| oiaohm | Saying person had old drivers. Would force them to admit they failed to check. | Feb 14 00:00 |
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| oiaohm | I had to replace the motherboard in the SBS server because there was no new drivers. | Feb 14 00:00 |
| yuhong | oiaohm: MS always blames malware? Really? | Feb 14 00:00 |
| oiaohm | For this kind of thing yes. yuhong | Feb 14 00:01 |
| cubezzz | again, yet another reason not to use doze | Feb 14 00:01 |
| yuhong | And it is hard to believe that Windows would always disable drivers over 12 months old. | Feb 14 00:02 |
| oiaohm | Even when I ring them. I think by now they would have put on my file don't lie to him. I always have full audit reports out of dead machines listing what has changed. | Feb 14 00:02 |
| oiaohm | They don't disable them. yuhong | Feb 14 00:02 |
| yuhong | And it is hard to believe that Windows would magically disable drivers over 12 months old that worked before? | Feb 14 00:02 |
| yuhong | And it is hard to believe that Windows would magically disable drivers over 12 months old that worked before. | Feb 14 00:02 |
| oiaohm | In the last 18 months they altered sections of the driver ABI. yuhong | Feb 14 00:02 |
| cubezzz | wouldn't it be nice to have open source drivers? :) | Feb 14 00:03 |
| cubezzz | then we could avoid these stupid problems | Feb 14 00:03 |
| oiaohm | Results are that simply lots of drivers are no longer compadible. yuhong | Feb 14 00:03 |
| yuhong | oiaohm: What were the alterations? | Feb 14 00:03 |
| oiaohm | To fix secuirty holes in the Windows OS. yuhong | Feb 14 00:03 |
| yuhong | oiaohm: Technical details? | Feb 14 00:03 |
| oiaohm | Like how the tcp/ip stack works. | Feb 14 00:03 |
| yuhong | Technical details? | Feb 14 00:03 |
| yuhong | Technical details please? | Feb 14 00:04 |
| oiaohm | In the ndis drivers about 8 functions drivers use to use no longer exist. yuhong | Feb 14 00:04 |
| oiaohm | Due to no secure way to code them. | Feb 14 00:04 |
| yuhong | Names? | Feb 14 00:04 |
| oiaohm | They are NT4 functions. | Feb 14 00:05 |
| oiaohm | There has been replacements since windows 2000 | Feb 14 00:05 |
| oiaohm | Yet driver makers kept on using them yuhong | Feb 14 00:05 |
| yuhong | I know. | Feb 14 00:05 |
| oiaohm | Basically they were replaced marked depeacted. | Feb 14 00:06 |
| oiaohm | And MS just removed them. | Feb 14 00:06 |
| yuhong | I get it now. | Feb 14 00:06 |
| yuhong | But it is quite different from what happened in this case. | Feb 14 00:06 |
| oiaohm | The infected drivers. | Feb 14 00:06 |
| oiaohm | Were also using nt4 functions. | Feb 14 00:07 |
| yuhong | Nope. | Feb 14 00:07 |
| yuhong | See this comment: | Feb 14 00:07 |
| yuhong | http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1546966&cid=31107778 | Feb 14 00:07 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot Comments | Windows Patch Leaves Many XP Users With Blue Screens .::. Size~: 41.23 KB | Feb 14 00:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Back from curry & chat with some of the @uupc people.Great evening,but @Daviey was missed.There'll be a new season.. sooner than you think. | Feb 14 00:07 | |
| oiaohm | Get a NT4 sdk yuhong. Read it. | Feb 14 00:08 |
| yuhong | OK. | Feb 14 00:09 |
| oiaohm | Driver developers were told they were allowed to use that. | Feb 14 00:09 |
| yuhong | Yep. | Feb 14 00:09 |
| yuhong | Some vendors indeed eventually remove deprecated functions. | Feb 14 00:09 |
| oiaohm | So you tell someone else they are allowed to use it then you use it yourself what else do you expect to happen. | Feb 14 00:09 |
| oiaohm | That is not the only change by the way yuhong | Feb 14 00:10 |
| oiaohm | there were changes for motherboard dependant memory controllers interface as well. | Feb 14 00:10 |
| yuhong | Nope, I mean this is probably a different case from what you are talking about. | Feb 14 00:11 |
| oiaohm | They all generated the same looking system. | Feb 14 00:11 |
| oiaohm | Unless you looked closely. | Feb 14 00:11 |
| oiaohm | Ie one would blue screen from video. | Feb 14 00:11 |
| yuhong | Nope, I mean this is probably a different case from what I am talking about. | Feb 14 00:11 |
| oiaohm | I have cleaned up about 12 different dead XP's. | Feb 14 00:11 |
| oiaohm | They all died in slight different locations. Due to different drivers. | Feb 14 00:12 |
| yuhong | http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1546966&cid=31107778 | Feb 14 00:12 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot Comments | Windows Patch Leaves Many XP Users With Blue Screens .::. Size~: 41.23 KB | Feb 14 00:12 |
| yuhong | Did you see this comment? | Feb 14 00:12 |
| oiaohm | That is not the only cause. | Feb 14 00:12 |
| oiaohm | Its 1. | Feb 14 00:12 |
| yuhong | Now, was KTHREAD::Spare0[0] ever has be documented for use in drivers. | Feb 14 00:13 |
| yuhong | Now, was KTHREAD::Spare0[0] ever has be documented for use in drivers? | Feb 14 00:13 |
| cubezzz | I always felt that when wink2k came out a ton of win9x stuff stopped working | Feb 14 00:13 |
| yuhong | Yep. | Feb 14 00:13 |
| oiaohm | Yes NT 4 documentation. | Feb 14 00:13 |
| cubezzz | a way for manufacturers to sell more hardware maybe? | Feb 14 00:13 |
| oiaohm | Was removed from Windows 2000 SDK documentation yuhong | Feb 14 00:13 |
| cubezzz | wash, rinse, repeat with each new doze | Feb 14 00:13 |
| oiaohm | Opps DDK | Feb 14 00:14 |
| oiaohm | what is up with me todya I Have SDK and DDK mixed up. | Feb 14 00:14 |
| yuhong | Where? I am talking specifically this field only. | Feb 14 00:14 |
| shreddar | Well officially 2000 was the successor to their NT line. | Feb 14 00:14 |
| shreddar | ME was the successor the 98 I think. | Feb 14 00:14 |
| yuhong | I don't have the NT 4 DDK. | Feb 14 00:14 |
| oiaohm | It was even used in a example driver in the NT4 DDK | Feb 14 00:14 |
| shreddar | Though nobody really rembers it. | Feb 14 00:15 |
| cubezzz | and naturally almost no one has driver source code | Feb 14 00:15 |
| oiaohm | Basically this should give you a clue how old some of the driver code still in use is yuhong | Feb 14 00:15 |
| yuhong | I know, but was KTHREAD::Spare0[0] one of them? | Feb 14 00:16 |
| oiaohm | That was used in a driver example for making a base vesa driver for NT4 DDK. yuhong | Feb 14 00:16 |
| yuhong | OK. | Feb 14 00:17 |
| oiaohm | That was shipped with the NT4 DDK. | Feb 14 00:17 |
| yuhong | OK. | Feb 14 00:17 |
| yuhong | Yea, I think NT 4 driver support is waning over time. | Feb 14 00:17 |
| oiaohm | No a lot of new drivers are created off old code bases. | Feb 14 00:17 |
| oiaohm | So since the NT4 driver did that the 2000 XP and so on updates do it the same way since it still works. | Feb 14 00:18 |
| oiaohm | Ok still works until MS changes things. | Feb 14 00:18 |
| cubezzz | sounds like trouble :) | Feb 14 00:18 |
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| cubezzz | like I want to learn windows driver code | Feb 14 00:19 |
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| yuhong | oiaohm: One last thing, any links you can provide describing all this? | Feb 14 00:20 |
| oiaohm | When I hit with problems I dig back threw our achives of DDK's here to see what was going on. | Feb 14 00:21 |
| yuhong | Good idea, I think. | Feb 14 00:21 |
| oiaohm | Particularly when my audit reports told my the drivers had not been. | Feb 14 00:21 |
| oiaohm | changed. | Feb 14 00:21 |
| oiaohm | And the machines had been working perfectly. | Feb 14 00:22 |
| oiaohm | Ie still matched clean install. | Feb 14 00:22 |
| yuhong | Yep, so you really used WinDbg or KD to do debugging? | Feb 14 00:22 |
| oiaohm | I don't but windows guy here does. | Feb 14 00:23 |
| yuhong | Yep, so you really used WinDbg or KD to do debugging on the kernel? | Feb 14 00:23 |
| yuhong | Good. | Feb 14 00:23 |
| oiaohm | My job is debug the Linux systems. | Feb 14 00:23 |
| oiaohm | Most of the time. | Feb 14 00:23 |
| oiaohm | Both are different debuggers. | Feb 14 00:24 |
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| yuhong | So you mean that security updates do break depreciated functions? | Feb 14 00:24 |
| oiaohm | Yep and depreciated ways of doing things. | Feb 14 00:25 |
| oiaohm | Ok 10 year depreciated stuff. | Feb 14 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Publishing now :) | Feb 14 00:25 |
| cubezzz | one customer of mine has win95 but it's not connected to anything, LAN or internet | Feb 14 00:25 |
| cubezzz | no updates, no problems | Feb 14 00:26 |
| cubezzz | althought I doubt win95 gets any updates now | Feb 14 00:26 |
| oiaohm | MS could have started off with monitoring first and displayed warnings if anything in system was using stuff it should not have been. But that would have been too much common sence. yuhong | Feb 14 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2010/02/14/comcast-screw-up-of-the-century-apparently-i-live-in-bothell-washington/ | Feb 14 00:26 |
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| yuhong | Well, warning about them does make sense. | Feb 14 00:27 |
| cubezzz | this could be the opportunity to nudge people towards GNU/Linux | Feb 14 00:27 |
| cubezzz | maintainance problems like this... | Feb 14 00:28 |
| yuhong | I am going to ask Larry Osterman of MS about this. | Feb 14 00:28 |
| yuhong | I just sent email to Larry Osterman of MS about this. | Feb 14 00:28 |
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| cubezzz | seriously, it's easier to maintain | Feb 14 00:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Lovely. Brand new install of Ubuntu on Mumbuntu desktop, did all updates, reboot, (initramfs) prompt. Magic. | Feb 14 00:29 | |
| cubezzz | I'd rather not do reinstalls of doze over and over | Feb 14 00:30 |
| cubezzz | what is that, a make work project? :) | Feb 14 00:30 |
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| Diablo-D3 | BUT BUT BUT BUT | Feb 14 00:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | VIRUSES MAKE THE WORLD GO ROUND | Feb 14 00:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | as do fat bottomed girls. | Feb 14 00:31 |
| yuhong | oiaohm: Interestingly, that was listed as one of the excuses why Linux can't have a stable kernel API/ABI. | Feb 14 00:31 |
| cubezzz | Queen, old song too :) | Feb 14 00:31 |
| oiaohm | yuhong: It not a excuse it True. No matter how hard you try to keep a ABI stable at some point you will have to change it. And if you don't do it carefully everything goes to hell. | Feb 14 00:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] I hit bug 358654,"restart" prompt appears before updates are finished. Teach me not to read the entire screen! :| http://bit.ly/9atUD4 | Feb 14 00:32 | |
| cubezzz | yeah, AVG keeps the cpu nice and warm | Feb 14 00:32 |
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| oiaohm | Basically MS slipped up this time yuhong | Feb 14 00:33 |
| oiaohm | And have been doing so on different OS's for the last 18 months. | Feb 14 00:33 |
| cubezzz | you can run old Linux though | Feb 14 00:33 |
| yuhong | Any security updates notable for doing this other than this one? | Feb 14 00:34 |
| cubezzz | no one is forcing you to update | Feb 14 00:34 |
| yuhong | Any security updates notable for doing this other than this one? Do you have a list | Feb 14 00:34 |
| yuhong | Any security updates notable for doing this other than this one? Do you have a list? | Feb 14 00:34 |
| oiaohm | The network driver stack correction in 2003 and vista and 2008. | Feb 14 00:34 |
| yuhong | Link? | Feb 14 00:34 |
| oiaohm | Caused low performance or no network connection. yuhong | Feb 14 00:34 |
| yuhong | Link? | Feb 14 00:34 |
| oiaohm | SBS adviser from MS warns you about the problem after the fact. | Feb 14 00:35 |
| oiaohm | So MS could detect the problem. | Feb 14 00:35 |
| oiaohm | But the update did not include detection. | Feb 14 00:35 |
| yuhong | Link? | Feb 14 00:35 |
| oiaohm | The patch should have failed to apply. | Feb 14 00:35 |
| oiaohm | I don't have the KB numbers here. | Feb 14 00:36 |
| oiaohm | There are 4 KB numbers linked to it include hacks to tell 2003 and 2008 not to interface with network drivers particular ways. | Feb 14 00:36 |
| oiaohm | But cost performance. | Feb 14 00:37 |
| yuhong | Are you referring to the Scalable Networking Pack? | Feb 14 00:37 |
| oiaohm | These are stock standard server. | Feb 14 00:37 |
| oiaohm | No extras. yuhong | Feb 14 00:38 |
| oiaohm | Worse was in december when a intel matrix raid controler driver was blocked from working due to a windows update. | Feb 14 00:38 |
| oiaohm | Fun is there was no update to driver so the driver still does not reinstall. | Feb 14 00:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | and people wonder why I want windows 100% functioning in virtualbox | Feb 14 00:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont trust windows to use the hardware | Feb 14 00:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | linux is needed as a security layer | Feb 14 00:39 |
| yuhong | Which year December, I am trying to find bulletins. | Feb 14 00:40 |
| oiaohm | 2009 yuhong | Feb 14 00:40 |
| cubezzz | I guess you don't want to completely give up doze | Feb 14 00:41 |
| oiaohm | Even more fun the server was set not to take updates. It was a forced secuirty update. yuhong | Feb 14 00:41 |
| yuhong | I can't find any that affect the kernel, the closest is MS09-069, but that affected LSASS, no the kernel. | Feb 14 00:42 |
| yuhong | I can't find any that affect the kernel, the closest is MS09-069, but that affected LSASS, not the kernel. | Feb 14 00:42 |
| yuhong | Or was it really in November? | Feb 14 00:42 |
| oiaohm | The splat happen 10 of December 2009 | Feb 14 00:43 |
| oiaohm | of the matrix driver. | Feb 14 00:43 |
| yuhong | But I can't find any december security update that affect the kernel. | Feb 14 00:43 |
| oiaohm | Could have been a November one applied late. | Feb 14 00:44 |
| yuhong | MS09-065? | Feb 14 00:44 |
| oiaohm | Yep that one sound right. | Feb 14 00:44 |
| yuhong | I am going to try google search now. | Feb 14 00:45 |
| oiaohm | All these driver layer change are causing unexpected effects. | Feb 14 00:45 |
| oiaohm | Ie due to change then check latter. | Feb 14 00:45 |
| oiaohm | When it needs to be check first then change. | Feb 14 00:46 |
| yuhong | !google kb969947 matrix storage | Feb 14 00:46 |
| yuhong | I tried Google and can't find any changes. | Feb 14 00:47 |
| yuhong | I tried Google and can't find anything much on this. | Feb 14 00:47 |
| oiaohm | Not like we bother posting for help when we know what the problem is. | Feb 14 00:48 |
| oiaohm | First thing you do with drivers is check for updates then contact the maker. | Feb 14 00:49 |
| oiaohm | With server room stuff. | Feb 14 00:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Guess I'm getting nothing done for a week or so - #winterolympics | Feb 14 00:50 | |
| yuhong | schestowitz: http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/13/0556252/Yale-Switching-To-Gmail-Not-Without-Opposition | Feb 14 00:51 |
| oiaohm | I guess us server room guys let MS think there means of operation was working. So they thought it was fine todo to XP users. | Feb 14 00:51 |
