| sebsebseb | bruce89: whatever | Mar 02 00:00 |
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| bruce89 | whenever | Mar 02 00:00 |
| _Goblin | 10.04 is fantastic btw.....alpha 3 and rock solid....noticably quicker than 9.10 already! | Mar 02 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | jono_, Everytime I use gnome shell, the kernel dies with a null pointer dereference not long after | Mar 02 00:00 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: It can support Iphones and Ipod touch's properly at the moment, but Apple might brake that | Mar 02 00:00 |
| _Goblin | yeah I was reading about that. | Mar 02 00:01 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: well to make bruce89 happy I should make it clear, it's Gnome that does it, not Ubuntu | Mar 02 00:01 |
| bruce89 | or to be precise, GVFS does | Mar 02 00:01 |
| _Goblin | I havent got an ipod....but its another feature to attract a more mainstream user. | Mar 02 00:01 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: same here I don't have one either, but if that works properly that's good for mainstream users | Mar 02 00:02 |
| _Goblin | sort of on topic: I would like to see Enlightenment (in the future) used more....its a great DE (running Elive on my main rig currently) | Mar 02 00:02 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: that have Ipods or Iphones | Mar 02 00:02 |
| bruce89 | incidentally, Fedora hasn't enabled it by the looks of things | Mar 02 00:02 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: some of you want, KDE being used as the default for Ubuntu instead of GNOME, because of no Mono. KDE as the default desktop no thanks! | Mar 02 00:02 |
| _Goblin | KDE? Never warmed to it. | Mar 02 00:03 |
| bruce89 | oops, my mistake | Mar 02 00:03 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: same here | Mar 02 00:03 |
| _Goblin | wish I could, but I have to say there is something about Gnome that makes me feel "at home" | Mar 02 00:03 |
| bruce89 | gvfs-afc | Mar 02 00:03 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: KDE 3 was :) ,but would still go back to GNOME. KDE 4 was horrible untill 4.3 which I can use and have used quite a bit, but then back to GNOME yep | Mar 02 00:03 |
| _Goblin | Playing word association with KDE.....the following springs to my mind when using it.... | Mar 02 00:04 |
| _Goblin | plastic | Mar 02 00:04 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: yeah same here, Gnome makes me feel at home, but I have also been using it since 2004 | Mar 02 00:04 |
| _Goblin | thin | Mar 02 00:04 |
| _Goblin | cheap | Mar 02 00:04 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: and quite a lot | Mar 02 00:04 |
| _Goblin | Vistaesque | Mar 02 00:04 |
| _Goblin | tacky | Mar 02 00:04 |
| MinceR | i wonder how is the DE that has a lot more functionality and features "cheap" | Mar 02 00:04 |
| _Goblin | and..... | Mar 02 00:04 |
| _Goblin | chavvy | Mar 02 00:04 |
| _Goblin | Mincer: I know...its a personal thing..... | Mar 02 00:05 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: Vistaesque you mean like Vista? | Mar 02 00:05 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89 is pretty loytal to GNOME it seems | Mar 02 00:05 |
| sebsebseb | loyal | Mar 02 00:05 |
| sebsebseb | above | Mar 02 00:05 |
| _Goblin | Mincer: Ive avoided the subject on my blog as much as possible since those are just my personal feelings, I really have tried to like KDE...but I can't....I simply feel at home with Gnome, Xfce and Im developing a love of Enlightenment. | Mar 02 00:06 |
| bruce89 | http://blog.sukimashita.com/?p=171 | Mar 02 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, Careful, you'll start a war over who thought of the crapplications, crapplets, and crap features and who stole them | Mar 02 00:06 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Sukimashita Weblog » Its coming& Apples 3.0 on Linux! .::. Size~: 32.5 KB | Mar 02 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 02 00:06 |
| bruce89 | technically not really GNOME even | Mar 02 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | I was perfectly happy with KDE 3.5.x | Mar 02 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | I know I'm not everybody | Mar 02 00:06 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: I was with older Knoppix for example | Mar 02 00:07 |
| _Goblin | Mincer: I can quite believe KDE is better than Gnome in so many ways, I can quite believe there are advantages to KDE....still I just cannot like it.....sorry. | Mar 02 00:07 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: yeah KDE is meant to be "so good" ,but everytime I used it, it's been like uh | Mar 02 00:07 |
| sebsebseb | Amarok they love going on about that | Mar 02 00:07 |
| bruce89 | I am a GNOME person, but I also like to see credit where it's due | Mar 02 00:07 |
| sebsebseb | how great it is | Mar 02 00:07 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I never liked Amarok much | Mar 02 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | Amarok 3 was good | Mar 02 00:07 |
| MinceR | i miss shuffling the playlist from amarok | Mar 02 00:08 |
| DaemonFC | Amarok 4 kind of blows | Mar 02 00:08 |
| sebsebseb | they as in KDE people | Mar 02 00:08 |
| sebsebseb | KDE users | Mar 02 00:08 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb, I think it just must be my brain......maybe its a mental hangup I have.... | Mar 02 00:08 |
| MinceR | so my backup audio player is rhythmbox | Mar 02 00:08 |
| MinceR | (when audacious goes berserk) | Mar 02 00:08 |
| sebsebseb | anyway Firefox 4 features there's this article I went on earlier, but soon after woulds, it took me to some stupid advert :( | Mar 02 00:08 |
| sebsebseb | October or whatever it was saying for Firefox 4 though, and Mozilla has it's offical thing about that | Mar 02 00:08 |
| tessier | ah....we might have a failing drive or something somewhere in the SAN. | Mar 02 00:09 |
| tessier | sdc and sdd? That seems unlikely. Hmm | Mar 02 00:10 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: also there's a webkit link I could give you | Mar 02 00:10 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: ,but so far haven't bothered to | Mar 02 00:10 |
| bruce89 | so I've noticed | Mar 02 00:10 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: since webkit blah de blah | Mar 02 00:10 |
| sebsebseb | Gecko :) | Mar 02 00:11 |
| sebsebseb | webkit might be better now | Mar 02 00:11 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I am still supporting Gecko :) | Mar 02 00:11 |
| bruce89 | you've convinced me | Mar 02 00:11 |
| bruce89 | that argument has utterly converted me no end | Mar 02 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | MP3 store fail | Mar 02 00:11 |
| _Goblin | me too... | Mar 02 00:11 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: I wasn't trying to convert you, and oh at your sarcasm again, or whatever this is :D | Mar 02 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | most of what I listen to is $3 as a used CD | Mar 02 00:11 |
| _Goblin | .....what are we talking about? | Mar 02 00:11 |
| bruce89 | I have no idea | Mar 02 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | jono_, When will the Ubuntu One Used MP3 Store debut? | Mar 02 00:12 |
| bruce89 | but "blah blah blah" is the way to change peoples' ideas | Mar 02 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | I might buy your bits when you're done with them | Mar 02 00:12 |
| schestowitz | tessier: data at risk? | Mar 02 00:12 |
| _Goblin | daemonfc: mp3 store - you talking about Canonicals offering? | Mar 02 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Mar 02 00:12 |
| tessier | schestowitz: No | Mar 02 00:12 |
| jono_ | DaemonFC, Ubuntu One Music Store should be out soon | Mar 02 00:12 |
| jono_ | not sure of specifics | Mar 02 00:12 |
| schestowitz | I notice it gave some DNS error a little moment ago | Mar 02 00:12 |
| tessier | schestowitz: Everything is mirrored for this reason. | Mar 02 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | used mp3s competing with used cds, get it? :) | Mar 02 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Like it wasn't there for a few moments | Mar 02 00:12 |
| *bruce89 needs to file a bug | Mar 02 00:12 | |
| schestowitz | Then reloading worked fine | Mar 02 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Also from another route (w3c validator) | Mar 02 00:13 |
| _Goblin | daemonfc: why do you say fail? Its just like any other service you can find on the net, difference being Canonical can get revenue, which will benefit the end-user of its products. | Mar 02 00:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.embedded-bits.co.uk/?p=213 | Mar 02 00:13 |
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| _Goblin | daemonfc: I currently use We7....that will change when Canonical offers its service, with the benefit being the profit will be fed back into the Ubuntu product...unlike now where We7 gets my money. | Mar 02 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin, 1411 kbps CD $3.97, VBR 2 (~192k) MP3 album $10.49 | Mar 02 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | I think that's MP3 Fail | Mar 02 00:15 |
| _Goblin | daemonfc: I don't, certainly for my usage of Mp3's.....the wife likes her tracks on PC...I have the money.....Canonical has the service, everyone is a winner. | Mar 02 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | plus if you buy the mp3, the MAFIAA gets another bite | Mar 02 00:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.dthomasdigital.com/?p=148 | Mar 02 00:15 |
| _Goblin | thats of no concern to me. | Mar 02 00:16 |
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| DaemonFC | I don't like feeding them that way | Mar 02 00:16 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yes | Mar 02 00:16 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I went on that earlier | Mar 02 00:16 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: thought about linking to it here, but then decided not to | Mar 02 00:16 |
| schestowitz | debill | Mar 02 00:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you have to feed them that way until another system exists. if you don't like it, don;'t use artists that participate | Mar 02 00:16 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: debill? | Mar 02 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Yeah :-) | Mar 02 00:16 |
| schestowitz | No you | Mar 02 00:16 |
| schestowitz | The Bill | Mar 02 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | I'll buy the CDs second hand | Mar 02 00:16 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: what? | Mar 02 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | save money, better quality, no RIAA double dip | Mar 02 00:16 |
| schestowitz | The Digital Economy Bill | Mar 02 00:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: ah, that's a good idea | Mar 02 00:16 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.robweir.com/blog/2010/02/microsoft-random-browser-ballot.html | Mar 02 00:16 |
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| schestowitz | From debill | Mar 02 00:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I am a big believer in secondary markets myself (mainly books) | Mar 02 00:17 |
| _Goblin | the important think is that it helps the Canonical product.....ive said it before, if Linux has any hopes of offering an alternative to and competing with Microsoft, they have to enter "the real world".....Canonical or anyone else cannot take on MS with the good will of a few chatters in BN. | Mar 02 00:17 |
| _Goblin | sadly. | Mar 02 00:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: Canonical alone won't end MS | Mar 02 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | every MP3 sale is effectively another double dip for the RIAA since you can't sell used MP3s | Mar 02 00:17 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debil | Mar 02 00:17 |
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| bruce89 | ugh | Mar 02 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | hence my used mp3 joke | Mar 02 00:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: it will be bottom up | Mar 02 00:17 |
| *tessier runs badblocks | Mar 02 00:17 | |
| bruce89 | First there was vinyl...now there's MP3 | Mar 02 00:17 |
| bruce89 | advert that was just on | Mar 02 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | oh dear lord | Mar 02 00:18 |
| _Goblin | furnace: the same was said when the ST had a foothold on the market and the Amiga was trying to make inroads in the UK. | Mar 02 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | don't get me started | Mar 02 00:18 |
| _Goblin | furnace: who knows what will happen in the future. | Mar 02 00:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: I have a lot of trouble seeing any single company as a white knight to save us from MS. | Mar 02 00:18 |
| bruce89 | may as well have one that says "There was a house...now there's a wardrobe" | Mar 02 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | bruce89, That's like comparing a fine sit down restaurant with a can of Hormel chili out of the microwave | Mar 02 00:18 |
| bruce89 | it was a hair colour advert though | Mar 02 00:18 |
| bruce89 | there was some other good bad comparison as well | Mar 02 00:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: besides, i gather from lurking here that Canonical's moves are rather ambiguous re MS | Mar 02 00:19 |
| _Goblin | furnace: 10 years ago if I had said to you a social networking site that only let you post 140 chars would become massive, would you have believed me? | Mar 02 00:19 |
| _Goblin | I think whatever the future holds, the most likely distro to unseat MS would be Ubuntu. | Mar 02 00:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: well, okay, it seems outlandish, but if Canonical can single handedly fell MS without becoming the monster, then great | Mar 02 00:19 |
| bruce89 | that's what worries me to an extent | Mar 02 00:20 |
| _Goblin | furnaceboy: if they help diversify the IT and OS world, then whatever happens it will be good. Choice is the important thing here. | Mar 02 00:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes | Mar 02 00:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | totally | Mar 02 00:20 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: FurnaceBoy http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010030101435OSCYRH | Mar 02 00:20 |
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| bruce89 | replacing one monopoly with another is surely pointles | Mar 02 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | bruce89, Imagine a world where people paid $30 a plate for Hormel chili out of the microwave, and they gave their dog the steak dinner that was only $5 | Mar 02 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | that's where MP3 has gotten us | Mar 02 00:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | bruce89: of course. but MS was designed as organised crime. Linux wasn't. | Mar 02 00:21 |
| bruce89 | well, I didn't mean it like that | Mar 02 00:21 |
| _Goblin | but we could sit and worry about all the possibilities....what if MS takes over the world, what if Canonical does.....at the end of the day lets judge companies on the actions they do, not the actions which we think we can predict. | Mar 02 00:21 |
| bruce89 | but in order to get mass appeal, surely they'd need to ditch the "nice" bits | Mar 02 00:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | bruce89: Canonical might prove unhelpfully self interested, but then the community will route around the damage (i hope ;-) | Mar 02 00:22 |
| bruce89 | sebsebseb: mine would be "Doesn't annoy me" | Mar 02 00:22 |
| bruce89 | I for one didn't think that Canonical would do the sort of things it has done | Mar 02 00:23 |
| bruce89 | I realise however what they're up to, but it's just not for me | Mar 02 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin, Microsoft never intends to sue, and frankly if companies believe them and pay them their money, that's their stupid fault :) | Mar 02 00:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: hmmmmmmmmmmmm | Mar 02 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | if they sue and lose, they'll be humiliated, if companies buy the bluff and pay up they get money and keep it real quiet-like | Mar 02 00:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: that kind of mindless tolerance of evil is what got us into the mess | Mar 02 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, If they didn't take gratuitous risks in shipping the things most likely to actually infringe, they wouldn't get sued | Mar 02 00:24 |
| bruce89 | sebsebseb: #eu redirects to #easyubuntu | Mar 02 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | Does Amazon use Mono in their products? | Mar 02 00:24 |
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| bruce89 | it'd be a very odd 77mm polariser I just bought from them if they did | Mar 02 00:25 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202444734702 | Mar 02 00:25 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: server down | Mar 02 00:26 |
| tessier | ok. I'm going to update dns to take the proxy out of the loop which is where the problem is. At least until things get resolved permanently. | Mar 02 00:26 |
| schestowitz | Thanks | Mar 02 00:26 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: Your slogan could be this "Fedora a distro that doesn't annoy people, like Ubuntu does" | Mar 02 00:26 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89 the Ex Ubuntu user | Mar 02 00:27 |
| sebsebseb | Former Ubuntu user | Mar 02 00:27 |
| bruce89 | needs to be 3 words or less | Mar 02 00:28 |
| bruce89 | "For the disillusioned" | Mar 02 00:28 |
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| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: boa noite | Mar 02 00:30 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: boa noite! tudo bem? | Mar 02 00:30 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC, what I see is this if Canonical or any companies intends on building a product base which has ties with say Mono, it will have had people far better educated looking at it. If thats the case then the option to unplug should MS get "funny" I think would be there. Remember that whatever the future of Gnome/Mono et al, it hasn't hampered the development of other DE's....other DE's which are just as capable as Gnome to t | Mar 02 00:30 |
| _Goblin | ake over the mantle should MS return to form.. | Mar 02 00:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | return to form??? | Mar 02 00:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | they changed? when? how? | Mar 02 00:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | ...and why? | Mar 02 00:31 |
| _Goblin | well they are always "friends" until the next episode. | Mar 02 00:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | *you're* the guy who was complaining about the OEM thing. | Mar 02 00:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | (with which i agree) | Mar 02 00:31 |
| _Goblin | yes and I still do....its about choice. | Mar 02 00:31 |
| _Goblin | if a distro chooses to offer a Mono dependent product, then so be it. | Mar 02 00:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | Mono isn't about choice. | Mar 02 00:32 |
| _Goblin | if it doesn't, thats fine too. | Mar 02 00:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | MS isn't about choice. they are totalitarian. that's the problem. | Mar 02 00:32 |
| cubezzz | I choose Amiga, but they died | Mar 02 00:32 |
| _Goblin | Very true. MS doesn't want you going elsewhere. | Mar 02 00:32 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: _Goblin schestowitz http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/2010030100435NWNT | Mar 02 00:32 |
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| _Goblin | but then the same could be said about any firm. | Mar 02 00:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | they want 100%. it's the fundamental insanity of Gates manifest in MS. | Mar 02 00:33 |
| cubezzz | meh | Mar 02 00:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | no wonder strong alternatives have always been maintained | Mar 02 00:33 |
| _Goblin | would Canonical want me to drop Ubuntu and go with Mac? | Mar 02 00:33 |
| _Goblin | I wouldn't think so. | Mar 02 00:33 |
| _Goblin | its the actions of any involved party that should be looked at IF and WHEN happen. | Mar 02 00:33 |
| cubezzz | GNU/Linux is beyond any single distro | Mar 02 00:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | all i know, is that when the community stops working on alternatives, MS will roll in like Panzers | Mar 02 00:33 |
| cubezzz | it's bigger than that | Mar 02 00:34 |
| cubezzz | anyone can make their own distro | Mar 02 00:34 |
| _Goblin | but then by its nature Linux/FOSS encourages individuality and diversity....whatever that is. | Mar 02 00:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: yes | Mar 02 00:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: it's the perfect antidote. but it's an ongoing war | Mar 02 00:34 |
| _Goblin | very true....but as end users we make the choices we feel best. As long as we are free to do that then theres not a problem. | Mar 02 00:35 |
| cubezzz | we do have choices | Mar 02 00:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | MS would remove choice. forget that at our peril. | Mar 02 00:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's what makes this a war | Mar 02 00:35 |
| bruce89 | that's it, yes, it's war | Mar 02 00:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | they want to be the tollgate for ALL computing. Mobile through HPC (haha). | Mar 02 00:35 |
| _Goblin | and we shouldn't....but is the MS "do it our way" any different from what any company would want? | Mar 02 00:35 |
| MinceR | crApple does the same thing | Mar 02 00:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: does that even matter? we have 1,000,000 pages of court testimony that shows their true colours. | Mar 02 00:36 |
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| MinceR | but afaict IBM and Red Hat don't, for example | Mar 02 00:36 |
| cubezzz | we can choice which companies we support | Mar 02 00:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Mar 02 00:36 |
| _Goblin | MS is so large and powerful that its in a far better position to stiffle such choice, but as I say thats why we challenge that behaviour.....that challenging though should be based on actual actions not predictions of what we think may happen. | Mar 02 00:36 |
| cubezzz | choose :) | Mar 02 00:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: not predictions! | Mar 02 00:37 |
| MinceR | and even if all companies were like that, based on the evidence it would be possible to punish m$ and make an example of them | Mar 02 00:37 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/2010030100235OSEM | Mar 02 00:37 |
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| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: millions of pages of evidence and testimony | Mar 02 00:37 |
| MinceR | and if the others don't change, we could proceed to the next | Mar 02 00:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: MS is hung by the words of Gates and hundreds of their own people. | Mar 02 00:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: just that the hangman lost his nerve | Mar 02 00:37 |
| _Goblin | FurnaceBoy, yes and those "actual" actions are challenged. | Mar 02 00:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: at least twice | Mar 02 00:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: challenged? the testimony and evidence? | Mar 02 00:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: that's what I take as my primary sources. what they did and wrote. | Mar 02 00:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | and said in court. | Mar 02 00:37 |
| _Goblin | sorry you miss understand... | Mar 02 00:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | and it's disgusting | Mar 02 00:38 |
| _Goblin | by challenge I mean take to task on the evidence we have seen. | Mar 02 00:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | ah | Mar 02 00:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | well yes | Mar 02 00:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | but who will step up? | Mar 02 00:38 |
| _Goblin | eg challenging MS over plurk. | Mar 02 00:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | MS is emboldened by facing down the DoJ and EU and walking off with a yellow card. | Mar 02 00:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | i wonder if that;s why things are so ugly this year so far | Mar 02 00:39 |
| _Goblin | who needs to? The end-user has the "power" we simply continue to highlight our experiences to those that don't know...continue to honestly and truthfully promote that which we know is better than an MS offering.... | Mar 02 00:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Mar 02 00:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | i agree | Mar 02 00:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's what i meant by "bottom up" earlier. | Mar 02 00:39 |
| _Goblin | the public in the main are far more savvy these days.... | Mar 02 00:39 |
| *FurnaceBoy hopes so | Mar 02 00:39 | |
| _Goblin | how many people bought into the Windows 7 party ads for example? | Mar 02 00:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | Vista was a bit of an eye opener. | Mar 02 00:39 |
| _Goblin | how many "average users" have a good word to say about MS? | Mar 02 00:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | which is why it's pathetic to see the "Vista was terrible, now I'm isntalling W7" and "IE{6,7,8} were terrible, but they say IE9 is better" | Mar 02 00:40 |
| _Goblin | how many people actually think Ballmer is a good figurehead for MS? | Mar 02 00:40 |
| _Goblin | I think he's great..... | Mar 02 00:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: "Microsoft is like the weather. Everyone complains, but nobody does anything about it." | Mar 02 00:40 |
| _Goblin | he makes highlighting alternatives so much easier. | Mar 02 00:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | the saddest thing is to hear people complain about Microsoft *who don't know* there are alternatives. | Mar 02 00:41 |
| _Goblin | FurnaceBoy, and probably through ignorance, thats where we and our experiences come in. | Mar 02 00:41 |
| cubezzz | I install GNU/Linux all the time, did another server today | Mar 02 00:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes | Mar 02 00:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: awesome :) | Mar 02 00:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: a soul saved! | Mar 02 00:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | ;-) | Mar 02 00:41 |
| _Goblin | I installed 38 Ubuntu deployments not by hardselling (I know nothing of that) merely letting it speak for itself and explaining my experiences over the years. | Mar 02 00:41 |
| cubezzz | just imagine a world without GNU/Linux | Mar 02 00:42 |
| _Goblin | thats more powerful than any MS ad. | Mar 02 00:42 |
| cubezzz | people are starting to get the message | Mar 02 00:42 |
| _Goblin | even with Village of the Damnedesque children saying "Im a PC" | Mar 02 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: Here it is! http://www.haiku-os.org/blog/stippi/2010-02-23_diving_webkit | Mar 02 00:42 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Diving into WebKit | Haiku Project .::. Size~: 80.37 KB | Mar 02 00:42 |
| bruce89 | I have no idea as to what Haiku's for and no interest in it | Mar 02 00:43 |
| schestowitz | tessier: it's down again | Mar 02 00:43 |
| cubezzz | it's BeOS reborn | Mar 02 00:43 |
| tessier | Yep | Mar 02 00:43 |
| _Goblin | one thing about Ubuntu.....it really needs to sort out its default colour scheme....the single biggest problem I have with Bling addicted Windows users is the colour scheme of a default Ubuntu. | Mar 02 00:44 |
| bruce89 | not knowing what that is either | Mar 02 00:44 |
| tessier | DNS should be propagated soon... | Mar 02 00:44 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: hrm did I actsaully go on that link before, I went to the Linux Today thing yep | Mar 02 00:44 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: haiku is beos like OS that someone else you chat to on IRC likes a lot | Mar 02 00:44 |
| sebsebseb | not me | Mar 02 00:44 |
| sebsebseb | that b guy | Mar 02 00:44 |
| bruce89 | I know | Mar 02 00:44 |
| bruce89 | only thing I know about BeOS is G_OS_BEOS | Mar 02 00:45 |
| _Goblin | Microsoft realized early on that you can cover up bad code with a little tinsel.....Ubuntu needs to present a colour scheme and default theme that appeals visually.. IMO. | Mar 02 00:45 |
| tessier | When it hits a bad drive it should just throw it out of the RAID, not hang up everything. Not sure why md isn't acting a little faster. | Mar 02 00:45 |
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| sebsebseb | _Goblin: that's changing | Mar 02 00:45 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: it's going to be light grey or something like that | Mar 02 00:45 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: soon we will know, since 4th March is the user interface freeze | Mar 02 00:46 |
| bruce89 | sebsebseb: have you seen the GNOME 3.0 theme mockup? | Mar 02 00:46 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: just stopped by for few minutes. gotta tons of work to do. night | Mar 02 00:46 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb, shame is, when you have an OS like Ubuntu, you shouldn't need tinsel...its a damn fine system...unfortunately our Windows victims have been brought up on the ethos "If it looks pretty, it must be good" | Mar 02 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: maybe | Mar 02 00:46 |
| cubezzz | but Windows doesn't look pretty | Mar 02 00:47 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: true Gnome does not look exactly pretty compared to Vista or Windows 7 | Mar 02 00:47 |
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| bruce89 | I don't think that's the main intention | Mar 02 00:47 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: Even XP looks more pretty | Mar 02 00:47 |
| cubezzz | XP looked cartoonish | Mar 02 00:47 |
| bruce89 | depends on your definition of pretty | Mar 02 00:47 |
| cubezzz | closed source is _never_ appealing | Mar 02 00:48 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: (I think I went to that acstaul Linux today page before for the webkit thing, I think the link was showing in colour of I been on) | Mar 02 00:48 |
| Atlas2070 | bah Gnome is stale | Mar 02 00:48 |
| Atlas2070 | KDE ftw | Mar 02 00:48 |
| _Goblin | and its a shame some think like that....but I feel if Ubuntu is wanting an easier acceptance road, it will have to make changes visually....and at the end of the day, we are not talking big changes....a colour default backdrop....some flashy icons, quite simple really. | Mar 02 00:48 |
| sebsebseb | heh heh in a way, at junk stuff in brackets on here | Mar 02 00:48 |
| bruce89 | _Goblin: gnome-icon-theme is being redone it appears | Mar 02 00:49 |
| _Goblin | personally Ive never kept a default theme anyway.... | Mar 02 00:49 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: I have | Mar 02 00:49 |
