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| phIRCe-BNc | Hello World! | Mar 06 00:03 |
| schestowitz | In wonder what crashed the program... | Mar 06 00:05 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin_: http://www.youtube.com/user/cveitch#p/u/2/r9bfmW3iMqk | Mar 06 00:05 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Arch #GNU #Linux Gets Excellent Review, #Igelle Tested by Linux Planet http://ur1.ca/oisk http://ur1.ca/oisl | Mar 06 00:18 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Ok, User timeline also works ok on #elmdentica, just trying it out with an account with no difference between user and friends timelines. | Mar 06 00:19 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Elive Reaches Big Major 2.0 and Other Distros Are Out http://ur1.ca/oisq http://ur1.ca/oisr http://www.plop.at/ | Mar 06 00:20 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | Hmm. | Mar 06 00:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | I just had a strange idea | Mar 06 00:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | what if free software became a religion | Mar 06 00:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SFLC Man Explains How #Freedom and Mobile #Linux Interact http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2010/03/04/mobile.html | Mar 06 00:37 | |
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| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: it can't | Mar 06 00:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dunno | Mar 06 00:38 |
| *Diablo-D3 should go investigate scientology a little more | Mar 06 00:38 | |
| schestowitz | It's like saying that atheism can become a religion | Mar 06 00:38 |
| schestowitz | No deities | Mar 06 00:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | what worked for them could work for us. | Mar 06 00:38 |
| schestowitz | Making stuff up | Mar 06 00:38 |
| schestowitz | Them using viral idiocy | Mar 06 00:38 |
| schestowitz | And it's the people that keep it going | Mar 06 00:38 |
| schestowitz | it's like an organism, a creature | Mar 06 00:38 |
| schestowitz | Didn't the founder's kid commit suicide? | Mar 06 00:38 |
| schestowitz | Just show how happy they must be in this cult | Mar 06 00:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | he died of a drug overdose iirc | Mar 06 00:39 |
| schestowitz | Good | Mar 06 00:39 |
| schestowitz | Is that part of the religion? | Mar 06 00:39 |
| schestowitz | If so, then they'll go extinct | Mar 06 00:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: dont put words in my mouth | Mar 06 00:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im talking about how scientology came out of nowehere and then ended up with a few thousand members | Mar 06 00:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android / #Linux Targets the Future Because Desktops Are Dying http://ur1.ca/oius http://ur1.ca/oiuu http://ur1.ca/oiuv | Mar 06 00:41 | |
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| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: just thousands? | Mar 06 00:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, they only have like 20k worldwide | Mar 06 00:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux / #Android Lands on More Devices, Becomes hacker Friendly http://ur1.ca/oiuz http://ur1.ca/oiv0 http://ur1.ca/oiv2 | Mar 06 00:43 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sub-notebooks with #GNU #Linux Looking Great http://ur1.ca/oiv5 http://ur1.ca/oiv7 http://ur1.ca/oiv8 | Mar 06 00:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Meego #GNU #Linux to Come Out Later This Month http://www.slashphone.com/meego-build-for-n900-atom-by-end-of-march-2010-048067 | Mar 06 00:46 | |
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| MinceR | Diablo-D3: don't forget the part where they're hated by everyone with a clue :> | Mar 06 00:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, and I'm going to do the opposite | Mar 06 00:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | name several famous scientists in history saints. | Mar 06 00:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Supports Tor, #Android Offers #Tor #Anonymity http://ur1.ca/oivi http://ur1.ca/oivj | Mar 06 00:50 | |
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| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: Tom Cruise still with them? | Mar 06 00:51 |
| schestowitz | I heard their new cult leader is disliked and will get canned | Mar 06 00:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, tom cruise is still one | Mar 06 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Yuck | Mar 06 00:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | scientology would be at war with my religion | Mar 06 00:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | since I think I'd support science as the true worship of God | Mar 06 00:52 |
| schestowitz | Is Katie Holmes still with him? | Mar 06 00:53 |
| schestowitz | I don't follow so-called "celebs" anymore | Mar 06 00:53 |
| schestowitz | God with a capital G? | Mar 06 00:53 |
| schestowitz | Dog | Mar 06 00:53 |
| schestowitz | Dawg !! | Mar 06 00:53 |
| schestowitz | The God Pound Flava! | Mar 06 00:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] #unexpected and #weird ♺ @schestowitz: #Google Supports Tor, #Android Offers #Tor #Anonymity http://ur1.ca/oivi http://ur1.ca/oivj | Mar 06 00:54 | |
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| schestowitz | If it's female, then creator of the universe is a bitch :-) | Mar 06 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Why oh why are you doing this to me, biatch," shouted the mamed man to the sky | Mar 06 00:55 |
| schestowitz | Mamed people go to Hell | Mar 06 00:56 |
| schestowitz | Adding insult to mutilation | Mar 06 00:56 |
| schestowitz | Cause they can't pray | Mar 06 00:56 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] So what is a Digital Agenda? Questions about what the Throne Speech really meant. http://bit.ly/aDuNlD | Mar 06 00:59 | |
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| schestowitz | tired, gn | Mar 06 01:09 |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 06 01:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Any photo nuts reading this with a micro 4/3? How is it compared to the much larger low-end SLRs? | Mar 06 01:11 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | damnit | Mar 06 01:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | david needs to hang out in here more often' | Mar 06 01:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@GilesCoren writes the greatest restaurant reviews ever. http://bit.ly/bn6KXi #babbo #london #uk #mayfair | Mar 06 01:49 | |
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| shreddar | I read those linked articles about the PC being irrelevant in 3 years and lot of comments were like, 'no way'. | Mar 06 01:55 |
| cubezzz | I heard the same thing 10 years ago | Mar 06 01:56 |
| shreddar | I for one think it could happen. | Mar 06 01:56 |
| *cubezzz looks around | Mar 06 01:56 | |
| cubezzz | still surrounded by PCs | Mar 06 01:56 |
| shreddar | We'll I bet you use PCs alot more than regular people. | Mar 06 01:56 |
| cubezzz | that's true | Mar 06 01:57 |
| cubezzz | plus it's unlikely I'd program on anything else | Mar 06 01:57 |
| cubezzz | I program _for_ PDAs but while on my PC | Mar 06 01:58 |
| cubezzz | maybe when skynet gets activated :) | Mar 06 01:58 |
| shreddar | Yeah I bet people who do production type stuff will use PC's for a little longer than 3 years from now. | Mar 06 01:58 |
| cubezzz | someone has to do the development work | Mar 06 01:59 |
| shreddar | regular people who just use the internet won't be using the PC for long though. | Mar 06 01:59 |
| cubezzz | 10 years ago I heard talk of "convergence" | Mar 06 01:59 |
| cubezzz | the tv and the computer would become one | Mar 06 02:00 |
| shreddar | Yeah convergence on the PC. I heard that to. | Mar 06 02:00 |
| cubezzz | but.... I am bound to say it didn't really happen | Mar 06 02:00 |
| cubezzz | my TV is still a TV and my computer is everything else | Mar 06 02:01 |
| shreddar | Yep it seems like the opposite is happening. | Mar 06 02:01 |
| shreddar | More devices are coming out that do things better than a PC would do them. | Mar 06 02:02 |
| cubezzz | if PDAs had 24 hour battery life then they would be more popular | Mar 06 02:02 |
| shreddar | How long do PDAs typically last without recharge? | Mar 06 02:03 |
| cubezzz | using a scanner? not going to happen on a PDA :) | Mar 06 02:03 |
| cubezzz | well, some are really bad | Mar 06 02:03 |
| cubezzz | like 3 hours or less | Mar 06 02:03 |
| cubezzz | sometimes an hour | Mar 06 02:03 |
| shreddar | Wow that sucks. | Mar 06 02:03 |
| cubezzz | the batteries aren't very big you see | Mar 06 02:04 |
| cubezzz | in fact the older PDAs lasted longer than the new ones | Mar 06 02:04 |
| cubezzz | they had slower cpus and smaller screens | Mar 06 02:04 |
| cubezzz | if they could make the battery bigger that would help | Mar 06 02:05 |
| cubezzz | I guess it's not too bad if you can plug in somewhere | Mar 06 02:05 |
| shreddar | I don't think anything will replace the PC entirely within 3 years. Just that more and more devices will replace the PC in specific functions. (eg Game consoles) | Mar 06 02:06 |
| cubezzz | well it's different for GNU/Linux types, often they like to program | Mar 06 02:07 |
| cubezzz | I tried surfing on a PDA, and I didn't like it | Mar 06 02:07 |
| cubezzz | basically I used it to play some chess and listen to music | Mar 06 02:08 |
| cubezzz | mostly it just sits on my desk like a tiny computer :) | Mar 06 02:09 |
| cubezzz | but having a portable linux based PDA is nice | Mar 06 02:11 |
| cubezzz | it can stream a ton of different internet radio stations | Mar 06 02:11 |
| shreddar | I don't really use PDA's but I don't doubt they suck at doing some things. | Mar 06 02:14 |
| cubezzz | the old sharp organizers were good | Mar 06 02:14 |
| cubezzz | they could run a long time on battery | Mar 06 02:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Dear Mark Shuttleworth, as tempting a construction as it seems, "fontographer" is not a word. It may however be a ™. #typography #ubuntu | Mar 06 02:14 | |
| shreddar | According to those articles though people in japan primarily use smartphone for research. | Mar 06 02:15 |
| cubezzz | anyways PDAs are passé | Mar 06 02:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | uh | Mar 06 02:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | Fontographer is the name of a piece of software | Mar 06 02:15 |
| cubezzz | yeah, it's mostly smartphones now | Mar 06 02:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | its called fontlab now | Mar 06 02:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | its really popular for fontography ;) | Mar 06 02:16 |
| shreddar | I think that their Chrome OS is them basically making a move toward a dedicated internet console. | Mar 06 02:17 |
| cubezzz | f and ph in the same word? | Mar 06 02:17 |
| cubezzz | sounds like it would break some rule of English | Mar 06 02:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, but we dont install phonts. | Mar 06 02:19 |
| cubezzz | I'm still trying to come up with a real example | Mar 06 02:21 |
| cubezzz | when Ancient Roman grammarians translated Greek into Latin, they spelled it "ph" to distinguish it from the regular "p", because they didn't have the letter for it. | Mar 06 02:22 |
| cubezzz | Latin or Greek I think | Mar 06 02:22 |
| shreddar | http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/the_more_you_know2.jpg | Mar 06 02:23 |
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| cubezzz | the Greek letter phi got transcripted to ph | Mar 06 02:25 |
| cubezzz | no normal words outside of scientific terms I'd say | Mar 06 02:30 |
| cubezzz | with both ph and f in one word | Mar 06 02:30 |
| cubezzz | sure, I could use a word like "phenolsulfonate" | Mar 06 02:31 |
| cubezzz | but that's out of a science dictionary | Mar 06 02:31 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] #wtf ! no hindi ? at translatewiki - http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:WikiReader/stats/trunk | Mar 06 02:44 | |
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| Agent-Smith | Good night folks | Mar 06 03:20 |
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| Agent-Smith | Folks, Jono here in this chat... Is the JONO BACON ??? | Mar 06 03:21 |
| sebsebseb | Agent-Smith: he left, but yes Jono Bacon comes here | Mar 06 03:22 |
| Agent-Smith | Ohhh, and he's the JONO BACON from Ubuntu fame ??? | Mar 06 03:22 |
| sebsebseb | yes | Mar 06 03:22 |
| Agent-Smith | Ahhh... | Mar 06 03:22 |
| Agent-Smith | He works at Canonical, isn't it ??? | Mar 06 03:22 |
| sebsebseb | Agent-Smith: comes here, even though people talk bad about Ubuntu in here very now and again | Mar 06 03:22 |
| sebsebseb | yes he works for Canonical | Mar 06 03:23 |
| sebsebseb | very now and again, was meant to be, every now and again | Mar 06 03:23 |
| Agent-Smith | Well, i am another one to bad mouth Ubuntu | Mar 06 03:23 |
| sebsebseb | Why? | Mar 06 03:23 |
| Agent-Smith | And i would like to tell some truths to any one from Canonical | Mar 06 03:23 |
| sebsebseb | such as? | Mar 06 03:23 |
| Agent-Smith | Man, Where's Inittab ??? | Mar 06 03:23 |
| Agent-Smith | Can't make that shit log in text mode | Mar 06 03:24 |
| Agent-Smith | Atrocius to maintain in CLI | Mar 06 03:24 |
| Agent-Smith | Then... | Mar 06 03:24 |
| Agent-Smith | Now | Mar 06 03:24 |
| Agent-Smith | Had to configure a video card | Mar 06 03:24 |
| Agent-Smith | Where's XORG.Conf ??? | Mar 06 03:24 |
| Agent-Smith | Xorg.Conf no more | Mar 06 03:24 |
| Agent-Smith | Jeeezus... | Mar 06 03:24 |
| Agent-Smith | What are they smoking in Canonical ??? | Mar 06 03:25 |
| Agent-Smith | Manure mixed with grass ??? | Mar 06 03:25 |
| sebsebseb | Agent-Smith: Which distro do you use? | Mar 06 03:25 |
| Agent-Smith | PCLOS and Vector and Puppy and used Debian | Mar 06 03:26 |
| sebsebseb | Agent-Smith: ok well | Mar 06 03:26 |
| Agent-Smith | But started in my loved Conectiva | Mar 06 03:26 |
| sebsebseb | the recent thing when it comes to Ubuntu is regarding the next one, currently in development | Mar 06 03:26 |
| sebsebseb | and new themes | Mar 06 03:26 |
| sebsebseb | well i'll give you a link, which also goes to jono's annoucment and the page on Ubuntu website regarding the new branding | Mar 06 03:27 |
| sebsebseb | then i'll give you also a link that I was given earlier which is making their new GDM theme into a bit of a joke | Mar 06 03:27 |
| Agent-Smith | Man, they're trying to make Ubuntu XP but it's failing... | Mar 06 03:27 |
| sebsebseb | Agent-Smith: not anymore | Mar 06 03:27 |
| sebsebseb | now they are trying to make Ubuntu OS X | Mar 06 03:27 |
| Agent-Smith | hahaahahahahaha | Mar 06 03:27 |
| Agent-Smith | :-D | Mar 06 03:27 |
| sebsebseb | in fact they probably weren't trying to make Ubuntu like XP really | Mar 06 03:28 |
| Agent-Smith | Cracking out loud | Mar 06 03:28 |
| sebsebseb | anyway yeah links | Mar 06 03:28 |
| Agent-Smith | Man, That cannot be... | Mar 06 03:28 |
| Agent-Smith | Even Puppy Linux is better... | Mar 06 03:28 |
| Agent-Smith | Jeezus Merciful | Mar 06 03:28 |
| Agent-Smith | So, how does one log to CLI in Ubuntu ??? | Mar 06 03:29 |
| sebsebseb | http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/2010/03/04/my-thoughts-on-the-ubuntu-branding-refresh/ | Mar 06 03:29 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: My thoughts on the Ubuntu branding refresh « Benjamin Humphrey .::. Size~: 49.11 KB | Mar 06 03:29 |
| sebsebseb | Mandriva has a few little issues, but default themwise it's great. | Mar 06 03:29 |
| Agent-Smith | To make a simple fsck ??? | Mar 06 03:29 |
| Agent-Smith | Conectiva was gr8. | Mar 06 03:29 |
| Agent-Smith | Kurumin was gr8 | Mar 06 03:29 |
| sebsebseb | Mandriva default themes :) | Mar 06 03:29 |
| sebsebseb | anyway check out the above link | Mar 06 03:29 |
| Agent-Smith | Ubuntu, as time goes by, is going crappyer every time... | Mar 06 03:30 |
| sebsebseb | Agent-Smith: you seem like an experienced Desktop Linux user, so why did you join on the free node thing? | Mar 06 03:30 |
| Agent-Smith | I 'm in the Linux wagon since 2003 | Mar 06 03:30 |
| sebsebseb | yep starting with Ubuntu 9.04 it started going bad | Mar 06 03:30 |
| sebsebseb | of course their new users or still quite new users, don't reolize this | Mar 06 03:31 |
| Agent-Smith | Well, i'm here because i like to talk to the folks here | Mar 06 03:31 |
| sebsebseb | well they don't know | Mar 06 03:31 |
| sebsebseb | Agent-Smith: your new here | Mar 06 03:31 |
| sebsebseb | it seems | Mar 06 03:31 |
| Agent-Smith | No... | Mar 06 03:31 |
| Agent-Smith | I am friends with Furnace Boy | Mar 06 03:31 |
| sebsebseb | who are you then? | Mar 06 03:31 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Mar 06 03:31 |
| Agent-Smith | And Mr. Schwtowitz | Mar 06 03:31 |
| Agent-Smith | Schestowitz | Mar 06 03:32 |
| Agent-Smith | But, never mind | Mar 06 03:32 |
| sebsebseb | been on the above link yet? | Mar 06 03:32 |
| Agent-Smith | It was not to talk about Ubuntu i came here | Mar 06 03:32 |
| Agent-Smith | In a minute | Mar 06 03:32 |
| sebsebseb | well no one else seems to be about at the moment | Mar 06 03:32 |
| Agent-Smith | Hummm... Well, i came here to see what the folks think about an article i saw in the net... | Mar 06 03:33 |
| shreddar | Yeah iBuntu is kinda funny. | Mar 06 03:33 |
| Agent-Smith | Scared the shit out of me | Mar 06 03:33 |
| Agent-Smith | Apple is going to buy Adobe... | Mar 06 03:33 |
| sebsebseb | Agent-Smith: Are they? | Mar 06 03:33 |
| Agent-Smith | http://thenextweb.com/apple/2010/03/03/10-reasons-apple-acquire-adobe/ | Mar 06 03:33 |
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| shreddar | I think they said they wanted to have a strong identity like Mac. | Mar 06 03:34 |
| Agent-Smith | Check it out | Mar 06 03:34 |
| sebsebseb | well it would make sense for Apple to buy Adobe I guess | Mar 06 03:34 |
| Agent-Smith | Man, if it comes to fruition | Mar 06 03:34 |
| sebsebseb | ,but then they would be like Microsoft | Mar 06 03:34 |
| sebsebseb | really big | Mar 06 03:34 |
| Agent-Smith | No more Flash | Mar 06 03:34 |
| Agent-Smith | Only for crApple | Mar 06 03:34 |
| shreddar | But they just came off as Mac's uglier friend. | Mar 06 03:34 |
| Agent-Smith | So... Scary huhhh ??? | Mar 06 03:35 |
| sebsebseb | Agent-Smith: anyway that's your link? | Mar 06 03:35 |
| Agent-Smith | Yup | Mar 06 03:35 |
| Agent-Smith | But... Is this a newbie chat room ??? | Mar 06 03:35 |
| sebsebseb | here's the edited/joke GDM that someone gave me link to earlier http://ubuntu-pics.de/bild/45399/hello_kitty_3Jckg6.png | Mar 06 03:36 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/png type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Mar 06 03:36 |
