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schestowitz[01:30] <tessier> I just realized: Since we went to the proxy the anti-DDoS iptables rules I have in place won't work since all of the connections come from the proxy now. In fact, I'm surprised the proxy itself didn't get blocked by those rules at some point.Jul 01 01:55
schestowitz[01:31] <schestowitz> The proxy has worked very well in general; the uptime and service has been excellent since the hardware issue was resolved; I see no reasons for DDOSJul 01 01:55
schestowitz[01:32] <schestowitz> In fact, there has been no reason for aggravation for a long time; I don't associate myself with inflammatory people like "ender" and the bad crowd they bringJul 01 01:55
schestowitz[01:35] <tessier> coolJul 01 01:55
schestowitz[01:36] <schestowitz> it's crowd like "Flatfish" and "Lefty" you want nothing to do withJul 01 01:55
schestowitz[01:36] <schestowitz> Serial psychopathic slanderersJul 01 01:55
schestowitz[01:37] <schestowitz> Lefty got ender firedJul 01 01:55
schestowitz[01:37] <schestowitz> Called his boss and told him lies, in case you haven't see the storyJul 01 01:55
schestowitz[01:37] <schestowitz> *seenJul 01 01:55
schestowitz[01:37] <schestowitz> I remember when Gary 'flatfish' was mass-mailing profs in my universityJul 01 01:55
schestowitz[01:38] <schestowitz> Promoting Linux is 'dangerous business'\Jul 01 01:55
schestowitz[01:41] <schestowitz> Their general method that I've come to see over the years is portraying advocates as dangerous radicals. They also do this to "[H]omer" from COLA. "Lefty" set up a whole Web site, BoycottBoycottNovell to attack me. He has like TWENTY other sites like that.Jul 01 01:55
schestowitz[01:43] <tessier> No, I hadn't seen that story. Horrible.Jul 01 01:56
schestowitz[01:43] <schestowitz> Lefty called the employer and accused him of using drugsJul 01 01:56
schestowitz[01:43] <schestowitz> The boss didn't find anything after searching but fired him anywayJul 01 01:56
schestowitzJul 01 01:56
schestowitz[01:44] <tessier> It is rare that online disputes have real world ramifications.Jul 01 01:56
schestowitz[01:48] <schestowitz> It happened in COLA too, before I was even on USENETJul 01 01:56
schestowitz[01:48] <tessier> I once had someone contact my employer but they laughed it off.Jul 01 01:56
schestowitz[01:48] <schestowitz> Someone called someone's bossJul 01 01:56
schestowitz[01:49] <schestowitz> Zealots about proprietary softwareJul 01 01:56
schestowitzoiaohm: don't speak with the "Lefty" trollJul 01 01:56
schestowitzSome people from the main IRC channel make this mistakeJul 01 01:56
schestowitzI know you don't, but anyway, we should not mention the trolls either (that's what they want)Jul 01 01:56
oiaohmHe don't speak to me schestowitzJul 06 02:37
oiaohmYou are not to know but he tried tolling in winehq-social a long time ago ie that wine was illegal trolling.   Ever since he refuses to talk to me.  End result was a log that wine used on there mailing list to prove how legal wine as that even a troll could not find a whole.Jul 06 02:39
oiaohmOne way to get rid of lefty is trap him that way.Jul 06 02:40
schestowitzcan you find the thread?Jul 06 07:03
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/39018398 "The guy is bashing Puppy. How ignorant. Puppy helps me a lot in a daily basis. Make old computers work."Jul 06 07:35
schestowitzHm.... just attacking anyone critical of Linux?Jul 06 07:35
*MinceR dislikes the nameJul 06 07:46
*MinceR hates dogsJul 06 07:46
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oiaohmschestowitz: Its in the time frame wine did not keep good mailing list records.Jul 06 13:19
oiaohmBut I know lefty he will screw up again.Jul 06 13:21
schestowitzThanksJul 06 13:41
schestowitzThat's valuable to knowJul 06 13:41
schestowitzHe has two decades of abusing FOSS projects, then bullying people who dissent against himJul 06 13:41
schestowitzIn case you don't know, he blew on me after he had threatened to sue someone, who in turn threw the pshycho at meJul 06 13:42
schestowitzSince then I saw him threatening at least 5 peopleJul 06 13:42
schestowitzhe's a nutter with a lawyer dadJul 06 13:42
MinceRhttp://rofl.wheresthebeef.co.uk/areyougay.jpgJul 06 13:43
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schestowitzMaybe he was cheerfulJul 06 13:57
oiaohmOver the 2 decades there are many people like me he avoids.Jul 06 13:57
schestowitzHe picks on strong /free/ proponentJul 06 13:58
schestowitzStrong in the intensity senseJul 06 13:58
schestowitzLike RMSJul 06 13:58
schestowitzNot the Apple (exploiter) typeJul 06 13:58
schestowitzapple.com/opensource :-)Jul 06 13:58
schestowitzBunch of bloody liarsJul 06 13:58
oiaohmI have not seen him touch RMS recently.Jul 06 14:02
schestowitzHe hardly touched anyone, except BrandonJul 06 14:05
schestowitzIt's like Muslims and drawingsJul 06 14:06
schestowitzHe basically bullies people until they are reluctant to even respond to himJul 06 14:06
schestowitzLike beheading people people who draw MohammedJul 06 14:06
schestowitzThat's how he engages in suppressing/censoring opposition to his agendaJul 06 14:06
oiaohmWhat he complained about with me is that at the time I was highly dyslexic.Jul 06 14:08
oiaohmSo my writing was hell.Jul 06 14:08
oiaohmBasically we tag teamed him.Jul 06 14:08
oiaohmHe is not a person for numbers he loves 1 on 1Jul 06 14:08
oiaohmNot 20 on 1.Jul 06 14:08
oiaohmYes I have too much on his profile.Jul 06 14:09
oiaohmI don't think you have seen me bad with dyslexic its also the reason why I want to leave that mail message in the past.Jul 06 14:09
oiaohmBut the information on his weaknesses are useful.Jul 06 14:10
oiaohmSimple rule don't take lefty on alone.   If he tries to take you on alone get backup.Jul 06 14:13
schestowitzPeople generally know I chose to ignore himJul 06 14:34
schestowitzHe wasted so much of my timeJul 06 14:34
oiaohmNote setup takes planning.Jul 06 14:36
oiaohmignore or trap only two methods that work against him.Jul 06 14:37
oiaohmIf you are alone ignore is the right option.Jul 06 14:38
oiaohmIf it was the case of winehq-social were I appeared to be alone but was able to call in support from all over the place its time to play trap on him.Jul 06 14:39
oiaohmIe if you get a chance to play trap don't miss it schestowitz after that he does not talk to you.  He ignores you.Jul 06 14:39
schestowitzThe guy is an idiotJul 06 15:12
schestowitzHe's an underqualified apple rep who trolls projects and gave nothing to FOSSJul 06 15:12
schestowitzHis highest credential is a college degree in theatre from a no-name collegeJul 06 15:13
schestowitzHe only knows how to bully and aggravateJul 06 15:13
schestowitzAnyway, GNOME drove him offJul 06 15:13
schestowitzHe's shunned by manyJul 06 15:13
schestowitzACCESS it outJul 06 15:13
schestowitzThey knew he wounded GNOMEJul 06 15:14
MinceRdo we need to syndicate muslim propaganda?Jul 06 15:35
MinceR(from someone who apparently still believes that we're in a race to multiply despite the planet being massively overpopulated and overtaxed by human presence)Jul 06 15:36
schestowitzWe need more birth for more indoctrinated children :-)Jul 06 15:38
schestowitzIt's the only way for Islam to spread. ApostasyJul 06 15:39
schestowitzNot enough people actually converting _to_ it, so you spawn themJul 06 15:39
MinceRthen they need some birth control forced on them before they suffocate the planet in their filthy spawn.Jul 06 15:40
MinceRretroactive birth control works too.Jul 06 15:40
MinceR(of course it helped if we didn't pay people to make babies)Jul 06 15:40
schestowitzReligions that reproduce thriveJul 06 15:41
schestowitzConservatives die outJul 06 15:41
schestowitzPower to the UTERUS! :-)Jul 06 15:41
MinceRand so do rare plants and animals.Jul 06 15:42
MinceR(and reason)Jul 06 15:42
MinceRand so the clueless muslim provides support for my argument. :>Jul 06 15:47
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schestowitzhttp://tinyogg.com/watch/J9ieO/Jul 06 17:13
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schestowitzSpreading democracy: http://tinyogg.com/watch/0wBjb/Jul 06 17:25
phIRCe-localTitle: TinyOgg - Watch: Apocalypse Now..Ride Of The Valkyries .::. Size~: 5.04 KBJul 06 17:25
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MinceRreddit seems to be blocking my postsJul 06 18:29
MinceRnow it magically appearedJul 06 18:33
schestowitzMaybe cacheJul 06 18:38
schestowitzHmmm... some company that's secretive wants to interview me in LondonJul 06 18:39
schestowitzI don't know about itJul 06 18:39
schestowitzI haven't programmed in agesJul 06 18:39
schestowitzHave you?Jul 06 18:39
schestowitzI don't know how long it may take to get back in the grooveJul 06 18:39
MinceRall my jobs so far were mostly programmingJul 06 18:40
schestowitzEven current?Jul 06 19:11
schestowitzI forget syntaxJul 06 19:11
MinceRyesJul 06 19:13
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schestowitzhere comes the police: http://identi.ca/conversation/38900777#notice-39146700Jul 06 19:54
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schestowitz"Worse than what? If you find inaccuracies, please point them out. IIRC, @maco told me off for saying CORRECTLY that Dell changed page"Jul 06 19:54
schestowitzI pointed out _BEFORE ANYONE ELSE_ that Dell had changed the pageJul 06 19:54
schestowitzAnd got people claiming I was lyingJul 06 19:54
schestowitzWhen it was them who liedJul 06 19:54
schestowitzPart of the smear campaigns against me...Jul 06 19:54
schestowitzEffect of smears: http://identi.ca/conversation/38900777#notice-39148851Jul 06 20:12
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schestowitzNot specific detailsJul 06 20:12
schestowitzJust vague things because of the Novell lackeys and ACCESS typesJul 06 20:12
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MinceR(flash) (video) (audio) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8Jul 06 21:22
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube- Sprinkler Rainbow Conspiracy .::. Size~: 93.9 KBJul 06 21:22
schestowitzI think someone may be DDOSing the siteJul 06 21:36
schestowitzAnd it takes down apacheJul 06 21:36
schestowitzthe access troll started M.A.D. with enderJul 06 22:00
schestowitzI reckon the troll is already looking for another job, before ACCESS lays offJul 06 22:00
schestowitzIt would be best if something like Apple absorbed itJul 06 22:00
schestowitzTake it away from FOSS worldJul 06 22:00
schestowitzI reckon he harmed the FSF's budgetJul 06 22:00
schestowitzHe smeared them so much that people started to develop another perceptionJul 06 22:01
schestowitzAnd then they didn't donate as much (Richard told me)Jul 06 22:01
schestowitzSo the perp is a real PITA to freedomJul 06 22:01
schestowitz"many thanks to @schestowitz for this (2009) link about gnome http://lwn.net/Articles/366559/ and especially for pointing out the response from bruce perens, osi founder"Jul 06 22:04
schestowitz:-)Jul 06 22:05
phIRCe-localTitle: GNOME ponders its code of conduct [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 45.52 KBJul 06 22:05
MinceRQ: Where do you find a dog with no legs?Jul 06 22:05
MinceRA: Right where you left himJul 06 22:05
MinceRQ: What do you call a man with no arms and no legs stuck to the wall?Jul 06 22:08
MinceRA: Art.Jul 06 22:08
MinceRif crApple got into the vehicle business, what would their product be?Jul 06 22:11
MinceRiVan the Terrible.Jul 06 22:11
MinceRhttp://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/ckwh4/reddit_i_think_its_about_time_we_had_another/Jul 06 22:12
phIRCe-localTitle: Reddit, I think its about time we had another clean jokes marathon. Heres my favourite... : funny .::. Size~: 574.09 KBJul 06 22:12
schestowitzHahahaJul 06 22:25
schestowitzhttp://www.reddit.com/user/IvanTheTolerable?Jul 06 22:25
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schestowitzFrom the page aboveJul 06 22:25
MinceR:DJul 06 22:25
MinceRdidn't notice that oneJul 06 22:26
schestowitzIt stoof outJul 06 22:26
schestowitzI did search page for 'ivan'Jul 06 22:26
schestowitz*toodJul 06 22:26
schestowitzFF does it nicelyJul 06 22:26
schestowitzsearch  as you start typingJul 06 22:26
schestowitzaccessibility featureJul 06 22:26
MinceRafter '/'?Jul 06 22:28
schestowitz"@schestowitz  i'd love to know/understand how close esr and torvalds are, since they seem to be the dominant influence on "open source" (they were for me, when i was on that side of things) - open source without bruce perens is just totally shit"Jul 06 22:28
schestowitz@openuniverse  but now we have @webmink , who is excellentJul 06 22:28
schestowitzMinceR: noJul 06 22:28
schestowitzThere's an option in FirefoxJul 06 22:29
schestowitzSince old versionsJul 06 22:29
schestowitzI use ALT+TABJul 06 22:29
MinceRlolJul 06 22:29
schestowitzThen tap to highlight what I needJul 06 22:29
schestowitzENTERJul 06 22:29
schestowitzVeyr fastJul 06 22:29
schestowitzLittle mousingJul 06 22:29
schestowitz" Brandon got fired because of this story." -> one victim among manyJul 07 00:58
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/38915912#notice-39181972Jul 07 00:58
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schestowitzWTH? http://tinyogg.com/watch/nqOu7/Jul 07 01:02
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/38928684#notice-39201977 "yeah, the webm thing was too weird- i still feel like i must have read that wrong"Jul 07 07:44
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schestowitzhttp://280.status.net/notice/197658 "but seriously, i seem to give up on people RIGHT BEFORE they start attacking you/your site for the most insignificant shit imaginable, it's weird"Jul 07 07:44
phIRCe-localTitle: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Friday, 02-Jul-10 02:57:59 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 7.81 KBJul 07 07:44
schestowitzOh boy...Jul 07 08:40
schestowitzHere goes the creationist again...Jul 07 08:40
schestowitz[08:18] [Notice] -BNtwitter to #boycottnovell- [omar_s_hafez] "Evolution is a fairy tale for grown-ups.  This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science.  It is useless." ~Prof. BounoureJul 07 08:40
schestowitzTurns out the heavy load was caused partly by being Slashdot 2 days ago (I didn't see it until this morning)Jul 07 09:13
MinceRtime to take the towelhead off the channel :>Jul 07 09:54
schestowitzNo, he doesn't mean to be maliciousJul 07 10:03
MinceRdoesn't matterJul 07 10:04
MinceRhe spreads religious brainwashingJul 07 10:04
schestowitz"heh, new "ibad" stickers, haven't seen those yet" I hadn't even noticed those... http://identi.ca/conversation/38999748#notice-39246893Jul 07 10:04
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schestowitz*LOL*Jul 07 10:04
schestowitzFSF stickers... anti Vista, anti hypePadJul 07 10:04
schestowitzThey should be careful not to be seen as too negativeJul 07 10:05
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/attachment/20234205Jul 07 10:05
phIRCe-localTitle: http://file.status.net/identica/xxtjaxx-20100701T130309-8nnc3xe.jpeg - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.54 KBJul 07 10:05
schestowitzCache issues.... http://identi.ca/conversation/39002142#notice-39250232Jul 07 10:09
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schestowitzTurns out that interview is for some Goldman Sachs boosters and they sent me a DOCX!!!!!!11Jul 07 10:49
schestowitz*LOL* I'll go there just for the free trip to London :-)Jul 07 10:49
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1M2RJoHfj4Jul 02 12:38
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schestowitzI've reread the documents and am encouraged to find that they test for concepts/principles, not syntax. That'll make it easier for me.Jul 02 13:55
schestowitzI can't believe I actually bother with thisJul 02 13:55
schestowitzI'm gonna be in London for 5 days, so lots of spare time anywayJul 02 13:55
schestowitzRe: no high-definition video on a Mac ?Jul 02 13:58
schestowitz> Shurly some mistake, what is the true state of hi-def on the Mac.Jul 02 13:58
schestowitz>Jul 02 13:58
schestowitz> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/jul/01/apple-jobs-blu-ray-rejectionJul 02 13:58
schestowitzHi,Jul 02 13:58
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schestowitzI care not so much about Macs in general (Groklaw chooses to defend Apple for reasons I cannot understand). To me, choosing to defend Apple from Microsoft is like choosing to defend Stalin from Hitler [no intention to equate the severity in this analogy].Jul 02 13:58
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schestowitzDmanJul 02 14:59
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schestowitzhttp://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_WALL_STREET?SITE=CAANG&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULTJul 02 18:25
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schestowitz"Stocks fall as jobs report adds to economic fears "Jul 02 18:25
schestowitzDamn. Not *that* JobsJul 02 18:26
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schestowitz"Thanks, Tandy. I've updated the post. I wish you well in your future endeavours and I hope you understand my position wrt Microsoft (it's nothing personal)."Jul 02 19:42
schestowitzThis dude who corresponds with me is a friend of BillGJul 02 19:42
schestowitzOne of the first employees of Microsoft...Jul 02 19:42
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schestowitzFlorian Mueller:Jul 02 20:57
schestowitz> Hi Roy,Jul 02 20:58
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schestowitz> In connection with the envisioned legislative initiative forJul 02 20:58
schestowitz> interoperability, you can't blame me or anyone else for usingJul 02 20:58
schestowitz> "interoperability" as a way of opposing the notion of "open standards."Jul 02 20:58
schestowitz>Jul 02 20:58
schestowitz>Jul 02 20:58
schestowitz>Jul 02 20:58
schestowitz> Please take into account that the consortium which supported theJul 02 20:58
schestowitz> European Commission's proceedings against Microsoft is named EuropeanJul 02 20:58
schestowitz> Committee for Interoperable Systems (ECIS, www.ecis.eu).Jul 02 20:58
schestowitz>Jul 02 20:58
schestowitz>Jul 02 20:58
schestowitz>Jul 02 20:58
schestowitz> Neelie Kroes's initiative couldn't be called an "open standards"Jul 02 20:58
schestowitz> initiative based on how the term is defined by its advocates. It simplyJul 02 20:58
schestowitz> wouldn't be factually correct for two reasons: One, it won't be anJul 02 20:58
schestowitz> initiative to provide royalty-free access because that wouldn't beJul 02 20:58
schestowitz> possible (neither under EU law nor under the national constitutions ofJul 02 20:58
schestowitz> most if not all of the 27 EU Member States). I mentioned that on thisJul 02 20:58
schestowitz> page:Jul 02 20:58
schestowitz> http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2010/07/interoperability-foss-related.htmlJul 02 20:58
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schestowitz> Two, many consider single-vendor standards not to be open, but what Mrs.Jul 02 20:58
schestowitz> Kroes wants to do is require all significant market players to "licenseJul 02 20:58
schestowitz> interoperability information", as opposed to forcing them to adoptJul 02 20:58
schestowitz> multi-vendor standards.Jul 02 20:58
schestowitz>Jul 02 20:58
schestowitz>Jul 02 20:58
schestowitz>Jul 02 20:58
schestowitz> I nevertheless believe that the initiative will be very helpful,Jul 02 20:58
schestowitz> especially since all FOSS offerings (if they are truly FOSS) willJul 02 20:58
schestowitz> certainly meet whatever requirements the new law defines, and it will beJul 02 20:58
schestowitz> one law for all vendors, also including Microsoft.Jul 02 20:58
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx_DnpufGjsJul 02 21:48
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schestowitz:-DJul 02 21:48
schestowitzCute catJul 02 21:48
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/Ryo/statuses/17567378141 "Good. At least some of the customers are not stupid iHype-Zombies and have a brain at last."Jul 02 21:52
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schestowitz"Who organised the protest in your picture?" http://identi.ca/conversation/39105843#notice-39355453Jul 02 23:48
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schestowitzThis is interesting: http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/07/02/0320235/In-UK-Computer-Science-Graduates-the-Least-EmployableJul 03 07:06
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schestowitzhttp://280.status.net/notice/201582 ""one day you're using a distro you really like, and the next it's jumped on some bandwagon to nowhere- fully free distros are less susceptible to this, because they don't need (or have) the gimmicks people use to tempt you into using their non-free code""Jul 03 07:28
phIRCe-localTitle: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Saturday, 03-Jul-10 06:16:41 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 8.14 KBJul 03 07:28
schestowitz"Is there any further news about the Novell's attempt to sell itself? Last news I saw was over a month ago. http://forums.opensuse.org/english/community/general-chit-chat/439075-novell-sale.html " http://280.status.net/notice/201589Jul 03 07:29
phIRCe-localTitle:  Novell for Sale? .::. Size~: 65.65 KBJul 03 07:29
phIRCe-localTitle: حالة Walt  Hucks (lnxwalt280) في يوم Saturday, 03-Jul-10 06:21:46 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 8.61 KBJul 03 07:29
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schestowitz"I think many countries just use Free Software as a threat to make Microsoft give their stuff to them cheaper. Its sad." > that's not always the case, e.g. Kerala, Munich (Ballmer did try to bribe them out of it, reportedly) http://identi.ca/conversation/39105843#notice-39406903Jul 03 08:05
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schestowitzNice... http://tinyogg.com/watch/T6xGX/Jul 03 08:58
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schestowitzUpside down: http://tinyogg.com/watch/0FsAl/Jul 03 08:59
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/39195971#notice-39445497 "Call of Duty 4 could be ported to !Linux too…"Jul 03 18:58
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schestowitzMilitary propagandaJul 03 18:58
schestowitzprevious versions were available for itJul 03 18:59
schestowitz"i was wondering yesterday evening if anyone would be equating independence with free software- we should definitely reject the microsof-T-tax, and establish and uphold bill of user's rights! http://www.fsf.org/about/what-is-free-software"Jul 03 19:00
phIRCe-localTitle: What is free software and why is it so important for society? &mdash; Free Software Foundation &mdash; working together for free software .::. Size~: 30.86 KBJul 03 19:00
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/39484545 "cisco is retarded"Jul 03 19:01
phIRCe-localTitle: Mag Neito (magneito)'s status on Saturday, 03-Jul-10 17:20:44 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.11 KBJul 03 19:01
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/ghabuntu/statuses/17634712883 ""The difference between MS and #Apple is, when MS screws up there is almost nobody who voluntarily defends it, just hired agents" Techrights"Jul 03 19:02
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schestowitz"Mono Developer" vJul 03 19:06
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/magneitoJul 03 19:06
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/38411608#notice-39485950Jul 03 19:06
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schestowitzStup9id trollsJul 03 19:06
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schestowitzOh, so maybe *THIS* is what messed up my feeds: http://www.pcworld.com/article/200220/google_revamps_news_page.htmlJul 04 11:25
phIRCe-localTitle: Google Revamps News Page - PCWorld .::. Size~: 63.23 KBJul 04 11:25
schestowitzI wasted hours on thisJul 04 11:25
schestowitzMy feeds are still a mess (Google News)Jul 04 11:25
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/39345360#notice-39596795 "I thought some feeds were taking a long time but I haven't been desk bound much these last few days to notice why."Jul 04 12:44
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schestowitz the thing is, redirects were brokenJul 04 12:44
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schestowitzNice. Red Hat people read us... http://identi.ca/conversation/39321952#notice-39637945 "interesting but the article erroneously calls TrueCrypt "open source"" @fontana yeah, see what your colleague wrote to them: http://www.happyassassin.net/2008/08/06/open-letter-to-the-developers-of-truecrypt/Jul 04 18:37
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phIRCe-localTitle: AdamW on Linux and more  » Blog Archive   » Open letter to the developers of TrueCrypt .::. Size~: 27.09 KBJul 04 18:37
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/200172/amazons_site_experiences_lengthy_problems_on_tuesday.html?tk=rss_newsJul 04 18:40
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schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/30/german_ringtone/Jul 04 18:58
phIRCe-localTitle: German arrested for Adolf Hitler ringtone • The Register .::. Size~: 26.62 KBJul 04 18:58
schestowitzSuppression of speech IMHOJul 04 18:58
schestowitzNo matter how objectionableJul 04 18:59
MinceR211311 < schestowitz> I reckon some pedophiles (and Michael Jackson) are just into children, regardless of sexJul 04 20:17
MinceRthey all scream honestly. :>Jul 04 20:17
schestowitzHehJul 04 20:18
schestowitzMichael Jackson got a 'free ticket'Jul 04 20:18
schestowitzRich people get away with anythingJul 04 20:18
schestowitzHe bribed the familyJul 04 20:19
schestowitz[20:40] <narendra> nsisodiya == narendra sisodiya == eduvidJul 04 20:41
MinceRthey all scream honestly. :>Jul 04 21:38
MinceRoopsJul 04 21:38
MinceRwtf "eduvid"?Jul 04 21:38
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSLkQnCurgs&feature=digestJul 04 22:27
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube- Christianity Debate .::. Size~: 112.31 KBJul 04 22:27
schestowitzMinceR: he make edu videos about FOSSJul 04 22:27
schestowitz*LOL* great new video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pwwvBygoFA&feature=digestJul 04 22:38
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube- If Atheists Acted Religious .::. Size~: 113.14 KBJul 04 22:39
schestowitzMorgan Freeman does a good new series:Jul 04 22:47
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs7Ss6hPFeI&feature=digestJul 04 22:47
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube- Through the Wormhole: Creating Life .::. Size~: 97.18 KBJul 04 22:47
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9mG13F-4Go&feature=digestJul 04 22:47
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube- Through the Wormhole: DNA .::. Size~: 96.88 KBJul 04 22:47
schestowitzThey explain it very clearly, like Cosmos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pLxs1PrYdM&feature=digestJul 04 22:51
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube- Through the Wormhole: Life on Earth .::. Size~: 91.63 KBJul 04 22:51
schestowitzMy cousin keeps making some stupid videos... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdQL1Dc3XsI&feature=digestJul 04 23:22
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MinceRicJul 04 23:29
MinceR(flash) (video) (audio) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PiZSFIVFiU&feature=relatedJul 05 00:17
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schestowitzScienceChannel has good vidsJul 05 00:24
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtKNH2Y2OJMJul 05 00:24
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MinceR(flash) (video) (audio) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWiBt-pqp0E&feature=relatedJul 05 00:25
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube- YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS - George Carlin .::. Size~: 100.13 KBJul 05 00:25
schestowitzClassicJul 05 00:33
MinceRindeedJul 05 00:33
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schestowitzQUOTE:Jul 05 10:29
schestowitz1) Florian Müller has thrown a slow pitch for you:Jul 05 10:29
schestowitz    "Microsoft doesn’t have a hypocrisy problem and itJul 05 10:29
schestowitz    doesn’t use patents to shut out competition (so far at least"Jul 05 10:29
schestowitzThat is one of M$ talking points.  It is also quite wrong, but I do not have any links handy.  There have been quite a few instances where M$ has used software patents to try to shut out competition.Jul 05 10:29
schestowitz2) That 'Oracle has a problem with Java' meme is questionable and may be the continuation of M$ anti-Java FUD from the 1990's.Jul 05 10:29
schestowitz /UNQUOTEJul 05 10:29
schestowitzhttp://280.status.net/notice/208641 "you should probably read this (even if the lack of background means you don't follow) and if you're not subscribed to @schestowitz, you're definitely missing out" :-)Jul 05 11:35
phIRCe-localTitle: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Monday, 05-Jul-10 10:06:51 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 7.97 KBJul 05 11:35
schestowitzhttp://280.status.net/notice/208651 ""open source at microsoft?" gnome? but also this? who is jason melton? #fascinating"Jul 05 11:36
phIRCe-localTitle: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Monday, 05-Jul-10 10:13:58 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 7.85 KBJul 05 11:36
schestowitzhe used to hand out in our channelJul 05 11:36
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schestowitz"The only high-profile international site using SIlverlight I know of is the Italian RAI TV... (sucks)"Jul 05 15:06
schestowitz@fcassia yes, that's the only one I know ofJul 05 15:06
schestowitz:=)Jul 05 15:06
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schestowitzDamn.Jul 05 18:58
schestowitzIf the interview in London requires me writing in programs in Java and C++, that may be an issue. I've spent the past 7 years specialising and excelling at MATLAB (even being ranked first in the world for contributions in 2005).Jul 05 18:58
schestowitzI'm bailingJul 05 18:58
MinceRisn't wolfram alpha a minion of m$ now?Jul 05 20:29
MinceRiirc bing-o has it built inJul 05 20:30
schestowitzI thought so too, but a friend tells me to advocate themJul 05 21:35
schestowitzMicrosoft just uses themJul 05 21:36
schestowitzThey don't work /under/ MicrosoftJul 05 21:36
MinceRi doubt that's even possibleJul 05 21:37
schestowitzI know....Jul 05 21:38
schestowitzNice concise video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMY_-xYmJvEJul 05 21:53
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schestowitzCrazy cult: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-atQrCzz6roJul 05 22:00
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schestowitz[06:58] [Notice] -BNi to #boycottnovell- [satipera/@satipera] This is sort of nonsense we are up against. "Why Open Source Stalls Innovation and Patents Advance It" http://cli.gs/ynnen !fs !techrightsJul 06 07:48
phIRCe-localTitle: Preview Page - http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2010/07/05/open-source-stalls-innovation/id=11506/ .::. Size~: 5.7 KBJul 06 07:48
schestowitz It's Patent WatchTroll, Gene Quinn. Same ol' same ol'.Jul 06 07:48
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/39648758#notice-39904854 "It is amazing what people will pretend to believe if their incentive for doing so is big enough."Jul 06 11:15
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schestowitzhttp://280.status.net/notice/212804 "i know how you do that api-wise, but 'sgonna be a while before/if i implement that, y'know - way i see it, @schestowitz's client never posts w/ context and i'm not holding myself to a higher standard than him"Jul 06 11:19
phIRCe-localTitle: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Tuesday, 06-Jul-10 07:49:17 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 8.13 KBJul 06 11:19
schestowitzThat firm I told you about 2 days ago I blew away..Jul 06 13:15
schestowitzThey sent me a .docxJul 06 13:15
schestowitzFirst time everJul 06 13:15
schestowitzSo I canceled the interviewJul 06 13:15
MinceR:>Jul 06 13:17
schestowitzIt seems like a Microsoft shopJul 06 13:17
schestowitzhttp://asisaid.com/journal/article/1575.htmlJul 06 13:54
phIRCe-localTitle: asisaid by Timothy R. Butler - Symbian OS and the Linux Desktop .::. Size~: 12.92 KBJul 06 13:54
schestowitz[Rant]Jul 06 13:54
MinceRno conclusionJul 06 14:02
oiaohmBoy they don't get it.Jul 06 14:22
oiaohmthe OS of the cloud is linux.Jul 06 14:22
oiaohmJust the question is what shape will it take.Jul 06 14:23
MinceRit will be cloud-shaped.Jul 06 14:27
MinceR:>Jul 06 14:27
MinceRhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cloud_Strife_art.jpgJul 06 14:30
phIRCe-localTitle: File:Cloud Strife art.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 25.47 KBJul 06 14:30
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schestowitzMinceR: like lamb... hmmm... /me hungryJul 06 16:05
MinceRlamb?Jul 06 16:05
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MinceRcan we kickban this troll already?Jul 06 21:40
MinceRschestowitz: please kickban the trollsJul 06 21:45
MinceRalso, that bot needs to be fixed or removedJul 06 21:45
MinceRthe trolls keep using the exact same attackJul 06 21:45
MinceRwe really should just kickban trolls as soon as they reveal themselves, it's getting oldJul 06 21:46
