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| cubezzz | I have all the fc1 source, just in case | Apr 20 00:00 |
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| cubezzz | and I backport some things | Apr 20 00:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/apr/18/goldman-sachs-regulators-civil-charges | Apr 20 00:00 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Now we know the truth. The financial meltdown wasn't a mistake – it was a con | Will Hutton |Business |The Observer .::. Size~: 86.55 KB | Apr 20 00:00 |
| cubezzz | ender2070, old game dev is still on 2.4 and old gcc | Apr 20 00:01 |
| cubezzz | that's the way LGP does it sometimes | Apr 20 00:01 |
| cubezzz | actually tested on both 2.4 and 2.6 | Apr 20 00:01 |
| ender2070 | schestowitz - the irony is that i knew that already based on my so-called "subculture" | Apr 20 00:02 |
| cubezzz | gcc 2.95 | Apr 20 00:02 |
| oiaohm | Very few Linux programs are truly kernel dependent. | Apr 20 00:02 |
| cubezzz | no way you can get that code to work on newer gcc | Apr 20 00:02 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, the source system keeps changing | Apr 20 00:02 |
| cubezzz | old games stop working | Apr 20 00:02 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Apr 20 00:03 |
| ender2070 | because old games wont keep up with evolution | Apr 20 00:03 |
| cubezzz | er, sound system I mean | Apr 20 00:03 |
| cubezzz | but I think it's silly to stop working on old games if you have the source | Apr 20 00:03 |
| ender2070 | yes, gotta keep them up to date with technology | Apr 20 00:04 |
| ender2070 | linux and its frameworks are moving targets | Apr 20 00:04 |
| cubezzz | definitely | Apr 20 00:04 |
| ender2070 | proprietary hates this | Apr 20 00:04 |
| cubezzz | Fedora has really changed a lot | Apr 20 00:04 |
| oiaohm | The kernel is not that much of a moving target from syscall level. | Apr 20 00:04 |
| oiaohm | 2.95 was a very lax complier. | Apr 20 00:05 |
| ender2070 | the frameworks are bigger moving largets | Apr 20 00:05 |
| ender2070 | targets* | Apr 20 00:05 |
| oiaohm | It lets thousand of coding errors go past. | Apr 20 00:05 |
| ender2070 | GCC 2.95 wasnt even C++98 compliant | Apr 20 00:05 |
| ender2070 | so fuck it | Apr 20 00:05 |
| ender2070 | upgrade | Apr 20 00:05 |
| cubezzz | you can't :) | Apr 20 00:05 |
| oiaohm | There is something useful. | Apr 20 00:05 |
| cubezzz | you have to run multiple gcc versions | Apr 20 00:05 |
| ender2070 | why cant you | Apr 20 00:05 |
| ender2070 | you have the source | Apr 20 00:05 |
| cubezzz | the code is way too hard to adjust to new gcc, in some cases | Apr 20 00:06 |
| ender2070 | you have to rebuild your toolchain, etc | Apr 20 00:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Eventually I wrote 28 posts today. One day I might do 30.... hard to find ideas though | Apr 20 00:06 | |
| oiaohm | http://coccinelle.lip6.fr/ cubezzz makes correcting a lot of source codes simple. | Apr 20 00:06 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Coccinelle: A Program Matching and Transformation Tool for Systems Code .::. Size~: 4.6 KB | Apr 20 00:06 |
| ender2070 | oh you mean the apps | Apr 20 00:06 |
| cubezzz | Majesty Gold for one :) | Apr 20 00:06 |
| ender2070 | dude, i fixed http://shipz.sourceforge.net | Apr 20 00:06 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Shipz .::. Size~: 4.84 KB | Apr 20 00:06 |
| cubezzz | it's not new gcc believe me | Apr 20 00:06 |
| oiaohm | Since lots programming errors are repeated. cubezzz | Apr 20 00:07 |
| ender2070 | look at shipz, 2005 | Apr 20 00:07 |
| ender2070 | gcc 3.x i think, i got it working with the latest | Apr 20 00:07 |
| cubezzz | code ported from doze, to mac, to linux | Apr 20 00:07 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: it will be fixable. | Apr 20 00:07 |
| ender2070 | i can barely code c++ and I was able to fix stuff | Apr 20 00:07 |
| oiaohm | Now what coding error is the newer gcc fiding. cubezzz | Apr 20 00:08 |
| ender2070 | based on the first couple chapters of my c++ book | Apr 20 00:08 |
| ender2070 | just standards compliance in the language changed since the code was written | Apr 20 00:08 |
| cubezzz | well the best experts at LGP couldn't do it | Apr 20 00:08 |
| oiaohm | LOL | Apr 20 00:08 |
| ender2070 | LGP? | Apr 20 00:08 |
| cubezzz | after months and months of effort | Apr 20 00:08 |
| oiaohm | I have ported stuff they failed. cubezzz | Apr 20 00:08 |
| cubezzz | oh? Like what? | Apr 20 00:09 |
| oiaohm | And I am not a great coder. | Apr 20 00:09 |
| oiaohm | I am a debugger more than anything else. | Apr 20 00:09 |
| cubezzz | I helped fix bugs too, but using gcc 2.95 | Apr 20 00:09 |
| cubezzz | that's the way it is | Apr 20 00:09 |
| ender2070 | might as well be using sun studio | Apr 20 00:10 |
| cubezzz | lots and lots of hours put into it | Apr 20 00:10 |
| oiaohm | When were they trying to do it. | Apr 20 00:10 |
| oiaohm | Most likely pre coccinelle | Apr 20 00:10 |
| cubezzz | couple of years ago there was a push to new gcc | Apr 20 00:10 |
| schestowitz | http://blogsofbainbridge.typepad.com/africa/2010/04/the-idrcgates-foundation-story-is-also-in-the-seattle-times.html | Apr 20 00:10 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Tobacco Control in Africa - TCA: The IDRC/Gates Foundation story is also in the Seattle Times .::. Size~: 71.88 KB | Apr 20 00:10 |
| oiaohm | Pre coccinelle cubezzz | Apr 20 00:11 |
| cubezzz | we didn't have any documentation from the original work | Apr 20 00:11 |
| schestowitz | This guy was on their tails all along | Apr 20 00:11 |
| oiaohm | coccinelle means when you have found a style error you can send it after it and fix it accross the complete source base at once. cubezzz | Apr 20 00:11 |
| ender2070 | LGP is a proprietary software house | Apr 20 00:11 |
| cubezzz | yeah | Apr 20 00:11 |
| schestowitz | DRM | Apr 20 00:11 |
| cubezzz | now, yeah | Apr 20 00:11 |
| ender2070 | they can eat mah balls | Apr 20 00:11 |
| cubezzz | not my doing :) | Apr 20 00:11 |
| cubezzz | at least I got to see the source | Apr 20 00:12 |
| oiaohm | Without coccinelle porting code is a pain in ass. cubezzz | Apr 20 00:12 |
| ender2070 | proprietary software devs tend to stick with old shit because they hate learning standards | Apr 20 00:12 |
| ender2070 | generally* | Apr 20 00:12 |
| cubezzz | well the original programmers aren't even allowed to look at the code now | Apr 20 00:12 |
| cubezzz | which didn't help | Apr 20 00:13 |
| oiaohm | Pre coccinelle I was writing perl and python scripts todo the same thing. cubezzz | Apr 20 00:13 |
| ender2070 | also porting to new gcc costs money | Apr 20 00:13 |
| oiaohm | That is why I could do suff they could not. cubezzz | Apr 20 00:13 |
| ender2070 | proprietary business is about $$$ | Apr 20 00:13 |
| cubezzz | I wanted to write open castle, but I thought I'd get in trouble | Apr 20 00:13 |
| oiaohm | They were trying to do it by read and patch manually. cubezzz | Apr 20 00:13 |
| cubezzz | yeah | Apr 20 00:13 |
| oiaohm | What is basically impossiable on a large code base. | Apr 20 00:13 |
| oiaohm | You must use automatic tools. | Apr 20 00:14 |
| oiaohm | Basically good coders. Complete idiots at migration between compliers. | Apr 20 00:14 |
| schestowitz | http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/04/18/1825206/Newspaper-Death-Notices-May-Be-a-Dying-Business?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29 | Apr 20 00:15 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Slashdot News Story | Newspaper Death Notices May Be a Dying Business .::. Size~: 143.04 KB | Apr 20 00:15 |
| cubezzz | could be, I can't argue :) | Apr 20 00:15 |
| oiaohm | coding and complier migration are two different things. | Apr 20 00:15 |
| oiaohm | And take two completely different mind sets. | Apr 20 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Newspaper dying would, IMHO, be good to FOSS | Apr 20 00:15 |
| oiaohm | Anyone who sends their general coders todo it costs themselves a fortune. cubezzz | Apr 20 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Less broadcasting, more peers, bar Google et al. Good for independent voices | Apr 20 00:16 |
| oiaohm | Really most newspapers are not interesting. | Apr 20 00:16 |
| oiaohm | They have not done interesting articales in ages. | Apr 20 00:17 |
| ender2070 | if you read the article it mentions an online company which seems to be stealing the business | Apr 20 00:17 |
| cubezzz | well I also use "old" compiler on Amiga | Apr 20 00:17 |
| cubezzz | old compiler, old computer | Apr 20 00:17 |
| cubezzz | well, actually the emulator :) | Apr 20 00:17 |
| ender2070 | old computer, old compiler | Apr 20 00:17 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ash-cloud-fears-as-flights-delayed-in-canadian-airspace/article1539013/ | Apr 20 00:17 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Volcanic cloud fears lift, Canadian airspace remains open - The Globe and Mail .::. Size~: 91.53 KB | Apr 20 00:17 |
| cubezzz | I tend to keep using stuff that works | Apr 20 00:18 |
| cubezzz | or is repairable | Apr 20 00:18 |
| ender2070 | "just works" is why these people dont upgrade their skills | Apr 20 00:18 |
| ender2070 | if humans "just worked" there'd be no point in evolution | Apr 20 00:19 |
| oiaohm | coccinelle is also being used inside the Linux kernel for altering internal api's. cubezzz | Apr 20 00:19 |
| cubezzz | ender2070, one thing though... | Apr 20 00:19 |
| oiaohm | For the simple reason of man hours. cubezzz | Apr 20 00:19 |
| cubezzz | your modern hardware isn't well documented | Apr 20 00:19 |
| cubezzz | e.g. video cards... | Apr 20 00:19 |
| oiaohm | Depends on the hardware. cubezzz | Apr 20 00:19 |
| ender2070 | people are still managing to get linux running on everything | Apr 20 00:20 |
| oiaohm | Most CPU's over 95 percent documented. | Apr 20 00:20 |
| ender2070 | i haven't seen a pc it didn't boot up on in years | Apr 20 00:20 |
| oiaohm | Most Intel video cards are fully documented. | Apr 20 00:20 |
| cubezzz | I still have one 486 | Apr 20 00:20 |
| oiaohm | coreboot found a small section of x86 cpu that was not documented. | Apr 20 00:21 |
| oiaohm | And minorally scary. | Apr 20 00:21 |
| cubezzz | hmmm? | Apr 20 00:21 |
| oiaohm | That you can run a program fully inside the cpu inside its cache. | Apr 20 00:21 |
| cubezzz | people don't know their own hardware too well | Apr 20 00:21 |
| oiaohm | Ie no copy existing outside in ram. | Apr 20 00:21 |
| oiaohm | It was kinda documented. | Apr 20 00:22 |
| ender2070 | people not knowing their hardware is no excuse to stick with redhat 5.3 | Apr 20 00:22 |
| ender2070 | or whatever | Apr 20 00:22 |
| cubezzz | I'm sure Intel knows stuff we don't | Apr 20 00:22 |
| oiaohm | Ie all the functions todo it were in the manual. | Apr 20 00:22 |
| oiaohm | But how to use them in the right orders was not. | Apr 20 00:22 |
| cubezzz | the world isn't a bic lighter | Apr 20 00:22 |
| cubezzz | and neither are computers | Apr 20 00:23 |
| oiaohm | Lot more is documented than most people dream. | Apr 20 00:23 |
| cubezzz | I'm not using to use a c64 :) | Apr 20 00:23 |
| cubezzz | I'm not saying to use a c64 | Apr 20 00:23 |
| oiaohm | Most motherboard chipsets are fully documented even that it don't help you much. | Apr 20 00:23 |
| oiaohm | Thinking there are 5 different places to connect a bios chip. | Apr 20 00:23 |
| cubezzz | I don't think the firmware is documented | Apr 20 00:23 |
| cubezzz | not unless you have coreboot or something | Apr 20 00:24 |
| oiaohm | Everything the firmware is doing is documented. | Apr 20 00:24 |
| oiaohm | Most people not aware most motherboard makers don't make their firmware. | Apr 20 00:24 |
| oiaohm | They only tweek it. | Apr 20 00:24 |
| ender2070 | yes | Apr 20 00:24 |
| ender2070 | phoeonix, amibios, award | Apr 20 00:25 |
| cubezzz | well wouldn't it be nice to have your own tweaks? | Apr 20 00:25 |
| ender2070 | it is nice | Apr 20 00:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Network Solutions is having a hard time again. http://ur1.ca/vyd4 | Apr 20 00:25 | |
| ender2070 | i have some of my own | Apr 20 00:25 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Slashdot News Story | Network Solutions Sites Hacked Again .::. Size~: 108.33 KB | Apr 20 00:25 |
| oiaohm | I also have some of my own bios tweeks as well cubezzz | Apr 20 00:25 |
| cubezzz | are you using coreboot or...? | Apr 20 00:25 |
| oiaohm | You can patch on the end of a standard bios image. | Apr 20 00:26 |
| oiaohm | Then upload it into system and it works. | Apr 20 00:26 |
| ender2070 | phoenix has a bios editor for example, lets you make changes to the firmware | Apr 20 00:26 |
| cubezzz | ah nice | Apr 20 00:26 |
| oiaohm | And you can use the bios makers editors as well. | Apr 20 00:26 |
| ender2070 | ASUS, Gigabyte and a bunch of them just use tweaked bioses, and sell different "versions" with features that are simply unlocked or locked in bios | Apr 20 00:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Volcanic cloud ties Canadian planes to ground http://ur1.ca/vydi Is it mostly a problem because of the jet engines? | Apr 20 00:27 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Volcanic cloud fears lift, Canadian airspace remains open - The Globe and Mail .::. Size~: 91.5 KB | Apr 20 00:27 |
| ender2070 | so you pay $50 extra to set your memory fsb, or some shit | Apr 20 00:27 |
| cubezzz | so what is the firmware written in? | Apr 20 00:28 |
| ender2070 | flash | Apr 20 00:28 |
| oiaohm | If you mean programing language. forth is quite common. | Apr 20 00:28 |
| cubezzz | yes that's what I meant | Apr 20 00:29 |
| oiaohm | C is becoming more common. | Apr 20 00:29 |
| oiaohm | Of course not all firmwares are as openly documented as bioses. | Apr 20 00:30 |
| cubezzz | "Generally speaking, firmwares are written in C and then compiled into machine code for your drive's particular chipset. " | Apr 20 00:30 |
| cubezzz | I have the Amiga rom books, so that should be interesting | Apr 20 00:30 |
| ender2070 | I was reading some article which mentioned C was #1 again | Apr 20 00:31 |
| ender2070 | beating java | Apr 20 00:31 |
| cubezzz | I can believe it | Apr 20 00:31 |
| cubezzz | that's what I see C and C++ mostly | Apr 20 00:31 |
| ender2070 | in my area its mostly c and java jobs I see in the ads | Apr 20 00:31 |
| oiaohm | Nvidia video cards they don't document. | Apr 20 00:32 |
| oiaohm | ATI these days are mostly well documented but open source code has not caught up yet. | Apr 20 00:32 |
| ender2070 | ATI needs to start writing some of it | Apr 20 00:32 |
| oiaohm | Lot of wireless cards also have highly secretive firmware. | Apr 20 00:33 |
| oiaohm | ender2070: they have. | Apr 20 00:33 |
| ender2070 | oiaohm - american ones | Apr 20 00:33 |
| cubezzz | I have american megatrends on this box | Apr 20 00:33 |
| ender2070 | ralink is a good brand | Apr 20 00:33 |
| ender2070 | chinese company but open docs | Apr 20 00:34 |
| oiaohm | That is the hard thing for most people to get less than 10 percent of the hardware market keeps secrets. | Apr 20 00:34 |
| cubezzz | I have no clue what my scanner firmware is doing for example | Apr 20 00:34 |
| cubezzz | the SCL talks to the firmware | Apr 20 00:35 |
| ender2070 | that 10 percent is usually the ms friendly stuff too | Apr 20 00:35 |
| oiaohm | Yep and it is that 10 percent that also fails when windows updates. | Apr 20 00:35 |
| oiaohm | Opps | Apr 20 00:35 |
| ender2070 | lol | Apr 20 00:35 |
| oiaohm | upgrades | Apr 20 00:35 |
| ender2070 | dlink wifi cards | Apr 20 00:35 |
| oiaohm | Patents are the enforcement of most of hardware production. | Apr 20 00:36 |
| oiaohm | No point keep it secret since people cannot product the item without the patent anyhow. | Apr 20 00:37 |
| ender2070 | for nvidia vs ati, they dont want each other copying | Apr 20 00:37 |
| ender2070 | its not about patents | Apr 20 00:38 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Apr 20 00:38 |
| oiaohm | Remember before ATI released anything they had to check everything for patents. | Apr 20 00:38 |
| ender2070 | well actually it probably does have to do with them | Apr 20 00:38 |
| ender2070 | i dont think its the main reason though | Apr 20 00:38 |
| oiaohm | Nvidia and Microsoft both release patents with no legal right to publish. | Apr 20 00:38 |
| oiaohm | Ie you may use our patents but you cannot publish anything from our docs how todo it. | Apr 20 00:39 |
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| oiaohm | Even the patents that it refers to. | Apr 20 00:39 |
| ender2070 | i dont like amd or nvidia for that | Apr 20 00:39 |
| oiaohm | Amd is different. | Apr 20 00:39 |
| ender2070 | hardly | Apr 20 00:40 |
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| oiaohm | Amd trys to be open. | Apr 20 00:40 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Apr 20 00:40 |
| oiaohm | They do. | Apr 20 00:40 |
| oiaohm | Ok open with patents. | Apr 20 00:40 |
| ender2070 | nah they're broke | Apr 20 00:40 |
| ender2070 | they cant afford devs | Apr 20 00:40 |
| ender2070 | they cant even afford to pay for their entire shows, they require partners to make them work | Apr 20 00:40 |
| ender2070 | *require* | Apr 20 00:40 |
| ender2070 | i talked to an amd rep, i know they're broke | Apr 20 00:41 |
| oiaohm | AMD has been broke for a long time. | Apr 20 00:41 |
| ender2070 | intel retail edge, everyone walked out with their own entire pizza | Apr 20 00:41 |
| ender2070 | at amd, you're lucky to get a drink | Apr 20 00:41 |
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| cubezzz | Intel pwnes all | Apr 20 00:41 |
| ender2070 | buying ati was stupid | Apr 20 00:41 |
| ender2070 | if ruined their rep | Apr 20 00:42 |
| ender2070 | ati went around saying they had DX 10.1 cards when they didnt | Apr 20 00:42 |
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| ender2070 | it didnt even exist | Apr 20 00:42 |
| ender2070 | phenom's ruined what was left of their rep | Apr 20 00:42 |
| cubezzz | well, whatever, I'm getting off the x86 train | Apr 20 00:43 |
| ender2070 | and phenom2's are doing okay but they need real redemption | Apr 20 00:43 |
| cubezzz | so there :) | Apr 20 00:43 |
| oiaohm | ATI aquirement was kinda key. | Apr 20 00:43 |
| oiaohm | But I will give general PC market it did not do much. | Apr 20 00:44 |
| ender2070 | I was an AMD fan for a long time, i had K5, K6-2, K7, Turion, Barton 2600+, then X2 2600+ | Apr 20 00:44 |
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| Ziodotmatrix | Ender2070_: AMD is still the only one on the bloc with DX 11 and quality open source drivers | Apr 20 00:44 |
| ender2070 | then intel q6600 | Apr 20 00:44 |
| ender2070 | Ziodotmatrix - DX 11 is rubbish and i dont care about it | Apr 20 00:44 |
| ender2070 | and intel has BETTER drivers | Apr 20 00:44 |
| ender2070 | :P | Apr 20 00:44 |
| oiaohm | AMD are starting to produce some really nice SOC chips. ender2070 | Apr 20 00:44 |
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| ender2070 | oiaohm - the fusion stuff? | Apr 20 00:45 |
| oiaohm | Yep ender2070 | Apr 20 00:45 |
| ender2070 | yeah i'll admit thats awesome | Apr 20 00:45 |
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| ender2070 | but | Apr 20 00:45 |
| Ziodotmatrix | Ender2070_: Well Nvidia is still hurting from their overheating defects, the only thing they have going in the customer realm is Optimus | Apr 20 00:45 |
| oiaohm | They had to aquire ATI todo that ender2070 | Apr 20 00:45 |
| ender2070 | nvidia tegra provides a better soc w/ arm | Apr 20 00:45 |
| ender2070 | different market though I think | Apr 20 00:46 |
| oiaohm | There is a arm version in works from amd soc with ati. ender2070 | Apr 20 00:46 |
| ender2070 | i wonder if thats what nintendo will be using for 3DS | Apr 20 00:46 |
| cubezzz | looks like Sparc firmware used Forth | Apr 20 00:46 |
| Ziodotmatrix | Ender2070_: that's because AMD doesn't really compete there. But Qualcomm is givinng them a run for their money with Snapdragon, mofoin Qualcomm | Apr 20 00:46 |
| ender2070 | the SDK is supposed to be very gamecube/wii ish | Apr 20 00:47 |
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| ender2070 | Ziodotmatrix - i still wont agree that ati makes better cards, ever | Apr 20 00:47 |
| oiaohm | Qualcomm chips are fully documented. | Apr 20 00:47 |
| ender2070 | driver quality or not | Apr 20 00:47 |
| cubezzz | they used to be the best Ender2070, by far | Apr 20 00:47 |
| oiaohm | Nvidia tegra's are not. | Apr 20 00:47 |
| cubezzz | in the olden days | Apr 20 00:47 |
| ender2070 | over time my 9800GTX+ outperforms its direct competitor due to nvidias driver design | Apr 20 00:48 |
| oiaohm | Nvidia is one of the best thiefs in the hardware game. | Apr 20 00:48 |
| cubezzz | the hercules/cga card was great :) | Apr 20 00:48 |
| ender2070 | ati hardly focuses on their old cards in their drivers too | Apr 20 00:48 |
| ender2070 | only their latest cards see love | Apr 20 00:48 |
| Ziodotmatrix | Ender2070_: AMD still offers a great bang for your buck as apposed to building an Intel and Nvidia rig | Apr 20 00:48 |
| cubezzz | ATI EGA Wonder | Apr 20 00:49 |
| ender2070 | nvidia has been basing their gpu's on the g92 model for a while and the drivers didnt change too much | Apr 20 00:49 |
| Ziodotmatrix | ender2070: umm the Radeon 8500 and Catalyst? | Apr 20 00:49 |
| oiaohm | ender2070: Not exactly true open source side is focusing on the older cards. | Apr 20 00:50 |
| ender2070 | Ziodotmatrix - i dont agree | Apr 20 00:50 |
| oiaohm | AMD is trying to get it self out of having to pay per driver produced. ender2070 | Apr 20 00:50 |
| cubezzz | well coreboot is all C anyway | Apr 20 00:50 |
| cubezzz | now I just need a supported board | Apr 20 00:50 |
| ender2070 | oiaohm - yes, they want someone else to write their drivers for them | Apr 20 00:50 |
| Ziodotmatrix | Ender2070_: better for open source then rellying on tarballs | Apr 20 00:51 |
| ender2070 | like i said | Apr 20 00:51 |
| oiaohm | ender2070: Not exactly. | Apr 20 00:51 |
| ender2070 | intel is better for open source | Apr 20 00:51 |
| ender2070 | than both | Apr 20 00:51 |
| cubezzz | ok, but intel doesn't make video cards right? | Apr 20 00:51 |
| oiaohm | Amd has two driver development teams they employee ender2070 | Apr 20 00:51 |
| cubezzz | so I need to know which motherboard to get | Apr 20 00:52 |
| ender2070 | if you're talking windows, im going to say nvidia over ati, and for macosx im gonna have to say nvidia too | Apr 20 00:52 |
| oiaohm | One that maintains the closed soruce and one that works on the open source. ender2070 | Apr 20 00:52 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz- intel has a graphics chipset | Apr 20 00:52 |
| ender2070 | one team is one man big | Apr 20 00:52 |
| ender2070 | guess which one | Apr 20 00:52 |
| cubezzz | ummm | Apr 20 00:52 |
| cubezzz | don't know :) | Apr 20 00:52 |
| Ziodotmatrix | Ender2070_: Intel is a monopolistic coniving corporation that played with the idea of introducing DRM optimizing into an SoC's subroutines. | Apr 20 00:53 |
| ender2070 | the one guy in ati's basement trying to keep up with linux documentation | Apr 20 00:53 |
| oiaohm | Closed source team got reduced recently at ATI. ender2070 | Apr 20 00:53 |
| cubezzz | ahh | Apr 20 00:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Forced a upgrade from Ubuntu 9.10 to "Lucid" Beta2 on my lappy. No problems. Unfortunately the Mono crap was installed.... | Apr 20 00:53 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Fortunately this also works on Lucid: http://tinyurl.com/yhvhufl | Apr 20 00:53 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: How to remove Mono from Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala [Updated] | The Open Sourcerer .::. Size~: 127.95 KB | Apr 20 00:53 |
| oiaohm | So its two on the open source side coding at moment ender2070 | Apr 20 00:53 |
| oiaohm | Mostly because the closed source has been able to delete a block of thier code. | Apr 20 00:53 |
| ender2070 | Ziodotmatrix - AMD isnt much better, they sued intel for monopoly and took settlement money | Apr 20 00:54 |
| ender2070 | instead of actually helping consumers | Apr 20 00:54 |
| cubezzz | I don't suppose any motherboard maker ships with coreboot? | Apr 20 00:54 |
| ender2070 | imagine what people would say about opera, if they just took money instead of insisting on the browser ballot | Apr 20 00:54 |
| oiaohm | ender2070: The damage was done to AMD. ender2070 | Apr 20 00:54 |
| oiaohm | large enought that AMD might go out of business. | Apr 20 00:54 |
| oiaohm | How would less compeition help consumers. | Apr 20 00:55 |
| ender2070 | an anti trust suit? | Apr 20 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Also consumers could have also sued for damages and choose not to. | Apr 20 00:55 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - why dont you sue intel in Canada? | Apr 20 00:56 |
| oiaohm | AMD case was companies were being payed not to stock AMD and other makers of chips at all. ender2070 | Apr 20 00:56 |
| ender2070 | oiaohm - amd didnt try very hard to get cyrix some justice | Apr 20 00:56 |
| oiaohm | So how can you make profit if you cannot get your stuff on shelves. | Apr 20 00:56 |
| cubezzz | uh, sue them for what? | Apr 20 00:56 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - monopoly | Apr 20 00:56 |
| oiaohm | Intel had already settled with ibm over cyrix | Apr 20 00:56 |
| cubezzz | I have a better idea | Apr 20 00:56 |
| ender2070 | oh wait a set cubezzz | Apr 20 00:57 |
| Ziodotmatrix | oiaohm: luckily AMD holds most of the keys to x86-64 that Intel needs to license to use | Apr 20 00:57 |
| ender2070 | heres irony | Apr 20 00:57 |
| oiaohm | 10 million free chips. ender2070 | Apr 20 00:57 |
| ender2070 | intel chips are so reliable, you're p3 still works | Apr 20 00:57 |
| cubezzz | I'll email them and ask them for programming docs on intel video cards :) | Apr 20 00:57 |
| cubezzz | yeah | Apr 20 00:57 |
| ender2070 | how many working k6-3's are you gonna find | Apr 20 00:57 |
| cubezzz | probably none :) | Apr 20 00:57 |
| ender2070 | or even barton 2600+'s | Apr 20 00:57 |
| cubezzz | I have a few athlons that still work | Apr 20 00:57 |
| oiaohm | AMD could not do anything for cyrix thinking it was already settled. ender2070 | Apr 20 00:58 |
| oiaohm | Most people miss that VIA got a payout as well from the AMD settlement. ender2070 | Apr 20 00:58 |
| ender2070 | heck, people with dead 754 and 939 boards got fucked | Apr 20 00:58 |
| cubezzz | I haven't seen too many dead intel cpus I must admit | Apr 20 00:58 |
| oiaohm | My 939's are still going. | Apr 20 00:58 |
| ender2070 | when its dead, find a new one ;) | Apr 20 00:58 |
| ender2070 | well actually it would be hard now | Apr 20 00:59 |
| Ziodotmatrix | oiaohm: another casualty of Intel strongarming was DEC and Transmeta | Apr 20 00:59 |
| cubezzz | you can get cap kits or people who redo the capacitors on a mobo | Apr 20 00:59 |
| cubezzz | then my p3 system will live forever :) | Apr 20 00:59 |
| ender2070 | but it was annoying when am2 came out and fucked people who only had 939 cpu's | Apr 20 00:59 |
| ender2070 | and then they changed the socket another 3 times | Apr 20 00:59 |
| ender2070 | while intel had 775 for like 6 years | Apr 20 00:59 |
| oiaohm | Really. | Apr 20 00:59 |
| oiaohm | So you have never had 775 hell. | Apr 20 01:00 |