| sebsebseb | altough I tend to change default theme eventaully, and then back again | Mar 02 00:49 |
| bruce89 | aside from replacing the background with something of my own creation, I keep it | Mar 02 00:49 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: also it's a good idea to stay with default themes it seems | Mar 02 00:49 |
| _Goblin | I think changing things makes me feel more important.... | Mar 02 00:50 |
| bruce89 | http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/lh/photo/7F94mW_P4X4ELoVycKms0w?feat=directlink | Mar 02 00:50 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin and stuff like that | Mar 02 00:50 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Picasa Web Albums: free photo sharing from Google .::. Size~: 16.72 KB | Mar 02 00:50 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: I mean don't add to the distro from sites such sites as gnome look, which had what was meant to be a screensaver not that long ago for Ubuntu, and turned out to be some sort of malicious program | Mar 02 00:50 |
| Atlas2070 | I stay pretty close to default too | Mar 02 00:50 |
| _Goblin | my Ubuntu 9.10 deployment on one of my rigs: http://www.twitpic.com/uq3o9 | Mar 02 00:51 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Chromium bug 31038 - window resizes on its own. on Twitpic .::. Size~: 7.76 KB | Mar 02 00:51 |
| sebsebseb | Mandriva comes with rather nice default themes, that's one reason I put it on here | Mar 02 00:51 |
| *bruce89 should stick my backgrounds somewhere | Mar 02 00:51 | |
| Atlas2070 | here are some of my screenshots | Mar 02 00:51 |
| Atlas2070 | http://www.pwnage.ca/?q=node/16 | Mar 02 00:51 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: KDE 4.4 Final in Fedora 12 | www.pwnage.ca .::. Size~: 7.87 KB | Mar 02 00:51 |
| _Goblin | and http://www.twitpic.com/px2st | Mar 02 00:51 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Shot from Karmic (9.10) its Gnome loveliness... on Twitpic .::. Size~: 7.77 KB | Mar 02 00:51 |
| cubezzz | very nice Atlas2070 | Mar 02 00:52 |
| cubezzz | why the nick change btw? | Mar 02 00:52 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: nick change? who are they? | Mar 02 00:52 |
| _Goblin | One of my true Linux loves (Wolvix): http://www.twitpic.com/a6bhq | Mar 02 00:52 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: I think I'm just about done tweaking Wolvix. Very happy, gre... on Twitpic .::. Size~: 7.87 KB | Mar 02 00:52 |
| sebsebseb | oh it's ender | Mar 02 00:52 |
| Atlas2070 | ender is being used at my home | Mar 02 00:52 |
| Atlas2070 | LOL | Mar 02 00:52 |
| Atlas2070 | i thought the 2070 gave it away | Mar 02 00:52 |
| sebsebseb | host name stuff and such says ender | Mar 02 00:52 |
| _Goblin | and finally....how can I not use this as an opportunity to show off this cheeky chappie: http://www.twitpic.com/l4q5a | Mar 02 00:53 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: My son in high spirits after removing MONO from his favorite ... on Twitpic .::. Size~: 8.47 KB | Mar 02 00:53 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: Mandriva :) | Mar 02 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1MuT_KSOo4&feature=related | Mar 02 00:53 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: YouTube- Bill Hicks - UFOs .::. Size~: 112.24 KB | Mar 02 00:53 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: for eye candy this latest version | Mar 02 00:53 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: of course it coudl be even better, but it's way better than Ubuntu 9.10 | Mar 02 00:53 |
| _Goblin | Mandriva? Ive never had a good experience with it. | Mar 02 00:54 |
| _Goblin | I won't ever try it again. | Mar 02 00:54 |
| Atlas2070 | I use Fedora | Mar 02 00:54 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz likes Mandriva and quite a lot of other people | Mar 02 00:54 |
| bruce89 | http://backgrounds.bcowan.fastmail.co.uk/ | Mar 02 00:54 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Mar 02 00:54 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz got his brother using it earlier or something liket hat | Mar 02 00:54 |
| Atlas2070 | they are more freedom loving | Mar 02 00:54 |
| _Goblin | Fedora 12 is on one of my rigs (with a nice theme I think) : http://www.twitpic.com/zljf6 | Mar 02 00:54 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: My Fedora 12 rig, customized to my specs.. #linux #foss #fedora on Twitpic .::. Size~: 7.84 KB | Mar 02 00:54 |
| Atlas2070 | quite nice - for gnome | Mar 02 00:55 |
| cubezzz | heh, a bit like a bubble chamber | Mar 02 00:55 |
| cubezzz | that other computer is gross :) | Mar 02 00:56 |
| Atlas2070 | my fedora article is out of date now though | Mar 02 00:56 |
| Atlas2070 | kde 4.4 is in f12 stable | Mar 02 00:56 |
| _Goblin | BTW - Very good site for backdrops here: http://www.socwall.com/ | Mar 02 00:56 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Desktop wallpaper | Social Wallpapering .::. Size~: 28.48 KB | Mar 02 00:56 |
| cubezzz | bah, you don't know what out-of-date is :) | Mar 02 00:57 |
| _Goblin | Right, what to do.....should I play Smackdown v Raw 2010 or start tackling 4 complete series of Battlestar Galactica. | Mar 02 00:57 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: or chat in here, for even longer | Mar 02 00:58 |
| Atlas2070 | _Goblin - i have 2009 | Mar 02 00:58 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: or go to bed | Mar 02 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_69yvFZH9U&NR=1 | Mar 02 00:58 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: YouTube- Bill Hicks - Satan In Music .::. Size~: 111.64 KB | Mar 02 00:58 |
| bruce89 | good grief, is Gtk# really only 2.12? | Mar 02 00:58 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb, go to bed is not an option....Im on teething duty for a couple of hours. | Mar 02 00:59 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: teething duty? teething sounds familur, but remind me what that is | Mar 02 00:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | Atlas2070: how come you're allowed to use 2 nicks and I'm not, without being flamed for attempting some stunt? | Mar 02 00:59 |
| _Goblin | lad is teething, wakes up wants a cuddle......letting my wife have a full nights sleep. | Mar 02 00:59 |
| tessier | 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x002e 199 199 000 Old_age Always - 53 | Mar 02 00:59 |
| tessier | sdc is very ill | Mar 02 00:59 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: yeah getting teeth | Mar 02 01:00 |
| _Goblin | he likes the Happy Monster Band website, so he can have a look at that if he wakes. | Mar 02 01:00 |
| Atlas2070 | FurnaceBoy - i cant use ender, my pc at home is still online | Mar 02 01:00 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: whatever that is | Mar 02 01:00 |
| bruce89 | they're calicum things used for breaking up food | Mar 02 01:01 |
| _Goblin | if you don't know, its best, believe me. | Mar 02 01:01 |
| tessier | Fortunately I have spare drives ready to go. Will replace it tonight. | Mar 02 01:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | Atlas2070: right, doesn't matter to me. just I was accused of funny business when I came in here on a different nick due to name clash/reconnection | Mar 02 01:01 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: I got a little brother who's 8 now, and he used to love Cbeebies when he was a bit younger | Mar 02 01:01 |
| _Goblin | like Rory the racing car.... | Mar 02 01:01 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: now if I put Cbeebies on the TV, he won't like it at all :d | Mar 02 01:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | Atlas2070: you seem to have escaped that :) | Mar 02 01:01 |
| Atlas2070 | FurnaceBoy - i dunno, im not hiding my identity or anyhting | Mar 02 01:01 |
| _Goblin | I get this hundreds of times a day.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ryb9Xs94WDM | Mar 02 01:02 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: YouTube- Roary The Racing Car Theme .::. Size~: 117.72 KB | Mar 02 01:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | Atlas2070: nor was I... | Mar 02 01:03 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: he has also been using Ubuntu since he was like 4 or 5 so :) | Mar 02 01:03 |
| Atlas2070 | FurnaceBoy - who flamed you | Mar 02 01:03 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb, excellent! | Mar 02 01:03 |
| cubezzz | it was the magic round-about in my day :) | Mar 02 01:04 |
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| _Goblin | Mr Ben for me. | Mar 02 01:04 |
| _Goblin | I didn't quite get the roundabout. | Mar 02 01:04 |
| Atlas2070 | tessier - that happened to me once on my fileserver but it was running raid-z | Mar 02 01:04 |
| cubezzz | 1964 and 1971 :) | Mar 02 01:05 |
| tessier | Atlas2070: We're mirrored so there shouldn't be any data loss. But I'm puzzled as to why md didn't bump this out out the array sooner. | Mar 02 01:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | zfs turns that 'shouldn't' into a 'wasn't' ;-) | Mar 02 01:05 |
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| sebsebseb | _Goblin: he never used any of the educational software from the repo properly though, which in a way is a bit of ashame | Mar 02 01:06 |
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| sebsebseb | _Goblin: shame the repo can't properly compete against propritary games though | Mar 02 01:06 |
| Atlas2070 | :) | Mar 02 01:06 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb, Im going to start looking more into that, but at the moment its all Disney channel stuff.... | Mar 02 01:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | tessier: i've never had much faith in the error reporting stack, starting with crappy drive firmware... :/ | Mar 02 01:06 |
| tessier | FurnaceBoy: Odd thing is it does report errors. | Mar 02 01:06 |
| DaemonFC | "Satan, destroyer of needles, ruiner of stereos! I am Satan and I have come to destroy High Fidelity music, and you will ALL listen to 8-track!!!" | Mar 02 01:07 |
| DaemonFC | Best line ever! | Mar 02 01:07 |
| cubezzz | surely 8 track was before your time DaemonFC | Mar 02 01:07 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: got Disney Cinemagic as well? | Mar 02 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, they stopped selling them about a year before I was born | Mar 02 01:08 |
| tessier | Ah. And I see that it has kicked the failed disk out of some mirrors but not all. | Mar 02 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | I have used them though | Mar 02 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | curiosity | Mar 02 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | I also have an RCA Select-O-Vision | Mar 02 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | nyaaaaahhh!!!! | Mar 02 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | fear! | Mar 02 01:09 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb, the channel? | Mar 02 01:09 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: I used to love getting the Disney Channel for free, for a while, as a child. whenever it was we had it, but then my Dad stopped paying for it. | Mar 02 01:09 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: yes there's a channel | Mar 02 01:09 |
| cubezzz | funny stuff: | Mar 02 01:09 |
| cubezzz | http://www.timeidol.com/women-stay-single/ | Mar 02 01:09 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Why Women Stay Single | Time Idol - Funny Animals, Funny News, Animals News .::. Size~: 36.61 KB | Mar 02 01:09 |
| _Goblin | I would expect so, we have a full sky package.... | Mar 02 01:09 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: now days Disney Channel itself is quite sucky really, since the movies are on the Cinemagic channel, which is paid more for | Mar 02 01:09 |
| _Goblin | I think its 611 the kids seem to watch most. | Mar 02 01:09 |
| _Goblin | whatever that is. | Mar 02 01:09 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: well on cable, it's availalbe, but for £5 a month or something | Mar 02 01:10 |
| bruce89 | getting something for free when you are paying for it sounds confusing | Mar 02 01:10 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: you read wrong? | Mar 02 01:10 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: at one stage my Dad was paying for Disney channel, then that stopped. however sometimes it would be free, for say a weekend | Mar 02 01:10 |
| bruce89 | well, you said it was free, then you stopped paying | Mar 02 01:10 |
| bruce89 | doesn't matter anyway | Mar 02 01:10 |
| _Goblin | I don't know why we bother with the movie channels...never really watch movies.. | Mar 02 01:10 |
| _Goblin | too lazy to cancel it probably. | Mar 02 01:11 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: who's paying for it? you? wife? | Mar 02 01:11 |
| _Goblin | yeah...both | Mar 02 01:11 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: we could have proper movie channels, Sky Movies, but that costs more, so nope | Mar 02 01:11 |
| _Goblin | I had a WOW subscription for a year I forgot to cancel....same with AOL even when I moved providers. | Mar 02 01:11 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: maybe when I live on my own, or with my own family, i'll have those kind of channels, untill then, nope | Mar 02 01:12 |
| cubezzz | I have antenna :) | Mar 02 01:12 |
| cubezzz | costs zero per month | Mar 02 01:12 |
| bruce89 | well, ours cost -£5 per month | Mar 02 01:12 |
| _Goblin | if it can get the wrestling I'd settle quite happily for it. | Mar 02 01:12 |
| bruce89 | and the TV channel bosses clean our driveway every month | Mar 02 01:13 |
| cubezzz | heh, excellent deal bruce89 | Mar 02 01:13 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: Paying for stuff your not using anymore, well that's not much good. | Mar 02 01:13 |
| bruce89 | that was my Monty Python routine | Mar 02 01:13 |
| _Goblin | I know.....its just Ive other things to do that distract. | Mar 02 01:13 |
| sebsebseb | anyway TV pft | Mar 02 01:13 |
| sebsebseb | adverts that I don't like | Mar 02 01:14 |
| sebsebseb | when it comes to computers | Mar 02 01:14 |
| Atlas2070 | cubezzz - tron guy is the best | Mar 02 01:14 |
| sebsebseb | aimed at people who don't know computers well | Mar 02 01:14 |
| cubezzz | lol | Mar 02 01:14 |
| bruce89 | that's kind of the point of advertising | Mar 02 01:14 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: maybe you missed me saying earlier, but I saw an Internet Explorer 8 advert earlier, on Sky One :( then it was like some other advert, and that kind of advert again | Mar 02 01:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | uck | Mar 02 01:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | what is there to say about IE8? | Mar 02 01:14 |
| cubezzz | "it sucks" ? | Mar 02 01:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | "um, this is the browser you get, you know, with your pc..." | Mar 02 01:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | "hope you like it. it's the best we could do. love, Microsoft" | Mar 02 01:15 |
| bruce89 | DON'T MOVE ON, OR | Mar 02 01:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | "actually scratch that. we don't care if you like it. suck it up." | Mar 02 01:15 |
| bruce89 | something might happen | Mar 02 01:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | bruce89: Yes!! :) | Mar 02 01:15 |
| sebsebseb | Internet Explorer 7 the best browser we ever made! That's Mozilla's internal joke | Mar 02 01:15 |
| bruce89 | the EU will FORCE YOU | Mar 02 01:15 |
| cubezzz | also "F U spyglass" ;-) | Mar 02 01:15 |
| bruce89 | oops | Mar 02 01:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | bruce89: SOCIALISM AIAIIIAIERIIRAIIARIARIA call the church police | Mar 02 01:16 |
| sebsebseb | there wasn't going to be an IE 7 for XP originalley, but then I guess Firefox started gaining market share and quite a bit of it, so Micrsooft feel slightly thretended and yep IE 7 for XP | Mar 02 01:16 |
| schestowitz | [01:01] <tessier> Fortunately I have spare drives ready to go. Will replace it tonight. | Mar 02 01:16 |
| bruce89 | POLICE?! you can't trust them! | Mar 02 01:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | bruce89: this is the Church Police! | Mar 02 01:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | bruce89: oh, i forget, you're not so into Monty Python... | Mar 02 01:16 |
| schestowitz | I assume data integrity is OK (RAID or whatever). if not, maybe I can do something to help? | Mar 02 01:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: RAID != integrity ;-) | Mar 02 01:16 |
| bruce89 | FurnaceBoy: before my time | Mar 02 01:17 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb, ill have to look out for it. | Mar 02 01:17 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: Mozlla's joke you mean? | Mar 02 01:17 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb, the advert. | Mar 02 01:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | bruce89: rubbish! the material still exists! it's still cool! | Mar 02 01:18 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: It was on when the Simpsons was on | Mar 02 01:18 |
| bruce89 | I know, I've got a (VHS) box | Mar 02 01:18 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: well the brake the simpsons had | Mar 02 01:18 |
| bruce89 | will watch them some day | Mar 02 01:18 |
| *sebsebseb hates all computer adverts, he see's these days | Mar 02 01:18 | |
| tessier | schestowitz: Actually, boycottnovell isn't even on his array. It's on a different one. But the machine running the proxy is and that is what was getting hung up. | Mar 02 01:18 |
| *sebsebseb hates or strongly dislikes that is | Mar 02 01:19 | |
| sebsebseb | and I am on about TV adverts | Mar 02 01:19 |
| bruce89 | you're allowed to say hate | Mar 02 01:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | bruce89: NooooooooooooOO! that's HATE SPEECH! | Mar 02 01:19 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: true, but I am not sure if I really hate the adverts | Mar 02 01:19 |
| sebsebseb | maybe it's just dislike | Mar 02 01:19 |
| bruce89 | I just put them off | Mar 02 01:19 |
| sebsebseb | sometimes those adverts are sort of funny or interesting in a way after all | Mar 02 01:19 |
| bruce89 | the sound that is | Mar 02 01:19 |
| schestowitz | tessier: ahh... so we found the problem and we're not hurt by it. That's good news then :-D | Mar 02 01:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: measured language ftw | Mar 02 01:19 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: measured language??? | Mar 02 01:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | bruce89: right | Mar 02 01:20 |
| tessier | schestowitz: Indeed. | Mar 02 01:20 |
| bruce89 | the sign of a good advert is one that doesn't make me put the sound off | Mar 02 01:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: on IRC???????? | Mar 02 01:20 |
| schestowitz | gn | Mar 02 01:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: n8 | Mar 02 01:20 |
| bruce89 | niigh | Mar 02 01:20 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: ok gn | Mar 02 01:20 |
| tessier | goodnight | Mar 02 01:20 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: what do you mean measured language? | Mar 02 01:20 |
| bruce89 | that it's 2.5cm wide? | Mar 02 01:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | measured - [adjective] ('meh zhErd) 1. restrained; deliberate. 2. slow and dignified. 3. determined by │ | Mar 02 01:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | the act of measuring. | Mar 02 01:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | sense (1) basically | Mar 02 01:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | "restrained; deliberate" language | Mar 02 01:21 |
| cubezzz | http://www.breakitdownblog.com/atm-card-skimmers-hidden-in-plain-sight-and-hard-to-spot/ | Mar 02 01:21 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: ATM Card Skimmers Hidden in Plain Sight and Hard to Spot | Break it Down Blog .::. Size~: 59.7 KB | Mar 02 01:21 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: restrained delberate? what? I put nearly whatever I want in here. | Mar 02 01:22 |
| sebsebseb | or I put whatever I want in here | Mar 02 01:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: yes. of course irc is not known for restrained or deliberate language. | Mar 02 01:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: carry on | Mar 02 01:23 |
| bruce89 | http://identi.ca/notice/23461536 | Mar 02 01:23 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: I don't understand what you mean by that though, restrained or deliberate language? | Mar 02 01:23 |
| _Goblin | Ive decided......Katee Sachoff is going to be my second wife.... | Mar 02 01:23 |
| bruce89 | I'll give an example of non-deliberate language if you want | Mar 02 01:23 |
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| sebsebseb | bruce89: ok | Mar 02 01:24 |
| sebsebseb | I've decided that bruce89 is going to be my wife! | Mar 02 01:24 |
| bruce89 | I hate everything, and even more so, people who hate the fact I hate things | Mar 02 01:24 |
| _Goblin | sorry, he;s my third.... | Mar 02 01:24 |
| *FurnaceBoy hugs bruce89 | Mar 02 01:24 | |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: based on what, bsg? | Mar 02 01:24 |
| _Goblin | yep | Mar 02 01:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: she's in something else lately, "24" (which crap i'd never watch myself) | Mar 02 01:25 |
| _Goblin | and fourth will be Sarah Palin | Mar 02 01:25 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: oh you don't like 24 | Mar 02 01:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | Heather Havrilesky wrote a review lauding sackhoff | Mar 02 01:25 |
| sebsebseb | 24 is awesome! | Mar 02 01:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: "restrained" and "deliberate" are certainly ways of using language. for example, by one who thinks before he speaks -- which is, of course, rarely observed on irc. | Mar 02 01:26 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: who is this Katee Sachoff anyway? yes I don't tend to care which actor or actress is whom, when it comes to films and such | Mar 02 01:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: 1st obstacle, no cable | Mar 02 01:26 |
| bruce89 | as evidenced by me | Mar 02 01:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: _Goblin intends to marry her. Starbuck in BSG, and somebody in "24". | Mar 02 01:26 |
| sebsebseb | what's BSG? | Mar 02 01:26 |
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| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: Battlestar Galactica remake | Mar 02 01:27 |
| *bruce89 realises what it is | Mar 02 01:27 | |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: I haven't always thought about what I put on IRC | Mar 02 01:27 |
| _Goblin | http://thefaust.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/katee_sackhoff.jpg | Mar 02 01:27 |
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| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: you're in good company then. | Mar 02 01:27 |
| bruce89 | I said something rather embarassing thing | Mar 02 01:27 |
| bruce89 | like that for instance | Mar 02 01:27 |
| bruce89 | what the hell am I on about | Mar 02 01:28 |
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| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: I guess a lot of people don't, hence how for example those Ubuntu ops are quite busy being ops | Mar 02 01:28 |
| bruce89 | fish inside apple bit WebKit Scotland | Mar 02 01:29 |
| _Goblin | Ah....Scotland....the memories. | Mar 02 01:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: it's a magnet for the poorly socialised | Mar 02 01:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: it sometimes seems | Mar 02 01:29 |
| bruce89 | sounds about right | Mar 02 01:30 |
| sebsebseb | yep sounds correct | Mar 02 01:30 |
| sebsebseb | those of us who lack a proper social life and so on | Mar 02 01:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | bruce89: present company excluded! | Mar 02 01:30 |
| bruce89 | 'fraid not | Mar 02 01:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | bruce89: you're a fine upright gentleman compared to some of the monsters on irc | Mar 02 01:30 |
| bruce89 | just you wait | Mar 02 01:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | bruce89: amateur! | Mar 02 01:30 |
| bruce89 | professional! | Mar 02 01:31 |
| *FurnaceBoy braces for a stream of Welsh invective | Mar 02 01:31 | |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: bruce89 isn't welsh ianto is though | Mar 02 01:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | hm. | Mar 02 01:31 |
| bruce89 | can you tell the difference between Welsh and random characters? | Mar 02 01:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | he talks about Welsh though. | Mar 02 01:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | bruce89: i dunno, but google translate can! | Mar 02 01:31 |
| bruce89 | ah | Mar 02 01:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | "It looks like you are typing gibberish, Are you Welsh?" | Mar 02 01:32 |
| bruce89 | Peidiwch â dweud Ianto, ond ni ddylai Cymru wedi curo Alban. Hefyd, dwi ddim yn gwybod Gaelic | Mar 02 01:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | i said that to your mom, just last night | Mar 02 01:33 |
| *bruce89 can't think of a retort, damn | Mar 02 01:33 | |
| _Goblin | I can't think of one for you either.... | Mar 02 01:35 |
| bruce89 | och well, I'll get back to you | Mar 02 01:35 |
| _Goblin | it would help, if I knew what it means..... | Mar 02 01:35 |
| bruce89 | the neuter pronoun of the third personn | Mar 02 01:36 |
| *FurnaceBoy is just glad he has Unicode, so unintelligible Welsh is at least properly rendered. | Mar 02 01:36 | |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: FurnaceBoy I wasn't sure from the picture | Mar 02 01:37 |
| sebsebseb | so I did some Googleing | Mar 02 01:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: you never saw BSG? | Mar 02 01:37 |
| _Goblin | right, im off.....that Katee Sachoff lady keeps phoning me up and hassling me to marry her........Ive decided to make a start on BSG.... | Mar 02 01:37 |
| sebsebseb | I thought it was the one doing Dana Walsh | Mar 02 01:37 |
| _Goblin | Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast. | Mar 02 01:37 |
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| sebsebseb | I like that charater | Mar 02 01:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: i hate to say this, but i thought she was hottest in the scenes where she was wearing a dress and playing the hausfrau | Mar 02 01:38 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: to late he is gone | Mar 02 01:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | oop | Mar 02 01:38 |
| bruce89 | s | Mar 02 01:38 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: anyway 24 is a great show | Mar 02 01:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | bruce89: no, object-oriented programming. | Mar 02 01:38 |
| bruce89 | sebsebseb: incidentally, it's any more, not anymore | Mar 02 01:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: you can have it | Mar 02 01:38 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: rather American I guess, but still a great show | Mar 02 01:38 |
| bruce89 | FurnaceBoy: yikes, I just got that | Mar 02 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | hah. "I knew Clinton was a failure when he lobbed 22 cruise missiles at Iraq and killed 6 innocent people over the 'alleged' Iraqi assassination attempt of George (H.W.) Bush. What we should have done was embarrass the Iraqis by assassinating Bush ourselves and saying 'Hey look towelhead, that's how it's done, now leave us the fuck alone!!!' and there would have been no loss of innocent life" | Mar 02 01:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: American in theme, execution... they love their pointless violence. especially that which normalises a state of terror | Mar 02 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | Bill Hicks | Mar 02 01:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: not my scene | Mar 02 01:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: i'd pay to see him bludgeoned to death with shoes. | Mar 02 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | well, Hicks was talking about the first Bush | Mar 02 01:40 |
| DaemonFC | but both of them, yeah | Mar 02 01:40 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: anything in defence for your countrey, from the above comment from FurnaceBoy ? | Mar 02 01:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: someone i follow on twitter lives 5 miles from him, they intend to build a shoe cannon | Mar 02 01:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: ah | Mar 02 01:40 |
| DaemonFC | Secret Service will catch on | Mar 02 01:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: yeah both will do -- left shoes for one, right shoes for the other -- | Mar 02 01:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: right, shoe cannons are very dangerous things | Mar 02 01:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: Nike Air | Mar 02 01:41 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: I guess you sterotype them a bit, but love them really :D | Mar 02 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | the Secret Service caught on to a couple of amateur skinheads that said they wanted to take out Obama | Mar 02 01:41 |
| jono_ | DaemonFC, towelhead? | Mar 02 01:41 |
| jono_ | really? | Mar 02 01:41 |
| *jono_ sighs | Mar 02 01:41 | |
| DaemonFC | I doubt they even were serious or could have pulled it off | Mar 02 01:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I'm not sure a shoe is lethal after a 5 mile trajectory | Mar 02 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | but you have to watch what you say | Mar 02 01:41 |
| bruce89 | they did for George Bush | Mar 02 01:41 |
| bruce89 | shoes that is | Mar 02 01:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | bruce89: shoes are his kryptonite | Mar 02 01:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | jono_: thankyou. | Mar 02 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | if I had a high powered assault rifle and wanted to cause some hell, I'd make that idiot in DC look like a joke | Mar 02 01:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: what was that about watching what you say?? | Mar 02 01:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I hate living in your mind. Keep your fantasies to yourself. | Mar 02 01:43 |
| bruce89 | hello, I am the police of some description | Mar 02 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | the government has us paranoid over amateurs who killed a handful of random people | Mar 02 01:43 |
| jono_ | I would argue that using racial slurs is a reason to pick someone up on something | Mar 02 01:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: gosh, really? americans paranoid? i don't believe it. | Mar 02 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | who weren't even well trained or using good tactics | Mar 02 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | jono_, Bill Hicks said it, I was quoting | Mar 02 01:44 |
