Extinction 1 Million Years Ago: Scientific American .::. Size~: 95.72 KB | Jan 25 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | FAAD2 is a good decoder though, so you won't have any problem listening to the files on Linux, but I'd discourage trying to make more of them | Jan 25 21:26 |
| schestowitz | "Oh no!!!!1 I didn't not come from monkey sex!!" | Jan 25 21:26 |
| cubezzz | x-ians? | Jan 25 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Why in the hell would anyone want "additional content" | Jan 25 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | you have the album, and the covers | Jan 25 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | they think BD-Live is a great idea too | Jan 25 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | it's really like, blow me I don;t care | Jan 25 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 25 21:27 |
| cubezzz | I find the Dodo interesting actually | Jan 25 21:28 |
| schestowitz | INNOVA~1 buzzword again.... http://www.xconomy.com/national/2010/01/25/the-apple-paradox-how-a-company-thats-so-closed-can-foster-so-much-open-innovation/ | Jan 25 21:28 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Apple Paradox: How a Company Thats So Closed Can Foster So Much Open Innovation | Xconomy .::. Size~: 83.67 KB | Jan 25 21:28 |
| cubezzz | you wonder how long the Dodo survived just fine then some sailors come along and manage to kill every last one of them | Jan 25 21:28 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: just shorthand for christian | Jan 25 21:29 |
| cubezzz | ah right | Jan 25 21:29 |
| schestowitz | He's also a crusader | Jan 25 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Pro-Iraq war and all | Jan 25 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Thus the x | Jan 25 21:29 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: I reckon dodos were kind of yummy :-) | Jan 25 21:30 |
| schestowitz | "Tastes like chicken....." | Jan 25 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: a few more MP3 patents expire this year I noticed | Jan 25 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 25 21:31 |
| cubezzz | I heard they tasted awful actually | Jan 25 21:31 |
| cubezzz | but who knows | Jan 25 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Here comes Linux to PS3 again: http://geohotps3.blogspot.com/2010/01/hello-hypervisor-im-geohot.html | Jan 25 21:31 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: On the PlayStation 3: Hello hypervisor, I'm geohot .::. Size~: 298.83 KB | Jan 25 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | MP3 is functionally public domain even though it's technically patent-encumbered | Jan 25 21:31 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: yes, they were all long dead | Jan 25 21:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] 2010 – the year of the ….. alternative? http://tinyurl.com/yz3emng #microsoft #linux #foss #apple | Jan 25 21:31 | |
| DaemonFC | it's hilarious | Jan 25 21:31 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: 2010 the year of the &.. alternative? « OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 36.96 KB | Jan 25 21:31 |
| schestowitz | You don't wanna eat fossils | Jan 25 21:32 |
| cubezzz | someone could have written about it schestowitz | Jan 25 21:32 |
| cubezzz | 16th century I think | Jan 25 21:32 |
| schestowitz | How do you write about taste? | Jan 25 21:32 |
| cubezzz | a relatively recent extinction | Jan 25 21:32 |
| cubezzz | well you could say it tasted good or gross | Jan 25 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, if they have DNA they can maybe bring back those animals in the future | Jan 25 21:32 |
| cubezzz | it was like ...... | Jan 25 21:32 |
| cubezzz | frogs/pigs/dog/cow | Jan 25 21:33 |
| schestowitz | I tried only cow | Jan 25 21:33 |
| schestowitz | They say dogs taste like chicken IIRC | Jan 25 21:33 |
| cubezzz | cow/turkey/chicken/veal :) | Jan 25 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Some countries eat puppies | Jan 25 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I did some looking, and that patent that FhG said Vorbis was infringint on back in 2004, expires in October | Jan 25 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | they're full of shit or they'd have sued by now | Jan 25 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | *infringing | Jan 25 21:34 |
| cubezzz | sorry, I'm wrong, it was 15th century | Jan 25 21:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/23/AR2010012300796.html | Jan 25 21:35 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Pope to priests: Go forth and blog - washingtonpost.com .::. Size~: 85.53 KB | Jan 25 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Interesting. | Jan 25 21:35 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe the religions need to recruit in new ways | Jan 25 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Atheism doubled IIRC in the US over the past decade | Jan 25 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Based on a poll | Jan 25 21:35 |
| cubezzz | "However, journals are full of reports regarding the bad taste and tough meat of the dodo, while other local species such as the Red Rail were praised for their taste." | Jan 25 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Use PGP BTW: http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/01/23/schneier.google.hacking/index.html | Jan 25 21:37 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: U.S. enables Chinese hacking of Google - CNN.com .::. Size~: 50.23 KB | Jan 25 21:37 |