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| oiaohm | People with the idea that google answers all. | Feb 14 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Lot of the things I know about windows you google for they are not there. For the simple point it a waste of time posting randomally about it. | Feb 14 00:56 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 14 00:58 |
| oiaohm | I am really sick of the MS one its malware or its thrid party driver makers. | Feb 14 01:04 |
| oiaohm | So they don't have to take reposnablity for there patch nailing system to wall. | Feb 14 01:04 |
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| schestowitz | Good one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44mcqR3Rt5E | Feb 14 01:09 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Canadian woman's hockey team is leading Slovakia 1-0, go Canada! #winterolympics | Feb 14 01:19 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Canadian woman's hockey team is leading Slovakia 3-0, go Canada! #winterolympics | Feb 14 01:20 | |
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| schestowitz | OK, I've just updates phIRCe-BNc to the latest version | Feb 14 01:33 |
| schestowitz | trmanco made some fixes to it that I have on my machine but not on the server | Feb 14 01:33 |
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| DaemonFC | "Sounds to me like you're saying that some people deserve to die because they aren't hard enough workers. THAT sounds like Communism to me, that sounds like something Stalin would have done." | Feb 14 01:53 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Feb 14 01:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Bah, this machine for Mumbuntu has an Nvidia NV6 Vanta/Vanta LT card, not supported by nvidia for some time. http://bit.ly/atk7tn | Feb 14 01:53 | |
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| DaemonFC | ry happy with Ryan Farmer over causing Ryan Farmer to owe Comcrap a late fee. I think Ryan Farmer would be very mad at Ryan Farmer indeed!" | Feb 14 02:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat 's Virtualisation Story, New #Fedora 12 Released http://ur1.ca/macp http://ur1.ca/macq | Feb 14 02:13 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Looking forward to seeing Jerry Springer host Raw this monday..... #wwe #wrestling | Feb 14 02:24 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] And now Im off to bed.....got some posts to publish tomorrow, providing that O2 remains well behaved. Night all. | Feb 14 02:24 | |
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| schestowitz | Heh. | Feb 14 02:35 |
| schestowitz | "I can only imagine the case of Ryan Farmer v. Ryan Farmer in small claims court..." | Feb 14 02:35 |
| schestowitz | I know which one would win | Feb 14 02:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu Derivatives #Crunchbang and #LinuxMint in Review http://ur1.ca/mady http://ur1.ca/madz | Feb 14 02:36 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #NetGear #Router Runs #Linux http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/NetGear-MBRN3300E/ | Feb 14 02:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android / #Linux is Taking Over Everything http://ur1.ca/mae0 http://ur1.ca/mae1 http://ur1.ca/mae4 | Feb 14 02:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Would some kind lass or fellow please hoover up all the dross from the Ubuntu-users and sounder mailing lists and flush them away? Thanks. | Feb 14 02:39 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #HP Goes with #Linux ( #Android ) for Future Sub-notebooks http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/HP-Compaq-Airlife-100/ | Feb 14 02:43 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE 4.4 Works Nicely on Netbooks http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10015109o-2000498448b,00.htm | Feb 14 02:43 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #iFreeTablet Similar to #OLPC , with #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/maee http://ur1.ca/maeg | Feb 14 02:43 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Cafu #3D Set Free ( #GNU #GPL ) http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Cafu-3D-graphics-engine-goes-GPL-929715.html | Feb 14 02:43 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Advantages Explained http://brajeshwar.com/2010/open-source-may-the-source-be-with-you/ | Feb 14 02:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Happy Valentines Day ! Show your Love for Free Software ! http://bit.ly/aLUc3J | Feb 14 02:45 | |
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| gnufs | schestowitz, i have uploaded the fully free gnu/linux distro talk i gave at an fsfe meeting: http://aligunduz.org/blog/2010/02/fully-free-gnulinux-presentation/ | Feb 14 02:48 |
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| gnufs | hah, smart bot... | Feb 14 02:51 |
| schestowitz | Hey, gnufs | Feb 14 02:52 |
| gnufs | o/ | Feb 14 02:53 |
| schestowitz | gnufs: yes, I noticed the talk | Feb 14 02:53 |
| schestowitz | I've just linked to it and twitted it | Feb 14 02:53 |
| schestowitz | *tweeted | Feb 14 02:53 |
| schestowitz | From FS Daily | Feb 14 02:53 |
| schestowitz | Where I found it | Feb 14 02:53 |
| gnufs | great! i can go to sleep in peace then... :) | Feb 14 02:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LinuxOutlaws Has New Episode, #OpenSource #ThinkTank 2010 Opens http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/135 | Feb 14 02:55 | |
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| schestowitz | gnufs: :-) | Feb 14 02:55 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like the "now I can die happy" proverb | Feb 14 02:56 |
| gnufs | hopefully not before a new gNewSense release :P | Feb 14 02:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSF / #FSFE / #GNU Promoting Freedom and Making Headway http://ur1.ca/maf3 http://ur1.ca/maf4 http://ur1.ca/maf5 | Feb 14 02:57 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenOffice .org Compared to #Microsoft 's Fat Office http://ur1.ca/maf9 http://ur1.ca/mafa | Feb 14 02:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free #Databases Can be Managed with #FreeSoftware #SchemaCrawler http://ur1.ca/mafb | Feb 14 03:00 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Government of #CzechRepublic Increasingly Moving Towards #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/mafe | Feb 14 03:01 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNUgle Wins at Microsoft's Expense in #Australia http://apcmag.com/why-gmail-is-rapidly-killing-exchange-in-australia.htm | Feb 14 03:03 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Iceland a World Hero for Defending Justice Seekers http://immi.is/?l=en&p=intro http://ur1.ca/m61c | Feb 14 03:04 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Wikimedia Helps Good Causes http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2010/02/wikimedia-donates-servers-to-deserving-non-profits/ | Feb 14 03:05 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MAFIAA Loses Again http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8513734.stm (Pubs win court battle over recorded music charges) | Feb 14 03:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Shows the Way to #GNU #Linux http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/02/12/m-wants-you-to-use-gnulinux/ | Feb 14 03:07 | |
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| schestowitz | gn | Feb 14 03:08 |
| gnufs | gn | Feb 14 03:10 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.wired.com/software/coolapps/news/2005/11/69355 | Feb 14 03:19 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: What happens in Australia is important to MS future. Thinking Australia still has the highest percentage of MS product usage out of any country. | Feb 14 03:42 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] I can't believe I saw "In the Mood For Love" & "Valentine's Day" in the same week & almost the same city block. Whiplash. #cinema vs #movies | Feb 14 03:55 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Ahhhh un-following is so satisfying. Like deleting code. | Feb 14 04:00 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXciZmZjXo8 | Feb 14 04:13 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Rare that I agree with a #US position, but Beijing can shove it up their a**. http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/uschinatibetobamadalailama #china | Feb 14 04:14 | |
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| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 14 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_%2B_2_%3D_5 | Feb 14 04:22 |
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| DaemonFC | "Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows." | Feb 14 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 14 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Finternet.robert-scheck.de%2Ftld-dd%2F | Feb 14 04:31 |
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| *DaemonFC proposes replacing all human languages with Interlac | Feb 14 04:34 | |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 14 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlac | Feb 14 04:34 |
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| DaemonFC | English is probably one of the harder languages to manipulate like we see in "Newspeak" in Nineteen Eighty-Four | Feb 14 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | many more words would need to be removed from English than most any other language | Feb 14 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | I know they've compressed English into a "Basic English" form, which is laughable and misses all fluidity | Feb 14 04:37 |
| tessier__ | http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/02/12/bill.gates.clean.energy/index.html?hpt=T2 | Feb 14 05:24 |
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| tessier__ | One of the very few things on which I agree with Bill | Feb 14 05:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #mintty looks like a very nice complement to #cygwin - if you have to use it http://code.google.com/p/mintty/ | Feb 14 05:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] To clarify that, #mintty is a better terminal emulator for #cygwin http://code.google.com/p/mintty/ | Feb 14 05:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @ wilw I played two games with their designers today // THIRD STRIKE. You're un-followed | Feb 14 05:34 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@DesignerDepot Top 10 Things that #JavaScript Got Wrong: http://bit.ly/bkHOsy // mostly trivial, irrelevant list, unfortunately | Feb 14 05:36 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Pictures from yesterdays #24camp http://picasaweb.google.com/srinivasanr/24camp1 | Feb 14 05:57 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] hm, #apple #osx #nerd wisdom: system_profiler command; looks useful. | Feb 14 05:59 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Also, for completeness: sw_vers #osx #nerd wisdom | Feb 14 06:03 | |
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| fewa_ | whats a good alternative for f-spot | Feb 14 06:43 |
| fewa_ | I need a good photo manager for my digi camera | Feb 14 06:43 |
| DaemonFC | g-spot? | Feb 14 06:47 |
| DaemonFC | I hear it's really good if you can find it | Feb 14 06:47 |
| DaemonFC | seriously though, there's gthumb and Picasa | Feb 14 06:48 |
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| _Goblin | morning all | Feb 14 08:08 |
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| kecskebak | Morning | Feb 14 08:14 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RT @sup3rkiddo: Ayyyaayoooo.. Ajit's Aalwar in Hindi, Star Gold - 5 PM... Inda Annyaayatha kayka yaarum illayaa? | Feb 14 09:27 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Dry cough thing is freaking me out - back to zombie mode with medication :( | Feb 14 09:32 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Makes it Hard to Buy and Use #Windows http://ur1.ca/mavj promotes exploration with GNU/Linux | Feb 14 10:12 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Keeps Being Dumped for #Google http://ur1.ca/maw0 Novell #GroupWise is being abandoned and removed from over 70,000 seats | Feb 14 10:25 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Novell Keeps Being Dumped for Google | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 85.2 KB | Feb 14 10:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Mentioned Concorde Crash of 2000 to Wifey. 'It crashed!?'. Checked notes, it happened 1 month before we got married. Her brain was occupied. | Feb 14 10:33 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] To those asking, Mumbuntu machine is a compaq evo with a semi-onbard video card, but has two PCI slots. Need an old PCI NV card I guess. | Feb 14 10:35 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] I realise that I could go and buy a fairly cheap new machine,but not knowing if Mum will take to computing,trying out this old machine first | Feb 14 10:36 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Wifey just went out of the room and came back in with a valentines card. 'Did you just write that?'. *smirk*. She's as bad as me. | Feb 14 10:47 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Market Start is Virtually Dead; Novell’s Meeks Disses #JavaFX , #OpenSUSE 11.2 is Broken http://ur1.ca/mawr | Feb 14 10:51 | |
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| *amarsh04 has just been reading "The Seven Signs of Ethical Collapse" http://www.mariannejennings.com/?page_id=2 | Feb 14 11:07 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] .@neilgaiman gently tries to explain freedom of speech to the hard of thinking http://is.gd/8mbOp | Feb 14 11:16 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell promotes #Microsoft #Silverlight , .NET, and other negative endeavours while demoting the #GPL http://ur1.ca/mb05 | Feb 14 12:04 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Geeqie works really well as an image viewer !xfce | Feb 14 12:17 | |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/14/0857256/Australian-Judge-Rules-Facts-Cannot-Be-Copyrighted | Feb 14 12:28 |
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| schestowitz | here I was thinking that copyrights were made to encourage more creation :-) | Feb 14 12:28 |
| schestowitz | Maybe we need more laws then :-) :-) | Feb 14 12:28 |
| amarsh04 | hadn't seen that one before, schestowitz | Feb 14 12:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/02/10/microsoft_volume_licensing_mess/ | Feb 14 12:31 |
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| schestowitz | amarsh04: it's new in /. | Feb 14 12:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/11/bt_pension_quarter/ | Feb 14 12:33 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/11/florida_obscenity/ | Feb 14 12:34 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: US judges leave definition of obscenity to Amish, Kansas • The Register .::. Size~: 23.43 KB | Feb 14 12:34 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: there's also this, which surely you've heard about by now: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/11/oz_anti_censorship_ddos_latest/ | Feb 14 12:35 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Aussie anti-censor attacks strafe gov websites • The Register .::. Size~: 22.39 KB | Feb 14 12:35 |
