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| _goblin | de Icazza seems to have lost his sense of politeness..... | Apr 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Yes, he received "MVP" | Apr 07 00:10 |
| _goblin | rather patronizing comment towards Omar | Apr 07 00:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Extreme Floods, landslides near Rio kill 90, shut down transport http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8605386.stm #brasil #climatechange | Apr 07 00:10 | |
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| sebsebseb | _goblin: where? | Apr 07 00:10 |
| _goblin | Funny how its always Mono that generates this behavior | Apr 07 00:10 |
| _goblin | ...stand by link... | Apr 07 00:10 |
| _goblin | http://twitter.com/migueldeicaza | Apr 07 00:11 |
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| _goblin | sixth comment down | Apr 07 00:11 |
| _goblin | "You seem like a nice kid, but you should not talk about things you dont know about, you just look stupid." | Apr 07 00:12 |
| _goblin | Nice kid? | Apr 07 00:12 |
| _goblin | how insulting...... | Apr 07 00:12 |
| _goblin | Mind you from a contact of Jo Shields...I would have expected alot worse. | Apr 07 00:13 |
| _goblin | we should probably be thankful it wasn't Jo making the comment at Omar......who knows what he would have put. | Apr 07 00:13 |
| sebsebseb | So what you guys think to Songbird getting rid of their Linux support? | Apr 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: typical Microsoft technique | Apr 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Fox uses that too | Apr 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Call your opposition "boy" or "kid" | Apr 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes by invoking "momma" | Apr 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz | It's a way of daemonising someone in a debate without it being too apparent | Apr 07 00:16 |
| _goblin | Good effort their by de Icazza....because Ive always found him polite/restrained. | Apr 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Red Herring and Straw Men are other tricks | Apr 07 00:16 |
| _goblin | he's let himself down... | Apr 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz | He called Jeremy Allison names | Apr 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz | He's off the hook | Apr 07 00:17 |
| _goblin | I think though it does have an interesting point....if he really believes that Omar is a "kid" then surely he must be worried about perception of the Mono product? If he doesn't then he used the word "kid" to try to insult.....either way it looks rather bad for the Mono image. | Apr 07 00:18 |
| _goblin | Whatever the truth about Mono and whatever intentions there may be for it, it matters not if perception turns people away....... | Apr 07 00:18 |
| _goblin | The "gift to the world" seems to me to be a little bit like the one Tony Blair handed over to Brown...... | Apr 07 00:19 |
| _goblin | a bit of a poison challice. | Apr 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz | tessier_: ping? | Apr 07 00:19 |
| _goblin | pong | Apr 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz | :-p | Apr 07 00:20 |
| _goblin | Saw that US footage roy. | Apr 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz | I registered another domain | Apr 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz | .com | Apr 07 00:20 |
| _goblin | I am waiting for you to ask me for my view. | Apr 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz | To block trolls | Apr 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: were they armed? | Apr 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz | I tried to find something refuting it, to no avail | Apr 07 00:21 |
| _goblin | It was completely wrong........but then having worked side by side with the US before, it doesn't surprise me. | Apr 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz | The Al-Jazeera coverage makes it clear it's authentic | Apr 07 00:21 |
| _goblin | *wrong as in US actions were wrong. | Apr 07 00:21 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: were the people armed? | Apr 07 00:21 |
| _goblin | don't believe so... | Apr 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Except the camera which they though was a weapon... | Apr 07 00:21 |
| _goblin | yep.... | Apr 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: I know another similar video | Apr 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Very similar | Apr 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Also apache | Apr 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz | hold on... | Apr 07 00:21 |
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| _goblin | but as I say......in respect of US forces, this is not a surprise. | Apr 07 00:22 |
| _goblin | remember these are the people who paint faces on hellfires..... | Apr 07 00:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] School sets up 1 prom for intolerant bigots, another for lesbian? ...! http://inquisitr.com/69069/constance-mcmillen-fake-prom-confirmed/ | Apr 07 00:22 | |
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| schestowitz | Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYbpgNRLppk | Apr 07 00:22 |
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| _goblin | yeah Ive seen that and another "engagement" in a street. | Apr 07 00:23 |
| _goblin | any coincidence that the same is not seen by UK forces? | Apr 07 00:24 |
| _goblin | our rules of engagement are different. | Apr 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Does the UK make advanced helicopters? | Apr 07 00:24 |
| _goblin | nope..... | Apr 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Few countries do | Apr 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz | They import | Apr 07 00:25 |
| _goblin | I was disgusted by the delight that was taken in taking human life....."enemy" or not, to end anothers life is always a tragedy. | Apr 07 00:25 |
| _goblin | I tried telling daemonfc this a while ago..... | Apr 07 00:26 |
| _goblin | when he was off on one of his firearm rants. | Apr 07 00:26 |
| _goblin | and I hate that term "Light em up".......disgusting. | Apr 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, he's in rant mode these days | Apr 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz | Upset at his mayor | Apr 07 00:27 |
| _goblin | So am I. | Apr 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2010/04/06/post-for-huntington-indiana-residents-concerned-with-trash-pickup/ | Apr 07 00:27 |
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| _goblin | I want red ken back! | Apr 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz | I find the work "engagement" annoying | Apr 07 00:28 |
| _goblin | as in warfare or marrage? | Apr 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz | They compare death to wedding, association-wise | Apr 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Then there's "rendition" | Apr 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Mr. Sinatra shall offer us a nice rendition... | Apr 07 00:28 |
| _goblin | for want of a better word....to engage the enemy.....meeting the enemy on ground in full knowledge of a combat situation. | Apr 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz | And for his next act, Mr. Cheney has a sweet rendition for us... | Apr 07 00:29 |
| _goblin | otherwise it would be an "encounter" | Apr 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Enemy combatant | Apr 07 00:29 |
| _goblin | but I see what you mean. | Apr 07 00:29 |
| _goblin | not all "enemy" combat though | Apr 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz | terrorist for them | Apr 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz | It's shrewd | Apr 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz | How to use vocabulary | Apr 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz | You control the press this way | Apr 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Many papers write "piracy" | Apr 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Or "theft" | Apr 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz | They say "intellectual property" | Apr 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz | They should say "monopoly" | Apr 07 00:30 |
| _goblin | _Maven_ is dead btw | Apr 07 00:30 |
| _goblin | overdose apparently in his cell | Apr 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz | As in, the file sharer infringed on the monopoly | Apr 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Rather than: | Apr 07 00:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@ryanmcgreal yeah makes your head spin doesn't it. :) I just loved the naïvete of "first rule of blacklist is don't mention the blacklist" | Apr 07 00:30 | |
| schestowitz | THe theif stole intellectual property | Apr 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Same story, different wording | Apr 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: overdose of what? | Apr 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Blown up bladdr from water? | Apr 07 00:31 |
| _goblin | anti-depressants I believe....he died today | Apr 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Who's _Maven_? | Apr 07 00:31 |
| _goblin | people think it may be suicide....rather than accidental overdose. | Apr 07 00:31 |
| _goblin | Roy? Whose Maven? | Apr 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz | *who's? | Apr 07 00:32 |
| _goblin | one of the biggest CAM players in the scene.... | Apr 07 00:32 |
| _goblin | and yeah fair comment. | Apr 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz | There are many maven | Apr 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz | 'the' maven? | Apr 07 00:32 |
| _goblin | released alot of TS and CAM warez | Apr 07 00:32 |
| _goblin | got caught filming in a cinema.....hunted down by police and arrested. | Apr 07 00:33 |
| _goblin | oh yeah and almost forgot..... | Apr 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.metafilter.com/90033/The-maven-is-dead-long-live-the-maven? | Apr 07 00:33 |
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| _goblin | was selling the stuff he was infringing....... | Apr 07 00:33 |
| _goblin | so what makes him different from the "evil" companies that produce the stuff? | Apr 07 00:34 |
| schestowitz | I don't come in much contact with Hollywood 'content' | Apr 07 00:34 |
| _goblin | you are wise.... | Apr 07 00:34 |
| _goblin | I try to avoid it too...... | Apr 07 00:34 |
| schestowitz | It makes me less average | Apr 07 00:34 |
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| schestowitz | Avrage/normal/'in' | Apr 07 00:34 |
| _goblin | Went to the cinema to see Avatar....... | Apr 07 00:34 |
| schestowitz | I used to keep track of TV shows | Apr 07 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Now I'm rather oblivious to many | Apr 07 00:35 |
| _goblin | I would rather have spent an evening at a Windows 7 party hosted by Andre Da Costa. | Apr 07 00:35 |
| schestowitz | Haha | Apr 07 00:35 |
| _goblin | with de Icazza serving the punch | Apr 07 00:35 |
| schestowitz | Imagine what he'd say while drunk | Apr 07 00:35 |
| schestowitz | Ewww... | Apr 07 00:35 |
| schestowitz | This starts to sound not like the kind of party I thought of | Apr 07 00:35 |
| schestowitz | Stop it, please! | Apr 07 00:35 |
| _goblin | what happened with the DEB today? George Galloway says on his twitter he was unable to vote on it. | Apr 07 00:36 |
| _goblin | this is good.... | Apr 07 00:37 |
| _goblin | written on Twitter by the ex editor of Neowin site ..... | Apr 07 00:37 |
| _goblin | "Finding @adacosta to be the most annoying voice on my steam today. Does being an MS MVP mean you have to be such a troll?" | Apr 07 00:37 |
| _goblin | simple answer.....yes.... | Apr 07 00:38 |
| _goblin | complex answer yes, but the idea is you are never found out because you nymshift. | Apr 07 00:38 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: where is this from? | Apr 07 00:40 |
| schestowitz | Da Costa is a twit in twitter | Apr 07 00:40 |
| schestowitz | I guess he's like "MJ", trying to appear like someone else | Apr 07 00:41 |
| _goblin | I'll link you.... | Apr 07 00:41 |
| _goblin | http://twitter.com/Marshalus/status/11547340504 | Apr 07 00:41 |
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| _goblin | schestowitz: please can you consider getting rid of "watching and reporting maneuvers of our adversaries" .... to me it makes us look paranoid.. | Apr 07 00:44 |
| _goblin | like the people who think theres aliens in area 51# | Apr 07 00:44 |
| scientes | _goblin, does free software have adversaries? | Apr 07 00:45 |
| scientes | but yeah | Apr 07 00:45 |
| scientes | they are generally working towards what they believe is their own self interest | Apr 07 00:45 |
| _goblin | or do we? | Apr 07 00:45 |
| _goblin | even if I did consider our MS faithful to be "against us".....I think "adversary" gives them far too much credit as I don't think they are a challenge at all. | Apr 07 00:46 |
| scientes | _goblin, exactly | Apr 07 00:46 |
| _goblin | maybe instead it should be: | Apr 07 00:46 |
| _goblin | "Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those less fortunate than ourselves" | Apr 07 00:46 |
| scientes | EFF's is good "defending your rights in the digital world" | Apr 07 00:47 |
| _goblin | I think my slogan is the best | Apr 07 00:47 |
| scientes | _goblin, no need for shaudenfreude | Apr 07 00:47 |
| _goblin | lol | Apr 07 00:47 |
| _goblin | you got that off the simpsons didn't you | Apr 07 00:47 |
| scientes | no, its a common word | Apr 07 00:47 |
| scientes | simpson's is just a projection of the larger world | Apr 07 00:47 |
| scientes | they don't create culture | Apr 07 00:47 |
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| _goblin | but you know the simpsons episode I mean though...don't you? | Apr 07 00:48 |
