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| cubezzz | Eruaran, negative | Apr 26 00:00 |
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| cubezzz | arggh | Apr 26 00:00 |
| cubezzz | sorry :) | Apr 26 00:00 |
| cubezzz | I guess I need ATX 1.3 Power Supply | Apr 26 00:03 |
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| cubezzz | might be a good mod for ebay | Apr 26 00:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] We get signal! Greetz from Cuyamaca peak. Elev 6512' | Apr 26 00:10 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Testing my newly subscribed gprs connection with my #shr enabled #freerunner | Apr 26 00:10 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.techeye.net/software/father-of-java-forced-out-by-oracle "James Gosling, the father of the Java programming language, has left Oracle and leaving suspicions he was not happy with the way he was being treated." So was he pushed out like Phipps maybe? | Apr 26 00:21 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Father of Java forced out by Oracle | TechEye - All the technology news unfit for print .::. Size~: 17.6 KB | Apr 26 00:21 |
| WireWulf | awe poor java | Apr 26 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | Does anyone remember the name of this low budget japanese movie where this alien comes down and traps a couple people in a chunk of the city that he cloned? | Apr 26 00:23 |
| WireWulf | nope | Apr 26 00:25 |
| WireWulf | anyone want to register my dc hub xD | Apr 26 00:25 |
| schestowitz | Another Microsoft product dies. http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/article/15993/cio/forefront-desktop-security-software-axed | Apr 26 00:26 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: SiliconRepublic.com: Microsoft to cease Forefront desktop security software - CIO .::. Size~: 37.3 KB | Apr 26 00:27 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: and up til this month, they were telling people to buy it :P | Apr 26 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | and that it was great :D | Apr 26 00:29 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: they still do | Apr 26 00:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cxotoday.com/Security/Securing_Exchange_mailboxes_with_MS_Forefront/551-110705-23055.html | Apr 26 00:31 |
| schestowitz | puts the kibosh on promotional articles such as this: | Apr 26 00:31 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: CXOtoday.com > Security > Interviews > Securing Exchange mailboxes with MS Forefront .::. Size~: 34.03 KB | Apr 26 00:31 |
| schestowitz | watch the date | Apr 26 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Imagine those who followed the advice | Apr 26 00:31 |
| schestowitz | It's a good thing that next week's Ubuntu release won't use Yahell | Apr 26 00:37 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=33221 | Apr 26 00:37 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Yahoo welcomes former Microsoft exec as new Chief Product Officer | Between the Lines | ZDNet.com .::. Size~: 97.72 KB | Apr 26 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://content.usatoday.com/communities/technologylive/post/2010/04/what-new-facebook-updates-might-mean-for-your-privacy/1 "Good insights are popping up deconstructing Facebook's big moves this week to extend its reach across the Web. Bottom line: You should pay attention, and consider tweaking your privacy settings again to control the experience." | Apr 26 00:39 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: What new Facebook updates might mean for your privacy - USATODAY.com .::. Size~: 25.82 KB | Apr 26 00:39 |
| schestowitz | What a sickening operation | Apr 26 00:39 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Apple needs to sell external drives as a low cost value add for all desktops and laptops, with the necessity of #backup clearly explained. | Apr 26 01:03 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @Tosfm RT @BernieKram Don't let any1 see you walking your Chihuahua in #AZ. #AZMLBB // or your Pekinese. *swallows bloodcurdling rage* | Apr 26 01:06 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@assholefactor @tlw3 #Palin on Environment (Earth Day Sucks!) http://is.gd/bHDNC //low, even for her. #Earth: open up & devour her #kthxbai | Apr 26 01:10 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- Sarah Palin on the Environment (Earth Day Sucks!) .::. Size~: 80.19 KB | Apr 26 01:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Cocoa port of my most popular #Photoshop #CS5 plugin almost tamed. Yes, I am as surprised as you are... #osx #adobe | Apr 26 01:12 | |
| Tallken | oh hell: http://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/12849683084 | Apr 26 01:18 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Twitter / WikiLeaks: There is something strange ... .::. Size~: 10.67 KB | Apr 26 01:18 |
| schestowitz | Mac Asay: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-20003211-16.html | Apr 26 01:20 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Apple channels Google, Microsoft to attract developers | The Open Road - CNET News .::. Size~: 191.8 KB | Apr 26 01:20 |
| schestowitz | Tallken: doesn't say much | Apr 26 01:20 |
| schestowitz | No details on sighting, cource | Apr 26 01:20 |
| Tallken | it updated | Apr 26 01:21 |
| Tallken | «Possibly jets/drones straying over border as part of today's Iran war games.» | Apr 26 01:21 |
| Tallken | nothing on Al-Jazeera nor russian today not google news | Apr 26 01:21 |
| schestowitz | http://247wallst.com/2010/04/21/apple-prepared-to-pass-microsoft-as-second-most-valuable-us-company/ | Apr 26 01:22 |
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| schestowitz | Tallken: Russia Today? | Apr 26 01:22 |
| schestowitz | I have the same typo issue | Apr 26 01:22 |
| schestowitz | I type "russian" instead of russia almost everything (even just now!!) | Apr 26 01:22 |
| Tallken | Russia Today LOL ya | Apr 26 01:23 |
| Tallken | though I don't like it's site, don't visit it regularly, I prefer all the news on the page instead having to click buttons | Apr 26 01:23 |
| schestowitz | Yahoo is dead. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-20002788-92.html | Apr 26 01:24 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Onetime Microsoft exec Blake Irving joins Yahoo | Business Tech - CNET News .::. Size~: 85.19 KB | Apr 26 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft department now | Apr 26 01:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] An apparent local neologism that should gain greater currency http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Pseudolaw | Apr 26 01:25 | |
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| Tallken | schestowitz: do you believe Steam is coming to Linux? | Apr 26 01:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'I have been intending to write this essay for months' http://structuredprocrastination.com/ #procrastination | Apr 26 01:39 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] WTF #Netflix, I was almost going to get an account with you guys, too http://ur1.ca/x0jj | Apr 26 01:53 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Child told to remove MedicAlert bracelet because its "jewelry" http://ur1.ca/x22s #douchebags | Apr 26 01:53 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Nina Paley passes Netflix DRM and thousands of dollars - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 132.65 KB | Apr 26 01:53 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Navy aviator with balls of steel saves the life of his three crewmates at the cost of his own http://ur1.ca/x230 | Apr 26 01:58 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] SQL Server Magazine runs anti-consumer article over Mass.'s encrypt private information or be fined law http://ur1.ca/x23h #microsoft | Apr 26 01:58 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Navy pilot's last act: saving 3 crew mates | The Columbus Dispatch .::. Size~: 57.53 KB | Apr 26 01:58 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @GreeGreece #israel #Knesset Orlev: Arab MKs Who Visited #Libya Can't Serve in Next Term http://tinyurl.com/25uac5x // wow! #crazyshit | Apr 26 02:20 | |
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| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-20002921-16.html | Apr 26 02:43 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: $9,000 is the new 'free' for Oracle | The Open Road - CNET News .::. Size~: 109.93 KB | Apr 26 02:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | OVER NINE THOUSAND? | Apr 26 02:44 |
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| *amarsh04 is playing some MIDI files that were once available online | Apr 26 02:48 | |
| amarsh04 | I'm still looking for a currently manufactured and sold soundcard with on-board wavetable synth | Apr 26 02:49 |
| schestowitz | http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/04/20/leaked.iphone/index.html | Apr 26 02:53 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Tech blog says it paid $5,000 for possible iPhone prototype - CNN.com .::. Size~: 36.78 KB | Apr 26 02:53 |
| schestowitz | CNN only covers apple/msft stuff | Apr 26 02:53 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: not over, just exactly | Apr 26 02:53 |
| schestowitz | [I know the slogan thingie...] | Apr 26 02:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: dude, its always over. | Apr 26 02:53 |
| cubezzz | if anyone comes across a power supply that still outputs -5V let me know | Apr 26 02:53 |
| cubezzz | amigas need that too | Apr 26 02:54 |
| schestowitz | Can you not buy an adjustable one? | Apr 26 02:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | Apr 26 02:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | can't you just wire it yourself? | Apr 26 02:54 |
| schestowitz | For this current you can get the lab ones | Apr 26 02:54 |
| cubezzz | maybe | Apr 26 02:54 |
| schestowitz | With a big yellow dial | Apr 26 02:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: hes talking psu, dude | Apr 26 02:54 |
| schestowitz | try online auction sites | Apr 26 02:55 |
| schestowitz | But I hate ebay now, so.. | Apr 26 02:55 |
| cubezzz | I need like Old ATX or something | Apr 26 02:55 |
| cubezzz | such a bother | Apr 26 02:55 |
| amarsh04 | long after most motherboards stopped having isa slots (e.g. my 1998 era biostar), industrial motherboards were sold with isa slots | Apr 26 02:55 |
| cubezzz | yeah that's what I'm using now :) | Apr 26 02:56 |
| amarsh04 | maybe a place that serves legacy hardware can still source old ATX psu's | Apr 26 02:56 |
| cubezzz | 1998 era | Apr 26 02:56 |
| amarsh04 | I haven't used the isa slots since replacing the sb16 with an sb live!5.1 | Apr 26 02:57 |
| cubezzz | the thing is, when I get the Amiga, I'll still want -5V for that too | Apr 26 02:57 |
| schestowitz | http://servers.cbronline.com/news/ibm_q1_revenue_up_5_to_229bn_200410 | Apr 26 02:57 |
| amarsh04 | only 3 pci, one agp and 2 usb 1.1 interfaces on this board | Apr 26 02:57 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: IBM Q1 revenue up 5% to $22.9bn - Servers : News .::. Size~: 51.78 KB | Apr 26 02:58 |
| schestowitz | [Expenses down with offshoring to India for the mos part] | Apr 26 02:58 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: you can buy it from electronics warehouses manybe | Apr 26 02:59 |
| amarsh04 | pci slots are taken up with sound card, ethernet card and scsi card | Apr 26 02:59 |
| schestowitz | Here in Stockport there's RS Component... they have everything under the sun | Apr 26 02:59 |
| cubezzz | so far no luck | Apr 26 03:00 |
| cubezzz | unless I get NOS | Apr 26 03:00 |
| schestowitz | Some years ago I repaired my own laptop and saved $500 by getting replacement components and doing it all myself | Apr 26 03:00 |
| amarsh04 | all supported under gnu/linux and even the w95osr2 that the machine came with - getting ethernet and video working under w95osr2 was a case of searching for ages trying different drivers | Apr 26 03:00 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: where have you looked? | Apr 26 03:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cbronline.com/news/ibm_unveils_new_storage_products_100421 | Apr 26 03:00 |
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| cubezzz | cooler master, and a few others | Apr 26 03:01 |
| cubezzz | I replaced it the last time with new old stock | Apr 26 03:02 |
| cubezzz | but now I used them all | Apr 26 03:02 |
| cubezzz | I guess I could get one of the dead ones refurbished | Apr 26 03:03 |
| cubezzz | yeah component level repair is easy enough | Apr 26 03:04 |
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| cubezzz | some manufacturers are saying it was phased out in 1993-94, lol | Apr 26 03:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techworld.com.au/article/343756/china_warns_against_ibm_slogan_smarter_planet?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1 | Apr 26 03:11 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: China warns against IBM slogan 'Smarter Planet' - China, IBM, Smarter Planet - Techworld .::. Size~: 46.5 KB | Apr 26 03:11 |
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| cubezzz | there's a really deluxe power supply from tigerdirect | Apr 26 03:15 |
| cubezzz | all the connectors are removable | Apr 26 03:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude | Apr 26 03:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | tigerdirect sucks | Apr 26 03:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | do not do business with them | Apr 26 03:17 |
| cubezzz | why not? | Apr 26 03:17 |
| cubezzz | I've bought from them before, no problems so far | Apr 26 03:18 |
| cubezzz | one thing they don't have is ARM devices, or at least I can't find any | Apr 26 03:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: they keep fucking up orders for everyone I know | Apr 26 03:24 |
| cubezzz | well, I'm dealing with tigerdirect.ca of course | Apr 26 03:25 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0423/sec-staffers-watched-porn-economy-crashed/ | Apr 26 03:26 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: SEC staffers watched porn as economy crashed | Raw Story .::. Size~: 40.99 KB | Apr 26 03:26 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: same company | Apr 26 03:27 |
| cubezzz | the wattage on computer PS's just keeps going up and up | Apr 26 03:28 |
| schestowitz | multinationals like to pretend they are locals to your countries, like separate entities that help your economy | Apr 26 03:28 |
