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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ASUS , #Dell and Others to Offer #Linux Tablets http://ur1.ca/ycbi http://ur1.ca/ycbj http://ur1.ca/ycbk | May 02 00:35 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Spent the whole day asleep. Zzzzzz. So much for house rebuilding. @hawkeviper visited with cookies. | May 02 00:36 | |
| schestowitz | [23:05] <Aondo> that article about meego, sugests that microsoft might join that project.. sounds unlikely to me.. | May 02 00:51 |
| schestowitz | In the patent sense, yes | May 02 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Nokia is already a Microsoft partners | May 02 00:51 |
| schestowitz | *partner | May 02 00:51 |
| ender2070 | woot im not a noob | May 02 00:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @jwildeboer "nobody offers windows tablets. That's the message." >and "courier" just died. I'll post about it | May 02 01:02 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] OK, time for another shower and then it's off to bed. (up since 05:30). Tomorow is another day ;-) Good night! | May 02 01:12 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I've just enabled all the kwin effects in #KDE . Apple would get --*-ing nervous if it saw that. Good job, KDE. Bad Jobs, Apple. | May 02 01:35 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @silner #KDE really innovates. In fact, it moves too fast for me. Every time I come back to it, it's like a totally different desktop. | May 02 01:46 | |
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| _goblin | hi all | May 02 01:50 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: hi | May 02 01:51 |
| _goblin | hows things going? | May 02 01:51 |
| sebsebseb | ok | May 02 01:52 |
| sebsebseb | you? | May 02 01:52 |
| _goblin | yeah good.....Been busy over the last few days, but ive got sunday off.... | May 02 01:52 |
| InternetPolice | Charlton Brooker insulted the BBC This Week beginning titles | May 02 01:53 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: I was busy on Friday | May 02 01:53 |
| sebsebseb | oh InternetPolice is in here | May 02 01:53 |
| _goblin | InternetPolice? | May 02 01:53 |
| InternetPolice | hello _goblin, I'm bruce89 | May 02 01:53 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: yeah he's a guy that | May 02 01:53 |
| sebsebseb | is montiroing all of us | May 02 01:53 |
| _goblin | ah... | May 02 01:53 |
| sebsebseb | lol | May 02 01:53 |
| InternetPolice | I'll change it back I think | May 02 01:54 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: that got you worried? :D | May 02 01:54 |
| _goblin | lol | May 02 01:54 |
| *InternetPolice is now known as bruce89 | May 02 01:54 | |
| sebsebseb | altough monitoring uh who needs that | May 02 01:54 |
| _goblin | er no. | May 02 01:54 |
| sebsebseb | with public channel logs? | May 02 01:54 |
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| netsexsymbol | actually no.... | May 02 01:55 |
| *netsexsymbol is now known as ArnoldJRimmer | May 02 01:55 | |
| sebsebseb | sounds familur | May 02 01:56 |
| sebsebseb | ,but who is that | May 02 01:56 |
| sebsebseb | ArnoldJRimmer: | May 02 01:56 |
| sebsebseb | hrm so far it looks like I won't be updating other computer from Karmic to Lucid tonight, but I might | May 02 01:56 |
| ArnoldJRimmer | http://www.thekeep.org/~kunoichi/kunoichi/red_dwarf/rimmer_flibble.jpg | May 02 01:56 |
| bruce89 | ArnoldJRimmer: you are a cancerous polyp in the anus of humanity | May 02 01:57 |
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| ArnoldJRimmer | bruce89: That sounds like a damn good description of an MVP | May 02 01:57 |
| bruce89 | for the record, I don't mean that to _goblin, it's a quote | May 02 01:57 |
| ArnoldJRimmer | yeah.....Im a dwarfer here..... | May 02 01:57 |
| ArnoldJRimmer | me and daemonfc often exchange Red Dwarf phrases. | May 02 01:57 |
| bruce89 | it does mean changing the bulb etc. | May 02 01:58 |
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| _Goblin | red alert? | May 02 01:58 |
| *sebsebseb upgrade computer or not hrm | May 02 01:58 | |
| _Goblin | "I can't believe Im running away from a psychopathic curried man" | May 02 01:58 |
| bruce89 | for god's sake give me an epidural | May 02 01:59 |
| bruce89 | I suspect this could go on all night, I have a knack for remembering quotes | May 02 02:00 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Has Just Shot the #Courier (Yet Another Dead Product) http://ur1.ca/ycl0 #linux #hypepad #tablet | May 02 02:14 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I am profoundly disappointed at those LibDems who support casual racism in the cause of a cheap shot at Gordon Brown. http://is.gd/bQtBF | May 02 02:47 | |
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| bruce89 | that is a very sad enditment of our society | May 02 02:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Appears to Have Done More Against #Acacia (Patent Troll) http://ur1.ca/ycs9 #sco #novell #swpats #linux | May 02 02:55 | |