| ender2070 | am2, am2+ and am3 | Apr 20 01:00 |
| cubezzz | I don't like the weird power supplies | Apr 20 01:00 |
| cubezzz | like that GES or whatever it was called | Apr 20 01:00 |
| oiaohm | am2 and am2+ and am3 are pin the same. | Apr 20 01:00 |
| ender2070 | ram isn't always cheap | Apr 20 01:00 |
| oiaohm | 775 I have quite a few boards of them that will only take particular chips. | Apr 20 01:00 |
| ender2070 | oiaohm - chipset issues | Apr 20 01:01 |
| cubezzz | e.g. Thunder K7X | Apr 20 01:01 |
| ender2070 | they needed newer chipsets to support newer cpus | Apr 20 01:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] The version of Gwibber that ships with Lucid has many improvements in comparison to the (IMO) dysfunctional version of Karmic. | Apr 20 01:01 | |
| oiaohm | am2 am2+ and am3 really only marks chipset changes. | Apr 20 01:01 |
| ender2070 | they kept upping the specs | Apr 20 01:01 |
| Ziodotmatrix | oiaohm: and people wonder why building an Intel Quadcore PC is so expensive | Apr 20 01:01 |
| oiaohm | Intel don't lable the chipset changes well. | Apr 20 01:01 |
| ender2070 | my q6600 was cheap cheap | Apr 20 01:01 |
| oiaohm | So you have hell finding the right chip at times. | Apr 20 01:01 |
| ender2070 | $200 for cpu, mobo and os | Apr 20 01:02 |
| cubezzz | ah, ATX GES they called it | Apr 20 01:02 |
| cubezzz | total pain in the butt | Apr 20 01:02 |
| ender2070 | and i sold the os for like $150 or something | Apr 20 01:02 |
| oiaohm | Ie new or older than some partiuclar 775 boards don't work ender2070 | Apr 20 01:02 |
| ender2070 | retail edge ftw | Apr 20 01:02 |
| oiaohm | Basically am is basically 1 sock 3 chipset.s | Apr 20 01:02 |
| oiaohm | 775 is about 18 chipsets | Apr 20 01:02 |
| ender2070 | oiaohm - lol, yeah but 775 didnt require buying a new cpu to go from ddr2 to ddr3 | Apr 20 01:03 |
| cubezzz | why is there no ARM motherboard for desktop? | Apr 20 01:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] I also like the older version of Gthumb. Didn't like the newer version that shipped earlier with Lucid (disliked the embedded video player). | Apr 20 01:03 | |
| oiaohm | 775 yep new motherboard instead so great ender2070 | Apr 20 01:03 |
| oiaohm | What is really the difference. | Apr 20 01:03 |
| ender2070 | you could take your old 775 cpu and throw it on any 775 board | Apr 20 01:03 |
| Ziodotmatrix | cubezzz: because there is no more Acorn? :-P | Apr 20 01:03 |
| ender2070 | even newer ones | Apr 20 01:03 |
| oiaohm | Nop | Apr 20 01:04 |
| ender2070 | but you couldnt take an old am2 and throw it on an am3 board | Apr 20 01:04 |
| cubezzz | i could stick my zaurus in a bigger case :) | Apr 20 01:04 |
| ender2070 | you could throw an am3 cpu on an am2 board | Apr 20 01:04 |
| oiaohm | I have 775 boards here new that will not operate on anything no duel core. ender2070 | Apr 20 01:04 |
| oiaohm | So old works on everything nop. | Apr 20 01:04 |
| ender2070 | thats fine but it pissed people off who casually upgrade | Apr 20 01:04 |
| oiaohm | Yep | Apr 20 01:05 |
| cubezzz | upgrade hell | Apr 20 01:05 |
| oiaohm | AMD I know where I standard | Apr 20 01:05 |
| ender2070 | i had a lot of customers who upgraded their 775 first, then got a new cpu later when they could afford it | Apr 20 01:05 |
| ender2070 | the cpu is the most expensive part | Apr 20 01:05 |
| oiaohm | socket tells you straight up what will work. | Apr 20 01:05 |
| Ziodotmatrix | cubezzz: actually there are a few ARM setop boxes if that counts | Apr 20 01:05 |
| ender2070 | never forget chipsets | Apr 20 01:05 |
| cubezzz | ah yeah I forgot about those | Apr 20 01:06 |
| oiaohm | Like am3 chip go into am2 and am2+ boards. | Apr 20 01:06 |
| oiaohm | And works. | Apr 20 01:06 |
| oiaohm | am2 board might need a bios upgrade. | Apr 20 01:06 |
| ender2070 | having the wrong chipset can mean your q6600 performs like a celeron | Apr 20 01:06 |
| oiaohm | But it works. | Apr 20 01:06 |
| oiaohm | Slow but works. | Apr 20 01:06 |
| ender2070 | for intel shit like that | Apr 20 01:06 |
| ender2070 | we had an old celeron we used to do bios updates with | Apr 20 01:07 |
| ender2070 | usually fixed the problem | Apr 20 01:07 |
| ender2070 | having a fresh stock of new boards helped too | Apr 20 01:07 |
| oiaohm | Some 775 cannot go back due to voltage. | Apr 20 01:07 |
| ender2070 | umm | Apr 20 01:07 |
| oiaohm | Ie chip fries. | Apr 20 01:07 |
| ender2070 | what are you talking about | Apr 20 01:07 |
| oiaohm | First genration 775 boards. | Apr 20 01:07 |
| ender2070 | pentium 4's | Apr 20 01:08 |
| oiaohm | Cannot do low enough volatage for some of the new intel chips. | Apr 20 01:08 |
| ender2070 | sure | Apr 20 01:08 |
| ender2070 | pentium4's are the cause of global warming | Apr 20 01:08 |
| ender2070 | not us | Apr 20 01:08 |
| ender2070 | :) | Apr 20 01:08 |
| cubezzz | at least the p4 can step down | Apr 20 01:08 |
| oiaohm | 775 is sport. | Apr 20 01:08 |
| cubezzz | it's not always running 100% | Apr 20 01:08 |
| ender2070 | step down to volcanic | Apr 20 01:08 |
| oiaohm | AMD cleanly spit the socket on voltage change. | Apr 20 01:09 |
| cubezzz | ok, so which cpu is the best now? | Apr 20 01:09 |
| ender2070 | then they went mad, and threw two pentium 4's into one, the pentium d | Apr 20 01:09 |
| cubezzz | or this there no best? | Apr 20 01:09 |
| oiaohm | Ie you cannot screw up. | Apr 20 01:09 |
| ender2070 | horrific, piece of shit | Apr 20 01:09 |
| ender2070 | that thing though, during the winter, kept my room warm | Apr 20 01:09 |
| oiaohm | Basically I don't mind amd change from 939 and 940 to am set. | Apr 20 01:09 |
| oiaohm | It was the correct place todo the change. | Apr 20 01:10 |
| ender2070 | heres the scam | Apr 20 01:10 |
| oiaohm | Intel reallly has kept the same socket for far too long. | Apr 20 01:10 |
| ender2070 | 940 is am2 | Apr 20 01:10 |
| oiaohm | No its not. | Apr 20 01:10 |
| ender2070 | oh buddy yes it is | Apr 20 01:10 |
| oiaohm | 940 did not have the voltage range. | Apr 20 01:11 |
| oiaohm | Its a eletrical split reason ender2070 | Apr 20 01:11 |
| ender2070 | the extra pin is ecc | Apr 20 01:11 |
| ender2070 | for the memory controller | Apr 20 01:12 |
| oiaohm | am2 and 940 contain the same pins different order. am2 supports broader range of cpu voltages than the 940 socket ever did. | Apr 20 01:12 |
| oiaohm | Ie not being able to insert prevents power frieing of chips. | Apr 20 01:13 |
| oiaohm | Its the correct reason to change a chip socket. ender2070 | Apr 20 01:13 |
| ender2070 | I already know that the extra pin was for the memory controller | Apr 20 01:14 |
| ender2070 | pins have different pinouts in spacers on the bottom? | Apr 20 01:14 |
| oiaohm | Note amd have internal memory controller | Apr 20 01:15 |
| oiaohm | So what is the ecc for. | Apr 20 01:15 |
| oiaohm | Its for cpu to cpu. | Apr 20 01:15 |
| ender2070 | its not cpu to cpu for one | Apr 20 01:15 |
| oiaohm | Reason why 939 does not have it. | Apr 20 01:15 |
| oiaohm | am2 don't support external memory controller. ender2070 | Apr 20 01:16 |
| ender2070 | just because its internal doesnt mean it bypasses the memory | Apr 20 01:16 |
| ender2070 | how do you get data into the cpu | Apr 20 01:16 |
| oiaohm | The ecc ram works in 939 | Apr 20 01:17 |
| oiaohm | There are 2 ecc pin. | Apr 20 01:17 |
| Ziodotmatrix | cubezzz: every platform or architecture has it's pros and cons. However they're starting to blur due to RISC and CISC intruction sets being combined as well as the bulk of processing being moved to the GPU, DSP or some other SoC. I guess APIs becoming more abstract is one reason. | Apr 20 01:17 |
| ender2070 | my friend is going to check the voltage on his fx-51 | Apr 20 01:17 |
| oiaohm | Some could be socket mod into am2. | Apr 20 01:18 |
| oiaohm | Some cannot ender2070 | Apr 20 01:18 |
| oiaohm | Yes I know a socket mod card is nasty. | Apr 20 01:19 |
| ender2070 | 08:05:32 pm) Chris: i dont think there are such thing as 939 boards with reg ecc memory | Apr 20 01:20 |
| ender2070 | (08:05:36 pm) Chris: the pinout for the ram is d ifferent even | Apr 20 01:20 |
| ender2070 | (08:06:27 pm) Chris: so how does this fanboy explain socket 754? | Apr 20 01:20 |
| ender2070 | (08:06:39 pm) Chris: w/AGP and DDR1 | Apr 20 01:20 |
| oiaohm | 939 chips are mayday chips for 940 boards. | Apr 20 01:21 |
| oiaohm | Ie 939 works perfectly inserted into a 940 board. | Apr 20 01:21 |
| oiaohm | Yes my 939 is sitting in a 940 board with ecc ram and operating it completely. | Apr 20 01:22 |
| ender2070 | (08:08:19 pm) Chris: why do the 940 chips require registered ram | Apr 20 01:22 |
| oiaohm | 754 amd never agreed with. They were just cheeper production. | Apr 20 01:23 |
| ender2070 | (08:08:26 pm) Chris: that's a load of shit | Apr 20 01:23 |
| ender2070 | (08:08:30 pm) Chris: i've got a 939 chip and a 940 board | Apr 20 01:23 |
| ender2070 | (08:08:33 pm) Chris: they do not work together | Apr 20 01:23 |
| ender2070 | (08:08:42 pm) Chris: SHOW ME THIS | Apr 20 01:23 |
| oiaohm | Any system running multiable cpu registered ram is kinda required. | Apr 20 01:24 |
| ender2070 | (08:09:16 pm) Chris: ask him why my asus board doesn't have any dual core CPU's on the CPU support list if i could flash the bios and throw in a 939 | Apr 20 01:24 |
| ender2070 | (08:09:46 pm) Chris: is he saying that you can take an AMD Athlon Socket 939 and put it into a previous generation 940 board | Apr 20 01:24 |
| oiaohm | 939 and 940 are the same generation. | Apr 20 01:25 |
| oiaohm | I had a 940 server single core boards. Beaware. some of the asus duel socket 940 only start up with 2 chips in. | Apr 20 01:26 |
| oiaohm | What is a ass hole. | Apr 20 01:26 |
| oiaohm | 939 cannot sync up due to the missing pin. | Apr 20 01:26 |
| ender2070 | (08:12:48 pm) Chris: got myself an SK8V right infront of me | Apr 20 01:27 |
| ender2070 | (08:12:57 pm) Chris: SINGLE socket 940 | Apr 20 01:27 |
| ender2070 | (08:12:59 pm) Chris: tell him | Apr 20 01:27 |
| ender2070 | http://www.ixbt.com/mainboard/asus/sk8n-sk8v/sk8v-board.jpg | Apr 20 01:27 |
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| ender2070 | (08:13:36 pm) Chris: lol im going to try to put a 939 chip in it right now | Apr 20 01:27 |
| oiaohm | http://tech.icrontic.com/articles/socket_940_vs_939/ FX-53 was released as 939 or 940 | Apr 20 01:29 |
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| oiaohm | And its regiestered ram either way no issues. | Apr 20 01:30 |
| oiaohm | The extra pin has nothing todo with ram. | Apr 20 01:30 |
| oiaohm | Yes one of those great myths that get started. ender2070 | Apr 20 01:31 |
| ender2070 | (08:17:06 pm) Chris: its not registered ram either way he's wrong | Apr 20 01:31 |
| ender2070 | (08:17:13 pm) Chris: registered ram won't even fit in a DDR1 slot | Apr 20 01:31 |
| ender2070 | (08:17:16 pm) Chris: its not the same pinout ont hebottom | Apr 20 01:31 |
| oiaohm | Some 940 boards have registered ram slots so don't. | Apr 20 01:32 |
| ender2070 | (08:19:04 pm) Chris: http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=46&type=expert | Apr 20 01:33 |
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| ender2070 | (08:19:09 pm) Chris: u can't | Apr 20 01:33 |
| ender2070 | (08:19:16 pm) Chris: he doesn't know what he's talking about | Apr 20 01:33 |
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| ender2070 | (08:19:27 pm) Chris: the 939 FX-53 and the 940 FX-53 are different CPU's with the same clock speed | Apr 20 01:34 |
| ender2070 | (08:19:36 pm) Chris: tell him to show me a 940 board that doesn't | Apr 20 01:34 |
| ender2070 | (08:19:56 pm) Chris: The Athlon 64 FX-53 in the 939-pin package is indeed just that. The majority of the processors specifications remain unchanged. What does change is noted in blue text below. | Apr 20 01:34 |
| ender2070 | FX-53 (939) | Apr 20 01:35 |
| ender2070 | - L1 Cache: 128 KB | Apr 20 01:35 |
| ender2070 | - L2 Cache: 1 MB | Apr 20 01:35 |
| ender2070 | - Frequency: 2.4 GHz | Apr 20 01:35 |
| ender2070 | - Memory: 128-bit (dual channel) | Apr 20 01:35 |
| ender2070 | - Memory Type: Unbuffered, unregistered memory | Apr 20 01:35 |
| ender2070 | - HyperTransport: 2 GHz | Apr 20 01:35 |
| ender2070 | - Packaging: 939-p | Apr 20 01:35 |
| ender2070 | [20:21] <ender2070> - Memory Type: Unbuffered, unregistered memory | Apr 20 01:35 |
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| oiaohm | I hate generations of stuff at times. | Apr 20 01:40 |
| ender2070 | lol | Apr 20 01:41 |
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| cubezzz | then we all agree... Amiga was the best :) | Apr 20 01:42 |
| oiaohm | I really should have read my sever motherboard book first. ender2070 | Apr 20 01:42 |
| oiaohm | It was just sitting on the shelf above computer. | Apr 20 01:43 |
| ender2070 | its ok | Apr 20 01:43 |
| oiaohm | The thing has a warped plug in it. | Apr 20 01:43 |
| ender2070 | this guy knows his shit | Apr 20 01:43 |
| oiaohm | I normally do but my old machine mixed me up. | Apr 20 01:43 |
| cubezzz | computers should be durable | Apr 20 01:43 |
| ender2070 | he modded a q6600 by shorting two pins, the same thing intel does internally | Apr 20 01:44 |
| ender2070 | but he did it on the outside | Apr 20 01:44 |
| ender2070 | to configure it to a quad core 3.0ghz | Apr 20 01:44 |
| oiaohm | The socket in it is odd. | Apr 20 01:44 |
| oiaohm | Ie 939/940 duel mode. | Apr 20 01:44 |
| oiaohm | It was build for the unlikely event the 940 chip failed and all you had on hand was a 939. | Apr 20 01:45 |
| ender2070 | what board is that | Apr 20 01:46 |
| oiaohm | Custom. X server farm. | Apr 20 01:48 |
| oiaohm | It a gigabyte but look it up online will not help you at all. | Apr 20 01:49 |
| ender2070 | gigabyte, im not surprised | Apr 20 01:50 |
| ender2070 | they always make retarded shit like that | Apr 20 01:50 |
| oiaohm | But its a good solid board | Apr 20 01:51 |
| ender2070 | i always hated the "transition" boards | Apr 20 01:52 |
| ender2070 | funky chipsets half the time | Apr 20 01:52 |
| cubezzz | it's always transitional ;) | Apr 20 01:52 |
| cubezzz | never stops changing | Apr 20 01:52 |
| ender2070 | oh, funniest thing I had a customer do was try to force a DDR2 chip into his DDR1 socket | Apr 20 01:52 |
| ender2070 | and fry his socket, and the ram | Apr 20 01:52 |
| ender2070 | bam | Apr 20 01:52 |
| ender2070 | lol | Apr 20 01:52 |
| ender2070 | the hardest thing there was trying not to laugh | Apr 20 01:53 |
| oiaohm | From memory there is no real eletronics to the 939 and 940 duel socket. Ie just wire pins right. | Apr 20 01:56 |
| ender2070 | schestowitz - you'll love this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iK2jHDZdG8 | Apr 20 02:00 |
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| ender2070 | (08:49:51 pm) Chris: i was actually interested in what he was saying right up until he told me to put a 939 chip in my 940 board | Apr 20 02:04 |
| ender2070 | (08:49:53 pm) Chris: thats a bad idea | Apr 20 02:04 |
| ender2070 | later guys | Apr 20 02:05 |
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| cubezzz | could OS/2 come back from the grave? :) | Apr 20 02:18 |
| oiaohm | OS/2 is not exactly dead yet. cubezzz | Apr 20 02:20 |
| cubezzz | linuxtoday.com has an interesting article about it | Apr 20 02:21 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EComStation People like to forget this exists. | Apr 20 02:21 |
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| oiaohm | Basically OS/2 changed it name cubezzz | Apr 20 02:22 |
| cubezzz | didn't have enough developers developers developers I guess | Apr 20 02:23 |
| oiaohm | If eComStation goes under and it source base gets opened up OS/2 could be back. | Apr 20 02:23 |
| cubezzz | it could | Apr 20 02:24 |
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| oiaohm | Basically just a little soon to be giving OS/2 it last rights. | Apr 20 02:24 |
| oiaohm | Only looks completely toast because people are looking at OS/2 warp that was pre eComSatation so OS/2 Warp is too unmaintained to bring back. | Apr 20 02:25 |
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| fourscore | Oracle is now going to charge $90 for the ODF plugin for MsOffice | Apr 20 02:27 |
| fourscore | see http://www.sun.com/software/star/odf_plugin/ for the new licensing terms | Apr 20 02:27 |
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| oiaohm | Fair enough fourscore | Apr 20 02:32 |
| oiaohm | Thinking that MS Office 2010 partly will support ODF out box fourscore | Apr 20 02:34 |
| oiaohm | http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/25070/ | Apr 20 02:36 |
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| fourscore | what is next $? for Open Office | Apr 20 02:38 |
| cubezzz | I have my old discs :) | Apr 20 02:38 |
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| oiaohm | fourscore: They do change for StarOffice so they already do have a cash arm of OpenOffice | Apr 20 02:40 |
| oiaohm | So no need to change for OpenOffice. fourscore | Apr 20 02:40 |
| oiaohm | Remember at first the only way to get the MS Office plugin for ODF from sun was to buy StarOffice fourscore | Apr 20 02:43 |
| fourscore | i don't recall that. The plugin was always a free download. from the first version. | Apr 20 02:48 |
| ThistleWeb | I thought it was always free of charge too | Apr 20 02:50 |
| Ender2070_ | that doesnt even make sense | Apr 20 02:52 |
| Ender2070_ | <oiaohm> Only looks completely toast because people are looking at OS/2 warp that was pre eComSatation so OS/2 Warp is too unmaintained to bring back. | Apr 20 02:55 |
| Ender2070_ | that and like, drivers | Apr 20 02:55 |
| oiaohm | eComSatation has current drivers. Ender2070_ | Apr 20 02:55 |
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| Ender2070_ | oh yeah? | Apr 20 02:57 |
| Ender2070_ | wifi too? | Apr 20 02:58 |
| Ender2070_ | trust me im an os/2 lover | Apr 20 02:58 |
| Ender2070_ | it was the first alternative to windows I ever knew of before 1999 | Apr 20 02:59 |
| Ender2070_ | i got a copy of warp4 sitting on my shelf | Apr 20 02:59 |
| Ender2070_ | i got a full version of 1.2 ecomstation from an ibm employee | Apr 20 02:59 |
| oiaohm | wifi not sure never use it that way. | Apr 20 03:01 |
| Ender2070_ | i had warp3 too but I sold it for a 16x cd room drive back in the day | Apr 20 03:04 |
| Ender2070_ | cd rom | Apr 20 03:04 |
| Ender2070_ | i didnt miss the 50ish floppy disks | Apr 20 03:04 |
| Ender2070_ | ran on my 386SX 16Mhz pc with 8mb ram | Apr 20 03:06 |
| oiaohm | Really I would not mind OS/2 back as open source. | Apr 20 03:09 |
| oiaohm | Force some of these Linux distrobutions to cut some flab | Apr 20 03:10 |
| Ender2070_ | it would be awesome | Apr 20 03:11 |
| Ender2070_ | haiku might do that too though | Apr 20 03:11 |
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| Ender2070_ | http://www.haiku-os.org | Apr 20 03:37 |
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| oiaohm | Be OS | Apr 20 03:38 |
| oiaohm | Basically. | Apr 20 03:38 |
| Ender2070_ | yeah | Apr 20 03:38 |
| Ender2070_ | very lightweight though | Apr 20 03:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] The Redmond devil is accused of promoting sexism in the advertisements of their new disgusting Kin phone. http://tinyurl.com/y3tsxnb | Apr 20 03:39 | |
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| DaemonFC | bullshit | Apr 20 03:50 |
| DaemonFC | some Christian Evangelists bitch and the company reels back | Apr 20 03:50 |
| DaemonFC | as usual | Apr 20 03:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@EmergentOrder .@Halibutron Of course, even earlier #Dow was also responsible for the Agent Orange used in #Vietnam // and later, #Bhopal | Apr 20 03:53 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] grep -v formspring < @twitter # really | Apr 20 03:55 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Dear #Apple there is a design flaw in your magsafe adapters, not enough strain relief in cable. 2 ppl i know had cable shorts, v. dangerous | Apr 20 03:57 | |
| DaemonFC | I started a project out on the front lawn | Apr 20 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | tearing apart an old flower box that some jackass put in 20 years ago that's now rotting | Apr 20 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | 5-6 hours of tearing out stakes and hauling up boards, it's out | Apr 20 04:00 |
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| Ender2070_ | awesome | Apr 20 04:15 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Ridiculous petty, opportunistic #crime here. Missing: rotting back door mat & a small,otherwise useless, block of wood to prop the door (?!) | Apr 20 04:23 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Could be worse. Oh, it *was* worse - in 2001, house burgled. #NotJustFirstWorldProblems | Apr 20 04:25 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] I mean really. Who'd steal a rotting door mat? Almost funny. | Apr 20 04:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] It's disturbing though. Like somebody is running an ssh dictionary attack on my back door. Firewall definitely overdue. | Apr 20 04:32 | |
| cubezzz | what do you know... geoworks is still around | Apr 20 04:35 |
| Ender2070_ | cubezzz | Apr 20 04:35 |
| Ender2070_ | write an os! | Apr 20 04:35 |
| cubezzz | that would be hard core :) | Apr 20 04:36 |
| cubezzz | http://www.breadbox.com/ | Apr 20 04:36 |
| Ender2070_ | yes | Apr 20 04:36 |
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| cubezzz | I'm surprised at what is still around | Apr 20 04:36 |
| Ender2070_ | oh really | Apr 20 04:37 |
| cubezzz | yes, breadbox is a surprise | Apr 20 04:37 |
| Ender2070_ | http://www.calmira.de/ | Apr 20 04:37 |
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| Ender2070_ | SAD | Apr 20 04:38 |
| Ender2070_ | http://www.calmira.de/screenshots/chris_p2.htm | Apr 20 04:38 |
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| cubezzz | ugh | Apr 20 04:38 |
| cubezzz | I don't what that :) | Apr 20 04:38 |
| cubezzz | I had to look | Apr 20 04:38 |
| cubezzz | I don't want that | Apr 20 04:38 |
| cubezzz | damn, there's even a paypal button | Apr 20 04:38 |
| Ender2070_ | http://www.calmira.de/screenshots/pcfreak1.htm | Apr 20 04:39 |
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| cubezzz | old operating systems never die :) | Apr 20 04:39 |
| Ender2070_ | lol | Apr 20 04:39 |
| Ender2070_ | i used calmira | Apr 20 04:39 |
| Ender2070_ | like back in 1996 | Apr 20 04:39 |
| cubezzz | is it open source at least? | Apr 20 04:40 |
| Ender2070_ | no | Apr 20 04:40 |
| cubezzz | lol | Apr 20 04:40 |
| Ender2070_ | its just a shell for windows 3.11 | Apr 20 04:40 |
| cubezzz | wow, that's just soooo crappy | Apr 20 04:40 |
| Ender2070_ | replaces progman | Apr 20 04:40 |
| Ender2070_ | i'd rather run win95 on the pentium's they have | Apr 20 04:40 |
| Ender2070_ | if it had to be windows | Apr 20 04:40 |
| Ender2070_ | sure you could get something way better than 3.11 on a pentium 1 with 16mb ram | Apr 20 04:41 |
| Ender2070_ | im glad ur not this bad | Apr 20 04:41 |
| cubezzz | ok, maybe I won't write my own OS... but at the very least I'm not running doze :) | Apr 20 04:41 |
| Ender2070_ | lol | Apr 20 04:41 |
| cubezzz | I hated windows 2.0 | Apr 20 04:42 |
| cubezzz | that's even older | Apr 20 04:42 |
| cubezzz | AmigaDOS was OK | Apr 20 04:42 |
| cubezzz | I think running Linux on Amiga hardware would be good | Apr 20 04:43 |
| cubezzz | or NetBSD | Apr 20 04:43 |
| cubezzz | Linux on the panasonic toughbook was probably my best experience so far | Apr 20 04:44 |
| Ender2070_ | to be honest | Apr 20 04:44 |
| Ender2070_ | i like linux but netbsd is probably your best bet | Apr 20 04:45 |
| Ender2070_ | for the amiga | Apr 20 04:45 |
| Ender2070_ | netbsd just runs on everything | Apr 20 04:45 |
| Ender2070_ | even dreamcast | Apr 20 04:45 |
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| cubezzz | I can get a zaurus C3000 for $300 | Apr 20 04:45 |
| cubezzz | so there's a lot of ways to go | Apr 20 04:46 |
| cubezzz | the prob with zaurus is no docs | Apr 20 04:46 |
| cubezzz | no books | Apr 20 04:46 |
| cubezzz | on the other hand, amiga has tons of books and docs | Apr 20 04:46 |
| cubezzz | so for me, it's the hardware first that must be considered carefully | Apr 20 04:47 |
| cubezzz | I don't want a silly reverse engineering project | Apr 20 04:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@H_FJ I think #Gizmodo's been pranked. I really do. #iPhone4 // unless it's another cheap #China knockoff plus some wishful thinking | Apr 20 04:49 | |
| Ender2070_ | lol | Apr 20 04:49 |
| cubezzz | Amiga is probably the best machine for hacking | Apr 20 04:49 |
| Ender2070_ | reverse engineering is fun! | Apr 20 04:49 |
| cubezzz | I did that on the hp 4470C | Apr 20 04:50 |
| cubezzz | it was not fun | Apr 20 04:50 |
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| cubezzz | Sharp was quasi-open | Apr 20 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070_: I salvaged some board that were in good shape and plan to reconstruct the front of what was the flower pot with them | Apr 20 04:52 |
| cubezzz | I'm still not sure what to do about the video card situation | Apr 20 04:52 |
| cubezzz | I even talked to the nouveau guys about it | Apr 20 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | \I then plan to take a bunch of dirt and level out the yard with where the flowerpot was, and plant grass seeds | Apr 20 04:52 |
| cubezzz | they said go with Intel | Apr 20 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | that way we just have a nice elevated front yard that doesn't grow weeds in the "flower pot" | Apr 20 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | not a mowing obstacle | Apr 20 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | keep the elevated front lawn | Apr 20 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | and I'm only out $5 for some grass seed B-) | Apr 20 04:53 |
| cubezzz | the radeon driver is open yes? | Apr 20 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | more or less | Apr 20 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | mostly less | Apr 20 04:56 |
| Ender2070_ | yeah but then you gotta use ati | Apr 20 04:56 |
| cubezzz | with 3d acceleration too I think | Apr 20 04:57 |
| Ender2070_ | intel does | Apr 20 04:57 |
| cubezzz | yes, since blockout needs it to work | Apr 20 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: ATI users have a clusterfuck | Apr 20 04:57 |
| cubezzz | eh? | Apr 20 04:57 |
| cubezzz | what do you mean? | Apr 20 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | the ATI FGLRX driver has good OpenGL support and most of it is hardware and optimized | Apr 20 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | but 2d is slower and KMS doesn't work | Apr 20 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | and Compiz acts up | Apr 20 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | the open source driver gives you KMS, faster 2d, smooth Compiz, but the OpenGL stops at 2.0 | Apr 20 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | and a lot of it is generic and not optimized for ATI cards | Apr 20 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | (Mesa) | Apr 20 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | some of it runs in software even though the card is capable | Apr 20 04:59 |
