| oiaohm | Lots of undeveloped land. | Feb 01 00:00 |
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| oiaohm | No jobs stacks of bord problem causing peole. | Feb 01 00:00 |
| oiaohm | And where there is developed land there is still not enough jobs to go round at times. | Feb 01 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | Australia's geographic position is enviable | Feb 01 00:01 |
| oiaohm | Basically jobs if people are employed they don't have time to cause much trouble. | Feb 01 00:01 |
| oiaohm | Until you wake up at our popluations levels we are reaching our rain fall limits DaemonFC | Feb 01 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | what about desalination? | Feb 01 00:02 |
| oiaohm | Ie running out of water at times is becoming big problems. | Feb 01 00:02 |
| oiaohm | Not always an options. | Feb 01 00:02 |
| oiaohm | some of the areas running out of water are 200+ kms inland DaemonFC | Feb 01 00:03 |
| oiaohm | Our edge citys will go desalination. | Feb 01 00:03 |
| oiaohm | But that does not help us one big use all the land in the center of australia | Feb 01 00:04 |
| oiaohm | big/bit | Feb 01 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | that would be one massive engineering feat | Feb 01 00:04 |
| Omar87 | Okay, now, which one should I try next? Gentoo, Slackware, or Arch Linux? | Feb 01 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87: I'd go with Arch, but you could be insane and go Gentoo | Feb 01 00:05 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: ie most of the reason why lot of australia don't have people is lack of water. | Feb 01 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | Slackware isn't bad | Feb 01 00:05 |
| oiaohm | Arch is not too bad either. | Feb 01 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | rolling releases are nice | Feb 01 00:05 |
| Omar87 | So, why not Gentoo? | Feb 01 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87: Portage mainly | Feb 01 00:06 |
| oiaohm | Gentoo source based options very much an aquired taste. | Feb 01 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | watch what happens when you ask it to pull in a package | Feb 01 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | and it has to compile it | Feb 01 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | that'll be hours at the least | Feb 01 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | esp. on slower PCs | Feb 01 00:06 |
| oiaohm | Ie changing source code building options can create all kinds of strange never before seen problems. Omar87 | Feb 01 00:06 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm: I see. | Feb 01 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: I asked it to pull in Xchat once and it was compiling it for over a half hour | Feb 01 00:07 |
| oiaohm | Ie Gentoo is kinda advanced operators with need Omar87 | Feb 01 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu or Fedora or whatnot would have it for me in 30 seconds or less | Feb 01 00:07 |
| oiaohm | not that Gentoo is not without it place. | Feb 01 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | there's a lot of things, the vast majority of things, that don't benefit from "optimization" | Feb 01 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | there's a few bits that do | Feb 01 00:08 |
| oiaohm | I mainly use Gentoo when I am building with closed source complier pgroup | Feb 01 00:08 |
| oiaohm | Because there are kinda major performance differences. | Feb 01 00:08 |
| Omar87 | Okay then, I'm going with Arch. :) | Feb 01 00:09 |
| Omar87 | Thanks oiaohm, DaemonFC. :D | Feb 01 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | any time | Feb 01 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | Arch also lets you have a lot of control in setting things up, just what you want and not a package more | Feb 01 00:10 |
| DaemonFC | I was impressed with it on my laptop | Feb 01 00:10 |
| oiaohm | If looking at slackware don't forget to look at releation Omar87 vectorlinux | Feb 01 00:10 |
| DaemonFC | I'll probably be going back to Linux full time by May | Feb 01 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | next Fedora should probably have a lot better support for my GPU | Feb 01 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | I'm just going with whatever distro around that point that has the latest x.org and kernel | Feb 01 00:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @lilmishap Maccy Ds in uk @g3ehh aussies refer to mcdonalds as 'maccas' & americans say 'micky-d's' // rest of us just call it "crap" | Feb 01 00:13 | |
| oiaohm | That is will be fedora DaemonFC | Feb 01 00:14 |
| oiaohm | Of course is a development version so few extra bugs but nothing that bad compared to some versions of windows. | Feb 01 00:14 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm: I see. I'll check it out as well! Thanks. :-D | Feb 01 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | I'm getting a bit pissed off at ATI | Feb 01 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | it's ridiculous that they are so far behind | Feb 01 00:15 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Feb 01 00:15 |
| oiaohm | thinking in the process the complet X11 stack has been rewritten DaemonFC | Feb 01 00:15 |
| oiaohm | Not like that is painless DaemonFC | Feb 01 00:16 |
| oiaohm | when they started dri1 was the prime design DaemonFC | Feb 01 00:17 |
| oiaohm | all that is no more. | Feb 01 00:17 |
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| oiaohm | I was hoping for dri 2 conversion to be complete in 2009 | Feb 01 00:18 |
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| DaemonFC | Fedora 13 should kick some ass | Feb 01 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | too early to say for sure but it's sounding that way | Feb 01 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | the auto print driver installation is a welcome improvement | Feb 01 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | nobody needs to figure out which driver package has their printer in it | Feb 01 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: Is there some way to get a newer driver for my ATI card from Fedora 12? | Feb 01 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | would that be under testing packages maybe? | Feb 01 00:31 |
| oiaohm | Normally yes. | Feb 01 00:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ghabuntu.com/2010/01/ipad-from-apple-no-thanks.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+luqman+%28GHABUNTU%29 "It does not multitask, no Flash, full of DRM, same old iPhone OS and what can you add? I am yet to see a simple bit of innovation in the latest Apple toy. It is only a means to get more people to spend even more money on even more Apple digital products. Simple as that." | Feb 01 00:34 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The iPad from Apple? No thanks! | GHABUNTU .::. Size~: 97.08 KB | Feb 01 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: What do you bet the fanboys still rave about them as they themselves try to figure out why they spent money on it? | Feb 01 00:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: A state of trance. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/27150.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/541048.html | Feb 01 00:50 | |
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| DaemonFC | thats how fanboys of anything get | Feb 01 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | it never fucks up, even when it fucks up it doesn't fuck up, cause it's perfect | Feb 01 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | ugggh | Feb 01 00:54 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Want some WMA Lossless? :D | Feb 01 00:54 |
| DaemonFC | I can't believe I just downloaded these | Feb 01 00:54 |
| *DaemonFC goes to FLAC them | Feb 01 00:54 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: a friend of mine from the gym ridiculed the iPad today | Feb 01 01:04 |
| schestowitz | He thinks it'll destroy Apple's reputation | Feb 01 01:04 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I mostly used oggs, except 'legacy' mp3 on my collections | Feb 01 01:05 |
| schestowitz | I use ffmpeg a lot | Feb 01 01:05 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: ffmpeg doesn't understand WMA Lossless | Feb 01 01:05 |
| DaemonFC | so there would be no way to transcode these on Linux | Feb 01 01:05 |
| DaemonFC | or play them | Feb 01 01:05 |
| DaemonFC | glad I made the mistake in Window | Feb 01 01:05 |
| DaemonFC | *Windows | Feb 01 01:06 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: My Sansa understands Vorbis and FLAC, so I can use either | Feb 01 01:06 |
| DaemonFC | only consideration is the space | Feb 01 01:06 |
| DaemonFC | it's mostly not an issue with earbuds, but if I plug it into the stereo in the car, I prefer to have the FLACs with me | Feb 01 01:07 |
| DaemonFC | can't find a FLAC playing stereo deck :( | Feb 01 01:07 |
| DaemonFC | all of them play WMA and MP3 though | Feb 01 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | everything you have supporting different codecs is irritating, that's the only reason MP3 still exists | Feb 01 01:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Apple "#iPad is an attractive, thoughtfully designed, deeply cynical thing. It is a digital consumption machine" http://bit.ly/a7riFz | Feb 01 01:11 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I still have a collection of MP3s without the discs *cough* queued up to be replacedp | Feb 01 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | it's annoying | Feb 01 01:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "if I had an #iPad rather than a real computer as a kid, I’d never be a programmer today" #diveintomark http://bit.ly/a7riFz | Feb 01 01:12 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "if I had an #iPad rather than a real computer as a kid, I’d never be a programmer today" @diveintomark http://bit.ly/a7riFz | Feb 01 01:12 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Chuck Moore has a blog. http://colorforth.com/blog.htm #forth #colorforth #arrayforth #programming | Feb 01 01:20 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @Tosfm @thegreyking Where's Kanye! /held up at the bar? // apparently in a straitjacket | Feb 01 01:33 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: One thing I noticed is that q10 Ogg Vorbis usually fools Tau Analyzer into thinking it's CDDA | Feb 01 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.true-audio.com/Tau_Analyzer_-_Aucdtect_Algorithm_Details | Feb 01 01:37 |
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| schestowitz | Sorry, not been paying attention | Feb 01 01:53 |
| schestowitz | Tidying up the apartment... | Feb 01 01:53 |
| DaemonFC | they should use System Of A Down to torture people with | Feb 01 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Feb 01 01:55 |
| schestowitz | gn | Feb 01 01:57 |
| cubezzz | heh, apple ftl | Feb 01 02:16 |
| cubezzz | actually something like the ipad _could_ be good | Feb 01 02:18 |
| cubezzz | star trek had a sort of pad type device | Feb 01 02:18 |
| MinceR | something like a PDA? :> | Feb 01 02:21 |
| cubezzz | well when I say pad I mean something that replaces a pad you can write on | Feb 01 02:21 |
| cubezzz | when I look at PDA's they are too small | Feb 01 02:21 |
| MinceR | PDAs have handwriting recognition (even though it's useless) | Feb 01 02:22 |
| cubezzz | yeah | Feb 01 02:22 |
| MinceR | then there are notebooks and netbooks with touchscreens and either foldable, removable or missing keyboards | Feb 01 02:22 |
| MinceR | there's no reason to wait for crApple to come up with something useful | Feb 01 02:22 |
| cubezzz | something like what UPS uses, but bigger writable area | Feb 01 02:22 |
| MinceR | http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/ | Feb 01 02:23 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Always Innovating: Introducing the Touch Book .::. Size~: 11.62 KB | Feb 01 02:23 |
| cubezzz | are they actually shipping? | Feb 01 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: My Blackberry is much more useful than the iPad | Feb 01 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | from what I see anyway | Feb 01 02:24 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, another closed device though | Feb 01 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | the Blackberry is almost like a laptop in your pocket that also has a phone in it | Feb 01 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Feb 01 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | it's way better than most devices calling themselves "PDA"'s | Feb 01 02:25 |
| cubezzz | "Please note that due to our current backlog, new orders won't be shipped immediately. Ordering today will ensure you a better place in the queue list, but expect your order to be shipped within two months. " | Feb 01 02:25 |
| cubezzz | see, stuff like that makes me not want to order | Feb 01 02:25 |
| DaemonFC | Apple will use artificial supply shortages | Feb 01 02:25 |
| DaemonFC | make it look like there's demand for it | Feb 01 02:25 |
| MinceR | 032118 < DaemonFC> the Blackberry is almost like a laptop in your pocket that also has a phone in it | Feb 01 02:25 |
| DaemonFC | selling out, can't get it anywhere, etc. | Feb 01 02:25 |
| MinceR | lol | Feb 01 02:25 |
| DaemonFC | not new | Feb 01 02:25 |
| MinceR | almost like a laptop, except nothing like a laptop? :> | Feb 01 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | well, I mean, yeah.... | Feb 01 02:26 |
| cubezzz | everything sucks, so far | Feb 01 02:26 |
| cubezzz | except zaurus | Feb 01 02:26 |
| cubezzz | which only half-sucks | Feb 01 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't want to sit down and write War and Peace on it | Feb 01 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | but it's just fine for everything else ;) | Feb 01 02:26 |
| MinceR | even all the pda web browsers i've seen so far had reduced functionality | Feb 01 02:26 |
| cubezzz | what happened to voice recognition? | Feb 01 02:27 |
| MinceR | it sucked and failed | Feb 01 02:27 |
| cubezzz | tiger direct had some really cheap linux tablets | Feb 01 02:28 |
| cubezzz | I wonder if they still have them | Feb 01 02:29 |
| cubezzz | bah, looks like they sold them all | Feb 01 02:31 |
| jweyrich | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/27/scientology_ddos_guilty_plea <- don't try to DDoS god :) | Feb 01 02:32 |
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| cubezzz | maybe there's some ARM stuff on ebay | Feb 01 02:33 |
| MinceR | hail xenu! | Feb 01 02:33 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 01 02:33 |
| cubezzz | ummm | Feb 01 02:37 |
| cubezzz | there's a lot of weird stories | Feb 01 02:37 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: There was a professor here in Indiana that came up with a UNIX clone and named it XINU | Feb 01 02:37 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 01 02:37 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinu | Feb 01 02:37 |
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| cubezzz | yeah that and Venix will get you a job for sure :) | Feb 01 02:38 |
| DaemonFC | he has since licensed it GPL | Feb 01 02:38 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder where you can download it :) | Feb 01 02:38 |
| cubezzz | Sun-2 era? | Feb 01 02:39 |
| cubezzz | that's old | Feb 01 02:39 |
| cubezzz | sometimes old stuff can be good though | Feb 01 02:39 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, the download link for XINU 386 is dead | Feb 01 02:39 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, there's a million other things probably better than XINU | Feb 01 02:40 |
| DaemonFC | yeah. MINIX for one | Feb 01 02:40 |
| DaemonFC | I was just curious | Feb 01 02:40 |
| cubezzz | at least with Linux there's a lot of active development | Feb 01 02:41 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: nice | Feb 01 02:42 |
| MinceR | we also need Unex | Feb 01 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | well, thanks to the Stallmanization of the "free software community", everyone thinks that BSD license = evil | Feb 01 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | and that we shoudl FUD everyone that uses it | Feb 01 02:42 |
| cubezzz | BSD license is hardly ldeal | Feb 01 02:42 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: [[citation needed]] | Feb 01 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | well, even Stallman has to back off and recognize that it grants his invented "four freedoms" | Feb 01 02:43 |
| MinceR | (maybe that's what they tell you at m$?) | Feb 01 02:43 |
| cubezzz | I put out some code without any license in the old days | Feb 01 02:43 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: he already did | Feb 01 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | well, that is dangerous for the user | Feb 01 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | because you still hold copyright on it even if you didn't issue it under a license | Feb 01 02:44 |
| MinceR | http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html#SoftwareLicenses | Feb 01 02:44 |
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| DaemonFC | so the users are at your whim | Feb 01 02:44 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: and please spare us of anti-FLOSS FUD | Feb 01 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: You could sue them and still assert rights against the program | Feb 01 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | it's dangerous to use anything that doesn't come with a license | Feb 01 02:44 |
| MinceR | and what of Public Domain? | Feb 01 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | even the MS EULA is better than using something with no attached license at all, because any license will still lay out what specific terms are | Feb 01 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Unless he issued a document saying it is public domain, then it is not | Feb 01 02:46 |
| cubezzz | well at the bottom I put "All Your Base Are Belong to Me" | Feb 01 02:46 |
| DaemonFC | he has copyright on that program unless he specifically revokes it himself | Feb 01 02:46 |
| cubezzz | does that count? :) | Feb 01 02:46 |
