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| schestowitz | [01:30] <tessier> I just realized: Since we went to the proxy the anti-DDoS iptables rules I have in place won't work since all of the connections come from the proxy now. In fact, I'm surprised the proxy itself didn't get blocked by those rules at some point. | Jul 01 01:55 |
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| schestowitz | [01:31] <schestowitz> The proxy has worked very well in general; the uptime and service has been excellent since the hardware issue was resolved; I see no reasons for DDOS | Jul 01 01:55 |
| schestowitz | [01:32] <schestowitz> In fact, there has been no reason for aggravation for a long time; I don't associate myself with inflammatory people like "ender" and the bad crowd they bring | Jul 01 01:55 |
| schestowitz | [01:35] <tessier> cool | Jul 01 01:55 |
| schestowitz | [01:36] <schestowitz> it's crowd like "Flatfish" and "Lefty" you want nothing to do with | Jul 01 01:55 |
| schestowitz | [01:36] <schestowitz> Serial psychopathic slanderers | Jul 01 01:55 |
| schestowitz | [01:37] <schestowitz> Lefty got ender fired | Jul 01 01:55 |
| schestowitz | [01:37] <schestowitz> Called his boss and told him lies, in case you haven't see the story | Jul 01 01:55 |
| schestowitz | [01:37] <schestowitz> *seen | Jul 01 01:55 |
| schestowitz | [01:37] <schestowitz> I remember when Gary 'flatfish' was mass-mailing profs in my university | Jul 01 01:55 |
| schestowitz | [01:38] <schestowitz> Promoting Linux is 'dangerous business'\ | Jul 01 01:55 |
| schestowitz | [01:41] <schestowitz> Their general method that I've come to see over the years is portraying advocates as dangerous radicals. They also do this to "[H]omer" from COLA. "Lefty" set up a whole Web site, BoycottBoycottNovell to attack me. He has like TWENTY other sites like that. | Jul 01 01:55 |
| schestowitz | [01:43] <tessier> No, I hadn't seen that story. Horrible. | Jul 01 01:56 |
| schestowitz | [01:43] <schestowitz> Lefty called the employer and accused him of using drugs | Jul 01 01:56 |
| schestowitz | [01:43] <schestowitz> The boss didn't find anything after searching but fired him anyway | Jul 01 01:56 |
| schestowitz |  | Jul 01 01:56 |
| schestowitz | [01:44] <tessier> It is rare that online disputes have real world ramifications. | Jul 01 01:56 |
| schestowitz | [01:48] <schestowitz> It happened in COLA too, before I was even on USENET | Jul 01 01:56 |
| schestowitz | [01:48] <tessier> I once had someone contact my employer but they laughed it off. | Jul 01 01:56 |
| schestowitz | [01:48] <schestowitz> Someone called someone's boss | Jul 01 01:56 |
| schestowitz | [01:49] <schestowitz> Zealots about proprietary software | Jul 01 01:56 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: don't speak with the "Lefty" troll | Jul 01 01:56 |
| schestowitz | Some people from the main IRC channel make this mistake | Jul 01 01:56 |
| schestowitz | I know you don't, but anyway, we should not mention the trolls either (that's what they want) | Jul 01 01:56 |
| oiaohm | He don't speak to me schestowitz | Jul 06 02:37 |
| oiaohm | You are not to know but he tried tolling in winehq-social a long time ago ie that wine was illegal trolling. Ever since he refuses to talk to me. End result was a log that wine used on there mailing list to prove how legal wine as that even a troll could not find a whole. | Jul 06 02:39 |
| oiaohm | One way to get rid of lefty is trap him that way. | Jul 06 02:40 |
| schestowitz | can you find the thread? | Jul 06 07:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/39018398 "The guy is bashing Puppy. How ignorant. Puppy helps me a lot in a daily basis. Make old computers work." | Jul 06 07:35 |
| schestowitz | Hm.... just attacking anyone critical of Linux? | Jul 06 07:35 |
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| *MinceR hates dogs | Jul 06 07:46 | |
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| phIRCe-local | Hello World! I'm phIRCe-local running phIRCe v0.3 | Jul 06 07:57 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Main Page - Techrights .::. Size~: 37.55 KB | Jul 06 07:57 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: Its in the time frame wine did not keep good mailing list records. | Jul 06 13:19 |
| oiaohm | But I know lefty he will screw up again. | Jul 06 13:21 |
| schestowitz | Thanks | Jul 06 13:41 |
| schestowitz | That's valuable to know | Jul 06 13:41 |
| schestowitz | He has two decades of abusing FOSS projects, then bullying people who dissent against him | Jul 06 13:41 |
| schestowitz | In case you don't know, he blew on me after he had threatened to sue someone, who in turn threw the pshycho at me | Jul 06 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Since then I saw him threatening at least 5 people | Jul 06 13:42 |
| schestowitz | he's a nutter with a lawyer dad | Jul 06 13:42 |
| MinceR | http://rofl.wheresthebeef.co.uk/areyougay.jpg | Jul 06 13:43 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Index of / .::. Size~: 199.06 KB | Jul 06 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he was cheerful | Jul 06 13:57 |
| oiaohm | Over the 2 decades there are many people like me he avoids. | Jul 06 13:57 |
| schestowitz | He picks on strong /free/ proponent | Jul 06 13:58 |
| schestowitz | Strong in the intensity sense | Jul 06 13:58 |
| schestowitz | Like RMS | Jul 06 13:58 |
| schestowitz | Not the Apple (exploiter) type | Jul 06 13:58 |
| schestowitz | apple.com/opensource :-) | Jul 06 13:58 |
| schestowitz | Bunch of bloody liars | Jul 06 13:58 |
| oiaohm | I have not seen him touch RMS recently. | Jul 06 14:02 |
| schestowitz | He hardly touched anyone, except Brandon | Jul 06 14:05 |
| schestowitz | It's like Muslims and drawings | Jul 06 14:06 |
| schestowitz | He basically bullies people until they are reluctant to even respond to him | Jul 06 14:06 |
| schestowitz | Like beheading people people who draw Mohammed | Jul 06 14:06 |
| schestowitz | That's how he engages in suppressing/censoring opposition to his agenda | Jul 06 14:06 |
| oiaohm | What he complained about with me is that at the time I was highly dyslexic. | Jul 06 14:08 |
| oiaohm | So my writing was hell. | Jul 06 14:08 |
| oiaohm | Basically we tag teamed him. | Jul 06 14:08 |
| oiaohm | He is not a person for numbers he loves 1 on 1 | Jul 06 14:08 |
| oiaohm | Not 20 on 1. | Jul 06 14:08 |
| oiaohm | Yes I have too much on his profile. | Jul 06 14:09 |
| oiaohm | I don't think you have seen me bad with dyslexic its also the reason why I want to leave that mail message in the past. | Jul 06 14:09 |
| oiaohm | But the information on his weaknesses are useful. | Jul 06 14:10 |
| oiaohm | Simple rule don't take lefty on alone. If he tries to take you on alone get backup. | Jul 06 14:13 |
| schestowitz | People generally know I chose to ignore him | Jul 06 14:34 |
| schestowitz | He wasted so much of my time | Jul 06 14:34 |
| oiaohm | Note setup takes planning. | Jul 06 14:36 |
| oiaohm | ignore or trap only two methods that work against him. | Jul 06 14:37 |
| oiaohm | If you are alone ignore is the right option. | Jul 06 14:38 |
| oiaohm | If it was the case of winehq-social were I appeared to be alone but was able to call in support from all over the place its time to play trap on him. | Jul 06 14:39 |
| oiaohm | Ie if you get a chance to play trap don't miss it schestowitz after that he does not talk to you. He ignores you. | Jul 06 14:39 |
| schestowitz | The guy is an idiot | Jul 06 15:12 |
| schestowitz | He's an underqualified apple rep who trolls projects and gave nothing to FOSS | Jul 06 15:12 |
| schestowitz | His highest credential is a college degree in theatre from a no-name college | Jul 06 15:13 |
| schestowitz | He only knows how to bully and aggravate | Jul 06 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, GNOME drove him off | Jul 06 15:13 |
| schestowitz | He's shunned by many | Jul 06 15:13 |
| schestowitz | ACCESS it out | Jul 06 15:13 |
| schestowitz | They knew he wounded GNOME | Jul 06 15:14 |
| MinceR | do we need to syndicate muslim propaganda? | Jul 06 15:35 |
| MinceR | (from someone who apparently still believes that we're in a race to multiply despite the planet being massively overpopulated and overtaxed by human presence) | Jul 06 15:36 |
| schestowitz | We need more birth for more indoctrinated children :-) | Jul 06 15:38 |
| schestowitz | It's the only way for Islam to spread. Apostasy | Jul 06 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Not enough people actually converting _to_ it, so you spawn them | Jul 06 15:39 |
| MinceR | then they need some birth control forced on them before they suffocate the planet in their filthy spawn. | Jul 06 15:40 |
| MinceR | retroactive birth control works too. | Jul 06 15:40 |
| MinceR | (of course it helped if we didn't pay people to make babies) | Jul 06 15:40 |
| schestowitz | Religions that reproduce thrive | Jul 06 15:41 |
| schestowitz | Conservatives die out | Jul 06 15:41 |
| schestowitz | Power to the UTERUS! :-) | Jul 06 15:41 |
| MinceR | and so do rare plants and animals. | Jul 06 15:42 |
| MinceR | (and reason) | Jul 06 15:42 |
| MinceR | and so the clueless muslim provides support for my argument. :> | Jul 06 15:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://tinyogg.com/watch/J9ieO/ | Jul 06 17:13 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: TinyOgg - Watch: Katie Melua - Shy Boy (live AVO Session) .::. Size~: 5.05 KB | Jul 06 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Spreading democracy: http://tinyogg.com/watch/0wBjb/ | Jul 06 17:25 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: TinyOgg - Watch: Apocalypse Now..Ride Of The Valkyries .::. Size~: 5.04 KB | Jul 06 17:25 |
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| MinceR | reddit seems to be blocking my posts | Jul 06 18:29 |
| MinceR | now it magically appeared | Jul 06 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Maybe cache | Jul 06 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Hmmm... some company that's secretive wants to interview me in London | Jul 06 18:39 |
| schestowitz | I don't know about it | Jul 06 18:39 |
| schestowitz | I haven't programmed in ages | Jul 06 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Have you? | Jul 06 18:39 |
| schestowitz | I don't know how long it may take to get back in the groove | Jul 06 18:39 |
| MinceR | all my jobs so far were mostly programming | Jul 06 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Even current? | Jul 06 19:11 |
| schestowitz | I forget syntax | Jul 06 19:11 |
| MinceR | yes | Jul 06 19:13 |
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| schestowitz | here comes the police: http://identi.ca/conversation/38900777#notice-39146700 | Jul 06 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | "Worse than what? If you find inaccuracies, please point them out. IIRC, @maco told me off for saying CORRECTLY that Dell changed page" | Jul 06 19:54 |
| schestowitz | I pointed out _BEFORE ANYONE ELSE_ that Dell had changed the page | Jul 06 19:54 |
| schestowitz | And got people claiming I was lying | Jul 06 19:54 |
| schestowitz | When it was them who lied | Jul 06 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Part of the smear campaigns against me... | Jul 06 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Effect of smears: http://identi.ca/conversation/38900777#notice-39148851 | Jul 06 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | Not specific details | Jul 06 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Just vague things because of the Novell lackeys and ACCESS types | Jul 06 20:12 |
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| MinceR | (flash) (video) (audio) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8 | Jul 06 21:22 |
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| schestowitz | I think someone may be DDOSing the site | Jul 06 21:36 |
| schestowitz | And it takes down apache | Jul 06 21:36 |
| schestowitz | the access troll started M.A.D. with ender | Jul 06 22:00 |
| schestowitz | I reckon the troll is already looking for another job, before ACCESS lays off | Jul 06 22:00 |
| schestowitz | It would be best if something like Apple absorbed it | Jul 06 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Take it away from FOSS world | Jul 06 22:00 |
| schestowitz | I reckon he harmed the FSF's budget | Jul 06 22:00 |
| schestowitz | He smeared them so much that people started to develop another perception | Jul 06 22:01 |
| schestowitz | And then they didn't donate as much (Richard told me) | Jul 06 22:01 |
| schestowitz | So the perp is a real PITA to freedom | Jul 06 22:01 |
| schestowitz | "many thanks to @schestowitz for this (2009) link about gnome http://lwn.net/Articles/366559/ and especially for pointing out the response from bruce perens, osi founder" | Jul 06 22:04 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jul 06 22:05 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: GNOME ponders its code of conduct [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 45.52 KB | Jul 06 22:05 |
| MinceR | Q: Where do you find a dog with no legs? | Jul 06 22:05 |
| MinceR | A: Right where you left him | Jul 06 22:05 |
| MinceR | Q: What do you call a man with no arms and no legs stuck to the wall? | Jul 06 22:08 |
| MinceR | A: Art. | Jul 06 22:08 |
| MinceR | if crApple got into the vehicle business, what would their product be? | Jul 06 22:11 |
| MinceR | iVan the Terrible. | Jul 06 22:11 |
| MinceR | http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/ckwh4/reddit_i_think_its_about_time_we_had_another/ | Jul 06 22:12 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Reddit, I think its about time we had another clean jokes marathon. Heres my favourite... : funny .::. Size~: 574.09 KB | Jul 06 22:12 |
| schestowitz | Hahaha | Jul 06 22:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reddit.com/user/IvanTheTolerable? | Jul 06 22:25 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: overview for IvanTheTolerable .::. Size~: 84.29 KB | Jul 06 22:25 |
| schestowitz | From the page above | Jul 06 22:25 |
| MinceR | :D | Jul 06 22:25 |
| MinceR | didn't notice that one | Jul 06 22:26 |
| schestowitz | It stoof out | Jul 06 22:26 |
| schestowitz | I did search page for 'ivan' | Jul 06 22:26 |
| schestowitz | *tood | Jul 06 22:26 |
| schestowitz | FF does it nicely | Jul 06 22:26 |
| schestowitz | search as you start typing | Jul 06 22:26 |
| schestowitz | accessibility feature | Jul 06 22:26 |
| MinceR | after '/'? | Jul 06 22:28 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz i'd love to know/understand how close esr and torvalds are, since they seem to be the dominant influence on "open source" (they were for me, when i was on that side of things) - open source without bruce perens is just totally shit" | Jul 06 22:28 |
| schestowitz | @openuniverse but now we have @webmink , who is excellent | Jul 06 22:28 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no | Jul 06 22:28 |
| schestowitz | There's an option in Firefox | Jul 06 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Since old versions | Jul 06 22:29 |
| schestowitz | I use ALT+TAB | Jul 06 22:29 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 06 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Then tap to highlight what I need | Jul 06 22:29 |
| schestowitz | ENTER | Jul 06 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Veyr fast | Jul 06 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Little mousing | Jul 06 22:29 |
| schestowitz | " Brandon got fired because of this story." -> one victim among many | Jul 07 00:58 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/38915912#notice-39181972 | Jul 07 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | WTH? http://tinyogg.com/watch/nqOu7/ | Jul 07 01:02 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/38928684#notice-39201977 "yeah, the webm thing was too weird- i still feel like i must have read that wrong" | Jul 07 07:44 |
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| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/197658 "but seriously, i seem to give up on people RIGHT BEFORE they start attacking you/your site for the most insignificant shit imaginable, it's weird" | Jul 07 07:44 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Friday, 02-Jul-10 02:57:59 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 7.81 KB | Jul 07 07:44 |
| schestowitz | Oh boy... | Jul 07 08:40 |
| schestowitz | Here goes the creationist again... | Jul 07 08:40 |
| schestowitz | [08:18] [Notice] -BNtwitter to #boycottnovell- [omar_s_hafez] "Evolution is a fairy tale for grown-ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless." ~Prof. Bounoure | Jul 07 08:40 |
| schestowitz | Turns out the heavy load was caused partly by being Slashdot 2 days ago (I didn't see it until this morning) | Jul 07 09:13 |
| MinceR | time to take the towelhead off the channel :> | Jul 07 09:54 |
| schestowitz | No, he doesn't mean to be malicious | Jul 07 10:03 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter | Jul 07 10:04 |
| MinceR | he spreads religious brainwashing | Jul 07 10:04 |
| schestowitz | "heh, new "ibad" stickers, haven't seen those yet" I hadn't even noticed those... http://identi.ca/conversation/38999748#notice-39246893 | Jul 07 10:04 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* | Jul 07 10:04 |
| schestowitz | FSF stickers... anti Vista, anti hypePad | Jul 07 10:04 |
| schestowitz | They should be careful not to be seen as too negative | Jul 07 10:05 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/attachment/20234205 | Jul 07 10:05 |
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| schestowitz | Cache issues.... http://identi.ca/conversation/39002142#notice-39250232 | Jul 07 10:09 |
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| schestowitz | Turns out that interview is for some Goldman Sachs boosters and they sent me a DOCX!!!!!!11 | Jul 07 10:49 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* I'll go there just for the free trip to London :-) | Jul 07 10:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1M2RJoHfj4 | Jul 02 12:38 |
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| schestowitz | I've reread the documents and am encouraged to find that they test for concepts/principles, not syntax. That'll make it easier for me. | Jul 02 13:55 |
| schestowitz | I can't believe I actually bother with this | Jul 02 13:55 |
| schestowitz | I'm gonna be in London for 5 days, so lots of spare time anyway | Jul 02 13:55 |
| schestowitz | Re: no high-definition video on a Mac ? | Jul 02 13:58 |
| schestowitz | > Shurly some mistake, what is the true state of hi-def on the Mac. | Jul 02 13:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 02 13:58 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/jul/01/apple-jobs-blu-ray-rejection | Jul 02 13:58 |
| schestowitz | Hi, | Jul 02 13:58 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Steve Jobs suggests Blu-ray isn't coming to Macs any time soon | Technology | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 165.44 KB | Jul 02 13:58 |
| schestowitz | I care not so much about Macs in general (Groklaw chooses to defend Apple for reasons I cannot understand). To me, choosing to defend Apple from Microsoft is like choosing to defend Stalin from Hitler [no intention to equate the severity in this analogy]. | Jul 02 13:58 |
| schestowitz | load average: 13.93, 9.29, 7.20 | Jul 02 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Dman | Jul 02 14:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_WALL_STREET?SITE=CAANG&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT | Jul 02 18:25 |
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| schestowitz | "Stocks fall as jobs report adds to economic fears " | Jul 02 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Damn. Not *that* Jobs | Jul 02 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | "Thanks, Tandy. I've updated the post. I wish you well in your future endeavours and I hope you understand my position wrt Microsoft (it's nothing personal)." | Jul 02 19:42 |
| schestowitz | This dude who corresponds with me is a friend of BillG | Jul 02 19:42 |
| schestowitz | One of the first employees of Microsoft... | Jul 02 19:42 |
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| schestowitz | Florian Mueller: | Jul 02 20:57 |
| schestowitz | > Hi Roy, | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > In connection with the envisioned legislative initiative for | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > interoperability, you can't blame me or anyone else for using | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > "interoperability" as a way of opposing the notion of "open standards." | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > Please take into account that the consortium which supported the | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > European Commission's proceedings against Microsoft is named European | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > Committee for Interoperable Systems (ECIS, www.ecis.eu). | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > Neelie Kroes's initiative couldn't be called an "open standards" | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > initiative based on how the term is defined by its advocates. It simply | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > wouldn't be factually correct for two reasons: One, it won't be an | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > initiative to provide royalty-free access because that wouldn't be | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > possible (neither under EU law nor under the national constitutions of | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > most if not all of the 27 EU Member States). I mentioned that on this | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > page: | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2010/07/interoperability-foss-related.html | Jul 02 20:58 |
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| schestowitz | > Two, many consider single-vendor standards not to be open, but what Mrs. | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > Kroes wants to do is require all significant market players to "license | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > interoperability information", as opposed to forcing them to adopt | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > multi-vendor standards. | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > I nevertheless believe that the initiative will be very helpful, | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > especially since all FOSS offerings (if they are truly FOSS) will | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > certainly meet whatever requirements the new law defines, and it will be | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > one law for all vendors, also including Microsoft. | Jul 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx_DnpufGjs | Jul 02 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | :-D | Jul 02 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Cute cat | Jul 02 21:48 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/Ryo/statuses/17567378141 "Good. At least some of the customers are not stupid iHype-Zombies and have a brain at last." | Jul 02 21:52 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Twitter / Ryo: @schestowitz Good. At leas ... .::. Size~: 11.15 KB | Jul 02 21:52 |
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| schestowitz | "Who organised the protest in your picture?" http://identi.ca/conversation/39105843#notice-39355453 | Jul 02 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | This is interesting: http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/07/02/0320235/In-UK-Computer-Science-Graduates-the-Least-Employable | Jul 03 07:06 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Slashdot Developers Story | In UK, Computer Science Graduates the Least Employable .::. Size~: 176.33 KB | Jul 03 07:06 |
| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/201582 ""one day you're using a distro you really like, and the next it's jumped on some bandwagon to nowhere- fully free distros are less susceptible to this, because they don't need (or have) the gimmicks people use to tempt you into using their non-free code"" | Jul 03 07:28 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Saturday, 03-Jul-10 06:16:41 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 8.14 KB | Jul 03 07:28 |
| schestowitz | "Is there any further news about the Novell's attempt to sell itself? Last news I saw was over a month ago. http://forums.opensuse.org/english/community/general-chit-chat/439075-novell-sale.html " http://280.status.net/notice/201589 | Jul 03 07:29 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Novell for Sale? .::. Size~: 65.65 KB | Jul 03 07:29 |
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| schestowitz | "I think many countries just use Free Software as a threat to make Microsoft give their stuff to them cheaper. Its sad." > that's not always the case, e.g. Kerala, Munich (Ballmer did try to bribe them out of it, reportedly) http://identi.ca/conversation/39105843#notice-39406903 | Jul 03 08:05 |
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| schestowitz | http://tinyogg.com/watch/6OwgF/ | Jul 03 08:53 |
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| schestowitz | Nice... http://tinyogg.com/watch/T6xGX/ | Jul 03 08:58 |
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| schestowitz | Upside down: http://tinyogg.com/watch/0FsAl/ | Jul 03 08:59 |
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| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Fri May 7 00:18:26 2010 | Jul 03 09:32 | |
| schestowitz | http://tinyogg.com/watch/xiY8P/ | Jul 03 09:55 |
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| schestowitz | http://tinyogg.com/watch/KIU6H/ | Jul 03 10:17 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/39195971#notice-39445497 "Call of Duty 4 could be ported to !Linux too…" | Jul 03 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | Military propaganda | Jul 03 18:58 |
| schestowitz | previous versions were available for it | Jul 03 18:59 |
| schestowitz | "i was wondering yesterday evening if anyone would be equating independence with free software- we should definitely reject the microsof-T-tax, and establish and uphold bill of user's rights! http://www.fsf.org/about/what-is-free-software" | Jul 03 19:00 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: What is free software and why is it so important for society? — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software .::. Size~: 30.86 KB | Jul 03 19:00 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/39484545 "cisco is retarded" | Jul 03 19:01 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Mag Neito (magneito)'s status on Saturday, 03-Jul-10 17:20:44 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.11 KB | Jul 03 19:01 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/ghabuntu/statuses/17634712883 ""The difference between MS and #Apple is, when MS screws up there is almost nobody who voluntarily defends it, just hired agents" Techrights" | Jul 03 19:02 |
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| schestowitz | "Mono Developer" v | Jul 03 19:06 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/magneito | Jul 03 19:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/38411608#notice-39485950 | Jul 03 19:06 |
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| schestowitz | Stup9id trolls | Jul 03 19:06 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, so maybe *THIS* is what messed up my feeds: http://www.pcworld.com/article/200220/google_revamps_news_page.html | Jul 04 11:25 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Google Revamps News Page - PCWorld .::. Size~: 63.23 KB | Jul 04 11:25 |
| schestowitz | I wasted hours on this | Jul 04 11:25 |
| schestowitz | My feeds are still a mess (Google News) | Jul 04 11:25 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/39345360#notice-39596795 "I thought some feeds were taking a long time but I haven't been desk bound much these last few days to notice why." | Jul 04 12:44 |
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| schestowitz | the thing is, redirects were broken | Jul 04 12:44 |
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| schestowitz | Nice. Red Hat people read us... http://identi.ca/conversation/39321952#notice-39637945 "interesting but the article erroneously calls TrueCrypt "open source"" @fontana yeah, see what your colleague wrote to them: http://www.happyassassin.net/2008/08/06/open-letter-to-the-developers-of-truecrypt/ | Jul 04 18:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/200172/amazons_site_experiences_lengthy_problems_on_tuesday.html?tk=rss_news | Jul 04 18:40 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/30/german_ringtone/ | Jul 04 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | Suppression of speech IMHO | Jul 04 18:58 |
| schestowitz | No matter how objectionable | Jul 04 18:59 |
| MinceR | 211311 < schestowitz> I reckon some pedophiles (and Michael Jackson) are just into children, regardless of sex | Jul 04 20:17 |
| MinceR | they all scream honestly. :> | Jul 04 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Heh | Jul 04 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Michael Jackson got a 'free ticket' | Jul 04 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Rich people get away with anything | Jul 04 20:18 |
| schestowitz | He bribed the family | Jul 04 20:19 |
| schestowitz | [20:40] <narendra> nsisodiya == narendra sisodiya == eduvid | Jul 04 20:41 |
| MinceR | they all scream honestly. :> | Jul 04 21:38 |
| MinceR | oops | Jul 04 21:38 |
| MinceR | wtf "eduvid"? | Jul 04 21:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSLkQnCurgs&feature=digest | Jul 04 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: he make edu videos about FOSS | Jul 04 22:27 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* great new video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pwwvBygoFA&feature=digest | Jul 04 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | Morgan Freeman does a good new series: | Jul 04 22:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs7Ss6hPFeI&feature=digest | Jul 04 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9mG13F-4Go&feature=digest | Jul 04 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | They explain it very clearly, like Cosmos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pLxs1PrYdM&feature=digest | Jul 04 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | My cousin keeps making some stupid videos... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdQL1Dc3XsI&feature=digest | Jul 04 23:22 |
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| MinceR | ic | Jul 04 23:29 |
| MinceR | (flash) (video) (audio) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PiZSFIVFiU&feature=related | Jul 05 00:17 |
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| schestowitz | ScienceChannel has good vids | Jul 05 00:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtKNH2Y2OJM | Jul 05 00:24 |
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| MinceR | (flash) (video) (audio) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWiBt-pqp0E&feature=related | Jul 05 00:25 |
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| schestowitz | Classic | Jul 05 00:33 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jul 05 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | QUOTE: | Jul 05 10:29 |
| schestowitz | 1) Florian Müller has thrown a slow pitch for you: | Jul 05 10:29 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft doesn’t have a hypocrisy problem and it | Jul 05 10:29 |
| schestowitz | doesn’t use patents to shut out competition (so far at least" | Jul 05 10:29 |
| schestowitz | That is one of M$ talking points. It is also quite wrong, but I do not have any links handy. There have been quite a few instances where M$ has used software patents to try to shut out competition. | Jul 05 10:29 |
| schestowitz | 2) That 'Oracle has a problem with Java' meme is questionable and may be the continuation of M$ anti-Java FUD from the 1990's. | Jul 05 10:29 |
| schestowitz | /UNQUOTE | Jul 05 10:29 |
| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/208641 "you should probably read this (even if the lack of background means you don't follow) and if you're not subscribed to @schestowitz, you're definitely missing out" :-) | Jul 05 11:35 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Monday, 05-Jul-10 10:06:51 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 7.97 KB | Jul 05 11:35 |
| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/208651 ""open source at microsoft?" gnome? but also this? who is jason melton? #fascinating" | Jul 05 11:36 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Monday, 05-Jul-10 10:13:58 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 7.85 KB | Jul 05 11:36 |
| schestowitz | he used to hand out in our channel | Jul 05 11:36 |
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| schestowitz | "The only high-profile international site using SIlverlight I know of is the Italian RAI TV... (sucks)" | Jul 05 15:06 |
| schestowitz | @fcassia yes, that's the only one I know of | Jul 05 15:06 |
| schestowitz | :=) | Jul 05 15:06 |
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| schestowitz | Damn. | Jul 05 18:58 |
| schestowitz | If the interview in London requires me writing in programs in Java and C++, that may be an issue. I've spent the past 7 years specialising and excelling at MATLAB (even being ranked first in the world for contributions in 2005). | Jul 05 18:58 |
| schestowitz | I'm bailing | Jul 05 18:58 |
| MinceR | isn't wolfram alpha a minion of m$ now? | Jul 05 20:29 |
| MinceR | iirc bing-o has it built in | Jul 05 20:30 |
| schestowitz | I thought so too, but a friend tells me to advocate them | Jul 05 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft just uses them | Jul 05 21:36 |
| schestowitz | They don't work /under/ Microsoft | Jul 05 21:36 |
| MinceR | i doubt that's even possible | Jul 05 21:37 |
| schestowitz | I know.... | Jul 05 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Nice concise video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMY_-xYmJvE | Jul 05 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | Crazy cult: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-atQrCzz6ro | Jul 05 22:00 |
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| schestowitz | [06:58] [Notice] -BNi to #boycottnovell- [satipera/@satipera] This is sort of nonsense we are up against. "Why Open Source Stalls Innovation and Patents Advance It" http://cli.gs/ynnen !fs !techrights | Jul 06 07:48 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Preview Page - http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2010/07/05/open-source-stalls-innovation/id=11506/ .::. Size~: 5.7 KB | Jul 06 07:48 |
| schestowitz | It's Patent WatchTroll, Gene Quinn. Same ol' same ol'. | Jul 06 07:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/39648758#notice-39904854 "It is amazing what people will pretend to believe if their incentive for doing so is big enough." | Jul 06 11:15 |
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| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/212804 "i know how you do that api-wise, but 'sgonna be a while before/if i implement that, y'know - way i see it, @schestowitz's client never posts w/ context and i'm not holding myself to a higher standard than him" | Jul 06 11:19 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Tuesday, 06-Jul-10 07:49:17 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 8.13 KB | Jul 06 11:19 |
| schestowitz | That firm I told you about 2 days ago I blew away.. | Jul 06 13:15 |
| schestowitz | They sent me a .docx | Jul 06 13:15 |
| schestowitz | First time ever | Jul 06 13:15 |
| schestowitz | So I canceled the interview | Jul 06 13:15 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 06 13:17 |
| schestowitz | It seems like a Microsoft shop | Jul 06 13:17 |
| schestowitz | http://asisaid.com/journal/article/1575.html | Jul 06 13:54 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: asisaid by Timothy R. Butler - Symbian OS and the Linux Desktop .::. Size~: 12.92 KB | Jul 06 13:54 |
| schestowitz | [Rant] | Jul 06 13:54 |
| MinceR | no conclusion | Jul 06 14:02 |
| oiaohm | Boy they don't get it. | Jul 06 14:22 |
| oiaohm | the OS of the cloud is linux. | Jul 06 14:22 |
| oiaohm | Just the question is what shape will it take. | Jul 06 14:23 |
| MinceR | it will be cloud-shaped. | Jul 06 14:27 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 06 14:27 |
| MinceR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cloud_Strife_art.jpg | Jul 06 14:30 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: like lamb... hmmm... /me hungry | Jul 06 16:05 |
| MinceR | lamb? | Jul 06 16:05 |
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| MinceR | can we kickban this troll already? | Jul 06 21:40 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: please kickban the trolls | Jul 06 21:45 |
| MinceR | also, that bot needs to be fixed or removed | Jul 06 21:45 |
| MinceR | the trolls keep using the exact same attack | Jul 06 21:45 |
| MinceR | we really should just kickban trolls as soon as they reveal themselves, it's getting old | Jul 06 21:46 |
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| MinceR | 223359 < Shadowww|RDP> hai guis, anyone willing to tell me what's wrong with Microsoft? | Jul 06 21:46 |
| MinceR | == troll | Jul 06 21:47 |
| MinceR | he only made it even more clear afterwards | Jul 06 21:47 |
| schestowitz | /etc/hosts.deny | Jul 06 21:50 |
| schestowitz | [21:46] <MinceR> we really should just kickban trolls as soon as they reveal themselves, it's getting old | Jul 06 21:51 |
| schestowitz | I was away at the time | Jul 06 21:51 |
| MinceR | we need more ops then | Jul 06 21:51 |
| MinceR | they can scare away new users by the time you get back | Jul 06 21:51 |
| schestowitz | I know, but when it's quiet for months it's safe to have none | Jul 06 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Do I just append the domain to /etc/hosts.deny? | Jul 06 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Is the syntax that raw? | Jul 06 21:52 |
| MinceR | are you trying to keep the bot from connecting to a host? hosts.deny is unlikely to do that | Jul 06 21:53 |
| schestowitz | http://haax.in/ | Jul 06 21:53 |
| schestowitz | test | Jul 06 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [root@boycottnovell ~]# wget http://haax.in/ | Jul 06 21:54 |
| MinceR | afaik hosts.deny is generally used for incoming connections and in this case the bot is initiating an outgoing connection to retrieve the title | Jul 06 21:54 |
| schestowitz | --2010-07-06 13:49:32-- http://haax.in/ | Jul 06 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Resolving haax.in... 94.23.34.7 | Jul 06 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Connecting to haax.in|94.23.34.7|:80... connected. | Jul 06 21:54 |
| schestowitz | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK | Jul 06 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Length: 0 [text/html] | Jul 06 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Saving to: `index.html' | Jul 06 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Well, I see...... | Jul 06 21:54 |
| MinceR | you could redirect haax.in to 127.0.0.1 in /etc/hosts if you were going for a really quick-and-dirty hack | Jul 06 21:54 |
| MinceR | but they can get around that by using the ip address or a different domain name | Jul 06 21:54 |
| schestowitz | They might not know | Jul 06 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, let's leave that for now.. | Jul 06 21:55 |
| MinceR | really, the best thing to do seems to be limiting the urls looked up per line (perhaps even to 1, though twitter would suffer from that somewhat) and adding flood protection (that is, a time-based limit on lookups) | Jul 06 21:56 |
| MinceR | the former should be simple to do | Jul 06 21:56 |
| schestowitz | I think those attacks are rare enough that we can leave it unless it happens again | Jul 06 21:57 |
| MinceR | they might be rare, but they're extremely annoying | Jul 06 21:59 |
| MinceR | especially now that they've realized they can also put nick into the title, highlighting everyone | Jul 06 21:59 |
| MinceR | s/ck/cks/ | Jul 06 22:00 |
| MinceR | another annoying factor is that it's our bot that's effectively flooding the channel | Jul 06 22:00 |
| MinceR | actually the time-based flood protection by itself would effectively limit the number of urls per line looked up | Jul 06 22:00 |
| schestowitz | trmanco knows the code | Jul 06 22:16 |
| schestowitz | I haven't hacked php in a long time | Jul 06 22:16 |
| schestowitz | 2004 | Jul 06 22:16 |
| schestowitz | > Hi, Roy, | Jul 06 22:16 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 06 22:16 |
| schestowitz | > 2004: | Jul 06 22:16 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 06 22:16 |
| schestowitz | > http://media.photobucket.com/image/friends-dont-let-friends-use-ie.jpg/theironchief/friends-dont-let-friends-use-ie.jpg | Jul 06 22:16 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 06 22:16 |
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| schestowitz | > (http://digg.com/tech_news/Friends_don_t_let_Friends_use_Internet_Explorer) | Jul 06 22:16 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 06 22:17 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jul 06 22:17 |
| schestowitz | > 2010: | Jul 06 22:17 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 06 22:17 |
| schestowitz | > http://dilbert.com/2010-07-06/ | Jul 06 22:17 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The official Dilbert website with Scott Adams' color comic strips, animation, mashups and more! .::. Size~: 20.87 KB | Jul 06 22:17 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 06 22:17 |
| schestowitz | > MSIE users can't get rid of MSIE without also getting rid of Windows. | Jul 06 22:17 |
| schestowitz | > MSIE is broken, it can't be fixed, it can't be removed. They can add | Jul 06 22:17 |
| schestowitz | > chrome, opera, or firefox to their system in addition to MSIE, but MSIE | Jul 06 22:17 |
| schestowitz | > is there and spread throughout the machine. To get rid of it, time to | Jul 06 22:17 |
| schestowitz | > upgrade to Fedora, Xubuntu, or HaikuOS. | Jul 06 22:17 |
| MinceR | i expect there's a loop that moves through all the URLs found in a message -- turning it into a non-loop would make it only look up 1 URL; adding a counter to ensure it only executes n times would make it only look up n URLs | Jul 06 22:18 |
| MinceR | the time-based flood protection would be trickier, as it involves timers | Jul 06 22:18 |
| schestowitz | All that coding for just the possibility of attack might not be worth it IMHO | Jul 06 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Next time though....... | Jul 06 22:25 |
| schestowitz | the software is only used in our channels. maybe trmanco will want to enhance it | Jul 06 22:26 |
| MinceR | it's just basic courtesy when writing a bot | Jul 06 22:26 |
| schestowitz | They could also adapt and make workarounds | Jul 06 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Like many nyms/URLs | Jul 06 22:26 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: :-) | Jul 06 22:26 |
| MinceR | writing a bot or script that answers to input from anyone on a channel without flood protection is really just asking for trouble | Jul 06 22:26 |
| schestowitz | This was a coding exercise | Jul 06 22:27 |
| schestowitz | He read a book in JSON | Jul 06 22:27 |
| MinceR | also, you can see that URL title resolver bots generally only respond to the first URL in any message | Jul 06 22:27 |
| MinceR | with good reason | Jul 06 22:27 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/39714415#notice-39971668 "@schestowitz Some errors have occurred moving from Twitter I was subscribed to openbytes (Goblin) I will try again, ty." | Jul 06 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | I hate those underscores | Jul 06 22:28 |
| MinceR | as for ops: the more regulars get to have an op the greater the chance that one of them will be around when trolls attack | Jul 06 22:36 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/39714415#notice-39972770 "_goblin does not appear to exist in search and the openbytes (Goblin) seems kosher, odd goings on with Fabs account too. Dunno" | Jul 06 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | Goblin is being weird | Jul 06 22:38 |
| schestowitz | After he fought with ender they don't want to see one another | Jul 06 22:39 |
| MinceR | who don't want to see another? | Jul 06 22:39 |
| MinceR | oh, never mind | Jul 06 22:39 |
| schestowitz | "Hi There Mr. Schestowitz. I am unable to use wikileaks. Is their server down ??? Can't connect to upload the documents." | Jul 06 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Wikileaks is broken | Jul 06 22:43 |
| schestowitz | They rarely accept material | Jul 06 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Maybe a manpower issue | Jul 06 22:43 |
| MinceR | maybe it's a Jesuslandian government attack issue | Jul 06 22:44 |
| MinceR | they've made it well known that they oppose freedom and transparency | Jul 06 22:44 |
| MinceR | and that they'll sic all sorts of special forces (funded by the money of the taxpayers they want to keep in the dark) on the leakers | Jul 06 22:45 |
| MinceR | i guess there goes Freedom of Speech in the USA | Jul 06 22:45 |
| schestowitz |  | Jul 06 22:47 |
| schestowitz | [22:44] <MinceR> maybe it's a Jesuslandian government attack issue | Jul 06 22:47 |
| schestowitz | I think they tried it before | Jul 06 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Some port blocking | Jul 06 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/40009105 "@jzb, wow, coming in attacking & haven't even written a "Party of Gnyes" essay yet. !fsf members give prefs for what they want, paper or no." | Jul 06 23:59 |
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| schestowitz | zonker.. | Jul 06 23:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/39777492#notice-40038842 "It is very apparent you know about which you speak, that makes you a floss leader. Think about that, it makes a big difference" | Jul 07 06:29 |
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| schestowitz | "Does "boycott novell" include OpenSuSE? Inquiring minds want to know." > no, not directly | Jul 07 08:17 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/jdeisenberg/status/17922101823 | Jul 07 08:17 |
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| MinceR | is opensuse not covered by the pact? | Jul 07 08:22 |
| schestowitz | Not in a fair way | Jul 07 08:23 |
| schestowitz | Just "hobbyists" can use that safely | Jul 07 08:23 |
| schestowitz | If a business deploys a lot of opensuse, it can be sued, says the deal | Jul 07 08:23 |
| schestowitz | the first Reddit comment is funny | Jul 07 08:23 |
| MinceR | ic | Jul 07 08:23 |
| schestowitz | They got a source that's not biased and not taken out of context much, either | Jul 07 08:23 |
| schestowitz | Israel has many problems | Jul 07 08:24 |
| schestowitz | Maybe there's room for activism there | Jul 07 08:24 |
| schestowitz | The thing is, it's also surrounded by many zealous nations (no excuse though) | Jul 07 08:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4580N7oULY | Jul 07 09:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tACNCcA0Jtc | Jul 07 09:43 |
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| ender2070 | http://www.pwnage.ca/images/access_talk.png | Jul 07 15:48 |
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| schestowitz | "Live inside the dirty home if you want to change dirty home. just a suggestion.." < http://twitter.com/nsisodiya/status/17953629325 > | Jul 07 16:08 |
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| schestowitz | ?? | Jul 07 16:08 |
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| ender2070 | ? | Jul 07 16:09 |
| schestowitz | I don't know what he meant | Jul 07 16:09 |
| ender2070 | oh | Jul 07 16:09 |
| schestowitz | I read it like they want me to go to Brazil/India to help against the invaders from the West | Jul 07 16:10 |
| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/218700 "This whole "Open Core" nonsense has just led me to unsubscribing from Google News on "open source" (after 5 years on it). #OSI has work 2 do (oh, they're going to be mean to you mr. s)" | Jul 07 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | I just don't know what open source is anymore | Jul 07 18:28 |
| schestowitz | Misused by everyone | Jul 07 18:28 |
| schestowitz | Apple is open source :-)D:-) | Jul 07 18:29 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jul 07 18:29 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/40168065 " Please, look in your inbox and tell me if you received my msg. Problems here." | Jul 07 18:30 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: agentsmith's status on Wednesday, 07-Jul-10 15:59:56 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.2 KB | Jul 07 18:30 |
| schestowitz | " GR8 Article, Mr. Schestowitz. Thanks for protecting my sources, the person could suffer retaliations in her work." | Jul 07 18:30 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/40165218 | Jul 07 18:30 |
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| schestowitz | heh. he forgot to tell me it's the classified part | Jul 07 18:31 |
| schestowitz | It's good we resolved this quickly enough | Jul 07 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Whistleblowing is tricky | Jul 07 18:32 |
| schestowitz | "Please, take the DOC out of the site. My source can be tracked and harmed. Thanks in advance." | Jul 07 18:32 |
| schestowitz | People who lose jobs to expose corruption save the world from a lot of trouble | Jul 07 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Manning, Elsberg.... | Jul 07 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Some people blew the whistle on Microsoft | Jul 07 18:32 |
| schestowitz | 2 whom I can think of got fired | Jul 07 18:33 |
| schestowitz | One sued and got $4 million | Jul 07 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Never heard about the one who exposed the xbox 360 fiasco from within | Jul 07 18:33 |
| schestowitz | There need to be law to protect people who expose corruption | Jul 07 18:33 |
| schestowitz | The "lose your job" trick is being used to silence people and keep evil people in power | Jul 07 18:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/calls-to-suicide-hot-lines-surge-as-stress-of-joblessness-increases/19543254 | Jul 07 18:37 |
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| schestowitz | It's a general problem | Jul 07 18:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/06/the-more-ceos-make-the-wo_n_636606.html | Jul 07 18:41 |
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| ender2070 | some countries have laws to protect whistleblowers | Jul 07 18:43 |
| ender2070 | canada has a few of them | Jul 07 18:43 |
| ender2070 | i could report a potential employer to several government agencies for breaking different areas of the law and im protected | Jul 07 18:44 |
| schestowitz | They have laws | Jul 07 18:44 |
| schestowitz | They don't apply them | Jul 07 18:44 |
| ender2070 | fire dept, ministry of labor, competition bureau | Jul 07 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Didn't work vs Microsoft | Jul 07 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Depends on severity | Jul 07 18:44 |
| ender2070 | i should report MS to the competition bureau | Jul 07 18:44 |
| schestowitz | If you expose crime | Jul 07 18:44 |
| ender2070 | i have insider info about their oem practices | Jul 07 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Or just ethical misconduct | Jul 07 18:44 |
| schestowitz | If you have time, you could sue them | Jul 07 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Quebec won | Jul 07 18:45 |
| ender2070 | microsoft staff literally told me and a few other people I know that we could sell oem vista with just a motherboard | Jul 07 18:45 |
| ender2070 | we were given permission to sell oem xp with cables | Jul 07 18:45 |
| schestowitz | http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/07/06/and-now-for-something-totally-different/ | Jul 07 18:45 |
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| ender2070 | ide cable, sata cable | Jul 07 18:46 |
| ender2070 | anything that goes inside the pc | Jul 07 18:46 |
| schestowitz | If you have spare time, go with it | Jul 07 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Fighting Microsoft is worthwhile | Jul 07 18:46 |
| schestowitz | PJ and I were gonna do it, had we have the free time | Jul 07 18:46 |
| schestowitz | We have evidence of smears/stalking | Jul 07 18:46 |
| ender2070 | I have time to fight microsoft | Jul 07 18:46 |
| ender2070 | I think their plan was to divert me with that troll | Jul 07 18:47 |
| ender2070 | im really smart and analytical and i was focusing on him too much | Jul 07 18:47 |
| ender2070 | but | Jul 07 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Don't aim at people | Jul 07 18:49 |
| ender2070 | trolling effects emotions | Jul 07 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Aim at the issue | Jul 07 18:49 |
| ender2070 | a lower part of the brain | Jul 07 18:49 |
| schestowitz | It's evocative | Jul 07 18:49 |
| ender2070 | it takes over | Jul 07 18:49 |
| schestowitz | To make you say nasty things | Jul 07 18:49 |
| schestowitz | And then use these | Jul 07 18:49 |
| ender2070 | yes | Jul 07 18:49 |
| ender2070 | he was baiting me | Jul 07 18:49 |
| schestowitz | I was baited before | Jul 07 18:49 |
| ender2070 | that college humor video explains it PERFECTLY | Jul 07 18:49 |
| schestowitz | And then quoted out of context with the reaction | Jul 07 18:49 |
| schestowitz | That was in 2006 | Jul 07 18:50 |
| schestowitz | I learned my lesson | Jul 07 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft uses this tactic against court judges | Jul 07 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Skeptics have formal name for this tactis | Jul 07 18:51 |
| schestowitz | And ideally it uses anonymous agent provocateur | Jul 07 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Acting as a proxy to the person attacking you | Jul 07 18:51 |
| ender2070 | rclayton | Jul 07 18:51 |
| ender2070 | deadsuperhero | Jul 07 18:51 |
| ender2070 | i should've listened but my ego took a hold of me | Jul 07 18:51 |
| ender2070 | anyways i've 1984ed his ass | Jul 07 18:52 |
| ender2070 | threw every reference to him down the memory hole | Jul 07 18:52 |
| ender2070 | where I couldn't, I redacted his name with NON-PERSON | Jul 07 18:52 |
| ender2070 | after today im pretending he doesnt exist | Jul 07 18:52 |
| schestowitz | v | Jul 07 18:53 |
| schestowitz | http://opensource.com/life/10/7/wow-there-went-your-anonymity | Jul 07 18:53 |
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| ender2070 | yeah thats pretty bad | Jul 07 18:53 |
| ender2070 | im glad I dont play world of warcraft anymore | Jul 07 18:53 |
| ender2070 | and before you ask why I did play it, i was addicted to it and I like video games | Jul 07 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/05/turkey-threatens-cut-ties-gaza | Jul 07 21:23 |
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| schestowitz | Only fair | Jul 07 21:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY1otQodPE4 | Jul 07 22:14 |
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| schestowitz | Wow. They force you to use the whole MS stack | Jul 08 00:07 |
| schestowitz | I've abstained it at work for like 10 years | Jul 08 00:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/39969495#notice-40231116 "@schestowitz you hit the nail once more ! #investigative #journalism is being replaced by #pressrelease" | Jul 08 01:41 |
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| schestowitz | We're actually quite rude about it | Jul 08 01:41 |
| schestowitz | I tell PR bunnies I'll shame them in public if they keep mailing me | Jul 08 01:41 |
| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/220608 "just so *i* know i'm not making it up: "She is also currently an on-air Contributor for CNN. She was formerly Washington Editor at Large for The Huffington Post and was the online newspaper's Political Director during the 2008 election." wp/wiki/Hillary_Rosen" | Jul 08 01:42 |
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| schestowitz | Arianna has a family political background as well | Jul 08 01:43 |
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| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/220644 "i'm leftist w/o question but the contempory left know sweet F-A about these issues of intellectual freedom, tbh. few exceptions- mike doyle is golen (congress, PA) and the so-called left is so corporate these days anyway, the people in office more than voters" | Jul 08 02:03 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Thursday, 08-Jul-10 00:46:25 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 7.94 KB | Jul 08 02:03 |
| schestowitz | Which party/ies is/are not objectionable? Here in the UK we have none that's large | Jul 08 02:03 |
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| schestowitz | :the only party i know that isn't utterly wrong about intellectual freedom is the pirate party- not where i was going with the comments though- i think it's strange the mainstream left is so clueless about the issue- can't stand biden obviously" http://280.status.net/notice/220730 | Jul 08 07:51 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Thursday, 08-Jul-10 01:33:04 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 7.92 KB | Jul 08 07:51 |
| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/221809 "(principles = strategy = religion!)" | Jul 08 10:13 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Thursday, 08-Jul-10 09:06:33 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 8.57 KB | Jul 08 10:13 |
| MinceR | 150211 < Aeolius> kibbitz. which brings us back to that quote someone posted in here, yesterday: "Hydrogen is a light, odorless gas, which, | Jul 08 14:07 |
| MinceR | given enough time, turns into people." | Jul 08 14:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/c_farrell/statuses/18025453146 "Looks like the comments on theregister.co.uk #opensuse 11.3 review are stupider and more full of invective spite than even techrights.org" | Jul 08 15:06 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: you don't like people, you self-hating human! :-) | Jul 08 15:07 |
| MinceR | i don't hate myself | Jul 08 15:08 |
| schestowitz | You're human | Jul 08 15:18 |
| MinceR | i hate humans in general | Jul 08 15:19 |
| MinceR | and i hate my species | Jul 08 15:19 |
| MinceR | but i don't hate myself as a person | Jul 08 15:19 |
| MinceR | (who knows, i might be the next step of evolution beyond human :> ) | Jul 08 15:20 |
| schestowitz | motivation to live...? | Jul 08 15:31 |
| schestowitz | You seem nihilist | Jul 08 15:31 |
| MinceR | i can find motivation | Jul 08 15:33 |
| MinceR | i'm not nihilist, i'm a misanthrope. get your terms right. ;) | Jul 08 15:33 |
| schestowitz | I need to look that up | Jul 08 15:39 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misanthrope | Jul 08 15:39 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Misanthropy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 38.55 KB | Jul 08 15:39 |
| schestowitz | "In early and pre-Islamic philosophy, certain thinkers such as Ibn al-Rawandi, a skeptic of Islam, and Muhammad ibn Zakariya ar-Razi often expressed misanthropic views.[6]" | Jul 08 15:40 |
| schestowitz | The atoms know as <what's your name.. I don't know> will one day come loose | Jul 08 15:40 |
| schestowitz | Then a less Misanthropic creature will take those atoms | Jul 08 15:41 |
| schestowitz | And make lots of babies | Jul 08 15:41 |
| MinceR | 400 babies! | Jul 08 15:43 |
| schestowitz | rabies? | Jul 08 15:44 |
| MinceR | nope | Jul 08 15:46 |
| schestowitz | rabid babies | Jul 08 15:47 |
| schestowitz | My sister just got a baby | Jul 08 15:48 |
| schestowitz | It's what it says in the Life Manual | Jul 08 15:48 |
| schestowitz | Now she needs to save up for school, college, etc. | Jul 08 15:48 |
| schestowitz | Joy! | Jul 08 15:48 |
| schestowitz | Writing proprietary code for GE all day | Jul 08 15:48 |
| schestowitz | Her husband -- for Intel | Jul 08 15:49 |
| *MinceR is writing proprietary code for GE | Jul 08 15:49 | |
| schestowitz | I sometimes think I'd rather do gardening than write code I have ZERO rights to | Jul 08 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Like RMS says, it only harms people | Jul 08 15:49 |
| MinceR | i won't want to keep it anyway | Jul 08 15:49 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: GE in .hu? | Jul 08 15:49 |
| MinceR | it talks to ClearQuest and ClearCase, both of which sucks shit | Jul 08 15:50 |
| MinceR | yes | Jul 08 15:50 |
| MinceR | s/cks/ck/ | Jul 08 15:50 |
| schestowitz | They use OpenSUSE in my sister's office | Jul 08 15:50 |
| schestowitz | Forced to | Jul 08 15:50 |
| MinceR | they use winblows xp here | Jul 08 15:50 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Jul 08 15:50 |
| schestowitz | Good luck with that | Jul 08 15:50 |
| MinceR | and i didn't remember it sucked this bad | Jul 08 15:50 |
| schestowitz | It's from 2001 | Jul 08 15:50 |
| schestowitz | Welcome back to KDE 2.x | Jul 08 15:50 |
| MinceR | i'm trying to get a gnu/linux vm running so at least i can get away from most of the retardedness | Jul 08 15:50 |
| MinceR | and still use the vpn and stuff | Jul 08 15:51 |
| schestowitz | And Firefox didn't even exist back then | Jul 08 15:51 |
| MinceR | (and safeboot) | Jul 08 15:51 |
| MinceR | well, GE has standardized on ie6 | Jul 08 15:51 |
| MinceR | it's retarded | Jul 08 15:51 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Jul 08 15:51 |
| MinceR | their internal webapps suck shit | Jul 08 15:51 |
| schestowitz | Eww... sounds like a sick blue film | Jul 08 15:52 |
| schestowitz | Stupid idiots write about swpats: http://thebrilliantstories.com/will-legal-software-mean-you-can-no-longer-get-anything-for-free/45628/ | Jul 08 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | They don't know anything about the subject | Jul 08 16:18 |
| schestowitz | "It will be not only interesting, but also important to see how it all unfolds." | Jul 08 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Probably some boor with a degree in English | Jul 08 16:19 |
| MinceR | sponsored by the Department of Redundancy Department | Jul 08 16:21 |
| schestowitz | How long do you plan to code for GE? | Jul 08 16:32 |
| schestowitz | I'm hoping to have another couple of years promoting FS | Jul 08 16:33 |
| MinceR | not sure | Jul 08 16:33 |
| schestowitz | GE is not all bad | Jul 08 16:33 |
| MinceR | i've got some stuff to do until autumn | Jul 08 16:33 |
| MinceR | how so? | Jul 08 16:33 |
| schestowitz | Ethically | Jul 08 16:33 |
| MinceR | (then there's another project coming up) | Jul 08 16:33 |
| schestowitz | I know their bad acts, but they are not too severe | Jul 08 16:33 |
| MinceR | i'm not so sure of that | Jul 08 16:33 |
| schestowitz | My sister is in GE healthcare | Jul 08 16:33 |
| MinceR | they own nbc, which you know | Jul 08 16:33 |
| schestowitz | So they also make medical equipment | Jul 08 16:33 |
| MinceR | my client is GEHC, too | Jul 08 16:34 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, MSNBC | Jul 08 16:34 |
| schestowitz | Not NBC | Jul 08 16:34 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK | Jul 08 16:34 |
| MinceR | they own nbc universal | Jul 08 16:34 |
| MinceR | m$nbc is a joint venture between that and m$, afaik | Jul 08 16:34 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jul 08 16:34 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know the whole of NBC was GE's | Jul 08 16:34 |
| MinceR | they like to cuddle up to m$ and keep bullshitting about how ethical they are | Jul 08 16:34 |
| schestowitz | Fully? | Jul 08 16:34 |
| MinceR | and how great their integrity is | Jul 08 16:34 |
| MinceR | not sure | Jul 08 16:34 |
| MinceR | i had that impression | Jul 08 16:34 |
| schestowitz | They do GE's energy propaganda | Jul 08 16:34 |
| schestowitz | Big money $$ | Jul 08 16:35 |
| schestowitz | NBC is the 'anti-Fox' | Jul 08 16:35 |
| schestowitz | Fighting junk with junk | Jul 08 16:35 |
| schestowitz | Someone needs to pay the bill | Jul 08 16:35 |
| schestowitz | Oil is big money | Jul 08 16:35 |
| MinceR | hm, NBC Universal is or is planned to be mostly owned by comcast, not GE | Jul 08 16:36 |
| MinceR | another bunch of assholes :) | Jul 08 16:36 |
| MinceR | WP says it's 80% GE and 20% Vivendi know | Jul 08 16:37 |
| MinceR | dunno what happened to the comcast deal | Jul 08 16:37 |
| MinceR | s/kno/no/ | Jul 08 16:37 |
| MinceR | well, at least the next project would be on gnu/linux, not winblows | Jul 08 16:37 |
| schestowitz |  | Jul 08 16:38 |
| schestowitz | [16:36] <MinceR> hm, NBC Universal is or is planned to be mostly owned by comcast, not GE | Jul 08 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I wrote about it a lot | Jul 08 16:38 |
| schestowitz | [16:37] <MinceR> dunno what happened to the comcast deal | Jul 08 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Got approves AFAIK | Jul 08 16:38 |
| MinceR | m$nbc.com and m$nbc are owned partly by nbc universal and partly by m$ | Jul 08 16:39 |
| schestowitz | Still some noise over it, maybe appeals for challenge | Jul 08 16:39 |
| schestowitz | "Universal" | Jul 08 16:39 |
| schestowitz | I like that | Jul 08 16:39 |
| schestowitz | Canonical Universal | Jul 08 16:39 |
| schestowitz | Techrights Universal | Jul 08 16:39 |
| MinceR | universal studios or something | Jul 08 16:39 |
| MinceR | probably a card-carrying mafiaa member | Jul 08 16:39 |
| schestowitz | He who dominates Earth dominates the universe | Jul 08 16:40 |
| schestowitz | Because anyway, everyone knows we're big and those stars in the sky appear so tiny | Jul 08 16:40 |
| MinceR | you know what they say | Jul 08 16:40 |
| MinceR | "the moon might be smaller than the earth, but it's certainly further away!" | Jul 08 16:40 |
| schestowitz | I've watched many videos about the moon recently | Jul 08 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Which reminds me | Jul 08 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Science Channel is filled with trash | Jul 08 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Like all US TV, it needs ratings | Jul 08 16:41 |
| schestowitz | So I found lots of pseudo-science there that made me angry | Jul 08 16:42 |
| schestowitz | They know it's bogus | Jul 08 16:42 |
| schestowitz | But they feed the superstuituion | Jul 08 16:42 |
| schestowitz | Posing it as open questions or something | Jul 08 16:42 |
| schestowitz | Witches bigfoot, etc. | Jul 08 16:42 |
| schestowitz | I bet these are the 'popular' videos. It's fun for people to believe sci-fi | Jul 08 16:42 |
| schestowitz | http://lists.fsf.org/archive/html/info-fsf/2010-06/msg00003.html ugly theme | Jul 08 17:00 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: [FSF] Free Software Supporter -- Issue 27, June 2010 .::. Size~: 20.48 KB | Jul 08 17:00 |
| MinceR | at least it's readable | Jul 08 17:01 |
| MinceR | and it isn't bloated | Jul 08 17:01 |
| MinceR | which is more than what can be said for most of the web | Jul 08 17:02 |
| schestowitz | People who design it think wrong | Jul 08 17:04 |
| schestowitz | Been there, done that | Jul 08 17:04 |
| schestowitz | They go like, "oh.... you're right... I forgot some phones access it too..." | Jul 08 17:04 |
| schestowitz | "What's wrong with Flash? It's kind of cool, with sounds and lovely music in the background that I like..." | Jul 08 17:05 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw is kind of kaput | Jul 08 17:06 |
| schestowitz | All news site have shelf life | Jul 08 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Mine has some gas left...... I would hate working for someone else | Jul 08 17:06 |
| schestowitz | == | Jul 08 17:23 |
| schestowitz | Been on the phone with brother | Jul 08 17:23 |
| schestowitz | Finished his CS degree... all 3 of us got one. He made an Android app for video conferencing | Jul 08 17:23 |
| schestowitz | His partner, who works for Microsoft, used him to do all the work | Jul 08 17:24 |
| schestowitz | So I told him to snitch on him and he finally did | Jul 08 17:24 |
| schestowitz | And I told the said $brother Microsoft is firing lackeys next week, so $brother was happy | Jul 08 17:24 |
| schestowitz | See my mint remark in main channel | Jul 08 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Don't use Ubuntu | Jul 08 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Focus your criticism at people and issues/companies rather than sweeping statements (like distro country of origin/ethnicity) and you'll see you don't want to make Ubuntu even stronger | Jul 08 18:40 |
| schestowitz | I'm still shy to say I use Kubuntu, only cause Ryan told me to install it last year and then I did the auto-update, which worked | Jul 08 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu is responsible for harming Mandriva | Jul 08 18:41 |
| schestowitz | My favourite distro | Jul 08 18:41 |
| schestowitz | I guess I won't be going to India :-) | Jul 08 19:22 |
| schestowitz | [18:56] <anon> I was saying a indian proverb that If you wanna clean a dirty house then you must inside... | Jul 08 19:22 |
| schestowitz | [18:57] <anon> you have unsurscribed from OSI... | Jul 08 19:22 |
| schestowitz | [18:57] <anon> I read something similar #opencore | Jul 08 19:22 |
| schestowitz | [18:57] <schestowitz> What does the proverb mean? | Jul 08 19:22 |
| schestowitz | [18:58] <schestowitz> I thought you meant I should go to Brazil/India to get rid of the 'invaders' -- which I had considered doing | Jul 08 19:22 |
| schestowitz | [18:58] <schestowitz> Does India need help from the West to do activism -- in the form of people who come over to organise? | Jul 08 19:22 |
| schestowitz | [18:58] <anon> it means,, if you wanna change any system the you need to be part of it... unsubscrisbing any mailing list is not a solution .. IMHO | Jul 08 19:22 |
| schestowitz | [18:59] <schestowitz> I see | Jul 08 19:22 |
| schestowitz | [18:59] <schestowitz> I might stay subscribed | Jul 08 19:22 |
| schestowitz | [19:00] <anon> Yes !! if outsider people come to india,,, ( indian people listen much,,,) | Jul 08 19:22 |
| schestowitz | [19:00] <schestowitz> http://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/view/10757/india-beats-netherlands-brazil-and-germany-in-security-world-cup/ | Jul 08 19:22 |
| schestowitz | [19:00] <schestowitz> where in India are you located? | Jul 08 19:22 |
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| schestowitz | [19:00] <anon> New Delhi | Jul 08 19:22 |
| schestowitz | [19:00] <anon> Capital | Jul 08 19:22 |
| schestowitz | [19:01] <schestowitz> I like Vandana Shiva | Jul 08 19:22 |
| schestowitz | [19:01] <schestowitz> She got her phd in Canada | Jul 08 19:22 |
| schestowitz | [19:01] <schestowitz> Now she fights Monsanto | Jul 08 19:22 |
| schestowitz | [19:01] <schestowitz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah-ZeN_ghro | Jul 08 19:22 |
| schestowitz | [19:01] <schestowitz> But she's Indian | Jul 08 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | [19:02] <anon> I do not know her.. But yes,,, Indian good minds do not shine much in india,, once they fly outside india,, their success rate increase at exponential manner | Jul 08 19:23 |
| schestowitz | [19:03] <schestowitz> ACTA is easier to explain to Indian citizens | Jul 08 19:23 |
| schestowitz | [19:04] <anon> That is truth.... India is a holy crap country,,, I still wonder how our ancestor won freedom in 1947.. If we become slave in current days (which we are actually) then nobody will fight.. | Jul 08 19:23 |
| schestowitz | [19:04] <anon> Yes,, I agree,, at ACTA point,,, | Jul 08 19:23 |
| schestowitz | [19:05] <schestowitz> How can a person like myself help in India against monopolies? | Jul 08 19:23 |
| schestowitz | [19:07] <anon> Basically,,, it need reforms from Indian soil but if outsider come from workshop and major event it will strength our voice,, | Jul 08 19:23 |
| schestowitz | [19:08] <schestowitz> So not permanent I suppose | Jul 08 19:23 |
| schestowitz | [19:08] <schestowitz> Just visitation | Jul 08 19:23 |
| schestowitz | [19:09] <anon> yup,, | Jul 08 19:23 |
| schestowitz | [19:09] <anon> next some more month i will be busy with schoolos and other stuff... I will jump and plan many things,, but it will take time.. | Jul 08 19:23 |
| schestowitz | [19:11] <schestowitz> OK | Jul 08 19:23 |
| schestowitz |  | Jul 08 19:23 |
| schestowitz | [19:14] <anon> ok ,, good night,, I will leave now.. | Jul 08 19:23 |
| schestowitz | > http://tobkes.othellomaster.com/archives/2010/07/09/balloon-show/ | Jul 08 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | > | Jul 08 20:53 |
| schestowitz | > I have gotten several requests from viewers asking me for the name of the | Jul 08 20:53 |
| schestowitz | > song in this Power Point Presentation. | Jul 08 20:54 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 08 20:54 |
| schestowitz | > I am not surprised at people asking because it is an absolutely beautiful | Jul 08 20:54 |
| schestowitz | > melody; it's very familiar, yet I cannot come up with the name. Somehow it | Jul 08 20:54 |
| schestowitz | > sounds a bit like a European waltz. | Jul 08 20:54 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 08 20:54 |
| schestowitz | > I am taking a shot in the dark and hoping you have the answer. | Jul 08 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmm... I can't open that page. Must be an error. | Jul 08 20:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-07-01/how-to-make-an-american-job-before-it-s-too-late-andy-grove.html | Jul 08 20:57 |
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| schestowitz | "Not this time. I left the restaurant unsettled. Something didn’t add up. Bay Area unemployment is even higher than the 9.7 percent national average. " | Jul 08 20:57 |
| schestowitz | http://tobkes.othellomaster.com/archives/2010/07/08/balloon-show/ | Jul 08 21:19 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Harvey Tobkes » Blog Archive » HOT AIR BALLOON SHOW GERMANY .::. Size~: 22.7 KB | Jul 08 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Can you recognise the music? | Jul 08 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Wow. Vista is a mess: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7I_9JiMLbI | Jul 08 22:20 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- Java Tutorial Intro - Installing EasyEclipse .::. Size~: 87.33 KB | Jul 08 22:20 |
| schestowitz | UAC :-) | Jul 08 22:20 |
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| schestowitz | wb, brandon | Jul 08 22:49 |
| schestowitz | How goes it? | Jul 08 22:49 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=xbdXXXYxTT0&feature=related | Jul 08 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | Now is your chance to become a hacker ;-) | Jul 08 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Career change | Jul 08 22:50 |
| ender2070 | :) | Jul 08 22:58 |
| ender2070 | i actually have a large book on java | Jul 08 22:58 |
| ender2070 | thenewboston.com | Jul 08 22:59 |
| ender2070 | http://www.thenewboston.com | Jul 08 22:59 |
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| ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/thenewboston | Jul 08 23:00 |
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| ender2070 | he has awesome tutorials | Jul 08 23:00 |
| ender2070 | trolls are still trying to bait me | Jul 08 23:42 |
| ender2070 | they are getting persistent and needy | Jul 08 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Trolls got hungry | Jul 09 00:29 |
| ender2070 | rclayton seems to have signed up simply to troll me | Jul 09 04:26 |
| schestowitz | They have those. | Jul 09 08:55 |
| schestowitz | Maybe a sockpuppet | Jul 09 08:55 |
| schestowitz | Or "yes man" | Jul 09 08:55 |
| schestowitz | To give the illusion that the gangster has some following | Jul 09 08:55 |
| ender2070 | good point | Jul 09 08:58 |
| ender2070 | a 'free software' advocate, so he seems to be on the other side of lefty | Jul 09 08:59 |
| ender2070 | anyways he can talk all he wants | Jul 09 08:59 |
| ender2070 | im not responding to him either | Jul 09 08:59 |
| ender2070 | the last thing I said to him was an apology, and hes like 'i wont accept that unless you apologize to redacted and stop trolling for a year' | Jul 09 09:00 |
| ender2070 | im just going to focus on programming | Jul 09 09:07 |
| ender2070 | C and Java | Jul 09 09:07 |
| ender2070 | I already own books | Jul 09 09:07 |
| ender2070 | now I have lots of free time | Jul 09 09:07 |
| schestowitz | good | Jul 09 09:36 |
| ender2070 | as for jobs i've had to resort to using my middle name instead of brandon | Jul 09 09:39 |
| ender2070 | :( | Jul 09 09:39 |
| ender2070 | googling brandon lozza takes you to freeishsoftware | Jul 09 09:40 |
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| schestowitz | I never visited that site | Jul 09 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | '“Adolf” Sarkozy has triumphed again. His Fascist French government has passed through an Internet Censorship bill that allows the government to set up Internet filters at various Internet websites.' http://politifi.com/news/Au-Revoir-Internet-Freedom-910873.html | Jul 09 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | A lot of people these days call "Nazi" anyone whom they dislike... more so than before AFAIK | Jul 09 18:26 |
| MinceR | it's fitting | Jul 09 18:27 |
| schestowitz | I hat Sarko | Jul 09 18:27 |
| schestowitz | *hate | Jul 09 18:28 |
| schestowitz | But let's see if he declares wars | Jul 09 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjYtSMgBc9w | Jul 09 18:36 |
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| schestowitz | "@schestowitz was never focused on code, but on applications of open source-ish principles to non-sw areas - most OSDC writers are not devs" http://identi.ca/conversation/40272502#notice-40545576 | Jul 09 19:13 |
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| MinceR | if my work laptop wasn't full to the brim with locked down crap like this, i could leave it somewhere and vnc into it | Jul 09 20:11 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz i need a netbook that doesn't suck and costs less than 00 (300-350 will do) and doesn't have windows or suse on it" http://identi.ca/notice/new?replyto=openuniverse&inreplyto=40566461 ideas? | Jul 09 22:14 |
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| MinceR | less than 00? i'd like that too | Jul 09 22:17 |
| schestowitz | I think Zareason do some and there's Dell's Mini | Jul 09 22:17 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: 400 | Jul 09 22:17 |
| schestowitz | "i'll look at zareason if they sell anything under 400 that isn't an intel crapmate. dell makes too many exploding things, hp is evil, asus sold out and leemote simply doesn't makes netbooks afaik" | Jul 09 22:57 |
| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/228528 | Jul 09 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | OK, I guess he can support Zareason in the US | Jul 09 22:58 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz i don't know why i'm asking you, as you're in the uk- but i tend to assume you know everything, that's the only thing." http://identi.ca/notice/40575140 :-) | Jul 09 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/40311592#notice-40576766 " | Jul 09 23:35 |
| schestowitz | speeddefrost | Jul 09 23:35 |
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| schestowitz | @schestowitz thanks for clarifying :) - now i see what's going on | Jul 09 23:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 09 23:35 |
| schestowitz | so-called mainstream news is bunk ........ http://twitter.com/Codepope/status/18145961706 yeah, I was surprised it said Waterloo; will add correction. | Jul 09 23:40 |
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| schestowitz | anks I'll keep it in mSutor's apple addiction: http://www.sutor.com/c/2010/07/revisiting-math-software-on-the-ipad/ | Jul 10 11:14 |
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| schestowitz | I'm coming back from London on Monday (19th). I've thrown some words to test and see if the format is OK: http://schestowitz.com/Speaking/2010/July/Threats/ ... | Jul 10 13:14 |
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| schestowitz | I hope this is generally an acceptable layout (can be save locally as HTML). | Jul 10 13:14 |
| schestowitz | > LOL. :) Sorry for being harsh so early on. I'll be harsh later! :) | Jul 10 13:49 |
| schestowitz | > I like the format. With javascript you get slides magic without | Jul 10 13:49 |
| schestowitz | > javascript you still get the content. Graceful degradation is what the | Jul 10 13:50 |
| schestowitz | > web is about! | Jul 10 13:50 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 10 13:50 |
| schestowitz | > Can you advertise the event as much as possible because our talks don't | Jul 10 13:50 |
| schestowitz | > currently have a massive audience but the few people there should be | Jul 10 13:50 |
| schestowitz | > committed to free software. | Jul 10 13:50 |
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| schestowitz | grrr... mono booster again. "Can you explain why Windows has the best anti-virus products? and Linux has ClamAV which doesn't compare in av-comparatives?" http://identi.ca/conversation/40432659#notice-40700853 | Jul 10 18:49 |
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| schestowitz | > Mueller has been attacking IBM and whitewashing M$. I don't have handy | Jul 10 22:59 |
| schestowitz | > examples, but there are many (monthly almost) examples of M$ using | Jul 10 22:59 |
| schestowitz | > patents to squash innovation and competition. | Jul 10 22:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 10 22:59 |
| schestowitz | > I wish we would get the old Florian Mueller back. The pod-person entity | Jul 10 22:59 |
| schestowitz | > is no fun and not useful. | Jul 10 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Well, I'm just generally pleased that the site is hardly ever attacked by trolls anymore. We get less comments, more signal, almost no abuse, and more traffic too. | Jul 10 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Mueller is /not/ our biggest problem. | Jul 10 23:03 |
| schestowitz | The Mono troll: http://twitter.com/directhex/statuses/18205000895 | Jul 10 23:09 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Twitter / Jo Shields: For those naysayers who sa ... .::. Size~: 11.39 KB | Jul 10 23:09 |
| MinceR | pft | Jul 10 23:41 |
| MinceR | mepis "provides" gpl source code via a set of dvds they sell | Jul 10 23:41 |
| MinceR | and their configuration utilities seem to be proprietary ("All rights reserved" in the About boxes) | Jul 10 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Jul 10 23:50 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/40514827#notice-40783021 'MSoft are the Borg and need to be stopped, and the breadth of how unsurprising this news is is the proof." | Jul 11 13:19 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.59 KB | Jul 11 13:19 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Jul 11 18:09 |
| schestowitz | The megatroll's attack sites against me get almost 0 visitors | Jul 11 18:09 |
| schestowitz | It's not even rankable by netcraft and alexa :-) | Jul 11 18:09 |
| schestowitz | He wasted his time | Jul 11 18:09 |
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| schestowitz | > for a little while, i'm going to try being less of a fighter and more of a promoter. it won't be the first time, but the fight instinct is much stronger than the promote instinct. this isn't about image or pretending to be something else. | Jul 11 21:38 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 11 21:38 |
| schestowitz | > it doesn't mean i'm not just as interested in fighters. i thought bn was important long before i joined identi.ca or knew who was responsible for it (i never paid much attention to who authored it, just the info itself) and that won't change. | Jul 11 21:38 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 11 21:38 |
| schestowitz | > but the biggest item on my tag cloud is "microsoft" because of all the links i repeat that you put #microsoft on. it's not like i don't choose to repeat them, and i can edit them, so i'm not blaming you. | Jul 11 21:38 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 11 21:38 |
| schestowitz | > and this might be temporary. i still want to repeat techrights links, even if it draws just 1 or 2 new users to your site, that's a good thing. the kind of links i'll be looking for are ones that promote free software. i'm certainly NOT suggesting you change anything you're doing, i love what you're doing- **BUT** if you're less active for a while, and you just want to throw in a few free software links while you're in | Jul 11 21:38 |
| schestowitz | quiet mode, please do. enjoy your vaca. cheers. | Jul 11 21:38 |
| MinceR | i think i'm going back to debian | Jul 11 21:47 |
| schestowitz | _back_? | Jul 11 22:00 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jul 11 22:02 |
| MinceR | the first OS i put on my ThinkPad W700 was debian | Jul 11 22:02 |
| MinceR | then i switched to kubuntu | Jul 11 22:02 |
| MinceR | i figured that i'll get automatically updated proprietary drivers, unbroken gnome-do packages and properly setup nautilus | Jul 11 22:03 |
| MinceR | i can deal with the first and the further ones won't make much of a difference anymore | Jul 11 22:03 |
| MinceR | and *ubuntu is going down | Jul 11 22:03 |
| MinceR | according to distrowatch, almost all debian-based and fedora-based distros omit important packages from their parent | Jul 11 22:04 |
| MinceR | like gnumeric, abiword and kdebase | Jul 11 22:04 |
| MinceR | oh, and k3b | Jul 11 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | > …His headquarters is in Plantation, Florida. The James Randi Educational | Jul 12 08:56 |
| schestowitz | > Foundation is 15 minutes from our house. | Jul 12 08:56 |
| schestowitz | Re: James Randi | Jul 12 08:56 |
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| schestowitz | heh. My Dutch friend moved to Mexico and he's still there. http://johnbokma.com/mexit/2010/06/07/ | Jul 12 12:14 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Picking up the keys .::. Size~: 9.43 KB | Jul 12 12:14 |
| schestowitz | Just been to his site for the first time in ages. Glad to see the family and all! | Jul 12 12:16 |
| schestowitz | http://johnbokma.com/ | Jul 12 12:16 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: John Bokma - Hacking and Hiking in Mexico .::. Size~: 4.57 KB | Jul 12 12:16 |
| schestowitz | http://techright.net/ | Jul 12 12:32 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: TECHRIGHT.NET .::. Size~: 5.16 KB | Jul 12 12:33 |
| schestowitz | techrights.net seems to have just been vacated | Jul 12 12:33 |
| schestowitz | If we wanted that on top of .com and .org (.net was taken some months ago) | Jul 12 12:33 |
| schestowitz | eff took eff.net and .com | Jul 12 12:34 |
| schestowitz | I am ditching godaddy at the moment, for good | Jul 12 12:42 |
| schestowitz | Should I get techrights.net, you think? | Jul 12 12:42 |
| schestowitz | [mail quote] | Jul 12 12:42 |
| schestowitz | I am an existing customer of yours. I would also like to transfer my domain boycottnovell.com from the old registrar so that I can consolidate all my domain names with you. | Jul 12 12:42 |
| schestowitz | I hope move boycottnovell.com from GoDaddy by August (all the domain does is perma-redirections) and it is crucially important that the nameservers after the move are: | Jul 12 12:42 |
| schestowitz | NS1.COPILOTCO.COM | Jul 12 12:42 |
| schestowitz | NS2.COPILOTCO.COM | Jul 12 12:43 |
| schestowitz | The regitration details are the same as in GoDaddy, namely: | Jul 12 12:43 |
| schestowitz | Roy Schestowitz | Jul 12 12:43 |
| schestowitz | F214 Sir Charles Groves | Jul 12 12:43 |
| schestowitz | 4 Booth Street West | Jul 12 12:43 |
| schestowitz | Manchester, Lancashire | Jul 12 12:43 |
| schestowitz | M156PX | Jul 12 12:43 |
| schestowitz | United Kingdom | Jul 12 12:43 |
| schestowitz | r@schestowitz.com | Jul 12 12:43 |
| schestowitz | Tel +44.8445442580 | Jul 12 12:43 |
| schestowitz | The important thing is that the nameservers are made NS1.COPILOTCO.COM NS2.COPILOTCO.COM so that requests are served correctly throughout the migration (in essence, NS1.COPILOTCO.COM NS2.COPILOTCO.COM will point at the right place). | Jul 12 12:43 |
| schestowitz | [/] | Jul 12 12:43 |
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| MinceR | oh, actually one of the reasons i switched from debian to kubuntu was that i wanted kde4 :) | Jul 12 14:08 |
| schestowitz | 4.4? | Jul 12 14:26 |
| schestowitz | 4.4.4? | Jul 12 14:26 |
| MinceR | 4.3 | Jul 12 14:26 |
| schestowitz | Oh, nm | Jul 12 14:26 |
| schestowitz | You means months ag | Jul 12 14:26 |
| schestowitz | *ago | Jul 12 14:27 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jul 12 14:27 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/40972354 "I found this http://ur1.ca/0nq3u and thought you might wanna share it with a larger audience. Don't know if you already seen it" | Jul 12 14:27 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Youknowwho (youknowwhoxzy)'s status on Monday, 12-Jul-10 09:52:20 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.95 KB | Jul 12 14:27 |
| schestowitz | RMS is repetitive | Jul 12 14:27 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- Richard Stallman On FOSS GNU And Freedom 1 of 14 .::. Size~: 88.14 KB | Jul 12 14:27 |
| schestowitz | He has 2-3 talks | Jul 12 14:27 |
| schestowitz | Copyrights, patents, and FS | Jul 12 14:28 |
| schestowitz | Oh gosh... my mom's coming over | Jul 12 15:10 |
| schestowitz | The whole week wasted. | Jul 12 15:11 |
| schestowitz | > *I am very happy that you are going to be able to spend some quality time | Jul 12 15:11 |
| schestowitz | > with your mom in your home away from home, Manchester. May I suggest you | Jul 12 15:11 |
| schestowitz | > plan some things you know she will like and make it a highly memorable | Jul 12 15:11 |
| schestowitz | > visit for her and yourself? I am sure you will!* | Jul 12 15:11 |
| schestowitz | > *My son Andrew also was away from home ever since age 18; that is a bit | Jul 12 15:11 |
| schestowitz | > early to leave the nest, but necessary when pursuing a career as a | Jul 12 15:11 |
| schestowitz | > medical doctor. * | Jul 12 15:11 |
| schestowitz | > *Do you think departing from one’s family at a relatively early age and | Jul 12 15:11 |
| schestowitz | > then forming your own family, diminishes your closeness and feeling for | Jul 12 15:11 |
| schestowitz | > your parents and siblings?* | Jul 12 15:11 |
| schestowitz | OK, I've moved my last domain to the same host | Jul 12 17:59 |
| schestowitz | 6th domain.. | Jul 12 17:59 |
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| schestowitz | "i would have never considered x86 a problem... never heard that one, but it's interesting. i suppose it's easier to port free software to 64bit and mips/loongson as it's designed to be ported, and a team can be assembled from nowhere?" | Jul 12 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Intel and AMD used to compete for Linux love, now they compete with ARM | Jul 12 21:00 |
| ender2070 | still still contributes more | Jul 12 21:16 |
| ender2070 | intel* still | Jul 12 21:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/241009 "but your statement seems to imply that arm is better, or that x86 is worse, and i don't know how arm is better for freedom than anything else- hence my confusion (the argument is totally new to me)" | Jul 13 01:20 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Monday, 12-Jul-10 21:51:22 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 7.87 KB | Jul 13 01:20 |
| MinceR | http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/specials/weirdflorida/blog/2010/07/flipflops_for_christians.html | Jul 13 06:57 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Flip-flops for Christians .::. Size~: 60 KB | Jul 13 06:57 |
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| schestowitz | > Hello Roy, | Jul 14 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 14 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > This is my new mail and I will send in future emails from this. | Jul 14 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 14 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > Can you give me some contact persons from Red Hat which I can contact | Jul 14 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > directly about closed source product lobby in Latvia?? | Jul 14 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 14 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > Some more interesting information, links: | Jul 14 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.valodukrasts.lv/ | Jul 14 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > You can translate it in google!!! | Jul 14 20:06 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Valodu krasts - Vai esi supertulks? .::. Size~: 14.58 KB | Jul 14 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > End picture if there is possible put in Techrights website let people see. | Jul 14 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > Please do not provide any information and my sentences in Techrights | Jul 14 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > website!!!!!! | Jul 14 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 14 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 14 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > Can you help to put these and recent written information and help to | Jul 14 20:07 |
| schestowitz | > inform about them Red Hat. There is need fast reaction because Microsoft | Jul 14 20:07 |
| schestowitz | > lobbying continues in Latvia. | Jul 14 20:07 |
| schestowitz | > There is need as soon as possible to say the truth to our President of | Jul 14 20:07 |
| schestowitz | > Latvia that closed source technologies are bad!!!! | Jul 14 20:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 14 20:07 |
| schestowitz | > Recently I asked that there is need some parts to remove from website. I | Jul 14 20:07 |
| schestowitz | > am sorry I only wonder that Microsoft will find me!!!! | Jul 14 20:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 14 20:07 |
| schestowitz | > That's all. | Jul 14 20:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 14 20:07 |
| schestowitz | > Please if you have free time help to put these questions to Red Hat or | Jul 14 20:07 |
| schestowitz | > other open technology organization which can help Latvia. | Jul 14 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Frantic. | Jul 14 20:07 |
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| MinceR | http://trabant.uid0.hu/fun/ptos.jpg | Jul 16 12:34 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jul 16 12:34 |
| MinceR | troll alert | Jul 16 14:50 |
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| **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 19 16:20:35 2010 | ||
| *Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | Jul 19 16:20 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell-social for http://TechRights.org | Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell | Jul 19 16:20 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Fri May 7 00:20:15 2010 | Jul 19 16:20 | |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/M4n1sh/statuses/18667829826 "@psankar People tone down as time passes. Remember Roy changed the name of boycottnovell.org to techrights.org ?" | Jul 19 16:50 |
| schestowitz | WTF? | Jul 19 16:50 |
| schestowitz | http://compgroups.net/comp.os.linux.advocacy/Roy-have-you-seen-this-LMFAO. | Jul 19 16:50 |
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| phIRCe-local | Hello World! I'm phIRCe-local running phIRCe v0.3 | Jul 19 16:55 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Main Page - Techrights .::. Size~: 36.23 KB | Jul 19 16:55 |
| schestowitz | Just got this: | Jul 19 17:02 |
| schestowitz | > Hello Roy, | Jul 19 17:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 17:02 |
| schestowitz | > Given your background against the beast I could learn a lot from you. | Jul 19 17:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 17:02 |
| schestowitz | > But as I have spent the last ten years of my life fighting | Jul 19 17:02 |
| schestowitz | > the same animal, I surely know a thing or two. | Jul 19 17:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 17:02 |
