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| schestowitz | [00:09] <MinceR> should ubuntu install Nexuiz by default? :> | Mar 01 00:55 |
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| schestowitz | [00:09] <sebsebseb> MinceR: no | Mar 01 00:55 |
| schestowitz | [00:09] <sebsebseb> MinceR: they need games that are 100% family friendly by default | Mar 01 00:55 |
| schestowitz | Add a 'wad' to it with toddlers and pillows for weapons | Mar 01 00:56 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 01 00:56 |
| MinceR | actually there's a game mode where no weapons are used, it's just running around a race track | Mar 01 00:56 |
| MinceR | (some of the race tracks are like Mirror's Edge, as far as i know Mirror's Edge.) | Mar 01 00:57 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxTn7LvccwM | Mar 01 10:40 |
| schestowitz | Quote:\ | Mar 01 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Hi, Jason, | Mar 01 22:08 |
| schestowitz | I just wanted to congratulate you on the new site which I like very much. Keep it up. | Mar 01 22:08 |
| schestowitz | / | Mar 01 22:08 |
| schestowitz | WTF? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/01/goat_wedding/ | Mar 01 22:22 |
| schestowitz | > Hi Roy, | Mar 01 23:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 01 23:07 |
| schestowitz | > No, I don't get any emails from Marbux. He was one of the members of the | Mar 01 23:07 |
| schestowitz | > OpenDocument Foundation, if you remember them. After the Foundation went | Mar 01 23:07 |
| schestowitz | > defunct, Marbux continued for a while posting on the OASIS lists, but he | Mar 01 23:07 |
| schestowitz | > went crazy and started attacking everyone and was eventually kicked off by | Mar 01 23:07 |
| schestowitz | > OASIS staff. He occasionally posts long anti-ODF screeds as blog | Mar 01 23:07 |
| schestowitz | > comments, claiming that ODF violates international law or something like | Mar 01 23:07 |
| schestowitz | > that. A sad story, really. | Mar 01 23:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 01 23:07 |
| schestowitz | > What is he saying now? More of the same? | Mar 01 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I ignore him. | Mar 01 23:08 |
| oiaohm | Marbux was kicked out of OASIS lists for many reason. | Mar 01 23:33 |
| schestowitz | I know | Mar 01 23:33 |
| schestowitz | I was on it | Mar 01 23:33 |
| schestowitz | He keeps mailing me | Mar 01 23:34 |
| oiaohm | One includes repeatly asking for a way to include parts in ODF that would not be written in standard. | Mar 01 23:34 |
| schestowitz | ~ge stopped | Mar 01 23:34 |
| oiaohm | Ie undocumented blobs | Mar 01 23:34 |
| oiaohm | Personally I suspect some link to MS with Marbux but I have not found it. | Mar 01 23:34 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about it | Mar 01 23:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=&q=marbux+site:boycottnovell.com&btnG=Search | Mar 01 23:35 |
| schestowitz | SOme things he tells me make it a remote possibility that MS is involved | Mar 01 23:36 |
| schestowitz | He was like a friend for years | Mar 01 23:36 |
| schestowitz | in groklaq | Mar 01 23:36 |
| schestowitz | in groklaw | Mar 01 23:36 |
| MinceR | 013423 < Solet> C programmers do it with long pointers | Mar 02 00:43 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Mar 02 00:44 |
| schestowitz | Female c programmer make holes | Mar 02 00:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjhL1xlkt5U&feature=related | Mar 02 01:03 |
| schestowitz | Max Keiser Takes Offense to Golsman Sachs Story - "A Silent Coup D'eta http://www.goldmansachs666.com/2010/03/max-keiser-takes-offense-to-golsman.html | Mar 02 01:04 |
| schestowitz | [01:13] <tessier> Hope your phone didn't just ring. My mobile accidentally tried to dial you as the last person who dialed me. | Mar 02 01:14 |
| schestowitz | [01:13] <schestowitz> No rings :-) :-) | Mar 02 01:14 |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | Mar 02 09:38 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Mar 02 09:38 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz at Mon Mar 16 02:04:07 2009 | Mar 02 09:38 | |
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| schestowitz | > ...for the plug of open.... As you say, it's not a news site, and | Mar 02 15:45 |
| schestowitz | > indeed, it's hard to think of one that does things properly. Sad. | Mar 02 15:45 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Mar 02 15:45 |
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| schestowitz |  | Mar 02 23:16 |
| schestowitz | [23:16] <dyfet> I thought my link was more interesting though ;) | Mar 02 23:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmN3ELvsdjs&feature=sub | Mar 03 00:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfxEdjpCpac&feature=sub | Mar 03 00:55 |
| schestowitz | on the Work of No More Victims http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIrGPKka_qE&feature=grec | Mar 03 00:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z-mL17CJEs | Mar 03 01:52 |
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| MinceR | http://i.somethingawful.com/u/livestock/2010/03/kid_classifieds.jpg | Mar 03 14:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEZCOQe9ayI&feature=sub | Mar 03 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj8KxRq5g_U | Mar 04 03:05 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM7QLCXYNT4&feature=channel | Mar 04 17:59 |
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| schestowitz | <zoobab> ady to help trying to get Debian running on it. | Mar 08 11:36 |
| schestowitz | <zoobab> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzzUj8VM1nE | Mar 08 11:36 |
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| schestowitz | Heg. My 80-year-old uncle is something! :-) | Mar 08 16:51 |
| schestowitz | > Hi My 4th Grandson (preceded by David, Steven and Michael.) | Mar 08 16:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 08 16:51 |
| schestowitz | > In retrospect, may I ask which diploma brought you the most satisfaction.High-School, College, Graduate School or your Ph.D.? | Mar 08 16:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 08 16:51 |
| schestowitz | > Or was it all of the above? | Mar 08 16:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 08 16:51 |
| schestowitz | > My hearty congratulations, with your degree you have entered a highly exclusive portal, almost like a knighthood, (Sir Roy of Schestowitz) and now it's time to go forth and slay the dragons and protect the maidens. | Mar 08 16:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 08 16:51 |
| schestowitz | > No one but yourself deserves credit for your academic accomplishments but it is magnanimous of you to say that others helped; nevertheless, I am pleased to note that you are humble and unpretentious. | Mar 08 16:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 08 16:51 |
| schestowitz | > So, like someone once said.ONWARD AND UPWARD! | Mar 08 16:51 |
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| scientes | you have any girlfriends? | Mar 08 22:04 |
| scientes | anyways, I am fewa | Mar 08 22:04 |
| schestowitz | My last g/f was ages ago.. too much Internet now | Mar 08 22:05 |
| scientes | lol | Mar 08 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Seriously | Mar 08 22:05 |
| scientes | I stopped hanging out here for a while | Mar 08 22:05 |
| scientes | that , ahh whats it called | Mar 08 22:06 |
| scientes | after being on the computer 24/7 for over a year | Mar 08 22:06 |
| scientes | suspension, but still not the word... | Mar 08 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Found a girl, eh? | Mar 08 22:10 |
| scientes | lol | Mar 08 22:11 |
| schestowitz | parallel life | Mar 08 22:11 |
| scientes | no | Mar 08 22:11 |
| schestowitz | At least we do politics+s/w, not virtual world and W0W | Mar 08 22:11 |
| scientes | life should be interconnected | Mar 08 22:11 |
| scientes | and shared | Mar 08 22:11 |
| scientes | <schestowitz> At least we do politics+s/w, not virtual world and W0W | Mar 08 22:11 |
| scientes | yep | Mar 08 22:11 |
| scientes | exactly the conclusion I made | Mar 08 22:11 |
| scientes | although I did some wow before i came here... | Mar 08 22:12 |
| scientes | I did too much politics on the free server and got kicked out... | Mar 08 22:12 |
| scientes | and was glad | Mar 08 22:12 |
| scientes | *politics as in horseplay | Mar 08 22:12 |
| scientes | the server software has been reverse engineered | Mar 08 22:13 |
| schestowitz | work on the ground is slower | Mar 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Holding up signs | Mar 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Sad truth | Mar 08 22:15 |
| scientes | politics on internet is best | Mar 08 22:15 |
| scientes | welll... not neccicarily | Mar 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | petitions | Mar 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | comms | Mar 08 22:16 |
| scientes | nahh | Mar 08 22:16 |
| schestowitz | that's why they track maikl | Mar 08 22:16 |
| scientes | you can help acquaintences | Mar 08 22:16 |
| schestowitz | To derail organisation | Mar 08 22:16 |
| schestowitz | People don't stay separate and desparate | Mar 08 22:16 |
| schestowitz | meshing info | Mar 08 22:16 |
| schestowitz | who's whose shill, who worked for who, etc. | Mar 08 22:16 |
| schestowitz | BN has good DB on MSFT's network | Mar 08 22:16 |
| scientes | consumer society | Mar 08 22:28 |
| schestowitz | They consume while other gain power | Mar 08 22:33 |
| schestowitz | some take debt, some take congress | Mar 08 22:33 |
| scientes | mindlessness | Mar 08 22:34 |
| scientes | havn't talked to her for a few weaks, its hard for me to loosen my pride | Mar 08 22:35 |
| schestowitz | In a relationship, the one in control is the one who cares less | Mar 08 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [Or pretends to] | Mar 08 22:49 |
| scientes | sabbatical | Mar 08 22:50 |
| scientes | well said | Mar 08 22:50 |
| scientes | here, its multilateral | Mar 08 22:50 |
| scientes | you just have to have differn't skills | Mar 08 22:50 |
| scientes | .... | Mar 08 22:54 |
| scientes | shared lie, of not caring | Mar 08 22:54 |
| scientes | i got alot out of pride and prejudice | Mar 08 23:00 |
| scientes | which i wouldn't have read if it wasn't assigned | Mar 08 23:00 |
| scientes | WoW is alot like "learning" institutions | Mar 09 01:17 |
| scientes | a giant grind, designed to numb the brain | Mar 09 01:17 |
| scientes | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Special:Contributions/Walklooker | Mar 09 03:39 |
| scientes | some shills are really sophisticated | Mar 09 03:39 |
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| schestowitz | I played the older versions | Mar 09 07:48 |
| scientes | http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/09/western-agenda-africa/ | Mar 09 07:54 |
| scientes | i like how thatgot pulled together | Mar 09 07:54 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, all the refs fell together on the same week, I just had to glue them correctly | Mar 09 08:08 |
| schestowitz | I have a process for handling these | Mar 09 08:08 |
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| oiaohm | I will not say this in open channel. The only risk to open source from novell patents is if someone finds the loop hole IBM built into the OIN agreement. Where for patents not released to OIN you can place FOSS licence type restriction on it. | Mar 09 09:43 |
| oiaohm | But it forbids any worse attack than being a licence annoyance. | Mar 09 09:44 |
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| scientes | it missed the The Nation article on the issue | Mar 09 14:05 |
| scientes | "Is the World Bank becoming a front for a convicted monopoly abuser?" | Mar 09 14:05 |
| scientes | this is a little over the top | Mar 09 14:06 |
| scientes | the World Bank is a front for the american empire | Mar 09 14:06 |
| scientes | economic opression | Mar 09 14:06 |
| scientes | Microsoft may just be one of its clients | Mar 09 14:06 |
| scientes | http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090921/patel_et_al | Mar 09 14:07 |
| scientes | http://www.countercurrents.org/gl-muhammad061104.htm | Mar 09 14:09 |
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| scientes | http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2010/03/corn-madness.html | Mar 09 18:15 |
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| scientes | the print stylesheet sucks | Mar 10 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Whose? | Mar 10 18:01 |
| scientes | boycottnovell.com | Mar 10 18:02 |
| scientes | ie, there is none | Mar 10 18:02 |
| scientes | hit "print preview" in firefox | Mar 10 18:02 |
| schestowitz | Oh. | Mar 10 18:05 |
| scientes | like hide .sociable | Mar 10 18:07 |
| scientes | and the "get on irc" | Mar 10 18:07 |
| scientes | and apply the handing sidebar css | Mar 10 18:07 |
| scientes | ie float=left | Mar 10 18:08 |
| schestowitz | How many people will this affect? | Mar 10 19:00 |
| MinceR | the bottom of news page listings is a bit wild: " « Previous Page — « Previous entries « Previous Page · Next Page » Next entries » — Next Page » " | Mar 10 19:01 |
| MinceR | (seen at the bottom of http://boycottnovell.com/category/ubuntu/page/2/ ) | Mar 10 19:01 |
| schestowitz | I know | Mar 10 19:02 |
| schestowitz | WordPress weirdness | Mar 10 19:02 |
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| schestowitz | [22:51] <jono> man, did you ever get the t-shirt? | Mar 11 23:12 |
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| schestowitz | [23:07] <schestowitz> no :-( | Mar 11 23:13 |
| schestowitz | [23:07] <jono> really? | Mar 11 23:13 |
| schestowitz | [23:07] <schestowitz> yeah | Mar 11 23:13 |
| schestowitz | [23:07] <jono> hmmm let me check my mail | Mar 11 23:13 |
| schestowitz |  | Mar 11 23:13 |
| schestowitz | [23:07] <jono> I emailed Cezzaine about it | Mar 11 23:13 |
| schestowitz | [23:08] <jono> hmmm I emailed her | Mar 11 23:13 |
| schestowitz | [23:09] <schestowitz> thanks so much!! | Mar 11 23:13 |
| schestowitz | [23:09] <jono> must have got lost on her TODO list - I ask her to send a lot of people who are cool free t-shirts | Mar 11 23:13 |
| schestowitz | [23:09] <jono> sorry about that, pal | Mar 11 23:13 |
| schestowitz | [23:09] <jono> let me see what I can sort out | Mar 11 23:13 |
| schestowitz | [23:09] <schestowitz> :-) | Mar 11 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Feels like being 'bribed' | Mar 11 23:13 |
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| schestowitz | > Roy, | Mar 12 06:52 |
| schestowitz | > I saw your posting today on ERRAC Web log and noticed you have a "Dr." | Mar 12 06:52 |
| schestowitz | > in front of your name! | Mar 12 06:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 12 06:52 |
| schestowitz | > Congratulations! :-) | Mar 12 06:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 12 06:52 |
| schestowitz | > Now that you have your Doctorate what are your employment plans? Post | Mar 12 06:52 |
