| cubezzz | Fedora bent over backwards making sure it didn't have any infringing code | Apr 05 00:00 |
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| MinceR | and so your "proof" consists of handwaving and saying "trust me, i know" | Apr 05 00:00 |
| MinceR | the only people who are going to accept that as "proof" are other m$ apologists. | Apr 05 00:00 |
| yuhong | OK, thanks for teaching me a lesson. | Apr 05 00:01 |
| MinceR | np | Apr 05 00:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/03/29/fbi-arrests-man-who-made-youtube-threat-against-cantor | Apr 05 00:01 |
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| yuhong | I didn't keep saying "I don't go that far" after others provided evidence, which I believed. | Apr 05 00:02 |
| cubezzz | MinceR, what was wrong with AmigaOS? | Apr 05 00:02 |
| yuhong | I didn't keep saying "I don't go that far" after others provided evidence, many of which I believed. | Apr 05 00:02 |
| cubezzz | just curious | Apr 05 00:02 |
| yuhong | I understand the logic behind the particular claim now. | Apr 05 00:02 |
| schestowitz | AmigaOS didn't have enough amigos? | Apr 05 00:02 |
| yuhong | I understand the logic behind the particular claim I was trying to rebuke now. | Apr 05 00:02 |
| MinceR | cubezzz: iirc not much was _wrong_ with it, it's just that technology has progressed a lot since then. | Apr 05 00:02 |
| yuhong | And I know what they were talking about. | Apr 05 00:03 |
| schestowitz | AmigaOS is A mig in a world of f-xx | Apr 05 00:03 |
| MinceR | yuhong: if it stands up to your standards, it's probably easy to "understand" | Apr 05 00:03 |
| MinceR | along the lines of "trust me, i know" | Apr 05 00:03 |
| yuhong | Which they do. | Apr 05 00:04 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: recipe for Darwin Award | Apr 05 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Famous "last words" | Apr 05 00:04 |
| yuhong | The evidence they cited to rebunk my argument, many meet my standard. | Apr 05 00:04 |
| yuhong | And I didn't rebuke them. | Apr 05 00:04 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: m$ fanboys tend to evade natural selection though | Apr 05 00:04 |
| yuhong | Those that didn't, I asked them to provide details. | Apr 05 00:05 |
| yuhong | Like this one: | Apr 05 00:05 |
| yuhong | http://techrights.org/2010/04/03/windows-7-battery-issues-confirmed/#comment-87772 | Apr 05 00:05 |
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| MinceR | yuhong: of course you didn't "rebuke" them, as you've "rebuked" them (read: said "i would not go that far") already when they stated their views. | Apr 05 00:05 |
| yuhong | Yea, to be more precise, I was trying to ask to provide details to support the claim. | Apr 05 00:07 |
| yuhong | Which is not exactly rebuttal. | Apr 05 00:07 |
| yuhong | But could be the first step to doing so. | Apr 05 00:07 |
| MinceR | could be, if 1) you were right and 2) you were knowledgeable about the subject | Apr 05 00:08 |
| schestowitz | Whoa. Big numbers there. http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/04/01/does-twitter-have-over-100-million-users Twitter ain't dying | Apr 05 00:09 |
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| schestowitz | Disney is close to Jobs, so... http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/04/02/disney-offers-host-of-apps-for-ipad | Apr 05 00:09 |
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| yuhong | So in summary I did say "I would not go that far", but didn't keep saying that after others provided evidence. | Apr 05 00:10 |
| yuhong | Most of which I believed. | Apr 05 00:10 |
| MinceR | yuhong: wow, you must be a real hero | Apr 05 00:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.episodic.com/episodic-joins-google/ | Apr 05 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | Google gobbles | Apr 05 00:10 |
| yuhong | I understand the logic behind the claim now. | Apr 05 00:11 |
| yuhong | I understand the logic behind the claim now, thanks to the evidence they provided. | Apr 05 00:11 |
| yuhong | Get it now? | Apr 05 00:11 |
| MinceR | yuhong: so in summary your method of "rebuking" someone looks like this: RandomGuy says something a m$ apologist wouldn't like; <yuhong> i would not go that far; RandomGuy presents evidence that he's right | Apr 05 00:12 |
| MinceR | and you consider that "debate" "won". | Apr 05 00:12 |
| yuhong | Sometimes. | Apr 05 00:13 |
| yuhong | I sometimes use other methods too. | Apr 05 00:13 |
| MinceR | are they similarly sound? | Apr 05 00:13 |
| yuhong | Not sure. | Apr 05 00:13 |
| MinceR | say, using "you're wrong!" instead of "i would not go that far"? | Apr 05 00:13 |
| yuhong | Nope. | Apr 05 00:13 |
| MinceR | (that would be a very clever "reasoning" indeed!) | Apr 05 00:14 |
| yuhong | http://slashdot.org/~yuhong/ | Apr 05 00:14 |
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| yuhong | Look at my slashdot comments. | Apr 05 00:14 |
| yuhong | Notice some of the other methods I use. | Apr 05 00:14 |
| MinceR | yes, i can see the "sounds like Alex Brown" argument too | Apr 05 00:14 |
| MinceR | very clever | Apr 05 00:14 |
| yuhong | Yes. | Apr 05 00:15 |
| MinceR | lol, "MS would probably eventually reform" | Apr 05 00:15 |
| yuhong | Which I discussed before. | Apr 05 00:15 |
| yuhong | I often say "probably" when I am not exactly sure, for example when I was discussing the census. | Apr 05 00:16 |
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| yuhong | The reason I said "probably" is that I could not find the actual census form, so I could not prove it. | Apr 05 00:16 |
| yuhong | Others responded, and I am OK with it. | Apr 05 00:17 |
| MinceR | wow, out of the cases when you can't prove anything you actually realize you can't prove it? | Apr 05 00:17 |
| MinceR | once? | Apr 05 00:17 |
| yuhong | Yes. | Apr 05 00:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] New blog post: OMNewRotate 0.5.7 is out! http://blog.1407.org/2010/04/04/omnewrotate-0-5-7-is-out/ | Apr 05 00:17 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Project to create a learning tool for Hindi Alphabats for OLPC and Edubuntu. http://post.ly/Xp8S | Apr 05 00:17 | |
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| yuhong | And that is why I said the word "probably". | Apr 05 00:17 |
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| MinceR | you shouldn't have said anything | Apr 05 00:18 |
| MinceR | since you didn't know anything (as usual) | Apr 05 00:18 |
| MinceR | all you have is blind faith in m$ | Apr 05 00:18 |
| yuhong | No, I don't. | Apr 05 00:18 |
| yuhong | I know about the OOXML disasters, and notice I didn't try to defend OOXML. | Apr 05 00:18 |
| yuhong | ISO was corrupted by MS, and so was ECMA. | Apr 05 00:19 |
| MinceR | and so were major OEMs | Apr 05 00:20 |
| MinceR | and many governments | Apr 05 00:20 |
| yuhong | And I am not defending that. | Apr 05 00:21 |
| yuhong | I never did, I think it was truly bad and always made it clear that ODF was better. | Apr 05 00:21 |
| MinceR | so you're only defending their useless (at least for the parts they didn't steal from others) "technology"? | Apr 05 00:21 |
| MinceR | or are you also defending their business practices? | Apr 05 00:21 |
| yuhong | I am not defending the business practices. | Apr 05 00:22 |
| yuhong | They were horrible. | Apr 05 00:22 |
| MinceR | were? | Apr 05 00:22 |
| MinceR | are you implying they changed at some point? | Apr 05 00:22 |
| yuhong | No. | Apr 05 00:22 |
| yuhong | I am not defending the MS-Novell deal either. | Apr 05 00:22 |
| yuhong | It was very shady. | Apr 05 00:22 |
| yuhong | Took advantage of a loophole in the GPL. | Apr 05 00:23 |
| yuhong | I pay very little attension to SUSE in fact. | Apr 05 00:23 |
| MinceR | are you defending the "operating system" (if it even merits being called that) where failing to do something that every single other multitasking OS does properly was defended by saying "oh, that's oh so very difficult to do because you need to do multiple things at the same time!"? | Apr 05 00:24 |
| yuhong | Are you talking about DOS? | Apr 05 00:24 |
| MinceR | no, i'm talking about vista | Apr 05 00:24 |
| MinceR | the discussion that was linked many times about how horribly pathetic the audio system of vista is | Apr 05 00:25 |
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| yuhong | I know, and I am not defending that. | Apr 05 00:25 |
| MinceR | but yes, somehow even dos could manage audio without such skips even though it wasn't even a multitasking os | Apr 05 00:25 |
| yuhong | Actually, I am. | Apr 05 00:25 |
| MinceR | makes vista look like something from the stone age | Apr 05 00:25 |
| yuhong | Actually, I am defending Vista's audio system, but only this part. | Apr 05 00:26 |
| Ziodotmatrix | MinceR: depends on the bitrate and hardware | Apr 05 00:26 |
| MinceR | only the part that was shown to be horribly broken, even though pretty much everyone else managed to do it right? | Apr 05 00:26 |
| yuhong | I know that the Vista audio system rewrite was troublesome, and I am not defending that. | Apr 05 00:26 |
| yuhong | Yea. | Apr 05 00:26 |
| yuhong | Are you referring to the networking issue, or another issue with Vista's audio, just to clarify? | Apr 05 00:27 |
| Ziodotmatrix | MinceR: the problem is also soundcard manufaturers writting poor drivers or lack of support altogether. That could be due to the audio stack. | Apr 05 00:27 |
| yuhong | Yea, I heard Sound Blaster Xi-Fi was troublesome. | Apr 05 00:28 |
| Ziodotmatrix | yuhong: I read that too and Philips has no drivers that absolutely support it. | Apr 05 00:28 |
| yuhong | With creative suppressing driver hacks. | Apr 05 00:29 |
| yuhong | Vista 64's driver signing made me think of such hacks, BTW. | Apr 05 00:30 |
| MinceR | yuhong: where your favorite OS slows down networking to make audio not suck because "waaaaaaah, it's so difficult to do, i wish i wasn't a code monkey!" | Apr 05 00:30 |
| MinceR | maybe they should have stolen the audio stack from freebsd | Apr 05 00:31 |
| MinceR | they have plenty of experience of stealing code from freebsd anyway | Apr 05 00:31 |
| yuhong | "because "waaaaaaah, it's so difficult to do, i wish i wasn't a code monkey!"" Where in Larry Osterman's article did it say it was difficult | Apr 05 00:31 |
| Ziodotmatrix | MinceR: I thought that was Apple? | Apr 05 00:31 |
| yuhong | I know. | Apr 05 00:31 |
| MinceR | Ziodotmatrix: m$ and crApple are more similar to each other than you'd think | Apr 05 00:31 |
| yuhong | Not exactly, but that is a different matter. | Apr 05 00:32 |
| MinceR | Ziodotmatrix: crApple realized earlier that they can't code their way out of a paper bag so they ripped more code out of freebsd already. | Apr 05 00:32 |
| yuhong | " crApple realized earlier that they can't code their way out of a paper bag " Really? | Apr 05 00:32 |
| Ziodotmatrix | MinceR: I thought Apple was all about being IP pirates while MS just suppressing stuff. | Apr 05 00:32 |
| yuhong | But anyway, it actually came from NeXT, I think. | Apr 05 00:33 |
| MinceR | Ziodotmatrix: they both steal code, they both try to suppress the competition instead of competing | Apr 05 00:33 |
| MinceR | yuhong: and guess where it got into next from | Apr 05 00:33 |
| yuhong | Mach. | Apr 05 00:33 |
| Ziodotmatrix | MinceR: true | Apr 05 00:33 |
| yuhong | Avie a Mach developer was hired into NeXT. | Apr 05 00:34 |
| MinceR | yuhong: osterman's article tries to wash m$ by saying that it's difficult to do | Apr 05 00:34 |
| yuhong | By Steve Jobs. | Apr 05 00:34 |
| MinceR | yuhong: which equates to saying "waaaaaaah, it's so difficult to do, i wish i wasn't a code monkey!" where every competitor could do it right. | Apr 05 00:34 |
| yuhong | Agree, no excuse. | Apr 05 00:34 |
| MinceR | yuhong: yes, buying a single developer must be enough | Apr 05 00:34 |
| MinceR | yuhong: i suppose he was also a freebsd developer? | Apr 05 00:34 |
| yuhong | Nope, I don't think so. | Apr 05 00:35 |
| yuhong | It was before FreeBSD even existed. | Apr 05 00:35 |
| MinceR | right, their contributions don't matter | Apr 05 00:35 |
| yuhong | In around late 1980s. | Apr 05 00:35 |
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| MinceR | yet there's a lot of bsd code bolted on top of mach inside osx | Apr 05 00:35 |
| yuhong | Yes. | Apr 05 00:35 |
| MinceR | (while the marketroids keep saying it's a microkernel. ludicrous.) | Apr 05 00:35 |
| yuhong | True. | Apr 05 00:36 |
| Ziodotmatrix | MinceR: there is no mainstream OS with a microkernel. | Apr 05 00:36 |
| MinceR | Ziodotmatrix: indeed. | Apr 05 00:36 |
| yuhong | True too, unfortunately. | Apr 05 00:36 |
| MinceR | i hope someday GNU HURD will be. | Apr 05 00:36 |
| MinceR | mainstream, that is. | Apr 05 00:37 |
| Ziodotmatrix | MinceR: what would you consider the likes of WebOS and Android? | Apr 05 00:37 |
| MinceR | Ziodotmatrix: monolithic, since they're Linux-based. | Apr 05 00:38 |
| yuhong | Agreed that just because it is difficult is not a good excuse. | Apr 05 00:38 |
| MinceR | Ziodotmatrix: and i'd say Android is mainstream already | Apr 05 00:39 |
| yuhong | And they did mention more exactly the mistake that was made. | Apr 05 00:39 |
| yuhong | "By Friday, we'd pretty much figured out what was going on and why different groups were seeing different results - it turns out that the issue was highly dependent on your network topology and the amount of data you were pumping through your network adapter - the reason I hadn't been able to reproduce it is that I only have a 100mbit Ethernet adapter in my office - you can get the problem... | Apr 05 00:39 |
| yuhong | ...to reproduce on 100mbit networks, but you've really got to work at it to make it visible. " | Apr 05 00:39 |
| yuhong | Basically not testing on gigabit. | Apr 05 00:40 |
| MinceR | basically not testing. | Apr 05 00:40 |
| MinceR | as usual. | Apr 05 00:40 |
| yuhong | Yes. | Apr 05 00:40 |
| MinceR | see also gates' earlier quoted remarks on what bugs he considers important enough to fix. | Apr 05 00:40 |
| MinceR | m$'s corporate culture is incompatible with good engineering. | Apr 05 00:41 |
| Ziodotmatrix | MinceR: there's another microkernel out that uses similar command lines of Linux, I forgot the name though. I think it start with a J. | Apr 05 00:41 |
| MinceR | and it shows. | Apr 05 00:41 |
| yuhong | Yes, I have seen another such excuse too on another blog. | Apr 05 00:41 |
| MinceR | Ziodotmatrix: dunno | Apr 05 00:41 |
| MinceR | Ziodotmatrix: but there's L4Linux and QNX | Apr 05 00:41 |
| MinceR | (though my experiences with QNX were underwhelming to say the least.) | Apr 05 00:42 |
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| yuhong | OK, I will do research. | Apr 05 00:42 |
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| Ziodotmatrix | MinceR: hold on, I'll find it | Apr 05 00:42 |
| MinceR | ok | Apr 05 00:42 |
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| schestowitz | [00:19] <yuhong> ISO was corrupted by MS, and so was ECMA. | Apr 05 00:44 |
| schestowitz | ACMA was corrupt before | Apr 05 00:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/011054.html | Apr 05 00:45 |
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| schestowitz | Why hasn't anyone invented purely decimal time system? | Apr 05 00:46 |
| schestowitz | We're still using Babylonian one | Apr 05 00:46 |
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| yuhong | Guess what I found: | Apr 05 00:46 |
| schestowitz | a nickle? | Apr 05 00:46 |
| yuhong | http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2006/03/vista-2007-fire-leadership-now.html?showComment=1143069378163#c114306937816003665 | Apr 05 00:46 |
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| schestowitz | *nickel | Apr 05 00:46 |
| yuhong | Note that SteveSi later took over Win7, and that is part of why Win7 was better than Vista. | Apr 05 00:47 |
| yuhong | MinceR: http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2006/03/vista-2007-fire-leadership-now.html?showComment=1143069378163#c114306937816003665 | Apr 05 00:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0402/bachmann-pelosi-incite-something/ | Apr 05 00:49 |
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| MinceR | yuhong: what's that? | Apr 05 00:49 |
| yuhong | An admission of MS's culture. | Apr 05 00:49 |
| MinceR | ic | Apr 05 00:49 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: http://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+sinofsky&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GB | Apr 05 00:49 |