| schestowitz | > Here is my latest contribution: | Jul 19 17:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 17:02 |
| schestowitz | > To win market share, Linux MUST make the difference. | Jul 19 17:02 |
| schestowitz | > Boldly. | Jul 19 17:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 17:03 |
| schestowitz | > Look at http://gwan.ch/ | Jul 19 17:03 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: TrustLeap G-WAN Apache PHP IIS ASP.Net GlassFish Java Web server software Linux and Windows benchmarks .::. Size~: 12.47 KB | Jul 19 17:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 17:03 |
| schestowitz | > That's the best advertising for Linux I have ever seen in | Jul 19 17:03 |
| schestowitz | > my life. I am G-WAN's author. | Jul 19 17:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 17:03 |
| schestowitz | > G-WAN is free but not open-source: MSFT would copy | Jul 19 17:03 |
| schestowitz | > & paste it into the kernel (they copied other programs I | Jul 19 17:03 |
| schestowitz | > made) and the Justice Dept. (worldwide) are too corrupted | Jul 19 17:03 |
| schestowitz | > to do anything else than just ruine you if you sue the guilty | Jul 19 17:03 |
| schestowitz | > (been there, done that). | Jul 19 17:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 17:03 |
| schestowitz | > There's nothing as strong as self-interest of the masses. | Jul 19 17:03 |
| schestowitz | > Let's help the masses do themselves a favor. | Jul 19 17:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 17:03 |
| schestowitz | > I need other seasonned people's advices and assistance | Jul 19 17:03 |
| schestowitz | > to go even further. I'll do my share (more coding) but I | Jul 19 17:03 |
| schestowitz | > need exposure in the free world, blogs, wikipedia, etc. to | Jul 19 17:03 |
| schestowitz | > balance the black-out organized by the beast. | Jul 19 17:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 17:03 |
| schestowitz | > Your experience in invaluable. Combined with mine we | Jul 19 17:03 |
| schestowitz | > can really do marvels. | Jul 19 17:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 17:03 |
| schestowitz | > Let me know what you think, | Jul 19 17:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 17:03 |
| schestowitz | > Pierre. | Jul 19 17:03 |
| schestowitz | That's a nice site I never heard about before. I wonder, is there any site introducing people to it? | Jul 19 17:04 |
| schestowitz | Hmmm... that's new. identica abbreviates with links... "it would be nine to convince Chris, HPT and others to just get the daily news at Techrights and leave the rest. I can't self-promote" becomes shortenred and truncated | Jul 19 18:02 |
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| schestowitz | Jul 15 17:47:21 -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Q: Iraq, Vietnam other wars were started by craven, inaccurate media. So what is the avg kill count per journalist? | Jul 19 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Wow. Jono dumped his oggcast and also left FLOSS Weekly before that. Now he's just preaching to ~50 Ubuntu users in uStream. Maybe his album got in the way of things | Jul 19 20:24 |
| schestowitz | oh, I missed this: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/mandriva-press-release-raises-more-questions | Jul 19 20:28 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Mandriva Press Release Raises More Questions | Linux Journal .::. Size~: 44.27 KB | Jul 19 20:28 |
| ender2070 | I saw him on two weeks ago | Jul 19 20:32 |
| ender2070 | uStream though | Jul 19 20:32 |
| schestowitz | > I registered G-WAN on (many) downloads sites when no | Jul 19 20:57 |
| schestowitz | > mainstream media relayed my press releases. | Jul 19 20:57 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 20:57 |
| schestowitz | > They prefer not to eclipse the 10-20% of "green" savings | Jul 19 20:57 |
| schestowitz | > offered (at a premium price) by their sponsors. Media do | Jul 19 20:57 |
| schestowitz | > not live from just fesh air. | Jul 19 20:57 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 20:57 |
| schestowitz | > Geeks site like slashdot were only about bashing G-WAN | Jul 19 20:57 |
| schestowitz | > ("how did it make it to slashdot? another useless server"). | Jul 19 20:57 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > Developer sites like stackoverflow.com censor it to death | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > (that's advertising to discuss G-WAN but that's perfectly | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > fine to discuss the blattantly inefficient IIS + C#). | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > Wikipedia censored even free source code donated by me | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > (they just censored everything posted under my IP address | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > and everything containing the word 'TrustLeap', even when | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > posted by total strangers from foreign countries). | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > Remember Microsoft "Mind Control"? | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > "To control mental output, you have to control mental input. | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > Take control of the channels by which developers receive information. | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > Then they can only think about the things you tell them. | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > Thus, you control mindshare." | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > There's also the (old) Sillicon Valley "Mushroom's law": | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > "Keep them in the dark, | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > Cover them with shit, | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > Cut them at the knee when they are growing." | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > This was for my previous venture (TWD Industries) where | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > RA / DS have been eradicated by SYMANTEC and its gang | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > first (in 1999, RA was outdoing pcAnywhere and nobody | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > had anything like the DS with the firewall traversal feature) and then | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > by the MICROSOFT Virus Information Alliance (VIA) after I reffused to | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > sell to Summit Partners. | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > You see now what I mean. | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | > Pierre. | Jul 19 20:58 |
| schestowitz | I know what you mean. What I suggest is this: write up a guest post for techrights.org where you explain your project, how it shows the failure of IIS + C# and if you choose to, explain how publication was suppressed and by whom? Windows EULA forbids benchmarking. | Jul 19 20:58 |
| ender2070 | Have a 16 year old do the benchmarking | Jul 19 21:03 |
| ender2070 | in the states | Jul 19 21:03 |
| ender2070 | they can't legally accept a EULA | Jul 19 21:03 |
| schestowitz | I think Microsoft dropped these terms | Jul 19 21:06 |
| schestowitz | http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=2118 | Jul 19 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | At least someone talks about these issues... | Jul 19 21:12 |
| schestowitz | ESR | Jul 19 21:12 |
| schestowitz | > The only one I have been able to identify personally is... an "ex" U.S. | Jul 19 23:07 |
| schestowitz | > Army Intelligence Analyst. | Jul 19 23:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 23:07 |
| schestowitz | > Are you really willing to follow this path? | Jul 19 23:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 23:07 |
| schestowitz | > TWD's first keygenerators (before I used public | Jul 19 23:07 |
| schestowitz | > encryption for licenses) were found on... a couple | Jul 19 23:07 |
| schestowitz | > of FBI honeypots. | Jul 19 23:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 23:07 |
| schestowitz | > Uncle Sam makes his own luck when this is about | Jul 19 23:07 |
| schestowitz | > playing in the 'free and open markets'. | Jul 19 23:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 23:07 |
| schestowitz | >> Windows EULA forbids benchmarking. | Jul 19 23:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 23:07 |
| schestowitz | > Wow. I did not know. I'll have to check if that was | Jul 19 23:07 |
| schestowitz | > the case on *my* Windows boxes (which do not download updates). | Jul 19 23:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 23:07 |
| schestowitz | > Thanks for the tips. | Jul 19 23:07 |
| schestowitz | I'd publish benchmarks that extol the virtues of Free software over | Jul 19 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's marketing-ware. | Jul 19 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmm,... | Jul 19 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Google again......... | Jul 19 23:07 |
| schestowitz | They contact me for the third time trying to hire me | Jul 19 23:08 |
| schestowitz | > Hi Roy, | Jul 19 23:08 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 23:08 |
| schestowitz | > I see you interviewed with us in 2006 and was wondering if you might be interested in exploring opportunities here once again. | Jul 19 23:08 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 23:08 |
| schestowitz | > If not, I'd like to hear how your career and interests have grown since receiving your PhD in Medical Biophysics. | Jul 19 23:08 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 23:08 |
| schestowitz | > Thank you in advance for your time and consideration. | Jul 19 23:08 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 19 23:08 |
| schestowitz | > Sincerely | Jul 19 23:08 |
| schestowitz | > Christian Bogeberg | bogeberg@google.com | Jul 19 23:08 |
| schestowitz | > Engineering Recruiter | Google Inc., CA | Jul 19 23:08 |
| schestowitz | > Voice:650.762.6645 | Fax:650.963.3269 | Jul 19 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Let's see what they say......... | Jul 19 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Nothing to lose here. | Jul 19 23:10 |
| schestowitz | I'd never want to program for them, just do some experiments/papers | Jul 19 23:13 |
| schestowitz | "Thank you for contacting me. Yes, Google tried to employ me twice while I was doing my Ph.D. (once in 2006 and again the following year when I asked them to contact me at a later date as I was not yet done with my research). Will Google be offering opportunities for researchers? My strength is in image analysis and registration, but I am a Web enthusiast too. " | Jul 19 23:13 |
| schestowitz | The words Google and Gulag are still similar | Jul 19 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Was it Sergey's idea? | Jul 19 23:17 |
| MinceR | :D | Jul 19 23:19 |
| MinceR | Googlag | Jul 19 23:19 |
| schestowitz | I'm afraid they'd Gulag me. So if companies like that employ me, an outsider can later show that even $company's own employee is telling off $company | Jul 19 23:21 |
| schestowitz | The only solution is not to blog | Jul 19 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Mac Asay made fun of Ubuntu in the past | Jul 19 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Maybe jono too | Jul 19 23:21 |
| MinceR | the only winning move is not to play? | Jul 19 23:21 |
| schestowitz | He must be like, "OMG, don't listen to old shows or read old posts" | Jul 19 23:21 |
| MinceR | yeah, asay went pretty abruptly from crApple Über Alles to Canonical Über Alles | Jul 19 23:22 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: me going to full-time job is me handing over techrights to others | Jul 19 23:22 |
| MinceR | not necessarily | Jul 19 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Über-hypocrite | Jul 19 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Like Dodge | Jul 19 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Don Dodge | Jul 19 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft pays him, he plays ball for them | Jul 19 23:22 |
| MinceR | you can tell them up front that if they tell you what to write on TR then they can shove it | Jul 19 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Then Google hires him and he mocks the VOle | Jul 19 23:23 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: that's what I intend | Jul 19 23:23 |
| schestowitz | But... | Jul 19 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Google is almost as smelly as FB | Jul 19 23:23 |
| schestowitz | It's a goulag | Jul 19 23:23 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jul 19 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Of data | Jul 19 23:23 |
| schestowitz | My mom uses FB | Jul 19 23:24 |
| MinceR | :/ | Jul 19 23:24 |
| schestowitz | And she's like using it here on KDE4 | Jul 19 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Reading my sisters' friends' messages to her | Jul 19 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Starting to keep track of her daughters communication | Jul 19 23:24 |
| schestowitz | I mean, WTH? | Jul 19 23:24 |
| schestowitz | And photos being viewed are tracked too | Jul 19 23:25 |
| schestowitz | So I keep off that trash site | Jul 19 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Dream job: anti-Microsoft chief at Google :-) :-) | Jul 19 23:25 |
| MinceR | dream job: leader of the revolution | Jul 19 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Which one? The televised | Jul 19 23:26 |
| MinceR | televised, blogged, etc. | Jul 19 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Socially bookmarked | Jul 19 23:27 |
| MinceR | ballmer and jobs against the wall, etc. | Jul 19 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Blech | Jul 19 23:27 |
| schestowitz | That's what a collague used to say | Jul 19 23:27 |
| schestowitz | When I worked for AOL | Jul 19 23:27 |
| MinceR | (but only figuratively) | Jul 19 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Ewww... | Jul 19 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Steve and Steve | Jul 19 23:27 |
| MinceR | (since a public execution is more viewable if the audience can surround the targets) | Jul 19 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Doing a Devon | Jul 19 23:27 |
| MinceR | so florian is bought and paid for now? | Jul 19 23:50 |
| MinceR | he was the anti-swpatent guy, wasn't he? | Jul 19 23:50 |
| ender2070 | yeah thats a show | Jul 19 23:51 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: he worked for Real Madrid | Jul 19 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Then ranted about how it was all corrupt | Jul 19 23:52 |
| ender2070 | he supported actions against IBM in favour of MS | Jul 19 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has a history of hiring its former critics | Jul 19 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Esp. lawyers | Jul 19 23:52 |
| schestowitz | It shuts them up and gives them credibility | Jul 19 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Ed Black at al | Jul 19 23:53 |
| MinceR | ic | Jul 19 23:53 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw knows many examples | Jul 19 23:53 |
| schestowitz | They "remove them from the gene pool" is how my friend put it to me | Jul 19 23:53 |
| schestowitz | They tried to hire ESR | Jul 19 23:53 |
| schestowitz | He wrote back | Jul 19 23:53 |
| schestowitz | In his blog | Jul 19 23:53 |
| MinceR | ESR has a backbone :> | Jul 19 23:53 |
| schestowitz | http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=208 | Jul 19 23:54 |
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| MinceR | (and an oversized ego) | Jul 19 23:54 |
| schestowitz | Undersized pecker | Jul 19 23:54 |
| schestowitz | And big gun (the real type, not the pecker) | Jul 19 23:54 |
| MinceR | :D | Jul 19 23:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&c2coff=1&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&tbs=isch:1&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&gs_rfai=&q=esr%20raymond | Jul 19 23:55 |
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| schestowitz | I can't find his pic with the ugly girl taking her bra off | Jul 19 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Goulag censored it | Jul 19 23:55 |
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| ender2070 | hey im being brainwashed | Jul 20 01:23 |
| ender2070 | btw | Jul 20 01:23 |
| ender2070 | Exam 70-620 | Jul 20 01:23 |
| ender2070 | and 70-622 | Jul 20 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Everything is brainwash | Jul 20 01:24 |
| ender2070 | microsoft certified it professional MCITP | Jul 20 01:24 |
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| schestowitz | I certify Microsoft "incompetent" | Jul 20 01:34 |
| schestowitz | [01:25] <TechrightsBot> Title: Microsoft: Windows 7 Is Superior to OS X, Linux, and to All Platforms - 9 out of 10 people choose Windows PCs - Softpedia .::. Size~: 51.35 KB | Jul 20 01:43 |
| schestowitz | Choose? Hahahahahah! | Jul 20 01:44 |
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| MinceR | lol | Jul 20 06:35 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeoXS2oeQtQ&feature=digest | Jul 20 09:09 |
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| schestowitz | Re: I don't use mass-mailers | Jul 20 18:05 |
| schestowitz | > I've never done any mailing to journalists with any kind of automation | Jul 20 18:06 |
| schestowitz | > built in. I may reuse content, which is normal, and I do it by opening | Jul 20 18:06 |
| schestowitz | > one email, editing it, then sending it to another person. But all of | Jul 20 18:06 |
| schestowitz | > that manually. This way I can add personal notes individually as I see fit. | Jul 20 18:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 20 18:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 20 18:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 20 18:06 |
| schestowitz | > Since I comment on different topics, I couldn't even use the same list | Jul 20 18:06 |
| schestowitz | > all the time. For an example, if I have Apple-related stuff (HTC lawsuit | Jul 20 18:06 |
| schestowitz | > or whatever), I have some Apple-focused journalists who wouldn't be | Jul 20 18:06 |
| schestowitz | > interested in IBM antitrust matters. | Jul 20 18:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 20 18:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 20 18:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 20 18:06 |
| schestowitz | > I really don't understand why you try so hard to identify reasons for | Jul 20 18:07 |
| schestowitz | > criticizing the way others operate. There's nothing dishonest about | Jul 20 18:07 |
| schestowitz | > sending notes to multiple people. If someone wants to ensure a comment | Jul 20 18:07 |
| schestowitz | > is exclusive, they'll call or ask me to call. That happens from time to | Jul 20 18:07 |
| schestowitz | > time. Or they ask their own questions and request an answer, which I | Jul 20 18:07 |
| schestowitz | > wouldn't send to anyone else obviously. If I send out things at my own | Jul 20 18:07 |
| schestowitz | > initiative, there's no exclusivity. | Jul 20 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Hi Florian, | Jul 20 18:07 |
| schestowitz | I think it would only be polite to put the message you have in one message with multiple recipients. People in IRC called what you do "spamming". | Jul 20 18:07 |
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| schestowitz | > Hi Roy, | Jul 20 18:31 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 20 18:31 |
| schestowitz | > You mean a multiple-recipient email with an undisclosed list of recipients? | Jul 20 18:32 |
| schestowitz | > Meaning everyone blind-copied or something like that? | Jul 20 18:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 20 18:32 |
| schestowitz | > I sometimes get emails, such as from Brussels conference organizers, that | Jul 20 18:32 |
| schestowitz | > include disclosed lists of recipients and I don't like that. | Jul 20 18:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 20 18:32 |
| schestowitz | > I'll think about doing it with a BCC'd list at least for the ones who get it | Jul 20 18:32 |
| schestowitz | > without any personal addition. If I decide to add a sentence or so that's | Jul 20 18:32 |
| schestowitz | > likely relevant to a particular recipient, then it will have to be an | Jul 20 18:32 |
| schestowitz | > individual email. | Jul 20 18:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 20 18:32 |
| schestowitz | > Best regards, | Jul 20 18:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 20 18:32 |
| schestowitz | > Florian | Jul 20 18:32 |
| ender2070 | brussels? | Jul 20 18:41 |
| ender2070 | EU dictatorship HQ | Jul 20 18:41 |
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| schestowitz | http://pookito.status.net/notice/62131 "well, that sucks, mainly after saying that !linux does violate Unix copyrights, then stop and do not lead to any further discussion." | Jul 20 23:52 |
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| schestowitz | "this is great stuff, people should do more slides like these- i've been wanting to teach python kind of like this http://schestowitz.com/Speaking/2010/July/Threats/ " http://280.status.net/notice/272507 | Jul 21 07:17 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Present and future threats to software freedom .::. Size~: 9.83 KB | Jul 21 07:17 |
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| schestowitz | "What I can't believe is workers could by MS Office at discount for home use. Now the workers needs to delete the copy from home. Can you believe that. I am wondering who the copy belongs to, the employees or the company? It seems that it belongs to MS." | Jul 21 07:18 |
| schestowitz | Exactly. And their data is now stuck with the vendor anyway. | Jul 21 07:18 |
| schestowitz | I wrote the slides in pure HTML/JS and I'm attaching it to this mail. | Jul 21 07:31 |
| schestowitz | Hmm... | Jul 21 07:31 |
| schestowitz | Ought to have made an ODP version too... | Jul 21 07:31 |
| schestowitz | > Dr. Roy, | Jul 21 07:31 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 21 07:31 |
| schestowitz | > I hope you enjoyed your break. I miss the site updates but finally | Jul 21 07:31 |
| schestowitz | > you're back. Please can you email me the | Jul 21 07:31 |
| schestowitz | Hmm... maybe we'll have translations to Spanich.. | Jul 21 07:32 |
| schestowitz | Glad my absence was noticed. :-) | Jul 21 07:32 |
| schestowitz | *Spanish | Jul 21 07:32 |
| schestowitz | The funny thing is, Novell was going to give a talk next month | Jul 21 07:39 |
| schestowitz | But then it saw my name among speakers at the event | Jul 21 07:39 |
| schestowitz | And it changed its mind :-) | Jul 21 07:39 |
| ender2070 | seriously? | Jul 21 07:40 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jul 21 07:40 |
| ender2070 | so much for non persons claims you dont go to events | Jul 21 07:40 |
| MinceR | nice | Jul 21 07:41 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: _Novell_ events | Jul 21 08:06 |
| schestowitz | Novell invited me to their event. Why would they do that? | Jul 21 08:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/07/18/How-to-run-an-App-store | Jul 21 08:08 |
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| schestowitz | Yuck. Android lockin | Jul 21 08:08 |
| schestowitz | "Apps" | Jul 21 08:08 |
| ender2070 | so they can kill you? | Jul 21 08:28 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Jul 21 08:28 |
| schestowitz | I said they'd be rude | Jul 21 09:06 |
| schestowitz | In some late night chat on IRC, which they love to cite | Jul 21 09:06 |
| schestowitz | They were gonna pay for my tickets and stay | Jul 21 09:06 |
| schestowitz | Trolls love to portray their targets as "insane", "paranoid", "conspiracy theorist", etc. | Jul 21 09:07 |
| schestowitz | PJ too had MOG do this to her by spying on her and coming to her house | Jul 21 09:07 |
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| schestowitz | "It may be a good idea to make a pdf with the slides and your notes" http://twitter.com/metacode/status/19026540260 | Jul 21 11:56 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/HendrikRietman/statuses/19067599838 "A certain "Dr." @Schestowitz demonises Prof. Jones and @GMWatch thinks that's great. I believe we shouldn't hit persons, but discuss topics." | Jul 21 13:48 |
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| schestowitz | But I wrote so much on the subject before. | Jul 21 13:48 |
| schestowitz | "Researcher interested in all aspects of agriculture and sustainability, and thus life." | Jul 21 13:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=schestowitz+monsanto&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Jul 21 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | http://industry.bnet.com/financial-services/10009153/one-word-explains-what-caused-the-financial-crisis/?tag=content;selector-perfector | Jul 21 14:37 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: One Word Explains What Caused the Financial Crisis: Fraud | BNET Financial Services Blog | BNET .::. Size~: 69.73 KB | Jul 21 14:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.oracle.com/us/technologies/open-source/index.htm | Jul 21 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | ooo listed | Jul 21 14:43 |
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| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Fri May 7 00:18:26 2010 | Jul 21 15:17 | |
| schestowitz | My cousin just sent me this: http://www.amazon.com/Voodoo-Histories-Conspiracy-Shaping-History/dp/B003A7U910/ref=tmm_aud_title_0 | Jul 21 15:34 |
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| phIRCe-local | Hello World! I'm phIRCe-local running phIRCe v0.3 | Jul 21 15:35 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Main Page - Techrights .::. Size~: 37.57 KB | Jul 21 15:35 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz Probably I tweeted much about Monsanto too http://is.gd/dAGYT Amazing how much these things get copied over the internet." http://twitter.com/HendrikRietman/status/19075739437 | Jul 21 15:42 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: rietman monsanto - Google Search .::. Size~: 37.24 KB | Jul 21 15:42 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Twitter / Hendrik Rietman: @schestowitz Probably I tw ... .::. Size~: 11.4 KB | Jul 21 15:42 |
| schestowitz | "That is an astonishing amount of hits. What is the key-hit? Probably I might slightly change my opinion after reading that..." http://twitter.com/HendrikRietman/status/19075265139 | Jul 21 15:43 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Twitter / Hendrik Rietman: @schestowitz That is an as ... .::. Size~: 11.32 KB | Jul 21 15:43 |
| schestowitz | "Worried about demonising? Check out how Prof Jones describes #GMO critics http://bit.ly/bSrHv8 @Schestowitz" http://twitter.com/GMWatch/status/19068282870 | Jul 21 15:44 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Jonathan Jones - Powerbase .::. Size~: 75.24 KB | Jul 21 15:44 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Twitter / GMWatch: @HendrikRietman Worried ab ... .::. Size~: 11.48 KB | Jul 21 15:44 |
| schestowitz | "@HendrikRietman As @GMWatch said, Jones is the one belittling sceptics" | Jul 21 15:47 |
| schestowitz | "@HendrikRietman You can find info at @GMWatch but papers I likeare http://www.ijsaf.org/archive/16/1/lotter1.pdf http://www.ijsaf.org/archive/16/1/lotter2.pdf http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leslie-hatfield/biotech-fail-bad-science_b_211601.html" | Jul 21 15:47 |
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| phIRCe-local | Title: Leslie Hatfield: Biotech FAIL: Bad Science, Worse Faith and Superweeds .::. Size~: 235.48 KB | Jul 21 15:47 |
| schestowitz | The GMO cartellers | Jul 21 15:50 |
| schestowitz | Interesting dude: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAemCwQ09Xo&feature=digest | Jul 21 16:48 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- Howard The Humongous - Episode 2 - The Usefulness Of Feeling Useless .::. Size~: 112.32 KB | Jul 21 16:48 |
| schestowitz | "Thanks, will have a look into the failure of science and the lack of its integrity. " http://twitter.com/HendrikRietman/statuses/19086960149 | Jul 21 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Huh? | Jul 21 17:52 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Twitter / Hendrik Rietman: @schestowitz Thanks, will ... .::. Size~: 11.24 KB | Jul 21 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Great new video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I7TKW_QQbA&feature=digest | Jul 21 18:21 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- Spank Your Monkey .::. Size~: 100.98 KB | Jul 21 18:21 |
| ender2070 | That site you link, powerbase, shows his communist connections | Jul 21 18:30 |
| schestowitz | powerbase is whose site? | Jul 21 18:32 |
| schestowitz | I can recall seeing powerbase today, can't recall where | Jul 21 18:32 |
| ender2070 | http://www.powerbase.info/index.php?title=Jonathan_Jones | Jul 21 18:33 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Jonathan Jones - Powerbase .::. Size~: 75.24 KB | Jul 21 18:33 |
| ender2070 | he's a member of the royal society | Jul 21 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Ah... | Jul 21 18:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.powerbase.info/index.php?title=Jonathan_Jones#Attacking_GM_critics | Jul 21 18:34 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Jonathan Jones - Powerbase .::. Size~: 75.24 KB | Jul 21 18:34 |
| ender2070 | they work with people from the marxism network | Jul 21 18:34 |
| schestowitz | let me update my post | Jul 21 18:34 |
| ender2070 | "The RCP has spawned a network, here called the LM network, of political extremists who eulogise technologies like genetic engineering and reproductive cloning and are extremely hostile to their critics, whom they brand as Nazis. What is particularly disturbing is that it is a network which engages in infiltration of media organisations and science-related lobby groups in order to promote its agenda as well as | Jul 21 18:36 |
| ender2070 | establishing a string of their own organisations." | Jul 21 18:36 |
| ender2070 | they have people in 'Sense about Science' | Jul 21 18:37 |
| schestowitz | This site is underrated | Jul 21 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Little traffic, good content (see front page | Jul 21 18:39 |
| ender2070 | yes very good content | Jul 21 18:45 |
| ender2070 | makes me look less insane when I talk about communists | Jul 21 18:45 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jul 21 18:45 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jul 21 18:46 |
| ender2070 | they explain the connections a lot better than i do | Jul 21 18:48 |
| schestowitz | The Microsoft booster (with a free laptop) calls GPL viral. http://www.itwriting.com/blog/2882-how-infectious-is-the-gpl-battle-of-words-between-wordpress-and-thesis.html | Jul 21 20:51 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: How infectious is the GPL? Battle of words between WordPress and Thesis « Tim Andersons ITWriting .::. Size~: 56.9 KB | Jul 21 20:51 |
| ender2070 | is it him? | Jul 21 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Yes. | Jul 21 20:52 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2008/11/09/bribe-for-vista-7-review/ | Jul 21 20:52 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Tim Anderson Received Bribe for Vista 7 Review | Techrights .::. Size~: 113.26 KB | Jul 21 20:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ghabuntu.com/2010/07/what-is-ubuntus-future-plan-if-desktop.html "The COO of Ubuntu's Canonical argues that the desktop OS is virtually dead, replaced by "a new breed of "desktop" platform." He contends that the big players that have our attention like Google and Facebook are increasingly OS agnostic, thus making the base OS more and more irrelevant." | Jul 21 20:53 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: What is Ubuntu's future plan if the desktop OS is dead? | GHABUNTU .::. Size~: 69.17 KB | Jul 21 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Mac Asay | Jul 21 20:53 |
| schestowitz | If the "Desktop is dead", then Ubuntu is dead | Jul 21 20:53 |
| MinceR | strange | Jul 21 20:54 |
| MinceR | asay goes back to boosting crApple? | Jul 21 20:54 |
| MinceR | bored of the COO position at canonical already? | Jul 21 20:54 |
| schestowitz | He uses "shock tactics" to attract an audience | Jul 21 20:54 |
| MinceR | lol, rPath | Jul 21 20:54 |
| schestowitz | "Future is cloud", "desktop is dead" yada yada | Jul 21 20:54 |
| MinceR | that's another extremely sucky distro | Jul 21 20:54 |
| MinceR | with the worst package manager i've ever used | Jul 21 20:54 |
| MinceR | conary | Jul 21 20:54 |
| schestowitz | He used to sing hypephone praises like that | Jul 21 20:55 |
| MinceR | incidentally the only package manager that destroyed itself in the first few commands | Jul 21 20:55 |
| schestowitz | hypephone will replace your wife's thingie | Jul 21 20:55 |
| MinceR | hm, maybe asay is aiming at google now? | Jul 21 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Don't know | Jul 21 20:55 |
| schestowitz | The work with them sometimes | Jul 21 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Let's not bother him too much | Jul 21 20:56 |
| schestowitz | It's not constructive | Jul 21 20:56 |
| schestowitz | That's why I put it in *-social | Jul 21 20:56 |
| schestowitz | The last time you cursed him he came to IRC | Jul 21 20:56 |
| ender2070 | ROFL | Jul 21 20:56 |
| MinceR | no, that was a long time ago | Jul 21 20:57 |
| ender2070 | did he? | Jul 21 20:57 |
| MinceR | i keep calling him out for his shit and he just ignores it now | Jul 21 20:57 |
| schestowitz | He was a Machead at the time | Jul 21 21:00 |
| schestowitz | I think you offended his Apple fetish | Jul 21 21:00 |
| schestowitz | He swtched sects | Jul 21 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Now, if he only left the Church of Mormon too........ | Jul 21 21:00 |
| ender2070 | But Joseph Smith talked to JESUS IN AMERICA!!!11! | Jul 21 21:01 |
| ender2070 | using rune stones! | Jul 21 21:01 |
| schestowitz | They have immature things going on | Jul 21 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Like special all-body underwear | Jul 21 21:02 |
| schestowitz | ritual garments | Jul 21 21:02 |
| MinceR | he can stick his crApple fetish where the sun doesn't shine | Jul 21 21:03 |
| MinceR | btw, he still has it | Jul 21 21:03 |
| MinceR | he went to the distro that copies macos most aggressively | Jul 21 21:03 |
| MinceR | after he was hired, window title bars were fucked up in the default theme | Jul 21 21:03 |
| MinceR | coincidence? :> | Jul 21 21:03 |
| schestowitz | I don't know GNOME | Jul 21 21:03 |
| schestowitz | KDE wasn't broken by default | Jul 21 21:03 |
| schestowitz | I last used GNOME quite a while back. It hardly changed (in vanilla form) | Jul 21 21:04 |
| ender2070 | yes it is | Jul 21 21:05 |
| ender2070 | because that change was already being decided on when shuttleworth left | Jul 21 21:05 |
| MinceR | gnome was good while it copied kde | Jul 21 21:05 |
| MinceR | then it switched to copying macos and went to shit | Jul 21 21:05 |
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| MinceR | ender2070: and what about the new, even more osx-like colors? | Jul 21 21:06 |
| ender2070 | still there | Jul 21 21:06 |
| ender2070 | he came in after that stuff | Jul 21 21:06 |
| schestowitz | It looks better now | Jul 21 21:06 |
| schestowitz | The GNOobs will need to get used to the button position | Jul 21 21:06 |
| schestowitz | As long as they don't switch distros | Jul 21 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Irrational placements like these can make a habitual lock-in | Jul 21 21:07 |
| MinceR | oh, now i remember | Jul 21 21:07 |
| MinceR | i've read asay praise crApple even after he was hired | Jul 21 21:07 |
| MinceR | relatively recently too | Jul 21 21:07 |
| MinceR | calling it "innovative" and such ludicrous bullshit | Jul 21 21:08 |
| schestowitz | He's an OS mormon | Jul 21 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Sutor too | Jul 21 21:08 |
| schestowitz | And IIRC Asay linked to Sutor when he said that | Jul 21 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Mark too | Jul 21 21:08 |
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| phIRCe-local | Hello World! I'm phIRCe-local running phIRCe v0.3 | Jul 21 21:08 |
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| MinceR | "OS mormon"? what's that? isn't there an extra 'm' in there? | Jul 21 21:09 |
| MinceR | yes, it seems more like asay's sucking up to google this time | Jul 21 21:22 |
| MinceR | maybe he wants a job there | Jul 21 21:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODQxOA | Jul 21 21:24 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: [Phoronix] Intel Can't Ship Their Own Driver With Their MeeGo OS .::. Size~: 19.58 KB | Jul 21 21:24 |
| ender2070 | old | Jul 21 21:24 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: polygamy I meant | Jul 21 21:24 |
| ender2070 | thats the rare driver i keep refering to about intel | Jul 21 21:25 |
| ender2070 | usually they have open docs and open source drivers | Jul 21 21:25 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: new to me in some way, just saw a reference in IRC logs | Jul 21 21:25 |
| ender2070 | ohhh | Jul 21 21:25 |
| ender2070 | i forgot you were gone | Jul 21 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Nokia should have stayed loyal to ARM | Jul 21 21:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/FreeType-2-4-now-free-from-patent-restrictions-1039730.html | Jul 21 21:27 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: FreeType 2.4 now free from patent restrictions - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 33.99 KB | Jul 21 21:27 |
| ender2070 | yup :D | Jul 21 21:27 |
| ender2070 | truetype is fine now | Jul 21 21:27 |
| MinceR | intel should have bought that noname company if they wanted to play hardball on driver licensing | Jul 21 21:27 |
| MinceR | and fired the executives responsible for it | Jul 21 21:27 |
| ender2070 | does this mean we can bundle Arial ? | Jul 21 21:27 |
| MinceR | it's probably small fry for intel | Jul 21 21:28 |
| ender2070 | and Times New Roman | Jul 21 21:28 |
| ender2070 | ? | Jul 21 21:28 |
| MinceR | ender2070: probably not about specific fonts, but rendering algorithms | Jul 21 21:28 |
| MinceR | besides, why would you want to bundle those two butt-ugly fonts? :> | Jul 21 21:28 |
| ender2070 | I thought those fonts were standards | Jul 21 21:28 |
| ender2070 | they are to publishers | Jul 21 21:28 |
| ender2070 | Times New Roman and Courier | Jul 21 21:28 |
| MinceR | well, a publisher that standardizes on those two deserves to pay license fees for them | Jul 21 21:29 |
| MinceR | or they could get a clue and use some variant of New Century Schoolbook/Computer Modern and Bitstream Vera Sans Mono or a derivative | Jul 21 21:30 |
| MinceR | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rWGOrerO0N8/S6jpqoY5uUI/AAAAAAAAACI/0dKBHgwGlfQ/s1600-h/occam_razor.jpg | Jul 21 21:30 |
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| ender2070 | are those clones of Times New Roman or Courier ? | Jul 21 21:30 |
| ender2070 | because if they arent ill piss off an editor | Jul 21 21:30 |
| MinceR | no, they're a serif and a monospace font, respectively | Jul 21 21:31 |
| ender2070 | their eyes are trained to read those fonts | Jul 21 21:31 |
| MinceR | they differ from the ones you mentioned in that they aren't ugly | Jul 21 21:31 |
| ender2070 | typewriter style spacing | Jul 21 21:31 |
| ender2070 | every letter takes up the same space | Jul 21 21:31 |
| MinceR | also, Vera Sans Mono is more readable than Courier | Jul 21 21:31 |
| MinceR | slab serifs are nice too but they're less formal than Times and New Century Schoolbook/Computer Modern :) | Jul 21 21:32 |
| MinceR | my favorite serif font is ZapfElliptical711 | Jul 21 21:32 |
| ender2070 | i gotta use those I mentioned or exact clones | Jul 21 21:32 |
| ender2070 | http://www.apexbookcompany.com/submissions/ | Jul 21 21:33 |
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| MinceR | then you'll be doomed to endure Times' ridiculously overemphasized serifs and line width variations forever :> | Jul 21 21:33 |
| ender2070 | they even set the font size | Jul 21 21:33 |
| ender2070 | this is proper manuscript format: http://www.shunn.net/format/story.html | Jul 21 21:33 |
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| MinceR | ew | Jul 21 21:34 |
| ender2070 | ahh monospaced | Jul 21 21:34 |
| MinceR | ugh-lee | Jul 21 21:34 |
| MinceR | also it's a blast from the past | Jul 21 21:34 |
| ender2070 | it might be ugly but it'll sell your book | Jul 21 21:34 |
| MinceR | do these people still use stone tablets and stone axes? | Jul 21 21:35 |
| ender2070 | vs pissing someone off who doesnt care about free donts | Jul 21 21:35 |
| ender2070 | fonts | Jul 21 21:35 |
| MinceR | it's not about free fonts | Jul 21 21:35 |
| MinceR | you can pay through the nose to Linotype for Melior if you want to :> | Jul 21 21:35 |
| MinceR | the "about 1800 words" part is funny too | Jul 21 21:37 |
| ender2070 | why | Jul 21 21:37 |
| MinceR | it's the third millennium | Jul 21 21:37 |
| MinceR | you could have a machine count the words exactly | Jul 21 21:38 |
| ender2070 | did you even read any of that? | Jul 21 21:38 |
| ender2070 | lol it explains why | Jul 21 21:38 |
| MinceR | i did | Jul 21 21:38 |
| ender2070 | they dont want the exact count, its for judging the size | Jul 21 21:38 |
| ender2070 | its rounded up | Jul 21 21:38 |
| MinceR | it reeks of being stuck in the past :> | Jul 21 21:38 |
| ender2070 | i could self publish and never get any money | Jul 21 21:38 |
| MinceR | i create software instead :> | Jul 21 21:39 |
| ender2070 | :P | Jul 21 21:39 |
| ender2070 | I like to write | Jul 21 21:39 |
| schestowitz | Copyrright is dying | Jul 21 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Find something else to offer | Jul 21 21:40 |
| schestowitz | I might start lecturing soon | Jul 21 21:40 |
| ender2070 | copyright isnt dying | Jul 21 21:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.digitalproductions.co.uk/index.php?id=250 | Jul 21 21:40 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Digital Productions: Prof. Bently et al Concluding the History of Copyright .::. Size~: 25.56 KB | Jul 21 21:40 |
| schestowitz | "Copyright is history. Lawyers can read it and weep." | Jul 21 21:41 |
| schestowitz | "It’s time someone noticed the nails keeping copyright upright upon its perch." | Jul 21 21:41 |
| MinceR | the people who are holding to copyrights, DRM, m$ and crApple get older every day | Jul 21 21:41 |
| MinceR | they'll inevitably die one day | Jul 21 21:41 |
| ender2070 | says Prof Bently | Jul 21 21:41 |
| MinceR | and with them, their bullshit ideas will also die :> | Jul 21 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Other do too | Jul 21 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Economics change with the Net | Jul 21 21:41 |
| schestowitz | 0-cost sharing | Jul 21 21:41 |
| ender2070 | well if copyright dies, microsoft can take every line of linux code and use it in windows, never tell anyone and make profit | Jul 21 21:42 |
| schestowitz | My uncle who used to run a photo shop had to make a career change | Jul 21 21:42 |
| schestowitz | At age ~55 | Jul 21 21:42 |
| ender2070 | open source would die | Jul 21 21:42 |
| ender2070 | so would free software | Jul 21 21:42 |
| schestowitz | They can change copyright | Jul 21 21:42 |
| MinceR | m$ will die before they can do that | Jul 21 21:42 |
| ender2070 | having no copyright is worse than the bsd license | Jul 21 21:42 |
| schestowitz | "Old-style copyright to die.." | Jul 21 21:42 |
| ender2070 | well im all for copyright reform | Jul 21 21:43 |
| MinceR | if we get our way, even copyleft will become obsolete eventually | Jul 21 21:43 |
| ender2070 | im not about to kill the only weapon protecting the GPL | Jul 21 21:43 |
| MinceR | if m$ loses its hold on installed base and market share, they won't be able to force their shit on anyone, regardless of how much free software they steal to hack it together | Jul 21 21:43 |
| MinceR | ender2070: there's no hurry | Jul 21 21:44 |
| ender2070 | killing copyright gives companies a legal right to take open source code and make it proprietary | Jul 21 21:44 |
| ender2070 | not just ms | Jul 21 21:44 |
| ender2070 | any company | Jul 21 21:44 |
| MinceR | once the practice in the industry is to make everything free, they'll be disincentivized to do that | Jul 21 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Ask an employee to leak the sources to you | Jul 21 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Then use them | Jul 21 21:45 |
| schestowitz | No violation | Jul 21 21:45 |
| MinceR | "you mean i can't fix your product if your company goes under? no thanks." | Jul 21 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Companies should sell services | Jul 21 21:46 |
| schestowitz | And customisations | Jul 21 21:46 |
| ender2070 | what about people creating art? | Jul 21 21:46 |
| ender2070 | they need to get new jobs now? | Jul 21 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Everythijg is copying | Jul 21 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Our brain just copies things, that's how it works | Jul 21 21:46 |
| MinceR | there already are working ways of people making art profiting without selling licenses | Jul 21 21:47 |
| ender2070 | as long as we're killing jobs, lets just make everything free | Jul 21 21:47 |
| MinceR | there was a presentation about the fashion industry, for example | Jul 21 21:47 |
| MinceR | they practically don't have copyright | Jul 21 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Even without (c) you need devs | Jul 21 21:48 |
| schestowitz | And people will pay for some | Jul 21 21:48 |
| ender2070 | what about books | Jul 21 21:48 |
| schestowitz | To fix/hack on code | Jul 21 21:48 |
| ender2070 | how do you support a book you give away for free | Jul 21 21:49 |
| ender2070 | its not hard to read | Jul 21 21:49 |
| schestowitz | People read books?!! | Jul 21 21:49 |
| ender2070 | yes | Jul 21 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Meh | Jul 21 21:49 |
| ender2070 | smart people do anyways | Jul 21 21:49 |
| schestowitz | In Korea, old people read books | Jul 21 21:49 |
| MinceR | +only | Jul 21 21:50 |
| ender2070 | i think you guys are nuts if you think a bunch of poor freeloaders are going to change copyright law when millions are being spent to buy politicians | Jul 21 21:50 |
| ender2070 | it should be shortened not eliminated | Jul 21 21:51 |
| ender2070 | even RMS would agree | Jul 21 21:51 |
| ender2070 | http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/pirate-party-and-free-software | Jul 21 21:52 |
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| ender2070 | "Because free software currently relies on copyleft to protect software freedom, while proprietary software has other means beyond copyright to keep users restricted (like patents and EULAs), eliminating copyright would protect proprietary software and hurt free software. Users would never get to have the source code of the proprietary software, while proprietary software companies would be able to openly pillage | Jul 21 21:52 |
| ender2070 | from the free world." | Jul 21 21:52 |
| ender2070 | -RMS | Jul 21 21:52 |
| MinceR | like i said, that also depends on industry practices | Jul 21 21:53 |
| MinceR | remember when unix was effectively free software even though no FS licenses existed? | Jul 21 21:53 |
| ender2070 | nope | Jul 21 21:53 |
| ender2070 | i dont remember that | Jul 21 21:53 |
| ender2070 | it never happened iirc | Jul 21 21:54 |
| MinceR | afaik it did | Jul 21 21:54 |
| ender2070 | AT&T vs BSD | Jul 21 21:54 |
| ender2070 | now mac asay is gonna show up | Jul 21 22:17 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 21 22:17 |
| MinceR | my thoughts exactly | Jul 21 22:17 |
| schestowitz | http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2010/Jul-17-1.html | Jul 21 22:20 |
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| MinceR | m$ retreating? | Jul 21 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Maybe embracing Apache | Jul 21 22:42 |
