| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/josephtartakoff/statuses/8378758369 | Jan 30 00:03 |
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| schestowitz | Haha | Jan 30 00:03 |
| schestowitz | He's hypnotised | Jan 30 00:03 |
| *schestowitz watches John Pilger - Obama and Empire < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXL998q7skI > | Jan 30 00:03 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I've thought of a solution to reduce the number of divorces | Jan 30 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | have the judge flip a coin to decide who gets the property and again to decide who gets all the debt | Jan 30 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | I know it would discourage divorces if there was a good chance either one of them could end up with none of the property and all the marital debt | Jan 30 00:10 |
| DaemonFC | now those may not be happy functioning marriages, but it looks good on the churches books | Jan 30 00:10 |
| DaemonFC | Instead of 70% divorce rate, it would just be the 5% who are ballsy enough to try to get a court hearing | Jan 30 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227502 | Jan 30 00:14 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Newegg.com - OCZ Colossus Series OCZSSD2-1CLS1T 3.5" 1TB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - SSD .::. Size~: 107.36 KB | Jan 30 00:14 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: watch this video | Jan 30 00:17 |
| schestowitz | Skip to ~20mins | Jan 30 00:17 |
| schestowitz | He explains what you did by promoting Obama :-) | Jan 30 00:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> I was reading the log from the other day, where you were saying that Canada has negative growth rate of population, its only the immigration that increases the population there. Are you aware that the same is happening here in the USA? | Jan 30 00:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | And in Europe? | Jan 30 00:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 thanks, have a look at this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXL998q7skI | Jan 30 00:21 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Caprica looks promising | Jan 30 00:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The gov wants increased immigration, even if illegal. It increases the tax base, have you ever seen the Gov long term cut spending? | Jan 30 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: probably true in the US, surely true in central and west Europe | Jan 30 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy: They don't pay taxes. | Jan 30 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Russia and neighbours have the 'problem' too... negative populatiom growth is actually OK | Jan 30 00:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | France for sure | Jan 30 00:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, Russia | Jan 30 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | Assuming that they do means you subscribe to the theory that they're on the books somehow (most of them anyway) and you have employers hiring 12 guys with the same Social Security card, drivers license, birth certificate, etc. | Jan 30 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | Most of the illegals work cash under-the-table | Jan 30 00:23 |
| *goblin has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) | Jan 30 00:23 | |
| DaemonFC | no paper trail, no taxes paid | Jan 30 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | just abusing taxpayer-funded safety net programs left and right | Jan 30 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | most of the ones who do pay taxes, do in fact file for returns | Jan 30 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | and the government is too bloated and politically correct to use the tax documents as a paper trail for ICE | Jan 30 00:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> I beg to differ, they the illegals do pay taxes. Some do not file to get money back on social security or withholding tax. Sales Tax anyone, u have to pay it everywhere. They are so many taxes here, beyond payroll taxes | Jan 30 00:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | gas taxes etc | Jan 30 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | so I would say that they are a huge drain on the whole, the few who do pay taxes and don't ever ask for a return are not making up for the drain | Jan 30 00:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | we tax everything here, moving or not | Jan 30 00:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | which I had that Clinton link where she said that | Jan 30 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | they're not a positive, they're not a neutral | Jan 30 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | they're a net loss for taxpayers | Jan 30 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | because American citizens have to pay more to cover for the abuse of federal and state programs | Jan 30 00:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | will yes, so is the lower class a net loss | Jan 30 00:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *well | Jan 30 00:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but the corps love em, they are so exploitable | Jan 30 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy: On some level, I agree with just giving them all some kind of legal status, not citizenship right away, but enough to make them pay taxes | Jan 30 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | or at least make it too much trouble to bother evading taxes | Jan 30 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | or more trouble | Jan 30 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | or anything other than what we do now | Jan 30 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | What made me laugh was one day when I was a manager at Walmart and I was in the break room to get a cup of coffee and this cashier walks in and shouts "Fucking beaners!", so someone else asked what happened, and apparently one of them was up at the customer service desk trying to return a stack of CDs | Jan 30 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | only there were no CDs in the cases | Jan 30 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | one of them spoke English and tried to tell me that they bought them and when they opened them up, the cases were empty | Jan 30 00:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I am against the wall being built, err, I mean the big fence. The will just tunnel, cut the fence, boat over here, if better jobs are here for them. The wall is just a handout to corps to build something that will surely fail. Its also a kickback in the making for politicians with those corps that want to build it. It is not the way. | Jan 30 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | so I declined the return and told them that legally we are not allowed to accept them back after they were open and they'd have to call the record companies | Jan 30 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | and take it up with them | Jan 30 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | which was technically a lie, I could have replaced them all with the same titles, but I wasn't going to | Jan 30 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy: There's actually a lot of illegal aliens who are leaving apparently | Jan 30 00:33 |
| DaemonFC | recession, everyone down a notch, Americans begging for jobs that nobody would have wanted two years ago | Jan 30 00:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #followfriday @LucidGlow @schestowitz principled, gutsy people! | Jan 30 00:34 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Because, things job wise sux here | Jan 30 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | puts more downward pressure on the wages, the job competition | Jan 30 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | we turned off the illegal alien magnet by eviscerating our country and our standard of living | Jan 30 00:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and its cheaper for them to go back to Mexico and hunker down | Jan 30 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they'll be back when things are better | Jan 30 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | it's like locusts leaving a dead field that's been stripped down | Jan 30 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | they'll be back when the vegetation grows in again | Jan 30 00:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | North American Treaty Alliance and the fact that the Gov looks the other way about illegals, is why the good jobs are gone | Jan 30 00:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] No NewsTechnica, I'm still 50% coldified. But this is *already* this month's no.1 post: http://is.gd/7ka0Q | Jan 30 00:36 | |
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| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy: The goal of the fence is not to prevent illegal aliens from coming in | Jan 30 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | it's actually part of the "war on drugs" | Jan 30 00:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | if they were made legal, at least they would qualify for protection from the corps under the law | Jan 30 00:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | if the Gov put a stop to illegals after that | Jan 30 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | they want to corral drug runners that haven't bribed the right American politicians | Jan 30 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | catch them | Jan 30 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | and imprison them | Jan 30 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy: I favor total legalization of marijuana, and for growing a limited amount yourself, and taxation of it as a consumer product | Jan 30 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | similar to tobacco | Jan 30 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | it would raise tax revenue, lower crime, and break the backs of these Mexican drug cartels | Jan 30 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | and it's not like alcohol is any worse | Jan 30 00:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> Chips_B_Malroy: The goal of the fence is not to prevent illegal aliens from coming in---yes, just like making Americans pay $120 for a passport to visit Canada and Mexico, stand in line at the Post Office, wait months to get said passport, was going stop terrorism, the Gov's reason for such. | Jan 30 00:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it was about money | Jan 30 00:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] looks like @twitter is editorially forcing Haiti to # 4 on Topics, since the country and city views don't show it. | Jan 30 00:39 | |
| DaemonFC | money and control | Jan 30 00:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | another tax | Jan 30 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | and forcing you to have a federal ID | Jan 30 00:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, that too | Jan 30 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | they want everyone to have a passport now because it's looking less and less like REAL ID is going to be implemented | Jan 30 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | eventually you'll need a passport to move between US states based on the "commerce clause" | Jan 30 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | or something | Jan 30 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | it's about boxing us in, containing us, making sure we're all in bed at lights out | Jan 30 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | really how much freedom do you have when the country you're in won't allow you to leave? | Jan 30 00:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Its easier to be an illegal here is some ways, as they can cross the border almost with less problems. Not all, many do have serious problems crossing with the criminal element running that | Jan 30 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy: Yeah, and for lesser crimes, they can just slip away while they're out on bail or whatever | Jan 30 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | move to the next town over and come up with a new identity | Jan 30 00:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Well the Republicians wanted to spend and build the wall/fence. With skynet and everything. And the Democrats want to do nothing, it seems. | Jan 30 00:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Both ways are wrong. | Jan 30 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | Bush wanted the amnesty program | Jan 30 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | the guest worker stuff | Jan 30 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | infuriated his own party | Jan 30 00:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | It has become a selection by the Government of which laws they like to enforce. | Jan 30 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | my mom's neighbor just called, ick | Jan 30 00:50 |
| DaemonFC | probably to "borrow" money or bum cigarettes | Jan 30 00:51 |
| Ender2070 | <Chips_B_Malroy> DaemonFC> I was reading the log from the other day, where you were saying that Canada has negative growth rate of population, its only the immigration that increases the population there. Are you aware that the same is happening here in the USA? | Jan 30 00:51 |
| Ender2070 | that was me | Jan 30 00:51 |
| Ender2070 | the birth rate is going down in canada | Jan 30 00:51 |
| Ender2070 | its not negative yet | Jan 30 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.census.gov/population/www/pop-profile/natproj.html | Jan 30 00:52 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Population Profile of the United States .::. Size~: 14.46 KB | Jan 30 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | sometime in the 2050s, white people will not be a majority in the United States | Jan 30 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | everyone gets drowned out or breaks even because of Mexican immigrants | Jan 30 00:54 |
| *DiabloD3 has quit ("do coders dream of sheep()?") | Jan 30 00:55 | |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if the dinosaurs legislated themselves out of existence with immigration quotas for mammals | Jan 30 00:55 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Jan 30 00:56 |
| Ender2070 | its not like that | Jan 30 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | public programs to encourage the new arrivals to have as many children as biologically possible | Jan 30 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | then 100 years later, the dinosaurs were no more | Jan 30 00:57 |
| Ender2070 | dude | Jan 30 00:57 |
| Ender2070 | its an attack on everyone, not just you | Jan 30 00:57 |
| Ender2070 | In canada: 1991-1992: 403,107 Births, 196,967 deaths, 316,659 immigrants | Jan 30 00:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | <Ender2070>mind you, I do not have anything really against the Mexican people. For the most part they are hard working people and cause little trouble here. | Jan 30 00:59 |
| Ender2070 | 2004-2005: 337,856 births, 234,645 deaths, 288,688 immigrats | Jan 30 00:59 |
| Ender2070 | births keep going down | Jan 30 01:00 |
| Ender2070 | each year its a smaller number | Jan 30 01:00 |
| Ender2070 | deaths go up too | Jan 30 01:00 |
| Ender2070 | Chips_B_Malroy - im not against anyone either | Jan 30 01:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I do however, feel that the illegals are being exploited, and their exploitation by the corps, is also causing wages here to be depressed | Jan 30 01:01 |
| Ender2070 | Chips_B_Malroy - im not talking about immigration, im talking about population control | Jan 30 01:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The answer is to end the exploitation | Jan 30 01:01 |
| Ender2070 | despite 300 thousand entering the country every year, the birthrate has consistantly gone down for 20 years | Jan 30 01:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Salinger's neighbours to the media: go away. http://j.mp/cb11lU | Jan 30 01:02 | |
| Ender2070 | probably longer if I can find the reports | Jan 30 01:02 |
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| Ender2070 | i only have data that goes back to 1991 | Jan 30 01:03 |
| DaemonFC | "Controversy has arisen out the safe haven law enacted in Nebraska in July 2008. The Nebraska law has been interpreted to define a child as anyone under 18,[3] and has resulted in the desertion of teenage children.[4] The law was changed in November 2008, allowing infants up to thirty-days old to be abandoned. Thirty-six children were dropped off in Nebraska hospitals in a four month span. None were infants.[5]" | Jan 30 01:04 |
| DaemonFC | now they want to pass a "safe haven" law in Indiana | Jan 30 01:04 |
| DaemonFC | are these peopel stupid? | Jan 30 01:04 |
| DaemonFC | *people | Jan 30 01:04 |
| DaemonFC | parents from all over the country start driving to Nebraska to drop off their children, as old as 16 or 17 | Jan 30 01:05 |
| DaemonFC | that was brilliant | Jan 30 01:05 |
| Ender2070 | the U.N's department of population control isn't drafting up wish-lists | Jan 30 01:06 |
| DaemonFC | http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-10423544-261.html | Jan 30 01:07 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100129/0505077972.shtml | Jan 30 01:11 |
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| schestowitz | Can can those ACTA gangsters be stopped? | Jan 30 01:21 |
| schestowitz | I guess a good start would be to educate people about Biden and his friends | Jan 30 01:21 |
| schestowitz | They elect Brand Obama to put Biden in the house wit RIAA-filled DOJ | Jan 30 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Internet-Explorer-still-a-problem-child-916160.html | Jan 30 01:22 |
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| DaemonFC | IE is practically impossible to secure without a major overhaul | Jan 30 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | woohoo | Jan 30 01:22 |
| schestowitz | I'll tweet for a bit | Jan 30 01:23 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it can help in a small way ^_^ | Jan 30 01:23 |
| Ender2070 | IE is the worst browser ever | Jan 30 01:41 |
| *DaemonFC smacks Ender2070 with an HTA embedded in a DRM'd WMA | Jan 30 01:43 | |
| DaemonFC | what now? B-) | Jan 30 01:43 |
| Ender2070 | hey, i got an iPad | Jan 30 01:45 |
| Ender2070 | the internet is in my hands | Jan 30 01:45 |
| Ender2070 | ill shake you out of it | Jan 30 01:45 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Jan 30 01:46 |
