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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Ultra vivid scene. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/28687.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/542666.html | Feb 17 00:04 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Adobe refreshed the Flash plugin for AMD64... still doesn't do H264 hw decoding, still doesn't fix Hulu, still crashes http://ur1.ca/mj4m | Feb 17 00:07 | |
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| MinceR | and let me guess, still doesn't use any sane way to render video either :> | Feb 17 00:08 |
| MinceR | or any way to draw anything that doesn't take ages on a supercomputer | Feb 17 00:08 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Obama finally tells #Republicans to stfu and build the Nuclear reactors already http://ur1.ca/mj52 | Feb 17 00:12 | |
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| schestowitz | Would you recognise this as Zinn? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzRnxhjgVvE | Feb 17 00:15 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, tessier | Feb 17 00:15 |
| tessier | Hi | Feb 17 00:16 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Feb 17 00:16 |
| tessier | Did those dbs get uploaded? | Feb 17 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 17 00:16 |
| schestowitz | ~/wordpressdatabase-04022010.dump | Feb 17 00:16 |
| schestowitz | ~/wordpressdatabase-11022010.dump | Feb 17 00:16 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: I did see the Guardian piece | Feb 17 00:17 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Atlanta Progressive News fires reporter for trying to be objective http://ur1.ca/mj5s #douchebags | Feb 17 00:27 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.itnews.com.au/News/167356,telstra-to-launch-an-android-phone.aspx | Feb 17 00:32 |
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| tessier | schestowitz: wp_redirection_logs appears to have become smaller | Feb 17 00:34 |
| tessier | Still checking to see if anything else did... | Feb 17 00:34 |
| tessier | schestowitz: Yep. That plus 5 new blog posts are the only difference I see....let me see how many lines that is and what it was in that table... | Feb 17 00:36 |
| schestowitz | tessier: oh, I see... ... logs | Feb 17 00:46 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I empties some log stuff | Feb 17 00:46 |
| schestowitz | *tied | Feb 17 00:46 |
| tessier | That explains it then. :) | Feb 17 00:46 |
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| schestowitz | It was only about 200k entries all in all.. | Feb 17 00:46 |
| schestowitz | tessier: thanks so much for checking | Feb 17 00:47 |
| schestowitz | I'm just terrified of silent data loss | Feb 17 00:47 |
| tessier | 200k entries times maybe 1k per entry adds up... | Feb 17 00:47 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 17 00:47 |
| schestowitz | I was trying to think if I had changed something | Feb 17 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Spent hours asking people and looking at file, etc. | Feb 17 00:48 |
| schestowitz | I guess it's better to check excessively than to lose data... and this is the first time ever that I see the DB shrinking overnight, which triggered some worry | Feb 17 00:48 |
| schestowitz | If that's all the difference in the DB, then that's very very relieving news | Feb 17 00:49 |
| tessier | That is all. Everything else is identical except for 5 added blog entries. | Feb 17 00:55 |
| schestowitz | :-D | Feb 17 00:56 |
| schestowitz | I made more news blogs posts than that, but none which are missing during those days | Feb 17 00:56 |
| schestowitz | So it's probably just the redirection log | Feb 17 00:56 |
| schestowitz | I had to empty them when the wiki had issues | Feb 17 00:56 |
| schestowitz | The log is only for redirections from root to the wiki | Feb 17 00:57 |
| schestowitz | Thanks so much for looking into this!! | Feb 17 00:57 |
| tessier | Actually, I was just counting lines. So 5 lines were added. They may have consisted of multiple blog posts each. Parsing an sql dump is a bit tricky. | Feb 17 00:57 |
| schestowitz | I know it takes time. | Feb 17 00:57 |
| tessier | You are very welcome. | Feb 17 00:57 |
| schestowitz | I tried to do it myself | Feb 17 00:58 |
| schestowitz | Asking people in IRC channels and installing mysql tools | Feb 17 00:58 |
| schestowitz | WHich I found hard to pick from scratch | Feb 17 00:58 |
| tessier | I did: grep -n "CREATE TABLE" wordpressdatabase-11022010.dump > /tmp/11022010.dump | Feb 17 00:58 |
| tessier | Then did that for the other file. | Feb 17 00:58 |
| tessier | Then brought up two emacs buffers side by side and compared line numbers. | Feb 17 00:58 |
| tessier | To get an idea of how many lines each table was and look for changes. | Feb 17 00:58 |
| schestowitz | That's pretty sophisticated | Feb 17 00:59 |
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| schestowitz | I had in mind php/mysqladmin | Feb 17 00:59 |
| schestowitz | That's what I would use on a cpanel-enabled host | Feb 17 00:59 |
| shreddar | Hey guys. | Feb 17 00:59 |
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| schestowitz | load the dbs, then look at the schemes and data it accomodates | Feb 17 00:59 |
| schestowitz | *schemas | Feb 17 00:59 |
| shreddar | Hey I'm reading "Where does mozilla go when the monopoly switch is dead" it's pretty interesting. | Feb 17 01:04 |
| tessier | monopoly switch? | Feb 17 01:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | google? | Feb 17 01:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | that one? | Feb 17 01:05 |
| schestowitz | http://thinkmoult.com/2010/02/15/big-brother-google-hello-goodbye/ | Feb 17 01:05 |
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| schestowitz | I love the image | Feb 17 01:05 |
| shreddar | One of their michelle backer seems to have a interest in dirupting the web browser market. | Feb 17 01:06 |
| schestowitz | It's new,too | Feb 17 01:06 |
| shreddar | dirrupting = disrupting | Feb 17 01:06 |
| schestowitz | shreddar: Disrupt it with ogg? | Feb 17 01:06 |
| shreddar | I'm still reading it. | Feb 17 01:06 |
| shreddar | I hope she's more abishious than that though. | Feb 17 01:07 |
| schestowitz | I love what Mozilla did. I can already use <Video> with oggs knowing that half of BN's visitors would view it without trouble | Feb 17 01:07 |
| shreddar | "And although it seems reasonable to speculate that there may come a time when someone other than Microsoft might become the biggest threat to openness, she's not pointing any fingers." | Feb 17 01:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reasons to Embrace #GNU #Linux at OS X's and Windows' Expense http://ur1.ca/mj8i http://ur1.ca/mj8j | Feb 17 01:08 | |
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| shreddar | hmmmmmmm. I wonder who she could be talking about? | Feb 17 01:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Desktop #GNU #Linux is Breaking Into the Market in 2009 http://ur1.ca/mj8o http://ur1.ca/mj8p | Feb 17 01:09 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Articles Relating #GNU #Linux to Valentine's Day http://ur1.ca/mj8q http://ur1.ca/mj8r | Feb 17 01:10 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KernelFoundation (LF) Gets Involved with #MeeGo http://ur1.ca/mecf http://ur1.ca/midm http://ur1.ca/mj8w | Feb 17 01:12 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Radeon Improvements Come to #Linux #Graphics Stack http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzk4NA #kernel | Feb 17 01:13 | |
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| Ender2070_ | nouveau has 3d support now | Feb 17 01:14 |
| Ender2070_ | gallium3d | Feb 17 01:14 |
| Ender2070_ | oh yeah, if Matt Asay is from Alfresco isn't it possible it might pull Canonical closer to Redhat and away from Novell? | Feb 17 01:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Themes Debate Over #Ubuntu or #GNOME Heating Up http://ur1.ca/mj93 http://ur1.ca/mj94 http://ur1.ca/mj95 | Feb 17 01:15 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #PlayOnLinux 3.7.3 is Released for #GNU #Linux Gamers http://ur1.ca/mj98 #wine | Feb 17 01:16 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of K Desktop Environment ( #KDE SC) 4.4 http://ur1.ca/mgmz #plasma | Feb 17 01:18 | |
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| Ender2070_ | mandriva 2010 = funny | Feb 17 01:19 |
| shreddar | Lately I've been thinking Mozilla relies too much on money from companies in order to operate. | Feb 17 01:19 |
| Ender2070_ | i installed their kde 4.4 repo in 2010 and my menu still claimed it was "4.3" | Feb 17 01:19 |
| Ender2070_ | due to the theme not being updated | Feb 17 01:19 |
| Ender2070_ | Mozilla is apty named after a giant monster | Feb 17 01:20 |
| Ender2070_ | I compiled firefox years ago on my gentoo box and it took a few hours, single core 32-bit machine | Feb 17 01:20 |
| Ender2070_ | now | Feb 17 01:21 |
| Ender2070_ | 4 cores @ 3.0ghz, 4gb ram, even with multi threaded compiling takes an hour or two | Feb 17 01:21 |
| shreddar | I guess Mozilla is in spirit Netscape on more than a few levels. | Feb 17 01:23 |
| Ender2070_ | yeah | Feb 17 01:24 |
| Ender2070_ | a lot of other browsers don't take that long | Feb 17 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070_: he's not entirely fond of Novell's direction | Feb 17 01:25 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't like their MS deal | Feb 17 01:25 |
| schestowitz | I mailed him a lot about it over the yars | Feb 17 01:25 |
| Ender2070_ | Redhat and Alfresco ran a store together | Feb 17 01:25 |
| schestowitz | Perhaps | Feb 17 01:25 |
| schestowitz | They mostly deplyed on RHEL | Feb 17 01:25 |
| schestowitz | HE mocked SLES | Feb 17 01:25 |
| schestowitz | Saying it was not benefiting from the deal | Feb 17 01:26 |
| Ender2070_ | yeah | Feb 17 01:26 |
| schestowitz | He showed graphs of choice of Alfresco clients around 2007 | Feb 17 01:26 |
| Ender2070_ | im crossing my fingers hoping he undoes the novell damage to ubuntu | Feb 17 01:26 |
| schestowitz | You can look it up, maybe in InfoWorld when he wrote there | Feb 17 01:26 |
| schestowitz | He also blasted de Icaza | Feb 17 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Then de Icaza mailed him | Feb 17 01:26 |
| Ender2070_ | very nice | Feb 17 01:26 |
| schestowitz | And he sort of issued an apology | Feb 17 01:26 |
| Ender2070_ | I like him already | Feb 17 01:26 |
| schestowitz | He criticised the whole mono thing | Feb 17 01:27 |
| schestowitz | Saying something like, "I recall Miguel in Ximian telling us about GNOME... and now he's doing MS stuff" | Feb 17 01:27 |
| Ender2070_ | LOL | Feb 17 01:27 |
| schestowitz | I've read him since 2006 | Feb 17 01:27 |
| Ender2070_ | yeah | Feb 17 01:27 |
| schestowitz | So I know almost every post from Asay | Feb 17 01:28 |
| Ender2070_ | now icaza's an MS MVP | Feb 17 01:28 |
| schestowitz | I was promoting his idas back in the days | Feb 17 01:28 |
| schestowitz | Before he was rabid Apple fan | Feb 17 01:28 |
| Ender2070_ | ahhh | Feb 17 01:28 |
| Ender2070_ | lol | Feb 17 01:28 |
| schestowitz | He has always been a talented thinker/writer | Feb 17 01:28 |
| schestowitz | I'll give him that | Feb 17 01:28 |
| schestowitz | But he doesn't know jack about s/w | Feb 17 01:28 |
| schestowitz | He's a lawyer skilled with commu' | Feb 17 01:28 |
| Ender2070_ | I can't fault him on apple, at least they aren't ms | Feb 17 01:29 |
| schestowitz | When he pretends to understand technicalstuff like OOP he's bluffing | Feb 17 01:29 |
| schestowitz | Like me pretending to understand law | Feb 17 01:29 |
| schestowitz | I mailed PJ some stuff earlier | Feb 17 01:29 |
| Ender2070_ | if I had a gun pointed to my head and I had to install a proprietary os from apple or ms, i'd pick apple | Feb 17 01:29 |
| schestowitz | We need someone with subsc' to a site | Feb 17 01:29 |
| schestowitz | PACER doesn't have it yet | Feb 17 01:30 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070_: you can't install it, though | Feb 17 01:30 |
| Aondo | Ender2070_ some would die with honor tho :D | Feb 17 01:30 |
| schestowitz | You need to buy Jobs-blessed PC | Feb 17 01:30 |
| schestowitz | And pay twice its real worth | Feb 17 01:30 |
| Ender2070_ | my hypothetical example didnt require purchasing anything | Feb 17 01:30 |
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| Ender2070_ | including os | Feb 17 01:31 |
| Ender2070_ | <Aondo> Ender2070_ some would die with honor tho :D | Feb 17 01:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ArchLinux Kicks Arse, Another List of Top Operating Systems http://ur1.ca/mj9z http://ur1.ca/mja0 | Feb 17 01:31 | |
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| Ender2070_ | lol, not if I picked gnu/darwin | Feb 17 01:32 |
| shreddar | What if there was chance that Apples wouldn't install? | Feb 17 01:32 |
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| schestowitz | Today we got some new translations... | Feb 17 01:32 |
| schestowitz | E.g. http://boycottnovell.com/faq/faq-fr/ | Feb 17 01:32 |
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| schestowitz | I'm getting mail from people who add language support | Feb 17 01:32 |
| schestowitz | it helps our credibility as intl' information resort | Feb 17 01:33 |
| shreddar | Hey have you guy heard all the talk about Windows *Phone* 7? | Feb 17 01:34 |
| shreddar | Every article I read is saying it's a successful rebranding and a significant turning point for MS. | Feb 17 01:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Glimpse at 'Floppy' Distro and Restricted Distro http://ur1.ca/mja5 http://ur1.ca/mja6 | Feb 17 01:34 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Prepares Awards, #Fedora Has Many Re-Spins http://ur1.ca/mja7 http://ur1.ca/mja8 | Feb 17 01:35 | |
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| shreddar | Also, I think they are saying it's an attractive option. | Feb 17 01:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian Adds #DNSSEC , #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Has Hidden Features http://lwn.net/Articles/374473/ http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7704/1.html | Feb 17 01:36 | |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: got an email from computer history museum, which included this ridiculous sentence: "Grace Hopper is arguably as important a figure to computing as Bill Gates, Larry Ellison and Steve Jobs, ..." -- revealing the attitudes of the museum and who gets their name in lights in the Valley | Feb 17 01:37 |
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| cubezzz | hmmm | Feb 17 01:37 |
| cubezzz | first compiler? | Feb 17 01:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: of course, the last 3 are irrelevant to computing | Feb 17 01:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | *technology* | Feb 17 01:37 |
| cubezzz | ah :) | Feb 17 01:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | computing business, sure | Feb 17 01:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | i would say the museum is buttering up potential sponsors/donors | Feb 17 01:38 |
| cubezzz | Bill Gates was more like the Borg, it fits | Feb 17 01:38 |
| cubezzz | yes | Feb 17 01:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | certainly has has only taken away from the industry | Feb 17 01:38 |
| cubezzz | quite likely | Feb 17 01:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | and is technologically irrelevant | Feb 17 01:38 |
| cubezzz | yes, hence the icon on slashdot, people know | Feb 17 01:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux -powered #Pogoplug in Review http://www.daniweb.com/reviews/review260663.html | Feb 17 01:38 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | well, that borg thing is a joke | Feb 17 01:39 |
| cubezzz | is it? :) | Feb 17 01:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Feb 17 01:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | the antitrust and other adverse rulings are no joke. | Feb 17 01:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | i'd prefer if people remembered the distinction | Feb 17 01:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux All Over the Place in #MWC2010 (Android) http://ur1.ca/mjan http://ur1.ca/mjao http://ur1.ca/mjap | Feb 17 01:39 | |
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| cubezzz | yes well that is the fault of the DOJ | Feb 17 01:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | there's not much place for humour in microsoft's *actual* effectas | Feb 17 01:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | effects* | Feb 17 01:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | and activities | Feb 17 01:40 |
| cubezzz | they have to take the blame, they didn't function as a proper watch-dog | Feb 17 01:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | Gates hacked the law. | Feb 17 01:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | he's bigger | Feb 17 01:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | they can't touch him | Feb 17 01:40 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | Feb 17 01:40 |
| cubezzz | they broke up Standard Oil and AT&T | Feb 17 01:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | different era | Feb 17 01:41 |
| cubezzz | what is the diffierence now? | Feb 17 01:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | Gates found the exploit. | Feb 17 01:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BugLabs Embracing #Google 's Implementation of #Linux http://ur1.ca/mjas http://ur1.ca/mjat http://ur1.ca/mjau | Feb 17 01:41 | |
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| cubezzz | Rockefeller had more money than Gates, relative to his time | Feb 17 01:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | sure, maybe he was above the law as well. | Feb 17 01:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | i believe this was Gates' dream. | Feb 17 01:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | to be unbeatable | Feb 17 01:42 |
| shreddar | AT&T who recentally pulled a T2 ressuresstion on us. | Feb 17 01:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | psychologically it fits | Feb 17 01:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux / #Android is Reaching Larger Devices Like Sub-notebooks http://ur1.ca/mjb2 http://ur1.ca/mjb3 | Feb 17 01:42 | |
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| cubezzz | resurrection | Feb 17 01:43 |
| cubezzz | yes | Feb 17 01:43 |
| cubezzz | the baby bells are under going re-amalgamation | Feb 17 01:44 |
| cubezzz | business tends to always move towards monopoly | Feb 17 01:44 |
| cubezzz | but there seems to be more competition now | Feb 17 01:45 |
| schestowitz | shreddar: I see a lot of bad coverage about the phone | Feb 17 01:45 |
| schestowitz | Zune++ | Feb 17 01:45 |
| cubezzz | it's probably crap :) | Feb 17 01:46 |
| cubezzz | let's face it, most microsoft products are crap | Feb 17 01:46 |
| cubezzz | just not good enough now | Feb 17 01:46 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: I'm writing about it tomorrow | Feb 17 01:46 |
| schestowitz | It flopped already | Feb 17 01:46 |
| schestowitz | The expo was all Linux | Feb 17 01:47 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft dropped a bomb | Feb 17 01:47 |
| schestowitz | Literally, almost] | Feb 17 01:47 |
| cubezzz | what do kids like? Kids like blackberry and iphone | Feb 17 01:47 |
| schestowitz | It bombed | Feb 17 01:47 |
| schestowitz | Maybe | Feb 17 01:47 |
| shreddar | That's true. Pluse I never heard any facts about it merrits. | Feb 17 01:47 |
| cubezzz | eh? What expo? | Feb 17 01:47 |
| schestowitz | Either way, the whole 'business customer' pitch of Microsoft is dying | Feb 17 01:47 |
| schestowitz | People edit stuff online | Feb 17 01:47 |
| schestowitz | Phone are too weak for feature-heavy office suites anyway | Feb 17 01:47 |
| shreddar | It was all like it's sooo diffrent now. | Feb 17 01:48 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: you should listen to that show I showed you | Feb 17 01:48 |
| cubezzz | they _force_ people to use Microsoft products, if they have a choice, they usually don't choose Microsoft :) | Feb 17 01:48 |
| schestowitz | I sent them E-mail and scusbribes | Feb 17 01:48 |
| schestowitz | They also made fun of Glenn Bekkk | Feb 17 01:48 |
| cubezzz | "WOuld you like a free OS or pay $50 more?" "Hrmmm, I'll go with free I think" | Feb 17 01:49 |
| cubezzz | simple | Feb 17 01:49 |
| cubezzz | people do like to save money, especially now | Feb 17 01:49 |
| shreddar | BTW Engadget was on of the site I read about it on. | Feb 17 01:50 |
| cubezzz | ok, my new router had the word Linux on the box :) | Feb 17 01:51 |
| cubezzz | just thought I'd mention that | Feb 17 01:51 |
| schestowitz | Windows Mobile is not about royalties | Feb 17 01:52 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft wants to use it to make monoculture | Feb 17 01:52 |
| schestowitz | Start menu, MS protocols, patents, etc. | Feb 17 01:52 |
| schestowitz | It has been a losing business for many years to MSFT shareholders | Feb 17 01:52 |
| cubezzz | monoculture is dead | Feb 17 01:53 |
| cubezzz | if you can import, if you can buy online, you can avoid monoculture | Feb 17 01:53 |
| shreddar | Yeah that's because in oder for monoculture to work MS would have be good at making competitive software. | Feb 17 01:53 |
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| cubezzz | it's getting easier (i.e. the situation is improving) | Feb 17 01:53 |
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| cubezzz | well dlink is using Linux, Sony, Sharp... | Feb 17 01:54 |
| cubezzz | I'm sure there's tons of others | Feb 17 01:54 |
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| shreddar | If they were capable of making software for phone that cell companies and end users wanted more than competitors they could have monoculture. | Feb 17 01:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OLPC Gets Boost from #Telstra http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/36880-big-corporates-add-muscle-to-one-laptop-per-child | Feb 17 01:56 | |
| Ender2070_ | dlink used to hate linux | Feb 17 01:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Saves Public Money, Popular in #India http://ur1.ca/mjcg http://ur1.ca/mjci | Feb 17 01:58 | |
| shreddar | If they only thought of the iPhone first they'd be set. | Feb 17 01:59 |
| shreddar | Of course it couldn't be compatible with their Desktop OS. | Feb 17 02:00 |
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| phIRCe-BNc | Of course it couldn't be compatible with their Desktop OS. | Feb 17 02:01 |
| shreddar | They have to have made brand new APIs. | Feb 17 02:01 |
| shreddar | Using Open Source software. | Feb 17 02:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @schuyler: http://twitpic.com/13on7p - The sun never sets on the United Nations | Feb 17 02:01 | |
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| shreddar | Or putting a larg percent of their money into R&D. | Feb 17 02:02 |
| shreddar | Like atleast 20% | Feb 17 02:02 |
| shreddar | Keep in mind I'm talking all of their spendable money. | Feb 17 02:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Helps #VoIP http://www.telappliant.com/voip-news/19614799/open-source-will-spur-voip-development/ | Feb 17 02:03 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | yes MONO-* is all Microsoft is interested in. MONOpoly. MONOculture. | Feb 17 02:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | lock-in is their only idea | Feb 17 02:05 |
| shreddar | Also, they'd probably have to out source development. | Feb 17 02:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | if they can't have that, well, they'll stack the deck, and buy reps, buy panels, and buy authorities till they get it back. | Feb 17 02:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | this is called "innovation," apparently. | Feb 17 02:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | "healthy competition" | Feb 17 02:06 |
| schestowitz | FriedmaN!! | Feb 17 02:06 |
| shreddar | No buy "healthy competition" thet mean horning in on another companies monopoly. | Feb 17 02:06 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Feb 17 02:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's astonishing that people wilfully refuse to admit the obvious immediate effects of monopoly: prices go up; quality goes down. | Feb 17 02:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | they get a free pass | Feb 17 02:07 |
| cubezzz | yes | Feb 17 02:07 |
| cubezzz | it's bad | Feb 17 02:07 |
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| FurnaceBoy | it's bad. but it will improve over time... | Feb 17 02:07 |
| cubezzz | no competition | Feb 17 02:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | i feel we are something close to the worst of it, now. | Feb 17 02:07 |
| cubezzz | the worst to me still is the OEMs | Feb 17 02:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes!!!! | Feb 17 02:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | i totally agree. | Feb 17 02:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's the power-plant | Feb 17 02:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | and completely wrong | Feb 17 02:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | that arrangement has to be taken out .. like those torpedos into the Death Star | Feb 17 02:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | THEN we'll see some action | Feb 17 02:08 |
| shreddar | Creative Destruction seems to actually be happing now. | Feb 17 02:08 |
| shreddar | But at what cost? | Feb 17 02:08 |
| shreddar | We had 20 years of a invation strangling monopoly. | Feb 17 02:09 |
| shreddar | invation = inovation | Feb 17 02:09 |
| shreddar | inovation = innovation | Feb 17 02:09 |
| cubezzz | we even have a CPU duopoly of a sort | Feb 17 02:09 |
| shreddar | Spellcheck ain't working. | Feb 17 02:10 |
| cubezzz | use ispell :) | Feb 17 02:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: more than 20 years. | Feb 17 02:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: ~30 | Feb 17 02:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: and the agenda existed in Gates even before he started MS. | Feb 17 02:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | this was his game all along. | Feb 17 02:10 |
| cubezzz | yes | Feb 17 02:11 |
| shreddar | Really? Because it send like dumb luck to me. | Feb 17 02:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | the company is his DNA. | Feb 17 02:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: hell no | Feb 17 02:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: luck helped | Feb 17 02:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: but the company is an expression of his psychology | Feb 17 02:11 |
| shreddar | Come IBM asking MS for CP/M? | Feb 17 02:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: ppl seem to underestimate this | Feb 17 02:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: opportunism | Feb 17 02:12 |
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| cubezzz | Kildall kind of messed things up | Feb 17 02:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: some luck, combined with a razor sharp flair for extortion, threats, and so on | Feb 17 02:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: he'd have tried the same thing whatever industry | Feb 17 02:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: all the tactics are Gates' | Feb 17 02:13 |
| cubezzz | his lawyer Dad must have helped too | Feb 17 02:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: still is | Feb 17 02:13 |
| cubezzz | the banking connections | Feb 17 02:13 |
| cubezzz | IBM blew it | Feb 17 02:13 |
| cubezzz | big time | Feb 17 02:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: as schestowitz is fond of reminding us, Gates Sr has been mopping up the rear forever | Feb 17 02:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: sure, he was in the right place at the right time, with the right connections, but the methods and result are his | Feb 17 02:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: he pushed pushed pushed all the time to eliminate competition | Feb 17 02:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: that's his signature | Feb 17 02:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: can't deal with it; doesn't want it | Feb 17 02:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: megalomania | Feb 17 02:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | megalomania - [noun] ("meh gE lo 'me ni E) 1. a mental disorder characterized by delusions of power, wealth, or │ | Feb 17 02:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | importance. 2. a self-interested tendency to do grand things. | Feb 17 02:15 |
| cubezzz | The first programming language and first compiler specifically for microprocessors? Kildall | Feb 17 02:15 |
| *FurnaceBoy started out on MP/M, more or less | Feb 17 02:15 | |
| cubezzz | The first microprocessor disk operating system? Kildall again! | Feb 17 02:15 |
| cubezzz | who became an alcoholic? Kildall | Feb 17 02:16 |
| cubezzz | sad | Feb 17 02:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: he's a sociopath, pure and simple. | Feb 17 02:17 |
| cubezzz | yes Gates is a narcissist | Feb 17 02:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | whether people are ready to accept that or not, it's what he is. | Feb 17 02:18 |
| cubezzz | sociopath, sure | Feb 17 02:18 |
| shreddar | Yeah but I doubt he planed on I | Feb 17 02:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: sure he did | Feb 17 02:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: he's an opportunist, he seized the luck he had, and created a criminal empire. | Feb 17 02:18 |
| shreddar | I dbout he planned IBM and DRI dropping the ball several hundred times. Not to mention Apple. | Feb 17 02:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: take away the luck, or take away the criminal mind, and you don't have the mess we are in. | Feb 17 02:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: takes both elements | Feb 17 02:18 |
| cubezzz | aside from WIndows, Linux and Mac, what would be the next biggest OS? | Feb 17 02:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: of course there are criminals like him who aren't so lucky :) | Feb 17 02:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: he just had both. means, opportunity, and motive | Feb 17 02:19 |
| cubezzz | and luck | Feb 17 02:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. = opportunity | Feb 17 02:19 |
| cubezzz | DRI was attacked by Microsoft though | Feb 17 02:20 |
| cubezzz | that didn't help | Feb 17 02:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | of course. their strategies have been there since day 1. that's my point. | Feb 17 02:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | they haven't deviated from monomaniacal focus on eliminating competition | Feb 17 02:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | not competing. simply not having the inconvenience of competing. | Feb 17 02:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | they still don't know how to follow standards; they are used to being a de facto standard. | Feb 17 02:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | IE. | Feb 17 02:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | a few smart open source guys can hit 100% compliance. | Feb 17 02:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | MS? no way. not with 40K engineers. | Feb 17 02:21 |
| schestowitz | “I think he [Bill Gates] has a Napoleonic concept of himself and his company, an arrogance that derives from power and unalloyed success, with no leavening hard experience, no reverses [...] They don’t act like grown-ups!” -Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson | Feb 17 02:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | precisely | Feb 17 02:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | he's bigger than Napoleon | Feb 17 02:22 |
| shreddar | Well to be fair neither can Mozilla so far. | Feb 17 02:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | i won't live to see him exiled as he deserves | Feb 17 02:22 |
| cubezzz | Jackson was reversed :-/ | Feb 17 02:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: not even comparable | Feb 17 02:22 |
| schestowitz | Dubya | Feb 17 02:22 |
| cubezzz | but he can't beat Linux | Feb 17 02:22 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft paid his ilk | Feb 17 02:22 |
| shreddar | I think MS just doesn't wan't obey standards. | Feb 17 02:22 |
| cubezzz | can't drive Linux out of business | Feb 17 02:22 |
| schestowitz | Bribery and corruption as usual | Feb 17 02:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: MS doesn't even have the *aspiration* of compliance; it contradicts their model. | Feb 17 02:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: right | Feb 17 02:23 |
| schestowitz | dat's how thangs go down in WA.. :-) | Feb 17 02:23 |
| shreddar | They are dragging their feet as long as they can. | Feb 17 02:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: there's no will, because it weakens lock-in to follow standards. | Feb 17 02:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: yes | Feb 17 02:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | you only need to follow standards if you are a minority player. | Feb 17 02:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | cuz if you don't -- you die. | Feb 17 02:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's the funny thing. if they slowly lose market share, they'll hit a tipping point where the water is cold enough | Feb 17 02:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | THEN we see action. | Feb 17 02:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | THEN we see a race. | Feb 17 02:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | THEN they either sink or compete. | Feb 17 02:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | it will be a novelty | Feb 17 02:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | I don't believe they will survive that tipping point, because their DNA is Gates' | Feb 17 02:25 |
| cubezzz | even programming for doze sucks though | Feb 17 02:25 |
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| FurnaceBoy | and Gates never competed in his life. | Feb 17 02:26 |
| shreddar | If Mozilla passed they probably would have to pass. I think that's what happend with Acid2 and maybe Acid1. | Feb 17 02:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, they have both the aspiration and ability to pass. | Feb 17 02:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | MS has neither, apparently. | Feb 17 02:26 |
| cubezzz | old but... | Feb 17 02:27 |
| cubezzz | http://bmighty.informationweek.com/hardware_software/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=204803419 | Feb 17 02:27 |
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| FurnaceBoy | Mozilla intends to grow share. it's their #1 thing. | Feb 17 02:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | therefore standards are not an optional feature :) | Feb 17 02:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's also the ideal differentiator from IE. | Feb 17 02:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | the developer backlash against IE Is growing, as it costs billions to support | Feb 17 02:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | when that memo hits home, in these recession times, it is going to bite MS | Feb 17 02:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | who are not prepared | Feb 17 02:28 |
| shreddar | Lets not put all of this on MS. Our market is set up for monopolies and inforced by our government through trademarks, copyrights, patent, trade secrets etc. | Feb 17 02:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | sure. | Feb 17 02:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | doesn't mean they are not a toxic monopoly. | Feb 17 02:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | they have to go. and the rest, too, sure. | Feb 17 02:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | they're not off topic here. | Feb 17 02:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | we could discuss Monsanto | Feb 17 02:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | what a disgusting creation | Feb 17 02:29 |
| cubezzz | Firefox is on everything... Solaris, BSD, Mac OS X | Feb 17 02:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware from #Database Giant #Oracle , Commitment to #Lustre http://ur1.ca/mjeh http://ur1.ca/mjei | Feb 17 02:30 | |
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| cubezzz | they should do very well | Feb 17 02:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: again, portability is contradictory to MS model. so they don't do it. | Feb 17 02:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: yes | Feb 17 02:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free #CMS Software Relies on #GPL , More Coming http://ur1.ca/mjek http://ur1.ca/mjel | Feb 17 02:31 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | yay | Feb 17 02:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: esta ai ... ping | Feb 17 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | This Firefox personas thing is crap | Feb 17 02:46 |