| schestowitz | We need to show this to daemonfox: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cebo_kI_BOo&NR=1 | Apr 07 00:48 |
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| scientes | no i dont | Apr 07 00:48 |
| scientes | because i havn't watched that show since it stopped being funny | Apr 07 00:48 |
| _goblin | I jest of course... | Apr 07 00:48 |
| scientes | in fact, i don't watch TV anymore | Apr 07 00:48 |
| _goblin | To be fair, I hadn't heard the term much.... | Apr 07 00:48 |
| scientes | ahh | Apr 07 00:48 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: you're the only person having an issue with that sentence so far | Apr 07 00:48 |
| _goblin | it was a recent simpsons re-run that reminded me of it. | Apr 07 00:49 |
| scientes | I like it | Apr 07 00:49 |
| scientes | it's edgy | Apr 07 00:49 |
| scientes | and conjures up a unified front | Apr 07 00:49 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: change to "Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those less fortunate than ourselves"? | Apr 07 00:49 |
| schestowitz | It's belittling other people | Apr 07 00:49 |
| _goblin | no its not... | Apr 07 00:49 |
| scientes | which is important for free software: which is compramized by alot of individual self-motivated people | Apr 07 00:50 |
| _goblin | Do you agree FOSS is the far less restrictive model than say a Microsoft one? | Apr 07 00:50 |
| scientes | *which is created | Apr 07 00:50 |
| _goblin | for the end user. | Apr 07 00:50 |
| scientes | I like it | Apr 07 00:50 |
| _goblin | Because if you truly agree that Linux/FOSS is the far better software environment to be in, rather than a proprietary Microsoft one, then I think its fair to see that you would see someone stuck in a Windows lockin life as being less fortunate....I would say its a compassionate statement. | Apr 07 00:52 |
| _goblin | Not belittling......charitable.....and it doesn't state who is less fortunate..... | Apr 07 00:52 |
| _goblin | of course Im being flippant.....but the point I was making was I really think that slogan is a bad idea. | Apr 07 00:53 |
| _goblin | this is not a war....its about enlightenment and supporting the best products for the end users needs...... | Apr 07 00:53 |
| _goblin | and who knows, someone today who is an adversary could be a real contributor in the future. | Apr 07 00:54 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: how about changing to "Free software adversaries"? | Apr 07 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Rather than "our" | Apr 07 00:55 |
| _goblin | nah....still making a war out of it and feeding the myth that we as Linux/FOSS users are zeolots engages in some battle in our heads. | Apr 07 00:55 |
| schestowitz | adversaries for hijacked by US DOD | Apr 07 00:55 |
| schestowitz | They misuse the word | Apr 07 00:55 |
| schestowitz | Like Maverick+Palin | Apr 07 00:55 |
| _goblin | hey.... | Apr 07 00:55 |
| _goblin | you leave Palin alone | Apr 07 00:56 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: look up def of adversaries | Apr 07 00:56 |
| _goblin | she's lovely | Apr 07 00:56 |
| schestowitz | Na | Apr 07 00:56 |
| _goblin | ;) | Apr 07 00:56 |
| schestowitz | She's dangerous | Apr 07 00:56 |
| _goblin | I'd forgive that. | Apr 07 00:56 |
| _goblin | how about.... | Apr 07 00:56 |
| _goblin | Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting unfair practices from those threatened by Free Software | Apr 07 00:57 |
| schestowitz | It was a suggestion from RMS | Apr 07 00:57 |
| schestowitz | So not my wording | Apr 07 00:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] wait a sec, i'll ask @god what he meant... yup... he said, leave all your gold in the temple in a box with my name on it | Apr 07 00:57 | |
| _goblin | got it... | Apr 07 00:57 |
| _goblin | Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by free software | Apr 07 00:58 |
| schestowitz | I'll change it for now | Apr 07 00:58 |
| _goblin | Yes...I like my last suggestion. | Apr 07 00:58 |
| _goblin | perception management.....I'm probably better than Microsoft at it.... | Apr 07 00:58 |
| schestowitz | OK, done | Apr 07 00:59 |
| schestowitz | I'll change the logo too | Apr 07 00:59 |
| _goblin | do you see what I mean? | Apr 07 00:59 |
| schestowitz | I'll wait actually | Apr 07 01:00 |
| schestowitz | One reader wants to prepare one | Apr 07 01:00 |
| _goblin | I had an idea for April the 1st where I was going to pretend that I was now a Microsoft employee...... | Apr 07 01:01 |
| _goblin | I changed my mind at the last minute.... | Apr 07 01:01 |
| _goblin | the confusion it would have caused.....and the "joke" probably would have got lost..... | Apr 07 01:01 |
| _goblin | I am still waiting for Torrentfreak to respond to my email. | Apr 07 01:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Opera for Android is really rather good......I think it may be the browser of choice on my HTC very soon. | Apr 07 01:04 | |
| schestowitz | You're an MPAA shill :-) | Apr 07 01:06 |
| _goblin | yep... | Apr 07 01:07 |
| _goblin | did I tell you I have an HTC? | Apr 07 01:08 |
| _goblin | very good.... | Apr 07 01:08 |
| _goblin | is this how I get freebies? | Apr 07 01:08 |
| _goblin | I will have to pimp T-mobile too because I got a very good deal/contract on it when I renewed... | Apr 07 01:09 |
| _goblin | What about RIAA? | Apr 07 01:09 |
| oiaohm | That could have backfired bady _goblin | Apr 07 01:12 |
| oiaohm | Wise move. | Apr 07 01:12 |
| _goblin | oiaohm: Yeah...trying to explain it was all an april fools gag would have been difficult. | Apr 07 01:17 |
| oiaohm | My years april first post has grown legs. | Apr 07 01:20 |
| oiaohm | Still got to follow it up this weekend with HTML 5 standard construction. | Apr 07 01:20 |
| oiaohm | Yes I know this is wrong. I forgot it was april first until after I posted. | Apr 07 01:21 |
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| _goblin | Right....time for bed.... | Apr 07 01:27 |
| _goblin | Smoke me a kipper I'll be back for breakfast. | Apr 07 01:27 |
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| schestowitz | We need a decimal time system | Apr 07 01:49 |
| schestowitz | This would simplify the science of physics | Apr 07 01:50 |
| cubezzz | base 60 works for me :) | Apr 07 01:51 |
| cubezzz | we do have a digital time system | Apr 07 01:51 |
| WireWulf | a earthday is really only like 23:57 hours long | Apr 07 01:52 |
| WireWulf | i hate daylight savings time | Apr 07 01:52 |
| cubezzz | should we have a decimal based year too? | Apr 07 01:52 |
| cubezzz | you can see the problems... | Apr 07 01:52 |
| cubezzz | yeah DST is a pain | Apr 07 01:53 |
| WireWulf | decimal base year | Apr 07 01:53 |
| cubezzz | and computer types don't need DST | Apr 07 01:53 |
| WireWulf | hmm 2010.4.89 ? | Apr 07 01:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mono Team Develops More #Windows Software and Mocks Critics http://boycottnovell.com/2010/04/06/mono-visual-studio-for-windows/ | Apr 07 01:53 | |
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| cubezzz | you can't reduce everything to base 10 | Apr 07 01:53 |
| WireWulf | you could use base 16 on a year :P | Apr 07 01:54 |
| schestowitz | Could do something like UNIX time | Apr 07 01:54 |
| cubezzz | e.g. we don't talk about deci-years | Apr 07 01:55 |
| schestowitz | Just with more connection to nature cycles | Apr 07 01:55 |
| schestowitz | Like tuning in a day to a 1000000 unit | Apr 07 01:55 |
| WireWulf | schestowitz unix time is still better then M$ rime | Apr 07 01:55 |
| cubezzz | 1 year, 1 day, 1 month | Apr 07 01:55 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: not decimal | Apr 07 01:55 |
| schestowitz | 365, 1, 30 | Apr 07 01:56 |
| schestowitz | Not even constant | Apr 07 01:56 |
| schestowitz | Rounded up with leaps to correct | Apr 07 01:56 |
| schestowitz | I finally found out where 1 gram comes from | Apr 07 01:56 |
| schestowitz | Historically it's based on water weight | Apr 07 01:56 |
| schestowitz | But I still don't know where meter came from | Apr 07 01:56 |
| schestowitz | Time comes from Earth's revolution, then divided into 24,60,60 | Apr 07 01:57 |
| WireWulf | however time is far from right :P | Apr 07 01:57 |
| cubezzz | well get rid of DST for starters | Apr 07 01:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft has found ‘creative’ ways of preventing people from actually choosing a Web browser http://ur1.ca/tsim | Apr 07 01:58 | |
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| schestowitz | WireWulf: no time LEFT | Apr 07 01:58 |
| WireWulf | all DST is to do is help fix the issue with the 4min uncounted by are math on time | Apr 07 01:58 |
| schestowitz | Quartz can just be readjusted | Apr 07 01:59 |
| schestowitz | There will be 'old minute' and 'new minute' | Apr 07 01:59 |
| schestowitz | But better to just move to decimal | Apr 07 01:59 |
| schestowitz | Kelvin for temperature | Apr 07 02:00 |
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| schestowitz | We have 10 fingers | Apr 07 02:00 |
| WireWulf | um year,day,hour:min:sec.etc.etc.etc.nanosec | Apr 07 02:00 |
| schestowitz | It'll be easier to teach kids about time | Apr 07 02:00 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, so why not kilosecond? | Apr 07 02:01 |
| WireWulf | i dont think time would really do good on base 10 | Apr 07 02:01 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz: your toes aren't something you use often these days. | Apr 07 02:01 |
| schestowitz | Megaseconds, etc. | Apr 07 02:01 |
| WireWulf | as we seem to be more to a 32 or 64bit clock | Apr 07 02:01 |
| schestowitz | Light speed is always the same | Apr 07 02:01 |
| schestowitz | Can derive time from that | Apr 07 02:02 |
| schestowitz | Universal | Apr 07 02:02 |
| schestowitz | Not dependent on any one planet, which can change course or speed anyway | Apr 07 02:02 |
| WireWulf | s a base 16 clock would work better | Apr 07 02:02 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz: then make a new form of time and make it FOSS, something you can install into any OS or even BIOS | Apr 07 02:02 |
| schestowitz | Ziodotmatrix: we could evolve to have toes | Apr 07 02:03 |
| schestowitz | Just need to breed mutations | Apr 07 02:03 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz: umm you don't have toes? | Apr 07 02:03 |
| schestowitz | Maybe IBM will invent decimal time and apply for a patent on it | Apr 07 02:03 |
| schestowitz | Free for independent developers, of course | Apr 07 02:03 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz: miliseconds, deciseconds | Apr 07 02:04 |
| schestowitz | Ziodotmatrix: I do actually. 10 | Apr 07 02:04 |
| schestowitz | But I wear shoes | Apr 07 02:04 |
| cubezzz | yeah we should use base 20 :) | Apr 07 02:04 |
| schestowitz | Classrooms would stink if kids were taught base 20 | Apr 07 02:04 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: better take natural units | Apr 07 02:05 |
| WireWulf | cubezzz why use base 20 if we use computers | Apr 07 02:05 |
| schestowitz | 2^a | Apr 07 02:05 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz: If time became a real issue quantum, atro and nano physicists would let us know. | Apr 07 02:05 |
| schestowitz | The universe is binary | Apr 07 02:05 |
| schestowitz | Although at a fine level it's all crazy | Apr 07 02:05 |
| WireWulf | the universe is no where near binary | Apr 07 02:05 |
| schestowitz | With quantum physics we could make non-binary machines | Apr 07 02:05 |
| WireWulf | schestowitz the US military has beat you there | Apr 07 02:06 |
| schestowitz | But there's uncertainty involved, and particles being in two positions at the same time | Apr 07 02:06 |
| schestowitz | WireWulf: not when you get down to sub-atomic physics | Apr 07 02:06 |
| schestowitz | But we abstract that | Apr 07 02:06 |
| schestowitz | For example, you can't change the route of an electron's orbit | Apr 07 02:07 |
| schestowitz | It's a non-discrete process, which is counter-intuitive | Apr 07 02:07 |
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| WireWulf | schestowitz the mircoverse could be binary however the macroverse to omiverse is illogical | Apr 07 02:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Saw District 9 last night. Subtexts even more poignant as racial violence simmers again in South Africa (and elsewhere). | Apr 07 02:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #District9 reminds me of Starship Troopers 2. Blomkamp and Tippett both superb technicians oddly paired with subtext-charged scripts. | Apr 07 02:13 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@StopBeck self-serving Mil+Prison Industrial Complexes foster disparity bw rich/poor //humans R raw materials; poor kill poor, rich profit | Apr 07 02:16 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #District9 also comparable to Starship Troopers the first. #movies | Apr 07 02:17 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #District9's lead character not quite complex enough. Too much material for 2 hours. Ugly Psych of #Xenophobia mostly unexplored, but hovers | Apr 07 02:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Safe to say most #District9's western audience did not recognise the icons of oppression (Haven't read "Politics of Cruelty" either) #soweto | Apr 07 02:20 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] A lot of work for just a little insight. While apparently fundamental themes, #District9 isn't going to change the world. Nor is #Avatar. | Apr 07 02:21 | |
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| yuhong | http://blogs.msdn.com/michkap/archive/2010/02/23/9967789.aspx#9988628 | Apr 07 02:23 |
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| yuhong | "Yea, it is an unfortunate curse of non open-source software and the Microsoft development process that a simple option like this would be so hard to add." | Apr 07 02:23 |