| schestowitz | 'embracing; | Jul 21 22:42 |
| MinceR | (flash) (game) http://www.redditmedia.com/ads/reddit-fun-2 | Jul 21 23:05 |
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| MinceR | could be | Jul 21 23:05 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2010/07/21/back-from-london/ | Jul 21 23:14 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vR97p95xpM&feature=digest | Jul 21 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | Shocking | Jul 21 23:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi9YQWsp2jc&feature=digest | Jul 22 00:13 |
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| ender2070 | pwnageos is building | Jul 22 00:17 |
| ender2070 | ill be back later | Jul 22 00:17 |
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| ender2070 | this might sound crazy cause you guys probably dont listen to conspiracy theories | Jul 22 05:24 |
| ender2070 | actually nvm, i dont want to mention him | Jul 22 05:25 |
| ender2070 | if he really is OTO though, it could have implications and connection to microsoft | Jul 22 05:26 |
| ender2070 | anyways, what do you guys think of aseigo using opensuse? | Jul 22 05:26 |
| ender2070 | :( | Jul 22 05:26 |
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| MinceR | i think it | Jul 22 06:48 |
| MinceR | i think it's sad | Jul 22 06:48 |
| ender2070 | ?? | Jul 22 06:49 |
| ender2070 | yeah opensuse is sad | Jul 22 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > Thanks I'll try to make it as ODP && send it back to you for review. | Jul 22 07:10 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.nerdlogger.com/2010/07/if-youre-queen-fan-watch-thisyoull-pee.html | Jul 22 08:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwiYjQyu0Tw&feature=channel | Jul 22 09:18 |
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| MinceR | troll alert :> | Jul 22 13:20 |
| MinceR | troll vs troll match just started :> | Jul 22 13:25 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: sure, he's ok for a m$ apologist | Jul 22 13:35 |
| oiaohm | He is a coder. | Jul 22 13:35 |
| MinceR | so? | Jul 22 13:36 |
| MinceR | m$ has lots of code monkeys | Jul 22 13:36 |
| MinceR | they hack up line noise without the first clue about what it does | Jul 22 13:36 |
| oiaohm | And also complain about MS complier faults. | Jul 22 13:36 |
| oiaohm | He is not 100 percent MS friendly. | Jul 22 13:36 |
| oiaohm | Just give him time. | Jul 22 13:37 |
| MinceR | oh wow | Jul 22 13:37 |
| MinceR | the old "i like linux BUT" routine works on you? | Jul 22 13:37 |
| MinceR | every time he defended those criminals because he works for them. | Jul 22 13:37 |
| oiaohm | Has done code on reactos. | Jul 22 13:37 |
| MinceR | oh wow | Jul 22 13:38 |
| oiaohm | So he does put it effort where he beliefs are. | Jul 22 13:38 |
| MinceR | that's really far from m$ | Jul 22 13:38 |
| oiaohm | Ie not a troll | Jul 22 13:38 |
| MinceR | riiiiight | Jul 22 13:38 |
| MinceR | lol, diablo flip-flops like a... flip-flop. | Jul 22 14:16 |
| schestowitz | http://youtu.be/hTUon6st8N0 | Jul 22 15:08 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- Feeding The Trolls 2 .::. Size~: 114.84 KB | Jul 22 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Joeh works for Microsoft | Jul 22 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Maybe sacked | Jul 22 15:26 |
| MinceR | he still has access to their network, though | Jul 22 15:27 |
| MinceR | he's from m$ NAT | Jul 22 15:27 |
| schestowitz | [13:38] <Joeh> You think stuff like BSD is too open? :p | Jul 22 15:29 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: and JustSuds? | Jul 22 15:30 |
| schestowitz | [13:39] * JustSuds hates java | Jul 22 15:30 |
| MinceR | a m$ apologist | Jul 22 15:34 |
| MinceR | not sure if just fanboy or slave | Jul 22 15:34 |
| schestowitz | One leads to the other | Jul 22 15:35 |
| MinceR | if m$ wants to employ them, that is | Jul 22 15:35 |
| schestowitz | [15:27] <MinceR> he's from m$ NAT | Jul 22 15:35 |
| MinceR | miguel had a hard time getting a job at m$ | Jul 22 15:36 |
| schestowitz | So he's misusing company resources? | Jul 22 15:36 |
| MinceR | not necessarily | Jul 22 15:36 |
| MinceR | he might be paid to astroturf | Jul 22 15:36 |
| MinceR | or encouraged to do so in work hours | Jul 22 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Should we do a post about it? | Jul 22 15:36 |
| MinceR | i doubt it's worth it | Jul 22 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Saying that <name> uses company computers to troll Linux IRC forums? | Jul 22 15:36 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 22 15:37 |
| schestowitz | Like Barkto | Jul 22 15:37 |
| MinceR | dunno | Jul 22 15:37 |
| schestowitz | 'Steve' | Jul 22 15:37 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I could phrase it nicely | Jul 22 15:37 |
| schestowitz | In a folksy way | Jul 22 15:37 |
| schestowitz | Like, Microsoft is so friendly... they even pay people a wage to hang out with Linux advocates | Jul 22 15:37 |
| MinceR | could be nice | Jul 22 15:37 |
| schestowitz | And diss Java | Jul 22 15:37 |
| schestowitz | and promote Mono and stuff :-) | Jul 22 15:38 |
| schestowitz | How can you tell it's MS NAT? | Jul 22 15:38 |
| MinceR | 142631 [freenode] -!- Joeh [~joehega@nat/microsoft/x-lvznnafzrgjjfbxv] | Jul 22 15:38 |
| MinceR | freenode knows | Jul 22 15:38 |
| schestowitz | He also uses different nyms | Jul 22 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I see... | Jul 22 15:39 |
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| *MinceR is tempted to go with that suggestion | Jul 22 16:37 | |
| MinceR | a nice ban on *!*@nat/microsoft/* | Jul 22 16:37 |
| schestowitz | No, no.. | Jul 22 16:38 |
| schestowitz | It'll be used against us | Jul 22 16:38 |
| schestowitz | To say we shut up opposition, not just trolls/abuse | Jul 22 16:38 |
| MinceR | not inviting opposition into our (somewhat private) discussions is none of their damn business | Jul 22 16:38 |
| MinceR | if i talk privately with a friend, do i have to let m$ apologists chime in? | Jul 22 16:39 |
| schestowitz | Wait though | Jul 22 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Let me do a post about it tomorrow | Jul 22 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Then see how he reacts | Jul 22 16:41 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 22 16:44 |
| ender2070 | he? | Jul 22 18:10 |
| ender2070 | oh ok | Jul 22 18:17 |
| ender2070 | i checked out the history | Jul 22 18:17 |
| MinceR | who manufactures macbooks? | Jul 22 18:32 |
| schestowitz | assembles? | Jul 22 18:34 |
| MinceR | dunno | Jul 22 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Only the BIOS is different/missing | Jul 22 18:34 |
| schestowitz | hypePhone4 costs like $200 to make | Jul 22 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Probably less if you leave out patents (artificial cost/tax) | Jul 22 18:35 |
| ender2070 | are you kidding | Jul 22 18:37 |
| ender2070 | its way cheaper than that | Jul 22 18:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pESOSI2hTA&feature=related | Jul 22 18:37 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- Know Your Meme: YouTube Troll Bait .::. Size~: 126.29 KB | Jul 22 18:37 |
| ender2070 | omg | Jul 22 18:43 |
| ender2070 | I know a Cannibal Troll! | Jul 22 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Hmm... good channel... subscribed now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVB0MBi_VkE&feature=channel | Jul 22 18:45 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- Know Your Meme: Downfall (The Hitler Meme) .::. Size~: 130.65 KB | Jul 22 18:45 |
| ender2070 | subscribed? | Jul 22 18:46 |
| ender2070 | you know now Google is watching what you like! | Jul 22 18:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSJw-mB44rc&feature=channel | Jul 22 18:52 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- Know Your Meme: Phonetic Translations .::. Size~: 125.72 KB | Jul 22 18:52 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: I know | Jul 22 18:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYsi7Ro9ljQ&feature=channel | Jul 22 18:56 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- Know Your Meme: Om Nom Nom .::. Size~: 120.43 KB | Jul 22 18:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8cirsLZy3g&feature=channel | Jul 22 18:58 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- Know Your Meme: Miss Teen South Carolina .::. Size~: 120.8 KB | Jul 22 18:58 |
| schestowitz | hehe. I love that old clip | Jul 22 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Hm... the Goulag [sic] wants me to write? Let's see what's there ... :-/ | Jul 22 19:30 |
| schestowitz | > Hi Roy, | Jul 22 19:30 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 22 19:30 |
| schestowitz | > We do hire researchers but I was reaching out regarding the same | Jul 22 19:30 |
| schestowitz | > position you interviewed for previously: | Jul 22 19:30 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 22 19:30 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.google.com/intl/en/jobs/uslocations/mountain-view/engops/sre/unix-system-applications-administrator-google-com-mountain-view/index.html | Jul 22 19:30 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Unix System/Applications Administrator, Google.com - Mountain View - US jobs - Google .::. Size~: 7.84 KB | Jul 22 19:30 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 22 19:30 |
| schestowitz | > Besides exploring research roles, do you remain interested in the SRE team? | Jul 22 19:30 |
| schestowitz | The SRE team was never a good fit for me due to my professional background and especially training. | Jul 22 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Jul 22 19:30 | |
| schestowitz | > I also see that you've done a fair amount of technical writing | Jul 22 19:30 |
| schestowitz | > <http://www.google.com/intl/en/jobs/search/index.html#q=writer>. We | Jul 22 19:30 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Search US openings - US jobs - Google .::. Size~: 4.34 KB | Jul 22 19:30 |
| schestowitz | > could explore that direction as well. | Jul 22 19:30 |
| schestowitz | That seems like the right direction to go in and I am willing to explore it. I've spent the past 4-5 years with writing activities (for news sites prior to my own sites growing in terms of impact). | Jul 22 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Jul 22 19:30 | |
| schestowitz | > Let me know what you think and if you'd like, we can speak on the phone | Jul 22 19:30 |
| schestowitz | > to discuss. | Jul 22 19:30 |
| schestowitz | My phone number is +44 844 544 2580. I think it would be helpful if we spoke. | Jul 22 19:30 |
| schestowitz | It's the third time they come to /me/. I never applied for any job at Google | Jul 22 19:31 |
| MinceR | google loves you | Jul 22 19:56 |
| MinceR | or wants to silence you with money :> | Jul 22 19:56 |
| schestowitz | I actually plan to just carry on Techrights. I'm not looking for jobs | Jul 22 20:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdMlA-EayF4&NR=1 | Jul 22 20:24 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- Know Your Meme: Numa Numa .::. Size~: 123.51 KB | Jul 22 20:24 |
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| schestowitz | The | Jul 23 07:33 |
| schestowitz | > It was great go through it! I've felt like I was there. It was awesome. | Jul 23 07:33 |
| schestowitz | > Please review it, and tell me if I have to fix anything before I | Jul 23 07:33 |
| schestowitz | > translate it to Spanish. | Jul 23 07:33 |
| schestowitz | Wow. That's just excellent. Mind if we upload both EN and SP version to the site? Other people did ask for a PDF of it too. | Jul 23 07:33 |
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| schestowitz | Nice....http://tinyogg.com/watch/9SXWS/ | Jul 23 11:05 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: TinyOgg - Watch: Wonderful Night - Fatboy Slim .::. Size~: 5.03 KB | Jul 23 11:05 |
| schestowitz | http://tinyogg.com/watch/slFRl/ Apple PR | Jul 23 11:23 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: TinyOgg - Watch: Apple - Antenna Design and Test Labs .::. Size~: 5.04 KB | Jul 23 11:23 |
| schestowitz | Od.......... | Jul 23 12:31 |
| schestowitz | Quote========= | Jul 23 12:31 |
| schestowitz | >> Virtual desktop unleashed | Jul 23 12:31 |
| schestowitz | >> >> Didn't these used to be known a thin clients ? | Jul 23 12:31 |
| schestowitz | >> >> <a href="http://whitepapers.theregister.co.uk/paper/watch/1611"> | Jul 23 12:31 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: 400 Bad Request .::. Size~: 0.33 KB | Jul 23 12:31 |
| schestowitz | > > "Gone | Jul 23 12:31 |
| schestowitz | Curious ... | Jul 23 12:31 |
| schestowitz | "virtual desktops", a PC with masses of RAM and no harddrive that | Jul 23 12:31 |
| schestowitz | downloads an OS image each time you boot and then gets flushed at | Jul 23 12:31 |
| schestowitz | shutdown. Updates are automatic and no malware etc. Reminds me of | Jul 23 12:31 |
| schestowitz | Novell Netware providing a Win3.1 image to the desktop and remotely | Jul 23 12:31 |
| schestowitz | mappable drives. | Jul 23 12:31 |
| schestowitz | As in you had Drives X, Y and Z providing DOS, Win3.1 and the Apps and | Jul 23 12:32 |
| schestowitz | a drive G: for home drive. Back to the future I guess. A good title | Jul 23 12:32 |
| schestowitz | for an article. | Jul 23 12:32 |
| schestowitz | virtual desktops - back to the future. | Jul 23 12:32 |
| schestowitz | ------- | Jul 23 12:32 |
| schestowitz | [Add your own comments to the above and post as your next article. | Jul 23 12:32 |
| schestowitz | Don't just cut-and-past. Or else we could engage in a back-and-forth | Jul 23 12:32 |
| schestowitz | question-and-answer session and the contents of which could lead to an | Jul 23 12:32 |
| schestowitz | article. Don't just cut-and-paste what I say in an email] | Jul 23 12:32 |
| schestowitz | Quote========= | Jul 23 12:32 |
| oiaohm | Those novell network win3.1 images were highly dependable things. | Jul 23 13:27 |
| oiaohm | I worked on networks with them. | Jul 23 13:27 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/42792818#notice-43199721 "Ok, but I'd rather work with Novell to put the name in hands of an openSUSE foundation or something, renaming sucks..." | Jul 23 14:08 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 14.02 KB | Jul 23 14:08 |
| schestowitz | "Besides, I'd also rather allow money making with openSUSE, not by devs themselves but by some companies in the ecosystem." | Jul 23 14:09 |
| schestowitz | He keeps messaging me about pardoning Novell | Jul 23 14:09 |
| schestowitz | This is hilarious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8eE6k5ktYo&feature=channel | Jul 23 14:11 |
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| schestowitz | > Don't quote me, write your own material and verify it ... Sell a bunch | Jul 23 15:51 |
| schestowitz | > of block-future-licenses to the OEMS, don't yet get the money and put | Jul 23 15:51 |
| schestowitz | > that on the plus side of the balance sheet. Remember Apple doesn't | Jul 23 15:51 |
| schestowitz | > have OEMs so don't get to play that particular shuffle. | Jul 23 15:51 |
| schestowitz | > --------- | Jul 23 15:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 23 15:51 |
| schestowitz | > "Microsoft posts record quarterly revenues of $16bn" | Jul 23 15:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 23 15:51 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jul/23/microsoft-posts-record-revenues | Jul 23 15:51 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft posts record quarterly revenues of $16bn | Business | The Guardian .::. Size~: 133.1 KB | Jul 23 15:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 23 15:51 |
| schestowitz | > "The company's $2.25 billion in short-term debt and $3.75 billion in | Jul 23 15:51 |
| schestowitz | > long-term debt, combined, is less than its $8 billion cash hoard" | Jul 23 15:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 23 15:51 |
| schestowitz | > That means revenue isn't really $16bn but $10bn and combined with fake | Jul 23 15:51 |
| schestowitz | > OEM-futures isn't an accurate picture. Don't just cut-and-paste my | Jul 23 15:51 |
| schestowitz | > words, do your own research and write your own material ... | Jul 23 15:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 23 15:51 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.financial-gauges.com/2010/05/msft-financial-gauge-analysis-for-march.html | Jul 23 15:51 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Gauging Corporate Financial Results: MSFT: Financial Gauge Analysis for the March 2010 Quarter .::. Size~: 144.6 KB | Jul 23 15:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 23 15:51 |
| schestowitz | > http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=msft | Jul 23 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | Re: Presentation Slides | Jul 23 16:22 |
| schestowitz | > That's what is for. I'm happy I put my grain of sand. I'll make them as | Jul 23 16:22 |
| schestowitz | > pdfs too. | Jul 23 16:22 |
| schestowitz | Thanks. I look forward to it! | Jul 23 16:22 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/42938722#notice-43236570 | Jul 23 17:32 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz Why introduce dirty tactics? Why can't they compete a good, proper, fair *cough* Sorry, this IS microsoft." | Jul 23 17:32 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.52 KB | Jul 23 17:32 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: did you see how the post scared Joe away? | Jul 23 19:53 |
| MinceR | i wasn't here | Jul 23 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://tinyogg.com/watch/GJbpC/ | Jul 24 07:51 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: TinyOgg - Watch: Kim Carnes - Bette Davis Eyes .::. Size~: 5.05 KB | Jul 24 07:51 |
| schestowitz | http://compgroups.net/comp.os.linux.advocacy/Anyone-Actually-Read-Schestowitz-s-Blog | Jul 24 08:15 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Anyone Actually Read Schestowitz's Blog? - comp.os.linux.advocacy | Computer Group .::. Size~: 32.85 KB | Jul 24 08:15 |
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| oiaohm | Hmm | Jul 24 09:29 |
| oiaohm | Now why do they keep on trying to play us as the devil. | Jul 24 09:29 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/43075521#notice-43373099 "love your bug photos (my macro bugs always have some bits out of focus or blurred)" | Jul 24 10:23 |
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| schestowitz | I get almost all my photos from http://www.sxc.hu/browse.phtml | Jul 24 10:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/43078713#notice-43376393 "aww... not creeping round the garden with the camera at the ready? When not using my own photos i use !cc licensed for reuse" | Jul 24 10:44 |
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| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/07/only-03-of-files-on-bit-torrent-confirmed-to-be-legal.ars | Jul 24 13:19 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Only 0.3% of files on BitTorrent confirmed to be legal .::. Size~: 28.86 KB | Jul 24 13:19 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.seattlepi.com/theethicist/bio.asp#bio160367 | Jul 24 15:37 |
| schestowitz | "I lived alone on the streets of Los Angeles at 16. I joined the US Navy at 19 and was part of a program to defeat the USSR." | Jul 24 15:37 |
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| schestowitz | Typical for the army to pick people from the streets | Jul 24 15:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/new?replyto=openuniverse&inreplyto=43528058 "people should dump hp" | Jul 25 06:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/288333 "worst case of that ever- besides asus- is that walmart (who i've been boycotting for 10 years) was selling really inexpensive desktops- 100 to 200 dollars maybe? (?) and they had gnu/linux on them. they put a stop to THAT quickly as possible #scum #antitrust #banmsft" | Jul 25 06:17 |
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| schestowitz | yes, we have the exhibits to prove it too http://techrights.org/2009/01/22/microsoft-taskforce-vs-walmart-linux/ http://techrights.org/2009/06/03/sub-notebooks-linux-taskforces/ | Jul 25 06:18 |
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| phIRCe-local | Title: What Microsofts Anti-Linux Taskforce in Wal-Mart Teaches Us About Sub-notebooks | Techrights .::. Size~: 122.88 KB | Jul 25 06:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/288433 "it's a good feature to ax- it could be done with a bot (i could write such a bot today) for those that really want the feature, but fewer people should use it rt @schestowitz What's with Identica's "Will follow back all those who follow me"? This is being abused by spammers in..." | Jul 25 08:16 |
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| MinceR | http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/07/22/super-heroes-vs-the-westboro-baptist-church/ | Jul 25 13:40 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Super Heroes vs. the Westboro Baptist Church - ComicsAlliance | Comics culture, news, humor, commentary, and reviews .::. Size~: 87.93 KB | Jul 25 13:40 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Jul 25 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Witty campaign | Jul 25 14:03 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/BlackOtaku | Jul 25 14:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 25 14:13 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Avichi Suite (BlackOtaku) on Twitter .::. Size~: 44.06 KB | Jul 25 14:13 |
| schestowitz | # Wanna be disturbed? Google 'Ballnux'. The ignorance displayed in those results are jarring. about 3 hours ago via identica | Jul 25 14:13 |
| schestowitz | # Oh not to mention The-Evil-Programming-Language-That-Is-Not-To-Be-Named, is well, evil. Yeah. Satan invented it. Right. #Mono #Linux #Ugh about 3 hours ago via Twitter for Android | Jul 25 14:13 |
| schestowitz | # Meanwhile, he calls the #Banshee music player evil and OpenSUSE 'OpenBallnux' on his blog. Wtf? #Linux about 3 hours ago via Twitter for Android | Jul 25 14:13 |
| schestowitz | # To articles not on his site most of the time; credible sources). about 3 hours ago via Twitter for Android | Jul 25 14:13 |
| schestowitz | # Honestly, every now and again Schestowitz informs me of something interesting that I didn't know (it's telling though, that they are links about 3 hours ago via Twitter for Android | Jul 25 14:13 |
| schestowitz | # Why in hell do I follow you? RT @schestowitz Hmmm... I've just googled "novell" & Techrights is result #5. Not so good for Novell, I think. | Jul 25 14:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 25 14:13 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.wwtdd.com/2010/07/katy-perry-is-in-a-bikini/katy_perry_bikini_bahamas_5/ | Jul 25 21:22 |
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| schestowitz | Mono boosters | Jul 26 06:37 |
| schestowitz | "@directhex yea, that's how #boycottboy got his. a lot of people are pretty desperate to be liked (or make believe they are liked)." http://twitter.com/jstedfast/statuses/19525953885 | Jul 26 06:37 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Twitter / Jeffrey Stedfast: @directhex yea, that's how ... .::. Size~: 8.54 KB | Jul 26 06:37 |
| schestowitz | Now sure how to use identica.... http://280.status.net/notice/291063 | Jul 26 06:44 |
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| schestowitz | http://tinyogg.com/watch/qu0MI/ | Jul 26 09:47 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: TinyOgg - Watch: Most important news propaganda fact .::. Size~: 5.04 KB | Jul 26 09:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/291958 "@schestowitz OMG too many! way too many for one post/page http://techrights.org/2010/07/26/july-foss-catchup/" | Jul 26 12:06 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Monday, 26-Jul-10 10:50:12 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 8.26 KB | Jul 26 12:06 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Links 26/7/2010: Last Catch-up With Free/Open Source Software News | Techrights .::. Size~: 110.45 KB | Jul 26 12:06 |
| schestowitz | I wonder how I should post them instead then | Jul 26 12:07 |
| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/292020 "not criticizing the method! that particular example just took it farther than the others by... that was freakin' enormous and goes against all conventions for page design. even if that was put under 2, 3 links on identi.ca instead of 1, much better" | Jul 26 12:23 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Monday, 26-Jul-10 11:12:02 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 8.27 KB | Jul 26 12:23 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmm... | Jul 26 12:23 |
| schestowitz | All right then, I guess I'll post links more often then and make this a lot shorter | Jul 26 12:27 |
| schestowitz | Mind control in the West: http://tinyogg.com/watch/HehCg/ | Jul 26 12:31 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: TinyOgg - Watch: Mira - Dame pa' Matala .::. Size~: 5.01 KB | Jul 26 12:31 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/43456115#notice-43757185 "sounds like typical MS programming ;-)" | Jul 26 12:44 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.2 KB | Jul 26 12:44 |
| oiaohm_ | Maybe we are to the point of wiki page for monthly catcups. schestowitz | Jul 26 13:19 |
| schestowitz | thttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb7lhUNqHsg | Jul 26 13:35 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- Islam - The Religion Of Peace? .::. Size~: 122.19 KB | Jul 26 13:35 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: what do you mean? | Jul 26 13:35 |
| oiaohm_ | I put it badly as normal. Most of the space is the quotes. Wiki page was the wrong way to put it. Html with folding sections. schestowitz | Jul 26 13:39 |
| oiaohm_ | Question can word press to folded stuff that appears as user clicks on. | Jul 26 13:44 |
| schestowitz | I suppose I could make use of some JavaScript | Jul 26 14:09 |
| schestowitz | Hover on or click on | Jul 26 14:09 |
| oiaohm_ | Not really ideal schestowitz | Jul 26 14:10 |
| oiaohm_ | I just suggest a bad idea of folding more I think more problems it will cause. schestowitz | Jul 26 14:11 |
| oiaohm_ | Have you checked the ip range of the attack. | Jul 26 14:22 |
| oiaohm_ | Is it a Microsoft IP range that could be just blocked out. | Jul 26 14:22 |
| schestowitz | I can't see the IP | Jul 26 14:30 |
| schestowitz | It comes via the proxy | Jul 26 14:30 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: I tried phoning tessier | Jul 26 16:18 |
| schestowitz | I think he's asleep | Jul 26 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Either way, some pages are still served sometimes | Jul 26 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Those bastards cost me hours so far today | Jul 26 16:18 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/43487332#notice-43789868 "It seems to be a lot easier to access the site now" | Jul 26 16:19 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.03 KB | Jul 26 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, because I constantly watch it and occasionally restart it, which costs me hours and leads to frustration | Jul 26 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Hmmm... I'll say this to him...... | Jul 26 16:20 |
| schestowitz | *sigh* | Jul 26 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Oh gosh, the zombies/bots are back... | Jul 26 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Grrrrrrrrrr..... | Jul 26 17:11 |
| ender2070 | I've been getting bots on my site too | Jul 26 18:24 |
| ender2070 | spam bots mostly | Jul 26 18:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/11/israel-academics-bds-boycott | Jul 26 19:12 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Israeli academics hit back over bid to pass law that would criminalise them | World news | The Observer .::. Size~: 73.3 KB | Jul 26 19:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jul/11/editorial-haiti-aid | Jul 26 19:13 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: We have abandoned the Haitians | editorial | Comment is free | The Observer .::. Size~: 158.99 KB | Jul 26 19:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jul/08/muir-russell-climategate-climate-science | Jul 26 19:19 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Climategate scientists cleared of manipulating data on global warming | Environment | The Guardian .::. Size~: 82.26 KB | Jul 26 19:19 |
| schestowitz | http://news.illinois.edu/news/10/0701happiness.html+ | Jul 26 19:22 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jul 26 19:22 |
| schestowitz | http://news.illinois.edu/news/10/0701happiness.html | Jul 26 19:22 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Can money buy happiness? Gallup poll asks, and the world answers | News Bureau | University of Illinois .::. Size~: 20.48 KB | Jul 26 19:22 |
| schestowitz | "Israeli hawks that urge to strike preventive blows on Iranian nuclear objects have found a radical ally in the Arab world." http://english.pravda.ru/world/asia/114175-arab_world_iran-0 | Jul 26 19:25 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Arab World Supports War Against Iran? - Pravda.Ru .::. Size~: 33.02 KB | Jul 26 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Still pushing for wars | Jul 26 19:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/a-peace-crime-1.301190 | Jul 26 19:37 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 200 ok .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jul 26 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Hawks | Jul 26 19:37 |
| schestowitz | "Assad's words should have been headline news last week and in the coming weeks. Anwar Sadat said less before he came to Israel. In those days we were excited by his words, today we brazenly disregard such statements." | Jul 26 19:37 |
| schestowitz | http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1279370237 | Jul 26 19:38 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: A Parliamentary Mob - Gush Shalom - Israeli Peace Bloc .::. Size~: 29.95 KB | Jul 26 19:38 |
| schestowitz | yuhong came just to divert attacks to IBM/Linux | Jul 26 19:45 |
| schestowitz | PR bunnies from the Microsoft proxy. | Jul 26 19:53 |
| schestowitz | > Dear Roy, | Jul 26 19:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 26 19:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 26 19:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 26 19:53 |
| schestowitz | > My name is Colleen Toumayan and I am the PR Manager at Diskeeper | Jul 26 19:53 |
| schestowitz | > Corporation. | Jul 26 19:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 26 19:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 26 19:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 26 19:53 |
| schestowitz | > Diskeeper Corporation has just released a new version of its virtual | Jul 26 19:53 |
| schestowitz | > platform disk optimizer, V-locity 2.0. | Jul 26 19:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 26 19:53 |
| schestowitz | > The complete press release is below. If you would like I can also send | Jul 26 19:53 |
| schestowitz | > the product. | Jul 26 19:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 26 19:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 26 19:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 26 19:53 |
| schestowitz | > I also wanted to see if you have plans on attending VMworld at the end | Jul 26 19:53 |
| schestowitz | > of August. If you are attending, it would be great to meet. | Jul 26 19:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 26 19:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 26 19:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 26 19:53 |
| schestowitz | > I look forward to hearing from you. | Jul 26 19:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 26 19:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 26 19:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 26 19:53 |
| schestowitz | > Best, | Jul 26 19:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 26 19:53 |
| schestowitz | > Colleen | Jul 26 19:53 |
| schestowitz | No idea why they took my address at all | Jul 26 19:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1723472/lenovo-release-android-tablet | Jul 26 20:00 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Lenovo will release an android tablet by year end - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 54.61 KB | Jul 26 20:00 |
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| schestowitz | I won't be able to sleep well. I need to watch and interact with the server because of the bots that attack ot | Jul 26 22:11 |
| schestowitz | *it | Jul 26 22:11 |
| schestowitz | If I go to bed, the site may fall offline for hours | Jul 26 22:11 |
| MinceR | what's ender butthurt about? | Jul 26 22:17 |
| schestowitz | see #techrights | Jul 26 22:24 |
| schestowitz | [23:09] <tessier> The load seems to fluctuate a bit but the site remains responsive. I'll keep an eye on it. I need to step away for about 30 minutes but I'll be back and look in on the server again. | Jul 26 23:10 |
| schestowitz | [23:10] <schestowitz> Thanks a lot! | Jul 26 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/295444 "yeah but this is STATUS, you know? every hour they hit your site is an hour of glory, and it will be sorted eventually, then it's free advertising- most webby award winners don't get ddos'ed, eh?" | Jul 27 10:40 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Tuesday, 27-Jul-10 09:28:48 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 7.98 KB | Jul 27 10:40 |
| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/295491 "pay twice, give them incentive to get it wrong more often! msft should have a business method patent on this.." | Jul 27 11:35 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Tuesday, 27-Jul-10 09:49:11 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 8.95 KB | Jul 27 11:35 |
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| schestowitz | > Hi, Roy, | Jul 27 15:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 27 15:35 |
| schestowitz | > Techrights has been unavailable quite often the last few days. Sometimes | Jul 27 15:35 |
| schestowitz | > when it's unavailable there is a proxy/cache error, like this one: | Jul 27 15:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 27 15:35 |
| schestowitz | > Error 503 Service Unavailable | Jul 27 15:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 27 15:35 |
| schestowitz | > Service Unavailable | Jul 27 15:35 |
| schestowitz | > Guru Meditation: | Jul 27 15:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 27 15:35 |
| schestowitz | > XID: 183865966 | Jul 27 15:35 |
| schestowitz | > Varnish cache server | Jul 27 15:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 27 15:35 |
| schestowitz | > More often, attempts to connect just time out. | Jul 27 15:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 27 15:35 |
| schestowitz | > Here's a traceroute if that helps anything. | Jul 27 15:35 |
| schestowitz | Nice video: http://tinyogg.com/watch/uXDzg/ | Jul 27 16:14 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: TinyOgg - Watch: Os novos 10 mandamentos - Christopher Hitchens .::. Size~: 5.26 KB | Jul 27 16:14 |
| schestowitz | http://tinyogg.com/watch/xVxZn/ | Jul 27 16:24 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: TinyOgg - Watch: Student Sues For Right To Hate Gays? .::. Size~: 5.24 KB | Jul 27 16:24 |
| schestowitz | THey make a mistake there though | Jul 27 16:26 |
| schestowitz | They mix gay with black and with jew | Jul 27 16:26 |
| schestowitz | Gay can hardly be changed, maybe it's genetic | Jul 27 16:26 |
| schestowitz | Black is genetic, can't be changed | Jul 27 16:26 |
| schestowitz | Judaism is a dogma, it's like changing clothes | Jul 27 16:26 |
| schestowitz | http://tinyogg.com/watch/vXFS3/ | Jul 27 16:28 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: TinyOgg - Watch: StarCraft 2 RAZOR1911 crack .::. Size~: 5.24 KB | Jul 27 16:29 |
| MinceR | 183412 -!- Rollercoaster [shad0www@84.237.179.170] has quit [Quit: Leaving] | Jul 27 17:53 |
| MinceR | i think we've banned this troll before | Jul 27 17:53 |
| MinceR | http://wurstball.de/static/ircview/pictures/3ec54d11af32e21639036c6dfeea8972.jpeg | Jul 27 18:00 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jul 27 18:00 |
| schestowitz | "mental health" link | Jul 27 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Does that refer to Apple or the "gay" | Jul 27 18:27 |
| schestowitz | I reckon I'd get along better with gay people than Apple snobs | Jul 27 18:27 |
| schestowitz | To Apple people I can't talk to their face... it feels like they have ears where their nostrils should be :-) | Jul 27 18:28 |
| MinceR | it states that while sexual preference is normal among GNU/Linux and winblows users, crApple users tend to be gay | Jul 27 18:31 |
| MinceR | it also states that GNU/Linux users have a higher IQ than the other two groups :> | Jul 27 18:31 |
| MinceR | but the actual article could not be found | Jul 27 18:31 |
| MinceR | more of a lulz thing to me | Jul 27 18:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/21/dead-penguins-brazil-beaches | Jul 27 18:41 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Dead penguins wash up on Brazil's beaches | Environment | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 80.14 KB | Jul 27 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Linux is dead | Jul 27 18:41 |
| MinceR | netcraft confirms it? | Jul 27 18:41 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: if has_no_brain=true {if is_gay=true buy(Apple) else buy(Windows) else buy(Linux) | Jul 27 18:42 |
| schestowitz | missing bracker... | Jul 27 18:42 |
| schestowitz | *ket | Jul 27 18:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Religion/?id=3.1.709964881 | Jul 27 18:44 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Pakistan: Christian brothers shot dead for 'blasphemy' - Adnkronos Religion .::. Size~: 26.17 KB | Jul 27 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Religion of piece (of ***) | Jul 27 18:44 |
| MinceR | we come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill | Jul 27 18:47 |
| schestowitz | heads or tails? | Jul 27 18:55 |
| schestowitz | "Off w/ their heads!" | Jul 27 18:56 |
| MinceR | yuhong with his usual drive-by trolling | Jul 27 20:37 |
| MinceR | spineless m$ fanboy | Jul 27 20:37 |
| schestowitz | he's a teen | Jul 27 20:56 |
| schestowitz | [20:40] <tessier> In case you are curious: http://pastebin.ca/1909554 | Jul 27 20:57 |
| MinceR | a clueless, obnoxious teen | Jul 27 20:57 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: pastebin - Stuff - post number 1909554 .::. Size~: 23.91 KB | Jul 27 20:57 |
| schestowitz | The thing that hit us worst are the IE4 bots scanning daily pages (lots of db hits) over and over again, seconds apart. It's the ones which look fake. They targetted heavy pages w/o cache. | Jul 27 20:58 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: a nerd | Jul 27 20:59 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: a nerd | Jul 27 20:59 |
| MinceR | a nerd would have enough clue to not eat m$ propaganda | Jul 27 20:59 |
| schestowitz | a ned | Jul 27 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Blah blah | Jul 27 20:59 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: a nerd | Jul 27 20:59 |
| schestowitz | /yuhong has left the chat | Jul 27 20:59 |
| schestowitz | /yuhong has joined the chat | Jul 27 20:59 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: a nerd. Did you read my last message? | Jul 27 21:00 |
| schestowitz | /yuhong has left the chat | Jul 27 21:00 |
| MinceR | i think i'm getting the picture | Jul 27 21:01 |
| MinceR | if he did this in my channels he'd be banned already | Jul 27 21:01 |
| schestowitz | total requests 416859 | Jul 27 21:01 |
| schestowitz | total bot requests 81392 | Jul 27 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Yahoo! Slurp 52745 | Jul 27 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | [21:31] <tessier> How do you identify which hits are theirs? | Jul 27 21:32 |
| schestowitz | [21:32] <schestowitz> I tail the log files a lot once a while | Jul 27 21:32 |
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| schestowitz | [21:35] <tessier> I do also but can't tell the normal IE clients from bots or abusers. | Jul 27 21:40 |
| schestowitz | This was in the tinyogg front page queue: http://tinyogg.com/watch/7gbgb/ | Jul 28 00:23 |
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| schestowitz | So weird and outlandish | Jul 28 00:23 |
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| roy__ | > Dr. Roy, | Jul 28 07:05 |
| roy__ | > | Jul 28 07:05 |
| roy__ | > Here they go ODPs && PDFsEnglish && Spanish versions. Please let me | Jul 28 07:05 |
| roy__ | > know if you receive them. Sorry I couldn't do it before but during the | Jul 28 07:05 |
| roy__ | > weekend my four kids leave me exhausted. For whom I also do this | Jul 28 07:05 |
| roy__ | > they're growing up with GNU/Linux and deserve to have it always as it | Jul 28 07:05 |
| roy__ | > is: "FREE AS IN FREEDOM" | Jul 28 07:05 |
| roy__ | > | Jul 28 07:06 |
| roy__ | > I know you are in the middle of the battlefield and we really appreciate | Jul 28 07:06 |
| roy__ | > what you're doing. Thank you very much. | Jul 28 07:06 |
| roy__ | > | Jul 28 07:06 |
| roy__ | > Whatever I can do for the cause please do not hesitate to let me know. | Jul 28 07:06 |
| roy__ | > Cheers for all those who are working with you. | Jul 28 07:06 |
| roy__ | > | Jul 28 07:06 |
| roy__ | > God bless you | Jul 28 07:06 |
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| schestowitz | Xbox lost about $6-7bn at the early stages, so it'll never be profitable. | Jul 28 08:02 |
| schestowitz | Notice this: | Jul 28 08:02 |
| schestowitz | [07:53] [Notice] -BNtwitter to #boycottnovell- [glynmoody] What's the Latest in the Psystar Appeal? - http://bit.ly/dahzQK not sure I follow PJ's logic here... #apple #ibm | Jul 28 08:02 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Groklaw - What's the Latest in the Psystar Appeal? .::. Size~: 58.7 KB | Jul 28 08:02 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, glyn can't get what she's on about defending APple, either | Jul 28 08:02 |
| schestowitz | She defends two giant corporations, IBM and Apple | Jul 28 08:02 |
| schestowitz | Anything but Microsoft, but she doesn't seem to actually do much to advance Free(Dom) software | Jul 28 08:03 |
| schestowitz | That's why Groklaw loses some credibility IMHO | Jul 28 08:03 |
| schestowitz | Among FOSS types | Jul 28 08:03 |
| schestowitz | Defending Apple is stupid | Jul 28 08:06 |
| schestowitz | Let me write to her about it........... | Jul 28 08:06 |
| MinceR | i'm interested in the reply | Jul 28 08:06 |
| MinceR | "Then Apple v. Psystar, with Psystar arguing that writing an operating system was too hard" | Jul 28 08:07 |
| MinceR | crApple should agree | Jul 28 08:07 |
| MinceR | after all they stole most of OSX | Jul 28 08:07 |
| schestowitz | "I am often a tad disappointed when I see the amount of Apple apologism/defense in News Picks and also in posts. It is very likely that Microsoft 'pulls a SCO' against Apple, but we would be wasting valuable time and effort defending a company as unethical as Apple (I won't go into the reasons here). They already have many lawyers." | Jul 28 08:08 |
| schestowitz | "It it worth thinking whether we promote mega-brands or software freedom because our efforts/endeavours are limited. Just my 50 cents." | Jul 28 08:09 |
| schestowitz | PJ values my opinion cause we exchanged mail daily since 2006 | Jul 28 08:09 |
| schestowitz | I just can't take this anymore, it's silly | Jul 28 08:09 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 28 08:10 |
| schestowitz | I will paste responses here later | Jul 28 08:10 |
| MinceR | thx | Jul 28 08:10 |
| schestowitz | I never said anything to her, until now. | Jul 28 08:10 |
| schestowitz | http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/07/27/1517224/Interview-With-the-Man-Behind-WikiLeaks <<<<<< comes across as a charlatan to me, I don't like him | Jul 28 08:15 |
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| schestowitz | http://technologizer.com/2010/07/26/google-introduces-google-apps-for-government/ | Jul 28 08:18 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Google Introduces Google Apps for Government .::. Size~: 42.09 KB | Jul 28 08:18 |
| schestowitz | Google is also becoming a threat with their 'cloud' lockin | Jul 28 08:18 |
| schestowitz | And they hardly need volunteers to promote them, they have a huge budget | Jul 28 08:18 |
| schestowitz | I'm gonna stop promoting anything non-free/libre from Google | Jul 28 08:19 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw seems to have two goals | Jul 28 08:22 |
| MinceR | nice | Jul 28 08:22 |
| MinceR | now not only does the government get to spy on google, but also the other way around | Jul 28 08:22 |
| schestowitz | Explore SCO-type litigation | Jul 28 08:23 |
| schestowitz | and 2) is to defend Linux | Jul 28 08:23 |
| schestowitz | But it doesn't do much of (2) anymore | Jul 28 08:23 |
| MinceR | i expected #2 to be "advertise crApple" | Jul 28 08:23 |
| schestowitz | News Picks contain almost nothing at all about Linux, ever | Jul 28 08:23 |
| MinceR | but i guess that's the new #2 | Jul 28 08:23 |
| schestowitz | Just legal material | Jul 28 08:23 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no | Jul 28 08:23 |
| schestowitz | 3) is to defend Apple too, not just Linux | Jul 28 08:23 |
| schestowitz | Basically "anything but Microsoft," not "anything but proprietary" | Jul 28 08:24 |
| schestowitz | I learned some years ago why Apple gaining would not constitute a real victory of any kind | Jul 28 08:24 |
| schestowitz | It's like having one absurd (as in absurdistan) political party replace another | Jul 28 08:24 |
| schestowitz | Different label, same misconduct | Jul 28 08:25 |
| MinceR | it might very well be worse | Jul 28 08:25 |
| schestowitz | So things need to be revolutionised by informing the public, which is led by massive PR campaign to choose red|blue | Jul 28 08:25 |
| MinceR | though i guess it's not so clear | Jul 28 08:25 |
| MinceR | crApple brings more lockdown but it's also easier to beat | Jul 28 08:25 |
| schestowitz | I hate APple fans | Jul 28 08:26 |
| MinceR | especially if the FS community perceives it as a direct threat | Jul 28 08:26 |
| schestowitz | At least WIndows users use something which they admit is crap | Jul 28 08:26 |
| schestowitz | At least the people I know.... | Jul 28 08:26 |
| MinceR | (switch all fundamental projects to GPLv3 -> no more free code to crApple) | Jul 28 08:26 |
| MinceR | i know at least 2 m$ fanboys who don't admit that winblows is crap | Jul 28 08:26 |
| MinceR | or that any m$ product is crap | Jul 28 08:26 |
| MinceR | they both seem to have been brainwashed | Jul 28 08:27 |
| schestowitz | You met BillG and SteveB? | Jul 28 08:27 |
| MinceR | one of them "work"ed for m$ hungary | Jul 28 08:27 |
| MinceR | nope | Jul 28 08:27 |
| MinceR | he keeps bragging about how great their testing is | Jul 28 08:27 |
| MinceR | ridiculous | Jul 28 08:27 |
| schestowitz | there is no MS Hungary | Jul 28 08:27 |
| schestowitz | They label it this way for marketing purposes | Jul 28 08:27 |
| schestowitz | Makes the multinational INVADER seem local and beneficial to the country | Jul 28 08:27 |
| MinceR | well, it's a subsidiary in absurdistan | Jul 28 08:29 |
| schestowitz | Satellite | Jul 28 08:31 |
| schestowitz | They probably do taxing in Romania for evasion of fines | Jul 28 08:31 |
| MinceR | the other fanboy is a m$ "partner' | Jul 28 08:34 |
| MinceR | s/.$/"/ | Jul 28 08:34 |
| MinceR | apparently he believes m$ won't fuck him like they fucked their icelandian distributors | Jul 28 08:35 |
| MinceR | (that's what "partner" means to m$: someone they will fuck) | Jul 28 08:35 |
| schestowitz | "These losses in the Xbox business were never hidden, just not widely publicised. There are ways for any company -- Microsoft included -- to deemphasise particular facts. I happen to maintain a page about Xbox/360 facts -- those you can find supporting information for but Microsoft won't bother telling the press about." | Jul 28 08:38 |