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| yuhong | Take a look. | Apr 05 00:49 |
| MinceR | well, the Halloween Documents, the Comes letters and various public utterances already reveal m$'s culture, but i'll take a look | Apr 05 00:50 |
| MinceR | i doubt their mission stated under "About" is possible anyway | Apr 05 00:50 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* watch this photo. http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0402/obama-calls-beck-limbaugh/ | Apr 05 00:51 |
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| yuhong | http://scobleizer.com/2006/03/22/windows-vista-delayed/#comment-9634977 | Apr 05 00:52 |
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| yuhong | "The quality of software is determined by management first and culture second. Microsoft suffers on both. " | Apr 05 00:53 |
| yuhong | MinceR: http://scobleizer.com/2006/03/22/windows-vista-delayed/#comment-9634977 | Apr 05 00:53 |
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| yuhong | "i doubt their mission stated under "About" is possible anyway" I would not go that far, but it is a different topic. | Apr 05 00:54 |
| Ziodotmatrix | MinceR: ddnt find it yet but there is this interesting mirokernel that looks to be a kind of update of Mach called KeyOS | Apr 05 00:54 |
| yuhong | "i doubt their mission stated under "About" is possible anyway" That is a different topic. | Apr 05 00:54 |
| MinceR | Ziodotmatrix: never heard of it :) | Apr 05 00:54 |
| MinceR | yuhong: i think that m$ leadership's delusions of grandeur will pretty much ensure that m$ will collapse once their sales can no longer sustain them at the size they have now. | Apr 05 00:55 |
| MinceR | yuhong: and the world will be better for it. | Apr 05 00:55 |
| yuhong | Which is why I was thinking about getting Steve Ballmer out. | Apr 05 00:56 |
| Ziodotmatrix | MinceR: I wish I can paste it but this wIRC application on my Pre Plus lacks an Edit submenu in the toolbar above, argh | Apr 05 00:56 |
| yuhong | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1604884&cid=31714000 | Apr 05 00:56 |
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| MinceR | yuhong: there are others | Apr 05 00:56 |
| MinceR | yuhong: pals of gates and ballmer | Apr 05 00:57 |
| yuhong | Yes, but getting the CEO out is the first step. | Apr 05 00:57 |
| yuhong | When the new CEO comes in, he will be able to fix the rest. | Apr 05 00:57 |
| yuhong | Boycott Novell had that as a prediction | Apr 05 00:58 |
| MinceR | just like when gates was replaced with ballmer? | Apr 05 00:58 |
| MinceR | oh wait, that was "more of the same" | Apr 05 00:58 |
| yuhong | Yes. | Apr 05 00:58 |
| yuhong | I am suggesting talent hired from outside be the new CEO. | Apr 05 00:59 |
| schestowitz | Everything you reference is Microsoft blogs | Apr 05 00:59 |
| schestowitz | Are you sure you're not stuck in echo chabers? | Apr 05 00:59 |
| yuhong | No. | Apr 05 00:59 |
| schestowitz | I read many sites, inc. about Microsoft (a lot) | Apr 05 01:00 |
| yuhong | I read a lot more than MS blogs. | Apr 05 01:00 |
| schestowitz | You ref Scoble, Mini, MSDN... | Apr 05 01:00 |
| schestowitz | http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/04/02/ipad.icade.games/index.html | Apr 05 01:00 |
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| schestowitz | Meh | Apr 05 01:00 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: he believes in m$ easier if he doesn't read anything reasonable | Apr 05 01:00 |
| yuhong | Ars, TechCrunch, WSJ... | Apr 05 01:00 |
| Ziodotmatrix | MinceR: http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/6.828/2009/lec/l-microkernel.html there it is | Apr 05 01:00 |
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| yuhong | Ars, TechCrunch, WSJ, and a lot more.. | Apr 05 01:01 |
| schestowitz | [00:59] <yuhong> I am suggesting talent hired from outside be the new CEO. | Apr 05 01:01 |
| schestowitz | *cough* talent | Apr 05 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Da Costa? | Apr 05 01:01 |
| Ziodotmatrix | MinceR: I knew this device had a paste command they just don't make it obvious | Apr 05 01:01 |
| yuhong | Nope. | Apr 05 01:01 |
| MinceR | Ziodotmatrix: :) | Apr 05 01:01 |
| MinceR | Ziodotmatrix: how far has KeyKOS/KeyNIX progressed thus far? | Apr 05 01:01 |
| yuhong | There is a reason I say "hired from outside". | Apr 05 01:01 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: de icaza? | Apr 05 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Ziodotmatrix: whereabouts are you using it? | Apr 05 01:01 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz: " | Apr 05 01:02 |
| schestowitz | No, Da Costa | Apr 05 01:02 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz: the Pre? on Verizon | Apr 05 01:02 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2010/04/03/windows-7-battery-issues-confirmed/ | Apr 05 01:02 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@DarthNader I wonder what Pat Robertson's take is on the #earthquake that just hit. // Gawd's punishment for embracing #socialism! #gop | Apr 05 01:02 | |
| yuhong | On Mono, I think the real concern is GNOME being entirely dependent on Mono. | Apr 05 01:02 |
| schestowitz | Ziodotmatrix: I mean, outside home? | Apr 05 01:03 |
| yuhong | Replacing a few apps is easy. | Apr 05 01:03 |
| schestowitz | Many would not | Apr 05 01:03 |
| schestowitz | Defaults matter | Apr 05 01:03 |
| yuhong | But I heard that GNOME 4.0 may be entirely dependent on Mono. | Apr 05 01:03 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz: no I'm using it at home while pacing about, I just got back from work and didn't feel like waiting for my PC to boot up. I also want to learn more about this device as I go along. | Apr 05 01:04 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: no | Apr 05 01:04 |
| schestowitz | That's from an old interview with Microsoft's "pet monkey" as Slated calls him | Apr 05 01:04 |
| MinceR | it would be funny of m$'s next CEO was de icaza | Apr 05 01:04 |
| yuhong | I hope not. | Apr 05 01:05 |
| schestowitz | He can't | Apr 05 01:05 |
| schestowitz | Someone like Ozzie might | Apr 05 01:05 |
| schestowitz | But we need Ballmer | Apr 05 01:05 |
| schestowitz | he makes Microsoft look bad | Apr 05 01:05 |
| schestowitz | As it deserves... | Apr 05 01:05 |
| MinceR | m$ makes itself look bad, but indeed ballmer helps | Apr 05 01:06 |
| Ziodotmatrix | I'm actually using over Wifi now, it's more battery efficient that way | Apr 05 01:06 |
| yuhong | "But we need Ballmer" to be out. | Apr 05 01:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/04/explosive_breas.html | Apr 05 01:06 |
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| schestowitz | Fox 'news' | Apr 05 01:06 |
| MinceR | yuhong: yes, you m$ apologists do | Apr 05 01:06 |
| yuhong | "you m$ apologists do" | Apr 05 01:07 |
| schestowitz | Ziodotmatrix: yeah, also less pollution | Apr 05 01:07 |
| MinceR | ethernet is even more efficient :> | Apr 05 01:07 |
| schestowitz | Pre uses ARM IIRC | Apr 05 01:07 |
| MinceR | palm spies on webOS users | Apr 05 01:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #NeXT owners/fans, check this out: http://www.nextcomputers.org/ huge files area. #retrocomputing #classiccmp #nextstep | Apr 05 01:07 | |
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| yuhong | "you m$ apologists do" you mean getting me out? | Apr 05 01:07 |
| schestowitz | No | Apr 05 01:08 |
| yuhong | MinceR: "you m$ apologists do" you mean getting me out? | Apr 05 01:08 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: you should know better | Apr 05 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft commits many ethical and practical crimes | Apr 05 01:08 |
| MinceR | yuhong: i mean you (like any m$ apologist) would want to get rid of ballmer | Apr 05 01:08 |
| schestowitz | I will post more tomorrow | Apr 05 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Many heavy fines | Apr 05 01:08 |
| yuhong | Yes, I know. | Apr 05 01:08 |
| MinceR | yuhong: and to get someone who's less of a clown as the new CEO of m$ | Apr 05 01:08 |
| yuhong | So you mean even MS apologists agree? | Apr 05 01:09 |
| MinceR | the fines weren't nearly heavy enough for a company of m$'s size | Apr 05 01:09 |
| MinceR | yuhong: there certainly are things about which m$ apologists agree | Apr 05 01:09 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz: oddly enough Palm promotes it in their tutorial videos, maybe that's why carriers aren't readily accepting them. or it could be two things named the iPhone and Google. | Apr 05 01:09 |
| MinceR | yuhong: but i guess there could be many who idolize ballmer | Apr 05 01:09 |
| yuhong | Of course. | Apr 05 01:09 |
| yuhong | "Microsoft commits many ethical and practical crimes" And many of them I am certainly not defending. | Apr 05 01:10 |
| MinceR | and many of them you are? | Apr 05 01:10 |
| yuhong | Nope. | Apr 05 01:10 |
| MinceR | just a few? | Apr 05 01:11 |
| yuhong | Notice I never defended MS for it's tax dodge, for example. | Apr 05 01:11 |
| yuhong | AARD I am not defending. | Apr 05 01:11 |
| yuhong | And never did. | Apr 05 01:11 |
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| yuhong | I know better than defending these. | Apr 05 01:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1598921/microsoft-patches-gaping-security-hole | Apr 05 01:12 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Microsoft patches a gaping security hole - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 65.31 KB | Apr 05 01:12 |
| Ziodotmatrix | MinceR: if you're interested in KeyOS's progress heres their official page: http://keyos.sourceforge.net/ | Apr 05 01:12 |
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| MinceR | Ziodotmatrix: ic | Apr 05 01:12 |
| Ziodotmatrix | MinceR: they still haven't reached ful POIX compliance which is their goal, but you can still download the current build | Apr 05 01:13 |
| yuhong | I never did defend MS's business practices and shady deals. | Apr 05 01:13 |
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| MinceR | gn | Apr 05 01:14 |
| schestowitz | tessier_: server connectivity issue? | Apr 05 01:15 |
| Ziodotmatrix | MinceR: how often do you scare users away with your staunch opinions regarding MS. vs FOSS? :-P | Apr 05 01:15 |
| MinceR | not sure. often? :> | Apr 05 01:18 |
| MinceR | but i think yuhong is worth "scaring away" because he's just a useless m$ apologist/drive-by troll | Apr 05 01:18 |
| MinceR | he has nothing to contribute | Apr 05 01:18 |
| MinceR | well, except some mild amusement stemming from his delusions of his arguments being effective. | Apr 05 01:18 |
| MinceR | unfortunately, he'll just come back. | Apr 05 01:19 |
| MinceR | also, it isn't just m$ vs. FOSS, it's m$ vs. the rest of the world (except a handful of companies that are flunkies of m$) | Apr 05 01:19 |
| MinceR | for example, m$'s constant push for software patents everywhere is a threat even to all small proprietary software companies that don't serve m$'s agenda | Apr 05 01:20 |
| Ziodotmatrix | MinceR: What about "do no evil" while we collect information and require our apps to keep cookies that leave your system vulnerable Google? | Apr 05 01:20 |
| MinceR | (competitors, for example) | Apr 05 01:20 |
| MinceR | google is certainly evil and their propaganda of "do no evil" is a lie | Apr 05 01:21 |
| MinceR | but they're less evil than m$, at least currently | Apr 05 01:21 |
| MinceR | there's a lot of potential in google to do damage to everyone. | Apr 05 01:21 |
| MinceR | some of google's acts help FLOSS, some of their acts harm it | Apr 05 01:22 |
| Ziodotmatrix | MinceR: yea they make their dough by selling info to preffered advertisers, I guess they at least provide benefits and let you know you're compromising your privacy while using their apps. | Apr 05 01:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/03/29/national/a065359D61.DTL&tsp=1 | Apr 05 01:23 |
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| schestowitz | tessier_: are you around? The server is not responding again, I'm not sure why | Apr 05 01:24 |
| MinceR | Ziodotmatrix: they're also collecting and retaining lots of private data and they could sell it to anyone and will certainly reveal it willingly to most governments that ask nicely. | Apr 05 01:25 |
| MinceR | Ziodotmatrix: their privacy policy (like most privacy policies) seem to contain loopholes | Apr 05 01:25 |
| MinceR | (also, there's always the excuse of "we're just following laws" for revealing data to authorities without court orders or anything) | Apr 05 01:26 |
| Ziodotmatrix | MinceR: they sell whatever info you put in to advertisers, what kind of reasonable expectation of privacy do you or any other person you add to your contacts, buddylist and ect expect? | Apr 05 01:27 |
| Ziodotmatrix | MinceR: at least they don't provide as many backdoors as Facebook | Apr 05 01:28 |
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| MinceR | facebook seems to be allied with m$. it doesn't really get much worse than that. | Apr 05 01:29 |
| yuhong | boycottnovell.com isn't working. | Apr 05 01:29 |
| MinceR | that's known already. | Apr 05 01:29 |
| yuhong | Anyone know why? | Apr 05 01:29 |
| Ziodotmatrix | MS. hackers! | Apr 05 01:30 |
| yuhong | MinceR: Yea, I heard about Facebook and Microsoft. | Apr 05 01:32 |
| yuhong | schestowitz: why Techrights (BN) is down? | Apr 05 01:32 |
| schestowitz | I don't know yet | Apr 05 01:32 |
| schestowitz | We had the same issue this morning | Apr 05 01:32 |
| Ziodotmatrix | MinceR: Btw I finally found that microkernel that starts with a J :-) : http://jarios.org/node/14 | Apr 05 01:33 |
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| yuhong | MinceR: The matter of me being an MS apologist was discussed before on IRC. | Apr 05 01:33 |
| yuhong | See old IRC logs. | Apr 05 01:33 |
| MinceR | another OS i haven't heard of before :) | Apr 05 01:33 |
| MinceR | yuhong: i know, and you still are a m$ apologist. | Apr 05 01:33 |
| yuhong | Not always. | Apr 05 01:33 |
| MinceR | that is not an intermittent condition. | Apr 05 01:34 |
| yuhong | Evidence from before this? | Apr 05 01:34 |
| MinceR | your posts/messages speak for themselves. | Apr 05 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Site back | Apr 05 01:34 |
| yuhong | I even helped Linux developers on LKML. | Apr 05 01:34 |
| yuhong | A little. | Apr 05 01:34 |
| yuhong | !google yuhong site:lkml.org | Apr 05 01:35 |
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| MinceR | see, now you killed the bot | Apr 05 01:35 |
| schestowitz | It seems possible that the server had some connection issue, I don't know | Apr 05 01:35 |
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| phIRCe-BNcom | Hello World! | Apr 05 01:35 |
| yuhong | schestowitz: Do you agree with MinceR? | Apr 05 01:35 |
| yuhong | schestowitz: Do you agree with MinceR? | Apr 05 01:36 |
| yuhong | If no, can you help defend? | Apr 05 01:37 |
| MinceR | yuhong: no need to flood the channel with repeated lines. | Apr 05 01:37 |
| yuhong | Sorry, I sometime do this. | Apr 05 01:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/01/us/01nsa.html?src=twt&twt=nytimes | Apr 05 01:38 |
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| yuhong | I know. | Apr 05 01:38 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFOX does the same thing | Apr 05 01:38 |
| yuhong | What? | Apr 05 01:38 |
| MinceR | the site is up again | Apr 05 01:39 |
| yuhong | Ok. | Apr 05 01:40 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz: it usually takes a federal judge with common sense and interest in truly upholding the law to point out the obvious to other branches. | Apr 05 01:40 |
| MinceR | (not my doing, just noticed.) | Apr 05 01:40 |
| schestowitz | Did KDE4 removes kate's ability to change undo stack size? | Apr 05 01:41 |
| schestowitz | I can't seem to find some crucial options | Apr 05 01:41 |
| schestowitz | Carla from LT complained about Kate in 4.x | Apr 05 01:41 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz: the only exception in which a federal judge wasn't responsible for helping in forgin great benefitial change or reversing tyranny was the Civil Rights Movement. | Apr 05 01:41 |
| yuhong | Does phIRCe support searching with site:? Anyone know? | Apr 05 01:41 |
| yuhong | It is definitely bad that it caused a crash. | Apr 05 01:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/04/01/robot-folds-laundry.html http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/~pabbeel/personal_robotics.html | Apr 05 01:42 |