| cubezzz | nah, everyone can copy it | Feb 01 02:47 |
| cubezzz | people need some programming examples | Feb 01 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | if you include a note with the source code declaring it to be in the public domain, then it is public domain | Feb 01 02:47 |
| MinceR | there's a great drawback to the m$ EULA: m$ being the copyright holder. | Feb 01 02:47 |
| MinceR | that's about as abusive as it can get. | Feb 01 02:47 |
| MinceR | unlike most copyright holders who would neglect providing a license. | Feb 01 02:48 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but with no license at all, the copyright holder is pretty much unlimited as to who he can sue for modifying the program or making copies of it | Feb 01 02:48 |
| cubezzz | "if you break the shrink-wrap you accept the terms of the EULA" | Feb 01 02:48 |
| cubezzz | thanks a load Microsoft :-/ | Feb 01 02:48 |
| cubezzz | or whatever bullshit it has | Feb 01 02:49 |
| MinceR | and then they graciously let you find out what you just accepted! | Feb 01 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the law says you can't take back software if the shrink wrap is broken | Feb 01 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | but you have to open it to read the license | Feb 01 02:49 |
| MinceR | ah, the universal m$ defense. "hey, it was legal!" | Feb 01 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | it's ridiculous | Feb 01 02:49 |
| cubezzz | of course | Feb 01 02:49 |
| MinceR | as if that was everything | Feb 01 02:49 |
| MinceR | not that they really care even about obeying laws or anything | Feb 01 02:50 |
| cubezzz | so you say "where's the blank computers?" | Feb 01 02:50 |
| cubezzz | and the store dudes look at you like you have two heads | Feb 01 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: I remember years ago I bought Norton Systemworks and it ruined my copy of Windows 98 | Feb 01 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | I managed to return it to Walmart | Feb 01 02:50 |
| cubezzz | did you buy it at Walmart? :) | Feb 01 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Feb 01 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana law says that under pretty much any circumstance, you can return merchandise within 3 days for any reason | Feb 01 02:51 |
| cubezzz | computer retail needs a reformation big-time | Feb 01 02:51 |
| cubezzz | yeah we have a 72-hour buyer's remorse law in Ontario | Feb 01 02:51 |
| cubezzz | not sure if it covers software though | Feb 01 02:52 |
| MinceR | redmond needs a reformation | Feb 01 02:52 |
| MinceR | it needs a big crater where m$ is now | Feb 01 02:52 |
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| cubezzz | no, neutron bomb | Feb 01 02:52 |
| cubezzz | then we could use their offices for FOSS stuff | Feb 01 02:52 |
| MinceR | not as long as they're loaded with radiation | Feb 01 02:53 |
| DaemonFC | so MinceR, is Hungary using tons of unlicensed MS software for the government, are they paying tons of money to Microsoft, or have they moved away from Microsoft totally? | Feb 01 02:53 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: probably the first two | Feb 01 02:53 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Feb 01 02:53 |
| MinceR | they're a bunch of incompetent pricks | Feb 01 02:53 |
| cubezzz | that's not good either though | Feb 01 02:53 |
| MinceR | the only thing they get right is stealing money and making laws to make our lives miserable | Feb 01 02:53 |
| cubezzz | people are truly ignorant | Feb 01 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | I remember hearing that Iran was trying to move off of unlicensed MS software and onto Linux | Feb 01 02:54 |
| MinceR | and of course they let Monkey Boy in on the 'stealing money' part | Feb 01 02:54 |
| MinceR | that only means we're far behind iran | Feb 01 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think it's brilliant to let an enemy country have access to your government computers to begin with | Feb 01 02:54 |
| MinceR | then again, probably so is Jesusland | Feb 01 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | so I wonder why they would use Windows at all | Feb 01 02:54 |
| cubezzz | there's no valid reason to use doze | Feb 01 02:55 |
| cubezzz | it's old news | Feb 01 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | well, in Iran's case, they're particularly stupid to standardize on it | Feb 01 02:55 |
| cubezzz | it's laziness | Feb 01 02:55 |
| MinceR | everyone's particularly stupid to standardize on it | Feb 01 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft probably hasn't deactivated any of Iran's PCs because the NSA and CIA are exploiting back doors | Feb 01 02:56 |
| DaemonFC | to snoop on the Iranian government | Feb 01 02:56 |
| cubezzz | Xerox? :) | Feb 01 02:56 |
| DaemonFC | re-basing the whole thing on Linux would probably stop most of that | Feb 01 02:56 |
| cubezzz | they could have won big-time | Feb 01 02:56 |
| cubezzz | just goes to show the 1st guy with an idea doesn't always win | Feb 01 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | of course not | Feb 01 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | just like an honest car dealership doesn't exist | Feb 01 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | if they can put enough chewing gum and popsicle stick fixes in it to make the sale, they will | Feb 01 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | "These are in FLAC, if you want ALAC, you can call the waaaaambulance and then get over it and convert them, I'm not going to upload them as WAV either because some people have bandwidth caps and pay by the GB. Deal with it." | Feb 01 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | how's that sound? | Feb 01 03:17 |
| MinceR | fine | Feb 01 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | 106 FLAC files 2.81 GB in that torrent | Feb 01 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | yeehaw | Feb 01 03:28 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #TSA == Pedobear http://ur1.ca/l6h0 | Feb 01 03:37 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: I'm just sick of people that get something for free just to whine that it's not in their Mac's native format | Feb 01 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | like I should do everything twice so 4% of the world can use it more easily :P | Feb 01 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | I'd also like them to tell me how I could make them ALAC files without a Mac in the first place, those are hard enough to play back on a PC | Feb 01 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 01 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | I question why Microsoft and Apple both have to have Lossless formats with an incredibly CPU intensive decoding scheme and no hardware support besides their Zune and iPod | Feb 01 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | almost nobody can play them back and those who can deplete their battery a third faster | Feb 01 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | I just don't get why anyone propagates this shit | Feb 01 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | I just don't fucking get it *bangs head on desk* | Feb 01 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | CHS rip | Feb 01 03:56 |
| DaemonFC | *VHS | Feb 01 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | wtf.... | Feb 01 03:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] The Music Industry Needs to Die - Amanda Palmer tells us why Bono is wrong. http://bit.ly/aGe0mZ | Feb 01 04:01 | |
| DaemonFC | I don't get why more bands don't just fire their record label | Feb 01 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | it's not exactly hard to sell FLACs online or burn a CD for someone who wants one | Feb 01 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | CD sales are in the gutter right now, independent record stores are dying | Feb 01 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | music is now pretty much all subject to Walmart's censorship policy | Feb 01 04:07 |
| DaemonFC | she's absolutely right that the current model just needs to die | Feb 01 04:07 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart has this really dubious "family friendly policy" in books and music where you can't say "fuck" but you can sing about gay people in unflattering epithets and they won't bleep it | Feb 01 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | they won't sell Barbara Ehrenreich or Al Franken books, but they'll stock Glenn Beck's "Arguing with Idiots" | Feb 01 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | (ironic name) | Feb 01 04:09 |
| DaemonFC | of course Walmart has a vested interest in keeping people dumbed down and far right, and they do it by controlling what people listen to and read | Feb 01 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | they do it by running the real book and music stores out of town and not carrying anything they don't want you to hear or read | Feb 01 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: | Feb 01 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | Would you say that an IPv6 address in my peers list is a bad thing? | Feb 01 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, looks like it's someone on a DSL line in Chile | Feb 01 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | I always get creeped out by ipv6 listings | Feb 01 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | the blacklist I use only has ipv4 listings for RIAA/MPAA/Microsoft etc | Feb 01 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/news/local/82970752.html | Feb 01 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | our mayor: "Waaaaaah, waaaaaaaah, the feds won't let me dump raw sewage into the river!!!!" | Feb 01 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | weak argument for being under budget when he was paying his wife a salary out of the city budget to be his "executive assistant" | Feb 01 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | *over budget | Feb 01 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | tell me what mayor of a town of 17,000 needs an executive assistant | Feb 01 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | this isn't Chicago | Feb 01 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | lol, our local newspaper put up a paywall on their website | Feb 01 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | they want $66 a year to read all the articles about firefighters fishing cats out of trees :P | Feb 01 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | I think the last article they published that I thought was interesting was when my former stepsister's husband lit a cigarette in a car full of meth lab supplies and blew up the car and had to jump out with 2nds degree burns all over his body | Feb 01 04:44 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/21489.cfm | Feb 01 04:54 |
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| DaemonFC | "Murderers and rapists sometimes don't get 40 year sentences, lets let the punishment fit the crime huh? " | Feb 01 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | damned right | Feb 01 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 01 04:54 |
| ender2070 | http://www.pwnage.ca/?q=node/10 | Feb 01 04:55 |
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| ender2070 | http://www.pwnage.ca/?q=node/11 | Feb 01 04:55 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Cost Arguement: OpenOffice vs MS Office | www.pwnage.ca .::. Size~: 8.03 KB | Feb 01 04:55 |
| ender2070 | cost of giving away open office = $0 | Feb 01 04:55 |
| ender2070 | cost of giving away office = $43,000,000 | Feb 01 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Feb 01 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: Some Walmart PCs even come with OOo now | Feb 01 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | instead of the MS Office 60 day trial | Feb 01 04:56 |
| ender2070 | Good stuff :D | Feb 01 04:56 |
| ender2070 | OpenOffice is more funtional than a trial of ms office | Feb 01 04:57 |
| ender2070 | functional* | Feb 01 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | Trial = Here, pump out 50-60 documents that only our software can open just in time to have this shit time out | Feb 01 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | then that will be $400 thank you | Feb 01 04:57 |
| ender2070 | you don't know how many customers I had who freaked out on my store | Feb 01 04:58 |
| ender2070 | thanks to ms office trial | Feb 01 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | OOo can deal with MS Office imports a little better | Feb 01 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | *OOo 3.2 that is | Feb 01 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | I've noticed less formatting problems | Feb 01 04:58 |
| ender2070 | just dont use ms office and you wont run into that :) | Feb 01 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, I've actually enjoyed dealing with MS Office less than Windows itself | Feb 01 04:59 |
| ender2070 | i have a friend who uses office thinking its better - LOL | Feb 01 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | I hate that new ribbon crap | Feb 01 05:00 |
| ender2070 | he loves it | Feb 01 05:00 |
| ender2070 | lol | Feb 01 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | it's even infected Windows 7 | Feb 01 05:00 |
| ender2070 | he uses linux cause its free though, hes a huge pirate | Feb 01 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | some of the buttons on the ribbons even have to be menus | Feb 01 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | so how is this better than menus? | Feb 01 05:00 |
| ender2070 | he plays with it, he doesnt "use" it | Feb 01 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like to get the Windows 2000 shell back | Feb 01 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | I don't like the Windows Vista/7 shells at all | Feb 01 05:01 |
| ender2070 | im happy with kde | Feb 01 05:02 |
| ender2070 | if I wanted a windows 2000-esque shell i'd hack out IceWM | Feb 01 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | Google is phasing out IE 6 support | Feb 01 05:03 |
| ender2070 | yeah lol | Feb 01 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | so the 1% better standards compliance in IE 7 helps them how? | Feb 01 05:03 |
| ender2070 | they suggest changing your browser to "pretty much anything else" | Feb 01 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | IE 7 and 8 still aren't a lot better than IE 6 | Feb 01 05:04 |
| ender2070 | sure they are | Feb 01 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | they should just tell you to go get Firefox, Opera, or Chrome | Feb 01 05:04 |
| ender2070 | anything is better than IE6 | Feb 01 05:04 |
| ender2070 | even netscape 4 | Feb 01 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | IE 8, standards support is about equal to Firefox 2 | Feb 01 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | so I guess that still qualifies as better than using IE 6 | Feb 01 05:05 |
| ender2070 | well yeah | Feb 01 05:05 |
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| ender2070 | its not better than firefox, konquerer or chrome though | Feb 01 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | I won't use something without an ad blocker | Feb 01 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | IE doesn't have any reliable ad blocker plug-ins | Feb 01 05:06 |
| ender2070 | why would it | Feb 01 05:06 |
| ender2070 | that cuts their funds | Feb 01 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | I like to browse a lot of torrent sites where there are some pornographic ads, which don't really bother me but they inject code into the page to hijack you to fake anti-virus scareware sites | Feb 01 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | and it's annoying as hell | Feb 01 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | and nothing can stop that in IE | Feb 01 05:07 |
| ender2070 | that can be avoided | Feb 01 05:08 |
| ender2070 | 1) Don't use IE, 2) Don't use Windows | Feb 01 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | Adblock Plus and NoScript seems to block 100% of that bullshit | Feb 01 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 01 05:08 |
| ender2070 | flashclick too | Feb 01 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | and no pop-unders either | Feb 01 05:08 |
| ender2070 | flash ads suck | Feb 01 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | AdBlock stops those itself | Feb 01 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | and NoScript has a click to flash thing built-in | Feb 01 05:10 |
| ender2070 | oh ok | Feb 01 05:10 |
| ender2070 | i stopped using noscript a while ago | Feb 01 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | NoScript is annoying for the first couple days you have it, but once you have your whitelist populated, yit's pretty much smooth sailing | Feb 01 05:10 |
| ender2070 | got tired of the author modifying my adblock data | Feb 01 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | he stopped that | Feb 01 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | and apologized | Feb 01 05:10 |
| ender2070 | oh good | Feb 01 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1957743,00.html | Feb 01 05:12 |
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| DaemonFC | Vermont wants to secede, lulz | Feb 01 05:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @ungerik Black Perl, the infamous piece of #Perl #poetry: http://is.gd/7scwL // seriously, check it out. #programming | Feb 01 05:12 | |
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| amarsh04 | Video Surveillance: Legally Blind? http://www.csse.uwa.edu.au/~pk/Research/pkpapers/legallyblind.pdf | Feb 01 05:27 |
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| amarsh04 | I like the quote from http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6955/1/ | Feb 01 05:38 |
| amarsh04 | So what does this all mean? It means that maintaining online archives, and not playing silly change-the-URL games is very good thing to do. It is good for readers, authors, and publishers. So the next time some PHB wants to orphan your valuable archives, buy him a one-way ticket to a remote outpost, and don't let him come back. | Feb 01 05:39 |