| schestowitz | I'm gonna hang around in Groklaw today... | Jul 28 08:38 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Microsoft loves to "fuck" | Jul 28 08:38 |
| schestowitz | "Fuck! It took you a year to figure that out!" - Bill Gates | Jul 28 08:39 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 28 08:39 |
| schestowitz | "The last thing this company needs is another fucking [computer] language." -Nathan Myhrvold, Microsoft | Jul 28 08:39 |
| schestowitz | "That’s the dumbest fucking idea I’ve heard since I’ve been at Microsoft." -Bill Gates | Jul 28 08:41 |
| schestowitz | And so on... | Jul 28 08:42 |
| schestowitz | Nice dude that Gates... | Jul 28 08:42 |
| schestowitz | Don't mind the language though :-) | Jul 28 08:42 |
| schestowitz | He's a lot nicer when you get to know him in pe...... I mean, on television | Jul 28 08:42 |
| schestowitz | Got a response from PJ: | Jul 28 08:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=864998#c865005 | Jul 28 08:50 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Groklaw - Digging for Truth .::. Size~: 16.03 KB | Jul 28 08:50 |
| schestowitz | Think deeper. | Jul 28 08:50 |
| schestowitz | That's my two cents. Because if, for example, the same | Jul 28 08:50 |
| schestowitz | people behind the SCO farce are also behind Psystar, | Jul 28 08:50 |
| schestowitz | then it matters to defeat them, because they aren't | Jul 28 08:50 |
| schestowitz | going to stop with just Apple. | Jul 28 08:50 |
| schestowitz | My response: | Jul 28 08:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865005#c865009 | Jul 28 08:50 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Groklaw - Digging for Truth .::. Size~: 14.75 KB | Jul 28 08:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 08:51 |
| schestowitz | My point though, well... Apple has sufficient resources to handle this case, as well as the case against HTC, which strives to put "Apple tax" on Linux/Android. | Jul 28 08:51 |
| schestowitz | I think it's worth finding areas that promote software freedom and put time into those. To promote Apple is to promote "anything but Microsoft"; to promote GNU/Linux as matter of priority is to promote "anything but proprietary software". | Jul 28 08:51 |
| schestowitz | I accept your point that exposing agitators in Apple's case can help expose those who harm IBM (or GNU/Linux), I just don't think it's the most productive way for you to use your vast knowledge in this area. | Jul 28 08:51 |
| schestowitz | At any rate, keep up your excellent work! | Jul 28 08:51 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 08:51 |
| schestowitz | I'm being as polite as I can | Jul 28 08:51 |
| schestowitz | her friend Erwan weights in too: | Jul 28 08:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 08:52 |
| schestowitz | hat would be the point of defending software freedom, for the beauty of it, if copyright laws were crippled by one of these weird lawsuits and campaigns Groklaw is documenting? | Jul 28 08:52 |
| schestowitz | On the other hand, how much is it getting fool of the monopole's spin doctors to bash Apple, IBM, Oracle or Google because they're big and proprietary? | Jul 28 08:52 |
| schestowitz | It's hard to say, I don't claim to have the answers. So let just allow PJ's instincts to guide her writings. | Jul 28 08:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 08:52 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to have a battle there. I think I got my point across, to the extent where I'm not being subversive | Jul 28 08:53 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Jul 28 09:11 |
| schestowitz | Here come the Apple apologists | Jul 28 09:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865009#c865012 | Jul 28 09:11 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Groklaw - Digging for Truth .::. Size~: 14.52 KB | Jul 28 09:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 09:11 |
| schestowitz | You should take a look at how active Apple actually is in contributing to | Jul 28 09:11 |
| schestowitz | Open Source. They are quiet, but their changes to Safari are contributed | Jul 28 09:11 |
| schestowitz | back to webkit, and so forth. | Jul 28 09:11 |
| schestowitz | Take a look at how much Apple software is GPL or BSD... | Jul 28 09:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 09:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865012#c865013 | Jul 28 09:11 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 09:11 |
| schestowitz | Apple is parasitic in its use of open source. I wrote a lot about this in the past and gave examples. | Jul 28 09:11 |
| schestowitz | Apple's reality distortion field wrt to "open source" is a serious danger (marketing). | Jul 28 09:11 |
| schestowitz | Do you want a more detailed explanation? | Jul 28 09:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 09:11 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2010/07/gplv3-now-dominates-at-google.html | Jul 28 09:25 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: GPLv3 now dominates at Google Code #oscon - InternetNews:The Blog - Sean Michael Kerner .::. Size~: 107.43 KB | Jul 28 09:25 |
| schestowitz | "First they came after Apple ... | Jul 28 09:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 09:53 |
| schestowitz | ... and I did not speak up because I thought Apple was unethical. | Jul 28 09:53 |
| schestowitz | Then they came after IBM and I did not speak up because IBM was a very profitable company. | Jul 28 09:53 |
| schestowitz | Then they came after the GPL but by then the precedents in the previous cases meant that speaking up was useless. | Jul 28 09:53 |
| schestowitz | PJ has a keen sense of right and wrong. If someone wrongfully attacked Microsoft she might very well write an article about it. For example, Microsoft recently lost a battle over an XML related software patent. I believe that software patent was wrong (because I believe all software patents are wrong) even though it was being used against Microsoft. I deplore the idea of "relative justice" where we base our fights not on | Jul 28 09:53 |
| schestowitz | right versus wrong but instead on who is being attacked and who is doing the attacking. It is like asking us to throw out our moral compasses (apparently some of the last few remaining). | Jul 28 09:53 |
| schestowitz | If the Psystar attack on Apple is wrong then it is wrong even if Microsoft is not surreptitiously funding it. It is wrong even if Apple is doing things you consider to be unethical. It is wrong even if the attack vector is not directly applicable to the GPL. The strategy of only exposing wrong-doing when a close friend or relative (by this I mean FOSS and the GPL) is attacked seems to me to be very short sighted. Life would | Jul 28 09:53 |
| schestowitz | be simpler if the world were black and white, if people and companies were either all good or all evil. But the real world is not like that. For example, Novell did that awful patent deal with Microsoft. But that didn't prevent me from rooting for Novell when they were fighting SCO over the Unix copyrights. | Jul 28 09:53 |
| schestowitz | The only thing necessary to the triumph of evil, is that good [people] do nothing. | Jul 28 09:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 09:54 |
| schestowitz | "By that logic we should never have covered SCO v IBM .... " | Jul 28 09:54 |
| schestowitz | Me: No, in SCO's case SCO was directly threatening every Linux vendor/distributor and even user. | Jul 28 09:55 |
| schestowitz | PJ's supporters in that site sidle with her, as I expected | Jul 28 09:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 09:58 |
| schestowitz | Following a link at | Jul 28 09:58 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/XBox_Reality_Log | Jul 28 09:58 |
| schestowitz | to | Jul 28 09:58 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: XBox Reality Log - Techrights .::. Size~: 32.64 KB | Jul 28 09:58 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2009/05/03/microsoft-xbox-failure-departure/ | Jul 28 09:58 |
| schestowitz | to | Jul 28 09:58 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsofts XBox Group Still Operates at a Loss, XBox Director Quits | Techrights .::. Size~: 108.88 KB | Jul 28 09:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3173925 | Jul 28 09:58 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft's Xbox Group Loses $31M in Second Quarter | Jul 28 09:58 |
| schestowitz | After two consecutive quarters of profit, the Xbox group is bleeding | Jul 28 09:58 |
| schestowitz | again." | Jul 28 09:58 |
| schestowitz | A two consecutive quarter profit to a $31M loss for the first consecutive | Jul 28 09:58 |
| schestowitz | quarter 2009, this seems like a bargain for keeping Linux away from the desktop | Jul 28 09:58 |
| schestowitz | OS market where the real profit for MS are. | Jul 28 09:58 |
| schestowitz | I'm not saying MS is getting rich on Xbox, but that the benefits of Xbox is that | Jul 28 09:58 |
| schestowitz | it does a reasonably good job in keeping both Mac and Linux away from the | Jul 28 09:58 |
| schestowitz | desktop. | Jul 28 09:58 |
| schestowitz | I am sure MS can tolerate substantial losses for Xbox just because of that. Yet, | Jul 28 09:58 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft's Xbox Group Loses $31M in Second Quarter: News from 1UP.com .::. Size~: 115.26 KB | Jul 28 09:58 |
| schestowitz | if it happens to make some money too, why not. | Jul 28 09:58 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 09:58 |
| schestowitz | The Xbox error rates have harmed the company's reputation. | Jul 28 09:58 |
| oiaohm | Lot of MS people I taking to seam to have the Idea that the Xbox is out of reach of competition because it cost so much to develop a console. | Jul 28 10:22 |
| oiaohm | Really that is the flaw. | Jul 28 10:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=anti+Apple+jihad&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=864998#c865027 | Jul 28 10:26 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Groklaw - Digging for Truth .::. Size~: 22.99 KB | Jul 28 10:26 |
| schestowitz | "Schest, you would to your case less harm if you stick to reporting the facts and get off this personal Jihad against Apple, you only damage your own case. Assume we're all mature adults and can make our own minds up. Apple has been most successful in promoting its own hardware and software platform. Nothing wrong in that and they did it without engaging in the kind of dirty-dealing that some other companies engaged in." | Jul 28 10:27 |
| schestowitz | See what I'm getting from that? | Jul 28 10:27 |
| schestowitz | I won't be bringing that subject up in Groklaw again | Jul 28 10:27 |
| schestowitz | I've just replied | Jul 28 10:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 10:27 |
| schestowitz | There's no "anti-Apple jihad" and if there is such a thing, it's definitely not a Microsoft thing. Apple's competitors include giants like Nokia, which fights back against Apple when Jobs belittles its phones. Same with Motorola for that matter. | Jul 28 10:27 |
| schestowitz | I am not talking about Apple's ethical business practices here; I talk about their effect on our freedom, as well as a handset culture, to put it one way. If a user-hostile phone (with some "Linux" logo slapped onto it) contains DRM and self-destructs upon remote disablement, then we achieve nothing here but play in the pointless game of mega-brands. | Jul 28 10:27 |
| schestowitz | My personal goal is to advance personal freedom in computing because in case you didn't notice, it's getting worse over time and Apple takes a leading role in taking away these freedoms (sometimes more so than Microsoft), along perhaps with Nokia. | Jul 28 10:27 |
| schestowitz | What actually invoked this original comment of mine was not the article at hand. It's just the fact that Groklaw inadvertently does a lot to promote Apple products that need to be shunned because they marginalise software freedom. | Jul 28 10:27 |
| schestowitz | I have attempted to be polite and constructive here. | Jul 28 10:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 10:27 |
| oiaohm | Same kind of line they have come after me with for years. | Jul 28 10:28 |
| oiaohm | You cannot just be pro freedom you have to be anti-someone so they can attack you. | Jul 28 10:29 |
| schestowitz | See? I shouldn't have started this discussion | Jul 28 10:33 |
| schestowitz | Waste of time | Jul 28 10:33 |
| schestowitz | Florian has just mailed me | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | He's hawking Groklaw, trying to smear Pam | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | Re: PJ's misinformation on copyright, GPL, tying | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > Hi Roy, | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > The comments below don't go to others. Feel free to use them as you see | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > fit, in public or as background information. I saw you comment on the | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > Groklaw discussion thread concerning Psystar. | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > PJ intentionally fails to clarify the fundamental differences between | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > those cases. Psystar wants to achieve its goal within the confines of | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > copyright law, and that's where Apple disagrees. PJ writes that "Psystar | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > wants to overturn copyright law as we know it". Then she should make a | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > clear distinction from TurboHercules, whosecomplaint doesn't call into | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > question IBM's interpretation of copyright law. That was never an issue | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > and I can't imagine that it ever will be. Instead, antitrust law can | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > impose conditions on companies in a dominant market position. | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > PJ furthermore fails to explain that TurboHercules didn't ask for a | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > freebie as far as z/OS is concerned. Instead, TurboHercules's first | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > letter to IBM | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > (http://www.turbohercules.com/uploads/files/TH-letter-to-IBM-Europe-2009-07-29.pdf) | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > asked for an offer of licensing terms: "The pricing, conditions and | Jul 28 10:34 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: TurboHercules :: Welcome .::. Size~: 14.81 KB | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > limitations of that license would be at the sole discretion of IBM on | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > reasonable and fair terms." TurboHercules's complaint lodged with the | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > European Commission in March didn't go any further. IBM will not be | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > expropriated or insufficiently compensated. | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > PJ conflates those types of issues with the legal strength of the GPL, | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > arguing that the GPL is a copyright license and therefore copyright must | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > be respected. That is extremely far-fetched: restrictions concerning on | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > which hardware to run a program are neither part of the GPL nor is any | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > copyright holder's potential right to impose such restrictions needed in | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > order to enforce the GPL. Copyleft works because of its effect on | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > derivative works. | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > What PJ doesn't mention is that the kind of restriction on a right | Jul 28 10:35 |
| schestowitz | > holder that TurboHercules seeks is consistent with the European | Jul 28 10:35 |
| schestowitz | > Commission's antitrust case against Microsoft. Even though Microsoft | Jul 28 10:35 |
| schestowitz | > undeniably holds copyright in Windows, the Media Player and Internet | Jul 28 10:35 |
| schestowitz | > Explorer, the Commission held antitrust law against Microsoft in order | Jul 28 10:35 |
| schestowitz | > to ensure customer choice and achieve the effect of "untying". | Jul 28 10:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 28 10:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 28 10:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 28 10:35 |
| schestowitz | > Of all the cases PJ mentioned, nothing comes remotely as close to the EU | Jul 28 10:35 |
| schestowitz | > case against Microsoft as the "tying" part of the investigation launched | Jul 28 10:35 |
| schestowitz | > against IBM. | Jul 28 10:35 |
| schestowitz | BP = polluting bastards | Jul 28 10:36 |
| schestowitz | 'i'm happy, i've been calling them "bastard people" for weeks- but i'm quite sure he doesn't read our dents, it's more like "what else would it stand for?" it's probably unfair to the more average "bastard," comparing them to bp *shrug* but it's fun!' | Jul 28 10:36 |
| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/299178 | Jul 28 10:36 |
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| schestowitz | Brands | Jul 28 10:36 |
| schestowitz | Makes me sick | Jul 28 10:36 |
| schestowitz | And later on you know what I get? | Jul 28 10:36 |
| schestowitz | I see someone in Groklaw saying I'm too "anti-corporate" or something | Jul 28 10:36 |
| schestowitz | Apparently Microsoft has a monopoly on "being allowed to be the bad guy" | Jul 28 10:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=XBOIX+vs+BSOD&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865025#c865035 | Jul 28 10:41 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 10:41 |
| schestowitz | "The Xbox error rates have harmed the company's reputation" | Jul 28 10:42 |
| schestowitz | LOL, compared to what?! They have had a terrible reputation since day three. | Jul 28 10:42 |
| schestowitz | LOL! | Jul 28 10:42 |
| schestowitz | Yes, it does harm the reputation, but BSOD does too and has done for decades. | Jul 28 10:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 10:42 |
| oiaohm | Shoddy work harms reputation. | Jul 28 10:45 |
| oiaohm | And shoddy work by MS is not new. | Jul 28 10:45 |
| schestowitz | re BP http://280.status.net/notice/299254 "yeah, with friends like bp, who needs terrorists? " | Jul 28 11:02 |
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| schestowitz | server issue......... | Jul 28 11:52 |
| schestowitz | [root@boycottnovell ~]# /etc/init.d/httpd restart | Jul 28 11:52 |
| schestowitz | Stopping httpd: [ OK ] | Jul 28 11:52 |
| schestowitz | Starting httpd: Warning: DocumentRoot [/home/boycottn/redirects] does not exist | Jul 28 11:52 |
| schestowitz | [ OK ] | Jul 28 11:52 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865061#c865063 | Jul 28 13:15 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 13:15 |
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| schestowitz | PJ should cut this. | Jul 28 13:15 |
| schestowitz | GL is not about GL. | Jul 28 13:15 |
| schestowitz | The sites you desire already exist. | Jul 28 13:15 |
| schestowitz | Try and stick to the issues not the medium. | Jul 28 13:15 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 13:15 |
| schestowitz | He suggests censoring this | Jul 28 13:15 |
| schestowitz | me: "The issue here is Apple. It's not about Groklaw. It's just that there are some circles where Apple is accepted and whether or not Apple is worth defending is the subject. What does the FSF say about Apple?" | Jul 28 13:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865013#c865058 | Jul 28 13:18 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 13:18 |
| schestowitz | In large part I disagree regarding Apple, but this is not the correct fight | Jul 28 13:18 |
| schestowitz | regarding our feelings toward an inanimate object. | Jul 28 13:18 |
| schestowitz | This is about copyright and there is a large part that intersects with the | Jul 28 13:18 |
| schestowitz | interests of the free software people such as ourselves. | Jul 28 13:18 |
| schestowitz | If the copyright laws can be 'adjusted' in a certain way then our free software | Jul 28 13:18 |
| schestowitz | can be made proprietary, and if Apple defend against this then they have my | Jul 28 13:18 |
| schestowitz | support regarding this, Microsoft would get my support regarding this. If I am | Jul 28 13:18 |
| schestowitz | defending Apple I am OK with this. | Jul 28 13:18 |
| schestowitz | Free software depends on copyright law to exist. The arguments regarding the | Jul 28 13:18 |
| schestowitz | rights and wrongs of having copyright are irrelevant since they are here. | Jul 28 13:18 |
| schestowitz | Apples use of free software is well documented, | Jul 28 13:18 |
| schestowitz | Apple has suffered tardiness before complying with some licences, | Jul 28 13:18 |
| schestowitz | Apple has sometimes made it difficult to re-integrate the code that they have | Jul 28 13:18 |
| schestowitz | released to a project, | Jul 28 13:18 |
| schestowitz | Apple have smartened up their act. | Jul 28 13:18 |
| schestowitz | In my view no company is to be trusted, no company can show loyalty in the sense | Jul 28 13:18 |
| schestowitz | that it is understood. | Jul 28 13:18 |
| schestowitz | I will take a one at a time view, it seems best sometimes. | Jul 28 13:18 |
| schestowitz | be good peeps :) | Jul 28 13:18 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 13:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.serverwatch.com/trends/article.php/3894546/Windows-Server-2003-Bye-Bye.htm | Jul 28 13:19 |
| schestowitz | "Yes, that's correct; .NET sites and services. Thanks to Novell and dozens of volunteer developers, the Mono Project allows .NET developers to use Microsoft's Visual Studio and Linux as they would for equivalent Windows hosted sites." | Jul 28 13:19 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Jul 28 13:19 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 13:37 |
| schestowitz | I can't see your point here. I use some Apple gear, and also run Debian. I | Jul 28 13:37 |
| schestowitz | have written copyrighted software and made some of it available under | Jul 28 13:37 |
| schestowitz | FLOSS. | Jul 28 13:37 |
| schestowitz | If we do what you seem to want, there will be no copyright (Which may or | Jul 28 13:37 |
| schestowitz | may not be a good thing - As I write this stuff, I generally think that I | Jul 28 13:37 |
| schestowitz | should be able to do with it what I want.). Without copyright there is no | Jul 28 13:37 |
| schestowitz | GPL, and thus no Linux. Large corporates would then be able to take my | Jul 28 13:37 |
| schestowitz | work, and then do whatever they want with it, without my permission. | Jul 28 13:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 13:37 |
| schestowitz | me: "The case against Apple is not a case to entirely abolish copyright. Free software needs copyright, which is not going away any time soon. It's more of a straw man here. To clarify, the subject raised here is that Apple's case is not something I view as important given that Apple has enough lawyers to fight against the agitator. I came to this post to comment after Glyn Moody tweeted it and wrote "not sure I follow PJ's | Jul 28 13:37 |
| schestowitz | logic here..."" | Jul 28 13:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=864998#c865070 | Jul 28 13:37 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 13:37 |
| schestowitz | We should defend Apple on principle, just as we rushed to | Jul 28 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's defense when they were attacked by i4's software | Jul 28 13:38 |
| schestowitz | patent (and we don't approve of software patents). | Jul 28 13:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 13:38 |
| schestowitz | me: I am not arguing against defending Apple in the face those who abuse it. I guess I stated this without clarity. | Jul 28 13:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 14:17 |
| schestowitz | Hi Roy, | Jul 28 14:17 |
| schestowitz | My reply was to Linuxrocks123. I, like you, have a science background | Jul 28 14:17 |
| schestowitz | (Chartered Chemist) and generally support the idea that knowledge should | Jul 28 14:18 |
| schestowitz | where possible be in the public domain - But, it should be our (and | Jul 28 14:18 |
| schestowitz | Apple's) choice as to how our work is released. | Jul 28 14:18 |
| schestowitz | I can think of no reason to side with Pystar, they too could have taken | Jul 28 14:18 |
| schestowitz | BSD and built their own distribution around it, but that would have taken | Jul 28 14:18 |
| schestowitz | them years and cost many millions. The problems caused by BSD | Jul 28 14:18 |
| schestowitz | licencing are another matter... | Jul 28 14:18 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 14:18 |
| schestowitz | me:" I wrote about Pystar a great deal and made my opinions clear. I support Apple's case against Pystar. I also support Groklaw's many brains, which I think can focus more on subjects that the FSF is too understaffed to handle; let Apple's army of lawyers fight Pystar. (Again, IMHO.) On many occasions in the past I got criticised for linking to stories about proprietary software that runs on GNU/Linux. Years later I | Jul 28 14:18 |
| schestowitz | understood why." | Jul 28 14:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=Pystar+schestowitz&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Jul 28 14:18 |
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| oiaohm | Copyright is Copyright | Jul 28 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Apple has the right to say how there Copyrighted material is used. | Jul 28 14:18 |
| oiaohm | So Pystar loses. | Jul 28 14:19 |
| oiaohm | We cannot demard the rules of GPL get followed if we say anyone who chooses can breach copyright. | Jul 28 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Pystar is a burning example of how some hardware makers treat copyright. | Jul 28 14:19 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Jul 28 14:27 |
| schestowitz | What surprises me is how far Groklaw folks would go to oppose my views | Jul 28 14:28 |
| schestowitz | Cause this is the one and only areas where I disagree with PJ | Jul 28 14:28 |
| schestowitz | I told MinceR it would open a jar of worms... | Jul 28 14:28 |
| schestowitz | And I said I'd paste some responses here | Jul 28 14:28 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 28 14:39 |
| oiaohm | Thinking closed source is ok dies with time and experience. | Jul 28 14:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Actually, I was being sarcastic, and of course, we did not rush to defend Microsoft when they were "attacked" by i4i. I and many others were cheering 141 on. | Jul 28 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Establishing principle is very difficult when we are dealing with these giants of industry. Much easier to be objective when dealing with little people. Take for example the very important work of the ALCU. They will defend the worst scum bags that crawl on the surface of this planet if that is what it takes to defend a far more important principle like freedom of speech. Generally, we seem to understand that, and hold our | Jul 28 14:50 |
| schestowitz | noses and cheer the ALCU on when they are, for example, defending some racist bigot's rights to free speech. | Jul 28 14:50 |
| schestowitz | I hate Apple, because they are a cult, every much a cult as Scientology, praying on the gullible to widen their ample profit margins. Another reason I hate Apple is because, as you say in your comment above "Apple takes a leading role in taking away these freedoms". | Jul 28 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Now here in this article we have the Apple vs Psytar case being compare with IBM vs Microsoft's lackeys. Well - I support IBM, because they are being attacked by Microsoft's proxies, and because of the way the attack is being carried out. The accusation is that IBM has a monopoly on the mainframe, just as Microsoft wants Google to be declared a monopoly. I don't agree that IBM created a monopoly in the sense that Microsoft ( | Jul 28 14:50 |
| schestowitz | or Intel, for that matter) created a monopoly. IBM ended up with a defacto monopoly on the mainframe by default, because nobody else was interested in entering that market. I defend IBM more because of these slanderous allegations against them, these attempts to get them branded as monopolists. | Jul 28 14:50 |
| schestowitz | If the circumstances were different, I might not support IBM in this mainframe issue. If I try to imagine that a mainframe was just a common computer that anybody might have, I would see this issue entirely differently. I would think - I have this computer here and nobody has the right to tell me what software I can run on it! I might also think - I bought this OS from Apple, and I have the right to install that on any | Jul 28 14:50 |
| schestowitz | hardware I like. Now, I am not suggesting that I have the right to sell that, however. | Jul 28 14:50 |
| schestowitz | In summary, I have to admit that I have not contributed to clarifying the issues presented here. I have only muddied the waters further. On the one hand I admire the work of the ALCU, give IBM my full support, and cheered i4i on, but on the other hand I cannot defend Apple against Psytar. I am left conflicted, because we are dealing with such multidimensional issues here I cannot abstract it to a simple matter of principle. I | Jul 28 14:50 |
| schestowitz | am willing to maintain double standards on these issues. | Jul 28 14:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Side note (from the comment): | Jul 28 14:50 |
| schestowitz | "...Scientology, praying on the gullible..." | Jul 28 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Nice Freudian slip there! ;-) | Jul 28 14:50 |
| schestowitz | me: "Apple, IMHO, has the right to restrict what hardware its software is put on. However, I'd discourage anyone from buying *anything* from Apple (same for Microsoft)." | Jul 28 14:50 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 28 14:55 |
| MinceR | who wrote that wall of text? | Jul 28 14:55 |
| oiaohm | IBM is not alown in the Mainframe game. | Jul 28 15:00 |
| oiaohm | And does not really do anything to restrict other enteries. | Jul 28 15:00 |
| oiaohm | Heck if anything they do a lot to help more entries. | Jul 28 15:00 |
| oiaohm | Think of all the standards IBM has released freely over the years. | Jul 28 15:01 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865075#c865085 | Jul 28 15:35 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865013#c865058 | Jul 28 15:36 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 15:36 |
| schestowitz | If Apple is parasitic on free software, then so is Redhat, Canonical, Google | Jul 28 15:36 |
| schestowitz | and nearly every company that uses free software commercially, and the | Jul 28 15:36 |
| schestowitz | term is meaningless. | Jul 28 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Go grab the commit history from the webkit project's Subversion | Jul 28 15:36 |
| schestowitz | repository and look at it. You will find vast contributions from Apple. Same | Jul 28 15:36 |
| schestowitz | for projects like LLVM. | Jul 28 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Furthermore, they did not have to do most of this as open source. The | Jul 28 15:36 |
| schestowitz | non-Apple code in webkit was under LGPL, so Apple could have kept | Jul 28 15:36 |
| schestowitz | their stuff closed as long as they provided linkable object files. Instead | Jul 28 15:36 |
| schestowitz | they went with one of the openest licenses available. | Jul 28 15:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 15:36 |
| schestowitz | See? | Jul 28 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Apologists | Jul 28 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Some of them are there in Groklaw using Macs. They are lawyer types, it's not a Linux site | Jul 28 15:36 |
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| MinceR | pathetic | Jul 28 16:45 |
| MinceR | also, apparently PJ doesn't even understand how the LGPL works | Jul 28 16:46 |
| MinceR | it's not "you can do whatever you want with it as long as you provide linkable object files" | Jul 28 16:46 |
| MinceR | i guess that site isn't even useful for what its name says it's for | Jul 28 16:47 |
| schestowitz | PJ woke up | Jul 28 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Let's see what she says now | Jul 28 17:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Do a little research. See if you can find out | Jul 28 17:25 |
| schestowitz | who did the original moot court presentation | Jul 28 17:25 |
| schestowitz | for SCO. Then see who the guy's law firm is. | Jul 28 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Then look up who was the original law firm | Jul 28 17:26 |
| schestowitz | for Psystar. | Jul 28 17:26 |
| schestowitz | Then come back and tell us what you found. | Jul 28 17:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 17:26 |
| schestowitz | She actually defends me here | Jul 28 17:26 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jul 28 17:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865054#c865112 | Jul 28 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 17:26 |
| schestowitz | It's my job to see legal things that folks without | Jul 28 17:26 |
| schestowitz | my background and interests might not. | Jul 28 17:26 |
| schestowitz | I know that every time I write about Psystar, the | Jul 28 17:26 |
| schestowitz | same type of trolls that first showed up supporting | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | SCO show up to support Psystar. | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | I don't ever ignore evidence of that type, but instead | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | I make a note. Patterns are worth noting as one clue | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | in a bigger picture. | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | But the most important part of what I do is to | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | sort of play chess in my mind with a case. If I do | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | that, playing out in my mind what could result from | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | a case, and I see a potential for harm for FOSS, I | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | am supposed to tell you. | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | And I do. I know some won't comprehend why until | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | later. But I do it the minute I see it personally, | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | because I see what I see. | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, I'm used to being criticized every day of | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | the week, no matter what I write about, so I just | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | write about what I think matters to the community | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | either immediately or down the road. | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | This case matters. Or more accurately, it would if | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | it were successful. | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Now, here's something for you to think about if you | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | think I'm all wet: how come all these cases are | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | suddenly showing up about licenses? Who hates the | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | GPL so much, do you think? Can you think of any | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | players who would benefit if licenses were more | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | malleable? Can you think of anyone who would | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | benefit from breaking up all integrated products? | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | That would affect a lot more companies than Apple. | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Blackberries are integrated. Kindle. iPads, etc. | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Let's say Psystar gets a new per se copyright misuse | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | ruling. Are you willing to say goodbye to all of the | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | above? Because that is exactly what would happen. Do | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | you really think any company would bother to provide | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | such products if Psystar can take their labor of love | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | and sell it on the cheap for Psystar's benefit instead? | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | In effect, Psystar wants the US to be transformed into | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | China, as far as rip off of integrated products is concerned. | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Now think about Microsoft. How do they make their | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | money? From non-integrated software on anybody's | Jul 28 17:27 |
| schestowitz | hardware. | Jul 28 17:28 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 17:28 |
| MinceR | "to see" ...and ignore if it offends crApple | Jul 28 17:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=First+they+came+after+Apple+...&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865016#c865117 | Jul 28 17:28 |
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| MinceR | also, today i saw a post in which she claims to not care who attacks whom | Jul 28 17:28 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jul 28 17:28 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: she doesn't convince me there | Jul 28 17:28 |
| MinceR | and yet now she attacks Psystar by claiming that SCO apologists are defending them | Jul 28 17:28 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, she says that too | Jul 28 17:28 |
| MinceR | interesting | Jul 28 17:28 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Think they'd benefit? | Jul 28 17:28 |
| schestowitz | I mean, seriously, think they'd benefit if the | Jul 28 17:28 |
| MinceR | as if it wasn't irrelevant who defend Psystar | Jul 28 17:28 |
| schestowitz | world was suddenly flooded with brand x iMacs | Jul 28 17:28 |
| schestowitz | and iPads and phones that don't quite work well? | Jul 28 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Think they'd look a little better if Apple's stuff | Jul 28 17:28 |
| schestowitz | didn't quite work so beautifully any more, making | Jul 28 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft look like the pile of sludge they are? | Jul 28 17:28 |
| schestowitz | So, part of the analysis of a court case isn't who | Jul 28 17:28 |
| schestowitz | is being sued. That's irrelevant to me. It's who | Jul 28 17:28 |
| schestowitz | will benefit. | Jul 28 17:29 |
| schestowitz | And part of what I'm doing is essentially asking | Jul 28 17:29 |
| schestowitz | the question: should big players be allowed to misuse | Jul 28 17:29 |
| schestowitz | the court system as an anticompetitive weapon? I | Jul 28 17:29 |
| schestowitz | would like it if someone sued any monopoly player | Jul 28 17:29 |
| schestowitz | who did such a thing, because I view it an yet | Jul 28 17:29 |
| schestowitz | another dirty trick from the source of so many | Jul 28 17:29 |
| schestowitz | dirty tricks. | Jul 28 17:29 |
| schestowitz | Think Linux and FOSS would benefit if Microsoft | Jul 28 17:29 |
| schestowitz | was hampered from legal dirty tricks? | Jul 28 17:29 |
| schestowitz | That is what I mean about learning to think more | Jul 28 17:29 |
| schestowitz | deeply. Microsoft fights dirty. That is what I | Jul 28 17:29 |
| schestowitz | learned from doing the Comes exhibits, and it's | Jul 28 17:29 |
| schestowitz | never easy to immediately spot. But when you see | Jul 28 17:29 |
| schestowitz | every single competitor of Microsoft suddenly being | Jul 28 17:29 |
| schestowitz | slapped with antitrust complaints, after Microsoft | Jul 28 17:29 |
| schestowitz | announced that it was going to happen, you can't | Jul 28 17:29 |
| schestowitz | ignore it. You should not ignore it. Because Microsoft | Jul 28 17:29 |
| schestowitz | hates Linux and it hates the GPL. And that's my | Jul 28 17:29 |
| schestowitz | bottom line. | Jul 28 17:29 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 17:29 |
| MinceR | so much clueless crApple fanboyism (or fangirlism, whatever) | Jul 28 17:29 |
| schestowitz | Vic has another take | Jul 28 17:29 |
| schestowitz | I actually have some people take my side there | Jul 28 17:29 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 17:29 |
| schestowitz | > Microsoft recently lost a battle over an XML related | Jul 28 17:29 |
| schestowitz | > software patent. I believe that software patent was wrong | Jul 28 17:29 |
| schestowitz | > (because I believe all software patents are wrong) | Jul 28 17:29 |
| schestowitz | I agree with you that that patent *should* have been invalid - because all | Jul 28 17:29 |
| schestowitz | software patents should be invalid. | Jul 28 17:30 |
| schestowitz | But, until someone changes (or at least clarifies) the law, it *isn't* invalid. | Jul 28 17:30 |
| schestowitz | So Microsoft should have been busted - and they were. | Jul 28 17:30 |
| schestowitz | In an ideal world, MS would now join with us in campaigning for the abolition of | Jul 28 17:30 |
| schestowitz | software patents. Oooh - what's that pink thing flapping past the window going | Jul 28 17:30 |
| schestowitz | "oink"? | Jul 28 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Vic. | Jul 28 17:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 17:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865024#c865116 | Jul 28 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | PJ: | Jul 28 17:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Authored by: PJ on Wednesday, July 28 2010 @ 11:28 AM EDT | Jul 28 17:30 |
| schestowitz | This is more indirect, but if Psystar were to | Jul 28 17:30 |
| schestowitz | succeed, it would affect FOSS. This is about | Jul 28 17:30 |
| schestowitz | copyright, and so is the GPL. | Jul 28 17:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 17:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865086#c865108 " | Jul 28 17:30 |
| schestowitz | This coverage isn't about buying anything. | Jul 28 17:30 |
| schestowitz | It's about a legal case. | Jul 28 17:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 17:30 |
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| MinceR | no, in an ideal world m$ would have never existed :> | Jul 28 17:31 |
| MinceR | nobody would have bought their craptastic basic interpreters | Jul 28 17:31 |
| MinceR | nobody would have bought the stolen CP/M-86 from them | Jul 28 17:31 |
| MinceR | etc. | Jul 28 17:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865013#c865092 | Jul 28 17:32 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Groklaw - Digging for Truth .::. Size~: 19.16 KB | Jul 28 17:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Let me get this straight, PJ documenting this case is wrong because Apple is | Jul 28 17:32 |
| schestowitz | unethical? How so? Please cite your examples. | Jul 28 17:32 |
| schestowitz | So are corporations that are members of the US Chamber of Commerce ethical? Is | Jul 28 17:32 |
| schestowitz | it ethical to deny global warming? Is it ethical to continue polluting the | Jul 28 17:32 |
| schestowitz | environment and do nothing to change that? | Jul 28 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Apple took a stance and is no longer a member of the US Chamber of Commerce. | Jul 28 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Apple actually makes their computers eco friendly. Apple tries to reduce the | Jul 28 17:32 |
| schestowitz | damage their computers can cause the environment. | Jul 28 17:32 |
| schestowitz | So dear friend, please tell me the ways that Apple is unethical. | Jul 28 17:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 17:32 |
| schestowitz | That's a strawman. I never said it was wrong to document this case, I said something about priority based on the actual/perceived risk to software freedom. | Jul 28 17:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, July 28 2010 @ 10:58 AM EDT | Jul 28 17:34 |
| schestowitz | If you are going to allow people to choose a non-copyleft license, like the BSD | Jul 28 17:34 |
| schestowitz | or MIT licenses, you then don't get to complain that companies are | Jul 28 17:34 |
| schestowitz | "parasitic" when they do exactly what the license lets them do. | Jul 28 17:34 |
| schestowitz | If you want to make sure the code remains open down through the consumer chain, | Jul 28 17:34 |
| schestowitz | you use a copyleft license instead. That's why the GPL exists. | Jul 28 17:34 |
| schestowitz | That's also why there's a new version of the GPL: to block use cases that the | Jul 28 17:34 |
| schestowitz | authors hadn't wanted to allow. | Jul 28 17:34 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 17:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865013#c865101 | Jul 28 17:34 |
| schestowitz | me: "What would you say about Apple's handling of GPL-licensed software in the iSomething store? Did you see what Harald and the FSF said?" | Jul 28 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | me to PJ: "Yes, I'm not denying that this has impact on the GPL. What I was thinking is, how much can Groklaw contribute to the outcome and what would be the benefit of that compared to say... analysing the T3/TH case?"" | Jul 28 17:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865085#c865121 | Jul 28 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | PJ: " | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | I'm trying to teach you how the legal system | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | works, so you can be more alert to danger, because | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | for one thing, Microsoft has always used its | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | knowledge of the law anticompetitively. Read some | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | of the contracts in the Comes collection, and | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | you'll see what I mean. Maybe it's because Gates's | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | father is a lawyer. I don't know. But they use | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | lawyers as a weapon. | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | They are poised to use it as a weapon against FOSS. | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | They already did it with the Novell deal, which | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | Novell didn't grok until they were taken in. I | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | believe Microsoft did that deliberately in part | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | to divide the community and isolate Novell. | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | The FOSS community needs to understand how it all | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | works, so they are not clueless on the field with | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | an adversary who totally knows what it is doing. | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | I see the TurboHercules attempt to inflame the | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | community against IBM in that context, just as | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | I viewed the attacks on the Oracle-Sun deal in | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | that context. Microsoft, I have come to believe, | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | is not above a cynical use of the community by | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | misleading them as to what is really going on. | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | TurboHercules is not an open source company. But | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | they tried to persuade the community that it was, | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | that the issue was about us. And if I analyzed | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | all cases the way you say you do, their little | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | scheme would have worked. | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | Games are being played out, but the goal never | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | changes. It's about competing, unfairly, in my view, | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | using the legal and regulatory system as a club. | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | You want me to ignore that, and instead cheer | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | FOSS on and only write about a case when it's a FOSS company or project | Jul 28 17:39 |
