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| DaemonFC | people that want to promote Windows point to Linux failing on store shelves in the year 2000 | Feb 06 00:00 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | that was back when Red hat hit COMPUSA | Feb 06 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | and it's not fair to compare Windows 7 to Mandrake Linux 8 | Feb 06 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 06 00:00 |
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| DaemonFC | which is what they're trying to do | Feb 06 00:01 |
| cubezzz | I didn't have much trouble in 2003 | Feb 06 00:01 |
| cubezzz | which is pretty close to 2000 | Feb 06 00:01 |
| cubezzz | I can't believe it was _that_ hard in 2000 | Feb 06 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | They want to compare modern Windows to 10 year old Linux to make their case that you should stick to Windows | Feb 06 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | that's the impression that Chris Pirillo and his ilk spew out | Feb 06 00:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | no, they will try anything to sway people | Feb 06 00:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> did Phillo give up on the Mac already | Feb 06 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | If car companies gould do that, you'd have GM comparing the 2010 Chevy to the 1989 Honda | Feb 06 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | *could | Feb 06 00:03 |
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| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy: Pirillo is a shill for the Mac and Windows | Feb 06 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft sends him free stuff all the time | Feb 06 00:03 |
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| DaemonFC | he was pecking away through one of his videos wearing a Windows Vista ball cap | Feb 06 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | the last time I saw him playing around with Linux, it was pretty obvious he had no idea what he was doing | Feb 06 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | for one, he was using Sabayon off the Live DVD | Feb 06 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | Sabayon makes a great Live DVD, but the hellaciously bad time starts with installing it | Feb 06 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | especially if you want to end up with GNOME | Feb 06 00:06 |
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| DaemonFC | it's bad either way, but it's twice as hard to properly install it with GNOME | Feb 06 00:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they, the mainstream tech bloggers, (M$ shills) have no kickbacks or advertising revenue, to gain from GNU/Linux | Feb 06 00:06 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | niether from OpenOffice | Feb 06 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | oh, I'm always for more cowbell, but try to install Sabayon, and sheesh | Feb 06 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 06 00:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | which was always my comment at MS Watch, Wilcox and now Nick, will never use the OpenOffice word | Feb 06 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | so I have to wonder why he was playing with Sabayon | Feb 06 00:07 |
| MinceR | what do they call OOo then? | Feb 06 00:08 |
| DaemonFC | possibly because it enabled 3d srivers, compositing, and lots of stuff on the Live environment | Feb 06 00:08 |
| DaemonFC | It does start off prettier than Ubuntu | Feb 06 00:09 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> common tactic of M$ shills posting comments on sites like MS Watch, was to say they used a distro like Gentoo, a really hard one not for newbies | Feb 06 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu looks like turd brown, but at least you can get the thing installed in under 20 minutes | Feb 06 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | Gentoo should die | Feb 06 00:09 |
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| DaemonFC | it really should DIE | Feb 06 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | even Linus Torvalds has stated that he won't use Gentoo because it makes things unreasonably difficult | Feb 06 00:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I stick to newbie distro's mostly, because I need to learn them first, so I can help others convert | Feb 06 00:10 |
| DaemonFC | so you know it's unreasonable | Feb 06 00:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But I am playing around with Arch right now | Feb 06 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | Torvalds mentioned in that interview that he prefers Fedora or Ubuntu | Feb 06 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | not these crazy Gentoo-like distros | Feb 06 00:11 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | In my mind, its not very easy if (god forbid) I have to read something | Feb 06 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | well, I don't want to have to compile everything | Feb 06 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | that's just stupid | Feb 06 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | give me an RPM and be done with it! | Feb 06 00:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but still, lot of people seem to like it, so I will continue | Feb 06 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | you know? | Feb 06 00:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | a deb or an rpm is fine for me | Feb 06 00:12 |
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| cubezzz | I compile almost everything anyway | Feb 06 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | I've just never seen a compelling reason for Gentoo to exist other than to promote BSD penis envy | Feb 06 00:12 |
| cubezzz | for z, for fc1 :) | Feb 06 00:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I can go the make, make install route, but why? | Feb 06 00:12 |
| cubezzz | for porting | Feb 06 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | I only bust out the compiler if it's not in my repo for some reason | Feb 06 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | it's never ever my first choice | Feb 06 00:13 |
| cubezzz | Sharp isn't updating there software for zaurus | Feb 06 00:13 |
| cubezzz | one example | Feb 06 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | I had to compile Sauerbraten in Mandriva | Feb 06 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | it's not a huge deal | Feb 06 00:14 |
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| DaemonFC | Fedora won't package it either | Feb 06 00:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> lot of very smart people at Gentoo, I have surfed their forums and found sound anwsers to a few hardware alsa problems on old laptops for example | Feb 06 00:14 |
| cubezzz | got the new Dell catalog :) | Feb 06 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | I guess I'm just opposed to things acting up to begin with | Feb 06 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | when it's something obscure I can kind of understand, but when it's hardware that millions of people have? No. Not acceptable | Feb 06 00:15 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Its about choice, Gentoo is not for you and me, but some like the challage, and at least we have the choice | Feb 06 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | any kind of test cycle should flush out problems in common hardware | Feb 06 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | there's no excuse for it to ship with a problem that affects half of the people with a GPU | Feb 06 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 06 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | for example | Feb 06 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | or with a Pulseaudio bug that cripples intel hda | Feb 06 00:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I just hate to always reinvent the wheel, when somebody is going make an easy to use distro, why not use it? | Feb 06 00:16 |
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| DaemonFC | if you're going to cripple millions of computers for something that slightly benefits everyone else, just don't ship it like that | Feb 06 00:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | My only real interest in Ubuntu is as a system to sell on older computers in ebay | Feb 06 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | Pulseaudio or Mandriva Speedboot are the dumbest things I've seen done in Linux | Feb 06 00:17 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | it has name reconiztion | Feb 06 00:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but mono and gnome are not my thing | Feb 06 00:18 |
| ender2070 | stop being dumb | Feb 06 00:18 |
| ender2070 | pulseaudio is awesome | Feb 06 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | I had to extensively hand edit my Pulseaudio configuration to get glitch-free mode working right | Feb 06 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | not good | Feb 06 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | I had to turn off Speedboot to get it to load my ATI FGLRX driver | Feb 06 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | not good | Feb 06 00:18 |
| ender2070 | mandriva anything is bad | Feb 06 00:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> besides Vi$ta7, are you using Sidux now? | Feb 06 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: I've seen plenty of Ubuntu fuckups | Feb 06 00:19 |
| ender2070 | so have I | Feb 06 00:19 |
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| ender2070 | ubuntu is only a little better | Feb 06 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy: Windows 7 is on hiatus until I can find my serial number | Feb 06 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | as in, not on my PC | Feb 06 00:19 |
| MinceR | lulz | Feb 06 00:19 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yes, I have that story in several place (Gassée) | Feb 06 00:19 |
| schestowitz | You can search for it | Feb 06 00:20 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - did your pirate copy deactivate itself? | Feb 06 00:20 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, I guessed that | Feb 06 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: No, I fucked up and clobbered it and I can't find my manual where I stuck the COA label | Feb 06 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | it's not a big deal, I have a Windows Server 2008 R2 license if I really need Windows back for whatever reason | Feb 06 00:21 |
| ender2070 | the manual you speak of is serial.txt | Feb 06 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | no, it's a promo upgrade deal | Feb 06 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | from Vista | Feb 06 00:21 |
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| *MinceR thinks DaemonFC will like http://www.zoitz.com/archives/19 | Feb 06 00:21 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: zoitz » Blog Archive » Drink it, dont burn it. .::. Size~: 11.44 KB | Feb 06 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | I stuck the COA label in the manual cause I figured it would be easier to retrieve from there than on the back of the PC case | Feb 06 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 06 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | I was wrong | Feb 06 00:22 |
| ender2070 | noob | Feb 06 00:22 |
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| DaemonFC | I probably threw the manual away with a stack of hospital bills or something | Feb 06 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | fuck em both | Feb 06 00:22 |
| cubezzz | serial.txt, what is that? :) | Feb 06 00:22 |
| ender2070 | his manual | Feb 06 00:23 |
| ender2070 | from piratebay | Feb 06 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | I got it in the Windows 7 upgrade program from Vista | Feb 06 00:23 |
| ender2070 | .torrent | Feb 06 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | they include this little card that you can go to their site with and punch in the numbers on it | Feb 06 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | and they mail you a Windows 7 disc | Feb 06 00:24 |
| ender2070 | sounds like a conspiracy theory | Feb 06 00:24 |
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| ender2070 | hoax | Feb 06 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: If I really wanted to pirate something, it would not be Home Premium | Feb 06 00:25 |
| MinceR | obviously a hoax, there's even the warning label | Feb 06 00:25 |
| MinceR | it says "Microsoft" | Feb 06 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | I could easily just edit the SLIC in my BIOS and have Windows 7 Ultimate | Feb 06 00:25 |
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| ender2070 | They say that if you play a microsoft cd backwards you hear Satan | Feb 06 00:25 |
| ender2070 | That's nothing, if you play it forwards it installs Windows | Feb 06 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | heard it before | Feb 06 00:26 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 06 00:26 |
| ender2070 | well | Feb 06 00:26 |
| ender2070 | this mandriva thing is lame | Feb 06 00:26 |
| ender2070 | scale of distros: | Feb 06 00:27 |
| MinceR | osx install cds are similar | Feb 06 00:27 |
| MinceR | if you play them backwards, you hear Satan | Feb 06 00:27 |
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| ender2070 | Fedora-KDE > Kubuntu > OpenSuSE > Mandriva | Feb 06 00:27 |
| ender2070 | and others in between | Feb 06 00:27 |
| MinceR | if you play them forwards, it detects that it doesn't support your computer and fails to install | Feb 06 00:27 |
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| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy: If you have an ATI Radeon you can stay back on X Server 1.6.x and have 100% of it work half-assed with the FGLRX driver, or you can step forward onto a distro that uses X Server 1.7.x and have 90% of it work pretty well and 10% not work at all | Feb 06 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | choices are wonderful, right? | Feb 06 00:28 |
| MinceR | ati is wonderful | Feb 06 00:29 |
| ender2070 | or | Feb 06 00:29 |
| ender2070 | get nvidia and have proper drivers | Feb 06 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Binary | Feb 06 00:29 |
| ender2070 | or intel and have foss drivers that work excellent | Feb 06 00:29 |
| MinceR | halfway proper, anyway | Feb 06 00:29 |
| MinceR | indeed | Feb 06 00:29 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: no | Feb 06 00:29 |
| cubezzz | text mode dudes :) | Feb 06 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Intel sucks b* | Feb 06 00:29 |
| schestowitz | So I hear | Feb 06 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | get Nvidia and be trapped on a proprietary driver indefinitely | Feb 06 00:29 |
| ender2070 | ati is the worst | Feb 06 00:29 |
| schestowitz | They have issues too, but there's source code | Feb 06 00:29 |
| ender2070 | nvidia above ati | Feb 06 00:29 |
| MinceR | i have good experience with the intel GPU i have | Feb 06 00:29 |
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| DaemonFC | I'll step forward onto the open source ATI driver probably within the year | Feb 06 00:30 |
| ender2070 | theres nouveau which will get better over time | Feb 06 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | it's just not quite "there" yet | Feb 06 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | but it's close | Feb 06 00:30 |
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| ender2070 | my next laptop is gonna have intel graphics though for sure | Feb 06 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | nouveau........what TANGIBLE improvements towards 3d accelerated OpenGL have they made, ender2070? | Feb 06 00:31 |
| ender2070 | only hardware with foss drivers | Feb 06 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | I mean like, any? | Feb 06 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | and for modern cards? | Feb 06 00:31 |
| ender2070 | nouveau - i hardly use 3d at the moment | Feb 06 00:31 |
| ender2070 | nouveau - its fine for my notebook | Feb 06 00:31 |
| ender2070 | for my desktop I use the nvidia blob | Feb 06 00:31 |
| ender2070 | performs better than anything from ati | Feb 06 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | the way I gather it, it has accelerated 2d that's much smoother than nv, power management support, and KMS | Feb 06 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | which is all very nice compared to NV | Feb 06 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | but it's not making your nice card work properly | Feb 06 00:32 |
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| ender2070 | its fine for my notebook | Feb 06 00:32 |
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| ender2070 | if I want to play a game I reboot with blob support, which is rare | Feb 06 00:33 |
| DaemonFC | so nouveau is useful for people with very old Nvidia chipsets embedded into laptops that never see any gaming | Feb 06 00:33 |
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| DaemonFC | OK, well, it's useful for someone, that someone is not me :) | Feb 06 00:33 |
| MinceR | it will probably be useful for me when i turn my dell craptop into my new home server | Feb 06 00:33 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I'd recommend it over nv, that's about it | Feb 06 00:33 |
| ender2070 | ati doesnt have a card that can outperform an nvidia card in linux, open source or not | Feb 06 00:33 |
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| MinceR | not even the newest, fastest ati card can outperform some ancient nvidia card? | Feb 06 00:35 |
| ender2070 | when you match the two best | Feb 06 00:35 |
| ender2070 | sure new > old | Feb 06 00:35 |
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| ender2070 | i had a 4850, I replaced it with a 9800GTX+ | Feb 06 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.techeye.net/software/amd-and-nvidia-bitchfight-over-open-source-support | Feb 06 00:36 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: AMD and Nvidia bitchfight over open source support | Software news | TechEye - All the technology news unfit for print .::. Size~: 26.43 KB | Feb 06 00:36 |
| ender2070 | in windows benchmarks, they are neck-neck | Feb 06 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | They [Nvidia] do NOTHING for the open source community,” he added, only to backtrack very slightly to say, “they do offer an open source driver called NV, but it’s very basic, and only really helps you get on the internet so you can download their proprietary drivers.” | Feb 06 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Feb 06 00:36 |
| ender2070 | in linux, the nvidia has like 50 extra FPS | Feb 06 00:36 |
| cubezzz | is there a list of FOSS video drivers somewhere? | Feb 06 00:36 |
| cubezzz | I'm digging through what I have and it's not clear what the driver names are | Feb 06 00:37 |
| ender2070 | i would love a foss video card that would beat nvidia on benchmarks | Feb 06 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: I doubt Nvidia will stay on top for long | Feb 06 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | I give them another year | Feb 06 00:37 |
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| cubezzz | I'm looking at /usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2199.nptl/drivers/video | Feb 06 00:37 |
| ender2070 | i dont think ATI will do it | Feb 06 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia is going to get their asses kicked by the FOSS ATI drivers | Feb 06 00:38 |
| MinceR | when? | Feb 06 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | they already do get their asses kicked on the budget cards | Feb 06 00:38 |
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| DaemonFC | especially integrated | Feb 06 00:38 |
| MinceR | intel works better there | Feb 06 00:38 |
| MinceR | http://www.zoitz.com/archives/6 | Feb 06 00:38 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: zoitz » Blog Archive » Celebration .::. Size~: 12.8 KB | Feb 06 00:38 |
| cubezzz | ok, I just learned something :) | Feb 06 00:39 |
| cubezzz | linux/drivers/video/sa1100fb.c | Feb 06 00:39 |
| cubezzz | StrongARM 1100 LCD Controller Frame Buffer Driver | Feb 06 00:40 |
| cubezzz | is the frame buffer driver the same as the video driver? | Feb 06 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | AMD's spokesperson is saying by May you're going to see the FOSS driver outdoing FGLRX | Feb 06 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | I can live with that | Feb 06 00:40 |
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| ender2070 | lol | Feb 06 00:40 |
| ender2070 | thats too long | Feb 06 00:41 |
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| DaemonFC | when will Nouveau perform better than "nvidia"? | Feb 06 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 06 00:41 |
| ender2070 | their 5000 series driver was aweful | Feb 06 00:41 |
| MinceR | fglrx is a lot easier to outdo than nvidia | Feb 06 00:42 |
| Aondo | DaemonFC, nouveau project do have a harder time no with no documentation :D | Feb 06 00:42 |
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| MinceR | i hoped intel would come out with a high-end GPU, but they didn't | Feb 06 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia as a company is despicable on several ethical fronts at once | Feb 06 00:42 |
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| ender2070 | larabee was vapourware | Feb 06 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | that's why I didn't buy another one of their cards | Feb 06 00:43 |
| ender2070 | :( | Feb 06 00:43 |
| MinceR | meanwhile amd is merely incapable of writing drivers that don't suck | Feb 06 00:43 |
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| ender2070 | it seems they are open source so people will finish them | Feb 06 00:44 |
| cubezzz | it seems like all these drivers are "frame buffers" | Feb 06 00:44 |
| cubezzz | oh well, I guess I'll ask the noveau people | Feb 06 00:45 |
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| cubezzz | I thought the vga driver source would have been vga.c or something | Feb 06 00:46 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 06 00:46 |
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| DaemonFC | Nvidia has one party line, let me give you the gist of it. Q: "Why don't you help the open source community at all?" Nvidia: "Our Linux customers use Nvidia because we provide the best experience and the professional customers we support want high quality, fast performing drivers." "Q: Why not just provide some documentation?" Nvidia: "This [proprietary binary crap] business model funds and enables us to produce better enterprise | Feb 06 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | they deflect the question | Feb 06 00:47 |
| DaemonFC | or offer an offensively honest answer | Feb 06 00:47 |
| MinceR | i thought the official answer is more along the lines of not being allowed to disclose certain intellectual monopolies | Feb 06 00:47 |
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| DaemonFC | They should just say "The binary-only driver lets us fuck you even harder in the ass and when it fails, you have NO CLUE why!" | Feb 06 00:48 |
| DaemonFC | "Oh, was that still recording? Shit!" | Feb 06 00:48 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 06 00:48 |
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| DaemonFC | "PS: No, we're never going to let you up for air" | Feb 06 00:49 |
