| oiaohm | Some of the new ones are not doing red ring of death. They are doing the black screen of death. Chips_B_Malroy | Feb 21 00:00 |
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| oiaohm | Power supply circuity on board failing. | Feb 21 00:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | E74? | Feb 21 00:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | still | Feb 21 00:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | no matter how you look at it, at least in the USA where I am, the government has failed to protect its citizens from badly constructed products like XBox360. Its only cars they concern themselves with. | Feb 21 00:04 |
| oiaohm | No this is new. No generation of error code. | Feb 21 00:04 |
| oiaohm | The box just fails to start at all. | Feb 21 00:04 |
| oiaohm | Seams they got a bad batch of power regulators recently or they power regulators are not heat sinked well enough. | Feb 21 00:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I was amused that the Reporters that attended the "preview" (vaporware) of WinMo 7 had to stand out in the pouring rain for 20 minutes until MS decided to let them in. | Feb 21 00:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the rain in spain | Feb 21 00:11 |
| oiaohm | Really I hope almost no Winmo 7 phones come into existance. | Feb 21 00:13 |
| oiaohm | It really would break a lot of those reporters. | Feb 21 00:13 |
| oiaohm | People have not noticed that WinMo 7 is WinCE 6 so effectively MS has killed off one OS department. | Feb 21 00:14 |
| oiaohm | Now Kill of Windows CE and make everyone happy. | Feb 21 00:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | just hope the next time MS "previews" some piece of vaporware, its not Iceland this time,in the Wintertime. No telling how many of their Shills could freeze to death. | Feb 21 00:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | WinMo 7 is stealing ideas from the Ipad, no multi-tasking | Feb 21 00:16 |
| MinceR | from the hypePhone :> | Feb 21 00:16 |
| MinceR | also, crApp store only | Feb 21 00:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "I'm tired of your motherfucking shit" - Barack Obama. Audio: http://is.gd/8PjzD | Feb 21 00:19 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: April Winchell » Barack Obama is tired of your motherfucking shit .::. Size~: 119.78 KB | Feb 21 00:19 |
| oiaohm | No pick the south pole then leave the reporters out side Chips_B_Malroy | Feb 21 00:24 |
| balzac | >_> | Feb 21 00:24 |
| balzac | <_< | Feb 21 00:24 |
| balzac | -_- | Feb 21 00:25 |
| MinceR | <(^_^<) | Feb 21 00:25 |
| MinceR | (>^_^)> | Feb 21 00:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Yes, but this shows the comtempt, or the distain, or arrogance of MS, leaving reporters out in the rain? Someone, or someones, should be looking 4 new jobs at MS. Do they have such control over these reporters that they don't fear negative stories as a result? From what I read, no need to fear. These reporters are mostly Shills anyway. | Feb 21 00:32 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | So Twitter is never on here anymore, or has he dropped that handle? | Feb 21 00:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I used to like his doom of MS articles | Feb 21 00:44 |
| MinceR | haven't seen him for ages | Feb 21 00:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MinceR> yes | Feb 21 00:47 |
| tessier__ | schestowitz: Ok, rebooting boycottnovell.com. Back up in a few minutes.... | Feb 21 00:47 |
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| tessier__ | And we're back up. | Feb 21 00:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] 38degC fever, slept all day. V bored, run out of internet. | Feb 21 00:49 | |
| tessier__ | How often do things go faster/easier than you expect? Hardly ever. That was nice. | Feb 21 00:49 |
| tessier__ | We'll have to do this once more at some point in the near future to give it a different IP on the dmz network. Right now it is out on the public network. | Feb 21 00:49 |
| tessier__ | I am moving everything towards being PCI compliant including our non card-processing/out of PCI scope hosts. Security is good for everyone. | Feb 21 00:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | How long do you think Novell has before they need to sell? Look at Sun, Sun might have been in better shape than Novell. | Feb 21 00:50 |
| tessier__ | Especially a site like boycottnovell which occasionally attracts unwanted attention. | Feb 21 00:50 |
| tessier__ | Chips_B_Malroy: I am wondering just how long this SCO thing can go on. Good lord. | Feb 21 00:51 |
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| tessier__ | I can't believe we have been following this for years. | Feb 21 00:51 |
| ender2070 | anyone see this: http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=5903 | Feb 21 00:51 |
| tessier__ | Longer than the AT&T UNIX/BSDI stuff went on. | Feb 21 00:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Tessier> SCO, afriad the fix is in there. IMO a lot of money has changed hands | Feb 21 00:51 |
| tessier__ | Chips_B_Malroy: I don't think the fix is in really. SCO is losing/has lost. It's all over but the crying. But man, they sure can cry. | Feb 21 00:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | people have been bought, most likely, or this would have been done long ago | Feb 21 00:52 |
| tessier__ | bbiab... | Feb 21 00:53 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | wonder what the record is for length of time in the USA for a bankrupcy case? SCO must be in the top 5% as far as length of time. | Feb 21 00:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The one judge and the trustee, (I don't trust em) seem to be very friendly to SCO | Feb 21 00:56 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | remember the DOJ case against MS, and how Bush came in with MS money in his campaign | Feb 21 00:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | this SCO case reeks of suspected M$ money behind it corrupting everything and everybody | Feb 21 00:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | almost everybody | Feb 21 00:58 |
| ender2070 | suspected? | Feb 21 01:00 |
| ender2070 | I thought it came out and was guaranteed | Feb 21 01:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | baystar? | Feb 21 01:01 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Feb 21 01:01 |
| ender2070 | I think | Feb 21 01:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I thing there are more connections | Feb 21 01:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *think | Feb 21 01:02 |
| ender2070 | yeah definately | Feb 21 01:02 |
| ender2070 | even if ms didnt order the lawsuit they were funding it to keep it going | Feb 21 01:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | there is something rotten in Redmond | Feb 21 01:02 |
| ender2070 | yes, its called monopoly | Feb 21 01:03 |
| ender2070 | and a sense of entitlement | Feb 21 01:03 |
| ender2070 | people forget their corporate goal | Feb 21 01:03 |
| ender2070 | a pc in every home running microsoft | Feb 21 01:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Both MS and Sun paid SCO for licensing. Sun I could see feared SCO, because of Solarius, but MS did it to use SCO as a weapon against Linux | Feb 21 01:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | 16 million wasn't it that MS paid SCO for licensing? | Feb 21 01:04 |
| ender2070 | yeah I think | Feb 21 01:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | that was public record I think | Feb 21 01:04 |
| ender2070 | MS wasn't even liable for any sort of unix issues either | Feb 21 01:05 |
| ender2070 | SCO was trying to say anything based on unix was theirs, which is insane | Feb 21 01:05 |
| oiaohm | MS was ender2070 | Feb 21 01:05 |
| ender2070 | based on unix code | Feb 21 01:05 |
| oiaohm | posix part in NT. | Feb 21 01:05 |
| ender2070 | posix !=unix | Feb 21 01:06 |
| oiaohm | Partly comes from a Unix starting with X MS took over. | Feb 21 01:06 |
| oiaohm | There was a blood line leading back there. | Feb 21 01:06 |
| ender2070 | ms could have faught it cause it was frivilous | Feb 21 01:06 |
| ender2070 | but they funded it instead | Feb 21 01:07 |
| schestowitz | tessier: thanks | Feb 21 01:07 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenix | Feb 21 01:07 |
| oiaohm | Xenix ender2070 | Feb 21 01:07 |
| ender2070 | what about Xenix | Feb 21 01:07 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmm... I can't connect... DNS thing? | Feb 21 01:07 |
| ender2070 | ms paid licensing over unix tools for windows | Feb 21 01:08 |
| oiaohm | And those tools have blood line going back to Xenix. | Feb 21 01:09 |
| ender2070 | in fact, the original sco helped port Xenix to 8086/8088 | Feb 21 01:09 |
| schestowitz | tessier: still there? | Feb 21 01:09 |
| oiaohm | Yep ender2070 | Feb 21 01:09 |
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| oiaohm | Exactly sco helped Xenix to port programs MS used in there posix tools to 8086 | Feb 21 01:10 |
| schestowitz | Oh, it's back up :-) :-D | Feb 21 01:10 |
| oiaohm | That is where the trouble for MS comes in ender2070. Some of there code base for the posix tools did own to SCO and they had not be paying for it. | Feb 21 01:10 |
| oiaohm | So really MS it was pay up or suffer. | Feb 21 01:10 |
| ender2070 | however Novell owns unix | Feb 21 01:11 |
| oiaohm | Ie SCO vs MS was pure copyright the Unix bit was not even required. | Feb 21 01:11 |
| ender2070 | ohh ok | Feb 21 01:11 |
| ender2070 | weird | Feb 21 01:12 |
| ender2070 | In 1987 Microsoft transferred ownership of Xenix to SCO in an agreement that left Microsoft owning 25% of SCO. When Microsoft eventually lost interest in OS/2 as well, it based its further high-end strategy on Windows NT. | Feb 21 01:12 |
| ender2070 | MS had 25% of SCO | Feb 21 01:12 |
| _goblin | hi all! | Feb 21 01:12 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Feb 21 01:12 |
| ender2070 | what happened when SCO was purchased by Caldera | Feb 21 01:12 |
| oiaohm | Note they transfered owner ship of Xenix to SCO then proceed to use the Xenix code latter on NT. | Feb 21 01:13 |
| oiaohm | I really wonder how many other places MS has breached copyrights. | Feb 21 01:13 |
| ender2070 | what happens if ms owns part of the company though? | Feb 21 01:14 |
| oiaohm | Also does Novell own UNIX or does the opengroup. | Feb 21 01:14 |
| oiaohm | Because the BSD settlement puts the opengroup in charge of all UNIX trademarks. | Feb 21 01:14 |
| ender2070 | Novell owns the unix "bloodline" per say | Feb 21 01:14 |
| oiaohm | BSD settlement ender2070 | Feb 21 01:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Had a nice email from my cousin appearing impressed at my reader base....Im chuffed, he's the pro-coder/IT expert of our family! | Feb 21 01:15 | |
| oiaohm | Ie where Novell got caught nicking the BSD source code. | Feb 21 01:15 |
| oiaohm | This makes ownership of Unix so hard to determin. | Feb 21 01:15 |
| oiaohm | There are a lot of things effecting ownership. | Feb 21 01:15 |
| ender2070 | in 2007 a court ruled that Novell still owned the copyrights[25] to original AT&T UNIX source code and derivatives, including SVRX (System V, Release X). | Feb 21 01:16 |
| oiaohm | That was Novell vs SCO | Feb 21 01:16 |
| oiaohm | OpenGroup did not challange. | Feb 21 01:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | SCO has appealed that ruling | Feb 21 01:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and this case is not going end until that appeal is exsauted | Feb 21 01:17 |
| oiaohm | The AT&T Unix source code was effected by the BSD vs Novell case. | Feb 21 01:17 |
| oiaohm | Might turn out Novell still has the own ship of the code. | Feb 21 01:18 |
| oiaohm | But has no right to enforce anything due to the BSD aggreement. | Feb 21 01:18 |
| oiaohm | And also not transferable due to the BSD agreement | Feb 21 01:18 |
| MinceR | gn | Feb 21 01:18 |
| oiaohm | Basically when you start talking about core code of Unix it legally gets messy. | Feb 21 01:19 |
| oiaohm | Also even if SCO gets out of Novell case. IBM still has the right to bring thiers. | Feb 21 01:19 |
| oiaohm | Really the SCO case has done open source good. It proved that attacking open source is not a push over. Particularly if they decide to push back. | Feb 21 01:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Well, its has proved that IBM and Novell are not pushovers | Feb 21 01:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But since we don't know the amount of money, if any, that Autozone settled for, it has not proved that businesses cannot be shakened down | Feb 21 01:22 |
| oiaohm | Even if SCO wins. | Feb 21 01:22 |
| oiaohm | They still lose. | Feb 21 01:22 |
| oiaohm | SUN made an agreement that anything they ship is covered so protected against SCO attack forever downstream. And sun shipped the Linux kernel code back to kernel.org. | Feb 21 01:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I hope so, but I take the wait and see way here. Too much has happened that should not have. | Feb 21 01:24 |
| oiaohm | Win lose . | Feb 21 01:24 |
| oiaohm | Open source world covered. | Feb 21 01:24 |
| schestowitz | That's just spin, IMHO. Like saying thatb the rain is great because it waters your garden. | Feb 21 01:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I see MS most likely the hand behind all this. But I agree that Linux will come out of this safe. What I think M$ gains from this is FUD against businesses that might go to Linux | Feb 21 01:26 |
| oiaohm | Novell should have been the big gainer but it appears to be going no where. Chips_B_Malroy | Feb 21 01:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Oiahm> your point about MS paying SCO 16 million for licence fees because MS uses some unix code? I really don't think they feared SCO. But if they did, and Novell wins, MS is covered against further lawsuit until the agreement runs in soon between them and Novell | Feb 21 01:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *out soon | Feb 21 01:45 |
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| oiaohm | Techincally no the agreement between Novell and MS does not cover unix releated codes. | Feb 21 01:49 |
| oiaohm | So even that Novell and MS have an agreement Novell still could take hide out of MS. | Feb 21 01:49 |
| oiaohm | Ie lot of people have asked where is the money in the SCO Novell case. The answer is MS. | Feb 21 01:49 |
| oiaohm | Ie where is the money for Novell. | Feb 21 01:50 |
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| ender2070 | it could be one reason ms would even want a novell deal | Feb 21 01:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | oiaohm> we agree again! To sue and get money, you have to sue those who have money. M$ loves to tell everyone how much they have. | Feb 21 01:52 |
| ender2070 | but only one reason | Feb 21 01:52 |
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| oiaohm | ender2070: lot of deals with Linux done my MS have equaled the kiss of death to that distribution. | Feb 21 01:53 |
| oiaohm | my/by | Feb 21 01:53 |
| oiaohm | Novell is one of the longest lasting after deal. | Feb 21 01:54 |
| ender2070 | except Redhat | Feb 21 01:54 |
| ender2070 | their deal excludes the nasty things novell agreed to | Feb 21 01:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its only of all the companies that MS did patent cross licencing deals with, that MS paid Novell millions of dollars (thinking 244 million appox) | Feb 21 01:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ask yourself why? | Feb 21 01:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, more than one reason | Feb 21 01:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | if MS really feared SCO unix licence, and bought protection for only 16 million (really more likely a gift) then what will it take to settle with Novell, if they win? | Feb 21 01:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I am betting that the MS-Novell agreement will end first, before the SCO case ends. | Feb 21 01:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Maybe Novell has a future as a patent troll against MS? If the SCO appeals fall though | Feb 21 02:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | That would be funny | Feb 21 02:01 |
| ender2070 | or | Feb 21 02:05 |
| ender2070 | maybe ms wants a better deal on its unix licensing | Feb 21 02:05 |
| ender2070 | so they let Novell use c# | Feb 21 02:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | or they want a way to sue Novell when the agreement ends | Feb 21 02:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it aways was a time limited agreement yes? | Feb 21 02:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | now you have the licences, and now you don't | Feb 21 02:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | M$ Five Year Plan, maybe? | Feb 21 02:08 |
| ender2070 | lol | Feb 21 02:08 |
| ender2070 | then they find out how real the community promise is | Feb 21 02:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the real commies | Feb 21 02:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post | Setting An Example - Fedora Style | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/y8mlszj | Feb 21 02:09 | |
| ender2070 | I *just* had an issue with someone who was trying to open a .odf file in ms office | Feb 21 02:10 |
| ender2070 | they thought they had Microsoft Open Office | Feb 21 02:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How #GNU #Linux Beats #Windows on Deprived Hardware http://ur1.ca/mye0 http://ur1.ca/mye1 http://ur1.ca/mye2 | Feb 21 02:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Encourages Culture of Constructive Creativity http://ur1.ca/myeg http://ur1.ca/myeh http://ur1.ca/myei | Feb 21 02:14 | |
| ender2070 | looks like opensuse 11.3 will have GCC 4.5 | Feb 21 02:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Facts About #GNU #Linux and Why It Wins Through Evolutionary Process http://ur1.ca/myek http://ur1.ca/myel | Feb 21 02:15 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MacOSX Users Leave #Apple and Come to Desktop #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/myep http://ur1.ca/myeq | Feb 21 02:17 | |