| amarsh04 | yes, a group called "Anonymous" quite confusing | Feb 14 12:35 |
| amarsh04 | I've forwarded that Sensis story on to http://www.accan.org.au | Feb 14 12:36 |
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| amarsh04 | http://www.itwire.com/it-policy-news/government-tech-policy/36796-defence-spooks-and-feds-go-anonymous-hunting | Feb 14 12:37 |
| amarsh04 | linked from http://www.whirlpool.net.au/ | Feb 14 12:38 |
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| amarsh04 | goodnight, been a long day today | Feb 14 12:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @jwildeboer Warning [explicit] but a telling story on Google #buzz #fail. http://is.gd/8evTY | Feb 14 12:58 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: that google buzz story is locked | Feb 14 12:59 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Thinking I should just dump this old crap desktop for Mumbuntu and get her an Acer aspire revo. Only £150 | Feb 14 13:00 | |
| schestowitz | *LOL* http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/images/signs/1130_signs.jpg [IMG] | Feb 14 13:01 |
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| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: Damn. http://66.102.9.132/search?hl=en&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&c2coff=1&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Ffugitivus.wordpress.com%2F2010%2F02%2F11%2Ffuck-you-google%2F&aq=f&aqi=&oq= | Feb 14 13:04 |
| schestowitz | Black **ck Software in ECT (free platform to spout out stuff: http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Open-Source-Fuel-for-the-Smartphone-Explosion-69329.html | Feb 14 13:06 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Linux News: Mobile: Open Source: Fuel for the Smartphone Explosion .::. Size~: 60.79 KB | Feb 14 13:06 |
| schestowitz | "Tim Yeaton is president and CEO of Black Duck Software, a provider of products and services for automating the management, governance and secure use of open source software in multisource development at enterprise scale.. " | Feb 14 13:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How about a TB of data up your nostril? http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1591690/toshiba-releases-tiny-1tb-ssd #atom #ssd | Feb 14 13:17 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Toshiba invents a tiny 1tb ssd - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 69.72 KB | Feb 14 13:17 |
| schestowitz | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20100211/tc_nf/71638 | Feb 14 13:19 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Google Buzz Automatically Exposes Gmail Information - Yahoo! News .::. Size~: 97.54 KB | Feb 14 13:19 |
| schestowitz | "And if that's not bad enough, the default setting allows anyone who connects with you to see your most frequent contacts. You can disable that setting, but then those contacts won't be accessible for sharing photos, links and daily witty updates. " | Feb 14 13:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Oops, two revos being delivered tomorrow. | Feb 14 13:27 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Sooo, how badly does XP react these days to being lifted from one machine to another? Does it still have a hissy hardware fit? | Feb 14 13:31 | |
| MinceR | apparently there's 3d support in nouveau now >> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzk4MQ | Feb 14 13:38 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: [Phoronix] NVIDIA Has Gallium3D Support In Fedora 13 .::. Size~: 16.64 KB | Feb 14 13:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patent Escalations in Europe, #SAP Pretense, #CCIA Goes Wrong, and #IETF Opens Up http://ur1.ca/mb66 | Feb 14 13:40 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Patents Roundup: Escalations in Europe, SAP Pretense, CCIA Goes Wrong, and IETF Opens Up | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 100.47 KB | Feb 14 13:40 |
| oiaohm | Ok MinceR its good enough to kick the old NV drivers but. But kicking the closed source driver not good enough yet. | Feb 14 13:42 |
| MinceR | :) | Feb 14 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Quite a headline: http://techdirt.com/articles/20100210/1131198110.shtml | Feb 14 13:44 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Warner Music Shoots Self In Head; Says No More Free Streaming | Techdirt .::. Size~: 127.9 KB | Feb 14 13:44 |
| oiaohm | Thinking the old open source NV driver has no 3d support its not hard to beat. MinceR | Feb 14 13:44 |
| schestowitz | I almost took it literally | Feb 14 13:44 |
| MinceR | i know | Feb 14 13:44 |
| MinceR | but afaik nouveau didn't have 3d support until recently either | Feb 14 13:44 |
| oiaohm | It did. | Feb 14 13:44 |
| oiaohm | For about 8 months. | Feb 14 13:45 |
| oiaohm | But it was very touchy. | Feb 14 13:45 |
| MinceR | :) | Feb 14 13:45 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100210/0048218105.shtml "The Anti-Mike" I see Masnick is being trolled already | Feb 14 13:51 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Would A Moron In A Hurry Be Confused By The Difference Between A High School And A Pickup Truck? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 166.27 KB | Feb 14 13:51 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100211/0207258128.shtml | Feb 14 13:55 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: If You're A Terrorist, You're Not Allowed To Use iTunes | Techdirt .::. Size~: 56.22 KB | Feb 14 13:55 |
| schestowitz | Well, that rules out the Apple cult, doesn't it? :-) | Feb 14 13:55 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 14 13:55 |
| MinceR | depends on whose definition of "terrorist" we're using | Feb 14 13:55 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/02/south-carolinas-subversive-activities-registration-act-force/ | Feb 14 13:56 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: No joke: South Carolina now requires subversives to register | Raw Story .::. Size~: 41.03 KB | Feb 14 13:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/04/iceland200904 | Feb 14 14:04 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Wall Street on the Tundra | vanityfair.com .::. Size~: 79.92 KB | Feb 14 14:04 |
| schestowitz | Icelanders are terrorists, according to Brown | Feb 14 14:04 |
| schestowitz | They protested in the Uk, so they are terrorists | Feb 14 14:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/who-are-you-calling-terrorists-mr-brown-971471.html | Feb 14 14:04 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Who are you calling terrorists, Mr Brown? -Europe, World - The Independent .::. Size~: 108.98 KB | Feb 14 14:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/02/iceland-aims-to-become-an-offshore-haven-for-journalists-and-leakers/ | Feb 14 14:04 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100212/0357158144.shtml | Feb 14 14:04 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Iceland aims to become an offshore haven for journalists and leakers » Nieman Journalism Lab .::. Size~: 70.79 KB | Feb 14 14:04 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Iceland Wants To Become A Hub For Free Speech Journalism Protection | Techdirt .::. Size~: 76.75 KB | Feb 14 14:04 |
| schestowitz | Revenge time for the "terrorists" | Feb 14 14:05 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Wow, OLPC unveils Tablet XO at 75$ - This is for real ? http://www.erodov.com/forums/olpc-unveils-tablet-xo-computer-75-a/28420.html | Feb 14 14:07 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: News : OLPC Unveils Tablet XO Computer at $75 - Erodov Forums .::. Size~: 78.66 KB | Feb 14 14:07 |
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| kecskebak | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html | Feb 14 14:14 |
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| kecskebak | I read a good article about sovereign debt the other day - I've already said I think it should be written off, but here's a very interesting new twist as to why: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17580 | Feb 14 14:18 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The U.S "Odious Debts" used to Finance Illegal Wars .::. Size~: 47.04 KB | Feb 14 14:18 |
| schestowitz | http://bikyamasr.com/?p=8453 | Feb 14 14:20 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Statement on the closure of the legal case for Iraq in Spain | Bikya Masr .::. Size~: 38.63 KB | Feb 14 14:20 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: http://www.torontosun.com/comment/columnists/eric_margolis/2010/02/05/12758511-qmi.html | Feb 14 14:20 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Wars sending U.S. into ruin | Eric Margolis | Columnists | Comment | Toronto Sun .::. Size~: 60.81 KB | Feb 14 14:20 |
| kecskebak | Bush and Blair could be personally liable for the debt run up for these wars under international law | Feb 14 14:20 |
| kecskebak | Rather than the US and UK | Feb 14 14:20 |
| schestowitz | tyranny has its cost | Feb 14 14:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/09/china-eathquake-schools-activist-jailed | Feb 14 14:21 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: China jails investigator into Sichuan earthquake schools |World news |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 72.73 KB | Feb 14 14:21 |
| kecskebak | I know someone who thinks that quake was caused by HAARP, due to the odd colours that were visible in the sky before it. That's real tin foil hat stuff. | Feb 14 14:22 |
| kecskebak | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAARP | Feb 14 14:23 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 87.28 KB | Feb 14 14:23 |
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| schestowitz | kecskebak: they wouldn't kill so many for many, regardless of options | Feb 14 14:25 |
| schestowitz | And there's no evidence I've seen, either | Feb 14 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Now, if someone published scientific, peer-reviewed papers, then there's something to actually work with | Feb 14 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Otherwise it's pure speculation | Feb 14 14:25 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10448060-38.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.1 | Feb 14 14:26 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: FBI wants records kept of Web sites visited | Politics and Law - CNET News .::. Size~: 192.35 KB | Feb 14 14:26 |
| kecskebak | That's why I said it's tin foil hat stuff - I don't believe it either | Feb 14 14:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/feb/11/eu-summit-greece-bailout-imf | Feb 14 14:27 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: EU leaders reach Greek bailout deal |Business |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 209.94 KB | Feb 14 14:27 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] #24camp video - seqfault http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95jDty9GB6w (via @ideamonk) | Feb 14 14:27 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: YouTube- #24Camp HackFuck! .::. Size~: 92.68 KB | Feb 14 14:27 |
| kecskebak | Well, they agreed to do nothing yet. | Feb 14 14:27 |
| kecskebak | Prof Michael Hudson has been on Guns and Butter again, this time answering in very plain English questions about the current crisis - it's very illuminating | Feb 14 14:28 |
| kecskebak | http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/58530 | Feb 14 14:28 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Guns and Butter - The New Junk Economics: From Democracy to Neoliberal Oligarchy - February 10, 2010 at 1:00pm | KPFA 94.1 FM Berkeley: Listener Sponsored Free Speech Radio .::. Size~: 21.26 KB | Feb 14 14:28 |
| kecskebak | It goes through so many current issues and explains them so clearly. | Feb 14 14:29 |
| kecskebak | Probably the best background piece you can have - you should link to it in your news section | Feb 14 14:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/feb/05/science-climate-emails-code-release | Feb 14 14:31 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: If you're going to do good science, release the computer code too |Technology |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 220.07 KB | Feb 14 14:31 |
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| schestowitz | kecskebak: thanks, will listen to it tonight | Feb 14 14:31 |
| kecskebak | Been really enjoying BN recently - congratulations on 9000+ posts schestowitz | Feb 14 14:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | OVER NINE THOUSAND?! | Feb 14 14:33 |
| kecskebak | http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/11/boycott-novell-milestone-9000/ | Feb 14 14:34 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Post #9,000 Reached | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 86.96 KB | Feb 14 14:34 |
| MinceR | :D | Feb 14 14:34 |
| kecskebak | Absolutely fantastic achievement - deserves a Pulitzer | Feb 14 14:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | unfortunately, quantity is not a replacement for quality | Feb 14 14:35 |
| MinceR | the post could have used more dragonball references though :> | Feb 14 14:35 |
| schestowitz | https://secure.aclu.org/site/Advocacy?pagename=homepage&id=1961&page=UserAction&s_src=UNW100001ACT&s_subsrc=020910_subemail&JServSessionIdr004=pgovx62sx1.app226a | Feb 14 14:35 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: ACLU: .::. Size~: 23.97 KB | Feb 14 14:35 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: dragonball? | Feb 14 14:35 |
| MinceR | (nsfw?) http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Over_9000 | Feb 14 14:36 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Over 9000 - Encyclopedia Dramatica .::. Size~: 76.73 KB | Feb 14 14:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.uoregon.edu/~smoloney/Pictures/001%20-%20Ryu%20Holofoil%20Cover.jpg | Feb 14 14:36 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: University of Oregon .::. Size~: 18.73 KB | Feb 14 14:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/File:Over9000stockmarket.jpg | Feb 14 14:38 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: File:Over9000stockmarket.jpg - Encyclopedia Dramatica .::. Size~: 22.68 KB | Feb 14 14:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | hah | Feb 14 14:38 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/File:Phelps2.gif | Feb 14 14:38 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: File:Phelps2.gif - Encyclopedia Dramatica .::. Size~: 22.53 KB | Feb 14 14:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/File:Ated_economy_bush.jpg | Feb 14 14:39 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: File:Ated economy bush.jpg - Encyclopedia Dramatica .::. Size~: 23.18 KB | Feb 14 14:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/File:Phelps2.gif | Feb 14 14:40 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: File:Phelps2.gif - Encyclopedia Dramatica .::. Size~: 22.53 KB | Feb 14 14:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 14:41 |
| schestowitz | Due to hosting costs, | Feb 14 14:41 |
| schestowitz | Encyclopedia Dramatica | Feb 14 14:41 |
| schestowitz | may not have long to live... | Feb 14 14:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 14:42 |
| schestowitz | What issues? | Feb 14 14:42 |