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| schestowitz | iSlave | Apr 05 01:42 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: I fixed it before, but trmancode wrote some new code, so I lost my changes | Apr 05 01:43 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz: I thought that's what iPad owners are called? | Apr 05 01:43 |
| schestowitz | hypePad? | Apr 05 01:43 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz: correction, iPas leasors as they don't truly own anything on or downloaded into it from iTunes | Apr 05 01:44 |
| schestowitz | iTooons | Apr 05 01:44 |
| schestowitz | :-D | Apr 05 01:44 |
| yuhong | Yep, I know. | Apr 05 01:44 |
| schestowitz | FiReWiRe | Apr 05 01:44 |
| yuhong | Funny. | Apr 05 01:45 |
| schestowitz | It's not so funny... | Apr 05 01:45 |
| schestowitz | Steve Jobs had only a small 'i' | Apr 05 01:45 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz: firewire was actually very good for transferring videos and networking an array of storages for a while | Apr 05 01:45 |
| yuhong | Yea. | Apr 05 01:45 |
| schestowitz | Esp. when he came back to Apple and established things called under his little i | Apr 05 01:45 |
| schestowitz | Ziodotmatrix: yeah, fell behind | Apr 05 01:46 |
| yuhong | Yea, Intel is another origin, i386, i486, ... | Apr 05 01:46 |
| schestowitz | Like many other failed products | Apr 05 01:46 |
| schestowitz | USB 2.0 is fast | Apr 05 01:46 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz: just like PowerPC | Apr 05 01:46 |
| schestowitz | Apple also uses Intel now | Apr 05 01:46 |
| yuhong | Yes, I know about Firewire. | Apr 05 01:46 |
| schestowitz | nanoPad | Apr 05 01:46 |
| yuhong | And before Steve Jobs came back there were also 68k to PowerPC. | Apr 05 01:47 |
| schestowitz | So small you can hardly type in it | Apr 05 01:47 |
| schestowitz | But it's got the Apple logo and it's white | Apr 05 01:47 |
| Ziodotmatrix | yuhong: 68k, you think that platform still had a chance to grow? | Apr 05 01:47 |
| yuhong | There was the 68060, but it was slower than PowerPC. | Apr 05 01:48 |
| schestowitz | Heh. HypePad to tablets is what clitoris is to er... male... rooster? | Apr 05 01:48 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: but Apple tries to make chips now | Apr 05 01:49 |
| schestowitz | Bad mistake | Apr 05 01:49 |
| schestowitz | They make a dependency | Apr 05 01:49 |
| schestowitz | And rely on their chips succeeding | Apr 05 01:49 |
| schestowitz | HypePad received many bad reviewed | Apr 05 01:49 |
| schestowitz | *vied | Apr 05 01:49 |
| schestowitz | *>vies | Apr 05 01:49 |
| yuhong | Personally I am no fan of these kinds of alternative names, notice I never used names like M$, Vista 7, etc... | Apr 05 01:49 |
| schestowitz | And they even bribed Apple fans with beta versions to generate good and fake reviewed | Apr 05 01:50 |
| schestowitz | *reviews | Apr 05 01:50 |
| schestowitz | I can't type that word | Apr 05 01:50 |
| yuhong | Now, that is kind of borderlike, as you discussed before. | Apr 05 01:50 |
| schestowitz | Yes, it's not grotesque | Apr 05 01:50 |
| yuhong | And yes I remember when they bought PA Semi. | Apr 05 01:50 |
| yuhong | Now, that is kind of borderline, as you discussed before. | Apr 05 01:51 |
| schestowitz | Did Microsoft ever ship you something? | Apr 05 01:51 |
| Ziodotmatrix | yuhong: some folks are trying to continue it's work with project NATAMI which combines 68k with an FPGA: http://www.natami.net/ | Apr 05 01:51 |
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| *MinceR never expected a m$ apologist to use names like "m$" or "vista7" | Apr 05 01:51 | |
| schestowitz | jono tried to send me a Ubuntu shirt | Apr 05 01:51 |
| schestowitz | I never got one | Apr 05 01:51 |
| yuhong | My parents tried to enroll me in DreamSpark, I said I didn't want to go there. | Apr 05 01:51 |
| schestowitz | Why not? | Apr 05 01:51 |
| schestowitz | Look at the name | Apr 05 01:52 |
| yuhong | I am no fan of gaming in general. | Apr 05 01:52 |
| schestowitz | Dream | Apr 05 01:52 |
| schestowitz | SPARK | Apr 05 01:52 |
| yuhong | I know. | Apr 05 01:52 |
| schestowitz | What's NOT to like? | Apr 05 01:52 |
| yuhong | I didn't like it. | Apr 05 01:52 |
| schestowitz | never mind, it was a joke | Apr 05 01:52 |
| schestowitz | Like *Spark is a joke | Apr 05 01:52 |
| yuhong | I remember receiving an Xbox 360 game as part of it, which was useless as I don't have an Xbox. | Apr 05 01:53 |
| schestowitz | [Biz|Website|Dream]Spark | Apr 05 01:53 |
| schestowitz | DieselSpark | Apr 05 01:53 |
| schestowitz | Yes, please | Apr 05 01:53 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: so go buy an Xbox | Apr 05 01:53 |
| yuhong | And I mentioned this when mom tried to stick the game disc into the computer. | Apr 05 01:53 |
| schestowitz | Donate a tire to children in Chad, too | Apr 05 01:53 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz: Apple bought PA Semi only because their founding engineers designed the original StrongARM CPU. They now designed the A4 SoC for the iPad and future iPhone then leased it to some Chinese company to fabricate. They're not going into the hardware business. | Apr 05 01:54 |
| yuhong | Good thing schestowitz don't consider me an MS apologist. | Apr 05 01:54 |
| schestowitz | Ziodotmatrix: but they sell hardware | Apr 05 01:54 |
| schestowitz | It's made in China and rebranded | Apr 05 01:54 |
| schestowitz | Like Dell's | Apr 05 01:54 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: /s/don't consider/doesn't call/ | Apr 05 01:55 |
| yuhong | Yea, my mom thought they could use software emulation, and I told him buying an Xbox was the only option. | Apr 05 01:55 |
| yuhong | Ok. | Apr 05 01:55 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz: they sell hardware, but for the entire ecosystem package. They are not becoming another Intel, AMD, but maybe Sonyy. | Apr 05 01:55 |
| schestowitz | It's like donating tires to people without a car | Apr 05 01:55 |
| schestowitz | Only it's cheaper to make CDs | Apr 05 01:56 |
| yuhong | Yep. | Apr 05 01:56 |
| schestowitz | Tires actually contain material | Apr 05 01:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/04/02/why-i-wont-buy-an-ipad-and-think-you-shouldnt-either.html | Apr 05 01:56 |
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| yuhong | I won't. | Apr 05 01:56 |
| schestowitz | The text in this page is upside down | Apr 05 01:56 |
| schestowitz | :-p | Apr 05 01:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOyg1GUY18U | Apr 05 01:57 |
| yuhong | I'm no fan of the iPhone or the iPad, BTW. | Apr 05 01:57 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/03/unix-copyrights/ | Apr 05 01:59 |
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| schestowitz | yuhong had a core dump... | Apr 05 01:59 |
| schestowitz | ah wel.. | Apr 05 01:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/04/04/star-wars-sound-effe.html | Apr 05 02:00 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. Darth. | Apr 05 02:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/30/kebab_robot/ | Apr 05 02:02 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/02/us_jobs_report_mar2010/ | Apr 05 02:11 |
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| DaemonFC | "The immediate problem of this town is the garbage mounds. The next 3 week no trash pickup, we should all pitch in and rent a gigantic truck ourself, go around and pack as many bags of stinking, rotting filth as we can into them, and go dump all of it onto Updike's front lawn." :) | Apr 05 02:18 |
| schestowitz | http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/humanoids/040310-geminoid-f-hiroshi-ishiguro-unveils-new-smiling-female-android | Apr 05 02:19 |
| schestowitz | They probably want these in the sex industry | Apr 05 02:19 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Updike looks scary | Apr 05 02:19 |
| schestowitz | After some GIMP touches | Apr 05 02:19 |
| DaemonFC | he looks goofy and inept as he is | Apr 05 02:20 |
| DaemonFC | that's already scary | Apr 05 02:20 |
| DaemonFC | I suggested jsut dumping our trash into his lawn in protest | Apr 05 02:20 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2010/04/02/songbird-singing-a-new-tune/ | Apr 05 02:20 |
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| schestowitz | You use them | Apr 05 02:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | [09:07:04] <schestowitz> http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/humanoids/040310-geminoid-f-hiroshi-ishiguro-unveils-new-smiling-female-android | Apr 05 02:20 |
| schestowitz | In Ubuntu | Apr 05 02:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | as a reminder | Apr 05 02:21 |
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| Diablo-D3 | dont fist the android | Apr 05 02:21 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Apr 05 02:21 |
| schestowitz | Why would anyone do that? | Apr 05 02:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | /m/ actually has a poster for that | Apr 05 02:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | then again, its /m/ | Apr 05 02:21 |
| schestowitz | Some people might concentrate on the details on the feet | Apr 05 02:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | we like giant robots, we also like smaller loli-shaped robots. | Apr 05 02:21 |
| schestowitz | Fisting is disgusting anyway | Apr 05 02:22 |
| schestowitz | Unless a baby gets delivered or something, in which case it's a wholly another subject | Apr 05 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | Most projects with cross platform software let the Linux version go to hell | Apr 05 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | eventually | Apr 05 02:22 |
| schestowitz | No | Apr 05 02:23 |
| DaemonFC | Opera, Mozilla, now Songbird | Apr 05 02:23 |
| schestowitz | But Firefox is not a great example | Apr 05 02:23 |
| schestowitz | Use KDE for example | Apr 05 02:23 |
| schestowitz | Best in Linux | Apr 05 02:23 |
| schestowitz | Some in Windows | Apr 05 02:23 |
| DaemonFC | id's engines run better on Windows | Apr 05 02:23 |
| schestowitz | Mac negelcted | Apr 05 02:23 |
| DaemonFC | run Doom 3 or Quake 4 on Windows and Linux on the same hardware | Apr 05 02:23 |
| DaemonFC | it's not even really an ATI or Nvidia issue | Apr 05 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | "We care about Linux, that's why we're making you lag 3-6 months behind Windows waiting for a stable release" | Apr 05 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | that would be Opera's latest policy | Apr 05 02:25 |
| DaemonFC | there's unstable builds that are maintained for Linux, but the only way to use a "stable" 10.5x is on Windows | Apr 05 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | did they release a Mac version yet? | Apr 05 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | I know that was getting delayed too | Apr 05 02:26 |
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| cubezzz | first person shooters are boring | Apr 05 02:26 |
| schestowitz | gn | Apr 05 02:27 |
| yuhong | So what I can do to stop being an MS apologist? | Apr 05 02:27 |
| cubezzz | I prefer games like Lands of Lore | Apr 05 02:27 |
| DaemonFC | it is a fair enough defense that 90% of their users are on Windows I guess | Apr 05 02:27 |
| yuhong | So what I can do to stop being an MS apologist? | Apr 05 02:27 |
| DaemonFC | but this basically admits they don't really have the resources to maintain Mac and Linux versions of the same quality | Apr 05 02:27 |
| cubezzz | dude, you need to switch to Amiga right away | Apr 05 02:28 |
| cubezzz | it's the only way to atone | Apr 05 02:28 |
| DaemonFC | there's three major reasons Windows is in use | Apr 05 02:28 |
| cubezzz | 1) people are stupid | Apr 05 02:29 |
| yuhong | So what I can do to stop being considered an MS apologist? | Apr 05 02:29 |
| DaemonFC | bad drivers for Linux, no drivers for Linux, or an application they want has no way to run on Linux | Apr 05 02:29 |
| yuhong | MinceR: So what I can do to stop being considered an MS apologist? | Apr 05 02:29 |
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| DaemonFC | most Linux drivers crash your PC if they're proprietary and take 5 years to develop if they're open source | Apr 05 02:30 |
| DaemonFC | by which time the hardware in question isn't even in use | Apr 05 02:30 |
| cubezzz | wrong | Apr 05 02:30 |
| cubezzz | my PC is 12 years old | Apr 05 02:30 |
| DaemonFC | the ATI situation is pitiful | Apr 05 02:30 |
| cubezzz | I'm using it right now | Apr 05 02:30 |
| DaemonFC | and the Nvidia proprietary driver is all you can use | Apr 05 02:30 |
| cubezzz | you know we used to write code | Apr 05 02:31 |
| cubezzz | then everyone got stupid and lazy | Apr 05 02:31 |
| cubezzz | and whiney | Apr 05 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | GPU drivers on Linux are a game of aggravation | Apr 05 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | they historically have been worse, but they're still not good | Apr 05 02:32 |
| cubezzz | and part of all this is manufacturers not giving out docs, the real reason why things are as bad as they are | Apr 05 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | spray and pray | Apr 05 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | spray the documentation around, all 5,000 pages | Apr 05 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | pray that someone writes your driver for you, at their expense | Apr 05 02:33 |
| cubezzz | what did Amiga do? | Apr 05 02:34 |
| cubezzz | they gave out all the specs and the docs | Apr 05 02:34 |
| cubezzz | the result? | Apr 05 02:34 |
| DaemonFC | and where are they now? | Apr 05 02:34 |
| cubezzz | tons of software was produced | Apr 05 02:34 |
| DaemonFC | and where are they now? | Apr 05 02:34 |
| cubezzz | Commodore was mismanaged and they died | Apr 05 02:34 |
| DaemonFC | mmhm | Apr 05 02:34 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia is mismanaged, but they're not going under | Apr 05 02:35 |
| cubezzz | Escom took over for a while | Apr 05 02:35 |
| DaemonFC | delays and cost overruns on "Fermi" are hurting them now | Apr 05 02:35 |
| DaemonFC | ATI has had DirectX 11/OpenGL 4 GPUs out since last year | Apr 05 02:35 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia won't have one until "pending" | Apr 05 02:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | opengl 4? more like opengl 9001 | Apr 05 02:36 |
| cubezzz | if you have docs then someone somewhere will write code | Apr 05 02:37 |
| cubezzz | in the Amiga days we swapped out the entire OS and directly programmed the hardware | Apr 05 02:41 |
| cubezzz | of course, you had the docs for all the chips | Apr 05 02:42 |
| cubezzz | not so nowadays | Apr 05 02:43 |
| cubezzz | in many ways the death of commodore was the death of programming for the fun of it | Apr 05 02:43 |
| cubezzz | welcome to the new age of winmodems and winscanners | Apr 05 02:44 |
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| cubezzz | Commodore really messed up | Apr 05 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Day_(Church_of_the_SubGenius) | Apr 05 02:45 |
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| cubezzz | we didn't have this win-only crap when Commodore was still alive | Apr 05 02:46 |
| cubezzz | some people would never learn down to the register level though | Apr 05 02:47 |
| cubezzz | so is the US economy getting better? | Apr 05 02:53 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] There is nothing wrong in minister's remarks : http://tinyurl.com/y96rt6p Here comes Christian shiv sena #fail | Apr 05 02:58 | |
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| cubezzz | http://unixconsole.blogspot.com/2009/03/death-of-sparc-workstations.html | Apr 05 02:58 |
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| cubezzz | so Sparc really is dead | Apr 05 03:02 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: fragile | Apr 05 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | seems to be bottoming out for now | Apr 05 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | until the UN figures out a new bottom to order us to go to | Apr 05 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | "Gee, wouldn't it be great if we could get the US to start bloodletting to prop up third world countries?" | Apr 05 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | decades later, those countries are still disease-ridden and third world | Apr 05 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | but there are a few very rich Carlos Slim types rolling around in each one of them | Apr 05 03:13 |