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| MinceR | not even if a competitor forces them to? :> | Feb 06 00:50 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia is more evil than Microsoft | Feb 06 00:51 |
| MinceR | hardly | Feb 06 00:51 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm not talking about just as a business | Feb 06 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | their board of directors are a bunch of homophobes and white supremecists | Feb 06 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | I avoided using the term for that because I didn't want to invoke "Godwin's Law" | Feb 06 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | now, they might not be able to march people to death camps, but they do what they can with what they've got | Feb 06 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | namely, cash | Feb 06 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | lots of it | Feb 06 00:53 |
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| DaemonFC | every time some neo-conservative cause is on a ballot, look at the Nvidia guys all rushing to chip in the maximum funding the law allows | Feb 06 00:54 |
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| DaemonFC | they just so happened to get outed on that "Prop H8" crapfest because the law says the donor lists are public | Feb 06 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | they funneled $50,000 into getting it passed | Feb 06 00:55 |
| MinceR | i didn't know that | Feb 06 00:55 |
| MinceR | do you have any references? | Feb 06 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | oh yeah, it's in a PDF I downloaded at one point, who all donated to that | Feb 06 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | and how much | Feb 06 00:56 |
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| DaemonFC | and all their names and addresses | Feb 06 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4396400&mesg_id=4396400 | Feb 06 00:57 |
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| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Democratic Underground - Boycott the funders of Prop 8. Here's just a few to go after NOW. - Democratic Underground .::. Size~: 42.71 KB | Feb 06 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | I'll try to get something better | Feb 06 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | oh, $15,000 | Feb 06 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | still, damn | Feb 06 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | "The maker of video cards apparently wants to paint a new picture of the world, one without gay rights, as evidenced by $15,000 in donations from their executives. Don't buy NVIDIA graphics cards, and don't buy any machines pre-built with them. Instead, let the companies using them know that you don't support people who support hate." | Feb 06 00:57 |
| MinceR | is this generally referred to as "Prop 8"? | Feb 06 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Feb 06 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | I refer to it as Prop H8, pronounced "Hate" | Feb 06 00:58 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 06 00:58 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: It sets a terrible precedent, that our civil liberties are all just subject to an up or down vote | Feb 06 00:59 |
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| DaemonFC | that's why they want to go for it in every state | Feb 06 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | it'll start out with gay rights and then before you know it, it's the dark ages again, brought to you by Jesus Inc. | Feb 06 01:00 |
| MinceR | civil liberties are indeed subject to voting in this system | Feb 06 01:00 |
| MinceR | the question is what you do with them | Feb 06 01:01 |
| DaemonFC | enjoy them while you have them, before the masses come and take them all away | Feb 06 01:01 |
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| cubezzz | bah | Feb 06 01:01 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think anything should be on a ballot for the voters to decide other than their elected officials | Feb 06 01:02 |
| ender2070 | mandriva = lame | Feb 06 01:02 |
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| DaemonFC | especially not anything relating to the constitution of any state or the federal government | Feb 06 01:02 |
| DaemonFC | all the activists have to do is convince enough free-range stupid to vote for something | Feb 06 01:03 |
| DaemonFC | and it's the law | Feb 06 01:03 |
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| MinceR | generally, i think it can be expected of current constitutions to prohibit voting to discriminate against a minority of the voters on grounds like this | Feb 06 01:05 |
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| MinceR | and then that prohibition should be upheld | Feb 06 01:05 |
| cubezzz | wow, I can't even talk in nouveau :-/ | Feb 06 01:06 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, there is no right to vote in the US | Feb 06 01:06 |
| DaemonFC | the states are free to prevent anyone from voting | Feb 06 01:06 |
| DaemonFC | for almost any reason | Feb 06 01:06 |
| DaemonFC | this is the grounds they use to disqualify felons, but it could be applied to anyone | Feb 06 01:07 |
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| DaemonFC | the states could start saying that anyone with a misdemeanor can't vote, that gets rid of a lot of people who are likely to be poor or minorities | Feb 06 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | they don't have to say it's cause you're poor, gay, or black | Feb 06 01:08 |
| oiaohm | http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10623790 Nice articial. | Feb 06 01:09 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Adam Gifford: Open source route frees the mind - Technology - NZ Herald News .::. Size~: 65.58 KB | Feb 06 01:09 |
| oiaohm | misdemeanor would get rid of lot of the rich as well DaemonFC | Feb 06 01:09 |
| cubezzz | no luck :-/ | Feb 06 01:09 |
| MinceR | companies getting involved in a proposition like this is disturbing | Feb 06 01:09 |
| MinceR | it's none of their business | Feb 06 01:09 |
| cubezzz | I guess I'll just buy a book on Linux drivers | Feb 06 01:09 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: When is the last time you say a rich person convicted of any petty crime? | Feb 06 01:09 |
| DaemonFC | they pay their way out of a conviction | Feb 06 01:10 |
| oiaohm | To be correct new money rich people. DaemonFC | Feb 06 01:10 |
| DaemonFC | you basically have to murder someone to be convicted of anything if you're rich enough | Feb 06 01:10 |
| oiaohm | Ie some of the ones that used crime and some of the ones purscuted by the other rich to try to prevent them from becoming rich. DaemonFC | Feb 06 01:10 |
| oiaohm | Not all the rich today started that way. | Feb 06 01:11 |
| cubezzz | Winona Ryder was busted for shop lifting | Feb 06 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: I'd hire a hitman if I was rich | Feb 06 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | just tell him, don't tell me how or when you're going to do it | Feb 06 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | the less I know, the better | Feb 06 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | here's the money | Feb 06 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 06 01:11 |
| oiaohm | Problem with hiring a hitman some of them are nasty. | Feb 06 01:12 |
| oiaohm | Ie blackmail you for the rest of your days. DaemonFC | Feb 06 01:12 |
| oiaohm | Fail to pay blackmail don't live much longer. | Feb 06 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | put a price on the hitman too, so if he rats you out, then he gets suicided in prison | Feb 06 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 06 01:12 |
| oiaohm | Also some kinda a preventive about that. | Feb 06 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | or better yet | Feb 06 01:13 |
| oiaohm | Ie kill target take money kill paying person as well. | Feb 06 01:13 |
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| oiaohm | No problems. | Feb 06 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | hire a hitman to kill the hitman after the first hitman kills the target | Feb 06 01:13 |
| oiaohm | And hope the last hitman is not a client killer. | Feb 06 01:13 |
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| MinceR | by the way, aren't these companies accountable for wasting the money of their shareholders on obviously non-business matters like this? | Feb 06 01:13 |
| cubezzz | sorry hitman, I can't afford to pay you :) | Feb 06 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: They're donating it out of their personal salary | Feb 06 01:14 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: it always half in advance. | Feb 06 01:14 |
| MinceR | how did the company names come up then? | Feb 06 01:14 |
| oiaohm | You pay the other half if you want to live. | Feb 06 01:14 |
| cubezzz | I can imagine | Feb 06 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: They have to list their employer and position with that employer on the donation form | Feb 06 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | it's the law | Feb 06 01:14 |
| oiaohm | Company law in most countries sux. | Feb 06 01:15 |
| oiaohm | China is about the only one that has it close to right. Wasting shareholders money is a fireing squad offence in china., | Feb 06 01:16 |
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| DaemonFC | https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=lucid | Feb 06 01:17 |
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| MinceR | ic | Feb 06 01:17 |
| DaemonFC | That's what you want if you're wanting to use the open source ATI driver | Feb 06 01:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 06 01:17 |
| DaemonFC | updated from GIT every day | Feb 06 01:17 |
| MinceR | in that case the source of these payments are actually a subset of the employees of those companies | Feb 06 01:17 |
| DaemonFC | as soon ass it has what you need, you'll be the first to know | Feb 06 01:17 |
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| MinceR | how do you know that this reflects company policy? | Feb 06 01:18 |
| DaemonFC | *as | Feb 06 01:18 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: Company policy might be totally different, usually the company will have stricter anti-harassment terms of employment than the law requires | Feb 06 01:18 |
| oiaohm | The worse thing is that golden hand shakes. Ie you screw up the company you can still be paid a bonous. What reason do you have to perform. | Feb 06 01:18 |
| DaemonFC | just to be safe | Feb 06 01:18 |
| DaemonFC | like, there's no law that says another employee can't harass me for being gay, but I can still sue the company over that and maybe win | Feb 06 01:19 |
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| oiaohm | Its not only that if staff fell that they can be under harassment you have a higher turn over of staff so more costs. | Feb 06 01:20 |
| DaemonFC | they want to show that the behavior is not tolerated there, so will usually fire the person who did the harassing to show that they weren't just ignoring you and letting it go on | Feb 06 01:20 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: my point is that there's a chance that boycotts like that one are misdirected. | Feb 06 01:20 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: There's an official version of their company policy, and unofficially, there's the personal views of their management | Feb 06 01:20 |
| DaemonFC | what's stated might not be how things really are, is my point | Feb 06 01:21 |
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| DaemonFC | it's not what you say, it's how you say it | Feb 06 01:21 |
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| DaemonFC | it's not that you're discriminating against someone, it's how you justify it on the surface | Feb 06 01:21 |
| oiaohm | I like a interesting one recently. | Feb 06 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | Theoretical: Maybe I want to fire some guy for being black, so I fire him and state low work performance. | Feb 06 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | that kind of thing | Feb 06 01:22 |
| oiaohm | A few closed source driver makers for Linux got upset when a few interal functions changed from all use to GPL only. | Feb 06 01:22 |
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| oiaohm | Issue is that those are now using IBM RCU patent. | Feb 06 01:22 |
| oiaohm | That is only licenced to be used with GPL code. | Feb 06 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Feb 06 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | I don't feel sorry for them | Feb 06 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | license the driver GPL and there won't be a conflict | Feb 06 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | you'll better serve your customers if it's already there :) | Feb 06 01:23 |
| MinceR | indeed | Feb 06 01:23 |
| oiaohm | Now who fells like trying to get a good deal out of IBM on the patents. | Feb 06 01:23 |
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| MinceR | the question is how much money are they willing to pay IBM for the right to screw their customers :> | Feb 06 01:24 |
| oiaohm | Basically patents are double sided. Some closed source driver makers just were on the wrong side. | Feb 06 01:24 |
| oiaohm | IBM has not licenced it to anyone other than Open Source for use with GPL code. | Feb 06 01:25 |
| oiaohm | So price tag is most likely scary. | Feb 06 01:25 |
| oiaohm | also thinking that the RCU code was designed inside IBM's own closed source Unix. | Feb 06 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: So they're dual licensing it then? | Feb 06 01:26 |
| oiaohm | Ie IBM can use it. GPL code can use it no one else. | Feb 06 01:26 |
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| oiaohm | IBM has even blocked LGPL from using it. | Feb 06 01:27 |
| oiaohm | This is just one of the Linux kernel patent traps for the non careful. | Feb 06 01:27 |
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| oiaohm | I don't feel even the slight be sorry for the closed source driver makers on Linux. DaemonFC | Feb 06 01:31 |
| jweyrich | hi guys :) | Feb 06 01:32 |
| oiaohm | Hi jweyrich | Feb 06 01:32 |
| jweyrich | what's up oiaohm ? | Feb 06 01:33 |
| oiaohm | Nothing much other than a few closed source driver makers end up get upset that a few functions in the Linux kernel have changed to GPL only because of a IBM patent. | Feb 06 01:34 |
| oiaohm | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/02/06/0113229/Google-Docs-Replaces-OpenOffice-In-Ubuntu-Netbook-Edition You got to be kidding me. | Feb 06 01:35 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot Linux Story | Google Docs Replaces OpenOffice In Ubuntu Netbook Edition .::. Size~: 63.43 KB | Feb 06 01:35 |
| oiaohm | What is ubuntu run by dumb and dumber | Feb 06 01:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: are you on your meds? you're actually making sense today. :) | Feb 06 01:35 |
| jweyrich | well, they should open-source their drivers :) | Feb 06 01:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: boa noite | Feb 06 01:36 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: boa noite!! tudo bem? | Feb 06 01:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: sim. to bebendo um copinho de vinho tinto. e vc? | Feb 06 01:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | ergo, it could be said, I'm on my meds, too. | Feb 06 01:37 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: estava sem energia elétrica até poucos minutos. ontem também. :( | Feb 06 01:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: ahhhh | Feb 06 01:37 |
| jweyrich | that fuck'd my day. | Feb 06 01:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: hoje o seu colega me perguntou sobre as fotos dele, e achei algumas de vc e a sua ex-gf risos | Feb 06 01:37 |
| oiaohm | http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/05/2345210/Oh-What-a-Lovely-Standards-War And this is even more funny. silverlight being used to assist uptake of ogg play back support with html5 tags | Feb 06 01:38 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot News Story | Oh, What a Lovely Standards War .::. Size~: 142.76 KB | Feb 06 01:38 |
| amarsh04 | Freenode's ipv6 connections have been very iffy for me | Feb 06 01:38 |
| oiaohm | We seam to be having loony bin day. | Feb 06 01:38 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: hahaha! yeah, I guess I copied those from your flickr | Feb 06 01:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: :) | Feb 06 01:38 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: ipv6 still does not route well accross the internet. | Feb 06 01:39 |
| oiaohm | Not enough ipv6 supporting servers. | Feb 06 01:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: ainda ta falando com ela? ou terminou tudo risos | Feb 06 01:39 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: nós conversamos, sem problemas | Feb 06 01:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | tudo bem | Feb 06 01:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: manda o meu abraco | Feb 06 01:40 |
| jweyrich | your portuguese looks perfect | Feb 06 01:40 |
| jweyrich | manderei :) | Feb 06 01:40 |
| jweyrich | mandarei** | Feb 06 01:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Feb 06 01:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: obrigado ! | Feb 06 01:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: (e sobre o cumprimento sobre o meu Pt) | Feb 06 01:41 |
| jweyrich | hahaha. np | Feb 06 01:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: I don't know where Senhor rnb is lately ... | Feb 06 01:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | lurking silently | Feb 06 01:41 |
| jweyrich | yeh. looks like you've been training! | Feb 06 01:41 |
| jweyrich | yeah, he didn't answer my msgs few days ago | Feb 06 01:41 |
| jweyrich | disappeared. | Feb 06 01:41 |
| jweyrich | maybe kidnapped. | Feb 06 01:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | heh | Feb 06 01:42 |
| jweyrich | http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24759/ | Feb 06 01:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | i hope not. | Feb 06 01:42 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Technology Review: Blogs: arXiv blog: Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy .::. Size~: 268.5 KB | Feb 06 01:42 |
| jweyrich | did you read that? | Feb 06 01:42 |
| *FurnaceBoy touches wood | Feb 06 01:42 | |
| FurnaceBoy | i saw the headline. | Feb 06 01:42 |
| jweyrich | I just can't believe it's true. anyway, let's see how it goes | Feb 06 01:43 |
| cubezzz | weird | Feb 06 01:43 |
| jweyrich | that might be the biggest step in centuries. | Feb 06 01:44 |
| jweyrich | not sure whether it's good or not | Feb 06 01:44 |
| cubezzz | like cold fusion? :) | Feb 06 01:44 |
| jweyrich | no. coldfusion remembres me adobe :P | Feb 06 01:45 |
| jweyrich | remembers* | Feb 06 01:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Seriously, good red #wine, if all else fails, will wash away all your cares, temporarily. Thanks, #LCBO, good drops! | Feb 06 01:45 | |
| cubezzz | I remember people going on about the "Hutchison Effect" | Feb 06 01:46 |
| cubezzz | he had make a bunch of strange claims | Feb 06 01:47 |
| cubezzz | time will tell if it leads to anything or not | Feb 06 01:48 |
| cubezzz | it took a while for the steam engine to catch on | Feb 06 01:48 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24759/ Hmm we might at long last have the solution to the age of problem of deep space probes needing nuke power. | Feb 06 01:49 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Technology Review: Blogs: arXiv blog: Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy .::. Size~: 268.5 KB | Feb 06 01:49 |
| cubezzz | could star trek's subspace radio become real? :) | Feb 06 01:54 |
| tessier | Not really. | Feb 06 01:55 |
| tessier | There is still the speed of light delay. | Feb 06 01:55 |
| tessier | Although this could help with signal strength. | Feb 06 01:55 |
| tessier | But like most things technologyreview posts it is still so theoretical that practical application remains in the unknowable future. | Feb 06 01:56 |
| cubezzz | it's amazing to think they can send messages back and forth from Mars though | Feb 06 01:56 |
| tessier | They can do that already | Feb 06 01:56 |
| cubezzz | yes :) | Feb 06 01:56 |
| oiaohm | Teleport by intanglement bypasses the speed of light problem. | Feb 06 02:01 |
| oiaohm | Ie its not really traveling threw space. | Feb 06 02:01 |
| oiaohm | Now making the bugger work that is a completely different problem. | Feb 06 02:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] USB: Better in #Linux Than in #Windows , Suggests Experience http://ur1.ca/llq4 | Feb 06 02:03 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #GNU #Linux -focused Audiocasts: #TuxRadar , #TLLTS http://ur1.ca/llqa http://ur1.ca/llqb | Feb 06 02:05 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Podcast Season 2 Episode 1 | TuxRadar Linux .::. Size~: 29.44 KB | Feb 06 02:05 |
| oiaohm | So schestowitz he did not find the sporting one. Insert some usb keys into windows. magic blue screen of death reboot. | Feb 06 02:05 |
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| oiaohm | Ie poor handling of slightly damged keys. | Feb 06 02:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'follow 'pro-life' logic's conclusion: a fertile woman is guilty of..murder every time she refuses offer of copulation' http://bit.ly/a1MvHj | Feb 06 02:06 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Desktop on Getting Simpler to Put on #BIOS , Upgrades Also http://ur1.ca/llqi http://ur1.ca/llqk | Feb 06 02:06 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Texas #LinuxFest 2010 to Commence, Texan Children Get #LinuxMint http://ur1.ca/llqn http://ur1.ca/llqo | Feb 06 02:07 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LinuxCon 2010 to Take Place in #FSF 's Back Yard http://ur1.ca/llqu http://ur1.ca/lfru | Feb 06 02:08 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Foundation Launches Video Contest Following Last Year's Success http://ur1.ca/llqz http://ur1.ca/llr0 | Feb 06 02:09 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Detailed Look at #Graphics Stack of Next Linux Release; #NVIDIA Has New #Linux Drivers http://ur1.ca/llr7 http://ur1.ca/llr8 | Feb 06 02:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME Desktop Version 3 Impresses http://ur1.ca/llrd http://ur1.ca/llre | Feb 06 02:13 | |
| oiaohm | Nvidia is still avoiding proper KMS support in kernel. | Feb 06 02:15 |
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| phIRCe-BNc | Hello World! | Feb 06 02:18 |
| cubezzz | 21:15:02 up 109 days, 17:51, 10 users, load average: 0.08, 0.08, 0.11 | Feb 06 02:19 |
| schestowitz | Does nvidia's work on OS X help Linux (UNIX and LInux)? | Feb 06 02:19 |
| cubezzz | only thing that makes me reboot is a long power failure | Feb 06 02:19 |
| schestowitz | 18:15:41 up 157 days, 8:30, 3 users, load average: 0.24, 0.32, 0.38 | Feb 06 02:20 |
| oiaohm | Really not that much OS X graphical stack is masively different. | Feb 06 02:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | 21:16:28 up 582 days, 11:15, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 | Feb 06 02:20 |
| cubezzz | lol | Feb 06 02:20 |
| cubezzz | ok, I'm chump change :) | Feb 06 02:21 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu got some nw patchs | Feb 06 02:21 |
| schestowitz | Security patches | Feb 06 02:21 |