| Ender2070 | apple invented iPropaganda | Jan 30 01:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] It's more embarrassing to have your site inadvertently appear in a broken state than to be offline entirely. #obviousFact | Jan 30 01:47 | |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: Better do it with one app at a time. This is 1998 all over again. | Jan 30 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jan 30 01:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @HappyFeminist RT @estystein Bill+Melinda Gates make $10bn vaccine pledge http://bit.ly/bwXbyA //is he invested in beneficiary company? | Jan 30 01:49 | |
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| Ender2070 | the newton | Jan 30 01:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IBM Converts from #Solaris to #GNU #Linux Server http://www.infoworld.com/t/platforms/ibm-steps-sun-conversion-program-499 | Jan 30 01:54 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Discussion About the Limits of #Linux ( #Kernel Space) http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/blogs/browse/2010/01/limits | Jan 30 02:01 | |
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| DaemonFC | these test builds he's putting out with the new block switching algorithm is bloating the hell out of the resulting files | Jan 30 02:33 |
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| Aondo | hmm that valve thing again.. | Jan 30 02:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #LinuxMint 8 (Helena) #KDE (RC) http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10014924o-2000498448b,00.htm | Jan 30 02:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #PS3 to Run Any #GNU #Linux Distribution http://ur1.ca/l1wn http://ur1.ca/l1wo http://ur1.ca/l1wp | Jan 30 02:50 | |
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| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Jan 30 02:54 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz at Sun Nov 29 20:53:52 2009 | Jan 30 02:54 | |
| -ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channel | Jan 30 02:54 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Motorola Moto ZN300 Still Offers #Linux http://ur1.ca/l1x5 | Jan 30 02:57 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Michael #Dell to Make #Linux #Netpad , Android/Linux Gaining Multi-touch http://ur1.ca/ky7v http://ur1.ca/l1x9 | Jan 30 02:58 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #GNU #Linux Sub-notebooks to Cost $149 http://www.i4u.com/article30331.html | Jan 30 03:04 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New X2390 #Tablet Runs #GNU #Linux http://crave.cnet.co.uk/laptops/0,39029450,49304817,00.htm | Jan 30 03:05 | |
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| *DaemonFC lines Ender2070 up for a really fun Bill Gates-sponsored vaccine | Jan 30 03:20 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware #VoIP Gets More and More Endorsement http://ur1.ca/l1yc http://ur1.ca/l1yd | Jan 30 03:25 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla #Firefox Coming to Another #Linux #Phone Soon http://ur1.ca/l1yg http://ur1.ca/l1yh | Jan 30 03:26 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | oh boy. | Jan 30 03:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: check Slashdot top story. | Jan 30 03:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | "Novell bringing .NET developers to Apple iPad" | Jan 30 03:35 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] just up from bed! had lot of *good* dreams :P | Jan 30 03:37 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Malaysian #Government Claims #FreeSoftware Adoption rate of 95% http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/software/0,39044164,62060853,00.htm | Jan 30 03:44 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Wikimedia Adds #FreeSoftware Diva Danese Cooper, Targets CDs http://ur1.ca/l1z1 http://ur1.ca/l1z2 | Jan 30 03:46 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #P2P is Good, Embraced by Business, Attacked by #FCC http://www.web20asia.com/414 http://ur1.ca/l208 http://ur1.ca/l010 | Jan 30 04:05 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies Backlash Goes a Long Way Back http://montrealhistory.org/2010/01/copyright-issues-go-back-a-long-way/ | Jan 30 04:06 | |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: what do you mean? | Jan 30 04:08 |
| schestowitz | I see now. | Jan 30 04:13 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about it this morning | Jan 30 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The Cylons are in trouble | Jan 30 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.mopo.ca/uploaded_images/cylon-cgi-732532.jpg | Jan 30 04:17 |
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| DaemonFC | their jobs got outsourced | Jan 30 04:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | ah ok | Jan 30 04:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I keep forgetting that /. is a day behind other sources now | Jan 30 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | Slashdot is schizophrenic | Jan 30 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | it's always been that way though | Jan 30 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'd like to see ARM-based PCs directly from China, but the US Trade Office would impound them before they got off the ship | Jan 30 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | we're already buying every PC from China anyway, we may as well cut out the middle men who simply slap a DELL or HP label on it | Jan 30 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | technically, those iPod knock offs that get sold over eBay from China should be seized, but the US customs doesn't bother with onesies and twosies | Jan 30 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | selling them one at a time lets them fly under the radar | Jan 30 04:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FFII , Geist Report on #ACTA Conspiracy http://ur1.ca/l20x http://ur1.ca/l20y | Jan 30 04:26 | |
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| DaemonFC | someone should make a cheap iPod clone that only plays Vorbis, FLAC, and WavPack so they can't be seized, and cost little to make | Jan 30 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | "Thomas-Rasset's attorneys say that, win or lose, they plan to appeal the constitutionality of the fine." | Jan 30 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | yeeehaw | Jan 30 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 30 04:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Every Western country whose nationals were detained at Gtmo has requested their return EXCEPT #CANADA http://bit.ly/9HhGk4 (@tymlee @tosfm) | Jan 30 04:33 | |
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| DaemonFC | "The RIAA will appeal the ruling that reduced Jammie Thomas-Rasset's $1.92 fine for file sharing to $54,000." "That wouldn't be a reduction. That would be a dramatic increase." | Jan 30 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jan 30 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/01/29/2032255/Library-of-Congress-Explores-Ways-To-Release-OS-Software | Jan 30 04:35 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Courts: "#Canada..violated its constitution & likely intl human rights obligations by cooperating w/ US torture regime" http://bit.ly/9HhGk4 | Jan 30 04:35 | |
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| Omar87 | Hi all. | Jan 30 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | Hey, guess what. He wasn't captured in Canada, piss off. | Jan 30 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | :0 | Jan 30 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 30 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | besides, Canada is a co-conspirator in any war crimes that have been committed | Jan 30 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | they're just letting their courts chatter with mindless babble that doesn't bind the government to do anything to make people feel better about their collusion | Jan 30 04:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: ... | Jan 30 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | "We strongly object, but won't order the other branches of government to do anything" | Jan 30 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | what the hell does that accomplish? | Jan 30 04:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: of course they are a co-conspirator | Jan 30 04:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: that's the PROBLEM here | Jan 30 04:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: that's why, if you follow our politics, the parliament was recently shut down | Jan 30 04:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: to avoid censure on that point | Jan 30 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | Canada's other branches are committing the crimes and their court won't do anything but verbally denounce it | Jan 30 04:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes, I can read. | Jan 30 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | the court is in on it with them | Jan 30 04:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | you've given up on all law, haven't you. | Jan 30 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | the denouncements are so Canadians can continue to pretend it's only the US that's up to no good | Jan 30 04:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, sucks to be you. The Law is all civilisation has got, buster. | Jan 30 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | there's no such thing as law | Jan 30 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | except when the government selects to apply it to you | Jan 30 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | or themselves | Jan 30 04:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you're saying stupid stuff again. | Jan 30 04:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: nobody is denying that Canada was complicit | Jan 30 04:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: if you notice, it's being called out by the courts. | Jan 30 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | no it isn't | Jan 30 04:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: well, I give up. | Jan 30 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | it's faux-outrage from the courts | Jan 30 04:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: what would you know? | Jan 30 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | have one of them issue some binding orders | Jan 30 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | then I'll say otherwise | Jan 30 04:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: no, they have declined to do that. | Jan 30 04:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: do you know what happens next? | Jan 30 04:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: come on, you tell us what happens next | Jan 30 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | well, that shows you that they're all talk, it's a ruse | Jan 30 04:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: so what happens next. | Jan 30 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | it's for the entertainment of the people | Jan 30 04:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: what are the possible consequences of a series of adverse court rulings. | Jan 30 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | legal precedents mainly | Jan 30 04:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: huh? | Jan 30 04:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: no, these aren't changing law. | Jan 30 04:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: what are the possible consequences | Jan 30 04:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: for example, for the current government | Jan 30 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | the government could refuse to comply I guess | Jan 30 04:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: right | Jan 30 04:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: and this is reported | Jan 30 04:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: people notice | Jan 30 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | then you have a problem | Jan 30 04:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: no, *they* are going to have a problem | Jan 30 04:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: up here we still have elections | Jan 30 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, maybe | Jan 30 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | you punch your vote in on a computer, so who knows? | Jan 30 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | do they do that up there? | Jan 30 04:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | accountability is out of fashion, but it will arrive | Jan 30 04:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | unfortunately i can't even vote :) | Jan 30 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | you punch your vote in on a computer, and that computer could be set to assign that vote to anyone | Jan 30 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | so if you can't trust that the elections are not rigged..... | Jan 30 04:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Gnumeric, KDE, and KOffice Expands and Spread ODF Support http://ur1.ca/l21d http://ur1.ca/l21e http://ur1.ca/l21f | Jan 30 04:46 | |
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| DaemonFC | the government doesn't print out any kind of vote receipt, so there's plausible deniability | Jan 30 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | you can never prove that Bush wasn't elected | Jan 30 04:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | electronic voting is self evidently stupid | Jan 30 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | HAVA just made everything even worse | Jan 30 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | that was the point | Jan 30 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | Help America Trash The Trustworthy Voting System Act of 2002 | Jan 30 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Jan 30 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | is more like it | Jan 30 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | if Obama does everything he's told to by certain people, he'll win re-election in 2012 no matter how many people don't like him or voted against him | Jan 30 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | and it's because of computerized voting | Jan 30 04:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | of course | Jan 30 04:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | but there are even easier ways to win, namely control both candidates. | Jan 30 04:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | an uncontrolled candidate can't enter your race. | Jan 30 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but the computers let them marginalize third party candidates | Jan 30 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | assure that they can never win no matter what | Jan 30 04:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | I suppose Al Gore might have been the last uncontrolled contender. | Jan 30 04:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | they closed that loophole with 2008. | Jan 30 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | and they can still put the Democrats and Republicans in a cockfight to see who will agree to more of their agenda | Jan 30 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | the option of "replacing" Obama is on the table that way | Jan 30 04:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | *now* we're talking about distracting the public | Jan 30 04:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: yes. | Jan 30 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | having control of the voting system is more important than having control of all candidates | Jan 30 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | with the voting system you can always lock out the candidates you don't own | Jan 30 04:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | either works. the first is more easily discovered and expected. | Jan 30 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | again, you can suspect but never prove | Jan 30 04:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | most ppl think the latter is outlandish, yet it's the status quo | Jan 30 04:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | in the end, they do both | Jan 30 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | no paper trail, no access to the source code for the system | Jan 30 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | no telling if anyone has set it to do anything unfair even if you had the source code | Jan 30 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | you can't prove they're doing it and they don't have to prove that they're not doing it | Jan 30 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | so no, I don't believe that it's difficult to control the voting system or the candidates | Jan 30 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | or that either is more difficult than the other | Jan 30 04:56 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjYn-HwDQns | Jan 30 04:56 |
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| schestowitz | "This video contains content from Canadian Broadcasting Corp., who has decided to block it in your country. " | Jan 30 04:57 |
| schestowitz | B*stards | Jan 30 04:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | :| | Jan 30 04:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | fascist pigs! | Jan 30 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Get behind a Canadian proxy | Jan 30 04:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | ooh! | Jan 30 04:58 |
| Ender2070 | awwww seriously? | Jan 30 04:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | I have one of those.. on a vpn | Jan 30 04:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZFfGKl153U&feature=related This video contains content from Channel 4, who has decided to block | Jan 30 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | the CBC tried to block me from watching the Olympics | Jan 30 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | that lasted for a few minutes | Jan 30 04:58 |
| schestowitz | Captain's log. We received a signal from ** on StarDate 28/01/10 15:52. Translated to English it stated: | Jan 30 04:58 |
| schestowitz | > What gives ? do an investigation ... | Jan 30 04:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 30 04:58 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZFfGKl153U&feature=related | Jan 30 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Does youtube downloader work? | Jan 30 04:59 |
| Ender2070 | a documentary on male infertility | Jan 30 05:01 |