| schestowitz | involved. But legal damage can be done with ANY legal case, because the | Jul 28 17:40 |
| schestowitz | decisions affect all | Jul 28 17:40 |
| schestowitz | players, FOSS too, no matter who the parties were. | Jul 28 17:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 17:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, even from a journalistic standpoint, | Jul 28 17:40 |
| schestowitz | I'm not about being a fan site and defending | Jul 28 17:40 |
| schestowitz | FOSS players no matter what they do, or attacking | Jul 28 17:40 |
| schestowitz | a company in a legal case because I don't like them. | Jul 28 17:40 |
| schestowitz | On the i4i case, I did defend Microsoft, actually. | Jul 28 17:40 |
| schestowitz | You admit you were glad they were suffering in | Jul 28 17:40 |
| schestowitz | the case. That's the difference between us. I don't look | Jul 28 17:40 |
| schestowitz | at the parties. I look at what the effect of a case | Jul 28 17:40 |
| schestowitz | will be. i4i has strengthened the patent system's | Jul 28 17:40 |
| schestowitz | issuing software patents. I will never support that. | Jul 28 17:40 |
| schestowitz | So if Microsoft is attacked with a software patent, | Jul 28 17:40 |
| schestowitz | I will support Microsoft in that case. | Jul 28 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Someday, there will be another collection of | Jul 28 17:40 |
| schestowitz | exhibits, I would guess, like the Comes collection, | Jul 28 17:40 |
| schestowitz | and we'll find out who was who and what was what. | Jul 28 17:40 |
| schestowitz | But I bet you'll find I was in the ballpark, if | Jul 28 17:40 |
| schestowitz | not exactly on bull's eye. | Jul 28 17:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Case of point from the Comes Petition: | Jul 28 17:40 |
| schestowitz | “Microsoft retaliated against industry participants that supported DR-DOS. For example, when Z-Nix Inc. bundled DR-DOS 6.0 and Microsoft Windows 3.1, proclaiming no incompatibilities, Microsoft’s Brad Silverberg wrote: “look what znix is doing! cut those fuckers off.” Within three weeks, Microsoft demanded an audit of Z-Nix’s entire business and then commenced a copyright and trademark infringement action. Z-Nix was | Jul 28 17:41 |
| schestowitz | forced to file for bankruptcy in or around 1995″ | Jul 28 17:41 |
| schestowitz | Authored by: LocoYokel on Wednesday, July 28 2010 @ 01:00 PM EDT | Jul 28 18:44 |
| schestowitz | For the record, I don't like Apple, I think they make shoddy, overpriced | Jul 28 18:44 |
| schestowitz | hardware and I don't like the way Jobs tries to dictate every little way I am | Jul 28 18:44 |
| schestowitz | allowed to use a device. I think there are serious issues with the doctrine of | Jul 28 18:44 |
| schestowitz | first sale and rights exhaustion that he is violating. | Jul 28 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Still, these are attacks on copyright itself and the right of creators to | Jul 28 18:44 |
| schestowitz | determine how their creations can be distributed. If these succeed think how | Jul 28 18:44 |
| schestowitz | long it will be before MS takes the Linux kernel and wraps it up inside their | Jul 28 18:44 |
| schestowitz | GUI using these cases to justify their actions. For that reason only I am | Jul 28 18:44 |
| schestowitz | supporting Apple in this case. Otherwise I would really like to see them get a | Jul 28 18:44 |
| schestowitz | lesson in the fact that once I purchase a product it is mine to do with as I | Jul 28 18:44 |
| schestowitz | choose and Jobs has absolutely no say in that. | Jul 28 18:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=agreed+in+part&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865058#c865163 | Jul 28 18:44 |
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| schestowitz | "PJ used to defend patents." http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=First+they+came+after+Linux+...&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865016#c865167 | Jul 28 18:45 |
| schestowitz | HUH? | Jul 28 18:45 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 18:45 |
| schestowitz | ... and IBM and Novell and RedHat and ... | Jul 28 18:45 |
| schestowitz | and I spoke up because they were wrong. | Jul 28 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Then they came after Apple and I speak up because I think they are right. PJ has | Jul 28 18:45 |
| schestowitz | a different opinion and that's her right. PJ used to defend patents. Only fools | Jul 28 18:45 |
| schestowitz | never change their mind. Maybe one day I'll change my opinion on this but not | Jul 28 18:45 |
| schestowitz | today. | Jul 28 18:45 |
| schestowitz | I think what most people seem to have a problem with is all the "evil | Jul 28 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft must be behind this" rhetoric. We'd prefer if discussions were | Jul 28 18:45 |
| schestowitz | based on facts instead of suspicions. | Jul 28 18:45 |
| schestowitz | I'll use and promote Linux whenever I have a chance because it's open and free | Jul 28 18:45 |
| schestowitz | (as in freedom). I don't promote Windows because it's neither open nor free. OSX | Jul 28 18:45 |
| schestowitz | is even less free than Windows therefore I will not promote it either. | Jul 28 18:45 |
| schestowitz | If I support Psystar it's not because I believe they are legally right; I'm not | Jul 28 18:45 |
| schestowitz | a lawyer. I support them because I strongly believe that contracts should not | Jul 28 18:45 |
| schestowitz | allow a party to restrict someone's rights the way that the Apple EULA does. | Jul 28 18:45 |
| schestowitz | - Alain Bo | Jul 28 18:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 18:46 |
| schestowitz | It's like reading the ACCESS troll: | Jul 28 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, July 28 2010 @ 01:28 PM EDT | Jul 28 18:47 |
| schestowitz | I agree with Apple's handling. | Jul 28 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Right up front, when you get your Developer Agreement, Apple says you must abide | Jul 28 18:47 |
| schestowitz | by all licenses applicable to software you use to develop your product, | Jul 28 18:47 |
| schestowitz | including free software you use. They actually highlighted such issues in the | Jul 28 18:47 |
| schestowitz | agreement. | Jul 28 18:47 |
| schestowitz | They say you cannot distribute software through the Apple store that does not | Jul 28 18:47 |
| schestowitz | comply with both the license rules of the underlying source code AND Apple's | Jul 28 18:47 |
| schestowitz | rules. | Jul 28 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Therefore, the GPL app that got pulled was rightly pulled for being in violation | Jul 28 18:47 |
| schestowitz | of _Apple's_ rules for the store, which include rules that you comply with the | Jul 28 18:47 |
| schestowitz | GPL where appropriate. | Jul 28 18:47 |
| schestowitz | People who downloaded that app can go after the developer to get the source code | Jul 28 18:48 |
| schestowitz | for the copies they have; no-one else has standing. But they won't get the | Jul 28 18:48 |
| schestowitz | source for iOS; the app developer doesn't have the right to change the license | Jul 28 18:48 |
| schestowitz | for anyone else's code. (That sounds familiar.) | Jul 28 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Exactly the same as the GPL says: if you cannot comply, you cannot distribute. | Jul 28 18:48 |
| schestowitz | If you do not distribute, the GPL doesn't matter. | Jul 28 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Because of this, I have actually re-written, from spec, a couple of libraries I | Jul 28 18:48 |
| schestowitz | would like to use. Those libraries are GPL (not even LGPL), and that is not a | Jul 28 18:48 |
| schestowitz | suitable license for my situation. | Jul 28 18:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865143#c865170 | Jul 28 18:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Why+must+one+targeting+an+improper+concept+be+seen+as+supporting+a+specific+side%3F&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=864998#c865153 | Jul 28 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | Strikes a nerve :-) | Jul 28 18:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 18:54 |
| schestowitz | I view war bad enough with just the basics that occur. I view war using nuclear weapons to be even more abhorrent. | Jul 28 18:54 |
| schestowitz | If Country X, in it's conflict with Country Y, was undergoing consideration of using a nuclear weapon and I stood up stating "no nuclear weapons": | Jul 28 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Why would you view me as supporting Country Y? | Jul 28 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Why would you view me as being against Country X? | Jul 28 18:54 |
| schestowitz | My statement speaks to the particular qualities of nuclear warfare, it has nothing to do with either Country. So why would you interpret my stance as anything but against the particular weapon being considered? | Jul 28 18:54 |
| schestowitz | In that same sense: | Jul 28 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Why do you view P.J.'s focus on the potential Legal fallout of an adverse ruling to be a potential attack on the GPL as any indication of any of the businesses in the discussion? | Jul 28 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Let's examine the work performed to date with regards P.J.'s selection of cases to view and their impact as we currently know them. | Jul 28 18:54 |
| schestowitz | 1) SCOG vs The World + Dog - Plenty of revisions and alterations to SCOGs stories. Someone not following along could easily fall prey to SCOG's silver tongue and sincerity in speach. However, with the full history documented and preserved... such revisionist history is extremely difficult. | Jul 28 18:54 |
| schestowitz | 2) MS Antitrust Lawsuits - With what we've witnessed MS is doing the best job they can to make all the evidence of their anti-trust efforts to disappear. With the COMES case, a lot of that information was made publicly available. If the efforts to preserve those hadn't been made, MS may very well have made all that historical evidence disappear. Future impact includes MS being able to claim a "first offense" if that | Jul 28 18:54 |
| schestowitz | information did not exist. Isn't educating the public on a Monopoly's business practices part of the strategy of giving market power back to the market and removing it from the Monopoly? Isn't it worth value to ensure the information is available to properly educate the appropriate authorities? | Jul 28 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Those are just two examples of where the efforts to track what was actually happening has been extremely useful. | Jul 28 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Perhaps instead of alluding to P.J. as an Apple appologist, you should give P.J. an opportunity - based on her track record - to see if she's right with regards something else underlying these attempts. | Jul 28 18:54 |
| schestowitz | That's just a suggestion though. Remember the basic principle of human equality: | Jul 28 18:54 |
| schestowitz | The rule you expect other's to live by, you must be willing to apply to yourself! | Jul 28 18:55 |
| schestowitz | In short: if you're going to automatically assume the worst from others based on your own apparent prejudices... then you can expect nothing more then others to assume the worst from you based on their own prejudices. | Jul 28 18:55 |
| schestowitz | With that in mind, perhaps the question you should be asking is why are you so anti-apple that you automatically view someone speaking with regards a particular legal tactic used to target Apple to be pro-Apple? | Jul 28 18:55 |
| schestowitz | RAS | Jul 28 18:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 18:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865085#c865177 | Jul 28 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | Apple apologfist warning: | Jul 28 18:56 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 18:56 |
| schestowitz | I hate Apple, because they are a cult, every much a cult as Scientology, praying on the gullible to widen their ample profit margins. | Jul 28 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Cult? I don't think so. My opinion is that a company (read: corporation) that consistently invests in design and execution that improves the state-of-the-art in ergonomic and intuitive progress deserves loyalty from its customers for that. Microsoft, for instance, has done little to make its products desirable to its customers, whereas Apple has done just the opposite. Apple makes products that, while perhaps just as | Jul 28 18:56 |
| schestowitz | proprietary as MS's, attract and appeal to users. | Jul 28 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Apple, IMHO, is making progress in the court of customer appeal whilst seemingly ignoring the threat of free (libre') software. In other words, they are halfway there. It's progress without achieving the end goal, where consumers have not only the benefit of customer-oriented design, but also the freedom to modify and share improvements of their own. For instance, there is a small download, at MagicPrefs that provides a whole | Jul 28 18:56 |
| schestowitz | bunch of (beer-type) free enhancements to Apple's Magic Mouse settings. It's a step in the right direction, but it's being executed in a way that does not step on any of Apple's many toes. Being in a large, powerful company's good graces is difficult to achieve, and even harder to sustain. over time, we can expect Apple to feel more threatened by truly Free software, and respond to it in a turning point that reflects either | Jul 28 18:56 |
| schestowitz | understanding/acceptance, or rejection. Then the die will have been cast, and the long-term future of Apple and software freedom will be even clearer. | Jul 28 18:56 |
| schestowitz | It's sometimes really hard being in defense of an entity that's perfectly able to defend itself, but this shouldn't negate the ability to judge for oneself who is right and who is wrong. I may not agree 100% with PJ, and I may find that it can take time to understand and, perhaps, even come to agreement with her POV. But whatever the relationship I have with her, PJ has always shown integrity, honesty, and openness in | Jul 28 18:56 |
| schestowitz | describing her positions and defending those she believes are being wronged. And that's what the US legal system should be doing as well, always. | Jul 28 18:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 18:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865177#c865193 | Jul 28 19:28 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 19:28 |
| schestowitz | I think he was referring to the Apple fanboys being the cult. | Jul 28 19:28 |
| schestowitz | And in some ways, I have to agree. The massive groupthink and "Steve can | Jul 28 19:28 |
| schestowitz | do no wrong" among many of them is occasionally disturbing. | Jul 28 19:28 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 19:28 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Authored by: wholeflaffer on Wednesday, July 28 2010 @ 02:17 PM EDT | Jul 28 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Well, then the parent should have referred to Apple's fans/customers, rather than the company itself. | Jul 28 19:29 |
| schestowitz | As to how the customers can be held responsible for Apple's decisions is an interesting question for a company that engages in proprietary and controlling behavior in its product designs. | Jul 28 19:29 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 19:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865193#c865203 | Jul 28 19:29 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=apple+primarily+sells...&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865188#c865199 | Jul 28 19:30 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 19:30 |
| schestowitz | hardware front-ends [aka storefronts] to their digital stores. | Jul 28 19:30 |
| schestowitz | these are not traditional general purpose computers, but | Jul 28 19:30 |
| schestowitz | instead consumer entertainment devices with all the | Jul 28 19:30 |
| schestowitz | restrictions that entails. | Jul 28 19:30 |
| schestowitz | imho, apple is not part of the solution to the ms problem; | Jul 28 19:30 |
| schestowitz | it's just another problem on that same spectrum. | Jul 28 19:30 |
| schestowitz | sum.zero | Jul 28 19:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 19:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865005#c865188 | Jul 28 19:30 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, July 28 2010 @ 01:44 PM EDT | Jul 28 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Sorry, I just don't find it plausible that SCO and Psystar | Jul 28 19:31 |
| schestowitz | are connected, or even that the cases have much of anything | Jul 28 19:31 |
| schestowitz | in common. | Jul 28 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Also, it seems that when Groklaw deals with software | Jul 28 19:31 |
| schestowitz | patents, there is great consideration of what the law "ought | Jul 28 19:31 |
| schestowitz | to be", as well as how the law currently stands. But when | Jul 28 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Psystar and EULAs are covered, the dictum is that "EULAs are | Jul 28 19:31 |
| schestowitz | valid, and folks who oppose EULAs are not facing reality". | Jul 28 19:31 |
| schestowitz | IMHO, while I think Psystar are basically disreputable | Jul 28 19:31 |
| schestowitz | would-be hitchhikers, I think that what they are doing ought | Jul 28 19:31 |
| schestowitz | to be legal, but admittedly is pretty clearly illegal as | Jul 28 19:31 |
| schestowitz | things currently stand. | Jul 28 19:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 19:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Basically, I think that as publisher of OSX, Apple should | Jul 28 19:31 |
| schestowitz | have the same rights accorded to the publisher of a book, | Jul 28 19:31 |
| schestowitz | namely protection from unauthorized copying. However, this | Jul 28 19:31 |
| schestowitz | should be limited to the traditional notion of copying as in | Jul 28 19:31 |
| schestowitz | publication, not technicalities like installation onto a | Jul 28 19:31 |
| schestowitz | single computer or loading into RAM. A book publisher | Jul 28 19:31 |
| schestowitz | doesn't get to decide who reads the book, whether the book | Jul 28 19:31 |
| schestowitz | can be resold, or whether people can write notes in the | Jul 28 19:31 |
| schestowitz | margins or hilight it. Neither should Apple have any say | Jul 28 19:31 |
| schestowitz | (under copyright law, for the the moment) what folks do with | Jul 28 19:31 |
| schestowitz | their legally-obtained copy of OSX. I think the recent | Jul 28 19:32 |
| schestowitz | decision regarding jailbreaking was indeed relevant here. | Jul 28 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Apple tried to argue that jailbreaking was a copyright | Jul 28 19:32 |
| schestowitz | violation, and they were rebuffed. | Jul 28 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Now, that still leaves the issue of the EULA being an | Jul 28 19:32 |
| schestowitz | enforceable contract. That seems to be a bit more plausible, | Jul 28 19:32 |
| schestowitz | but there are still many scenarios where someone could | Jul 28 19:32 |
| schestowitz | legally come into possession of OSX without having ever | Jul 28 19:32 |
| schestowitz | agreed to the EULA. Let's say I find a lost MacBook, and | Jul 28 19:32 |
| schestowitz | cannot locate the owner. If I can legally keep it, how can | Jul 28 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Apple that I am bound to any "contract"? It is a strange | Jul 28 19:32 |
| schestowitz | contract indeed that is "signed" by the normal operation of | Jul 28 19:32 |
| schestowitz | a product. If the title page of a book had a clause saying | Jul 28 19:32 |
| schestowitz | "If you turn this page, you agree to this contract...", | Jul 28 19:32 |
| schestowitz | would it be enforced by a court? I doubt it. | Jul 28 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Software publishers have unilaterally claimed "rights" that | Jul 28 19:32 |
| schestowitz | have never belonged to publishers in the past, and the | Jul 28 19:32 |
| schestowitz | courts and marketplace have largely let them get away with | Jul 28 19:32 |
| schestowitz | it. The parallels to software patents ought to be obvious. | Jul 28 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Just as software and patents "ought to get a divorce" | Jul 28 19:32 |
| schestowitz | through court rulings, I think the control of software | Jul 28 19:32 |
| schestowitz | publishers over their products ought to be scaled back by | Jul 28 19:32 |
| schestowitz | court rulings. | Jul 28 19:32 |
| schestowitz | IANAL, etc. | Jul 28 19:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Some people don't support Apple, either. | Jul 28 19:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Authored by: Lazarus on Wednesday, July 28 2010 @ 02:01 PM EDT | Jul 28 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Let me preface this by saying that the only Apple product I own (as far as I | Jul 28 19:33 |
| schestowitz | know) is an iPod, and a rather old one at that. | Jul 28 19:33 |
| schestowitz | I dislike Apple's policies (and EULAs in general) because they don't allow the | Jul 28 19:33 |
| schestowitz | user to do what they want, unless Apple has signed off on it. | Jul 28 19:33 |
| schestowitz | While Microsoft has "traditionally" been evil, they don't particularly | Jul 28 19:33 |
| schestowitz | care what I do with the software or hardware I may purchase from them. Largely | Jul 28 19:33 |
| schestowitz | because they're not in the same style of business as Apple. | Jul 28 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Apple wants to own your entire experience; they want to sell you the hardware, | Jul 28 19:33 |
| schestowitz | sell you the software, limit you to their gateway, etc. | Jul 28 19:33 |
| schestowitz | MS sells the software and then lets you put it on any vendor's hardware. They | Jul 28 19:33 |
| schestowitz | don't care if it is Dell, HP, ACER, Abit, ASUS, Gigabyte, etc. | Jul 28 19:33 |
| schestowitz | So certainly, in that regard, I don't support Apple against Psystar. And I | Jul 28 19:33 |
| schestowitz | think it is possible that Psystar could use the latest rulings on the DMCA in | Jul 28 19:33 |
| schestowitz | support. Yes, it is a stretch, because those exemptions are specific, but a lot | Jul 28 19:33 |
| schestowitz | of the same arguements are applicable. | Jul 28 19:33 |
| schestowitz | --- | Jul 28 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Darl McBride: The Uwe Boll of the business management world. | Jul 28 19:33 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Ad hominem tolls arrive | Jul 28 20:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Are you familiar with Roy at all? Look at his Techrights website, read the headlines, look at the pictures, read the articles, compare and contrast them with the links posted in each one. Notice the amount of work he puts into this project. Note that some of his articles quote his own friends on IRC. Now, calculate how much time he has to devoted to his website. Then, after you've spent at least an hour digging through years | Jul 28 20:32 |
| schestowitz | of content ask us again why Roy is the way he is. | Jul 28 20:32 |
| schestowitz | If you are short on time, just look at one article. The headline reads, "Users of Microsoft Office 2010 Hate It, OpenOffice.org is Loved..." Roy's conclusive proof? Two smoking guns. A collection of comments from the comp.os.linux.advocacy group. Sure to be fair and unbiased opinions there. Then a stunning pair of Amazon.com reviews ranking OpenOffice 5 stars but only 2.5 for MS Office. Oops, he conveniently forgets to | Jul 28 20:32 |
| schestowitz | mention that these rankings are based on only 4 reviews for OO (all 5 starts) and 22 reviews for MS Office (half giving it 5 stars). | Jul 28 20:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 20:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Why+must+one+targeting+an+improper+concept+be+seen+as+supporting+a+specific+side%3F&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865153#c865233 | Jul 28 20:32 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Groklaw - Digging for Truth .::. Size~: 15.59 KB | Jul 28 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Jul 28 20:33 |
| schestowitz | PJ says jesusphone | Jul 28 20:33 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Authored by: PJ on Wednesday, July 28 2010 @ 03:21 PM EDT | Jul 28 20:33 |
| schestowitz | That's Fox News. It's not what the paper is apparently about. It's about words and how they are used, and an analysis of someone calling the iPhone the JesusPhone and how that impacts perception. I'd have to pay to read the whole thing, but the abstract doesn't match the description by Fox. | Jul 28 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Here's what the two researchers actually wrote: | Jul 28 20:33 |
| schestowitz | How the iPhone Became Divine: New Media, Religion and the Intertextual Circulation of Meaning... | Jul 28 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Abstract | Jul 28 20:33 |
| schestowitz | This article explores the labeling of the iPhone as the ‘Jesus phone’ in order to demonstrate how religious metaphors and myth can be appropriated into popular discourse and shape the reception of a technology. We consider the intertextual nature of the relationship between religious language, imagery and technology and demonstrate how this creates a unique interaction between technology fans and bloggers, news media | Jul 28 20:33 |
| schestowitz | and even corporate advertising. Our analysis of the ‘Jesus phone’ clarifies how different groups may appropriate the language and imagery of another to communicate very different meanings and intentions. Intertextuality serves as a framework to unpack the deployment of religion to frame technology and meanings communicated. We also reflect on how religious language may communicate both positive and negative aspects of a | Jul 28 20:34 |
| schestowitz | technology and instigate an unintentional trajectory in popular discourse as it is employed by different audiences, both online and offline. | Jul 28 20:34 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 20:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Apple+-+The+new+religion&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865226#c865236 | Jul 28 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/07/28/new-religion-apple-say-academics/ | Jul 28 20:34 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: FOXNews.com - Christian, Jew ... iPhone? Apple Is the New Religion, Academics Say .::. Size~: 74.41 KB | Jul 28 20:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techdrivein.com/2010/07/gereqi-yet-another-amarok-14-clone-that.html | Jul 28 20:52 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Gereqi - Yet Another Amarok 1.4 Clone That Just Works | Tech Drive-in .::. Size~: 38.8 KB | Jul 28 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Looks nice | Jul 28 20:52 |
| schestowitz | I use minirok | Jul 28 20:52 |
| schestowitz | amarok has many forks | Jul 28 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Very good nes | Jul 28 20:52 |
| MinceR | any with support for lots of audio file formats, including modules, SID and AdLib-type stuff? | Jul 28 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Jul 28 21:02 |
| schestowitz | less than than amarok in minirok | Jul 28 21:02 |
| schestowitz | no .fla | Jul 28 21:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3895356/Linux-Music-Players-Amarok-vs-Clementine.htm | Jul 28 21:03 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Linux Music Players: Amarok vs. Clementine — Datamation.com .::. Size~: 68.39 KB | Jul 28 21:03 |
| schestowitz | But it's gentler on CPU (and RAM) | Jul 28 21:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865188#c865257 | Jul 28 21:23 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Groklaw - Digging for Truth .::. Size~: 16.73 KB | Jul 28 21:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 21:23 |
| schestowitz | We've been over this again and again and again. Neither Apple nor Microsoft sells you their software. Any more than does Red Hat, Mandriva, IBM, or Novell. | Jul 28 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Those who wish to force Apple to divorce their software business from hardware, and adopt the same business model as Microsoft, are asking to require Apple to compete with an abusive monopoly on the monopoly's terms. Nothing could suit Redmond more. | Jul 28 21:23 |
| schestowitz | There is no COMES vs. APPLE. No anti-trust action was required to interoperate with Apple filesystems or network. Every single major Linux distribution uses Apple's Common Unix Printer System (CUPS) as its default local and network printer interface. It was Apple that first promoted Adobe PostScript as an industry standard open page description language. (Although it took awhile to develop good alternate implementations, the | Jul 28 21:23 |
| schestowitz | PS spec was and is open, as is PDF.) | Jul 28 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Apple is not Microsoft. If you don't like Apple, don't use Mac. Interoperating with those who do is not a problem. There's a huge difference. | Jul 28 21:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 21:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865005#c865250 | Jul 28 21:25 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 21:25 |
| schestowitz | PJ, | Jul 28 21:25 |
| schestowitz | I am ambivalent concerning this case. It seems that you are defending | Jul 28 21:25 |
| schestowitz | restrictive shrink wrap EULA's and Apple's anti-competitive ways of trying to | Jul 28 21:25 |
| schestowitz | ensure that their operating system only runs on Apple hardware. | Jul 28 21:25 |
| schestowitz | It is true that Psystar's motives are pecuniary in nature. That is a given | Jul 28 21:25 |
| schestowitz | for any commercial endeavor. Apple's motives are profit driven also. They want | Jul 28 21:25 |
| schestowitz | everyone to pay for the software and for hardware that is more expensive than | Jul 28 21:25 |
| schestowitz | necessary due to a forced scarcity. | Jul 28 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Of course Psystar is trying to build a business model based upon a lot of | Jul 28 21:25 |
| schestowitz | legwork by another company. But that company's operating system is built on the | Jul 28 21:25 |
| schestowitz | backbone of work by many other people, which Apple obtained at what cost to | Jul 28 21:25 |
| schestowitz | them? | Jul 28 21:25 |
| schestowitz | If I understand it correctly, Psystar is attempting to install MAC OSX on | Jul 28 21:25 |
| schestowitz | generic computers, and in doing so has to modify some of Apple's files which | Jul 28 21:25 |
| schestowitz | look for an Apple hardware signature when booting. They are utilizing legally | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | purchased copies of OSX and the modifications are for interoperability purposes. | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | I though that such modifications for interoperability are part of the Fair Use | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Doctrine. | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | I don't know how different this is from a case a few years ago where Lexmark | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | was selling laser printers that had a startup routine that checked for Genuine | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Lexmark Toner Cartridges and would not operate if it did not find it's taletale | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | signature in the cartridges. A company found a way to fool the Lexmark printers | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | and produced chips they sold to toner cartridge remanufacturers so their | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | cartridges could be used in Lexmark Laser printers. | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | There are some differences to be sure. This is a hardware to hardware | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | restriction and there was copying of copyrighted code but no changes, as I | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | recall. | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Lexmark initially won, but lost on appeal. | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | I do not think that this case compares very well to the SCOG at all. | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | I would be open to any enlightenment you or anyone else may care to shine my | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | way. | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | There are legal and ethical issues here, and maybe I have not done my | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | homework well enough. | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | But I do wonder just how much money Apple could make by selling maybe several | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | million extra copies of OSX? I do not know if their hardware sales would suffer | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | that much because I think that the people who could afford a MAC would still buy | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | the real deal and not a clone. | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Glenn | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | [ Reply to This | Parent | # ] | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=So&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865167#c865252 | Jul 28 21:26 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Because you don't like Apple's EULA, you support Psystar's campaign to remove | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | the rights of software developers, and to permit the appropriation of someone | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | else's hard work by any two-bit shyster looking to make a quick buck...? | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Bit short sighted, don't you think? | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | [ Reply to This | Parent | # ] | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=But+I+never+asked+you....&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865233#c865256 | Jul 28 21:27 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Groklaw - Digging for Truth .::. Size~: 14.68 KB | Jul 28 21:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 21:27 |
| schestowitz | I asked Roy. He's the only one that can truly clarify the specific wording he choose. After all, you wouldn't really expect someone to be able to speak for you on their own initiative, would you? | Jul 28 21:27 |
| schestowitz | In other responses in this thread, he seems to be "back peddling" a bit trying to be more reasonable. Perhaps it's just a simple misunderstanding with regards what he posted and he'd welcome the opportunity to retract the particular words used and reword the concept he meant to express. | Jul 28 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Whatever the reason, there's no reason not to be polite, point out where one sees his logical follies and ask for clarification on what was actually meant. | Jul 28 21:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 21:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 21:30 |
| schestowitz | in this case, apple = copyright = gpl | Jul 28 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Authored by: designerfx on Wednesday, July 28 2010 @ 03:27 PM EDT | Jul 28 21:30 |
| schestowitz | this is a gross oversimplification of the case but it's quite | Jul 28 21:30 |
| schestowitz | accurate. | Jul 28 21:30 |
| schestowitz | it's kinda like how a law against something might really look | Jul 28 21:30 |
| schestowitz | like company x vs company y, it's really about (the issue | Jul 28 21:30 |
| schestowitz | company x is defending) vs the (issue company y is attacking). | Jul 28 21:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 21:30 |
| schestowitz | me: "I still wonder, to what extent can this one case actually stifle copyright to the point where it takes away the GPL's 'teeth'? It would have to take down the whole entertainment industry down with it, no? IANAL." | Jul 28 21:30 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/43948076#notice-44254461 "wow, that's more like a vat and a cauldron than a pot and a kettle!" | Jul 28 22:52 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.44 KB | Jul 28 22:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865143#c865170 | Jul 28 23:46 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Groklaw - Digging for Truth .::. Size~: 16.48 KB | Jul 28 23:46 |
| schestowitz | "I saw it, and the FSF made a right mess of it. There was software in the app store that was licensed under the GPL, you could download it, get the source code, everyone was happy except the FSF. They threatened with court action, and I can very much understand that Apple doesn't feel any obligation to fight for users' rights to use GPL'd software against the FSF, and pulled the application from its store. It's exactly why | Jul 28 23:46 |
| schestowitz | many people are against the DMCA; someone makes a claim of copyright infringement and something is pulled. FSF made the claim of copyright infringement, Apple pulled the software. " | Jul 28 23:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=agreed+in+part&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865058#c865163 | Jul 28 23:46 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Groklaw - Digging for Truth .::. Size~: 14.58 KB | Jul 28 23:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 23:46 |
| schestowitz | For the record, I don't like Apple, I think they make shoddy, overpriced | Jul 28 23:46 |
| schestowitz | hardware and I don't like the way Jobs tries to dictate every little way I am | Jul 28 23:46 |
| schestowitz | allowed to use a device. I think there are serious issues with the doctrine of | Jul 28 23:46 |
| schestowitz | first sale and rights exhaustion that he is violating. | Jul 28 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Still, these are attacks on copyright itself and the right of creators to | Jul 28 23:46 |
| schestowitz | determine how their creations can be distributed. If these succeed think how | Jul 28 23:46 |
| schestowitz | long it will be before MS takes the Linux kernel and wraps it up inside their | Jul 28 23:46 |
| schestowitz | GUI using these cases to justify their actions. For that reason only I am | Jul 28 23:46 |
| schestowitz | supporting Apple in this case. Otherwise I would really like to see them get a | Jul 28 23:46 |
| schestowitz | lesson in the fact that once I purchase a product it is mine to do with as I | Jul 28 23:46 |
| schestowitz | choose and Jobs has absolutely no say in that. | Jul 28 23:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 23:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=This+IS+an+attack+on+the+rights+of+authors&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865179#c865290 | Jul 28 23:47 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Authored by: Imaginos1892 on Wednesday, July 28 2010 @ 05:11 PM EDT | Jul 28 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Y'all keep saying that MacOS X is "like a book"? OK, suppose a publisher sells a certain | Jul 28 23:47 |
| schestowitz | paperback book for $8.00, and sells the same content in a hardcover book for $25.00. Suppose | Jul 28 23:47 |
| schestowitz | you buy that paperback, scan/OCR it, print it out on larger paper, bind it into a hardcover | Jul 28 23:47 |
| schestowitz | book, and sell both it and the original paperback for $18.00. Would you consider that legal, | Jul 28 23:47 |
| schestowitz | ethical, or moral? I wouldn't. Suppose you decide to start a business doing that on a large | Jul 28 23:47 |
| schestowitz | scale. Would you not expect the publisher and author to tell you to stop, and to sue you for | Jul 28 23:47 |
| schestowitz | everything but your skivvies if you refused? I would. | Jul 28 23:47 |
| schestowitz | That pretty much sums up what Pystar is trying to do to Apple. | Jul 28 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Remember that, outside of a contractural relationship with Apple, you do not have any rights | Jul 28 23:47 |
| schestowitz | to MacOS X. None. Nunc. Nada. Zip. Zilch. You do not have any right to buy, sell, copy, use, | Jul 28 23:47 |
| schestowitz | install, or modify it, or even to admire the shiny silver disk. Apple wrote it, Apple owns it, | Jul 28 23:47 |
| schestowitz | and they have the absolute right to sell, lease or license copies to anybody, or nobody, under | Jul 28 23:47 |
| schestowitz | any terms they choose. It is as much Apple's right to refuse to do business with you on terms | Jul 28 23:47 |
| schestowitz | they don't agree with as it is your right to refuse to do business with them for similar reasons. | Jul 28 23:47 |
| schestowitz | You are completely free to resent Apple's licensing terms, and not buy MacOS X. You have no | Jul 28 23:47 |
| schestowitz | right to force Apple to do business with you on terms they reject. How would you feel if they | Jul 28 23:47 |
| schestowitz | got laws passed to force you to do business with them on terms you considered onerous | Jul 28 23:47 |
| schestowitz | and unfair? | Jul 28 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Apple has spent ten years and over a billion dollars creating MacOS X. You have not. Theirs | Jul 28 23:47 |
| schestowitz | is the right to decide what it is worth, not yours. | Jul 28 23:47 |
| schestowitz | ---------------------------------- | Jul 28 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!! | Jul 28 23:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 23:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865250#c865298 | Jul 28 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Authored by: Imaginos1892 on Wednesday, July 28 2010 @ 05:23 PM EDT | Jul 28 23:48 |
| schestowitz | They are utilizing legally purchased copies of OSX.. | Jul 28 23:48 |
| schestowitz | No, they are not. They are using copies purchased under false pretenses, in that they have agreed | Jul 28 23:48 |
| schestowitz | to certain conditions of use which they then proceed to violate. Since they have not fulfilled the terms | Jul 28 23:48 |
| schestowitz | of the agreement, their rights under that agreement are forfeit. | Jul 28 23:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 23:48 |
| schestowitz | So many apologists | Jul 28 23:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=So&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865167#c865252 | Jul 28 23:49 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, July 28 2010 @ 03:43 PM EDT | Jul 28 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Because you don't like Apple's EULA, you support Psystar's campaign to remove | Jul 28 23:49 |
| schestowitz | the rights of software developers, and to permit the appropriation of someone | Jul 28 23:49 |
| schestowitz | else's hard work by any two-bit shyster looking to make a quick buck...? | Jul 28 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Bit short sighted, don't you think? | Jul 28 23:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 23:49 |
| schestowitz | The agitators step in | Jul 28 23:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Defending Larry Flint and his right to publish was not a defense of pornography | Jul 28 23:50 |
| schestowitz | although Mr. Flint's porn business benefited no doubt. The "I know what it | Jul 28 23:50 |
| schestowitz | is when I see it" type laws would also apply to any minority ideals being | Jul 28 23:50 |
| schestowitz | suppressed by majorities. Porn and Publish both start with the same letter; | Jul 28 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Thats about all they have in common yet people with high morals defended both on | Jul 28 23:51 |
| schestowitz | that day in court. | Jul 28 23:51 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 23:51 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 23:51 |
| schestowitz | I hate Apple, because they are a cult, every much a cult as Scientology, | Jul 28 23:52 |
| schestowitz | I think your reality is not my reality. | Jul 28 23:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 23:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 23:52 |
| schestowitz | > if she wants to be an Apple apologist and pick the | Jul 28 23:52 |
| schestowitz | > ethically wrong side (imo) in the Psystar case, that's her | Jul 28 23:52 |
| schestowitz | > prerogative. | Jul 28 23:52 |
| schestowitz | I cannot possibly understand how you could take that position, unless you are on | Jul 28 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Psystar's payroll. | Jul 28 23:53 |
| schestowitz | Apple might be becoming more evil by the day, but they are clearly in the right | Jul 28 23:53 |
| schestowitz | in this case; Psystar committed simple copyright infringement, and have admitted | Jul 28 23:53 |
| schestowitz | as much. the only way they could possibly be in the right is if the copyright | Jul 28 23:53 |
| schestowitz | law were to be repealed - and FOSS relies on that law, so I do not want that to | Jul 28 23:53 |
| schestowitz | happen. | Jul 28 23:53 |
| schestowitz | > However, what this should tell us is that the FLOSS | Jul 28 23:53 |
| schestowitz | > community needs a site other than Groklaw as its legal | Jul 28 23:53 |
| schestowitz | > nexus. | Jul 28 23:53 |
| schestowitz | The Internet is that way ---> Feel free to register a new domain. | Jul 28 23:53 |
| schestowitz | > We need an open site, because it's likely we and PJ will | Jul 28 23:53 |
| schestowitz | > not always be on the same side. | Jul 28 23:53 |
| schestowitz | I frequently disagree with PJ - and we've thrashed stuff out both here and | Jul 28 23:53 |
| schestowitz | off-list. Differing opinions is one thing - but the sort of claims you're coming | Jul 28 23:53 |
| schestowitz | up with amount to no more thatn a personal attack. | Jul 28 23:53 |
| schestowitz | > PJ likes to post articles making arguments for Apple, not | Jul 28 23:53 |
| schestowitz | > Psystar. | Jul 28 23:53 |
| schestowitz | There are no arguments to be made for Psystar. They're wrong. | Jul 28 23:53 |
| schestowitz | > Those of us who know that our interests truly lie with | Jul 28 23:53 |
| schestowitz | > Psystar | Jul 28 23:53 |
| schestowitz | That sounds almost like an admission that you are on their payroll... | Jul 28 23:53 |
| schestowitz | There is *no way* - none at all - that Psystar can benefit FLOSS. They are | Jul 28 23:53 |
| schestowitz | simply a grubby little parasite. They have done nothing but take someone's | Jul 28 23:53 |
| schestowitz | proprietary code and copy it without a licence, to create another proprietary | Jul 28 23:53 |
| schestowitz | machine. They are the bad guys. | Jul 28 23:53 |
| schestowitz | The fact that Apple are decidedly less-than-good makes no difference; they are | Jul 28 23:53 |