| MarcusKoze | any graphic designers here ? | Feb 01 05:40 |
| MarcusKoze | volunteers for a redesign of BN ? | Feb 01 05:41 |
| MarcusKoze | something simple and accesible | Feb 01 05:41 |
| DaemonFC | http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/126/41503581.gif | Feb 01 05:41 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: http://forum.zomgstuff.net/showthread.php?p=207531&posted=1#post207531 | Feb 01 06:07 |
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| DaemonFC | hehe | Feb 01 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | I've reversed my opinion | Feb 01 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | after living with my ATI card for a few months | Feb 01 06:07 |
| MarcusKoze | did anyone get a linux driver for ATI Radeon Xpress 200M ? | Feb 01 06:11 |
| MarcusKoze | i mean a proper one, because the one from the linux kernel doesnt have 3D accelerating capabilities for it , as it seems :( | Feb 01 06:12 |
| MarcusKoze | darn closed source mofos ... | Feb 01 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | "Will Windows Vista drivers work? Some Windows 7 drivers are still perfectly capable of killing the system dead. Flip a coin. ;) " -Me | Feb 01 06:13 |
| amarsh04 | MarcusKoze, have you asked in #radeon? | Feb 01 06:17 |
| MarcusKoze | hm , no, but i'll do that , havent thought at that :) | Feb 01 06:18 |
| MarcusKoze | thanks for the enlightenment :) | Feb 01 06:18 |
| DaemonFC | "Windows has detected that you are trying to open a file of the type: TORRENT. Please wait while Microsoft contacts the RIAA. Thank you for using Microsoft products. " -Me | Feb 01 06:20 |
| DaemonFC | http://forum.zomgstuff.net/showthread.php?t=21046 | Feb 01 06:20 |
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| MarcusKoze | dont know why i cant send messages there | Feb 01 06:21 |
| MarcusKoze | i get this notice: "Cannot send to channel" | Feb 01 06:21 |
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| DaemonFC | usually means you're banned | Feb 01 06:24 |
| DaemonFC | who did you piss off? | Feb 01 06:24 |
| DaemonFC | (1:07:58 AM) MarcusKoze: did anyone get a linux driver for ATI Radeon Xpress 200M ? | Feb 01 06:25 |
| DaemonFC | god help you if you have one of those | Feb 01 06:25 |
| DaemonFC | support fucking sucks for that in Linux | Feb 01 06:25 |
| MarcusKoze | yeah, its on my laptop | Feb 01 06:25 |
| DaemonFC | it's not in FGLRX and it's just barely supported by xorg-drv-ati | Feb 01 06:26 |
| MarcusKoze | cant play many 3d games | Feb 01 06:26 |
| DaemonFC | you'll hear the fan rev up on Youtube | Feb 01 06:26 |
| DaemonFC | oh yeah | Feb 01 06:26 |
| DaemonFC | page won't scroll, Firefox tries to crash | Feb 01 06:26 |
| DaemonFC | might as well give up trying to make the 200m work | Feb 01 06:26 |
| DaemonFC | my laptop has XP on it again thanks to that | Feb 01 06:26 |
| DaemonFC | fucking rat bastards at ATI.....grrrrrrrrr | Feb 01 06:27 |
| DaemonFC | I just want to choke them, and choke them, and choke them!!! | Feb 01 06:27 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 01 06:27 |
| MarcusKoze | that's not a reason to suffer tyhe windos systems :)) | Feb 01 06:28 |
| DaemonFC | oh, your card is 3 years old, lets drop it even though Nvidia cards from 1999 still work! | Feb 01 06:28 |
| DaemonFC | http://forum.zomgstuff.net/showthread.php?p=207538#post207538 | Feb 01 06:52 |
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| DaemonFC | fast forwarded to my rebuttal | Feb 01 06:52 |
| MarcusKoze | haha | Feb 01 06:56 |
| MarcusKoze | you tell'em tiger | Feb 01 06:56 |
| MarcusKoze | so, i'm coding on a project right now, but if any of you has some graphic design skills, would you care submit a simple layout for BN , to refresh it ? | Feb 01 07:00 |
| MarcusKoze | i'll gladly integrate the design into wordpress theme/templates | Feb 01 07:01 |
| DaemonFC | why does nobody think it's an operating system unless it has some huge bloated inefficient "content indexing service" running? | Feb 01 07:08 |
| amarsh04 | because they haven't experienced qnx or tinycore linux | Feb 01 07:10 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] “We’re absolutely 100 percent committed to #quality. We’re going to ship the highest-quality product we can on March 31st.” @jwz #netscape | Feb 01 07:44 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@nataliecastoro @roblosch i love how we are spending so much time talking about this when..they arent talking about us // easily fixed :) | Feb 01 07:56 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@bitchphd Thank @LudovicSpeaks RT @qu1j0t3 thx for the headsup on Wyclef. Good article. Zero tolerance is prudent //thanks LS & followed :) | Feb 01 08:02 | |
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| Omar87 | Hi all. | Feb 01 08:42 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC: ping | Feb 01 08:42 |
| MarcusKoze | hello | Feb 01 08:43 |
| Omar87 | MarcusKoze: hey | Feb 01 08:44 |
| Omar87 | MarcusKoze: do you do Arch Linux? | Feb 01 08:44 |
| MarcusKoze | uhm, for the moment im on ubuntu | Feb 01 08:45 |
| MarcusKoze | is it as tech-heavy as gentoo ? | Feb 01 08:45 |
| MarcusKoze | i mean Arch | Feb 01 08:45 |
| MarcusKoze | or a tamed Gentoo ? | Feb 01 08:45 |
| Omar87 | MarcusKoze: yeah, perhaps. Something like that. | Feb 01 08:45 |
| MarcusKoze | uhm | Feb 01 08:48 |
| MarcusKoze | does it have the usual support for hardware ? | Feb 01 08:48 |
| MarcusKoze | how would you compare it to ubuntu's h/w support , as in open/native kernel modules, not talking about proprietary drivers and such | Feb 01 08:48 |
| MarcusKoze | does it really optimize the soft so well ? | Feb 01 08:49 |
| Omar87 | I'm still trying to figure out how to install it without ruining my current Backtrack installation. :P | Feb 01 08:49 |
| MarcusKoze | hehe | Feb 01 08:51 |
| MarcusKoze | text-based installer i guess ? | Feb 01 08:51 |
| MarcusKoze | or does it have the graphic one too ? | Feb 01 08:51 |
| Omar87 | It sort od does have a graphic one, but it's nowhere near Ubiquity. | Feb 01 08:53 |
| MarcusKoze | share your results when finished :) | Feb 01 08:56 |
| DaemonFC | whoa, someone uploading from me using Opera | Feb 01 08:57 |
| MarcusKoze | if ubuntu goes too "commercial" and starts pouring too much "synthetics" in it, i'm eager to find the best replacement | Feb 01 08:57 |
| DaemonFC | don't see many people using Opera for bittorrent | Feb 01 08:57 |
| DaemonFC | I don't use anything that doesn't support a bad ip blocklist | Feb 01 08:58 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 01 08:58 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I know that's not 100% foolproof, but it's better than nothing | Feb 01 08:58 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure they're more effective than the RIAA would lead you to believe, all the obvious bad stuff is blocked | Feb 01 08:59 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87: Pong | Feb 01 09:00 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 01 09:00 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC: hey | Feb 01 09:00 |
| DaemonFC | http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Official_Arch_Linux_Install_Guide | Feb 01 09:00 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Official Arch Linux Install Guide - ArchWiki .::. Size~: 61.66 KB | Feb 01 09:00 |
| DaemonFC | http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Install-Arch-Linux-59239.shtml | Feb 01 09:00 |
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| Omar87 | DaemonFC: can you please help me do a safe dual boot between Arch and Backtrack? :P | Feb 01 09:01 |
| DaemonFC | I've never set up arch for dual boot | Feb 01 09:01 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC: basically, how do I choose Ext4 (or 3) as the filesystem for a partition. | Feb 01 09:02 |
| DaemonFC | it should give you a list of choices | Feb 01 09:02 |
| DaemonFC | ext2/3/4, XFS, JFS, ReiserFS | Feb 01 09:02 |
| DaemonFC | are your choices | Feb 01 09:03 |
| DaemonFC | I'd go with ext4 or XFS | Feb 01 09:03 |
| Omar87 | I'm trying to do manual partitioning using cfdisk, but when I try to choose the type, I get a huge list of choices but I'm not sure which one is Ext. | Feb 01 09:03 |
| MarcusKoze | i've read some articles stating that ext4 got 2-3 times slower than initialy | Feb 01 09:03 |
| DaemonFC | the installer I used kind of reminded me of Debian's | Feb 01 09:03 |
| MarcusKoze | any facts anyone ? | Feb 01 09:04 |
| DaemonFC | *shrugs* | Feb 01 09:04 |
| DaemonFC | should offer you choices in plain english (or whatever language you're using *grin*) | Feb 01 09:04 |
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| Omar87 | Actually, it can't offer me choices in other language, because these names are standard, ya know. :P | Feb 01 09:06 |
| DaemonFC | well, the cliche man, ya know? | Feb 01 09:06 |
| DaemonFC | plain english= simple to understand | Feb 01 09:06 |
| Omar87 | maybe | Feb 01 09:07 |
| DaemonFC | as in, you should know what you're doing right away because it should be presenting it in an easy to use manner | Feb 01 09:07 |
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| DaemonFC | unless you're using something I haven't come across | Feb 01 09:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] is it my imagination, or have some Dents been coming through in repeat postings? #StatusNet | Feb 01 09:08 | |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, now I has 21 leechers | Feb 01 09:13 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 01 09:14 |
| DaemonFC | something tells me I'm not going to need to seed this long once some other people get it | Feb 01 09:14 |
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| schestowitz | Wow! See what she's saying about FOSS feminism movement... http://www.twit.tv/floss104 | Feb 01 09:21 |
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| DaemonFC | heh | Feb 01 09:31 |
| DaemonFC | I'd hardly call gstreamer the best audio framework there is | Feb 01 09:31 |
| DaemonFC | it's a downright nightmare if you want to use it to encode MP3 | Feb 01 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | you can if you want it to arbitrarily set a lowpass filter at 16 Khz | Feb 01 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | that you CAN'T override | Feb 01 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | it totally fucks LAME over | Feb 01 09:33 |
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| DaemonFC | then there's that stupid soundconverter frontend that replaces the built-in quality scale of every encoder with its own arbitrary 5 point scale | Feb 01 09:35 |
| DaemonFC | put that together with gstreamer-lame and it's impossible to get good results | Feb 01 09:35 |
| DaemonFC | but Jono is on her blog promoting gstreamer as the second coming | Feb 01 09:36 |
| oiaohm | gstreamer is quite a resonable framework. | Feb 01 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | she's obviously never had to use it for anything other than decoding | Feb 01 09:36 |
| oiaohm | Ok area of it are not perfect DaemonFC | Feb 01 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | (which it's fine for) | Feb 01 09:36 |
| oiaohm | areas of it are not perfect | Feb 01 09:36 |
| oiaohm | How is its ogg encoding DaemonFC | Feb 01 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: when you have to bypass it and address LAME directly through a shell script, it's not ok | Feb 01 09:37 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Feb 01 09:37 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: Other than it using a massively outdated encoder? peachy | Feb 01 09:37 |
| oiaohm | That is lots of the problem DaemonFC | Feb 01 09:37 |
| oiaohm | Resources. | Feb 01 09:38 |
| DaemonFC | of course this can be fixed with a PPA substituting aotuv's libvorbis for the xiph.org libvorbis | Feb 01 09:38 |
| DaemonFC | so I suppose you can get good results out of Ubuntu semi-easily | Feb 01 09:38 |
| DaemonFC | with Vorbis | Feb 01 09:38 |
| DaemonFC | and an out-of-tree libvorbis | Feb 01 09:38 |
| oiaohm | No matter the media framework there is going to be weakpoints | Feb 01 09:39 |
| DaemonFC | the official xiph.org libvorbis is not a good idea, especially at lower bitrates | Feb 01 09:39 |
| oiaohm | Like MS one coming out box missing the means to play ogg | Feb 01 09:39 |
| oiaohm | And screwing up a few other formats until you install third parties. | Feb 01 09:39 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft will never acknowledge formats they didn't create unless they're so overwhelmingly popular that they have no choice | Feb 01 09:39 |
| DaemonFC | even then they'll give you bad support | Feb 01 09:40 |
| DaemonFC | or partial | Feb 01 09:40 |
| DaemonFC | bad being MP3 (old FhG encoder with no VBR) and partial MPEG-4 AAC (playback only) | Feb 01 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | they did at least manage to fully implement all AAC profiles, which surprised me | Feb 01 09:41 |
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| DaemonFC | Ubuntu only does kind of a half-assed job all around | Feb 01 09:42 |
| oiaohm | Yet MS still marketed there audio framework for playing and recording stuff around. DaemonFC | Feb 01 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | something is always not quite right with them | Feb 01 09:42 |
| oiaohm | Basically its not strange. | Feb 01 09:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Heading down to London for filming of a documentary. | Feb 01 09:43 | |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft has done more damage to the credibility of their own codecs than anyone else | Feb 01 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | WMA sucks, WMA Pro is good but has no hardware support, WMA Lossless has no hardware support and is bigger than FLAC | Feb 01 09:43 |
| oiaohm | Yep DaemonFC | Feb 01 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | the only reason portables have WMA support is cause of those subscription music sites that use WM-DRM | Feb 01 09:44 |
| oiaohm | We just have to accept nothing in audio/video on any platform is going to be perfect for a long time to come. | Feb 01 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | it's not because anyone out there wants to use WMA | Feb 01 09:44 |
| oiaohm | We just have to hope we can at least push it in the right direction. DaemonFC | Feb 01 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | Ogg Vorbis is easily more common "in the wild" than WMA | Feb 01 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | nobody uses WMA unless they're a jackass that has no idea what they're doing | Feb 01 09:45 |
| oiaohm | I think FLAC would be more popluer than WMA if more players supported it. | Feb 01 09:46 |
| oiaohm | And Flac is not what you call perfect due to its size. | Feb 01 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: FLAC has some mainstream hardware support | Feb 01 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | certainly more than the other lossless formats | Feb 01 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | my Sansa plays FLAC | Feb 01 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | WMA Lossless and Apple Lossless each support exactly one player | Feb 01 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | FLAC supports several | Feb 01 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | the rest don't have any hardware support at all | Feb 01 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | so as lossless format hardware support goes, FLAC is a runaway success | Feb 01 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | but hardware lossless support could stand to increase | Feb 01 09:48 |
| oiaohm | I was refering to over all players with the support DaemonFC | Feb 01 09:48 |
| oiaohm | Not saying that flac is doing poorly with hardware support. | Feb 01 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | FLAC has dead simple decoding, it decodes faster than anything but Shorten | Feb 01 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | that's why it will have more hardware success than anything else | Feb 01 09:49 |
| oiaohm | I was putting flac head to head with genural lossy wma | Feb 01 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | I don't care what supports ALAC and WMA Lossless, they both suck | Feb 01 09:50 |
| DaemonFC | their compression is terrible | Feb 01 09:50 |
| oiaohm | Yes I know a unfairish fight. DaemonFC | Feb 01 09:50 |
| DaemonFC | they're both proprietary | Feb 01 09:50 |
| DaemonFC | and they have no hardware support to speak of | Feb 01 09:50 |
| DaemonFC | three strikes | Feb 01 09:50 |
| oiaohm | One day I expect flac will most likely out number all wma and alac combinded. | Feb 01 09:50 |
| oiaohm | WMA Lossless also support DRM. I think ALAC does too. | Feb 01 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | yes, both would support DRM | Feb 01 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | cause of the ASF and MPEG-4 containers they use | Feb 01 09:51 |
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| DaemonFC | oiaohm: You can DRM a WMA Lossless file yourself | Feb 01 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | turn on Copy Protection and rip a CD in WMA Lossless | Feb 01 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | you've now DRM'd your own music :P | Feb 01 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | proves it can be done though | Feb 01 09:52 |
| oiaohm | Yep and you can lock your self out of own music if not careful. | Feb 01 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | you can also use Microsoft's WMA Encoder and set up your own license server | Feb 01 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | pass out DRM-encumbered WMA Lossless yourself | Feb 01 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: It used to be turned on by default | Feb 01 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | I've heard people bitching cause they ripped like 300 CDs and found out later that they were al lDRM'd as they were imported and they lsot their license file | Feb 01 09:54 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 01 09:54 |
| DaemonFC | I just had to lol | Feb 01 09:54 |