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MinceR223359 < Shadowww|RDP> hai guis, anyone willing to tell me what's wrong with Microsoft?Jul 06 21:46
MinceR== trollJul 06 21:47
MinceRhe only made it even more clear afterwardsJul 06 21:47
schestowitz /etc/hosts.denyJul 06 21:50
schestowitz[21:46] <MinceR> we really should just kickban trolls as soon as they reveal themselves, it's getting oldJul 06 21:51
schestowitzI was away at the timeJul 06 21:51
MinceRwe need more ops thenJul 06 21:51
MinceRthey can scare away new users by the time you get backJul 06 21:51
schestowitzI know, but when it's quiet for months it's safe to have noneJul 06 21:51
schestowitzDo I just append the domain to /etc/hosts.deny?Jul 06 21:52
schestowitzIs the syntax that raw?Jul 06 21:52
MinceRare you trying to keep the bot from connecting to a host? hosts.deny is unlikely to do thatJul 06 21:53
schestowitzhttp://haax.in/Jul 06 21:53
schestowitztestJul 06 21:53
schestowitz[root@boycottnovell ~]# wget http://haax.in/Jul 06 21:54
MinceRafaik hosts.deny is generally used for incoming connections and in this case the bot is initiating an outgoing connection to retrieve the titleJul 06 21:54
schestowitz--2010-07-06 13:49:32--  http://haax.in/Jul 06 21:54
schestowitzResolving haax.in... 94.23.34.7Jul 06 21:54
schestowitzConnecting to haax.in|94.23.34.7|:80... connected.Jul 06 21:54
schestowitzHTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OKJul 06 21:54
schestowitzLength: 0 [text/html]Jul 06 21:54
schestowitzSaving to: `index.html'Jul 06 21:54
schestowitzWell, I see......Jul 06 21:54
MinceRyou could redirect haax.in to 127.0.0.1 in /etc/hosts if you were going for a really quick-and-dirty hackJul 06 21:54
MinceRbut they can get around that by using the ip address or a different domain nameJul 06 21:54
schestowitzThey might not knowJul 06 21:55
schestowitzAnyway, let's leave that for now..Jul 06 21:55
MinceRreally, the best thing to do seems to be limiting the urls looked up per line (perhaps even to 1, though twitter would suffer from that somewhat) and adding flood protection (that is, a time-based limit on lookups)Jul 06 21:56
MinceRthe former should be simple to doJul 06 21:56
schestowitzI think those attacks are rare enough that we can leave it unless it happens againJul 06 21:57
MinceRthey might be rare, but they're extremely annoyingJul 06 21:59
MinceRespecially now that they've realized they can also put nick into the title, highlighting everyoneJul 06 21:59
MinceRs/ck/cks/Jul 06 22:00
MinceRanother annoying factor is that it's our bot that's effectively flooding the channelJul 06 22:00
MinceRactually the time-based flood protection by itself would effectively limit the number of urls per line looked upJul 06 22:00
schestowitztrmanco knows the codeJul 06 22:16
schestowitzI haven't hacked php in a long timeJul 06 22:16
schestowitz2004Jul 06 22:16
schestowitz> Hi, Roy,Jul 06 22:16
schestowitz>Jul 06 22:16
schestowitz> 2004:Jul 06 22:16
schestowitz>Jul 06 22:16
schestowitz> http://media.photobucket.com/image/friends-dont-let-friends-use-ie.jpg/theironchief/friends-dont-let-friends-use-ie.jpgJul 06 22:16
schestowitz>Jul 06 22:16
phIRCe-localTitle: Friends-dont-let-friends-use-iejpg image by theironchief on Photobucket .::. Size~: 95.62 KBJul 06 22:16
schestowitz> (http://digg.com/tech_news/Friends_don_t_let_Friends_use_Internet_Explorer)Jul 06 22:16
schestowitz>Jul 06 22:17
phIRCe-localTitle: Error processing the URL:  .::. Size~: 0 KBJul 06 22:17
schestowitz> 2010:Jul 06 22:17
schestowitz>Jul 06 22:17
schestowitz> http://dilbert.com/2010-07-06/Jul 06 22:17
phIRCe-localTitle: The official Dilbert website with Scott Adams' color comic strips, animation, mashups and more! .::. Size~: 20.87 KBJul 06 22:17
schestowitz>Jul 06 22:17
schestowitz> MSIE users can't get rid of MSIE without also getting rid of Windows.Jul 06 22:17
schestowitz> MSIE is broken, it can't be fixed, it can't be removed.  They can addJul 06 22:17
schestowitz> chrome, opera, or firefox to their system in addition to MSIE, but MSIEJul 06 22:17
schestowitz> is there and spread throughout the machine.  To get rid of it, time toJul 06 22:17
schestowitz> upgrade to Fedora, Xubuntu, or HaikuOS.Jul 06 22:17
MinceRi expect there's a loop that moves through all the URLs found in a message -- turning it into a non-loop would make it only look up 1 URL; adding a counter to ensure it only executes n times would make it only look up n URLsJul 06 22:18
MinceRthe time-based flood protection would be trickier, as it involves timersJul 06 22:18
schestowitzAll that coding for just the possibility of attack might not be worth it IMHOJul 06 22:25
schestowitzNext time though.......Jul 06 22:25
schestowitzthe software is only used in our channels. maybe trmanco will want to enhance itJul 06 22:26
MinceRit's just basic courtesy when writing a botJul 06 22:26
schestowitzThey could also adapt and make workaroundsJul 06 22:26
schestowitzLike many nyms/URLsJul 06 22:26
schestowitzMinceR: :-)Jul 06 22:26
MinceRwriting a bot or script that answers to input from anyone on a channel without flood protection is really just asking for troubleJul 06 22:26
schestowitzThis was a coding exerciseJul 06 22:27
schestowitzHe read a book in JSONJul 06 22:27
MinceRalso, you can see that URL title resolver bots generally only respond to the first URL in any messageJul 06 22:27
MinceRwith good reasonJul 06 22:27
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/39714415#notice-39971668 "@schestowitz Some errors have occurred moving from Twitter I was subscribed to openbytes (Goblin) I will try again, ty."Jul 06 22:28
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schestowitzI hate those underscoresJul 06 22:28
MinceRas for ops: the more regulars get to have an op the greater the chance that one of them will be around when trolls attackJul 06 22:36
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/39714415#notice-39972770 "_goblin does not appear to exist in search and the openbytes (Goblin) seems kosher, odd goings on with Fabs account too. Dunno"Jul 06 22:37
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schestowitzGoblin is being weirdJul 06 22:38
schestowitzAfter he fought with ender they don't want to see one anotherJul 06 22:39
MinceRwho don't want to see another?Jul 06 22:39
MinceRoh, never mindJul 06 22:39
schestowitz"Hi There Mr. Schestowitz. I am unable to use wikileaks. Is their server down ??? Can't connect to upload the documents."Jul 06 22:40
schestowitzWikileaks is brokenJul 06 22:43
schestowitzThey rarely accept materialJul 06 22:43
schestowitzMaybe a manpower issueJul 06 22:43
MinceRmaybe it's a Jesuslandian government attack issueJul 06 22:44
MinceRthey've made it well known that they oppose freedom and transparencyJul 06 22:44
MinceRand that they'll sic all sorts of special forces (funded by the money of the taxpayers they want to keep in the dark) on the leakersJul 06 22:45
MinceRi guess there goes Freedom of Speech in the USAJul 06 22:45
schestowitzJul 06 22:47
schestowitz[22:44] <MinceR> maybe it's a Jesuslandian government attack issueJul 06 22:47
schestowitzI think they tried it beforeJul 06 22:47
schestowitzSome port blockingJul 06 22:48
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/40009105 "@jzb, wow, coming in attacking & haven't even written a "Party of Gnyes" essay yet. !fsf members give prefs for what they want, paper or no."Jul 06 23:59
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schestowitzzonker..Jul 06 23:59
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/39777492#notice-40038842 "It is very apparent you know about which you speak, that makes you a floss leader. Think about that, it makes a big difference"Jul 07 06:29
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schestowitz"Does "boycott novell" include OpenSuSE? Inquiring minds want to know." > no, not directlyJul 07 08:17
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/jdeisenberg/status/17922101823Jul 07 08:17
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MinceRis opensuse not covered by the pact?Jul 07 08:22
schestowitzNot in a fair wayJul 07 08:23
schestowitzJust "hobbyists" can use that safelyJul 07 08:23
schestowitzIf a business deploys a lot of opensuse, it can be sued, says the dealJul 07 08:23
schestowitzthe first Reddit comment is funnyJul 07 08:23
MinceRicJul 07 08:23
schestowitzThey got a source that's not biased and not taken out of context much, eitherJul 07 08:23
schestowitzIsrael has many problemsJul 07 08:24
schestowitzMaybe there's room for activism thereJul 07 08:24
schestowitzThe thing is, it's also surrounded by many zealous nations (no excuse though)Jul 07 08:24
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4580N7oULYJul 07 09:00
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tACNCcA0JtcJul 07 09:43
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ender2070http://www.pwnage.ca/images/access_talk.pngJul 07 15:48
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schestowitz"Live inside the dirty home if you want to change dirty home. just a suggestion.." < http://twitter.com/nsisodiya/status/17953629325 >Jul 07 16:08
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schestowitz??Jul 07 16:08
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ender2070?Jul 07 16:09
schestowitzI don't know what he meantJul 07 16:09
ender2070ohJul 07 16:09
schestowitzI read it like they want me to go to Brazil/India to help against the invaders from the WestJul 07 16:10
schestowitzhttp://280.status.net/notice/218700 "This whole "Open Core" nonsense has just led me to unsubscribing from Google News on "open source" (after 5 years on it). #OSI has work 2 do (oh, they're going to be mean to you mr. s)"Jul 07 18:28
phIRCe-localTitle: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Wednesday, 07-Jul-10 14:35:30 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 7.96 KBJul 07 18:28
schestowitzI just don't know what open source is anymoreJul 07 18:28
schestowitzMisused by everyoneJul 07 18:28
schestowitzApple is open source :-)D:-)Jul 07 18:29
ender2070lolJul 07 18:29
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/40168065 " Please, look in your inbox and tell me if you received my msg. Problems here."Jul 07 18:30
phIRCe-localTitle: agentsmith's status on Wednesday, 07-Jul-10 15:59:56 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.2 KBJul 07 18:30
schestowitz" GR8 Article, Mr. Schestowitz. Thanks for protecting my sources, the person could suffer retaliations in her work."Jul 07 18:30
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/40165218Jul 07 18:30
phIRCe-localTitle: agentsmith's status on Wednesday, 07-Jul-10 15:38:14 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.24 KBJul 07 18:30
schestowitzheh. he forgot to tell me it's the classified partJul 07 18:31
schestowitzIt's good we resolved this quickly enoughJul 07 18:32
schestowitzWhistleblowing is trickyJul 07 18:32
schestowitz"Please, take the DOC out of the site. My source can be tracked and harmed. Thanks in advance."Jul 07 18:32
schestowitzPeople who lose jobs to expose corruption save the world from a lot of troubleJul 07 18:32
schestowitzManning, Elsberg....Jul 07 18:32
schestowitzSome people blew the whistle on MicrosoftJul 07 18:32
schestowitz2 whom I can think of got firedJul 07 18:33
schestowitzOne sued and got $4 millionJul 07 18:33
schestowitzNever heard about the one who exposed the xbox 360 fiasco from withinJul 07 18:33
schestowitzThere need to be law to protect people who expose corruptionJul 07 18:33
schestowitzThe "lose your job" trick is being used to silence people and keep evil people in powerJul 07 18:34
schestowitzhttp://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/calls-to-suicide-hot-lines-surge-as-stress-of-joblessness-increases/19543254Jul 07 18:37
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schestowitzIt's a general problemJul 07 18:37
schestowitzhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/06/the-more-ceos-make-the-wo_n_636606.htmlJul 07 18:41
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ender2070some countries have laws to protect whistleblowersJul 07 18:43
ender2070canada has a few of themJul 07 18:43
ender2070i could report a potential employer to several government agencies for breaking different areas of the law and im protectedJul 07 18:44
schestowitzThey have lawsJul 07 18:44
schestowitzThey don't apply themJul 07 18:44
ender2070fire dept, ministry of labor, competition bureauJul 07 18:44
schestowitzDidn't work vs MicrosoftJul 07 18:44
schestowitzDepends on severityJul 07 18:44
ender2070i should report MS to the competition bureauJul 07 18:44
schestowitzIf you expose crimeJul 07 18:44
ender2070i have insider info about their oem practicesJul 07 18:44
schestowitzOr just ethical misconductJul 07 18:44
schestowitzIf you have time, you could sue themJul 07 18:45
schestowitzQuebec wonJul 07 18:45
ender2070microsoft staff literally told me and a few other people I know that we could sell oem vista with just a motherboardJul 07 18:45
ender2070we were given permission to sell oem xp with cablesJul 07 18:45
schestowitzhttp://pogson.6k.ca/2010/07/06/and-now-for-something-totally-different/Jul 07 18:45
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ender2070ide cable, sata cableJul 07 18:46
ender2070anything that goes inside the pcJul 07 18:46
schestowitzIf you have spare time, go with itJul 07 18:46
schestowitzFighting Microsoft is worthwhileJul 07 18:46
schestowitzPJ and I were gonna do it, had we have the free timeJul 07 18:46
schestowitzWe have evidence of smears/stalkingJul 07 18:46
ender2070I have time to fight microsoftJul 07 18:46
ender2070I think their plan was to divert me with that trollJul 07 18:47
ender2070im really smart and analytical and i was focusing on him too muchJul 07 18:47
ender2070butJul 07 18:49
schestowitzDon't aim at peopleJul 07 18:49
ender2070trolling effects emotionsJul 07 18:49
schestowitzAim at the issueJul 07 18:49
ender2070a lower part of the brainJul 07 18:49
schestowitzIt's evocativeJul 07 18:49
ender2070it takes overJul 07 18:49
schestowitzTo make you say nasty thingsJul 07 18:49
schestowitzAnd then use theseJul 07 18:49
ender2070yesJul 07 18:49
ender2070he was baiting meJul 07 18:49
schestowitzI was baited beforeJul 07 18:49
ender2070that college humor video explains it PERFECTLYJul 07 18:49
schestowitzAnd then  quoted out of context with the reactionJul 07 18:49
schestowitzThat was in 2006Jul 07 18:50
schestowitzI learned my lessonJul 07 18:50
schestowitzMicrosoft uses this tactic against court judgesJul 07 18:50
schestowitzSkeptics have formal name for this tactisJul 07 18:51
schestowitzAnd ideally it uses anonymous agent provocateurJul 07 18:51
schestowitzActing as a proxy to the person attacking youJul 07 18:51
ender2070rclaytonJul 07 18:51
ender2070deadsuperheroJul 07 18:51
ender2070i should've listened but my ego took a hold of meJul 07 18:51
ender2070anyways i've 1984ed his assJul 07 18:52
ender2070threw every reference to him down the memory holeJul 07 18:52
ender2070where I couldn't, I redacted his name with NON-PERSONJul 07 18:52
ender2070after today im pretending he doesnt existJul 07 18:52
schestowitzvJul 07 18:53
schestowitzhttp://opensource.com/life/10/7/wow-there-went-your-anonymityJul 07 18:53
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ender2070yeah thats pretty badJul 07 18:53
ender2070im glad I dont play world of warcraft anymoreJul 07 18:53
ender2070and before you ask why I did play it, i was addicted to it and I like video gamesJul 07 18:56
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schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/05/turkey-threatens-cut-ties-gazaJul 07 21:23
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schestowitzOnly fairJul 07 21:23
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY1otQodPE4Jul 07 22:14
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schestowitzWow. They force you to use the whole MS stackJul 08 00:07
schestowitzI've abstained it at work for like 10 yearsJul 08 00:07
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/39969495#notice-40231116 "@schestowitz you hit the nail once more ! #investigative #journalism is being replaced by #pressrelease"Jul 08 01:41
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schestowitzWe're actually quite rude about itJul 08 01:41
schestowitzI tell PR bunnies I'll shame them in public if they keep mailing meJul 08 01:41
schestowitzhttp://280.status.net/notice/220608 "just so *i* know i'm not making it up: "She is also currently an on-air Contributor for CNN. She was formerly Washington Editor at Large for The Huffington Post and was the online newspaper's Political Director during the 2008 election." wp/wiki/Hillary_Rosen"Jul 08 01:42
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schestowitzArianna has a family political background as wellJul 08 01:43
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schestowitzhttp://280.status.net/notice/220644 "i'm leftist w/o question but the contempory left know sweet F-A about these issues of intellectual freedom, tbh. few exceptions- mike doyle is golen (congress, PA) and the so-called left is so corporate these days anyway, the people in office more than voters"Jul 08 02:03
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schestowitzWhich party/ies is/are not objectionable? Here in the UK we have none that's largeJul 08 02:03
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schestowitz:the only party i know that isn't utterly wrong about intellectual freedom is the pirate party- not where i was going with the comments though- i think it's strange the mainstream left is so clueless about the issue- can't stand biden obviously" http://280.status.net/notice/220730Jul 08 07:51
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schestowitzhttp://280.status.net/notice/221809 "(principles = strategy = religion!)"Jul 08 10:13
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MinceR150211 < Aeolius> kibbitz. which brings us back to that quote someone posted in here, yesterday: "Hydrogen is a light, odorless gas, which,Jul 08 14:07
MinceR                  given enough time, turns into people."Jul 08 14:07
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/c_farrell/statuses/18025453146 "Looks like the comments on theregister.co.uk #opensuse 11.3 review are stupider and more full of invective spite than even techrights.org"Jul 08 15:06
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schestowitzMinceR: you don't like people, you self-hating human! :-)Jul 08 15:07
MinceRi don't hate myselfJul 08 15:08
schestowitzYou're humanJul 08 15:18
MinceRi hate humans in generalJul 08 15:19
MinceRand i hate my speciesJul 08 15:19
MinceRbut i don't hate myself as a personJul 08 15:19
MinceR(who knows, i might be the next step of evolution beyond human :> )Jul 08 15:20
schestowitzmotivation to live...?Jul 08 15:31
schestowitzYou seem nihilistJul 08 15:31
MinceRi can find motivationJul 08 15:33
MinceRi'm not nihilist, i'm a misanthrope. get your terms right. ;)Jul 08 15:33
schestowitzI need to look that upJul 08 15:39
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MisanthropeJul 08 15:39
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schestowitz"In early and pre-Islamic philosophy, certain thinkers such as Ibn al-Rawandi, a skeptic of Islam, and Muhammad ibn Zakariya ar-Razi often expressed misanthropic views.[6]"Jul 08 15:40
schestowitzThe atoms know as <what's your name.. I don't know> will one day come looseJul 08 15:40
schestowitzThen a less Misanthropic creature will take those atomsJul 08 15:41
schestowitzAnd make lots of babiesJul 08 15:41
MinceR400 babies!Jul 08 15:43
schestowitzrabies?Jul 08 15:44
MinceRnopeJul 08 15:46
schestowitzrabid babiesJul 08 15:47
schestowitzMy sister just got a babyJul 08 15:48
schestowitzIt's what it says in the Life ManualJul 08 15:48
schestowitzNow she needs to save up for school, college, etc.Jul 08 15:48
schestowitzJoy!Jul 08 15:48
schestowitzWriting proprietary code for GE all dayJul 08 15:48
schestowitzHer husband -- for IntelJul 08 15:49
*MinceR is writing proprietary code for GEJul 08 15:49
schestowitzI sometimes think I'd rather do gardening than write code I have ZERO rights toJul 08 15:49
schestowitzLike RMS says, it only harms peopleJul 08 15:49
MinceRi won't want to keep it anywayJul 08 15:49
schestowitzMinceR: GE in .hu?Jul 08 15:49
MinceRit talks to ClearQuest and ClearCase, both of which sucks shitJul 08 15:50
MinceRyesJul 08 15:50
MinceRs/cks/ck/Jul 08 15:50
schestowitzThey use OpenSUSE in my sister's officeJul 08 15:50
schestowitzForced toJul 08 15:50
MinceRthey use winblows xp hereJul 08 15:50
schestowitzLOLJul 08 15:50
schestowitzGood luck with thatJul 08 15:50
MinceRand i didn't remember it sucked this badJul 08 15:50
schestowitzIt's from 2001Jul 08 15:50
schestowitzWelcome back to KDE 2.xJul 08 15:50
MinceRi'm trying to get a gnu/linux vm running so at least i can get away from most of the retardednessJul 08 15:50
MinceRand still use the vpn and stuffJul 08 15:51
schestowitzAnd Firefox didn't even exist back thenJul 08 15:51
MinceR(and safeboot)Jul 08 15:51
MinceRwell, GE has standardized on ie6Jul 08 15:51
MinceRit's retardedJul 08 15:51
schestowitzLOLJul 08 15:51
MinceRtheir internal webapps suck shitJul 08 15:51
schestowitzEww... sounds like a sick blue filmJul 08 15:52
schestowitzStupid idiots write about swpats: http://thebrilliantstories.com/will-legal-software-mean-you-can-no-longer-get-anything-for-free/45628/Jul 08 16:18
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schestowitzThey don't know anything about the subjectJul 08 16:18
schestowitz"It will be not only interesting, but also important to see how it all unfolds."Jul 08 16:19
schestowitzProbably some boor with a degree in EnglishJul 08 16:19
MinceRsponsored by the Department of Redundancy DepartmentJul 08 16:21
schestowitzHow long do you plan to code for GE?Jul 08 16:32
schestowitzI'm hoping to have another couple of years promoting FSJul 08 16:33
MinceRnot sureJul 08 16:33
schestowitzGE is not all badJul 08 16:33
MinceRi've got some stuff to do until autumnJul 08 16:33
MinceRhow so?Jul 08 16:33
schestowitzEthicallyJul 08 16:33
MinceR(then there's another project coming up)Jul 08 16:33
schestowitzI know their bad acts, but they are not too severeJul 08 16:33
MinceRi'm not so sure of thatJul 08 16:33
schestowitzMy sister is in GE healthcareJul 08 16:33
MinceRthey own nbc, which you knowJul 08 16:33
schestowitzSo they also make medical equipmentJul 08 16:33
MinceRmy client is GEHC, tooJul 08 16:34
schestowitzMinceR: yes, MSNBCJul 08 16:34
schestowitzNot NBCJul 08 16:34
schestowitzAFAIKJul 08 16:34
MinceRthey own nbc universalJul 08 16:34
MinceRm$nbc is a joint venture between that and m$, afaikJul 08 16:34
schestowitzYesJul 08 16:34
schestowitzI didn't know the whole of NBC was GE'sJul 08 16:34
MinceRthey like to cuddle up to m$ and keep bullshitting about how ethical they areJul 08 16:34
schestowitzFully?Jul 08 16:34
MinceRand how great their integrity isJul 08 16:34
MinceRnot sureJul 08 16:34
MinceRi had that impressionJul 08 16:34
schestowitzThey do GE's energy propagandaJul 08 16:34
schestowitzBig money $$Jul 08 16:35
schestowitzNBC is the 'anti-Fox'Jul 08 16:35
schestowitzFighting junk with junkJul 08 16:35
schestowitzSomeone needs to pay the billJul 08 16:35
schestowitzOil is big moneyJul 08 16:35
MinceRhm, NBC Universal is or is planned to be mostly owned by comcast, not GEJul 08 16:36
MinceRanother bunch of assholes :)Jul 08 16:36
MinceRWP says it's 80% GE and 20% Vivendi knowJul 08 16:37
MinceRdunno what happened to the comcast dealJul 08 16:37
MinceRs/kno/no/Jul 08 16:37
MinceRwell, at least the next project would be on gnu/linux, not winblowsJul 08 16:37
schestowitzJul 08 16:38
schestowitz[16:36] <MinceR> hm, NBC Universal is or is planned to be mostly owned by comcast, not GEJul 08 16:38
schestowitzYes, I wrote about it a lotJul 08 16:38
schestowitz[16:37] <MinceR> dunno what happened to the comcast dealJul 08 16:38
schestowitzGot approves AFAIKJul 08 16:38
MinceRm$nbc.com and m$nbc are owned partly by nbc universal and partly by m$Jul 08 16:39
schestowitzStill some noise over it, maybe appeals for challengeJul 08 16:39
schestowitz"Universal"Jul 08 16:39
schestowitzI like thatJul 08 16:39
schestowitzCanonical UniversalJul 08 16:39
schestowitzTechrights UniversalJul 08 16:39
MinceRuniversal studios or somethingJul 08 16:39
MinceRprobably a card-carrying mafiaa memberJul 08 16:39
schestowitzHe who dominates Earth dominates the universeJul 08 16:40
schestowitzBecause anyway, everyone knows we're big and those stars in the sky appear so tinyJul 08 16:40
MinceRyou know what they sayJul 08 16:40
MinceR"the moon might be smaller than the earth, but it's certainly further away!"Jul 08 16:40
schestowitzI've watched many videos about the moon recentlyJul 08 16:41
schestowitzWhich reminds meJul 08 16:41
schestowitzScience Channel is filled with trashJul 08 16:41
schestowitzLike all US TV, it needs ratingsJul 08 16:41
schestowitzSo I found lots of pseudo-science there that made me angryJul 08 16:42
schestowitzThey know it's bogusJul 08 16:42
schestowitzBut they feed the superstuituionJul 08 16:42
schestowitzPosing it as open questions or somethingJul 08 16:42
schestowitzWitches bigfoot, etc.Jul 08 16:42
schestowitzI bet these are the 'popular' videos. It's fun for people to believe sci-fiJul 08 16:42
schestowitzhttp://lists.fsf.org/archive/html/info-fsf/2010-06/msg00003.html ugly themeJul 08 17:00
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MinceRat least it's readableJul 08 17:01
MinceRand it isn't bloatedJul 08 17:01
MinceRwhich is more than what can be said for most of the webJul 08 17:02
schestowitzPeople who design it think wrongJul 08 17:04
schestowitzBeen there, done thatJul 08 17:04
schestowitzThey go like, "oh.... you're right... I forgot some phones access it too..."Jul 08 17:04
schestowitz"What's wrong with Flash? It's kind of cool, with sounds and lovely music in the background that I like..."Jul 08 17:05
schestowitzGroklaw is kind of kaputJul 08 17:06
schestowitzAll news site have shelf lifeJul 08 17:06
schestowitzMine has some gas left...... I would hate working for someone elseJul 08 17:06
schestowitz==Jul 08 17:23
schestowitzBeen on the phone with brotherJul 08 17:23
schestowitzFinished his CS degree... all 3 of us got one. He made an Android app for video conferencingJul 08 17:23
schestowitzHis partner, who works for Microsoft, used him to do all the workJul 08 17:24
schestowitzSo I told him to snitch on him and he finally didJul 08 17:24
schestowitzAnd I told the said $brother Microsoft is firing lackeys next week, so $brother was happyJul 08 17:24
schestowitzSee my mint remark in main channelJul 08 18:38
schestowitzDon't use UbuntuJul 08 18:38
schestowitzFocus your criticism at people and issues/companies rather than sweeping statements (like distro country of origin/ethnicity) and you'll see you don't want to make Ubuntu even strongerJul 08 18:40
schestowitzI'm still shy to say I use Kubuntu, only cause Ryan told me to install it last year and then I did the auto-update, which workedJul 08 18:41
schestowitzUbuntu is responsible for harming MandrivaJul 08 18:41
schestowitzMy favourite distroJul 08 18:41
schestowitzI guess I won't be going to India :-)Jul 08 19:22
schestowitz[18:56] <anon> I was saying a indian proverb that If you wanna clean a dirty house then you must inside...Jul 08 19:22
schestowitz[18:57] <anon> you have unsurscribed from OSI...Jul 08 19:22
schestowitz[18:57] <anon> I read something similar #opencoreJul 08 19:22
schestowitz[18:57] <schestowitz> What does the proverb mean?Jul 08 19:22
schestowitz[18:58] <schestowitz> I thought you meant I should go to Brazil/India to get rid of the 'invaders' -- which I had considered doingJul 08 19:22
schestowitz[18:58] <schestowitz> Does India need help from the West to do activism -- in the form of people who come over to organise?Jul 08 19:22
schestowitz[18:58] <anon> it means,, if you wanna change any system the you need to be part of it... unsubscrisbing any mailing list is not a solution .. IMHOJul 08 19:22
schestowitz[18:59] <schestowitz> I seeJul 08 19:22
schestowitz[18:59] <schestowitz> I might stay subscribedJul 08 19:22
schestowitz[19:00] <anon> Yes !!  if outsider people come to india,,, ( indian people listen much,,,)Jul 08 19:22
schestowitz[19:00] <schestowitz> http://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/view/10757/india-beats-netherlands-brazil-and-germany-in-security-world-cup/Jul 08 19:22
schestowitz[19:00] <schestowitz> where in India are you located?Jul 08 19:22
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schestowitz[19:00] <anon> New DelhiJul 08 19:22
schestowitz[19:00] <anon> CapitalJul 08 19:22
schestowitz[19:01] <schestowitz> I like Vandana ShivaJul 08 19:22
schestowitz[19:01] <schestowitz> She got her phd in CanadaJul 08 19:22
schestowitz[19:01] <schestowitz> Now she fights MonsantoJul 08 19:22
schestowitz[19:01] <schestowitz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah-ZeN_ghroJul 08 19:22
schestowitz[19:01] <schestowitz> But she's IndianJul 08 19:23
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schestowitz[19:02] <anon> I do not know her.. But yes,,, Indian good minds do not shine much in india,, once they fly outside india,, their success rate increase at exponential mannerJul 08 19:23
schestowitz[19:03] <schestowitz> ACTA is easier to explain to Indian citizensJul 08 19:23
schestowitz[19:04] <anon> That is truth.... India is a holy crap country,,, I still wonder how our ancestor won freedom in 1947.. If we become slave in current days (which we are actually) then nobody will fight..Jul 08 19:23
schestowitz[19:04] <anon> Yes,, I agree,, at ACTA point,,,Jul 08 19:23
schestowitz[19:05] <schestowitz> How can a person like myself help in India against monopolies?Jul 08 19:23
schestowitz[19:07] <anon> Basically,,, it need reforms from Indian soil but if outsider come from workshop and major event it will strength our voice,,Jul 08 19:23
schestowitz[19:08] <schestowitz> So not permanent I supposeJul 08 19:23
schestowitz[19:08] <schestowitz> Just visitationJul 08 19:23
schestowitz[19:09] <anon> yup,,Jul 08 19:23
schestowitz[19:09] <anon> next some more month i will be busy with schoolos and other stuff... I will jump and plan many things,, but it will take time..Jul 08 19:23
schestowitz[19:11] <schestowitz> OKJul 08 19:23
schestowitzJul 08 19:23
schestowitz[19:14] <anon> ok ,, good night,, I will leave now..Jul 08 19:23
schestowitz> http://tobkes.othellomaster.com/archives/2010/07/09/balloon-show/Jul 08 20:53
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schestowitz>Jul 08 20:53
schestowitz> I have gotten several requests from viewers asking me for the name of theJul 08 20:53
schestowitz> song in this Power Point Presentation.Jul 08 20:54
schestowitz>Jul 08 20:54
schestowitz> I am not surprised at people asking because it is an absolutely beautifulJul 08 20:54
schestowitz> melody; it's very familiar, yet I cannot come up with the name. Somehow itJul 08 20:54
schestowitz> sounds a bit like a European waltz.Jul 08 20:54
schestowitz>Jul 08 20:54
schestowitz> I am taking a shot in the dark and hoping you have the answer.Jul 08 20:54
schestowitzHmmmm... I can't open that page. Must be an error.Jul 08 20:54
schestowitzhttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-07-01/how-to-make-an-american-job-before-it-s-too-late-andy-grove.htmlJul 08 20:57
phIRCe-localTitle:             How to Make an American Job Before It's Too Late: Andy Grove - Bloomberg           .::. Size~: 65.12 KBJul 08 20:57
schestowitz "Not this time. I left the restaurant unsettled. Something didn’t add up. Bay Area unemployment is even higher than the 9.7 percent national average. "Jul 08 20:57
schestowitzhttp://tobkes.othellomaster.com/archives/2010/07/08/balloon-show/Jul 08 21:19
phIRCe-localTitle: Harvey Tobkes  » Blog Archive   » HOT AIR BALLOON SHOW  GERMANY .::. Size~: 22.7 KBJul 08 21:19
schestowitzCan you recognise the music?Jul 08 21:20
schestowitzWow. Vista is a mess: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7I_9JiMLbIJul 08 22:20
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube- Java Tutorial Intro - Installing EasyEclipse .::. Size~: 87.33 KBJul 08 22:20
schestowitzUAC :-)Jul 08 22:20
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schestowitzwb, brandonJul 08 22:49
schestowitzHow goes it?Jul 08 22:49
schestowitzender2070: http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=xbdXXXYxTT0&feature=relatedJul 08 22:49
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube- Java Video Tutorial 3: Variables and Arithmatic (Part2) .::. Size~: 96.04 KBJul 08 22:49
schestowitzNow is your chance to become a hacker ;-)Jul 08 22:49
schestowitzCareer changeJul 08 22:50
ender2070:)Jul 08 22:58
ender2070i actually have a large book on javaJul 08 22:58
ender2070thenewboston.comJul 08 22:59
ender2070http://www.thenewboston.comJul 08 22:59
phIRCe-localTitle: TheNewBoston Forum &bull; Index page .::. Size~: 44.82 KBJul 08 22:59
ender2070http://www.youtube.com/thenewbostonJul 08 23:00
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube- thenewboston's Channel .::. Size~: 172.44 KBJul 08 23:00
ender2070he has awesome tutorialsJul 08 23:00
ender2070trolls are still trying to bait meJul 08 23:42
ender2070they are getting persistent and needyJul 08 23:42
schestowitzTrolls got hungryJul 09 00:29
ender2070rclayton seems to have signed up simply to troll meJul 09 04:26
schestowitzThey have those.Jul 09 08:55