| Ender2070 | they keep taking the number down before you're declared infertile | Jan 30 05:01 |
| Ender2070 | it used to be 60 million | Jan 30 05:02 |
| Ender2070 | down to 10 million now | Jan 30 05:02 |
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| JWK_ | hello all | Jan 30 05:18 |
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| JWK | I just thought you might find this article interesting: http://geekscrap.com/2010/01/what-evil-lurks-in-ocfs2/ | Jan 30 05:19 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: What evil lurks in OCFS2 — geek scrap .::. Size~: 32.37 KB | Jan 30 05:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | looks like some good "negative knowhow " there :) | Jan 30 05:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | i think this is ... link of the day. /me doesn't know whether to laugh or cry: | Jan 30 05:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/australia-bans-small-breasts | Jan 30 05:32 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Australia bans small breasts - Somebody Think Of The Children .::. Size~: 117.27 KB | Jan 30 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | they banned small breasts, they banned big ones | Jan 30 05:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Full moon in 45 mins. http://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/Earth/action?opt=-m&img=MoonTopo.evif | Jan 30 05:37 | |
| DaemonFC | Does Australia make women get double mastectomies? | Jan 30 05:37 |
| DaemonFC | 8-) | Jan 30 05:37 |
| DaemonFC | "Even if you are 18 years old but you look younger, taking a photograph of your breasts and uploading it to the Internet could land you or someone you know in serious trouble." | Jan 30 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | Something like that was attempted in the US under the Communications Decency Act of 1996, but the courts struck it down | Jan 30 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 30 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | go legal system! | Jan 30 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | the state can't prosecute you unless they can prove the person in the picture is ACTUALLY under 18 | Jan 30 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | not "looks like jail bait, let's send it to court" | Jan 30 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | but honestly, someone that is stupid enough to take pictures of themselves fooling around with a minor deserves whatever they get | Jan 30 05:41 |
| DaemonFC | "Hey, you know what would make this federal felony even better? *whips out camera phone*" | Jan 30 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | how does anyone even think like that? | Jan 30 05:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@alykhansatchu #China at #Davos http://bit.ly/ccnvbD //Note that King of Davos Gates, corrupt as ever, always bows to China's faintest whim | Jan 30 05:43 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: China Bosses Davos as Nobody Discusses What Happened to Google - Bloomberg.com .::. Size~: 42.85 KB | Jan 30 05:43 |
| DaemonFC | generally, I would think that in commission of a crime, one would want to leave behind as little evidence as possible | Jan 30 05:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | hm | Jan 30 05:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | Iraq much? | Jan 30 05:45 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, I can download from YouTube | Jan 30 06:05 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2010/01/30/republicans_say_they_had_better_health_care_plan_even_before_obama_challenge/ | Jan 30 06:06 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Republicans say they had better health care plan even before Obama challenge - The Boston Globe .::. Size~: 38.09 KB | Jan 30 06:06 |
| DaemonFC | It does cost a lot less. Incidentally it covers almost nobody. | Jan 30 06:06 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 30 06:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | nobody who matters, anyway | Jan 30 06:06 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: you'll love my next post | Jan 30 06:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | i mean, those who matter are covered ;-) | Jan 30 06:07 |
| schestowitz | Let me just proofread it | Jan 30 06:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: :) | Jan 30 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | costs $6.1 billion a year and covers 3 million uninsured over the next 10 years | Jan 30 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | wow, that's almost half the people that will become uninsured over the next 10 years | Jan 30 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 30 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | *claps* | Jan 30 06:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | & what about the 40 mil uninsured now? | Jan 30 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | "fuck 'em" - Republican Healthcare Plan | Jan 30 06:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | as I thought ;) | Jan 30 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | there's 47 million uninsured now, and under the Republican plan we pay $61 billion to have 50 million uninsured by 2020 | Jan 30 06:09 |
| DaemonFC | isn't that just the bet plan ever? | Jan 30 06:09 |
| DaemonFC | *best | Jan 30 06:09 |
| DaemonFC | "We've had a better plan to leave poor people grovelling at the feet of overburdened charity and state programs on the verge of collapse all along. nyaaaaah nyaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!" -Republicans | Jan 30 06:10 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, it's called what we have now | Jan 30 06:11 |
| DaemonFC | they want a $61 billion dollar program to expand what we have now | Jan 30 06:11 |
| DaemonFC | Why don't they just give every American over 18 another $300 check and call it even | Jan 30 06:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home | Jan 30 06:12 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Cost of War | National Priorities Project .::. Size~: 18.95 KB | Jan 30 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | here, go buy some band-aids, a bottle of iodine, and some tweezers, needles, stiches, and anything else you may need for all that bathroom surgery you're left to do | Jan 30 06:13 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 30 06:13 |
| DaemonFC | this ought to about cover that | Jan 30 06:13 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: They keep referring to Medicare as a great system, it's not that great | Jan 30 06:15 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of doctors just flat out refuse to see you if you have Medicare | Jan 30 06:15 |
| DaemonFC | only pays about 70% of your hospital bills | Jan 30 06:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | right | Jan 30 06:15 |
| DaemonFC | and the parts of it that used to work have been privatized to the point where they waste more money and don't work now | Jan 30 06:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | gee, 'profit motive', who'd a thunk | Jan 30 06:16 |
| DaemonFC | you have to buy insurance to slap on top of your Medicare or you can still rack up tens of thousands in unpaid hospital bills | Jan 30 06:16 |
| DaemonFC | so now you're like, dealing with two systems, the government and your "gap" insurance company | Jan 30 06:16 |
| DaemonFC | just so you don't go bankrupt over some major surgery or a hospital stay | Jan 30 06:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mainstream Press Misses Billions of Dollars @BillGates Earns in #Africa (Gates Foundation as #Monsanto Front) http://ur1.ca/l24s | Jan 30 06:17 | |
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| DaemonFC | the more they privatize Medicare, the less it works | Jan 30 06:17 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: ^^ | Jan 30 06:17 |
| schestowitz | Thoughts/corrections welcome | Jan 30 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | Medicare Advantage used to be called "Medicare Part C" C being for Choice | Jan 30 06:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I'll check it out. | Jan 30 06:18 |
| *FurnaceBoy heads to bed. | Jan 30 06:18 | |
| DaemonFC | millions of people enrolled in it because the corporate Medicare plans look a lot better, until you're ON them and can't get out for a year | Jan 30 06:18 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 30 06:18 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Medikkkare :-p | Jan 30 06:18 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Now it LOOKS like you have all this extra coverage that Medicare doesn't give you, right? | Jan 30 06:19 |
| DaemonFC | until you try and file a claim and the insurance company managing your Medicare fights the claim | Jan 30 06:19 |
| DaemonFC | you asked for an insurance company and it's what you got | Jan 30 06:19 |
| DaemonFC | just stick with plain old no-frills Medicare, it looks like shit and it is shit, but it's shit that doesn't fight you every time you make a claim | Jan 30 06:20 |
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| DaemonFC | they still punish you for not taking Privatized "MediScam", cause Medicare still makes you pick a corporate insurance for your prescriptions | Jan 30 06:22 |
| DaemonFC | but the prescriptions alone cost about $30 and it only costs $35 a month to enroll in the MediScam Advantage plans which have a prescription plan in them | Jan 30 06:23 |
| learner6 | I'd like to suggest an alternative nomenclature for non-free software, one that makes clear the real problem with using it. | Jan 30 06:23 |
| DaemonFC | learner6: http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Windows_Hitler | Jan 30 06:23 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Windows Hitler - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 59.54 KB | Jan 30 06:23 |
| DaemonFC | wish granted | Jan 30 06:23 |
| learner6 | yeah, but then you get shouted down under Godwin's Law. And M$ ain't the only ones pushing non-free software. | Jan 30 06:25 |
| learner6 | That's why I'm suggesting it be called "captive software" -- the copyright/patent owners are holding some or all of our free software rights captive. | Jan 30 06:26 |
| learner6 | And it has all sorts of suitable connotations -- slavery, chains, dungeons... | Jan 30 06:27 |
| DaemonFC | bondagepr0nware | Jan 30 06:27 |
| learner6 | It would allow us to make statements like "While Mono seems to be free software, we are concerned because some vital functions are apparently subject to patents still held captive by M$." | Jan 30 06:34 |
| schestowitz | learner6: agreed | Jan 30 06:41 |
| schestowitz | We have some of these | Jan 30 06:41 |
| schestowitz | A Reader pieced together some graphics | Jan 30 06:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Register's Suggestion: #Novell and #Microsoft 's Partner of the Year Should Merge http://ur1.ca/l25m | Jan 30 06:48 | |
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| DaemonFC | "If we can afford to flood Florida with Haitian refugees to compete with all the out of work people that live there we can darn well at least keep NASA in business." | Jan 30 06:48 |
| DaemonFC | my dad | Jan 30 06:48 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jan 30 06:48 |
| DaemonFC | the great thing about Florida sticking out so much further than the rest of the US mainland is that by the time a disaster strikes in a banana republic, we already have almost all of their would-be refugees here anyway | Jan 30 06:50 |
| DaemonFC | there's a few good things about Indiana winters, palmetto bugs can't live here, those giant snakes can't live here, the kudzu vine can't live here, and most of the illegal Cubans, Mexicans, and Haitians don't try to get here, we also don't have hurricanes or severe earthquakes | Jan 30 06:53 |
| DaemonFC | and if I forget and leave my car window down a bit, I don't wake up the next morning and find Cubans living in it | Jan 30 06:54 |
| DaemonFC | poor Florida | Jan 30 06:54 |
| schestowitz | 7am... bed time before sunrise.. | Jan 30 07:02 |
| DaemonFC | http://popup.lala.com/popup/432627047888741692 | Jan 30 07:04 |
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| DaemonFC | http://popup.lala.com/popup/504684667899231674 | Jan 30 07:07 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://www.dilbert.com/fast/1995-11-13/ | Jan 30 07:17 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 30 07:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] RT @BooDy Finally, Google is officially not going to support IE 6 in its Apps starting March 1st. #Google #IE | Jan 30 07:27 | |
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| DaemonFC | they should refuse to support IE 7 as well | Jan 30 07:29 |
| DaemonFC | every version of Windows still in support with enough users worth considering can run IE 8 | Jan 30 07:29 |
| DaemonFC | they should at the very least make them use that | Jan 30 07:29 |
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| MarcusKoze | they should be tied on a nuke set to explode in 20 seconds .... for what they did to the world with their so called "browser" | Jan 30 07:38 |
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| DaemonFC | http://popup.lala.com/popup/360569479528341564 | Jan 30 08:42 |
| jono | DaemonFC, love that tune :-) | Jan 30 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | jono: I'm listening to my S&M FLACs :) | Jan 30 08:44 |
| jono | sweet :-) | Jan 30 08:44 |
| jono | awesome album :) | Jan 30 08:44 |
| DaemonFC | this album does not compress well | Jan 30 08:44 |
| DaemonFC | oh well :D | Jan 30 08:45 |
| DaemonFC | jono: Are you familiar with DVD-A? | Jan 30 08:46 |
| DaemonFC | every track you pull off one ends up being 100+ megs as FLAC | Jan 30 08:46 |
| DaemonFC | it's fairly hellacious | Jan 30 08:46 |
| jono | DaemonFC, not really familiar with it | Jan 30 08:47 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-Audio | Jan 30 08:47 |
| DaemonFC | 24-bit 96 Khz 5.1 surround is the standard | Jan 30 08:48 |
| DaemonFC | but you can do 192 Khz in plain stereo :) | Jan 30 08:48 |
| DaemonFC | FLAC can handle it either way, but it totally blows Vorbis' tiny little mind | Jan 30 08:49 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 30 08:49 |
| DaemonFC | the encoder will crash if you tell it to do anything with an audio stream of that resolution | Jan 30 08:50 |
| DaemonFC | you can use audacity or something to downsample and reduce the bit depth, but I just stay with FLAC on all the albums I get like that :D | Jan 30 08:51 |
| DaemonFC | jono: The good thing about FLAC on Ubuntu is that it doesn't really matter how many years they have gone without updating the encoder because it's lossless. ;) | Jan 30 08:52 |
| jono | nice! | Jan 30 08:52 |
| DaemonFC | the encoder Ubuntu is using for Vorbis hasn't really been updated in years | Jan 30 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | pretty much all the work on Vorbis is happening outside Xiph and Ubuntu is still carrying the Xiph reference encoder and missing all that | Jan 30 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | it leaves the user, AKA, me, to replace pieces of gstreamer that shipped with the OS and name them something that the software updater won't try to overwrite | Jan 30 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | I hate doing things like that, but it's not the only time it has happened | Jan 30 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | it's a learning experience :D | Jan 30 08:56 |
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| DaemonFC | jono: I'm not really sure about Wikipedia anymore. | Jan 30 09:22 |
| DaemonFC | Seems like I'm seeing more hearsay and corporate propaganda on it now than ever before | Jan 30 09:23 |
| _Goblin | depends what you look for. | Jan 30 09:23 |
| _Goblin | I find it a valuable source of wrestling history. | Jan 30 09:23 |
| DaemonFC | the fact that this contemptible nonsense is all over Wikipedia is disturbing | Jan 30 09:23 |
| DaemonFC | "Some people say......." | Jan 30 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | Some people say that Wikipedia is becoming Fox News. | Jan 30 09:24 |
| jono | DaemonFC, personally, I still find it really useful | Jan 30 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | I can cite that because I am a member of the some people group | Jan 30 09:24 |
| _Goblin | so do I, I think Wikipedia is the target of Daemon's attentions today.... | Jan 30 09:24 |
| _Goblin | you're lucky its not Yahoo. | Jan 30 09:24 |
| jono | whatever :-) | Jan 30 09:25 |
| DaemonFC | jono: I find myself involved in an edit war of things that shouldn't be there in the first place | Jan 30 09:25 |
| jono | DaemonFC, gotcha | Jan 30 09:25 |
| DaemonFC | by correcting propaganda terms such as "piracy" | Jan 30 09:25 |
| _Goblin | why? | Jan 30 09:25 |
| _Goblin | whats wrong with the word piracy? | Jan 30 09:25 |
| DaemonFC | or adding [citation needed] where there is a claim that's not backed up | Jan 30 09:25 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin: If you're applying it as relates to the law of the sea, nothing | Jan 30 09:26 |
| DaemonFC | use it all you want | Jan 30 09:26 |
| _Goblin | and copyright theft? | Jan 30 09:26 |
| DaemonFC | nothing in US law defines piracy as relating to MP3s | Jan 30 09:26 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 30 09:26 |
| _Goblin | no...agreed... | Jan 30 09:26 |
| _Goblin | lets get rid of identity theft too. | Jan 30 09:26 |
| _Goblin | same principle | Jan 30 09:26 |
| DaemonFC | I change it to "unlicensed copying" or such | Jan 30 09:26 |
| DaemonFC | "unauthorized copies" | Jan 30 09:27 |
| _Goblin | nah... | Jan 30 09:27 |
| _Goblin | what would you define as unauthorised? | Jan 30 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | the word "pirates" or "piracy" is an eyesore put in there by editors paid by the RIAA | Jan 30 09:27 |
| _Goblin | no copyright holders permission, restricted or top secret data... | Jan 30 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | the people that are authorized to distribute it did not authorize the copy that the user made | Jan 30 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | therefore the user made an unauthorized copy | Jan 30 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | he did not "pirate" anything | Jan 30 09:28 |
| _Goblin | I think you will find the term was penned in the early warez days of 8bit computers and the people who adopted it were the pirates themselves. | Jan 30 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | it sounds less shocking when you call it what it is | Jan 30 09:28 |
| _Goblin | lets get rid of crackz too....misleading.....unless people are going around breaking CD's. | Jan 30 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, and they gave the cartels a nice shiny shock term | Jan 30 09:29 |