| DaemonFC | learning experience, am I right? | Feb 01 09:55 |
| DaemonFC | obviously they're already not the sharpest tool in the shed if they used Windows Media Player to do the ripping, but jesus, you know? | Feb 01 09:55 |
| oiaohm | It is a learning experience all right. | Feb 01 09:56 |
| oiaohm | http://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?t=7533 << People wonder why I look at windows coders with vial at times. | Feb 01 09:59 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: WineHQ Forums View topic - How to call an internal wine function ? .::. Size~: 46.4 KB | Feb 01 09:59 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC: In package selection, which button should I use to select/deselect packages? | Feb 01 10:24 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Installing #ArchLinux. | Feb 01 10:31 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] RT @pierres Dear akonadi developers: "Uknown error" is not a valid error message! Who wrote such bull shit? | Feb 01 10:31 | |
| MarcusKoze | Omar87: that might be a generic sign for unexpected behavior that'd signal a bug | Feb 01 10:32 |
| Omar87 | MarcusKoze: Thanks. It turned out to be the space bar. :P | Feb 01 10:32 |
| MarcusKoze | hum ? | Feb 01 10:32 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Celebrating getting a little work done by giving my work laptop a fresh screen wipe! Woohoo! Living on the edge! #fb | Feb 01 10:50 | |
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| Omar87 | Uhh! Ya know what? I give up..! (for now at least) | Feb 01 11:01 |
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| MarcusKoze | that hard ? | Feb 01 11:02 |
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| DaemonFC | http://fortwayne.craigslist.org/zip/1572867656.html | Feb 01 12:08 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Quality High Grade Horse Manure .::. Size~: 3.79 KB | Feb 01 12:08 |
| DaemonFC | I have people giving me free loads of horse shit all day | Feb 01 12:09 |
| DaemonFC | I don't get it :P | Feb 01 12:09 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The Free Software Foundation Europe (FSFE), a European-based anti-IP activist group: http://i5.be/apZ | Feb 01 12:44 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ext4_btrfs_2633&num=1 | Feb 01 13:06 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: [Phoronix] Btrfs Battles EXT4 With The Linux 2.6.33 Kernel .::. Size~: 19.05 KB | Feb 01 13:06 |
| DaemonFC | Ext4 is still murdering BtrFS | Feb 01 13:07 |
| DaemonFC | yeah I know BtrFS has a lot of features, but no end user on a workstation cares when it's this much slower | Feb 01 13:07 |
| DaemonFC | it's supposedly going to be an option on Fedora 13 :P | Feb 01 13:07 |
| oiaohm_ | Not all benchmarks any more. | Feb 01 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | It'll be nice to see Radeon R700 support that's passable | Feb 01 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 01 13:08 |
| oiaohm_ | Compressed version of BtrFS beat Ext4 in most benchmarks. | Feb 01 13:09 |
| oiaohm_ | Ie cpu usage was higher. | Feb 01 13:09 |
| oiaohm_ | And writes took a hit because of that. | Feb 01 13:10 |
| oiaohm_ | Question is DaemonFC what do you do more of Reads or Writes. | Feb 01 13:11 |
| oiaohm_ | If you do more writes Ext4 wins in places. If you do more Reads Btrfs will win in places. | Feb 01 13:11 |
| oiaohm_ | Now the past ext4 was a clean winner all round. | Feb 01 13:12 |
| MarcusKoze | hey, is btrfs stable ? | Feb 01 13:12 |
| MarcusKoze | last time ive heard of it, it was under dev | Feb 01 13:12 |
| oiaohm_ | Still under development. | Feb 01 13:14 |
| oiaohm_ | Benchmarking of filesystems start far before they are complete MarcusKoze | Feb 01 13:14 |
| MarcusKoze | any idea when's some release for a stable version ? | Feb 01 13:14 |
| oiaohm_ | So that errors in design can be correct.. | Feb 01 13:14 |
| oiaohm_ | When it done MarcusKoze | Feb 01 13:14 |
| MarcusKoze | yes i assume so | Feb 01 13:14 |
| oiaohm_ | Orcale is in no hurry they want it right. MarcusKoze | Feb 01 13:15 |
| MarcusKoze | well, ive heard many good reviews of it :) | Feb 01 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | I'm still saying go for Ext4 or XFS | Feb 01 13:15 |
| oiaohm_ | At this stage yes I agree DaemonFC | Feb 01 13:15 |
| oiaohm_ | I really do hope Orcale opens up the licence of zfs as well. | Feb 01 13:16 |
| oiaohm_ | So we can have two highly modern filesystems completing with each other. | Feb 01 13:16 |
| MarcusKoze | wasnt zfs used by apple ? | Feb 01 13:17 |
| MarcusKoze | or what was that ... :-? | Feb 01 13:17 |
| oiaohm_ | zfs is designed by sun. Apple was planing at one point at using it but its off the table now. | Feb 01 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | ZFS is usable in Linux via fuse | Feb 01 13:26 |
| DaemonFC | but it's not possible to support it natively cause of license | Feb 01 13:26 |
| DaemonFC | they really overestimate their requirements for ZFS, saying you need a fast CPU and 2 GB of RAM | Feb 01 13:27 |
| DaemonFC | I've used it on far less than that | Feb 01 13:27 |
| oiaohm_ | It depends on the size of the drive array. DaemonFC | Feb 01 13:29 |
| oiaohm_ | 2 GB will handle quite well a 10 to 50 TB setup. DaemonFC | Feb 01 13:30 |
| oiaohm_ | Have not tested past that. But I really would not be wanting to do that with less. | Feb 01 13:30 |
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| oiaohm_ | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzk0Mw Graphic stack is starting to make another good step DaemonFC | Feb 01 13:46 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: [Phoronix] Hybrid Graphics Comes To Linux In Crude Form .::. Size~: 17.84 KB | Feb 01 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Feb 01 13:48 |
| DaemonFC | I have someone in Finland as a leecher in my swarm for music from Finland :) | Feb 01 13:48 |
| DaemonFC | that only took 7 hours to happen too | Feb 01 13:49 |
| DaemonFC | I have a swarm of 40 at the moment | Feb 01 13:49 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Mmmm started reading dotevenreply.com http://dontevenreply.com/view.php?post=53 #funny #sick | Feb 01 13:57 | |
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| DaemonFC | oiaohm_: I love massive torrents, it more or less forces people to share for a while along the way | Feb 01 14:05 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to predict that IE loses 0.4% Jan 9 - Feb 10 | Feb 01 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | it's already lost 0.27% from Jan 9 - Today according to StatCounter | Feb 01 14:19 |
| oiaohm_ | What over all percent would that leave it at. | Feb 01 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | 55.12% if it loses 0.4% for the month | Feb 01 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | wait :P | Feb 01 14:21 |
| DaemonFC | I got that wrong | Feb 01 14:21 |
| *DaemonFC is tired | Feb 01 14:21 | |
| DaemonFC | 55.07 | Feb 01 14:21 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] This is more #hilarious FAQ: "what is this? ans: This is a website" LOL http://dontevenreply.com/faq.php | Feb 01 14:22 | |
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| oiaohm_ | So if it keeps this up by beigning of next year they will be under the magical 50 percent. | Feb 01 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | it seems to be steadily losing 0.4-0.6% each month | Feb 01 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | December or January they'll be under 50% | Feb 01 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | IE is dying, just not fast enough | Feb 01 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | it's taken 6 years to get from 95% to 55% | Feb 01 14:24 |
| oiaohm_ | Thing is once it under 50 percent next question is how long before firefox has more market share than it. | Feb 01 14:24 |
| oiaohm_ | Under 50 percent it drop rate should acclerate. | Feb 01 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox has lost too, just a bit | Feb 01 14:25 |
| oiaohm_ | then when under firefox/chrome | Feb 01 14:25 |
| oiaohm_ | It will lose more. | Feb 01 14:25 |
| oiaohm_ | Firefox has more competition these days DaemonFC | Feb 01 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | Chrome is gaining | Feb 01 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | Opera and Safari are stagnant | Feb 01 14:25 |
| oiaohm_ | I see Firefox with over 1/3 Chrome with over 1/3 | Feb 01 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | looks like Chrome is starting to eat away at IE and Firefox | Feb 01 14:26 |
| oiaohm_ | And everyone else fighting to get share. | Feb 01 14:26 |
| oiaohm_ | Chrome lacks the good extentions firefox has. | Feb 01 14:26 |
| oiaohm_ | times may change of course. | Feb 01 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but Google can make Chrome piggyback other installers like spyware | Feb 01 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 01 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | FoxIt Reader and Paint.net installers both try to foist Chrome on you | Feb 01 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | Avast Antivirus too | Feb 01 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | Google is latching onto some popular Windows freeware to spread Chrome with | Feb 01 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm_: I want to know where the Chrome versions of Adblock Plus and SkipScreen are | Feb 01 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | then we'll talk about me using it | Feb 01 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't let you silence web annoyances like Firefox does | Feb 01 14:29 |
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| DaemonFC | so I wouldn't think about using it until it does | Feb 01 14:29 |
| DaemonFC | you can use Privoxy, but that fucks up as much stuff as you want as it does ads and malicious scripts | Feb 01 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | and it's difficult to edit its rules to make it behave | Feb 01 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | they filter out a lot of garbage, but some of it is the baby getting thrown out with the bath water, to borrow an old saying :) | Feb 01 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | plus it slows down your browsing, so what's the point of having Chrome then? | Feb 01 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | I used to maintain and distribute my own ad blocking hosts files, then I went to doing Internet Junkbuster scripts | Feb 01 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | (it became Privoxy) | Feb 01 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | I hate all the user abuse you find on web pages and that's the number one feature of Firefox, you can get rid of all that | Feb 01 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | lynx is an interesting way around all that crap if you can get away with using it | Feb 01 14:34 |
| DaemonFC | I have Lynx built with Cygwin and it runs in the Windows command prompt that way | Feb 01 14:34 |
| MinceR | i have lynx installed from a package. :> | Feb 01 14:35 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: stop bragging about your package, it's not polite | Feb 01 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | (grrrrrr) | Feb 01 14:36 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 01 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Linux is nice, but after using Windows for nearly 20 years......I don't know | Feb 01 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | then again I still find myself trying to use unix commands in the Windows command prompt | Feb 01 14:37 |
| MinceR | ...it will be a great relief? | Feb 01 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | using both of them side-by-side, you slip up and forget which terminal you're in | Feb 01 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | the one with 500 insanely named commands or the one that thinks it's DOS | Feb 01 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | you really do have to rtfm when you're talking anything unix-related because no human would ever guess the names of a lot of unix commands and utilities | Feb 01 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | you almost have to wonder what in the hell the people naming them were on at the time | Feb 01 14:40 |
| MinceR | at least there's a fm | Feb 01 14:40 |
| MinceR | unlike on winblows | Feb 01 14:40 |
| DaemonFC | with Linux it can be even worse because the commands to use the package manager change with every distro | Feb 01 14:40 |
| MinceR | where all you get is a bunch of useless help files that only tell you the obvious | Feb 01 14:40 |
| amarsh04 | when I was running w98se I had found someone's native build of lynx that ran well | Feb 01 14:41 |
| MinceR | so the commands don't change with every windows? that's new | Feb 01 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | just because I know how to use apt doesn't mean I know how to use yum, urpm, conary, portage/emerge, or whatever | Feb 01 14:41 |
| MinceR | cry me a river | Feb 01 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | you have to relearn the whole fucking mess every time | Feb 01 14:41 |
| MinceR | and then use the gui for it if you're too stupid to use the command line | Feb 01 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | not stupid, just frustrating to have to relearn something that does the exact same thing once you finish relearning everything you knew and throwing out the manual for the last system | Feb 01 14:42 |
| DaemonFC | it's just one of those roadblocks they threw in there because everyone thinks they need a different package manager that takes different arguments | Feb 01 14:43 |
| MinceR | why throw it out? | Feb 01 14:43 |
| DaemonFC | and has the added benefit of being totally incompatible | Feb 01 14:43 |
| MinceR | you can still use what you learned whenever you need to use that package manager again | Feb 01 14:43 |
| DaemonFC | LSB also declares that RPM is the standard/official package manager on Linux | Feb 01 14:44 |
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| MinceR | and besides, changing the package manager is one way in which a distro can be new | Feb 01 14:44 |
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| DaemonFC | but does Debian use it? | Feb 01 14:44 |
| MinceR | debian can handle RPMs | Feb 01 14:44 |
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| DaemonFC | kinda sorta maybe usually not so much | Feb 01 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 01 14:44 |
| MinceR | and if it's a problem for you, don't use debian, use red hat or fedora or centos | Feb 01 14:44 |
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| oiaohm_ | LSB RPM format is not compadbile with anything these days DaemonFC | Feb 01 14:44 |
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| oiaohm_ | Including distributions using RPM as there main format. | Feb 01 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | alien sucks and can't convert anything but the simplest packages that have no dependencies | Feb 01 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | otherwise you're back to square one | Feb 01 14:45 |
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| oiaohm_ | Alien can convert packages that have lsb dependancies without trouble DaemonFC | Feb 01 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | the only use I ever found for it was to convert nspluginwrapper when Ubuntu had no deb for that | Feb 01 14:45 |
| oiaohm_ | Due to the fact lsb dependances are common named. | Feb 01 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm_: Do those exist? Where do I find them? | Feb 01 14:46 |
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| MinceR | i don't think i've ever seen LSB packages yet | Feb 01 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | I trust they're marked "Will not choke alien" | Feb 01 14:46 |
| oiaohm_ | Linux Printing has quite a few. | Feb 01 14:46 |
| oiaohm_ | Same with turboprint | Feb 01 14:46 |
| oiaohm_ | So yes it works. | Feb 01 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | the Linux packaging catastrophe is so bad that we now have autopackage packages | Feb 01 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | which bypass your distros package manager completely | Feb 01 14:47 |
| oiaohm_ | autopackage packages are old. | Feb 01 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | and even have their own uninstall system | Feb 01 14:47 |
| MinceR | it's funny to hear a m$ guy talk about linux packaging as a "catastrophe" | Feb 01 14:47 |
| MinceR | considering that winblows doesn't have package management at all and is a horrible mess as a result | Feb 01 14:47 |
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| DaemonFC | even the shittiest InstallShield Wizard is better than most deb packages | Feb 01 14:48 |
| MinceR | lol | Feb 01 14:48 |
| MinceR | you're really clueless | Feb 01 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | worst that can happen is it fucks up, you can't uninstall it, and you rip it out manually :) | Feb 01 14:48 |
| MinceR | installshield is one of the shittiest programs i've ever seen | Feb 01 14:48 |
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| MinceR | wow, that really isn't a problem at all. it isn't like an "alternative" for package management is supposed to be uninstall anything, no sir! | Feb 01 14:49 |
| oiaohm_ | deb packages are far simple to remove fully than install Shield screw ups. | Feb 01 14:49 |
| oiaohm_ | Note LSB offically these days supports packages being RPM and DEB | Feb 01 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | you act as if you've never had a "What in the FUCK is that!?!?!?" moment on Linux | Feb 01 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they happen a lot on Windows too, oh well | Feb 01 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | it's life, either way | Feb 01 14:50 |
| MinceR | you act as if you don't have "what in the FUCK is that?" moments on winblows _constantly_ | Feb 01 14:50 |