| schestowitz | Offensive content? | Feb 14 14:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | their bill is over $9000 a month | Feb 14 14:42 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmm.. BN's Netcraft ranking is higher than Encyclopedia Dramatica's | Feb 14 14:42 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: maybe they lie | Feb 14 14:42 |
| schestowitz | Or maybe like Wikileaks they need legal walls | Feb 14 14:43 |
| schestowitz | http://robertogaloppini.net/2010/01/26/eu-oracle-sun-investigation-carlo-piana%e2%80%99s-feedback/ | Feb 14 14:43 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: EU Oracle Sun Investigation: Carlo Piana’s Feedback .::. Size~: 36.92 KB | Feb 14 14:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: ed is really popular | Feb 14 14:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | and its also a ddos magnet | Feb 14 14:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cafepress.co.uk/webmink | Feb 14 14:46 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: A World Without Walls... : In A World Without Walls, Who Needs Windows? .::. Size~: 51.58 KB | Feb 14 14:46 |
| MinceR | in a world without fences and walls, who needs gates and windows? | Feb 14 14:47 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8501042.stm | Feb 14 14:47 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 88.65 KB | Feb 14 14:47 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: in a world, who needs gates and windows? | Feb 14 14:47 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 14 14:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | in a world, who neeeds | Feb 14 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Occam's razor | Feb 14 14:48 |
| schestowitz | I like | Feb 14 14:48 |
| schestowitz | http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fasterforward/2010/02/acta_absurdity_continues.html | Feb 14 14:49 |
| schestowitz | "Serious break-down of trust here, as seemingly the fusion of pragmatism and secrecy at Google is leading them to treat their community responsibilities as a low priority. We'll see much more of this from corporate FOSS users in the future, which is why I'm convinced we need to grade projects on more than just their license choice (or the warmness towards the FOSS communities of their out-of-band programmes)." | Feb 14 14:49 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/links_for_2010_02_08 | Feb 14 14:49 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: ☞ Community Matters [on Simon Phipps, SunMink] .::. Size~: 31.3 KB | Feb 14 14:49 |
| MinceR | in a, who | Feb 14 14:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | a | Feb 14 14:50 |
| MinceR | Feb 14 14:51 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Neat: http://mugtug.com/sketchpad/ Create some fun images (needs JS) | Feb 14 14:51 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Sketchpad - Online Paint/Drawing application .::. Size~: 176.1 KB | Feb 14 14:51 |
| *schestowitz ☞ | Feb 14 14:51 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #ACTA absurdity continues, may only get worse http://ur1.ca/lgnh #douchebag tag is for our government | Feb 14 14:52 | |
| schestowitz | I was giving the finger BTW | Feb 14 14:52 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 14 14:52 |
| MinceR | "how about i give you the finger and you give me my phone call?" | Feb 14 14:52 |
| schestowitz | ASCII/unicode.... it has EVERYTHING! | Feb 14 14:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | Mister Anderson, what good is a phone call when you are unable to speak? | Feb 14 14:53 |
| MinceR | "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson." | Feb 14 14:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wonder whatever happened to machinae supremacy | Feb 14 14:54 |
| MinceR | something happened to them? | Feb 14 14:55 |
| MinceR | the website indicates they're still around | Feb 14 14:55 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/02/study-links-soda-pancreatic-cancer/ | Feb 14 14:55 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Study links soda, pancreatic cancer | Raw Story .::. Size~: 40.19 KB | Feb 14 14:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, but they stopped being popular | Feb 14 14:55 |
| schestowitz | Opposite of Michael Jackson then | Feb 14 14:56 |
| schestowitz | Now they just need a good traumatic death | Feb 14 14:56 |
| *fewa_ has quit (Quit: fewa_) | Feb 14 14:56 | |
| MinceR | :/ | Feb 14 14:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | GET THE BLENDER! | Feb 14 14:56 |
| *MinceR gets the 3d modeling/rendering app | Feb 14 14:56 | |
| schestowitz | In music, death sells, man | Feb 14 14:57 |
| MinceR | death also keeps more music from being made | Feb 14 14:57 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't matter | Feb 14 14:57 |
| MinceR | it does matter to me | Feb 14 14:57 |
| schestowitz | Copyright is for Sony to own MJ's works | Feb 14 14:57 |
| schestowitz | So it can squeeze money while he's rotting in the casket | Feb 14 14:57 |
| MinceR | i don't care about MJ's "works" | Feb 14 14:57 |
| schestowitz | It's not his | Feb 14 14:57 |
| schestowitz | It's Quincy Jones' | Feb 14 14:58 |
| schestowitz | And Motown's | Feb 14 14:58 |
| schestowitz | And Teddy Riley's | Feb 14 14:58 |
| schestowitz | ..... | Feb 14 14:58 |
| schestowitz | He's just a product | Feb 14 14:58 |
| schestowitz | He dances and sings | Feb 14 14:58 |
| schestowitz | And molests kids | Feb 14 14:58 |
| MinceR | not anymore :> | Feb 14 14:58 |
| schestowitz | True... | Feb 14 14:58 |
| MinceR | at least until they cast Animate Dead on him again | Feb 14 14:58 |
| schestowitz | Thriller. | Feb 14 14:59 |
| MinceR | hm, maybe it won't work again | Feb 14 14:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The following OOo figures neglect to account for the erosion of MSOffice margins, caused by OOo http://ur1.ca/m26r | Feb 14 15:01 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: News: International OpenOffice market shares - Portal - Tutorials, Tipps und Tricks für Webmaster auf Webmasterpro.de .::. Size~: 28.99 KB | Feb 14 15:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] It's sad to see Sun's CEO reduced to "just another WordPress blog"^TM http://jonathanischwartz.wordpress.com/ | Feb 14 15:03 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: What I Couldn't Say& .::. Size~: 85.37 KB | Feb 14 15:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | fire the rt canon | Feb 14 15:05 |
| schestowitz | &rt; ? | Feb 14 15:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/02/openoffice-back-in-ubuntu-netbook.html | Feb 14 15:07 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: It's Not The Hokey Cokey; OpenOffice BACK In Ubuntu Netbook Edition After User Outcry | OMG! Ubuntu! .::. Size~: 102.89 KB | Feb 14 15:07 |
| schestowitz | Phipps: "I should think so too. Not all Netbook use-cases are online. Connectivity on the train to London is unusable, and giving presentations in most auditoria would be impossible if a reliable connection was mandatory. I was beginning to lose confidence in the judgment of the UNR developers, hope this is a sign they will listen to users a little more from now on." | Feb 14 15:07 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] ♺ @schestowitz: It's sad to see Sun's CEO reduced to "just another WordPress blog"^TM http://jonathanischwartz.wordpress.com/ | Feb 14 15:07 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: What I Couldn't Say& .::. Size~: 85.37 KB | Feb 14 15:07 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: Johnny couldn't even host the blog in a domain he owns???? | Feb 14 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | he might not own t | Feb 14 15:08 |
| schestowitz | I see he exported from his Sun blog.... like some teenage n00b writing about basketball in blogspot | Feb 14 15:08 |
| schestowitz | And then saying, "meh, blogspot sucks fish... I'm outta here... let's check out this other free account thingie" | Feb 14 15:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, he could just point his domain at the wordpress blog | Feb 14 15:09 |
| schestowitz | WordPress does it properly | Feb 14 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Like OStatic | Feb 14 15:10 |
| schestowitz | It's one of their services | Feb 14 15:10 |
| schestowitz | he's just doing it wrong, IMHO | Feb 14 15:10 |
| schestowitz | I like him | Feb 14 15:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes a CEO | Feb 14 15:10 |
| schestowitz | But this is belittleing him | Feb 14 15:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | what would he know about computers | Feb 14 15:10 |
| schestowitz | You could just troll him in his hosted blog, to which he'd forget him password | Feb 14 15:10 |
| schestowitz | *his | Feb 14 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Sutor runs his own blog | Feb 14 15:11 |
| schestowitz | He's not completely out of touch, being a VP | Feb 14 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Many of them know better how to WRITE about technology ("going forward..." "innovation..." "federating...") than WRITING _the_ technology | Feb 14 15:12 |
| schestowitz | Like at Novell... look at Jaffe and Dragoon | Feb 14 15:12 |
| schestowitz | "What I Couldn't Say…"...... | Feb 14 15:12 |
| schestowitz | Provocative blog name | Feb 14 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he'll blow the whistle on Ellison cheating on another wife | Feb 14 15:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60L58Z20100122 | Feb 14 15:13 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Ex-mistress puts Oracle executive on the spot| Reuters .::. Size~: 47.52 KB | Feb 14 15:13 |
| schestowitz | "Ellison has been married four times." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Ellison | Feb 14 15:14 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Larry Ellison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 66.73 KB | Feb 14 15:14 |
| schestowitz | "His first three marriages ended in a divorce. He was married to Adda Quinn from 1967 to 1974. He was married to Nancy Wheeler Jenkins between 1977 and 1978. From 1983 to 1986, he was married to Barbara Boothe: two children were born of this marriage, a son and daughter named David and Megan." | Feb 14 15:14 |
| schestowitz | "During the 1970s, Ellison worked for Ampex Corporation. One of his projects was a database for the CIA, which he named "Oracle"." | Feb 14 15:16 |
| schestowitz | he's about 66 now... much older than the "thieves of Silicon Valley", one of whom he's friends with | Feb 14 15:16 |
| *kecskebak has quit (Quit: kecskebak) | Feb 14 15:16 | |
| schestowitz | Oracle has roots in the CIA then | Feb 14 15:18 |
| schestowitz | Spook-y | Feb 14 15:18 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Feb 14 15:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz no worse than the many, many geeks on blogger or livejournal | Feb 14 15:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz having numbers around 20% makes OOo Serious Competition. And the OOo 3.2 startup time needs trumpeting around the world. | Feb 14 15:33 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Best made plans and all that......still got some stuff to publish on Openbytes...sisters birthday meal though so it will have to wait. | Feb 14 15:44 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Maybe I am missing sommat.1st user on Ubuntu uses ecryptfs, no subsequent users setup do? No easy way to encrypt 2nd user home.. | Feb 14 16:18 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Indian Patent Office granted on “System for Creating an Application Program Package’” to IBM (n176178): http://i5.be/atI | Feb 14 16:31 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RT @zoobab: Indian Patent Office granted on “System for Creating an Application Program Package’” to IBM (n176178): http://i5.be/atI | Feb 14 16:52 | |
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| MinceR | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/14/1539216/Googlecn-Still-Remains-In-China?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29 | Feb 14 17:03 |
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| MinceR | they say censorship is enabled again -- not speaking chinese, i can't really verify that | Feb 14 17:04 |
| MinceR | this confirms it: http://www.google.cn/search?hl=zh-CN&q=tiananmen+site%3Awikipedia.org&btnG=Google+%E6%90%9C%E7%B4%A2 | Feb 14 17:05 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: tiananmen site:wikipedia.org - Google 搜索 .::. Size~: 14.35 KB | Feb 14 17:05 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Apache #Ivy 2.2.0-svn finally fixed this bug http://ur1.ca/mbkh so embedded #Glassfish apps work right now | Feb 14 17:12 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Next #24camp in (MIT ?) dates: 19-20 Feb http://24camp.org/Camp/20Feb2010 | Feb 14 17:17 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] I just took action to support two anti-whaling activists who face up to 10 yrs in jail for exposing corruption http://bit.ly/WhalePledge | Feb 14 17:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ OpenOffice 3.2 is actually good and usable http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/28545.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/542393.html | Feb 14 17:46 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: reddragdiva | OpenOffice 3.2 is actually good and usable. .::. Size~: 27.56 KB | Feb 14 17:46 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Trying out clonezilla. It's a bit good. This free software lark is good fun y'know. | Feb 14 17:49 | |
| schestowitz | Interesting: http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/ogg/135 | Feb 14 17:52 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Linux Outlaws 135 - So Good, They Tried to Patent Him | Linux Outlaws .::. Size~: 20.18 KB | Feb 14 17:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[aondo] #rawstudio is really starting to shine, exciting project to follow as i edit my images with it. | Feb 14 17:52 | |
| schestowitz | tessier__: did something change on the server around the 4th-5th of the month? | Feb 14 17:55 |
| schestowitz | The compressed DB size for WordPress declined about 5 MB between those data. Maybe DB cache? Something else? Different compressor (Gz)? | Feb 14 17:55 |
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| tomsdale | I want to watch the olympics on linux. All sites here in Canada use Silverlight which is bad enough however moonlight suggests that you can watch the olympics using moonlight. | Feb 14 18:03 |
| tomsdale | http://go-mono.com/moonlight/ first point on the right | Feb 14 18:04 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Moonlight .::. Size~: 5.4 KB | Feb 14 18:04 |
| tomsdale | well, can you? I installed moonlight on arch and ubuntu, you can't view videos on http://www.rdsolympiques.ca/ | Feb 14 18:06 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: RDS olympiques | Jeux olympiques d'hiver de 2010 à Vancouver .::. Size~: 86.43 KB | Feb 14 18:06 |
| tomsdale | sry, or the english verision http://www.ctvolympics.ca/ Do you know of any other site where this promise is true? | Feb 14 18:06 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: 2010 Winter Olympics - Watch Online - News, Results, Photos and Video - CTV Olympics .::. Size~: 93.53 KB | Feb 14 18:06 |