| schestowitz | The fascists are taking over :-p | Jan 25 21:38 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: so the dodo is just a piece of meat now..... | Jan 25 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Maybe when whales are extinct people will remember it by the taste of their blubber | Jan 25 21:38 |
| cubezzz | not even that | Jan 25 21:39 |
| cubezzz | just a skeleton | Jan 25 21:39 |
| cubezzz | with maybe traces of muscle | Jan 25 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Yeah... but we have good photos now | Jan 25 21:41 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: DVD players are finally losing market share http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1588475/dvd-players-finally-losing-market-share | Jan 25 21:41 |
| cubezzz | http://animals.howstuffworks.com/extinct-animals/dodo.htm | Jan 25 21:41 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: HowStuffWorks "Could scientists resurrect the dodo bird?" .::. Size~: 56.23 KB | Jan 25 21:41 |
| cubezzz | they might be seeing blu-ray players below cost | Jan 25 21:43 |
| cubezzz | selling | Jan 25 21:43 |
| cubezzz | phase out dvd and get people to switch to blu-ray with it's stronger copy protection | Jan 25 21:44 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: ta for the link | Jan 25 21:47 |
| schestowitz | You know what upsets me? What Carlin said about extinctions | Jan 25 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Some people agree /w him | Jan 25 21:47 |
| schestowitz | These animals are each more wonderful than anything we evr created | Jan 25 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Small bacteria too... smarter than microchips | Jan 25 21:47 |
| schestowitz | And you can't randomly make them from NDA | Jan 25 21:48 |
| schestowitz | It takes many iterations of trial and error | Jan 25 21:48 |
| schestowitz | So once you lose continuity it's impossible to resotre | Jan 25 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Carlin is like, "who cares?" | Jan 25 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Let's just have 20 billion people on Earth or whatever.... who needs other species like our distant cousins the trees? | Jan 25 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I noticed, people are stupid | Jan 25 21:49 |
| Omar87__ | http://www.mytomatosoup.net/news/ubuntu-developer-week.-the-spirit-of-ubuntu | Jan 25 21:49 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: mytomatosoup .::. Size~: 14.62 KB | Jan 25 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | think that a few more lines of resolution is worth 10 more layers of DRM | Jan 25 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Geico drops you if you have epilepsy | Jan 25 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like to know how they'd find that out | Jan 25 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Oh man!!!!!!! | Jan 25 21:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #UbuntuDeveloperWeek. The Spirit of #Ubuntu! http://tinyurl.com/ycg3aqt | Jan 25 21:56 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Ubuntu Developer Week. The Spirit of Ubuntu! — mytomatosoup .::. Size~: 27.79 KB | Jan 25 21:56 |
| schestowitz | He's leaving.... | Jan 25 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Zonker. | Jan 25 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Just after Friedman. | Jan 25 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oink%27s_Pink_Palace#Trent_Reznor | Jan 25 22:02 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Oink's Pink Palace - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 74.92 KB | Jan 25 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | Trent Reznor criticized iTunes | Jan 25 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Jan 25 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | and admits to using a file sharing site | Jan 25 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2007/10/trent_reznor_and_saul_williams.html | Jan 25 22:03 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Trent Reznor and Saul Williams Discuss Their New Collaboration, Mourn OiNK -- Vulture .::. Size~: 70.54 KB | Jan 25 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | old news, first I've seen it though | Jan 25 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | " iTunes kind of feels like Sam Goody to me. I don't feel cool when I go there. I'm tired of seeing John Mayer's face pop up. I feel like I'm being hustled when I visit there, and I don't think their product is that great. DRM, low bit rate, etc." | Jan 25 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | rofl | Jan 25 22:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@tomcoates Absolutely beautiful house from A Single Man is up for sale: http://bit.ly/5WRp2U // Architect John Lautner was a genius :) | Jan 25 22:04 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Crosby Doe Associates .::. Size~: 19.93 KB | Jan 25 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Flickr is b0rkd | Jan 25 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Just here? | Jan 25 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/01/china-loves-ballmer-hates-google-rails-against-us.ars | Jan 25 22:11 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: China loves Ballmer, loathes Google, rails against US .::. Size~: 36.2 KB | Jan 25 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7017623721 | Jan 25 22:11 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: AOL Announces $36.5M Merger, Purchase Of Video Production Company | AHN .::. Size~: 14.74 KB | Jan 25 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | AOL is buying crap again | Jan 25 22:11 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SUSE is Being Abandoned, #OpenSUSE ’s community chief is leaving #Novell next week http://ur1.ca/knwk | Jan 25 22:15 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: SUSE is Being Abandoned | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 97.46 KB | Jan 25 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: says Nate Anderson? | Jan 25 22:17 |
