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| _goblin | hello | Apr 08 00:11 |
| _goblin | mad hatter, you here? | Apr 08 00:11 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @_the_mad_hatter Are you about? | Apr 08 00:15 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Misconceptions in the press and blind faith in Hollywood-friendly #DRM prisons from #Apple http://ur1.ca/tzea #ipad | Apr 08 00:21 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @mparent77772 #Google Gives the US Government Access To #Gmail http://bit.ly/9NFWp7 //you probably should start taking notice now :D | Apr 08 00:32 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America | Apr 08 00:38 |
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| DaemonFC | heh | Apr 08 00:38 |
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| oiaohm | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/04/microsoft-office-15not-2010to-be-fully-ooxml-compliant.ars | Apr 08 00:44 |
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| oiaohm | Really by next version of MS Office will it be important. | Apr 08 00:44 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: mad hatter tried finding you earlier | Apr 08 00:46 |
| _goblin | yeah I saw | Apr 08 00:46 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] @_Goblin am now, just got back in. BN IRC? | Apr 08 00:53 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@eikonos @qu1j0t3 Isn't email insecure bc it's transported plain text? //yes but doesn't imply u shd give up &put urself at #Google's mercy | Apr 08 00:53 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@eikonos they want my email they can bring a warrant. And same goes for *koff* wiretapping at the isp *koff* #nsa #gmail #google | Apr 08 00:54 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Has Almost a Third of #GNOME Foundation Board, Including the Director http://ur1.ca/tzi5 | Apr 08 00:55 | |
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| TheMadHatter | Did you hear the rumour about the 'New Desktop Foundation'? Supposedly a fork of Gnome, god knows whether or not it's read. | Apr 08 00:56 |
| TheMadHatter | er real. | Apr 08 00:56 |
| _goblin | hi! | Apr 08 00:56 |
| _goblin | Can I DM you..? | Apr 08 00:57 |
| TheMadHatter | sure through Google or ICQ | Apr 08 00:58 |
| _goblin | ah..... | Apr 08 00:58 |
| _goblin | you not got the ability to see IRC DM? | Apr 08 00:58 |
| TheMadHatter | hehe. I'm using the web interface rather than an IRC client. | Apr 08 00:59 |
| _goblin | ah.... | Apr 08 00:59 |
| _goblin | have you read the email I sent you? | Apr 08 00:59 |
| cubezzz | aMSN? :) | Apr 08 00:59 |
| TheMadHatter | Um, when? | Apr 08 00:59 |
| cubezzz | GAIM is dead | Apr 08 00:59 |
| _goblin | yesterday | Apr 08 00:59 |
| _goblin | it explains why I wanted to speak with you. | Apr 08 00:59 |
| TheMadHatter | didn't get anything yesterday, what email address did you use | Apr 08 01:00 |
| _goblin | wborean@madhatter.ca | Apr 08 01:00 |
| _goblin | spam folder? | Apr 08 01:00 |
| TheMadHatter | Ah, keep forgetting to check that one - just a second | Apr 08 01:00 |
| TheMadHatter | Got it - but you didn't include the link. | Apr 08 01:01 |
| _goblin | no....I wanted to speak to you first... | Apr 08 01:01 |
| _goblin | want the links via email? | Apr 08 01:01 |
| _goblin | tell me what you think. | Apr 08 01:02 |
| TheMadHatter | Sure, send it. AFK for five, gotta grab dinner | Apr 08 01:02 |
| _goblin | its sent..... | Apr 08 01:04 |
| _goblin | If Im right....its a real scoop......shame I can't break the news. | Apr 08 01:04 |
| TheMadHatter | Could be. But I don't see it as being a big deal. If on the other hand you had proof that the person was running Limewire or Vuze, now that would be different. | Apr 08 01:08 |
| TheMadHatter | But yeah, probably sale person. I blew up the pictures, and looked at the cheek bones, and they are the same. | Apr 08 01:09 |
| _goblin | Really? A person involved in dealing with Adult material...posting skimpy pictures is professional? I think you forget these are solicitors. | Apr 08 01:10 |
| TheMadHatter | An adult on holiday wearing the same clothes that thousands of other adults wear on holiday is nothing. | Apr 08 01:11 |
| _goblin | at the very least it shows ineptitude to comprehend tech and they are trying to take filesharers to court with what they claim is strong evidence. | Apr 08 01:11 |
| TheMadHatter | Showing up for court like that would be unprofessional. | Apr 08 01:11 |
| TheMadHatter | Ineptitude? How? | Apr 08 01:12 |
| _goblin | because they are not understanding how to cover their tracks.....would you do it, if roles were reversed? of course not and you would understand about how browsers work, so your bikini pic would never get seen. | Apr 08 01:12 |
| _goblin | and how the internet works. | Apr 08 01:13 |
| _goblin | Like I say IF that photo is that person...then surely it shows that they are in no way fit to present any casefile in a court since they appear to not even understand the basics. | Apr 08 01:13 |
| TheMadHatter | Actually I would and do. I'm a public person. I've deliberately chosen to be public. Many people are making that choice now. | Apr 08 01:14 |
| TheMadHatter | I don't see that wearing a bikini is a big deal. Millions of women wear bikinis. | Apr 08 01:14 |
| _goblin | yes, but would you if you were doing what that person was? Taking people to court for adult material......surely common sense would say, hangon....Ive got a bit of a bad image problem with the filesharers....I don't really want them getting this photo,. | Apr 08 01:15 |
| _goblin | Its not the Bikini.....its the unprofessionalism of it.... | Apr 08 01:15 |
| TheMadHatter | I wouldn't care if they got that photo. SO what if I wear a bikini? I have the body for it. | Apr 08 01:15 |
| _goblin | let me example as I think you are missing point..... | Apr 08 01:15 |
| TheMadHatter | What's unprofessional about wearing a bikini on holiday? What's unprofessional about staying at a nudist resort on holiday? | Apr 08 01:16 |
| _goblin | nothing at all....in respect of the bikini, the photo, the holiday etc etc. | Apr 08 01:16 |
| TheMadHatter | As I said, it you could prove she was downloading movies, that would be different. | Apr 08 01:17 |
| _goblin | Its the fact that a solicitor involved in trying to prove a filesharing case in an openly hostile "file sharing" world....would make it posible to get a private pic of her..this would certainly put less wieght in any evidence that person presented or was trying to prove. | Apr 08 01:18 |
| _goblin | Maybe I see the "balance of probabilities" wieght of evidence in a different light to you since you are not from the UK. | Apr 08 01:18 |
| _goblin | its nothing about the bikini itself (which I suppose is rather nice) | Apr 08 01:19 |
| TheMadHatter | Another thing would be if you could prove that she acted in porno films. Now that would be interesting. | Apr 08 01:19 |
| _goblin | but then that wouldn't really weaken the evidence she was providing. | Apr 08 01:20 |
| TheMadHatter | And I mean pro films, not the sort of stuff you and the missus might make... | Apr 08 01:20 |
| _goblin | lol... | Apr 08 01:20 |
| _goblin | I could refute that claim, but then I'll look guilty....so I wont. | Apr 08 01:20 |
| TheMadHatter | The question is what does this have to do with actions in court, or sending out blackmail letters? | Apr 08 01:21 |
| TheMadHatter | Now if it could be proven that ACS Law was downloading anything other than the files they supposedly are protecting, that would be interesting. If we knew what their IP address was, and had a torrent client that watched for that IP address... | Apr 08 01:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] If Governments Require “Open Source”, Then #Microsoft Will Pay/Bribe to Pretend to be “Open Source” http://ur1.ca/tzn3 | Apr 08 01:22 | |
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| TheMadHatter | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100407163945117 | Apr 08 01:22 |
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| _goblin | because If we are agreed that in an ideal world a personal pic would not want to be seen by the person concerned....especially in a community that is openly hostile towards her actions...then it is reasonable to suggest that anyone of average tech savvyness would take steps to prevent that happening....if they don't it shows lack of knowledge of IT, something which any firm proceeding with filesharing cases would want to avoid.. | Apr 08 01:23 |
| _goblin | ..that in itself could blow a case away. | Apr 08 01:23 |
| TheMadHatter | Why would she care? She looks great in that bikini. Most women would be jealous of her figure. | Apr 08 01:24 |
| _goblin | she wouldn't nor shouldn't....its the courts intrepretation of her professionalism and evidence. | Apr 08 01:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | who? | Apr 08 01:24 |
| _goblin | and that alone would cast doubt on her case which lets be fair rests on ropey evidence to say the least/ | Apr 08 01:25 |
| TheMadHatter | Why? | Apr 08 01:25 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: "@schestowitz once you abandon the idea that there can be one de for everyone, xfce can provide a great alternative- or convince you again" http://identi.ca/conversation/27630318#notice-27687196 | Apr 08 01:25 |
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| _goblin | because a filesharing case brought by any firm would have lamen within the court who would need to believe that the people filing the cases are experts. | Apr 08 01:26 |
| TheMadHatter | XFCE is great, prefer it over Gnome and KDE. | Apr 08 01:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | I only use xfce. | Apr 08 01:26 |
| _goblin | if they are bringing ridicule or revealing personal photo's that hardly makes them look pro....as Ive said repeatedly the filesharing cases are on ropey evidence....and btw the new Mint XFCE is something I am giving a try. | Apr 08 01:27 |
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| TheMadHatter | But a women in a bikini isn't unprofessional. | Apr 08 01:27 |
| _goblin | Anyway Themadhatter: It matters not now, its being taken up by a consumer rights website........ | Apr 08 01:28 |
| TheMadHatter | Unless she weighs 800 pounds. | Apr 08 01:28 |
| DaemonFC | TheMadHatter: Most people care more about their own headache than if you live or die | Apr 08 01:28 |
| TheMadHatter | The she is showing a lack of judgement. | Apr 08 01:28 |
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| DaemonFC | Why would you care if they are staring at you? | Apr 08 01:28 |
| DaemonFC | Flip them off and move on :) | Apr 08 01:28 |
| _goblin | TheMadHatter, Im sorry if its difficult to explain why this type of issue is of importance to a filesharing case.... | Apr 08 01:28 |
| yuhong | http://techrights.org/2010/04/07/patent-maximalists-revenge/#comment-88297 | Apr 08 01:30 |
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| _goblin | TheMadHatter, but having been present at plenty of civil proceeding for non work related matters, this type of incident or material is very important if, as a defendant you are trying to prove that the accusation of filesharing by an alleged pro is without substance....I'll leave it there, as I say a CR website has taken it up. | Apr 08 01:30 |
| TheMadHatter | Anway, did anyone else hear anything about a supposed 'New Desktop Foundation'? | Apr 08 01:30 |
| yuhong | http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2008-09/msg00453.html | Apr 08 01:30 |
| TheMadHatter | Goblin, how someone dresses on vacation isn't a big deal here. Now if they were running a porn site on the side, yes, that would be evidence of a lack of judgement. | Apr 08 01:33 |
| TheMadHatter | Now riding a bike naked through the streets of downtown Toronto wouldn't be considered a big deal either. | Apr 08 01:34 |
| TheMadHatter | I guess maybe Canadians are different. We don't get excited about the fiddly shit. | Apr 08 01:35 |
| TheMadHatter | Now hockey on the other hand gets us excited. | Apr 08 01:36 |
| TheMadHatter | Why do Canadians have sex doggy style when the hockey game is on? | Apr 08 01:36 |
| TheMadHatter | So they can both watch :) | Apr 08 01:36 |
| TheMadHatter | gotta go afk - mutt wants out. | Apr 08 01:37 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Any idea how a bolt of lightning set off my fire alarm? | Apr 08 01:37 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmm | Apr 08 01:40 |
| DaemonFC | interestingly enough, many patents on electric bicycles in the United States were patented long before the idea was practical :) | Apr 08 01:40 |
| DaemonFC | as early as the lat 1800s | Apr 08 01:41 |
| yuhong | schestowitz: I think part of the problem is that the FSF philosophy fundementally conflict with the Steve Jobs' philosophy of closed systems | Apr 08 01:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Yes, I will walk or p/t quite a long way to avoid using the phone. Phones and I just don't get along. | Apr 08 01:42 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @YukonGale @twiternair Reporters forced not2use washroom during PM visit http://3.ly/imI (via @nowpresent) //#Harper is insane. #cdnpoli | Apr 08 01:45 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Reporters forced to hold it in during PM's visit | Canada | News | Toronto Sun .::. Size~: 63.44 KB | Apr 08 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | "Prime Minister of Canada takes hostages, forces them to sing "Oh Canada!" for 12 hours without eating or using restroom" | Apr 08 01:48 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 08 01:48 |
| DaemonFC | "We still don't know what his demands are, but one woman has already thrown herself out the 11th story window" | Apr 08 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | "Stay tuned for more coverage" | Apr 08 01:50 |
| TheMadHatter | Yep, Harper is insane. But he has his redeeming qualities. He likes hockey. | Apr 08 01:52 |
| TheMadHatter | Did you know he's writing a book about the history of the sport? | Apr 08 01:53 |
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| DaemonFC | When is your next opportunity to get rid of him? | Apr 08 01:54 |
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| _goblin_ | TheMadHatter, sorry before I go, I just wanted to respond to the "fiddly" comment. Here in the UK, cases are lost when somthing like a simple case of PACE is not complied with during custody procedure. In respect of filesharing cases, credability of both the defendant and the claimant is tantramount especially because there are so many defences that can be made. The point was, if a slipup like this can be made where someone | Apr 08 01:57 |
| _goblin_ | connects their personal life to a real life matter/case (as may have happened here) then it tends to suggest the value of evidence they bring to the court is equally as weak....... | Apr 08 01:57 |
| _goblin_ | let me give you another example...this time from your country..... | Apr 08 01:57 |
| _goblin_ | I think you will find a case was lost recently because of a single comment on facebook made by the arresting officers whilst off duty. | Apr 08 01:58 |
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| _goblin_ | Heres the link: | Apr 08 02:01 |
| _goblin_ | http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/criminal-defendant-acquited-over-arresting-officers-facebook-and-myspace-remarks/ | Apr 08 02:01 |
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| _goblin_ | Quote "Gary Waters is one lucky perp. Already on parole for a burglery rap, he was arrested for gun possession, and went to trial. And then, he was acquitted because of comments that the arresting officer Vaughan Ettienne had made on Facebook and MySpace." | Apr 08 02:01 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz ben mako hill is good looking enough for "we're gnu" campaign. still waiting... i'm not sure gnu advertises, more than pbs" http://identi.ca/conversation/27627438#notice-27686563 | Apr 08 02:02 |
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| _goblin_ | Quote "And a few weeks previous, Vaughan Ettienne had written on his Facebook page that he was “watching “Training Day......" | Apr 08 02:02 |
| _goblin_ | thats all I really have to say....Roy, I had an email regarding the Oggcamp, will you be attending? | Apr 08 02:03 |
| _goblin_ | If you can go that will be great...theres 5 of us going (met through Twitter) so if you want to meet up......it will be interesting. | Apr 08 02:04 |
| _goblin_ | and thats me done for the night..... | Apr 08 02:06 |
| _goblin_ | "Smoke me a...."....no wait..... | Apr 08 02:06 |
| _goblin_ | "Cry havok and lets slip the dogs of war." | Apr 08 02:07 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right, thats me done for the night..meant to say, I had to show a 25yr old how to do long division today...is there any hope for the future? | Apr 08 02:13 | |
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| DeadSuperHero | Hello there. | Apr 08 02:14 |
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| yuhong | On the matter of Vista DRM, keep in mind not all of that stuff is active at boot-up. | Apr 08 02:15 |
| DeadSuperHero | lol, DRM. | Apr 08 02:16 |
| DeadSuperHero | I haven't run across actual DRM in soooo long. | Apr 08 02:16 |
| yuhong | Protected Processes is active from when the audiodg process is started, but the Protected Audio Path is only active when playing AACS content, I think. | Apr 08 02:16 |
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| DeadSuperHero | brb dinner time | Apr 08 02:18 |
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| TheMadHatter | Yes, because there's a lot of intelligent kids out there. It's just that you only hear about the bad ones. | Apr 08 02:26 |
| TheMadHatter | I know some damned good kids (being defined in this case as people between 18 and 25) | Apr 08 02:27 |
| TheMadHatter | Damn, I'm getting beagle eyes again. Those sorrowful brown eyes... | Apr 08 02:28 |
| TheMadHatter | Now he's trying to help me type. | Apr 08 02:29 |
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| DeadSuperHero | aaand we're back | Apr 08 02:30 |
| TheMadHatter | FYI, the guy who caused me to write this post http://madhatter.ca/2010/04/03/whos-blog-is-this-anyway/ has sent me an email wishing I'd die of cancer, since I won't support his view of the world. | Apr 08 02:30 |
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| yuhong | On MS people moving to VMware, here is a mention from a *MSDN* blog: | Apr 08 02:31 |
| yuhong | http://blogs.msdn.com/michkap/archive/2009/09/23/9898441.aspx | Apr 08 02:31 |
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| DeadSuperHero | TheMadHatter: that's terrible! | Apr 08 02:31 |
| yuhong | I was actually thinking about Tod Neilsen when I saw this, if you must know. | Apr 08 02:31 |
| yuhong | A former marketing VP at Microsoft who I have known for years via MS Access, he wrote a very nice foreword for my book (other, less important things he has been doing: he has also been an Oracle VP and a Crossgain principal and a Borland CEO and now runs VMWare). | Apr 08 02:31 |
| DeadSuperHero | Really, the immaturity of some people is apalling. Heaven forbid you have your own view on something. | Apr 08 02:31 |
| TheMadHatter | I was expecting it. I'm not a doctor, but I think this person has severe psychological issues. | Apr 08 02:31 |
| DeadSuperHero | Still, how old are they again? | Apr 08 02:32 |
| cubezzz | it's IRC | Apr 08 02:36 |
| cubezzz | you never know what you're going to get | Apr 08 02:36 |
| DeadSuperHero | True. | Apr 08 02:38 |
| cubezzz | meh, there's talk of porting mono to Amiga | Apr 08 02:39 |
| DeadSuperHero | LOL | Apr 08 02:39 |
| DeadSuperHero | Good luck with that. Maybe the four people that still own one will be able to try it out. | Apr 08 02:39 |
| cubezzz | now I've heard everything :) | Apr 08 02:39 |
| cubezzz | DeadSuperHero, Amiga isn't quite dead | Apr 08 02:40 |
| cubezzz | there's _still_ NOS Amiga 1200's | Apr 08 02:40 |
| DeadSuperHero | cubezzz: I'm aware. | Apr 08 02:40 |
| DeadSuperHero | I tend to keep up with Amiga news via AmigaWorld. | Apr 08 02:40 |
| cubezzz | ah well | Apr 08 02:40 |
| DeadSuperHero | The A-Eon X1000 looks nice. | Apr 08 02:40 |
| cubezzz | it does | Apr 08 02:40 |
| DeadSuperHero | And the work being done on Timberwolf, the port of Firefox to AmigaOS is quite exciting. | Apr 08 02:40 |
| cubezzz | yes | Apr 08 02:41 |
| DeadSuperHero | I've read good things about the OS 4.x series by Hyperion. It's nice to see development is still being done on it. I also enjoy playing some of the old games in UAE from time to time. | Apr 08 02:42 |
| DeadSuperHero | It's a shame Commadore fell through back in the 90's. They really had something special. | Apr 08 02:42 |
| cubezzz | of course it is closed source | Apr 08 02:42 |
| cubezzz | I was thinking of getting a 3000 and running Linux on it | Apr 08 02:42 |
| cubezzz | Upper Commodore management destroyed the company | Apr 08 02:43 |
| DeadSuperHero | True. At least AROS is around to give the open source community a taste of what AmigaOS was like, sorta. | Apr 08 02:43 |
| cubezzz | they were doing OK in 1992 | Apr 08 02:43 |
| cubezzz | I applied to become a dealer in 1991 | Apr 08 02:43 |
| DeadSuperHero | Ars Technica had a great series of articles detailing the Amiga and the downfall of Commadore. | Apr 08 02:43 |