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| bruce89 | the comment at http://elmyra.livejournal.com/498792.html?thread=1416296#t1416296 is utterly dreadful | May 02 03:09 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] “Give Us Legal Immunity, We’d Be Happy To Provide Proof Of Illegal Phone Tapping” http://bit.ly/9QiY0o #india #phonetapping | May 02 03:30 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] "Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as (cont) http://tl.gd/141fik | May 02 04:41 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I've been ending everything I say with "thump thump thump" | May 02 04:41 |
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| DaemonFC | mocking that asshole downstairs and his crap music | May 02 04:41 |
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| cubezzz | another windows bug... lol | May 02 06:02 |
| cubezzz | man, there's absolutely no doubt whatsoever that GNU/Linux/X is the way to go | May 02 06:05 |
| cubezzz | maybe Haiku and AROS are decent, I haven't tried them, only the proprietary originals | May 02 06:06 |
| cubezzz | it would be interesting to run the Amiga again | May 02 06:06 |
| ender2070 | Haiku might actually be useful t hough | May 02 06:07 |
| cubezzz | yeah I think I'll check it out | May 02 06:08 |
| cubezzz | may as well try everything at least once | May 02 06:09 |
| ender2070 | http://www.haiku-os.org/ | May 02 06:09 |
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| cubezzz | are you running Haiku ender2070? | May 02 06:09 |
| ender2070 | i might check it out too | May 02 06:09 |
| ender2070 | nah | May 02 06:09 |
| cubezzz | Alpha 1 status though | May 02 06:10 |
| ender2070 | oh i remember why i decided not to | May 02 06:10 |
| ender2070 | its 32-bit only | May 02 06:10 |
| cubezzz | that's OK | May 02 06:10 |
| cubezzz | I got 32-bit everything still | May 02 06:10 |
| ender2070 | ok if you don't have to compress/decompress any files | May 02 06:10 |
| ender2070 | and okay if you have less than 4gb ram | May 02 06:11 |
| cubezzz | well then AROS :) | May 02 06:11 |
| ender2070 | im surprised someone is developing a brand new os using 32-bit | May 02 06:11 |
| cubezzz | I suppose AROS is also 32-bit? | May 02 06:12 |
| ender2070 | no idea | May 02 06:12 |
| ender2070 | never touched aros | May 02 06:12 |
| ender2070 | i like these types of OS's though | May 02 06:13 |
| cubezzz | you don't have any 32-bit machines? | May 02 06:13 |
| ender2070 | i do i'm just being facetious | May 02 06:13 |
| ender2070 | haiku is a beos rewrite anyways, should be coded for modern cpu's | May 02 06:14 |
| cubezzz | this could be the golden age of operating systems :) | May 02 06:15 |
| ender2070 | look at it this way | May 02 06:15 |
| ender2070 | eventually they'll have to make it 64-bit anyways | May 02 06:16 |
| ender2070 | sooner rather than later too | May 02 06:16 |
| ender2070 | microsoft said the next windows wont have a 32-bit version | May 02 06:16 |
| ender2070 | im sure by then intel and amd will phase out support | May 02 06:17 |
| cubezzz | huh | May 02 06:17 |
| ender2070 | x128_64 cpus | May 02 06:17 |
| cubezzz | riiight :) | May 02 06:17 |
| cubezzz | you think they really would do that? | May 02 06:18 |
| cubezzz | phase out 32-bit? | May 02 06:18 |
| ender2070 | there wont be another 32-bit windows | May 02 06:18 |
| cubezzz | that's just windows though | May 02 06:18 |
| ender2070 | tho they'll have the instruction set till the end of time im sure | May 02 06:18 |
| ender2070 | lol | May 02 06:18 |
| cubezzz | what about the AROS and Haiku customers? | May 02 06:19 |
| cubezzz | they'll get angry | May 02 06:19 |
| ender2070 | what about them | May 02 06:19 |
| cubezzz | and boycott intel | May 02 06:19 |
| ender2070 | they arent paying anyone bribes to push hardware | May 02 06:19 |
| cubezzz | yeah I was joking :) | May 02 06:19 |
| ender2070 | :) | May 02 06:19 |
| ender2070 | microsoft makes intel a lot of money by making a slower version of windows upon every release | May 02 06:20 |
| cubezzz | Linux will keep 32-bit alive | May 02 06:20 |
| cubezzz | that's perverse, it really is | May 02 06:20 |
| ender2070 | Linux is also the sole force pushing 64-bit too | May 02 06:20 |
| ender2070 | lol | May 02 06:20 |
| ender2070 | practically all the software for linux became 64-bit simply through recompilation | May 02 06:21 |
| ender2070 | other software needed tweaks for optimizations | May 02 06:21 |
| ender2070 | having the source code enabled entire repo's to be done in no time at all | May 02 06:21 |
| ender2070 | vs windows and waiting for greedy proprietary companies to recompile their apps for 64-bit and charge seperately | May 02 06:22 |
| cubezzz | I want my OS to be efficient | May 02 06:22 |
| cubezzz | on old(ish) hardware even | May 02 06:22 |
| ender2070 | i dont want non64-bit hardware | May 02 06:23 |
| cubezzz | ok, what about PDA? You really need a 64-bit PDA? :) | May 02 06:23 |
| ender2070 | my laptop is my pda, and yes | May 02 06:23 |
| cubezzz | btw AROS supports x86-64 | May 02 06:24 |
| ender2070 | good | May 02 06:24 |
| ender2070 | iirc, aros is linux based anyways | May 02 06:24 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | May 02 06:24 |
| ender2070 | wasn't it amiga + linux, and hardly used ? | May 02 06:25 |
| cubezzz | I'm not sure actually | May 02 06:26 |
| cubezzz | it's source compatible with Amiga source code, so you can just re-compile and it will run Amiga programs | May 02 06:27 |
| cubezzz | which is fine, as long as you have the source code :) | May 02 06:27 |