| ender2070 | im wondering how fast a linux os would be with gcc 4.5, kde 4.4 and qt 4.6 | Feb 21 02:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Newegg and #VirginMedia Are Bad to #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/myex http://ur1.ca/myey | Feb 21 02:18 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Staples Adds #GNU #Linux Support http://www.informationweek.com/news/security/management/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=210604034 | Feb 21 02:18 | |
| ender2070 | http://news.opensuse.org/2010/02/17/number-two-always-tries-harder-opensuse-milestone-2/ | Feb 21 02:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy> use Opera on Newegg | Feb 21 02:19 |
| ender2070 | ? | Feb 21 02:19 |
| ender2070 | do they block it? | Feb 21 02:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Security is Commonly Powered/Enabled by #GNU #Linux http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10015159o-2000643222b,00.htm | Feb 21 02:20 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Enjoys #VM Prowess http://ur1.ca/myf5 http://ur1.ca/myf6 http://ur1.ca/myf7 | Feb 21 02:21 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ender2070> bno, but sometimes I have had trouble logging into newegg in the past with Firefox, Opera always worked for me | Feb 21 02:21 |
| ender2070 | weird | Feb 21 02:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | only a very few sites I ever had trouble with, and Opera solved them as a backup browser | Feb 21 02:22 |
| ender2070 | firefox is my backup browser | Feb 21 02:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I like chrome too | Feb 21 02:23 |
| ender2070 | how did u know! | Feb 21 02:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Tanenbaum Proven Wrong About #FreeSoftware for #Kernel http://ur1.ca/myfg #linux #minix | Feb 21 02:23 | |
| ender2070 | lol | Feb 21 02:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but Opera is my backup for compatablity | Feb 21 02:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free #Nvidia Driver ( #Nouveau ) Added to #Graphics Stack in #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/myfl #kernel | Feb 21 02:24 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | opera on xp at a relative place, let me actually change the router settings, where Firefox could not | Feb 21 02:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *relatives | Feb 21 02:24 |
| ender2070 | I run chromium myself | Feb 21 02:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | was securing it for them | Feb 21 02:24 |
| ender2070 | i almost never need to use firefox for backup but its there | Feb 21 02:25 |
| ender2070 | i dont trust proprietary software | Feb 21 02:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its why I use Firefox | Feb 21 02:25 |
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| phIRCe-BNc | Hello World! | Feb 21 02:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but I not going to install IE4Lin or something | Feb 21 02:26 |
| ender2070 | i've used firefox for router configs | Feb 21 02:26 |
| ender2070 | chromium for everything else | Feb 21 02:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it failed that time for me | Feb 21 02:26 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: I don't have Opera | Feb 21 02:26 |
| ender2070 | I haven't had anyhting bitch about requiring IE for years | Feb 21 02:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I don't know what fails, probably something to do with ActiveX | Feb 21 02:27 |
| ender2070 | what | Feb 21 02:28 |
| ender2070 | people still use activex ? | Feb 21 02:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | web sites | Feb 21 02:28 |
| ender2070 | like? | Feb 21 02:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | a very very few, unless u in Korea | Feb 21 02:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | tracfone | Feb 21 02:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | in their menu's once u log in | Feb 21 02:29 |
| ender2070 | i would file bug reports telling them their sites aren't web pages | Feb 21 02:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | firefox used to fail there, opera did not | Feb 21 02:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | better, buy from another company | Feb 21 02:30 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Feb 21 02:30 |
| ender2070 | firefox helped the non-IE reliance | Feb 21 02:30 |
| ender2070 | but | Feb 21 02:30 |
| ender2070 | firefox is now a target of malware and toolbars | Feb 21 02:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | everything is a target for malware in Windows | Feb 21 02:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Windows, the OS under-neath Firefox (if you use windows) is unsecure by default. Built a house of sand or cards | Feb 21 02:33 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | so how would you expect Firefox or any browser to be safe runnning Windows? | Feb 21 02:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | pull the plug is the best way | Feb 21 02:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yep, pull the plug on live support for Windows and let it die. Its too sick from all the malware to live on. | Feb 21 02:37 |
| ender2070 | theres still extensions | Feb 21 02:38 |
| ender2070 | cross platform | Feb 21 02:38 |
| schestowitz | Extensions in the octopus sense | Feb 21 02:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS does not have the desire to fix the horrendus security problems with Windows, ask yourself why? | Feb 21 02:41 |
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| Diablo-D3 | roy | Feb 21 02:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | dont post about goddamned "editions" of linux | Feb 21 02:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | its retarded and you're just encouraging it | Feb 21 02:43 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Many Wallpapers and Review of #Mandriva #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/myh8 http://ur1.ca/myh9 | Feb 21 02:47 | |
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| ght656h65yhh5 | wat | Feb 21 02:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Gentoo Family Loved Very Much by Some http://wonkabar.org/2010/02/19/using-gentoo/ #gnu #linux | Feb 21 02:48 | |
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| ender2070 | PPA = no hardcore Q&A like the rest of the distro | Feb 21 02:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora #GNU #Linux 14 in the Details http://lwn.net/Articles/374843/rss #redhat #Rawhide | Feb 21 02:50 | |
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| ender2070 | i'd like to see 4.4 in backports, not in some optional ppa | Feb 21 02:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ideas for Booting #KolibriOS and #Debian #GNU #Linux in Tandem http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2010/02/18/dual-booting-debian-and-kolibrios/ | Feb 21 02:51 | |
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| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: editions? | Feb 21 02:54 |
| schestowitz | Hey, ght656h65yhh5 | Feb 21 02:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes | Feb 21 02:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | now its a sbayoean gaming edition | Feb 21 02:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | in other words | Feb 21 02:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | I CAN JUST APT_GET EVERYTHING | Feb 21 02:55 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Feb 21 02:57 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] "Maths is full of absolute values, unfortunately life isnt" (via @salva_eswar) | Feb 21 02:57 | |
| schestowitz | I still call it sabayon gnu linux and attribute gentoo | Feb 21 02:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | I call it shit. | Feb 21 02:57 |
| schestowitz | So the awareness of those projects is increased | Feb 21 02:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | If its not Debian, its shit. | Feb 21 02:57 |
| schestowitz | No | Feb 21 02:58 |
| schestowitz | Debian can be s* too | Feb 21 02:58 |
| schestowitz | You just add to it the Ubuntu default theme | Feb 21 02:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Brown, ugh! | Feb 21 03:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: dude | Feb 21 03:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | ubuntu can suck my dick | Feb 21 03:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | oh, wait, you can change wallpaper | Feb 21 03:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | fucking microsoft shill | Feb 21 03:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | *shills | Feb 21 03:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I will be interesting where Assay takes them | Feb 21 03:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *Asay | Feb 21 03:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Crucial to the Mobile World http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Cellular/11542.html | Feb 21 03:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux -powered #TonidoPlug "Works Wonderfully" http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/6987/1/ | Feb 21 03:07 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Small Projectors and #Linux Go Hand in Hand http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Samsung-I8250/ | Feb 21 03:08 | |
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| ender2070 | [21:51] <Diablo-D3> If its not Debian, its shit. | Feb 21 03:38 |
| ender2070 | bullshit | Feb 21 03:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | suck my dick | Feb 21 03:38 |
| ender2070 | fedora > debian | Feb 21 03:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | arrgh! ender2070 is a microsoft shill too! | Feb 21 03:40 |
| ender2070 | microsoft shill? | Feb 21 03:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | fedora ships mono on the install CD | Feb 21 03:40 |
| ender2070 | bullshit | Feb 21 03:40 |
| ender2070 | they dont even include it in default gnome, like debian does | Feb 21 03:41 |
| ender2070 | if you apt-get gnome | Feb 21 03:41 |
| ender2070 | both fedora livecd's have no mono | Feb 21 03:41 |
| ender2070 | kde and gnome versions | Feb 21 03:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: wait wait wait | Feb 21 03:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | rewind there | Feb 21 03:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | debian does not include ANY DESKTOP ENVIRONMENT AT ALL by default | Feb 21 03:42 |
| ender2070 | rewind and read | Feb 21 03:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | you're thinking of ubuntu | Feb 21 03:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | which is also shit | Feb 21 03:42 |
| ender2070 | debians gnome includes mono | Feb 21 03:42 |
| ender2070 | if you "apt-get gnome" | Feb 21 03:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | debian's gnome is not defaultly installed | Feb 21 03:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | this I am completely free to install xfce | Feb 21 03:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | since xfce does not support or fund terrorism like gnome does | Feb 21 03:42 |
| ender2070 | IF YOU INSTALL THE GLOBAL GNOME PACKAGE YOU GET MONO | Feb 21 03:42 |
| ender2070 | L2READ | Feb 21 03:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | BUT DEBIAN DOESNT INSTALL GNOME BY DEFAULT | Feb 21 03:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | FEDORA AND UBUNTU DOES | Feb 21 03:43 |
| ender2070 | NEITHER DOES FEDORA | Feb 21 03:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | BOTH OF THEM INCLUDE MONO ON INSTALL CD | Feb 21 03:43 |
| ender2070 | WRONG | Feb 21 03:43 |
| ender2070 | stop lying | Feb 21 03:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | DEBIAN BARELY _HAS_ AN INSTALL CD | Feb 21 03:43 |
| ender2070 | Both of Fedora's livecd's exclude mono, KDE and Gnome versions | Feb 21 03:43 |
| ender2070 | the DVD of Fedora doesnt have a default UI, you chose between Gnome and KDE and STILL dont get mono | Feb 21 03:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | that sounds like bullshit to me | Feb 21 03:44 |
| ender2070 | well you're wrong | Feb 21 03:44 |
| ender2070 | i actually run fedora | Feb 21 03:44 |
| ender2070 | precisely because it has no mono | Feb 21 03:44 |
| ender2070 | its been gone since version 11 | Feb 21 03:44 |
| ender2070 | they removed tomboy and replaced it with gnote | Feb 21 03:45 |
| ender2070 | and gthumb instead of fspot | Feb 21 03:45 |
| ender2070 | in addition to this, fedora has a very strict policy on what is included | Feb 21 03:45 |
| ender2070 | no mp3 codecs, no proprietary anything | Feb 21 03:46 |
| ender2070 | actually since version 10 | Feb 21 03:46 |
| ender2070 | according to Roy | Feb 21 03:46 |
| ender2070 | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/15/no-mono-in-fedora-10/ | Feb 21 03:46 |
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| ender2070 | another thing, i dont run gnome either because i think its being infected with more and more mono bits | Feb 21 03:48 |
| ender2070 | KDE ftw | Feb 21 03:49 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | a comment on mini's site https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?postID=3061876540397221260&blogID=7555958&isPopup=false&page=2 | Feb 21 03:50 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | "I don't know how this is hidden, but fact is that Microsoft earns a lot just moving money across countries, betting on currency fluctuations. A lot of people in Finance are dedicated to this. When you have 60billion to move around, we are not talking about pennies here..." | Feb 21 03:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | So MS might be playing the money game, and getting away with it because they are an international company. This is most likely another way to evade taxes as well. | Feb 21 03:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | playing the currency markets | Feb 21 03:53 |
| ender2070 | hhahahahaha | Feb 21 03:53 |
| ender2070 | http://consumerist.com/2010/02/foxconn-workers-in-mexico-revolt-set-factory-on-fire.html | Feb 21 03:53 |
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| ender2070 | LOL @ Foxconn | Feb 21 03:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ender2070> isn't Foxconn the company that makes some XBox360's for M$? And isn't Foxconn the computer that made a bios for a motherboard that hosed Linux, that was pointed out by DaemonFC? | Feb 21 03:56 |
| ender2070 | yes | Feb 21 03:58 |
| ender2070 | Foxconn also makes very low quality motherboards that die all the time | Feb 21 03:58 |
| ender2070 | at least the ones they self brand | Feb 21 03:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | then we should supply the marchmello's | Feb 21 03:59 |
| ender2070 | yes | Feb 21 03:59 |
| ender2070 | thats why I thought it was funny | Feb 21 03:59 |
| ender2070 | Foxconn china also managed to have one of their employees commit suicide over an iphone theft | Feb 21 03:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so thanks to your link, we know #3 about Foxconn, they screw their workers in low paid countries too | Feb 21 04:00 |
| ender2070 | I would too if I was going to face a chinese court. they are nothing but show trials. | Feb 21 04:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | correction, #4 | Feb 21 04:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | a lapdog company to M$ | Feb 21 04:00 |
| ender2070 | just being accused means you're guilty in china | Feb 21 04:01 |
| oiaohm | The foxconn bios one is interesting. | Feb 21 04:01 |
| ender2070 | yeah sort of | Feb 21 04:01 |
| oiaohm | More interesting than most know. | Feb 21 04:01 |
| ender2070 | i dont know the full scoop | Feb 21 04:01 |
| oiaohm | foxconn bios followed MS reference for bios. | Feb 21 04:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I think Ryan exposed it | Feb 21 04:01 |
| oiaohm | Not only was it breaking Linux. | Feb 21 04:02 |
| ender2070 | i just remember at the time recommending that my store stop selling foxconn boards | Feb 21 04:02 |
| oiaohm | It was breaking windows. | Feb 21 04:02 |
| ender2070 | among other reasons not to sell them | Feb 21 04:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | foxconn is weird | Feb 21 04:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | under other brands, they sell decent shit | Feb 21 04:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | under their own, its really fucking shitty | Feb 21 04:02 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Feb 21 04:02 |
| ender2070 | their self branded stuff is super low end dog shit | Feb 21 04:02 |
| ender2070 | printed on very thin PCB's | Feb 21 04:02 |
| oiaohm | Complete Foxconn bios issue started at MS. | Feb 21 04:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, foxconn does apple, at least two video card manufs, and a few others | Feb 21 04:02 |
| ender2070 | foxconn oem's for other companies based on their specs though | Feb 21 04:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah | Feb 21 04:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | they just choose to undercut their own brand | Feb 21 04:03 |
| ender2070 | lol | Feb 21 04:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | which, well, is their own business | Feb 21 04:03 |
| ender2070 | remember foxconn's sexist video cards? | Feb 21 04:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: dude | Feb 21 04:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | all video cards are sexist | Feb 21 04:03 |
| ender2070 | no dude | Feb 21 04:03 |
| ender2070 | this one said | Feb 21 04:03 |
| ender2070 | "FOXCONN ISN'T FOR GIRLS" | Feb 21 04:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: wow. | Feb 21 04:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | wait | Feb 21 04:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | doesnt that just make them gay, not sexist? | Feb 21 04:04 |
| ender2070 | in jest yes | Feb 21 04:04 |
| ender2070 | lol | Feb 21 04:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | seriously though | Feb 21 04:04 |
| ender2070 | not in seriousness | Feb 21 04:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | when was the last time you bought a video card that didnt have a half naked woman on the box, if not the heatsink shield too | Feb 21 04:05 |