| cubezzz | still have the kit | Apr 08 02:43 |
| DeadSuperHero | Ah, now I'm getting all nostalgic. | Apr 08 02:44 |
| DeadSuperHero | :P | Apr 08 02:44 |
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| cubezzz | even their cdrom thing was selling | Apr 08 02:45 |
| DeadSuperHero | Yeah. | Apr 08 02:45 |
| cubezzz | I can get NOS Amiga 1200 for 99 pounds | Apr 08 02:45 |
| DeadSuperHero | Makes you wonder what Commadore would've been like today if their company hadn't fallen through. I'd imagine the Amiga would still be proprietary, but the mind boggles at what kind of quality they could have provided with it. | Apr 08 02:45 |
| cubezzz | no hard drive, usb or ethernet though :) | Apr 08 02:45 |
| DeadSuperHero | Wow, that sounds pretty affordable though. | Apr 08 02:46 |
| cubezzz | about 150 bucks | Apr 08 02:46 |
| cubezzz | I think | Apr 08 02:46 |
| DeadSuperHero | For a classic machine as that though, that's a bargain. | Apr 08 02:46 |
| cubezzz | and you can connect it to VGA monitor... | Apr 08 02:46 |
| cubezzz | yeah it's tempting :) | Apr 08 02:46 |
| DeadSuperHero | In all honesty, I'd probably kill for an Amiga laptop, Ben Heck-style. | Apr 08 02:47 |
| DeadSuperHero | :P | Apr 08 02:47 |
| cubezzz | ah, I saw that :) | Apr 08 02:47 |
| DeadSuperHero | A Linux one does nicely though. | Apr 08 02:47 |
| TheMadHatter | Commodore had some really neat stuff, it's too bad that their management was worse than even Apple's was. | Apr 08 02:47 |
| DeadSuperHero | Ugh. | Apr 08 02:47 |
| DeadSuperHero | Good old Apple. | Apr 08 02:47 |
| cubezzz | I still remember not being able to afford the first Commodore PET | Apr 08 02:47 |
| TheMadHatter | If Jobs hadn't have come back, they'd have died. | Apr 08 02:48 |
| cubezzz | the one with the calculator keys :) | Apr 08 02:48 |
| DeadSuperHero | For someone that "revolutionized" computing, Apple did even worse than Commadore back in the 90s. | Apr 08 02:48 |
| TheMadHatter | I did a lot of programming on the C64, great computer. | Apr 08 02:48 |
| cubezzz | same here | Apr 08 02:48 |
| DeadSuperHero | Oh god, don't get me started. | Apr 08 02:48 |
| DeadSuperHero | The C64 was awesome. | Apr 08 02:48 |
| cubezzz | there's a lot of commodore types around :) | Apr 08 02:48 |
| TheMadHatter | Yep, 1990s Apple management was a disaster. | Apr 08 02:48 |
| TheMadHatter | C64 was best computer I'd had until I got a Mac. | Apr 08 02:49 |
| DeadSuperHero | But somehow they got an infusion of Microsoft's cash, bought out NeXT, and the rest is history. | Apr 08 02:49 |
| DeadSuperHero | And then Be, Inc went down the toilet with Commadore. | Apr 08 02:49 |
| TheMadHatter | None of the IBM, Gateway, or Acer machines could beat the C64. | Apr 08 02:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IBM Will Never be the Same After Taking Software Patents Out of Its Holster http://ur1.ca/tzzk #swpat #europe | Apr 08 02:49 | |
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| cubezzz | DeadSuperHero, you might want to check out http://www.amigakit.com | Apr 08 02:49 |
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| DeadSuperHero | Heh. | Apr 08 02:50 |
| TheMadHatter | Hell, I want an Amiga. | Apr 08 02:50 |
| cubezzz | ah I remember Next | Apr 08 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Apr 08 02:50 |
| DeadSuperHero | I'll probably hold out for the mythical X1000 | Apr 08 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | Canadians | Apr 08 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 08 02:50 |
| cubezzz | the guys at Waterloo were playing Arkanoid on it :) | Apr 08 02:50 |
| DeadSuperHero | Haha. | Apr 08 02:50 |
| TheMadHatter | Do the same thing I do with the Mac, run Linux alongside the original OS. | Apr 08 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | YOu need a helmet to go 15 miles per hour | Apr 08 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | really? | Apr 08 02:50 |
| cubezzz | I miss register level programming | Apr 08 02:51 |
| TheMadHatter | Yep. Linux works great on a Mac, and the hardware is better than most of the 'PC' hardware out there. | Apr 08 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | I've been thrown over the handlebars before and trust me, you don't typically land on your head at that speed | Apr 08 02:51 |
| DeadSuperHero | Mac hardware is pretty great, although they're standard x86 nowadays, correct? | Apr 08 02:51 |
| cubezzz | you should be wearing a helmet on a bike anyways | Apr 08 02:51 |
| TheMadHatter | But for recording I need OSX, there isn't any recording software for Linux that can beat GarageBand at present. | Apr 08 02:51 |
| *DaemonFC thinks "shhhhh Ryan, Canadians will have to wear asshelmets next" | Apr 08 02:52 | |
| DeadSuperHero | It's a shame PowerPC is going the way of the white buffalo. | Apr 08 02:52 |
| DeadSuperHero | PowerPC's are awesome. | Apr 08 02:52 |
| cubezzz | there's Sparc still... :) | Apr 08 02:52 |
| cubezzz | used | Apr 08 02:52 |
| TheMadHatter | Standard X86 - kind of. If you check Dell's website their pro level hardware is about equivalent. | Apr 08 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Indiana law says you don't need a helmet unless what you're driving can exceed 40 miles per hour | Apr 08 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | and by that time you have to have a driver's license, plate, and insurance too | Apr 08 02:53 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, I rode a bike for years without a helmet and I didn't have any problems | Apr 08 02:53 |
| DeadSuperHero | cubezzz: Yeah, SPARC is pretty awesome, but there really isn't much of it in consumer electronics. | Apr 08 02:53 |
| cubezzz | but I wouldn't do that now | Apr 08 02:53 |
| cubezzz | I wonder how good Linux would be on Amiga though | Apr 08 02:53 |
| DeadSuperHero | Pretty much like Linux on everything else. | Apr 08 02:54 |
| DeadSuperHero | As good as you can make it. | Apr 08 02:54 |
| DeadSuperHero | ;) | Apr 08 02:54 |
| cubezzz | DeadSuperHero, yeah but what about X, would it be too slow? | Apr 08 02:54 |
| cubezzz | I'm sure text mode would be fine | Apr 08 02:54 |
| DeadSuperHero | cubezzz: You'd probably be just fine on text mode. X might be really really slow now that I think of it. | Apr 08 02:54 |
| DeadSuperHero | X in general is kind of a mess. | Apr 08 02:55 |
| cubezzz | of course maybe AMigans don't use X | Apr 08 02:55 |
| cubezzz | there's Qtopia... | Apr 08 02:55 |
| cubezzz | and probably other ones | Apr 08 02:55 |
| DeadSuperHero | Maybe DirectFB would be able to do something. | Apr 08 02:56 |
| DeadSuperHero | I seem to recall that can be used as an alternative to X, and is fairly lightweight. | Apr 08 02:56 |
| cubezzz | I know that game programming on the 500 was asm | Apr 08 02:56 |
| cubezzz | swap out the whole OS | Apr 08 02:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @typographica Now this is a letterhead: http://tumblr.com/xcb8bwfwi // #design #typography | Apr 08 02:56 | |
| cubezzz | but the 1200? dunno | Apr 08 02:56 |
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| cubezzz | maybe there's something on distro watch | Apr 08 02:58 |
| DeadSuperHero | Whatcha looking for on DistroWatch? | Apr 08 02:58 |
| cubezzz | amiga linux :) | Apr 08 02:59 |
| DeadSuperHero | lol | Apr 08 02:59 |
| DeadSuperHero | I'm aware that there's an Amiga-like Window manager for Linux called AmiWM. Was kind of interesting, though it looks REALLY dated. | Apr 08 02:59 |
| cubezzz | I mean 3000 is 68030 I think | Apr 08 02:59 |
| cubezzz | I don't think I can just put Fedora on it | Apr 08 03:00 |
| DeadSuperHero | You could always kick it old school and do a Linux From Scratch on it. | Apr 08 03:00 |
| cubezzz | yeah | Apr 08 03:01 |
| cubezzz | that would be quite a project | Apr 08 03:01 |
| DeadSuperHero | Provided that you have lots of spare time, of course. | Apr 08 03:01 |
| cubezzz | I have _some_ spare time | Apr 08 03:01 |
| cubezzz | Debian supports Motorola | Apr 08 03:02 |
| cubezzz | and the BSD's | Apr 08 03:02 |
| DeadSuperHero | This seems to be helpful: http://linuxonamiga.org/ | Apr 08 03:03 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Main Page - LinuxOnAmiga .::. Size~: 11.42 KB | Apr 08 03:03 |
| DeadSuperHero | Haha, NetBSD has an Amiga Port. | Apr 08 03:04 |
| DeadSuperHero | That's kind of awesome. | Apr 08 03:04 |
| cubezzz | wow, they managed to lose the source for AMIX | Apr 08 03:04 |
| DeadSuperHero | That's a shame. | Apr 08 03:05 |
| DeadSuperHero | Oh well. | Apr 08 03:05 |
| cubezzz | well at least the 3000 would be quiet | Apr 08 03:05 |
| cubezzz | no fans | Apr 08 03:05 |
| cubezzz | I wanted to try something non x86 | Apr 08 03:05 |
| cubezzz | NetBSD supports ARM too | Apr 08 03:06 |
| DeadSuperHero | Debian has a Motorola port, you were right about that. | Apr 08 03:06 |
| DeadSuperHero | Dunno how well it'd work on it though. | Apr 08 03:06 |
| cubezzz | yeah | Apr 08 03:06 |
| cubezzz | I'm not seeing "works great on Amiga" anywhere :-0 | Apr 08 03:07 |
| cubezzz | $140 CAN for Amiga 1200 :) | Apr 08 03:07 |
| cubezzz | plus probably $50 for shipping | Apr 08 03:07 |
| WireWulf | linux kernel (current) next-20100407 2.6.34-rc3-git6 2.6.34-rc3 2.6.33.2 2.6.32.11 2.6.31.13 2.6.30.10 2.6.27.46 2.4.37.9 | Apr 08 03:09 |
| WireWulf | damned it | Apr 08 03:09 |
| cubezzz | DeadSuperHero, it seems the price for old c64's are creeping up again | Apr 08 03:09 |
| DeadSuperHero | LOL | Apr 08 03:09 |
| cubezzz | it's a bit strange | Apr 08 03:09 |
| DeadSuperHero | Maybe there's a surge in people wanting retro computers. | Apr 08 03:09 |
| cubezzz | probably | Apr 08 03:09 |
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| cubezzz | sick of doze | Apr 08 03:10 |
| DeadSuperHero | I wonder if gNewSense could be ported to a C64. Or is that a terrible idea? | Apr 08 03:10 |
| cubezzz | ah...... no, that's a bad idea :) | Apr 08 03:10 |
| DeadSuperHero | :D | Apr 08 03:10 |
| cubezzz | I'm crazy but not _that_ crazy | Apr 08 03:10 |
| DeadSuperHero | The machine would probably die. | Apr 08 03:10 |
| cubezzz | there is some weird unix thing for c64 though | Apr 08 03:10 |
| DeadSuperHero | LUnix? | Apr 08 03:11 |
| DeadSuperHero | "Little Unix for the Commadore 64" | Apr 08 03:11 |
| DeadSuperHero | Wow. | Apr 08 03:11 |
| WireWulf | there was afew at one time | Apr 08 03:11 |
| WireWulf | LUC64 :P | Apr 08 03:12 |
| DeadSuperHero | Heh. | Apr 08 03:12 |
| cubezzz | yes, that was it | Apr 08 03:12 |
| cubezzz | I'm not sure I want to go that retro, seriously | Apr 08 03:13 |
| cubezzz | Amiga 300 at least | Apr 08 03:13 |
| DeadSuperHero | Fair enough. | Apr 08 03:13 |
| cubezzz | if they made a Ben type laptop for c64 though... | Apr 08 03:13 |
| DeadSuperHero | Like I said, an Amiga laptop would be a lot of fun. | Apr 08 03:14 |
| cubezzz | if Amiga could really come back that would be something | Apr 08 03:14 |
| cubezzz | yeah | Apr 08 03:14 |
| DeadSuperHero | One could only hope. | Apr 08 03:14 |
| cubezzz | there must have been lots of unsold 1200's | Apr 08 03:15 |
| DeadSuperHero | Worse comes to worst, maybe Hyperion will open source their technologies and AROS will adapt it. | Apr 08 03:15 |
| cubezzz | one could always buy the inexpensive 1200 then expand it later | Apr 08 03:15 |
| DeadSuperHero | Yeah. | Apr 08 03:15 |
| cubezzz | Amiga 3000's go used for about $300 | Apr 08 03:16 |
| DeadSuperHero | That's a pretty decent price. | Apr 08 03:16 |
| DeadSuperHero | Considering they used to be like THOUSANDS of dollars. | Apr 08 03:16 |
| cubezzz | well, it's a wee bit risky buying on ebay | Apr 08 03:16 |
| cubezzz | and no USB, so you'd need a Commodore mouse | Apr 08 03:17 |
| cubezzz | but same with Sparc | Apr 08 03:17 |
| cubezzz | with Sparc you need SUn keyboard/mouse | Apr 08 03:18 |
| DeadSuperHero | Meh. | Apr 08 03:18 |
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| DeadSuperHero | It's just a pity that x86 dominated the market. | Apr 08 03:18 |
| cubezzz | economies of scale | Apr 08 03:19 |
| DeadSuperHero | Fair point. | Apr 08 03:19 |
| cubezzz | if you really want an Amiga you can get one :) | Apr 08 03:19 |
| DeadSuperHero | Oh, without a doubt. | Apr 08 03:19 |
| DeadSuperHero | But that won't stop me from waxing lyrical over "the way things went." from time to time. | Apr 08 03:19 |
| cubezzz | yes programming was easier | Apr 08 03:20 |
| cubezzz | the learning curve was not as steep as it is now | Apr 08 03:20 |
| cubezzz | no more wintel for me anyways :) | Apr 08 03:20 |
| DeadSuperHero | Eh, depends on the language I guess. | Apr 08 03:20 |
| DeadSuperHero | and lol, yeah. | Apr 08 03:20 |
| DeadSuperHero | I'm thinking of going with an AMD processor for my next machine anyways. | Apr 08 03:21 |
| cubezzz | I still have all my Amiga notes | Apr 08 03:21 |
| cubezzz | still have my Lattice C compiler for Amiga... | Apr 08 03:22 |
| DeadSuperHero | I don't even know what that is, sadly. | Apr 08 03:22 |
| cubezzz | Lattice made the first C compilers for Microsoft | Apr 08 03:22 |
| DeadSuperHero | lol. | Apr 08 03:23 |
| cubezzz | C is just a fairly low level language | Apr 08 03:23 |
| DeadSuperHero | C's just kind of always sort of been there. | Apr 08 03:23 |
| DeadSuperHero | I think just about every OS has some implementation of C. | Apr 08 03:23 |
| cubezzz | I even had a c64 C compiler :) | Apr 08 03:23 |
| cubezzz | super C I think it was called | Apr 08 03:24 |
| DeadSuperHero | Nice! | Apr 08 03:24 |
| WireWulf | C has been part of every os scentss Unix 4 came out | Apr 08 03:24 |
| cubezzz | but the thing was it was just simpler to program in assembler | Apr 08 03:24 |
| DeadSuperHero | The more you know. | Apr 08 03:24 |
| cubezzz | not portable though :) | Apr 08 03:25 |
| DeadSuperHero | It's hard to just pick a language nowadays. | Apr 08 03:25 |
| WireWulf | i hear assembler is a pain | Apr 08 03:25 |
| cubezzz | I still program mostly in C, but I'm old school | Apr 08 03:25 |
| cubezzz | WireWulf, it's not that bad on 8-bit cpus | Apr 08 03:25 |
| DeadSuperHero | Some people really like Python, others like C++, some Pascal, some Ruby, some Java, some C, and some people like C# but that one's controversial of course. | Apr 08 03:26 |
| DeadSuperHero | It's hard to pick just one to get started on and go with. | Apr 08 03:26 |
| DeadSuperHero | :P | Apr 08 03:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] It's probably buggy as hell, I don't dare try to actually boot the crap I write. -- Linus Torvalds | Apr 08 03:26 | |
| cubezzz | well, I'd say go with C | Apr 08 03:26 |
| WireWulf | i hear java is easy | Apr 08 03:27 |
| WireWulf | but bloated | Apr 08 03:27 |
| DeadSuperHero | My main beef with Java is that it's slow and Swing doesn't really integrate well with GTK. | Apr 08 03:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | fail | Apr 08 03:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | java is extremely fast | Apr 08 03:27 |
| cubezzz | ah, Diablo-D3 is here :) | Apr 08 03:27 |
| DeadSuperHero | Not for me. | Apr 08 03:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | then you suck at programming | Apr 08 03:28 |
| DeadSuperHero | It's always been slow as molasses in January on my machine. | Apr 08 03:28 |
| DeadSuperHero | Wasn't even my code. ;) | Apr 08 03:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | then quit blaming the language for idiot coders | Apr 08 03:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ive written Java thats faster than the same in C. | Apr 08 03:28 |
| DeadSuperHero | I'm sorry, I'm just looking at this empirically. If every Java app I've ever used is slow and buggy, then what am I supposed to say about it? | Apr 08 03:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | a lot of idiot coders use java | Apr 08 03:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | the only way to evaluate a language is to use it yourself for a month. | Apr 08 03:29 |
| cubezzz | no one language is the best | Apr 08 03:29 |
| DeadSuperHero | A lot of idiot coders also use c++ | Apr 08 03:30 |
| cubezzz | probably best to learn C and Java both | Apr 08 03:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, except C++ is actually horrid | Apr 08 03:30 |
| *Diablo-D3 has done C for over 10 years, and Java for close to 1, and Perl for over 5 | Apr 08 03:30 | |
| *Diablo-D3 has also evaluated dozens of languages | Apr 08 03:30 | |
| DeadSuperHero | lol | Apr 08 03:30 |
| DeadSuperHero | Ego trip much? | Apr 08 03:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | Not really. I'm just saying, my opinion has more weight than yours. | Apr 08 03:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | Java is more than fast enough if you don't act like a faggot and code stupid shit. | Apr 08 03:31 |
| DeadSuperHero | I think that was uncalled for. | Apr 08 03:31 |
| neighborlee | its ok,,diablo is stuck in time where idiocy and burning people at the stake were all too common...so for him its just fine ;) | Apr 08 03:32 |
| DeadSuperHero | =/ | Apr 08 03:32 |
| neighborlee | sometimes you just need to call a spade, a friggin spade | Apr 08 03:33 |
| WireWulf | I'd say atleast learn C | Apr 08 03:33 |
| DeadSuperHero | Fair enough. | Apr 08 03:33 |
| WireWulf | as it is the main thing in Unix and Unix based os's | Apr 08 03:33 |
| WireWulf | + the bases of java,C#,C++ | Apr 08 03:34 |
| DeadSuperHero | Seems reasonable enough. | Apr 08 03:34 |
| DeadSuperHero | I've heard a lot of good things about Python as well. | Apr 08 03:34 |
| cubezzz | I'd say the real barrier to programmers isn't the language but the hardware documentation | Apr 08 03:35 |
| WireWulf | heh python leaks too much | Apr 08 03:35 |
| DeadSuperHero | Does it? | Apr 08 03:35 |
| cubezzz | but if the job is X, you learn X :) | Apr 08 03:35 |
| WireWulf | or maybe it is most of the python-dev i know | Apr 08 03:35 |
| cubezzz | python is fine for quickie stuff | Apr 08 03:36 |
| WireWulf | it is iight for ircbots | Apr 08 03:36 |
| WireWulf | and scripts | Apr 08 03:36 |
| cubezzz | you're not going to program a chess program in python :) | Apr 08 03:36 |
| WireWulf | but all and all it seems to leak worse then perl does | Apr 08 03:37 |
| WireWulf | cubezzz: no i'd do it in C and use openGL on the frontend | Apr 08 03:37 |
| DeadSuperHero | What about Vala? | Apr 08 03:37 |
| WireWulf | never messed with vala that i can think of | Apr 08 03:38 |
| cubezzz | beyond the Tolkien reference, no idea :) | Apr 08 03:38 |
| cubezzz | a lot of games in the early part of 2000 were C++ | Apr 08 03:39 |
| WireWulf | cubezzz: most linux games are C with openGL or a ncurses frontend :P | Apr 08 03:40 |
| cubezzz | WireWulf, if you ever look at the LGP ports, they are mostly C++ | Apr 08 03:40 |
| cubezzz | they even did a couple of PPC ports | Apr 08 03:41 |
| cubezzz | not sure about Loki's ports, I never got to see their source code | Apr 08 03:41 |
| cubezzz | but the x86 monopoly is getting stronger | Apr 08 03:43 |
| DeadSuperHero | Shame. | Apr 08 03:43 |
| cubezzz | there's x86 and ARM and not much else | Apr 08 03:43 |
| DeadSuperHero | MIPS | Apr 08 03:44 |
| DeadSuperHero | I think that's about it though | Apr 08 03:44 |
| cubezzz | old Amigas... :) | Apr 08 03:44 |
| DeadSuperHero | lol | Apr 08 03:44 |
| cubezzz | and who knows, maybe new ones | Apr 08 03:44 |
| WireWulf | wii is ppc :P | Apr 08 03:44 |
| DeadSuperHero | Supposedly the x1000 is going to be PowerPC-based. | Apr 08 03:44 |
| WireWulf | xD | Apr 08 03:44 |
| cubezzz | ah, I guess PPC is still alive then | Apr 08 03:45 |
| DeadSuperHero | To a degree, it's just not as prevalent. | Apr 08 03:45 |
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| WireWulf | my psp is arm i think | Apr 08 03:45 |
| WireWulf | that depends on model | Apr 08 03:45 |
| cubezzz | oh there's lots of ARM devices | Apr 08 03:45 |
| WireWulf | sparc isnt dead yet (still good for servers) | Apr 08 03:46 |
| cubezzz | are they still making Sparc cpus? | Apr 08 03:46 |
| cubezzz | I wasn't sure about that | Apr 08 03:46 |
| WireWulf | i thinnk so | Apr 08 03:46 |
| WireWulf | well maybe not after the buyout | Apr 08 03:47 |
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| WireWulf | there is ultrasparc t1 and t2 | Apr 08 03:55 |
| cubezzz | yeah I could buy a used Sparc | Apr 08 03:56 |
| cubezzz | but not a t1 or t2 | Apr 08 03:56 |
| WireWulf | t2 came out apr 2008 so yeah if sparc cpus are dead it would have been resent | Apr 08 03:56 |
| DeadSuperHero | Ew, there's an Oracle logo on the OpenOffice website. | Apr 08 03:56 |
| DeadSuperHero | Gross. | Apr 08 03:56 |
| cubezzz | well... you knew that was going to happen | Apr 08 03:57 |
| DeadSuperHero | Yeah... | Apr 08 03:57 |
| DeadSuperHero | I dunno, I doubt they'll bring much good to OpenOffice as it is. | Apr 08 03:57 |
| cubezzz | even Novell contributed to Linux | Apr 08 03:57 |
| DeadSuperHero | True, and that's all fine and dandy. | Apr 08 03:58 |
| DeadSuperHero | But I was quite a fan of OpenSolaris, and now I'm not so sure where they're headed under Oracle. | Apr 08 03:58 |
| cubezzz | OpenSolaris on x86? | Apr 08 03:58 |
| DeadSuperHero | Yeah. | Apr 08 03:58 |
| DeadSuperHero | The only thing I didn't like about OpenSolaris was the package manager. | Apr 08 03:59 |
| cubezzz | I got Solaris 10 around | Apr 08 04:00 |
| DeadSuperHero | Overally Solaris/OpenSolaris is really nice. A good solid UNIX. | Apr 08 04:01 |
| cubezzz | I remember Sun4's | Apr 08 04:01 |
| cubezzz | they might have been pre-Solaris though | Apr 08 04:01 |
| cubezzz | ah. both | Apr 08 04:02 |