| cubezzz | compatible with AmigaDOS 3.1 mostly | May 02 06:27 |
| cubezzz | kind of like wine I think | May 02 06:28 |
| ender2070 | looks like its linux based | May 02 06:28 |
| cubezzz | as you say, AmigaDOS + Linux | May 02 06:29 |
| ender2070 | yeah | May 02 06:30 |
| ender2070 | looks that way | May 02 06:30 |
| ender2070 | ever try out Plan9 ? | May 02 06:30 |
| cubezzz | yeah I did, but it was too weird | May 02 06:30 |
| cubezzz | I might try tinycore or LFS on the 486 | May 02 06:31 |
| cubezzz | I found a SCSI-1 controller :) | May 02 06:31 |
| cubezzz | and I have a ton of SCSI-1 CDROMs still | May 02 06:32 |
| ender2070 | sweet | May 02 06:32 |
| cubezzz | if it runs fast on the 486 it should really be fast on modern :) | May 02 06:32 |
| ender2070 | you should write your own OS | May 02 06:33 |
| cubezzz | maybe | May 02 06:33 |
| cubezzz | it sounds hard | May 02 06:35 |
| cubezzz | there's also that assembler OS miniuet or something | May 02 06:35 |
| ender2070 | yeah | May 02 06:35 |
| ender2070 | brb | May 02 06:36 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Eyeing IDs Usha Ramanathan http://bit.ly/b41eU8 #uid | May 02 07:00 | |
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| cubezzz | seems like Rogers cable is losing customers | May 02 07:12 |
| cubezzz | I'm seeing more and more UHF Antennas go up | May 02 07:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @hfactor: To move buttons in Ubuntu10.04 from to right, do gconftool -s /apps/metacity/general/button_layout -t string "menu:maximize,min | May 02 07:14 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @hfactor: 2 move buttons in Ubuntu 2 right, do gconftool -s /apps/metacity/general/button_layout -t string "menu:maximize,minimize,close" | May 02 07:17 | |
| cubezzz | still downloading AROS..at 40 kps | May 02 07:18 |
| cubezzz | burning Haiku now | May 02 07:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Good morning! I'm late today. Already 08:15 hrs here. | May 02 07:32 | |
| ender2070 | nice | May 02 07:32 |
| cubezzz | I'll try booting the live CD on the lappy | May 02 07:32 |
| ender2070 | cool stuff | May 02 07:34 |
| ender2070 | im working on some c++ | May 02 07:35 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - also as above, showcase and discovery both offer tv shows online now | May 02 07:39 |
| ender2070 | more and more networks are doing this | May 02 07:39 |
| ender2070 | for some of us, we wont need to pay for tv | May 02 07:39 |
| ender2070 | i watch kenny vs spenny, and pure pwnage on showcase for free | May 02 07:39 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | May 02 07:39 |
| ender2070 | theres a short 10-20 second ad twice during the show | May 02 07:40 |
| ender2070 | discovery has 'canadas worst handyman' and 'canadas worst driver' up for free too | May 02 07:40 |
| ender2070 | those are more or less the only new shows i watch | May 02 07:40 |
| cubezzz | Murdoch Mysteries isn't bad :) | May 02 07:41 |
| cubezzz | of course it's on CityTV on antenna so no prob | May 02 07:41 |
| ender2070 | i got box sets of sg atlantis | May 02 07:42 |
| ender2070 | working on sg1 | May 02 07:42 |
| cubezzz | how about original star trek on bluray? :) | May 02 07:42 |
| ender2070 | im going to skip bluray | May 02 07:42 |
| ender2070 | dvd is good enough for my low def tv | May 02 07:43 |
| ender2070 | and blueray will be obsolete in about 10 years | May 02 07:43 |
| ender2070 | ill use whatever replaces bluray | May 02 07:44 |
| cubezzz | by then we'll have super duper uncrackable DRM! | May 02 07:44 |
| cubezzz | or something | May 02 07:44 |
| ender2070 | lol | May 02 07:44 |
| ender2070 | unless bluray burners end up being $30 | May 02 07:44 |
| ender2070 | then ill just have that in my pc | May 02 07:44 |
| ender2070 | knowing sony tho i dont think they'll ever be that cheap | May 02 07:45 |
| cubezzz | do you bother with Tv tuner cards? | May 02 07:45 |
| ender2070 | the license alone is probably over $100 | May 02 07:45 |
| ender2070 | i dont even have cable | May 02 07:46 |
| ender2070 | i have an adaptec usb thing which has rca inputs on it | May 02 07:46 |
| cubezzz | no antenna either? | May 02 07:47 |
| ender2070 | theres an addon for it somewhere | May 02 07:47 |
| ender2070 | i dont use antenna | May 02 07:47 |
| cubezzz | a friend of mine is a antenna junkie | May 02 07:47 |
| ender2070 | i cant be bothered to tune anything | May 02 07:47 |
| cubezzz | it's got like 12 aerials :) | May 02 07:47 |
| cubezzz | shortwave, FM, AM, UHF, VHF, and some stuff I don't even know | May 02 07:48 |
| ender2070 | can you still get fox | May 02 07:48 |
| cubezzz | let me check :) | May 02 07:48 |
| ender2070 | i remember it was the clearest one | May 02 07:48 |
| cubezzz | yes | May 02 07:49 |
| cubezzz | WUTV-HD Fox Buffalo NY | May 02 07:49 |
| ender2070 | global probably got better too | May 02 07:49 |
| cubezzz | I get RTN too which is nice to have | May 02 07:49 |
| cubezzz | for old shows | May 02 07:49 |
| ender2070 | shortwave eh | May 02 07:50 |
| cubezzz | this guy is like the Antenna God | May 02 07:50 |
| ender2070 | i always wanted a shortwave | May 02 07:50 |
| ender2070 | theres some good stuff you can listen to on it | May 02 07:51 |
| ender2070 | news from other countries | May 02 07:51 |