| sebsebseb | Agent-Smith: A newbie chatroom? | Mar 06 03:36 |
| Agent-Smith | Yup... | Mar 06 03:36 |
| sebsebseb | Agent-Smith: Most of us are experienced Linux users that chat here. | Mar 06 03:36 |
| Agent-Smith | Ahhh, ok | Mar 06 03:36 |
| Agent-Smith | That's what i thought | Mar 06 03:37 |
| Agent-Smith | And you type: | Mar 06 03:37 |
| Agent-Smith | so why did you join on the free node thing? | Mar 06 03:37 |
| sebsebseb | anyway I assume you like The Matrix, hence having that nick | Mar 06 03:37 |
| Agent-Smith | That confused me | Mar 06 03:37 |
| sebsebseb | and I type what? | Mar 06 03:38 |
| Agent-Smith | Yup | Mar 06 03:38 |
| sebsebseb | I am using auto complete | Mar 06 03:38 |
| Agent-Smith | You typed: Why did you join the free chat room ? | Mar 06 03:38 |
| sebsebseb | when it does : | Mar 06 03:38 |
| sebsebseb | you should be getting high lights when I do that as well | Mar 06 03:38 |
| sebsebseb | when I use your name | Mar 06 03:38 |
| Agent-Smith | Hum Hum | Mar 06 03:38 |
| Agent-Smith | Anyway, i always like to drop by and see what folks think | Mar 06 03:39 |
| Agent-Smith | In the first months of this year, we talked about M$ disclosing it bought Novell... | Mar 06 03:39 |
| Agent-Smith | Well | Mar 06 03:40 |
| Agent-Smith | Prophetic, huhhhh??? | Mar 06 03:40 |
| Agent-Smith | ;-) | Mar 06 03:40 |
| Agent-Smith | Ahhh, saw the links and the pics... | Mar 06 03:41 |
| Agent-Smith | They're copying KDE 4 | Mar 06 03:41 |
| Agent-Smith | KDE 4 looks like that | Mar 06 03:41 |
| sebsebseb | Agent-Smith: The GDM and default background, reminded me a bit of Hannah Montana OS based on Kubuntu | Mar 06 03:42 |
| Agent-Smith | Ahahahahahah... Yup... I saw that once... | Mar 06 03:42 |
| Agent-Smith | Hello Kitty... | Mar 06 03:43 |
| Agent-Smith | Gr8!!! | Mar 06 03:43 |
| Agent-Smith | :-D | Mar 06 03:43 |
| Agent-Smith | I also comment a lot in BN | Mar 06 03:44 |
| sebsebseb | ok | Mar 06 03:44 |
| Agent-Smith | But... There's one Troll, Robotron... That guy must be paid to comment like that | Mar 06 03:44 |
| Agent-Smith | It would be laughable if it was not tragical... | Mar 06 03:45 |
| Agent-Smith | Well, the news are delivered... | Mar 06 03:49 |
| Agent-Smith | I thought perhaps you folks would know better if a thing like that (Apple buying Adobe) would, could happen... | Mar 06 03:49 |
| Agent-Smith | But seems you are in the dark like me... | Mar 06 03:50 |
| sebsebseb | Agent-Smith: not any | Mar 06 03:50 |
| sebsebseb | time soon | Mar 06 03:50 |
| sebsebseb | if it's going to happen | Mar 06 03:50 |
| sebsebseb | also take | Mar 06 03:50 |
| sebsebseb | Oracale buying Sun Microsystems for example which was recently | Mar 06 03:50 |
| sebsebseb | for a while they coudn't just do that, because they had to make the US justice department happy, but also the European Commision | Mar 06 03:51 |
| oiaohm | At adobe current price its right in the price range of Orcale to aquire as well. | Mar 06 03:51 |
| Agent-Smith | But i thought Adobe was BIG SHOT for crApple to buy... | Mar 06 03:51 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: Oracle probably don't have much interest in buying Adobe | Mar 06 03:51 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: if any | Mar 06 03:52 |
| sebsebseb | if Google bought Adobe, well that would be something I expect | Mar 06 03:52 |
| Agent-Smith | I guess Oracle has the upper hand with the buying of Sun | Mar 06 03:52 |
| sebsebseb | may even end up with a native version of Photoshop for example, quite soon after woulds, if that was to happen | Mar 06 03:52 |
| sebsebseb | Google buying Adobe that is | Mar 06 03:53 |
| sebsebseb | and native as in for Linux distros of course | Mar 06 03:53 |
| Agent-Smith | Well, Google buying Adobe would be TERRIFIC... | Mar 06 03:53 |
| Agent-Smith | Perhaps then, Flash would work well on Linux | Mar 06 03:53 |
| oiaohm | Interest from Oracle would be direct control of PDF format. | Mar 06 03:53 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: Why? | Mar 06 03:54 |
| Agent-Smith | Right now, it only works ok... | Mar 06 03:54 |
| oiaohm | They have ODF sebsebseb. So holding the 2 most common support achrive formats. | Mar 06 03:54 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: support? what you mean support in that context? | Mar 06 03:55 |
| sebsebseb | the two major open standards for documents? | Mar 06 03:55 |
| oiaohm | supported | Mar 06 03:55 |
| oiaohm | Most digatal archives used ODF and PDF | Mar 06 03:55 |
| Agent-Smith | Well, folks, changing a little the subject | Mar 06 03:55 |
| oiaohm | Not only are the standard but they are important. | Mar 06 03:56 |
| Agent-Smith | If i may, of course | Mar 06 03:56 |
| sebsebseb | and Google would become a web design and graphics design and such company, if they bought out Adobe | Mar 06 03:56 |
| oiaohm | Also lot of orcale solutions depend on PDF not becoming broken. | Mar 06 03:56 |
| sebsebseb | they could really do a Microsoft | Mar 06 03:56 |
| sebsebseb | become a bit of nearly every technology market that matters | Mar 06 03:56 |
| oiaohm | So basically aquiring adobe would be protecting there intrests. | Mar 06 03:56 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: ok, but PDF is also open source now isn't it? | Mar 06 03:57 |
| Agent-Smith | No | Mar 06 03:57 |
| Agent-Smith | It's open | Mar 06 03:57 |
| Agent-Smith | But belongs to Adobe | Mar 06 03:57 |
| Agent-Smith | Open but closed... :P | Mar 06 03:57 |
| oiaohm | Yep so adobe could break the format on orcale if they were assholes. | Mar 06 03:57 |
| oiaohm | Now if apple lined up to aquire adobe orcale would have to think about there ass. | Mar 06 03:58 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: Why? | Mar 06 03:58 |
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| sebsebseb | Agent-Smith: this Diablo-D3 guy doesn't like Ubuntu that much these days, by the way | Mar 06 03:58 |
| oiaohm | is apple known for long term stable fileformats. sebsebseb | Mar 06 03:58 |
| oiaohm | That work well cross platform. | Mar 06 03:58 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: no I guess not | Mar 06 03:58 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: and no | Mar 06 03:58 |
| Agent-Smith | Ahhh... | Mar 06 03:59 |
| sebsebseb | to the cross platform bit | Mar 06 03:59 |
| oiaohm | Yep the problem. | Mar 06 03:59 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I started typing before I got that | Mar 06 03:59 |
| oiaohm | Orcale depends on the cross platform bit. | Mar 06 03:59 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: whoops messed up auto complete | Mar 06 03:59 |
| sebsebseb | again | Mar 06 03:59 |
| sebsebseb | Agent-Smith: I meant to put DaemonFC | Mar 06 03:59 |
| Agent-Smith | Ahhh | Mar 06 03:59 |
| Agent-Smith | He works at Canonical too ??? | Mar 06 04:00 |
| sebsebseb | Agent-Smith: no | Mar 06 04:00 |
| Agent-Smith | If so, i want to complain | Mar 06 04:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont like ubuntu either. | Mar 06 04:00 |
| Agent-Smith | Ahhh | Mar 06 04:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | Just to be clear. | Mar 06 04:00 |
| Agent-Smith | Good | Mar 06 04:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | Lots of people hate Ubuntu | Mar 06 04:00 |
| Agent-Smith | It makes us 2 then | Mar 06 04:00 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: Which distro/s you use? | Mar 06 04:00 |
| Agent-Smith | Puppy | Mar 06 04:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | Debian | Mar 06 04:00 |
| Agent-Smith | Vector | Mar 06 04:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | have so for 12 years. | Mar 06 04:00 |
| Agent-Smith | Debian | Mar 06 04:00 |
| Agent-Smith | PCLOS | Mar 06 04:00 |
| sebsebseb | I am starting to dislike Ubuntu more starting with 9.04 | Mar 06 04:00 |
| sebsebseb | and now even more since these recent 10.04 changes hrm | Mar 06 04:01 |
| sebsebseb | in the development | Mar 06 04:01 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: see links above if you want | Mar 06 04:01 |
| oiaohm | Oracle is only one of many companies that it would be seen as possible hostile. For apple to take adobe | Mar 06 04:01 |
| Agent-Smith | Well, tell me, if any1 knows... | Mar 06 04:01 |
| Agent-Smith | How to get to the CLI in Ubuntu ??? | Mar 06 04:01 |
| Agent-Smith | No more Inittab | Mar 06 04:01 |
| oiaohm | So apple taking adobe is unlikely to happen. | Mar 06 04:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] Mesa 7.8 has been branched and Master trunk is now labeled 7.9! :) http://bit.ly/brLRCI | Mar 06 04:01 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: mesa/mesa - The Mesa 3D Graphics Library .::. Size~: 14.63 KB | Mar 06 04:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | Agent-Smith: ? | Mar 06 04:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | you get to it like everything else | Mar 06 04:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | open an xterm. | Mar 06 04:02 |
| Agent-Smith | No | Mar 06 04:02 |
| Agent-Smith | I mean runlevel 3 | Mar 06 04:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | single user? | Mar 06 04:02 |
| Agent-Smith | Yup | Mar 06 04:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | uh, I'd assume by using the grub entry for it. | Mar 06 04:03 |
| Agent-Smith | No more inittab to tinker with | Mar 06 04:03 |
| Agent-Smith | Hummmmm... | Mar 06 04:03 |
| Agent-Smith | Well, i would give a tooth to know who comes with these ideas at Canonical... | Mar 06 04:04 |
| Agent-Smith | Is it the former M$ Guy ??? | Mar 06 04:04 |
| Agent-Smith | Ahhh... | Mar 06 04:05 |
| Agent-Smith | There's one i really have a fond love, but for the average joe user, it's complicated | Mar 06 04:05 |
| Agent-Smith | It's Sidux | Mar 06 04:05 |
| Agent-Smith | A very good distro too | Mar 06 04:05 |
| Agent-Smith | But one must have a careful eye on apt-get update | Mar 06 04:06 |
| oiaohm | I run a very mixed debian it part stable part testing part sid | Mar 06 04:07 |
| Agent-Smith | Well, i used Debian etch for a long time | Mar 06 04:07 |
| Agent-Smith | But then, Lenny broke it | Mar 06 04:07 |
| Agent-Smith | So... | Mar 06 04:08 |
| Agent-Smith | I gave a try to Sidux | Mar 06 04:08 |
| Agent-Smith | Good, but breaks very easily | Mar 06 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | Woot! Caprica in HD | Mar 06 04:08 |
| Agent-Smith | Ahhh | Mar 06 04:09 |
| Agent-Smith | Another link | Mar 06 04:09 |
| Agent-Smith | I was reading | Mar 06 04:09 |
| Agent-Smith | http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/03/bbc_iplayer_content_protection.html | Mar 06 04:09 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: BBC - BBC Internet Blog: BBC iPlayer Content Protection Enhancements .::. Size~: 82.68 KB | Mar 06 04:09 |
| Agent-Smith | The chap wants to explain, but if he would remain silent... Would be better... | Mar 06 04:09 |
| Agent-Smith | As Lincoln once said... | Mar 06 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | With malice towards none and charity for all? | Mar 06 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 06 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | that didn't stick did it? | Mar 06 04:10 |
| Agent-Smith | It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt | Mar 06 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not sure that was Lincoln | Mar 06 04:11 |
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| Agent-Smith | Well, i have it for Lincoln's... | Mar 06 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | Solomon's Proverbs | Mar 06 04:13 |
| oiaohm | Boy the bbc don't get it yet. | Mar 06 04:13 |
| Agent-Smith | Blessed wikipedia... ;-) | Mar 06 04:13 |
| DaemonFC | mmhm | Mar 06 04:13 |
| oiaohm | You will not stop people from keeping content longer than they should. | Mar 06 04:13 |
| oiaohm | All they risk doing is pushing the content into the hands of pirates. | Mar 06 04:14 |
| Agent-Smith | This iPlayer issue is all about DRM | Mar 06 04:14 |
| oiaohm | A flawed DRM. | Mar 06 04:15 |
| oiaohm | We send a ping you answer right we send content. | Mar 06 04:15 |
| Agent-Smith | I guess they sell their shows via DVD, don't they ??? | Mar 06 04:15 |
| oiaohm | They do. | Mar 06 04:15 |
| Agent-Smith | Wanna see ??? Ok... Wanna keep ??? Buy | Mar 06 04:15 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Mar 06 04:16 |
| Agent-Smith | But the explanation is laughable | Mar 06 04:16 |
| Agent-Smith | The guy just uses jargon and technobable and says nothing | Mar 06 04:16 |
| Agent-Smith | Bla, bla, bla | Mar 06 04:16 |
| oiaohm | No guy is attempting to dig self out of problem. | Mar 06 04:16 |
| oiaohm | Only one problem digging self in deeper. | Mar 06 04:16 |
| Agent-Smith | Well, i saw a guy trying to explain, but at the end, i was more confused than at the begining | Mar 06 04:17 |
| Agent-Smith | (O.o) | Mar 06 04:17 |
| oiaohm | What I call normal trying to dig self out out of problem. | Mar 06 04:17 |
| Agent-Smith | Yep... | Mar 06 04:18 |
| oiaohm | Only problem digging the wrong way. | Mar 06 04:18 |
| oiaohm | The thing they have to accept is content protection is not going to work. | Mar 06 04:19 |
| oiaohm | Instead they need to look at casing and signatures and the like on the dvds | Mar 06 04:19 |
| oiaohm | Something that makes the item special. | Mar 06 04:19 |
| Agent-Smith | Well, my good fellows | Mar 06 04:20 |
| Agent-Smith | I 'm calling it a night | Mar 06 04:20 |
| Agent-Smith | See you around | Mar 06 04:20 |
| Agent-Smith | Good night for all | Mar 06 04:20 |
| Agent-Smith | Bye | Mar 06 04:20 |
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| DaemonFC | heh, Dominos lets you use a coupon for an American Legends pizza and rebuild the damned thing the way you want it for the coupon price | Mar 06 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | sweet | Mar 06 04:21 |
| oiaohm | Normal. | Mar 06 04:23 |
| oiaohm | Dominos here as done it for years. As long it does not equal more ingredents they will do. | Mar 06 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | well, saves me like $5 vs building the same pizza | Mar 06 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | glad I thought of that | Mar 06 04:24 |
| oiaohm | I still remember using a 2 for 1 of there coupons to get a double topping pizza for price of 1 | Mar 06 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | that works? | Mar 06 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | nice | Mar 06 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | o if they have a 2 large 3 topping coupon, I can get a large 6 topping instead? | Mar 06 04:25 |
| oiaohm | This is the australian end of course | Mar 06 04:25 |
| oiaohm | Here that would work DaemonFC | Mar 06 04:26 |
| oiaohm | Really they are ahead they saved 1 pizza base | Mar 06 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | this is true | Mar 06 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | it's usually like 75 cents a topping | Mar 06 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | so you may be ahead to just get the large 6 topping | Mar 06 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, the new window controls aren't as bad as I thought they would be | Mar 06 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | thought that I would fumble them for a while | Mar 06 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, I just wish they wouldn't consider hot sauce a topping | Mar 06 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | :( | Mar 06 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | you have to sacrifice a real topping to get hot sauce | Mar 06 04:30 |
| oiaohm | Again that depends on shop. | Mar 06 04:30 |
| *DaemonFC likes hot sauce and jalepenos on the pizza | Mar 06 04:30 | |
| oiaohm | Some you can give up the tomato paste for the hot sause | Mar 06 04:31 |
| oiaohm | Dominos is a real trade game. | Mar 06 04:31 |
| DaemonFC | I really don't have an opposition to high Scoville rating in my food | Mar 06 04:32 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Mar 06 04:32 |
| oiaohm | We have the option of barbue or normal tomato paste here. | Mar 06 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhut_Jolokia | Mar 06 04:33 |
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| DaemonFC | I want to get my hands on one of those | Mar 06 04:33 |
| oiaohm | No difference in charge DaemonFC | Mar 06 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | 342 times hotter than Tobasco | Mar 06 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | bet if you bit into one of those you'd die of a heart attack | Mar 06 04:34 |
| oiaohm | http://blog.worldsgreatesthamburgers.com/?p=99 << So you might be able to eat this. | Mar 06 04:37 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Worlds Greatest Hamburger Blog » Blog Archive » Worlds Hottest Burger& and its in Brisbane, Australia .::. Size~: 27.19 KB | Mar 06 04:37 |
| oiaohm | It time to worry when you need rubber gloves to pick you burger up in the first place. | Mar 06 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | I have my credit card number memorized | Mar 06 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 06 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | aren't they supposed to change it too often for that to happen? I've had the same number since 2001 | Mar 06 04:52 |
| oiaohm | Nop | Mar 06 04:55 |
| oiaohm | Tabasco sauce is rated at 4000 SHU and this megadeath sauce is rated at around 500,000 SHU << this is the sauce in the australian mega death bugger | Mar 06 04:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | whats metallica rated at? | Mar 06 04:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | dohohohohohohohohohooh | Mar 06 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | I got a free Redbox rental code cause the machine was busted and I called them :) | Mar 06 05:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | nice | Mar 06 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | I like those Redbox kiosks | Mar 06 05:24 |
| DaemonFC | quite a lot | Mar 06 05:25 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.wfie.com/Global/story.asp?S=12092835 | Mar 06 05:27 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Residents react to Levco's Redbox decision - 14 News, The Tri-State's News and Weather Leader- .::. Size~: 40.81 KB | Mar 06 05:27 |
| DaemonFC | clueless prosecuting attorney on a moral crusade | Mar 06 05:27 |
