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| MinceR | i'm sure a little more bloat will make everything work better on low-powered mobile devices... oh, wait | Jan 28 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | There are 75 million Twitter users http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1589058/there-75-million-twitter-users | Jan 28 00:00 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* Microsoft nearly confirms Zune phone http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1588735/microsoft-nearly-confirms-zune-phone | Jan 28 00:02 |
| schestowitz | You don't make s/t good by mixing two s**ts | Jan 28 00:02 |
| schestowitz | Zune and WInMob | Jan 28 00:02 |
| MinceR | to some, it doesn't matter that it isn't good | Jan 28 00:03 |
| cubezzz | Zune and WinBlob ftl! | Jan 28 00:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS will not give up on WinMO as a cellphone platform, even though it knows its hopeless. The PR will continue for that, but the real goal is CE on ARM, Mips, etc | Jan 28 00:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cringely.com/2010/01/apple-tablet-twit/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ICringely+%28I%2C+Cringely%29 | Jan 28 00:04 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: I, Cringely » Blog Archive » Apple Tablet Twit! - Cringely on technology .::. Size~: 71.75 KB | Jan 28 00:04 |
| schestowitz | "Yes, it’s true… I’ve been beta testing the Apple tablet for the past two weeks and it’s amazing!" | Jan 28 00:04 |
| schestowitz | They gave schwag??? | Jan 28 00:04 |
| MinceR | or he's lying | Jan 28 00:05 |
| MinceR | doesn't really matter which, does it? :> | Jan 28 00:05 |
| schestowitz | If he got it for free ahead of time...... | Jan 28 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Well, he did obviously | Jan 28 00:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | As such, WinMO/CE will continue to lose money. It will be a drain on MS resources and profit. | Jan 28 00:05 |
| schestowitz | It was off the market | Jan 28 00:05 |
| MinceR | strange, WP says it's IPS, cringely says it's OLED | Jan 28 00:05 |
| MinceR | lol @ "reads fingerprints for security" | Jan 28 00:06 |
| schestowitz | Chomium is based on Ubuntu | Jan 28 00:07 |
| schestowitz | Will it use Bong? ;-) | Jan 28 00:07 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: so you need finger to use it | Jan 28 00:08 |
| schestowitz | "I'll take 10!" | Jan 28 00:08 |
| schestowitz | US PR: http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/01/26/haiti.flying.radio/index.html | Jan 28 00:08 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Flying radio station broadcasts help to Haiti - CNN.com .::. Size~: 51.92 KB | Jan 28 00:08 |
| schestowitz | After all they had to /to/ Haiti....... | Jan 28 00:09 |
| MinceR | 010452 < schestowitz> Will it use Bong? ;-) | Jan 28 00:09 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 28 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Now it's PR time... doing 'for' Haiti | Jan 28 00:09 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: "I was like sooo high after using teh bong........" | Jan 28 00:09 |
| schestowitz | "I nearly pissed in my own pants..." | Jan 28 00:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] are Apple doing their own DRM'd eBook format which only works on their device? it wouldn't be like them eh? | Jan 28 00:11 | |
| MinceR | don't they already have DRMed eBooks? DefectiveByDesign's chart seems to suggest that they do | Jan 28 00:12 |
| schestowitz | I've used plain PDF on my Palm for ages | Jan 28 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Apple take people backwards | Jan 28 00:16 |
| schestowitz | It won't work | Jan 28 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Just as it failed for the recording cartel | Jan 28 00:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Another way to look at Ubuntu being paid by MS to switch to Bing (Yahoo) as default. Ubuntu may need the cash, as Shuttleworth leaving may also mean he donates less cash. MS is also if fact by paying Ubuntu to switch, is admitting in a way, that Ubuntu has lots of users, and it needs them to beat Google. Sort of gives false to the 1% claim when you think about it. | Jan 28 00:16 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | M$ only uses its old playbook, pay for default switches, try to embed the default in Windows, and in updates, etc. Problem is for MS, the old playbook is not working so well anymore. | Jan 28 00:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS cannot innovate, never has, no matter how much they lie about it. | Jan 28 00:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | People do not like Bing, no matter how much. how often you change the name. Even if you call it "Yahoo" search, its still Bing. | Jan 28 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft did this with OEM | Jan 28 00:23 |
| schestowitz | It was found guilty of breaking the law | Jan 28 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Maybe settled to avoid conviction | Jan 28 00:23 |
| schestowitz | But there are accurate description of how they made COmpq, for example, put Netscape away | Jan 28 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: they need the Yahoo thing to spy | Jan 28 00:24 |
| schestowitz | This is how they refine results | Jan 28 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | So users of Yahoo!'s become the garbils to Ballmer | Jan 28 00:24 |
| schestowitz | *gerbil | Jan 28 00:24 |
| schestowitz | jono left | Jan 28 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Maybe offended | Jan 28 00:24 |
| schestowitz | *LMAO* http://www.techworld.com.au/article/334029/news_leak_confirms_apple_tablet_will_run_iphone_os?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1 | Jan 28 00:25 |
| schestowitz | GarbageOS | Jan 28 00:25 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: News Leak Confirms Apple Tablet Will Run iPhone OS - Apple tablet, iPhone, OS - Techworld .::. Size~: 50.75 KB | Jan 28 00:25 |
| schestowitz | Useless for almost everything | Jan 28 00:26 |
| schestowitz | No control, no features | Jan 28 00:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techworld.com.au/article/333946/wired_business_shrinks_verizon_expects_13_000_job_cuts?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1 | Jan 28 00:26 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: As wired business shrinks, Verizon expects 13,000 job cuts - job cuts, verizon - Techworld .::. Size~: 47.85 KB | Jan 28 00:26 |
| schestowitz | Maybe this is why they sold out to Bong [sic] | Jan 28 00:26 |
| schestowitz | $500,000,000 to move away from Google, reportedly (The Register) | Jan 28 00:27 |
| schestowitz | IDG promotes the notion that we onyl had a recession | Jan 28 00:27 |
| schestowitz | And there there is after "the recssion" | Jan 28 00:27 |
| schestowitz | By lulling people they play a dangerous game | Jan 28 00:28 |
| schestowitz | They ignore the fact that companies continue to implode and foreclosures accelerate | Jan 28 00:28 |
| schestowitz | This is just irresponsible reporting | Jan 28 00:28 |
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| dyfet | http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000533636 | Jan 28 00:30 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: EIM: We refused Microsoft's orgies and paid for it .::. Size~: 37.39 KB | Jan 28 00:30 |
| dyfet | I just loved the title ;) But it is also a very serious story | Jan 28 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Hahaha | Jan 28 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Excellent | Jan 28 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | maybe this is what Paul Allen made those cruises for, never disclosing why he visits the Israeli cost | Jan 28 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | /sarcasm | Jan 28 00:32 |
| schestowitz | He did deny the media | Jan 28 00:32 |
| dyfet | Capt. Allen of the Microsoft love boat? ;) | Jan 28 00:39 |
| dyfet | But it is a story consistent with the institutional corrupt business practices of Microsoft, which is why I noted it | Jan 28 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Jan 28 00:47 |
| schestowitz | Well.. | Jan 28 00:47 |
| schestowitz | I need to find the ref | Jan 28 00:47 |
| schestowitz | I also recall an incident from 2 years ago | Jan 28 00:47 |
| schestowitz | Some sex calls form MS HQ or somewhere in same building | Jan 28 00:47 |
| schestowitz | Brother or somthing | Jan 28 00:47 |
| schestowitz | It was on InfoWeek | Jan 28 00:47 |
| schestowitz | /Brother/Brothel/ | Jan 28 00:47 |
| schestowitz | dyfet: how did you come across it? | Jan 28 00:48 |
| schestowitz | I usually collect MS news on Sunday afternoons... probably would have found it later | Jan 28 00:48 |
| dyfet | It was mentioned by someone on groklaw | Jan 28 00:48 |
| dyfet | The few places that carry the story seem to all refer back to the original article in globes | Jan 28 00:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzkyOA | Jan 28 00:58 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: [Phoronix] Adobe Rants Over Linux Video Acceleration APIs .::. Size~: 17.73 KB | Jan 28 00:58 |
| schestowitz | Here they go again | Jan 28 00:58 |
| schestowitz | dyfet: what else references it? | Jan 28 00:59 |
| schestowitz | I suppose I could look that up | Jan 28 00:59 |
| dyfet | Well, a google search on "eim microsoft suit drugs" gives lots of hits, but all refer back to the original globes story | Jan 28 00:59 |
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| schestowitz | Does it still use a lot of mono like gnome-do: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/linux-mint-helena.html | Jan 28 01:01 |
| schestowitz | THis one won't experiment with bong | Jan 28 01:01 |
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| Spreadsheet_ | I'm going to need to take notes in class using my laptop. Should I use tomboy, or use something like Gnote that isn't mono? | Jan 28 01:05 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/27/ubuntu-and-msft-search/comment-page-2/#comment-79437 | Jan 28 01:10 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Why Ubuntu GNU/Linux Should Not Make Microsoft Even Stronger | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 121.5 KB | Jan 28 01:10 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft has eliminated Linspire/Xandros and I worry that we should try to help Ubuntu rather than bin it. Ubuntu’s deal — unlike Novell’s and Linspire’s and Xandros’ — does not in any direct way harm other distributors of GNU/Linux." | Jan 28 01:10 |
| schestowitz | Spreadsheet_: we have a list, hold on... | Jan 28 01:10 |
| schestowitz | Here is the list: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Mono_Applications | Jan 28 01:11 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Mono Applications - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 21.59 KB | Jan 28 01:11 |
| schestowitz | It shows you substitutes | Jan 28 01:11 |
| Spreadsheet_ | I heard that ubuntu is actually considering using "solang" instead of fspot | Jan 28 01:11 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: good news abut gnome | Jan 28 01:11 |
| Spreadsheet_ | They aren't replacing GIMP with Fsport | Jan 28 01:11 |
| Spreadsheet_ | *fspot | Jan 28 01:11 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: http://www.the-source.com/2010/01/checking-in-on-the-gnome-foundation/ | Jan 28 01:11 |
| Spreadsheet_ | They are replacing GIMP with Pitivi | Jan 28 01:11 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Checking in on the GNOME Foundation « The Source.com .::. Size~: 34.34 KB | Jan 28 01:11 |
| schestowitz | Spreadsheet_: when they proposed removed (Rick from Microsoft//Ubuntu) fspot was named | Jan 28 01:12 |
| schestowitz | It's good that they add something different, but fspot probably stays | Jan 28 01:12 |
| schestowitz | They also employed the gnome-do dev | Jan 28 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Canonical pays him | Jan 28 01:12 |
| schestowitz | SO they could sooner or later preinstall it | Jan 28 01:12 |
| Spreadsheet_ | They employed the Gnome-Do dev? Where? | Jan 28 01:13 |
| Spreadsheet_ | And how does using permissive licenses allow for patents? | Jan 28 01:14 |
| schestowitz | Spreadsheet_: I could find you the blog post | Jan 28 01:15 |
| schestowitz | I can't find that now, but I wrote about it at one stage... http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/12/canonical-hires-novell-moya/ | Jan 28 01:16 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Canonical Hires Noveller, Job Probably Wont Include Mono | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 106.15 KB | Jan 28 01:16 |
| schestowitz | Around July IIRC | Jan 28 01:16 |
| schestowitz | 2009 | Jan 28 01:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/01/27/yahoo-calls-on-grad-students-to-improve-internet?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+WebpronewsTopNewsRssFeed+%28Top+News+Items+-+WebProNews%29 | Jan 28 01:18 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Yahoo Calls On Grad Students To Improve Internet | WebProNews .::. Size~: 31.99 KB | Jan 28 01:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/01/26/youtube-movie-rental-experiment-fails-so-far?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+WebpronewsTopNewsRssFeed+%28Top+News+Items+-+WebProNews%29 | Jan 28 01:19 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: YouTube Movie Rental Experiment Fails (So Far) | WebProNews .::. Size~: 34.13 KB | Jan 28 01:19 |
| schestowitz | Good | Jan 28 01:19 |
| schestowitz | drm | Jan 28 01:19 |
| schestowitz | time expiry | Jan 28 01:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itnews.com.au/News/165517,antarctic-network-caretakers-in-demand.aspx | Jan 28 01:21 |
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| Ender2070 | hehe | Jan 28 02:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkzSs88iuEU&NR=1 | Jan 28 02:20 |
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| DaemonFC | relax guys.....I'm from the government and I'm here to help. ;) | Jan 28 03:01 |
| *schestowitz ducks under table | Jan 28 03:04 | |
| schestowitz | My sleeping cycles got b0rked | Jan 28 03:04 |
| schestowitz | I get tired at 6am | Jan 28 03:04 |
| DaemonFC | good thing it's 10 PM | Jan 28 03:05 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Jan 28 03:05 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I still want Indiana to ban daylight savings time again | Jan 28 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | we didn't ever change the clocks until I was like 22 years old | Jan 28 03:06 |
| schestowitz | No self-correction? | Jan 28 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | still can't get used to it | Jan 28 03:06 |
| schestowitz | "@glynmoody she always writes there. IIRC used to write for some MSFT magazine" | Jan 28 03:07 |
| schestowitz | Perez | Jan 28 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Indiana is weird, we're in two different time zones, only like, 81 counties are in Eastern and 11 are in Central | Jan 28 03:07 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft infiltrations | Jan 28 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | so the counties that are now in Eastern never observed DST til 2006 | Jan 28 03:07 |
| schestowitz | DST broke Windows in 2007 IIRC | Jan 28 03:08 |
| schestowitz | Maybe 2008. | Jan 28 03:08 |
| schestowitz | No, 2007... | Jan 28 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | while some near the Illinois and Kentucky border did | Jan 28 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | maybe it broke it in 2008 and it went back and thought it was 2007 | Jan 28 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | or maybe it happens again and it throws us back into 2008 and so many people use Windows that they just go along with it | Jan 28 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | and maybe we put Bush back into office cause of it and have to go through the election again | Jan 28 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | scary isn't it? | Jan 28 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: my mom had to learn a kiosk system running Windows XP today | Jan 28 03:12 |
| schestowitz | I go based on feel cause I wrote a lot about it | Jan 28 03:12 |
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| schestowitz | I have about 6 references on it | Jan 28 03:12 |
| schestowitz | Servers went cuckoo if they ran WIndows | Jan 28 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | it was freezing up and crashing so much that she ended up getting two hours overtime waiting on them to fix it so the class could proceed | Jan 28 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | turns out it was the same kiosk system I was using when I worked in that nursing home | Jan 28 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | I told her to just hold in the power button until it shuts off and then press the power button to turn it back on | Jan 28 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I can't believe anyone would be stupid enough to buy a brand new kiosk system for a massive nursing home like that and run it on fucking Windows XP | Jan 28 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | and you know it must have cost a fortune | Jan 28 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | Dilbert | Jan 28 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | that's all I'm going to say is.....Dilbert | Jan 28 03:23 |
| Ender2070 | schestowitz - according to statistics canada, more people are dying than being born - and immigration alone has accounted for population growth | Jan 28 03:25 |
| Ender2070 | in Canada | Jan 28 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | cool | Jan 28 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | eventually the US plot of slipping drugs into Canada that cause sterility will be complete | Jan 28 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | we can wait for the population to die off and then take the land and resources for ourselves | Jan 28 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | Bush's idea I'm sure | Jan 28 03:27 |
| Ender2070 | the birthrate has declined since 1991 | Jan 28 03:27 |
| Ender2070 | the deathrate has gone up | Jan 28 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | Bush Sr. | Jan 28 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | muahahahahaha | Jan 28 03:27 |
| Ender2070 | "population control" in canada is pointless | Jan 28 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, we're beaming bozo rays into your brains | Jan 28 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | making you go crazy and eviscerate yourselves | Jan 28 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | it's all going to plan | Jan 28 03:28 |
| *DaemonFC rubs his hands together like a mad scientist | Jan 28 03:29 | |
| Ender2070 | alright Rush Limbaugh | Jan 28 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | nah, I'm not Rush Limbaugh | Jan 28 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not 400 pounds and buying oxycontin in a Denny's parking lot in cigar boxes | Jan 28 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | I'm also not on AM radio, which most normal people don't know exists | Jan 28 03:30 |
| Ender2070 | one weird/interesting statistic: immigration and emmigration numbers are identical - meaning they must have a cap on who can leave the country | Jan 28 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: Mind teaching ICE how to do that? | Jan 28 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | If I was President, you'd see a crackdown like you've never seen before | Jan 28 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | I'd issue an executive order to have the US Marshals, ICE, and the FBI out doing raids | Jan 28 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | all day every day | Jan 28 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | suspend the War on Drugs and retask the agents to immigration | Jan 28 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | march them out by the thousands | Jan 28 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | opens up jobs, gets rid of drug smugglers, gets rid of criminals who commit border skirmishes | Jan 28 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | you know, like, the ones that come here and rape and murder US citizens and then we let the bastards go because it's not politically correct to charge them with crimes for the felonies they commit | Jan 28 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | the ones that cross the border carrying drugs and get into shootouts with sheriffs and deputies on this side of the border | Jan 28 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | you never hear about that shit, not even Fox Noise will touch it | Jan 28 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | it's getting to where there are so many of them here establishing generations of anchor babies, that even the Republicans are too afraid to piss them off | Jan 28 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: You want to talk about immigration problems? The Mexicans are getting ready to overwhelm black people in the US after only the last 30 years of the ongoing immigration problem. | Jan 28 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | their growth is nearly 100% due to unlawful immigration | Jan 28 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | http://marylousamerica.com/2009/07/15/dear-obama-im-moving-to-mexico-%E2%80%A6/ | Jan 28 03:40 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Dear Obama, Im moving to Mexico … « Marylous America .::. Size~: 23.8 KB | Jan 28 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | not original, but still funny | Jan 28 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | "9. I do plan to get a car and drive in Mexico, but I don’t plan to purchase car insurance, and I probably won’t make any special effort to learn local traffic laws." <----- lol | Jan 28 03:42 |
| Ender2070 | not saying its a problem | Jan 28 03:42 |
| Ender2070 | how else is the government going to get extra tax money if the population is going down | Jan 28 03:42 |
| Ender2070 | especially when they keep borrowing money from the world bank | Jan 28 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: We deport some Mexicans to Canada and they clean your toilets and pick your tomatos and spit in your fast food for less than your prevailing minimum wage | Jan 28 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure we can spare a few......million | Jan 28 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: World Bank loans are the national equivalent of going to a cash advance place | Jan 28 03:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | wheres the bo | Jan 28 03:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | t | Jan 28 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: From a Canadian perspective, maybe you can clue me in on something? And it might just be the way I'm perceiving this issue. | Jan 28 03:47 |
| Ender2070 | what | Jan 28 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | Does no other country even care about the national sovereignty they lose when doing business with the UN, WIPO, World Bank, International Criminal Court, World Health Organization, etc? | Jan 28 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | cause that's the way a lot of people rub me that aren't in the US | Jan 28 03:49 |
| Ender2070 | the US does the same thing | Jan 28 03:49 |
| Ender2070 | every country does it | Jan 28 03:49 |
| Ender2070 | its the plan | Jan 28 03:49 |
| DaemonFC | unfortunately | Jan 28 03:49 |
| Ender2070 | the UN is destined to run the world | Jan 28 03:49 |
| Ender2070 | it does right now behind the scenes | Jan 28 03:49 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like to see public beheading for all the people responsible for getting us involved in this and keeping us involved | Jan 28 03:50 |
| Ender2070 | all the building codes are drafted by them for instance | Jan 28 03:50 |
| Ender2070 | they keep updating the building codes so people in rural areas cant keep up | Jan 28 03:50 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: You know something messed up? Speaking of codes and permits. | Jan 28 03:50 |
| Ender2070 | ? | Jan 28 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | I had to get a building permit from the country to put up one of those prefabricated sheds in my back yard | Jan 28 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | *county | Jan 28 03:51 |
| Ender2070 | yeah? | Jan 28 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | pay them $100 to give me a piece of paper authorizing a little toolshed | Jan 28 03:51 |
| Ender2070 | did someone show up and tell you other stuff had to be updated? | Jan 28 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | no, they didn't | Jan 28 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | it does get better though | Jan 28 03:52 |
| Ender2070 | i've heard the UN even hires people to go around inspecting rural places and rats you out to your local government | Jan 28 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | they tried to include it in their assessment for my landlord's property taxes | Jan 28 03:52 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC +1 | Jan 28 03:52 |
| Ender2070 | its to push you out via fees | Jan 28 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they're going through telling people that their $50,000 home + lot is worth $100,000 for tax purposes | Jan 28 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | taxpayers in Indiana got some revenge though | Jan 28 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | ballot initiatives to fire township tax assessors and cap the property tax at 1% were passed into law | Jan 28 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | without the governor signing anything B-) | Jan 28 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | I voted for both initiatives | Jan 28 03:54 |
| Ender2070 | LOL | Jan 28 03:54 |
| Ender2070 | they'll simply skip a generation and try again | Jan 28 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | it's what happens when you push people entirely too far | Jan 28 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | enough to where they go figure out what their rights are | Jan 28 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | I think they expected people to just lay back and take their property taxes doubling | Jan 28 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | now the towns and cities all over the state are having to cut wasteful spending due to decreased tax revenues | Jan 28 03:56 |
| DaemonFC | it's a beautiful thing to watch | Jan 28 03:56 |
| DaemonFC | looking for ways to get money without pissing off the taxpayers | Jan 28 03:56 |
| Ender2070 | toronto just started cracking down on jaywalkers with $50 tickets for crossing | Jan 28 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | there's an interesting thing that's coming to the town I live in | Jan 28 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | called Nature's Fuel | Jan 28 03:57 |
| Ender2070 | one person got a ticket for crossing when the flashing hand was up | Jan 28 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | they take garbage and make some kind of natural gas out of it | Jan 28 03:57 |
| Ender2070 | i didnt know that was illegal | Jan 28 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: That would be an infraction | Jan 28 03:57 |
| Ender2070 | but yeah, they tried to say it was to save lives | Jan 28 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | it's to take your money | Jan 28 03:58 |
| Ender2070 | they had a special day where they monitored one crossing | Jan 28 03:58 |
| Ender2070 | they gave out 26 tickets | Jan 28 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | seat belt law = $50 fine now | Jan 28 03:58 |
| Ender2070 | im like "bullshit, its for funding the police dept" | Jan 28 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | don't buckle it, you get a ticket | Jan 28 03:58 |
| Ender2070 | if its for safety, they should donate the ticket money to a related charity | Jan 28 03:58 |
| Ender2070 | if they really cared | Jan 28 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | Mothers Against Street Crossing? | Jan 28 03:59 |
| Ender2070 | we had a seat belt law for a while | Jan 28 03:59 |
| Ender2070 | we just banned cell phone use while driving, i agree with that one :) | Jan 28 03:59 |
| Ender2070 | gotta have handsfree | Jan 28 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Indiana loves texting and it loves cigarettes | Jan 28 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | we're like the only state left where it's fashionable to smoke in family restaurants | Jan 28 04:00 |
| Ender2070 | our government had plans to get rid of health coverage for smokers | Jan 28 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | they should | Jan 28 04:00 |
| Ender2070 | it has a very high anti smoking agenda | Jan 28 04:00 |
| Ender2070 | which is good | Jan 28 04:00 |
| Ender2070 | its illegal to smoke within 50 feet of a building | Jan 28 04:00 |
| Ender2070 | fully illegal to smoke inside | Jan 28 04:00 |
| Ender2070 | anywhere | Jan 28 04:01 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: It's $100 fine for you and the owner of the bar/restaurant/whatever if you smoke inside the place in Fort Wayne | Jan 28 04:01 |
| Ender2070 | no such thing as smoking seating anymore | Jan 28 04:01 |
| DaemonFC | you have to be 20 feet away from any entrance | Jan 28 04:01 |
| Ender2070 | yeah its 50 feet from an entrance here | Jan 28 04:01 |
| Ender2070 | no smoking at all on public/government property | Jan 28 04:01 |
| Ender2070 | except sidewalks i think | Jan 28 04:01 |
| DaemonFC | the owner of After Dark, the bar I go to sometimes lets you go out on the back patio and smoke | Jan 28 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | hides you from the smoking inspector :P | Jan 28 04:02 |
| Ender2070 | the one bar had spent a huge chunk of cash making a smoke friendly bar, it had an insane ventilation system and everything | Jan 28 04:02 |
| Ender2070 | a month later its illegal to smoke inside, whatsoever | Jan 28 04:02 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Jan 28 04:02 |
| schestowitz | [03:25] <Ender2070> schestowitz - according to statistics canada, more people are dying than being born - and immigration alone has accounted for population growth | Jan 28 04:03 |
| schestowitz | That's not necessarily a bad thing | Jan 28 04:03 |
| schestowitz | Many nations struggle to /convince/ people to reduce birth rates | Jan 28 04:03 |
| Ender2070 | if overcrowding is a prob in canada, cut back on immigration | Jan 28 04:03 |
| schestowitz | Japan and Europe naturally do OK | Jan 28 04:03 |
| Ender2070 | birth rates have been going down for 20 years | Jan 28 04:03 |
| Ender2070 | death rates have been going up | Jan 28 04:03 |
| schestowitz | China apparently needs rules and enforcement | Jan 28 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: A lot of bars just ignore the law cause it's cheaper to pay the fines than lose the customers | Jan 28 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | it's a way for the city to milk people for fines | Jan 28 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | it's a tax | Jan 28 04:04 |
| Ender2070 | families used to have like 5-6 children, back in the 50s | Jan 28 04:04 |
| Ender2070 | now its averaging at 2 | Jan 28 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | some still do | Jan 28 04:05 |
| Ender2070 | and they are pushing 1 | Jan 28 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | Catholics and Mormons | Jan 28 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | Mormons with their 14 underaged teenage realative wives | Jan 28 04:05 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: trmanco has just returned to Canada | Jan 28 04:05 |
| schestowitz | He's a good lad | Jan 28 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | and Catholics just as fast as their monogamous marriage can expel and reload | Jan 28 04:06 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Jan 28 04:06 |
| Ender2070 | my point was | Jan 28 04:06 |
| Ender2070 | there is no reason to push having less kids in canada, as immigration is the only reason the population is going up | Jan 28 04:06 |
| schestowitz | Need it go up? | Jan 28 04:06 |
| Ender2070 | cut back on immigration would fix overcrowding | Jan 28 04:06 |
| schestowitz | It's not GDP | Jan 28 04:06 |