| schestowitz | One remotely exploitable IIRC | Feb 06 02:21 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: at 0.0 it seems to just sit there sipping neurons | Feb 06 02:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: that's a colo server | Feb 06 02:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: shame it's wasted. it's a beast | Feb 06 02:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it seems a safe bet, Flash is now the largest consumer of desktop cpu cycles worldwide | Feb 06 02:23 |
| oiaohm | Really I don't want to look at one of the VPN boxes here. | Feb 06 02:23 |
| cubezzz | 21:21:45 up 76 days, 7:41, 2 users, load average: 3.14, 3.20, 3.17 on the zaurus which is my PDA record :) | Feb 06 02:23 |
| cubezzz | not sure why the load average is so high, doesn't seem accurate | Feb 06 02:24 |
| oiaohm | All updates have been applied since about 3 years and it has never been off or reboot. Ie kspliced updated kernel. | Feb 06 02:24 |
| oiaohm | Sooner or latter something will have to bust in it. | Feb 06 02:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Release of #ArchBang (GNU/Linux) http://pdg86.wordpress.com/2010/02/04/release-archbang-1-04/ | Feb 06 02:25 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: [release] ArchBang 1.04 « The Linux Space .::. Size~: 65.83 KB | Feb 06 02:25 |
| cubezzz | I'm guessing it will be my 10 year old IDE hard drive in my case | Feb 06 02:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux "Welcome Tour" Created for New users http://ur1.ca/llsg http://ur1.ca/llsh | Feb 06 02:26 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Help The 'Ubuntu Welcome Tour' Project | OMG! Ubuntu! .::. Size~: 104.84 KB | Feb 06 02:26 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Open Sourcerer » Idiot goes Open Source .::. Size~: 50.86 KB | Feb 06 02:26 |
| oiaohm | Nar the vpn is raided with hotswap. | Feb 06 02:26 |
| oiaohm | Harddrive is going to be the cause. | Feb 06 02:26 |
| oiaohm | It will be ram or cpu or motherboard somewhere. | Feb 06 02:27 |
| cubezzz | or power supply | Feb 06 02:27 |
| oiaohm | Or powersupply. | Feb 06 02:27 |
| cubezzz | ;) | Feb 06 02:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LinuxMint Reviews All Positive, Still http://ur1.ca/llsj http://ur1.ca/llsk | Feb 06 02:27 | |
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| cubezzz | I'm on my 4th on this box | Feb 06 02:27 |
| oiaohm | Bets are currently on powersupply. | Feb 06 02:27 |
| oiaohm | All it twins have died to powersupply | Feb 06 02:28 |
| oiaohm | Some quite complete. | Feb 06 02:28 |
| cubezzz | I've never seen a power supply last beyond 6 or 7 years | Feb 06 02:28 |
| oiaohm | No ram no cpu no harddrive. All fried due to 240 ending up on the 12 volt rail. | Feb 06 02:28 |
| oiaohm | My record for a powersupply is 15 years and the bugger still works. | Feb 06 02:29 |
| cubezzz | cpus seem to last, I still have a working intel 8085 | Feb 06 02:29 |
| cubezzz | 1983 | Feb 06 02:29 |
| oiaohm | Ok I have seen older. | Feb 06 02:30 |
| oiaohm | IBM XT with orgianal powersupply nothing changed saw it working last year. | Feb 06 02:30 |
| cubezzz | yeah there's some working PDPs out there | Feb 06 02:30 |
| oiaohm | Ok I don't know how but it still works. | Feb 06 02:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] China Mobile Extends Linux Phones to Have WM APIs http://ur1.ca/llsu (via @glynmoody ) | Feb 06 02:30 | |
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| cubezzz | what do they use it for oiaohm? | Feb 06 02:30 |
| oiaohm | Ie the cap types in it should have faild by now. cubezzz | Feb 06 02:30 |
| oiaohm | Teching cubezzz | Feb 06 02:31 |
| cubezzz | I assume it's not in use 24/7 | Feb 06 02:31 |
| oiaohm | To turn over a majorally overside harddrive. | Feb 06 02:31 |
| oiaohm | And to track the chemcials in the cem lab. | Feb 06 02:31 |
| oiaohm | So it has not been off since who knows when. | Feb 06 02:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ARM Incidentally Becomes Advocate of #GNU #Linux Thanks to New Sub-notebooks http://ur1.ca/llsy | Feb 06 02:31 | |
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| oiaohm | 20 meg harddive only 45 inch accross cubezzz | Feb 06 02:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free Technology Academy Announced http://ur1.ca/llt2 http://ur1.ca/llt3 | Feb 06 02:32 | |
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| oiaohm | Drive heads are really simple to see in it and have like half a cm clearance from platters. cubezzz | Feb 06 02:32 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, would you have any theories on why routers seem to mess up a few times per month? | Feb 06 02:32 |
| oiaohm | Firmware and bad design of cooling. | Feb 06 02:33 |
| cubezzz | every once in a while I have to unplug and re-plug | Feb 06 02:33 |
| cubezzz | ah, overheating then | Feb 06 02:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla Targets Only #Linux Phones http://blog.vlad1.com/2010/02/02/android-progress-more-pixels-edition/ | Feb 06 02:33 | |
| oiaohm | And some have a dice thermal overload switch. | Feb 06 02:33 |
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| oiaohm | It either cubezzz | Feb 06 02:33 |
| oiaohm | some cases the firmware causes the router to run out of memory. | Feb 06 02:34 |
| oiaohm | routers don't have swapspace and some have kernel process killer disabled. | Feb 06 02:34 |
| cubezzz | yeah | Feb 06 02:34 |
| oiaohm | So yep splat. | Feb 06 02:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Symbian 's "Open Source" Status Disputed by #Linux and #GPL Guru http://ur1.ca/lltb | Feb 06 02:34 | |
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| cubezzz | I thought maybe there was some better router that might be more robust | Feb 06 02:34 |
| oiaohm | I have routers I use here that have only been on for 4 years without problems. | Feb 06 02:35 |
| oiaohm | yes I have never turned off my home one and it sits on a UPS> | Feb 06 02:35 |
| cubezzz | which make/model? | Feb 06 02:35 |
| oiaohm | Mine you it has my own firmware in it. | Feb 06 02:35 |
| oiaohm | It a crappy dlink. | Feb 06 02:35 |
| cubezzz | huh | Feb 06 02:36 |
| oiaohm | The default firmware is basically a drop kick. | Feb 06 02:36 |
| cubezzz | I use dlink too :) | Feb 06 02:36 |
| cubezzz | I got 3 of them | Feb 06 02:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] WordPress Adds Support for #Linux and #UNIX Phones, May Support #ODF http://ur1.ca/llte http://ur1.ca/lltf http://ur1.ca/lltg | Feb 06 02:36 | |
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| oiaohm | Ie dlink + my firmware works fine. Or one of the better open source firmwares for them. | Feb 06 02:36 |
| oiaohm | Basically dlink need to get some better coders. | Feb 06 02:37 |
| cubezzz | didn't even know there was open source firmware for dlink | Feb 06 02:37 |
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| cubezzz | I'll have to check that out | Feb 06 02:37 |
| oiaohm | dlink's without wireless are Linux based. | Feb 06 02:37 |
| oiaohm | And yes the full source is published. | Feb 06 02:37 |
| oiaohm | Now if you dlink has wireless its freebsd and source code not released. So stuck in evil hell. | Feb 06 02:38 |
| oiaohm | When I first got my dlink it even failed a port scan. | Feb 06 02:38 |
| oiaohm | Ie remote port scan it the bugger would fall over. | Feb 06 02:39 |
| oiaohm | Nothing is wrong with the dlink hardware designers. | Feb 06 02:39 |
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| cubezzz | I have dlink di-704p and di-604 | Feb 06 02:43 |
| cubezzz | and di-604U something | Feb 06 02:44 |
| cubezzz | di-604UP | Feb 06 02:45 |
| cubezzz | that's good news | Feb 06 02:46 |
| ender2070 | mandriva = super lame | Feb 06 02:46 |
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| cubezzz | it looks like the archos 604 stuff was released | Feb 06 02:51 |
| *DaemonFC locks ender2070 in a padded room and blasts Barney songs | Feb 06 02:52 | |
| cubezzz | this ain't no gitmo :) | Feb 06 02:53 |
| oiaohm | http://tsd.dlink.com.tw/downloads2008list.asp?SourceType=download&OS=GPL | Feb 06 02:54 |
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| oiaohm | Hmm the two di-604 ones source code is getable cubezzz | Feb 06 02:54 |
| cubezzz | w00t | Feb 06 02:54 |
| *jweyrich hates dlink. | Feb 06 02:55 | |
| oiaohm | I hate there firmware. jweyrich | Feb 06 02:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU in One's Pocket, #GCC Rival Reaches Milestone http://ur1.ca/llux http://ur1.ca/lluy | Feb 06 02:55 | |
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| oiaohm | Hardware it self is solid. jweyrich | Feb 06 02:55 |
| jweyrich | their frontends aren't W3C compliant. what to expect from the rest? | Feb 06 02:57 |
| cubezzz | yeah they got di-604UP | Feb 06 02:57 |
| jweyrich | well, at least it wasn't at the time I last used one. | Feb 06 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: Mesa development looks busy | Feb 06 02:57 |
| oiaohm | That is not the worst of it. jweyrich | Feb 06 02:57 |
| jweyrich | surely not. | Feb 06 02:57 |
| oiaohm | Some of them you can always admin login from accross the internet. jweyrich | Feb 06 02:57 |
| oiaohm | On the factory supplied firmware | Feb 06 02:58 |
| jweyrich | yeah, I've published a auth bypass some months ago. | Feb 06 02:58 |
| jweyrich | weird shit. | Feb 06 02:58 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | Feb 06 02:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] British and Spanish Governments Make Steps Towards #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/llvb http://ur1.ca/llvc | Feb 06 03:00 | |
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| cubezzz | dlink works with lynx :) | Feb 06 03:00 |
| oiaohm | Only some of them. cubezzz | Feb 06 03:00 |
| oiaohm | dlink firmware is the ultiment game of loto. | Feb 06 03:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Scripting and Plugins Come to #Chromium and #Chrome with Greasemonkey http://ur1.ca/llvl | Feb 06 03:01 | |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC: its only warming up. Mesa development is going to be flat out all year. | Feb 06 03:01 |
| cubezzz | ok, well I can say di-704P works with lynx | Feb 06 03:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Flash and H.264 #Cartel Get Nervous About Standards http://ur1.ca/llwa http://ur1.ca/llwb | Feb 06 03:06 | |
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| oiaohm | WTD!! (short for "What The Duck!!" :) << I wonder if that saying will ever get popular. | Feb 06 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: Any reason why the floor is missing in Sauerbraten and a lot of stuff is too dark in Nexuiz? | Feb 06 03:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Examples of Implicit/Subtle #Censorship http://ur1.ca/llwk http://ur1.ca/llwl http://ur1.ca/llwm | Feb 06 03:09 | |
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| oiaohm | Floor missing in Sauerbraten no idea. | Feb 06 03:11 |
| oiaohm | Too dark in Nexuiz lighting in nexuiz is done by glsl ie shaders that don't work. | Feb 06 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | when is that supposed to be implemented? :) | Feb 06 03:12 |
| oiaohm | Some time this year. | Feb 06 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | http://wiki.x.org/wiki/RadeonProgram | Feb 06 03:12 |
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| oiaohm | for R300-R500 cards | Feb 06 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | Sauerbraten is Garbage on r600 and r700 | Feb 06 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | it's gold on r500 though | Feb 06 03:13 |
| oiaohm | r600-evergreen 3d stack is not perfectly stable. | Feb 06 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, no kidding | Feb 06 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | I'm half tempted to slap Ubuntu + xorg-edgers on here | Feb 06 03:13 |
| oiaohm | But it has improved a lot. | Feb 06 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | wait for it to sort itself out | Feb 06 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | what do you say to that? | Feb 06 03:14 |
| oiaohm | At least it most of it is there. | Feb 06 03:14 |
| oiaohm | I remember last year in nexuiz on those cards it was notthing for sections of walls to be missing. | Feb 06 03:14 |
| oiaohm | WIP status is on all the r600 and r700 3d parts. DaemonFC | Feb 06 03:16 |
| oiaohm | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9152959/Microsoft_to_drop_Linux_Unix_versions_of_enterprise_search Another bate and switch product. | Feb 06 03:19 |
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| DaemonFC | Sauerbraten is shit, but Doom 3 works | Feb 06 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | that's....odd | Feb 06 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, Prey works | Feb 06 03:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #ACTA Conspiracy Exposed Even Further http://ur1.ca/llxd http://ur1.ca/llxe http://ur1.ca/llxg http://ur1.ca/lgnh | Feb 06 03:20 | |
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| oiaohm | Different engines push drivers different ways. | Feb 06 03:20 |
| oiaohm | Perfectly normal. | Feb 06 03:20 |
| DaemonFC | well, Doom 3 engine seems much more complicated to me | Feb 06 03:21 |
| DaemonFC | just by looking at games | Feb 06 03:21 |
| oiaohm | complicated is not the issue here. | Feb 06 03:29 |
| oiaohm | Its does it or does it not use a function that is bust . | Feb 06 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | I guess what I mean is I would expect something like Sauerbraten to work before Doom 3 | Feb 06 03:30 |
| oiaohm | Working with wine for years has taught me never to make those presumes. | Feb 06 03:30 |
| oiaohm | Sometimes what appears to the be simplest program can takes years to get working. | Feb 06 03:31 |
| oiaohm | yet something that highly complex by pure luck works out box. | Feb 06 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | so how much is ATI actually helping with the driver development? | Feb 06 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | or are they just dumping thousands of pages of documentation and saying "lots of luck" | Feb 06 03:31 |
| oiaohm | Base code and documentation. | Feb 06 03:32 |
| oiaohm | like the recent support in kernel for evergreen was writen by AMD/ATI developers. | Feb 06 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | I take it the goal is eventually to kill FGLRX? | Feb 06 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | or at least not have to support so many cards with it | Feb 06 03:32 |
| oiaohm | Debuging and fine tuning goes back to open source. | Feb 06 03:32 |
| oiaohm | Eventionally FGLRX as a driver will die. | Feb 06 03:33 |
| oiaohm | It may remain around for video acclereation and the like. | Feb 06 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | they've taken everything pre-r600 out and shot it, right? | Feb 06 03:33 |
| oiaohm | ie workign in partner ship. | Feb 06 03:33 |
| oiaohm | Even the modern day FGLRX driver is using KMS in kernel where it can. | Feb 06 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | FGLRX just strikes me as a god awful mess | Feb 06 03:34 |
| oiaohm | Basically FGlRX is a shrinking black box. | Feb 06 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | that's from using it | Feb 06 03:34 |
| oiaohm | It is. | Feb 06 03:34 |
| oiaohm | Even worse it based around DRI1 | Feb 06 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | right, and DRI1 was so bad that Nvidia bypassed it totally | Feb 06 03:35 |
| oiaohm | That does not exist in the new x.org servers. | Feb 06 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | I remember that much | Feb 06 03:35 |
| oiaohm | So yes sometime this year hopefully fglrx as a driver can become a memory to disappear into history. | Feb 06 03:35 |
| oiaohm | Nvidia did not bypass DRI1 completely. | Feb 06 03:36 |
| oiaohm | The hacked around it. | Feb 06 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | I get the impression that Mesa and the ati xorg driver are progressing faster than FGLRX is | Feb 06 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | and that FGLRX now is probably as good as it will be | Feb 06 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | brb | Feb 06 03:38 |
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| oiaohm | 100 percent correct on that last statement DaemonFC | Feb 06 03:39 |
| oiaohm | Thinking ATI developers who should be putting time into FGLRX are putting time into the open source driver. | Feb 06 03:39 |
| oiaohm | It has to suffer. | Feb 06 03:39 |
| oiaohm | And people are still follish asking where the FGLRX for DRI2 is. Not seeing it will never appear. | Feb 06 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, XFS is still going strong | Feb 06 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | even without SGI around anymore | Feb 06 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | I remember I complained to Ubuntu in a bug report last year that they were not allowing XFS as /boot | Feb 06 03:47 |
| DaemonFC | they made it to where you can now :) | Feb 06 03:48 |
| oiaohm | XFS is used by a lot of NAS makers. | Feb 06 03:53 |
| oiaohm | That is where the coders come from. | Feb 06 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | XFS is pretty fast in every case except deleting THOUSANDS of small files | Feb 06 03:55 |
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| oiaohm | Yep why nas makers love it DaemonFC | Feb 06 04:02 |
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| DaemonFC | I hear Windows 8 is coming and has Corinthian Leather | Feb 06 04:07 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 06 04:07 |
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| DaemonFC | what do you think oiaohm ? | Feb 06 04:12 |
| shreddar | This video should have won the We're Linux competition: | Feb 06 04:12 |
| shreddar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xceiMJSunIg&feature=player_embedded | Feb 06 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | should Windows 8 have Corinthian Leather seats? | Feb 06 04:12 |
| oiaohm | Now it would just be MS to release it in a leather bound case | Feb 06 04:12 |
| oiaohm | and having animal lovers out to get them. | Feb 06 04:13 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] @schestowitz if u means language , it is hindi. Hindu is the name of a religion. And I dont know hindi. | Feb 06 04:23 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Got a quiz on monday! Bleh :-/ | Feb 06 04:37 | |
| sebsebseb | http://threatcenter.blogspot.com/2010/02/fake-firefox-update-pages-push-adware.html | Feb 06 04:46 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Threat Center Live Blog: Fake Firefox Update Pages Push Adware .::. Size~: 79.05 KB | Feb 06 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Feb 06 04:48 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: I'll tell you what's lol I got a guy else where who's saying stuff like, it's not Window's fault | Feb 06 04:48 |
| sebsebseb | I was like yes iti s partly, if it had been designed to be more secure by default, there woudn't be so much malware for it | Feb 06 04:48 |
| sebsebseb | he is telling me it's the users fault, really it's both | Feb 06 04:49 |
| sebsebseb | and I am being told simlar stuff can be made for Linux, which it can, but less of an issue there | Feb 06 04:49 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: anyway why did you do lol ? | Feb 06 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | cause it'll snag plenty of idiots | Feb 06 04:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] now waiting in front of @cis_india office for the discussion by nosoftwarepatents campaign. | Feb 06 04:55 | |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: yep loads of people don't seem to get it, that they should only download software from their offical websites, and after typing in the url them selves | Feb 06 04:56 |
| sebsebseb | that's Windows | Feb 06 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Feb 06 04:56 |
| sebsebseb | Linux distros, well we have repos :) | Feb 06 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | the lighting is correct in Nexuiz now with the open source ati driver | Feb 06 04:56 |
| sebsebseb | should get stuff only from repos, or trusted sources such as offical sites | Feb 06 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 06 04:57 |
| sebsebseb | it's a joke how many people think it's ok to run Windows, as long as they have anti virus and anti spyware | Feb 06 05:00 |
| sebsebseb | need to do more then just that to secure it | Feb 06 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | if you're not stupid, you probably won't get malware | Feb 06 05:01 |
| sebsebseb | well sure and there is that as well, probably won't get it if have a firewall, and using a more secure browser than IE, if not stupid yeah | Feb 06 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | it's rare when something infects the system that the user didn't allow in one way or another | Feb 06 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | there's even been malware that hides in WMA files or self extracting archives of MP3s | Feb 06 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | but yeah, popping up a page while someone is watching porn and offering them Firefox is pretty funny | Feb 06 05:05 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: uh it doesn't say that's what happens :D | Feb 06 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | ahh, ad networks | Feb 06 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | block them | Feb 06 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | don't click on them ever | Feb 06 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | easy | Feb 06 05:09 |
| sebsebseb | however a lot of European windows users soon, poping up giiveing them 11 or so browser to choose instead of IE | Feb 06 05:09 |
| sebsebseb | will get a thing poping up above | Feb 06 05:10 |
| sebsebseb | and browser to choose from to install instead of IE | Feb 06 05:10 |
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| sebsebseb | ender2070: http://threatcenter.blogspot.com/2010/02/fake-firefox-update-pages-push-adware.html | Feb 06 05:18 |
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| ender2070 | LOL | Feb 06 05:20 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: Why? | Feb 06 05:21 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: that's the same thing DaemonFC put after I gave the link as well | Feb 06 05:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @fossmeet: FOSSMeet 2010: Officially inaugurated by Pradeep Kumar, MLA and inaugural talk delivered by V. Sasi Kumar #fsf #fossmeet | Feb 06 05:23 | |
| ender2070 | I see that effecting windows users | Feb 06 05:24 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: some of them yeah | Feb 06 05:31 |
| ender2070 | I don't see a fake update effecting my package manager | Feb 06 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | no, but the ones posing as extensions can still install themselves and do anything your user account can | Feb 06 05:37 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 06 05:37 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/digitalworld/news/index.cfm?newsid=3212037&spotlight=6%3Ac | Feb 06 05:39 |
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| ender2070 | im not worried | Feb 06 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | extensions can best be thought of as cross platform applications that can do anything the logged in user has permissions to do | Feb 06 05:40 |
| ender2070 | I used windows in the past, Im precautious | Feb 06 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | cross platform malware could be made to use Firefox as a platform | Feb 06 05:40 |
| ender2070 | i dont even use firefox much anymore | Feb 06 05:40 |