| DaemonFC | How many minors have credit cards, really? | Mar 06 05:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | none | Mar 06 05:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | they have to be authorized users on an adult's account. | Mar 06 05:29 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.fox59.com/community/newsletter/wxin-redbox-controversy0030310,0,2006657.story | Mar 06 05:33 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Redbox Movies: Indiana prosecutor thinks Redbox Movies allows underage kids to rent R-rated movies - WXIN .::. Size~: 63.34 KB | Mar 06 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, Indiana Family Institute funded this | Mar 06 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | they're an anti-gay hate group | Mar 06 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | local chapter of Focus on the Family | Mar 06 05:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | ahh | Mar 06 05:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | so they're anti-american terrorists | Mar 06 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | terrorists who use the legal system to hurt people instead of bombs I guess | Mar 06 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 06 05:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | so? | Mar 06 05:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | its no different | Mar 06 05:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | attacking an american company for fun and profit is still terrorism | Mar 06 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, I'd compare them to when the Ku Klux Klan controlled the Indiana state government all the way up to the governor | Mar 06 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | back in the 1920s | Mar 06 05:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | that is also terrorism | Mar 06 05:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | and a lot of traitors should have been brought to justice during those days | Mar 06 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | how do you stop an unlawful group when they ARE the law? | Mar 06 05:36 |
| DaemonFC | that's the problem | Mar 06 05:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | if they dont follow the constitution, they arent the law | Mar 06 05:36 |
| DaemonFC | they control judges, lawyers, politicians, and police officers | Mar 06 05:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | and we have a duty to our founding fathers to make sure the constitution is always first. | Mar 06 05:36 |
| DaemonFC | they're basally just under half our state government | Mar 06 05:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | if they raise their fist to americans, then you raise a bigger fist to squash their rebellion. | Mar 06 05:37 |
| DaemonFC | infiltration terrorist group is how I'd describe the Indiana Family Institute | Mar 06 05:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: you destroy them like any other | Mar 06 05:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | anyone who acts unlawfully should be delt with swiftly. | Mar 06 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, They'e nearly 100% of out local government | Mar 06 05:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | So? | Mar 06 05:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | That means nothing. | Mar 06 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | they use the police to harass and bully people | Mar 06 05:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | There is no such thing as an enemy too large. | Mar 06 05:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: no | Mar 06 05:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | they use people who pretend to police | Mar 06 05:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | There are federal laws against this. | Mar 06 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | there is your problem | Mar 06 05:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | I would take myself and thousands of my countrymen to quell this rebellion if I lived in your state. | Mar 06 05:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | Order must be restored. | Mar 06 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | they don't have to be card carrying avowed members | Mar 06 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | so how do you prove they are conspiring? | Mar 06 05:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | Do they wear a badge? | Mar 06 05:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | If so, they are in on the conspiracy. | Mar 06 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | some of them | Mar 06 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | our local judge is real big with them | Mar 06 05:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | Anyone who doesn't join your cause is a terrorist. | Mar 06 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | so is the sheriff | Mar 06 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | I find it funny that the same people in the teabagger movement that want small government was to enact laws to beat people like me senseless | Mar 06 05:41 |
| DaemonFC | is that a state interest? | Mar 06 05:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | The teabagger movement is a false flag attack on civil liberties. | Mar 06 05:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | They are the same as the Republican party | Mar 06 05:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | a vile anti-American group that has spread even to the largest seats of power | Mar 06 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | they havethe Republicans screaming and running away | Mar 06 05:43 |
| DaemonFC | that should tell you how far right they are | Mar 06 05:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: you're slightly confused on that | Mar 06 05:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | they have "normal" Republicans running away | Mar 06 05:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | they have the kind known as neo-cons joining their ranks | Mar 06 05:44 |
| DaemonFC | they're trying to smearthe non-teabagger Republicans in the local primaries | Mar 06 05:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | Bush is one of the best examples of a neocon | Mar 06 05:44 |
| DaemonFC | that's what's scary | Mar 06 05:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | Yup | Mar 06 05:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | its like its a wholey new party inside the republican party | Mar 06 05:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | its starting to split anyhow | Mar 06 05:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | you have ron paul's movement rapidly gaining speed | Mar 06 05:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | a lot of republicans are starting to side with him | Mar 06 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | like the face huggers in Alien | Mar 06 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 06 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | the Republican party is a host to gestate in | Mar 06 05:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | ron paul, imo, represents whats right with the republican party | Mar 06 05:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | a lot of people used to call him crazy | Mar 06 05:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | but hes not | Mar 06 05:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | he saw this coming long before anyone did | Mar 06 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | Bad news: Siberian methane leakage will kill us all. Good news: "Us all" includes the Indiana Family Institute | Mar 06 06:18 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not all negative | Mar 06 06:18 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, To borrow from MinceR, I live in a miniature Absurdistan (town and county government) | Mar 06 06:30 |
| DaemonFC | only one party | Mar 06 06:30 |
| DaemonFC | and choose the least bad Republican | Mar 06 06:30 |
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| DaemonFC | so I get to vote for some Republicans this year because the Primary is the only decider | Mar 06 06:30 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hHCGj0yxFA6eDknOtLttZKKyG1OQD9E8POS80 | Mar 06 06:48 |
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| DaemonFC | Soup anyone? | Mar 06 06:48 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1967702,00.html | Mar 06 06:51 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google 's FOSS-oriented Event Sold Out http://ostatic.com/blog/registration-for-google-i-o-conference-closed-event-sold-out | Mar 06 07:03 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux and FOSS Coverage from #CeBIT http://ur1.ca/ojmm http://ur1.ca/ojmn http://ur1.ca/ojmo http://ur1.ca/ojmp | Mar 06 07:04 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Psion Announced “Open Source Mobility” Move http://ur1.ca/ojmu http://ur1.ca/ojmv | Mar 06 07:04 | |
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| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Psion Launches “Ingenuity Working,” an Online Open Community for Customers, Partners and Developers .::. Size~: 16.8 KB | Mar 06 07:05 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Women in #FreeSoftware Get New 'Umbrellas' http://ur1.ca/ojmx http://ur1.ca/ojmy | Mar 06 07:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Web Standards Make Progress, Beat Flash http://ur1.ca/ojom http://ur1.ca/ojon | Mar 06 07:31 | |
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| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Virgin America Ditches Adobe Flash for New Site .::. Size~: 82.83 KB | Mar 06 07:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FBI 'Pulls a Microsoft' (Employs Shills to Disrupt Forums) http://ur1.ca/oikz | Mar 06 07:32 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: FBI paid racist shock jock Hal Turner in excess of $100,0002 | Raw Story .::. Size~: 45.64 KB | Mar 06 07:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LibDems Push to Make 'Chinese Censorship' in the UK http://ur1.ca/ojoy http://ur1.ca/ojoz http://ur1.ca/ojp0 http://ur1.ca/ojp2 | Mar 06 07:34 | |
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| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Francis Davey: New amendment gives copyright owners a blank cheque for web censorship .::. Size~: 82.42 KB | Mar 06 07:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #DMCA Done More Harm Than Good in the US, UK http://ur1.ca/ojp3 http://ur1.ca/oggh | Mar 06 07:35 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Unintended Consequences: Twelve Years Under the DMCA | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 13.67 KB | Mar 06 07:35 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #NewZealand and #Germany Resist Parts of #ACTA http://ur1.ca/o1xs http://ur1.ca/ojpb | Mar 06 07:38 | |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/josephtartakoff/statuses/9986224996 everything is being renamed "Cloud" | Mar 06 08:30 |
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| Diablo-D3 | clouds are dead. | Mar 06 08:33 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, You can make a bong out of a Sobe bottle | Mar 06 08:37 |
| DaemonFC | clouds are not dead | Mar 06 08:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Gates Foundation's Head Gags Academic Researchers, Forbes Magazine Calls Gates Vaccination “Utterly Repellent” http://ur1.ca/ojuc | Mar 06 08:41 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] http://bit.ly/b6qoQp - Beer and Clamato. For those times you want to throw up before you're drunk? | Mar 06 08:41 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Gates Foundations Head of Global Health Gags Academic Researchers With Threats, Forbes Magazine Calls Gates Vaccination “Utterly Repellent” | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 90.81 KB | Mar 06 08:41 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, Does that look like anything you'd drink? | Mar 06 08:42 |
| DaemonFC | beer, tomato juice, clam juice | Mar 06 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | mmmm | Mar 06 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | with salt and lime | Mar 06 08:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont drink, DaemonFC. | Mar 06 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | must be awful thirsty | Mar 06 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | :p | Mar 06 08:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] After 3 days with #Konquerer I come back to #Firefox | Mar 06 09:00 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Angers the World by Asking for a Form of Security Bailout http://ur1.ca/ojxs #windows #tax | Mar 06 09:16 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft Angers the World by Asking for a Form of Security Bailout, More Fundamental Windows Flaws Found | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 92.93 KB | Mar 06 09:16 |
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| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: konq, seriously? | Mar 06 10:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | go use midori if you're that hardup for an alternative | Mar 06 10:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] David Kappos Does Not Understand Why the #USPTO is Broken http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/06/uspto-makes-things-worse/ #swpat #peer2patent | Mar 06 10:02 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: David Kappos Does Not Understand Why the USPTO is Broken | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 90.65 KB | Mar 06 10:02 |
| tessier__ | Yarro deal approved...how odd. | Mar 06 10:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @paulopedroso: A ler. RT @vascocampilho: Li e Gostei: The Portuguese economy is more flexible than the U.S. http://ow.ly/16JmuJ | Mar 06 10:23 | |
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| oiaohm | Boy just reading threw the links lot of people don't get why a PC will be dead in 3 years. | Mar 06 10:26 |
| oiaohm | All keep on thinking phones will be stuck to the same size screen that will fit on the device. | Mar 06 10:27 |
| oiaohm | Have they not see the devices appearing with in built projectors. | Mar 06 10:27 |
| schestowitz | "try chromium-browser ♻ @schestowitz: After 3 days with #Konquerer I come back to #Firefox" "@jepong it's too close to #Google IMHO #doknowevil" | Mar 06 10:33 |
| schestowitz | I guess I'll stay with Firefox then | Mar 06 10:34 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: or tablets | Mar 06 10:34 |
| oiaohm | Tablets are still limited size screen compared to projection. | Mar 06 10:37 |
| oiaohm | Phone + docking station + network storage could be a nasty combination | Mar 06 10:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple Uses #USPTO / #ITC Protectionism to Fight Desktop #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/ok5n the problem is #swpat | Mar 06 10:41 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Q: How many Bill Gateses does it take to change the lightbulb?? A: None. He just calls a meeting and make darkness the standard! | Mar 06 10:56 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A look at what goes on in #Mono , #Moonlight , and #Yahoo , which relays users to #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/ok8y | Mar 06 11:24 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Novell and Yahoo! Gifts to Microsoft | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 87.05 KB | Mar 06 11:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | HAHAHAH wow | Mar 06 11:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | I think that do right os video is now #18 | Mar 06 11:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | the system is still updating however | Mar 06 11:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Now sitting at #srijan at #html5workshop , vivek khurana is speaking now. | Mar 06 11:43 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] 99 bitches and a problem ain't one http://andiamnotlying.com/2010/types-of-bitches/ | Mar 06 11:55 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: And I Am Not Lying » Blog Archive » Types of Bitches .::. Size~: 219.92 KB | Mar 06 11:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Tragic! Nexuiz getting a nonfree fork and stealing the name: http://www.alientrap.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=6043 #gnu #freesoftware | Mar 06 12:04 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/comment/why-microsoft-cant-afford-to-let-novell-die-5681 | Mar 06 12:27 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Why Microsoft Cant Afford To Let Novell Die | eWEEK Europe UK .::. Size~: 28.14 KB | Mar 06 12:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/google-china-hack-stole-source-code-5673 | Mar 06 12:32 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Google China Hack Stole Source Code | eWEEK Europe UK .::. Size~: 28.16 KB | Mar 06 12:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20100304051547830 "My main, personal, concern is that squabbles over this kind of amount of money are keeping open-source software out of the K-12 education system." | Mar 06 12:33 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Elliott Associates and Novell: All About a Game of Cat and Mouse - ConsortiumInfo.org .::. Size~: 49.36 KB | Mar 06 12:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | wee | Mar 06 12:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | its #17 | Mar 06 12:34 |
| schestowitz | "i agree... hopes firefox-kde comes to kubuntu ASAP ♻ @schestowitz: @jepong it's too close to #Google IMHO #doknowevil " http://identi.ca/notice/23893652 | Mar 06 12:36 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Jeffrey Seguerra (jepong) 's status on Saturday, 06-Mar-10 10:35:27 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.32 KB | Mar 06 12:36 |
| Omar87 | Microsoft is participating the W3C HTML working group. | Mar 06 13:00 |
| Omar87 | *in* the W3C working group.. | Mar 06 13:00 |
| schestowitz | GNOME devs with macs? wtf? http://jimmac.musichall.cz/log/?p=946 | Mar 06 13:03 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: YES | Mar 06 13:03 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I really wonder what kind of web standards organization lets the most notorious company when it comes to standards.. :-) | Mar 06 13:05 |
| Omar87 | W3C is pathetic, imho. | Mar 06 13:06 |
| oiaohm | Really its better for anti-trust. | Mar 06 13:12 |
| oiaohm | MS cannot claim they did not know what the standards were. Omar87 | Mar 06 13:13 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, of course. They are fully aware of the standards yet they blatantly brag about breaking them. | Mar 06 13:14 |
| oiaohm | That blatantly brag about breaking them lead to the browser ballet in the EU | Mar 06 13:16 |