| schestowitz | And what's with growth of economy"? | Jan 28 04:06 |
| schestowitz | What does it mean? | Jan 28 04:06 |
| schestowitz | What is economy and money? | Jan 28 04:06 |
| schestowitz | They are not real assets | Jan 28 04:07 |
| schestowitz | The Earth absorbs energy | Jan 28 04:07 |
| schestowitz | We use it in different war | Jan 28 04:07 |
| schestowitz | Some is radiated back to space | Jan 28 04:07 |
| schestowitz | Money does not exist here | Jan 28 04:07 |
| schestowitz | It's man-made | Jan 28 04:07 |
| Ender2070 | Canada is the 2nd largest land mass in the world, with most of its land untapped, 32 million people focused on a few large cities | Jan 28 04:07 |
| schestowitz | And humans increasing in number is like bacteria expanding in a Petri dish | Jan 28 04:07 |
| Ender2070 | i dont doubt other countries might need to curb birth rates | Jan 28 04:07 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: cause it's cold | Jan 28 04:08 |
| Ender2070 | leave Canada alone! | Jan 28 04:08 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Jan 28 04:08 |
| schestowitz | ANd it takes energy to keep homo sapients in Canada | Jan 28 04:08 |
| Ender2070 | nah | Jan 28 04:08 |
| Ender2070 | we have so much energy we have to sell some of it to the americans | Jan 28 04:08 |
| schestowitz | Also food supplies in winter time | Jan 28 04:08 |
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| schestowitz | Energy has side-effects | Jan 28 04:09 |
| schestowitz | Like global dimming | Jan 28 04:09 |
| schestowitz | Then you can lose land, fauna and flora | Jan 28 04:09 |
| Ender2070 | LOL | Jan 28 04:09 |
| schestowitz | The Earth will always revolve around its axis and the Sun | Jan 28 04:09 |
| schestowitz | Almost always | Jan 28 04:09 |
| schestowitz | What's on Earth may change | Jan 28 04:09 |
| schestowitz | We could mess up the atmosphere and become like VEnus over time | Jan 28 04:10 |
| Ender2070 | ever heard of the concept "continuity of government" ? | Jan 28 04:10 |
| schestowitz | Most of the Earth is not even what we see | Jan 28 04:10 |
| schestowitz | Most of it is magma and stuff | Jan 28 04:10 |
| schestowitz | We're only seeing like maybe 5% of the planet | Jan 28 04:10 |
| schestowitz | ground to stratosphere | Jan 28 04:10 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Jan 28 04:10 |
| schestowitz | The most stuff is deep inside, matter included | Jan 28 04:11 |
| Ender2070 | some of the oceans haven't even had full exploration | Jan 28 04:11 |
| schestowitz | Big red giants would be fun to travel | Jan 28 04:11 |
| schestowitz | But too much gas | Jan 28 04:11 |
| schestowitz | It would probably take you some hundreds of years or travel in a 747 to just go around it once | Jan 28 04:12 |
| Ender2070 | maybe atlantis is at the bottom of one of the oceans | Jan 28 04:12 |
| schestowitz | What is Atlantis really? | Jan 28 04:12 |
| schestowitz | People in deep sea? | Jan 28 04:12 |
| schestowitz | Probably ugly and pale and weird | Jan 28 04:12 |
| schestowitz | I wouldn't want to see Atlantis | Jan 28 04:12 |
| schestowitz | People with gills and sperm like heads | Jan 28 04:13 |
| Ender2070 | it was supposedly some old advanced human civilization | Jan 28 04:14 |
| Ender2070 | a cataclysm had taken them out | Jan 28 04:14 |
| schestowitz | Any remnants? | Jan 28 04:14 |
| schestowitz | Like us..... we'd leave space debris | Jan 28 04:14 |
| Ender2070 | its one of those legends that hasn't been proven to be true yet | Jan 28 04:14 |
| schestowitz | Still circling us in piles of small rotten junk | Jan 28 04:15 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: where does the legend originate? | Jan 28 04:15 |
| Ender2070 | Plato | Jan 28 04:15 |
| schestowitz | I once heard this old legend about a dude who created us | Jan 28 04:15 |
| schestowitz | [04:14] <Ender2070> its one of those legends that hasn't been proven to be true yet | Jan 28 04:15 |
| schestowitz | This one.. neither | Jan 28 04:15 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Jan 28 04:15 |
| Ender2070 | some of the old civilizations refered to god as an alien | Jan 28 04:16 |
| schestowitz | What did Plato invent again? Or was he a philosopher? I can't recall | Jan 28 04:16 |
| Ender2070 | who modified them, not created | Jan 28 04:16 |
| schestowitz | I think Plato wrote some Greek stuff | Jan 28 04:16 |
| schestowitz | Maybe political too? | Jan 28 04:16 |
| schestowitz | Or was it the atom guy? I think not | Jan 28 04:16 |
| Ender2070 | Plato was a philosopher | Jan 28 04:16 |
| schestowitz | So he was not a scientist or explorer | Jan 28 04:17 |
| schestowitz | He wrote stuff | Jan 28 04:17 |
| schestowitz | It's like that Watt guy taking questions about Jesus | Jan 28 04:17 |
| schestowitz | ABout how he must have existed cause some people wrote about it | Jan 28 04:18 |
| schestowitz | That was ages ago | Jan 28 04:18 |
| schestowitz | Even the more recent Shakespeare we know was just plagiarising lots | Jan 28 04:18 |
| schestowitz | No wonder there are so many virgin moms and sons of the Sun | Jan 28 04:18 |
| Ender2070 | Shakesphere is alleged to be multiple authors | Jan 28 04:19 |
| schestowitz | Why need they be virgin anyway? | Jan 28 04:19 |
| schestowitz | Is the human anatomy so repulsive? | Jan 28 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I have no strong preference | Jan 28 04:20 |
| schestowitz | I think the urethra or ovary or something around there is word for "panic" in Greek | Jan 28 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | that's a religious hangup | Jan 28 04:20 |
| schestowitz | Penis means "Tail", IIRC | Jan 28 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: That episode of Futurama where Zoidberg reattaches Hermes' head backwards | Jan 28 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | "I thought you'd be happy, look your tail is wagging" | Jan 28 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 28 04:22 |
| schestowitz | I don't think I watched that episode | Jan 28 04:23 |
| schestowitz | But that was ages ago, I might just not remember it | Jan 28 04:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | hrm | Jan 28 04:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | the bot seems to be dead | Jan 28 04:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: fix the bot | Jan 28 04:29 |
| schestowitz | Oh both of them even | Jan 28 04:31 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] yummy pizza :D | Jan 28 04:32 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #TSA is a terrorist organization, yet again proven http://ur1.ca/ke09 | Jan 28 04:32 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] I've seen this before, but heres the 18 minute video about the world's most important drum loop http://ur1.ca/pt4 #awesome | Jan 28 04:32 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] http://www.hurr-durr.com/ *warning highly annoying stuff* :P enjoy!!! | Jan 28 04:32 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] FOSSEE site looks promising except the slides and videos are stored in non-free format. http://fossee.in/download | Jan 28 04:32 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Make Youtube use open media codecs http://bit.ly/53rMv2 | Jan 28 04:33 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Who contributes to linux kernel, Little weird to see 7% of contribution comes from 'unknown' people http://ow.ly/16pRM3 (via @linuxjournal) | Jan 28 04:33 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RT: @chadmccullough I see the lie dept at Microsoft is hard at work. http://tinyurl.com/mj38ly | Jan 28 04:33 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Will Idealism be Firefox's Downfall? - http://bit.ly/6qrJ9s surprisingly clueless piece ignores Free s/w (via @glynmoody) | Jan 28 04:33 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] idly+vada+poori+coconut water for breakfast and republic day school/college crowd on the streets + small walk+ cloudy chennai #ftw | Jan 28 04:37 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @schestowitz: #RedHat Launches New Site Based on #FreeSoftware ( #Drupal ) http://ur1.ca/kolr http://ur1.ca/kols | Jan 28 04:37 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] The truth about Duke Nukem Forever http://ur1.ca/korv #apple | Jan 28 04:37 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RT: @linuxnetbook: For those who need a working version of Windows http://michaelv.org.nyud.net/ | Jan 28 04:37 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] anyone else for 3D ?http://bit.ly/7SKsht | Jan 28 04:37 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] just became a member of the fsf! | Jan 28 04:37 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Tried to update emacs-goodies for !fedora; koji build failed for F13, some depsolving probs with glib2. Hope it will be fixed soon. | Jan 28 04:37 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] California school bans the English language http://ur1.ca/kpvt #douchebags | Jan 28 04:37 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[freemjd/@freemjd] Any chance of using http://ur1.ca/kqjc for @boycottnovell instead of putting it all in @schestowitz? Overwhelming. | Jan 28 04:37 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Mozilla #Weave doesn't work right on Linux PPC, apparently it has some binary blob crap in it; how lame | Jan 28 04:37 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Needless to say, I've ditched #Weave and gone back to #Xmarks which doesn't require useless binary crap | Jan 28 04:42 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Judge puts anti-terrorist freedom fighter in jail, I wish more people would fight terrorism at home http://ur1.ca/ks5x #scientology | Jan 28 04:42 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Ubuntu is a #Microsoft scam http://ur1.ca/kszv | Jan 28 04:42 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] updated emacs-goodies; Pushed it into fedora stable repository :-) #bugfix update | Jan 28 04:42 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] #nowplaying kaho na Pyar hai... good song :D | Jan 28 04:42 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] #nowplaying Peace Up! A town Down! #usher #ftw :D | Jan 28 04:42 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] c-x c-c good night! | Jan 28 04:42 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Apple #iPad comes with wifi only unless you pay extra for 3G, Wimax is not an option, only runs iPhone OS and its an ARM. What a failure. | Jan 28 04:42 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Seriously, what is #Apple smoking. No one wants a useless 10 inch iPhone that can't even make calls on most models. And 2 pounds? Seriously? | Jan 28 04:42 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Oh, and the #iPad costs $500 for the 3G-less model. What a rip off. | Jan 28 04:42 | |
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| Ender2070 | http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/jan2010/kell-j27.shtml | Jan 28 05:08 |
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| schestowitz | I hope to live to that day | Jan 28 05:09 |
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| schestowitz | If I live to be a hundred I might discover the truth | Jan 28 05:09 |
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| schestowitz | My priorities will have changed by then, though :-) | Jan 28 05:10 |
| schestowitz | On my death bed they'll tell you about that incident that happend when you were a teen | Jan 28 05:10 |
| schestowitz | Like telling a veteran something about World War 1... today. | Jan 28 05:10 |
| schestowitz | Even nuclear war (Cold War) secrets were not sealed for so long | Jan 28 05:11 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they'll store the investigation details in OOXML :0) | Jan 28 05:11 |
| schestowitz | That sure will make them rubbish within less than 10 years | Jan 28 05:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft and #GNU #Linux Don't Mix Well http://www.daniweb.com/news/post1111915.html | Jan 28 05:12 | |
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| Omar87 | Greetings all. | Jan 28 05:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux User Kicks #Netflix to the Curb http://ardchoille42.blogspot.com/2010/01/dear-netflix.html | Jan 28 05:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Basement Releases Nice New Episode http://ur1.ca/kv3o one of my fav shows | Jan 28 05:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Desktop #GNU #Linux a Good Choice to Many Computer Users http://ur1.ca/kv3s | Jan 28 05:13 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux and Good Employment Increasingly More Synonymous http://ur1.ca/kv3x http://ur1.ca/kv3y | Jan 28 05:14 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #China Builds Giant #GNU #Linux Servers That Cannot Run #Windows http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2010/01/enter-big-dragon.html | Jan 28 05:14 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Reviews and Raves About #GNU #Linux -Only Programs http://ur1.ca/kv46 http://ur1.ca/kv47 http://ur1.ca/kv48 | Jan 28 05:14 | |
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| schestowitz | Hi, Omar87 | Jan 28 05:14 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Hey. | Jan 28 05:15 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Someone wake me when I can get Android or ChromeOS tablets the same size that can actually multitask and cost $250 and not weigh a ton | Jan 28 05:17 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] This sums up how I feel about the #Apple #iPad http://ur1.ca/kupo | Jan 28 05:17 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] US Customs are legally allowed to perform terrorism against American Citizens while they cross the border http://ur1.ca/kurd | Jan 28 05:17 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Vimeo HTML5 player doesn't support the Vimeo HD channel (yet?), the most useful point of it (since Flash chokes on high res video) | Jan 28 05:17 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Australia hates Asian women http://ur1.ca/kv05 #douchebags #policestate | Jan 28 05:17 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] More on that #Australia sexist/racist bullshit http://ur1.ca/kv06 | Jan 28 05:17 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] A Day In Paris by Benoit Millot http://ur1.ca/kv2l !miotd | Jan 28 05:17 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android / #Linux Gets New Browser, Rogers Canada Cripples It http://ur1.ca/kv4x http://ur1.ca/kv4y | Jan 28 05:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another #Robot is #Linux Powered http://www.androidguys.com/2010/01/26/plen-robot-controlled-android/ | Jan 28 05:20 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Anticipated #Tablet is Finally Here, Running #Linux http://www.androidguys.com/2010/01/27/archos-7inch-tablet-leaked-features-webcam/ | Jan 28 05:21 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ARM Beats #x86 to the Punch and Sub-notebooks Run #GNU #Linux Distributions http://ur1.ca/kv55 http://ur1.ca/kv58 | Jan 28 05:23 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Bacula Passes 1,000,000 Downloads http://www.baculasystems.com/eng/About-us/Recent-news/Bacula-Surpasses-1-Million-Downloads | Jan 28 05:24 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Maddog Calls for Government to Stop Discrimination Harming FOSS http://ur1.ca/kv5f | Jan 28 05:26 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] List of 65 Life-changing #FreeSoftware Projects,, 15 #Firefox #Wallpapers http://ur1.ca/kv63 http://ur1.ca/kv64 | Jan 28 05:36 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Monty Widenius of #MySQL Comments on the #Database Acquisition http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3861016/ | Jan 28 05:41 | |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: When I read that article about the complete story of Gary Kildall, a little feeling of disgust crawled slowly down my spine.. -_- | Jan 28 05:44 |
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| Ender2070 | rogers always break stuff like douche bags | Jan 28 05:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #NVidia Chooses #Drupal #CMS ; Drupal Gardens Launched http://ur1.ca/kv6f http://ur1.ca/kv6g | Jan 28 05:46 | |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: It sounded pretty much like if I take Paulo Coelho's book "The Alchemist", and copy it, then simply tweak the story a little in enough to make it "legally different", then simply publish it under my name. | Jan 28 05:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ASF Releases #SpamAssassin 3.3.0 https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the_apache_software_foundation_announces1 | Jan 28 05:48 | |
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| schestowitz | Ender2070: maybe because they are | Jan 28 06:07 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Updates About the #ACTA Conspiracy http://ur1.ca/km75 http://ur1.ca/kv85 http://ur1.ca/kv86 http://ur1.ca/kv87 | Jan 28 06:13 | |
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| schestowitz | Ender2070: | Jan 28 06:29 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/20252762"@schestowitz #Rogers is the loosiest ISP. The should fly the Jolly Roger over their headquarters considering their pricing :]" | Jan 28 06:29 |
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| Ender2070 | lol | Jan 28 06:31 |
| schestowitz | 6:30 bedtime..... | Jan 28 06:31 |
| Ender2070 | nobody likes them | Jan 28 06:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@zeepooter Just saw an #Ikea commercial. I wanna go so bad. // resist. in the name of all that is good and holy | Jan 28 06:44 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k92SerxLWtc | Jan 28 06:48 |
| DaemonFC | Obama swipes at the Supreme Court with most of them sitting right in front of him | Jan 28 06:48 |
| DaemonFC | nice | Jan 28 06:48 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Typo detected: "Mono developers are virtually going through the garbage can called “Microsoft” to use their ideas by *duplicate* [duplicating] them. The winning APIs are then Microsoft’s." | Jan 28 07:01 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Needed: actual graphic designer to do NewsTechnica.com business card. I have no money, can barter my skills/soul. | Jan 28 07:56 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Anyone using Wordpress Firewall? http://is.gd/7cDxj Looks potentially just the thing. (HT @webcowgirl) | Jan 28 07:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] RT @jwildeboer Is Apple losing its magic? The iPay is disappointing AFAICS. Not enough bling and woohoo. | Jan 28 08:01 | |
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| Eruaran_ | Is BN down ? I can't load it in any browser... | Jan 28 09:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | quickly, someone feed roy viagra | Jan 28 09:05 |
| Eruaran_ | Dare I ask ? | Jan 28 09:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | you said bn was down | Jan 28 09:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | dohohohohohohoho | Jan 28 09:06 |
| Eruaran_ | *groan* | Jan 28 09:06 |
| Eruaran_ | :p | Jan 28 09:06 |
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| oiaohm | Anyone else having trouble getting to boycottnovel ? | Jan 28 10:01 |
| MarcusKoze | nope, it's ok here | Jan 28 10:01 |
| oiaohm | All I am getting is a white page. | Jan 28 10:02 |
| MarcusKoze | drop ie :)) | Jan 28 10:07 |
| oiaohm | Running Linux by the way MarcusKoze | Jan 28 10:08 |
| oiaohm | No ie | Jan 28 10:08 |
| MarcusKoze | yeah, was kidding there :) | Jan 28 10:09 |
| MarcusKoze | linux on my end here too ; | Jan 28 10:09 |
| MarcusKoze | ;) | Jan 28 10:09 |
| MarcusKoze | don';t know why but when i see a windos box i feel as it's from a prehystoric ancient world, long gone | Jan 28 10:11 |
| MarcusKoze | for me at least :) | Jan 28 10:11 |
| oiaohm | Network admin MarcusKoze | Jan 28 10:12 |
| oiaohm | So work I have to use windows | Jan 28 10:12 |
| oiaohm | Kinda against my will. | Jan 28 10:12 |
| MarcusKoze | does one have anything to do on a win box other than clicking settings forms ? | Jan 28 10:13 |
| oiaohm | Configuration and maintaining windows 2003 and 2008 servers. | Jan 28 10:13 |
| oiaohm | And adding checking on software deployments to windows clients. | Jan 28 10:14 |
| oiaohm | That is my complete list of things I do on windows. | Jan 28 10:14 |
| oiaohm | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/GCC-to-support-Google-s-Go-915787.html | Jan 28 10:15 |
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| oiaohm | Another language defualt. | Jan 28 10:15 |
| Eruaran | I haven't been able to get anything but a white page from BN for hours | Jan 28 10:18 |
| oiaohm | I wonder if the site is thinking I am attacker since I am stuck on a max of 8 kb a secound connetion. | Jan 28 10:18 |
| oiaohm | Due to being way over quota | Jan 28 10:18 |
| oiaohm | Ie about 3 times over. | Jan 28 10:19 |
| Eruaran | same here | Jan 28 10:19 |
| Eruaran | Switching to a new ISP I am | Jan 28 10:20 |
| Eruaran | I always go over quota and Telstra charge too much for too little | Jan 28 10:20 |
| Eruaran | Churning to Internode | Jan 28 10:20 |
| oiaohm | It was a 15 Gb quota Eruaran | Jan 28 10:21 |
| Eruaran | Mine was 12Gb | Jan 28 10:21 |
| oiaohm | I just got a little busy downloading a few distributions to try and lost where the quota was. | Jan 28 10:21 |
| oiaohm | Does not take long in dvd images to screw things. | Jan 28 10:21 |
| MarcusKoze | what do you pay for net there ? | Jan 28 10:22 |
| oiaohm | Got to about 40 gb before being slowed down. | Jan 28 10:22 |
| Eruaran | With Internode I will be able to download distributions from Internode's servers and have it now affect my quota | Jan 28 10:22 |
| oiaohm | Internode servers don't hold all distributions. | Jan 28 10:22 |
| Eruaran | *and have it NOT affect my quota | Jan 28 10:22 |
| oiaohm | I was trying some of the odd ball ones. | Jan 28 10:22 |
| Eruaran | sure, but some is better than none | Jan 28 10:22 |
| Eruaran | they have mirrors too | Jan 28 10:23 |
| oiaohm | I have also beat the heck out my local filemirror that does not count to quota for about 25 gb as well. | Jan 28 10:23 |
| Eruaran | yes | Jan 28 10:23 |
| oiaohm | Me new harddrive tones on space. | Jan 28 10:23 |
| oiaohm | Went a little nuts. | Jan 28 10:23 |
| Eruaran | :) | Jan 28 10:23 |
| oiaohm | I am only half way threw my month to the reset point. | Jan 28 10:24 |
| oiaohm | Yes I did a good job of busting quota | Jan 28 10:24 |
| oiaohm | Since I don't normally bust quota my ISP even rung me worried that I might have had a secuirty breach. | Jan 28 10:25 |
| oiaohm | Nice ISP. | Jan 28 10:25 |
| oiaohm | Depends where you are in australia MarcusKoze. Under 45 AUD would be basically normal for my quota. | Jan 28 10:27 |
| MarcusKoze | in romania, i pay about $US12 for 10 Mbps, unlimited traffic | Jan 28 10:28 |
| MarcusKoze | from UPC | Jan 28 10:29 |
| MarcusKoze | got this provider south there ? | Jan 28 10:29 |
| oiaohm | Nop | Jan 28 10:29 |
| MarcusKoze | ph well | Jan 28 10:30 |
| oiaohm | Biggest problem we have is most of our telephone exchanges are owned by one company. | Jan 28 10:30 |
| oiaohm | So putting hardware in there has to have there approval. | Jan 28 10:30 |
| MarcusKoze | used to be the same here | Jan 28 10:30 |
| MarcusKoze | now there's competition | Jan 28 10:30 |
| oiaohm | There is sort of competition here. | Jan 28 10:30 |
| oiaohm | If you are in a big city you have good competition. | Jan 28 10:31 |
| oiaohm | I am not in a big city so it suxs. | Jan 28 10:31 |
| MarcusKoze | but most people here have mobile phones and ditched the fix phones mostly | Jan 28 10:31 |
| oiaohm | Lot of people here still keep land lines. | Jan 28 10:31 |
| MarcusKoze | so you from australia , hows life there ? | Jan 28 10:31 |
| oiaohm | Even if they have mobiles. | Jan 28 10:31 |
| oiaohm | Main reason land lines here stay up in power outages and other things. | Jan 28 10:32 |
| oiaohm | Where mobiles can kinda fail big time. | Jan 28 10:32 |
| MarcusKoze | meh, they used to literally rob people on the bills | Jan 28 10:32 |
| MarcusKoze | so people ditched them all | Jan 28 10:32 |
| oiaohm | Also land line is need for items like DSL. | Jan 28 10:33 |
| oiaohm | In my area you can not get a DSL line without a normal phone line. | Jan 28 10:33 |
| MarcusKoze | now they give you land lines with thousands of minutes in talks or even free talks | Jan 28 10:33 |
| MarcusKoze | :) | Jan 28 10:33 |
| oiaohm | Lot of our ISP's give voip services. | Jan 28 10:33 |
| oiaohm | Normal at the insane rate of 10 cents per call for unlimited time anywhere in australia. | Jan 28 10:34 |
| MarcusKoze | look, wanted to try to imigrate to australia for quite some while, can you tell me whether there would be spme special issues for getting there ? | Jan 28 10:35 |
| MarcusKoze | i'm sick of this never-endind winter here | Jan 28 10:35 |
| MarcusKoze | i'm feeling like im in suberia darn it | Jan 28 10:35 |
| MarcusKoze | siberia* | Jan 28 10:35 |
| MarcusKoze | freezing here | Jan 28 10:36 |
| oiaohm | Really depends where in Australia you end up. | Jan 28 10:36 |
| oiaohm | Just say Linux crosses many temp ranges. | Jan 28 10:36 |
| oiaohm | Opps. | Jan 28 10:37 |
| oiaohm | Australia crosses many temp ranges. | Jan 28 10:37 |
| MarcusKoze | i was thinking more into south-east | Jan 28 10:39 |
| MarcusKoze | not sure why, but my guts say so :) | Jan 28 10:39 |
| oiaohm | Basically you would not want to come to australia to go work on macquarie island http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macquarie_Island because were you are now is mostly warm in compare | Jan 28 10:39 |
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| MarcusKoze | almost feel an inner attraction for that place | Jan 28 10:40 |
| MarcusKoze | hehe | Jan 28 10:40 |
| oiaohm | Yep Macquarie island is the most south-east point of australian tertoriry.. | Jan 28 10:40 |
| MarcusKoze | nope, i dream of a bungalow in a hot savana, having coffe in the morning, watching some dingo packs hunting roos ... ah.. whatta life ... | Jan 28 10:41 |
| oiaohm | dingo packs are rare to see. | Jan 28 10:41 |
| MarcusKoze | hehe, at least having my coffee in a hot savana | Jan 28 10:42 |
| oiaohm | Roos hunting them these days is a permit. | Jan 28 10:42 |
| MarcusKoze | i;m a wilderness guy, i'd feel better there than in the city :) | Jan 28 10:42 |
| oiaohm | Annoying quoted by number of bullets allowed. | Jan 28 10:42 |
| MarcusKoze | no, not me hunting the roos, but the dingos hunting them | Jan 28 10:42 |
| MarcusKoze | i dont like hunting | Jan 28 10:43 |
| MarcusKoze | but fishing, oh yeah, thats for me | Jan 28 10:43 |
| oiaohm | Out in some areas it either hunt roos or cut of water supply. | Jan 28 10:43 |
| MarcusKoze | why ? | Jan 28 10:43 |
| oiaohm | Man made water supply causing them to breed more than the land can support. | Jan 28 10:43 |
| MarcusKoze | aw | Jan 28 10:43 |
| MarcusKoze | haha | Jan 28 10:43 |
| MarcusKoze | geez | Jan 28 10:43 |
| MarcusKoze | well then, some Carmaggetron needed then :) | Jan 28 10:44 |
| oiaohm | Already happens. | Jan 28 10:44 |
| oiaohm | Seime trailers just hit them if they are on road. | Jan 28 10:44 |
| oiaohm | But does not kill them fast enough. | Jan 28 10:44 |
| oiaohm | then you have scary big wedgetails who are eating the dead roos using your car as updraft to take off. | Jan 28 10:45 |
| oiaohm | Out back roads in Australia can be kinda scary with wild life | Jan 28 10:46 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge-tailed_Eagle | Jan 28 10:46 |
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| oiaohm | Also don't underestermate how hard a roo is MarcusKoze. Lot of small/medium size cars hit a roo car is damaged past driveable. | Jan 28 10:47 |
| oiaohm | Yes it a little hard for some overseas people to get that you can be a envormentalist here and still hunt MarcusKoze | Jan 28 10:49 |
| MarcusKoze | hehe :) | Jan 28 11:00 |
| MarcusKoze | not a trouble for me , as long as their population is kept in reasonable numbers | Jan 28 11:00 |
| oiaohm | Water cutt off culling is far worse for them than bullets. | Jan 28 11:01 |
| oiaohm | And the bullet limit system means only people who are good shots even attempt it. | Jan 28 11:01 |
| MarcusKoze | yeah well ... | Jan 28 11:05 |
| MarcusKoze | hey, does Rex Hunt still do his shows there ? | Jan 28 11:05 |
| MarcusKoze | used to watch that nutcase on discovery :) | Jan 28 11:05 |
| MarcusKoze | fishing and stuff | Jan 28 11:05 |
| oiaohm | Have not seen a Rex Hunt show in ages most likely still is. | Jan 28 11:07 |
| oiaohm | I don't follow fishing. | Jan 28 11:08 |
| MarcusKoze | how bad did this psychosis of a financial crisis hit australia ? | Jan 28 11:09 |
| oiaohm | When you have 15 free to air tv channels to choose from its fairly simple to avoid seeing anything about fishing. | Jan 28 11:09 |
| MarcusKoze | haha :) | Jan 28 11:09 |
| oiaohm | Financial criss did cause some problems. | Jan 28 11:10 |
| oiaohm | Ie people not spending. | Jan 28 11:10 |
| oiaohm | It still going on. | Jan 28 11:10 |
| oiaohm | Also credit is now a lot harder to get here. | Jan 28 11:10 |
| oiaohm | None of our banks were majorally effected. | Jan 28 11:11 |
| oiaohm | Lot of people ended up with the credit cards made no more after the financial crisis. | Jan 28 11:12 |
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| oiaohm | Basically anyone never paying the credit card off fully lost there card. | Jan 28 11:12 |
| schestowitz | Is the site working OK now? | Jan 28 11:15 |
| schestowitz | I don't know what happened earlier (was asleep) | Jan 28 11:15 |
| MarcusKoze | i'm in such a situation too | Jan 28 11:19 |
| MarcusKoze | havent paid the monthly fee for my credit for about 3 months | Jan 28 11:19 |
| MarcusKoze | unemployed | Jan 28 11:19 |
| MarcusKoze | desperately seeking a job around, too bad it's winter | Jan 28 11:19 |
| MarcusKoze | not so much hiring | Jan 28 11:19 |
| MarcusKoze | i might just lose my friggin appartment ... | Jan 28 11:20 |
| *schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zufaN_aetZI&feature=fvw (Cell Biology) | Jan 28 11:24 | |
| oiaohm | Nop still white screening on me but it might be how short on quota I am schestowitz | Jan 28 11:24 |
| oiaohm | MarcusKoze: I was a full time network admin I am now only on call. | Jan 28 11:25 |
| oiaohm | MarcusKoze: when something breaks. | Jan 28 11:25 |
| oiaohm | That is a one hell of a wage drop MarcusKoze | Jan 28 11:25 |
| MarcusKoze | shifty times ... | Jan 28 11:25 |
| MarcusKoze | i'd hate to go back to my parents :) | Jan 28 11:26 |
| oiaohm | I am looking forward to Linux supporting ADS servers and the like. | Jan 28 11:26 |
| MarcusKoze | i mean | Jan 28 11:26 |
| oiaohm | That will create me more work. | Jan 28 11:26 |
| MarcusKoze | well not hate to be with them, but me losing the appt | Jan 28 11:26 |
| oiaohm | Freedom yes I know what you mean MarcusKoze | Jan 28 11:27 |
| MarcusKoze | how's linux adoption there ? | Jan 28 11:27 |
| oiaohm | Small MarcusKoze | Jan 28 11:27 |
| MarcusKoze | well, at least there is some :) | Jan 28 11:27 |
| oiaohm | Some businesses have Linux core servers. | Jan 28 11:27 |
| oiaohm | Most have windows core servers. | Jan 28 11:27 |
| oiaohm | Client side Linux is still rare. | Jan 28 11:28 |
| oiaohm | netbooks of course more often than not Linux just for performance reasons. | Jan 28 11:28 |
| MarcusKoze | i cant stop laughing when i hear those preconceptions about linux being so hard to use, console/terminal/text-interface only and so on | Jan 28 11:28 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Jan 28 11:28 |
| oiaohm | I love crashing the windows 7 network stack then saying to them Ok fix that without using command line. | Jan 28 11:29 |
| oiaohm | Or bat files. | Jan 28 11:29 |
| MarcusKoze | and ofcourse, the eternal "will my x,y,z games work on it ?" | Jan 28 11:29 |
| oiaohm | Linux network stack don't go splat like the windows one. | Jan 28 11:29 |
| MarcusKoze | :)) | Jan 28 11:29 |
| MarcusKoze | yeah, show them | Jan 28 11:29 |
| oiaohm | Linux can be a ass to set up. | Jan 28 11:30 |
| oiaohm | But once it setup it stays working basically for ever. | Jan 28 11:30 |
| MarcusKoze | know what you meah | Jan 28 11:30 |
| MarcusKoze | mean | Jan 28 11:30 |
| oiaohm | Windows or the other hand can be simple to get to look that it setup right. | Jan 28 11:30 |
| oiaohm | Yet is just waiting to bite you nuts off. | Jan 28 11:30 |
| oiaohm | The question is when. And that is not with viruses and other pests. | Jan 28 11:31 |
| MarcusKoze | since ubuntu 5.10 , i;ve only re-installed linux on the 8.04 edition, from scratch | Jan 28 11:31 |