| cubezzz | I'm watching the olympics on Linux, off my tv card | Feb 14 18:07 |
| MinceR | i'm not watching the olympics :> | Feb 14 18:07 |
| tomsdale | lucky you !! I don't have TV. | Feb 14 18:07 |
| cubezzz | a million times better than streaming off the net :) | Feb 14 18:07 |
| cubezzz | or using moonlight | Feb 14 18:08 |
| Aondo | you get it in 720p? | Feb 14 18:09 |
| Aondo | on your card? | Feb 14 18:09 |
| tomsdale | I believe you but my point is really about the suggestion on the moonlight website. And if I would get a TV card now next time I would use it is probably 2012 :-) | Feb 14 18:10 |
| Aondo | dont you know, the world ends at 2012. :P | Feb 14 18:11 |
| tomsdale | Well, that's just me. If the world would end tomorrow I would still plant a tree today :-) | Feb 14 18:11 |
| Aondo | :) | Feb 14 18:11 |
| cubezzz | CTV is always anti-linux btw | Feb 14 18:11 |
| cubezzz | they are the worst of the worst | Feb 14 18:12 |
| tomsdale | I think I'm a step further - you will have to install a preview version of moonlight which is considered "alpha", downloading now - 10MB | Feb 14 18:12 |
| cubezzz | in this case antenna beats internet | Feb 14 18:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Is it normal for a MySQL database (sqldump) to shrink by about 10% overnight? Maybe cache? | Feb 14 18:14 | |
| tomsdale | my poor fresh arch install - not even 24 hours old and already I'm installing ms crap. | Feb 14 18:15 |
| tomsdale | ah, with the 2.9xxx version something seems to be happening. | Feb 14 18:18 |
| cubezzz | boo :) | Feb 14 18:18 |
| tomsdale | comes up with a popup, give it a shot - might not work but well - now I'm getting a picture | Feb 14 18:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just ordered another Ortek-1100 basic IR remote control for the pending Revo \o/ | Feb 14 18:19 | |
| tomsdale | well, I would not call it a videostream, more of a picture slide show, pretty unusable the feed. | Feb 14 18:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Sex and the Off-Label Use of Our Bodies http://is.gd/8noiW HT @apiphile | Feb 14 18:27 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: [Greta Christina] Sex and the Off-Label Use of Our Bodies | Blowfish Blog .::. Size~: 35.31 KB | Feb 14 18:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Wonder if I can use clonezilla to do a kind of p2v, convert real install to a virtual machine in vbox | Feb 14 18:34 | |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=11994 "So last night I noticed this particular post by Calacanis on Buzz, where he effectively spells the death knell for FaceBook. So I replied to this Buzz, telling him that his stupid pre-iPad launch stunt diminished his political capital with his fellow Weberati and he should quit on predicting FaceBook’s death spiral while he was ahead." | Feb 14 18:43 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: What the Buzz? Get Me Off This Crazy Thing!!! | Tech Broiler | ZDNet.com .::. Size~: 113.6 KB | Feb 14 18:43 |
| schestowitz | I actually agree with Perlow on this one | Feb 14 18:43 |
| schestowitz | BN wrote about Calacanis and the bribe | Feb 14 18:43 |
| schestowitz | tomsdale: hey :-) | Feb 14 18:43 |
| schestowitz | SIlver Lie and (MS)NBC,,,,,, | Feb 14 18:44 |
| schestowitz | It's back to 2003.... pre-Flash on Linux days when Web videos was /maybe/ accessible to Linux with RealPlayer | Feb 14 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Been there, done that. | Feb 14 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft wants Linux to go back to those dark ages | Feb 14 18:44 |
| tomsdale | hi schestowitz, absolutely true. I thought I could catch them at a lie but I guess you could consider the slideshow they present me on linux as "viewing the olympics" | Feb 14 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's ambassador to Linux, MSMVP Miguel de Icaza, says we should buy patents and use Silver Lie | Feb 14 18:46 |
| schestowitz | If it doesn't work, then good | Feb 14 18:47 |
| schestowitz | It's doing what it's supposed to | Feb 14 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Makjng Linux look bad while keeping regulators off Bill and Stsve | Feb 14 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Those who are helping Microsoft here Only-Do-it-For-a-Paycheck(TM) | Feb 14 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Bunch of cronies... | Feb 14 18:47 |
| tomsdale | well, it does sort of. If it wouldn't have worked at all I would have wrote them an email and demanded that they remove it. | Feb 14 18:48 |
| schestowitz | WIntel journos crow about how wonderful it is that Silver Lie run on Linux | Feb 14 18:48 |
| schestowitz | They don't use Linux | Feb 14 18:48 |
| schestowitz | So they don't test it for themselves | Feb 14 18:48 |
| schestowitz | They repeat press reelases and "promises" where Microsoft gives illusion of no patent issues | Feb 14 18:48 |
| tomsdale | I think to get the contracts with the TV studios they had to show a remote possiblity to view it also on linux to compete with flash. | Feb 14 18:49 |
| schestowitz | tomsdale: yes | Feb 14 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Exclusives | Feb 14 18:49 |
| tomsdale | But you can't really call it "watching" on Linux, it's pathetic. | Feb 14 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Some of the uglist most anticompetitve nuclear watse of IT | Feb 14 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Punishijng throughn exclusion instead of offering value | Feb 14 18:50 |
| schestowitz | tomsdale: just Microosft codecs | Feb 14 18:50 |
| schestowitz | It's proprietary | Feb 14 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Patents too | Feb 14 18:50 |
| tomsdale | I guess it's really the videocontent delivery they are after. MS understood that the futuer distribution model will be based on the internet so they are fighting hard. | Feb 14 18:51 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Dumb Labels, Laws (Not Google) To Blame for Music Blog Deletions http://ur1.ca/mbqu | Feb 14 18:57 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Dumb Labels, Laws (Not Google) To Blame for Music Blog Deletions | Epicenter | Wired.com .::. Size~: 99.07 KB | Feb 14 18:57 |
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| cubezzz | eh? | Feb 14 19:01 |
| cubezzz | just use a TV card dude | Feb 14 19:01 |
| cubezzz | internet can't compete with tv coverage | Feb 14 19:01 |
| MinceR | it may yet change | Feb 14 19:02 |
| MinceR | m$ must not be allowed to win this war | Feb 14 19:02 |
| cubezzz | don't waste your time with sliver lie or whatever the heck it's called :) | Feb 14 19:03 |
| cubezzz | yeah eventually we'll be all using fiber | Feb 14 19:04 |
| cubezzz | but 1080i off Antenna is better than internet for Olympics | Feb 14 19:05 |
| cubezzz | plus i'm using Linux still | Feb 14 19:06 |
| cubezzz | yes, it's disappointing that CBC and CTV are using silverlight for the Olympics | Feb 14 19:08 |
| cubezzz | the internet is crudded up with all sorts of crap | Feb 14 19:08 |
| cubezzz | you might have better luck with BBC for Olympics on the net | Feb 14 19:10 |
| cubezzz | they tend to be less under the influence of the Big M | Feb 14 19:11 |
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| schestowitz | McDonalds? | Feb 14 19:13 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft in this case | Feb 14 19:13 |
| schestowitz | I have a question. The compressed DB size (for WordPress) declined about 5 MB between two dates (overnight). Maybe DB cache? Something else? Is this normal? | Feb 14 19:14 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: I know, was joking | Feb 14 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Does the new WordPress purse drafts or post revision after some while? | Feb 14 19:14 |
| schestowitz | I seem not to lose loss of data, but the database become a lot smaller a week ago | Feb 14 19:14 |
| schestowitz | down to 425MB | Feb 14 19:15 |
| cubezzz | bz2 rather than gz maybe? | Feb 14 19:15 |
| schestowitz | No | Feb 14 19:18 |
| schestowitz | I uncompressed | Feb 14 19:18 |
| schestowitz | It did get smaller | Feb 14 19:18 |
| schestowitz | I speculate that WordPress did something to shrink it | Feb 14 19:18 |
| schestowitz | There's no error or missing data that I can't see | Feb 14 19:18 |
| schestowitz | But I want to be sure | Feb 14 19:19 |
| schestowitz | I've never before seen my CMS DBs getting smaller from one day to another | Feb 14 19:19 |
| schestowitz | I'll check with tessier__ when he's around | Feb 14 19:20 |
| schestowitz | I'm also asking in #wordpress IRC | Feb 14 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Google produces no results of much relevance at all | Feb 14 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Question though: | Feb 14 19:21 |
| schestowitz | In MYSQL.... | Feb 14 19:21 |
| schestowitz | If there is cache... | Feb 14 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Is it appended to the DB? | Feb 14 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Or peripheral to it? | Feb 14 19:21 |
| schestowitz | What is a good graphical UI for interpreting mysql? | Feb 14 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmm... http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/mysql-gui-tools-common | Feb 14 19:23 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Ubuntu -- Details of package mysql-gui-tools-common in hardy .::. Size~: 9.65 KB | Feb 14 19:23 |
| schestowitz | mysql-admin is 22mb | Feb 14 19:24 |
| cubezzz | you know what Microsoft is doing to media in general is worrisome | Feb 14 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Media formats/protocols or the content? | Feb 14 19:28 |
| cubezzz | msnbc and such | Feb 14 19:28 |
| schestowitz | As in deception | Feb 14 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 14 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Welcome to to the US of Advertising | Feb 14 19:28 |
| cubezzz | partnerships with broadcasters | Feb 14 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Where the companies own the newspapers | Feb 14 19:28 |
| schestowitz | And companies can also fund candidates without boundaries now... installing cronies | Feb 14 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Lessig wrote a good article about it | Feb 14 19:29 |
| cubezzz | well, I can't get anything from NBC so they suck too | Feb 14 19:29 |
| cubezzz | shows the importance of Antenna though | Feb 14 19:30 |
| cubezzz | NBC is using obfuscated URL tricks | Feb 14 19:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.happyassassin.net/2010/02/12/from-the-freaking-awesome-department-3d-support-on-nouveau/ | Feb 14 19:32 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: AdamW on Linux and more » Blog Archive » From the freaking awesome department 3D support on nouveau .::. Size~: 24.89 KB | Feb 14 19:32 |
| cubezzz | well I think newspapers on paper are on the way out | Feb 14 19:32 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Just subscribed to http://is.gd/8nzVC for access to a bunch of Android books for £25/year.Looks like a good deal to me! | Feb 14 19:32 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: CommonsWare .::. Size~: 3.62 KB | Feb 14 19:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Does your religion see other religions as actually being religions? Whether you yourself do or not. Your feelings on the official position? | Feb 14 19:32 | |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: unless they become state-sponsored | Feb 14 19:46 |
| schestowitz | I think that's what happened in Holland | Feb 14 19:46 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Both #Skype and #Safari are sitting here using 65-70% of a CPU *each*, while doing nothing. This is not acceptable. | Feb 14 19:46 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @quelsolaar #Love has a release date: 25th of march // #mmorpg http://quelsolaar.com I only wish it worked on my #Radeon X1650 Pro :( | Feb 14 19:48 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@KatrinaNation How multimlnaire former Guv/charges 6 figs 4 speaking gigs+fleet of DC advisers/ claim 2 be "every-mom"? // Big Lies work | Feb 14 19:54 | |
| Highres | hello | Feb 14 20:00 |
| *Highres is now known as pawel_123 | Feb 14 20:00 | |
| pawel_123 | http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/14/novell-negative-endeavors/ | Feb 14 20:00 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Novell More of a Reflection of Microsoft as Weeks Go By | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 102.66 KB | Feb 14 20:00 |
| pawel_123 | Our reader Pawel shows us what he calls “another mono evangelist which is a gnome dev“: | Feb 14 20:01 |
| pawel_123 | the link is broken | Feb 14 20:01 |
| pawel_123 | it links to: http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2010/02/onondaga_countys_no_8_fugitive.html | Feb 14 20:01 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Onondaga County's No. 8 fugitive captured hours after Top Ten list released | News from The Post-Standard - .::. Size~: 57.68 KB | Feb 14 20:01 |
| schestowitz | "I have attached an article about Chevron. Which is being accused of creating what is called the worst oil related disaster on the planet in Ecuador, where it polluted the Ecuadorian rainforest by deliberately dumping 18 billion gallons of toxic crude oil and wastewater! " | Feb 14 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Hi, phIRCe-BNc | Feb 14 20:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Impressively clonezilla successfully converted a phyical install to a virtual one. Ubuntu just booted. Now XP. Can't see this working. | Feb 14 20:02 | |
| pawel_123 | it should be: http://pvanhoof.be/blog/index.php/2010/02/09/please-dont-rewrite-softwares-written-in-net | Feb 14 20:03 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Replicating memes » Blog Archive » Please dont rewrite softwares (that are) written in .NET .::. Size~: 18.73 KB | Feb 14 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Feb 14 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Novell the murderer | Feb 14 20:03 |
| pawel_123 | yep ;) | Feb 14 20:03 |
| cubezzz | ? | Feb 14 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Try now | Feb 14 20:04 |
| pawel_123 | btw. thank you for posting about this | Feb 14 20:04 |
| schestowitz | np | Feb 14 20:04 |
| pawel_123 | it's good now | Feb 14 20:05 |
| pawel_123 | Icaza posted this at planet gnome: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2010/Feb-14.html | Feb 14 20:06 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Valentine's Day Call to Action - Miguel de Icaza .::. Size~: 16.49 KB | Feb 14 20:06 |
| pawel_123 | mono | Feb 14 20:06 |
| cubezzz | lol | Feb 14 20:06 |
| cubezzz | "And yes, because I own the infrastructure that hosts this blog system (I really do) is it my right to ban you and remove your messages (please do go stand on your head and hate me for it, I don’t give a shit)." | Feb 14 20:06 |
| cubezzz | friendly | Feb 14 20:06 |
| schestowitz | [19:47] <schestowitz> Does WordPress delete post revisions to compact the database after some period of time? My database suddenly lost about 40 MB and and I fail to spot any difference at all in the site. What might be the cause? | Feb 14 20:07 |