| cubezzz | well it will improve over time I'm sure | Apr 20 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | so you are faced with serious, almost opposite problems whichever way you go | Apr 20 04:59 |
| cubezzz | Ok, so my laptop is totally FOSS, yay | Apr 20 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | lots of apps won't run without at least OpenGL 2.1 | Apr 20 05:00 |
| cubezzz | like what? | Apr 20 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | which Mesa doesn't provide | Apr 20 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | Sauerbraten | Apr 20 05:00 |
| cubezzz | dude, remember I'm thinking of going Amiga | Apr 20 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | most games in Wine | Apr 20 05:00 |
| cubezzz | a couple games not working doesn't worry me :) | Apr 20 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | on Windows, I already have OpenGL 3.3 support | Apr 20 05:01 |
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| DaemonFC | you'll see that in Mesa in about 2-3 years | Apr 20 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | Mesa takes forever to bump OpenGL version | Apr 20 05:02 |
| cubezzz | I'll program my own 3d | Apr 20 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | they're stuck in early 2006 right now | Apr 20 05:02 |
| cubezzz | you are totally barking up the wrong tree here :) | Apr 20 05:02 |
| cubezzz | Compiz doesn't matter one bit to me | Apr 20 05:03 |
| cubezzz | hell, I might even program my own OS | Apr 20 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | use that OS that's all assembly | Apr 20 05:03 |
| cubezzz | which one? | Apr 20 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | minuet | Apr 20 05:04 |
| cubezzz | even Tripos was BCPL I think | Apr 20 05:04 |
| cubezzz | I spent a lot of time learning to program for X though | Apr 20 05:04 |
| cubezzz | and I have most of the books :) | Apr 20 05:05 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, a proprietary OS? I think not | Apr 20 05:06 |
| cubezzz | interesting though | Apr 20 05:06 |
| cubezzz | if I used MeuetOS I would be totally locked into x86-land | Apr 20 05:07 |
| cubezzz | wait a sec, Menuet32 is under GPL | Apr 20 05:08 |
| cubezzz | wow, that is trippy | Apr 20 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | https://fpdirect-40.fpdirect.com/ezbookpc/order.php | Apr 20 05:28 |
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| DaemonFC | cubezzz: You know you want it :) | Apr 20 05:28 |
| DaemonFC | $179 and Windows CE :) | Apr 20 05:29 |
| cubezzz | usb 1.0, arm 266 mhz | Apr 20 05:34 |
| cubezzz | pretty slow | Apr 20 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Apr 20 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | Windows CE which isn't Windows or Linux compatible | Apr 20 05:35 |
| cubezzz | seriously I may as well get the Amiga 1200 and have fun for about the same money | Apr 20 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | sign me up :p | Apr 20 05:35 |
| cubezzz | well I think it's hackable | Apr 20 05:35 |
| cubezzz | people have put slack on it I think | Apr 20 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | well, probably | Apr 20 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | but it wouldn't make a particularly good Linux netbook either | Apr 20 05:36 |
| DaemonFC | even considering the price | Apr 20 05:36 |
| cubezzz | http://cyclist.tk/ | Apr 20 05:36 |
| DaemonFC | they'd really have to get it down to $100-125 before I'd even think about buying one | Apr 20 05:36 |
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| cubezzz | the price isn't terrible | Apr 20 05:36 |
| DaemonFC | well, they're hoping you'll see the cheap price and not understand you're getting shitty hardware and an even shittier OS | Apr 20 05:37 |
| DaemonFC | CE will even have XP users pissed | Apr 20 05:37 |
| cubezzz | X on the ezbook would suck :) | Apr 20 05:37 |
| DaemonFC | as per usual, Microsoft gets an OS of theirs to "tolerable" right in time to EOL it | Apr 20 05:38 |
| cubezzz | but it would it be good on the Amiga 1200 with acceleration? dunno | Apr 20 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | XP isn't that bad after 9+ years of patches | Apr 20 05:38 |
| cubezzz | what is the alternative to X? there's qtopia... | Apr 20 05:38 |
| cubezzz | no XP sucked too | Apr 20 05:38 |
| cubezzz | it was a memory pig | Apr 20 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | the x64 version's not bad | Apr 20 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | other than the terrible 3rd party support for it | Apr 20 05:39 |
| cubezzz | I ran it on 512meg and it sucked | Apr 20 05:39 |
| cubezzz | end of story | Apr 20 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | and the fact that Microsoft has arbitrarily set a flag on the Windows Live installers blacklisting it | Apr 20 05:39 |
| cubezzz | the zaurus was better even | Apr 20 05:40 |
| cubezzz | I could buy another toughbook I guess | Apr 20 05:40 |
| cubezzz | but that had Pentium 4 M | Apr 20 05:40 |
| cubezzz | which at least ran good on 512 meg of ram | Apr 20 05:41 |
| cubezzz | may as wel check ebay again and see what the prices are | Apr 20 05:42 |
| cubezzz | so far I still like the Amiga 1200 idea the best | Apr 20 05:42 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, there's lots of EZbooks on ebay for cheap | Apr 20 05:44 |
| cubezzz | you could probably get one for $125 shipped | Apr 20 05:44 |
| cubezzz | less that that maybe | Apr 20 05:45 |
| cubezzz | $100 even :) | Apr 20 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | $100 or less would make it irresistible even if I couldn't perform a Windows CE exorcism on it :P | Apr 20 05:46 |
| cubezzz | why so cheap though, hmmm | Apr 20 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | ? | Apr 20 05:47 |
| cubezzz | there's amd k6 version | Apr 20 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | it's a netbook, it's not worth much to me | Apr 20 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | my laptop from 2004 is faster | Apr 20 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | the problem is the laptop sucks the battery down quickly | Apr 20 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | and it's much bulkier | Apr 20 05:48 |
| cubezzz | you want ARM based then | Apr 20 05:48 |
| cubezzz | not the pig cpu | Apr 20 05:48 |
| Ender2070_ | i want middle ground | Apr 20 05:49 |
| Ender2070_ | i want a decent cpu and decent battery | Apr 20 05:49 |
| DaemonFC | speaking of batteries, that e-bike gets me about 10-11 miles per | Apr 20 05:49 |
| DaemonFC | I guess the 15 figure was some Chinese guy weighed 140 pounds | Apr 20 05:49 |
| DaemonFC | riding it around on perfectly flat pavement, no obstructions, no headwinds | Apr 20 05:50 |
| DaemonFC | til the battery was dead | Apr 20 05:50 |
| DaemonFC | peddling along with it gets you a few more miles | Apr 20 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | maybe that was part of their calculation | Apr 20 05:51 |
| cubezzz | hey, I bet if you were to pedal all the time it would even last longer :) | Apr 20 05:54 |
| cubezzz | how many miles per big mac? | Apr 20 05:54 |
| cubezzz | I can use the zaurus sl-5500 for ebook | Apr 20 05:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Missing some place or somebody is a reassuring affirmation of one's sentiments. | Apr 20 05:56 | |
| cubezzz | damn, the amiga prices are going up | Apr 20 05:57 |
| cubezzz | $600 for a 4000 | Apr 20 05:57 |
| cubezzz | better to get the Amiga 1200 refurb and upgrade it later | Apr 20 05:59 |
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| DaemonFC | cubezzz: I get plenty of exercise | Apr 20 06:14 |
| DaemonFC | that fucking flower pot thing about killed me | Apr 20 06:14 |
| DaemonFC | why do you think it took 5 hours? | Apr 20 06:14 |
| DaemonFC | out there beating it apart with a hammer and pulling stakes out of the ground with pliers | Apr 20 06:15 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 20 06:15 |
| DaemonFC | I saved the stakes so I can use and secure the boards I found worth saving | Apr 20 06:16 |
| DaemonFC | I think I'll sandwich them in with dirt if I don't have enough :D | Apr 20 06:16 |
| Ender2070_ | nah admit it; they are for dracula | Apr 20 06:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @Arunuik: todays hindu: #UIDAI to target construction workers and make DB avail 2 cons companies 4 effective res management. #uid | Apr 20 06:22 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @privacyint: RT @sunil_abraham: India 's UID And The Fantasy Of Dataveillance http://bit.ly/d9s6YM #uid | Apr 20 06:23 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @privacyint: RT @sunil_abraham: Indian #UID is an invasion of privacy: Experts http://bit.ly/bNUGrZ | Apr 20 06:24 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #NorthStormHosting sucks! Friend's sites down for days, no feedback, explanation, or fix. Total failure of service! Avoid this company! | Apr 20 06:51 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @deepakurup: Wah! MuST Read! How to feed your billionaires http://bit.ly/cQOS0v P Sainath on dirt stacked up beneath IPL | Apr 20 06:58 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @Arunuik: #UID and #PDS on the #UIDAI site (PDFdoc): http://tinyurl.com/yypsm4e : wont 20% of UIDs 150kcr help revamp PDS? | Apr 20 06:58 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] That bowl of #granola, banana, grapes, kiwi, and yoghurt was fantastic, if seven hours after breakfast time. | Apr 20 07:09 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Network Solutions hacked. Again. http://ur1.ca/vxq8 #douchebags | Apr 20 07:18 | |
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| schestowitz | Ender2070_:hilarious show | Apr 20 07:20 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Answering a 190-year old astronomical question http://ur1.ca/vzug !science | Apr 20 07:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Afghan detainees given over to systematic torture by #Canada - &now #UK & #NATO nations also charged http://bit.ly/9h657O #cia #iraq #harper | Apr 20 07:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] In a perfect world, Afghan #torture scandal wd be enough to bring down & forever taint Harper &his ilk #canada #cdnpoli http://bit.ly/9h657O | Apr 20 07:30 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Allegations of British complicity in detainee #torture were first raised by Amnesty International in a 2007 report http://bit.ly/9h657O #uk | Apr 20 07:31 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Detainee-torture allegations spread to Britain - The Globe and Mail .::. Size~: 90.03 KB | Apr 20 07:31 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] IE8's XSS Filter Exposes Sites To XSS Attacks http://ur1.ca/vzuw #douchebags | Apr 20 07:33 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Slashdot Technology Story | IE8's XSS Filter Exposes Sites To XSS Attacks .::. Size~: 70.68 KB | Apr 20 07:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] lawyers say dossiers prove #torture: electrocution,whipping,beating w/cables,stress positions&sleep deprivation http://bit.ly/9h657O #harper | Apr 20 07:33 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Detainee-torture allegations spread to Britain - The Globe and Mail .::. Size~: 90.03 KB | Apr 20 07:33 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Wall Street is not "too big for jail." We need a CRIMINAL investigation of Goldman Sachs http://bit.ly/9lOU8U | Apr 20 07:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Dear paused #VLC, do I really need to `kill -STOP` you sipping 15% of my #cpu while you do nothing? Oh, I do? | Apr 20 07:44 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Pity JG isn't around to see the volcano that brought civilisation to its knees (cc @ballardian) #Eyjafjallajökull | Apr 20 07:46 | |
| *DaemonFC (~none@c-69-245-224-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net) has left #boycottnovell | Apr 20 07:51 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Caught up with @sramji today - good times. :-) | Apr 20 07:51 | |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: "Sorry, there was an error. Please try again in a little bit." | Apr 20 07:51 |
| schestowitz | Looks like a petition | Apr 20 07:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Forgot to tweet earlier, I passed my driving test today! The tester asked what I did and I am now sending him an Ubuntu CD too. :-) | Apr 20 07:52 | |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: it is | Apr 20 07:52 |
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| Ender2070_ | [02:07] <schestowitz> Ender2070_:hilarious show | Apr 20 07:58 |
| Ender2070_ | what | Apr 20 07:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @CyberActivism: Interviewed on Al Jazeera: Social Media, Soft Power, & American Em... http://bit.ly/9A8dF1 | Apr 20 08:05 | |
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| schestowitz | Ender2070_: it took me a minute to be sure it was satire of Republican shows | Apr 20 08:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Chuck Norris does everything in a transaction, so if he makes a mistake, he can roll back the universe and it never happened. #sql #nerdery | Apr 20 08:09 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/04/15/online-shoppers-unknowingly-sold-souls/ | Apr 20 08:09 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: FOXNews.com - 7,500 Online Shoppers Unknowingly Sold Their Souls .::. Size~: 100.79 KB | Apr 20 08:09 |
| Ender2070_ | lol | Apr 20 08:10 |
| Ender2070_ | http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/apr/11/bbc-envirotrade-robin-birley-mozambique | Apr 20 08:11 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Carbon credit documentary should not have been shown, BBC admits |Media |The Observer .::. Size~: 75.41 KB | Apr 20 08:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @manyko2 @dmf71 Mil Cntrctr In Afghanistan Can't Account For Millions Of $$ http://tinyurl.com/y6za9c7 //all going according to plan then | Apr 20 08:11 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: DynCorp Audit Finds Poor Controls On Millions Of Dollars In Afghan Police Program .::. Size~: 196.6 KB | Apr 20 08:11 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070_: it would be funny if the globe was not warming | Apr 20 08:13 |
| schestowitz | Don't confuse that with stupid solutions (I'm not saying that you do) | Apr 20 08:13 |
| Ender2070_ | the climate is always changing though | Apr 20 08:15 |
| Ender2070_ | we got out of an ice age | Apr 20 08:15 |
| Ender2070_ | http://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/169578/College-gives-files-of-climate-change-sceptics-to-police | Apr 20 08:15 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | UK News :: College gives files of climate change sceptics to police .::. Size~: 50.94 KB | Apr 20 08:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #wtf Melbourne is full of thieves and lowlifes or what? cc @RealTalibKweli // beam me back to #Toronto, pronto | Apr 20 08:15 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=fedora_13_btrfs&num=1 | Apr 20 08:15 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: [Phoronix] Btrfs System Rollbacks In Fedora 13 .::. Size~: 19.97 KB | Apr 20 08:15 |
| Ender2070_ | 100% done (btrfs) | Apr 20 08:16 |
| Ender2070_ | the feature in f13 | Apr 20 08:16 |
| schestowitz | I might try Fedora 13 | Apr 20 08:16 |
| Ender2070_ | http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2009-11/intel-wants-brain-implants-consumers-heads-2020 | Apr 20 08:17 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Intel Wants Brain Implants in Its Customers' Heads by 2020 | Popular Science .::. Size~: 104.02 KB | Apr 20 08:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tomsguide.com/us/RIAA-MPAA-Illegal-downloads-Torrent,news-6496.html | Apr 20 08:17 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: RIAA Wants Gov. to Delete Your Illegal Downloads .::. Size~: 89.52 KB | Apr 20 08:17 |
| Ender2070_ | UK DOD predicted 2037 | Apr 20 08:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itworld.com/open-source/104760/ubuntu-1004-delivers-usability-strength | Apr 20 08:19 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Ubuntu 10.04 delivers usability, strength | ITworld .::. Size~: 88.41 KB | Apr 20 08:19 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070_: cool... Intel the criminal wants chips in me? | Apr 20 08:20 |
| schestowitz | The EU Commission needs chips in Barret's head... to keep abreast of his crimes :-) | Apr 20 08:20 |
| schestowitz | Intel wants implanted chips... Gates wants to manage the global population... those career criminals sure love running things :-) | Apr 20 08:21 |
| Ender2070_ | :) | Apr 20 08:21 |
| schestowitz | IBM has this new s/w for predicting stuff | Apr 20 08:21 |
| schestowitz | Minority Report-style | Apr 20 08:21 |
| Ender2070_ | yes | Apr 20 08:21 |
| Ender2070_ | and so you dont care: | Apr 20 08:21 |
| Ender2070_ | http://gawker.com/5511622/televisions-benevolent-mind-control-program?skyline=true&s=i | Apr 20 08:21 |
| schestowitz | SOme people treat any 'advancement' - like DRM (encryption) -- like a "Good Thing" | Apr 20 08:21 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Television's Benevolent Mind Control Program - Television - Gawker .::. Size~: 71.82 KB | Apr 20 08:21 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070_: we need to go back to the dawn of TV and why it was promotd | Apr 20 08:22 |
| schestowitz | I don't know if they also invested in it for this reason (I think the market forces alone gave incentive to improve sets) | Apr 20 08:22 |
| schestowitz | TV was originally seen as a good device to affect the mind of many, not necessarily in a bad way | Apr 20 08:23 |
| schestowitz | Radio+visuals | Apr 20 08:23 |
| Ender2070_ | it goes right down to the flicker rate | Apr 20 08:23 |
| schestowitz | Now we have Fox :) | Apr 20 08:23 |
| schestowitz | To show us how brave soldiers shoot 'evil Arabs'. God bless America /me Fox on lapel | Apr 20 08:23 |
| Ender2070_ | lol | Apr 20 08:24 |
| schestowitz | I have another theory | Apr 20 08:24 |
| Ender2070_ | meanwhile the real issue is that those Arabs aren't in debt with the world bank | Apr 20 08:24 |
| Ender2070_ | lol | Apr 20 08:25 |
| schestowitz | Magazine and TVs select based on reverence and apperance | Apr 20 08:25 |
| schestowitz | It keeps viewers humbled yet motivated | Apr 20 08:25 |
| schestowitz | Had they seen average Folks (or Fox), there would be arrogance and ego | Apr 20 08:25 |
| schestowitz | Celebrity endorsement can be powerful | Apr 20 08:25 |
| schestowitz | But only if we 'buy' into the whole celebrity thing/status | Apr 20 08:26 |
| Ender2070_ | this one is more tasteful to read | Apr 20 08:26 |
| Ender2070_ | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304364904575166581279549318.html | Apr 20 08:26 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: NBC Shows Send Signals to Recycle, Exercise and Eat Right - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 136.2 KB | Apr 20 08:26 |
| Ender2070_ | "In just one week on NBC, the detectives on "Law and Order" investigated a cash-for-clunkers scam, a nurse on "Mercy" organized a group bike ride, Al Gore made a guest appearance on "30 Rock," and "The Office" turned Dwight Schrute into a cape-wearing superhero obsessed with recycling." | Apr 20 08:26 |
| Ender2070_ | "Coincidence? Hardly. NBC Universal planted these eco-friendly elements into scripted television shows to influence viewers and help sell ads." | Apr 20 08:26 |
| schestowitz | All the celebrities I've met are very average people when not told how to speak/dress or given talking points, TV time | Apr 20 08:26 |
| Ender2070_ | gotta love it | Apr 20 08:26 |
| schestowitz | But TV is another thing | Apr 20 08:26 |
| Ender2070_ | putting ads directly into the shows now | Apr 20 08:26 |
| schestowitz | TV is a podium | Apr 20 08:26 |
| Ender2070_ | i dont even watch tv anymore | Apr 20 08:27 |
| schestowitz | When you go on TV, then you're seen as a sort of royal class and thus you can influence people... see Glenn Geck | Apr 20 08:27 |
| schestowitz | *Beck | Apr 20 08:27 |
| Ender2070_ | aside from a few shows i watch without commercials | Apr 20 08:27 |
| schestowitz | 4% of people (USians I think) don't use TV now | Apr 20 08:27 |
| schestowitz | They turned to the Internet | Apr 20 08:27 |
| schestowitz | But the vast numbers are not computer-savvy | Apr 20 08:28 |
| Ender2070_ | i watch those few shows over the internet | Apr 20 08:28 |
| schestowitz | They carry on watching the Tubs | Apr 20 08:28 |
| schestowitz | *Tubes (sets) | Apr 20 08:28 |
| Ender2070_ | i see people who stare at that box all day long | Apr 20 08:28 |
| Ender2070_ | i've noticed myself how hypnotizing it is | Apr 20 08:29 |
| schestowitz | http://robinzrants.wordpress.com/2010/04/18/freedom-and-informed-choice/ | Apr 20 08:30 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Freedom and Informed Choice « Robin's Rants & Raves .::. Size~: 25.83 KB | Apr 20 08:30 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070_: bigger screens | Apr 20 08:30 |
| schestowitz | More frames | Apr 20 08:30 |
| schestowitz | More pixels | Apr 20 08:30 |
| schestowitz | HD | Apr 20 08:30 |
| Ender2070_ | SuperHD | Apr 20 08:30 |
| Ender2070_ | SuperHD Deluxe | Apr 20 08:31 |
| schestowitz | I never got the hang of big screens though | Apr 20 08:31 |
| Ender2070_ | SuperHD Deluxe 2.0 | Apr 20 08:31 |
| schestowitz | Unless many people watch TV at the same time | Apr 20 08:31 |
| schestowitz | You can just move closer | Apr 20 08:31 |
| schestowitz | Save energy, save space | Apr 20 08:31 |
| Ender2070_ | its a penis measuring contest | Apr 20 08:31 |
| schestowitz | I know | Apr 20 08:31 |
| schestowitz | HUMMER | Apr 20 08:31 |
| schestowitz | THat's what I say when I see people with home theatre... and one person watching | Apr 20 08:31 |
| Ender2070_ | lol business execs were writing off hummers on their taxes due to the weight class | Apr 20 08:32 |
| schestowitz | Usually projector based though, so maybe not a huge deal of energy exerted | Apr 20 08:32 |
| Ender2070_ | from some loophole that was recently made | Apr 20 08:32 |
| schestowitz | People should do their "penis envy" games over something like recycling | Apr 20 08:32 |
| Ender2070_ | dude they are | Apr 20 08:32 |
| Ender2070_ | LOL | Apr 20 08:32 |
| Ender2070_ | well | Apr 20 08:33 |
| Ender2070_ | over being more green | Apr 20 08:33 |
| schestowitz | Not who has better equipment for recycling | Apr 20 08:33 |
| Ender2070_ | "i use less power! im more green" | Apr 20 08:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] testing ping.fm email based posting from mobile | Apr 20 08:33 | |
| schestowitz | Green=biology | Apr 20 08:33 |
| schestowitz | Chlorophyll | Apr 20 08:33 |
| Ender2070_ | i dunno | Apr 20 08:33 |
| schestowitz | I'm talking about other things | Apr 20 08:34 |
| schestowitz | Not electric cars | Apr 20 08:34 |
| Ender2070_ | people seem to think these days that less is good enough | Apr 20 08:34 |
| schestowitz | The only solution is to use up less | Apr 20 08:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @rsandu: NL: #Open #source desktops manage shared #office space ministries #ubuntu http://bit.ly/aPmONe | Apr 20 08:34 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @olpc: "New Solomons study puts hard evidence of OLPC's positive impact" http://ur1.ca/vzf5 #olpc | Apr 20 08:34 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: NL: Open source desktops manage shared office space ministries — .::. Size~: 29.08 KB | Apr 20 08:34 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: OLPC Oceania: New Solomons study puts hard evidence of OLPC's positive impact .::. Size~: 89.12 KB | Apr 20 08:34 |
| schestowitz | African person uses like 12% of what a person in the US does, energy-wise | Apr 20 08:34 |
| Ender2070_ | you know what | Apr 20 08:34 |
| Ender2070_ | lets fuck up this planet | Apr 20 08:34 |
| schestowitz | It's already done | Apr 20 08:34 |
| Ender2070_ | who gives a shit, we'll be all dead and the elite will have a big fuckin mess to clean up | Apr 20 08:35 |
| Ender2070_ | lets make it irrepairable | Apr 20 08:35 |
| Ender2070_ | im getting aresol cans | Apr 20 08:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @lxoliva: on Google, for a change: resistance to censorship has gotten them blocked in 25 countries. http://bit.ly/aRxibU | Apr 20 08:35 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Official Google Blog: Controversial content and free expression on the web: a refresher .::. Size~: 94.34 KB | Apr 20 08:35 |
| Ender2070_ | and im going to increase the size of the ozone layer with Captain Chaos | Apr 20 08:35 |
| Ender2070_ | BUAHAHAHAHAHA | Apr 20 08:35 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070_: check this out: http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4046 | Apr 20 08:36 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Support Your Local Reptoid .::. Size~: 32.03 KB | Apr 20 08:36 |
| Ender2070_ | reptoid? | Apr 20 08:36 |
| schestowitz | Funny to know where the whole nonsense came from | Apr 20 08:36 |
| schestowitz | I'm still going through http://skeptoid.com/episode_guide.php | Apr 20 08:36 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Skeptoid Episode Guide .::. Size~: 93.22 KB | Apr 20 08:36 |
| schestowitz | The least I can do is recommend it to people | Apr 20 08:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.enterprisestorageforum.com/technology/article.php/3877006 | Apr 20 08:37 |
| schestowitz | UbuntuOne Music Store: How a music service should be http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=1447 | Apr 20 08:38 |
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| schestowitz | Jack is making me wonder sometimes.... not the GNU/Linux proponent I'm used to seeing | Apr 20 08:39 |
| Ender2070_ | lol | Apr 20 08:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1670168_1461052,00.html | Apr 20 08:39 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Core Memory: Photographs of Vintage Computers - Photo Essays - TIME .::. Size~: 34.14 KB | Apr 20 08:39 |
| Ender2070_ | ubuntuone music store is mono powered isnt it | Apr 20 08:39 |
| Ender2070_ | it also provides mp3 files | Apr 20 08:39 |
| schestowitz | No | Apr 20 08:40 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK | Apr 20 08:40 |
| schestowitz | No re Mono | Apr 20 08:40 |
| schestowitz | formats are mixed | Apr 20 08:41 |
| Ender2070_ | yeah fuck mp3 files | Apr 20 08:41 |
| Ender2070_ | There’s a good reason for that - it’s only now online, ready to accept your digital cash (in the form of credit cards or Paypal) in exchange for MP3 files of your favorite music. | Apr 20 08:41 |
| schestowitz | http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/features/article.php/3877181/Tech-Work-Pays-Best-in-Bay-Area-Seattle-Second.htm | Apr 20 08:42 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Tech Work Pays Best in Bay Area, Seattle Second — Datamation.com .::. Size~: 66.82 KB | Apr 20 08:42 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070_: I have mp3s here | Apr 20 08:42 |