| MarcusKoze | worked just oki doki | Jan 28 11:31 |
| oiaohm | I have been running debian on this system since 2000 | Jan 28 11:31 |
| MarcusKoze | normally just upgrading | Jan 28 11:31 |
| oiaohm | No re-install yet. | Jan 28 11:31 |
| MarcusKoze | :) | Jan 28 11:31 |
| oiaohm | And I am not even nice about it. I run custom kernels and all. | Jan 28 11:32 |
| MarcusKoze | so yep ... proven sturdiness | Jan 28 11:32 |
| MarcusKoze | or what's the word for that | Jan 28 11:32 |
| schestowitz |  | Jan 28 11:32 |
| schestowitz | [11:24] <oiaohm> Nop still white screening on me but it might be how short on quota I am schestowitz | Jan 28 11:32 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: still??? | Jan 28 11:32 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: yep still konquerer and firefox | Jan 28 11:33 |
| oiaohm | But I would be under 1 kb per second connetion to site at moment schestowitz | Jan 28 11:33 |
| oiaohm | I am downloading other things as well. I might be landing on the wrong side of the anti spammer filter schestowitz | Jan 28 11:34 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmm....... does this usually happen? | Jan 28 11:34 |
| schestowitz | Can other load the site? | Jan 28 11:34 |
| schestowitz | Let's wait for tessier to see what happened? | Jan 28 11:35 |
| schestowitz | I got mail about it | Jan 28 11:36 |
| oiaohm | First time for me. Eruaran who also is on limited speed reported the same thing. And MarcusKoze reported site working. | Jan 28 11:36 |
| schestowitz | Well, at least it means people notice when something goes wrong | Jan 28 11:36 |
| oiaohm | Ie MarcusKoze is not speed limited schestowitz | Jan 28 11:36 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: why would speed limit do this? | Jan 28 11:36 |
| schestowitz | ANd someone from the UK reported getting a blank page | Jan 28 11:36 |
| oiaohm | Timing out schestowitz | Jan 28 11:36 |
| schestowitz | At 10:40 | Jan 28 11:37 |
| schestowitz | About an hour ago | Jan 28 11:37 |
| MarcusKoze | i'm not bandwidth limited actually | Jan 28 11:37 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: maybe the front page is too large? | Jan 28 11:37 |
| oiaohm | They did not tell you want speed there connection is schestowitz | Jan 28 11:37 |
| MarcusKoze | speed at about 10 mbps here from what my isp sais | Jan 28 11:37 |
| schestowitz | Can you load http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/27/ubuntu-and-msft-search/ for example? | Jan 28 11:37 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Why Ubuntu GNU/Linux Should Not Make Microsoft Even Stronger | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 123.63 KB | Jan 28 11:37 |
| schestowitz | I can't see anything wrong from my end | Jan 28 11:38 |
| MarcusKoze | schestowitz, couldn't you set the frontpage to just present some excerpt from the article under the title and link to the full one ? | Jan 28 11:38 |
| MarcusKoze | might be handier for those with limited bandwidth / speed | Jan 28 11:38 |
| schestowitz | MarcusKoze: people seem to prefer it this way | Jan 28 11:38 |
| MarcusKoze | aw | Jan 28 11:38 |
| MarcusKoze | ok :) | Jan 28 11:38 |
| oiaohm | Ok that link you gave me works even that front page still does not schestowitz | Jan 28 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Weird | Jan 28 11:39 |
| schestowitz | How might that be? | Jan 28 11:39 |
| schestowitz | Front page works for me | Jan 28 11:39 |
| schestowitz | Oh wait | Jan 28 11:39 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't | Jan 28 11:39 |
| schestowitz | I think I know what might happen here | Jan 28 11:39 |
| MarcusKoze | yeh, again everything up and speedy here | Jan 28 11:39 |
| schestowitz | It's a wiki problemn | Jan 28 11:41 |
| Eruaran | The ubuntu-and-msft link worked for me but not the main page | Jan 28 11:41 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmmm... if the wiki doesn't load I think the only think I can try is load it from DB backup? | Jan 28 11:41 |
| schestowitz | I don't know how to even diagnose the DB | Jan 28 11:42 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Jan 28 11:42 |
| schestowitz | It's just WIki front page, it seems | Jan 28 11:42 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_-_Legal | Jan 28 11:42 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft - Legal - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 22.91 KB | Jan 28 11:42 |
| schestowitz | Works OK | Jan 28 11:42 |
| oiaohm | Yep same here. So it the front page gone nuts ? | Jan 28 11:43 |
| MarcusKoze | aww !!! | Jan 28 11:43 |
| MarcusKoze | big correction here | Jan 28 11:43 |
| MarcusKoze | the front page indeed doesnt work | Jan 28 11:43 |
| MarcusKoze | i was thinking at the /?stories frontpage | Jan 28 11:44 |
| MarcusKoze | but indeed | Jan 28 11:44 |
| MarcusKoze | the root domain doesnt load anything there | Jan 28 11:44 |
| MarcusKoze | sorry :) | Jan 28 11:44 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: wiki front page | Jan 28 11:44 |
| MarcusKoze | checked the source of the page, nothing served there | Jan 28 11:44 |
| oiaohm | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page is still giving me nothing. | Jan 28 11:45 |
| MarcusKoze | here neither | Jan 28 11:46 |
| oiaohm | Yep truly nothings. | Jan 28 11:46 |
| oiaohm | the source of the page is nothing in browser. | Jan 28 11:46 |
| MarcusKoze | same here | Jan 28 11:46 |
| oiaohm | Ok so its not speed | Jan 28 11:46 |
| MarcusKoze | yeah :) | Jan 28 11:46 |
| MarcusKoze | all this time i was reloading the /?stories page | Jan 28 11:47 |
| MarcusKoze | that's working oki doki | Jan 28 11:47 |
| schestowitz | OK, try not | Jan 28 11:48 |
| schestowitz | I stripped it down just so that it loads | Jan 28 11:48 |
| MarcusKoze | yup | Jan 28 11:48 |
| MarcusKoze | loads now | Jan 28 11:49 |
| schestowitz | This seems to have gone on for several hours, I don't know what's causing it yet | Jan 28 11:49 |
| MarcusKoze | although no articles / content | Jan 28 11:49 |
| MarcusKoze | what did you strip from it , the "article" variable / function / whatever renders the content ther e? | Jan 28 11:50 |
| Eruaran | main page is working | Jan 28 11:50 |
| schestowitz | not the right content though | Jan 28 11:56 |
| schestowitz | I think magpie rss might be the cause | Jan 28 11:58 |
| schestowitz | It's my mediawiki plugins messing about | Jan 28 12:03 |
| schestowitz | I still can't quite get it right...... | Jan 28 12:03 |
| MarcusKoze | that;s why i prefer my own cms :) for whatever | Jan 28 12:07 |
| schestowitz | SOmtimes.... yeah. | Jan 28 12:08 |
| oiaohm | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/01/protestors-ipad-is-nothing-more-than-a-golden-calf-of-drm.ars Nice poster | Jan 28 12:19 |
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| MinceR | here's another term for the iGrenade: iED | Jan 28 13:00 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple Sent #iPad to ‘Important’ Writers Weeks Before Launch http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/28/ipads-hype-machine/ | Jan 28 13:07 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Apple Sent iPads to Important Writers Weeks Before Launch | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 103.95 KB | Jan 28 13:07 |
| MinceR | who beside cringely said he got one or is otherwise known to have got one? | Jan 28 13:14 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Hopefully words of GNOME:http://www.the-source.com/2010/01/checking-in-on-the-gnome-foundation/ | Jan 28 13:29 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Checking in on the GNOME Foundation « The Source.com .::. Size~: 34.34 KB | Jan 28 13:29 |
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| schestowitz | [13:14] <MinceR> who beside cringely said he got one or is otherwise known to have got one? | Jan 28 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Find out... | Jan 28 13:48 |
| MinceR | http://failblog.org/2010/01/27/name-fail-photoshop-win/ | Jan 28 13:49 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Name Fail, Photoshop Win - FAIL Blog: Epic Fail Pictures and Videos of Owned, Pwnd and Fail Moments .::. Size~: 395.82 KB | Jan 28 13:49 |
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| *kecskebak spend the morning installing ArchLinux | Jan 28 13:53 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What the #Yahoo Deal Means for #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux (and #Mono ) http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/28/analysis-of-canonical-yahoo/ | Jan 28 13:58 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: What the Yahoo! Deal Means for Ubuntu GNU/Linux (and Mono) | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 110.31 KB | Jan 28 13:58 |
| schestowitz | I can't figure out a workaround for the wiki.... | Jan 28 14:05 |
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| MarcusKoze | have you tried to wipe out the app files and redeply on the existing database ? | Jan 28 14:13 |
| MarcusKoze | assuming the problem is not from the database | Jan 28 14:14 |
| schestowitz | No, it's a long-standing issue | Jan 28 14:17 |
| schestowitz | I usually had a workaround | Jan 28 14:17 |
| schestowitz | I have temporary solution | Jan 28 14:17 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Makes Questionable Deals in #Kuwait , #Malta , and #Ireland http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/28/partners-in-learning-deals/ | Jan 28 15:01 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft Makes Questionable Deals in Kuwait, Malta, and Ireland | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 108.25 KB | Jan 28 15:01 |
| Omar87 | Greetings all. | Jan 28 15:04 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Jan 28 15:22 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] "Free as in Free beer" it comes spontaneously from my mouth; i can't stop it;makes others(who don know abt free s/w) think i am a drunkard | Jan 28 15:42 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Posters on ipad #DRM http://i.imgur.com/ion9W.jpg http://static.fsf.org/nosvn/apple/apple-live-1.jpg #FSF #defectivebydesign.org | Jan 28 16:17 | |
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| MinceR | 171748 < hawk> http://i.imgur.com/oRffH.jpg & http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7930/stonevsipad.jpg for more ipad fun | Jan 28 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: :-) | Jan 28 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Let's just ignore the thing... | Jan 28 17:02 |
| schestowitz | It will fail in the market without intervention | Jan 28 17:03 |
| MinceR | i'll continue making and receiving jokes at their expense :> | Jan 28 17:05 |
| schestowitz | OK | Jan 28 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Some people linked to the item on APple sending freebie stones.... errr. I mean pads | Jan 28 17:07 |
| MarcusKoze | :)) | Jan 28 17:08 |
| MinceR | stones are too useful to be a crApple product | Jan 28 17:08 |
| schestowitz | They are also scarce | Jan 28 17:08 |
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| *kecskebak has finally finished installing ArchLinux with nouveau drivers and Gnash | Jan 28 17:15 | |
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| MarcusKoze | kecskebak, how's Gnash behaving ? | Jan 28 17:21 |
| MarcusKoze | has it widened it's flash components support there ? | Jan 28 17:21 |
| schestowitz | I think YouTube is the only need for Flash (and other sites that contain video files in blob enclosures) | Jan 28 17:23 |
| kecskebak | I sometimes I can't play YouTube videos unless I look at them in a separate window | Jan 28 17:23 |
| kecskebak | Archlinux is being a bit funny about mpeg audio in Flash - it worked fine with Ubuntu | Jan 28 17:24 |
| MinceR | there's also viddler, if you read icanhascheezburger | Jan 28 17:24 |
| kecskebak | But for most things Gnash is fine | Jan 28 17:24 |
| MinceR | and/or failblog | Jan 28 17:24 |
| MinceR | for youtube, there's clive | Jan 28 17:24 |
| kecskebak | It stops at version 8, has some support for 9 and 10 | Jan 28 17:24 |
| kecskebak | I'm amazed at how fast my Archlinux desktop is | Jan 28 17:25 |
| kecskebak | I've always wanted a rolling distro with GNOME, and now I've got one | Jan 28 17:25 |
| kecskebak | I could hardly stay with Ubuntu ;) | Jan 28 17:25 |
| MinceR | i don't like rolling distros because there's always the risk of not being able to upgrade after not upgrading for a long time | Jan 28 17:26 |
| kecskebak | Well, I've got a few live CDs in the drawer, and my home folder is on a separate partition if the worst comes to the worst | Jan 28 17:26 |
| MinceR | also, the lesser risk of getting backwards-incompatible changes with any upgrade | Jan 28 17:27 |
| kecskebak | pacman keeps a cache, so you can roll back | Jan 28 17:28 |
| MinceR | i couldn't roll archlinux back when it broke, iirc | Jan 28 17:28 |
| kecskebak | you can also exclude whichever packages you like from being rolling | Jan 28 17:28 |
| kecskebak | But I'm sure I'll soon find out from bitter experience if it works or not | Jan 28 17:29 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 28 17:29 |
| kecskebak | Anyway, I learnt more about GNU/Linux today than I have in months | Jan 28 17:29 |
| kecskebak | You certainly get a good explanation of how it all fits together when you install it | Jan 28 17:29 |
| kecskebak | So even if I have to bin it it's been very educational | Jan 28 17:30 |
| MinceR | i got that with gentoo :> | Jan 28 17:31 |
| kecskebak | It also appreciates the Ubuntus and Fedoras of this world a lot more | Jan 28 17:31 |
| kecskebak | It also makes you appreciate I should have said | Jan 28 17:31 |
| kecskebak | When you see all the work the installers have to do, and how easily it can all fall in a heap | Jan 28 17:32 |
| kecskebak | One thing I did like was being able to choose which bits of Gnome I wanted to install one by one | Jan 28 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | g2g | Jan 28 17:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Gets More Software Patents, #Patent Watchtroll Gene Quinn is Sued http://bit.ly/anCnl5 | Jan 28 17:35 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Patents Roundup: Novell Gets More Software Patents, Patent Watchtroll Gene Quinn is Sued, Microsoft Writer Slams Firefox for Protesting Against Patents | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 112.34 KB | Jan 28 17:35 |
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| MarcusKoze | haha apple.com loads like a stubborn mule ... gues that freak ipad thing really made some craziness around the globe eh ? | Jan 28 17:45 |
| *MinceR sees no reason to load apple.com | Jan 28 17:46 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] sudo poweroff | Jan 28 17:47 | |
| MarcusKoze | me neither really but i've just watched some news here talkinmg about jobs presenting it so i didnt know they've launched it | Jan 28 17:48 |
| MarcusKoze | so just checking | Jan 28 17:48 |
| MarcusKoze | i can;t believe how much people talked about this thing... wonder ... can it do magic or smth ? | Jan 28 17:48 |
| MarcusKoze | :) | Jan 28 17:48 |
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| DaemonFC | so my insurance company has been gouging me for a couple of years now, and the month I leave, they send me an offer for a "reduced rate" if I come back (which still isn't matching what I pay now) | Jan 28 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | I repeat my question out loud "Why do big companies try to make it all better after you're fed up and want to leave?" | Jan 28 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | "customer retention" says you have to threaten to cancel before you get the deal for what you should be paying regularly | Jan 28 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | I kind of take it to say "We could have knocked your 6 month premiums down $50 an still made a killing, haha, here's a kick in the balls on your way out!" | Jan 28 18:35 |
| MinceR | they're greedy and they think their customers are stupid | Jan 28 18:36 |
| MinceR | and often there's no better or significantly better choice | Jan 28 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Like Comcast or AT&T | Jan 28 18:37 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jan 28 18:37 |
| cubezzz | the best ISP: freenets | Jan 28 18:37 |
| MinceR | like ISPs and telcos in general | Jan 28 18:37 |
| cubezzz | but we've been through this before | Jan 28 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | people have to pay $50 or more a month on broadband and they wonder why customers think they should bittorrent movies and music | Jan 28 18:37 |
| cubezzz | I'm paying just under $40 CAN | Jan 28 18:38 |
| cubezzz | plus I can run my host on it :) | Jan 28 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | endless channels of propaganda and two star movies from the 1980s is what you get on Comcast unless you want to start using Pay Per View and getting the $20 "movie channels" which have the same two star 1980s movies with no commercials | Jan 28 18:39 |
| MinceR | i pay approximately $18/month for broadband | Jan 28 18:39 |
| MinceR | plus telephone, plus tv | Jan 28 18:39 |
| cubezzz | hrmmm | Jan 28 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | with the plus being that HBO occasionally hosts racist far left comedians that aren't funny | Jan 28 18:39 |
| MinceR | i mean that only covers the internet part | Jan 28 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 28 18:39 |
| cubezzz | oh :) | Jan 28 18:39 |
| cubezzz | I was wondering :) | Jan 28 18:39 |
| MinceR | but i'm probably required to have a tv and phone subscription beside it | Jan 28 18:39 |
| cubezzz | yeah get tv free though | Jan 28 18:40 |
| MinceR | but someone else pays for those :> | Jan 28 18:40 |
| cubezzz | tv = antenna | Jan 28 18:40 |
| cubezzz | what speed MinceR? | Jan 28 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Here's how they do it, you *can* get just TV or just internet, but your price for any package alone goes up $15 or so | Jan 28 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | thusly, it is only like $10 a month more to have cable TV than not to have it | Jan 28 18:40 |
| MinceR | 30/20 Mbit/s (down/up) | Jan 28 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | geez | Jan 28 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | I think I get 12 down and 2 up | Jan 28 18:41 |
| MinceR | i got lucky though, this is one of the few places where they offer LAN-based service | Jan 28 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | they have a plan for 50 down and 20 up, but that's like, over $100 a month | Jan 28 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | the cheapest you can do is 1 down and 256k up for $30 | Jan 28 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | it's not worth it obviously | Jan 28 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | AT&T has the same deal for $20 if you want something that slow | Jan 28 18:42 |
| cubezzz | MinceR, can you run a server on it? | Jan 28 18:43 |
| MinceR | i can and do | Jan 28 18:43 |
| cubezzz | well, that sounds pretty good actually | Jan 28 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: You can on Comcast if it's a "business" plan | Jan 28 18:43 |
| MinceR | it has a dynamic IP address though | Jan 28 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | which the 50 down 20 up is where that starts | Jan 28 18:43 |
| MinceR | and getting a fixed address would cost almost once again that much as the monthly price i'm paying already | Jan 28 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | they're also nice enough to unblock port 25 for you | Jan 28 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jan 28 18:43 |
| cubezzz | ah, well I have fixed ip, but my speed is slower | Jan 28 18:44 |
| MinceR | i suspect they wouldn't allow me to run public services though | Jan 28 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | they say they block port 25 due to all the Windows zombie spam relays out there | Jan 28 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | like night of the living dead | Jan 28 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jan 28 18:44 |
| MinceR | but if i wanted to do that, i'd prefer to have a server or VPS hosted at a data center | Jan 28 18:44 |
| MinceR | as this isn't really reliable | Jan 28 18:44 |
| cubezzz | I'm running ftp, web server, mail server | Jan 28 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: One Comcast commercial was bragging about all the Microsoft "services" you get with their Business plans | Jan 28 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | it was a hoot | Jan 28 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | "I get MICROSOFT email!!!!" *grin* | Jan 28 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | it's doubleplusgood | Jan 28 18:45 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 28 18:45 |
| cubezzz | how much for this amazing plan? | Jan 28 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | oh, only like $130 a month to start out | Jan 28 18:46 |
| cubezzz | blah | Jan 28 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | they have them going to 150 down for like $200 a month | Jan 28 18:46 |
| cubezzz | well if you can make money it's worth it I guess | Jan 28 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | probably not a huge expense for small businesses that just want to use a router and connect a lot of terminals in the office | Jan 28 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | maybe run a small web server | Jan 28 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | they don't "support" Linux, but they don't do anything to stop you from using it | Jan 28 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | they try to tell you that a negative side effect of Linux is their McAfee antivirus won't run | Jan 28 18:48 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 28 18:48 |
| MinceR | i consider that a positive side effect | Jan 28 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | indeed | Jan 28 18:48 |
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| DaemonFC | I want to see those people at Free Software Magazine do a piece on how badly most antivirus software cripples Windows | Jan 28 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | they want to talk about a 1% slowdown in Linux | Jan 28 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | tell me that's not funded from the outside | Jan 28 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft has Forefront which is their server antivirus (licensed separately of course) | Jan 28 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | I played around with that somewhat | Jan 28 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | but it costs thousands of dollars to license, so now Microsoft is obviously making huge profit off of the malware problems on their own OS | Jan 28 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | why would they ever want to fix it? | Jan 28 18:53 |
| MinceR | and it probably only goes after viruses m$ feels like going after | Jan 28 18:54 |
| MinceR | so obviously it does nothing against claria malware | Jan 28 18:54 |
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| MinceR | trusting m$ to produce anti-malware software is futile | Jan 28 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I highly suspect that Microsoft Security Essentials is just a front for a data mining operation | Jan 28 18:55 |
| tessier | Some problem with the site? | Jan 28 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | it keeps asking you to send Microsoft files from your PC for "analysis" | Jan 28 18:55 |
| MinceR | or just a PR attempt | Jan 28 18:55 |
| tessier | I haven't noticed anything. | Jan 28 18:55 |
| MinceR | "see, we're dedicated to making your machine secure! really!" | Jan 28 18:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | M$ only does just barely enough, if that, incrementally, as far as security and malware, to escape government oversite. | Jan 28 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I'm using Avast! myself, I don't really need something else from Microsoft with another 1,000 page EULA asking to ssend files from my PC whenever it wants, whatever it wants, to Microsoft | Jan 28 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | for "threat analysis" | Jan 28 18:56 |
| MinceR | i very rarely use antivirus at all | Jan 28 18:57 |
| MinceR | when i do, i use ClamAV | Jan 28 18:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Not needed so far on Linux, antivirus, IMO | Jan 28 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | ClamAV has a really lousy detection rate | Jan 28 18:57 |
| MinceR | only if you want to run winblows software via wine | Jan 28 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy: It is if you run a file or mail server | Jan 28 18:57 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: even then only if your clients are running winblows | Jan 28 18:58 |
| MinceR | which they shouldn't | Jan 28 18:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | sure, but the mail server antivirus is to scan for windows malware so you don't pass them on to windows computers | Jan 28 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | ClamAV and ClamWin will get better when they have heuristics and real times scanning, which they've been saying will happen for at least 6 years now | Jan 28 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | it's almost comical that they still say "when we implement that" | Jan 28 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | like it's going to happen next month | Jan 28 18:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Actually the detection rate for ClamAV was very hight Daemon. Is what I noticed, at least the Windows version. | Jan 28 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | 54% | Jan 28 18:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The cleanup rate, not so good | Jan 28 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | I've never seen it do better than 57% | Jan 28 18:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and, it was the slowest of all | Jan 28 19:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | had no guard either | Jan 28 19:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but maybe it does now, I have not used it in awhile | Jan 28 19:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | my trick with antivirus | Jan 28 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Jan 28 19:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | was to use about 4 or 5 antivirus free programs, and to have only one in resident memory | Jan 28 19:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but all updated and ready to scan | Jan 28 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft OneCare was doing horribly bad, even worse than Norton | Jan 28 19:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it was one of the ways to clean infected machines | Jan 28 19:01 |
| MinceR | i'm unwilling to have any resident | Jan 28 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | so they finally aborted it and made it freeware | Jan 28 19:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MinceR that was xp machines I was referring to, the ones I used to clean | Jan 28 19:02 |
| MinceR | and ClamAV has some great advantages on most others: it's free, gratis and runs on GNU/Linux (without jumping through stupid loops) | Jan 28 19:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | again, I found ClamAV to find a lot of viruses | Jan 28 19:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | worms | Jan 28 19:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | etc | Jan 28 19:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but malware, like trojans, you needed stuff like Spybot, Lavasoft, A2Squired | Jan 28 19:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *Suared | Jan 28 19:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | still could not spell it | Jan 28 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | and a lot of antivirus software is now detecting things that are not viruses | Jan 28 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | just that companies don't want you to have them | Jan 28 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | like cracks, keygens, no-DVD exes for games | Jan 28 19:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | There is a cd out I once seen someone have, not sure on its legallity | Jan 28 19:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hiren's | Jan 28 19:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its very good | Jan 28 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | NOD32 is the worst of them about that | Jan 28 19:05 |
| Omar87 | Hi all. | Jan 28 19:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] RT @ahmedmaher_twitعندما تظن أن كل شيء حولك يعاندك ويقاومك ، تذكر أنك لن تستطيع أن ترتفع إلا إذا سرت ضد الجاذبية الأرضية | Jan 28 19:05 | |
| MinceR | nod32 is horrible | Jan 28 19:06 |
| MinceR | hay Omar87 | Jan 28 19:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Not to change the subject, but | Jan 28 19:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | M$ and Silverlight | Jan 28 19:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | as it relates to M$ attempt, which is now | Jan 28 19:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | achieved | Jan 28 19:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | with Blockbuster using MS DRM (most likely Silverlight) | Jan 28 19:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | on their instant view as well as Netflix | Jan 28 19:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | M$ basically paid them both, I believe | Jan 28 19:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | to get this monopoly | Jan 28 19:08 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.blockbusterhelp.com/showthread.php?t=7 | Jan 28 19:08 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: BLOCKBUSTER On Demand for PC FAQ - Forums .::. Size~: 39.83 KB | Jan 28 19:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | requirements, NET 3.51 IE WMP 10 | Jan 28 19:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | doesn't say Silverlight, but somehow I think it probably requires it? | Jan 28 19:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Quote from the link: "6. Why doesn't BLOCKBUSTER support Apple, iPhone or iPod? As is the case with all legal providers of downloaded movies, BLOCKBUSTER is required by the content owners to protect the movies from piracy. To satisfy those requirements, BLOCKBUSTER uses Microsoft's Windows Media Digital Rights Management which operates on Microsoft PCs and other devices which embed Microsoft's technology, and is | Jan 28 19:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Here is M$ once again using its monopoly leverage to exclude other systems | Jan 28 19:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and to limit what rights users have | Jan 28 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: It's just so obvious that the BSA is paying off antivirus makers to detect cracks for their products as viruses | Jan 28 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | these signatures get slipped in with the usual pattern file updates | Jan 28 19:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The fact that they have both Netflix and Blockbuster, the really only two games in town here (USA), or major players | Jan 28 19:13 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: they don't succeed with ClamAV though, do they? :> | Jan 28 19:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | is monopoly all over again | Jan 28 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | when you can a crack with virus total or something and is uses 44 up to date scanners and onyl 4-5 of the big corporate ones detect the file as a virus | Jan 28 19:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Scotland to make cigarettes way cooler and sexier http://is.gd/7eFkP | Jan 28 19:13 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Scotland to make cigarettes way cooler and sexier | NewsTechnica .::. Size~: 38.4 KB | Jan 28 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | "Win32/Patcher" or "Win32/Banker" or whatever | Jan 28 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | *scan a crack | Jan 28 19:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | each antivirus seems to detect some that others do not. And many detect false postiives and remove them...Some even remove system files. | Jan 28 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | it's usually Norton, McAfee, and ESET NOD32 on the list, and maybe a couple others | Jan 28 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | Norton has removed system files before and left Windows unable to boot! | Jan 28 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | Why in the HELL are people paying them? | Jan 28 19:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Even AVG is better than Norton, McAfee, and Onecare | Jan 28 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | they are slow, they have the worst detection for the price range | Jan 28 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | and they fuck up and destroy Windows themselves sometimes | Jan 28 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 28 19:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Jan 28 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | there's lots of freebies that not only scan faster and take up less resources, but hardly ever get a false positive | Jan 28 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | so why do people pay Norton is the $100,000 question | Jan 28 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | Avast is always in the 98-99% detection range in their freeware | Jan 28 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | I've never seen Norton do that | Jan 28 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is usually in the high 80's | Jan 28 19:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I used a program in Windows called Startup Control Panel, it was basically a freeware program that was a nice shell for msconf | Jan 28 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | there's a lot of payware that gets worse than that, Sunbelt, Sophos, etc. | Jan 28 19:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.mlin.net/ | Jan 28 19:18 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Mike Lin's Home Page .::. Size~: 4.4 KB | Jan 28 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | some payware does as poorly at 60-70% detection | Jan 28 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | at that point, you'd be better off using ClamWin | Jan 28 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | bad detection, but it is free | Jan 28 19:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | by using that program it was easy to install many antivirus programs in windows, and only have one memory resident (shield) | Jan 28 19:19 |