| DaemonFC | none of them scale to look like the preview image | Feb 17 02:46 |
| shreddar | I think personas are basically skins. | Feb 17 02:46 |
| DaemonFC | they look like stretched JPEG, not SVG or something | Feb 17 02:47 |
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| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: I guess to sum it up, I reject the notion that MS is a 'largely accidental' monopoly. it was what he wanted all along | Feb 17 02:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: this comes out very clearly reading his actual testimony | Feb 17 02:48 |
| shreddar | Oh yeah it no accident on MS's part. | Feb 17 02:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: it's very illuminating, more ppl should read the primary sources i think | Feb 17 02:49 |
| shreddar | It's just that they didn't plan the whole thing. Alot of it was luck. | Feb 17 02:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | eh, well. | Feb 17 02:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes, he did plan to eliminate competition | Feb 17 02:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | means, opportunity, and motive -- is all there | Feb 17 02:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | remember he's had about 40 years to do it. | Feb 17 02:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | he's even getting old. outracing accountability. | Feb 17 02:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | like I say, you can learn a lot about the man from what he has said in court | Feb 17 02:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | or in memos | Feb 17 02:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | i.e., his actual words. that's what I prefer to base my assessments on. | Feb 17 02:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | the more of that becomes public, the better we see his character | Feb 17 02:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | hence the desperation to try and keep everything as covered up as possible | Feb 17 02:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | scrutiny is very threatening to these people | Feb 17 02:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | -> the incessant attacks on Groklaw, which is essentially an archive | Feb 17 02:54 |
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| cubezzz | are they still doing that as much though? | Feb 17 02:55 |
| cubezzz | It seems they are .... mellowing? | Feb 17 02:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | they would like to see it gone | Feb 17 02:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | some things never change. why do people think the game has changed? | Feb 17 02:55 |
| cubezzz | is Microsoft mellowing? :) | Feb 17 02:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | no. | Feb 17 02:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's not even possible | Feb 17 02:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | though, they profit from that misdirected perception, as far as it takes hold | Feb 17 02:56 |
| cubezzz | I don't trust them any more than I did before, that's for sure | Feb 17 02:57 |
| schestowitz | see OOXML corruption | Feb 17 02:57 |
| schestowitz | Mellow schmellow | Feb 17 02:57 |
| cubezzz | a lot of the old hawks have left though | Feb 17 02:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: DNA is the same | Feb 17 02:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: as we have seen their entire history, they exploit any rope they get | Feb 17 02:58 |
| schestowitz | OOXML only expanded their catalog of inertnational crime | Feb 17 02:58 |
| schestowitz | For that I am thankful | Feb 17 02:58 |
| schestowitz | They left themselves vulnerable this way | Feb 17 02:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yeah it exposed some bad behaviour. we can hope the empire over-stretches itself... | Feb 17 02:59 |
| Ender2070_ | people are so apathetic they don't even care | Feb 17 02:59 |
| schestowitz | DNA, FurnaceBoy? | Feb 17 02:59 |
| schestowitz | They control that too | Feb 17 02:59 |
| Ender2070_ | if ms releases one thing they like, they ignore the rest | Feb 17 02:59 |
| schestowitz | They move to OD cards now | Feb 17 02:59 |
| schestowitz | They hijacked India | Feb 17 02:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ender2070_: well yes they care more when the money dries up | Feb 17 02:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ender2070_: MS == Waste | Feb 17 02:59 |
| Ender2070_ | I got my friends voltage meter :) | Feb 17 02:59 |
| schestowitz | IDs in India to be managd by Gates and his cronies at NASSCOM | Feb 17 02:59 |
| Ender2070_ | im going to compare how green windows is compared to linux distros | Feb 17 02:59 |
| cubezzz | I'ts not green at all | Feb 17 03:00 |
| cubezzz | is it? | Feb 17 03:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: DNA ... the fundamental organism, its id | Feb 17 03:00 |
| cubezzz | it costs $$$, it uses more CPU... | Feb 17 03:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: to mix metaphors... | Feb 17 03:00 |
| Ender2070_ | i'll also include how much extra money I have to pay on my power bill due to ms | Feb 17 03:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's wasteful and there's no motive to improve it | Feb 17 03:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Cases of #Censorship and a Struggle Against it http://ur1.ca/mjg3 http://ur1.ca/mjg4 http://ur1.ca/mjg5 | Feb 17 03:00 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | they profit from hardware turnover | Feb 17 03:01 |
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| FurnaceBoy | which is why "Windows rot" will never be fixed either | Feb 17 03:01 |
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| cubezzz | Windows doesn't just rot, it _is_ rot :) | Feb 17 03:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Internet Turf War Waged by Corporations That Hare to Compete http://ur1.ca/mjg7 http://ur1.ca/m632 | Feb 17 03:02 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | it's like standards compliance -- linux has the means and aspiration, ms does not.... | Feb 17 03:02 |
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| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: :) | Feb 17 03:02 |
| shreddar | I didn't know there was a term for that. | Feb 17 03:03 |
| cubezzz | I expect my zaurus install to last for decades, but we'll see | Feb 17 03:03 |
| cubezzz | so far 9 years :) | Feb 17 03:03 |
| cubezzz | windows installs that have lasted 9 years = zero | Feb 17 03:04 |
| cubezzz | as a programmer, I like the GNU/Linux environment much more than doze | Feb 17 03:05 |
| cubezzz | there's so many reasons not to use Windows I'm a bit surprised it's still so dominant | Feb 17 03:05 |
| cubezzz | this proves people can be easily led | Feb 17 03:06 |
| shreddar | Well you have to see that Windows is more than a OS it's also legacy support. | Feb 17 03:08 |
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| DaemonFC | Just as well NASA is being killed off by Obama | Feb 17 03:10 |
| shreddar | Windows is the PC/Desktop are far as it's job is concerned. | Feb 17 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | I'd hate for them to have to explain that the astronauts were on their way to Mars when the Windows system controlling life support and temperature controls blue screened | Feb 17 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | and we get to debate on whether they froze or suffocated first | Feb 17 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, bizarre, they're talking about a church in a salt mine in Poland that was made out of salt | Feb 17 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | They must have looked back on the city states that had the gay | Feb 17 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 17 03:13 |
| shreddar | The job of the Desktop/PC is to provide businesses with services that would be expensive otherwise. Document/Movie/Music/Photo Editing would be expensive without it. | Feb 17 03:14 |
| shreddar | Right now it does those things best with Windows because of industry standards. | Feb 17 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | Meh, Windows was one of the reasons I was going to mention as to why the PC isn't up to standards for business | Feb 17 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | the bad hardware quality is the other one | Feb 17 03:16 |
| shreddar | I wasn't so long ago I remember printers would only except MS Word files. | Feb 17 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | I just can't believe Dell ever managed to sell "business" systems | Feb 17 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | Do those fail as much as their consumer PCs? | Feb 17 03:17 |
| shreddar | Most graphic design companies want empolyees trained on Photoshop. | Feb 17 03:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Thanks kenny! expect invitations on inbox shortly . RT @kenneyjacob: @anivar Heard that you are getting married. Congratulations. | Feb 17 03:20 | |
| shreddar | Most most Music Engineers probably need to know Cubase. | Feb 17 03:20 |
| shreddar | And for the most part all of those things need Windows because Windows is a all around business standard. | Feb 17 03:21 |
| shreddar | As far as average joes are concerned computers are either for the internet or just not for them. | Feb 17 03:22 |
| shreddar | Right now the PC is the best at the internet. Because it started out that mostly businesses and colledges used it. | Feb 17 03:23 |
| shreddar | That's changing now that devices are getting more powerful. | Feb 17 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | shreddar, yeah, but Linux is getting more use in these areas | Feb 17 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | 10 years ago, photo, video, and audio editing on Linux was a joke | Feb 17 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | now they make movies like Avatar on it | Feb 17 03:24 |
| shreddar | I didn't know that. | Feb 17 03:25 |
| shreddar | Avatar really? | Feb 17 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | granted that is a proprietary and expensive software stack running on Linux | Feb 17 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | you'll never get a copy of it | Feb 17 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | but yes, really | Feb 17 03:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar | Right now it does those things best with Windows because of industry standards. | Feb 17 03:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | hm, not quite... | Feb 17 03:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | the beneficiary is Microsoft. efficiency or cost-effectiveness is an illusion. | Feb 17 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | http://techie-buzz.com/linux-news/avatar-linux.html | Feb 17 03:26 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Avatar born on Linux .::. Size~: 55.81 KB | Feb 17 03:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | and standards? they have defined themselves as a standard for reasons of profit. they don't like or follow external standards. | Feb 17 03:26 |
| shreddar | I meant as far as compatibiliy. | Feb 17 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | proprietary software running on RHEL | Feb 17 03:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | "de facto standard" is a euphemism | Feb 17 03:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: yes. Avatar was rendered on Linux. Lord of the Rings. Every major CGI movie. | Feb 17 03:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | !google avatar weta | Feb 17 03:27 |
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| FurnaceBoy | ack, how does the bot work? | Feb 17 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | People think "Mac" when they think "Hollywood" because some douchebag director is running around with one for his personal laptop :) | Feb 17 03:27 |
| shreddar | Lord of the Rings wow. | Feb 17 03:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: nobody takes MS seriously for jobs of that scale. | Feb 17 03:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: WETA digital | Feb 17 03:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: one of the largest renderfarms in the world. | Feb 17 03:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: also, Pixar uses LInux, Dreamworks also | Feb 17 03:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: MS has no credibility in real production | Feb 17 03:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | too expensive, too inflexible, too inefficient | Feb 17 03:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | these places build all their own tools | Feb 17 03:29 |
| shreddar | Well thats not the case for Documents, Music and Photo editing. | Feb 17 03:29 |
| shreddar | So far | Feb 17 03:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, there's a lot of the world use Windows for that. | Feb 17 03:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | and a lot don't. | Feb 17 03:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | I never did. | Feb 17 03:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | at one point, Windows had no presence in graphic arts and media. | Feb 17 03:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | none | Feb 17 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | Well, also, why would they take chances on some employee inadvertantly installing malware when they plug in a thumb drive from home? | Feb 17 03:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | all the major products were Mac first, or Mac only. | Feb 17 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | That stuff happens. | Feb 17 03:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | Photoshop hit Windows at version 3.0. Illustrator at 4.0. XPress at 3.3 | Feb 17 03:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | a decade after the Mac debuts | Feb 17 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, Wine doesn't run Photoshop CS4 | Feb 17 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 17 03:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: OS X does. | Feb 17 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | you can install it, but it won't run | Feb 17 03:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | and, absent the monopoly, Linux would too. | Feb 17 03:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | kill the monopoly, a lot of things start changin' :) | Feb 17 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, Adobe won't port it to Linux, that's the only reason why | Feb 17 03:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: Duh. | Feb 17 03:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: not yet. | Feb 17 03:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: but they will | Feb 17 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | it would be trivial to port it from OS X | Feb 17 03:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: spoken like a non-coder | Feb 17 03:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's not a trivial port. | Feb 17 03:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | but it is possible. | Feb 17 03:32 |
| shreddar | Windows still does those things cheaper than OSX and it's the standard in most companies. | Feb 17 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | Adobe is not porting it because they're being paid by Apple not to | Feb 17 03:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: lulz | Feb 17 03:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's actually an expensive port, because the OS X API does not exist on linux at all. | Feb 17 03:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: Carbon/Cocoa | Feb 17 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | it's obvious to see why Apple is terrified that a free OS that runs on any computer would get one of the hottest programs on OS X | Feb 17 03:32 |
| shreddar | Now linux is gradually making headway in those areas. | Feb 17 03:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: Adobe will port when MS share drops a little further, and GIMP gets a little better. | Feb 17 03:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's inevitable. | Feb 17 03:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you only have to wait | Feb 17 03:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: yes | Feb 17 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is throwing GIMP in the trash, and Ubuntu is estimated to be at least 40% of desktop Linux users | Feb 17 03:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: google for "weta avatar linux", the articles make good reading | Feb 17 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | that's disturbing | Feb 17 03:33 |
| shreddar | but it not there yet and windows it. hense why it's still here. | Feb 17 03:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: and OS X, of course. very productive and professional system | Feb 17 03:34 |
| shreddar | Windows is the cheaper option though. (linux could be the cheapest if they supported it) | Feb 17 03:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | they will :) | Feb 17 03:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | mark my words .. :D | Feb 17 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, I take it that 90% or more of Mesa is done by VMWare? | Feb 17 03:39 |
| cubezzz | you can buy support though | Feb 17 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | they're hauling ass too from the looks of it | Feb 17 03:41 |
| *DaemonFC thinks that Madworld is going to be on the list of games in this month's budget | Feb 17 03:42 | |
| DaemonFC | I almost never buy the latest video games, I wait 6-8 months and snag them for $10-$20 | Feb 17 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | I asked the guy at McVan's one day how long the turnaround was for used games, and he told me you get kids in there buying them for $60 and they're back within a month selling them back for $10 of store credit so he can put a 40 price tag on it | Feb 17 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | *$40 | Feb 17 03:44 |
| shreddar | When I said support I meant from Adobe, Stienburg and Microsoft (for MS Office). | Feb 17 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | so a store will make $100 or more off the same copy of one game | Feb 17 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | sell it, kid gets through all 12 hours of gameplay, trades it in, sell it for $40, kid beats it, trades it in, sell it again for $20 | Feb 17 03:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: yes they do that here | Feb 17 03:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | pretty funny b/c at the same time, the corps are probably trying to squash secondary markets like ebay ;-) | Feb 17 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | it's an insult, what they buy back the game for. Hasn't anyone ever heard of ebay? | Feb 17 03:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | as Adobe does | Feb 17 03:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: they're probably lobbying to have ebay outlawed. | Feb 17 03:47 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, sell it on ebay yourself and get $30, not $10 store credit | Feb 17 03:47 |
| DaemonFC | most likely :) | Feb 17 03:47 |
| DaemonFC | if you won't take store credit, they'll offer you like $2 | Feb 17 03:47 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Feb 17 03:47 |
| DaemonFC | go buy yourself a candy bar | Feb 17 03:48 |
| Ender2070_ | ms would love to own the market and introduce drm into their games so you need to activate them and never be able to sell them off | Feb 17 03:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Feb 17 03:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | almost there | Feb 17 03:49 |
| cubezzz | hmm? | Feb 17 03:49 |
| Ender2070_ | windows and office do it | Feb 17 03:49 |
| Ender2070_ | once they have a gaming console monopoly, mark my words | Feb 17 03:49 |
| cubezzz | even lgp drms games now | Feb 17 03:50 |
| cubezzz | unfortunate, but true | Feb 17 03:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: right | Feb 17 03:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: Rockstar | Feb 17 03:50 |
| cubezzz | the prob is piracy on games is very very high | Feb 17 03:50 |
| Ender2070_ | MS will say that it will cut piracy and reduce prices on games, but xbox720 games will cost probably even more | Feb 17 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, There's a commercial for a fake pad of grass you can buy for your dog to take a leak/dump on, and they illustrated with one of those "How many times has THIS happened?, the dog took a shit on the couch and it was all liquefied and reddish. I was like "What in the FUCK did you feed that thing? Hormel canned tamales coated in Tabasco?" :D | Feb 17 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 17 03:51 |
| Ender2070_ | or whatever they call the next xbox | Feb 17 03:51 |
| cubezzz | gross | Feb 17 03:51 |
| Ender2070_ | DaemonFC - never seen infomercials ? | Feb 17 03:52 |
| cubezzz | this is why I pick gerbils for pet :) | Feb 17 03:52 |
| cubezzz | smaller poops | Feb 17 03:52 |
| Ender2070_ | they always show some retard trying to put together a food processor or some shit, only to show you their even more complex unit | Feb 17 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070_, Yeah, but that one caught me while I had a mint in my mouth and I about choked on it from laughing | Feb 17 03:52 |
| Ender2070_ | too bad :( | Feb 17 03:52 |
| *DaemonFC calls the lawyer to see if he can sue | Feb 17 03:52 | |
| Ender2070_ | of course you can sue | Feb 17 03:53 |
| Ender2070_ | 1) America - Check | Feb 17 03:53 |
| Ender2070_ | 2) Access to a lawyer - Check | Feb 17 03:53 |
| Ender2070_ | 3) Lawsuit = Bingo | Feb 17 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | 3) frivolous, check | Feb 17 03:53 |
| Ender2070_ | LOL | Feb 17 03:53 |
| cubezzz | that doesn't stop them though | Feb 17 03:53 |
| cubezzz | what is SCO going these days? :) | Feb 17 03:54 |
| cubezzz | it's been too quiet | Feb 17 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, "I'm melting, MEEEEEEELTIIIIINNG!!!! I own UNIX!!!! AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!" | Feb 17 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | imagine the scene from Wizard of Oz | Feb 17 03:55 |
| cubezzz | once the money runs out, the lawyers will bale | Feb 17 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Of course. Whoever runs out of money first loses their case. How else would lawsuits be settled? :) | Feb 17 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | Why else could RIAA do so many SLAPPs? | Feb 17 03:56 |
| cubezzz | in the US | Feb 17 03:57 |
| cubezzz | beyond that... no worries | Feb 17 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, maybe | Feb 17 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | They can pay judges in foreign countries to legislate from the bench | Feb 17 03:57 |
| cubezzz | anyways, I paid for music I want | Feb 17 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | The Pirate Bay anyone? | Feb 17 03:57 |
| cubezzz | see above | Feb 17 03:57 |
| cubezzz | I even paid for harpiscord music :) | Feb 17 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't paid the RIAA any money since 1998 | Feb 17 03:58 |
| cubezzz | use music cards... no credit card needed | Feb 17 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | and I don't plan to start anytime soon either | Feb 17 03:58 |
| cubezzz | so you never pay for music? | Feb 17 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | RIAA and Greedtallica guaranteed them I will never pay them again | Feb 17 03:59 |
| cubezzz | there's lots of other music makers who aren't Metallica | Feb 17 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | I won't pay them again until they (1) Really do stop filing SLAPPs against people. (2) Quit trying to use DRM and (3) Apologize publicly | Feb 17 04:00 |
| cubezzz | what about dead composers? :) | Feb 17 04:00 |
| cubezzz | you see, you can just always make excuses | Feb 17 04:01 |
| DaemonFC | What about them? That's the music that shouldn't ever be paid for under any circumstances | Feb 17 04:01 |
| cubezzz | but as I said, I paid for music want. Simple | Feb 17 04:01 |
| DaemonFC | I don't believe in paying money when none of it every reaches the people doing the work | Feb 17 04:01 |
| cubezzz | yeah, I'm just trying to find out if you _ever_ pay for music | Feb 17 04:01 |
| DaemonFC | *ever | Feb 17 04:01 |
| DaemonFC | I don't believe in paying "the estate" royalties for a work | Feb 17 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | ever | Feb 17 04:02 |
| shreddar | I kinda like Greedtallica. Musically. Not personally of course. | Feb 17 04:02 |
| cubezzz | meh | Feb 17 04:02 |
| cubezzz | well, one thing is inescapeable, you pay for internet :) | Feb 17 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | shreddar, Lars Ulrich is an idiot, every time he speaks he proves there's nothing going on up there. He even admitted getting on Limewire and downloading MP3s of a leaked album of theirs that THEY couldn't get from the record company. | Feb 17 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | It's OK when it's Lars Ulrich doing it | Feb 17 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | even though it's just as illegal | Feb 17 04:03 |
| shreddar | I said musically. | Feb 17 04:04 |
| cubezzz | he's not an idiot, just inconsiderate | Feb 17 04:04 |
| cubezzz | and greedy | Feb 17 04:04 |
| cubezzz | music tracks are 99 cents, it's not too much to ask | Feb 17 04:05 |
| cubezzz | if it has DRM then it's not difficult to remove the DRM | Feb 17 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | well, he's a hypocrite for doing it, he's an idiot for publicly admitting he did it, and he's a greedy piece of shit for helping get the DMCA passed and helping the RIAA sue people | Feb 17 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 17 04:05 |
| cubezzz | again, there are plenty of other music producers... | Feb 17 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, The problem was that under US law in 1998, Napster was not doing ANYTHING illegal, nor were its users. | Feb 17 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | the Audio Home Recording Act stipulates that a person can make copies of their music to share with friends, legally | Feb 17 04:06 |
| cubezzz | it was too new | Feb 17 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, So if I give you a copy of my music and declare that you are "my friend", that law says I can do that | Feb 17 04:07 |
| shreddar | I believe Artist deserve money they work for but not automatically from every single copy or derivative someone make of their work. | Feb 17 04:07 |
| cubezzz | ok, aside from all that, as purely a convienence issue, I will pay 99 cents for tracks I want | Feb 17 04:07 |
| cubezzz | shreddar, I once bought 3 times one episode of Star Trek :) | Feb 17 04:08 |
| cubezzz | VHS, DVD and an air check recording | Feb 17 04:08 |
| cubezzz | want can I say, I wanted all 3 | Feb 17 04:09 |
| cubezzz | what | Feb 17 04:09 |
| cubezzz | of course now I wouldn't pay for VHS unless it was _only_ on VHS | Feb 17 04:10 |
| shreddar | Hey you pay for a VHS adn DVD and a "air check recording" that had Star Trek on them. | Feb 17 04:10 |
| cubezzz | the air check was from NBC 16 mm recording, I was a fan so I bought it | Feb 17 04:11 |
| cubezzz | probably not even legal | Feb 17 04:11 |
| cubezzz | one collector to another | Feb 17 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Keep funding them so they can keep lobbying your government to be more corrupt and biased towards them | Feb 17 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | sooner or later that "Canadian super DMCA" will pass | Feb 17 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | I don't doubt that | Feb 17 04:12 |
| cubezzz | I guess I could torrent the other episodes I have on VHS without any problems | Feb 17 04:12 |
| cubezzz | I doubt such a law would ever pass | Feb 17 04:13 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Hannibal is at the gates, let's give him money so he can buy better siege machines!!! | Feb 17 04:13 |
| DaemonFC | *grin* | Feb 17 04:13 |
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| cubezzz | ok, another example... | Feb 17 04:14 |
| cubezzz | I had an old old VHS of a Laurel and Hardy film, quality was bad | Feb 17 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | Hannibal ad portas :) | Feb 17 04:14 |
| cubezzz | then a new digitially restored DVD comes out... you would never consider buying the new DVD? | Feb 17 04:14 |
| cubezzz | see, it just sounds like you _always_ pirate | Feb 17 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Sometimes I rent them out of the redbox and slice out all the "bonus crap" and commercials and mackeralvision and CSS | Feb 17 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | dump it as an ISO | Feb 17 04:16 |
| cubezzz | you never consider buying media? | Feb 17 04:16 |
| shreddar | Nothing wrong with being a fan and showing it buy buying memorbilia, merchandise or several formats of the same episode. | Feb 17 04:16 |
| shreddar | Ok maybe there is but it's not inethical. | Feb 17 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, I also sneak into movies sometimes | Feb 17 04:16 |
| cubezzz | the air check was quite interesting shreddar | Feb 17 04:16 |
| cubezzz | it included the commercials of the first star trek broadcast | Feb 17 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | usually sneak in after the first batch of showings is out, then catch one of the 2nd, then sneak into one of the 3rd, then one of the late shows | Feb 17 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | see everything playing at the theater that I was interested in without paying them | Feb 17 04:17 |
| cubezzz | not often you get to see 60's commercials :) | Feb 17 04:17 |
| shreddar | I wonder what you though of that reboot they just came out with. | Feb 17 04:17 |
| cubezzz | ahhhh | Feb 17 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, I'd be lying if I said that some of that wasn't about the money | Feb 17 04:18 |
| cubezzz | mixed feelings for sure there | Feb 17 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | but it's more disgusting to see who it goes to | Feb 17 04:18 |
| cubezzz | they turned Star Trek into mostly an active movie... | Feb 17 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Yeah, I have that | Feb 17 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | it's good :) | Feb 17 04:18 |
| cubezzz | a torrent of course... | Feb 17 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, No | Feb 17 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | cloned the DVD | Feb 17 04:19 |
| cubezzz | bah :) | Feb 17 04:19 |
| shreddar | I take it you thought is was a good movie but it just wasn't Star Trek. | Feb 17 04:19 |
| cubezzz | shreddar, basically yeah | Feb 17 04:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Greatest program ever written! 1K #chess on #sinclair #zx81 http://programming-musings.org/2010/01/08/the-greatest-program-ever-written/ | Feb 17 04:20 | |
| cubezzz | ok there is also 1k chess for Kim-1 :) | Feb 17 04:20 |
| cubezzz | I like the original Star Trek | Feb 17 04:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] (That made me think of Jack Black) | Feb 17 04:21 | |
| cubezzz | the new movie was interesting though | Feb 17 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Here's how it went..... Me: "Give me a firing solution on that DRM....bring up the phasers and photon torpedoes....On my mark, give them everything you've got.....FIRE!!!!" | Feb 17 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | and then of course the DRM's shields fell and I destroyed it, yada yada, great success! B-) | Feb 17 04:21 |
| cubezzz | I still picture Pike as Jeffery Hunter | Feb 17 04:22 |
| cubezzz | I was excited about the 1st Star Trek movie back in the late 70's | Feb 17 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, The Next Generation movies were not only boring, they were getting old | Feb 17 04:23 |
| cubezzz | I was excited about Next Generation, after that it just wasn't that exciting | Feb 17 04:23 |
| cubezzz | yeah | Feb 17 04:23 |
| cubezzz | especially the final one | Feb 17 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | they felt like extended episodes of the series | Feb 17 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 17 04:24 |
| cubezzz | the original cast was the best cast | Feb 17 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | with better SFX | Feb 17 04:24 |
| cubezzz | that's just it though | Feb 17 04:24 |
| cubezzz | I like the original Star Trek, and it had the worst FX | Feb 17 04:24 |
| cubezzz | it had better writing | Feb 17 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | nah, the TNG movies | Feb 17 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | oh well, they could have brought back Wil Wheaton :P | Feb 17 04:26 |
| cubezzz | I don't think he was in any of the movies? | Feb 17 04:26 |
| Ender2070_ | I liked the TOS movies | Feb 17 04:26 |
| Ender2070_ | #4 is my all time favorite | Feb 17 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | the one where they went back for the whales? | Feb 17 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 17 04:27 |
| Ender2070_ | It's the 80's, and Chekov asks a cop "Where are your nuclear wessels" | Feb 17 04:27 |
| cubezzz | it was a bit goofy though | Feb 17 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070_, Yeah, that part was funny | Feb 17 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | here in the middle of the cold war, and in a thick Russian accent.... | Feb 17 04:28 |
| cubezzz | going to contemporary earth = saving $$$ | Feb 17 04:28 |
| cubezzz | fake Russian accent | Feb 17 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070_, You'll have to forgive my friend, he's taken too much LDS | Feb 17 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 17 04:29 |
| Ender2070_ | LOL | Feb 17 04:29 |
| Ender2070_ | and a double dumbass on you! | Feb 17 04:29 |
| cubezzz | people always remember the stupid parts :) | Feb 17 04:29 |
| cubezzz | don't forget the punk rocker on the bus who gets the nerve pinch :) | Feb 17 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | then they siphon the power from the reactor of the USS Enterprise | Feb 17 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | I appreciated that part | Feb 17 04:30 |
| shreddar | Hello computer? | Feb 17 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | heh, shreddar...He was like 14 years before Vista or else he may have gotten a real surprise | Feb 17 04:31 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 17 04:31 |
| cubezzz | then Scotty bangs out the formula for transparent aluminium on software he's never seen before :) | Feb 17 04:32 |
| DaemonFC | we're still interacting with our computers the old fashioned way because voice recognition really doesn't work too well | Feb 17 04:32 |
| shreddar | Speak for yourself. | Feb 17 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like to see them install Vista voice recognition to replace the main computer aboard the Enterprise | Feb 17 04:33 |
| shreddar | Computer! Computer! | Feb 17 04:33 |
| cubezzz | hahaha | Feb 17 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | that would be a hoot | Feb 17 04:33 |
| cubezzz | surrrre :) | Feb 17 04:33 |
| cubezzz | Computer, remove the viruses from yourself = BSOD | Feb 17 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | five minutes later they're at full impulse, spinning 360 degrees, all weapons firing, because the captain asked it what time it was | Feb 17 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 17 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | "Welcome to the Enterprise, for GODS SAKE, don't ask it where the restroom is!!! We already lost three crewmembers the last time that happened!" | Feb 17 04:35 |
| cubezzz | we better not be using doze in the 23rd century | Feb 17 04:35 |
| shreddar | Dam't Computer don't type that! Noooooo! | Feb 17 04:36 |
| cubezzz | I'd like to see doze gone by 2015 | Feb 17 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8518670.stm | Feb 17 04:37 |
| cubezzz | Star Trek never shows the restroom :) | Feb 17 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | W00t!!!! | Feb 17 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | Die hippie anti-nuclear bastards!!! | Feb 17 04:37 |
| cubezzz | at least I never saw one | Feb 17 04:38 |