| schestowitz | I was gonna mass-convert to ogg some years back, but it would degrade quality | Apr 20 08:43 |
| Ender2070_ | a linux company should be offering an open standard | Apr 20 08:43 |
| schestowitz | I keep in ogg what I can | Apr 20 08:43 |
| Ender2070_ | dont transcode mp3 to ogg | Apr 20 08:43 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070_: ogg is not a standard | Apr 20 08:43 |
| Ender2070_ | thats dumb | Apr 20 08:43 |
| schestowitz | And they don't intend to file for standardisation | Apr 20 08:43 |
| schestowitz | It's just avoiding patents, that's all | Apr 20 08:43 |
| Ender2070_ | its a standard as far as the community is concerned | Apr 20 08:43 |
| Ender2070_ | mp3 support isnt even allowed in fedora | Apr 20 08:43 |
| Ender2070_ | patent risks | Apr 20 08:43 |
| schestowitz | so you change the meaning of 'standard' | Apr 20 08:44 |
| schestowitz | [not that I have respect for ISO and IEEE] | Apr 20 08:44 |
| Ender2070_ | i didnt say it was an ISO standard | Apr 20 08:44 |
| Ender2070_ | a standard is something a group of people agree on | Apr 20 08:44 |
| schestowitz | Or bribe for | Apr 20 08:45 |
| schestowitz | I once hard that Ballmer said,"we ARE the standard" | Apr 20 08:45 |
| schestowitz | The Gangster Group says "industry standard" | Apr 20 08:45 |
| schestowitz | Meaning x86 and win32 | Apr 20 08:46 |
| Ender2070_ | they chose mp3 so that the ubuntu devs could use their ipods | Apr 20 08:46 |
| Ender2070_ | 7digital offers flac, why not give us lossless | Apr 20 08:46 |
| schestowitz | techrights is having an effect. http://twitter.com/dynnamitt/statuses/12476907675 | Apr 20 08:47 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Twitter / Dynna Midtlie: http://techrights.org/?sto ... .::. Size~: 10.72 KB | Apr 20 08:47 |
| Ender2070_ | because, flac doesnt work on the ipod | Apr 20 08:47 |
| schestowitz | "http://techrights.org/?stories I'm now truly ashamed of once being a .Net developer. That's a fact too." | Apr 20 08:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/dynnamitt/statuses/12476812987 | Apr 20 08:47 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Twitter / Dynna Midtlie: http://techrights.org -- S ... .::. Size~: 10.58 KB | Apr 20 08:47 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070_: I hard bad things about 7digital | Apr 20 08:47 |
| schestowitz | Simon Phipps sort of hates them | Apr 20 08:47 |
| Ender2070_ | ubuntu is a distro for the type of people who own hypePads, love ms technology, search with yahoo and like mac style left sided buttons | Apr 20 08:48 |
| Ender2070_ | consumers | Apr 20 08:48 |
| Ender2070_ | theres no checkbox to change it back either | Apr 20 08:49 |
| Ender2070_ | its a console command | Apr 20 08:50 |
| Ender2070_ | i bet you shuttleworth gets some ads put on the right side, or some store buttons or something that generates money | Apr 20 08:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.daniweb.com/news/story276992.html | Apr 20 08:52 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The Debian Democracy - Linux Servers and Apache News Story .::. Size~: 45.25 KB | Apr 20 08:52 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070_: no Yahoo! in *buntu | Apr 20 08:52 |
| schestowitz | They reformed a little | Apr 20 08:52 |
| schestowitz | PLUS... | Apr 20 08:52 |
| schestowitz | [let me find it | Apr 20 08:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ubuntu-user.com/Online/Blogs/Amber-Graner-You-in-Ubuntu/Ubuntu-Turkey-LoCo-Team-interviews-Canonical-CTO-Matt-Zimmerman | Apr 20 08:52 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Ubuntu Turkey LoCo Team interviews Canonical CTO, Matt Zimmerman / Amber Graner: You in Ubuntu / Blogs / Online / Home - Ubuntu User .::. Size~: 70 KB | Apr 20 08:52 |
| schestowitz | http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/2021 | Apr 20 08:52 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Ubuntu Turkey LoCo Team Interviews Canonical CTO, Matt Zimmerman | The Fridge .::. Size~: 16.69 KB | Apr 20 08:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.the-source.com/2010/04/matt-zimmerman-on-mono/ | Apr 20 08:53 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Matt Zimmerman on Mono .::. Size~: 33.48 KB | Apr 20 08:53 |
| Ender2070_ | yay phailronix benchmarks | Apr 20 08:53 |
| schestowitz | "There are risks in choosing the .NET platform to develop free software. And I am pleased that Mr. Zimmerman realizes that is exactly what Mono is: the .NET platform (albeit a gimped and tail-lights chasing stepchild implementation)." | Apr 20 08:53 |
| schestowitz | \0/ | Apr 20 08:53 |
| schestowitz | We brought it to more people's attention | Apr 20 08:53 |
| schestowitz | As he said, many the Mono bullies will attack Zimmerman now | Apr 20 08:53 |
| Ender2070_ | ??? | Apr 20 08:53 |
| schestowitz | Like Miguel de Icaza, who called Allison a "conspiracy theorist" | Apr 20 08:53 |
| Ender2070_ | lol | Apr 20 08:53 |
| Ender2070_ | then people will think of Allison chilling with reptilians | Apr 20 08:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Apr 20 08:55 |
| schestowitz | Apr 20 08:55 | |
| schestowitz | REMINDERS | Apr 20 08:55 |
| schestowitz | Invitation reminders: | Apr 20 08:55 |
| schestowitz | • From Carina Oliveri (person they've done business with at TurboHercules) | Apr 20 08:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Apr 20 08:55 |
| schestowitz | Those scummy people who play ball for Microsoft still try to befriend me and others | Apr 20 08:56 |
| schestowitz | Gosh, I hate PR people | Apr 20 08:56 |
| schestowitz | They also lie there | Apr 20 08:56 |
| schestowitz | I was never in touch with TurboHercules | Apr 20 08:56 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070_: Allison is a freemasonic illuminati | Apr 20 08:57 |
| Ender2070_ | what is that | Apr 20 08:57 |
| schestowitz | Samba team is having parties with coffins and stuff | Apr 20 08:57 |
| schestowitz | :-D | Apr 20 08:57 |
| Ender2070_ | ugh | Apr 20 08:57 |
| Ender2070_ | get the secret societies at least right | Apr 20 08:57 |
| Ender2070_ | lol | Apr 20 08:57 |
| schestowitz | There's the fringe which says all the presidents meet up and rape girls and stuff | Apr 20 08:58 |
| Ender2070_ | those guys are the skull and bones society | Apr 20 08:58 |
| Ender2070_ | they dont rape people | Apr 20 08:58 |
| schestowitz | The amazing thing is that they find some people who believe this and spread it | Apr 20 08:58 |
| Ender2070_ | i dont know who said that | Apr 20 08:58 |
| schestowitz | In USENET I had to argue with the guy over Obama's birth ceritificate | Apr 20 08:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://i.imgur.com/Lu0z3.gif | Apr 20 08:58 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/gif type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Apr 20 08:58 |
| Ender2070_ | its just a frat that all the presidents had been in | Apr 20 08:58 |
| schestowitz | You can show it to them, they still won't believe he's a USian !! | Apr 20 08:58 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: looks like Cory Doctorow | Apr 20 08:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: you've never seen mythbusters have you | Apr 20 08:59 |
| schestowitz | What's he doing pulling a Hall and Oates with some manatee? | Apr 20 08:59 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: no | Apr 20 09:00 |
| *Diablo-D3 applies cluebat to schestowitz | Apr 20 09:00 | |
| schestowitz | Ender2070_: school..... and boners | Apr 20 09:00 |
| schestowitz | Bush went to "fake Texas accent" college | Apr 20 09:01 |
| schestowitz | Cutting brush 101 | Apr 20 09:01 |
| Ender2070_ | i like mythbusters but some of the episodes I wasn't satisfied with how they carried them out | Apr 20 09:03 |
| Ender2070_ | a few i felt didnt really prove anything either way | Apr 20 09:03 |
| Ender2070_ | the new seaons with those 3 little retards are aweful too | Apr 20 09:04 |
| Ender2070_ | i cant stand watching it anymore | Apr 20 09:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070_: they just like blowing shit up | Apr 20 09:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | they were required to do something plot wise with the show | Apr 20 09:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | but, in the end, its just a show where they blow shit up | Apr 20 09:05 |
| Ender2070_ | the white guy is retarded and doesnt do much, the asian dude does all the work and the chick just asks dumb questions all the time | Apr 20 09:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes but | Apr 20 09:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | you'd bone the chick | Apr 20 09:05 |
| Ender2070_ | not one that annoying | Apr 20 09:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | standards are for virgins. | Apr 20 09:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cellphone-reviews.co.uk/2010/04/xperia-x10-to-get-multitouch-and.html | Apr 20 09:06 |
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| Ender2070_ | lol virgins are the most likely to bump someone ugly | Apr 20 09:08 |
| Ender2070_ | i just assume the show cant pay them enough anymore so they make the kids do half the work for way less pay | Apr 20 09:10 |
| Ender2070_ | the whole premise used to be that it was two experts busting myths | Apr 20 09:10 |
| Ender2070_ | not 2 experts and 3 noobs | Apr 20 09:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah but the 3 noobs get to handle the dumb shit | Apr 20 09:11 |
| Ender2070_ | yeah and they fuck it up too | Apr 20 09:11 |
| Ender2070_ | so many were really unsolved | Apr 20 09:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | "does screaming at plants help them grow?" "lol dunno, the water was accidently shut off" | Apr 20 09:12 |
| Ender2070_ | lol | Apr 20 09:13 |
| Ender2070_ | we should make up some myths to try and get them to kill themselves | Apr 20 09:13 |
| Ender2070_ | "in 1945 a man fell out of an airplane and was able to survive by running as soon as he hit the ground" | Apr 20 09:15 |
| Ender2070_ | let them test that one out | Apr 20 09:15 |
| Ender2070_ | oh theres a really funny canadian show, called "Canada's worst handyman" | Apr 20 09:18 |
| Ender2070_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvVHGzEqw5A | Apr 20 09:19 |
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| satipera | ender2070 said " ubuntu is a distro for the type of people who own hypePads, love ms technology, search with yahoo and like mac style left sided buttons consumers" that is a bit harsh | Apr 20 09:24 |
| Ender2070_ | harsh reality | Apr 20 09:26 |
| Ender2070_ | i dont think I said anything untrue | Apr 20 09:26 |
| Ender2070_ | they took yahoo out actually | Apr 20 09:27 |
| satipera | You are now talking about what Canonical have done and not stereotyping Ubuntu users as you did | Apr 20 09:29 |
| Ender2070_ | canonical has used its users as an excuse for every action its taken which users dont want | Apr 20 09:30 |
| Ender2070_ | i was more or less making fun of canonical | Apr 20 09:31 |
| satipera | okay :) i had the wrong end of the stick | Apr 20 09:31 |
| Ender2070_ | like i said earlier too | Apr 20 09:32 |
| Ender2070_ | fedora doesnt even play mp3s | Apr 20 09:32 |
| Ender2070_ | rpmfusion is required | Apr 20 09:32 |
| Ender2070_ | the ubuntu store could sell flac but apple doesnt accept flac on ipods | Apr 20 09:34 |
| Ender2070_ | my thinking | Apr 20 09:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/19/AR2010041902847.html | Apr 20 09:43 |
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| schestowitz | "Prime Minister Gordon Brown called yesterday for the U.K. Financial Services Authority to start a probe, saying he was “shocked” at the “moral bankruptcy” indicated in the Securities and Exchange Commission suit against Goldman Sachs. Germany’s financial regulator, Bafin, asked the SEC for details on the suit, a spokesman for Chancellor Angela Merkel said. " | Apr 20 09:44 |
| schestowitz | Goldman Sachs could roil California governor race http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0419/Goldman-Sachs-could-roil-California-governor-race | Apr 20 09:45 |
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| schestowitz | German Government May Take Legal Action Against Goldman Sachs (NYSE: GS) http://www.americanbankingnews.com/2010/04/19/german-government-may-take-legal-action-against-goldman-sachs-nyse-gs/ | Apr 20 09:45 |
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| TechrightsBot | Title: Goldman Sachs Faces U.K., German Regulatory Reviews (Update2) - BusinessWeek .::. Size~: 51.88 KB | Apr 20 09:53 |
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| schestowitz | Good science video | Apr 20 10:03 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Ubuntu just works better than #Windows, especially on netbooks. http://advogato.org/person/slef/diary/805.html #linux #n150 | Apr 20 10:12 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Registration closes soon for European #Lisp Symposium 6-7 May, Lisbon Portugal. http://advogato.org/person/crhodes/diary/144.html | Apr 20 10:15 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Planning an Ubuntu Lucid 10.04 CD burning session for the journey to #oggcamp which is 2 days after release :D | Apr 20 10:18 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] There's a lot going on in your life today that others cannot s... More for Aquarius http://twittascope.com/?sign=11 | Apr 20 11:25 | |
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| schestowitz | Why is trmanco promoting horoscopes? | Apr 20 11:34 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Wolvix 2.0.0 beta Build 56 Reviewed http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2010/04/18/wolvix-2-0-0-beta-build-56/ | Apr 20 11:46 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #PCLinuxOS 2010 is Released http://pclinuxos2007.blogspot.com/2010/04/welcome-pclinuxos-2010.html #linux #gnu | Apr 20 11:47 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #GNU #Linux is Not Just Another Desktop Platform But a Freedom http://bit.ly/d5MhPZ | Apr 20 11:49 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Kernel Foundation's "We’re Linux" Content for This Year Announces Winners http://ur1.ca/w1ct | Apr 20 11:50 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Announcing the 2010 We’re Linux Video Winners | The Linux Foundation .::. Size~: 26.3 KB | Apr 20 11:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Maturity Demonstrated by #Synaptics Port http://ur1.ca/w1dl http://ur1.ca/w1dm http://ur1.ca/w1dn | Apr 20 11:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Desktop Couch View Editor and #Bombono DVD in Review http://ur1.ca/w1ej http://ur1.ca/w1ek | Apr 20 11:56 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at Prey (Game) for #GNU #Linux, 8 More Proprietary Games http://ur1.ca/w1eu http://ur1.ca/w1ew | Apr 20 11:57 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Prey - Bring your diaper bag, cause it's scary! .::. Size~: 12.8 KB | Apr 20 11:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #KDE Interview and "Transblurency" http://ur1.ca/w1fd http://ur1.ca/w1fe #gnu #linux | Apr 20 12:00 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Small/Light #GNU #Linux Distributions Put to Good Use on Old/Weak Machines http://ur1.ca/w1fq http://ur1.ca/w1fs | Apr 20 12:01 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Nothing to scoff at: Arch Linux, 300Mhz Celeron « Motho ke motho ka botho .::. Size~: 55.04 KB | Apr 20 12:01 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What's New in Anaconda on #Fedora 13; Fedora on the #OLPC at LFNW 2010 http://ur1.ca/w1g6 http://ur1.ca/w1g8 | Apr 20 12:02 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I enjoyed this episode of Skeptoid, my favourite show at the moment. http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4037 | Apr 20 12:14 | |
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| schestowitz | g2g, important meeting | Apr 20 12:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Debian 's Installer (Very Intuitive), Debian Democracy http://ur1.ca/vvyp http://ur1.ca/w1j4 | Apr 20 12:17 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Praises of Next #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 10 Days Before Release http://ur1.ca/vxwt http://ur1.ca/w1jf http://ur1.ca/w1jh | Apr 20 12:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux -powered #NetWalker Becomes a Tablet, Hackable Devices Needed http://ur1.ca/w0t4 http://ur1.ca/vv2u | Apr 20 12:24 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Interesting article - Technological singularity - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity #technology #future | Apr 20 12:48 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Excluding computer software from the Patents Bill is a mistake and will stifle innovation: http://ur1.ca/w1qn | Apr 20 12:52 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Scoop: Excluding Software Patents Will Stifle Innovation .::. Size~: 79.15 KB | Apr 20 12:52 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android / #Linux - New Phones, New Features http://ur1.ca/w1xo http://ur1.ca/w1xp http://ur1.ca/w1xq | Apr 20 13:27 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OLPC With #GNU #Linux Has "Positive Impact" http://robinzrants.wordpress.com/2010/04/18/freedom-and-informed-choice/ | Apr 20 13:29 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Digg.com Might Become #FreeSoftware , PBS Covers Free Software http://ur1.ca/vpxj http://ur1.ca/w1ya | Apr 20 13:30 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Large List of #Free #Libre Software Tools http://ur1.ca/w1yi | Apr 20 13:31 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Cisco to Liberate #Telepresence Code? http://ur1.ca/w1ym | Apr 20 13:32 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] List of #OpenOffice .org Plugins, #ODF Plugfest Report (Granada) http://ur1.ca/w20v http://ur1.ca/w20w | Apr 20 13:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How #FreeSoftware Can Improve India's Education http://bit.ly/bvaaGl | Apr 20 13:46 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Had a mini adventure walking to the other end of the office.Never been there before.They have doors and printers and all kinds of wonder. | Apr 20 13:47 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Governments in Europe Move to #GNU #Linux , Approve #FreeSoftware, Etc. http://ur1.ca/vvwh http://ur1.ca/w21b | Apr 20 13:49 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Finding of #GPL Licensing Violations in Devices Made Easier http://ur1.ca/vkjg | Apr 20 13:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GCC 4.5.0 Benchmarks, Groovy++ Becomes #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/w21n http://ur1.ca/w21o | Apr 20 13:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] IBM: "we made THercules aware of our patents so they could do the appropriate analysis. We look forward to that analysis” http://ur1.ca/w22e | Apr 20 13:57 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Typical BBC quality journo's - No mention of the words "Windows" or "Microsoft" on a story affecting Windows only http://tinyurl.com/y7w8emb | Apr 20 14:15 | |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: they were provoked | Apr 20 14:50 |
| schestowitz | re Linuxhttp://identi.ca/conversation/29178556#notice-29241827 "@schestowitz Yeah, it's a choiche of freedom and a life's style! ;)" | Apr 20 14:53 |
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| zoobab | IBM does not communicate enough | Apr 20 14:54 |
| schestowitz | Gosh. I hate HuffPo | Apr 20 14:54 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz Whether you like HuffPo or not doesn't matter. What matters is that you know what these idiots are saying." | Apr 20 14:54 |
| zoobab | a conservative company | Apr 20 14:54 |
| schestowitz | I know | Apr 20 14:54 |
| schestowitz | I don't like IBM | Apr 20 14:54 |
| schestowitz | Even Microsoft talks more, more so than Apple | Apr 20 14:55 |
| schestowitz | Google is also fairly quiet | Apr 20 14:55 |
| schestowitz | You talk to Web forms | Apr 20 14:55 |
| schestowitz | ANd maybe gets a ticket with some automated something | Apr 20 14:55 |
| schestowitz | *get | Apr 20 14:55 |
| oiaohm | IBM has it uses | Apr 20 14:56 |
| oiaohm | When they create documentation its always well done. | Apr 20 14:56 |
| schestowitz | DEVELOPERWORKS is good | Apr 20 14:58 |
| oiaohm | Its the problem with companys like IBM you have to take the good with the bad. | Apr 20 14:59 |
| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz | Apr 20 14:59 | |
| oiaohm | Really IBM over use of patents might lead to the destruction of the patent system. | Apr 20 14:59 |
| *schestowitz has changed the topic to: Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of the freedom-hostile | Apr 20 14:59 | |
| schestowitz | Hehe, no... | Apr 20 15:00 |
| schestowitz | That's how they market it | Apr 20 15:00 |
| schestowitz | OIN/RPX | Apr 20 15:00 |
| schestowitz | Just pools | Apr 20 15:00 |
| schestowitz | They are obliged to shareholders to keep milking the system | Apr 20 15:00 |
| oiaohm | IBM is large enough to cause a mad event on an smaller company and live. | Apr 20 15:01 |
| schestowitz | I can't blame them, it's a systemic problems and they can't want to reform | Apr 20 15:01 |
| schestowitz | *problem | Apr 20 15:01 |
| oiaohm | To get reform you need a great example of failure. | Apr 20 15:01 |
| oiaohm | I see IBM as a possiable canidate. | Apr 20 15:01 |
| schestowitz | In Re Bilski? | Apr 20 15:02 |
| oiaohm | Bilski is fairly limited. | Apr 20 15:03 |
| oiaohm | Large sections of IBM patents are about real devices. | Apr 20 15:03 |
| oiaohm | Not stuff Bilski covers. | Apr 20 15:03 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: "Chapman Tripp Partner Matt Sumpter. " | Apr 20 15:03 |
| schestowitz | Who's that? | Apr 20 15:03 |
| oiaohm | I see IBM as in the right place to bring the complete patent system down. schestowitz | Apr 20 15:04 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.chapmantripp.com/Pages/Person.aspx?ItemID=2807 | Apr 20 15:04 |
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| oiaohm | All we need is a major mistake from IBM hands. schestowitz | Apr 20 15:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.chapmantripp.com/Pages/About.aspx | Apr 20 15:04 |
| schestowitz | "New Zealand’s pre-eminent law firm delivers the highest levels of legal and business performance. " | Apr 20 15:04 |
| Ziodotmatrix | que es esso? | Apr 20 15:04 |
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| schestowitz | Ha! Lawyers!! | Apr 20 15:05 |
| oiaohm | Something that IBM does have a track record of doing about every 15 years. schestowitz | Apr 20 15:05 |
| schestowitz | "Oh my God... we NEED MORE PATENTS... pretty please!" | Apr 20 15:05 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: doubtful | Apr 20 15:05 |
| schestowitz | IBM already uses its patents to make money | Apr 20 15:05 |
| oiaohm | Crushing a single compeition out of existance allows you to extract more money from the ones that still live. schestowitz | Apr 20 15:06 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz: IBM has sued for damages before? really? | Apr 20 15:06 |
| oiaohm | IBM is over due to crush a company. | Apr 20 15:06 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz_log: | Apr 20 15:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ip-watch.org/weblog/2010/04/20/open-source-company-alleges-ibm-antitrust-ibm-requests-analysis/ "v" | Apr 20 15:07 |
| schestowitz | For Florian Mueller, software developer and founder of the NoSoftwarePatents campaign in 2004, the patents that IBM says Hercules infringe could potentially threaten other key Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) projects, such as MySQL, VirtualBox, and SQLite." | Apr 20 15:07 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Intellectual Property Watch » Blog Archive » Open Source Company Alleges IBM Antitrust; IBM Requests Analysis .::. Size~: 49.62 KB | Apr 20 15:07 |
| schestowitz | Hey, Ziodotmatrix | Apr 20 15:07 |
| Ziodotmatrix | oops sorry this Pre's keypad is rather cramp | Apr 20 15:07 |
| schestowitz | Ziodotmatrix: no, revenue passing deals | Apr 20 15:07 |
| schestowitz | Over a buillion dollars per year | Apr 20 15:07 |
| schestowitz | Inc. hardware | Apr 20 15:07 |
| oiaohm | Lets put it this way IBM has so many patents its basically pandoras box of patents. | Apr 20 15:08 |
| oiaohm | And being able to trigger that box to open is the very thing that could undo the complete patent system. | Apr 20 15:09 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz: who has IBM sued over hardware I always thought it was usually over software or in the case of their latest lawsuit it's over software that poses a threat to their hardware sales? | Apr 20 15:09 |
| oiaohm | SUN and IBM had a dust up a while back over motherboard designs. Ziodotmatrix | Apr 20 15:09 |
| Ziodotmatrix | oiaohm: I guess that's what spead up Sun's demise as a viable business | Apr 20 15:10 |
| oiaohm | No SUN was around for another 10 years after the dust up. | Apr 20 15:10 |
| oiaohm | Really did not effect viablitity end result was an agreement not to war with it each other. | Apr 20 15:11 |
| Ziodotmatrix | oiaohm: I bet Palm (with a fresh infusion of capital) and Nokia can do the wreak the same havoc in the mobile realm | Apr 20 15:12 |
| oiaohm | Nokia holds a lot of key patents to mobiles. | Apr 20 15:12 |
| Ziodotmatrix | oiaohm: sadly Palm's last act maybe as a patent troll if these folks have their way: http://gigaom.com/2010/04/14/harbinger-palm/ | Apr 20 15:13 |
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| oiaohm | Nokia almost makes money from every phone sold. | Apr 20 15:13 |
| oiaohm | Palm is losing the means to compete Ziodotmatrix so out come as a patent troll is not what you call unexpected. | Apr 20 15:14 |
| Ziodotmatrix | oiaohm: it makes you wonder how Motorola is doing and what will become of Qualcomm once all carriers in North America start moving away from CDMA. I suppose you're right, but it sad considering Palm has been opening their WebOS more. | Apr 20 15:15 |
| oiaohm | Motorola and Qualcomm already have full 3g support. | Apr 20 15:17 |
| oiaohm | Even started on 4g support. | Apr 20 15:17 |
| Ziodotmatrix | oiaohm: but they still don't have a tite IP grip over LTE or Wimax like they do with CDMA and EVDO | Apr 20 15:18 |
| oiaohm | Big thing days of the closed mobile phone OS are ending. | Apr 20 15:19 |
| Ziodotmatrix | oiaohm: not if Apple keeps it's momentum | Apr 20 15:21 |
| Ziodotmatrix | oiaohm: thanks to them exclusive and ETF binding contracts got a new breath of life | Apr 20 15:22 |
| Ziodotmatrix | at least in the US | Apr 20 15:22 |
| oiaohm | Iphones core source code is truly downloadable. | Apr 20 15:23 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XNU Ok not a name most people would link up Ziodotmatrix | Apr 20 15:24 |
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| Ziodotmatrix | oiaohm: but the kernel is not where Apple puts all it's proprietary juicy bits that devs need to use, it's with their API and Object C. | Apr 20 15:25 |
| oiaohm | Even so iphones are still not the 100 percent closed source the phones use to be Ziodotmatrix | Apr 20 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Ziodotmatrix: I don't know of a lawsuit | Apr 20 15:25 |