| _Goblin | Like I say, I think you will find that the term piracy remained because the crews liked the name and adopted it... | Jan 30 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I've used circumvention tools to make unauthorized copies of something for | Jan 30 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | I can't recall "pirating" anything | Jan 30 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | *before | Jan 30 09:29 |
| _Goblin | you probably didnt... | Jan 30 09:29 |
| _Goblin | its was the crews that pirated, you merely spread/leached.. | Jan 30 09:30 |
| _Goblin | the idea that you hijack the code, make it yours penned the term piracy..... | Jan 30 09:30 |
| _Goblin | for example, Fairlight cracking Operation Wolf and then putting on one disk instead of two... | Jan 30 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | piracy is an industry shock term, it has been misappropriated to be used in a PR campain | Jan 30 09:31 |
| _Goblin | no its not....it was adopted many many years ago and people actually like it....(the pirates) | Jan 30 09:31 |
| DaemonFC | kind of like how the church promotes calling things you don't like "gay", it's a catch-all term for undesirable things | Jan 30 09:31 |
| _Goblin | Thats like no church I know... | Jan 30 09:31 |
| _Goblin | I'd challenge any church that promoted that. | Jan 30 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | the church didn't say anything against calling black people the "n word" either | Jan 30 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | anything that dehumanizes their enemies is OK | Jan 30 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | calling your enemies names is nothing new | Jan 30 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | that's kind of how I see "piracy" | Jan 30 09:32 |
| _Goblin | er it does daemonfc... | Jan 30 09:32 |
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| _Goblin | its the part in church where we treat people with respect. | Jan 30 09:33 |
| _Goblin | Piracy is a term for the original action.....if you download material you are a leach not a pirate. | Jan 30 09:33 |
| _Goblin | check the "scene" history yourself and see how it began. | Jan 30 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | people fed up with paying $700 for a box full of air and a floppy disk? | Jan 30 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | much like today? | Jan 30 09:34 |
| _Goblin | I remember an 8bit skidrow cracktro proudly calling themselves the "fastest pirates in Europe" | Jan 30 09:34 |
| _Goblin | if you don't like the price, don't purchase....there is no need to take a copy for free. | Jan 30 09:36 |
| _Goblin | vote with your feet. | Jan 30 09:36 |
| _Goblin | this is the problem, people justify piracy by the high prices.... | Jan 30 09:37 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin: So how do you feel about using FOSS which violates patents? | Jan 30 09:37 |
| _Goblin | completely different.... | Jan 30 09:37 |
| DaemonFC | my mindset on that is sort of "to hell with them" | Jan 30 09:37 |
| DaemonFC | you know, like those AAC decoders that have to be distributed as source code and the binaries hosted on foreign servers | Jan 30 09:38 |
| DaemonFC | if a person uses an unlicensed AAC decoder, is that the same as "pirating" a piece of software? | Jan 30 09:39 |
| _Goblin | no, Ive given the basis behind the term piracy...... | Jan 30 09:39 |
| DaemonFC | and I also remember Nullsoft stating that the registration fee for Winamp was not paying them any money, it was the user paying for MPEG patent licenses to use the encoders | Jan 30 09:39 |
| _Goblin | It would (if any offense) fall under the Designs and Patents Act. | Jan 30 09:40 |
| DaemonFC | so if you use a keygen to register Winamp, is it "stealing"? | Jan 30 09:40 |
| Eruaran | A freind who is a gamer was teling me about ridiculous new levels of DRM in forthcoming games. | Jan 30 09:40 |
| _Goblin | No, of course not (In UK law anyway) | Jan 30 09:40 |
| _Goblin | Sec(1) Theft Act says.... | Jan 30 09:41 |
| Eruaran | Customers are treated as criminals on parole | Jan 30 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | Eruaran: :) Couldn't have said it better myself. | Jan 30 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | what weirded me out is how Winamp uses the Sonic runtime and that's also one of the things you have to pay to fully use | Jan 30 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | else it limits you to 8x ripping | Jan 30 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | what's wrong with using NT ASPI like everything else does? | Jan 30 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | that's part of Windows! | Jan 30 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | err, SPTI | Jan 30 09:44 |
| Eruaran | Valve is advertising for senior engineers. They want Linux and Mac people. | Jan 30 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | is what I mean | Jan 30 09:44 |
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| DaemonFC | Eruaran: Valva wanted Linux people back in 2006 | Jan 30 09:44 |
| Eruaran | DaemonFC: Yes, this is fresh. | Jan 30 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | in that 4 years, they have released a total of 0 Linux products | Jan 30 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 30 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | just in case I was the only one keeping count | Jan 30 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | *Valve | Jan 30 09:45 |
| Eruaran | Apparently they "REALLY" want Linux and Mac devs. | Jan 30 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | well, I *REALLY* wanted some Linux games back in 2006 | Jan 30 09:45 |
| Eruaran | heh | Jan 30 09:45 |
| Eruaran | same | Jan 30 09:45 |
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| DaemonFC | apparently they didn't want my money that badly | Jan 30 09:46 |
| Eruaran | But I think that they are actually up to something | Jan 30 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | Eruaran: World of Goo proved that Linux can make you money if you bother to do the port and don't really have distribution costs | Jan 30 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | They need to learn from that example | Jan 30 09:46 |
| Eruaran | I think they will bring Steam to Linux | Jan 30 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | I guarantee you the World of Goo Linux port took a day or two to do, and after that it's been pure profit | Jan 30 09:47 |
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| DaemonFC | their sales are probably disproportionately higher for Linux users | Jan 30 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | they're not really competing with anyone for one thing | Jan 30 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | there's like 1 commercial game for Linux every 1-2 years | Jan 30 09:49 |
| Eruaran | I liked World Of Goo | Jan 30 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | Steam could monopolize Linux gaming | Jan 30 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | but what games would they put on there? | Jan 30 09:50 |
| DaemonFC | they don't own most of what they sell | Jan 30 09:50 |
| DaemonFC | they're just the middle man | Jan 30 09:50 |
| Eruaran | World Of Goo :) | Jan 30 09:50 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, I prefer my standalone DEB package with no DRM | Jan 30 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | personally | Jan 30 09:51 |
| Eruaran | World Of Goo on Steam has DRM ? | Jan 30 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | it would if it was on Steam | Jan 30 09:51 |
| Eruaran | oh | Jan 30 09:51 |
| Eruaran | But it is on Steam | Jan 30 09:51 |
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| DaemonFC | yeah, but what if Valve goes under 10 years from now and I have 50 of their games I lose cause I couldn't break them out of Steam? | Jan 30 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | that's what you have to worry about with DRM | Jan 30 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | MSN Music ftw! :P | Jan 30 09:52 |
| Eruaran | heh | Jan 30 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart Music too :) | Jan 30 09:52 |
| Eruaran | I dunno what their plans are | Jan 30 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | 99 cents a track and lose every one of them when the licensing server is gone | Jan 30 09:53 |
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| _Goblin | sorry bout that... | Jan 30 09:53 |
| _Goblin | damn O2 | Jan 30 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | which happened to every song they "sold" to every user that "bought" them | Jan 30 09:53 |
| amarsh04 | schestowitz, I wrote a short message and sent to http://www.abc.net.au/rn/healthreport/ the link http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/30/bill-gates-patent-investments/ | Jan 30 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | Eruaran: I'm of the mind that if I pay premium pricing for something I should get some premium thing to justify the price | Jan 30 09:54 |
| DaemonFC | DRM'd anything is a guarantee that this won't happen | Jan 30 09:54 |
| Eruaran | agreed | Jan 30 09:54 |
| DaemonFC | far be it from me to pay CD prices (or more) for lossy music files | Jan 30 09:54 |
| Eruaran | They need to add dark chocolate with orange filling | Jan 30 09:55 |
| DaemonFC | yes, sometimes the 256k AAC files on iTunes work out to be a few bucks more than the 1411.2 kbps CD | Jan 30 09:55 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jan 30 09:55 |
| Eruaran | I don't like iTunes from the artists perspective | Jan 30 09:55 |
| DaemonFC | I could buy the CD myself cheaper and rip it to whatever I want | Jan 30 09:56 |
| Eruaran | Artists get ripped off | Jan 30 09:56 |
| DaemonFC | that's the ripoff, I could get the CD $3 cheaper and pull CD-quality FLAC files from it | Jan 30 09:56 |
| DaemonFC | iTunes is the biggest ripodd of any music store out there | Jan 30 09:56 |
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| DaemonFC | I'll pay the 89-99 cents a track when they give me FLAC files | Jan 30 09:57 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not paying that for an MP3 | Jan 30 09:57 |
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| DaemonFC | lossy codecs are the new 8-track/cassette | Jan 30 09:58 |
| Eruaran | I like FLAC | Jan 30 09:58 |
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| DaemonFC | they can declare codecs obsolete or say "We doubled the bitrate, your collection is looking like shit now" | Jan 30 09:58 |
| DaemonFC | "Pay us more to upgrade" | Jan 30 09:59 |
| DaemonFC | then you have to buy all your music again, that you already bought | Jan 30 09:59 |
| Eruaran | I think its basically the consumers fault in the end. | Jan 30 09:59 |
| DaemonFC | it's their fault for funding this shit | Jan 30 09:59 |
| Eruaran | If people didn't buy it, the likes of Apple wouldn't get away with it. | Jan 30 09:59 |
| DaemonFC | I will never buy a DRM'd music file, I never have | Jan 30 10:00 |
| DaemonFC | I've never bought it | Jan 30 10:00 |
| DaemonFC | I buy CDs | Jan 30 10:00 |
| DaemonFC | used CDs | Jan 30 10:00 |
| DaemonFC | I never buy a new CD | Jan 30 10:01 |
| DaemonFC | just wait a month or two and buy it used for half off | Jan 30 10:01 |
| DaemonFC | someone will get tired of it | Jan 30 10:01 |
| Eruaran | I bought In Rainbows direct from Radioheads site | Jan 30 10:01 |
| DaemonFC | no reason to give RIAA any more money | Jan 30 10:01 |
| Eruaran | No middle man | Jan 30 10:01 |
| DaemonFC | I've amassed a collection of CDs well over 1,000 by just getting them used | Jan 30 10:01 |
| DaemonFC | they almost never cost more than $5-6 | Jan 30 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | some are as cheap as $1-2 | Jan 30 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | it all just depends | Jan 30 10:02 |
| Eruaran | I like to support artists, not labels | Jan 30 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the artists get the worst end of the deal | Jan 30 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | they pay the RIAA 90% of their income to drive away half their customers | Jan 30 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | not a healthy relationship | Jan 30 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | I'd fire the RIAA and self-publish over the internet too | Jan 30 10:04 |
| Eruaran | I think the label Radiohead uses now is purely for distribution | Jan 30 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | Radiohead would half to lose most of their sales to do worse than they are in their RIAA contract | Jan 30 10:04 |
| Eruaran | I think the Internet has changed things | Jan 30 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | like 90-95% of them lose | Jan 30 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | *lost | Jan 30 10:05 |
| Eruaran | I don't think they're in with the RIAA, they have testified against them. | Jan 30 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | just self-public, fuck the CD, sell FLACs from your website | Jan 30 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | everyone wins | Jan 30 10:05 |
| Eruaran | yep | Jan 30 10:05 |
| Eruaran | I'm all for that | Jan 30 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | *publish | Jan 30 10:05 |
| Eruaran | When the public can directly get your music from your own website, I don't really see the need for a label. | Jan 30 10:06 |
| DaemonFC | they deserve better than paying to be pushed around by a group of lawyers that have plastic discs stamped and sue their fans | Jan 30 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 30 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of them just don't realize it I guess | Jan 30 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | there is no need for a label | Jan 30 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | you're better off to jsut buy your own equipment than to put your soul up as collateral for studio time | Jan 30 10:08 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 30 10:08 |
| Eruaran | totally | Jan 30 10:08 |
| Eruaran | you don't need a studio | Jan 30 10:08 |
| DaemonFC | it's ridiculous what these RIAA contracts look like | Jan 30 10:08 |
| Eruaran | A label wanted to sign a friend of mine | Jan 30 10:08 |
| Eruaran | He showed me the contract | Jan 30 10:09 |
| DaemonFC | and then they start controlling what you can publish based on demographics and you have to self-censor what you can sing about | Jan 30 10:09 |
| DaemonFC | and then the FCC picks off the rest of your work if it gets on the radio | Jan 30 10:09 |
| DaemonFC | bleep this and mute that | Jan 30 10:10 |
| Eruaran | It basically said they own the recordings, copyright to your music, and they own you and you must do whatever they tell you. | Jan 30 10:10 |
| DaemonFC | can't say the word "high" as in "get high" | Jan 30 10:10 |
| Eruaran | Needless to say, he didn't sign. | Jan 30 10:10 |
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| DaemonFC | you're gonna get <mute> that's right totally <bleep> | Jan 30 10:10 |
| _goblin | Im fed up of this damn O2. | Jan 30 10:10 |
| Eruaran | The ones that sign are under 25 years old and never read it. | Jan 30 10:10 |
| DaemonFC | Eruaran: The FCC is responsible for the decay of intelligible thought | Jan 30 10:11 |
| DaemonFC | right up there with the RIAA labels | Jan 30 10:11 |
| DaemonFC | it's like, if the right one doesn't get you, the left one will | Jan 30 10:12 |
| Eruaran | If you never sign, they can't touch you. | Jan 30 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | there's entire gaps in artists discographies that won't be played on the radio | Jan 30 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | after 9/11, the government retroactively banned hundreds of songs from being on the radio | Jan 30 10:13 |
| Eruaran | Ye | Jan 30 10:13 |
| DaemonFC | they did it real quietly | Jan 30 10:13 |
| Eruaran | I know of an artist (I have forgotten her name), her first two albums are impossible to get now. | Jan 30 10:13 |
| _goblin | daemonFC: and whats the problem? is your life any less rich because of it? | Jan 30 10:13 |
| Eruaran | And she has no control over that. | Jan 30 10:13 |
| DaemonFC | Eruaran: Just pull a Trent Reznor | Jan 30 10:14 |
| Eruaran | yes | Jan 30 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | tell your fans to get online and "steal steal steal" if the record labels are being assholes | Jan 30 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 30 10:14 |
| _goblin | come on, we are talking music....is this really that important? Why not just do without? | Jan 30 10:15 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder why so many artists all of a sudden no longer fear the RIAA's swift retribution | Jan 30 10:15 |
| _goblin | its hardly the end of the world. | Jan 30 10:15 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jan 30 10:15 |
| Eruaran | Part of it is western culture | Jan 30 10:16 |
| Eruaran | In India, artists are paid well to perform live and it is simply not done to rip them off, its considered beyond rude but extremely unseemly. | Jan 30 10:17 |
| _goblin | Eruaran: What RIAA actions or lily Allen? | Jan 30 10:18 |
| _goblin | Eruaran: If you are talking Lily allen, she's no part of my cultural heritage. | Jan 30 10:18 |
| Eruaran | Lily Allen did not enter my mind. | Jan 30 10:18 |
| _goblin | Eruaran: no, Im sure....but all this anti-RIAA is quite simple to find a solution to.... | Jan 30 10:18 |
| _goblin | Eruaran: Don't buy into the music industry. Vote with you feet, but most importantly do not give them ammunition to take you to court to seek reconpense. | Jan 30 10:19 |
| Eruaran | I didn't | Jan 30 10:20 |
| Eruaran | I've been in a producers office too | Jan 30 10:20 |
| Eruaran | The offer was... unsettling | Jan 30 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | Asking someone if they like the RIAA is about like asking them if they like the IRS | Jan 30 10:21 |
| _goblin | Eruaran: then really there is no argument......the RIAA et al will loose their power if people are not infringing copyright laws and not buying music.... | Jan 30 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | you know the answer and the question is rhetorical | Jan 30 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | _goblin: I don't care how people are bypassing the RIAA, the fact that they are doing so is to be encouraged | Jan 30 10:21 |
| Eruaran | I really thing Americans should do something about the IRS... and the Fed. | Jan 30 10:21 |
| kecskebak | In Hungary the collection agency just needs people buying USB pen drives or blank CDs and DVDs and their power will stay intact | Jan 30 10:22 |
| kecskebak | So even boycotting music won't work | Jan 30 10:22 |