schestowitzMaybe a sockpuppetJul 09 08:55
schestowitzOr "yes man"Jul 09 08:55
schestowitzTo give the illusion that the gangster has some followingJul 09 08:55
ender2070good pointJul 09 08:58
ender2070a 'free software' advocate, so he seems to be on the other side of leftyJul 09 08:59
ender2070anyways he can talk all he wantsJul 09 08:59
ender2070im not responding to him eitherJul 09 08:59
ender2070the last thing I said to him was an apology, and hes like 'i wont accept that unless you apologize to redacted and stop trolling for a year'Jul 09 09:00
ender2070im just going to focus on programmingJul 09 09:07
ender2070C and JavaJul 09 09:07
ender2070I already own booksJul 09 09:07
ender2070now I have lots of free timeJul 09 09:07
schestowitzgoodJul 09 09:36
ender2070as for jobs i've had to resort to using my middle name instead of brandonJul 09 09:39
ender2070:(Jul 09 09:39
ender2070googling brandon lozza takes you to freeishsoftwareJul 09 09:40
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schestowitzI never visited that siteJul 09 11:33
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schestowitz'“Adolf” Sarkozy has triumphed again. His Fascist French government has passed through an Internet Censorship bill that allows the government to set up Internet filters at various Internet websites.' http://politifi.com/news/Au-Revoir-Internet-Freedom-910873.htmlJul 09 18:26
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schestowitzA lot of people these days call "Nazi" anyone whom they dislike... more so than before AFAIKJul 09 18:26
MinceRit's fittingJul 09 18:27
schestowitzI hat SarkoJul 09 18:27
schestowitz*hateJul 09 18:28
schestowitzBut let's see if he declares warsJul 09 18:28
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjYtSMgBc9wJul 09 18:36
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube- Mammals Vs. Dinos- Mammalian Sensory Development .::. Size~: 100.76 KBJul 09 18:36
schestowitz"@schestowitz was never focused on code, but on applications of open source-ish principles to non-sw areas - most OSDC writers are not devs" http://identi.ca/conversation/40272502#notice-40545576Jul 09 19:13
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MinceRif my work laptop wasn't full to the brim with locked down crap like this, i could leave it somewhere and vnc into itJul 09 20:11
schestowitz"@schestowitz i need a netbook that doesn't suck and costs less than 00 (300-350 will do) and doesn't have windows or suse on it" http://identi.ca/notice/new?replyto=openuniverse&inreplyto=40566461 ideas?Jul 09 22:14
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MinceRless than 00? i'd like that tooJul 09 22:17
schestowitz I think Zareason do some and there's Dell's MiniJul 09 22:17
schestowitzMinceR: 400Jul 09 22:17
schestowitz"i'll look at zareason if they sell anything under 400 that isn't an intel crapmate. dell makes too many exploding things, hp is evil, asus sold out and leemote simply doesn't makes netbooks afaik"Jul 09 22:57
schestowitzhttp://280.status.net/notice/228528Jul 09 22:57
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schestowitzOK, I guess he can support Zareason in the USJul 09 22:58
schestowitz"@schestowitz i don't know why i'm asking you, as you're in the uk- but i tend to assume you know everything, that's the only thing." http://identi.ca/notice/40575140 :-)Jul 09 22:59
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/40311592#notice-40576766 "Jul 09 23:35
schestowitzspeeddefrostJul 09 23:35
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schestowitz@schestowitz thanks for clarifying :) - now i see what's going onJul 09 23:35
schestowitz"Jul 09 23:35
schestowitzso-called mainstream news is bunk ........  http://twitter.com/Codepope/status/18145961706  yeah, I was surprised it said Waterloo; will add correction.Jul 09 23:40
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schestowitzanks I'll keep it in mSutor's apple addiction: http://www.sutor.com/c/2010/07/revisiting-math-software-on-the-ipad/Jul 10 11:14
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schestowitzI'm coming back from London on Monday (19th). I've thrown some words to test and see if the format is OK: http://schestowitz.com/Speaking/2010/July/Threats/ ...Jul 10 13:14
phIRCe-localTitle: Present and future threats to software freedom .::. Size~: 3.79 KBJul 10 13:14
schestowitzI hope this is generally an acceptable layout (can be save locally as HTML).Jul 10 13:14
schestowitz> LOL. :) Sorry for being harsh so early on. I'll be harsh later! :)Jul 10 13:49
schestowitz> I like the format. With javascript you get slides magic withoutJul 10 13:49
schestowitz> javascript you still get the content. Graceful degradation is what theJul 10 13:50
schestowitz> web is about!Jul 10 13:50
schestowitz>Jul 10 13:50
schestowitz> Can you advertise the event as much as possible because our talks don'tJul 10 13:50
schestowitz> currently have a massive audience but the few people there should beJul 10 13:50
schestowitz> committed to free software.Jul 10 13:50
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schestowitzgrrr... mono booster again. "Can you explain why Windows has the best anti-virus products? and Linux has ClamAV which doesn't compare in av-comparatives?" http://identi.ca/conversation/40432659#notice-40700853Jul 10 18:49
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schestowitz> Mueller has been attacking IBM and whitewashing M$.  I don't have handyJul 10 22:59
schestowitz> examples, but there are many (monthly almost) examples of M$ usingJul 10 22:59
schestowitz> patents to squash innovation and competition.Jul 10 22:59
schestowitz>Jul 10 22:59
schestowitz> I wish we would get the old Florian Mueller back.  The pod-person entityJul 10 22:59
schestowitz> is no fun and not useful.Jul 10 22:59
schestowitzWell, I'm just generally pleased that the site is hardly ever attacked by trolls anymore. We get less comments, more signal, almost no abuse, and more traffic too.Jul 10 23:02
schestowitzMueller is /not/ our biggest problem.Jul 10 23:03
schestowitzThe Mono troll: http://twitter.com/directhex/statuses/18205000895Jul 10 23:09
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MinceRpftJul 10 23:41
MinceRmepis "provides" gpl source code via a set of dvds they sellJul 10 23:41
MinceRand their configuration utilities seem to be proprietary ("All rights reserved" in the About boxes)Jul 10 23:42
schestowitzYeahJul 10 23:50
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/40514827#notice-40783021 'MSoft are the Borg and need to be stopped, and the breadth of how unsurprising this news is is the proof."Jul 11 13:19
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schestowitz*LOL*Jul 11 18:09
schestowitzThe megatroll's attack sites against me get almost 0 visitorsJul 11 18:09
schestowitzIt's not even rankable by netcraft and alexa :-)Jul 11 18:09
schestowitzHe wasted his timeJul 11 18:09
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schestowitz> for a little while, i'm going to try being less of a fighter and more of a promoter. it won't be the first time, but the fight instinct is much stronger than the promote instinct. this isn't about image or pretending to be something else.Jul 11 21:38
schestowitz>Jul 11 21:38
schestowitz> it doesn't mean i'm not just as interested in fighters. i thought bn was important long before i joined identi.ca or knew who was responsible for it (i never paid much attention to who authored it, just the info itself) and that won't change.Jul 11 21:38
schestowitz>Jul 11 21:38
schestowitz> but the biggest item on my tag cloud is "microsoft" because of all the links i repeat that you put #microsoft on. it's not like i don't choose to repeat them, and i can edit them, so i'm not blaming you.Jul 11 21:38
schestowitz>Jul 11 21:38
schestowitz> and this might be temporary. i still want to repeat techrights links, even if it draws just 1 or 2 new users to your site, that's a good thing. the kind of links i'll be looking for are ones that promote free software. i'm certainly NOT suggesting you change anything you're doing, i love what you're doing- **BUT** if you're less active for a while, and you just want to throw in a few free software links while you're inJul 11 21:38
schestowitzquiet mode, please do. enjoy your vaca. cheers.Jul 11 21:38
MinceRi think i'm going back to debianJul 11 21:47
schestowitz_back_?Jul 11 22:00
MinceRindeedJul 11 22:02
MinceRthe first OS i put on my ThinkPad W700 was debianJul 11 22:02
MinceRthen i switched to kubuntuJul 11 22:02
MinceRi figured that i'll get automatically updated proprietary drivers, unbroken gnome-do packages and properly setup nautilusJul 11 22:03
MinceRi can deal with the first and the further ones won't make much of a difference anymoreJul 11 22:03
MinceRand *ubuntu is going downJul 11 22:03
MinceRaccording to distrowatch, almost all debian-based and fedora-based distros omit important packages from their parentJul 11 22:04
MinceRlike gnumeric, abiword and kdebaseJul 11 22:04
MinceRoh, and k3bJul 11 22:04
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schestowitz> …His headquarters is in Plantation, Florida. The James Randi EducationalJul 12 08:56
schestowitz> Foundation is 15 minutes from our house.Jul 12 08:56
schestowitzRe: James RandiJul 12 08:56
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schestowitzheh. My Dutch friend moved to Mexico and he's still there. http://johnbokma.com/mexit/2010/06/07/Jul 12 12:14
phIRCe-localTitle: Picking up the keys .::. Size~: 9.43 KBJul 12 12:14
schestowitzJust been to his site for the first time in ages. Glad to see the family and all!Jul 12 12:16
schestowitzhttp://johnbokma.com/Jul 12 12:16
phIRCe-localTitle: John Bokma - Hacking and Hiking in Mexico .::. Size~: 4.57 KBJul 12 12:16
schestowitzhttp://techright.net/Jul 12 12:32
phIRCe-localTitle: TECHRIGHT.NET .::. Size~: 5.16 KBJul 12 12:33
schestowitztechrights.net seems to have just been vacatedJul 12 12:33
schestowitzIf we wanted that on top of .com and .org (.net was taken some months ago)Jul 12 12:33
schestowitzeff took eff.net and .comJul 12 12:34
schestowitzI am ditching godaddy at the moment, for goodJul 12 12:42
schestowitzShould I get techrights.net, you think?Jul 12 12:42
schestowitz[mail quote]Jul 12 12:42
schestowitzI am an existing customer of yours. I would also like to transfer my domain boycottnovell.com from the old registrar so that I can consolidate all my domain names with you.Jul 12 12:42
schestowitzI hope move boycottnovell.com from GoDaddy by August (all the domain does is perma-redirections) and it is crucially important that the nameservers after the move are:Jul 12 12:42
schestowitzNS1.COPILOTCO.COMJul 12 12:42
schestowitzNS2.COPILOTCO.COMJul 12 12:43
schestowitzThe regitration details are the same as in GoDaddy, namely:Jul 12 12:43
schestowitzRoy SchestowitzJul 12 12:43
schestowitzF214 Sir Charles GrovesJul 12 12:43
schestowitz4 Booth Street WestJul 12 12:43
schestowitzManchester, LancashireJul 12 12:43
schestowitzM156PXJul 12 12:43
schestowitzUnited KingdomJul 12 12:43
schestowitzr@schestowitz.comJul 12 12:43
schestowitzTel +44.8445442580Jul 12 12:43
schestowitzThe important thing is that the nameservers are made NS1.COPILOTCO.COM NS2.COPILOTCO.COM so that requests are served correctly throughout the migration (in essence, NS1.COPILOTCO.COM NS2.COPILOTCO.COM will point at the right place).Jul 12 12:43
schestowitz[/]Jul 12 12:43
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MinceRoh, actually one of the reasons i switched from debian to kubuntu was that i wanted kde4 :)Jul 12 14:08
schestowitz4.4?Jul 12 14:26
schestowitz4.4.4?Jul 12 14:26
MinceR4.3Jul 12 14:26
schestowitzOh, nmJul 12 14:26
schestowitzYou means months agJul 12 14:26
schestowitz*agoJul 12 14:27
MinceRindeedJul 12 14:27
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/40972354 "I found this http://ur1.ca/0nq3u and thought you might wanna share it with a larger audience. Don't know if you already seen it"Jul 12 14:27
phIRCe-localTitle: Youknowwho (youknowwhoxzy)'s status on Monday, 12-Jul-10 09:52:20 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.95 KBJul 12 14:27
schestowitzRMS is repetitiveJul 12 14:27
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube- Richard Stallman On FOSS GNU And Freedom 1 of 14 .::. Size~: 88.14 KBJul 12 14:27
schestowitzHe has 2-3 talksJul 12 14:27
schestowitzCopyrights, patents, and FSJul 12 14:28
schestowitzOh gosh... my mom's coming overJul 12 15:10
schestowitzThe whole week wasted.Jul 12 15:11
schestowitz> *I am very happy that you are going to be able to spend some quality timeJul 12 15:11
schestowitz> with your mom in your home away from home, Manchester. May I suggest youJul 12 15:11
schestowitz> plan some things you know she will like and make it a highly memorableJul 12 15:11
schestowitz> visit for her and yourself? I am sure you will!*Jul 12 15:11
schestowitz> *My son Andrew also was away from home ever since age 18; that is a bitJul 12 15:11
schestowitz> early to leave the nest, but necessary when pursuing a career as aJul 12 15:11
schestowitz> medical doctor. *Jul 12 15:11
schestowitz> *Do you think departing from one’s family at a relatively early age andJul 12 15:11
schestowitz> then forming your own family, diminishes your closeness and feeling forJul 12 15:11
schestowitz> your parents and siblings?*Jul 12 15:11
schestowitzOK, I've moved my last domain to the same hostJul 12 17:59
schestowitz6th domain..Jul 12 17:59
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schestowitz"i would have never considered x86 a problem... never heard that one, but it's interesting. i suppose it's easier to port free software to 64bit and mips/loongson as it's designed to be ported, and a team can be assembled from nowhere?"Jul 12 21:00
schestowitzIntel and AMD used to compete for Linux love, now they compete with ARMJul 12 21:00
ender2070still still contributes moreJul 12 21:16
ender2070intel* stillJul 12 21:16
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schestowitzhttp://280.status.net/notice/241009 "but your statement seems to imply that arm is better, or that x86 is worse, and i don't know how arm is better for freedom than anything else- hence my confusion (the argument is totally new to me)"Jul 13 01:20
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MinceRhttp://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/specials/weirdflorida/blog/2010/07/flipflops_for_christians.htmlJul 13 06:57
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schestowitz> Hello Roy,Jul 14 20:06
schestowitz>Jul 14 20:06
schestowitz> This is my new mail and I will send in future emails from this.Jul 14 20:06
schestowitz>Jul 14 20:06
schestowitz> Can you give me some contact persons from Red Hat which I can contactJul 14 20:06
schestowitz> directly about closed source product lobby in Latvia??Jul 14 20:06
schestowitz>Jul 14 20:06
schestowitz> Some more interesting information, links:Jul 14 20:06
schestowitz> http://www.valodukrasts.lv/Jul 14 20:06
schestowitz> You can translate it in google!!!Jul 14 20:06
phIRCe-localTitle: Valodu krasts - Vai esi supertulks? .::. Size~: 14.58 KBJul 14 20:06
schestowitz> End picture if there is possible put in Techrights website let people see.Jul 14 20:06
schestowitz> Please do not provide any information and my sentences in TechrightsJul 14 20:06
schestowitz> website!!!!!!Jul 14 20:06
schestowitz>Jul 14 20:06
schestowitz>Jul 14 20:06
schestowitz> Can you help to put these and recent written information and help toJul 14 20:07
schestowitz> inform about them Red Hat. There is need fast reaction because MicrosoftJul 14 20:07
schestowitz> lobbying continues in Latvia.Jul 14 20:07
schestowitz> There is need as soon as possible to say the truth to our President ofJul 14 20:07
schestowitz> Latvia that closed source technologies are bad!!!!Jul 14 20:07
schestowitz>Jul 14 20:07
schestowitz> Recently I asked that there is need some parts to remove from website. IJul 14 20:07
schestowitz> am sorry I only wonder that Microsoft will find me!!!!Jul 14 20:07
schestowitz>Jul 14 20:07
schestowitz> That's all.Jul 14 20:07
schestowitz>Jul 14 20:07
schestowitz> Please if you have free time help to put these questions to Red Hat orJul 14 20:07
schestowitz> other open technology organization which can help Latvia.Jul 14 20:07
schestowitzFrantic.Jul 14 20:07
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MinceRhttp://trabant.uid0.hu/fun/ptos.jpgJul 16 12:34
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MinceRtroll alertJul 16 14:50
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**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 19 16:20:35 2010
*Now talking on #boycottnovell-socialJul 19 16:20
*Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell-social for http://TechRights.org | Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovellJul 19 16:20
*Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Fri May 7 00:20:15 2010Jul 19 16:20
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/M4n1sh/statuses/18667829826 "@psankar People tone down as time passes. Remember Roy changed the name of boycottnovell.org to techrights.org ?"Jul 19 16:50
schestowitzWTF?Jul 19 16:50
schestowitzhttp://compgroups.net/comp.os.linux.advocacy/Roy-have-you-seen-this-LMFAO.Jul 19 16:50
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phIRCe-localHello World! I'm phIRCe-local running phIRCe v0.3Jul 19 16:55
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schestowitzJust got this:Jul 19 17:02
schestowitz> Hello Roy,Jul 19 17:02
schestowitz>Jul 19 17:02
schestowitz> Given your background against the beast I could learn a lot from you.Jul 19 17:02
schestowitz>Jul 19 17:02
schestowitz> But as I have spent the last ten years of my life fightingJul 19 17:02
schestowitz> the same animal, I surely know a thing or two.Jul 19 17:02
schestowitz>Jul 19 17:02
schestowitz> Here is my latest contribution:Jul 19 17:02
schestowitz>Jul 19 17:02
schestowitz> To win market share, Linux MUST make the difference.Jul 19 17:02
schestowitz> Boldly.Jul 19 17:02
schestowitz>Jul 19 17:03
schestowitz> Look at http://gwan.ch/Jul 19 17:03
phIRCe-localTitle: TrustLeap G-WAN Apache PHP IIS ASP.Net GlassFish Java Web server software Linux and Windows benchmarks .::. Size~: 12.47 KBJul 19 17:03
schestowitz>Jul 19 17:03
schestowitz> That's the best advertising for Linux I have ever seen inJul 19 17:03
schestowitz> my life. I am G-WAN's author.Jul 19 17:03
schestowitz>Jul 19 17:03
schestowitz> G-WAN is free but not open-source: MSFT would copyJul 19 17:03
schestowitz> & paste it into the kernel (they copied other programs IJul 19 17:03
schestowitz> made) and the Justice Dept. (worldwide) are too corruptedJul 19 17:03
schestowitz> to do anything else than just ruine you if you sue the guiltyJul 19 17:03
schestowitz> (been there, done that).Jul 19 17:03
schestowitz>Jul 19 17:03
schestowitz> There's nothing as strong as self-interest of the masses.Jul 19 17:03
schestowitz> Let's help the masses do themselves a favor.Jul 19 17:03
schestowitz>Jul 19 17:03
schestowitz> I need other seasonned people's advices and assistanceJul 19 17:03
schestowitz> to go even further. I'll do my share (more coding) but IJul 19 17:03
schestowitz> need exposure in the free world, blogs, wikipedia, etc. toJul 19 17:03
schestowitz> balance the black-out organized by the beast.Jul 19 17:03
schestowitz>Jul 19 17:03
schestowitz> Your experience in invaluable. Combined with mine weJul 19 17:03
schestowitz> can really do marvels.Jul 19 17:03
schestowitz>Jul 19 17:03
schestowitz> Let me know what you think,Jul 19 17:03
schestowitz>Jul 19 17:03
schestowitz> Pierre.Jul 19 17:03
schestowitzThat's a nice site I never heard about before. I wonder, is there any site introducing people to it?Jul 19 17:04
schestowitzHmmm... that's new. identica abbreviates with links... "it would be nine to convince Chris, HPT and others to just get the daily news at Techrights and leave the rest. I can't self-promote" becomes shortenred and truncatedJul 19 18:02
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schestowitzJul 15 17:47:21 -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Q: Iraq, Vietnam other wars were started by craven, inaccurate media. So what is the avg kill count per journalist?Jul 19 19:50
schestowitzWow. Jono dumped his oggcast and also left FLOSS Weekly before that. Now he's just preaching to ~50 Ubuntu users in uStream. Maybe his album got in the way of thingsJul 19 20:24
schestowitzoh, I missed this: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/mandriva-press-release-raises-more-questionsJul 19 20:28
phIRCe-localTitle: Mandriva Press Release Raises More Questions | Linux Journal .::. Size~: 44.27 KBJul 19 20:28
ender2070I saw him on two weeks agoJul 19 20:32
ender2070uStream thoughJul 19 20:32
schestowitz> I registered G-WAN on (many) downloads sites when noJul 19 20:57
schestowitz> mainstream media relayed my press releases.Jul 19 20:57
schestowitz>Jul 19 20:57
schestowitz> They prefer not to eclipse the 10-20% of "green" savingsJul 19 20:57
schestowitz> offered (at a premium price) by their sponsors. Media doJul 19 20:57
schestowitz> not live from just fesh air.Jul 19 20:57
schestowitz>Jul 19 20:57
schestowitz> Geeks site like slashdot were only about bashing G-WANJul 19 20:57
schestowitz> ("how did it make it to slashdot? another useless server").Jul 19 20:57
schestowitz>Jul 19 20:58
schestowitz> Developer sites like stackoverflow.com censor it to deathJul 19 20:58
schestowitz> (that's advertising to discuss G-WAN but that's perfectlyJul 19 20:58
schestowitz> fine to discuss the blattantly inefficient IIS + C#).Jul 19 20:58
schestowitz>Jul 19 20:58
schestowitz> Wikipedia censored even free source code donated by meJul 19 20:58
schestowitz> (they just censored everything posted under my IP addressJul 19 20:58
schestowitz> and everything containing the word 'TrustLeap', even whenJul 19 20:58
schestowitz> posted by total strangers from foreign countries).Jul 19 20:58
schestowitz>Jul 19 20:58
schestowitz> Remember Microsoft "Mind Control"?Jul 19 20:58
schestowitz>Jul 19 20:58
schestowitz> "To control mental output, you have to control mental input.Jul 19 20:58
schestowitz> Take control of the channels by which developers receive information.Jul 19 20:58
schestowitz> Then they can only think about the things you tell them.Jul 19 20:58
schestowitz> Thus, you control mindshare."Jul 19 20:58
schestowitz>Jul 19 20:58
schestowitz> There's also the (old) Sillicon Valley "Mushroom's law":Jul 19 20:58
schestowitz>Jul 19 20:58
schestowitz> "Keep them in the dark,Jul 19 20:58
schestowitz> Cover them with shit,Jul 19 20:58
schestowitz> Cut them at the knee when they are growing."Jul 19 20:58
schestowitz>Jul 19 20:58
schestowitz> This was for my previous venture (TWD Industries) whereJul 19 20:58
schestowitz> RA / DS have been eradicated by SYMANTEC and its gangJul 19 20:58
schestowitz> first (in 1999, RA was outdoing pcAnywhere and nobodyJul 19 20:58
schestowitz> had anything like the DS with the firewall traversal feature) and thenJul 19 20:58
schestowitz> by the MICROSOFT Virus Information Alliance (VIA) after I reffused toJul 19 20:58
schestowitz> sell to Summit Partners.Jul 19 20:58
schestowitz>Jul 19 20:58
schestowitz> You see now what I mean.Jul 19 20:58
schestowitz>Jul 19 20:58
schestowitz> Pierre.Jul 19 20:58
schestowitzI know what you mean. What I suggest is this: write up a guest post for techrights.org where you explain your project, how it shows the failure of IIS + C# and if you choose to, explain how publication was suppressed and by whom? Windows EULA forbids benchmarking.Jul 19 20:58
ender2070Have a 16 year old do the benchmarkingJul 19 21:03
ender2070in the statesJul 19 21:03
ender2070they can't legally accept a EULAJul 19 21:03
schestowitzI think Microsoft dropped these termsJul 19 21:06
schestowitzhttp://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=2118Jul 19 21:11
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schestowitzAt least someone talks about these issues...Jul 19 21:12
schestowitzESRJul 19 21:12
schestowitz> The only one I have been able to identify personally is... an "ex" U.S.Jul 19 23:07
schestowitz> Army Intelligence Analyst.Jul 19 23:07
schestowitz>Jul 19 23:07
schestowitz> Are you really willing to follow this path?Jul 19 23:07
schestowitz>Jul 19 23:07
schestowitz> TWD's first keygenerators (before I used publicJul 19 23:07
schestowitz> encryption for licenses) were found on... a coupleJul 19 23:07
schestowitz> of FBI honeypots.Jul 19 23:07
schestowitz>Jul 19 23:07
schestowitz> Uncle Sam makes his own luck when this is aboutJul 19 23:07
schestowitz> playing in the 'free and open markets'.Jul 19 23:07
schestowitz>Jul 19 23:07
schestowitz>> Windows EULA forbids benchmarking.Jul 19 23:07
schestowitz>Jul 19 23:07
schestowitz> Wow. I did not know. I'll have to check if that wasJul 19 23:07
schestowitz> the case on *my* Windows boxes (which do not download updates).Jul 19 23:07
schestowitz>Jul 19 23:07
schestowitz> Thanks for the tips.Jul 19 23:07
schestowitzI'd publish benchmarks that extol the virtues of Free software overJul 19 23:07
schestowitzMicrosoft's marketing-ware.Jul 19 23:07
schestowitzHmmmmm,...Jul 19 23:07
schestowitzGoogle again.........Jul 19 23:07
schestowitzThey contact me for the third time trying to hire meJul 19 23:08
schestowitz> Hi Roy,Jul 19 23:08
schestowitz>Jul 19 23:08
schestowitz> I see you interviewed with us in 2006 and was wondering if you might be interested in exploring opportunities here once again.Jul 19 23:08
schestowitz>Jul 19 23:08
schestowitz> If not, I'd like to hear how your career and interests have grown since receiving your PhD in Medical Biophysics.Jul 19 23:08
schestowitz>Jul 19 23:08
schestowitz> Thank you in advance for your time and consideration.Jul 19 23:08
schestowitz>Jul 19 23:08
schestowitz> SincerelyJul 19 23:08
schestowitz> Christian Bogeberg | bogeberg@google.comJul 19 23:08
schestowitz> Engineering Recruiter | Google Inc., CAJul 19 23:08
schestowitz> Voice:650.762.6645 | Fax:650.963.3269Jul 19 23:08
schestowitzLet's see what they say.........Jul 19 23:10
schestowitzNothing to lose here.Jul 19 23:10
schestowitzI'd never want to program for them, just do some experiments/papersJul 19 23:13
schestowitz"Thank you for contacting me. Yes, Google tried to employ me twice while I was doing my Ph.D. (once in 2006 and again the following year when I asked them to contact me at a later date as I was not yet done with my research). Will Google be offering opportunities for researchers? My strength is in image analysis and registration, but I am a Web enthusiast too. "Jul 19 23:13
schestowitzThe words Google and Gulag are still similarJul 19 23:17
schestowitzWas it Sergey's idea?Jul 19 23:17
MinceR:DJul 19 23:19
MinceRGooglagJul 19 23:19
schestowitzI'm afraid they'd Gulag me. So if companies like that employ me, an outsider can later show that even $company's own employee is telling off $companyJul 19 23:21
schestowitzThe only solution is not to blogJul 19 23:21
schestowitzMac Asay made fun of Ubuntu in the pastJul 19 23:21
schestowitzMaybe jono tooJul 19 23:21
MinceRthe only winning move is not to play?Jul 19 23:21
schestowitzHe must be like, "OMG, don't listen to old shows or read old posts"Jul 19 23:21
MinceRyeah, asay went pretty abruptly from crApple Über Alles to Canonical Über AllesJul 19 23:22
schestowitzMinceR: me going to full-time job is me handing over techrights to othersJul 19 23:22
MinceRnot necessarilyJul 19 23:22
schestowitz Über-hypocriteJul 19 23:22
schestowitzLike DodgeJul 19 23:22
schestowitzDon DodgeJul 19 23:22
schestowitzMicrosoft pays him, he plays ball for themJul 19 23:22
MinceRyou can tell them up front that if they tell you what to write on TR then they can shove itJul 19 23:22
schestowitzThen Google hires him and he mocks the VOleJul 19 23:23
schestowitzMinceR: that's what I intendJul 19 23:23
schestowitzBut...Jul 19 23:23
schestowitzGoogle is almost as smelly as FBJul 19 23:23
schestowitzIt's a goulagJul 19 23:23
MinceRindeedJul 19 23:23
schestowitzOf dataJul 19 23:23
schestowitzMy mom uses FBJul 19 23:24
MinceR:/Jul 19 23:24
schestowitzAnd she's like using it here on KDE4Jul 19 23:24
schestowitzReading my sisters' friends' messages to herJul 19 23:24
schestowitzStarting to keep track of her daughters communicationJul 19 23:24
schestowitzI mean, WTH?Jul 19 23:24
schestowitzAnd photos being viewed are tracked tooJul 19 23:25
schestowitzSo I keep off that trash siteJul 19 23:25
schestowitzDream job: anti-Microsoft chief at Google :-) :-)Jul 19 23:25
MinceRdream job: leader of the revolutionJul 19 23:26
schestowitzWhich one? The televisedJul 19 23:26
MinceRtelevised, blogged, etc.Jul 19 23:27
schestowitzSocially bookmarkedJul 19 23:27
MinceRballmer and jobs against the wall, etc.Jul 19 23:27
schestowitzBlechJul 19 23:27
schestowitzThat's what a collague used to sayJul 19 23:27
schestowitzWhen I worked for AOLJul 19 23:27
MinceR(but only figuratively)Jul 19 23:27
schestowitzEwww...Jul 19 23:27
schestowitzSteve and SteveJul 19 23:27
MinceR(since a public execution is more viewable if the audience can surround the targets)Jul 19 23:27
schestowitzDoing a DevonJul 19 23:27
MinceRso florian is bought and paid for now?Jul 19 23:50
MinceRhe was the anti-swpatent guy, wasn't he?Jul 19 23:50
ender2070yeah thats a showJul 19 23:51
schestowitzMinceR: he worked for Real MadridJul 19 23:52
schestowitzThen ranted about how it was all corruptJul 19 23:52
ender2070he supported actions against IBM in favour of MSJul 19 23:52
schestowitzMicrosoft has a history of hiring its former criticsJul 19 23:52
schestowitzEsp. lawyersJul 19 23:52
schestowitzIt shuts them up and gives them credibilityJul 19 23:52
schestowitzEd Black at alJul 19 23:53
MinceRicJul 19 23:53
schestowitzGroklaw knows many examplesJul 19 23:53
schestowitzThey "remove them from the gene pool" is how my friend put it to meJul 19 23:53
schestowitzThey tried to hire ESRJul 19 23:53
schestowitzHe wrote backJul 19 23:53
schestowitzIn his blogJul 19 23:53
MinceRESR has a backbone :>Jul 19 23:53
schestowitzhttp://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=208Jul 19 23:54
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MinceR(and an oversized ego)Jul 19 23:54
schestowitzUndersized peckerJul 19 23:54
schestowitzAnd big gun (the real type, not the pecker)Jul 19 23:54
MinceR:DJul 19 23:55
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/images?hl=en&c2coff=1&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&tbs=isch:1&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&gs_rfai=&q=esr%20raymondJul 19 23:55
phIRCe-localTitle: esr raymond - Google Search .::. Size~: 135.36 KBJul 19 23:55
schestowitzI can't find his pic with the ugly girl taking her bra offJul 19 23:55
schestowitzMaybe Goulag censored itJul 19 23:55
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ender2070hey im being brainwashedJul 20 01:23
ender2070btwJul 20 01:23
ender2070Exam 70-620Jul 20 01:23
ender2070and 70-622Jul 20 01:24
schestowitzEverything is brainwashJul 20 01:24
ender2070microsoft certified it professional MCITPJul 20 01:24
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schestowitzI certify Microsoft "incompetent"Jul 20 01:34
schestowitz[01:25] <TechrightsBot> Title: Microsoft: Windows 7 Is Superior to OS X, Linux, and to All Platforms - 9 out of 10 people choose Windows PCs - Softpedia .::. Size~: 51.35 KBJul 20 01:43
schestowitzChoose? Hahahahahah!Jul 20 01:44
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeoXS2oeQtQ&feature=digestJul 20 09:09
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schestowitzRe: I don't use mass-mailersJul 20 18:05
schestowitz> I've never done any mailing to journalists with any kind of automationJul 20 18:06
schestowitz> built in. I may reuse content, which is normal, and I do it by openingJul 20 18:06
schestowitz> one email, editing it, then sending it to another person. But all ofJul 20 18:06
schestowitz> that manually. This way I can add personal notes individually as I see fit.Jul 20 18:06
schestowitz>Jul 20 18:06
schestowitz>Jul 20 18:06
schestowitz>Jul 20 18:06
schestowitz> Since I comment on different topics, I couldn't even use the same listJul 20 18:06
schestowitz> all the time. For an example, if I have Apple-related stuff (HTC lawsuitJul 20 18:06
schestowitz> or whatever), I have some Apple-focused journalists who wouldn't beJul 20 18:06
schestowitz> interested in IBM antitrust matters.Jul 20 18:06
schestowitz>Jul 20 18:06
schestowitz>Jul 20 18:06
schestowitz>Jul 20 18:06
schestowitz> I really don't understand why you try so hard to identify reasons forJul 20 18:07
schestowitz> criticizing the way others operate. There's nothing dishonest aboutJul 20 18:07
schestowitz> sending notes to multiple people. If someone wants to ensure a commentJul 20 18:07
schestowitz> is exclusive, they'll call or ask me to call. That happens from time toJul 20 18:07
schestowitz> time. Or they ask their own questions and request an answer, which IJul 20 18:07
schestowitz> wouldn't send to anyone else obviously. If I send out things at my ownJul 20 18:07
schestowitz> initiative, there's no exclusivity.Jul 20 18:07
schestowitzHi Florian,Jul 20 18:07
schestowitzI think it would only be polite to put the message you have in one message with multiple recipients. People in IRC called what you do "spamming".Jul 20 18:07
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schestowitz> Hi Roy,Jul 20 18:31
schestowitz>Jul 20 18:31
schestowitz> You mean a multiple-recipient email with an undisclosed list of recipients?Jul 20 18:32
schestowitz> Meaning everyone blind-copied or something like that?Jul 20 18:32