| shreddar | Windows will be around for the same reason Amiga is | Feb 17 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | You know France has a lot of nuclear power plants and they just dump the waste into the ocean | Feb 17 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | why doesn't anyone bitch at France? | Feb 17 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | "No!!! You can't seal it up and put it in a specially designed storage facility in an abandoned Utah salt mine!!!!!" (What happened here) | Feb 17 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | Oh, France can just go dump it out at sea | Feb 17 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | the Russians can just scuttle old nuclear submarines | Feb 17 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | they had one sink at port | Feb 17 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | I was watching the History Channel one day talking about our salt mine proposal, and it said we needed to put things up to scare the shit out of non-English speakers because that waste has a half-life of 10,000 years | Feb 17 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | and I quipped "And this will all be part of Mexico" | Feb 17 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | and then the narrator continues that one solution might be to put scary statues out in front so that it would scare people away | Feb 17 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | and I was thinking "So future archaeologists can assume we were all just a bunch of crazy delusional idol worshippers who prayed to a scary pantheon of gods......close enough" | Feb 17 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | but how does that get the message across that there's toxic radioactive sludge down there that can kill you? | Feb 17 04:44 |
| Ender2070_ | schestowitz - look up "in-groups" and "out-groups" in regards to neurolinguistics | Feb 17 04:44 |
| Ender2070_ | example: | Feb 17 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | why can't we just put up pictograms of people dying? | Feb 17 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | dying horribly | Feb 17 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | that would turn me away even if I didn't understand English | Feb 17 04:45 |
| Ender2070_ | "For now, we can note that categorization is one of the strategies we reach for. If I define a person as a member of a group, my knowledge of that group will colour my responses to the person" | Feb 17 04:45 |
| Ender2070_ | then you think, who runs a BoycottBoys list | Feb 17 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | I think we should run across the border and dump it in Mexico | Feb 17 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | just like, turn the border into a giant field of deadly nuclear shit | Feb 17 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | that'd stop them | Feb 17 04:47 |
| Ender2070_ | People also tend to group based on similar interests and beliefs so that will reinforce this categorization and bias towards those people | Feb 17 04:47 |
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| Ender2070_ | someone might also mention factual secret plans that get leaked or whatever | Feb 17 04:48 |
| Ender2070_ | immediately they are a "conspiracy theorist", and it paints them | Feb 17 04:48 |
| Ender2070_ | then people might think they believe in chem trails, reptilians, alien-human hybrid nonsense and more | Feb 17 04:49 |
| Ender2070_ | meanwhile in history there have been some perfectly valid conspiracy theories that turned out to be true | Feb 17 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070_, Religion contributes to the security of the state for that reason | Feb 17 04:50 |
| Ender2070_ | oh hell yes | Feb 17 04:50 |
| Ender2070_ | religion invented brainwashing | Feb 17 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | cause once you take that away, what else does a society have in common? | Feb 17 04:50 |
| Ender2070_ | before or after everyone has their survival and self reliance skills removed? | Feb 17 04:52 |
| shreddar | It's more accurate to say man invented brainwashing. | Feb 17 04:53 |
| Ender2070_ | well | Feb 17 04:53 |
| Ender2070_ | man invented religion, so man invented both | Feb 17 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | well, China suppresses religion heavily, but they still have the guns | Feb 17 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | that's how they keep control :) | Feb 17 04:54 |
| Ender2070_ | China uses a vast variety of brainwashing techniques | Feb 17 04:54 |
| Ender2070_ | and they don't call it that | Feb 17 04:54 |
| Ender2070_ | they call it "re-education" | Feb 17 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, rolling in the army and machine gunning the protesters probably works well enough | Feb 17 04:55 |
| Ender2070_ | they were brainwashing christian priests | Feb 17 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070_, Like German "Positive Christianity"? | Feb 17 04:56 |
| Ender2070_ | Father Luca | Feb 17 04:56 |
| Ender2070_ | Father Simon | Feb 17 04:56 |
| Ender2070_ | Robert Lifton's Eight Totalist Themes | Feb 17 04:57 |
| Ender2070_ | 1) Milieu control - Control of an individual's communications with the external world, hence of his or her perceptions of reality | Feb 17 04:57 |
| Ender2070_ | 2) Mystical manipulation - Evoking certain patterns of behavior and emotion in such a way that they seem to be spontaneous | Feb 17 04:58 |
| Ender2070_ | 3) The demand for purity - The belief that elements outside the chosen group should be eliminated to prevent them contaminating the minds of group members | Feb 17 04:58 |
| Ender2070_ | 4) The cult of confession - The use of and insistence on confession to minimize individual privacy | Feb 17 04:59 |
| Ender2070_ | 5) Sacred Science - Viewing the ideology's basic dogmas as both morally unchallengeable and scientifically exact, thus increasing their apparent authority | Feb 17 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070_, #4 sounds like the Catholics to me | Feb 17 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | well, more than that, but that especially | Feb 17 05:00 |
| Ender2070_ | 6) Loading the language - Compressing complex ideas into brief, definitive-sounding phrases, "thought terminating cliches" | Feb 17 05:00 |
| Ender2070_ | 7) The primacy of doctrine over the person - The idea that a dogma is more true and more real than anything experienced by an individual human being | Feb 17 05:01 |
| Ender2070_ | 8) The dispensing of existence - The right to control the quality of life and eventual fate of both group members and non-members | Feb 17 05:01 |
| Ender2070_ | sounds like most religions | Feb 17 05:01 |
| Ender2070_ | even some governments | Feb 17 05:01 |
| Ender2070_ | 5 is used by climate hoaxers, use a nobel cause to enforce your brainwashing | Feb 17 05:02 |
| Ender2070_ | everyone knows we have impact on the planet, so they use it to exaggerate fear and uncertainty of the life of the planet | Feb 17 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | I get paid in three minutes | Feb 17 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | yeehaw | Feb 17 05:03 |
| Ender2070_ | lol | Feb 17 05:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[aondo] Finished naming my audio tracks. Unfinished work, but still need names :D | Feb 17 05:04 | |
| Ender2070_ | California is still running into massive pollution, they failed at regulating cars | Feb 17 05:05 |
| Ender2070_ | they also failed at power generation | Feb 17 05:05 |
| Ender2070_ | they still burn coal | Feb 17 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070_, The Governator has set them back years on environmental causes | Feb 17 05:05 |
| Ender2070_ | replace those coal plants with nuclear | Feb 17 05:06 |
| Ender2070_ | c02 levels would drop like mad | Feb 17 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070_, I was bemused by the fact that Obama didn't mention the clean coal fallacy at the announcement | Feb 17 05:06 |
| Ender2070_ | LOL | Feb 17 05:06 |
| Ender2070_ | coal is just cheap | Feb 17 05:06 |
| Ender2070_ | nuclear is too but not up front | Feb 17 05:07 |
| Ender2070_ | its cheaper in the long run | Feb 17 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | "We're gonna be environmentally friendly using something that can't be anything but environmentally unfriendly!" | Feb 17 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | See how that is supposed to work? | Feb 17 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | I don't | Feb 17 05:07 |
| Ender2070_ | lol | Feb 17 05:07 |
| Ender2070_ | they'll do everything like regulate births, or taxing births for c02 meanwhile coal isn't looked at | Feb 17 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070_, Well, he didn't mention that some of our power plants burn regular fuels | Feb 17 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | not many of them, but some burn straight diesel | Feb 17 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | and we import almost all of that | Feb 17 05:08 |
| Ender2070_ | the goal is to seem like they are fixing things | Feb 17 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | things that are imported should be tossed away first and foremost | Feb 17 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | even when it doesn't save much money | Feb 17 05:08 |
| Ender2070_ | that way when they fail, they can enact totalitarian laws to "protect the environment" | Feb 17 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | nuclear isn't a bad way to go, imo | Feb 17 05:09 |
| Ender2070_ | no, its the best way to go right now | Feb 17 05:09 |
| Ender2070_ | :D | Feb 17 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | but building two reactors won't make a huge dent in our energy available | Feb 17 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | we have 102 reactors today | Feb 17 05:09 |
| Ender2070_ | how many coal plants will 1 reactor replace though | Feb 17 05:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Microsoft - Tax Evader Par Excelence http://bit.ly/abeWg6 | Feb 17 05:10 | |
| DaemonFC | not entirely sure about that | Feb 17 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | but what about the jobs lost at the coal plants? | Feb 17 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 17 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | he didn't mention that, did he? | Feb 17 05:10 |
| Ender2070_ | they can get jobs at nuclear plants | Feb 17 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | well, duh, the numbers might balance out | Feb 17 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | but they're not net gains on jobs | Feb 17 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | he positioned it like they were | Feb 17 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | he should have to tell us how many people lose coal plant jobs and how many people get hired for nuclear plant | Feb 17 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | and the difference is how many jobs were actually added | Feb 17 05:11 |
| Ender2070_ | yeah | Feb 17 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070_, He cited 850 permanent nuclear jobs, but didn't say how many coal plant jobs were going to be lost | Feb 17 05:12 |
| Ender2070_ | and if the companies spent less money importing various fuels to power them, the could put that money elsewhere | Feb 17 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | so if 600 coal jobs are lost, and we have a net gain of 250, that's good | Feb 17 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | but he acted like it would just be the 850 new | Feb 17 05:12 |
| Ender2070_ | weasel wording | Feb 17 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | yep | Feb 17 05:13 |
| Ender2070_ | basicly he is technically correct | Feb 17 05:13 |
| Ender2070_ | 850 *new* jobs | Feb 17 05:13 |
| Ender2070_ | just dont mention lost jobs | Feb 17 05:13 |
| Ender2070_ | lol | Feb 17 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, didn't want to burst everyones bubble and tell the trusth that few or no additional jobs will come from this thing | Feb 17 05:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Gotta love woman's figure skating. I've seen bikinis with more skin coverage. And those bodies... I know, I'm too old to chase them :( | Feb 17 05:14 | |
| Ender2070_ | lol | Feb 17 05:14 |
| Ender2070_ | ms can use a similar excuse | Feb 17 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft does speak in terms like Obama | Feb 17 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | it's called PR :) | Feb 17 05:14 |
| Ender2070_ | "if we're gone, entire industries will collapse, a/v, anti spyware, computer repair shops" | Feb 17 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, you mean predatory industries that pump people for money to post a guard at the door Microsoft left open | Feb 17 05:15 |
| Ender2070_ | yeah | Feb 17 05:15 |
| Ender2070_ | now if you want to stop microsoft, you're destroying jobs!!!! | Feb 17 05:15 |
| Ender2070_ | oh noes! | Feb 17 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | that's not true, those people have programming skills | Feb 17 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | they can get jobs doing things that benefit people | Feb 17 05:16 |
| Ender2070_ | yeah but it would probably be c# | Feb 17 05:16 |
| Ender2070_ | which dies with msft | Feb 17 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | meh, Microsoft just has that air surrounding it | Feb 17 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | kind of like the Soviet Union circa 1988 | Feb 17 05:17 |
| Ender2070_ | lol | Feb 17 05:17 |
| cubezzz | so passes the old way | Feb 17 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | insisting that they're alive and well, and then the next year, you have republics seceding, the berlin wall coming down | Feb 17 05:17 |
| Ender2070_ | i'll wait to see microsoft's wall taken down | Feb 17 05:17 |
| cubezzz | it's down | Feb 17 05:18 |
| Ender2070_ | not quite | Feb 17 05:18 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070_, The problem for Microsoft is that each FOSS segment of importance, has more programmers working on it than Microsoft can afford to pay to work on that piece of Windows | Feb 17 05:18 |
| cubezzz | the long decline has begun | Feb 17 05:18 |
| Ender2070_ | windows mobile 7 will be the hammer | Feb 17 05:18 |
| DaemonFC | Windows right now is more or less in a state of decay management while FOSS development is booming | Feb 17 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | first came the 3 year delay that resulted in Vista, then another 3 years gives you a "Vista SE" | Feb 17 05:20 |
| Ender2070_ | Windows might be getting dusty, but never underestimate crappy businesses who are blindly using everything ms comes out with | Feb 17 05:20 |
| Ender2070_ | plus you still have people running their businesses on old 9x machines | Feb 17 05:20 |
| Ender2070_ | i've seen them | Feb 17 05:20 |
| Ender2070_ | lol that reminds me of a funny situation I had at a pc shop I worked at | Feb 17 05:21 |
| Ender2070_ | had a business customer bring in a "mission critical pc" and didnt want to wait the 2 day turnaround | Feb 17 05:21 |
| Ender2070_ | said his business was relying on that one pc | Feb 17 05:21 |
| Ender2070_ | "don't you have backups?" | Feb 17 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | nope :) | Feb 17 05:22 |
| Ender2070_ | I don't know, but if I was running a business I would have duplicate machines for that reason | Feb 17 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070_, I'm not sure what to think about regarding those online backup deals | Feb 17 05:23 |
| Ender2070_ | for the same reason you make photocopies of transations and contracts | Feb 17 05:23 |
| DaemonFC | seems a little like spyware or potential search warrants that I'm not aware of | Feb 17 05:23 |
| Ender2070_ | i dont rely on online backup | Feb 17 05:23 |
| Ender2070_ | other than my own server, sometimes | Feb 17 05:24 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't use one that backed up to a US server | Feb 17 05:24 |
| DaemonFC | cause then the government can just do some kind of phoney warrant on it | Feb 17 05:24 |
| DaemonFC | one of those National Security Letters | Feb 17 05:24 |
| Ender2070_ | they are doing that to us right now | Feb 17 05:24 |
| Ender2070_ | they just need a reason to go through this data | Feb 17 05:25 |
| DaemonFC | What do you think about Ubuntu One? | Feb 17 05:25 |
| cubezzz | I have my own server | Feb 17 05:25 |
| Ender2070_ | terrorism, terrorism, swine flue, flu, saddam huissein, iran iran iran | Feb 17 05:25 |
| Ender2070_ | that should set off enough keywords | Feb 17 05:27 |
| Ender2070_ | http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2007/06/spy_room | Feb 17 05:27 |
| Ender2070_ | it was sad to see obama's DOJ still enforce the use of these rooms | Feb 17 05:29 |
| Ender2070_ | trying to get the EFF vs AT&T case thrown out | Feb 17 05:29 |
| Ender2070_ | I remember when he first got into power and kept it up, people said it was just because he couldnt change anything yet. Bullocks | Feb 17 05:30 |
| Ender2070_ | he hasn't reveresed any of bush's changes | Feb 17 05:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | you mean congress hasnt | Feb 17 05:30 |
| Ender2070_ | yes and I don't see that ever happening | Feb 17 05:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | I do | Feb 17 05:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | its called VOTING FOR SOMEONE WHOS NOT A FUCKING REPUBLICAN | Feb 17 05:31 |
| Ender2070_ | they are allowed unlimited funds from lobbyists | Feb 17 05:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: yes, and you know what I'd do? | Feb 17 05:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | take all the lobby money | Feb 17 05:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then do whatever the fuck I want | Feb 17 05:32 |
| Ender2070_ | yes but you think you're living in a democratic nation | Feb 17 05:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | I am in the sense that someday I'll be very rich | Feb 17 05:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | Rich people are scared of people like me, just imagine what happens if I get my hands on money. | Feb 17 05:32 |
| Ender2070_ | thats the thing, you wont | Feb 17 05:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | I, oh I dunno, might go cure a profitable disease. | Feb 17 05:33 |
| Ender2070_ | and lots of money is required to get in | Feb 17 05:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | I can see the headlines now | Feb 17 05:33 |
| Ender2070_ | LOL | Feb 17 05:33 |
| Ender2070_ | you won't get the funding to do that | Feb 17 05:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | "Diablo cures cancer, biotech stocks down 50%!" | Feb 17 05:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | <--- complete and utter bastard, and dont forget it | Feb 17 05:33 |
| Ender2070_ | most scientific research these days is steered by grants | Feb 17 05:33 |
| Ender2070_ | you want to debunk global warming? no grant money for you. we'll give it to the guy who can't keep an organized office but lies for us. | Feb 17 05:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont need to debunk it | Feb 17 05:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | due to the fact its not relevant | Feb 17 05:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | global warming does exist | Feb 17 05:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it'd exist if humans were on earth or not | Feb 17 05:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | the earth warms and cools. | Feb 17 05:35 |
| Ender2070_ | and | Feb 17 05:35 |
| cubezzz | yes ;) | Feb 17 05:35 |
| Ender2070_ | the planet would heal itself if we disappeared | Feb 17 05:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | the thing is we need to cut pollution | Feb 17 05:35 |
| cubezzz | Lake Erie has frozen over too :) | Feb 17 05:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | pollution will be cut | Feb 17 05:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | no matter if big business wants it or not | Feb 17 05:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | big oil is basically fucked | Feb 17 05:36 |
| Ender2070_ | my suggestion is banning coal and fossil fuel for power generation | Feb 17 05:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: it wont matter | Feb 17 05:36 |
| Ender2070_ | and reverse deforestation | Feb 17 05:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | just make a company that produces nuclear generators that use lower radiation fuels | Feb 17 05:36 |
| Ender2070_ | sell them to average joe? | Feb 17 05:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | sell them to the average joe's community. | Feb 17 05:37 |
| Ender2070_ | self sustaining electricity? | Feb 17 05:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | the power grid would be far less complex if we had small scale generators everywhere | Feb 17 05:37 |
| Ender2070_ | a personal reactor could probably run off of very low radiation fuels | Feb 17 05:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | which means the cost of electricty would drop | Feb 17 05:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | and most power companies would go under | Feb 17 05:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: it can | Feb 17 05:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | you can have an 18 wheeler sized pebble generator | Feb 17 05:37 |
| Ender2070_ | without the risk of terrorism too | Feb 17 05:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | it cant explode | Feb 17 05:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | it cant leak in any useful way | Feb 17 05:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | even if you try to damage it, its very much damage resistant. | Feb 17 05:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | and there isnt enough fuel in it to even make a dirty bomb that'll do anything but give you yourself cancer | Feb 17 05:38 |
| Ender2070_ | lol | Feb 17 05:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | and they dont need uranium either. | Feb 17 05:38 |
| Ender2070_ | but as you point out | Feb 17 05:38 |
| Ender2070_ | <Diablo-D3> and most power companies would go under | Feb 17 05:39 |
| Ender2070_ | and | Feb 17 05:39 |
| Ender2070_ | unlimited lobbying funds for congress | Feb 17 05:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: yes, but all it does is taking a state to say no. | Feb 17 05:39 |
| Ender2070_ | market it at Texas | Feb 17 05:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it is in the authority for the state government to allow it. | Feb 17 05:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | Maine would over night just to get rid of the Canadians | Feb 17 05:39 |
| Ender2070_ | :P | Feb 17 05:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | Canada basically paid off the PUC here in Maine | Feb 17 05:40 |
| Ender2070_ | ?? | Feb 17 05:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | so we pay twice as much as the rest of the country | Feb 17 05:40 |
| Ender2070_ | like USA doesnt pay us off at all | Feb 17 05:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: I think you misunderstood | Feb 17 05:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | maine used to have power generation | Feb 17 05:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then a canadian company came in, paid off a few douche bags | Feb 17 05:40 |
| Ender2070_ | then they got a free trade agreement | Feb 17 05:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | and now we buy power from them | Feb 17 05:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | no matter if we agree to or not | Feb 17 05:41 |
| cubezzz | what company was that? | Feb 17 05:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: dunno | Feb 17 05:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | I don't do business with canadian companies nor do I want to | Feb 17 05:41 |
| Ender2070_ | Atomic Energy? | Feb 17 05:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | bunch of frauds. | Feb 17 05:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | several communities in maine are taking themselves off the grid, effectively | Feb 17 05:41 |
| Ender2070_ | dont blame all of canada for this | Feb 17 05:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: if canada cant control their companies, I very much do blame canada | Feb 17 05:42 |
| Ender2070_ | we're not all frauds | Feb 17 05:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | the lines at the border should have been cut | Feb 17 05:42 |
| Ender2070_ | USA can't control its own either | Feb 17 05:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | we dont want your power. | Feb 17 05:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | but as I was saying | Feb 17 05:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | put a hundred of these small scale reactors in | Feb 17 05:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | force you silly canadians to buy the power at the same rate you sell it to us | Feb 17 05:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | and watch what happens | Feb 17 05:43 |
| Ender2070_ | actually this does happen already | Feb 17 05:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | hilarity will ensue. | Feb 17 05:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | not at such a large scale | Feb 17 05:43 |
| Ender2070_ | we sell USA energy, and when we need it back they double it | Feb 17 05:43 |
| Ender2070_ | because of free trade we cant back down on it | Feb 17 05:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | maine will be effectively disconnected from the entire grid | Feb 17 05:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | no other state or country can bitch | Feb 17 05:44 |
| cubezzz | New England utilities have been buying Canadian power for years, especially in the summer | Feb 17 05:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: yes, but now thats ALL we buy | Feb 17 05:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | its disgusting | Feb 17 05:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | there is no reason to even be charging for power | Feb 17 05:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | its another scam | Feb 17 05:44 |
| Ender2070_ | I would blame the politicians who allowed that to happen in Maine | Feb 17 05:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: no one did | Feb 17 05:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | just one guy. | Feb 17 05:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | and hes not a politician | Feb 17 05:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont even know his name | Feb 17 05:45 |
| cubezzz | they charge for water too | Feb 17 05:45 |
| Ender2070_ | lol | Feb 17 05:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: thats the hilarious part | Feb 17 05:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes a nobody | Feb 17 05:45 |
| cubezzz | never mind electricity | Feb 17 05:45 |
| Ender2070_ | well the USA has been dishing this out to other countries for years dude | Feb 17 05:45 |
| Ender2070_ | can't complain when you have to taste your own medicine | Feb 17 05:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: yes, but maine cant afford it | Feb 17 05:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | the US may have been doing it, but Maine never did | Feb 17 05:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | so if/when Maine finally does switch over to all local energy | Feb 17 05:46 |
| Ender2070_ | guilty by association | Feb 17 05:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | fuck all of you | Feb 17 05:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | fuck the other states, fuck the other countries | Feb 17 05:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | we'll have essentially free and unlimited power | Feb 17 05:46 |
| Ender2070_ | run for political control of maine | Feb 17 05:46 |
| Ender2070_ | do it | Feb 17 05:46 |
| cubezzz | ha | Feb 17 05:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | it'll be easier to just _buy_ maine. | Feb 17 05:46 |
| cubezzz | go solar :) | Feb 17 05:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: no room | Feb 17 05:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | and wind is sort of a bust | Feb 17 05:47 |
| Ender2070_ | and scammy | Feb 17 05:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | it'd be easier to just do offshore wind + tidal | Feb 17 05:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | tidal especially, since right up the coast from us in canada has one of the highest tides in the world | Feb 17 05:47 |
| Ender2070_ | hydroelectric is good too | Feb 17 05:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: thats what we used to | Feb 17 05:48 |
| Ender2070_ | depends on the location | Feb 17 05:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | bangor hydro is one of our companies. | Feb 17 05:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | notice the name | Feb 17 05:48 |
| cubezzz | yes | Feb 17 05:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | they had to shut down all their hydro plants and their sole nuclear plant | Feb 17 05:48 |
| Ender2070_ | why | Feb 17 05:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | because the PUC ordered them to. | Feb 17 05:48 |
| Ender2070_ | who is the PUC | Feb 17 05:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | public utilities commission | Feb 17 05:48 |
| cubezzz | everyone has one | Feb 17 05:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | bangor hydro threatened to go out of business | Feb 17 05:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then the government threatened to put each and every one of them in jail | Feb 17 05:49 |
| Ender2070_ | who runs the PUC | Feb 17 05:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: the commissioner of the PUC | Feb 17 05:49 |
| cubezzz | rich dudes :) | Feb 17 05:49 |
| Ender2070_ | who does he work for | Feb 17 05:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | a single man who is hired for the position | Feb 17 05:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes a nobody, an idiot public worker. | Feb 17 05:49 |
| Ender2070_ | he has a boss | Feb 17 05:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | like I said, I dont even know his name | Feb 17 05:49 |
| Ender2070_ | it sounds government run | Feb 17 05:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: he could have a boss, yes. | Feb 17 05:50 |
| Ender2070_ | http://www.state.me.us/mpuc/ | Feb 17 05:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: UH HELLO | Feb 17 05:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | it IS the government | Feb 17 05:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | what made you think it wasnt? | Feb 17 05:50 |
| Ender2070_ | oh wait | Feb 17 05:50 |
| Ender2070_ | im getting mixed up | Feb 17 05:50 |
| Ender2070_ | bangor hydro is private? | Feb 17 05:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a company, yes. | Feb 17 05:51 |
| Ender2070_ | well is it a private company or a public company | Feb 17 05:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | it doesnt matter | Feb 17 05:51 |
| Ender2070_ | it does | Feb 17 05:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, it doesnt | Feb 17 05:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | the PUC is still in your shit no matter what. | Feb 17 05:51 |
| Ender2070_ | if its public there is accountability | Feb 17 05:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: accountability for what? | Feb 17 05:51 |
| cubezzz | what rate do you get? | Feb 17 05:52 |
| Ender2070_ | corruption and stupidness? | Feb 17 05:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | they cant be held accountable for being told to shut down and sell your shit. | Feb 17 05:52 |
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| Diablo-D3 | bangor hydro was _against_ fucking over people in maine | Feb 17 05:52 |
| Ender2070_ | the maine government then told them to shut down their plants | Feb 17 05:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | they fought it to the bitter end | Feb 17 05:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | and lost | Feb 17 05:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: yes. | Feb 17 05:52 |
| cubezzz | First 100Kwh = $0.058 | Feb 17 05:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | and they were forced to comply. | Feb 17 05:52 |
| cubezzz | oops, 100KwH | Feb 17 05:52 |
| cubezzz | ugh | Feb 17 05:53 |
| cubezzz | 1000KwH :) | Feb 17 05:53 |
| Ender2070_ | we have our own issues too | Feb 17 05:53 |
| Ender2070_ | we had Maurice Strong | Feb 17 05:53 |
| Ender2070_ | he fucked up our energy situation royally | Feb 17 05:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: I use about 750-1000kwh a month and pay about $200 | Feb 17 05:53 |
| Ender2070_ | privatized hydro, and ruined our atomic industry | Feb 17 05:53 |
| cubezzz | a significant expense | Feb 17 05:53 |
| Ender2070_ | he then got a job at the UN | Feb 17 05:53 |
| Ender2070_ | while working at ontario hydro | Feb 17 05:53 |
| Ender2070_ | for his efforts | Feb 17 05:53 |
| Ender2070_ | once this was found out, he took a $0 salary at ontario hydro to continue fucking it up | Feb 17 05:54 |
| cubezzz | Diablo-D3, we also have to pay debt retirement :-/ | Feb 17 05:54 |
| cubezzz | which sucks | Feb 17 05:54 |
| cubezzz | http://www.opuc.on.ca/media/files/Residential%20Rates%20Nov%202009.pdf | Feb 17 05:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: its not efficient anyhow | Feb 17 05:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | buying power that isnt locally produced wastes power | Feb 17 05:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | which wastes money | Feb 17 05:55 |
| cubezzz | yes | Feb 17 05:55 |
| Ender2070_ | i feel bad for you but please place the blame on your bad government | Feb 17 05:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, just one person. | Feb 17 05:55 |
| Ender2070_ | one person can't just shut down every power plant, he has government power backing him up | Feb 17 05:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | actually, he can | Feb 17 05:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats the job of the PUC. | Feb 17 05:56 |
| Ender2070_ | yes exactly | Feb 17 05:56 |
| Ender2070_ | he has power given to him to do so | Feb 17 05:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, which means hes responsible for his mitakes. | Feb 17 05:56 |
| cubezzz | we should have cheap power being close to Niagra falls | Feb 17 05:56 |
| Ender2070_ | and so is the government which hires him | Feb 17 05:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: not really | Feb 17 05:56 |
| Ender2070_ | and lets him get away with it | Feb 17 05:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | people arent in government long enough around here to change anything | Feb 17 05:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes not even the comissioner anymore | Feb 17 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8518438.stm | Feb 17 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | uh oh :P | Feb 17 05:57 |
| Ender2070_ | that sounds like a seriously shitty state government you have | Feb 17 05:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | not shitty | Feb 17 05:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | just extremely small | Feb 17 05:57 |
| Ender2070_ | yes shitty | Feb 17 05:57 |
| Ender2070_ | it cant fix its own mistakes | Feb 17 05:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | maine has very little money. | Feb 17 05:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: it cant be fixed | Feb 17 05:57 |
| Ender2070_ | its subject to corruption by single individuals | Feb 17 05:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, literally, it cant be fixed | Feb 17 05:57 |
| Ender2070_ | yes it fucking can | Feb 17 05:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | the nuclear power plant, for example, cant be switched back on. | Feb 17 05:57 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | Feb 17 05:58 |
| Ender2070_ | why | Feb 17 05:58 |
| cubezzz | money I guess | Feb 17 05:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | its been off for too long | Feb 17 05:58 |
| Ender2070_ | so you start an effort for local power generation citing costs | Feb 17 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | unfortunately, people get into office in Indiana and live there | Feb 17 05:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it was permanently closed in conjunction with the federal nuclear people | Feb 17 05:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: some already are | Feb 17 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | not the governor, just cause he's term limited | Feb 17 05:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | and its not the state government | Feb 17 05:58 |
| Ender2070_ | help them | Feb 17 05:58 |
| cubezzz | get some stimulus moola :) | Feb 17 05:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: theres nothing to help | Feb 17 05:58 |
| Ender2070_ | its not the state government? | Feb 17 05:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | many are already putting up wind turbines | Feb 17 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Play money that was seized from the states to begin with? | Feb 17 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 17 05:59 |