| Ziodotmatrix | cubezzz: SPARC isn't dead yet as Oracle intends to keep it around long enough to be a cost effective solution for gigantic databases. | Apr 05 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: How much do you figure I could get a Stryker for? | Apr 05 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | one up all those fake Hummer assholes | Apr 05 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 05 03:15 |
| cubezzz | honestly, I don't know | Apr 05 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stryker | Apr 05 03:15 |
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| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 05 03:15 |
| cubezzz | rather than have the expense of a car I use cabs and buses | Apr 05 03:16 |
| cubezzz | or walk even | Apr 05 03:16 |
| cubezzz | haha | Apr 05 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Electric bicycle seems to be what I'm leaningtowards | Apr 05 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | interim solution | Apr 05 03:17 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, I'd say the Stryker is overkill :) | Apr 05 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | my mom is suing my former step dad | Apr 05 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | I'll probably be driving his Dodge RAM by Fall | Apr 05 03:18 |
| cubezzz | how much for an electric bike? | Apr 05 03:18 |
| DaemonFC | $399 + $120 for extra battery | Apr 05 03:18 |
| DaemonFC | each battery is good for 15 miles at 15 miles per hour | Apr 05 03:18 |
| cubezzz | hmmm, is that used or new price? | Apr 05 03:18 |
| DaemonFC | new | Apr 05 03:18 |
| cubezzz | I used to ride a bike all the time | Apr 05 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: 30 miles is a good range | Apr 05 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | 15 each way with no peddling or 30 one way and stop for 6 hours wherever I go to recharge them | Apr 05 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | and if I run out, I can peddle a few miles if needs be | Apr 05 03:20 |
| DaemonFC | good solution, I think | Apr 05 03:20 |
| cubezzz | yes I agree | Apr 05 03:20 |
| DaemonFC | or I can save battery power and use the motor as an assist for hills | Apr 05 03:21 |
| DaemonFC | there's a bigass hill between here and almost anywhere in town I tend to go | Apr 05 03:21 |
| DaemonFC | so letting the motor do all the work sounds nice | Apr 05 03:21 |
| DaemonFC | right now I have to hop off and walk it up | Apr 05 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | very steep | Apr 05 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | also, secondary battery will be nice if I have extra weight on the bike, like I go to the store and fill the basket with stuff | Apr 05 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | the battery will drain faster obviously | Apr 05 03:23 |
| cubezzz | when you are pedalling does that help the battery recharge? | Apr 05 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Apr 05 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | there's $2,000 models that probably have that | Apr 05 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 05 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: I think the best thing I can do is keep the weight down wherever Ican | Apr 05 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | like detach the basket when I'm not going to the store | Apr 05 03:25 |
| cubezzz | yes it sounds like a good idea... I'll have to look into that | Apr 05 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | the less weight, the further each battery will get me | Apr 05 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | the basket weighs maybe 8-9 pounds | Apr 05 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | the battery could conceivably drain 1-2% faster even with an empty basket | Apr 05 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 05 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | little things here and there to save weight | Apr 05 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | that's why it has an aluminum frame | Apr 05 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: I was looking for compatible lithium ion cells | Apr 05 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | can't find any | Apr 05 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | none come in that shape of battery case | Apr 05 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | with a lithium ion battery pack, I could probably get 20 miles or more on each pack | Apr 05 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | but it may just be cheaper to get a third lead acid if I really need the range | Apr 05 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | really, this is just a lower power version of the sealed lead acid batteries I used in the forklifts I used to drive | Apr 05 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | those batteries weighed well over 500 pounds though | Apr 05 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | if it came off the charger track and landed on your foot, you'd be in the hospital with a broken foot :) | Apr 05 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | these things for the bicycles only weigh about 4-5 pounds | Apr 05 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | I actually had to pull one of those batteries off a guy's foot once | Apr 05 03:32 |
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| DaemonFC | he broke his foot and couldn't move because the bettery had him pinned down | Apr 05 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | so I had to back one of my forks under the battery and lift it up so they could pull him out of there before it decided to fall over on his leg B-) | Apr 05 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | those are some real sons of bitches | Apr 05 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | usually the temps just ran into something and got fired | Apr 05 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | this guy went for the gold medal of stupidity | Apr 05 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: even if I do get Gonad The Barbarian's truck, I still don't want to drive it more than needs be | Apr 05 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | 6 liter V8 doesn't exactly sip gas | Apr 05 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | so the bike is a good investment either way | Apr 05 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | I'll probably end up putting stabil in the tank and leaving it sit there for months out of the year | Apr 05 03:37 |
| cubezzz | probably would be better to drive it once a week | Apr 05 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | probably | Apr 05 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | It's not what I want, but I'll sure as hell take it for free | Apr 05 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | 8 miles per gallon is awful though | Apr 05 03:38 |
| cubezzz | you could sell it | Apr 05 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | that's worse than a Humvee | Apr 05 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: He's like the anti-hippie | Apr 05 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | you know how hippies are always bragging that their Prius gets 50 mpg? | Apr 05 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | He was bragging that his big truck got 8 mpg | Apr 05 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | that's not something to brag about cause it's not cheap to drive it | Apr 05 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | it's bragging that you have a white elephant | Apr 05 03:40 |
| cubezzz | well in the 70's it was like that | Apr 05 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | oil embargo? | Apr 05 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | gas rationing | Apr 05 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | 3 cylinder imports with no shocks or AC appear from nowhere | Apr 05 03:41 |
| cubezzz | they had the v8, it was more common back then | Apr 05 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | that what you meant? | Apr 05 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | yes, I've driven an old Buick with a big block V8 | Apr 05 03:42 |
| cubezzz | look up Land Yacht :) | Apr 05 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | and they are FAST | Apr 05 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | you run into a train and you tell everyone to wait here | Apr 05 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | let you see what you did to the train | Apr 05 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 05 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | I had to pour lead into the gas | Apr 05 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | fun | Apr 05 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | that adds $4 a tank | Apr 05 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | even though it only gets single digit gas mileage to begin with | Apr 05 03:45 |
| Ziodotmatrix | more food serving robots of Eurasia: http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/04/robot-waiters-serve-food-and-dance-moves-in-thailand-secretly-p/ | Apr 05 03:59 |
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| DaemonFC | cubezzz: My cousin has an ipod touch | Apr 05 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | the touch screen fucking sucks | Apr 05 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | you make so many typing errors that a standard keyboard would be twice as fast | Apr 05 05:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude | Apr 05 05:10 |
| WireWulf | heh | Apr 05 05:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | using your mind would be even faster | Apr 05 05:10 |
| WireWulf | touch screens will never replace my kb | Apr 05 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | I was trying to type on the onscreen keyboard it has and every other character was a typo | Apr 05 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | I was like "This keyboard sucks" out loud | Apr 05 05:11 |
| WireWulf | lol | Apr 05 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | I could tell she was hurt that I insulted the gimmicky ipod thing | Apr 05 05:11 |
| WireWulf | i hate to say it my zune is a fairly nice mp3 player | Apr 05 05:12 |
| WireWulf | but i miss my ZEN | Apr 05 05:12 |
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| cubezzz | hummm, LOTR on bluray soon | Apr 05 06:30 |
| cubezzz | nothing in #amiga, nothing in #sparc and nothing in #zaurus | Apr 05 06:45 |
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| DaemonFC | There's a guy that owns a German half-track on TV | Apr 05 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like to drive that around :) | Apr 05 07:21 |
| WireWulf | i would not | Apr 05 07:24 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @drascus #gnuzilla #ubuntu #trisquel #gnewsense #fsf my blog post on why we should use IceCat over Firefox http://wp.me/pEvZO-T | Apr 05 08:31 | |
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| schestowitz | "An Israeli whistleblower/journalist faces a trial for treason, which the media are forbidden to report on, while another journalist has fled into exile. These journalists revealed how the army carried out assassinations in defiance of a court order. The Israeli government, rather than prosecuting the perpetrators of these crimes, seeks to crush the people who revealed them." | Apr 05 08:58 |
| schestowitz | "Consider also the case of the Japanese Greenpeace activists, who face prosecution in Japan because they intercepted stolen whale meat and handed it in to the authorities." | Apr 05 08:58 |
| schestowitz | http://democracyctr.org/blog/2010/03/usbolivia-drug-show.html | Apr 05 08:59 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Now playing - Copying Is Not Theft http://questioncopyright.org/minute_memes/copying_is_not_theft #copyright #song | Apr 05 09:04 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Although Robotron has not returned yet we do have a "convenient new" poster. Check out the "polite" poster who likes to guess what I think. | Apr 05 09:17 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.opendemocracy.net/olliver-bullough/why-are-chechens-so-angry | Apr 05 09:19 |
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| DaemonFC | "You ever notice how people who dispute evolution look really unevolved?..." "God made me in six days!!!" "Yep, looks like it was a rush job!" | Apr 05 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 05 10:34 |
| schestowitz | It looks like Word macros stuff | Apr 05 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | Bill Hicks | Apr 05 10:34 |
| schestowitz | People can see the pattern is familiar. | Apr 05 10:35 |
| schestowitz | Marble | Apr 05 10:35 |
| schestowitz | It also needs to have transparent background | Apr 05 10:35 |
| schestowitz | Damn. I can't find an old script. Going by filenames is so hard | Apr 05 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | of course I use those Gideons bibles as fire starters | Apr 05 10:36 |
| schestowitz | Ah, found it, finally. | Apr 05 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | I hope there's no God after all the marshmallows and all | Apr 05 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | The fire will flame up one evening and my first words to God will be "Hot dog?" | Apr 05 10:39 |
| DaemonFC | "Would offer you a beer but my cooler's kind of down there with my corpse and panicking neighbors..." | Apr 05 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 05 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: What does Marmite taste like? | Apr 05 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | I'm watching an old Mr. Bean episode and he's trying to make party snacks with pieces of tree limb dipped in Marmite cause he's out of food | Apr 05 10:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] #ubuntu now has phone contact sync in Ubuntu One. http://bit.ly/daD29F http://bit.ly/a30mfM | Apr 05 10:53 | |
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| Eruaran | No problem, it was just one thought, an accident really... | Apr 05 11:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Hugging VLC and http://www.nasa.gov/55644main_NASATV_Windows.asx | Apr 05 11:12 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] and @ciemon :) | Apr 05 11:12 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Watching NasaTV on one screen BBC News Live via flash on the other. Forgotten the issues that we had in the past with sound. | Apr 05 11:20 | |
| MinceR | j0 | Apr 05 11:24 |
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| DaemonFC | Goes along with what I said earlier | Apr 05 11:25 |
| DaemonFC | the Republicans are the ones that lose if the southern states get an undercount | Apr 05 11:26 |
| DaemonFC | (which they encouraged when they urged right wingers to boycott the census) | Apr 05 11:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Why is the BBC news coverage of the shuttle launch always two minutes ahead of Nasa TV? | Apr 05 11:32 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] noticed the identica client Pino is in the getdeb repos | Apr 05 11:51 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Nor MvixBox or any Synology or Qnap devices has or can have this features as all patented by our company: http://ur1.ca/tfbu | Apr 05 12:20 | |
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| schestowitz | Heh. http://schestowitz.com/Research/Resources/Scans/2006/IEEE_TMI_2006/ | Apr 05 12:22 |
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| schestowitz | I can't believe it's still around. My site's a mess | Apr 05 12:23 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: order them at a diner | Apr 05 12:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] BAH! Ubuntu Phone Sync requires funambol which a) isnt in the market b) only for android 2.x. Faileroony for me & my HTC Hero | Apr 05 12:24 | |
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| edakiri | Doesn't the ODF icon belong under the "We support" section? | Apr 05 12:32 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz? | Apr 05 12:32 |