| schestowitz | > grad fellowship, job hunt? | Mar 12 06:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 12 06:52 |
| schestowitz | > Keep up the good work at BoycottNovell. | Mar 12 06:52 |
| schestowitz | Thanks a lot! | Mar 12 06:52 |
| schestowitz | > ps. I sent this email to all of the email addresses I have for you | Mar 12 06:52 |
| schestowitz | > because I don't know which are active. I suspect that since you get a | Mar 12 06:52 |
| schestowitz | > lot of attack mail you must change your email address often to divert | Mar 12 06:52 |
| schestowitz | > the trash. Hope this got to you! | Mar 12 06:52 |
| schestowitz | I no longer get much hate mail. I think I found out how to not annoy people while exposing them. | Mar 12 06:52 |
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| MinceR | is that even possible? | Mar 12 13:04 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 12 13:41 |
| schestowitz | In a way | Mar 12 13:41 |
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| scientes | you read much literature? | Mar 12 15:36 |
| MinceR | what's much? | Mar 12 16:14 |
| scientes | idk | Mar 12 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Web text only | Mar 12 17:28 |
| schestowitz | I ca save it | Mar 12 17:28 |
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| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Mar 12 17:46 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz at Mon Mar 16 02:04:07 2009 | Mar 12 17:46 | |
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| schestowitz | Notice that we hardly have trolls in IRC anymore | Mar 12 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | My bro learns Linux... | Mar 13 06:11 |
| schestowitz | [06:08:06] A Schestowitz: why all the softwares in linux start with "k"? | Mar 13 06:11 |
| schestowitz | what the "k" means? | Mar 13 06:11 |
| schestowitz | [06:08:52] Roy: kde | Mar 13 06:11 |
| schestowitz | [06:09:06] A Schestowitz: kde means? | Mar 13 06:11 |
| schestowitz | [06:09:11] Roy: k desktop environment | Mar 13 06:11 |
| schestowitz | [06:09:30] A Schestowitz: but why k and not d for example? | Mar 13 06:11 |
| schestowitz | [06:09:50] Roy: g is usually gnome | Mar 13 06:11 |
| schestowitz | [06:09:52] Roy: k for kde | Mar 13 06:11 |
| schestowitz | [06:10:11] A Schestowitz: ha, okay, got it | Mar 13 06:11 |
| schestowitz | [06:10:16] Roy: gnome =with gtk | Mar 13 06:11 |
| schestowitz | [06:10:24] Roy: You'll learn over time | Mar 13 06:11 |
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| schestowitz | A MUST see for creationists! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPuKoEYCs2o | Mar 15 07:36 |
| schestowitz | This guy has good videos | Mar 15 07:36 |
| schestowitz | > Most big publisher news carefully avoids the terms "Microsoft" | Mar 15 10:18 |
| schestowitz | > > and "Windows" when describing malware that only runs on Windows. | Mar 15 10:18 |
| schestowitz | On Monday 08 March 2010, Richard Stallman wrote: | Mar 15 10:18 |
| schestowitz | > > You're entirely right. The question is what we can do to point it out. | Mar 15 10:18 |
| schestowitz | > > | Mar 15 10:18 |
| schestowitz | > > Would you like to try a campaign of writing letters to editors, and | Mar 15 10:18 |
| schestowitz | > > posting comments when possible, to point this out? If you do it 10 | Mar 15 10:18 |
| schestowitz | > > times we will see how effective that method is. | Mar 15 10:18 |
| schestowitz | > > | Mar 15 10:18 |
| schestowitz | > > Do you have any other ideas? | Mar 15 10:18 |
| schestowitz | I have tried some of this before but the problem only seems to get worse with | Mar 15 10:18 |
| schestowitz | time. I can try to do this on my own in a specific and methodical way but it | Mar 15 10:18 |
| schestowitz | would be better to get help. I coppied Roy Schestowitz of Boycott Novell on | Mar 15 10:18 |
| schestowitz | this email because he might help and he would like to know what you think. | Mar 15 10:18 |
| schestowitz | Thank you for the encouragement. | Mar 15 10:18 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has invested a lot of effort in manipulating journalists, often | Mar 15 10:18 |
| schestowitz | through intermediaries. Roy has published emails from the Comes vrs | Mar 15 10:18 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft anti-trust trial that show how Microsoft puts pressure on | Mar 15 10:18 |
| schestowitz | journalists and tied this to other material and good evidence of Microsoft's | Mar 15 10:18 |
| schestowitz | astroturf efforts. The trouble Microsoft goes through is best told by | Mar 15 10:18 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft themselves in the that they accidently sent a journalist: | Mar 15 10:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2007/03/enough_about_me/ | Mar 15 10:18 |
| schestowitz | > The author concludes, "there were close to a dozen other people involved. Some | Mar 15 10:20 |
| schestowitz | > transcribed the interviews I conducted; others kept notes on my every | Mar 15 10:20 |
| schestowitz | > utterance for clues about what questions I might ask next and ultimately what | Mar 15 10:21 |
| schestowitz | > my story would say; others briefed executives with questions I had asked and | Mar 15 10:21 |
| schestowitz | > suggested good answers. Indeed, if you read the memo closely it’s clear that | Mar 15 10:21 |
| schestowitz | > my experience with Microsoft on this story was their end game. For something | Mar 15 10:21 |
| schestowitz | > like six months prior they had been plotting to get Wired to write a story | Mar 15 10:21 |
| schestowitz | > about Channel 9 and had dispatched three executives to meet with editors at | Mar 15 10:21 |
| schestowitz | > the magazine in hopes of setting their hook." | Mar 15 10:21 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 15 10:21 |
| schestowitz | > An organized campaign would do better than my individual letters. Roy, I'm | Mar 15 10:21 |
| schestowitz | > sure, would be happy to host and organize an effort of his own. This might | Mar 15 10:21 |
| schestowitz | > also be a good thing for the FSF's 7 Sins campaign. Every person working | Mar 15 10:21 |
| schestowitz | > with computers is harmed by Microsoft's misscharacterization of Windows | Mar 15 10:21 |
| schestowitz | > problems as "computer problems" so this should be a popular effort. A page | Mar 15 10:21 |
| schestowitz | > can be kept with bad article links, a brief description, links that identify | Mar 15 10:21 |
| schestowitz | > Windows as the culprit, a well written example letter and contact information | Mar 15 10:21 |
| schestowitz | > that it would be easy for people to complain. I can help point out articles | Mar 15 10:21 |
| schestowitz | > as I see them, but an easy way for many people to contribute would be best. | Mar 15 10:21 |
| schestowitz | > A hundred or so per article with good language and credentials might cut | Mar 15 10:21 |
| schestowitz | > through the Microsoft fog that most editors and journalist labor under. | Mar 15 10:21 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 15 10:21 |
| schestowitz | > I suggest the name, "Let's call out Windows" or simply "Call out Windows." | Mar 15 10:21 |
| schestowitz | RMS: | Mar 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | An organized campaign would do better than my individual letters. | Mar 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > I agree. That is why I cc'd campaigns-nonrt in my previous message to | Mar 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > you about this, and in this one: they are the ones who could manage | Mar 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > such a campaign. Please keep them in the cc list. | Mar 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > The reason I suggested you try it for a time on your own is that you | Mar 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > could get information on what results you get from various approaches, | Mar 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > then report. That way we will know what methods are useful. | Mar 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > If you have already tried it on your own, maybe you can already give | Mar 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > us that information. | Mar 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | RMS: | Mar 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | A page | Mar 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | can be kept with bad article links, a brief description, links that identify | Mar 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | Windows as the culprit, a well written example letter and contact information | Mar 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | that it would be easy for people to complain. | Mar 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > That collection is something people could create over time. Could you write the first one? | Mar 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > OK, I'll get to work on it over the weekend and share the results. I saw on Boycott Novell today that Roy is already noting articles like this. | Mar 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > One of the first stories I run into coincides with some kind of political game. | Mar 15 10:28 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.prisonplanet.com/drudge-report-malware-accusation-coincides-with-cybersecurity-agenda.html | Mar 15 10:28 |
| schestowitz | > Following the links from there, I find a better than average article. | Mar 15 10:28 |
| schestowitz | > http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10466044-245.html | Mar 15 10:28 |
| schestowitz | > Contact: | Mar 15 10:28 |
| schestowitz | > elinor.mills@cnet.com | Mar 15 10:28 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 15 10:28 |
| schestowitz | > I wrote her a nice letter thanking her for her better than average article but | Mar 15 10:28 |
| schestowitz | > asking why she concludes the problem targets anyone but Windows users and is | Mar 15 10:28 |
| schestowitz | > a general problem of interactive web sites. | Mar 15 10:28 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 15 10:28 |
| schestowitz | > Here's a typical botnet article. It's low on facts, high in drama and does | Mar 15 10:28 |
| schestowitz | > not use the words Microsoft or Windows to describe the Windows only problem: | Mar 15 10:28 |
| schestowitz | > http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Business/Spanish-Police-Arrest-Alleged-Masterminds-Behind-Maybe-Biggest-Ever-Hacking-Network-Mariposa-Virus/Article/201003115566916?lpos=Business_First_Buisness_Article_Teaser_Region_1&lid=ARTICLE_15566916_Spanish_Police_Arrest_Alleged_Masterminds_Behind_Maybe_Biggest_Ever_Hacking_Network_Mariposa_Virus | Mar 15 10:28 |
| schestowitz | > I think the author's email is: | Mar 15 10:28 |
| schestowitz | > jeff.randall@telegraph.co.uk | Mar 15 10:28 |
| schestowitz | > and I wrote him a polite thank you letter that also asked him why he does not mention Microsoft or Windows. | Mar 15 10:31 |
| schestowitz | > That's a small start. I'll have more time Saturday and Sunday. Thanks again for the encouragement. This should be fun. | Mar 15 10:31 |
| schestowitz | RMS > It is nice that she responded but the response is dismissive and an indirect | Mar 15 10:31 |
| schestowitz | RMS > assertion of the popularity myth. | Mar 15 10:31 |
| schestowitz | I have documented examples where journalists received mail from Microsoft's PR agencies (e.g. W-E) to tell them off and ask them to change articles about security. | Mar 15 10:31 |
| schestowitz | The "popularity myth" is well... a myth. It's PR. Given the widespread use of GNU/Linux in servers and devices everywhere, people should struggle to reason about lack of cracking as related to "popularity" (Windows is not popular by the way, it's just ubiquitous). | Mar 15 10:31 |
| schestowitz | > I agree, that's why I call it a myth. My emails to editors include a link to | Mar 15 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > this conversation where an expert in Windows cracking discusses many flaws | Mar 15 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > specific to Windows and only Windows: | Mar 15 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 15 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > http://philosecurity.org/2009/01/12/interview-with-an-adware-author | Mar 15 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 15 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > Thank you, Roy, for publishing that link and an excerpt at Boycott Novell. | Mar 15 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 15 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > People who advocate Microsoft and Windows rudely disagree. I had this | Mar 15 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > conversaton with the Tacoma Linux Users group last month and was surprised by | Mar 15 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > the vehemence demonstrated by some of the members: | Mar 15 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 15 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.quantumlinux.com/pipermail/taclug-general/2010-February/018158.html | Mar 15 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 15 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > They predict the sky will fall if people migrate to free software and | Mar 15 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > indirectly argue that we might as well keep paying to use known bad software. | Mar 15 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > The author of this article agrees that Windows problems should be called | Mar 15 10:37 |
| schestowitz | Windows problems. | Mar 15 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 15 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1595666/vodafone-ships-malware-infested-mobiles | Mar 15 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 15 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > It will be nice if The Inquirer's editors follow through. | Mar 15 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > While the threat you report is real, it's confined to people using | Mar 15 10:38 |
| schestowitz | > Microsoft Windows. Other systems do not have the same kinds of problems | Mar 15 10:38 |
| schestowitz | > that Windows does. Though there are many millions of happy GNU/Linux | Mar 15 10:38 |
| schestowitz | > desktop users such as myself. GNU/Linux is also deployed in most high | Mar 15 10:38 |
| schestowitz | > performance computing situations, including banks, stock markets and web | Mar 15 10:38 |
| schestowitz | > service sites like Google. None of us have the problems described here by a | Mar 15 10:38 |
| schestowitz | > man who used to write adware that took advantage of Microsoft Windows | Mar 15 10:38 |
| schestowitz | > users: | Mar 15 10:38 |
| schestowitz | The central point is, "These problems are caused by using Windows; why | Mar 15 10:38 |
| schestowitz | didn't the article say so?" Your first sentence starts to get at this | Mar 15 10:38 |