| schestowitz | in the right, and they deserve to demolish Psystar. | Jul 28 23:53 |
| schestowitz | > I don't have the answer, here | Jul 28 23:53 |
| schestowitz | You can say that again. | Jul 28 23:53 |
| schestowitz | Vic. | Jul 28 23:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 28 23:53 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Well%2C+no&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865033#c865337 | Jul 29 07:04 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 29 07:04 |
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| schestowitz | Well, no | Jul 29 07:04 |
| schestowitz | Authored by: argee on Wednesday, July 28 2010 @ 07:12 PM EDT | Jul 29 07:04 |
| schestowitz | OS/X or iPhone OS are proprietary software. Belongs to apple. | Jul 29 07:04 |
| schestowitz | If they want you to wear a green cap when you use, they can | Jul 29 07:04 |
| schestowitz | certainly require that in their EULA. | Jul 29 07:04 |
| schestowitz | There *no* software freedom here, it is PROPRIETARY. What | Jul 29 07:04 |
| schestowitz | part don't you get? They can do as they please with it. | Jul 29 07:04 |
| schestowitz | And they are not a monopoly, so that charge cannot be | Jul 29 07:04 |
| schestowitz | leveraged against them like to MS. | Jul 29 07:04 |
| schestowitz | Apple != Linux | Jul 29 07:04 |
| schestowitz | Yes it would be nice if Apple was "open", but they are not. | Jul 29 07:04 |
| schestowitz | They make a nice product, they have a lot of appeal to a | Jul 29 07:04 |
| schestowitz | lot of people. You do not have to use it. Get a PC, | Jul 29 07:04 |
| schestowitz | a Droid or a Linux box if you don't like it. | Jul 29 07:04 |
| schestowitz | What PJ is doing here is defending copyright rights. It | Jul 29 07:04 |
| schestowitz | is those rights that in turn protect the GPL. It is a | Jul 29 07:04 |
| schestowitz | two edged sword: protects the GPL, but also protects | Jul 29 07:04 |
| schestowitz | Apple and its choice of software licensing which is | Jul 29 07:04 |
| schestowitz | most assuredly *not* GPL. | Jul 29 07:04 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 29 07:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Well%2C+no&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865337#c865423 | Jul 29 07:05 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jul 29 07:05 |
| schestowitz | Well, no | Jul 29 07:05 |
| schestowitz | Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, July 29 2010 @ 12:20 AM EDT | Jul 29 07:05 |
| schestowitz | You missed the point and in return inadvertently restated it | Jul 29 07:05 |
| schestowitz | for him. | Jul 29 07:05 |
| schestowitz | When we speak in favor of Apple, and when we champion their | Jul 29 07:05 |
| schestowitz | causes, we give them brand recognition and may convey the | Jul 29 07:05 |
| schestowitz | sense that Apple is a company people approve of. They are | Jul 29 07:05 |
| schestowitz | not, in general. | Jul 29 07:05 |
| schestowitz | While they may not be a monopoly in the literal sense, they | Jul 29 07:05 |
| schestowitz | do command an major market share in the arenas they | Jul 29 07:05 |
| schestowitz | participate in, and they enjoy almost unparalleled free | Jul 29 07:05 |
| schestowitz | publicity through journalism and news reporting. | Jul 29 07:05 |
| schestowitz | The dirty underbelly though is seldom seen and for that | Jul 29 07:05 |
| schestowitz | reason alone we should be ready to remind people that this | Jul 29 07:05 |
| schestowitz | is a company that launches frivolous lawsuits to stall for | Jul 29 07:05 |
| schestowitz | time, that has tried to silence legitimate journalism and | Jul 29 07:05 |
| schestowitz | censor the press, that has in at least one case engaged what | Jul 29 07:05 |
| schestowitz | amounts to a personal army of police to illegally seize and | Jul 29 07:05 |
| schestowitz | censure a private citizens property without basis. | Jul 29 07:05 |
| schestowitz | This is a company that restricts its customers to a greater | Jul 29 07:05 |
| schestowitz | degree than Microsoft ever did, with labyrinthine EULA's. A | Jul 29 07:05 |
| schestowitz | company that has changed it's license agreements for no | Jul 29 07:05 |
| schestowitz | purpose other than to deny legitimate competition on the | Jul 29 07:05 |
| schestowitz | application front. | Jul 29 07:06 |
| schestowitz | This is a company that has an absolute disregard and | Jul 29 07:06 |
| schestowitz | arrogance towards its customers. | Jul 29 07:06 |
| schestowitz | This is a company that deserves no respect on the moral and | Jul 29 07:06 |
| schestowitz | ethical fronts. | Jul 29 07:06 |
| schestowitz | No, Apple is not open. It is not friendly, if anything, the | Jul 29 07:06 |
| schestowitz | opposite is true. By promoting them as anything but what | Jul 29 07:06 |
| schestowitz | they are, we obscure this fact, and in turn, misrepresent | Jul 29 07:06 |
| schestowitz | the company that Apple is. | Jul 29 07:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 29 07:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 29 07:06 |
| schestowitz | I support Apple's case against Pystar. I also support Groklaw's many brains, which I think can focus more on subjects that the FSF is too understaffed to handle; let Apple's army of lawyers fight Pystar. | Jul 29 07:06 |
| schestowitz | Well, as I recall, such was PJ's original take as well. But there was a *lot* of popular demand that she comment (as in PJ comments requiring thought) specifically upon this case. And you know how problems are, once one sinks one's teeth into them. | Jul 29 07:06 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jul 29 07:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 29 07:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865177#c865427 | Jul 29 07:08 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jul 29 07:08 |
| schestowitz | Do they? I don't find the iPhone, in any of it's | Jul 29 07:08 |
| schestowitz | incarnations, particular innovative or appealing. That | Jul 29 07:08 |
| schestowitz | doesn't stop the endless slew of media reports about each | Jul 29 07:08 |
| schestowitz | phone, and the iPad, up to each devices release and after. | Jul 29 07:08 |
| schestowitz | There must be thousands of individual news articles written | Jul 29 07:08 |
| schestowitz | about each of these devices from nothing more than a | Jul 29 07:08 |
| schestowitz | sensationalist perspecitve, prior to their release. What | Jul 29 07:08 |
| schestowitz | other company receives so much free positive publicity | Jul 29 07:08 |
| schestowitz | leading up to launch than Apple? | Jul 29 07:08 |
| schestowitz | But are the products themselves really that good? From a | Jul 29 07:08 |
| schestowitz | technical stand point... no, not really. Are they more | Jul 29 07:08 |
| schestowitz | ergonomically friendly? No. The iPad without an additional | Jul 29 07:08 |
| schestowitz | stand is too heavy to safely hold for extended periods in | Jul 29 07:08 |
| schestowitz | the grip that is generally required to use it. Are they | Jul 29 07:08 |
| schestowitz | technologically more innovative? No. There are smart phones | Jul 29 07:08 |
| schestowitz | on the market that have better hardware than the iPhone | Jul 29 07:08 |
| schestowitz | series. Do they foster innovation, creativity, and the | Jul 29 07:08 |
| schestowitz | progress of the useful sciences? No. In fact, they stifle | Jul 29 07:08 |
| schestowitz | this. They censor the commons. Did you know that the YouTube | Jul 29 07:08 |
| schestowitz | app on the iPhone returns filtered results specifically to | Jul 29 07:08 |
| schestowitz | push iTunes sales? Try doing a search for the official video | Jul 29 07:08 |
| schestowitz | of "Cry Me a River" by Michael Buble. On Youtube, it is one | Jul 29 07:09 |
| schestowitz | of the top results. On the iPhone Youtube app it doesn't | Jul 29 07:09 |
| schestowitz | show at all even if you include "official video" in the | Jul 29 07:09 |
| schestowitz | search text. Apps have been pulled from the app store on no | Jul 29 07:09 |
| schestowitz | other basis than that Apple doesn't want you to have that | Jul 29 07:09 |
| schestowitz | kind of app on YOUR phone. | Jul 29 07:09 |
| schestowitz | Apple is a company that calls video chat an innovation for | Jul 29 07:09 |
| schestowitz | the ages. A company that has a huge disregard for their | Jul 29 07:09 |
| schestowitz | users. A company that thrives really not because of the | Jul 29 07:09 |
| schestowitz | devices they produce but their command and control of public | Jul 29 07:09 |
| schestowitz | perception of those devices and the whoring of the | Jul 29 07:09 |
| schestowitz | mainstream media to promote those perceptions. | Jul 29 07:09 |
| schestowitz | And as we all know, perception and reality are two very | Jul 29 07:09 |
| schestowitz | different things. | Jul 29 07:09 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 29 07:09 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 29 07:09 |
| schestowitz | it's complicated, and I get it mixed up all the time. go read | Jul 29 07:09 |
| schestowitz | the old psystar stuff to explain it. It is a complex concept | Jul 29 07:09 |
| schestowitz | to wrap your head around. | Jul 29 07:09 |
| schestowitz | please don't take this as an insult. I just think it's hard | Jul 29 07:09 |
| schestowitz | enough to explain that I wouldn't be able to explain it to you | Jul 29 07:09 |
| schestowitz | properly. | Jul 29 07:09 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 29 07:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=here%2C+lemme+help+with+that...&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865356#c865406 | Jul 29 07:10 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jul 29 07:10 |
| schestowitz | Please re-read that one carefully. By developing and marketing an "integrated product" -- hardware and software tied together -- Apple is continuing to follow the same proprietary business model used by, and accepted by the courts, every one from IBM to Boroughs, Sperry Univac, Data General, Prime, Tandem, Digital Equipment, Sequent, NEC, Convex, Masscomp, Cray, Hewlett-Packard, Motorola, Apple, and a raft of others. | Jul 29 07:10 |
| schestowitz | Outside of (b) above and Pystar's related anti-trust claim that was rejected by the court (in which case the IBM/Amdahl case might have applied but it doesn't), this is a model that has been used since the early daze of the computer industry, going back at least fifty years. Businesses have relied upon this particular accepted protection of the copyright law. | Jul 29 07:10 |
| schestowitz | Now Pystar comes along and asks the courts to narrowly redefine "copyright misuse" to include refusal to sell software, otherwise available for sale linked to a hardware purchase, at reasonable and non-discriminatory rates to all comers. Well guess what -- we have seen more than just several companies who would like the exact same (exact to the extent that I'm not a lawyer) redefinition of "copyright misuse" applied to | Jul 29 07:10 |
| schestowitz | software otherwise available under conditions of the GPL or other 0wnerous licenses. So that a proprietary company should be allowed to license e.g. BusyBox or OpenOffice or Firefox or Linux kernel with all its cool file systems, HPC scalability, and enterprise hardiness under traditional (i.e. proprietary) RAND conditions as well. | Jul 29 07:10 |
| schestowitz | And oh by the way, this rule change is to be made twenty years after folks started building this Free Software ball of wax, and will be retroactive. Natch. | Jul 29 07:10 |
| schestowitz | Talking about requesting "Legislation from the Bench. If Congress in their collective wisdom were to amend the copyright laws to reflect such a change, how long does one suppose it would take the courts to reject it on Constitutional grounds? | Jul 29 07:10 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jul 29 07:10 |
| schestowitz | One can hope they would. An Apple victory over Pystar would at least provide a useful precedent. | Jul 29 07:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 29 07:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Google+Code&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=864998#c865338 | Jul 29 07:11 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jul 29 07:11 |
| schestowitz | might be another reason for the recent animosity between Google | Jul 29 07:11 |
| schestowitz | and Apple. You can freely download from a Google code page | Jul 29 07:11 |
| schestowitz | a "Netbook Maker" which will modify a USB stick cloned MacOS | Jul 29 07:11 |
| schestowitz | installer with the necessary bootloader and patched kernel extensions. | Jul 29 07:11 |
| schestowitz | The Google page has a Wiki, bug reporting, all the usual, and a | Jul 29 07:11 |
| schestowitz | "Netbook Installer" which patches Apple's kernel for unsupported | Jul 29 07:11 |
| schestowitz | cpus. Heh, "About this Mac" reads Macbook Air on an Aspire One. | Jul 29 07:11 |
| schestowitz | I won't post the link here, you can find it easy from the description | Jul 29 07:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 29 07:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 29 07:15 |
| schestowitz | Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, July 28 2010 @ 08:09 PM EDT | Jul 29 07:15 |
| schestowitz | You may be disappointed that other people are willing to defend against | Jul 29 07:15 |
| schestowitz | injustices they see, regardless of how well off or not they think the victim is, | Jul 29 07:15 |
| schestowitz | but I find it encouraging. Your argument seems to be that we only have a limited | Jul 29 07:15 |
| schestowitz | amount of energy to do good, so we should husband it. I tend to think instead | Jul 29 07:15 |
| schestowitz | that energy expended doing good is never wasted, but instead will often be | Jul 29 07:15 |
| schestowitz | returned in greater amounts to continue forward even more strongly. | Jul 29 07:15 |
| schestowitz | Your ample history of internet postings shows a rather one-sided negative | Jul 29 07:15 |
| schestowitz | attitude against whole organizations and corporations over a few alleged | Jul 29 07:15 |
| schestowitz | sleights. What you should realize is that these entities are made up of many | Jul 29 07:15 |
| schestowitz | individuals, and the "character" of the entities is neither as | Jul 29 07:15 |
| schestowitz | one-dimensional nor as static as you seem to believe. Entities can and do change | Jul 29 07:15 |
| schestowitz | over time. FOSS will be better served by growing a diverse community of | Jul 29 07:15 |
| schestowitz | supporters rather than shrinking it down to only a small number of ideological | Jul 29 07:15 |
| schestowitz | purists. | Jul 29 07:15 |
| schestowitz | I think FOSS is best advanced by allowing it to show its benefits in fair and | Jul 29 07:16 |
| schestowitz | open comparisons against alternatives, including proprietary solutions. That | Jul 29 07:16 |
| schestowitz | allows competition to drive advancements for everyone's benefit. Proprietary | Jul 29 07:16 |
| schestowitz | approaches are not evil per se. What is evil are attempts to stifle fair | Jul 29 07:16 |
| schestowitz | competition and/or unfairly withhold the rewards of hard work from the people | Jul 29 07:16 |
| schestowitz | who have earned it. Not defending against such dishonest behavior ultimately | Jul 29 07:16 |
| schestowitz | hurts everyone. | Jul 29 07:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 29 07:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 29 07:16 |
| schestowitz | Well, I was disappointed too, but I'm realizing that PsyStar really is wrong | Jul 29 07:16 |
| schestowitz | about this. | Jul 29 07:16 |
| schestowitz | They could do something like this as an integrator for Microsoft, because | Jul 29 07:16 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft sets the rules in their game up that way. (Not sure how much trouble | Jul 29 07:16 |
| schestowitz | they'd make for themselves by doing it without a contract with Microsoft.) | Jul 29 07:17 |
| schestowitz | Apple chose a different route. | Jul 29 07:17 |
| schestowitz | When Apple controls over 50% of the general market, that's the time to start | Jul 29 07:17 |
| schestowitz | fussing about their attempts to control their part of the market. | Jul 29 07:17 |
| schestowitz | In the meantime, many of us here use Fedora and Ubuntu and openBSD, etc. | Jul 29 07:17 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 29 07:17 |
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| MinceR | until now i didn't realize that the kde4 panel when autohidden does actually take away a significant clickable screen area | Jul 29 10:11 |
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| schestowitz | I need status bars | Jul 29 13:14 |
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| MinceR | here i have a small always-visible panel and a bigger autohiding one | Jul 29 13:29 |
| schestowitz | That's what I did in 2006-2008 | Jul 29 13:41 |
| schestowitz | FOr IRC and mail alerts | Jul 29 13:41 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 29 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Hmm... why did I ever stop it...? | Jul 29 13:42 |
| *schestowitz getting busy | Jul 29 13:42 | |
| schestowitz | side panell... | Jul 29 13:43 |
| schestowitz | *nel.. | Jul 29 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Nice...! | Jul 29 13:50 |
| schestowitz | I wish I had done this earlier | Jul 29 13:50 |
| schestowitz | brb | Jul 29 13:56 |
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| schestowitz | I go for K.I.S.S. | Jul 29 13:58 |
| schestowitz | I have just left all channels, except 3 (the techrights ones) | Jul 29 13:58 |
| schestowitz | Reducing distraction this way | Jul 29 13:58 |
| MinceR | i'm on 57 channels, including &bitlbee | Jul 29 14:06 |
| schestowitz | No slowdown? | Jul 29 14:10 |
| schestowitz | IIRC you run it on a server | Jul 29 14:10 |
| MinceR | no slowdown, afaict | Jul 29 14:10 |
| schestowitz | In my case there was RAM bloat from channels like #ubuntu | Jul 29 14:10 |
| schestowitz | screen buffer 5000 lines | Jul 29 14:10 |
| MinceR | i never stayed on #ubuntu for long because it was all noise and no content | Jul 29 14:10 |
| schestowitz | I also sort of quit USENET | Jul 29 14:10 |
| schestowitz | I think permanently | Jul 29 14:11 |
| MinceR | 150354 scrollback_lines = 500 | Jul 29 14:11 |
| schestowitz | It's dying because ISPs and Hollywood help it die | Jul 29 14:11 |
| schestowitz | [14:10] <MinceR> i never stayed on #ubuntu for long because it was all noise and no content | Jul 29 14:11 |
| MinceR | by the time i found usenet it was already mostly spam so i never joined | Jul 29 14:11 |
| schestowitz | It's n00bs | Jul 29 14:11 |
| MinceR | exactly | Jul 29 14:11 |
| schestowitz | People who know neither netiquette nor Linux | Jul 29 14:11 |
| MinceR | nor ubuntu | Jul 29 14:11 |
| schestowitz | They open the xchat thingie and ask questions, then vanish | Jul 29 14:12 |
| MinceR | none of the questions i asked were ever answered in any way | Jul 29 14:12 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: cause the experts don't hang out there | Jul 29 14:12 |
| schestowitz | it's n00bs4noobs | Jul 29 14:12 |
| schestowitz | USENET has such newsgroups too | Jul 29 14:12 |
| schestowitz | Hit and run posters | Jul 29 14:12 |
| schestowitz | From Google Groups usually | Jul 29 14:12 |
| schestowitz | Pointless at best | Jul 29 14:12 |
| MinceR | hit and run, like yuhong? | Jul 29 14:12 |
| schestowitz | No | Jul 29 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Worse | Jul 29 14:13 |
| schestowitz | At least he comes back | Jul 29 14:13 |
| MinceR | i wish he didn't | Jul 29 14:13 |
| MinceR | he just keeps doing the same shit over and over | Jul 29 14:13 |
| schestowitz | For 2 years now | Jul 29 14:13 |
| schestowitz | We had him banned at the start | Jul 29 14:14 |
| schestowitz | Not me | Jul 29 14:14 |
| schestowitz | Slated banned him | Jul 29 14:14 |
| schestowitz | Cause he did "buzz marketing" for Vista (so Slated said) | Jul 29 14:14 |
| MinceR | sounds entirely plausible | Jul 29 14:14 |
| MinceR | and when it isn't "buzz marketing", it's just drive-by trolling | Jul 29 14:14 |
| schestowitz | I would not go that far{tm} | Jul 29 14:15 |
| MinceR | i did | Jul 29 14:15 |
| schestowitz | I would not go that far{tm} | Jul 29 14:15 |
| *schestowitz leaves | Jul 29 14:15 | |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 29 14:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.fsdaily.com/Opposition/Presentation_Slides_Threats_to_Software_Freedom huh? | Jul 29 14:35 |
| schestowitz | "I'm surprised to see this coming from techrights.org. Somebody's clearly been doing some thinking. Whereas I usually ignore posts from techrights, this presentation is worth the time it takes to go through it. The slides by themselves are points to talk to... so I expect the meat of the presentation isn't represented by the slides. But it's still worthwhile to read though. Hopefully this marks a change in quality of stories | Jul 29 14:35 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Presentation Slides: Threats to Software Freedom | fsdaily.com - Free Software News .::. Size~: 30.72 KB | Jul 29 14:35 |
| schestowitz | coming from techrights." | Jul 29 14:35 |
| schestowitz | Do they think I'm harsh? | Jul 29 14:35 |
| schestowitz | I think techdirt had the same perception issue | Jul 29 14:35 |
| schestowitz | They are dismissive cause they assume I just rant | Jul 29 14:39 |
| oiaohm | Ok schestowitz video footage might be shot but is audio ok? schestowitz | Jul 29 14:44 |
| oiaohm | Ie remake job use the slides for the video part | Jul 29 14:45 |
| schestowitz | audio too poor | Jul 29 14:47 |
| oiaohm | Bugger | Jul 29 14:48 |
| oiaohm | There is one nightmare option. Reinactment. | Jul 29 14:48 |
| oiaohm | Really those slides are almost the mission statement of techrights and boycottnovell before it. | Jul 29 14:50 |
| schestowitz | http://royaldutchshellplc.com/2010/07/23/technician-deepwater-horizon-warning-system-disabled/ | Jul 29 14:59 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Technician: Deepwater Horizon warning system disabled Royal Dutch Shell plc .com .::. Size~: 82.16 KB | Jul 29 14:59 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: not necessarily | Jul 29 15:00 |
| schestowitz | In any case, it's easy for me to talk for hours about these points if I do so in the future | Jul 29 15:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.muktware.com/news/25/2010/247 | Jul 29 15:05 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Dell Is Dropping Linux! | Muktware .::. Size~: 16.29 KB | Jul 29 15:05 |
| schestowitz | NOT | Jul 29 15:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9179766/Google_patches_Chrome_sidesteps_Windows_kernel_bug | Jul 29 15:10 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Google patches Chrome, sidesteps Windows kernel bug - Computerworld .::. Size~: 75.61 KB | Jul 29 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Heh | Jul 29 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Gotta love it | Jul 29 15:10 |
| schestowitz | They treat Windows like this | Jul 29 15:10 |
| MinceR | they know it's never going to be fixed :> | Jul 29 15:11 |
| schestowitz | CNET still posts bollox http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20011582-64.html | Jul 29 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | Resurrection+Heaven story imperative for religion too | Jul 29 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | Do you know any proxy? | Jul 29 16:08 |
| schestowitz | > That's good, but I was thinking about a transparent end-to-end | Jul 29 16:08 |
| schestowitz | > solution. Using SSH and port forwarding ? | Jul 29 16:08 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 29 16:08 |
| schestowitz | > Why does this say http://schestowitz.com/proxy/ is in Belfast? | Jul 29 16:08 |
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| schestowitz | > | Jul 29 16:08 |
| schestowitz | > 0Your internal IP:unknown | Jul 29 16:08 |
| schestowitz | > 1Your exernal IP:84.18.207.66United Kingdom, Belfast | Jul 29 16:08 |
| schestowitz | > →This server:64.5.53.204United States, Houston | Jul 29 16:08 |
| MinceR | http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2010/07/wikileaks-to-leak-5000-open-source-java.html | Jul 29 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/07/116_70215.html | Jul 29 19:17 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/44051337#notice-44359670 | Jul 29 19:21 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz Yep, will update you when I am around." | Jul 29 19:22 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.1 KB | Jul 29 19:22 |
| schestowitz | I guess I'll get to speak to Red Hat. | Jul 29 19:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.straightstocks.com/market-commentary/the-recession%E2%80%99s-over-%E2%80%93-pass-it-on-%E2%80%A6/ | Jul 29 19:22 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The recession’s over – pass it on … | Stock Market News & Stocks to Watch from StraightStocks .::. Size~: 33.86 KB | Jul 29 19:22 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/44051937#notice-44361095 "@schestowitz In !Canada the politicians are pretending the recession is over." | Jul 29 19:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/44054473#notice-44363550 | Jul 29 19:39 |
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| schestowitz | "@schestowitz Made me rofl. And I don't often REALLY rofl :D" | Jul 29 19:39 |
| schestowitz | @laurelrusswurm AFAIK (I look at national debts worldwide in 2008), .CA is doing quite OK (maybe not per capita) compared to .UK | Jul 29 19:39 |
| schestowitz | "Eecession" jokes | Jul 29 19:39 |
| schestowitz | *Re | Jul 29 19:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=One+more+thing&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865518#c865526 | Jul 29 20:21 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Groklaw - Digging for Truth .::. Size~: 15.27 KB | Jul 29 20:21 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 29 20:21 |
| schestowitz | If you bought the iMac with 10.5, then first sale doctrine allows you to sell exactly what you bought, that is the iMac with 10.5. If you bought the iMac with 10.4, then bought 10.5 and upgraded it, then the first sale doctrine does _not_ allow you to sell the iMac. That's why Apple put it into the EULA. | Jul 29 20:21 |
| schestowitz | The customers that Apple is after is people like you buying the hardware, not people buying the OS. So while Apple _could_ prevent you from selling an upgraded iMac, it is not in their interest to do this, because you are one of their valued computer customers, and they want to keep their valued computer customers happy. Such a move would also reduce the value of MacOS X to their valued customers, without really benefiting | Jul 29 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Apple in any way. | Jul 29 20:21 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 29 20:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Let%27s+rephrase+it%2C+then...&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865257#c865499 | Jul 29 20:21 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jul 29 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Authored by: msfisher on Thursday, July 29 2010 @ 09:11 AM EDT | Jul 29 20:21 |
| schestowitz | If you wish to USE Apple's software, Apple FORCES you to purchase their | Jul 29 20:21 |
| schestowitz | hardware. | Jul 29 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Conversely, Apple SELLS you the hardware then (apparently) FORCES you to use it | Jul 29 20:21 |
| schestowitz | the way they want by FORCING you to use their software and services (I honestly | Jul 29 20:21 |
| schestowitz | don't know if a non-Apple OS can even be loaded on a Mac). | Jul 29 20:21 |
| schestowitz | As much as I dislike what Psystar doing, the FORCE part is what I cannot abide | Jul 29 20:21 |
| schestowitz | and am surprised that others here appear willing to accept. Two wrongs should | Jul 29 20:21 |
| schestowitz | not make a right. | Jul 29 20:21 |
| schestowitz | No one here wishes for Apple to undertake Microsoft's business MODEL, but in | Jul 29 20:21 |
| schestowitz | many ways they have already taken on MS's business ATTITUDES: CONTROL, CONTROL, | Jul 29 20:21 |
| schestowitz | CONTROL. MS does it in software with questionable licensing deals and | Jul 29 20:21 |
| schestowitz | structures and patent threats; Apple does it in hardware AND software through | Jul 29 20:21 |
| schestowitz | EULA's, copyright and firmware. Same attitude, different methods. | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | I suppose, in theory, there actually could be an antitrust suit against Apple, | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | citing vertical monopoly (control of every stage in production and use of a | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | particular product) rather than the horizontal one (control of unwonted amount | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | of market share across products) Microsoft enjoys. In both cases competition is | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | "boxed out". No one can compete with Apple for Apple-compatible | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | products because Apple controls every step of the process, including post-sale. | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Great for Apple, very bad for competition. | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | That said, I do feel that Apple has consistently missed the opportunity for | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | profits from licensing their software on non-Apple hardware. I realize that | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | would end Apple's Apple-compatible hardware exclusivity and likely force Apple | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | to reduce prices, but profits would still be made from software licensing. | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | There are other licensing models than the one used by Microsoft; there's no | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | reason that Apple could not craft its own and profit by it. In fact, they | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | already have. The problem I have is that the licensing model is coupled to the | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | concept of "Apple Hardware Only". Personally, I'd love to try out | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | OSX, but I don't have the money to purchase an Apple system just to try out an | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | OS I may or may not like. However, I might have the funds to purchase/license a | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | copy of OSX to try out on one of my systems. | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | But I don't have that choice, do I? And isn't so much of what is discussed here | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | on Groklaw about CHOICE? | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | "Conversely, Apple SELLS you the hardware then (apparently) FORCES you to | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | use it the way they want by FORCING you to use their software and services (I | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | honestly don't know if a non-Apple OS can even be loaded on a Mac)." | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | I do it every other day. | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Actually, Linus was renowned for a time to develop the Linux kernel on Apple | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | hardware, running Linux. | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Rob | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=The+GPL+takes+ABSOLUTELY+NO+end-user+rights+AWAY&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=865576#c865582 | Jul 29 20:22 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jul 29 20:23 |
| schestowitz | OS/X or iPhone OS are proprietary software. Belongs to apple. | Jul 29 20:23 |
| schestowitz | If they want you to wear a green cap when you use, they can | Jul 29 20:23 |
| schestowitz | certainly require that in their EULA. | Jul 29 20:23 |
| schestowitz | There *no* software freedom here, it is PROPRIETARY. What | Jul 29 20:23 |
| schestowitz | part don't you get? They can do as they please with it. | Jul 29 20:23 |
| schestowitz | And they are not a monopoly, so that charge cannot be | Jul 29 20:23 |
| schestowitz | leveraged against them like to MS. | Jul 29 20:23 |
| schestowitz | Apple != Linux | Jul 29 20:23 |
| schestowitz | Yes it would be nice if Apple was "open", but they are not. | Jul 29 20:23 |
| schestowitz | They make a nice product, they have a lot of appeal to a | Jul 29 20:23 |
| schestowitz | lot of people. You do not have to use it. Get a PC, | Jul 29 20:23 |
| schestowitz | a Droid or a Linux box if you don't like it. | Jul 29 20:23 |
| schestowitz | What PJ is doing here is defending copyright rights. It | Jul 29 20:23 |
| schestowitz | is those rights that in turn protect the GPL. It is a | Jul 29 20:23 |
| schestowitz | two edged sword: protects the GPL, but also protects | Jul 29 20:23 |
| schestowitz | Apple and its choice of software licensing which is | Jul 29 20:23 |
| schestowitz | most assuredly *not* GPL. | Jul 29 20:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 29 20:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=I+agree+with+you&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=864998#c865495 | Jul 29 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jul 29 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Authored by: reiisi on Wednesday, July 28 2010 @ 10:07 PM EDT | Jul 29 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Well, I was disappointed too, but I'm realizing that PsyStar really is wrong | Jul 29 20:25 |
| schestowitz | about this. | Jul 29 20:25 |
| schestowitz | They could do something like this as an integrator for Microsoft, because | Jul 29 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft sets the rules in their game up that way. (Not sure how much trouble | Jul 29 20:25 |
| schestowitz | they'd make for themselves by doing it without a contract with Microsoft.) | Jul 29 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Apple chose a different route. | Jul 29 20:25 |
| schestowitz | When Apple controls over 50% of the general market, that's the time to start | Jul 29 20:25 |
| schestowitz | fussing about their attempts to control their part of the market. | Jul 29 20:25 |
| schestowitz | In the meantime, many of us here use Fedora and Ubuntu and openBSD, etc. | Jul 29 20:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 29 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Last comment agreed with me: | Jul 29 20:26 |
| schestowitz | I agree with you | Jul 29 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, July 29 2010 @ 08:42 AM EDT | Jul 29 20:26 |
| schestowitz | There is no "good guy" in this lawsuit. Two evil companies are battling it out. | Jul 29 20:26 |
| schestowitz | The law is probably on Apple's side. If so, Apple certainly has enough smart lawyers to put its case; it doesn't need our help. The only possible relevance to Free Software is that the final result may add to the body of legal precedent in copyright law. Since only the final result has any relevance, we may as well wait, in my opinion, for that final result (after all appeals) before paying any attention at all. | Jul 29 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Any "cheerleading" - for either side - seems inappropriate for a website that made its name in advocacy for Free Software. | Jul 29 20:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=864998#c865403 | Jul 29 20:26 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100727160332817&title=Defending+Apple&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=864998#c865403 | Jul 29 21:11 |
| schestowitz | [21:10] <nsisodiya> hi, how you liked my satire on patent. I think it is a nicely written blog post | Jul 29 21:11 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Groklaw - Digging for Truth .::. Size~: 68.07 KB | Jul 29 21:11 |
| schestowitz | [21:10] <nsisodiya> you may consider to reblog or tweet | Jul 29 21:11 |
| schestowitz | [21:11] <schestowitz> I just did that in my drafts | Jul 29 21:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/Gaza_Lap_Of_Luxury | Jul 29 22:34 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: "Big Shopping Malls" and "No Humanitarian Crisis in Gaza" | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 43.6 KB | Jul 29 22:34 |
| schestowitz | "The United States is far and away the world's leader in military spending. In 2009, America spent over $663 billion on defense. That massive amount equals 4.3% of our 2008 Gross Domestic Product (GDP). That number is sure to grow next year. " | Jul 29 22:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/9307 | Jul 29 22:35 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Get Serious About The Deficit and Cut Military Spending | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 27.65 KB | Jul 29 22:36 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz I realize it could be worse, but it isn't better either. Pretending things are rosy when not makes for bad public policy" http://identi.ca/conversation/44055862#notice-44381163 | Jul 29 22:58 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.28 KB | Jul 29 22:58 |
| schestowitz | It merely procrastinates one's breakdown, hopefully until next term when another party takes power | Jul 29 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Like Obama-Bush | Jul 29 22:58 |
| schestowitz | see how Bush et al. point fingers at Obama over bailout (Bush's idea) and huge deficit (Bush's fault) | Jul 29 23:00 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/44073559#notice-44382572 "we need electoral reform badly; fortunately we have minority government which plays out as close to democracy as we can get" | Jul 29 23:22 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.27 KB | Jul 29 23:22 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/44073659#notice-44382671 " politicians excel at the blame game... the world would be a better place if they'd take responsibility for their own actions" | Jul 29 23:23 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.27 KB | Jul 29 23:23 |
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| oiaohm | Hey schestowitz you have a opps. "http://techrights.org/2010/07/29/marginalizing-android-or-gnu-linux/ " You have put my name on one of Wildeboer quotes | Jul 30 00:59 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Fedoras Wildeboer Says Microsoft Uses Intel-Like Illegal Tactics to Marginalise Competition | Techrights .::. Size~: 103.1 KB | Jul 30 00:59 |
| oiaohm | Yes did tell you something like that but those words are not mine. | Jul 30 00:59 |
| oiaohm | And Jan will have my hide over it at some point if it not corrected. | Jul 30 01:00 |
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| schestowitz | oops | Jul 30 06:48 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: fixed | Jul 30 06:48 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/07/29/marginalizing-android-or-gnu-linux/#comment-95911 | Jul 30 06:49 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Fedoras Wildeboer Says Microsoft Uses Intel-Like Illegal Tactics to Marginalise Competition | Techrights .::. Size~: 104.77 KB | Jul 30 06:49 |
| oiaohm | For how much you write you have a very low bug number schestowitz | Jul 30 06:50 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: you're in my template for blockquote ;-) | Jul 30 06:50 |
| schestowitz | So by default they are all attributed to you | Jul 30 06:50 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: thanks, I do proofread to ensure I don't make mistakes | Jul 30 06:50 |
| oiaohm | Very bad habit schestowitz | Jul 30 06:51 |
| oiaohm | Change template to annomous or something else harmless. | Jul 30 06:51 |
| schestowitz | I know, I'm changing it to blank | Jul 30 06:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/27/egyptian-policemen-trial-khaled-said | Jul 30 06:54 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Egyptian policemen go on trial over death of activist Khaled Said | World news | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 64.57 KB | Jul 30 06:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/25/burma-india-tour-than-shwe | Jul 30 07:28 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Burma junta leader begins controversial five-day tour of India | World news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 66.88 KB | Jul 30 07:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/26/iran-stoning-case-lawyers-relatives-arrested | Jul 30 07:30 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Iran stoning case lawyer Mohammad Mostafaei's relatives arrested | World news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 68.23 KB | Jul 30 07:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/27/afghanistan-rocket-missile-villagers-helmand | Jul 30 07:35 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Helmand residents accuse Nato of deliberate attack on civilians | World news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 72.74 KB | Jul 30 07:35 |
| schestowitz | Strong opinion: http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2010/07/23/software-and-ethics/#comment-28802 | Jul 30 09:47 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Techrights .::. Size~: 31.77 KB | Jul 30 09:47 |
| schestowitz | "No, Roy, don’t you dare do it! Google also creates and supports proprietary software. You wouldn’t take a job running an orphanage for Hitler, would you? No. Then why would you get in bed with Google? Stay with Techrights and help defend our freedom. This is your legacy, your destiny, your existence. God bless you." | Jul 30 09:47 |
| oiaohm | I guess you have been effective and checked all your other templates for equal errors. schestowitz | Jul 30 09:51 |
| schestowitz | No need.... | Jul 30 09:52 |
| oiaohm | Old rule if you made a mistake once there are odds you have done it twice. | Jul 30 09:52 |
| schestowitz | It's the only one with a name | Jul 30 09:52 |
| oiaohm | I was not just including website. | Jul 30 09:52 |
| oiaohm | Really I should do up a book of sayings that I use. | Jul 30 09:53 |
| schestowitz | I think I screwed up | Jul 30 10:27 |
| schestowitz | I upgraded WordPress with plugins still on | Jul 30 10:28 |
| schestowitz | Now when I try to access panel it urges to upgrade DB | Jul 30 10:28 |
| schestowitz | And when I click on it to go on it sort of does nothing, unless it's still working on upgrading the massive database in the background??? | Jul 30 10:28 |
| schestowitz | Did you upgrade a WordPress install recently? (manually) | Jul 30 10:29 |
| schestowitz | I'll /join #wordpress | Jul 30 10:31 |
| schestowitz | [10:32] <schestowitz> Hi. I have a quick question. When I hit "Upgrade WordPress Database" in upgrade.php what is supposed to happen? What I then get is just a page with the WordPress logo and nothing else. | Jul 30 10:42 |
| schestowitz | I guess I'll need to wait for tessier | Jul 30 10:42 |
| schestowitz | Need to roll back the DB | Jul 30 10:43 |
| schestowitz | I ought to have waited for him to be around before upgrading | Jul 30 10:44 |
| schestowitz | At least the site still serves all the pages | Jul 30 10:44 |
| schestowitz | Let's try a trick...... | Jul 30 10:54 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: is this not the second time you have done something this foolish with wordpress upgrade. | Jul 30 11:00 |
| oiaohm | I would not recommend trying for a thrid. | Jul 30 11:01 |
| schestowitz | No, but it's because I have an unusual case | Jul 30 11:01 |
| schestowitz | Some plugin I can't disable | Jul 30 11:01 |
| schestowitz | As that would mess up comment threading | Jul 30 11:01 |
| schestowitz | Long story... | Jul 30 11:01 |
| oiaohm | Remember I told you a long time back you should set up a clone. | Jul 30 11:01 |
| oiaohm | Basically same setting running locally in xamp or equal. | Jul 30 11:02 |
| oiaohm | This way you don't risk the main site. | Jul 30 11:02 |
| oiaohm | Basically twice now you have got away with it schestowitz | Jul 30 11:03 |
| schestowitz | It's no big issue | Jul 30 11:04 |
| schestowitz | I also have backups | Jul 30 11:04 |
| schestowitz | I step back to previous version now | Jul 30 11:07 |
| schestowitz | Let's see if I can re-attempt | Jul 30 11:07 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmm.. | Jul 30 11:13 |
| schestowitz | Even with almost all plugins disabled I still have the same issue | Jul 30 11:13 |
| schestowitz | Let me try disabling ALL of them | Jul 30 11:13 |
| schestowitz | Disabling plugins also has the effect of making pages look funny (so don't think I messed something up) | Jul 30 11:14 |
| oiaohm | This is why I like doing this kind of stuff with the off line copy. | Jul 30 11:14 |
| oiaohm | Ie if you know in advance you can post a message a few days ahead with what is going to happen and why so not supprising anyone. | Jul 30 11:15 |
| schestowitz | I know, but I don't have a second server | Jul 30 11:20 |
| schestowitz | And setting up LAMP here ain't worth it. It's not like an online business. | Jul 30 11:20 |
| oiaohm | I treat everything the same. | Jul 30 11:28 |
| schestowitz | I'd hate to lose comment threading | Jul 30 11:30 |
| schestowitz | I carry this old plugins from when BEFORE WordPress had this option | Jul 30 11:30 |
| schestowitz | So if I disable the plugin which does this, then all threaded stuff in old posts becomes flat | Jul 30 11:30 |
| schestowitz | What to do, you reckon...? | Jul 30 11:31 |
| schestowitz | I think it might just be incompatible with this WP version | Jul 30 11:32 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.2i2j.com/plugins/wordpress-thread-comment | Jul 30 11:32 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Wordpress Thread Comment : 偶爱偶家 .::. Size~: 54.23 KB | Jul 30 11:32 |
| schestowitz | Requires at least: 2.1 | Jul 30 11:32 |
| schestowitz | Tested up to: 2.5 | Jul 30 11:32 |
| schestowitz | http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wordpress-thread-comment/ "Compatible up to: 2.7.1" | Jul 30 11:33 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: WordPress : WordPress Thread Comment « WordPress Plugins .::. Size~: 22.79 KB | Jul 30 11:33 |
| schestowitz | http://wordpress.org/support/topic/plugin-wordpress-thread-comment-thank-you | Jul 30 11:34 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: WordPress : Support » [Plugin: WordPress Thread Comment] Thank You! .::. Size~: 9.69 KB | Jul 30 11:34 |
| schestowitz | I have this dilemma now | Jul 30 11:34 |
| schestowitz | And a backup too | Jul 30 11:35 |
| schestowitz | OK, first let's see if that's the cause of upgrade issues | Jul 30 11:35 |
| schestowitz | Last Updated: 2009-3-13 | Jul 30 11:36 |
| schestowitz | I have the latest version | Jul 30 11:36 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Jul 30 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Even with all plugins disabled it won't go | Jul 30 11:38 |
| schestowitz | No upgrade of DB | Jul 30 11:38 |
| schestowitz | let's try cookie emptying | Jul 30 11:38 |
| schestowitz | OK, let's try and go back to debug | Jul 30 11:40 |
| schestowitz | http://codex.wordpress.org/WordPress_Screenshots | Jul 30 11:42 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: WordPress Screenshots « WordPress Codex .::. Size~: 43.98 KB | Jul 30 11:42 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: do you use wordpress? | Jul 30 11:42 |
| schestowitz | I need some help knowing if upgrades are a one step thing | Jul 30 11:42 |
| oiaohm | Not recently that is the problem. been working on network design for the last 8 months. | Jul 30 12:02 |
| schestowitz | We think it might the server doijng script timeout | Jul 30 12:04 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the DB size | Jul 30 12:05 |
| schestowitz | I'll paste this here in a moment | Jul 30 12:05 |
| schestowitz | Is there a setting by which I can tell php to have no timeout limit? | Jul 30 12:05 |
| oiaohm | php.ini has settings to alter time outs. | Jul 30 12:07 |