| oiaohm | http://slashdot.org/story/10/01/30/0811202/Fertilizer-Dump-Spoils-Intels-Pure-Water Opps | Jan 30 10:23 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: Then you are giving the RIAA more ammunition to continue their actions if its actions that can wind the users up in court. | Jan 30 10:23 |
| kecskebak | I went ballistic when I saw I paid compulsory tax to a collection agency on two USB keys that only get used for GNU/Linux images | Jan 30 10:23 |
| Eruaran | me and some friends will work on some music this year | Jan 30 10:23 |
| Eruaran | we'll come up with a project name and put up a site | Jan 30 10:24 |
| Eruaran | The music will be free | Jan 30 10:24 |
| _goblin | and I wonder how you would feel if your track which could have sold millions....... | Jan 30 10:24 |
| Eruaran | Donations welcomed | Jan 30 10:24 |
| Eruaran | they sell millions | Jan 30 10:25 |
| Eruaran | the labels aren't losing out to piracy | Jan 30 10:25 |
| Eruaran | they're losing out to iTunes | Jan 30 10:25 |
| Eruaran | 'piracy' is just a soft target | Jan 30 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | cheapening the brand, giving Apple a cut | Jan 30 10:25 |
| _goblin | Eruaran: Labels not loosing to piracy? Like some profit margins and quotes from the people employed? | Jan 30 10:25 |
| Eruaran | _goblin: the labels are leeches and to be avoided | Jan 30 10:26 |
| _goblin | Eruaran: maybe so, but they are responsible for the promotion of titles and since thats the way its worked for a while, I don't think you me or anyone else in BN is going to do anything about it merely chatting here. | Jan 30 10:27 |
| _goblin | its a little like trying to come up with a solution for world peace.... | Jan 30 10:27 |
| Eruaran | _goblin: Did I say we would ? | Jan 30 10:27 |
| _goblin | no, you didn't but the fact you are forgetting is that the vast majority of filesharers don't have the same morals as you and simply want something for nothing...thats the problem. | Jan 30 10:28 |
| _goblin | Do you really think average joe downloader gives two hoots about labels, the RIAA or anything else? Of course not, they just want the latest media for free.... | Jan 30 10:28 |
| oiaohm | Most foss people don't pirate music and the like. Breaching other peoples copyrights really does not give you the means to protect your rights. | Jan 30 10:29 |
| Eruaran | File sharers are your promotion agents | Jan 30 10:29 |
| oiaohm | Remember to have items like shirts and cups and the like on offer Eruaran. They are a little harder for people to pirate. | Jan 30 10:30 |
| Eruaran | You can't pirate what is free | Jan 30 10:30 |
| _goblin | putting aside those who make decisions based on moral, ethical FOSS usage, can anyone here really say the average downloader really cares less about the morals of labels.... | Jan 30 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.stereophile.com/news/10880/ | Jan 30 10:30 |
| _goblin | Eruaran: Er Yes you can... | Jan 30 10:30 |
| _goblin | Eruaran: Plurk | Jan 30 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | that was my favorite RIAA moment | Jan 30 10:30 |
| Eruaran | Our music will be freely available and free to share | Jan 30 10:31 |
| _goblin | Eruaran: violating the GPL. | Jan 30 10:31 |
| Eruaran | You were telling me to have shirts and cups | Jan 30 10:31 |
| oiaohm | People will buy them Eruaran | Jan 30 10:31 |
| Eruaran | harder for people to pirate... Our material will be free to share | Jan 30 10:31 |
| _goblin | So Eruaran, what would you do if I remixed your tune and sold it making millions.....? | Jan 30 10:31 |
| _goblin | Would you be happy? | Jan 30 10:32 |
| oiaohm | Even more than what they will give donations. Eruaran | Jan 30 10:32 |
| Eruaran | All I'd ask for is attribution | Jan 30 10:32 |
| _goblin | lol | Jan 30 10:32 |
| _goblin | Im sure. | Jan 30 10:32 |
| _goblin | and what if I didnt? | Jan 30 10:32 |
| oiaohm | Ie person feels better giving more of they have something to show for it. | Jan 30 10:32 |
| Eruaran | Why would it be a problem for you ? | Jan 30 10:32 |
| _goblin | answer the question.... | Jan 30 10:32 |
| Eruaran | I'm not seeking to kill your joy | Jan 30 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | subscription WMA sites are the lulziest thing I've ever seen | Jan 30 10:32 |
| oiaohm | Even warped items like signed cd's Eruaran | Jan 30 10:32 |
| _goblin | what if I didn't give you credit. | Jan 30 10:32 |
| Eruaran | worse things have happened | Jan 30 10:33 |
| _goblin | and was making millions off your work. | Jan 30 10:33 |
| Eruaran | so what | Jan 30 10:33 |
| Eruaran | If the point of my work was to make millions I would have charged for it in the first place | Jan 30 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | Eruaran: I managed to sign up for URGE when Microsoft and MTV had it going, get the 2 week free trial, download a bunch of music, and strip the DRM out | Jan 30 10:33 |
| oiaohm | Heck samba still has the donate a car program in the USA. | Jan 30 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 30 10:33 |
| oiaohm | Yep car don't run Samba team will pick it up and have to crushed for the metal price Eruaran | Jan 30 10:33 |
| _goblin | eruaran: So you are expecting me to believe that I could take your tune, make millions from it and fail to credit you.....and you would just sit back with a smile, happy in the knowledge your work was free? Are you really expecting me to beleive that? | Jan 30 10:34 |
| Eruaran | I'm not really concerned what you believe | Jan 30 10:34 |
| _goblin | eruaran: Or would you consider (like your right) that you could have a legal recourse in a civil court.... | Jan 30 10:34 |
| Eruaran | sigh | Jan 30 10:35 |
| oiaohm | Some music people just want people to enjoy there music. | Jan 30 10:35 |
| _goblin | Eruaran: And if you are not concerned, then why put your opinions forwards...isn't this a discussion? | Jan 30 10:35 |
| oiaohm | That is what makes the happy _goblin | Jan 30 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | there's nothing the RIAA can do except continue to rol around launching frivolous lawsuits | Jan 30 10:35 |
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| DaemonFC | why be afraid of them? | Jan 30 10:35 |
| oiaohm | Eruaran: I am just suggesting think out side the box and offer some items and your donation rates will be higher. | Jan 30 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | I'll file bankruptcy and get the damages discharged if needs be | Jan 30 10:36 |
| Eruaran | You seem to have a bigger problem with me giving my own music away for free than with the RIAA | Jan 30 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | fuck em | Jan 30 10:36 |
| Eruaran | And I don't think mugs and t-shirts is exactly 'thinking outside the box' | Jan 30 10:36 |
| _goblin | oiaohm: Whilst I don't agree with targetting and methods of the RIAA its interesting to try to get people to comment on the piracy issue if they are the victim of it....as it shows with Eruaran, the freedom POV often doesn't want to comment. | Jan 30 10:36 |
| Eruaran | You're treating my own personal artistic pursuits like it has business aims | Jan 30 10:37 |
| oiaohm | They were just poor ideas off the top of my head. Eruaran. Just say I don't think that will out side the box. | Jan 30 10:37 |
| Eruaran | ? | Jan 30 10:37 |
| oiaohm | will/well | Jan 30 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | the problem with the RIAA is that they make it unlikely anyone will have sympathy for a "victim" represented by them | Jan 30 10:37 |
| _goblin | Eruaran: No im not....Im asking what you would do if you are exploitd. | Jan 30 10:37 |
| oiaohm | Particular when my dyslexia is eating my mind for lunch. Eruaran | Jan 30 10:37 |
| Eruaran | How am I being exploited ? | Jan 30 10:37 |
| _goblin | Eruaran: In the example I gave above which you didn't answer. | Jan 30 10:38 |
| Eruaran | And do you think on the Internet that it will take long for people to know where someone who did a remix got their loops from ? | Jan 30 10:38 |
| Eruaran | Do you know any remixers ? | Jan 30 10:38 |
| _goblin | does it matter? Ive already made millions from your track. | Jan 30 10:38 |
| _goblin | that was the point. | Jan 30 10:38 |
| _goblin | you can have all the sympathy you want after the incident.... | Jan 30 10:39 |
| _goblin | I am asking you for your actions AFTER I have made the money from your tunes. | Jan 30 10:39 |
| Eruaran | I haven't met one that has any problem giving attribution, they love telling people where they got their stuff from. They remixed it because they liked it in the first place and I haven't met one that doesn't enthusiastically share where they got it from. | Jan 30 10:39 |
| _goblin | Eruaran: Maybe not....But I am trying to get you to answer what you would do, if you were the "victim" of what I exampled. | Jan 30 10:40 |
| Eruaran | If you want to get me into court | Jan 30 10:40 |
| _goblin | ? | Jan 30 10:40 |
| Eruaran | Claim copyright | Jan 30 10:40 |
| _goblin | Thats what you would do? | Jan 30 10:40 |
| Eruaran | and start trying to sue people who freely share and remix your music | Jan 30 10:40 |
| oiaohm | The big thing I remember as a artist you still have to eat like the rest of us. Eruaran. Ok I know signed cds' cups/shirts are boring. But they sell. More interesting items can sometimes make more profit for artists. | Jan 30 10:40 |
| Eruaran | I don't have a problem if you remix my music | Jan 30 10:40 |
| Eruaran | I don't have a problem if you make millions form it | Jan 30 10:41 |
| Eruaran | *from it | Jan 30 10:41 |
| _goblin | and don't credit you? | Jan 30 10:41 |
| Eruaran | I have a problem with someone who then claims copyright ownership and then tries to sue others who want to use it | Jan 30 10:41 |
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| _goblin | Eruaran: Im sorry, but I can't buy into what you say. Is anyone here really saying that work they had spent their time on could be used to make millions and they would have no problem watching someone else roll in the cash with their work?? Is there really anyone here who believes anyone would be happy with that? | Jan 30 10:43 |
| oiaohm | Think BSD developers _goblin | Jan 30 10:43 |
| _goblin | oiaohm: I am refering to the music example given earlier....but yes. | Jan 30 10:43 |
| Eruaran | Bob Dylan lifted words from a writers novel's without attribution. The media tried to make a big deal about it... they went looking for a controversy, but had the wind taken from their sails when they found the writer was extremely happy to know Bob Dylan had read his book and lifted material from it. | Jan 30 10:44 |
| Eruaran | You don't have to "buy" into what I say | Jan 30 10:44 |
| Eruaran | It might be terribly difficult for you, but not for me. | Jan 30 10:45 |
| oiaohm | I understand it. Eruaran. Just the most important thing to me is that you make sure you set up the other revene streams so you can spend more time on music. So I have more music to listern to. | Jan 30 10:45 |
| _goblin | I think I must live in a different reality to you.....but I fail to see everyone jumping in agreement. | Jan 30 10:46 |
| _goblin | *aimed at Eruaran | Jan 30 10:46 |
| oiaohm | Yep I am truthful about my own greed. Eruaran | Jan 30 10:46 |
| Eruaran | I have a revenue stream | Jan 30 10:46 |
| _goblin | I think we are all greedy...... | Jan 30 10:46 |
| _goblin | its human nature to better ones position in life. | Jan 30 10:46 |
| Eruaran | People all upset about the idea of me being happy to see my music bein shared | Jan 30 10:47 |
| Eruaran | strange | Jan 30 10:47 |
| _goblin | not upset | Jan 30 10:47 |
| _goblin | at all... | Jan 30 10:47 |
| Eruaran | its not a business | Jan 30 10:47 |
| _goblin | I think its admirable. | Jan 30 10:47 |
| Eruaran | Its for fun | Jan 30 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | heh, that Russian webiste is selling FLACs now | Jan 30 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | sweet | Jan 30 10:47 |
| Eruaran | you know... enjoyment ? | Jan 30 10:47 |
| Eruaran | As Bruce Cockburn sings, "don't forget about delight" | Jan 30 10:48 |
| _goblin | yep agreed.....but when money comes into place I'd love to see the free ethos survive then...... | Jan 30 10:48 |
| _goblin | and if you do it for enjoyment..... | Jan 30 10:48 |
| _goblin | why ask for donations at all? | Jan 30 10:48 |
| _goblin | that to me implies expectation of reconpense for your work. | Jan 30 10:48 |
| Eruaran | sigh | Jan 30 10:48 |
| _goblin | please dont say "sigh"...if you can't answer, just don't | Jan 30 10:49 |
| Eruaran | Ok, I wont have a donations button | Jan 30 10:49 |
| Eruaran | happy ? | Jan 30 10:49 |
| _goblin | no | Jan 30 10:49 |
| Eruaran | good | Jan 30 10:49 |
| _goblin | you are entitled to reward for your work..... | Jan 30 10:49 |
| _goblin | thats my point..... | Jan 30 10:49 |
| Eruaran | offs | Jan 30 10:49 |
| Eruaran | You don't get to decide | Jan 30 10:49 |
| _goblin | and thats what you won't acknowledge. | Jan 30 10:49 |
| oiaohm | Have you read Linus book just for fun. Eruaran | Jan 30 10:49 |
| Eruaran | That's my choice | Jan 30 10:49 |
| Eruaran | Good grief | Jan 30 10:50 |
| oiaohm | It is your choice but if you have a chance of doing what you do for fun for the rest of you life. Why not attempt to take it. Eruaran | Jan 30 10:50 |
| Eruaran | I can't even give music away for free without people hassling me | Jan 30 10:51 |
| oiaohm | you must lack my form of greed. Eruaran | Jan 30 10:51 |
| _goblin | Eruaran: this is a debate...nobody is hassling, if you don't want to do that, don't put your opinions across. | Jan 30 10:51 |
| Eruaran | My view is different from yours. | Jan 30 10:52 |
| Eruaran | If you don't accept it, that's fine. | Jan 30 10:52 |
| oiaohm | I was just trying to be helpful Eruaran sorry If I seamed pushy. | Jan 30 10:52 |
| _goblin | Eruaran: i do.....Im asking you to justify it....(like you can to me) | Jan 30 10:52 |
| Eruaran | What do you think you're going to achieve by going on and on at me about it ? | Jan 30 10:52 |
| Eruaran | Why do I have to make a "career" of it ? | Jan 30 10:53 |
| _goblin | you don't | Jan 30 10:53 |
| Eruaran | These are your expectations | Jan 30 10:53 |
| Eruaran | not mine | Jan 30 10:53 |
| _goblin | you can still be rewarded for it though. | Jan 30 10:53 |
| Eruaran | and so we go back to the start again | Jan 30 10:53 |
| oiaohm | Linus expect to be a chip designer. Eruaran | Jan 30 10:53 |
| oiaohm | This world is a funny place you never 100 percent know how it will turn out. | Jan 30 10:54 |
| Eruaran | I enjoy music and creativity. Let me just enjoy it without trying to turn it into a fucking business. | Jan 30 10:54 |
| oiaohm | I personally place my bets all over the place one day one might pay off. | Jan 30 10:54 |
| Eruaran | I've been there | Jan 30 10:54 |
| Eruaran | It's bullshit | Jan 30 10:54 |
| _goblin | theres no need to swear. | Jan 30 10:54 |
| Eruaran | And it ruined me creatively | Jan 30 10:54 |
| oiaohm | Sorry I was not aware of that Eruaran | Jan 30 10:55 |
| Eruaran | And there's no need to keep pushing your ideas on someone who doesn't want to play the game | Jan 30 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.betanews.com/article/On-second-thought-maybe-the-RIAA-did-conspire-to-fix-prices-appeals-court-finds/1263424081 | Jan 30 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | The RIAA has been hauled back into court over price fixing | Jan 30 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | nice | Jan 30 10:55 |
| oiaohm | So you are the time that cannot mix fun and business? Eruaran | Jan 30 10:56 |
| _goblin | Eruaran: nobody is pushing anything, you say you believe in freedom and creativity? Let people express themselves here. | Jan 30 10:56 |
| oiaohm | time/type | Jan 30 10:56 |
| Eruaran | There are different kinds of business | Jan 30 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | _goblin: I think my point is that with Apple and RIAA gobbling up all but about 3 cents of every song purchase on iTunes, how could the artist possibly do worse by firing the RIAA and distributing material on their own website? | Jan 30 10:57 |
| Eruaran | And I should be allowed to express my opinion without people arguing as if at some point they expect me to agree with theirs. | Jan 30 10:57 |
| oiaohm | Put it this way if you are Eruaran you would not be the first person like it I know. | Jan 30 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | They would have to lose nearly 97% of their sales to do worse, right | Jan 30 10:57 |
| oiaohm | Ie business on mind completely blocks creatiity to them. | Jan 30 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | so even if they lose half their sales, they're still doing much better | Jan 30 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | cause RIAA and Apple was making off with all the money anyway | Jan 30 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | if someone is signed with the RIAA and distributed on Apple, they probably do have to make a million seller album to put food on the table | Jan 30 10:59 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: Agreed.....But thats for the artist, not the filesharer to decide. | Jan 30 11:01 |
| _goblin | I may be about to say something very provoking now but......... | Jan 30 11:02 |
| oiaohm | All of us here have one thing in common we all want to see you do well one way or the other Eruaran | Jan 30 11:03 |
| oiaohm | Just each of us can be kinda overbaring over it. | Jan 30 11:03 |
| _goblin | I would challenge anyone who claimed that after making a track which they intended to be free, would turn down an offer of millions from a record label....I would'nt as much as I love the FOSS ethos, my family and my home life comes first...money talks (rightly or wrongly) and its maybe why so many bloggers are happy to shill for Microsoft. | Jan 30 11:04 |
| _goblin | I think thats a realistic opinion and people can spout about some idealistic world where everything is free everyone shares....unfortunate truth is, the rest of the world doesn't live like that. | Jan 30 11:05 |
| Eruaran | You've obviously never been "offered" anything by a record label | Jan 30 11:05 |
| _goblin | unfortunately not.. | Jan 30 11:05 |
| _goblin | if I had, I would take it. | Jan 30 11:05 |
| oiaohm | Nop _goblin | Jan 30 11:05 |
| Eruaran | And would you read the contract ? | Jan 30 11:05 |
| oiaohm | You are lucky to get a few cents each copy sold _goblin | Jan 30 11:06 |
| _goblin | if my work had been intended for free then is it any worse? | Jan 30 11:06 |
| oiaohm | And they will have owner ship to what ever you produce in the time of the contract _goblin | Jan 30 11:06 |
| oiaohm | It suxs. | Jan 30 11:06 |
| _goblin | of course a contract may have facets that I wouldn't want....but Im talking simplistic terms of "money talks" | Jan 30 11:06 |
| oiaohm | At least givign it away for free you keep ownership _goblin | Jan 30 11:07 |