| ender2070 | well saying their card isnt for girls doesnt imply homosexuality | Feb 21 04:05 |
| ender2070 | it excludes females | Feb 21 04:05 |
| oiaohm | I wish I could remember the model a-bit video card with no fan but a full ceramic heatsink. | Feb 21 04:06 |
| ender2070 | just like you could say "Playboy" isn't for girls | Feb 21 04:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | it... isnt? | Feb 21 04:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude, I've known straight chicks who read it. | Feb 21 04:06 |
| ender2070 | read it? | Feb 21 04:06 |
| ender2070 | seriously? | Feb 21 04:06 |
| oiaohm | Playboy is kinda smart. If guys look at the pictures. If there are good articals in there girls don't dump it. Ie win win. | Feb 21 04:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: by read it, I mean schlick away to the nude women | Feb 21 04:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | no one reads the articles in playboy, not even straight women or gay men. | Feb 21 04:08 |
| ender2070 | playboy must be terrible, i've heard its 90% words | Feb 21 04:09 |
| ender2070 | if you're only in it for the pictures | Feb 21 04:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, its no google image search. | Feb 21 04:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | dohohohoho | Feb 21 04:13 |
| oiaohm | http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=5903 Can flame baiting get any less openly displayed than this. | Feb 21 04:14 |
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| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: dana is clearly :3 | Feb 21 04:16 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Baskar has this caller tune "நான் பார்த்ததிலே அவள் ஒருத்தியைத் தான் நல்ல அழகி என்பேன் .." loved it :D | Feb 21 04:32 | |
| ender2070 | http://consumerist.com/2010/02/california-town-to-start-charging-up-to-400-for-911-calls.html | Feb 21 04:37 |
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| DeadSuperHero | Hi everyone. | Feb 21 04:42 |
| DeadSuperHero | @schestowitz Are you there? | Feb 21 04:43 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] The #Wikimedia Foundation blocks a major ISP named #Steadfast because one former customer was an idiot, and almost refuses to fix it | Feb 21 05:12 | |
| DaemonFC | heh, Progressive is spamming me to try to get me to renew my policy with them | Feb 21 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | "We hope you'll check back with us soon. We're always developing new ways to provide additional savings and service..." | Feb 21 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | Then why was my bill a third more expensive with them? :) | Feb 21 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | anyones wants to talk Voodoo Economics, start with car insurance | Feb 21 05:14 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] "Smile, it's the second best thing you can do with your lips" #funny #quotes (via @bsherly) | Feb 21 05:37 | |
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| DaemonFC | oiaohm, I'm writing a long post about Ubuntu Lucid, Xorg-Edgers, and a lot of other stuff :) | Feb 21 05:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "Fish Tank" at Alliance Atlantis Cumberland, #Toronto. Catch it if you can. #cinema | Feb 21 06:24 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "in 1929 the world rainforests were still pretty much untouched, polar ice caps were intact, oceans unpolluted" - Darius Guppy, making sense | Feb 21 07:05 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @alykhansatchu Colourful Brit Darius Guppy http://bit.ly/9dXwis // I remember greatly enjoying one of his Dad's books as #Amazon explorer | Feb 21 07:07 | |
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| oiaohm | http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10456435-54.html Hmm this could get interesting long term. Google allowed to buy and sell power. | Feb 21 08:53 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: we allow GOogle to have a lot of power [pun] | Feb 21 09:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies Unethical But Enforced by #Law http://ur1.ca/mz9x http://boztopia.com/?p=1151 http://ur1.ca/mz9y | Feb 21 09:02 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Olympic Bullies Use #IntellectualMonopoles to Abuse Shop http://ur1.ca/mwx0 http://ur1.ca/mza2 http://ur1.ca/mza3 | Feb 21 09:04 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Real Purpose of #ACTA http://madhatter.ca/?p=283 | Feb 21 09:05 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Goblin awards!?! - The best Titantron vid! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU0nbNSvSEI&feature=related #wwe #sheamus | Feb 21 09:05 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #VentureCapitalist and Author Slam Nathan Myhrvold Troll http://ur1.ca/mzae http://ur1.ca/mzaf | Feb 21 09:07 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Goblin awards!?! - The best theme tune! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNpz2aebGBM #iwa #cactusjack #deathmatch | Feb 21 09:08 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Oh, if you haven't guessed, Im looking forward to the #WWE #PPV tonight! | Feb 21 09:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] and finally.... the best promo ever! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLxZcnj0HoU&feature=related #cactusjack #iwa #deathmatch | Feb 21 09:11 | |
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| kecskebak | YouTube has just broken for people using Gnash | Feb 21 09:18 |
| kecskebak | It was fine a few hours ago, now it says "Old Flash? Go upgrade!" with a link to Adobe's website | Feb 21 09:19 |
| kecskebak | I'm using 0.87, the new version | Feb 21 09:19 |
| kecskebak | DailyMotion works fine. Big Google fail. | Feb 21 09:20 |
| kecskebak | Embedded videos work on other sites, just their website seems to have been broken. | Feb 21 09:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] now a is puking as well! house of pestilence! HELP NEEDED: anyone to bring bogroll+kitchen towel+food? urgh urgh urgh. | Feb 21 09:27 | |
| Diablo-D3 | lol | Feb 21 09:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | kecskebak: probably an unintended oops | Feb 21 09:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | also flash sucks | Feb 21 09:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | I hope they do break it | Feb 21 09:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | makes more people go out and upgrade their browsers to get html5 video | Feb 21 09:28 |
| kecskebak | The trouble is, that I'm sure Flash works fine - it's just people using Gnash. | Feb 21 09:28 |
| kecskebak | It sends Gnash users to Adobe's site | Feb 21 09:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnash is pretty shitty with youtube though | Feb 21 09:29 |
| kecskebak | I know, but at least you can trust it | Feb 21 09:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, no..... | Feb 21 09:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | I trust flashblock | Feb 21 09:29 |
| kecskebak | I'm sure it's because YouTube want everyone to use the latest Flash plug in after a stream of security failures in Adobe's plug in recently | Feb 21 09:30 |
| kecskebak | Gnash has been taken out as collateral damage | Feb 21 09:30 |
| tessier_ | Every now and then my firefox gets stuck in a weird mode where a long page (like a comment page on reddit.com) just slowly scrolls down by itself. | Feb 21 09:31 |
| tessier_ | And nothing I do stops it. | Feb 21 09:31 |
| tessier_ | Usually it stops when it reaches the bottom (which can take a long time) but this time is just reversed direction and is going up! | Feb 21 09:31 |
| cubezzz | lynx fixes all these problems :) | Feb 21 09:31 |
| cubezzz | or killall firefox-bin | Feb 21 09:31 |
| kecskebak | When I used to work with Flash I remember the main thing the marketing department used to do was try and shave bytes off of the size of the Flash plug in. Everything had to be as small as possible - and people writing bits of the plug in got brownie points for coming in below their allocated size | Feb 21 09:31 |
| kecskebak | You'd read about these things on Flash blogs | Feb 21 09:32 |
| cubezzz | flash just sucks | Feb 21 09:32 |
| cubezzz | period | Feb 21 09:32 |
| kecskebak | I'll be a very happy person when HTML5 and SVG take over | Feb 21 09:33 |
| cubezzz | flash is really used to hide stuff | Feb 21 09:33 |
| tessier_ | killall firefox was a good idea | Feb 21 09:33 |
| cubezzz | just youtube-dl.py or whatever and get the flv file, play it in mplayer | Feb 21 09:33 |
| kecskebak | Flash was lovely when I was writing games and sites for CiTV - it did a great job of making sites which engaged kids | Feb 21 09:34 |
| kecskebak | But SVG would have been better | Feb 21 09:34 |
| kecskebak | As I hate the fact it was proprietary | Feb 21 09:34 |
| cubezzz | flash is like old broadcast tv | Feb 21 09:34 |
| cubezzz | without the vcr | Feb 21 09:34 |
| kecskebak | The other problem with Flash is Actionscript is so easy to use you get a lot of very bad code by people who don't know what they don't know. | Feb 21 09:35 |
| cubezzz | ask yourself why people put a flash frontend on their internet radio | Feb 21 09:36 |
| cubezzz | only one reason | Feb 21 09:36 |
| oiaohm | ? Because humans are to lazy to download other frontends ? cubezzz | Feb 21 09:37 |
| cubezzz | no | Feb 21 09:37 |
| cubezzz | because they don't want you capturing the stream | Feb 21 09:37 |
| kecskebak | And they can collect stuff about you in cookies that don't get cleared. | Feb 21 09:38 |
| kecskebak | "Shared Objects" | Feb 21 09:38 |
| oiaohm | Yet I know a lot of internet radio that contain both provided streams and flash. | Feb 21 09:38 |
| kecskebak | A lot of the impetus to use Flash comes from marketing departments | Feb 21 09:38 |
| cubezzz | those are fine oiaohm | Feb 21 09:38 |
| kecskebak | Trying to make things look "cool" | Feb 21 09:38 |
| kecskebak | That's why some people offer both | Feb 21 09:39 |
| cubezzz | sometimes you only get the flash version | Feb 21 09:39 |
| oiaohm | I have not seen only flash version. | Feb 21 09:39 |
| oiaohm | Maybe it where I travel. | Feb 21 09:39 |
| kecskebak | Isn't the iPlayer Flash only? I've never used it. | Feb 21 09:39 |
| cubezzz | example, australian open radio | Feb 21 09:39 |
| cubezzz | us open radio.... you get the idea | Feb 21 09:40 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Feb 21 09:40 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is removing Debian patches from the network manager left and right | Feb 21 09:40 |
| kecskebak | Why? | Feb 21 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know | Feb 21 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | probably conflicts with something in Ubuntu | Feb 21 09:41 |
| cubezzz | they can stream a sporting event, hide it behind flash, then charge you $$$ every time you view it | Feb 21 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | that's a feature! | Feb 21 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 21 09:42 |
| kecskebak | I have Gnash. But "To play The News Quiz: Series 70: Episode 7 please first install Flash." BBC iPlayer Fail. | Feb 21 09:42 |
| cubezzz | time limited DRM anyone? :) | Feb 21 09:42 |
| oiaohm | I know DaemonFC | Feb 21 09:43 |
| oiaohm | Us debian users are not using network manager as our default yet. | Feb 21 09:43 |
| kecskebak | Nation shall foist proprietary software untu Nation. | Feb 21 09:43 |
| oiaohm | To be correct debian network manager is setup to level old ifup and old ifdown system in place. DaemonFC | Feb 21 09:44 |
| oiaohm | At this stage. | Feb 21 09:44 |
| oiaohm | Result is when debian network manager is applied to Ubuntu you end up with no way to set network settings. DaemonFC | Feb 21 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmm | Feb 21 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | nothing about Xubuntu 10.04 on the site | Feb 21 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | but there are CD images | Feb 21 09:46 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] I find it interesting ,go to this google.com and type "recursion" It keeps asking "Did you mean: recursion" :-) | Feb 21 09:47 | |
| cubezzz | I think it's important to remember that things like gnash are useful but really a stop-gap measure | Feb 21 09:47 |
| oiaohm | The debian guys have not even decided how they are going to fully enable network manger yet in the testing tree. DaemonFC | Feb 21 09:47 |
| kecskebak | I am only using Gnash as a stop gap - I have asked YouTube for patent free video formats as requested by the FSF | Feb 21 09:48 |
| oiaohm | Basically sit back and let Ubuntu do all the experementation and take what works. DaemonFC | Feb 21 09:48 |
| cubezzz | then the flash guys at abode look at gnash and say "haha, new version 11 bitches" | Feb 21 09:48 |
| cubezzz | if they get gnash working too well | Feb 21 09:48 |
| oiaohm | http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2010/01/solving_different_problems.html << Want to know why flash suxs on Linux. | Feb 21 09:49 |
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| oiaohm | Yep 3d acceleration then you transfered rendered frame back to cpu to software render effects over the top. | Feb 21 09:50 |
| oiaohm | Linux stack is kinda design one directional. | Feb 21 09:50 |
| cubezzz | I don't say flash sucks under Linux, I just say Flash sucks | Feb 21 09:50 |
| cubezzz | just capture the video, and use mplayer | Feb 21 09:51 |
| kecskebak | Still, Gnash will play Flash Video just fine - it's just the YouTube website that is stopping it, which is really rather a shame. | Feb 21 09:52 |
| oiaohm | Gnash uses the sane method of processing. | Feb 21 09:52 |
| oiaohm | Over rendering by gpu. | Feb 21 09:52 |
| oiaohm | But general flash is pure nuts. | Feb 21 09:53 |
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| kecskebak | I need a flash plug in to report my gas meter | Feb 21 09:53 |
| cubezzz | for youtube may I suggest: | Feb 21 09:54 |
| kecskebak | Which is crazy - I have to report my gas meter reading to a Flash app | Feb 21 09:54 |
| cubezzz | wget http://maxhost.org/other/youtube-dl.py | Feb 21 09:54 |
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| kecskebak | Oh, thanks :) | Feb 21 09:54 |
| kecskebak | oiaohm: Any idea when WINE will get a DIBEngine? | Feb 21 09:56 |
| oiaohm | Umm. kecskebak | Feb 21 09:56 |
| kecskebak | LOL! | Feb 21 09:56 |
| oiaohm | There is segments of the DIB engine there. | Feb 21 09:56 |
| oiaohm | Note the word segments. | Feb 21 09:57 |
| kecskebak | Yes, I realise it'll be a long job. It's just my kids pester me as their favorite game won't work on WINE properly - it's a 2D game. | Feb 21 09:57 |
| kecskebak | I was just curious how it was going. | Feb 21 09:58 |
| cubezzz | beyond flash: | Feb 21 09:58 |
| cubezzz | "Thus, the common practice by video centric websites of hiding the URL of web embedded multimedia using Flash or Silverlight, obfuscating the URL with JavaScript, or using custom protocols like RTMP (Flash) or MMS (Windows Media streams), may seem threatening to the openness of the web" | Feb 21 09:58 |
| oiaohm | http://wiki.winehq.org/DIBEngine The evil bug 421 wine. kecskebak | Feb 21 09:58 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] and @nyecamden is coming to take some care of the sick people, yay! *bluhh* | Feb 21 09:59 | |
| oiaohm | Basically there is a dibengine patch kecskebak it needs a lot more testing and test casing. I guess kids are not interested in helping out. | Feb 21 10:00 |
| kecskebak | They are 8 and 6 :) | Feb 21 10:00 |
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| tessier_ | http://i.imgur.com/Cd82b.jpg <- bad day | Feb 21 10:01 |
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| kecskebak | Mind you, they are both good at maths, so one day... | Feb 21 10:01 |
| oiaohm | You could always try max's patch and see how it goes. Note Max code has not been done to the normal rules and standards of test casing. | Feb 21 10:03 |
| kecskebak | I'm writing a version of the kids' game using SDL in my spare time, but I may try the patch out of curiosity. | Feb 21 10:04 |
| oiaohm | Really if the test case side was completed merging mainline might be possiable. kecskebak | Feb 21 10:05 |
| oiaohm | Basically that is why its Umm. | Feb 21 10:05 |
| kecskebak | oiaohm: Thanks for answering - I was curious to know what the situation was, and if I try the patch I'll let you know how I get on. | Feb 21 10:08 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, I see they're still terrible at making regular making regular xf86-video-ati releases | Feb 21 10:08 |
| DaemonFC | 5 months since the last one | Feb 21 10:09 |
| kecskebak | Using youtube-dl.py - works a treat B-) | Feb 21 10:16 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] jaron lanier says: "hey you! stop having fun!" http://bit.ly/d8KJbP "you're a bunch of COMMUNISTS! Or something!" | Feb 21 10:24 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | I should watch #GlennBeck more often | Feb 21 10:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | and join the republican party | Feb 21 10:25 |
| schestowitz | He's an arse (Jaron) | Feb 21 10:33 |
| cubezzz | the web for 30 years? | Feb 21 10:39 |
| cubezzz | it's 20 years old | Feb 21 10:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | depends when you start counting | Feb 21 10:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | arpanet puts a few years on it | Feb 21 10:39 |
| cubezzz | from the start of the "web" | Feb 21 10:39 |
| cubezzz | www? | Feb 21 10:39 |
| cubezzz | that's 1990 | Feb 21 10:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, but there is no web | Feb 21 10:40 |
| cubezzz | world wide web? | Feb 21 10:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, its just a buzz word | Feb 21 10:40 |
| cubezzz | ah | Feb 21 10:40 |
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| Diablo-D3 | ACCORDING TO THE GRAND AND GREAT WIKIPEDIAS | Feb 21 10:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | arpanet opened 1969 | Feb 21 10:41 |
| cubezzz | so what started 30 years ago? | Feb 21 10:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | hmm | Feb 21 10:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | might be the internet proper | Feb 21 10:41 |