| DaemonFC | They don't sell that here | Apr 05 12:32 |
| DaemonFC | I found it on a few specialty websites, expensive | Apr 05 12:33 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: They're at it again | Apr 05 12:36 |
| DaemonFC | "Office Starter" | Apr 05 12:36 |
| DaemonFC | I'm a little underwhelmed by a version of MS Office that turns off most of the features and expects me to swipe my card to get a serial that lets it do something important | Apr 05 12:39 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 05 12:39 |
| DaemonFC | http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/0,39029552,49305387,00.htm | Apr 05 12:40 |
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| DaemonFC | "Man arrested at Large Hadron Collider claims he's from the future" | Apr 05 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Apr 05 12:40 |
| oiaohm | http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-devel/2010-April/006859.html Ok you don't see this too often. | Apr 05 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | "Mr Cole was taken to a secure mental health facility in Geneva but later disappeared from his cell. Police are baffled, but not that bothered." | Apr 05 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | uhhhm, ok | Apr 05 12:44 |
| MinceR | i'm a little underwhelmed by all versions of m$ office | Apr 05 12:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-7mQhSZRgM | Apr 05 12:44 |
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| DaemonFC | They aren't worried that a mental patient who wants to stop the LHC and claims to be from the future escaped from his cell? | Apr 05 12:45 |
| DaemonFC | and wouldn't the agency that sent him from the future worry about the Grandfather Paradox or many other things? | Apr 05 12:45 |
| DaemonFC | it would be very easy for him to set forth a chain of events that altered the entire timeline | Apr 05 12:46 |
| DaemonFC | were he really from the future he would have had a cyanide capsule to bite down on to prevent that | Apr 05 12:46 |
| DaemonFC | or at least not said anything | Apr 05 12:47 |
| oiaohm | Ok DaemonFC read date | Apr 05 12:50 |
| oiaohm | Beside it depends if you believe in multi verse or not. If there is any chain event risk. | Apr 05 12:52 |
| DaemonFC | ahhh | Apr 05 12:53 |
| DaemonFC | it would be one of the more bizarre universes then :) | Apr 05 12:53 |
| DaemonFC | communists that give everyone free kit-kat bars | Apr 05 12:53 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: The Communists in our universe don't do that, do they? | Apr 05 12:54 |
| DaemonFC | must be one of those "subtle differences" | Apr 05 12:54 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 05 12:54 |
| oiaohm | By the theory of multi verse you could go back in time kill you self and take yourselfs place in the other timeline. | Apr 05 12:54 |
| oiaohm | No problems. | Apr 05 12:54 |
| oiaohm | Only one problem from mutli-verse you can better one of your selfs out there is a serial killer. | Apr 05 12:55 |
| oiaohm | Basically personally I hope if multi-verse exists we never find time travel. Or things could get messy. | Apr 05 12:56 |
| DaemonFC | except that I wouldn't know all of what my double knew? | Apr 05 12:56 |
| DaemonFC | I would look just like him | Apr 05 12:56 |
| DaemonFC | that's about it | Apr 05 12:56 |
| oiaohm | Depends if you jumped back to when your current verse split off from his. | Apr 05 12:56 |
| oiaohm | Then you would know everything he did. | Apr 05 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | but I would be 26 | Apr 05 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | what age would he have been? | Apr 05 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think I could pass for 12 :D | Apr 05 12:57 |
| oiaohm | You could be like a day older. | Apr 05 12:57 |
| schestowitz | edakiri: not exactly | Apr 05 12:58 |
| DaemonFC | well, if the deviation only happened yesterday, I don't think his life would be drastically different from mine | Apr 05 12:58 |
| schestowitz | It's just an old page with links, provided by one reader | Apr 05 12:58 |
| DaemonFC | hence, no point in killing him and taking over his spot there | Apr 05 12:58 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Alguém sabe como funciona a publicade institucional na RTP? Estou a ter alguma dificuldade em obter informação... | Apr 05 12:58 | |
| oiaohm | Remember if something like your wife died or something in that 24 hour time. Ie you would have a chance to change something. | Apr 05 12:59 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, don't get me wrong, I'd love the chance to kill myself and take all my money and fame | Apr 05 12:59 |
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| DaemonFC | I was such a bastard and had it coming you know | Apr 05 12:59 |
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| oiaohm | I don't think trying to win the loto doing it would work. | Apr 05 13:00 |
| oiaohm | Heck if it did it would be tempting. DaemonFC | Apr 05 13:00 |
| DaemonFC | no, but what if there is a double of me out there who is rich? | Apr 05 13:00 |
| DaemonFC | I could kill him and he wouldn't go missing | Apr 05 13:00 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 05 13:00 |
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| oiaohm | Most likely there is. | Apr 05 13:01 |
| oiaohm | Problem is most likely you would not know enough to pass your self off as them. | Apr 05 13:01 |
| oiaohm | Yes bugger. | Apr 05 13:01 |
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| DaemonFC | strap him up and interrogate him first | Apr 05 13:01 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 05 13:01 |
| oiaohm | Even in the current earth there are most likely someone else who looks close enough to be your double. | Apr 05 13:02 |
| oiaohm | I know of 8 people that look like me. | Apr 05 13:02 |
| DaemonFC | yes, but I would be a perfect match for me | Apr 05 13:02 |
| DaemonFC | right down to DNA level | Apr 05 13:02 |
| DaemonFC | I could always just claim to be suffering from amnesia | Apr 05 13:02 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 05 13:02 |
| oiaohm | Large money. | Apr 05 13:03 |
| oiaohm | There is always someone out to get it. | Apr 05 13:03 |
| oiaohm | amnesia system will not help you protect the money. | Apr 05 13:03 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, cause then it's easier for people to sue me | Apr 05 13:03 |
| DaemonFC | block me from getting at the money | Apr 05 13:03 |
| DaemonFC | interrogation it is then | Apr 05 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 05 13:04 |
| oiaohm | Now interrogate does not work either | Apr 05 13:04 |
| oiaohm | Could you trust yourself to tell you the truth. | Apr 05 13:05 |
| oiaohm | Or at least to constanty lie. | Apr 05 13:05 |
| oiaohm | Myself I would be screwed with it. | Apr 05 13:05 |
| oiaohm | I know myself sometimes I would lie sometimes I would tell the truth. | Apr 05 13:05 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: they aren't really communists | Apr 05 13:07 |
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| edakiri | schestowitz. Would you elaborate? | Apr 05 13:30 |
| edakiri | i see what you wrote, "provided by 1 reader' | Apr 05 13:31 |
| edakiri | nevermind. i can understand the organisation | Apr 05 13:32 |
| schestowitz | It's an old page | Apr 05 13:38 |
| schestowitz | It's not accessed much, I need to reorg the site | Apr 05 13:38 |
| schestowitz | I'm also waiting for tessier to help migrating to the new domain name | Apr 05 13:38 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] AICTE, FOSS and us #india http://post.ly/XxdI | Apr 05 14:26 | |
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| schestowitz | ok, back... | Apr 05 15:47 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Codename for #Ubuntu 10.10: Maverick Meerkat. | Apr 05 16:01 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D62Wn9AVqGE | Apr 05 16:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-797a32_DY | Apr 05 16:07 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: YouTube- My Fedora 10 (KDE 4.1.3) .::. Size~: 73.75 KB | Apr 05 16:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Ubuntu notifications are annoying me now. Gpodder telling me certain podcasts cant download. Not on screen long enough. | Apr 05 16:19 | |
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| gill_ | I'll steal all of your MONEIES (money) | Apr 05 16:27 |
| gill_ | Gill Bates won't surrender!!! | Apr 05 16:27 |
| gill_ | well, gotta go | Apr 05 16:28 |
| gill_ | GNU/Linux FTW!!! | Apr 05 16:28 |
| gill_ | kill M$ ;) | Apr 05 16:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Search-Engines/Apple-May-Build-a-Search-Engine-to-Shield-iPhone-Data-From-Google-705980/ | Apr 05 16:46 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Yay! Buttons have moved (a bit) on http://havethebuttonsmovedbackyet.com/ | Apr 05 16:46 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Have the buttons moved back yet? .::. Size~: 0.19 KB | Apr 05 16:46 |
| Omar87 | Hi all. | Apr 05 16:56 |
| Omar87 | Microsoft is desperately trying to revive MS Office. It's not giving it away.. :P | Apr 05 16:56 |
| Omar87 | http://tinyurl.com/ykycugn | Apr 05 16:57 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] call for paper #foss #conference , 3 day left - http://mukt.in/cfp #mukt2010 | Apr 05 17:03 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Call for papers | www.mukt.in .::. Size~: 6.84 KB | Apr 05 17:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] RT @wikileaks: LEAK: Cover-up of murder of civilians and journalists through US forces in Iraq.Video online at: http://collateralmurder.com/ | Apr 05 17:04 | |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: yeah | Apr 05 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: my brother still dual boot and this morning he went bonkers with office | Apr 05 17:07 |
| schestowitz | They gave them free betas | Apr 05 17:07 |
| schestowitz | And it wired and mail and stuff | Apr 05 17:07 |
| Omar87 | Correction: "It's giving it away." | Apr 05 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Taking minutes to just type a subject line, confusing gui, etc. | Apr 05 17:07 |
| schestowitz | He HATES it | Apr 05 17:07 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, yeah. Just like Gates once said: "If you can't make it good, at least make it look good." | Apr 05 17:08 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, J. Wildeboer is in Saudi Arabia! :) | Apr 05 17:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] .@Wikileaks video of attacks on journalists & civilians http://bit.ly/c1Y7vi Transcript: http://bit.ly/amCWeQ -- GIVE THEM YOUR MONEY. | Apr 05 17:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Next step in the filesharing evolutionary arms race: distributed BitTorrent tracking http://is.gd/bfKhi | Apr 05 17:40 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Tribler Evolves Its Decentralized BitTorrent Ecosystem | TorrentFreak .::. Size~: 46.44 KB | Apr 05 17:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I do find it funny when peeps join the army, then complain when sent to a warzone, WTF did they expect they were gonna do? Go camping? | Apr 05 18:00 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] one thing you can always guarantee in all wars, the civillians on all sides always come off worst | Apr 05 18:03 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] My experience = what need to be done for GNU/Linux in India http://post.ly/Y0C4 | Apr 05 18:04 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Great site warning about scammers et al....http://www.keepsafeonthenet.co.uk/ | Apr 05 18:10 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Scammers and Phishers .::. Size~: 78.03 KB | Apr 05 18:10 |
| schestowitz | This is so funny. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afsa5gkvmlU | Apr 05 18:12 |
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| MidlandH | Hey Roy, you there? | Apr 05 18:21 |
| schestowitz | hey | Apr 05 18:22 |
| schestowitz | I found some funny Eddie Izzard skits | Apr 05 18:22 |
| MidlandH | Do you have to pay to get the skeptoid podcasts? | Apr 05 18:22 |
| MidlandH | i just went on the site and it would not let me download the mp3's | Apr 05 18:23 |
| MidlandH | just the text versions | Apr 05 18:23 |
| schestowitz | You don't need to pay | Apr 05 18:23 |
| schestowitz | No, you can get everything | Apr 05 18:23 |
| MidlandH | well when i click on 'listen' it wont let me access the site | Apr 05 18:24 |
| MidlandH | read works ok though, it coulod be my internet security settings, wait , i will check..... | Apr 05 18:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Gosh, it's good the Vatican isn't covering for child raping priests in the present. Oh, wait: http://is.gd/bfNvq YOUR DONATIONS AT WORK | Apr 05 18:25 | |
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| schestowitz | Use this page: http://skeptoid.com/episode_guide.php | Apr 05 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | Works OK | Apr 05 18:26 |
| MidlandH | Charged not convicted | Apr 05 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Works from here, just checked | Apr 05 18:27 |
| MidlandH | not working here , internet explorer cannot display webpage | Apr 05 18:27 |
| MidlandH | do i need to 'subscribe or something or join, not sure | Apr 05 18:29 |
| schestowitz | No | Apr 05 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Maybe a browser thing | Apr 05 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Or maybe your ISP thinks MP3 are 'illegal' | Apr 05 18:31 |
| schestowitz | MP3s are just media | Apr 05 18:31 |
| MidlandH | does this address work for you roy--------------- http://c4.libsyn.com/media/17974/skeptoid-3021.mp3?nvb=20100405171359&nva=20100406172359&t=0fe9afe544686f4bf9a2d | Apr 05 18:36 |
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| schestowitz | yeah, it works | Apr 05 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Must be your ISP | Apr 05 18:38 |
| schestowitz | BLocking you maybe | Apr 05 18:38 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I'm starting to love Wikileaks.org. | Apr 05 18:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7gecOSVK68 | Apr 05 18:39 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: what's the latest from it? | Apr 05 18:40 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, LEAK: Cover-up of murder of civilians and journalists through US forces in Iraq.Video online at: http://collateralmurder.com/ | Apr 05 18:41 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Great news! Robotron has returned with more on what they think I have said or my opinion, its proving a good draw for the site. | Apr 05 18:50 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Robotron claims to have been banned from another site, I can see why...Robotron has a little difficulty with telling the truth. | Apr 05 18:51 | |
| MidlandH | Got it Roy, just right clicked then save target as-listening to the guidestones and Zeitgeist commentary | Apr 05 18:52 |
| Omar87 | MidlandH, "Save target as"? :D | Apr 05 18:57 |
| schestowitz | MidlandH: aha | Apr 05 18:57 |
| schestowitz | I think I went through this episode last week | Apr 05 18:58 |
| schestowitz | We spoke about it in your car yesterday | Apr 05 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: oh, *that* | Apr 05 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: the US secret services have harassed them a lot recently | Apr 05 18:59 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Harassed who? Wikileaks? | Apr 05 18:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Sorry Robotron, I bet you were expecting to get a cheeky little comment in that would stay unchallenged for hours..Im afraid since I found.. | Apr 05 18:59 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Android (unlike Winmob) is actually functional, I'm mobile computing! Your sly little comments won't go unnoticed now...Sorry... | Apr 05 19:00 | |
| schestowitz | Omar87: in RMS' blog I read something similar this morning | Apr 05 19:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @_Goblin Sorry, but who's Robotron? | Apr 05 19:01 | |
| schestowitz | Some lady journalist from Israel exposed murder of Palestinians and then they put her in house arrest | Apr 05 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Instead of arresting the murderers | Apr 05 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: yes, they sit hard on Wikileaks | Apr 05 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Not just the US govt. | Apr 05 19:02 |