| cubezzz | dude, it's Antenna time : | May 02 07:51 |
| cubezzz | 50 foot tower :) | May 02 07:51 |
| cubezzz | or at least 40 foot | May 02 07:52 |
| ender2070 | people in communist countries had to rely on it to get non-totalitarian news | May 02 07:52 |
| ender2070 | ussr days | May 02 07:52 |
| cubezzz | oh and FTA satellite dish too | May 02 07:53 |
| cubezzz | forgot that one | May 02 07:53 |
| cubezzz | bebook looks just like firefox | May 02 07:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] http://openbytes.wordpress.com/ where you can see Andre da Costa in action. | May 02 07:54 | |
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| ender2070 | bebook? | May 02 07:54 |
| cubezzz | I think that's Haiku's browser | May 02 07:54 |
| cubezzz | well I like Fedora a lot better | May 02 07:55 |
| cubezzz | which I expected | May 02 07:55 |
| ender2070 | :) | May 02 07:55 |
| cubezzz | video pref is a bit slow | May 02 07:56 |
| ender2070 | haiku? | May 02 07:58 |
| cubezzz | yes | May 02 07:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] It is facinating that people can have such low standards. Just incredible! | May 02 07:58 | |
| cubezzz | just checking if flash works now | May 02 07:58 |
| cubezzz | how come flash never works out of the box? | May 02 07:58 |
| ender2070 | flash is proprietary | May 02 07:59 |
| cubezzz | well I don't think flash works on Haiku :) | May 02 07:59 |
| cubezzz | anyways, I should have expected that | May 02 07:59 |
| ender2070 | because its proprietary | May 02 07:59 |
| ender2070 | im sure they would compile a version that worked if it wasnt | May 02 08:00 |
| ender2070 | (the haiku team) | May 02 08:00 |
| cubezzz | there's gnash I think | May 02 08:00 |
| ender2070 | there is | May 02 08:01 |
| cubezzz | you know I liked AmigaDOS better than this | May 02 08:02 |
| ender2070 | you ever use beos? | May 02 08:02 |
| cubezzz | yeah I tried it back in 1998 | May 02 08:02 |
| ender2070 | ooo | May 02 08:02 |
| ender2070 | http://heretic.blastmagazine.com/2010/04/singularity-watch-us-airmen-to-serve-in-parallel-universe/ | May 02 08:02 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Singularity watch: US Airmen to serve in parallel universe | The Sci-Tech Heretic .::. Size~: 24.23 KB | May 02 08:02 |
| cubezzz | it seemed more complete than Haiku is now | May 02 08:03 |
| cubezzz | in 1998 there was win95 and BeOS | May 02 08:04 |
| cubezzz | Commodore was dead | May 02 08:04 |
| cubezzz | actually the browser is called "Bon Echo" based on Mozilla | May 02 08:06 |
| ender2070 | yeah | May 02 08:06 |
| cubezzz | looks very similar to Firefox though | May 02 08:06 |
| ender2070 | its a dev firefox | May 02 08:06 |
| ender2070 | i didnt know china sterilized people | May 02 08:06 |
| ender2070 | http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/China-Authorities-Plan-To-Sterilise-10000-People-To-Ensure-They-Meet-Family-Planning-Targets/Article/201004415613125?f=rss | May 02 08:07 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: China: Authorities Plan To Sterilise 10,000 People To Ensure They Meet Family Planning Targets | World News | Sky News .::. Size~: 71.79 KB | May 02 08:07 |
| cubezzz | I'm not surprised at all | May 02 08:07 |
| cubezzz | I think that's enough of Haiku | May 02 08:07 |
| cubezzz | ;-) | May 02 08:07 |
| ender2070 | lol | May 02 08:08 |
| ender2070 | yeah i'd just rather use Fedora/KDE | May 02 08:08 |
| cubezzz | like I don't know how to do anything and I can't remember BeOS | May 02 08:08 |
| cubezzz | I think it has a command prompt right? | May 02 08:08 |
| cubezzz | like how do I reboot? :) | May 02 08:08 |
| ender2070 | lol | May 02 08:09 |
| ender2070 | i dont know :( | May 02 08:09 |
| cubezzz | aha, I right-click the blue leaf! | May 02 08:12 |
| cubezzz | a triumph | May 02 08:12 |
| ender2070 | lets see if my nvidia driver works in f13 | May 02 08:13 |
| cubezzz | sorry Haiku, I'll try you later when I'm really really bored | May 02 08:13 |
| cubezzz | don't you mean nouveau? :) | May 02 08:14 |
| ender2070 | no i mean nvidia | May 02 08:15 |
| ender2070 | nouveau has no power management yet | May 02 08:15 |
| ender2070 | awesome it works | May 02 08:17 |
| cubezzz | I bet I'll like AROS better than Haiku | May 02 08:18 |
| ender2070 | maybe u will | May 02 08:19 |
| cubezzz | http://members.shaw.ca/guis/aros/prefs2.png | May 02 08:19 |
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| cubezzz | you can check out all the different GUI's here: | May 02 08:20 |
| cubezzz | http://members.shaw.ca/guis/ | May 02 08:20 |
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| cubezzz | look at Plan 9 and tell me you can understand what the heck is going on: | May 02 08:22 |
| cubezzz | http://members.shaw.ca/guis/plan9/startup.png | May 02 08:22 |
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| cubezzz | l,m,i,s,c,e wtf? | May 02 08:23 |
| ender2070 | oh yeah i forgot about ZETA | May 02 08:25 |
| ender2070 | an alternative to windows that lefty helped murder | May 02 08:25 |
| cubezzz | lefty? | May 02 08:25 |
| ender2070 | yes | May 02 08:26 |
| cubezzz | another BeOS type OS I see | May 02 08:26 |
| ender2070 | ACCESS owns the BeOS code | May 02 08:26 |
| ender2070 | except they do nothing with it | May 02 08:27 |
| ender2070 | they are trolls | May 02 08:27 |