| Ender2070_ | the federal government turned off your power plants? | Feb 17 05:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | nope, its local and federal combined | Feb 17 05:59 |
| Ender2070_ | and made it illegal to turn them back on? | Feb 17 05:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: I think you misunderstood | Feb 17 05:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | the state isnt paying for green power | Feb 17 05:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | Obama is | Feb 17 05:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | several communities in maine are building power generation stuff thats owned by the towns | Feb 17 05:59 |
| Ender2070_ | if you have a government that can't fix the problems of one person, its a problem government | Feb 17 06:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | so the maine PUC can't interfere and the silly canadians have to fuck off. | Feb 17 06:00 |
| cubezzz | we have a city PUC | Feb 17 06:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: larger ones do | Feb 17 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | Maine, there's your problem :D | Feb 17 06:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: theres nothing to fix. | Feb 17 06:00 |
| Ender2070_ | that attitude is keeping it that way | Feb 17 06:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: our largest power generator can never be turned on again | Feb 17 06:00 |
| Ender2070_ | replace it | Feb 17 06:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | replace it? | Feb 17 06:00 |
| cubezzz | well, I'm curious to know what this Canadian company is called | Feb 17 06:00 |
| Ender2070_ | yes | Feb 17 06:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude it cant even be de-fueled for another 20 years | Feb 17 06:00 |
| Ender2070_ | its going to be there till the end of time? | Feb 17 06:00 |
| cubezzz | no :) | Feb 17 06:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: you dont know shit about nuclear power plants do you? | Feb 17 06:01 |
| Ender2070_ | they cant build another one? | Feb 17 06:01 |
| Ender2070_ | in another location | Feb 17 06:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | Not like that, no | Feb 17 06:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | they dont make them that way anymore | Feb 17 06:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | no one is building the large scale nuclear power plant designs from the 60s | Feb 17 06:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | and the federal government quit doing nuclear research since the 70s | Feb 17 06:01 |
| cubezzz | there was talk about building more | Feb 17 06:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: yes | Feb 17 06:02 |
| Ender2070_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANDU_reactor | Feb 17 06:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | obama finally got authorization for like three more | Feb 17 06:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | but they're going out west where they absolutely need them | Feb 17 06:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: yes so what? | Feb 17 06:02 |
| Ender2070_ | buy them from us | Feb 17 06:02 |
| Ender2070_ | we build them | Feb 17 06:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: um, no one is building shit that old anymore | Feb 17 06:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats a very old and outdated design | Feb 17 06:03 |
| cubezzz | what are they building now? | Feb 17 06:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: pebble reactors mostly | Feb 17 06:03 |
| Ender2070_ | they're being made for china noob | Feb 17 06:03 |
| Ender2070_ | some are already there | Feb 17 06:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: yes, and china lives in the past | Feb 17 06:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | who cares about them | Feb 17 06:03 |
| Ender2070_ | even a 60's nuclear reactor > coal | Feb 17 06:03 |
| cubezzz | does that wind turbine in pickering do anything? :) | Feb 17 06:03 |
| cubezzz | I'm sure Pickering was updated | Feb 17 06:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: its enough for them I assume | Feb 17 06:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: not really | Feb 17 06:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: the old 60s designs are too easy to cause environmental damage | Feb 17 06:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'm really interested in a modern thorium pebble reactor | Feb 17 06:04 |
| cubezzz | US didn't buy any Candu I don't think | Feb 17 06:05 |
| Ender2070_ | well get them out there | Feb 17 06:05 |
| Ender2070_ | i don't want to hear anything about your incompitent government | Feb 17 06:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: uh, thats not up to the government | Feb 17 06:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats up to private enterprise. | Feb 17 06:05 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble_reactor | Feb 17 06:05 |
| Ender2070_ | they ruined it in the first place | Feb 17 06:05 |
| Ender2070_ | they need to fix it | Feb 17 06:05 |
| cubezzz | when did Maine start buying electrical power from Canada? | Feb 17 06:06 |
| cubezzz | just curious | Feb 17 06:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: sometime in the past decade or so | Feb 17 06:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | its been awhile | Feb 17 06:06 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koeberg | Feb 17 06:07 |
| Ender2070_ | well anyways | Feb 17 06:07 |
| Ender2070_ | im on your side Diablo | Feb 17 06:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | anyhow modern pebble bed reactors are really small | Feb 17 06:07 |
| Ender2070_ | estimates say Canada will run out of power in 5 years | Feb 17 06:07 |
| Ender2070_ | i want to cut the lines to the states too | Feb 17 06:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: which is impossible | Feb 17 06:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | you cant run out of power. | Feb 17 06:08 |
| cubezzz | eh? really Ender2070_? | Feb 17 06:08 |
| Ender2070_ | our grid will be overloaded | Feb 17 06:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | I love mass media scare tactics | Feb 17 06:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: then build more. | Feb 17 06:08 |
| Ender2070_ | like in 2003 | Feb 17 06:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | or quit using the grid. | Feb 17 06:08 |
| cubezzz | that seems wrong to me | Feb 17 06:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | nation wide grids are outdated. | Feb 17 06:08 |
| Ender2070_ | Atomic Energy is in shambles | Feb 17 06:08 |
| Ender2070_ | they are being bought out | Feb 17 06:08 |
| cubezzz | by...? | Feb 17 06:08 |
| Ender2070_ | In December 2009, the Canadian Federal Government announced that they would be seeking private investors for a partial sell-off of its CANDU division | Feb 17 06:08 |
| Ender2070_ | not sure | Feb 17 06:09 |
| Ender2070_ | CANDU technology is being sold off | Feb 17 06:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, there are other things out there | Feb 17 06:09 |
| Ender2070_ | niagra falls can only cover so much | Feb 17 06:09 |
| cubezzz | I think I'm on Nuclear power actually | Feb 17 06:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | any of the gen 4 nuclear techs are useful | Feb 17 06:09 |
| cubezzz | I'm close to Pickering | Feb 17 06:09 |
| Ender2070_ | we had a communist destroy our energy industry | Feb 17 06:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | I just dont particularly like the facilities that are huge | Feb 17 06:10 |
| cubezzz | the Pickering plant was built in 1966 | Feb 17 06:11 |
| Ender2070_ | instead of messing around with your old reactor thats impossible to use at this current time, could those pebble reactors be a solution? | Feb 17 06:11 |
| Ender2070_ | cubezzz - GTA is running off of niagra falls, hydro | Feb 17 06:11 |
| Ender2070_ | thats where the population is condensed | Feb 17 06:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: yes | Feb 17 06:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: they can manufacture ones so small that they can be packed onto modified 18 wheelers and sent to their destination | Feb 17 06:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | alaska has a few, for example | Feb 17 06:12 |
| Ender2070_ | hmm | Feb 17 06:12 |
| Ender2070_ | im interested in technlogies that could help people be self sustaining | Feb 17 06:12 |
| cubezzz | Pickering isn't even at full capacity | Feb 17 06:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: I'd love to see if I could buy one actually | Feb 17 06:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | it probably costs millions though | Feb 17 06:13 |
| Ender2070_ | cubezzz - it didnt help the 2003 blackout | Feb 17 06:13 |
| cubezzz | you could buy a Mars probe power supply :) | Feb 17 06:13 |
| cubezzz | oh right, I remember that | Feb 17 06:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: I'd run it at full capacity all the time and sell the power back to bangor hydro | Feb 17 06:14 |
| cubezzz | 24 hour outrage | Feb 17 06:14 |
| cubezzz | er, outtage :) | Feb 17 06:14 |
| Ender2070_ | yeah | Feb 17 06:14 |
| Ender2070_ | sucked and I knew one asshole who ran his AC when he wasnt home too | Feb 17 06:14 |
| cubezzz | one t | Feb 17 06:14 |
| Ender2070_ | i was cursing his name as I couldn't use my gamecube | Feb 17 06:14 |
| cubezzz | lol | Feb 17 06:14 |
| cubezzz | you have your priorities | Feb 17 06:15 |
| Ender2070_ | i was safe | Feb 17 06:15 |
| cubezzz | weren't people told not to run their A/C? | Feb 17 06:15 |
| Ender2070_ | nothing catastophic really happened | Feb 17 06:15 |
| Ender2070_ | people were told to try and cut back on it | Feb 17 06:15 |
| Ender2070_ | when power came back | Feb 17 06:16 |
| cubezzz | my UPS only lasts about 45 mins | Feb 17 06:16 |
| Ender2070_ | i was in the middle of a game of zelda: windwaker | Feb 17 06:16 |
| Ender2070_ | no UPS | Feb 17 06:16 |
| Ender2070_ | :( | Feb 17 06:16 |
| cubezzz | ah, well they aren't too expensive | Feb 17 06:16 |
| *Diablo-D3 has an ups thankfully | Feb 17 06:17 | |
| Ender2070_ | energy in brampton doesn't cut out all the time | Feb 17 06:17 |
| Ender2070_ | haven't run into any issues myself yet | Feb 17 06:17 |
| cubezzz | Nuclear power only supplies 2.1% of the world's energy | Feb 17 06:17 |
| Ender2070_ | i find running a raid-z is cheaper | Feb 17 06:18 |
| cubezzz | I bet I wouldn't need much to run an ARM based computer | Feb 17 06:19 |
| cubezzz | a small solar panel would probably be enough | Feb 17 06:19 |
| Ender2070_ | check out this douche bag | Feb 17 06:19 |
| Ender2070_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Strong | Feb 17 06:19 |
| cubezzz | uh, he's got tons of awards | Feb 17 06:21 |
| cubezzz | I assume you are referring to the UN oil-for-food scandal? | Feb 17 06:22 |
| Ender2070_ | yeah, for ruining ontario hydro | Feb 17 06:22 |
| cubezzz | oh yeah :) | Feb 17 06:22 |
| cubezzz | he did do that | Feb 17 06:22 |
| Ender2070_ | yeah hes also a communist, put in by Trudeau another communist | Feb 17 06:23 |
| Ender2070_ | and guess where he lives now? | Feb 17 06:23 |
| Ender2070_ | People's Republic of China | Feb 17 06:23 |
| cubezzz | yes | Feb 17 06:23 |
| cubezzz | weird | Feb 17 06:24 |
| Ender2070_ | lester pearson basicly helped invent the UN | Feb 17 06:24 |
| Ender2070_ | another communist, helped get trudeau in | Feb 17 06:24 |
| cubezzz | "due to criticism that he gave his stepdaughter a job at the UN contrary to UN staff regulations against hiring immediate family" | Feb 17 06:24 |
| Ender2070_ | trudeau, re-classified a list of confirmed communists in canadian politics | Feb 17 06:24 |
| cubezzz | "The United States produces the most nuclear energy, with nuclear power providing 19%[6] of the electricity it consumes" | Feb 17 06:24 |
| Ender2070_ | thats what I want to find out when im an old man when they declassify it | Feb 17 06:25 |
| Ender2070_ | unfortunately by then, brave new world will have set in and nobody will care | Feb 17 06:25 |
| cubezzz | US must use a huge amount of electricity | Feb 17 06:25 |
| Ender2070_ | yes it does | Feb 17 06:26 |
| Ender2070_ | Las Vegas baby | Feb 17 06:26 |
| cubezzz | eventually Australia has _no_ nuclear reactors | Feb 17 06:26 |
| cubezzz | er, evidently :) | Feb 17 06:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | aus also sucks a lot of ducks | Feb 17 06:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | so who cares | Feb 17 06:28 |
| *shreddar has quit (Quit: sleeep) | Feb 17 06:29 | |
| Ender2070_ | they didn't sign the treaty banning unmanned robots | Feb 17 06:30 |
| Ender2070_ | remember terminator? aus is coming for you! | Feb 17 06:30 |
| Ender2070_ | ROFL | Feb 17 06:32 |
| Ender2070_ | "Now David Bruemmer and Douglas Few, both engineers at the US Department of Energy's Idaho National Lab in Idaho Falls, have modified a military robot so that it can be controlled by the Wiimote." | Feb 17 06:32 |
| Ender2070_ | http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19726495.800-wii-and-iphone-to-help-military-control-freaks.html?haasFormId=f9768f0e-e55c-439a-b647-e3a56f64a4f7&haasPage=0 | Feb 17 06:32 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070_, How's the time machines coming? | Feb 17 06:32 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't mind going back to 1984 | Feb 17 06:33 |
| Ender2070_ | DaemonFC - perfect | Feb 17 06:33 |
| Ender2070_ | theres a few bugs though actually | Feb 17 06:33 |
| Ender2070_ | only works going forward | Feb 17 06:33 |
| Ender2070_ | and seconds at a time | Feb 17 06:33 |
| DaemonFC | such as re-materializing inverted? | Feb 17 06:33 |
| DaemonFC | oh, ok | Feb 17 06:33 |
| Ender2070_ | why 1984? | Feb 17 06:34 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070_, I even figured out how they could bring back those ray guns in the Terminator time travel rules | Feb 17 06:34 |
| Ender2070_ | oh how | Feb 17 06:34 |
| Ender2070_ | i know how | Feb 17 06:34 |
| DaemonFC | make a bag of flesh and put the ray guns in it | Feb 17 06:34 |
| Ender2070_ | LOL | Feb 17 06:34 |
| Ender2070_ | or | Feb 17 06:34 |
| Ender2070_ | send a weapon maker back in time, years ahead of when you need your own weapons | Feb 17 06:35 |
| Ender2070_ | like in the Terminator TV show | Feb 17 06:35 |
| DaemonFC | I still like my idea better | Feb 17 06:35 |
| DaemonFC | just wrap them in flesh | Feb 17 06:36 |
| Ender2070_ | where are you gonna get a bag of flesh | Feb 17 06:36 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure Skynet could engineer flesh bags for weapons | Feb 17 06:36 |
| DaemonFC | it puts grown skin on the Terminators right? | Feb 17 06:36 |
| Ender2070_ | terminators skeletons and shit aren't as complex as the weapons though | Feb 17 06:36 |
| DaemonFC | well, it might work | Feb 17 06:37 |
| DaemonFC | never know until you try | Feb 17 06:37 |
| Ender2070_ | they would've hid a weapon in the terminators stomache then | Feb 17 06:37 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070_, They did | Feb 17 06:37 |
| Ender2070_ | nooo | Feb 17 06:37 |
| DaemonFC | the T-X had flame thrower, plasma rifle, and more | Feb 17 06:37 |
| DaemonFC | built-in | Feb 17 06:37 |
| Ender2070_ | in her arm | Feb 17 06:37 |
| DaemonFC | right | Feb 17 06:37 |
| Ender2070_ | and it did follow your idea | Feb 17 06:38 |
| Ender2070_ | but it was theirs | Feb 17 06:38 |
| DaemonFC | maybe | Feb 17 06:38 |
| Ender2070_ | the arm is surrounded by flesh | Feb 17 06:38 |
| DaemonFC | how the hell did the fucking thing get through the time portal? | Feb 17 06:38 |
| DaemonFC | it's not alive | Feb 17 06:38 |
| DaemonFC | the T-800 has living flesh | Feb 17 06:38 |
| Ender2070_ | i dunno | Feb 17 06:38 |
| Ender2070_ | what about the T-1000 | Feb 17 06:38 |
| DaemonFC | exactly | Feb 17 06:38 |
| DaemonFC | and why was the T-1000 naked? | Feb 17 06:39 |
| Ender2070_ | i think they wanted to trink their viewers | Feb 17 06:39 |
| Ender2070_ | most people who saw T1 thought arnold was still the bad guy | Feb 17 06:39 |
| Ender2070_ | trick* | Feb 17 06:39 |
| DaemonFC | remember it had no clothes til it killed the police officer and mimicked his clothes | Feb 17 06:39 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Feb 17 06:39 |
| Ender2070_ | even when t1000 killed the cop, you didnt see him do it | Feb 17 06:39 |
| DaemonFC | right, he might have stripped the dead cop naked and took his clothes | Feb 17 06:40 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 17 06:40 |
| Ender2070_ | yeah | Feb 17 06:40 |
| Ender2070_ | looked like he punched him in the stomache | Feb 17 06:40 |
| Ender2070_ | like a human would | Feb 17 06:40 |
| DaemonFC | he probably used the stabber thing | Feb 17 06:40 |
| DaemonFC | yep | Feb 17 06:40 |
| Ender2070_ | they didnt really show arnold as a good guy will he shot at the t1000 | Feb 17 06:41 |
| Ender2070_ | looked like he was after Connor | Feb 17 06:41 |
| Ender2070_ | untill he shot* | Feb 17 06:41 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, for all you knew, the second guy could be the human | Feb 17 06:41 |
| Ender2070_ | yeah | Feb 17 06:41 |
| DaemonFC | and there to protect him | Feb 17 06:41 |
| Ender2070_ | he also had more of a personality than arnold too | Feb 17 06:42 |
| Ender2070_ | he talked to parents and people trying to find him, acting very much like a human | Feb 17 06:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then he starred in xfiles. | Feb 17 06:42 |
| DaemonFC | at first, but Arnold had his learning ability switched on | Feb 17 06:42 |
| DaemonFC | and by the end he was more human | Feb 17 06:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: problem is | Feb 17 06:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres only two movies | Feb 17 06:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | at the end of the second film, sarah conner lives to see the war never start | Feb 17 06:42 |
| Ender2070_ | 4 | Feb 17 06:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | nope, two | Feb 17 06:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | the third and fourth movies never happen, and neither does the series. | Feb 17 06:43 |
| Ender2070_ | lol | Feb 17 06:43 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070_, You remember that a while after he had his learning ability flipped on, he even understood crying? | Feb 17 06:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | never. happened. | Feb 17 06:43 |
| Ender2070_ | then the 2nd movie makes no sense | Feb 17 06:43 |
| DaemonFC | At first he couldn't understand the concept | Feb 17 06:43 |
| Ender2070_ | how did the first robot go back in time and give her that info | Feb 17 06:43 |
| Ender2070_ | if she prevented it | Feb 17 06:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: its a temporal paradox. | Feb 17 06:43 |
| Ender2070_ | the third movie showed that it would've happened regardless | Feb 17 06:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | nope. | Feb 17 06:43 |
| Ender2070_ | thus, no paradox | Feb 17 06:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | you can't retroactively change the ending of a better movie. | Feb 17 06:44 |
| Ender2070_ | the series undid the 3rd movie, ill give you that | Feb 17 06:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ive never seen the series | Feb 17 06:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | nor the two movies that dont exist. | Feb 17 06:44 |
| DaemonFC | they used a grandfather paradox in making Reese the father | Feb 17 06:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | only 1 and 2 exist, and thats just the way it is. | Feb 17 06:44 |
| Ender2070_ | LOL | Feb 17 06:44 |
| Ender2070_ | i like the series | Feb 17 06:44 |
| cubezzz | yeah well it's all fictional :) | Feb 17 06:44 |
| Ender2070_ | yeah | Feb 17 06:44 |
| Ender2070_ | the series has a smoking hot invincible robot chick | Feb 17 06:45 |
| cubezzz | if there's anything like skynet it's a well kept secret | Feb 17 06:45 |
| cubezzz | AI just doesn't really work very well | Feb 17 06:45 |
| DaemonFC | I think that if anything like Skynet happened, it would try not to be found out | Feb 17 06:45 |
| cubezzz | hence the term "AI winter" | Feb 17 06:45 |
| Ender2070_ | I once thought of just leaving a message for a possible skynet to discover | Feb 17 06:46 |
| Ender2070_ | 'save us from these tyrants!' | Feb 17 06:46 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070_, You mean as in taking out the capital of every country? | Feb 17 06:47 |
| Ender2070_ | it was an idea I thought of yes | Feb 17 06:48 |
| Ender2070_ | probably better used for fiction | Feb 17 06:48 |
| cubezzz | we don't have sentient autonomous robots to worry about | Feb 17 06:48 |
| Ender2070_ | my theory was that any AI like skynet would be able to figure out humans werent dangerous at all, the people in charge of other humans are | Feb 17 06:48 |
| cubezzz | just greedy humans | Feb 17 06:48 |
| cubezzz | we have roombas :) | Feb 17 06:49 |
| cubezzz | I'm not scared :) | Feb 17 06:49 |
| Ender2070_ | however I plan to write fiction based on this old idea i had from high school, lol | Feb 17 06:49 |
| Ender2070_ | sci-fi | Feb 17 06:49 |
| cubezzz | it's more fiction than science | Feb 17 06:50 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather there be the outcome of human consciousness being downloaded into the nearly indestructible cyborgs | Feb 17 06:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: apparently people didnt return for the 3rd and 4th films | Feb 17 06:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | so fuck it | Feb 17 06:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not even worth watching if arnold is the only one in it | Feb 17 06:50 |
| DaemonFC | but that assumes there's one for everyone | Feb 17 06:50 |
| Ender2070_ | the 4th takes place during the war | Feb 17 06:50 |
| cubezzz | we have good chess players, not killer robots :) | Feb 17 06:50 |
| DaemonFC | the poor would probably live and die as humans | Feb 17 06:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | christian bale plays john conner | Feb 17 06:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh god do not want | Feb 17 06:51 |
| Ender2070_ | yeah | Feb 17 06:51 |
| Ender2070_ | i didnt want to see it either | Feb 17 06:51 |
| cubezzz | the first guy was pretty good | Feb 17 06:51 |
| Ender2070_ | i wanted 10 years for the 3rd movie | Feb 17 06:51 |
| Ender2070_ | waited* | Feb 17 06:51 |
| Ender2070_ | i was disappointed | Feb 17 06:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | I didnt wait at all | Feb 17 06:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | seeing as | Feb 17 06:51 |
| Ender2070_ | there had to be a sequel, but it shouldn't have sucked | Feb 17 06:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | 2 ends the franchise. | Feb 17 06:52 |
| Ender2070_ | no it doesnt | Feb 17 06:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | it does | Feb 17 06:52 |
| cubezzz | we don't even have good Natural language processing | Feb 17 06:52 |
| Ender2070_ | if you have any grain of intelligence you'll realize the paradox requires a sequel to fix it | Feb 17 06:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | the war never starts, skynet doesnt happen | Feb 17 06:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: no | Feb 17 06:52 |
| cubezzz | skynet is just pie in the sky :) | Feb 17 06:52 |
| Ender2070_ | if skynet doesnt happen, she never gets attacked by robots, she lives her life as a waitress and never gives birth to john connor | Feb 17 06:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: temporal paradoxes only happen when you realize that parallel universes do work fine | Feb 17 06:52 |
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| Diablo-D3 | the future with the war with the machines happens in a different parallel universe | Feb 17 06:53 |
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| Ender2070_ | oh, well yeah if you said it was a parellel universe i could agree | Feb 17 06:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | the one the war never happens is forked off from the same past. | Feb 17 06:53 |
| cubezzz | for old or lazy people: | Feb 17 06:53 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Care-Providing_Robot_FRIEND | Feb 17 06:53 |
| Ender2070_ | i can agree with that | Feb 17 06:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: problem is, our vantage point is that oF T2 | Feb 17 06:53 |
| Ender2070_ | but then you'll have to accept that a parellel universe makes t3 and t4 possible | Feb 17 06:53 |
| Ender2070_ | :P | Feb 17 06:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: nope | Feb 17 06:54 |
| Ender2070_ | yes | Feb 17 06:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | T3 goes on from T2 | Feb 17 06:54 |
| Ender2070_ | so | Feb 17 06:54 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, so it wasn't just a time machine, they just didn't realize that they were also in a parallel universe? | Feb 17 06:54 |
| DaemonFC | sweet | Feb 17 06:54 |
| cubezzz | even if skynet became sentient it would need robots to function | Feb 17 06:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | T3 has to start from a timeline that there was no time travel yet | Feb 17 06:54 |
| Ender2070_ | a parellell universe where it happens anyways | Feb 17 06:54 |
| Ender2070_ | perallel* | Feb 17 06:54 |
| Ender2070_ | par* | Feb 17 06:54 |
| cubezzz | so how does skynet build anything? :) | Feb 17 06:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | the events of T1 and T2 cant have happened yet | Feb 17 06:54 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, The US military built it everything it needed | Feb 17 06:55 |
| DaemonFC | remember? | Feb 17 06:55 |
| cubezzz | was the first arnold terminator sentient? | Feb 17 06:55 |
| Ender2070_ | if you watched T2, you'll also remember that having the terminator chip salvaged from the first robot sped things up | Feb 17 06:55 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, It never had its learning ability turned on | Feb 17 06:55 |
| DaemonFC | it was just a robot that could roughly emulate human behavior | Feb 17 06:55 |
| cubezzz | another paradox | Feb 17 06:56 |
| cubezzz | where does the chip really come from? | Feb 17 06:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: the first terminator wasnt arnold | Feb 17 06:56 |
| Ender2070_ | the chip was the brain of the first robot | Feb 17 06:56 |
| DaemonFC | The Terminator that came to our universe in 1984 | Feb 17 06:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | it was just some shitty Wall-E with guns | Feb 17 06:56 |
| DaemonFC | it caused Skynet to come about here too | Feb 17 06:56 |
| cubezzz | ah, right | Feb 17 06:56 |
| cubezzz | do they go into how skynet controls the robots? | Feb 17 06:57 |
| DaemonFC | remember that guy saying they never would have thought about how to make a CPU that advanced without reverse engineering that one? | Feb 17 06:57 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 17 06:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: it hacks all the computers in the world | Feb 17 06:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | so, basically, skynet is a cloud application | Feb 17 06:57 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Skynet was the computer virus that they were tracking spread all over the internet | Feb 17 06:57 |
| Ender2070_ | thats in T3 | Feb 17 06:58 |
| cubezzz | oh ok | Feb 17 06:58 |
| Ender2070_ | think about this though | Feb 17 06:58 |
| DaemonFC | apparently something about it still needed humans to grant it more access before it could take over military equipment | Feb 17 06:58 |
| Ender2070_ | in T1 a robot had to have gone back in time | Feb 17 06:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, T3 botches that up | Feb 17 06:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: well its like this | Feb 17 06:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | you have three timelines | Feb 17 06:58 |
| cubezzz | the interesting part to me would be how skynet gets to sentience | Feb 17 06:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | in timeline one: cyberdine creates skynet, skynet cant win, sends arnold back in time | Feb 17 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | you could just resolve that by saying this happens across three universes | Feb 17 06:59 |
| Ender2070_ | if they stopped skynet in t2, causation would still cause the original skynet to exist that sent the first robot back | Feb 17 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | that we have seen | Feb 17 06:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | timeline two: T1 arrives in the past, fails, T2 arrives in the past, resistance wins | Feb 17 06:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | s/three/two/ | Feb 17 06:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | T3 cant happen because it starts in timeline two | Feb 17 06:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | it has to have happened in timeline one | Feb 17 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | right, they reprogrammed the T-800 in T2, and they reprogrammed a T-850 in T3 | Feb 17 06:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | the events of T3 cause a third timeline, but it spawns from timeline one | Feb 17 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | the T-850 was different in that it was powered by two hydrogen fuel cells | Feb 17 07:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | which means nobody in T3 can know the events of T1 and T2. | Feb 17 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | but he did reference events from T-2 | Feb 17 07:00 |
| cubezzz | when was skynet supposed to have become sentient? | Feb 17 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, August 22,1997 in the first timeline | Feb 17 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | and it nuked us a week later | Feb 17 07:00 |
| cubezzz | ha, rather optimistic | Feb 17 07:01 |
| cubezzz | in 1997 we really had win95 :) | Feb 17 07:01 |
| Ender2070_ | i think it was 1997 in the second timeline | Feb 17 07:01 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, It was turned on on the 13th, so it took 9 days to become self aware | Feb 17 07:01 |
| cubezzz | which was pretty scary though :) | Feb 17 07:01 |
| DaemonFC | and 7 days to decide it didn't like us | Feb 17 07:01 |
| cubezzz | yeah that part is very far fetched | Feb 17 07:01 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, It has access to all of our information through the internet and the ability to process it right away | Feb 17 07:02 |
| DaemonFC | it could probably "judge" us in 2-3 seconds now | Feb 17 07:02 |
| cubezzz | but I guess in 1984 they figured we would have AI in 1997 | Feb 17 07:02 |
| cubezzz | or something | Feb 17 07:02 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Military tech is always 20 years ahead of what you see now | Feb 17 07:03 |
| DaemonFC | remember that | Feb 17 07:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | well | Feb 17 07:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | dates are always wrong | Feb 17 07:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | always add 50 years to anything said in something | Feb 17 07:03 |
| Ender2070_ | how does John get born then | Feb 17 07:04 |
| cubezzz | another example: Space 1999 | Feb 17 07:04 |
| Ender2070_ | his dad was from a future that no longer exists | Feb 17 07:04 |
| cubezzz | we aren't anywhere near a base on the moon | Feb 17 07:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: thats the problem | Feb 17 07:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | in timeline one, he never does | Feb 17 07:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | in timeline two, he does | Feb 17 07:04 |
| Ender2070_ | well he helped in timeline two | Feb 17 07:05 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, The Eugenics Wars in 1997 from which Khan is produced, in Star Trek: TOS | Feb 17 07:05 |
| cubezzz | heh | Feb 17 07:05 |
| Ender2070_ | he had to have existed | Feb 17 07:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | in timeline three, he doesnt, but somehow he exists | Feb 17 07:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | timeline three contains t3, 4, and the tv show | Feb 17 07:05 |
| DaemonFC | the cryosleep they were in on the "Botany Bay" | Feb 17 07:05 |
| Ender2070_ | no | Feb 17 07:05 |
| cubezzz | 2001: A Space Odessey | Feb 17 07:05 |
| Ender2070_ | the tv show is its own | Feb 17 07:05 |
| Ender2070_ | it undoes t3 | Feb 17 07:05 |
| cubezzz | oops, wrong again :) | Feb 17 07:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: it undoes it in the sense that it actually goes and undoes it | Feb 17 07:05 |
| Ender2070_ | they go back in time and save sarah before she dies of cancer in t3 | Feb 17 07:05 |
| cubezzz | it's more than 50 years wrong, more like 150 | Feb 17 07:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @aashiks: #ViBGYOR2010 Listening to Sirithunga Jaisurya speaking about conflict in Srilanka in a south asian perspective | Feb 17 07:06 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @aashiks: #ViBGYOR2010 Sirithunga's speach was enlightening. Srilanka's problems are persistent as ever. | Feb 17 07:06 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @aashiks: #ViBGYOR2010 Gamini Viyengoda talks on threat to freedom of expression and democracy in south asia. | Feb 17 07:06 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @aashiks: #ViBGYOR2010 PV Satheesh on corporate invasion on food and agricultural commons. Interesting in the light of BT brinjal. | Feb 17 07:06 | |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, I'd just put the date as so far in the future that nobody watching the show could possibly be alive | Feb 17 07:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | the show says "t3 exists and now we changed the timeline" | Feb 17 07:06 |
| Ender2070_ | they completely change the events, as if T3 didnt occur | Feb 17 07:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | so yes, T3 does happen | Feb 17 07:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | it just spawns another timeline to make it not happen | Feb 17 07:06 |
| Ender2070_ | well yeah | Feb 17 07:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | so during the show you create a fourth. | Feb 17 07:06 |
| Ender2070_ | im having a hard time with your logic | Feb 17 07:06 |
| cubezzz | Star Trek may never happen | Feb 17 07:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: its basic temporal mechanics | Feb 17 07:06 |
| Ender2070_ | im not familiar with this | Feb 17 07:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | you can go back and undo something, but you cant undo something before you've presented it to the viewer | Feb 17 07:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @aashiks: #ViBGYOR2010 Interesting speech. Bringing out how green revolution killed the diversity in our farms. | Feb 17 07:07 | |
| Diablo-D3 | so T2 undoes the entire war | Feb 17 07:07 |
| Ender2070_ | im only vaguely familiar with parellel universe theory | Feb 17 07:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | T3 cant happen because it wasn't presented to the viewer first | Feb 17 07:07 |
| cubezzz | it's more like retroactive continuity | Feb 17 07:07 |
| Ender2070_ | i've heard one example | Feb 17 07:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: well, except we have actual time travel | Feb 17 07:07 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/17/world/europe/17france.html | Feb 17 07:07 |
| cubezzz | and things are whatever the writer says | Feb 17 07:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: watch back to the future. | Feb 17 07:07 |
| Ender2070_ | you CAN go back in time and kill your grandparents, because once you do you're in a parellel universe | Feb 17 07:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: yup | Feb 17 07:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: but the war never happens | Feb 17 07:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | so skynet cant go back and keep fucking with shit | Feb 17 07:08 |
| Ender2070_ | and the universe where they are still alive is still there but you're not in it | Feb 17 07:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: btw "yes" | Feb 17 07:08 |
| cubezzz | so it the Terminator series, it's parallel universes then? | Feb 17 07:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | you're not in it because you left | Feb 17 07:08 |
| Ender2070_ | yes | Feb 17 07:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: multiple caused by time travel | Feb 17 07:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: they all start from one, and it starts forking | Feb 17 07:08 |
| cubezzz | aha | Feb 17 07:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: all of them start at a time period before the terminator appears in 1984. | Feb 17 07:09 |
| cubezzz | well, as a computer person I knew we wouldn't have skynet in 1997 :) | Feb 17 07:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | all of them start at that period. | Feb 17 07:09 |