| schestowitz | point, but doesn't make the whole point. And neither does the rest of | Mar 15 10:38 |
| schestowitz | the first paragraph. Instead it talks about GNU/Linux. | Mar 15 10:38 |
| schestowitz | I suggest making the whole of the central point at the beginning. | Mar 15 10:41 |
| schestowitz | I think it is also a mistake to say so much about GNU/Linux in the letter. | Mar 15 10:42 |
| schestowitz | To some extent, that is a digression. After all, MacOS has better security | Mar 15 10:42 |
| schestowitz | than Windows, and not because of being free. Arguing too much for GNU/Linux | Mar 15 10:42 |
| schestowitz | in these letters could undermine them. | Mar 15 10:42 |
| schestowitz | > I try to mention the fact that the malware is mostly written for Windows. | Mar 15 10:42 |
| schestowitz | > Thanks for the reminder. Elinor | Mar 15 10:42 |
| schestowitz | She has not fully understood the central point. She understood part | Mar 15 10:42 |
| schestowitz | of it -- that these problems mainly happen on Windows machines. She | Mar 15 10:42 |
| schestowitz | has not got the point that Windows is more vulnerable, because of its | Mar 15 10:42 |
| schestowitz | bad design, which includes back doors deliberately made by Microsoft. | Mar 15 10:42 |
| schestowitz | She thinks it is only that the attackers find Windows a juicier target. | Mar 15 10:42 |
| schestowitz | It would be good to explain that more explicitly in the letters. | Mar 15 10:42 |
| schestowitz | > Roy has done a lot of the above already. I'm looking forward to what he comes | Mar 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | > up with next. | Mar 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | > It is true that this is a distraction to the particular task at hand, but | Mar 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | > debunking the "popularity myth" is a good idea. | Mar 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | > The basic arguments of the popularity myth run like this: | Mar 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | > 1. People love Windows, that's why it's so popular. | Mar 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | > 2. Crackers only target Windows because so many people use it. | Mar 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | > 3. All code is just as bad as Windows, crackers don't target other systems | Mar 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | > because no one uses those systems. | Mar 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | > 4. No one uses GNU/Linux because it's so hard to use, terrible for users, | Mar 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | > does not work with hardware, because it's not like Windows, place your | Mar 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | > favorite "free software will never do X, or catch up to Y" insult here. | Mar 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | > 5. Moving to free software will cost a lot of money, annoy users and provide | Mar 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | > no net security gain. See 1, 2, 3, and 4. | Mar 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | > None of these things is true, but each reinforces the others to form a | Mar 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | > credible belief system for the ignorant, indifferent and those who's | Mar 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | > livelyhoods depends on Windows. Microsoft has to shift blame and launch FUD | Mar 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | > attacks against competitors to maintain the illusion of Microsoft excellence | Mar 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | > in the face of their many obvious failures. Pointing out that all botnets | Mar 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | > are caused by Windows does not diffuse the above chain of reasoning. Showing | Mar 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | > that Windows has special, unlikely to be fixed weaknesses directly counters 3 | Mar 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | > and causes people to question other parts of the above belief system. The | Mar 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | > increasing, trouble free presence of any other software in network attached | Mar 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | > devices like phones, games and appliances also counters 3. | Mar 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | > ha! That article predicted people would sling around flaw statistics again, | Mar 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | "It reminds us of Microsoft's attempts to compare the number of security patches to Windows itself with those distributed for all of the thousands of applications, utilities and so on that make up a modern Linux distribution. | Mar 15 10:51 |
| schestowitz | > The Vole hasn't tried that one for a while now, so it's due to come around again. Maybe it will come up along with the next self-serving round of Microsoft-sponsored Total Cost of Ownership studies, since those seem to be about ready to ramp up again in this recession." | Mar 15 10:51 |
| schestowitz | > Someone from the Tacoma LUG pulled that one on me the other day. I think I'll send him that quote. BS has a longer half life than expected. | Mar 15 10:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 15 10:51 |
| schestowitz | > I'm not the best person to show that 2 and 3 are mistaken. I know a little C, | Mar 15 10:51 |
| schestowitz | > have developed software for research and industry and I pay attention. Code | Mar 15 10:51 |
| schestowitz | > quality studdies are consistent on the superiority of free software to non | Mar 15 10:51 |
| schestowitz | > free. That is the intuitive result of the number of developers that can work | Mar 15 10:51 |
| schestowitz | > on any free software project compared to the financial burden on a single | Mar 15 10:51 |
| schestowitz | > company with non free software. The performance history is abundant and | Mar 15 10:51 |
| schestowitz | > should provide serious researchers with all the material they need. The | Mar 15 10:51 |
| schestowitz | > distribution model of free software, where everyone ends up with up to date | Mar 15 10:51 |
| schestowitz | > code while non free software users have trouble finding their 10 year old OEM | Mar 15 10:51 |
| schestowitz | > install disk seems another obvious theoretical case in favor of free software | Mar 15 10:51 |
| schestowitz | > security, as does the natural diversity of distributions and greater hardware | Mar 15 11:03 |
| schestowitz | > choice free software desktop users can chose from. I've pointed to articles | Mar 15 11:03 |
| schestowitz | > by Windows crackers where they giddily mock the foolish design choices | Mar 15 11:03 |
| schestowitz | > Microsoft made that are specific to Windows alone. Alas, I'm not a computer | Mar 15 11:03 |
| schestowitz | > security expert and lack the credentials and time to carry out a serious | Mar 15 11:03 |
| schestowitz | > study. I'm a physicist and spend most of my time helping doctors cure | Mar 15 11:03 |
| schestowitz | > cancer. I can make these arguments in good faith but they would carry more | Mar 15 11:03 |
| schestowitz | > weight if made by a professional computer scientist. | Mar 15 11:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 15 11:03 |
| schestowitz | > Does anyone know someone who knows enough about Windows internals and real | Mar 15 11:03 |
| schestowitz | > security to debunk the popularity myth with authority? Someone brave enough | Mar 15 11:03 |
| schestowitz | > and secure enough in their position to deal with the inevitable libel that | Mar 15 11:03 |
| schestowitz | > comes with that kind of research? Perhaps a tenured professor who's written | Mar 15 11:03 |
| schestowitz | > an excellent paper on the cost of Vista's DRM schemes? | Mar 15 11:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 15 11:03 |
| schestowitz | > Recent Microsoft talk of "Internet driver's licenses" and charging fees to | Mar 15 11:03 |
| schestowitz | > clean up botnets are likely a reaction to modest proposals such as this: | Mar 15 11:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 15 11:03 |
| schestowitz | > http://blogs.computerworld.com/14515/how_to_save_the_internet_from_windows?page=8 | Mar 15 11:03 |
| schestowitz | > It would be good to have well grounded research showing the proper answer is | Mar 15 11:07 |
| schestowitz | > what seemed obvious to SJVN, throw windows off the internet. If we don't | Mar 15 11:07 |
| schestowitz | > have that research in place and good public awareness, Microsoft will use | Mar 15 11:07 |
| schestowitz | > public concerns and force ISPs to discriminate against free software even | Mar 15 11:07 |
| schestowitz | > more than they do now with bad laws like ACTA. | Mar 15 11:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 15 11:07 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.quantumlinux.com/pipermail/taclug-general/2010-February/018158.html | Mar 15 11:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 15 11:07 |
| schestowitz | > Botnet makers are harvesting "trusted computing" concepts. | Mar 15 11:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 15 11:07 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/12/new_zeus_features/ | Mar 15 11:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 15 11:07 |
| schestowitz | > Hopefully, this will clue people into the fact that Windows itself is malware. | Mar 15 11:07 |
| schestowitz | > The authors note that the Zeus botnet herding software has hardware based | Mar 15 11:07 |
| schestowitz | > anti-copy protection. If they don't already do so, it should not be long | Mar 15 11:07 |
| schestowitz | > before malware authors also exploit Microsoft's DRM mechanisms to make the | Mar 15 11:07 |
| schestowitz | > botnet clients "trusted" so that it's not identified as malware and thus as | Mar 15 11:07 |
| schestowitz | > impossible to remove as other Windows components. This would make | Mar 15 11:07 |
| schestowitz | > conventional AV software more obviously useless and demonstrate how user | Mar 15 11:07 |
| schestowitz | > hostile Microsoft's version of "trusted computing" really is. A computer | Mar 15 11:08 |
| schestowitz | > that's not controlled by the owner is a privacy and security risk by | Mar 15 11:08 |
| schestowitz | > definition. | Mar 15 11:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjFeVwuJB7I | Mar 15 18:57 |
| schestowitz | emacs user: | Mar 15 20:13 |
| schestowitz | > I can't get the hang of it, it's too instant for me. I can only use | Mar 15 20:13 |
| schestowitz | > IRC or USenet. How about settign an IRC server locaally, that masks | Mar 15 20:13 |
| schestowitz | > the IPS addresses. That way you can keep an eye of who is trolling | Mar 15 20:13 |
| schestowitz | > you. A squid proxy should do it .. | Mar 15 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Freenode can anonymise your username. | Mar 15 20:13 |
| schestowitz | > A few thoughts on this: | Mar 15 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 15 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > The comparison to banks isn't appropriate, because those are installations maintained by experts, not novice users. | Mar 15 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 15 20:17 |
| schestowitz | > It seems tough to anticipate what would happen if a multi-million (billion?) dollar malware industry was dedicated to subverting the Ubuntu installs of novice users. Even if some Windows security flaws (like bugs in IE) are impossible on GNU/Linux systems, they might find whole other kinds of problems that nobody is even aware of yet. | Mar 15 20:17 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 15 20:17 |
| schestowitz | > I bet you could run down a list of common ways that windows computers are attacked (an executable in an email attachment, for example) and explain how on GNU/Linux this would be impossible (in this case, because double clicking on an attachment would not execute it, and software is installed through a package manager). | Mar 15 20:17 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 15 20:17 |
| schestowitz | > Maybe none of this matters though. Our point could simply be that these security problems are Windows problems, and that any user can make them disappear by switching away from Windows. | Mar 15 20:17 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 15 20:17 |
| schestowitz | > When Windows' marketshare drops, we'll see if what Microsoft says is true. But there are many reasons to expect it not to be. In the meantime, switching to GNU/Linux is the best way to keep your computer secure and safe from fraud. Period. | Mar 15 20:17 |
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| schestowitz | [16:08] <anon> well roy I just wanted to tell you that while I respect what your doing with the antinovel-mono message I really do, I dont respect you for PM'ing me that one time and broadcastiing it without my permission in #boycottnovell..you might say it falls under journalism umbrella but I never considered you one frankly.I've not been back and wont unless I hear apology from you. | Mar 16 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Haha. | Mar 16 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > "pirvate hi Josh here's my private pics I took of myself last night. | Mar 16 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > > you have to sign up for a password http://tinyurl.com/y94jofr" | Mar 16 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > > | Mar 16 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > > http://twitter.com/Beliaryjuo | Mar 16 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > > | Mar 16 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > > http://www.meetlocals.com/?prg=1&id=perfectmoney3&tour=1&cmp=tcuk2 | Mar 16 17:20 |
| schestowitz | >>> http://twitter.com/Beliaryjuo | Mar 16 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > > | Mar 16 17:20 |
| schestowitz | >> >> I link to it??? | Mar 16 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > > | Mar 16 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > > No, I think they link to you, I think it's spam ?? | Mar 16 17:20 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* for a moment I thought I got cracked or something.... | Mar 16 17:20 |
| schestowitz | :-p | Mar 16 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Reconciled... | Mar 16 17:50 |
| schestowitz | [17:16] <schestowitz> ping | Mar 16 17:56 |
| schestowitz | [17:47] < > pong | Mar 16 17:56 |
| schestowitz | [17:47] < > sorry I was downstairs/outside | Mar 16 17:56 |
| schestowitz | [17:47] <schestowitz> Sorry man | Mar 16 17:56 |
| schestowitz | [17:47] < > but anyhoo | Mar 16 17:56 |
| schestowitz | [17:47] <schestowitz> I don't even recall doing such a thing | Mar 16 17:56 |
| schestowitz | [17:47] < > accepted. | Mar 16 17:56 |
| schestowitz | [17:47] < > its ok..Istill accept. | Mar 16 17:56 |
| schestowitz | [17:47] < > has anything with mono changed at all.. | Mar 16 17:56 |