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| DaemonFC | you know, if Microsoft gets 90% detection, that might sound good | Jan 28 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | Jan 28 19:19 | |
| DaemonFC | but 10% of millions of pieces of malware is still a LOT of malware | Jan 28 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | hi | Jan 28 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | hi | Jan 28 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | Hello | Jan 28 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | Hello | Jan 28 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | hell, even 1-2% is an uncomfortably large amount, but Microsoft Security Essentials is leaving this huge gaping hole | Jan 28 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | Jan 28 19:20 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Also, Mike Lin's "Startup Monitor" program did a lot of what UAC program (Vista) did in XP, but better and free | Jan 28 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | something about malware hrm just joined, well no virus scanner or anti spyware or whatever, will pick up on it all | Jan 28 19:21 |
| stavrosLinux | DaemonFC so you say linux is the way to go :) | Jan 28 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | stavrosLinux: Whenever possible or pragmatic | Jan 28 19:21 |
| stavrosLinux | agreed | Jan 28 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | plus once infected by malware only true way to be 100% sure it's gone, would be to clean install the OS, or put on another OS if were running Windows, put a Linux distro on instead for example :D | Jan 28 19:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | antivirus and antimalware only reacts to know threats, it does not usually protect windows users running as admin from completely new forms of malware | Jan 28 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | stavrosLinux: I'd say the next best thing is that if you must use Windows, limit the amount of payware/proprietary software you depend on | Jan 28 19:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and run as a normal user | Jan 28 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | there's a ton of FOSS and freeware on Windows even | Jan 28 19:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | remove IE WMP Outlook and Messinger | Jan 28 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy: Yes, and turn off all the spyware you can | Jan 28 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | like the Customer Experience Improvement Program | Jan 28 19:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, in services | Jan 28 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | Error Reporting | Jan 28 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | etc | Jan 28 19:23 |
| sebsebseb | some malware can infect the BIOS for example, but that's pretty rare | Jan 28 19:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | windose update, and BITS | Jan 28 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | I leave Windows Updte on Notify but don't download or install | Jan 28 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | that way I can refuse updates I don't agree with | Jan 28 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | like "this update patches the DRM in Windows Media Player" | Jan 28 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | "Hide This Update" | Jan 28 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 28 19:24 |
| sebsebseb | as for people who run Windows or Mac OS X by choice, without a proper reason :( freesoftware/opensource OS's :) | Jan 28 19:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Have had so many windows users bring me their failing hard drives. Now some are bad, but most have windows sleath viruses on them and can only be cleaned with programs like DBAN | Jan 28 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | boot sector virus | Jan 28 19:25 |
| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: sleath viruses what does that mean? | Jan 28 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | the great great grandfather of malware | Jan 28 19:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | mostly yes, or worse sleath which is a boot sector usually | Jan 28 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy: I have DEP and ASLR set to mandatory | Jan 28 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | programs don't get to opt out | Jan 28 19:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DBAN is a linux boot cd or floppy which writes zero's to everywhere on a hard drive that can be written , several times | Jan 28 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | and I have my account set up to be a normal user with UAC prompting for the administrator's password | Jan 28 19:26 |
| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: sounds like something the family compurter might have got infected by not that long ago. Since the Windows CD would blue screen for example, and WIndows woudn't boot up since an error message. Ubuntu on that same computer no problem. Then I properly cleaned the hard disk out, and yep XP would install again. | Jan 28 19:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its purpose is for DOF cleaning | Jan 28 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy: The idea is that I want as many roadblocks set up as possible | Jan 28 19:27 |
| MinceR | the winxp installer likes to BSoD-reboot if it sees a partition table it doesn't like | Jan 28 19:27 |
| MinceR | because the idiots at m$ can't code | Jan 28 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of Windows users just keep the default settings and don't even use antivirus | Jan 28 19:27 |
| sebsebseb | DOF cleaning you mean one of the security levels, and I know about Dban, and there are other programs as well that do the same stuff. | Jan 28 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: A lot of the cracks for Windows use GRUB | Jan 28 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | I found that to be funny as all hell | Jan 28 19:28 |
| MinceR | how do they use it? i've never come across such | Jan 28 19:28 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: a lot of Windows users, don't really care about the security of their computer, they just want it to work. | Jan 28 19:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Daemon, yes but, end the end, you figure out, no matter how good you are with windows, its never really secure compared to Linux. Its also never really stable, and never as easy to backup from one computer to another, unless you use a VDI | Jan 28 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: They use a modified GRUB to load a SLP key into the BIOS image in RAM | Jan 28 19:29 |
| MinceR | ic | Jan 28 19:29 |
| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: VDI? | Jan 28 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | that way, OEM serials and licensing certs can be installed | Jan 28 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | and Windows will accept them | Jan 28 19:29 |
| MinceR | isn't it a lot easier to just steal an "enterprise" image? :> | Jan 28 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: No | Jan 28 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | you can also modify your BIOS | Jan 28 19:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | sebsebseb> vdi is virtualbox | Jan 28 19:30 |
| sebsebseb | all this malware for Windows, I guess since their is money to be made, and also since a lot of the malware writers don't like Windows | Jan 28 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | the only difference between a Vista SLP authorization and a Windows 7 one is changing the BIOS SLP version reported | Jan 28 19:30 |
| MinceR | at least i think i remember seeing winblows images that only needed a serial key and didn't do activation at all | Jan 28 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | from 2.0 to 2.1 | Jan 28 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | other than that, they are identical | Jan 28 19:30 |
| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: well yeah virtual machines, just copy them a clean install. or whatever you want to do | Jan 28 19:30 |
| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: esailly copy one for backup | Jan 28 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | and 2.1 will activate Vista too | Jan 28 19:30 |
| sebsebseb | all these computer problems, not just security, thanks to Microsoft (sarcasm yes) | Jan 28 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | SLIC 1.1 was XP | Jan 28 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | but nobody bothered to activate XP that way because it's dangerous to modify the BIOS and there's easier ways to crack XP | Jan 28 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | Microsoft stop computing from becoming much better, well a lot of aspects of it. | Jan 28 19:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | sebsebseb> virtualbox vdi are the ultimate windows backup that Gates hates. Its for people that have to run some program or game in dose. | Jan 28 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: yes I know about virtual machines | Jan 28 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | and like Virtualbox | Jan 28 19:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Virtualbox saves you the 3 day windows install with all the extra programs and antimalware to update | Jan 28 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Basically, SLIC is an attack on individuals installing unlicensed Windows, it's very very very easy for a small systems builder to make one BIOS flash that works and thousands of systems to apply it to | Jan 28 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 28 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: it does not take 3 days to install and set up Windows, well not for most users anyway | Jan 28 19:32 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: SLIC? | Jan 28 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Jan 28 19:33 |
| MinceR | still, it's probably cleaner and easier to crack the code that checks all that crap | Jan 28 19:33 |
| *sebsebseb wanted to work in IT, but then reolized how he would have to work loads with Windows | Jan 28 19:33 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: You could just deactivate or patch the Windows code that checks the licensing status | Jan 28 19:34 |
| MinceR | i've worked in 2 jobs so far in IT and i didn't have to work much with winblows | Jan 28 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Update can trojan something in that breaks that though | Jan 28 19:34 |
| MinceR | still, it was too much | Jan 28 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | Windows has no way of detecting or shutting down the BIOS modification | Jan 28 19:34 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: well depends on the job etc, but I don't know enough to get a proper Linux job at the moment, and there aren't really any proper Linux courses around here | Jan 28 19:35 |
| sebsebseb | so yep Windows | Jan 28 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | so you can use the softmod, but then you shouldn't use updates or service packs after that | Jan 28 19:35 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: ic | Jan 28 19:35 |
| MinceR | well, winblows update made me disable it the last time anyway | Jan 28 19:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | sebsebseb> 3 days for some people, if they had a lot of stuff installed, all their passwords etc | Jan 28 19:36 |
| MinceR | by popping up like an attention whore every 5 minutes while i was trying to run a full-screen app | Jan 28 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Early Vista cracks were based on everything from stopping the grace period timer to installing system files from the Vista Release Candidate that wouldaccept the RC serials | Jan 28 19:36 |
| MinceR | and there was no other way to keep it from doing that | Jan 28 19:36 |
| sebsebseb | Computing is great, with the correct software. No not you Microsoft in the 90's you were ok, to about 2001, but not anymore. | Jan 28 19:36 |
| cubezzz | let's be clear | Jan 28 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Basically, the key to a successful crack is to make certain that Microsoft would inadvertently deactivate and shut down millions of legitimate copies at the same time it went after the exploit | Jan 28 19:37 |
| cubezzz | microsoft was _never_ very good | Jan 28 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | the BIOS mod is the only way that can happen | Jan 28 19:37 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: exactly, which is why I don't want to work with them | Jan 28 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft could shut down every HP machine, but yeah... | Jan 28 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | or every Dell out there, but yeah..... | Jan 28 19:38 |
| MinceR | if only they did so | Jan 28 19:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Well, I basically came here to talk about Blockbuster, and the monopoly that MS is creating here, by using both Netflix and Blockbuster | Jan 28 19:38 |
| MinceR | delicious backlash :> | Jan 28 19:38 |
| cubezzz | we should have all switched to unix systems in the late 80's | Jan 28 19:38 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jan 28 19:38 |
| MinceR | ibm should have never made a deal with m$ | Jan 28 19:39 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: well I would want a better job, but well I soudn't have a big deal with doing some rubbish data entry job, where I am typing stuff up into Word for example, or putting data into a spread sheet, and being paid for it. | Jan 28 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: They're not going to shut down every HP or Dell even to stop thousands of people using HP or Dell SLIC keys | Jan 28 19:39 |
| sebsebseb | shoudn't hrm that was meant to be woudn't, silly typeos | Jan 28 19:39 |
| MinceR | cp/m and vms should have died like the dinosaurs they are | Jan 28 19:39 |
| MinceR | crApple should have dismissed like the joke it always was | Jan 28 19:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I see the Netflix/Blockbuster attempt by MS as a failure of Adobe to compete with them. | Jan 28 19:39 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: computing didn't become main streame untill the PC, and so yep Windows | Jan 28 19:39 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: everything before that, the average computer user doesn't know or care about | Jan 28 19:40 |
| cubezzz | PCs were all text based for a long time! | Jan 28 19:40 |
| sebsebseb | they just want to use a computer for whatever they are doing and that's that | Jan 28 19:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and we need Adobe to compete with MS, in order to prevent MS establishing another monopoly | Jan 28 19:40 |
| sebsebseb | computers are more than a tool really | Jan 28 19:40 |
| sebsebseb | or well | Jan 28 19:40 |
| MinceR | we need adobe to die | Jan 28 19:40 |
| MinceR | preferable after m$ dies | Jan 28 19:40 |
| cubezzz | before that we used word processors, also text based | Jan 28 19:40 |
| MinceR | s/ble/bly/ | Jan 28 19:40 |
| sebsebseb | they are a tool, but one where you get chances of tools for a task, as in software for a task | Jan 28 19:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | true | Jan 28 19:40 |
| sebsebseb | ,but people tend to just use the tool that most other users use as well | Jan 28 19:41 |
| sebsebseb | and just, because something is popular and used by many people, does not mean that it is acstaully that good | Jan 28 19:41 |
| cubezzz | it's not :) | Jan 28 19:41 |
| sebsebseb | chances of tool above, uh choices of tools | Jan 28 19:41 |
| cubezzz | News or X Windows was decent though | Jan 28 19:41 |
| MinceR | it was called X Window :> | Jan 28 19:42 |
| cubezzz | sorry :) | Jan 28 19:42 |
| MinceR | and it wasn't only decent, it was revolutionary | Jan 28 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | give the average computer user Ubuntu, and help them out a bit with it, and yep most will be rather happy indeed with it | Jan 28 19:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | windows users use windows, because they know windows, and it was hard for them to learn. So they fear learning Linux, as windows was hard to learn, therefore they think Linux will too | Jan 28 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | if all someone wants to do is basics, they really don't need Windows these days | Jan 28 19:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | And most windows users had someone to help them learn, a relative, a friend | Jan 28 19:43 |
| cubezzz | I taught my parents Linux without difficulty | Jan 28 19:43 |
| cubezzz | and they are old :) | Jan 28 19:43 |
| MinceR | what winblows users miss is that they'll have to learn vista or vista7 if they want to stay with winblows | Jan 28 19:43 |
| MinceR | and then the next gui disaster after those | Jan 28 19:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Cubezzz> exactly my point | Jan 28 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: sure, and some young children are lucky enough to use Ubuntu already | Jan 28 19:43 |
| cubezzz | Unix System V was _hard_ | Jan 28 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | Desktop Linux is for all computer using ages | Jan 28 19:44 |
| cubezzz | Linux is not hard | Jan 28 19:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Linux will spread in the same manor as windows did, with a friend or relative to teach them the better way | Jan 28 19:44 |
| cubezzz | at least I don't think modern Linux is hard | Jan 28 19:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | someone to show them thats its not hard | Jan 28 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: it's not, well depending on the distro, and Ubuntu, and Mandriva, and so on, two releases a year | Jan 28 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: keep on improving | Jan 28 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | where as with Windows well | Jan 28 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | a new release every three years or so | Jan 28 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | Windows 7 really is Vista version 2 | Jan 28 19:45 |
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| sebsebseb | XP is rather similar to 2000 | Jan 28 19:45 |
| cubezzz | windows is slow, that's my 2nd criticism | Jan 28 19:45 |
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| sebsebseb | 2000 is quite similar to Windows 98 really? | Jan 28 19:45 |
| cubezzz | my 1st criticism is it's closed source of course | Jan 28 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | Windows 98 is rather similar to WIndows 95? | Jan 28 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | Windows 3.1 is really just a GUI for DOS | Jan 28 19:45 |
| cubezzz | and Windows 3.1, and Windows 3.0 and Windows 2.0 :) | Jan 28 19:46 |
| cubezzz | how far back do you want to go :) | Jan 28 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | Windows hasn't really properly improved as an OS since Windows 95 | Jan 28 19:46 |
| MinceR | windows stopped improving after xp :> | Jan 28 19:46 |
| MinceR | maybe earlier | Jan 28 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | oh more software running on Windows and more hardware working on it, right, but | Jan 28 19:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | 2010 will be an interesting year. I predict WinMO loses the cellphone market almost entirely. WinMO (CE) is really only be developed to keep Linux off ARM | Jan 28 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | that wasn't Microsoft that did most of that | Jan 28 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | that was other developers, because Windows gained most of the desktop market | Jan 28 19:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ballmer has a good chance of being sacked in 2010 | Jan 28 19:47 |
| cubezzz | I didn't even like win2K | Jan 28 19:47 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: that sounds about right | Jan 28 19:47 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: well there's Server 2003, which is meant to be quite a lot better than XP as a desktop OS | Jan 28 19:47 |
| cubezzz | who can sack him? | Jan 28 19:47 |
| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: yes I know about that, Ballmer is on his way out it seems | Jan 28 19:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | w2000 was really the last windows OS before they jumped completely on the DRM wagon | Jan 28 19:48 |
| MinceR | they always seem to _mean_ to improve, but they rarely manage to do it :> | Jan 28 19:48 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: same with KDE and Gnome maybe :D heh heh | Jan 28 19:48 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: well I have used them since 2004, and a know a tiny bit about the history | Jan 28 19:49 |
| MinceR | KDE improved all the time, except from 4.0 to 4.2 | Jan 28 19:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS is far more concerned about DRM and lockin than improvements, its why they need to hide everything with eye candy anymore | Jan 28 19:49 |
| sebsebseb | they make a new major version of Gnome or KDE | Jan 28 19:49 |
| MinceR | gnome improved until they decided to copy macos instead of kde, then it got into a downward spiral | Jan 28 19:49 |
| sebsebseb | and all users of the previous version, don't just start using the next happiley | Jan 28 19:49 |
| sebsebseb | ,because they remove features etc | Jan 28 19:49 |
| sebsebseb | quite a lot of people today still wanting to use KDE 3.5 for example | Jan 28 19:49 |
| cubezzz | lol, like me | Jan 28 19:50 |
| cubezzz | except I use 3.4.2 :) | Jan 28 19:50 |
| MinceR | i'd like to have 3.5 installed beside 4.3 | Jan 28 19:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I am one of those with KDE 3.5 | Jan 28 19:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | To be truthful, I don't hate KDE 4 | Jan 28 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb: Yeah, but there's some incompatibilities between Server 2008 R2 and Windows 7 | Jan 28 19:50 |
| MinceR | i don't hate KDE4 either, i just don't consider its versions from 4.0 to 4.2 to be stable releases :> | Jan 28 19:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But Mepis 8 with KDE3.5 is very comfy for me right now | Jan 28 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | antivirus doesn't like to install unless you paid them $300 for the server version | Jan 28 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | some games freak out if they don't find the Games Explorer | Jan 28 19:51 |
| MinceR | and iirc "windows server" (contradiction in terms) has some default settings that are very unsuitable for desktop use | Jan 28 19:52 |
| MinceR | of course you can fix them, but it's just more hassle | Jan 28 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | so you need to borrow some files from Windows 7 to drop into the System32 folder and make some programs happy on Server 2008 R2 | Jan 28 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Audio service is off, if you turn it on it's still low priority and likes to skip | Jan 28 19:52 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Server 2008, Vista, and Windows 7, is there any proper reason to use them? The only reason those got made is for Microsoft to make even more money, XP and 2003, are good enough. | Jan 28 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | have to fix that in the registry | Jan 28 19:52 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: so whilst XP and 2003 are st ill supported, no proper reason to use the others really | Jan 28 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | IE has "security" settings that keep it from rendering most websites | Jan 28 19:53 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: that's the other thing with propritary software, yes they stop supporting products, trying to get people to buy the next | Jan 28 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | the "Desktop Experience" (AERO and Windows Media Player) isn't there by default | Jan 28 19:53 |
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| DaemonFC | it won't grab drivers from Windows Update for anything it doesn't already have | Jan 28 19:53 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: with opensource/freesoftware yes software loses support, but that's so developers can focus on the later versions, improving those | Jan 28 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | you get to go find them | Jan 28 19:53 |
| MinceR | after seeing how ponderously slow luna is in virtualization, i tend to opt for "classic" anyway :> | Jan 28 19:54 |
| sebsebseb | and Microsoft sell the same thing, quite a few times, with some changes | Jan 28 19:54 |
| sebsebseb | well I guess some of that Windows 7 code, goes back to uhmm Windows 95? | Jan 28 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | not really | Jan 28 19:54 |
| MinceR | some of that vista7 code goes back to cp/m-86, bsd and vms | Jan 28 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 95 got the transfusion from NT | Jan 28 19:55 |
| MinceR | it's a mishmash of stolen code, glued together with inhouse crap | Jan 28 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | not so much the other way around | Jan 28 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | Windows NT eventually got DirectX if that's what you mean | Jan 28 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | NT 4 had to use software rendered DirectX though | Jan 28 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | anyway Microsoft and Apple and so on are propritary, better to use opensource/freesoftware :) | Jan 28 19:55 |
| MinceR | hm, did windows nt fix the palette entry 0 bug eventually? | Jan 28 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 2000 got hardware acceleration | Jan 28 19:55 |
| MinceR | i can't really tell as practically nothing uses 256 color video modes nowadays | Jan 28 19:56 |
| sebsebseb | or even software that is really propritary, but freeware | Jan 28 19:56 |
| sebsebseb | if people ony bought software that was properly good, computing would be much better. | Jan 28 19:57 |
| sebsebseb | I mean if people only used propritary software that is properly good. | Jan 28 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb: Windows 95 was the Iran-Contra for DOS users | Jan 28 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 28 19:57 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: the what? | Jan 28 19:58 |
| MinceR | the antichrist? | Jan 28 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | arms for hostages | Jan 28 19:58 |
| cubezzz | the anticomputer :) | Jan 28 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | they knew they wouldn't get people to use NT because they would bitch about losing their DOS apps | Jan 28 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | so that's where Windows 95 came from | Jan 28 19:59 |
| cubezzz | really it's time for people to get off the doze | Jan 28 19:59 |
| MinceR | and because nt was even shittier than 9x | Jan 28 19:59 |
| cubezzz | way past time | Jan 28 19:59 |
| MinceR | it was slow, incompatible and horribly buggy | Jan 28 19:59 |
| MinceR | even winblows games didn't work well with it | Jan 28 20:00 |
| cubezzz | NT could to multi cpu though | Jan 28 20:00 |
| cubezzz | to=do | Jan 28 20:00 |
| MinceR | no home user could afford multiple CPUs though :> | Jan 28 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | NT was far better than 95 | Jan 28 20:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | NT was the best MS could do, but a lot of NT was what they learned also from IBM OS/2 which they jointly done for awhile | Jan 28 20:00 |
| cubezzz | was there a NT 1.0? | Jan 28 20:00 |
| MinceR | 95 was better for gaming than NT | Jan 28 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | NT 3.1 is where it started | Jan 28 20:01 |
| MinceR | cubezzz: no, they started at 3.x | Jan 28 20:01 |
| cubezzz | ah | Jan 28 20:01 |
| MinceR | it's classic m$ version number inflation | Jan 28 20:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | NT 1.0 was OS/2 v1.0 | Jan 28 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | NT 3.1 can still run some Windows programs | Jan 28 20:01 |
| cubezzz | I only used 4.0 I think | Jan 28 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | including Firefox | Jan 28 20:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | first version of real NT was 3.11, not to be confused with windows for workgroups | Jan 28 20:02 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure what nt versions i've used, but i'm sure i've used nt 4, 2000, xp and vista | Jan 28 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | at the time Windows 95 came otu it had all of its own problems and most of the limitations of NT 4 as well | Jan 28 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | there was no DirectX on either of them | Jan 28 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | there was no Plug and Play | Jan 28 20:02 |
| MinceR | i only used nt4 and win95 at school though | Jan 28 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | they both used their own incompatible driver models | Jan 28 20:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | NT 3.51 still looked like windows for workgroups | Jan 28 20:03 |
| MinceR | the sole win95 machine was popular because it wasn't crippled that much for gaming by nt4 | Jan 28 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: The only thing Windows 95 had on NT 4 was that it was easier to run DOS programs | Jan 28 20:03 |
| MinceR | and that it had less random incompatibilities, no palette index 0 bug, etc | Jan 28 20:03 |
| MinceR | oh, and it wasn't as slow as nt4 | Jan 28 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | gaming on Windows was really unheard of until way after either of them | Jan 28 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | at least hardware accelerated games | Jan 28 20:04 |