| jono_ | right | Mar 02 01:44 |
| bruce89 | ah | Mar 02 01:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's pretty damn tasteless. | Mar 02 01:44 |
| bruce89 | almost tofu standard | Mar 02 01:44 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, It is tasteless to get people riled up over a "sniper" that can't do any better than the next guy | Mar 02 01:44 |
| DaemonFC | the government has Fox Noise do it all the time | Mar 02 01:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: not just fox | Mar 02 01:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: all your tv and film | Mar 02 01:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: if there's no sniper, they'll terrorise you over a 7/11 holdup three states away. "Cops" | Mar 02 01:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | pathetic | Mar 02 01:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | but effective | Mar 02 01:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | you're now scared of everything. | Mar 02 01:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | and controllable. | Mar 02 01:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | Iran! Iran! Iran! | Mar 02 01:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | <insert country here!> | Mar 02 01:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | Axis of Evil! Axis of Evil! | Mar 02 01:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | <insert target of convenience here!> | Mar 02 01:47 |
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| bruce89 | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Axis_of_evil&diff=323575914&oldid=322774906 | Mar 02 01:48 |
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| FurnaceBoy | furthermore, PAST events are used constantly as masturbatory material to keep the terror level high. Replay! Let's bask in the adrenalin rush! | Mar 02 01:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | when not showing real footage designed to excite, just make stuff up! Hurt Locker! | Mar 02 01:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | Brothers! | Mar 02 01:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | home of the brave! | Mar 02 01:49 |
| bruce89 | if anything happens, they can say "we told you so" | Mar 02 01:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | right. "You weren't SCARED enough!" | Mar 02 01:50 |
| bruce89 | as someone on MtW said, all that needed to be done by terrorists was to buy a couple of houses | Mar 02 01:51 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: what's MtW? | Mar 02 01:51 |
| bruce89 | on sub-prime mortguages | Mar 02 01:51 |
| bruce89 | Mock the Week | Mar 02 01:51 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: oh right that show, my older brother likes that | Mar 02 01:52 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: anyway that's UK only? | Mar 02 01:52 |
| bruce89 | well, it's British | Mar 02 01:52 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy probably hasn't seen it, I am thinking | Mar 02 01:52 |
| bruce89 | hence why I'm quoting it | Mar 02 01:52 |
| sebsebseb | or DaemonFC | Mar 02 01:52 |
| *bruce89 sighs | Mar 02 01:53 | |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: British TV pft when it comes to most of it | Mar 02 01:53 |
| bruce89 | that's rubbish | Mar 02 01:54 |
| sebsebseb | altough I don't get most comedy it seems, which is why I think most British TV sucks, with the exceptions of docmenteries, BBC Click, Panorama, the news sometimes, and stuff like that | Mar 02 01:54 |
| sebsebseb | uh above that was meant to be, which is probably one of the reasons for why I think most British TV sucks | Mar 02 01:55 |
| bruce89 | I must admit a lot of "modern" comedy is pish | Mar 02 01:55 |
| bruce89 | but I'd never say that British TV as a whole was crap | Mar 02 01:55 |
| sebsebseb | pish meaning? rubbish? | Mar 02 01:55 |
| Atlas2070 | “If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.” - Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, patron of the World Wildlife Fund | Mar 02 01:55 |
| bruce89 | literally, piss | Mar 02 01:55 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: well your proud to be Scottish/British I am not | Mar 02 01:56 |
| sebsebseb | also I am half English/British | Mar 02 01:56 |
| sebsebseb | and Swedish | Mar 02 01:56 |
| bruce89 | Atlas2070: oh dear, that's typically Philipian | Mar 02 01:56 |
| sebsebseb | I feel more like a European than a Brit | Mar 02 01:56 |
| sebsebseb | well Brits are also European | Mar 02 01:56 |
| bruce89 | I'm sort of half Zimbabwean | Mar 02 01:56 |
| sebsebseb | anyway mainland Europe :) the UK :( | Mar 02 01:56 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: altough when I am there on the main land for a while, I tend to want to come back :D | Mar 02 01:57 |
| bruce89 | anyway, Miranda was good | Mar 02 01:57 |
| sebsebseb | Miranda? | Mar 02 01:57 |
| bruce89 | as in the TV series | Mar 02 01:57 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: as for voting, it doesn't really matter who is voted for, things will be pretty much the same, either way | Mar 02 01:57 |
| bruce89 | it will be if you have that attitude | Mar 02 01:57 |
| Atlas2070 | “In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill.”- Club of Rome (UN Think Tank), The First Global Revolution | Mar 02 01:58 |
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| sebsebseb | bruce89: and certain things won't change any time soon | Mar 02 01:58 |
| bruce89 | such as? | Mar 02 01:58 |
| sebsebseb | for example modern day capiatlism and consumerism | Mar 02 01:58 |
| sebsebseb | retardernism :D | Mar 02 01:59 |
| Atlas2070 | ill be back on ender in like 30 minutes | Mar 02 01:59 |
| sebsebseb | ignoranceism :D | Mar 02 01:59 |
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| bruce89 | well, the credit crunch has kind of seen to them to an extent | Mar 02 01:59 |
| sebsebseb | lazynessism :D | Mar 02 01:59 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: credit crunch blah de blah | Mar 02 01:59 |
| sebsebseb | I meant we still pay for stuff | Mar 02 01:59 |
| sebsebseb | that won't chaneg any time soon, that we pay for nearly everything | Mar 02 02:00 |
| bruce89 | well, duh | Mar 02 02:00 |
| sebsebseb | shelter, food, water, and so on | Mar 02 02:00 |
| bruce89 | not to put it bluntly | Mar 02 02:00 |
| bruce89 | it appears as if you're an anarchist really | Mar 02 02:00 |
| sebsebseb | and technolgoy companies tend to treat the "consmer" as an idiot, hence Microsoft being all over the place for example | Mar 02 02:01 |
| sebsebseb | that won't change any time soon | Mar 02 02:01 |
| bruce89 | well, to be blunt, that's the truth | Mar 02 02:01 |
| bruce89 | I could rant about pixel densities in modern digital cameras for instance | Mar 02 02:01 |
| bruce89 | in fact I have done | Mar 02 02:01 |
| sebsebseb | if you think about it, in a way it's a bit sick really, that what is needed to live, we have to pay for | Mar 02 02:02 |
| sebsebseb | these days | Mar 02 02:02 |
| bruce89 | how so? | Mar 02 02:02 |
| sebsebseb | basics | Mar 02 02:02 |
| sebsebseb | food water | Mar 02 02:02 |
| sebsebseb | shelter | Mar 02 02:02 |
| sebsebseb | we could share that kind of stuff with each other, without needing to pay | Mar 02 02:03 |
| bruce89 | are you sure this isn't just you lashing out at society for the situation you're in? | Mar 02 02:03 |
| sebsebseb | certain things should be free, that aren't yet | Mar 02 02:04 |
| sebsebseb | Interent is really one of them, but it seems that is coming, at least a basic slow connection | Mar 02 02:04 |
| bruce89 | why so? | Mar 02 02:05 |
| bruce89 | I think water's slightly more important that internet access | Mar 02 02:05 |
| bruce89 | I know the government don't think so | Mar 02 02:05 |
| sebsebseb | clean water should be free as well really, and basic food. of course in this world nothing is really free except nature, so tax money could go to the water companies for example, like the NHS | Mar 02 02:06 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: people are greedy, and there is curruption and so on as well | Mar 02 02:07 |
| bruce89 | that's called the welfare state | Mar 02 02:07 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: and everyone should have some where to live, there shoudn't be any tramps on the streets | Mar 02 02:09 |
| sebsebseb | they have shelters sure, but I mean some where a bit more proper for them to live | Mar 02 02:09 |
| bruce89 | ideally of course | Mar 02 02:09 |
| bruce89 | some people just seem to fall through the cracks, it'll always be like that | Mar 02 02:09 |
| sebsebseb | some or quite a lot of people, the system isn't really set up for | Mar 02 02:10 |
| bruce89 | I don't think that's true | Mar 02 02:10 |
| bruce89 | that's just tin hat thinking | Mar 02 02:10 |
| sebsebseb | whatever | Mar 02 02:11 |
| bruce89 | fine way to argue a case | Mar 02 02:11 |
| sebsebseb | EOD I can't be bothered with this anymore | Mar 02 02:13 |
| bruce89 | surely not | Mar 02 02:13 |
| bruce89 | if you think society is against you, then it will be | Mar 02 02:14 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: I don't think it is against me, I just think it's not really set up properly for people like me | Mar 02 02:15 |
| bruce89 | why? | Mar 02 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | http://gayrights.change.org/blog/view/california_state_law_cure_homosexuality | Mar 02 02:15 |
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| sebsebseb | bruce89: Since the way things are for me. | Mar 02 02:15 |
| bruce89 | which is? | Mar 02 02:15 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: I'm done with this convo! | Mar 02 02:15 |
| bruce89 | I don't get you at all | Mar 02 02:16 |
| bruce89 | you complain about your life, and once someone tries to understand it, you say "go away" | Mar 02 02:16 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: We have had these kind of chats before in the past. Repeating them is pointless really. | Mar 02 02:16 |
| bruce89 | just don't ever complain about it again | Mar 02 02:16 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: also this isn't really the correct channel for this kind of stuff by the way | Mar 02 02:16 |
| *FurnaceBoy pulls on the fireproof undies | Mar 02 02:16 | |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: fireproof undies? | Mar 02 02:17 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: flame war? | Mar 02 02:17 |
| bruce89 | no, I suppose not | Mar 02 02:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | fire-proof underpants | Mar 02 02:17 |
| bruce89 | but seriously, please just stop this "I'm a victim of society" line | Mar 02 02:17 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: I guess you are in a way, just don't reolize it | Mar 02 02:18 |
| bruce89 | no, don't you bring me into this | Mar 02 02:18 |
| bruce89 | I don't blame society for my life | Mar 02 02:18 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: I blame the way school went for me and that, and college, for how my life is today. | Mar 02 02:20 |
| bruce89 | I see | Mar 02 02:20 |
| bruce89 | well, there's only one way to solve that surely? | Mar 02 02:21 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: I can't go back in time and change stuff, as a result I have missed out on certain things, and that's the way it will be. | Mar 02 02:21 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: of course some of those things I can do later on, but I coudn't back then, so I missed out on doing them, back then | Mar 02 02:22 |
| bruce89 | I know, but the future can be different | Mar 02 02:22 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: well things are getting a bit better this year | Mar 02 02:23 |
| sebsebseb | it seems | Mar 02 02:23 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: switching channel to reply hrm | Mar 02 02:23 |
| sebsebseb | you could of put that reply here | Mar 02 02:23 |
| bruce89 | have | Mar 02 02:23 |
| sebsebseb | yeah have | Mar 02 02:24 |
| sebsebseb | you could have put | Mar 02 02:24 |
| bruce89 | if you're going to say en_GB is great, at least use it | Mar 02 02:24 |
| sebsebseb | good | Mar 02 02:24 |
| sebsebseb | here | Mar 02 02:24 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: heh in a way | Mar 02 02:24 |
| bruce89 | to be honest, I don't think either of us what this logged | Mar 02 02:24 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: ah right yeah the log I know | Mar 02 02:24 |
| bruce89 | also, it's not exactly in the channel's brief | Mar 02 02:25 |
| sebsebseb | well what's been said in here will go in a log. | Mar 02 02:25 |
| bruce89 | hello insomniacs! | Mar 02 02:25 |
| bruce89 | people who can't sleep | Mar 02 02:25 |
| sebsebseb | Anyway everyone has problems of some sort basicalley, and if your someone reading the future log of this, hrm what's yours? | Mar 02 02:25 |
| bruce89 | why don't you text in about that? | Mar 02 02:26 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: text in about that? | Mar 02 02:26 |
| bruce89 | interactive TV | Mar 02 02:26 |
| sebsebseb | oh right | Mar 02 02:27 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: to be honest | Mar 02 02:27 |
| sebsebseb | some of the stuff people have said in here | Mar 02 02:27 |
| sebsebseb | I would be rather ashamed if I had put it | Mar 02 02:27 |
| bruce89 | you must be a C programmer, you keep saying "put" | Mar 02 02:27 |
| ender2070 | back | Mar 02 02:29 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: hrm didn't see you join or name change | Mar 02 02:31 |
| bruce89 | such a thing as idling | Mar 02 02:32 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: yeah, but I don't think I saw the ender name in the name list before either | Mar 02 02:32 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: as for this channel, well the topic says anything goes basically. Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] Altough yeah certain things shoudn't be in a logged channel, and other things shoudn't be "put" on IRC in the first place. | Mar 02 02:34 |
| *bruce89 got an e-mail from Gordon Brown saying I've won £2000000 | Mar 02 02:34 | |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: spam you mean I assume | Mar 02 02:34 |
| bruce89 | it was funny | Mar 02 02:35 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: How so? | Mar 02 02:36 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: "Anyway everyone has problems of some sort basicalley" well babies for example usually don't? | Mar 02 02:37 |
| bruce89 | just utterly dreadful | Mar 02 02:37 |
| bruce89 | you like overthinking things don't you? | Mar 02 02:38 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: sometimes I like to correct things on IRC, that I don't need to correct | Mar 02 02:38 |
| sebsebseb | I would do that kind of thing on IM as well | Mar 02 02:39 |
| bruce89 | I see | Mar 02 02:39 |
| ender2070 | i was on earlier as atlas | Mar 02 02:41 |
| ender2070 | arch enemy of astro boy | Mar 02 02:41 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: yes on as atlas | Mar 02 02:41 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: I got an atlas left message, but nothing for ender joining | Mar 02 02:42 |
| ender2070 | your point? | Mar 02 02:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender, he ends things. | Mar 02 02:42 |
| sebsebseb | [01:51] <-- Atlas2070 has left this server (Remote host closed the connection). | Mar 02 02:42 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: you were already in here with the ender2070 name? didn't get a message about ender2070 joining | Mar 02 02:43 |
| ender2070 | I was already in here | Mar 02 02:47 |
| ender2070 | left my pc on | Mar 02 02:47 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: ok I didn't seem to see the name in the list. or whatever. altough I didn't give the name list a right proper look. or whatever. Anyway right ok that explains it. | Mar 02 02:48 |
| ender2070 | i used atlas because ender was on | Mar 02 02:48 |
| bruce89 | all must answer the inquisitor | Mar 02 02:49 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: yeah you put that | Mar 02 02:49 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: asking questions on IRC so what | Mar 02 02:49 |
| bruce89 | well, it seems rather pointless | Mar 02 02:49 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: well IRC is rather pointless really, a lot of the time? | Mar 02 02:50 |
| sebsebseb | unless doing technical support | Mar 02 02:50 |
| sebsebseb | or talking to proggrammers about a project that is being made? | Mar 02 02:50 |
| sebsebseb | or something like that | Mar 02 02:50 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Mar 02 02:50 |
| ender2070 | I WASNT PRACTICING WITCHCRAFT | Mar 02 02:51 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: answering questions, makes a convo | Mar 02 02:51 |
| ender2070 | PLEASE DONT BURN ME | Mar 02 02:51 |
| *Diablo-D3 sparks a zippo | Mar 02 02:52 | |
| bruce89 | how bored must you be to ask as to why someone's using a new nick, or why you couldn't see them entering/leaving a channel | Mar 02 02:52 |
| bruce89 | that's surely obsessional | Mar 02 02:52 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: no I don't think so, but that was one of the last things, I am doing in here tonight | Mar 02 02:52 |
| sebsebseb | last things I am "putting" in here tonight! | Mar 02 02:52 |
| sebsebseb | one of them | Mar 02 02:53 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: as for beng bored well | Mar 02 02:53 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: that's why you been here, the last few days/nights or so isn't it? | Mar 02 02:53 |
| ender2070 | :P | Mar 02 02:53 |
| bruce89 | no | Mar 02 02:53 |
| sebsebseb | Why then? I know the kind of stuff you have "put" about this channel before, basically saying how you don't really like it | Mar 02 02:54 |
| bruce89 | oh great, thank you | Mar 02 02:54 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: it's ok, no one will care that much about that :) | Mar 02 02:55 |
| sebsebseb | plus that was last year | Mar 02 02:55 |
| sebsebseb | I think the last time, things change | Mar 02 02:56 |
| sebsebseb | times change | Mar 02 02:56 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: I wonder if anyone takes this channel really, really, seriously, I mean people tend to "put" nearly whatever they want in here. | Mar 02 02:58 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: your not here to troll, so your perfectly welcome here, remember that :) | Mar 02 03:00 |
| sebsebseb | hrm time | Mar 02 03:01 |
| bruce89 | int putc (int c, FILE *stream) | Mar 02 03:01 |
| *sebsebseb is thinking about going to bed in a bit | Mar 02 03:01 | |
| sebsebseb | this channel is boring me now | Mar 02 03:02 |
| sebsebseb | or is that bordeing hrm bordeom | Mar 02 03:04 |
| ender2070 | lol | Mar 02 03:04 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: come on Mr en_GB correct my bad English? :D | Mar 02 03:04 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: Come on Mr Gnome en_GB'er | Mar 02 03:06 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: boring, bordom, bordeing (spelt wrong I think), similar words/spellings hrm | Mar 02 03:07 |
| bruce89 | whatever you like | Mar 02 03:08 |
| bruce89 | contrary to opinion, we're not here to entertain you | Mar 02 03:09 |
| ender2070 | you work on en_GB bruce? | Mar 02 03:10 |
| bruce89 | mm | Mar 02 03:10 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: you have "put/wrote/typed" that kind of thing to me before in that other channel | Mar 02 03:10 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: yes he does | Mar 02 03:11 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: for GNOME | Mar 02 03:11 |
| bruce89 | and Fedora | Mar 02 03:11 |
| ender2070 | good stuff | Mar 02 03:11 |
| ender2070 | :) | Mar 02 03:11 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: as a volunter, so not getting paid yeah | Mar 02 03:11 |
| ender2070 | en_GB is important | Mar 02 03:11 |
| bruce89 | who would pay me to do that? | Mar 02 03:11 |
| ender2070 | americans are killing english | Mar 02 03:11 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: your also Canadian like FurnaceBoy ? | Mar 02 03:11 |
| ender2070 | yes | Mar 02 03:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | lol silly canadians | Mar 02 03:12 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: yeah store, Center, Mom, elavater (uhmm bad spelling there yeah) stuff like that | Mar 02 03:12 |
| bruce89 | good olympics I may add | Mar 02 03:12 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: not the down hill skiing | Mar 02 03:12 |
| sebsebseb | for Canada | Mar 02 03:12 |
| sebsebseb | no medels there | Mar 02 03:12 |
| bruce89 | I meant in terms of how it was organised | Mar 02 03:12 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: silly Americans :D | Mar 02 03:13 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: and I am not Canadian | Mar 02 03:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, but ender2070 is | Mar 02 03:13 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: most people in my countrey are sleeping right now | Mar 02 03:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: where are you? | Mar 02 03:13 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: yes, just making clear I am not, when doing the silly Americans thing | Mar 02 03:14 |
| ender2070 | probably some mental asylum | Mar 02 03:14 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89 and me are both from the same countrey, however sort of from differnet counteries | Mar 02 03:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: sometimes I do wonder... >_> | Mar 02 03:14 |
| bruce89 | yes, I suppose England is an asylum | Mar 02 03:14 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: well in that case, Scotland isn't much better | Mar 02 03:15 |
| bruce89 | aye right | Mar 02 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, waaaaaaaambulance | Mar 02 03:29 |
| ender2070 | :P | Mar 02 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | $46.95 as MP3s vs $22.62 to buy the 5 CDs and have them shipped, MP3 Store FAIL | Mar 02 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | muahahahaha | Mar 02 03:58 |
| bruce89 | I was just looking things up, apparently 320kb/s is as high as it goes | Mar 02 03:59 |
| bruce89 | which makes it insane that things are distributed at that | Mar 02 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | bruce89, like I said, 320k MP3 hogs your portable and sounds like shit at the same time | Mar 02 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | it multi tasks | Mar 02 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 02 04:00 |
| bruce89 | mm | Mar 02 04:00 |
| bruce89 | does anyone use vorbis q10? | Mar 02 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | bruce89, Odd you say that | Mar 02 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | 1. I doubt it as it doesn't compress a whole lot more than Vorbis and is lossy | Mar 02 04:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | no | Mar 02 04:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | we just use flac at that point >_> | Mar 02 04:01 |
| bruce89 | mm | Mar 02 04:01 |
| DaemonFC | 2. decompressing it and running it through Audiochecker says that it's CDDA with 100% probability | Mar 02 04:01 |
| DaemonFC | so whatever it does to it at q10, it fools lossless checker software | Mar 02 04:01 |
| bruce89 | kind of reminds me of JPEG quality=100 | Mar 02 04:01 |
| DaemonFC | but at q9 it does not | Mar 02 04:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | jpeg quality=100 + 4:4:4 | Mar 02 04:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | might as well just use png at that point | Mar 02 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | bruce89, If you're going to go higher than Vorbis q8, use FLAC | Mar 02 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | that's my opinion | Mar 02 04:02 |
| bruce89 | of course, I just wondered if anyone was insane enough to do utterly huge q values | Mar 02 04:03 |
| bruce89 | no doubt somewhere | Mar 02 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | as a lossy codec, I think greater than q6 is probably overkill really | Mar 02 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | q6 sounds good and gives you much file size reduction | Mar 02 04:03 |
| ender2070 | i do 6.5 | Mar 02 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | what for? | Mar 02 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | I never understood the logic in bumping it up half a notch | Mar 02 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | am I missing something here? | Mar 02 04:03 |
| ender2070 | i had some reason | Mar 02 04:04 |
| ender2070 | i think it had to do with the encoder at the time | Mar 02 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt anyone would know the difference of a half increment at mid or high quality settings anyway | Mar 02 04:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | lawlz | Mar 02 04:04 |
| bruce89 | snag with using a scale like 0-10 (I know that -2 can be done now), or 0 - 100 is that people assume it's a percentage | Mar 02 04:05 |
| ender2070 | q6.5 is like 220k or something | Mar 02 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, I use q6 mainly because of lossless stereo coupling and no noise normalization | Mar 02 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | q6 is where that ends | Mar 02 04:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | q6 is around 192 or so, so yeah | Mar 02 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | with headphones you do get perfect stereo separation, so it's worth preserving the stereo image imo | Mar 02 04:05 |
| ender2070 | someone had recommended 6.5 for me | Mar 02 04:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'd rather have ssim for audio | Mar 02 04:05 |
| ender2070 | i dont remember exactly why, it was years ago | Mar 02 04:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then just tell it to do a persistent value | Mar 02 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, q7 is 224k nominal | Mar 02 04:06 |
| ender2070 | its variable right | Mar 02 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Mar 02 04:06 |
| bruce89 | could use 5.98 if you wanted | Mar 02 04:06 |
| ender2070 | i think the reasoning, was if you brought it up higher it would use a higher range of bitrates | Mar 02 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | ~208k would be the nominal bitrate at q6.5 then | Mar 02 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | which is a bizarre choice | Mar 02 04:07 |
| DaemonFC | bruce89, No, you go under 6.0, you lose the guarantee of no noise normalization and lossless stereo image | Mar 02 04:07 |
| DaemonFC | that's per Monty (main developer at Xiph.org) | Mar 02 04:07 |
| bruce89 | I know, it's just a random number | Mar 02 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | 5.99 is not a good idea | Mar 02 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | no, it has other implications | Mar 02 04:08 |
| bruce89 | for the sake of example, not as a recommendation | Mar 02 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | under 6.0 tells the encoder it's OK to use point stereo and noise normalization in some cases | Mar 02 04:08 |
| ender2070 | its probably due to an older crappy encorder for my 6.5 choice | Mar 02 04:08 |
| ender2070 | like i said it was years ago | Mar 02 04:08 |
| bruce89 | gstreamer's vorbisenc defaults to 3 incidentally | Mar 02 04:09 |
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| DaemonFC | the main points of reference is <6.0 you get point stereo and noise normalization and <q5 you get a lowpass filter which cuts off before 20 Khz | Mar 02 04:09 |
| DaemonFC | so that's my reason for never going below 6 | Mar 02 04:09 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - i think the reason behind 6.5 is so that it never goes under 192 | Mar 02 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | why would that matter? | Mar 02 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | the point of VBR is to use bits efficiently | Mar 02 04:10 |
| ender2070 | the bitrate? | Mar 02 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | pick a quality level and don't worry past that point | Mar 02 04:10 |
| ender2070 | well my new stuff I do at 7 | Mar 02 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | the bitrate of a given frame doesn't matter if the encoder is sane | Mar 02 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | that's how VBR works | Mar 02 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | barring a bug in the encoder's VBR algorithm, you shouldn't worry past finding a good quality setting and using it | Mar 02 04:11 |
| ender2070 | i did hear about not going under 6 though | Mar 02 04:12 |
| Balrog_ | DaemonFC: vorbis VBR? | Mar 02 04:12 |
| Balrog_ | or mp3? | Mar 02 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | Balrog_, Either | Mar 02 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | the point of VBR is the same in any codec | Mar 02 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | make the most efficient bit allocations possible with a given quality target | Mar 02 04:13 |
| Balrog_ | take a look at http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=LAME#VBR_.28variable_bitrate.29_settings and a little lower for how LAME does the lowpass | Mar 02 04:13 |
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| DaemonFC | Balrog_, MP3 has limitations that Vorbis does not | Mar 02 04:13 |
| Balrog_ | AAC has a superior VBR implementation because frames are totally independent. Unfortunately the only encoders that can do it are Nero's and Apple's, both proprietary | Mar 02 04:13 |
| DaemonFC | that plays into an MP3 encoder's VBR design | Mar 02 04:13 |
| DaemonFC | yes, the sfb21 bloat problem | Mar 02 04:14 |
| Balrog_ | and Apple doesn't use the superior encoder by default anyway | Mar 02 04:14 |
| Balrog_ | does Vorbis allow for totally independent frames? | Mar 02 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | scale factor band 21 | Mar 02 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | Balrog_, yes | Mar 02 04:14 |
| Balrog_ | okay. does any encoder implement it? | Mar 02 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | Vorbis doesn't need a bit reservoir because it's not designed for constant bitrate | Mar 02 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | even if you force Vorbis to be CBR, it's not | Mar 02 04:15 |
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| Balrog_ | I see, interesting | Mar 02 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | Balrog_, the ogg container is where the frame allocation is made | Mar 02 04:15 |
| Balrog_ | ahh | Mar 02 04:15 |
| Balrog_ | (personally I use FLAC for my audio anyway) | Mar 02 04:16 |
| ender2070 | I use both | Mar 02 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | Ogg Vorbis has a variable frame size, very fluid | Mar 02 04:16 |
| ender2070 | flac and ogg | Mar 02 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | MP3 uses a bit reservoir | Mar 02 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | that means I have to make my frames like 32kbps or 64 kbps or whatever in size | Mar 02 04:16 |