| cubezzz | SunOS and later on Solaris 2.1 to 2.4 | Apr 08 04:02 |
| DeadSuperHero | Yep. | Apr 08 04:02 |
| cubezzz | the first Sparc maybe? | Apr 08 04:03 |
| WireWulf | sun4 was the frist to use RISA based arch | Apr 08 04:03 |
| WireWulf | which makes it in the class of sparc | Apr 08 04:03 |
| WireWulf | however sparc t2's seem to out profrom x64_86 | Apr 08 04:04 |
| cubezzz | that's probably true but... | Apr 08 04:05 |
| cubezzz | I'm sure it's too expensive to buy for a regular user | Apr 08 04:05 |
| DeadSuperHero | Huh, I guess Ubuntu dropped Yahoo as a search provider and is going back to Google. | Apr 08 04:07 |
| DeadSuperHero | Not too sure how I feel about that. | Apr 08 04:07 |
| cubezzz | well Yahoo was sort of teaming up with MIcrosoft... | Apr 08 04:08 |
| cubezzz | not too sure about Yahoo and open source | Apr 08 04:08 |
| DeadSuperHero | Yahoo's sort of iffy. | Apr 08 04:09 |
| DeadSuperHero | But on the one hand, Canonical was going to get a big wad of cash for having Yahoo as the default rather than Google. | Apr 08 04:09 |
| DeadSuperHero | And of course, money for their developers could always be a good thing. | Apr 08 04:09 |
| DeadSuperHero | But then again, maybe it was for the best. | Apr 08 04:09 |
| cubezzz | Google probably paid Canonical something | Apr 08 04:09 |
| WireWulf | not to happy with google either | Apr 08 04:10 |
| DeadSuperHero | There was a really spiffy search engine that came up on the Ubuntu forums a while back | Apr 08 04:10 |
| cubezzz | what's left? :) | Apr 08 04:10 |
| DeadSuperHero | I can't remember for the life of me what it was called. | Apr 08 04:11 |
| DeadSuperHero | It had something to do with green computing, and had this really cool map of the world on their homepage. | Apr 08 04:11 |
| DeadSuperHero | I thought it was called Lavaa, but that's not coming up correctly. | Apr 08 04:11 |
| DeadSuperHero | Hmmm | Apr 08 04:11 |
| WireWulf | http://www.altavista.com/ and ask :P | Apr 08 04:12 |
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| cubezzz | I used to use Altavista | Apr 08 04:12 |
| WireWulf | still better then google for hackers/crackers | Apr 08 04:12 |
| DeadSuperHero | I thought Altavista was powered by Yahoo. | Apr 08 04:12 |
| DeadSuperHero | I used to use Dogpile all the time. | Apr 08 04:12 |
| DeadSuperHero | That's soooo 90's though. | Apr 08 04:13 |
| cubezzz | I started on the net before www | Apr 08 04:13 |
| Aondo | huh? not going yahoo? or are you just speculating? | Apr 08 04:13 |
| cubezzz | so I've used tons of different things | Apr 08 04:13 |
| WireWulf | ask was so 2k1 :P | Apr 08 04:13 |
| cubezzz | wais and gopher :) | Apr 08 04:13 |
| DeadSuperHero | Ahhh Gopher. | Apr 08 04:13 |
| DeadSuperHero | The Gopher protocol was awesome. | Apr 08 04:14 |
| WireWulf | i use net.spiders normaly | Apr 08 04:14 |
| WireWulf | ^not a website but a bot | Apr 08 04:14 |
| DeadSuperHero | cubezzz: I do believe I can wax lyrical over just about any 90's technology with you at this point. | Apr 08 04:14 |
| cubezzz | I can talk about 70's tech if you prefer :) | Apr 08 04:15 |
| DeadSuperHero | lol | Apr 08 04:15 |
| DeadSuperHero | 70's was a bit before my time. | Apr 08 04:15 |
| cubezzz | 90's was the death of a lot of stuff | Apr 08 04:15 |
| DeadSuperHero | The PDP-11 was pretty awesome though. | Apr 08 04:15 |
| *WireWulf doesn't remember PDP-11 | Apr 08 04:16 | |
| DeadSuperHero | True, but that era was when I grew up, and the tech industry had all sorts of potential back then. | Apr 08 04:16 |
| *WireWulf was born in 1989 | Apr 08 04:16 | |
| DeadSuperHero | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDP-11 | Apr 08 04:16 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: PDP-11 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 85.04 KB | Apr 08 04:16 |
| WireWulf | :P | Apr 08 04:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@typographica No response to my #Apple query. Not even a bug/ticket repo or form for feature reqs? //right. just a black hole email, iirc | Apr 08 04:16 | |
| DeadSuperHero | WireWulf: you're only a year older than me. | Apr 08 04:16 |
| cubezzz | yeah it's mostly younger ones on IRC :) | Apr 08 04:16 |
| DeadSuperHero | Hey, now. | Apr 08 04:17 |
| WireWulf | DeadSuperHero: unix 1-3 was coded in PDP i cant remember the number tho | Apr 08 04:17 |
| DeadSuperHero | I have to deal with the daily horror that I'm nearly 20. | Apr 08 04:17 |
| DeadSuperHero | :P | Apr 08 04:17 |
| cubezzz | PDP-11 is going back all the way to 1970 | Apr 08 04:17 |
| *WireWulf is 21 | Apr 08 04:17 | |
| DeadSuperHero | Scary. | Apr 08 04:17 |
| cubezzz | I never used one of those | Apr 08 04:17 |
| DeadSuperHero | Nearly 20 and I still sit on IRC. | Apr 08 04:17 |
| DeadSuperHero | Goodness. | Apr 08 04:18 |
| WireWulf | DeadSuperHero: i am 21 and i remember BBS (tho vagly) | Apr 08 04:18 |
| cubezzz | a lot of the anti-microsoft crowd is older | Apr 08 04:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@NewsHoundEllen Bristol Palin sells abstinence; Like lying mother, like daughter //has eye on future career as professional liar, like mom | Apr 08 04:18 | |
| cubezzz | I ran a BBS :) | Apr 08 04:18 |
| cubezzz | Pyroto Mountain for one | Apr 08 04:18 |
| WireWulf | cubezzz: so is most of the anti-socialism/communism crowd | Apr 08 04:19 |
| DeadSuperHero | I'm actually pro-communism. | Apr 08 04:19 |
| WireWulf | heh fail | Apr 08 04:19 |
| cubezzz | the generation after me seemed to largely embrace MIcrosoft | Apr 08 04:19 |
| DeadSuperHero | But I actually like a lot of what Marx had to say on the matter. | Apr 08 04:19 |
| DeadSuperHero | And anyone with half a brain will tell you that Communism fails because people are corrupt. | Apr 08 04:19 |
| DeadSuperHero | Good faith systems don't really work. | Apr 08 04:19 |
| DeadSuperHero | Doesn't mean you can't like them though. | Apr 08 04:20 |
| cubezzz | well any system has people in it :) | Apr 08 04:20 |
| WireWulf | capitalism works to a point | Apr 08 04:20 |
| cubezzz | FOSS works | Apr 08 04:20 |
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| DeadSuperHero | Capitalism magically stops working from time to time though. | Apr 08 04:20 |
| cubezzz | the Soviet Union was slow to get PCs btw | Apr 08 04:20 |
| cubezzz | just saying | Apr 08 04:20 |
| DeadSuperHero | I don't doubt it. | Apr 08 04:21 |
| DeadSuperHero | All real-world examples of Communism are coupled with dictatorships. | Apr 08 04:21 |
| DeadSuperHero | As far as I can tell anyways. | Apr 08 04:21 |
| WireWulf | DeadSuperHero: communism cant be truly used with humanity currently | Apr 08 04:21 |
| DeadSuperHero | Unfortunately. | Apr 08 04:21 |
| cubezzz | Communism works sort of... in smaller groups | Apr 08 04:22 |
| DeadSuperHero | It's a shame though, it really would fit in well with democracy. | Apr 08 04:22 |
| cubezzz | e.g. Amish share stuff with each other | Apr 08 04:22 |
| DeadSuperHero | You'd have to build it from the ground up. | Apr 08 04:22 |
| DeadSuperHero | A resource-based economy and whatnot. | Apr 08 04:22 |
| DeadSuperHero | :P | Apr 08 04:22 |
| DeadSuperHero | Maybe 100 years from now. | Apr 08 04:22 |
| WireWulf | however i am a functionalist what works today is what i like | Apr 08 04:22 |
| WireWulf | if caoitalism slows down anger flow at other ppl keep it | Apr 08 04:23 |
| DeadSuperHero | lol, that's kind of an ambiguous statement. | Apr 08 04:23 |
| DeadSuperHero | If what works today does not work tomorrow, did it work to begin with, or did it just happen to stop working? | Apr 08 04:23 |
| cubezzz | well if food prices tripled tomorrow... | Apr 08 04:24 |
| cubezzz | what would happen? | Apr 08 04:24 |
| WireWulf | DeadSuperHero: tribes worked at on point | Apr 08 04:24 |
| cubezzz | riots? | Apr 08 04:24 |
| DeadSuperHero | Tribes still work in small enough numbers. | Apr 08 04:24 |
| WireWulf | city-states also worked | Apr 08 04:25 |
| WireWulf | at one point | Apr 08 04:25 |
| DeadSuperHero | Makes you wonder if we'll ever hit upon a "Perfect" or at least a "Perfect Enough" system of government | Apr 08 04:25 |
| cubezzz | yeah Tribes worked great until the Europeans came over :) | Apr 08 04:25 |
| DeadSuperHero | Ahh yeah. | Apr 08 04:25 |
| WireWulf | there is a constant move to a bigger goverment over a larger crowd of ppl | Apr 08 04:25 |
| WireWulf | so to force a socialistic style goverment would honistly never work just let it flow there its self | Apr 08 04:26 |
| cubezzz | maybe tribes and immigrants co-existed in the 18th century | Apr 08 04:26 |
| cubezzz | but later on.... well we know what happened | Apr 08 04:26 |
| DeadSuperHero | And then the Industrial Revolution happened. | Apr 08 04:26 |
| DeadSuperHero | dun dun duuuun' | Apr 08 04:27 |
| cubezzz | yeah but we got computers :) | Apr 08 04:27 |
| cubezzz | eventually | Apr 08 04:27 |
| WireWulf | cubezzz: i have had a pc all my life | Apr 08 04:28 |
| cubezzz | but now they try to help out First Nations | Apr 08 04:28 |
| WireWulf | just not the internet | Apr 08 04:28 |
| cubezzz | I think Canada gives them about 2 billion each year | Apr 08 04:28 |
| WireWulf | first nations? | Apr 08 04:28 |
| WireWulf | 3rd wold countries? | Apr 08 04:28 |
| WireWulf | *world | Apr 08 04:28 |
| cubezzz | no, that's what we call natives in Canada | Apr 08 04:29 |
| WireWulf | ahh wail not candian :P | Apr 08 04:30 |
| cubezzz | indigenous peoples if you prefer | Apr 08 04:30 |
| WireWulf | southeren conservitive US of A citizen | Apr 08 04:30 |
| cubezzz | I voted for the greens in the last election :) | Apr 08 04:32 |
| cubezzz | they didn't win any seats though | Apr 08 04:32 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, Indiana law DOES allow you to ride your bike on a state highway | Apr 08 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | interesting | Apr 08 04:33 |
| cubezzz | uhhh, why would you want to? :) | Apr 08 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | with the electric motor and a 30 mile range? | Apr 08 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | it's a thought | Apr 08 04:34 |
| cubezzz | a state highway? | Apr 08 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Apr 08 04:34 |
| cubezzz | sounds a bit dangerous doesn't it? | Apr 08 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | meh | Apr 08 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | could stay in the emergency lane | Apr 08 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt a cop would give me grief over that | Apr 08 04:34 |
| cubezzz | maybe it would be OK during the day | Apr 08 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | right | Apr 08 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | well, I go to Marion sometimes to visit my aunt and uncle for example | Apr 08 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | that would be about a 2 hour trip and a few miles left on my second battery | Apr 08 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | I could charge them and have enough power to make it home | Apr 08 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | Highway 9 is never all that busy anyway | Apr 08 04:37 |
| cubezzz | how many miles? | Apr 08 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | about 26 miles there | Apr 08 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | the batteries each last about 15 | Apr 08 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | I could peddle a few miles if I had to | Apr 08 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | but I think I should make it there with some power left on the second one | Apr 08 04:38 |
| cubezzz | or you could run 2 marathons :) | Apr 08 04:38 |
| cubezzz | one there, one back | Apr 08 04:38 |
| WireWulf | 15 miles you say? | Apr 08 04:39 |
| WireWulf | per battery | Apr 08 04:39 |
| WireWulf | you'd have 4 miles left over | Apr 08 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | 26.5 miles in 2 hours 19 minutes according to Google on a normal bike | Apr 08 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like to know where they got that at | Apr 08 04:40 |
| WireWulf | not bad | Apr 08 04:40 |
| WireWulf | 30mph on a bike would be less then 1 hour | Apr 08 04:40 |
| WireWulf | gb anyway | Apr 08 04:41 |
| WireWulf | *gn | Apr 08 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | ok, who here could sustain 11.43 miles per hour for 2 hours and 19 minutes on a bicycle? | Apr 08 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | without any type of motor | Apr 08 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 08 04:41 |
| cubezzz | sounds doable | Apr 08 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | uhhhhm | Apr 08 04:42 |
| *WireWulf is now known as WireWulf-away | Apr 08 04:42 | |
| DaemonFC | if there's no hills in the way and you're Lance Armstrong I guess | Apr 08 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | it ould probably take me about 4 hours | Apr 08 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not going to kill myself trying to make it there in record time | Apr 08 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | but ith that motor I won't even have to peddle and I can make it there in about 1 hour 50 minutes | Apr 08 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 08 04:44 |
| cubezzz | but you would have a power assisted bike? | Apr 08 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | the one I have now isn't | Apr 08 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | I have a little bit of a cash flow problem at the moment | Apr 08 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | acquisition of electric bike is going to be held up for another week or two | Apr 08 04:45 |
| cubezzz | well at least you get lots of exercise | Apr 08 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I'd guess I'm around 190 pounds now | Apr 08 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | the heaviest I've ever been was 265 | Apr 08 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: The only problem is that $399 bike only comes as a 17" | Apr 08 04:47 |
| DeadSuperHero | I'm down to 180 myself. | Apr 08 04:47 |
| DeadSuperHero | I'm working on going into the Air Force, so I have to fit the weight requirement. | Apr 08 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | the guy on the phone said that would only work for someone was a 32" inseam or less | Apr 08 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | I'm a 34" | Apr 08 04:47 |
| cubezzz | what's the weight requirement? | Apr 08 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | 240 pounds or less | Apr 08 04:47 |
| cubezzz | oh well... that's easy | Apr 08 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | I guess I could jack the seat up a couple inches | Apr 08 04:48 |
| cubezzz | I've never been that fat :) | Apr 08 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | the only way to get a 21" is to pay $999 | Apr 08 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | I would like the $399 model | Apr 08 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 08 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | the bike I have now is a 21", and a little big for me | Apr 08 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | 19" would probably be perfect | Apr 08 04:49 |
| DeadSuperHero | cubezzz: The weight requirement is 190, but I was all the way up to 220 at one point. | Apr 08 04:49 |
| cubezzz | ah well | Apr 08 04:49 |
| DeadSuperHero | Well, for someone my height anyways. | Apr 08 04:49 |
| cubezzz | computer types have that problem I know | Apr 08 04:49 |
| DeadSuperHero | Yep. | Apr 08 04:50 |
| DeadSuperHero | Just don't ever, ever do SlimFast to lose weight. | Apr 08 04:50 |
| DeadSuperHero | Worst decision ever. | Apr 08 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | DeadSuperHero: yeah, also got to save room for that bigass breakfast at the MEPS station | Apr 08 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 08 04:50 |
| DeadSuperHero | :D | Apr 08 04:50 |
| cubezzz | DeadSuperHero, never tried SlimFast | Apr 08 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | they try to trick you into pigging out the night before and the morning of the physical | Apr 08 04:50 |
| DeadSuperHero | I did it for two straight months earlier this year to prepare for MEPS. | Apr 08 04:50 |
| DeadSuperHero | You basically eat your own muscles. | Apr 08 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | they bring in all kinds of shit smothered with bacon and cheese.... | Apr 08 04:50 |
| DeadSuperHero | mmmmm | Apr 08 04:51 |
| DeadSuperHero | I can't wait. | Apr 08 04:51 |
| cubezzz | yeah I just eat healthy, no special diet | Apr 08 04:51 |
| cubezzz | lots of greens, lots of veggies | Apr 08 04:51 |
| cubezzz | no soda pop :) | Apr 08 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | DeadSuperHero: It's to get you to add a few pounds (of stomach contents) before they weigh you | Apr 08 04:51 |
| DeadSuperHero | D'oh. | Apr 08 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | helps them weed out the corner cases that are almost too heavy | Apr 08 04:51 |
| DeadSuperHero | Well, looks like I ought to lose a few extra pounds to even it out. | Apr 08 04:52 |
| cubezzz | better shoot for 175 :) | Apr 08 04:52 |
| DeadSuperHero | I'm on the edge of 185ish | Apr 08 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | you don't have to eat, you'll just be in a REAL bad mood all day | Apr 08 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | it's already not fun | Apr 08 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | I failed the physical actually | Apr 08 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | not because of weight or anything | Apr 08 04:53 |
| DeadSuperHero | Maybe I should just do a little extra exercise this week before I head up. | Apr 08 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | I did fine on ASVAB | Apr 08 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | my hearing and eyesight are great | Apr 08 04:53 |
| DeadSuperHero | I did great on the ASVAB. Got an 89. | Apr 08 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | my MOS was going to be Military Police | Apr 08 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | so the recruiter is dicking me around even after I failed the physical | Apr 08 04:54 |
| DeadSuperHero | Ugh. | Apr 08 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | trying to tell me to keep at it and he can help me fudge things | Apr 08 04:54 |
| DeadSuperHero | My recruiter took forever to get me a slot to even go up to MEPS. | Apr 08 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | and I have my GED, and at that time the active army wasn't taking them | Apr 08 04:55 |
| DeadSuperHero | It's like they seriously don't care if you get in or not. | Apr 08 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | so he wanted me to sign up for the National Guard | Apr 08 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | I guess I would have been full time after the Iraq War started :P | Apr 08 04:55 |
| DeadSuperHero | Crazy. | Apr 08 04:56 |
| DeadSuperHero | Brb, I gotta switch computers. | Apr 08 04:56 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] James Gannon Presentation – Copyright Viewed By A Lawyer – Correct Legally But Wrong – Part 3 http://bit.ly/a2gurD | Apr 08 05:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @Tosfm fingernails &toenails pulled out @ Guantanamo &almost drowned http://bit.ly/c6uzGT /as arbitrary&cruel as the Inquisition #torture | Apr 08 06:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #KFC Double Down "A sandwich for people who don't have time for bread or uninterrupted blood flow" http://bit.ly/aMayJa #obesity #diet #sick | Apr 08 07:00 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/27698062 "@schestowitz BINGO. useless to demand "open source" when msft already has their own version of it" | Apr 08 08:10 |
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| schestowitz | yes, assimilation tactics | Apr 08 08:10 |
| DaemonFC | I am Dyslexic of Borg, fusistance is retile, your ass will be laminated. | Apr 08 08:14 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 08 08:14 |
| schestowitz | Heh. "yaaawwwn" > http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/44348 | Apr 08 08:17 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.lockergnome.com/theoracle/2010/04/06/is-oracle-quietly-killing-open-office/ | Apr 08 08:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/dnf-duke-nukem-forever-screenshots-3drealms-duke-nukem,10091.html | Apr 08 08:25 |
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| schestowitz | However, for the final release, we will use Google as the default | Apr 08 08:27 |
| schestowitz | provider. I have asked the Ubuntu Desktop team to change the default | Apr 08 08:27 |
| schestowitz | back to Google as soon as reasonably possible, but certainly by final | Apr 08 08:27 |
| schestowitz | freeze on April 15th. | Apr 08 08:27 |
| schestowitz | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-April/030589.html | Apr 08 08:27 |
| schestowitz | Yay!! | Apr 08 08:27 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu dumps #Microsoft for search https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-April/030589.html thanks, #Canonical !! | Apr 08 08:28 | |
| cubezzz | switching to wordpress now | Apr 08 08:32 |
| cubezzz | goodbye blogger | Apr 08 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd1oA47Ti0I&feature=related | Apr 08 08:32 |