| *cubezzz predicts a retro computer movement will occur soon | Apr 26 03:28 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.gallup.com/poll/127472/bush-gets-more-blame-economy-obama.aspx | Apr 26 03:28 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Bush Still Gets More Blame for Economy Than Obama .::. Size~: 39.11 KB | Apr 26 03:28 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0421/belgium-lawmakers-set-ban-islamic-burqa-thursday/ | Apr 26 03:29 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Belgium lawmakers set to ban Islamic burqa Thursday | Raw Story .::. Size~: 24.34 KB | Apr 26 03:29 |
| schestowitz | Naked =bad | Apr 26 03:29 |
| cubezzz | well let's look at Antec... | Apr 26 03:29 |
| schestowitz | Too much clothes=bad too | Apr 26 03:30 |
| cubezzz | what about too much wattage? :) | Apr 26 03:30 |
| schestowitz | SOmewhere in between (showing some skin)= acceptable | Apr 26 03:30 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: frying an old Amiga? | Apr 26 03:30 |
| cubezzz | certainly not :) | Apr 26 03:31 |
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| cubezzz | I mean some of these new PS's go up to 1250 watts | Apr 26 03:31 |
| cubezzz | that's like microwave oven level | Apr 26 03:32 |
| schestowitz | http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_AP_POLL_LEGALIZING_MARIJUANA?SITE=NEYOR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT | Apr 26 03:32 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: gpus take up a lot | Apr 26 03:32 |
| cubezzz | that's got to cost people on their electricity bill | Apr 26 03:32 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0419/americans-government-threat-poll/ | Apr 26 03:33 |
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| cubezzz | aha, Antec sells what I need | Apr 26 03:34 |
| schestowitz | http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2010/Apr/90 | Apr 26 03:34 |
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| schestowitz | heh | Apr 26 03:35 |
| cubezzz | ah, no that's AT :-/ | Apr 26 03:36 |
| cubezzz | still not right | Apr 26 03:36 |
| schestowitz | http://images.ucomics.com/comics/wpswi/2010/wpswi100414.gif | Apr 26 03:36 |
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| schestowitz | ok, gn | Apr 26 03:41 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @KatrinaNation Assassinations, #Torture network Linked 2 #Kadyrov, Top Chechens http://nyti.ms/dsh2w6 // #Putin (#kgb), Russian allies | Apr 26 04:02 | |
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| cubezzz | ok, my rough calculation is I'm using about 200 watts | Apr 26 04:10 |
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| cubezzz | say 250 watts to be safe | Apr 26 04:12 |
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| Diablo-D3 | for what? | Apr 26 04:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | because my c2d e8500, 4 sticks of ddr2-1066, radeon 48500, and 6 3.5" 7200rpm drives use 350 watts at peak | Apr 26 04:13 |
| cubezzz | well, I don't know how much my dvd drives use | Apr 26 04:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | none while there is no disc in them | Apr 26 04:14 |
| cubezzz | most of the time they are idle, yes | Apr 26 04:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | I have a 650 watt PSU in here | Apr 26 04:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | its hard to buy quality psus much smaller than this | Apr 26 04:14 |
| cubezzz | well it just draws what it needs I think | Apr 26 04:15 |
| cubezzz | a 650 watt shouldn't use any more power than 500 watt PS | Apr 26 04:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | it doesnt | Apr 26 04:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | it uses exactly what you need | Apr 26 04:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im just saying | Apr 26 04:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | you cant buy small quality psus | Apr 26 04:16 |
| cubezzz | down to whatever the computer needs, yeah | Apr 26 04:16 |
| cubezzz | I can't buy what I want period | Apr 26 04:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | why dont you just rig your own -5v? | Apr 26 04:16 |
| cubezzz | I might have to | Apr 26 04:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | ATX doesnt use minus 5 anymore iirc | Apr 26 04:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | so why are you using it? | Apr 26 04:17 |
| cubezzz | OK | Apr 26 04:17 |
| cubezzz | the reason why is the ISA slots need it | Apr 26 04:17 |
| cubezzz | my motherboard has two ISA slots | Apr 26 04:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | do you use the ISA slots? | Apr 26 04:18 |
| cubezzz | not at the moment | Apr 26 04:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | then why care? | Apr 26 04:18 |
| cubezzz | well I can live without it I suppose | Apr 26 04:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im not sure ATX has ever supplied it | Apr 26 04:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | every ATX plug Ive seen has had that wire missing | Apr 26 04:19 |
| cubezzz | yeah it used to :) | Apr 26 04:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | I know its allocated in the spec | Apr 26 04:19 |
| cubezzz | my old power supply and the one before that had it | Apr 26 04:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | but Ive been repairing computers since before ATX even existed | Apr 26 04:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont remember it being connected | Apr 26 04:19 |
| cubezzz | let me grab the old one, I think it was a blue wire | Apr 26 04:20 |
| *Diablo-D3 only remembers what yellow and black are | Apr 26 04:21 | |
| Diablo-D3 | and orange | Apr 26 04:21 |
| cubezzz | ok, both older ATX PS's had a blue wire for -5V | Apr 26 04:21 |
| cubezzz | Max 0.3 A | Apr 26 04:21 |
| cubezzz | huh there's a purple wire too | Apr 26 04:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | I think purple is standby | Apr 26 04:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | not sure | Apr 26 04:22 |
| cubezzz | could be, checking | Apr 26 04:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATX#Power_supply | Apr 26 04:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | weee | Apr 26 04:23 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: ATX - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 78.17 KB | Apr 26 04:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah purple is standby | Apr 26 04:23 |
| cubezzz | http://pinouts.ru/Power/atxpower_pinout.shtml | Apr 26 04:23 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: ATX power supply connector pinout and wiring @ pinouts.ru .::. Size~: 13.39 KB | Apr 26 04:23 |
| cubezzz | I'm wrong, white is -5V | Apr 26 04:23 |
| cubezzz | blue is -12V | Apr 26 04:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah | Apr 26 04:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | see wikipedia | Apr 26 04:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | Pin 20 used to provide −5VDC (white wire) in ATX and ATX12V | Apr 26 04:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | versions 1.2 and earlier. Version 1.2 allowed the omission of | Apr 26 04:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | this pin,and versions 1.3 and beyond prohibited this pin. | Apr 26 04:24 |
| cubezzz | great | Apr 26 04:24 |
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| cubezzz | well that explains why I can't find one | Apr 26 04:24 |
| cubezzz | well my modem was ISA, but I never use it | Apr 26 04:30 |
| cubezzz | I actually ran the computer on a 200 watt supply for a while | Apr 26 04:31 |
| cubezzz | just a used one I had, until I got a new replacement | Apr 26 04:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | I have a single ISA board in the house | Apr 26 04:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | guess what it is | Apr 26 04:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | a modem. | Apr 26 04:33 |
| cubezzz | I'm sure I have tons of ISA cards | Apr 26 04:34 |
| cubezzz | I was even going to put DSL on a 486 | Apr 26 04:35 |
| cubezzz | but I couldn't find a working CDROM ISA controller | Apr 26 04:36 |
| cubezzz | ATX GES has -5V btw | Apr 26 04:36 |
| cubezzz | I bet that would do the trick | Apr 26 04:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude | Apr 26 04:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | cdroms use ide | Apr 26 04:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | just plug it into any standard ide controller | Apr 26 04:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | you shouldnt even use a fucking 486 | Apr 26 04:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | I can buy a fucking ARM that uses like 1/25th of the power | Apr 26 04:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | and has more computational power | Apr 26 04:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, you know the single core 1ghz cortex A8s? | Apr 26 04:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're as powerful as a P3 750mhz | Apr 26 04:39 |
| cubezzz | I don't know of anything that has that though | Apr 26 04:39 |
| cubezzz | there's netwalker | Apr 26 04:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | yet, the whole arm soc + ram uses 1/25th the watts of the p3 + mobo + ram | Apr 26 04:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | and the arm has real 3D acceleration | Apr 26 04:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | the p3 doesnt | Apr 26 04:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | throw in more watts if you want that | Apr 26 04:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | the mips in my wrt54g is like | Apr 26 04:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | slow 486 speed | Apr 26 04:41 |
| cubezzz | so what voltage does that cpu use? | Apr 26 04:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | modern? 12 | Apr 26 04:42 |
| cubezzz | the ARM 1ghz cortex A8 | Apr 26 04:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh | Apr 26 04:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | 3.3 or 1.8 | Apr 26 04:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | not sure | Apr 26 04:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it probably has multiple voltage lines into the soc anyhow | Apr 26 04:42 |
| cubezzz | I can power the zaurus off the USB cord | Apr 26 04:42 |
| cubezzz | I think that's 5V | Apr 26 04:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | it is | Apr 26 04:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | but they step it down further | Apr 26 04:42 |
| cubezzz | well, if I could find a nice computer that has it, I'll probably buy it | Apr 26 04:43 |
| cubezzz | some netbook probably has it | Apr 26 04:44 |
| cubezzz | there was that ASUS snapdragon or something | Apr 26 04:45 |
| cubezzz | coming out in 2010 sometime | Apr 26 04:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | Apr 26 04:45 |
| *Diablo-D3 gave up caring at one point | Apr 26 04:45 | |
| Diablo-D3 | its just not worth chasing the industry | Apr 26 04:45 |
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| cubezzz | you know I don't :) | Apr 26 04:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | well | Apr 26 04:46 |
| cubezzz | I got old everything | Apr 26 04:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | I want a router that is ARM, final N spec with two radios for 2.4 and 5 at the same time, gigabit switch | Apr 26 04:46 |
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| cubezzz | lots of ASUS netbook refurbs on ebay | Apr 26 04:55 |
| cubezzz | Linux based too | Apr 26 04:56 |
| cubezzz | lol | Apr 26 04:57 |
| cubezzz | what the heck | Apr 26 04:57 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Foreign Submissions To The Canadian Copyright Consultation - Richard Owens Is Right, We Should Weed Them Out http://bit.ly/9SjNvw | Apr 26 05:52 | |
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| TheMadHatter | Roy, you around? | Apr 26 06:05 |
| TheMadHatter | K, guess not. FYI, the Canadian Copyright Experts have screwed up big time, one of them came out with the idea that foreign submissions to the copyright consultation should be blocked. | Apr 26 06:06 |
| TheMadHatter | I decided to agree with him. | Apr 26 06:06 |
| TheMadHatter | http://madhatter.ca/2010/04/26/foreign-submissions-to-the-canadian-copyright-consultation-richard-owens-is-right-we-should-weed-them-out/ | Apr 26 06:07 |
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| TheMadHatter | I don't think that this is what he had in mind... | Apr 26 06:07 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@michaeljordan Coen Brothers made best movie of yr.."A Serious Man." Its message matches my worldview. //can you explain its message to me? | Apr 26 06:10 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@michaeljordan I got a computer virus! I wish I understood today's #technology better //read Puzo or Pileggi if you want to grok #microsoft | Apr 26 06:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Busy day today, but fun. Back home now checking in with a few work things. | Apr 26 06:52 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] First of all, allow me to say that your question isn't quite relevant. Because when I talk about the laws of (cont) http://tl.gd/11blpe | Apr 26 06:57 | |
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| Omar87 | Hi all. | Apr 26 07:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] RT: @bryanwb: wow, 1 in 5 Nepalis has access to a cell phone, but on average 15 Nepalis share each toilet (fr. Himalayan Times) @osamamanzar | Apr 26 07:10 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Fwd: ♺ @lutzgh "No software will run on Mac #OSX 10.7 without being approved & signed by #Apple" http://ur1.ca/wyth... http://ff.im/jog38 | Apr 26 08:00 | |
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| MinceR | wow, crApple has decided to kill macos for us | Apr 26 08:01 |
| MinceR | that's nice of them | Apr 26 08:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] I have made two email account 1) personal 2) mailinglists, It is booting my productivity. #email #mailinglist | Apr 26 08:04 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@ JanMiddendorp Maxine (3) would prefer iMac to have same touch interface as iPad // seeing #Newton 19yrs ago I assumed desktops wd follow | Apr 26 08:25 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Is there really anything funny about #Bush's tenure? #BushBookTitles // oh, you mean FICTION titles | Apr 26 08:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@JanMiddendorp Maxine (3) would prefer iMac to have same touch interface as iPad //seeing #Newton 19yrs ago I assumed desktops would follow | Apr 26 08:27 | |