| Balrog_ | yea well I guess you know never to transcode from lossy to lossless, or lossy to lossy :) | Mar 02 04:16 |
| Balrog_ | I see | Mar 02 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | but I can use leftover room in that frame to store extra bits that I need someplace else | Mar 02 04:16 |
| ender2070 | i encode all my cds in flac | Mar 02 04:17 |
| ender2070 | then to ogg | Mar 02 04:17 |
| Balrog_ | ender2070: you use an accurate ripping app? | Mar 02 04:17 |
| ender2070 | then if something replaces ogg, I got flac backups | Mar 02 04:17 |
| Balrog_ | yea | Mar 02 04:17 |
| ender2070 | used to use EAC | Mar 02 04:17 |
| Balrog_ | or like, if for some reason you need MP3's | Mar 02 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | Balrog_, The two approaches produce similar results, with Ogg Vorbis being slightly more efficient than MP3 | Mar 02 04:17 |
| Balrog_ | EAC is supposed to be really good | Mar 02 04:17 |
| Balrog_ | closed source though | Mar 02 04:17 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Mar 02 04:17 |
| Balrog_ | XLD on the Mac is just as good; open source but Mac only | Mar 02 04:17 |
| ender2070 | its been a while too | Mar 02 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | MP4 container gives AAC the same benefit | Mar 02 04:18 |
| ender2070 | i get other peoples flac rips too | Mar 02 04:18 |
| Balrog_ | I see | Mar 02 04:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | just use flac | Mar 02 04:18 |
| Balrog_ | I use flac except for some devices | Mar 02 04:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres no point in using a format that doesnt have wide support | Mar 02 04:18 |
| Balrog_ | then I transcode to mp3, aac, or alac | Mar 02 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | Balrog_, The interesting thing is that you can put MP3 audio into an MP4 container and remove the bit reservoir and trade it for variable frame sizes | Mar 02 04:18 |
| Balrog_ | I like the ease of transcoding flac to alac and vice-versa | Mar 02 04:19 |
| ender2070 | my portable music player supports ogg, no flac | Mar 02 04:19 |
| Balrog_ | XLD preserves all the tags | Mar 02 04:19 |
| Balrog_ | DaemonFC: I see | Mar 02 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | no good MP3 encoder can stuff it in an MP4 container though | Mar 02 04:19 |
| Balrog_ | ender2070: must be a low end | Mar 02 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | VLC could :) | Mar 02 04:19 |
| ender2070 | yes and old too | Mar 02 04:19 |
| ender2070 | iriver 512mb | Mar 02 04:19 |
| Balrog_ | I see | Mar 02 04:19 |
| ender2070 | lol | Mar 02 04:19 |
| Balrog_ | ahh | Mar 02 04:19 |
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| DaemonFC | and anything that can read an MP4 container likely reads MPEG-4 Audio (AAC) anyway | Mar 02 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | so what's the point? :) | Mar 02 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | if it reads MPEG-4 Audio, just use MPEG-4 Audio and get the many benefits of that format | Mar 02 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | Nero's encoder has gotten pretty good quality wise | Mar 02 04:21 |
| ender2070 | ewww | Mar 02 04:21 |
| ender2070 | nero is the devil | Mar 02 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | biggest problem is there's no FOSS MPEG-4 Audio encoder that spits out decent quality files | Mar 02 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | FAAC blows | Mar 02 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | Nero hired all the FAAC guys | Mar 02 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | and it blows because it wasn't finished when that happened | Mar 02 04:21 |
| Balrog_ | yea, I know :( | Mar 02 04:22 |
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| Balrog_ | Nero's encoder works well | Mar 02 04:22 |
| Balrog_ | Apple's True VBR encoder works well too | Mar 02 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, nothing wrong with their standalone encoder | Mar 02 04:22 |
| Balrog_ | though you can't use it from itunes (though why would you) | Mar 02 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | their Nero Suite is bloated and shitty | Mar 02 04:23 |
| Balrog_ | XLD can take advantage of it | Mar 02 04:23 |
| Balrog_ | (the Apple encoder) | Mar 02 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | you can address the iTunes encoder without firing up iTunes | Mar 02 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | you just have to have iTunes installed :P | Mar 02 04:23 |
| Balrog_ | actually, no | Mar 02 04:23 |
| Balrog_ | Quicktime | Mar 02 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | oh? | Mar 02 04:23 |
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| Balrog_ | yea, the encoder is part of QuickTime | Mar 02 04:24 |
| Balrog_ | 'afconvert' on mac | Mar 02 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | yes, Apple's AAC encoder is usually ahead of Nero's by statistically significant (but not huge) margins in listening tests | Mar 02 04:24 |
| Balrog_ | yes | Mar 02 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | I just never felt compelled to have Crapple stuff littering my disk to find out | Mar 02 04:24 |
| Balrog_ | unfortunately they hide it and don't let anyone see it :[ | Mar 02 04:25 |
| ender2070 | i dont get why people even like itunes | Mar 02 04:25 |
| ender2070 | its a bloated piece of shit | Mar 02 04:25 |
| Balrog_ | bloated, yes | Mar 02 04:25 |
| Balrog_ | but at least it works | Mar 02 04:25 |
| ender2070 | it even installs queertime | Mar 02 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | why would they hand it out and say "Here's the only useful part of our massice bloated music store app"? | Mar 02 04:25 |
| Balrog_ | it is badly in need of a rewrite | Mar 02 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 02 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | *massive | Mar 02 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070.... | Mar 02 04:25 |
| Balrog_ | and I believe Apple agrees with that themselves | Mar 02 04:25 |
| ender2070 | at least it works? so did winamp back in 1996 | Mar 02 04:26 |
| Balrog_ | it still uses long-deprecated API | Mar 02 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | It's AlternativeLifestyleTime | Mar 02 04:26 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Mar 02 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | how many times do I have to go over this? | Mar 02 04:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | hm? | Mar 02 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 02 04:26 |
| ender2070 | queer doesnt mean gay | Mar 02 04:26 |
| Balrog_ | let's discuss based on technical merits, not general bashing :\ | Mar 02 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | I know, it means odd | Mar 02 04:26 |
| ender2070 | queer can mean weird or strange | Mar 02 04:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | and gay can mean merry | Mar 02 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | but not married | Mar 02 04:27 |
| ender2070 | lol | Mar 02 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 02 04:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: Xtian Taliban | Mar 02 04:27 |
| ender2070 | im not attacking gay people, queertime is just a catchy name | Mar 02 04:27 |
| ender2070 | i could call it quickytime | Mar 02 04:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | hehe | Mar 02 04:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | another double entendre | Mar 02 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | uhhhm, how about Quirktime? | Mar 02 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | no? | Mar 02 04:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | Mar 02 04:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | innocuous | Mar 02 04:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | now see | Mar 02 04:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes better than QuackTime | Mar 02 04:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | a good format converter | Mar 02 04:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | could be called | Mar 02 04:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | time travel. | Mar 02 04:28 |
| ender2070 | or cracktime | Mar 02 04:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: taken, for backup. | Mar 02 04:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | fff | Mar 02 04:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: no | Mar 02 04:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats time machine | Mar 02 04:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: i know. | Mar 02 04:28 |
| ender2070 | knowing apple users, the probably think their macbook has a flux capacitor | Mar 02 04:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: the metaphor is taken, i mean | Mar 02 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | Project Backstep | Mar 02 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 02 04:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: ... it doesnt? why the fuck does it cost so much then? | Mar 02 04:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | lololololol | Mar 02 04:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: jobs likes to park his delorean in handicapped spaces. | Mar 02 04:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | hah | Mar 02 04:29 |
| ender2070 | lol | Mar 02 04:29 |
| ender2070 | funny story | Mar 02 04:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: while people make handicapped faces? | Mar 02 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o-4sEEnWYw | Mar 02 04:29 |
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| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: D is the asshole around here | Mar 02 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | there you go | Mar 02 04:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | o/~ hes an assshooooooolllllooooooooooeooooooooooooo o/~ | Mar 02 04:29 |
| ender2070 | I once had a co-worker ask me if the store fixed capacitors, I told him "yes, but only flux capacitors" | Mar 02 04:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: and it takes 1.21GW | Mar 02 04:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | see, I love the term flux capacitor | Mar 02 04:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | its totally nonsensical | Mar 02 04:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | on purpose too | Mar 02 04:30 |
| ender2070 | he came back a few minutes later, asking what a flux capacitor was because the customer was confused | Mar 02 04:30 |
| ender2070 | i had no idea he didnt get my joke | Mar 02 04:30 |
| ender2070 | had to apologize to the customer, lol | Mar 02 04:30 |
| ender2070 | another time I was explaining how the warranty worked with someone else | Mar 02 04:31 |
| ender2070 | i told them if the flux capacitor went haywire we would replace it for them under warranty | Mar 02 04:31 |
| ender2070 | my coworkers wanted to me dead after that one | Mar 02 04:31 |
| ender2070 | they had to put so much effort into not laughing in front of the guy | Mar 02 04:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | wow | Mar 02 04:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | apple users have never seen bttf? | Mar 02 04:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats nuts | Mar 02 04:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | they haven't? wow. | Mar 02 04:32 |
| ender2070 | nah wasnt an apple store | Mar 02 04:32 |
| ender2070 | pc store | Mar 02 04:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | but even so. it's amazing that apple users to a man haven't seen BTTF. ignorant twats. | Mar 02 04:32 |
| ender2070 | yeah i thought everyone has seen BTTF | Mar 02 04:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's culture, that is. you can shove your Dante and Joyce up Palin's butt. | Mar 02 04:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | BTTF is where it's at. | Mar 02 04:33 |
| ender2070 | i loved #2 | Mar 02 04:33 |
| ender2070 | just think | Mar 02 04:33 |
| ender2070 | in 5 more years, its going to be true | Mar 02 04:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know whats hilarious | Mar 02 04:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | BTTF#2 totally obsoleted Cervantes. | Mar 02 04:33 |
| ender2070 | hover boards, sell drying cloths, control of the weather | Mar 02 04:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | in 1955, at the same time, theres three deloreans | Mar 02 04:34 |
| ender2070 | flying cars | Mar 02 04:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | or rather, the same delorean three times | Mar 02 04:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: the weird thing is, that's true. the 90s movies dystopias map the '00s | Mar 02 04:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | or the '10s | Mar 02 04:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | Robocop. | Mar 02 04:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | you have the first movie | Mar 02 04:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | ^^killing drones. | Mar 02 04:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | you have the second movie | Mar 02 04:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | Terminator, same. | Mar 02 04:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | and you have the second movie again | Mar 02 04:34 |
| ender2070 | Total Recall = Naked Body Scanners in Airports | Mar 02 04:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: who cares, if it makes money | Mar 02 04:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | when biff steals the car and goes back to visit himself | Mar 02 04:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: just remake random classics, rake it in | Mar 02 04:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: Im talking about the car damnit | Mar 02 04:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: of course they're crap, but people only remember the names, they never saw the originals, so profit!!!!! | Mar 02 04:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | think about it | Mar 02 04:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | the car | Mar 02 04:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | was in 1955 | Mar 02 04:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | the car. | Mar 02 04:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | at the same time | Mar 02 04:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | three times. | Mar 02 04:35 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Mar 02 04:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | all doing somewhat unrelated tasks. | Mar 02 04:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | are you saying there are technical problems with BTTF? | Mar 02 04:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, Im saying thats fucking awesome. | Mar 02 04:35 |
| *FurnaceBoy feels the underpinnings of his universe shake. | Mar 02 04:35 | |
| ender2070 | its clever because its time travel that makes sense | Mar 02 04:36 |
| ender2070 | sort of | Mar 02 04:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | i still haven't got used to the idea that Michael J. Fox has a disease. | Mar 02 04:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | I havent gotten used to the fact micheal j fox hastn aged. | Mar 02 04:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | lol | Mar 02 04:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | they don't-- nor Gary Coleman | Mar 02 04:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | something they put in the studio water coolers | Mar 02 04:36 |
| ender2070 | some doctors say he has aspertame poisoning which caused or looks like parkinsons | Mar 02 04:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | i assume there must be some massive coverup | Mar 02 04:37 |
| ender2070 | he used to be the poster boy for diet pepsi | Mar 02 04:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: that ... could very well be possible | Mar 02 04:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: where did he get aspartame poisoning? | Mar 02 04:37 |
| ender2070 | truckloads of diet pepsi | Mar 02 04:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: yes, given what it does to your nervous system | Mar 02 04:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | aspertame is a well known neurotoxin | Mar 02 04:37 |
| ender2070 | for being the poster boy | Mar 02 04:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | for all we know, it IS the cause of parkinsons | Mar 02 04:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | deadly shit. | Mar 02 04:37 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Mar 02 04:37 |
| bruce89 | night | Mar 02 04:39 |
| ender2070 | its very possible considering the effects of various neurotoxins | Mar 02 04:39 |
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| FurnaceBoy | like so many things, 'diet' is the opposite of what it claims. aspartame is supposed to lead to a calorie expectation deficit, throws the liver into overdrive and soon causes a craving for the missing calories. result? piggies. | Mar 02 04:39 |
| ender2070 | aspertame is a byproduct of the aluminum industry | Mar 02 04:39 |
| ender2070 | they couldnt legally dispose of it so they found a way to sell it as an additive | Mar 02 04:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | notice how diet soda consumption is usually followed by junk food binges. | Mar 02 04:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | no coincidence that they are sold together, | Mar 02 04:39 |
| ender2070 | i dont know theres many factors | Mar 02 04:40 |
| ender2070 | people who drink diet pop think they can binge more in other areas | Mar 02 04:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes there are. but one is that the expectation of calories triggers the liver, and you get a craving to make up the deficit later. | Mar 02 04:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | there's a direct link, though. | Mar 02 04:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | cause and effect. from the fake sugar. | Mar 02 04:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | calorie expectation fools the liver... but no calories arrive in the drink. | Mar 02 04:40 |
| ender2070 | aspertame is addictive | Mar 02 04:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | so you have to get them elsewhere. | Mar 02 04:41 |
| ender2070 | yeah that makes sense | Mar 02 04:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | if you consider that diet soda is sold where junk food is sold.. it's a profitable scam -- like OEM windows and "windows rot". | Mar 02 04:41 |
| ender2070 | i dont know about that link | Mar 02 04:41 |
| ender2070 | i always see regular pop there too | Mar 02 04:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | just look at what people do. i think an informal survey will reveal that people feel a need for a binge after hitting diet soda. | Mar 02 04:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: that's not relevant | Mar 02 04:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: i'm just pointing out the metabolic mechanism claimed for aspartame | Mar 02 04:42 |
| ender2070 | ohh ok | Mar 02 04:42 |
| ender2070 | what about sucralose ? | Mar 02 04:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: which is probably not coincidentally somewhat profitable. | Mar 02 04:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | you have to get those calories from somewhere | Mar 02 04:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | people 'learn' to buy junk food and diet soda together | Mar 02 04:42 |
| ender2070 | hmm you might be right actually | Mar 02 04:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: don't know; the analysis i read was specifically aspartame | Mar 02 04:43 |
| ender2070 | now that i think of it | Mar 02 04:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: yeah seems to me that this is a common pattern | Mar 02 04:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: furthermore... | Mar 02 04:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: it's a psychological exploit too | Mar 02 04:43 |
| ender2070 | i used to drink the stuff to save my teeth, but often had chocolate cravings | Mar 02 04:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: because ppl reason, "i saved the calories w. diet soda, i can afford to reward myself a bit" | Mar 02 04:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's as simple as that. | Mar 02 04:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | a basic scam like "my pc is getting slow.. i'll buy a new one [with another windows license]" | Mar 02 04:44 |
| ender2070 | oh thats what i was saying earlier | Mar 02 04:44 |
| ender2070 | people who drink diet pop think they can get away with the other stuff | Mar 02 04:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | that OEM scam is .... obscene | Mar 02 04:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: yes!!!! | Mar 02 04:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: that's one more factor. | Mar 02 04:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: in fact there are a number of factors, all intertwined. | Mar 02 04:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: the liver one and "calorie deficit" is only one that i remember enough to describe. | Mar 02 04:44 |
| ender2070 | I always say "you won't need to eat when you're dead, sure its diet" | Mar 02 04:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: all in all it's a dietary nightmare | Mar 02 04:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: and THEN the shit metabolises into poisons... | Mar 02 04:45 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Mar 02 04:45 |
| ender2070 | it'll just get mixed in with the other poisons, flouride and etc | Mar 02 04:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Mar 02 04:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | w00t | Mar 02 04:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | did you see "food, inc." ? | Mar 02 04:46 |
| ender2070 | yes | Mar 02 04:46 |
| ender2070 | and then people wonder why the western male is 75% sterile | Mar 02 04:46 |
| ender2070 | or they dont | Mar 02 04:46 |
| ender2070 | too much apathy | Mar 02 04:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | diabetes is epidemic | Mar 02 04:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | in countries that copy the shitty 'western' (corporate) diet | Mar 02 04:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | not just the usa | Mar 02 04:47 |
| ender2070 | diabetes can be caused by milk too | Mar 02 04:47 |
| ender2070 | early on in life | Mar 02 04:47 |
| ender2070 | theres a protein that looks like one in your body that creates insulin and your body gets trained to fight it | Mar 02 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, You ever wonder why our bodies can attack themselves but they can't figure out that cancer cells are the enemy? | Mar 02 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | sounds pretty fucked up | Mar 02 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | I'll have to speak to the guy in charge of this mess | Mar 02 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 02 04:49 |
| ender2070 | i dunno | Mar 02 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | he's a disgrace to the regiment, unfit for the uniform | Mar 02 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 02 04:49 |
| ender2070 | but autism has skyrocketted since innoculations have been put in place | Mar 02 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, They need to put placebos in some of those | Mar 02 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | then when the parent bitches about the vaccine making little Timmy autistic, there you go | Mar 02 04:50 |
| ender2070 | its either innoculations or some other pollutant or additive that was added in the 1950's too | Mar 02 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, Or medical science calling these thigns something other than "profound mental retardation" | Mar 02 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | L) | Mar 02 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | since the 50s | Mar 02 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | could just be my guess | Mar 02 04:52 |
| ender2070 | could be | Mar 02 04:52 |
| ender2070 | science is funny really | Mar 02 04:53 |
| ender2070 | basicly its which scientist do you want to believe | Mar 02 04:53 |
| ender2070 | we're not scientists ourselves and both sides can bring up rational arguements | Mar 02 04:54 |
| ender2070 | though im more likely to believe the scientist who isn't on government grants | Mar 02 04:54 |
| ender2070 | which isnt very many | Mar 02 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | there's worthwhile stuff the US government is funding, even Linux-related :) | Mar 02 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | does that mean you won't touch a Linux distro | Mar 02 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, Lets say for a moment that vaccines do cause autism (they don't, but let's say they do for argument) | Mar 02 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | Is it a grand government conspiracy to increase their own Medicaid costs? | Mar 02 05:06 |
| ender2070 | im saying they fund science that fits in with their agenda | Mar 02 05:07 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Ordered next set of books from #flipkart :-) #happy #happy | Mar 02 05:07 | |
| ender2070 | sure, they would love to spend more money | Mar 02 05:07 |
| ender2070 | the sooner the dollar crashes, the sooner a world currency can replace it | Mar 02 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | the agenda to give kids autism so they can pay a fortune on Medicaid for them then disability income later? | Mar 02 05:08 |
| ender2070 | yes | Mar 02 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | so they can crash the dollar and commit suicide? | Mar 02 05:08 |
| ender2070 | so they can crash the dollar and bring in world currency | Mar 02 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | doubtful | Mar 02 05:08 |
| ender2070 | the UN minted its own coins in december | Mar 02 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | according to WorldNetDaily? | Mar 02 05:09 |
| ender2070 | think about it | Mar 02 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Mar 02 05:09 |
| ender2070 | the more your government goes into debt, the more it has to raise taxes and that puts your great grandchildren into debt | Mar 02 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | not mine, yours | Mar 02 05:10 |
| ender2070 | most countries are still paying their ww2 debts | Mar 02 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | have fun | Mar 02 05:10 |
| ender2070 | theres a huge backlog of debt | Mar 02 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | so? | Mar 02 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | I won't live long enough to pay it | Mar 02 05:10 |
| ender2070 | bush put your country into the same level of debt | Mar 02 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 02 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | so? | Mar 02 05:10 |
| ender2070 | well im planning on having kids, so i actually care about the long term | Mar 02 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | yay | Mar 02 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | rent out some apartments in the burning building | Mar 02 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 02 05:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | wow, that was slightly shocking. gnome-open decided to use WINE Notepad for a ,java file I downloaded | Mar 02 05:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | ...! | Mar 02 05:11 |
| ender2070 | ROFL | Mar 02 05:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's NOT a setting I might have accidentally made. | Mar 02 05:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | :( | Mar 02 05:12 |
| ender2070 | gnome loves microsoft | Mar 02 05:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's a bit .. out there though. i wonder what caused it. | Mar 02 05:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | i actually like gedit | Mar 02 05:12 |
| ender2070 | i like kate | Mar 02 05:26 |
| ender2070 | or nano | Mar 02 05:26 |
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| ender2070 | whos deathcrawler | Mar 02 05:37 |
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| DaemonFC | ender2070, Clearly a Hot Topic customer | Mar 02 06:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | sigh, the SLashdot coverage of "Aurora" attack fails to mention Microsoft or Windows anywhere. | Mar 02 06:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | the most important component. | Mar 02 06:05 |
| ender2070 | ? | Mar 02 06:06 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-_w7xoHbbQ | Mar 02 06:07 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: YouTube- Burn Down Hot Topic .::. Size~: 116.15 KB | Mar 02 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | bad quality, still funny | Mar 02 06:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] [LUG@IITD:6582] Re: any stable software for ssh over jabber http://post.ly/QJd1 | Mar 02 06:07 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: [LUG@IITD:6582] Re: any stable software for ssh over jabber - LUG@IITD Community Blog .::. Size~: 28.53 KB | Mar 02 06:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | . 4. The attacker escalates his privilege on the corporate Windows network, using cached or local administrator credentials | Mar 02 06:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: what? | Mar 02 06:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | it says windows right there | Mar 02 06:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | 5. The attacker attempts to access an Active Directory server to obtain the password database, which can be cracked onsite or offsite. | Mar 02 06:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then it says AD, another microsoft product | Mar 02 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/210827 | Mar 02 06:08 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Burning Down Hot Topic - Clips - South Park Studios .::. Size~: 103.94 KB | Mar 02 06:08 |
| ender2070 | http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/law/article2317284.ece | Mar 02 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | that's better | Mar 02 06:08 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Business News, Market and Financial News | Times Online Business .::. Size~: 135.49 KB | Mar 02 06:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it mentions malware | Mar 02 06:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | which only exists on windows | Mar 02 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | no it doesn't | Mar 02 06:08 |