| _goblin | true....but then that goes back to what a freedom believer would do if their work was taken by another and millions made from it wihtout credit. | Jan 30 11:07 |
| oiaohm | The record companies if they have someone else sing your song they don't have to give you credit either. | Jan 30 11:08 |
| oiaohm | Due to the contract. _goblin | Jan 30 11:08 |
| oiaohm | So how is missing out on credit so bad. | Jan 30 11:08 |
| oiaohm | Even worse under contract you cannot even complain about your song being sung by someone else _goblin | Jan 30 11:08 |
| oiaohm | Yes I have read those evil record company contracts. | Jan 30 11:09 |
| _goblin | true....but then I was trying to get to crux of a track released for free being exploited without permission.....would the actions of the artist seek reconpense through the civil courts in much the same way as we see the labels doing today or would the artist just sit back and let it happen? | Jan 30 11:11 |
| oiaohm | If you are under contract you cannot use the civil courts. | Jan 30 11:11 |
| oiaohm | Only the record company can _goblin | Jan 30 11:11 |
| _goblin | I was meaning in respect of releasing the track for free...no contract no label, then the track being taken by a label without permission. | Jan 30 11:12 |
| oiaohm | This is so artist cannot cause PR nightmares. So the recourd companies can settle out of court. | Jan 30 11:12 |
| oiaohm | That is only if the artist is a free artist _goblin | Jan 30 11:12 |
| _goblin | yep, thats what I was refering to (Eruaran's case) | Jan 30 11:13 |
| oiaohm | And that is not a short process. | Jan 30 11:13 |
| *Eruaran chooses to be free. | Jan 30 11:13 | |
| _goblin | if he is not signed to a label what protection does he have? | Jan 30 11:13 |
| _goblin | and what would he do if his work was used without permission? | Jan 30 11:13 |
| _goblin | and millions made from it. | Jan 30 11:13 |
| oiaohm | Just the same as breachign any other open source licence _goblin | Jan 30 11:13 |
| oiaohm | Its the laws of copyright. | Jan 30 11:14 |
| _goblin | yep.....and thats the point I was making from the beginning.... | Jan 30 11:14 |
| _goblin | the actions then of Euranan would be very similar to what the labels do now to filesharers. | Jan 30 11:14 |
| oiaohm | Eruaran could choose to basically BSD licence the music. | Jan 30 11:14 |
| _goblin | and the "free" ethos goes out of the window. | Jan 30 11:14 |
| Eruaran | I'm going to put a statement on the website that explicitly states that you have permission to do what you like with the music without permission. | Jan 30 11:15 |
| oiaohm | As long as attribitation is giving of course like BSD Eruaran | Jan 30 11:15 |
| Eruaran | Independence and freedom are paramount. | Jan 30 11:16 |
| _goblin | and the other point of this would be....if Eruaran released his work for free under BSD (which is admirable) what would he do if that was breached and would he be happy with others making millions from his hard work.... | Jan 30 11:16 |
| Eruaran | Being too precious about your own material can make you a slave to that as well. | Jan 30 11:16 |
| oiaohm | Yep you and BSD coders would get along very well Eruaran | Jan 30 11:16 |
| Eruaran | You need to be free to move on unencumbered by even your own past works. | Jan 30 11:17 |
| _goblin | although in respect of coders, the creative element (IMO) is not the same as a musician. | Jan 30 11:17 |
| oiaohm | Lot of us more follow share and share a like. ie more GPL licences. Eruaran | Jan 30 11:17 |
| oiaohm | _goblin: Depends on the program. | Jan 30 11:17 |
| _goblin | that it true...although I think the ability to publically display your artistic skills is better exampled in the music world rather than the software one....in terms of software most users won't care how and why something works, just as long as it does. | Jan 30 11:19 |
| _goblin | look at Elite as an example...... | Jan 30 11:19 |
| Eruaran | Pursuing anyone over a perceived wrong is just as draining and creatively damaging as clinging to concepts of intellectual property ownership. | Jan 30 11:19 |
| _goblin | a masterpiece of coding fit into 32k that would have been lost on about 90% of those people who played it. | Jan 30 11:19 |
| _goblin | then look at.....Always with me always with you by Joe Satriani | Jan 30 11:20 |
| _goblin | probably the most difficult solo Ive ever tried to play. | Jan 30 11:21 |
| _goblin | and creatively a beautiful piece. | Jan 30 11:21 |
| oiaohm | Art is in the eye of the beholder. | Jan 30 11:22 |
| oiaohm | Some of the self generating ascii art picture programs out there are nice. | Jan 30 11:22 |
| oiaohm | Yes a program that prints out it source code in a form of a ascii art picture. | Jan 30 11:23 |
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| _goblin | By the way, whilst talking about music, my guitar of choice (if I can't use my les Paul) would be: http://en.woodbrass.com/images/woodbrass/B.C.RICH+WARLOCK+TETE+WIDOW.JPG I have three BC rich's which I love and cherish like children. | Jan 30 11:26 |
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| DaemonFC | "House Republican leaders had tried to score political points by inviting Obama to their lair. Problem was, he showed up." | Jan 30 11:34 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jan 30 11:34 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/01/30/2010-01-30_baltimore_chop_for_gop_president_slams_obstructionist_republicans_on_their_home_.html | Jan 30 11:35 |
| oiaohm | Boy they don't do there home work. | Jan 30 11:35 |
| oiaohm | Its not like Obama to turn down a invite. | Jan 30 11:35 |
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| schestowitz | Oh no | Jan 30 12:51 |
| schestowitz | How long has the site been down for? | Jan 30 12:52 |
| schestowitz | tessier: are you there? | Jan 30 12:53 |
| oiaohm | under 2 hours schestowitz | Jan 30 12:54 |
| amarsh04 | I accessed it earlier... | Jan 30 12:54 |
| oiaohm | I accessed the site about 2 hours ago. | Jan 30 12:54 |
| schestowitz | Ah, OK | Jan 30 12:54 |
| amarsh04 | I accessed it about 3 hours ago | Jan 30 12:55 |
| schestowitz | Well, I don't know if the proxy crashed again | Jan 30 12:55 |
| schestowitz | And I reckon tessier is asleep | Jan 30 12:55 |
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| schestowitz | Hey! | Jan 30 12:55 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jan 30 12:55 |
| schestowitz | Thanks | Jan 30 12:55 |
| tessier_ | Hi! | Jan 30 12:55 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jan 30 12:55 |
| schestowitz | Servers been down for over 15 minutes | Jan 30 12:55 |
| schestowitz | I don't know how long for. | Jan 30 12:55 |
| schestowitz | Just woke up... | Jan 30 12:56 |
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| DaemonFC | Best Bribe owns Napster now? | Jan 30 13:09 |
| DaemonFC | wonder who it gets sold to next | Jan 30 13:09 |
| tessier_ | Weird. I need a few minutes to stop by the datacenter. It'll be back up shortly... | Jan 30 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Wouldn't it be cheaper to just start their own brand for their music store than pay millions of dollars for a Napster logo that nobody cares about anymore? | Jan 30 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | or is my line of thinking, once again, too sane to be legal? | Jan 30 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | 8-) | Jan 30 13:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Saturday morning, Sam not feeling well, what can that mean.. Toy Story DVD (yet again) of course! #fb | Jan 30 13:11 | |
| schestowitz | tessier_: thanjs | Jan 30 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | I can just picture a Best Buy boardroom meeting, Dilbert-style, where they discuss how profitable taking over the scattered wreckage of "that thing you used 10 years ago to find 128k MP3's one at a time, for free" only now they're $1 each and some of them may not work on your portable | Jan 30 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | oh yays! If I subscribe by the year I can even get 60 MP3 credits, they're using MP3s like pogs now | Jan 30 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | does that mean that it's over and we won? :) | Jan 30 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | the only good thing left to say about MP3 is that id3 tags are too limited for them to pack in a bunch of information about the person that bought them | Jan 30 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | Apple packs in over 300 kilobytes worth of "tagging" to uniquely identify the customer and their ip address, and the date they bought it | Jan 30 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | then it may even confuse your AAC-compatible MP3 player into not playing the file | Jan 30 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 30 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | I don't trust any company enough to start buying music downloads from them, too scared that they'll poison the files somehow like Crapple | Jan 30 13:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Another smash hit from the Conservapedia Bible Project http://is.gd/7lXtM | Jan 30 13:27 | |
| schestowitz | Weird. | Jan 30 13:29 |
| schestowitz | Some guy thought I was with ZDNet Asia......... | Jan 30 13:29 |
| schestowitz | [13:10:09] Peter Yang: Hello Roy,you are around ? | Jan 30 13:29 |
| schestowitz | [13:10:40] Roy: hey | Jan 30 13:29 |
| schestowitz | [13:10:58] Peter Yang: nice to meet you | Jan 30 13:29 |
| schestowitz | [13:11:04] Roy: Liferay? | Jan 30 13:29 |
| schestowitz | [13:11:20] Peter Yang: you are using liferay ? | Jan 30 13:29 |
| schestowitz | [13:11:39] Roy: No | Jan 30 13:29 |
| schestowitz | [13:11:50] Roy: but email me at my address | Jan 30 13:29 |
| schestowitz | [13:11:57] Peter Yang: ok | Jan 30 13:29 |
| schestowitz | [13:12:05] Peter Yang: what business you are in | Jan 30 13:29 |
| schestowitz | [13:12:21] Roy: research | Jan 30 13:29 |
| schestowitz | [13:12:55] Peter Yang: you are with zdnetasia ? | Jan 30 13:29 |
| schestowitz | Site is back :-) | Jan 30 13:40 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Conservapedia is more amusing than Uncyclopedia and Encyclopedia Dramatica combined | Jan 30 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | it's the "hard candy", self-satirical and unaware of it | Jan 30 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | "They need a Conservative interpretation of the OLD TESTAMENT!?!?!?" | Jan 30 13:43 |
| DaemonFC | yeah... | Jan 30 13:43 |
| DaemonFC | throwing flaming meteors down from the sky to wipe out two villages with gay people in them | Jan 30 13:44 |
| DaemonFC | does it get any more conservative than that? | Jan 30 13:44 |
| DaemonFC | I sure hope not | Jan 30 13:44 |
| DaemonFC | God psyching Abraham out in a dare to kill his own son because God demanded it | Jan 30 13:45 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJWNof0e2TM&feature=related | Jan 30 13:45 |
| DaemonFC | God: "Hahahaha! I totally had you there!!!" | Jan 30 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Seriously, DaemonFC, watch it | Jan 30 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | "self-sufficient countries like the United States and the United Kingdom" | Jan 30 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | you can tell this was made 30 years ago | Jan 30 13:48 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jan 30 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Now they depend heavily on loans] | Jan 30 13:48 |
| DaemonFC | 30 years from now, we might be living in villages like that :P | Jan 30 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Na.... | Jan 30 13:48 |
| DaemonFC | the priest and the money lender can read and write, what could possibly go wrong here? | Jan 30 13:49 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 30 13:49 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: You remember the Stargate movie, where Ra outlawed reading and writing to prevent another rebellion? | Jan 30 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | kind of reminds me of these poor Central American villages where nobody can read or write except the government officials and the priests | Jan 30 13:51 |
| DaemonFC | you just know that they're loving the illiteracy rate in their countries | Jan 30 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | the fewer ways the peasants have to absorb, form, and express ideas, the easier it is for the rich to keep milking them | Jan 30 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | they don't know they're being fucked over, to them the entire world is working for 30 cents a day | Jan 30 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Easier is not "more moral" | Jan 30 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | cause that's what the people in charge tell them | Jan 30 13:54 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Of course it's not. Western governments tend to do the next best thing though. | Jan 30 13:54 |
| DaemonFC | Teaching you to read and write so that you can spend your life being distracted by them | Jan 30 13:55 |
| DaemonFC | being presented with things that don't matter to take up your attention | Jan 30 13:55 |
| DaemonFC | your literacy is a good thing when it serves them, and a bad thing if you ever became consciously aware of your situation | Jan 30 13:56 |
| schestowitz | You're not addressing the real point | Jan 30 13:58 |
| DaemonFC | of course it's not ethical | Jan 30 14:04 |
| DaemonFC | why care about that? it's not going to change | Jan 30 14:04 |
| schestowitz | So what are you gonna do about it? | Jan 30 14:04 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not doing it | Jan 30 14:04 |
| schestowitz | OK | Jan 30 14:04 |
| tessier_ | Been back up for half an hour. Looks like it was down for maybe an hour and a half. | Jan 30 14:09 |
| tessier_ | A machine spontaneously rebooted. I need to get some more hardware in there. | Jan 30 14:10 |
| schestowitz | Ahhh :-) | Jan 30 14:14 |
| schestowitz | I could still be on it via ssh | Jan 30 14:14 |
| schestowitz | Maybe another machine... | Jan 30 14:14 |
| schestowitz | No worries, it's no long duration and it's not a business site, either | Jan 30 14:15 |
| schestowitz | Thanks a lot!! | Jan 30 14:15 |
| tessier_ | You're welcome | Jan 30 14:19 |
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| phIRCe-BNc | Hello World! | Jan 30 14:41 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] How to deal with IE6 users http://danielrw.tumblr.com/post/266672251/hilarious-ie6-splash-screens | Jan 30 15:00 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Copiar y pegar | Hilarious IE6 splash screens .::. Size~: 8.23 KB | Jan 30 15:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Recording issues. Maybe we can finish today, maybe not. | Jan 30 15:05 | |
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| DaemonFC | not really funny, just brutish and offensive | Jan 30 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | it takes talent to mix those | Jan 30 15:18 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Microsoft phases out support for Netscape 4, so there http://newstechnica.com/?p=1399 | Jan 30 15:28 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft phases out support for Netscape 4, so there | NewsTechnica .::. Size~: 38.48 KB | Jan 30 15:28 |
| cubezzz | did it ever support Netscape? | Jan 30 15:29 |
| cubezzz | that sounds wrong | Jan 30 15:29 |
| cubezzz | wow, -18.7C today | Jan 30 15:29 |
| cubezzz | oh, it's satire | Jan 30 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20100129/ENT02/301299989/1162 | Jan 30 15:32 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Oh_ Canada_ Angst fuels rockers__146_ lyrics | The Journal Gazette, Fort Wayne, Ind. .::. Size~: 34.6 KB | Jan 30 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | "Still, despite the commercial upside, Three Days Grace comes by its dark material honestly. Gontier and bassist Brad Walst both grew up in Norwood, a tiny one-light town two hours outside of Toronto that the pair have frequently described in terms similar to Twin Peaks. One of the few distinguishing characteristics of the town of 1,500 was an unusually high murder and suicide rate. " | Jan 30 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jan 30 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | One-X is a good album though, I have the DVD-A from Japan :) | Jan 30 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | http://popup.lala.com/popup/504684646424669107 | Jan 30 15:39 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Lala Song Player - Animal I Have Become by Three Days Grace .::. Size~: 23.01 KB | Jan 30 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | that's a good one for the DVD-A | Jan 30 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | hmm, Lala is raising prices now that Crapple owns them | Jan 30 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 30 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | now they want $1.29 per MP3 up from 89 cents | Jan 30 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | http://popup.lala.com/popup/504684659247306626 | Jan 30 15:44 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Lala Song Player - Chop Suey! (Album Version) by System Of A Down .::. Size~: 23.04 KB | Jan 30 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | http://popup.lala.com/popup/360569458055928440 | Jan 30 15:48 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Lala Song Player - Ode To My Car by Adam Sandler .::. Size~: 23.04 KB | Jan 30 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | got this one memorized | Jan 30 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | the no rear view mirror bit , easily fixed with gorilla glue | Jan 30 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | http://forum.zomgstuff.net/showthread.php?t=21264 | Jan 30 16:02 |
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| DaemonFC | hehe | Jan 30 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | that's so awesome | Jan 30 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | so very awesome | Jan 30 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | "You won't find me in your child's play set cause I'm legally required to wear an ankle bracelet" | Jan 30 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | now that's representin' if I do say so myself | Jan 30 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY39fkmqKBM | Jan 30 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QkR7y3auzE&feature=related | Jan 30 16:16 |
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| DaemonFC | that's painful to listen to | Jan 30 16:24 |
| schestowitz | Why do you stream? | Jan 30 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | every once in a while he gets something close enough to suggest what he's trying to play | Jan 30 16:26 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] kung-fu panda :D | Jan 30 16:47 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] On #Novell , #Ubuntu , #Microsoft and #Mono http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/30/circles-of-mono-interest/ | Jan 30 16:48 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://forum.zomgstuff.net/showthread.php?p=207366#post207366 | Jan 30 16:48 |