| satipera | Good morning all. schestowitz, wordpress comments are appearing in the wrong time stamp order. | Apr 26 08:30 |
| satipera | For what should be on the front page at least | Apr 26 08:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @dholbach: !ubuntu patch day lite is today: http://is.gd/bI2UG | Apr 26 08:37 | |
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| schestowitz | satipera: I can't replicate this bug | Apr 26 08:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] now Dental Records too. http://bit.ly/d5RGpNHope nandan will spell out this in next press appearance. #UID #magicalsolution #fail | Apr 26 08:42 | |
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| satipera | hmm, odd. I have 9 posts, the first from yesterday is missing and your reply to me is last, I will restart browser | Apr 26 08:45 |
| schestowitz | 9 comments? | Apr 26 08:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@glynmoody http://bit.ly/bjJvBz remember Pointcast? Push=TV, Pull=Internet #passivity // I see #tv as passive, 'net as active (intentional) | Apr 26 08:47 | |
| schestowitz | satipera: the thing is this: | Apr 26 08:47 |
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| schestowitz | When the comments go through the queue, then when anyone replied to them, then its orphaned (not threaded) | Apr 26 08:48 |
| schestowitz | WordPress bug | Apr 26 08:48 |
| schestowitz | But AFAIK, there's no missing comment | Apr 26 08:48 |
| schestowitz | The comments you left are in two threads, one in Daily Links | Apr 26 08:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] IBM has initiated a couple of law suits in federal district courts in Texas against Amazon.com for patent infringement: http://ur1.ca/x48s | Apr 26 08:48 | |
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| satipera | On restarting browser first post is back, it must be partly a problem at my end | Apr 26 08:49 |
| schestowitz | wow, this is odd | Apr 26 08:54 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: IBM has a long history as a patent bully | Apr 26 08:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] India plans 2 set up a centralized system 2 monitor communications on mobiles, landlines & Internet http://bit.ly/cVOVIN #phonetapping | Apr 26 08:58 | |
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| schestowitz | http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4014 | Apr 26 09:01 |
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| schestowitz | He misses the point about cellphones causing noise | Apr 26 09:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] MCAM released its Patently Obvious report on the patent portfolio of Bellow Bellows, LLC a patent troll: http://ur1.ca/x4bq | Apr 26 09:05 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] MPEG-LA's CEO Larry Horn also heads MobileMedia, a patent troll holding no less then 122 patents bought to Nokia and Sony http://ur1.ca/x4c7 | Apr 26 09:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @indradg: @anivar i saw a PoC demo setup hre in CCU. a SIM server that cn clone 13x64 sims & patch them thru voiceprint & keywrd matches | Apr 26 09:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'Goldman Sachs has got off lightly for helping #Greece disguise true level of debt,describing loans as currency trades' http://bit.ly/bggjVo | Apr 26 09:14 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Hm, anyone would think Goldman Sachs was in the 'disguising truth' business. #YesIwasBornYesterday | Apr 26 09:15 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@woodsy_bristol same here; #tv-free for decades | Apr 26 09:16 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Kind of macabre to see article on #Greece's unfortunate debt crisis next to sidebar article link, 'world's 10 most affordable islands' | Apr 26 09:18 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] When India will move to Linux? Chinese has all secret Indian document http://post.ly/dEdk | Apr 26 09:20 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "didn't dodge mortgage mess, we lost $, then made more than we lost b/c of shorts" Goldman's Blankfein http://bit.ly/bvKxKf via @chicalolita | Apr 26 09:24 | |
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| schestowitz | Heh. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhmsDGanyes | Apr 26 09:43 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Picked up "The google story" from a shop in #office for 250 office #ftw http://ping.fm/w0qpp | Apr 26 09:58 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] BBC criticise Cuban treatment of protesters moved of street into park. If that was London they would have been kettled for hours on end. | Apr 26 10:16 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Sir, your argument about the harm done by 2 gay women is completely irrational. Because actually, if we leave (cont) http://tl.gd/11d7bj | Apr 26 10:17 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Into the bargain they may well have been beaten up or even killed by the police as has happened in London recently. | Apr 26 10:19 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Gah, listened to MintCast on way to work. more than 15 mins 'chat' about ipad, iphone, verizon, sprint etc before any actual content :( | Apr 26 10:25 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft #Forefront is Dead http://techrights.org/2010/04/26/forefront-stirling-is-axed/ | Apr 26 10:26 | |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: homosexuality is not a "disease" | Apr 26 10:29 |
| schestowitz | Disease usually means soemthing to do with bacterial intrusion of physical abnormality (amorphous organs) | Apr 26 10:30 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, it is. | Apr 26 10:30 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, It's a mental illness. | Apr 26 10:30 |
| MinceR | what are conditions caused by viruses and prions then? :> | Apr 26 10:30 |
| schestowitz | No. | Apr 26 10:30 |
| schestowitz | Dogma is | Apr 26 10:30 |
| satipera | Omar that is outrageous | Apr 26 10:30 |
| MinceR | or by parasites | Apr 26 10:30 |
| Omar87 | satipera, hmm? | Apr 26 10:30 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, it's a disease that is completely treatable. I've studied this in my psychology course. | Apr 26 10:31 |
| MinceR | "completely treatable"? that's new | Apr 26 10:31 |
| schestowitz | let me look up "disease " | Apr 26 10:31 |
| satipera | so are incidents of homosexuality in other species the result of mental illness | Apr 26 10:31 |
| schestowitz | Unless you meant that metaphorically | Apr 26 10:32 |
| Omar87 | satipera, I don't really care much about other species. | Apr 26 10:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/disease | Apr 26 10:32 |
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| schestowitz | " | Apr 26 10:32 |
| schestowitz | 2 : a condition of the living animal or plant body or of one of its parts that impairs normal functioning and is typically manifested by distinguishing signs and symptoms : sickness, malady | Apr 26 10:32 |
| schestowitz | 3 : a harmful development (as in a social institution) | Apr 26 10:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Apr 26 10:32 |
| Omar87 | satipera, other species have their own field of study. I'm talking about humans, because I'm one of them. | Apr 26 10:32 |
| schestowitz | Humans are animals | Apr 26 10:33 |
| satipera | omar you are being inconsistent | Apr 26 10:33 |
| schestowitz | We sleep like animals, we get angry like animals, are DNA is ~99% the same, etc | Apr 26 10:33 |
| schestowitz | /are/our/ | Apr 26 10:33 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Yes. Not being able to conduct your sexual needs in the wrong way is a mental/biological disease. | Apr 26 10:34 |
| MinceR | Omar87: i don't think you said what you wanted to say. :> | Apr 26 10:34 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: accepting gays won't make you gay or anything | Apr 26 10:34 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, what do you say about the male kid who are born with vaginas? | Apr 26 10:34 |
| schestowitz | Unless they harmed you in some direct way, I think it's safe to let it be | Apr 26 10:34 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I won't accept gay, because it's not a form of abnormal behavior. | Apr 26 10:35 |
| schestowitz | What is normal? | Apr 26 10:35 |
| schestowitz | What is "natural" | Apr 26 10:35 |
| schestowitz | It's what's in nature | Apr 26 10:35 |
| schestowitz | It's what consists the norm | Apr 26 10:35 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, That's untrue. | Apr 26 10:35 |
| schestowitz | If gay people exist in some statistical proportions (whether by birth or influence of environment), then it's natural | Apr 26 10:36 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Schizophrenia is in human nature. But is it normal? | Apr 26 10:36 |
| schestowitz | Norm=average | Apr 26 10:36 |
| schestowitz | Should we stone everything too far away from the average | Apr 26 10:36 |
| schestowitz | And average of what? | Apr 26 10:36 |
| schestowitz | Ear size? | Apr 26 10:36 |
| schestowitz | Hormones? | Apr 26 10:36 |
| schestowitz | Height? | Apr 26 10:36 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, height, weight, eye-color.. etc. are not abnormal. | Apr 26 10:37 |
| schestowitz | We're all abnormal in a million ways | Apr 26 10:37 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: why not? | Apr 26 10:37 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Of course not. | Apr 26 10:37 |
| schestowitz | These traits are more visible than others | Apr 26 10:37 |
| Omar87 | These are natural traits. | Apr 26 10:38 |
| satipera | Omar you will realise when you are older people are far more complicated than you realise at age 22, and you will accept them more | Apr 26 10:38 |
| schestowitz | Our abnormalities are a good thing | Apr 26 10:38 |
| schestowitz | it's what enables us to improve over time, through evolution | Apr 26 10:38 |
| Omar87 | satipera, I already know that. | Apr 26 10:38 |
| MinceR | not all abnormalities are good, though | Apr 26 10:38 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: these ones fail | Apr 26 10:39 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, evolution is the biggest lie of the era. | Apr 26 10:39 |
| MinceR | well, this particular abnormality is recurring though | Apr 26 10:39 |
| schestowitz | It's like an optimiser looking for global minima | Apr 26 10:39 |
| MinceR | Omar87: that's rich. care to teach us about creationism? | Apr 26 10:39 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: diversity of species is a fact | Apr 26 10:39 |
| schestowitz | it's shown in DNA now | Apr 26 10:39 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, can you prove that no fossils have been faked to prove that lie? | Apr 26 10:39 |
| schestowitz | Not just observations | Apr 26 10:39 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, can you prove that? | Apr 26 10:39 |
| satipera | omar87 are your objections based on religion | Apr 26 10:39 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: who by? | Apr 26 10:40 |
| Omar87 | satipera, regardless of religion. | Apr 26 10:40 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I don't by whom. | Apr 26 10:40 |
| schestowitz | Why would people plant protons in fossils and then plant them a kilometer in the ground using sticks and stones? | Apr 26 10:40 |
| Omar87 | don't know* | Apr 26 10:40 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I don't know. You tell me. | Apr 26 10:41 |
| schestowitz | Unlikely. | Apr 26 10:41 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Can you prove it? Yes or No. | Apr 26 10:41 |
| schestowitz | Here's a scenario | Apr 26 10:41 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Yes, or No. | Apr 26 10:41 |
| MinceR | apparently Omar87's method of "proving" something is insisting on that his opponent prove its opposite | Apr 26 10:41 |
| schestowitz | Mr. caveman carves a nice biological form with cells and everything or a transitional form | Apr 26 10:42 |
| schestowitz | Then makes thousands of them | Apr 26 10:42 |
| schestowitz | Travels to Africa | Apr 26 10:42 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Okay then. I'll take that as a No. | Apr 26 10:42 |
| MinceR | you could use his method against him | Apr 26 10:42 |
| schestowitz | Digs up a hole in the ground ... big hold | Apr 26 10:42 |
| Omar87 | Thanks a lot. | Apr 26 10:42 |
| satipera | Omar you are being irrational and selective as well as inconsistent | Apr 26 10:42 |
| schestowitz | Then plants them there, after depleting some nuclear compositions to fake the ages of it | Apr 26 10:42 |
| schestowitz | Then layer by layer covering the hole putting advanced transitional form at each layer | Apr 26 10:43 |
| schestowitz | And using his caveman Proton Investor 5000{TM} | Apr 26 10:43 |
| schestowitz | *Injector | Apr 26 10:43 |
| MinceR | maybe his invisible friend in the sky did it to test his faith | Apr 26 10:43 |
| schestowitz | [10:41] <Omar87> schestowitz, Can you prove it? Yes or No. | Apr 26 10:43 |
| schestowitz | I do try to explain | Apr 26 10:43 |
| schestowitz | It's not a "yes" or "no" question if you refuse to take "yes" for an answer | Apr 26 10:44 |
| schestowitz | My answer is not intended to be insulting, just an explanation of what you would find in a scene of evidence | Apr 26 10:44 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Life is full of scenarios. You're free to take whatever you want and deny whatever you want. | Apr 26 10:47 |
| satipera | freedom is an illusion | Apr 26 10:47 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I can't think of a specific scenario, though. But regardless. I think there are just enough reasons for some scientists to make people believe in the lie of evolution. | Apr 26 10:48 |
| Omar87 | satipera, It's not supposed to be. | Apr 26 10:49 |
| satipera | even for ideas free thinkers are very much ostracised | Apr 26 10:49 |
| satipera | never underestimate the power of cultural and peer pressure | Apr 26 10:50 |
| Omar87 | satipera, Your freedom is within you. That's what I believe. | Apr 26 10:51 |
| Omar87 | satipera, nobody can force you to believe anything you don't want to believe. | Apr 26 10:51 |