| Ender2070_ | many worlds theory is included in this too right? | Feb 17 07:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | in timeline 1, arnold doesnt appear because he wasnt sent back in time yet | Feb 17 07:09 |
| Ender2070_ | every decision spawns its own timeline | Feb 17 07:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | the present continues | Feb 17 07:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: every MAJOR decision | Feb 17 07:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: and that requires other things | Feb 17 07:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | and doesnt effect this | Feb 17 07:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | it just means we have collections of parallel timelines instead of just a handful | Feb 17 07:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | but they all move the same way | Feb 17 07:10 |
| cubezzz | accept, where does all the matter and energy come from? :) | Feb 17 07:10 |
| cubezzz | for the extra universes | Feb 17 07:10 |
| Ender2070_ | yeah i was listening to someone talk about this on a "conspiracy" radio station I listen to | Feb 17 07:10 |
| cubezzz | except | Feb 17 07:10 |
| Ender2070_ | lol | Feb 17 07:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: so, listen to this | Feb 17 07:10 |
| Ender2070_ | Anthony Peake | Feb 17 07:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | timeline 1) arnold doesnt appear, john isnt born, sarah doesnt go nuts, and in her old age skynet almost wins | Feb 17 07:11 |
| cubezzz | skynet never wins, because then you would have no more sequels :) | Feb 17 07:11 |
| Ender2070_ | also I do recall the blackboard discussion from doc brown regarding the "tangent" they created | Feb 17 07:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | timeline 2) arnold appears, john is born, sarah goes nuts, and in her old age skynet doesnt happen | Feb 17 07:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | timeline 3) MAGIC BULLSHIT, and somehow timeline 2 happens yet skynet still happens | Feb 17 07:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | even though we see sarah see judgement day come and pass with nothing happeneing. | Feb 17 07:12 |
| Ender2070_ | wait you missed one | Feb 17 07:12 |
| cubezzz | ok, in addition to the computer becoming sentient, you have the problem of time travel | Feb 17 07:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | problem is theres a plot hole that timeline 1 cant happen | Feb 17 07:12 |
| cubezzz | who invents the time machine in the first place? :) | Feb 17 07:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | er, 2 cant happen | Feb 17 07:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: probably skynet | Feb 17 07:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | 2 cant happen because theres no reason to know john conner could have existed | Feb 17 07:13 |
| cubezzz | time travel is just a plot device | Feb 17 07:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | so the terminator films never happened to begin with and skynet wins by default. | Feb 17 07:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, its just a plot device | Feb 17 07:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | so you can bullshit it once to get the ball rolling | Feb 17 07:13 |
| Ender2070_ | a deus ex machina | Feb 17 07:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | but T3 bullshits it again | Feb 17 07:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | so you end up with a third timeline that forks off in the middle of the second one | Feb 17 07:14 |
| cubezzz | I'll just pull a time machine out of my ass .... :-) | Feb 17 07:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | where T1 and T2 happen, but T2's ending is rewritten to make T3 continue | Feb 17 07:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | and the TV show does all sorts of weird shit | Feb 17 07:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im trying to follow the plot here, but what the hell | Feb 17 07:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | you have a T-1000 fighting against skynet | Feb 17 07:15 |
| cubezzz | I'll say _forward_ time travel is possible, not back | Feb 17 07:15 |
| Ender2070_ | the tv show seems to start off with T2's ending | Feb 17 07:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: except it cant | Feb 17 07:15 |
| cubezzz | freeze a guy, wake him up in 100 years | Feb 17 07:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: theres only two people who actually know the future happened | Feb 17 07:15 |
| cubezzz | biological time travel | Feb 17 07:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: or rather, didnt happen | Feb 17 07:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: everyone else is dead. | Feb 17 07:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: the terminators were never sent back in time to stop john conner because they were never invented | Feb 17 07:15 |
| Ender2070_ | they play on the assumption that skynet would have come into existance at a later date | Feb 17 07:15 |
| cubezzz | Time Cop was another movie full of holes | Feb 17 07:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | which means john conner was never born | Feb 17 07:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | which means skynet wins | Feb 17 07:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | since john conner cant be born since john's father is never sent back in time | Feb 17 07:16 |
| Ender2070_ | well im sure the writers dont know anything about what you've been educating me with | Feb 17 07:16 |
| cubezzz | is there going to be another sequel? | Feb 17 07:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: its basic logic | Feb 17 07:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: john's father has to be sent back in time for a reason | Feb 17 07:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | he wasnt sent back in time to stop skynet | Feb 17 07:17 |
| Ender2070_ | he was sent back in time to save sarah | Feb 17 07:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | exactly | Feb 17 07:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | who was a nobody | Feb 17 07:17 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] F13 has been branched ;-). Now you can build and push your packages for F13 | Feb 17 07:17 | |
| Diablo-D3 | since the resistence never happened | Feb 17 07:17 |
| Ender2070_ | no | Feb 17 07:17 |
| Ender2070_ | the resistence did happen | Feb 17 07:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | nope, john wasnt born | Feb 17 07:17 |
| Ender2070_ | he told her about how they kicked skynets ass | Feb 17 07:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: thats the problem | Feb 17 07:17 |
| Ender2070_ | her son helped him | Feb 17 07:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | john conner helped them | Feb 17 07:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | who was never born | Feb 17 07:17 |
| Ender2070_ | theres a plot hole | Feb 17 07:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | because he was never sent back in time to be his father | Feb 17 07:18 |
| Ender2070_ | in the first place | Feb 17 07:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: yes | Feb 17 07:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | and its fixed very easily if he tried to stop skynet | Feb 17 07:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | instead of protect sarah | Feb 17 07:18 |
| Ender2070_ | true | Feb 17 07:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | sarah was a nobody because john was never born because he was never sent back in time because they never met john because he was never born | Feb 17 07:18 |
| cubezzz | T2 was a few years into the future too wasn't it? | Feb 17 07:19 |
| Ender2070_ | i understand that part | Feb 17 07:19 |
| cubezzz | 1991 -> 1995 | Feb 17 07:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | if he was sent back in time to stop skynet | Feb 17 07:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | then he just happens to meet sarah randomly and fuck her brains out | Feb 17 07:19 |
| Ender2070_ | yeah i know where you're going with that logic | Feb 17 07:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | which means the terminator can actually be legitimately sent to kill sarah | Feb 17 07:19 |
| Ender2070_ | however thats not how they wrote the story | Feb 17 07:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | nope, because they suck at temporal mechanics | Feb 17 07:20 |
| Ender2070_ | yes | Feb 17 07:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | but it doesnt let T3 happen | Feb 17 07:20 |
| Ender2070_ | it was the 80's | Feb 17 07:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude | Feb 17 07:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | they were doing perfectly fine time travel stories in the 40s | Feb 17 07:20 |
| Ender2070_ | oh thats not what i meant | Feb 17 07:20 |
| Ender2070_ | you ever notice that nothing out of the 80's made sense? | Feb 17 07:20 |
| cubezzz | like Culture Club? :) | Feb 17 07:21 |
| Ender2070_ | i dunno | Feb 17 07:21 |
| Ender2070_ | i saw rambo fly a tank into a helicopter | Feb 17 07:21 |
| cubezzz | I lived the 80's :) | Feb 17 07:21 |
| Ender2070_ | rambo also had a wound, he poured gunpowder in it and set it on fire to stop the bleeding | Feb 17 07:21 |
| Ender2070_ | come on | Feb 17 07:21 |
| Ender2070_ | not to mention Heavy Metal | Feb 17 07:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: the 80s were fun that way | Feb 17 07:22 |
| cubezzz | Rambo ;-) | Feb 17 07:22 |
| Ender2070_ | yes :D | Feb 17 07:22 |
| cubezzz | yeah I didn't take Rambo seriously :) | Feb 17 07:22 |
| Ender2070_ | fun but not always logical | Feb 17 07:22 |
| Ender2070_ | this is an interesting topic though, recommend any books on it? | Feb 17 07:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | ntw | Feb 17 07:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | due to really fucked up time fuckery | Feb 17 07:23 |
| cubezzz | well evidently the 4th film was the worst? | Feb 17 07:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | skynet will be open for business april 21st 2011 | Feb 17 07:23 |
| Ender2070_ | Christian Bale | Feb 17 07:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | and probably wont happen | Feb 17 07:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | since christian bale is too busy being the fucking batman | Feb 17 07:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] When do we get to web 2.1? and more to the point WTF is in web 2.1 that we don't already have? Curious minds want to know. | Feb 17 07:24 | |
| cubezzz | H. G. Wells’ The Time Machine was a good story | Feb 17 07:24 |
| Ender2070_ | batman is the type of character that anyone can play well, so its not like people know he sucks | Feb 17 07:24 |
| cubezzz | but once again, implausible | Feb 17 07:24 |
| Ender2070_ | i saw Christian Bales other movie that sucked | Feb 17 07:25 |
| cubezzz | even A Christmas Carol could be considered to be a time travel story, that actually could work | Feb 17 07:25 |
| cubezzz | they go back in time as phantoms that can't change the past | Feb 17 07:25 |
| Ender2070_ | jesus fucking christ | Feb 17 07:25 |
| Ender2070_ | hes listed for T5 | Feb 17 07:25 |
| cubezzz | and go into a _possible_ future | Feb 17 07:25 |
| cubezzz | Hawking once suggested that the absence of tourists from the future constitutes an argument against the existence of time travel | Feb 17 07:26 |
| cubezzz | so no Ahh-nold :) | Feb 17 07:26 |
| Ender2070_ | they should at least pull an asimov and say that each movie exists within its own parellel universe | Feb 17 07:26 |
| Ender2070_ | Equilibrium - bad movie, bad christian bale | Feb 17 07:27 |
| Ender2070_ | err, not asimov | Feb 17 07:27 |
| Ender2070_ | Arther C Clarke | Feb 17 07:27 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070_, The one with the drugs to suppress emotions? | Feb 17 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | I'd take them | Feb 17 07:28 |
| Ender2070_ | lol | Feb 17 07:28 |
| Ender2070_ | its called paxil | Feb 17 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | been on it | Feb 17 07:28 |
| Ender2070_ | you haven't killed youself yet? | Feb 17 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | no | Feb 17 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | that would be most illogical | Feb 17 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Feb 17 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070_, I wish there was a pill that did that because I would like to be able to make a good assessment of situations, unhindered by emotion | Feb 17 07:29 |
| DaemonFC | not giving a damn would make me a more objective observer of my life :D | Feb 17 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070_, I'm on Lithium | Feb 17 07:31 |
| DaemonFC | actually | Feb 17 07:31 |
| Ender2070_ | the same "Lithium is a soft, silver-white metal that belongs to the alkali metal group of chemical elements." | Feb 17 07:31 |
| DaemonFC | have been on Lithium for about three years | Feb 17 07:31 |
| Ender2070_ | ? | Feb 17 07:32 |
| DaemonFC | I guess that would be the one | Feb 17 07:32 |
| DaemonFC | Lithium Carbonate, 300 mg, take two pills, twice per day | Feb 17 07:32 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 17 07:32 |
| Ender2070_ | doesnt sound very safe | Feb 17 07:32 |
| DaemonFC | safer than not taking them :) | Feb 17 07:33 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070_, How does an "armed escort" to go see the doctor sound? | Feb 17 07:34 |
| Ender2070_ | stop threatening people | Feb 17 07:34 |
| Ender2070_ | LOL | Feb 17 07:34 |
| DaemonFC | not threatening anyone | Feb 17 07:34 |
| DaemonFC | threatening means you didn't do anything | Feb 17 07:34 |
| Ender2070_ | ok, stop assaulting people | Feb 17 07:34 |
| DaemonFC | that's better, thank you | Feb 17 07:35 |
| Ender2070_ | if someone required I have an armed escort, i might want to do that before injecting myself with metals | Feb 17 07:35 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070_, The first time was when I got into a fight with my step-dad | Feb 17 07:35 |
| DaemonFC | he pulled a knife on me, I got it away from him, and stabbed him through the hand with it | Feb 17 07:36 |
| DaemonFC | that's the first time | Feb 17 07:36 |
| Ender2070_ | self defense | Feb 17 07:36 |
| Ender2070_ | understandable | Feb 17 07:36 |
| DaemonFC | the second time was when he came home drunk and thought he'd pick a fight with me | Feb 17 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't live there at the time, I was just over there | Feb 17 07:37 |
| Ender2070_ | perhaps he needs the lithium | Feb 17 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | he took a swing at me, missed and hit the wall, and broke three fingers | Feb 17 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | well, my mom didn't want him to go to prison so she just told the police I was a mental patient again | Feb 17 07:38 |
| DaemonFC | and off I went | Feb 17 07:38 |
| DaemonFC | err, jail | Feb 17 07:38 |
| DaemonFC | whatever | Feb 17 07:38 |
| Ender2070_ | yeah it doesnt sound like you need it | Feb 17 07:39 |
| Ender2070_ | they do | Feb 17 07:39 |
| DaemonFC | third time, my ex left and I went to go lay on the railroad tracks about 200 feet over from my house | Feb 17 07:39 |
| DaemonFC | and the police saw me do it, and took me to the mental health center | Feb 17 07:39 |
| DaemonFC | hooray | Feb 17 07:39 |
| DaemonFC | oh, the doctor tried putting me on Abilify too | Feb 17 07:40 |
| DaemonFC | makes you feel like you've had about 8 shots of whiskey at all times and are about ready to fall over | Feb 17 07:41 |
| DaemonFC | can't drive, can't walk, can't even sit or lay down | Feb 17 07:41 |
| DaemonFC | the world keeps spinning even if you close your eyes | Feb 17 07:41 |
| DaemonFC | took myself off of that | Feb 17 07:41 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070_, His kids are always in jail | Feb 17 07:42 |
| DaemonFC | drugs mostly | Feb 17 07:42 |
| Ender2070_ | yeah | Feb 17 07:42 |
| DaemonFC | one of them is in right now for meth lab | Feb 17 07:42 |
| Ender2070_ | you should escape to Canada and live a happy life | Feb 17 07:42 |
| DaemonFC | his daughter's husband blew his car up while it was moving by lighting a cigarette next to meth lab supplies | Feb 17 07:43 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 17 07:43 |
| Ender2070_ | without everyone trying to kill you, stress will go down | Feb 17 07:43 |
| Ender2070_ | you'll be able to function without meds | Feb 17 07:43 |
| DaemonFC | he's in prison until 2020, up for parole in 2017 | Feb 17 07:43 |
| Ender2070_ | rofl | Feb 17 07:43 |
| DaemonFC | had 2nd degree burns | Feb 17 07:44 |
| DaemonFC | had to bail out and roll down the street while his car was busy crashing into a streetlight | Feb 17 07:44 |
| DaemonFC | I was reading a story about it the next day and kept saying "No way, no fucking way!!!" | Feb 17 07:45 |
| Ender2070_ | lol | Feb 17 07:46 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090610/NEWS/906100348 | Feb 17 07:47 |
| DaemonFC | A man suspected of operating a mobile methamphetamine lab was charged after the vehicle caught fire and crashed Monday evening in Huntington. | Feb 17 07:47 |
| DaemonFC | Shawn M. Burnworth, 32, of Huntington was driving when a passenger compartment caught fire, according to an Indiana State Police report. Burnworth jumped out of the car as it continued west on Etna Street, striking a light pole. | Feb 17 07:47 |
| DaemonFC | Materials used to produce methamphetamine were found in the vehicle, according to the report, and Burnworth was later arrested at St. Joseph Hospital and charged with operating a mobile meth lab. | Feb 17 07:47 |
| Ender2070_ | Diablo-D3 - Just as 2010: Odyssey Two was not a direct sequel to 2001: A Space Odyssey, so this book is not a linear sequel to 2010. They must all be considered as variations on the same theme, involving many of the same characters and situations, but not necessarily happening in the same universe. | Feb 17 07:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: except thats by design | Feb 17 07:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | each of the four novels exist in a different universe. | Feb 17 07:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're not parallel to each other | Feb 17 07:49 |
| Ender2070_ | true | Feb 17 07:49 |
| Ender2070_ | however you might expect it if you don't research the author | Feb 17 07:49 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=447164 | Feb 17 07:49 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20090609/LOCAL07/906099864/1043/LOCAL07 | Feb 17 07:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you dont notice it between 2001 and 2010, you will between 2050 and 3001 | Feb 17 07:50 |
| Ender2070_ | 2061 | Feb 17 07:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | whatever the third book is | Feb 17 07:50 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070_, You can actually get thrown in prison for buying too many cold pills | Feb 17 07:51 |
| DaemonFC | and the sentence is almost as bad as making meth | Feb 17 07:51 |
| cubezzz | there was a Time Odessey too I think | Feb 17 07:51 |
| cubezzz | aliens wanted to exterminate all life or something | Feb 17 07:52 |
| DaemonFC | there was a guy not long ago that was charged with buying to much Sudafed when his entire family had colds and needed some | Feb 17 07:52 |
| cubezzz | ah, too much Sudafed :) | Feb 17 07:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: dude, thats just dr who. | Feb 17 07:54 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Time_Odyssey | Feb 17 07:56 |
| cubezzz | "In the Time Odyssey series, not-so-benevolent godlike aliens start an endless mission to regulate the development of sentient life in the Universe, in order to prevent all other species from harnessing too much of its energy, which would only accelerate the inevitable entropic death of the Universe, thus rendering sentient life impossible at the end of the universe. Consequently, these "Firstborn" are destroying other intelligent species." | Feb 17 07:56 |
| cubezzz | still stars burn out on their own | Feb 17 07:57 |
| cubezzz | might be worth a read though | Feb 17 07:58 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu One stores your backus on an Amazon server in the USA | Feb 17 08:07 |
| DaemonFC | so much for privacy | Feb 17 08:07 |
| Ender2070_ | http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/John_Henry | Feb 17 08:10 |
| DaemonFC | that TJ's Chicken sub was good, but it's not agreeing with me | Feb 17 08:16 |
| DaemonFC | I may have to throw my coat on and go to the drug store :P | Feb 17 08:16 |
| cubezzz | "In its infancy as a humble chess program, John Henry also displayed humor and boredom, as well as curiosity and child-like joy." | Feb 17 08:26 |
| cubezzz | see, that's not the reality of it | Feb 17 08:26 |
| cubezzz | there are chess programs, largely they are just shuffling numbers | Feb 17 08:27 |
| cubezzz | the rest is just anthropomorphizing | Feb 17 08:27 |
| cubezzz | a chess program feels no elation over winning, or sorrow over losing | Feb 17 08:28 |
| cubezzz | your John Henry as a sentient computer is simply fiction | Feb 17 08:28 |
| cubezzz | if you could get a computer to do what a human baby does... then you would have something | Feb 17 08:29 |
| Ender2070_ | umm | Feb 17 08:30 |
| Ender2070_ | terminator isn't based on any real life events | Feb 17 08:30 |
| schestowitz | [03:10] <DaemonFC> Just as well NASA is being killed off by Obama | Feb 17 08:30 |
| schestowitz | You man, Bush | Feb 17 08:30 |
| schestowitz | It's not Obama to increase and almos doubled the deficit for Cheney and his Gang | Feb 17 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | Obama is a major enemy of the space program | Feb 17 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | seems to be a pattern with Dems | Feb 17 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | less space program, more welfare programs | Feb 17 08:31 |
| cubezzz | right, it's fictional, my point :) | Feb 17 08:31 |
| cubezzz | there is no AI | Feb 17 08:32 |
| cubezzz | try writing a program to _learn_ how to play chess sometime | Feb 17 08:33 |
| cubezzz | it's all driven by human programmers | Feb 17 08:33 |
| cubezzz | the machine doesn't learn anything | Feb 17 08:33 |
| cubezzz | it's never been done as far as I know... | Feb 17 08:35 |
| cubezzz | all chess programs are the same | Feb 17 08:35 |
| cubezzz | the human programmer writes it, not the machine | Feb 17 08:36 |
| cubezzz | all the machine does is execute the instructions written by the programmer | Feb 17 08:36 |
| cubezzz | thus stories like Terminator are ridiculous | Feb 17 08:36 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Why does Novell list Mandriva as using AppArmor | Feb 17 08:38 |
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| phIRCe-BNc | Hello World! | Feb 17 08:39 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: where? | Feb 17 08:42 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Apparmor | Feb 17 08:42 |
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| schestowitz | Is it still maintained (the web page)? | Feb 17 08:44 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/16/purpose-mono-reliance/#comments | Feb 17 08:50 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: What Apple Teaches Us About Mono and Moonlight | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 91.46 KB | Feb 17 08:50 |
| schestowitz | "Correction, Roy. I'm now an Ubuntu (9.10) user. The Mac has been retired, though I continue to appreciate Apple's design aesthetic (and, yes, continue to believe both that OO.org must significantly improve and that it is chasing a 21st Century computing experience)." | Feb 17 08:50 |
| oiaohm | http://www.bangkokpost.com/tech/technews/32664/when-windows-can-mean-life-or-death | Feb 17 08:50 |
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| Ender2070_ | Diablo-D3 - The episodes "The Turk", "Queen's Gambit", and "Dungeons & Dragons" suggest that after the death of Dr. Miles Bennett Dyson and the decline of the Cyberdyne Corporation, Andrew Goode, a young intern of the company and assistant to Dyson, would continue their project privately under an advance artificial intelligence chess playing prototype, The Turk, with Goode's partner, Dimitri Shipkov. | Feb 17 08:52 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Ubuntu can be made to look like a Mac | Feb 17 08:52 |
| DaemonFC | I've seen it done | Feb 17 08:52 |
| oiaohm | All Linux's can be made look like a Mac. | Feb 17 08:53 |
| oiaohm | problem is it don't act like a mac | Feb 17 08:53 |
| oiaohm | Some areas graphical configuration tools of Linux still need a lot of work. | Feb 17 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/5686/screenshotpd.png | Feb 17 08:54 |
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| DaemonFC | from the other day, was playing around | Feb 17 08:54 |
| oiaohm | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/ Boy lots of phones | Feb 17 08:57 |
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| DaemonFC | I got some cinnamon tea, wonder if it's any good | Feb 17 09:07 |
| Ender2070_ | http://dailyreckoning.com/greece-to-make-all-large-cash-transactions-illegal/ | Feb 17 09:08 |
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| DaemonFC | Ender2070_, Nazi stormtroopers are your friends, don't run. :) | Feb 17 09:10 |
| Ender2070_ | http://www.cfr.org/publication/21374/carbon_markets_march_on.html?breadcrumb=/issue/17/energyenvironment | Feb 17 09:16 |
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| Ender2070_ | carbon markets are such a scam | Feb 17 09:16 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] LMAO : http://www.dontevenreply.com/view.php?post=84 | Feb 17 09:17 | |
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| Ender2070_ | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250905/45-shops-bribe-cervical-cancer-jab.html | Feb 17 09:18 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Law Abiding Citizen, good movie so far | Feb 17 09:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just realised that I moved Mumbuntu from a Compaq _evo_ to an Acer _revo_. I should blog this stuff :) | Feb 17 09:36 | |
| DaemonFC | jesus christ!!!! Awesome Movie!!!!! | Feb 17 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | judge just got her head blown off by her cell phone, LOL | Feb 17 09:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Comes vs #Microsoft Case Shows How Microsoft Actively Attacked http://ur1.ca/mk2d #Innovation #antitrust #netpc #apple | Feb 17 09:57 | |
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| cubezzz | is it possible to set the wm so that a newly launched program doesn't automatically grab focus? | Feb 17 10:20 |
| cubezzz | OEMs, Intel and M$ colluding to keep prices high <- yes | Feb 17 10:21 |
| cubezzz | indeed, that's why I'm looking for ARM based devices | Feb 17 10:22 |
| cubezzz | uh, typo :) | Feb 17 10:24 |
| cubezzz | "–U.S. District fudge Stanley Sporkin" | Feb 17 10:24 |
| cubezzz | I'm pretty sure you mean District judge there :) | Feb 17 10:24 |
| oiaohm | http://durian.blender.org/news/community-modeling-sprint/ The longer this blender movie is going the more interesting its getting. | Feb 17 10:28 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/RIM-switching-to-open-source-WebKit-932717.html One less render engine for sites to worry about. | Feb 17 10:37 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows #Phone 7 Falls on Its Face and #Microsoft Still Wants #Patent Royalties on #Linux Phones http://ur1.ca/mk57 | Feb 17 10:42 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] European Parliament points to the high cost of the patent system for SMEs, and the threat of litigation of patent trolls: http://i5.be/aul | Feb 17 10:47 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-02-17-stimulus-funds_N.htm | Feb 17 10:51 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] New blog post: 'Mumbuntu - a computer for my mum' http://bit.ly/9wnvHS - first of many posts on this topic. | Feb 17 10:52 | |
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| DaemonFC | "[Obama's] cuts are minuscule compared to his spending.. it's like focusing on your penny jar as a means to save while maxing out your credit cards." | Feb 17 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | I like that | Feb 17 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Feb 17 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | the piggy bank is definitely an anachronism though. Use debit and credit and you don't get change. | Feb 17 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | Must be causing an awful lot of unemployment in the piggy bank manufacturing sector | Feb 17 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 17 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/16/AR2010021605762.html?hpid=moreheadlines | Feb 17 10:57 |
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| DaemonFC | Event: A massive cyber attack has turned the cellphones and computers of tens of millions of Americans into weapons to shut down the Internet. | Feb 17 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | Any guesses what software they're running? | Feb 17 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | Yes, enough people have been convinced that they need a Windows PC that this could conceivably happen | Feb 17 10:59 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Não é só o Sócrates! É a conspiração anti-socialista! *grin* ♺ @JNegocios: Zapatero sob fogo cerrado da oposição http://xl.pt/r/bBWtqB | Feb 17 11:20 | |
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| DaemonFC | I need to take a cold shower with my clothes on | Feb 17 11:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 17 11:37 |
| schestowitz | Eller was in ACT, the advanced consumer technology group, | Feb 17 11:37 |
| schestowitz | which Myhrvold had recently set up. Gates had decided to make | Feb 17 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft the first software company with an internal division fully | Feb 17 11:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 17 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Heh. ANother ACT. | Feb 17 11:38 |
| *DaemonFC murders the Gracenote people for tagging some of my music Nu-Metal | Feb 17 11:53 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Icahn Takes Next Step in #Microsoft ’s Proxy Battle, IE8 Demotes #Google http://ur1.ca/mk8a it's like watching gangsters | Feb 17 11:54 | |
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| cubezzz | ok, lynx can't do javasript | Feb 17 11:54 |
| DaemonFC | right | Feb 17 11:54 |
| cubezzz | that's why I can't use my router with lynx | Feb 17 11:54 |
| DaemonFC | point coming? | Feb 17 11:54 |
| cubezzz | ^^^ | Feb 17 11:54 |
| cubezzz | the router software uses tons of javascipt | Feb 17 11:55 |
| cubezzz | javascript | Feb 17 11:55 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Linksys does it | Feb 17 11:55 |
| DaemonFC | I try to keep my stuff going until it won't power on anymore | Feb 17 11:55 |
| cubezzz | that means I have to use X | Feb 17 11:56 |
| DaemonFC | I still had a 802.11b router until last year | Feb 17 11:56 |
| cubezzz | unless there's some other lynx like browser that can understand javascript | Feb 17 11:56 |
| DaemonFC | swear it had better range than the 802.11g router I have now | Feb 17 11:56 |
| cubezzz | slower speed might have better range | Feb 17 11:57 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.illwillpress.com/MOTIVATE22.html | Feb 17 11:58 |
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| DaemonFC | I think I've done everything I never wanted to do in life besides scrubbing toilets and flipping burgers | Feb 17 11:59 |
| DaemonFC | if it ever comes to that, they'll find my lifeless corpse hanging by my belt | Feb 17 12:00 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 17 12:00 |
| cubezzz | elinks might work | Feb 17 12:04 |
| cubezzz | heh, a colour coded make | Feb 17 12:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Why do I bother... really... *sigh*. Dumb fucks. | Feb 17 12:08 | |
| DaemonFC | that was out of context | Feb 17 12:08 |
| cubezzz | yeah that really added a lot :-/ | Feb 17 12:11 |
| cubezzz | ok, one major advantage with using lynx or links, I can surf slashdot a lot faster and no ads | Feb 17 12:12 |
| cubezzz | in this case, no javascript is a plus | Feb 17 12:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] New Blog Post: "A Clean Slate" (another mumbuntu post) http://bit.ly/bdeism | Feb 17 12:16 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: A Clean Slate | popey.com blog .::. Size~: 24.06 KB | Feb 17 12:16 |
| schestowitz | "Want to get someone off IE6? Put these 11 characters into the address bar and hit enter: ms-its:%F0:. The browser will instantly crash. Better yet, set it as their homepage. " http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/02/-want-to-get-someone.ars | Feb 17 12:35 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Want to get someone off IE6? Put these 11 characters into the address bar and hit enter: ms-its:%F0:. The browser will instantly crash. Better yet, set it as their homepage. .::. Size~: 22.47 KB | Feb 17 12:35 |
| cubezzz | heh | Feb 17 12:35 |
| cubezzz | uh, I mean to say "IE6, what is that?" | Feb 17 12:36 |
| schestowitz | > Hi, Roy, | Feb 17 12:36 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 17 12:36 |
| schestowitz | > Here's a competitor to the others: | Feb 17 12:36 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 17 12:36 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.cuil.com/info/webmaster_info/ | Feb 17 12:36 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Cuil - Webmaster Info .::. Size~: 5.97 KB | Feb 17 12:36 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 17 12:36 |
| schestowitz | > If you submit BN links there, perhaps they will get indexed. | Feb 17 12:36 |
| DaemonFC | Doesn't work on IE 6 SP3 | Feb 17 12:36 |
| cubezzz | you're still using doze??? Nelson says "HA HA" | Feb 17 12:37 |
| cubezzz | that's the stupid part, IE whatever could be the worst shit imaginable but people would still use it | Feb 17 12:38 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, The replies say it doesn't work on IE 6 SP3 | Feb 17 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | I don't have IE 6 | Feb 17 12:40 |
| cubezzz | so you're not on doze then? | Feb 17 12:41 |
| DaemonFC | not on this system | Feb 17 12:41 |
| cubezzz | uh huh | Feb 17 12:42 |
| DaemonFC | http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-ww-monthly-200807-201002 | Feb 17 12:43 |
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| DaemonFC | July 2008 to now | Feb 17 12:44 |
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| DaemonFC | IE very briefly had a small surge when IE 8 came out, but then it kept falling | Feb 17 12:44 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVNQUnjrnsU | Feb 17 12:46 |
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| DaemonFC | Aliens as produced on a Canadian budget | Feb 17 12:47 |
| DaemonFC | lulz | Feb 17 12:47 |
| cubezzz | IE and Firefox are converging | Feb 17 12:47 |
| cubezzz | actually that is encouraging | Feb 17 12:48 |
| cubezzz | FF has nearly a third of the market | Feb 17 12:48 |
| DaemonFC | Google is spamming the shit out of Chrome | Feb 17 12:49 |
| DaemonFC | that's part of the reason IE is going down faster lately | Feb 17 12:50 |
| DaemonFC | Chrome by itself managed to bite off a few percent of IE over the last few months | Feb 17 12:51 |
| cubezzz | Java ME is the 4th most popular OS | Feb 17 12:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Response to a poor defense of #Microsoft ’s immoral and sometimes illegal behaviour http://ur1.ca/mkbf #ubuntu #tax | Feb 17 12:55 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Nobody is Born a Microsoft Employee | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 99.4 KB | Feb 17 12:55 |
| cubezzz | why is everyone still saying Linux is at 1% market share? | Feb 17 12:57 |
| cubezzz | it's got to be higher than that | Feb 17 12:57 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmmmmm.... :-( http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1389 | Feb 17 13:02 |
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| cubezzz | damned OEMs | Feb 17 13:02 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: who sez that?? | Feb 17 13:02 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/GNU/Linux_Market_Share | Feb 17 13:03 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: GNU/Linux Market Share - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 19.29 KB | Feb 17 13:03 |
| cubezzz | Wikipedia and everywhere | Feb 17 13:03 |
| schestowitz | Oh yeah... and Iraq has WoMDs... | Feb 17 13:03 |
| schestowitz | I saw it in many papers, so it's jus true. | Feb 17 13:03 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux#Market_share_and_uptake | Feb 17 13:03 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Linux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 264.17 KB | Feb 17 13:03 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Because they've ALL been bribed of course | Feb 17 13:03 |