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| DaemonFC | NOT what you think | Jan 30 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | I decided I should reply though | Jan 30 16:48 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] German Federal Office of Justice: #SCO Breaches Regulations in #Germany http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/30/sco-crime/ | Jan 30 16:49 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: German Federal Office of Justice: SCO Breaches Regulations in Germany | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 104.24 KB | Jan 30 16:49 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] [pic] preparing for a full night wakeup :P http://twitpic.com/10iez8 btw: The white color drink is nimbooz not booze :D | Jan 30 16:52 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/See-Dick-Burn-Hot-Sauce/dp/B0000DG4MX/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=grocery&qid=1264870038&sr=1-7 | Jan 30 16:52 |
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| DaemonFC | Product Description See dick. See dick burn. Burn dick, burn. | Jan 30 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | I'll pass | Jan 30 16:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Business Keeps Declining and Microsoft is Lying, As Usual http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/30/hypnosis-for-financial-deception/ | Jan 30 16:56 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft Business Keeps Declining and Microsoft is Lying About It, As Usual | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 109.13 KB | Jan 30 16:56 |
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| MikeyC | Roy | Jan 30 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/ | Jan 30 17:04 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @rrh: http://2tu.us/1ibw Danish gov ditch Microsoft and take ODF #linux #opensource #gnu | Jan 30 17:07 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Danes ditch Microsoft, take ODF road - at last • The Register .::. Size~: 28.03 KB | Jan 30 17:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: yep, familiar with that | Jan 30 17:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: try http://whythefuckdoyouhavekids.com | Jan 30 17:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | hm | Jan 30 17:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | no, wrong domain. nm, i'll try to find it | Jan 30 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Jan 30 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | http://s0.ilike.com/play#Apocalyptica:I%27m+Not+Jesus:44862492:s1215703.8079842.10671696.0.1.66%2Cstd_c9dfec3c0923c37e2f93f48a8a8e4d4d | Jan 30 17:10 |
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| DaemonFC | nice attack on the Catholic church | Jan 30 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | I approve | Jan 30 17:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: http://whythefuckdoyouhaveakid.com | Jan 30 17:11 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Why not, right? .::. Size~: 22.84 KB | Jan 30 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.lala.com/#song/504684637834754890 | Jan 30 17:12 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Lala - Where music plays .::. Size~: 36.43 KB | Jan 30 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, lala has the single for sale | Jan 30 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | I already have the CD though :) | Jan 30 17:12 |
| Eruaran | ‘Let’s see if they still want to run the business in two or three years.’ - Bill Gates, on Sergey Brin and Larry Page, 2003 | Jan 30 17:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | transparently designed to spook investors. | Jan 30 17:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | keep it classy, Bill | Jan 30 17:14 |
| Eruaran | ‘There is no doubt.’ - Gen. Tommy Franks on the presence of WMD in Iraq, March 22, 2003 | Jan 30 17:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | man, I'm even old enough to remember when that happened. | Jan 30 17:16 |
| Eruaran | ‘Barack Obama is not going to beat Hillary Clinton’ - William Kristol, Dec. 17, 2006 | Jan 30 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | http://popup.lala.com/popup/432627086508646895 | Jan 30 17:17 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Lala Song Player - I.R.S. by Guns N' Roses .::. Size~: 22.98 KB | Jan 30 17:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, Kristol is wrong about everything. | Jan 30 17:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's traditional. | Jan 30 17:17 |
| Eruaran | ‘Bear Stearns is fine.’ - Jim Cramer, March 11, 2008 | Jan 30 17:18 |
| Eruaran | ;) | Jan 30 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Hey, MikeyC | Jan 30 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Im', going to Midland now | Jan 30 17:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | Bernanke also made similar false calls. | Jan 30 17:18 |
| schestowitz | *I'm | Jan 30 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: They're hoping it's a self-fulfilling prophecy | Jan 30 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | speaking it into existence, magical thinking | Jan 30 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | that sort of thing | Jan 30 17:19 |
| Eruaran | ‘We will…be greeted as liberators.’ - Dick Cheney, March 16, 2003 | Jan 30 17:19 |
| schestowitz | MikeyC: are you there? [urgent] | Jan 30 17:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | well some did, maybe. the rest were planning the shock and bailouts | Jan 30 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | Eruaran: The only thing anyone got liberated of was the money to pay for that | Jan 30 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 30 17:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: yep. straight into private hands. | Jan 30 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | Bush lowered taxes on the very richest people and covered the spending by borrowing the money from China at around 6% APR | Jan 30 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | Bush was the biggest tax and spend politician in history, he just put it all on the credit card | Jan 30 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | made it look like we didn't have to pay for any of it, for a while | Jan 30 17:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | the cash moved into private hands, and the masses get to pay it off. | Jan 30 17:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | same with bailouts | Jan 30 17:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | all the same scam | Jan 30 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: Our national credit rating went down you know | Jan 30 17:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | no shit | Jan 30 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | the money that they're borrowing now is 8% interest | Jan 30 17:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it doesn't matter, the cheques were long ago cashed. | Jan 30 17:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you just get busy paying it off | Jan 30 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not paying for any of that | Jan 30 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | about the only taxes I pay are when I fill up my gas tank or go out for fast food or something | Jan 30 17:24 |
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| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: so who's going to repay the loans? :) | Jan 30 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | I try to buy anything and everything possible from a website out of state | Jan 30 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | then I don't pay the sales tax | Jan 30 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 30 17:24 |
| schestowitz | MikeyC: I'm going to the Midland | Jan 30 17:24 |
| schestowitz | back here later | Jan 30 17:25 |
| Eruaran | argh | Jan 30 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | deny the state a few hundred dollars a year they would otherwise seize from me during my normal course of shopping | Jan 30 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | 8-) | Jan 30 17:25 |
| Eruaran | The Archos 9 runs Win7 Crippled | Jan 30 17:25 |
| Eruaran | What are they thinking | Jan 30 17:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/gbell/craytalk/sld083.htm | Jan 30 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | that they could slap a Windows sticker on it and people would think they were getting the real thing, Eruaran | Jan 30 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | same with netbooks | Jan 30 17:27 |
| Eruaran | FurnaceBoy: hah | Jan 30 17:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: It was basically correct, though. :) | Jan 30 17:28 |
| Eruaran | A customer brought in a Samsung Win7Crippled failbook today | Jan 30 17:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Seymour Cray, asked what #CAD tools he used for the #Cray 1: "#3 pencils with quadrille pads." | Jan 30 17:29 | |
| Eruaran | Problem: BSoD | Jan 30 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | http://gizmodo.com/5126743/how-sandisks-slotradio-turned-a-good-idea-into-a-horrible-product | Jan 30 17:32 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: How SanDisk's slotRadio Turned a Good Idea Into a Horrible Product - Sandisk - Gizmodo .::. Size~: 72.36 KB | Jan 30 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | Sandisk makes good players, but this is definitely a flop | Jan 30 17:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Poor Beyonce. Her songs will in our house always be associated with Alvin and The Chipmunks 2: The Squeakquel. | Jan 30 17:34 | |
| DaemonFC | uggggh | Jan 30 17:36 |
| Eruaran | I thought Archos said they were moving to Android | Jan 30 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | they really should | Jan 30 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | Android makes much better sense than Windows on that type of device | Jan 30 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | there's nothing you're going to ever do on a tablet that needs Windows | Jan 30 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | except maybe get some malware | Jan 30 17:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Loving these tracks, e.g. Snow Jewel http://www.myspace.com/inchtime #music by @inchtime | Jan 30 17:44 | |
| Eruaran | They were showing off demo's of Android late last year | Jan 30 17:46 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] !rhythmbox has a "next" button popping up in notification area, i need a "previous" button too :( | Jan 30 17:47 | |
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| DaemonFC | heh | Jan 30 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | thanks to Google, I'm able to navigate my way around a Russian website :D | Jan 30 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | thanks Google! | Jan 30 18:01 |
| MinceR | ceiling google is watching you navigate | Jan 30 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: It's watching ifolder.ru make me watch mail order Russian bride ads while waiting on my FLACs | Jan 30 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 30 18:09 |
| Eruaran | A Dell 'technician' came to one of our stores for virus & spyware removeal. | Jan 30 18:21 |
| Eruaran | *removal | Jan 30 18:23 |
| amarsh04 | posted in #radeon: "I guess we need a #tinfoilhat channel" | Jan 30 18:25 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Doing WineOnWindows regression testing. Also compiling X11 from source just to see if it's possible. Bored and a bit ill, yes. | Jan 30 18:36 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] OMG! The new iPay or iConsume tablet from #crApple lacks very basic stuff such as Multitasking??!! #iPad | Jan 30 18:52 | |
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| Omar87 | Hi all | Jan 30 18:54 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin: Hey! :D | Jan 30 18:54 |
| _Goblin | hi | Jan 30 18:55 |
| Omar87 | How's it going? :D | Jan 30 18:55 |
| _Goblin | not bad, looking forward to the Royal Rumble? | Jan 30 18:55 |
| Omar87 | Yeah! That's what I wanted to ask you about. :) | Jan 30 18:56 |
| _Goblin | you able to get it over there? | Jan 30 18:56 |
| Omar87 | Does it hit the torrents? | Jan 30 18:56 |
| _Goblin | I'll log back in a second and ill PM you. | Jan 30 18:56 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Hi Roy, Goblin, all. Nice article Roy: Microsoft Business Keeps Declining and Microsoft is Lying About It, As Usual | Jan 30 19:03 |
| _goblin | Hi! | Jan 30 19:04 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | I don't see any way for MS to hide the decline of revenue in the next couple of quarters, without cost cutting. And cost cutting means layoffs. But MS has now painted itself into a corner, with the 60% increase bogus figure. It cannot use the name layoff, with best quarter ever, with most sold OS ever. | Jan 30 19:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Listening to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGPDMY3MGkw&feature=related and looking forward to the Sheamus V Orton match at RR2010 #wwe | Jan 30 19:08 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Therefore, MS needs a new name for layoffs, it has to be called something else. | Jan 30 19:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Just like other failed MS products, MSN search became Windows Live, which became Bing. A name is everything. Vi$ta becomes Mohave becomes Seven. | Jan 30 19:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Goblin> just reading your latest blog at openbytes | Jan 30 19:11 |
| _goblin | :) | Jan 30 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | The "you don't have to go home but you can't stay here" initiative | Jan 30 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | they're taking the initiative | Jan 30 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 30 19:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Ah....the memories of better days.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNpz2aebGBM #cactusjack | Jan 30 19:13 | |
| DaemonFC | I was pissed, I found out one of my older CDs isn't even a CD, it had Mackerel Vision all over it | Jan 30 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | I had to rip it at 1x just to get the drive to not glitch while reading it | Jan 30 19:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> MacroVision is for Video, used mostly on VHS tapes | Jan 30 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Jan 30 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | Mackerel Vision had a CD DRMing system too | Jan 30 19:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | maybe used on dvd as well | Jan 30 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | it's pathetic | Jan 30 19:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | really? | Jan 30 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, called Cactus Data Shield | Jan 30 19:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | do you know you used to be able to buy a filter to get rid of macrovision? | Jan 30 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | simulates a lot of bad sectors on the disc that only show up at speeds you would rip it | Jan 30 19:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | w00t | Jan 30 19:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | like the old floppy protection systems | Jan 30 19:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, not speed based, but tricks like this | Jan 30 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | pretty much | Jan 30 19:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | macrovision is mostly an analog protection DRM scheme | Jan 30 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | turn your drive down to 1x and enable error correction | Jan 30 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | and you'll get everything off it intact | Jan 30 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | Mackerel Vision has never had a good DRM scheme | Jan 30 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | I don't even think they were in on the Blu Ray DRM poisoning deals | Jan 30 19:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I believe the filters that were sold to remove macrovision in video in the US, are now illegal to sell, but I am not a lawyer | Jan 30 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | analog DRM can only go so far as to be annoying, there's nothing they can do to analog media that DRM's them seriously without rendering the disc or tape unplayable | Jan 30 19:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | of course, it legal to make your own, maybe | Jan 30 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | the best analog DRM is a damned nuisance | Jan 30 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 30 19:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and I might have one somewhere around here, haha | Jan 30 19:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they work well DaemonFC | Jan 30 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy: It's not hard, the tape sent some video data out that would drive the auto gain control in the 2nd VCR crazy but wouldn't show up on your TV screen | Jan 30 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | the filters just removed the Mackerel Vision noise | Jan 30 19:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | correct, overload the automatic gain control of the vcr | Jan 30 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | or you could just use a VCR from before gain control was mandatory by law | Jan 30 19:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | hehe | Jan 30 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | I still have a few VCRs like that | Jan 30 19:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's just an arms race | Jan 30 19:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the other trick was to have a really old VCR that did not have automatic gain control | Jan 30 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | that's what I just said :) | Jan 30 19:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Jan 30 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | it's why I held onto my old VCRs | Jan 30 19:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but you write faster than I | Jan 30 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | you have cable boxes spitting out Mackerel Vision noise on "premium channels" | Jan 30 19:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | and nobody writes faster than the spanish inquisition! | Jan 30 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | you can still record your pr0n.......uhhhm.....movies on VHS | Jan 30 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | 8-) | Jan 30 19:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The filter is very good | Jan 30 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the filter is the way to go if you have a DVD recorder | Jan 30 19:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | if you still into backing up your vhs tapes | Jan 30 19:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | with a tv card | Jan 30 19:23 |