| ender2070 | Konquerer and Chromium are nice alternatives | Feb 06 05:41 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: there's a lot more than just those | Feb 06 05:41 |
| sebsebseb | also I think it's still best to support Firefox mainly, since it's a good number 2 after IE | Feb 06 05:41 |
| ender2070 | Arora is very nice :) | Feb 06 05:41 |
| sebsebseb | yeah Arora seems nice, nicer in KDE than Gnome though, since then it looks a bit better | Feb 06 05:41 |
| ender2070 | well gnome is a lost cause | Feb 06 05:42 |
| sebsebseb | I was just reading about alternative browsers to the main streame ones | Feb 06 05:42 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: Gnome is a lost cause??? | Feb 06 05:42 |
| ender2070 | I really like chromium, and it works nicely under KDE and Gnome | Feb 06 05:42 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Feb 06 05:42 |
| sebsebseb | Why don't you like Gnome? | Feb 06 05:42 |
| ender2070 | Gnome is infested | Feb 06 05:43 |
| sebsebseb | oh Mono? | Feb 06 05:43 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Feb 06 05:43 |
| ender2070 | that and KDE happens to be much better | Feb 06 05:43 |
| sebsebseb | apparantly Chrome is better than Chromeium, but well maybe so, but Chrome is part of all the Google hype | Feb 06 05:43 |
| ender2070 | Chrome has the spyware | Feb 06 05:43 |
| sebsebseb | does it? | Feb 06 05:44 |
| sebsebseb | also KDE 4 uhmm I keep on going back to Gnome 2 | Feb 06 05:44 |
| ender2070 | chrome has a few things that report back to google | Feb 06 05:44 |
| ender2070 | 64-bit flash runs under chromium too :D | Feb 06 05:44 |
| sebsebseb | such as? | Feb 06 05:44 |
| ender2070 | the updater does | Feb 06 05:45 |
| ender2070 | as far as I know thats all | Feb 06 05:45 |
| sebsebseb | reports back to Google right | Feb 06 05:45 |
| sebsebseb | with what info | Feb 06 05:45 |
| ender2070 | im not sure | Feb 06 05:45 |
| sebsebseb | also probably a lot of these automatic update programs report back to their developers? | Feb 06 05:45 |
| ender2070 | im not worried about it | Feb 06 05:45 |
| ender2070 | theres people who fear google | Feb 06 05:46 |
| sebsebseb | anyway good we got a tablet to compete againsted that hyped up ipad | Feb 06 05:46 |
| sebsebseb | see link above | Feb 06 05:46 |
| sebsebseb | of course there will be more then just the one I linked to | Feb 06 05:46 |
| ender2070 | personally I like google | Feb 06 05:46 |
| ender2070 | I think they can kill Microsoft | Feb 06 05:46 |
| ender2070 | I run chromium whenever I can | Feb 06 05:48 |
| ender2070 | firefox as a backup | Feb 06 05:48 |
| sebsebseb | Microsoft here to stay for another ten years or so I guess at least | Feb 06 05:48 |
| sebsebseb | same thing for Apple | Feb 06 05:48 |
| ender2070 | I hope not | Feb 06 05:48 |
| ender2070 | they both need to go | Feb 06 05:48 |
| sebsebseb | also Windows is better than Mac OS X in certain ways | Feb 06 05:49 |
| ender2070 | Apple is an abomination towards its roots | Feb 06 05:49 |
| ender2070 | They used to say IBM was big brother | Feb 06 05:49 |
| sebsebseb | Apple are a joke really since they never bothered to compete properly against Microsoft | Feb 06 05:49 |
| sebsebseb | now would be a good time for Mac OS X for the PC at a reasonable price, I think | Feb 06 05:49 |
| ender2070 | lol | Feb 06 05:50 |
| sebsebseb | of course we want Desktop Linux to hit off | Feb 06 05:50 |
| sebsebseb | on teh Desktop right? | Feb 06 05:50 |
| sebsebseb | however competition is good | Feb 06 05:50 |
| ender2070 | its doing well | Feb 06 05:50 |
| ender2070 | things are great considering | Feb 06 05:50 |
| sebsebseb | and Windows doesn't have any serious competiton for the desktop really | Feb 06 05:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Teach yourself #programming in Ten Years: Peter Norvig http://norvig.com/21-days.html | Feb 06 05:50 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Teach Yourself Programming in Ten Years .::. Size~: 22.1 KB | Feb 06 05:50 |
| ender2070 | the only hardware manufacturers who hate linux right now are gpu vendors and wifi vendors | Feb 06 05:50 |
| ender2070 | everyone else uses linux to test their designs | Feb 06 05:50 |
| sebsebseb | well there is Desktop Linux, but there are things that are stopping it from gaining a more proper market share, and it's not really it's fault | Feb 06 05:51 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: anyway earlier soemone was in the big Ubuntu channle, he wanted Mono 2.6 (or whatever the number) | Feb 06 05:52 |
| sebsebseb | I was like why etc | Feb 06 05:52 |
| sebsebseb | seems he is being paid to write Mono apps hrm | Feb 06 05:52 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Feb 06 05:52 |
| ender2070 | personally I like Fedora | Feb 06 05:52 |
| ender2070 | fedora-kde | Feb 06 05:52 |
| ender2070 | Qt/C++ | Feb 06 05:52 |
| sebsebseb | I like Mandriva | Feb 06 05:52 |
| ender2070 | I don't | Feb 06 05:52 |
| sebsebseb | altough there are little things I don't like about it | Feb 06 05:53 |
| ender2070 | I tried it earlier today | Feb 06 05:53 |
| ender2070 | I did get wifi working | Feb 06 05:53 |
| ender2070 | no wireless-tools package by default | Feb 06 05:53 |
| ender2070 | lol | Feb 06 05:53 |
| sebsebseb | Mandriva 2010 is better than Ubuntu 9.10 | Feb 06 05:53 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Feb 06 05:53 |
| ender2070 | not better than Kubuntu 9.10 | Feb 06 05:53 |
| sebsebseb | yeah the Gnome version of Mandriva 2010 is :) | Feb 06 05:54 |
| sebsebseb | compared to Ubuntu 9.10 | Feb 06 05:54 |
| ender2070 | Mandriva needs a KDE 64-bit livecd | Feb 06 05:54 |
| sebsebseb | well Canonical focus on Gnome | Feb 06 05:54 |
| sebsebseb | Kubuntu is a community project | Feb 06 05:54 |
| ender2070 | downloading the dvd sucked | Feb 06 05:54 |
| ender2070 | fedora-kde is community too | Feb 06 05:54 |
| sebsebseb | Mandriva One is 32bit | Feb 06 05:54 |
| sebsebseb | however | Feb 06 05:54 |
| sebsebseb | there is a community version for 64bit | Feb 06 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | "We really want to keep as small a range of editions as is reasonably possible. Having a 64-bit One would add another eight editions - four KDE, four GNOME, just as we have for i586 - and more complexity to the available download choices. A One DVD would make things even worse. We really don't want to go there right now." -Adam Williamson | Feb 06 05:57 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: four? and eight? | Feb 06 05:59 |
| sebsebseb | well excuses since they are small or whatever | Feb 06 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | languages | Feb 06 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | I think that's what he's talking about | Feb 06 05:59 |
| sebsebseb | versions for each language? | Feb 06 06:00 |
| sebsebseb | not sure about that | Feb 06 06:00 |
| sebsebseb | it asked which one to use on install | Feb 06 06:00 |
| ender2070 | lol | Feb 06 06:00 |
| ender2070 | they just have bad setups | Feb 06 06:00 |
| sebsebseb | I tried to get English British, and well no didn't do that properly or at all, and then I try to change after woulds and it still likes American | Feb 06 06:00 |
| ender2070 | fedora has everything automated | Feb 06 06:01 |
| ender2070 | they have a server that builds the iso's from a script | Feb 06 06:01 |
| ender2070 | its well tested, it builds a fresh rawhide iso every night | Feb 06 06:01 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: heh I caught up on quite a lot of 2010's Linux news last night, and now there is quite a bit more | Feb 06 06:01 |
| sebsebseb | I mean stuff I want to read | Feb 06 06:01 |
| ender2070 | they also have scripts for each of the different spins | Feb 06 06:02 |
| ender2070 | you can download them and make your own | Feb 06 06:02 |
| sebsebseb | Fedora 11 woudn't like my partition set up | Feb 06 06:02 |
| sebsebseb | which was just a standard Ubuntu set up | Feb 06 06:02 |
| sebsebseb | the installer gave me an error | Feb 06 06:02 |
| ender2070 | Ubuntu does things weird | Feb 06 06:02 |
| sebsebseb | Fedora 12 well I vm'd the Live session and well not much in it | Feb 06 06:03 |
| sebsebseb | well apparantly with 9.10 since the way they have done Grub 2 | Feb 06 06:03 |
| sebsebseb | can't boot up other distros from it as well, or you can some how after editing something | Feb 06 06:03 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: what's annoying me about Mandriva is how there are updates to install like every day | Feb 06 06:06 |
| sebsebseb | that's with Gnome and all of KDE installed, and that's about it | Feb 06 06:07 |
| ender2070 | weird | Feb 06 06:08 |
| ender2070 | i don't like how they put all the stuff you would want into the powerpack | Feb 06 06:09 |
| sebsebseb | well the Itailian Mandriva Community | Feb 06 06:09 |
| sebsebseb | have some repos | Feb 06 06:09 |
| sebsebseb | for stuff like that | Feb 06 06:09 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: I got a guy online who thinks Mandriva is great with the MIB repo's | Feb 06 06:09 |
| sebsebseb | however yeah feel like running a kind of cut down version to some extent, without the power pack | Feb 06 06:10 |
| sebsebseb | also I thought the power pack was mainly just support and some commercial apps? | Feb 06 06:10 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: at least it's not as bad as VectorLinux which is Slackware based and unless it's been changed, it's compile Open Office yourself if you want it in there, or pay for their CD | Feb 06 06:11 |
| ender2070 | powerpack has the evil codecs | Feb 06 06:11 |
| sebsebseb | right well you just put it's stuff that you would want in powerpack | Feb 06 06:12 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Feb 06 06:12 |
| sebsebseb | MP3's just worked with Mandriva One | Feb 06 06:12 |
| ender2070 | I find myself requiring them | Feb 06 06:12 |
| sebsebseb | codecs for what? | Feb 06 06:12 |
| ender2070 | for stuff I don't encode myself | Feb 06 06:12 |
| sebsebseb | why you want? | Feb 06 06:12 |
| sebsebseb | such as? | Feb 06 06:12 |
| ender2070 | avi files encoded with divx or other codecs | Feb 06 06:13 |
| sebsebseb | oh right, well can convert those into free formats etc | Feb 06 06:13 |
| ender2070 | i guess | Feb 06 06:13 |
| ender2070 | you lose quality though | Feb 06 06:13 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: So do a Windows virtual machine and play them in there problem solved :D heh heh | Feb 06 06:14 |
| ender2070 | that solves nothing | Feb 06 06:15 |
| sebsebseb | that was a joke :) | Feb 06 06:16 |
| ender2070 | other than how to waste the most resources to play a file | Feb 06 06:16 |
| ender2070 | lol | Feb 06 06:16 |
| ender2070 | most of the codecs are fine other than the patent encumbered formats they support | Feb 06 06:16 |
| ender2070 | ie free software | Feb 06 06:17 |
| sebsebseb | yeah loads of little issus here and there, because Windows and then Apple have most of the desktop market share | Feb 06 06:17 |
| sebsebseb | Windows and Mac OS X above | Feb 06 06:17 |
| ender2070 | i fight the good fight by making sure new files are created in open formats | Feb 06 06:17 |
| ender2070 | I use flac and ogg for digitizing my cd collection | Feb 06 06:18 |
| sebsebseb | ok :) | Feb 06 06:18 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #GlennBeck is a #douchebag remixed http://ur1.ca/lmaf | Feb 06 06:22 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Uganda hates gays and really needs to come out of the closet http://ur1.ca/lmbj | Feb 06 06:42 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Thankfully not all cops are dicks, but I'm afraid this one will get fired for being fucking #awesome http://ur1.ca/lmbo | Feb 06 06:47 | |
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| DaemonFC | yes, all that hot, seductive, sultry straight porn is making men go gay so we can KILL THEM, muahahahahahahahahaaaaaa!!!!! It's all coming together! *rubs palms together menacingly* | Feb 06 06:50 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] For every good cop out there, theres at least 15 that moonlight as #terrorists http://ur1.ca/lmc3 | Feb 06 06:52 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Expensive Lomo anamorphic lens on a Canon 5D mark II http://ur1.ca/lmc6 | Feb 06 06:52 | |
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| DaemonFC | Filter the internet??? Oh HELL no! Then there wouldn't be any more gay people to kill. | Feb 06 06:52 |
| DaemonFC | and what else are you supposed to do to kill time on a Saturday in Uganda? | Feb 06 06:53 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 06 06:53 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] The real Timothy McSweeny http://ur1.ca/lmc8 | Feb 06 06:57 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] This rather negative (and somewhat biased) article about #Tesla shows their CEO has a few awesome jobs http://ur1.ca/lmcq | Feb 06 07:02 | |
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| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3: Sounded like Nvidia til I clicked the link :) | Feb 06 07:12 |
| DaemonFC | and until I got past the no product, no profit, no problem bit | Feb 06 07:12 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: ping | Feb 06 07:26 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] As usual slept with the handout :| . Now lunch! | Feb 06 07:42 | |
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| DaemonFC | nothing has ever disgusted me more than KDE 4.anything | Feb 06 08:20 |
| oiaohm | Hmm one thing I have noticed since the freenode server changes is less cases of opps lost connection having to tell nickserv to disconnect other user. | Feb 06 08:20 |
| DaemonFC | people used to say "KDE 3 integrates so well!!!" and now KDE 4 is this one giant yucky mess | Feb 06 08:20 |
| oiaohm | I like KDE 4 | Feb 06 08:21 |
| oiaohm | Ok only KDE 4.3 and up. | Feb 06 08:21 |
| oiaohm | Before that I could not stand it. | Feb 06 08:21 |
| DaemonFC | it just feels so massive and slow and like part if it is still missing | Feb 06 08:21 |
| oiaohm | Intergration is improving each version DaemonFC | Feb 06 08:21 |
| DaemonFC | and no matter how many point releases they make, it's still ludicrously not as good as KDE 3 | Feb 06 08:22 |
| oiaohm | KDE 3 was not exactly that good. | Feb 06 08:22 |
| oiaohm | The graphical stack of it was dieing a slow death. | Feb 06 08:22 |
| DaemonFC | some distributions are dropping 3 and raping you with 4, others are holding onto it and trying to patch it to death themselves | Feb 06 08:22 |
| DaemonFC | Kubuntu is still maintaining 3.5.10 in Lucid and there was a page I saw where they showed how much they had to patch it | Feb 06 08:23 |
| oiaohm | Over time there will be less and less applications not ported to KDE 4 | Feb 06 08:23 |
| DaemonFC | lots of people want an LTS with a KDE 3 | Feb 06 08:23 |
| oiaohm | QT3 under KDE 3.5 is also falling apart. DaemonFC | Feb 06 08:24 |
| DaemonFC | cause they know they might have to hunker down with it for 3 more years | Feb 06 08:24 |
| oiaohm | KDE developers could see this nightmare coming. | Feb 06 08:24 |
| oiaohm | Reason why they pushed KDE 4 so hard. | Feb 06 08:24 |
| oiaohm | There really was no other option. | Feb 06 08:24 |
| DaemonFC | what they did do was scare a lot of people into using GNOME | Feb 06 08:25 |
| DaemonFC | including Torvalds | Feb 06 08:25 |
| oiaohm | Me included. | Feb 06 08:25 |
| oiaohm | And I am back on KDE 4.3 and up because gnome drives up wall with some of the ways it does things. | Feb 06 08:25 |
| DaemonFC | Compiz is one of the nasties that you should leave off | Feb 06 08:26 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 06 08:26 |
| oiaohm | Compiz is not used by KDE 4.3 | Feb 06 08:26 |
| DaemonFC | it always interferes with games you're playing in Wine, Oblivion can't even start while Compiz is on | Feb 06 08:27 |
| oiaohm | kwin has all the function compiz offers. | Feb 06 08:27 |
| oiaohm | kwin also is dri2 aware. | Feb 06 08:27 |
| oiaohm | Where current compiz is not. | Feb 06 08:27 |
| oiaohm | There is a sub branch of compiz that is dri2 aware. | Feb 06 08:27 |
| DaemonFC | that won't do you any good if you're stuck with FGLRX | Feb 06 08:28 |
| oiaohm | Ie dri2 ware compiz does not have issues with Oblivion and the like. | Feb 06 08:28 |
| DaemonFC | I tried Metisse once, it was just, weird | Feb 06 08:28 |
| oiaohm | kwin trys to refuse turing on with only dri1 drivers. | Feb 06 08:28 |
| DaemonFC | it's still there though | Feb 06 08:28 |
| oiaohm | Ie 3d special effects. | Feb 06 08:28 |
| oiaohm | It complains long and load and the first crash it turn it back off again. | Feb 06 08:29 |
| oiaohm | Metisse is a really strange idea. | Feb 06 08:29 |
| oiaohm | Good for prototyping interfaces. | Feb 06 08:29 |
| oiaohm | Love to see Metisse update to support dri2 instead of X11 intercept server. | Feb 06 08:30 |
| DaemonFC | which do you say is more tacky? | Feb 06 08:30 |
| DaemonFC | compiz or metisse | Feb 06 08:30 |
| oiaohm | metisse might be tacky but at least you can make custom interfaces on applications. That can make up for it. | Feb 06 08:31 |
| oiaohm | I know of no redeming features for compiz | Feb 06 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | I may also consider going to XFCE at this rate | Feb 06 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | its compositor is minimal, but it doesn't piss off games | Feb 06 08:32 |
| oiaohm | XFCE is supprisingly slow. | Feb 06 08:32 |
| oiaohm | Serousally. | Feb 06 08:32 |
| oiaohm | Ok I have Nvidia drivers so my KDE is nicely accelerated. | Feb 06 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | XFCE can use more resources than GNOME is some situations, this I know | Feb 06 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | what would be really cool is if Ubuntu would properly support LXDE | Feb 06 08:32 |
| oiaohm | So I might not be the best person. On adverage XFCE is slower than KDE for me and ram is not a worry in this system thinking it only has 8 gb at this time. | Feb 06 08:33 |
| DaemonFC | Mandriva can be set up that way, but I tried it once and was not impressed | Feb 06 08:33 |
| oiaohm | I recently halfed my ram. | Feb 06 08:33 |
| DaemonFC | Compiz can be your compositor on LXDE | Feb 06 08:34 |
| oiaohm | Compiz send to grave yard | Feb 06 08:34 |
| DaemonFC | but that gives you the same problem as Compiz on GNOME, pissing off Wine | Feb 06 08:34 |
| oiaohm | kwin can piss off wine on dri1 cards. | Feb 06 08:34 |
| oiaohm | But dri2 you are fine. | Feb 06 08:34 |
| DaemonFC | I need something that works with Wine while running on FGRLX | Feb 06 08:35 |
| oiaohm | The difference kernel mode memory management makes. | Feb 06 08:35 |
| DaemonFC | or at least SHUT DOWN!!!! | Feb 06 08:35 |
| DaemonFC | god, if Vista can do that while a game is running, why can't Compiz? | Feb 06 08:35 |
| oiaohm | Race condition in dri1 makes that impossiable. | Feb 06 08:35 |
| DaemonFC | Compiz is making Linux look third world | Feb 06 08:36 |
| oiaohm | Turning compiz hooks off can leave you without opengl support completley under dri1 if you hit a race condition | Feb 06 08:36 |
| oiaohm | With only way to correct is restart X11 server | Feb 06 08:36 |
| oiaohm | Yes EEP | Feb 06 08:36 |
| DaemonFC | so it has to stay on or it risks killing your openGL support until you restart X? | Feb 06 08:37 |
| DaemonFC | nice | Feb 06 08:37 |
| oiaohm | even if stays on it risks another race condution that locks the system up. | Feb 06 08:37 |
| oiaohm | under DRI1 | Feb 06 08:37 |
| oiaohm | There is no win with compiz | Feb 06 08:37 |
| DaemonFC | I would support the genocide of anyone involved in the original DRI | Feb 06 08:37 |
| DaemonFC | I really would :D | Feb 06 08:37 |
| oiaohm | Question is what race condition will get you first. | Feb 06 08:37 |
| oiaohm | Compiz really should never been on DRI 1 | Feb 06 08:38 |
| DaemonFC | Compiz is really bad shit that you should not turn on, in other words | Feb 06 08:38 |
| oiaohm | Its all due to a historic mistake | Feb 06 08:38 |
| DaemonFC | there is no way to make it behave | Feb 06 08:38 |
| oiaohm | Of all video card memory management being in userspace by X11. | Feb 06 08:39 |
| ender2070 | kwin > compiz | Feb 06 08:39 |
| oiaohm | Then some video card makers have on board management. | Feb 06 08:39 |
| oiaohm | So things got really really confusing and lots of race conditions appeared. | Feb 06 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | I've left Compiz off for a while, all it does is give you wobbly windows, system crashes, and problems running games | Feb 06 08:40 |
| oiaohm | DRI2 struct puts the kernel 100 percent in charge of all video card memory allocations. | Feb 06 08:40 |
| DaemonFC | and that's true even on an Nvidia card | Feb 06 08:40 |
| oiaohm | Nvidia has on card management and userspace management under old X11 servers | Feb 06 08:40 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is really hell bent on flipping it on and leaving the user to figure out what's wrong :) | Feb 06 08:40 |
| oiaohm | Just to be nice that really screws with compiz big time. | Feb 06 08:40 |
| DaemonFC | they figure wobbly windows is practically pornography to former Windows users | Feb 06 08:41 |
| oiaohm | Ok you have dri1 drivers ? | Feb 06 08:41 |
| DaemonFC | I guess that's the reasoning | Feb 06 08:41 |
| DaemonFC | FGLRX | Feb 06 08:41 |
| oiaohm | You want to see the non compiz way of bringing you interface down. | Feb 06 08:41 |
| DaemonFC | about as DRI1 as they get I guess | Feb 06 08:41 |
| oiaohm | Just switch between X11 server and framebuffer termianl repeatedly. | Feb 06 08:42 |
| oiaohm | Sooner or latter it will bust. | Feb 06 08:42 |
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| oiaohm | Reason fb and dri1 having different memory managment systems under the older dri1 stack. | Feb 06 08:42 |
| DaemonFC | if they ever write a Linux Hater's Handbook, they need to do a chapter about DRI | Feb 06 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | I remember the UNIX Haters Handbook had an entire chapter on X | Feb 06 08:43 |
| oiaohm | And they have to kind do the hokie pokey every time you switch between them tell each other where not to touch. | Feb 06 08:43 |
| oiaohm | DRI 2.x+ is fine DaemonFC | Feb 06 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but thanks to proprietary drivers, DRI2 might as well not exist for a lot of people | Feb 06 08:44 |
| oiaohm | DRI 1.x stuff DaemonFC nightmares past what many people can blieve. | Feb 06 08:44 |
| oiaohm | Nvidia is getting dri2 class drivers out. | Feb 06 08:44 |
| oiaohm | Same with VIA. | Feb 06 08:44 |
| oiaohm | Just ATI people are caught in the migration. | Feb 06 08:44 |
| DaemonFC | DRI2 seems to be like telling someone broken down in the DRI1 desert that there's a gas station 100 miles away | Feb 06 08:44 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 06 08:45 |
| DaemonFC | and it has cold beverages too! | Feb 06 08:45 |
| oiaohm | For ati uses yes. | Feb 06 08:45 |
| oiaohm | For everyone else no problem. | Feb 06 08:45 |
| oiaohm | Basically the sooner the open source dri2 drivers get there for ati users the happier they will be. | Feb 06 08:45 |
| DaemonFC | yes, they already work for basic things and even a few games | Feb 06 08:46 |
| DaemonFC | they're not spectacular, but they are better than FGLRX in a lot of important ways already | Feb 06 08:46 |
| oiaohm | Basically they are that big scary dust cloud coming the poor ATi users way in the desert and the ATI user cannot work out if they should be running to it or away from it. | Feb 06 08:46 |
| DaemonFC | I really do hope that they shape into something I can use daily within the year | Feb 06 08:47 |
| DaemonFC | they're probably good enough for laptops with low end integrated ATI | Feb 06 08:48 |
| oiaohm | Being caught in a migration area is always plainful. | Feb 06 08:48 |