| DaemonFC | only explanation ;) | Feb 17 13:03 |
| cubezzz | well, I can't comment | Feb 17 13:03 |
| cubezzz | other than to express my disappointment | Feb 17 13:04 |
| schestowitz | I used to be cited in this article, I think | Feb 17 13:04 |
| schestowitz | Either way, it's AstroTurfed | Feb 17 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems | Feb 17 13:04 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Usage share of operating systems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 90.69 KB | Feb 17 13:04 |
| cubezzz | there's no way it's 1% | Feb 17 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | Linux (1.04%) | Feb 17 13:04 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw does not echo this lie, either | Feb 17 13:04 |
| cubezzz | yeah, that's what it says, median of various sources too | Feb 17 13:04 |
| schestowitz | Even Gangstr Group (Microsoft's shill) says Linux has 4% market share | Feb 17 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | What lie to they echo? | Feb 17 13:05 |
| schestowitz | Or 3% | Feb 17 13:05 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 17 13:05 |
| DaemonFC | *do | Feb 17 13:05 |
| schestowitz | A year or so ago... maybe 2 | Feb 17 13:05 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: median of many sources on Iraw also said there are WoMD | Feb 17 13:05 |
| cubezzz | my tv's linux, my computers are all linux, my router is Linux, my PDA is linux | Feb 17 13:05 |
| schestowitz | Those sources are US-oreinted | Feb 17 13:05 |
| schestowitz | Rich countries | Feb 17 13:05 |
| schestowitz | Those that supply logs | Feb 17 13:05 |
| schestowitz | Not sites like BN where half the people use Linux | Feb 17 13:05 |
| cubezzz | I'm about as Linuxy as you can get | Feb 17 13:05 |
| schestowitz | These are invisible to "stats" | Feb 17 13:06 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Well, you know that yours would be heavily biased | Feb 17 13:06 |
| schestowitz | Another thing is, they frame the debate as "desktop" | Feb 17 13:06 |
| DaemonFC | Who else would go there? | Feb 17 13:06 |
| schestowitz | They try to judge something that makes them look good | Feb 17 13:06 |
| schestowitz | It's the Analysts Lie 101 | Feb 17 13:06 |
| cubezzz | market share, it says "Market Share" not desktop | Feb 17 13:06 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 17 13:06 |
| schestowitz | Part of the deception | Feb 17 13:06 |
| schestowitz | In server they measure revenue | Feb 17 13:07 |
| schestowitz | On purpose | Feb 17 13:07 |
| cubezzz | oh sorry, wikipedia does in fact say Desktop | Feb 17 13:07 |
| schestowitz | It's designed to deceive/glorify | Feb 17 13:07 |
| cubezzz | yeah | Feb 17 13:07 |
| schestowitz | Don't waste time on it | Feb 17 13:07 |
| cubezzz | well, that's because of the stupid OEMs | Feb 17 13:07 |
| schestowitz | The deployments of Linux are well recorded | Feb 17 13:07 |
| schestowitz | And the figures, too | Feb 17 13:07 |
| cubezzz | stupid and gutless | Feb 17 13:07 |
| schestowitz | Not treue | Feb 17 13:07 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, what would you figure the real market share of linux is, everything included? | Feb 17 13:08 |
| schestowitz | In China and Brazil, many OEMs sell with Linux | Feb 17 13:08 |
| schestowitz | Maybe over 50%, iirc | Feb 17 13:08 |
| schestowitz | You'd be surprised | Feb 17 13:08 |
| schestowitz | In South America in particular | Feb 17 13:08 |
| schestowitz | In Russian it's just unpaid-for Windows | Feb 17 13:08 |
| schestowitz | I.e. zero profit to the Vole | Feb 17 13:08 |
| schestowitz | Else they go to Linux preinstalls | Feb 17 13:08 |
| schestowitz | KDE4 improves a lot | Feb 17 13:08 |
| cubezzz | I'm seriously considering selling computers again | Feb 17 13:08 |
| schestowitz | So people can't justify paying for Win32 to run Firefox and Conficker | Feb 17 13:09 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: OEMs do | Feb 17 13:09 |
| schestowitz | HP, Dell.. | Feb 17 13:09 |
| schestowitz | Sub-notebooks with Android/Linux | Feb 17 13:09 |
| schestowitz | It's already happening | Feb 17 13:09 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it doesn't qualify as "Desktop" yet | Feb 17 13:09 |
| schestowitz | Who cares... | Feb 17 13:09 |
| cubezzz | I have Dell's Feb 2010 catalog | Feb 17 13:09 |
| cubezzz | it's all doze | Feb 17 13:09 |
| MinceR | android is too dumb for the desktop :> | Feb 17 13:10 |
| cubezzz | dell.ca/febcat | Feb 17 13:10 |
| cubezzz | http://dell.ca/febcat | Feb 17 13:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Two modern computer games (WoW and CS) running under #GNU #Linux even at the same time on multiple screens http://ur1.ca/mkdt | Feb 17 13:12 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Demo of Dual-head Dual-game GNU/Linux Machine | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 85.02 KB | Feb 17 13:12 |
| schestowitz | Linux not good for gamers, eh? | Feb 17 13:12 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: Dell Europe | Feb 17 13:12 |
| schestowitz | Not English-speaking nations | Feb 17 13:12 |
| cubezzz | I never said Linux was not good for gamers :) | Feb 17 13:13 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Feb 17 13:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/43213 | Feb 17 13:14 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Linux Box to Market Ubuntu to U.S. Enterprise Users | tuxmachines.org .::. Size~: 30.1 KB | Feb 17 13:14 |
| cubezzz | I played my fair share of games | Feb 17 13:14 |
| schestowitz | "Launched in October 2004, Ubuntu is one of the most highly regarded Linux distributions in the world with more than 10 million users." | Feb 17 13:14 |
| schestowitz | Fedora claims 20 million installations | Feb 17 13:14 |
| schestowitz | But Debian is huge | Feb 17 13:14 |
| schestowitz | In places like Brazil | Feb 17 13:15 |
| cubezzz | Dell.ca sells one laptop with Ubuntu | Feb 17 13:17 |
| cubezzz | pfffft | Feb 17 13:17 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.canonical.com/?p=330 | Feb 17 13:17 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Canonical Blog » Blog Archive » Ubuntu single sign on service launched .::. Size~: 12.49 KB | Feb 17 13:17 |
| cubezzz | way to go Dell, you gave those Microsoft guys what for :-/ | Feb 17 13:17 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: that's OK | Feb 17 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Better than some other countries | Feb 17 13:17 |
| schestowitz | http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10015131o-114626b,00.htm | Feb 17 13:18 |
| schestowitz | "Freeform Dynamics's new survey "of 1,275 IT professionals from the UK, USA, and other geographies" has just been published. Two-thirds of respondents said that cutting costs was a prime mover behind their decisions to switch to Linux on the desktop but that user acceptance was a key consideration in the decision to do so." | Feb 17 13:18 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Community on ZDNet UK .::. Size~: 112.66 KB | Feb 17 13:18 |
| cubezzz | I should write a little script to check ebay for "arm cpu" | Feb 17 13:19 |
| schestowitz | Hahahahaha. This dude compared imaginary features with ones that are coming soon: http://linuxtree.blogspot.com/2010/02/5-new-things-about-windows-8-and-ubuntu.html | Feb 17 13:19 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: 5 New Things about Windows 8 and Ubuntu 10.04 | LinuxTree .::. Size~: 136.16 KB | Feb 17 13:19 |
| schestowitz | Vapourware!! | Feb 17 13:20 |
| cubezzz | duh, where can I order windows 8? | Feb 17 13:21 |
| oiaohm | Funny part is the Vapourware of Windows 8 features could be in Linux by end of year. | Feb 17 13:21 |
| oiaohm | Including compressed hibernate. | Feb 17 13:21 |
| cubezzz | well, it's an up and coming Ubuntu as well | Feb 17 13:22 |
| schestowitz | yes | Feb 17 13:22 |
| cubezzz | so future vs future | Feb 17 13:22 |
| schestowitz | This is a "useful idiot" type | Feb 17 13:22 |
| schestowitz | He means well for Linux, but he promotes Microsoft lies | Feb 17 13:22 |
| schestowitz | Vista will have WInFS..... :-) | Feb 17 13:22 |
| schestowitz | Sorry, I mean, Longhorn | Feb 17 13:23 |
| schestowitz | Out in October 2003 with WinFS | Feb 17 13:23 |
| cubezzz | Longhorn! Don't get gored! ;-) | Feb 17 13:23 |
| oiaohm | 10.04 has an active alpha | Feb 17 13:23 |
| oiaohm | So you can really see what is there. | Feb 17 13:24 |
| cubezzz | wow, there is _one_ ARM laptop on ebay: | Feb 17 13:25 |
| cubezzz | http://cgi.ebay.com/Mini-Laptop-7-Inch-Screen-w-400MHz-ARM-Core-Processor_W0QQitemZ220553805813QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLaptops_Nov05?hash=item335a07fff5 | Feb 17 13:25 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Mini Laptop 7 Inch Screen w/ 400MHz ARM Core Processor - eBay (item 220553805813 end time Mar-10-10 18:08:59 PST) .::. Size~: 115.04 KB | Feb 17 13:25 |
| oiaohm | Problem is the data of release of windows 8 most of the mirgrations to windows 7 will not be done by then. | Feb 17 13:25 |
| cubezzz | 7 inch screen :-/ | Feb 17 13:26 |
| cubezzz | there's a couple of netwalkers too | Feb 17 13:26 |
| cubezzz | Doze 8, the doziest windows yet | Feb 17 13:27 |
| schestowitz | http://royal.pingdom.com/2010/02/16/study-ages-of-social-network-users/ | Feb 17 13:28 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Study: Ages of social network users | Royal Pingdom .::. Size~: 48.31 KB | Feb 17 13:28 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: ebay does rss now? | Feb 17 13:28 |
| schestowitz | I struggled to find a way to do this in 2004 | Feb 17 13:28 |
| schestowitz | And I tried a lot and wrote about it too | Feb 17 13:28 |
| schestowitz | It's hard to track auctions with rss unless they have sorted this out | Feb 17 13:29 |
| cubezzz | lol, I'm in the largest group | Feb 17 13:29 |
| cubezzz | ummm | Feb 17 13:29 |
| cubezzz | yes, they do actually | Feb 17 13:30 |
| cubezzz | also I can use elinks and work without javascript | Feb 17 13:33 |
| cubezzz | so writing something shouldn't be difficult | Feb 17 13:33 |
| schestowitz | Vapourware versus reality (or Microsoft lies versus Linux) | Feb 17 13:36 |
| schestowitz | Typical... | Feb 17 13:36 |
| oiaohm | Catch is it not even great vapourware | Feb 17 13:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzk4Nw | Feb 17 13:42 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: [Phoronix] Nouveau Interface Breaks, Updates Needed .::. Size~: 15.88 KB | Feb 17 13:42 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: it's Vista 7 with some mockup | Feb 17 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Like Vista 7 being Vista with a new deskbar | Feb 17 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Bigger and potentially more obnoxious | Feb 17 13:42 |
| zoobab | /win 69 | Feb 17 13:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/the_incredible_life_of_scott_kveton_linux_firefox.php | Feb 17 13:46 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Incredible Story of Scott Kveton: Linux, Firefox, Bacon & iPhones .::. Size~: 68.32 KB | Feb 17 13:46 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: Windows Valentine's Edition | Feb 17 13:47 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* | Feb 17 14:13 |
| schestowitz | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/02/16/1944235/Ask-Matt-Asay-About-Ubuntu-and-Canonical | Feb 17 14:13 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot Technology Story | Ask Matt Asay About Ubuntu and Canonical .::. Size~: 154.7 KB | Feb 17 14:13 |
| schestowitz | They treat him like a celebrity | Feb 17 14:13 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't code anything | Feb 17 14:13 |
| schestowitz | SOme time ago he was voted one of the most influential in FOSS, by some former Microsoft employees!! | Feb 17 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Move over, RMS... | Feb 17 14:14 |
| MinceR | "(Disclaimer: Matt is on the board of advisors for Slashdot's parent company, Geeknet.)" | Feb 17 14:14 |
| MinceR | that's why they treat him like a celebrity | Feb 17 14:14 |
| MinceR | geeknet is completely corrupted | Feb 17 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | "And remember kids, it's Windows, where you're only ever safe until next time..." -Me | Feb 17 14:15 |
| schestowitz | They hired some ex-Microsofters | Feb 17 14:15 |
| schestowitz | Ohloh | Feb 17 14:15 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I used to bash Ubuntu for having some really unsafe defaults, but that's becoming less and less the case | Feb 17 14:16 |
| schestowitz | What da fork?????/ http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/02/16/1548213/64-Bit-Flash-Player-For-Linux-Finally-In-Alpha | Feb 17 14:16 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot Linux Story | 64-Bit Flash Player For Linux Finally In Alpha .::. Size~: 137.01 KB | Feb 17 14:16 |
| schestowitz | it's old old old news | Feb 17 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | I still do wish they'd flip the firewall on, even though there is nothing by default that's listening on any ports | Feb 17 14:17 |
| MinceR | they're getting worse defaults now | Feb 17 14:17 |
| MinceR | mono, bingo, google docs | Feb 17 14:17 |
| MinceR | and a COO who's advertising crApple and ripping off FLOSS projects | Feb 17 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Mono's not extremely dangerous from a system security standpoint, unless you install Moonlight | Feb 17 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | which is not the default | Feb 17 14:18 |
| MinceR | there's not only security | Feb 17 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | Google Docs is as safe as that can be, I'd be more worried about privacy and lock-in | Feb 17 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | I don't figure Yahell is going to make them a lot of money since Linux users probably aren't the crowd that is most receptive to search ads | Feb 17 14:19 |
| MinceR | as safe as you think sharing private and internal work documents with google and governments all over the world is, that is | Feb 17 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | I'd expect it to cost Microsoft way more to serve the ads than they'll make selling chocolate covered dildos through them | Feb 17 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 17 14:19 |
| MinceR | (and whoever manages to break into google's systems) | Feb 17 14:19 |
| MinceR | dildos are lefty's business, aren't they? | Feb 17 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | or whatever search ads sell, I've blocked them for some time | Feb 17 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Wait til some company gets busted by the feds and the evidence in court was their google docs stuff | Feb 17 14:21 |
| DaemonFC | that's going to be awesome | Feb 17 14:21 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 17 14:21 |
| DaemonFC | I'd treat the Google Docs stuff as if it was a public billboard (I wouldn't use it) | Feb 17 14:22 |
| MinceR | and the way they're warming up to m$, installing moonlight by default (and making the patent deals for it with m$) doesn't seem so far off | Feb 17 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | same with online backup like Ubuntu One | Feb 17 14:22 |
| MinceR | and presto, you'll have novell2 | Feb 17 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, They turned down a Novell-like deal once before | Feb 17 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | very publicly | Feb 17 14:23 |
| MinceR | how long ago? | Feb 17 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | 2007 | Feb 17 14:23 |
| MinceR | that was long ago | Feb 17 14:23 |
| schestowitz | OBambi hires AstroTurfers http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1592164/obama-social-notworking-guru | Feb 17 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | Shuttleworth says they'd do it again | Feb 17 14:23 |
| MinceR | iirc they started the mono push since then | Feb 17 14:23 |
| oiaohm | Look at the maintainers. | Feb 17 14:23 |
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| DaemonFC | that remark is from this year | Feb 17 14:23 |
| MinceR | now they have mono, bingo, and asay | Feb 17 14:23 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: since 2007 5 major maintainers on ubuntu are linked to Novel | Feb 17 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Destroying Suse is one thing because Suse sucks and is unusable | Feb 17 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | Destroying Ubuntu would piss me off | Feb 17 14:24 |
| MinceR | that isn't my main problem with suse | Feb 17 14:24 |
| MinceR | novell is | Feb 17 14:24 |
| MinceR | and the patent racket/FUD campaign | Feb 17 14:25 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: which ones? | Feb 17 14:25 |
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| MinceR | if suse sucks (which it always did), i just avoid using it | Feb 17 14:25 |
| MinceR | but the patent FUD does harm the platform i'm using | Feb 17 14:25 |
| oiaohm | Mostly the one maintaining .net packages. schestowitz | Feb 17 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | Who knows? I think Canonical would be foolish to sign such an agreement. 1. Look where it got Novell. and 2. Ubuntu would earn some serious hate. | Feb 17 14:25 |
| oiaohm | For Ubuntu. | Feb 17 14:26 |
| MinceR | novell was foolish to do so, yet they did | Feb 17 14:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1592173/skype-verizon-deal-confirmed | Feb 17 14:26 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Skype and verizon deal is confirmed - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 60.92 KB | Feb 17 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | You really think Matt Asay is going to sweet talk Canonical into some Microsoft patent deal? | Feb 17 14:26 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Feb 17 14:26 |
| MinceR | i'm afraid it's possibly | Feb 17 14:26 |
| MinceR | s/y$/e/ | Feb 17 14:26 |
| oiaohm | No DaemonFC | Feb 17 14:26 |
| MinceR | well, not necessarily asay | Feb 17 14:26 |
| MinceR | there are other factors besides that clown | Feb 17 14:27 |
| oiaohm | I see something different. | Feb 17 14:27 |
| oiaohm | Matt Assy will allow .net to infect more. | Feb 17 14:27 |
| oiaohm | Then end of next year MS can drop the patent wall on them. | Feb 17 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | I still don't get why many large companies with lots of lawyers don't flinch at shipping Mono if it really is so bad | Feb 17 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | you'd think they'd clear something like that with their legal dept first | Feb 17 14:28 |
| MinceR | apparently they didn't | Feb 17 14:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2257832/top-worst-apple-products | Feb 17 14:28 |
| MinceR | m$ does everything they can to make the legal situation about mono-related patents as unclear as possible | Feb 17 14:29 |
| oiaohm | Intel and other companies do DaemonFC | Feb 17 14:29 |
| MinceR | they're doing so publicly | Feb 17 14:29 |
| MinceR | yet we see canonical pushing mono | Feb 17 14:29 |
| MinceR | if their legal department didn't warn them about this, when exactly will they do so? | Feb 17 14:29 |
| schestowitz | Groklae criticised them for it | Feb 17 14:30 |
| schestowitz | Explicitly, several times | Feb 17 14:30 |
| oiaohm | Take moonlight from novel. Intel will not touch it. | Feb 17 14:30 |
| schestowitz | PJ said she can't forgive their legal department for ignoring the issue | Feb 17 14:30 |
| oiaohm | Due to legal issues. | Feb 17 14:30 |
| oiaohm | Same applies to moon. | Feb 17 14:30 |
| oiaohm | Mono | Feb 17 14:30 |
| oiaohm | What is canonicals home country. | Feb 17 14:31 |
| oiaohm | That is important. | Feb 17 14:31 |
| oiaohm | Software patents don't apply there. | Feb 17 14:31 |
| Ender2070_ | microsoft did release the community promise the day after RMS warned against it | Feb 17 14:31 |
| Ender2070_ | seriously, it reeks of comes vs microsoft | Feb 17 14:32 |
| MinceR | they can be still barred from distributing their products in several important markets | Feb 17 14:32 |
| Ender2070_ | like with office | Feb 17 14:32 |
| oiaohm | Canonical legal department point of view. If they don't get attacked over it they can ship it. | Feb 17 14:33 |
| Ender2070_ | http://www.thestar.com/business/article/741912--court-upholds-toronto-company-with-us290m-ruling-against-microsoft | Feb 17 14:33 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Court upholds Toronto company with $US290M ruling against Microsoft - thestar.com .::. Size~: 57.37 KB | Feb 17 14:33 |
| oiaohm | When they get attacked then they will deal with it. | Feb 17 14:33 |
| Ender2070_ | f u ms | Feb 17 14:34 |
| oiaohm | This is a very dangous way to play the game. | Feb 17 14:34 |
| Ender2070_ | "The ruling also includes an injunction, set to go into effect Jan. 11, that would prevent the sale of at least some versions of Microsoft's popular Word word processing software." | Feb 17 14:34 |
| Ender2070_ | so yes MinceR, it can be done | Feb 17 14:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] New Blog Post: "Click Next Next Next Finish" http://bit.ly/ardEQx - more Mumbuntu fun! | Feb 17 14:38 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Click Next Next Next Finish | popey.com blog .::. Size~: 27.54 KB | Feb 17 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2257832/top-worst-apple-products | Feb 17 14:40 |
| MinceR | all of them | Feb 17 14:41 |
| MinceR | except maybe OpenCL and FireWire | Feb 17 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | Firewire is dead | Feb 17 14:42 |
| Ender2070_ | USB3 nub | Feb 17 14:42 |
| Ender2070_ | of course | Feb 17 14:42 |
| Ender2070_ | Where is Firewire3? | Feb 17 14:43 |
| MinceR | USB isn't peer-to-peer | Feb 17 14:43 |
| MinceR | and it really wastes power on the host | Feb 17 14:43 |
| Ender2070_ | peer to peer you use a lan cable | Feb 17 14:43 |
| MinceR | if your peripherals use ethernet, that is | Feb 17 14:43 |
| MinceR | ethernet is not usb | Feb 17 14:43 |
| DaemonFC | it can be | Feb 17 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 17 14:44 |
| Ender2070_ | every pc worth its salt has a lan card in it | Feb 17 14:44 |
| MinceR | not every peripheral does, though | Feb 17 14:44 |
| MinceR | external HDDs with ethernet are ridiculously expensive :> | Feb 17 14:44 |
| Ender2070_ | oh for that you have usb3 | Feb 17 14:44 |
| MinceR | so what? even with usb3, the host must keep polling devices | Feb 17 14:44 |
| Ender2070_ | its already been supported in linux for a while | Feb 17 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | if you want to use Firewire 800 on Windows, you need Windows 7 | Feb 17 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | otherwise it will revert to 400 | Feb 17 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | unless you get special drivers somewhere else | Feb 17 14:46 |
| MinceR | if you want to use windows, it's your fault | Feb 17 14:46 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 17 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | I don't even know if I have Firewire on this system, I did on my last one and never used it | Feb 17 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | I found it odd that I did because nothing actually seems to use it | Feb 17 14:47 |
| Ender2070_ | correct sirs | Feb 17 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | Do Apple things even use it? | Feb 17 14:48 |
| Ender2070_ | they switched to usb a while ago | Feb 17 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | heh, overglorified PCs to the core :P | Feb 17 14:48 |
| MinceR | crApple is leaving it behind | Feb 17 14:49 |
| MinceR | that doesn't mean it's bad technology | Feb 17 14:49 |
| Ender2070_ | "With speeds of 4.8 Gbit/s (600 MB/s), and a powering system which intelligently cuts the juice when you're not using a device, we have a feeling you'll want. " | Feb 17 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | Well, they use standard everything except they have EFI and something in the EFI to tell OS X it can boot | Feb 17 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | and other than that they're jsut an x86 PC with a pretty case, right? | Feb 17 14:49 |
| Ender2070_ | http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/green-house-delivers-usb-3-0-friendly-pci-express-interface-card/ | Feb 17 14:50 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Green House delivers USB 3.0-friendly PCI Express interface card -- Engadget .::. Size~: 147.83 KB | Feb 17 14:50 |
| MinceR | yes, all they used EFI for was to make it incompatible with real PCs | Feb 17 14:52 |
| MinceR | to some degree | Feb 17 14:52 |
| MinceR | and their cases are rarely pretty | Feb 17 14:52 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, You can get real PCs with EFI now | Feb 17 14:57 |
| MinceR | do i want to? | Feb 17 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | I don't see any advantage to it, it's not like it will be less buggy | Feb 17 14:58 |
| MinceR | all they have is a more complicated bootloader | Feb 17 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | BIOS bugs are at least well known and easily worked around | Feb 17 14:58 |
| oiaohm | EFI does come into its own when 4 TB drives start becoming common. | Feb 17 14:58 |
| MinceR | i'd rather build a smarter bootloader into a ROM-based quick-boot gnu/linux system :> | Feb 17 14:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | man usb 3 took too long | Feb 17 14:59 |
| MinceR | kexec() and stuff | Feb 17 14:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ive been able to do speeds faster than that on firewire for at least a couple years | Feb 17 14:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Released MilaX 0.5, an OpenSolaris-based mini-distribution which runs completely off a CD or a USB pendrive. http://tinyurl.com/ya6zrzl | Feb 17 15:04 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. .::. Size~: 110.21 KB | Feb 17 15:04 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Maine gets revenge on stupid drivers http://ur1.ca/mklb | Feb 17 15:07 | |
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| Ender2070_ | every play red alert 3 Diablo-D3? | Feb 17 15:16 |
| Ender2070_ | ever* | Feb 17 15:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | no. | Feb 17 15:16 |
| Ender2070_ | The plot is cool. "The game is set in a parallel universe in which World War II never happened—in the original Red Alert, Albert Einstein travelled back in time and removed Hitler in the 1920s. After an Allied victory in Red Alert 2, the Soviet leaders travelled back in time and removed Albert Einstein in 1927, preventing the Allies from creating atomic weapons while the Soviet Union rose to power, battling the Allies | Feb 17 15:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | last c&c game I played was ra1 | Feb 17 15:16 |
| Ender2070_ | in the 1950s." | Feb 17 15:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: no | Feb 17 15:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats the RA plot altogether | Feb 17 15:16 |
| Ender2070_ | read t he last part | Feb 17 15:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | you actually get to see einstien kill hitler in RA1 | Feb 17 15:16 |
| Ender2070_ | yes | Feb 17 15:16 |
| Ender2070_ | ra3 is a parellel universe | Feb 17 15:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | ra3 is in the ra universe, yes. | Feb 17 15:17 |
| Ender2070_ | the soviets go back in time and get rid of Einstein | Feb 17 15:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh | Feb 17 15:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats stupid | Feb 17 15:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | also, the game sucks | Feb 17 15:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | everything after and including c&c2 is shit | Feb 17 15:17 |
| Ender2070_ | nooo | Feb 17 15:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | boring uninspired shit | Feb 17 15:17 |
| Ender2070_ | c&c4 might be good | Feb 17 15:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | doubt it | Feb 17 15:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | EA is retarded | Feb 17 15:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | they destroyed maxis | Feb 17 15:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | they killed origin | Feb 17 15:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | and I believe EA also owns the homeworld rights now | Feb 17 15:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | so no more homeworld | Feb 17 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1592421/microsoft-security-patch-flaw-plugged-hackers | Feb 17 15:19 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft security patch flaw plugged by hackers - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 58.86 KB | Feb 17 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | All Red Alert games are alternate universe | Feb 17 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | Origin and Maxis used to put out good stuff | Feb 17 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | EA bought them to destroy them, not bring in talent | Feb 17 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | same happened to Westwood Studios | Feb 17 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1532862/ancient-flaw-hits-vista | Feb 17 15:22 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Ancient flaw hits vista - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 70.61 KB | Feb 17 15:22 |
| Ender2070_ | well they certainly could have done better | Feb 17 15:22 |
| Ender2070_ | i think the games themselves are okay | Feb 17 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | that went back to 1999? | Feb 17 15:23 |
| MinceR | nice | Feb 17 15:23 |
| *oiaohm has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | Feb 17 15:23 | |
| Ender2070_ | im sure the real westwood staff would have made some new engines | Feb 17 15:23 |
| Ender2070_ | they just kept taking stuff on top of westwood's emporer battle for dune engine | Feb 17 15:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, and westwood is dead | Feb 17 15:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | ra1 was the last real westwood c&c game | Feb 17 15:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | ea destroys everything they touch | Feb 17 15:24 |
| MinceR | just like m$ and eidos | Feb 17 15:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | tomb raidwho? | Feb 17 15:24 |
| Ender2070_ | no tiberian sun and emporer battle for dune were | Feb 17 15:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: no, c&c2 was produced by an EAfied westwood | Feb 17 15:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | and battle for dune kind of sucked. | Feb 17 15:25 |
| MinceR | well, the tomb raider series have always sucked massively | Feb 17 15:25 |
| Ender2070_ | it was still the same staff | Feb 17 15:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: I enjoed the first one honestly. | Feb 17 15:25 |
| Ender2070_ | and emporer was much better than dune2 | Feb 17 15:25 |
| MinceR | but you can see what coming into contact with eidos did to John Romero | Feb 17 15:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude, dune2 is a fucking classic | Feb 17 15:25 |
| Ender2070_ | dune2000 is better | Feb 17 15:25 |
| MinceR | the only thing i enjoyed about the first one was laughing at how horribly awful it was | Feb 17 15:26 |
| MinceR | and uninstalling it | Feb 17 15:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | dune2 is older than c&c 1 | Feb 17 15:26 |
| Ender2070_ | dune2000 was using the ra1 engine | Feb 17 15:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | ts like, c&c zero | Feb 17 15:26 |
| Ender2070_ | ran on win95 | Feb 17 15:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: seriously though | Feb 17 15:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | gaming to me | Feb 17 15:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | is dead. | Feb 17 15:26 |
| Ender2070_ | these days i stick with the wii for that | Feb 17 15:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | valves like the only company left | Feb 17 15:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | and the guys who make supcom | Feb 17 15:26 |
| MinceR | there's gaming outside companies | Feb 17 15:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | AND WHERE THE FUCK IS MY HALFLIFE 3, VALVE | Feb 17 15:27 |
| MinceR | there are great FLOSS FPS-es around | Feb 17 15:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: nexuiz sucks. | Feb 17 15:27 |
| MinceR | no it doesn't | Feb 17 15:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | it. sucks. | Feb 17 15:27 |
| MinceR | it rules | Feb 17 15:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | it sucks it sucks it sucks it sucks. | Feb 17 15:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | holy shit does it fucking suck | Feb 17 15:27 |
| Ender2070_ | yeah i want half life 3 too | Feb 17 15:27 |
| MinceR | no matter how many times you repeat that you're still wrong. | Feb 17 15:27 |
| Ender2070_ | i would hope they make it for linux | Feb 17 15:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: I've played it more than you | Feb 17 15:27 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter | Feb 17 15:27 |
| MinceR | also, you have no way of knowing that | Feb 17 15:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | I was playing it before it had a name and it was just some shit lord havoc threw together | Feb 17 15:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | I also remember when it was good and it wasnt a fucked up UT clone | Feb 17 15:28 |
| MinceR | and ever since, 24/7? | Feb 17 15:28 |
| MinceR | it isn't a ut clone, and it isn't fucked up | Feb 17 15:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: yeah, at one point I was doing 3-4 hours a day on nexuiz | Feb 17 15:28 |
| MinceR | if anything, it's a ut/ut2/q3a/whatever-else-is-around clone :> | Feb 17 15:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'm also banned from the only two active nexuiz servers in the US | Feb 17 15:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | because they hate me raping them repeatedly | Feb 17 15:29 |
| MinceR | or because they're tired of your trolling | Feb 17 15:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | by trolling, you mean repeatedly capping. | Feb 17 15:29 |
| MinceR | nope | Feb 17 15:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | then you're wrong | Feb 17 15:29 |
| MinceR | by trolling, i mean trolling. | Feb 17 15:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | because thats what happens | Feb 17 15:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | every time I'm on a CTF server, my team wins. | Feb 17 15:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | every. single. time. | Feb 17 15:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | its virtually impossible to beat me. | Feb 17 15:30 |
| MinceR | boring | Feb 17 15:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, it is | Feb 17 15:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | I quit because nexuiz players are worthless faggots | Feb 17 15:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | at least on quakelive I get some challenge | Feb 17 15:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | I may hate quake3 worse than nexuiz, but at least its challenging | Feb 17 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | watch your fucking mouth god damn it! | Feb 17 15:31 |
| MinceR | yeah, watch your fucking language, motherfuckers | Feb 17 15:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | incidentally, lordhavoc ported quakelive to linux | Feb 17 15:32 |
| *schestowitz sighs :-( | Feb 17 15:32 | |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmmmmm........ http://www.bravenewcode.com/products/wptouch/ http://www.the-source.com/2010/02/mobile-theme-added/ | Feb 17 15:32 |
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| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fucking_A | Feb 17 15:32 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Mobile Theme Added « The Source.com .::. Size~: 22.31 KB | Feb 17 15:32 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Fucking A - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 54.91 KB | Feb 17 15:32 |
| MinceR | phIRCe-BNc: hey, watch your language. | Feb 17 15:33 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 17 15:33 |
| schestowitz | It's disbled | Feb 17 15:33 |
| schestowitz | disabled | Feb 17 15:33 |
| MinceR | good thing too | Feb 17 15:33 |
| schestowitz | It would be interesting to pipe everything via the filter /before/ it shows up in IRC | Feb 17 15:33 |
| schestowitz | Not really practical | Feb 17 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Also would lead to lag | Feb 17 15:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] How are all the bankrupt & near-bankrupt states going to keep paying for the overflowing prisons? Let alone the costly private prison system | Feb 17 15:35 | |