| schestowitz | [10:39] <Diablo-D3> arpanet puts a few years on it | Feb 21 10:42 |
| schestowitz | Not WWW | Feb 21 10:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | in 1983 IP was the only protocol on arpanet | Feb 21 10:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | 1974 was the first use of the word internet | Feb 21 10:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: so, meh, someone says 30 years, I'll let it slide | Feb 21 10:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: pay attention | Feb 21 10:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | www is a buzzword | Feb 21 10:43 |
| DaemonFC | 1984 - World hears of Mac, keeps using DOS | Feb 21 10:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | its just a half assed application of then pre-exsiting technologies | Feb 21 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | 1995, almost everyone has Windows 95 | Feb 21 10:44 |
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| cubezzz | Diablo-D3, the first web browser? | Feb 21 10:44 |
| cubezzz | that's not just a buzz word | Feb 21 10:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | the first web browser is just the first to implement other people's ideas. | Feb 21 10:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | it wasnt the first use of the internet | Feb 21 10:44 |
| cubezzz | no, that's why I'm drawing the distinction between www and the internet | Feb 21 10:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | usenet predates web | Feb 21 10:45 |
| cubezzz | of course | Feb 21 10:45 |
| cubezzz | I was using it :) | Feb 21 10:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | email predates web | Feb 21 10:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | hell | Feb 21 10:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | IRC predates the web | Feb 21 10:45 |
| cubezzz | it's silly to "30 years using the web" | Feb 21 10:46 |
| cubezzz | to say | Feb 21 10:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | well | Feb 21 10:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | you could just use the RFC dates | Feb 21 10:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | which means its less than 20 | Feb 21 10:46 |
| cubezzz | even 20 years is stretching it | Feb 21 10:46 |
| cubezzz | yes | Feb 21 10:46 |
| *tessier_ has been online since 1989 | Feb 21 10:47 | |
| *Diablo-D3 has been online since 65 million years ago | Feb 21 10:47 | |
| cubezzz | "Berners-Lee's breakthrough was to marry hypertext to the Internet" | Feb 21 10:48 |
| cubezzz | that's kind of significant | Feb 21 10:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, it sounds significant | Feb 21 10:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | but say, "Joe Schmoe's breakthrough blah blah" | Feb 21 10:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | it woudlnt be nearly as significant sounding | Feb 21 10:48 |
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| cubezzz | I don't think there was even DNS before 1983 | Feb 21 10:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | nope | Feb 21 10:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | rfc'ed in 83 | Feb 21 10:52 |
| cubezzz | the oldest email I had archived: | Feb 21 10:52 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Atlas V rocket sonic booms through sundog and makes ripples http://ur1.ca/mzh9 !science | Feb 21 10:52 | |
| cubezzz | Date: 12 JUL 1980 1342-EDT | Feb 21 10:52 |
| cubezzz | From: ALAN at MIT-MC (Alan Bawden) | Feb 21 10:52 |
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| cubezzz | note the from | Feb 21 10:52 |
| cubezzz | so 30 years on the web is definitely wrong | Feb 21 10:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | who said 30 anyhow? | Feb 21 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | well, now Ubuntu is in trouble | Feb 21 10:55 |
| cubezzz | http://bit.ly/d8KJbP | Feb 21 10:55 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: My bright idea: Jaron Lanier |Technology |The Observer .::. Size~: 98.55 KB | Feb 21 10:55 |
| cubezzz | here the top | Feb 21 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22077#post113307 | Feb 21 10:55 |
| cubezzz | near the top :) | Feb 21 10:55 |
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| Diablo-D3 | so just make a site | Feb 21 10:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | www.jaronlanierkilledagirlin1992.com | Feb 21 10:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | or whatever | Feb 21 10:55 |
| cubezzz | hahaha | Feb 21 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | they're going to backport the whole 2.6.33 DRM | Feb 21 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | because they want to avoid moving to 2.6.33? | Feb 21 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | this has to be the dumbest thing I've seen them do to date | Feb 21 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | Wasn't the whole point of staying on 2.6.32 that they would get easier maintenance because kernel.org was going to be backporting patches? | Feb 21 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | that's like crawling naked over broken glass so you don't have to walk somewhere | Feb 21 10:58 |
| oiaohm | Yep that is the insanity of Ubuntu. | Feb 21 10:58 |
| oiaohm | Long term releases of the kernel should be left alone. | Feb 21 10:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: Criminalise Exotic Pets, not File Sharing - http://bit.ly/d6E2cj exposing the Great Lie of governments #filesharing #acta | Feb 21 10:59 | |
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| oiaohm | They have been doing this to many packages DaemonFC | Feb 21 10:59 |
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| DaemonFC | they want the long term kernel, but they also don't want to have to say that things that work in Fedora don't work on Ubuntu | Feb 21 10:59 |
| oiaohm | Gets funniers | Feb 21 11:00 |
| oiaohm | DRM for Nvidia is not stable. 2.6.33 DRM is not complete. | Feb 21 11:00 |
| cubezzz | I blame the journalist, journalist always gets things wrong | Feb 21 11:00 |
| oiaohm | And most likely will only be complete by 2.6.34 or 2.6.35 | Feb 21 11:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | thank god no one serious about linux uses ubuntu | Feb 21 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu totally fucks you if you use your own kernel | Feb 21 11:03 |
| DaemonFC | cause they heavily patch theirs to use ureadahead, AppArmor, few other things | Feb 21 11:03 |
| DaemonFC | so you get to watch a ton of error messages and have no AppArmor with your kernel | Feb 21 11:03 |
| oiaohm | Swap over to selinux mode first. | Feb 21 11:04 |
| cubezzz | ugh | Feb 21 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | tried that at one point | Feb 21 11:04 |
| oiaohm | Yep Ubuntu selinux mode is kinda broken., | Feb 21 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | I tried setting it to enforce and it told me that SELinux was not enabled | Feb 21 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu's documentation of it is incomplete | Feb 21 11:05 |
| cubezzz | the term bloatware is coming to mind | Feb 21 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know why Ubuntu insists on a security framework that's outside the kernel, never going to be merged, and has been abandoned since Novell fired everybody in 2008 | Feb 21 11:06 |
| oiaohm | They currently have coders working on it DaemonFC | Feb 21 11:06 |
| oiaohm | Yet every patch so far has been pulled appart by long term kernel developers. | Feb 21 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | so how did AppArmor get chosen over SELinux? | Feb 21 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | SELinux is already built into the kernel | Feb 21 11:07 |
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| oiaohm | Because Apparmor was so called simpler to use. DaemonFC | Feb 21 11:10 |
| oiaohm | Lets say some Novell lovers left their early foot prints in ubuntu | Feb 21 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | still not worth maintaining out of tree stuff that you have no control over | Feb 21 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | just snag the SELinux Targeted policy and ship that | Feb 21 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | problem solved | Feb 21 11:11 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] If you are a smart cookie check out http://projecteuler.net/index.php?section=problems Interesting math problems :-) (via @salva_eswar) | Feb 21 11:12 | |
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| DaemonFC | the Targeted policy takes care of tying down all the parts of the system most open for abuse | Feb 21 11:13 |
| DaemonFC | the rest is unconfined | Feb 21 11:13 |
| DaemonFC | shouldn't pose a problem for usability | Feb 21 11:13 |
| DaemonFC | earlier Fedora (1 and 2) shipped it with the Strict policy as it's called now | Feb 21 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | and that made them unusable unless you unlabeled the file system yourself to disable it | Feb 21 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | or booted with selinux=0 on the installer disc | Feb 21 11:15 |
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| DaemonFC | that's kind of a reputation that SELinux never got away from even though the Targeted policy almost never gets in the way | Feb 21 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | AppArmor can be defeated with a hardlink | Feb 21 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | so who cares how easy it is to write a profile for? | Feb 21 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, The Strict profile means you have to put it in complain mode and then go about doing everything you would for a while | Feb 21 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | and using the complaint log to adjust policies | Feb 21 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | before putting SELinux back to enforce | Feb 21 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | otherwise SELinux manages to kill just about everything you load in some horrible way | Feb 21 11:18 |
| tessier_ | SE Linux is awesome once you know how to work with it. | Feb 21 11:20 |
| tessier_ | It runs on all of my servers. Including boycottnovell.com | Feb 21 11:20 |
| tessier_ | httpd won't be accidentally spawning any shells or reading /etc/passwd on my machines. | Feb 21 11:20 |
| DaemonFC | things that are difficult to configure often wind up being misconfigured | Feb 21 11:20 |
| oiaohm | There are a lot of battles in vfs layer to fix up the weaknesses with path based. | Feb 21 11:23 |
| oiaohm | There are weaknesses with extended attribute system selinux uses as well it cannot cover all filesystems perfectly. | Feb 21 11:24 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, it really hates ReiserFS too | Feb 21 11:25 |
| DaemonFC | and JFS | Feb 21 11:25 |
| DaemonFC | you can't use them at all | Feb 21 11:26 |
| DaemonFC | that's why Fedora has never supported them | Feb 21 11:26 |
| DaemonFC | I may move over to Fedora once they have proper installation media for Alpha 1 | Feb 21 11:28 |
| DaemonFC | They have some kind of an Alpha 1 test disc which I feel is a bit risky | Feb 21 11:29 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose I could just use my Fedora 12 CD and point it towards Rawhide :) | Feb 21 11:29 |
| DaemonFC | err, DVD | Feb 21 11:29 |
| DaemonFC | http://serverbeach1.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/13-Alpha.TC2/Fedora/x86_64/iso/ | Feb 21 11:31 |
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| DaemonFC | yeah, I may just go with Fedora Rawhide for now | Feb 21 11:40 |
| DaemonFC | shouldn't be that hard, I don't need any proprietary drivers | Feb 21 11:41 |
| DaemonFC | I managed to stay on Rawhide forever even when I did | Feb 21 11:41 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Is Fedora using gstreamer or xine in their KDE spin? | Feb 21 11:46 |
| oiaohm | Have not looked. DaemonFC | Feb 21 11:50 |
| oiaohm | Most likely still choosable. | Feb 21 11:50 |
| DaemonFC | I've had back luck whenever I try to put gstreamer and Pulseaudio in KDE | Feb 21 11:51 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/OpenPeak-OpenTablet-7/ Nice table | Feb 21 12:00 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 is Still Trying to Catch up With #GNU #Linux http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/21/vista-7-too-heavy/ | Feb 21 12:24 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] :O Really? RD: @snarf: #Paypal stole $US5k from X.Org. Boycott Paypal! http://is.gd/8R8td | Feb 21 12:27 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ‘Discontinues’ (Kills) #SCCP Product, Cancels Yet Another http://ur1.ca/mzs0 #alanwake #game #server #closure | Feb 21 12:45 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Resumed reading "3 mistakes of my life". Hope i complete it soon. Need to buy new books with next month's salary :D | Feb 21 13:02 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Contracts Telemarketers , Accused of “Phone SPAM” http://ur1.ca/mzxj #telemarketing #abuse #astroturf | Feb 21 13:03 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Yesterday I saw a N900. It's so impressive it makes me a bit jealous. Too bad it's so proprietary. Good thing is: I don't waste money on it. | Feb 21 13:03 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] LOL :D "How come nobody on farmville grows weed?" (via @bsherly) | Feb 21 13:07 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #AstroTurfing from #Microsoft #Philippines , Increased Pressure on Businesses http://ur1.ca/n01y #shillforbill | Feb 21 13:43 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Aggressive self-righteous stupidity may be fixable with nanobots. | Feb 21 13:47 | |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm | Feb 21 13:51 |
| DaemonFC | OK, I officially quit GNOME | Feb 21 13:54 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 21 13:54 |
| Eruaran | hello | Feb 21 13:56 |
| DaemonFC | KDE managed to snag Aero Snap | Feb 21 13:57 |
| DaemonFC | I accidentally used it and laughed for a second | Feb 21 13:57 |
| Eruaran | :) | Feb 21 13:59 |
| Eruaran | Well, if Microsoft's desktop design team is allowed to spend months browsing kde-look.org for 'inspiration' then surely its fine if KDE also borrows a bit as well | Feb 21 14:00 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Feb 21 14:00 |
| DaemonFC | what's odd is that Fedora only has Firefox 3.5.8 | Feb 21 14:00 |
| DaemonFC | they don't have 3.6 | Feb 21 14:01 |
| DaemonFC | I say that's odd because Fedora updates everything else pretty aggressively | Feb 21 14:02 |
| Eruaran | In their main repo? | Feb 21 14:03 |
| DaemonFC | I have main updates and testing on | Feb 21 14:03 |
| Eruaran | I havent used Fedora for a long time | Feb 21 14:03 |
| DaemonFC | time to look again | Feb 21 14:04 |
| DaemonFC | the KDE LiveCD was rather unimpressive at first | Feb 21 14:04 |
| DaemonFC | until I installed all the updates | Feb 21 14:04 |
| cubezzz | everyone copies everyone | Feb 21 14:05 |
| Eruaran | I should dl and have a look | Feb 21 14:05 |
| DaemonFC | I had to mess about a little to get the audio system working how I want | Feb 21 14:05 |
| Eruaran | my ISP has it on their servers so I can dl it unmetered | Feb 21 14:06 |
| DaemonFC | but nothing more than I have to do in GNOME | Feb 21 14:06 |
| DaemonFC | Eruaran: My ISP gives me 250 GB a month, so I don't have to keep track :D | Feb 21 14:06 |
| Eruaran | pulseaudio? | Feb 21 14:06 |
| DaemonFC | Eruaran: Yeah | Feb 21 14:06 |
| DaemonFC | apparently the 250 GB a month cap is designed to eliminate people with no life who torrent shit all the time | Feb 21 14:07 |
| DaemonFC | so I wonder who is out there torrenting more than me B-) | Feb 21 14:07 |
| Eruaran | I don't really need a bigger dl limit since most of my large downloads are stuff from my ISP's servers anyway | Feb 21 14:07 |
| Eruaran | oh there are | Feb 21 14:07 |
| amarsh04 | I get 20 GiB downloads, unmetered uploads plus unmetered Debian, Sourceforge and other mirrors, plus Australian Broadcasting Corporation content | Feb 21 14:08 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast would never host a Linux distribution | Feb 21 14:08 |
| DaemonFC | their support reps don't even know what it is | Feb 21 14:08 |
| amarsh04 | same isp as Eruaran | Feb 21 14:08 |
| Eruaran | I found myself talking to a guy one night who was indignant that he'd been capped after using 500GB or something like that | Feb 21 14:08 |
| DaemonFC | jesus | Feb 21 14:08 |
| Eruaran | Internode host lots of distros | Feb 21 14:08 |
| Eruaran | I use their Ubuntu mirror | Feb 21 14:09 |
| Eruaran | anything related to Linux is unmetered | Feb 21 14:09 |
| amarsh04 | Internode's founder is also a VAX expert | Feb 21 14:09 |
| Eruaran | VAX eh | Feb 21 14:10 |
| cubezzz | lol | Feb 21 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | Eruaran: The Comcast guy came out one day and asked me if KDE was Windows 7 | Feb 21 14:10 |
| cubezzz | half a tetrabyte | Feb 21 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | so I rebooted and started up Windows 7 Ultimate :P | Feb 21 14:10 |
| Eruaran | DaemonFC: heh I've had that as well | Feb 21 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | he asked me if it was the beta cause it was 3 months before 7 was out | Feb 21 14:10 |
| cubezzz | I only talk directly to real techs | Feb 21 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | and it wasn't | Feb 21 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | I had the RTM | Feb 21 14:10 |
| cubezzz | I know their names :) | Feb 21 14:10 |
| Eruaran | I have KDE SC 4.4 on demo on the shop floor | Feb 21 14:10 |
| Eruaran | Some people thought it was Windows 7 | Feb 21 14:11 |
| cubezzz | duh! | Feb 21 14:11 |
| Eruaran | I use it cause its great for a demo system | Feb 21 14:11 |
| DaemonFC | Well, Fedora has updated the kernel, MESA, and X.org since I tried F12 out at launch and it sucked then | Feb 21 14:11 |
| DaemonFC | but it runs a lot better now | Feb 21 14:12 |
| DaemonFC | smooth compositing and all that | Feb 21 14:12 |
| cubezzz | next time tell them you use Embedix or tinycore :) | Feb 21 14:12 |
| DaemonFC | it's like a rolling release within each version really | Feb 21 14:12 |