| schestowitz | [17:48] <schestowitz> Yes | Mar 16 17:56 |
| schestowitz | [17:48] <schestowitz> But not much | Mar 16 17:56 |
| schestowitz | [17:48] * schestowitz gets link | Mar 16 17:56 |
| schestowitz | [17:48] <schestowitz> Today: http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/16/incorporation-of-mono-gnome/ | Mar 16 17:56 |
| schestowitz | [17:48] < > I heard something about M$ changing license to allow mono to be downloaded elsewhere other than JUST novel..if true hmmm | Mar 16 17:56 |
| schestowitz | [17:48] < > oh gawd | Mar 16 17:56 |
| schestowitz | [17:49] < > oh yes I recall that now..am I surprised, heck no | Mar 16 17:56 |
| schestowitz | [17:49] < > sad, definitely | Mar 16 17:56 |
| schestowitz | [17:50] < > a big deal yes,,and <no>..where trouble brews with gnome, kde/qt to the rescue ;) | Mar 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz | [17:50] < > so soon ill be installing pcbsd , which uses qt by default...with luck qt wont ever become infected ? ;)) | Mar 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz | [17:51] < > dasinit | Mar 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz | [17:51] < > dain it | Mar 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz | [17:51] < > sorry I meant all that to go IN #boycottnovell | Mar 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz | [17:51] < > dain irc client | Mar 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz | [17:52] < > tty in the channel and again thx/accepted no hesitation. | Mar 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz | [17:52] <schestowitz> :-) | Mar 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz | [17:52] < > :) | Mar 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz | [17:52] <schestowitz> Maybe by accident | Mar 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz |  | Mar 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz | [17:53] < > very possible | Mar 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz | [17:53] < > been there,, totally done that. | Mar 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz | [17:53] < > heh | Mar 16 17:57 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzdv2dsPPKw | Mar 17 15:57 |
| schestowitz | >> P.S. Congratulations on your Ph.D! | Mar 17 16:13 |
| schestowitz | Ah... well, now I will struggle to have excuses to spend all day promoting Linux :-) | Mar 17 16:13 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: which page should i translate to hungarian? | Mar 18 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Just the "Introduction" part of the Wiki (front page) | Mar 18 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Thanks! | Mar 18 20:50 |
| MinceR | where should i submit it once i'm done? | Mar 18 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Can you mail it to r@schestowitz.com? | Mar 18 20:54 |
| MinceR | i will | Mar 18 21:02 |
| schestowitz | yay! :-) | Mar 18 21:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.handlewithlinux.com/linux-washing-cooking | Mar 18 21:24 |
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| schestowitz | > Yes, you have been busy and it's all good. Thanks. | Mar 19 02:39 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 19 02:39 |
| schestowitz | > I'm working on links to your articles about press manipulation. The one | Mar 19 02:39 |
| schestowitz | > specific thing you had about security is the tip of a corruption the size of | Mar 19 02:39 |
| schestowitz | > broadcast. I should have something this weekend. | Mar 19 02:39 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: i've sent you the translation | Mar 19 14:31 |
| MinceR | one more thing: the native name of the language (for the translation list) is "Magyar" | Mar 19 15:06 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: got your message | Mar 19 15:20 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Magyar | Mar 19 15:21 |
| schestowitz | Does that looks OK? | Mar 19 15:21 |
| schestowitz | I got the encoding OK, I hope | Mar 19 15:21 |
| schestowitz | > I've translated the "Introduction" section of the main page to | Mar 19 15:21 |
| schestowitz | > Hungarian. I've attached the original wiki source and the translated one | Mar 19 15:21 |
| schestowitz | > (so you can tell what part exactly was translated). Not having a local | Mar 19 15:21 |
| schestowitz | > MediaWiki installation I couldn't really check the wiki syntax. The text | Mar 19 15:21 |
| schestowitz | > links to pages in English, but I don't think that's a problem. The | Mar 19 15:21 |
| schestowitz | > second sentence of the last paragraph refers to the following parts of | Mar 19 15:21 |
| schestowitz | > the page so if you omit those parts on the Hungarian main page, you | Mar 19 15:21 |
| schestowitz | > should remove that sentence too. | Mar 19 15:21 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 19 15:21 |
| schestowitz | > The attachments are encoded in UTF-8. | Mar 19 15:21 |
| schestowitz | MediaWiki can also do Chinese and stuff | Mar 19 15:21 |
| schestowitz | Don't know it it escalates to unicode | Mar 19 15:21 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/25308671"@schestowitz amazon are no one's friend. anyone who builds a book reader that destroys books sets himself against society and knowledge" | Mar 19 15:57 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: since the indexes of the Main Page are omitted, i'd remove the second sentence of the last paragraph (as it refers to those) | Mar 19 17:03 |
| MinceR | otherwise it's correct | Mar 19 17:04 |
| schestowitz | Ah, maybe I'll add the page links.. | Mar 19 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Better now? http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Magyar | Mar 19 17:26 |
| MinceR | yes | Mar 19 17:29 |
| schestowitz | :_D | Mar 19 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Thanks! | Mar 19 17:48 |
| MinceR | yw | Mar 19 17:53 |
| schestowitz | by Joe Brockmeier http://ostatic.com/blog/a-look-at-limo-interview-with-david-lefty-schlesinger | Mar 19 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Ohhh... lookie here | Mar 19 17:53 |
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| schestowitz | <zoobab_> i use an ssh client on my nokia e71 | Mar 19 20:27 |
| schestowitz | <zoobab_> with screen and irssi on the server | Mar 19 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Mar 19 20:27 | |
| schestowitz | * Loaded log from Wed Dec 30 12:35:49 2009 | Mar 19 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Mar 19 20:27 | |
| schestowitz | <zoobab_> confirmation from a lobbyist in Brussels | Mar 19 20:27 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. | Mar 20 19:19 |
| schestowitz | > I miss the chats as much as you. When I look back at some of our old | Mar 20 19:19 |
| schestowitz | > messages, I wonder why the conversation halted. On my part, I thought you | Mar 20 19:19 |
| schestowitz | > were too busy for trivia; after all, you were juggling many balls in the | Mar 20 19:19 |
| schestowitz | > air...working on your doctorate, web log, writing articles, sports and | Mar 20 19:19 |
| schestowitz | > exercise activities and a million other projects. I did not want to be a | Mar 20 19:19 |
| schestowitz | > distraction or interference. | Mar 20 19:19 |
| schestowitz | > One old project, I would like to revive is Anita's Artwork link. I have been | Mar 20 19:19 |
| schestowitz | > a little remiss in not keeping up with her production, which has been | Mar 20 19:19 |
| schestowitz | > improving with every new painting. I am way backlogged and need to start | Mar 20 19:19 |
| schestowitz | > taking some digital photos. I believe you have 2 (or is it 4) of her | Mar 20 19:19 |
| schestowitz | > paintings that were not posted; I have forgotten which ones. Please let me | Mar 20 19:19 |
| schestowitz | > know. | Mar 20 19:19 |
| schestowitz | Florida cousins | Mar 20 19:19 |
| schestowitz | [22:00] <sebsebseb> I have done it before in publically logged IRC | Mar 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | [22:00] <sebsebseb> said that I live near Bristol | Mar 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | [22:00] <sebsebseb> ,but I didn't want to say it in there | Mar 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | [22:01] <sebsebseb> altough I kind of maybe gave that way | Mar 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | [22:01] <sebsebseb> also your a Dr now? got some sort of status? I see your name for IRC now | Mar 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz |  | Mar 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | [22:09] <sebsebseb> I assume you got this | Mar 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | [22:10] <sebsebseb> ? | Mar 20 22:28 |
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| MinceR | who's lumpy? lefty? | Mar 21 20:55 |
| schestowitz | yes | Mar 21 21:44 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 21 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | I don't call him that, Malroy does | Mar 21 23:48 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Magyar "This page has been accessed 82 times." | Mar 22 00:02 |
| MinceR | wow | Mar 22 00:08 |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | Mar 22 14:40 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Mar 22 14:40 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz at Mon Mar 16 02:04:07 2009 | Mar 22 14:40 | |
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| schestowitz | "This page has been accessed 139 times." | Mar 23 01:45 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-10468165-71.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20 | Mar 23 01:50 |
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| schestowitz | > Hi Roy. | Mar 23 17:21 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 23 17:21 |
| schestowitz | > Glad it's all done and dusted at last! I'm afraid I'm rather busy | Mar 23 17:21 |
| schestowitz | > this week, then off for easter (I've just started lecturing for MSc, | Mar 23 17:21 |
| schestowitz | > did 4 lectures last thursday, have to write the next six!) | Mar 23 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Nice! Congratulations. | Mar 23 17:21 |
| schestowitz | > , so will | Mar 23 17:21 |
| schestowitz | > have to turn down your kind offer at the moment. | Mar 23 17:21 |
| schestowitz | OK, no problem. :-) | Mar 23 17:21 |
| schestowitz | > When are you graduating? Would be nice if I could get to that to | Mar 23 17:21 |
| schestowitz | > cheer you on. | Mar 23 17:21 |
| schestowitz | It's in July. | Mar 23 17:21 |
| schestowitz | > What are you doing at the moment? Any more TV interviews? | Mar 23 17:21 |
| schestowitz | I grew my readership to around 10,000 people per day. I hope to find a part-time research opening. Are you aware of any? | Mar 23 17:21 |
| schestowitz | My USENET service is down | Mar 23 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Very annoying :-( | Mar 23 18:57 |
| schestowitz | "Sorry to be a pain in the bum, I was wondering if there's some rough idea of when the server will be back up. There's no hurry, but I'm curious cause I haven't posted in 4 days." | Mar 23 18:57 |
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| scientes | can I get "fewa" changed to "scientes"? | Mar 23 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Where? | Mar 23 20:22 |
| scientes | on BN | Mar 23 20:26 |
| scientes | have you used 4G internet | Mar 23 20:27 |
| scientes | its kinda expensive | Mar 23 20:27 |
| scientes | but the flexibility is alluring | Mar 23 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Mar 23 20:28 |
| schestowitz | I never use wireless | Mar 23 20:28 |
| schestowitz | All wired | Mar 23 20:28 |
| scientes | I prefer wired | Mar 23 20:30 |
| scientes | in a house, no wireless at all | Mar 23 20:30 |
| scientes | but its nice to be able to get internet in places | Mar 23 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | > Hi Roy, | Mar 24 01:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 24 01:43 |
| schestowitz | > I've seen your coverage and would like to pitch you on Jaspersoft (the | Mar 24 01:43 |
| schestowitz | > open source business Intelligence company) when you're writing about | Mar 24 01:43 |
| schestowitz | > relevant topics. I've been on the Jaspersoft PR team for a few months. | Mar 24 01:43 |
| schestowitz | > Until this point my former colleague, Jennifer Cloer, owned most of the | Mar 24 01:43 |
| schestowitz | > outreach to you, but with her recent departure, I want to learn what | Mar 24 01:43 |
| schestowitz | > topics you're writing and thinking about most this year. | Mar 24 01:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 24 01:43 |
| schestowitz | > Mainly, I want to make sure I don't waste your time with pitches you | Mar 24 01:43 |
| schestowitz | > don't care about. Likewise, if there are customers, ISVs or vendors I | Mar 24 01:43 |
| schestowitz | > have access to that can help you on stories, I want to make sure I get | Mar 24 01:43 |
| schestowitz | > you access to them. | Mar 24 01:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 24 01:43 |
| schestowitz | > I'd love to get 10 minutes on the phone with you. If you'll be in the | Mar 24 01:43 |
| schestowitz | > Bay Area, I'll even spring for lunch. And if neither of these are | Mar 24 01:43 |
| schestowitz | > options for you, I'd really appreciate if you could take 1-2 minutes and | Mar 24 01:43 |
| schestowitz | > jot down top-of-mind topics you're looking to cover so I know how to | Mar 24 01:43 |
| schestowitz | > help. I'd like to be able to touch base with you every month or so to | Mar 24 01:43 |
| schestowitz | > see what's on your radar. | Mar 24 01:43 |
| schestowitz | Hi Jasmine, | Mar 24 01:43 |
| schestowitz | I have a general personal policy of not engaging with PR agencies. | Mar 24 01:43 |
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| schestowitz | USENET still down... | Mar 24 11:43 |
| schestowitz | :-( | Mar 24 11:43 |
| schestowitz | > Hi Roy, | Mar 24 11:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 24 11:43 |
| schestowitz | > Sorry for the delay, but it will be a day or two yet. It should be sorted by or on next weekend, I'm just very busy at work at the moment and struggling to find the time. | Mar 24 11:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 24 11:43 |
| schestowitz | > Apologies! | Mar 24 11:43 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, I _Really_ appreciate it! | Mar 24 11:43 |
| schestowitz | In Google Groups I can see the trolls already spreading nasty rumours about my absence. :-) | Mar 24 11:43 |
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| schestowitz | RMS: | Mar 24 14:54 |
| schestowitz | > I did write back with some of these points, thank you. I pointed out that | Mar 24 14:54 |
| schestowitz | > desktop computers are outnumbered by all the other computing devices, from | Mar 24 14:54 |
| schestowitz | > cell phones to supercomputers, but none of these has a problem and neither do | Mar 24 14:54 |
| schestowitz | > desktops that use software other than Microsoft's. | Mar 24 14:54 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 24 14:54 |