| ender2070 | kids removed from parents to meet kidnapping quotas | Mar 02 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | there was a trojan on gnome look that infected Ubuntu | Mar 02 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | in December | Mar 02 06:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/03/01/221252/Patent-Markings-Lawsuits-Could-Run-Into-the-Trillions | Mar 02 06:09 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | "Patent Markings" Lawsuits Could Run Into the Trillions .::. Size~: 135.78 KB | Mar 02 06:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA | Mar 02 06:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | OH _WOW_ | Mar 02 06:09 |
| *Diablo-D3 totally lol'd | Mar 02 06:10 | |
| ender2070 | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1254619/Baby-girl-survives-shot-chest-parents-global-warming-suicide-pact.html?ITO=1490 | Mar 02 06:10 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Baby girl survives after being shot in the chest in parents' global warming suicide pact | Mail Online .::. Size~: 55.15 KB | Mar 02 06:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: dude | Mar 02 06:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | quit reading the dailyfail | Mar 02 06:10 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Mar 02 06:10 |
| ender2070 | global warming suicide pact | Mar 02 06:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | dailyfail likes to make shit up | Mar 02 06:10 |
| ender2070 | doesnt mean it didnt happen | Mar 02 06:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | its worse than faux news | Mar 02 06:11 |
| ender2070 | no | Mar 02 06:11 |
| ender2070 | global warming alarmists dont like them | Mar 02 06:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | it may have happened, but it most certainly didnt happen that way | Mar 02 06:11 |
| DaemonFC | "The statute, first passed in 1863, includes an ancient legal device called a “qui tam” provision (from a Latin phrase meaning “he who brings a case on behalf of our lord the King, as well as for himself”). This provision allows a private person, known as a “relator,” to bring a lawsuit on behalf of the United States, where the private person has information that the named defendant has knowingly submitted or caused | Mar 02 06:11 |
| DaemonFC | the submission of false or fraudulent claims to the United States. The relator need not have been personally harmed by the defendant’s conduct." | Mar 02 06:11 |
| DaemonFC | SWEEEEEEET!!!! | Mar 02 06:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | dailyfail regularly omits really important facts and pairs it with sensationalist headlines | Mar 02 06:12 |
| ender2070 | all media omits the truth | Mar 02 06:12 |
| ender2070 | http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/woman-61-arrested-for-309285.html?cxtype=rss_news_128746 | Mar 02 06:12 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Woman, 61, arrested for asking why' | ajc.com .::. Size~: 62.61 KB | Mar 02 06:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | all media omits _something_ yes | Mar 02 06:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | its _usually_ "facts" that dont improve the story | Mar 02 06:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | omitting "the truth" is a very loaded statement | Mar 02 06:13 |
| DaemonFC | $500 per incident and the product was coffee cup lids numbering 21 billion | Mar 02 06:13 |
| DaemonFC | BEST LAWSUIT EVER | Mar 02 06:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | most media doesnt omit "the truth", they just omit too much to fit the entire story in like three paragraphs | Mar 02 06:13 |
| ender2070 | hardly | Mar 02 06:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres no left or right wing conspiracy here... its just that people don't want lengthy in depth articles anymore | Mar 02 06:14 |
| ender2070 | they get a script from the government to read | Mar 02 06:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not about omitting "the truth", its about journalism not paying the bills. | Mar 02 06:14 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, $10 trillion in damages over coffee cup lids that reference an expired patent? | Mar 02 06:14 |
| DaemonFC | You don't think that's pretty fucking cool? | Mar 02 06:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: paranoia much? | Mar 02 06:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: you know how I would have written this article? | Mar 02 06:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | "crazy people have children, promptly shoot them during an attack of the crazies" | Mar 02 06:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats it. | Mar 02 06:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats all there is too it | Mar 02 06:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | no vast global warming conspiracy | Mar 02 06:15 |
| ender2070 | their suicide note referenced global warming fears | Mar 02 06:15 |
| DaemonFC | sounds like an attack of momentary lucidity to me | Mar 02 06:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | no weird shit from a scifi novel | Mar 02 06:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | they were nuts, they offed themselves and their kids | Mar 02 06:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | dont bring global warming into it | Mar 02 06:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not relevant | Mar 02 06:16 |
| ender2070 | hey, if it wasnt on their suicide note fine | Mar 02 06:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | and I dont care if their note may or may not have mentioned it | Mar 02 06:16 |
| ender2070 | stop being a tool | Mar 02 06:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | and, btw, I dont know if it actually was | Mar 02 06:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | I have yet to see a photo of the note | Mar 02 06:16 |
| ender2070 | everyone who believes global warming is crazy | Mar 02 06:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: not at all | Mar 02 06:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | global warming does exist | Mar 02 06:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | as does global cooling | Mar 02 06:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | the planet runs on a semi-regular cycle | Mar 02 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | as does ManBearPig | Mar 02 06:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | the real issue is why the hell are we polluting so much | Mar 02 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, You DO believe in ManBearPig, right? | Mar 02 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Mar 02 06:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | it has nothing to do with global warming | Mar 02 06:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | it has to do with responsibility | Mar 02 06:17 |
| ender2070 | the issue with that story is that they believed in all the scaremongering | Mar 02 06:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | your fact doesnt trump my fact | Mar 02 06:17 |
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| Diablo-D3 | they were crazy. | Mar 02 06:17 |
| ender2070 | if photos are required as proof, then i want to see photos for EVERYTHING in the news | Mar 02 06:18 |
| DaemonFC | jono went on the hunt for ManBearPig with Al Gore so he could tell him all about Ubuntu | Mar 02 06:18 |
| DaemonFC | true story | Mar 02 06:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | see, I have that fact on my side here | Mar 02 06:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | THEY. WERE. CRAZY. | Mar 02 06:18 |
| jono | oh, that was confusing DaemonFC :-) | Mar 02 06:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | only crazy people shoot their kids and then themselves. | Mar 02 06:18 |
| ender2070 | lol | Mar 02 06:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | it doesnt matter if they worship at the alter of al gore | Mar 02 06:18 |
| ender2070 | ok whatever | Mar 02 06:18 |
| DaemonFC | jono, The South Park reference? | Mar 02 06:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | THEY. WERE. CRAZY. | Mar 02 06:18 |
| ender2070 | al gore was wrong anyways | Mar 02 06:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | thus, my fact trumps yours. | Mar 02 06:18 |
| ender2070 | no it doesnt | Mar 02 06:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | al gore was a politician | Mar 02 06:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | not a scientist. | Mar 02 06:19 |
| ender2070 | you dont believe my fact, thats fine | Mar 02 06:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, Im saying your fact isnt relevant | Mar 02 06:19 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/103669/?searchterm=Manbearpig | Mar 02 06:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | if someone does something crazy while crazy... THEY'RE STILL CRAZY | Mar 02 06:19 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Awareness of Manbearpig - Clips - South Park Studios .::. Size~: 113.56 KB | Mar 02 06:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | it doesn't somehow modify the state of their being crazy | Mar 02 06:19 |
| jono | DaemonFC, lol, sorry pal | Mar 02 06:19 |
| ender2070 | sure | Mar 02 06:19 |
| ender2070 | it shows that crazy people will believe the scare | Mar 02 06:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, crazy people do crazy things | Mar 02 06:19 |
| DaemonFC | jono, Agreed to use Lernid to inform the community of ManbearPig sightings in exchange for Ubuntu funding from Al Gore | Mar 02 06:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | crazy people voted for bush | Mar 02 06:20 |
| ender2070 | so you're saying they had no reason and that they lied on their note??? | Mar 02 06:20 |
| DaemonFC | it's an equitable situation | Mar 02 06:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | does that mean anything? no! they're still crazy at the end of the day! | Mar 02 06:20 |
| ender2070 | what proof do you have that they are liars? | Mar 02 06:20 |
| jono | DaemonFC, still making no sense to me :) | Mar 02 06:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: they had a "reason", their crazyness short circuited their sanity. | Mar 02 06:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: they're not liars, they're crazy | Mar 02 06:21 |
| ender2070 | are you a psychiatrist ? | Mar 02 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | jono, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ManBearPig | Mar 02 06:21 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: ManBearPig - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 29.01 KB | Mar 02 06:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | I don't need to be one to say only crazy people kill their families and then themselves. | Mar 02 06:21 |
| ender2070 | then shut the fuck up | Mar 02 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | South Park makes fun of Al Gore by making ManBearPig a threat to the world that he's trying to tell everyone about | Mar 02 06:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | Common sense will always prevail, ender2070 | Mar 02 06:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | You can't win. | Mar 02 06:21 |
| ender2070 | sir, you're Diablo-D3 | Mar 02 06:21 |
| ender2070 | half the shit you say is wrong anyways | Mar 02 06:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: okay then... they were model citizens and 100% sane? | Mar 02 06:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | is that what you're trying to tell me? | Mar 02 06:22 |
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| ender2070 | you aren't qualified to diagnose them | Mar 02 06:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'm qualified to say they were nuts. | Mar 02 06:23 |
| ender2070 | lol ok | Mar 02 06:23 |
| ender2070 | im qualified to say you're nuts | Mar 02 06:23 |
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| Diablo-D3 | Name one sane person who has killed their families and then themselves. | Mar 02 06:23 |
| DaemonFC | ok that's weird | Mar 02 06:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | In the hundreds of thousands of times this has happened in the history of the world, name one sane person who has done this. | Mar 02 06:24 |
| ender2070 | sane or insane, they had a reason | Mar 02 06:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | Yes, and since they were insane, their reason was illogical. | Mar 02 06:24 |
| ender2070 | people have done it due to poverty | Mar 02 06:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ergo, the reason doesn't need to be mentioned. | Mar 02 06:24 |
| ender2070 | covering it up | Mar 02 06:24 |
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| ender2070 | you don't know that the fear of global warming didn't MAKE them crazy | Mar 02 06:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | And thus, the Dailyfail only brought up the supposed global warming link to SCARE PEOPLE. | Mar 02 06:25 |
| ender2070 | 85% of people are retarded | Mar 02 06:25 |
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| Diablo-D3 | The Dailyfail is trying to scare people so they get more readers. | Mar 02 06:25 |
| ender2070 | the dialymail often covers news which has anti-globalwarming slants | Mar 02 06:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | Yes, because it sells issues. | Mar 02 06:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | If it stopped selling, then they'd stop doing it. | Mar 02 06:25 |
| ender2070 | i didnt buy their newspaper | Mar 02 06:25 |
| DaemonFC | uhhm jono....help! | Mar 02 06:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | No, but a lot of people do | Mar 02 06:26 |
| jono | DaemonFC, ? | Mar 02 06:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | A good front page headline sells. | Mar 02 06:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | yep and it's another divisive issue. which is very useful to distract from real problems | Mar 02 06:26 |
| ender2070 | more people buy into the faux climate change scare | Mar 02 06:26 |
| DaemonFC | jono Topic for #ubuntu-read-topic is: Your router is buggy 1) Please follow these instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit to FIX it (yes, it can be fixed) 2) after carrying out those instructions please type « test me » and wait few minutes | if this fails, type « /join #ubuntu-ops » to be tested manually | Mar 02 06:26 |
| DaemonFC | * Topic for #ubuntu-read-topic set by LjL at Fri Nov 7 13:14:49 2008 | Mar 02 06:26 |
| DaemonFC | <FloodBot1> DaemonFC: Hello, You can't « /join #ubuntu » because of a problem with your connection. Please type « /topic » and read the instructions. | Mar 02 06:26 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: FixDCCExploit - Community Ubuntu Documentation .::. Size~: 15.18 KB | Mar 02 06:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: more people buy into it BECAUSE of the dailyfail | Mar 02 06:26 |
| DaemonFC | this has never happened before | Mar 02 06:26 |
| jono | DaemonFC, no idea | Mar 02 06:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | so, if you think there is some vast conspiracy, then the dailyfail is most surely part of it. | Mar 02 06:26 |
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| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: who owns it | Mar 02 06:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: douchebag inc | Mar 02 06:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | Murdoch? | Mar 02 06:27 |
| ender2070 | they covered the fact that the head of the IPCC has 3 electric cars, lives a block away from work and still drives a gas guzzler there | Mar 02 06:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | well then , that's clear. | Mar 02 06:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | actually, Im not sure | Mar 02 06:27 |
| ender2070 | which is hypocritical | Mar 02 06:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: actually i looked it up the other day, i think. | Mar 02 06:27 |
| ender2070 | yet he tells people to take a bus | Mar 02 06:27 |
| ender2070 | they've also been exposing the IPCC's lies | Mar 02 06:27 |
| ender2070 | if they arent lies, why is the UN making another panel just to review the IPCC to make sure they arent lying before making public statements | Mar 02 06:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: its owned by daily mail, its published by associated newspapers | Mar 02 06:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | and associated newspapers is owned by daily mail | Mar 02 06:28 |
| ender2070 | if a news source attacks faux climate change, they are borderline tabloid | Mar 02 06:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail_and_General_Trust | Mar 02 06:29 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Daily Mail and General Trust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 106.01 KB | Mar 02 06:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: yup, them | Mar 02 06:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | so they're their own media conglomorate | Mar 02 06:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | the tabloid media focuses on confusion, division and distraction | Mar 02 06:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | murdoch pioneered it | Mar 02 06:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's very useful to his clients | Mar 02 06:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | yup | Mar 02 06:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | which is why I get to say dailyfail is the fox news of the UK | Mar 02 06:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | because it is | Mar 02 06:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | if ppl haven't figured out this is the role of tv, newspapers and hollywood yet, well.... it's a bit late | Mar 02 06:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | same disgusting tactics used the same disgusting ways | Mar 02 06:30 |
| ender2070 | i dont like fox news | Mar 02 06:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: then you dont like the dailyfail | Mar 02 06:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | so quit defending it | Mar 02 06:30 |
| ender2070 | but they do get it right | Mar 02 06:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: yes, but Murdoch shat all over uk media long before he owned FOX. | Mar 02 06:30 |
| ender2070 | often enough | Mar 02 06:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: people speak as if FOX is something new... | Mar 02 06:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: yeah murdoch is such a cunt | Mar 02 06:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, fox is the newest revision of the tactics | Mar 02 06:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: but of course it's very familiar to AUstralians and UK, because he destroyed their media decades ago | Mar 02 06:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: yes | Mar 02 06:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: exported to USA | Mar 02 06:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | why do you think hes so afraid of the internet? | Mar 02 06:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | he can't control us. | Mar 02 06:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | he should be afraid of the grim reaper | Mar 02 06:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | what a diabolically dangerous individual. | Mar 02 06:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | Dennis Potter said it best. He's a tumour. A cancer. | Mar 02 06:31 |
| ender2070 | lol | Mar 02 06:31 |
| ender2070 | no matter what I link though | Mar 02 06:32 |
| ender2070 | you'll find some label to apply to it | Mar 02 06:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | Potter knew what that was about. Cancer killed him. He called the tumour "Rupert." | Mar 02 06:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: most mass media stories _are_ bullshit | Mar 02 06:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Mar 02 06:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | of course they are | Mar 02 06:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | they're designed | Mar 02 06:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | to confuse, distract, divide | Mar 02 06:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | the current state of the USA is what you get after a few decades pummelling them with bullshit | Mar 02 06:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | they don't know which way is up | Mar 02 06:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | they think Canada is socialist | Mar 02 06:33 |
| ender2070 | Canada is | Mar 02 06:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | heh | Mar 02 06:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | no more than the US | Mar 02 06:33 |
| ender2070 | its not the evil socialist | Mar 02 06:34 |
| ender2070 | yet | Mar 02 06:34 |
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| Diablo-D3 | there ARE NO EVIL SOCIALISTS | Mar 02 06:34 |
| ender2070 | yes there are | Mar 02 06:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres also no such thing as a purely socialist government | Mar 02 06:34 |
| ender2070 | marxist socialsts | Mar 02 06:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: you mean Stalinists | Mar 02 06:34 |
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| ender2070 | marx talked about mass extermination too | Mar 02 06:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | marxism is communism goddamnit | Mar 02 06:35 |
| ender2070 | yes | Mar 02 06:35 |
| ender2070 | socialism = communism | Mar 02 06:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | _wow_ | Mar 02 06:35 |
| DaemonFC | some fucking idiot decided it would be funny to DCC flood me | Mar 02 06:35 |
| DaemonFC | which shouldn't work now | Mar 02 06:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: hmmmmmm | Mar 02 06:35 |
| ender2070 | USSR was communist right? | Mar 02 06:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: where did you get that equation from? | Mar 02 06:35 |
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| Diablo-D3 | I didnt know #GlennBeck went on IRC> | Mar 02 06:35 |
| ender2070 | USSR was communist right? | Mar 02 06:35 |
| ender2070 | look up the acronym | Mar 02 06:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: many americans think so | Mar 02 06:36 |
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| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: i have no need to look up the acronym | Mar 02 06:36 |
| DaemonFC | As Communist as any country that currently bears the name | Mar 02 06:36 |
| ender2070 | it has SOCIALIST in it | Mar 02 06:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: for more Beck-style acrostics, look up NSDP | Mar 02 06:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: so? | Mar 02 06:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | man, can we start saying Hitler also supported socalism? | Mar 02 06:36 |
| ender2070 | havent watched The Soviet Story yet I take it | Mar 02 06:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: exactly hehe | Mar 02 06:37 |
| ender2070 | Hitler did | Mar 02 06:37 |
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| DaemonFC | work camps, death camps, shooting people in the head, leaving them to starve and live in poverty | Mar 02 06:37 |
| ender2070 | The National Socialist Party | Mar 02 06:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: ...NSDP. | Mar 02 06:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | My middle name is Billionaire. | Mar 02 06:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | The form of socialism you speak up, ender2070, is where the government owns all businesses and provides all jobs | Mar 02 06:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | hasn't worked yet. | Mar 02 06:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | but it's there. | Mar 02 06:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | B. | Mar 02 06:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | Its the opposite of the free market in most senses. | Mar 02 06:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | This does not mean the government owning a small handful of businesses means the government is socialist | Mar 02 06:38 |
| ender2070 | you can also have socialism where big corporations play with the government | Mar 02 06:38 |
| ender2070 | ie, banks, big business | Mar 02 06:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: nope | Mar 02 06:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats not actually socalism | Mar 02 06:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats degenerate capitalism to be more correct | Mar 02 06:39 |
| ender2070 | more labels | Mar 02 06:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | the government "playing" with big business isn't directly bad | Mar 02 06:40 |
| ender2070 | banks love socialism, its easier to get money from a government than trying to get it from individuals | Mar 02 06:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | the government needs to ensure a fair and level paying field for all businesses | Mar 02 06:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: banks are comprised of individuals. | Mar 02 06:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: the same individuals have also figured out War is another fast way to move money from public to private hands. | Mar 02 06:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | this requires the input of all companies in any given field or industry, and sometimes, yes, big businesses become overrepresented | Mar 02 06:40 |
| ender2070 | banks run the world | Mar 02 06:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | this doesnt mean its socailism | Mar 02 06:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | it means the people need to speak up more often | Mar 02 06:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | and no, banks don't run the world. | Mar 02 06:41 |
| ender2070 | ugh, ignore | Mar 02 06:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: it's the individuals behind that matter. not the banks per se. because it's not only banks that are the funnels for public money. mil/arms industry is another | Mar 02 06:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: just ignore him | Mar 02 06:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: and quite a few others | Mar 02 06:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes off his meds again | Mar 02 06:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's just a misdirection to focus on banks. | Mar 02 06:41 |
| ender2070 | look, furnaceboy | Mar 02 06:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | deflects attention from the real issues | Mar 02 06:42 |
| ender2070 | i'd recommend seeing the soviet story, stop listening to me | Mar 02 06:42 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, Someone is crapflooding people in #ubuntu with malformed DCC requests | Mar 02 06:42 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 02 06:42 |
| ender2070 | im probably interjecting with knowledge i picked up elsewhere | Mar 02 06:42 |
| DaemonFC | jono, That's what's going on in there | Mar 02 06:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | regulate the banks, you only squeeze the balloon. arms industry is a huge funnel for your money | Mar 02 06:42 |
| ender2070 | the soviet story is as clear as can be, its funded by the european parliment. its not a conspiracy movie. | Mar 02 06:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | has been for centuries | Mar 02 06:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: you can't believe 'the banks' are the whole problem, surely | Mar 02 06:43 |
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| ender2070 | money is the root of all evil in this world | Mar 02 06:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | no, evil is the root of all evil.. | Mar 02 06:43 |
| ender2070 | no | Mar 02 06:43 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, I guess I don't see why people shouldn't work for what they get. This assumes that they can find work and make a meaningful income at it though and that's far from guaranteed. | Mar 02 06:43 |
| ender2070 | people will commit evil, for money | Mar 02 06:43 |
| DaemonFC | The welfare state is a necessary evil I guess | Mar 02 06:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: sometimes not for money. | Mar 02 06:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: how do you explain that? :) | Mar 02 06:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: sometimes for no good reason at all. | Mar 02 06:44 |
| ender2070 | money plans into almost all of it | Mar 02 06:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: often, yes. | Mar 02 06:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: that's the dominant culture | Mar 02 06:44 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, The problem with the argument for capitalism is not asking people to work, it's implying that most people can expect to work and break even | Mar 02 06:45 |
| ender2070 | anyone who wants power can't do it without money either | Mar 02 06:45 |
| DaemonFC | It's a little silly to call people freeloaders if they've been honestly trying for a year and still have nothing | Mar 02 06:45 |
| ender2070 | im also sure that the richest person in the world wants to own it | Mar 02 06:46 |
| ender2070 | human nature | Mar 02 06:46 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, You'd think that a certain amount of money would be "enough". Like if I had $50 billion dollars, I'd give away at least $49 billion of it before I died | Mar 02 06:47 |
| ender2070 | one time in my life i was heavily left wing, even considered myself a communist | Mar 02 06:47 |
| DaemonFC | cash hoarding is a disgusting think billionaires do | Mar 02 06:47 |
| DaemonFC | *thing | Mar 02 06:47 |
| ender2070 | then i stopped watching tv and following the mass media | Mar 02 06:47 |
| ender2070 | started thinking for myself | Mar 02 06:48 |
| ender2070 | went over history | Mar 02 06:48 |
| DaemonFC | I couldn't live with myself to have $50 billion just sitting there while people freeze and starve to death every day | Mar 02 06:48 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know how Gates sleeps at night just over that | Mar 02 06:48 |
| ender2070 | i only have a few years of research to back myself up on | Mar 02 06:48 |
| ender2070 | i used to hope for a one world government | Mar 02 06:49 |
| ender2070 | i had faith in politics | Mar 02 06:49 |
| DaemonFC | that would just be one all powerful evil empire instead of several | Mar 02 06:49 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 02 06:49 |
| ender2070 | i had faith in politics | Mar 02 06:49 |
| ender2070 | :) | Mar 02 06:49 |
| ender2070 | lol | Mar 02 06:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/9790602868 | Mar 02 06:50 |
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| DaemonFC | ender2070, It's best to leave the governments fractured and arguing | Mar 02 06:50 |
| DaemonFC | they put a check on each other sometimes | Mar 02 06:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: he doesn't lose sleep over it. after all, he stole it in the first place. he's a sociopath. | Mar 02 06:50 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, I'd live very comfortably on't get me wrong, but I would refuse to die with $50 billion left | Mar 02 06:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: i am not sure you understand how deeply psychotic he is | Mar 02 06:51 |