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| DaemonFC | not constantly, no, I've had a few weird occurrences though | Feb 01 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | like the un-deletable folder that Windows said wasn't there when I went to delete it | Feb 01 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | the command prompt wouldn't let me delete it | Feb 01 14:52 |
| oiaohm_ | DaemonFC: I have had What the fuck moments on Linux. | Feb 01 14:52 |
| oiaohm_ | Catch is I have always been able to resovle them withotu having to drop to reinstall. | Feb 01 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | I eventually decided to try dir /x to get its DOS 8.3 name | Feb 01 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | deleted it by calling it its 8.3 name | Feb 01 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 01 14:52 |
| oiaohm_ | Linux package managers make it simple to locate all files you have chanaged in a system. | Feb 01 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | that had to be my favorite | Feb 01 14:53 |
| oiaohm_ | And basically reset the system if you have to. | Feb 01 14:53 |
| oiaohm_ | Without reinstalling. Good part is reset on a part by part base. | Feb 01 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm_: Ubuntu makes it very difficult to live outside of its walled garden | Feb 01 14:54 |
| oiaohm_ | Yes no cross distribution package management is a pain. | Feb 01 14:54 |
| MinceR | it's also fun to have isdel.exe wasting 99% of CPU time while installshield pretends it's trying to install something, and after that installer exits | Feb 01 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Haven't seen that one in years | Feb 01 14:54 |
| oiaohm_ | DaemonFC: you say walled garden. | Feb 01 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | happened all the time in Windows 98 | Feb 01 14:54 |
| oiaohm_ | Most ubuntu users have no clue about running multi distributions on one kernel either. DaemonFC | Feb 01 14:54 |
| oiaohm_ | I don't really have that much issue with the distribution walls. | Feb 01 14:55 |
| oiaohm_ | Distributions walls is nothing containers cannot fix. | Feb 01 14:56 |
| MinceR | it's also fun to have a different kind of GUI to install every single application and having to click through all kinds of garbage for each | Feb 01 14:56 |
| MinceR | while on gnu/linux i could just mark the packages i want and have them install silently | Feb 01 14:56 |
| oiaohm_ | Really the sooner container tech gets main line the better. | Feb 01 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but if your repo doesn't offer them, then what? | Feb 01 14:57 |
| oiaohm_ | The true solution to the Linux packaging issue. Just be able to run them all. DaemonFC | Feb 01 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | oh, lets compile it and try to figure out why it's not working | Feb 01 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | that's fun | Feb 01 14:57 |
| MinceR | then i compile it and install it under stow | Feb 01 14:57 |
| oiaohm_ | Between debian Fedora gentoo crux slackware. So far I have found nothing I have to manually build yet. DaemonFC | Feb 01 14:58 |
| MinceR | if it complains, that (in 99% of the cases) means a dependency is missing, most of which can be installed from packages anyway | Feb 01 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm_: The solution is for them to stop all figuring that they have to be mutually incompatible to stay "cool" | Feb 01 14:58 |
| oiaohm_ | When I do I will just and another distribution to my active collection. DaemonFC | Feb 01 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | quit spawning new package managers, jsut pick one | Feb 01 14:58 |
| oiaohm_ | Not going to happen DaemonFC | Feb 01 14:59 |
| oiaohm_ | Windows packages cannot make up there god darn mind either. DaemonFC | Feb 01 14:59 |
| oiaohm_ | So Linux is not unique with this problem. | Feb 01 14:59 |
| oiaohm_ | Really DaemonFC how many new package management systems were created in the last 3 years. | Feb 01 15:01 |
| oiaohm_ | Answer zero. | Feb 01 15:01 |
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| MinceR | it's the old "waaaaaaaaah, there are too many distros" rant | Feb 01 15:02 |
| MinceR | pick one and shut up. :> | Feb 01 15:02 |
| MinceR | or, like in the case of winblows, ask m$ to pick one for you. | Feb 01 15:02 |
| oiaohm_ | Really people don't look close enough. | Feb 01 15:04 |
| oiaohm_ | Items like mint are that close to Ubuntu they use Ubuntu packages without issues. | Feb 01 15:04 |
| MinceR | mint doesn't even use its own packages without issues :> | Feb 01 15:04 |
| MinceR | it can't verify the signatures out of the box | Feb 01 15:04 |
| oiaohm_ | There is not as many real independant distributions any more. | Feb 01 15:05 |
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| oiaohm_ | Ubuntu has the same signature issue out box as well in some versions MinceR | Feb 01 15:15 |
| oiaohm_ | When you are based of something else you sometimes catch there illness MinceR | Feb 01 15:16 |
| MinceR | i've never seen that in ubuntu | Feb 01 15:16 |
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| oiaohm_ | I have | Feb 01 15:21 |
| oiaohm_ | Some of the testing versions MinceR | Feb 01 15:22 |
| oiaohm_ | It also disappears after the first update. | Feb 01 15:22 |
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| MinceR | testing versions don't count | Feb 01 15:26 |
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| DaemonFC | "Open source springs from dissatisfaction." | Feb 01 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | I like that | Feb 01 16:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] students 'think commas are ... like parmesan cheese that you sprinkle on your words.' https://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/02/01/0553259 | Feb 01 17:00 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] /. : the West may someday trade its dependence on #oil from the Mideast for a reliance on ..[#energy tech] manufactured in #China // duh! | Feb 01 17:06 | |
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| DaemonFC | jono: I was just talking about how much I loathe gstreamer | Feb 01 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | ok several hours ago, but still... :) | Feb 01 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | specifically how it mangles any MP3 you try to make with it | Feb 01 17:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Want Android 2.1 on my HTC Hero.. c'mon @htc chop chop! :) | Feb 01 17:13 | |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm, Russia, Canada, Romania, France, Australia, United States, Romania, Greece | Feb 01 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | this is more popular than I thought it would be | Feb 01 17:19 |
| jono | DaemonFC, right | Feb 01 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | and that's just who is downloading it now | Feb 01 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | I said romania twice, oops | Feb 01 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | oh well, undermining the cartel one bit at a time | Feb 01 17:20 |
| ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjYn-HwDQns | Feb 01 17:22 |
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| ender2070 | The Disappearing Male | Feb 01 17:22 |
| ender2070 | A MUST see | Feb 01 17:22 |
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| ender2070 | they claim sperm count has decreased by 50% | Feb 01 17:24 |
| ender2070 | since 1950 | Feb 01 17:24 |
| ender2070 | they blame chemical additives | Feb 01 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | I care? | Feb 01 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | bang her twice :D | Feb 01 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | It'll work eventually | Feb 01 17:28 |
| ender2070 | less sperm to get on ur face? | Feb 01 17:28 |
| ender2070 | lol | Feb 01 17:28 |
| Omar87 | Greetings all. | Feb 01 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | then you can get a stroller and push the little twerp around walmart | Feb 01 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | make a good little docile passive consumer | Feb 01 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Feb 01 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | and maybe his sperm count will be half of yours | Feb 01 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | and then he'll just have to try four times | Feb 01 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | poor kid | Feb 01 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 01 17:29 |
| ender2070 | your math fails | Feb 01 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | oh eventually it'll plateau | Feb 01 17:29 |
| Omar87 | .. =.= | Feb 01 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | by then you'll have to have so much secks :P that no man alive could get her knocked up | Feb 01 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | you'll need to utilize orgies | Feb 01 17:30 |
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| ender2070 | lol | Feb 01 17:30 |
| ender2070 | you really have no idea | Feb 01 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | then the Bureau of Repopulation will step in when they realize that humanity is on the verge of collapse and that they went too far | Feb 01 17:30 |
| cubezzz | chemical additives like what? | Feb 01 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | and you'll have nothing but secks (but not butt secks) | Feb 01 17:31 |
| ender2070 | Bisphenol A | Feb 01 17:31 |
| ender2070 | pesticides | Feb 01 17:31 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.funnyforumpics.com/forums/Surprise-Buttsekz/1/2012d1157685229-orly-buttsecks.jpg | Feb 01 17:31 |
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| ender2070 | remember asbestos? took them a LONG time to figure out it caused harm | Feb 01 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: All joking aside, I fail to see how reduced fertility is a major problem | Feb 01 17:32 |
| MinceR | http://liandri.beyondunreal.com/DM-Asbestos | Feb 01 17:32 |
| MinceR | ;) | Feb 01 17:32 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm all for it | Feb 01 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | I for one welcome our new fertility reducing overlords | Feb 01 17:32 |
| ender2070 | i've seen Children of Men | Feb 01 17:32 |
| cubezzz | hrmm, maybe it's deliberate | Feb 01 17:33 |
| cubezzz | world pop is getting up there | Feb 01 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | yep billions more worker drones than the queen bee needs | Feb 01 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | so you know what the bees do right? | Feb 01 17:33 |
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| ender2070 | theres books by people from aristrocracy, they consider the general population are "useless eaters" | Feb 01 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | starve the excess | Feb 01 17:33 |
| cubezzz | you are extra pessimistic today ;-) | Feb 01 17:34 |
| cubezzz | the rich still need workers and helpers though | Feb 01 17:34 |
| ender2070 | yes but less | Feb 01 17:34 |
| cubezzz | just not as many as we actually have, yes | Feb 01 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: I think they call them differently abled | Feb 01 17:34 |
| ender2070 | they dont need 6 billion | Feb 01 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | get it right | Feb 01 17:34 |
| ender2070 | they want 1 billion | Feb 01 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | 500 million | Feb 01 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | it's on a stone tablet in Georgia | Feb 01 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 01 17:35 |
| ender2070 | I've seen numbers from 500 million to 3 billion | Feb 01 17:35 |
| cubezzz | people were complaining about world pop in the 19th century, even earlier | Feb 01 17:35 |
| ender2070 | the UN says 2-3 billion | Feb 01 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | and the swine flu vaccine has yet to kill anyone as far as I know | Feb 01 17:35 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - yes | Feb 01 17:35 |
| cubezzz | in the 1850's Ireland's population was double what it is today | Feb 01 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | but if it sterilized me, I'm alright with that | Feb 01 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | I hate kids | Feb 01 17:36 |
| ender2070 | the key thing is that a LOT of people were illiterate, so they had no issues publishing books talking about it | Feb 01 17:36 |
| cubezzz | there have been swine flu deaths | Feb 01 17:36 |
| cubezzz | just not very many | Feb 01 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: The conspiracy nuts think the vaccine is a plot to kill them | Feb 01 17:36 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - I don't find anything good about mercury | Feb 01 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | there is no mercury in the vaccine I took | Feb 01 17:37 |
| cubezzz | it's good to build up your immune system without drugs though | Feb 01 17:37 |
| ender2070 | oh likely there was | Feb 01 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Feb 01 17:37 |
| cubezzz | vitamins, good food, exercise | Feb 01 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | none at all | Feb 01 17:37 |
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| ender2070 | yes it did, one of the compounds was a derivitive | Feb 01 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | thimersal and no, I did not have any | Feb 01 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 01 17:38 |
| ender2070 | it has such a low concentration, legally they can say it has none | Feb 01 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | they don't use it in the nasal mist | Feb 01 17:38 |
| ender2070 | however cubezzz is right, better to build an immune system yourself | Feb 01 17:38 |
| *cubezzz didn't get the flu shot | Feb 01 17:38 | |
| ender2070 | swine flu lasted 3 days for the average person | Feb 01 17:39 |
| ender2070 | oh no! | Feb 01 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | I've been vaccinated for plenty of stuff, measles, mumps, rubella, flu shot every year, Hepatitis A and B | Feb 01 17:39 |
| *MinceR didn't get it either | Feb 01 17:39 | |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 01 17:39 |
| cubezzz | antibiotics kill good bacteria too | Feb 01 17:40 |
| cubezzz | some people will get sicker after taking them | Feb 01 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | yes, jsut let the syphilis eat you alive | Feb 01 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | the antibiotics kill some good bacteria | Feb 01 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | wouldn't want that | Feb 01 17:40 |
| MinceR | or just don't get syphilis in the first place? | Feb 01 17:40 |
| ender2070 | dont get syphilis | Feb 01 17:41 |
| cubezzz | heh | Feb 01 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | meh, too late once you find out you have it | Feb 01 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 01 17:41 |
| ender2070 | I guess you need all those shots from playing with some dudes waste orifice | Feb 01 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | nice way to put it | Feb 01 17:41 |
| MinceR | it's an STD. it's not like you can be careful with those. | Feb 01 17:41 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 01 17:41 |
| ender2070 | try not being promiscuous | Feb 01 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: You can, doesn't mean you will | Feb 01 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | what's the fun in that? | Feb 01 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | I may as well be Amish | Feb 01 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 01 17:42 |
| MinceR | well, of course, you can just go collect STDs, it's fun | Feb 01 17:42 |
| cubezzz | Amish guys don't use IRC :) | Feb 01 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | skip the deodorant, never bathe, grow a beard | Feb 01 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | marry your cousin | Feb 01 17:42 |
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| DaemonFC | no birth control | Feb 01 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | I don't like where that is going | Feb 01 17:43 |
| ender2070 | Pokeaids - Gotta catch em all! | Feb 01 17:43 |
| cubezzz | I'm pretty sure Amish bathe :) | Feb 01 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | maybe one a year | Feb 01 17:43 |
| ender2070 | you know what show makes me absolutely SICK | Feb 01 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | I know they stink | Feb 01 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | majorly | Feb 01 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | they aren't allowed to buy deodorant so they go into Walmart and use the ones on the shelf | Feb 01 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | then put them back | Feb 01 17:44 |
| ender2070 | whoever thought up "Toddler's in Tiara's" should probably be on Dateline Predators | Feb 01 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | that's why I buy spray deodorant :) | Feb 01 17:44 |
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| DaemonFC | the Amish are worse than the Mexicans | Feb 01 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | at least the Mexican day laborers take a bath now and then | Feb 01 17:45 |
| MinceR | the amish are geographically concentrated though, aren't they? | Feb 01 17:45 |
| cubezzz | Amish don't go into Walmart | Feb 01 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | yeah they do | Feb 01 17:45 |
| MinceR | so if you don't live near their cult, you can choose any deodorant you want :> | Feb 01 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | maybe they're those Menonites or whatever | Feb 01 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | they advertise in the paper as Amish work crew though | Feb 01 17:45 |
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| DaemonFC | go around building things that should never pass inspection | Feb 01 17:46 |
| cubezzz | I bet old order Amish don't go into Walmart, because they are basically against everything :) | Feb 01 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | there's some Menonites aroudn here | Feb 01 17:46 |