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| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 08 08:32 |
| cubezzz | no more stupid ftp errors | Apr 08 08:33 |
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| sebsebseb | Hi | Apr 08 08:36 |
| DaemonFC | I should get a jacket with the Confederate battle flag on it | Apr 08 08:36 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: cool | Apr 08 08:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Purported hack brings Linux back to the PS3 http://ur1.ca/u1f0 First nightingale, not this :-) good news day | Apr 08 08:36 | |
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| DaemonFC | just because lots of people see it like the Germans see Nazi paraphernalia | Apr 08 08:37 |
| DaemonFC | an I think it's funny to piss people off | Apr 08 08:37 |
| DaemonFC | http://unitedstatesamericanflags.com/images/battle_flag_1024x768.gif | Apr 08 08:38 |
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| DaemonFC | they must not have planned on adding any states | Apr 08 08:38 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 08 08:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why is Matt Asay still promoting proprietary software? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-20001943-16.html | Apr 08 08:40 | |
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| DaemonFC | considering that their plan was to march north, defeat the Union Army, sack Washington D.C., and beat an unconditional surrender out of the USA | Apr 08 08:40 |
| DaemonFC | you'd think they would have planned to modify their flag... | Apr 08 08:41 |
| DaemonFC | I should post an open letter to the Governor of Virginia | Apr 08 08:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.jimmyburnett.com/2010/04/ubuntu-10-04-review-bleh.html | Apr 08 08:41 |
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| DaemonFC | "Let us take this month to celebrate the south getting the everloving piss beaten out of them by the Union Army, including the Indiana Militia, including a batallian of black Indiana solders. Fuck you. Sincerely, Ryan Farmer" | Apr 08 08:42 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 08 08:42 |
| DaemonFC | how's that sound? | Apr 08 08:43 |
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| DaemonFC | PS: Your two pitiful incursions into the state of Indiana had your soldiers running for their lives and screaming for their mothers. :) | Apr 08 08:44 |
| schestowitz | Ryan, you are being radicalised | Apr 08 08:47 |
| schestowitz | Stay away from militias | Apr 08 08:48 |
| schestowitz | And get rid of that gun | Apr 08 08:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.junauza.com/2010/04/create-cool-ascii-text-banners-from.html | Apr 08 08:49 |
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| schestowitz | Did you notice how quiet jono is? | Apr 08 08:49 |
| schestowitz | I reckon he's coding | Apr 08 08:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @pedromelo: Best-practices are good; breast-practices are better | Apr 08 08:50 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The Indiana Militia became the Indiana National Guard | Apr 08 09:00 |
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| DaemonFC | what did you think I was referring to? | Apr 08 09:00 |
| DaemonFC | there's also a State Defense Force that answers only to the governor | Apr 08 09:00 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana's State Defense Force is called up to help deal with things like natural disasters or riot control that would normally be the National Guard's job, if the National Guard is activated by the federal government | Apr 08 09:02 |
| DaemonFC | otherwise the governor is in charge of our National Guard as well | Apr 08 09:02 |
| DaemonFC | and since the Posse Comitatus Act applies only to the federal government, the state is well within its right to mobilize the National Guard to use as law enforcement | Apr 08 09:03 |
| DaemonFC | the feds can't do that though | Apr 08 09:03 |
| schestowitz | http://1-million-tux.linux-befehle.org/index3w.php | Apr 08 09:05 |
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| DaemonFC | Bush tried to effectively repeal the Posse Comitatus Act in 2006, schestowitz | Apr 08 09:06 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: well, if China ever invades, I'm sure you cowboys will fight back | Apr 08 09:06 |
| DaemonFC | but in 2008, the Democrats slipped the original wording back in | Apr 08 09:06 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Apr 08 09:06 |
| DaemonFC | I'll bag a few of them if the opportunity presents itself | Apr 08 09:06 |
| DaemonFC | why not? it beats dying in a summary execution by the new Chinese overlords if they win, right? | Apr 08 09:07 |
| DaemonFC | They don't strike me as the kind to stop and take prisoners before they advance. | Apr 08 09:07 |
| schestowitz | I guess | Apr 08 09:07 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/27683922#notice-27721311 "@schestowitz so the Yahoo/Canonical deal has dies" | Apr 08 09:08 |
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| DaemonFC | given this, would it not be preferable to at least take one or two of them with me? | Apr 08 09:08 |
| schestowitz | @jwildeboer see if you can find out. PR reasons? MarkS? Yahoo! problems? OpenOffice.org 'burial' fiasco? | Apr 08 09:09 |
| DaemonFC | I don't suspect there would be an all out invasion | Apr 08 09:09 |
| DaemonFC | I don't care what our stated policy is, if there were to be an all out invasion, we would nuke them. | Apr 08 09:09 |
| DaemonFC | Chinese invasion will be Taiwan before anyone else | Apr 08 09:10 |
| DaemonFC | I can guarantee that we would disregard our promise to back them up | Apr 08 09:11 |
| DaemonFC | especially with Obama in office | Apr 08 09:11 |
| DaemonFC | he'd be more likely to try and appease them | Apr 08 09:11 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: He's kind of the Neville Chamberlain of the United States | Apr 08 09:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-eyes-prize3-2010apr03,0,4902711.story | Apr 08 09:18 |
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| schestowitz | Rosa Parks | Apr 08 09:18 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: no, he's not | Apr 08 09:19 |
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| DaemonFC | appeasement of enemies as they expand and gear up their ability to make war | Apr 08 09:21 |
| DaemonFC | sign treaties with no enforcement mechanism on the other guy | Apr 08 09:21 |
| DaemonFC | Russia could violate the hell out of that treaty and we'd never know | Apr 08 09:21 |
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| DaemonFC | it looks good for a PR stunt | Apr 08 09:21 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-20001839-92.html | Apr 08 09:26 |
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| schestowitz | I have CA, so this is good | Apr 08 09:27 |
| schestowitz | THey also have fraud issues, Microsoft connections | Apr 08 09:27 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://reason.com/archives/2010/04/06/the-914-presidency | Apr 08 09:28 |
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| schestowitz | "@schestowitz shows Canonical is disorganised IMHO. First announce, now pull back with no real reason. Can you rely on them?" http://identi.ca/conversation/27686887#notice-27725200 | Apr 08 09:30 |
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| schestowitz | He's from Fedora | Apr 08 09:30 |
| schestowitz | So conflict of interests | Apr 08 09:30 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Ctrl+Space in gedit , #trick http://post.ly/YhgA | Apr 08 09:36 | |
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| schestowitz | http://arebentisch.wordpress.com/2010/04/08/publicacta-wellington-hearing/ | Apr 08 09:40 |
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| schestowitz | For his next trick, Mr. Zemlin will do a trick for IBM. http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/blogs/browse/2010/04/ibm%E2%80%99s-open-source-patent-pledge | Apr 08 10:01 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] You may feel as if your friends and co-workers are turning you... More for Aquarius http://twittascope.com/?sign=11 | Apr 08 10:13 | |
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| schestowitz | http://digital.venturebeat.com/2010/03/30/orange-openx/ | Apr 08 10:14 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Clause 18 of the DEB removed? – And its different because…..? http://tinyurl.com/yd5l4zp #tpb | Apr 08 10:21 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Clause 18 of the DEB removed? And its different because&..? « OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 32.51 KB | Apr 08 10:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/what-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-1004.html | Apr 08 10:31 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @_goblin Clause 18 of the DEB removed? – And its different because…..? http://tinyurl.com/yd5l4zp #tpb | Apr 08 10:32 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/opinion/poisoned-apple/ | Apr 08 10:34 |
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| schestowitz | The cartels will give the hypePad coverage cause it's all DRM and tolls | Apr 08 10:34 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] RT @mdz: The story of an Ubuntu bug report, in numbers: http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2010/04/08/a-story-in-numbers/ | Apr 08 10:44 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: A story in numbers « We'll see | Matt Zimmerman .::. Size~: 22.89 KB | Apr 08 10:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Pays for the Media Industry to have MP's as employees with a vote in Parliament http://tinyurl.com/yhzbqc2 | Apr 08 10:48 | |
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| cubezzz | ok, I'm now at http://cubexyz.blogspot.com/ | Apr 08 10:49 |
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| cubezzz | ftp is not supported any more | Apr 08 10:51 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Search-Engines/Apple-May-Build-a-Search-Engine-to-Shield-iPhone-Data-From-Google-705980/ | Apr 08 10:57 |
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| cubezzz | anyways, if my server dies, the blog will live on | Apr 08 10:58 |
| cubezzz | I guess it's safer | Apr 08 10:58 |
| cubezzz | google says that ISPs are doing weird things to try to make ftp more secure which has basically made ftp almost unusable | Apr 08 10:59 |
| cubezzz | which is odd because anytime I'm using ftp for non blog stuff I don't have any problems | Apr 08 11:00 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz maybe @mjasay will blog about the howabouts? I would expect it." http://identi.ca/conversation/27688789#notice-27726278 | Apr 08 11:00 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: maybe people move off blogger/blogspot | Apr 08 11:00 |
| schestowitz | *many | Apr 08 11:00 |
| cubezzz | yeah | Apr 08 11:01 |
| cubezzz | I will too someday | Apr 08 11:01 |
| cubezzz | this is a stop-gap measure | Apr 08 11:01 |
| cubezzz | I couldn't run new wordpress because my mysql is too old | Apr 08 11:02 |
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| oiaohm | Great one of the local computer groups I deal with is now to the size they need a mailing list server. | Apr 08 11:05 |
| oiaohm | Mailing out to members is starting to get them banned from emailing to particular servers. | Apr 08 11:05 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | Apr 08 11:07 |
| oiaohm | Some don't like getting emails intended for 200 people plus cubezzz | Apr 08 11:08 |
| oiaohm | And I do mean Plus. | Apr 08 11:08 |
| cubezzz | it's almost at the point now where mailing lists are passé | Apr 08 11:08 |
| cubezzz | so many problems to deal with | Apr 08 11:09 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: schestowitz http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/04/ubuntu-1004-drops-yahoo-will-use-google.html | Apr 08 11:09 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Hearing on Anti-Citizen Tyranny Agreement (ACTA) http://boycottnovell.com/2010/04/08/actahearing/ #acta | Apr 08 11:09 | |
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| oiaohm | cubezzz: I know but the club has 400 + people who want email reminders. | Apr 08 11:09 |
| cubezzz | probably better to go with a forum though | Apr 08 11:09 |
| oiaohm | They have a forum. | Apr 08 11:10 |
| oiaohm | They have shared calanders. | Apr 08 11:10 |
| cubezzz | why do they need email reminders? | Apr 08 11:10 |
| oiaohm | Note 400 is not the complete list of members either. | Apr 08 11:10 |
| oiaohm | Since bing infected yahoo using yahoo to look up ubuntu problems is not exactly that useful. sebsebseb | Apr 08 11:12 |
| oiaohm | Nothing supprising about the change back to google. sebsebseb | Apr 08 11:12 |
| sebsebseb | well no I guess not after all this buttons stuff | Apr 08 11:12 |
| sebsebseb | however people mainly complained about that instead of the Yahoo deal | Apr 08 11:12 |
| cubezzz | please tell me yahoo doesn't use windows server | Apr 08 11:13 |
| oiaohm | Be aware this club has a lot of people over 60 too cubezzz there memory is not always what you call great. | Apr 08 11:13 |
| oiaohm | Not yet cubezzz | Apr 08 11:13 |
| oiaohm | Not yet to the windows server question. | Apr 08 11:13 |
| cubezzz | ah well they haven't been totally corrupted then | Apr 08 11:14 |
| cubezzz | does that mean that yahoo and microsoft are on the outs? | Apr 08 11:18 |
| cubezzz | yahoo could die even | Apr 08 11:22 |
| cubezzz | their stock fell below $9 per share but now it's back up to 16.78 | Apr 08 11:23 |
| oiaohm | Yahoo has always been one of the lead servers on freebsd | Apr 08 11:29 |
| oiaohm | Ie Linux world really will not notice Yahoo disappear. | Apr 08 11:30 |
| oiaohm | BSD might. | Apr 08 11:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Zoiks Just noticed a big fat Oracle logo when I start OpenOffice.org on Ubuntu Lucid. Doing a good job of eradicating the Sun name there. | Apr 08 11:30 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] support Libel Reform Campaign http://libelreform.org/index.php | Apr 08 11:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @mparent77772 #Israel launches ground incursion into #Gaza Strip http://bit.ly/aZTh78 #gaza // what, again?! #war | Apr 08 12:00 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @gmwatch @civileater "How did we get to frightening point where 1 Co [controls] most of what we eat?" http://bit.ly/b3NLxK #Monsanto #gmo | Apr 08 12:03 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA hearing was hijacked by ebay propaganda and self promotion from ebay. For shame. | Apr 08 12:09 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right, off to work...same old, same old.... | Apr 08 12:12 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ebay is spouting out a lot of "piracy" and other propaganda terms. I'll remember to avoid ebay | Apr 08 12:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Ubuntu 10.04 drops Yahoo search as default http://is.gd/bjVVL | Apr 08 12:29 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] US broadband plan falls into chaos, two tier system more likely. http://is.gd/bjWQE | Apr 08 12:45 | |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Apr 08 12:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Digital economy bill exposes broken system. http://is.gd/bjXod | Apr 08 12:55 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@WesBEnterprise #abstinence from #drugs is not analogous to abstinence from #sex...almost too obvious to need pointing out. @NewsHoundEllen | Apr 08 12:55 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Digital economy bill exposes broken system | James Graham |Comment is free |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 204.95 KB | Apr 08 12:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Top 5 Firefox addons that enhance your web experience: http://bit.ly/ag9rfI via @addthis | Apr 08 12:56 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@wesbenterprise RW position "#abstinence instead of education& #contraception" is not only selfdefeating; in Palins' case, disingenuous too | Apr 08 12:57 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "SKYSCRAPERS declared the answer to #Melbourne's urban sprawl by 2 leading developers"...Quelle Surprise! via @rewealth http://bit.ly/aCPeNp | Apr 08 13:00 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] The Grollo boys better learn to build skyscrapers that don't tilt over, before building more. #Rialto becoming #Melbourne's Leaning Tower | Apr 08 13:01 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @_Goblin just tried that similarweb add on from your link it looks useful | Apr 08 13:25 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] @_Goblin Horse Manure. OK, thanks for the article idea :) | Apr 08 13:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Any body want to code remaining part - क ख ग http://code.google.com/p/kakhaga #code #hindi #olpc | Apr 08 14:12 | |
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| oiaohm | Darn defective computer cases. I have been racking my brians why this one computer would sometime reboot by it self and not others. | Apr 08 15:16 |
| oiaohm | Reset button plastic cover bit is slightly defective. And the Reset button is too touch sentive so when the plasic cover is in one location it resets self with even the most slight vibration. | Apr 08 15:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Israeli gagging order on ex-soldier case condemned http://is.gd/bk8P1 #palestine #occupation #israel | Apr 08 15:37 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/27702787#notice-27743016 "@schestowitz well, fuck ebay. now, who was the other one i said that about? (searching) oh! lol, it's ebay! http://identi.ca/notice/25489317" | Apr 08 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | @openuniverse I've used ebay for anything since 2003 | Apr 08 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100408 | Apr 08 16:12 |
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| Diablo-D3 | um, neat? | Apr 08 16:12 |
| *Diablo-D3 doesnt live in germany | Apr 08 16:12 | |
| schestowitz | There's a new Debian derivative without Mono | Apr 08 16:12 |
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| schestowitz | Its developer mailed me last night | Apr 08 16:13 |
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| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: debian doesnt defaultly install mono | Apr 08 16:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | so its not a huge issue | Apr 08 16:13 |
| neighborlee | Doesn't one of the gnome debian installments do that | Apr 08 16:13 |
| schestowitz | It defaults to gnome as de | Apr 08 16:13 |
| Eruaran | Why does everyone think Songbird is so great? I tried it out and after spending an evening with it I think I'd rather stick a drill in my head. | Apr 08 16:14 |
| schestowitz | I know debian devs who want to move to kde4 | Apr 08 16:14 |
| schestowitz | No xfce though, which Diablo-D3 prefers | Apr 08 16:14 |
| neighborlee | not to mention the debocle debian women was..I m still in shock that ever happened considering what oss is supposed to mean to 'everyone' | Apr 08 16:14 |
| schestowitz | KDE comes with good asssociated applications like kate | Apr 08 16:14 |
| schestowitz | amarok | Apr 08 16:14 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: there's a fork of songbird | Apr 08 16:15 |
| schestowitz | Nighteingale | Apr 08 16:15 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz, that would make a lot of sense given the current climate ;) | Apr 08 16:15 |
| schestowitz | Spread the word, they need more devs | Apr 08 16:15 |
| neighborlee | and the new license ;) | Apr 08 16:15 |
| schestowitz | *tingale | Apr 08 16:15 |
| Eruaran | schestowitz: That's the first I've heard of it | Apr 08 16:15 |
| schestowitz | it's Linux-focused (first-class treatment) | Apr 08 16:16 |
| schestowitz | If Mozilla neglects Firefox, people might move to gnuzilla/cat and put effort into that (Linux-only) | Apr 08 16:16 |
| schestowitz | MPL is not restrictive past the trademarks | Apr 08 16:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.mandriva.com/enterprise/en/company/press/mandriva-announces-arnaud-laprevote-as-ceo | Apr 08 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | Not a great sign | Apr 08 16:17 |
| schestowitz | I'll ask beranger for any thoughts on Mandriva's new CEO (changed again) | Apr 08 16:20 |
| neighborlee | IF they neglect firefox ? | Apr 08 16:23 |
| neighborlee | i'd say if they fix it | Apr 08 16:23 |
| neighborlee | I and a friend are not happy at all with FF | Apr 08 16:23 |
| neighborlee | not my choice,,but proof is in pudding | Apr 08 16:24 |
| neighborlee | and im very angry that for so long ive used a free oss browswer that has hampered my browsing experience | Apr 08 16:24 |
| neighborlee | ok not angry thats harsh LOL | Apr 08 16:24 |
| neighborlee | 'frustrated' works ;) | Apr 08 16:24 |
| neighborlee | i'd try going to most blenderartist pages, and have nasty slow laggy scroll bar movement ..install opera and problem goes away entirely, same for all other web pages where I had that problem | Apr 08 16:25 |
| neighborlee | go fig | Apr 08 16:25 |