| cubezzz | uh, i don't use windows | Apr 07 02:27 |
| cubezzz | I know not to use it | Apr 07 02:27 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: I'm not interested in MSDN | Apr 07 02:27 |
| schestowitz | They writes for a corporation | Apr 07 02:27 |
| schestowitz | So it's not human | Apr 07 02:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IBM ’s dark side shown to the public http://boycottnovell.com/2010/04/06/ibm-dark-side/ #swpat #monopolist | Apr 07 02:27 | |
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| yuhong | Yes. | Apr 07 02:27 |
| schestowitz | They are paid to absorb doctrined | Apr 07 02:27 |
| schestowitz | *nes | Apr 07 02:27 |
| yuhong | "Yea, it is an unfortunate curse of non open-source software and the Microsoft development process that a simple option like this would be so hard to add." | Apr 07 02:28 |
| cubezzz | use the programmer as a revenue source... | Apr 07 02:28 |
| yuhong | http://blogs.msdn.com/michkap/archive/2010/02/23/9967789.aspx#9988628 | Apr 07 02:28 |
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| cubezzz | right, so don't use it :) | Apr 07 02:28 |
| cubezzz | simple | Apr 07 02:28 |
| cubezzz | you have convinced me :) | Apr 07 02:29 |
| yuhong | But what do you think of the quote. | Apr 07 02:29 |
| cubezzz | it's pretty self evident I'd say | Apr 07 02:29 |
| yuhong | MSDN Blogs is human I think, but the docs are not. | Apr 07 02:29 |
| cubezzz | I thought windows was crap in the 80's :) | Apr 07 02:30 |
| yuhong | Ok. | Apr 07 02:30 |
| yuhong | MSDN Blogs is human I think, but the docs are not. | Apr 07 02:30 |
| cubezzz | I haven't changed my mind | Apr 07 02:30 |
| yuhong | schestowitz: MSDN Blogs is human I think, but the docs are not. | Apr 07 02:30 |
| yuhong | BTW, IBM is fighting against Hercules services. | Apr 07 02:31 |
| yuhong | IBM's fight against clone mainframes and unapproved mainframe emulaiton has a long history. | Apr 07 02:32 |
| yuhong | Including being the topic of anti-trust lawsuits, and more. | Apr 07 02:32 |
| cubezzz | Linux, although it's not perfect, is the best OS so far | Apr 07 02:33 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: stop repeating | Apr 07 02:33 |
| schestowitz | It looks retarded sometimes | Apr 07 02:33 |
| yuhong | Ok. | Apr 07 02:33 |
| cubezzz | I'm really really unhappy with blogger | Apr 07 02:33 |
| schestowitz | blubber?? | Apr 07 02:34 |
| cubezzz | give me an alternative :) | Apr 07 02:34 |
| cubezzz | their ftp service is the worst ever | Apr 07 02:34 |
| yuhong | http://techrights.org/2010/04/06/ibm-dark-side/#comment-88078 | Apr 07 02:34 |
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| yuhong | How about WordPress | Apr 07 02:34 |
| yuhong | How about WordPress? | Apr 07 02:34 |
| yuhong | There is also TechNet Blogs, BTW. | Apr 07 02:35 |
| cubezzz | yeah, I'm considering it | Apr 07 02:35 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @rayvelline Court: OK to #Taser Pregnant Women (multiple times) http://bit.ly/cELssY // even worse than it sounds; failure on every level | Apr 07 03:15 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@FineGirlB Sometimes life gives you lemons, I say fuck lemonade go buy some vodka! // caipirosca #ftw | Apr 07 03:35 | |
| cubezzz | wow, I forget all my mysql stuff | Apr 07 03:45 |
| cubezzz | and it's too old :-/ | Apr 07 03:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@rww @Twitter Introduces #Gizzard Distributed Datastore Framework http://bit.ly/c5ZCzE // #nih #branding #nosql everybody's got one | Apr 07 03:45 | |
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| cubezzz | my mysql is too old, damn | Apr 07 03:45 |
| cubezzz | tonight has been crap | Apr 07 03:46 |
| cubezzz | endless upgrades | Apr 07 03:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@TheStory It's a pity I won't last forever... // channeling Roy Batty? :) | Apr 07 03:47 | |
| cubezzz | Blade Runner ref | Apr 07 03:47 |
| cubezzz | imagine me trying to do this stuff on Amiga though | Apr 07 03:50 |
| cubezzz | it would be even harder | Apr 07 03:50 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] James Gannon Presentation - Copyright Viewed By A Lawyer - Correct Legally But Wrong - Part 1 http://bit.ly/b05yA8 | Apr 07 03:52 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] In a civilised country, #Taser would be outlawed and Taser International shuttered. #kthxbai | Apr 07 03:52 | |
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| scientes_ | any good audio/mp3 players for realy, really cheap? | Apr 07 04:28 |
| scientes_ | that can play ogg as well | Apr 07 04:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] I hope #firefox' popularity doesn't make them lose edge. There's a lot of de-bloating still to do. | Apr 07 04:29 | |
| scientes_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbis#Hardware | Apr 07 04:29 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] On reflection yes, #District9 tried to do too much, too fast. It would have been a better miniseries. #movies | Apr 07 04:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] via @sandrabuarque http://bit.ly/c4c2hn "No doubt, [Cameron] has already sensed..parallels bw..Pandora & Amazon" err that's the WHOLE POINT? | Apr 07 04:55 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @nataliecastoro Q:how many kids do you wanna have A:i dont know .. but ive always wanted 4 //protip: start with ONE &see how that goes | Apr 07 04:58 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Right wing focus on #Obama The Man is ridiculous, not to mention a deliberate distraction... Spokesmen are perfectly replaceable. | Apr 07 05:14 | |
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| cubezzz | scientes_ get a zaurus sl-5500 | Apr 07 06:10 |
| cubezzz | they are Linux based, programmable, and not very expensive | Apr 07 06:10 |
| enthymeme | how much, cubezzz? | Apr 07 06:15 |
| cubezzz | around $75-$80 | Apr 07 06:15 |
| enthymeme | nice | Apr 07 06:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #RMS: 'singing telegram [rejecting #debill] might make impression, but hurry be4 they extend © on the song' via @toxi http://is.gd/bi3FB | Apr 07 06:26 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "#Murdoch..effectively..member of Cabinet; No big decision [made at] No.10 w/o taking account [his]reaction" http://is.gd/bi5GX @crikey_news | Apr 07 06:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] That #Murdoch calls political shots in #UK is hardly news (haha). Which doesn't make it any less outrageous. #oligarchy abetted by #media | Apr 07 06:39 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @NikDarlington @tomcallow - @GilesCoren "will set up a website & post my stuff free" - good man! // talent will out! in ya face Rupert | Apr 07 06:43 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @terrycojones Friedman-why we (i.e.,the US) need a "job creator's visa" http://nyti.ms/9HOlBM //LOL! That shithead cracks me up evry time | Apr 07 07:30 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Microsoft's Mundie terrified that “our standard of living will eventually revert to global mean" http://nyti.ms/9HOlBM (warning: Friedman) | Apr 07 07:36 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] The concern put about by America's billionaires over evry1 else's standard of living is truly touching. Trickle-up effect waning? #microsoft | Apr 07 07:40 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@njr0 if you send 2 Content-Type headers, #Firefox, #Chrome and Opera use 2nd; #Safari uses 1st. Who knew? // & #IE just crashes? :P | Apr 07 07:43 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] It's probably not coincidental that Friedman chooses to quote, of all things, TOP GUN in his latest column. #dickwad | Apr 07 07:59 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patents Roundup: #USPTO Changes, New Zealand’s Law Ambiguity, #Facebook and #Apple Sued http://ur1.ca/tugb | Apr 07 08:24 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @ImPaolo Former #GITMO Guard meets Former Inmates via #facebook, seeking closure http://bit.ly/cmfPeN #news //Wow, MUST READ #tiptonthree | Apr 07 09:13 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft is spinning security problems and uses the press to pressure people to buy a newer version of Windows http://ur1.ca/tutm | Apr 07 09:54 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Apparently black people aren't allowed to buy #Apple laptops http://ur1.ca/tuto | Apr 07 09:58 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Texas has a huge sodium sulfur battery, approximately 8 hours of power for a small town http://ur1.ca/tuue !science | Apr 07 10:03 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] iPad's A4 is just a customized ARM Cortex A8. only marginally faster than 3GS's A8 on 3D tasks http://ur1.ca/tuut | Apr 07 10:03 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Back to the Future II concept art http://ur1.ca/tuv1 | Apr 07 10:03 | |
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| zoobab | Read this one: | Apr 07 10:04 |
| zoobab | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-20001824-16.html?tag=newsBlogPromoArea.2 | Apr 07 10:04 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Hmm, some people really can't differentiate between a joke and a spam :| | Apr 07 10:08 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] West Virginia mine company could have prevented collapse, government fucked up http://ur1.ca/tuvi | Apr 07 10:08 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Groklaw to be archived by the Library of Congress http://ur1.ca/tuvo | Apr 07 10:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] You cannot just ignore the wishes of your friends and co-worke... More for Aquarius http://twittascope.com/?sign=11 | Apr 07 10:12 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Story of the photographer who took iPad's default background http://ur1.ca/tuw4 | Apr 07 10:13 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Funny user comment. Yes you could have a new application that would allow you to stream stolen Murdoch content You could call it ShitTorrent | Apr 07 10:13 | |
| schestowitz | zoobab: I don't care about Mac Asay | Apr 07 10:19 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Apr 07 10:20 |
| schestowitz | "s Gartner's Brian Prentice puts it:" | Apr 07 10:20 |
| schestowitz | He's still a buddy of this sw pat booster | Apr 07 10:20 |
| schestowitz | He even brought him to FOSS events | Apr 07 10:20 |
| schestowitz | This is the man who will kill Ubuntu | Apr 07 10:20 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: Ubuntu/Canonical is an IBM partner | Apr 07 10:21 |
| schestowitz | They do the African computing thingie | Apr 07 10:21 |
| schestowitz | No disclosure in his post I see... | Apr 07 10:21 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Is it a bad habit to write a blog post with two lines? what is your opinion? | Apr 07 10:23 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] @sagarun Isn't that what Identica is for? | Apr 07 10:28 | |
| zoobab | Redhat is also a good IBM partner | Apr 07 10:37 |
| zoobab | That's why they are trying to defend IBM | Apr 07 10:37 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @wikileaks Calls 4 inquiry re gunship slaughter of Iraqi civilians http://bit.ly/bDawtM //how about calls for STOP THE KILLING #war #iraq | Apr 07 10:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Microsoft – Put up or shut up / Rudeness is the remit of Mono? http://tinyurl.com/ycu55t5 #microsoft #linux #foss #novell #mono | Apr 07 11:12 | |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: who tried to defend them? Jan? | Apr 07 11:17 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Why would an analog meter have the value of Pi marked on it? | Apr 07 11:42 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Misconception about FOSS/Open Source http://post.ly/YRzw | Apr 07 11:56 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Going back to Delhi from Bhopal on Bhopal Express tonight. #journey | Apr 07 12:22 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The World According to Gates: Constructing a System of Profitable Philanthropy http://ur1.ca/tvok #monsanto #gmo #patent #africa #india | Apr 07 12:26 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Oops. Mac [sic] Asay is an IBM partner, but he forgot to point this out in his piece of apologism.... http://ur1.ca/tvp8 | Apr 07 12:30 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Ubuntu's Matt Asay: "TurboHercules is violating IBM's patents, shame on it": http://i5.be/aHY Does Ubuntu/Canonical is now pro swpat? | Apr 07 12:34 | |
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| rights | the TechRights stuff is interesting, | Apr 07 13:12 |
| *rights would like to read that background stuff mostly separate from the boycott - is that the plan ? | Apr 07 13:13 | |
| *rights also wonders if TechRights is supporting the fight vs. the new Digital stupidity act from Mandleson (in the UK) | Apr 07 13:14 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Pieter Hintjens, FFII ex-President: "Matt, shame on you, every OSS project infringe IBM patents somewhere" http://i5.be/aHZ | Apr 07 13:20 | |
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| sebsebseb | Rootkit thing and now this, well this confirms it to me Sony are a bad company. http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/03/28/ps3-firmware-v3-21-update/ http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/03/sony-steals-feature-from-your-playstation-3 | Apr 07 13:37 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] RT @glynmoody An Open Letter to Siôn Simon, Pete Wishart, David Lammy, Peter Luff, John Robertson, Stephen Timms - http://bit.ly/azsaxC | Apr 07 13:37 | |