schestowitz>Jul 20 18:32
schestowitz> I sometimes get emails, such as from Brussels conference organizers, thatJul 20 18:32
schestowitz> include disclosed lists of recipients and I don't like that.Jul 20 18:32
schestowitz>Jul 20 18:32
schestowitz> I'll think about doing it with a BCC'd list at least for the ones who get itJul 20 18:32
schestowitz> without any personal addition. If I decide to add a sentence or so that'sJul 20 18:32
schestowitz> likely relevant to a particular recipient, then it will have to be anJul 20 18:32
schestowitz> individual email.Jul 20 18:32
schestowitz>Jul 20 18:32
schestowitz> Best regards,Jul 20 18:32
schestowitz>Jul 20 18:32
schestowitz> FlorianJul 20 18:32
ender2070brussels?Jul 20 18:41
ender2070EU dictatorship HQJul 20 18:41
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schestowitzhttp://pookito.status.net/notice/62131 "well, that sucks, mainly after saying that !linux does violate Unix copyrights, then stop and do not lead to any further discussion."Jul 20 23:52
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schestowitz"this is great stuff, people should do more slides like these- i've been wanting to teach python kind of like this http://schestowitz.com/Speaking/2010/July/Threats/ " http://280.status.net/notice/272507Jul 21 07:17
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schestowitz"What I can't believe is workers could by MS Office at discount for home use. Now the workers needs to delete the copy from home. Can you believe that. I am wondering who the copy belongs to, the employees or the company? It seems that it belongs to MS."Jul 21 07:18
schestowitzExactly. And their data is now stuck with the vendor anyway.Jul 21 07:18
schestowitzI wrote the slides in pure HTML/JS and I'm attaching it to this mail.Jul 21 07:31
schestowitzHmm...Jul 21 07:31
schestowitzOught to have made an ODP version too...Jul 21 07:31
schestowitz>  Dr. Roy,Jul 21 07:31
schestowitz>Jul 21 07:31
schestowitz> I hope you enjoyed your break. I miss the site updates but finallyJul 21 07:31
schestowitz> you're back. Please can you email me theJul 21 07:31
schestowitzHmm... maybe we'll have translations to Spanich..Jul 21 07:32
schestowitzGlad my absence was noticed. :-)Jul 21 07:32
schestowitz*SpanishJul 21 07:32
schestowitzThe funny thing is, Novell was going to give a talk next monthJul 21 07:39
schestowitzBut then it saw my name among speakers at the eventJul 21 07:39
schestowitzAnd it changed its mind :-)Jul 21 07:39
ender2070seriously?Jul 21 07:40
ender2070lolJul 21 07:40
ender2070so much for non persons claims you dont go to eventsJul 21 07:40
MinceRniceJul 21 07:41
schestowitzender2070: _Novell_ eventsJul 21 08:06
schestowitzNovell invited me to their event. Why would they do that?Jul 21 08:07
schestowitzhttp://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/07/18/How-to-run-an-App-storeJul 21 08:08
phIRCe-localTitle: ongoing by Tim Bray · How To Sell Apps? .::. Size~: 19.62 KBJul 21 08:08
schestowitzYuck. Android lockinJul 21 08:08
schestowitz"Apps"Jul 21 08:08
ender2070so they can kill you?Jul 21 08:28
ender2070LOLJul 21 08:28
schestowitzI said they'd be rudeJul 21 09:06
schestowitzIn some late night chat on IRC, which they love to citeJul 21 09:06
schestowitzThey were gonna pay for my tickets and stayJul 21 09:06
schestowitzTrolls love to portray their targets as "insane", "paranoid", "conspiracy theorist", etc.Jul 21 09:07
schestowitzPJ too had MOG do this to her by spying on her and coming to her houseJul 21 09:07
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schestowitz"It may be a good idea to make a pdf with the slides and your notes" http://twitter.com/metacode/status/19026540260Jul 21 11:56
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/HendrikRietman/statuses/19067599838 "A certain "Dr." @Schestowitz demonises Prof. Jones and @GMWatch thinks that's great. I believe we shouldn't hit persons, but discuss topics."Jul 21 13:48
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schestowitzBut I wrote so much on the subject before.Jul 21 13:48
schestowitz"Researcher interested in all aspects of agriculture and sustainability, and thus life."Jul 21 13:49
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=schestowitz+monsanto&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8Jul 21 13:51
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schestowitzhttp://industry.bnet.com/financial-services/10009153/one-word-explains-what-caused-the-financial-crisis/?tag=content;selector-perfectorJul 21 14:37
phIRCe-localTitle: One Word Explains What Caused the Financial Crisis: Fraud | BNET Financial Services Blog | BNET .::. Size~: 69.73 KBJul 21 14:37
schestowitzhttp://www.oracle.com/us/technologies/open-source/index.htmJul 21 14:43
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schestowitzooo listedJul 21 14:43
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schestowitzMy cousin just sent me this: http://www.amazon.com/Voodoo-Histories-Conspiracy-Shaping-History/dp/B003A7U910/ref=tmm_aud_title_0Jul 21 15:34
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schestowitz"@schestowitz Probably I tweeted much about Monsanto too http://is.gd/dAGYT  Amazing how much these things get copied over the internet." http://twitter.com/HendrikRietman/status/19075739437Jul 21 15:42
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schestowitz"That is an astonishing amount of hits. What is the key-hit? Probably I might slightly change my opinion after reading that..." http://twitter.com/HendrikRietman/status/19075265139Jul 21 15:43
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schestowitz"Worried about demonising? Check out how Prof Jones describes #GMO critics http://bit.ly/bSrHv8 @Schestowitz" http://twitter.com/GMWatch/status/19068282870Jul 21 15:44
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schestowitz"@HendrikRietman As @GMWatch said, Jones is the one belittling sceptics"Jul 21 15:47
schestowitz"@HendrikRietman You can find info at @GMWatch but papers I likeare  http://www.ijsaf.org/archive/16/1/lotter1.pdf  http://www.ijsaf.org/archive/16/1/lotter2.pdf http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leslie-hatfield/biotech-fail-bad-science_b_211601.html"Jul 21 15:47
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schestowitzThe GMO cartellersJul 21 15:50
schestowitzInteresting dude: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAemCwQ09Xo&feature=digestJul 21 16:48
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schestowitz"Thanks, will have a look into the failure of science and the lack of its integrity. " http://twitter.com/HendrikRietman/statuses/19086960149Jul 21 17:52
schestowitzHuh?Jul 21 17:52
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schestowitzGreat new video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I7TKW_QQbA&feature=digestJul 21 18:21
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ender2070That site you link, powerbase, shows his communist connectionsJul 21 18:30
schestowitzpowerbase is whose site?Jul 21 18:32
schestowitzI can recall seeing powerbase today, can't recall whereJul 21 18:32
ender2070http://www.powerbase.info/index.php?title=Jonathan_JonesJul 21 18:33
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ender2070he's a member of the royal societyJul 21 18:33
schestowitzAh...Jul 21 18:33
schestowitzhttp://www.powerbase.info/index.php?title=Jonathan_Jones#Attacking_GM_criticsJul 21 18:34
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ender2070they work with people from the marxism networkJul 21 18:34
schestowitzlet me update my postJul 21 18:34
ender2070"The RCP has spawned a network, here called the LM network, of political extremists who eulogise technologies like genetic engineering and reproductive cloning and are extremely hostile to their critics, whom they brand as Nazis. What is particularly disturbing is that it is a network which engages in infiltration of media organisations and science-related lobby groups in order to promote its agenda as well asJul 21 18:36
ender2070establishing a string of their own organisations."Jul 21 18:36
ender2070they have people in 'Sense about Science'Jul 21 18:37
schestowitzThis site is underratedJul 21 18:39
schestowitzLittle traffic, good content (see front pageJul 21 18:39
ender2070yes very good contentJul 21 18:45
ender2070makes me look less insane when I talk about communistsJul 21 18:45
schestowitz:-)Jul 21 18:45
ender2070lolJul 21 18:46
ender2070they explain the connections a lot better than i doJul 21 18:48
schestowitzThe Microsoft booster (with a free laptop) calls GPL viral. http://www.itwriting.com/blog/2882-how-infectious-is-the-gpl-battle-of-words-between-wordpress-and-thesis.htmlJul 21 20:51
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ender2070is it him?Jul 21 20:52
schestowitzYes.Jul 21 20:52
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2008/11/09/bribe-for-vista-7-review/Jul 21 20:52
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schestowitzhttp://www.ghabuntu.com/2010/07/what-is-ubuntus-future-plan-if-desktop.html "The COO of Ubuntu's Canonical argues that the desktop OS is virtually dead, replaced by "a new breed of "desktop" platform." He contends that the big players that have our attention like Google and Facebook are increasingly OS agnostic, thus making the base OS more and more irrelevant."Jul 21 20:53
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schestowitzMac AsayJul 21 20:53
schestowitzIf the "Desktop is dead", then Ubuntu is deadJul 21 20:53
MinceRstrangeJul 21 20:54
MinceRasay goes back to boosting crApple?Jul 21 20:54
MinceRbored of the COO position at canonical already?Jul 21 20:54
schestowitzHe uses "shock tactics" to attract an audienceJul 21 20:54
MinceRlol, rPathJul 21 20:54
schestowitz"Future is cloud", "desktop is dead" yada yadaJul 21 20:54
MinceRthat's another extremely sucky distroJul 21 20:54
MinceRwith the worst package manager i've ever usedJul 21 20:54
MinceRconaryJul 21 20:54
schestowitzHe used to sing hypephone praises like thatJul 21 20:55
MinceRincidentally the only package manager that destroyed itself in the first few commandsJul 21 20:55
schestowitzhypephone will replace your wife's thingieJul 21 20:55
MinceRhm, maybe asay is aiming at google now?Jul 21 20:55
schestowitzDon't knowJul 21 20:55
schestowitzThe work with them sometimesJul 21 20:55
schestowitzLet's not bother him too muchJul 21 20:56
schestowitzIt's not constructiveJul 21 20:56
schestowitzThat's why I put it in *-socialJul 21 20:56
schestowitzThe last time you cursed him he came to IRCJul 21 20:56
ender2070ROFLJul 21 20:56
MinceRno, that was a long time agoJul 21 20:57
ender2070did he?Jul 21 20:57
MinceRi keep calling him out for his shit and he just ignores it nowJul 21 20:57
schestowitzHe was a Machead at the timeJul 21 21:00
schestowitzI think you offended his Apple fetishJul 21 21:00
schestowitzHe swtched sectsJul 21 21:00
schestowitzNow, if he only left the Church of Mormon too........Jul 21 21:00
ender2070But Joseph Smith talked to JESUS IN AMERICA!!!11!Jul 21 21:01
ender2070using rune stones!Jul 21 21:01
schestowitzThey have immature things going onJul 21 21:02
schestowitzLike special all-body underwearJul 21 21:02
schestowitzritual garmentsJul 21 21:02
MinceRhe can stick his crApple fetish where the sun doesn't shineJul 21 21:03
MinceRbtw, he still has itJul 21 21:03
MinceRhe went to the distro that copies macos most aggressivelyJul 21 21:03
MinceRafter he was hired, window title bars were fucked up in the default themeJul 21 21:03
MinceRcoincidence? :>Jul 21 21:03
schestowitzI don't know GNOMEJul 21 21:03
schestowitzKDE wasn't broken by defaultJul 21 21:03
schestowitzI last used GNOME quite a while back. It hardly changed (in vanilla form)Jul 21 21:04
ender2070yes it isJul 21 21:05
ender2070because that change was already being decided on when shuttleworth leftJul 21 21:05
MinceRgnome was good while it copied kdeJul 21 21:05
MinceRthen it switched to copying macos and went to shitJul 21 21:05
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MinceRender2070: and what about the new, even more osx-like colors?Jul 21 21:06
ender2070still thereJul 21 21:06
ender2070he came in after that stuffJul 21 21:06
schestowitzIt looks better nowJul 21 21:06
schestowitzThe GNOobs will need to get used to the button positionJul 21 21:06
schestowitzAs long as they don't switch distrosJul 21 21:07
schestowitzIrrational placements like these can make a habitual lock-inJul 21 21:07
MinceRoh, now i rememberJul 21 21:07
MinceRi've read asay praise crApple even after he was hiredJul 21 21:07
MinceRrelatively recently tooJul 21 21:07
MinceRcalling it "innovative" and such ludicrous bullshitJul 21 21:08
schestowitzHe's an OS mormonJul 21 21:08
schestowitzSutor tooJul 21 21:08
schestowitzAnd IIRC Asay linked to Sutor when he said thatJul 21 21:08
schestowitzMark tooJul 21 21:08
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MinceR"OS mormon"? what's that? isn't there an extra 'm' in there?Jul 21 21:09
MinceRyes, it seems more like asay's sucking up to google this timeJul 21 21:22
MinceRmaybe he wants a job thereJul 21 21:23
schestowitzhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODQxOAJul 21 21:24
phIRCe-localTitle: [Phoronix] Intel Can't Ship Their Own Driver With Their MeeGo OS .::. Size~: 19.58 KBJul 21 21:24
ender2070oldJul 21 21:24
schestowitzMinceR: polygamy I meantJul 21 21:24
ender2070thats the rare driver i keep refering to about intelJul 21 21:25
ender2070usually they have open docs and open source driversJul 21 21:25
schestowitzender2070: new to me in some way, just saw a reference in IRC logsJul 21 21:25
ender2070ohhhJul 21 21:25
ender2070i forgot you were goneJul 21 21:26
schestowitzNokia should have stayed loyal to ARMJul 21 21:26
schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/FreeType-2-4-now-free-from-patent-restrictions-1039730.htmlJul 21 21:27
phIRCe-localTitle: FreeType 2.4 now free from patent restrictions - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 33.99 KBJul 21 21:27
ender2070yup :DJul 21 21:27
ender2070truetype is fine nowJul 21 21:27
MinceRintel should have bought that noname company if they wanted to play hardball on driver licensingJul 21 21:27
MinceRand fired the executives responsible for itJul 21 21:27
ender2070does this mean we can bundle Arial ?Jul 21 21:27
MinceRit's probably small fry for intelJul 21 21:28
ender2070and Times New RomanJul 21 21:28
ender2070?Jul 21 21:28
MinceRender2070: probably not about specific fonts, but rendering algorithmsJul 21 21:28
MinceRbesides, why would you want to bundle those two butt-ugly fonts? :>Jul 21 21:28
ender2070I thought those fonts were standardsJul 21 21:28
ender2070they are to publishersJul 21 21:28
ender2070Times New Roman and CourierJul 21 21:28
MinceRwell, a publisher that standardizes on those two deserves to pay license fees for themJul 21 21:29
MinceRor they could get a clue and use some variant of New Century Schoolbook/Computer Modern and Bitstream Vera Sans Mono or a derivativeJul 21 21:30
MinceRhttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rWGOrerO0N8/S6jpqoY5uUI/AAAAAAAAACI/0dKBHgwGlfQ/s1600-h/occam_razor.jpgJul 21 21:30
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ender2070are those clones of Times New Roman or Courier ?Jul 21 21:30
ender2070because if they arent ill piss off an editorJul 21 21:30
MinceRno, they're a serif and a monospace font, respectivelyJul 21 21:31
ender2070their eyes are trained to read those fontsJul 21 21:31
MinceRthey differ from the ones you mentioned in that they aren't uglyJul 21 21:31
ender2070typewriter style spacingJul 21 21:31
ender2070every letter takes up the same spaceJul 21 21:31
MinceRalso, Vera Sans Mono is more readable than CourierJul 21 21:31
MinceRslab serifs are nice too but they're less formal than Times and New Century Schoolbook/Computer Modern :)Jul 21 21:32
MinceRmy favorite serif font is ZapfElliptical711Jul 21 21:32
ender2070i gotta use those I mentioned or exact clonesJul 21 21:32
ender2070http://www.apexbookcompany.com/submissions/Jul 21 21:33
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MinceRthen you'll be doomed to endure Times' ridiculously overemphasized serifs and line width variations forever :>Jul 21 21:33
ender2070they even set the font sizeJul 21 21:33
ender2070this is proper manuscript format: http://www.shunn.net/format/story.htmlJul 21 21:33
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MinceRewJul 21 21:34
ender2070ahh monospacedJul 21 21:34
MinceRugh-leeJul 21 21:34
MinceRalso it's a blast from the pastJul 21 21:34
ender2070it might be ugly but it'll sell your bookJul 21 21:34
MinceRdo these people still use stone tablets and stone axes?Jul 21 21:35
ender2070vs pissing someone off who doesnt care about free dontsJul 21 21:35
ender2070fontsJul 21 21:35
MinceRit's not about free fontsJul 21 21:35
MinceRyou can pay through the nose to Linotype for Melior if you want to :>Jul 21 21:35
MinceRthe "about 1800 words" part is funny tooJul 21 21:37
ender2070whyJul 21 21:37
MinceRit's the third millenniumJul 21 21:37
MinceRyou could have a machine count the words exactlyJul 21 21:38
ender2070did you even read any of that?Jul 21 21:38
ender2070lol it explains whyJul 21 21:38
MinceRi didJul 21 21:38
ender2070they dont want the exact count, its for judging the sizeJul 21 21:38
ender2070its rounded upJul 21 21:38
MinceRit reeks of being stuck in the past :>Jul 21 21:38
ender2070i could self publish and never get any moneyJul 21 21:38
MinceRi create software instead :>Jul 21 21:39
ender2070:PJul 21 21:39
ender2070I like to writeJul 21 21:39
schestowitzCopyrright is dyingJul 21 21:40
schestowitzFind something else to offerJul 21 21:40
schestowitzI might start lecturing soonJul 21 21:40
ender2070copyright isnt dyingJul 21 21:40
schestowitzhttp://www.digitalproductions.co.uk/index.php?id=250Jul 21 21:40
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schestowitz"Copyright is history. Lawyers can read it and weep."Jul 21 21:41
schestowitz"It’s time someone noticed the nails keeping copyright upright upon its perch."Jul 21 21:41
MinceRthe people who are holding to copyrights, DRM, m$ and crApple get older every dayJul 21 21:41
MinceRthey'll inevitably die one dayJul 21 21:41
ender2070says Prof BentlyJul 21 21:41
MinceRand with them, their bullshit ideas will also die :>Jul 21 21:41
schestowitzOther do tooJul 21 21:41
schestowitzEconomics change with the NetJul 21 21:41
schestowitz0-cost sharingJul 21 21:41
ender2070well if copyright dies, microsoft can take every line of linux code and use it in windows, never tell anyone and make profitJul 21 21:42
schestowitzMy uncle who used to run a photo shop had to make a career changeJul 21 21:42
schestowitzAt age ~55Jul 21 21:42
ender2070open source would dieJul 21 21:42
ender2070so would free softwareJul 21 21:42
schestowitzThey can change copyrightJul 21 21:42
MinceRm$ will die before they can do thatJul 21 21:42
ender2070having no copyright is worse than the bsd licenseJul 21 21:42
schestowitz"Old-style copyright to die.."Jul 21 21:42
ender2070well im all for copyright reformJul 21 21:43
MinceRif we get our way, even copyleft will become obsolete eventuallyJul 21 21:43
ender2070im not about to kill the only weapon protecting the GPLJul 21 21:43
MinceRif m$ loses its hold on installed base and market share, they won't be able to force their shit on anyone, regardless of how much free software they steal to hack it togetherJul 21 21:43
MinceRender2070: there's no hurryJul 21 21:44
ender2070killing copyright gives companies a legal right to take open source code and make it proprietaryJul 21 21:44
ender2070not just msJul 21 21:44
ender2070any companyJul 21 21:44
MinceRonce the practice in the industry is to make everything free, they'll be disincentivized to do thatJul 21 21:45
schestowitzAsk an employee to leak the sources to youJul 21 21:45
schestowitzThen use themJul 21 21:45
schestowitzNo violationJul 21 21:45
MinceR"you mean i can't fix your product if your company goes under? no thanks."Jul 21 21:45
schestowitzCompanies should sell servicesJul 21 21:46
schestowitzAnd customisationsJul 21 21:46
ender2070what about people creating art?Jul 21 21:46
ender2070they need to get new jobs now?Jul 21 21:46
schestowitzEverythijg is copyingJul 21 21:46
schestowitzOur brain just copies things, that's how it worksJul 21 21:46
MinceRthere already are working ways of people making art profiting without selling licensesJul 21 21:47
ender2070as long as we're killing jobs, lets just make everything freeJul 21 21:47
MinceRthere was a presentation about the fashion industry, for exampleJul 21 21:47
MinceRthey practically don't have copyrightJul 21 21:48
schestowitzEven without (c) you need devsJul 21 21:48
schestowitzAnd people will pay for someJul 21 21:48
ender2070what about booksJul 21 21:48
schestowitzTo fix/hack on codeJul 21 21:48
ender2070how do you support a book you give away for freeJul 21 21:49
ender2070its not hard to readJul 21 21:49
schestowitzPeople read books?!!Jul 21 21:49
ender2070yesJul 21 21:49
schestowitzMehJul 21 21:49
ender2070smart people do anywaysJul 21 21:49
schestowitzIn Korea, old people read booksJul 21 21:49
MinceR+onlyJul 21 21:50
ender2070i think you guys are nuts if you think a bunch of poor freeloaders are going to change copyright law when millions are being spent to buy politiciansJul 21 21:50
ender2070it should be shortened not eliminatedJul 21 21:51
ender2070even RMS would agreeJul 21 21:51
ender2070http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/pirate-party-and-free-softwareJul 21 21:52
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ender2070"Because free software currently relies on copyleft to protect software freedom, while proprietary software has other means beyond copyright to keep users restricted (like patents and EULAs), eliminating copyright would protect proprietary software and hurt free software. Users would never get to have the source code of the proprietary software, while proprietary software companies would be able to openly pillageJul 21 21:52
ender2070from the free world."Jul 21 21:52
ender2070-RMSJul 21 21:52
MinceRlike i said, that also depends on industry practicesJul 21 21:53
MinceRremember when unix was effectively free software even though no FS licenses existed?Jul 21 21:53
ender2070nopeJul 21 21:53
ender2070i dont remember thatJul 21 21:53
ender2070it never happened iircJul 21 21:54
MinceRafaik it didJul 21 21:54
ender2070AT&T vs BSDJul 21 21:54
ender2070now mac asay is gonna show upJul 21 22:17
MinceRlolJul 21 22:17
MinceRmy thoughts exactlyJul 21 22:17
schestowitzhttp://tirania.org/blog/archive/2010/Jul-17-1.htmlJul 21 22:20
phIRCe-localTitle: Microsoft Licensing Changes for IronRuby and IronPython - Miguel de Icaza .::. Size~: 13.65 KBJul 21 22:21
MinceRm$ retreating?Jul 21 22:28
schestowitzMaybe embracing ApacheJul 21 22:42
schestowitz'embracing;Jul 21 22:42
MinceR(flash) (game) http://www.redditmedia.com/ads/reddit-fun-2Jul 21 23:05
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MinceRcould beJul 21 23:05
schestowitzhttp://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2010/07/21/back-from-london/Jul 21 23:14
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vR97p95xpM&feature=digestJul 21 23:58
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schestowitzShockingJul 21 23:58
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi9YQWsp2jc&feature=digestJul 22 00:13
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ender2070pwnageos is buildingJul 22 00:17
ender2070ill be back laterJul 22 00:17
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ender2070this might sound crazy cause you guys probably dont listen to conspiracy theoriesJul 22 05:24
ender2070actually nvm, i dont want to mention himJul 22 05:25
ender2070if he really is OTO though, it could have implications and connection to microsoftJul 22 05:26
ender2070anyways, what do you guys think of aseigo using opensuse?Jul 22 05:26
ender2070:(Jul 22 05:26
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MinceRi think itJul 22 06:48
MinceRi think it's sadJul 22 06:48
ender2070??Jul 22 06:49
ender2070yeah opensuse is sadJul 22 06:49
schestowitz> Thanks I'll try to make it as ODP && send it back to you for review.Jul 22 07:10
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schestowitzhttp://www.nerdlogger.com/2010/07/if-youre-queen-fan-watch-thisyoull-pee.htmlJul 22 08:16
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwiYjQyu0Tw&feature=channelJul 22 09:18
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MinceRtroll alert :>Jul 22 13:20
MinceRtroll vs troll match just started :>Jul 22 13:25
MinceRoiaohm: sure, he's ok for a m$ apologistJul 22 13:35
oiaohmHe is a coder.Jul 22 13:35
MinceRso?Jul 22 13:36
MinceRm$ has lots of code monkeysJul 22 13:36
MinceRthey hack up line noise without the first clue about what it doesJul 22 13:36
oiaohmAnd also complain about MS complier faults.Jul 22 13:36
oiaohmHe is not 100 percent MS friendly.Jul 22 13:36
oiaohmJust give him time.Jul 22 13:37
MinceRoh wowJul 22 13:37
MinceRthe old "i like linux BUT" routine works on you?Jul 22 13:37
MinceRevery time he defended those criminals because he works for them.Jul 22 13:37
oiaohmHas done code on reactos.Jul 22 13:37
MinceRoh wowJul 22 13:38
oiaohmSo he does put it effort where he beliefs are.Jul 22 13:38
MinceRthat's really far from m$Jul 22 13:38
oiaohmIe not a trollJul 22 13:38
MinceRriiiiightJul 22 13:38
MinceRlol, diablo flip-flops like a... flip-flop.Jul 22 14:16
schestowitzhttp://youtu.be/hTUon6st8N0Jul 22 15:08
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schestowitzJoeh works for MicrosoftJul 22 15:25
schestowitzMaybe sackedJul 22 15:26
MinceRhe still has access to their network, thoughJul 22 15:27
MinceRhe's from m$ NATJul 22 15:27
schestowitz[13:38] <Joeh> You think stuff like BSD is too open? :pJul 22 15:29
schestowitzMinceR: and JustSuds?Jul 22 15:30
schestowitz[13:39] * JustSuds hates javaJul 22 15:30
MinceRa m$ apologistJul 22 15:34
MinceRnot sure if just fanboy or slaveJul 22 15:34
schestowitzOne leads to the otherJul 22 15:35
MinceRif m$ wants to employ them, that isJul 22 15:35
schestowitz[15:27] <MinceR> he's from m$ NATJul 22 15:35
MinceRmiguel had a hard time getting a job at m$Jul 22 15:36
schestowitzSo he's misusing company resources?Jul 22 15:36
MinceRnot necessarilyJul 22 15:36
MinceRhe might be paid to astroturfJul 22 15:36
MinceRor encouraged to do so in work hoursJul 22 15:36
schestowitzShould we do a post about it?Jul 22 15:36
MinceRi doubt it's worth itJul 22 15:36
schestowitzSaying that <name> uses company computers to troll Linux IRC forums?Jul 22 15:36
MinceRlolJul 22 15:37
schestowitzLike BarktoJul 22 15:37
MinceRdunnoJul 22 15:37
schestowitz'Steve'Jul 22 15:37
schestowitzMinceR: I could phrase it nicelyJul 22 15:37
schestowitzIn a folksy wayJul 22 15:37
schestowitzLike, Microsoft is so friendly... they even pay people a wage to hang out with Linux advocatesJul 22 15:37
MinceRcould be niceJul 22 15:37
schestowitzAnd diss JavaJul 22 15:37
schestowitzand promote Mono and stuff :-)Jul 22 15:38
schestowitzHow can you tell it's MS NAT?Jul 22 15:38
MinceR142631 [freenode] -!- Joeh [~joehega@nat/microsoft/x-lvznnafzrgjjfbxv]Jul 22 15:38
MinceRfreenode knowsJul 22 15:38
schestowitzHe also uses different nymsJul 22 15:39
schestowitzOh, I see...Jul 22 15:39
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*MinceR is tempted to go with that suggestionJul 22 16:37
MinceRa nice ban on *!*@nat/microsoft/*Jul 22 16:37
schestowitzNo, no..Jul 22 16:38
schestowitzIt'll be used against usJul 22 16:38
schestowitzTo say we shut up opposition, not just trolls/abuseJul 22 16:38
MinceRnot inviting opposition into our (somewhat private) discussions is none of their damn businessJul 22 16:38
MinceRif i talk privately with a friend, do i have to let m$ apologists chime in?Jul 22 16:39
schestowitzWait thoughJul 22 16:41
schestowitzLet me do a post about it tomorrowJul 22 16:41
schestowitzThen see how he reactsJul 22 16:41
MinceR:)Jul 22 16:44
ender2070he?Jul 22 18:10
ender2070oh okJul 22 18:17
ender2070i checked out the historyJul 22 18:17
MinceRwho manufactures macbooks?Jul 22 18:32
schestowitzassembles?Jul 22 18:34
MinceRdunnoJul 22 18:34
schestowitzOnly the BIOS is different/missingJul 22 18:34
schestowitzhypePhone4 costs like $200 to makeJul 22 18:34
schestowitzProbably less if you leave out patents (artificial cost/tax)Jul 22 18:35
ender2070are you kiddingJul 22 18:37
ender2070its way cheaper than thatJul 22 18:37
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pESOSI2hTA&feature=relatedJul 22 18:37
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube- Know Your Meme: YouTube Troll Bait .::. Size~: 126.29 KBJul 22 18:37
ender2070omgJul 22 18:43
ender2070I know a Cannibal Troll!Jul 22 18:43
schestowitzHmm... good channel... subscribed now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVB0MBi_VkE&feature=channelJul 22 18:45
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ender2070subscribed?Jul 22 18:46
ender2070you know now Google is watching what you like!Jul 22 18:46
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSJw-mB44rc&feature=channelJul 22 18:52
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schestowitzender2070: I knowJul 22 18:52
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYsi7Ro9ljQ&feature=channelJul 22 18:56
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube- Know Your Meme: Om Nom Nom .::. Size~: 120.43 KBJul 22 18:56
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8cirsLZy3g&feature=channelJul 22 18:58
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schestowitzhehe. I love that old clipJul 22 18:59
schestowitzHm... the Goulag [sic] wants me to write? Let's see what's there ... :-/Jul 22 19:30
schestowitz> Hi Roy,Jul 22 19:30
schestowitz>Jul 22 19:30
schestowitz> We do hire researchers but I was reaching out regarding the sameJul 22 19:30
schestowitz> position you interviewed for previously:Jul 22 19:30
schestowitz>Jul 22 19:30
schestowitz> http://www.google.com/intl/en/jobs/uslocations/mountain-view/engops/sre/unix-system-applications-administrator-google-com-mountain-view/index.htmlJul 22 19:30
phIRCe-localTitle: Unix System/Applications Administrator, Google.com - Mountain View - US jobs - Google .::. Size~: 7.84 KBJul 22 19:30
schestowitz>Jul 22 19:30
schestowitz> Besides exploring research roles, do you remain interested in the SRE team?Jul 22 19:30
schestowitzThe SRE team was never a good fit for me due to my professional background and especially training.Jul 22 19:30
schestowitz Jul 22 19:30
schestowitz> I also see that you've done a fair amount of technical writingJul 22 19:30
schestowitz> <http://www.google.com/intl/en/jobs/search/index.html#q=writer>.  WeJul 22 19:30
phIRCe-localTitle: Search US openings - US jobs - Google .::. Size~: 4.34 KBJul 22 19:30
schestowitz> could explore that direction as well.Jul 22 19:30
schestowitzThat seems like the right direction to go in and I am willing to explore it. I've spent the past 4-5 years with writing activities (for news sites prior to my own sites growing in terms of impact).Jul 22 19:30
schestowitz Jul 22 19:30
schestowitz> Let me know what you think and if you'd like, we can speak on the phoneJul 22 19:30
schestowitz> to discuss.Jul 22 19:30
schestowitzMy phone number is +44 844 544 2580. I think it would be helpful if we spoke.Jul 22 19:30
schestowitzIt's the third time they come to /me/. I never applied for any job at GoogleJul 22 19:31
MinceRgoogle loves youJul 22 19:56
MinceRor wants to silence you with money :>Jul 22 19:56
schestowitzI actually plan to just carry on Techrights. I'm not looking for jobsJul 22 20:08
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdMlA-EayF4&NR=1Jul 22 20:24
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube- Know Your Meme: Numa Numa .::. Size~: 123.51 KBJul 22 20:24
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schestowitzTheJul 23 07:33
schestowitz> It was great go through it! I've felt like I was there. It was awesome.Jul 23 07:33
schestowitz> Please review it, and tell me if I have to fix anything before IJul 23 07:33
schestowitz> translate it to Spanish.Jul 23 07:33
schestowitzWow. That's just excellent. Mind if we upload both EN and SP version to the site? Other people did ask for a PDF of it too.Jul 23 07:33
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schestowitzNice....http://tinyogg.com/watch/9SXWS/Jul 23 11:05
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schestowitzhttp://tinyogg.com/watch/slFRl/ Apple PRJul 23 11:23
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schestowitzOd..........Jul 23 12:31
schestowitzQuote=========Jul 23 12:31
schestowitz>> Virtual desktop unleashedJul 23 12:31
schestowitz>> >> Didn't these used to be known a thin clients ?Jul 23 12:31
schestowitz>> >> <a href="http://whitepapers.theregister.co.uk/paper/watch/1611">Jul 23 12:31
phIRCe-localTitle: 400 Bad Request .::. Size~: 0.33 KBJul 23 12:31
schestowitz> > "GoneJul 23 12:31
schestowitzCurious ...Jul 23 12:31
schestowitz"virtual desktops", a PC with masses of RAM and no harddrive thatJul 23 12:31
schestowitzdownloads an OS image each time you boot and then gets flushed atJul 23 12:31
schestowitzshutdown. Updates are automatic and no malware etc. Reminds me ofJul 23 12:31
schestowitzNovell Netware providing a Win3.1 image to the desktop and remotelyJul 23 12:31
schestowitzmappable drives.Jul 23 12:31
schestowitzAs in you had Drives X, Y and Z providing DOS, Win3.1 and the Apps andJul 23 12:32
schestowitza drive G: for home drive. Back to the future I guess. A good titleJul 23 12:32