| MinceR | ic | Feb 01 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | see them in McDonalds now and then even | Feb 01 17:46 |
| cubezzz | really people should avoid Walmart though | Feb 01 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | stink up the whole place | Feb 01 17:46 |
| cubezzz | McDonalds????? | Feb 01 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Feb 01 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | I shit you not, McDonalds | Feb 01 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | like 20 of them | Feb 01 17:47 |
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| cubezzz | weird | Feb 01 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | it's almost too weird to see them in there | Feb 01 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | it's like the Twilight Zone where a family from 1820 ended up in modern times | Feb 01 17:47 |
| cubezzz | evidently we have Amish in Ontario | Feb 01 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | they drive cars though | Feb 01 17:48 |
| cubezzz | not sure where | Feb 01 17:48 |
| cubezzz | doesn't sound like they're even Amish any more | Feb 01 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | They're mainly in Ohio and Pennsylvania | Feb 01 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | real snooty | Feb 01 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | there's some of them in Indiana that run a flea market deal | Feb 01 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | They call us "the English" | Feb 01 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 01 17:49 |
| ender2070 | by the time 2050 rolls around the Amish might have Internet | Feb 01 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | they ruled that one of the Amish in Shipshewana could have a phone in his house | Feb 01 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | because he's in poor health | Feb 01 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 01 17:49 |
| cubezzz | there's no reason why some Amish ideas couldn't be absorbed by non-Amish | Feb 01 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | so he's got a cell phone on him | Feb 01 17:49 |
| cubezzz | and vice-versa | Feb 01 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | while he's out in the field | Feb 01 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: They don't like the English (me) | Feb 01 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 01 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | I did correct them about that | Feb 01 17:50 |
| ender2070 | ever see "The Village" ? | Feb 01 17:50 |
| ender2070 | lol | Feb 01 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | every one of them huffed and turned away | Feb 01 17:50 |
| cubezzz | ever see Starlost? | Feb 01 17:50 |
| ender2070 | haven't seen Starlost | Feb 01 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | part of the village | Feb 01 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | no to starlost | Feb 01 17:51 |
| cubezzz | the people in that are Amish like | Feb 01 17:51 |
| cubezzz | before your time no doubt :) | Feb 01 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | they like to go around and undercut union labor for buildings | Feb 01 17:51 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlost | Feb 01 17:51 |
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| DaemonFC | Walmart had the Amish building the fucking supercenter here | Feb 01 17:51 |
| ender2070 | offtopic, but if you guys want to laugh hard watch "Canada's Worst Handyman" | Feb 01 17:51 |
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| cubezzz | I don't watch Worst shows | Feb 01 17:52 |
| ender2070 | worst driver is boring after one episode | Feb 01 17:52 |
| ender2070 | lol | Feb 01 17:52 |
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| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Like, they wouldn't touch power tools but they would do all the rest | Feb 01 17:52 |
| ender2070 | handyman is just nuts | Feb 01 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | it was bizarre | Feb 01 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | even when it was 10 times more work | Feb 01 17:52 |
| ender2070 | one guy removed a toilet by smashing it to pieces with a sledge hammer | Feb 01 17:52 |
| cubezzz | lol | Feb 01 17:53 |
| cubezzz | kind of wasteful | Feb 01 17:53 |
| ender2070 | he had to dig ceramic out of the drain with his hands | Feb 01 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | people are weird | Feb 01 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | I dare anyone to tell me I'm more fucked up than that | Feb 01 17:53 |
| cubezzz | ummmmmmmm | Feb 01 17:54 |
| ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvVHGzEqw5A | Feb 01 17:54 |
| cubezzz | the computers on Starlost were interesting | Feb 01 17:54 |
| cubezzz | of course they work great and have perfect voice recognition :) | Feb 01 17:56 |
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| DaemonFC | cubezzz: They were obviously running Vista then | Feb 01 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 01 17:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] iPad is great, phenomenal, amazing, great, great, phenomenal, incredible, awesome http://bit.ly/dByG5a | Feb 01 17:57 | |
| DaemonFC | Entertainment I would pay for......The flamboyantly gay guy from the Leave Brittany Alone video advertising the iPad | Feb 01 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 01 17:58 |
| ender2070 | Leave Steve Jobs Alone! | Feb 01 17:59 |
| ender2070 | He brought us the iPad! | Feb 01 17:59 |
| cubezzz | just a marketer | Feb 01 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | "LEAVE THE IPAD ALOOOOOOOOOOONE!!!! Can't you see it's FUCKING trying!!!!!!!!???????? What do you want from it!?!?!? MULTITASKING!?!?!? It's giving you all it can and you want MORE MORE MORE, LEAVE IT ALOOOOOOOOONE!!!!!!!" | Feb 01 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 01 17:59 |
| MinceR | lol | Feb 01 17:59 |
| rnb | hello | Feb 01 17:59 |
| Omar87 | Hey | Feb 01 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | It only costs more than the desktop PC you're using, why would you ever presume you could open your browser, a word processor, and a media player at the same time? | Feb 01 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 01 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | you can go into Walmart and get the cheapest, shittiest, most gawd awfulest laptop they have and it will do more than the iPad | Feb 01 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | who would buy an iPad? | Feb 01 18:03 |
| ender2070 | but dude | Feb 01 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure they'll take off cause Apple is a status symbol | Feb 01 18:03 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC: for some reason, after I finished installation of Arch Linux, when I tried to reboot, GRUB just loads infinitely. What could have gone wrong? | Feb 01 18:03 |
| ender2070 | YOU CAN HOLD THE ENTIRE INTERNET IN THE PALM OF YOUR HANDS | Feb 01 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87: Is it pointing at your root partition? | Feb 01 18:04 |
| ender2070 | Omar87 - grub config could be off | Feb 01 18:04 |
| *DaemonFC hates GRUB | Feb 01 18:04 | |
| MarcusKoze | ender2070: are you really serious about that ? | Feb 01 18:04 |
| MarcusKoze | the ipad love and so on ? | Feb 01 18:04 |
| ender2070 | MarcusKoze - LOL no | Feb 01 18:04 |
| MarcusKoze | havent touched one at all, but still | Feb 01 18:04 |
| MarcusKoze | for 500 bucks ... | Feb 01 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | MarcusKoze: The no multitasking alone is enough reason not to buy one | Feb 01 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | it's worse than Windows Starter | Feb 01 18:05 |
| MarcusKoze | maybe paris hilton might want a dosen of them, she'd deserve them :) | Feb 01 18:05 |
| ender2070 | steve jobs was just exaggerating stuff | Feb 01 18:05 |
| ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCevnzsHN20 | Feb 01 18:05 |
| ender2070 | "You can change the background!" | Feb 01 18:06 |
| ender2070 | It's the best browsing experience you've ever had... | Feb 01 18:07 |
| MarcusKoze | well, the thing that makes me meh about it is the price tag related to the "show-stoppers' like yeah the mono-tasking stuff and well, as they said, no keyboard toher than mail or messaging, from what i understood | Feb 01 18:07 |
| ender2070 | omg | Feb 01 18:07 |
| ender2070 | theres already a hitler ipad video | Feb 01 18:07 |
| ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQnT0zp8Ya4 | Feb 01 18:08 |
| MarcusKoze | hehe yes, seen some links to it, havent watched it | Feb 01 18:08 |
| ender2070 | my furher, the ipad can only run one app at a time... | Feb 01 18:08 |
| MarcusKoze | =)) | Feb 01 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | my ex asked what I was going to do with "the pictures" | Feb 01 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | told him "blackmail you for money and sex" | Feb 01 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Feb 01 18:10 |
| MarcusKoze | DaemonFC: you female ? | Feb 01 18:13 |
| ender2070 | nah hes a dude | Feb 01 18:13 |
| MarcusKoze | troughot youre a guy by yer language | Feb 01 18:13 |
| MarcusKoze | DaemonFC: told him "blackmail you for money and sex" | Feb 01 18:13 |
| MarcusKoze | his ex ? | Feb 01 18:13 |
| ender2070 | yes hes gay | Feb 01 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | ahem | Feb 01 18:13 |
| MarcusKoze | ok | Feb 01 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, what he says | Feb 01 18:13 |
| ender2070 | lol | Feb 01 18:14 |
| MarcusKoze | be happy | Feb 01 18:14 |
| MarcusKoze | dont worry | Feb 01 18:14 |
| ender2070 | just like the other republicans but hes admitted it | Feb 01 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Feb 01 18:14 |
| MarcusKoze | when's roy getting back from london? | Feb 01 18:14 |
| ender2070 | :P | Feb 01 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | the Rethuglicans | Feb 01 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | must be one of those Log Cabin Sellouts | Feb 01 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | but I'm not a millionaire trying to stab everyone else in the back for a 3% tax cut for myself | Feb 01 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | so what could I be? | Feb 01 18:15 |
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| ender2070 | fedora 12 now uses 2.6.32 | Feb 01 18:23 |
| ender2070 | just saw the update today, it released with 2.6.31 | Feb 01 18:28 |
| MarcusKoze | what do they use, ,rpm for packages ? | Feb 01 18:28 |
| ender2070 | yeah rpm | Feb 01 18:28 |
| MarcusKoze | hm | Feb 01 18:28 |
| ender2070 | it has an apt-get like system, yum | Feb 01 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | MarcusKoze: Fedora = The successor to Red Hat Linux | Feb 01 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | so yes, it uses RPM | Feb 01 18:28 |
| ender2070 | opensuse uses rpm too | Feb 01 18:28 |
| ender2070 | same with mandriva | Feb 01 18:29 |
| MarcusKoze | how is it ? heard its a bit harder than the debian way of managing pkg but dont know why would it be so | Feb 01 18:29 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Feb 01 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but Mandriva was a Red Hat fork | Feb 01 18:29 |
| ender2070 | "yum update" | Feb 01 18:29 |
| ender2070 | and | Feb 01 18:29 |
| ender2070 | "yum install whatever" | Feb 01 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | Mandriva has urpm though | Feb 01 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | much better than yum | Feb 01 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | imho | Feb 01 18:29 |
| ender2070 | nah | Feb 01 18:29 |
| ender2070 | doesnt support deltas yet | Feb 01 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | Yum is complicated and likes to fuck itself over | Feb 01 18:29 |
| MarcusKoze | hey i dont know really, is SUDO for debian based systems or does it work for red hat baes ones too ? | Feb 01 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | urpm is more dependable | Feb 01 18:30 |
| ender2070 | urpm doesnt have deltas | Feb 01 18:30 |
| ender2070 | and its not more dependable | Feb 01 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | don't need to fuck around with priorities to not blow your system up | Feb 01 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | Mandriva is much more sane choice for new users especially | Feb 01 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | who cares about deltas? | Feb 01 18:31 |
| MarcusKoze | hm | Feb 01 18:31 |
| ender2070 | i do | Feb 01 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | dial up users can't keep up with updates even with deltas | Feb 01 18:31 |
| ender2070 | a 20KB update is more sane than downloading an entire 20mb package | Feb 01 18:31 |
| MarcusKoze | is mandriva based on red hat too ? | Feb 01 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | broadband users won't notice the difference, deltas might even take longer | Feb 01 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | they take a lot longer to apply than a normal RPM update | Feb 01 18:31 |
| ender2070 | i notice a difference in speed | Feb 01 18:31 |
| ender2070 | it is faster | Feb 01 18:31 |
| ender2070 | not everyone gets fast broadband | Feb 01 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | deltas will be slower if you have a slower system, than regular RPMs would be | Feb 01 18:32 |
| ender2070 | i dont have slow systems | Feb 01 18:32 |
| ender2070 | just slow internets | Feb 01 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | cause the process of applying the patch is a CPU hog | Feb 01 18:32 |
| ender2070 | my 4 cores dont care | Feb 01 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | well, mine wouldn't either, but they're aggravatingly slow on like an Athlon64 3200+ | Feb 01 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | and there's no reason for that | Feb 01 18:32 |
| ender2070 | if they only change 1 file, why the hell should I download a 20mb package? | Feb 01 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | there's lots of people using Linux that don't have a quad core | Feb 01 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | or even a dual core | Feb 01 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | or a fast single core | Feb 01 18:33 |
| ender2070 | then they are dumb | Feb 01 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | what is it, Windows? | Feb 01 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | throw out your system every time we tweak something that should be a non-issue? | Feb 01 18:33 |
| ender2070 | what if you rely on cell based mobile internet? | Feb 01 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | delta's should be opt-in | Feb 01 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | they were up to now | Feb 01 18:34 |
| ender2070 | you can turn them off | Feb 01 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | that's the right way to have them | Feb 01 18:34 |
| ender2070 | its stupid not to use them | Feb 01 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | I don't like them because they slow down the update more than just downloading the full thing | Feb 01 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | for me anyway | Feb 01 18:35 |
| MarcusKoze | uhm DaemonFC ender2070 , what are those deltas youre talking about if you dont mind ? | Feb 01 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | my bandwidth can pull in the full rpms fast enough that I don't care | Feb 01 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | MarcusKoze: Delta RPM is a patch | Feb 01 18:35 |
| ender2070 | MarcusKoze - its a process of just updating parts of a program instead of the whole package | Feb 01 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | regular RPM replaces every file in the package | Feb 01 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | Delta's just replace the files that changed | Feb 01 18:35 |
| MarcusKoze | aw | Feb 01 18:35 |
| ender2070 | MarcusKoze - if you have a firefox update on ubuntu, you're downloading a few mb | Feb 01 18:35 |
| MarcusKoze | i see | Feb 01 18:35 |
| ender2070 | on fedora, it can be 70% smaller | Feb 01 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | right, when maybe a Firefox delta RPM is a few hundred kilobytes | Feb 01 18:36 |
| ender2070 | its quite significant and the cpu resources are more expendable than bandwidth | Feb 01 18:36 |
| MarcusKoze | so in ubuntu it fetches the whole source for the app ? | Feb 01 18:36 |
| ender2070 | yes | Feb 01 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | MarcusKoze: Every file that makes up the "firefox" package | Feb 01 18:36 |
| ender2070 | in ubuntu it fetches the latest package, the same thing you get if you freshly install the package | Feb 01 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | whether they have changed or not | Feb 01 18:36 |
| MarcusKoze | yeah | Feb 01 18:36 |
| MarcusKoze | i see | Feb 01 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | if your bandwidth is slow or metered, use deltas | Feb 01 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | if your bandwidth is fast and not metered, use regular rpms | Feb 01 18:37 |
| ender2070 | a lot of people have metered bandwidth | Feb 01 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | that's my advice | Feb 01 18:37 |
| MarcusKoze | so like deltas means just the files that changed some code from the whole app uh ? | Feb 01 18:37 |
| ender2070 | also: fedora has a lot more updates than other distros because they fix stuff more often | Feb 01 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | right | Feb 01 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Fedora has a crazy update churn | Feb 01 18:37 |
| MarcusKoze | well thats cute | Feb 01 18:37 |
| ender2070 | without deltas you're downloading 200mb of updates after a fresh install | Feb 01 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | wait a few days and you could be over 100 updates behind | Feb 01 18:38 |