| Eruaran | Heres the funny part though | Feb 21 14:12 |
| Eruaran | The demo system is just a new box with old parts in it | Feb 21 14:13 |
| cubezzz | some banks have real techs | Feb 21 14:13 |
| Eruaran | Its an old P4 with a 6600 graphics card. | Feb 21 14:13 |
| cubezzz | whoa, why so new? | Feb 21 14:13 |
| Eruaran | People play with it and comment on how smooth new computers are these days | Feb 21 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | You'd never see Ubuntu ship with Linux 2.6.31, KDE 4.3, and Mesa 7.6 and then have that same release be on Linux 2.6.33, KDE 4.4.x, and Mesa 7.8 within three months | Feb 21 14:13 |
| cubezzz | ;-) | Feb 21 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora does that though :) | Feb 21 14:13 |
| Eruaran | Its just a display thing, meant to show you what the box looks like and play some media thats all | Feb 21 14:14 |
| Eruaran | If anyone ever breaks in and steals it, they will be very disappointed ;) | Feb 21 14:14 |
| cubezzz | if you were running Amiga I would be impressed | Feb 21 14:14 |
| Eruaran | heh | Feb 21 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | Eruaran: So you're letting them entertain you with 5-6 year old hardware? | Feb 21 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | that's nice :) | Feb 21 14:14 |
| cubezzz | intel gives you little street cred | Feb 21 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | Intel is dogshit | Feb 21 14:15 |
| cubezzz | and P4 was a major power pig | Feb 21 14:15 |
| DaemonFC | I won't be buying from them again | Feb 21 14:15 |
| Eruaran | Well I cant afford a POWER7 atm | Feb 21 14:15 |
| DaemonFC | They didn't mention anywhere that the Core 2 is crippled in X86-64 Long Mode | Feb 21 14:15 |
| DaemonFC | but it is | Feb 21 14:15 |
| cubezzz | it is hard to avoid intel though | Feb 21 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | easy to avoid | Feb 21 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | certainly easier to avoid than MS | Feb 21 14:17 |
| cubezzz | which cpu are you using right now? :) | Feb 21 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | AMD Phenom II X4 945 | Feb 21 14:17 |
| Eruaran | I've always liked AMD | Feb 21 14:18 |
| cubezzz | they had a few lemons too | Feb 21 14:18 |
| Eruaran | Used their stuff since the early 90's | Feb 21 14:18 |
| Eruaran | oh I had this Microsoft booster going nuts at me the other day | Feb 21 14:20 |
| cubezzz | uh huh | Feb 21 14:20 |
| cubezzz | but aren't they always nuts? | Feb 21 14:20 |
| Eruaran | personal attacks was all he could manage | Feb 21 14:20 |
| cubezzz | at work? | Feb 21 14:20 |
| amarsh04 | cat /proc/cpuinfo on my new machine reports: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+ | Feb 21 14:20 |
| Eruaran | no | Feb 21 14:20 |
| Eruaran | online | Feb 21 14:20 |
| Eruaran | basically he was saying "the Linux desktop" sucks | Feb 21 14:21 |
| amarsh04 | and on this pc: Pentium II (Klamath) | Feb 21 14:21 |
| Eruaran | And his conversation always arced back to the golden virtues of Visual Studio and C# | Feb 21 14:21 |
| cubezzz | ask him if he can compile his kernel | Feb 21 14:22 |
| cubezzz | that usually shuts them up | Feb 21 14:22 |
| Eruaran | All it took to spark him off was my initial response to his criticism | Feb 21 14:22 |
| cubezzz | or change his WM | Feb 21 14:22 |
| Eruaran | Which was basically, "you mean my KDE SC 4.4 desktop is sub-par? How is that exactly?" | Feb 21 14:22 |
| cubezzz | heh | Feb 21 14:22 |
| cubezzz | ooooo, very provocative | Feb 21 14:23 |
| Eruaran | He studiously avoided talking about KDE at all | Feb 21 14:23 |
| cubezzz | so he knows nothing about it | Feb 21 14:23 |
| Eruaran | His 'citique' revolved around "X Windows" | Feb 21 14:23 |
| cubezzz | or ask him if he enjoys giving his money to rich billionaires :) | Feb 21 14:24 |
| cubezzz | that's always good | Feb 21 14:24 |
| Eruaran | heh | Feb 21 14:24 |
| cubezzz | and to be pendantic, it's really X Window System | Feb 21 14:26 |
| cubezzz | not "X Windows" | Feb 21 14:26 |
| Eruaran | I really got up his nose when I said, "you mean xorg?" | Feb 21 14:26 |
| cubezzz | and it predates doze | Feb 21 14:26 |
| cubezzz | well... | Feb 21 14:27 |
| cubezzz | there are other systems | Feb 21 14:27 |
| Eruaran | In fact any disagreement with him at all meant being labelled by him as an anti-corporate hippie who could never get a real job | Feb 21 14:27 |
| cubezzz | GGI, Qtopia... | Feb 21 14:27 |
| cubezzz | he's just a goof | Feb 21 14:27 |
| Eruaran | it was fun | Feb 21 14:28 |
| Eruaran | The more I stayed calm and corrected responses the more crazy he got | Feb 21 14:28 |
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| cubezzz | doze sucks | Feb 21 14:29 |
| cubezzz | you can't really argue | Feb 21 14:29 |
| cubezzz | and beyond that Microsoft is directly responsible for a ton of crap | Feb 21 14:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Office Watch: #Microsoft Smears #Google Apps in Videos, Biased Articles, #ODF -hostile Dialogues http://ur1.ca/n05i | Feb 21 14:30 | |
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| cubezzz | Microsoft tried to "de-commoditize protocols" by pressuring OEM's to build devices and not give out any programming information for them | Feb 21 14:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Sunny Sunday morning. | Feb 21 14:31 | |
| cubezzz | there are many very valid reasons to not use Microsoft products | Feb 21 14:31 |
| cubezzz | and programming for X is a lot more logical than programming for doze | Feb 21 14:31 |
| cubezzz | they tried very hard to subvert the internet itself | Feb 21 14:32 |
| Eruaran | Oh, this guy was in love with DirectX as well | Feb 21 14:32 |
| Eruaran | I wonder if his real name was Miguel... | Feb 21 14:32 |
| cubezzz | :-/ | Feb 21 14:32 |
| cubezzz | not in here I trust? | Feb 21 14:32 |
| Eruaran | no | Feb 21 14:32 |
| Eruaran | I would have logged it, but it was popcorn entertainment more than anything | Feb 21 14:33 |
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| cubezzz | the older zaurus pda's ran Linux without X | Feb 21 14:34 |
| cubezzz | I'm sure if you wanted to avoid X on Linux you could | Feb 21 14:34 |
| cubezzz | very old Linux wasn't too good, but it got better and better | Feb 21 14:35 |
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| Diablo-D3 | well | Feb 21 14:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres actually a legitimate choice now | Feb 21 14:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | wayland | Feb 21 14:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | and wayland is getting rid of eagle to use mesaland | Feb 21 14:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | so the last really bad issue is pretty much gone | Feb 21 14:37 |
| oiaohm | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODAwNA AMD now has a seat on X.org | Feb 21 14:37 |
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| Diablo-D3 | as they should | Feb 21 14:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | in fact, they should probably have more than one | Feb 21 14:38 |
| oiaohm | http://www.khronos.org/egl/ wayland going egl instead of eagle does add some more interesting questions where it could be used. | Feb 21 14:40 |
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| oiaohm | Wayland on Symbian could be interesting. | Feb 21 14:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: no, eagle IS egl | Feb 21 14:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a egl specific framework that originated with/on android | Feb 21 14:41 |
| oiaohm | eagle had extentions to EGL that were not cross implemenation of EGL | Feb 21 14:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The Conservapedia Bible Project has finished its translation of Revelation. http://is.gd/8RDat WHAT | Feb 21 14:43 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: no different than how mesa has mesa specific extensions to opengl | Feb 21 14:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | from the hardware's stand point, no one cares | Feb 21 14:44 |
| oiaohm | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzkyMQ << You Missed this. Diablo-D3 | Feb 21 14:44 |
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| Diablo-D3 | I didnt miss anything | Feb 21 14:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're nuking eagle support | Feb 21 14:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats one of several stories about it | Feb 21 14:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | problem is phoronix sucks at reporting the news | Feb 21 14:44 |
| oiaohm | Really the difference from Mesa extensions and eagles is there already existed other ways todo what eagle was doing so no chance of other EGL implementations picking up how eagle was doing it. | Feb 21 14:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft uses its Web browser to promote its own Web services while pretending http://ur1.ca/n07o | Feb 21 15:01 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: well no | Feb 21 15:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | other "ways" but not quite useful in the context of using eagle or wayland | Feb 21 15:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | a lot of eagle shit was better served elsewhere | Feb 21 15:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | such as kms | Feb 21 15:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] News coverage about #Microsoft litigation and compensation for illegal business practices which continue to this date http://ur1.ca/n094 | Feb 21 15:14 | |
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| oiaohm | http://news.techworld.com/operating-systems/3213172/alex-laptop-to-bring-linux-to-the-masses/?olo=rss | Feb 21 15:19 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah, well... they come and go | Feb 21 15:38 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] I weakned and bought Bioshock 2. When is steam linux going to happen? | Feb 21 15:51 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Just in Time: #SCO Finds More Cash Injection Proposals… from Former SCO Chairman http://ur1.ca/n0ce | Feb 21 15:57 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Scotland investigating #MI5 complicity in #torture of 5 Britons http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article7034942.ece #uk #iraq | Feb 21 16:09 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] A-G Scotland investigating #MI5 complicity in #torture of 5 Britons http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article7034942.ece #uk #iraq | Feb 21 16:10 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] former Uzbek Ambassador explains how Britain enables #torture http://bit.ly/cz0Pa7 "it brings piles of rubbish" via @mparent77772 #cia #iraq | Feb 21 16:23 | |
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| schestowitz | HEy, ryan | Feb 21 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | morning | Feb 21 16:42 |
| *DaemonFC is trying to figure out what the deal is with World Of Goo not starting | Feb 21 16:43 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "I must not check in a new memory manager two hours before going on an overseas vacation." http://www.dadhacker.com/blog/?p=1193 | Feb 21 16:45 | |
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| DaemonFC | I think I might go to pizza hut again and make one of those 3 pound salads | Feb 21 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | those are quite the challenge | Feb 21 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | have to carefully build it in layers to make sure it is structurally sound | Feb 21 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | then at the end, you grab a handful of captains wafers and fill the top of the box, and slam it shut | Feb 21 17:04 |
| schestowitz | tessier: server load is always very high so pages are served slowly | Feb 21 17:04 |
| schestowitz | Is this normal | Feb 21 17:04 |
| schestowitz | gtg, bbl | Feb 21 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | get out of there with $8 worth of salad in a $6 salad box :) | Feb 21 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Depends on what the server is doing | Feb 21 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | could even be disk thrashing | Feb 21 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | (ext3 = haha!) | Feb 21 17:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Lawyer: Microsoft “Covers up Alleged Misconduct, Mischaracterizes Evidence” http://ur1.ca/n0hx Wow. | Feb 21 17:06 | |
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| DaemonFC | they like to tell you that Linux filesystems don't fragment, what they should say is that some fragment less than others and only XFS has the repair tool :) | Feb 21 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | you have that thing deleting and creating files all day every day for a few years, and it's fragmented enough to cause thrashing | Feb 21 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | guarantee it | Feb 21 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | bbiab | Feb 21 17:08 |
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| ender2070 | lol | Feb 21 17:21 |
| ender2070 | they're designed not to fragment | Feb 21 17:21 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] !Listening to Ac-Dc - Rock N' Roll Train | Feb 21 17:32 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@johnderosa all credit for that to http://dadhacker.com/blog #humour | Feb 21 17:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] “govt is not trying to destroy #Microsoft..simply seeking to compel MS to obey law..it's revealing Gates equates the two” http://ur1.ca/n0hx | Feb 21 17:41 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @mparent77772 Impeachment and indictment on the agenda for Yoo, Bybee http://bit.ly/c8swhv #torture #war #crime | Feb 21 17:43 | |
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| ender2070 | schestowitz - u there? | Feb 21 17:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @schestowitz Intellectual Ventures & Myhrvold #fraud worse than #patents Troll http://ur1.ca/mzae http://ur1.ca/mzaf <- read 1st comment | Feb 21 17:48 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@bletchleypark & each #Enigma had two spare plugboard wires, so why stop at 10, not 11. // why not just make 10 louder? | Feb 21 17:55 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Yay, found the correct set of fixes to ecore.spec.in for getting #enlightenment on #fedora 12 | Feb 21 18:05 | |
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| Omar87 | This Psychopath is a real psychopath! | Feb 21 18:15 |
| Omar87 | Greetings all! | Feb 21 18:15 |
| *DaemonFC hugs Omar87 | Feb 21 18:18 | |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 21 18:18 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, :) | Feb 21 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | For anyone wanting to get in on the Fedora 13 action, you better not use Rawhide | Feb 21 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | or you're on the road to Fedora 14 | Feb 21 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 21 18:18 |
| *DaemonFC ended up yanking a Fedora 13 release RPM from a mirror and slapping it onto his Fedora 12 system | Feb 21 18:19 | |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 21 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | refresh the repositories and upgrade | Feb 21 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | They really need to fix all that lingering documentation that says use Rawhide to land on the next release | Feb 21 18:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'I think "irrational fear of #RMS" should be a recognized phobia.' Erik Naggum #gpl #gnu #fsf http://bit.ly/brxzmi | Feb 21 18:21 | |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz, ping | Feb 21 18:25 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] make distclean ; ./autogen.sh && make dist-gzip && mv *.tar.* /tmp/ && sudo su - makerpm -c -- "rpmbuild -tb /tmp/esmart*tar.gz" still here. | Feb 21 18:49 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Got to get the links sorted out on Openbytes. Been promising myself that I would do it for a while... | Feb 21 18:58 | |
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| _Goblin | silent night.... | Feb 21 19:15 |
| _Goblin | not even daemonFC is about... | Feb 21 19:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Microsoft – “Trustworthy” Computing?!? http://tinyurl.com/yg3a3f5 #windows #vista #xp #windows7 #microsoft #apple #linux #foss | Feb 21 19:26 | |
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| ender2070 | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Four_foundations | Feb 21 19:37 |
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| sebsebseb | Feb 21 19:49 | |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: here's a link for you I think, as well as anyone else interested in GNOME http://www.advogato.org/person/mbanck/diary/48.html | Feb 21 20:05 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Great article by Joe Wilcox - "Microsoft Confessions: 'There were a ton of bozos'" http://tinyurl.com/yc5hdeb #microsoft #windows #xp #vista | Feb 21 20:10 | |
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| _Goblin | sebsebseb: thanks! I'll take a look! | Feb 21 20:10 |
| *schestowitz lisrens to http://www.twit.tv/floss109 | Feb 21 20:14 | |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: hey | Feb 21 20:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Dear lazyweb, I need a couple of pictures from Andalucia and Extremadura's GNU/Linux schools. | Feb 21 20:18 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @jmcesteves: RT @BoingBoing #ACTA "internet enforcement" chapter leaks http://bit.ly/bpuq7p | Feb 21 20:19 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Certainly in Ubuntu 9.10 for me, K3b is a far superior package to Brasero. If Brasero is being funny unmounting/mounting try k3b. #ubuntu | Feb 21 20:19 | |
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| schestowitz | > .. users residing in countries on the United States Office of Foreign | Feb 21 20:20 |
| schestowitz | > Assets Control (OFAC) sanction list, including Cuba, Iran, North | Feb 21 20:20 |