| MinceR | hardware acceleration was unheard of for a long time | Jan 28 20:04 |
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| DaemonFC | either 95 or NT 4 could run the same software accelerated ones | Jan 28 20:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | IBM OS/2 Warp version 3 actually had 6% of the desktop market share at one point | Jan 28 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | by Windows 98 and NT 5 (2000), a number of things happened, they both had hardware accelerated DirectX, they both had Plug and Play, and they could both use the Windows Driver Model | Jan 28 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | 2000 was clearly superior to 98 | Jan 28 20:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | only exceeded prehaps by Linux now | Jan 28 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | 95 and NT were a stalemate | Jan 28 20:05 |
| MinceR | at least 98 had dos mode | Jan 28 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | and of course by XP, everyone was using NT 5.1 | Jan 28 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: You can use VDM Sound | Jan 28 20:06 |
| MinceR | what | Jan 28 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | and WDM display drivers allow for full screen DOS apps | Jan 28 20:06 |
| MinceR | yes, for full-screen DOS apps that are unusably slow up to the point when they crash | Jan 28 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | VDM Sound was an add-on to the NT command interpreter that allowed DOS games to emit sound | Jan 28 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | it emulated a Sound Blaster 16 for them | Jan 28 20:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | If you look at what MS is always accused of stealing (idea's) from Apple, which they do, MS actually stole more from OS/2 than Apple. OS/2 Warp 4 (1998) had a built in voice reconiztion, which only recently Vista had | Jan 28 20:07 |
| MinceR | not so great when you had an AWE32 and games that could actually use it | Jan 28 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | not really, I played through lots of DOS games in the NTVDM | Jan 28 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | including Daggerfall | Jan 28 20:07 |
| MinceR | Tyrian, for example | Jan 28 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | the only thing that crashed it were its own bugs | Jan 28 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jan 28 20:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | which shows how far windows is behind | Jan 28 20:08 |
| MinceR | and of course games based on the Doom engine, but those were quickly ported | Jan 28 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | and there's DOSBOX now, so the lack of DOS compatibility in 64-bit Windows is not really an issue | Jan 28 20:08 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jan 28 20:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS has kept the computer world about 12 behind the times | Jan 28 20:08 |
| cubezzz | yup | Jan 28 20:08 |
| MinceR | but why run dosbox under winblows if you can run it under linux? | Jan 28 20:08 |
| cubezzz | yeah I don't :) | Jan 28 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | you can run it on FreeBSD | Jan 28 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | or even your Mac | Jan 28 20:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *years | Jan 28 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | 8-) | Jan 28 20:09 |
| MinceR | the only legitimate use case for winblows on the bare hw i can find now is games that weren't ported | Jan 28 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | feel the 1979 goodness :) | Jan 28 20:09 |
| cubezzz | dosbox is very useful | Jan 28 20:09 |
| MinceR | i don't have a freebsd nor mac, you insensitive clod :> | Jan 28 20:09 |
| cubezzz | but porting stuff is even better | Jan 28 20:09 |
| MinceR | crappy windows-only desktop applications can run on wine or on virtualized winblows | Jan 28 20:09 |
| cubezzz | 1979 is pre MSDOS | Jan 28 20:10 |
| cubezzz | no MS DOS in 1979 | Jan 28 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I made a FreeDOS boot CD to patch my BIOS once | Jan 28 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | I was proud of myself :P | Jan 28 20:10 |
| cubezzz | I know I was using computers in 1979 | Jan 28 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | booting a Core 2 Duo into DOS | Jan 28 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | woot! | Jan 28 20:10 |
| MinceR | i'm pretty sure i wasn't using computers in 1979 | Jan 28 20:10 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 28 20:10 |
| cubezzz | Commodore PET ftw :) | Jan 28 20:11 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: well, my core 2 duo craptop came with a freedos install cd :> | Jan 28 20:11 |
| MinceR | and a printed copy of the GPL | Jan 28 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, and you bought it to run FreeDOS | Jan 28 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | that's a badass FreeDOS rig | Jan 28 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | how many fps do you get on that blinking cursor? | Jan 28 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 28 20:11 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 28 20:11 |
| sebsebseb | some of us were born after 1979 | Jan 28 20:12 |
| MinceR | that's done by the VGA card anyway | Jan 28 20:12 |
| MinceR | the cursor can keep blinking even if your CPU has frozen :> | Jan 28 20:12 |
| cubezzz | we also had TRS-80 Model 1's :) | Jan 28 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | I've had that happen | Jan 28 20:12 |
| cubezzz | with black N white tv connected :) | Jan 28 20:12 |
| MinceR | except perhaps with funky emulation like what Trident's software could do under DOS | Jan 28 20:13 |
| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: yeah I guess most computer users would be using Unix or something Unix based, by now, if Microsoft hadn't come along and messed things up. Or most would have been using something from IBM. | Jan 28 20:13 |
| MinceR | i had (and still have) a sinclair zx spectrum | Jan 28 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: My favorite is when you're playing a game and the system freezes and there's purple, green, and black bars dancing diagnolally across the screen while the soundcard keeps playing the last couple of notes sent to it | Jan 28 20:13 |
| MinceR | IBM would have come up with some unix as soon as PCs could handle it | Jan 28 20:13 |
| MinceR | probably | Jan 28 20:14 |
| cubezzz | it took have gone with BSD | Jan 28 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | *diagonally | Jan 28 20:14 |
| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: exactly though, they keep things years behind, for example the web, since Internet Explorer gained most of the browser market, and it's lack of web standards support | Jan 28 20:14 |
| sebsebseb | oh IE 8s an improvement they say for web standards, right, but quite a lot of people are still using earlier versions | Jan 28 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: A fine tradition that Windows still carries forward | Jan 28 20:14 |
| MinceR | oh, it would be an improvement if it actually used standards by default | Jan 28 20:14 |
| MinceR | instead of relying on nonstandard hacks to enable its more standards-compliant behavior | Jan 28 20:15 |
| MinceR | ie8 is a joke | Jan 28 20:15 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: non snadard hacks to enable standards complaint browser mode hrm? I hardly know anything about IE8 | Jan 28 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: But it's fully CSS 2.1 compliant now, so you can have pretty borders on the page surrounding your Silverlight(R) content | Jan 28 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | hoe can you possibly ding them for this? | Jan 28 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 28 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | *how | Jan 28 20:16 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: pretty borders are 1 pixel off either on ie or on all other browsers? :> | Jan 28 20:16 |
| MinceR | s/are/that are/ | Jan 28 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | after all, web standards are only there to garnish our Flash and Silverlight | Jan 28 20:16 |
| cubezzz | another thing I find interesting is that some ncurses programs still get updated, but I don't think ms dos programs get updated | Jan 28 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | the occasional Java crapplet left to roam the wastelands | Jan 28 20:16 |
| sebsebseb | anyway it's basically screw Windows and Microsoft Office these days, because we got rather good alternatives, but right big problem, most computer users are to ignorant to know that | Jan 28 20:16 |
| MinceR | i know some militantly ignorand computer users | Jan 28 20:17 |
| MinceR | it's really sad | Jan 28 20:17 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: you mean where they want try other stuff? | Jan 28 20:17 |
| sebsebseb | where they won't | Jan 28 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: The standard should be changed then so everyone else is wrong | Jan 28 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | obviously | Jan 28 20:17 |
| sebsebseb | that's something else | Jan 28 20:17 |
| sebsebseb | quite a lot of people think Microsoft are standard | Jan 28 20:17 |
| sebsebseb | are they really a standard nah | Jan 28 20:18 |
| cubezzz | people know Linux exists | Jan 28 20:18 |
| sebsebseb | they are just most used | Jan 28 20:18 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: where they either won't try other stuff or give up on the excuse that it isn't exactly winblows | Jan 28 20:18 |
| cubezzz | ok, some people may be 100% clueless, but most have some idea | Jan 28 20:18 |
| sebsebseb | also when it comes to computing, the only ture real proper standards, are open standards | Jan 28 20:18 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yeah | Jan 28 20:18 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: well I think | Jan 28 20:18 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: or where they're card-carrying m$ cultists and won't believe anything but official m$ lies, regardless of what their senses tell them | Jan 28 20:18 |
| sebsebseb | well Desktop Linux won't win over loads of Windows users in the next few years | Jan 28 20:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Really when you look at patents and what is being patented, you see that codecs, which Bill Gates used to call "multimedia extenstions," were nothing but alogrythems used to encode sound and sight. And then they were used to become dominant on the web, which should have been free. That this type of patent was ever allowed was wrong. | Jan 28 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | ,but if ReactOS becomes ready enough that might just do it | Jan 28 20:19 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: or where they confuse issues with hw vendors not supporting gnu/linux with inherent problems | Jan 28 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | just make sure people know that it's very much like Windows | Jan 28 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | I don't like the world clone when talking about computing | Jan 28 20:19 |
| MinceR | i'd rather give them ylmf os | Jan 28 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: is that the chinese one? | Jan 28 20:19 |
| MinceR | or some gnu/linux distro with xpde | Jan 28 20:19 |
| MinceR | yes | Jan 28 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | anyway a clone means exactly the same | Jan 28 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | so how can ReactOS be a clone of Windows, exactly it can't be | Jan 28 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | so this clone word in computing is silly, just like Abiword is a clone of Micrsooft Word? | Jan 28 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | no it's not the same | Jan 28 20:20 |
| MinceR | reactos is a reimplementation of an inherently flawed design | Jan 28 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | they are both examples of programs that have been made to be very similar to what's from Microsoft, however they aren't actsaul clones, tehy aren't exactly the same thing | Jan 28 20:20 |
| MinceR | but maybe it will be useful on virtual machines eventually | Jan 28 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: well it's going to be using a lot more Wine code soon | Jan 28 20:21 |
| MinceR | to run windows crApps that don't run in wine | Jan 28 20:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ReactOS is nice, but they do things wrong, they fall into the same trap in some ways as MS did. Look at security, no limited user account by default? | Jan 28 20:21 |
| MinceR | then again, their use of wine code makes it unlikely that there will be anything that runs on reactos but not on wine | Jan 28 20:21 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: exactly | Jan 28 20:21 |
| sebsebseb | so both will improve even more | Jan 28 20:21 |
| MinceR | Chips_B_Malroy: they can't help it, they're reimplementing windows design | Jan 28 20:21 |
| sebsebseb | and then people can do Desktop Linux and Wine | Jan 28 20:21 |
| sebsebseb | or if they really do want something like WIndows, ReactOS | Jan 28 20:21 |
| MinceR | i think they're wasting their time | Jan 28 20:22 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: only time will tell us, if they are wasting time or not | Jan 28 20:22 |
| MinceR | i won't hold my breath to see a non-crap OS based on a crap design :> | Jan 28 20:22 |
| sebsebseb | things are starting to go rather mobile now | Jan 28 20:22 |
| sebsebseb | so in 10 years time | Jan 28 20:22 |
| sebsebseb | maybe loads more mobile computer devices, than desktop/laptop | Jan 28 20:23 |
| sebsebseb | desktop/notebook | Jan 28 20:23 |
| sebsebseb | well a notebook is really a mobile device | Jan 28 20:23 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: bingo ReactOS will be a non crap OS, based on a crap OS :D | Jan 28 20:23 |
| MinceR | i doubt it | Jan 28 20:23 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: to what? | Jan 28 20:23 |
| MinceR | i think it will suck somewhat less than windows | Jan 28 20:23 |
| MinceR | but it will still be crippled by its design flaws | Jan 28 20:24 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah maybe so, but even so an interesting project to follow here and there | Jan 28 20:24 |
| sebsebseb | Windows does have certain advantages over Desktop Linux really and the ReactOS people know that | Jan 28 20:24 |
| sebsebseb | and no I don't mean how loads of software just runs on Windows | Jan 28 20:24 |
| sebsebseb | I mean actsaul OS advantages | Jan 28 20:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ? | Jan 28 20:25 |
| MinceR | what are those? | Jan 28 20:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, it will run malware, windows will | Jan 28 20:25 |
| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: well I assume so anyway :D I don't know that much about this stuff | Jan 28 20:25 |
| stavrosLinux | I don;t see reactOS going anywhere, I would bet on Haiku rather than reactOS | Jan 28 20:25 |
| sebsebseb | I guess there is something that Windows has done right | Jan 28 20:25 |
| sebsebseb | that Desktop Linux should do as well really | Jan 28 20:25 |
| MinceR | what have they done right? | Jan 28 20:25 |
| MinceR | nothing, as far as i know | Jan 28 20:25 |
| sebsebseb | stavrosLinux: ah yes Haiku | Jan 28 20:25 |
| sebsebseb | that's another one | Jan 28 20:25 |
| sebsebseb | there's a 3rd party program now, so it can run KDE 4 apps | Jan 28 20:25 |
| stavrosLinux | yep, thats something | Jan 28 20:26 |
| sebsebseb | yes Haiku could turn into something pretty useful for many people, I still got to virtual machine it | Jan 28 20:26 |
| MinceR | is haiku multiuser already? | Jan 28 20:26 |
| sebsebseb | stavrosLinux: it can do The GIMP and such as well, with the 3rd party program | Jan 28 20:26 |
| stavrosLinux | no I dont think so | Jan 28 20:26 |
| MinceR | i hope for their sake that they won't wait until apps become reliant on haiku being single-user | Jan 28 20:27 |
| sebsebseb | when something isn't offical, why is it called 3rd party? what about 1st and 2nd party? | Jan 28 20:27 |
| MinceR | windows did that and we can see the disaster that resulted in | Jan 28 20:27 |
| sebsebseb | `1st is the developer them selves? well then who is 2nd? | Jan 28 20:27 |
| stavrosLinux | I think it has a better chance to absorb KDE because of QT | Jan 28 20:27 |
| sebsebseb | KDE 4 for Windows exists as well | Jan 28 20:27 |
| MinceR | i think 1st party and 2nd party are the user and the OS developer, but i don't know which is which | Jan 28 20:27 |
| sebsebseb | so some apps will run | Jan 28 20:27 |
| MinceR | it seems like a stupid terminology anyway | Jan 28 20:28 |
| sebsebseb | seems they want to make KDE 4 cross platform. also for Mac OS X yep so some apps will run | Jan 28 20:28 |
| sebsebseb | that wasn't clear, you can run some KDE 4 apps natively on Mac OS X as well, not just WIndows | Jan 28 20:28 |
| MinceR | i just don't know why | Jan 28 20:29 |
| MinceR | i really don't see any point to running macos | Jan 28 20:30 |
| MinceR | it doesn't even have the apps to keep me hostage with, unlike windows :> | Jan 28 20:30 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: well seems certain geeks go for it since the consitency | Jan 28 20:30 |
| MinceR | what consistency? | Jan 28 20:30 |
| sebsebseb | also it's what quite a lot of people are going to instead of Desktop Linux, from Windows | Jan 28 20:30 |
| MinceR | where Tiger uses two visual styles at once? :> | Jan 28 20:30 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: how things look similar | Jan 28 20:30 |
| stavrosLinux | to spread KDE as much as possible I think | Jan 28 20:31 |
| MinceR | or where non-macos apps use different looks and put their menubars in a different place? :> | Jan 28 20:31 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: don't know never used it properly, I had a good look around someones Tiger Mac in 2007 though | Jan 28 20:31 |
| sebsebseb | it was offline | Jan 28 20:31 |
| MinceR | or where you tell the damn thing that yes, you want to use the keyboard to navigate the dialog box and you still can't? :> | Jan 28 20:31 |
| sebsebseb | coudn't install stuff etc | Jan 28 20:31 |
| sebsebseb | a lap top yeah | Jan 28 20:32 |
| sebsebseb | really it's the OS I am missing, but screw it I guess, since propritary | Jan 28 20:32 |
| MinceR | and then there are the stupid oddball terms they use, but i blissfully forgot them already | Jan 28 20:32 |
| sebsebseb | hell even Windows is better than Mac OS X in certain ways really, from my limited experience | Jan 28 20:32 |
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| MinceR | indeed it is | Jan 28 20:32 |
| MinceR | windows sucks less than osx in most ways | Jan 28 20:32 |
| sebsebseb | to be fiar, Windows isn't that bad as an OS, once it's been made to be secure enough, and heh heh, I don't mean by just installing anti virus and anti spyware | Jan 28 20:33 |
| sebsebseb | and using a more secure browser instead of IE | Jan 28 20:34 |
| sebsebseb | run limited account yes, only admin when need to, but there are other things that can be done to make it more secure as well | Jan 28 20:34 |
| schestowitz | tessier: no problem with the site | Jan 28 20:34 |
| schestowitz | It was a CMS thing, I think I found a workaround. It was nothing major :-) | Jan 28 20:35 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I think a lot of today's Mac users, use it, because they are ignorant | Jan 28 20:35 |
| sebsebseb | they went to Mac to get away from the viruses and such | Jan 28 20:35 |
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| sebsebseb | what they didn't reolize is that there's something called Ubuntu for example, which they could have used instead | Jan 28 20:35 |
| MinceR | being ignorant is what defines the cult of crApple | Jan 28 20:35 |
| sebsebseb | in fact quite a few Mac users have then gone to Ubuntu, and they find Ubuntu better | Jan 28 20:35 |
| MinceR | maybe because gnome copies macos | Jan 28 20:36 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 28 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | yeah the adverts as well, I am a PC, I am a Mac, they want people to think PC = Windows Mac = whatever Mac runs | Jan 28 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Gnome 2 is good | Jan 28 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | well | Jan 28 20:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Just recovering from a bug going around...feel much better today! New stuff planned for Friday! | Jan 28 20:36 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz yep, can do monday. | Jan 28 20:36 | |
| sebsebseb | they are starting to mess it up a bit before Gnome 3, upstream Gnome | Jan 28 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | as for Gnome 3 I am not so sure about that, from what I read about Gnome Shell and those screen shots I saw | Jan 28 20:37 |
| sebsebseb | GDM 2, and the icons removed in system menu and some of places, I call that a mess up, oh for now it can be turned back on, but when I did the alpha 2 of Lucid in vm from the ISO, well the feature to turn back on, has been removed. I think I read Gnome wanted to do that | Jan 28 20:38 |
| sebsebseb | so yep two mess up's just before Gnome 3 | Jan 28 20:38 |
| sebsebseb | GDM 2, well how it can't be themed like the old one, that kind of thing | Jan 28 20:38 |
| MinceR | oh, one more thing about "consistency" in macos i can remember: drag the drive icon on the trash icon to eject it | Jan 28 20:38 |
| sebsebseb | oh? that sounds like saying the drive is trash | Jan 28 20:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I would not say that Mac users are mostly ignorant. They are right that OS X is more secure out of the box than Vista/Seven, but what isn't? Mac users vote with their wallets, its why in the USA that 90% of laptops costing $100 and up are Mac sales. | Jan 28 20:39 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: I'll be near hype park around 3pm | Jan 28 20:39 |
| sebsebseb | what's on the drive is trash | Jan 28 20:39 |
| _Goblin | ah... | Jan 28 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Monday | Jan 28 20:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Some people just think that an OS should be an applicance | Jan 28 20:39 |
| schestowitz | This way the travel is smoother | Jan 28 20:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Mac is an applicance | Jan 28 20:40 |
| MinceR | if i wanted security, i would sure as hell not go for macos | Jan 28 20:40 |
| sebsebseb | Chips_B_Malroy: what you mean appliance? | Jan 28 20:40 |
| MinceR | they're notoriously slow with their updates | Jan 28 20:40 |
| _Goblin | it would be difficult for me to attend there, I'll be starting work at 2pm | Jan 28 20:40 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: appleiance | Jan 28 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Like s toaster | Jan 28 20:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | In many way GNU/Linux distro's are applicances too | Jan 28 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Tablet without keyboard | Jan 28 20:40 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh a consumer device, that just works? | Jan 28 20:40 |
| sebsebseb | a TV for example | Jan 28 20:40 |
| sebsebseb | well just works, untill the hardware messe's up | Jan 28 20:40 |
| schestowitz | You press the screen, then clowns start dancing in iPhone OS or whatever they call it | Jan 28 20:40 |
| MinceR | nope, only chromium/chrome OS and the firewall distros are an appliance | Jan 28 20:40 |
| MinceR | and the router distros | Jan 28 20:40 |
| schestowitz | "There's a [cr]app for that, too!" | Jan 28 20:40 |
| MinceR | general-purpose distros respect the idea of the general purpose computer | Jan 28 20:41 |
| MinceR | unlike crApple | Jan 28 20:41 |
| schestowitz | [20:40] <sebsebseb> schestowitz: oh a consumer device, that just works? | Jan 28 20:41 |
| schestowitz | No | Jan 28 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Most products work | Jan 28 20:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | by applicance, I mean setup as a complete system, secure well out of the box, and basically nothing for a regular user to do to run on the internet | Jan 28 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Except Windows :-) | Jan 28 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Otherwise they won't be on the market | Jan 28 20:41 |
| MinceR | most products work, just not very well :> | Jan 28 20:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "internet applicance" is the term I should have used | Jan 28 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Appliance is a buzzword like "consumer" and "unwashed masses" or :"innovation" | Jan 28 20:41 |
| schestowitz | You can call everything an appliance | Jan 28 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Even a solid Turing machine you build in a garage | Jan 28 20:42 |
| MinceR | if only i could build a Turing machine in a garage :> | Jan 28 20:42 |
| schestowitz | "Appliance" Certified Product | Jan 28 20:42 |
| MinceR | infinite storage! | Jan 28 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Approved by the Federal Appliances Commission (FAC!) | Jan 28 20:42 |
| schestowitz | FSF got some publicity from this event | Jan 28 20:43 |
| schestowitz | That's good | Jan 28 20:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, Roy, applicance was not the right word, something else would have been a better selection | Jan 28 20:45 |
| MinceR | i think it's the right word | Jan 28 20:45 |
| MinceR | and i interpret it as "a machine that's aimed at only one task, can do nothing else and the user is prevented/discouraged from trying to deal with its internals" | Jan 28 20:46 |
| MinceR | or a very limited set of tasks anyway | Jan 28 20:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MinceR> Mac would be more of an "applicance" than Linux, as mostly its far less customizable | Jan 28 20:46 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jan 28 20:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, I hope u were able to read my rantings here on Blockbuster/M$ DRM | Jan 28 20:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | monopoly | Jan 28 20:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/home/2010/01/jeepers-creepers-whered-ya-get-them-peepers.html | Jan 28 20:49 |
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| *schestowitz looks up "appliance".... | Jan 28 20:49 | |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yes, I saw that | Jan 28 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | the car place pulled up my credit, there's nothing too bad there | Jan 28 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: there was a lot to read here... fell asleep in the sauna... just 4 hour sleep/night recently... | Jan 28 20:49 |
| MinceR | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2003/08/15/ | Jan 28 20:49 |
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| DaemonFC | but since I'm a "first time buyer" (in the loan system anyway), I either need to make double what I do now or cough up 20% as a down payment | Jan 28 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=3584&dict=CALD&topic=machinery-and-machines | Jan 28 20:50 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: appliance - Definition of appliance noun from Cambridge Dictionary Online: Free English Dictionary and Thesaurus .::. Size~: 28.21 KB | Jan 28 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | Based on this, we might not be able to call computers appliances | Jan 28 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Unless they are tied to another process | Jan 28 20:51 |
| MinceR | not computers, only what crApple is turning them into | Jan 28 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Like a cooker that cooks stuff (microchip just secondary function) | Jan 28 20:51 |
| MinceR | (and in the service of DRM, m$) | Jan 28 20:51 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: did you try eating an iPod Shuttle? | Jan 28 20:51 |
| schestowitz | It tastes like sushi | Jan 28 20:52 |
| stavrosLinux | what do you think about ubuntu-yahoo deal? | Jan 28 20:52 |
| MinceR | nope | Jan 28 20:52 |
| schestowitz | It ends up smelling kind of cr*p | Jan 28 20:52 |
| MinceR | i prefer non-crap food | Jan 28 20:52 |
| MinceR | stavrosLinux: it's vile | Jan 28 20:52 |
| schestowitz | crepe?? | Jan 28 20:52 |
| MinceR | stavrosLinux: i think it's another step in canonical's betrayal of the community it sought to profit from | Jan 28 20:52 |
| schestowitz | iPaq....... | Jan 28 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Remember those? | Jan 28 20:53 |
| schestowitz | i..... | Jan 28 20:53 |
| MinceR | first there was the push for mono, then the push for mono to the detriment of gimp, now this deal to push bingo to the users | Jan 28 20:53 |
| schestowitz | stavrosLinux: they needed to make money | Jan 28 20:53 |
| schestowitz | I don't resent them for it | Jan 28 20:53 |
| schestowitz | But I think they need to find another partner | Jan 28 20:53 |
| stavrosLinux | MinceR: I would think that Mozilla would money from this deal too, otherwise how could this be possible | Jan 28 20:53 |
| MinceR | if they keep on moving in this directory, canonical will be nothing but another novell | Jan 28 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | Mandriva's Adam was PISSED OFF when MarkS told publicly he can't make money from Client | Jan 28 20:54 |
| MinceR | and even one novell is too much | Jan 28 20:54 |
| stavrosLinux | *get | Jan 28 20:54 |
| schestowitz | It was poo-pooing Mandriva's business case too | Jan 28 20:54 |
| MinceR | stavrosLinux: i don't really care of mozilla is making money from this | Jan 28 20:54 |
| MinceR | s/of/if/ | Jan 28 20:54 |
| MinceR | well, except that it might make them accomplices in this crime | Jan 28 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla is an Apple fanboi club | Jan 28 20:55 |
| schestowitz | There are exceptions | Jan 28 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Chris Blizzard is one | Jan 28 20:55 |
| MinceR | i suspected so | Jan 28 20:55 |
| schestowitz | But I think many of the rest are iHeads | Jan 28 20:55 |
| MinceR | i remember jwz | Jan 28 20:55 |
| MinceR | at least he worked for mozilla before he lost his mind | Jan 28 20:55 |
| MinceR | probably still is | Jan 28 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Chris is responsible for the ogg policy, AFACT | Jan 28 20:55 |
| schestowitz | *ICT | Jan 28 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Even now | Jan 28 20:56 |
| schestowitz | But he implemented it | Jan 28 20:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | A Television is an applicance. What M$ attempts to do with DRM/Silverlight is in some ways trying to turn the computer into an applicance TV that they control. | Jan 28 20:56 |
| stavrosLinux | well if mozilla is teaming with yahoo-ms we should know | Jan 28 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Opera was a BIG pusher for Ogg | Jan 28 20:56 |
| schestowitz | They also deserve credit | Jan 28 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Lie did a lot of work | Jan 28 20:56 |
| schestowitz | THeir CEO quit recently | Jan 28 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Google is adding Ogg soon, right? | Jan 28 20:56 |
| schestowitz | I can't recall to what extent | Jan 28 20:56 |
| schestowitz | They also biught codec | Jan 28 20:57 |
| MinceR | i haven't heard of google adding ogg support yet | Jan 28 20:57 |
| schestowitz | They didn't say what they would do with it | Jan 28 20:57 |
| schestowitz | They experiment with html5 | Jan 28 20:57 |
| schestowitz | I reckon they might later merge the whole shebang with their codec | Jan 28 20:57 |
| schestowitz | It gives them more power, they could give it royalty free | Jan 28 20:57 |
| schestowitz | As long as they make the Web more FOSS-compatible I don't mind | Jan 28 20:57 |
| stavrosLinux | maybe its a sign that all companies will team up against google =-O | Jan 28 20:58 |
| schestowitz | I remember what it was like using the Web with Linux at the beginning of last decade... painful | Jan 28 20:58 |
| schestowitz | stavrosLinux: not really, I don't think | Jan 28 20:58 |
| schestowitz | stavrosLinux: Here's the weird thing | Jan 28 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Canonical works WITH google | Jan 28 20:58 |
| schestowitz | On Chromium OS/Chrome OS | Jan 28 20:58 |