| schestowitz | That Microsoft is a CHina ally is not new | Jan 25 22:17 |
| schestowitz | And women in China long for the sperm of a crminal from Microsoft, said a poll from some years ago | Jan 25 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Parallel universes | Jan 25 22:18 |
| schestowitz | / Diablo-D3 /daemonFOX/ | Jan 25 22:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Nationalism is a syphilis of the mind. | Jan 25 22:18 | |
| schestowitz | China can run over the US | Jan 25 22:19 |
| schestowitz | They have more troops and they also have underground cities and nuclear weapons | Jan 25 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Hillary is just arousing them | Jan 25 22:19 |
| schestowitz | "No loads for you!!!!!" | Jan 25 22:20 |
| Ender2070 | <schestowitz> - im in touch with mad hatter sometimes, and I keep forgetting he has this new site now :) | Jan 25 22:20 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@mparent77772 UN: Gaza in State of Physical, Psychological Collapse http://bit.ly/7QJy0w #gaza // application of shock doctrine | Jan 25 22:20 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: UN: Gaza in State of Physical, Psychological Collapse | Middle East | English .::. Size~: 69.86 KB | Jan 25 22:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @mparent77772 Tony Blair clinches lucrative hedge fund contract http://bit.ly/64t8nM // news from the Blair Watch Project #war #iraq #uk | Jan 25 22:22 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Tony Blair clinches lucrative hedge fund contract - Times Online .::. Size~: 98.87 KB | Jan 25 22:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/01/25/internet-explorer-losing-its-luster-in-europe | Jan 25 22:23 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Internet Explorer Losing its Luster in Europe? | WebProNews .::. Size~: 32.35 KB | Jan 25 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Ericsson cutting an extra 1,500 jobs < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8478301.stm > They must move to Linux faster | Jan 25 22:27 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 96.11 KB | Jan 25 22:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Interesting (if short) article about @seesawtv the UK internet streaming telly thing http://bit.ly/8K8REw #fb | Jan 25 22:29 | |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/01/fox-false-report-uncorrected/ | Jan 25 22:30 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Fox News leaves false report on Haiti uncorrected | Raw Story .::. Size~: 33.22 KB | Jan 25 22:30 |
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| ender2070_ | http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1wiMyX/www.egodialogues.com/words-language/huxley-orwell.php | Jan 25 22:44 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Aldous Huxley versus George Orwell - Words, Language & Poetry - Ego Dialogues - StumbleUpon .::. Size~: 8.33 KB | Jan 25 22:44 |
| ender2070_ | wicked comparison, lol | Jan 25 22:44 |
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| MinceR | mental note: i need to read Brave New World | Jan 25 22:49 |
| ender2070_ | yes, same here | Jan 25 22:50 |
| ender2070_ | i've seen quotes from it, and i've read 1984 | Jan 25 22:50 |
| schestowitz | ender2070_: excellent! | Jan 25 22:50 |
| schestowitz | http://sternlab.org/2010/01/asciiheart/ | Jan 25 22:51 |
| schestowitz | via http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/25/ascii-heart-necklace.html | Jan 25 22:51 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: ASCII heart necklace Boing Boing .::. Size~: 43.67 KB | Jan 25 22:51 |
| schestowitz | That's what geeks give their g/f or b/f | Jan 25 22:51 |
| ender2070_ | lol | Jan 25 22:52 |
| ender2070_ | I was in a public washroom, the sign for complaints had a 1337 phone number | Jan 25 22:52 |
| schestowitz | iLate sounds like a pile of rubbish: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/25/islate_fingerprints/ | Jan 25 22:57 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: iSlate leaves fingerprints all over the net • The Register .::. Size~: 22.6 KB | Jan 25 22:57 |
| schestowitz | IPhone OS *LOL* | Jan 25 22:57 |
| schestowitz | ENjoy the stupid UI on a $2000 small-ass tablet | Jan 25 22:57 |
| ender2070_ | lol | Jan 25 23:03 |
| schestowitz | The term Ballnux was popularised by BN...... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&c2coff=1&q=ballnux&aq=f&aql=&aqi=&oq= | Jan 25 23:03 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: ballnux - Google Search .::. Size~: 28.18 KB | Jan 25 23:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Successor to MP3 does less, worse, at higher price http://newstechnica.com/?p=1365 | Jan 25 23:10 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Successor to MP3 does less, worse, at higher price | NewsTechnica .::. Size~: 38.97 KB | Jan 25 23:10 |
| schestowitz | http://usesthis.com/ | Jan 25 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Nice. | Jan 25 23:13 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Setup .::. Size~: 14.04 KB | Jan 25 23:13 |
| MinceR | all the others are crApple cultists, though | Jan 25 23:13 |
| MinceR | i kind of wonder what RMS is doing on that site :> | Jan 25 23:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2010/jan/13/google-china-western-internet-freedom | Jan 25 23:15 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, it's a lot of Macheads and Web people | Jan 25 23:15 |