| schestowitz | > Korea, Sudan, and Syria, may not post content to, or access content | Feb 21 20:20 |
| schestowitz | > available through, SourceForge.net .. | Feb 21 20:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 21 20:20 |
| schestowitz | > http://sourceforge.net/blog/clarifying-sourceforgenets-denial-of-site-access-for-certain-persons-in-accordance-with-us-law/ | Feb 21 20:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 21 20:20 |
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| schestowitz | > I wonder what other companies are not blocked, this is a retorical | Feb 21 20:20 |
| schestowitz | > question Roy, what I mean is for you to go and investigate. Write the | Feb 21 20:20 |
| schestowitz | > the top software companies (and the US state department) and ask them, | Feb 21 20:20 |
| schestowitz | > then post the results. | Feb 21 20:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] BTW I loved Elive. I will be featuring shortly and it will be appearing on a few of my rigs shortly. #linux #foss #elive | Feb 21 20:21 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 thanks, I saw that | Feb 21 20:21 | |
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| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: olá | Feb 21 20:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: boa tarde | Feb 21 20:23 |
| jweyrich | ping rnb | Feb 21 20:24 |
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| DaemonFC | Greeting from Fedora 13 | Feb 21 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | what will be anywaw | Feb 21 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | *anyway | Feb 21 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | where my GPU is almost fully operational :) | Feb 21 20:26 |
| jweyrich | in portuguese, fedor means bad smell. I always associade fedora with that lol. | Feb 21 20:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yeah i was rt'ing your link with an edited blurb | Feb 21 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | *facepalm* | Feb 21 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | It's a HAT!!! | Feb 21 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 21 20:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I think everyone including jweyrich knows that. | Feb 21 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | I know | Feb 21 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | making sure we were all on the same page | Feb 21 20:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | unfortunate association in Pt, tho. :) | Feb 21 20:28 |
| jweyrich | haha | Feb 21 20:28 |
| jweyrich | I don't like redhat anyway :) | Feb 21 20:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | they're a bad smell! | Feb 21 20:28 |
| *FurnaceBoy ducks | Feb 21 20:28 | |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: hey | Feb 21 20:30 |
| schestowitz | I'm very much behind | Feb 21 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | I still don't know why Fedora is calling 3d acceleration on my card experimental | Feb 21 20:31 |
| schestowitz | I have about 20 posts but they need work | Feb 21 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | ATI's own driver is worse than this | Feb 21 20:31 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: how do you call the days when you have willing to do nothing. unwilling day? | Feb 21 20:31 |
| schestowitz | It includes both those IV links you gave | Feb 21 20:31 |
| schestowitz | I saw them 1.5 days ago | Feb 21 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Myhrvold is not a programmer | Feb 21 20:31 |
| bruce89 | sebsebseb: hello | Feb 21 20:32 |
| schestowitz | It's just some arrogant cosmologist | Feb 21 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, The Fedora LiveCD doesn't just cut out Mono | Feb 21 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | it gets rid of GIMP and OOo as well | Feb 21 20:32 |
| schestowitz | OK | Feb 21 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Too little is fine | Feb 21 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | but at least it doesn't assault you with horrid user interface crapplets, Yahoo search, and a MP3 music store built in I guess | Feb 21 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, if you know what to add | Feb 21 20:34 |
| schestowitz | When people are shoves s/t to remove (mono), then... | Feb 21 20:34 |
| schestowitz | *ved | Feb 21 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | Mono should be the first thing to go if you're out of space | Feb 21 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | I just don't get not having GIMP and OOo | Feb 21 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu managed to have all of that on a CD | Feb 21 20:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: every day! | Feb 21 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | where did the space go on Fedora's | Feb 21 20:35 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: LOL | Feb 21 20:35 |
| jweyrich | that too. | Feb 21 20:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: ola | Feb 21 20:35 |
| bruce89 | Fedora installs javav | Feb 21 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | IcedTea | Feb 21 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 21 20:35 |
| bruce89 | although I hear that 13's LiveCD will have OOo | Feb 21 20:35 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: re: Mono, I agree. The reasoning behind Gimp was that Ubuntu is supplied on CD to countries/systems who may not have access to DVD, hence the space saving ethos. | Feb 21 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | still, that's no bigger than Mono | Feb 21 20:35 |
| bruce89 | but it'll be DVD only I think | Feb 21 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin, Without other concerns of Mono, its space expense to usefulness says "ditch it" | Feb 21 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | the fact that it's on the Ubuntu LiveCD says a lot | Feb 21 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | especially since their nightly CD is almost always oversized | Feb 21 20:36 |
| jweyrich | well, besides few.. who does need Mono... | Feb 21 20:36 |
| ender2070 | they have abiword instead of ooo | Feb 21 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | well, Mono runtime takes up at least 60 MB on that CD, and that's only because the CD is compressed | Feb 21 20:37 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: I would agree re: Mono. Ive had a long chat with Jono and whilst removing GIMP ruined a potential deployment of 10.04 for me, it does make sense...can anyone tell me how much space does Mono consume? | Feb 21 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin, The runtimes are about 100 MB before you install assemblies | Feb 21 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 21 20:38 |
| _Goblin | thats bigger than I expected. | Feb 21 20:38 |
| bruce89 | they don't use xz yet do they? | Feb 21 20:38 |
| ender2070 | the kde livecd has all of what you would expect | Feb 21 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | Banshee alone adds several megs in assemblies | Feb 21 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | F-Spot has its own | Feb 21 20:39 |
| ender2070 | no mono, koffice, kopete, konversation, amarok, etc | Feb 21 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | Tomboy brings a few | Feb 21 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | GNOTE is a huge embarassment to Mono | Feb 21 20:39 |
| _Goblin | I personally thought having Abiword rather than OO was a better idea... | Feb 21 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | because it shows how wasteful Tomboy is | Feb 21 20:39 |
| ender2070 | yes | Feb 21 20:39 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: I don't think there was ever any doubt about how wasteful Mono is/was. | Feb 21 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin, Well, if there was no benchmark of how wasteful Mono is with RAM, there is now | Feb 21 20:40 |
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| DaemonFC | and it's there for all to see | Feb 21 20:40 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: and it seems the only ones interested in trying to make apps with it seem to be Novell employee's. | Feb 21 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like to see a C++ port of Banshee myself | Feb 21 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | I would definitely love to have that | Feb 21 20:41 |
| bruce89 | wait until there's a C port of gnote forst | Feb 21 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | well, Banshee does make Rhythmbox look like crap | Feb 21 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | but it needs the entire Mono runtime, assemblies, etc. | Feb 21 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | I don't feel like bringing in a whole runtime just to run one application I find useful | Feb 21 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | Novell is focusing major effort and expenses to develop Banshee because they want to point to one thing that needs Mono that's indispensible | Feb 21 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | there really does need to be a better music player for GNOME, it's just that it happened in the worst way possible | Feb 21 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | Amarok is grear | Feb 21 20:48 |
| schestowitz | And it develops rapidly | Feb 21 20:48 |
| schestowitz | *great | Feb 21 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, it's not for GNOME though, you can bring it in but it brings about 200+ MB of dependencies | Feb 21 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | it's cheaper, dependency-wise to haul in Banshee | Feb 21 20:50 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy/others: bar audits, what means are there for checking/showing that a company is operating fradulently? | Feb 21 20:50 |
| schestowitz | *fraudulently | Feb 21 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | I fear that the FTC/SEC/other pets are totally useless. They have been corrupted by the industry they visit (like Deborah Majoras) | Feb 21 20:50 |
| *DaemonFC goes off to find Solar, the theme in F11 and F12 suck | Feb 21 20:51 | |
| schestowitz | Themes are artificial things to judge by | Feb 21 20:51 |
| schestowitz | If it works, set it how you like it | Feb 21 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Defaults in KDE can also suck, but there are tons of options for customisation | Feb 21 20:52 |
| schestowitz | I have alt+F7 for full screen for example | Feb 21 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Saves time | Feb 21 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Focus strictly under mouse | Feb 21 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Transition between desktop is floating windows rather than cube! | Feb 21 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Really nice | Feb 21 20:52 |
| schestowitz | And close windows blow aprt | Feb 21 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, This Fedora 13 snapshot I'm on is very smooth wrt their ati/3d acceleration support | Feb 21 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Oh, here comes some provocation: http://www.pcworld.com/article/189829/2010_is_becoming_the_year_of_google_screwups.html?tk=rss_news | Feb 21 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: good | Feb 21 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | I'll never go back to ATI's driver | Feb 21 20:53 |
| schestowitz | I've had a fine time with ATI | Feb 21 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Personally | Feb 21 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | with FGLRX? | Feb 21 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Dual head even | Feb 21 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Setup was not as simple | Feb 21 20:54 |
| schestowitz | It's a one-time task though | Feb 21 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Set it and forget it | Feb 21 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | Gnewsense people are "Real Men", gut out GLX support | Feb 21 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | yuck | Feb 21 20:54 |
| schestowitz | That's why we need preintstalls | Feb 21 20:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: good question | Feb 21 20:55 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: we're helpless | Feb 21 20:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: reminds me of the Madoff case, too | Feb 21 20:55 |
| schestowitz | It's like with Madoff | Feb 21 20:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | HAHA | Feb 21 20:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Feb 21 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Many people exposed him | Feb 21 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Many | Feb 21 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Over the years | Feb 21 20:55 |
| schestowitz | SEC didn't listen | Feb 21 20:55 |
| schestowitz | When did they listen? | Feb 21 20:55 |
| schestowitz | When Madoff himself turned himself in | Feb 21 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Then they thought, "hey... maybe he's kidding us" :-) | Feb 21 20:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | even when you get them into court and CONVICT them, it changes nothing ... Madoff must only be one of hundreds; only exposed due to receding waters of recession | Feb 21 20:56 |
| schestowitz | "hey, bernie, you ain't s**ting with us, are you? Have you been drinking?" | Feb 21 20:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: "Do you know what you're doing?" | Feb 21 20:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: "Are you sure you want to do this? You can turn right around and go home." | Feb 21 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Bernie: no, no, I scammed the world... $60,000,000,000 | Feb 21 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft said it had cash reserves of $60,000,000,000 | Feb 21 20:57 |
| schestowitz | That was ages ago | Feb 21 20:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | at one time | Feb 21 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Maybe debt funded | Feb 21 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Now it has debt | Feb 21 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Also........ | Feb 21 20:57 |
| schestowitz | I read this book on Microsoft | Feb 21 20:57 |
| schestowitz | In the 80s it had no money | Feb 21 20:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | I like the way the IV article pointed out the eventual pay day for Gates | Feb 21 20:57 |
| schestowitz | It couldn't buy companies | Feb 21 20:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | Microsoft was structured like that. | Feb 21 20:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | critical mass -> payday -> gone. | Feb 21 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Don't worry | Feb 21 20:58 |
| schestowitz | There's enough PR to keep them out of jail | Feb 21 20:58 |
| schestowitz | The public might even ask for it | Feb 21 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Power of perceptiobn | Feb 21 20:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/189812/leaked_acta_draft_treaty_reveals_plans_for_net_clampdown.html?tk=rss_news | Feb 21 20:58 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Leaked ACTA Draft Treaty Reveals Plans for Net Clampdown - PCWorld .::. Size~: 64.46 KB | Feb 21 20:58 |
| *bruce89 starts the long process of integrating fixes in translations from Ubuntu | Feb 21 20:59 | |
| bruce89 | so nice of them to fork them | Feb 21 21:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right, I think ive done most of my Openbytes stuff for today. You won't get much sense from me on PPV night... | Feb 21 21:08 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/189725/Moscow_Billboard_Porn_Hacker_Busted.html?tk=rss_news | Feb 21 21:10 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Moscow Billboard Porn Hacker Busted - PCWorld .::. Size~: 62.07 KB | Feb 21 21:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/189706/massive_botnet.html?tk=rss_news | Feb 21 21:11 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Over 75,000 Systems Compromised in Cyberattack - PCWorld .::. Size~: 64.54 KB | Feb 21 21:11 |
| *jweyrich has quit (Quit: res.) | Feb 21 21:14 | |
| schestowitz | IDG annoys.. http://www.pcworld.com/article/189553/safari_hacking_contest.html?tk=rss_news | Feb 21 21:19 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Will Apple's Safari Fall First in Hacking Contest ... Again? - PCWorld .::. Size~: 73.85 KB | Feb 21 21:19 |
| schestowitz | They forgot Linus | Feb 21 21:19 |
| schestowitz | They forgot Linux | Feb 21 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Linux won it 2 years ago | Feb 21 21:19 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, hey man | Feb 21 21:19 |
| schestowitz | WHat's up? | Feb 21 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Did you get my Jordan refs? | Feb 21 21:21 |
| schestowitz | I'll have time to write about them tomorrow | Feb 21 21:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | Omar87: ola | Feb 21 21:22 |
| schestowitz | https://secure3.convio.net/gpeace/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=612&s_src=1002newsletter&JServSessionIdr004=3kkkfltjr6.app333a | Feb 21 21:23 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Greenpeace: .::. Size~: 13.49 KB | Feb 21 21:23 |
| schestowitz | http://members.greenpeace.org/blog/greenpeaceusa_blog/2010/02/17/obama_s_atomic_blunder | Feb 21 21:23 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Obama's atomic blunder - Greenpeace USA Blog .::. Size~: 32.88 KB | Feb 21 21:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.fpif.org/articles/obama_boosts_nukes | Feb 21 21:23 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Foreign Policy in Focus | Obama Boosts Nukes .::. Size~: 25.91 KB | Feb 21 21:23 |
| schestowitz | "On February 1, the Obama administration delivered a budget request calling for a full 10 percent increase in nuclear weapons spending next year, to be followed by further increases in subsequent years. " | Feb 21 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Nuclear president | Feb 21 21:24 |