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| sebsebseb | I don't have a PS3, so it doesn't effect me much. | Apr 07 13:37 |
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| sebsebseb | no one is here | Apr 07 13:38 |
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| sebsebseb | ? | Apr 07 13:39 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] RT @bbctech: Digital election start overshadowed by digital economy bill http://bit.ly/9uEAbA | Apr 07 13:40 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RT @zoobab: Ubuntu's Matt Asay: "TurboHercules is violating IBM's patents, shame on it": http://i5.be/aHY Does Ubuntu/Canonical is now pro s | Apr 07 13:43 | |
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| schestowitz | Hey, rights | Apr 07 13:48 |
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| schestowitz | [13:14] * rights also wonders if TechRights is supporting the fight vs. the new Digital stupidity act from Mandleson (in the UK) | Apr 07 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Yes, see our daily links, they cover a broad range of issues. I can't do posts on everything though, due to lack of time | Apr 07 13:49 |
| schestowitz | Feel free to contribute posts and we'll publish them | Apr 07 13:49 |
| oiaohm | http://www.inhabitat.com/2010/04/06/bob-americas-biggest-sodium-sulfur-battery-powers-a-texas-town/ Now that is a battery | Apr 07 13:51 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: BOB, America's Biggest Sodium Sulfur Battery, Powers a Texas Town | Inhabitat .::. Size~: 123.08 KB | Apr 07 13:51 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYeynLy6pj8 | Apr 07 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | Lots of energy requires to make these | Apr 07 13:51 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Pieter Hintjens, FFII ex-President: "Matt [Asay], shame on you, every OSS project infringe IBM patents somewhere" http://i5.be/aHZ | Apr 07 13:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @mmasnick So for all the people now saying they're ditching their Kindle for their iPad, what happens to all the "books" you "bought"? | Apr 07 13:56 | |
| schestowitz | "@glynmoody feeding the advertising industry to fight DEBIll is soemthing a debill would do, IMHO" | Apr 07 13:57 |
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| schestowitz | Those people think ads as tools to counter an attack on democracy | Apr 07 13:58 |
| schestowitz | Like those "atheist bus" thingies | Apr 07 13:58 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody @Joscelyn @alecmuffett: http://twitpic.com/1dnfdo - This is the chamber debating #debill - basically empty. | Apr 07 14:04 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody @wikileaks Facebook.com has blocked outgoing links to collateralmurder.org (but not as yet, .com) | Apr 07 14:06 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-Source/IBM-Denies-Breaking-Its-Open-Source-Promise-672104/ Makes sence. IBM saber rattling to see what it draws out. | Apr 07 14:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/05/swedish-company-people-of-lava-creates-an-android-based-tv/ | Apr 07 14:12 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: I saw that | Apr 07 14:12 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: that's no different from attacking | Apr 07 14:13 |
| oiaohm | There is a difference. schestowitz IBM has not sued yet. | Apr 07 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Miguel de Icaza, founder of the Mono effort to deliver an open-source implementation of Microsoft's .NET, said, "It is all fun and games until IBM sues your open-source project for patent infringement." << Stupid of him. | Apr 07 14:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Having IBM at your side in the land of Open Source is sort of like having a large carnivore as a pet: http://i5.be/aH1 | Apr 07 14:18 | |
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| oiaohm | TurboHercules started this mess off. | Apr 07 14:19 |
| oiaohm | What did TurboHercules think would happen starting off a anti-trust claim against IBM. | Apr 07 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Worst part of TurboHercules is that the anti-trust claim might have voided its rights to use IBM patents. | Apr 07 14:20 |
| amarsh04 | the hercules ibm360 emulator has a long history | Apr 07 14:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] What the h--? "The New Busy"??? How can that not suck? #microsoft #hotmail | Apr 07 14:23 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @lshelby @SaraLang Palin & Bachmann pairing up for rally may be sign of #apocalypse http://bit.ly/bt5Yoa // A purely man-made one, though | Apr 07 14:25 | |
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| Eruaran | Miguel De Icaza has got some nerve tweeting about IBM's behaviour given his own activities... | Apr 07 14:28 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: there is defensive. TurboHercules started the attack now have to live with the out come. That IBM will be asking a lot of questions about TurboHercules. | Apr 07 14:28 |
| oiaohm | I see this is self causes. IBM has every right to keep a OS closed source if they so wish and limited to a particular bit of hardware. | Apr 07 14:29 |
| oiaohm | There are somethings you don't do. One is prod IBM with a pointy stick. | Apr 07 14:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Mueller can in turn be linked to Microsoft, because he joined forces with Microsoft to oppose the Oracle-Sun deal http://is.gd/bizOT | Apr 07 14:30 | |
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| oiaohm | IBM providing TurboHercules with a list of possiable patents. IF they screw up now and destroy thier patent protection attacking IBM they are up for tripple damages. | Apr 07 14:31 |
| Eruaran | "TurboHercules is a member of organizations founded and funded by IBM competitors such as Microsoft to attack the mainframe. We have doubts about TurboHercules' motivations" | Apr 07 14:31 |
| Eruaran | Once mention of Microsoft enters the picture you can expect IBM to go on the attack. | Apr 07 14:32 |
| oiaohm | Yep IBM is still kinda touchy about any company linked to MS as well. | Apr 07 14:33 |
| oiaohm | I was finding it strange that IBM was acting without provication. | Apr 07 14:34 |
| oiaohm | That is just not IBM. They are normally a large sleeping beast. | Apr 07 14:35 |
| Eruaran | When it comes to Microsoft, even the faintest smell of a proxy attack will provoke IBM. | Apr 07 14:35 |
| oiaohm | IBM has been on the reciveing end of many MS proxy attacks as well. | Apr 07 14:36 |
| Eruaran | IBM is asking, "On who's behalf are you acting?" | Apr 07 14:36 |
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| oiaohm | Not like a open source project should care about access to stuff. | Apr 07 14:36 |
| oiaohm | Open source nature should be just to clone and do better. | Apr 07 14:36 |
| oiaohm | Something is wrong with TurboHercules actions. | Apr 07 14:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@seanodotcom read on free #Kindle app for #iPhone/#iPad. purchases are tied to account, not device //great if it works that way. #amazon | Apr 07 14:37 | |
| harrytuttle | what is wrong with TurboHercules? | Apr 07 14:37 |
| oiaohm | Not like samba anti-trust was asking for MS to hand over code or binaries. They were asking for working docks. | Apr 07 14:37 |
| oiaohm | harrytuttle: what they asked the anti-trust regulator for. | Apr 07 14:38 |
| harrytuttle | so what did they ask for? sry i wasnt following this closely | Apr 07 14:38 |
| oiaohm | That causes a lot of questions. IBM refused to licence particular versions of their OS/s to them. | Apr 07 14:38 |
| oiaohm | So they have gone anti-trust. harrytuttle | Apr 07 14:38 |
| Eruaran | I'm not sure IBM would behave this way if they didn't think there was something more to this. | Apr 07 14:38 |
| oiaohm | Really they are IBM closed source OSs so IBM has the right to do what ever they like with them. | Apr 07 14:39 |
| oiaohm | Not like IBM was blocking them from cloning them. | Apr 07 14:39 |
| Eruaran | Indeed, not a peep from IBM until now... There has to be more to it. | Apr 07 14:40 |
| harrytuttle | so why didnt they simply point to their copyright of their OS when they wouldnt want to block cloning them? | Apr 07 14:40 |
| oiaohm | "IBM is preventing customers from using Hercules (TurboHercules' open-source software) by tying IBM's mainframe operating system with IBM hardware," Roger Bowler, TurboHercules chairman, said in a statement. | Apr 07 14:40 |
| harrytuttle | why patents? | Apr 07 14:40 |
| oiaohm | Because IBM has them. harrytuttle | Apr 07 14:41 |
| oiaohm | And if TurboHercules is working against the interests of open source they don't have the right to be using the patents. harrytuttle | Apr 07 14:41 |
| harrytuttle | you think they are? | Apr 07 14:41 |
| oiaohm | IBM is suspecting. | Apr 07 14:42 |
| schestowitz | [14:19] <oiaohm> TurboHercules started this mess off. | Apr 07 14:42 |
| schestowitz | No | Apr 07 14:42 |
| schestowitz | You lost track | Apr 07 14:42 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK they complained AFTER IBM had sent the nastygram | Apr 07 14:42 |
| oiaohm | They requested quite bluntly for access to IBM OS's before the nastygram. | Apr 07 14:43 |
| oiaohm | That is what caused the nastygram schestowitz | Apr 07 14:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@johnleesandiego that @glennbeckgirl22 is posting confidential info ; could she be an identity thief? // Profile says: certainly a nutjob | Apr 07 14:43 | |
| oiaohm | Some thing you don't do is try to have IBM hand over its very costly developed OS's for nothing. | Apr 07 14:44 |
| oiaohm | Or to assist competitors. | Apr 07 14:44 |
| harrytuttle | so isnt Turbohercules working without that OS? isnt it built in? or is it like an emulator without the roms? | Apr 07 14:44 |
| oiaohm | There are particular OS's that are fine for Turbohercules to use like linux built for the platform. | Apr 07 14:46 |
| oiaohm | And IBM even provides these "The IBM public domain operating systems OS/360, DOS/360, DOS/VS, MVS, VM/370, and TSS/370 run under the emulator." | Apr 07 14:47 |
| harrytuttle | speaking of copying and emulating OS: I have started a little distro clone myself, copying Ubuntu and ripping out Mono and adding WINE default instead | Apr 07 14:47 |
| oiaohm | But IBM holds back these. OS/390, z/OS, VSE/ESA, z/VSE, VM/ESA, and z/VM for their own hardware alone. | Apr 07 14:47 |
| harrytuttle | its called 'Netrunner' | Apr 07 14:47 |
| harrytuttle | running ubuntu NET (without mono ;-) | Apr 07 14:47 |
| oiaohm | IBM is perfectly in their rights todo this. | Apr 07 14:48 |
| oiaohm | Not like the case against apple over the same kind of thing ever got anywhere. | Apr 07 14:48 |
| Eruaran | If you're going to make claims against IBM, you don't want any ties to Microsoft. IBM will view your actions with extreme suspicion. They know how Microsoft operates. | Apr 07 14:48 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I need to confirm the chronology | Apr 07 14:49 |
| schestowitz | As I understand it, Turbo filed the complaint AFTER there were some patent threat and stuff | Apr 07 14:50 |
| schestowitz | When they joined the anti-IBM lobby there was already talk about "IP" in the press | Apr 07 14:50 |
| schestowitz | zoobab linked to it | Apr 07 14:50 |
| schestowitz | So I assume this letter (about a month old) maybe predates the rest | Apr 07 14:50 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/27584634#notice-27620416 "@glynmoody the newspaper ad seems misguided IMHO" | Apr 07 14:51 |
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| schestowitz | And either way, IBM must NOT use patents | Apr 07 14:51 |
| schestowitz | I don't care what the other company did | Apr 07 14:51 |
| oiaohm | They have avoid posting the letter they sent to ibm. schestowitz | Apr 07 14:51 |
| schestowitz | Its patents should be euthanised | Apr 07 14:51 |
| harrytuttle | yeah, only need for copyright | Apr 07 14:51 |
| sebsebseb | In photos/pictures http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/look-at-all-ubuntu-mascots-code-names.html | Apr 07 14:51 |
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| schestowitz | IBM is like the man with the pistol that he won't ever use... unless he's very angry | Apr 07 14:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | and you wont like IBM when hes angry | Apr 07 14:52 |
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| schestowitz | Or a country that has nukes just for defence... until it feels "threatened" and must proactively attack | Apr 07 14:53 |
| Eruaran | I think the fact that IBM mentioned Microsoft tells you where they're coming from. | Apr 07 14:53 |
| schestowitz | US 'defence' forces entering Iraq... | Apr 07 14:53 |
| oiaohm | By the way IBM allows all thoses z platform OS's to be used for research reasons. But not for commerical reasons. | Apr 07 14:53 |
| schestowitz | Why not? | Apr 07 14:53 |
| oiaohm | So IBM really was not getting in the way of cloning. | Apr 07 14:53 |
| schestowitz | Is IBM restricting software use? | Apr 07 14:53 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: IBM has a history of being jerks with sw pats | Apr 07 14:54 |
| schestowitz | This one is just a last straw, that's all | Apr 07 14:54 |
| schestowitz | You insist on defending them | Apr 07 14:54 |
| oiaohm | Simple point here schestowitz. Lets say Turbo wins. And now you cannot restrict how software is used. | Apr 07 14:54 |
| oiaohm | How long before someone trys to force GPL into being like BSD. | Apr 07 14:55 |
| schestowitz | [14:41] <oiaohm> And if TurboHercules is working against the interests of open source they don't have the right to be using the patents. harrytuttle | Apr 07 14:55 |