| MinceR | some ircds can do badword filtering | Feb 17 15:35 |
| MinceR | but even the idea sucks | Feb 17 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | http://popup.lala.com/popup/432627043559281096 | Feb 17 15:36 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Lala Song Player - I Hope You Die (Album Version (Explicit)) by Bloodhound Gang .::. Size~: 22.61 KB | Feb 17 15:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #followwednesday @gwbprosecution - Prosecutor Bugliosi has got together the case against Bush. Follow & donate! | Feb 17 15:38 | |
| DaemonFC | Spain will just embarrass itself if they pursue that | Feb 17 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't even hand them Bill Clinton | Feb 17 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 17 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | So what makes them think we'd just fork over Bush, or any former US president for that matter | Feb 17 15:39 |
| MinceR | yeah, criminals must be protected | Feb 17 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | I'm just saying, it'll never happen | Feb 17 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | I think Spain has a system where you can try and convict someone in their absence though | Feb 17 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | that couldn't happen here | Feb 17 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | If I committed a crime and they didn't manage to find me or get some other country to extradite me, they can't start the trial | Feb 17 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | if that means the statute of limitations expires while they can't get me, I can return to the US and never face trial (unless it was murder) | Feb 17 15:42 |
| MinceR | what's special about murder? | Feb 17 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | Roman Polanski should have RAN before they convicted him | Feb 17 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | they wouldn't be able to try him now | Feb 17 15:43 |
| MinceR | also, if murder never expires, neither does copyright infringement, right? :> | Feb 17 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I think the statute of limitations is like 7 years for most things, it can be longer though | Feb 17 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | but there isn't one for murder | Feb 17 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | I could come back 40 years later and they could still arrest me :) | Feb 17 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.edgarsnyder.com/statute-limitations/ | Feb 17 15:45 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Statute of Limitations by State - Time Limits to File a Legal Claim .::. Size~: 27.67 KB | Feb 17 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, this only talks about civil lawsuits, not criminal prosecutions | Feb 17 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | http://law.findlaw.com/state-laws/criminal-statute-of-limitations/indiana/ | Feb 17 15:48 |
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| DaemonFC | ahhhhh | Feb 17 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | so if I commit a B, C, or D Felony and hide for 5 years, I'm good | Feb 17 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | but if they find DNA evidence within 1 year of me coming back, they can still prosecute me | Feb 17 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | all misdemeanors are not sent to trial if you manage to hide for 2 years | Feb 17 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | http://law.findlaw.com/state-laws/criminal-statute-of-limitations/intro-criminal-statute-of-limitations/ | Feb 17 15:51 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: More Information on Criminal Statute of Limitations - State Laws, Codes .::. Size~: 23.6 KB | Feb 17 15:51 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC will love this.... http://rawstory.com/2010/02/mexican-foreign-minister-calls-north-american-union-unified-currency/ | Feb 17 15:53 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Former Mexican foreign minister calls for North American union, unified currency | Raw Story .::. Size~: 44.14 KB | Feb 17 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | yuck | Feb 17 15:53 |
| schestowitz | No | Feb 17 15:53 |
| schestowitz | Harmony | Feb 17 15:53 |
| schestowitz | You can finally go to Mexico, DaemonFC | Feb 17 15:53 |
| schestowitz | Receive their healthcare | Feb 17 15:53 |
| schestowitz | No more insurance cartel | Feb 17 15:53 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/02/gop-accused-plagiarizing-anticlimate-rant/ | Feb 17 15:54 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: GOP lawmaker accused of plagiarizing Washington Times anti-climate change rant | Raw Story .::. Size~: 37.67 KB | Feb 17 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | Hacer no querer!!! | Feb 17 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, What healthcare woudl that be? whiskey and bone saws? | Feb 17 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Feb 17 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | oh wait, tequila and bone saws | Feb 17 15:55 |
| schestowitz | http://eu.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0470557397.html | Feb 17 15:56 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Wiley::Common Nonsense: Glenn Beck and the Triumph of Ignorance .::. Size~: 24.22 KB | Feb 17 15:56 |
| schestowitz | Your idol, DaemonFOZ ^^ | Feb 17 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | "Just open the floodgates and let the rest of us in already" | Feb 17 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | once they finish turning the US into a third world country, what should we do? | Feb 17 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | make a mad dash for Canada? | Feb 17 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | all 400 million of us? | Feb 17 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | tell them we're here and we want them to carry us? | Feb 17 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | we should send the Mexicans to Quebec, that could turn interesting | Feb 17 15:58 |
| schestowitz | You're quite a racist | Feb 17 15:59 |
| MinceR | you could go work in china | Feb 17 15:59 |
| schestowitz | I've always thought gay people were less prone to racism, but you change this assumption that I had | Feb 17 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | better yet, we should pack those Mexicans in the empty shipping contziners | Feb 17 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | send them to China | Feb 17 15:59 |
| MinceR | until they outsource menial labor to the usa, that is | Feb 17 15:59 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they would have to string him | Feb 17 15:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Awe-worthy works of art: http://www.glennraytutor.com/gallery.php | Feb 17 16:00 | |
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| schestowitz | He's not very obedient | Feb 17 16:00 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFOX: seek help | Feb 17 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | well, this influx of crap can't go on forever | Feb 17 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | the UK is being stupid too | Feb 17 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | you should know that much | Feb 17 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | where's your plan to pay off your debt? | Feb 17 16:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/16/minimalist-posters-f.html | Feb 17 16:01 |
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| DaemonFC | the UK is a disease on the rest of the world | Feb 17 16:01 |
| schestowitz | How so? Imperialism? | Feb 17 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | the UK exports Imaginary Property | Feb 17 16:01 |
| schestowitz | Intl' debt? | Feb 17 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | not a lot else | Feb 17 16:01 |
| schestowitz | Well, duh! So do you | Feb 17 16:01 |
| schestowitz | Weapons too | Feb 17 16:01 |
| schestowitz | Monopolies and TNT are the best the West can do | Feb 17 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but it's a little hypocritical to make accusations | Feb 17 16:02 |
| schestowitz | Production is for others | Feb 17 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | given the policies of your own government | Feb 17 16:02 |
| schestowitz | Africa - extraction of resources | Feb 17 16:02 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I criticise too | Feb 17 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | well hell, you even forget who planted us here, lol | Feb 17 16:02 |
| schestowitz | Show me where I stated otherwise | Feb 17 16:02 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: genocide? | Feb 17 16:03 |
| schestowitz | History lessons in the US go like this: | Feb 17 16:03 |
| schestowitz | "We had 3 wars" | Feb 17 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | not really | Feb 17 16:03 |
| schestowitz | "The good war, the Korea war, the Vietnam war" | Feb 17 16:03 |
| schestowitz | Before we came to the US there were Indians" | Feb 17 16:03 |
| schestowitz | "Now there are white people" | Feb 17 16:03 |
| schestowitz | [but they don't tell you what happened in between] | Feb 17 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | we made peace deals with them and then gave them smallpox infected blankets | Feb 17 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | shot the survivors in the back | Feb 17 16:04 |
| schestowitz | That's the curriculum of US history lessons at school | Feb 17 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | w00t | Feb 17 16:04 |
| schestowitz | Many gaps | Feb 17 16:04 |
| schestowitz | And just views from those in power (who win and tell their story) | Feb 17 16:04 |
| schestowitz | Nothing from the population | Feb 17 16:04 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you're a hypocrite | Feb 17 16:05 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: no world wars? or no civil war? | Feb 17 16:05 |
| schestowitz | Mexico used to be x2 the size | Feb 17 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, You ever notice how some things have the punishments built in? | Feb 17 16:05 |
| schestowitz | And you don't remember how slavery built your country | Feb 17 16:05 |
| MinceR | (i don't remember if jesusland was in ww1 or not) | Feb 17 16:05 |
| schestowitz | The rail system was set down by Chinese workers | Feb 17 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | We may have slaughtered the natives, but now we're being overran with illegals who the politicians let drain our public safety nets | Feb 17 16:05 |
| schestowitz | Those who were not strong enough got thrown aside | Feb 17 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | so I guess penance will be paid one way or another | Feb 17 16:06 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: reluctantly | Feb 17 16:06 |
| schestowitz | The Brits fooled them too | Feb 17 16:06 |
| *gargoyle-grin (~randerson@gentoo/contributor/gargoyle-grin) has joined #boycottnovell | Feb 17 16:06 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFOX: deep inside you're like an obese person who sued McDonalds | Feb 17 16:07 |
| schestowitz | You drink the ocean and then yell at everyone else | Feb 17 16:07 |
| MinceR | :D | Feb 17 16:07 |
| schestowitz | I think you do it comically | Feb 17 16:07 |
| schestowitz | I mean, in the trolling sense. See how radical you can come across with gun culture and racism | Feb 17 16:07 |
| schestowitz | And hey, you seek tolerance for homosexuals, don't you? Hypocrite. | Feb 17 16:07 |
| MinceR | not wanting to prohibit guns is "radical"? | Feb 17 16:07 |
| schestowitz | Double negation | Feb 17 16:08 |
| schestowitz | Confusing | Feb 17 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | of course it's radical if you're a liberal | Feb 17 16:08 |
| MinceR | wanting to allow citizens to bear guns is "radical"? | Feb 17 16:08 |
| schestowitz | No | Feb 17 16:08 |
| schestowitz | It's in the spirit | Feb 17 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, of course it is | Feb 17 16:08 |
| schestowitz | Consider the history | Feb 17 16:08 |
| schestowitz | Reign of the barrel | Feb 17 16:09 |
| schestowitz | This way you can train young troops | Feb 17 16:09 |
| MinceR | nope, that's not the point | Feb 17 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, It's much nicer to have the criminals eviscerate people with knives like they do in the UK | Feb 17 16:09 |
| schestowitz | Then you give them military-grade cults rather than air rifles and domestic weapons | Feb 17 16:09 |
| MinceR | the point originally was that if the government abuses the powers it was given, the people can rise up against it and defeat it | Feb 17 16:09 |
| schestowitz | You get rounds and chains, not magazine. | Feb 17 16:09 |
| MinceR | and they need weapons to do that | Feb 17 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | or force improvised weapons like sawed off shotguns after outlawing pistols | Feb 17 16:09 |
| MinceR | they also need to be able to use them to do that | Feb 17 16:09 |
| schestowitz | Uncle Martin (Lockheed) pays for it | Feb 17 16:10 |
| MinceR | of course, this was taken away from them in practice, even in jesusland | Feb 17 16:10 |
| schestowitz | Iraq was a chance to dispose of some old stocks | Feb 17 16:10 |
| schestowitz | ANd do a "shock and awe" campaign | Feb 17 16:10 |
| MinceR | they aren't allowed to keep automatic firearms or anything powerful | Feb 17 16:10 |
| schestowitz | Reminding the world the bully is dangerous because it's irrational | Feb 17 16:10 |
| schestowitz | Now they can restock and move the Industrial Complex | Feb 17 16:10 |
| MinceR | the fact that police can't be trusted to do all the fighting is another point | Feb 17 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, You'll go away for 10 years if you modify a rifle to be select fire | Feb 17 16:11 |
| schestowitz | Those Iraqis depleted from the arsenal | Feb 17 16:11 |
| schestowitz | /sarcasm | Feb 17 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Not having automatic actually makes the weapon more dangerous, imo | Feb 17 16:11 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: how so? | Feb 17 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | more accurate, not wasting lots of rounds and hitting nothing | Feb 17 16:11 |
| MinceR | even if it's selective fire, you can use single shot | Feb 17 16:12 |
| schestowitz | what about Columbine shootings? | Feb 17 16:12 |
| MinceR | and in some situations full auto is preferable | Feb 17 16:12 |
| schestowitz | Those f*ing TEENAGERS got bullets from WAL-MART!! | Feb 17 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Auto is almost never the way to go | Feb 17 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | it's more of a terror weapon at that point | Feb 17 16:12 |
| MinceR | if it never is, why are so many guns equipped with it? | Feb 17 16:12 |
| schestowitz | "So, what do we need? .... cheese, peanuts... some milk... oh! I almost forget 4 magazines for my precious.." | Feb 17 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | impractical | Feb 17 16:12 |
| MinceR | it's called 'suppressing fire', not 'terror' :> | Feb 17 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, They took the full auto option off the M16 A2 btw | Feb 17 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | it's single or three round burst | Feb 17 16:13 |
| MinceR | they still have burst though | Feb 17 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | and for exactly the reason I mentioned | Feb 17 16:13 |
| MinceR | are civilians allowed to have burst-capable guns? | Feb 17 16:13 |
| schestowitz | Zune has that too | Feb 17 16:13 |
| schestowitz | It's called "squirting" | Feb 17 16:13 |
| schestowitz | It plays 3 times | Feb 17 16:13 |
| MinceR | zune is a water gun? | Feb 17 16:13 |
| schestowitz | Then DRM suspends it | Feb 17 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, No. But you can fire a full clip pretty fast with some semi-auto models | Feb 17 16:14 |
| schestowitz | Modifying your ZUne to overcome this is a DMCA violation | Feb 17 16:14 |
| schestowitz | 10 years in prison :-) | Feb 17 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | certainly fast enough to suppress | Feb 17 16:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: yes, you can own a semi. | Feb 17 16:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | you cant own full autos due to the "assault" weapons ban | Feb 17 16:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | even though theres nothing called an assault weapon | Feb 17 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3 = idiot | Feb 17 16:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | no one has ever referred to one as such, and congress made the term up because they're ignorant fucks | Feb 17 16:15 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 17 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | Assault Weapons Ban has expired | Feb 17 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | in 2004 | Feb 17 16:15 |
| schestowitz | Somersault weapons? | Feb 17 16:15 |
| MinceR | semi is just one trigger pull per shot, isn't it? | Feb 17 16:15 |
| schestowitz | Like in Matrix? | Feb 17 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | most of the stuff it banned really wasn't much of a threat | Feb 17 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, yes | Feb 17 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The biggest thing about it expiring is you can have more rounds in most rifle clips now | Feb 17 16:16 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: and non-automatic is when you need to refill with water | Feb 17 16:16 |
| schestowitz | [the Zune] | Feb 17 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | so you're starting to see less 6 round clips and more 12 round or more | Feb 17 16:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: no | Feb 17 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | you can also have pistol grips, telescoping and folding stock, and a bayonet mount B-) | Feb 17 16:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: depending on the weapon, three to five. | Feb 17 16:17 |
| MinceR | ic | Feb 17 16:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | single is one pull of the trigger, one bullet. | Feb 17 16:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | semi is one pull, a fixed number come out | Feb 17 16:18 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: why is the pistol grip important? | Feb 17 16:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | full is hold the trigger down and empty the magazine | Feb 17 16:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | pistol grip isnt important | Feb 17 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | nothing in that bill made much sense | Feb 17 16:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a cosmetic feature | Feb 17 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Here is a semi-automatic Zune: http://www.thedigeratilife.com/images/water-gun3.jpg | Feb 17 16:18 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Feb 17 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, It also banned grenade launchers | Feb 17 16:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | it has nothing to do with how the weapon is used, and it doesnt make it easier or harder to use | Feb 17 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | which are already very illegal :) | Feb 17 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | shock and awe | Feb 17 16:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | the assault weapons ban banned pistol grips on rifles | Feb 17 16:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | problem is, it means nothing | Feb 17 16:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | its an end user preference. | Feb 17 16:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @mparent77772 Mossad's licence to kill http://bit.ly/9RzmTK // but illustrating with a still from Spielberg? BAD CALL. | Feb 17 16:19 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Mossad's licence to kill - Telegraph .::. Size~: 76.24 KB | Feb 17 16:19 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 17 16:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | they also banned specific ammo types | Feb 17 16:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | which also are used in other weapons | Feb 17 16:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | they were merely replaced with the exact same thing under a different name | Feb 17 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, It's also illegal to dummy the rounds (as in filing the tips off them) | Feb 17 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | easily done, just don't get caught doing it | Feb 17 16:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | they did it to "take crime off the streets" | Feb 17 16:19 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 17 16:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | except no one commits crimes with expensive weapons | Feb 17 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | They actually only affected deer hunters | Feb 17 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Feb 17 16:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | you cant go buy a rifle and then go rob a bank with it | Feb 17 16:20 |
| MinceR | crime is on the streets every time a politician travels on it :> | Feb 17 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | No, a weapon you commit a crime with is generally disposable ;) | Feb 17 16:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | virtually every single crime of the nature they're speaking of is done with a simple every day pistol. | Feb 17 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | You can rob the bank with an airgun painted black probably | Feb 17 16:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | few are done with knives, and I think one in the time period they used to create the law was done with a shotgun | Feb 17 16:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | no rifles used. | Feb 17 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | people are stupid, they'll fork the cash over | Feb 17 16:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | yet they didn't do anything to curb pistol usage | Feb 17 16:21 |
| MinceR | also, the ones forking the cash over aren't high in the management | Feb 17 16:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | the only major thing is hollow points | Feb 17 16:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | which are easy to create at home anyhow | Feb 17 16:21 |
| MinceR | they aren't the ones who take the loss :> | Feb 17 16:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | and modern armor largely negates hollow points to begin with | Feb 17 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | coat the bullets in Kevlar and they'll penetrate | Feb 17 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 17 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | bbl | Feb 17 16:24 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 17 16:24 |
| MinceR | "I guess i'm just not a people person. Good thing I have Kevlar. ...Wait, do I have Kevlar?" | Feb 17 16:24 |
| schestowitz | Asay is engaging with us... http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/16/purpose-mono-reliance/#comment-82553 | Feb 17 16:32 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: What Apple Teaches Us About Mono and Moonlight | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 97.05 KB | Feb 17 16:32 |
| schestowitz | In case you want to weight in too... | Feb 17 16:32 |
| schestowitz | *weigh | Feb 17 16:32 |
| MinceR | strange, his tune used to be different | Feb 17 16:33 |
| MinceR | he was all "desktop linux sucks, use osx" before he got hired by canonical | Feb 17 16:34 |
| schestowitz | This site needs to dump asp http://www.cbronline.com/news/aava_mobile_unveils_open_mobile_device_platform_100216 | Feb 17 16:40 |
| schestowitz | For about 2-3 years now it has been a TOTAL MESS | Feb 17 16:40 |
| schestowitz | The site rarely loads up | Feb 17 16:40 |
| schestowitz | It takes ages | Feb 17 16:40 |
| schestowitz | It's down too often | Feb 17 16:40 |
| MinceR | asp or asp.net? | Feb 17 16:40 |
| schestowitz | And sometimes it produces an error... like 40% of the time | Feb 17 16:40 |
| schestowitz | I am AMAZED that they haven't dumped Microsoft yet | Feb 17 16:40 |
| schestowitz | It's embarrassing, but their articles are decent | Feb 17 16:40 |
| schestowitz | CBR..... | Feb 17 16:40 |
| MinceR | VBR is better anyway ;) | Feb 17 16:40 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Feb 17 16:40 |
| phIRCe-BNc | It's embarrassing, but their articles are decent | Feb 17 16:40 |
| phIRCe-BNc | CBR..... | Feb 17 16:40 |
| phIRCe-BNc | VBR is better anyway ;) | Feb 17 16:40 |
| schestowitz | See? | Feb 17 16:40 |
| MinceR | lol | Feb 17 16:40 |
| schestowitz | It broke the bot too | Feb 17 16:40 |
| MinceR | wow, it loaded | Feb 17 16:40 |
| MinceR | the bot was broken already | Feb 17 16:40 |
| schestowitz | I can't load it no matter what | Feb 17 16:40 |
| schestowitz | After 2 minutes of wrestling I finally managed to load it in ThundeBrowse | Feb 17 16:40 |
| schestowitz | it's interesting | Feb 17 16:40 |
| schestowitz | Aava | Feb 17 16:40 |
| schestowitz | All open | Feb 17 16:40 |
| schestowitz | Not many details, but looks nice and claims openness | Feb 17 16:40 |
| schestowitz | It has Intel junk in it though, so I'd never buy it | Feb 17 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmm........ | Feb 17 16:45 |
| schestowitz | It seems likely that Tiller read BN...? http://opensource.com/law/10/2/calling-troll-troll | Feb 17 16:46 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Calling a troll a troll | opensource.com .::. Size~: 38.76 KB | Feb 17 16:46 |
| schestowitz | O'Grady blogs a lot of non-Free things these days...... http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2010/02/09/data-vs-intuition/ | Feb 17 16:48 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: tecosystems » Data and its Sharp Stick vs Intuition .::. Size~: 55.15 KB | Feb 17 16:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Kudos to #RedMonk for being transparent http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2010/02/10/analyst-branding/ | Feb 17 16:50 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: tecosystems » Seeing the Forest for the Brand .::. Size~: 58.21 KB | Feb 17 16:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[aondo] Open Source is like Free Software in a prison, feels like this when i read about open source projects that's only possible to run on windows | Feb 17 16:53 | |
| schestowitz | What's this..? http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=alinux | Feb 17 16:54 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: DistroWatch.com: aLinux .::. Size~: 65.95 KB | Feb 17 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | http://forum.zomgstuff.net/showthread.php?t=21424 | Feb 17 16:54 |
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| schestowitz | OMG. | Feb 17 16:55 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC | Feb 17 16:55 |
| schestowitz | =Ballmer | Feb 17 16:55 |
| schestowitz | Watch this thread | Feb 17 16:55 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFOX: got a crush on Uncle Fester? | Feb 17 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I just liked that picture | Feb 17 16:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Canonical looking for _technical_ people to help with testing in London, UK. http://bit.ly/cHcBYn follow link for detail! | Feb 17 16:56 | |
| DaemonFC | he looks all psychotic and he's sitting in front of the Windows Vista logo | Feb 17 16:56 |
| schestowitz | "Posts: 39" | Feb 17 16:56 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: check it out | Feb 17 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | it's just funny if you look at it | Feb 17 16:56 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFOX uses Ballmer as his avatar | Feb 17 16:56 |
| schestowitz | No, it's not | Feb 17 16:56 |
| schestowitz | You're advertising Windows | Feb 17 16:56 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 17 16:57 |
| schestowitz | " aLinux (formerly Peanut Linux)" | Feb 17 16:57 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Feb 17 16:57 |
| schestowitz | Peanus [sic] Linux? | Feb 17 16:57 |
| MinceR | i think that those not in the know don't get the joke and to them it's functionally just advertising | Feb 17 16:57 |
| schestowitz | No wonder they renamed | Feb 17 16:57 |
| MinceR | peanut is a plant | Feb 17 16:57 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 17 16:57 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Linux{TM} had Linus file a complaint about the name :-) | Feb 17 16:57 |
| schestowitz | http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=plop | Feb 17 16:58 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: DistroWatch.com: PLoP Linux .::. Size~: 41.5 KB | Feb 17 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Another odd name | Feb 17 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Plonk Phonemic | Feb 17 16:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/calculate-89/calculate-linux-desktop-10.2-released-788916/ | Feb 17 17:00 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Calculate Linux Desktop 10.2 released - LinuxQuestions.org .::. Size~: 40.51 KB | Feb 17 17:00 |
| MinceR | "overpatching distributives interactively" -- what | Feb 17 17:01 |
| MinceR | i'm trying Pardus in a VM now, it's weird | Feb 17 17:01 |
| schestowitz | New IBM INNVA~1: http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/29323.wss | Feb 17 17:05 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: IBM - United States .::. Size~: 36.95 KB | Feb 17 17:05 |
| schestowitz | They innovate like MSFT and GOOG | Feb 17 17:05 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: how so? | Feb 17 17:05 |
| schestowitz | I was gonna try it as my next distro | Feb 17 17:06 |
| MinceR | for example, as far as i can tell, the package cache is completely empty | Feb 17 17:06 |
| MinceR | even after upgrading and installing a few packages | Feb 17 17:06 |
| MinceR | their repos also lack several important packages | Feb 17 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Whacky theories: http://fedupusa.org/2010/02/16/goldman-sachs-bets-on-global-warming-more-like-pushes-the-agenda-for-a-2-trillion-stake/ | Feb 17 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, I was gonna inquire about repos | Feb 17 17:08 |
| schestowitz | That's the weak spot of small distros | Feb 17 17:08 |
| MinceR | no gnumeric, no audacious, no abiword, no evolution | Feb 17 17:08 |
| MinceR | i'm like "wtf?" | Feb 17 17:08 |
| schestowitz | I hate compiling things | Feb 17 17:08 |
| schestowitz | I hate GUIs too, I use apt/yum | Feb 17 17:08 |
| schestowitz | Much faster | Feb 17 17:09 |
| schestowitz | and verbose | Feb 17 17:09 |
| MinceR | i didn't like package manager guis until synaptic | Feb 17 17:09 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva has a good one | Feb 17 17:09 |
| schestowitz | synaptic adds info and screenshots, which are a wonderful addition | Feb 17 17:09 |
| MinceR | it also adds saving/loading markings to/from files | Feb 17 17:10 |
| MinceR | which allows a script i've written to work nicely | Feb 17 17:10 |
| MinceR | (it lets me find all the missing documentation for packages i have installed and to install it) | Feb 17 17:10 |
| MinceR | (it also works on -dev packages but those can clash) | Feb 17 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | "Microsoft previews Silverlight 4 in Amsterdam - Although fleshlight is more common in that town " | Feb 17 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Feb 17 17:16 |
| MinceR | :D | Feb 17 17:16 |
| MinceR | it's also more useful | Feb 17 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmm... | Feb 17 17:17 |
| schestowitz | I never used the kubuntu gui | Feb 17 17:17 |
| schestowitz | not to install stuff | Feb 17 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Does it have an option to unload list of installed pkgs | Feb 17 17:17 |
| schestowitz | ? | Feb 17 17:17 |
| MinceR | i've used adept for a while but stopped because i dislike it | Feb 17 17:17 |
| MinceR | i also used kpackagekit for a while | Feb 17 17:17 |
| MinceR | they both do a lot less than synaptic | Feb 17 17:17 |
| MinceR | and they can't load/save markings | Feb 17 17:17 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: still trawling Microsoft s/w in a Ballmer avatar? | Feb 17 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | hehehe | Feb 17 17:18 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.jonnyrash.com/img/sandbox/kuato-lives-ballmer-gates-small.jpg | Feb 17 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, tessier | Feb 17 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | *tac | Feb 17 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, tacone | Feb 17 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Long time, no see | Feb 17 17:19 |
| schestowitz | No blog posts, either | Feb 17 17:20 |
| tacone | Yup. I'm in Paris these days | Feb 17 17:20 |
| tacone | Hope everything is fine. | Feb 17 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Ah.. | Feb 17 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Yes, it's OK | Feb 17 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Mono problem has slown a bit | Feb 17 17:20 |
| tacone | Nice. | Feb 17 17:20 |
| tacone | Ms is ever changing. They'll attack with something else. | Feb 17 17:21 |
| tacone | Gtg, bye ! | Feb 17 17:22 |
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| sebsebseb | Hi | Feb 17 17:23 |
| MinceR | hay | Feb 17 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, http://forum.zomgstuff.net/showthread.php?t=21424 | Feb 17 17:24 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Hey | Feb 17 17:24 |
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| DaemonFC | how about this one? | Feb 17 17:24 |
| MinceR | :D | Feb 17 17:25 |
| MinceR | i like this one a lot more than the previous one | Feb 17 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/9199/steveballmerlolwut.png | Feb 17 17:26 |
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| *Diablo-D3 farts. | Feb 17 17:26 | |
| MinceR | perhaps it would be worth posting on ED | Feb 17 17:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | what one what? | Feb 17 17:26 |
| MinceR | not the fart | Feb 17 17:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, ed has enough of those | Feb 17 17:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | dohohohohoho | Feb 17 17:27 |
| MinceR | enough farts? | Feb 17 17:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes | Feb 17 17:27 |
| *DaemonFC just went on a Taco Bell binge | Feb 17 17:29 | |
| DaemonFC | you may want to clear the area soon | Feb 17 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | a volcano box and a bean burrito, mmmmmm | Feb 17 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | taste the I just got paid goodness | Feb 17 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | poor MinceR, will never be able to hoard Fire sauce packets | Feb 17 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | rip them open and drink them :) | Feb 17 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't know what he's missing | Feb 17 17:33 |
| MinceR | oh noes | Feb 17 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w106/BFMV7/Fer425.jpg | Feb 17 17:35 |
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| DaemonFC | B-) | Feb 17 17:35 |
| MinceR | why not use them on the food? | Feb 17 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | I do that too :D | Feb 17 17:35 |
| schestowitz |  | Feb 17 17:37 |
| schestowitz | [17:21] <tacone> Ms is ever changing. They'll attack with something else. | Feb 17 17:37 |
| schestowitz | They tried throwing a Miguel at Linux | Feb 17 17:37 |
| schestowitz | it just smashed | Feb 17 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Nobody trusts the tool now | Feb 17 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they can try to bribe some patent trolls next | Feb 17 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvSBby38R5o | Feb 17 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | Ballmer is an Apple now? | Feb 17 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | I call my landlords sons Beavis and Butt-Head, they're the "maintenance" guys :P | Feb 17 17:39 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: that's when you know the US has a poverty issue | Feb 17 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | put everything together backwards | Feb 17 17:39 |