schestowitzfor an article.Jul 23 12:32
schestowitzvirtual desktops - back to the future.Jul 23 12:32
schestowitz-------Jul 23 12:32
schestowitz[Add your own comments to the above and post as your next article.Jul 23 12:32
schestowitzDon't just cut-and-past. Or else we could engage in a back-and-forthJul 23 12:32
schestowitzquestion-and-answer session and the contents of which could lead to anJul 23 12:32
schestowitzarticle. Don't just cut-and-paste what I say in an email]Jul 23 12:32
schestowitzQuote=========Jul 23 12:32
oiaohmThose novell network win3.1 images were highly dependable things.Jul 23 13:27
oiaohmI worked on networks with them.Jul 23 13:27
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/42792818#notice-43199721 "Ok, but I'd rather work with Novell to put the name in hands of an openSUSE foundation or something, renaming sucks..."Jul 23 14:08
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schestowitz"Besides, I'd also rather allow money making with openSUSE, not by devs themselves but by some companies in the ecosystem."Jul 23 14:09
schestowitzHe keeps messaging me about pardoning NovellJul 23 14:09
schestowitzThis is hilarious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8eE6k5ktYo&feature=channelJul 23 14:11
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schestowitz> Don't quote me, write your own material and verify it ... Sell a bunchJul 23 15:51
schestowitz> of block-future-licenses to the OEMS, don't yet get the money and putJul 23 15:51
schestowitz> that on the plus side of the balance sheet. Remember Apple doesn'tJul 23 15:51
schestowitz> have OEMs so don't get to play that particular shuffle.Jul 23 15:51
schestowitz> ---------Jul 23 15:51
schestowitz>Jul 23 15:51
schestowitz> "Microsoft posts record quarterly revenues of $16bn"Jul 23 15:51
schestowitz>Jul 23 15:51
schestowitz> http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jul/23/microsoft-posts-record-revenuesJul 23 15:51
phIRCe-localTitle:  Microsoft posts record quarterly revenues of $16bn | Business | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 133.1 KBJul 23 15:51
schestowitz>Jul 23 15:51
schestowitz> "The company's $2.25 billion in short-term debt and $3.75 billion inJul 23 15:51
schestowitz> long-term debt, combined, is less than its $8 billion cash hoard"Jul 23 15:51
schestowitz>Jul 23 15:51
schestowitz> That means revenue isn't really $16bn but $10bn and combined with fakeJul 23 15:51
schestowitz> OEM-futures isn't an accurate picture. Don't just cut-and-paste myJul 23 15:51
schestowitz> words, do your own research and write your own material ...Jul 23 15:51
schestowitz>Jul 23 15:51
schestowitz> http://www.financial-gauges.com/2010/05/msft-financial-gauge-analysis-for-march.htmlJul 23 15:51
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schestowitz>Jul 23 15:51
schestowitz> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=msftJul 23 15:51
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schestowitzRe: Presentation SlidesJul 23 16:22
schestowitz>  That's what is for. I'm happy I put my grain of sand. I'll make them asJul 23 16:22
schestowitz> pdfs too.Jul 23 16:22
schestowitzThanks. I look forward to it!Jul 23 16:22
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/42938722#notice-43236570Jul 23 17:32
schestowitz"@schestowitz Why introduce dirty tactics? Why can't they compete a good, proper, fair *cough* Sorry, this IS microsoft."Jul 23 17:32
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schestowitzMinceR: did you see how the post scared Joe away?Jul 23 19:53
MinceRi wasn't hereJul 23 21:59
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schestowitzhttp://tinyogg.com/watch/GJbpC/Jul 24 07:51
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schestowitzhttp://compgroups.net/comp.os.linux.advocacy/Anyone-Actually-Read-Schestowitz-s-BlogJul 24 08:15
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oiaohmHmmJul 24 09:29
oiaohmNow why do they keep on trying to play us as the devil.Jul 24 09:29
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/43075521#notice-43373099 "love your bug photos (my macro bugs always have some bits out of focus or blurred)"Jul 24 10:23
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schestowitzI get almost all my photos from http://www.sxc.hu/browse.phtmlJul 24 10:24
phIRCe-localTitle: stock.xchng - the leading free stock photography site .::. Size~: 46.18 KBJul 24 10:24
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/43078713#notice-43376393 "aww... not creeping round the garden with the camera at the ready?  When not using my own photos i use !cc licensed for reuse"Jul 24 10:44
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schestowitzhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/07/only-03-of-files-on-bit-torrent-confirmed-to-be-legal.arsJul 24 13:19
phIRCe-localTitle: Only 0.3% of files on BitTorrent confirmed to be legal .::. Size~: 28.86 KBJul 24 13:19
schestowitzhttp://blog.seattlepi.com/theethicist/bio.asp#bio160367Jul 24 15:37
schestowitz"I lived alone on the streets of Los Angeles at 16. I joined the US Navy at 19 and was part of a program to defeat the USSR."Jul 24 15:37
phIRCe-localTitle: The Ethicist .::. Size~: 44.1 KBJul 24 15:37
schestowitzTypical for the army to pick people from the streetsJul 24 15:37
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/new?replyto=openuniverse&inreplyto=43528058 "people should dump hp"Jul 25 06:16
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schestowitzhttp://280.status.net/notice/288333 "worst case of that ever- besides asus- is that walmart (who i've been boycotting for 10 years) was selling really inexpensive desktops- 100 to 200 dollars maybe? (?) and they had gnu/linux on them. they put a stop to THAT quickly as possible #scum #antitrust #banmsft"Jul 25 06:17
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schestowitzyes, we have the exhibits to prove it too http://techrights.org/2009/01/22/microsoft-taskforce-vs-walmart-linux/ http://techrights.org/2009/06/03/sub-notebooks-linux-taskforces/Jul 25 06:18
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schestowitzhttp://280.status.net/notice/288433 "it's a good feature to ax- it could be done with a bot (i could write such a bot today) for those that really want the feature, but fewer people should use it rt @schestowitz What's with Identica's "Will follow back all those who follow me"? This is being abused by spammers in..."Jul 25 08:16
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MinceRhttp://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/07/22/super-heroes-vs-the-westboro-baptist-church/Jul 25 13:40
phIRCe-localTitle: Super Heroes vs. the Westboro Baptist Church - ComicsAlliance | Comics culture, news, humor, commentary, and reviews .::. Size~: 87.93 KBJul 25 13:40
schestowitzLOLJul 25 14:03
schestowitzWitty campaignJul 25 14:03
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/BlackOtakuJul 25 14:13
schestowitz"Jul 25 14:13
phIRCe-localTitle: Avichi Suite (BlackOtaku) on Twitter .::. Size~: 44.06 KBJul 25 14:13
schestowitz#    Wanna be disturbed? Google 'Ballnux'. The ignorance displayed in those results are jarring.     about 3 hours ago  via identicaJul 25 14:13
schestowitz# Oh not to mention The-Evil-Programming-Language-That-Is-Not-To-Be-Named, is well, evil. Yeah. Satan invented it. Right. #Mono #Linux #Ugh about 3 hours ago via Twitter for AndroidJul 25 14:13
schestowitz# Meanwhile, he calls the #Banshee music player evil and OpenSUSE 'OpenBallnux' on his blog. Wtf? #Linux about 3 hours ago via Twitter for AndroidJul 25 14:13
schestowitz# To articles not on his site most of the time; credible sources). about 3 hours ago via Twitter for AndroidJul 25 14:13
schestowitz# Honestly, every now and again Schestowitz informs me of something interesting that I didn't know (it's telling though, that they are links about 3 hours ago via Twitter for AndroidJul 25 14:13
schestowitz# Why in hell do I follow you? RT @schestowitz Hmmm... I've just googled "novell" & Techrights is result #5. Not so good for Novell, I think.Jul 25 14:13
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schestowitzhttp://www.wwtdd.com/2010/07/katy-perry-is-in-a-bikini/katy_perry_bikini_bahamas_5/Jul 25 21:22
phIRCe-localTitle: katy perry is in a bikini katy_perry_bikini_bahamas_5 - What Would Tyler Durden Do .::. Size~: 107.53 KBJul 25 21:22
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schestowitzMono boostersJul 26 06:37
schestowitz"@directhex yea, that's how #boycottboy got his. a lot of people are pretty desperate to be liked (or make believe they are liked)." http://twitter.com/jstedfast/statuses/19525953885Jul 26 06:37
phIRCe-localTitle: Twitter / Jeffrey Stedfast: @directhex yea, that's how ... .::. Size~: 8.54 KBJul 26 06:37
schestowitzNow sure how to use identica.... http://280.status.net/notice/291063Jul 26 06:44
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schestowitzhttp://tinyogg.com/watch/qu0MI/Jul 26 09:47
phIRCe-localTitle: TinyOgg - Watch: Most important news propaganda fact .::. Size~: 5.04 KBJul 26 09:47
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schestowitzhttp://280.status.net/notice/291958 "@schestowitz  OMG too many! way too many for one post/page http://techrights.org/2010/07/26/july-foss-catchup/"Jul 26 12:06
phIRCe-localTitle: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Monday, 26-Jul-10 10:50:12 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 8.26 KBJul 26 12:06
phIRCe-localTitle: Links 26/7/2010: Last Catch-up With Free/Open Source Software News | Techrights .::. Size~: 110.45 KBJul 26 12:06
schestowitzI wonder how I should post them instead thenJul 26 12:07
schestowitzhttp://280.status.net/notice/292020 "not criticizing the method! that particular example just took it farther than the others by... that was freakin' enormous and goes against all conventions for page design. even if that was put under 2, 3 links on identi.ca instead of 1, much better"Jul 26 12:23
phIRCe-localTitle: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Monday, 26-Jul-10 11:12:02 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 8.27 KBJul 26 12:23
schestowitzHmmmm...Jul 26 12:23
schestowitzAll right then, I guess I'll post links more often then and make this a lot shorterJul 26 12:27
schestowitzMind control in the West: http://tinyogg.com/watch/HehCg/Jul 26 12:31
phIRCe-localTitle: TinyOgg - Watch: Mira - Dame pa' Matala .::. Size~: 5.01 KBJul 26 12:31
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/43456115#notice-43757185 "sounds like typical MS programming ;-)"Jul 26 12:44
phIRCe-localTitle: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.2 KBJul 26 12:44
oiaohm_Maybe we are to the point of wiki page for monthly catcups.  schestowitzJul 26 13:19
schestowitzthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb7lhUNqHsgJul 26 13:35
phIRCe-localTitle: YouTube- Islam - The Religion Of Peace? .::. Size~: 122.19 KBJul 26 13:35
schestowitzoiaohm_: what do you mean?Jul 26 13:35
oiaohm_I put it badly as normal.  Most of the space is the quotes.  Wiki page was the wrong way to put it.  Html with folding sections.  schestowitzJul 26 13:39
oiaohm_Question can word press to folded stuff that appears as user clicks on.Jul 26 13:44
schestowitzI suppose I could make use of some JavaScriptJul 26 14:09
schestowitzHover on or click onJul 26 14:09
oiaohm_Not really ideal  schestowitzJul 26 14:10
oiaohm_I just suggest a bad idea of folding more I think more problems it will cause.  schestowitzJul 26 14:11
oiaohm_Have you checked the ip range of the attack.Jul 26 14:22
oiaohm_Is it a Microsoft IP range that could be just blocked out.Jul 26 14:22
schestowitzI can't see the IPJul 26 14:30
schestowitzIt comes via the proxyJul 26 14:30
schestowitzoiaohm_: I tried phoning tessierJul 26 16:18
schestowitzI think he's asleepJul 26 16:18
schestowitzEither way, some pages are still served sometimesJul 26 16:18
schestowitzThose bastards cost me hours so far todayJul 26 16:18
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/43487332#notice-43789868 "It seems to be a lot easier to access the site now"Jul 26 16:19
phIRCe-localTitle: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.03 KBJul 26 16:19
schestowitzYeah, because I constantly watch it and occasionally restart it, which costs me hours and leads to frustrationJul 26 16:20
schestowitzHmmm... I'll say this to him......Jul 26 16:20
schestowitz*sigh*Jul 26 16:20
schestowitzOh gosh, the zombies/bots are back...Jul 26 17:11
schestowitzGrrrrrrrrrr.....Jul 26 17:11
ender2070I've been getting bots on my site tooJul 26 18:24
ender2070spam bots mostlyJul 26 18:24
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schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/11/israel-academics-bds-boycottJul 26 19:12
phIRCe-localTitle:  Israeli academics hit back over bid to pass law that would criminalise them | World news | The Observer  .::. Size~: 73.3 KBJul 26 19:12
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jul/11/editorial-haiti-aidJul 26 19:13
phIRCe-localTitle:  We have abandoned the Haitians | editorial | Comment is free | The Observer  .::. Size~: 158.99 KBJul 26 19:13
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jul/08/muir-russell-climategate-climate-scienceJul 26 19:19
phIRCe-localTitle:  Climategate scientists cleared of manipulating data on global warming | Environment | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 82.26 KBJul 26 19:19
schestowitzhttp://news.illinois.edu/news/10/0701happiness.html+Jul 26 19:22
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schestowitzhttp://news.illinois.edu/news/10/0701happiness.htmlJul 26 19:22
phIRCe-localTitle: Can money buy happiness? Gallup poll asks, and the world answers | News Bureau | University of Illinois .::. Size~: 20.48 KBJul 26 19:22
schestowitz"Israeli hawks that urge to strike preventive blows on Iranian nuclear objects have found a radical ally in the Arab world." http://english.pravda.ru/world/asia/114175-arab_world_iran-0Jul 26 19:25
phIRCe-localTitle: Arab World Supports War Against Iran?  - Pravda.Ru .::. Size~: 33.02 KBJul 26 19:25
schestowitzStill pushing for warsJul 26 19:25
schestowitzhttp://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/a-peace-crime-1.301190Jul 26 19:37
phIRCe-localTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 200 ok .::. Size~: 0 KBJul 26 19:37
schestowitzHawksJul 26 19:37
schestowitz"Assad's words should have been headline news last week and in the coming weeks. Anwar Sadat said less before he came to Israel. In those days we were excited by his words, today we brazenly disregard such statements."Jul 26 19:37
schestowitzhttp://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1279370237Jul 26 19:38
phIRCe-localTitle: A Parliamentary Mob - Gush Shalom - Israeli Peace Bloc .::. Size~: 29.95 KBJul 26 19:38
schestowitzyuhong came just to divert attacks to IBM/LinuxJul 26 19:45
schestowitzPR bunnies from the Microsoft proxy.Jul 26 19:53
schestowitz> Dear Roy,Jul 26 19:53
schestowitz>Jul 26 19:53
schestowitz>Jul 26 19:53
schestowitz>Jul 26 19:53
schestowitz> My name is Colleen Toumayan and I am the PR Manager at DiskeeperJul 26 19:53
schestowitz> Corporation.Jul 26 19:53
schestowitz>Jul 26 19:53
schestowitz>Jul 26 19:53
schestowitz>Jul 26 19:53
schestowitz> Diskeeper Corporation has just released a new version of its virtualJul 26 19:53
schestowitz> platform disk optimizer, V-locity 2.0.Jul 26 19:53
schestowitz>Jul 26 19:53
schestowitz> The complete press release is below.  If you would like I can also sendJul 26 19:53
schestowitz> the product.Jul 26 19:53
schestowitz>Jul 26 19:53
schestowitz>Jul 26 19:53
schestowitz>Jul 26 19:53
schestowitz> I also wanted to see if you have plans on attending VMworld at the endJul 26 19:53
schestowitz> of August.  If you are attending, it would be great to meet.Jul 26 19:53
schestowitz>Jul 26 19:53
schestowitz>Jul 26 19:53
schestowitz>Jul 26 19:53
schestowitz> I look forward to hearing from you.Jul 26 19:53
schestowitz>Jul 26 19:53
schestowitz>Jul 26 19:53
schestowitz>Jul 26 19:53
schestowitz> Best,Jul 26 19:53
schestowitz>Jul 26 19:53
schestowitz> ColleenJul 26 19:53
schestowitzNo idea why they took my address at allJul 26 19:53
schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1723472/lenovo-release-android-tabletJul 26 20:00
phIRCe-localTitle:                     Lenovo will release an android tablet by year end - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 54.61 KBJul 26 20:00
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schestowitzI won't be able to sleep well. I need to watch and interact with the server because of the bots that attack otJul 26 22:11
schestowitz*itJul 26 22:11
schestowitzIf I go to bed, the site may fall offline for hoursJul 26 22:11
MinceRwhat's ender butthurt about?Jul 26 22:17
schestowitzsee #techrightsJul 26 22:24
schestowitz[23:09] <tessier> The load seems to fluctuate a bit but the site remains responsive. I'll keep an eye on it. I need to step away for about 30 minutes but I'll be back and look in on the server again.Jul 26 23:10
schestowitz[23:10] <schestowitz> Thanks a lot!Jul 26 23:10
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schestowitzhttp://280.status.net/notice/295444 "yeah but this is STATUS, you know? every hour they hit your site is an hour of glory, and it will be sorted eventually, then it's free advertising- most webby award winners don't get ddos'ed, eh?"Jul 27 10:40
phIRCe-localTitle: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Tuesday, 27-Jul-10 09:28:48 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 7.98 KBJul 27 10:40
schestowitzhttp://280.status.net/notice/295491 "pay twice, give them incentive to get it wrong more often! msft should have a business method patent on this.."Jul 27 11:35
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schestowitz> Hi, Roy,Jul 27 15:35
schestowitz>Jul 27 15:35
schestowitz> Techrights has been unavailable quite often the last few days. SometimesJul 27 15:35
schestowitz> when it's unavailable there is a proxy/cache error, like this one:Jul 27 15:35
schestowitz>Jul 27 15:35
schestowitz>     Error 503 Service UnavailableJul 27 15:35
schestowitz>Jul 27 15:35
schestowitz>     Service UnavailableJul 27 15:35
schestowitz>     Guru Meditation:Jul 27 15:35
schestowitz>Jul 27 15:35
schestowitz>     XID: 183865966Jul 27 15:35
schestowitz>     Varnish cache serverJul 27 15:35
schestowitz>Jul 27 15:35
schestowitz> More often, attempts to connect just time out.Jul 27 15:35
schestowitz>Jul 27 15:35
schestowitz> Here's a traceroute if that helps anything.Jul 27 15:35
schestowitzNice video: http://tinyogg.com/watch/uXDzg/Jul 27 16:14
phIRCe-localTitle: TinyOgg - Watch: Os novos 10 mandamentos - Christopher Hitchens .::. Size~: 5.26 KBJul 27 16:14
schestowitzhttp://tinyogg.com/watch/xVxZn/Jul 27 16:24
phIRCe-localTitle: TinyOgg - Watch: Student Sues For Right To Hate Gays? .::. Size~: 5.24 KBJul 27 16:24
schestowitzTHey make a mistake there thoughJul 27 16:26
schestowitzThey mix gay with black and with jewJul 27 16:26
schestowitzGay can hardly be changed, maybe it's geneticJul 27 16:26
schestowitzBlack is genetic, can't be changedJul 27 16:26
schestowitzJudaism is a dogma, it's like changing clothesJul 27 16:26
schestowitzhttp://tinyogg.com/watch/vXFS3/Jul 27 16:28
phIRCe-localTitle: TinyOgg - Watch: StarCraft 2 RAZOR1911 crack .::. Size~: 5.24 KBJul 27 16:29
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MinceRi think we've banned this troll beforeJul 27 17:53
MinceRhttp://wurstball.de/static/ircview/pictures/3ec54d11af32e21639036c6dfeea8972.jpegJul 27 18:00
phIRCe-localTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KBJul 27 18:00
schestowitz"mental health" linkJul 27 18:27
schestowitzDoes that refer to Apple or the "gay"Jul 27 18:27
schestowitzI reckon I'd get along better with gay people than Apple snobsJul 27 18:27
schestowitzTo Apple people I can't talk to their face... it feels like they have ears where their nostrils should be :-)Jul 27 18:28
MinceRit states that while sexual preference is normal among GNU/Linux and winblows users, crApple users tend to be gayJul 27 18:31
MinceRit also states that GNU/Linux users have a higher IQ than the other two groups :>Jul 27 18:31
MinceRbut the actual article could not be foundJul 27 18:31
MinceRmore of a lulz thing to meJul 27 18:31
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/21/dead-penguins-brazil-beachesJul 27 18:41
phIRCe-localTitle:  Dead penguins wash up on Brazil's beaches | Environment | guardian.co.uk  .::. Size~: 80.14 KBJul 27 18:41
schestowitzLinux is deadJul 27 18:41
MinceRnetcraft confirms it?Jul 27 18:41
schestowitzMinceR: if has_no_brain=true {if is_gay=true buy(Apple) else buy(Windows) else buy(Linux)Jul 27 18:42
schestowitzmissing bracker...Jul 27 18:42
schestowitz*ketJul 27 18:42
schestowitzhttp://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Religion/?id=3.1.709964881Jul 27 18:44
phIRCe-localTitle: Pakistan: Christian brothers shot dead for 'blasphemy' -  Adnkronos Religion .::. Size~: 26.17 KBJul 27 18:44
schestowitzReligion of piece (of ***)Jul 27 18:44
MinceRwe come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to killJul 27 18:47
schestowitzheads or tails?Jul 27 18:55
schestowitz"Off w/ their heads!"Jul 27 18:56
MinceRyuhong with his usual drive-by trollingJul 27 20:37
MinceRspineless m$ fanboyJul 27 20:37
schestowitzhe's a teenJul 27 20:56
schestowitz[20:40] <tessier> In case you are curious: http://pastebin.ca/1909554Jul 27 20:57
MinceRa clueless, obnoxious teenJul 27 20:57
phIRCe-localTitle: pastebin - Stuff - post number 1909554 .::. Size~: 23.91 KBJul 27 20:57
schestowitzThe thing that hit us worst are the IE4 bots scanning daily pages (lots of db hits) over and over again, seconds apart. It's the ones which look fake. They targetted heavy pages w/o cache.Jul 27 20:58
schestowitzMinceR: a nerdJul 27 20:59
schestowitzMinceR: a nerdJul 27 20:59
MinceRa nerd would have enough clue to not eat m$ propagandaJul 27 20:59
schestowitza nedJul 27 20:59
schestowitzBlah blahJul 27 20:59
schestowitzMinceR: a nerdJul 27 20:59
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schestowitzMinceR: a nerd. Did you read my last message?Jul 27 21:00
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MinceRi think i'm getting the pictureJul 27 21:01
MinceRif he did this in my channels he'd be banned alreadyJul 27 21:01
schestowitztotal requests    416859Jul 27 21:01
schestowitztotal bot requests 81392Jul 27 21:01
schestowitzYahoo! Slurp       52745Jul 27 21:01
schestowitzGooglebot          33185Jul 27 21:01
schestowitzmsnbot             25755Jul 27 21:01
schestowitzMS Search 6.0 Robot 6772Jul 27 21:01
schestowitzYandexBot           4538Jul 27 21:01
schestowitzdiscobot            3296Jul 27 21:01
schestowitzMJ12bot             3174Jul 27 21:01
schestowitzseoprofiler         1487Jul 27 21:01
schestowitzBaidu               1470Jul 27 21:01
schestowitzExabot               843Jul 27 21:01
schestowitzSpinn3r              834Jul 27 21:01
schestowitzcuil                 253Jul 27 21:01
schestowitzyacybot              160Jul 27 21:01
schestowitzmxbot                110Jul 27 21:02
schestowitzoctobot               76Jul 27 21:02
schestowitzmisc others          829Jul 27 21:02
schestowitzUncached oneJul 27 21:02
schestowitzUncached onesJul 27 21:02
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schestowitzJul 27 21:32
schestowitz[21:31] <tessier> How do you identify which hits are theirs?Jul 27 21:32
schestowitz[21:32] <schestowitz> I tail the log files a lot once a whileJul 27 21:32
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-NickServ-This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>.Jul 27 21:39
schestowitzJul 27 21:40
schestowitz[21:35] <tessier> I do also but can't tell the normal IE clients from bots or abusers.Jul 27 21:40
schestowitzThis was in the tinyogg front page queue: http://tinyogg.com/watch/7gbgb/Jul 28 00:23
phIRCe-localTitle: TinyOgg - Watch: Female Bodybuilding legend Hannie Van Aken is back! .::. Size~: 5.27 KBJul 28 00:23
schestowitzSo weird and outlandishJul 28 00:23
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roy__>  Dr. Roy,Jul 28 07:05
roy__>Jul 28 07:05
roy__> Here they go ODPs && PDFsEnglish && Spanish versions.  Please let meJul 28 07:05
roy__> know if you receive them. Sorry I couldn't do it before but during theJul 28 07:05
roy__> weekend my four kids  leave me exhausted. For whom I also do thisJul 28 07:05
roy__> they're growing up with GNU/Linux and deserve to have it always as itJul 28 07:05
roy__> is: "FREE AS IN FREEDOM"Jul 28 07:05
roy__>Jul 28 07:06
roy__> I know you are in the middle of the battlefield and we really appreciateJul 28 07:06
roy__> what you're doing. Thank you very much.Jul 28 07:06
roy__>Jul 28 07:06
roy__> Whatever I can do for the cause please do not hesitate to let me know.Jul 28 07:06
roy__> Cheers for all those who are working with you.Jul 28 07:06
roy__>Jul 28 07:06
roy__> God bless youJul 28 07:06
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schestowitzXbox lost about $6-7bn at the early stages, so it'll never be profitable.Jul 28 08:02
schestowitzNotice this:Jul 28 08:02
schestowitz[07:53] [Notice] -BNtwitter to #boycottnovell- [glynmoody] What's the Latest in the Psystar Appeal? - http://bit.ly/dahzQK not sure I follow PJ's logic here... #apple #ibmJul 28 08:02
phIRCe-localTitle: Groklaw - What's the Latest in the Psystar Appeal? .::. Size~: 58.7 KBJul 28 08:02
schestowitzYeah, glyn can't get what she's on about defending APple, eitherJul 28 08:02
schestowitzShe defends two giant corporations, IBM and AppleJul 28 08:02
schestowitzAnything but Microsoft, but she doesn't seem to actually do much to advance Free(Dom) softwareJul 28 08:03
schestowitzThat's why Groklaw loses some credibility IMHOJul 28 08:03
schestowitzAmong FOSS typesJul 28 08:03
schestowitzDefending Apple is stupidJul 28 08:06
schestowitzLet me write to her about it...........Jul 28 08:06
MinceRi'm interested in the replyJul 28 08:06
MinceR"Then Apple v. Psystar, with Psystar arguing that writing an operating system was too hard"Jul 28 08:07
MinceRcrApple should agreeJul 28 08:07
MinceRafter all they stole most of OSXJul 28 08:07
schestowitz"I am often a tad disappointed when I see the amount of Apple apologism/defense in News Picks and also in posts. It is very likely that Microsoft 'pulls a SCO' against Apple, but we would be wasting valuable time and effort defending a company as unethical as Apple (I won't go into the reasons here). They already have many lawyers."Jul 28 08:08
schestowitz"It it worth thinking whether we promote mega-brands or software freedom because our efforts/endeavours are limited. Just my 50 cents."Jul 28 08:09
schestowitzPJ values my opinion cause we exchanged mail daily since 2006Jul 28 08:09
schestowitzI just can't take this anymore, it's sillyJul 28 08:09
MinceR:)Jul 28 08:10
schestowitzI will paste responses here laterJul 28 08:10
MinceRthxJul 28 08:10
schestowitzI never said anything to her, until now.Jul 28 08:10
schestowitzhttp://news.slashdot.org/story/10/07/27/1517224/Interview-With-the-Man-Behind-WikiLeaks <<<<<< comes across as a charlatan to me, I don't like himJul 28 08:15
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schestowitzhttp://technologizer.com/2010/07/26/google-introduces-google-apps-for-government/Jul 28 08:18
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schestowitzGoogle is also becoming a threat with their 'cloud' lockinJul 28 08:18
schestowitzAnd they hardly need volunteers to promote them, they have a huge budgetJul 28 08:18
schestowitzI'm gonna stop promoting anything non-free/libre from GoogleJul 28 08:19
schestowitzGroklaw seems to have two goalsJul 28 08:22
MinceRniceJul 28 08:22
MinceRnow not only does the government get to spy on google, but also the other way aroundJul 28 08:22
schestowitzExplore SCO-type litigationJul 28 08:23
schestowitzand 2) is to defend LinuxJul 28 08:23
schestowitzBut it doesn't do much of (2) anymoreJul 28 08:23
MinceRi expected #2 to be "advertise crApple"Jul 28 08:23
schestowitzNews Picks contain almost nothing at all about Linux, everJul 28 08:23
MinceRbut i guess that's the new #2Jul 28 08:23
schestowitzJust legal materialJul 28 08:23
schestowitzMinceR: noJul 28 08:23
schestowitz3) is to defend Apple too, not just LinuxJul 28 08:23
schestowitzBasically "anything but Microsoft," not "anything but proprietary"Jul 28 08:24
schestowitzI learned some years ago why Apple gaining would not constitute a real victory of any kindJul 28 08:24
schestowitzIt's like having one absurd (as in absurdistan) political party replace anotherJul 28 08:24
schestowitzDifferent label, same misconductJul 28 08:25
MinceRit might very well be worseJul 28 08:25
schestowitzSo things need to be revolutionised by informing the public, which is led by massive PR campaign to choose red|blueJul 28 08:25
MinceRthough i guess it's not so clearJul 28 08:25
MinceRcrApple brings more lockdown but it's also easier to beatJul 28 08:25
schestowitzI hate APple fansJul 28 08:26
MinceRespecially if the FS community perceives it as a direct threatJul 28 08:26
schestowitzAt least WIndows users use something which they admit is crapJul 28 08:26
schestowitzAt least the people I know....Jul 28 08:26
MinceR(switch all fundamental projects to GPLv3 -> no more free code to crApple)Jul 28 08:26
MinceRi know at least 2 m$ fanboys who don't admit that winblows is crapJul 28 08:26
MinceRor that any m$ product is crapJul 28 08:26
MinceRthey both seem to have been brainwashedJul 28 08:27
schestowitzYou met BillG and SteveB?Jul 28 08:27
MinceRone of them "work"ed for m$ hungaryJul 28 08:27
MinceRnopeJul 28 08:27
MinceRhe keeps bragging about how great their testing isJul 28 08:27
MinceRridiculousJul 28 08:27
schestowitzthere is no MS HungaryJul 28 08:27
schestowitzThey label it this way for marketing purposesJul 28 08:27
schestowitzMakes the multinational INVADER seem local and beneficial to the countryJul 28 08:27
MinceRwell, it's a subsidiary in absurdistanJul 28 08:29
schestowitzSatelliteJul 28 08:31
schestowitzThey probably do taxing in Romania for evasion of finesJul 28 08:31
MinceRthe other fanboy is a m$ "partner'Jul 28 08:34
MinceRs/.$/"/Jul 28 08:34
MinceRapparently he believes m$ won't fuck him like they fucked their icelandian distributorsJul 28 08:35
MinceR(that's what "partner" means to m$: someone they will fuck)Jul 28 08:35
schestowitz"These losses in the Xbox business were never hidden, just not widely publicised. There are ways for any company -- Microsoft included -- to deemphasise particular facts. I happen to maintain a page about Xbox/360 facts -- those you can find supporting information for but Microsoft won't bother telling the press about."Jul 28 08:38
schestowitzI'm gonna hang around in Groklaw today...Jul 28 08:38
schestowitzMinceR: Microsoft loves to "fuck"Jul 28 08:38
schestowitz"Fuck! It took you a year to figure that out!" - Bill GatesJul 28 08:39
MinceR:>Jul 28 08:39
schestowitz"The last thing this company needs is another fucking [computer] language." -Nathan Myhrvold, MicrosoftJul 28 08:39
schestowitz"That’s the dumbest fucking idea I’ve heard since I’ve been at Microsoft." -Bill GatesJul 28 08:41
schestowitzAnd so on...Jul 28 08:42
schestowitzNice dude that Gates...Jul 28 08:42
schestowitzDon't mind the language though :-)Jul 28 08:42
schestowitzHe's a lot nicer when you get to know him in pe...... I mean, on televisionJul 28 08:42
schestowitzGot a response from PJ:Jul 28 08:50
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=864998#c865005Jul 28 08:50
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schestowitzThink deeper.Jul 28 08:50
schestowitzThat's my two cents. Because if, for example, the sameJul 28 08:50
schestowitzpeople behind the SCO farce are also behind Psystar,Jul 28 08:50
schestowitzthen it matters to defeat them, because they aren'tJul 28 08:50
schestowitzgoing to stop with just Apple.Jul 28 08:50
schestowitzMy response:Jul 28 08:50
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865005#c865009Jul 28 08:50
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schestowitz"Jul 28 08:51
schestowitzMy point though, well... Apple has sufficient resources to handle this case, as well as the case against HTC, which strives to put "Apple tax" on Linux/Android.Jul 28 08:51
schestowitzI think it's worth finding areas that promote software freedom and put time into those. To promote Apple is to promote "anything but Microsoft"; to promote GNU/Linux as matter of priority is to promote "anything but proprietary software".Jul 28 08:51
schestowitzI accept your point that exposing agitators in Apple's case can help expose those who harm IBM (or GNU/Linux), I just don't think it's the most productive way for you to use your vast knowledge in this area.Jul 28 08:51
schestowitzAt any rate, keep up your excellent work!Jul 28 08:51
schestowitz"Jul 28 08:51
schestowitzI'm being as polite as I canJul 28 08:51
schestowitzher friend Erwan weights in too:Jul 28 08:52
schestowitz"Jul 28 08:52
schestowitzhat would be the point of defending software freedom, for the beauty of it, if copyright laws were crippled by one of these weird lawsuits and campaigns Groklaw is documenting?Jul 28 08:52
schestowitzOn the other hand, how much is it getting fool of the monopole's spin doctors to bash Apple, IBM, Oracle or Google because they're big and proprietary?Jul 28 08:52
schestowitzIt's hard to say, I don't claim to have the answers. So let just allow PJ's instincts to guide her writings.Jul 28 08:52
schestowitz"Jul 28 08:52