| oiaohm | Everything has its price Omar87 | Mar 06 13:16 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, that's right. | Mar 06 13:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.wafaa.eu/entry/symbian-vs-android-1-18.html | Mar 06 13:19 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: European Wafaa | Symbian vs Android .::. Size~: 23.83 KB | Mar 06 13:19 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: small price | Mar 06 13:19 |
| schestowitz | The nuisance they cause to Linux users by breaking web standards is great | Mar 06 13:20 |
| oiaohm | Really the nuisance caused to Linux pails into compare to the nuisance caused to doing business. | Mar 06 13:42 |
| MinceR | 135544 < schestowitz> GNOME devs with macs? wtf? http://jimmac.musichall.cz/log/?p=946 | Mar 06 13:52 |
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| MinceR | that explains everything. | Mar 06 13:52 |
| oiaohm | http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Hardware-attack-on-RSA-implementation-947726.html Interesting. | Mar 06 14:37 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Hardware attack on RSA implementation - The H Security: News and Features .::. Size~: 35.31 KB | Mar 06 14:37 |
| MinceR | i'd love to see such an attack succeed on the TPM | Mar 06 14:41 |
| MinceR | it's much easier than dissolving the casing and poking around inside :> | Mar 06 14:42 |
| MinceR | (also, it won't leave any marks afterward) | Mar 06 14:42 |
| oiaohm | Yep it messing with powersupply. | Mar 06 14:44 |
| oiaohm | Problem is a suspect powersupply can happen normally. | Mar 06 14:45 |
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| *MinceR hopes that's not what just happened :> | Mar 06 14:45 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/mar/02/clinton-us-britain-argentina-falklands-oil | Mar 06 14:46 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Clinton: US will help resolve Falklands oil row |UK news |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 70.53 KB | Mar 06 14:46 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2010/03/05/crypto-fear.html | Mar 06 14:47 |
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| schestowitz | OMG! | Mar 06 14:47 |
| schestowitz | Someone got my CPU in a lab! | Mar 06 14:47 |
| schestowitz | I think they can get data from it :-)_ | Mar 06 14:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1153275.html | Mar 06 14:49 |
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| schestowitz | A amazing | Mar 06 14:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/feb/23/worlds-coral-reefs-disintegrate-2100 | Mar 06 14:49 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: World's coral reefs could disintegrate by 2100 |Environment |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 191.83 KB | Mar 06 14:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Spideroak for backup on Ubuntu.. good or bad? | Mar 06 14:58 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.androidguys.com/2010/03/05/beta-test-swype-2/ | Mar 06 15:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://gizmodo.com/5486397/htc-dont-carry-your-nexus-one-in-your-pocket | Mar 06 15:07 |
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| MinceR | that's what carrying cases are for, duh | Mar 06 15:08 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Just back from office cultural's "Wings" . Had good time with folks. Danced for "variyaaa" song from "puthupettai" :D #wings | Mar 06 15:27 | |
| schestowitz | Slashdot repeats Microsoft LIES: http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/03/05/1653230/Microsoft-Spends-9-Billion-On-Research-Focuses-On-Cloud | Mar 06 15:34 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.cringely.com/2010/03/another-new-gig-for-bob/ | Mar 06 15:45 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: I, Cringely » Blog Archive » Fire in the Hole! Another New Gig for Bob - Cringely on technology .::. Size~: 47.18 KB | Mar 06 15:45 |
| schestowitz | "Until leaving PBS at the end of 2008 I could claim I had been fired from every job I ever held, which isn’t nearly as bad as it sounds. Leaving PBS after 11 years broke that pattern, but not for long. Now I have been fired from Home-Account, my mortgage startup. How does one found a company and then get fired from it? That’s easy: you get in a fight with the CEO. At least that’s how I tend to do it." | Mar 06 15:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] New Blog Post: Which Podcasts? http://bit.ly/aeBPxI - let me know what podcasts I should be listening to.. | Mar 06 15:45 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Which Podcasts? | popey.com blog .::. Size~: 21.48 KB | Mar 06 15:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/home/2010/03/guerrilla-sticker-of-the-week.html | Mar 06 15:57 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Guerrilla Sticker of the Week - Big Brother Watch .::. Size~: 36.97 KB | Mar 06 15:57 |
| schestowitz | http://digg.com/news/linux_unix/ | Mar 06 16:01 |
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| schestowitz | I remember when Linux made the FP like 7 times a day | Mar 06 16:01 |
| schestowitz | Digg is not a tech site anymore | Mar 06 16:02 |
| MinceR | it stopped being a tech site when the crApple cultists swarmed it | Mar 06 16:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-03-05-002-35-OP-NT-0006 | Mar 06 16:06 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Linux Today - Firm Behind Novell Bid Has Shady Past, Could be Tied to Microsoft .::. Size~: 72.61 KB | Mar 06 16:06 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: sort of | Mar 06 16:06 |
| schestowitz | http://asay.blogspot.com/2010/02/not-my-will.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Acos+%28AC%2FOS%29 | Mar 06 16:42 |
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| schestowitz | "Each night I muster all the faith I have to plead with God to let me sit around with my family, doing absolutely nothing for anyone else." | Mar 06 16:42 |
| schestowitz | He's religious then. | Mar 06 16:42 |
| schestowitz | Not in the Apple sense. | Mar 06 16:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.softwarefreedom.org/blog/2010/jan/22/letter-editors-new-york-times/ | Mar 06 16:50 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Letter to the Editor(s) of The New York Times - SFLC Blog - Software Freedom Law Center .::. Size~: 14.77 KB | Mar 06 16:50 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Mar 06 16:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] it's 5pm. if i'm going out i need to haul arse. otoh sitting here doing 0 is lovely. i just *might* have become terminally dull. | Mar 06 17:05 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "The Globe made a mistake to write about #Kissinger as man of vision" Mistake? It's an outrage! http://bit.ly/cSodTr #war #crime #cia #death | Mar 06 17:10 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Where are the Kissingers for the 21st century? - The Globe and Mail .::. Size~: 83.87 KB | Mar 06 17:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺@samadeu: Proposta antipirataria do Governo inglês é derrotada na Câmara dos Lordes http://bit.ly/cULEcc | Mar 06 17:15 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: BBC News - Lords force rethink of government's online piracy plans .::. Size~: 55.2 KB | Mar 06 17:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @mjnalmeida: "HACKED BY NEO" http://bit.ly/aNgDDR | Mar 06 17:24 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Miguel Almeida: "HACKED BY NEO" .::. Size~: 7.37 KB | Mar 06 17:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] #elmdentica now allows choosing your preferred browser and supports public, user and friends timelines. Also a bit faster, uses more EFL. | Mar 06 17:26 | |
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| MinceR | (flash) (video) (audio) http://www.cracked.com/video_18156_a-trailer-every-academy-award-winning-movie-ever.html | Mar 06 17:34 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: A Trailer for Every Academy Award Winning Movie Ever - Funny Videos | Cracked.com .::. Size~: 51.89 KB | Mar 06 17:34 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: well, there are some religions that aren't mutually exclusive | Mar 06 17:34 |
| MinceR | such as Money Worship, crApple Cultism and Catholicism. | Mar 06 17:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Making pancakes a-la-delia for Sam and me whilst Mummy and Sophie are out.. shhh | Mar 06 17:34 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] If they are doing it, so can we? – RIAA v File sharers (again) http://tinyurl.com/ycfxpdr #piracy #tpb #riaa | Mar 06 17:58 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: If they are doing it, so can we? RIAA v File sharers (again) « OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 32.88 KB | Mar 06 17:59 |
| Palkia | Have you guys heard of Van Rompuy | Mar 06 18:10 |
| Palkia | Dictator of the EU | Mar 06 18:10 |
| MinceR | i haven't | Mar 06 18:11 |
| MinceR | yet | Mar 06 18:11 |
| Palkia | you should look him up | Mar 06 18:12 |
| Palkia | nobody voted for him | Mar 06 18:12 |
| MinceR | interesting | Mar 06 18:14 |
| Palkia | correct it is interesting | Mar 06 18:21 |
| Palkia | the european union isn't a democracy | Mar 06 18:22 |
| Palkia | gbrainy seems to be a rip off of nintendo's brain age | Mar 06 18:23 |
| Palkia | except brain age doesn't suck and isn't infected with mono | Mar 06 18:24 |
| MinceR | the way Van Rompuy was elected seems to be reminiscent of how we elect the president | Mar 06 18:24 |
| MinceR | i don't yet know the significance of this | Mar 06 18:24 |
| MinceR | brain age is also proprietary and in addition non-gratis, though :> | Mar 06 18:25 |
| MinceR | (well, i'm not sure if i'd want to call mono and mono-dependent stuff "proprietary", but mono itself is certainly non-free) | Mar 06 18:25 |
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| _Goblin | hi all | Mar 06 18:26 |
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| Palkia | you caught me :P | Mar 06 18:28 |
| Palkia | mincer, where are you from | Mar 06 18:28 |
| MinceR | hungary | Mar 06 18:28 |
| Palkia | im unfamiliar with your electoral process | Mar 06 18:29 |
| MinceR | here the president is elected by the parliament after the parliament is elected, iirc | Mar 06 18:29 |
| Palkia | as for brainage, i dont mind proprietary games as long as they are isolated from my work pc's | Mar 06 18:29 |
| MinceR | and the EC seems to consist of the prime ministers of the member countries | Mar 06 18:30 |
| Palkia | no amount of advocacy will free consoles, too much control | Mar 06 18:30 |
| MinceR | not only that, but the console business model depends on closedness | Mar 06 18:30 |
| Palkia | yes | Mar 06 18:30 |
| MinceR | so it's doomed to suck | Mar 06 18:30 |
| Palkia | if they released the console nobody would buy games | Mar 06 18:30 |
| MinceR | people would, but the manufacturer of the console wouldn't recoup their costs | Mar 06 18:31 |
| Palkia | dreamcast failed when people found out how to rip the code needed for the isos, no mod chip required | Mar 06 18:31 |
| _Goblin | I disagree, I think the closedness of the consoles will be their salvation in respect of gaming. | Mar 06 18:31 |
| MinceR | _Goblin: how so? | Mar 06 18:31 |
| _Goblin | just to the PC for the plethora of problems associated with installing/playing a new game....whatever you think of the closedness of consoles, they are "plug in and play" and at the end of the day, simplicity is what the end user wants. | Mar 06 18:32 |
| _Goblin | *just look | Mar 06 18:32 |
| Palkia | pc games have an advantage though | Mar 06 18:32 |
| _Goblin | whats that? | Mar 06 18:32 |
| Palkia | better hardware | Mar 06 18:32 |
| _Goblin | yes, but thats part of the problem.... | Mar 06 18:32 |
| _Goblin | most end users do not want to constantly upgrade just to play games. | Mar 06 18:33 |
| Palkia | I doubt we'd have compiz and kwin 3d compositing effects if gamers didn't push the hardware | Mar 06 18:33 |
| _Goblin | I think we would.... | Mar 06 18:33 |
| _Goblin | I don't think the average desktop PC has followed the gaming market. | Mar 06 18:33 |
| Palkia | significantly less advanced | Mar 06 18:33 |
| _Goblin | the average buyer wants a family PC | Mar 06 18:34 |
| _Goblin | its only the hardcore gamers now that keep the PC speced up. | Mar 06 18:34 |
| Palkia | if I let my gpu throttle itself on low power my 3d effects sometimes get laggy | Mar 06 18:34 |
| Palkia | and vista/win7 | Mar 06 18:34 |
| Palkia | LOL | Mar 06 18:34 |
| Palkia | vista/win7 is pushing hardware limits | Mar 06 18:34 |
| _Goblin | I think if we are to apportion "blame" for the high specs of PC's these days, it would be attributed to Windows and its associated bloatware. | Mar 06 18:34 |
| Palkia | it's doing it for the wrong reasons | Mar 06 18:34 |
| Palkia | yeah microsoft is the biggest abuser of needlessly pushing hardware | Mar 06 18:35 |
| _Goblin | thats my 10p worth anyway! | Mar 06 18:35 |
| Palkia | i have a pentium 2 laptop that stills runs | Mar 06 18:35 |
| Palkia | not on windows | Mar 06 18:36 |
| MinceR | PC games have lots of advantages | Mar 06 18:36 |
| _Goblin | I have often stated that I think the PC is on borrowed time in terms of proprietary off the shelf games. | Mar 06 18:36 |
| _Goblin | yep...but none for the devs. | Mar 06 18:36 |
| MinceR | homebrew, modding, better controllers, better hardware | Mar 06 18:36 |
| _Goblin | thats also the issue | Mar 06 18:36 |
| Palkia | _Goblin - i'll have to disagree still | Mar 06 18:36 |
| MinceR | as you can see, some of these are for the devs | Mar 06 18:36 |
| Palkia | for mincers reasons | Mar 06 18:36 |
| MinceR | also, there's a lower cost to enter into competition | Mar 06 18:36 |
| Palkia | and | Mar 06 18:36 |
| _Goblin | piracy, patches, compat probs....none of which the devs need to worry about with a console release. | Mar 06 18:36 |
| MinceR | and online sales of PC games works better | Mar 06 18:36 |
| MinceR | wrong again | Mar 06 18:36 |
| MinceR | they do need to worry about piracy on consoles | Mar 06 18:36 |
| Palkia | there are types of games you can't play on consoles yet | Mar 06 18:37 |
| _Goblin | yes...but hardly to the extent of PC | Mar 06 18:37 |
| MinceR | and they do release buggy code on consoles that needs to be patched later | Mar 06 18:37 |
| MinceR | and in fact being easy to patch is an advantage for the publisher | Mar 06 18:37 |
| _Goblin | and look at MS and their recent purge of hacked machines. | Mar 06 18:37 |
| MinceR | because it means they can release earlier and worry less about patching | Mar 06 18:37 |
| MinceR | m$ could only "purge" them from suxbox live | Mar 06 18:37 |
| Palkia | they can release buggy console games and use updates to fix them for paying customers | Mar 06 18:37 |
| _Goblin | Which platform do you think looses more money through piracy? PC or console? (proportionally) | Mar 06 18:37 |
| MinceR | dunno | Mar 06 18:38 |
| _Goblin | and with console dev, they are coding for the same platform specs.....less headache | Mar 06 18:38 |
| Palkia | consoles | Mar 06 18:38 |
| Palkia | i think consoles are losing more money | Mar 06 18:38 |
| _Goblin | of course. | Mar 06 18:38 |
| MinceR | pc has probably a higher rate of piracy, but consoles depend on platform licensing more | Mar 06 18:38 |
| _Goblin | thats why its being seen as desirable. | Mar 06 18:38 |
| _Goblin | we have even had devs in here saying the same thing/ | Mar 06 18:38 |
| Palkia | consoles are plug and play piracy, you get a mod chip and you can play all the copied games your heart desires | Mar 06 18:38 |
| _Goblin | and look what MS did. | Mar 06 18:39 |
| Palkia | on pc you have to break each one individually | Mar 06 18:39 |
| Palkia | on pc, you can have a mix of hacked games and legal games and still play the legal ones online | Mar 06 18:39 |
| _Goblin | and how easy is it to get into a BT swarm rather than chip your console? | Mar 06 18:39 |
| Palkia | on console, if you want to play hacked games you might have to give up online gaming | Mar 06 18:39 |
| Palkia | i know people who purchased their console twice | Mar 06 18:40 |
| MinceR | same is true for PC games | Mar 06 18:40 |
| Palkia | one xbox360 for hacked games, one for xbox live | Mar 06 18:40 |
| MinceR | for most MMOs the only servers are owned by the publisher. | Mar 06 18:40 |
| _Goblin | palkia: Look how desperate PC devs are getting in terms of trying to combat piracy. You think this can go on? http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2010/02/27/why-pc-gaming-has-its-days-numbered/ | Mar 06 18:40 |
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| MinceR | they're Doing It Wrong | Mar 06 18:40 |
| _Goblin | even the end users are now saying....hell I'll go with the console version instead. | Mar 06 18:41 |
| MinceR | as soon as they realize that DRM is not the answer, it will all be solved | Mar 06 18:41 |
| MinceR | who the hell says that? | Mar 06 18:41 |
| _Goblin | really? and what is? they can't stop piracy with it, they can't stop it without it.....what on earth can they do? | Mar 06 18:41 |
| Palkia | ubisoft make bad games | Mar 06 18:41 |
| _Goblin | Mincer: Look at any of the review sites comments (or my article) | Mar 06 18:42 |
| MinceR | sane prices and removing DRM (that inconveniences legitimate users) | Mar 06 18:42 |
| _Goblin | and thats never going to happen | Mar 06 18:42 |
| MinceR | also, making games that don't suck would help too | Mar 06 18:42 |
| Palkia | games are becomming a rip off anyways | Mar 06 18:42 |
| MinceR | well then proprietary pc gaming is going to die | Mar 06 18:42 |
| Palkia | how many games are released, for all consoles, incomplete, and have download content you need to buy seprately | Mar 06 18:42 |
| _Goblin | as I say, move to the consoles only....maximize profits...look at the examples GTA, COD.....more money in console gaming than in Hollywood allegedly. | Mar 06 18:42 |
| Palkia | they are hardly suffering | Mar 06 18:42 |
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| MinceR | meanwhile there will be more pressure to make FLOSS games better | Mar 06 18:43 |
| _Goblin | Mincer: Ive been saying that ever since the console became a more generic entertainment system in the living room. | Mar 06 18:43 |
| Palkia | I purchased Fallout 3, only to find out that I needed to buy the rest of the game 4 different times | Mar 06 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I've borrowed that "Absurdistan" term | Mar 06 18:43 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: i've seen it | Mar 06 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | to refer to the local single party government | Mar 06 18:43 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: i don't mind... also, i've borrowed it myself. | Mar 06 18:43 |
| _Goblin | Mincer: Agreed, conversley I think the FLOSS section will thrive....it already is. | Mar 06 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | I just wrote a thing for the paper and used it, got a kick out of that | Mar 06 18:44 |