| DaemonFC | I'd probably take about 1% of that and live my life on it | Mar 02 06:52 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, You'd have to be truly evil to hoard that much of an excess of cash while people starve and freeze to death every day | Mar 02 06:53 |
| DaemonFC | truly wicked | Mar 02 06:53 |
| ender2070 | psychopaths dont give a shit | Mar 02 06:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | what about stealing it in the first place? | Mar 02 06:53 |
| ender2070 | no empathy | Mar 02 06:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | right. | Mar 02 06:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | he's a crazy man | Mar 02 06:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | one of the finest criminal minds alive | Mar 02 06:53 |
| ender2070 | nah | Mar 02 06:53 |
| ender2070 | not at all | Mar 02 06:54 |
| DaemonFC | I'd put most of that into homeless shelters | Mar 02 06:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | in my opinion | Mar 02 06:54 |
| ender2070 | the smart criminals dont get caught | Mar 02 06:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: he hasn't been caught. | Mar 02 06:54 |
| DaemonFC | beds and hot meals for people that had nothing | Mar 02 06:54 |
| ender2070 | you know about his crimes | Mar 02 06:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: he has done an end run around the USA and the EU. | Mar 02 06:54 |
| ender2070 | therefor hes not that smart | Mar 02 06:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: that I know, doesn't bother him. | Mar 02 06:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: jail would. | Mar 02 06:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: no, he's won, so far. | Mar 02 06:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: got away clean | Mar 02 06:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: controls the media | Mar 02 06:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: Arianna Huffington, even | Mar 02 06:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | she must like the smell of money | Mar 02 06:55 |
| DaemonFC | I don't have a hell of a lot right now, but I'm not stealing from anybody and I'm not lying to anyone | Mar 02 06:55 |
| ender2070 | i dont think he owns canada's media | Mar 02 06:55 |
| ender2070 | but | Mar 02 06:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: right.you can't do waht Gates has done with these principles. | Mar 02 06:55 |
| ender2070 | one person owns that too | Mar 02 06:55 |
| DaemonFC | and I'm thankful that my situation is not as bad as it could be | Mar 02 06:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: it doesn't matter. | Mar 02 06:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: i don't mean literally 'owns'. | Mar 02 06:56 |
| ender2070 | well in canada, its literal | Mar 02 06:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: but he owns public opinion | Mar 02 06:56 |
| ender2070 | i know one company owns all our newspapers | Mar 02 06:56 |
| ender2070 | canwest | Mar 02 06:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: that's what the Foundation is about. reputation laundering. people have fallen for it. | Mar 02 06:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: it's also about more social and environmental destruction | Mar 02 06:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: win win | Mar 02 06:56 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, Being broke and living that way gives you an appreciation for every thing you have | Mar 02 06:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: certainly. | Mar 02 06:57 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think rich people look at one thing they have and say "I'm so lucky I have that" | Mar 02 06:57 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - they look at it and say "I want a better one" | Mar 02 06:57 |
| DaemonFC | exactly | Mar 02 06:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: I should start a foundation | Mar 02 06:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | the motto should be "Do only evil" | Mar 02 06:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: the nick is a good start :) | Mar 02 06:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it'll pretend to do lots of evil shit | Mar 02 06:58 |
| ender2070 | "my mercades isn't shiny enough, it needs gold rims" | Mar 02 06:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | while saving the world secretly | Mar 02 06:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: hahahahahahahaaha | Mar 02 06:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: very good | Mar 02 06:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | no one would know! | Mar 02 06:58 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not a negative person, I just have a dark, sarcastic, sometimes perverted sense of humor | Mar 02 06:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: maybe that's George Soros, he *looks* like a villain ! | Mar 02 06:58 |
| DaemonFC | but I'm not as negative as I probably come off | Mar 02 06:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: not tonight. tonight you're drunk and soppy. shut up! | Mar 02 06:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | eh, george soros is kinda harmless | Mar 02 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, I haven't slept in two days | Mar 02 06:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: i don't have a problem with Soros. just that he looks villainous! | Mar 02 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | that's as good as drunk | Mar 02 06:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: Davros, if you swing that way culturally | Mar 02 06:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah he does doesnt he | Mar 02 06:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | Davros was always my gold standard villain | Mar 02 06:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, but WHICH davros | Mar 02 06:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres been at least two | Mar 02 06:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: true. delirious. so sleep, damn it | Mar 02 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, When my download is done | Mar 02 07:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: hm, ... i guess the black leather jacket one ... Baker era | Mar 02 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | do you know what I had to do to FIND this? | Mar 02 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 02 07:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: can't remember the other one | Mar 02 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | I sleep when it's 100% | Mar 02 07:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | black vinyl, i guess | Mar 02 07:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, hes re-appeared in the new dr who | Mar 02 07:00 |
| ender2070 | i think i should start using the faux climate change scam to make a few bucks too, ill offer "green" webhosting or something | Mar 02 07:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: really? hm... wonder what he looks like | Mar 02 07:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | at least, from what Ive heard | Mar 02 07:00 |
| ender2070 | lolz | Mar 02 07:00 |
| *FurnaceBoy doesn't do new Who | Mar 02 07:00 | |
| Diablo-D3 | I sort of quit watching dr who at some point | Mar 02 07:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | and Ive only seen bits and pieces of the really old shit | Mar 02 07:01 |
| ender2070 | "sure its more expensive than everyone, its green!" | Mar 02 07:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: yeah for me, maybe 1985? :) | Mar 02 07:01 |
| ender2070 | :D :D :D | Mar 02 07:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | I know more about dr who than Ive seen | Mar 02 07:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: I'm a Blake's 7 fan | Mar 02 07:01 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't like Dr. Who period. They tried to make an American Dr. Who series and it never got past the pilot. | Mar 02 07:01 |
| ender2070 | ".... cause we use powertop....." | Mar 02 07:01 |
| DaemonFC | It was so so | Mar 02 07:01 |
| ender2070 | lol | Mar 02 07:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: how old are you? | Mar 02 07:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: how do you feel about Western Digital 'Green' drives | Mar 02 07:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: Oooooold | Mar 02 07:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: old enough to have a daughter finishing high school | Mar 02 07:02 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Mar 02 07:02 |
| DaemonFC | whoa | Mar 02 07:02 |
| ender2070 | scam | Mar 02 07:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: lol... wait... do you? | Mar 02 07:02 |
| ender2070 | dude, all the green pc hardware is a scam | Mar 02 07:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw | Mar 02 07:02 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, 40s? | Mar 02 07:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | wd green isnt a "scam" | Mar 02 07:02 |
| ender2070 | software settings doesn't = green | Mar 02 07:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: yeah i am probably older than many here | Mar 02 07:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're just trading power usage for performance | Mar 02 07:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | wd green competes with samsung, basically | Mar 02 07:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | yeah i am happier to run a slower rpm, i don't need the speed at all for what i use them for | Mar 02 07:03 |
| ender2070 | Canada just put new laws on the books that require "green" products to scientifically prove it | Mar 02 07:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: they are greener | Mar 02 07:03 |
| ender2070 | so ill see the dlink stuff get relabled soon | Mar 02 07:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | they use less power, output less heat | Mar 02 07:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: heheheh | Mar 02 07:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: that's a good thing imho | Mar 02 07:03 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, Good for Canada. They need power use benchmarks. | Mar 02 07:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | but you pay for that in performance | Mar 02 07:03 |
| ender2070 | yes | Mar 02 07:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres no trickery going on | Mar 02 07:03 |
| DaemonFC | Don't you guys have anything like Energy Star? | Mar 02 07:03 |
| ender2070 | yes | Mar 02 07:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | its just a trade you make at purchase time | Mar 02 07:04 |
| ender2070 | energy star doesn't = green either | Mar 02 07:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | energy star == minimum required greeness | Mar 02 07:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: aiui, Energy Star was watered down | Mar 02 07:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | to meaninglessness | Mar 02 07:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: imo no | Mar 02 07:04 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, The new Energy Star TV standards are pretty tight | Mar 02 07:04 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Mar 02 07:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: no? | Mar 02 07:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | it just isnt as strong as it used to be | Mar 02 07:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | hm | Mar 02 07:04 |
| ender2070 | energy star just covers toxic additives iirc | Mar 02 07:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | devices are becoming greener faster than energy star can require them to be green | Mar 02 07:04 |
| DaemonFC | California's requirements are tighter than Energy Star 3 though | Mar 02 07:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: no | Mar 02 07:04 |
| ender2070 | lead, and shit like that | Mar 02 07:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | many classes of devices have maximum power usage | Mar 02 07:04 |
| DaemonFC | so oyu're goin to see many less Plasma TVs | Mar 02 07:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | since the 90s, power usage for average shit has gone down a lot | Mar 02 07:05 |
| ender2070 | plasma sucks | Mar 02 07:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | my old sony 27" trinitron used as much power as my 42" LCD does now | Mar 02 07:05 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, LED would be optimal, right? | Mar 02 07:05 |
| DaemonFC | power wise | Mar 02 07:05 |
| ender2070 | they're LCD aren't they? | Mar 02 07:05 |
| DaemonFC | there's LED too | Mar 02 07:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | my 42" is 2 years old, my 27" is 16. | Mar 02 07:06 |
| ender2070 | i know plasma looks awesome, but it uses consumables | Mar 02 07:06 |
| DaemonFC | I would think LED beats LCS cause no backlight on the LEDs | Mar 02 07:06 |
| DaemonFC | *LCD | Mar 02 07:06 |
| ender2070 | i've only seen LCD's | Mar 02 07:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | Spirit rover may move again. after winter. if it doesn't die in winter. | Mar 02 07:06 |
| ender2070 | they have backlights that need to be replaced, but its cheaper than plasma | Mar 02 07:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | they shifted it 34cm and had to stop. | Mar 02 07:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: NICE | Mar 02 07:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im very glad spirit isnt dead yet | Mar 02 07:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: yeah. hope it survives the cold. | Mar 02 07:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, plasma is basically a dead tech | Mar 02 07:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes | Mar 02 07:07 |
| ender2070 | california has a wicked law requiring labeling of lead based products | Mar 02 07:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: oh boy, CPSIA | Mar 02 07:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: it's devastating | Mar 02 07:07 |
| ender2070 | CPSIA? | Mar 02 07:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | toshiba's 120hz tech can make an LCD with variable output backlights look like a plasma | Mar 02 07:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | (as opposed to what sony/samsung do, which is ugly as fuck and makes it look all weird) | Mar 02 07:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, the tech is software related | Mar 02 07:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, "processing" related | Mar 02 07:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | just in general you could kill a few weeks on this site. http://overlawyered.com/ | Mar 02 07:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | it works with any 120hz panel, obviously | Mar 02 07:09 |
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| ender2070 | whats that have to do with lead | Mar 02 07:09 |
| ender2070 | besides lawsuits | Mar 02 07:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: this CPSIA http://overlawyered.com/tag/cpsia/ | Mar 02 07:09 |
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| Diablo-D3 | but yeah | Mar 02 07:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | plasma's big thing was motion | Mar 02 07:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: it's crazy | Mar 02 07:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | plasma already exceeded usable black levels a long while ago | Mar 02 07:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: e.g. http://overlawyered.com/2010/01/cpsc-reports-to-congress-on-cpsia/ | Mar 02 07:10 |
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| Diablo-D3 | anything below 80 nits in ye average dark viewing environment is MOOOORE than enough if you maintain useful contrast | Mar 02 07:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | "Mattel and Hasbro are fine with the law that is wiping out many of their smaller competitors" | Mar 02 07:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | another corporate-driven law. | Mar 02 07:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | and here's a beautiful illustration of what happens: http://overlawyered.com/2010/01/cpsia-unintended-consequences-dept/ | Mar 02 07:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | I actually turned the black level UP on my TV when I calibrated it | Mar 02 07:11 |
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| ender2070 | are you trying to say lead isn't bad? | Mar 02 07:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: lunacy sheer lunacy http://overlawyered.com/2009/11/cpsias-ban-on-brass/ | Mar 02 07:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: no | Mar 02 07:12 |
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| Diablo-D3 | I had to lower the contrast ratio because it exceeded whats useful for sRGB/bt709 | Mar 02 07:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | 1000:1 is sort of the sweet spot | Mar 02 07:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: there's a question of lead, and a question of bad law. this law is more about lobbying than public interest, looks to me. | Mar 02 07:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | anything higher and it leads to excessive eye fatigue | Mar 02 07:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: I am sure Canada regulates lead without this kind of insanity | Mar 02 07:12 |
| *Diablo-D3 knows too much about TVs :< | Mar 02 07:12 | |
| ender2070 | banning lead seems like a good idea though | Mar 02 07:13 |
| ender2070 | it shouldn't be in children's toys | Mar 02 07:13 |
| ender2070 | its been linked to ADHD and other disorders | Mar 02 07:13 |
| ender2070 | lol, certain chinese manufacturers replaced lead with radium | Mar 02 07:15 |
| ender2070 | just as toxic, or more | Mar 02 07:15 |
| ender2070 | but not illegal | Mar 02 07:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | actually, it may actually be illegal | Mar 02 07:17 |
| ender2070 | I wish they would start regulating flouride | Mar 02 07:19 |
| schestowitz | " @schestowitz: http://bit.ly/arqTVV There are no Mono dependencies of Mupen64Plus, please examine the public C source if you like. " http://twitter.com/DaemonFC/statuses/9836301738 | Mar 02 07:24 |
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| DaemonFC | yeah, that's what I said | Mar 02 07:25 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Mar 02 07:25 |
| DaemonFC | I just don't see how that app is Mono when nothing it depends on to run and do the job needs Mono | Mar 02 07:25 |
| DaemonFC | apparently there's some completely separate C#-ish front-end that it doesn't even bring in | Mar 02 07:26 |
| ender2070 | thats probably what he had | Mar 02 07:26 |
| DaemonFC | if he did it's because he installed it manually, himself, as a separate package | Mar 02 07:27 |
| ender2070 | the screenshot is pretty convincing | Mar 02 07:27 |
| DaemonFC | it's complete all by itself so I have no idea what that alternative front-end is for | Mar 02 07:28 |
| ender2070 | the alternative front end is to increase mono dependancy | Mar 02 07:31 |
| ender2070 | ;) | Mar 02 07:31 |
| DaemonFC | oh obviously | Mar 02 07:33 |
| DaemonFC | even if they didn't write it | Mar 02 07:34 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 02 07:34 |
| DaemonFC | come to think of it I can't even find this alleged front-end :P | Mar 02 07:36 |
| DaemonFC | the only other packages are for debugging and say they're C++ | Mar 02 07:37 |
| ender2070 | so what is he talking about | Mar 02 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | beats me | Mar 02 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | probably nothing | Mar 02 07:37 |
| ender2070 | probably looks bad to be repeating such false info | Mar 02 07:38 |
| DaemonFC | the only thing you find in a search regaring mupin64plus and mono is some jackass wrote a front end to it for Windows in .Net using Windows Presentation Foundation and says it's impossible to port that to Mono because it has no WPF support | Mar 02 07:41 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Mar 02 07:41 |
| DaemonFC | so not only is mupin64plus C and C++ only, Mono is too technically deficient to support porting of the WPF-based front-end that some guy did up for Windows | Mar 02 07:42 |
| DaemonFC | I think the mupin64plus mono myth is busted | Mar 02 07:42 |
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| ender2070 | BACON | Mar 02 08:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | BAAAACXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON | Mar 02 08:38 |
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| tessier__ | http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=2817&blogid=14 | Mar 02 08:58 |
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| tessier__ | Cry me a frickin' river! | Mar 02 08:58 |
| tessier__ | Boo-frickin-hoo! | Mar 02 08:58 |
| tessier__ | MS is crying to DOJ and about lock-in and network effects?! | Mar 02 08:58 |
| ender2070 | lol | Mar 02 09:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | I... what? | Mar 02 09:26 |
| *Diablo-D3 is confused. | Mar 02 09:26 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/SCO-vs-Linux-Darl-McBride-set-to-buy-SCO-s-mobile-arm-942426.html Let the asset strip mining begin. | Mar 02 09:39 |
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| schestowitz | "We elect cartoons" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVap_bgJQOs&feature=sub | Mar 02 09:49 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, Groklaw covered it | Mar 02 09:51 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Co-worker just said 'you need to rem that out'.. memories of sinclair speccy days.. everyone calls it 'remmed out' don' they? | Mar 02 10:39 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Irish town snubs Israeli ambassador for wholesale disregard for international law http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8544642.stm | Mar 02 10:40 | |
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| oiaohm | Hmm that is a interesting question. With how stuffed a lot of election systems are could a cartoon char truly win. | Mar 02 10:40 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Sad State of the British Technology Press http://ur1.ca/o3tm #BBC #TheInquirer #TheRegister #microsoft #FreeformDynamics | Mar 02 11:05 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] 1.5TB ext disk from Maplin http://is.gd/9wb4m I bought two of these last month and am very happy with them | Mar 02 11:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #VeraCode argues that #Freesoftware is superior from the point of view of #security http://ur1.ca/o3w1 #dod #foss | Mar 02 11:17 | |
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| oiaohm | Thinking Open source gets called more secure. Yet there are a lot of things left that can improve it. | Mar 02 12:13 |
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| Diablo-D3 | http://i49.tinypic.com/2ztm0yt.png | Mar 02 12:17 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] The truth about #DRM http://ur1.ca/o43x #douchebags | Mar 02 12:17 | |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 02 12:19 |
| schestowitz | [12:13] <oiaohm> Thinking Open source gets called more secure. Yet there are a lot of things left that can improve it. | Mar 02 12:19 |
| schestowitz | Of course. | Mar 02 12:19 |
| schestowitz | Huge image | Mar 02 12:20 |
| schestowitz | Beranger tried the DRM book experiment | Mar 02 12:20 |
| schestowitz | He cussed like no time before | Mar 02 12:20 |
| oiaohm | From secuirty point of view. Coding auditing can be improved a lot. | Mar 02 12:21 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #GM finds fault with over a million cars, I bet #Congress and #Media doesn't say a word like they did to pro-US #Toyota http://ur1.ca/o43z | Mar 02 12:22 | |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: depends on the project | Mar 02 12:36 |
| schestowitz | Sweeping statements there | Mar 02 12:36 |
| schestowitz | Linux!=some obscure project | Mar 02 12:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC News - NHS IT deal 'stitch up' claim by Conservatives http://tinyurl.com/yzch4re | Mar 02 12:38 | |
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| oiaohm | To be correct code auditing by compliers can be improved a lot. schestowitz | Mar 02 12:39 |
| oiaohm | Basically the secuirty of the system starts with the the tools you build it with. | Mar 02 12:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s Extortion Battle Against #GNU #Linux and Lawsuits by Proxy Against #Google http://ur1.ca/o46k #amazon #yahoo | Mar 02 12:50 | |
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| oiaohm | Hmm interesting a perf project has turned up to allow profiling from host threw guest in kvm. So enable locating what ever caused the lag. | Mar 02 12:59 |
| schestowitz | I'm really liking Konqueror so far | Mar 02 13:01 |
| schestowitz | I used it in ~2002 for the first time | Mar 02 13:01 |
| schestowitz | Then a lot in 2004 | Mar 02 13:01 |
| schestowitz | Then came Mozilla dn Firefox | Mar 02 13:01 |
| schestowitz | But it's very powerful now and takes up about 50% the RAM Firefox does. | Mar 02 13:02 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Salesforce CEO: Microsoft is “Somewhat Disgusting”; #Microsoft Smears of #FreeSoftware Carry on http://ur1.ca/o48h | Mar 02 13:19 | |
| schestowitz | tessier: ping | Mar 02 13:20 |
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| schestowitz | I think it's a server load issue, but maybe a caching thing again | Mar 02 13:21 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] MySQL vs PostgreSQL http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/MySQL_vs_PostgreSQL #mysql #postgresql #foss | Mar 02 13:45 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Dioxygen Difluride sounds #awesome http://ur1.ca/ne4d !science (read the whole blog category archive too, its full of awesome) | Mar 02 14:02 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] pizzaa!!! screw dieting :D RT: @sup3rkiddo: Three types of Pakoda went in - Chicken, Cauliflower, Mundiri... Screw dieting.. | Mar 02 14:17 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1594325/google-makes-snaps-decision | Mar 02 14:20 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @eduvid MySQL vs PostgreSQL http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/MySQL_vs_PostgreSQL #mysql #postgresql #foss | Mar 02 14:21 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] "After Monday & Tuesday even the calendar says W T F..." ~ Unknown #quotes via @shivaranjan | Mar 02 14:22 | |
| Jose_X | schestowitz, hey, nice discussion and analysis by Rob Weir. Also, look at the comment on LT http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010030102535NWMS | Mar 02 14:23 |
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| Jose_X | I'll quote it here. | Mar 02 14:23 |
| Jose_X | ***** | Mar 02 14:23 |
| Jose_X | Wow! | Mar 02 14:23 |
| Jose_X | Who'd thought they could screw up so much with so little yet so much on the line! | Mar 02 14:23 |
| Jose_X | Microsoft has billions riding here (look at the fines they had to pay). | Mar 02 14:23 |
| Jose_X | Microsoft releases a tiny portion of open source (the javascript code). | Mar 02 14:23 |
| Jose_X | Microsoft screws it all up within this tiny bit of code they revealed, and the screw up is in a way that is very sensitive to competition in what is an anticompetition requirement in a high stakes game. | Mar 02 14:23 |
| Jose_X | Wow! | Mar 02 14:23 |
| Jose_X | Now, imagine if Microsoft would release, not a few lines, but all tens/hundreds of millions of lines hiding out in the rest of their product line. What kinds of anticompetitive and other messes are hiding out in there, in that code they purposely have chosen not to reveal? | Mar 02 14:23 |
| Jose_X | Wow! | Mar 02 14:23 |
| Jose_X | Anyone need another reason to demand open source from Microsoft? | Mar 02 14:23 |
| Jose_X | [Kudos to Rob W's pair of eyeballs.] | Mar 02 14:23 |
| Jose_X | ***** | Mar 02 14:23 |
| Jose_X | I'll be back later... | Mar 02 14:24 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patents Roundup: H.264, ‘Innovation Alliance’, and #Microsoft ’s Patent #Racketeering http://ur1.ca/o4ev #swpat #abuse | Mar 02 14:32 | |
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| cubezzz | why bother with Microsoft? | Mar 02 14:50 |
| cubezzz | there's no reason | Mar 02 14:52 |
| cubezzz | don't trust them, don't use them | Mar 02 14:52 |
| cubezzz | simple | Mar 02 14:52 |
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| schestowitz | Not as you put it | Mar 02 15:13 |
| schestowitz | A lot of people cannot avoid using them | Mar 02 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Saddled to new PCs | Mar 02 15:13 |
| sebsebseb | Mar 02 15:13 | |
| schestowitz | Office attachment sent by E-mails by others | Mar 02 15:13 |
| cubezzz | I agree there are difficulties, but it is worth the effort | Mar 02 15:13 |
| *schestowitz thinks sebsebseb ran out of ink | Mar 02 15:14 | |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: :D :) | Mar 02 15:14 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, the fact that I am installing fedora quite often for my customers is a huge change | Mar 02 15:16 |
| cubezzz | around about the year 2000 it was almost 100% doze | Mar 02 15:16 |
| cubezzz | and because of my efforts most of my family uses Linux | Mar 02 15:17 |
| cubezzz | either way they needed help, with Linux or doze | Mar 02 15:17 |
| cubezzz | now things are great, almost every room in the house as a Linux computer or device | Mar 02 15:18 |
| cubezzz | that is a major change :) | Mar 02 15:18 |
| cubezzz | I am very happy I can, if I choose, compile all my device drivers | Mar 02 15:19 |
| cubezzz | in addition to all that, my ISP runs Linux :) | Mar 02 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Not just yours | Mar 02 15:28 |
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| Omar87 | Hi guys. | Mar 02 15:38 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Mar 02 15:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Wants to Capture Education, Healthcare, and Citizen IDs; Uses #GoldmanSachs Event http://ur1.ca/o4m7 | Mar 02 15:39 | |
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| schestowitz | I've just published something about Jordan | Mar 02 15:39 |
| Omar87 | Those idiots at Amazon had taken the worst decision in the life of their company ever. | Mar 02 15:39 |
| schestowitz | See above | Mar 02 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: depends. | Mar 02 15:39 |
| schestowitz | it's a good decision for their managers at present | Mar 02 15:39 |
| schestowitz | They serve their former employer | Mar 02 15:39 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, They and M$ are getting married! | Mar 02 15:40 |