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| DaemonFC | well, oh right now, it's flip a coin | Feb 06 08:49 |
| DaemonFC | DOOM 3 works perfectly, and Sauerbraten is garbage | Feb 06 08:49 |
| ender2070 | All I can say is: mandriva blows | Feb 06 08:49 |
| DaemonFC | what does Mandriva have to do with ATI drivers sucking? | Feb 06 08:50 |
| DaemonFC | or Compiz? | Feb 06 08:50 |
| DaemonFC | those will ruin your day on any distro | Feb 06 08:51 |
| DaemonFC | flipping Compiz on is the fastest way to kill Wine regardless of whose video drivers you have | Feb 06 08:52 |
| oiaohm | There is faster | Feb 06 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | even nv or ati are speed demons compared to nvidia or fglrx with compiz | Feb 06 08:53 |
| oiaohm | Unstable version of pulseaudio wine might not even get started. DaemonFC | Feb 06 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | just having Compiz turned on hurts your gaming performance even if it doesn't stop the game from running | Feb 06 08:54 |
| DaemonFC | it's not a huge drain, but it's measurable | Feb 06 08:54 |
| oiaohm | Its all todo with the way it hooked in. | Feb 06 08:54 |
| oiaohm | DRI2 version will not be as draining. | Feb 06 08:54 |
| oiaohm | ie intercepting all video card memory allocation kinda hurts. | Feb 06 08:54 |
| oiaohm | DRI2 the interception evil is not required. | Feb 06 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | there's no way to fix Compiz, GNOME 3's compositor seems a lot smoother | Feb 06 08:55 |
| oiaohm | There is a DRI2 compiz branch. | Feb 06 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | haven't used it myself, but on videos it looks smoother than Compiz | Feb 06 08:55 |
| oiaohm | That is the only branch of compiz that basically works. | Feb 06 08:55 |
| oiaohm | Yet it does not have offical releases yet. DaemonFC | Feb 06 08:56 |
| oiaohm | Even Gnome 3 compositer on a dri1 driver is asking for a but kicking. | Feb 06 08:56 |
| DaemonFC | Compiz on FGLRX also creates what I call "cement windows" | Feb 06 08:58 |
| DaemonFC | you try to resize them but the fucking thing won't budge for 2-3 seconds | Feb 06 08:58 |
| DaemonFC | odd that every other window operation is normal pace, but it slows down resize that much | Feb 06 08:59 |
| DaemonFC | I might try using Metisse again | Feb 06 08:59 |
| DaemonFC | it didn't seem to be the dinosaur that Compiz is | Feb 06 08:59 |
| oiaohm | metisse design really needs a rework to be made upto date. | Feb 06 09:01 |
| oiaohm | But for prototyping how interfaces should be redesigned its great. | Feb 06 09:01 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't lag like Compiz does | Feb 06 09:02 |
| oiaohm | It does a little | Feb 06 09:03 |
| DaemonFC | I'm just looking for some kind of minimal compositor that lets me move windows around without tearing | Feb 06 09:03 |
| oiaohm | Due to X11 middle maning. | Feb 06 09:03 |
| DaemonFC | that kind of thing | Feb 06 09:03 |
| DaemonFC | I don't care if windows burn or explode or genie | Feb 06 09:03 |
| oiaohm | That requires DRI2 drivers | Feb 06 09:03 |
| oiaohm | DRI1 drivers cannot prevent tearing. | Feb 06 09:04 |
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| oiaohm | Basically DRI1 is a classic example of only building stuff to do just enough. nothing more. DaemonFC | Feb 06 09:06 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed :P | Feb 06 09:12 |
| DaemonFC | if the open source AMD driver doesn't get to where I can use it by the time Mandriva 2010 Spring it out, I'll scream | Feb 06 09:12 |
| DaemonFC | errr ATI (same thing) | Feb 06 09:12 |
| DaemonFC | I've tried it out on Ubuntu with xorg-edgers | Feb 06 09:13 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Frederick Kaufman on the #GatesFoundation ’s #Monsanto Venture; 100,000 Indians to Protest by Fasting http://ur1.ca/lmp4 #gmo | Feb 06 10:14 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Updated the cricscore-applet for !fedora ; Any one willing to sponsor the package? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546686 | Feb 06 10:27 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Bug 546686 – Review Request: cricscore-applet - Cricket score applet for gnome panel .::. Size~: 35.24 KB | Feb 06 10:27 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Goin back to bed with the handout given in office :D ; Hope i don't sleep now :P | Feb 06 10:42 | |
| oiaohm | http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/02/05/1727233/Xbox-Live-For-Original-Xbox-Games-Shutting-Down | Feb 06 10:53 |
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| oiaohm | I guess anouther way to attempt to push up sales. | Feb 06 10:53 |
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| schestowitz | How so? | Feb 06 11:02 |
| schestowitz | Oh, he's gone | Feb 06 11:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] X2 launches iTablet for Linux and Windows: http://tinyurl.com/yhfw9zd | Feb 06 11:11 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Canonical Gets New Chief Operating Officer Who Already Defends #Microsoft ’s Biased ‘Search’ http://ur1.ca/lmrw | Feb 06 11:14 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Giving Elive a run....its been a while since Ive looked properly at the Enlightenment DE. Seems like a tight distro. #linux #foss #gnu | Feb 06 11:19 | |
| MinceR | http://matin.maapallo.org/site.pl/selain/?c=sinfest&i=3417 | Feb 06 11:30 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz MS will only call Bing a "decision engine" so that they don't loose face being destroyed by Google's search engine. | Feb 06 11:36 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Im sure if Bing had the market share MS would be calling it a search engine. | Feb 06 11:36 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin yes, that's what I said when they introduced the phrase. | Feb 06 11:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Seems users don't need a "decision engine" to decide which search they want to use...mind you MS can always buy popularity. | Feb 06 11:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple ’s proximity to the #copyright cartel and its fear of #freedom as illustrated by this week’s news http://ur1.ca/lmwi #drm | Feb 06 11:44 | |
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| Omar87_ | schestowitz: PING | Feb 06 11:49 |
| Omar87_ | _Goblin: hey :) | Feb 06 11:49 |
| _Goblin | Hi! | Feb 06 11:52 |
| Omar87_ | _Goblin: How's it going? | Feb 06 11:52 |
| _Goblin | Not bad, just catching up on news and sorting a few articles out. | Feb 06 11:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just filed my first bug in Ubuntu Lucid http://bit.ly/cM39BO after testing with testdrive http://bit.ly/7916d1 | Feb 06 11:59 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Bug #518012 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu): “Inconsistent collapse/expand icon placement” .::. Size~: 32.36 KB | Feb 06 11:59 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] For those Ubuntu'ers who watch Naruto, doesn't the #Ubuntu logo look pretty damn similar to Itachi's Mangekyou Sharingan symbol? | Feb 06 12:02 | |
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| schestowitz | Omar87_: hey | Feb 06 12:12 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] bitlbee to me: "zer0c00l The hand of the deity is upon thee, thy nick may not change" LOL | Feb 06 12:17 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft is Killing Another #Xbox Product and #Vista7 is Already in Trouble http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/06/vista-7-trouble/ | Feb 06 12:17 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft is Killing Another Xbox Product and Vista 7 is Already in Trouble | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 84.23 KB | Feb 06 12:17 |
| schestowitz | This list keeps growing: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_-_Dead_Divisions_or_Products | Feb 06 12:17 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft - Dead Divisions or Products - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 17.95 KB | Feb 06 12:17 |
| oiaohm | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/06/0545220/New-Rules-May-Raise-Cost-of-Buying-Gadgets-Online Hmm | Feb 06 12:19 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | New Rules May Raise Cost of Buying Gadgets Online .::. Size~: 106.24 KB | Feb 06 12:19 |
| oiaohm | Anyone see people owning more gagets because of this. | Feb 06 12:19 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Xbox Live For Original Xbox Games is a 2010 close not a 2009 | Feb 06 12:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Photo management in Linux - digiKam 1.1.0 getting the Openbytes treatment! #foss #gnu | Feb 06 12:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Coming shortly on Openbytes: "Linux Gaming - The RPG question." #rpg #linux #foss #gnu #free #gaming | Feb 06 12:27 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Oracle Gates - A look back at nonsensical predictions and lack of foresight from #Microsoft ’s Nostradamus http://ur1.ca/ln1x | Feb 06 12:38 | |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: did I say 2009? | Feb 06 12:38 |
| oiaohm | The page you have it on at the top ie title does say 2008-2009 schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_-_Dead_Divisions_or_Products | Feb 06 12:41 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC News - Tax staff expose IT failures - It wouldn't be a .NET app would it? http://tinyurl.com/ye545mm | Feb 06 12:44 | |
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| Omar87_ | schestowitz: Hi | Feb 06 12:53 |
| Omar87_ | schestowitz: Do you know anyone inside Red Hat other than Wildeboer? | Feb 06 12:53 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87_: no | Feb 06 13:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Chunky cut onion and carrot, browned beef steak, oregano & seasoning, bottle of Guinness.. all put in slow cooker. That's supper sorted! #fb | Feb 06 13:21 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Wants More Licensing Instead of #Windows Bans http://ur1.ca/ln4a #CraigMundie #lobbyist #ban #davos | Feb 06 13:25 | |
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| schestowitz | Heh. | Feb 06 13:26 |
| schestowitz | http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=hovsepian&go=Go | Feb 06 13:26 |
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| schestowitz | "Did you mean: horseman" | Feb 06 13:26 |
| MinceR | of the apocalypse? | Feb 06 13:26 |
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| Omar87_ | schestowitz: I see. | Feb 06 13:37 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right, getting ready for work. :( Got a few days off after today so I'll be able to publish a few more of my pending articles.. | Feb 06 13:41 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] One other observation it appears that the Lin$$$ ilk on Twitter have yet to break the 20 followers barrier...Keep going guys! You can do it! | Feb 06 13:43 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Executives Still Cannot Write Blog Posts? New evidence of ghostwriters in Novell’s own Web site http://ur1.ca/ln4p | Feb 06 13:43 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_Goblin "guys" or "children"? | Feb 06 13:45 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @anivar oh, I see, thanks | Feb 06 13:45 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/02/05/justice-department-objects-to-google-books-settlement | Feb 06 13:48 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Justice Department Objects To Google Books Settlement | WebProNews .::. Size~: 33.15 KB | Feb 06 13:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_Goblin it's good that you added tuxmachines to openbytes. It's a good Linux site. | Feb 06 13:51 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/05/techcrunch-fires-wri.html | Feb 06 13:52 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/05/hello-chainsaw.html | Feb 06 13:55 |
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| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/Murphy/?p=1772&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zdnet%2FMurphy+%28ZDNet+Paul+Murphy%29 "my own unhappy experience in getting over 2,700 pieces of personalized hate mail for debunking IBM’s mainframe Linux as over priced, over hyped, lunacy." | Feb 06 14:00 |
| schestowitz | Probably an exaggeration, as though he has a mail directory designated to "Hate Mail over IBM Mainframes" | Feb 06 14:00 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Masochism: trying to do anything with Solaris 10 GNOME. | Feb 06 14:29 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Holy cow, Ubuntu Lucid boot is insanely fast. | Feb 06 14:46 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The Economist says: Broken Britain? Utter nonsense http://bit.ly/ax8QCZ | Feb 06 14:54 | |
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| Omar87_ | schestowitz: I'm kinda looking for some alternative to the MS offer to suggest to my mates in the Association. Do have any ideas? | Feb 06 14:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Canadian Rights & Democracy org undermined, stacked by PM's Conservative cronies to muzzle & subvert http://bit.ly/bJC6fU #canada #harper | Feb 06 15:05 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Though pkg-get and OpenCSW make installing current software on Solaris 10 almost feasible | Feb 06 15:10 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] ... even if OpenCSW spell "dependency" as "dependancy". augurs well for attention to detail. | Feb 06 15:12 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just converted my desktop from RAID1 to RAID5 with one simple command. I love Linux software RAID. | Feb 06 15:26 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Todays fortune: #Gravity is a #myth, the #Earth #sucks. (via abbe) :D | Feb 06 15:52 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Watching Shaheed on Omni, interesting movie about the push for Indian independence. | Feb 06 16:36 | |
| MinceR | http://fatpita.net/?i=717 | Feb 06 16:54 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "Situation of the #Iraq i people already extremely fragile. Any disruption could lead to a humanitarian catastrophe" Clare Short to #Blair | Feb 06 17:04 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "Explicit UN mandate essential for the #UN and others to legally engage on the reconstruction of #Iraq," Clare Short to #Blair | Feb 06 17:05 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RMS to interact (telephonic) with students in MIT- chromepet on feb 27 ; Topic: Dangers of software patents http://bit.ly/bjFZ1f | Feb 06 17:07 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "it became apparent, after not very long, that [#Blair] was just manipulating" Clare Short #iraq #war http://bit.ly/aKkMkT | Feb 06 17:07 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Short finally resigned.. 2 months after the #war began, ..her 3rd resignation from office on a point of principle http://bit.ly/aKkMkT #iraq | Feb 06 17:10 | |
| oiaohm | Although we may not be perfect, we don’t suffer the police state that monitors citizens via CTV << Ya right Large areas of some Australian cities you cannot get off police CTV. http://thenextweb.com/au/2010/02/05/afraid-internet-censorship-australia-live/ | Feb 06 17:12 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] I timed #ubuntu #lucid booting in VirtualBox. Not bad at all.. http://bit.ly/bvK8YY | Feb 06 17:14 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Holy spooky batman. Some stranger is leaving blog comments under my name and E-mail address and I get E-mail notifications, | Feb 06 17:17 | |
| schestowitz | [14:58] <Omar87_> schestowitz: I'm kinda looking for some alternative to the MS offer to suggest to my mates in the Association. Do have any ideas? | Feb 06 17:17 |
| schestowitz | alternative? | Feb 06 17:17 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] senior Welsh MP saw proof Tony #Blair and George #Bush struck a deal to invade #Iraq http://bit.ly/acxhnr #war #uk #chilcot | Feb 06 17:20 | |
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| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/02/nehalem-mac-pros-take-20-performance-hit-when-playing-audio.ars | Feb 06 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | Funny picture...... http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/?p=1627 | Feb 06 17:35 |
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| MinceR | :) | Feb 06 17:39 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: sorry bad news the sign is required. Seen cases of stupid people dancing on them and end up hitting thier head on something not movable. ie there is not enough room to swing a human. | Feb 06 17:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Thanks #HP: Due to your defective application, I just wasted two hours scanning and can't save the results. #fail #hewlettpackard | Feb 06 17:59 | |
| MinceR | there's always enough room to swing a human, if you're using enough force :> | Feb 06 17:59 |
| oiaohm | I was meaning keeping human in one piece MinceR | Feb 06 18:00 |
| oiaohm | Not spliting them into many little bits. | Feb 06 18:01 |
| MinceR | pft | Feb 06 18:01 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 06 18:01 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] USB port of my phone got b0rked , back online from bluetooth #networkmanager #linux #ftw | Feb 06 18:02 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Washington Post's graphs of federal budget deficit http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/04/washington-posts-gra.html Very interesting graph | Feb 06 18:04 | |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: he's a mincer | Feb 06 18:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/04/oracle_lights_out_for_project_darkstar/ | Feb 06 18:08 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Oracle: destroyer of virtual worlds • The Register .::. Size~: 23.8 KB | Feb 06 18:08 |
| oiaohm | Really how can Oracle destroy a virtual world. | Feb 06 18:20 |
| oiaohm | If it good it will stay alive. | Feb 06 18:20 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100127/2056137950.shtml | Feb 06 18:28 |
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| MinceR | http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/android-kernel-problems.html | Feb 06 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | Us issue: http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/02/corporation-says-it-will-run-for-congress/ | Feb 06 18:50 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: "monkey log" | Feb 06 18:51 |
| schestowitz | You can tell he works for Ballmer | Feb 06 18:51 |
| MinceR | yeah | Feb 06 18:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.inc.com/magazine/20040301/nbrodsky.html "Among the many hazards of business success is this one: The bigger your company gets, the less contact you have with some of the most important people who have helped get you there, namely, your customers. You just can't spend as much time with them as you did in the early days." | Feb 06 18:52 |
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| schestowitz | One BN reader described him as "Microsoft's Novell's Greg" | Feb 06 18:52 |
| MinceR | hm, perhaps that's why icaza is obsessed with monkeys | Feb 06 18:52 |
| MinceR | because of monkey boy | Feb 06 18:53 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100203/0334228025.shtml | Feb 06 18:53 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.ajc.com/news/uga-employee-accused-of-289635.html | Feb 06 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | Turkish girl, 16, buried alive for talking to boys < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/04/girl-buried-alive-turkey > | Feb 06 19:31 |
| schestowitz | daemonfc should see this: http://www.prwatch.org/node/8863 | Feb 06 19:34 |
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| schestowitz | Wal-Mart Using Fake Community Group to Manufacture Support | Feb 06 19:35 |
| schestowitz | http://mobile.chicagoist.com/2010/01/26/wal-mart_using_fake_community_group.php | Feb 06 19:35 |
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| schestowitz | Ubuntunonical COO: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10446693-16.html | Feb 06 19:38 |
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| schestowitz | As much as I want to defend Ubuntu, I am finding it harder as time goes by | Feb 06 19:39 |
| schestowitz | http://asterisk.tmcnet.com/topics/open-source/articles/74346-google-chrome-extensions-now-all-windows-users.htm | Feb 06 19:40 |
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| schestowitz | Next thing you know, Canonical will do more of the adoration of "battery killer" (Vista 7), just as MarkS did last year | Feb 06 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Exaggeration: http://www.xchangemag.com/hotnews/symbian-os-takes-on-android--linux-in-massive.html | Feb 06 19:43 |
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| schestowitz | http://jobs.techworld.com.au/i-t--and-t-jobs/engineer---hardware/894586 | Feb 06 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Still thriving | Feb 06 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Spot the reversal: http://nwitimes.com/business/columnists/april-miller-cripliver/article_fff704bf-01ad-5e45-b9e5-b7e8bfab238f.html "As I'm sure you have noticed, Macintosh computers and Linux operating systems seem to have almost a cult following." | Feb 06 19:50 |
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| schestowitz | Last time I checked, Steve and Bill created cults that ignored standards and relied on stereotyping | Feb 06 19:51 |
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| lyle | hi | Feb 06 19:53 |
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| lyle | was just reading about Matt Asay becoming the new COO of Ubuntu | Feb 06 19:54 |
| lyle | Canonical I mean | Feb 06 19:54 |
| lyle | a bit worrying | Feb 06 19:54 |
| lyle | ever since he joined Alfresco, he's been pushing Mono | Feb 06 19:55 |
| lyle | (as Alfresco's software is based on Mono) | Feb 06 19:55 |
| lyle | and recently with the GPL -> LGPL switch | Feb 06 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Hi | Feb 06 19:55 |
| lyle | what do you think about that? | Feb 06 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Several things | Feb 06 19:56 |
| schestowitz | We wrote about this yesterday | Feb 06 19:56 |
| schestowitz | One hour ago I wrote: | Feb 06 19:56 |
| schestowitz | [19:38] <schestowitz> Ubuntunonical COO: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10446693-16.html | Feb 06 19:56 |
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| schestowitz | [19:39] <schestowitz> As much as I want to defend Ubuntu, I am finding it harder as time goes by | Feb 06 19:56 |
| schestowitz | He's still an Apple fan | Feb 06 19:56 |
| lyle | yea, that too | Feb 06 19:56 |
| schestowitz | He's not a huge defender of Mono | Feb 06 19:56 |
| schestowitz | He once criticised Miguel | Feb 06 19:56 |
| lyle | and the fact he doesn't run Linux on his desktop | Feb 06 19:57 |
| lyle | is a bit worrying | Feb 06 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Then Miguel mailed him | Feb 06 19:57 |
| schestowitz | So he apologised/retracted | Feb 06 19:57 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't seem to cover Moonlight stuff | Feb 06 19:57 |
| lyle | I didn't know about that | Feb 06 19:57 |
| schestowitz | He said he would move | Feb 06 19:57 |
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| schestowitz | " @schestowitz done! You'll be seeing me talk a lot about it, too. Finally!! " | Feb 06 19:57 |
| schestowitz | He did try with his grandma 2 years ago | Feb 06 19:58 |