| Palkia | FLOSS could easily make an MMO, and use a system close to what those free to play ones use | Mar 06 18:44 |
| MinceR | true | Mar 06 18:44 |
| Palkia | People could use real money to buy in game items, with that money being used to fund FLOSS | Mar 06 18:44 |
| MinceR | and free FPS-es and RTS-es already exist and they're great | Mar 06 18:44 |
| Palkia | yeah | Mar 06 18:45 |
| _Goblin | where I think the consoles lack, is as was said earlier "open" development. I believe that if you have a 360 project you want to release, it will cost you to do so and its on MS's terms. | Mar 06 18:45 |
| MinceR | (well, at least the code is free) | Mar 06 18:45 |
| _Goblin | palkia: MMO? | Mar 06 18:45 |
| Palkia | yeah | Mar 06 18:45 |
| Palkia | like world of warcraft | Mar 06 18:45 |
| _Goblin | MMO? | Mar 06 18:45 |
| Palkia | MMORPG | Mar 06 18:45 |
| MinceR | MMORPG | Mar 06 18:45 |
| _Goblin | er palkia.....theres loads already | Mar 06 18:45 |
| Palkia | FLOSS? | Mar 06 18:46 |
| _Goblin | I wrote an article on 4...some of which are open. | Mar 06 18:46 |
| _Goblin | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2010/02/12/linux-gaming-the-rpg-question/ | Mar 06 18:46 |
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| _Goblin | I believe Planeshift is. | Mar 06 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | My letter mainly criticizes the recent "study" done by "unnamed volunteers" that presented us with the budget cut proposals. I allege that the "panel" does not exist and may even by the administration itself until I see names. | Mar 06 18:46 |
| _Goblin | and I could be wrong, but so is Eternal Lands. | Mar 06 18:47 |
| Palkia | interesting | Mar 06 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | I don't suppose many of the local government like me very much | Mar 06 18:47 |
| Palkia | ill check it out thanks | Mar 06 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | *be | Mar 06 18:47 |
| Palkia | I heard of planeshift but it requires replacing all the artwork | Mar 06 18:47 |
| Palkia | or using their servers | Mar 06 18:47 |
| _Goblin | couldn't tell you... | Mar 06 18:48 |
| _Goblin | I think though, for most end users, the fact that its free is all that matters. | Mar 06 18:49 |
| Palkia | anyone familiar with Maplestory? | Mar 06 18:50 |
| Palkia | I marvel at how simple of a game it is and it's insanely popular | Mar 06 18:50 |
| Palkia | 2D MMORPG | Mar 06 18:50 |
| Palkia | its proprietary/free though, not FLOSS | Mar 06 18:50 |
| _Goblin | sorry afk there... | Mar 06 18:53 |
| _Goblin | true but as I say...to the majority (or mainstream gameplayer) they could care less as long as its free | Mar 06 18:53 |
| _Goblin | if GTA 4 was released under the GPL would the majority of players of it care if the source was available or not? | Mar 06 18:54 |
| _Goblin | and since games are aimed at entertaining the gamer more than they are to satisfy the needs of other coders whats the problem with closed source free software? | Mar 06 18:54 |
| Palkia | end users might not | Mar 06 18:55 |
| Palkia | unless devs added new features the original developers didnt think of | Mar 06 18:55 |
| _Goblin | seriously? You are saying the end-users who are gamers DONT completely outnumber those that MIGHT be interested in the source code. | Mar 06 18:55 |
| _Goblin | can you say out of the millions who bought GTA 4 wanted the source? I bet the majority of them wouldn't even know what "src" meant. | Mar 06 18:56 |
| _Goblin | games are for entertaining the massing (I presume thats why someone would code one) | Mar 06 18:56 |
| _Goblin | *masses | Mar 06 18:56 |
| _Goblin | the benefit of src would be only of benefit to a very small few. | Mar 06 18:57 |
| _Goblin | (IMO) | Mar 06 18:57 |
| Palkia | nono | Mar 06 18:57 |
| Palkia | im saying end users might be interested in what the devs do with the code | Mar 06 18:57 |
| _Goblin | how so? | Mar 06 18:57 |
| _Goblin | really? | Mar 06 18:57 |
| Palkia | if it adds to their playability | Mar 06 18:57 |
| _Goblin | how many gamers do you know that would even know about coding? | Mar 06 18:58 |
| _Goblin | or even want to see how something works. | Mar 06 18:58 |
| Palkia | if being open source it adds a gameplay enhancing feature | Mar 06 18:58 |
| _Goblin | not true....devs include mod kits for that exact purpose. | Mar 06 18:58 |
| _Goblin | Morrowind | Mar 06 18:58 |
| Palkia | lets say someone adds multiplayer support, thats significant to get the average joe interested | Mar 06 18:58 |
| _Goblin | for example. | Mar 06 18:58 |
| Palkia | I don't think the end users themselves will care about the code at all | Mar 06 18:59 |
| _Goblin | and you really believe that someone would take the GTA (and effetively) re-rewrite most of it to accomodate multiplay? | Mar 06 18:59 |
| _Goblin | if it was open source? | Mar 06 18:59 |
| _Goblin | can you imagine how many lines of code are contained within GTA 4 | Mar 06 18:59 |
| _Goblin | maybe if we were using ZX 48k's I would agree... | Mar 06 19:00 |
| Palkia | people did it with previous gta's without the code | Mar 06 19:00 |
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| _Goblin | but now you are talking about reverse engineering? | Mar 06 19:00 |
| _Goblin | I presume? | Mar 06 19:00 |
| Palkia | thats how they did it pre-gta4 yes | Mar 06 19:00 |
| _Goblin | have you a link? | Mar 06 19:01 |
| Palkia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi_Theft_Auto | Mar 06 19:01 |
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| _Goblin | and wheres the freedom for the dev to release it in anyway they want? Its all well and good talking about users "freedom" but where is the freedom of a software house NOT to have its products changed if it doesnt want them so. | Mar 06 19:02 |
| Palkia | releasing code of older games has helped increase the number of ports too | Mar 06 19:02 |
| _Goblin | If I wrote a game which was closed source and it was reverse engineered to perform in a way I had not intended, I'd be a bit unhappy. | Mar 06 19:02 |
| Palkia | duke3d being played on everything from handhelds to high end pcs | Mar 06 19:02 |
| Palkia | originally an MS-DOS game | Mar 06 19:02 |
| _Goblin | but then freedom only seems to stretch to the end user....also in respect of an MS-DOS game we are talking significantly smaller code than recent titles are we not? | Mar 06 19:03 |
| Palkia | more recent I can think of Quake3's engine | Mar 06 19:04 |
| Palkia | Nexuis :) | Mar 06 19:04 |
| _Goblin | talk about freedom to the author of Crayon Physics, the one man bedroom coder who tried to earn himself some money only for his product to be cracked and spread. | Mar 06 19:04 |
| Palkia | nexuiz | Mar 06 19:04 |
| _Goblin | good game | Mar 06 19:04 |
| _Goblin | Ive covered it on my site a while ago. | Mar 06 19:04 |
| Palkia | yeah | Mar 06 19:05 |
| _Goblin | although I prefered Alien Arena. | Mar 06 19:05 |
| Palkia | it would just be a mod if the code wasn't released | Mar 06 19:05 |
| _Goblin | Im sure it would....but then theres plenty of choice about anyway. | Mar 06 19:05 |
| Palkia | yes | Mar 06 19:05 |
| _Goblin | also its not all good having all this code knocking about.... | Mar 06 19:06 |
| _Goblin | look at the highlevel dev packages like Gamemaker.... | Mar 06 19:06 |
| Palkia | i think people could still make money off opensource engines + proprietary artwork/content | Mar 06 19:06 |
| _Goblin | you give someone the tools to create some software and you get clone upon clone of the same thing and the decent work gets lost in a miasma of duplicates and bad coding where people think because they can copy and paste they are leet coders. | Mar 06 19:07 |
| Palkia | i'm pretty sure that's why people like wriitng c# | Mar 06 19:08 |
| _Goblin | palkia: Im sure they could and thats a decision for each dev....like I say the same "freedom" end-users want should be extended to the people who actually code the stuff. | Mar 06 19:08 |
| Palkia | lots of code to copy and paste for their programs | Mar 06 19:08 |
| _Goblin | although in the case of c# its still struggling to get that killer app and failing to compete against similar titles written with more traditional languages. | Mar 06 19:09 |
| Palkia | yeah gnote shows how bad tomboy really is | Mar 06 19:09 |
| _Goblin | very true. | Mar 06 19:09 |
| Palkia | more resources, more c02 used | Mar 06 19:10 |
| _Goblin | Novell's "Gift to the world" only seems to be being used by Novell employee's who are struggling to convince people to use it. | Mar 06 19:10 |
| Palkia | Novell and Canonical | Mar 06 19:10 |
| _Goblin | Canonical? | Mar 06 19:10 |
| Palkia | yeah | Mar 06 19:10 |
| Palkia | Ubuntu | Mar 06 19:10 |
| _Goblin | its a tool for Canonical...not an ongoing project/concern. | Mar 06 19:11 |
| Palkia | as long as novell people are steering it | Mar 06 19:11 |
| _Goblin | I'm quite sure Ubuntu will pull the plug on it if they have concerns or get bad feedback from the end-user. | Mar 06 19:11 |
| _Goblin | afterall, we have plenty of alternative mature DE's to use instead. | Mar 06 19:12 |
| Palkia | Ubuntu does not honour user input, they decide whats best for the user. | Mar 06 19:12 |
| _Goblin | Open Office? | Mar 06 19:12 |
| _Goblin | that was returned because of feedback. | Mar 06 19:12 |
| _Goblin | the GIMP is another matter.... | Mar 06 19:12 |
| Palkia | yes see | Mar 06 19:12 |
| Palkia | lol | Mar 06 19:12 |
| Palkia | they use it sure | Mar 06 19:12 |
| _Goblin | and there is a concret issue behind its removal. | Mar 06 19:12 |
| Palkia | however, ultimately they may decide against it thinking its not in the users best interest | Mar 06 19:13 |
| _Goblin | that was not the reason for removal. | Mar 06 19:13 |
| omar_ | Palkia, yeah, I totally agree with you about that. | Mar 06 19:13 |
| Palkia | gimps being removed for the cd space issue | Mar 06 19:13 |
| _Goblin | Ive had a telephone conversation with Jono about that. | Mar 06 19:13 |
| Palkia | they could take mono, tomboy and gnote off | Mar 06 19:13 |
| _Goblin | yes they could... | Mar 06 19:14 |
| Palkia | i dont know how useful your notes will be on a livecd that doesnt save data | Mar 06 19:14 |
| Palkia | i dont know how useful your images are too, being ready only | Mar 06 19:14 |
| _Goblin | but since Ubuntu has shipped with them, users feedback says keep them, I can see why GIMP got the chop in respect of space. | Mar 06 19:14 |
| omar_ | Palkia, they least they could about injecting Mono into the distro is to at least run a small and simple poll to see if users want it or not. | Mar 06 19:14 |
| _Goblin | I believe they did. | Mar 06 19:15 |
| Palkia | they plan to switch everyones default search in firefox to yahoo, even if upgrading | Mar 06 19:15 |
| Palkia | jono said they ignore user defaults, but does that mean they kill firefox bookmarks too? | Mar 06 19:15 |
| _Goblin | now if that raised money for Canonical, I could care less if the money is MS or anyone else? | Mar 06 19:15 |
| Palkia | if they kill firefox bookmarks, fine ill believe it | Mar 06 19:15 |
| _Goblin | with FF I end up changing the default search/homepage anyway...I guess most users do. | Mar 06 19:16 |
| _Goblin | and infact I don't use FF so the whole thing is a moot point for me anyway. | Mar 06 19:16 |
| MinceR | there's no "cd space issue", there's only a "mono pushing issue". | Mar 06 19:16 |
| omar_ | MinceR, true. | Mar 06 19:16 |
| Palkia | jono said yahoo would be default even after an upgrade if you had another option set | Mar 06 19:17 |
| _Goblin | I would disagree, many people in Canonical I have spoken with infact are Python fans/users. Why would Canonical want to put their eggs in a mono basket unless it is of benefit to them and the users they have feedback from? | Mar 06 19:17 |
| MinceR | m$ is an ubuntu user? | Mar 06 19:18 |
| Palkia | in my experience its harder to change the search engine option, than it is to delete the .mozilla directory and restore defaults | Mar 06 19:18 |
| _Goblin | I think the harsh reality (and its a shame) but the vast majoirity of users don't even know what Mono is, let alone want it off....I certainly would like MOno to get the boot, but I think "those in the know" make up a very small minority...unless we are suggesting that every Ubuntu user has more than the "average" knowledge of computing. | Mar 06 19:19 |
| Palkia | if a ubuntu 10.04 upgrade doesnt destroy all your firefox settings to configure Yahoo as search, then they are lying | Mar 06 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | it does change you to Yahoo | Mar 06 19:20 |
| Palkia | does it kill your bookmarks? | Mar 06 19:20 |
| _Goblin | you can always change it back. | Mar 06 19:20 |
| _Goblin | no it doesnt. | Mar 06 19:20 |
| Palkia | then they lie :) | Mar 06 19:20 |
| _Goblin | why would it kill your bookmarks? | Mar 06 19:20 |
| _Goblin | why? | Mar 06 19:20 |
| Palkia | jono said they ignore user defaults | Mar 06 19:20 |
| _Goblin | in respect of what? default search? | Mar 06 19:21 |
| Palkia | that means their upgrade tool has to go through the users firefox settings to change it to yahoo | Mar 06 19:21 |
| Palkia | which isnt the easy solution | Mar 06 19:21 |
| Palkia | yeah default search | Mar 06 19:21 |
| Palkia | its easier to leave the default search alone | Mar 06 19:22 |
| _Goblin | come on, is this really a problem? whats the issue with simply changing it back if you feel that strongly? and whats wrong with Canonical making a revenue stream for itself? it has provided as accessable OS to millions of people for free over the years. | Mar 06 19:22 |
| Palkia | its a problem | Mar 06 19:22 |
| Palkia | it shouldnt be changing my settings for profit | Mar 06 19:22 |
| _Goblin | shame on them for trying to survive in the real world. | Mar 06 19:23 |
| _Goblin | ? | Mar 06 19:23 |
| Palkia | if im doing a new install fine | Mar 06 19:23 |
| _Goblin | you are talking upgrade? | Mar 06 19:23 |
| Palkia | but if i already have it installed, i dont want it changed to Yahoo/bing | Mar 06 19:23 |
| Palkia | upgrade talk | Mar 06 19:23 |
| _Goblin | I can't answer for upgrade... | Mar 06 19:23 |
| _Goblin | I did a fresh install of Alpha 3 | Mar 06 19:23 |
| Palkia | jono did | Mar 06 19:23 |
| Palkia | it ignores whatever you have set | Mar 06 19:23 |
| Palkia | and changes it to Yahoo | Mar 06 19:23 |
| _Goblin | so then change it....at least you know. | Mar 06 19:24 |
| Palkia | meaning they had to code it to do that | Mar 06 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | they probably get more money if they override your preferences | Mar 06 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | and foist Yahoo | Mar 06 19:24 |
| Palkia | exactly | Mar 06 19:24 |
| _Goblin | of course they will. | Mar 06 19:24 |
| Palkia | i dont want to accidently earn Yahoo/Bing income by using it | Mar 06 19:24 |
| _Goblin | thats the real world....how are they to pay their employees? goodwill? | Mar 06 19:24 |
| _Goblin | kind words? | Mar 06 19:24 |
| _Goblin | and canonical | Mar 06 19:24 |
| _Goblin | money is money.. | Mar 06 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | Bing extension works | Mar 06 19:24 |
| MinceR | _Goblin: since when does "survival in the real world" require screwing users? | Mar 06 19:25 |
| Palkia | yeah exactly | Mar 06 19:25 |
| _Goblin | I don't like or want Bing....but if it makes Canonical money to better their product and keep people employed then fine... | Mar 06 19:25 |
| Palkia | Mincer +1 | Mar 06 19:25 |
| Palkia | if Canonical contributed anything other than new users i'd agree | Mar 06 19:26 |
| _Goblin | Mincer: I hardly think changing a default search on upgrade of a user who is getting a very good product for free is much of an issue. If it is either change it back or use something else...theres plenty of choice. | Mar 06 19:26 |
| MinceR | _Goblin: forcing bingo on the users means m$ gets more visits and more user data and that mozilla gets less money. | Mar 06 19:26 |
| Palkia | they hardly contribute code | Mar 06 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | well, is Yahoo actually just a Bing frontend, or do they just use the same software? | Mar 06 19:26 |
| MinceR | _Goblin: "use something else" is my suggestion then. | Mar 06 19:26 |
| Palkia | _Goblin - I will use something else | Mar 06 19:26 |
| _Goblin | Mincer: then you change it back if you want to use Ubuntu w.o bing....its hardly a major issue. | Mar 06 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | also, AdBlock Plus takes the income away anyway | Mar 06 19:27 |
| omar_ | MinceR, exactly thank you. | Mar 06 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | and who doesn't use that? | Mar 06 19:27 |
| _Goblin | I don't. | Mar 06 19:27 |
| MinceR | _Goblin: until the next time canonical decides to screw with my settings to warm up to m$ a little more? | Mar 06 19:27 |
| _Goblin | Chromium here. | Mar 06 19:27 |
| Palkia | mincer, omar_ - yes +1 | Mar 06 19:27 |
| omar_ | _Goblin, to be honest, the only way Linux can get to the masses is if it fights the menace of Microsoft. | Mar 06 19:27 |
| Palkia | i dont want to accidently earn yahoo or ms income by forgetting to change the search engine | Mar 06 19:27 |
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| MinceR | i also don't want to recommend bingo/microhoo to other users implicitly by recommending *ubuntu to them. | Mar 06 19:28 |
| _Goblin | Mincer: but as is the case here, you are well aware of those changes and have been for some time...this is not some covert secret operation...I was blogging about the Yahoo deal (like everyone else) when the Alpha was still on Google. | Mar 06 19:28 |
| MinceR | _Goblin: i am, but not all users are, far from it | Mar 06 19:28 |
| MinceR | _Goblin: and the intention is still clear | Mar 06 19:28 |
| MinceR | and so are canonical's priorities | Mar 06 19:29 |
| Omar87 | I know, the fight against Microsoft wouldn't be easy, it might take a pretty long time, but hey.. It's the final result that matters at the end of the day. | Mar 06 19:29 |
| _Goblin | and for those that are not aware, do they have an interest in the first place.....as I cited earlier with my Mono example and the mainstream Linux user. | Mar 06 19:29 |
| MinceR | the mainstream gnu/linux user doesn't need mono | Mar 06 19:29 |
| MinceR | and unless m$ gets their way, they never will | Mar 06 19:29 |
| MinceR | if the mainstream gnu/linux user needs mono, m$ can start the FUD and/or the lawsuits | Mar 06 19:29 |
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| MinceR | and asking all those mainstream users to pay up (and to pay more than the most expensive version of boxed winblows would be) | Mar 06 19:30 |
| Omar87 | It's really amazing how fast we can forget who we're really dealing with.. | Mar 06 19:30 |