| schestowitz | But it's good that RMS is there | Jan 25 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Not just preaching to the chaoir | Jan 25 23:15 |
| schestowitz | *oir | Jan 25 23:15 |
| MinceR | well, at least the crApple cultists get a chance to see that not the entire world is an idiot box | Jan 25 23:15 |
| schestowitz | http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html | Jan 25 23:16 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Official Google Blog: A new approach to China .::. Size~: 86.75 KB | Jan 25 23:16 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: iDiot | Jan 25 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Not you. | Jan 25 23:16 |
| MinceR | i know :) | Jan 25 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Respect the "i" | Jan 25 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Pespek! | Jan 25 23:16 |
| MinceR | perspex? | Jan 25 23:16 |
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| schestowitz | Will this support gnu linux? http://www.pcworld.com/article/187594/hp_to_distribute_music_service_on_pcs_in_europe.html?tk=rss_news | Jan 25 23:21 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: HP to Distribute Music Service on PCs in Europe - PC World .::. Size~: 67.05 KB | Jan 25 23:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/187599/lenovo_closes_down_a_manufacturing_site_in_india.html?tk=rss_news | Jan 25 23:21 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Lenovo Closes Down a Manufacturing Site in India - PC World .::. Size~: 67.9 KB | Jan 25 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Lenovo stinks, so this is OK | Jan 25 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Cultalk "We're just over 48 hours away from the grand unveiling on Wednesday when Apple......." http://www.pcworld.com/article/187602/10_best_bets_for_apples_latest_creation_event.html?tk=rss_news | Jan 25 23:23 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: 10 Best Bets for Apple's 'Latest Creation' Event - PC World .::. Size~: 84 KB | Jan 25 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Counting the hours..... | Jan 25 23:23 |
| MinceR | better make a "news" post every time the count of hours decreases... -_- | Jan 25 23:25 |
| schestowitz | No, IDG jus floods with repetitive nonsense | Jan 25 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Contentless | Jan 25 23:27 |
| schestowitz | As you'd imagine... cause the thing never started, so it's pure speculations and woirship | Jan 25 23:27 |
| Myfraudsoft | there is great Apple parody on youtube (from MadTV) | Jan 25 23:27 |
| schestowitz | s/woirship/whoreship/ | Jan 25 23:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.topix.net/science/computer-science/2010/01/apple-patent-application-two-fer-new-gesture-inputs-solar-powered-ipods | Jan 25 23:28 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Apple patent application two-fer: new gesture inputs, solar-powered iPods? - Topix .::. Size~: 43.89 KB | Jan 25 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Just patents to muddy it for Linux..... | Jan 25 23:29 |
| schestowitz | http://industry.bnet.com/technology/10004789/apple-multi-touch-patent-on-shaky-ground/ http://www.sustainablebusiness.com/index.cfm/go/news.display/id/19573 | Jan 25 23:29 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Apple Multi-Touch Patent on Shaky Ground | BNET Technology Blog | BNET .::. Size~: 86.28 KB | Jan 25 23:29 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Apple Patents Home Energy Management System .::. Size~: 35.93 KB | Jan 25 23:29 |
| Myfraudsoft | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw2nkoGLhrE | Jan 25 23:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100125152508615 | Jan 25 23:30 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Groklaw - Notice of Agenda for SCO Bankruptcy Hearing on the 27th .::. Size~: 22.78 KB | Jan 25 23:30 |
| schestowitz | "Judge Gross " | Jan 25 23:30 |
| cubezzz | appropriate | Jan 25 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Jan 25 23:31 |
| schestowitz | See video | Jan 25 23:31 |
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| cubezzz | can someone try http://cubezzz.homelinux.org/drupal | Jan 25 23:53 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Domain of the Cube Forum | Cube lovers returns .::. Size~: 31.71 KB | Jan 25 23:53 |
| cubezzz | and tell me if it's blocked for them? | Jan 25 23:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/01/ubuntuone-being-ported-to-windows.html | Jan 25 23:54 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: UbuntuOne Being Ported To Windows | OMG! Ubuntu! .::. Size~: 106.44 KB | Jan 25 23:54 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu products for in32 | Jan 25 23:54 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: not blocked | Jan 25 23:55 |
| cubezzz | ok | Jan 25 23:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/22/twitter_account_hijacking/ | Jan 25 23:57 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Amateur goof makes Twitter account hijacking a snap • The Register .::. Size~: 21.14 KB | Jan 25 23:57 |
| schestowitz | ""This is not Adobe's fault," Bailey told El Reg. "This is due to the fact that a lot of really bad programmers are coding Flash objects. I've seen literally hundreds of these things across the web."" | Jan 25 23:57 |
| cubezzz | this guy is sayin trend micro is blocking my site | Jan 25 23:59 |
| cubezzz | is trend micro blocking web pages now? | Jan 25 23:59 |
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