| MarcusKoze | heu thanks for the info, i;ve just learned something new about linux :D | Feb 01 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | but it's delicious to be sitting on top of all the newest packages in the Linux distro stack too | Feb 01 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 01 18:38 |
| ender2070 | its not crazy, its sane | Feb 01 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | I mean crazy fast | Feb 01 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | like you blink and there's an update | Feb 01 18:38 |
| ender2070 | you dont wait till every tuesday, you get it out when it works | Feb 01 18:38 |
| MarcusKoze | for what, fedora you mean ? | Feb 01 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is every 4th Tuesday unless something particularly heinous is causing bad PR | Feb 01 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 01 18:39 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Feb 01 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | then it may get there sooner | Feb 01 18:39 |
| ender2070 | they just dont push updates recklessly either, they have an updates-testing repo | Feb 01 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | MarcusKoze: Fedora is kind of a proving ground | Feb 01 18:39 |
| ender2070 | as well as an unstable repo | Feb 01 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | they're always months ahead of Ubuntu | Feb 01 18:39 |
| ender2070 | when they release they usually have the latest versions | Feb 01 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | Red Hat is writing a lot of code that ends up in hundreds of Linux-related programs and the kernel itself | Feb 01 18:40 |
| ender2070 | they arent afraid of updating your kernel version either | Feb 01 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | so they're the closest thing to a Linux authority I could name if I had to in a few seconds | Feb 01 18:40 |
| ender2070 | yes redhat does a lot of work | Feb 01 18:40 |
| MarcusKoze | hm | Feb 01 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | without Red Hat, the work on the Linux stack would be severely crippled | Feb 01 18:40 |
| ender2070 | they hired the guy who invented pulseaudio for example | Feb 01 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | like think, you lose a third of the deelopment work on the kernel overnight | Feb 01 18:41 |
| MarcusKoze | you've fired up a crazy desire to test some RH based distros :D | Feb 01 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | not to mention the other hundred things they work on | Feb 01 18:41 |
| ender2070 | the pulseaudio guy got made at ubuntu for breaking his work, lol | Feb 01 18:41 |
| MarcusKoze | and i'll also check on Arch, what do you say of it ? | Feb 01 18:41 |
| ender2070 | Arch is good | Feb 01 18:41 |
| ender2070 | lots of work though | Feb 01 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora is friendlier | Feb 01 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | Arch gives more control | Feb 01 18:41 |
| ender2070 | My preference chain: Fedora, Arch, Ubuntu | Feb 01 18:42 |
| ender2070 | Kubuntu I mean, actually | Feb 01 18:42 |
| MarcusKoze | hm ok then my next step would be some RH derivative | Feb 01 18:42 |
| MarcusKoze | i prefer Gnome (still) | Feb 01 18:42 |
| ender2070 | I'd recommend Fedora 12 w/ KDE | Feb 01 18:42 |
| MarcusKoze | although it turns very dark-side for my taste | Feb 01 18:42 |
| ender2070 | im testing out KDE 4.4 RC2 right now | Feb 01 18:43 |
| MarcusKoze | i dont like kde because i feel it's cluttered | Feb 01 18:43 |
| ender2070 | on F12 | Feb 01 18:43 |
| ender2070 | Gnome seems dated to me | Feb 01 18:43 |
| MarcusKoze | no white space / paddings / margins used in menus / UI / etc | Feb 01 18:43 |
| ender2070 | and the mono encroachment pisses me off | Feb 01 18:43 |
| MarcusKoze | yeah, the mono "intoxication" drives me on a killing rage too | Feb 01 18:44 |
| MarcusKoze | but i still prefer the Gnome way of things | Feb 01 18:44 |
| ender2070 | if I wanted microsoft i'd run windows | Feb 01 18:44 |
| MarcusKoze | not considering the bad aspects (mono, wishing to separate from the GNU, etc) | Feb 01 18:44 |
| ender2070 | Gnome is the brainchild of Microsoft MVP Miguel De Icaza | Feb 01 18:45 |
| MarcusKoze | i used to give some honor to de icaza when i first heard he's a co-founder of the gnome project | Feb 01 18:45 |
| MarcusKoze | yeah i know | Feb 01 18:46 |
| MarcusKoze | i'd spit him in the eyes probably in the case of an encounter ... | Feb 01 18:46 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Feb 01 18:46 |
| ender2070 | i wouldnt do anything that harsh | Feb 01 18:46 |
| ender2070 | but he needs a pie to the face | Feb 01 18:46 |
| MarcusKoze | yeah or that | Feb 01 18:46 |
| ender2070 | bill gates style | Feb 01 18:46 |
| ender2070 | lol | Feb 01 18:47 |
| MarcusKoze | i'd pour some tabasco on that pie | Feb 01 18:49 |
| MarcusKoze | and throw it in his eyes | Feb 01 18:49 |
| MarcusKoze | let him suffer, friggin prick | Feb 01 18:49 |
| ender2070 | i dunno about that | Feb 01 18:49 |
| ender2070 | i don't want to cause him bodily harm | Feb 01 18:49 |
| MarcusKoze | anyway, i think i'd prefer LXDE over KDE for now | Feb 01 18:50 |
| ender2070 | theres an LXDE Fedora spin | Feb 01 18:50 |
| MarcusKoze | as i said, i think kde is too ... hm... whats the word ... too cluttered | Feb 01 18:50 |
| ender2070 | http://spins.fedoraproject.org/lxde/ | Feb 01 18:50 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: About Spin: LXDE .::. Size~: 12.27 KB | Feb 01 18:50 |
| MarcusKoze | would need some whitespacing, some paddings in the interface | Feb 01 18:50 |
| MarcusKoze | it's all and everything thrown there too close to each other | Feb 01 18:51 |
| MarcusKoze | i dont like that | Feb 01 18:51 |
| ender2070 | brb | Feb 01 18:51 |
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| trmanco | hey hey | Feb 01 18:53 |
| MarcusKoze | aloha | Feb 01 18:53 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Spock should have his own range of condoms called "Vulcanized Rubber" lol #StarTrek | Feb 01 18:54 | |
| ender2070 | buahahaha | Feb 01 18:54 |
| ender2070 | 2.6.32.7-37.fc12.x86_64 | Feb 01 18:54 |
| MarcusKoze | im taking it on a spin :) | Feb 01 18:59 |
| MarcusKoze | for* | Feb 01 18:59 |
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| ender2070 | :) | Feb 01 19:01 |
| amd-linux | Guten Abend. In case you missed this beautiful OpenOffice headline, here it is: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Study-21-of-German-PCs-run-OpenOffice-919501.html | Feb 01 19:01 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Study: > 21% of German PCs run OpenOffice - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 31.12 KB | Feb 01 19:01 |
| ender2070 | giving away openoffice - $0 | Feb 01 19:02 |
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| ender2070 | giving away MS office - $43,000,000 | Feb 01 19:02 |
| amd-linux | scary what you can find out via Flash on Windows - they used information that Flash gives away | Feb 01 19:02 |
| ender2070 | lol | Feb 01 19:03 |
| amd-linux | and are able to identify OO.org users as they browse by | Feb 01 19:03 |
| ender2070 | ROFL | Feb 01 19:03 |
| ender2070 | on windows you need "betterprivacy" to eliminate flash cookies | Feb 01 19:03 |
| amd-linux | i use it on linux to | Feb 01 19:04 |
| amd-linux | or I set a symlink for ~/.Macromedia to /tmp :-) | Feb 01 19:04 |
| ender2070 | .adobe too | Feb 01 19:04 |
| ender2070 | I use chromium too | Feb 01 19:05 |
| amd-linux | chromium rocks but the privacy settings are poor | Feb 01 19:05 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Xorg: last call for SGI impact http://is.gd/7uPxU and Sun sunbw2 http://is.gd/7uPE1 drivers - don't built in current Xorg, marked for death! | Feb 01 19:11 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Bug 26342 – xf86-video-impact can't find xf86Resources.h .::. Size~: 19.7 KB | Feb 01 19:11 |
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| trmanco | where is schestowitz ? | Feb 01 19:47 |
| tessier | Hope the MS Brute Squad didn't get him... | Feb 01 19:48 |
| trmanco | :/ | Feb 01 19:49 |
| trmanco | they didn't | Feb 01 19:54 |
| trmanco | they would confuse themselves halfway... | Feb 01 19:54 |
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| cubezzz | “Everybody is connected to everybody else, all data that can be shared will be shared will be shared: get used to it.” | Feb 01 20:11 |
| cubezzz | "will be shared" should only appear once | Feb 01 20:12 |
| cubezzz | hmmm, seems quieter today | Feb 01 20:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] 3 hour turnaround! RT @evan Important security alert for all versions of #statusnet, please upgrade immediately: http://ur1.ca/l8hi | Feb 01 20:15 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Important security alert for all versions of StatusNet | StatusNet .::. Size~: 18.31 KB | Feb 01 20:15 |
| MarcusKoze | who said that cubezzz | Feb 01 20:17 |
| MarcusKoze | ? | Feb 01 20:17 |
| MarcusKoze | was it stallman ? | Feb 01 20:17 |
| cubezzz | no | Feb 01 20:18 |
| cubezzz | Eben Moglen | Feb 01 20:18 |
| MarcusKoze | aw yeah | Feb 01 20:19 |
| MarcusKoze | forgot i' ve read that on BN | Feb 01 20:19 |
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| MarcusKoze | but that's as obvious as the blue on the sky ... | Feb 01 20:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] The prob with fanatics is that they demand 100% obedience, be that either GNU or Apple. Any practical, real world blend is not acceptable | Feb 01 20:20 | |
| cubezzz | here is a good quote: | Feb 01 20:20 |
| cubezzz | "Moglen believes the idea of proprietary software is as ludicrous as having "proprietary mathematics" or "proprietary geometry". | Feb 01 20:20 |
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| Ender2070 | lol | Feb 01 20:21 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.pwnage.ca/?q=node/12 | Feb 01 20:21 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Novell - Software Patents = Success | www.pwnage.ca .::. Size~: 7.84 KB | Feb 01 20:21 |
| Ender2070 | novell loves patents | Feb 01 20:21 |
| cubezzz | switched to drupal? | Feb 01 20:22 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Feb 01 20:22 |
| Ender2070 | its better anyways | Feb 01 20:22 |
| cubezzz | I use it | Feb 01 20:23 |
| Ender2070 | wordpress is kind of limited | Feb 01 20:23 |
| MarcusKoze | Ender2070: pwnage is yours ? | Feb 01 20:23 |
| MarcusKoze | i agree there | Feb 01 20:23 |
| MarcusKoze | about wordpress | Feb 01 20:23 |
| MarcusKoze | used to be fun customizing it, stopped being so | Feb 01 20:24 |
| cubezzz | hackers love attacking it though | Feb 01 20:25 |
| cubezzz | lately I've seen less attacks though | Feb 01 20:25 |
| cubezzz | arguement, should be argument btw :) | Feb 01 20:27 |
| Ender2070 | whoops | Feb 01 20:28 |
| Ender2070 | damn spell check | Feb 01 20:28 |
| Ender2070 | yeah pwnage.ca is mine | Feb 01 20:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@attackerman RT @TWI_news: #Obama Is Spending More on Defense Than #Bush http://bit.ly/amUxNV // why call it "defense" ? #war | Feb 01 20:30 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Obama Is Spending More on Defense Than Bush « The Washington Independent .::. Size~: 25.27 KB | Feb 01 20:30 |
| Ender2070 | gah lipton tea sucks | Feb 01 20:31 |
| Ender2070 | theres another conspiracy | Feb 01 20:31 |
| Ender2070 | the lack of regular black caffeine containing tea | Feb 01 20:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] to get people receptive to your message, it's key not to be an asshat, where they ignore you because of how you behave in preaching the word | Feb 01 20:33 | |
| Ender2070 | i like strong tea, and this liptons has no flavour despite being vanilla too | Feb 01 20:33 |
| Ender2070 | and its weak | Feb 01 20:33 |
| cubezzz | I find Tetley is pretty good | Feb 01 20:38 |
| cubezzz | some kinds of tea are weaker | Feb 01 20:38 |
| cubezzz | although I've never tried vanilla tea | Feb 01 20:39 |
| MarcusKoze | Ender2070: i think that theme has too small font size for the body of the article / paragraphs | Feb 01 20:42 |
| MarcusKoze | at least on my side here | Feb 01 20:42 |
| MarcusKoze | pretty dificult to read it, the characters overlap a bit to each other | Feb 01 20:43 |
| Ender2070 | cubezzz - its black tea with vanilla | Feb 01 20:44 |
| cubezzz | it's small for me too | Feb 01 20:44 |
| Ender2070 | weird | Feb 01 20:44 |
| Ender2070 | what screen res | Feb 01 20:44 |
| MarcusKoze | i have 1280 x 800 | Feb 01 20:44 |
| cubezzz | I'm 1280x1024 | Feb 01 20:44 |
| MarcusKoze | on a 15 inch wide laptop screen | Feb 01 20:45 |
| Ender2070 | ill look into it | Feb 01 20:45 |
| Ender2070 | I didnt have any issues with my notebook's 13.3 inch screen | Feb 01 20:46 |
| Ender2070 | 1280x800 | Feb 01 20:46 |
| cubezzz | let me try konqueror | Feb 01 20:46 |
| MarcusKoze | nac ? | Feb 01 20:46 |
| MarcusKoze | mac* ? | Feb 01 20:46 |
| Ender2070 | dell xps m1330 | Feb 01 20:46 |
| Ender2070 | fedora 12 w/ firefox, chome, konquerer | Feb 01 20:46 |
| MarcusKoze | hm | Feb 01 20:46 |
| Ender2070 | chrome* | Feb 01 20:46 |
| MarcusKoze | ubuntu karmic / firefox 3.5.7 | Feb 01 20:47 |
| Ender2070 | the theme received an update | Feb 01 20:47 |
| Ender2070 | ill update it | Feb 01 20:47 |
| cubezzz | tiny :) | Feb 01 20:47 |
| cubezzz | I have a 17" display | Feb 01 20:48 |
| MarcusKoze | can you receive file tranfers through chat client ? | Feb 01 20:48 |
| MarcusKoze | i have a screenshot if you wish | Feb 01 20:48 |
| Ender2070 | check it out again | Feb 01 20:50 |
| Ender2070 | theme updated | Feb 01 20:50 |
| MarcusKoze | nop | Feb 01 20:51 |
| MarcusKoze | nothing new for me | Feb 01 20:51 |
| MarcusKoze | still small | Feb 01 20:51 |
| Ender2070 | can you email me a screenshot? | Feb 01 20:53 |
| MarcusKoze | got a mail ? | Feb 01 20:53 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Feb 01 20:54 |
| Ender2070 | brandon @ that domain | Feb 01 20:54 |
| MarcusKoze | roger | Feb 01 20:54 |
| Ender2070 | ty | Feb 01 20:54 |
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| MarcusKoze | the theme is that Addari , right ? | Feb 01 20:55 |
| MarcusKoze | pfoa | Feb 01 20:55 |
| MarcusKoze | thats the original theme | Feb 01 20:56 |
| Ender2070 | yes | Feb 01 20:56 |
| MarcusKoze | from this demo: http://demosite.worthapost.com/?theme=addari | Feb 01 20:56 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Worthapost | Providing hope for Drupal users .::. Size~: 17.15 KB | Feb 01 20:56 |
| MarcusKoze | i see its the theme's fault | Feb 01 20:56 |
| MarcusKoze | its been design with that small font | Feb 01 20:56 |
| MarcusKoze | or maybe was coded on windows | Feb 01 20:56 |
| MarcusKoze | i dont know if i have the ms-core-fonts | Feb 01 20:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/microsoftpri0/2010946791_statelegislatureconsiderstaxbreakondatacenters.html "A business and city coalition called Washington Needs Jobs supports the legislation. Members include the city of Quincy; technology companies including Microsoft, Yahoo and VMWare; and developer Sabey." | Feb 01 20:57 |
| Ender2070 | oh maybe my eyes are just younger | Feb 01 20:57 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft Pri0 | State Legislature considers tax break for new data centers | Seattle Times Newspaper .::. Size~: 57.14 KB | Feb 01 20:57 |
| MarcusKoze | so maybe that's the cause, dont know | Feb 01 20:57 |
| cubezzz | it's not unreadable but it's rather small | Feb 01 20:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | another tax scam | Feb 01 20:57 |
| Ender2070 | reload | Feb 01 20:59 |
| Ender2070 | theme changed | Feb 01 20:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://content.usatoday.com/communities/technologylive/post/2010/02/windows-pirates-encouraged-to-install-security-updates/1 "TL: What assurance do Windows pirates have that Microsoft won't try to somehow penalize them when they download security patches? Microsoft: We like to work with customers who have non-genuine copies of Windows, and at the same time work to improve the overall health of the Internet by fig | Feb 01 20:59 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Windows pirates encouraged to install security patches - USATODAY.com .::. Size~: 28.81 KB | Feb 01 20:59 |
| MarcusKoze | Ender2070: thats better | Feb 01 20:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | In other words, there is no guarintee of no penality | Feb 01 21:00 |
| MarcusKoze | i mean from me here seems better (personal opnion) | Feb 01 21:00 |
| Ender2070 | I was thinking of changing it anyways because I didn't like the way it formatted the pictures | Feb 01 21:00 |
| Ender2070 | ill change the header graphic in this theme in the next few days | Feb 01 21:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | " TL: What percentage of Windows users worldwide are using pirated copies of Windows? Microsoft: Our research shows that up to a third of customers worldwide may be running counterfeit copies of Windows." | Feb 01 21:02 |
| cubezzz | hrmmm | Feb 01 21:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, and its XP too | Feb 01 21:03 |
| cubezzz | that's actually lower than I would have thought | Feb 01 21:03 |
| Ender2070 | wasn't it like 55%? | Feb 01 21:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] I appear to have made something that doesn't resemble humous at all. Silly me picking first google hit http://bit.ly/a1QUHE | Feb 01 21:03 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Veg Box Recipes • Classic Chick Pea Hummus .::. Size~: 19.08 KB | Feb 01 21:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | depends on the country | Feb 01 21:03 |
| cubezzz | how about the US? | Feb 01 21:03 |
| cubezzz | or Canada? | Feb 01 21:03 |
| MarcusKoze | Ender2070: so then i wont mail you that screenshot, no more need i say eh ? | Feb 01 21:05 |
| Ender2070 | yeah thats fine | Feb 01 21:05 |
| Ender2070 | im going to leave this theme up | Feb 01 21:05 |
| Ender2070 | i like it | Feb 01 21:05 |
| MarcusKoze | oki doki | Feb 01 21:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | They refuse to give the numbers by county in that link. What I have seen in other estimates is 21 or 22% for usa, 23% for Britian | Feb 01 21:05 |
| MarcusKoze | hm ACTUALLY | Feb 01 21:05 |
| Ender2070 | ill probably take a picture of my desk and use it for the header graphic | Feb 01 21:05 |