| Omar87 | They can control what you do. But can never control what you think. | Apr 26 10:51 |
| cubezzz | that's true :) | Apr 26 10:52 |
| satipera | That is right, but our thoughts and even the way we think are heavily influenced | Apr 26 10:52 |
| satipera | I have some opinions I keep to myself even in England, for good reasons. | Apr 26 10:53 |
| satipera | Even in academia there is not absolutely free speech for instance. | Apr 26 10:54 |
| cubezzz | well you don't have total freedom | Apr 26 10:54 |
| cubezzz | you have constraints like time and money | Apr 26 10:55 |
| Omar87 | cubezzz, Maybe you can. To a certain level. | Apr 26 10:55 |
| cubezzz | so you have _some_ freedom | Apr 26 10:55 |
| Omar87 | cubezzz, I believe I can. | Apr 26 10:55 |
| Omar87 | bbl | Apr 26 10:55 |
| *Omar87 is now known as Omar87-away | Apr 26 10:55 | |
| cubezzz | I'm free to use the computer I want, and the OS I want | Apr 26 10:55 |
| cubezzz | I could even try to write my own OS | Apr 26 10:55 |
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| satipera | cubezzz, yes we have some freedom within boundaries | Apr 26 10:56 |
| cubezzz | could I make my own CPU? Probably not :) | Apr 26 10:56 |
| satipera | Total freedom could only come at the expense of damage to others | Apr 26 10:57 |
| cubezzz | if we all went with the flow, there would be a boycottnovell channel | Apr 26 10:57 |
| cubezzz | wouldn't be :) | Apr 26 10:58 |
| satipera | yes | Apr 26 10:58 |
| cubezzz | it's good to question things | Apr 26 11:00 |
| satipera | What concerns me is the well known phenomenon of people investing so much of themselves in an argument that they will not give it up for anything | Apr 26 11:00 |
| cubezzz | we aren't robots :) | Apr 26 11:00 |
| satipera | you see it all the time# | Apr 26 11:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] You aren't happy when complicated political or financial force... More for Aquarius http://twittascope.com/?sign=11 | Apr 26 11:00 | |
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| satipera | they will deceive others and themselves first | Apr 26 11:01 |
| cubezzz | I'm not an absolutist | Apr 26 11:02 |
| cubezzz | if someone comes up with a better idea I would consider it | Apr 26 11:02 |
| satipera | it does not pay to invest so much of yourself in some points of view so that you have painted yourself into a corner, there must always be room to change or modify it | Apr 26 11:02 |
| cubezzz | some people think it's crazy to buy an Amiga | Apr 26 11:03 |
| satipera | :) | Apr 26 11:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post | How The Media Can Stun The Elected Criminals | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/2frvzu5 | Apr 26 11:03 | |
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| cubezzz | some people think it's crazy to use any OS other than Windows | Apr 26 11:03 |
| cubezzz | but that's silly | Apr 26 11:04 |
| cubezzz | and it's silly not to try new things | Apr 26 11:04 |
| satipera | There are some things that I can understand as do not move issues, but homosexuality and evolution are not them | Apr 26 11:04 |
| cubezzz | operating systems evolve, and viruses evolve | Apr 26 11:05 |
| cubezzz | what is the big problem? :) | Apr 26 11:05 |
| cubezzz | trilobite evolution is well documented | Apr 26 11:05 |
| satipera | well omar is manning the barricades for being gay as a disease and evolution is wrong | Apr 26 11:06 |
| cubezzz | there's more triobite fossils than any other kind | Apr 26 11:06 |
| cubezzz | er, trilobite | Apr 26 11:06 |
| MinceR | satipera: he's a fundamentalist. | Apr 26 11:06 |
| satipera | well what is a fundementalist exactly | Apr 26 11:07 |
| MinceR | total religious zealot :> | Apr 26 11:07 |
| MinceR | they usually want to merge the state with the church | Apr 26 11:07 |
| cubezzz | they used to burn witches | Apr 26 11:07 |
| cubezzz | now, most people don't believe witches even exist | Apr 26 11:08 |
| satipera | if religion was so black and white there would not be so many of them | Apr 26 11:08 |
| cubezzz | Do witches exist? | Apr 26 11:08 |
| satipera | yes i married one :) | Apr 26 11:08 |
| cubezzz | OK :) | Apr 26 11:09 |
| cubezzz | some people believe ghosts exist | Apr 26 11:09 |
| cubezzz | but I'm not going to argue about it all day :) | Apr 26 11:09 |
| satipera | we were talking about this the other day | Apr 26 11:09 |
| MinceR | some people believe some of them are holy | Apr 26 11:09 |
| cubezzz | I see a UFO, of course no one believes me | Apr 26 11:10 |
| satipera | pointed remark from mincer | Apr 26 11:10 |
| cubezzz | can I explain everything? Of course not | Apr 26 11:10 |
| schestowitz | [10:48] <Omar87> schestowitz, I can't think of a specific scenario, though. But regardless. I think there are just enough reasons for some scientists to make people believe in the lie of evolution. | Apr 26 11:10 |
| schestowitz | it's not about belief | Apr 26 11:10 |
| MinceR | cubezzz: cultists can explain everything, though | Apr 26 11:11 |
| MinceR | cubezzz: it's a useless and obviously wrong explanation, but it's an explanation nevertheless | Apr 26 11:11 |
| MinceR | and they believe it | Apr 26 11:11 |
| schestowitz | [10:51] <Omar87> They can control what you do. But can never control what you think. | Apr 26 11:11 |
| schestowitz | Yes, you are free to adopt your own opinion | Apr 26 11:11 |
| cubezzz | people are kind of conformist though | Apr 26 11:11 |
| schestowitz | Some opinion advance knowledge, some impede it | Apr 26 11:11 |
| satipera | I wonder what a brain looks like in a scanner when a person is lying to themselves? | Apr 26 11:12 |
| cubezzz | "I can't use Linux, it's too different" | Apr 26 11:12 |
| cubezzz | should the rules _always_ be followed? | Apr 26 11:12 |
| cubezzz | no, there's always exceptions | Apr 26 11:12 |
| schestowitz | +1 | Apr 26 11:13 |
| cubezzz | I know some people _hate_ linux | Apr 26 11:13 |
| cubezzz | but they never even tried it :) | Apr 26 11:13 |
| schestowitz | I could probably do 20 posts today, but I'll pace them down over the week... | Apr 26 11:13 |
| cubezzz | but they hate it | Apr 26 11:13 |
| cubezzz | it's irrational | Apr 26 11:13 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: yes, lawyers do | Apr 26 11:13 |
| schestowitz | The "IP" crowd | Apr 26 11:13 |
| schestowitz | I'm lucky to be in an environment where Linux is appreciated | Apr 26 11:14 |
| schestowitz | And OpenOffice.org etc. | Apr 26 11:14 |
| cubezzz | even Omar likes Linux | Apr 26 11:14 |
| schestowitz | Some colleagues of mine had bosses who insisted on Office, which in turn meant they needed to dual boot | Apr 26 11:14 |
| schestowitz | yes, Omar is enlightened | Apr 26 11:14 |
| MinceR | not enlightened | Apr 26 11:15 |
| schestowitz | But the environment he lives in reinforces a religious dogma | Apr 26 11:15 |
| MinceR | but there is a muslim version of ubuntu :> | Apr 26 11:15 |
| schestowitz | It's hard to escape that, if not dangerous | Apr 26 11:15 |
| cubezzz | I will escape x86 at least | Apr 26 11:24 |
| cubezzz | excellent example of people following the crowd: | Apr 26 11:26 |
| cubezzz | chocolate bunnys at Easter :) | Apr 26 11:26 |
| cubezzz | chocolate bunnys have _nothing_ to do with it, everyone buys them anyways | Apr 26 11:27 |
| satipera | cubezzz don't you think there is room for another branded money making opportunity between easter and christmas? | Apr 26 11:28 |
| satipera | what could we call it | Apr 26 11:28 |
| cubezzz | yes, Halloween :) | Apr 26 11:28 |
| cubezzz | and we could sell lots of candy too | Apr 26 11:29 |
| satipera | forgot about that one :) | Apr 26 11:29 |
| satipera | I started seeing st patricks day cards in the shops about 10 years ago | Apr 26 11:30 |
| cubezzz | Shamrock Shakes from McDonalds :) | Apr 26 11:30 |
| satipera | ha ha | Apr 26 11:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows is No Longer Free (Gratis) in China, #Microsoft is Suing http://techrights.org/2010/04/26/microsoft-is-squeezing-china/ | Apr 26 11:30 | |
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| cubezzz | vanilla shake with green dye in it :) | Apr 26 11:30 |
| satipera | they do a spring ale that is green but i can't remember the brewery | Apr 26 11:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Gah! Impossible to eat my 10G/month allowance on Orange when I am getting ~11Kb/s download speed here! | Apr 26 11:31 | |
| MinceR | is it brewed from genuine springs? | Apr 26 11:31 |
| satipera | yes recycled though | Apr 26 11:32 |
| MinceR | judging by the color it would probably be made of copper springs | Apr 26 11:32 |
| cubezzz | I want to build a new modern non-x86 computer | Apr 26 11:33 |
| satipera | here it is, green beer. http://www.stonehengeales.co.uk/sign_of_spring.html | Apr 26 11:33 |
| cubezzz | it's that, or go retro | Apr 26 11:33 |
| cubezzz | Stone Henge Ale, heh | Apr 26 11:33 |
| cubezzz | thumbs up for green beer :) | Apr 26 11:34 |
| satipera | yes apparently stonehenge originally used to be a pub :) | Apr 26 11:34 |
| cubezzz | well, where are the non x86 motherboards eh? | Apr 26 11:35 |
| *cubezzz keeps looking | Apr 26 11:35 | |
| cubezzz | I think there is arm based nettop | Apr 26 11:36 |
| schestowitz | Hm.. we have some server issues atm | Apr 26 11:36 |
| schestowitz | tessier_: ping | Apr 26 11:38 |
| cubezzz | "Destination Port Unreachable" | Apr 26 11:39 |
| cubezzz | actually there's PPC nettops | Apr 26 11:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Scandal hits Indian cricket league http://is.gd/bIfyX | Apr 26 11:44 | |
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| schestowitz | Ok, service is back | Apr 26 11:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] اللهم لك الحمد حتى ترضى و لك الحمد إذا رضيت و لك الحمد بعد الرضى | Apr 26 12:02 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @guardianeco Robots deployed to stop Deepwater Horizon oil well leak http://bit.ly/baStGC // send cleanup bill direct to #Palin. #energy | Apr 26 12:16 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @mrchrisaddison Funny man. You should follow him. RT @DanRebellato: At last, a #wine targetted at non-Muslims. http://yfrog.com/5ncr7uj | Apr 26 12:17 | |
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| Omar87-away | schestowitz, could MS's new anti-piracy war in China have come as a result of the ACTA? | Apr 26 13:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Latest #Microsoft Hardware Failures: #Kin #Xbox and #Zune http://techrights.org/2010/04/26/microsoft-is-not-for-hardware/ | Apr 26 13:01 | |
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| schestowitz | Omar87-away: no, not related I suppose | Apr 26 13:02 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Not very impressed at #wwe ppv last night, rehashed matches played out like backyard wrestling. Good job it was shown on sky sports 1. | Apr 26 13:04 | |
| oiaohm | I have been think about that name shift thing you got accused of schestowitz. The greatest name shifting to run from trouble I know of is MS search product. | Apr 26 13:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Speaking at Knowrights2010 conference next 5th May on "What is wrong with the UPLS" or software patents via the backdoor: http://ur1.ca/x5nm | Apr 26 13:18 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Proof that @BillGates is a filthy little weasel, a con artist and a second Rockefeller. http://is.gd/bIlAu | Apr 26 13:21 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Malware-hides-from-search-engines-986087.html The war of malware is getting more advanced. schestowitz | Apr 26 13:24 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Hadopi´s Trident Media Guard filed a patent P2P-spamming technology to saturate the Bittorrent trackers: http://ur1.ca/x5tw | Apr 26 13:45 | |
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| cubezzz | people are saying good things about VIA cpu's performance-per-watt | Apr 26 13:51 |
| cubezzz | "The Eden is designed with a thermal envelope of just 7.5 watts — which only Intel's limited edition Ultra Low Voltage processors can match." | Apr 26 13:51 |
| MinceR | one VIA system was enough for me | Apr 26 13:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] MPEG-LA’s CEO Larry Horn and Bellow Bellows Are #Patent Trolls http://ur1.ca/x5vd #swpat #eu #cartel #apple | Apr 26 13:53 | |
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| cubezzz | MinceR, sounds like you didnt like it | Apr 26 13:54 |
| MinceR | indeed i didn't | Apr 26 13:54 |
| MinceR | it's unreliable and has no USB 2.0 high-speed support | Apr 26 13:55 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | Apr 26 13:55 |
| cubezzz | unreliable, so it crashes or overheats or...? | Apr 26 13:56 |
| cubezzz | I assume you ran Linux on it | Apr 26 13:56 |
| cubezzz | I wonder if Tyan made one of those tiny mobo's | Apr 26 14:01 |
| MinceR | it crashes, at least when i dare connect or disconnect a USB device | Apr 26 14:03 |
| oiaohm | I have never seen a really small board from tyan. | Apr 26 14:03 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, I think there is one: TYAN S3115 | Apr 26 14:03 |
| cubezzz | ah, yeah I heard about the USB problems | Apr 26 14:03 |
| oiaohm | It was not all of them either. | Apr 26 14:04 |
| cubezzz | Mini-ITX form factor on the S3115 | Apr 26 14:04 |
| cubezzz | 167 x 170mm | Apr 26 14:05 |
| cubezzz | supports dual core Intel Atom cpu | Apr 26 14:06 |
| cubezzz | Intel is tough to avoid | Apr 26 14:07 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_itx That is still quite a large form factor compared to some Edens | Apr 26 14:07 |
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| cubezzz | low power consumption though | Apr 26 14:08 |
| cubezzz | and i bet the tyan doesn't crash | Apr 26 14:08 |
| oiaohm | I have a few 8 and 10 year old Tyan systems that still work and do there job perfectly. | Apr 26 14:09 |
| cubezzz | mine's 12 years old | Apr 26 14:10 |
| cubezzz | no idea who sells S3115 or even if it's current | Apr 26 14:11 |
| oiaohm | http://www.tyan.com/%28A%28tC--g6Nu436FFWhwYlz-iSc8fvZYhAm2X0wvkZ7isbBo2wRf9GSsaU34LuGXm0dlGLvlzmRhmsP_1iyAni7881ITkMu_Lze_N1TQaNFTmFM1%29%29/product_SKU_spec.aspx?ProductType=MB&pid=653&SKU=600000038 Yep it current | Apr 26 14:13 |
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| cubezzz | $175, not too bad | Apr 26 14:15 |