| oiaohm | Last 100 percent closed with strength is RIM ie the blackberry | Apr 20 15:25 |
| Ziodotmatrix | oiaohm: true but whatever is not open besides the kernel is still kept locked from pocking around through their EULA | Apr 20 15:26 |
| oiaohm | Android is making progress faster that iphones even in the USA. | Apr 20 15:27 |
| Ziodotmatrix | oiaohm: that's mostly due to shere sales volume, mindshare still belongs with Apple so once their 4G device is released for all major carriers | Apr 20 15:28 |
| oiaohm | Mind share is interesting. | Apr 20 15:29 |
| oiaohm | Currently iphone and ipad vs Android is about equal. | Apr 20 15:29 |
| oiaohm | The over locked down is turning people away. Ziodotmatrix | Apr 20 15:29 |
| oiaohm | Heck the old nokia phones that you could only code in java you had more application freedom than the iphone's and ipads. | Apr 20 15:30 |
| oiaohm | Next issue is cost. Lot of android devices that do more are coming out at half the price of the apple ones Ziodotmatrix | Apr 20 15:31 |
| Ziodotmatrix | oiaohhm: only for those that pay attention but most people see Android as a me too to the iPhone and RIM is for business even though that may errode if they remain stagnant with their OS | Apr 20 15:31 |
| oiaohm | Dos was a me too | Apr 20 15:32 |
| oiaohm | Remember it was a me too against cp/m that is dead and gone. | Apr 20 15:32 |
| Ziodotmatrix | oiaohm: true, but once Apple releases their 4G set they'll slash the price on the 3GS thus closing the cost gap. You'll be surprised how far people would go to own an "Apple refurbished" used iPhone | Apr 20 15:33 |
| oiaohm | Basically a me too product is not a bad product. | Apr 20 15:33 |
| oiaohm | Not really Ziodotmatrix | Apr 20 15:33 |
| oiaohm | The android guys have a broader range of supply so more competition in their supply lines. | Apr 20 15:34 |
| Ziodotmatrix | oiaohm: well Apple has learned to ride the hypecoaster so they'll ensure they're just ahead to keep casual users anticipating without alienating | Apr 20 15:34 |
| oiaohm | hypercoaster vs MS basically says all that give you is 10 percent market share. | Apr 20 15:34 |
| oiaohm | Moblie phones will be no different. | Apr 20 15:35 |
| oiaohm | One people get to know android devices as doing the job why will they pay extra for apple. | Apr 20 15:35 |
| oiaohm | iphone has the leg up of being first in the market. | Apr 20 15:36 |
| Ziodotmatrix | oiaohm: btw have you noticed MS. has made WP7 more iPhonesqe with less degree of flexibility in themes and 3rd party patches | Apr 20 15:36 |
| oiaohm | And over priced Ziodotmatrix | Apr 20 15:37 |
| oiaohm | Yes cheap than a iphone but way more than android equal devices. | Apr 20 15:37 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] UID project of india in troubles: http://lnav.wordpress.com/2010/04/06/uid-project-of-india-in-troubles/ /via @sunil_abraham | Apr 20 15:38 | |
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| Ziodotmatrix | oiaohm: lets home more equals still remain | Apr 20 15:38 |
| Ziodotmatrix | I meant hope | Apr 20 15:38 |
| oiaohm | Of course they will. | Apr 20 15:38 |
| oiaohm | qualcom wants them. | Apr 20 15:39 |
| oiaohm | Same with all the other major arm chip makers. | Apr 20 15:39 |
| Ziodotmatrix | oiaohm: I also hope Meego is pushed more as much as I hate Intel | Apr 20 15:39 |
| oiaohm | Meego is seeing interesting effect to Linux foundation memeber ship. | Apr 20 15:39 |
| oiaohm | Ie lots more members | Apr 20 15:40 |
| oiaohm | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODE2Ng | Apr 20 15:41 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: [Phoronix] Major OS Showdown w/ Windows Tests Are Imminent .::. Size~: 17.87 KB | Apr 20 15:41 |
| Ziodotmatrix | oiaohm: they also count Android contribution as Linux too :-P | Apr 20 15:41 |
| oiaohm | Not for the new members. Ziodotmatrix | Apr 20 15:41 |
| oiaohm | Meego is offically a Linux foundation project now. Ziodotmatrix | Apr 20 15:41 |
| oiaohm | To sit on the controlling commitity of Meego you must be a Linux Foundation member Ziodotmatrix | Apr 20 15:42 |
| Ziodotmatrix | oiaohm: if only Open Moko was still supported too, but I suppose no other dev device then a 2G phone didn't do well to convince them. | Apr 20 15:43 |
| oiaohm | OpenMoko not a Linux foundation project. | Apr 20 15:43 |
| oiaohm | Meego is strange. For years Linux foundation had the policy not to make own distribution and remain distribution netural. | Apr 20 15:44 |
| Ziodotmatrix | oiaohm: it didn't gain widespread exceptance due to mindshare even if it's more open then Maemo | Apr 20 15:44 |
| oiaohm | Yep Meego is a bigger shift in the force of Linux than most people think. | Apr 20 15:44 |
| Ziodotmatrix | oiaohm: btw I hope Haiku OS is set for those benchmarks | Apr 20 15:45 |
| oiaohm | Meego had over 20 companies giving offically support before it first code base release. Ziodotmatrix | Apr 20 15:45 |
| oiaohm | That is also strange for a distribution in Linux as well. Ziodotmatrix | Apr 20 15:45 |
| Ziodotmatrix | oiaohm: well the same kind of support was given to BREW and look where it got it | Apr 20 15:46 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_Runtime_Environment_for_Wireless You mean this. Ziodotmatrix | Apr 20 15:47 |
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| Ziodotmatrix | yup | Apr 20 15:48 |
| oiaohm | It did change things. | Apr 20 15:49 |
| Ziodotmatrix | they essentially shut the door with high dev coasts due to the expectatons they had for the marketshare. Since no fresh development came the platform stagnated and is now popularly assosciated with crapware | Apr 20 15:50 |
| oiaohm | Ok not as much as some people expected. | Apr 20 15:50 |
| Ziodotmatrix | popularity among corporations does not always breed the kind of success people like us want | Apr 20 15:50 |
| oiaohm | meego will be a LSB standard distribution. | Apr 20 15:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Canonical is Already Aware of the Problem With #Mono http://ur1.ca/w2kw #ubuntu #novell #patent #microsoft | Apr 20 15:51 | |
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| oiaohm | Question is more how is it going to develop Ziodotmatrix | Apr 20 15:51 |
| oiaohm | Meego will either fade into nothing or be one of the biggest shake up in Linux history. | Apr 20 15:52 |
| Ziodotmatrix | oiaohm: hopefully the way a Linux distro should with the added bonus of popular applications | Apr 20 15:52 |
| oiaohm | Also the other major difference with Meego is the default interface is QT from Nokia. | Apr 20 15:54 |
| oiaohm | Over the old intel system that was trying to make GTK work. | Apr 20 15:54 |
| Ziodotmatrix | oiaohm: how do you feel about that? | Apr 20 15:56 |
| oiaohm | QT is not a bad framework in the list of open source frameworks out their. | Apr 20 15:57 |
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| Ziodotmatrix | oiaohm: I feel that keeping more of Maemo's attributes is good | Apr 20 15:58 |
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| oiaohm | Lot of Maemo was not that great. Distrobutions like ubuntu were just taking it best parts and dropping the interface anyhow. | Apr 20 16:00 |
| Ender2070 | schestowitz - skeptoid refered to "an incoherant truth" which was severely debunked | Apr 20 16:00 |
| Ender2070 | anyone taking al gore's claims seriously has a double digit IQ | Apr 20 16:00 |
| oiaohm | There were some major issue basing on a distrobution like debian. Ziodotmatrix | Apr 20 16:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Good morning, friends! How are you today? Unfortunately I think I am coming down with a cold...I feel like crap today. :-/ | Apr 20 16:01 | |
| Ziodotmatrix | oiaohm: true but I still like Maemo's GUI for mobile devices even if it seems a bit dated now. | Apr 20 16:01 |
| oiaohm | Maemo GUI was still QT. | Apr 20 16:02 |
| oiaohm | At least the last generations. | Apr 20 16:02 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=gcc_45_benchmarks&num=1 | Apr 20 16:02 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: [Phoronix] Benchmarks Of GCC 4.5.0 Compiler Performance .::. Size~: 18.84 KB | Apr 20 16:02 |
| Ender2070 | PHAILRONIX | Apr 20 16:02 |
| Ender2070 | you can't just throw in GCC 4.5 an expect everything to work as well as it should | Apr 20 16:03 |
| Ziodotmatrix | oiaohhm: true but I bet it will be tweaked before Meego is released. How that will impact forking, who knows. | Apr 20 16:03 |
| Ender2070 | they did NOT recompile all the apps with it | Apr 20 16:03 |
| oiaohm | Ender2070: besides they were not testing Gcc 4.5.0 best new feature. | Apr 20 16:03 |
| Ender2070 | err i mean the toolkit | Apr 20 16:03 |
| oiaohm | Ender2070: LTO mode. | Apr 20 16:04 |
| Ender2070 | you dont get maximum performance unless your entire system was built with it | Apr 20 16:04 |
| Ender2070 | so its a pointless benchmark | Apr 20 16:04 |
| oiaohm | Ender2070: Pointless since no LTO mode either. | Apr 20 16:04 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Apr 20 16:04 |
| Ender2070 | like i said, phailronix lol | Apr 20 16:05 |
| oiaohm | gcc 4.5.0 with and without LTO should have been inthere | Apr 20 16:05 |
| oiaohm | Ok whole program opt flag most likely would have been asking too much. | Apr 20 16:05 |
| oiaohm | LTO mode can make binaries way smaller. | Apr 20 16:05 |
| Ender2070 | yeah i know | Apr 20 16:06 |
| Ender2070 | the results are close too, because simply the system is using libraries compiled with the older gcc | Apr 20 16:06 |
| Ender2070 | opensuse put a lot of effort getting gcc 4.5 to work in 11.3 | Apr 20 16:06 |
| oiaohm | Now for gold and lto mode to work well all libraries have to be built LTO | Apr 20 16:08 |
| Ender2070 | yeah i agree | Apr 20 16:08 |
| oiaohm | But even so. | Apr 20 16:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] OK, let's kick off with a new Shot Of Jaq! Damn You, Printer - http://is.gd/bAJSJ - exploring why printers suck so much #shotofjaq | Apr 20 16:08 | |
| Ender2070 | i used to run gentoo, i know the nightmare of upgrading gcc | Apr 20 16:08 |
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| oiaohm | LTO mode shows differences without doing that. | Apr 20 16:08 |
| oiaohm | Particularly on C++ code Ender2070 | Apr 20 16:08 |
| oiaohm | Ie there are some sweet performance cloging spots to get at. | Apr 20 16:09 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Apr 20 16:09 |
| Ender2070 | when I saw he was using ubuntu i kind of laughed | Apr 20 16:10 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Apr 20 16:10 |
| oiaohm | Basically the most interesting change they did not test. | Apr 20 16:10 |
| oiaohm | changes | Apr 20 16:11 |
| Ender2070 | "All three versions of GCC were built using Ubuntu's GCC 4.4.3 installation." | Apr 20 16:11 |
| Ender2070 | bad! | Apr 20 16:11 |
| oiaohm | That really makes no difference. | Apr 20 16:11 |
| Ender2070 | yes it does | Apr 20 16:11 |
| Ender2070 | everyone knows that | Apr 20 16:11 |
| oiaohm | Gcc builds a build complier than rebuild it self again. | Apr 20 16:11 |
| Ender2070 | you rebuild again with the new gcc | Apr 20 16:11 |
| oiaohm | As its default build process. | Apr 20 16:11 |
| Ender2070 | oh it does it automatically now? | Apr 20 16:12 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Apr 20 16:12 |
| Ender2070 | oh thats good | Apr 20 16:12 |
| oiaohm | Has since 4.0.0 | Apr 20 16:12 |
| Ender2070 | nightmares are coming back to me.... "emerge -e system && emerge -e system && emerge -e world" | Apr 20 16:12 |
| Ender2070 | it was a more contrived command line than that too | Apr 20 16:13 |
| oiaohm | Yes its why 4.0.0 gcc would blow up completely. | Apr 20 16:13 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: he used to be all Fedora | Apr 20 16:13 |
| schestowitz | Until around 08' | Apr 20 16:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?q=site:www.michaellarabel.com+fedora&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GB | Apr 20 16:14 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.michaellarabel.com/index.php?k=blog&i=188 | Apr 20 16:14 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Michael Larabel | Has Fedora Lost Its Charm? .::. Size~: 22.69 KB | Apr 20 16:14 |
| schestowitz | See my comment there | Apr 20 16:14 |
| Ender2070 | "Fedora 7 does bring a number of changes, but it doesn't seem to be progressing at the rate of Ubuntu or some of the other up and coming distributions for that matter." | Apr 20 16:15 |
| Ender2070 | but then he goes to ubuntu | Apr 20 16:15 |
| Ender2070 | rofl | Apr 20 16:15 |
| schestowitz | Boycott Novell/Techrights search now points to the new domain with Google's index all migrated | Apr 20 16:15 |
| Ender2070 | which is now progressing at a slower rate | Apr 20 16:15 |
| schestowitz | We need a new logo though, fast | Apr 20 16:15 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz: when did "charm" have to do with a distro that keeps cutting edge yet usable with all FOSS? ugh | Apr 20 16:16 |
| schestowitz | Is someone good with logo design here? | Apr 20 16:16 |
| schestowitz | Ziodotmatrix: It's a catchy headline | Apr 20 16:16 |
| schestowitz | I spoke to him at the time | Apr 20 16:16 |
| schestowitz | I think it's also to do with tens of millions of Ubuntu proponents | Apr 20 16:16 |
| schestowitz | By showing people Fedora he limits his audience | Apr 20 16:17 |
| schestowitz | But he did have some technical issue with Fedora at the time | Apr 20 16:17 |
| schestowitz | You can go and ask him in #phoronix, he's cool | Apr 20 16:17 |
| oiaohm | If their is a artist in here. I am always good for the base text description. My warped point of view makes me think of a pen and a scroll making a T shape for techrights. schestowitz | Apr 20 16:18 |
| Ender2070 | imo, ubuntu shouldn't be used by anyone if it keeps up with the shitty changes | Apr 20 16:19 |
| Ziodotmatrix | anyways later | Apr 20 16:19 |
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| Ender2070 | unfortunately the windows users who switch love some of them | Apr 20 16:19 |
| Ender2070 | screwing us | Apr 20 16:19 |
| oiaohm | Ender2070: Ubuntu is not the first or the last distobution to make these mistakes. | Apr 20 16:20 |
| Ender2070 | its making the worst ones, and it happens to be the most popular | Apr 20 16:20 |
| Ender2070 | these choices they make, remind me of Linspire | Apr 20 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: what "shitty" changes? | Apr 20 16:20 |
| schestowitz | They dropped Yahoo! | Apr 20 16:20 |
| schestowitz | A step in the right direction | Apr 20 16:20 |
| Ender2070 | a distro for noobs where hardcore users have to modify the shit out of it to get it working properly | Apr 20 16:20 |
| schestowitz | THeir CTO is aware of Mono dangers | Apr 20 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Let's think positivelu | Apr 20 16:21 |
| Ender2070 | i agree we do need to think positively | Apr 20 16:21 |
| schestowitz | Otherwise we harm ourselves too much | Apr 20 16:21 |
| schestowitz | The problem is not Ubuntu | Apr 20 16:21 |
| schestowitz | Problem is Microsoft employees who enter the community/company | Apr 20 16:21 |
| schestowitz | Mono | Apr 20 16:21 |
| Ender2070 | true but I still think ubuntu has its own problems | Apr 20 16:21 |
| schestowitz | Culture of binary love | Apr 20 16:22 |
| schestowitz | Like Skype | Apr 20 16:22 |
| schestowitz | I try to use SIP | Apr 20 16:22 |
| Ender2070 | ubuntu has been infiltrated, and i doubt that could be reversed | Apr 20 16:22 |
| schestowitz | They could put Ekiga by default | Apr 20 16:22 |
| schestowitz | I don't think they do in GNOME, yet | Apr 20 16:22 |
| oiaohm | Remember when mandrake when threw this stage that Ubuntu is going to now. Ender2070 | Apr 20 16:22 |
| Ender2070 | fedora is doing a few things which might make GNU happy, and when they do i think fedora needs the most press | Apr 20 16:22 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: Mac Asay you mean? | Apr 20 16:22 |
| oiaohm | This is no new. | Apr 20 16:22 |
| oiaohm | Distributions mix up making usable with making insane choices. | Apr 20 16:23 |
| Ender2070 | oiaohm - when mandrake did, they went through chapter 11 bankrupcy | Apr 20 16:23 |
| oiaohm | Only after 2 years of doing it Ender2070 | Apr 20 16:23 |
| Ender2070 | fedora basicly has their own linux-libre style of effort of seperating firmware from the linux kernel | Apr 20 16:24 |
| Ender2070 | into its own seperate package that can be installed seperately | Apr 20 16:24 |
| Ender2070 | linux-firmware already exists and has some of the firmware | Apr 20 16:24 |
| Ender2070 | once they're done, a spin could be made that satisfies the GNU | Apr 20 16:25 |
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| Ender2070 | instead of focusing on the bad, we need to promote the companies doing efforts at promoting freedom | Apr 20 16:26 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Yahoo is Virtually Run by #Microsoft Now http://techrights.org/2010/04/20/yahoo-coup-on-to-cto/ | Apr 20 16:48 | |
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| schestowitz | gtg now... http://twitter.com/twechnological/statuses/12518060867 "@schestowitz Doesn't look like FUD. As per comments of article, it's cuz CS schools no longer produce grads that can hack the !linux kernel" @ikaruga2099 the point is, the media tends to concentrate on the negatives in Linux | Apr 20 16:49 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @skbacon: @jonobacon yeah its bad news when your mum is asking you to go onto twitter :-) and she has more than 10 times the followers | Apr 20 16:51 | |
| Ender2070 | http://www.salon.com/food/food_psychology/index.html?story=/food/feature/2010/04/19/fast_food_impatience | Apr 20 16:51 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Just finished my call with David, my last team 1-on-1 call of the week. Every week I am reminded why I have such a fantastic team. :-) | Apr 20 16:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @mugginz: @jonobacon - http://is.gd/bAJSJ was absolutely classic. Bordering on podcast of the month! #shotofjaq #podcastofthemonth | Apr 20 16:57 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Sweet: a new presentation app for GNOME - Glide - http://is.gd/bAOzI #gnome | Apr 20 17:20 | |
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| Omar87 | Hi | Apr 20 17:21 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Live@edu, an educational service? Or a digitized lottery ticket system?: http://url4.eu/2nPQ2 | Apr 20 17:37 | |
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| fourscore | hi roy , did u see the news about oracle charging for the odf plugin | Apr 20 17:42 |
| fourscore | link http://www.sun.com/software/star/odf_plugin/get.jsp | Apr 20 17:43 |
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| fourscore | $90 per user licence and have to buy min for 100 users at a time | Apr 20 17:43 |
| Omar87 | Hello everyone. | Apr 20 17:51 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] last.fm neighborhood radio is the greatest thing since Simon Cowell announced he will no longer be on American Idol. | Apr 20 18:07 | |
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| Omar87 | Hey guys! Have you seen the FSDaily feeds widget on Techrights lately? A moment ago when I saw it I found a pacman game on it, I swear! | Apr 20 18:08 |
| _Goblin | hi all | Apr 20 18:09 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin, hey! | Apr 20 18:09 |
| _Goblin | whats happening? anything interesting? | Apr 20 18:10 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin, check out my latest article, it's tiny by interesting. | Apr 20 18:10 |
| Omar87 | but* | Apr 20 18:10 |
| _Goblin | reading it now | Apr 20 18:12 |
| _Goblin | never come across live@edu before | Apr 20 18:12 |
| _Goblin | having said that, MS schemes don't really hold any interest to me unless they hit the news... | Apr 20 18:13 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin, lol! I recently showed an MS guy the article about MS promoting sexism in their latest KIN ads. And then he replied by asking me to stop bothering him, and he said he'll send me an e-mail later. :P | Apr 20 18:13 |
| _Goblin | yeah, its always "later" | Apr 20 18:13 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin, I wonder what he's going to say. :) | Apr 20 18:14 |
| _Goblin | you'll probably get a cut n paste response, if one at all. | Apr 20 18:14 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin, true. | Apr 20 18:14 |
| _Goblin | Ive got a couple of projects in the pipeline for Openbytes | Apr 20 18:15 |
| _Goblin | one being some interviews with Linux devs, the other being a possible affiliation/partnership with an online radio show. | Apr 20 18:15 |
| Omar87 | Though I hoping it will be one worth writing about. | Apr 20 18:16 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin, Linux Outlaws? | Apr 20 18:16 |
| _Goblin | lol... | Apr 20 18:16 |
| _Goblin | nah | Apr 20 18:16 |
| _Goblin | this is a general show...produced in the UK. | Apr 20 18:16 |
| _Goblin | trying to set up a Linux show on that. | Apr 20 18:16 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin, I see. All the best wishes! ;-) | Apr 20 18:17 |
| _Goblin | they have the equipment, I have material.....fingers crossed. | Apr 20 18:17 |
| _Goblin | Im now getting too many emails to respond to... | Apr 20 18:17 |
| _Goblin | and I don't like ignoring people... | Apr 20 18:17 |
| Omar87 | I see. :) | Apr 20 18:18 |
| _Goblin | today alone Ive had 17 mails from readers, 4 responses to enquiries and 2 "other" - all that and I have a full time job too! | Apr 20 18:18 |
| Omar87 | I'll be back in a half an hour or so. | Apr 20 18:18 |
| _Goblin | ok | Apr 20 18:18 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Wordpress and shoutbox do not play nicely. Any tips? #wordpress #foss #linux | Apr 20 18:20 | |
| *Omar87-away is now known as Omar87 | Apr 20 18:40 | |
| Omar87 | back | Apr 20 18:41 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin, did Roy disable his identi.ca account or something? | Apr 20 18:46 |
| _Goblin | not sure, havent looked,,, | Apr 20 18:47 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin, perhaps not. I'm not sure. | Apr 20 18:48 |
| _Goblin | i dont see why he would | Apr 20 18:49 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin, yeah. He didn't actually. | Apr 20 18:49 |
| Omar87 | Anyways, I really enjoyed this Friday night's Smackdown episode! :D | Apr 20 18:50 |
| Omar87 | Never imagined I would like the Hart Dynasty as much as I did in their with Mysterio against SES. | Apr 20 18:51 |
| Omar87 | :) | Apr 20 18:51 |
| _Goblin | yeah, I think that they play better good guys. | Apr 20 18:51 |
| Omar87 | their *match* | Apr 20 18:51 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin, Mysterio made the wisest choice by choosing them. | Apr 20 18:52 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin, I see no reason why we wouldn't see CM Punk bald-headed next week. :) | Apr 20 18:52 |
| _Goblin | not sure...im still convinced Rey will join SES | Apr 20 18:53 |
| Omar87 | Of course, unless the storyline has another thing to say. | Apr 20 18:53 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin, btw. Did you link for me yet? | Apr 20 18:57 |
| _Goblin | havent done my links...if you had an icon I could put you in the sidebar | Apr 20 18:58 |
| _Goblin | as it stands I have to sort though my links list for the newlook site | Apr 20 18:58 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin, I see. | Apr 20 18:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Cant believe theres so little choice for a native Xfce Nzb/par package...now theres a nice little project for me.... | Apr 20 19:06 | |
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| MinceR | geekings | Apr 20 19:13 |
| _Goblin | hello mate | Apr 20 19:17 |
| satipera | Thanks for googlesharing tip in links Roy, I can stop using scroogle now | Apr 20 19:20 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin, there you go: http://imgur.com/j52N8 | Apr 20 19:24 |
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| _Goblin | thanks | Apr 20 19:26 |
| _Goblin | I'll sort it now | Apr 20 19:26 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin, great. Thanks. :) | Apr 20 19:26 |
| Omar87 | Okay, that's ludicrous. Some people claim I'm keeping the KIN buzz around by telling people about the MS's scandalous pro-sexism ads. | Apr 20 19:29 |
| Omar87 | sexting* | Apr 20 19:30 |
| _Goblin | there you go Omar87, you are linked. | Apr 20 19:30 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin, thanks! | Apr 20 19:30 |
| _Goblin | I will put you in the text links aswell when I get the list sorted. | Apr 20 19:30 |
| ThistleWeb | lol @ pro sexism typo | Apr 20 19:31 |
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| Omar87 | ThistleWeb, :-) | Apr 20 19:40 |
| Omar87 | ThistleWeb, these ads only prove the facts that subliminal messages are all around our children (and us as well) | Apr 20 19:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Today we lost the godmother of the civil rights movement, Dr. Dorothy Height, who devoted her life to those struggling for equality. | Apr 20 19:46 | |
| schestowitz | ikaruga2099 | Apr 20 19:50 |
| schestowitz | @schestowitz That's true. Don't know if that's "FUD"---more like uneven coverage (reminds me of Republicans vs media) | Apr 20 19:50 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/29271929 | Apr 20 19:50 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/29271622 " | Apr 20 19:51 |
| schestowitz | lnxwalt140 | Apr 20 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | @schestowitz And that's really sad that MSFT-online, which couldn't make profit with $billions and fifteen years, is ruining YHOO, too. | Apr 20 19:52 |
| schestowitz | lnxwalt140 | Apr 20 19:52 |
| schestowitz | @schestowitz And that's really sad that MSFT-online, which couldn't make profit with $billions and fifteen years, is ruining YHOO, too. | Apr 20 19:52 |
| schestowitz | grrr... :-| http://identi.ca/notice/29271622 | Apr 20 19:52 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz, hey! | Apr 20 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Apr 20 20:00 |
| schestowitz | THe fsdaily banner is acting up soemtimes | Apr 20 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Maybe an ads showing pacman anims | Apr 20 20:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @jwildeboer #Palm [...] Maybe a bundle with #Novell will create more bids? ;-) Or will Oracle just buy all? | Apr 20 20:02 | |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: I might move to London... | Apr 20 20:03 |
| schestowitz | "@jwildeboer good idea, let Oracle buy Novell, then charge $90 to download mono :-D" | Apr 20 20:03 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, yeah. Earlier today, I saw a pacman game in the FSDaily banner. | Apr 20 20:04 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, did you read me recent post? It's a small one, about a Live@edu message that I recieved this mornign. | Apr 20 20:05 |
| Omar87 | morning* | Apr 20 20:05 |