| MarcusKoze | ah dam' caps | Feb 01 21:05 |
| MarcusKoze | i'll actually send it to you and tell me how different is it from what you see | Feb 01 21:06 |
| MarcusKoze | if you dont mind | Feb 01 21:06 |
| Ender2070 | np | Feb 01 21:06 |
| MarcusKoze | i want to see if it's indeed the different fonts (as in if that theme was made with windos fonts in mind only) | Feb 01 21:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2010/02/01/group-pushes-for-change-in-washington-state/ | Feb 01 21:07 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Washington State Revisits Data Center Tax Break « Data Center Knowledge .::. Size~: 64.76 KB | Feb 01 21:07 |
| MarcusKoze | sent it | Feb 01 21:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | First it was the MS bridge, paid for with taxpayers money, and now the datacenter tax breaks | Feb 01 21:09 |
| MarcusKoze | comes from tekkro [at googles mail | Feb 01 21:09 |
| Ender2070 | MarcusKoze - odd, sort of what its supposed to look like | Feb 01 21:11 |
| MarcusKoze | :) | Feb 01 21:11 |
| Ender2070 | wasnt doing that for me though | Feb 01 21:11 |
| MarcusKoze | seemd way to small font size for me | Feb 01 21:11 |
| Ender2070 | the size seems right | Feb 01 21:12 |
| Ender2070 | but your font is different, doesnt scale that far down I think | Feb 01 21:12 |
| MarcusKoze | not in my book :) | Feb 01 21:12 |
| MarcusKoze | probably | Feb 01 21:12 |
| Ender2070 | anyways, I changed the theme | Feb 01 21:12 |
| Ender2070 | its bigger now | Feb 01 21:12 |
| Ender2070 | I like it better too | Feb 01 21:12 |
| MarcusKoze | havent checked the css, but might be some windows fonts and then the generic sans | Feb 01 21:12 |
| Ender2070 | i dont have windows fonts eitehr | Feb 01 21:13 |
| Ender2070 | either | Feb 01 21:13 |
| Ender2070 | wonder if it has anything to do with kde | Feb 01 21:13 |
| MarcusKoze | aw | Feb 01 21:13 |
| MarcusKoze | probably | Feb 01 21:13 |
| MarcusKoze | but lets forget about that :) the new theme is better, more readable | Feb 01 21:14 |
| cubezzz | I guess all those pre-loads reduces the piracy level | Feb 01 21:15 |
| MarcusKoze | or maybe they'd include a bunch of those in the piracy reports ;)) | Feb 01 21:15 |
| cubezzz | I wonder how many people don't want doze and end up paying for it | Feb 01 21:16 |
| MarcusKoze | wouldnt suprise me, it's ms ... | Feb 01 21:16 |
| Ender2070 | one pc repair shop I worked at installed xp with a ghost image because it was faster | Feb 01 21:16 |
| Ender2070 | same serial for like 100s of people | Feb 01 21:16 |
| Ender2070 | they're all crooks these days | Feb 01 21:17 |
| cubezzz | it's been like that since white-box pcs (and doze) existed | Feb 01 21:17 |
| Ender2070 | they sacrifice diagnostic quality for speed | Feb 01 21:17 |
| Ender2070 | one place made me guess at shit, wouldnt let me run any programs to test things | Feb 01 21:17 |
| Ender2070 | and it was my fault if I missed stuff | Feb 01 21:18 |
| cubezzz | sounds like crap :-) | Feb 01 21:18 |
| cubezzz | open up your shiny new Linux only PC store :) | Feb 01 21:19 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Feb 01 21:20 |
| Ender2070 | I'd love too, but that requires $$$ | Feb 01 21:20 |
| Ender2070 | I even had the idea of having a mini internet caffe too | Feb 01 21:21 |
| Ender2070 | inside the store | Feb 01 21:21 |
| MarcusKoze | would be cute | Feb 01 21:22 |
| Ender2070 | have customers subsidize my coffee | Feb 01 21:22 |
| Ender2070 | just charge them $2 an hr for unlimited coffee + internet access | Feb 01 21:22 |
| Ender2070 | or something | Feb 01 21:22 |
| MarcusKoze | i'd move in your store | Feb 01 21:24 |
| Ender2070 | LOL | Feb 01 21:24 |
| Ender2070 | "decaff? DECAFF? WE DONT HAVE NO STINKIN DECAFF!!!" | Feb 01 21:25 |
| MarcusKoze | :)) and no cream, no milk | Feb 01 21:26 |
| Ender2070 | i'd have those | Feb 01 21:26 |
| Ender2070 | I like cream in my coffee | Feb 01 21:26 |
| MarcusKoze | ""i need my catalizer .aaarrh" | Feb 01 21:26 |
| Ender2070 | oh vell | Feb 01 21:28 |
| Ender2070 | im off to read brave new world | Feb 01 21:28 |
| Ender2070 | later | Feb 01 21:29 |
| MarcusKoze | oki doki i think i'm going to bed, its midnight here | Feb 01 21:29 |
| MarcusKoze | have a nice day/evening/night whatever it's on your side of the world | Feb 01 21:30 |
| Ender2070 | afternoon :P | Feb 01 21:30 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Neopolitan ice cream! All the basic food groups covered in one bowl. Strawberry, vanilla, chocolate and sprinkles! #fb | Feb 01 21:39 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I am reading a Thom Holwerda OSNews piece titled: " Microsoft Cites Psystar Case in Xbox Antitrust Defence" Since Thom seemed to be Lumpy's buddy, I will not post the link | Feb 01 21:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But Thom's article does does reinforce my claim that MS would use this outcome to become more closed | Feb 01 21:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | In otherwords, since Pystar lost to Apple, things like broken by design is now reconized by the court as patentable and licencably. | Feb 01 21:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | efi chips and unfair eula's will rule the day at apple and ms | Feb 01 21:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | actually its a fair article by Thom | Feb 01 21:55 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | maybe this is a better clone for this story http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/microsoft_uses_apple_legal_defense_xbox_antitrust_trial | Feb 01 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | I'm back... | Feb 01 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Today I did an interview for Swiss and French television (http://www.tv5.org/ ), maybe US too. It lasted 3-4 hours and it was a lot of fun. They even paid me for it. :-) | Feb 01 22:49 |
| cubezzz | standards will win in the end | Feb 01 22:49 |
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| cubezzz | schestowitz, cool | Feb 01 22:50 |
| cubezzz | I wonder if FOSS is big in Swizterland | Feb 01 22:54 |
| cubezzz | Switzerland | Feb 01 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Fortunately there has not been much news in recent days, so I didn't miss much | Feb 01 22:55 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: it wasn't about FOSS at all | Feb 01 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Research rather | Feb 01 22:55 |
| cubezzz | Research about...? | Feb 01 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Accelerated process http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/accelerated-process | Feb 01 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: they learn how fear-mongering was used to make sales | Feb 01 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Y2K for example | Feb 01 23:01 |
| cubezzz | ah | Feb 01 23:01 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-10444879-261.html "Paradiso, a technical recruiter who works out of her home near Pueblo, Colo., would eventually be cleared. " | Feb 01 23:07 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Grandma endures wrongful ISP piracy suspension | Media Maverick - CNET News .::. Size~: 165.54 KB | Feb 01 23:07 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: http://www.enterpriseirregulars.com/11645/do-patents-slow-down-innovation/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+EIblogs+%28Enterprise+Irregulars%29 | Feb 01 23:08 |
| cubezzz | I always thought Y2K was stupid | Feb 01 23:08 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Do Patents Slow Down Innovation? .::. Size~: 48.56 KB | Feb 01 23:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | hummph. not even 3 strikes? | Feb 01 23:08 |
| oiaohm | MS eventually got audited reports out. schestowitz boy 2 days before dead line is cutting close. | Feb 01 23:08 |
| cubezzz | the computer I'm using now was built in 1998 :) | Feb 01 23:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and in USA | Feb 01 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: he says "piracy" | Feb 01 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Why do they repeat insults that are propaganda? | Feb 01 23:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I only linked the last one, because of what it shows, that ISP's are now becoming copyright cops | Feb 01 23:09 |
| cubezzz | ahhh | Feb 01 23:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | even in the USA | Feb 01 23:10 |
| cubezzz | not really | Feb 01 23:10 |
| cubezzz | unless there's stuff going on I'm not aware of | Feb 01 23:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | cubezzz> read the last link and decide for yourself | Feb 01 23:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-01-30-001-35-OS-HW | Feb 01 23:12 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Linux Today - Editor's Note: The More I Upgrade, the Worse It Gets .::. Size~: 85.3 KB | Feb 01 23:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The majority of new patent applications are in software and business methods, and that volume continues to grow: http://i5.be/ap6 | Feb 01 23:13 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Global CIO: Software Patents And The CIO -- InformationWeek .::. Size~: 81.29 KB | Feb 01 23:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, you seen the tax dodge of MS on the datacenter links? | Feb 01 23:14 |
| cubezzz | Chips_B_Malroy, Colorado? | Feb 01 23:14 |
| cubezzz | so USA | Feb 01 23:14 |
| cubezzz | in Canada that would never happen | Feb 01 23:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Yes cubezzz | Feb 01 23:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it will happen in Canada in time, they controlled by same mulitnationals as we are | Feb 01 23:15 |
| cubezzz | we have freenets | Feb 01 23:16 |
| cubezzz | non profit ISPs | Feb 01 23:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I believe you already have in Canada a tax on media blanks for copywrite infringement on music? | Feb 01 23:16 |
| cubezzz | we don't have DMCA either | Feb 01 23:16 |
| cubezzz | Chips_B_Malroy, yes | Feb 01 23:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | you will end up with more | Feb 01 23:17 |
| cubezzz | the situation is rather different | Feb 01 23:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, different, but not without the multinational winning over the population | Feb 01 23:17 |
| cubezzz | Chips_B_Malroy, I can personally vouch that my ISP does not packet sniff | Feb 01 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yes | Feb 01 23:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the trend is towards more control, more exploitation | Feb 01 23:18 |
| cubezzz | we also have the NCF | Feb 01 23:18 |
| cubezzz | I bet I have more freedom than anyone else here | Feb 01 23:19 |
| cubezzz | except for the tax on blanks :) | Feb 01 23:20 |
| schestowitz | http://microsofttaxdodge.com/2010/01/gregoire-proposes-to-redefine-economic-nexus.html | Feb 01 23:20 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Gregoire Proposes to Redefine Economic Nexus - Microsoft Tax Dodge .::. Size~: 30.59 KB | Feb 01 23:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the problem is, some of these big ISP's here, also are media companies as well, they are the multinationals | Feb 01 23:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | comcast is most likely one | Feb 01 23:21 |
| oiaohm | One of the isp's here is doign something interesting. cheep rates no p2p no vpn | Feb 01 23:21 |
| cubezzz | yeah I'm thinking comcast sucks | Feb 01 23:21 |
| oiaohm | blocked vpn suxs for people like me. | Feb 01 23:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] BGH found that processing, storing and transmitting data by a computer makes it technical and patentable: http://i5.be/ap7 | Feb 01 23:22 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Visae Patentes: Germany following the EPO approach to patentability of CII? .::. Size~: 77.43 KB | Feb 01 23:22 |
| cubezzz | you could keep shell accounts all over the world | Feb 01 23:22 |
| cubezzz | then just ssh into them | Feb 01 23:22 |
| oiaohm | Unfortanally they class ssh as vpn. | Feb 01 23:23 |
| cubezzz | hrmmm | Feb 01 23:23 |
| oiaohm | That is the problem. Cannot remote Linux boxs simplely with that ISP. | Feb 01 23:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | What is needed is a "Net user bill of rights." People should be able to use the internet fully, without the Extend type schemes being used. In otherwords, any codec or patentable format used on the web, should become public domain. | Feb 01 23:24 |
| cubezzz | sounds like something to avoid | Feb 01 23:24 |
| cubezzz | I'm actually thinking about going multi-ISP | Feb 01 23:25 |
| cubezzz | if I can find a cheap one | Feb 01 23:25 |
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| oiaohm | You can guess what is behind the ISP. | Feb 01 23:25 |
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| Guest97212 | http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=5736&tag=nl.e539 interesting | Feb 01 23:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | This Pystar case is going come back to haunt us somehow. | Feb 01 23:25 |
| cubezzz | next you're going to tell me it's a Microsoft ISP :) | Feb 01 23:26 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | cubezzz> I have no idea if their are "partners" with MS or not. MSN still exists for dialup users I believe. | Feb 01 23:27 |
| oiaohm | fox studios. Chips_B_Malroy | Feb 01 23:27 |
| oiaohm | opps wrong person cubezzz | Feb 01 23:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | They most likely do think alike | Feb 01 23:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and have almost the same level of greed | Feb 01 23:27 |
| cubezzz | show me one ISP in the USA which is good | Feb 01 23:28 |
| cubezzz | satellite? :) | Feb 01 23:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | <cubezzz> ask yourself which ISP's stand to gain from spying and turning in their own custermers? Suggest maybe the ones to gain the most are the ones that also have the media companies | Feb 01 23:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] I’m still obsessed with my mission to "abolish software patents" especially after an email of a “Patent Insurance Company” http://i5.be/ap8 | Feb 01 23:37 | |
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| cubezzz | Chips_B_Malroy, yeah and the free shell people seem to be disappearing too | Feb 01 23:37 |
| cubezzz | I'm not sure what the situation is in the U.S. exactly, but it seems bad | Feb 01 23:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS seems to be ramping up its WinMO PR, with the shills spreading more rumors of a Zunephone like MS cellphone | Feb 01 23:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | rumors and vaporware is cheap for MS though | Feb 01 23:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | had to post a comment at MS Watch again. That site is so lackluster, even Willcox had posts that were somewhat interesting at times. Nick just doesn't seem to have a clue how to write a story, with the right twist. Instead everything he writes, is almost word for word MS PR. | Feb 01 23:42 |
| cubezzz | yeah, I just can't get excited about Microsoft | Feb 01 23:44 |
| cubezzz | I just avoid them now | Feb 01 23:45 |
| cubezzz | bah, I'll reactivate with sdf I guess | Feb 01 23:47 |
| cubezzz | it's been a while | Feb 01 23:47 |
| schestowitz | "http://www.linux-wizard.net/blog-showing_files_metadata_under_kde_is_like_russian_roulette-307.html :-( http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzk0MQ Hmmmmmm... well, no big deal, I guess. | Feb 01 23:48 |
| schestowitz | @satipera I did an interview for Swiss and French television | Feb 01 23:49 |
| schestowitz | (http://www.tv5.org/ ), maybe US too. It was lot of fun, they paid me for it. | Feb 01 23:49 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Joe Brockmeier started writing for Ars Technica after leaving Novell. Great stuff! | Feb 01 23:49 | |
| schestowitz | Wow. | Feb 01 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Novell exhausted coupon shot in the arm | Feb 01 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is ditching them | Feb 01 23:50 |
| schestowitz | I think... hold on..... | Feb 01 23:50 |
| schestowitz | I'm seeing a lot of good news for Linux today.... | Feb 01 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: ping.. | Feb 01 23:51 |
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| ziggyfish | schestowitz, news like has Microsoft finally gone open source? | Feb 01 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, with a very BSD-like license for "plug-ins" to proprietary shit they sell for thousands of dollars | Feb 01 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | most written in .Net | Feb 01 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | it's not about freedom, it's about having unpaid developers giving them free code that they can closed-source later if they like | Feb 01 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | Codeplex, that is | Feb 01 23:56 |
| cubezzz | no one who "partners" with Microsoft ends up better off for it | Feb 01 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | bsd-licensed open source as an SDK for plug-ins is not new | Feb 01 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | Foobar2000 is as capable as it is through third party extensions not written by the author of Foobar2000 | Feb 01 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | he does a third of the work and gets all the benefits | Feb 01 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | sure it's freeware now, but he could start licensing it later for cash if he wants, and nobody can fork it | Feb 01 23:58 |
| cubezzz | this is the start of the non Microsoft era | Feb 01 23:58 |
| cubezzz | I have a non Microsoft ISP and a non Microsoft computer :) | Feb 01 23:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | <schestowitz> "Novell exhausted coupon shot in the arm Microsoft is ditching them" If you look back on the history of Novell and MS, its always been about MS killing Novell, just the present leader at Novell can't figure that one out. | Feb 01 23:59 |
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