| schestowitz | > Actually there are cell phone viruses. They attack proprietary | Mar 24 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > software. I don't know what OS those phones run, or whether the | Mar 24 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > software being attacked is at the system level. (The system MIGHT be | Mar 24 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > Wince.) | Mar 24 14:55 |
| schestowitz | Windows{tm} Mobile{tm} has viruses; Symbian, which uses a similar DLL design, has some too. It was used on about 60% of phones, but it didn't become an epidemic. I haven't come across any reports of Android/LiMo/Maemo viruses. | Mar 24 14:55 |
| schestowitz | [19:54] <aFriend> oh well, I am too much of a noob, I wanted that line to go to your view only | Mar 24 20:02 |
| schestowitz | [19:55] <schestowitz> Hey | Mar 24 20:02 |
| schestowitz | [19:55] <aFriend> Hi! | Mar 24 20:02 |
| schestowitz | [19:56] <aFriend> so, this has to do with going ons in a 3rd world country | Mar 24 20:02 |
| schestowitz | [19:56] <schestowitz> mail to r@schestowitz.com | Mar 24 20:02 |
| schestowitz | [19:56] <aFriend> great! | Mar 24 20:02 |
| schestowitz | [19:56] <aFriend> will do | Mar 24 20:02 |
| schestowitz | [19:56] <aFriend> thanks!! | Mar 24 20:02 |
| schestowitz | [19:56] <schestowitz> thanks | Mar 24 20:02 |
| schestowitz |  | Mar 24 20:02 |
| schestowitz | [19:57] <-- aFriend has left this server (Quit: Page closed). | Mar 24 20:02 |
| schestowitz | > Actually currently from Austin, TX | Mar 24 20:04 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 24 20:04 |
| schestowitz | > Before I get into details I need to have a feel if you would be OK to | Mar 24 20:04 |
| schestowitz | > receive some information which is not legally confidential but highly | Mar 24 20:04 |
| schestowitz | > sensitive, and hold on to it before releasing to the public. For | Mar 24 20:04 |
| schestowitz | > obvious reasons I would not send what is actually confidential from a | Mar 24 20:04 |
| schestowitz | > legal point of view, but then what is legal or not ends up being nuances | Mar 24 20:04 |
| schestowitz | > when we talk about M power in my country, and to my :-) satisfaction :-) | Mar 24 20:04 |
| schestowitz | > I received today confirm that I am in M's short list of unfriendlies there. | Mar 24 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Hi, | Mar 24 20:04 |
| schestowitz | I respect confidentiality as I have done in many thousands of posts. I would not disclose your personal details under any circumstances. | Mar 24 20:04 |
| schestowitz | > > http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/24/mono-criticism-vanishes/ | Mar 24 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Ah, I wonder how he'd respond to *real* fear mongering, hating, | Mar 24 21:56 |
| schestowitz | and conspiracy theories :-). | Mar 24 21:56 |
| schestowitz | I thought Miguel was less thin-skinned that that. Oh well :-). | Mar 24 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Jeremy. | Mar 24 21:56 |
| schestowitz | RMS likes BN :-) | Mar 24 21:58 |
| schestowitz | > http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/19/credit-for-naming-microsoft-windows/ | Mar 24 21:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 24 21:58 |
| schestowitz | > I am impressed with these results. | Mar 24 21:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 24 21:58 |
| schestowitz | > I have a suggestion. The tone comes across as negative regarding the | Mar 24 21:58 |
| schestowitz | > journalists Elinor Mills and John Markoff, who have more or less | Mar 24 21:58 |
| schestowitz | > accepted what they've been asked to do. That negativity could | Mar 24 21:58 |
| schestowitz | > backfire if it gives people the feeling that, if they do as we ask, | Mar 24 21:58 |
| schestowitz | > we will be harsh with them afterwards. | Mar 24 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 24 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > That could occur as a semiconscious emotional reaction which would be | Mar 24 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > hard for them to analyze or recognize. | Mar 24 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 24 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > So I suggest, in the future, avoiding any negativity of tone | Mar 24 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > about journalists that have acceded to our requests. | Mar 24 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 24 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > Aside from that detail, I just want to say, "Good show!" | Mar 24 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | PR people again........ | Mar 25 00:55 |
| schestowitz | > Hi Roy Schestowitz, | Mar 25 00:55 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 25 00:55 |
| schestowitz | > My name's Anna Yuzon, I work for projectmanager.com who is a project management software company. Our owner Jason Westland (who you may have heard of before) has asked me to email you as he has been impressed by your website http://boycottnovell.com and would like to request a link on this page http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page in order to get his new project management software some exposure. | Mar 25 00:55 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 25 00:55 |
| schestowitz | > In return I would like to offer you 4 free copies of our new project management software "MPMM professional" we sell each copy for $495 usually as you can see at mpmm.com. You can use these copies of mpmm for your own business or as a giveaway for your clients/visitors. | Mar 25 00:55 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 25 00:55 |
| schestowitz | > Please let me know whether this is something that you would be interested in and if there is anything else that we could help you with? | Mar 25 00:55 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 25 00:55 |
| schestowitz | > If you would like to get in touch with Jason directly, you can contact him at jwestland@method123.com | Mar 25 00:55 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 25 00:55 |
| schestowitz | > Kind Regards | Mar 25 00:55 |
| schestowitz | > Anna Yuzon | Mar 25 00:55 |
| schestowitz | > Marketing Director | Mar 25 00:56 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.projectmanager.com | Mar 25 00:56 |
| schestowitz | > anna@projectmanager.com | Mar 25 00:56 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 25 00:56 |
| schestowitz | > P.S. I have attached an image of project managers logo if you if you would prefer to use it rather then a text link. | Mar 25 00:56 |
| schestowitz | The name of this troll fascinates me: :-) | Mar 25 01:20 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/Elland_Road/statuses/10998822787 | Mar 25 01:20 |
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| scientes | sooo confused..... | Mar 25 01:50 |
| scientes | its as if in atomized modern society real relationships don't exist | Mar 25 01:50 |
| scientes | only ones based on stereotypes and economics | Mar 25 01:50 |
| scientes | or maybe I just see too much, that others arn't seeing | Mar 25 01:51 |
| scientes | or too little.... o0O | Mar 25 01:51 |
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| scientes | IM SO HAPPY!!!! | Mar 25 06:17 |
| schestowitz | I'm the opposite | Mar 25 07:45 |
| schestowitz | Cause of the news from Russia | Mar 25 07:45 |
| schestowitz | Dumping | Mar 25 07:45 |
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| scientes | dumping of... | Mar 25 08:34 |
| scientes | no, this is real happiness | Mar 25 08:35 |
| scientes | marriage is imminent | Mar 25 08:35 |
| scientes | quite exhilerating | Mar 25 08:35 |
| scientes | courtship was like 1 month | Mar 25 08:37 |
| scientes | rediculously short | Mar 25 08:37 |
| scientes | my brain, soaked in oxytocin | Mar 25 08:40 |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | Mar 25 14:57 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Mar 25 14:57 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz at Mon Mar 16 02:04:07 2009 | Mar 25 14:57 | |
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| MinceR | you could keep them from "having this discussion" on #bn | Mar 25 18:53 |
| MinceR | as you can see, Shd is clearly trolling | Mar 25 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, it's funny | Mar 25 18:59 |
| MinceR | kickban Shd already, he's abusing the channel | Mar 25 19:00 |
| MinceR | also, someone should have put flood protection in the bot | Mar 25 19:01 |
| MinceR | he has autorejoin, he must be banned | Mar 25 19:02 |
| MinceR | he'll get around the nick ban... | Mar 25 19:02 |
| MinceR | please ban *!*@2001:41d0:2:2307::1 | Mar 25 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Thanks | Mar 25 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Vandals | Mar 25 19:05 |
| MinceR | np | Mar 25 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Long time since we were last trolled or DDOSed | Mar 25 19:08 |
| schestowitz | First time this year | Mar 25 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Invite-only? | Mar 25 19:12 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure yet | Mar 25 19:15 |
| schestowitz | They'll get tired | Mar 25 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Troll tourism | Mar 25 19:20 |
| MinceR | they'll get banned | Mar 25 19:20 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 25 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Mutex gave up | Mar 25 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Also in comments | Mar 25 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he passed away | Mar 25 19:21 |
| schestowitz | I'm keeping the bot out for now | Mar 25 19:21 |
| MinceR | ok | Mar 25 19:22 |
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| schestowitz | Turns out that RMS reads BN | Mar 26 07:31 |
| schestowitz | He didn't like your insults of Jobs | Mar 26 07:31 |
| schestowitz | > On reading that page, I felt that the IRC conversation quoted at the | Mar 26 07:31 |
| schestowitz | > end detracted from the point. It was several people I don't know | Mar 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz | > anything about, attacking Apple by imagining what it might do, and | Mar 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz | > expressing their thoughts inarticulately. I think readers that | Mar 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz | > recognize this will react by having less respect for your site. | Mar 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz | IRC is usually public and most people recognise that it's informal. I agree that it doesn't add much in this case. | Mar 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz | Mar 26 07:32 | |
| schestowitz | > What Apple is really doing is sufficiently bad that we don't need | Mar 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz | > to quote a conversation like this to criticize it. | Mar 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz | > The question that I wonder about is this: is the software which | Mar 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz | > implements the feature of unlocking the device in the HTC phone | Mar 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz | > free software? | Mar 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz | There are 20 patents involved; some are clearly about Android and some journalists say Chrome OS too (it is based on Ubuntu, which is GNU/Linux). | Mar 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz | Mar 26 07:32 | |
| schestowitz | > I also read | Mar 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz | > http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/03/apple-attacks-linux-with-swpats/ | Mar 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz | > It says Apple has attacked Linux, but is the target of the attack | Mar 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz | > really Linux? | Mar 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz | > Apple is suing HTC, and the HTC phone runs software which includes | Mar 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz | > Linux. But that doesn't make it clear whether the suit is about | Mar 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz | > Linux, or other software. Do you know? | Mar 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz | Android will be remerged into Linux and the Android implementation is targeted here, based on the claims made. This is why Google stepped in as a defender of HTC's case. | Mar 26 07:32 |
| schestowitz | > The patent on using a gesture to unlock the phone probably does not | Mar 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | > concern Linux, since that is a UI feature and would naturally be | Mar 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | > implemented at a level of software rather far from Linux. But I don't | Mar 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | > know what the other patents are, so I have no idea whether the claimed | Mar 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | > infringement of any of them is in Linux. | Mar 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | > Another interesting question is whether any of the claimed infringement | Mar 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | > is implemented in free software (perhaps Android). | Mar 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | Android is not entirely Free software (that would be like describing it as "half pregnant"), but the non-Free parts are mostly to do with communication, not the GUI. | Mar 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | > Using software patents for aggression is always wrong, so Apple's | Mar 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | > action is certainly bad. But it does make a difference to our | Mar 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | > community whether the software being attacked is our community's free | Mar 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | > software, or proprietary software being distributed alongside our | Mar 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | > community's free software. | Mar 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | Apple's challenge to HTC would generalise to almost any other distributor of Android. Thus, the patent case acts as a deterrent against a platform that uses Free software. I agree with your point, but looking at the circumstances, it's exactly the same explanation given when Microsoft sued TomTom for various things including its VFAT support. This is a preparation to collection of "royalties" from all users of the same Free | Mar 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | software. | Mar 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | The TomTom case taught that by claiming to just target one company the claimant clearly tries to establish a precedence that will make others buckle. | Mar 26 07:34 |
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| schestowitz | Fishy | Mar 26 16:20 |