| schestowitz | "I couldn't agree more with those sentiments. #theregister is bottom-of-the-barrel nowadays. @schestowitz" http://twitter.com/MrDavidOcelot/statuses/9874881541 | Mar 02 15:40 |
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| schestowitz | The Register too | Mar 02 15:40 |
| Omar87 | Kindle will be running Vista 7. | Mar 02 15:40 |
| schestowitz | Gavin & Ballmer | Mar 02 15:40 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, I gotta go now | Mar 02 15:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | [10:31:42] <Omar87> Those idiots at Amazon had taken the worst decision in the life of their company ever. | Mar 02 15:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | what did they do now? | Mar 02 15:40 |
| Omar87 | Diablo-D3, , They and M$ are getting married! | Mar 02 15:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | .... | Mar 02 15:41 |
| Omar87 | Diablo-D3, Kindle will be running Vista 7. | Mar 02 15:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | I don't really see that happening | Mar 02 15:41 |
| Omar87 | http://www.daniweb.com/news/story263692.html# | Mar 02 15:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | the kindle COULD run winmo | Mar 02 15:41 |
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| Diablo-D3 | this sounds like a lot of bullshit | Mar 02 15:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | the kindle cant run "real" operating systems | Mar 02 15:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | the hardware is the same as an iphone | Mar 02 15:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a "decent" ARM combined with very little memory and storage | Mar 02 15:42 |
| schestowitz | bbl, I think I managed to make FF obsolete for me (just thunderbrose and Konqueror) | Mar 02 15:44 |
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| cubezzz | sounds rather bad actually | Mar 02 15:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @EricPooley Gowanus Canal : Superfund site http://j.mp/EPAcan /"repository of sewage&runoff 4 over100 yrs" yet Bloomberg opposed cleanup | Mar 02 15:49 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Google takes you one step closer to the Cloud : http://bit.ly/9VCSQr | Mar 02 15:52 | |
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| Omar87 | Diablo-D3, it seems Amazon wants their lump of plastic and silicon to run apps instead of just displaying e-books. | Mar 02 15:56 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: thunderbrose? | Mar 02 15:56 |
| sebsebseb | bird | Mar 02 15:56 |
| sebsebseb | why calling it brose? | Mar 02 15:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | Omar87: I doubt that will really happen | Mar 02 15:57 |
| zoobab | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_SlGTNj4vY | Mar 02 15:58 |
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| Omar87 | Diablo-D3, I hope so. | Mar 02 15:58 |
| Omar87 | Diablo-D3, I hated the article I just gave you, btw. Specifically when he called us "Anti-Microsoft radicals". | Mar 02 15:59 |
| Omar87 | Such an ignorant idiot.. | Mar 02 16:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | ironic since microsoft is the radical | Mar 02 16:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | they decided not to go with unix when everybody else did | Mar 02 16:00 |
| Omar87 | Diablo-D3, see? That's what I mean by "Such an ignorant idtiot". :-) | Mar 02 16:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im just agreeing with you | Mar 02 16:02 |
| Omar87 | I know. | Mar 02 16:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Ubuntu Opportunistic Developer Week Day 2 Kicks Off! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpportunisticDeveloperWeek #ubuntu | Mar 02 16:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] FOSS is a way of living and its now in our blood. #foss | Mar 02 16:43 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Remastersys is the cool and one click way to create ubuntu remix, new distro. will make my own distro by end of this month.#SchoolOS #ubuntu | Mar 02 16:44 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] slurp!!! Today's dinner: Thin crust veg extravaganza pizza + garlic breadsticks with cheese dip + hot choco lava cake+sprite :D | Mar 02 17:07 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] http://www.flickr.com/photos/iain/4401108429/ | Mar 02 17:38 | |
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| bruce89 | Apple won't be pleased until everyone is controlled by them and their patent trolls | Mar 02 17:54 |
| tessier | schestowitz: You rang? | Mar 02 18:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Petition UK govt to create world's largest Marine Protected Area--Ocean ecosystems are in crisis! http://avaaz.org/en/save_our_oceans/?vl | Mar 02 18:22 | |
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| Omar87 | Anyone heard Bill Gates' speech at TED recently? | Mar 02 18:22 |
| Omar87 | He kind of stated that people should take the vaccines to reduce population. Or something like that. | Mar 02 18:23 |
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| FurnaceBoy | Omar87: yes | Mar 02 18:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | Omar87: freudian slip, supposedly | Mar 02 18:31 |
| Omar87 | FurnaceBoy, freudian slip? | Mar 02 18:33 |
| Omar87 | FurnaceBoy, what's a freudian slip? | Mar 02 18:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | Omar87: an apparently accidental slip which may have origins in the subconscious | Mar 02 18:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | Omar87: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freudian_slip | Mar 02 18:36 |
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| FurnaceBoy | A Freudian slip, or parapraxis, is an error in speech, memory, or physical action that is interpreted as occurring due to the interference of some unconscious ('dynamically repressed') wish, conflict, or train of thought. | Mar 02 18:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | "I [Freud] pointed out that these phenomena are not accidental, that they require more than physiological explanations, that they have a meaning and can be interpreted, and that one is justified in inferring from them the presence of restrained or repressed intentions and intentions. " | Mar 02 18:37 |
| Omar87 | FurnaceBoy, Oh, I don't think it's a slip at all. Bill Gates is, in fact, a money hungry criminal who should have his testicles removed from their place. | Mar 02 18:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | Omar87: of course | Mar 02 18:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | Omar87: he's a psychotic who in all probability fully means to cull the population | Mar 02 18:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | Omar87: that's really the point here | Mar 02 18:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | Omar87: the problem is, he's not widely seen for what he is | Mar 02 18:39 |
| Omar87 | FurnaceBoy, That's the worst part of it all. | Mar 02 18:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | Omar87: most people will excuse this as a slip of the tongue. the more reflective will see it as a Freudian slip. | Mar 02 18:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | Omar87: yes | Mar 02 18:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | stand by to be called a conspiracy theorist, a tinfoil hatter, for questioning gates' motives and actions... | Mar 02 18:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | bizarro world | Mar 02 18:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes, gates, uber-thief, will save us | Mar 02 18:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | from what exactly? | Mar 02 18:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | he'll save us from having open standards and owning our ideas and data. | Mar 02 18:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | he'll save us from having choice | Mar 02 18:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | he'll save us by destroying us | Mar 02 18:41 |
| Omar87 | FurnaceBoy, and when you try to wake people up, and encourage them to investigate for the truth, you'll find those who accuse you of being an ignorant.. etc. | Mar 02 18:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | you bet | Mar 02 18:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's so comfortable to believe a lie | Mar 02 18:42 |
| Omar87 | FurnaceBoy, but I'm not going to stop. I'm gonna keep shouting about that everywhere. | Mar 02 18:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | easier to shoot the messenger than adapt to reality | Mar 02 18:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | Omar87: :) | Mar 02 18:43 |
| Omar87 | FurnaceBoy, or at least to look for the reality. | Mar 02 18:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | right | Mar 02 18:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes, that's a better way to say it | Mar 02 18:43 |
| Ender2070 | its no secret that the elite want a smaller population | Mar 02 18:55 |
| tessier | Everyone wants a smaller population, no? | Mar 02 18:55 |
| tessier | I do. | Mar 02 18:55 |
| tessier | It's just that nobody wants to be the one eliminated. :) | Mar 02 18:56 |
| tessier | Seems reasonable to me. | Mar 02 18:56 |
| Ender2070 | they don't shoot people in the back of the head anymore, true | Mar 02 18:56 |
| Ender2070 | they'll just sterilize you and humanely let you live you life | Mar 02 18:56 |
| tessier | Not in my neighborhood. | Mar 02 18:56 |
| tessier | They down about 40 miles south though. | Mar 02 18:56 |
| tessier | er... | Mar 02 18:56 |
| tessier | They do | Mar 02 18:56 |
| Ender2070 | who | Mar 02 19:00 |
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| Ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqEf2FSbrdY | Mar 02 19:06 |
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| Ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3uFUxMwA1w | Mar 02 19:06 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: I haven't rung | Mar 02 19:08 |
| tessier | schestowitz: I mean you pinged me earlier | Mar 02 19:08 |
| schestowitz | [15:56] <sebsebseb> schestowitz: thunderbrose? | Mar 02 19:08 |
| tessier | <schestowitz> tessier: ping | Mar 02 19:08 |
| schestowitz | ThunderBrowse | Mar 02 19:08 |
| schestowitz | tessier: oh yeah :-) | Mar 02 19:12 |
| schestowitz | It seems like a load issue | Mar 02 19:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @asteris RT @teacherdude http://twitpic.com/158mg0 Public enemy No1 - Got stopped when I took pics of 4 cops harrasing her | Mar 02 19:18 | |
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| tessier | A friend of mine I was traveling with got into trouble in Mexico for taking pictures of cops. | Mar 02 19:20 |
| tessier | We had to delete the pic from the camera. | Mar 02 19:20 |
| tessier | However, another friend took a pic without flash and we got away with it. :) | Mar 02 19:20 |
| tessier | http://ultraviolet.org/photo-album/las-vegas-kimihia/P1020792.jpg/view | Mar 02 19:21 |
| tessier | Here is the pic. That's me getting frisked by a Tijuana policia. :) | Mar 02 19:21 |
| tessier | Viva Mexico! | Mar 02 19:21 |
| tessier | Cabrones. | Mar 02 19:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | tijuana is not the safest locale ): | Mar 02 19:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Mar 02 19:22 |
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| FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: "The Soviet Story - Why killing is essential to communism" <-- i thought we were talking about Bill Gates? He's communist now? You think the ruling cabal is communist?! | Mar 02 19:23 |
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| Ender2070 | huh? | Mar 02 19:23 |
| Ender2070 | no | Mar 02 19:23 |
| Ender2070 | unrelated | Mar 02 19:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: oh. | Mar 02 19:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @PoliceStateUK: Cheat-sheet detailing police stop & search powers and your basic rights: http://bit.ly/czHb8a >>if in UK, get it now | Mar 02 19:25 | |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: heh. | Mar 02 19:28 |
| schestowitz | tessier: are they allowed to do that? | Mar 02 19:28 |
| tessier | schestowitz: Allowed? What's that got to do with anything in a lawless third world country? | Mar 02 19:28 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Mar 02 19:28 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: there isn't a lot of difference between totalitarian regimes | Mar 02 19:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] THANK YOU to the smart Christians for (gently and lovingly) chiding the, ah, idiots. http://is.gd/9xYbx http://is.gd/9xYeF | Mar 02 19:31 | |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: jono My older brother has gone off to Tesco to buy a web cam. I don't know why. He woudn't tell me why. He uses Ubuntu now, however of course if he just buys any web cam, it might not "just work" with Ubuntu and it might need configuring with Cheese or something I don't know. | Mar 02 19:31 |
| Ender2070 | how do you think they eliminate poverty | Mar 02 19:31 |
| jono | sebsebseb, and...? | Mar 02 19:32 |
| tessier | sebsebseb: Maybe he wants to join the wankers on chatroulette? | Mar 02 19:32 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 02 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | oh he is back already | Mar 02 19:32 |
| schestowitz | tessier: http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/9835016320 " Photographers to lose copyright & right to photograph in public places - http://bit.ly/dvmtOu is this madness true? (via @wendyg) 10:02 AM Mar 1st via Gwibber " | Mar 02 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | jono: and I don't want him using WIndows for it | Mar 02 19:32 |
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| jono | sebsebseb, what do you want me to do about it? | Mar 02 19:32 |
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| sebsebseb | jono: nothing just saying | Mar 02 19:33 |
| jono | ahhh ok | Mar 02 19:33 |
| Ender2070 | only in a police state like the uk | Mar 02 19:33 |
| tessier | I don't mind them losing copyright on public stuff. | Mar 02 19:33 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: he's not a support person | Mar 02 19:33 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: who jono? | Mar 02 19:33 |
| tessier | Right to photo public places would be a problem for journalists though. | Mar 02 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Don't bother him in IRC over it | Mar 02 19:33 |
| sebsebseb | web cams it like Facebook, what a ton of people who suck at computers, want to use | Mar 02 19:33 |
| schestowitz | [19:31] <Ender2070> how do you think they eliminate poverty | Mar 02 19:34 |
| schestowitz | Amero? | Mar 02 19:34 |
| schestowitz | NAFTA? | Mar 02 19:34 |
| schestowitz | tessier: it already is | Mar 02 19:34 |
| sebsebseb | jono: things like tht ideally need to "just work" with Ubuntu, or people go back to Windows | Mar 02 19:34 |
| schestowitz | a BBC phtographer almos got arrested this year, IIRC | Mar 02 19:34 |
| jono | sebsebseb, I think we know this :) | Mar 02 19:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: right, but the title of the video says "killing is essential to communism". not sure if it makes the case that oligarchies kill too | Mar 02 19:34 |
| schestowitz | He didn't even aim at people | Mar 02 19:34 |
| schestowitz | Just some church | Mar 02 19:34 |
| sebsebseb | jono: well I hope so :) | Mar 02 19:34 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: i didn't watch the video | Mar 02 19:34 |
| jono | sebsebseb, why don't you come and join Ubuntu and make it better? | Mar 02 19:35 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: it's not Ubuntu | Mar 02 19:35 |
| schestowitz | It's Linux | Mar 02 19:35 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: also, afaik nobody has ever managed to implement "communism", only "dictatorship of the proletariat" | Mar 02 19:35 |
| sebsebseb | jono: join Ubuntu? | Mar 02 19:35 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yeah I know, upstreams etc | Mar 02 19:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: quite | Mar 02 19:35 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: lack of developer support | Mar 02 19:35 |
| Ender2070 | FurnaceBoy - its a common theme among totalitarian regimes | Mar 02 19:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: as MinceR pointed out. | Mar 02 19:35 |
| jono | sebsebseb, yeah, make it better for webcams | Mar 02 19:36 |
| sebsebseb | jono: I don't program | Mar 02 19:36 |
| schestowitz | [19:35] <MinceR> FurnaceBoy: also, afaik nobody has ever managed to implement "communism", only "dictatorship of the proletariat" | Mar 02 19:36 |
| schestowitz | True. | Mar 02 19:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: ...and i can get from 20th C history :) | Mar 02 19:36 |
| jono | sebsebseb, it doesnt require programming | Mar 02 19:36 |
| schestowitz | The same goes for some forms of capitalism thought | Mar 02 19:36 |
| Ender2070 | neither the EU or the UN are democratic, there are no elections | Mar 02 19:36 |
| schestowitz | *though | Mar 02 19:36 |
| jono | it requesting testing, bug triage etc | Mar 02 19:36 |
| MinceR | (though it was actually just "dictatorship", because "dictatorship of the proletariat" is just as absurd as expecting dictatorship to lead naturally to anarcho-communism) | Mar 02 19:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | and answering fan mail! | Mar 02 19:36 |
| jono | sebsebseb, my point is that instead of asking me to make Ubuntu better, so could you :) | Mar 02 19:36 |
| tessier | schestowitz: I don't see any problem with the server other than the disk being hit a lot more now. iowait is up quite a bit. The proxy shielded the server from quite a few hits and load. Maybe when I get this disk replaced tonight and a few days of steady operation pass with no problems we can try it again. | Mar 02 19:36 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: you could argues that US deficit versus wealth in Chinese banks points the opposite way | Mar 02 19:37 |
| sebsebseb | jono: I do support Ubuntu suport online, I did a lot of that last year, and a bit here and there earlier this year | Mar 02 19:37 |
| sebsebseb | jono: I am having a brake from that at the moment :) | Mar 02 19:37 |
| sebsebseb | jono: so I can do other things | Mar 02 19:37 |
| Ender2070 | Mincer, Furnaceboy - its all about eugenics | Mar 02 19:37 |
| schestowitz | That in a system of huge gap some people will spend at the expense of the people below whom they pressure to accept enormous debt | Mar 02 19:37 |
| MinceR | eugenics? | Mar 02 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Then it goes bust | Mar 02 19:37 |
| jono | sebsebseb, ok | Mar 02 19:37 |
| sebsebseb | jono: yes IRC support and such | Mar 02 19:37 |
| jono | sebsebseb, where did you support people? | Mar 02 19:37 |
| jono | right | Mar 02 19:37 |
| Ender2070 | yeah, racist stuff | Mar 02 19:37 |
| jono | which chans out of curiosity? | Mar 02 19:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] This is fantastic! @ebertchicago has his voice back! http://gawker.com/5483834/ | Mar 02 19:38 | |
| sebsebseb | jono: the main channel | Mar 02 19:38 |
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| Ender2070 | a lot of the elite believe they are more "evolved" | Mar 02 19:38 |
| jono | sebsebseb, which one? | Mar 02 19:38 |
| schestowitz | tessier: sounds good! :-) Thanks SO much | Mar 02 19:38 |
| sebsebseb | jono: things weren't always good, I had a few issues with the ops | Mar 02 19:38 |
| MinceR | i see | Mar 02 19:38 |
| jono | sebsebseb, right | Mar 02 19:38 |
| Ender2070 | the royal families interbred hoping to keep that from deteriorating | Mar 02 19:38 |
| MinceR | that inbreeding might be simply gaming with marriages | Mar 02 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Bad experiments | Mar 02 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Child retardation | Mar 02 19:39 |
| sebsebseb | jono: seems nearly anyone who has helped out enough in there, will of at least once | Mar 02 19:39 |
| schestowitz | As though you had Palin mate with McBush | Mar 02 19:39 |
| Ender2070 | yeah and psychopathy | Mar 02 19:39 |
| Ender2070 | king george is a good example | Mar 02 19:39 |
| schestowitz | That doesn't need inrbeeding | Mar 02 19:39 |
| MinceR | (getting their hands on property, regardless of the biological consequences or the suffering of their young being forced into marriages they don't want) | Mar 02 19:40 |
| schestowitz | I know one psychopath who's just made that way | Mar 02 19:40 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Mar 02 19:40 |
| Ender2070 | psychopathy can be passed down some think | Mar 02 19:40 |
| Ender2070 | they dont think its bad either | Mar 02 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Was Roosevelt the one with Polio? | Mar 02 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Hoover? I think not.. | Mar 02 19:41 |
| sebsebseb | jono: so yes I give back to Ubuntu and Linux and open source. however I don't expect to become a community member for Ubuntu ever, but I don't really wan to be one anyway, so it's fine | Mar 02 19:41 |
| jono | sebsebseb, ok | Mar 02 19:41 |
| schestowitz | http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2010/03/01/how-do-i-hate-thee-digital-economy-bill-let-me-count-the-ways/ | Mar 02 19:41 |
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| Ender2070 | lol king george banned coffee shops because he thought people would conspire in them against him | Mar 02 19:41 |
| sebsebseb | jono: making users happy is important as well, as I am sure you already know | Mar 02 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 02 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | jono: supporting users properly, makes them happy | Mar 02 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: "keep people divided, isolated, distracted" | Mar 02 19:42 |
| jono | yep | Mar 02 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Ignorance is bliss to dictators | Mar 02 19:42 |
| Ender2070 | yes | Mar 02 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Keep them obsessed with football, so-called "famous" people, sex, etc. | Mar 02 19:42 |
| Ender2070 | people won't even believe evidence right in front of them if it's not on the news | Mar 02 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Make no delusions of grandeur when it comes to those who matter and call shots | Mar 02 19:43 |
| Ender2070 | once its on tv, its real | Mar 02 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Like MAFIAA | Mar 02 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Celebs are usually someone's dolls | Mar 02 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Dispensable | Mar 02 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Selected and then maintained partly based on obedience. look what happened to John Lennon | Mar 02 19:44 |
| *sebsebseb I am hoping my brothers web cam will just work on Ubuntu, so I don't have a reason to mess around and try and get it working or mess around and get it working. | Mar 02 19:44 | |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: "google" it | Mar 02 19:44 |
| Ender2070 | MKULTRA victims | Mar 02 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Maybe someone posted a solution | Mar 02 19:44 |
| *bruce89 statement | Mar 02 19:44 | |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I don't know what the web cam is yet, (I think it's bought now) | Mar 02 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | (or maybe he hadn't gone before) | Mar 02 19:46 |
| *Ender2070 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Mar 02 19:46 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @lessig: My video for the OpenVideoAlliance has been DMCA'd. http://ping.fm/wR79N (via @glynmoody ) | Mar 02 19:49 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @PoliceStateUK: Cheat-sheet detailing police stop & search powers and your basic rights: http://bit.ly/czHb8a >>if in UK, get it now | Mar 02 19:51 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Why does anyone still fly United, ever? They're thieves. http://is.gd/9y3sb | Mar 02 19:54 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Roosevelt was an insane racist. iirc Ike had polio. and balls of steel for the 1961 speech :) | Mar 02 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | jono: so uhmm the proper GUI for Lucid tommorow maybe? well the user interface freeze is Thursday | Mar 02 19:58 |
| jono | sebsebseb, UI freeze is thurs | Mar 02 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | jono: so that's when to expect the proper new theme and background and such? | Mar 02 19:59 |
| jono | sebsebseb, UI freeze is Thurs | Mar 02 19:59 |
| jono | :) | Mar 02 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | jono: i'll take that as a yes maybe tommorow for the proper GUI | Mar 02 20:02 |
| jono | sebsebseb, take it as UI freeze is on thurs, anything is possible before then | Mar 02 20:04 |
| jono | :) | Mar 02 20:04 |
| sebsebseb | jono: right ok | Mar 02 20:04 |
| sebsebseb | jono: By the way what's so special about Thursday? Ubuntu really seems to like Thursday for newer releases and so on. | Mar 02 20:05 |
| MinceR | it's the 1-week anniversary of the creation of the Universe. | Mar 02 20:06 |
| jono | sebsebseb, no reason | Mar 02 20:07 |
| *FurnaceBoy never could get the hang of Thursday | Mar 02 20:07 | |
| *MinceR never could get the hang of Mondays. | Mar 02 20:07 | |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: hrm? | Mar 02 20:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://thinkexist.com/quotation/-this_must_be_thursday-i_never_could_get_the_hang/260634.html | Mar 02 20:09 |
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| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: ^^ | Mar 02 20:09 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: ok | Mar 02 20:14 |
| sebsebseb | what about Monday MinceR ? | Mar 02 20:14 |
| bruce89 | I don't like Mondays | Mar 02 20:14 |
| MinceR | i don't like them. | Mar 02 20:15 |
| bruce89 | http://musicbrainz.org/track/c812f3be-540d-4359-b214-927376a8d3b6.html | Mar 02 20:15 |
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| FurnaceBoy | who does! | Mar 02 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Rainy daze and Mondayyys | Mar 02 20:27 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/9843323388 "@jamie_love p. 22 of the leaked ACTA doc, EU says it is opposed to ACTA protecting "fair use, fair, dealing, or their equivalents"" | Mar 02 20:28 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] The Ubuntu 10.10 Developer Summit is announced! http://bit.ly/aelRD0 #ubuntu | Mar 02 20:30 | |
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| schestowitz | "BBC's Thompson: Web Cull Is Biggest Part Of Our Cutbacks - http://bit.ly/c9cXYt because everyone knows this Web stuff is just a fad... #bbc" http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/9884067673 hehehe. | Mar 02 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | http://opensourceforamerica.org/guidelines | Mar 02 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/2010/02/28/the-curious-case-of-wang-yahui/ | Mar 02 20:43 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] New Scientist on the blithering drooling cretins denying climate change (their article is phrased rather more gently) http://is.gd/9yiDU | Mar 02 21:03 | |
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| schestowitz | Mac Asay's beloved company is suing Linux now: http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/02/apple-goes-after-htc-in-lawsuit-over-20-iphone-patents/ | Mar 02 21:08 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @TheSciFiBlock: UK mag bullying horror blogger http://bit.ly/cffQp7 - GoreZone are litigous scum. Please fwd. | Mar 02 21:13 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Love Ubuntu? Artist? http://ubuntu-user.com/Online/News/Call-for-Artist-Lucid-Lynx | Mar 02 21:26 | |
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| schestowitz | jono: apple seems to attract designers; FS -> devs | Mar 02 21:39 |
| jono | schestowitz I think that is starting to change :) | Mar 02 21:39 |
| bruce89 | seem to attract lawsuits as well | Mar 02 21:46 |
| schestowitz | http://maketecheasier.com/run-fullscreen-games-in-linux-with-dual-monitors/2010/03/01 | Mar 02 22:00 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. | Mar 02 22:00 |
| schestowitz | jono: let's hope you're right | Mar 02 22:00 |
| schestowitz | bruce89: yes, esp. in devices | Mar 02 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Amazon created a sort of server precedence (bar SUSE) | Mar 02 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Although Xandros does some servers too and Turbolinux to a small extent | Mar 02 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Bezos is like de Icaza in a way... both supporting Linux at first and then 'selling' it to Microsoft | Mar 02 22:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] New Blog Post "Getting Ready for Ubuntu One Music Store Beta" - http://bit.ly/aHnbPD | Mar 02 22:02 | |
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| ender2070 | I knew the man who invented pi. He was a smart man.. but jeez! He could just go on forever. | Mar 02 22:03 |
| schestowitz | jono: remember the whole free arts/CC week thingie? | Mar 02 22:03 |
| schestowitz | I think you spearheaded it | Mar 02 22:03 |
| schestowitz | I have an idea: | Mar 02 22:03 |
| ender2070 | schestwitz - like with a polearm? | Mar 02 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Make a selling point in Ubuntu something like a massive download file with Creative Common'ed stuff | Mar 02 22:04 |
| schestowitz | I get those via torrents... totally legal | Mar 02 22:04 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: everything you measure in the universe is like that | Mar 02 22:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21181 Wine On Windows is actually making progress. DEAR GOD HELP US ALL. | Mar 02 22:05 | |
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| schestowitz | We don't even know how far it spans and how many dimensions there are... it might be curvd | Mar 02 22:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard maybe they save #vista7 | Mar 02 22:06 | |
| schestowitz | Hrmmmmm. :-( http://chronicle.com/blogPost/Florida-State-U-Pulls-Out-of/21540/ | Mar 02 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://doctormo.ubuntu-ma.us/2010/03/01/launchpad-moving-to-closed-source-auth/ | Mar 02 22:07 |
| schestowitz | yikes | Mar 02 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | Whose idea was it? | Mar 02 22:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/CeBIT-2010-City-of-Munich-Shows-Migration-to-Linux-and-OpenOffice | Mar 02 22:11 |
| schestowitz | \0/ | Mar 02 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | Lots of good news this week | Mar 02 22:11 |
| schestowitz | And Apple grew bnervous | Mar 02 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Suing Android phones | Mar 02 22:12 |
| schestowitz | All the Apple apologists will get humble pie | Mar 02 22:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Vulnerabilities-in-sudo-closed-942879.html | Mar 02 22:12 |