schestowitzI don't want to have a battle there. I think I got my point across, to the extent where I'm not being subversiveJul 28 08:53
schestowitzOhJul 28 09:11
schestowitzHere come the Apple apologistsJul 28 09:11
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865009#c865012Jul 28 09:11
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schestowitz"Jul 28 09:11
schestowitzYou should take a look at how active Apple actually is in contributing toJul 28 09:11
schestowitzOpen Source. They are quiet, but their changes to Safari are contributedJul 28 09:11
schestowitzback to webkit, and so forth.Jul 28 09:11
schestowitzTake a look at how much Apple software is GPL or BSD...Jul 28 09:11
schestowitz"Jul 28 09:11
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865012#c865013Jul 28 09:11
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schestowitz"Jul 28 09:11
schestowitzApple is parasitic in its use of open source. I wrote a lot about this in the past and gave examples.Jul 28 09:11
schestowitzApple's reality distortion field wrt to "open source" is a serious danger (marketing).Jul 28 09:11
schestowitzDo you want a more detailed explanation?Jul 28 09:11
schestowitz"Jul 28 09:11
schestowitzhttp://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2010/07/gplv3-now-dominates-at-google.htmlJul 28 09:25
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schestowitz"First they came after Apple ...Jul 28 09:53
schestowitz"Jul 28 09:53
schestowitz... and I did not speak up because I thought Apple was unethical.Jul 28 09:53
schestowitzThen they came after IBM and I did not speak up because IBM was a very profitable company.Jul 28 09:53
schestowitzThen they came after the GPL but by then the precedents in the previous cases meant that speaking up was useless.Jul 28 09:53
schestowitzPJ has a keen sense of right and wrong. If someone wrongfully attacked Microsoft she might very well write an article about it. For example, Microsoft recently lost a battle over an XML related software patent. I believe that software patent was wrong (because I believe all software patents are wrong) even though it was being used against Microsoft. I deplore the idea of "relative justice" where we base our fights not onJul 28 09:53
schestowitzright versus wrong but instead on who is being attacked and who is doing the attacking. It is like asking us to throw out our moral compasses (apparently some of the last few remaining).Jul 28 09:53
schestowitzIf the Psystar attack on Apple is wrong then it is wrong even if Microsoft is not surreptitiously funding it. It is wrong even if Apple is doing things you consider to be unethical. It is wrong even if the attack vector is not directly applicable to the GPL. The strategy of only exposing wrong-doing when a close friend or relative (by this I mean FOSS and the GPL) is attacked seems to me to be very short sighted. Life wouldJul 28 09:53
schestowitzbe simpler if the world were black and white, if people and companies were either all good or all evil. But the real world is not like that. For example, Novell did that awful patent deal with Microsoft. But that didn't prevent me from rooting for Novell when they were fighting SCO over the Unix copyrights.Jul 28 09:53
schestowitz    The only thing necessary to the triumph of evil, is that good [people] do nothing.Jul 28 09:53
schestowitz"Jul 28 09:54
schestowitz"By that logic we should never have covered SCO v IBM .... "Jul 28 09:54
schestowitzMe: No, in SCO's case SCO was directly threatening every Linux vendor/distributor and even user.Jul 28 09:55
schestowitzPJ's supporters in that site sidle with her, as I expectedJul 28 09:55
schestowitz"Jul 28 09:58
schestowitzFollowing a link atJul 28 09:58
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/XBox_Reality_LogJul 28 09:58
schestowitztoJul 28 09:58
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schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2009/05/03/microsoft-xbox-failure-departure/Jul 28 09:58
schestowitztoJul 28 09:58
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schestowitzhttp://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3173925Jul 28 09:58
schestowitz"Microsoft's Xbox Group Loses $31M in Second QuarterJul 28 09:58
schestowitzAfter two consecutive quarters of profit, the Xbox group is bleedingJul 28 09:58
schestowitzagain."Jul 28 09:58
schestowitzA two consecutive quarter profit to a $31M loss for the first consecutiveJul 28 09:58
schestowitzquarter 2009, this seems like a bargain for keeping Linux away from the desktopJul 28 09:58
schestowitzOS market where the real profit for MS are.Jul 28 09:58
schestowitzI'm not saying MS is getting rich on Xbox, but that the benefits of Xbox is thatJul 28 09:58
schestowitzit does a reasonably good job in keeping both Mac and Linux away from theJul 28 09:58
schestowitzdesktop.Jul 28 09:58
schestowitzI am sure MS can tolerate substantial losses for Xbox just because of that. Yet,Jul 28 09:58
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schestowitzif it happens to make some money too, why not.Jul 28 09:58
schestowitz"Jul 28 09:58
schestowitzThe Xbox error rates have harmed the company's reputation.Jul 28 09:58
oiaohmLot of MS people I taking to seam to have the Idea that the Xbox is out of reach of competition because it cost so much to develop a console.Jul 28 10:22
oiaohmReally that is the flaw.Jul 28 10:22
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=anti+Apple+jihad&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=864998#c865027Jul 28 10:26
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schestowitz"Schest, you would to your case less harm if you stick to reporting the facts and get off this personal Jihad against Apple, you only damage your own case. Assume we're all mature adults and can make our own minds up. Apple has been most successful in promoting its own hardware and software platform. Nothing wrong in that and they did it without engaging in the kind of dirty-dealing that some other companies engaged in."Jul 28 10:27
schestowitzSee what I'm getting from that?Jul 28 10:27
schestowitzI won't be bringing that subject up in Groklaw againJul 28 10:27
schestowitzI've just repliedJul 28 10:27
schestowitz"Jul 28 10:27
schestowitzThere's no "anti-Apple jihad" and if there is such a thing, it's definitely not a Microsoft thing. Apple's competitors include giants like Nokia, which fights back against Apple when Jobs belittles its phones. Same with Motorola for that matter.Jul 28 10:27
schestowitzI am not talking about Apple's ethical business practices here; I talk about their effect on our freedom, as well as a handset culture, to put it one way. If a user-hostile phone (with some "Linux" logo slapped onto it) contains DRM and self-destructs upon remote disablement, then we achieve nothing here but play in the pointless game of mega-brands.Jul 28 10:27
schestowitzMy personal goal is to advance personal freedom in computing because in case you didn't notice, it's getting worse over time and Apple takes a leading role in taking away these freedoms (sometimes more so than Microsoft), along perhaps with Nokia.Jul 28 10:27
schestowitzWhat actually invoked this original comment of mine was not the article at hand. It's just the fact that Groklaw inadvertently does a lot to promote Apple products that need to be shunned because they marginalise software freedom.Jul 28 10:27
schestowitzI have attempted to be polite and constructive here.Jul 28 10:27
schestowitz"Jul 28 10:27
oiaohmSame kind of line they have come after me with for years.Jul 28 10:28
oiaohmYou cannot just be pro freedom you have to be anti-someone so they can attack you.Jul 28 10:29
schestowitzSee? I shouldn't have started this discussionJul 28 10:33
schestowitzWaste of timeJul 28 10:33
schestowitzFlorian has just mailed meJul 28 10:34
schestowitzHe's hawking Groklaw, trying to smear PamJul 28 10:34
schestowitzRe: PJ's misinformation on copyright, GPL, tyingJul 28 10:34
schestowitz> Hi Roy,Jul 28 10:34
schestowitz>Jul 28 10:34
schestowitz> The comments below don't go to others. Feel free to use them as you seeJul 28 10:34
schestowitz> fit, in public or as background information. I saw you comment on theJul 28 10:34
schestowitz> Groklaw discussion thread concerning Psystar.Jul 28 10:34
schestowitz>Jul 28 10:34
schestowitz> PJ intentionally fails to clarify the fundamental differences betweenJul 28 10:34
schestowitz> those cases. Psystar wants to achieve its goal within the confines ofJul 28 10:34
schestowitz> copyright law, and that's where Apple disagrees. PJ writes that "PsystarJul 28 10:34
schestowitz> wants to overturn copyright law as we know it". Then she should make aJul 28 10:34
schestowitz> clear distinction from TurboHercules, whosecomplaint doesn't call intoJul 28 10:34
schestowitz> question IBM's interpretation of copyright law. That was never an issueJul 28 10:34
schestowitz> and I can't imagine that it ever will be. Instead, antitrust law canJul 28 10:34
schestowitz> impose conditions on companies in a dominant market position.Jul 28 10:34
schestowitz>Jul 28 10:34
schestowitz> PJ furthermore fails to explain that TurboHercules didn't ask for aJul 28 10:34
schestowitz> freebie as far as z/OS is concerned. Instead, TurboHercules's firstJul 28 10:34
schestowitz> letter to IBMJul 28 10:34
schestowitz> (http://www.turbohercules.com/uploads/files/TH-letter-to-IBM-Europe-2009-07-29.pdf)Jul 28 10:34
schestowitz> asked for an offer of licensing terms: "The pricing, conditions andJul 28 10:34
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schestowitz> limitations of that license would be at the sole discretion of IBM onJul 28 10:34
schestowitz> reasonable and fair terms." TurboHercules's complaint lodged with theJul 28 10:34
schestowitz> European Commission in March didn't go any further. IBM will not beJul 28 10:34
schestowitz> expropriated or insufficiently compensated.Jul 28 10:34
schestowitz>Jul 28 10:34
schestowitz> PJ conflates those types of issues with the legal strength of the GPL,Jul 28 10:34
schestowitz> arguing that the GPL is a copyright license and therefore copyright mustJul 28 10:34
schestowitz> be respected. That is extremely far-fetched: restrictions concerning onJul 28 10:34
schestowitz> which hardware to run a program are neither part of the GPL nor is anyJul 28 10:34
schestowitz> copyright holder's potential right to impose such restrictions needed inJul 28 10:34
schestowitz> order to enforce the GPL. Copyleft works because of its effect onJul 28 10:34
schestowitz> derivative works.Jul 28 10:34
schestowitz>Jul 28 10:34
schestowitz> What PJ doesn't mention is that the kind of restriction on a rightJul 28 10:35
schestowitz> holder that TurboHercules seeks is consistent with the EuropeanJul 28 10:35
schestowitz> Commission's antitrust case against Microsoft. Even though MicrosoftJul 28 10:35
schestowitz> undeniably holds copyright in Windows, the Media Player and InternetJul 28 10:35
schestowitz> Explorer, the Commission held antitrust law against Microsoft in orderJul 28 10:35
schestowitz> to ensure customer choice and achieve the effect of "untying".Jul 28 10:35
schestowitz>Jul 28 10:35
schestowitz>Jul 28 10:35
schestowitz>Jul 28 10:35
schestowitz> Of all the cases PJ mentioned, nothing comes remotely as close to the EUJul 28 10:35
schestowitz> case against Microsoft as the "tying" part of the investigation launchedJul 28 10:35
schestowitz> against IBM.Jul 28 10:35
schestowitzBP = polluting bastardsJul 28 10:36
schestowitz'i'm happy, i've been calling them "bastard people" for weeks- but i'm quite sure he doesn't read our dents, it's more like "what else would it stand for?" it's probably unfair to the more average "bastard," comparing them to bp *shrug* but it's fun!'Jul 28 10:36
schestowitzhttp://280.status.net/notice/299178Jul 28 10:36
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schestowitzBrandsJul 28 10:36
schestowitzMakes me sickJul 28 10:36
schestowitzAnd later on you know what I get?Jul 28 10:36
schestowitzI see someone in Groklaw saying I'm too "anti-corporate" or somethingJul 28 10:36
schestowitzApparently Microsoft has a monopoly on "being allowed to be the bad guy"Jul 28 10:36
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=XBOIX+vs+BSOD&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865025#c865035Jul 28 10:41
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schestowitz"Jul 28 10:41
schestowitz"The Xbox error rates have harmed the company's reputation"Jul 28 10:42
schestowitzLOL, compared to what?! They have had a terrible reputation since day three.Jul 28 10:42
schestowitzLOL!Jul 28 10:42
schestowitzYes, it does harm the reputation, but BSOD does too and has done for decades.Jul 28 10:42
schestowitz"Jul 28 10:42
oiaohmShoddy work harms reputation.Jul 28 10:45
oiaohmAnd shoddy work by MS is not new.Jul 28 10:45
schestowitzre BP http://280.status.net/notice/299254 "yeah, with friends like bp, who needs terrorists? "Jul 28 11:02
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schestowitzserver issue.........Jul 28 11:52
schestowitz[root@boycottnovell ~]# /etc/init.d/httpd restartJul 28 11:52
schestowitzStopping httpd:                                            [  OK  ]Jul 28 11:52
schestowitzStarting httpd: Warning: DocumentRoot [/home/boycottn/redirects] does not existJul 28 11:52
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schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865061#c865063Jul 28 13:15
schestowitz"Jul 28 13:15
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schestowitzPJ should cut this.Jul 28 13:15
schestowitzGL is not about GL.Jul 28 13:15
schestowitzThe sites you desire already exist.Jul 28 13:15
schestowitzTry and stick to the issues not the medium.Jul 28 13:15
schestowitz"Jul 28 13:15
schestowitzHe suggests censoring thisJul 28 13:15
schestowitzme: "The issue here is Apple. It's not about Groklaw. It's just that there are some circles where Apple is accepted and whether or not Apple is worth defending is the subject. What does the FSF say about Apple?"Jul 28 13:16
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865013#c865058Jul 28 13:18
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schestowitz"Jul 28 13:18
schestowitzIn large part I disagree regarding Apple, but this is not the correct fightJul 28 13:18
schestowitzregarding our feelings toward an inanimate object.Jul 28 13:18
schestowitzThis is about copyright and there is a large part that intersects with theJul 28 13:18
schestowitzinterests of the free software people such as ourselves.Jul 28 13:18
schestowitzIf the copyright laws can be 'adjusted' in a certain way then our free softwareJul 28 13:18
schestowitzcan be made proprietary, and if Apple defend against this then they have myJul 28 13:18
schestowitzsupport regarding this, Microsoft would get my support regarding this. If I amJul 28 13:18
schestowitzdefending Apple I am OK with this.Jul 28 13:18
schestowitzFree software depends on copyright law to exist. The arguments regarding theJul 28 13:18
schestowitzrights and wrongs of having copyright are irrelevant since they are here.Jul 28 13:18
schestowitzApples use of free software is well documented,Jul 28 13:18
schestowitzApple has suffered tardiness before complying with some licences,Jul 28 13:18
schestowitzApple has sometimes made it difficult to re-integrate the code that they haveJul 28 13:18
schestowitzreleased to a project,Jul 28 13:18
schestowitzApple have smartened up their act.Jul 28 13:18
schestowitzIn my view no company is to be trusted, no company can show loyalty in the senseJul 28 13:18
schestowitzthat it is understood.Jul 28 13:18
schestowitzI will take a one at a time view, it seems best sometimes.Jul 28 13:18
schestowitzbe good peeps :)Jul 28 13:18
schestowitz"Jul 28 13:18
schestowitzhttp://www.serverwatch.com/trends/article.php/3894546/Windows-Server-2003-Bye-Bye.htmJul 28 13:19
schestowitz"Yes, that's correct; .NET sites and services. Thanks to Novell and dozens of volunteer developers, the Mono Project allows .NET developers to use Microsoft's Visual Studio and Linux as they would for equivalent Windows hosted sites."Jul 28 13:19
schestowitzHeheJul 28 13:19
schestowitz"Jul 28 13:37
schestowitzI can't see your point here. I use some Apple gear, and also run Debian. IJul 28 13:37
schestowitzhave written copyrighted software and made some of it available underJul 28 13:37
schestowitzFLOSS.Jul 28 13:37
schestowitzIf we do what you seem to want, there will be no copyright (Which may orJul 28 13:37
schestowitzmay not be a good thing - As I write this stuff, I generally think that IJul 28 13:37
schestowitzshould be able to do with it what I want.). Without copyright there is noJul 28 13:37
schestowitzGPL, and thus no Linux. Large corporates would then be able to take myJul 28 13:37
schestowitzwork, and then do whatever they want with it, without my permission.Jul 28 13:37
schestowitz"Jul 28 13:37
schestowitzme: "The case against Apple is not a case to entirely abolish copyright. Free software needs copyright, which is not going away any time soon. It's more of a straw man here. To clarify, the subject raised here is that Apple's case is not something I view as important given that Apple has enough lawyers to fight against the agitator. I came to this post to comment after Glyn Moody tweeted it and wrote "not sure I follow PJ'sJul 28 13:37
schestowitzlogic here...""Jul 28 13:37
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=864998#c865070Jul 28 13:37
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schestowitz"Jul 28 13:37
schestowitzWe should defend Apple on principle, just as we rushed toJul 28 13:37
schestowitzMicrosoft's defense when they were attacked by i4's softwareJul 28 13:38
schestowitzpatent (and we don't approve of software patents).Jul 28 13:38
schestowitz"Jul 28 13:38
schestowitzme: I am not arguing against defending Apple in the face those who abuse it. I guess I stated this without clarity.Jul 28 13:39
schestowitz"Jul 28 14:17
schestowitzHi Roy,Jul 28 14:17
schestowitzMy reply was to Linuxrocks123. I, like you, have a science backgroundJul 28 14:17
schestowitz(Chartered Chemist) and generally support the idea that knowledge shouldJul 28 14:18
schestowitzwhere possible be in the public domain - But, it should be our (andJul 28 14:18
schestowitzApple's) choice as to how our work is released.Jul 28 14:18
schestowitzI can think of no reason to side with Pystar, they too could have takenJul 28 14:18
schestowitzBSD and built their own distribution around it, but that would have takenJul 28 14:18
schestowitzthem years and cost many millions. The problems caused by BSDJul 28 14:18
schestowitzlicencing are another matter...Jul 28 14:18
schestowitz"Jul 28 14:18
schestowitzme:" I wrote about Pystar a great deal and made my opinions clear. I support Apple's case against Pystar. I also support Groklaw's many brains, which I think can focus more on subjects that the FSF is too understaffed to handle; let Apple's army of lawyers fight Pystar. (Again, IMHO.) On many occasions in the past I got criticised for linking to stories about proprietary software that runs on GNU/Linux. Years later IJul 28 14:18
schestowitzunderstood why."Jul 28 14:18
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=Pystar+schestowitz&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8Jul 28 14:18
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oiaohmCopyright is CopyrightJul 28 14:18
oiaohmApple has the right to say how there Copyrighted material is used.Jul 28 14:18
oiaohmSo Pystar loses.Jul 28 14:19
oiaohmWe cannot demard the rules of GPL get followed if we say anyone who chooses can breach copyright.Jul 28 14:19
oiaohmPystar is a burning example of how some hardware makers treat copyright.Jul 28 14:19
schestowitzyeahJul 28 14:27
schestowitzWhat surprises me is how far Groklaw folks would go to oppose my viewsJul 28 14:28
schestowitzCause this is the one and only areas where I disagree with PJJul 28 14:28
schestowitzI told MinceR it would open a jar of worms...Jul 28 14:28
schestowitzAnd I said I'd paste some responses hereJul 28 14:28
MinceR:)Jul 28 14:39
oiaohmThinking closed source is ok dies with time and experience.Jul 28 14:41
schestowitz"Jul 28 14:50
schestowitzActually, I was being sarcastic, and of course, we did not rush to defend Microsoft when they were "attacked" by i4i. I and many others were cheering 141 on.Jul 28 14:50
schestowitzEstablishing principle is very difficult when we are dealing with these giants of industry. Much easier to be objective when dealing with little people. Take for example the very important work of the ALCU. They will defend the worst scum bags that crawl on the surface of this planet if that is what it takes to defend a far more important principle like freedom of speech. Generally, we seem to understand that, and hold ourJul 28 14:50
schestowitznoses and cheer the ALCU on when they are, for example, defending some racist bigot's rights to free speech.Jul 28 14:50
schestowitzI hate Apple, because they are a cult, every much a cult as Scientology, praying on the gullible to widen their ample profit margins. Another reason I hate Apple is because, as you say in your comment above "Apple takes a leading role in taking away these freedoms".Jul 28 14:50
schestowitzNow here in this article we have the Apple vs Psytar case being compare with IBM vs Microsoft's lackeys. Well - I support IBM, because they are being attacked by Microsoft's proxies, and because of the way the attack is being carried out. The accusation is that IBM has a monopoly on the mainframe, just as Microsoft wants Google to be declared a monopoly. I don't agree that IBM created a monopoly in the sense that Microsoft (Jul 28 14:50
schestowitzor Intel, for that matter) created a monopoly. IBM ended up with a defacto monopoly on the mainframe by default, because nobody else was interested in entering that market. I defend IBM more because of these slanderous allegations against them, these attempts to get them branded as monopolists.Jul 28 14:50
schestowitzIf the circumstances were different, I might not support IBM in this mainframe issue. If I try to imagine that a mainframe was just a common computer that anybody might have, I would see this issue entirely differently. I would think - I have this computer here and nobody has the right to tell me what software I can run on it! I might also think - I bought this OS from Apple, and I have the right to install that on anyJul 28 14:50
schestowitzhardware I like. Now, I am not suggesting that I have the right to sell that, however.Jul 28 14:50
schestowitzIn summary, I have to admit that I have not contributed to clarifying the issues presented here. I have only muddied the waters further. On the one hand I admire the work of the ALCU, give IBM my full support, and cheered i4i on, but on the other hand I cannot defend Apple against Psytar. I am left conflicted, because we are dealing with such multidimensional issues here I cannot abstract it to a simple matter of principle. IJul 28 14:50
schestowitzam willing to maintain double standards on these issues.Jul 28 14:50
schestowitz"Jul 28 14:50
schestowitzSide note (from the comment):Jul 28 14:50
schestowitz"...Scientology, praying on the gullible..."Jul 28 14:50
schestowitzNice Freudian slip there! ;-)Jul 28 14:50
schestowitzme: "Apple, IMHO, has the right to restrict what hardware its software is put on. However, I'd discourage anyone from buying *anything* from Apple (same for Microsoft)."Jul 28 14:50
MinceR:)Jul 28 14:55
MinceRwho wrote that wall of text?Jul 28 14:55
oiaohmIBM is not alown in the Mainframe game.Jul 28 15:00
oiaohmAnd does not really do anything to restrict other enteries.Jul 28 15:00
oiaohmHeck if anything they do a lot to help more entries.Jul 28 15:00
oiaohmThink of all the standards IBM has released freely over the years.Jul 28 15:01
schestowitzMinceR: http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865075#c865085Jul 28 15:35
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schestowitz"Jul 28 15:36
schestowitzIf Apple is parasitic on free software, then so is Redhat, Canonical, GoogleJul 28 15:36
schestowitzand nearly every company that uses free software commercially, and theJul 28 15:36
schestowitzterm is meaningless.Jul 28 15:36
schestowitzGo grab the commit history from the webkit project's SubversionJul 28 15:36
schestowitzrepository and look at it. You will find vast contributions from Apple. SameJul 28 15:36
schestowitzfor projects like LLVM.Jul 28 15:36
schestowitzFurthermore, they did not have to do most of this as open source. TheJul 28 15:36
schestowitznon-Apple code in webkit was under LGPL, so Apple could have keptJul 28 15:36
schestowitztheir stuff closed as long as they provided linkable object files. InsteadJul 28 15:36
schestowitzthey went with one of the openest licenses available.Jul 28 15:36
schestowitz"Jul 28 15:36
schestowitzSee?Jul 28 15:36
schestowitzApologistsJul 28 15:36
schestowitzSome of them are there in Groklaw using Macs. They are lawyer types, it's not a Linux siteJul 28 15:36
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MinceRpatheticJul 28 16:45
MinceRalso, apparently PJ doesn't even understand how the LGPL worksJul 28 16:46
MinceRit's not "you can do whatever you want with it as long as you provide linkable object files"Jul 28 16:46
MinceRi guess that site isn't even useful for what its name says it's forJul 28 16:47
schestowitzPJ woke upJul 28 17:25
schestowitzLet's see what she says nowJul 28 17:25
schestowitz"Jul 28 17:25
schestowitzDo a little research. See if you can find outJul 28 17:25
schestowitzwho did the original moot court presentationJul 28 17:25
schestowitzfor SCO. Then see who the guy's law firm is.Jul 28 17:25
schestowitzThen look up who was the original law firmJul 28 17:26
schestowitzfor Psystar.Jul 28 17:26
schestowitzThen come back and tell us what you found.Jul 28 17:26
schestowitz"Jul 28 17:26
schestowitzShe actually defends me hereJul 28 17:26
schestowitz:-)Jul 28 17:26
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865054#c865112Jul 28 17:26
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schestowitz"Jul 28 17:26
schestowitzIt's my job to see legal things that folks withoutJul 28 17:26
schestowitzmy background and interests might not.Jul 28 17:26
schestowitzI know that every time I write about Psystar, theJul 28 17:26
schestowitzsame type of trolls that first showed up supportingJul 28 17:27
schestowitzSCO show up to support Psystar.Jul 28 17:27
schestowitzI don't ever ignore evidence of that type, but insteadJul 28 17:27
schestowitzI make a note. Patterns are worth noting as one clueJul 28 17:27
schestowitzin a bigger picture.Jul 28 17:27
schestowitzBut the most important part of what I do is toJul 28 17:27
schestowitzsort of play chess in my mind with a case. If I doJul 28 17:27
schestowitzthat, playing out in my mind what could result fromJul 28 17:27
schestowitza case, and I see a potential for harm for FOSS, IJul 28 17:27
schestowitzam supposed to tell you.Jul 28 17:27
schestowitzAnd I do. I know some won't comprehend why untilJul 28 17:27
schestowitzlater. But I do it the minute I see it personally,Jul 28 17:27
schestowitzbecause I see what I see.Jul 28 17:27
schestowitzAnyway, I'm used to being criticized every day ofJul 28 17:27
schestowitzthe week, no matter what I write about, so I justJul 28 17:27
schestowitzwrite about what I think matters to the communityJul 28 17:27
schestowitzeither immediately or down the road.Jul 28 17:27
schestowitzThis case matters. Or more accurately, it would ifJul 28 17:27
schestowitzit were successful.Jul 28 17:27
schestowitz"Jul 28 17:27
schestowitz"Jul 28 17:27
schestowitzNow, here's something for you to think about if youJul 28 17:27
schestowitzthink I'm all wet: how come all these cases areJul 28 17:27
schestowitzsuddenly showing up about licenses? Who hates theJul 28 17:27
schestowitzGPL so much, do you think? Can you think of anyJul 28 17:27
schestowitzplayers who would benefit if licenses were moreJul 28 17:27
schestowitzmalleable? Can you think of anyone who wouldJul 28 17:27
schestowitzbenefit from breaking up all integrated products?Jul 28 17:27
schestowitzThat would affect a lot more companies than Apple.Jul 28 17:27
schestowitzBlackberries are integrated. Kindle. iPads, etc.Jul 28 17:27
schestowitzLet's say Psystar gets a new per se copyright misuseJul 28 17:27
schestowitzruling. Are you willing to say goodbye to all of theJul 28 17:27
schestowitzabove? Because that is exactly what would happen. DoJul 28 17:27
schestowitzyou really think any company would bother to provideJul 28 17:27
schestowitzsuch products if Psystar can take their labor of loveJul 28 17:27
schestowitzand sell it on the cheap for Psystar's benefit instead?Jul 28 17:27
schestowitzIn effect, Psystar wants the US to be transformed intoJul 28 17:27
schestowitzChina, as far as rip off of integrated products is concerned.Jul 28 17:27
schestowitzNow think about Microsoft. How do they make theirJul 28 17:27
schestowitzmoney? From non-integrated software on anybody'sJul 28 17:27
schestowitzhardware.Jul 28 17:28
schestowitz"Jul 28 17:28
MinceR"to see" ...and ignore if it offends crAppleJul 28 17:28
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=First+they+came+after+Apple+...&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865016#c865117Jul 28 17:28
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MinceRalso, today i saw a post in which she claims to not care who attacks whomJul 28 17:28
schestowitz:-)Jul 28 17:28
schestowitzMinceR: she doesn't convince me thereJul 28 17:28
MinceRand yet now she attacks Psystar by claiming that SCO apologists are defending themJul 28 17:28
schestowitzMinceR: yes, she says that tooJul 28 17:28
MinceRinterestingJul 28 17:28
schestowitz"Jul 28 17:28
schestowitzThink they'd benefit?Jul 28 17:28
schestowitzI mean, seriously, think they'd benefit if theJul 28 17:28
MinceRas if it wasn't irrelevant who defend PsystarJul 28 17:28
schestowitzworld was suddenly flooded with brand x iMacsJul 28 17:28
schestowitzand iPads and phones that don't quite work well?Jul 28 17:28
schestowitzThink they'd look a little better if Apple's stuffJul 28 17:28
schestowitzdidn't quite work so beautifully any more, makingJul 28 17:28
schestowitzMicrosoft look like the pile of sludge they are?Jul 28 17:28
schestowitzSo, part of the analysis of a court case isn't whoJul 28 17:28
schestowitzis being sued. That's irrelevant to me. It's whoJul 28 17:28
schestowitzwill benefit.Jul 28 17:29
schestowitzAnd part of what I'm doing is essentially askingJul 28 17:29
schestowitzthe question: should big players be allowed to misuseJul 28 17:29
schestowitzthe court system as an anticompetitive weapon? IJul 28 17:29
schestowitzwould like it if someone sued any monopoly playerJul 28 17:29
schestowitzwho did such a thing, because I view it an yetJul 28 17:29
schestowitzanother dirty trick from the source of so manyJul 28 17:29
schestowitzdirty tricks.Jul 28 17:29
schestowitzThink Linux and FOSS would benefit if MicrosoftJul 28 17:29
schestowitzwas hampered from legal dirty tricks?Jul 28 17:29
schestowitzThat is what I mean about learning to think moreJul 28 17:29
schestowitzdeeply. Microsoft fights dirty. That is what IJul 28 17:29
schestowitzlearned from doing the Comes exhibits, and it'sJul 28 17:29
schestowitznever easy to immediately spot. But when you seeJul 28 17:29
schestowitzevery single competitor of Microsoft suddenly beingJul 28 17:29
schestowitzslapped with antitrust complaints, after MicrosoftJul 28 17:29
schestowitzannounced that it was going to happen, you can'tJul 28 17:29
schestowitzignore it. You should not ignore it. Because MicrosoftJul 28 17:29
schestowitzhates Linux and it hates the GPL. And that's myJul 28 17:29
schestowitzbottom line.Jul 28 17:29
schestowitz"Jul 28 17:29
MinceRso much clueless crApple fanboyism (or fangirlism, whatever)Jul 28 17:29
schestowitzVic has another takeJul 28 17:29
schestowitzI actually have some people take my side thereJul 28 17:29
schestowitz"Jul 28 17:29
schestowitz> Microsoft recently lost a battle over an XML relatedJul 28 17:29
schestowitz> software patent. I believe that software patent was wrongJul 28 17:29
schestowitz> (because I believe all software patents are wrong)Jul 28 17:29
schestowitzI agree with you that that patent *should* have been invalid - because allJul 28 17:29
schestowitzsoftware patents should be invalid.Jul 28 17:30
schestowitzBut, until someone changes (or at least clarifies) the law, it *isn't* invalid.Jul 28 17:30
schestowitzSo Microsoft should have been busted - and they were.Jul 28 17:30
schestowitzIn an ideal world, MS would now join with us in campaigning for the abolition ofJul 28 17:30
schestowitzsoftware patents. Oooh - what's that pink thing flapping past the window goingJul 28 17:30
schestowitz"oink"?Jul 28 17:30
schestowitzVic.Jul 28 17:30
schestowitz"Jul 28 17:30
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865024#c865116Jul 28 17:30
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schestowitzPJ:Jul 28 17:30
schestowitz"Jul 28 17:30
schestowitzAuthored by: PJ on Wednesday, July 28 2010 @ 11:28 AM EDTJul 28 17:30
schestowitzThis is more indirect, but if Psystar were toJul 28 17:30
schestowitzsucceed, it would affect FOSS. This is aboutJul 28 17:30
schestowitzcopyright, and so is the GPL.Jul 28 17:30
schestowitz"Jul 28 17:30
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865086#c865108 "Jul 28 17:30
schestowitzThis coverage isn't about buying anything.Jul 28 17:30
schestowitzIt's about a legal case.Jul 28 17:30
schestowitz"Jul 28 17:30