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| schestowitz | The UK MoD had it manual leaked too | Apr 05 19:02 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, arresting the murderers will lead to a scandal, obviously. | Apr 05 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Which make _goblin pissed off, obviously | Apr 05 19:02 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, she should've published her findings on Wikileaks, imho. -_- | Apr 05 19:03 |
| _goblin | ? | Apr 05 19:03 |
| _goblin | sorry missed the conversation. | Apr 05 19:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @Omar_S_Hafez He's a "new" reader on my site...being trying to counter my posts...very badly I hasten to add. | Apr 05 19:03 | |
| schestowitz | Omar87: I didn't read the article | Apr 05 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Just RMS' summary | Apr 05 19:03 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I see. | Apr 05 19:03 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: we talk about Wikileaks on Iraq | Apr 05 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: is this the stuff they have been teasing about for a month? | Apr 05 19:04 |
| _goblin | ah.. | Apr 05 19:04 |
| schestowitz | The 'major' leak? | Apr 05 19:04 |
| schestowitz | For Easter Monday/// | Apr 05 19:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @_Goblin A troll? :P | Apr 05 19:04 | |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, perhaps. Not sure. | Apr 05 19:04 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, oh my God! Just heard one of them spokespeople of the US government mentioning Wikileaks, and their new video about Iraq, on Al-Jazeera Live. | Apr 05 19:09 |
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| Omar87 | He said: "There's a website called Wikileaks, they published a video about the victims [in Iraq]. I have no information about them or about that video." | Apr 05 19:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Listening to a crack track.....takes me back... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SSUQxGjZZ4 | Apr 05 19:12 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Now if you can tell me which wrestler had this as a theme tune, I'll be impressed. | Apr 05 19:13 | |
| schestowitz | Omar87: video?? | Apr 05 19:15 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, yeah, the one published by Wikileaks. | Apr 05 19:16 |
| Omar87 | showing the murder of the civilians and journalists. | Apr 05 19:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin odd video | Apr 05 19:18 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx9yypsIW_Q | Apr 05 19:18 |
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| schestowitz | Classic | Apr 05 19:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @Omar_S_Hafez I wouldn't say troll because he does try to debate...shame he can't stay truthful.... | Apr 05 19:20 | |
| _goblin | Omar87: If you've got the bandwidth check out the track "voodoo" from the band Godsmack.....it was Batista's theme tune when he was in OVW before his WWE days. | Apr 05 19:23 |
| Omar87 | _goblin, Thanks. | Apr 05 19:24 |
| _goblin | oh and Batista used to be called Leviathon | Apr 05 19:24 |
| Omar87 | _goblin, Batista proved he's a joke after he was defeated by Cena in WM despite all the beating to he served to him. | Apr 05 19:26 |
| _goblin | mmm....but then he did break Cena's neck a year or so ago | Apr 05 19:27 |
| _goblin | I see Great Khali is taking some time off. | Apr 05 19:27 |
| _goblin | expect him on a title run when he returns. | Apr 05 19:27 |
| _goblin | Hugely popular character is Khali | Apr 05 19:28 |
| Omar87 | _goblin, but is Khali really stronger than Batista? | Apr 05 19:28 |
| _goblin | I would say on height alone he has the advantage. | Apr 05 19:29 |
| Omar87 | How come Mysterio was able to defeat Batista, but he's wasn't able to pinch Khali. | Apr 05 19:30 |
| _goblin | It just the way the current storyline plays out.... | Apr 05 19:31 |
| _goblin | in some ways its why I prefer ROH or NOAH....the WWE can be a little silly with some of its gimmicks. | Apr 05 19:31 |
| Omar87 | _goblin, Storyline? | Apr 05 19:32 |
| _goblin | yeah, the work....the theme.... | Apr 05 19:32 |
| _goblin | reality doesn't get in the way in wrestling. | Apr 05 19:33 |
| Omar87 | _goblin, So basically, all these savages we keep watching are merely actors? | Apr 05 19:33 |
| _goblin | in the real world....Khali could probably defeat everyone.....however in wrestling if the current storyline fits then even Rey can beat Khali | Apr 05 19:33 |
| _goblin | omar87: You jest? | Apr 05 19:33 |
| _goblin | you do know wrestling is fake? | Apr 05 19:34 |
| _goblin | I think you are teasing me. | Apr 05 19:34 |
| _goblin | ;) | Apr 05 19:34 |
| Omar87 | _goblin, nope, I'm not. | Apr 05 19:34 |
| _goblin | ah.... | Apr 05 19:35 |
| _goblin | we'll yes its fixed.....storylines/results etc | Apr 05 19:35 |
| _goblin | and that applies for TNA and all others too. | Apr 05 19:35 |
| Omar87 | _goblin, Actually, I've known for a long time that these people are actors, but then, how the hell to they perform all these deadly moves? | Apr 05 19:35 |
| _goblin | thats the appeal......how they do it...... | Apr 05 19:36 |
| _goblin | sort of like watching an action movie but instead of the actors being allowed multiple takes, these guys have to do it live, first time. | Apr 05 19:36 |
| _goblin | Having said that, some of the moves do hurt.... | Apr 05 19:36 |
| _goblin | and some of them go wrong. | Apr 05 19:36 |
| _goblin | Which is why the Montreal screw job is so interesting.....that was when Bret Hart was told he would win the match, only for Vince to make HBK win without Hart knowing until it was too late | Apr 05 19:37 |
| _goblin | Vince got the ref to ring the bell and declare Hart gave up...infront of a live audience and PPV, Hart spat in Vince's face and backstage punched Vince in the face, giving Vince a blackeye for about 2 weeks.....that was certainly real. | Apr 05 19:38 |
| Omar87 | _goblin, plus, if wrestling is merely acting, why do some wrestlers dying of heart attacks (e.g: Guerrero) or even suicides (E.g: Benoit). | Apr 05 19:39 |
| Omar87 | ? | Apr 05 19:39 |
| Omar87 | die* | Apr 05 19:39 |
| _goblin | Because thats life....its a sport in the sense that it requies phsical exertion and just like actors, wrestlers abuse drugs or commit suicide. | Apr 05 19:40 |
| Omar87 | _goblin, I see. | Apr 05 19:40 |
| Omar87 | _goblin, but honestly, if the results are fixed, I fail to see how this is a sport. :-) | Apr 05 19:41 |
| Omar87 | It's more like a savage parade. :P | Apr 05 19:41 |
| _goblin | you could look at it like show jumping or skating.... | Apr 05 19:41 |
| _goblin | and also alot of the time when I predict who will win, I get it wrong. | Apr 05 19:42 |
| _goblin | its entertaining like a movie and talented like a sport | Apr 05 19:42 |
| _goblin | its "Sports Entertainment" | Apr 05 19:42 |
| Omar87 | _goblin, yeah, that's why I like it. | Apr 05 19:43 |
| _goblin | when you look at boxing matches, you can usually be spot on with who will win.... | Apr 05 19:43 |
| _goblin | Wrestling can and does keep you guessing so in that respect to us the viewers its not fixed because we don't know who will win. | Apr 05 19:43 |
| Omar87 | _goblin, that's right. | Apr 05 19:44 |
| _goblin | Ive watched it since 1982 | Apr 05 19:44 |
| _goblin | Infact probably before that....but I can't really remember anything before the first Wrestlemania. | Apr 05 19:44 |
| Omar87 | _goblin, I don't think Khali is invincible just 'coz he's very tall, btw. | Apr 05 19:45 |
| _goblin | He's great though.....I really like him. | Apr 05 19:45 |
| Omar87 | For example, he won't stand a chance in front of a Kong Fu master. :P | Apr 05 19:45 |
| _goblin | and even though he doesn't speak English he has loads of character..... | Apr 05 19:45 |
| _goblin | I predict Mr Anderson will be the next breakout star....in the same way the Rock was. | Apr 05 19:46 |
| _goblin | I also think we will see some great things from Kofi Kingston this year. | Apr 05 19:46 |
| Omar87 | _goblin, I really enjoyed reading how Hart humiliated Mcmahon. | Apr 05 19:47 |
| _goblin | Yeah...although I thought they would have let Hart beat McMahon by himself.... | Apr 05 19:48 |
| _goblin | I take it you saw Wrestlemania 26? | Apr 05 19:48 |
| Omar87 | So, when will the NXT guys become Smackdown or Raw characters? | Apr 05 19:48 |
| Omar87 | _goblin, no, I didn't see it. | Apr 05 19:49 |
| _goblin | I think about 5 weeks.....Bryan Daniels will be the star out of that....Ive been watching him for years in ROH....its rather insulting that the WWE treats him as a "rookie" when he's been going longer than the Miz and has more tallent than many of the WWE roster. | Apr 05 19:49 |
| Omar87 | I read what happened on a website. | Apr 05 19:50 |
| _goblin | which website? | Apr 05 19:50 |
| _goblin | there's a good one called TPWW | Apr 05 19:50 |
| _goblin | thats where I get all my news. | Apr 05 19:50 |
| _goblin | It has an RSS feed that I have hooked into my phone. | Apr 05 19:51 |
| Omar87 | http://www.infoclickz.com/ | Apr 05 19:51 |
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| Omar87 | http://infoclickz.com/wrestlemania-26-results-bret-hart-vs-mr-mcmahon-winner-bret-hart/ | Apr 05 19:51 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] RT @lessig no video has ever depressed me more. thanks, #wikileaks: http://huff.to/9pOgDD | Apr 05 19:59 | |
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| _goblin | Omar87: If you've got the time.....Batista as you have never seen him before (In OVW) | Apr 05 20:09 |
| _goblin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwuHR4bW4S8&feature=related | Apr 05 20:09 |
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| schestowitz | Aw crap. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFjXeDIcK3o context http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vq4ci-7BuQ | Apr 05 20:16 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] More News From The United Kingdom On Davenport Lyons, ACS Law, and Tilly Bailey & Irvine http://bit.ly/c74dBv | Apr 05 20:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] More stories on ACS: Law , TBI and others, this time from The Mad Hatter : http://tinyurl.com/yzj3rqp check it out...great post. #tpb | Apr 05 20:48 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @_the_mad_hatter You about? Could you come over to BN for a private chat...? | Apr 05 20:53 | |
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| _goblin | I hope mad hatter turns up....got something of breaking news for him and his article..... | Apr 05 20:57 |
| _goblin | Probably my best piece of investigative journalism Ive ever done and I can't post it on my blog.... | Apr 05 20:58 |
| cubezzz | why not? | Apr 05 20:58 |
| _goblin | not appropriate....although I keep my work life separate, I should not be the one who breaks this..... | Apr 05 20:59 |
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| DaemonFC | Mr. Farmer, | Apr 05 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | Thank you for speaking with me the other day. I just wanted to let you know that I mailed the UPS shipping label out today. | Apr 05 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | Your friend from Newegg, | Apr 05 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | Joshua Key | Apr 05 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Apr 05 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I think I'll use the refund to help put together my electric bicycle | Apr 05 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | the GPU I have runs most games just fine anyway :P | Apr 05 21:06 |
| _goblin | Cubezzz: Did you get all that? What do you think? | Apr 05 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | the 5670 was an impulse buy | Apr 05 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Newegg. Ha! | Apr 05 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Is it just in the US? | Apr 05 21:07 |
| schestowitz | They suck up to you | Apr 05 21:07 |
| schestowitz | PR | Apr 05 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Canada, China, and Taiwan too I believe | Apr 05 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | America's Hat, the Commie Bastards, and their "Renegade Province" :P | Apr 05 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.bustedtees.com/canadaamericashat | Apr 05 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Apr 05 21:10 |
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| DaemonFC | As a rule, Ann Coulter is an idiot, but she also has th unintended role of comedian | Apr 05 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | and I think that was the funniest thing I've heard her say | Apr 05 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | "Canada is America's Hat, they're lucky we don't just roll over and crush them by mistake." | Apr 05 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 05 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Never trust a woman with an adams apple | Apr 05 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 05 21:12 |
| _goblin | has cubezzz gone? | Apr 05 21:13 |
| cubezzz | I'm here | Apr 05 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | possibly | Apr 05 21:13 |
| cubezzz | sorry was on another screen | Apr 05 21:13 |
| cubezzz | you don't understand Coulter | Apr 05 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | sure I do | Apr 05 21:15 |
| cubezzz | she says ridiculous things on purpose to help sell her books | Apr 05 21:15 |
| cubezzz | simple | Apr 05 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | it's Rush Limbaugh in a dress | Apr 05 21:15 |
| cubezzz | the idea is to sell more books :) | Apr 05 21:16 |
| cubezzz | she probably doesn't even believe what she says | Apr 05 21:16 |
| cubezzz | and it works, she makes money, people get outraged and the publicity machine goes on | Apr 05 21:17 |
| _goblin | Cubezzz: Did you get the text I sent you in private chat? | Apr 05 21:18 |
| cubezzz | ah, just noticed :) | Apr 05 21:18 |
| cubezzz | reading it now | Apr 05 21:18 |
| _goblin | you may laugh | Apr 05 21:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Mohit just said - Mile Code Mera Tumhara, Toh Software Bane Hamara ;) | Apr 05 21:20 | |
| _goblin | waiting for the verdict of Cubezzz..... | Apr 05 21:22 |
| cubezzz | yeah basically I agree with what you said | Apr 05 21:22 |
| _goblin | lol... | Apr 05 21:22 |
| _goblin | you think they are one and the same? | Apr 05 21:22 |
| cubezzz | i buy music cards btw | Apr 05 21:22 |
| cubezzz | ummm | Apr 05 21:22 |
| _goblin | It seems a big coincidence if they are not since that link hit that specific article. | Apr 05 21:23 |
| cubezzz | what country are we dealing with? | Apr 05 21:23 |
| _goblin | UK | Apr 05 21:23 |
| cubezzz | ok | Apr 05 21:23 |
| cubezzz | well i don't know what's happening, are p2p people getting in trouble in the uk? | Apr 05 21:24 |
| _goblin | If Im right...it may make big news....I don't want that type of mass exposure...(no pun intended) | Apr 05 21:24 |
| _goblin | apparently that person goes after sharers of adult material. | Apr 05 21:24 |
| cubezzz | ah I see | Apr 05 21:24 |
| cubezzz | I would have thought those people would have turned to DRM | Apr 05 21:25 |
| _goblin | Ive emailed a big site which deals with such issues....they can look at it further...... | Apr 05 21:25 |
| _goblin | (no pun intended) | Apr 05 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | /me called one of the local politicians an "Aryan Nations jackass" | Apr 05 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | let the fur fly :) | Apr 05 21:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft General Manager Quits After Two Decades, More Product Delays http://ur1.ca/tiq0 #sql #cozi #jumpship | Apr 05 21:27 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Quit or retired? | Apr 05 21:27 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft's glory days are over | Apr 05 21:28 |
| cubezzz | way over | Apr 05 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: To borrow a term from Marc Maron....... | Apr 05 21:28 |
| cubezzz | Orcale will be the next bigwig | Apr 05 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | After 30, it's all about "decay management" | Apr 05 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 05 21:28 |