| schestowitz | Haha | Apr 07 14:55 |
| schestowitz | No | Apr 07 14:55 |
| schestowitz | That's like saying you acknowledge the patents | Apr 07 14:56 |
| schestowitz | Kill the patents, solve the problem | Apr 07 14:56 |
| schestowitz | IBM wants to be in control | Apr 07 14:56 |
| harrytuttle | oiaohm maybe on to something | Apr 07 14:56 |
| schestowitz | As in, IBM to decide who is allowed and who's not | Apr 07 14:56 |
| Eruaran | IBM should not use patents but if they suspect Microsoft involvement, they won't care. | Apr 07 14:56 |
| schestowitz | Cut the middleman, toss IBM | Apr 07 14:56 |
| Eruaran | As long as there is a Microsoft in the world, IBM won't lay down their patent weapons. | Apr 07 14:57 |
| schestowitz | They put barbwire of theirs around code which they claim to be Free | Apr 07 14:57 |
| schestowitz | That's not Free(dom) software | Apr 07 14:57 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: IBM is one of the few companies that might be able to get software patents destroyed. | Apr 07 14:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&q=%22Roger+Bowler%22+microsoft&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Apr 07 14:58 |
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| oiaohm | Someone has to abuse them plubically to pull that off. | Apr 07 14:58 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: no | Apr 07 14:58 |
| schestowitz | They don't want to | Apr 07 14:58 |
| schestowitz | IBM loves software patents | Apr 07 14:58 |
| schestowitz | And it helps expand them to Europe | Apr 07 14:58 |
| schestowitz | Why would IBM do that? | Apr 07 14:58 |
| schestowitz | If it wants to defend FS, the it would help keep them out of Europe and clean up at home (US) | Apr 07 14:59 |
| oiaohm | You are not getting the only way to destroy them. | Apr 07 14:59 |
| harrytuttle | which is? | Apr 07 14:59 |
| schestowitz | http://pagesperso-orange.fr/rbowler/wintips.htm | Apr 07 14:59 |
| oiaohm | Someone has to love them and abuse them to a point that no regulator anywhere will tollerate them. | Apr 07 14:59 |
| oiaohm | Now MS is the one that truly loves them. They don't want to risk publically making a mess with them. | Apr 07 15:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just booted Linux Minte off a micro SD card on EEE to fsck Ubuntu on 32GB USB stick. Reminded how nice Mint looks.If very green. | Apr 07 15:00 | |
| oiaohm | Instead operate by stealth. | Apr 07 15:00 |
| oiaohm | You cannot say IBM use of patents are very stealth. | Apr 07 15:01 |
| Eruaran | IBM views their patent portfolio as a very powerful offensive weapon against Microsoft. Don't underestimate their grim determination not to allow the corporation their view as a mortal enemy to enter 'their' market space. IBM will believe themselves to be acting not only in their interests but in everyone's. | Apr 07 15:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.turbohercules.com/news/permalink/a-statement-from-roger-bowler-about-hercules-and-ibm/ | Apr 07 15:01 |
| harrytuttle | popey: Netrunner is actually based on Linux Mint :-) | Apr 07 15:01 |
| schestowitz | "IBM also accuses TurboHercules of cooperating with Microsoft. Bearing in mind that Hercules works very well indeed on both Linux and Windows, not to mention the Macintosh, we are indeed quite happy to cooperate with Microsoft, Hewlett-Packard, Unisys, Dell, Intel, AMD or anyone else who wants to work with us." | Apr 07 15:01 |
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| harrytuttle | netrunner-os.com | Apr 07 15:01 |
| harrytuttle | and its mono-free | Apr 07 15:01 |
| schestowitz | I can't find any link between Roger Bowler and Microsoft | Apr 07 15:02 |
| schestowitz | Either way, they did join Microsoft's action | Apr 07 15:02 |
| schestowitz | Only later we saw either what it led to it or what happened afterwards | Apr 07 15:03 |
| schestowitz | What's the letter dated? | Apr 07 15:03 |
| schestowitz | What's the antitrust complaint dated? | Apr 07 15:03 |
| schestowitz | That's what will give the answer, assuming IBM didn't warn Turbo before sending the actual letter, in which case it gets complicated | Apr 07 15:03 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.pwnage.ca/?q=node/37 | Apr 07 15:04 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/26/ibm_turbohercules_response/ | Apr 07 15:05 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: IBM: Mainframe emulator part of a conspiracy • The Register .::. Size~: 39.49 KB | Apr 07 15:05 |
| schestowitz | "Roger Bowler, the Brit who created the emulator was smart enough to headquarter his company in Paris, France, where the European Union's antitrust authorities could be brought to bear and antitrust was arguably taken more seriously than in the United States; particularly when it comes to large IT giants such as IBM and Microsoft. So when TurboHercules filed a complaint earlier this week with the European Commission's competition | Apr 07 15:05 |
| schestowitz | directorate general in Brussels, alleging that Big Blue is illegally tying the licensing of its mainframe software to its mainframe hardware, the only surprise was what took so long." | Apr 07 15:05 |
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| Eruaran | hmm... | Apr 07 15:06 |
| Ender2070 | im waiting for some more info before I decide for myself on the IBM vs TurboHercules lawsuit | Apr 07 15:06 |
| schestowitz | The Reg's Tim is an IBM fan | Apr 07 15:06 |
| schestowitz | Longtime, since IT Jungle | Apr 07 15:06 |
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| schestowitz | So I'm careful taking his word | Apr 07 15:06 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] @diablod3 yes :-), i ended up writing a blog post with 2 lines, bleh some one marked it as spam :| | Apr 07 15:08 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] @sagarun LOL, screw them | Apr 07 15:08 | |
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| Ender2070 | schestowitz - offtopic, but Fedora has been seperating non-free linux firmware into seperate packages | Apr 07 15:08 |
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| Ender2070 | schestowitz - its not 100% right now, but once its complete a spin can be made by a volunteer which excludes the "linux-firmware" package | Apr 07 15:09 |
| Ender2070 | could make a GNU supported spin | Apr 07 15:09 |
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| schestowitz | gedora | Apr 07 15:11 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] European Commission trying to promote High Quality software patents with the PATQUAL study: http://is.gd/biCz7 | Apr 07 15:13 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: EU. Survey on the quality of the European patent system :: IPR-Helpdesk .::. Size~: 18.64 KB | Apr 07 15:13 |
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| Ender2070 | i was thinking GNU/Fedora lol | Apr 07 15:15 |
| Ender2070 | i found this out when i was talking to them about making a linux-libre spin | Apr 07 15:15 |
| Eruaran | "The misuse of power is the very essence of tyranny" | Apr 07 15:18 |
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| amarsh04 | Victorian police commissioners and ex-commissioners aren't doing too well | Apr 07 15:19 |
| amarsh04 | current commissioner had taken ammunition on a flight and previous commissioner had gone out for a meal on the evening of that state's worst bush-fires | Apr 07 15:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ausgamers.com/files/details/html/51727 | Apr 07 15:24 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @zoobab #swpat not explicitly mentioned | Apr 07 15:26 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/05/tamils-sri-lanka-freed-tigers | Apr 07 15:39 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.uruknet.info/?p=64787 | Apr 07 15:40 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.democracyfornewhampshire.com/node/view/7360 | Apr 07 15:42 |
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| Ender2070 | wasn't that april fools? | Apr 07 15:45 |
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| Ender2070 | oh thats the real one | Apr 07 15:45 |
| Ender2070 | thats the secret AT&T spy room I was talking about | Apr 07 15:46 |
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| Ender2070 | I hope the whole program gets shut down now | Apr 07 15:47 |
| Ender2070 | in effect they are monitoring anything connecting to a us server | Apr 07 15:48 |
| Ender2070 | non americans too, like some of us | Apr 07 15:48 |
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| schestowitz | UK also | Apr 07 15:54 |
| schestowitz | In some ways | Apr 07 15:54 |
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| Ender2070 | yeah | Apr 07 15:56 |
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| schestowitz | "Apparently a few folks are attempting to file a lawsuit against Sony. Currently, there is no actual suit as it has been all talk up to this point." http://gamer.blorge.com/2010/04/04/legal-take-lawsuit-against-ps3-v3-21-does-not-hold-water-in-court/ | Apr 07 16:09 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Test 1,2,3. Checking out if Microsoft A$troturfer Scarecrow Hans van Raaij (Clogwog and 200 nyms) has disabled my Twitter account yet... | Apr 07 16:10 | |
| Ender2070 | the funny thing is the firmware removes the ability to play games too | Apr 07 16:10 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Those crazy Dutch, this is unusual architecture. http://is.gd/biGPa | Apr 07 16:15 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Inntel Zaandam/The Blue House, WAM architecten, world architecture news, architecture jobs .::. Size~: 23.86 KB | Apr 07 16:15 |
| Ender2070 | i just tore someone apart on pokemon battle revolution | Apr 07 16:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Obviously not. Who'd da thunk it :-p | Apr 07 16:30 | |
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| Ender2070 | jesus that battle was tight | Apr 07 16:39 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Apr 07 16:39 |
| Ender2070 | i had like 5 hp left on my legendary | Apr 07 16:39 |
| Ender2070 | ripped apart his whole team | Apr 07 16:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Hum ho, sommige berichten komen gewoon niet door, schreef net een antwoord op @shwartz_p. Maar is schijnbaar in /dev/null verdwenen :-/ | Apr 07 16:44 | |
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| TheMadHatter | Good Morning. At least it is here. Good Afternoon Roy. | Apr 07 17:00 |
| Ender2070 | goodmorning mad hatter | Apr 07 17:02 |
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| TheMadHatter | Has Goblin been here today? | Apr 07 17:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] @_Goblin In the IRC at BN if you have time right now. | Apr 07 17:18 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/382350/47cb2085536a2ba3/ | Apr 07 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | That explains it | Apr 07 17:22 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Apr 07 17:22 |
| schestowitz | TheMadHatter: he was here earlier | Apr 07 17:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #TurboHercules case explained very well at LWN: https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/382350/47cb2085536a2ba3/ | Apr 07 17:23 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] #inspiring story: "if she can do it i can do" #geekfeminism #gsoc #opensource http://geekfeminism.org/2010/04/01/if-she-can-do-it-i-can-too/ | Apr 07 17:28 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.overclockersclub.com/news/26394/ | Apr 07 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | I suppose you've heard of http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Nokia-Tablet-Intel-Linux-Moblin,news-6386.html | Apr 07 17:33 |
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| Ender2070 | nokia had a tablet out years ago | Apr 07 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Mac [sic] Asay defends iPad. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10472637-16.html | Apr 07 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | Boy, did Shuttleworth drop the ball by hiring this guy | Apr 07 17:38 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @schestowitz: #TurboHercules case explained very well at LWN: https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/382350/47cb2085536a2ba3/ | Apr 07 17:43 | |
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| schestowitz | MAFIAA at the Guardian: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/7558683/We-need-a-Bill-to-torpedo-the-internet-pirates.html | Apr 07 17:55 |
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| Omar87 | Howdy everyone. | Apr 07 18:22 |
| TheMadHatter | Sorry, got sidetracked - dog wanted out... | Apr 07 18:26 |
| TheMadHatter | BTW, new article up on copyright, working on second half now. | Apr 07 18:27 |
| Ender2070 | i've seen it | Apr 07 18:28 |
| Ender2070 | good stuff | Apr 07 18:28 |
| schestowitz | Which article? | Apr 07 18:31 |
| schestowitz | TheMadHatter: thanks for the mention the other day BTW | Apr 07 18:31 |
| TheMadHatter | James Gannon Presentation - Copyright Viewed By A Lawyer - Correct Legally But Wrong - Part 1 | Apr 07 18:32 |
| TheMadHatter | http://madhatter.ca/2010/04/06/james-gannon-presentation-copyright-viewed-by-a-lawyer-correct-legally-but-wrong-part-1/ | Apr 07 18:32 |
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| TheMadHatter | I'm at 800 words on part 2 right now, and I think it's going to hit 2000 before I'm done. I suspect that my popularity in Ottawa is going to reach an all time low. | Apr 07 18:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Google just can't help sharing data http://tinyurl.com/yfdhas3 | Apr 07 18:35 | |