| cubezzz | Amiga is more alive than BeOS I'd say | May 02 08:27 |
| cubezzz | you can buy Amigas, you can't buy BeBox | May 02 08:28 |
| ender2070 | BeBoxen | May 02 08:28 |
| cubezzz | BeBox did look cool though | May 02 08:33 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Damn! I can't change the settings for my touchpad in #KDE 4.4.2 | May 02 08:36 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft may have actually threatened to sue #HTC in order to sign a patent deal covering #Android for unnamed patents http://ur1.ca/ydx8 | May 02 08:53 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Going to IITDelhi for ubuntu release party. #ubuntu, just ordered a cake. | May 02 09:03 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple ’s and #Microsoft ’s New Motto: Do More Evil, Together http://ur1.ca/ye6m #theora #ogg #swpats | May 02 10:18 | |
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| cubezzz | what is this 7z stuff | May 02 10:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Adds Support for #Vista7 , .NET Applications, Winforms, and #Microsoft #WPF While Its Own Business Erodes http://ur1.ca/ye82 | May 02 10:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @Omar_S_Hafez: Interesting M. Begin quote, do you have the source and context for me? | May 02 10:34 | |
| oiaohm | 7 zip arcve cubezzz I would think. | May 02 10:48 |
| oiaohm | There are a few tools out there that can open it. | May 02 10:48 |
| cubezzz | yeah I have it, just forgot | May 02 10:49 |
| cubezzz | giving AROS a go :) | May 02 10:49 |
| oiaohm | http://p7zip.sourceforge.net/ On Linux works as well as a few java programs. cubezzz | May 02 10:51 |
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| cubezzz | 7-Zip 4.65 Copyright (c) 1999-2009 Igor Pavlov 2009-02-03 | May 02 10:52 |
| cubezzz | well this should be interesting | May 02 10:52 |
| oiaohm | http://peazip.sourceforge.net/ As well as this. | May 02 10:52 |
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| oiaohm | And quite a few others cubezzz | May 02 10:53 |
| oiaohm | 7-Zip author has kept the fileformat stable. cubezzz | May 02 10:53 |
| cubezzz | Haiku was a bit disappointing | May 02 10:56 |
| cubezzz | ah, 5alive keeps the brain going | May 02 10:57 |
| cubezzz | here we go... | May 02 10:57 |
| cubezzz | pretty swish | May 02 10:58 |
| Eruaran | Here's an interesting clip with regard to the condition of the United States today: | May 02 11:00 |
| Eruaran | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZU0c8DAIU4&feature=related | May 02 11:00 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] You may want to go into hiding today as your patience with oth... More for Aquarius http://twittascope.com/?sign=11 | May 02 11:02 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Switched back to talking about geekbox rather than 2nd go at #mumbuntu at #oggcamp after peer pressure and #mumbuntu talk was videoed anyway | May 02 11:04 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Yahoo and #Microsoft Are Like #Novell and Microsoft http://ur1.ca/yebt A timely comparison and sign of things to come | May 02 11:05 | |
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| cubezzz | well AROS is pretty cool actually | May 02 11:05 |
| cubezzz | that's McCarthy era Eruaran | May 02 11:10 |
| cubezzz | they were jumping at shadows back then | May 02 11:10 |
| Eruaran | The clip is from the 1970's | May 02 11:11 |
| cubezzz | oops, sorry I read the wrong line | May 02 11:11 |
| cubezzz | "Mind blowing speech by Robert Welch in 1958" | May 02 11:12 |
| cubezzz | techrightsbot | May 02 11:12 |
| Eruaran | The title is unfortunate - only in the opening of his speech does he quote himself from 1958 | May 02 11:13 |
| cubezzz | ah I see | May 02 11:13 |
| Eruaran | What he describes though is eerily prophetic and accurate | May 02 11:13 |
| Eruaran | Sadly | May 02 11:13 |
| Eruaran | What is also illustrated is that the society he founded failed to acheive its goals | May 02 11:14 |
| cubezzz | AROS is closer to AmigaDOS than Linux | May 02 11:14 |
| Eruaran | Perhaps they underestimated how difficult it would be | May 02 11:14 |
| Eruaran | cubezzz: have you used AROS? | May 02 11:15 |
| cubezzz | I'm using it now | May 02 11:15 |
| Eruaran | oh ok... its it good? | May 02 11:15 |
| cubezzz | yeah! | May 02 11:15 |
| cubezzz | it's pretty nice | May 02 11:15 |
| Eruaran | Is it like workbench? | May 02 11:16 |
| Eruaran | or lage AmigaOS? | May 02 11:16 |
| Eruaran | *late | May 02 11:16 |
| cubezzz | it's like of like workbench, but it looks quite different from amigados 4.1 | May 02 11:17 |
| cubezzz | it's more like AmigaDOS 3.1 | May 02 11:17 |
| Eruaran | 3.1? | May 02 11:17 |
| Eruaran | ah i c | May 02 11:17 |
| cubezzz | yes :) | May 02 11:17 |
| Eruaran | I watched a clip of a guy who restored and upgraded an A1200 who went from 3.1 to 3.9 but said he couldn't see any benefit to the upgrade | May 02 11:18 |
| cubezzz | well when I get my 1200 it will have 3.1 on it | May 02 11:18 |
| Eruaran | The Amiga is the only computer that is like a classic car | May 02 11:18 |
| cubezzz | heh | May 02 11:18 |
| Eruaran | People lovingly restore and soup up their classic cars | May 02 11:18 |
| Eruaran | Likewise Amiga's | May 02 11:19 |
| cubezzz | Eruaran, I think the Amiga 1200 is going to be a lot of fun | May 02 11:19 |