| neighborlee | I asked online at #firefox many times...never an answer. | Apr 08 16:26 |
| neighborlee | speaks volumnes | Apr 08 16:26 |
| neighborlee | OH well | Apr 08 16:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] uk party leader spouses all over election, this reality television mentality ends up with people like arnold elected as californian governor | Apr 08 16:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Congrats to the brilliant Timothy B. Lee, who joins #Google http://timothyblee.com/2010/04/07/google-bound/ | Apr 08 16:26 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] The UK passed the Digital Economy Bill, will probably lead to economic collapse in the UK http://ur1.ca/tzy1 #douchebags | Apr 08 16:28 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8992 | Apr 08 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | Wikileaks again | Apr 08 16:39 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: yeah | Apr 08 16:39 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla does not pay so much attention to GNU/Linux, since a while back | Apr 08 16:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] In the minds of IDG writers, Richard Stallman is "Open source campaigner" http://ur1.ca/u44u #fsf #gnu | Apr 08 16:39 | |
| schestowitz | Most of their users are running Winodws | Apr 08 16:39 |
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| neighborlee | heh well | Apr 08 16:40 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz, actually this was a windows issue since I've not been able to run linux/bsd yet until I make my HD ready for it..ive just been too busy | Apr 08 16:41 |
| neighborlee | but yeah I know what your saying about that too ive seen it | Apr 08 16:41 |
| neighborlee | like the autoupdater...dont recall for sure but I dont think it works in linux | Apr 08 16:41 |
| neighborlee | but that was a while ago not sure about now | Apr 08 16:42 |
| neighborlee | yeah also,,that prwatch article is sad | Apr 08 16:42 |
| Eruaran | I have found Chromium nicer to use on my KDE desktop rather than Firefox in recent times. | Apr 08 16:44 |
| Eruaran | Lighter, smoother... | Apr 08 16:44 |
| neighborlee | I have chrome and its nice yup | Apr 08 16:45 |
| Eruaran | Firefox feels clunky compared | Apr 08 16:45 |
| neighborlee | I dont however like how default behavior creates temporary find window, and that it goes away simply by browsing to a new website | Apr 08 16:45 |
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| Omar87 | Peace, folks! :) | Apr 08 16:45 |
| Eruaran | Hello Omar87 | Apr 08 16:46 |
| neighborlee | peace man o_0 | Apr 08 16:46 |
| Omar87 | Eruaran, hey! 'sup? | Apr 08 16:46 |
| Omar87 | neighborlee, oh, hi! :) | Apr 08 16:47 |
| neighborlee | heh | Apr 08 16:47 |
| schestowitz | roy@roy:~$ apt-get install chromium | Apr 08 16:47 |
| schestowitz | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) | Apr 08 16:47 |
| Omar87 | Did you guys hear the news? | Apr 08 16:47 |
| schestowitz | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? | Apr 08 16:47 |
| schestowitz | roy@roy:~$ sudo apt-get install chromium | Apr 08 16:47 |
| schestowitz | [sudo] password for roy: | Apr 08 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Reading package lists... Done | Apr 08 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Building dependency tree | Apr 08 16:48 |
| schestowitz | Which news? | Apr 08 16:48 |
| Omar87 | Ubunty 10.04 will bring Google back as the default search engine. | Apr 08 16:48 |
| Eruaran | Got a link? | Apr 08 16:49 |
| schestowitz | chromium-bsu??? | Apr 08 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Wtf? | Apr 08 16:49 |
| neighborlee | what was the search engine before o_0 | Apr 08 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Did I just install a computer game? | Apr 08 16:49 |
| neighborlee | sounds like it | Apr 08 16:50 |
| neighborlee | great game though dude | Apr 08 16:50 |
| neighborlee | o_0 | Apr 08 16:50 |
| neighborlee | hard , but good- | Apr 08 16:50 |
| neighborlee | http://www.reptilelabour.com/software/chromium/ | Apr 08 16:50 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: [ c h r o m i u m B.S.U. ] .::. Size~: 7.52 KB | Apr 08 16:50 |
| neighborlee | :) | Apr 08 16:50 |
| schestowitz | it's a lame game | Apr 08 16:50 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, I want to avoid Chrome | Apr 08 16:51 |
| neighborlee | well its another clone type game yes...aren't they all at end of day...ymmv | Apr 08 16:51 |
| schestowitz | I don't like/trust it | Apr 08 16:51 |
| neighborlee | I install it for testing , thats about it atm | Apr 08 16:51 |
| Omar87 | Eruaran, sure. One sec. | Apr 08 16:52 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: it's just a space craft pulling birds (penguins/mammals) | Apr 08 16:52 |
| neighborlee | ok | Apr 08 16:52 |
| Eruaran | Amarok's equalizer presets are rather good | Apr 08 16:53 |
| Omar87 | Eruaran: Here, catch. http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/ubuntu-1004-switches-back-to-google-as.html | Apr 08 16:53 |
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| Eruaran | thanks Omar87 | Apr 08 16:53 |
| Omar87 | Eruaran, anytime. :) | Apr 08 16:54 |
| *Eruaran is listening to Pangaea by The Church on Untitled #23 [Amarok2] | Apr 08 16:59 | |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: what does it look like when a big drug dealer washes his money and reputation by establishing a Pharmaceuticals company?. | Apr 08 17:00 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] crap, i committed the code in wrong branch #git how to fix it? | Apr 08 17:03 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] RT @bataleh, @iRevoltk, @abuyazan Today is the 7th anvrsry of AlJazeera Correspondent & Jouranalist #TariqAyyoub's death killed n Baghdad | Apr 08 17:19 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Making Programming Easier For Kids With PyJunior - http://is.gd/bkheZ #python #opportunisticdevelopers | Apr 08 17:20 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Today marks the 7'th annvrsry of the death of correspondent #TariqAyyub. May Allah have mercy upon his soul and punish those who killed him. | Apr 08 17:23 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.mbetv.com/shocking-declarations-made-by-prime-minister-bellerive-about-the-presence-of-gold-oil-iridium-in-haiti | Apr 08 17:25 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: got any names? | Apr 08 17:25 |
| schestowitz | drugs->pharma | Apr 08 17:25 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, no. It's just an analogy. Bill Gates is exactly like that. | Apr 08 17:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/06/great-barrier-reef-ship-aground | Apr 08 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: yes, some friends today annoyed me about it | Apr 08 17:27 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, though I still don't see how it can't be possible that one of these pharmaceuticals companies is run by the mafia. :) | Apr 08 17:27 |
| schestowitz | They think the TIme is more than just business for business | Apr 08 17:27 |
| schestowitz | So they mentioned his listing there along with Bono | Apr 08 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Man of century *LOL* | Apr 08 17:27 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Bono? | Apr 08 17:28 |
| schestowitz | The same man grilled for violations of the law | Apr 08 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: no mafia, no | Apr 08 17:28 |
| schestowitz | They are old companies | Apr 08 17:28 |
| schestowitz | They just have their centre of huge power | Apr 08 17:28 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, why not? | Apr 08 17:28 |
| Eruaran | Bono is a Mac user. | Apr 08 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Lobbyists, price fixing, intimidation of academics like myself, bribery, etc. | Apr 08 17:28 |
| Eruaran | ;) | Apr 08 17:29 |
| schestowitz | These are gangsters in white coats | Apr 08 17:29 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, exactly! The Labcoat Mafia! :D | Apr 08 17:29 |
| Eruaran | Sounds like the climate change guys | Apr 08 17:29 |
| Eruaran | "Consensus science" | Apr 08 17:30 |
| schestowitz | We need to nationalise pharma | Apr 08 17:30 |
| schestowitz | It's the only way to do right | Apr 08 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Rather than people paying for insurance they can fund drug research | Apr 08 17:30 |
| schestowitz | No marketing BS, no lies, no margins | Apr 08 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Production costs are about 40% | Apr 08 17:30 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about it last year, I can't recall the exaxt figures | Apr 08 17:31 |
| schestowitz | We could make malaria and HIV treatment abundant | Apr 08 17:31 |
| schestowitz | But Big Pharma is most in the US, where you can't even be treated if you collapse like daemonFOX did | Apr 08 17:31 |
| satipera | yes they have to treat you but only enough to stabalise you and get you home safely | Apr 08 17:32 |
| satipera | ongoing care not covered unless insured | Apr 08 17:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=propagNDA%20AND%20mediatype%3Amovies | Apr 08 17:33 |
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| schestowitz | I can't find that NHS video from the 1940d | Apr 08 17:33 |
| schestowitz | 1940s propaganda | Apr 08 17:33 |
| schestowitz | satipera: not just that, they can have you indebted for emergency treatment | Apr 08 17:34 |
| satipera | I did not realise this how does that work | Apr 08 17:34 |
| schestowitz | You don't get to give consent if you pass out | Apr 08 17:34 |
| schestowitz | They serve the bill later | Apr 08 17:34 |
| satipera | I thought it was done at public expense | Apr 08 17:35 |
| schestowitz | satipera: the pharma make wrinkles creams and stuff | Apr 08 17:35 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, the worst part of it is when poor people can't afford to buy a single pill of that medicine that they need so much. | Apr 08 17:35 |
| Eruaran | "this notion of consensus, and the rise of what has been called consensus science. I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or | Apr 08 17:35 |
| Eruaran | other, reach for your wallet, because you're being had." - Michael Crichton, Caltech Michelin Lecture 2003. | Apr 08 17:35 |
| schestowitz | And they seem to give priority to plastic surgery | Apr 08 17:35 |
| schestowitz | It's all about what makes the most money | Apr 08 17:35 |
| schestowitz | They are private companies | Apr 08 17:35 |
| schestowitz | There to serve shareholder, not the public | Apr 08 17:35 |
| neighborlee | its not just that ...many wont even GO to er room for fear of being labeled just someone seeking a 'handout' | Apr 08 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Drugs for dying Africans=not profitable | Apr 08 17:35 |
| schestowitz | I have a friend who's a heart surgeon and he's moving into plastic | Apr 08 17:36 |
| schestowitz | More money | Apr 08 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Never mind what saves lives... | Apr 08 17:36 |
| neighborlee | and do you get the best care possible in er, if its not a major emergency compared to those who have insurance ( though insurance is also a joke atm) | Apr 08 17:36 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, when a poor child dies of cancer for the mere reason that his family couldn't afford to treat him. | Apr 08 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Or bring him to a doctor | Apr 08 17:37 |
| satipera | The site of poor americans dragging their oxygen cylinders with them to the er room is not one i will forget | Apr 08 17:37 |
| schestowitz | My friend Craig was shocked when he was in the States seeing the health system | Apr 08 17:37 |
| schestowitz | A friend of his had her son die from dental issues | Apr 08 17:37 |
| satipera | (for free emergency only treatment)( | Apr 08 17:38 |
| schestowitz | Cause she couldn't afford to treat it and it spread to his brain and killed him needlessly | Apr 08 17:38 |
| Eruaran | I wonder what someone commits to seven years or more of medical training bothered for if in the end they just end up using their training doing cosmetic surgery for people with more money than sense. | Apr 08 17:38 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: yeah, I told him | Apr 08 17:38 |
| Eruaran | Might as well go and be an accountant or something | Apr 08 17:39 |
| schestowitz | He's jealous of his colleagues who make more money moving fat around | Apr 08 17:39 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, those huge capitalistic Darth Vaders want to soak everything with so-called "Patents" and send everyone to hell. | Apr 08 17:39 |
| schestowitz | People with heart disease are often poverty-stricken | Apr 08 17:39 |
| satipera | 20/20 ipl cricket, exciting and enthralling ruined by advert breaks every 5 minutes on itv | Apr 08 17:39 |
| schestowitz | http://site.pfaw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=textbooks&autologin=true | Apr 08 17:40 |
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| Eruaran | Jelous of people who waste their training and talent on what is a waste of medical resources... | Apr 08 17:40 |
| neighborlee | society is never going to get anywhere, as long as we have a system in place that rewards monitarly instead of on merit,,the merit of keeping people healthy not just because they can afford it or we can take their money, but because as sentient beings who acknowledge gods gift to us all, - that we have equal rights/access to basic human needs..and that not enough of us GETS that atm is a sad sad comentary on our species ;) | Apr 08 17:40 |
| schestowitz | "The Texas State Board of Education traditionally has tremendous power in determining the content of textbooks not only for Texas students but for students across the U.S. Texas reviews and adapts textbook standards for the major subjects every six years, and because of the size of the state's market, textbook publishers often print books consistent with the Texas standards." | Apr 08 17:40 |
| neighborlee | yes heard that on cnn a month or so ago | Apr 08 17:41 |
| schestowitz | What's printed in the huge state of Texas can become standards elsewhere (expansion of ignorance) | Apr 08 17:41 |
| satipera | a lot of us patients would be much better off in cuba | Apr 08 17:41 |
| schestowitz | [17:40] <Eruaran> Jelous of people who waste their training and talent on what is a waste of medical resources... | Apr 08 17:41 |
| Eruaran | I think I've gained a bit more insight into what's happening in the US over health care recently | Apr 08 17:41 |
| schestowitz | Making people feel less attractive | Apr 08 17:41 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, after that, they will come back again and turn the rest of humanity into sheep in the barn of "Philanthropy". "You once starved you to death and now we'll be sprinkling corn flakes at you!" | Apr 08 17:41 |
| schestowitz | Breeding a race of "cosmetically-enhanced" people | Apr 08 17:41 |
| schestowitz | I reckon bracers are bad enough | Apr 08 17:42 |
| neighborlee | yeah what a great prize of standards ?? lol--the state that wants to secede from union ?<yeah right> | Apr 08 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Like 80% of kids have teeth that are defective by design | Apr 08 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Because we change the standards | Apr 08 17:42 |
| Eruaran | I had braces | Apr 08 17:42 |
| Eruaran | in my teens | Apr 08 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Artificially, not even adaptable in genome | Apr 08 17:42 |
| Eruaran | A few years later in my early 20's I knocked them out in a car accident | Apr 08 17:42 |
| Eruaran | :P | Apr 08 17:42 |
| schestowitz | What's next? | Apr 08 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Nose job to each kid? | Apr 08 17:42 |
| neighborlee | Eruaran, OUCHHHH | Apr 08 17:42 |
| schestowitz | It clogs up medical talent | Apr 08 17:43 |
| schestowitz | They should cure teeth problems, not move teeth around | Apr 08 17:43 |
| satipera | cosmetic medicine is preying on peoples insecurities mainly | Apr 08 17:43 |
| satipera | luckily i look perfect :) | Apr 08 17:43 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz, well given enough time they will I suppose | Apr 08 17:43 |
| neighborlee | just target the righ gene ;) | Apr 08 17:44 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: then breast implants | Apr 08 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Then they'll just wear gloves and design the kid in the fetus | Apr 08 17:44 |
| Eruaran | The result is that more important things don't get any cheaper | Apr 08 17:44 |
| neighborlee | lol | Apr 08 17:44 |
| neighborlee | eek | Apr 08 17:44 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, actually what brought this subject to my mind was the article you wrote yesterday about Bill Gate's philanthropy scam. | Apr 08 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Knuth, Don: "If you optimize everything, you will always be unhappy." | Apr 08 17:45 |
| Eruaran | I suddently have an urge to create a picture of a foetus or newborn with borg bits on their heads... | Apr 08 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: it's not philanthropy, it's philanthro-capitalism | Apr 08 17:45 |
| satipera | borg is what i was thinking about | Apr 08 17:45 |
| satipera | it has already started | Apr 08 17:46 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, exactly. That's also what I believe. | Apr 08 17:46 |
| schestowitz | It's not a Gates issue | Apr 08 17:46 |
| schestowitz | There are many fake charities | Apr 08 17:46 |
| schestowitz | They find ways of making money | Apr 08 17:46 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, that's correct. | Apr 08 17:46 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz, as if that would shock anyone ;) | Apr 08 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Not pure scams | Apr 08 17:46 |
| Omar87 | Brb | Apr 08 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Things like tax exemptions | Apr 08 17:46 |
| Eruaran | People believe the shallow magazine nonsense they see on television | Apr 08 17:47 |
| Eruaran | They don't look further | Apr 08 17:47 |
| satipera | or private schools for tax exemption | Apr 08 17:47 |
| schestowitz | http://skeptoid.com/audio/skeptoid-4114.mp3 | Apr 08 17:47 |
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| satipera | a tax break for the rich parents | Apr 08 17:47 |
| schestowitz | "Charitable foundations run by celebrities, professional athletes, and even major companies are often just tax shelters, for whom they are their own largest contributors, and are legally required to donate only a tiny fraction of the money they take in. The rest they get back tax-free after a few years, so be especially careful of celebrity and corporate charities. When a celebrity or athlete donates a large winning to their own | Apr 08 17:47 |
| schestowitz | charity, they may well be a charitable person; but the bottom line is that they don't have to pay taxes on most of that income." | Apr 08 17:47 |
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| satipera | yay replacement for 1200mb hd has arrived, bye bye puppy linux | Apr 08 17:51 |
| Eruaran | Worth reading: http://www.crichton-official.com/speech-alienscauseglobalwarming.html | Apr 08 17:52 |
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| Omar87 | <Eruaran> People believe the shallow magazine nonsense they see on television | Apr 08 17:53 |
| Omar87 | <Eruaran> They don't look further | Apr 08 17:53 |
| Omar87 | Eruaran, I agree. | Apr 08 17:53 |
| Eruaran | If its on the TV, it must be true... | Apr 08 17:53 |
| Eruaran | We live in a society that is largely sedated | Apr 08 17:54 |
| Omar87 | Eruaran, there's a concept that I've learned a while back that says: "Appearance and reality are almost always opposite to each other." | Apr 08 17:54 |
| Eruaran | yes | Apr 08 17:55 |
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| neighborlee | Eruaran, if we use the phiosophy all the time though..then as a 'jouralist' mentality, whom do you take as a solid gold source ? ;) | Apr 08 17:55 |
| neighborlee | solid gold dancers!! | Apr 08 17:55 |
| neighborlee | :) | Apr 08 17:55 |
| Omar87 | Eruaran, or even worse "Indoctrinated", "Mass-hypnotized" or even "Mentally programmed". | Apr 08 17:55 |
| Eruaran | indeed | Apr 08 17:56 |
| satipera | source...someone that you trust rather than usually agree with | Apr 08 17:56 |
| Omar87 | satipera, true. | Apr 08 17:56 |
| Eruaran | Lets put it this way, between someone who says on TV that WTC 7 collapsed because of fires and the eyewitness who says that's a lie, "I was there in the building". I think I'll favour the eyewitness. | Apr 08 17:58 |
| Eruaran | (to clarify: firemen got him out before it collapsed) | Apr 08 18:00 |
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| Omar87 | Eruaran: Yes. Plus, I have a saying about TV in general, which goes like this: "Looking for truth on BBC, CNN or FoxNews is just like seeking nutrition at McDonald's". | Apr 08 18:02 |
| satipera | parliament being dissolved as i type | Apr 08 18:03 |
| satipera | *ant | Apr 08 18:03 |
| satipera | *ent | Apr 08 18:04 |
| Eruaran | Omar87: yes exactly | Apr 08 18:04 |
| Omar87 | These huge news corporations are owned by people who want you to see the world from their own perspective, not for what it really is. | Apr 08 18:05 |