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| oiaohm | Op temp on that a little to limited for lot my jobs. | Apr 26 14:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@psustentavel Friedman opina sobre as mudanças climáticas //não confio em Friedman! é um homem desonesto que promove industrias militares | Apr 26 14:28 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bill Gates Sr. Lobbies to Keep Tax Agenda Off Gates’ Tax Exemptions and Microsoft’s Tax Evasion http://ur1.ca/x697 | Apr 26 14:34 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@psustentavel ...e tb as forças da #globalização; ele não quer realizar mudanças reais no mundo; quer defender a falsa supremacia dos #EUA | Apr 26 14:35 | |
| schestowitz | zoobab: some people use the swpat tag and other use swpats | Apr 26 15:12 |
| schestowitz | It gets fragmented | Apr 26 15:12 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft's Quarterly Results: A Disappointment in Summary http://ur1.ca/x6pm #spin #pr #bing #debt | Apr 26 15:30 | |
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| schestowitz | Hitchens joins the fight. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7094310.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=2015164 | Apr 26 15:34 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2010/apr/23/iceland-volcano-thousands-passengers-stranded I have a friend in the travel industry and it's a nightmare to them | Apr 26 15:38 |
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| schestowitz | Nice mug: http://www.boingboing.net/2010/04/24/lisa-rein-performing.html | Apr 26 15:42 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Pic of the day: City of Staples http://www.peterroot.com/index.php?/projects/ephemicropolis/ | Apr 26 15:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google 's Insane Number of Servers Visualized http://ur1.ca/wna9 all running #gnu and #linux | Apr 26 15:54 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/science-news/biology/38546-spain-claims-first-complete-face-transplant- | Apr 26 15:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/science-news/space/38564-hawking-thinks-space-aliens-might-be-trouble | Apr 26 16:04 |
| schestowitz | People assume that other planets might have life that's similar to humans, which is extremely unlikely and the same goes for scale | Apr 26 16:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/194653/Teen_Texting.html?tk=rss_news | Apr 26 16:09 |
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| schestowitz | Nice photo........ http://www.pcworld.com/article/194911/hot_pics.html | Apr 26 16:19 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz, I really hate it when people only think of technology from a business perspective. | Apr 26 16:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1602267/bell-boffins-300mbps-copper | Apr 26 16:28 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: RMS says so too | Apr 26 16:28 |
| schestowitz | When asked about software only as a business, but that applies not only to technology; think about water, energy, etc. | Apr 26 16:29 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Agreed. | Apr 26 16:31 |
| schestowitz | We lost sight of the commons. it's like when one women babysits another lady's kids, then the states goes after her demanding revenue tax | Apr 26 16:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] G'morning, folks! :-) How's tricks? | Apr 26 16:33 | |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Excuse me brother, but I'm not playing this sick game called "business". It's what brought the whole planet to this endless pit of grief and tyranny. | Apr 26 16:34 |
| Omar87 | Hundreds of massacres have been committed by those on top, over sick and demented business deals. | Apr 26 16:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/20/verity_stob_sql/ | Apr 26 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | "Legend has it that Edgar 'Ted' Codd got the idea for SQL while attending a 'Sky at Night' spin-off lecture. Patrick Moore, pointing at the blackboard, said: 'Select a star from the table'." | Apr 26 16:37 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: not always | Apr 26 16:37 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I know. There are exceptions. | Apr 26 16:37 |
| schestowitz | It's a natural issue, desire to impose things upon others, subjugation | Apr 26 16:37 |
| schestowitz | Without this animal characteristic we can't survice | Apr 26 16:38 |
| schestowitz | *vive | Apr 26 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Or at least the genes won't pass on | Apr 26 16:38 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, but when business becomes the main and only issue. This only means that the apocalypse is near. | Apr 26 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Genghis Kahn is said to have passed a lot of his genes in old Asia by raping while killing the men | Apr 26 16:39 |
| schestowitz | It's basically why things like rapists are said to exist, pillagers too | Apr 26 16:39 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, business is essential at some level. But if taken beyond that level, it becomes "Hubris". | Apr 26 16:39 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: apocalypse is not near | Apr 26 16:40 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I'm just saying. | Apr 26 16:40 |
| schestowitz | The Sun is only half way before expanding and becoming a dwarf | Apr 26 16:40 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: yes, we need a Nemesis here... for the giants | Apr 26 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Oligarchs | Apr 26 16:41 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8642021.stm | Apr 26 16:41 |
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| schestowitz | "The UK's super-rich have seen a resurgence in their fortunes, the Sunday Times Rich List suggests." | Apr 26 16:41 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/22/eu_booze/ | Apr 26 16:46 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/22/marmite_bnp/ | Apr 26 16:47 |
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| _goblin | hi all....HTC irc is great! a quick little visit when I'm out and about | Apr 26 16:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article7105733.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=797093 | Apr 26 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: on train? | Apr 26 16:50 |
| *schestowitz checks out channel openbytes | Apr 26 16:51 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] What to have for dinner? | Apr 26 16:51 | |
| schestowitz | It's unmanned | Apr 26 16:51 |
| schestowitz | Just sebsebseb | Apr 26 16:51 |
| _goblin | not at moment | Apr 26 16:52 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: what? | Apr 26 16:52 |
| _goblin | at work...... :( | Apr 26 16:52 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh that channel ah yes | Apr 26 16:52 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: might need chanserv in there by the way | Apr 26 16:53 |
| _goblin | going to Petes chicken | Apr 26 16:53 |
| sebsebseb | to keep it properly open | Apr 26 16:53 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/04/23/sky_punts_unlimited_broadband/ | Apr 26 16:53 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin your dinner: http://www.boingboing.net/2010/04/23/competition-design-t.html | Apr 26 16:53 | |
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| _goblin | yeah...I'm going to set it up when I get home | Apr 26 16:54 |
| schestowitz | talktalk is ok | Apr 26 16:54 |
| schestowitz | policy wise | Apr 26 16:54 |
| schestowitz | I've been w/ the same supplier for a decade | Apr 26 16:54 |
| schestowitz | Before that it was modem/ISDN | Apr 26 16:54 |
| _goblin | 2gb cap for downloads ....sky sounds hopeless | Apr 26 16:55 |
| *BNtwitter has quit (*.net *.split) | Apr 26 16:56 | |
| _goblin | what's the point of 20mbits and then a 2gig cap. | Apr 26 16:56 |
| schestowitz | per day? | Apr 26 16:57 |
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| _goblin | you could blow that in around 40mins | Apr 26 16:57 |
| schestowitz | with backups | Apr 26 16:57 |
| schestowitz | I used to do 30 gb per day | Apr 26 16:57 |
| schestowitz | backups | Apr 26 16:57 |
| _goblin | I don't know what I do a day but id rather not have to think about caps. | Apr 26 16:58 |
| _goblin | BTW I think I am getting used to this touch keyboard now. | Apr 26 16:59 |
| satipera | I think the only one that genuinely had no cap was bulldog but they were a nightmare | Apr 26 16:59 |
| satipera | taken over since | Apr 26 16:59 |
| _goblin | o2 don't have a capp | Apr 26 16:59 |
| _goblin | neither does bt | Apr 26 17:00 |
| satipera | fair usage policy? | Apr 26 17:00 |
| _goblin | I suppose they all have that | Apr 26 17:00 |
| satipera | exactly | Apr 26 17:00 |
| satipera | bulldog did not | Apr 26 17:00 |
| _goblin | but have you ever fallen foul of it? I haven't | Apr 26 17:01 |
| satipera | with talktalk i think you can pay an extra 2 pounds and increase your cap | Apr 26 17:01 |
| satipera | yes I have been caught by fair usage policy | Apr 26 17:01 |
| _goblin | how much were you using | Apr 26 17:02 |
| satipera | loads I was p2p 24hours a day | Apr 26 17:02 |
| _goblin | ah.. | Apr 26 17:02 |
| satipera | was.... | Apr 26 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Someone has just mailed me http://www.truthout.org/remembering-fascism-learning-from-past58724 | Apr 26 17:03 |
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| satipera | that is why i stopped with bulldog | Apr 26 17:03 |
| _goblin | right, I'm off to get some dinner | Apr 26 17:03 |
| _goblin | see you al later | Apr 26 17:03 |
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| satipera | but their bills department made inspector clouseau | Apr 26 17:04 |
| satipera | look competent | Apr 26 17:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] It's Petes chicken for me tonight..... | Apr 26 17:05 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] http://twitgoo.com/pr66c | Apr 26 17:07 | |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz, "Oligarchy" == "Making the 99% work for the 1%." | Apr 26 17:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] RT @stillsafe: "The best car safety device is a rear-view mirror with a cop in it." Dudley Moore | Apr 26 17:16 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #PCLinuxOS 2010 Torrent Links posted on #Linux Tracker http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrents&category=262 | Apr 26 17:16 | |
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| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: http://robinzrants.wordpress.com/2010/04/24/the-debian-taliban-responds/ | Apr 26 17:19 |
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| Diablo-D3 | And this is how we deal with this. | Apr 26 17:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | He wants to shill for Microsoft? So be it. | Apr 26 17:26 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Microsoft shill calls the !Debian !Gnu !Linux distro "Taliban" http://ur1.ca/x7fs | Apr 26 17:28 | |
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| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: I warned you about it some days ago. is Robin a girl or a guy? | Apr 26 17:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: I dented the first post | Apr 26 17:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | and I have no clue | Apr 26 17:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | but to the Internet, it will rape you regardless of gender. | Apr 26 17:31 |
| satipera | I looked at that site, there is as much use talking to a wall | Apr 26 17:31 |
| satipera | why would anyone bother? | Apr 26 17:32 |
| MinceR | walls are more polite than most people | Apr 26 17:33 |
| satipera | :) | Apr 26 17:33 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Jesus Christ #Canada, stop trying to make a Canadian DMCA http://ur1.ca/x7h1 | Apr 26 17:33 | |
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| satipera | I read the authors bio then closed the tab | Apr 26 17:34 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 26 17:35 |
| schestowitz | satipera: i see..... | Apr 26 17:47 |
| schestowitz | God bless lunix | Apr 26 17:48 |
| MinceR | Loonix? | Apr 26 17:48 |
| schestowitz | http://wiinterrr.blogspot.com/2010/04/happy-world-penguin-day.html | Apr 26 18:04 |
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| schestowitz | Lunatix? | Apr 26 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Loonix sounds like something you set up to cron flush jobs | Apr 26 18:04 |
| satipera | Schestowitz, I assume you are still talking about the rants and raves site. | Apr 26 18:06 |
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| Eruaran | Just watched the film based on Naomi Wolf's 'The End Of America' | Apr 26 18:07 |
| satipera | when you said "i see...." | Apr 26 18:07 |
| Eruaran | A couple of people posted it in parts on YouTube | Apr 26 18:07 |
| MinceR | Loonix is a guy i know on irc :> | Apr 26 18:07 |
| Eruaran | Its very good | Apr 26 18:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hi all | Apr 26 18:08 |
| Eruaran | hi | Apr 26 18:08 |
| Omar87 | Stupid question: How do I get more people to click on the ads. on my blog? | Apr 26 18:08 |
| Omar87 | Eruaran, Hey! 'sup? | Apr 26 18:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://gizmodo.com/5523673/ | Apr 26 18:08 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | I hate to post this last link, as its from Pradva. But it sort of tries in with the Banks that Roy has been writing about, and all the foreclosures link I posted the other day. While I do not agree with all of it, its still a very interesting link | Apr 26 18:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/13-04-2010/112992-american_recovery-0 | Apr 26 18:11 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The American Recovery, Lots of Puff But No Substance - Pravda.Ru .::. Size~: 33.29 KB | Apr 26 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Apr 26 18:11 |
| *schestowitz scrolls up | Apr 26 18:11 | |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: did you see the comments on the pillar image? | Apr 26 18:11 |
| schestowitz | I think it's fine as it is, just thought I'd ask for the "OK" from you | Apr 26 18:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hi, Roy, the link from Pradva, the former Soviet newspaper, was saying a lot of what I was, about the foreclosues, and that the US will have to bail out the banks here again several more times. Think Goldman Sacks again | Apr 26 18:12 |