| Ziodotmatrix | I think with all this lawsuit fever states and nations should sui eachother over flags starting with Indiana: http://tinyurl.com/y7g9dju vs the EU: http://tinyurl.com/y3msm4f . With the way the economy is now our states deserve to be awarded damages. ;-) | Apr 20 20:08 |
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| Ziodotmatrix | Omar87: I didn't, do tell | Apr 20 20:09 |
| Omar87 | Ziodotmatrix, you didn't what? | Apr 20 20:09 |
| Ziodotmatrix | Omar87: Concerning reading about your Live@edu msg | Apr 20 20:10 |
| Omar87 | Ziodotmatrix, there: http://becausefreedommatters.blogspot.com/ | Apr 20 20:11 |
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| Ziodotmatrix | Omar87: looks like a scam of a scam to me, lol | Apr 20 20:12 |
| Ziodotmatrix | Omar87: it reads like one of those phishing schemes | Apr 20 20:12 |
| Omar87 | Ziodotmatrix, the irony is that I received it from my university's system. | Apr 20 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: you posted a link to the comments feed | Apr 20 20:13 |
| schestowitz | I need more copies of the Live@Edu stunt | Apr 20 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Someone leaked to me what they send principals | Apr 20 20:14 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, comments feed? | Apr 20 20:14 |
| Ziodotmatrix | Omar87: yea, universities are the last place to look for compromised databases *rollseyes* | Apr 20 20:15 |
| Omar87 | Ziodotmatrix, I know. But my university has -unfortunately- implemented Mafiasoft's live@edu scam, and sometimes they do start stupid competitions thru it.. | Apr 20 20:17 |
| Omar87 | Ziodotmatrix, and of course, you can be sure as hell that the one conducting these scams are Mafiasoft themselves. | Apr 20 20:18 |
| Ziodotmatrix | Omar87: well sporting goods store Modells sponsors pre-approved credit cards now so I wouldn't put it past MS. But still check the src links | Apr 20 20:18 |
| Omar87 | Ziodotmatrix, actually, I got this message on my cellphone. (an SMS) | Apr 20 20:19 |
| Ziodotmatrix | Omar87: their dataminer got ahold of the college's central registry? | Apr 20 20:20 |
| Omar87 | Ziodotmatrix, I have no idea. | Apr 20 20:20 |
| Omar87 | Ziodotmatrix, but one thing I'm now 1000% sure of is that there's much more to the live@edu scam than what we've seen so far. | Apr 20 20:21 |
| Ziodotmatrix | btw supposed Blackberry OS6 screenshots got leaked | Apr 20 20:21 |
| Ziodotmatrix | well leaked as in trickled out from HQ | Apr 20 20:22 |
| Ziodotmatrix | Corporate security is either horrible this season or marketing is working in overdrive | Apr 20 20:23 |
| Ziodotmatrix | http://tinyurl.com/y66d4na | Apr 20 20:24 |
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| Ziodotmatrix | It seems RIM doesn't need to make anymore aquisitions as they seem to be making their own Webkit based OS. I guess they're banking on releasing it by the time Palm is too broke to sui or in liquidation | Apr 20 20:25 |
| Ziodotmatrix | actually it seems Webkit is only for the browser, I wonder what changes in the kernel and API will be? | Apr 20 20:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] According to @Klout, I am a 'Twitter persona' - http://bit.ly/cEnooX - I learned about Klout from @Roebot | Apr 20 20:27 | |
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| schestowitz | I remember when all universities managed their own mail | Apr 20 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Now they offshore to Google and Microsoft and let them read everyone mail, address books, etc. | Apr 20 20:29 |
| schestowitz | It's gut-flipping | Apr 20 20:29 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz_log: well it either costs them nothing or actually makes them money or should | Apr 20 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Privacy has value | Apr 20 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Exposing someone is worth money | Apr 20 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Knowledge is power | Apr 20 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Money is power | Apr 20 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Knowledge is money | Apr 20 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Google had targeted ads (=$$) | Apr 20 20:33 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz_log: well when you sign up for colleges they give you an email which uses your registration data whether you like it or not | Apr 20 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Apr 20 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Norm does not make anything acceptable | Apr 20 20:33 |
| schestowitz | I don't even know how data retention works here | Apr 20 20:34 |
| schestowitz | In the UK they have unified databases | Apr 20 20:34 |
| schestowitz | So one's mechanic might one day get one's medical records, as though this is necessary | Apr 20 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Even cleaners in some facilities get access to these database... when proves to be trouble for celebrities, for example | Apr 20 20:34 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz: interesting, in the US it's all about the ToS even though there's limits to what you can do with that info once you get ahold of it. You can always sue for libel if you feel it's misappropriated | Apr 20 20:36 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The moons' orbits around Saturn are far broader than I imagined. Check it out: http://ur1.ca/w45a | Apr 20 20:39 | |
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| schestowitz | Sue who? | Apr 20 20:39 |
| schestowitz | You don't know where leaks come from | Apr 20 20:39 |
| schestowitz | It can be the cleaner doing a job from someone from some terminal and selling it to someone else | Apr 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | You can't tell who's responsible for sure | Apr 20 20:40 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz_log: true but the end user of it is still at risk | Apr 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | So what do you do, sue the worker/NHS/government/etc? | Apr 20 20:40 |
| Ziodotmatrix | I'm talking about private businesses even though I have certainly no illusions about government agencies not colluding | Apr 20 20:41 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2010/04/20/adventures-in-radio/ | Apr 20 20:42 |
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| Ziodotmatrix | anyway I gotta go | Apr 20 20:43 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] LottaNZB 0.5.3 (HellaNZB frontend) & The future of the binary newsgroups? http://tinyurl.com/y685gut #nzb #gnome #linux #foss #p2p #tpb | Apr 20 20:46 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7598520/Controversial-medical-records-database-suspended.html | Apr 20 20:46 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin in the blog image, change Windows key to a penguin http://schestowitz.com/Amusement/images/dell-linux.jpg | Apr 20 20:48 | |
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| schestowitz | "As John Paul Stevens retires from the Supreme Court after a long and distinguished career, it's worth remembering that he was a complicated and, in many respects, very admirable figure, and not just because of his legendary personal charm. Though considered the Court's leading liberal jurist, Stevens embraced a number of libertarian ideas.| | Apr 20 20:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.forbes.com/2010/04/12/supreme-court-stevens-government-opinions-columnists-reihan-salam.html | Apr 20 20:55 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Our Unlimited Government - Forbes.com .::. Size~: 29.31 KB | Apr 20 20:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Adobe (flash) can suicide now RT: @paul_irish: Blowing up HTML5 video and mapping it into 3D space http://j.mp/d5mfiN #html5 #flash | Apr 20 20:56 | |
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| DaemonFC | yay | Apr 20 20:57 |
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| DaemonFC | my Newegg RMA is being processed :) | Apr 20 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | says I should get a refund within 3 days | Apr 20 20:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/17/books/17cartoonist.html?src=mv http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/p/pulitzer_prizes/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier | Apr 20 20:58 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, DaemonFC | Apr 20 20:58 |
| schestowitz | What's up? | Apr 20 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | hey schestowitz, remember that case where Microsoft sued a 15 year old? | Apr 20 20:58 |
| schestowitz | MikeRowe | Apr 20 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | his name was Mike Rowe and he was a programmer | Apr 20 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Apr 20 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 20 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | Mike Row-soft | Apr 20 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Apr 20 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | *Rowe | Apr 20 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | some guy hosting a program on History Channel is named Mike Rowe | Apr 20 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | reminded me of that | Apr 20 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | I watch History Channel a lot :P Pawn Stars is my favorite | Apr 20 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | one program on last night was a history of US government anti-drug propaganda | Apr 20 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | some of it was pretty funny | Apr 20 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | it was talking about how for years, people would go to their doctor to get a prescription for amphetamines which were handed out for everything in the 1950s | Apr 20 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | kind of like the "anti-depressants" of their day I guess | Apr 20 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: you notice how the doctors almost never prescribe something that's safe, effective, proven for years, and GENERIC? | Apr 20 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | Generic is a four letter word with the medical cartel :) | Apr 20 21:05 |
| satipera | rolling stones "mothers little helper" | Apr 20 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | they are bribed to pass out as many "name brand" drugs as possible | Apr 20 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | with no regard for patient safety | Apr 20 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | hmm, William Shatner is still doing Priceline commercials | Apr 20 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | they were one of the dotcoms I expected to go under in that crash | Apr 20 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | the funny thing was that they tried selling gas cards, but it took them 3 days to mail you out a physical card where you saved about 2-3 cents per gallon on the price 3 days ago, which may have gone up more than you "saved" | Apr 20 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | if they can't give you a code to punch in at the gas pump, it's worthless | Apr 20 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 20 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | then there were complaints about half the gas stations not honoring them | Apr 20 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | and one tried to call the police on a customer that tried using one | Apr 20 21:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Ashamed of Portugal (it's a dailything, sadly): only today Lisbon airport got beds for stranded travellers... | Apr 20 21:14 | |
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| DaemonFC | "Sometimes all the barrels would go off at once and there was no safe place in the region except behind it" Mark Tawin on the European "Pepperbox" revolver :) | Apr 20 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | if your airport needs beds, it already has admitted they suck | Apr 20 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 20 21:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/04/mark-fiore-can-win-a-pulitzer-prize-but-he-cant-get-his-iphone-cartoon-app-past-apples-satire-police/ Mark Fiore can win a Pulitzer Prize, but he can’t get his iPhone cartoon app past Apple’s satire police | Apr 20 21:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/20/technology/20google.html?src=busln | Apr 20 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | [20:59] <DaemonFC> his name was Mike Rowe and he was a programmer | Apr 20 21:33 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Apr 20 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Sorry, was away for a while, on phone w/ sister | Apr 20 21:33 |
| schestowitz | My nephew is called Tom as it turns out | Apr 20 21:33 |
| schestowitz | [21:05] <DaemonFC> schestowitz: you notice how the doctors almost never prescribe something that's safe, effective, proven for years, and GENERIC? | Apr 20 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | newborn or didn't think to ask for a few years? :) | Apr 20 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Bribed | Apr 20 21:34 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: newborn | Apr 20 21:34 |
| schestowitz | I knew since last week | Apr 20 21:34 |
| schestowitz | [the name] | Apr 20 21:34 |
| schestowitz | They hadn't totally made their mind yet though | Apr 20 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | I hate these commercials, well all of them | Apr 20 21:35 |
| schestowitz | With the quick talk at the end | Apr 20 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Obligatory | Apr 20 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | but especially the ones that play random loud noise to get you to look around | Apr 20 21:35 |
| schestowitz | It's made a "must" for discretion | Apr 20 21:35 |
| schestowitz | If they read it too quick, then it misses the purpose | Apr 20 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Shove 6 v1aga up updike | Apr 20 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Apr 20 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Rather than updike on steroids | Apr 20 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | slip it in his "water" at the town meetings ;) | Apr 20 21:36 |
| schestowitz | You'll have updike on U{ | Apr 20 21:36 |
| schestowitz | You'll have updike on UP | Apr 20 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Town meetings? | Apr 20 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Why? | Apr 20 21:37 |
| schestowitz | As if someone would notice the difference | Apr 20 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | to invite his cronies to | Apr 20 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | and discuss talking points | Apr 20 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 20 21:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Isn't is more relevant to leave it in, a testament to despite MS Tax on my PC Ive moved to Linux? | Apr 20 21:37 | |
| DaemonFC | like any government meeting | Apr 20 21:37 |
| schestowitz | "Are you excited to see me, sir?" | Apr 20 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | open to the "public" | Apr 20 21:37 |
| schestowitz | open to the "pubic" more like | Apr 20 21:37 |
| _goblin | Daemon....how would you suggest the country is run? | Apr 20 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | open dictatorship | Apr 20 21:38 |
| _goblin | sounds great....? | Apr 20 21:38 |
| _goblin | explain | Apr 20 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | more efficient, saves the nice fake front of the people mattering | Apr 20 21:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIZl-gvM7xg | Apr 20 21:38 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- Michelle Bachmann Reads Teen Sex Stories To Congress .::. Size~: 88.31 KB | Apr 20 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Who was that congressman who chatted to his friend about shagging a lobbyist while the mic was on? | Apr 20 21:38 |
| schestowitz | I can't find it | Apr 20 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Apr 20 21:39 |
| schestowitz | I think he was a Republican | Apr 20 21:39 |
| _goblin | daemonfc really though since you think it justifiable to kill someone for breaking into your house (as per a previous conversation) do you really think the country run by Daemon would be any better? | Apr 20 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | I guess they really wanted the government contract they gave out in turn for that | Apr 20 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 20 21:39 |
| schestowitz | My links are a mess | Apr 20 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't say by me | Apr 20 21:39 |
| schestowitz | I can't read well while talking... | Apr 20 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | just fire everyone in Congress | Apr 20 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | give the President the power to directly amend the constitution | Apr 20 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | and there you go | Apr 20 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Fire *fire*? | Apr 20 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | what could go wrong? | Apr 20 21:40 |
| _goblin | daemonfc so then what makes you qualified to cast judgement on it? | Apr 20 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Liar liar, congress on fire? | Apr 20 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | rig every election so he wins with 90% of the vote | Apr 20 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | like in Latin American countries | Apr 20 21:40 |
| _goblin | this brave new daemonfc world gets better by the minute. | Apr 20 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Latin American elections are run by US PR industry | Apr 20 21:41 |
| _goblin | whats next? free firearms for all...? | Apr 20 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Changing that, the CIA organises a a coup | Apr 20 21:41 |
| schestowitz | /changing/failing | Apr 20 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Regime change | Apr 20 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | I don't care who you are, 90% of votes cast is bordering on impossible | Apr 20 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | it stinks of a cheater | Apr 20 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Funded by and with training by the US army | Apr 20 21:41 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: no gun left behind | Apr 20 21:42 |
| _goblin | daemonfc I see many people critisize the government yet not one person comes up with a sensible solution. | Apr 20 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | that's what you get in a lot of the former Soviet Bloc and Latin America | Apr 20 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | nothing but corruptions | Apr 20 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | so safe from the public with their guards toting machine guns | Apr 20 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | their bullet proof limos | Apr 20 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | they don't even worry about hiding the stench anymore | Apr 20 21:42 |
| _goblin | maybe because their detractors stink just as much? | Apr 20 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | There, they don't just machine gun you for threating the president | Apr 20 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | they machine gun you for protesting in any form or fashion :0 | Apr 20 21:43 |
| _goblin | daemonfc the world is rotten and theres nothing you me or anyone can do other than take personal responsibility for trying to be the best person we can. | Apr 20 21:44 |
| _goblin | they can't even get the planet on board with cutting carbon emmsions, if people are not willing to change in order to preserve the world, what hope is there for anything else? | Apr 20 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | carbon emission sham | Apr 20 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | more UN agenda | Apr 20 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | less thinking | Apr 20 21:45 |
| _goblin | maybe so or maybe not, the point is when you can't get the world agreeing on something so basic, what hope is there for anything else? | Apr 20 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | there are instances of one volcano erupting once throwing out more carbon dioxide than all human activity, ever | Apr 20 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | fuck them | Apr 20 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | nature "pollutes" worse than humans do | Apr 20 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | at least in that regard | Apr 20 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | there are certain pine trees that emit hydrocarbons | Apr 20 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | let's cut them all down | Apr 20 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | trees that are bad for the environment!! ZOMGWTF!!! | Apr 20 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | those UN meetings just evict all the evidence that nature is pumping out more carbon than humans | Apr 20 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | and proceed with all the junk science suggesting global warming | Apr 20 21:48 |
| _goblin | I personally don't buy the carbon emission theory myself, however if we are agreed that the chemicals which we manufacture are harmful to nature then we must be having some effect even if its just speeding up earths natural cycle. | Apr 20 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | and that such a thing is caused only by humans | Apr 20 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | carbon bubbles to the surface from ocean vents | Apr 20 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | those vents are warm enough to PROMOTE life in areas too cold for it otherwise | Apr 20 21:49 |
| _goblin | then if you are believing that carbons harm the environment and that earth is doing it naturally, then surely we are adding to that and making it worse....you can't say X does it worse than me so its ok. | Apr 20 21:50 |
| _goblin | sounds like an MS argument. | Apr 20 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | so we have some junk science suggesting global warming, the complete li (if said global warming exists) that humans are solely responsible, or even mostly | Apr 20 21:50 |
| _goblin | soley or not, does it matter? | Apr 20 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | and the ignorance of the fact that in some cases, life does better in its presence | Apr 20 21:50 |
| _goblin | if it is happening? | Apr 20 21:50 |
| _goblin | I think life "adapts" not "does better" | Apr 20 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | Well, then there's the idea that humans surviving, in the long term, is the best thing that could happen | Apr 20 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | and then they fail to make their lies fit into my life expectancy so that I give a flying fuck | Apr 20 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 20 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | if that shit was supposed to all happen in 20 years, we'd all get rid of our cars | Apr 20 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | and recycle everything | Apr 20 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 20 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | that's the lie they need to fucking tell | Apr 20 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | it's all going to hit the fan in 20-30 years | Apr 20 21:52 |
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| _goblin | Im not sure about 20 years....the fall of man I believe will be something random like a comet strike......I think mankind is able to advance better in adversity and it takes a "big event" in order for our tech to take another leap. | Apr 20 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | the reason we need to transition off fossil fuels, that I agree with, are that they are finite, prices will only get higher, and foreigners control most of them | Apr 20 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | I agree with the need to get rid of them, just not the why | Apr 20 21:54 |
| _goblin | whats wrong with "foreigners" controlling them? We are all part of the same planet. | Apr 20 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | in the same time frame that prices have gotten higher, OPEC countries like the UAE are fixes with multi-trillion dollar pet projects | Apr 20 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | like creating artificial beaches to plant millionaire mansions on | Apr 20 21:55 |
| _goblin | and that effects you because.....? | Apr 20 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | and outdoor air conditioners for the beaches | Apr 20 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | want to talk about real fucking bad for the environment | Apr 20 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | outdoor air conditioner | Apr 20 21:56 |
| _goblin | but you said we are not harming the environment so surely you can't have a problem with outdoor air conditioners or mansions on beaches | Apr 20 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | it's mostly oil money from people that struggle paycheck to paycheck in other countries | Apr 20 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | no, I mean if there is such a thing as global warming | Apr 20 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | what about all the carbon in making fake beaches with McMansions | Apr 20 21:57 |
| _goblin | but you said you didn't believe it. | Apr 20 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | and outdoor A/C | Apr 20 21:57 |
| _goblin | so daemonfc do you or do you not believe that mankind is responsible for global warming? | Apr 20 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | why aren't they getting any UN flak over that? | Apr 20 21:57 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: in full or in part? | Apr 20 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | Why is it only countries that use the resources like they fucking cost something and are going away that get all the shit dumped on them? | Apr 20 21:58 |
| schestowitz | It's a broad question | Apr 20 21:58 |
| _goblin | so daemonfc do you or do you not believe that mankind is responsible for global warming? | Apr 20 21:58 |
| _goblin | sorry roy I'll answer you in a minute. | Apr 20 21:58 |
| schestowitz | OK | Apr 20 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | _goblin: Doubtful, and if there is such a thing, we're responsible for less than 20% of it | Apr 20 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | we're not the prime cause if it in fact exists at all | Apr 20 21:58 |
| _goblin | so then whats your problem with outdoor aircon? | Apr 20 21:58 |
| schestowitz | BTW, _goblin, my friend who's a professors sniffs out a part-time lectureship for me around London... I might live nearer to you | Apr 20 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | we need to outlaw nature | Apr 20 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | it's the only way to avert the looming crisis :) | Apr 20 21:59 |