| schestowitz | It's Ubuntu tied | Jan 28 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Sokme Debian too | Jan 28 20:59 |
| schestowitz | But they work together | Jan 28 20:59 |
| MinceR | at least they did until the yahoo deal | Jan 28 20:59 |
| schestowitz | So here's Canonical taking a kit at Google... runs to Bartzer | Jan 28 20:59 |
| stavrosLinux | google will use them until no longer needs them | Jan 28 20:59 |
| schestowitz | The Black Widow is Ballmer, not Bartzmer | Jan 28 20:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and if M$ has their way, it could be painful again. Silverlight is the key to them, as Adobe is the easier nut to crack than Google is. The Netflix/Blockbuster buyoff by M$ for movies is a concern | Jan 28 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer will eat Bartzmer when the meal's appetisers (Yahoo! Search) are over | Jan 28 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft always works like this | Jan 28 21:00 |
| schestowitz | stavrosLinux: like Mozilla | Jan 28 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla was betrayed by Chrome | Jan 28 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Google could just use Mozilla | Jan 28 21:00 |
| schestowitz | But it did it itself | Jan 28 21:00 |
| schestowitz | With Webkit, not Gecko even | Jan 28 21:00 |
| schestowitz | But | Jan 28 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Just before Chrome was announced Google gave Mozilla some millions | Jan 28 21:01 |
| schestowitz | And Gogle still gets a lot of traffic from FF users | Jan 28 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Unless they use Ubuntu ! :-) | Jan 28 21:01 |
| MinceR | can the netflix/blockbuster deal be attacked on antitrust grounds? | Jan 28 21:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Google probably feels it needs both Chrome and Firefox | Jan 28 21:01 |
| stavrosLinux | or a goobye gift | Jan 28 21:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Maybe when Ballmer said " I am going F***ing kill Google," someone was listening over there. | Jan 28 21:03 |
| stavrosLinux | more likely is to have windows lose market to chrome OS than google to bing | Jan 28 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Awwwwwwww. how cute: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2010/Jan-27.html | Jan 28 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | Migi and the boyz already shill for iPad | Jan 28 21:05 |
| schestowitz | They bring Microsoft to it | Jan 28 21:05 |
| stavrosLinux | that gives google opportunity to turn Huge | Jan 28 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: browsers are easy to make | Jan 28 21:06 |
| schestowitz | There are small (even one-man teams) that make some | Jan 28 21:06 |
| schestowitz | They built them from commodity Free software, off the shelf | Jan 28 21:06 |
| stavrosLinux | imagine a team of Apple, MS, Canonical, Mozilla vs Google | Jan 28 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Chrome uses KDE with some Apple patches | Jan 28 21:06 |
| stavrosLinux | :-D | Jan 28 21:07 |
| schestowitz | khtml | Jan 28 21:07 |
| schestowitz | He works for Nokia now, I think | Jan 28 21:07 |
| schestowitz | He joined them some years ago | Jan 28 21:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I would like to see real free market competition in the online streaming video market. Having a convicted criminal monopolist buying both Netflix and Blockbuster, the only real big players for this, (at least in the USA) is not in the interests of users. Its leverage by a monopolist to create another monopoly, and to lock out competing operating systems. | Jan 28 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Then Nokia bought Qt | Jan 28 21:07 |
| schestowitz | He's Norwegian IIRC, can't recall his name | Jan 28 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Nokia is NERVOUS abouut Google | Jan 28 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Android eats Symbian | Jan 28 21:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | by buying I mean the service, not he companies | Jan 28 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: pls don't say "Free market' | Jan 28 21:08 |
| schestowitz | It means all sorts of things | Jan 28 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Compeitition - OK | Jan 28 21:08 |
| MinceR | also, there's google maps vs ovi maps | Jan 28 21:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | to most here, it means what capitalism in a better world was | Jan 28 21:09 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: and Nokia tried music | Jan 28 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Nokika will become extinct after many many years as pride of .fi | Jan 28 21:09 |
| MinceR | i hope not | Jan 28 21:09 |
| MinceR | they own one of the few (or only?) mobile platforms that are actually worth considering | Jan 28 21:09 |
| MinceR | for the future | Jan 28 21:09 |
| MinceR | Maemo | Jan 28 21:09 |
| schestowitz | The Fins have always feared the Russian | Jan 28 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Brin is really giving it to them now | Jan 28 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Maemo is nice | Jan 28 21:10 |
| schestowitz | But people adore brands like Apple and Google | Jan 28 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Some actually choke on their coffee on "Microsoft" | Jan 28 21:10 |
| MinceR | the hypePhone OS is useless and so is android | Jan 28 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Crime fetish maybe.... | Jan 28 21:10 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it IS | Jan 28 21:10 |
| schestowitz | I am amazed | Jan 28 21:11 |
| schestowitz | I thought about it earlier | Jan 28 21:11 |
| schestowitz | This dude in the sauna with a paper and Jobs on the front page | Jan 28 21:11 |
| MinceR | OpenMoko is dead or doomed because they don't support UMTS | Jan 28 21:11 |
| schestowitz | I thought about that picture with 4 iphones combined and chuckled | Jan 28 21:11 |
| schestowitz | 4 times dumber | Jan 28 21:11 |
| schestowitz | 4 dumb stations with *NEW* *NEW* copy & paste.. | Jan 28 21:11 |
| MinceR | 4 times heavier and bulkier | Jan 28 21:11 |
| schestowitz | To replace a computer with keyboard and real apps | Jan 28 21:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I suspect that both Jobs and Ballmer will be gone soon as CEO's | Jan 28 21:12 |
| MinceR | i doubt that the cult could do withough jobs | Jan 28 21:12 |
| MinceR | they've built a cult of personality for him | Jan 28 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: when Apple slows | Jan 28 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Like with BillG | Jan 28 21:12 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Verified By Visa and MasterCard SecureCode may actually be used to fund terrorism, do nothing to stop identity theft http://ur1.ca/kxu1 | Jan 28 21:12 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #FCC apparently is anti-Net Neutrality, wtf? http://ur1.ca/kv14 | Jan 28 21:12 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #iPhone OS allows VoIP officially, but still can't multitask to actually let you use it http://ur1.ca/kxu8 #apple #douchebags | Jan 28 21:12 | |
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| schestowitz | Pearly wanted to be SEEN as leaving on a high note | Jan 28 21:12 |
| schestowitz | But he realised that to get his orgasm he'll need new monopolies that go up, not down | Jan 28 21:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Jobs just has had too many health problems | Jan 28 21:13 |
| schestowitz | He's not a computer guy | Jan 28 21:13 |
| schestowitz | He never was | Jan 28 21:13 |
| schestowitz | So he snak his teeth on Monsanto and stuff | Jan 28 21:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I don't wish him bad | Jan 28 21:13 |
| MinceR | i do | Jan 28 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Now they build an uber-mansion for the Gates Investfirm Firm(TM) | Jan 28 21:13 |
| schestowitz | They probably will decorate it with photos of hungry black kids | Jan 28 21:14 |
| MinceR | none of these criminals can possibly suffer as much as the damage they've caused to others | Jan 28 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Perfect disguise for ehite-collar crime | Jan 28 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Steal the world's food, make it seem like charity | Jan 28 21:14 |
| schestowitz | There are some good storyline/move plots that go like this | Jan 28 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Constant Gardner | Jan 28 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Shocking film | Jan 28 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Made me uneayf for days | Jan 28 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Phramas... like the one Gates is investing in ans shilling on... experimenting with 'cheap' life in Africa | Jan 28 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Slow news day today... relatievly speaking | Jan 28 21:17 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] JD Salinger, author of Catcher in the Rye, owner of giant brass balls, dies at 91 http://ur1.ca/kxua | Jan 28 21:17 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Google wants to fix DNS load balancing correctly, yay http://ur1.ca/kxm8 | Jan 28 21:17 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Challenger accident happened 24 years ago, 7 brave men and women died doing what they loved http://ur1.ca/kxuj #science | Jan 28 21:17 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Apple #iPad is not only shit, but DRM laden shit (more so than usual) http://ur1.ca/kxul | Jan 28 21:17 | |
| schestowitz | Whys o serious...? http://www.itworld.com/open-source/94103/linux-foundation-world-get-a-job | Jan 28 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.3.5.php | Jan 28 21:20 |
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| amd-linux | hello roy, are the ms results for this quarter already out? | Jan 28 21:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.uphaa.com/blog/index.php/usb-key-hilarius/ | Jan 28 21:22 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bill_Gates "One thing we have got to change in our strategy - allowing Office documents to be rendered very well by other peoples browsers is one of the most destructive things we could do to the company. We have to stop putting any effort into this and make sure that Office documents very well depends on PROPRIETARY IE capabilities." | Jan 28 21:22 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: I don't know | Jan 28 21:22 |
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| schestowitz | I don't think they will be interetsing, either | Jan 28 21:23 |
| schestowitz | They'll be out no earlier than 5 or 4:30 SET | Jan 28 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Then comes the press release | Jan 28 21:23 |
| *_Goblin has quit ("Lost terminal") | Jan 28 21:23 | |
| schestowitz | Then the sheeple | Jan 28 21:23 |
| schestowitz | The first people to just copy the press release | Jan 28 21:23 |
| schestowitz | And say... "fmnkldsnfkldsnfkln," according to Microsoft | Jan 28 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Spinner "yes men" | Jan 28 21:24 |
| schestowitz | "Internet Explorer is the most secure," according to Microsoft | Jan 28 21:24 |
| schestowitz | "Vista is loved by all," according to Microsoft | Jan 28 21:25 |
| amd-linux | http://www.microsoft.com/msft/earnings/fy10/earn_rel_q2_10.mspx | Jan 28 21:25 |
| schestowitz | "Gates is a philanthropist," according to Microsoft | Jan 28 21:25 |
| amd-linux | published a few seconds ago | Jan 28 21:25 |
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| schestowitz | amd-linux: improper comparisons | Jan 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | “This is a record quarter for Windows units" | Jan 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Notice that ignore the other divisions | Jan 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Cause they had a new release | Jan 28 21:27 |
| schestowitz | As expected | Jan 28 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Their CFO quit | Jan 28 21:27 |
| amd-linux | well it is the typical corporate talk | Jan 28 21:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Remember, if you go back two quarters, that MS withheld Windows Seven revenue, to add in this quarter I believe | Jan 28 21:27 |
| amd-linux | lets see what analysts say. and why they are so quiet about the rest of their portfolio | Jan 28 21:27 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: MSFT shares were down 2% today | Jan 28 21:28 |
| schestowitz | After hours they barely move | Jan 28 21:28 |
| schestowitz | That's telling | Jan 28 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: last quarter WIndows income was down 50% | Jan 28 21:29 |
| schestowitz | 40% | Jan 28 21:29 |
| schestowitz | It suits their lie this time around | Jan 28 21:29 |
| schestowitz | The illusion of sales success | Jan 28 21:29 |
| schestowitz | "MSFT -0.51 (-1.72%) " | Jan 28 21:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.therussellfamily.org/~doug/?p=52 | Jan 28 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Some people don't like DKE4, I gues | Jan 28 21:30 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Russell Family .::. Size~: 56.37 KB | Jan 28 21:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Gates you have to understand some, from a moral standpoint. I don't believe he really had a moral upbringing, or religion played any role in it. Gates quote: " Just in terms of allocation of time resources, religion is not very efficient. There's a lot more I could be doing on a Sunday morning. " | Jan 28 21:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Now myself I don't go to chuch on sunday morning. But one thing I have noticed | Jan 28 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Holy *. Bit fonts: 20 Ubuntu Karmic Annoyances | Jan 28 21:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.rockyhillside.net/Blogs/index.php/2010/01/27/ubuntu_karmic_paper_cuts | Jan 28 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: he doesn't sleep much | Jan 28 21:33 |
| schestowitz | But he's trying to unrich himself by all means possible by telling himself he helps | Jan 28 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Tyrants always think that way | Jan 28 21:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | As people become old. and they know their time is limited, many become religious, because of the promise of the afterlife. Gates I think, is not a believer at all. Neither do I think he got morals from early exposure to religion. | Jan 28 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Even history's most vicious ones | Jan 28 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: making statements like that is not politically wise in the US | Jan 28 21:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | true, be you know I don't care | Jan 28 21:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I say it like I see it | Jan 28 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Even my own relatives in the US believes in an invisible man | Jan 28 21:34 |
| schestowitz | *believe | Jan 28 21:34 |
| schestowitz | But I don't roll my eyes | Jan 28 21:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | It was not really a statement about religion, but about what Gates thinks, and why he does the thinks he does | Jan 28 21:35 |
| schestowitz | It's not fun ending up in a disucssion where they feel insulted | Jan 28 21:35 |
| schestowitz | For the same reason I won't bother becoming LInux support guy by migrating friends to it | Jan 28 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Unless they themselves choose to do it | Jan 28 21:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Religion does in many ways provide the basic for many people's moral standard. But in Gates case, I think religion failed. | Jan 28 21:36 |
| schestowitz | He has no morals | Jan 28 21:36 |
| schestowitz | But he preaches "Jihad" | Jan 28 21:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | we agree | Jan 28 21:36 |
| schestowitz | I guess "Jihad" to him means something else | Jan 28 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Like destroying all those "Evil" companies like Netscape.... and Linux | Jan 28 21:37 |
| schestowitz | "LUNIX" he called it | Jan 28 21:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it means crushing all those who stand in his way of more power | Jan 28 21:37 |
| schestowitz | There's this picture where he bears a Nazi-like flag | Jan 28 21:37 |
| schestowitz | That's kind of how he thinks | Jan 28 21:37 |
| schestowitz | They too had this Utopian elitist view of the world | Jan 28 21:37 |
| schestowitz | We are angles, so we need everyone to be our mirror | Jan 28 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is the same | Jan 28 21:38 |
| schestowitz | We must admire COM, C#, Silver Lie....... | Jan 28 21:38 |
| schestowitz | "Follow Microsoft and life will be gold....." | Jan 28 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Go to school | Jan 28 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Learn WIndows | Jan 28 21:38 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft Youth" | Jan 28 21:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | My guess is Bill is an aethist. Not that all aethists are bad. But in Bill's case, he did not get a moral value from his lack of religion. He grew up where Lawyers were repected by winning and getting rich, those are his values. | Jan 28 21:39 |
| schestowitz | "Some people will object to the deal automatically, because, last year, Microsoft emerged as one of Yahoo!'s major partners. As I write, I am sure that others are already reflexively ranting about how Ubuntu is inching closer to Microsoft, citing its use of Mono applications as further proof of this alleged trend. " | Jan 28 21:39 |
| MinceR | mikro$oftjugend? | Jan 28 21:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/The-choices-inside-Ubuntu | Jan 28 21:39 |
| schestowitz | Bruce trivialises it? I dunnnnno....... | Jan 28 21:39 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yes | Jan 28 21:40 |
| schestowitz | But you're implying ethics shall come from religion | Jan 28 21:40 |
| schestowitz | I disagree | Jan 28 21:40 |
| schestowitz | RMS has ethics and he's an atheists | Jan 28 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Or realist | Jan 28 21:40 |
| schestowitz | It depends on upbringing | Jan 28 21:40 |
| MinceR | (or is that mikro$chlapp?) | Jan 28 21:40 |
| schestowitz | IMHO, Gates grew up in a greedy environment and to win endorsement from his Gates (who shares the same name) he needs to rob more people | Jan 28 21:41 |
| schestowitz | It's a currency of power | Jan 28 21:41 |
| schestowitz | We need to eradicate greed | Jan 28 21:41 |
| schestowitz | It's not a problem of theism | Jan 28 21:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | It seem that I am implying that, but not really. Humanists are another form of ethics, Philosphy, emphany. | Jan 28 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Just a sick mentality | Jan 28 21:41 |
| amd-linux | MS earning in one sentence: everything down excpet win 7: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10443802-56.html?tag=newsEditorsPicksArea.0 | Jan 28 21:41 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft's bottom line gets a Windows 7 boost | Beyond Binary - CNET News .::. Size~: 72.3 KB | Jan 28 21:41 |
| amd-linux | except | Jan 28 21:41 |
| schestowitz | There's this documenatry about the Russian mafia I watched last week | Jan 28 21:41 |
| schestowitz | One of the guys there, "Tarzan", is mentally ill for his love for money | Jan 28 21:42 |
| schestowitz | He says he must make a lot of money, even if it means crime | Jan 28 21:42 |
| schestowitz | He said he'd go anywhere to do it | Jan 28 21:42 |
| schestowitz | To the camea | Jan 28 21:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | what I do imply, is the masses, do get mostly their only values from religion. It is possilble to get from other sources as well. | Jan 28 21:42 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] More truth about the #Apple #iPad http://ur1.ca/kxwb | Jan 28 21:42 | |
| schestowitz | He went to Russian to buy a nuclearn submarine to smuggle drugs from Colobia | Jan 28 21:42 |
| schestowitz | The FBI busted him | Jan 28 21:42 |
| schestowitz | /Russian/Russia/ | Jan 28 21:42 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: Ina Fried is Microsoft puppet | Jan 28 21:43 |
| schestowitz | I hate even linking to "it" | Jan 28 21:43 |
| amd-linux | :-) I know, but it was the "best" summary I could find until now.... the rest of the current articles is just recycking of MS trash talk | Jan 28 21:44 |
| schestowitz | http://monitoringforge.org/ | Jan 28 21:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The puppets can be usefull idiots at times, when they say something wrong about M$ by accident | Jan 28 21:44 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: MonitoringForge: Network Management Software .::. Size~: 46.99 KB | Jan 28 21:44 |
| amd-linux | recycling | Jan 28 21:44 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: I'll write about it maybe in the weekend | Jan 28 21:44 |
| schestowitz | But this one is simple | Jan 28 21:44 |
| schestowitz | There might be more layoffs coming | Jan 28 21:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I loved quoting Andre when he stepped in it | Jan 28 21:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, I think so | Jan 28 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Did they fire him too? | Jan 28 21:45 |
| schestowitz | He's just in Twitter now | Jan 28 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | They fired their shill Don Dodge | Jan 28 21:45 |
| schestowitz | He had to dodge them | Jan 28 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | He didn't shill hard enough, so he got the boot | Jan 28 21:45 |
| schestowitz | They didn't get their money's worth off him :-) | Jan 28 21:46 |
| MinceR | so where do failed shills go? :) | Jan 28 21:47 |
| MinceR | will they learn honesty? :> | Jan 28 21:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MinceR> failed shills, like Andre just create more sock puppets | Jan 28 21:48 |
| MinceR | ic | Jan 28 21:49 |
| MinceR | will the sockpuppets get funding? | Jan 28 21:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The names were changed to protect M$. Sorry I had to rip off Dagnet TV show | Jan 28 21:50 |
| MinceR | the names were changed to protect the guilty :> | Jan 28 21:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *Dragnet | Jan 28 21:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MinceR> same thing | Jan 28 21:51 |
| _Goblin | Andre "Its a shame Michael Jackson didn't live to see Windows 7" Da Co$ta | Jan 28 21:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | This quarter is MS attempt to lie about its profits, by various schemes. One is adding in the Windows Seven revenue that was withheld from 2 quarters. Ballmer needs a good quarter or there will be a shareholder revolt. | Jan 28 21:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ballmer is pulling out all the stops this quarter to keep his job | Jan 28 21:53 |
| MinceR | how much control do shareholders outside the inner circle (gates, ballmer, allen and their pals) have over m$? | Jan 28 21:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1356 | Jan 28 21:54 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: A Look at KDE 4.4 .::. Size~: 34.23 KB | Jan 28 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Here is the Real Vista 7 | Jan 28 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Without the viruses and bloat | Jan 28 21:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Goblin> hear much from Andre these days? He was a good laugh sometimes. | Jan 28 21:54 |
| schestowitz | WIndows Mobile-dead | Jan 28 21:54 |
| schestowitz | WInMob-dead | Jan 28 21:54 |
| schestowitz | There's also a death of ZunePinkDanger coming | Jan 28 21:55 |
| MinceR | it's really insulting to call KDE that, you know | Jan 28 21:55 |
| schestowitz | And the world goes mobile and SaaS | Jan 28 21:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, WinMo is dead on cellphones only. | Jan 28 21:55 |
| _Goblin | He's popped up on my blog a couple of times. | Jan 28 21:55 |
| MinceR | KDE is easily flexible enough to make windows look like osx | Jan 28 21:55 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it's insulting they copied kde4 | Jan 28 21:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hoping WinMO (CE) will lose on ARM Smartbooks as well | Jan 28 21:55 |
| _Goblin | Andre seems to be less active (under his known alias's) | Jan 28 21:55 |
| MinceR | i think it's almost certain that wince will lose on smartbooks too | Jan 28 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he's Mr. Eee now | Jan 28 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Next up: Mr. Fee :-) | Jan 28 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Time to pay up the shill | Jan 28 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Dee is ousted | Jan 28 21:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Goblin, he has to use sock puppets now, as he has been exposed and is an embarrasment to MS | Jan 28 21:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | adacosta is another one\ | Jan 28 21:57 |
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| MinceR | Mr. Eef | Jan 28 21:59 |
| MinceR | should have started with Mr. Aaa | Jan 28 21:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MinceR> winCE I am not convinced will lose here in the USA. It could be another dumping scheme by MS to keep users from trying Linux | Jan 28 21:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | on ARM smartbooks that is | Jan 28 22:00 |
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| MinceR | so they aren't trying to succeed, only to block the customers from getting smartbooks with gnu/linux | Jan 28 22:01 |
| MinceR | that's going to cost m$ a lot :> | Jan 28 22:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | agreed, but M$ has to protect the home mature markets when most of its revenue comes from | Jan 28 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | heh, why am I listening to Eminem? | Jan 28 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | singing along no less | Jan 28 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | taking joy in quality lyrics like "wouldn't piss on fire to put you out" | Jan 28 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | and what is it doing on my radio channel, and where did I memorize this? | Jan 28 22:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Look now that WinMo version 7 is not due to come out until the same appoximate time as Google Chrome OS. | Jan 28 22:05 |
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| wispygalaxy | what's up? | Jan 28 22:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | My understanding is, tht Chrome OS is for smartbooks, and Android is for cellphones. | Jan 28 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | MPEG-4 OS | Jan 28 22:06 |
| DiabloD3 | thats not quite right | Jan 28 22:06 |
| wispygalaxy | i think android might go on netbooks, too | Jan 28 22:07 |
| DiabloD3 | chromeos is converting to android as well | Jan 28 22:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | So the timing of the WinMo 7 is to compete with Chrome OS and not Android OS | Jan 28 22:07 |
| DiabloD3 | they only used "real" linux because they needed 3D accel, ie, X, because Wayland doesnt do it (yet, but its being worked on) | Jan 28 22:07 |
| wispygalaxy | roy, are you here? | Jan 28 22:07 |
| DiabloD3 | so android and chromeos will only be UI methodologies instead of operating systems (they'll both be androidy underneath) | Jan 28 22:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DiabloDe> agreed, but there is still a bit of a separation currently in the destinatioin of each so far | Jan 28 22:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | sorry, for typo, DiabloD3 | Jan 28 22:09 |
| DiabloD3 | yes, the destination is different | Jan 28 22:09 |
| DiabloD3 | but the power of android is the OS | Jan 28 22:09 |
| DiabloD3 | not just the UI. | Jan 28 22:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the destination is the device they were intended to go on | Jan 28 22:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | some apps and programs are for laptops (smarbooks) and some are for the small screen cellphones, that is one of the differences | Jan 28 22:11 |
| DiabloD3 | yes, but all devices are the same thing | Jan 28 22:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | can be | Jan 28 22:11 |
| DiabloD3 | cell phones arent these shitty little embedded turds anymore | Jan 28 22:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | in theory | Jan 28 22:11 |
| DiabloD3 | so its now more related to use case than anything else | Jan 28 22:12 |
| DiabloD3 | like, the difference between a cell phone and a 10 foot UI is very little | Jan 28 22:12 |
| DiabloD3 | even though they're used for radically different things | Jan 28 22:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | some things just work better on the bigger screen and keyboard | Jan 28 22:12 |
| ml2mst | wispygalaxy: nice to see you again, miss you in COLA | Jan 28 22:13 |
| wispygalaxy | hi marti! | Jan 28 22:13 |
| DiabloD3 | Chips_B_Malroy: yes | Jan 28 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | and this is, by far, the most *BANG* | Jan 28 22:14 |
| wispygalaxy | i'll be back in COLA, i just need to find a way to sign my posts | Jan 28 22:14 |
| DiabloD3 | its largely the difference between a "computer" interface and a "human" interface | Jan 28 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | incredible thing I've ever heard..... | Jan 28 22:14 |
| wispygalaxy | i hope that im still not being forged in COLA | Jan 28 22:14 |
| ml2mst | wispygalaxy: unfortunately yes you are. On of the trolls is already forging you | Jan 28 22:15 |
| MinceR | 230116 < DaemonFC> taking joy in quality lyrics like "wouldn't piss on fire to put you out" | Jan 28 22:15 |
| MinceR | what's wrong with that? | Jan 28 22:15 |
| wispygalaxy | i wonder who it is?? | Jan 28 22:15 |
| wispygalaxy | who would forge me | Jan 28 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Nothing I guess | Jan 28 22:15 |
| wispygalaxy | roy did say that if im beingf forged, i must be doing something good for linux advocacy | Jan 28 22:15 |
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| DaemonFC | the fact that I haven't shot anyone yet probably affirms my fitness for gun ownership , MinceR | Jan 28 22:16 |
| MinceR | DiabloD3: so you figure they'll dumb down chrome os even further? | Jan 28 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | that's my theory | Jan 28 22:16 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: do you have a gun? | Jan 28 22:16 |
| ml2mst | wispygalaxy: it's probably the "clogwog" he does that to everyone who has the audacity to write positive about GNU/Linux | Jan 28 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: several | Jan 28 22:16 |
| wispygalaxy | i thought so, marti :P | Jan 28 22:16 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: still not too convincing :> | Jan 28 22:16 |
| wispygalaxy | any new trolls in COLA? | Jan 28 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | were I to risk going to prison over my ex, I'd use the 20 gauge | Jan 28 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | and that's theoretical | Jan 28 22:17 |
| ml2mst | wispygalaxy: don't worry ;-) | Jan 28 22:17 |
| wispygalaxy | haha | Jan 28 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | I just got a letter that our restraining orders on each other have expired | Jan 28 22:17 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 28 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 28 22:17 |
| ml2mst | wispygalaxy: No, the same old crowd, only nymshifting and nymstealing as usual. | Jan 28 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | he made up some shit to get a restraining order on me so I made up some shit to get one on him | Jan 28 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | that way he wouldn't be tempted to come near me and say I was the one that violated the order | Jan 28 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | we'd both be sitting in jail | Jan 28 22:18 |
| wispygalaxy | and the trolls say that i nymshift! | Jan 28 22:18 |
| wispygalaxy | i have been posting under the same name | Jan 28 22:19 |