| schestowitz | [18:08] <Omar87> Stupid question: How do I get more people to click on the ads. on my blog? | Apr 26 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Write: "for the love of Gawd, DON'T click on this ad" | Apr 26 18:13 |
| Eruaran | schestowitz: yes, some good feedback and suggestions I replied to | Apr 26 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Reverse psychology | Apr 26 18:13 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, lol. | Apr 26 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: in the comments? | Apr 26 18:13 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, nice idea. :P | Apr 26 18:13 |
| Eruaran | schestowitz: yes | Apr 26 18:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Stupid question: How do I get more people to click on the ads. on my blog? | Apr 26 18:13 | |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: but can you trust pravda? | Apr 26 18:14 |
| schestowitz | In Russia they flip it upside down and read it from the bottom of something | Apr 26 18:14 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Lenin_reading_Pravda.gif | Apr 26 18:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Stupid question: How do I get more people to click on the ads. on my blog?" Mostly only people that use IE will not have adblock installed. Which means the wintrolls to a large extent. How about click on this if you like IE? or MS, or rather vote on IE | Apr 26 18:15 |
| Eruaran | "Windows users click here --->" | Apr 26 18:16 |
| Eruaran | they will dutifully obey | Apr 26 18:16 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: what's that video titled? | Apr 26 18:16 |
| schestowitz | I wanna watch this, I watched some of Wolf's videos (maybe 30) | Apr 26 18:16 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: "click here to see kitten explode" | Apr 26 18:16 |
| Eruaran | schestowitz: I watched it starting here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PLsStOJ26o | Apr 26 18:17 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy> no I do not trust Pradva, but the story is mostly backed up with my other links about foreclosures in the US. If the job market does not improve, I think the US is headed for serious crash | Apr 26 18:17 |
| Eruaran | schestowitz: although, others have put it up as well... someone else might have better quality | Apr 26 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: should I upload the image now (as we have it with the pillars)? | Apr 26 18:17 |
| schestowitz | I'm fine with it as it is, it looks great and fits the colour theme | Apr 26 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: the job market improves... just not in he US | Apr 26 18:18 |
| Eruaran | schestowitz: I'll work on it some more first and give you "the full set" | Apr 26 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Good lucrative jobs sent abroad | Apr 26 18:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | at least the first page of the pradva story | Apr 26 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Which makes the debt+interest harder to repay | Apr 26 18:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The job market has not improved here in the USA | Apr 26 18:18 |
| schestowitz | They say the recession is over, but the debt is not being repaid, so.. | Apr 26 18:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Tried Ubuntu (Gnome), Xubuntu (XFCE), Kubuntu (KDE4) on Dell OptiPlex GX240. Kubuntu seems to be the best solution for this old box. | Apr 26 18:18 | |
| schestowitz | And there's China's mercy | Apr 26 18:18 |
| Eruaran | China owns California | Apr 26 18:19 |
| Eruaran | ;) | Apr 26 18:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The foreclosures here are real, so isn't the unemployment and outsourcing | Apr 26 18:19 |
| Eruaran | The Chinese know a good investment | Apr 26 18:19 |
| schestowitz | it's close to China | Apr 26 18:19 |
| schestowitz | $2 TR. in debt | Apr 26 18:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Put the orginial GPU (ATI Rage 128 Pro Ultra) back. No 3D acceleration :-( | Apr 26 18:19 | |
| Eruaran | that too! | Apr 26 18:19 |
| Eruaran | They own Long Island you know | Apr 26 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: but California has the middle-ages Terminator | Apr 26 18:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy> the 2 trillion is nothing. The foreclosues to come are the real debt! | Apr 26 18:20 |
| schestowitz | He'll taser them with his bypass | Apr 26 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: how are they debt? | Apr 26 18:20 |
| schestowitz | The debt is in part the mortgages | Apr 26 18:20 |
| Eruaran | Its the kids | Apr 26 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: Don't be too worried | Apr 26 18:21 |
| schestowitz | or move to Europe, if you can | Apr 26 18:21 |
| schestowitz | I have a friend who left Illinois for Finland | Apr 26 18:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | When the banks take over these mortgages, then they become part of what the gov owes, as the gov will once again have to bail out the banks | Apr 26 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Britain has the Lib Dem growing | Apr 26 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Also some socialist (openly) parties brewing here | Apr 26 18:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they are only personal debt until foreclosed | Apr 26 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Remember the Nazis too were "Socialists" | Apr 26 18:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | National Socialists, yes | Apr 26 18:22 |
| schestowitz | I don't know about the US, but the whole extreme right is way off the pool | Apr 26 18:22 |
| schestowitz | I mean, Beck??? Teabeggers? 9/11 'truthers'? | Apr 26 18:22 |
| schestowitz | I mean, WTH? | Apr 26 18:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | mostly, I would say both sides are off the edge here | Apr 26 18:23 |
| schestowitz | I didn't see that beyond fringe back in the 90s | Apr 26 18:23 |
| Eruaran | The children of the obscenely rich Chinese Business men have bought most of Long Island. They offer ridiculous sums of money so the Americans are happy to sell. | Apr 26 18:23 |
| schestowitz | *baggers | Apr 26 18:23 |
| schestowitz | *beggars :-)D | Apr 26 18:23 |
| Eruaran | They literally come to your front door | Apr 26 18:23 |
| schestowitz | "Please, tea, please!" | Apr 26 18:23 |
| schestowitz | "Let us give rid of "anti-Christ", aka Obama" | Apr 26 18:24 |
| Eruaran | "We like your house very much and want to offer you four times its asessed value" | Apr 26 18:24 |
| ThistleWeb | Aunty Christ? Is that a new leaked email slur about why the Priesthood have a tradition of wearing dresses? | Apr 26 18:24 |
| Eruaran | The Chinese are doing the same thing in Toorak in Melbourne. | Apr 26 18:25 |
| Eruaran | They pay way above market value. | Apr 26 18:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Certainly some idea's of the Teabaggers are sort of appealing on the face of things. Like low taxes. However, if you look deeper into what they want, like a flat tax, that will increase taxes on the middle and lower middle class. | Apr 26 18:25 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auntie_Christ | Apr 26 18:25 |
| schestowitz | :-D | Apr 26 18:26 |
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| Eruaran | So there's no hassle, no hagglling... we buy, you sell and you happy! | Apr 26 18:26 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Apr 26 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: they need land | Apr 26 18:26 |
| schestowitz | about 20% of the world's population | Apr 26 18:26 |
| schestowitz | The US is "underutilise" | Apr 26 18:27 |
| schestowitz | *Sed | Apr 26 18:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | N. Korea is really bad off, 1 million estimated died from starvation http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-03-25/news/18969940_1_north-korea-food-shortages-south-korea | Apr 26 18:27 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Survey shows North Koreans losing trust in Kim - SFGate .::. Size~: 40.08 KB | Apr 26 18:27 |
| schestowitz | "It said bodies of malnourished elderly people were being found in the streets of Pyongyang, the capital, and it quoted unnamed party officials as saying that starvation has risen in some areas this winter to levels unseen since the 1990s, when famine killed as many as 1 million North Koreans." | Apr 26 18:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | That pradva link was really good, though I am not sure you should use it. | Apr 26 18:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | sad, yes | Apr 26 18:29 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=12768 | Apr 26 18:30 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Windows Malware: The final straw that broke the penguin's back | Tech Broiler | ZDNet.com .::. Size~: 161.14 KB | Apr 26 18:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | It can be what happens when gov controls everything | Apr 26 18:30 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: we have many USian readers | Apr 26 18:30 |
| schestowitz | Like 50% of them | Apr 26 18:30 |
| schestowitz | So I don't want to stir up this hornet's nest | Apr 26 18:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | well, if you want them, I still have the foreclosure links | Apr 26 18:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Yeah. And you also take truth very seriously. Truth is to MS is like what Pif Paf is to an insect. @mzayed | Apr 26 18:30 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, pls | Apr 26 18:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | A story similar to the pravda one can be told from those links | Apr 26 18:31 |
| schestowitz | I wondered about tjem | Apr 26 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Like 3 days ago when I realised I had skipped them in vain | Apr 26 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Do you read the "Finance" links? | Apr 26 18:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] That's why @BillGates said "They'll get sort of addicted..". MS preys upon complete ignorance and total addiction. @mzayed | Apr 26 18:31 | |
| schestowitz | I rarely get feedback on links posts, if only because it needs registering an account in order to do | Apr 26 18:32 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | I had my own networks of stuff bookmarked that I read and searched back when I commented on MS Watch, which did censor my last post BTW | Apr 26 18:32 |
| schestowitz | but quick, I'm doing links right now | Apr 26 18:33 |
| schestowitz | It take me an hour to edit | Apr 26 18:33 |
| schestowitz | I watch videos on one screen, edit on another :-) | Apr 26 18:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ok, I am looking now for them | Apr 26 18:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/02/eveningnews/main6167610.shtml http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112660935 http://www.kiplinger.com/tools/foreclosure/map.html http://www.azcentral.com/business/realestate/articles/2009/10/28/20091028biz-foreclosures1028.html http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aovAPlvMndWc&refer=home http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/foreclosures-reach- | Apr 26 18:34 |
| schestowitz | > Am 26.04.2010 09:58, schrieb [...]: | Apr 26 18:34 |
| schestowitz | >> [...] wrote: | Apr 26 18:34 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Housing Crisis Getting Uglier in 2010 - CBS Evening News - CBS News .::. Size~: 79.38 KB | Apr 26 18:34 |
| schestowitz | >>> In reality "Prior art" means "prior patent". | Apr 26 18:34 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Major Banks Still Grappling With Foreclosures : NPR .::. Size~: 61.99 KB | Apr 26 18:34 |
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| schestowitz | >> | Apr 26 18:34 |
| schestowitz | >> This claim is absolute nonsense, there are many cases of | Apr 26 18:34 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Las Vegas has highest foreclosure rate .::. Size~: 77.1 KB | Apr 26 18:34 |
| schestowitz | >> patents (software and other kinds of patents) being | Apr 26 18:34 |
| schestowitz | >> invalidated by reference to prior art in the form | Apr 26 18:34 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Senators Ask Fannie, Freddie to Freeze Foreclosures (Update3) - Bloomberg.com .::. Size~: 38.7 KB | Apr 26 18:34 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Error - DailyFinance .::. Size~: 15.29 KB | Apr 26 18:34 |
| schestowitz | >> of published articles, books, existing published | Apr 26 18:34 |
| schestowitz | >> software, etc where no patents are involved. | Apr 26 18:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Apr 26 18:34 |
| schestowitz | > As I said, that is the "American desease". In the United States it is | Apr 26 18:34 |
| schestowitz | > common to put much popular emphasis on prior art and of course that is | Apr 26 18:34 |
| schestowitz | > also reflected in patent ligitation. In Europe it is also easier to | Apr 26 18:34 |
| schestowitz | > rejct for novelty than for substantive conditions but sustantive | Apr 26 18:34 |
| schestowitz | > conditions is what matters, only, if you want to solve the problem of | Apr 26 18:34 |
| schestowitz | > software patentability on a fundamental level. In the US there are very | Apr 26 18:34 |
| schestowitz | > few means to tune substantive conditions left, so novelty becomes dominant. | Apr 26 18:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Apr 26 18:34 |
| schestowitz | > The main problem with novelty claims is the quality of the defensive | Apr 26 18:34 |
| schestowitz | > publications. What experienced patent litigation lawyers tell me is that | Apr 26 18:34 |
| schestowitz | > judges decide on their feelings and then use an argument. In reality | Apr 26 18:34 |
| schestowitz | > "novelty" is never 1:0 but abritrary decision making. | Apr 26 18:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Apr 26 18:34 |
| schestowitz | > A good document to prove prior art is a prior patent because it is | Apr 26 18:34 |
| schestowitz | > already in the right language. | Apr 26 18:34 |