| MinceR | ice_ice_baby_ | Mar 26 16:22 |
| schestowitz | USENET still down for me | Mar 26 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Withdrawal sypmtoms not there thoiugh | Mar 26 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Haven't posted in a week........ | Mar 26 18:59 |
| schestowitz | "I was wondering how it's coming along :-) No rush, just curious." | Mar 26 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Hardware fail | Mar 26 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Massive one | Mar 26 19:00 |
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| scientes | http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Family_Happiness/1 | Mar 27 04:35 |
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| schestowitz | RMS: | Mar 28 12:03 |
| schestowitz | > I just looked at some of the articles on that site. They seem like good points, but the issues have nothing to do with Novell. | Mar 28 12:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 28 12:03 |
| schestowitz | > The name boycottnovell comes across to me as too aggressive, and too narrow too. Initially, perhaps, the site was focused on issues concerning Novell, but now it has extended far beyond that. A boycott is just one weapon, useful sometimes but not applicable in all the cases you write about. | Mar 28 12:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 28 12:03 |
| schestowitz | > I think that if you switch to a new name that better reflects the range of subjects, and takes a better calculated tone, the site would have more influence. | Mar 28 12:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 28 12:03 |
| schestowitz | > The issues mostly to concern how microsoft operates covertly or through proxies. But there are some articles about Apple, too. Do they all concern big businesses attacking free software? | Mar 28 12:03 |
| schestowitz | Please allow me to begin with clarifications. "Boycott Novell" is not a name that I chose. The site was born shortly after the Microsoft/Novell deal had been signed and its creator later invited me to help edit because I was well known among GNU/Linux and Free software supporters. Over time I wrote about 10,000 pages (about 10 per day) in "Boycott Novell" alone. I write a lot more in other places and pace limits my ability to | Mar 28 12:03 |
| schestowitz | remove weasel phrases that are typed at the heat of the moment and posted almost instantaneously. I am aware that there is room for improvement and your feedback helps me greatly. | Mar 28 12:03 |
| schestowitz | "The Web site's name was maintained for technical reasons (existing URLs) and because people who follow me resisted my attempts to rename it. I never liked the name, not even when I first joined as an editor. We enjoy a very active IRC forum where ideas are brought up and ideas are formed. They chose to stick with the existing name and I respected that." | Mar 28 12:04 |
| schestowitz | ""Boycott Novell" is a poor name for such a site as I address threats to Free software in general and a lot of ethical issues too. I don't personify companies and I don't offer favourism to any (like Google, IBM, and Amazon, whose threats I understand). I've been reading all the items on your site on a daily basis and I too post groups of links, such as this ones that I posted just 10 minutes ago < http://boycottnovell.com/ | Mar 28 12:04 |
| schestowitz | 2010/03/25/fsf-award-winners/ > (sometimes these are bi-daily postings; I spend over 100 hours/week advocating Free software)." | Mar 28 12:04 |
| MinceR | is the resistance about changing the domain name or about changing the name of the site? | Mar 28 12:06 |
| schestowitz | Both | Mar 28 12:06 |
| schestowitz | Too much trouble | Mar 28 12:06 |
| schestowitz | I guess some people get used to it, not errant visitors | Mar 28 12:07 |
| schestowitz | Mononon renamed | Mar 28 12:07 |
| schestowitz | ->The Source | Mar 28 12:07 |
| schestowitz | *Mono-nono | Mar 28 12:07 |
| MinceR | perhaps the site could get more visitors if its name reflected its broader mission. the old domain name could still point to it, with links intact (though i'm not entirely aware of the issues with doing that) | Mar 28 12:08 |
| schestowitz | I thought about it, but it's tricky | Mar 28 12:09 |
| schestowitz | Also how people recognise the source | Mar 28 12:09 |
| schestowitz | At least it's not called "boycott Microsoft" | Mar 28 12:10 |
| schestowitz | That would not eb good | Mar 28 12:10 |
| schestowitz | Criticism of Microsoft (in general, with exceptions) gives anyone who tries it a lot of flak. It falls under the stereotype of "Microsoft hater" or "irrational hatred" (Microsoft uses other labels). | Mar 28 12:10 |
| schestowitz | Criticism of Microsoft has put me under a lot pressure, trouble, and abuse, including libel against me and harassment though employers. I usually manage to catch the sources of the attacks and even identify Microsoft employees outside US juristriction who are responsible for it. I reported this to then FTC and received replies. To be fair, Microsoft is not the only company that resorts to such distateful methods. | Mar 28 12:10 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft also keeps dossiers (now leaked) on people who write about it; it retaliates against "dissenters" by repeatedly mocking them and intimidating them. I base this on factual evidence that I have gathered, not on speculations. maybe oiaohm got flagged too :D | Mar 28 12:10 |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 28 12:11 |
| MinceR | how about something positive, like "protect free software"? :) | Mar 28 12:11 |
| MinceR | or "defend" | Mar 28 12:15 |
| oiaohm | Most of the time I get left alone schestowitz | Mar 28 12:53 |
| oiaohm | Mostly because they are not what you call anno attackers if they come in my direction. | Mar 28 12:54 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: "Free software" is not commonly understood | Mar 28 12:57 |
| schestowitz | I'd rather be seen as promoting other causes | Mar 28 12:57 |
| schestowitz | I've just mailed my grandpa about it actually........ | Mar 28 12:57 |
| oiaohm | http://michuk.posterous.com/who-is-the-enemy-of-floss-today You are seeing this more and more. | Mar 28 12:59 |
| schestowitz | It's a rant actually... | Mar 28 12:59 |
| schestowitz | I'll paste it here. | Mar 28 12:59 |
| oiaohm | People forget the xbox and the xbox360 by microsoft | Mar 28 12:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 28 12:59 |
| schestowitz | I've made the big news again and I have decided to explain to you what I am up to because it's almost Easter, so I have free time. I hope this does not come across as an inappropriately boring subject to bring up, but last month I contacted friends (some of them professors), to whom I told that I am at a crossroad where I can either stick with academia/research or continue to work on advancing freedom and civil rights. | Mar 28 12:59 |
| schestowitz | People who are knowledgeable in this area said that they would contact me regarding the subject and even check some options for me. I have a Ph.D. in Medical Biophysical, which I earned with the head of the Computer Science department in one of the 6 best (a 5* RAE ranking) Computer Science departments in the UK. | Mar 28 12:59 |
| schestowitz | He has an OBE and he would happily recommend me to anyone willing to offer me an opportunity (which I hope is possible at the capacity that only fulfills my basic needs, as I hardly require funding to publish online). | Mar 28 12:59 |
| schestowitz | The media is transforming very fast as newspapers are dying (mostly in paper form, which gets phased out) and people like myself fill the gap. I view this as an important gap. | Mar 28 12:59 |
| schestowitz | People who used to send information to journalists are now approaching me privately for coverage because they understand the shift. The longer I do this, the better it gets. On several occasions I was urged to write books, but books too are a dying media. | Mar 28 12:59 |
| schestowitz | I happen to know (and have met) some clever and valuable people and I attended important events over the years -- events where I met some influential people who open doors. The main issue that I have with full-time jobs that they occupy entire days. What they can offer is huge monetary gain, but that would require making concessions when it comes to activities that only I can cover (individuality and freedom of expression). | Mar 28 12:59 |
| schestowitz | These activities require years of learning. I have other achievements and skills which I can offer to these causes, including my authority and name. I play an important role in the area I'm involved in. | Mar 28 12:59 |
| schestowitz | All the code I have ever produced is Free(dom) software which is used by many, I received honours for some of it (MATLAB ranked me first in the world at one point), and yet my bigger impact has probably more to do with analyses that I published and reached millions of people, especially people in the different areas of technology. | Mar 28 12:59 |
| schestowitz | It's also what had me invited to participate in a film that will air in Swiss and French television next month (and maybe US cable too). | Mar 28 12:59 |
| schestowitz | Like few other people who explore this type of field (including an inspiration and friend which is Pamela from Groklaw, whom I've been in daily touch with since 2006), I now serve approximately 10,000 human visitors (UIPs) per day and I realise that if I cannot fit this into/with a framework that supports it fully (supporting it in terms of mere acceptance, since financially it is simple and I have done that for years), I will | Mar 28 12:59 |
| schestowitz | need to stop watching the ball and just make money with a full-time job (meaning that no time will be left for advancement of more important goals). | Mar 28 12:59 |
| schestowitz | After so many years of learning and understanding the intricacies of the subject where I have tremendous impact, that would be a waste and a shame to many. I hope you principally support my efforts with realisation that this is the best route I can take as it would be most beneficial to my future. I currently consider looking for a part-time job in research (exploiting my doctorate degree). | Mar 28 13:00 |
| schestowitz | I realise that there are particular norms which are encouraged through peers and the education system. There are particular patterns in life that we are encouraged to take and assume are best for all people. In reality, however, depending on one's expertise and ambitions, the model proposed by most people simply does not fit. | Mar 28 13:00 |
| schestowitz | The people to whom I struggle to explain this are usually those who are most indoctrinated, whereas just about any professor that I speak to agrees with me fully and finds many things to talk to me about. It's mostly discussion about ideas and the workings of systems, not just people or mere occasions. | Mar 28 13:00 |
| schestowitz | I perceive this current position as a sign of maturity, not confusion at all. People read what I write because it is sufficiently insightful, not superficial. I am generally a very happy person who is pleased with just about everything. | Mar 28 13:00 |
| schestowitz | Possessions do not make me happier, expression does. The Western culture has led a lot of people to the belief that maximisation of wealth is the sole goal, but about 8 years ago I realised that this vision is flawed and reaching out to those who consume for the betterment of few stakeholders. | Mar 28 13:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 28 13:00 |
| schestowitz | /end rand | Mar 28 13:00 |
| schestowitz | /end rant | Mar 28 13:00 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, DRM | Mar 28 13:00 |
| schestowitz | "However, we've been noticing a change in approach for the last couple of years. Microsoft started to work with standarization bodies like ISO and W3C, it stopped sending hostile messages to the FLOSS world and eventually even started developing open source software itself, to a limited degree." | Mar 28 13:00 |
| schestowitz | Not true | Mar 28 13:00 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Mar 28 13:00 |
| schestowitz | "started to work with standarization bodies like ISO" | Mar 28 13:00 |
| schestowitz | If bribing is work then yeah... | Mar 28 13:00 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft only shattered ISO and made a mockery of it | Mar 28 13:01 |
| *schestowitz still reading | Mar 28 13:01 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, some of the points raised by me is that Microsoft is not the sole problem, like ender* chooses to view it | Mar 28 13:02 |
| schestowitz | Comment: "Microsoft has made noises and PR about it being OSS friendly, but it's all show." | Mar 28 13:03 |
| schestowitz | yeah, I can't link to that | Mar 28 13:03 |
| schestowitz | Too much whitewashing there for Microsoft | Mar 28 13:03 |
| oiaohm | Reads very much like a MS supporting PR guy. | Mar 28 13:04 |
| schestowitz | Borys Musielak | Mar 28 13:04 |
| schestowitz | I'm surprised he wrote that | Mar 28 13:04 |
| schestowitz | He runs PolishLinux | Mar 28 13:04 |
| schestowitz | Now dormant | Mar 28 13:04 |
| schestowitz | ANyway, bbl | Mar 28 13:05 |
| schestowitz | g2g | Mar 28 13:05 |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | Mar 28 18:30 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Mar 28 18:30 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz at Mon Mar 16 02:04:07 2009 | Mar 28 18:30 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,681525,00.html | Mar 28 18:43 |
| *MinceR_ is now known as MinceR | Mar 28 19:08 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSxgnu3Hww8 | Mar 28 23:03 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHXkkhGDiCQ | Mar 28 23:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg4AjD1fUaw | Mar 28 23:30 |
| schestowitz | This is nice..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M21xFVwL8c | Mar 28 23:42 |
| schestowitz | On push-polling: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJic51MeVaU | Mar 29 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | Re: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/microsoft.html | Mar 29 07:53 |
| schestowitz | RMS looking for advice: | Mar 29 07:53 |
| schestowitz | > Criticism of Microsoft (in general, with exceptions) gives anyone who | Mar 29 07:53 |
| schestowitz | > tries it a lot of flak. It falls under the stereotype of "Microsoft | Mar 29 07:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 29 07:53 |
| schestowitz | > This is interesting, and worth publicizing. But do you suggest any | Mar 29 07:53 |
| schestowitz | > change in that page? | Mar 29 07:53 |
| schestowitz | I think there can be a parapgraph on Microsoft's rather unqiue position of wanting to hurt GNU/Linux. Most proprietary software companies are not in this position because they don't rely on proprietary software. | Mar 29 07:53 |
| schestowitz | That's what makes Microsoft so unique. Well, that and illegal activities (with convictions). | Mar 29 07:53 |