| schestowitz | I believe he can make the move and I give him the benefit of the doubt | Feb 06 19:58 |
| schestowitz | But the fanboyism for Bong just yesterday was alarming | Feb 06 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Same with the continued Apple cheers I see today | Feb 06 19:58 |
| lyle | I agree | Feb 06 19:58 |
| schestowitz | He was made COO cause he befriended MarkS two years ago | Feb 06 19:59 |
| schestowitz | They went together to ski in Argentina where Asay's dad is located | Feb 06 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Asay sucks MarkS' ass almost as much as Vary Guy | Feb 06 19:59 |
| schestowitz | *Var Guy | Feb 06 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Blankenhorn kisses Asay's arse | Feb 06 19:59 |
| lyle | I hate people like that | Feb 06 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Var Guy build the site WorkingWithU, which is like 24/7 Ubuntu ads | Feb 06 20:00 |
| schestowitz | But anyway, it's like a group of boosters showering one another with trophies. I never likes that. | Feb 06 20:00 |
| schestowitz | It reminds me of Davos | Feb 06 20:00 |
| lyle | me neither | Feb 06 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Or Royal Society | Feb 06 20:01 |
| lyle | what's davos? | Feb 06 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Or Bilderberg | Feb 06 20:01 |
| schestowitz | World Forum | Feb 06 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Where "King" Gates gives his prophecies | Feb 06 20:01 |
| lyle | oh | Feb 06 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Like "spam will end in 2006" | Feb 06 20:01 |
| lyle | if only ;) | Feb 06 20:01 |
| schestowitz | What's where the rich and powerful strut their stuff publicly | Feb 06 20:01 |
| schestowitz | The secretive equivalents are the CFR's (et al) | Feb 06 20:01 |
| schestowitz | http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/28/putin-turns-down-michael-dells-aid-offer-at-davos/ | Feb 06 20:02 |
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| lyle | thanks for the link, I'll read it over | Feb 06 20:02 |
| schestowitz | lyle: jono is here watching and I don't want to annoy Canonical. I'm really trying to like them | Feb 06 20:03 |
| jono | schestowitz I don't you chaps to feel like I am invading your space, btw, I hope you don't mind me hanging out here | Feb 06 20:03 |
| jono | there should have been a 'want' after the don't | Feb 06 20:04 |
| lyle | jono, you work for canonical? | Feb 06 20:04 |
| jono | lyle, yep | Feb 06 20:05 |
| lyle | ic | Feb 06 20:05 |
| schestowitz | jono: I don't know | Feb 06 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Oops | Feb 06 20:06 |
| schestowitz | I meant, lyle: I don't know | Feb 06 20:06 |
| schestowitz | They are welcome herew, they help | Feb 06 20:06 |
| schestowitz | popey is also here sometimes | Feb 06 20:07 |
| lyle | I'm confused, you don't know about what? | Feb 06 20:07 |
| *schestowitz lidtens | Feb 06 20:07 | |
| lyle | jono, I read that Ubuntu 10.4 will include more mono software. Is this true? And also that Ubuntu 10.4 or 10.10 might replace Rhythmbox with Banshee? | Feb 06 20:10 |
| lyle | Why not just put some developers on Rhythmbox and make it better rather than considering tainting your distro further? Same goes for Tomboy vs Gnote | Feb 06 20:12 |
| lyle | nobody wants that cr@p | Feb 06 20:12 |
| lyle | and please, educate Matt Asay on FOSS, he seems to confuse FOSS and OSS | Feb 06 20:13 |
| schestowitz | No | Feb 06 20:14 |
| schestowitz | "commercial open source" | Feb 06 20:14 |
| MinceR | the RDF might prevent him from being educated | Feb 06 20:14 |
| schestowitz | That's what he and others like Roberto call it | Feb 06 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Implying -- IMHO -- that Free software is not good for commerce | Feb 06 20:14 |
| lyle | I was trying to put it nicely ;) | Feb 06 20:15 |
| schestowitz | But I'm not sure it was very different before | Feb 06 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Does Siebert use Ubuntu? | Feb 06 20:15 |
| schestowitz | She was COO beforehand | Feb 06 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Silber I mean | Feb 06 20:16 |
| lyle | jono, oh, and I almost forgot: get rid of f-spot | Feb 06 20:16 |
| schestowitz | http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&c2coff=1&q=Silber%20ubuntu&oq=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi | Feb 06 20:16 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Northern Ireland. BBC news. So called informed academic still bringing up the same old nonsense that the INLA were involved in drug dealing | Feb 06 20:17 | |
| schestowitz | http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/73?size=preview | Feb 06 20:17 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: UK Linux Award Trophy... with cheese | The Fridge .::. Size~: 8.35 KB | Feb 06 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Good photo..... | Feb 06 20:17 |
| schestowitz | I'm trying to find a photo where she uses a laptop | Feb 06 20:17 |
| lyle | I would hope she uses Ubuntu | Feb 06 20:18 |
| schestowitz | I remember when Matthew left Red Hat | Feb 06 20:18 |
| schestowitz | They needed to find a CEO that was using Linux | Feb 06 20:18 |
| schestowitz | It was not easy to find MBAs who are also into FS | Feb 06 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Whitehurst claimed that have used Fedora | Feb 06 20:19 |
| schestowitz | ANyway... | Feb 06 20:19 |
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| Murloc | Hi all | Feb 06 20:20 |
| jono | lyle, 10.04 will not include Banshee, it will include Rhythmbox like normal | Feb 06 20:22 |
| jono | and we have no plans to remove F-Spot | Feb 06 20:22 |
| jono | lyle, our Technical Board's statement on our position on Mono is https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-June/000584.html | Feb 06 20:22 |
| lyle | so I take it by your phrasing that 10.10 *will* include Banshee? | Feb 06 20:23 |
| lyle | I guess it's good at least that 10.4 will still ship Rhythmbox | Feb 06 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Check out the beginning of this article: | Feb 06 20:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.release-news.com/index.php/technology/1445-why-to-go-for-a-penetrator-vulnerability-scanning-appliance | Feb 06 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Murloc: hey! | Feb 06 20:28 |
| schestowitz | I'm glad you're here | Feb 06 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Could you do this translation you mentioned for us, please? | Feb 06 20:28 |
| Murloc | I've updated my software :P | Feb 06 20:28 |
| Murloc | yeah | Feb 06 20:28 |
| Murloc | But Bosnian/Croatian/Serbian | Feb 06 20:28 |
| schestowitz | That would be good | Feb 06 20:28 |
| Murloc | is the same language with added j letter on some words | Feb 06 20:28 |
| schestowitz | "Normal 0 false false false MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:"";" | Feb 06 20:29 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Feb 06 20:29 |
| jono | lyle, how can you confuse "10.04 will not include Banshee" | Feb 06 20:29 |
| jono | it will *NOT* include Banshee | Feb 06 20:29 |
| Murloc | Someone hates internet explorer :p | Feb 06 20:29 |
| jono | oh, misread | Feb 06 20:29 |
| schestowitz | SOmeone put it in this page | Feb 06 20:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.release-news.com/index.php/technology/1445-why-to-go-for-a-penetrator-vulnerability-scanning-appliance | Feb 06 20:29 |
| jono | why do you assume we will include Banshee in 10.19, lyle? | Feb 06 20:29 |
| jono | there have no discussions | Feb 06 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw detests Ubuntu's patent policy | Feb 06 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Just sayin'... | Feb 06 20:30 |
| lyle | jono, someone told me Ubuntu was interested in Banshee for 10.x | Feb 06 20:30 |
| lyle | perhaps the person was wrong | Feb 06 20:30 |
| Murloc | The only good, i repeat the only good thing with Win7 is that it doesn't get crazy after some time like XP. About security... Swiss cheese. | Feb 06 20:30 |
| jono | lyle, heh, then they made that up | Feb 06 20:30 |
| lyle | good | Feb 06 20:30 |
| jono | we discuss those decisions at UDS | Feb 06 20:31 |
| jono | and I would be surprised if we ship Banshee | Feb 06 20:31 |
| jono | as (a) Banshee has accessability problems and (b) we are shipping the Ubuntu One Music Store in 10.04 | Feb 06 20:31 |
| jono | and also, Rhythmbox works great :) | Feb 06 20:31 |
| lyle | glad to hear! | Feb 06 20:31 |
| lyle | one less mono program contaminating Ubuntu | Feb 06 20:31 |
| jono | lol | Feb 06 20:32 |
| jono | righ | Feb 06 20:32 |
| jono | right | Feb 06 20:32 |
| Murloc | Anyway | Feb 06 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Murloc: it's the "battery shredder" | Feb 06 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Or "battery killer" | Feb 06 20:32 |
| schestowitz | That's what I'll call it from now on | Feb 06 20:32 |
| Murloc | It's good that i don't use laptop. | Feb 06 20:32 |
| Murloc | And if i did i would use Linux. | Feb 06 20:32 |
| schestowitz | "Oh no! Don't install the battery shredder! It'll mess about w/ your hardware, matey!" | Feb 06 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Wow! | Feb 06 20:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.hardocp.com/news/2010/02/05/mozilla_releases_thunderbird_lsquolanikairsquo_31_alpha/ | Feb 06 20:33 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: [H]ard|OCP - Mozilla Releases Thunderbird ‘Lanikai’ 3.1 Alpha .::. Size~: 13.34 KB | Feb 06 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla is FAST! | Feb 06 20:33 |
| Murloc | Why do i have feeling that NT is from BSD? | Feb 06 20:35 |
| lyle | jono, imo Ubuntu should drop all mono, you can't trust the mono devs. they are trying to destroy linux | Feb 06 20:36 |
| lyle | they are all Micro$oft fanbois | Feb 06 20:36 |
| MinceR | i think it would be acceptable to keep mono stuff in one of the nonfree repos | Feb 06 20:36 |
| jono | lyle, read the Tech Board statement, that outlines our position | Feb 06 20:36 |
| jono | right now we see no reason to drop it | Feb 06 20:37 |
| Murloc | The only thing Microsoft is good at is marketing brainwashing... | Feb 06 20:37 |
| jono | and you know what, if you don't like it, uninstall it :-) | Feb 06 20:37 |
| jono | we try to make Ubuntu as flexible as possible for uninstalling things people don't like | Feb 06 20:37 |
| jono | while we understand not everyone will agree on what we put on by default, we want to make it easy to uninstall things | Feb 06 20:38 |
| jono | :) | Feb 06 20:38 |
| jono | we are all on the same side :) | Feb 06 20:38 |
| lyle | jono, I read it already, but it does not take into consideration that Mico$oft wants to destroy GNU and Linux nor does it take into consideration the mono developers are trolls who are helping to infect FOSS to make it easy for M$ | Feb 06 20:38 |
| jono | lyle, LOL, I think you have it wrong | Feb 06 20:38 |
| jono | I know the Mono guys, I knew them before they were Mono guys | Feb 06 20:38 |
| jono | they don't want to help MS "infect FOSS" | Feb 06 20:38 |
| jono | anyone who claims Miguel is a traitor does not know Miguel | Feb 06 20:39 |
| jono | I knew him when I coi-founded GNOME and he is a good guy | Feb 06 20:39 |
| lyle | then why do they promote mono and silverlight? | Feb 06 20:39 |
| jono | lyle, because that is their interest | Feb 06 20:39 |
| jono | does my support of Python mean I want C to go away? | Feb 06 20:39 |
| jono | of course not | Feb 06 20:39 |
| jono | it just means that Python as a development framework turns me on | Feb 06 20:39 |
| lyle | but they only help m$ | Feb 06 20:39 |
| jono | and Miguel and the Mono team find C# an interesting framework | Feb 06 20:39 |
| lyle | no one wants .NET on FOSS | Feb 06 20:40 |
| jono | lyle, thats bullshit | Feb 06 20:40 |
| lyle | except the mono guys | Feb 06 20:40 |
| jono | lyle, I went to a number of .NET conferences to speak. and they love FLOSS | Feb 06 20:40 |
| lyle | then why can't they switch to Java? | Feb 06 20:40 |
| jono | lyle, I don't use Java, does that mean I hate FLOSS? | Feb 06 20:41 |
| jono | from a development perspective C# is awesome | Feb 06 20:41 |
| lyle | no, but Python is FOSS | Feb 06 20:41 |
| jono | right, and Mono is FLOSS | Feb 06 20:41 |
| lyle | how is it awesome? it's just a rip-off of Java | Feb 06 20:41 |
| jono | and C# is an ECMA approved language | Feb 06 20:41 |
| jono | C# and Mono is just as open as Python | Feb 06 20:42 |
| lyle | no it's not | Feb 06 20:42 |
| jono | heh | Feb 06 20:42 |
| jono | ight | Feb 06 20:42 |
| jono | right | Feb 06 20:42 |
| MinceR | mono is only FLOSS where software patents can't be enforced | Feb 06 20:42 |
| MinceR | moonlie/silverlie even less so | Feb 06 20:42 |
| lyle | and also M$ controls the spec | Feb 06 20:42 |
| lyle | so no one can modify it | Feb 06 20:43 |
| jono | lyle, does that mean Python is wrong because Google control the spec by employing Guido? | Feb 06 20:43 |
| jono | MinceR, all software is at risk of patents | Feb 06 20:43 |
| jono | MinceR, does that mean we should use Linux? | Feb 06 20:43 |
| MinceR | not all software is under a constant grave threat though | Feb 06 20:43 |
| jono | IBM have a patent for numbers and letters on screen at the same time | Feb 06 20:43 |
| jono | MinceR, yes it is | Feb 06 20:43 |
| jono | by many companies, not just MS | Feb 06 20:43 |
| jono | that is why software patents are wrong | Feb 06 20:43 |
| MinceR | jono: most patent owners actually aren't out to destroy the entire IT industry | Feb 06 20:43 |
| jono | anyway chaps | Feb 06 20:43 |
| jono | must run | Feb 06 20:43 |
| MinceR | m$ is | Feb 06 20:43 |
| lyle | jono, but the Python spec is open | Feb 06 20:44 |
| lyle | so Google doesn't control it | Feb 06 20:44 |
| jono | I would love to chat more, but I am organizing some python tutorial sessions | Feb 06 20:44 |
| jono | take care, folks! | Feb 06 20:44 |
| jono | later schestowitz :-) | Feb 06 20:44 |
| Murloc | Roy | Feb 06 20:45 |
| Murloc | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/dec/15/microsoft-plurk | Feb 06 20:45 |
| Murloc | :p | Feb 06 20:45 |
| Murloc | Microsoft admits stealing code from startup | Feb 06 20:45 |
| lyle | they are dispicable | Feb 06 20:46 |
| lyle | I'd love to see them put in jail where they belong | Feb 06 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Feb 06 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Murloc: let's see.. | Feb 06 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Yes, older news | Feb 06 20:46 |
| lyle | schestowitz, thanks for the chat but I should be going (just realized the time!) | Feb 06 20:47 |
| lyle | take care | Feb 06 20:47 |
| schestowitz | [20:40] <jono> lyle, I went to a number of .NET conferences to speak. and they love FLOSS | Feb 06 20:47 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Feb 06 20:47 |
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| schestowitz | That's self explanatory | Feb 06 20:48 |
| jono | schestowitz seriously | Feb 06 20:48 |
| jono | you would be surprised how many people love to create Open Source software with non-Open source frameworks | Feb 06 20:48 |
| schestowitz | jono: yes | Feb 06 20:48 |
| jono | there is *tonnes* of .NET Open source | Feb 06 20:48 |
| jono | I was astonished :) | Feb 06 20:48 |
| schestowitz | It only weakens your position, IMHO | Feb 06 20:48 |
| schestowitz | It's not open source | Feb 06 20:49 |
| jono | because Open source is awesome for developers, but it doesnt assume you need to use an open source framework | Feb 06 20:49 |
| jono | I am not saying .NET is Open source | Feb 06 20:49 |
| schestowitz | It's the Microsoft ecosystem's | Feb 06 20:49 |
| jono | it isnt | Feb 06 20:49 |
| jono | but Mono is | Feb 06 20:49 |
| schestowitz | It's embrace and extend | Feb 06 20:49 |
| schestowitz | History teaches how it works | Feb 06 20:49 |
| jono | schestowitz I disagree | Feb 06 20:49 |
| jono | all languages are driven by companies | Feb 06 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Mono is not | Feb 06 20:49 |
| jono | Sun/Jave Google/Python | Feb 06 20:49 |
| schestowitz | It's poisonware | Feb 06 20:49 |
| cubezzz | *ahem* C language? | Feb 06 20:49 |
| schestowitz | It's illusion of Free | Feb 06 20:49 |
| cubezzz | ;-) | Feb 06 20:49 |
| jono | Bell Labs/C | Feb 06 20:49 |
| schestowitz | it has patent boundaries | Feb 06 20:49 |
| schestowitz | See the FSF's statement re Mono and C# | Feb 06 20:50 |
| jono | I have seen it, and I disagree | Feb 06 20:50 |
| jono | but y'know, each to their own :) | Feb 06 20:50 |
| jono | anyway, I really must run | Feb 06 20:50 |
| jono | take care all | Feb 06 20:50 |
| jono | speak soon :) | Feb 06 20:50 |
| cubezzz | later | Feb 06 20:50 |
| schestowitz | OK | Feb 06 20:50 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.dipinkrishna.info/2010/01/ubuntu-8044-lts-released-fourth.html | Feb 06 20:51 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Linux Tips: Ubuntu 8.04.4 LTS released (the fourth maintenance update) .::. Size~: 116.42 KB | Feb 06 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, same Microsoft talking point re Mono | Feb 06 20:51 |
| schestowitz | MSMVP Miguel would be proud | Feb 06 20:51 |
| schestowitz | He has Novell's PR people spread that stuff by repeating it over and over again | Feb 06 20:51 |
| schestowitz | BN does not have 'staff' like Novell+Microsoft | Feb 06 20:51 |
| cubezzz | if it's C and I have source and can compile it and the code isn't obfuscated, then it's open source or FOSS or whatever | Feb 06 20:52 |
| schestowitz | "Mind Control: To control mental output you have to control mental input. Take control of the channels by which developers receive information, then they can only think about the things you tell them. Thus, you control mindshare!" -Microsoft, internal document | Feb 06 20:52 |
| cubezzz | lol, that's Orwellian | Feb 06 20:52 |
| schestowitz | "Interoperability" is another example | Feb 06 20:52 |
| cubezzz | do you have a date for that schestowitz? | Feb 06 20:52 |
| schestowitz | It's code word for patents | Feb 06 20:52 |
| schestowitz | And making people migrate to Windows | Feb 06 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Today: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/188659/microsoft_to_drop_linux_unix_versions_of_enterprise_search.html | Feb 06 20:53 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft to Drop Linux, Unix Versions of Enterprise Search - PCWorld Business Center .::. Size~: 59.22 KB | Feb 06 20:53 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=5166 | Feb 06 20:53 |
| schestowitz | http://redmondmag.com/articles/2010/02/05/fast-search-will-be-a-windows-only-product.aspx | Feb 06 20:53 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft Ending Cross-Platform FAST Search Core -- Redmondmag.com .::. Size~: 75.17 KB | Feb 06 20:53 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-10448610-62.html | Feb 06 20:53 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft dropping FAST search for Linux, Unix | Software, Interrupted - CNET News .::. Size~: 83.69 KB | Feb 06 20:53 |
| schestowitz | It's like Photosyth. Microsoft buys something that runs on GNU/Linux and makes it Windows-only. | Feb 06 20:53 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: late 90s I think | Feb 06 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, it's frustrating how people miss the simple truth | Feb 06 20:55 |
| schestowitz | And Ubuntu becomes a source of Microsoft clients | Feb 06 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Bong [sic] for users and .NET for devs | Feb 06 20:56 |
| cubezzz | I programmed for doze at one point, and I didn't care for it | Feb 06 20:56 |
| schestowitz | I guess the PR offensives of Microsoft and Novell paid off in influencing other distros | Feb 06 20:56 |
| cubezzz | Linux programming seems more logical | Feb 06 20:56 |
| Murloc | Hmm Novell2? | Feb 06 20:58 |
| Murloc | this is pathetic http://www.osnews.com/story/22839/Zucker_Misses_the_Mark_Wrongly_Accuses_Boxee_of_Stealing | Feb 06 20:58 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Zucker Misses the Mark, Wrongly Accuses Boxee of Stealing .::. Size~: 22.37 KB | Feb 06 20:58 |
| schestowitz | http://shibuvarkala.blogspot.com/2010/01/mirror-your-remote-server-graphically.html | Feb 06 20:58 |
| cubezzz | here is a sample :) | Feb 06 20:58 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Mirror Your Remote Server Graphically with Grsync in Ubuntu Linux |Linux and Microcontroller Tips .::. Size~: 127.22 KB | Feb 06 20:58 |
| cubezzz | LRESULT CALLBACK MainWndProc (HWND hwnd, UINT uMsg, WPARAM wParam, LPARAM lParam); | Feb 06 20:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 06 20:59 |
| schestowitz | The only honourable course for any Free Software organisation that is victimised in this fashion is to close down ALL distribution services with the message; | Feb 06 20:59 |
| schestowitz | 403: President Obama has dictated that we are no longer permitted to FREELY distribute our software. | Feb 06 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Oppression remains oppression whether it is Chinese sponsored, or US sponsored. | Feb 06 20:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 06 20:59 |
| cubezzz | see how easy it is to follow? :) | Feb 06 20:59 |
| schestowitz | unsigned int.... | Feb 06 20:59 |
| schestowitz | What's HWND? | Feb 06 20:59 |
| cubezzz | it's a windows handle | Feb 06 21:00 |
| cubezzz | handle Windows | Feb 06 21:00 |
| cubezzz | Handle WiNDows | Feb 06 21:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.makinggoodsoftware.com/2009/05/19/the-average-programmer/ | Feb 06 21:01 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The average Software Developer versus the good Software Developer. | Making Good Software .::. Size~: 40.77 KB | Feb 06 21:01 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: OS specific? | Feb 06 21:01 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft likes to prefix their variables with the lowercase letter h to represent a 'handle' to that object | Feb 06 21:01 |
| schestowitz | It's never s good sign when OS named enter code | Feb 06 21:01 |
| cubezzz | yes | Feb 06 21:01 |
| schestowitz | *names | Feb 06 21:02 |
| cubezzz | ok, now a Linux example: | Feb 06 21:02 |
| cubezzz | from a similar program | Feb 06 21:02 |
| schestowitz | it implies that either: | Feb 06 21:02 |
| schestowitz | 1) you target one of many | Feb 06 21:02 |
| schestowitz | or | Feb 06 21:02 |
| schestowitz | 2) there are more than one OS in your world (like more than one GOD *shucks!) | Feb 06 21:03 |
| cubezzz | w = XCreateSimpleWindow(dpy, DefaultRootWindow(dpy), 0, 0, | Feb 06 21:03 |
| cubezzz | ScreenSizeX, ScreenSizeY, 0, blackColor, blackColor); | Feb 06 21:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/linux-mint-helena.html | Feb 06 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft invested the window :-) | Feb 06 21:03 |
| schestowitz | *invented | Feb 06 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Same thing... invested | Feb 06 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Invested in marketing the perception it had invented it | Feb 06 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Let's be fair though | Feb 06 21:04 |
| schestowitz | re Windows code | Feb 06 21:04 |
| schestowitz | This code is not something Bill dove into garbage cans for | Feb 06 21:04 |
| cubezzz | basically I found it easier to learn X than Windows | Feb 06 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | He just hired some people who are coders (not lawyers like him) to write some code) | Feb 06 21:04 |
| cubezzz | I don't think Gates wrote any windows code | Feb 06 21:06 |
| cubezzz | for me the big thing is I can compile everything (almost) | Feb 06 21:07 |