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| MinceR | http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff182/darleenclick/blog%20images/liberty.jpg | Apr 07 18:45 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Joggling with my O2 Joggler :D | Apr 07 18:52 | |
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| TheMadHatter | Actually I'm going to cut this sucker at a thousand words, and make it into three sections. It's more fun that way. | Apr 07 18:54 |
| TheMadHatter | Besides, I love messing with lawyers minds... | Apr 07 18:54 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Apr 07 18:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Need more time to play with this O2 Joggler, tonight is curry night though, so another day :) | Apr 07 18:58 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.salon.com/life/broadsheet/2010/04/07/sex_ed_prosecutor_wisconsin/ | Apr 07 19:03 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Prosecutor: Teach sex ed, go to jail - Broadsheet - Salon.com .::. Size~: 54.5 KB | Apr 07 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | "letters warning five different school districts that following a new law requiring schools with sex ed programs to teach students about STDs and pregnancy prevention could lead to criminal charges for contributing to the delinquency of minors." | Apr 07 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 07 19:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, which means he just lost his job | Apr 07 19:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | you can't compel somebody to break the law | Apr 07 19:07 |
| TheMadHatter | Idiots. | Apr 07 19:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] James Gannon Presentation - Copyright Viewed By A Lawyer - Correct Legally But Wrong - Part 2 http://bit.ly/bxChix | Apr 07 19:18 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Obama simply authorizes the assassination of any human-being, especially Muslims, even if they were not guilty. http://tinyurl.com/ygewetd | Apr 07 19:19 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGf4i_kxqRU Nice video showing off iPhone support in Ubuntu 10.04 | Apr 07 19:19 | |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz, ping. | Apr 07 19:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Just started to read #Daemon by Daniel Suarez. | Apr 07 19:23 | |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, we're currently planning on bringing Jan Wildeboer down to Jordan. | Apr 07 19:24 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] +100 RT @ManishSinha Finally a step in forward direction: Live-in and pre-martial sex isn't public matter http://post.ly/YXeT | Apr 07 19:43 | |
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| MinceR | pre-martial? :> | Apr 07 19:43 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Gwenview is indisputably the best. That's what I believe at least. @WebUpd8 | Apr 07 19:44 | |
| satipera | lol it can up martial after a few years | Apr 07 19:45 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 07 19:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] “Gates has created a huge blood-buying operation that only cares about money, not about people.” ~ CAOM 2009 (New York Times) | Apr 07 19:48 | |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Thanks for the dangerous article around Philanthro-Capitalism. | Apr 07 19:49 |
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| DaemonFC | post-marital sex is the good stuff | Apr 07 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | after all that ime being pinned up with that one person you know | Apr 07 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | that's my theory | Apr 07 19:57 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: I take great offense to that "pre-marital sex" term anyway | Apr 07 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | it implies that you're going to get married later | Apr 07 19:58 |
| MinceR | i still think that marriage is harmful and otherwise irrelevant | Apr 07 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | or that you MUST | Apr 07 19:58 |
| Omar87 | MinceR: So basically, the spread of HIV/AIDS and womb diseases among teenage girls isn't harmful? | Apr 07 20:07 |
| MinceR | what does that have to do with marriage? | Apr 07 20:08 |
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| Omar87 | MinceR, marriage is there to organize, refine and better conduct the sexual instinct of the human kind. | Apr 07 20:09 |
| MinceR | yet it doesn't accomplish any of that | Apr 07 20:09 |
| MinceR | it merely makes it more difficult for a couple who have grown to dislike each other harder and more expensive to part. | Apr 07 20:10 |
| MinceR | also, making sure that one's sexual partners are not infected has nothing to do with marriage | Apr 07 20:10 |
| Omar87 | MinceR, it's because it's: a)Misinterpreted. and b)Disobeyed. | Apr 07 20:10 |
| Ender2070 | a harder task when everyone is demoralized to the point where promiscuity is not considered a bad thing | Apr 07 20:11 |
| MinceR | oh really? | Apr 07 20:11 |
| MinceR | how is it misinterpreted? | Apr 07 20:11 |
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| Omar87 | MinceR, when you have sex a hundred times with your girlfriend and THEN say: "Okay! Let's get married!!", then that's not marriage. That's idiocy, imho. | Apr 07 20:12 |
| MinceR | marriage is idiocy | Apr 07 20:12 |
| Ender2070 | you know what was really bad? | Apr 07 20:13 |
| Ender2070 | in medieval times | Apr 07 20:13 |
| Ender2070 | when you got married, the king had the option to bone your wife first | Apr 07 20:13 |
| Omar87 | MinceR, that's because you look at it from an "Idiot's" perspective. No offense. | Apr 07 20:13 |
| MinceR | Ender2070: indeed | Apr 07 20:13 |
| Ender2070 | i think thats why the church made it a rule to not have sex until after marriage | Apr 07 20:13 |
| Ender2070 | so the king could bone a virgin | Apr 07 20:13 |
| MinceR | Omar87: no, that's because i don't look at it from the religious zealot's perspective. no offense. :> | Apr 07 20:13 |
| Omar87 | Ender2070, that's tyranny. That's not marriange. | Apr 07 20:13 |
| Omar87 | MinceR, See? That's what I'm talking. | Apr 07 20:14 |
| Ender2070 | marriage was invented by religion, which had close ties with the governments at the time | Apr 07 20:14 |
| MinceR | i don't care about how to organize the lives of people who can't be bothered to think for themselves | Apr 07 20:14 |
| Ender2070 | they often put the king in power | Apr 07 20:14 |
| MinceR | but i do take offense at people who can't be bothered to think for themselves trying to organize my life | Apr 07 20:14 |
| MinceR | religion still has close ties with governments | Apr 07 20:14 |
| Omar87 | MinceR, an idiot, in opinion, is someone who judges things based on how they look like, instead of studying the insides of an issue systematically and rationally. And now you're doing just that. | Apr 07 20:15 |
| MinceR | Omar87: no, it is you who are doing just that | Apr 07 20:15 |
| MinceR | Omar87: or you have no idea what marriage is. | Apr 07 20:16 |
| Omar87 | MinceR, no you. | Apr 07 20:16 |
| Ender2070 | omar87 - mincer is very intelligent and he knows his stuff | Apr 07 20:16 |
| Omar87 | Ender2070, I fail to see what kind of an intelligence is this. That's intelligent idiocy, no offense. | Apr 07 20:17 |
| MinceR | that's an oxymoron. | Apr 07 20:17 |
| Ender2070 | im simply saying hes done enough research to have his own opinion on the matter and it seems like you're just saying hes wrong | Apr 07 20:18 |
| Omar87 | Ender2070, I don't think he's done anything. | Apr 07 20:18 |
| Ender2070 | thats your opinion | Apr 07 20:19 |
| MinceR | btw, if you add "no pre-marital sex" to the idea of marriage, you get something stupider, not smarter. | Apr 07 20:19 |
| Ender2070 | i doubt you're going to change his mind | Apr 07 20:19 |
| Omar87 | Ender2070, people now have no value for the sexual relationship between male and female whatsoever. There are people who make love to dogs and pigs now. | Apr 07 20:20 |
| Ender2070 | sex is an important part of a relationship and if you put it off you may end up in an unhappy marriage, hiring hookers | Apr 07 20:20 |
| Omar87 | Ender2070, I'm not saying we should stop having sex. That's stupid. | Apr 07 20:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you add "no pre-marital sex" to the idea of marriage, you end up with a high divorce rate | Apr 07 20:20 |
| Ender2070 | omar87 - the problem is that sex is used everywhere to market stuff, its used flagrantly in shows and its promoted through predictive programming type of tv shows | Apr 07 20:21 |
| MinceR | and if you add "no divorces" on top of that, all hell breaks loose | Apr 07 20:21 |
| Omar87 | I'm just saying, that sex is a very sensitive part of our humanity, and we have to organize it and refine it. | Apr 07 20:21 |
| MinceR | Omar87: no we don't | Apr 07 20:22 |
| MinceR | at least not along arbitrary inhibitions. | Apr 07 20:22 |
| Omar87 | Ender2070, that's exactly where [Real] marriage come in. | Apr 07 20:22 |
| MinceR | and not along vague, pointless religious ideas. | Apr 07 20:22 |
| Ender2070 | omar87 - the bachelor is a good example of promotion of bad behavior, a show about a guy who has to date a bunch of women at once and he has to pick one | Apr 07 20:22 |
| Omar87 | MinceR, they are only vague because you've never tried to understand them. | Apr 07 20:23 |
| MinceR | Omar87: they're vague, but you never tried to understand them. | Apr 07 20:23 |
| Ender2070 | you can be moral without religion and marriage | Apr 07 20:23 |
| Ender2070 | religion and marriage are just forced morals | Apr 07 20:23 |
| *MinceR would love to see Omar87 attempt to argue that you can't be moral without religion | Apr 07 20:23 | |
| MinceR | it would be the show of the day | Apr 07 20:23 |
| MinceR | i doubt morals can be forced | Apr 07 20:24 |
| Ender2070 | religion does it | Apr 07 20:24 |
| MinceR | no, it attempts to do so and claims to succeed | Apr 07 20:24 |
| Ender2070 | if you dont do it, you go to hell | Apr 07 20:24 |
| MinceR | someone who does the supposed Right Thing because he fears punishment in the afterlife, he isn't an altruist, he's selfish | Apr 07 20:25 |
| Omar87 | MinceR, maybe you can. But you'll be lost. | Apr 07 20:25 |
| MinceR | (he's also misled, but that's another issue) | Apr 07 20:25 |
| Ender2070 | religion was needed when people were selfish | Apr 07 20:25 |
| MinceR | people still are selfish | Apr 07 20:25 |
| Ender2070 | yeah but now theres people who aren't | Apr 07 20:26 |
| MinceR | but religion doesn't solve the issue, it merely lets some people control the masses | Apr 07 20:26 |
| Omar87 | MinceR, because being moral requires a set of rules to apply. | Apr 07 20:26 |
| MinceR | Omar87: no it doesn't | Apr 07 20:26 |
| Omar87 | MinceR, yes it does. | Apr 07 20:26 |
| Ender2070 | religion is just a basic form of mind control, as well as a basic form of government | Apr 07 20:26 |
| MinceR | Omar87: doing the right thing isn't about predetermining every decision and putting them in a Big Book | Apr 07 20:26 |
| Omar87 | MinceR, ever tried to read the Quran? | Apr 07 20:26 |
| MinceR | Omar87: doing the right thing involves _thinking_, making judgements | Apr 07 20:26 |
| MinceR | Omar87: nope | Apr 07 20:26 |
| MinceR | Omar87: got bored of other supposedly holy books before that | Apr 07 20:26 |
| Omar87 | MinceR, then stop yapping like an ignorant. | Apr 07 20:26 |
| MinceR | Omar87: take your own advice | Apr 07 20:27 |
| Omar87 | MinceR, read it first, and then come talk to me. | Apr 07 20:27 |
| Ender2070 | its a man made book | Apr 07 20:27 |
| Omar87 | Ender2070, can you prove it? | Apr 07 20:27 |
| Ender2070 | yes | Apr 07 20:27 |
| MinceR | Omar87: talking off the high horse doesn't prove you right, it only proves you a religious zealot and an idiot | Apr 07 20:27 |
| Ender2070 | can you prove it wasn't written by a human? | Apr 07 20:27 |
| Omar87 | Ender2070, then go ahead. | Apr 07 20:27 |
| Omar87 | Ender2070, yes. | Apr 07 20:27 |
| Ender2070 | ROFL | Apr 07 20:27 |
| Ender2070 | ok | Apr 07 20:27 |
| MinceR | then do so | Apr 07 20:27 |
| Ender2070 | and tomorrow, ill have a man made page that says your man made book is wrong | Apr 07 20:28 |
| Ender2070 | whos man made stuff is the right stuff? | Apr 07 20:28 |
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| MinceR | Omar87: can you prove the quran wasn't written by humans (regardless of how many they are)? | Apr 07 20:29 |
| Omar87 | Ender2070, The holy Quran appeared a 1400 years ago, and it talks about a number of complicated scientific theories, non of which with discovered any time before the 20'th century. | Apr 07 20:29 |
| Ender2070 | he would have to prove the existence of the supernatural | Apr 07 20:29 |
| Omar87 | Ender2070, Can you prove to me that there's a brain inside your skull? | Apr 07 20:30 |
| schestowitz | supernatural is like "small elephant" | Apr 07 20:30 |
| schestowitz | It's false by definition | Apr 07 20:30 |
| Ender2070 | Omar87 - sure, pay for an MRI scan on my head | Apr 07 20:30 |
| Omar87 | Ender2070, do I have to? | Apr 07 20:30 |
| Ender2070 | you want proof right | Apr 07 20:30 |
| schestowitz | If it's observed any nature, then it's part of nature | Apr 07 20:30 |
| Omar87 | Ender2070, can't I prove it just by talking to you right now? | Apr 07 20:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | [03:17:49] <schestowitz> supernatural is like "small elephant" | Apr 07 20:30 |
| Ender2070 | i could be a bot | Apr 07 20:31 |
| schestowitz | We have not a single example of the laws of nature being broken | Apr 07 20:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | actually, there was a species of midget elephants. | Apr 07 20:31 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Apr 07 20:31 |