| schestowitz | No | Apr 20 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Population size | Apr 20 21:59 |
| schestowitz | One kid per family | Apr 20 21:59 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: excellent, Im about 30 miles north of london | Apr 20 21:59 |
| schestowitz | AND... | Apr 20 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | China is stil lgrowing even with that policy | Apr 20 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't work | Apr 20 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Force families to adopt an animal | Apr 20 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Like a dolphin /sarcasm | Apr 20 21:59 |
| schestowitz | We need more animals | Apr 20 22:00 |
| _goblin | dolphin sarcasm? | Apr 20 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Endangered species esp. | Apr 20 22:00 |
| _goblin | thats coincidental....... | Apr 20 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Give it a slogan - natural family | Apr 20 22:00 |
| schestowitz | A family of more than just pets and humans | Apr 20 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Replace gardens with forests | Apr 20 22:00 |
| _goblin | on my latest article I was talking about bittorrent migration to the binaries with a picture of a dolphin and a caption "Goodbye and thanks for all the fish" | Apr 20 22:00 |
| schestowitz | More habitats, safaris, stuff... | Apr 20 22:00 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: added by now | Apr 20 22:01 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: are you awed too much to reply? | Apr 20 22:01 |
| schestowitz | SOrry, I interrupted. Off I go.. | Apr 20 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | replace landlords with co-ops | Apr 20 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 20 22:01 |
| _goblin | Daemonfc seems to be like 4 people using the same keyboard, each "opinion" contradicts the other. | Apr 20 22:01 |
| _goblin | he wants a new world yet admits he's not the one to run it. | Apr 20 22:02 |
| _goblin | he claims that man isn't responsible for global warming yet gets annoyed with outdoor aircon | Apr 20 22:02 |
| _goblin | daemonfc can you consider changing your handle? | Apr 20 22:03 |
| _goblin | why not call yourself (and you will appreciate this) | Apr 20 22:03 |
| _goblin | Legion - For we are many. | Apr 20 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | I've said that even if global warming exists, and even if it really is as bad as they say it is, Krakatoa exploded in 1883 and we have yet to match its carbon emissions | Apr 20 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 20 22:03 |
| _goblin | so whats your prob with outdoor aircon then? | Apr 20 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | so if predominantly natural forces are causing this supposed global warming, why try to stop it? | Apr 20 22:04 |
| _goblin | so whats your prob with outdoor aircon then? | Apr 20 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | even if we stopped using all of our technology, aren't we just prolonging it? | Apr 20 22:04 |
| _goblin | well thats the idea | Apr 20 22:04 |
| _goblin | some people are a little funny and would like to see mankind enjoy the earth a bit longer. | Apr 20 22:05 |
| _goblin | strange people them.....fancy not wanting the environment around a little longer.....why don't we just blow it all up now? | Apr 20 22:05 |
| _goblin | *remove the "not" | Apr 20 22:05 |
| _goblin | see daemonfc? some of us would like to TRY to save the planet even if the theory is wrong, I would like to do my bit even if there is a minute chance it will make a difference. | Apr 20 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | I don't care, either it is or isn't heading for total doom | Apr 20 22:09 |
| _goblin | Even if there is only a million in one chance that the environment can be saved by cutting back on emissions I would be prepared to do it. | Apr 20 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | and I either will or will die because of that event | Apr 20 22:09 |
| _goblin | like I say, I think though that the fall of mankind will come by a random act. | Apr 20 22:09 |
| _goblin | like a comet... | Apr 20 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | if I finish my entire natural life, why do I care if 5-6 generations later, the apocalypse happens? | Apr 20 22:09 |
| _goblin | you would if you are a budist. | Apr 20 22:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Am I the only person who still thinks it is weird to see the 'Я' in KoЯn as a perfectly normal character on a computer? | Apr 20 22:10 | |
| DaemonFC | people who think it's their responsibility to care about things that far out are delusional | Apr 20 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | every generation thus far has left me their problems | Apr 20 22:10 |
| _goblin | yeah...lets not care about anything or anyone. | Apr 20 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | did they care? | Apr 20 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | no, they're dead now | Apr 20 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | haha, my problem! | Apr 20 22:11 |
| _goblin | daemonfc have you ever thought of applying for a job at Microsoft? | Apr 20 22:11 |
| _goblin | I think you could be a damn good staffing officer for Ballmer | Apr 20 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | did the former owner of this house worry that in 20 years, their planet would rot out and I would have to spend hours on hours junking it and build something new? | Apr 20 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | no, because they fucking planted flowers in it 20 years ago, and they don't own the goddamned house now | Apr 20 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | think like that, only on a global scale | Apr 20 22:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @jonobacon Yes you are.... ;) Korn....shoots and ladders was my favorite track of theirs. | Apr 20 22:12 | |
| DaemonFC | *panter | Apr 20 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | errr | Apr 20 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | planter even | Apr 20 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | fuck it, in 100 years they'll have all kinds of advanced technology | Apr 20 22:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Now @jonobacon tweet has me listening to the classic track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6Tz2EF7oLw | Apr 20 22:13 | |
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| DaemonFC | certainly enough to survive a global catastrophe | Apr 20 22:13 |
| Omar87 | _goblin, and I'm still waiting for the email from the MS guy. :P | Apr 20 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | in 200 years, we'll leave and never come back | Apr 20 22:13 |
| _goblin | I think in 200 years you would already have left. | Apr 20 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | unless the Christians or Muslims manage to blow us all up before then | Apr 20 22:14 |
| _goblin | or Man U fans. | Apr 20 22:14 |
| _goblin | theres a religious group for you.... Man U fans..... | Apr 20 22:14 |
| _goblin | scourge of the planet | Apr 20 22:14 |
| Omar87 | _goblin, actually I don't think he even knows my e-mail altogether. | Apr 20 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | there's no greater threat to the survival of humans than religion | Apr 20 22:14 |
| _goblin | or football | Apr 20 22:15 |
| _goblin | and Im not talking about your mickey mouse version ;) Im talking about the real game | Apr 20 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | religion has done more damage to the planet than any amount of CO2 ever has or will | Apr 20 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 20 22:15 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, Please stop talking about something that's way beyond the tiny level of your perception. | Apr 20 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | if not for Christians and Muslims, technology would be 600-800 years more advanced than it is now | Apr 20 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | they do nothing but hold progress back | Apr 20 22:16 |
| _goblin | omar87: That limits what he can say.......Im not sure what he can talk about then ;) | Apr 20 22:16 |
| _goblin | daemonfc: You heard of the bagdad battery? | Apr 20 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | I know that with technology 600-800 years more advanced than our own, we'd have colonized at least 100 other planets by now | Apr 20 22:16 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, it's like a 4-month old baby discussing the "e = mc^2". | Apr 20 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | and would not be having the CO2 conversation | Apr 20 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | so religion has damaged society more than CO2 has damaged Earth | Apr 20 22:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #PCLinuxOS has finally moved to KDE4 and it looks fantastic. Well done to them! | Apr 20 22:17 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Indeed, after my last tweet, it turns out I am a culturally insensitive clod regarding Russian language. Free smacks to me for everyone! | Apr 20 22:17 | |
| _goblin | So interstella travel has been hampered by religion has it? Ive heard it all now. | Apr 20 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | prevented | Apr 20 22:17 |
| _goblin | ah | Apr 20 22:18 |
| _goblin | so what you are saying is I could have been Captain Pickard by now if it wasn't for religion | Apr 20 22:18 |
| _goblin | daemonfc you could be Wesley Crusher | Apr 20 22:19 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, it's never about religion. It's about you being a total ignorant. | Apr 20 22:19 |
| schestowitz | [22:11] <_goblin> daemonfc have you ever thought of applying for a job at Microsoft? | Apr 20 22:19 |
| _goblin | Omar87: Ive renamed him....he's called Legion. | Apr 20 22:20 |
| schestowitz | He wanted to work at the Microsoft Store | Apr 20 22:20 |
| schestowitz | He wrote it here | Apr 20 22:20 |
| _goblin | lol | Apr 20 22:20 |
| _goblin | good effort | Apr 20 22:20 |
| schestowitz | ANd he's a former MVP, Microsoft Valuable Hypocrite :-) | Apr 20 22:20 |
| _goblin | wouldn't that be MVH | Apr 20 22:20 |
| Omar87 | :-) | Apr 20 22:20 |
| _goblin | can you be a former MVP? | Apr 20 22:21 |
| _goblin | what happened, stripped of rank? | Apr 20 22:21 |
| _goblin | struck off | Apr 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: he's reformed though | Apr 20 22:21 |
| _goblin | I thought the MVP branding was for life, just like on cattle. | Apr 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | When he first came here raving he annoyed people | Apr 20 22:21 |
| Omar87 | _goblin, No. It's MVP, but since MS knows no standards, eventually the P transforms into an H for no damn reason. :P | Apr 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | But I quite like him now | Apr 20 22:21 |
| _goblin | I like him too | Apr 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | We need to be polite even to those whom we disagree with | Apr 20 22:22 |
| schestowitz | They become our friends | Apr 20 22:22 |
| _goblin | I think he plays bad guy on purpose alot of the time. | Apr 20 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 20 22:22 |
| _goblin | sort of like a wrestler | Apr 20 22:22 |
| schestowitz | it begs for answers | Apr 20 22:22 |
| schestowitz | I have friend who do this | Apr 20 22:22 |
| _goblin | devils advocate.... | Apr 20 22:23 |
| schestowitz | One of them at the gym pretended he did not believe (as in proponent) of biological science | Apr 20 22:23 |
| schestowitz | But he's a physiology professor | Apr 20 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Later he said he was just testing for a fake debate | Apr 20 22:23 |
| schestowitz | http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/locutus/i-have-found-an-inheritance-38182 | Apr 20 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | I do this too sometimes | Apr 20 22:23 |
| _goblin | I can see the appeal actually, I like taking an unwinable viewpoint and trying to "win" | Apr 20 22:24 |
| schestowitz | I pretend to be ignorant and ask questions to get people's inner secrets out | Apr 20 22:24 |
| _goblin | theres a term for that.... | Apr 20 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Some find it amusing, few don't | Apr 20 22:24 |
| _goblin | can't think what it is.... | Apr 20 22:24 |
| schestowitz | It's like the judge-of-character thing | Apr 20 22:24 |
| _goblin | I like doing the "Columbo" | Apr 20 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Testing for reactions | Apr 20 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Esp. works well for introvert | Apr 20 22:24 |
| _goblin | being the friend until the end and then presenting them with the evidence. | Apr 20 22:25 |
| schestowitz | I have this friend whose whole life is marathon | Apr 20 22:25 |
| schestowitz | And I can bring out his rationale for it | Apr 20 22:25 |
| _goblin | I stopped eating them when they changed to snickers. | Apr 20 22:25 |
| _goblin | I prefer mars. | Apr 20 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | ewww | Apr 20 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | those things with the coconut? | Apr 20 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Overprices junk | Apr 20 22:25 |
| _goblin | nah... | Apr 20 22:25 |
| MinceR | no, the ones with coconut stuff are called bounty | Apr 20 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Glucose bars with ads and nice packaging | Apr 20 22:26 |
| *MinceR likes them all | Apr 20 22:26 | |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, Mars has coconut here | Apr 20 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | they are revolting | Apr 20 22:26 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: glucose is important for life :> | Apr 20 22:26 |
| _goblin | oh dear... | Apr 20 22:26 |
| schestowitz | "Milky way......... It's LIKE I'm EATING A WHOLE FRIGGIN GLALAXY! | Apr 20 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | I like Twix :D | Apr 20 22:26 |
| _goblin | Im a big Kinder fan myself | Apr 20 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | all flavors | Apr 20 22:26 |
| _goblin | flavours? | Apr 20 22:26 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: you can eat it in water | Apr 20 22:26 |
| _goblin | isn't there just one? | Apr 20 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | Twix has cookies and cream, original, and caramel flavors | Apr 20 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | they are all good | Apr 20 22:27 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: almost all the food we eat is mostly water :> | Apr 20 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Solubale... like that which is used for insulin control | Apr 20 22:27 |
| MinceR | if not all | Apr 20 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | Whatchmacallit bars are also good | Apr 20 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Kinder sucks | Apr 20 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Too little content | Apr 20 22:27 |
| _goblin | why can't you Americans just be happy with one brand of Twix? ;) It was your fault that Marathon got renamed. | Apr 20 22:27 |
| schestowitz | The plastic has no nutritional value | Apr 20 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | _goblin: It's easiest to find the Caramel ones | Apr 20 22:27 |
| _goblin | its a devil to pass aswell. | Apr 20 22:27 |
| schestowitz | And the stuff inside can make you suffocate (not that I tested this theory) | Apr 20 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | for a while, most places stocked them all | Apr 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: damn you | Apr 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | YOU | Apr 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | YOU are mostly water | Apr 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Not THERE | Apr 20 22:28 |
| MinceR | i know | Apr 20 22:28 |
| MinceR | and so are you | Apr 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | *Now | Apr 20 22:28 |
| _goblin | Im actually silicon based... | Apr 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: watermelon man! :-) :-) | Apr 20 22:28 |
| MinceR | nope | Apr 20 22:28 |
| _goblin | you puny carbon life forms. | Apr 20 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | I hate Mars bars | Apr 20 22:29 |
| schestowitz | "Yo momma is so gentle she's got as much water content as a watermelon" :-) | Apr 20 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | Butterfinger bars are disgusting too | Apr 20 22:29 |
| _goblin | ? butterfingers? | Apr 20 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Ha | Apr 20 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | not as disgusting as Mars, but they are still terrible | Apr 20 22:29 |
| schestowitz | At least you said butter and now butt | Apr 20 22:29 |
| _goblin | lol | Apr 20 22:29 |
| _goblin | that sounds rather unpleasant for a snack | Apr 20 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: not a snack | Apr 20 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | http://ueliswelt.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/butterfinger.jpg?w=450 | Apr 20 22:30 |
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| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfinger | Apr 20 22:30 |
| _goblin | Doesn't look too bad. | Apr 20 22:30 |
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| DaemonFC | sickeningly sweet | Apr 20 22:31 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: it looks like it came out of the butt[er] | Apr 20 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | the insides stick in your teeth | Apr 20 22:31 |
| _goblin | lol | Apr 20 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Keep in cold conditions | Apr 20 22:31 |
| _goblin | what are we talking about here Daemon? | Apr 20 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Refrigirated | Apr 20 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | Butterfinger bars | Apr 20 22:31 |
| _goblin | ah | Apr 20 22:31 |
| _goblin | good. | Apr 20 22:31 |
| schestowitz | ELse "may cause diarrhoea | Apr 20 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | I can't stand things sticking to my teeth | Apr 20 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | major reason I always drink diet soda | Apr 20 22:32 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: I got that from Vista. | Apr 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Werters orginal? | Apr 20 22:32 |
| _goblin | never liked those. | Apr 20 22:32 |
| MinceR | good stuff. | Apr 20 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | those are good | Apr 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | The toffee types of it are like edible glue | Apr 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | I have that | Apr 20 22:32 |
| _goblin | how about this one.... | Apr 20 22:32 |
| _goblin | Mr Choc | Apr 20 22:32 |
| MinceR | i like both the hard and the soft version | Apr 20 22:32 |
| MinceR | i don't know Mr Choc | Apr 20 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Creamy and condensed | Apr 20 22:33 |
| schestowitz | I grew up on lots of Werters | Apr 20 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Polo makes me sick now | Apr 20 22:33 |
| MinceR | :D | Apr 20 22:33 |
| schestowitz | I bought like 200 packs in 2004 | Apr 20 22:33 |
| schestowitz | COuldn't stand their sight after a while, gave them away | Apr 20 22:33 |
| _goblin | Twirl...now thats the king of choc in the UK | Apr 20 22:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/01/hugo-chavez-venezuela-spain-eta | Apr 20 22:34 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Hugo Chávez 'terrorist link' sparks diplomatic row between Spain and Venezuela |World news |The Guardian .::. Size~: 66.3 KB | Apr 20 22:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2010/apr/12/pope-trial-law-equality-leaders | Apr 20 22:35 |
| _goblin | Im loving this volcano.....no planes in the sky over my house......great stuff | Apr 20 22:35 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The pope on trial would show what equality before the law means | George Monbiot |Comment is free |The Guardian .::. Size~: 174.38 KB | Apr 20 22:35 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: thoughts? ^^ | Apr 20 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | yay Google conversions | Apr 20 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | meters to feet this time :) | Apr 20 22:35 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, some people claimed I'm keeping the KIN buss around when I tell people about MS's scandalous pro-sexting ads. | Apr 20 22:37 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: Im not really one to comment on the Pope....what I will say is that there are bad people in all walks of life.....and would refer you to: "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again | Apr 20 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: http://banksterusa.org/headlines.xml | Apr 20 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: we're all humans | Apr 20 22:39 |
| _goblin | exactly. | Apr 20 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Even people with top hats | Apr 20 22:39 |
| schestowitz | And gowns and stuff | Apr 20 22:39 |
| _goblin | pope, police officer , politician ........can't think of anymore....tired. | Apr 20 22:39 |
| _goblin | porter | Apr 20 22:40 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhD0MxacnIE | Apr 20 22:40 |
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| schestowitz | We're being disciplined since a young ages to recognise authority | Apr 20 22:41 |
| schestowitz | http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2010/02/colombia-constitutional-court-strikes.php | Apr 20 22:41 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: JURIST - Legal News and Research .::. Size~: 61.71 KB | Apr 20 22:41 |
| schestowitz | "President Horrible" | Apr 20 22:41 |
| schestowitz | Alvaro Uribe | Apr 20 22:42 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: but without authority what do we have? Can we expect people to behave without authority? Do you think without it the entire planet would get along? | Apr 20 22:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/apr/16/digital-economy-act-cory-doctorow | Apr 20 22:42 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Digital Economy Act: This means war | Cory Doctorow |Technology |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 190.28 KB | Apr 20 22:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/04/16/this-means-war-big-c.html | Apr 20 22:42 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: This means war: Big Content's war on democracy - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 110.17 KB | Apr 20 22:42 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: yes | Apr 20 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Worked OK for many years | Apr 20 22:43 |
| _goblin | really? | Apr 20 22:43 |
| schestowitz | It's like saying, without laws people will murder and rape | Apr 20 22:43 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: So what happens when the drug user with a knife wants your wallet? | Apr 20 22:43 |
| schestowitz | As though before the legends of religious revelations it was chaos | Apr 20 22:43 |
| schestowitz | As DaemonFC would know, religion and laws only brought discriminations with them | Apr 20 22:43 |
| _goblin | its hoped that law provides a deterrent to some, a punishment to others and hopefully a rehabilitation to all. | Apr 20 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Institutionalisation of culture | Apr 20 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Policing of one's choice, inc. those that do not interfere with another's liberty | Apr 20 22:44 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: depends which laws | Apr 20 22:44 |
| _goblin | You know that the UK doesn't have a police force? | Apr 20 22:44 |
| schestowitz | UCC? | Apr 20 22:44 |
| _goblin | its a police service. | Apr 20 22:45 |
| schestowitz | They use force | Apr 20 22:45 |
| _goblin | policing by consent of the public... | Apr 20 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes | Apr 20 22:45 |
| _goblin | and no.....some use force | Apr 20 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Smedley... | Apr 20 22:45 |
| _goblin | others don't | Apr 20 22:45 |
| _goblin | just like one robber might stab you another won't | Apr 20 22:45 |
| schestowitz | They give tickets | Apr 20 22:45 |
| _goblin | or words of advice | Apr 20 22:45 |
| schestowitz | They watch [CC] TV | Apr 20 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Etc. | Apr 20 22:45 |
| _goblin | not really..... | Apr 20 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Police does not directly stop stabbing | Apr 20 22:46 |
| _goblin | CCTV is "as well as" not instead of other evidence in a caseful | Apr 20 22:46 |
| schestowitz | It can arrest after the act | Apr 20 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Preventing repetition | Apr 20 22:46 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: and prevent. | Apr 20 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Not always | Apr 20 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Rarely | Apr 20 22:46 |
| _goblin | no always no...but you can't tell me how much crime has been prevented because its unmeasurable. | Apr 20 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Maybe if the stabber is stoner/drunk and flauts the weapon | Apr 20 22:47 |
| schestowitz | CCTV does not stop senseless criminals | Apr 20 22:47 |
| schestowitz | It helps convict/catch them | Apr 20 22:47 |
| _goblin | and it goes without saying that someone with criminal intent is less likely to do it if they think they will get caught. | Apr 20 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Time could be better spent patrolling and responding to incident | Apr 20 22:47 |
| schestowitz | *dents | Apr 20 22:47 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: some are too stupid for that | Apr 20 22:47 |
| _goblin | Roy, CCTV viewing is done by civies. | Apr 20 22:48 |
| schestowitz | You think of yourself in the criminal's shoes | Apr 20 22:48 |
| _goblin | SOMETIMES its supervised by a single officer. | Apr 20 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Not the first person of a narcotics addict | Apr 20 22:48 |
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| TechrightsBot | Title: Oh Look, UK Piracy Statistics Are Based On Nonsense Too | Techdirt .::. Size~: 22.36 KB | Apr 20 22:48 |
| _goblin | CCTV is good for the public.... | Apr 20 22:49 |
| _goblin | its just nobody has considered why. | Apr 20 22:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/04/16/this-means-war-big-c.html | Apr 20 22:49 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: This means war: Big Content's war on democracy - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 110.17 KB | Apr 20 22:49 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: just how much of it? | Apr 20 22:49 |