| satipera | bbc is a good starting point to find out what is going on | Apr 08 18:05 |
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| satipera | some of their best journalism is not main stream bbc news | Apr 08 18:06 |
| Omar87 | satipera, BBC should instead be called "BBS". :P | Apr 08 18:06 |
| satipera | S? | Apr 08 18:06 |
| satipera | you have lost me BBS? | Apr 08 18:07 |
| Omar87 | satipera, "BBullS**t". | Apr 08 18:07 |
| satipera | ha ha | Apr 08 18:07 |
| Omar87 | Sorry for the bad language though. | Apr 08 18:07 |
| satipera | bbc are like us ubuntu users we know our place :) | Apr 08 18:08 |
| satipera | "ubuntu... linux for human beings who know their place" | Apr 08 18:08 |
| satipera | seriously, a lot of bbc news is self censored and designed not to upset anyone | Apr 08 18:09 |
| satipera | do you remember when kate adie covered the libyan bombings? she was dragged over hot coals | Apr 08 18:10 |
| Omar87 | satipera, yeah, maybe. But they rarely broadcast the truth as-is without any sort manipulation. | Apr 08 18:10 |
| satipera | one of gaddaffi's kids was killed in that raid | Apr 08 18:11 |
| satipera | I agree, if they reported what the journalists thought it would be the end of the bbc | Apr 08 18:11 |
| Omar87 | sort *of* manipulation. | Apr 08 18:11 |
| satipera | murdoch and the tories have the bbc in their sights as it is | Apr 08 18:12 |
| satipera | the one thing the beeb has in its favour is it is probably the second most popular institution in the uk, windsors apart | Apr 08 18:13 |
| satipera | obviously nhs first | Apr 08 18:13 |
| Omar87 | satipera, have they covered the Gaza bombings last year as is? Or did they add some salt and pepper to the story to justify Israel's blatant violation of Human Rights? | Apr 08 18:14 |
| satipera | most of it was very middle of the road | Apr 08 18:15 |
| satipera | some documentaries were savage about the israeli's | Apr 08 18:15 |
| Omar87 | satipera, can you please name a few? | Apr 08 18:15 |
| satipera | you have to remember the israeli's do not endear themselves to the bbc by shooting some of their staff | Apr 08 18:16 |
| Omar87 | satipera, excuse me? | Apr 08 18:17 |
| satipera | same with the un, they bombed that op staffed by indian soldiers in the lebanon and that op had been on israeli maps for years | Apr 08 18:17 |
| satipera | why? | Apr 08 18:17 |
| satipera | bbc staff have been shot dead by israeli's | Apr 08 18:18 |
| Omar87 | satipera, I mean I didn't understand your previous message [you have to remember the israeli's do not endear themselves..]. | Apr 08 18:18 |
| satipera | see one above | Apr 08 18:19 |
| Omar87 | satipera, same with Reuter's, Algazeera.. etc. | Apr 08 18:19 |
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| satipera | yes especially algazeera | Apr 08 18:19 |
| satipera | they have had their offices bombed | Apr 08 18:19 |
| satipera | it was not a mistake | Apr 08 18:20 |
| Omar87 | satipera, did you see the confidential US military video leaks a couple days ago? | Apr 08 18:20 |
| Omar87 | satipera, no. Sure it wasn't. | Apr 08 18:20 |
| satipera | yes it was horrible | Apr 08 18:20 |
| Omar87 | Very. | Apr 08 18:20 |
| Omar87 | They where shooting these people like some sort of FPS game. | Apr 08 18:21 |
| Omar87 | video* game | Apr 08 18:21 |
| satipera | if that is following protocol there is something wrong with the protocol | Apr 08 18:21 |
| satipera | yes i agree | Apr 08 18:21 |
| schestowitz | [17:54] <Eruaran> We live in a society that is largely sedated | Apr 08 18:22 |
| schestowitz | This relates to a problem we discussed earlier | Apr 08 18:22 |
| schestowitz | ShowBiz gives people what sells | Apr 08 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Not what's true | Apr 08 18:23 |
| schestowitz | It's a travesty | Apr 08 18:23 |
| Omar87 | satipera, what sickens you even more is that their only concern was wither the target was holding any kind of weapons. | Apr 08 18:23 |
| satipera | there is no psychological safety catch for killing people at a long distance | Apr 08 18:23 |
| schestowitz | http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4125 | Apr 08 18:23 |
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| satipera | they are disassociated from the results | Apr 08 18:23 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Eruaran is gone. | Apr 08 18:24 |
| schestowitz | [18:14] <Omar87> satipera, have they covered the Gaza bombings last year as is? Or did they add some salt and pepper to the story to justify Israel's blatant violation of Human Rights? | Apr 08 18:24 |
| schestowitz | The latest develop is that they gag commanders | Apr 08 18:24 |
| schestowitz | As in, "hey, you helped commit crimes, but don't talk about it" | Apr 08 18:24 |
| satipera | i tweeted about that today | Apr 08 18:24 |
| schestowitz | They put a journalist in home imprisonment for leaking material about the atrocities in the bank/Gaza | Apr 08 18:25 |
| satipera | they reacted the same way to malachi i think that was his name | Apr 08 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: I didn't notice he had left | Apr 08 18:25 |
| schestowitz | I had a nap | Apr 08 18:25 |
| schestowitz | RMS is OK, he's not having blind faith in 'his' country | Apr 08 18:26 |
| satipera | "Mordechai Vanunu was his name | Apr 08 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Some people who had the most guts took the risk of criticising themselves | Apr 08 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Or allowing for criticism | Apr 08 18:26 |
| Omar87 | satipera, yeah. I know him. | Apr 08 18:26 |
| schestowitz | RMS never gags his own critics, either | Apr 08 18:27 |
| schestowitz | No "PR" | Apr 08 18:27 |
| satipera | they abducted him and imprisoned him | Apr 08 18:27 |
| schestowitz | satipera: good lad, told the world about nukes | Apr 08 18:27 |
| schestowitz | He should be rewarded | Apr 08 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Like those people who fight whaling in Japan | Apr 08 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Instead, they get jail | Apr 08 18:27 |
| satipera | but israel suffers no international measures for it | Apr 08 18:27 |
| Omar87 | satipera, yeah. For 18 years. | Apr 08 18:27 |
| schestowitz | It just ought to show what world we live in | Apr 08 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Rewards for scum, death for voices of sanity | Apr 08 18:28 |
| schestowitz | Martin Luther was murdered, no? | Apr 08 18:28 |
| schestowitz | But I think he was into the Panther stuff, though | Apr 08 18:28 |
| satipera | the excuse is they have not signed the non proliferation treaty | Apr 08 18:28 |
| Omar87 | satipera, or when Rachel Corey was buried alive in Palestine. | Apr 08 18:28 |
| satipera | they use similar legalese to not criticise israel for un resolution transgressions | Apr 08 18:29 |
| Omar87 | satipera, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie | Apr 08 18:29 |
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| satipera | oh yes the bulldozer incident | Apr 08 18:29 |
| satipera | I watched a father and his young son shot dead hiding in a doorway, they have a lot to answer for | Apr 08 18:31 |
| satipera | (trying to shield themselves from bullets) | Apr 08 18:31 |
| satipera | I am hoping that israel will realise that they can't go on like this and come to a political compromise with their neighboursd | Apr 08 18:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.builderau.com.au/blogs/betaliving/viewblogpost.htm?p=339271231 "I'm already dreading the upgrade. I feel this version will get more bad press than 9.10 if this ridiculous change in arrangement of buttons is carried out." | Apr 08 18:33 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: New Ubuntu look too destructive - Blogs - Beta Living - Builder AU .::. Size~: 47.37 KB | Apr 08 18:33 |
| satipera | I think changes make sense | Apr 08 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, I'm overall ok with it | Apr 08 18:34 |
| schestowitz | But I don't use GNOME anymore | Apr 08 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Not since 2008 | Apr 08 18:34 |
| satipera | the recent compromise of keeping on left but changing order of buttons is a retrograde step | Apr 08 18:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.katonda.com/blog/1002/ubuntu-use-google-and-not-yahoo-default-search | Apr 08 18:34 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Ubuntu To Use Google And Not Yahoo! As Default Search | Katonda .::. Size~: 28.48 KB | Apr 08 18:34 |
| schestowitz | That's the major bug they had | Apr 08 18:34 |
| satipera | close is too near file | Apr 08 18:35 |
| schestowitz | http://techie-buzz.com/foss/ubuntu-claims-12-million-users-even-before-lucid-lynx-but-on-what-basis.html | Apr 08 18:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3875296/Ubuntu+Preps+Lucid+Lynx+Hits+12M+Users.htm | Apr 08 18:36 |
| schestowitz | satipera: I never thought of that | Apr 08 18:36 |
| satipera | i am sticking with gnome because i am used to it, but i am more and more unhappy with the decisions they are taking | Apr 08 18:36 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Ubuntu Claims 12 Million Users Even Before Lucid Lynx, But on What Basis? .::. Size~: 54.28 KB | Apr 08 18:36 |
| schestowitz | KDE allows the buttons to go anywhere you want | Apr 08 18:36 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Ubuntu Preps Lucid Lynx, Hits 12M Users - InternetNews.com .::. Size~: 133.75 KB | Apr 08 18:36 |
| MinceR | r4wr | Apr 08 18:37 |
| schestowitz | "This is not even close to Fedora’s claims of its desktop installation user base of 24 million. The new Ubuntu marks a milestone with its LTS release. This release will be supported for the next three years." | Apr 08 18:38 |
| satipera | I have only two buttons on the left, min then close | Apr 08 18:39 |
| satipera | kde buttons....anywhere? | Apr 08 18:40 |
| schestowitz | KDE koncontrol or system settings give many options | Apr 08 18:41 |
| schestowitz | I have 8 buttons at the top | Apr 08 18:41 |
| schestowitz | I use them all | Apr 08 18:41 |
| satipera | what do other 5 do | Apr 08 18:41 |
| schestowitz | min, max, shade, all desktops, always on top, always at bottom, menu | Apr 08 18:42 |
| schestowitz | In Mandriva 2008.1 with Compiz many functions were disabled | Apr 08 18:42 |
| satipera | that is custom settings | Apr 08 18:42 |
| schestowitz | kwin is fantastic | Apr 08 18:42 |
| satipera | not familliar with kwin | Apr 08 18:43 |
| schestowitz | It had nice 3d effects | Apr 08 18:43 |
| schestowitz | I enjoy them | Apr 08 18:43 |
| *WireWulf-away is now known as WireWulf | Apr 08 18:43 | |
| schestowitz | Futuristic look, something to brag to guests about | Apr 08 18:43 |
| satipera | :) | Apr 08 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Just got a reply from Beranger | Apr 08 18:44 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/27726038#notice-27770372"@schestowitz Mandriva was,is&will be poorly managed as a business. They silently discarded the Enterprise Desktop. Dunno about the new CEO." | Apr 08 18:44 |
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| *schestowitz loves MAndriva | Apr 08 18:45 | |
| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2010/03/hands-on-ubuntu-one-music-store-will-rock-in-lucid-lynx.ars | Apr 08 18:45 |
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| schestowitz | mandriva makes a solid desktop, in my experience | Apr 08 18:45 |
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| schestowitz | TechrightsBot: ping | Apr 08 18:52 |
| schestowitz | tessier even | Apr 08 18:52 |
| WireWulf | weeeeeeee | Apr 08 18:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/sponsored-announcements/38149-versant-expands-db4o-open-source-licensin Ms-PL | Apr 08 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Is this a Windows-esque thing? | Apr 08 19:05 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Hi Roy, Hey all | Apr 08 19:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2010-April/002554.html | Apr 08 19:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it seems that Ubuntu is going go back to Google as default search engine | Apr 08 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Apr 08 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I know | Apr 08 19:08 |
| MinceR | so they do listen | Apr 08 19:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Cannonal must be taking a lot of flak from its users for the Bing/Yahoo sellout | Apr 08 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Everyone has seen it by now. I'll do a more detailed analysis later | Apr 08 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: too later, a lot of damage already done (PR); they would be better off ASKING BEFORE they do stupuid junk | Apr 08 19:09 |
| MinceR | will they also fire asay now? | Apr 08 19:09 |
| schestowitz | They also ignored users re GIMP ans buttons | Apr 08 19:09 |
| MinceR | what happened regarding the ooo/google docs in netbook remix issue? | Apr 08 19:09 |
| schestowitz | *->And | Apr 08 19:09 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: backlash | Apr 08 19:10 |
| schestowitz | They forgot some people have no Net | Apr 08 19:10 |
| schestowitz | you know who lurves the 'cloud'......... | Apr 08 19:10 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 08 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Other in Canonical too | Apr 08 19:11 |
| MinceR | also, it's possible that the return to google is merely because they're intending/planning to get a closer relationship with google :> | Apr 08 19:11 |
| schestowitz | I know who you're thinking about | Apr 08 19:11 |
| MinceR | chrome os and what not | Apr 08 19:11 |
| schestowitz | IBM too | Apr 08 19:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.thinq.co.uk/news/2010/4/5/ibm-puts-cloud-on-ubuntu-netbook/ | Apr 08 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Cloud... | Apr 08 19:11 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: IBM puts cloud on Ubuntu netbook | THINQ.co.uk .::. Size~: 28.05 KB | Apr 08 19:11 |
| schestowitz | IBM... | Apr 08 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Google... | Apr 08 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Patents? Yes, please. | Apr 08 19:12 |
| schestowitz | http://radar.oreilly.com/2010/04/ipad-falls-short-on-cloud-inte.html | Apr 08 19:12 |
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| schestowitz | "Somewhat to my surprise, I'm equally as excited about the upcoming Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid) release for netbooks as I am by the iPad. The iPad is not yet a netbook-killer. " | Apr 08 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Jobs killer | Apr 08 19:12 |
| schestowitz | aka "depression" | Apr 08 19:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I think the return to google, is partly because maybe, it finially dawned on Mark, that his users, most of them, just plain do not like Microsoft software, including Bing | Apr 08 19:13 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | And the dislike, is more than just that, people do not trust MS, or Bing, the collaporator of Red China censorship | Apr 08 19:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | GNU/Linux is about freedom, Bing is about controlling and censorship | Apr 08 19:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | So Cannonal seems to be stepping back slightly in its relationship with MS | Apr 08 19:19 |
| WireWulf | heh | Apr 08 19:20 |
| WireWulf | google has censorship also | Apr 08 19:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | perhaps it thought it has stepped too close to the edge by embracing Bing. Users are not completely stupid, they would have found out they were using Bing, not really yahoo, or someone would have told them | Apr 08 19:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | we should speak in degrees WireWulf, Google is far far less a problem than Bing | Apr 08 19:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | You don't see MS pulling Bing out of China, if fact they are glowing about their collaporation with China to suppress imformation | Apr 08 19:23 |
| schestowitz | http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2010/03/29/eucom-right-microsoft/ "Meanwhile the works around the second European Interoperability Framework have taken an interesting twist. Having started on rather excellent premises, different copies of the draft are now circulating, and they appear to have been watered down by the direct influence of the Business Software Alliance. " | Apr 08 19:25 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | I doubt that Bing will gain much share in China, as people there will know that MS is a lacky | Apr 08 19:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy> while I agree with most of what you say on IBM is true, my take is different perhaps than yours | Apr 08 19:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | software patnets should be outlawed here in the USA and elsewhere | Apr 08 19:28 |
| schestowitz | In China, nobody uses Bong | Apr 08 19:28 |
| schestowitz | They like Baidu and Google | Apr 08 19:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Apr 08 19:28 |
| schestowitz | THe govt. there poisons the public against Google | Apr 08 19:28 |
| schestowitz | They have propaganda as press | Apr 08 19:28 |
| schestowitz | And they have guidelines | Apr 08 19:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | That will not hurt Google longterm | Apr 08 19:28 |
| schestowitz | They send out the message: "US Google hates you innocent, freedom-loving Chinese peoople" | Apr 08 19:28 |
| schestowitz | They use those dishonest headline | Apr 08 19:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it will make Google more desired by the Chinese people, and Bing less so | Apr 08 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Google as their fountain of truth? | Apr 08 19:29 |
| schestowitz | They could get past the firewalls | Apr 08 19:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The Red Chinesse Gov makes Google into a matyr | Apr 08 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Those with some knowledge | Apr 08 19:29 |
| *WireWulf wonders how many ppl in china have the internet | Apr 08 19:29 | |
| schestowitz | schestowitz.com runs a Web proxy for that | Apr 08 19:30 |
| schestowitz | WireWulf: the most in the world | Apr 08 19:30 |
| schestowitz | More so than in the USSA | Apr 08 19:30 |
| WireWulf | schestowitz there are more chinese also but i mean ratio wise | Apr 08 19:30 |
| schestowitz | But only over 10% of Chinese or less | Apr 08 19:30 |
| schestowitz | It's mostly rural | Apr 08 19:31 |
| WireWulf | it is like 75% of usa ppl have a computer | Apr 08 19:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] malcolm mclaren dead? | Apr 08 19:31 | |
| WireWulf | however only a small nu,ber of said computers run linux/"real" BSD/or anyothe *nix | Apr 08 19:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Well as for me, I run nix, so its important to me and all those I convert | Apr 08 19:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and they are not coming back to MS when I convert them | Apr 08 19:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/63195 | Apr 08 19:35 |
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| schestowitz | Haha /Nelson voice | Apr 08 19:35 |
| WireWulf | Chips_B_Malroy i still use windows for gaming but i use linuxxx more and more | Apr 08 19:35 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: even if they did, they no longer fear the choice | Apr 08 19:36 |
| schestowitz | They revisit it later, based on my experience | Apr 08 19:36 |
| schestowitz | They'll get a nasty virus infection, burn two weekends and then vow to ditch Windows. | Apr 08 19:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | They won't, i show tem how to do things, and show them programs that do everything they want | Apr 08 19:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its all for free, no malware to speak of, no BSOD and constantly scanning to find malware | Apr 08 19:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | My brother did that, yes, two viral infections | Apr 08 19:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | last time, he gave up on xp | Apr 08 19:38 |
| WireWulf | yum winXP | Apr 08 19:40 |
| WireWulf | winXP > winVISTA or win7 | Apr 08 19:40 |
| MinceR | Yellowdog Updater, Modified? | Apr 08 19:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, I don't disagree with what you said about IBM exactly. Its just I believe the saying: "the enemy of my enemy, is also my friend." IBM and Google are the enemy of MS. MS would take away all our freedoms of the GPL if they can | Apr 08 19:40 |
| WireWulf | the enemy of my enemy can also be my ene,y | Apr 08 19:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | While I do not support software patents, they are the stupid law of this (usa) land. therefore I would expect IBM to use the same weapons (patents) that MS would use. Also its not about GNU/Linux, its about a ccommerical OS by IBM for its mainframe monopoly | Apr 08 19:42 |
| MinceR | temporary ally != friend | Apr 08 19:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | could be | Apr 08 19:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | agreed | Apr 08 19:43 |