| Eruaran | I always thought the 1200 was a thing of beauty | May 02 11:19 |
| cubezzz | you should have kept yours! | May 02 11:19 |
| Eruaran | Same classic Amiga computer/keyboard style - more powerful | May 02 11:19 |
| cubezzz | or is it just broken? | May 02 11:20 |
| Eruaran | I never had one | May 02 11:20 |
| cubezzz | oh! sorry, I thought you did | May 02 11:20 |
| Eruaran | I had a friend who had one | May 02 11:20 |
| Eruaran | I used to spend a lot of time at his place | May 02 11:20 |
| cubezzz | AROS looks nicer than GNOME, and it's much faster than KDE 4+ | May 02 11:21 |
| Eruaran | his 1200 ran rings around my PC of the time | May 02 11:21 |
| cubezzz | I bet | May 02 11:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Campbell Barton (Blender) is about to show an exclusive trailer for their new film (project Durian) at #oggcamp ! | May 02 11:21 | |
| cubezzz | bummer, it didn't pick up my network card | May 02 11:21 |
| Eruaran | I'd expect AROS to be tightly integrated though with a fast GUI | May 02 11:22 |
| cubezzz | for IRC you click on a pic of chewbacca :) | May 02 11:22 |
| Eruaran | lol | May 02 11:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @trucano: ICTs in School Education - Outsourced versus Integrated Approach (India: Kerala vs. Karnataka) http://ow.ly/1Ed7u | May 02 11:23 | |
| cubezzz | I don't think I can run AROS on Amiga 1200 though | May 02 11:23 |
| Eruaran | I wish they'd opened up the AmigaOS | May 02 11:23 |
| cubezzz | platforms IA-32, x86-64, PowerPC | May 02 11:23 |
| Eruaran | hmm that should mean that AROS would run on newer Amiga SAM boards | May 02 11:24 |
| cubezzz | I can never seem to get the perfect hardware/software combo | May 02 11:24 |
| cubezzz | yeah it does | May 02 11:24 |
| cubezzz | lots of $$$ though | May 02 11:24 |
| Eruaran | they do seem quite expensive | May 02 11:24 |
| Eruaran | but I guess thats the price you pay for what is small production botique parts | May 02 11:25 |
| cubezzz | if you want a SAM board yeah | May 02 11:25 |
| cubezzz | which I don't really | May 02 11:25 |
| cubezzz | what I really want is Linux on 1200 | May 02 11:26 |
| Eruaran | I'll find this guys clip and post it | May 02 11:26 |
| oiaohm | AROS always as the Linux kernel option if required if own kernel cannot work. | May 02 11:27 |
| Eruaran | Its a testimony to the quality of Amiga's that there are still so many working 1200's about | May 02 11:28 |
| oiaohm | They were well built | May 02 11:28 |
| Eruaran | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD76LxjsBIc&feature=related | May 02 11:29 |
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| cubezzz | well there was lots of old stock that didn't sell as well | May 02 11:29 |
| cubezzz | can't remember the original price though | May 02 11:29 |
| Eruaran | Commodore had one of the best platforms ever and they royally stuffed up | May 02 11:30 |
| Eruaran | They just didn't recognize what they had | May 02 11:31 |
| cubezzz | it took me a long time to clue in as well | May 02 11:31 |
| cubezzz | 18 years :-/ | May 02 11:31 |
| Eruaran | yes | May 02 11:31 |
| cubezzz | I don't think many people realized how good it was | May 02 11:31 |
| Eruaran | I guess its easier to have 20-20 vision in hindsight | May 02 11:32 |
| Eruaran | PC's weren't remotely interesting until they basically started replicating Amiga features with dedicated add on cards (ie graphics, music, etc) | May 02 11:33 |
| oiaohm | Most C64 died due to there boards. | May 02 11:33 |
| cubezzz | well I bought an XT :) | May 02 11:33 |
| oiaohm | It all came down to price and flexablity in the end. | May 02 11:33 |
| oiaohm | Apple was way ahead of the pack at a few points but always too expensive. | May 02 11:34 |
| cubezzz | no, I'd say conformity won in the end | May 02 11:34 |
| cubezzz | everyone in lockstep with MS DOS | May 02 11:34 |
| cubezzz | then doze | May 02 11:34 |
| cubezzz | in fact confirmity is still happening today, it might even be worse than ever | May 02 11:35 |
| oiaohm | Its happening in phones. | May 02 11:36 |
| oiaohm | Linux guys are picking there battle grounds. | May 02 11:36 |
| oiaohm | Exactly why do they have to go head to head and win the desktop. | May 02 11:36 |
| oiaohm | More people in time will have phones than anything else. | May 02 11:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] O caderno de encargos para o #Magalhães 2 está aqui http://is.gd/bQRdv e estou a escrever uma análise aqui: http://is.gd/bQRee | May 02 11:37 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Não publiquei isto antes por temer represálias judiciais uma vez que se pagava para obter estes dados e havia dever de sigilo. | May 02 11:37 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Agora que foram anúnciados (sem qualquer surpresa) os vencedores, penso que não faz mal nenhum. | May 02 11:37 | |
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| Eruaran | Microsoft is basically trying a repeat of their per-processor licensing scam of the 90's with "patents" as the excuse to get paid for Android phones. | May 02 11:38 |
| oiaohm | Patents are a short term game. | May 02 11:39 |
| oiaohm | Problem is Linux suporters are playing a long term game. | May 02 11:40 |