| _goblin | CCTV is made out in the press as the be all and end all of police evidence...they make a big deal about Police using it.....nobody has considered that just as it can help convict an offender, it can also prove innocence... | Apr 20 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Do they need to install CCTV in people's rectum too? | Apr 20 22:50 |
| _goblin | if its a crime hotspot, yes. | Apr 20 22:50 |
| schestowitz | For forensic samples in real-time? | Apr 20 22:50 |
| _goblin | at 70 grand a go though, it would have to be a very important bottom. | Apr 20 22:50 |
| schestowitz | So why has crime surged? | Apr 20 22:50 |
| _goblin | good question. | Apr 20 22:51 |
| schestowitz | [knows what you'll see] | Apr 20 22:51 |
| _goblin | I can answer that | Apr 20 22:51 |
| schestowitz | It's like with copyright violations | Apr 20 22:51 |
| _goblin | Its REPORTED crime that has surged and theres a very simple answer. | Apr 20 22:51 |
| _goblin | Mobile phones. | Apr 20 22:51 |
| schestowitz | You clog up one pipe, they come out from another | Apr 20 22:51 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: hehe | Apr 20 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Bad answer, IMHO | Apr 20 22:51 |
| schestowitz | I thought you'd say financial collapse (i.e. corruption) | Apr 20 22:51 |
| _goblin | years ago when people saw crime, they didn't have the facility to call police, they would leave it until later or not phone at all....now people can call police immediately hence more reports. | Apr 20 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Oh wait | Apr 20 22:52 |
| schestowitz | I thought you argued they attack people for their phones | Apr 20 22:52 |
| schestowitz | But that does not make much sense | Apr 20 22:52 |
| _goblin | because if you are going to mention about the surge in reported crime, its only fair that you mention that surge in sanctioned detections. | Apr 20 22:52 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: how's crime in IN? | Apr 20 22:53 |
| _goblin | it comes down to the fact that people can ring police easily and from any location.....via mobile....every call is a crime/incident record. | Apr 20 22:53 |
| schestowitz | The police would take that into account | Apr 20 22:54 |
| schestowitz | And yet... | Apr 20 22:54 |
| _goblin | let me also give a benefit of the surge in reports. | Apr 20 22:54 |
| schestowitz | They don't seem to be arguing that, based on what I read at leas | Apr 20 22:54 |
| schestowitz | *t | Apr 20 22:54 |
| _goblin | people are now starting to report hate crimes....traditionally these went unreported....so its good people feel able to report homophobic hate crime or race hate crime. | Apr 20 22:54 |
| _goblin | and people are encouraged to report these matters. | Apr 20 22:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/17/melilla-migrants-eu-spain-morocco | Apr 20 22:55 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Melilla: Europe's dirty secret | Spain | Morocco | EU |World news |The Guardian .::. Size~: 79.66 KB | Apr 20 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Mostly petty stuff | Apr 20 22:55 |
| schestowitz | They cover this dude's eyes like that obscures who he is | Apr 20 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | meth's pretty big | Apr 20 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | funny when they blow themselves up though | Apr 20 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Is it true that Fergie went on it? | Apr 20 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2010/0420/Supreme-Court-rejects-animal-cruelty-law-upholds-free-speech | Apr 20 22:55 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Supreme Court rejects animal cruelty law, upholds free speech / The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com .::. Size~: 68.09 KB | Apr 20 22:55 |
| schestowitz | The guy I spoke to on Sunday said his friend competes vs Fergie for Black Eyes Peas | Apr 20 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Then he took a shot at her fr drugs | Apr 20 22:56 |
| _goblin | by the way........useless fact here.... *re: above link | Apr 20 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Not something I've heard about | Apr 20 22:56 |
| _goblin | there is not offence of cruelty to anything that doesn't have a backbone....hang on....I think I mentioned that before. | Apr 20 22:56 |
| _goblin | Im campaigning for equal rights for Jelly Fish | Apr 20 22:57 |
| _goblin | and Microsoft employees.........oh hang on, I think Ive done that crack before. | Apr 20 22:57 |
| _goblin | sorry......I'll get some new material.... | Apr 20 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Wouldn't their ruling make pssession, transport, and sale of child pornography legal too? | Apr 20 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | based on their findings | Apr 20 22:58 |
| _goblin | well if you remove laws....anything goes....people can do what they like.... | Apr 20 22:58 |
| _goblin | people need to be supervised....unfortunately | Apr 20 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | well, you could argue that child porn is free speech on the same findings they used to strike down the animal cruelty law | Apr 20 22:59 |
| _goblin | you could argue that....but you won't though..... | Apr 20 22:59 |
| _goblin | because you know its morally wrong. | Apr 20 22:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/art-levine/missing-lesson-from-mine_b_533507.html | Apr 20 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | [22:57] <_goblin> and Microsoft employees.........oh hang on, I think Ive done that crack before. | Apr 20 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft employees have no rights as Microsoft employees | Apr 20 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Only as private citizens | Apr 20 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | people who would argue that are as ethically void as people who torture animals for fun | Apr 20 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | at least as much | Apr 20 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | so why hand the animal torturers a victory and leave the kiddie porn filmers who are using their free speech out? | Apr 20 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | same kind of person in my opinion | Apr 20 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Some go violent | Apr 20 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Not against humans | Apr 20 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Burning huts and stuff | Apr 20 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Liberation fronts | Apr 20 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Wearing veils and stuff | Apr 20 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Not good diplomacy | Apr 20 23:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/18/haiti-tension-gang-violence-preval | Apr 20 23:03 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Gang violence increases as angry Haitians see quake aid benefiting the wealthy elite |World news |The Observer .::. Size~: 98.79 KB | Apr 20 23:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/18/haiti-tension-gang-violence-preval | Apr 20 23:03 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Gang violence increases as angry Haitians see quake aid benefiting the wealthy elite |World news |The Observer .::. Size~: 98.79 KB | Apr 20 23:03 |
| schestowitz | Carton: http://www.againstmonopoly.org/index.php?perm=593056000000002862 | Apr 20 23:03 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Against Monopoly .::. Size~: 25.97 KB | Apr 20 23:03 |
| schestowitz | *toon | Apr 20 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | actually, I do think that if they legalized the possession and sale of this type of stuff, it would be far easier to prosecute the people who made it | Apr 20 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | many more copies of the evidence of their crime floating around | Apr 20 23:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.againstmonopoly.org/index.php?perm=593056000000002866 " | Apr 20 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | But interestingly, the site for a film about patent absurdity contains this notice: "Movie copyright © 2010 Luca Lucarini." | Apr 20 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Consistency FAIL! | Apr 20 23:04 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure he's fine with FAIR USE | Apr 20 23:05 |
| schestowitz | All he did was edit some interviews anyway | Apr 20 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | http://gadgetwise.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/16/is-youtubes-safety-mode-safe-not-very/?partner=rss&emc=rss | Apr 20 23:07 |
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| _goblin | schestowitz: no re: rights....I was meaning having no backbone, like the jellyfish... | Apr 20 23:08 |
| schestowitz | http://kotaku.com/5518134/dungeons--dragons-online-players-unite-to-topple-offer-wall | Apr 20 23:12 |
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| schestowitz | jellyfish lacks many other properties of other animals | Apr 20 23:12 |
| schestowitz | btw, the human eyes sucks compared to others | Apr 20 23:12 |
| schestowitz | I know creationists love using the human eye as an example of something good, so... | Apr 20 23:12 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: let me show you some old Dawkins lectures... | Apr 20 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Part of this series: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT1vXXMsYak | Apr 20 23:13 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- Ep3: Climbing Mount Improbable - Growing Up in the Universe - Richard Dawkins .::. Size~: 92.73 KB | Apr 20 23:13 |
| cubezzz | ask Dawkins how the universe got created :) | Apr 20 23:14 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: read his book the God delusion | Apr 20 23:15 |
| cubezzz | that's the real question | Apr 20 23:15 |
| _goblin | oh this is classic....... | Apr 20 23:15 |
| _goblin | who's profile is this: | Apr 20 23:15 |
| _goblin | "Some persons describe my passion for Microsoft products as over the top and think of me as a paid shill. But I'm quite the opposite, I just happen to like the Company's products and cohesive solutions that enables a rich set of experiences and seamless productivity. " | Apr 20 23:15 |
| _goblin | Lol.... | Apr 20 23:15 |
| MinceR | de icaza? | Apr 20 23:16 |
| _goblin | "I dont shill but"..."like the Company's products and cohesive solutions that enables a rich set of experiences and seamless productivity" | Apr 20 23:16 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: let me show you a good channel on that | Apr 20 23:16 |
| schestowitz | It's one that I'm watching this week: http://www.youtube.com/user/philhellenes#p/u/16/y8A9DEeglXI | Apr 20 23:16 |
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| MinceR | "i don't shill but" <copy/paste from official PR material> ;) | Apr 20 23:16 |
| _goblin | MinceR: Spot on.....its his modified Mr Dee profile.... | Apr 20 23:16 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 20 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Oops. Start here: http://www.youtube.com/user/philhellenes#p/u/14/4qymoktf0wY | Apr 20 23:16 |
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| schestowitz | He has many good videos (the one I've gone through so far) | Apr 20 23:16 |
| _goblin | It gets better.... | Apr 20 23:17 |
| _goblin | "I have a personal technology blog with strong emphasis on Windows and Windows Live " | Apr 20 23:17 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I think he's religious | Apr 20 23:17 |
| _goblin | no Andre, you have a blog dedicated to Microsoft. | Apr 20 23:17 |
| cubezzz | either the universe is infinitely old or somehow it gets restarted | Apr 20 23:17 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: he obviously is | Apr 20 23:17 |
| schestowitz | But it's common in north America | Apr 20 23:17 |
| MinceR | m$ religion | Apr 20 23:17 |
| cubezzz | ugh, don't say that :) | Apr 20 23:17 |
| _goblin | let us pray.... | Apr 20 23:18 |
| cubezzz | that's the worst kind | Apr 20 23:18 |
| _goblin | oh Ballmer who art in heaven | Apr 20 23:18 |
| cubezzz | that's Devil worship :) | Apr 20 23:18 |
| _goblin | Vista be thy name | Apr 20 23:18 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: or parallels others if it's curved | Apr 20 23:18 |
| MinceR | let us spray... FUD all over the world | Apr 20 23:18 |
| _goblin | lol | Apr 20 23:18 |
| _goblin | and led us not into Open source | Apr 20 23:18 |
| schestowitz | I'm quite well versed in the history of the universe | Apr 20 23:18 |
| _goblin | but deliver us from Stallman | Apr 20 23:18 |
| schestowitz | But it's not something I write/lecture about publicly, so it's waste | Apr 20 23:18 |
| cubezzz | nah, it's never a waste to think | Apr 20 23:19 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: is that the archaic translation from Aramaic? | Apr 20 23:19 |
| schestowitz | It's funny how words are still made more complicated by choice | Apr 20 23:20 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: I think it was translated from the dead sea scrolls | Apr 20 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Like pseudo-science and fraudsters use scientific-sounding words to sell placebos | Apr 20 23:20 |
| _goblin | just like the face on Mars is actually Ballmer | Apr 20 23:20 |
| cubezzz | ok, my useless theory is Universe X came from Universe X-1 :) | Apr 20 23:20 |
| cubezzz | and so on... | Apr 20 23:20 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: they need the high-res picture | Apr 20 23:20 |
| schestowitz | They have meters per pixels now | Apr 20 23:20 |
| _goblin | cubezzz: come on, we all now Microsoft invented the universe. | Apr 20 23:21 |
| _goblin | *know | Apr 20 23:21 |
| schestowitz | There's nothing really resembling human face on Mars | Apr 20 23:21 |
| schestowitz | It's a shi**y small planet anyway | Apr 20 23:21 |
| _goblin | thats what I mean.....its ballmer | Apr 20 23:21 |
| schestowitz | We need to look at Europa | Apr 20 23:21 |
| cubezzz | the worst won re: software | Apr 20 23:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | [05:24:35] <schestowitz> Diablo-D3: http://banksterusa.org/headlines.xml | Apr 20 23:21 |
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| _goblin | Im going to resist the urge for a Beavis and Butthead crack about...."what about uranus" | Apr 20 23:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: iirc I told you about that site | Apr 20 23:21 |
| schestowitz | It's related to PR Watch | Apr 20 23:22 |
| schestowitz | They read me | Apr 20 23:22 |
| cubezzz | banksters is quite apt | Apr 20 23:22 |
| schestowitz | See the banner | Apr 20 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Bullet holes | Apr 20 23:22 |
| schestowitz | WIld Wild Wall Street | Apr 20 23:22 |
| cubezzz | you know the white house used to have solar panels on the roof? | Apr 20 23:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: didnt bush have them removed? | Apr 20 23:23 |
| cubezzz | and Reagan has them taken down :) | Apr 20 23:23 |
| schestowitz | There was an urban legend about it | Apr 20 23:23 |
| schestowitz | That Bush removed it, IIRC | Apr 20 23:23 |
| cubezzz | no Reagan | Apr 20 23:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | that seems iffy | Apr 20 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Oh. | Apr 20 23:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | there were no good solar panel techs back then | Apr 20 23:23 |
| schestowitz | The Clown #1 | Apr 20 23:23 |
| cubezzz | Carter had them put up, it's documented | Apr 20 23:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | man | Apr 20 23:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | carter was our worst president, you know why? | Apr 20 23:24 |
| schestowitz | They should also hand laundry out by the windows | Apr 20 23:24 |
| schestowitz | *hang | Apr 20 23:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | because he used his office for good, not evil | Apr 20 23:24 |
| _goblin | I feel sorry for the Research Assistant at University of Leeds....... | Apr 20 23:24 |
| cubezzz | that's odd Diablo-D3 | Apr 20 23:24 |
| _goblin | his name is Andre Da Costa.......poor guy. | Apr 20 23:24 |
| schestowitz | WHich one, _goblin? | Apr 20 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Heh | Apr 20 23:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: I was making a joke | Apr 20 23:24 |
| schestowitz | MJ fetish | Apr 20 23:24 |
| cubezzz | maybe Obama will put the solar panels back up | Apr 20 23:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | wait | Apr 20 23:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | andre da costa as in mr dee? | Apr 20 23:25 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: to power his teleprompter :-) | Apr 20 23:25 |
| cubezzz | Diablo-D3, I've heard other Americans say Carter was the worst, and I never understood that | Apr 20 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Nixon | Apr 20 23:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: he basically did nothing because congress refused to let him do anything | Apr 20 23:26 |
| _goblin | Andre Da Costa from Leeds - "I´m currently finishing my PhD on Biomarkers associated with carcinogenic and immunotoxic compounds found in the diet." | Apr 20 23:26 |
| schestowitz | But Texas education does revionism for him now | Apr 20 23:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: he wanted to feed the hungry, and house the homeless, and all that shit | Apr 20 23:26 |
| schestowitz | *revisionism | Apr 20 23:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | nixon is easily the most evil | Apr 20 23:26 |
| cubezzz | yeah I think everyone agrees with that | Apr 20 23:26 |
| _goblin | ".....and I can't understand why people keep pointing at me in the street shouting "Shill" and why Microsoft keep sending me freebies" | Apr 20 23:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: who is he, though | Apr 20 23:27 |
| schestowitz | It's funny how he invited the Carpenters | Apr 20 23:27 |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 20 23:27 |
| schestowitz | To wash his reputation | Apr 20 23:27 |
| _goblin | ok...the second part of his statement I added. | Apr 20 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Name duplicated | Apr 20 23:27 |
| _goblin | http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/andre-da-costa/13/7A6/76A | Apr 20 23:27 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Andre da Costa - LinkedIn .::. Size~: 18.64 KB | Apr 20 23:27 |
| cubezzz | I'm still trying to decide if things are better now than the 70's | Apr 20 23:27 |
| cubezzz | I think we have more parks now | Apr 20 23:27 |
| _goblin | I'd say so. | Apr 20 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has a dossier | Apr 20 23:28 |
| _goblin | I have a faster car | Apr 20 23:28 |
| _goblin | and bike | Apr 20 23:28 |
| _goblin | Monster Munch is smaller though..... | Apr 20 23:28 |
| _goblin | so are wagon wheels | Apr 20 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Motoric? | Apr 20 23:28 |
| _goblin | and I miss the hard toilet paper | Apr 20 23:28 |
| cubezzz | I remember that commercial from the 70's the one with the native guy canoeing down the stream | Apr 20 23:28 |
| cubezzz | and he passes this huge factory belching pollution all over the place :) | Apr 20 23:29 |
| _goblin | Milk Tray were actually a gift worth giving then......nowadays if I bought my wife them she would kick my head in. | Apr 20 23:29 |
| _goblin | free toys in cereal.... | Apr 20 23:30 |
| cubezzz | Monster Munch? | Apr 20 23:30 |
| _goblin | and football stickers 10 for 5p | Apr 20 23:30 |
| _goblin | chrisps | Apr 20 23:30 |
| _goblin | well corn snacks | Apr 20 23:30 |
| schestowitz | http://robertreich.org/post/509193412/why-more-immigrants-are-an-answer-to-the-coming-boomer | Apr 20 23:30 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Robert Reich (Why More Immigrants Are An Answer to the Coming Boomer Entitlement Mess) .::. Size~: 78.98 KB | Apr 20 23:30 |
| cubezzz | yeah the wagon wheels are way smaller | Apr 20 23:31 |
| schestowitz | I heard the theory from a mate that we rely on growth of population to pay back deficits | Apr 20 23:31 |
| cubezzz | probably true schestowitz | Apr 20 23:31 |
| schestowitz | I.e. countries can procrastinate by growing the population | Apr 20 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Big Petri dish experiment on Earth | Apr 20 23:31 |
| cubezzz | in the 70's people were saying to cut back on consumption | Apr 20 23:31 |
| cubezzz | and others said "no no that will wreck the economy" | Apr 20 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Not the planet | Apr 20 23:32 |
| cubezzz | at least they got rid of those huge 70's cars :) | Apr 20 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Extraction has limits | Apr 20 23:32 |
| schestowitz | We turn mountains to landfills, then put junk in them | Apr 20 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Blow mountain, take material, use up, bury | Apr 20 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Leaky poisons go to water level | Apr 20 23:33 |
| schestowitz | We build houses atop trash | Apr 20 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Like those house that were built on top ww2 trenches | Apr 20 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Poisoning kids | Apr 20 23:33 |
| cubezzz | oh the commercial I was talking about: | Apr 20 23:33 |
| cubezzz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R-FZsysQNw | Apr 20 23:34 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- 70's PSA Keep America Beautiful (Crying Indian) .::. Size~: 82.06 KB | Apr 20 23:34 |
| cubezzz | I'm old enough to remember it :) | Apr 20 23:34 |
| schestowitz | ANd poison factories that quietly give cancer to residents who buy their property cheap without knowing the reason for low cost | Apr 20 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Like the "haunted house" tales, but with real ghosts... nuclear ones | Apr 20 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Or mustard gas | Apr 20 23:34 |
| _goblin | Just saw that ad.... | Apr 20 23:35 |
| _goblin | how do we know he had a problem with advancing civilisation.... | Apr 20 23:35 |
| schestowitz | Indians (First people) lived well with nature | Apr 20 23:35 |
| _goblin | it looks like he dumped his boat and was looking enviously at the cars. | Apr 20 23:35 |
| schestowitz | Canoe is fun | Apr 20 23:36 |
| cubezzz | he didn't, the actor was Italian, but adopted native customs | Apr 20 23:36 |
| cubezzz | ;-) | Apr 20 23:36 |
| schestowitz | They needed today's medicine though | Apr 20 23:36 |
| _goblin | and when the rubbish fell to his feet could he not be wondering "Where do I get this stuff?" | Apr 20 23:36 |
| _goblin | I think thats more of an advert of the integration of a diverse spectrum of cultures into modern society...... ;) | Apr 20 23:36 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: no native talent? | Apr 20 23:37 |
| cubezzz | yeah they cut down the part where he goes to McDonalds at the end :) | Apr 20 23:37 |
| schestowitz | This was in "Related:" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypIbTpnuNgg&NR=1 | Apr 20 23:37 |
| cubezzz | I guess not | Apr 20 23:37 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- Racist Commercial .::. Size~: 83.43 KB | Apr 20 23:37 |
| _goblin | and gets a car | Apr 20 23:37 |
| cubezzz | people are still throwing junk out of their cars though | Apr 20 23:38 |
| _goblin | not at native indians though. | Apr 20 23:38 |
| _goblin | surely? | Apr 20 23:38 |
| cubezzz | lol | Apr 20 23:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15868004 | Apr 20 23:38 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Protecting creativity: Copyright and wrong | The Economist .::. Size~: 57.77 KB | Apr 20 23:38 |
| schestowitz | it's not very racist | Apr 20 23:38 |
| schestowitz | I've just watched it | Apr 20 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Reminded me of That 70s Show | Apr 20 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Fez | Apr 20 23:39 |
| cubezzz | let's just say there's still room for improvement | Apr 20 23:39 |
| cubezzz | the 70's show is wierd | Apr 20 23:39 |
| cubezzz | weird even | Apr 20 23:39 |
| cubezzz | the anti-cable ad is interesting too: | Apr 20 23:40 |
| cubezzz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIgZHZpiq1U&feature=related | Apr 20 23:40 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- Creepy Anti-Cable (Pay TV) PSA from the 70's .::. Size~: 81.91 KB | Apr 20 23:40 |
| cubezzz | but now antenna is making a comeback | Apr 20 23:40 |
| _goblin | that throwing rubbish part, puts me in mind of.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZzvwipf72k | Apr 20 23:41 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- Balls of Steel | Neg's Burger Bowl Off | Channel 4 .::. Size~: 84.84 KB | Apr 20 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Bankster Blog - http://banksterusa.org/ | Apr 20 23:41 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: BanksterUSA .::. Size~: 33.47 KB | Apr 20 23:41 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: there's the ~2000 Beckham ad with is kicking the rubbish into the bin | Apr 20 23:42 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: that vid is hilarious | Apr 20 23:44 |
| _goblin | not seen neg before? | Apr 20 23:45 |
| _goblin | urban rodeo is good....find a member of public jump on their back and see how long you can stay on for before they try to punch you. | Apr 20 23:45 |
| cubezzz | well we have green box and blue box programs | Apr 20 23:47 |
| cubezzz | things have improved | Apr 20 23:47 |
| schestowitz | http://edition.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/14/Obama.socialist/index.html?hpt=C1 | Apr 20 23:47 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Ask the card-carrying socialists: Is Obama one of them? - CNN.com .::. Size~: 48.36 KB | Apr 20 23:47 |
| _goblin | I have to get myself one of these t-shirts......it could be the openbytes official t-shirt | Apr 20 23:49 |
| _goblin | http://images1.cafepress.com/product/87926871v7_480x480_Front_Color-White.jpg | Apr 20 23:49 |
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| _goblin | get myself a hat too | Apr 20 23:49 |
| _goblin | http://rlv.zcache.com/i_love_andre_hat-p148490464209443053qifr_210.jpg | Apr 20 23:49 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Apr 20 23:49 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents | Apr 20 23:49 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: FOSS Patents (FOSSpatents) on Twitter .::. Size~: 17.22 KB | Apr 20 23:49 |
| schestowitz | http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2010/04/fosspatents-twitter-account.html | Apr 20 23:49 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: FOSS Patents: FOSSpatents Twitter account .::. Size~: 59.24 KB | Apr 20 23:49 |
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