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MinceRno, in an ideal world m$ would have never existed :>Jul 28 17:31
MinceRnobody would have bought their craptastic basic interpretersJul 28 17:31
MinceRnobody would have bought the stolen CP/M-86 from themJul 28 17:31
MinceRetc.Jul 28 17:31
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865013#c865092Jul 28 17:32
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schestowitz"Jul 28 17:32
schestowitzLet me get this straight, PJ documenting this case is wrong because Apple isJul 28 17:32
schestowitzunethical? How so? Please cite your examples.Jul 28 17:32
schestowitzSo are corporations that are members of the US Chamber of Commerce ethical? IsJul 28 17:32
schestowitzit ethical to deny global warming? Is it ethical to continue polluting theJul 28 17:32
schestowitzenvironment and do nothing to change that?Jul 28 17:32
schestowitzApple took a stance and is no longer a member of the US Chamber of Commerce.Jul 28 17:32
schestowitzApple actually makes their computers eco friendly. Apple tries to reduce theJul 28 17:32
schestowitzdamage their computers can cause the environment.Jul 28 17:32
schestowitzSo dear friend, please tell me the ways that Apple is unethical.Jul 28 17:32
schestowitz"Jul 28 17:32
schestowitzThat's a strawman. I never said it was wrong to document this case, I said something about priority based on the actual/perceived risk to software freedom.Jul 28 17:32
schestowitz"Jul 28 17:34
schestowitzAuthored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, July 28 2010 @ 10:58 AM EDTJul 28 17:34
schestowitzIf you are going to allow people to choose a non-copyleft license, like the BSDJul 28 17:34
schestowitzor MIT licenses, you then don't get to complain that companies areJul 28 17:34
schestowitz"parasitic" when they do exactly what the license lets them do.Jul 28 17:34
schestowitzIf you want to make sure the code remains open down through the consumer chain,Jul 28 17:34
schestowitzyou use a copyleft license instead. That's why the GPL exists.Jul 28 17:34
schestowitzThat's also why there's a new version of the GPL: to block use cases that theJul 28 17:34
schestowitzauthors hadn't wanted to allow.Jul 28 17:34
schestowitz"Jul 28 17:34
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865013#c865101Jul 28 17:34
schestowitzme: "What would you say about Apple's handling of GPL-licensed software in the iSomething store? Did you see what Harald and the FSF said?"Jul 28 17:34
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schestowitzme to PJ: "Yes, I'm not denying that this has impact on the GPL. What I was thinking is, how much can Groklaw contribute to the outcome and what would be the benefit of that compared to say... analysing the T3/TH case?""Jul 28 17:37
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865085#c865121Jul 28 17:39
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schestowitzPJ: "Jul 28 17:39
schestowitzI'm trying to teach you how the legal systemJul 28 17:39
schestowitzworks, so you can be more alert to danger, becauseJul 28 17:39
schestowitzfor one thing, Microsoft has always used itsJul 28 17:39
schestowitzknowledge of the law anticompetitively. Read someJul 28 17:39
schestowitzof the contracts in the Comes collection, andJul 28 17:39
schestowitzyou'll see what I mean. Maybe it's because Gates'sJul 28 17:39
schestowitzfather is a lawyer. I don't know. But they useJul 28 17:39
schestowitzlawyers as a weapon.Jul 28 17:39
schestowitzThey are poised to use it as a weapon against FOSS.Jul 28 17:39
schestowitzThey already did it with the Novell deal, whichJul 28 17:39
schestowitzNovell didn't grok until they were taken in. IJul 28 17:39
schestowitzbelieve Microsoft did that deliberately in partJul 28 17:39
schestowitzto divide the community and isolate Novell.Jul 28 17:39
schestowitzThe FOSS community needs to understand how it allJul 28 17:39
schestowitzworks, so they are not clueless on the field withJul 28 17:39
schestowitzan adversary who totally knows what it is doing.Jul 28 17:39
schestowitz"Jul 28 17:39
schestowitz"Jul 28 17:39
schestowitzI see the TurboHercules attempt to inflame theJul 28 17:39
schestowitzcommunity against IBM in that context, just asJul 28 17:39
schestowitzI viewed the attacks on the Oracle-Sun deal inJul 28 17:39
schestowitzthat context. Microsoft, I have come to believe,Jul 28 17:39
schestowitzis not above a cynical use of the community byJul 28 17:39
schestowitzmisleading them as to what is really going on.Jul 28 17:39
schestowitzTurboHercules is not an open source company. ButJul 28 17:39
schestowitzthey tried to persuade the community that it was,Jul 28 17:39
schestowitzthat the issue was about us. And if I analyzedJul 28 17:39
schestowitzall cases the way you say you do, their littleJul 28 17:39
schestowitzscheme would have worked.Jul 28 17:39
schestowitzGames are being played out, but the goal neverJul 28 17:39
schestowitzchanges. It's about competing, unfairly, in my view,Jul 28 17:39
schestowitzusing the legal and regulatory system as a club.Jul 28 17:39
schestowitzYou want me to ignore that, and instead cheerJul 28 17:39
schestowitzFOSS on and only write about a case when it's a FOSS company or projectJul 28 17:39
schestowitzinvolved. But legal damage can be done with ANY legal case, because theJul 28 17:40
schestowitzdecisions affect allJul 28 17:40
schestowitzplayers, FOSS too, no matter who the parties were.Jul 28 17:40
schestowitz"Jul 28 17:40
schestowitz"Jul 28 17:40
schestowitzAnyway, even from a journalistic standpoint,Jul 28 17:40
schestowitzI'm not about being a fan site and defendingJul 28 17:40
schestowitzFOSS players no matter what they do, or attackingJul 28 17:40
schestowitza company in a legal case because I don't like them.Jul 28 17:40
schestowitzOn the i4i case, I did defend Microsoft, actually.Jul 28 17:40
schestowitzYou admit you were glad they were suffering inJul 28 17:40
schestowitzthe case. That's the difference between us. I don't lookJul 28 17:40
schestowitzat the parties. I look at what the effect of a caseJul 28 17:40
schestowitzwill be. i4i has strengthened the patent system'sJul 28 17:40
schestowitzissuing software patents. I will never support that.Jul 28 17:40
schestowitzSo if Microsoft is attacked with a software patent,Jul 28 17:40
schestowitzI will support Microsoft in that case.Jul 28 17:40
schestowitzSomeday, there will be another collection ofJul 28 17:40
schestowitzexhibits, I would guess, like the Comes collection,Jul 28 17:40
schestowitzand we'll find out who was who and what was what.Jul 28 17:40
schestowitzBut I bet you'll find I was in the ballpark, ifJul 28 17:40
schestowitznot exactly on bull's eye.Jul 28 17:40
schestowitz"Jul 28 17:40
schestowitzCase of point from the Comes Petition:Jul 28 17:40
schestowitz“Microsoft retaliated against industry participants that supported DR-DOS. For example, when Z-Nix Inc. bundled DR-DOS 6.0 and Microsoft Windows 3.1, proclaiming no incompatibilities, Microsoft’s Brad Silverberg wrote: “look what znix is doing! cut those fuckers off.” Within three weeks, Microsoft demanded an audit of Z-Nix’s entire business and then commenced a copyright and trademark infringement action. Z-Nix wasJul 28 17:41
schestowitzforced to file for bankruptcy in or around 1995″Jul 28 17:41
schestowitzAuthored by: LocoYokel  on Wednesday, July 28 2010 @ 01:00 PM EDTJul 28 18:44
schestowitzFor the record, I don't like Apple, I think they make shoddy, overpricedJul 28 18:44
schestowitzhardware and I don't like the way Jobs tries to dictate every little way I amJul 28 18:44
schestowitzallowed to use a device. I think there are serious issues with the doctrine ofJul 28 18:44
schestowitzfirst sale and rights exhaustion that he is violating.Jul 28 18:44
schestowitzStill, these are attacks on copyright itself and the right of creators toJul 28 18:44
schestowitzdetermine how their creations can be distributed. If these succeed think howJul 28 18:44
schestowitzlong it will be before MS takes the Linux kernel and wraps it up inside theirJul 28 18:44
schestowitzGUI using these cases to justify their actions. For that reason only I amJul 28 18:44
schestowitzsupporting Apple in this case. Otherwise I would really like to see them get aJul 28 18:44
schestowitzlesson in the fact that once I purchase a product it is mine to do with as IJul 28 18:44
schestowitzchoose and Jobs has absolutely no say in that.Jul 28 18:44
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=agreed+in+part&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865058#c865163Jul 28 18:44
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schestowitz"PJ used to defend patents." http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=First+they+came+after+Linux+...&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865016#c865167Jul 28 18:45
schestowitzHUH?Jul 28 18:45
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schestowitz"Jul 28 18:45
schestowitz... and IBM and Novell and RedHat and ...Jul 28 18:45
schestowitzand I spoke up because they were wrong.Jul 28 18:45
schestowitzThen they came after Apple and I speak up because I think they are right. PJ hasJul 28 18:45
schestowitza different opinion and that's her right. PJ used to defend patents. Only foolsJul 28 18:45
schestowitznever change their mind. Maybe one day I'll change my opinion on this but notJul 28 18:45
schestowitztoday.Jul 28 18:45
schestowitzI think what most people seem to have a problem with is all the "evilJul 28 18:45
schestowitzMicrosoft must be behind this" rhetoric. We'd prefer if discussions wereJul 28 18:45
schestowitzbased on facts instead of suspicions.Jul 28 18:45
schestowitzI'll use and promote Linux whenever I have a chance because it's open and freeJul 28 18:45
schestowitz(as in freedom). I don't promote Windows because it's neither open nor free. OSXJul 28 18:45
schestowitzis even less free than Windows therefore I will not promote it either.Jul 28 18:45
schestowitzIf I support Psystar it's not because I believe they are legally right; I'm notJul 28 18:45
schestowitza lawyer. I support them because I strongly believe that contracts should notJul 28 18:45
schestowitzallow a party to restrict someone's rights the way that the Apple EULA does.Jul 28 18:45
schestowitz- Alain BoJul 28 18:45
schestowitz"Jul 28 18:46
schestowitzIt's like reading the ACCESS troll:Jul 28 18:47
schestowitzAuthored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, July 28 2010 @ 01:28 PM EDTJul 28 18:47
schestowitzI agree with Apple's handling.Jul 28 18:47
schestowitzRight up front, when you get your Developer Agreement, Apple says you must abideJul 28 18:47
schestowitzby all licenses applicable to software you use to develop your product,Jul 28 18:47
schestowitzincluding free software you use. They actually highlighted such issues in theJul 28 18:47
schestowitzagreement.Jul 28 18:47
schestowitzThey say you cannot distribute software through the Apple store that does notJul 28 18:47
schestowitzcomply with both the license rules of the underlying source code AND Apple'sJul 28 18:47
schestowitzrules.Jul 28 18:47
schestowitzTherefore, the GPL app that got pulled was rightly pulled for being in violationJul 28 18:47
schestowitzof _Apple's_ rules for the store, which include rules that you comply with theJul 28 18:47
schestowitzGPL where appropriate.Jul 28 18:47
schestowitzPeople who downloaded that app can go after the developer to get the source codeJul 28 18:48
schestowitzfor the copies they have; no-one else has standing. But they won't get theJul 28 18:48
schestowitzsource for iOS; the app developer doesn't have the right to change the licenseJul 28 18:48
schestowitzfor anyone else's code. (That sounds familiar.)Jul 28 18:48
schestowitzExactly the same as the GPL says: if you cannot comply, you cannot distribute.Jul 28 18:48
schestowitzIf you do not distribute, the GPL doesn't matter.Jul 28 18:48
schestowitzBecause of this, I have actually re-written, from spec, a couple of libraries IJul 28 18:48
schestowitzwould like to use. Those libraries are GPL (not even LGPL), and that is not aJul 28 18:48
schestowitzsuitable license for my situation.Jul 28 18:48
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865143#c865170Jul 28 18:48
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schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Why+must+one+targeting+an+improper+concept+be+seen+as+supporting+a+specific+side%3F&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=864998#c865153Jul 28 18:54
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schestowitzStrikes a nerve :-)Jul 28 18:54
schestowitz"Jul 28 18:54
schestowitzI view war bad enough with just the basics that occur. I view war using nuclear weapons to be even more abhorrent.Jul 28 18:54
schestowitzIf Country X, in it's conflict with Country Y, was undergoing consideration of using a nuclear weapon and I stood up stating "no nuclear weapons":Jul 28 18:54
schestowitz      Why would you view me as supporting Country Y?Jul 28 18:54
schestowitz      Why would you view me as being against Country X?Jul 28 18:54
schestowitzMy statement speaks to the particular qualities of nuclear warfare, it has nothing to do with either Country. So why would you interpret my stance as anything but against the particular weapon being considered?Jul 28 18:54
schestowitzIn that same sense:Jul 28 18:54
schestowitz      Why do you view P.J.'s focus on the potential Legal fallout of an adverse ruling to be a potential attack on the GPL as any indication of any of the businesses in the discussion?Jul 28 18:54
schestowitzLet's examine the work performed to date with regards P.J.'s selection of cases to view and their impact as we currently know them.Jul 28 18:54
schestowitz      1) SCOG vs The World + Dog - Plenty of revisions and alterations to SCOGs stories. Someone not following along could easily fall prey to SCOG's silver tongue and sincerity in speach. However, with the full history documented and preserved... such revisionist history is extremely difficult.Jul 28 18:54
schestowitz      2) MS Antitrust Lawsuits - With what we've witnessed MS is doing the best job they can to make all the evidence of their anti-trust efforts to disappear. With the COMES case, a lot of that information was made publicly available. If the efforts to preserve those hadn't been made, MS may very well have made all that historical evidence disappear. Future impact includes MS being able to claim a "first offense" if thatJul 28 18:54
schestowitzinformation did not exist. Isn't educating the public on a Monopoly's business practices part of the strategy of giving market power back to the market and removing it from the Monopoly? Isn't it worth value to ensure the information is available to properly educate the appropriate authorities?Jul 28 18:54
schestowitzThose are just two examples of where the efforts to track what was actually happening has been extremely useful.Jul 28 18:54
schestowitzPerhaps instead of alluding to P.J. as an Apple appologist, you should give P.J. an opportunity - based on her track record - to see if she's right with regards something else underlying these attempts.Jul 28 18:54
schestowitzThat's just a suggestion though. Remember the basic principle of human equality:Jul 28 18:54
schestowitz      The rule you expect other's to live by, you must be willing to apply to yourself!Jul 28 18:55
schestowitzIn short: if you're going to automatically assume the worst from others based on your own apparent prejudices... then you can expect nothing more then others to assume the worst from you based on their own prejudices.Jul 28 18:55
schestowitzWith that in mind, perhaps the question you should be asking is why are you so anti-apple that you automatically view someone speaking with regards a particular legal tactic used to target Apple to be pro-Apple?Jul 28 18:55
schestowitzRASJul 28 18:55
schestowitz"Jul 28 18:55
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865085#c865177Jul 28 18:56
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schestowitzApple apologfist warning:Jul 28 18:56
schestowitz"Jul 28 18:56
schestowitzI hate Apple, because they are a cult, every much a cult as Scientology, praying on the gullible to widen their ample profit margins.Jul 28 18:56
schestowitzCult? I don't think so. My opinion is that a company (read: corporation) that consistently invests in design and execution that improves the state-of-the-art in ergonomic and intuitive progress deserves loyalty from its customers for that. Microsoft, for instance, has done little to make its products desirable to its customers, whereas Apple has done just the opposite. Apple makes products that, while perhaps just asJul 28 18:56
schestowitzproprietary as MS's, attract and appeal to users.Jul 28 18:56
schestowitzApple, IMHO, is making progress in the court of customer appeal whilst seemingly ignoring the threat of free (libre') software. In other words, they are halfway there. It's progress without achieving the end goal, where consumers have not only the benefit of customer-oriented design, but also the freedom to modify and share improvements of their own. For instance, there is a small download, at MagicPrefs that provides a wholeJul 28 18:56
schestowitzbunch of (beer-type) free enhancements to Apple's Magic Mouse settings. It's a step in the right direction, but it's being executed in a way that does not step on any of Apple's many toes. Being in a large, powerful company's good graces is difficult to achieve, and even harder to sustain. over time, we can expect Apple to feel more threatened by truly Free software, and respond to it in a turning point that reflects eitherJul 28 18:56
schestowitzunderstanding/acceptance, or rejection. Then the die will have been cast, and the long-term future of Apple and software freedom will be even clearer.Jul 28 18:56
schestowitzIt's sometimes really hard being in defense of an entity that's perfectly able to defend itself, but this shouldn't negate the ability to judge for oneself who is right and who is wrong. I may not agree 100% with PJ, and I may find that it can take time to understand and, perhaps, even come to agreement with her POV. But whatever the relationship I have with her, PJ has always shown integrity, honesty, and openness inJul 28 18:56
schestowitzdescribing her positions and defending those she believes are being wronged. And that's what the US legal system should be doing as well, always.Jul 28 18:57
schestowitz"Jul 28 18:57
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865177#c865193Jul 28 19:28
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schestowitz"Jul 28 19:28
schestowitzI think he was referring to the Apple fanboys being the cult.Jul 28 19:28
schestowitzAnd in some ways, I have to agree. The massive groupthink and "Steve canJul 28 19:28
schestowitzdo no wrong" among many of them is occasionally disturbing.Jul 28 19:28
schestowitz"Jul 28 19:28
schestowitz"Jul 28 19:29
schestowitzAuthored by: wholeflaffer  on Wednesday, July 28 2010 @ 02:17 PM EDTJul 28 19:29
schestowitzWell, then the parent should have referred to Apple's fans/customers, rather than the company itself.Jul 28 19:29
schestowitzAs to how the customers can be held responsible for Apple's decisions is an interesting question for a company that engages in proprietary and controlling behavior in its product designs.Jul 28 19:29
schestowitz"Jul 28 19:29
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865193#c865203Jul 28 19:29
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schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=apple+primarily+sells...&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865188#c865199Jul 28 19:30
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schestowitz"Jul 28 19:30
schestowitzhardware front-ends [aka storefronts] to their digital stores.Jul 28 19:30
schestowitzthese are not traditional general purpose computers, butJul 28 19:30
schestowitzinstead consumer entertainment devices with all theJul 28 19:30
schestowitzrestrictions that entails.Jul 28 19:30
schestowitzimho, apple is not part of the solution to the ms problem;Jul 28 19:30
schestowitzit's just another problem on that same spectrum.Jul 28 19:30
schestowitzsum.zeroJul 28 19:30
schestowitz"Jul 28 19:30
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865005#c865188Jul 28 19:30
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schestowitz"Jul 28 19:30
schestowitzAuthored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, July 28 2010 @ 01:44 PM EDTJul 28 19:31
schestowitzSorry, I just don't find it plausible that SCO and PsystarJul 28 19:31
schestowitzare connected, or even that the cases have much of anythingJul 28 19:31
schestowitzin common.Jul 28 19:31
schestowitzAlso, it seems that when Groklaw deals with softwareJul 28 19:31
schestowitzpatents, there is great consideration of what the law "oughtJul 28 19:31
schestowitzto be", as well as how the law currently stands. But whenJul 28 19:31
schestowitzPsystar and EULAs are covered, the dictum is that "EULAs areJul 28 19:31
schestowitzvalid, and folks who oppose EULAs are not facing reality".Jul 28 19:31
schestowitzIMHO, while I think Psystar are basically disreputableJul 28 19:31
schestowitzwould-be hitchhikers, I think that what they are doing oughtJul 28 19:31
schestowitzto be legal, but admittedly is pretty clearly illegal asJul 28 19:31
schestowitzthings currently stand.Jul 28 19:31
schestowitz"Jul 28 19:31
schestowitz"Jul 28 19:31
schestowitzBasically, I think that as publisher of OSX, Apple shouldJul 28 19:31
schestowitzhave the same rights accorded to the publisher of a book,Jul 28 19:31
schestowitznamely protection from unauthorized copying. However, thisJul 28 19:31
schestowitzshould be limited to the traditional notion of copying as inJul 28 19:31
schestowitzpublication, not technicalities like installation onto aJul 28 19:31
schestowitzsingle computer or loading into RAM. A book publisherJul 28 19:31
schestowitzdoesn't get to decide who reads the book, whether the bookJul 28 19:31
schestowitzcan be resold, or whether people can write notes in theJul 28 19:31
schestowitzmargins or hilight it. Neither should Apple have any sayJul 28 19:31
schestowitz(under copyright law, for the the moment) what folks do withJul 28 19:31
schestowitztheir legally-obtained copy of OSX. I think the recentJul 28 19:32
schestowitzdecision regarding jailbreaking was indeed relevant here.Jul 28 19:32
schestowitzApple tried to argue that jailbreaking was a copyrightJul 28 19:32
schestowitzviolation, and they were rebuffed.Jul 28 19:32
schestowitzNow, that still leaves the issue of the EULA being anJul 28 19:32
schestowitzenforceable contract. That seems to be a bit more plausible,Jul 28 19:32
schestowitzbut there are still many scenarios where someone couldJul 28 19:32
schestowitzlegally come into possession of OSX without having everJul 28 19:32
schestowitzagreed to the EULA. Let's say I find a lost MacBook, andJul 28 19:32
schestowitzcannot locate the owner. If I can legally keep it, how canJul 28 19:32
schestowitzApple that I am bound to any "contract"? It is a strangeJul 28 19:32
schestowitzcontract indeed that is "signed" by the normal operation ofJul 28 19:32
schestowitza product. If the title page of a book had a clause sayingJul 28 19:32
schestowitz"If you turn this page, you agree to this contract...",Jul 28 19:32
schestowitzwould it be enforced by a court? I doubt it.Jul 28 19:32
schestowitzSoftware publishers have unilaterally claimed "rights" thatJul 28 19:32
schestowitzhave never belonged to publishers in the past, and theJul 28 19:32
schestowitzcourts and marketplace have largely let them get away withJul 28 19:32
schestowitzit. The parallels to software patents ought to be obvious.Jul 28 19:32
schestowitzJust as software and patents "ought to get a divorce"Jul 28 19:32
schestowitzthrough court rulings, I think the control of softwareJul 28 19:32
schestowitzpublishers over their products ought to be scaled back byJul 28 19:32
schestowitzcourt rulings.Jul 28 19:32
schestowitzIANAL, etc.Jul 28 19:32
schestowitz"Jul 28 19:32
schestowitzSome people don't support Apple, either.Jul 28 19:32
schestowitz"Jul 28 19:33
schestowitzAuthored by: Lazarus  on Wednesday, July 28 2010 @ 02:01 PM EDTJul 28 19:33
schestowitzLet me preface this by saying that the only Apple product I own (as far as IJul 28 19:33
schestowitzknow) is an iPod, and a rather old one at that.Jul 28 19:33
schestowitzI dislike Apple's policies (and EULAs in general) because they don't allow theJul 28 19:33
schestowitzuser to do what they want, unless Apple has signed off on it.Jul 28 19:33
schestowitzWhile Microsoft has "traditionally" been evil, they don't particularlyJul 28 19:33
schestowitzcare what I do with the software or hardware I may purchase from them. LargelyJul 28 19:33
schestowitzbecause they're not in the same style of business as Apple.Jul 28 19:33
schestowitzApple wants to own your entire experience; they want to sell you the hardware,Jul 28 19:33
schestowitzsell you the software, limit you to their gateway, etc.Jul 28 19:33
schestowitzMS sells the software and then lets you put it on any vendor's hardware. TheyJul 28 19:33
schestowitzdon't care if it is Dell, HP, ACER, Abit, ASUS, Gigabyte, etc.Jul 28 19:33
schestowitzSo certainly, in that regard, I don't support Apple against Psystar. And IJul 28 19:33
schestowitzthink it is possible that Psystar could use the latest rulings on the DMCA inJul 28 19:33
schestowitzsupport. Yes, it is a stretch, because those exemptions are specific, but a lotJul 28 19:33
schestowitzof the same arguements are applicable.Jul 28 19:33
schestowitz---Jul 28 19:33
schestowitzDarl McBride: The Uwe Boll of the business management world.Jul 28 19:33
schestowitz"Jul 28 19:33
schestowitzAd hominem tolls arriveJul 28 20:32
schestowitz"Jul 28 20:32
schestowitzAre you familiar with Roy at all? Look at his Techrights website, read the headlines, look at the pictures, read the articles, compare and contrast them with the links posted in each one. Notice the amount of work he puts into this project. Note that some of his articles quote his own friends on IRC. Now, calculate how much time he has to devoted to his website. Then, after you've spent at least an hour digging through yearsJul 28 20:32
schestowitzof content ask us again why Roy is the way he is.Jul 28 20:32
schestowitzIf you are short on time, just look at one article. The headline reads, "Users of Microsoft Office 2010 Hate It, OpenOffice.org is Loved..." Roy's conclusive proof? Two smoking guns. A collection of comments from the comp.os.linux.advocacy group. Sure to be fair and unbiased opinions there. Then a stunning pair of Amazon.com reviews ranking OpenOffice 5 stars but only 2.5 for MS Office. Oops, he conveniently forgets toJul 28 20:32
schestowitzmention that these rankings are based on only 4 reviews for OO (all 5 starts) and 22 reviews for MS Office (half giving it 5 stars).Jul 28 20:32
schestowitz"Jul 28 20:32
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Why+must+one+targeting+an+improper+concept+be+seen+as+supporting+a+specific+side%3F&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865153#c865233Jul 28 20:32
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schestowitzHehe.Jul 28 20:33
schestowitzPJ says jesusphoneJul 28 20:33
schestowitz"Jul 28 20:33
schestowitzAuthored by: PJ on Wednesday, July 28 2010 @ 03:21 PM EDTJul 28 20:33
schestowitzThat's Fox News. It's not what the paper is apparently about. It's about words and how they are used, and an analysis of someone calling the iPhone the JesusPhone and how that impacts perception. I'd have to pay to read the whole thing, but the abstract doesn't match the description by Fox.Jul 28 20:33
schestowitzHere's what the two researchers actually wrote:Jul 28 20:33
schestowitz    How the iPhone Became Divine: New Media, Religion and the Intertextual Circulation of Meaning...Jul 28 20:33
schestowitz    AbstractJul 28 20:33
schestowitz    This article explores the labeling of the iPhone as the ‘Jesus phone’ in order to demonstrate how religious metaphors and myth can be appropriated into popular discourse and shape the reception of a technology. We consider the intertextual nature of the relationship between religious language, imagery and technology and demonstrate how this creates a unique interaction between technology fans and bloggers, news mediaJul 28 20:33
schestowitzand even corporate advertising. Our analysis of the ‘Jesus phone’ clarifies how different groups may appropriate the language and imagery of another to communicate very different meanings and intentions. Intertextuality serves as a framework to unpack the deployment of religion to frame technology and meanings communicated. We also reflect on how religious language may communicate both positive and negative aspects of aJul 28 20:34
schestowitztechnology and instigate an unintentional trajectory in popular discourse as it is employed by different audiences, both online and offline.Jul 28 20:34
schestowitz"Jul 28 20:34
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Apple+-+The+new+religion&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865226#c865236Jul 28 20:34
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schestowitzhttp://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/07/28/new-religion-apple-say-academics/Jul 28 20:34
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schestowitzhttp://www.techdrivein.com/2010/07/gereqi-yet-another-amarok-14-clone-that.htmlJul 28 20:52
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schestowitzLooks niceJul 28 20:52
schestowitzI use minirokJul 28 20:52
schestowitzamarok has many forksJul 28 20:52
schestowitzVery good nesJul 28 20:52
MinceRany with support for lots of audio file formats, including modules, SID and AdLib-type stuff?Jul 28 20:55
schestowitzNopeJul 28 21:02
schestowitzless than than amarok in minirokJul 28 21:02
schestowitzno .flaJul 28 21:02
schestowitzhttp://www.itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3895356/Linux-Music-Players-Amarok-vs-Clementine.htmJul 28 21:03
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schestowitzBut it's gentler on CPU (and RAM)Jul 28 21:03
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865188#c865257Jul 28 21:23
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schestowitz"Jul 28 21:23
schestowitzWe've been over this again and again and again. Neither Apple nor Microsoft sells you their software. Any more than does Red Hat, Mandriva, IBM, or Novell.Jul 28 21:23
schestowitzThose who wish to force Apple to divorce their software business from hardware, and adopt the same business model as Microsoft, are asking to require Apple to compete with an abusive monopoly on the monopoly's terms. Nothing could suit Redmond more.Jul 28 21:23
schestowitzThere is no COMES vs. APPLE. No anti-trust action was required to interoperate with Apple filesystems or network. Every single major Linux distribution uses Apple's Common Unix Printer System (CUPS) as its default local and network printer interface. It was Apple that first promoted Adobe PostScript as an industry standard open page description language. (Although it took awhile to develop good alternate implementations, theJul 28 21:23
schestowitzPS spec was and is open, as is PDF.)Jul 28 21:23
schestowitzApple is not Microsoft. If you don't like Apple, don't use Mac. Interoperating with those who do is not a problem. There's a huge difference.Jul 28 21:23
schestowitz"Jul 28 21:23
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865005#c865250Jul 28 21:25
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schestowitz"Jul 28 21:25
schestowitzPJ,Jul 28 21:25
schestowitzI am ambivalent concerning this case. It seems that you are defendingJul 28 21:25
schestowitzrestrictive shrink wrap EULA's and Apple's anti-competitive ways of trying toJul 28 21:25
schestowitzensure that their operating system only runs on Apple hardware.Jul 28 21:25
schestowitzIt is true that Psystar's motives are pecuniary in nature. That is a givenJul 28 21:25
schestowitzfor any commercial endeavor. Apple's motives are profit driven also. They wantJul 28 21:25
schestowitzeveryone to pay for the software and for hardware that is more expensive thanJul 28 21:25
schestowitznecessary due to a forced scarcity.Jul 28 21:25
schestowitzOf course Psystar is trying to build a business model based upon a lot ofJul 28 21:25
schestowitzlegwork by another company. But that company's operating system is built on theJul 28 21:25
schestowitzbackbone of work by many other people, which Apple obtained at what cost toJul 28 21:25
schestowitzthem?Jul 28 21:25
schestowitzIf I understand it correctly, Psystar is attempting to install MAC OSX onJul 28 21:25
schestowitzgeneric computers, and in doing so has to modify some of Apple's files whichJul 28 21:25
schestowitzlook for an Apple hardware signature when booting. They are utilizing legallyJul 28 21:26
schestowitzpurchased copies of OSX and the modifications are for interoperability purposes.Jul 28 21:26
schestowitzI though that such modifications for interoperability are part of the Fair UseJul 28 21:26
schestowitzDoctrine.Jul 28 21:26
schestowitzI don't know how different this is from a case a few years ago where LexmarkJul 28 21:26
schestowitzwas selling laser printers that had a startup routine that checked for GenuineJul 28 21:26
schestowitzLexmark Toner Cartridges and would not operate if it did not find it's taletaleJul 28 21:26
schestowitzsignature in the cartridges. A company found a way to fool the Lexmark printersJul 28 21:26
schestowitzand produced chips they sold to toner cartridge remanufacturers so theirJul 28 21:26