| ml2mst | wispygalaxy: I understand, I was pissed when Clogwog started forging me, but over time you'll get used to it (well sort of) | Jan 28 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: So like "If you come near me and make me violate your order, we're both fucked, so don't do it" | Jan 28 22:19 |
| wispygalaxy | i can spot the forgers pretty easily, so i check headers | Jan 28 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | I'm just cautious like that | Jan 28 22:19 |
| wispygalaxy | i dont like it when they forge roy, too | Jan 28 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | so then he used the police to harass me, tried to anyway | Jan 28 22:20 |
| wispygalaxy | it's libel. they can't debate his points, so they resort to attacking him personally | Jan 28 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | tried to come here accusing me of stealing a check of his out of the mail | Jan 28 22:20 |
| MinceR | do you use PGP or GPG against forgery? | Jan 28 22:20 |
| wispygalaxy | no i havent yet | Jan 28 22:20 |
| wispygalaxy | but i will soon | Jan 28 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | which I countered by pressing charges on him of filing a false police report against me | Jan 28 22:20 |
| ml2mst | wispygalaxy: of course they do. They parrot everything one saids. Now the GNU/Linux users are "sheeple" for example. | Jan 28 22:20 |
| wispygalaxy | the trolls keep "mee tooing" each other | Jan 28 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | which in Indiana is a Class C Misdemeanor, and he ended up getting 30 days and a $500 fine over lying about me to the police | Jan 28 22:21 |
| wispygalaxy | at least we can see past their idiocy | Jan 28 22:21 |
| ml2mst | Good tip by MinceR, both Roy and me already use GPG. | Jan 28 22:22 |
| wispygalaxy | it's very secure | Jan 28 22:22 |
| wispygalaxy | im trying to figure out how to do it in knode | Jan 28 22:22 |
| wispygalaxy | how did roy do it | Jan 28 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Jan 28 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Let me catch up | Jan 28 22:22 |
| wispygalaxy | hi roy! | Jan 28 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Hold on... | Jan 28 22:23 |
| wispygalaxy | ok :) | Jan 28 22:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Bill Gates: "You see, antiquated ideas of kindness and generosity are simply bugs that must be programmed out of our world. And these cold, unfeeling machines will show us the way. " | Jan 28 22:23 |
| *schestowitz sees that DaemonFOX has a crush on Marshall Mathers | Jan 28 22:23 | |
| wispygalaxy | did he really sat that? it goes against what his foundation stands for | Jan 28 22:23 |
| wispygalaxy | say* | Jan 28 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 28 22:24 |
| wispygalaxy | eminem? | Jan 28 22:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/b/bill_gates_3.html | Jan 28 22:24 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Bill Gates Quotes .::. Size~: 11.74 KB | Jan 28 22:24 |
| wispygalaxy | thanks, chips | Jan 28 22:24 |
| wispygalaxy | my sister has 2 eminem CDs :P | Jan 28 22:24 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: no, you'e not being forged anymore | Jan 28 22:25 |
| wispygalaxy | goody | Jan 28 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Not since the incidents you caught | Jan 28 22:25 |
| wispygalaxy | actually, i saw that i was forged again a few times this month | Jan 28 22:25 |
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| ml2mst | wispygalaxy: Roy is back, I think he uses Knode as well. I think he can help you setting up GPG in Knode. | Jan 28 22:25 |
| wispygalaxy | that sounds good | Jan 28 22:25 |
| wispygalaxy | roy, do you know how to do PGP | Jan 28 22:26 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | <wispygalaxy> Goblin and I were impersonated many times before on MS Watch | Jan 28 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I just got a few Apocalyptica albums | Jan 28 22:26 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, I use PGP | Jan 28 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | they're pretty good (at least Worlds Collide was, haven't listened to the rest) | Jan 28 22:26 |
| wispygalaxy | the trolls want to make us look bad, chips | Jan 28 22:26 |
| schestowitz | It takes longer to post, but I had to do it when forging became too commonplace around 2007 | Jan 28 22:26 |
| wispygalaxy | i havent been over to MS watch, yet | Jan 28 22:26 |
| wispygalaxy | ok, ill take that into account, roy | Jan 28 22:27 |
| wispygalaxy | do you need to go to a special website for a key? | Jan 28 22:27 |
| wispygalaxy | lemme open knode... | Jan 28 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: weird quote from PearlyG that one..... | Jan 28 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | "..antiquated ideas of kindness and generosity are simply bugs that must be programmed out of our world."--Pearly | Jan 28 22:27 |
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| wispygalaxy | was that quote on the record? | Jan 28 22:28 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: you need to create a key in KDE | Jan 28 22:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | <wispygalaxy> MS Watch is dead mostly. Its an astroid, barren of life, and thought. The shills/trolls impersonate when they have nothing else left, and use profanity too. | Jan 28 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Then it's available for you to use in knode | Jan 28 22:28 |
| schestowitz | It should not be hard | Jan 28 22:28 |
| MinceR | *gasp* profanity! | Jan 28 22:28 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 28 22:28 |
| wispygalaxy | ok, thanks for the info, chips. ill still look around out of curiosity | Jan 28 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Search for the KDE documentation on creating keys... I haven't done that for 6 years | Jan 28 22:29 |
| wispygalaxy | you're telling me to RTFM?! | Jan 28 22:29 |
| wispygalaxy | jk | Jan 28 22:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | If they cannot debate and win, they try to distract | Jan 28 22:29 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: I don't know | Jan 28 22:29 |
| schestowitz | There are some fake quotes from PEarly | Jan 28 22:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | or bury a thought of fact with spam | Jan 28 22:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, there are some fakes quotes | Jan 28 22:30 |
| wispygalaxy | so they're forging bill, too? | Jan 28 22:30 |
| schestowitz | A better one would be: "..antiquated ideas of wunderkind and genocide are simply bugs that must be programmed inyo of our world." | Jan 28 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Kill African kids while pretending to be a hero | Jan 28 22:30 |
| wispygalaxy | :( | Jan 28 22:30 |
| schestowitz | I suppose most people don't know how his money is used to murder kids for oil | Jan 28 22:30 |
| wispygalaxy | it's all PR stuff | Jan 28 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: MS Watch is obsolete | Jan 28 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Nothing links to it | Jan 28 22:31 |
| wispygalaxy | now, they link to you. roy :) | Jan 28 22:31 |
| schestowitz | It's just a notepad.exe 4 Nick | Jan 28 22:31 |
| wispygalaxy | you are the cornerstone for linux and MS news | Jan 28 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Wilcox was at least intresting sometimes | Jan 28 22:31 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: no ftfm, I just don't know how without checking | Jan 28 22:32 |
| schestowitz | kpgp is what I used | Jan 28 22:32 |
| wispygalaxy | im kidding roy :) | Jan 28 22:32 |
| schestowitz | But I think it's phased out by now | Jan 28 22:32 |
| wispygalaxy | what should i do now?? | Jan 28 22:32 |
| wispygalaxy | should i still use your method | Jan 28 22:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | This quote of Gates is my favorate, if it is his: "I have 100 billion dollars... You realize I could spend 3 million dollars a day, every day, for the next 100 years? And that's if I don't make another dime. Tell you what-I'll buy your right arm for a million dollars. I give you a million bucks, and I get to sever your arm right here." http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/b/bill_gates_3.html | Jan 28 22:32 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Bill Gates Quotes .::. Size~: 11.74 KB | Jan 28 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: True evil never dies, it changes name and mailing address from time to time | Jan 28 22:32 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: it prompts you to create a key if you have none | Jan 28 22:33 |
| schestowitz | kde 4.3? | Jan 28 22:33 |
| wispygalaxy | not yet | Jan 28 22:33 |
| wispygalaxy | im switching soon though | Jan 28 22:33 |
| wispygalaxy | im too lazy to upgrade | Jan 28 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: are you sure these are real quotes? | Jan 28 22:33 |
| MinceR | and then people say gates should be allowed to live | Jan 28 22:34 |
| schestowitz | I got 'poisoned' by satirical ones | Jan 28 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Jan 28 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'll give you 47 cents from the top of my desk if I can sever your arm | Jan 28 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | right here | Jan 28 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | come on! | Jan 28 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: find out which publication or something | Jan 28 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Misatributions are annoying | Jan 28 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Like people who faked me insulting people | Jan 28 22:34 |
| schestowitz | ANd then those people showing I was rude and radical, for something forgers said under my name | Jan 28 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Very annoying | Jan 28 22:35 |
| wispygalaxy | awww | Jan 28 22:35 |
| wispygalaxy | but we know you, roy | Jan 28 22:35 |
| wispygalaxy | you arent vulgar or rude | Jan 28 22:35 |
| wispygalaxy | i can tell if someone's forging you | Jan 28 22:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, it like everything on the internet. But wikiquotes is maybe your best source of the fake ones. I you quote, don't quote bill directly, but the site that quoted him. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bill_Gates look at misatributed | Jan 28 22:35 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Bill Gates - Wikiquote .::. Size~: 48.09 KB | Jan 28 22:35 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/07/mistake-bruce-byfield/ | Jan 28 22:36 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Bruce Byfield Misattributes Quotes (Updatedx4) | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 106.1 KB | Jan 28 22:36 |
| schestowitz | There were like 5 accoutns impersoning me in Digg.com... trying to sell people the impression that I was gay, rude, etc. | Jan 28 22:36 |
| wispygalaxy | i remember bruce byfield | Jan 28 22:36 |
| MinceR | i remember when byfield wasn't so blatantly anti-FLOSS | Jan 28 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | the ones from Linus Torvalds are always so sarcastic, offensive, and condescending, it's probably easy to make some fakes for him | Jan 28 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: wikiquotes got poisoned too | Jan 28 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | and go totally unnoticed | Jan 28 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Like when this dude died last year | Jan 28 22:37 |
| schestowitz | And some school kid put a fake quote in it | Jan 28 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Then many papers quoted that | Jan 28 22:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I used that one quote about Bill and severing an ARM on MS Watch a couple of times, and the shills had no reply. So maybe it is his. | Jan 28 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Misattributed | Jan 28 22:37 |
| wispygalaxy | didnt byfield do an interview with you, roy? | Jan 28 22:37 |
| wispygalaxy | on linux.com | Jan 28 22:37 |
| schestowitz | It became a big anti-WIKIPEDIA story | Jan 28 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Did they at least do a retraction on page 43, 10 days later? | Jan 28 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Jan 28 22:37 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: ages ago | Jan 28 22:37 |
| schestowitz | I was there with 4 people all of whom diagree | Jan 28 22:38 |
| wispygalaxy | i still remember that | Jan 28 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft apoligosim echo chamber IMHO | Jan 28 22:38 |
| wispygalaxy | gnome dudes?> | Jan 28 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Including Novell's de ICaza, Microsoft MVP | Jan 28 22:38 |
| schestowitz | a "caller" | Jan 28 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Jan 28 22:38 |
| wispygalaxy | oh yeah | Jan 28 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: That's the problem with newspapers, when they lie or fuck up and get called on it, they wait a couple weeks and print the retraction in the back of the paper | Jan 28 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | there's almost no accountability at all | Jan 28 22:39 |
| wispygalaxy | that's why letting comments on news articles speeds up the porcess | Jan 28 22:39 |
| wispygalaxy | online | Jan 28 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | after all the people that read that paper have all absorbed the original article as pure truth and moved on | Jan 28 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | and will never see the retraction | Jan 28 22:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvdKyGjNSg0 | Jan 28 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Watch the middle | Jan 28 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Where he calls them on the setup | Jan 28 22:40 |
| wispygalaxy | that's too bad that we cant trust newspapers 100% | Jan 28 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Surrounding him with "no men" | Jan 28 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | wispygalaxy: No, accepting comments on news articles is the worst thing that can happen | Jan 28 22:40 |
| wispygalaxy | thanks for the YT link, roy | Jan 28 22:40 |
| wispygalaxy | why, daemonFC? | Jan 28 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | It's like telling the crazies "come out, come out, wherever you are!" | Jan 28 22:40 |
| wispygalaxy | the trolls ruin the comments | Jan 28 22:40 |
| wispygalaxy | so there cant be a good discussion | Jan 28 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | exactly, so there is no way anyone wil lread through the 147 posts comparing Obama to Hitler to get to the comment telling them they messed part of the article up | Jan 28 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 28 22:41 |
| wispygalaxy | haha | Jan 28 22:41 |
| wispygalaxy | id try to do ctrl+f for "messed up" | Jan 28 22:42 |
| wispygalaxy | maybe that will help? | Jan 28 22:42 |
| wispygalaxy | or "error in article" | Jan 28 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | "Obama totally messed up, he's like StalinHitler, RAAAARRRRGH!!!!!!" | Jan 28 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | -Anncoulter67 | Jan 28 22:42 |
| wispygalaxy | lol | Jan 28 22:42 |
| wispygalaxy | or glenbeck45 | Jan 28 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | StalinHitlerChavezAhmadinejad even | Jan 28 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | Rush Limbaugh | Jan 28 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jan 28 22:43 |
| wispygalaxy | heh | Jan 28 22:43 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: no problem | Jan 28 22:44 |
| wispygalaxy | now im figuring out how to do gpg on kde | Jan 28 22:44 |
| wispygalaxy | roy: :) | Jan 28 22:45 |
| wispygalaxy | do i need to download anything for pgp? | Jan 28 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Maybe. KDE 3.5? | Jan 28 22:45 |
| wispygalaxy | yep | Jan 28 22:45 |
| schestowitz | There's a wizard | Jan 28 22:45 |
| ml2mst | jono: how are you? | Jan 28 22:45 |
| wispygalaxy | soon it'll be kde 4 | Jan 28 22:45 |
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| wispygalaxy | i just need to backup my stuff | Jan 28 22:45 |
| schestowitz | I can't check now cause I'm on wonderful kde4 | Jan 28 22:45 |
| wispygalaxy | im jealous | Jan 28 22:46 |
| MinceR | :D | Jan 28 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | wispygalaxy: "You know Obama messed up when he started bargaining with the devil, true story. Right there in the Oval Office. Obama said 'I just want to get healthcare through' and Satan said 'Yeah, sure, youbetcha!' and clicked his ruby red slippers three times and went back down into hell with the homosexuals and women's movement leaders." | Jan 28 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | -Pat Robertson | Jan 28 22:46 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: it coms with ponies and everything | Jan 28 22:46 |
| oiaohm | http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=30189&tag=content;col1 Hmm when is the 2q sharemarket report. | Jan 28 22:46 |
| oiaohm | For MS | Jan 28 22:46 |
| wispygalaxy | lol daemon | Jan 28 22:47 |
| jono | ml2mst, hey! | Jan 28 22:47 |
| jono | on a call atm | Jan 28 22:47 |
| wispygalaxy | roy, pink ponies?! | Jan 28 22:47 |
| wispygalaxy | my iceweasel is still pink | Jan 28 22:47 |
| ml2mst | jono: ok ;-) | Jan 28 22:47 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: so ZDNet advertise Microsoft presentations | Jan 28 22:47 |
| schestowitz | No surprise ther | Jan 28 22:47 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: I can't do pink | Jan 28 22:48 |
| schestowitz | THen people would wrongly think I'm a homosexual | Jan 28 22:48 |
| oiaohm | Now the problem is it not true until is on the stock exchange schestowitz | Jan 28 22:48 |
| schestowitz | There is nothing wrong with pink, BTW | Jan 28 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Not with homosexuals | Jan 28 22:48 |
| schestowitz | But I don't wear dresses or tubans either, because there's something about what people wear and carry that sends messages | Jan 28 22:49 |
| oiaohm | I remember the big E report before they had to report to stock exchange. | Jan 28 22:49 |
| schestowitz | /Not/Nor/ | Jan 28 22:49 |
| wispygalaxy | pink used to be a color for boys, and blue was for girls... then around 1950, it swtiched. learned that in sociology class | Jan 28 22:49 |
| schestowitz | *turbans | Jan 28 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Damn, my spellchecker keeps going off | Jan 28 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | wispygalaxy: Was the strap-on invented in 1950? | Jan 28 22:49 |
| wispygalaxy | idk lol | Jan 28 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | could explain the chain of events | Jan 28 22:49 |
| wispygalaxy | i forget why, but it was after WWII | Jan 28 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | whoever has the penis is the dominant members of society | Jan 28 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Chemical weapons from the war made fertilisers | Jan 28 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | the strap-on was the great equalizer | Jan 28 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Innovation through deaths | Jan 28 22:50 |
| wispygalaxy | is that so? :P | Jan 28 22:50 |
| wispygalaxy | haha | Jan 28 22:50 |
| wispygalaxy | that's sad, roy : | Jan 28 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Vietnam was a bit of a testing ground too | Jan 28 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | yep, just like that scene in Cabin Fever | Jan 28 22:51 |
| wispygalaxy | agent orange | Jan 28 22:51 |
| schestowitz | The West loves testing weapons on real targets | Jan 28 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Same with drugs | Jan 28 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | he let his girlfriend bend him over and a few minutes later, wrath of God | Jan 28 22:51 |
| schestowitz | They just find some place where life is "cheap" or people are "Evil" | Jan 28 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | the flesh eating fungus ate both of them | Jan 28 22:51 |
| wispygalaxy | would you be a lab rat for a drug in its alpha stage? | Jan 28 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | they should play that scene in those abstinence only classes | Jan 28 22:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Two hours worth of audio editing today. ARGH! | Jan 28 22:51 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: c'mon, stop that | Jan 28 22:52 |
| wispygalaxy | that's scary, daemon | Jan 28 22:52 |
| schestowitz | This is a family crowd | Jan 28 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | I know | Jan 28 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | it could totalyl save that whole program | Jan 28 22:52 |
| wispygalaxy | roy's a family guy | Jan 28 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | purity ring sales would save the economy | Jan 28 22:52 |
| wispygalaxy | the jonas bros wear them | Jan 28 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | mmhm, that episode of South Park lampooning that was awesome | Jan 28 22:53 |
| oiaohm | You normally do expect a after chrismas restocking. | Jan 28 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | Mickey Mouse as the destroyer of man | Jan 28 22:53 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: it's no major news | Jan 28 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Just a Vista 7 advert | Jan 28 22:53 |
| wispygalaxy | roy, i have the wizard up | Jan 28 22:54 |
| wispygalaxy | finally! :P | Jan 28 22:54 |
| schestowitz | They had WIndows revenue fall 30% | Jan 28 22:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Why is it that the pictures of the Prediator drones, remind me of Skynet? This technology is somewhat predated by the bomb that the Nazi's used to sink ships that had a television camera in the nose | Jan 28 22:54 |
| schestowitz | To make an illusion of Vista 7 success | Jan 28 22:54 |
| schestowitz | As I said 3 times this week in BN, look NOT at Vista 7 | Jan 28 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Vista 7....because you can buy it now or buy it later. We don't care. -Microsoft | Jan 28 22:54 |
| schestowitz | They HIDE the rest | Jan 28 22:54 |
| wispygalaxy | my school is still using XP | Jan 28 22:54 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: no, buying PC | Jan 28 22:54 |
| wispygalaxy | there is no word about upgrading | Jan 28 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft just needs to corrupt the OEM channel | Jan 28 22:55 |
| schestowitz | That's who they sell like 80% of the units to | Jan 28 22:55 |
| oiaohm | Problem is all new licences your school gets would count as Windows 7 wispygalaxy | Jan 28 22:55 |
| wispygalaxy | and IT says to stick with IE 7 because they think IE 8 is unsafe | Jan 28 22:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> wrong, I will never buy SEVEN or Vista, not ever | Jan 28 22:55 |
| wispygalaxy | it's not supported | Jan 28 22:55 |
| oiaohm | Even if they install XP wispygalaxy | Jan 28 22:55 |
| wispygalaxy | really? | Jan 28 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | 7 is like their revenge against everyone who thought they would wait out Vista, just to find another 5 years of it is the "upgrade" | Jan 28 22:55 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: they should move to Opera or Firefox | Jan 28 22:55 |
| schestowitz | And stop being Microturfers | Jan 28 22:55 |
| wispygalaxy | there's friefox on campus computers | Jan 28 22:55 |
| wispygalaxy | :) | Jan 28 22:55 |
| cubezzz | don't use doze at all | Jan 28 22:55 |
| oiaohm | Yes really wispygalaxy. I work in volume licences you cannot buy XP volume any more. | Jan 28 22:55 |
| cubezzz | that's my advice | Jan 28 22:55 |
| oiaohm | Instead you down grade Vista or Windows 7 volume liences wispygalaxy | Jan 28 22:56 |
| wispygalaxy | XP is soft of supported until 2014, right? | Jan 28 22:56 |
| oiaohm | To get XP licences | Jan 28 22:56 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: you can't buy ANY WIndows | Jan 28 22:56 |
| schestowitz | You rent a licence | Jan 28 22:56 |
| MinceR | that's actually an upgrade :> | Jan 28 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | people avoiding Vista now kind of remind me of when Bush said "We'll smoke 'em out" | Jan 28 22:56 |
| schestowitz | It's all just pieces of paper with a waiver | Jan 28 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | wispygalaxy: Technically | Jan 28 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Funny money, funny software, derivatives trade... | Jan 28 22:56 |
| oiaohm | XP volumne licence ie you buy the licence not the software schestowitz | Jan 28 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | it's not sold anymore and there won't be any new stuff added to it | Jan 28 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's assets are mostly paper | Jan 28 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | it's effectively dead | Jan 28 22:57 |
| schestowitz | It's a tax | Jan 28 22:57 |
| schestowitz | There's a good talk on it | Jan 28 22:57 |
| wispygalaxy | you're on your own if you use it past 2014 | Jan 28 22:57 |
| schestowitz | They just created a toll system | Jan 28 22:57 |
| oiaohm | Basically by MS numbers they are not counting XP wispygalaxy | Jan 28 22:57 |
| wispygalaxy | ok | Jan 28 22:57 |
| schestowitz | People pay for Windows over and over again without choosing too | Jan 28 22:57 |
| schestowitz | *to | Jan 28 22:57 |
| cubezzz | you have to have the nerve or the guts to say no windows | Jan 28 22:57 |
| oiaohm | I have many times over cubezzz | Jan 28 22:57 |
| wispygalaxy | people have to learn about linux... too bad there's no education | Jan 28 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Minister of education is Gates :-)) | Jan 28 22:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I have to ask, how can MS only give extended support only to XP until 2014, when MS is still actively selling XP Home on some Netbooks? Somehow it looks like a basis for another lawsuit. | Jan 28 22:58 |
| schestowitz | He hijacked the system by bribing or being cocky to US politicians | Jan 28 22:58 |
| schestowitz | He's also hijacking it in India and the UK | Jan 28 22:58 |
| wispygalaxy | he's everywhere | Jan 28 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Less so in central Europe | Jan 28 22:58 |
| oiaohm | XP home on netbooks counts in MS embeded sales. Chips_B_Malroy | Jan 28 22:58 |
| wispygalaxy | yeah, they're still selling XP | Jan 28 22:58 |
| wispygalaxy | so they werent confident about vista | Jan 28 22:58 |
| oiaohm | So making there Mobile phone OS failure look better Chips_B_Malroy | Jan 28 22:59 |
| schestowitz | They still defend their kids more effectively from the white-collar criminals the EU is putting in court | Jan 28 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Also Wal-Mart | Jan 28 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Monsanto.... | Jan 28 22:59 |
| cubezzz | this is what I say to retailes and manufacturers: sell me blank or linux or I dont' buy | Jan 28 22:59 |
| schestowitz | They tried to push their poison into Canada | Jan 28 22:59 |
| oiaohm | I built my own cubezzz | Jan 28 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Whistleblower showed the corruption of Monsanto (based by that evil guy Gates) | Jan 28 22:59 |
| schestowitz | ANd then Europe flipped out | Jan 28 22:59 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, of course, but I mean more for PDA or laptop | Jan 28 22:59 |
| schestowitz | And banned it outright | Jan 28 22:59 |
| wispygalaxy | so european food is safer> | Jan 28 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Well, it's still food | Jan 28 23:00 |
| wispygalaxy | do you have to label genetically engineered food | Jan 28 23:00 |
| cubezzz | if enough people say "I won't buy" then manfacturers will adjust | Jan 28 23:00 |
| schestowitz | It's not non-food | Jan 28 23:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I build my own desktop computers, and buy used laptops | Jan 28 23:00 |
| oiaohm | Next 12 months is going to get funny. | Jan 28 23:00 |
| wispygalaxy | GE food can be dangerous, we dont know its effects | Jan 28 23:00 |
| schestowitz | We'll find out :-) | Jan 28 23:00 |
| oiaohm | With a few companies now to doing XP embeded what is basically XP home in phones. | Jan 28 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Like we did smoking | Jan 28 23:00 |
| wispygalaxy | lol | Jan 28 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Same with ceelphones | Jan 28 23:01 |
| wispygalaxy | i bet we are goind to be mutant veggies | Jan 28 23:01 |
| schestowitz | 2 US states intend to put cancer warning message on phones | Jan 28 23:01 |
| wispygalaxy | like in veggie tales, that movie | Jan 28 23:01 |
| wispygalaxy | like that will stipo teens, roy! | Jan 28 23:01 |
| wispygalaxy | stop* | Jan 28 23:01 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: they have warehouses and stuff where they keep some real genes | Jan 28 23:01 |
| schestowitz | So they can run back to the real thing | Jan 28 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Not the experiments with arbitrary changes to DNA which they don't even understand or test | Jan 28 23:02 |
| wispygalaxy | what if the fake genes decide to rebel? what if the real stuff is contaminated | Jan 28 23:02 |
| schestowitz | "Look!! The tomato is bigger.... it must be good... for profit.." | Jan 28 23:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | <oiaohm>by XP embeded, you mean XP, or CE? Has XP been ported to ARM now? | Jan 28 23:02 |
| schestowitz | They look at just one parameter | Jan 28 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Or few | Jan 28 23:02 |
| wispygalaxy | ill move to the moon if nature gets out of whack | Jan 28 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Not millions | Jan 28 23:02 |
| schestowitz | If "big", then good; | Jan 28 23:02 |
| oiaohm | There are a few phones coming out with x86 chips Chips_B_Malroy | Jan 28 23:02 |
| oiaohm | Yes insanity Chips_B_Malroy | Jan 28 23:02 |
| wispygalaxy | organic fruit is smaller and more lopsided than GE fruit | Jan 28 23:03 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: BGH is cancerous | Jan 28 23:03 |
| schestowitz | Monsanto hides it | Jan 28 23:03 |
| schestowitz | ANd they spikes the story at FAUX news | Jan 28 23:03 |
| schestowitz | *spiked | Jan 28 23:03 |
| wispygalaxy | i dont watch TV news at all | Jan 28 23:03 |
| schestowitz | Monsanto threatened to sue | Jan 28 23:03 |
| schestowitz | It's a gagging technique | Jan 28 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | the thing that bugs me about Kindle is that you can buy40-50 books for what the reader alone costs, and the books don't have DRM | Jan 28 23:03 |
| wispygalaxy | but what if its true? | Jan 28 23:03 |
| schestowitz | "Obligation to the shareholders," I guess | Jan 28 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | then you get to pay the same price for book downloads as the books with no DRM cost | Jan 28 23:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | <oiaohm> I believe that MS might have had a NT4 port to ARM at one time? | Jan 28 23:04 |
| schestowitz | They would probably also have an "obligation to shareholder" to 'suicide' some troublemakers | Jan 28 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Cause it's good for business to eliminate critics... | Jan 28 23:04 |
| wispygalaxy | we should consider stakeholders: the community, workers, etc | Jan 28 23:04 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I prefer PDA | Jan 28 23:04 |
| wispygalaxy | if a corp is in the community, they should play by the rules | Jan 28 23:05 |
| schestowitz | I can copy and paste and edit text on it | Jan 28 23:05 |
| oiaohm | Chips_B_Malroy: Reactos runs on ARM kind of. Its the only port of the windows NT line on ARM. | Jan 28 23:05 |
| wispygalaxy | id like an e-reader | Jan 28 23:05 |
| wispygalaxy | makes it easier to carry my schoolbooks around | Jan 28 23:05 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100127/1428067946.shtml | Jan 28 23:05 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Wait, Who Wants A Proprietary, Locked Down Device That Limits What You Can Do? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 224.77 KB | Jan 28 23:05 |
| wispygalaxy | i have all my classes in one day, so i need to have all my text w/ me | Jan 28 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Watch the fanbois of Jobs' cult | Jan 28 23:05 |