| schestowitz | Also see http://jonathanischwartz.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/good-artists-copy-great-artists-steal/ | Mar 29 07:53 |
| schestowitz | OMG Texas. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7bvsoQDw9g | Mar 29 11:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_2Ed1bqq3M | Mar 29 12:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdbD4MwhrVM | Mar 29 12:11 |
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| schestowitz | I old RMS: "> As a side note, I know you are aware of Microsoft's lobby for software patents in Europe as well as other continents (myself and others -- like FFII -- are working to expose this). The TomTom incident and the recent attempt of OIN to foil sales of Microsoft patents to patent trolls is just part of a broader picture and I know that you are aware that to Microsoft, GNU/Linux is no "spectator sport". Last week | Mar 29 16:37 |
| schestowitz | evidence surfaced which shows that EDGI still exists (Russian schools). EDGI was exposed by a chain of internal E-mails which show how Microsoft reacts very selectively to prevent migrations to GNU/Linux in a lot of nations (the Commission called this anti-competitive). Other leaked E-mails show that Microsoft created a taskforce to take GNU/Linux PCs off the shelves in Wal-Mart in 2006. There are over 9,000 other exhibits | Mar 29 16:37 |
| schestowitz | that could be mentioned." | Mar 29 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | Stupud Microsoft lobbyists again....... | Mar 29 17:29 |
| schestowitz | mail: | Mar 29 17:29 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 29 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Hi, | Mar 29 17:30 |
| schestowitz | It has come to my attention through former MP David Hammerstein that: | Mar 29 17:30 |
| schestowitz | "Kroes is about to eliminate "open standards" policy from EU digital agenda" | Mar 29 17:30 |
| schestowitz | "Kroes has been under intense lobbying pressure from Microsoft to get rid of interoperability and open source goals of EU" | Mar 29 17:30 |
| schestowitz | "Kroes wanted the EU institutions to practice what it preaches and migrate to open standards in its own software. Big backlash" | Mar 29 17:30 |
| schestowitz | "DG enterprise and "revolving door" EC officials from Microsoft torpedo Commissioner Kroes open proposals. Coup in process." | Mar 29 17:30 |
| schestowitz | I would like to ask and hopefully receive reassurance that the EIF retains its original goals of emphasising standards. I have been covering quite extensively the lobbying done to subvert Kroes' work and I wish to see it not suppressing the European software industry, of which I am a part. | Mar 29 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Best of wishes, | Mar 29 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Dr. Roy S. Schestowitz | Mar 29 17:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 29 17:30 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: nag them too | Mar 29 17:30 |
| schestowitz | CAB-TAJANI-WEBPAGE@ec.europa.eu | Mar 29 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Michel.Barnier@ec.europa.eu | Mar 29 17:30 |
| schestowitz | oana.boldis@ec.europa.eu | Mar 29 17:30 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/03/hitchens-pope-benedict-wiggle-room-rape-torture-children/ | Mar 29 17:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/26/student_jobs/ | Mar 29 18:47 |
| schestowitz | LMAO. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogeJQ5Huw74 | Mar 29 19:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techworld.com.au/article/340020/hosted_drupal_cms_planned_midyear?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1 | Mar 29 19:41 |
| schestowitz | PR bunnies again...:: | Mar 29 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > Roy, | Mar 29 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > FSMLabs, the premier provider of _enterprise real-time and timekeeping | Mar 29 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > technology for Linux systems_, will soon announce its new TimeKeeper 3.0 | Mar 29 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > product, which helps financial services and other regulated industries | Mar 29 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > deploy critical applications across clusters, among data centers and | Mar 29 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > over wide-area networks, while meeting requirements for accurate | Mar 29 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > time-stamping and data logging with high transaction volumes. | Mar 29 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > FSMLabs TimeKeeper is superbly suited to synchronizing applications | Mar 29 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > driven by market data feeds, enabling precise time stamping of globally | Mar 29 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > distributed transactions without changes in hardware or application | Mar 29 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > software. FSMLabs TimeKeeper technology originated as a solution for | Mar 29 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > military and aerospace applications and is rigorously tested and | Mar 29 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > validated, bringing the stringent quality assurance and performance of | Mar 29 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > that market. | Mar 29 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > FSM Labs TimeKeeper 3.0 is an end-to-end, pure software solution that | Mar 29 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > supports synchronization of system clocks to _within 10 microseconds | Mar 29 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > accuracy_ over standard networks. _That is 1000 times more accurate | Mar 29 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > than other solutions on the market today_. TimeKeeper has already been | Mar 29 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > deployed in beta at multiple financial services companies. The | Mar 29 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > TimeKeeper client-server architecture supports all types of systems that | Mar 29 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > today use NTP (Network Time Protocol). | Mar 29 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > I would be happy to set up a phone call for you to speak with _Victor | Mar 29 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > Yodaiken, CEO of FSMLabs_, in advance of the company’s announcement on | Mar 29 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > _Tuesday. April 12th_. Let me know your availability. | Mar 29 20:16 |
| schestowitz | RMS: | Mar 29 20:47 |
| schestowitz | > I think there can be a paragraph on Microsoft's rather unqiue position | Mar 29 20:47 |
| schestowitz | > of wanting to hurt GNU/Linux. Most proprietary software companies are | Mar 29 20:47 |
| schestowitz | > not in this position because they don't necessarily rely on proprietary | Mar 29 20:47 |
| schestowitz | > _operating systems_. | Mar 29 20:47 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 29 20:47 |
| schestowitz | > That is true, but it doesn't change all that much, since | Mar 29 20:47 |
| schestowitz | > proprietary applications are unjust too. | Mar 29 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I reckoned you would respond with this argument. | Mar 29 20:47 |
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| schestowitz | RMS sends me lots today :-) | Mar 30 00:57 |
| schestowitz | > I do not like Android all that much. I told Linus about the issues with | Mar 30 00:57 |
| schestowitz | > DRM in it, but he seems apathetic. | Mar 30 00:57 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 30 00:57 |
| schestowitz | > I would not expect Torvalds to care about freedom issues, but I do. | Mar 30 00:57 |
| schestowitz | > Can you show me an article that talks about the DRM in Android? | Mar 30 00:57 |
| schestowitz | Android DRM is used to register applications, AFAIK. See for example: | Mar 30 00:58 |
| schestowitz | "Android Market DRM busted < 12 hrs!" | Mar 30 00:58 |
| schestowitz | http://strazzere.com/blog/?tag=android-drm | Mar 30 00:58 |
| schestowitz | Mar 30 00:58 | |
| schestowitz | Full text: | Mar 30 00:58 |
| schestowitz | =========QUOTE============ | Mar 30 00:58 |
| schestowitz | > Android is a complete platform that includes modified Linux and no GNU | Mar 30 01:00 |
| schestowitz | > at all. Android is maintained by many developers from Google and I | Mar 30 01:00 |
| schestowitz | > believe it's now a patchset to Linux, which cannot be included in the | Mar 30 01:00 |
| schestowitz | > main branch anymore. | Mar 30 01:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 30 01:00 |
| schestowitz | > I cannot reconcile these two statements. First you say it is a | Mar 30 01:00 |
| schestowitz | > complete platform that includes a modified Linux. Second you say | Mar 30 01:00 |
| schestowitz | > it "is" a patchset to Linux. Is all of Android a modified version | Mar 30 01:00 |
| schestowitz | > of Linux? Or does it include something else as well? | Mar 30 01:00 |
| schestowitz | Google takes Linux, adds some changes to it, then combines it with Google's own software (remainder of the stack) which is mostly but not entirely Free software. It uses some other Free software projects to capitalise on reuse. | Mar 30 01:00 |
| schestowitz | > EDGI is a programme Microsoft has for countering adoption of GNU/Linux. | Mar 30 01:04 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 30 01:04 |
| schestowitz | > That is its purpose, but what does it DO? | Mar 30 01:04 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 30 01:04 |
| schestowitz | > It is shown in a fine level of detail in antitrust exhibits. | Mar 30 01:04 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 30 01:04 |
| schestowitz | > I don't need the fine level of detail, but a few sentences | Mar 30 01:04 |
| schestowitz | > of overview would enable me to understand your point. | Mar 30 01:04 |
| schestowitz | EDGI is mentioned in the Windows 7 Sins campaign. EDGI is an internal code name, like "Project Marshall" for MOU. | Mar 30 01:04 |
| schestowitz | The documents specifically mention “Microsoft Unlimited Potential Programme” which, to put it simply, is Microsoft’s anti-GNU/Linux programme. For education, Microsoft has a particular programme called “Education and Government Incentives program” (EDGI) for blocking GNU/Linux adoption where the problem (Microsoft calls it "Linux infestation") arises. | Mar 30 01:04 |
| schestowitz | > How about posting a statement saying you don't like the name, and you | Mar 30 01:06 |
| schestowitz | > never did, and saying why. It could continue asking people to please | Mar 30 01:07 |
| schestowitz | > support a change to a name that would better express the site's | Mar 30 01:07 |
| schestowitz | > mission and could make it more effective. | Mar 30 01:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 30 01:07 |
| schestowitz | > Then you could suggest some names you are considering, and ask people | Mar 30 01:07 |
| schestowitz | > which they like, and invite them to send you other suggestions. | Mar 30 01:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 30 01:07 |
| schestowitz | > Reading and considering those suggestions will take work, but you | Mar 30 01:07 |
| schestowitz | > might get a good suggestion, and the readers, having participated, | Mar 30 01:07 |
| schestowitz | > will get to like the idea. | Mar 30 01:07 |
| schestowitz | That seems worthwhile. I will start asking. | Mar 30 01:07 |
| schestowitz | > Unfortunately, our funding is down also. I think we are not | Mar 30 01:14 |
| schestowitz | > going to immediately hire a replacement for a person who just left, | Mar 30 01:14 |
| schestowitz | > until we see if our income covers one. | Mar 30 01:14 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 30 01:14 |
| schestowitz | > One other point is that your independence from us makes your | Mar 30 01:14 |
| schestowitz | > work more effective, while at the same time avoiding tying us to | Mar 30 01:14 |
| schestowitz | > anything you say. | Mar 30 01:14 |
| schestowitz | Some dishonest people have improperly attempted to draw a connection. I posted disclaimers clarifying that this is not the case at all. It's completely imaginary. | Mar 30 01:14 |
| schestowitz | Mar 30 01:14 | |
| schestowitz | > Where did your funds come from before? How much do you need? | Mar 30 01:14 |
| schestowitz | I never had any funds at all. I live in a state of minimalism and my expenses hardly exceed 600 pounds per month. | Mar 30 01:14 |
| schestowitz | > Have you asked the readers for donations? | Mar 30 01:14 |
| schestowitz | I haven't. I feel as though it would discredit and harm my message. People know that I do this voluntarily, so they can never say something about affiliation or motives. | Mar 30 01:14 |
| schestowitz | > Another possibility is to run ads. I think it is better not to have | Mar 30 01:14 |
| schestowitz | > ads, but ads might be better than shutting down. To avoid proprietary | Mar 30 01:14 |
| schestowitz | > software ads, you can use AdBard. | Mar 30 01:14 |
| schestowitz | I have used AdBard for about a year. It pays just enough for server hosting. | Mar 30 01:14 |
| schestowitz | [02:15] <schestowitz> The FSF might support us | Mar 30 02:21 |
| schestowitz | [02:15] <schestowitz> RMS just wants to rename | Mar 30 02:21 |
| schestowitz |  | Mar 30 02:21 |
| schestowitz | [02:20] <tessier_> Ah. Cool! | Mar 30 02:21 |
| schestowitz |  | Mar 30 02:23 |
| schestowitz | [02:22] <tessier_> techrights.org is available, surprisingly | Mar 30 02:23 |
| schestowitz | [03:20] <NZheretic> competitionwatch.org ?? | Mar 30 03:35 |
| schestowitz | [03:21] <NZheretic> competewatch.org | Mar 30 03:35 |
| schestowitz | [03:25] <schestowitz> We already chose one | Mar 30 03:35 |
| schestowitz | [03:25] <schestowitz> techrights | Mar 30 03:35 |
| schestowitz | [03:26] <NZheretic> Are you going to be focusing on technical freedoms or competition? | Mar 30 03:35 |
| schestowitz | [03:26] <schestowitz> Same issues | Mar 30 03:35 |
| schestowitz | [03:26] <NZheretic> Ok. | Mar 30 03:35 |
| schestowitz |  | Mar 30 03:36 |
| schestowitz | [03:29] <NZheretic> In that case you might want to also grab the domains "techwrongs" as well. | Mar 30 03:36 |
| schestowitz | [03:29] <schestowitz> AH... | Mar 30 03:36 |
| schestowitz | [03:29] <schestowitz> Yeah, well, the one with rights is vacant | Mar 30 03:36 |
| schestowitz | [03:29] <schestowitz> First we change just name, not domain | Mar 30 03:36 |
| schestowitz |  | Mar 30 04:36 |
| schestowitz | [04:14] <NZheretic> techrights.(org|net|com) - focusing on end owner's/user tech consumer rights and competition . techwrongs.(org|net|com) focusing on actions by Microsoft and other actions limiting your freedoms to use and compete. techchoices.(org|net|com) a site kept up to data "helping" consumers to pick more techright friendly options. | Mar 30 04:36 |