| schestowitz | [19:52] <hajii> .codex revision management > schestowitz | Feb 14 20:07 |
| schestowitz | [19:52] <wp-doc-bot> schestowitz: http://codex.wordpress.org/Revision_Management | Feb 14 20:07 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Revision Management « WordPress Codex .::. Size~: 12.08 KB | Feb 14 20:07 |
| schestowitz | [19:57] <schestowitz> DobreJoe , hajii: thanks so much. I've just read it. Doesm this suggest anywhere that revisions will be 'cleaned up' (removed) after some period of time without explicit invocation? | Feb 14 20:07 |
| schestowitz | [19:58] <hajii> @schestowitz, they are not cleaned up automatically, especially if you've done none of that | Feb 14 20:07 |
| schestowitz | [19:58] <schestowitz> That's what I thought. How come the DB just shrank? The number of comments and posts seems right.. but I can't figure out what was trimmed. | Feb 14 20:07 |
| schestowitz | [20:01] <hajii> @schestowitz - other than comparing to a backup version, no idea from me | Feb 14 20:07 |
| schestowitz | [20:05] <schestowitz> hajii: thanks | Feb 14 20:07 |
| schestowitz | ANyone got an idea maybe? | Feb 14 20:07 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: where is that quote from? | Feb 14 20:08 |
| cubezzz | http://pvanhoof.be/blog/index.php/2010/02/09/please-dont-rewrite-softwares-written-in-net | Feb 14 20:08 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Replicating memes » Blog Archive » Please dont rewrite softwares (that are) written in .NET .::. Size~: 18.73 KB | Feb 14 20:08 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: OK | Feb 14 20:09 |
| cubezzz | they seem to be defending .NET | Feb 14 20:09 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.NET_Framework#Criticism | Feb 14 20:12 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: .NET Framework - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 216.93 KB | Feb 14 20:12 |
| cubezzz | heh, they don't want peeps reverse engineering their secrets ;-) | Feb 14 20:13 |
| pawel_123 | Btw. this Philip Van Hoof should be very well known - Senior GNOME developer Philip Van Hoof made the proposal in a post to the GNOME Foundation's mailing list. He was seconded in this by GNOME Foundation advisory board member David Schlesinger. | Feb 14 20:14 |
| cubezzz | he sounds like a dick | Feb 14 20:15 |
| pawel_123 | like Icaza | Feb 14 20:16 |
| cubezzz | it's sad really | Feb 14 20:16 |
| pawel_123 | yes, it is | Feb 14 20:17 |
| cubezzz | Philip Van Hoof-in-mouth :) | Feb 14 20:17 |
| cubezzz | why is he defending .NET? | Feb 14 20:17 |
| pawel_123 | he probably has some interest in this | Feb 14 20:18 |
| cubezzz | $$$ I suppose | Feb 14 20:18 |
| pawel_123 | exactly :) | Feb 14 20:18 |
| pawel_123 | I don't respect such people | Feb 14 20:19 |
| pawel_123 | and things they do | Feb 14 20:19 |
| cubezzz | well everyone wants money, I can understand it that far | Feb 14 20:19 |
| cubezzz | but .NET? I would never use that | Feb 14 20:20 |
| pawel_123 | many people wants money, but the way they earn it counts | Feb 14 20:20 |
| pawel_123 | some spread fud, some other lobby etc. | Feb 14 20:21 |
| cubezzz | well, there's always going to be people you don't agree with | Feb 14 20:23 |
| cubezzz | the microsoft ads on linuxtoday are irksome | Feb 14 20:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=1162 | Feb 14 20:29 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Toward vs. Towards | Archived Blog | Bob Sutor .::. Size~: 70.57 KB | Feb 14 20:29 |
| schestowitz | "In brief, use them interchangeably. If you are from the US, you probably say “toward,” while if you are from the UK you probably say “towards.” If you are from anywhere else, you get to choose." | Feb 14 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Interesting to know... | Feb 14 20:29 |
| cubezzz | in fact it's an ad-fest there | Feb 14 20:29 |
| cubezzz | this is part of the reason I still use fc1 actually | Feb 14 20:30 |
| cubezzz | no mysterious updates to worry about, unless I do them myself | Feb 14 20:31 |
| schestowitz | tessier , holler when you're around :-D | Feb 14 20:32 |
| pawel_123 | cubezzz: yes, I didn't care about such adds, because I thought MS pays much money for this and this money is for Linux, but I'm probably wrong | Feb 14 20:33 |
| cubezzz | simpler is better | Feb 14 20:33 |
| pawel_123 | yes | Feb 14 20:33 |
| pawel_123 | btw. it's great you mentioned this: shuttleworth-quote-on-api | Feb 14 20:34 |
| pawel_123 | there must some lobbyst in Ubuntu who lobby against mono | Feb 14 20:35 |
| pawel_123 | must be* | Feb 14 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Maybe intimidates or marginalised, knowing how Team Mono operates | Feb 14 20:37 |
| schestowitz | They play the "intolerant card" | Feb 14 20:37 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft hater!" etc. | Feb 14 20:37 |
| cubezzz | is there a distro that comes with ALL it's own source? | Feb 14 20:37 |
| cubezzz | LFS I suppose would | Feb 14 20:37 |
| cubezzz | but I *am* a Microsoft hater | Feb 14 20:38 |
| cubezzz | ;-) | Feb 14 20:38 |
| cubezzz | I totally hate them | Feb 14 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Do you hate Ted Bundy? | Feb 14 20:38 |
| cubezzz | ummm | Feb 14 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Do you hate the Flu? | Feb 14 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Don't be a hater | Feb 14 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Love everything /sarcasm | Feb 14 20:39 |
| schestowitz | If you don't, you're a bad person | Feb 14 20:39 |
| MinceR | don't hate the idea of ballmer being killed? | Feb 14 20:40 |
| cubezzz | it's the closed source I can't stand | Feb 14 20:40 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: read http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/16/love-thy-criminals/ | Feb 14 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: Falwel | Feb 14 20:40 |
| cubezzz | I don't care about Ballmer one way or the other | Feb 14 20:40 |
| cubezzz | he's just a goofball | Feb 14 20:41 |
| cubezzz | he has nothing of substance to say | Feb 14 20:41 |
| MinceR | and those who complain about haters hate haters, therefore they're haters too! | Feb 14 20:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doKkOSMaTk4 | Feb 14 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-CAcdta_8I | Feb 14 20:41 |
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| cubezzz | recursive haters :) | Feb 14 20:42 |
| cubezzz | even worse | Feb 14 20:42 |
| MinceR | i'll be the hater-hater hater | Feb 14 20:42 |
| cubezzz | What I don't like is when you get a Linux distro you don't really get all the source | Feb 14 20:42 |
| schestowitz | He blame gays for 9/11 | Feb 14 20:42 |
| schestowitz | *blames | Feb 14 20:43 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: Fedora gives the source | Feb 14 20:43 |
| cubezzz | ok, let's just stick with the non-crazy people shall we? :) | Feb 14 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Even on a CD | Feb 14 20:43 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: damn. | Feb 14 20:43 |
| cubezzz | all of it? | Feb 14 20:43 |
| schestowitz | So we can't discuss anyone from Microsoft now? | Feb 14 20:43 |
| schestowitz | :-p | Feb 14 20:43 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: yes | Feb 14 20:43 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK | Feb 14 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Paul Friels gave it away on CDs some years back | Feb 14 20:44 |
| cubezzz | e.g. I don't have rhgb-client source | Feb 14 20:44 |
| cubezzz | I check it | Feb 14 20:44 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, shouldn't that be "Honoré de Balzac"? | Feb 14 20:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/02/quantum-logic-atomic-clock/ | Feb 14 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: probably | Feb 14 20:45 |
| schestowitz | balzac? | Feb 14 20:46 |
| schestowitz | What's up? | Feb 14 20:46 |
| schestowitz | ping balzac | Feb 14 20:46 |
| cubezzz | “Behind every great fortune there is a crime.” | Feb 14 20:46 |
| cubezzz | –Honor de Balzac | Feb 14 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Let's ask him | Feb 14 20:46 |
| cubezzz | heh | Feb 14 20:46 |
| pawel_123 | bye everyone :) | Feb 14 20:47 |
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| schestowitz | Dell hell: http://en.community.dell.com/forums/p/19314432/19649799.aspx | Feb 14 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: anyway, depends on lang | Feb 14 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | https://source.sakaiproject.org/contrib//csev/trunk/pyinf/tex/book.pdf "s the copyright holder of Think Python, Allen has given me permission to change the book’s license from the GNU Free Documentation License to the more recent Creative Commons Attribution — Share Alike license.... Using the CC-BY-SA license maintains the book’s strong copyleft tradition while making it even more straightforward for new authors to reuse this | Feb 14 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | material as they see fit. ..." | Feb 14 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | Interesting comments: http://www.the-source.com/2010/02/matt-asay-joins-canonical/ | Feb 14 20:53 |
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| cubezzz | what is win16? | Feb 14 20:53 |
| cubezzz | 16-bit doze I suppose | Feb 14 20:54 |
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| cubezzz | ok, there were 6 yarrow cds and I only have the first 3 | Feb 14 21:03 |
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| DaemonFC | I love Facebook... | Feb 14 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | "Randy Studt Happy VD to you and all you LOVE!" - "Ryan Farmer | Feb 14 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | Happy VD, it hurts when I pee, I'll go to the doctor and get an IV. *grin*" | Feb 14 21:09 |
| cubezzz | so Fedora 12 has a source DVD | Feb 14 21:12 |
| cubezzz | hrmmm, that's going to take a while | Feb 14 21:12 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/02/10/prop-8-defenders-accuse-plaintiffs-of-attacking-orthodox-religious-beliefs/ | Feb 14 21:13 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Prop. 8 Defenders Say Plaintiffs Attacked Orthodox Religious Beliefs - Law Blog - WSJ .::. Size~: 83.08 KB | Feb 14 21:13 |
| schestowitz | I'm tried of this whole "you can't criticise religion" bollox | Feb 14 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | and what's wrong with that? | Feb 14 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | exactly | Feb 14 21:13 |
| schestowitz | It's like me saying, I have my belief that my soap is a dinosaur | Feb 14 21:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Looking forward to Against all Odds.Samoa Joe v AJ Styles will be a classic. Mr Anderson to become no1 contender (IMHO) #tna #wwe #wrestling | Feb 14 21:13 | |
| schestowitz | And though shalt not ridicule me for it, or else I'll sue you | Feb 14 21:14 |
| _Goblin | do unto others as they do unto Gnu. | Feb 14 21:14 |
| cubezzz | you can, no one is stopping you | Feb 14 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Not true... | Feb 14 21:14 |
| *schestowitz searches | Feb 14 21:14 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2009/0327/1224243551692.html | Feb 14 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | Among more such reports | Feb 14 21:15 |
| schestowitz | You should be able to criticise religions like you do with political candidates and football teams | Feb 14 21:15 |
| cubezzz | or Microsoft :) | Feb 14 21:15 |
| schestowitz | There is nothing sacred in this world | Feb 14 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The oppressed majority that somehow wins every time. | Feb 14 21:16 |
| schestowitz | The word "Sacred" is meaningless mumbo-jumbo, a shield | Feb 14 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Feb 14 21:16 |
| MinceR | oh, there is one thing sacred in this world | Feb 14 21:16 |
| MinceR | money. | Feb 14 21:16 |
| cubezzz | well, I could say some of Stallman's utternaces were "Sacred" | Feb 14 21:16 |
| cubezzz | no one would believe me though :) | Feb 14 21:16 |
| cubezzz | you should be allowed to criticize things... | Feb 14 21:17 |
| cubezzz | that is one way things can be improved even | Feb 14 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | Wasn't he the guy that didn't understand what PC LOAD LETTER meant, blamed proprietary software, went off to start GNU, and couldn't write a kernel? | Feb 14 21:18 |
| *DaemonFC ducks | Feb 14 21:18 | |
| schestowitz | http://code.epresence.tv/ | Feb 14 21:19 |
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| schestowitz | "[PJ: Here's a living example of what can happen with the BSD license.]" | Feb 14 21:19 |
| schestowitz | "Source: Legacy U of T source code is available from Subversion Please note that this code is fully retired and not maintained neither by UofT nor by the company. The current ePresence Code is proprietary and there is currently no use of the legacy UofT code. " | Feb 14 21:19 |
| cubezzz | ePresence sounds eBad | Feb 14 21:19 |
| schestowitz | iPad? | Feb 14 21:20 |
| schestowitz | iPay? | Feb 14 21:20 |
| cubezzz | remember star wars... | Feb 14 21:20 |
| schestowitz | iBad? | Feb 14 21:20 |
| cubezzz | "Use the Source Luke" | Feb 14 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | I just can't see how the BSD people are happy that Microsoft and Apple are trucking off significant portions of their OS, re-implementing them, not paying them anything to use it, not giving their changes back, and not even crediting them anywhere | Feb 14 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 14 21:20 |
| schestowitz | "use the sauce, Luke"--Svidish Chef | Feb 14 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | "We're glad to be unpaid Microsoft and Apple employees" | Feb 14 21:20 |
| cubezzz | yeah well... that's why people don't use the BSD license | Feb 14 21:21 |
| schestowitz | with attribution in invisible source code | Feb 14 21:21 |
| schestowitz | People do | Feb 14 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft people | Feb 14 21:21 |
| schestowitz | "Cheap" code | Feb 14 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | hell, Apple takes BSD licensed software and gives *some* back under the Apple Public Source License | Feb 14 21:21 |
| schestowitz | "freebie" | Feb 14 21:21 |
| cubezzz | but remember AT&T wasn't allowed to get into the computer software business... | Feb 14 21:21 |
| cubezzz | which is why BSD even exists at all | Feb 14 21:21 |
| cubezzz | thank you Anti-Trust guys, for getting things right _once_ | Feb 14 21:22 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.ericgoldman.org/cgi-bin/web/mt-t.cgi/1095 | Feb 14 21:23 |
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| schestowitz | ComcastiX? | Feb 14 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Ryan says ******tastic | Feb 14 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Based on BSD, built to monopolise up the stack | Feb 14 21:25 |
| _Goblin | Hi Roy! Hi all! | Feb 14 21:25 |
| _Goblin | back for a bit... | Feb 14 21:25 |