| MinceR | no, a "LOL WUT" pear | Feb 17 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Maybe you should keep it for when you're hungry.... then you can drink em all up | Feb 17 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, What's that? | Feb 17 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | nepotism? | Feb 17 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | they'll starve if he ever dies | Feb 17 17:40 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: similar genetically to apples | Feb 17 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Some are made hybrids now | Feb 17 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Like apples tasting almost like mango | Feb 17 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Byfield strikes: http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/RMS-s-Mostly-Slax-Bad-choices-in-a-good-cause | Feb 17 17:40 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: RMS's Mostly Slax: Bad choices in a good cause - Linux Magazine Online .::. Size~: 37.13 KB | Feb 17 17:41 |
| schestowitz | [17:39] <DaemonFC> I call my landlords sons Beavis and Butt-Head, they're the "maintenance" guys :P | Feb 17 17:41 |
| schestowitz | WHat do they call YOU? | Feb 17 17:41 |
| MinceR | byfield spewing noise again? | Feb 17 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | who cares? | Feb 17 17:41 |
| schestowitz | [17:26] * Diablo-D3 farts. | Feb 17 17:41 |
| schestowitz | No, it's Diablo-D3 | Feb 17 17:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "How did we get 2 a place where we can remove #code & functionality & see our #business will grow because of it?" #scout http://bit.ly/3xtAp | Feb 17 17:42 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: We Just Undid Three Months of Dev work. Here's What We Learned. .::. Size~: 12.38 KB | Feb 17 17:42 |
| schestowitz | http://openceo.blogspot.com/2010/02/ive-got-feeling-is-open-source-at.html | Feb 17 17:42 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I decided I was tired of waiting on them to cut down some nuisance trees that were threatening my cable and phone lines | Feb 17 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | so I cut them down myself and one snagged on the asshole next door's cable line | Feb 17 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | ripped it off the side of his house | Feb 17 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | I got rid of the trees | Feb 17 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | thank god he wasn't home | Feb 17 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | he had to have Comcast come out here and hook it back up for like $100 | Feb 17 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | I was laughing about that the rest of the day | Feb 17 17:44 |
| schestowitz | But this one from Byfield is OK: http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3865126/ | Feb 17 17:44 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: KDE Review: KDE 4.4 Comes in from the Cold — Datamation.com .::. Size~: 67.79 KB | Feb 17 17:44 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: was the cat laughing too? :-D | Feb 17 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | Jabba? | Feb 17 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | No, I didn't tell him, don't want the cops to question him later | Feb 17 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | anyway, this was the neighbor that invited my psychotic neightbor who doesn't pay her rent in to "shave his back" as a birthday present | Feb 17 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | and from her story, anally raped her | Feb 17 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | and then I wouldn't answer my door then she was out there banging on it and screaming for help | Feb 17 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | or something to that effect | Feb 17 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | but she's a habitual liar and even her own daughter doesn't believe that's what happened | Feb 17 17:47 |
| schestowitz | dude, i'\m eating | Feb 17 17:47 |
| MinceR | dude, where's my car? | Feb 17 17:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Copying new episode of @uupc to my HTC Hero to listen and cringe on the way home. | Feb 17 17:48 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, So she's banging on my door, it was like 3 PM, I was asleep... | Feb 17 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | and so I mutter "And that's when I shot her, your honor" | Feb 17 17:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1592037/dell-mini-run-unreleased-android | Feb 17 17:49 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Dell's mini 5 will run on unreleased android - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 66.24 KB | Feb 17 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | and put my sansa on and went back to bed under the sweet serenade of a Slayer album | Feb 17 17:49 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 17 17:50 |
| schestowitz | So will she be sued for waking Jabba up? | Feb 17 17:51 |
| schestowitz | BTW, I presume you're BSing us | Feb 17 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | nah, nothing to sue for | Feb 17 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | she's an idiot | Feb 17 17:51 |
| schestowitz | If that really had happened, you'd have brought it up already | Feb 17 17:51 |
| schestowitz | I'm done with the sandwich | Feb 17 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Feb 17 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | she even called my landlord about it | Feb 17 17:52 |
| schestowitz | But the gross image of some dude getting his back shaved still disturbs me | Feb 17 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | and described it in sickening detail | Feb 17 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Worse than that alleged anal rape | Feb 17 17:52 |
| MinceR | needing to have one's back shaved is gross enough | Feb 17 17:52 |
| schestowitz | How do you know, DaemonFC? | Feb 17 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | try man who's 5' 5", 40 years old, overweight, and looks like he escape from a circus sideshow | Feb 17 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Too many areas indicate you'ee BSing us | Feb 17 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Because I called him to complain about her | Feb 17 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | and we ended up laughing about it on the phone | Feb 17 17:53 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: stop, it doesn't help when visualised | Feb 17 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | he knows her and what an alcoholic she is | Feb 17 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | now she's had her car repossessed and she's pissed because I wouldn't take her to work when she volunteered me to | Feb 17 17:54 |
| schestowitz | The alcoholic who cried "Wolf" | Feb 17 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | I make a mad dash in and out of my apartment so she won't hear me and step out | Feb 17 17:55 |
| schestowitz | It might makes you wonder if the mentally-unstable can be abused without danger cause nobody believes the | Feb 17 17:55 |
| schestowitz | *them | Feb 17 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | probably, I don't know | Feb 17 17:55 |
| schestowitz | And you have an ex-con living uncerneath | Feb 17 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Wonderful | Feb 17 17:55 |
| schestowitz | No wonder you keep a pistol. | Feb 17 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't have gone in to shave the guys back and gotten in the bath tub with him | Feb 17 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | but that's me speaking for myself | Feb 17 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | and I have that guy downstairs who raped someone in Michigan | Feb 17 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | yes, thank you | Feb 17 17:56 |
| schestowitz | So it was rape after all | Feb 17 17:56 |
| schestowitz | How did you find out | Feb 17 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | him, her, and asshole next door | Feb 17 17:56 |
| schestowitz | ? | Feb 17 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | she told me | Feb 17 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | she told Kent (landlord) | Feb 17 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | she didn't call the cops | Feb 17 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | that's why I don't believe her, well the biggest reason anyway | Feb 17 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | So that asshole next door and he brother have both threatened to kill me | Feb 17 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | for parking on the curb in front of their house | Feb 17 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | yes, they are aware that I'm armed, and I've already told them that they better pray nothing happens to my car while it is parked there | Feb 17 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | (it's not now) | Feb 17 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | rich assholes who took the driveway moved out and I called it before anyone else moved in here | Feb 17 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, http://www.insor.org/insasoweb/details.do?sid=366101.011 | Feb 17 18:00 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Offender Details .::. Size~: 8.26 KB | Feb 17 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | that's the guy downstairs | Feb 17 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Ameego http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=2010021510495874 | Feb 17 18:01 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Please Welcome MeeGo - ConsortiumInfo.org .::. Size~: 49.98 KB | Feb 17 18:01 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Maybe smoking isn't so bad after all http://ur1.ca/ml1d #douchebags | Feb 17 18:02 | |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I've got a rapist living downstairs, a psychotic asshole next door, my upstairs neighbor is an alcoholic and a drama queen, and the neighbor in the other house has a 15 year old thats trying to flirt with me | Feb 17 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | my life has become interesting | Feb 17 18:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @diablod3 Maybe smoking isn't so bad after all http://ur1.ca/ml1d [language warning] | Feb 17 18:04 | |
| schestowitz | 15 y-o girl? | Feb 17 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Feb 17 18:04 |
| schestowitz | alien? | Feb 17 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | negative | Feb 17 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Klingon? | Feb 17 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | Kapla!!!! and no | Feb 17 18:05 |
| MinceR | Qapla'! | Feb 17 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | meh, whatever | Feb 17 18:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.safercode.com/blog/2009/12/29/perl-select-autoflush.html | Feb 17 18:07 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Weird Usage Of select in perl | Safer Code - Secure Coding In C C++ And More.. .::. Size~: 28.53 KB | Feb 17 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Oh, this is fun.. http://www.insor.org/insasoweb/initAdvancedSearchForm.do | Feb 17 18:09 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Indiana Sheriff's Sex and Violent Offender Registry .::. Size~: 29.79 KB | Feb 17 18:09 |
| schestowitz | Let's see what can be pulled here | Feb 17 18:09 |
| schestowitz | I see lots of "sexual predators" | Feb 17 18:10 |
| schestowitz | They need to add some to these lists | Feb 17 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Like "federal predator" | Feb 17 18:10 |
| schestowitz | or "Microsoft employee" :-) | Feb 17 18:10 |
| MinceR | or "yautja" | Feb 17 18:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.insor.org/insasoweb/offenderDetails.do?sid=365591.011&redPage=1 | Feb 17 18:10 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Indiana Sheriff's Sex and Violent Offender Registry .::. Size~: 29.79 KB | Feb 17 18:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.insor.org/insasoweb/offenderDetails.do?sid=339386.011&redPage=1 http://www.insor.org/insasoweb/offenderDetails.do?sid=338623.011&redPage=1 | Feb 17 18:10 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Indiana Sheriff's Sex and Violent Offender Registry .::. Size~: 29.79 KB | Feb 17 18:10 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Indiana Sheriff's Sex and Violent Offender Registry .::. Size~: 29.79 KB | Feb 17 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Female sex ofender http://www.insor.org/insasoweb/offenderDetails.do?sid=337404.011&redPage=1 | Feb 17 18:11 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Indiana Sheriff's Sex and Violent Offender Registry .::. Size~: 29.79 KB | Feb 17 18:11 |
| schestowitz | *offender | Feb 17 18:11 |
| schestowitz | This guy reminds me of someone from ACCESS. http://www.insor.org/insasoweb/offenderDetails.do?sid=339480.011&redPage=1 | Feb 17 18:11 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Indiana Sheriff's Sex and Violent Offender Registry .::. Size~: 29.79 KB | Feb 17 18:11 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: this dude might kill Jabba. http://www.insor.org/insasoweb/offenderDetails.do?sid=360438.011&redPage=1 | Feb 17 18:12 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Indiana Sheriff's Sex and Violent Offender Registry .::. Size~: 29.79 KB | Feb 17 18:12 |
| schestowitz | I can tell by the face | Feb 17 18:12 |
| schestowitz | :-p | Feb 17 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Don't you have sites like this? | Feb 17 18:12 |
| schestowitz | "LEBANON, INDIANA" | Feb 17 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Is that for real? | Feb 17 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Feb 17 18:12 |
| schestowitz | If there also IRAQ in Indiana? | Feb 17 18:12 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I don't know if we have sites like that | Feb 17 18:13 |
| schestowitz | SO how does that work. Like, if you in Indiana dates someone then you run a search? | Feb 17 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Is that how it rolls? | Feb 17 18:13 |
| schestowitz | http://preview.thetyee.ca/News/2010/01/29/MakingALiving/ | Feb 17 18:14 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, If you commit some kind of a sex crime, you'll have to register, typically from 10 years to the rest of your life | Feb 17 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | and it's for anyone to see | Feb 17 18:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-obamas-secret-prisons-in-afghanistan-endanger-us-all-1896996.html | Feb 17 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Bush | Feb 17 18:17 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Johann Hari: Obama's secret prisons in Afghanistan endanger us all -Johann Hari, Commentators - The Independent .::. Size~: 189.41 KB | Feb 17 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Bush is back | Feb 17 18:17 |
| schestowitz | And he speaks more eloquently | Feb 17 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, http://jenchoi.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/faux-news-poster1.gif | Feb 17 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: as they say, Murdoch gives you the fact, YouDecide(TM) | Feb 17 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | the real facts or the good facts? | Feb 17 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 17 18:19 |
| schestowitz | The self-serving ones | Feb 17 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | cause I'm a real fact kinda guy | Feb 17 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 17 18:19 |
| schestowitz | http://us.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/02/10/blackwater.iraq/index.html | Feb 17 18:21 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Iraq orders ex-Blackwater contractors out - CNN.com .::. Size~: 48.76 KB | Feb 17 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Weird article for CNN | Feb 17 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Seen it yesterday and even RMS links to it... yes, to CNN!! | Feb 17 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Crappy Nationals for Nationals | Feb 17 18:21 |
| schestowitz | This is /some/ big fish: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/feb/14/bluefin-tuna-trade-ban-japan | Feb 17 18:22 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Push to ban trade in endangered bluefin tuna |Environment |The Observer .::. Size~: 73.8 KB | Feb 17 18:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-fg-iraq-vote14-2010feb14,0,7105553.story | Feb 17 18:23 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Iraq secular bloc suspends campaign - latimes.com .::. Size~: 111.07 KB | Feb 17 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, reverse correct infospeak | Feb 17 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Feb 17 18:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/14/coalition-forces-taliban-retreat | Feb 17 18:26 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Coalition troops force Taliban retreat from key stronghold |World news |The Observer .::. Size~: 78.83 KB | Feb 17 18:26 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/openoffice_org_3_2_0 | Feb 17 18:28 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: OpenOffice.org 3.2.0 released today - GullFOSS .::. Size~: 58.07 KB | Feb 17 18:28 |
| schestowitz | it runs on Windows too (for people like DaemonFOX) | Feb 17 18:28 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/quaste_now_supports_writing_test | Feb 17 18:28 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: QUASTe now supports writing Test Case Specifications - GullFOSS .::. Size~: 61.61 KB | Feb 17 18:28 |
| schestowitz | Let's see what gets cracked first. http://www.pcworld.com/article/189420/smartphone_hackers.html?tk=rss_news | Feb 17 18:31 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Hackers at Pwn2Own to Compete for $100K in Prizes - PCWorld .::. Size~: 64.95 KB | Feb 17 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Linux has a good rack record here | Feb 17 18:31 |
| schestowitz | *track record | Feb 17 18:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/189436/apple_banning_hackers.html?tk=rss_news | Feb 17 18:32 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Apple Banning Hackers From the App Store? - PCWorld .::. Size~: 68.4 KB | Feb 17 18:32 |
| schestowitz | People whom Apple does not approve = "hackers" | Feb 17 18:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @JMF1957: :) :) Casa Pia: Absolvidos todos os jornalistas acusados de violação do segredo de justiça http://is.gd/8AVy0 | Feb 17 18:33 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @gbraad: @linuxdotcom posted an article about #meego http://ur1.ca/ml3h Hardware Abstraction Software WTF to allow binary-only drivers. | Feb 17 18:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ♺ @gbraad: @linuxdotcom posted an article about #meego http://ur1.ca/ml3h Hardware Abstraction Software WTF to allow binary-only drivers. | Feb 17 18:35 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/189538/skype_on_verizon_a_bit_deal_or_not.html?tk=rss_news | Feb 17 18:37 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Skype on Verizon: A Big Deal or Not? - PCWorld .::. Size~: 63.5 KB | Feb 17 18:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/blog/2010/feb/14/project-postcard-design-chosen/ | Feb 17 18:42 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Pirate Party UK - Project Postcard: design chosen! .::. Size~: 16.42 KB | Feb 17 18:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100216/1034448184.shtml | Feb 17 18:47 |
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| schestowitz | wb, jweyrich | Feb 17 18:47 |
| jweyrich | ty schestowitz! how's everything? | Feb 17 18:48 |
| schestowitz | hola, where'e tobi? | Feb 17 18:48 |
| jweyrich | don't know, sent him a msg few minutes ago, but didn't answer. | Feb 17 18:48 |
| jweyrich | probably having some headaches @ work | Feb 17 18:48 |
| jweyrich | rnb: hello! | Feb 17 18:49 |
| jweyrich | idling people. | Feb 17 18:50 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100216/0311528177.shtml | Feb 17 18:50 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: How Someone Pretended To Be HJ Heinz On Twitter | Techdirt .::. Size~: 48.97 KB | Feb 17 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 17 18:51 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/blog/itinnovation/articles/20100216/0318428178.shtml | Feb 17 18:51 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Do IT People Hate Their Jobs? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 152.27 KB | Feb 17 18:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cio.com/article/534314/Where_has_IT_s_Passion_Gone_ | Feb 17 18:51 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Where has IT's Passion Gone? - CIO.com - Business Technology Leadership .::. Size~: 56.58 KB | Feb 17 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Astroturtle. heh. http://www.flickr.com/photos/astroturtle | Feb 17 18:52 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8513734.stm | Feb 17 18:52 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 88.08 KB | Feb 17 18:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Companies, I mean. The persons who participate in LF are (IMO) the public nice and willing face, but big companies have many hands. | Feb 17 18:58 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/16/tsa-forces-travellin.html | Feb 17 18:58 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: TSA forces travelling policeman to remove his disabled four-year-old son's leg-braces Boing Boing .::. Size~: 204.8 KB | Feb 17 18:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zimdaily.com/news/gnu27.8012.html | Feb 17 19:03 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: GNU faces collapse .::. Size~: 66.62 KB | Feb 17 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Not *that* gnu :-p | Feb 17 19:03 |
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| DaemonFC | watching Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind | Feb 17 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | I probably would have had a few disastrous relationships wiped from my memory | Feb 17 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | with something like that existed | Feb 17 19:15 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] MeeGo official website is up: http://meego.com/ finally I'm getting interested in cellphones as well. | Feb 17 19:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @joaomiranda: Quando chegou ao gabinete de Rui Pedro Soares a Judiciária já sabia que password usar para entrar nos computadores | Feb 17 19:38 | |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: good theme music | Feb 17 19:48 |
| schestowitz | daemonFC I meant, nm | Feb 17 19:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Dear #guardian , API is not the same as open source http://ur1.ca/mla5 #failstream #media | Feb 17 19:49 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Google's news experiment Living Stories to go open source |Media |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 93.68 KB | Feb 17 19:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] http://passo-a-rezar.net/ tem mp3 mas... TODOS OS DIREITOS RESERVADOS e nenhuma licença (eg. CC By-SA) com ideais católicos de partilha. | Feb 17 19:56 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Ou seja, http://passo-a-rezar.net/ tem MP3 com orações musicais MAS se partilhares com outros crentes estarás a ser um vil "pirata"! | Feb 17 19:57 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: rt the dent I just made | Feb 17 19:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | it hasnt shown up on the bot yet | Feb 17 19:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst see http://www.i4u.com/article30887.html | Feb 17 19:59 | |
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| schestowitz | rts don't work well | Feb 17 20:01 |
| schestowitz | and "@" stuff | Feb 17 20:01 |
| schestowitz | I haven't checked why, but it never worked well | Feb 17 20:01 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] 3 #Tesla execs dead in plane crash http://ur1.ca/mlat | Feb 17 20:02 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: 3 Tesla Execs Dead In Palo Alto Plane Crash - Tesla Plane Crash - Jalopnik .::. Size~: 60.29 KB | Feb 17 20:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz thanks ;-) | Feb 17 20:03 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] New blog post: Passo a Rezar, pouco cristã! http://blog.1407.org/2010/02/17/passo-a-rezar-pouco-crista/ | Feb 17 20:08 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Passo a Rezar, pouco cristã! « FU-BAR .::. Size~: 27.49 KB | Feb 17 20:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz Here is another one, know this one from Dutch Linux Magazine: http://tinyurl.com/yzo8txl | Feb 17 20:09 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Novo artigo no meu blog: "Passo a Rezar, pouco cristã!" http://blog.1407.org/2010/02/17/passo-a-rezar-pouco-crista/ | Feb 17 20:10 | |
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| schestowitz | diablod3 many execs die in car accidents every day | Feb 17 20:10 |
| schestowitz | We only care when metal falls from the sky and scan people for metals when they board the key-bound piece of metal | Feb 17 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/portable-hard-drive-duplicator-17-2-2010/ | Feb 17 20:30 |
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| Vernon | Joe ‘Zonker’ Brockmeier is speaking at our meeting tomorrow night. Is there anything I should ask him? | Feb 17 20:46 |
| Vernon | Is there anything I should read before hand? | Feb 17 20:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QMlJw6nMIc | Feb 17 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | Vernon: ask him why he left Novell | Feb 17 20:53 |
| schestowitz | He never explained why | Feb 17 20:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Alleged Israeli murder. Israeli spokesperson says not that mossad did not do it but there was no proof mossad did it. | Feb 17 20:57 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | http://www.alternet.org/environment/145694/did_bill_gates_just_give_the_most_important_climate_speech_of_the_year | Feb 17 21:01 |
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| MinceR | my guess is "no" | Feb 17 21:03 |
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| *schestowitz throws up | Feb 17 21:16 | |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzYgCdi9PjA | Feb 17 21:35 |
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| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: :) | Feb 17 21:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Raising eyebrows moment of the day: #Google buys #ON2 http://ur1.ca/lh7q | Feb 17 22:00 | |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: if you leave Gates in the north poll it might freeze the surrounding areas | Feb 17 22:00 |
| schestowitz | *pole | Feb 17 22:00 |
| schestowitz | On the negative side, monopolies like Microsoft and Monsanto would suffer | Feb 17 22:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I am sure he wants a Mausoleum like Lenin | Feb 17 22:09 |
| schestowitz | na..... me joking | Feb 17 22:22 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] General Black Jack Pershing, one bad motherfucker http://ur1.ca/mlmn #awesome | Feb 17 22:27 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] 5 of 5 stars to The Lost Symbol by Dan Brown - http://bit.ly/aUO3PR | Feb 17 22:48 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Omar S. (Amman, Jordan)'s review of The Lost Symbol .::. Size~: 15.26 KB | Feb 17 22:48 |
| *FurnaceBoy is strangely unmotivated to chase that link down | Feb 17 22:52 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @omar_s_hafez see this one: http://www.albawaba.com/en/countries/Jordan/261267 | Feb 17 22:53 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: albawaba.com middle east news information::Savvytek Lands the First Red-Hat Linux Virtualization Implementation Project at MEPS .::. Size~: 44.5 KB | Feb 17 22:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @lilmishap WTF? PCC rejects complaint over Jan Moir's Stephen Gately's column http://bit.ly/cyxCN3 / #WTF truly. That piece was shameful | Feb 17 22:55 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Diva ex machina. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/29029.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/542916.html | Feb 17 23:06 | |
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| _goblin | good evening everyone. | Feb 17 23:06 |
| schestowitz | 0/ | Feb 17 23:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux *Alone* Has Over 10 Millions Users (More Than 1% of Desktops) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/43213 | Feb 17 23:10 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora claims over 20 million installations. http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6922/1/ | Feb 17 23:11 | |
| Diablo-D3 | only 20 mill? | Feb 17 23:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | feh | Feb 17 23:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Survey: 2/3 Move to #GNU #Linux for Better Value for Money http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10015131o-114626b,00.htm | Feb 17 23:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] #Qi's #Ben #Nanonote on sale starting tomorrow thanks to our #TuxBrain spanish friends: http://www.tuxbrain.com/oscommerce/products/68 | Feb 17 23:13 | |
| Diablo-D3 | debian easily has twice that | Feb 17 23:13 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Zend Survey: 38.5% of Developers Chooses Desktop #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/mlpm Poor Mac... | Feb 17 23:14 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Saves #Windows from Microsoft's Own Mess http://blogs.computerworld.com/15595/using_linux_to_back_out_a_windows_xp_patch | Feb 17 23:16 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Using Linux to back out a Windows XP patch - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 135.04 KB | Feb 17 23:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Entrepreneur Tells How a Career of #GNU #Linux Kicked it off http://ur1.ca/mlpw | Feb 17 23:17 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Puts Computers in the Garbage, #GNU #Linux Salvages Them http://blog.hydrasystemsllc.com/2010/02/16/the-disposable-pc/ | Feb 17 23:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #JoikuSpot and Other Software Comes to #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/mlqb http://ur1.ca/mlqc | Feb 17 23:22 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #GNU #Linux Should Dump and Avoid #Comcast http://www.tribbleagency.com/?p=6865 | Feb 17 23:23 | |
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| oiaohm | http://cwe.mitre.org/top25/ Good read for those who think languages like .net are majorally more secuire. | Feb 17 23:23 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Servers Get Price Improvements http://www.thevarguy.com/2010/02/16/linux-server-discounts-from-lenovo-red-hat-and-tech-data/ | Feb 17 23:26 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Linux Server Discounts From Lenovo, Red Hat and Tech Data | The VAR Guy .::. Size~: 49.44 KB | Feb 17 23:26 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: new? | Feb 17 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: yes, Debian on server though | Feb 17 23:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | so? | Feb 17 23:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | fedora/redhat is 2nd most popular server distro | Feb 17 23:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | and you know they're counting them too | Feb 17 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Debian is also embedded in some NASes | Feb 17 23:29 |
| schestowitz | smolt | Feb 17 23:29 |
| schestowitz | and repo queries | Feb 17 23:29 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: I was thinking today, can Iraq demand reparations from the US and UK? | Feb 17 23:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @schestowitz That was amazing! Thanks Roy. | Feb 17 23:34 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Heise/The H Looks at Next #Linux ( #Kernel Space) Shortly Before Final Release http://ur1.ca/mlro | Feb 17 23:38 | |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: that is the new list for bugs that common breached systems last year. Lot of them don't link to what .net and java languages protect against. To be correct php and other equal languages have been breached. | Feb 17 23:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Graphics Stack: A Look at Nouveau, Catalyst, X Server 1.7 http://ur1.ca/mlrv http://ur1.ca/mlrw http://ur1.ca/mlrx | Feb 17 23:41 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] You know the recession is biting when American call centre employees take Indian accent coaching and take Indian names for callers. | Feb 17 23:42 | |
| FurnaceBoy | http://www.grist.org/article/2010-02-17-why-bill-gates-is-wrong-on-energy-and-climate | Feb 17 23:42 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How to Choose a Desktop Environment, Review of #KDE 4.4 http://ur1.ca/mls2 http://ur1.ca/mls3 | Feb 17 23:43 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Distributions Overview and Recommendation (Not One Size Fits All) http://www.labnol.org/software/best-linux-distros/12757/ | Feb 17 23:44 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @drgrist My new post: Why Bill Gates is wrong: http://is.gd/8C0Vj // #energy #climate #fraud #crime #antitrust #microsoft | Feb 17 23:44 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Samsung-I8250/ Hmm wonder how long people start packing a small projector screen and skipping the laptop/nettop. | Feb 17 23:46 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Gets Banksters' Endorsement, Milestone in #Jordan http://ur1.ca/mlsa http://ur1.ca/mlsb | Feb 17 23:47 | |
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| MinceR | a keyboard is still needed :> | Feb 17 23:47 |
| MinceR | and a surface to project on | Feb 17 23:47 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] God has a sense of humor but apparently takes cash only http://ur1.ca/mls7 | Feb 17 23:47 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian -derived #SimplyMEPIS 8.5 is Now in Fifth Beta http://ur1.ca/mlse http://ur1.ca/mlsf #mepis #gnu | Feb 17 23:48 | |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: projection bluetooth keyboard and a protector screen. You are kinda covered. Both are very light and very small. | Feb 17 23:48 |
| MinceR | bluetooth? only if i want my keystrokes sniffed and injected. :> | Feb 17 23:49 |
| MinceR | usb host functionality wouldn't hurt. | Feb 17 23:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/02/microsoft_reminds_mvps_of_ndas_hoping_to_thwart_tmi_on_twitter.html | Feb 17 23:49 |
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| oiaohm | It has usb hook up as well. The projection keyboard. MinceR | Feb 17 23:49 |
| MinceR | of course it still presents challenges if you want to use it in your lap. :> | Feb 17 23:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 10.04 Gets Many Nice Additions and New Service http://ur1.ca/mlsk http://ur1.ca/misa | Feb 17 23:50 | |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: thanks. I'll write about it in the morning | Feb 17 23:50 |
| MinceR | the projection keyboard has no tactile feedback, therefore it's useless | Feb 17 23:50 |
| MinceR | i've seen a foldable usb keyboard, though | Feb 17 23:50 |
| oiaohm | Not really all depends how the projection screen is design. | Feb 17 23:50 |
| oiaohm | And how far back the phone has to bee. | Feb 17 23:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: ping? | Feb 17 23:50 |
| oiaohm | Ie screen of phone being mouse MinceR. And the projector screen being a thin folder. | Feb 17 23:51 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Downloading !lo on my G1. | Feb 17 23:52 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@stephintoronto Honestly, if you wrote a screenplay, "A Saturday whizzing around downtown by #ttc" it would be hilarious #toronto | Feb 17 23:53 | |
| oiaohm | Of course that phone is not correctly layed out to use with sixthsense tech either MinceR. | Feb 17 23:55 |
| MinceR | sixthsense? | Feb 17 23:55 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] reading "The Busy Coder's Guide to Android Development". Nice and to the point. | Feb 17 23:57 | |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SixthSense_%28device%29 | Feb 17 23:57 |
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| oiaohm | It a bit of a different setup. It can do all kinds of warped things when it has a projector and cam pointing in the same kind of direction. | Feb 17 23:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Catching up on #WWE #RAW (Jerry Springer host) what does this have to do with wrestling? Utter rubbish. Is this what todays fan wants? | Feb 17 23:59 | |
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