| schestowitz | RMS: | Mar 30 08:57 |
| schestowitz | > The documents specifically mention ?Microsoft Unlimited Potential | Mar 30 08:57 |
| schestowitz | > Programme? which, to put it simply, is Microsoft?s anti-GNU/Linux | Mar 30 08:57 |
| schestowitz | > programme. For education, Microsoft has a particular programme called | Mar 30 08:57 |
| schestowitz | > ?Education and Government Incentives program? (EDGI) for blocking | Mar 30 08:57 |
| schestowitz | > GNU/Linux adoption where the problem (Microsoft calls it "Linux | Mar 30 08:58 |
| schestowitz | > infestation") arises. | Mar 30 08:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 30 08:58 |
| schestowitz | > Now I understand what you are talking about. I know they offer discounts | Mar 30 08:58 |
| schestowitz | > to influential institutions. Do we have anything from them admitting | Mar 30 08:58 |
| schestowitz | > that this is meant for fighting with us? | Mar 30 08:58 |
| schestowitz | Yes, there are many E-mails from antitrust exhibits. | Mar 30 08:58 |
| schestowitz | > Some dishonest people have improperly attempted to draw a connection. I | Mar 30 08:59 |
| schestowitz | > posted disclaimers clarifying that this is not the case at all. It's | Mar 30 08:59 |
| schestowitz | > completely imaginary. | Mar 30 08:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 30 08:59 |
| schestowitz | > Exactly. Now, it's completely imaginary. But if we were to start | Mar 30 08:59 |
| schestowitz | > paying you, that would make it the truth. | Mar 30 08:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 30 08:59 |
| schestowitz | > > Have you asked the readers for donations? | Mar 30 08:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 30 08:59 |
| schestowitz | > I haven't. I feel as though it would discredit and harm my message. | Mar 30 08:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 30 08:59 |
| schestowitz | > I don't see why. | Mar 30 08:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 30 08:59 |
| schestowitz | > Greg Palast asks for donations to his investigative fund. | Mar 30 08:59 |
| schestowitz | > I sent a hundred dollars last winter. I am proud of contributing | Mar 30 09:00 |
| schestowitz | > but I am sure it gives me no influence over his stories. | Mar 30 09:00 |
| schestowitz | > It sounds like this is an Android/Linux system rather than a GNU/Linux | Mar 30 09:02 |
| schestowitz | > system. | Mar 30 09:02 |
| schestowitz | Yes, but some GNU/Linux systems would potentially be impacted by the lawsuit. | Mar 30 09:02 |
| schestowitz | Mar 30 09:02 | |
| schestowitz | > I would guess that it is very different from GNU/Linux for the user. | Mar 30 09:03 |
| schestowitz | > Is that so? (Have you used it?) | Mar 30 09:03 |
| schestowitz | Yes, a friend has it. This system is very different. | Mar 30 09:03 |
| schestowitz | > Android DRM is used to register applications, AFAIK. See for example: | Mar 30 09:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 30 09:03 |
| schestowitz | > I am not sure what that means. | Mar 30 09:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 30 09:03 |
| schestowitz | > I tried reading the article you included but I couldn't make sense of | Mar 30 09:03 |
| schestowitz | > the first paragraph. Then it asks "What is a protected application" | Mar 30 09:03 |
| schestowitz | > but seems to go on a wild goose chase rather than answer it. | Mar 30 09:03 |
| schestowitz | > So I gave up. | Mar 30 09:03 |
| schestowitz | It is "protected" from the user. Copy "protection". | Mar 30 09:03 |
| schestowitz | [10:35] <schestowitz> I was persuaded to rename after many E-mails with RMS. | Mar 30 10:36 |
| schestowitz | [10:35] <schestowitz> " | Mar 30 10:36 |
| schestowitz | [10:35] <schestowitz> With your kind advice, I have taken the first steps towards renaming the site. | Mar 30 10:36 |
| schestowitz | [10:35] <schestowitz> Have a look at http://boycottnovell.com/ (we might migrate to another domain). | Mar 30 10:36 |
| schestowitz | [10:35] <schestowitz> Images and graphics were donated by several contributors and the name | Mar 30 10:36 |
| schestowitz | [10:35] <schestowitz> we all decided on (after considering about 30 names) is TechRights. | Mar 30 10:36 |
| schestowitz | [10:36] <schestowitz> " | Mar 30 10:36 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 30 11:37 |
| MinceR | i hope you've already grabbed the domains | Mar 30 11:46 |
| schestowitz | Not yet | Mar 30 11:49 |
| schestowitz | I want to check with tessier how simple it would be to redirect | Mar 30 11:49 |
| schestowitz | We need a complete mapping of URLs | Mar 30 11:50 |
| schestowitz | And Google would probably not "like" it | Mar 30 11:50 |
| schestowitz | I knew people who tried it and got trashed by Google | Mar 30 11:50 |
| MinceR | any enemies of BN watching the site probably already know what the domains could be | Mar 30 11:54 |
| MinceR | so it would be advisable to act quickly :) | Mar 30 11:55 |
| schestowitz | I know | Mar 30 11:55 |
| schestowitz | OK, I'll at least register it | Mar 30 11:55 |
| schestowitz | Nic McVitie: Hello, how may I help you? | Mar 30 12:08 |
| schestowitz | Roy Schestowitz: Good morning. My name is Roy, I've been a customer with you for 6 years. I wish to do more business: .... | Mar 30 12:08 |
| schestowitz | Roy Schestowitz: But I have some quick question | Mar 30 12:08 |
| schestowitz | Roy Schestowitz: If I pass my domains from GoDaddy to you, how much time would it take? | Mar 30 12:08 |
| schestowitz | Roy Schestowitz: IIRC, there's some 3-month gap rule or some other ICANN rule like that | Mar 30 12:08 |
| schestowitz | Nic McVitie: .co.uk's can take a matter of minutes .com's take a day or there abouts. | Mar 30 12:08 |
| schestowitz | Roy Schestowitz: Ah :-) | Mar 30 12:08 |
| schestowitz | Roy Schestowitz: Another thing is, can I have domains register with you point to my name server? | Mar 30 12:08 |
| schestowitz | Nic McVitie: Sure, all you would need to do is tell us the nameservers and we can update that. | Mar 30 12:08 |
| schestowitz | Roy Schestowitz: Excellent. Maybe we can sort it out now? | Mar 30 12:08 |
| schestowitz | Roy Schestowitz: I suppose I need to tell you which domains or I can use an online form on your site? | Mar 30 12:08 |
| schestowitz | Nic McVitie: It would be best that you e-mail us at support@catalyst2.com that way we have a record of the changes. Is that OK? | Mar 30 12:08 |
| schestowitz | Roy Schestowitz: Sure :-) | Mar 30 12:08 |
| schestowitz | Roy Schestowitz: Thanks a lot. Have a great day | Mar 30 12:08 |
| schestowitz | OK, I ought to have it done soon. | Mar 30 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > Thanks Roy | Mar 30 13:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 30 13:53 |
| schestowitz | > Can you confirm the old full postal address and the new full postal address and I will go ahead with that. | Mar 30 13:53 |
| schestowitz | My personal site is registered under the work address: | Mar 30 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Manchester University | Mar 30 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Roy Schestowitz | Mar 30 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Sir Charles Groves Hall | Mar 30 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Manchester, Lancashire M15 5RR | Mar 30 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Iuron.com and othellomaster.com were registered under my current | Mar 30 13:53 |
| schestowitz | address, of of them with my work E-mail address (ISBE). I no longer | Mar 30 13:53 |
| schestowitz | register my sites with the University address, though. | Mar 30 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Almost done now | Mar 30 13:53 |
| schestowitz | BTW, the trolls abused the system in USENET to mass-report me to Google, which has just cleared the result of their abuse. They realised that got conned by trolls and retracted. :-) | Mar 30 20:25 |
| schestowitz | > > Now I understand what you are talking about. I know they offer discounts | Mar 31 00:34 |
| schestowitz | > > to influential institutions. Do we have anything from them admitting | Mar 31 00:34 |
| schestowitz | > > that this is meant for fighting with us? | Mar 31 00:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 31 00:34 |
| schestowitz | > Yes, there are many E-mails from antitrust exhibits. | Mar 31 00:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 31 00:35 |
| schestowitz | > It would be useful to set up a web page to make that case for the | Mar 31 00:35 |
| schestowitz | > public, referring to copies of these emails at the suitable spots to | Mar 31 00:35 |
| schestowitz | > back up the case. | Mar 31 00:35 |
| schestowitz | My site already has those. References to my site reached the front page of major sites like Slashdot, so many people are aware. | Mar 31 00:35 |
| schestowitz | > Where boycottnovell.com is too narrow, techrights is too broad. | Mar 31 00:38 |
| schestowitz | > Most people, on seeing the name techrights, will not think of free | Mar 31 00:38 |
| schestowitz | > software, or software at all. | Mar 31 00:38 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 31 00:38 |
| schestowitz | > Also, it doesn't visibly take any side on anything. I could easily | Mar 31 00:38 |
| schestowitz | > imagine a site set up by the MPAA and RIAA with that name. After all, | Mar 31 00:38 |
| schestowitz | > they call the restrictions of Digital Restrictions Management | Mar 31 00:38 |
| schestowitz | > "rights"! | Mar 31 00:38 |
| schestowitz | The content of the site -- not its name -- ought to explain the stance without evoking prejudice, I think. | Mar 31 00:38 |
| schestowitz | > Yes, but some GNU/Linux systems would potentially be impacted by the | Mar 31 00:41 |
| schestowitz | > lawsuit. | Mar 31 00:41 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 31 00:41 |
| schestowitz | > In principle, it could be so. Do you know what operations in | Mar 31 00:41 |
| schestowitz | > GNU/Linux systems might be affected by these patents? | Mar 31 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Here is why Chrome OS (GNU/Linux) may be impacted: | Mar 31 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Mar 31 00:41 | |
| schestowitz | http://jkontherun.com/2010/03/04/apple-vs-htc-its-about-chrome/ | Mar 31 00:41 |
| schestowitz | [01:42] <Eruaran_> I used one of those logo sites so I'm not sure if anyone will ever claim copyright... I will change the original one a bit to safeguard against that | Mar 31 01:44 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmm... :-| | Mar 31 01:44 |
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| schestowitz | RMS: | Mar 31 20:05 |
| schestowitz | > My site already has those. References to my site reached the front page | Mar 31 20:05 |
| schestowitz | > of major sites like Slashdot, so many people are aware. | Mar 31 20:05 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 31 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > Good. Could you tell me the principle URL for this whole topic? | Mar 31 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > I can give you feedback and I can link to it too. | Mar 31 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Based on my correspondence with you, I have just typed up an introduction at: | Mar 31 20:06 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/EDGI | Mar 31 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > > Where boycottnovell.com is too narrow, techrights is too broad. | Mar 31 20:17 |
| schestowitz | > > Most people, on seeing the name techrights, will not think of free | Mar 31 20:17 |
| schestowitz | > > software, or software at all. | Mar 31 20:17 |
| schestowitz | > > | Mar 31 20:17 |
| schestowitz | > > Also, it doesn't visibly take any side on anything. I could easily | Mar 31 20:17 |
| schestowitz | > > imagine a site set up by the MPAA and RIAA with that name. After all, | Mar 31 20:17 |
| schestowitz | > > they call the restrictions of Digital Restrictions Management | Mar 31 20:17 |
| schestowitz | > > "rights"! | Mar 31 20:17 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 31 20:17 |
| schestowitz | > The content of the site -- not its name -- ought to explain the stance | Mar 31 20:17 |
| schestowitz | > without evoking prejudice, I think. | Mar 31 20:17 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 31 20:17 |
| schestowitz | > I see several ways to interpret that sentence, so I am confused. | Mar 31 20:17 |
| schestowitz | To use an analogy from a Chinese reader, if you show a chicken the kitchen knife, then it runs away. That's why "Boycott Novell" led readers to realising our bias in advance. It made us less effective. "Boycott Novell" is now listed as one goal (among several) of the site. | Mar 31 20:17 |
| schestowitz | > I think that the site name should set the spirit of what you're doing, | Mar 31 20:19 |
| schestowitz | > as much as feasible given the constraints of what will fit in a usable | Mar 31 20:19 |
| schestowitz | > name. | Mar 31 20:19 |
| schestowitz | While discussing this we brought up "watcher", "watch", and "monitor". We were close to settling on those, but then we shifted to something broader, by choice. The site's daily links cover issues of ethics (similar to the ones listed in Stallman.org), so some readers suggested a very broad scope with more focused goals that are subsets (like abolishing software patents). We had registered a new domain before we got a chance to | Mar 31 20:20 |
| schestowitz | hear from you. | Mar 31 20:20 |
| schestowitz | > Terms like "sentry", "radar", "watchtower", "early warning" occur to | Mar 31 20:20 |
| schestowitz | > me to describe the function of what you do. For what you do it for, | Mar 31 20:20 |
| schestowitz | > we could focus either on those defended or on the attackers. Words | Mar 31 20:20 |
| schestowitz | > that occur to me include "free software", "GNU/Linux", "free world", | Mar 31 20:20 |
| schestowitz | > "freedom", "tech user". | Mar 31 20:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 31 20:20 |
| schestowitz | > Combinations I like include "free software sentry" and "GNU/Linux | Mar 31 20:20 |
| schestowitz | > Watchtower". | Mar 31 20:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 31 20:20 |
| schestowitz | > Some political or religious group had, or has, a newspaper called the | Mar 31 20:20 |
| schestowitz | > Watchtower. I don't recall who. If it was a right-wing political | Mar 31 20:20 |
| schestowitz | > group and if it has been forgotten for long enough, the comparison | Mar 31 20:20 |
| schestowitz | > might be useful. Otherwise it could be a reason to avoid "watchtower". | Mar 31 20:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 31 20:20 |
| schestowitz | > So I am led to this: | Mar 31 20:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 31 20:20 |
| schestowitz | > Free Software Sentry | Mar 31 20:20 |
| schestowitz | > Watching and reporting our adversaries maneuvers | Mar 31 20:20 |
| schestowitz | I have just changed the site's tagline to that. It will appear at the top of all 10,000+ pages. | Mar 31 20:20 |
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