| _Goblin | although don't expect any sense out of me...its PPV night tonight. | Feb 14 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: It is frightening, don't you agree, that you don't even have to TRY to break into someone's Comcast account. It *can* be an innocent mistake. | Feb 14 21:26 |
| _Goblin | I read that article. | Feb 14 21:27 |
| _Goblin | interesting. | Feb 14 21:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/02/apt-hacks/ | Feb 14 21:29 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Report Details Hacks Targeting Google, Others | Threat Level | Wired.com .::. Size~: 96.2 KB | Feb 14 21:29 |
| schestowitz | "[PJ: Why couldn't a law firm stop using Microsoft Office and Adobe Reader and IE? Is that too easy? I mean, use them in house if you want to, but why couldn't a law firm insist that everyone who has Internet access use a GNU/Linux computer for all Internet activity? Wouldn't that help?] -" | Feb 14 21:30 |
| schestowitz | She said GNU/Linux | Feb 14 21:30 |
| schestowitz | That's rare | Feb 14 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Maybe more people will adjust over time.. | Feb 14 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Some are shy to say GNU, like it's a dirty word | Feb 14 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-10451740-261.html | Feb 14 21:35 |
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| DaemonFC | Google throws out blogs on the excuse that they may violate copyrights | Feb 14 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 14 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.infoworld.com/d/adventures-in-it/dell-dropping-its-ubuntu-offerings-243 | Feb 14 21:37 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Dell dropping its Ubuntu offerings? | Adventures in IT - InfoWorld .::. Size~: 71.18 KB | Feb 14 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | Dell hangs up on a customer for asking about Linux | Feb 14 21:37 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: no | Feb 14 21:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/02/dumb-labels-laws-bots-not-google-to-blame-for-music-blog-deletions/?intcid=inform_relatedContent | Feb 14 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzk4MQ \o/ | Feb 14 21:41 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.happyassassin.net/2010/02/12/from-the-freaking-awesome-department-3d-support-on-nouveau/ | Feb 14 21:41 |
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| DaemonFC | The answer is for them to host their music blogs on foreign servers so that the auto-deletion policy of Google and presumably others) can't get them | Feb 14 21:43 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: perhaps you should read up on what software RMS has written so far | Feb 14 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: vi? :D | Feb 14 21:44 |
| MinceR | get a clear picture before spewing m$ cultist nonsense :> | Feb 14 21:44 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: Emacs is one of them | Feb 14 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | meh | Feb 14 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | I mean like, something that I use | Feb 14 21:46 |
| MinceR | most gnu/linux commands? | Feb 14 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | Did RMS write XFree86/X.org? | Feb 14 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | I'd make an off hand guess that GNU actually wrote less than 15% of a typical Linux distribution | Feb 14 21:47 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: the one who wrote nothing is Gates | Feb 14 21:47 |
| schestowitz | He plagiarises | Feb 14 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | less than that if you're using KDE or really do't consider GNOME | Feb 14 21:47 |
| MinceR | instead of making guesses, you might want to check a few manpages | Feb 14 21:47 |
| schestowitz | And his colleague said he wrote cr*p code | Feb 14 21:47 |
| MinceR | man ls, for example | Feb 14 21:47 |
| schestowitz | He was no coder | Feb 14 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Just charlatan with ambition of controlling everything | Feb 14 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Scientists have ambitions of exploration, not just money | Feb 14 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Can anyone tell how many source lines of code are in a Linux distribution like Ubuntu in total vs. how many the FSF wrote? | Feb 14 21:48 |
| schestowitz | As for Jobs, I think WOZ did a lot of the work for him | Feb 14 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | I find the GNU Linux spam preposterous on those grounds alone | Feb 14 21:48 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: if not, are you going to just proclaim that gates wrote more? | Feb 14 21:48 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: in a distribution, OOo is usually the biggest package | Feb 14 21:48 |
| schestowitz | gnu makes up 15% | Feb 14 21:48 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: if you think that calling gnu/linux "gnu/linux", consider android | Feb 14 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Linux something like 3% in Debian IIRC | Feb 14 21:49 |
| MinceR | s/,/ is "spam",/ | Feb 14 21:49 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: pls... don't say stupid things | Feb 14 21:49 |
| schestowitz | It makes this channel look silly :-) | Feb 14 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | still doesn't make sense to call it GNU Linux if the only thing that really defines it is Linux and together, they still only make 18% of the code | Feb 14 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | it would be like calling Windows "Notepad / Windows" | Feb 14 21:49 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: you alreaady question some of the m$ bullshit you've been fed, don't you? perhaps it's time to examine the rest of those claims | Feb 14 21:50 |
| MinceR | Linux is a kernel | Feb 14 21:50 |
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| MinceR | but call it GNU/Linux/X if it makes you feel better | Feb 14 21:50 |
| MinceR | iirc Yggdrasil did that :> | Feb 14 21:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/jump_to_debian Heh. Robert Pogson | Feb 14 21:51 |
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| DaemonFC | No, I call it a X/Linux/GNU/OOo/GNOME/KDE/XFCE/LXDE/Pulseaudio/ALSA/Firefox/Pidgin distribution, with notable others | Feb 14 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't have a friendly name you can say off the tip of your tongue | Feb 14 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | that would be impolite and discount everyone's hard work :) | Feb 14 21:52 |
| schestowitz | I can't find the 2006 article I'm looking for. I give u | Feb 14 21:52 |
| MinceR | well, call it that | Feb 14 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Call it the free desktop | Feb 14 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Covers BSD+KDE too | Feb 14 21:53 |
| MinceR | though my home server doesn't even have X on it | Feb 14 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but then you can't be specific | Feb 14 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | the kernel does make a huge impact on how you interact with the system | Feb 14 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | you have to specify that Linux is there | Feb 14 21:53 |
| schestowitz | bhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&c2coff=1&q=site%3Awww.freesoftwaremagazine.com+debian+percentage+gnu&aq=f&aqi=&oq= | Feb 14 21:53 |
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| MinceR | so does the GNU stuff | Feb 14 21:54 |
| schestowitz | It's hard to find old articles... | Feb 14 21:54 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: good luck without gcc and ls | Feb 14 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather just call it the name of the distribution so that everyone is on the same page and nobody has to argue | Feb 14 21:54 |
| schestowitz | You won't manage to even build Linux to begin with | Feb 14 21:54 |
| MinceR | what if they don't know that distro? | Feb 14 21:55 |
| schestowitz | What's the answer to the question what comiles GCC? | Feb 14 21:55 |
| schestowitz | *compiles | Feb 14 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I imagine you could borrow BSD stuff to fill in the userland on a Linux system | Feb 14 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | right? | Feb 14 21:55 |
| schestowitz | No | Feb 14 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Cause then you're a BSD fan | Feb 14 21:55 |
| MinceR | also, what if you're talking about Debian, whose official name includes "GNU/Linux"? :> | Feb 14 21:55 |
| schestowitz | And Microsoft will rape you with its wife Apple, says the legend | Feb 14 21:55 |
| MinceR | you could borrow bsd stuff, but it's always inferior | Feb 14 21:55 |
| MinceR | and you don't actually do it | Feb 14 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft will rape you ans vanish in the morning | Feb 14 21:56 |
| MinceR | also, they don't have a c compiler, they're using gcc all the same | Feb 14 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Apple will rape you and leave you a $1 note on the counter | Feb 14 21:56 |
| MinceR | i know it's fashionable among m$ drones to just blindly point at bsd | Feb 14 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Sun has those tools too | Feb 14 21:57 |
| schestowitz | They are weird I heard | Feb 14 21:57 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: true | Feb 14 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: It's technically possible to take FreeBSD components to replace GNU components in Linux, right? | Feb 14 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | and legally? | Feb 14 21:57 |
| schestowitz | They want to weaken GPL | Feb 14 21:57 |
| MinceR | it was funny hearing a bsd fanboy troll i know badmouth FSF and GNU, while he's an Emacs user :> | Feb 14 21:57 |
| schestowitz | First stage is to distract from Linux | Feb 14 21:57 |
| schestowitz | SCO lawsuit... | Feb 14 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | my question is, is it technically and legally possible to run BSD userland on top of the Linux kernel? | Feb 14 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Go for it | Feb 14 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Not answering the question | Feb 14 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | no GNU at all | Feb 14 21:58 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: what libc would you use? | Feb 14 21:58 |
| schestowitz | You could also run GNU tools on BSD | Feb 14 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Original q was: | Feb 14 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Is GNU more relevant than Linux | Feb 14 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Well, it seems that if you can run GNU on top of the BSD kernel.... | Feb 14 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Then you bring up bsd userland rather than kernekl | Feb 14 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | you you do the opposite and run BSD stuff on Linux kernel | Feb 14 21:58 |
| MinceR | you can run GNU on top of most unixes, that's how it was used before Linux | Feb 14 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Windows could run stuff too..... found in garbage cans | Feb 14 21:59 |
| schestowitz | MSDOS also | Feb 14 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | is BSD too integrated to break it away from their kernel like that? | Feb 14 21:59 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure what the piece of software that converts standard c calls into kernel API calls is | Feb 14 21:59 |
| MinceR | i suspect it's in glibc | Feb 14 21:59 |
| schestowitz | VB... found decades before.... for Microsoft to claim credit for something it had nicked | Feb 14 21:59 |
| MinceR | well, some bsd utils do run on gnu/linux | Feb 14 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: One argument a FreeBSD user would make is that they have a more integrated system, whereas GNU and Linux are not. But seeing as how GNU has to make sure they work fine with Linux, I suspect this is bullshit. | Feb 14 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | some nebulous "we're better" claim | Feb 14 22:01 |
| MinceR | i wonder why a unix user would wave the "integrated" buzzword around | Feb 14 22:01 |
| MinceR | probably because they don't get it | Feb 14 22:02 |
| MinceR | which is pretty typical of bsd fanboys, actually | Feb 14 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux1.php | Feb 14 22:02 |
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| DaemonFC | there's an older example | Feb 14 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | "BSD is what you get when a bunch of Unix hackers sit down to try to port a Unix system to the PC. Linux is what you get when a bunch of PC hackers sit down and try to write a Unix system for the PC" | Feb 14 22:03 |
| MinceR | typical bsd fanboy bullshit | Feb 14 22:03 |
| MinceR | also, that webserver is unusably slow | Feb 14 22:03 |
| MinceR | perhaps he should learn to maintain a webserver before flaming | Feb 14 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | the sad thing is how dramatic the differences are between BSD system | Feb 14 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | a fork is really a fork, there is little cooperation, and functionality that exists in one might not be there in the others | Feb 14 22:05 |
| MinceR | though i do feel a perverse curiosity as to how exactly RMS is a "PC hacker" | Feb 14 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | he never gets to that point | Feb 14 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Or how Linux runs on a dozen architectures makes it a PC thing | Feb 14 22:06 |
| MinceR | more architectures than any bsd, in fact :> | Feb 14 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Why does FreeBSD's Wikipedia page list PC98 as an arch? | Feb 14 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC98 | Feb 14 22:09 |
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| DaemonFC | "# A guideline of personal computers for Windows established by Microsoft and Intel in 1998 (see PC System Design Guide)" | Feb 14 22:09 |
| MinceR | dunno | Feb 14 22:09 |
| MinceR | perhaps a clueless user edited the page | Feb 14 22:09 |
| MinceR | perhaps they were grasping at straws to list more architectures on a bullet-point list | Feb 14 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | the NEC PC-9800 is an old 5 Mhz x86 based PC | Feb 14 22:10 |
| schestowitz | /s/edited/wordpadded.exe/ | Feb 14 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Or vandalised :-) | Feb 14 22:10 |
| schestowitz | I once had my cousin edit a wiki of mine | Feb 14 22:10 |
| schestowitz | he pasted junk from word in it and broke the wiki | Feb 14 22:11 |
| schestowitz | I never saw that happen before | Feb 14 22:11 |
| schestowitz | I had to restore from backup | Feb 14 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Data loss and all | Feb 14 22:11 |