| Omar87 | Greetings all. | Jan 30 19:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but you need the VHS player with a rca video output | Jan 30 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | which is all of them, or almost | Jan 30 19:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | think its called composite output | Jan 30 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Jan 30 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | composite gives better picture anyway | Jan 30 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | not that you'll notice that on VHS :) | Jan 30 19:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | By the way, I believe the maffia got not only the selling of the filters illegal, but the manufacturing or selling of VHS without the automatic gain control illegal as well | Jan 30 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | they sell combo VHS-Blu Ray oddly enough | Jan 30 19:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | VHS is still more to my liking than Blueray | Jan 30 19:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Only use I would ever have for Blueray is the larger meda for backing up a computer OS | Jan 30 19:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not as a movie format | Jan 30 19:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But I only keep the old VCR around for a few tapes not availble on DVD | Jan 30 19:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Fairview Mall is dangerous, it has the most incredible chocolate shop... | Jan 30 19:29 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Well, maybe its time to post a comment on Openbytes, sorry Goblin | Jan 30 19:31 |
| _goblin | Sorry? no need to be sorry! | Jan 30 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | http://popup.lala.com/popup/432627065034143766 | Jan 30 19:40 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Lala Song Player - She Hates Me (Album Version (Explicit)) by Puddle Of Mudd .::. Size~: 23.09 KB | Jan 30 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 30 19:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Goblin, I hope my comment will not offend Ubuntu users | Jan 30 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | what comment? | Jan 30 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | people can live in houses with 47 cats, why can't they tolerate Ubuntu? | Jan 30 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 30 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | now there's an insult for you | Jan 30 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | now go while I've stolen your thunder | Jan 30 19:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> comment at Openbytes | Jan 30 19:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I probably should have also said I don't like sudo much | Jan 30 19:52 |
| *schestowitz listens to http://www.tllts.org/audio/tllts_338-01-27-10.ogg | Jan 30 19:58 | |
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| schestowitz | [18:25] <amarsh04> posted in #radeon: "I guess we need a #tinfoilhat channel" | Jan 30 19:58 |
| schestowitz | What's the context? | Jan 30 19:58 |
| schestowitz | [19:09] <Chips_B_Malroy> Therefore, MS needs a new name for layoffs, it has to be called something else. | Jan 30 19:59 |
| schestowitz | "reorg" is common when managers leave or units die off | Jan 30 19:59 |
| schestowitz | For layoffs one euphemism is the offshoring of people | Jan 30 20:00 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @mstevens Installed gnewsense and immediately found a bug: my wifi works and it shouldn't | Jan 30 20:04 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, layoffs are coming to MS, in one form or another. The data from this quarter only comfirms it. | Jan 30 20:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But having lied about he quarter, with "best ever" PR, they cannot call it a layoff | Jan 30 20:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *the | Jan 30 20:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ballmer gets to keep his Job for another 3 months, is what this means. | Jan 30 20:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @bletchleypark Does anyone know of anyone who could donate Adobe Indesign or equivalent to #BPark Trust? #turing // Why not #Adobe ? | Jan 30 20:19 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Suspect I am ill again. This sucks. (whinge manflu whinge) | Jan 30 20:19 | |
| amarsh04 | schestowitz, it's a reference to people who don't understand how huge graphics drivers have become in code size, and didn't realise that ati rewrote their proprietary opengl code, causing dirty hacks to break | Jan 30 20:22 |
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| amarsh04 | bridgeman is guessing about 17 million lines of code in the latest windows ati drivers | Jan 30 20:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | ..! | Jan 30 20:24 |
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| amarsh04 | bridgman even | Jan 30 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | my mom said the terminal systems that her employer bought have been crashing right and left | Jan 30 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Maybe she had them listen to you....... prescribing WIndows | Jan 30 20:32 |
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| MikeyC | really roy... | Jan 30 20:40 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: so many LOCs for antifeatures like Vista and Vista7 DRM | Jan 30 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Hey, MikeyC | Jan 30 20:40 |
| MikeyC | you in your pit for the night? | Jan 30 20:41 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/01/30/ipad-v-a-rock/ | Jan 30 20:45 |
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| DaemonFC | you should enjoy this | Jan 30 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I can't help but to see the iPad's "bookshelf" and not think of Microsoft Bob | Jan 30 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.pinoytutorial.com/techtorial/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/AppleiPadSpecificationsSpecsandReview_C288/iBooks.jpg | Jan 30 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | MikeyC: yes, why? | Jan 30 20:53 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I saw that | Jan 30 20:54 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Bing Bus could also be MS picking up "partners", fucking them over & kicking them out after they've had their fun. Life imitates art lol | Jan 30 20:56 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Finished left out pages of "5 point some 1" , started reading "3 mistakes of my life" ;-) | Jan 30 21:02 | |
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| amarsh04 | at least a good fraction of the lines of code, schestowitz | Jan 30 21:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ODF is Winning in #Europe ; ‘ #Microsoft Press’ Spreads ODF FUD as #OpenOffice .org Passes to #Oracle http://ur1.ca/l3r4 | Jan 30 21:05 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: ODF is Winning in Europe; Microsoft Press Spreads ODF FUD as OpenOffice.org Passes to Oracle | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 130.17 KB | Jan 30 21:05 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: who pays for the coding? MAFIAA? MSFT? | Jan 30 21:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @thistleweb that's not far off. http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/01/27/microsoft_offered_ladies/ | Jan 30 21:07 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft 'offered sex and drugs to distributors' • Channel Register .::. Size~: 17.84 KB | Jan 30 21:07 |
| amarsh04 | I suppose if the driver has to be whql qualified, it has to implement digital restrictions management, so ati pays and charges its customers | Jan 30 21:08 |
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| schestowitz | WOW! | Jan 30 21:09 |
| schestowitz | This is some nice computer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm6EwoQcvsY | Jan 30 21:10 |
| schestowitz | New video. | Jan 30 21:10 |
| schestowitz | "Startvorgang einer "BECO PC Workstation", PC-XT kompatibler Rechner mit 8MHz Siemens SAB 8088 CPU und 5.25" 360KB Floppy. Auf der Floppy ist ein DOS 3.3 und Novell Netzwerktreiber. Der Login schläg... " | Jan 30 21:10 |
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| oiaohm | I really find it sad ipad 499 USD the parts in it is only about 250 USD. Yet some stupid people think Linux makers will not be able to compete at that price range. | Jan 30 21:19 |
| schestowitz | They needn't | Jan 30 21:23 |
| schestowitz | They would not imitate suck a stone | Jan 30 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Linux can offer DRM-free device with wi-fi, camera, keyboard, etc. | Jan 30 21:23 |
| oiaohm | There will be Android touch pads. | Jan 30 21:23 |
| oiaohm | Problem is I see that they will be cheeper than the ipad | Jan 30 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Ted from Novell uses a hypephone.. http://reverendted.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/iphone-apps-for-field-science/ | Jan 30 21:24 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: trouble _to apple_ | Jan 30 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Android already harms iphone sales | Jan 30 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Apple fan sites like Roighly Drafted FUD Android | Jan 30 21:25 |
| oiaohm | iphone/ipad same OS same Linux competition. | Jan 30 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Same with ACCESS and other LIMO chumps | Jan 30 21:25 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, but Linux has more support for hw/ | Jan 30 21:26 |
| oiaohm | Yes exactly the problem Apple has. | Jan 30 21:26 |
| oiaohm | Linux system builder will be able to use mass produced generic parts. | Jan 30 21:26 |
| oiaohm | Price of parts is volume produced releated. | Jan 30 21:27 |
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| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: ola! | Jan 30 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Hehe: http://kevinsword.com/2010/01/woo-hoo/ | Jan 30 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | What a dumbass | Jan 30 21:57 |
| schestowitz | From Planet SUSE | Jan 30 21:57 |
| schestowitz | He's like 15, not understanding the issues... | Jan 30 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Maybe too much Murdoch 'press'..... | Jan 30 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Hi, jweyrich | Jan 30 21:58 |
| jweyrich | Ola schestowitz | Jan 30 21:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Can someone explain why typing /95<enter> causes X to lock up on Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid)? Reproducable. | Jan 30 21:59 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] For background, I type /95<enter> to switch to the 95th window in my irc client. but i can do it in a terminal too, same effect | Jan 30 21:59 | |
| amarsh04 | don't write off people because of being young... if you show them at a young enough age how things used to be done, they understand that anything that was built at some stage in the past didn't exist | Jan 30 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | http://vavai.net/2010/01/21/bill-gatess-new-site-the-gates-notes/ | Jan 30 22:04 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 30 22:04 |
| schestowitz | I wonder, what is this information doing here on a website belonging to Planet SUSE? | Jan 30 22:04 |
| schestowitz | This will be another PR tool for Bill Gates to wash himself from all his lies and dirty tricks made while he was working for Microsoft (unfortunatelly all the lies and dirty tricks are carried forward by his not so intelligent yet foxy Stevie B.) | Jan 30 22:04 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 30 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Exactly. | Jan 30 22:04 |
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| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halt_and_Catch_Fire I wonder if the Ipad has this << schestowitz | Jan 30 22:05 |
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| amarsh04 | I remember those machine instructions, they included Get Right Answer Regardless | Jan 30 22:06 |
| amarsh04 | and CNBC (Close But No Cigar) | Jan 30 22:06 |
| amarsh04 | CBNC even | Jan 30 22:06 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I hadn't heard of it until you mentioned it | Jan 30 22:07 |
| oiaohm | NSA class chips built in self destruct command. | Jan 30 22:07 |
| oiaohm | No really nice enter password wrong cpu in block of exposive.. Hmm you are kinda dead. | Jan 30 22:08 |
| schestowitz | any link on that? | Jan 30 22:16 |
| schestowitz | I used to think it possible that Dr David Kelly had been murdered. | Jan 30 22:20 |
| schestowitz | I have changed my mind. | Jan 30 22:20 |
| schestowitz | I now think it is very likely that Dr David Kelly was murdered. | Jan 30 22:20 |
| schestowitz | http://disruptive.org.uk/2010/01/25/david_kelly_6.html | Jan 30 22:20 |
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| schestowitz | That's a quote from the above BTW | Jan 30 22:20 |
| oiaohm | NSA self destruct command is mentioned on the wikipedia schestowitz | Jan 30 22:20 |
| oiaohm | It does not take very much creativity to combind the cpu with a block of exposive. | Jan 30 22:21 |
| schestowitz | OK, thanks | Jan 30 22:30 |
| schestowitz | jweyrich, FurnaceBoy: I urge you to watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJWNof0e2TM&feature=related | Jan 30 22:33 |
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| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: wb | Jan 30 22:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Puppy Arcade 6 – The retro pup goes from strength to strength! http://tinyurl.com/yhtosfv #emulation #linux #foss #free #emu #puppylinux | Jan 30 22:52 | |
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| sebsebseb | Hi | Jan 30 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | Jan 30 22:58 | |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: was afk. ty :) | Jan 30 22:58 |
| jweyrich | schestowitz: watching now. | Jan 30 22:58 |
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| amarsh04 | yes, freenode dropped out on me schestowitz | Jan 30 23:01 |
| sebsebseb | amarsh04: yeah it was just me and you :D | Jan 30 23:01 |
| amarsh04 | dropped off farmer, came back on calvino | Jan 30 23:03 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Next time a Microsoft advocate claims Linux is at 1% , remind them of this article: http://tinyurl.com/dhc9kl #windows #microsoft #linux | Jan 30 23:06 | |
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| jweyrich | damn services. it's irritating. | Jan 30 23:09 |
| Guest73783 | jweyrich: indeed | Jan 30 23:09 |
| jweyrich | mainly if you one a bunch of channels that require registered nicks. | Jan 30 23:10 |
| Guest73783 | well when can't just identify since... | Jan 30 23:10 |
| jweyrich | s/you one/you're/ | Jan 30 23:10 |
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| rnb | hello everyone | Jan 30 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Jan 30 23:23 |
| MikeyC | hi | Jan 30 23:23 |
| rnb | hi :) | Jan 30 23:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXs9QHdVJyI | Jan 30 23:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: boa tarde | Jan 30 23:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: o meu amigo jweyrich esta aqui | Jan 30 23:24 |
| rnb | oops, jah volto | Jan 30 23:24 |
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| rnb | brb | Jan 30 23:25 |
| jweyrich | ola! :) | Jan 30 23:25 |
| MikeyC | quie esta fukface | Jan 30 23:25 |
| MikeyC | akao | Jan 30 23:26 |
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| sebsebseb | this is better | Jan 30 23:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | if u say so! | Jan 30 23:27 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: I might my name instead of a Guest one | Jan 30 23:28 |
| sebsebseb | I meant above | Jan 30 23:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | ah. | Jan 30 23:28 |
| MikeyC | of course | Jan 30 23:28 |
| MikeyC | shazbat | Jan 30 23:34 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: do you know if the sun studio compiler is widely used by solaris developers? | Jan 30 23:34 |
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| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: good Q. my advice would be to test with both | Jan 30 23:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: i guess it's more likely for stuff with a long in-house history | Jan 30 23:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: while open source and 3rd party builds are probably mostly gcc, which is bundled | Jan 30 23:37 |
| -Martinp23-Hi folks! A few moments ago that we suffered a rather large split. This was because a minor core code update to fix default channel mode settings did not go smoothly on a subset of servers, causing them to restart. We've made procedure changes so as not to let it happen again and we deeply apologise and thank you for using freenode! If you have any problems, as ever, #freenode is open to help. | Jan 30 23:38 | |
| jweyrich | I'm afraid because sun studio doesn't support new STL versions. ith has a pretty old impl btw. | Jan 30 23:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | ah | Jan 30 23:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, gcc is pretty much easy available | Jan 30 23:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | easily* | Jan 30 23:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | as I say, it's in the standard Developer or Entire install | Jan 30 23:39 |
| jweyrich | great. | Jan 30 23:40 |
| jweyrich | thanks | Jan 30 23:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | just add /usr/sfw/bin (and perhaps /usr/ccs/bin for ranlib, strip) to your PATH and you're set | Jan 30 23:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | this is top of mind as i just rebuilt my colo server with recent Sol 10 and ZFS root | Jan 30 23:41 |
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