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| bruce89 | schestowitz: it's long overdue | Mar 02 22:13 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: what is? | Mar 02 22:14 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: launchpad thing whatever that is? | Mar 02 22:14 |
| bruce89 | humble pie delivery | Mar 02 22:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/03/01/dells-linux-tax-is-outrageous/ | Mar 02 22:16 |
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| schestowitz | The golden PC! | Mar 02 22:16 |
| MinceR | crap for the price of its mass in gold, just like crApple | Mar 02 22:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.penguinpetes.com/Doomed_to_Obscurity/index.php?strip=0000217.jpg | Mar 02 22:20 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: Apple products are made in sweat | Mar 02 22:20 |
| schestowitz | It's what gives them their shininess | Mar 02 22:20 |
| bruce89 | sebsebseb: I have no idea what they are up to | Mar 02 22:21 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Apple-sues-HTC-for-patent-infringements-in-Android-phones-944567.html | Mar 02 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | http://lizards.opensuse.org/2010/02/28/a-green-rock/ no comment | Mar 02 22:21 |
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| MinceR | what's wrong with sqrt(0) being 0? | Mar 02 22:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] So far we have 104 snippets in python-snippets - nice! We need more! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PythonSnippets #ubuntu #python | Mar 02 22:22 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, I saw | Mar 02 22:22 |
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| oiaohm | At least apple is being more truthful than MS. | Mar 02 22:22 |
| MinceR | not always | Mar 02 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Naming patents? | Mar 02 22:22 |
| oiaohm | Yep Naming patents schestowitz | Mar 02 22:22 |
| MinceR | for example, m$ is being more truthful about their stance on DRM than crApple. | Mar 02 22:22 |
| oiaohm | Once they are named other methods can be developed to avoid them. schestowitz | Mar 02 22:23 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: they want embargo: http://gigaom.com/2010/03/02/apple-taps-itc-to-kneecap-google/ | Mar 02 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | Bunch of elitist sons^H | Mar 02 22:23 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: no. | Mar 02 22:24 |
| schestowitz | They should abolish patents, esp. swpats | Mar 02 22:24 |
| schestowitz | That's the solution | Mar 02 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Apple 'ripped off' a lot of companies | Mar 02 22:24 |
| oiaohm | It also could do the Linux mobile world some good. | Mar 02 22:24 |
| schestowitz | That's how music is amde | Mar 02 22:25 |
| schestowitz | That's how software is built | Mar 02 22:25 |
| MinceR | they should also abolish m$ and crApple | Mar 02 22:25 |
| schestowitz | You get inspired and stuff | Mar 02 22:25 |
| oiaohm | Now of HTC moves to Meego then apple would have to take on Nokia. | Mar 02 22:25 |
| schestowitz | it won't | Mar 02 22:25 |
| bruce89 | someone pointed out that senseUI is older than iPhone OS apparently | Mar 02 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Meego is against *Droid | Mar 02 22:25 |
| MinceR | so am i | Mar 02 22:25 |
| oiaohm | Droid uses a non standard kernel so puts it out side the normal Linux patent wall. | Mar 02 22:26 |
| oiaohm | Ie the wall most companies look at and go o crap they have patents on everything. | Mar 02 22:26 |
| schestowitz | There are still some people who think that BN is 'anti-MSFT' | Mar 02 22:27 |
| schestowitz | They don't see the posts about Apple | Mar 02 22:27 |
| schestowitz | It's about companies that hurt FS | Mar 02 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Novell included | Mar 02 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Monsanto, Enron, GS, SCO, etc. | Mar 02 22:27 |
| oiaohm | Really meego and android merge would be great. | Mar 02 22:28 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: but wait | Mar 02 22:28 |
| MinceR | monsanto and enron hurt FS? | Mar 02 22:28 |
| schestowitz | It seems like UI-related in Adnroid | Mar 02 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Based on what I've read | Mar 02 22:28 |
| schestowitz | That's not the Linux part | Mar 02 22:28 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: how would it be great? | Mar 02 22:28 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: indirectly | Mar 02 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Part of the same clans | Mar 02 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Patents and all | Mar 02 22:28 |
| oiaohm | Standard kernel provides multi touch input support. schestowitz | Mar 02 22:28 |
| MinceR | lobbying for patents? | Mar 02 22:28 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: indeed | Mar 02 22:28 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: we need competition | Mar 02 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Nokia hates Android | Mar 02 22:29 |
| schestowitz | That's why it bought Qt | Mar 02 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Trolltech and others... Symbian | Mar 02 22:29 |
| schestowitz | It's losing staff and share | Mar 02 22:29 |
| oiaohm | Conserving power by reducing voltage to an instruction-processing portion of a processor << That is google added wait locks kernel space as well. | Mar 02 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Nokia owns Symbian | Mar 02 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Google owns Android... mememememe | Mar 02 22:29 |
| oiaohm | And power management | Mar 02 22:30 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes | Mar 02 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Monsanto | Mar 02 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Patents on life | Mar 02 22:30 |
| oiaohm | Basically a few of those patents are about google kernel alterations that did not make it main line. | Mar 02 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, well.. | Mar 02 22:30 |
| *bruce89 patents object-orientated UIs | Mar 02 22:30 | |
| oiaohm | Really nokia does not Android due to its non standard nature. | Mar 02 22:30 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't matter how they overlap | Mar 02 22:30 |
| schestowitz | The point is, Jobs and his Gang are attacking proactively using swpats | Mar 02 22:31 |
| schestowitz | They also have some poison like Ajax stuff in the Web | Mar 02 22:31 |
| schestowitz | I say, toss Apple out of W3C HTML working group | Mar 02 22:31 |
| bruce89 | I have a horrible feeling the ruling won't be good either | Mar 02 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Until they toss those patents | Mar 02 22:31 |
| schestowitz | And stop attacking competitors with swpats | Mar 02 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Are swpats even valid in China? | Mar 02 22:32 |
| MinceR | m$ is there too, aren't they? | Mar 02 22:32 |
| schestowitz | They inport to the US | Mar 02 22:32 |
| MinceR | also, nokia should be thrown out too | Mar 02 22:32 |
| schestowitz | And Apple wants embargo (ITC) | Mar 02 22:32 |
| bruce89 | or even Taiwan | Mar 02 22:32 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes | Mar 02 22:32 |
| schestowitz | and IBM | Mar 02 22:32 |
| oiaohm | http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5455599 << Ok what is going on here. Should not this patent be expired. | Mar 02 22:32 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Object-oriented graphic system - Google Patent Search .::. Size~: 44.47 KB | Mar 02 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Also swpays lobbyist | Mar 02 22:32 |
| schestowitz | *pats | Mar 02 22:32 |
| MinceR | at least IBM didn't attack html5, did they? | Mar 02 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Mar 02 22:32 |
| bruce89 | "we like competition, as long as it begins with an 'i'" | Mar 02 22:34 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.computerworld.com/15676/linux_is_doing_just_fine_on_servers | Mar 02 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | "Good buddy" *LOL* | Mar 02 22:34 |
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| bruce89 | Fedora 13 : Rock It | Mar 02 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Brucie's got probs: KDE and GNOME: Seven Irritations in Each < http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3867956 > | Mar 02 22:38 |
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| MinceR | "It Doesn't Count." | Mar 02 22:38 |
| MinceR | byfield emitting noise again? | Mar 02 22:39 |
| MinceR | how many attacks on FLOSS in this one? | Mar 02 22:39 |
| schestowitz | http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1988 | Mar 02 22:39 |
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| sebsebseb | already been a few things about the me menu, but this is a partculary good one since, it's by whoever made Gwibber http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2010/03/hands-on-ubuntu-goes-social-gains-me-menu-in-1004-alpha-3.ars | Mar 02 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | I thought it was a parody | Mar 02 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | wb, Omar87 | Mar 02 22:39 |
| oiaohm | The first one of the seven irritations makes me laugh schestowitz | Mar 02 22:39 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: hi, thanks | Mar 02 22:39 |
| oiaohm | Kde device manager does not display eject on a usb key until its mounted. While its not mounted it don't need ejecting. | Mar 02 22:40 |
| schestowitz | WHat I learned from Canonical's COUP today: | Mar 02 22:41 |
| schestowitz | 1) http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10462034-16.html that small companies in FOSS suck | Mar 02 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | 2) http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10461670-16.html open source is becoming proprietary and it's cool | Mar 02 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | Notice the dash | Mar 02 22:41 |
| schestowitz | It's not "Open Source" | Mar 02 22:42 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: he needed something to rant about | Mar 02 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Drawing in some readers, I guess | Mar 02 22:42 |
| schestowitz | It's like those "10 things list" | Mar 02 22:42 |
| schestowitz | You start with the number | Mar 02 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Lay out the article | Mar 02 22:42 |
| oiaohm | No Listing of Which Effects Require 3-D: << Ok kde performance sux with out 3d any how. | Mar 02 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Then fill the blanks with some silly ideas | Mar 02 22:42 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: no, it's OK | Mar 02 22:43 |
| schestowitz | I ran without kwin 3d for a while | Mar 02 22:43 |
| schestowitz | You see windows redrawn though | Mar 02 22:43 |
| oiaohm | Maybe the framebuffer swap in the newer kms will make KDE 4 without 3d look nice. | Mar 02 22:45 |
| schestowitz | As far as I'm concerned, Mac Asay can carry on w/ this | Mar 02 22:45 |
| schestowitz | He's delegitimising himself | Mar 02 22:45 |
| oiaohm | But he did compain about gnome mono support schestowitz | Mar 02 22:45 |
| schestowitz | I'll just point to it tomorrow when I mention Apple fanbois.... when Apple attacks | Mar 02 22:45 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: who _wouldn't_? | Mar 02 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Migi? | Mar 02 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Even GNOME devs complain about Mono. Some of them anyway... | Mar 02 22:46 |
| schestowitz | http://fsfe.org/news/2010/news-20100302-01.en.html | Mar 02 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2010022701114662 | Mar 02 22:55 |
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| schestowitz | Spy on self? http://news.cnet.com/8301-27076_3-20000103-248.html | Mar 02 22:55 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Dropcam puts home surveillance in the cloud | Web Crawler - CNET News .::. Size~: 116.71 KB | Mar 02 22:55 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Did you watch Bill Gate's speech at TED recently? | Mar 02 22:58 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10461740-245.html | Mar 02 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: nope | Mar 02 23:04 |
| schestowitz | I have better things to do :-D | Mar 02 23:04 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, lol | Mar 02 23:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/microsoft-was-behind-google-complaints-to-ec-5555 " | Mar 02 23:06 |
| schestowitz | * | Mar 02 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | A lawyer for Microsoft confirmed that the software giant told the US Department of Justice and the European Commission how Google’s business practices may be harming publishers, advertisers and competition in search and online advertising. | Mar 02 23:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 02 23:06 |
| schestowitz | What a nice company :-) | Mar 02 23:06 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, It seems the demented money hungry criminal is pointing towards people taking the vaccines to help "reduce the population". | Mar 02 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: Gates' marketing/PR bunnies wrote some stuff for him to improve his image | Mar 02 23:06 |
| schestowitz | I don't care for TED as a whole | Mar 02 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | They also hosted the world's biggest patent troll | Mar 02 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Shame on them | Mar 02 23:06 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, yeah. | Mar 02 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: if he wants to reduce population, then he should lead by example | Mar 02 23:07 |
| schestowitz | But he has kids | Mar 02 23:07 |
| schestowitz | So tell the hypocrite to shut his trap | Mar 02 23:07 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, what makes matters worse is that there are people out there who worship Gates. | Mar 02 23:07 |
| schestowitz | They are gullible | Mar 02 23:07 |
| schestowitz | PR | Mar 02 23:07 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, yup | Mar 02 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Some people still worship Stalin and Hitler | Mar 02 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Not that I make the comparison | Mar 02 23:08 |
| schestowitz | I'm just saying, people can become obsessed wit evil | Mar 02 23:08 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Actually, no. They are people just like you and me. Except that, they are so very well indoctrinated. | Mar 02 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Mass murderers and stalkers | Mar 02 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: yes | Mar 02 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Speak to them | Mar 02 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Share some information | Mar 02 23:08 |
| schestowitz | People trust people | Mar 02 23:09 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, that's what I keep doing. | Mar 02 23:09 |
| schestowitz | More so than the 'media' sometimes | Mar 02 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Well, people that I know anyway. They do know media is fodder | Mar 02 23:09 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, a couple weeks ago, I commented on a blog post about the "History of Microsoft". I mentioned Gary Kildall's story, but then they said that needs a deep research. | Mar 02 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmm.... http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2010/02/ewen-callaway-reportertexas-he.html | Mar 02 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | This is not good | Mar 02 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Kildall died after a brawl | Mar 02 23:11 |
| Omar87 | And when I demanded to have this research done, I got no reply. | Mar 02 23:11 |
| schestowitz | I think there's the theorists who might say he had bullies unlashed on him | Mar 02 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: here is a history: http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/04/microsoft-perspective/ | Mar 02 23:12 |
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| Omar87 | Kildall died from sorrow and sadness, what happened to him was very intolerable. Not even the law was on his side. | Mar 02 23:13 |
| oiaohm | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Samba-3-5-release-includes-experimental-SMB2-support-944241.html << For once H got a licence wrong. Samba 3.5.0 is GPL v3 not GPLv2 | Mar 02 23:13 |
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| Omar87 | "John Napier, discoverer of logarithms", that is not true. | Mar 02 23:14 |
| Omar87 | Logarithms were invented by "Al-Khawarizmi", A Muslim Mathematician. | Mar 02 23:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/03/01/profile-of-ex-narc-w.html | Mar 02 23:15 |
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| Omar87 | "Al-Khawarizmi" also invented the science of Algorithms, which was named after him. | Mar 02 23:15 |
| schestowitz | [23:14] <dyfet> novell is being bought?? http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6214QN20100302 | Mar 02 23:15 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Elliott offers to take Novell private for $2 bln| Reuters .::. Size~: 47.79 KB | Mar 02 23:15 |
| schestowitz | [23:15] <schestowitz> http://www.boingboing.net/2010/03/01/profile-of-ex-narc-w.html | Mar 02 23:15 |
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| schestowitz | [23:15] <schestowitz> oops | Mar 02 23:15 |
| schestowitz |  | Mar 02 23:15 |
| schestowitz | [23:15] <dyfet> lol | Mar 02 23:15 |
| schestowitz | This was suggested before | Mar 02 23:15 |
| schestowitz | But no bid make | Mar 02 23:16 |
| schestowitz | yes, Novell is quote worthless | Mar 02 23:16 |
| bruce89 | Omar87: that's us Scots for you, but I know you're right | Mar 02 23:16 |
| Omar87 | bruce89, excuse me? | Mar 02 23:16 |
| bruce89 | never mind | Mar 02 23:16 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: interesting bid. Once private it don't have to report to a stock market so can me merged into another company without much public information being released. | Mar 02 23:18 |
| dyfet | To me timing is interesting | Mar 02 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Why? | Mar 02 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Results? | Mar 02 23:20 |
| dyfet | sco trial | Mar 02 23:20 |
| sebsebseb | schewstowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/02/browser-ballot-critique/ "Did anyone expect any better from Microsoft?" Well I didn't think IE shells would get mentioned, since they are fake browsers that use IE. | Mar 02 23:20 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Browser Ballot Critique | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 81.24 KB | Mar 02 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Ah.. | Mar 02 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Darl | Mar 02 23:20 |
| schestowitz | And Yarro | Mar 02 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they can settle quietly? | Mar 02 23:20 |
| oiaohm | Even if novel wins the trial against sco. Ibm can still ruin there party. | Mar 02 23:21 |
| MinceR | what's the status of patents that affect java? | Mar 02 23:21 |
| schestowitz | I hardly know them | Mar 02 23:22 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Neturalised many times over. | Mar 02 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Can you google it with me? | Mar 02 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Let's find with "microsoft" in search phrase | Mar 02 23:23 |
| schestowitz | And who's on board | Mar 02 23:23 |
| schestowitz |  | Mar 02 23:23 |
| schestowitz | [23:22] <dyfet> Who funds Elliot Associates? This could be very interesting... | Mar 02 23:23 |
| schestowitz | dyfet: why PM? | Mar 02 23:23 |
| dyfet | habit :) | Mar 02 23:24 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: how so? | Mar 02 23:24 |
| oiaohm | gcc and classpath are gpl v3 used by orcale and sun so protected that way. orcale is a memeber of the joint patent protection for open source. | Mar 02 23:24 |
| oiaohm | The open source java from sun now orcale is under a licence than grants patent protecton. | Mar 02 23:24 |
| MinceR | afaict it's GPLv2, the patent protection of which is weak, afaik | Mar 02 23:25 |
| oiaohm | Unless you are using some encryption sections of java that sun did not include in the open one you are in trouble. | Mar 02 23:27 |
| oiaohm | No its GPLv2 or latter MinceR | Mar 02 23:27 |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 02 23:27 |
| oiaohm | So yes GPLv3 rules apply to it. | Mar 02 23:27 |
| MinceR | i see now | Mar 02 23:28 |
| MinceR | hm, actually i misread the faq | Mar 02 23:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.elliottassociates.co.uk/ | Mar 02 23:29 |
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| schestowitz | That can't be it, can it? | Mar 02 23:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.elliottassociatesinc.com/ | Mar 02 23:29 |
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| oiaohm | So yes java status of being legally safe is known and just done a few too many times. MinceR | Mar 02 23:29 |
| dyfet | http://money.cnn.com/2006/06/09/news/international/congo_fortune/ | Mar 02 23:31 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Republic of Congo vs. Hedge Funds - Jun. 12, 2006 .::. Size~: 41.65 KB | Mar 02 23:31 |
| oiaohm | All we are asking with Mono is MS does it once somewhere. MinceR | Mar 02 23:31 |
| dyfet | "the President was clearly referring to Kensington International, a Cayman Islands company that owns more than $100 million of Congo's sovereign debt and is controlled by Elliott Associates, a $6.5 billion New York City hedge fund." | Mar 02 23:31 |
| dyfet | Sounds like a real winner there... | Mar 02 23:32 |
| oiaohm | OpenJDK is also exactly same license as classpath. Sun was really nice doing that so both project could share code. MinceR | Mar 02 23:33 |
| schestowitz | I saw a scandal of theirs | Mar 02 23:35 |
| schestowitz | In Google | Mar 02 23:35 |
| oiaohm | Really it would be funny if the take over of novell ended the mono fixation. | Mar 02 23:36 |
| MinceR | takeover by whom? | Mar 02 23:36 |
| tessier | http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=31418 | Mar 02 23:36 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: How Sun's need to control the code cost them the company | Between the Lines | ZDNet.com .::. Size~: 136.52 KB | Mar 02 23:36 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.taragana.com/pr/t/elliott-associates-lp-elliott-international-lp-the-liverpool-limited-partnership-glenhill-capital-lp-glenhill-capital-overseas-master-fund-lp-glenhill-concentrated-fund-lp-glenview-capital-p/ | Mar 02 23:37 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Elliott Associates L.p.; Elliott International L.p.; The Liverpool Limited Partnership; Glenhill Capital Lp; Glenhill Capital Overseas Master Fund Lp; Glenhill Concentrated Fund Lp; Glenview Capital P - Press Release Hub .::. Size~: 32.7 KB | Mar 02 23:37 |
| oiaohm | Elliott Associates one of Novell share holders MinceR put forward a bit to take it over outright. | Mar 02 23:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-86679252.html | Mar 02 23:38 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Metromedia International Group and Elliott Associates Jointly Announce the Nomination of a New Independent Director to Metromedia's Board of Directors. - Business Wire | HighBeam Research: Online Press Releases .::. Size~: 33.45 KB | Mar 02 23:38 |
| schestowitz | They are selling press releases | Mar 02 23:38 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i don't understand | Mar 02 23:38 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: how long for? | Mar 02 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Since when have they been shareholders? | Mar 02 23:39 |
| oiaohm | A long time schestowitz | Mar 02 23:41 |
| oiaohm | The hold over 8 percent of the company schestowitz | Mar 02 23:41 |
| MinceR | oh, Elliott Associates is taking over Novell | Mar 02 23:41 |
| MinceR | what's known about Elliott Associates? | Mar 02 23:41 |
| schestowitz | I'll do a quick post | Mar 02 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Thanks so much, dyfet | Mar 02 23:41 |
| oiaohm | Not much. They are a private support company that does share inventing. | Mar 02 23:42 |
| dyfet | Thats what I have been pondering also, Mincer....what is known about them? | Mar 02 23:42 |
| bruce89 | #boycottelliottassociates isn't so catchy | Mar 02 23:42 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 02 23:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: ola | Mar 02 23:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: LTNS | Mar 02 23:42 |
| dyfet | They seem to scavange distressed assets... | Mar 02 23:42 |
| MinceR | bruce89: we could always go #boycottmicrosoft | Mar 02 23:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: that's catchy. | Mar 02 23:42 |
| bruce89 | I suppose | Mar 02 23:43 |
| sebsebseb | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8544413.stm | Mar 02 23:44 |
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| FurnaceBoy | bruce89: might get more attention ;-) | Mar 02 23:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | bruce89: as well as a much larger potential pool of boycotters | Mar 02 23:44 |
| oiaohm | dyfet very profitable venture most of the time recovering distressed assets. Particularly firing all non profitable departments. | Mar 02 23:45 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz the bot doesn't seem to do those titles, so it's New era for internet security amid increased attacks and dum de dum by, the woman who said Botnets tend to be taken over Windows comptuers | Mar 02 23:45 |
| sebsebseb | Maggie Shiels | Mar 02 23:46 |
| dyfet | oiaiohm: I still think the timing is rather interesting, but yeah, novell is a classic example of a distressed/failed business... | Mar 02 23:46 |
| bruce89 | being taken over by a hedge fund? | Mar 02 23:47 |
| schestowitz | "Elliott Associates" | Mar 02 23:47 |
| oiaohm | At the rate sco is going its not going to have any assets left by the time Novell wins. | Mar 02 23:47 |
| schestowitz | ":The Elliott funds include Elliott Associates, L.P. and Elliott International, L.P. which together have more than US$ 14 billion in assets under management. Founded in 1977, Elliott is one of the oldest funds of its kind under continuous management. Elliott has major investment interests around the world, and pursues a diversified investment and trading program, including a broad range of arbitrage activities, process driven | Mar 02 23:47 |
| schestowitz | investments, and direct investments in companies. Elliott has been an investor in Poland since 1999." | Mar 02 23:47 |
| bruce89 | I for one welcome our new associate overlords | Mar 02 23:47 |
| schestowitz | The Novell brand stays anyway | Mar 02 23:48 |
| schestowitz | It's just about going private | Mar 02 23:48 |
| oiaohm | It is strange for a fund to take something private. | Mar 02 23:48 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: yes, she's pressure to say "Windows" | Mar 02 23:49 |
| oiaohm | Since taking it private makes it harder to sell. | Mar 02 23:49 |
| sebsebseb | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8544692.stm | Mar 02 23:49 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 87.8 KB | Mar 02 23:49 |
| sebsebseb | Google to buy photo-editing site Picnik | Mar 02 23:49 |
| sebsebseb | that's the headline | Mar 02 23:50 |
| MinceR | what does it take to make a company private? buy all the shares back? | Mar 02 23:51 |
| oiaohm | Yep buying all shares is what is required MinceR | Mar 02 23:51 |
| oiaohm | And going private also causes de listing from stock market. | Mar 02 23:52 |
| MinceR | obviously :) | Mar 02 23:52 |
| oiaohm | You can buy all shares back and remain listed | Mar 02 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | seems they want to buy one small company a month | Mar 02 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | according to that article | Mar 02 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | they could buy nearly every web based company, and then be a right "threat/problem" to Microsoft, however then also they would have to much power really | Mar 02 23:53 |
| MinceR | yes, but that's not going private, just buying back all the shares :> | Mar 02 23:53 |
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| sebsebseb | competition is good | Mar 02 23:53 |
| chm | bye | Mar 02 23:53 |
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| sebsebseb | !seen DeamonFC | Mar 02 23:54 |
| sebsebseb | @seen DeamonFC | Mar 02 23:54 |
| sebsebseb | nope didn't think there was a bot that could do that here | Mar 02 23:54 |
| bruce89 | that's not how you spell Daemon | Mar 02 23:54 |
| sebsebseb | !seen DaemonFC | Mar 02 23:54 |
| sebsebseb | @seen DaemonFC | Mar 02 23:54 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: it just not normal for a investment company to remove from stock market. Due to the fact as the company improves they can sell bits off. | Mar 02 23:54 |
| MinceR | nickserv can tell you, if his nick is registered | Mar 02 23:54 |
| oiaohm | ie something odd is going on MinceR | Mar 02 23:55 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: ic | Mar 02 23:55 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR well it's not like I miss him badly or something, he just tends to be here | Mar 02 23:55 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 02 23:55 |
| MinceR | 004757 [freenode] -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Last seen : Mar 02 08:02:55 2010 (15 hours, 45 minutes, 1 second ago) | Mar 02 23:55 |
| oiaohm | Lot of cases as well if it was just about control inventest ment companies will take 51 percent. Then use the voting rights to put their own board in. | Mar 02 23:55 |
| MinceR | (from the output of /ns info daemonfc ) | Mar 02 23:55 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: perhaps someone's using EA as a proxy to take control | Mar 02 23:56 |
| oiaohm | Why take 100 percent. | Mar 02 23:56 |
| oiaohm | Normally taking 100 percent is liquidation. | Mar 02 23:56 |
| MinceR | maybe it is | Mar 02 23:57 |
| MinceR | or they want to avoid all the responsibilities associated with a public company :) | Mar 02 23:57 |
| oiaohm | Novell liquidated is about the only thing that could save sco. | Mar 02 23:57 |
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| oiaohm | Ok for a short while. | Mar 02 23:58 |
| oiaohm | Before IBM lands on top of them. | Mar 02 23:58 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89 schestowitz _goblin NHS IT deal 'stitch up' claim by Conservatives http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8543328.stm They would save a lot of money if they turned to open source. | Mar 02 23:58 |
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