| schestowitz | In the comments | Jan 28 23:06 |
| schestowitz | "Attack! He attacks out Cult" | Jan 28 23:06 |
| schestowitz | *our | Jan 28 23:06 |
| wispygalaxy | being loyal to a corporation is weird | Jan 28 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 28 23:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | <oiaohm>interesting, thanks | Jan 28 23:06 |
| schestowitz | They have PR techqnieus for it | Jan 28 23:06 |
| schestowitz | I saw a programme on how they do it | Jan 28 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Make people fans of some logo | Jan 28 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Associating it with lifestyle and pride | Jan 28 23:06 |
| wispygalaxy | i learned that in marketing class | Jan 28 23:06 |
| schestowitz | it's like football teams | Jan 28 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Tribal | Jan 28 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Tribe+PR+sheeple=profit | Jan 28 23:07 |
| wispygalaxy | its cheaper to cater to longtime customers than to get new ones | Jan 28 23:07 |
| wispygalaxy | thats why they do it | Jan 28 23:07 |
| schestowitz | I see Apple fan sites | Jan 28 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Makes me think they are insane | Jan 28 23:07 |
| schestowitz | They voluntarily make someone else rich | Jan 28 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Some billlionaire | Jan 28 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Sites like ROughly Drafted | Jan 28 23:07 |
| wispygalaxy | linux fan sites are legit, they advocate freedom | Jan 28 23:07 |
| schestowitz | CultofMac... | Jan 28 23:08 |
| schestowitz | MacNightOwl | Jan 28 23:08 |
| schestowitz | And many others | Jan 28 23:08 |
| schestowitz | There are even Mac trolls in the Linux newsgroup | Jan 28 23:08 |
| wispygalaxy | are they too blind to see FOSS? | Jan 28 23:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Mac is the ultimate form of lockin | Jan 28 23:08 |
| schestowitz | It must be upsetting to them that their poor, poor hero Jobs might lose some bucks | Jan 28 23:08 |
| wispygalaxy | he lost his liver :P | Jan 28 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yes, the books get an i too | Jan 28 23:09 |
| oiaohm | http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2010/1/27/apple-a4-soc-unveiled---its-an-arm-cpu-and-the-gpu!.aspx How marketing spin come apart. | Jan 28 23:09 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 28 23:09 |
| schestowitz | iBook | Jan 28 23:09 |
| schestowitz | iPad | Jan 28 23:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | you have to buy a Mac to legally use OS X. It the only computer you are really allowed to run all three major OS on. | Jan 28 23:09 |
| schestowitz | iTampon? | Jan 28 23:09 |
| oiaohm | A4 chip is just a run of the mill ARM chip. | Jan 28 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.campaignforliberty.com/#31904 | Jan 28 23:09 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Campaign For Liberty — Home .::. Size~: 62.6 KB | Jan 28 23:09 |
| wispygalaxy | ron paul? | Jan 28 23:09 |
| MinceR | crApple doesn't support running other os-es on its hardware though, do they? | Jan 28 23:09 |
| oiaohm | They do MinceR | Jan 28 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: reminds me........... | Jan 28 23:10 |
| *gargoyle-grin has quit ("Leaving.") | Jan 28 23:10 | |
| schestowitz | Groklaw wastes time | Jan 28 23:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | sure u can | Jan 28 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Writing to defend Cult of Jobs again | Jan 28 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Waste of time for Groklaw | Jan 28 23:10 |
| oiaohm | Items like ipod and ipads are locked but. | Jan 28 23:10 |
| MinceR | iirc when an update to osx bricked all macs that used boot camp, they just spread their arms and said it's unsupported | Jan 28 23:10 |
| schestowitz | It's almost embarrassing | Jan 28 23:10 |
| oiaohm | boot camp is a MS product MinceR | Jan 28 23:10 |
| oiaohm | Opps | Jan 28 23:10 |
| MinceR | or maybe not all of them | Jan 28 23:10 |
| oiaohm | Apple product | Jan 28 23:10 |
| schestowitz | APple can afford lawyers | Jan 28 23:10 |
| oiaohm | So they break it they are repsonable for it. MinceR | Jan 28 23:11 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i'm aware of that | Jan 28 23:11 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't need community sits clamouring | Jan 28 23:11 |
| schestowitz | *sites | Jan 28 23:11 |
| ml2mst | Schestowitz: indeed there are Mac fans in COLA. I responded to a post of 7 about the iTampon | Jan 28 23:11 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: but they probably have to be sued to do that | Jan 28 23:11 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: crApple always denies responsibility and support | Jan 28 23:11 |
| wispygalaxy | 7 has an imagination | Jan 28 23:11 |
| wispygalaxy | "7" the poster i mean | Jan 28 23:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I was rooting for Pystar, but only because Apple made everyone else PC defective by design because they could not run Mac OS X because of their EFI chip and patents/eula/legalties | Jan 28 23:11 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100127/1444427947.shtml | Jan 28 23:12 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft Sues BitTorrent Tracker | Techdirt .::. Size~: 41.11 KB | Jan 28 23:12 |
| wispygalaxy | MS is suing everyone | Jan 28 23:12 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: his heart is in the right place | Jan 28 23:12 |
| wispygalaxy | :D | Jan 28 23:12 |
| wispygalaxy | i like enthusiasm | Jan 28 23:12 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't usually communicate well | Jan 28 23:12 |
| wispygalaxy | that's ok | Jan 28 23:12 |
| schestowitz | He can, though | Jan 28 23:12 |
| ml2mst | I Know, 7 writes BS but very funny at times IMO :-) | Jan 28 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes he does, and it's like it's a different person | Jan 28 23:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Too tell you the truth though, even though OS X is more secure than Windows, I liked the old XP interface better than the dock in Mac | Jan 28 23:12 |
| wispygalaxy | at least 7 tells it like it is! | Jan 28 23:13 |
| oiaohm | Define more secure Chips_B_Malroy | Jan 28 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: that's not the OS | Jan 28 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Dock is just an app | Jan 28 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Underneath OS X is rubbish | Jan 28 23:13 |
| oiaohm | OS X secuirty frameworks are quite weak Chips_B_Malroy | Jan 28 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Windows too | Jan 28 23:13 |
| schestowitz | WIndows just has many apps written for it | Jan 28 23:13 |
| schestowitz | plasma-desktop is very nice | Jan 28 23:13 |
| oiaohm | OS X gets attacked more than Linux does. | Jan 28 23:13 |
| schestowitz | ANd very useful | Jan 28 23:14 |
| MinceR | comparing osx and windows on grounds of security is like poking two turds with a twig and debating which one is harder | Jan 28 23:14 |
| wispygalaxy | plasma theme is cool | Jan 28 23:14 |
| oiaohm | And Linux has huge server markets that make it a target. | Jan 28 23:14 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: did you try? | Jan 28 23:14 |
| MinceR | osx is missing many modern OS security features, afaik | Jan 28 23:14 |
| wispygalaxy | i need a new iceweasel theme | Jan 28 23:14 |
| wispygalaxy | havent changed this one in months | Jan 28 23:14 |
| MinceR | they also lag a lot with security updates | Jan 28 23:14 |
| MinceR | far behind everyone else | Jan 28 23:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | <oiaohm> by more secure, I mean more than Windows, Not Linux, which is usually better done, depending also on distro | Jan 28 23:14 |
| wispygalaxy | roy, i have to go now! see you soon | Jan 28 23:15 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: their priest thinks it's OK | Jan 28 23:15 |
| oiaohm | Compared to windows in tech is weaker Chips_B_Malroy | Jan 28 23:15 |
| wispygalaxy | bye marti | Jan 28 23:15 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: i'm sure | Jan 28 23:15 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: later | Jan 28 23:15 |
| wispygalaxy | :) see ya! | Jan 28 23:15 |
| oiaohm | And that is quite supprising to most people Chips_B_Malroy | Jan 28 23:15 |
| wispygalaxy | bye everyone! | Jan 28 23:15 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: marti misses you, girl.. | Jan 28 23:15 |
| schestowitz | :-p | Jan 28 23:15 |
| wispygalaxy | haha ;) | Jan 28 23:15 |
| wispygalaxy | i promise to head back to COLA | Jan 28 23:15 |
| schestowitz | cool | Jan 28 23:15 |
| wispygalaxy | yay! | Jan 28 23:15 |
| schestowitz | We need more girls there | Jan 28 23:15 |
| wispygalaxy | of course | Jan 28 23:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MinceR> I am not promoting OS X, in fact I was saying the opposite. I was blasting the lockin that they used to stop other intel based PC's using it. | Jan 28 23:16 |
| wispygalaxy | girls shouldnt be scared of computers | Jan 28 23:16 |
| oiaohm | Of course Apple does a few minor things right. Chips_B_Malroy Like email clients and browsers that cannot install stuff without asking. | Jan 28 23:16 |
| wispygalaxy | tell tony and goblin i said hi | Jan 28 23:16 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: computers don't address genders | Jan 28 23:16 |
| wispygalaxy | only 0's and 1's | Jan 28 23:16 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: tony is in Canada now | Jan 28 23:16 |
| oiaohm | Supprising now a few minor differences make a huge difference to numbers of viruses Chips_B_Malroy | Jan 28 23:16 |
| wispygalaxy | i hope he's having fun | Jan 28 23:16 |
| schestowitz | He is | Jan 28 23:16 |
| schestowitz | cold though] | Jan 28 23:16 |
| wispygalaxy | brrr | Jan 28 23:17 |
| wispygalaxy | i wore my boots today | Jan 28 23:17 |
| schestowitz | grrrr | Jan 28 23:17 |
| oiaohm | Basically MS dump IE run Firefox over night the infection rates of windows would drop. | Jan 28 23:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | as long as Jobs runs Apple, they will remain a niche computer company that milks the more affluant | Jan 28 23:17 |
| wispygalaxy | you're mad at me?? :( | Jan 28 23:17 |
| wispygalaxy | :P | Jan 28 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Nancy Sinatra - These Boots Are Made For Walking (1966) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRkovnss7sg | Jan 28 23:17 |
| wispygalaxy | well, ill be back soon! | Jan 28 23:18 |
| wispygalaxy | bye roy and marti and everyone else | Jan 28 23:18 |
| *wispygalaxy has quit ("Page closed") | Jan 28 23:18 | |
| MinceR | and when jobs stops running crApple, it will collapse like a house of cards | Jan 28 23:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | <oiaohm> dropping IE and replacing with Firefox also gets rid of activeX | Jan 28 23:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | well, if you get rid of Outlook as well | Jan 28 23:18 |
| MinceR | and i will laugh at the fanboys | Jan 28 23:18 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8481790.stm | Jan 28 23:19 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 97.05 KB | Jan 28 23:19 |
| MinceR | lusers have probably already left outlook for webmail | Jan 28 23:19 |
| schestowitz | MAFIAAsos | Jan 28 23:19 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: many have | Jan 28 23:19 |
| oiaohm | Yep windows biggest problems is there net facing applications Chips_B_Malroy | Jan 28 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Now they can use their keyboardless big iPhone to type stuff into gmail | Jan 28 23:19 |
| schestowitz | With the big wheel | Jan 28 23:19 |
| MinceR | at least the letters they know :> | Jan 28 23:19 |
| schestowitz | 0s and 1s | Jan 28 23:19 |
| oiaohm | Until MS has the balls to deal with that mess will keep on happening to windows Chips_B_Malroy | Jan 28 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Morse code | Jan 28 23:20 |
| MinceR | reading/writing it must be high science for cultists | Jan 28 23:20 |
| MinceR | s/it // | Jan 28 23:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | <oiaohm> I windows biggest problem on the internet as the default account being Admin | Jan 28 23:20 |
| oiaohm | Like the recent IE flaw MS only had 18 months warning of. | Jan 28 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Apple will do a proper touch-typing keyboard for their bit IPhone thingie | Jan 28 23:20 |
| schestowitz | *big | Jan 28 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Like the one I have had with my Palm for 7 years | Jan 28 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100128/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_fact_check | Jan 28 23:20 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: FACT CHECK: Obama and a toothless commission - Yahoo! News .::. Size~: 114.99 KB | Jan 28 23:20 |
| MinceR | they can't, as long as they insist on touchscreens and there's no technology that can make bumps in a touchscreen | Jan 28 23:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and at some point, I think we will see a newer version of Windows come out with a default limited user account | Jan 28 23:21 |
| oiaohm | Even Linux if you can breach the User account you can search for evilvation flaws. IE OS X has many Chips_B_Malroy | Jan 28 23:21 |
| MinceR | (there were only demos of it, no ready-to-use touchscreens) | Jan 28 23:21 |
| oiaohm | Basically if they don't get in first they cannot go any where Chips_B_Malroy | Jan 28 23:21 |
| MinceR | even if there will be, chances are the first generations will feel more like silicone chiclet keyboards | Jan 28 23:21 |
| MinceR | and thus a pain to use | Jan 28 23:21 |
| oiaohm | Accounts is the second line of defence Chips_B_Malroy | Jan 28 23:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Dovecot: Your error messages are no help at all. #fail | Jan 28 23:21 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | <oiaohm> no OS so far is 100%. Its like putting a lock on a house door, breakins tend to occur on the house with the door that does not have the deadbolt | Jan 28 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | "THE FACTS: The anticipated savings from this proposal would amount to less than 1 percent of the deficit — and that's if the president can persuade Congress to go along." | Jan 28 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | on the "spending freeze" proposal | Jan 28 23:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@WeAllLoveBlund We all want Ikea Blund coming back to Ikea // au contraire, i'd like to see the dirty business #IKEA shut down. #greed | Jan 28 23:22 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Windows is like the House without lock and broken windows pane. (sorry for the pun) | Jan 28 23:23 |
| oiaohm | Ie first line needs major work with windows. Second sux's ie accounts . Mandory Access controls sux it don't have any. Anti-virus scanning on windwos is exculsive that don't help either. | Jan 28 23:23 |
| oiaohm | Now lets go Mac. First line ie browers is solid. Second sux's you can easly run a code as root. Mandoray access controls sux it dont' have any. Anti-virus scanning is also exclusive so that dont' help either. | Jan 28 23:24 |
| oiaohm | Supprising how much fixing up the front line changes about infection rates. | Jan 28 23:25 |
| oiaohm | No OS will be 100 percent. | Jan 28 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | Apple has put in a system to detect some Mac malware | Jan 28 23:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | <oiaohm>antivirus and antimalware will always be required on any new legacy Windows version, even if it would come with default limited user account and no IE. As you have stated, there are always exploits to raise the privledges to full Administrator. And which OS (hint windows) has so many that are not just exploits, but the actual malware already all over the internet to exploit this? | Jan 28 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | fanbois don't like to talk about it | Jan 28 23:26 |
| *_Goblin has quit ("Lost terminal") | Jan 28 23:26 | |
| oiaohm | Yes real worm viruses already exploit windows and Linux evelvation flaws Chips_B_Malroy | Jan 28 23:27 |
| oiaohm | Same with OS X eveleation flaws. | Jan 28 23:27 |
| oiaohm | Basically accounts alone are not enough. | Jan 28 23:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Windows is becoming very unstable or unusable for many now. Not the ones that know more. But the malware for windows is becoming more of a problem. That is why I say, MS will soon be forced to actually do something about it. | Jan 28 23:28 |
| MinceR | windows security is like this >> http://obligement.free.fr/images/windows_firewall.jpg | Jan 28 23:28 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 28 23:28 |
| oiaohm | What is the best way to detect malware Chips_B_Malroy its not a anti-virus. | Jan 28 23:28 |
| oiaohm | The best way is being able to audit your systems. | Jan 28 23:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | <oiaohm> an once of prevention | Jan 28 23:29 |
| oiaohm | I said detect | Jan 28 23:29 |
| oiaohm | Mac and Windows packaging don't help you audit your system. | Jan 28 23:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I know, but I think like someone who has cleaned too many windows computers | Jan 28 23:29 |
| oiaohm | Linux on the other hand does not need many virus scanners but people do need to be trained how to to a alterations audit. | Jan 28 23:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | <oiaohm> sometimes to detect you have to run a system that is not infected | Jan 28 23:30 |
| oiaohm | Audit scanning beats virus scanners. | Jan 28 23:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it can be a self booting cd for example | Jan 28 23:30 |
| oiaohm | Why. | Jan 28 23:30 |
| oiaohm | You don't need signatures to find infections. | Jan 28 23:30 |
| oiaohm | Also is faster because you are comparing known to known. | Jan 28 23:31 |
| oiaohm | So you don't have to run like 100 000 compares to work out that something might be clean. | Jan 28 23:31 |
| oiaohm | Audit says its clean or it not clean. | Jan 28 23:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | signatures are one way, looking at processes in windows another, certain registary settings and key another | Jan 28 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Windows is Fester | Jan 28 23:32 |
| MinceR | Uncle Fester? | Jan 28 23:32 |
| schestowitz | No | Jan 28 23:32 |
| MinceR | (Addams) | Jan 28 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Faster Fester | Jan 28 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Go go SJVN.. http://blogs.computerworld.com/15487/anything_the_ipad_can_do_linux_can_do_better | Jan 28 23:32 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Anything the iPad can do, Linux can do better. - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 140.89 KB | Jan 28 23:32 |
| oiaohm | registray is a mess Chips_B_Malroy | Jan 28 23:32 |
| oiaohm | It makes finding virus infections harder. | Jan 28 23:32 |
| schestowitz | "Anything you can do, I can do better. " | Jan 28 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Paint the Wagon IIRC | Jan 28 23:32 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 28 23:32 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: UAC makes them hard to remove | Jan 28 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Eruran said so | Jan 28 23:33 |
| schestowitz | He couldn't clean up a machine | Jan 28 23:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | <oiaohm>agreed, but many times I end fixing some malware there for users | Jan 28 23:33 |
| schestowitz | UAC stood in the way | Jan 28 23:33 |
| oiaohm | Linux systems made the right selection a long time ago. .d directories inprove it even more. | Jan 28 23:33 |
| schestowitz | It'sa security feature... for the invader | Jan 28 23:33 |
| schestowitz | It defends the malware | Jan 28 23:33 |
| schestowitz | From thw user | Jan 28 23:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | <oiaohm>system restore is another malware trap | Jan 28 23:33 |
| oiaohm | Ie applications don't edit other applications settings under Linux. | Jan 28 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Or the ngineer/repair person | Jan 28 23:33 |
| oiaohm | Instead they put a file in a .d directory that get append to the other applications config. | Jan 28 23:34 |
| oiaohm | That way you know what application altered what. | Jan 28 23:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Windows was made wide open, so anyone, any corp could change it without the users permission | Jan 28 23:34 |
| oiaohm | Ie .d in the Linux config system improved means to audit | Jan 28 23:34 |
| oiaohm | It all comes down to how auditable the system is for how long a unknown virus can spreed before being detected. | Jan 28 23:35 |
| oiaohm | Truthfully If I gave you a raw /etc directory from a Linux system and a windows registry what one would you prefer to audit. Chips_B_Malroy | Jan 28 23:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | <schestowitz> I am just a lowly former Windows Malware cleaner mostly. Yes I used to fix em. So its why I dislike MS so much, the pain they have inficted on their users, for no real reason | Jan 28 23:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/01/27/daniel-eran-dilgers-ipad-apple-event-photos/ [Warning: Scientology] | Jan 28 23:37 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Daniel Eran Dilgers iPad Apple Event Photos RoughlyDrafted Magazine .::. Size~: 27.21 KB | Jan 28 23:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | My point, was that at least 85% of the computers that were bought to me to fix, ended up being some sort of Windows Malware or Windows stability problem | Jan 28 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: Microsoft didn't spend much time of my life, luckily | Jan 28 23:38 |
| schestowitz | I used Win98 the most | Jan 28 23:38 |
| schestowitz | It ran OK on an old laptop, run winamp | Jan 28 23:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the other 10 to 15% were hardware | Jan 28 23:38 |
| oiaohm | Its getting worse. | Jan 28 23:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Jan 28 23:38 |
| schestowitz | WIndows was saddled onto my old PCs | Jan 28 23:38 |
| oiaohm | One shop I work with 95 percent of work is windows failures. | Jan 28 23:39 |
| oiaohm | No hardware problems. | Jan 28 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Linux was not ready for desktop back then | Jan 28 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Literally | Jan 28 23:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | If I only had all the time back in my life that I spent for Windows to reboot | Jan 28 23:39 |
| schestowitz | No GUI quite....... | Jan 28 23:39 |
| oiaohm | I used Linux as a desktop in 1995 | Jan 28 23:39 |
| oiaohm | But I came from dos | Jan 28 23:39 |
| MinceR | who said the desktop needed a GUI? :> | Jan 28 23:39 |
| oiaohm | So commard line was nothing to worry about. | Jan 28 23:39 |
| MinceR | i used me$$y-dos even when there was win95 | Jan 28 23:40 |
| schestowitz | A friend of mine from school had Linux on the desktop in 98, but that's not so early | Jan 28 23:40 |
| oiaohm | Turn out I could cd burn on my crappy machine back then under Linux. | Jan 28 23:40 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: image viewers and stuff | Jan 28 23:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | <oiaohm> yes, I said 85 to 90% but 95% does not surprize me | Jan 28 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Althoug DOS could do these fine | Jan 28 23:40 |
| oiaohm | yet loading windows 95 would have suxed the live out of it and gave me bad burns. | Jan 28 23:40 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: btw, i had an idea -- building mesh networks in cities via wifi and perhaps inter-home ethernet links could help their privacy considerably | Jan 28 23:40 |
| schestowitz | I also had some DOS-based programs for drawing | Jan 28 23:40 |
| schestowitz | DOS 6 | Jan 28 23:41 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: if they also used Tor, that is | Jan 28 23:41 |
| schestowitz | MS-DOS... but others too | Jan 28 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Bullfrog's Theme Park was good | Jan 28 23:41 |
| MinceR | my image viewer was a program called Display | Jan 28 23:41 |
| MinceR | (not ImageMagick) | Jan 28 23:41 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theme_Park_%28video_game%29 | Jan 28 23:42 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 28 23:42 |
| oiaohm | I am waiting for wimax stuff to come down in price MinceR | Jan 28 23:42 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: i preferred the Doom series :) | Jan 28 23:42 |
| oiaohm | Range of wimax stuff makes building mesh networks over cities simpler MinceR | Jan 28 23:42 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: that too | Jan 28 23:42 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: though wimax is also easier to eavesdrop on and to triangulate | Jan 28 23:43 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Jan 28 23:43 |
| oiaohm | I can triangulate wifi | Jan 28 23:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I held on to dos 6.2 with win3.11 with qemm for a long time. I hated W95A with a passion. Forced to use it with my first cd burner. It would hang about every 3 out of 10 burns even with easycd v3 back then. Hang so bad, it crashed 95 so bad it needed complete reinstall | Jan 28 23:43 |
| MinceR | yes, but from how far? | Jan 28 23:43 |
| oiaohm | From about 30 km MinceR | Jan 28 23:43 |
| MinceR | then again, if an entire city is doing a mesh network over wimax, it simply takes way too much effort to keep track of everybody | Jan 28 23:43 |
| oiaohm | Lets just say I have some hell of big airials. | Jan 28 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Turbolinux is Dead | Jan 28 23:44 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 28 23:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.chinaknowledge.com/Newswires/News_Detail.aspx?type=1&NewsID=30903 | Jan 28 23:44 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: China Business News: China’s iSoft buys Japan’s TurboSystems .::. Size~: 78.69 KB | Jan 28 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Good riddance | Jan 28 23:44 |
| oiaohm | I also have access a few remote control aircraft setup for wifi locating. | Jan 28 23:44 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: you must be really into this stuff :> | Jan 28 23:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | By the time of W98A, corp internet malware and tracking were big business, and would slow your dialup connections to a crawl | Jan 28 23:45 |
| oiaohm | No I need some long range links at one point. | Jan 28 23:45 |
| oiaohm | You try lining those buggers up MinceR | Jan 28 23:45 |
| schestowitz | http://news.ciw.com.cn/jrjd/20100127135815.shtml | Jan 28 23:46 |
| schestowitz | There's heaps of coverage in Chinese | Jan 28 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Novell is like the only sellout left now | Jan 28 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Down from 4 | Jan 28 23:46 |
| oiaohm | The remote control location aircraft for wifi is good to work out if you are little left or a little right when doing a very pin point for range. | Jan 28 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Makes it easier for BN to track the problem of distribution whose use is harmful for GNU/Linux and Free software | Jan 28 23:47 |
| oiaohm | Thinking a little left or a little right can be a few kms over range. | Jan 28 23:47 |
| oiaohm | Of course when you have that gear in you spare time you mess with ti MinceR | Jan 28 23:48 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 28 23:48 |
| oiaohm | Ie the just for fun factor | Jan 28 23:48 |
| schestowitz | http://draketo.de/light/english/me-gentoo-about-convenient-choice#licenses | Jan 28 23:49 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: For me, Gentoo is about *convenient* choice | Zwillingssterns Weltenwald .::. Size~: 21.75 KB | Jan 28 23:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @teddks @robbychen You grossly misunderstand what the Free Software movement means by "free". #GNU #Linux #fsf | Jan 28 23:49 | |
| oiaohm | Really I am looking forward to being able to place arm chips in the wifi locating units the PPC chips in there eat a little more power than I like. | Jan 28 23:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8486378.stm | Jan 28 23:51 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 96.98 KB | Jan 28 23:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @greve RT @jra Another view of all the excitement :-). http://is.gd/7bjUJ | Jan 28 23:51 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot Comments | Apple's "iPad" Out In the Open .::. Size~: 37.49 KB | Jan 28 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Jra++ | Jan 28 23:52 |
| schestowitz | "Apple Announces new iShackle (tm) !" | Jan 28 23:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I wonder how much they actually made after the two quarters were subtracted in withheld vista/7 sales | Jan 28 23:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | BBC is M$ lapdog | Jan 28 23:53 |
| oiaohm | Chrismas restocking. | Jan 28 23:53 |
| oiaohm | After chrismas restockign I personally suspect. | Jan 28 23:53 |
| oiaohm | The store where I was let our stock run to basically nothing. | Jan 28 23:53 |
| oiaohm | At some point you have to refill stock. | Jan 28 23:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Jan 28 23:53 |
| schestowitz | Whoa.http://politics.slashdot.org/story/10/01/28/1542225/US-Grants-Home-Schooling-German-Family-Political-Asylum | Jan 28 23:54 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot Politics Story | US Grants Home Schooling German Family Political Asylum .::. Size~: 204.83 KB | Jan 28 23:54 |
| oiaohm | Most businesses follow the same pattern restock after chrismas | Jan 28 23:54 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy their tech section is Rory and Maggie | Jan 28 23:54 |
| schestowitz | Both Microsoft boot lickers, having meals with the company (at least one) | Jan 28 23:54 |
| schestowitz | And the BBC (their bosses) are former Microsoft executives | Jan 28 23:55 |
| schestowitz | BBC and Microsoft UK are intersecting beyond belief | Jan 28 23:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Xbox360 down | Jan 28 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Duh :-) :-) | Jan 28 23:55 |
| oiaohm | They are saying live sales are up. | Jan 28 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft only talks about "natal" | Jan 28 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Vapourware | Jan 28 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Not "xbox360" | Jan 28 23:56 |
| schestowitz | It used to be "Halo" | Jan 28 23:56 |
| schestowitz | CHange the brand, change target | Jan 28 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Results=Vista 7 | Jan 28 23:56 |
| schestowitz | "Ignore the rest" | Jan 28 23:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I wonder why? Oh well, maybe DaemonXP can tell us why? | Jan 28 23:56 |
| oiaohm | I am waiting on the stock exchange report. | Jan 28 23:56 |
| oiaohm | That will tell us how well they really did. | Jan 28 23:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC, why is Xbox360 sales down? | Jan 28 23:57 |
| schestowitz | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/01/28/0112246/Man-in-Court-Over-Simpsons-Porn | Jan 28 23:57 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | Man in Court Over Simpsons Porn .::. Size~: 193.26 KB | Jan 28 23:57 |
| oiaohm | Xbox360 sales are down quite simpley not as many are breaking. | Jan 28 23:57 |
| oiaohm | Lot of gamers are so hooked they cannot wait for turn around. | Jan 28 23:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS pulled out all the stops here folks. They had the Xmas season. They had a new release of a slightly improved Vista, called Seven, it should have had a small bump. They withheld a massive amount of Seven revenue from other quarters. And they laid off many workers and cut projects (costs) that did not produce profits. | Jan 28 23:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ballmer had to have a good quarter, even if it was mostly an engineered one | Jan 28 23:59 |
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