| Ender2070 | [15:17] <Omar87> Ender2070, The holy Quran appeared a 1400 years ago, and it talks about a number of complicated scientific theories, non of which with discovered any time before the 20'th century. | Apr 07 20:31 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I don't have to crack your skull open of even pay for an MRI to prove that there's a brain in there. | Apr 07 20:31 |
| Ender2070 | actually I was watching a show yesterday on history which showed several chinese inventions which predate ours, but were lost | Apr 07 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Brain is just a lot of tissue | Apr 07 20:31 |
| schestowitz | How it's organised matters | Apr 07 20:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | there were many inventions that were invented, then lost | Apr 07 20:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | this is not uncommon | Apr 07 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: yes, print too | Apr 07 20:32 |
| Ender2070 | yes print | Apr 07 20:32 |
| schestowitz | The Western version of history is very arrogant | Apr 07 20:32 |
| Ender2070 | even a crossbow | Apr 07 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Like most history lessons that define things how they like it | Apr 07 20:32 |
| cubezzz | Amiga comes to mind :) | Apr 07 20:32 |
| cubezzz | it's almost lost only 16 years later | Apr 07 20:32 |
| schestowitz | The Greek understood evolution or something close to it like 2k years ago | Apr 07 20:32 |
| satipera | whats wrong with supernatural? | Apr 07 20:32 |
| schestowitz | They have a simpler model that deal with hierarchy but not diversity | Apr 07 20:33 |
| Ender2070 | losing technology doesn't prove the existence of a diety | Apr 07 20:33 |
| schestowitz | They also theorised atoms | Apr 07 20:33 |
| cubezzz | we lose stuff all the time | Apr 07 20:33 |
| schestowitz | They also estimated the world was round | Apr 07 20:33 |
| Omar87 | Ender2070, plus, Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) was illiterate. He couldn't read his own name. And he wasn't even a poet. So how could he possibly come up all these scientifically accurate verses? | Apr 07 20:33 |
| cubezzz | shoes made in North America even | Apr 07 20:33 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: lots of stuff got lost by religious disruption | Apr 07 20:33 |
| Ender2070 | Omar87 - according to humans | Apr 07 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Many inventions came from Iraq | Apr 07 20:33 |
| MinceR | Omar87: who said only mohammed could have written that book? | Apr 07 20:33 |
| MinceR | ever heard of writing books under a false name? | Apr 07 20:33 |
| Ender2070 | Omar87 - likely he lied about being illiterate, or someone else did | Apr 07 20:33 |
| schestowitz | The US forces ruined some important stuff in air strikes, too | Apr 07 20:33 |
| MinceR | or adding to a book when copying it? | Apr 07 20:34 |
| Ender2070 | corrupted retranslations | Apr 07 20:34 |
| cubezzz | knowledge is a bit like an onion | Apr 07 20:34 |
| MinceR | also, how sound is the proof that he was illiterate? | Apr 07 20:34 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: shakespeare | Apr 07 20:34 |
| cubezzz | usually we only experience the outermost layer | Apr 07 20:34 |
| MinceR | (if there's any to begin with) | Apr 07 20:34 |
| Omar87 | MinceR, non of the Arabs back then could've written any similar book. So, just go to sleep. | Apr 07 20:34 |
| MinceR | LOL | Apr 07 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Bell Witch? | Apr 07 20:34 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I don't even have to examine the nature of your brain in order to prove it's there. | Apr 07 20:34 |
| MinceR | i don't need to comment on that | Apr 07 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: brain can't be analysed | Apr 07 20:35 |
| Omar87 | MinceR, plus. I think you should learn how to respect other people. | Apr 07 20:35 |
| schestowitz | We don't have the tools | Apr 07 20:35 |
| Ender2070 | Omar87 - thats because theres evidence already from people who have opened up heads | Apr 07 20:35 |
| MinceR | Omar87: i think you should learn that. | Apr 07 20:35 |
| schestowitz | We can do basic stuff to test reactions | Apr 07 20:35 |
| Omar87 | MinceR, see? By calling me a "Zealot" you just proved how immoral you are. | Apr 07 20:35 |
| MinceR | Omar87: read your own buffer/log and see how respectful you were. | Apr 07 20:35 |
| schestowitz | We can't even r/w the brain | Apr 07 20:35 |
| MinceR | Omar87: see what you called me before that. | Apr 07 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Just brainwash through natural means like vision and electric shocka | Apr 07 20:36 |
| cubezzz | uh, we read/write the brain all the time :) | Apr 07 20:36 |
| schestowitz | *cks | Apr 07 20:36 |
| Omar87 | MinceR, you started. | Apr 07 20:36 |
| cubezzz | I hope we do anyway | Apr 07 20:36 |
| Ender2070 | sony has written to the brain | Apr 07 20:36 |
| MinceR | Omar87: once again, read your buffer/log and get a clue already. | Apr 07 20:36 |
| Ender2070 | i read an article on it | Apr 07 20:36 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: we can't copy a brain | Apr 07 20:36 |
| schestowitz | It would be nice if we could | Apr 07 20:36 |
| Omar87 | MinceR, you read your own buffer as well! | Apr 07 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Hearts can be transplanted | Apr 07 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Not brains | Apr 07 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Too many nerves | Apr 07 20:36 |
| Ender2070 | sony took apart a brain and were able to use parts of it to store data | Apr 07 20:36 |
| cubezzz | if you mean "can we stick a human brain in a computer" <--- no we can't do that | Apr 07 20:36 |
| MinceR | Omar87: unlike you, i'm aware of what happened | Apr 07 20:36 |
| Omar87 | MinceR, part of my Islamic morality, I will apologize for what I called you. | Apr 07 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: fly's brain too | Apr 07 20:37 |
| schestowitz | To make robotics | Apr 07 20:37 |
| Ender2070 | oh yeah I read about that | Apr 07 20:37 |
| Omar87 | MinceR, will your Atheistic morality allow you to drop the "Zealot" word? | Apr 07 20:37 |
| Ender2070 | long time ago | Apr 07 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: very primitive though | Apr 07 20:37 |
| cubezzz | we are zealots though :) | Apr 07 20:37 |
| cubezzz | the good kind | Apr 07 20:37 |
| Omar87 | MinceR, I don't think so. | Apr 07 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Better off even with junk like mono programmers | Apr 07 20:37 |
| MinceR | Omar87: once i'm convinced that you aren't a zealot i'll drop it. | Apr 07 20:37 |
| Ender2070 | yeah but thats what we get to see | Apr 07 20:37 |
| Omar87 | MinceR, see? You're immoral, as expected. | Apr 07 20:38 |
| MinceR | Omar87: (your ignorance of what "morality" is notwithstanding) | Apr 07 20:38 |
| schestowitz | brb | Apr 07 20:38 |
| Ender2070 | by the time they showed that fly thing they already had a patent for a working one | Apr 07 20:38 |
| Omar87 | MinceR, You are immoral and totally respectless. | Apr 07 20:38 |
| cubezzz | can't we just bitch about Microsoft? | Apr 07 20:38 |
| MinceR | Omar87: my morality includes being faithful to the truth, telling things the way they are. | Apr 07 20:38 |
| satipera | morality is not always good | Apr 07 20:39 |
| cubezzz | like the olden days | Apr 07 20:39 |
| Omar87 | MinceR, the only thing that fits you best is something called "Ignore" | Apr 07 20:39 |
| satipera | immorality is different from bad | Apr 07 20:39 |
| MinceR | Omar87: "part" and "disconnect" fit me better. | Apr 07 20:39 |
| Ender2070 | omar87 - you are being a zealot though, to be perfectly honest | Apr 07 20:39 |
| MinceR | Omar87: and "quit" | Apr 07 20:39 |
| Omar87 | Ender2070, You both a immorals. You just proved it. :) | Apr 07 20:39 |
| satipera | religion and politics eh? | Apr 07 20:39 |
| Ender2070 | yup, im immoral cause you're a zealot | Apr 07 20:40 |
| MinceR | satipera: more like a religious person confusing 'religion' with 'morality' | Apr 07 20:40 |
| satipera | religion does have moral values | Apr 07 20:40 |
| Ender2070 | moral values can come without religion though | Apr 07 20:41 |
| satipera | but as I said morality is not always a force for good | Apr 07 20:41 |
| MinceR | sure, sometimes the stories refer to moral values or try to evaluate them | Apr 07 20:41 |
| Ender2070 | you just have to be a good parent | Apr 07 20:41 |
| MinceR | they often fail | Apr 07 20:41 |
| Ender2070 | and actually teach your kids stuff | Apr 07 20:41 |
| satipera | you can be immoral and a better person than someone who thinks of themselves as a good person and thoroughly moral | Apr 07 20:42 |
| satipera | It is the values in the morality | Apr 07 20:42 |
| MinceR | sure, an immoral person can believe himself to be moral | Apr 07 20:42 |
| satipera | no | Apr 07 20:42 |
| Ender2070 | they can though | Apr 07 20:43 |
| Ender2070 | psychopaths do it all the time | Apr 07 20:43 |
| MinceR | especially if they're indoctrinated (usually via religion) to believe it | Apr 07 20:43 |
| satipera | they can believe themselves to be good | Apr 07 20:43 |
| satipera | by definition not moral | Apr 07 20:43 |
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| satipera | This is what I say it is all in the values | Apr 07 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Guy, pls be polite | Apr 07 20:44 |
| schestowitz | *Guys | Apr 07 20:44 |
| MinceR | Roy, you're late :> | Apr 07 20:44 |
| satipera | Someone who carries out a killing could consider themselves moral | Apr 07 20:44 |
| satipera | more so than someone who did not | Apr 07 20:45 |
| MinceR | it's possible to kill morally | Apr 07 20:45 |
| satipera | yes | Apr 07 20:45 |
| satipera | but many do not | Apr 07 20:45 |
| Ender2070 | be careful | Apr 07 20:46 |
| satipera | again moral does not mean good | Apr 07 20:46 |
| Ender2070 | psychopaths can kill mass amounts of people and consider themselves moral | Apr 07 20:46 |
| satipera | yes | Apr 07 20:46 |
| Ender2070 | stalin, hitler | Apr 07 20:46 |
| MinceR | that's been discussed already :> | Apr 07 20:46 |
| satipera | someone who has no morals is a very rare beast | Apr 07 20:47 |
| satipera | we seem to have evolved with a self justification coping mechanism | Apr 07 20:48 |
| cubezzz | it's hard to believe Hitler thought himself as "good" | Apr 07 20:48 |
| MinceR | iirc there are evolutionary advantages to altruism | Apr 07 20:48 |
| satipera | yes | Apr 07 20:48 |
| Ender2070 | his extermination was moral in his eyes | Apr 07 20:48 |
| satipera | one of a range of strategies | Apr 07 20:48 |
| satipera | exactly moral is not always good | Apr 07 20:49 |
| Ender2070 | thats why he did it | Apr 07 20:49 |
| MinceR | i don't understand that, satipera | Apr 07 20:49 |
| satipera | One persons morality can be another person's psychopathic behaviour | Apr 07 20:50 |
| satipera | this is what we have agreed | Apr 07 20:51 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure about the absolute vs. relative morality issue | Apr 07 20:51 |
| satipera | Eugene Terrablanche no doubt thought himself a moral and god fearing person | Apr 07 20:51 |
| satipera | there are no absolutes | Apr 07 20:52 |
| MinceR | i don't know who that is | Apr 07 20:52 |
| satipera | all life is relative | Apr 07 20:52 |
| satipera | He was a S.African white supremacist who was killed recently | Apr 07 20:53 |
| satipera | He wanted a whites only homeland | Apr 07 20:53 |
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| satipera | The rest of the world disagreed | Apr 07 20:53 |
| MinceR | doesn't sound like a moral person to me | Apr 07 20:54 |
| Ender2070 | moral to himself | Apr 07 20:54 |
| satipera | I believe very few of us have core values when it comes to it | Apr 07 20:54 |
| Ender2070 | so much pride that it became racist | Apr 07 20:54 |
| satipera | At best we move around some fixed points as it suits us | Apr 07 20:55 |
| satipera | Yes racism was a big part of his make up | Apr 07 20:55 |
| satipera | Few people have fixed core values that can stand up to scrutiny, often viewed as extremists | Apr 07 20:56 |
| satipera | ha ha if there is one thing humans are good at it is adapting to new situations, then treating it as normal :) | Apr 07 20:57 |
| Ender2070 | yes we're very adaptable | Apr 07 20:58 |
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| Ender2070 | this is used to the governments advantage most of the time | Apr 07 20:58 |
| satipera | yes | Apr 07 20:58 |
| Ender2070 | its easier to adapt to change during war too, than it is during peace times | Apr 07 20:58 |
| satipera | I am thoroughly disenchanted with our system of government | Apr 07 20:59 |
| Ender2070 | where are you from | Apr 07 20:59 |
| satipera | wiltshire | Apr 07 20:59 |
| satipera | you? | Apr 07 20:59 |
| Ender2070 | canada | Apr 07 20:59 |
| satipera | nice | Apr 07 20:59 |
| Ender2070 | ontario, near Toronto | Apr 07 21:00 |
| satipera | I am out in the country here | Apr 07 21:00 |
| Ender2070 | cool stuff | Apr 07 21:00 |
| Ender2070 | i was in toronto the other day and I forgot my camera | Apr 07 21:00 |
| satipera | I envy you all the things a large city has to offer | Apr 07 21:01 |
| Ender2070 | i was going to take pictures of a couple funny things i saw | Apr 07 21:01 |
| Ender2070 | 1) The Church of Scientology | Apr 07 21:01 |
| Ender2070 | 2) Freemasonic Lodge | Apr 07 21:01 |
| satipera | now there is a funny lot | Apr 07 21:01 |
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| Ender2070 | 3) Lenin statue | Apr 07 21:01 |
| satipera | do you usually always carry a camera? | Apr 07 21:02 |
| Ender2070 | no | Apr 07 21:02 |
| Ender2070 | my backup was dead at the time too | Apr 07 21:02 |
| satipera | phone cam not good enough | Apr 07 21:02 |
| Ender2070 | it was dead | Apr 07 21:02 |