| _Goblin | mincer: completely agree, but the point I am making is that they will not be aware of it or its existance...or even care...The Mono critics (myself included) make up a small minority....not because we are mad but because the general apethy to it by the mainstream user. | Mar 06 19:30 |
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| MinceR | if they aren't aware of it then they're even more screwed | Mar 06 19:31 |
| MinceR | they'll be reliant on mono (and targets for the lawsuit) without being aware of it | Mar 06 19:31 |
| _Goblin | all the deployments of Linux I have made I can honestly say those users have no clue what Mono is (or care) they just want an OS thats stable and fast (and more importantly better than Windows) | Mar 06 19:32 |
| Omar87 | It never was about Mono itself. It's always been about the convicted monopolist company that's doing everything at hand to suppress innovation and shove junkware down people throats, only to keep Bill Gates rich. | Mar 06 19:32 |
| _Goblin | Rightly or wrongly thats the reality | Mar 06 19:32 |
| _Goblin | IMO | Mar 06 19:32 |
| Palkia | _Goblin - these are serious problems, as I can't trust users will change the default search or remove mono apps | Mar 06 19:32 |
| MinceR | maybe next time they'll try to push mono into the linux kernel so that embedded, servers and supercomputers can be targeted too | Mar 06 19:32 |
| MinceR | _Goblin: i'd like to see how being clueless is supposed to protect the users' interests | Mar 06 19:33 |
| _Goblin | it doesnt | Mar 06 19:33 |
| Palkia | if mono made it into the kernel, linux wouldn't run on a vast array of hardware | Mar 06 19:33 |
| _Goblin | and its not right... | Mar 06 19:33 |
| _Goblin | however, the reality is that people who speak out against Mono are "fighting" the advocates and the apethy of the general populas...Im not saying thats right because it isn't but that is how I see the reality....I have spoken with so many "average" Linux users and the typical one has not even heard of Mono. | Mar 06 19:34 |
| MinceR | Palkia: why? | Mar 06 19:34 |
| MinceR | _Goblin: you're seeing it wrong then | Mar 06 19:34 |
| _Goblin | Mincer: No, maybe differently to you. | Mar 06 19:35 |
| Palkia | MinceR - mono doesn't run on every CPU | Mar 06 19:35 |
| _Goblin | Mincer: or are you suggesting that to be a linux user theres are generic understanding of Mono that comes with that. | Mar 06 19:35 |
| MinceR | Palkia: that can yet be changed | Mar 06 19:35 |
| MinceR | _Goblin: no, i'm suggesting that everyone who doesn't avoid mono is walking into a trap | Mar 06 19:36 |
| _Goblin | and i'd agree. | Mar 06 19:36 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin, just because there are people out there who had never heard of Mono doesn't it make any less harmful. | Mar 06 19:36 |
| MinceR | _Goblin: and that any distributor that pushes mono on its users is leading them into that trap | Mar 06 19:36 |
| _Goblin | mincer: but the issue is not if we are "right" or not, its if the understanding is there in the first place with the mainstream Linux user... | Mar 06 19:36 |
| _Goblin | and I'd say its not. | Mar 06 19:37 |
| _Goblin | but worse than that apethy exists towards Mono in favor of the Linux experience "just working" | Mar 06 19:37 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin, and to fix this problem, we have to spread the awareness of the dangers of Mono. | Mar 06 19:37 |
| _Goblin | omar87: completely agree , but my stance is that the general apethy is the barrier. | Mar 06 19:38 |
| _Goblin | its why so many people have an Ipod. | Mar 06 19:38 |
| _Goblin | do they care about the proprietary platform? | Mar 06 19:38 |
| _Goblin | no. | Mar 06 19:38 |
| _Goblin | they simply like the product....>I suggest the same (in the main) is relevant to Linux. | Mar 06 19:39 |
| MinceR | i think i misunderstood what your point was, then | Mar 06 19:39 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin, it's called "Consumerism". | Mar 06 19:39 |
| Palkia | alternatives need to be developed where nobody can question their superiority over the mono ones | Mar 06 19:39 |
| Palkia | or if they already exist, they need to be advanced | Mar 06 19:40 |
| Palkia | so the question of superiority cannot be questioned | Mar 06 19:40 |
| _Goblin | Omar87: and I cosumerism even relates to the most devotted FOSS user....since the hardware they use has the element there already. | Mar 06 19:40 |
| Omar87 | People are more than ready to fill their stomaches with junk food from McDonald's and Burger King, and they'll make fun of you if you try to tell them the truth about these poisons. | Mar 06 19:40 |
| _Goblin | Palkia: I think that has already been proved...there is no Mono killer app. | Mar 06 19:40 |
| _Goblin | Palkia: Until the day FF or OO is coded with c# I think that it will never offer anything more than a poor mans bloated dev tool chasing the tail of its better older brother from Microsoft. | Mar 06 19:41 |
| Palkia | why is "best of breed" still keeping tomboy and f-spot in | Mar 06 19:41 |
| _Goblin | I think because these are "traditional" ubuntu apps. | Mar 06 19:42 |
| _Goblin | they have certainly been present from 8.04LTS (my first Ubuntu install, before that I had never tried Ubuntu) | Mar 06 19:42 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin, oh come on. FF is chasing the tail of IE? Are you serious? | Mar 06 19:42 |
| _Goblin | omar87: no, you misunderstood, I didn;t say that. | Mar 06 19:43 |
| _Goblin | omar87: Mono is chasing the tail of .net | Mar 06 19:43 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin, actually, I'm not sure that's true. | Mar 06 19:43 |
| _Goblin | really? | Mar 06 19:43 |
| _Goblin | so Mono has the functionality of its older brother? | Mar 06 19:44 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin, I think the only thing Mono is made for it basically to lead developers back to Windows. | Mar 06 19:44 |
| _Goblin | I could have sworn De Icazza's blog keeps mentioning .net features which he hopes to bring to "us" | Mar 06 19:44 |
| _Goblin | omar87: I would completely agree. | Mar 06 19:44 |
| Omar87 | By giving them what feels like a demo version of the virtual studio. | Mar 06 19:45 |
| _Goblin | exactly what Ive said in the past. | Mar 06 19:45 |
| _Goblin | A sickly sweet taster....like the drug pusher who gives the first hit for free. | Mar 06 19:45 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin, exactly. | Mar 06 19:45 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin, that's what happened to De Icazza. | Mar 06 19:46 |
| _Goblin | but as I say....all these things count for nothing if the general populas is apathetic towards Mono.....if that was not the case then BN IRC would have thousands of users instead of 30-40. | Mar 06 19:46 |
| _Goblin | Im not being defeatist since I have spent many pages on my site saying why I think Mono is a horrible thing....I just think realistically we have to look at the bigger picture. | Mar 06 19:48 |
| _Goblin | and instead of going against Mono, try merely promoting/advocating those products that DONT use it. | Mar 06 19:48 |
| _Goblin | Those that know what Mono is have an opinion. Those that don't in my experience, really don't care. | Mar 06 19:49 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin, What's worse than the general populas being apathetic, are the developers of Ubuntu themselves being sickeningly apathetic. | Mar 06 19:49 |
| Palkia | a little offtopic but if you guys wanted to publish a book, what would you use | Mar 06 19:50 |
| _Goblin | the "good thing" about the Mono problem is that its not the end-users Novell needs to convince for its survival, its the devs. If the devs don't use it then its merely sitting around redundant. | Mar 06 19:50 |
| Omar87 | Palkia, I would go with CC, for sure. | Mar 06 19:50 |
| Palkia | Omar87 - CC? | Mar 06 19:51 |
| Omar87 | Palkia, Creative Commons. | Mar 06 19:51 |
| _Goblin | brb ...... | Mar 06 19:51 |
| Palkia | ohh I thought you were talking about a publisher | Mar 06 19:51 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin, tyt | Mar 06 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | what would be interesting is how the CC fares in non-US legal systems | Mar 06 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | it's has some amusing failures iirc | Mar 06 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | when it has been tested outside the US | Mar 06 19:56 |
| Palkia | I don't know if I would use CC | Mar 06 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | well, as far as US law goes, you're safe | Mar 06 19:56 |
| Palkia | yeah | Mar 06 19:56 |
| _Goblin | right back. | Mar 06 19:57 |
| Palkia | I'd either dual release my book, paperback + CC download edition | Mar 06 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | not all governments seem to recognize FOSS and free content licenses | Mar 06 19:57 |
| Palkia | or wait for the sales to die down first before releasing a CC edition | Mar 06 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | but things like GPL and CC have held up in US courts | Mar 06 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | that's the problem with distributing software though, it can end up in countries that don't respect your license | Mar 06 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | before I get flamed, let me go on for a second | Mar 06 19:58 |
| Palkia | ok | Mar 06 19:58 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100304/1234218418.shtml | Mar 06 19:58 |
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| DaemonFC | like Russia, Russia is like the capital of "pirate software" or so the industry says, it is so because it doesn't recognize software licenses like most places do | Mar 06 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Palkia: use LyX | Mar 06 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | so it's easy to crack software or run a torrent tracker to distribute it, or spread MP3s, and nobody can stop you | Mar 06 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | but the flip side of that is that Russia also therefore does not recognize GPL violations, right? | Mar 06 19:59 |
| Palkia | heh, latex tools are awesome | Mar 06 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | so someone can violate the license to distribute software in a way that infringes the GPL, and Russia won't prevent this | Mar 06 19:59 |
| _Goblin | I have another example for the apethy towards lockin or indeed .net/mono....take a look at the demoscene, the society where "warez", "freedom of data" are foremost...I don't see any of them moving to releasing their work under the GPL......in addition even the demoscene now is embracing c#...if we can't convince these people, what hope for anyone else? | Mar 06 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | and the thing about binaries is your mixed success in trying to figure out where the source came from | Mar 06 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | things like comments get discarded by the compilation process, etc. | Mar 06 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | so it's still relatively easy to "steal" GPL code and base your proprietary software on it | Mar 06 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | lawfully or not, PROVE IT | Mar 06 20:01 |
| Palkia | reverse engineering | Mar 06 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | so I don't get why people say the BSD license makes it easier? The only difference is they can legally proclaim they used BSD-licensed code | Mar 06 20:02 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: But by definition the GPL is lockin of sorts since its an agreement you have to abide by. True freedom would be "do whatever you want with this code...I don't care" | Mar 06 20:02 |
| Palkia | BSD licenses make it easier to put open code into proprietary software | Mar 06 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | no they don't | Mar 06 20:02 |
| Palkia | proponents of BSD licenses usually boast this as a benefit | Mar 06 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | BSD licenses make it easier to do legally | Mar 06 20:02 |
| Palkia | yes | Mar 06 20:02 |
| Palkia | well im not talking illegally | Mar 06 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | GPL software might be out there as proprietary apps from big companies | Mar 06 20:02 |
| Palkia | BSD lets them do it | Mar 06 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | we'd never know | Mar 06 20:03 |
| _Goblin | unlawfully....not illegally. | Mar 06 20:03 |
| Palkia | if you release BSD code you can't complain if MS borrows it | Mar 06 20:03 |
| Palkia | unless they dont credit you | Mar 06 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | so if I find tens of thousands of source lines of code worth using in my proprietary app, I just take them, distribute the binary, nobody knows better | Mar 06 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | and there has to be a way to obscure the paper trail, if any, right? | Mar 06 20:04 |
| Palkia | DaemonFC - look at Digsby :) | Mar 06 20:04 |
| Palkia | DaemonFC - its a IM app, uses all sorts of open source libraries | Mar 06 20:04 |
| Palkia | totally proprietary | Mar 06 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | Digsby is spyware | Mar 06 20:04 |
| Palkia | they use libraries that allow it | Mar 06 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, like Webkit | Mar 06 20:04 |
| Palkia | it uses webkit | Mar 06 20:04 |
| Palkia | the webkit guys dont give a shit | Mar 06 20:05 |
| Palkia | it uses various IM protocol libraries too | Mar 06 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | well, Webkit is BSD and LGPL | Mar 06 20:05 |
| Palkia | they like it | Mar 06 20:05 |
| Palkia | i went on webkits irc, they said "so what" | Mar 06 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, it's BSD and LGPL | Mar 06 20:05 |
| Palkia | yup | Mar 06 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | very easy to use in a proprietary project | Mar 06 20:05 |
| Palkia | one guy said he didnt care if IE used it | Mar 06 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | why would he? | Mar 06 20:06 |
| Palkia | it would benefit everyone | Mar 06 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | well, KDE licensed it this way | Mar 06 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | go talk to them? | Mar 06 20:06 |
| Palkia | not entirely | Mar 06 20:06 |
| Palkia | Qt is GPL | Mar 06 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | not always | Mar 06 20:06 |
| Palkia | you can buy a version of Qt that isn't | Mar 06 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | right | Mar 06 20:07 |
| Palkia | but only the GPL version is free | Mar 06 20:07 |
| Palkia | i dont care about that | Mar 06 20:07 |
| Palkia | i'd build off of the GPL version | Mar 06 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | well, if you use it to make FOSS, you get to use it free | Mar 06 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | you can't use the GPL'd QT to make proprietary applications | Mar 06 20:07 |
| Palkia | dude its not just like that | Mar 06 20:07 |
| Palkia | yes you can | Mar 06 20:07 |
| Palkia | you can't make properitary changes to Qt itself | Mar 06 20:08 |
| MinceR | 205551 < Palkia> if you release BSD code you can't complain if MS borrows it | Mar 06 20:09 |
| MinceR | legally. | Mar 06 20:09 |
| Palkia | afaik you can still make a proprietary app that uses Qt, if you don't include Qt in your sources | Mar 06 20:09 |
| MinceR | it's possible to act immorally and unethically while following the laws. | Mar 06 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/license-gpl-exceptions.html | Mar 06 20:09 |
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| Palkia | Mincer - I always here about BSD folks wanting corporations to use their code | Mar 06 20:09 |
| MinceR | now that Qt is licensed under the LGPL, you can link it to proprietary apps without paying Nokia. | Mar 06 20:09 |
| MinceR | Palkia: i wonder how many of BSDL users are like that | Mar 06 20:10 |
| MinceR | Palkia: i suspect that's just a vocal minority | Mar 06 20:10 |
| Palkia | yeah | Mar 06 20:10 |
| Palkia | the vocal BSD is better than GPL people | Mar 06 20:10 |
| Palkia | i noticed some of them even made their own licenses though | Mar 06 20:10 |
| MinceR | many of whom are m$ apologists | Mar 06 20:10 |
| Palkia | yeah | Mar 06 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | Stallman refuses to promote OpenBSD even though there's nothing non-free about it | Mar 06 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | one of them pointed out his hypocrisies quite thoroughly | Mar 06 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | He said that the Ports system, which is not even recommended or used by default has non-free software in it, which is a lie | Mar 06 20:12 |
| _Goblin | palkia: in the past Ive released a few silly little bits of code under my own "do whatever you want with it" license. | Mar 06 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | They correctly pointed out that they link to it and help you get it if you use ports, they don't provide it | Mar 06 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | Stallman counters with "Linking to it is as bad as promoting it" | Mar 06 20:13 |
| MinceR | strange, i remember OpenBSD/SSH developers complaining that they didn't get anything back from companies who used OpenSSH in products they sold | Mar 06 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | OpenBSD guys counter "Hosting Windows software on FSF websites tells people to use Windows" | Mar 06 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | and I'd say the OpenBSD guys got him good there | Mar 06 20:13 |
| MinceR | i'd say the OpenBSD guys should focus more on developing software than drama and then maybe people would care about them beyond OpenSSH :> | Mar 06 20:14 |
| _Goblin | Stallman for me is far to much "my way or not at all" don't get me wrong he is intelligent, interesting and a seemingly nice chap, but for me he seems to paint everything black and white, where the reality is usually a mixture of the two. | Mar 06 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | FSF is promoting Windows as much as OpenBSD is recommending non-free software | Mar 06 20:14 |
| MinceR | also, including software in Ports is equivalent to putting a link to it on a website now? | Mar 06 20:15 |
| MinceR | that's new | Mar 06 20:15 |
| _Goblin | and does a link really do much damage? If I link to a Windows ad, are you really saying that people will click it and be sold Windows having never heard of it before? | Mar 06 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The software itself isn't in ports | Mar 06 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | just makefiles and such | Mar 06 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | helps you build things they can't include | Mar 06 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | RMS argues that helping people build it is as bad as promoting or providing it | Mar 06 20:15 |