| cubezzz | I can compile all my drivers, except the video driver | Feb 06 21:07 |
| cubezzz | I'm thinking about ways to deal with that last issue | Feb 06 21:07 |
| cubezzz | I compiled my own KDE too | Feb 06 21:07 |
| cubezzz | even if you aren't compiling you still can learn a lot of things by looking at the code | Feb 06 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Or change a few | Feb 06 21:09 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, you can deal with the OS specific stuff with conditional compilation | Feb 06 21:09 |
| schestowitz | I never tried changing KDE though I was tempted to mofidy knode | Feb 06 21:09 |
| cubezzz | some commercial games can be compiled for windows mac and linux all from the same files | Feb 06 21:10 |
| cubezzz | it can get a bit complex though | Feb 06 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 06 21:12 |
| cubezzz | I wrote some programs I called "universal" | Feb 06 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Just externalising the conditional statements | Feb 06 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Better to make it like Java | Feb 06 21:12 |
| cubezzz | you can compile them for windows or Linux without any changes | Feb 06 21:12 |
| schestowitz | I struggled to compile my programs for Windows | Feb 06 21:12 |
| cubezzz | it helps to have a mentor | Feb 06 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Eventually I hastily slapped some files together on a borrowed PC with VS | Feb 06 21:13 |
| schestowitz | VS was being an arse | Feb 06 21:13 |
| cubezzz | what is VS? | Feb 06 21:13 |
| schestowitz | And the code was like 5 times slower in Windows | Feb 06 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Visual Student [sic] | Feb 06 21:13 |
| cubezzz | oh, got to brainwash early eh? :) | Feb 06 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Real Men (and Women) use GCC | Feb 06 21:13 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: no | Feb 06 21:14 |
| cubezzz | well, it sucks if they force Microsoft on you | Feb 06 21:14 |
| schestowitz | I only used VS for like 2-3 hours IIRC, to compile the program | Feb 06 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Had it been intuitive and technically sounds (VS), then it would take minutes | Feb 06 21:14 |
| schestowitz | It just comes to show (to me at least) what utter rubbish Windows and VS can be compared to *nix/gcc | Feb 06 21:15 |
| schestowitz | And the compiler on Windows was utter cr*p | Feb 06 21:15 |
| schestowitz | To use the words of Torvalds | Feb 06 21:15 |
| schestowitz | The smart people use gnu | Feb 06 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Intel. MIT... | Feb 06 21:15 |
| schestowitz | The flunkies from college work for MSFT | Feb 06 21:15 |
| cubezzz | hmmm, most of the dozers seem to think Visual Studio is so amazing | Feb 06 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Marketing | Feb 06 21:16 |
| cubezzz | when I started porting to a different cpu I really started to understand gcc better | Feb 06 21:16 |
| cubezzz | yes, I was the target of Microsoft marketing | Feb 06 21:17 |
| cubezzz | I bought QuickC and Masm in the old days | Feb 06 21:17 |
| schestowitz | http://linuxbsdos.com/2010/02/01/pardus-2009-1-review/ | Feb 06 21:18 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Pardus 2009.1 review LinuxBSDos.com .::. Size~: 86.95 KB | Feb 06 21:18 |
| schestowitz | This one is good | Feb 06 21:18 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: Microsoft and Intel used analysts to attack architectures | Feb 06 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Before it became monocolure on server/desktop | Feb 06 21:18 |
| cubezzz | well, we had Motorola for a long while | Feb 06 21:19 |
| cubezzz | and I wrote Amiga code | Feb 06 21:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.serverwatch.com/hreviews/article.php/3765436 | Feb 06 21:19 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 06 21:19 |
| schestowitz | A couple of innocuous words that have insidious consequences. A simple marketing tagline, yet it appears to be seriously undermining a vast segment of the computer sector. What is it? The phrase, “industry standard.” | Feb 06 21:19 |
| schestowitz | It comes from the same warped (but ingenious) minds that coined the term “legacy” back in the 1990s. That harmless word served to forward the Windows NT – Intel processor gravy train at the expense of so-called inferior technologies like mainframe, OpenVMS and even Unix. Yet many would argue that despite all the genuine improvement to Windows in recent years to make it much more enterprise friendly, it still can’t hold a | Feb 06 21:19 |
| schestowitz | candle to many of these legacy systems. | Feb 06 21:19 |
| schestowitz | The rumor goes that the legacy propaganda was originated between a Gartner analyst and someone in the Windows NT development/marketing camp. Whether true or not, it certainly helped sell an awful lot of Wintel gear. Now we have “industry-standard” weaving its way into the computer lexicon. The hidden intention appears to be to outlaw RISC and everything else except x86-Intel fare. | Feb 06 21:19 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 06 21:19 |
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| cubezzz | the whole LVM is weird, I'm still getting used to it | Feb 06 21:20 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.datamation.com/blog/2010/01/four-security-w.html | Feb 06 21:20 |
| cubezzz | we always had standards though, all the way back to S-100 | Feb 06 21:20 |
| cubezzz | standards should be a good thing | Feb 06 21:21 |
| schestowitz | It's meant differently here | Feb 06 21:21 |
| cubezzz | yes, the wintel thing worked for a while | Feb 06 21:21 |
| schestowitz | "indusrty standard" as in social norm, sheep effect | Feb 06 21:21 |
| cubezzz | but I'm already out of monoculture... I have ARM | Feb 06 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 06 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Because phones improve | Feb 06 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Become smartphones | Feb 06 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Intesecting from the top | Feb 06 21:22 |
| schestowitz | sub-notebooks->tablet->phone | Feb 06 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Intel has Atom and Moblin | Feb 06 21:22 |
| schestowitz | But ARM has an upper hand | Feb 06 21:22 |
| schestowitz | The "battery killer" (V7) won't do on small devices | Feb 06 21:22 |
| schestowitz | The rumours about VM7 are yucky | Feb 06 21:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.esecurityplanet.com/features/article.phpr/3861686/Europe-to-Begin-Digital-Privacy-Overhaul.htm | Feb 06 21:24 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, one of the problems I have is I have no one to talk to about sl-5500 | Feb 06 21:25 |
| cubezzz | it's old so no one seems to be writing code for it | Feb 06 21:25 |
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| cubezzz | that's the way technology goes though | Feb 06 21:26 |
| schestowitz | http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/30288/ | Feb 06 21:29 |
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| schestowitz | "Ok, the first day is over. Saw some interesting talks and lots of people. Tomorrow even more interesting talks, and I have the opportunity to see Mr Icaza and Mr. Hartman in real life!" | Feb 06 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Why is he focused on Novell?? | Feb 06 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Tobi the FurnaceDude it here | Feb 06 21:29 |
| cubezzz | you're focused on Novell :) | Feb 06 21:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.unixmen.com/news-today/716-openofficeorg-32-rc2-is-out- | Feb 06 21:29 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: not m | Feb 06 21:30 |
| schestowitz | me | Feb 06 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Hans | Feb 06 21:30 |
| schestowitz | http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/131568/index.html | Feb 06 21:30 |
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| schestowitz | Var Guy starts boosting Microsoft..... http://www.thevarguy.com/2010/02/04/dotnetnuke-gains-channel-partner-momentum/ | Feb 06 21:32 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: DotNetNuke Gains Channel Partner Momentum | The VAR Guy .::. Size~: 52.2 KB | Feb 06 21:32 |
| schestowitz | And Lxer syndicates it !!!!!!!!!!!!! | Feb 06 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Actually, he didn't _start_ | Feb 06 21:32 |
| schestowitz | he did that before | Feb 06 21:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: hai | Feb 06 21:33 |
| *FurnaceBoy sits on Golden Chair | Feb 06 21:34 | |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: muito tempo! boa tarde | Feb 06 21:35 |
| cubezzz | dotnetnuke seems to be about lock-in :-/ | Feb 06 21:36 |
| cubezzz | var guys seems to talk about everything though | Feb 06 21:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.thevarguy.com/2010/02/05/ubuntu-for-business-canonical-makes-major-hire/ "First, some disclosure: The VAR Guy is a loyal reader of Asay’s Open Road blog. Back in May 2008, Asay claimed he actually met The VAR Guy… And The VAR Guy is forever linking to Asay’s blog." | Feb 06 21:38 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Ubuntu for Business: Canonical Makes Major Hire | The VAR Guy .::. Size~: 52.59 KB | Feb 06 21:38 |
| schestowitz | "Matt! Dude! Where are my reciprocal links, man!!" | Feb 06 21:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: You're not with us, you're against us ;-) | Feb 06 21:39 |
| schestowitz | "[PJ: On a personal note, while I like Matt personally, he wrote to me not long ago that he couldn't see why people were so negative about Microsoft, so this is the end for Ubuntu being truly FOSS, as far as I'm concerned, and the beginning of it becoming fused mystery meat, if I may put it that way. They can be whatever they want, of course, but I think it would be foolish to expect anything now but a loss of the F in FOSS at | Feb 06 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Canonical now.]" | Feb 06 21:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | mystery meat! She has a great knack for words. | Feb 06 21:41 |
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| FurnaceBoy | that's a keeper. | Feb 06 21:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ubuntu: Once free, now 'mystery meat' | Feb 06 21:41 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Feb 06 21:41 |
| cubezzz | I'm not completely happy with the video driver situation | Feb 06 21:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | "couldn't see why people were so negative about Microsoft" -- that's only about 0.2 Tartakoff units on the "wilfully ignorant shill" scale | Feb 06 21:42 |
| cubezzz | I don't have 100% FOSS yet | Feb 06 21:42 |
| ender2070 | whats that from? | Feb 06 21:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Inside-Contactless-Open-NFC/?kc=rss | Feb 06 21:43 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: NFC stack goes open source - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 64.57 KB | Feb 06 21:43 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: I guess so | Feb 06 21:43 |
| schestowitz | "Accidental monopoly...." | Feb 06 21:43 |
| ender2070 | FurnaceBoy - whats that from? | Feb 06 21:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: hahahaha oh boy | Feb 06 21:44 |
| schestowitz | He had too many lunches with Hilf and the others from the Gang | Feb 06 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Those who do the extortion | Feb 06 21:44 |
| schestowitz | They bought his love when he was in OSI | Feb 06 21:44 |
| schestowitz | It's called "Smooching" at Microsoft | Feb 06 21:44 |
| ender2070 | accidental monopoly? | Feb 06 21:44 |
| ender2070 | rofl | Feb 06 21:44 |
| schestowitz | NYT | Feb 06 21:45 |
| ender2070 | they haven't read comes | Feb 06 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft lackey | Feb 06 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Pinning a column there | Feb 06 21:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: http://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/8654662480 | Feb 06 21:45 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Twitter / Toby Thain: RT @josephtartakoff Harsh ... .::. Size~: 10.6 KB | Feb 06 21:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: astonishing attempt at revisionism | Feb 06 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Accident implies we should be sorry for them | Feb 06 21:45 |
| schestowitz | "Oh, you poor monopoly! Awwwwwww......." | Feb 06 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Poor gates | Feb 06 21:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: when I re-tweeted it, Tartakoff replied, confused that I called his column "pandering" | Feb 06 21:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: he can stay confused, he clearly lives in a different universe | Feb 06 21:46 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-6068538-7.html | Feb 06 21:46 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Quote of the day: Gates: 'I wish I wasn't' the richest man | News Blog - CNET News .::. Size~: 64.69 KB | Feb 06 21:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2006/may/05/citynews.digitalmedia | Feb 06 21:46 |
| schestowitz | awwwwwww..... | Feb 06 21:46 |
| schestowitz | He's SOOOOOO modest | Feb 06 21:46 |
| schestowitz | The guy who in his youth told a computer magazine that he wants to control the world | Feb 06 21:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | of course he wanted to control the world. | Feb 06 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Like daddy | Feb 06 21:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's writ large in what he writes and says | Feb 06 21:47 |
| schestowitz | He's just as bad, AFAICT | Feb 06 21:47 |
| schestowitz | And he has huge control the legal system in the US now | Feb 06 21:47 |
| schestowitz | He keeps a low profile | Feb 06 21:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | you only have to see his grin in the Albuquerque mugshot, it says, plain as day: "Today you arrest me. But one day I will be larger than the law." | Feb 06 21:47 |
| schestowitz | He and his dad work together on the foundation | Feb 06 21:47 |
| schestowitz | The dad keeps quieter | Feb 06 21:47 |
| schestowitz | They want to manage the world's drug (who lives and die), food, etc. | Feb 06 21:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | it was his motive all along, to claim as much power as humanly possible | Feb 06 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft wasn't enough for them | Feb 06 21:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Feb 06 21:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: precisely. | Feb 06 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Billgates.JPG | Feb 06 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | Add captions | Feb 06 21:49 |
| schestowitz | WaggeEd writes Wikipedia BTW | Feb 06 21:50 |
| schestowitz | They brush up his images | Feb 06 21:50 |
| schestowitz | I cought them | Feb 06 21:50 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Feb 06 21:50 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/05/waggener-edstrom-wikipedia/ | Feb 06 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | It's like orgamnised crime in my view | Feb 06 21:50 |
| schestowitz | WaggEd are the agents that comes at night after the crime to brush away the blood | Feb 06 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Pam Edstrom | Feb 06 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Even HER DAUGHTER exposed her | Feb 06 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Like the Baerman scum | Feb 06 21:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bermanexposed.org/ | Feb 06 21:51 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Berman and Company | Berman Exposed .::. Size~: 16.47 KB | Feb 06 21:51 |
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| Agent_Smith | Hi folks | Feb 06 21:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8168 | Feb 06 21:51 |
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| Guest28566 | Who changes my nick ??? | Feb 06 21:52 |
| Guest28566 | Hi folks | Feb 06 21:54 |
| *Guest28566 is now known as Agent-Smith | Feb 06 21:54 | |
| Agent-Smith | Ahhh | Feb 06 21:54 |
| Agent-Smith | Better | Feb 06 21:54 |
| Agent-Smith | Well, is any1 on ??? | Feb 06 21:54 |
| Agent-Smith | Folks, i just learned Matt Asay is replacing Mark Shuttleworth in Ubuntu | Feb 06 21:55 |
| Agent-Smith | Is this right ??? | Feb 06 21:55 |
| amarsh04 | yes | Feb 06 21:56 |
| Agent-Smith | And... | Feb 06 21:56 |
| amarsh04 | or rather he is the new COO | Feb 06 21:56 |
| Agent-Smith | What happens next ??? | Feb 06 21:57 |
| Agent-Smith | Another M$ Deal ??? Like Novell's ??? | Feb 06 21:57 |
| Agent-Smith | Hum ??? | Feb 06 21:57 |
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| FurnaceBoy | Agent-Smith: boa tarde | Feb 06 21:58 |
| Agent-Smith | Hi | Feb 06 21:58 |
| Agent-Smith | Oi | Feb 06 21:58 |
| Agent-Smith | E agora mermão ??? | Feb 06 21:59 |
| Agent-Smith | Esse Matt Asay ??? | Feb 06 21:59 |
| Agent-Smith | Dá pra sentir firmeza nesse cara ??? | Feb 06 21:59 |
| Agent-Smith | Ou a emenda saiu pior que o soneto ??? | Feb 06 21:59 |
| Agent-Smith | Quer que eu tecle em inglês ??? | Feb 06 22:00 |
| MinceR | i don't think that many people here understand portuguese (or spanish) | Feb 06 22:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | risos | Feb 06 22:02 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 06 22:02 |
| Agent-Smith | Ok | Feb 06 22:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | Agent-Smith: right | Feb 06 22:02 |
| Agent-Smith | So, can we trust him ??? | Feb 06 22:02 |
| MinceR | i don't trust asay | Feb 06 22:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | Agent-Smith: not really. | Feb 06 22:02 |
| Agent-Smith | Or things are going from bad to worse ??? | Feb 06 22:02 |
| Agent-Smith | And the Yahoo deal ??? | Feb 06 22:02 |
| MinceR | and i think that canonical is moving in a very bad direction | Feb 06 22:02 |
| Agent-Smith | Yup | Feb 06 22:02 |
| Agent-Smith | Agree | Feb 06 22:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | Agent-Smith: Asay "couldn't see why people were so negative about Microsoft". This makes him dangerously ignorant. | Feb 06 22:02 |
| Agent-Smith | Naive | Feb 06 22:03 |
| MinceR | he also regularly advertises crApple | Feb 06 22:03 |
| Agent-Smith | But a fake naive | Feb 06 22:03 |
| MinceR | also as an "open source" company, which it is not | Feb 06 22:03 |
| Agent-Smith | A paid naive perhaps | Feb 06 22:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | Agent-Smith: he probably falls into that pragmatist camp who thinks that everybody should just "get along", and these things are technical issues. | Feb 06 22:03 |
| Agent-Smith | Like Miguelito ??? | Feb 06 22:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | Agent-Smith: either truly naive, or paid to seem naive, yes. | Feb 06 22:03 |
| MinceR | could be a clueless fanboy or an astroturfer | Feb 06 22:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | Agent-Smith: Microsoft apologists are either genuinely naive, ignorant, or paid to seem so | Feb 06 22:04 |
| Agent-Smith | I'm unrest with these moves now | Feb 06 22:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | Agent-Smith: Miguelito has a long history as Microsoft agent | Feb 06 22:04 |
| Agent-Smith | Yup | Feb 06 22:04 |
| Agent-Smith | Since 1994, isn't it ??? | Feb 06 22:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | at least nobody really believes he;s anything else -- except for the pathologically naive, haha | Feb 06 22:04 |
| Agent-Smith | Well, Miguelito is trying hard to make a community inside a community | Feb 06 22:05 |
| Agent-Smith | The Mono cult inside Linux... | Feb 06 22:05 |
| Agent-Smith | This is dangerous | Feb 06 22:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | Agent-Smith: of course. it's a trick. | Feb 06 22:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | Agent-Smith: agora comeca a guerra risos | Feb 06 22:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | Agent-Smith: ou na verdade, continua a guerra | Feb 06 22:07 |
| Agent-Smith | Yup... A dissension inside the community | Feb 06 22:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | Agent-Smith: divide & conquer, ne | Feb 06 22:07 |
| Agent-Smith | Yup | Feb 06 22:07 |
| Agent-Smith | We can't let that happen | Feb 06 22:07 |
| Agent-Smith | At least, the mono apps suck | Feb 06 22:08 |
| Agent-Smith | And F-Spot is light years behind any KDE App alike | Feb 06 22:08 |
| Agent-Smith | But even Linux Inside is making articles praising (?!?!?) F-Spot | Feb 06 22:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | what about Krita | Feb 06 22:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | i haven't used it | Feb 06 22:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | (either) | Feb 06 22:10 |
| Agent-Smith | Krita is good | Feb 06 22:10 |
| Agent-Smith | But i use XnView | Feb 06 22:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | An aside: Adobe Lightroom is built on Lua, a very rational solution | Feb 06 22:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | it was the first "experiment" in that direction for them | Feb 06 22:11 |
| Agent-Smith | Fast, little, doesn't consumme too much resources | Feb 06 22:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. A great Brazilian product! :D | Feb 06 22:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | and very maintainable. | Feb 06 22:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | PUC-Rio, right? | Feb 06 22:11 |
| *FurnaceBoy has used and integrated Lua | Feb 06 22:12 | |
| Agent-Smith | LUA the language, yes | Feb 06 22:12 |
| Agent-Smith | This Adobe is Open Source ??? | Feb 06 22:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | Agent-Smith: no | Feb 06 22:13 |
| Agent-Smith | How can it be ??? They build on top of free software... | Feb 06 22:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | Agent-Smith: i was just drawing a parallel, re: Mono, it is definitely time for desktop apps to move away from C/C++, but obviously Mono is just a trap | Feb 06 22:14 |
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| Agent-Smith | Mono is NET, and what's NET ??? No one knows for sure | Feb 06 22:15 |
| MinceR | it's a patent trap | Feb 06 22:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: also mindshare. | Feb 06 22:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: basically, once they get you using MOno, there's all kinds of things they can do to you. | Feb 06 22:16 |
| Agent-Smith | Yup, agree, but Java, you know what it is... | Feb 06 22:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | I mean, how more transparent could the problem be... | Feb 06 22:16 |
| MinceR | afaik java is getting better | Feb 06 22:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | Agent-Smith: open | Feb 06 22:16 |
| Agent-Smith | Indeed | Feb 06 22:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | Agent-Smith: Sun opened it years ago | Feb 06 22:16 |
| MinceR | afaik they'll fix the memory management somewhat in java 7 | Feb 06 22:16 |
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| Agent-Smith | And i think with Oracle it's going even farer than before | Feb 06 22:16 |
| MinceR | they've mostly fixed the language itself in java 5, afaik | Feb 06 22:16 |
| MinceR | i'm no java expert though | Feb 06 22:17 |
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| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: well, even more interesting are other languages on the JVM. | Feb 06 22:17 |