| cubezzz | I'm curious what will happen to Sparc | Apr 05 21:29 |
| cubezzz | the main Linux Sparc guy seems to think Sparc is dead | Apr 05 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | it'll die off | Apr 05 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | the only future SPARC might have is "We'll support our existing paid contracts" | Apr 05 21:30 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: quit | Apr 05 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | PowerPC has a healthier outlook | Apr 05 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | As I remember, it's all about x86, ppc is an also-ran, and everything else shares the last 2% or so | Apr 05 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | on Fedora's stats anyway | Apr 05 21:32 |
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| DaemonFC | they do have unofficial platform support for other architectures, which do report in to SMOLT | Apr 05 21:32 |
| cubezzz | I don't think x86 is all that great | Apr 05 21:33 |
| cubezzz | I liked the simplicity of 6502 | Apr 05 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | it's not, but it's what's out there | Apr 05 21:33 |
| scientes | ARM | Apr 05 21:33 |
| cubezzz | yeah I have zaurus :) | Apr 05 21:33 |
| cubezzz | I can get a C1000 for under $200, which is tempting | Apr 05 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | x86 is hack on top of hack on top of hack | Apr 05 21:33 |
| scientes | c1000? | Apr 05 21:34 |
| cubezzz | SL series, yeah | Apr 05 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | using x86 and power efficient in the same sentence would have people laughing you out of the room if they're sane | Apr 05 21:34 |
| cubezzz | you can find them on ebay used now and then | Apr 05 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | for some reason, Red Hat talks about it a lot and people take them serious | Apr 05 21:34 |
| cubezzz | well I'm sure the bulk of Linux development is x86 | Apr 05 21:35 |
| cubezzz | LGP switched to all x86 | Apr 05 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Apr 05 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | x86 penetration is extensive | Apr 05 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | all Windows users, all Macs sold | Apr 05 21:36 |
| scientes | but it is well portable and ported | Apr 05 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | that alone gives you 97% of the hardware market | Apr 05 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, it seems that enough of Linux is suitably generic that it becomes feasible to port it quickly with limited resources spent | Apr 05 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | so obscure architecture support opens up | Apr 05 21:37 |
| cubezzz | I can port to ARM no problem | Apr 05 21:37 |
| cubezzz | I'd really like to get a SD wifi card for the Z | Apr 05 21:39 |
| cubezzz | but no idea what's compatible... and sharp isn't helping | Apr 05 21:39 |
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| davidgerard | ah, i see we're still on the old name | Apr 05 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | It DOES exist! | Apr 05 21:45 |
| *DaemonFC passes out | Apr 05 21:45 | |
| davidgerard | heh | Apr 05 21:45 |
| davidgerard | new name is good | Apr 05 21:45 |
| cubezzz | yeah my idea of diemicrosoftdie didn't catch on | Apr 05 21:46 |
| davidgerard | lol | Apr 05 21:47 |
| scientes | is this channel going to change to #techrights or something? | Apr 05 21:47 |
| davidgerard | ah, this is why i keep getting redirected back tot he old name: | Apr 05 21:47 |
| davidgerard | <link rel='canonical' href='http://boycottnovell.com/2010/04/05/larry-engel-says-goodbye/' /> | Apr 05 21:47 |
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| davidgerard | o_0 | Apr 05 21:47 |
| davidgerard | the rel=canonical there is a useful thing wordpress does so that google doesn't penalise yr site for having multiple names | Apr 05 21:47 |
| davidgerard | (I have newstechnica .com, .org, .net and .co.uk, but .com is canonical) | Apr 05 21:48 |
| davidgerard | oh, the new wiki front page is good too. rights, choices, wrongs. | Apr 05 21:52 |
| cubezzz | techrights is a better name | Apr 05 21:52 |
| davidgerard | and of course the "Dr" on Roy's name :-D | Apr 05 21:52 |
| *davidgerard has doctorate envy - of an age where my friends have their doctorates and I don't even have a degree *hand-staple-forehead* | Apr 05 21:52 | |
| davidgerard | it's a better name because it's a positive, not a negative | Apr 05 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, davidgerard | Apr 05 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Just got distracted there for a moment. I have soooo many posts I wanna do | Apr 05 21:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] BoycottNovell has a new name: http://techrights.org/ - the same free software activism, but with a better name | Apr 05 21:56 | |
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| schestowitz | Been messing about during the holiday, lost track | Apr 05 21:56 |
| *davidgerard thinks the bot isn't much good at loading urls | Apr 05 21:56 | |
| davidgerard | :-) | Apr 05 21:57 |
| davidgerard | it's a holiday, it's for messing around | Apr 05 21:57 |
| *davidgerard keeps not getting around to newstechnica ideas | Apr 05 21:57 | |
| schestowitz | We get your postings here | Apr 05 21:57 |
| _goblin | I agree Techrights is a better name....Im not sure about "Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of our adversaries" - makes us sound like tin foil hat wearing people.... | Apr 05 21:57 |
| davidgerard | i have one composed in my head about alex brown and ooxml, but the moment has passed, it woulda been funny two days ago | Apr 05 21:57 |
| schestowitz | The bot picks them up when you tweet them, bot parses title | Apr 05 21:58 |
| davidgerard | yes | Apr 05 21:58 |
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| davidgerard | but then, weasels getting betrayed in turn is an eternal theme, I could probably write it and plug new names in later | Apr 05 21:58 |
| *DaemonFC hates having to watch things on Chinese websites | Apr 05 21:59 | |
| DaemonFC | buffering | Apr 05 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 05 21:59 |
| _goblin | I won't ask. | Apr 05 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | get your head out of the gutter! | Apr 05 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 05 21:59 |
| _goblin | didn't mean that.... | Apr 05 22:00 |
| davidgerard | "Steve Ballmer's left my heart still broken," said Brown. "... My arse is still pretty sore too." | Apr 05 22:00 |
| _goblin | I was thinking you were going to go off on a rant about censorship........I think its your head in the gutter... ;) | Apr 05 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | no, actually in this case, it's censorship imposed by the US, Canada, UK, etc. legal systems :) | Apr 05 22:01 |
| _goblin | lol.... | Apr 05 22:01 |
| _goblin | so I was half right | Apr 05 22:01 |
| _goblin | shame on you daemonfc for thinking I was meaning something else. | Apr 05 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | kind of | Apr 05 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | China doesn't care about "international copyrights" | Apr 05 22:01 |
| _goblin | neither do TPB | Apr 05 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | only about suppressing "subversive" information | Apr 05 22:02 |
| _goblin | or the most unsecret of secret societies..... | Apr 05 22:02 |
| _goblin | wait for it..... | Apr 05 22:02 |
| _goblin | Darkside_RG | Apr 05 22:02 |
| scientes | falun gong | Apr 05 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think that watching an old episode of Mr. Bean threatens the future of the Chinese Communist Party | Apr 05 22:02 |
| schestowitz | I'm waiting for tessier_ to come back | Apr 05 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 05 22:02 |
| _goblin | daemonfc: I would disagree....ever see Bean the movie? Did you see what he did to a national treasure? | Apr 05 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | been a while | Apr 05 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | don't really remember it | Apr 05 22:03 |
| scientes | http://w3.cultdeadcow.com/cms/2008/03/cult-of-the-dea.html | Apr 05 22:04 |
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| DaemonFC | I remember Mr. Bean's Holiday better | Apr 05 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | _goblin: The part in that episode where he pulled out a handgun and shot out the light in his bedroom was hysterical | Apr 05 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | then he counted sheep on his calculator :D | Apr 05 22:04 |
| _goblin | ah.....then you need to see Mr Bean trying to restore a national treasure that he has destroyed: | Apr 05 22:05 |
| _goblin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrepmPAmEWY | Apr 05 22:05 |
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| DaemonFC | _goblin: Didn't he replace it with a poster from the gift shop? :) | Apr 05 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | Think I remember this now | Apr 05 22:08 |
| _goblin | yeah.... | Apr 05 22:09 |
| _goblin | I like the smiley face he drew on the picture to try and get away with it. | Apr 05 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | the face melting off from the thinner :D | Apr 05 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | nice | Apr 05 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | I would have just found the exit after sneezing on the thing | Apr 05 22:11 |
| _goblin | "oh god oh god, oh jesus..jesus of nazareth....." | Apr 05 22:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Still Pretends to be “Open” for and to #Government Contracts http://ur1.ca/tizf #odata #fda #pr | Apr 05 22:12 | |
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| _goblin | classic stuff....I don't think a movie has ever made me laugh so hard as I did when the museum curator has his moment with Mr Beans picture. | Apr 05 22:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] now following master ;) #js @slicknet | Apr 05 22:13 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQevyIy8hzs&feature=related | Apr 05 22:14 |
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| DaemonFC | better | Apr 05 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | _goblin: You remember that Simpsons episode where Homer mistakes Tony Blair for Mr. Bean? :) | Apr 05 22:15 |
| _goblin | No....never saw that. | Apr 05 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1231-05.htm | Apr 05 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | TONY Blair refused to appear in The Simpsons alongside a cartoon dog because he feared being called "America's poodle". | Apr 05 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmm | Apr 05 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmmm.. weird... Google starts indexing dupes, we need to merge the sites fast, but I need tessier_'s help | Apr 05 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | he was a good poodle | Apr 05 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: What did we give the poodle for a treat? | Apr 05 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | My favorite Bushism was "You forgot Poland" | Apr 05 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 05 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | cause he couldn't name anyone other than the UK who helped with the invasion of Iraq, other than Poland | Apr 05 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 05 22:21 |
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| davidgerard | with the rel=canonical, the blog is fine having multiple urls point to it | Apr 05 22:22 |
| davidgerard | the wiki, i dunno | Apr 05 22:22 |
| davidgerard | ask on mediawiki-l | Apr 05 22:23 |
| davidgerard | here's a useful thing: a visual reference to git http://marklodato.github.com/visual-git-guide/index.html | Apr 05 22:28 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: A Visual Git Reference .::. Size~: 14.96 KB | Apr 05 22:28 |
| davidgerard | we use a proprietary central-repository vcs at work | Apr 05 22:28 |
| davidgerard | we keep a subversion installation around just to scare them | Apr 05 22:28 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 05 22:28 |
| davidgerard | but distributed would actually be a good idea | Apr 05 22:28 |
| davidgerard | probably hg not git, our dev setup is unfortunately highly tuned to windows | Apr 05 22:29 |
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| sebsebseb | Hi | Apr 05 22:29 |
| davidgerard | i have the only ubuntu installation in the office, but lots of others are installing it on their netbooks they bring in ;-) | Apr 05 22:29 |
| davidgerard | they say 10.04 is very nice indeed | Apr 05 22:29 |
| sebsebseb | davidgerard: uhmm | Apr 05 22:30 |
| davidgerard | these are ubuntu's target audience, i.e. reasonably advanced geeks who currently use windows and don't give two hoots about software freedom, only about functionality | Apr 05 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | davidgerard: loads of other distros out there as well, which are better than Ubuntu for most Desktop Linux users, just most people still think Linux = Ubuntu basicalley | Apr 05 22:31 |
| davidgerard | yes, i know that | Apr 05 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | and I just joined here | Apr 05 22:31 |
| davidgerard | but ubuntu is a vast improvement on windows | Apr 05 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | reasonably advanced geeks? heh heh | Apr 05 22:31 |
| davidgerard | they can start playing distro roulette at their leisure, just get them not using windows ;-) | Apr 05 22:31 |
| davidgerard | java programmers, pretty good ones | Apr 05 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu is the big noobs distro at the moment | Apr 05 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu has many fan boys as well | Apr 05 22:31 |
| davidgerard | i use ubuntu 9.10 - i'm a unix sysadmin, but it gets out of my way and doesn't annoy me | Apr 05 22:31 |
| davidgerard | i.e. i hardly ever have to *administer* it as such | Apr 05 22:32 |
| sebsebseb | go to a site such as http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk to see what I mean | Apr 05 22:32 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: OMG! Ubuntu! .::. Size~: 109.67 KB | Apr 05 22:32 |
| davidgerard | i'll go 10.04 when it's released (i'd do it early but this is my work machine after all) | Apr 05 22:32 |
| davidgerard | yes :-) | Apr 05 22:32 |
| davidgerard | i found it interesting to see the reactions of windows users who are using it on their personal machines | Apr 05 22:32 |
| davidgerard | and liking it | Apr 05 22:32 |
| davidgerard | and not liking bits | Apr 05 22:32 |
| sebsebseb | well it's always been like that | Apr 05 22:33 |
| davidgerard | it's always interesting to see the reactions of people who don't already agree with you | Apr 05 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | I guess | Apr 05 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | it's not perfect | Apr 05 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | far from perfect in fact | Apr 05 22:33 |
| davidgerard | the thing is, they're liking the important thing about unix | Apr 05 22:33 |
| davidgerard | i.e. | Apr 05 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | so they can't make Windows users 100% happy with it at the moment | Apr 05 22:33 |
| davidgerard | unix was written as a programming framework | Apr 05 22:33 |
| davidgerard | brb | Apr 05 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | also there's a good article out there | Apr 05 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | Linux is not Windows | Apr 05 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | and loads of people are trying to replace Windows with Ubuntu, but then find they can't 100% | Apr 05 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | as for the bit about freedom, indeed at that, most Ubuntu users don't know about it, or the ones that do, don't really care about it | Apr 05 22:34 |
| sebsebseb | most of them | Apr 05 22:34 |
| davidgerard | these are programmers and they're really quite impressed by it | Apr 05 22:45 |
| davidgerard | because they're realising that unix, and linux, were written by programmers for programmers | Apr 05 22:45 |