| Omar87 | FurnaceBoy, hi! | Feb 21 21:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: hmmmm wasn't he mumbling about disarmament... | Feb 21 21:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: wants it both ways does he? | Feb 21 21:24 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Mr Psychopath pissed me off a little lately. | Feb 21 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Don't worry, chaps. The US is making more nuclear bombs just to save us from asteroids... that's what Russia is saying too | Feb 21 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: isn't that a troll | Feb 21 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Ignore the trolls | Feb 21 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Feeding them encourages them | Feb 21 21:26 |
| schestowitz | They don't stick to the subject even | Feb 21 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Pathetic IMHO | Feb 21 21:26 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, o'course he is. | Feb 21 21:26 |
| schestowitz | RMS: "Barrie Sheldon dares the UK to prosecute him for bringing his wife the drugs with which to kill herself at the last moment she would still have been able to." http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/feb/19/barrie-sheldon-assisted-suicide-overdose | Feb 21 21:26 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: 77-year-old man 'assisted in ailing wife's suicide' |Society |The Guardian .::. Size~: 71.22 KB | Feb 21 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: just don't waste time on him | Feb 21 21:26 |
| schestowitz | You've got real issues to address | Feb 21 21:26 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, lol! They're biggest argument now is basically that you usually tend to back your arguments with links to previous articles that you wrote about that certain subject. | Feb 21 21:27 |
| schestowitz | What's most hilarious to me is that they compare attacks on ONE PERSON to a criticism from one person of a company of 85,000 full-time employees (MSFT) and 39,000 (NOVL) | Feb 21 21:27 |
| schestowitz | *3,900 | Feb 21 21:28 |
| Omar87 | Their* | Feb 21 21:28 |
| schestowitz | My articles contain external links | Feb 21 21:28 |
| schestowitz | People can follow through to the external ones | Feb 21 21:28 |
| schestowitz | And those who are not trolls already know this and point this out | Feb 21 21:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/feb/18/palm-oil-biofuels-eu-plan | Feb 21 21:29 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: A surreal argument for biofuels | David Cronin |Comment is free |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 192.91 KB | Feb 21 21:29 |
| schestowitz | RMS: "The EU is considering getting 10% of its fuel from palm oil, which would devastate rainforests and raise worldwide food prices. Biofuel will be a great idea if and when it can be made from plant waste or weeds, but cultivating crops for this purpose is stupid (or worse, corrupt)." | Feb 21 21:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Obama talks up disarmament then commits to #death industry http://bit.ly/bi5h6d (ht @schestowitz) WITHDRAW NOBEL | Feb 21 21:30 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Foreign Policy in Focus | Obama Boosts Nukes .::. Size~: 25.91 KB | Feb 21 21:30 |
| schestowitz | We ruin nature very fast http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/feb/18/deep-sea-trawling-coral-reefs | Feb 21 21:30 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Deep-sea trawling is destroying coral reefs and pristine marine habitats |Environment |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 76.71 KB | Feb 21 21:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | Palm oil is major driver of deforestation in Indonesia and SE Asia | Feb 21 21:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] On #Obama's request [for nuke $$] Linton Brooks, who ran Nucular Security for Bush, said "I would've killed for this kind of budget" #death | Feb 21 21:32 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "If [#Obama] budget request passes...Los Alamos would see a 22% budget increase in 1 year, its biggest since the Manhattan Project." #death | Feb 21 21:34 | |
| *DaemonFC facepalms | Feb 21 21:36 | |
| DaemonFC | I had to edit my repo file for rpmfusion | Feb 21 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | it was point to "13" which didn't exist yet | Feb 21 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | and all the files I wanted were labeled fc9 through fc12 anyway | Feb 21 21:37 |
| *DaemonFC imagines he'll need to fix this eventually, but has MP3 for no | Feb 21 21:37 | |
| DaemonFC | *now | Feb 21 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | oh now this is interesting | Feb 21 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | they have fc13 packages shoved into fc12's folder | Feb 21 21:38 |
| *DaemonFC is having a WTF moment | Feb 21 21:38 | |
| schestowitz | Los Alamos uses GNU/Linux, FurnaceBoy | Feb 21 21:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: no doubt | Feb 21 21:40 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: what do you think of nukes? | Feb 21 21:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: any organization beyond a certain size does | Feb 21 21:40 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: the whole "defence" industry doies | Feb 21 21:40 |
| schestowitz | It's good for HPC | Feb 21 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Saves money | Feb 21 21:41 |
| *DaemonFC stopped worrying and learned to love the bomb | Feb 21 21:41 | |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: and of course they are a hotbed of HPC, which is 90%+ linux | Feb 21 21:41 |
| schestowitz | They are short.... half a trillion a year not enough | Feb 21 21:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: right | Feb 21 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Or maybe Linux is better for more than just cost :-D | Feb 21 21:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's not just cost | Feb 21 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Cutting the budget is a good motivator sometimes | Feb 21 21:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: flexibility too | Feb 21 21:41 |
| schestowitz | That Linus guy... | Feb 21 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | forces people to figure out how to do more with less | Feb 21 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Helping #death :-) | Feb 21 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Not knowing about it | Feb 21 21:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: any taxpayer does | Feb 21 21:42 |
| schestowitz | he thought he was just coding for servers, phones, and smartvibrators | Feb 21 21:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: we just get to pick what flag flies on the battlefield | Feb 21 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | actually, they're preventing death | Feb 21 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | by the millions | Feb 21 21:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: did you HAVE to do that? | Feb 21 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Sorry. | Feb 21 21:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you warned me of this the other day | Feb 21 21:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: :P | Feb 21 21:42 |
| schestowitz | It's just that he ignored problems | Feb 21 21:42 |
| schestowitz | In denial | Feb 21 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Like the average Indianan (is that a word?) | Feb 21 21:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] At LAX, awesome #scale as usual, but ready for home. | Feb 21 21:43 | |
| DaemonFC | enough nuclear powers out there that hate us, that they would nuke us if they thought it would be a freebie | Feb 21 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Hoosier | Feb 21 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Your daddy? | Feb 21 21:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: never raise a topic about which books have been written. because he's read exactly zero of them. | Feb 21 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana | Feb 21 21:44 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Indiana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 413.89 KB | Feb 21 21:44 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: Hitcham from Morocco used to hang out here and attempt to educate DaemonFC | Feb 21 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | Demonym Hoosier | Feb 21 21:44 |
| schestowitz | I guess it won't harm to reolve issues | Feb 21 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | Nickname(s): The Hoosier State | Feb 21 21:44 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: he never left his continent, either (not that it matters, IMHO) | Feb 21 21:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: shucks, even before the 'net, there were public libraries; there's really no excuse | Feb 21 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Sagan has a good video on libraries | Feb 21 21:45 |
| schestowitz | And his childhood story about how he learned about stars | Feb 21 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Today's kids use FB and stuff | Feb 21 21:45 |
| schestowitz | I don't think people in general can read books | Feb 21 21:45 |
| schestowitz | They read short stuff | Feb 21 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Pages->blog posts->microblogging | Feb 21 21:46 |
| schestowitz | We've reduced the Internet too to txting *lol* | Feb 21 21:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: whatevs! nukes r gd k | Feb 21 21:46 |
| schestowitz | lol 4 shor | Feb 21 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | You know that during the civil war, Indiana was only invaded once :D | Feb 21 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | and the invaders were routed and sent retreating through Ohio | Feb 21 21:47 |
| schestowitz | By who? | Feb 21 21:47 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you should have had nukes them | Feb 21 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | the confederates | Feb 21 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | nah, they didn't come back | Feb 21 21:48 |
| schestowitz | You could nuke them | Feb 21 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | fuck the south | Feb 21 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | we should | Feb 21 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | damn right! | Feb 21 21:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | mos' def' | Feb 21 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Right at the border when the wing swings the right direction | Feb 21 21:48 |
| schestowitz | *sind | Feb 21 21:48 |
| schestowitz | *>wind | Feb 21 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | I hope Texas does secede and we have an excuse to nuke it | Feb 21 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Idiot. | Feb 21 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think Obama has the balls to do it though | Feb 21 21:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | LOL | Feb 21 21:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh man... is that your definition of masculinity? THe will to drop a nuclear weapon? The rest of the world calls it "psychosis". | Feb 21 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | it's Texas | Feb 21 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | I treat psychoses as kind of like a bank account | Feb 21 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | Texas keeps overdrawing itself | Feb 21 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | someone has to return the balance to neutral | Feb 21 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | and Who ya gonna call? | Feb 21 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 21 21:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] The latest Microsoft Office vids on youtube seem about as popular as the Windows 7 party ads. lol. You don't get it Microsoft do you? #fail | Feb 21 21:51 | |
| DaemonFC | I think the universe gave us Texans so there's be something more annoying than Canadians | Feb 21 21:51 |
| *bruce89 (~bruce89@78.33.73.43) has left #boycottnovell | Feb 21 21:52 | |
| DaemonFC | if you think about it, Texans really are the anti-Canadians | Feb 21 21:52 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/02/beck-gop-fess-tiger-woods/ | Feb 21 21:52 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Glenn Beck wants GOP to fess up like Tiger Woods | Raw Story .::. Size~: 32.59 KB | Feb 21 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | only instead of them telling you to throw out your guns and be a hippie, they're telling you to arm yourself with fucking rocket launchers | Feb 21 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | arguing that this is what the Second Amendment was put there for in a time of single shot muskets that took a minute to reload | Feb 21 21:53 |
| schestowitz | " arm yourself with fucking rocket launchers"? [citation needed] | Feb 21 21:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "Nuclear weapons are an especially dangerous investment for a declining hegemon." http://fpif.org/articles/obama_boosts_nukes #obama #death | Feb 21 21:54 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin sign of company on the retreat | Feb 21 21:54 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Foreign Policy in Focus | Obama Boosts Nukes .::. Size~: 25.91 KB | Feb 21 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | nobody needs an M16 to go deer hunting with | Feb 21 21:55 |
| schestowitz | What shocks me is that Obama cut NASA budgets | Feb 21 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | or for personal protection | Feb 21 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Civilisation and science are more important than rms, but hey, that's just my humble opinion | Feb 21 21:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | "throw out your guns and be a hippie"? (citation needed) | Feb 21 21:55 |
| schestowitz | After breaking apart all this ammunition after the Cold War | Feb 21 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, What's the limit that Canada allows you to have? | Feb 21 21:56 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: Bill ORLY, FAUX News, January 5th, 1991: 5:60 | Feb 21 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | low powered rifles and shotguns? | Feb 21 21:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: a lot more than we need | Feb 21 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | I'd kind of like to get an AR-15 | Feb 21 21:57 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/02/dutch-government-falls-afghan-military-mission/ | Feb 21 21:57 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Dutch government falls over Afghan military mission | Raw Story .::. Size~: 34.7 KB | Feb 21 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Ha! | Feb 21 21:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yep | Feb 21 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | jsut cause it looks almost exactly like the M16 | Feb 21 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Good luck, Mr. Nobel | Feb 21 21:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I am praying my heart out that Harper is next | Feb 21 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | people would see you with that and run like hell | Feb 21 21:57 |
| schestowitz | n http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0210/33199.html | Feb 21 21:58 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Paul: 'The revolution is alive and well' - Andy Barr - POLITICO.com .::. Size~: 77.65 KB | Feb 21 21:58 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK, he's not pro-guns | Feb 21 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | hmm, ok, so now I have Fedora all set up | Feb 21 21:59 |
| schestowitz | We should fund a DaemonFC presidential campaign | Feb 21 21:59 |
| schestowitz | He could beat Palin in a heartbeat | Feb 21 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Why would you want ME to be the President? | Feb 21 21:59 |
| schestowitz | And none of us has US citizenship... | Feb 21 21:59 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it's obvious | Feb 21 21:59 |
| schestowitz | You'll hasten up the crisis | Feb 21 21:59 |
| *FurnaceBoy laughs | Feb 21 21:59 | |
| DaemonFC | I know why you THINK it's obvious | Feb 21 22:00 |
| schestowitz | And end some misery to places like Greece | Feb 21 22:00 |
| schestowitz | So we in the EU won't need to bail out for Gold Man's Axe mess | Feb 21 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, the few examples we have had of an executive having no party affiliations, the Democrats and Republicans overruled their vetoes most of the time | Feb 21 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Not that the UK wasn't complicit... | Feb 21 22:01 |
| schestowitz | But that's another subject altogether | Feb 21 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | look at how many times it happened to Jesse Ventura | Feb 21 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Ventura *LOL* | Feb 21 22:01 |
| schestowitz | I saw some videos of him in politics... about 10 | Feb 21 22:01 |
| schestowitz | It was more than enough | Feb 21 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | I like him | Feb 21 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | I'd vote for him | Feb 21 22:01 |
| schestowitz | He's like the Schwarzenegger type | Feb 21 22:01 |
| schestowitz | People vote for him fake | Feb 21 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | he should run in 2012 | Feb 21 22:01 |
| schestowitz | And muscles | Feb 21 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | nah | Feb 21 22:01 |
| schestowitz | That's how states get destryed | Feb 21 22:01 |
| schestowitz | CA is banklrupt\ | Feb 21 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | The Governator is jsut a rich hollywood actor from Austria | Feb 21 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | he is a fake | Feb 21 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | Ventura is awesome | Feb 21 22:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: really? who knew | Feb 21 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Feb 21 22:02 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it was a typo | Feb 21 22:02 |