| schestowitz | ok, got em | Apr 26 18:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_qgVn-Op7Q | Apr 26 18:35 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | We do hope that Obama can put people back to work so they can pay their mortagages, but I do not see that happening here | Apr 26 18:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | there maybe a dead link in there now too | Apr 26 18:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Maybe that's also why your employers in Redmond hire Most Valuable Hypocrites like Preston Gralla, or @megueldeicaza, @mzayed | Apr 26 18:36 | |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: some of these articles from last year | Apr 26 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: the daily finance one is broken | Apr 26 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: is Grrrrrrala an MVP? | Apr 26 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Most valuable *rick? | Apr 26 18:37 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0424/revealed-emails-goldman-chief-made-lost-betting-market/ | Apr 26 18:38 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: In revealed e-mails, Goldman chief says we made more than we lost by betting against market | Raw Story .::. Size~: 70.24 KB | Apr 26 18:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | last year article still shows a trend | Apr 26 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Goldman execs brag about crash | Apr 26 18:39 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Greece is just the tip of the Iceburg, there are more to fail soon | Apr 26 18:39 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | The US gov is trying with the help of the banks to make these foreclosures dribble in, but they will still have to bail out the banks again several times. | Apr 26 18:41 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I enjoy taking on MS employees. :P | Apr 26 18:41 |
| Omar87 | It's full of suspense. More suspense than in an action movie. :P | Apr 26 18:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, MS is not back to the level of profits they enjoyed before the recession. and when they get there, they still not really there by way of sales, as cost cutting measures, (layoffs, closed projects, etc.) may account for up to 20% of those profits. | Apr 26 18:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Not to mention the cost savings MS get from outsourcing job to India and China | Apr 26 18:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *jobs | Apr 26 18:44 |
| Eruaran | Even Gralla says winmo isn't attracting developers like iPhone or Android | Apr 26 18:45 |
| Eruaran | Or maybe his cheque came from Apple this time | Apr 26 18:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Kin (renamed from Project Pink, as all M$ is renamed) is a cheap phone made for MS by Chinese sweat labor? | Apr 26 18:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | like the Xbox360? | Apr 26 18:47 |
| schestowitz |  | Apr 26 18:48 |
| schestowitz | [18:39] <Chips_B_Malroy> Greece is just the tip of the Iceburg, there are more to fail soon | Apr 26 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Iceland? | Apr 26 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Iceberg | Apr 26 18:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But this Kin, is another step of MS into the hardware buz, if this is so, which should help kill their partners from wanting to use WinMo | Apr 26 18:48 |
| schestowitz | BTW, sorry 4 lag... | Apr 26 18:48 |
| Eruaran | You can watch the bergs off the southern tip of New Zealand now | Apr 26 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Was just arranging links re fiannce | Apr 26 18:49 |
| schestowitz | I try to put links in a logical order to makes sense | Apr 26 18:49 |
| schestowitz | [18:44] <Chips_B_Malroy> Not to mention the cost savings MS get from outsourcing job to India and China | Apr 26 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft never talks about that | Apr 26 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Visas too | Apr 26 18:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] On to the last call of the morning. :-) | Apr 26 18:49 | |
| schestowitz | Long hours, low pay grade | Apr 26 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Joe Wilcox posted some words from former Softies who said this | Apr 26 18:50 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Truth to MS is what insect spray is to a cockroach. | Apr 26 18:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | All those lawyers, who lost their jobs to India | Apr 26 18:50 |
| schestowitz | You don't have to work overtime, but you'll be fired if you don't | Apr 26 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Old trick | Apr 26 18:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | lot of companies here do that | Apr 26 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: nice quote | Apr 26 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: legal work is still in the US | Apr 26 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Not paralegal | Apr 26 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Those who do paperwork are in the 'basement' so to speak | Apr 26 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft wants to present a US company | Apr 26 18:52 |
| schestowitz | You know, with the lady, the black guy, the geek and the senior in a suit | Apr 26 18:52 |
| schestowitz | It works well on pamphlets | Apr 26 18:52 |
| schestowitz | And public events | Apr 26 18:52 |
| schestowitz | It hired stuff like.. | Apr 26 18:52 |
| schestowitz | [fetches links] | Apr 26 18:52 |
| schestowitz | *hides | Apr 26 18:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS is all about appearances. PR, proproganda, BS. Every notice many of MS articles and Naming of stuff is exact oposite of what it is? Example, DRM, digital rights management. Yes, but who's right's? | Apr 26 18:55 |
| schestowitz | will post in identica | Apr 26 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: not just Microsoft | Apr 26 18:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | True, but MS is most using this ploy | Apr 26 18:55 |
| schestowitz | http://shanghaiist.com/attachments/shang_dan/billgates-china.jpg | Apr 26 18:56 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | M$ lies about everything, and brags how well they lie | Apr 26 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Omar writes: "Truth to Microsoft is what insect spray is to a cockroach." | Apr 26 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Faux Microsoft: https://careers.microsoft.com/careers/zh-cn/cn/home.aspx | Apr 26 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | Real: http://www.nlcnet.org/reports?id=0034 | Apr 26 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | Come and work for Microsoft | Apr 26 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Just ignore that second picture | Apr 26 18:59 |
| schestowitz | http://it.slashdot.org/story/10/04/26/1527215/Massive-Number-of-Godaddy-Wordpress-Blogs-Hacked | Apr 26 18:59 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @mickmel Massive Number of Godaddy Wordpress Blogs Hacked http://ping.fm/Cbnon | Apr 26 19:00 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, if you do post the pravda link, you might think about a disclaimer with it. | Apr 26 19:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | What I wanted to show, was the big bank bailouts here in the USA, are not done. And that there are most likely another 3 or 4 coming of the same size that we already had. This if the gov does not go busted first. And guess who is going get richer in this, Goldman. | Apr 26 19:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Back During Bush2, the Republicians and Bush, passed new personal bankrupcy laws here. Making it much harder to lose a lot of debt. | Apr 26 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: ah, I see your comments now. Visible... don't know why they were put in a queue | Apr 26 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: PC Linux OS 2010 KDE does seem rather nice, from the review I read, but also my limited trying in Virtualbox from ISO, the Live Session. Limited since slowness | Apr 26 19:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Of course, you cannot collect that debt, if people do not have a job to garnish | Apr 26 19:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Slashdot IT Story | Massive Number of GoDaddy WordPress Blogs Hacked #las http://tinyurl.com/23es9au | Apr 26 19:04 | |
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| sebsebseb | Gnome version tried like that is alright as well, sadly dark theme by default, just like Sabayon and Lucid | Apr 26 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: maybe they can rectify slavery places | Apr 26 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Like in China | Apr 26 19:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS grows closer to China, where was that link where MS sold 50% of MSN China to a chinese company. Most likely the chinese company is owned by the Chinese gov | Apr 26 19:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | probably a reward for backing the Reds there in the Google matter | Apr 26 19:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | as MSN china has to be losing a lot of money | Apr 26 19:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | by selling 50% MS can now agrue that censorship rights below equally with their partners in MSN China. So they are not to blame. They (MS) are never to blame. MSN China is not Bing, as far as I know, but I could be wrong | Apr 26 19:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *belong | Apr 26 19:10 |
| sebsebseb | a little old now, but yes good review | Apr 26 19:10 |
| sebsebseb | http://cristalinux.blogspot.com/2010/04/pclinuxos-2010-review.html | Apr 26 19:10 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | well, maybe the deal has not gone through yet: http://www.ciol.com/Global-News/Global-News/News-Reports/NetEase-to-become-MSN-partner-in-China/135180/0/ | Apr 26 19:16 |
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| schestowitz | brb | Apr 26 19:25 |
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| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy: They can garnish your unemployment | Apr 26 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 26 19:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "DaemonFC> Chips_B_Malroy: They can garnish your unemployment" I did not know that. | Apr 26 19:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | must have been Bush2 that did that | Apr 26 19:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Great lyrics "I don't read the Daily Mail and I don't intend to start" | Apr 26 19:45 | |
| ThistleWeb | few people do read the Daily Mail, their target audience seem limited to looking at the pictures | Apr 26 19:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Quote: "SHANGHAI: Chinese online game operator NetEase.com may be looking to buy into the joint venture between Microsoft and a Shanghai investment company to operate MSN in China, local reports said on Wednesday. Microsoft formed a joint venture with Shanghai Alliance Investment in 2005 to introduce MSN, an instant messaging platform and internet portal, to the mainland. But MSN has struggled to gain traction wit | Apr 26 19:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "the joint venture between Microsoft and a Shanghai investment company to operate MSN in China" So its already 50%, and this would make it less MS. | Apr 26 19:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Pope comes out as deep-cover atheist http://newstechnica.com/?p=2063 | Apr 26 19:51 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | What this is about is less MS control, so (1.) MS can blame more of the censorship on Chinese companies, as they will have controlling share. We are not to blame defense again. | Apr 26 19:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | (2.) MS cuts expenses on a known loser in China. as MS loses profit online. But this is more, while its not a cut of a project, its sort of a partial cut. | Apr 26 19:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | (3.) MS will have to pay less employees most likely under these deals. In effect, it could be another transferr of employees. | Apr 26 19:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] RT @con Why You Should Stop Using #Ubuntu #Linux and Move Back to #Debian http://con.ca/news/3534 | Apr 26 19:57 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] RT @con Facebook Is Once Again Overhyped http://con.ca/news/3550 | Apr 26 19:58 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] RT @con Facebook Does What's Best For Facebook http://con.ca/news/3547 | Apr 26 19:58 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> Reading the log yesterday, I noticed you are doing NetFlix for Silverlight streaming? | Apr 26 19:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Since both Netflix and Blockbuster use Silverlight or MS DRM protection software, MS sorts of has a monopoly on this Rental service streaming of the two biggest in the USA. The US market matters most to MS | Apr 26 20:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> so my question to you is this. Mono is not supposed to work with most Netflix/Blockbuster streaming movies, as they are protected with MS DRM (Silverlight) which Mono clearly does not have the patents for. Can you check this out? | Apr 26 20:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I should say Mono/Moonlight will not work | Apr 26 20:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ? | Apr 26 20:04 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Can you run XP with Silverlight in Virtualbox? | Apr 26 20:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Not that I would want to. Just wondering. | Apr 26 20:05 |
| satipera | Omar87 I just read the atrticle you linked to and am downloading debian in a minute. If ubuntu carry on as they are doing it is about time i familiarised myself with it | Apr 26 20:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] #cleanternet for a cleaner and safer Internet http://is.gd/bIPgX Drop the #ACTA now! | Apr 26 20:07 | |
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| Omar87 | satipera, yeah. Which Debian package are you downloading exactly? | Apr 26 20:12 |
| satipera | ha ha i am just trying to work that out | Apr 26 20:12 |
| satipera | a stable one | Apr 26 20:12 |
| Omar87 | satipera, lol. :-) | Apr 26 20:12 |
| satipera | I am having a read about it | Apr 26 20:13 |
| Omar87 | satipera, ask in the IRC. :) | Apr 26 20:13 |
| Omar87 | #Debian | Apr 26 20:13 |
| satipera | ty, i will if i can't work it out | Apr 26 20:13 |