| davidgerard | so the tools are rather good! | Apr 05 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | maybe so | Apr 05 22:45 |
| davidgerard | in the 1970s, unix was basically the first IDE | Apr 05 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | ,but Ubuntu wasn't made for proggrammers | Apr 05 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | by proggrammers | Apr 05 22:45 |
| davidgerard | all command line | Apr 05 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | for example | Apr 05 22:45 |
| davidgerard | no | Apr 05 22:45 |
| davidgerard | but it *is* debian with a lot of the rough edges removed, which is useful | Apr 05 22:46 |
| MinceR | until it becomes debian with a lot of the rough edges removed and a couple traps added | Apr 05 22:46 |
| davidgerard | well, yes | Apr 05 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | Debian has traditionally had a more restrictive packaging policy | Apr 05 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | though they ignored it for some things | Apr 05 22:47 |
| davidgerard | the guy i'm thinking of was very impressed with the range of software | Apr 05 22:47 |
| davidgerard | because most or all of debian is in the multiverse repository | Apr 05 22:48 |
| davidgerard | if open source software exists it's almost certainly been packaged for debian and hence ubuntu | Apr 05 22:48 |
| davidgerard | he was able to set up eclipse and sun java with no problems so he's happy ;-) | Apr 05 22:48 |
| davidgerard | and his pc is twice as fast as it was under xp, because ... no antivirus! | Apr 05 22:49 |
| davidgerard | if he can get office 2000 working under wine (for his open university stuff) he'll leave windows behind entirely | Apr 05 22:49 |
| MinceR | why the m$ office dependency? | Apr 05 22:49 |
| davidgerard | (he has lots of office 2000 templates etc set up, so OOo is not a very easy move) | Apr 05 22:50 |
| davidgerard | open university are pretty much bound to it, apparently | Apr 05 22:50 |
| MinceR | yet they dare call it "open"? | Apr 05 22:50 |
| davidgerard | they're open compared to other universities | Apr 05 22:50 |
| davidgerard | i.e. anyone can study there if they pay for the course | Apr 05 22:50 |
| davidgerard | www.open.ac.uk | Apr 05 22:50 |
| davidgerard | the degrees are highly respected, because it's a real university you have to actually work to get the degree from, and pretty much everyone studying there is doing so while working a day job | Apr 05 22:51 |
| davidgerard | i.e. just getting the degree shows admirable persistence and ability to work at something | Apr 05 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmm | Apr 05 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | the guy on the tech support line for that bike says it's for up to a 32" inseam | Apr 05 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | I'm a 34" inseam | Apr 05 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | thinking maybe I could squeak by with this model.... | Apr 05 22:52 |
| davidgerard | OH NO! Microsoft is withdrawing support for Itanium! http://blogs.technet.com/windowsserver/archive/2010/04/02/windows-server-2008-r2-to-phase-out-itanium.aspx | Apr 05 22:52 |
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| DaemonFC | I don't really want to pay another $100 for the next bigger model | Apr 05 22:52 |
| davidgerard | just think of all those Itanium users left out in the cold | Apr 05 22:53 |
| MinceR | oh noes, they'll have to run some real OS on those machines now | Apr 05 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | Itanic | Apr 05 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/05/microsoft_pulls_plug_itanium/ | Apr 05 22:53 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Microsoft pulls plug on Intel's Itanic • The Register .::. Size~: 25.54 KB | Apr 05 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | "Microsoft made the change because of the growing ability of x86 64-bit chips from AMD and Intel to provide the kinds of scalability and reliability that Microsoft is targeting with its servers." | Apr 05 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | agreed | Apr 05 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | Itanic is kind of pointless | Apr 05 22:54 |
| MinceR | m$ isn't targeting scalability nor reliability with its "servers", only with its marketing | Apr 05 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | You know that with no Microsoft support, Itanium is now a dead architecture | Apr 05 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | they're not going to make another model | Apr 05 22:55 |
| MinceR | does it matter if a server-oriented architecture has winblows support or not? | Apr 05 22:55 |
| davidgerard | itanium was only 5% windows anyway | Apr 05 22:55 |
| davidgerard | but keep in mind: we're talking about *thousands* of machines, not *millions* | Apr 05 22:55 |
| MinceR | at least it will teach those clients to not rely on m$ in the future | Apr 05 22:55 |
| davidgerard | so for windows we're talking about *hundreds* if even that many | Apr 05 22:55 |
| MinceR | if they have brains, at least | Apr 05 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | The chip had a small profit margin | Apr 05 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | the only win would be possible with volume | Apr 05 22:56 |
| davidgerard | yes, and masses of money lost in its development | Apr 05 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft was their best chance at volume | Apr 05 22:56 |
| MinceR | intel blew the volume part | Apr 05 22:56 |
| MinceR | they chose poorly | Apr 05 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | they lost that chance well before Server 2008 was out | Apr 05 22:56 |
| davidgerard | if it was any good it would have found a niche | Apr 05 22:56 |
| davidgerard | the closest it had was number crunching | Apr 05 22:56 |
| davidgerard | but amd64 outdoes it even for that these days | Apr 05 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | it was their abysmal x86 app support | Apr 05 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | Sloooooooooooooooowwwwwwww | Apr 05 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft recycled WOW64 for X86-64 use anyway | Apr 05 22:57 |
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| DaemonFC | and since that arch is backward compatible natively with 32-bit x86, it gave the people what they wanted :) | Apr 05 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | new arch with lots of memory support, and native execution speed of legacy apps | Apr 05 22:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] interesting, #elementary bubbles work well with statusnet but NOT with twitter... wonder what's the difference? | Apr 05 22:58 | |
| DaemonFC | which is what the whole point of X86-64 was anyway | Apr 05 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | AMD was more pragmatic | Apr 05 22:58 |
| MinceR | EPIC had promise, but intel blew it | Apr 05 22:59 |
| davidgerard | you mean "EPIC had promise, but the computer science to write compilers to take sufficient advantage of it didn't actually exist as yet" | Apr 05 22:59 |
| MinceR | no, i mean "intel's decision to only target servers with it meant low volume and thus high cost, dooming the architecture" | Apr 05 23:01 |
| davidgerard | nope, intel tried doing workstations with it | Apr 05 23:01 |
| davidgerard | i think it was hp that sold 11 of them total | Apr 05 23:02 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 05 23:02 |
| davidgerard | no, that was dell and itanium servers | Apr 05 23:02 |
| davidgerard | i mean, it's fast at vector math, maybe they could reuse it in a graphics chip | Apr 05 23:02 |
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| MinceR | they could | Apr 05 23:03 |
| MinceR | but they didn't even dare produce larrabee | Apr 05 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3: You tell me which guy has a rocket launcher and which guy has a camera from 100 yards | Apr 05 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | now I give you 5 seconds to shoot them or die | Apr 05 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | what do you do? | Apr 05 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | if it could be either and *I* want to live to go home, I'd shoot them | Apr 05 23:06 |
| davidgerard | DaemonFC: also, it wasn't the priests' fault, it was the kids' fault for being so damn sexy | Apr 05 23:07 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Mainstream media refuses to cover journalist murders http://ur1.ca/tj95 #douchebags | Apr 05 23:08 | |
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| DaemonFC | not really a good comparison | Apr 05 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | there's no justification for what the priests did | Apr 05 23:08 |
| davidgerard | i've heard people defending the utterly indefensible in that video, and it's the comparison that springs to mind | Apr 05 23:08 |
| MinceR | it's the kids fault for being in the way of... yeah. | Apr 05 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | if a camera is mistaken for a weapon, I wouldn't be surprised of the person holding it got shot | Apr 05 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | don't go into a war zone expecting to come out in one piece | Apr 05 23:09 |
| MinceR | and it's those people's fault for getting in the way of the bullets and missiles | Apr 05 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | they should have known the risk | Apr 05 23:09 |
| davidgerard | oh, the iraqis didn't have to go into the war zone | Apr 05 23:09 |
| davidgerard | america brought the war zone to them | Apr 05 23:09 |
| MinceR | yeah, they should have known the risk, considering that usian armed forces are known for even shooting at each other :> | Apr 05 23:09 |
| davidgerard | but you're right, it's their own fault for living in iraq | Apr 05 23:09 |
| MinceR | davidgerard: In Soviet Iraq, war zone comes to YOU!! | Apr 05 23:09 |
| davidgerard | therefore they should, per the soundtrack, be treated as video game sprites | Apr 05 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | most Iraqis killed are killed by Muslims | Apr 05 23:09 |
| davidgerard | uh, most iraqis *are* muslims. | Apr 05 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | the more extreme Muslims | Apr 05 23:10 |
| davidgerard | you're doing great convincing me, do please continue | Apr 05 23:10 |
| MinceR | there's always a more extreme muslim? | Apr 05 23:10 |
| MinceR | (there's always a bigger fish) | Apr 05 23:10 |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 05 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | but people gloss over Muslim bombing attacks that kill hundreds of people for no reason | Apr 05 23:10 |
| davidgerard | you mean, most iraqi video game sprites are killed by other video game sprites, so the video, the killing, the soundtrack and the coverup are only to be expected? | Apr 05 23:10 |
| davidgerard | your logic is unassailable | Apr 05 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | and bitch whenever a news camera is mistaken for a weapon and the guy gets shot | Apr 05 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | davidgerard: You're an apologist | Apr 05 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | Where's your outcry at the Muslim extremists bombing the Iraqis? | Apr 05 23:11 |
| davidgerard | er, no, you're the one being an apologist for the act of murder in that video | Apr 05 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | none at all? not a shock | Apr 05 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | you're a liberal | Apr 05 23:11 |
| davidgerard | yeah, well, you use windows | Apr 05 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | when it's Iraqis killing 90% of the Iraqis who are dying there | Apr 05 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | lets gloss it over | Apr 05 23:12 |
| davidgerard | this appears to be something happening mostly in your head, spilling over into irc. it would hardly matter who you were talking to. | Apr 05 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know exactly what point the Muslim extremists are making in murdering Iraqis | Apr 05 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | it's fear and intimidation | Apr 05 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | don't vote or we'll cut your hand off | Apr 05 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | don't go to the grocery store or we'll blow you up with an IED | Apr 05 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 05 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | but to what end? | Apr 05 23:13 |
| davidgerard | see? | Apr 05 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | do they think they'll rally the people againt the Americans or the Muslim fanatics blowing them up and cutting their hands off? | Apr 05 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | I know which one I'd think less of | Apr 05 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | You won't win hearts and minds by blowing the people up and cutting their hands off for having voted | Apr 05 23:15 |
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| DaemonFC | in fact, many civilians voting in their elections were defiant against the Muslim extremists | Apr 05 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | not us | Apr 05 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | knowing full well the threat of having their hands cut off for voting | Apr 05 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | or bombs going off all over Baghdad | Apr 05 23:16 |
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| DaemonFC | they're tired of living that way and they're not exactly holding the occupation force to blame for that | Apr 05 23:16 |
| davidgerard | your topicality is so far on it defies believe | Apr 05 23:16 |
| davidgerard | belief | Apr 05 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | they know full well that these guys were always there | Apr 05 23:16 |
| davidgerard | but do, please, continue | Apr 05 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | and that Saddam Hussein was suppressing them | Apr 05 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | no, I'd say this "If you're a Muslim extremist, and you want to meet Allah, I'll be happy to introduce you" | Apr 05 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | they think if they murder people, they'll be on this Allah fellows good side in their afterlife myth | Apr 05 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | that's what defies belief | Apr 05 23:19 |
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| DaemonFC | that's why they wear turbans I guess | Apr 05 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 05 23:24 |
| davidgerard | oh yeah? http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Rms.jpg | Apr 05 23:25 |
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| davidgerard | http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/UnNews:Bill_Clinton:_All_you_need_is_Ubuntu_Linux | Apr 05 23:26 |
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| DaemonFC | the guy with the camera was also acting suspiciously | Apr 05 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | ducking around the corner and pointing it at the helicopter | Apr 05 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | made it look like he had an RPG and was trying to get a clear shot | Apr 05 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | I'd say this was more than likely an honest mistake | Apr 05 23:28 |
| davidgerard | you can tell from the soundtrack commentary | Apr 05 23:29 |
| davidgerard | http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Linux_Pride | Apr 05 23:29 |
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| DaemonFC | That they thought the guys were armed with AK-47s and that one had an RPG and was trying to get a shot at the helicopter | Apr 05 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | looks like a reasonable assumption | Apr 05 23:29 |
| davidgerard | pat on head, dear. | Apr 05 23:30 |
| *davidgerard is off now | Apr 05 23:30 | |
| DaemonFC | but one of them mentioned that there was shooting going on down there | Apr 05 23:30 |
| davidgerard | i expect to see you still ranting tomorrow, but anyway | Apr 05 23:30 |
| davidgerard | nite all | Apr 05 23:30 |
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