| MinceR | and describing how to automatically download and build software is the same as pointing a link at it? | Mar 06 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | I myself say that OpenBSD is completely free and if one chooses to go out and pollute their system, their fault | Mar 06 20:16 |
| MinceR | how far do bsd apologists have to twist logic to make such statements? | Mar 06 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | I can go out and get nonfree debs to install on Gnewsense | Mar 06 20:16 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: So where is the freedom of choice for the end user? I should be free to choice either proprietary or open source.....one is not "bad" its just different. | Mar 06 20:16 |
| MinceR | go out and get != tell the package manager to install :> | Mar 06 20:17 |
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| DaemonFC | _Goblin, There's no non-free software in the OpenBSD system, nor in the kernel as drivers or binary firmware blobs | Mar 06 20:17 |
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| DaemonFC | it's more free than most Linux distributions | Mar 06 20:18 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: What is? I just joined | Mar 06 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | probably equally free to Ututo or Gnewsense | Mar 06 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | OpenBSD | Mar 06 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | RMS stumbled onto one of their mailing lists and started a war | Mar 06 20:18 |
| _Goblin | daemonfc: Never said there wasn't I was talking generally in respect of open and closed source. | Mar 06 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | someone had to tell him he was about to be banned before he calmed down | Mar 06 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | Hi _Goblin :) | Mar 06 20:19 |
| _Goblin | hi! | Mar 06 20:19 |
| _Goblin | how are you? | Mar 06 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | and he never would talk to Theo de Raadt directly | Mar 06 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: ok | Mar 06 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | I think RMS is kind of petty, childish, ill tempered | Mar 06 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | you? | Mar 06 20:19 |
| MinceR | who would want to talk to de Raadt anyway? | Mar 06 20:19 |
| _Goblin | daemonfc: you see its this "our way or not at all" which sometimes can make FOSS advocates as bad as MS ones. | Mar 06 20:20 |
| _Goblin | I use FOSS because its better software, not because of src, not because its free...because its better. | Mar 06 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: Ubuntu is starting to go bad, have you seen any of the stuff for new Lucid themes? | Mar 06 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I don't get it, RMS goes and shits on Theo de Raadt's front porch and runs around the lawn naked and won't stop to have a conversation or explain himself | Mar 06 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | starting to go bad, I mean starting to go even more bad | Mar 06 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | is kind of how I interpret his behavior | Mar 06 20:20 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: I been looking at the MACesque backdrop et al. | Mar 06 20:21 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: MACesque? et all? | Mar 06 20:21 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: yeah the new backdrop looks like its comes from the Mac. | Mar 06 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin, You can tell who they're imitating | Mar 06 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is an imitation OS X now | Mar 06 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | bad message to spread | Mar 06 20:22 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: but if it attracts new users, who cares? | Mar 06 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | and the window controls are on the left on ANY theme | Mar 06 20:22 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: indeed the background is OS X like, plus they put the window buttons on the left like OS X | Mar 06 20:22 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: and the two new themes suck | Mar 06 20:22 |
| sebsebseb | it seems Human is gone now though | Mar 06 20:22 |
| sebsebseb | Clearlooks is still there :) and it's easy to change colours on those kind of themes | Mar 06 20:22 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: I haven't had much time this week to keep up with all the happenings... | Mar 06 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/596/screenshotnq.png | Mar 06 20:23 |
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| DaemonFC | yay | Mar 06 20:23 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: What's that? | Mar 06 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | actually, thats before the window controls changed | Mar 06 20:24 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: This is a good one http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/2010/03/04/my-thoughts-on-the-ubuntu-branding-refresh/ and from before people started to actsually get the new theme stuff from the repo, but still good, It also links to jono's announcement and the Ubuntu branding page. | Mar 06 20:24 |
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| sebsebseb | Also someone edited the new GDM theme or whatever http://ubuntu-pics.de/bild/45399/hello_kitty_3Jckg6.png I was given that yesterday in the Ubuntu channel which currently is for Lucid. | Mar 06 20:25 |
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| DaemonFC | heh | Mar 06 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | This video is nice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVfd6fg7QsM | Mar 06 20:38 |
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| sebsebseb | _Goblin: ok | Mar 06 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/349/screenshotps.png | Mar 06 20:42 |
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| DaemonFC | so easy to turn it into a Mac clone now | Mar 06 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | change the wallpaper and start AWN | Mar 06 20:43 |
| MinceR | and imagine mac asay nodding approvingly | Mar 06 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | mmhm | Mar 06 20:44 |
| MinceR | you forgot to use the white-based theme though | Mar 06 20:45 |
| MinceR | black is way to cool for crApple | Mar 06 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7697/screenshot3go.png | Mar 06 20:46 |
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| MinceR | yeah, that's more crApply | Mar 06 20:47 |
| cubezzz | I was just reading about Superman and the copyrights involved | Mar 06 20:50 |
| cubezzz | In 1998, the copyright was extended again with the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act. This time the copyright term was extended to 95 years with a further window for reclamation introduced. | Mar 06 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1422752 | Mar 06 20:50 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: [SOLVED] How do I move the buttons back to the right?? - Ubuntu Forums .::. Size~: 96.69 KB | Mar 06 20:50 |
| cubezzz | infinite copyright almost | Mar 06 20:51 |
| cubezzz | the descendents of the original copyright holders keep getting money | Mar 06 20:52 |
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| DaemonFC | fixed it | Mar 06 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 06 20:58 |
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| _Goblin | my service provider is playing up again....at least this time I am getting some service instead of none at all....Today o2 has decided to give me a "retro" experience....Im down to dialup speeds.... | Mar 06 21:04 |
| _Goblin | this retro computing is not all its cracked up to be. | Mar 06 21:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @jonobacon: Should someone put a sneeze guard over their sane GUI before upgrading to Lucid? Plans to let the user fix the nonsense easily? | Mar 06 21:05 | |
| _Goblin | didn't know you were on Twitter Daemonfc. | Mar 06 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Mar 06 21:06 |
| _Goblin | I'll follow you.... | Mar 06 21:07 |
| _Goblin | solidarity and all that. | Mar 06 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Mar 06 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 06 21:08 |
| _Goblin | you know though that you havent "made it" until you get onto the LinXXX Boycott Boys list... ;) | Mar 06 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | what would the volume control applet in GNOME be called? | Mar 06 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu replaced it with indicator crapplet | Mar 06 21:11 |
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| DaemonFC | we should remove gnome-terminal :) | Mar 06 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | people might find it and break stuff | Mar 06 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | and stop packaging gconf-editor, it's making it far too easy for users to revert things that make no sense | Mar 06 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | muahaahahahaaaaa!!!! | Mar 06 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | / Ubuntu Developers | Mar 06 21:23 |
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| DaemonFC | http://critters.blogs.starnewsonline.com/11802/save-the-whales-japan-wants-the-ban-lifted-on-commercial-whaling/ | Mar 06 21:33 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/news/local/86694902.html | Mar 06 21:36 |
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| DaemonFC | Canadian 419 scams | Mar 06 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 06 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/utah-fights-states-rights-land-push/story?id=10013198 | Mar 06 21:38 |
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| DaemonFC | Utah asserts that it can seize federal property | Mar 06 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | lulz | Mar 06 21:38 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.inquisitr.com/65648/roseanne-barr-marie-osmond-gay-son/ | Mar 06 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | This is some /weird/ song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJTIedZVIVQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DSiD5CQ_Uk | Mar 06 21:44 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I think that we're going about the meth busts all wrong. | Mar 06 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | We should make sure they have easy access to defective supplies that WILL explode. | Mar 06 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 06 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.wndu.com/localnews/headlines/86681122.html | Mar 06 21:47 |
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| DaemonFC | How many years in a row have I heard this? | Mar 06 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | "“Drunk driving is not a socially accepted norm" | Mar 06 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | and if it was, you couldn't touch it buddy | Mar 06 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | no matter how many people it killed | Mar 06 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | The drunks clearly need to establish a religion that also prescribes driving as an act of their faith. | Mar 06 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Mar 06 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Let's like, I don't know, TELL THEM WE'RE DOING IT!!! And when and where... | Mar 06 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | idiots | Mar 06 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, establish an alibi and then meet with the hitman in front of a security camera | Mar 06 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | http://chicagoist.com/2010/03/05/more_details_in_darien_triple_murde.php | Mar 06 21:55 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The complete text of "Surely You're Joking, Mr Feynman" by Richard Feynman http://www.gorgorat.com/ I cannot recommend this highly enough. | Mar 06 21:55 | |
| schestowitz | [21:47] <phIRCe-BNc> Title: Indiana police crack down on drunk driving .::. Size~: 66.19 KB | Mar 06 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Well, they kept alcohol legal | Mar 06 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they should illegalise driving and criminalise that drug to | Mar 06 21:57 |
| schestowitz | *too | Mar 06 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Just keep guns legal /sarcasm | Mar 06 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, The states with the toughest gun laws actually have the highest rates of violent crime | Mar 06 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Washington? | Mar 06 21:59 |
| schestowitz | (DC) | Mar 06 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | every state or city that bans guns has a higher crime rate than a place that size should have | Mar 06 21:59 |
| schestowitz | When I was in Arlington I saw some banners about the gun crimes nearby | Mar 06 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | DC banned them and has the highest murder and unsolved murder rates in the US | Mar 06 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | Chicago isn't doing too good | Mar 06 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | they banned them | Mar 06 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Not the point | Mar 06 21:59 |
| schestowitz | It's too late when they go afloat | Mar 06 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | lots of tough gun laws in California, and bank robbers wielding AK-47s | Mar 06 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Just illegalising them ain't enough | Mar 06 22:00 |
| schestowitz | They go inter-state | Mar 06 22:00 |
| schestowitz | You need to confiscate them all, IMHO | Mar 06 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, The kinds of guns used in most major crimes were never legally for sale | Mar 06 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | they floo in through Mexico | Mar 06 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | that's what you don't get | Mar 06 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | *flood | Mar 06 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Where are they made? | Mar 06 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | The US doesn't make AK-47s | Mar 06 22:01 |
| schestowitz | I know | Mar 06 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | or most of the other models the bad guys use | Mar 06 22:01 |
| schestowitz | I don't think it's Sovier, either | Mar 06 22:01 |
| schestowitz | It's interesting to see the European brands | Mar 06 22:01 |
| schestowitz | I hardly knew they existed | Mar 06 22:01 |
| schestowitz | But we haven't had European wars in a long time | Mar 06 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | Central and South America is where they come from | Mar 06 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Not even close | Mar 06 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | well, directly anyway | Mar 06 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Where are they made though? | Mar 06 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Who exports them? | Mar 06 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | well, there's a lot of ex-soviet gear down there | Mar 06 22:02 |
| schestowitz | That's the root cause | Mar 06 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | the Chinese like to make copies | Mar 06 22:02 |
| schestowitz | China has many nukes | Mar 06 22:02 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't need guns | Mar 06 22:02 |
| *Balrog_ is now known as Balrog | Mar 06 22:02 | |
| schestowitz | I could, in theory, wipe out the US | Mar 06 22:02 |
| schestowitz | And they cope better with strikes, too | Mar 06 22:02 |
| schestowitz | They are not dependent on 'centricity' like the US | Mar 06 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't be surprised if Russia and China were flooding Central and South America with assault rifles and grenades and shit | Mar 06 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | just knowing they'd find their way up here | Mar 06 22:03 |
| schestowitz | If the nearby water supply went bust and the power statioin too, there would be famine | Mar 06 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Land mines are now against Geveva Conv. right? | Mar 06 22:03 |
| schestowitz | *neva | Mar 06 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | have been for a while I think | Mar 06 22:04 |
| schestowitz | What a bunch of stupid creature we are | Mar 06 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | The US hasn't used them widely since the Korean War | Mar 06 22:04 |
| schestowitz | So easy to plant, so hard to sweep up... and hurting kids, not soldiers | Mar 06 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Of course, some countries like the US and Israel can't give a ** about war crime rules | Mar 06 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | we don't use them | Mar 06 22:05 |
| schestowitz | They are old weapon | Mar 06 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Can't harm tanks | Mar 06 22:05 |
| schestowitz | And wars are fought in air | Mar 06 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | yes they damned well can | Mar 06 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Mar 06 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Not the old type | Mar 06 22:05 |
| schestowitz | And the new tanks | Mar 06 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | anti-tank mines are still effective | Mar 06 22:06 |
| schestowitz | From when? | Mar 06 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | you don't really need to damage the composite armor ro disable a tank | Mar 06 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | *to | Mar 06 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | tanks still have the same weakness they did in World War 1, tread | Mar 06 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | if you can snap the tread, you disable the tank | Mar 06 22:07 |
| MinceR | got to get a hovertank | Mar 06 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Could use banked beans | Mar 06 22:08 |
| schestowitz | It's heavy | Mar 06 22:08 |
| schestowitz | *baked | Mar 06 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | besides, and explosion that size will score you some kills if an APV rolls over it | Mar 06 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | *an | Mar 06 22:08 |