| oiaohm | Ie pay enough to keep MS off back for now. When thier patents are expired move on. | May 02 11:40 |
| oiaohm | Yes MS is winning with FAT patents recently is a pain in but. | May 02 11:40 |
| Eruaran | wow AROS has been around for longer than I realised | May 02 11:42 |
| oiaohm | think about all Linux battles for market a weak point gets found and Linux does better. | May 02 11:42 |
| cubezzz | 1995, the beginning of the dark ages | May 02 11:42 |
| Eruaran | The Microsoft-Press has been churning out FUD articles about it | May 02 11:43 |
| Eruaran | And Windows95 really sucked | May 02 11:44 |
| Eruaran | I remember back then when we compared it with OS/2 | May 02 11:45 |
| oiaohm | OS/2 was a very good OS in it day. | May 02 11:45 |
| Eruaran | yes | May 02 11:46 |
| cubezzz | every doze sucked | May 02 11:46 |
| oiaohm | I am meeting more and more Linux users of one form or another. | May 02 11:47 |
| cubezzz | probably Linux will win in the future | May 02 11:47 |
| oiaohm | It use to be impossible to find them at random Locations. | May 02 11:47 |
| oiaohm | Linux still has a list of weaknesses. | May 02 11:47 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, my local computer store even sells Linux cd's | May 02 11:47 |
| oiaohm | Major one being too hard to setup a network users for a non trained admin. | May 02 11:48 |
| Eruaran | hard how? | May 02 11:48 |
| cubezzz | it's not hard :) | May 02 11:49 |
| oiaohm | Think windows machine joining to a network. | May 02 11:49 |
| cubezzz | unless you have unsupported hardware | May 02 11:49 |
| oiaohm | And having network users on them. | May 02 11:49 |
| satipera | can anyone recommend a printer,scanner,copier for a very small business that is cheap to run and plays nicely with linux | May 02 11:49 |
| oiaohm | Then unjoining and then joining another network. | May 02 11:49 |
| Eruaran | satipera: a HP printer | May 02 11:49 |
| oiaohm | I have used all kinds of printers and scanners with Linux. | May 02 11:50 |
| oiaohm | Some of the most fun ones can email scanned images. | May 02 11:50 |
| satipera | Eruaran, reasons please | May 02 11:50 |
| Eruaran | satipera: HP supports FOSS drivers for Linux | May 02 11:51 |
| cubezzz | Epson is easiest nowadays satipera | May 02 11:51 |
| Eruaran | satipera: There's no Linux drivers on the HP site because your distro should already have th em | May 02 11:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Talks running a bit behind on the main stage.. #oggcamp | May 02 11:51 | |
| Eruaran | *them | May 02 11:51 |
| satipera | and assuming linux friendly, good value? | May 02 11:51 |
| Eruaran | HP have a huge range in every price category | May 02 11:52 |
| cubezzz | there are some HP scanners that won't work without a lot of trouble | May 02 11:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Getting email from my Mum from her #mumbuntu machine is so satisfying :) | May 02 11:52 | |
| oiaohm | I really don't lock to any particular brand. | May 02 11:52 |
| Eruaran | I'm not brand loyal, its just about knowing what to expect | May 02 11:52 |
| cubezzz | the Japanese are more Linux friendly in general | May 02 11:52 |
| cubezzz | always check though :) | May 02 11:53 |
| satipera | So the consensus is epson and hp? | May 02 11:53 |
| Eruaran | eg. If someone using Linux wants a wireless PCI card, I give them a Netgear card because it "just works". | May 02 11:53 |
| oiaohm | I normally look up on openprinting and what kind of driver it needs. satipera | May 02 11:53 |
| oiaohm | Then have one that scans and uploads to ftp or emails. | May 02 11:53 |
| cubezzz | research a specific model that works, then buy it | May 02 11:53 |
| oiaohm | So scanning does not need drivers. | May 02 11:53 |
| Eruaran | satipera: these days you can basically pick a printer that suits and quickly Google what people are saying about using it with Linux... You'll find out in minutes. | May 02 11:54 |
| cubezzz | ahem, you might want to read this: | May 02 11:54 |
| cubezzz | http://cubeman.org/hp.txt | May 02 11:54 |
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| satipera | Okay, I will have a look at openprinting and get googling thanks for input | May 02 11:55 |
| oiaohm | Basically there is no brand with perfection with Linux. | May 02 11:55 |
| oiaohm | Some are good with Linux but too expensive to run satipera | May 02 11:55 |
| Eruaran | most distro's have hplip packages included | May 02 11:55 |
| cubezzz | it's the docs that count, and the protocol | May 02 11:55 |
| oiaohm | Others are cheep on price to run but then only some of there models work with Linux. | May 02 11:56 |
| Eruaran | There's no need to make things complicated | May 02 11:56 |
| Eruaran | Most HP printers are fine with Linux | May 02 11:56 |
| Eruaran | just check thats all | May 02 11:56 |
| oiaohm | HP are annonly expensive to run. Eruaran | May 02 11:56 |
| Eruaran | when you say small business | May 02 11:56 |
| Eruaran | what do you mean | May 02 11:56 |
| cubezzz | well you can just run scanner only | May 02 11:56 |
| cubezzz | no ink to worry about :) | May 02 11:57 |
| Eruaran | you want laser or inkjet? | May 02 11:57 |
| oiaohm | Yep I have a HP doing that. | May 02 11:57 |
| satipera | One woman operation, odd letters, and occasional 1000 leaflet marketing | May 02 11:57 |
| cubezzz | printing is passe | May 02 11:57 |