| schestowitz | http://php.net/manual/en/function.set-time-limit.php | Jul 30 12:07 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: PHP: set_time_limit - Manual .::. Size~: 47.85 KB | Jul 30 12:07 |
| oiaohm | max_execution_time Yep | Jul 30 12:08 |
| schestowitz | http://tutorials.ausweb.com.au/web/Tutorials/Wordpress-Tutorials/Using-WordPress-Auto-Upgrade-and-Solving-Timeouts/ | Jul 30 12:09 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: set to what? | Jul 30 12:09 |
| oiaohm | No idea | Jul 30 12:09 |
| oiaohm | How do you think it will need. | Jul 30 12:09 |
| oiaohm | At times I have set it to 24 hours. | Jul 30 12:09 |
| schestowitz | http://wordpress.org/support/topic/wordpress-30-database-upgrade-timeout | Jul 30 12:09 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: WordPress : Support » WordPress 3.0 database upgrade timeout .::. Size~: 10.34 KB | Jul 30 12:10 |
| oiaohm | Note set to 0 also means no limit. | Jul 30 12:10 |
| schestowitz | "I'm trying to upgrade the database to 3.0 (the rest seems fine) on a wordpress setup that has a 1gig database. Lots of posts(!). Anyway, it always times out using the upgrade.php through the web browser. " http://wordpress.org/support/topic/wordpress-30-database-upgrade-timeout | Jul 30 12:10 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: WordPress : Support » WordPress 3.0 database upgrade timeout .::. Size~: 10.34 KB | Jul 30 12:10 |
| schestowitz | Ahhhh... | Jul 30 12:10 |
| schestowitz | Maybe that's it | Jul 30 12:10 |
| schestowitz | I'll drop back to 2.9 and try again | Jul 30 12:11 |
| oiaohm | Also you read the note | Jul 30 12:11 |
| schestowitz | BTW | Jul 30 12:11 |
| schestowitz | Testing this locally would not have helped | Jul 30 12:11 |
| schestowitz | Assuming that's the issue | Jul 30 12:11 |
| oiaohm | safemode you are not allowed to adjust limit in php.ini | Jul 30 12:11 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yeah | Jul 30 12:11 |
| oiaohm | For me it normally would have shown. | Jul 30 12:12 |
| oiaohm | My test machines are true complete crap. | Jul 30 12:12 |
| oiaohm | Biggest one is a 500 mhz pent III | Jul 30 12:12 |
| schestowitz | The issue is, I would need it enabled when I upgrade. no? | Jul 30 12:12 |
| oiaohm | If process is being termnated before complete yes. | Jul 30 12:13 |
| oiaohm | But there are other things that could be going wrong too. | Jul 30 12:13 |
| oiaohm | Ie php can put time limits on database calls and size of database requests as well. | Jul 30 12:13 |
| oiaohm | Simplest way to simulate too much network load on a server is have the server too small to start off with. schestowitz | Jul 30 12:16 |
| schestowitz | http://felixker.com/wp-timeout-plugin/ | Jul 30 12:20 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Wordpress/Plugin Upgrade Time Out Plugin .::. Size~: 31.02 KB | Jul 30 12:20 |
| schestowitz | Assuming it's a timeout, this plugin doesn't appear to have changed anything | Jul 30 12:30 |
| schestowitz | Let me do some more reading... | Jul 30 12:30 |
| schestowitz | [11:48] <schestowitz> Hi. I have an issue upgrading to 3.0.1 (from 2.9.x) and I wonder if someone can answer a question not related to this issue. When I hit the "Upgrade WordPress Database" in upgrade.php am I supposed to wait for a long time for something to happen in the background (my DB is 101MB compressed)? Or is it supposed to step to another page immediately? At the moment, whenever I hit this button I just get a page | Jul 30 12:31 |
| schestowitz | with the wordpress logo and | Jul 30 12:31 |
| schestowitz | [11:48] <schestowitz> nothing else. There is no indication of anything happening in the background. | Jul 30 12:31 |
| schestowitz | [11:51] <michel_v_> you're supposed to get something else that shows after a little while | Jul 30 12:31 |
| schestowitz | [11:52] <michel_v_> it's usually very fast | Jul 30 12:31 |
| schestowitz | [11:54] <nkuttler> schestowitz: you could try running wp-admin/upgrade.php from the command line. never done that myself though | Jul 30 12:31 |
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| schestowitz | [11:55] <schestowitz> nkuttler: I'll try that | Jul 30 12:31 |
| schestowitz | [11:55] <schestowitz> michel_v_: thanks, that's what I thought | Jul 30 12:31 |
| schestowitz | [11:56] <schestowitz> nkuttler: wouldn't that just run something which returns Web pages though? | Jul 30 12:31 |
| schestowitz | [11:56] <schestowitz> I mean, it's not built to just launch a script straight away, I think | Jul 30 12:31 |
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| schestowitz | [11:59] <schestowitz> michel_v_: it says "The upgrade process may take a little while, so please be patient." | Jul 30 12:31 |
| schestowitz | [12:00] <schestowitz> That's why I thought maybe they had changed something. I tried upgrade.php from another browser, still no luck | Jul 30 12:31 |
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| schestowitz | [12:01] <nkuttler> i'd guess it's a script timeout | Jul 30 12:31 |
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| schestowitz | [12:02] <schestowitz> Could there be some setting on the server suppressing the script from running? | Jul 30 12:31 |
| schestowitz | [12:02] <schestowitz> It's supposed to upgrade a very large DB, almost half a gigabyte | Jul 30 12:31 |
| schestowitz | [12:03] <schestowitz> It does seem like timeout is likely. I get: | Jul 30 12:31 |
| schestowitz | [12:03] <schestowitz> <body> | Jul 30 12:31 |
| schestowitz | [12:03] <schestowitz> <h1 id="logo"><img alt="WordPress" src="images/wordpress-logo.png" /></h1> | Jul 30 12:32 |
| schestowitz | [12:04] <schestowitz> [ --- and that's it. It hangs there after I hit Upgrade WordPress Database" ---] | Jul 30 12:32 |
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| schestowitz | [12:06] <CatchMe> id like to add a link meta data to category, is that possible? | Jul 30 12:32 |
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| schestowitz | [12:11] <schestowitz> I think that's the problem http://wordpress.org/support/topic/wordpress-30-database-upgrade-timeout | Jul 30 12:32 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: WordPress : Support » WordPress 3.0 database upgrade timeout .::. Size~: 10.34 KB | Jul 30 12:32 |
| schestowitz | [12:11] <schestowitz> Same issue as me | Jul 30 12:32 |
| schestowitz | The answer she gives is not correct | Jul 30 12:39 |
| schestowitz | It's for URL downloads, a la http://tutorials.ausweb.com.au/web/Tutorials/Wordpress-Tutorials/Using-WordPress-Auto-Upgrade-and-Solving-Timeouts/ | Jul 30 12:39 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if it's just PHP that times it out | Jul 30 12:39 |
| schestowitz | Let's work around this | Jul 30 12:39 |
| schestowitz | OK, well... it's safer to wait for tessier, in the mean time I'll restore some plugins | Jul 30 12:44 |
| oiaohm | Starting to see why I do this offline yet. schestowitz | Jul 30 12:46 |
| oiaohm | The stuff has more spikes than a porcupine at times. | Jul 30 12:47 |
| schestowitz | For the time being it'll serve page contents ok | Jul 30 12:48 |
| oiaohm | I like that you put for the time being | Jul 30 12:49 |
| oiaohm | What I have learnt over time. The cost in setting up a local copy with backups will be recovered in less hair pulling and worry. | Jul 30 12:50 |
| oiaohm | And less waiting for server admins to turn up. | Jul 30 12:51 |
| schestowitz | Oh, that's interesting | Jul 30 12:52 |
| schestowitz | I can disable and re-enable the threaded comments plugins and it would still work | Jul 30 12:53 |
| schestowitz | OK, that's good news then | Jul 30 12:53 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I am reinstalling Linux soon anyway | Jul 30 12:53 |
| schestowitz | Would take long to make test box | Jul 30 12:53 |
| schestowitz | AND>..... | Jul 30 12:53 |
| schestowitz | I am almost convinced the problem is timeout | Jul 30 12:53 |
| schestowitz | And I have few options here, better wait for tessier though, he does LAMP stuff for a living | Jul 30 12:54 |
| oiaohm | Even when I am doing it for a living. I still do things the same way. | Jul 30 12:56 |
| oiaohm | But as admin of server has the power of direct reset and alterations of stuff. | Jul 30 12:57 |
| schestowitz | Question though: | Jul 30 12:57 |
| schestowitz | If there's a PHP timeout... | Jul 30 12:57 |
| schestowitz | Would it look at the queries and then giving up within seconds? | Jul 30 12:57 |
| oiaohm | Also tessier loves virtual machines as well. | Jul 30 12:57 |
| oiaohm | You can gess why. | Jul 30 12:57 |
| schestowitz | Or should I expect the browser to sit there with signs of operation taking place (like animation in the tab bar) unless pHP gives up? | Jul 30 12:57 |
| oiaohm | Ie make a clone play with clone if it don't work nuke clone and start over. | Jul 30 12:58 |
| schestowitz | Some years ago we had a CPU-hogging plugin | Jul 30 12:58 |
| schestowitz | And the host then changed the settings | Jul 30 12:58 |
| oiaohm | Hmm | Jul 30 12:58 |
| schestowitz | So it basically kind of shut down the operation before it was running properly or showing progress | Jul 30 12:58 |
| oiaohm | browser could be dropping out as well due to no activitiy. | Jul 30 12:58 |
| schestowitz | I just want to be sure here that the problem is DB size | Jul 30 12:58 |
| oiaohm | tcp/ip limits. | Jul 30 12:59 |
| oiaohm | Remember what I said there are a stack of time outs and limits that could be the problem. | Jul 30 13:00 |
| oiaohm | database has limits and time outs in the database and on the php side. | Jul 30 13:00 |
| oiaohm | The php script it self has a stack of limits even some that can be code set inside wordpress. | Jul 30 13:01 |
| oiaohm | Really a instant stop I would be more suspect of hitting a database transfer limit than a time out. | Jul 30 13:01 |
| schestowitz | http://wordpress.org/support/topic/wordpress-30-database-upgrade-timeout?replies=3#post-1622339 "I am having the same issue trying to get about a half-a-gig database upgraded for WordPress 3.0. The suggestion made above seems to address issues of file download limits, not database size (which perhaps leads to PHP timing out). Any other suggestions?" | Jul 30 13:11 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: WordPress : Support » WordPress 3.0 database upgrade timeout .::. Size~: 11.15 KB | Jul 30 13:11 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yeah, that might be it, db limits of some sort, not pure operations on them | Jul 30 13:11 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't actually say to me what the error is when I try | Jul 30 13:12 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, I probably won't need to restore anything from backup, just find a way to upgrade this gigantic database | Jul 30 13:12 |
| schestowitz | OpenSUSE's community manager tells me: "@schestowitz I think that's the right way to see it, at least most of the time. And their relationship needs work ;-)" context: http://identi.ca/notice/44456315 | Jul 30 13:13 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Jos Poortvliet (jospoortvliet)'s status on Friday, 30-Jul-10 11:50:54 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.55 KB | Jul 30 13:13 |
| schestowitz | "Interesting. Will have to read up on such stuff..." http://identi.ca/conversation/44022805#notice-44456337 | Jul 30 13:14 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.39 KB | Jul 30 13:14 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't seem to know what Novell did to opensuse | Jul 30 13:14 |
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| schestowitz | ... | Jul 30 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Two upgrades to WordPress were successful, only this tchrights DB is a nightmare,...... | Jul 30 13:52 |
| schestowitz | > My website is off to a good start this morning. I try to post quality, | Jul 30 13:52 |
| schestowitz | > entertaining articles that are somewhat of a relief from the serious stuff | Jul 30 13:52 |
| schestowitz | > in the news. So far, in the upgrade to Word Press, I see no errors. | Jul 30 13:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 30 13:52 |
| schestowitz | > By the way, I am able to insert MP3's into a posting O.K. (check out today's | Jul 30 13:52 |
| schestowitz | > article "The Bride, Through the Years"... but I really want the music to | Jul 30 13:52 |
| schestowitz | > play automatically in the background. Is that possible or just too | Jul 30 13:52 |
| schestowitz | > complicated to install? | Jul 30 13:52 |
| schestowitz | I'd be careful with copyrighted stuff. And no, can't have it played in the background. | Jul 30 13:52 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/new?replyto=stumbles&inreplyto=44462602 "@schestowitz Thanks for the encouraging blog post! We now have 360 Australians supporting the letter to abolish software patents." | Jul 30 14:02 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jul 30 14:02 |
| schestowitz | It has been a long time since I last heard from Google and I did not receive a call/E-mail. It's them who came to me. I guess they just googled me a little and found out what I think. | Jul 30 15:05 |
| schestowitz | Would appreciate knowing what's going on... :-) | Jul 30 15:08 |
| schestowitz | That's the nature of Google, I guess | Jul 30 15:08 |
| schestowitz | They also seem to be going after people rather than ever receive applications... or at least that's the impression I got from people. Over the years they came to me 3 times even though I never contacted them. | Jul 30 15:08 |
| schestowitz | >>From your weblog: On a separate note, Google has been looking to hire me | Jul 30 16:01 |
| schestowitz | > recently (they do this with a lot of people and they occasionally contact me | Jul 30 16:01 |
| schestowitz | > too), but I am torn between my obligations to serve the public interest and | Jul 30 16:01 |
| schestowitz | > someone's private interest. | Jul 30 16:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 30 16:01 |
| schestowitz | > What do you think? Is Google not evil? About 90% of my writings about Google | Jul 30 16:01 |
| schestowitz | > are positive; the rest are not. | Jul 30 16:01 |
| schestowitz | > _______________________________________________________ | Jul 30 16:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 30 16:01 |
| schestowitz | > What I Think: Serving the Public is, to be blunt, self-aggrandizing and | Jul 30 16:01 |
| schestowitz | > gives you a warm inner feeling...Ahhh I am doing "good." This feeling is | Jul 30 16:01 |
| schestowitz | > wonderful and coming through before age 30, it's a real high. | Jul 30 16:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 30 16:01 |
| schestowitz | > BUT inner feeling change; the reality of cynicism shows up and then you | Jul 30 16:01 |
| schestowitz | > awaken. | Jul 30 16:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 30 16:01 |
| schestowitz | > If Google's money offer is beyond expectations and the work you will be | Jul 30 16:01 |
| schestowitz | > asked to do is challenging and satisfying, it would be the perfect | Jul 30 16:01 |
| schestowitz | > opportunity. | Jul 30 16:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 30 16:02 |
| schestowitz | > You really did not need this advice because if you weren't ready for Google | Jul 30 16:02 |
| schestowitz | > or you were so attached to "serving the Public" you would not have | Jul 30 16:02 |
| schestowitz | > interviewed with Google. | Jul 30 16:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 30 16:02 |
| schestowitz | > Oh! I have something else to add, but you may totally disagree: | Jul 30 16:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 30 16:02 |
| schestowitz | > You are into announcing things that could possibly happen before they | Jul 30 16:02 |
| schestowitz | > actually happen. In general, I am not superstitious, but I think it's | Jul 30 16:02 |
| schestowitz | > premature and immature to share personal stuff with strangers before they | Jul 30 16:02 |
| schestowitz | > are a reality. | Jul 30 16:02 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/44164474#notice-44475019 "@plcstpierre (vanilla) Android has added all sorts of restrictions which Linux does not have" | Jul 30 16:05 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 11.54 KB | Jul 30 16:05 |
| schestowitz | "totally agee with you, #Android will be good for linux but it will carry a lot of things i don't like" | Jul 30 16:05 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/plcstpierre/statuses/19916507753 "Okay, thanks for the info :) I'll take a look sometime." | Jul 30 16:36 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Twitter / plcstpierre: @schestowitz: Okay, thanks ... .::. Size~: 11.58 KB | Jul 30 16:37 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/44164474#notice-44479486 "@schestowitz In theory, couldn't a libre Android distro be made to run on open hardware?" | Jul 30 16:37 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 14.18 KB | Jul 30 16:37 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/44168414#notice-44481251 "What do you know if anything about epic.org" | Jul 30 17:03 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.97 KB | Jul 30 17:03 |
| schestowitz | Do you know? | Jul 30 17:03 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft compares old UBuntu... "@schestowitz: Yeh and did you notice the up to date comparisons using er Feisty which is from April 2007.Maybe they are used to no updates:)"http://identi.ca/conversation/44167294#notice-44483070 | Jul 30 17:12 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 10.67 KB | Jul 30 17:12 |
| schestowitz | [17:27] <schestowitz> Hi, I think I narrowed down what's causing upgrade issues. My error log says "[Fri Jul 30 09:16:21 2010] [error] [client 216.105.40.123] PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined method wpdb::tables() in /home/boycottn/public_html/wp-admin/includes/upgrade.php on line 1403, referer: http://techrights.org/wp-admin/upgrade.php" | Jul 30 17:39 |
| schestowitz | [17:27] <WDS-Brad> no clue why it would stop working | Jul 30 17:39 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: WordPress › Upgrade .::. Size~: 1.01 KB | Jul 30 17:39 |
| schestowitz | [17:27] <waldner> I'm double checking, but nothing changed | Jul 30 17:39 |
| schestowitz | [17:27] <-- kthomas_vh has left this server (Max SendQ exceeded). | Jul 30 17:39 |
| schestowitz | [17:27] <schestowitz> Does anyone know what this might mean, in terms of what causes the problem? | Jul 30 17:39 |
| schestowitz | [17:27] <waldner> schestowitz: are you having the "enter your FTP creds" error? | Jul 30 17:39 |
| schestowitz | [17:27] <peepz> how do I make so posts open up in a new window?? | Jul 30 17:39 |
| schestowitz | [17:27] <-- dbgi has left this server (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). | Jul 30 17:39 |
| schestowitz | [17:27] <schestowitz> I upgrade with the Web form in upgrade.php | Jul 30 17:39 |
| schestowitz | [17:27] <jdingman> peepz, target="_blank" | Jul 30 17:39 |
| schestowitz | [17:28] <jdingman> peepz, but that's just evil | Jul 30 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | [17:28] <peepz> im not hard coding it.. i want certain posts in my blog roll to open in a new window | Jul 30 17:40 |
| schestowitz | [17:28] <jdingman> oh, that's fair | Jul 30 17:40 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <kassner> Anyone can help me with WP 3.0.x WP-ADMIN 404 issue? | Jul 30 17:40 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <jdingman> .ask > kassner | Jul 30 17:40 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <doc-b195> kassner: If you have a question, just ask. | Jul 30 17:40 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <schestowitz> PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined method wpdb::tables() in upgrade.php on line 1403 -- I have gotten this error no matter what I tried. The Web page just hangs and the server gives this error. The DB is very large (about half a gig), but I'm not sure it should matter | Jul 30 17:40 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <kassner> Wow, I got 404 error on some WP-ADmin pages | Jul 30 17:40 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <kassner> not all | Jul 30 17:40 |
| schestowitz | [17:30] <jdingman> kassner, re-upload the latest version of WordPress | Jul 30 17:40 |
| schestowitz | [17:30] <kassner> it`s happening only on 3.0.0 and 3.0.1 | Jul 30 17:40 |
| schestowitz | [17:30] <kassner> I do it some times | Jul 30 17:40 |
| schestowitz | [17:30] <kassner> and every I got the same problem | Jul 30 17:40 |
| schestowitz | [17:30] <kassner> Fresh install, upgrade from 2.9 | Jul 30 17:40 |
| schestowitz | [17:31] <tengopreguntas1> kassner: shrink your question in one line please | Jul 30 17:40 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz Jason Hiner is praising Ubuntu on ZDnet... What do u think ??? "http://identi.ca/conversation/44180085#notice-44490777 | Jul 30 18:46 |
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| schestowitz | OpenSUSE's chief talks to me: "@jospoortvliet, @schestowitz there are no restrictions on the usage of openSUSE, the license is public http://is.gd/dTmxJ "http://identi.ca/conversation/44022805#notice-44494871 | Jul 30 20:23 |
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| schestowitz | me: "@jaegerandi @jospoortvliet Microsoft's deal which Novell agreed to says that OpenSUSE will be 'secure' as long as it's just a 'hobby'" | Jul 30 20:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20070614231022599 | Jul 30 20:25 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Groklaw - What Does MS Want? -- Brains for Sale? .::. Size~: 28.59 KB | Jul 30 20:25 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/44184925#notice-44502500 "@schestowitz Wrong link on the ACCESS post (points again to Ubuntu-Gnome)" | Jul 30 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | Denial from OpenSUSE: http://twitter.com/jaegerandi/statuses/19936186938 | Jul 30 21:23 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Twitter / Andreas Jaeger: @schestowitz Your claim wa ... .::. Size~: 11.68 KB | Jul 30 21:23 |
| schestowitz | "Your claim was that openSUSE cannot be used commercially, your link does not confirm this - openSUSE is not restricted!" | Jul 30 21:23 |
| schestowitz | me "@jaegerandi @jospoortvliet you can, but not safely. When I said it can't be used I was referring to Microsoft's predatory point of view" | Jul 30 21:28 |
| schestowitz | It's funny that they confront my claims now | Jul 30 21:28 |
| schestowitz | They used to jusy ignore | Jul 30 21:28 |
| schestowitz | And now the censors come to me | Jul 30 21:44 |
| schestowitz | They think they can just ask me to keep it secret without telling me in advance, which is not their legal right AFAIK | Jul 30 21:44 |
| schestowitz | So here: | Jul 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | -----Original Message----- | Jul 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | From: Mike Masnick | Jul 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:32 AM | Jul 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | To: Olin Coles | Jul 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Subject: Re: [Feedback] Reviewer Caught Posting Marketing Material As A | Jul 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Review... Uses DMCA To Takedown Site Of Guy Who Exposed Him [Techdirt | Jul 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Feedback] | Jul 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Hi Olin, | Jul 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | If you could provide details on which specific things are factually | Jul 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | incorrect, along with any evidence to support that, we'd be more than happy | Jul 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | to review. | Jul 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, | Jul 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Mike | Jul 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | ========= | Jul 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | -----Original Message----- | Jul 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | From: Olin Coles | Jul 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 1:09 PM | Jul 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | To: 'Mike Masnick' | Jul 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Subject: RE: [Feedback] Reviewer Caught Posting Marketing Material As A | Jul 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Review... Uses DMCA To Takedown Site Of Guy Who Exposed Him [Techdirt | Jul 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Feedback] | Jul 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Importance: High | Jul 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Attn: Mike Masnick | Jul 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Thank you for responding to my message. Several of the statements, | Jul 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | including the title, of your article " Reviewer Caught Posting Marketing | Jul 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Material As A Review... Uses DMCA To Takedown Site Of Guy Who Exposed Him " | Jul 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | located at http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100723/09061610340.shtml are | Jul 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | untrue and I believe them to qualify as libel. Please direct your attention | Jul 30 21:45 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Reviewer Caught Posting Marketing Material As A Review... Uses DMCA To Takedown Site Of Guy Who Exposed Him | Techdirt .::. Size~: 103.13 KB | Jul 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | to the following areas within your article: | Jul 30 21:45 |
| schestowitz | 1) Title: "Reviewer Caught Posting Marketing Material As A Review ". This | Jul 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | is an untrue statement which you've worded to appear as fact. Marketing | Jul 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | material was not posted as a review, as there are eight pages consisting of | Jul 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | 4700 words in this article and only the 'about the company' paragraph on | Jul 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | page one and the 'features' section on page two are from the manufacturer | Jul 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | (roughly 300 words total). These two sections consist of public domain/fair | Jul 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | use information that is not copyrighted. Republishing the features and | Jul 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | specifications directly from the manufacturer is standard and customary for | Jul 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | review websites, as well as websites such as Amazon or Buy.com. I could | Jul 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | provide you hundreds of examples of this from around the web, but it's not | Jul 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | my duty to research a story for you. This statement harms my reputation as | Jul 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | a professional review writer, and reduces the ability of my business to be | Jul 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | considered unbiased. | Jul 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | [Me: oh, poor baby...] | Jul 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | 2) Title: "Uses DMCA To Takedown Site Of Guy Who Exposed Him". This is an | Jul 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | untrue statement, and ignores the facts. The DMCA complaint was not used to | Jul 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | takedown any website, and by design it is not capable of demanding website | Jul 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | removal. The DMCA notice, which was published online in Stuart Campbell's | Jul 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | article (and you linked to), simply requested that he remove my logo and | Jul 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | other copyrighted images from his story which were taken from my website | Jul 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | without permission. It was also requested that he remove the unreasonably | Jul 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | large portion (500 words) of copyrighted text which comprised the entire | Jul 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | first page of my article, because Google would punish me for duplicate | Jul 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | content and he did not break-up with required commentary to be considered | Jul 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | transitive. Stuart Campbell refused to remove the copyrighted images | Jul 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | described in the complaint from his host, and instead posted a fourth update | Jul 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | to his article. This caused them to take down his website. Once he agreed | Jul 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | to remove them, they restored his website. Additionally, as a direct result | Jul 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | of your article's assertion we've received dozens of threatening messages | Jul 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | and have been the target for three malicious DOS server attacks. | Jul 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | [so DMCA bully, indeed. Seems like desperation to me...] | Jul 30 21:46 |
| schestowitz | 3) DMCA: "using a bogus DMCA takedown". The DMCA complaint was not bogus, | Jul 30 21:47 |
| schestowitz | and all four organizations that received it recognized its validity. While | Jul 30 21:47 |
| schestowitz | there's some degree of question regarding how the large amount of text that | Jul 30 21:47 |
| schestowitz | was taken had been used, our logo and images are fairly copyrighted. | Jul 30 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Additionally, he used the entire first page of text without breaking it up | Jul 30 21:47 |
| schestowitz | or commenting on it. Here's just one reference that backs my claim: | Jul 30 21:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.chillingeffects.org/. In total, both of his cloned Wordpress | Jul 30 21:47 |
| schestowitz | sites, Zetaboard.com forum, and his own website were affected by the | Jul 30 21:47 |
| schestowitz | complaint. The only site that was taken down was his own, because at first | Jul 30 21:47 |
| schestowitz | he refused to remove our logo and images. After their own internal review, | Jul 30 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Wordpress removed the images as did Zetaboard. All of his comments and | Jul 30 21:47 |
| schestowitz | opinion have remained untouched. | Jul 30 21:47 |
| schestowitz | ===== | Jul 30 21:48 |
| schestowitz | I could go one with numerous other examples of where you pass opinion off as | Jul 30 21:48 |
| schestowitz | fact, but suffice it to say the items above are the strongest complaints | Jul 30 21:48 |
| schestowitz | against you. Items such as "As people commented on the BenchmarkReviews | Jul 30 21:48 |
| schestowitz | website pointing this out, those comments were swiftly deleted, and the | Jul 30 21:48 |
| schestowitz | users' IP addresses were banned." Since all comments are held for | Jul 30 21:48 |
| schestowitz | moderation prior to ever being published, it would be very difficult to | Jul 30 21:48 |
| schestowitz | delete something that never went online. Please prove that this occurred, | Jul 30 21:48 |
| schestowitz | as it is an untrue statement. Additionally, the only person that was banned | Jul 30 21:48 |
| schestowitz | was Stuart Campbell, who wrote several malicious and derogatory comments | Jul 30 21:48 |
| schestowitz | from the same IP address using false names prior to sending a message using | Jul 30 21:48 |
| schestowitz | his real name. You should probably consider your source on this item, since | Jul 30 21:48 |
| schestowitz | we have proof that he used several different false names to make comments | Jul 30 21:48 |
| schestowitz | from the same IP address. | Jul 30 21:48 |
| schestowitz | ==== | Jul 30 21:48 |
| schestowitz | I request that you reword your article to reflect only facts you can prove, | Jul 30 21:48 |
| schestowitz | and remove claims you have made and assert as truth but do not hold proof | Jul 30 21:48 |
| schestowitz | of. These changes should be made within the next 48 hours. | Jul 30 21:48 |
| schestowitz | You do not have my permission to reproduce or publish this message or any or | Jul 30 21:48 |
| schestowitz | my contact details. This message has been copied to my legal counsel as | Jul 30 21:48 |
| schestowitz | proof to my requests. | Jul 30 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Olin Coles | Jul 30 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Executive Editor | Jul 30 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Benchmark Reviews | Jul 30 21:48 |
| schestowitz | ==== | Jul 30 21:48 |
| schestowitz | See? Bully. | Jul 30 21:48 |
| schestowitz | And now the bully comes to me: | Jul 30 21:48 |
| schestowitz | I'm relying: | Jul 30 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > Hello: | Jul 30 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 30 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > It appears that you created an article propagating several untrue statements | Jul 30 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > made by someone (Stuart Campbell) looking for media limelight. In a message | Jul 30 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > to the author at Techdirt, I pointed out several instances where either lies | Jul 30 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > or opinion were passed as fact. You should read this, as it pertains to | Jul 30 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > your story and the portions you've also quoted from the Techdirt article. | Jul 30 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 30 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > For reference, I am in no way attempting to restrict free speech and | Jul 30 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > opinion. None of my DMCA complain requested for the author to remove his | Jul 30 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > own work; only my logo and images and the abnormally large first page of | Jul 30 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > text that was taken. Additionally, Stuart Campbell didn't break up the | Jul 30 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > 500-word segment or make comment on it. He simply posted it as part of the | Jul 30 21:51 |
| schestowitz | > intro to his story. | Jul 30 21:51 |
| schestowitz | I have reviewed your messages as you put them below and if anything it confirms you are an online bully. Sorry, but this is exactly the type of behaviour that I consider censorship with monopoly laws such as copyright/DMCA. | Jul 30 21:51 |
| schestowitz | I see that you are now bullying Mike as well. What needs to be modified is not a set of online posts, it is your attitude towards dissent. | Jul 30 21:51 |
| schestowitz | He wrote back: | Jul 30 22:03 |
| schestowitz | > I'm not asking for anything other than truthful statements to be published. | Jul 30 22:03 |
| schestowitz | > I didn't ask him to take down opinions, only to correct the items that are | Jul 30 22:03 |
| schestowitz | > untrue. Calling me an 'Internet bully' for wanting to remove untrue | Jul 30 22:03 |
| schestowitz | > statements seems a little inappropriate. If someone wrongfully accused you | Jul 30 22:03 |
| schestowitz | > of illegal activity and it damaged your professional reputation, how would | Jul 30 22:03 |
| schestowitz | > you react? People are free to have their opinions and I encourage them, but | Jul 30 22:04 |
| schestowitz | > passing a damaging opinion off as fact when it is clearly not falls into a | Jul 30 22:04 |
| schestowitz | > different category. | Jul 30 22:04 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 30 22:04 |
| schestowitz | > However, if you were referring to the copyright protection and subsequent | Jul 30 22:04 |
| schestowitz | > DMCA, then you are entitled to your opinion. I don't make the laws in this | Jul 30 22:04 |
| schestowitz | > country or any others, but I live by them and work within them. Please | Jul 30 22:04 |
| schestowitz | > don't fault me for obeying the law. My opinion differs from yours, and I | Jul 30 22:04 |
| schestowitz | > believe artwork such as images are property that requires permission to | Jul 30 22:04 |
| schestowitz | > 'take' and 'use'. Apparently, most of the civilized world agrees with me on | Jul 30 22:04 |
| schestowitz | > this. | Jul 30 22:04 |
| schestowitz | You gave Mike a sort of ultimatum. I don't think that's polite or sincere. | Jul 30 22:04 |
| schestowitz | > There was dialog leading up to that last message, and the only ultimatum was | Jul 30 22:16 |
| schestowitz | > the timetable for response to ensure that he actually does respond to the | Jul 30 22:16 |
| schestowitz | > message (it's been slow going). | Jul 30 22:16 |
| schestowitz | I can imagine why. | Jul 30 22:16 |
| schestowitz | ====== | Jul 30 22:17 |
| schestowitz | > ... and speaking of polite or sincere... you might want to consider that | Jul 30 22:17 |
| schestowitz | > Mike published that article without first conducting any investigation on | Jul 30 22:17 |
| schestowitz | > his own and depending solely on the original author. Not very polite to | Jul 30 22:17 |
| schestowitz | > publish a piece like that without contacting the party you're punishing. | Jul 30 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Jul 30 22:17 |
| schestowitz | I'm not buying it | Jul 30 22:17 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/jstedfast/statuses/19940645040 "Only #boycottboy could turn the Canonical/Red Hat debate into an attack on Novell. Wow. Especially after I defended his distro of choice." | Jul 31 05:46 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Twitter / Jeffrey Stedfast: Only #boycottboy could tur ... .::. Size~: 8.67 KB | Jul 31 05:46 |
| schestowitz | http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/netsys/article.php/3895111/Cloud-Computings-Effect-on-the-Hosting-Industry.htm | Jul 31 06:02 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Cloud Computing's Effect on the Hosting Industry — Datamation.com .::. Size~: 68.6 KB | Jul 31 06:02 |
| schestowitz | IBM's Linux VP bought a little dingy. http://www.sutor.com/c/2010/07/sailing-not-wet-yet/ | Jul 31 09:12 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Sailing: Not wet yet | Blog | Bob Sutor .::. Size~: 47.46 KB | Jul 31 09:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/?2010/07/26/734-slidin- | Jul 31 09:14 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Slidin' - Diary of a CrazyFrench .::. Size~: 20.5 KB | Jul 31 09:14 |
| schestowitz | http://foocorp.net/gnu-social-buttons.html | Jul 31 09:14 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: FOO29 GNU social buttons - FooCorp's Internet Website .::. Size~: 6.21 KB | Jul 31 09:14 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/44145895#notice-44557776 "@schestowitz i hope your server-side upgrades are going smoothly" | Jul 31 10:03 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 10.28 KB | Jul 31 10:03 |
| schestowitz | still having issues | Jul 31 10:03 |
| schestowitz | > Hi Roy, | Jul 31 13:25 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 31 13:25 |
| schestowitz | > You can bring up parts of the Commodore 64 generation (the original | Jul 31 13:26 |
| schestowitz | > "fanboys" in computing), to which I also belong, by claiming that Bill | Jul 31 13:26 |
| schestowitz | > Gates never did any serious coding, as you just said on Twitter. In | Jul 31 13:26 |
| schestowitz | > Commodore 64 circles, the Microsoft Easter Egg is attributed to Bill | Jul 31 13:26 |
| schestowitz | > Gates himself: | Jul 31 13:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 31 13:26 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.mos6502.com/?p=1319 | Jul 31 13:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 31 13:26 |
| schestowitz | > I don't have any evidence, but ever since the 1980's there was consensus | Jul 31 13:26 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Commodore Easter Eggs | A Commodore Geek's Blog .::. Size~: 28.84 KB | Jul 31 13:26 |
| schestowitz | > in Commodore fanboy circles that he did it (and that he coded | Jul 31 13:26 |
| schestowitz | > significant other parts of that BASIC interpreter). | Jul 31 13:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 31 13:26 |
| schestowitz | > Best regards, | Jul 31 13:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 31 13:26 |
| schestowitz | > Florian | Jul 31 13:26 |
| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/308551 "after wasting 10 min composing a reply to elevenislouder's blog and getting blocked by an asinine comment system, i decided to simply reply to your TR post, w/ it happens uses a similar even more asinine system- these broken comment systems are a plague and disgrace" | Jul 31 13:29 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Saturday, 31-Jul-10 10:00:36 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 8.05 KB | Jul 31 13:29 |
| schestowitz | Odd. | Jul 31 13:29 |
| schestowitz | I wonder, what specifically happened when the comment was submitted? | Jul 31 13:30 |
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| schestowitz | Stallman has some photos on his site it seems http://stallman.org/Portrait_-_Denmark_DTU_2007-3-31.jpg | Jul 31 14:41 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jul 31 14:41 |
| schestowitz | http://cgi.ebay.com/SCO-OpenServer-6-Enterprise-Ed-Base-License-SCO-Unix-/7199361408?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1ad1d8980 | Jul 31 15:23 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: SCO OpenServer 6 Enterprise Ed. Base License - SCO Unix - eBay (item 7199361408 end time Aug-28-10 23:49:21 PDT) .::. Size~: 64.36 KB | Jul 31 15:23 |
| schestowitz | "[PJ: SCO appears to be offering OpenServer 6 on EBay, specifically "SCO OpenServer 6 Enterprise Ed. Base License" for $1599. No returns. "More than 10 available." However the contact is listed as SCOsales, and there is some ambiguity there. SCO Sales exists, of course, but so does an entity in Florida that is an entity calling itself Computer Business Consultants, Inc., or so EBay has them listed as. And they are listed as | Jul 31 15:23 |
| schestowitz | the owner of the domain name scosales.com on GoDaddy. Are they an authorized reseller, than?]" | Jul 31 15:23 |
| schestowitz | > A Warning About Non Free Software and the Microsoft Ecosystem | Jul 31 16:23 |
| *oiaohm has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Jul 31 16:23 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 31 16:23 |
| schestowitz | > A Dell technician helping a woman named Tara recover pictures of her boyfiend | Jul 31 16:23 |
| schestowitz | > helped himself to racy pictures and took her on a year long blackmail and con | Jul 31 16:23 |
| schestowitz | > job with love letters, credit card fraud and her nude pictures posted on | Jul 31 16:23 |
| schestowitz | > a "bitchtara" website. | Jul 31 16:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 31 16:23 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.rgj.com/article/20100729/NEWS13/100729021/1321/news | Jul 31 16:23 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Outsourcing nightmare: Sacramento woman describes Dell tech support abuse (watch video report) | rgj.com | The Reno Gazette-Journal .::. Size~: 68.27 KB | Jul 31 16:24 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 31 16:24 |
| schestowitz | > "She gave the technician permission to access her computer remotely and | Jul 31 16:24 |
| schestowitz | > watched as he found the pictures and downloaded them. 'I trusted him because | Jul 31 16:24 |
| schestowitz | > he was a Dell technician ... I've been violated. My life's been violated'." | Jul 31 16:24 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 31 16:24 |
| schestowitz | > This woman's story is sad but worse things are probably happening all the | Jul 31 16:24 |
| schestowitz | > time. Non free software can not be inspected for malicious features and | Jul 31 16:24 |
| schestowitz | > Windows is completely insecure, so Microsoft, OEM technicians and botnet | Jul 31 16:24 |
| schestowitz | > owners have full access to people's private documents if they want it. Newer | Jul 31 16:24 |
| schestowitz | > versions of Windows like Vista/Windows 7 actually make things worse by | Jul 31 16:24 |
| schestowitz | > indexing everything the user does and establishing encrypted communications | Jul 31 16:24 |
| schestowitz | > to Microsoft by default. Apple users should not imagine themselves above | Jul 31 16:24 |
| schestowitz | > these kinds of problems. | Jul 31 16:24 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 31 16:24 |
| schestowitz | > The moral is that people should only run community administered, free software | Jul 31 16:24 |
| schestowitz | > like Debian GNU/Linux, and should only have them serviced by trusted, local | Jul 31 16:24 |
| schestowitz | > technicians. Nothing can protect people from violations of trust but free | Jul 31 16:24 |
| schestowitz | > software greatly reduces the odds. The Windows EULA gives Microsoft the | Jul 31 16:24 |
| schestowitz | > right to inspect and delete your files at their their discression. Free | Jul 31 16:24 |
| schestowitz | > software has excellent remote access capability but the user is always in | Jul 31 16:24 |
| schestowitz | > control. Windows is owned by Microsoft and will always serve Microsoft at | Jul 31 16:24 |
| schestowitz | > the user's expense. Non free software users have even less privacy than the | Jul 31 16:24 |
| schestowitz | > hapless Winston of 1984 who could hide in a corner and write a private diary. | Jul 31 16:24 |
| schestowitz | My best friend recently was a victim of something similar, but he never went into specifics (for obvious reasons, I wouldn't want to sink my nose where it doesn't belong) | Jul 31 16:24 |
| schestowitz | [Saturday 31 Jul 2010] [13:44:04] <sesomeone>Really I am meant to be flying to Sweden today | Jul 31 16:25 |
| schestowitz | [Saturday 31 Jul 2010] [13:44:05] <someone>,but can't | Jul 31 16:25 |
| schestowitz | [Saturday 31 Jul 2010] [13:44:17] <someone>I didn't want to go really on my birthday anyway, but sorting out a new passport on Monday will be a bitch | Jul 31 16:25 |
| schestowitz | [Saturday 31 Jul 2010] [13:44:28] <someone>since my Dad lost my current passport! | Jul 31 16:25 |
| schestowitz | [Saturday 31 Jul 2010] [13:44:44] <someone>and then yeah maybe can fly on Monday instead | Jul 31 16:25 |
| schestowitz | [Saturday 31 Jul 2010] [13:44:56] <someone>mother, and older brother, and little brother, going today though | Jul 31 16:25 |
| schestowitz | [Saturday 31 Jul 2010] [13:49:21] <schestowitz>Two weeks ago I met a friend of mine frokm Sweden | Jul 31 16:25 |
| schestowitz | [Saturday 31 Jul 2010] [13:49:29] <schestowitz>She moves back to Stockholm | Jul 31 16:25 |
| schestowitz | [Saturday 31 Jul 2010] [13:50:12] <someone>oh | Jul 31 16:25 |
| schestowitz | [Saturday 31 Jul 2010] [13:50:13] <someone>ok | Jul 31 16:25 |
| schestowitz | [Saturday 31 Jul 2010] [13:50:20] <schestowitz>I'm not sure what you're doing in the UK, still; the Swedish economy is a lot more abundant | Jul 31 16:25 |
| schestowitz | [Saturday 31 Jul 2010] [13:50:31] <someone>uh | Jul 31 16:25 |
| schestowitz | [Saturday 31 Jul 2010] [13:50:40] <someone>I have lived in England most of my life | Jul 31 16:25 |
| schestowitz | [Saturday 31 Jul 2010] [13:50:43] <someone>was born in Sweden though | Jul 31 16:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/30/anti-defamation-leag.html | Jul 31 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | Stupid Semite group | Jul 31 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Bullying opposition | Jul 31 19:04 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0730/adl-joins-bigots-opposing-gmosque/ | Jul 31 19:04 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Anti-racist ADL joins bigots in opposing Ground Zero mosque | Raw Story .::. Size~: 76.05 KB | Jul 31 19:04 |
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