| MinceR | APC? | Mar 06 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Mar 06 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | thank you | Mar 06 22:09 |
| MinceR | np | Mar 06 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | and I'm still a fan of the sticky bomb idea myself | Mar 06 22:09 |
| MinceR | ut2004 has that :> | Mar 06 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sticky_bomb | Mar 06 22:10 |
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| DaemonFC | some of the most expensive, high tech weapons in the world can be countered with innovative use of cheap "off the shelf" crap | Mar 06 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | really high tech stuff breeds a sense of overconfidence in the people using it | Mar 06 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | still, I want an XM8 | Mar 06 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | how about you, MinceR? :) | Mar 06 22:12 |
| MinceR | what's special about it? | Mar 06 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=fOLUBvslsQ0&feature=related | Mar 06 22:13 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=63cxeEq5gUk&feature=related | Mar 06 22:14 |
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| DaemonFC | kind of says Starship Troopers to me | Mar 06 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Mar 06 22:14 |
| MinceR | if Starship Troopers then i'd rather get power armor | Mar 06 22:14 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 06 22:14 |
| MinceR | and some bigger guns | Mar 06 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | no, look at it | Mar 06 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | Starship Troopers | Mar 06 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | Am I right? :) | Mar 06 22:15 |
| MinceR | dunno | Mar 06 22:15 |
| MinceR | they look nice | Mar 06 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/rifle/XM8/XM8_carbine.png | Mar 06 22:15 |
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| MinceR | is that the "Human" version? :> | Mar 06 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Mar 06 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | http://homepage.mac.com/topcover/blog/images/XM8FinalVersion.jpg | Mar 06 22:16 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/images/xm8-poster.jpg | Mar 06 22:16 |
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| DaemonFC | same rifle in different configs | Mar 06 22:17 |
| MinceR | wikipedia has a bigger version of this poster :> | Mar 06 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | it can accept a 100 round drum | Mar 06 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | gah | Mar 06 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | want an XM8 and some drum magazines | Mar 06 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | grenade launcher too | Mar 06 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | with a drum, full automatic becomes quite feasible B-) | Mar 06 22:18 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 06 22:19 |
| MinceR | an ammo belt would be better, wouldn't it? | Mar 06 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | not in something that doubles as a carbine | Mar 06 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 06 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | I'm thinking of this as a really futuristic, lightweight, reliable tommy gun | Mar 06 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | with better accuracy | Mar 06 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | and a grenade launcher | Mar 06 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g5ct7cXKu4 | Mar 06 22:21 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, You can still have full auto if it was pre-ban | Mar 06 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | the ATF tracks those quite closely | Mar 06 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | if you don't report a sale, you're fucked | Mar 06 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcAfzTL9bEA | Mar 06 22:23 |
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| DaemonFC | I've had one of those for several years | Mar 06 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | the trigger is the only thing they changed on this one | Mar 06 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | I could pay a gun store to upgrade the trigger on mine | Mar 06 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | I may, but it's not a huge deal | Mar 06 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | $150, he's right about that | Mar 06 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | good deal | Mar 06 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | cheap and it works | Mar 06 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think I paid that for mine, mine was $140 at that point | Mar 06 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | the lifetime carry license from the state cost me almost as much as this pistol | Mar 06 22:28 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, You suppose this is the auto captioning? http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=iRUGGy9RVrM&feature=related | Mar 06 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know | Mar 06 22:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Davenport & Lyons/ACS Law to get their very own warning letter? http://tinyurl.com/yfwrczq #p2p #riaa #fact #piracy #tpb #torrent | Mar 06 22:33 | |
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| schestowitz | I saw an article about it todauy | Mar 06 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Haven't tried it yet | Mar 06 22:34 |
| schestowitz | I watch YouTube for over 2 hours per day, so it's something I ought to check out | Mar 06 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Good for searching | Mar 06 22:34 |
| schestowitz | If I recall hearing somehting in a video, but can't recall which | Mar 06 22:34 |
| schestowitz | I've watched well over 30k vids | Mar 06 22:35 |
| schestowitz | It's time to be a twit | Mar 06 22:42 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] “The Paradox of Choice” and Why #GNU #Linux Ticks http://ur1.ca/om78 http://ur1.ca/om79 | Mar 06 22:43 | |
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| MinceR | :D | Mar 06 22:48 |
| MinceR | btw FSF.hu started a campaign to make the winblows tax avoidable in hungary | Mar 06 22:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Qimo Introduces Children to Secure Computing with #GNU #Linux http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=1326 | Mar 06 22:48 | |
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| MinceR | 234136 <@varna> why are pirates called pirates? because they ARRRR! | Mar 06 22:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Desktop for Senior People Has Competition: *Another* GNU/Linux Business http://ur1.ca/om7q | Mar 06 22:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Malaysia Looking Like Hotbed for #GNU #Linux Desktop Adoption http://ur1.ca/om7r http://ur1.ca/om7s | Mar 06 22:53 | |
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| MinceR | imma chargin malaysia | Mar 06 22:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "It is easy to see 21 of the top 36 hosters run #GNU #Linux and only 6 run that other OS." http://ur1.ca/om7y | Mar 06 22:55 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google 's Return to #Linux #Kernel Space (Mainline) Expected, Good Graphics New http://ur1.ca/om7z http://ur1.ca/ofu9 | Mar 06 22:55 | |
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| schestowitz | Nouveau is just for nvidia, right? | Mar 06 22:56 |
| schestowitz | TuxRadar confused me when it said that any card would work with it | Mar 06 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Surely not Intel/AMD, right? | Mar 06 22:56 |
| _goblin | I understood it was just for Nvidia.... | Mar 06 22:56 |
| sebsebseb | a bit old now, but it's kind of funny that the fake browser makers complain to the European Commission, because people may have to scroll to see their browsers mentioned | Mar 06 22:56 |
| sebsebseb | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8551317.stm | Mar 06 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: yeah, I reckon they just didn't do homework | Mar 06 22:57 |
| schestowitz | They said any card would support 3d out of the box in 2.6.33 | Mar 06 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | altough the browser choice page is random, so I guess the screen itself is as well, when it comes to what order the browsers show in | Mar 06 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Just nvidia though | Mar 06 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Would be nice! | Mar 06 22:57 |
| _goblin | sure would! | Mar 06 22:57 |
| schestowitz | My brother is still on Mandriva | Mar 06 22:57 |
| _goblin | booo! | Mar 06 22:57 |
| schestowitz | No | Mar 06 22:57 |
| schestowitz | But he uses an old version | Mar 06 22:57 |
| _goblin | you know me and Mandriva never got on. | Mar 06 22:57 |
| schestowitz | I told him to use kde4 | Mar 06 22:57 |
| _goblin | Elive..... | Mar 06 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Mar 06 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Topaz | Mar 06 22:58 |
| _goblin | Enlightenment | Mar 06 22:58 |
| schestowitz | New release | Mar 06 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Looks neat | Mar 06 22:58 |
| _goblin | fantastic distro. Its finally replaced Wolvix | Mar 06 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Should handle maybe even 486? Surely not | Mar 06 22:58 |
| schestowitz | But Pentium 1 maybe | Mar 06 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Support the dev, _goblin | Mar 06 22:58 |
| schestowitz | It's not a gratis distroi | Mar 06 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Jack Wallen loves it too | Mar 06 22:58 |
| schestowitz | I reckon Mint has about a million or more users no | Mar 06 22:59 |
| schestowitz | *now | Mar 06 22:59 |
| schestowitz | And many people making DE variants of it | Mar 06 22:59 |
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| ender2070 | vector is good for old pcs | Mar 06 23:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] make install not war | Mar 06 23:04 | |
| MinceR | if you're willing to pay for it | Mar 06 23:05 |
| ender2070 | its not free anymore? | Mar 06 23:05 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] There is about as much #sugar in a can of soda as in ONE LITRE of pure Canadian maple syrup. I checked. #diet #food | Mar 06 23:05 | |
| MinceR | last time i checked it all the interesting editions required payment | Mar 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Mar 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Same with elive | Mar 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz | And mepis | Mar 06 23:06 |
| ender2070 | oh nvm then | Mar 06 23:06 |
| ender2070 | mepis does? | Mar 06 23:06 |
| ender2070 | wth | Mar 06 23:06 |
| MinceR | and to some extent, mandriva | Mar 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva | Mar 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Beat me to it | Mar 06 23:06 |
| ender2070 | mandriva does fully | Mar 06 23:06 |
| ender2070 | they even lie about the contents of their powerpack | Mar 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu is sponsored by Bill Hilf :-) | Mar 06 23:06 |
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| DaemonFC | ender2070, Where do they lie? | Mar 06 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | They admit it's mostly just codecs and trialware | Mar 06 23:08 |
| ender2070 | when they told me it had cedega | Mar 06 23:08 |
| ender2070 | and it didnt | Mar 06 23:08 |
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| DaemonFC | it says trial of Cedega | Mar 06 23:08 |
| ender2070 | now its a trial | Mar 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Yubontoo! search | Mar 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz | It's a trap | Mar 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft | Mar 06 23:08 |
| ender2070 | i got one version with a full cedega | Mar 06 23:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] This is both beautiful and true. Steven Walling: Why Wikipedians Are Weird http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEkF5o6KPNI | Mar 06 23:08 | |
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| DaemonFC | ender2070, They used to have the full version until 2008 | Mar 06 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | that's when it got dropped | Mar 06 23:09 |
| ender2070 | they still advertised its inclusion, when they dropped it | Mar 06 23:09 |
| schestowitz | There was a gaming version | Mar 06 23:09 |
| ender2070 | i have the isos to prove it | Mar 06 23:09 |
| ender2070 | i paid for one powerpack edition and was happy with it and cedega | Mar 06 23:09 |
| ender2070 | i bought the next edition and that changed | Mar 06 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | should have looked | Mar 06 23:11 |
| ender2070 | i did | Mar 06 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | it clearly says it's a trial | Mar 06 23:11 |
| ender2070 | it was advertised | Mar 06 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | 30 day | Mar 06 23:11 |
| ender2070 | no | Mar 06 23:11 |
| ender2070 | not back then | Mar 06 23:11 |
| ender2070 | i dont care what they do now | Mar 06 23:11 |
| ender2070 | i wouldnt pay for a distro that cant keep up to date | Mar 06 23:11 |
| ender2070 | regardless | Mar 06 23:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @torontoist 1945: Harry Gairey Jr denied entry to #Toronto rink: “no coloured boys can come in here” http://bit.ly/9kDUt0 // good article | Mar 06 23:11 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE SC 4.5 Already Under Way - Innovative Features Explained http://ur1.ca/om9i http://ur1.ca/om9j http://ur1.ca/om9k | Mar 06 23:12 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@chonabo I was even going to tag it #hfcs ... 1 litre of maple syrup is *a lot* of maple syrup. Ppl have no idea of the awful shit in soda | Mar 06 23:12 | |
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| ender2070 | hmm | Mar 06 23:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nautilus With #Zeitgeist Gets Together in #GNOME Desktop http://ur1.ca/om9m http://ur1.ca/om9n | Mar 06 23:14 | |
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| ender2070 | I tried setting chromium to be default in KDE and it opened a temp file | Mar 06 23:15 |
| ender2070 | :( | Mar 06 23:15 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #aLinux 12.9, #Mandriva ONE 2010 http://ur1.ca/om9v http://ur1.ca/om9w | Mar 06 23:15 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Comparison Between #GNU #Linux with #KDE and #BSD with KDE http://ur1.ca/om9y #kubuntu #pcbsd | Mar 06 23:17 | |
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| ender2070 | the short: bsd got owned | Mar 06 23:18 |
| MinceR | as usual | Mar 06 23:18 |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 06 23:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Early Look at #Elive Topaz 2.0 http://ur1.ca/oma4 http://ur1.ca/oma5 #debian #gnu #linux | Mar 06 23:18 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Keeps Szulik, #Fedora 12 Works Where #Ubuntu struggles http://ur1.ca/omad http://ur1.ca/omae http://ur1.ca/omag | Mar 06 23:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SimplyMEPIS 8.5 Near Release, Its Parent #Debian Runs with #BSD http://ur1.ca/omaj http://ur1.ca/omak | Mar 06 23:21 | |
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| ender2070 | Elive 2.0 Stable? | Mar 06 23:24 |
| ender2070 | E17 is finally stable or no? | Mar 06 23:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Pooh, another long tough day, working on Julian's thesis. Thanks to @schestowitz I was able to include some interesting benchmarks. | Mar 06 23:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Debate About #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Theme for 10.04 Carries on http://ur1.ca/omb6 http://ur1.ca/omb7 http://ur1.ca/omb8 | Mar 06 23:26 | |
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| schestowitz | ender2070: Don't know myself | Mar 06 23:27 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/rorycellanjones/2010/03/are_we_building_schools_for_th.html The amount of money schools waste on propritary junk! | Mar 06 23:27 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mark Shuttleworth Bullish on Desktop #GNU #Linux , Other Good News http://ur1.ca/oigv http://ur1.ca/omb0 http://ur1.ca/omb1 | Mar 06 23:27 | |
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| sebsebseb | No that's not the headline that was me. | Mar 06 23:28 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Both new themes suck! | Mar 06 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Keeping the economy going | Mar 06 23:30 |
| schestowitz | I don't like Rory URLs | Mar 06 23:30 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't like me either | Mar 06 23:30 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh? | Mar 06 23:30 |
| schestowitz | The BBC generally dislikes me | Mar 06 23:30 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Very satisfied about today's results. OpenOffice.org, aMSN and us make a great team. Reading the latest posts on @goblin and then off to bed | Mar 06 23:30 | |
| ender2070 | why is that | Mar 06 23:31 |
| schestowitz | For obvious reasons, I slam them too much for bad reporting | Mar 06 23:31 |
| schestowitz | And the iPlayer fiasco, since 2006 | Mar 06 23:31 |
| ender2070 | yeah but you bring them traffic sometimes | Mar 06 23:31 |
| ender2070 | and its not like they care | Mar 06 23:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Tomorrow is another day ;-) Good night to all! | Mar 06 23:31 | |
| ender2070 | they get enough money to "report" the news | Mar 06 23:32 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu 10.10 gets Releases Date, Develop Summit http://ur1.ca/omc2 http://ur1.ca/omc3 #gnu #linux | Mar 06 23:36 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linus Boots Very Fast and Gains Improved Hypervisor Support http://ur1.ca/omce http://ur1.ca/omch | Mar 06 23:39 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Meego Kicks Off - #GNU #Linux for #Phones http://meego.com/community/blogs/valhalla/2010/towards-day-one | Mar 06 23:40 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, The One License Per Child laptop? | Mar 06 23:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BBC Under Pressure to Support #FreeSoftware Players http://ur1.ca/omd4 http://ur1.ca/omd5 #msbbc | Mar 06 23:47 | |
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