| Omar87 | satipera, sure. :) | Apr 26 20:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Omar87> you could also try Mepis or Kanotix, both are based on Debian. Sidux is too, but its based on Sid repo's, so not as user friendly or stable, but good for more advanced users | Apr 26 20:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | all three are KDE | Apr 26 20:21 |
| Omar87 | Chips_B_Malroy, I see. | Apr 26 20:21 |
| Omar87 | I'm also interested in Crunchbang. | Apr 26 20:21 |
| Omar87 | It's Ubuntu-based, but it's completely Mono-free. | Apr 26 20:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Nothing wrong with Debian, mind you. Its just in the past was harder to setup than distros based on it. | Apr 26 20:22 |
| Omar87 | Actually one of the guys at #Crunchbang told me he hates Mono too. | Apr 26 20:22 |
| Omar87 | Yeah. Debian is excellent. | Apr 26 20:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Should check out Debian myself again, and see what it is like now again | Apr 26 20:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | It was a big download (Debian) that also stopped me many times | Apr 26 20:23 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Omar87>if you can get distro's without Gnome, it should be Mono free | Apr 26 20:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but might still be in the repo's | Apr 26 20:28 |
| Omar87 | Chips_B_Malroy, yeah. | Apr 26 20:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] And if you vote Tory, you'll get the Tories. | Apr 26 20:32 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @breinera: finished up program from OppDev Week with @jonobacon, Proud to announce Blogite 10.04.2 has been released, http://bit.ly/bv6gfq | Apr 26 20:37 | |
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| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy: Yeah, you could | Apr 26 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | and the DRM is what makes Moonlight so absurd | Apr 26 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | it'll never support things like Netflix | Apr 26 20:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC>what good is Moonlight then? Since it will not play Netflix/Blockbuster movies? And never will. And Moonlight is the only so called killer app that Mono really has. | Apr 26 20:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.joystiq.com/2010/04/26/datel-antitrust-lawsuit-against-microsoft-not-dismissed-by-court/ | Apr 26 20:41 |
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| MinceR | mono has a killer app? :> | Apr 26 20:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MinceR>NO! | Apr 26 20:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | satire | Apr 26 20:41 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 26 20:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Quote: "Datel's antitrust lawsuit against Microsoft will continue, now that a US District Court has rejected Microsoft's motion to dismiss the case. In all, five of Datel's six allegations against the Xbox 360 maker will be weighed. The court did dismiss Datel's claim that Microsoft would be blocking the company from competing in the console market, since Datel does not actually manufacture game consoles" | Apr 26 20:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they make the memory cards for one thing, that Xbox360 updates killed | Apr 26 20:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | So MS could rape XBox360 users into buying MS memory cards that cost many times more. | Apr 26 20:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "The antitrust case claims that by locking out Datel's Max Memory Card with a firmware update, Microsoft used its status as the platform holder to unlawfully prevent competition." | Apr 26 20:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | It looks to me that this case is dead. Because Datel only makes addon hardware, not the console itself. | Apr 26 20:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But Datel could continue to sue, just to harash MS for destroying their business, and hope for a settlesment | Apr 26 20:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *settlement, if only I could spell | Apr 26 20:47 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | What MS has done here with Datel is a lot like what Apple does with the efi chip. Block out the competition. | Apr 26 20:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | using software to do it in MS case, and Apple both software and hardware chip to preven OS X from running on NON Apple hardware | Apr 26 20:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @biglesp: @jonobacon Any chance you can RT this please? Coming to Oggcamp? Do you want Ubuntu? http://goo.gl/iYeQ #lo #ubuntu #oggcamp | Apr 26 20:51 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Watch, this will be done now on an increasing larger scale | Apr 26 20:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | This is a big treath to personal freedom on computers | Apr 26 20:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *threath | Apr 26 20:52 |
| MinceR | *threat | Apr 26 20:54 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 26 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: that film is good | Apr 26 21:00 |
| schestowitz | I'm in part 7 now... it's similar to all the talks she gave to sell the book | Apr 26 21:00 |
| schestowitz | [20:52] <Chips_B_Malroy> This is a big treath to personal freedom on computers | Apr 26 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Or life | Apr 26 21:01 |
| schestowitz | it extrapolates | Apr 26 21:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSNJqQj9pX8&feature=related | Apr 26 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | Skip to 3:20 | Apr 26 21:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #Gwibber is still very unstable. It keeps crashing and at some point, it won't even start. | Apr 26 21:01 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Truth to MS == Pif Paf to a cockroach. | Apr 26 21:01 | |
| schestowitz | Kristoff | Apr 26 21:01 |
| schestowitz | That's the NYT journalist who called to "boycott Bing" IIRC | Apr 26 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Because Microsoft is helping China oppress 'its' people | Apr 26 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | If that's the guy whom I remember, he called for the boycott last year, before Google left | Apr 26 21:02 |
| MinceR | NYT cares about that now? | Apr 26 21:03 |
| schestowitz | I guess | Apr 26 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Some people like NYT | Apr 26 21:03 |
| schestowitz | De facto | Apr 26 21:03 |
| Omar87 | FSDaily seems down for some reason. | Apr 26 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Others can't stand the bugger (me in the latter group for the most part) | Apr 26 21:03 |
| schestowitz | They get their instructions from DC and also, there's less safety in reporting invetigatively these days (without punishment/harassment) | Apr 26 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: common | Apr 26 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Yes, down here too | Apr 26 21:05 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, yeah. I just checked at downforeveryoneorjustme.com, it seems down there too. | Apr 26 21:05 |
| schestowitz | OK, i'll make some more posts. I have about 10 pending | Apr 26 21:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] European Comission wants to impose EU-wide internet blocking to prevent "child abuse". We all know where that slipery slope ends... | Apr 26 21:05 | |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Keep up the good work. :) | Apr 26 21:06 |
| *schestowitz puts on some Korean pop music | Apr 26 21:06 | |
| Omar87 | Excellent posts so far. :) | Apr 26 21:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "European Comission wants to impose EU-wide internet blocking to prevent "child abuse"." Once this is in place, remember what it really is, a corporate tool for the media and patents companines. | Apr 26 21:08 |
| satipera | then vpn's will be made illegal | Apr 26 21:20 |
| satipera | omar87 almost finished install | Apr 26 21:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | So whats the deal with "Lucy Buntu" and "Mr. Dee," is he/she trying to outdo Ina Fried on Cnet and get he/she's job there? | Apr 26 21:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] We've been here over an hour, and not recorded a single second of @uupc Maybe we should stop gassing and record! | Apr 26 21:34 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/blog-post/1599155/microsoft-rips-users-usb-storage | Apr 26 21:35 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | But, while you can use non ms sponsered usb sticks for now, remember what happened to Datel? | Apr 26 21:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | It could be an udate away from non working in an XBox360 | Apr 26 21:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @keybuk: I hate exercise. I hate getting fit. I want to lay on the sofa and stuff my face with burgers and cake. | Apr 26 21:39 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC>Redbox is going have movies before Netflix, as Netflix just made a deal to not rent out movies until after 30days when stores get dvds. | Apr 26 21:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35222092 | Apr 26 21:47 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | I hate to use msnbc as source | Apr 26 21:48 |
| Omar87 | satipera, great! :) | Apr 26 21:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hollywood Video is the number 3 video rental in the USA. Or was. What I have been trying to show in the past, is MS creating another monopoly to make money and push Silverlight on us. By using the two largest Video rental services: Netflix and Blockbuster. The money trail with Netflix. Icahn as a possilbe unspoken proxy in Blockbuster takeover. | Apr 26 21:50 |
| Omar87 | satipera, enjoy! ;) | Apr 26 21:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | And Mono/Moonlight as a broken tool, that does not work in Linux to get Netflix/Blockbuster streaming movies, because of MS DRM | Apr 26 21:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RationalWiki facebook group: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=114421575256439 | Apr 26 21:52 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | It all tries togeather. MS trying to control the streaming of content. | Apr 26 21:52 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Later all, I let you folks get back to work | Apr 26 21:54 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] People are probably wondering why I'm sending pointless pictures...just testing my pic tweeting features on HTC. | Apr 26 22:15 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Modest Proposal to #Palm : Set #WebOS Free, Encourage Homebrew http://ur1.ca/x9eh #linux #palmos #pre #gpl | Apr 26 22:22 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @_Goblin I really like taking on MS employees on twitter. It gives me a feeling of suspense. :P | Apr 26 22:23 | |
| Omar87 | Good night all. | Apr 26 22:29 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I had hoped when Richard returned to Openbytes he would not become the liar he did last time...how wrong was I. A reply is on order soon. | Apr 26 22:30 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Unfortunately that will have to wait until I get home. | Apr 26 22:31 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Eye on #Security : All Web Browsers Are Insecure… on #Windows http://techrights.org/2010/04/26/windows-as-source-of-threat/ | Apr 26 22:32 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] http://is.gd/bIYDA Drugs in Portugal: Did Decriminalization Work? (from last year, and the answer is yes, but read on!) | Apr 26 22:54 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Conficker Still a “Loaded Gun, Waiting to be Fired.” http://ur1.ca/x9nm | Apr 26 23:02 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Conficker a year later is a 'loaded gun' - conficker, security - Techworld .::. Size~: 48.23 KB | Apr 26 23:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft has new tools only for people who are in #politics http://techrights.org/2010/04/26/microsoft-targets-politicians/ | Apr 26 23:12 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft Targets Politicians | Techrights .::. Size~: 96.07 KB | Apr 26 23:12 |
| ThistleWeb | just remembered why I hate zdnet, the design of the comments is terrible, if I remember correct that's the site that lets you think you can quickly post a comment, then takes you to a new page where it wants everything (almost) down the size of your dick to sign up | Apr 26 23:15 |
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| _goblin | evening all | Apr 26 23:20 |
| schestowitz | [21:48] <Chips_B_Malroy> I hate to use msnbc as source | Apr 26 23:21 |
| schestowitz | MSNBC hardly writes news, it hosts AP content | Apr 26 23:21 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, perlow was here for a while | Apr 26 23:22 |
| schestowitz | He is a Windows apologist :-) | Apr 26 23:22 |
| schestowitz | No more. | Apr 26 23:22 |
| _goblin | Yeah I saw that...... | Apr 26 23:24 |
| _goblin | was on the train when reading it..... | Apr 26 23:25 |
| _goblin | interesting article | Apr 26 23:25 |
| schestowitz | "The fact that you know little or nothing about ACTA is not coincidental. Supporters of this unwise agreement know that if it were exposed to the light of day, consumer outrage would stop the agreement from becoming law." | Apr 26 23:26 |
| schestowitz | The fact that you know little or nothing about ACTA is not coincidental. Supporters of this unwise agreement know that if it were exposed to the light of day, consumer outrage would stop the agreement from becoming law. | Apr 26 23:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.forbes.com/2010/04/13/counterfeit-trade-agreement-opinions-contributors-gary-shapiro.html | Apr 26 23:27 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Anti-Counterfeiting Agreement Undermines Efforts Toward Transparency - Forbes.com .::. Size~: 27.69 KB | Apr 26 23:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @Omar_S_Hafez I don't think Richard is anything more than a loner though....would MS want his "skills"? | Apr 26 23:31 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @Omar_S_Hafez I would doubt it, I think it is more likely he's one of the youth from Linsux. | Apr 26 23:32 | |
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