| schestowitz | "Here's the home page of National Institute on Media and the Family, and the Wikipedia article tells you what's really going on. Minneapolis psychologist Dr. David Walsh, founder of the institute, seems like he's eager to fill Jack Thompson's shoes. You know, because we really, really needed another one of those!" http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=got_some_luddite_mail_today&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 | Feb 14 22:11 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Penguin Pete's Blog .::. Size~: 19.89 KB | Feb 14 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I fixed it and removed that "arch" | Feb 14 22:12 |
| MinceR | "wordpadded" is to editing text as "photoshopped" is to editing images? :> | Feb 14 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | "(PC98 is not an architecture, it is some kind of bogus Microsoft Intel guide defining what they think a PC is. If someone can expand proving that it IS an arch, then please re-add after explaining.)" | Feb 14 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 14 22:12 |
| MinceR | my only contact with PC98 is their standard port colors :> | Feb 14 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, that's the only thing that lasted from that | Feb 14 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | nifty as that is, it probably costs them $100 million to standardize what color my port colors are | Feb 14 22:13 |
| schestowitz | weren't ingrams p ninety something? | Feb 14 22:13 |
| MinceR | P90? | Feb 14 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Probably | Feb 14 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmm | Feb 14 22:14 |
| MinceR | they used those in Stargate SG-1 :> | Feb 14 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Destroying innova~1 | Feb 14 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Pissing bullets on computers | Feb 14 22:14 |
| MinceR | :D | Feb 14 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_System_Design_Guide | Feb 14 22:14 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: PC System Design Guide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 35.24 KB | Feb 14 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | "They were aimed to help manufacturers provide hardware that makes best use of the capabilities of the Microsoft Windows operating system, and to simplify setup and use of such computers." | Feb 14 22:14 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_P90 | Feb 14 22:14 |
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| DaemonFC | bahahahahaha!!! | Feb 14 22:15 |
| MinceR | that's the P90 i know about | Feb 14 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Meh. Penguin Pete.... He is trolling gimp... "Facebook just did the same thing. Are you saying they are being sabotaged by...what...MSN?" http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=ha_ha_i_didn_t_do_any_gimp_tutorials_thi&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 | Feb 14 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | "Personal defense weapon" | Feb 14 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Why are weapons always for "defense"? | Feb 14 22:15 |
| schestowitz | It's all euphemised | Feb 14 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Missile /defense/ system... | Feb 14 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Defences Forces | Feb 14 22:16 |
| MinceR | people don't like being seen as the aggressor | Feb 14 22:16 |
| MinceR | so it's "defense" | Feb 14 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Defendign democracy | Feb 14 22:16 |
| MinceR | "he shot first!" | Feb 14 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Insurgency........ | Feb 14 22:16 |
| MinceR | "it isn't my fault, he looked at me funny!" | Feb 14 22:16 |
| MinceR | or the classic "it's coming right for us!" | Feb 14 22:16 |
| schestowitz | "Irish Defence Forces" | Feb 14 22:17 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: within 40 minutes | Feb 14 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Deployment of biological weapon... "it could come in the form of a mushroom soup" | Feb 14 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Yummy! | Feb 14 22:17 |
| MinceR | i'm partial to mushroom clouds, myself :> | Feb 14 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | We need to make the BIOS Y2K38 compliant | Feb 14 22:17 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: naaa | Feb 14 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Clouds are just hype | Feb 14 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem | Feb 14 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | We've always had clouds | Feb 14 22:18 |
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| MinceR | Mushroom Cloud Computing? | Feb 14 22:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FacYAI6DY0 | Feb 14 22:18 |
| MinceR | maybe that's when you install winblows and IIS on the servers | Feb 14 22:18 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: YouTube- Larry Ellison - What The Hell Is Cloud Computing? .::. Size~: 119.23 KB | Feb 14 22:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techradar.com/news/software/applications/7-of-the-best-anti-virus-apps-for-linux-669087 oh noes. they comes to gets ous | Feb 14 22:19 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: 7 of the best anti-virus apps for Linux | News | TechRadar UK .::. Size~: 61.26 KB | Feb 14 22:19 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: nope | Feb 14 22:20 |
| schestowitz | You need to mix those two with dell | Feb 14 22:20 |
| schestowitz | And Sony batteries | Feb 14 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Then you get clouds in the datacentres | Feb 14 22:20 |
| MinceR | i've heard of a different idea of "Cloud Computing", where all sorts of computers and devices that have computers in them would form a network and automatically share their resources with each other | Feb 14 22:20 |
| MinceR | it sounds a lot more interesting, but i've only heard it from 1 person :) | Feb 14 22:20 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they say cloud computing smells bad | Feb 14 22:20 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: crApple could do those clouds too | Feb 14 22:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Lifehacker readers voted for best netbook OS http://bit.ly/anqZYD Ubuntu dominates (it powers 3 of 5) | Feb 14 22:20 | |
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| schestowitz | It also sticks itself to chips like cigarettes | Feb 14 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Keep cloudy computing outside the DC.... | Feb 14 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | "Using a (signed) 64-bit value introduces a new wraparound date in approximately 292 billion years, on Sunday, December 4, 292,277,026,596 AD." | Feb 14 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Arrays would sound better | Feb 14 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | surely Jesus will rapture us before then :) | Feb 14 22:21 |
| schestowitz | "Cloud" sounds messy | Feb 14 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Imagine a desk analogy called "cloud" | Feb 14 22:21 |
| MinceR | lol @ OS suX being a "netbook operating system" | Feb 14 22:21 |
| schestowitz | "Cloud GTD" | Feb 14 22:21 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Earth has not this lifetime | Feb 14 22:22 |
| schestowitz | And the Sun either | Feb 14 22:22 |
| schestowitz | In fact, Ellison just had a Sun for breakfast | Feb 14 22:22 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 14 22:23 |
| schestowitz | It blew his rectum the following day | Feb 14 22:23 |
| MinceR | Larry "Galactus" Ellison? | Feb 14 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Which is why Jesus has to rapture us before then | Feb 14 22:23 |
| schestowitz | "It's capitalism, I'm competing!!!" --Ellison | Feb 14 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | are you proposing he do it AFTER the sun explodes? | Feb 14 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 14 22:23 |
| schestowitz | I think he said that after ripping off RHAT/RHT | Feb 14 22:23 |
| schestowitz | RHEL | Feb 14 22:23 |
| schestowitz | RHELlison | Feb 14 22:23 |
| oiaohm | http://www.techradar.com/news/software/applications/7-of-the-best-anti-virus-apps-for-linux-669087?artc_pg=8 << last statement. schestowitz clamav is good enough. | Feb 14 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: 44% of USians believe Jesus will come down from the cloud some time in the next 50 yeras | Feb 14 22:24 |
| schestowitz | 22% know this for sure | Feb 14 22:24 |
| schestowitz | I bet their church told them | Feb 14 22:24 |
| schestowitz | The others say it's probably | Feb 14 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | 500 foot Jesus will save us all | Feb 14 22:25 |
| MinceR | any FLOSS anti-virus apps there besides ClamAV? | Feb 14 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | landing on the mountain | Feb 14 22:25 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: Mecha Jesus? | Feb 14 22:25 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, RObertson and the gangsters of his blamed gays for procrastinating Jesus' visit | Feb 14 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: MechaJesus vs. Satanazard! | Feb 14 22:25 |
| MinceR | or perhaps Jesus is an Angel (in the NGE sense)? | Feb 14 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, Jesus who said, "slay them before me" | Feb 14 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | bbl | Feb 14 22:25 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: he comes from the clouds | Feb 14 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Not stars | Feb 14 22:26 |
| MinceR | :D | Feb 14 22:26 |
| schestowitz | They don't exist as objects in the bible | Feb 14 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Just lamps | Feb 14 22:26 |
| schestowitz | To guide God's vision at night | Feb 14 22:26 |
| schestowitz | There's up and down | Feb 14 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Not tangents | Feb 14 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Down=well, whatever... Satan | Feb 14 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | What viruses exactly are on Linux that they are citing as their reason for being? :) | Feb 14 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Many in the US do believe that Satan exists | Feb 14 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Real people adults | Feb 14 22:27 |
| schestowitz | The people you may even elect for congress | Feb 14 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | or are these still for Windows files on a file server? | Feb 14 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Their view of the world has some man in Red (not Ellison) down there in some lairs | Feb 14 22:27 |
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| MinceR | probably to scan email for clients sentenced to use winblows | Feb 14 22:27 |
| MinceR | and the like | Feb 14 22:28 |
| schestowitz | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Red-Hat-Enterprise-Linux-5-5-Beta-Supports-New-Intel-Platforms-134631.shtml | Feb 14 22:28 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5.5 Beta Supports New Intel Platforms - Also supports new AMD and IBM processors - Softpedia .::. Size~: 48.41 KB | Feb 14 22:28 |
| schestowitz | This headline sounds perverse to me: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/11/redhat_cloud_forum_projects/ | Feb 14 22:28 |
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| MinceR | well, Sidious II said that while Heaven is a metaphor, Hell truly exists | Feb 14 22:28 |
| oiaohm | There was http://www.openantivirus.org but its been neglected since 2004 MinceR | Feb 14 22:28 |
| MinceR | ic | Feb 14 22:28 |
| MinceR | (also known as Darth Ratzinger) | Feb 14 22:28 |
| oiaohm | Mind you openantivirus and clamav would have been a good combination. openantivirus is java and can run from web browser | Feb 14 22:29 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Google Buzz's open approach leads to stalking threat | Technology | guardian.co.uk http://tinyurl.com/yz5dsvp | Feb 14 22:31 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.clamav.net/about/roadmap/ MinceR problem is clamav signature system is really hard to compete againt. And is going to get harder. | Feb 14 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | 32% are still getting infected | Feb 14 22:48 |
| schestowitz | And /are/ still infected | Feb 14 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Says a new 'study' | Feb 14 22:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] What I've done this evening: http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Cryonics Prompted by @ciphergoth. Have at it. | Feb 14 22:48 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/forum/S-KDE-screen-lock-also-flawed/forum-114352/msg-14370668/read/ | Feb 14 22:52 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: KDE screen lock also flawed | GNOME screen lock ineffective in openSUS... | Open Source News Forums .::. Size~: 15.92 KB | Feb 14 22:52 |
| MinceR | what sort of shell is supposed to be "easily reachable" via ctrl+alt+backspace? | Feb 14 22:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] keep getting into email debates with smug know-it-all boomer-types. sigh. | Feb 14 22:56 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Creative Commons devalues photography. Open source devalues programming. Love devalues prostitution. | Feb 14 22:59 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] http://twitpic.com/139v4r - Chocolate monster!! | Feb 14 23:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Easiest way to tell I'm not a 'boomer: I belong to one of the first generations for whom university degrees were not affordable | Feb 14 23:07 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Ahhh I must have forgotten to un-follow @ariannahuff ... goodbye, you unhelpful #Microsoft + Gates family sycophant | Feb 14 23:10 | |
| schestowitz | http://mashable.com/2010/02/13/google-buzz-ssb/ | Feb 14 23:21 |
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| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/02/facing-chinese-pressure-white-house-refuses-cancel-dalai-lama-meeting/ | Feb 14 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&q=mysql+database+suddently+shrinks&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Feb 14 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | tessier__: are you around? | Feb 14 23:31 |
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| cubezzz | "Valentine's day is just another merchant feeding frenzy and the poor deluded, star-crossed punters lay out big Dineros for roses with a life span of a few days, mega-cards that will add to the land fill pollution and heart-shaped boxes of chocolate sweets that will allow many dentists to swap their old banger for a 2010 Merc." | Feb 14 23:38 |
| cubezzz | lol | Feb 14 23:38 |
| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2008/10/dodgy-digits-behind-the-war-on-piracy.ars/ | Feb 14 23:40 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: so like mini-xmas | Feb 14 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Consumption of "Stuff" (not just physical) | Feb 14 23:41 |
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| schestowitz | This is interesting: http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/58530 | Feb 14 23:59 |
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