schestowitzcartridges could be used in Lexmark Laser printers.Jul 28 21:26
schestowitzThere are some differences to be sure. This is a hardware to hardwareJul 28 21:26
schestowitzrestriction and there was copying of copyrighted code but no changes, as IJul 28 21:26
schestowitzrecall.Jul 28 21:26
schestowitzLexmark initially won, but lost on appeal.Jul 28 21:26
schestowitzI do not think that this case compares very well to the SCOG at all.Jul 28 21:26
schestowitzI would be open to any enlightenment you or anyone else may care to shine myJul 28 21:26
schestowitzway.Jul 28 21:26
schestowitzThere are legal and ethical issues here, and maybe I have not done myJul 28 21:26
schestowitzhomework well enough.Jul 28 21:26
schestowitzBut I do wonder just how much money Apple could make by selling maybe severalJul 28 21:26
schestowitzmillion extra copies of OSX? I do not know if their hardware sales would sufferJul 28 21:26
schestowitzthat much because I think that the people who could afford a MAC would still buyJul 28 21:26
schestowitzthe real deal and not a clone.Jul 28 21:26
schestowitzGlennJul 28 21:26
schestowitz[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]Jul 28 21:26
schestowitz"Jul 28 21:26
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=So&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865167#c865252Jul 28 21:26
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schestowitz"Jul 28 21:26
schestowitzBecause you don't like Apple's EULA, you support Psystar's campaign to removeJul 28 21:26
schestowitzthe rights of software developers, and to permit the appropriation of someoneJul 28 21:26
schestowitzelse's hard work by any two-bit shyster looking to make a quick buck...?Jul 28 21:26
schestowitzBit short sighted, don't you think?Jul 28 21:26
schestowitz[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]Jul 28 21:26
schestowitz"Jul 28 21:26
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=But+I+never+asked+you....&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865233#c865256Jul 28 21:27
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schestowitz"Jul 28 21:27
schestowitzI asked Roy. He's the only one that can truly clarify the specific wording he choose. After all, you wouldn't really expect someone to be able to speak for you on their own initiative, would you?Jul 28 21:27
schestowitzIn other responses in this thread, he seems to be "back peddling" a bit trying to be more reasonable. Perhaps it's just a simple misunderstanding with regards what he posted and he'd welcome the opportunity to retract the particular words used and reword the concept he meant to express.Jul 28 21:27
schestowitzWhatever the reason, there's no reason not to be polite, point out where one sees his logical follies and ask for clarification on what was actually meant.Jul 28 21:27
schestowitz"Jul 28 21:27
schestowitz"Jul 28 21:30
schestowitzin this case, apple = copyright = gplJul 28 21:30
schestowitzAuthored by: designerfx on Wednesday, July 28 2010 @ 03:27 PM EDTJul 28 21:30
schestowitzthis is a gross oversimplification of the case but it's quiteJul 28 21:30
schestowitzaccurate.Jul 28 21:30
schestowitzit's kinda like how a law against something might really lookJul 28 21:30
schestowitzlike company x vs company y, it's really about (the issueJul 28 21:30
schestowitzcompany x is defending) vs the (issue company y is attacking).Jul 28 21:30
schestowitz"Jul 28 21:30
schestowitzme: "I still wonder, to what extent can this one case actually stifle copyright to the point where it takes away the GPL's 'teeth'? It would have to take down the whole entertainment industry down with it, no? IANAL."Jul 28 21:30
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/43948076#notice-44254461 "wow, that's more like a vat and a cauldron than a pot and a kettle!"Jul 28 22:52
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schestowitz"I saw it, and the FSF made a right mess of it. There was software in the app store that was licensed under the GPL, you could download it, get the source code, everyone was happy except the FSF. They threatened with court action, and I can very much understand that Apple doesn't feel any obligation to fight for users' rights to use GPL'd software against the FSF, and pulled the application from its store. It's exactly whyJul 28 23:46
schestowitzmany people are against the DMCA; someone makes a claim of copyright infringement and something is pulled. FSF made the claim of copyright infringement, Apple pulled the software. "Jul 28 23:46
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=agreed+in+part&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865058#c865163Jul 28 23:46
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schestowitz"Jul 28 23:46
schestowitzFor the record, I don't like Apple, I think they make shoddy, overpricedJul 28 23:46
schestowitzhardware and I don't like the way Jobs tries to dictate every little way I amJul 28 23:46
schestowitzallowed to use a device. I think there are serious issues with the doctrine ofJul 28 23:46
schestowitzfirst sale and rights exhaustion that he is violating.Jul 28 23:46
schestowitzStill, these are attacks on copyright itself and the right of creators toJul 28 23:46
schestowitzdetermine how their creations can be distributed. If these succeed think howJul 28 23:46
schestowitzlong it will be before MS takes the Linux kernel and wraps it up inside theirJul 28 23:46
schestowitzGUI using these cases to justify their actions. For that reason only I amJul 28 23:46
schestowitzsupporting Apple in this case. Otherwise I would really like to see them get aJul 28 23:46
schestowitzlesson in the fact that once I purchase a product it is mine to do with as IJul 28 23:46
schestowitzchoose and Jobs has absolutely no say in that.Jul 28 23:46
schestowitz"Jul 28 23:46
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=This+IS+an+attack+on+the+rights+of+authors&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865179#c865290Jul 28 23:47
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schestowitz"Jul 28 23:47
schestowitzAuthored by: Imaginos1892  on Wednesday, July 28 2010 @ 05:11 PM EDTJul 28 23:47
schestowitzY'all keep saying that MacOS X is "like a book"? OK, suppose a publisher sells a certainJul 28 23:47
schestowitzpaperback book for $8.00, and sells the same content in a hardcover book for $25.00. SupposeJul 28 23:47
schestowitzyou buy that paperback, scan/OCR it, print it out on larger paper, bind it into a hardcoverJul 28 23:47
schestowitzbook, and sell both it and the original paperback for $18.00. Would you consider that legal,Jul 28 23:47
schestowitzethical, or moral? I wouldn't. Suppose you decide to start a business doing that on a largeJul 28 23:47
schestowitzscale. Would you not expect the publisher and author to tell you to stop, and to sue you forJul 28 23:47
schestowitzeverything but your skivvies if you refused? I would.Jul 28 23:47
schestowitzThat pretty much sums up what Pystar is trying to do to Apple.Jul 28 23:47
schestowitzRemember that, outside of a contractural relationship with Apple, you do not have any rightsJul 28 23:47
schestowitzto MacOS X. None. Nunc. Nada. Zip. Zilch. You do not have any right to buy, sell, copy, use,Jul 28 23:47
schestowitzinstall, or modify it, or even to admire the shiny silver disk. Apple wrote it, Apple owns it,Jul 28 23:47
schestowitzand they have the absolute right to sell, lease or license copies to anybody, or nobody, underJul 28 23:47
schestowitzany terms they choose. It is as much Apple's right to refuse to do business with you on termsJul 28 23:47
schestowitzthey don't agree with as it is your right to refuse to do business with them for similar reasons.Jul 28 23:47
schestowitzYou are completely free to resent Apple's licensing terms, and not buy MacOS X. You have noJul 28 23:47
schestowitzright to force Apple to do business with you on terms they reject. How would you feel if theyJul 28 23:47
schestowitzgot laws passed to force you to do business with them on terms you considered onerousJul 28 23:47
schestowitzand unfair?Jul 28 23:47
schestowitzApple has spent ten years and over a billion dollars creating MacOS X. You have not. TheirsJul 28 23:47
schestowitzis the right to decide what it is worth, not yours.Jul 28 23:47
schestowitz----------------------------------Jul 28 23:47
schestowitzNobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!!Jul 28 23:47
schestowitz"Jul 28 23:47
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865250#c865298Jul 28 23:48
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schestowitz"Jul 28 23:48
schestowitzAuthored by: Imaginos1892  on Wednesday, July 28 2010 @ 05:23 PM EDTJul 28 23:48
schestowitzThey are utilizing legally purchased copies of OSX..Jul 28 23:48
schestowitzNo, they are not. They are using copies purchased under false pretenses, in that they have agreedJul 28 23:48
schestowitzto certain conditions of use which they then proceed to violate. Since they have not fulfilled the termsJul 28 23:48
schestowitzof the agreement, their rights under that agreement are forfeit.Jul 28 23:48
schestowitz"Jul 28 23:48
schestowitzSo many apologistsJul 28 23:48
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=So&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865167#c865252Jul 28 23:49
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schestowitz"Jul 28 23:49
schestowitzAuthored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, July 28 2010 @ 03:43 PM EDTJul 28 23:49
schestowitzBecause you don't like Apple's EULA, you support Psystar's campaign to removeJul 28 23:49
schestowitzthe rights of software developers, and to permit the appropriation of someoneJul 28 23:49
schestowitzelse's hard work by any two-bit shyster looking to make a quick buck...?Jul 28 23:49
schestowitzBit short sighted, don't you think?Jul 28 23:49
schestowitz"Jul 28 23:49
schestowitzThe agitators step inJul 28 23:50
schestowitz"Jul 28 23:50
schestowitzDefending Larry Flint and his right to publish was not a defense of pornographyJul 28 23:50
schestowitzalthough Mr. Flint's porn business benefited no doubt. The "I know what itJul 28 23:50
schestowitzis when I see it" type laws would also apply to any minority ideals beingJul 28 23:50
schestowitzsuppressed by majorities. Porn and Publish both start with the same letter;Jul 28 23:51
schestowitzThats about all they have in common yet people with high morals defended both onJul 28 23:51
schestowitzthat day in court.Jul 28 23:51
schestowitz"Jul 28 23:51
schestowitz"Jul 28 23:51
schestowitzI hate Apple, because they are a cult, every much a cult as Scientology,Jul 28 23:52
schestowitzI think your reality is not my reality.Jul 28 23:52
schestowitz"Jul 28 23:52
schestowitz"Jul 28 23:52
schestowitz> if she wants to be an Apple apologist and pick theJul 28 23:52
schestowitz> ethically wrong side (imo) in the Psystar case, that's herJul 28 23:52
schestowitz> prerogative.Jul 28 23:52
schestowitzI cannot possibly understand how you could take that position, unless you are onJul 28 23:52
schestowitzPsystar's payroll.Jul 28 23:53
schestowitzApple might be becoming more evil by the day, but they are clearly in the rightJul 28 23:53
schestowitzin this case; Psystar committed simple copyright infringement, and have admittedJul 28 23:53
schestowitzas much. the only way they could possibly be in the right is if the copyrightJul 28 23:53
schestowitzlaw were to be repealed - and FOSS relies on that law, so I do not want that toJul 28 23:53
schestowitzhappen.Jul 28 23:53
schestowitz> However, what this should tell us is that the FLOSSJul 28 23:53
schestowitz> community needs a site other than Groklaw as its legalJul 28 23:53
schestowitz> nexus.Jul 28 23:53
schestowitzThe Internet is that way ---> Feel free to register a new domain.Jul 28 23:53
schestowitz> We need an open site, because it's likely we and PJ willJul 28 23:53
schestowitz> not always be on the same side.Jul 28 23:53
schestowitzI frequently disagree with PJ - and we've thrashed stuff out both here andJul 28 23:53
schestowitzoff-list. Differing opinions is one thing - but the sort of claims you're comingJul 28 23:53
schestowitzup with amount to no more thatn a personal attack.Jul 28 23:53
schestowitz> PJ likes to post articles making arguments for Apple, notJul 28 23:53
schestowitz> Psystar.Jul 28 23:53
schestowitzThere are no arguments to be made for Psystar. They're wrong.Jul 28 23:53
schestowitz> Those of us who know that our interests truly lie withJul 28 23:53
schestowitz> PsystarJul 28 23:53
schestowitzThat sounds almost like an admission that you are on their payroll...Jul 28 23:53
schestowitzThere is *no way* - none at all - that Psystar can benefit FLOSS. They areJul 28 23:53
schestowitzsimply a grubby little parasite. They have done nothing but take someone'sJul 28 23:53
schestowitzproprietary code and copy it without a licence, to create another proprietaryJul 28 23:53
schestowitzmachine. They are the bad guys.Jul 28 23:53
schestowitzThe fact that Apple are decidedly less-than-good makes no difference; they areJul 28 23:53
schestowitzin the right, and they deserve to demolish Psystar.Jul 28 23:53
schestowitz> I don't have the answer, hereJul 28 23:53
schestowitzYou can say that again.Jul 28 23:53
schestowitzVic.Jul 28 23:53
schestowitz"Jul 28 23:53
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schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Well%2C+no&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865033#c865337Jul 29 07:04
schestowitz"Jul 29 07:04
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schestowitzWell, noJul 29 07:04
schestowitzAuthored by: argee on Wednesday, July 28 2010 @ 07:12 PM EDTJul 29 07:04
schestowitzOS/X or iPhone OS are proprietary software. Belongs to apple.Jul 29 07:04
schestowitzIf they want you to wear a green cap when you use, they canJul 29 07:04
schestowitzcertainly require that in their EULA.Jul 29 07:04
schestowitzThere *no* software freedom here, it is PROPRIETARY. WhatJul 29 07:04
schestowitzpart don't you get? They can do as they please with it.Jul 29 07:04
schestowitzAnd they are not a monopoly, so that charge cannot beJul 29 07:04
schestowitzleveraged against them like to MS.Jul 29 07:04
schestowitzApple != LinuxJul 29 07:04
schestowitzYes it would be nice if Apple was "open", but they are not.Jul 29 07:04
schestowitzThey make a nice product, they have a lot of appeal to aJul 29 07:04
schestowitzlot of people. You do not have to use it. Get a PC,Jul 29 07:04
schestowitza Droid or a Linux box if you don't like it.Jul 29 07:04
schestowitzWhat PJ is doing here is defending copyright rights. ItJul 29 07:04
schestowitzis those rights that in turn protect the GPL. It is aJul 29 07:04
schestowitztwo edged sword: protects the GPL, but also protectsJul 29 07:04
schestowitzApple and its choice of software licensing which isJul 29 07:04
schestowitzmost assuredly *not* GPL.Jul 29 07:04
schestowitz"Jul 29 07:04
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Well%2C+no&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865337#c865423Jul 29 07:05
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schestowitz"Jul 29 07:05
schestowitzWell, noJul 29 07:05
schestowitzAuthored by: Anonymous on Thursday, July 29 2010 @ 12:20 AM EDTJul 29 07:05
schestowitzYou missed the point and in return inadvertently restated itJul 29 07:05
schestowitzfor him.Jul 29 07:05
schestowitzWhen we speak in favor of Apple, and when we champion theirJul 29 07:05
schestowitzcauses, we give them brand recognition and may convey theJul 29 07:05
schestowitzsense that Apple is a company people approve of. They areJul 29 07:05
schestowitznot, in general.Jul 29 07:05
schestowitzWhile they may not be a monopoly in the literal sense, theyJul 29 07:05
schestowitzdo command an major market share in the arenas theyJul 29 07:05
schestowitzparticipate in, and they enjoy almost unparalleled freeJul 29 07:05
schestowitzpublicity through journalism and news reporting.Jul 29 07:05
schestowitzThe dirty underbelly though is seldom seen and for thatJul 29 07:05
schestowitzreason alone we should be ready to remind people that thisJul 29 07:05
schestowitzis a company that launches frivolous lawsuits to stall forJul 29 07:05
schestowitztime, that has tried to silence legitimate journalism andJul 29 07:05
schestowitzcensor the press, that has in at least one case engaged whatJul 29 07:05
schestowitzamounts to a personal army of police to illegally seize andJul 29 07:05
schestowitzcensure a private citizens property without basis.Jul 29 07:05
schestowitzThis is a company that restricts its customers to a greaterJul 29 07:05
schestowitzdegree than Microsoft ever did, with labyrinthine EULA's. AJul 29 07:05
schestowitzcompany that has changed it's license agreements for noJul 29 07:05
schestowitzpurpose other than to deny legitimate competition on theJul 29 07:05
schestowitzapplication front.Jul 29 07:06
schestowitzThis is a company that has an absolute disregard andJul 29 07:06
schestowitzarrogance towards its customers.Jul 29 07:06
schestowitzThis is a company that deserves no respect on the moral andJul 29 07:06
schestowitzethical fronts.Jul 29 07:06
schestowitzNo, Apple is not open. It is not friendly, if anything, theJul 29 07:06
schestowitzopposite is true. By promoting them as anything but whatJul 29 07:06
schestowitzthey are, we obscure this fact, and in turn, misrepresentJul 29 07:06
schestowitzthe company that Apple is.Jul 29 07:06
schestowitz"Jul 29 07:06
schestowitz"Jul 29 07:06
schestowitz     I support Apple's case against Pystar. I also support Groklaw's many brains, which I think can focus more on subjects that the FSF is too understaffed to handle; let Apple's army of lawyers fight Pystar.Jul 29 07:06
schestowitzWell, as I recall, such was PJ's original take as well. But there was a *lot* of popular demand that she comment (as in PJ comments requiring thought) specifically upon this case. And you know how problems are, once one sinks one's teeth into them.Jul 29 07:06
schestowitz:-)Jul 29 07:06
schestowitz"Jul 29 07:06
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865177#c865427Jul 29 07:08
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schestowitz"Jul 29 07:08
schestowitzDo they? I don't find the iPhone, in any of it'sJul 29 07:08
schestowitzincarnations, particular innovative or appealing. ThatJul 29 07:08
schestowitzdoesn't stop the endless slew of media reports about eachJul 29 07:08
schestowitzphone, and the iPad, up to each devices release and after.Jul 29 07:08
schestowitzThere must be thousands of individual news articles writtenJul 29 07:08
schestowitzabout each of these devices from nothing more than aJul 29 07:08
schestowitzsensationalist perspecitve, prior to their release. WhatJul 29 07:08
schestowitzother company receives so much free positive publicityJul 29 07:08
schestowitzleading up to launch than Apple?Jul 29 07:08
schestowitzBut are the products themselves really that good? From aJul 29 07:08
schestowitztechnical stand point... no, not really. Are they moreJul 29 07:08
schestowitzergonomically friendly? No. The iPad without an additionalJul 29 07:08
schestowitzstand is too heavy to safely hold for extended periods inJul 29 07:08
schestowitzthe grip that is generally required to use it. Are theyJul 29 07:08
schestowitztechnologically more innovative? No. There are smart phonesJul 29 07:08
schestowitzon the market that have better hardware than the iPhoneJul 29 07:08
schestowitzseries. Do they foster innovation, creativity, and theJul 29 07:08
schestowitzprogress of the useful sciences? No. In fact, they stifleJul 29 07:08
schestowitzthis. They censor the commons. Did you know that the YouTubeJul 29 07:08
schestowitzapp on the iPhone returns filtered results specifically toJul 29 07:08
schestowitzpush iTunes sales? Try doing a search for the official videoJul 29 07:08
schestowitzof "Cry Me a River" by Michael Buble. On Youtube, it is oneJul 29 07:09
schestowitzof the top results. On the iPhone Youtube app it doesn'tJul 29 07:09
schestowitzshow at all even if you include "official video" in theJul 29 07:09
schestowitzsearch text. Apps have been pulled from the app store on noJul 29 07:09
schestowitzother basis than that Apple doesn't want you to have thatJul 29 07:09
schestowitzkind of app on YOUR phone.Jul 29 07:09
schestowitzApple is a company that calls video chat an innovation forJul 29 07:09
schestowitzthe ages. A company that has a huge disregard for theirJul 29 07:09
schestowitzusers. A company that thrives really not because of theJul 29 07:09
schestowitzdevices they produce but their command and control of publicJul 29 07:09
schestowitzperception of those devices and the whoring of theJul 29 07:09
schestowitzmainstream media to promote those perceptions.Jul 29 07:09
schestowitzAnd as we all know, perception and reality are two veryJul 29 07:09
schestowitzdifferent things.Jul 29 07:09
schestowitz"Jul 29 07:09
schestowitz"Jul 29 07:09
schestowitzit's complicated, and I get it mixed up all the time. go readJul 29 07:09
schestowitzthe old psystar stuff to explain it. It is a complex conceptJul 29 07:09
schestowitzto wrap your head around.Jul 29 07:09
schestowitzplease don't take this as an insult. I just think it's hardJul 29 07:09
schestowitzenough to explain that I wouldn't be able to explain it to youJul 29 07:09
schestowitzproperly.Jul 29 07:09
schestowitz"Jul 29 07:09
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=here%2C+lemme+help+with+that...&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865356#c865406Jul 29 07:10
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schestowitz"Jul 29 07:10
schestowitzPlease re-read that one carefully. By developing and marketing an "integrated product" -- hardware and software tied together -- Apple is continuing to follow the same proprietary business model used by, and accepted by the courts, every one from IBM to Boroughs, Sperry Univac, Data General, Prime, Tandem, Digital Equipment, Sequent, NEC, Convex, Masscomp, Cray, Hewlett-Packard, Motorola, Apple, and a raft of others.Jul 29 07:10
schestowitzOutside of (b) above and Pystar's related anti-trust claim that was rejected by the court (in which case the IBM/Amdahl case might have applied but it doesn't), this is a model that has been used since the early daze of the computer industry, going back at least fifty years. Businesses have relied upon this particular accepted protection of the copyright law.Jul 29 07:10
schestowitzNow Pystar comes along and asks the courts to narrowly redefine "copyright misuse" to include refusal to sell software, otherwise available for sale linked to a hardware purchase, at reasonable and non-discriminatory rates to all comers. Well guess what -- we have seen more than just several companies who would like the exact same (exact to the extent that I'm not a lawyer) redefinition of "copyright misuse" applied toJul 29 07:10
schestowitzsoftware otherwise available under conditions of the GPL or other 0wnerous licenses. So that a proprietary company should be allowed to license e.g. BusyBox or OpenOffice or Firefox or Linux kernel with all its cool file systems, HPC scalability, and enterprise hardiness under traditional (i.e. proprietary) RAND conditions as well.Jul 29 07:10
schestowitzAnd oh by the way, this rule change is to be made twenty years after folks started building this Free Software ball of wax, and will be retroactive. Natch.Jul 29 07:10
schestowitzTalking about requesting "Legislation from the Bench. If Congress in their collective wisdom were to amend the copyright laws to reflect such a change, how long does one suppose it would take the courts to reject it on Constitutional grounds?Jul 29 07:10
schestowitz:-)Jul 29 07:10
schestowitzOne can hope they would. An Apple victory over Pystar would at least provide a useful precedent.Jul 29 07:10
schestowitz"Jul 29 07:10
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Google+Code&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=864998#c865338Jul 29 07:11
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schestowitz"Jul 29 07:11
schestowitzmight be another reason for the recent animosity between GoogleJul 29 07:11
schestowitzand Apple. You can freely download from a Google code pageJul 29 07:11
schestowitza "Netbook Maker" which will modify a USB stick cloned MacOSJul 29 07:11
schestowitzinstaller with the necessary bootloader and patched kernel extensions.Jul 29 07:11
schestowitzThe Google page has a Wiki, bug reporting, all the usual, and aJul 29 07:11
schestowitz"Netbook Installer" which patches Apple's kernel for unsupportedJul 29 07:11
schestowitzcpus. Heh, "About this Mac" reads Macbook Air on an Aspire One.Jul 29 07:11
schestowitzI won't post the link here, you can find it easy from the descriptionJul 29 07:11
schestowitz"Jul 29 07:11
schestowitz"Jul 29 07:15
schestowitzAuthored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, July 28 2010 @ 08:09 PM EDTJul 29 07:15
schestowitzYou may be disappointed that other people are willing to defend againstJul 29 07:15
schestowitzinjustices they see, regardless of how well off or not they think the victim is,Jul 29 07:15
schestowitzbut I find it encouraging. Your argument seems to be that we only have a limitedJul 29 07:15
schestowitzamount of energy to do good, so we should husband it. I tend to think insteadJul 29 07:15
schestowitzthat energy expended doing good is never wasted, but instead will often beJul 29 07:15
schestowitzreturned in greater amounts to continue forward even more strongly.Jul 29 07:15
schestowitzYour ample history of internet postings shows a rather one-sided negativeJul 29 07:15
schestowitzattitude against whole organizations and corporations over a few allegedJul 29 07:15
schestowitzsleights. What you should realize is that these entities are made up of manyJul 29 07:15
schestowitzindividuals, and the "character" of the entities is neither asJul 29 07:15
schestowitzone-dimensional nor as static as you seem to believe. Entities can and do changeJul 29 07:15
schestowitzover time. FOSS will be better served by growing a diverse community ofJul 29 07:15
schestowitzsupporters rather than shrinking it down to only a small number of ideologicalJul 29 07:15
schestowitzpurists.Jul 29 07:15
schestowitzI think FOSS is best advanced by allowing it to show its benefits in fair andJul 29 07:16
schestowitzopen comparisons against alternatives, including proprietary solutions. ThatJul 29 07:16
schestowitzallows competition to drive advancements for everyone's benefit. ProprietaryJul 29 07:16
schestowitzapproaches are not evil per se. What is evil are attempts to stifle fairJul 29 07:16
schestowitzcompetition and/or unfairly withhold the rewards of hard work from the peopleJul 29 07:16
schestowitzwho have earned it. Not defending against such dishonest behavior ultimatelyJul 29 07:16
schestowitzhurts everyone.Jul 29 07:16
schestowitz"Jul 29 07:16
schestowitz"Jul 29 07:16
schestowitzWell, I was disappointed too, but I'm realizing that PsyStar really is wrongJul 29 07:16
schestowitzabout this.Jul 29 07:16
schestowitzThey could do something like this as an integrator for Microsoft, becauseJul 29 07:16
schestowitzMicrosoft sets the rules in their game up that way. (Not sure how much troubleJul 29 07:16
schestowitzthey'd make for themselves by doing it without a contract with Microsoft.)Jul 29 07:17
schestowitzApple chose a different route.Jul 29 07:17
schestowitzWhen Apple controls over 50% of the general market, that's the time to startJul 29 07:17
schestowitzfussing about their attempts to control their part of the market.Jul 29 07:17
schestowitzIn the meantime, many of us here use Fedora and Ubuntu and openBSD, etc.Jul 29 07:17
schestowitz"Jul 29 07:17
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MinceRuntil now i didn't realize that the kde4 panel when autohidden does actually take away a significant clickable screen areaJul 29 10:11
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MinceRhere i have a small always-visible panel and a bigger autohiding oneJul 29 13:29
schestowitzThat's what I did in 2006-2008Jul 29 13:41
schestowitzFOr IRC and mail alertsJul 29 13:41
MinceR:)Jul 29 13:42
schestowitzHmm... why did I ever stop it...?Jul 29 13:42
*schestowitz getting busyJul 29 13:42
schestowitzside panell...Jul 29 13:43
schestowitz*nel..Jul 29 13:43
schestowitzNice...!Jul 29 13:50
schestowitzI wish I had done this earlierJul 29 13:50
schestowitzbrbJul 29 13:56
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schestowitzI go for K.I.S.S.Jul 29 13:58
schestowitzI have just left all channels, except 3 (the techrights ones)Jul 29 13:58
schestowitzReducing distraction this wayJul 29 13:58
MinceRi'm on 57 channels, including &bitlbeeJul 29 14:06
schestowitzNo slowdown?Jul 29 14:10
schestowitzIIRC you run it on a serverJul 29 14:10
MinceRno slowdown, afaictJul 29 14:10
schestowitzIn my case there was RAM bloat from channels like #ubuntuJul 29 14:10
schestowitzscreen buffer 5000 linesJul 29 14:10
MinceRi never stayed on #ubuntu for long because it was all noise and no contentJul 29 14:10
schestowitzI also sort of quit USENETJul 29 14:10
schestowitzI think permanentlyJul 29 14:11
MinceR150354 scrollback_lines = 500Jul 29 14:11
schestowitzIt's dying because ISPs and Hollywood help it dieJul 29 14:11
schestowitz[14:10] <MinceR> i never stayed on #ubuntu for long because it was all noise and no contentJul 29 14:11
MinceRby the time i found usenet it was already mostly spam so i never joinedJul 29 14:11
schestowitzIt's n00bsJul 29 14:11
MinceRexactlyJul 29 14:11
schestowitzPeople who know neither netiquette nor LinuxJul 29 14:11
MinceRnor ubuntuJul 29 14:11
schestowitzThey open the xchat thingie and ask questions, then vanishJul 29 14:12
MinceRnone of the questions i asked were ever answered in any wayJul 29 14:12
schestowitzMinceR: cause the experts don't hang out thereJul 29 14:12
schestowitzit's n00bs4noobsJul 29 14:12
schestowitzUSENET has such newsgroups tooJul 29 14:12
schestowitzHit and run postersJul 29 14:12
schestowitzFrom Google Groups usuallyJul 29 14:12
schestowitzPointless at bestJul 29 14:12
MinceRhit and run, like yuhong?Jul 29 14:12
schestowitzNoJul 29 14:13
schestowitzWorseJul 29 14:13
schestowitzAt least he comes backJul 29 14:13
MinceRi wish he didn'tJul 29 14:13
MinceRhe just keeps doing the same shit over and overJul 29 14:13
schestowitzFor 2 years nowJul 29 14:13
schestowitzWe had him banned at the startJul 29 14:14
schestowitzNot meJul 29 14:14
schestowitzSlated banned himJul 29 14:14
schestowitzCause he did "buzz marketing" for Vista (so Slated said)Jul 29 14:14
MinceRsounds entirely plausibleJul 29 14:14
MinceRand when it isn't "buzz marketing", it's just drive-by trollingJul 29 14:14
schestowitzI would not go that far{tm}Jul 29 14:15
MinceRi didJul 29 14:15
schestowitzI would not go that far{tm}Jul 29 14:15
*schestowitz leavesJul 29 14:15
MinceRlolJul 29 14:15
schestowitzhttp://www.fsdaily.com/Opposition/Presentation_Slides_Threats_to_Software_Freedom huh?Jul 29 14:35
schestowitz"I'm surprised to see this coming from techrights.org. Somebody's clearly been doing some thinking. Whereas I usually ignore posts from techrights, this presentation is worth the time it takes to go through it. The slides by themselves are points to talk to... so I expect the meat of the presentation isn't represented by the slides. But it's still worthwhile to read though. Hopefully this marks a change in quality of storiesJul 29 14:35
phIRCe-localTitle: Presentation Slides: Threats to Software Freedom | fsdaily.com - Free Software News .::. Size~: 30.72 KBJul 29 14:35
schestowitzcoming from techrights."Jul 29 14:35
schestowitzDo they think I'm harsh?Jul 29 14:35
schestowitzI think techdirt had the same perception issueJul 29 14:35
schestowitzThey are dismissive cause they assume I just rantJul 29 14:39
oiaohmOk schestowitz video footage might be shot but is audio ok?  schestowitzJul 29 14:44
oiaohmIe remake job use the slides for the video partJul 29 14:45
schestowitzaudio too poorJul 29 14:47
oiaohmBuggerJul 29 14:48
oiaohmThere is one nightmare option.  Reinactment.Jul 29 14:48
oiaohmReally those slides are almost the mission statement of techrights and boycottnovell before it.Jul 29 14:50
schestowitzhttp://royaldutchshellplc.com/2010/07/23/technician-deepwater-horizon-warning-system-disabled/Jul 29 14:59
phIRCe-localTitle:    Technician: Deepwater Horizon warning system disabled  Royal Dutch Shell plc .com .::. Size~: 82.16 KBJul 29 14:59
schestowitzoiaohm: not necessarilyJul 29 15:00
schestowitzIn any case, it's easy for me to talk for hours about these points if I do so in the futureJul 29 15:05
schestowitzhttp://www.muktware.com/news/25/2010/247Jul 29 15:05
phIRCe-localTitle: Dell Is Dropping Linux! | Muktware .::. Size~: 16.29 KBJul 29 15:05
schestowitzNOTJul 29 15:05
schestowitzhttp://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9179766/Google_patches_Chrome_sidesteps_Windows_kernel_bugJul 29 15:10
phIRCe-localTitle: Google patches Chrome, sidesteps Windows kernel bug - Computerworld .::. Size~: 75.61 KBJul 29 15:10
schestowitzHehJul 29 15:10
schestowitzGotta love itJul 29 15:10
schestowitzThey treat Windows like thisJul 29 15:10
MinceRthey know it's never going to be fixed :>Jul 29 15:11
schestowitzCNET still posts bollox http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20011582-64.htmlJul 29 15:31
phIRCe-localTitle: Mimicking Apple an imperative for PC makers | Nanotech - The Circuits Blog - CNET News .::. Size~: 264.71 KBJul 29 15:31
schestowitzResurrection+Heaven story imperative for religion tooJul 29 15:31
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