| Ender2070 | ill probably go back again though, it was only one bus | Apr 07 21:02 |
| satipera | It was loosing photo's that made me sort my back up system out | Apr 07 21:03 |
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| satipera | I read a hubbard book when I was a kid | Apr 07 21:03 |
| Ender2070 | heres the thing that astounds me | Apr 07 21:04 |
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| Ender2070 | people are so gullible | Apr 07 21:04 |
| satipera | He gets a lot of flack but it is no worse than lots of other belief systems | Apr 07 21:04 |
| Ender2070 | hubbard was a sci-fi author, and he invents a religion which involves: aliens blowing up volcanoes with atomic weapons | Apr 07 21:04 |
| Ender2070 | why do people not put two and two together | Apr 07 21:04 |
| satipera | religions are invented all the time | Apr 07 21:05 |
| satipera | look at Japan | Apr 07 21:05 |
| Ender2070 | yes but he was a science fiction author | Apr 07 21:05 |
| Ender2070 | his job was to write fake stories | Apr 07 21:05 |
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| satipera | It does not exclude him | Apr 07 21:05 |
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| Ender2070 | and asimov gave told him he could make a lot more money inventing a religion | Apr 07 21:05 |
| Ender2070 | -gave | Apr 07 21:06 |
| satipera | So he did it at asimovs suggestion? | Apr 07 21:06 |
| Ender2070 | yes | Apr 07 21:06 |
| satipera | :) live and learn | Apr 07 21:06 |
| satipera | It is getting in a lot of trouble in France | Apr 07 21:06 |
| Ender2070 | theres documentaries and lots of websites out there exposing them as crooks | Apr 07 21:07 |
| Ender2070 | and people are still joining | Apr 07 21:07 |
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| satipera | A BBC reporter raved at a bloke from the cult and got in a lot of trouble it is probably on youtube | Apr 07 21:07 |
| satipera | very funny | Apr 07 21:08 |
| satipera | I thought he was going to attack him | Apr 07 21:08 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Apr 07 21:08 |
| satipera | I can see why he did the cult bloke was lawyer type | Apr 07 21:08 |
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| satipera | I will see if i can find the clip, now | Apr 07 21:09 |
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| Ender2070 | http://is.gd/tJR0 | Apr 07 21:12 |
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| satipera | Ender2070 here is the angry BBC reporter link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIg3Dtu14vs very funny | Apr 07 21:13 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ideas for Making Multi-monitor VirtualDesktop #GNU #Linux http://rmsmit.blogspot.com/2010/03/virtualdesktop-multi-monitor.html | Apr 07 21:13 | |
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| Ender2070 | satipera - remember a few years ago a cracker got the scientology documents and leaked them on slashdot? | Apr 07 21:13 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux in a Window|Windows http://ur1.ca/tyfp good for new users | Apr 07 21:15 | |
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| satipera | I did not see them there, but have seen some documents on the web they would not liked to have been made public | Apr 07 21:16 |
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| Ender2070 | it was just like climategate | Apr 07 21:17 |
| satipera | it seems to be a pay as you study religion, the higher you go the more it costs | Apr 07 21:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Slideshow Proving That #GNU #Linux is Already Everywhere http://ur1.ca/tyg0 http://ur1.ca/tyg1 | Apr 07 21:17 | |
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| satipera | Then some large evangelical churches have had their financial scandals | Apr 07 21:18 |
| Ender2070 | yes exactly | Apr 07 21:18 |
| satipera | When a church gets big enough it is about political power | Apr 07 21:19 |
| satipera | the social networking advantages that these institutions enjoyed are on the wane though. | Apr 07 21:20 |
| satipera | Night all have fun | Apr 07 21:20 |
| scientes | no, they are on the rise | Apr 07 21:20 |
| scientes | but not the evangelical ones | Apr 07 21:21 |
| scientes | the more traditional ones | Apr 07 21:21 |
| scientes | ie the local church | Apr 07 21:21 |
| amarsh04 | I thought that those accelerated/managed ethernet cards running linux in a windows server were an intriguing idea | Apr 07 21:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] What on earth. Catholics bishops *actually blames sexy kids* for priest's rape of children http://is.gd/bj09d | Apr 07 21:25 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Hopefully going home soon.... then a few blog updates are in order. | Apr 07 21:31 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Gentoo Wiki Project http://ben.liveforge.org/2010/04/05/announcing-the-gentoo-wiki-project | Apr 07 21:43 | |
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| schestowitz | tessier: are you around? | Apr 07 21:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandriva #Linux Enterprise Server 5.1 in #Review http://ur1.ca/tu3m http://ur1.ca/tykd | Apr 07 21:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at New Features Found in #Fedora #GNU #Linux 13 http://www.skuggen.com/?p=2203 | Apr 07 21:59 | |
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| Ender2070 | F13! | Apr 07 22:02 |
| Ender2070 | woot | Apr 07 22:02 |
| oiaohm | http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html I guess I read this different to most. VB droped more than C# gained. It looks like MS is losing application development mind share. | Apr 07 22:03 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Thinks Bigger http://www.workswithu.com/2010/04/05/ubuntu-canonical-focuses-on-wall-street/ | Apr 07 22:03 | |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, Ender2070 covered that | Apr 07 22:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Drobo FS Network #Storage System Runs #Linux http://ur1.ca/tyos http://ur1.ca/tyou http://ur1.ca/tyos | Apr 07 22:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux -based #Palm Phone Gets TV Application http://ur1.ca/typ5 | Apr 07 22:09 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia to Bring #GNU #Linux -based Tablets http://ur1.ca/typb http://ur1.ca/typc http://ur1.ca/typd | Apr 07 22:11 | |
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| Ender2070 | i got the ubuntu 10.04 beta | Apr 07 22:17 |
| Ender2070 | im gonna try it out | Apr 07 22:17 |
| Ender2070 | brb | Apr 07 22:17 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android / #Linux Gains More Momentum, Works for Non-Geeks http://ur1.ca/tyr1 http://ur1.ca/tyr3 | Apr 07 22:21 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More TV Sets Running #Linux http://ur1.ca/tyra http://ur1.ca/tyrb http://ur1.ca/tyrc | Apr 07 22:21 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sub-notebooks Running #GNU #Linux Doing Fine http://ur1.ca/tyrm http://ur1.ca/tyrn http://ur1.ca/tyro | Apr 07 22:23 | |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: I remembered another reason why IBM will be touchy about emulators of there platforms. The NT OS/2 subsystem. | Apr 07 22:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Comparison Between #Photoshop and The #GIMP http://www.linux2u.co.cc/2010/04/photoshop-vs-gimp.html | Apr 07 22:25 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c9/Dollar_value_chart.gif | Apr 07 22:25 |
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| DaemonFC | the idea of making a Consumer Protection Bureau a part of the Federal Reserve is like trying to call a lion's stomach a safe zone for gazelle | Apr 07 22:30 |
| satipera | digital economy bill live http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/apr/07/digital-economy-bill-internet | Apr 07 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 07 22:30 |
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| DaemonFC | satipera: What's that all about? | Apr 07 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | ACTA is the mother of all MAFIAA evil | Apr 07 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 07 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | I assume this "Digital Economy Bill" is another "one country at a time" approach? | Apr 07 22:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How the #GPL Was Born, #GCC 4.5 Almost Here http://ur1.ca/tmfo http://ur1.ca/tyu5 http://ur1.ca/tyu6 | Apr 07 22:39 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla Keeps Growing, Looking for Input http://ur1.ca/tyub http://ur1.ca/tyuc | Apr 07 22:40 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Features in #PCBSD 8.1 and a New Review of 8.0 http://ur1.ca/tyug http://ur1.ca/tyuh #bsd | Apr 07 22:42 | |
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| DaemonFC | if the weather is good tomorrow I might get out there and bust the lawn mower out | Apr 07 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | excuse to trim $15 off my rent next week | Apr 07 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 07 23:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Nearly home | Apr 07 23:15 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Hardware Freedom Group is Formed in the UK http://ur1.ca/tz1s | Apr 07 23:23 | |
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| cubezzz | a desktop computer with all the connectors in the front, which is 100% open and documented to the register level | Apr 07 23:24 |
| cubezzz | that's what I want | Apr 07 23:24 |
| cubezzz | and the closest thing I see to that is... Amiga 4000 | Apr 07 23:25 |
| cubezzz | we're almost even on the US dollar now | Apr 07 23:33 |
| scientes_ | on the front? | Apr 07 23:33 |
| scientes_ | why? | Apr 07 23:33 |
| MinceR | probably because he's too lazy to reach to the back ;) | Apr 07 23:34 |
| scientes_ | seriously, how many times are you going to touch the power cord? | Apr 07 23:34 |
| cubezzz | guys :) | Apr 07 23:34 |
| cubezzz | it's just a lot better | Apr 07 23:34 |
| cubezzz | not the power cord... but the headphones, and usb devices | Apr 07 23:35 |
| scientes_ | ethernet? | Apr 07 23:35 |
| scientes_ | DVI? | Apr 07 23:35 |
| MinceR | in the worst case, you could bring them forward with some extender cables | Apr 07 23:36 |
| scientes_ | pretty soon the front will start looking like the back | Apr 07 23:36 |
| scientes_ | or how about you just turn your computer around? | Apr 07 23:36 |
| cubezzz | MinceR, that's true | Apr 07 23:36 |
| scientes_ | and call the back the front | Apr 07 23:36 |
| MinceR | you could even build a break-out-box for them | Apr 07 23:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #NetNeutrality Injured by New Ruling http://ur1.ca/tz3q http://ur1.ca/tz3r http://ur1.ca/tz3u | Apr 07 23:36 | |
| cubezzz | scientes_, that's fine but what about the cdrom? | Apr 07 23:36 |
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| cubezzz | it would be in the back then | Apr 07 23:36 |
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| MinceR | that belongs in a museum ;) | Apr 07 23:36 |
| scientes_ | cubezzz, who uses cd's anymore? | Apr 07 23:36 |
| scientes_ | <MinceR> that belongs in a museum ;) | Apr 07 23:37 |
| scientes_ | yep | Apr 07 23:37 |
| cubezzz | part of my work is burning DVDs | Apr 07 23:37 |
| scientes_ | I mean I have one | Apr 07 23:37 |
| scientes_ | but i never use it | Apr 07 23:37 |
| MinceR | though if you really wanted you could take it out of the standard place and house it elsewhere or something | Apr 07 23:37 |
| scientes_ | flash totally decimated optical media | Apr 07 23:37 |
| cubezzz | I did stop using 3.5" microdisks though :) | Apr 07 23:37 |
| MinceR | or mod the case so that optical drives stick out to the side | Apr 07 23:37 |
| MinceR | and so you can have an edge facing you, with the old backpanel on one side and the drive front on another | Apr 07 23:38 |
| MinceR | (i'm not sure if this is workable, though) | Apr 07 23:38 |
| cubezzz | why did the stop making desktops I wonder | Apr 07 23:38 |
| cubezzz | it's all towers | Apr 07 23:38 |
| MinceR | too little demand | Apr 07 23:38 |
| MinceR | oh, those | Apr 07 23:38 |
| MinceR | i think it's partly due to ergonomics | Apr 07 23:38 |
| MinceR | you were expected to put the monitor on top of them | Apr 07 23:38 |
| MinceR | which is often uncomfortable | Apr 07 23:39 |
| MinceR | otherwise i'm not sure | Apr 07 23:39 |
| cubezzz | more desk space I guess | Apr 07 23:39 |
| MinceR | effects on cooling, more space in a tower | Apr 07 23:39 |
| MinceR | also, towers are often put on the floor | Apr 07 23:39 |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 07 23:40 |
| oiaohm | http://geohotps3.blogspot.com/2010/04/otheros-supported-on-321oo.html | Apr 07 23:48 |
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| oiaohm | Its back. | Apr 07 23:48 |
| schestowitz | tessier: ? | Apr 07 23:49 |
| cubezzz | misuse of the word hacker | Apr 07 23:49 |
| oiaohm | Depends if turning 100000+ users into hackers looking for ways of defeating secuirty of the system is a bad thing. | Apr 07 23:51 |
| oiaohm | Wait I am thinking from my side of the problem not sony's. | Apr 07 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Blankenhorn has enemies... http://twitter.com/angelaperry/status/11783939720 | Apr 07 23:52 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Victory! EuroDNS has removed Anontalk.com's domain, it now points to 127.0.0.1. One less pedophile-oriented site on the net. | Apr 07 23:53 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Off to bed, trying not to think of #debill or the utter tools we have in the Ubuntu community. Hey ho. | Apr 07 23:53 | |
| Aondo | hmm is there a video of that acta meeting 6th april? that .wmv file is kinda useless | Apr 07 23:58 |
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