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| WireWulf | IBM was friendly with M$ at one time | Apr 08 19:44 |
| WireWulf | hell IBM is why M$ started | Apr 08 19:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | what I would have to ask is this, is Turbohercles the front for MS? And is it releasing software to kill IBM's monopoly on mainframes as open source only to cause further problems and divide in the community? | Apr 08 19:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | IBM made a lot of goofs, I am not here to defend them or Google | Apr 08 19:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Like with Goblin and I, we agree to disagree at times, but respectfully | Apr 08 19:45 |
| WireWulf | i think the fact ppl are seeing how M$ works is the reason for a growing linux and hurd base these days | Apr 08 19:46 |
| Ziomatrix | uh oh they did it again: http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2010/04/apple-wins-patents-for-ichat-idvd-virtual-keyboard-multi-touch.html | Apr 08 19:47 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Niethe am I here to defend IBM's monopoly on Mainframes. MS monopy on OEM's preinstalls was basically confirmed by the DOJ antitrust case. Apple's limited monopoly was confirmed by its case against Pystar | Apr 08 19:47 |
| WireWulf | heh fuck apple | Apr 08 19:47 |
| Ziomatrix | WireWulf: too bad most companies rather steal from the FOSS community or use them for a marketing gimmick (looking at you Sony) and then cast then aside | Apr 08 19:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But what hurts IBM, may hurt Linux. They do supply a lot of engineers to help with the Linux kernel | Apr 08 19:48 |
| WireWulf | Ziomatrix rather steal | Apr 08 19:48 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: I wonder if this means AIX and Linux will drift even farther apart, too bad Solaris isn't in the picture anymore | Apr 08 19:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Breaking apart IBM's main source of revenue, might be a way for MS to hurt Linux | Apr 08 19:49 |
| WireWulf | depends | Apr 08 19:49 |
| WireWulf | IBM steal could reinvent the wheel | Apr 08 19:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I can say much about MS AIX, except I think they mostly maintain it, but really do not do the kind of development with it that Linux has | Apr 08 19:50 |
| Ziomatrix | WireWulf: what many are doing is akin to this: http://torrentfreak.com/record-labels-face-60-billion-damages-for-pirating-artists-091207/ | Apr 08 19:50 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] PS3 can be owned again, not just rented. http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/04/07/hacker-says-hes-got-linux-on-the-ps3-again/ | Apr 08 19:51 | |
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| WireWulf | Ziomatrix i hate to say this but sony is becomeing very dumb busness wise | Apr 08 19:52 |
| WireWulf | honistly i think they are going to end up like apple did in the earily 90's | Apr 08 19:52 |
| Ziomatrix | the problem is you will still need to run a proxy with that custom firmware to prevent from being banned from the PSNetwork | Apr 08 19:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Again, I am not defending the right of IBM to have a monopoly on Mainframes (or really the OS that runs on them), but if that was broken up, then MS monopoly and Apples, should be too | Apr 08 19:52 |
| Ziomatrix | WireWulf: Ever since Sony bought BMG and Universal they have been throwing all their hardware assets under a bus. | Apr 08 19:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and those are not going be broken up for now | Apr 08 19:53 |
| WireWulf | Ziomatrix there is always others who come up with a better product | Apr 08 19:53 |
| Ziomatrix | WireWulf: if not immediately as in Rootkits and NetMD then later such as the PS3 | Apr 08 19:53 |
| WireWulf | mmhmm | Apr 08 19:54 |
| Ziomatrix | WireWulf: yes, its pretty simple do what you can to fix what Sony has damaged with your product and think twice before ever buying a product from them again | Apr 08 19:54 |
| WireWulf | hell nintendo codes everything in *nix | Apr 08 19:54 |
| WireWulf | lets sue them for damages | Apr 08 19:54 |
| WireWulf | xD | Apr 08 19:55 |
| Ziomatrix | WireWulf: I think its high times copyleft got legal teeth | Apr 08 19:55 |
| Ziomatrix | WireWulf: corporations are already trying to turn copyright and other IP protection into tyrannical law | Apr 08 19:55 |
| WireWulf | mmhmm | Apr 08 19:56 |
| WireWulf | it is the death of the technological revolotion and the start of the dark ages all over | Apr 08 19:56 |
| Ziomatrix | WireWulf: but alas that may just release the Stormtroopers | Apr 08 19:56 |
| Ziomatrix | seems so | Apr 08 19:57 |
| WireWulf | Ziomatrix on music games and video i dont mind some lose forum of copywrite hell those guys deserve money | Apr 08 19:57 |
| WireWulf | but the way it is done in software is pissy | Apr 08 19:57 |
| Ziomatrix | WireWulf: I think this is a poignant article on how tech industry titans are killing our future: http://www.boingboing.net/2010/04/02/why-i-wont-buy-an-ipad-and-think-you-shouldnt-either.html | Apr 08 19:59 |
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| WireWulf | you cant use this code cuxz it edits video too much like my unrealted code | Apr 08 19:59 |
| WireWulf | Ziomatrix xapple is a xsell out | Apr 08 20:00 |
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| Ziomatrix | WireWulf: in other news major US ISPs don't want you to heavily use the "Unlimited" Broadband you're paying for and is advertised as: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/04/verizon-ceo-studies-be-damned-us-is-tops-in-broadband.ars | Apr 08 20:03 |
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| WireWulf | Ziomatrix again they make money on more M$ users then *nix users | Apr 08 20:04 |
| WireWulf | and M$ dxoesn want you on the net | Apr 08 20:04 |
| Ziomatrix | WireWulf: I find it ironic that the CEO proclaims how great America's broadband is while explaining people shouldn't be using it to its fullest extent | Apr 08 20:05 |
| WireWulf | mmhmm | Apr 08 20:05 |
| Ziomatrix | WireWulf: funny because M$ Genuine Advantage always checks up with the mothership over the net, not to mention all those cloud services they are pushing. | Apr 08 20:05 |
| WireWulf | Ziomatrix remember win98? | Apr 08 20:06 |
| WireWulf | remember how it was the going to be the nxexxt best thing in the computer world | Apr 08 20:07 |
| Ziomatrix | WireWulf: was that when M$ Bob and the Paperclip made their introduction? | Apr 08 20:07 |
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| Ziomatrix | WireWulf: isn't it always marketed that way | Apr 08 20:07 |
| WireWulf | yet bill gates got a BSoD on the very frist public showing of win98 | Apr 08 20:07 |
| WireWulf | which was funny as hell | Apr 08 20:08 |
| Ziomatrix | WireWulf: didn't he also get pied in the face soon after? | Apr 08 20:08 |
| WireWulf | or reasonly how aero isn't KDE ripoff but KDE is a aero rip off | Apr 08 20:09 |
| WireWulf | thats how the idiots running the show on big corp softworkare companies | Apr 08 20:09 |
| Ziomatrix | WireWulf: Playstation Founder predicts death of the franchise he was instrumental in creating: http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/5565357-gaming-on-demand-on-the-internet-the-future | Apr 08 20:09 |
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| Ziomatrix | ok more like informal Playstation founder since his games made up a majority of the PS1's hits | Apr 08 20:10 |
| WireWulf | i like the way id software does busness | Apr 08 20:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How #Apple Ruined an Employee’s and a Fan’s Life http://boycottnovell.com/2010/04/08/apple-lawsuit-settled/ | Apr 08 20:11 | |
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| WireWulf | frist they tell M$ hell no we are not going to directx cuz you say so | Apr 08 20:12 |
| WireWulf | and allow linux ports of their games with in 5 years | Apr 08 20:12 |
| WireWulf | which is why them and bioware seem to never die go figure | Apr 08 20:13 |
| WireWulf | the nfact is most ppl have no idea there are other os/s out there | Apr 08 20:16 |
| WireWulf | and get stuck in either win or macx | Apr 08 20:16 |
| WireWulf | so why care about others who have new ideas....wait no lets take there ideas | Apr 08 20:17 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Malcolm McLaren dies of cancer aged 64. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8610423.stm | Apr 08 20:26 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] ♺ @schestowitz: How #Apple Ruined an Employee’s and a Fan’s Life http://boycottnovell.com/2010/04/08/apple-lawsuit-settled/ | Apr 08 20:28 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Has Cannonical gone crazy??? | Apr 08 20:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | whoops its an April fools article | Apr 08 20:40 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: they keep waffling from Yahoo to Google as the default search engine for the bundled browser | Apr 08 20:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/44234 its humor, aprils fools | Apr 08 20:41 |
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| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: It could be, even though they should have made it clear. At least they are capable of accepting customer input | Apr 08 20:41 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | I am not sure what changed Mark's direction on Bing/Yahoo. Was it the users, that fact that many would see Ubuntu with Yahoo (MS Bing) as MS Linux? | Apr 08 20:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Large CRT telly gone, to Holland! GOOD FECKIN RIDDANCE. Now just need correct power adapter for small LCD telly ... | Apr 08 20:42 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Or did Google wisper something in Marks ear? | Apr 08 20:43 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: I would like to see a distro or OS that uses a lessern known search engine as its default such as IXQuick | Apr 08 20:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | more money from Google, or Google cuts off Ubuntu | Apr 08 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | bigger bribe check | Apr 08 20:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Didn't McLaren & Westwood have 2 sons, not 1? Vaguely recall from Vermorel "Westwood", 12 yrs ago ... anyone got a good reference on this? | Apr 08 20:43 | |
| DaemonFC | Shuttleworth was openly soliciting bribes | Apr 08 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | using Ubuntu as collateral | Apr 08 20:44 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: The Pre is coming out in China, I would like to see how they strip and replace all the Google services on it. | Apr 08 20:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, but Google puts out a lot of software, and if it stops making a Ubuntu deb, based Chrome on Debian upstream instead of Ubuntu, | Apr 08 20:45 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: too bad MapQuest has fallen | Apr 08 20:46 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: I would like to see some popular GPS and Map vender such as TomTom or Garmin support them | Apr 08 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | How stupid do you have to be to try to light a cigarette in an airplane restroom then tell someone you're trying to light your shoe? | Apr 08 20:48 |
| Ziomatrix | Chips_B_Malroy: in fact MapQuest does have a kind of colab going with Garmin when it comes to sending directions to your GPS device of the net: http://blog.mapquest.com/2008/04/16/send-to-garmin-service-now-live-on-mapquest/ | Apr 08 20:49 |
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| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: que? | Apr 08 20:53 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] RT @wikileaks Families demand US troops stand trial over shooting | AFP http://bit.ly/aNhXYj | Apr 08 21:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] RT @wikileaks: Reuters staff unhappy by Reuters coverage of killings. | Gawkers http://bit.ly/cBcZt9 | Apr 08 21:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC News - NHS Forth Valley apologies after patient records lost http://tinyurl.com/ydbj4of | Apr 08 21:14 | |
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| WireWulf | baxxck | Apr 08 21:15 |
| MinceR | baxxter | Apr 08 21:16 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Looking at eweek MS Watch, what a disaster that site is now | Apr 08 21:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | even Linux Watch has not posted an ariticle since Dec of 2009 | Apr 08 21:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The advertisements are mostly all MS on MS Watch, I check it once in awhile in Opera, as Firefox with Adblock works | Apr 08 21:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Nicholas Kolakowski writes as a total M$ fanboi without a clue, | Apr 08 21:23 |
| MinceR | opera can block ads too | Apr 08 21:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | most likely MS is writting for him | Apr 08 21:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wonder if it pays well to promote MS | Apr 08 21:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Nicholas Kolakowski writting is so bad most articles get zero comments there, even though anyone can comment without signing up | Apr 08 21:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Diablo-D3> I doubt that MS pays them that well, as you see Linux Watch no new articles, and Apple Watch looks gone | Apr 08 21:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | M$ only advertises (pays) enough to keep them saying nice things | Apr 08 21:27 |
| schestowitz | [19:45] <Chips_B_Malroy> IBM made a lot of goofs, I am not here to defend them or Google | Apr 08 21:30 |
| schestowitz | That's not the pojnt | Apr 08 21:30 |
| schestowitz | I'm not saying IBM is bad | Apr 08 21:30 |
| schestowitz | It's just wrong on this one, and it should rightly be slammed for it | Apr 08 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: Nick repeats PR stuff | Apr 08 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Mary Jo Stopped criticising Microsoft last year | Apr 08 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Maybe she's aiming to receive a reward for this | Apr 08 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Nick is the samr | Apr 08 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Joe Wilcox turns the very opposite way | Apr 08 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: <X>Watch is ZIff-Davis (just all "watches") | Apr 08 21:32 |
| schestowitz | They have been Microsoft partners for a very long time | Apr 08 21:32 |
| schestowitz | They fired SJVN | Apr 08 21:32 |
| schestowitz | It's a good thing IDG gave him a blog | Apr 08 21:32 |
| cubezzz | bah | Apr 08 21:33 |
| schestowitz | To Microsoft partners, SJVN must be a huge liability | Apr 08 21:33 |
| cubezzz | I'm buying an Amiga :) | Apr 08 21:33 |
| cubezzz | I'm done with wintel | Apr 08 21:33 |
| cubezzz | seriously Amiga was the most open | Apr 08 21:34 |
| WireWulf | hints why it is dead | Apr 08 21:34 |
| cubezzz | it's not completely dead | Apr 08 21:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Yes Roy, but I am thinking to post again at MS Watch, just to torment them with the truth | Apr 08 21:34 |
| cubezzz | http://www.amigakit.com | Apr 08 21:34 |
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| Ziomatrix | cubezzz: the classic or what is being introduced by ACube and Hyperion under the mantra of Amiga OS4? | Apr 08 21:34 |
| Ziomatrix | cubezzz: get a Amiga 4000T, the last and best model | Apr 08 21:35 |
| cubezzz | Ziomatrix, stuff like Amiga 1000 to 4000T yeah | Apr 08 21:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Just a reminder to Ziff Davis that they sold out to MS | Apr 08 21:35 |
| Ziomatrix | cubezzz: actually it depends, if you don't want the tower form factor then the A2500 is fine | Apr 08 21:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Joe Wilcox is not GNU/Linux friendly. He never was, at heart he is an Apple fan | Apr 08 21:36 |
| cubezzz | oh I like desktops actually | Apr 08 21:36 |
| Ziomatrix | cubezzz: you can start playing around with the whole AmigaOS ui by using a Linux hosted version of AROS or UAE | Apr 08 21:36 |
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| cubezzz | Ziomatrix, I used UAE for years | Apr 08 21:37 |
| *WireWulf is looking at xhurd | Apr 08 21:37 | |
| cubezzz | emulation is just not as good as the real deal | Apr 08 21:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | cubezzz> so no spark computers? | Apr 08 21:37 |
| cubezzz | Chips_B_Malroy, not much in the way of community for Sparc | Apr 08 21:37 |
| Ziomatrix | cubezzz: I'm keeping tabs on Haiku again ever since they're planning to move to Beta soon | Apr 08 21:37 |
| cubezzz | the thing is, after doing some research I'm sure I can get parts | Apr 08 21:38 |
| cubezzz | that's the decider | Apr 08 21:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | cubezzz> sparc is not a community, its commercial | Apr 08 21:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Solarious now is | Apr 08 21:39 |
| cubezzz | yeah | Apr 08 21:39 |
| cubezzz | now Orcale is running the show | Apr 08 21:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | mostly old stuff on ebay | Apr 08 21:39 |
| cubezzz | exactly | Apr 08 21:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not complete, will cost you a lot to complete | Apr 08 21:40 |
| cubezzz | there's tons of NOS amiga 1200's | Apr 08 21:40 |
| cubezzz | and they are cheap :) | Apr 08 21:40 |
| Ziomatrix | cubezzz: will you be trying to get a PPC card as well? | Apr 08 21:40 |
| cubezzz | Chips_B_Malroy, everyone's selling stuff without keyboard or mice | Apr 08 21:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | sparc does make a very expensive laptop you used to be able to buy from Sun directly | Apr 08 21:40 |
| cubezzz | Ziomatrix, well I need an MMU so... | Apr 08 21:40 |
| cubezzz | probably try to get a 1200, then upgrade | Apr 08 21:41 |
| cubezzz | or just try to find a 3000 or a 4000 | Apr 08 21:41 |
| cubezzz | AmigaDOS 4.1 is closed which is a turn off | Apr 08 21:43 |
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| Ziomatrix | cool, anyway I gtg, good luck and hope you find one in good condition, yellow plastic doesn't count | Apr 08 21:44 |
| cubezzz | ;-) | Apr 08 21:44 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | well, MS Watch held my comment for approvial | Apr 08 21:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I posted a dosie too | Apr 08 21:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | They will have to have a lot of guts to post my comment tomorrow | Apr 08 21:58 |
| schestowitz | [21:34] <Chips_B_Malroy> Yes Roy, but I am thinking to post again at MS Watch, just to torment them with the truth | Apr 08 21:58 |
| schestowitz | No, don't | Apr 08 21:58 |
| schestowitz | It would only encourage them | Apr 08 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Post instead in sites like Groklaw or BN | Apr 08 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Besides, Nick censors | Apr 08 21:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy> Ziff Davis has to be reminded of the truth that they take money from M$, and therefore are the slave of the master once in awhile | Apr 08 21:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, I know Nick censors like Bing and China | Apr 08 21:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | which Is why I saved my comment | Apr 08 22:00 |
| schestowitz | But Nick is not the one to blame entirely | Apr 08 22:00 |
| schestowitz | he's hired for having his tongue in Microsoft's shoe | Apr 08 22:00 |
| schestowitz | it's the publisher/editor who hires these people | Apr 08 22:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | here is my comment to ms watch: May the sound of the crickets chirping be unbroken here. Except for the crickets its very quiet here at eweek these days, judging by the comments you are not getting these days. Yawn..... Its not hard to see what happened to the traffic here, one just has to look at the advertisers, and the main one is MICROSOFT. Its no wonder that the articles look more like Microsoft PR release | Apr 08 22:00 |
| schestowitz | CNET and ZDNet (CBS) is the same | Apr 08 22:01 |
| schestowitz | THe money comes from Apple, Microsoft, IBM... | Apr 08 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Intel.. | Apr 08 22:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | News flash for eweek: nobody really cares about Zune and Bing, they are both going to the garbage can of history as soon as MS runs out of money spend on them. That could be the day the stockholders wake up and replace Ballmer? Taking Microsoft money has not helped this site, if fact, it has made this site worthless and caused the traffic here to become almost non-exsistant. Why promote Bing, unless Microsoft | Apr 08 22:01 |
| schestowitz | See how IDG covred hypePad. | Apr 08 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy:you're just trolling him | Apr 08 22:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the comment is used to educate the readers, not everyone knows where Ziff Davis money is coming from | Apr 08 22:02 |