| MinceR | and there are Qt and GTK+ bindings for it | Feb 06 22:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: Clojure, Scala, etc. | Feb 06 22:17 |
| MinceR | indeed | Feb 06 22:17 |
| MinceR | Jython :> | Feb 06 22:17 |
| Agent-Smith | Ok... | Feb 06 22:17 |
| Agent-Smith | And guys | Feb 06 22:17 |
| Agent-Smith | What about Oracle now ??? | Feb 06 22:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: however the jvm and java language have certain ineradicable limitations, so it can never be the end-all. but there are so many great competing technologies, we are very lucky in the open source world :) | Feb 06 22:18 |
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| Agent-Smith | Hey folks, | Feb 06 22:26 |
| Agent-Smith | Back on the Canonical subject | Feb 06 22:27 |
| Agent-Smith | What do you think will happen next ? | Feb 06 22:27 |
| MinceR | i don't want to paint the devil on the wall :> | Feb 06 22:28 |
| Agent-Smith | Something like M$-Novell ??? | Feb 06 22:28 |
| MinceR | who knows? | Feb 06 22:29 |
| Agent-Smith | Well | Feb 06 22:29 |
| Agent-Smith | I got other info on Canonical | Feb 06 22:29 |
| Agent-Smith | I have a friend from Ghana | Feb 06 22:30 |
| Agent-Smith | The guy from Ghabuntu | Feb 06 22:30 |
| Agent-Smith | Luqman Saeed | Feb 06 22:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Not going to D+B, way too much stress and faff and lateness. But did get a *shitload* of stuff done at home today! | Feb 06 22:30 | |
| Agent-Smith | And he told me | Feb 06 22:30 |
| Agent-Smith | Rumor has it | Feb 06 22:31 |
| Agent-Smith | Mark Shuttleworth resigned from Canonical CIO | Feb 06 22:31 |
| Agent-Smith | So Google can take over | Feb 06 22:31 |
| Agent-Smith | Canonical | Feb 06 22:31 |
| cubezzz | huh | Feb 06 22:31 |
| Agent-Smith | He told me this story | Feb 06 22:32 |
| ender2070 | http://www.pwnage.ca/?q=node/15 | Feb 06 22:32 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Review: OpenSUSE 11.2 - Is this a joke? | www.pwnage.ca .::. Size~: 12.01 KB | Feb 06 22:32 |
| ender2070 | I installed OpenSUSE today | Feb 06 22:32 |
| ender2070 | after mandriva | Feb 06 22:32 |
| ender2070 | mandriva wasnt even worth a review | Feb 06 22:32 |
| MinceR | if google took over, would that mean the end of the push for mono and bingo? | Feb 06 22:32 |
| Agent-Smith | Well, i guess, if Google does it, it will be by proxy, to avoid the DOJ | Feb 06 22:33 |
| cubezzz | I would hope so :) | Feb 06 22:33 |
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| Agent-Smith | Well, Chrome OS is based on Ubuntu... | Feb 06 22:34 |
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| ender2070 | MinceR - if google took over what | Feb 06 22:35 |
| ender2070 | they own search already | Feb 06 22:35 |
| MinceR | if google took over canonical | Feb 06 22:35 |
| ender2070 | ohhhh | Feb 06 22:35 |
| MinceR | i thought that was what Agent-Smith was talking about :) | Feb 06 22:36 |
| ender2070 | yeah that would be awesome | Feb 06 22:36 |
| ender2070 | except they wouldn't have had that yahoo/bing deal if that was going to happen | Feb 06 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Agent-Smith: I live Ghabuntu | Feb 06 22:37 |
| Agent-Smith | But, what gives ??? I guess Canonical is going to bed with too many people now... | Feb 06 22:37 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't say it would be awesome, but it would be less rotten than the current state of affairs | Feb 06 22:37 |
| schestowitz | And yes, Saeed is cool! | Feb 06 22:37 |
| Agent-Smith | Yup, he's my facebook friend too... | Feb 06 22:37 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: what is there to know about Ghabuntu and Saeed? | Feb 06 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Google? | Feb 06 22:37 |
| ender2070 | I like Google | Feb 06 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Well, they do Chrome OS | Feb 06 22:37 |
| schestowitz | But Canonical made a Bong [sic] deal | Feb 06 22:37 |
| schestowitz | So it's a bit of a collision right there | Feb 06 22:38 |
| ender2070 | lol | Feb 06 22:38 |
| schestowitz | [22:34] <Agent-Smith> Well, Chrome OS is based on Ubuntu... | Feb 06 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Ah, you beat me to it | Feb 06 22:38 |
| schestowitz | How does Saeed know about Googe? | Feb 06 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Speculation? | Feb 06 22:38 |
| cubezzz | so is gnewsense | Feb 06 22:38 |
| Agent-Smith | Well, he's in Ghana | Feb 06 22:38 |
| ender2070 | gnewsense will be based on debian shortly | Feb 06 22:38 |
| Agent-Smith | I guess he's close to the source | Feb 06 22:38 |
| Agent-Smith | South Africa | Feb 06 22:39 |
| schestowitz | [sarcasm /] Maybe Canonical signed with yahoo! to just tease Google :-p | Feb 06 22:39 |
| Agent-Smith | Yup, that's what i want to understand | Feb 06 22:39 |
| MinceR | or to make people feel better about the hypothetical google takeover? :> | Feb 06 22:39 |
| Agent-Smith | Seems Canonical is going to bed with too many partners these days... | Feb 06 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Agent-Smith: maybe I should write about this? | Feb 06 22:40 |
| schestowitz | At least as a possibility? | Feb 06 22:40 |
| schestowitz | But it makes little sense in a way | Feb 06 22:40 |
| Agent-Smith | Well | Feb 06 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Cause Asay defended Bong and so did Ubuntu | Feb 06 22:40 |
| Agent-Smith | I talked about this subject with him | Feb 06 22:40 |
| Agent-Smith | Sometime ago | Feb 06 22:40 |
| Agent-Smith | You can contact him | Feb 06 22:40 |
| Agent-Smith | And get the fresh story | Feb 06 22:41 |
| schestowitz | It just doesn't compute well after the Yahoo! deao | Feb 06 22:41 |
| schestowitz | l*deao | Feb 06 22:41 |
| schestowitz | (>*Deal | Feb 06 22:41 |
| Agent-Smith | Yup | Feb 06 22:41 |
| Agent-Smith | Seems weird | Feb 06 22:41 |
| Agent-Smith | Really weird | Feb 06 22:41 |
| Agent-Smith | And noe | Feb 06 22:41 |
| Agent-Smith | Now i mean | Feb 06 22:41 |
| MinceR | perhaps they're desperate for money | Feb 06 22:41 |
| Agent-Smith | With Matt Asay in the helm ??? | Feb 06 22:41 |
| Agent-Smith | What gives ??? | Feb 06 22:41 |
| MinceR | did canonical ever offer paid support for ubuntu? | Feb 06 22:41 |
| schestowitz | I'll tell you what... I'll just do some news postings, then some post about the Google situation | Feb 06 22:42 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: server | Feb 06 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Desktop to some, but not well dvetised | Feb 06 22:42 |
| schestowitz | *Advertised | Feb 06 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is illegally dumping and uses Kickbacks t suppress | Feb 06 22:42 |
| MinceR | perhaps they shouldn't have kept it so much of a secret :> | Feb 06 22:42 |
| schestowitz | They try to suffocate companies till they join | Feb 06 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Same script as before | Feb 06 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Go-computing, Glasse, etc. | Feb 06 22:43 |
| Agent-Smith | Stac | Feb 06 22:43 |
| Agent-Smith | i4i | Feb 06 22:43 |
| schestowitz | i4i? | Feb 06 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Not exactly the same | Feb 06 22:43 |
| Agent-Smith | Yup | Feb 06 22:43 |
| schestowitz | With i4i it's the opposite | Feb 06 22:43 |
| schestowitz | They pretended to be friend | Feb 06 22:43 |
| Agent-Smith | i4i they approached them | Feb 06 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Sniffed around | Feb 06 22:43 |
| schestowitz | 'Stole' their idea | Feb 06 22:44 |
| Agent-Smith | Then robbed their ideas | Feb 06 22:44 |
| schestowitz | And then stabbed them in the back | Feb 06 22:44 |
| Agent-Smith | Yup | Feb 06 22:44 |
| schestowitz | With others it's opposite | Feb 06 22:44 |
| schestowitz | They make companies misrable | Feb 06 22:44 |
| schestowitz | bankrupt them | Feb 06 22:44 |
| Agent-Smith | Yup Yup | Feb 06 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Then invite the CEO to join MSFT | Feb 06 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Or settle | Feb 06 22:44 |
| Agent-Smith | Yup, like Netscape | Feb 06 22:44 |
| schestowitz | it makes bill happy | Feb 06 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Rise and repeat | Feb 06 22:45 |
| Agent-Smith | But i guess they never asked Jim Clarke to join M$ | Feb 06 22:45 |
| schestowitz | And change Steve's diaper :-) | Feb 06 22:46 |
| cubezzz | just take the money... | Feb 06 22:46 |
| schestowitz | The CEOs work for themselevs | Feb 06 22:46 |
| Agent-Smith | Well... | Feb 06 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Slimy ones like Hovsepian | Feb 06 22:46 |
| schestowitz | They think how to boost their bonuses | Feb 06 22:46 |
| schestowitz | McBride.. | Feb 06 22:46 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft won that battle, they killed netscape | Feb 06 22:46 |
| Agent-Smith | But Hovsepian is former IBM, isn't he ??? | Feb 06 22:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.fsf.org/news/ipad-drm-petition-delivered | Feb 06 22:46 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Defective by Design delivers iPad anti-DRM petition with 5,000 signatures to Jobs -- more coming - Free Software Foundation .::. Size~: 28.62 KB | Feb 06 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Agent-Smith: yes | Feb 06 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Same with Jaffe | Feb 06 22:47 |
| schestowitz | I'd love it if Hovepian left | Feb 06 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Put some shafter in there | Feb 06 22:47 |
| schestowitz | ANd then Novell will be KNOWN as a Microsoft subsidiary | Feb 06 22:47 |
| Agent-Smith | I guess Novell isn't going to 2011 | Feb 06 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Maybe sold like Sun | Feb 06 22:47 |
| schestowitz | In parts | Feb 06 22:47 |
| Agent-Smith | Right in the point!!! | Feb 06 22:47 |
| Agent-Smith | Hit the spot | Feb 06 22:48 |
| schestowitz | ?? | Feb 06 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Wrong channel? :-) | Feb 06 22:50 |
| Agent-Smith | No | Feb 06 22:50 |
| Agent-Smith | You're right | Feb 06 22:50 |
| Agent-Smith | Novell sold to M$ | Feb 06 22:50 |
| Agent-Smith | And i guess this year | Feb 06 22:51 |
| Agent-Smith | They'll disclose the deal | Feb 06 22:51 |
| Agent-Smith | But the *nix base is the only way to M$ | Feb 06 22:52 |
| Agent-Smith | I think they'll get a BSD | Feb 06 22:52 |
| Agent-Smith | And put a proprietary GUI on top | Feb 06 22:52 |
| Agent-Smith | And sell | Feb 06 22:52 |
| Agent-Smith | As Winblw$ 2012 | Feb 06 22:53 |
| Agent-Smith | Or 2014 | Feb 06 22:53 |
| Agent-Smith | But it won't go much far than this | Feb 06 22:53 |
| MinceR | or winblows 8 | Feb 06 22:54 |
| Agent-Smith | Yup | Feb 06 22:54 |
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| MinceR | or they'll shift the letters of "BSD" to make the first letter "W" and use the remaining two as the brand :> | Feb 06 22:55 |
| cubezzz | you really think they'll make a windows from BSD? | Feb 06 22:56 |
| Agent-Smith | It's the only way they have | Feb 06 22:56 |
| cubezzz | some kind of pseudo-open source doze? | Feb 06 22:56 |
| MinceR | it would be something that makes some technical sense and seems to be palatable to them | Feb 06 22:57 |
| cubezzz | or still closed? | Feb 06 22:57 |
| Agent-Smith | The win stack is wasted | Feb 06 22:57 |
| MinceR | closed, obviously | Feb 06 22:57 |
| Agent-Smith | They'll do like Apple | Feb 06 22:57 |
| MinceR | that's what they love so much about BSD | Feb 06 22:57 |
| Agent-Smith | Yup | Feb 06 22:57 |
| cubezzz | I think they'll just stick with normal doze | Feb 06 22:57 |
| Agent-Smith | Since the win 95 TCP/IP Stack | Feb 06 22:58 |
| Agent-Smith | I guess not | Feb 06 22:58 |
| cubezzz | with more lock-in, that's been the pattern | Feb 06 22:58 |
| MinceR | someone claimed they've put more BSD code into vista | Feb 06 22:58 |
| MinceR | i didn't see any references or evidence though so i don't really know | Feb 06 22:58 |
| Agent-Smith | The win stack is wasted... There's no more to explore | Feb 06 22:58 |
| MinceR | but it's entirely plausible | Feb 06 22:58 |
| cubezzz | actually I just compared doze 7 to fedora 11 and fedora won easily | Feb 06 22:58 |
| cubezzz | it was easier to use even | Feb 06 22:58 |
| Agent-Smith | Any Linux wins with a foot tied to the back | Feb 06 22:59 |
| cubezzz | doze 7 couldn't play mp4 files :) | Feb 06 22:59 |
| Agent-Smith | Shame on you, M$... | Feb 06 22:59 |
| ender2070 | linux does do more | Feb 06 22:59 |
| ender2070 | the only thing windows has going for it are a couple exclusive apps and some games | Feb 06 22:59 |
| cubezzz | it seems to me Big M should be dead already | Feb 06 22:59 |
| cubezzz | it's just so crappy | Feb 06 23:00 |
| Agent-Smith | True | Feb 06 23:00 |
| Agent-Smith | But politics keep it alive | Feb 06 23:00 |
| ender2070 | opensuse does not age very well | Feb 06 23:00 |
| ender2070 | bad novell! | Feb 06 23:00 |
| cubezzz | why did you even bother with opensuse? :) | Feb 06 23:01 |
| cubezzz | you knew it would probably be bad | Feb 06 23:01 |
| ender2070 | people kept saying it was the best KDE distro | Feb 06 23:01 |
| ender2070 | and I proved them wrong | Feb 06 23:01 |
| ender2070 | lol | Feb 06 23:01 |
| ender2070 | best to me would require KDE 4.3.5 | Feb 06 23:01 |
| Agent-Smith | How's KDE going ??? | Feb 06 23:02 |
| ender2070 | even fedora 10 has 4.3.5 | Feb 06 23:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: the other thing that keeps MS propped up are the OEMs | Feb 06 23:02 |
| cubezzz | 3.4.2 here still :) | Feb 06 23:02 |
| Agent-Smith | My distro cuts K 3 this feb | Feb 06 23:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: that's been Gates' meal ticket since IBM | Feb 06 23:02 |
| Agent-Smith | I'm with 3.5 | Feb 06 23:03 |
| *cubezzz is the last defender of 2.4 | Feb 06 23:03 | |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: when that goes, they're on wing and a prayer :) | Feb 06 23:03 |
| ender2070 | yeah OEMs are just as shifty | Feb 06 23:03 |
| MinceR | Agent-Smith: i consider 4.x stable as of 4.3 | Feb 06 23:03 |
| ender2070 | OEMs love windows | Feb 06 23:03 |
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| MinceR | and it works pretty well | Feb 06 23:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: essentially when PCs don't sell with windows, MS is forced to compete | Feb 06 23:03 |
| MinceR | still, some functionality is still missing | Feb 06 23:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: and then they'll die quickly haha | Feb 06 23:03 |
| ender2070 | I know of so many shops that want windows to break so they can keep fixing pc's | Feb 06 23:03 |
| Agent-Smith | Well, at least computers are coming without winblow$ | Feb 06 23:04 |
| cubezzz | personally I'm tired of fixing doze boxes, but it's $$$ | Feb 06 23:04 |
| Agent-Smith | Nowadays | Feb 06 23:04 |
| cubezzz | it's not very fun though | Feb 06 23:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: OEMs, -- the PC makers. who sell you a windows license whether you want it or not, whether you need it or not. this is what yanks call the "free market" | Feb 06 23:04 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 06 23:04 |
| cubezzz | yeah that is total ass | Feb 06 23:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | it is ass, and it will end. | Feb 06 23:04 |
| ender2070 | FurnaceBoy - i worked at an oem that didnt require windows, but they went all out on the propaganda | Feb 06 23:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | and soon after, bye-bye microsoft. | Feb 06 23:05 |
| Agent-Smith | Well, some vendors are selling without winblow$ | Feb 06 23:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's pretty much the last thing keeping them alive. | Feb 06 23:05 |
| ender2070 | they even had the posters which claimed you would lose all your files for using pirate software | Feb 06 23:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | Agent-Smith: right. this will increase. | Feb 06 23:05 |
| Agent-Smith | And piracy too | Feb 06 23:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: ironic, because the OPPOSITE is true. | Feb 06 23:05 |
| ender2070 | which is absurd | Feb 06 23:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: it's the opposite of the truth, as so often happens | Feb 06 23:05 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Feb 06 23:05 |
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| ender2070 | the legit windows versions have more issues than the pirated ones | Feb 06 23:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: no, it's DESIGNED to prevent you accessing your data | Feb 06 23:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: defective by design. drm, wga, etc, WILL cause you to lose your data sooner or later. | Feb 06 23:06 |
| ender2070 | yeah exactly | Feb 06 23:06 |
| ender2070 | I did have some complete morons pay us hundreds of dollars to perform backups for such cases | Feb 06 23:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | and even if it's not complete loss of access, it's costly nuisances | Feb 06 23:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | hours on the phone reactivating | Feb 06 23:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | etc | Feb 06 23:07 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Feb 06 23:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | or fractional functionality | Feb 06 23:07 |
| Agent-Smith | That's why the only winblow$ i like is 2000 | Feb 06 23:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's astonishing that business still take such risks | Feb 06 23:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | Windows is a risk. <-- the truth of this needs to get out. | Feb 06 23:07 |
| ender2070 | ms is a huge company | Feb 06 23:08 |
| ender2070 | it feels stable to them | Feb 06 23:08 |
| cubezzz | 2000 was the least bad, I hesitate to say it's good | Feb 06 23:08 |
| Agent-Smith | Well, in M$ standards, i would call it good... | Feb 06 23:08 |
| ender2070 | if everyone was running linux most of these repair shops would be gone | Feb 06 23:09 |
| ender2070 | lol | Feb 06 23:09 |
| ender2070 | most of them rely on how bad microsoft is | Feb 06 23:09 |
| cubezzz | ender2070, not really | Feb 06 23:09 |
| cubezzz | power supplies fail, hard drives fail | Feb 06 23:09 |
| cubezzz | hardware breaks down | Feb 06 23:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: right, but in their case, the software fails. | Feb 06 23:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Using #windows means taking a lot of unnecessary risks. And far more than the ones you think you already know about. #microsoft | Feb 06 23:09 | |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: malware. "windows rot". etc. | Feb 06 23:09 |
| cubezzz | true | Feb 06 23:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: windows rot is deliberate design | Feb 06 23:10 |
| cubezzz | people probably think computers just normally suck | Feb 06 23:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: they make money because people just buy a new pc after a year or two. | Feb 06 23:10 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - 90% of my work was software problems | Feb 06 23:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | "why did you buy a pc?" "oh, teh last one started behaving badly.. got slow.. started crashing.." | Feb 06 23:10 |
| Agent-Smith | Enlight me in the windows rot stuff, please | Feb 06 23:10 |
| cubezzz | heh | Feb 06 23:10 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - very rarely was it a power supply or HDD | Feb 06 23:10 |
| cubezzz | fragmentation, and just plain not functioning | Feb 06 23:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | Microsoft gets paid twice, three times, for producing a deliberately broken product. This is what the yanks call "innovation". | Feb 06 23:11 |
| cubezzz | yeah I hear you | Feb 06 23:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | Agent-Smith: windows systems are like Nexus 6. short life spans. | Feb 06 23:11 |
| cubezzz | I think things are improving, not perfect but getting better | Feb 06 23:11 |
| ender2070 | most people thought it was something physical when it turned out to be some stupid windows problem | Feb 06 23:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: no, the rot is designed-in. | Feb 06 23:11 |
| Agent-Smith | Ahahahahha | Feb 06 23:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: they make LESS money if they fix that. | Feb 06 23:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: another monopoly effect | Feb 06 23:11 |
| ender2070 | I had a friend tell another one of my friends that once you see a blue screen your pc is going to die shortly | Feb 06 23:11 |
| cubezzz | well there's collusion between Microsoft and other hardware makers sure | Feb 06 23:12 |
| cubezzz | hahaha | Feb 06 23:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: basically a monopoly reverses a healthy market: Prices go UP, quality goes DOWN. Profit is higher if you make a defective product and cut corners. | Feb 06 23:12 |
| cubezzz | wow | Feb 06 23:12 |
| cubezzz | computers = bic lighter | Feb 06 23:12 |
| Agent-Smith | True | Feb 06 23:12 |
| Agent-Smith | True again | Feb 06 23:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: same problem with Adobe | Feb 06 23:12 |
| cubezzz | my PC is 12 years old :) | Feb 06 23:12 |
| cubezzz | one of them | Feb 06 23:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: a monopoly means a total disconnect from market. | Feb 06 23:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: you don't have to listen, it costs you money to listen to customers | Feb 06 23:13 |
| Agent-Smith | I wonder if ARM systems would be used as desktops... What would it be like ??? | Feb 06 23:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: you get paid anyway | Feb 06 23:13 |
| ender2070 | like the old rumor of bill gates | Feb 06 23:13 |
| cubezzz | Agent-Smith, I haven't seen an ARM motherboard for desktop yet | Feb 06 23:13 |
| Agent-Smith | ARM's a powerhorse... | Feb 06 23:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: and you get paid more if people are forced to buy a new PC> | Feb 06 23:13 |
| ender2070 | it would cost him money to pick up ten grand | Feb 06 23:13 |
| ender2070 | similar idea | Feb 06 23:13 |
| cubezzz | seems incredibly wasteful though | Feb 06 23:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: of course it is! | Feb 06 23:14 |
| ender2070 | they dont care | Feb 06 23:14 |
| ender2070 | as long as they get more $$$ | Feb 06 23:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: that's one of the really toxic sideeffects of Microsoft. WASTE | Feb 06 23:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: it's an insane world. why d'ya think we'd like to see it fixed :D | Feb 06 23:15 |
| cubezzz | the don't get any $$$ out of me :) | Feb 06 23:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | nor me | Feb 06 23:15 |
| Agent-Smith | Me neither | Feb 06 23:15 |
| Agent-Smith | Well, folks | Feb 06 23:15 |
| Agent-Smith | Nice chat | Feb 06 23:15 |
| Agent-Smith | But i got to go | Feb 06 23:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | Agent-Smith: tchau cara | Feb 06 23:15 |
| Agent-Smith | Inté mano!!! | Feb 06 23:15 |
| Agent-Smith | Hope to read something about Asay in Canonical | Feb 06 23:16 |
| Agent-Smith | In BN | Feb 06 23:16 |
| Agent-Smith | Ok ??? | Feb 06 23:16 |
| Agent-Smith | Or even the rumor Canonical is selling to Google | Feb 06 23:16 |
| Agent-Smith | Well | Feb 06 23:16 |
| Agent-Smith | Bye folks | Feb 06 23:16 |
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| ender2070 | ill be back too | Feb 06 23:17 |
| ender2070 | gonna get rid of this opensuse filth | Feb 06 23:17 |
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