| schestowitz | fake-fame | Feb 21 22:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: Schwarzenegger becomes President in your future. I saw it in the Simpsons MOvie. | Feb 21 22:02 |
| schestowitz | They recognise him name | Feb 21 22:02 |
| schestowitz | So they vote for him | Feb 21 22:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: right | Feb 21 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, The consitution wouldn't allow it | Feb 21 22:03 |
| schestowitz | "hey!! It's that man from TV who saved us from aliens and trucks" | Feb 21 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | Governator has hit his political peak | Feb 21 22:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: nonsense. Obama was born in Liechtenstein, and HE'S president. | Feb 21 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Coming from a place where most people believe we come from 'intelligent' design | Feb 21 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Fanatasies | Feb 21 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | Hawaii is part of the United States | Feb 21 22:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: precisely | Feb 21 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | we leaned on them fair and square | Feb 21 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 21 22:03 |
| schestowitz | One defence is to confuse evolution with cosmology and physics | Feb 21 22:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: Obama was no more born in Hawaii than I was! | Feb 21 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | well, Aloha! | Feb 21 22:04 |
| schestowitz | In Kentucky, as I've learned today, they have just solidified some fantasy classes | Feb 21 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Where they indocrinate kids to believe in parallel universes/realities | Feb 21 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Realities where there's this man above the cloud.... taught at schools | Feb 21 22:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: they broadcast FOX in schools now? | Feb 21 22:04 |
| schestowitz | I'm not at least shocked....... | Feb 21 22:04 |
| *DaemonFC starts learning Hawaii Creole Pidgin so he can speak to FurnaceBoy more competantly | Feb 21 22:04 | |
| DaemonFC | *grin* | Feb 21 22:04 |
| schestowitz | He was born in Hawaii | Feb 21 22:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: just bone up on Lilo'n'Stitch .. why reach beyond Disney for any topic? | Feb 21 22:05 |
| schestowitz | They have his birth certiificate and an article | Feb 21 22:05 |
| schestowitz | The "Fantasy people' pretend they have no eyes | Feb 21 22:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: JFK was his real dad | Feb 21 22:06 |
| schestowitz | That they can't see his birth ceritificate that they stick on TV | Feb 21 22:06 |
| schestowitz | To them, Obama being an outsider is lik faith | Feb 21 22:06 |
| schestowitz | it doesn't matter what you say, they have already decided | Feb 21 22:06 |
| schestowitz | If you disagree, that's blasphemy | Feb 21 22:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: of course he's not one of us. he's the wrong colour. | Feb 21 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, and space aliens genetically engineered him to be black but not walk around with his pants buckled to his ankles carrying a boombox | Feb 21 22:06 |
| schestowitz | He's an alien | Feb 21 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 21 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Dressed like a human being | Feb 21 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Be afraid! | Feb 21 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Very afraid! | Feb 21 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Flying saucer! | Feb 21 22:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: how did we get to be talking about Cheney? | Feb 21 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Some people can't tell apart reality and sci-fiction | Feb 21 22:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Feb 21 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, Go Fuck Yourself!!!!! arrrrghhh!!!!! | Feb 21 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Feb 21 22:07 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: I read about him yesterday | Feb 21 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Admission of crimes | Feb 21 22:07 |
| schestowitz | But it doesn't matter | Feb 21 22:07 |
| schestowitz | He's rich | Feb 21 22:07 |
| schestowitz | It takes more crimes to take him down, so to speak | Feb 21 22:07 |
| schestowitz | He has $karma$ | Feb 21 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxFc1RMbko4 | Feb 21 22:08 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: YouTube- Dick Cheney as a Wal-Mart Greeter .::. Size~: 115.42 KB | Feb 21 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Feb 21 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Maybe some people's brain work badly | Feb 21 22:08 |
| schestowitz | yet they reproduce well (no contraception | Feb 21 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOoKiszmKAQ&feature=related | Feb 21 22:08 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: YouTube- Family Guy Hunting With Dick Cheney .::. Size~: 120.23 KB | Feb 21 22:08 |
| schestowitz | We have mechanisms to tell apart dream and reality | Feb 21 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Some people have flaws | Feb 21 22:08 |
| schestowitz | So they become schizophrenic or deluded | Feb 21 22:09 |
| schestowitz | And the tool for controlling masses is this delusion they offer | Feb 21 22:09 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, btw, according to the Psychopath's argument, even Wikipedia (The 4th most visted and most trusted website on Earth) is also an example of bad journalism. | Feb 21 22:09 |
| Omar87 | :P | Feb 21 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Unless the paycheck doesn't come (c/f fired MS employees) | Feb 21 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Wanda Sykes: "Dick Cheney showed up in Afghanistan to boost troop morale. I don't know about you, but my boss is the last person I want to see. And what do you get if Dick Cheney shoots you? It's not a purple heart, it's one of Cheney's bad old hearts." | Feb 21 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: yes, but it has external links | Feb 21 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | "Here ya go son, lucky number 4!" | Feb 21 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 21 22:10 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I know that, but I'm just saying what he thinks. | Feb 21 22:10 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: saying eulogies? | Feb 21 22:10 |
| schestowitz | It's noble really | Feb 21 22:10 |
| schestowitz | he goes to see the boys he sent there before they die | Feb 21 22:10 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, he's plain pathetic. | Feb 21 22:10 |
| schestowitz | How kind of him | Feb 21 22:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | [05:03:09] <Omar87> schestowitz, btw, according to the Psychopath's argument, even Wikipedia (The 4th most visted and most trusted website on Earth) is also an example of bad journalism. | Feb 21 22:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wasnt aware it was journalism at all. | Feb 21 22:11 |
| Omar87 | Diablo-D3, It's not. | Feb 21 22:11 |
| Omar87 | Diablo-D3, but neirther is Roy's website. | Feb 21 22:12 |
| Omar87 | neither* | Feb 21 22:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not | Feb 21 22:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | his is just repeating stuff he heard elsewhere | Feb 21 22:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | so | Feb 21 22:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | that makes fox news not journalism either :D | Feb 21 22:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | heh | Feb 21 22:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | did anyone ever think it was? | Feb 21 22:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | not everyone watches the daily show | Feb 21 22:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | hm..? | Feb 21 22:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | which, ironically, IS journalism | Feb 21 22:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | Murdoch has been around a lot longer than the Daily Show. | Feb 21 22:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | he's not a new problem | Feb 21 22:13 |
| Omar87 | Roy basically gathers the information and place them in a neat and easy-to-access way for people to read. | Feb 21 22:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | he just flits from continent to continent, destroying media. | Feb 21 22:13 |
| Omar87 | He basically analyzes the latest news and publishes his results to the world, no more. | Feb 21 22:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | Omar87: I'd call this at a minimum aggregation, at best, analysis | Feb 21 22:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | Omar87: Roy draws some good dots | Feb 21 22:14 |
| Omar87 | FurnaceBoy, exactly. | Feb 21 22:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | joins* | Feb 21 22:14 |
| Omar87 | FurnaceBoy, Thank you. | Feb 21 22:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | and he seems to have an encyclopedic memory :) | Feb 21 22:15 |
| Omar87 | FurnaceBoy, agreed. :) | Feb 21 22:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | half of what he remembers and links and cites, I've blotted out already because it's so filthy disgusting to carry around as knowledge :( | Feb 21 22:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | Omar87: also, it's worth mentioning the Groklaw tradition | Feb 21 22:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | Omar87: few people are archiving the incriminating stuff... all the vested interests want suppressed | Feb 21 22:16 |
| Omar87 | FurnaceBoy, Bingo! | Feb 21 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw is great | Feb 21 22:17 |
| schestowitz | For Linux news, Phoronix | Feb 21 22:17 |
| Omar87 | Exactly. | Feb 21 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Tux Machines for aggregation | Feb 21 22:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_netbook_fs&num=1 | Feb 21 22:17 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: [Phoronix] EXT3, EXT4, Btrfs Ubuntu Netbook Benchmarks .::. Size~: 18.76 KB | Feb 21 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Phoronix won't punish some "is this year of the desktop?" nonsense | Feb 21 22:17 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Groklaw does an excellent job of filing the incriminating stuff about the giant monopolist. | Feb 21 22:17 |
| schestowitz | It just actually does some real work tracking developers and testing code | Feb 21 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Compare to IG | Feb 21 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Enquiring with "analysts", who are extensions of companies (funded by the) | Feb 21 22:18 |
| schestowitz | *them | Feb 21 22:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | Omar87: we just need to make sure that GL and BN can't be "disappeared" | Feb 21 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: mostly SCO | Feb 21 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, Nexuiz runs nearly as fast as with FGLRX | Feb 21 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | this is encouraging | Feb 21 22:18 |
| Omar87 | FurnaceBoy, true. | Feb 21 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft stuff is incomplete there because PJ already has her eyes on the SCO ball | Feb 21 22:18 |
| schestowitz | BN is focused on Novell and Microsoft (the deal) | Feb 21 22:19 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, but the story is the same at the end of day, since both companies and 2 faces of the same coin. | Feb 21 22:19 |
| Omar87 | are* 2 faces | Feb 21 22:19 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: yes, no "page has expired" or missing | Feb 21 22:19 |
| schestowitz | There's many years of research going into showing the dots | Feb 21 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Like who an analyst works for and what he says when | Feb 21 22:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you have to have mirrors in un-touchable jurisdictions, imho | Feb 21 22:20 |
| schestowitz | FFII has good profiles | Feb 21 22:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: (or harder to shut down) | Feb 21 22:20 |
| schestowitz | That can be set up | Feb 21 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Maybe next weekend | Feb 21 22:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Feb 21 22:21 |
| *FurnaceBoy afks | Feb 21 22:21 | |
| schestowitz | "Built by the Broadband Computer Company, the Alex laptop runs an operating system based on Ubuntu Linux and a set of applications that have been written in-house. The laptop's features have been vastly simplified, and updates are applied automatically without prompting the user, according to company co-founder Andy Hudson." | Feb 21 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Linux laptop takes the strain for technophobes http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,1000000091,40047601,00.htm | Feb 21 22:26 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Top stories - ZDNet UK News .::. Size~: 111.7 KB | Feb 21 22:26 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, check this out: http://www.fsdaily.com/Community/Excellent_Lessons_in_Journalism_How_to_Write_a_BoycottNovell_Article#comment-5726 | Feb 21 22:27 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Excellent Lessons in Journalism: How to Write a BoycottNovell Article! | fsdaily.com - Free Software News .::. Size~: 56.68 KB | Feb 21 22:27 |
| schestowitz | http://tech.nocr.at/tech/happy-birthday-bbs/ | Feb 21 22:29 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Happy Birthday BBS | tech.nocr.at .::. Size~: 45 KB | Feb 21 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: read it, thanks for defending us | Feb 21 22:35 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, anytime. :-) | Feb 21 22:40 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Father in law needs vista laptop disk repartitioning. Showed him gparted. I think he was impressed. | Feb 21 22:57 | |
| *schestowitz prepares some daily links | Feb 21 23:04 | |
| schestowitz | MeeGo looks bloated. http://en.akihabaranews.com/35027/phone/nokia%E2%80%99s-maemo-project-merges-with-intel%E2%80%99s-moblin-to-become-meego | Feb 21 23:09 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Nokia’s Maemo project merges with Intel’s Moblin to become MeeGo « Akihabara News .::. Size~: 60.12 KB | Feb 21 23:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.co.uk/talkback/0,1000001161,40043024-39001105c-20107169o,00.htm "getting BECTA to change policy could be difficult" | Feb 21 23:10 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: getting BECTA to change policy could be difficult - Ofsted advises schools to open website access - Talkback at ZDNet UK .::. Size~: 80.08 KB | Feb 21 23:10 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/10-best-linux-distributions-distros-in-2010/ | Feb 21 23:13 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: 10 Best Linux Distributions / Distros in 2010 .::. Size~: 73.51 KB | Feb 21 23:14 |
| schestowitz | This guy who previously trolled Linux is at it again: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2360048,00.asp | Feb 21 23:21 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: LiMo Could Join New MeeGo Mobile Group - Reviews by PC Magazine .::. Size~: 77.8 KB | Feb 21 23:21 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Oi oi oaktown. | Feb 21 23:30 | |
| schestowitz | Here is a site making things up: | Feb 21 23:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/31617/lg-predicts-death-of-symbian-webos | Feb 21 23:33 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: LG predicts death of Symbian, BlackBerry, webOS - Pocket-lint .::. Size~: 42.27 KB | Feb 21 23:33 |
| schestowitz | He didn't say it,,, he just said consolidation | Feb 21 23:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] "I am you, he is she, we are all together" - Robert Ortbal | Feb 21 23:40 | |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.computerworld.com/15620/is_windows_7_really_a_memory_hog | Feb 21 23:45 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Is Windows 7 really a memory hog? - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 135.49 KB | Feb 21 23:45 |
| schestowitz | "Editor's note: The person quoted in this story as "Craig Barth" is actually Randall C. Kennedy, an InfoWorld contributor. Kennedy, who presented himself as the CTO of Devil Mountain Software, no longer works at InfoWorld. Given that he disguised his identity to Computerworld and a number of other publications, the credibility of Kennedy's statements is called into question. Rather than simply remove stories in which he is quoted, we | Feb 21 23:45 |
| schestowitz | have left them online so readers can weigh his data and conclusions for themselves." | Feb 21 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Whoa | Feb 21 23:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | hm | Feb 21 23:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | they should combine that with liberal use of highlighter in the article text | Feb 21 23:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC Trust blows £3m on new HQ - Times Online - What's the difference between a corporate fat cat and a BBC exec? http://tinyurl.com/y9mle6c | Feb 21 23:49 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: BBC Trust blows £3m on new HQ - Times Online .::. Size~: 99.65 KB | Feb 21 23:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @michaelgeist #ACTA Internet chapter leaks: reveals USTR deceptive claims on 3 strikes. It IS model policy for ISPs http://bit.ly/9krV4M | Feb 21 23:54 | |
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