| schestowitz | It's like a show | Apr 08 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Like politics | Apr 08 22:02 |
| schestowitz | One moment they argue, then they go to the pub | Apr 08 22:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they need to be discredited once in awhile | Apr 08 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Publications are like the pub | Apr 08 22:02 |
| schestowitz | It's a business | Apr 08 22:02 |
| schestowitz | It's not a journal | Apr 08 22:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, its a business | Apr 08 22:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but one we should troll once in awhile | Apr 08 22:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | just to let the uneducated know why the bias at Ziff Davis and others is paid for by MS | Apr 08 22:03 |
| neighborlee | well bing has a kinda nice feature of suggesting things but I think google is far ahead of them for it to matter... | Apr 08 22:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | once in awhile, not all the time | Apr 08 22:04 |
| neighborlee | I tried bing for a time to try to be objective,, but I always come back to google for its search engine capabilities | Apr 08 22:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Bing is the gestapo of search engines, just ask their partners the Red Chinese | Apr 08 22:05 |
| neighborlee | I guess M$ can just make their console as good as they can and let it go at that ,,windows meh jury is out ,,they are also on the cusp of high tech stuff that wont ever change unless they run out of money ;) | Apr 08 22:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Only Hotmail did not get attacked by the Red Chinese. Wonder why, most likely MS collaberated and turned over the accounts to them. | Apr 08 22:06 |
| MinceR | and bingo was his name-o | Apr 08 22:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Nick might post my comment, he is desperate for comments I believe. | Apr 08 22:08 |
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| neighborlee | MinceR, lol | Apr 08 22:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/18384/1/ | Apr 08 22:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | " An Intel spokesman said that most of the Itanium servers around the world do not run Microsoft Windows anyway. He said that it represents six per cent of current Itanium sales and most Itanium users run HP-UX." | Apr 08 22:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Freda just worked out how to press the key to open the Mac's DVD drive and put the Shaun the Sheep DVD in! | Apr 08 22:19 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.crn.com/software/224202066 looks like miguel mr.dee icaza MS MVP will have some catching up to do with Silverlight | Apr 08 22:20 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft To Launch Silverlight 4 Next Week - Software - IT Channel News by CRN .::. Size~: 72.82 KB | Apr 08 22:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *miguel de icaza and moonlight | Apr 08 22:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its the other mvp that is mrdee | Apr 08 22:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but heck, isn't all MS MVP parts interchangable? | Apr 08 22:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Finally we have a #Ubuntu -based distribution which does not encourage reliance on #Microsoft ’s C# http://ur1.ca/u5s8 | Apr 08 22:22 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Netrunner: Ubuntu GNU/Linux Sans Mono | Techrights .::. Size~: 80.43 KB | Apr 08 22:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, you should promote Netrunner | Apr 08 22:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | as an article | Apr 08 22:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The more times you can show Gnome distro's without the sick mono infection the better | Apr 08 22:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | only this way will other distro's that use Gnome start to remove it by default | Apr 08 22:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | especially if say netrunner becomes poplur | Apr 08 22:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *popular | Apr 08 22:28 |
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| DeadSuperHero | Hi everybody. | Apr 08 22:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | https://edge.launchpad.net/coapp | Apr 08 22:37 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Common Opensource Application Publishing Platform in Launchpad .::. Size~: 21.11 KB | Apr 08 22:37 |
| DeadSuperHero | Huh. | Apr 08 22:38 |
| DeadSuperHero | *looks* | Apr 08 22:38 |
| DeadSuperHero | Oh, it's for Windows. | Apr 08 22:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, what bullshit | Apr 08 22:38 |
| *Diablo-D3 waits for the dent to show up | Apr 08 22:38 | |
| DeadSuperHero | My interest suddenly went waaay down. | Apr 08 22:38 |
| DeadSuperHero | "CoApp aims to create a vibrant Open Source ecosystem on Windows" | Apr 08 22:39 |
| DeadSuperHero | Well wait, isn't that what CodePlex is for? | Apr 08 22:39 |
| DeadSuperHero | God knows that they have a great "Open Source" community for Windows already. | Apr 08 22:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s Ally #Fortify Software Attacks Free Software Again http://ur1.ca/u5ui #firefox #mozilla #fud #lie #security | Apr 08 22:40 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsofts Ally Fortify Software Attacks Free Software Again | Techrights .::. Size~: 83.01 KB | Apr 08 22:40 |
| DeadSuperHero | So, a community-driven package manager for Windows? | Apr 08 22:40 |
| DeadSuperHero | Seems like a waste of time. | Apr 08 22:41 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Ubuntu/Launchpad supports pro-Microsoft anti-FOSS activities http://ur1.ca/u5uahttp://ur1.ca/u5u9 | Apr 08 22:43 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.onwindows.com/Articles/Gordon-Brown-questioned-at-Microsoft/4760/Default.aspx | Apr 08 22:48 |
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| MinceR | gn | Apr 08 22:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100408153953613 | Apr 08 22:52 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Groklaw - Why I Believe IBM is Free to Sue The Pants Off TurboHercules .::. Size~: 36.14 KB | Apr 08 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: good find | Apr 08 22:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://wildcat.arizona.edu/wildlife/how-microsoft-will-drop-the-ball-on-project-natal-1.1308779 | Apr 08 23:00 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Arizona Daily Wildcat - How Microsoft will drop the ball on Project Natal .::. Size~: 67.21 KB | Apr 08 23:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not a bad article, its saying that the natal motion controller will be a failure for the xbox360 because only newer games will support it, if I get it right | Apr 08 23:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, i don't profess to understand everything about the IBM sitution | Apr 08 23:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Natal is the same thing as the Sony Move, another me too by MS | Apr 08 23:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | for all the hype | Apr 08 23:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @ PiratePartyUK On unrelated note, we encourage people to protect their privacy w/ legal anonymisation services like tor and ipredator | Apr 08 23:04 | |
| schestowitz | [22:24] <Chips_B_Malroy> Roy, you should promote Netrunner | Apr 08 23:06 |
| schestowitz | I just did | Apr 08 23:06 |
| schestowitz | But I won't review it, I'm mostly KDE oriented now | Apr 08 23:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin will you please review #Netrunner ? | Apr 08 23:07 | |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Apr 08 23:09 |
| schestowitz | First Groklaw defends Apple | Apr 08 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Now this... | Apr 08 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Waste of time, IMHO | Apr 08 23:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] This page disappeared from Hansard http://is.gd/bkD7b I have mirrored it here http://reddragdiva.co.uk/lj/debill.html #debill - please fwd | Apr 08 23:09 | |
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| schestowitz | Comment says: "Roger Bowler claims that IBM threatened TH before TH filed it's complaint. What I figure happened is this. AIUI z/OS is licensed only to run on IBM hardware." | Apr 08 23:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | there is a difference here between the Apple and IBM case | Apr 08 23:13 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy> apple mac OS X and the pystar case is about a operating system that can run on home systems, where the IBM case is about mainframes and the business OS that runs on it. | Apr 08 23:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | IBM mainframes and the OS that runs it, are far removed from everyday consumers and its completely commercial, unlike Mac which uses and abuses BSD free software underneath it | Apr 08 23:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its not quite the same type of case, is all I am pointing out | Apr 08 23:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but both companies do have a monopoly of sorts | Apr 08 23:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] the only(?) non-locked-down application platform on #iPhone, #iPad, #iPod touch is web apps via #Safari... that's a pretty big loophole ;) | Apr 08 23:21 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] sure, no #Flash, but it had it comin' | Apr 08 23:22 | |
| cubezzz | bah | Apr 08 23:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @saintpaul007 #iraq #war vet ‘told to just shoot people; officers would take care of us’ http://bit.ly/bwNqIC =definitive state terrorism | Apr 08 23:24 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Iraq War Vet: We Were Told to Just Shoot People, and the Officers Would Take Care of Us « Little Alex in Wonderland .::. Size~: 84.53 KB | Apr 08 23:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | There is one bad thing I can see resulting from a legal case in this IBM/Turbohercules matter, should it go to trial. If they find in IBM favor, and Turbolinux could not make an emulelator, then the possible of other VM's could be impacted with licencing, (think of apple for example) | Apr 08 23:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | most of the VM applications are already scared of Apple | Apr 08 23:28 |
| cubezzz | double bah | Apr 08 23:28 |
| cubezzz | don't use Apple | Apr 08 23:28 |
| cubezzz | they are probably the most closed system | Apr 08 23:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | cubezz> I don't mind running stuff in a vm like virtualbox to help out others as tech support | Apr 08 23:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] reported.. malcolm mclaren man behind punk rock, no he was not he just took an existing idea and sold it | Apr 08 23:29 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but as far as running OS X no | Apr 08 23:29 |
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| DeadSuperHero | I'm back. No work for me today. | Apr 08 23:32 |
| cubezzz | is that good or bad? :) | Apr 08 23:33 |
| DeadSuperHero | Bit of both I guess. | Apr 08 23:33 |
| DeadSuperHero | :P | Apr 08 23:33 |
| DeadSuperHero | I enjoy having days off, but it doesn't exactly pay the bills. | Apr 08 23:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/04/bank-of-america-hack of course it dosen't say windows, but we know it is | Apr 08 23:34 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Bank of America Employee Charged With Planting Malware on ATMs | Threat Level | Wired.com .::. Size~: 74.23 KB | Apr 08 23:34 |
| DeadSuperHero | Hey, what sites would you recommend for some good up-to-the-minute FOSS news? Usually I just peruse FS Daily, OSNews Lxer, LinuxToday, and the various PlanetGnome and PlanetKDE blogs, but there's not really any new news going on today. | Apr 08 23:35 |
| DeadSuperHero | Like, Engadget and Gizmodo and all the "tech" related sites are focused on the iPhoneOS 4.x coversage, so I wanted to see if there was any actual news in the last 24 hours. | Apr 08 23:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.spamfighter.com/News-14163-Manila-Earthquake-Results-in-Malware-Distribution.htm "On an alarming note, fake anti-virus applications have become more widespread online as cyber felons make use of affiliate programs in order to earn well from their installations. One of the effective methods is to seize keywords, like in this case "earthquake Manila Philippines'', thus targeting the search results well know | Apr 08 23:36 |
| DeadSuperHero | *coverage, yeesh my spelling is atrocious today. | Apr 08 23:36 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Manila Earthquake Results in Malware Distribution - SPAMfighter .::. Size~: 25.53 KB | Apr 08 23:36 |
| DeadSuperHero | Even Phoronix is a little slow today... | Apr 08 23:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/view/8629/koobface-makes-another-comeback/ | Apr 08 23:36 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Infosecurity (UK) - Koobface makes (another) comeback .::. Size~: 38.55 KB | Apr 08 23:37 |
| DeadSuperHero | hmmmm | Apr 08 23:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.esecurityplanet.com/headlines/article.php/3874606/article.htm | Apr 08 23:39 |
| DeadSuperHero | Not really anything new at TheRegister either... | Apr 08 23:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Whole Foods Warns of Facebook Malware | Apr 08 23:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | bot did not catch the title | Apr 08 23:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] huge story Netanyahu refuses to face the washington nuclear music, http://is.gd/bkFbt | Apr 08 23:40 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Netanyahu cancels trip to U.S. nuclear summit - Haaretz - Israel News .::. Size~: 56.3 KB | Apr 08 23:40 |
| DeadSuperHero | Guess I'll just scrounge the bottom of various mailing lists and see if I can hammer out an article on my blog. | Apr 08 23:41 |
| DeadSuperHero | Hey, my Coreboot petition has 24 signatures now. Spiffy! | Apr 08 23:42 |
| cubezzz | even Charlie Rose is shilling for the ipad | Apr 08 23:42 |
| cubezzz | lame | Apr 08 23:42 |
| DeadSuperHero | Ugh. | Apr 08 23:42 |
| DeadSuperHero | iPad iPad iPad. It's all over the news. | Apr 08 23:42 |
| DeadSuperHero | Freakin' lame. | Apr 08 23:43 |
| cubezzz | can you even program the thing? | Apr 08 23:43 |
| DeadSuperHero | It would be interesting to see if you could flash a GNU/Linux distribution to it. | Apr 08 23:43 |
| DeadSuperHero | Actually, that might be a worthwhile endeavor. | Apr 08 23:43 |
| cubezzz | meh | Apr 08 23:43 |
| cubezzz | how much does it cost? | Apr 08 23:43 |
| DeadSuperHero | A bajillion dollars. | Apr 08 23:43 |
| DeadSuperHero | I seem to recall it being 499. | Apr 08 23:43 |
| DeadSuperHero | I'm probably wrong though. | Apr 08 23:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The Ipad is junk, but its only $500 junk. What i waiting to see if Ipad sales will hurt OEM windows laptop sales. | Apr 08 23:45 |
| DeadSuperHero | Eh. | Apr 08 23:45 |
| cubezzz | $600 on ebay | Apr 08 23:45 |
| cubezzz | what a deal :) | Apr 08 23:45 |
| DeadSuperHero | Meanwhile, the secret AmigaOS powered tablet with a Plan9-based interface based on E17 still doesn't exist. | Apr 08 23:46 |
| cubezzz | there's a 32 gb and a 64 gb version | Apr 08 23:46 |
| DeadSuperHero | Blast. | Apr 08 23:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | cubezzz> was supposed to be $500 at apple stores wasn't it? | Apr 08 23:46 |
| DeadSuperHero | It must be awesome, though, having a hype machine like Jobs. | Apr 08 23:46 |
| cubezzz | probably | Apr 08 23:46 |
| cubezzz | there is a secret Amiga but it's not Plan9 based :) | Apr 08 23:47 |
| DeadSuperHero | X1000? :D | Apr 08 23:47 |
| DeadSuperHero | Or Hyperion's "Most Ambitious Project"? | Apr 08 23:47 |
| cubezzz | I've been the motherboard for it | Apr 08 23:47 |
| cubezzz | er, seen | Apr 08 23:47 |
| DeadSuperHero | Ah, A-Eon then. | Apr 08 23:47 |
| cubezzz | yes | Apr 08 23:47 |
| DeadSuperHero | I recall reading it was a dual-core PowerPC sporting some spiffy Co-Processor. | Apr 08 23:48 |
| cubezzz | that sounds about right | Apr 08 23:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | see to you and me, and most people on this channel, Ipad is junk. but to those who don't do much with their computers, and cannot type, Ipad may actually be better for them than windows, if they have not a clue on how to protect windows. | Apr 08 23:48 |
| DeadSuperHero | Up to that point, I didn't even know what a Co-Processor was. | Apr 08 23:48 |
| cubezzz | Chips_B_Malroy, I'll buy an ipad and use it only for IRC :) | Apr 08 23:48 |
| DeadSuperHero | Oh god. | Apr 08 23:48 |
| DeadSuperHero | That thing just looks painful to type on as it is. | Apr 08 23:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | dosen't have a real keyboard or mouse | Apr 08 23:49 |
| cubezzz | actually if I wanted to be really bad ass I'd use a Commodore 128 for IRC :) | Apr 08 23:49 |
| cubezzz | 8502 ftw | Apr 08 23:49 |
| DeadSuperHero | I think I'd rather go for a pair of gloves that somehow mapped keys to fingers and would evaluate choice of characters by how long you held a finger down. Sounds like a way better peripheral device than typing on a flat surface. | Apr 08 23:50 |
| cubezzz | the Amiga 1000 design was good | Apr 08 23:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ipad could actually hurt MS. Its about the only good thing I can say about it | Apr 08 23:51 |
| DeadSuperHero | I actually did like Microsoft's "Courier" book-tablet-concept thing. | Apr 08 23:51 |
| cubezzz | they'll probably make a zunepad or some stupid thing | Apr 08 23:51 |
| DeadSuperHero | That actually struck me as somewhat innovative in comparison to the iPad. | Apr 08 23:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the OEM's need to wake up and start dumping MS | Apr 08 23:51 |
| *jono (~jono@ubuntu/member/jono) has joined #boycottnovell | Apr 08 23:52 | |
| cubezzz | damn, all the commodore 128's are over $100 | Apr 08 23:52 |
| DeadSuperHero | Hey, it's Jono Bacon! | Apr 08 23:52 |
| DeadSuperHero | Suhweeeet! | Apr 08 23:52 |
| cubezzz | retro computing is popular again | Apr 08 23:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hi Jono | Apr 08 23:52 |
| DeadSuperHero | Retro computing forces the user to stay mentally sharp. | Apr 08 23:52 |
| cubezzz | $65 for a fast load cartridge?? | Apr 08 23:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | jono> is it true Ubuntu is not going use Bing as default? going back to google? | Apr 08 23:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @satipera Netanyahu backs out of Washington nuke meeting http://is.gd/bkFbt ; neighbours want #Israel to sign Non Proliferation Treaty | Apr 08 23:53 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Netanyahu cancels trip to U.S. nuclear summit - Haaretz - Israel News .::. Size~: 56.3 KB | Apr 08 23:53 |
| *WireWulf-away is now known as WireWulf | Apr 08 23:54 | |
| WireWulf | back in good old irssi | Apr 08 23:54 |
| DeadSuperHero | WireWulf: good call! | Apr 08 23:54 |
| cubezzz | I have irssi for ARM :) | Apr 08 23:55 |
| WireWulf | DeadSuperHero: sorta hard to run none cli apps on this computer | Apr 08 23:55 |
| DeadSuperHero | CLI apps are great though. | Apr 08 23:55 |
| DeadSuperHero | I'm particularly fond of Finch myself. | Apr 08 23:55 |
| WireWulf | i like things that work | Apr 08 23:56 |
| WireWulf | if i want pretty i'd yuse weecht tho :P | Apr 08 23:57 |
| DeadSuperHero | jono: how far along is PyJunior? I saw that on your blog today, it looks really promising. | Apr 08 23:57 |
| jono | DeadSuperHero, :) | Apr 08 23:57 |
| WireWulf | hi jono i thought you just like was always tweeting | Apr 08 23:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.pc1news.com/news/1271/shortened-urls-leading-to-buzus-worm.html | Apr 08 23:57 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Watch Out! Shortened URLs Leading to Buzus Worm .::. Size~: 15.51 KB | Apr 08 23:57 |
| WireWulf | rut ro | Apr 08 23:58 |
| jono | ok, I have to run | Apr 08 23:58 |
| jono | laters! | Apr 08 23:58 |
| DeadSuperHero | Take care. | Apr 08 23:58 |
| WireWulf | buh byez | Apr 08 23:58 |
| *jono has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) | Apr 08 23:58 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.sawfnews.com/Tech/63345.aspx "Twitter in combination with url shortening services could be helping the spread of malware on a massive scale." | Apr 08 23:58 |
| WireWulf | wurms who needs em | Apr 08 23:58 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Is Twitter assisting malware spread? .::. Size~: 44.75 KB | Apr 08 23:58 |
| DeadSuperHero | Huh, apparently Alfresco CMS is in the Ubuntu Partner Repos. http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2010/04/alfresco-and-ubuntu.html | Apr 08 23:59 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: From the Canyon Edge - :-Dustin Kirkland: Alfresco and Ubuntu .::. Size~: 68.11 KB | Apr 08 23:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | So Jono did not want to anwser my question | Apr 08 23:59 |
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