| cubezzz | trees are for cleaning the atmosphere | May 02 11:58 |
| Eruaran | satipera: for small needs just pick whatever inkjet you feel is what you need and then Google to find out what people are saying about runing with Linux | May 02 11:58 |
| cubezzz | newspapers will learn | May 02 11:58 |
| Eruaran | satipera: For heavier printing needs, a laser printer will be cheaper to run | May 02 11:59 |
| satipera | It seems it will be like choosing a tariff on a phone :) | May 02 11:59 |
| oiaohm | Yep worse satipera | May 02 11:59 |
| satipera | Okay, I am off too research thanks all | May 02 12:00 |
| satipera | to | May 02 12:00 |
| cubezzz | lots of Analog Devices chips have NDA's manufacturers have to sign | May 02 12:01 |
| cubezzz | end result is closed source drivers, windows only in some cases | May 02 12:01 |
| cubezzz | believe me, I tried to get the documentation out of them | May 02 12:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] The "public" procurement for laptops for kids in #Portugal which demands #Windows 7, #Intel (in a hidden form) and #OOXML http://is.gd/bQRee | May 02 12:03 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Turns out that Google downloads up to 20,918 pages from Techrights per day (1,648,563 MB); load hog | May 02 12:06 | |
| Eruaran | Basically I don't have time in my job for things that require endless messing around to get things to work | May 02 12:08 |
| Eruaran | That's why when someone wants an Ubuntu system with wireless I put a Netgear wireless card in it: I already know it will simply work without any configuration whatsoever. | May 02 12:09 |
| cubezzz | endless messing around _is_ my job :) | May 02 12:10 |
| Eruaran | I had a customer a few months back who wanted a dual boot system | May 02 12:10 |
| Eruaran | He got Windows XP and Kubuntu | May 02 12:10 |
| Eruaran | It was a revelation for him | May 02 12:10 |
| Eruaran | He got a printer as wel | May 02 12:10 |
| Eruaran | *well | May 02 12:10 |
| Eruaran | We chose all his hardware for him | May 02 12:10 |
| cubezzz | well I have a lot of curiousity, probably too much | May 02 12:11 |
| Eruaran | It was a revelation for him because he found everything worked with Kubuntu. It was Windows he had to stuff about with. | May 02 12:11 |
| Eruaran | He told us that before this he would have assumed there was something wrong with his computer and not thought about the operating system. | May 02 12:12 |
| cubezzz | the hardware and software must work in tandem | May 02 12:12 |
| cubezzz | of course ;) | May 02 12:12 |
| Eruaran | His Netgear wireless worked perfectly with Kubuntu, his HP printer worked perfectly with Kubuntu, and ironically his Microsoft wireless keyboard worked perfectly with Kubuntu. | May 02 12:13 |
| Eruaran | With Windows, he said it took him a half hour to get the printer working, and Windows wouldn't recognize his wireless keyboard and mouse until he used a PS/2 keyboard and mouse to go and download drivers for it. | May 02 12:13 |
| cubezzz | there is no endless, either you get it working or give up :) | May 02 12:14 |
| cubezzz | yeah I don't understand this "windows is easy" talk | May 02 12:14 |
| cubezzz | it's not very good really | May 02 12:14 |
| cubezzz | it's the OEM's that try to make it easy | May 02 12:14 |
| Eruaran | Basically if one job takes up too much of my time it starts costing me money because I'm not getting other work done. | May 02 12:15 |
| cubezzz | well there is a limit, sure | May 02 12:15 |
| cubezzz | usually if I get really stuck, I shelve it for later | May 02 12:15 |
| Eruaran | That's why I'm not going to give a Belkin wirless card to a Linux user. | May 02 12:15 |
| cubezzz | I've used Belkin KVM switchers | May 02 12:16 |
| Eruaran | I don't like Belkin modem/routers/wireless | May 02 12:16 |
| Eruaran | It's kind of "non standard" | May 02 12:16 |
| Eruaran | Or, just different enough to cause problems | May 02 12:17 |
| cubezzz | the whole standards thing is rather iffy though | May 02 12:17 |
| Eruaran | I've generally used Aten KVM's | May 02 12:17 |
| cubezzz | there is the standard in theory... then the standard in reality | May 02 12:17 |
| cubezzz | was SCSI a standard? yes... but there's a dozen favours of SCSI | May 02 12:19 |
| cubezzz | is windows a standard? think about it... | May 02 12:20 |
| cubezzz | each iteration runs slower | May 02 12:20 |
| cubezzz | but that's the way it goes | May 02 12:20 |
| cubezzz | standards are a moving target, unless you somehow freeze your hardware | May 02 12:21 |
| cubezzz | are scanners standard? lol | May 02 12:22 |
| Eruaran | Lets put it this way | May 02 12:23 |
| Eruaran | I understand what you're saying | May 02 12:23 |
| Eruaran | If something works I'll use it | May 02 12:23 |
| Eruaran | If something gives me any trouble, or I'm aware of issues with something, I wont use it | May 02 12:23 |
| Eruaran | I don't have time | May 02 12:23 |
| Eruaran | Here's an example | May 02 12:24 |
| Eruaran | Sold a PC to a customer once who came back some time later to comaplain it was faulty | May 02 12:24 |
| Eruaran | they claimed the network port was faulty | May 02 12:24 |
| Eruaran | With the customer in the store I connected their system to our network and it worked perfectly | May 02 12:24 |
| Eruaran | There was nothing wrong with their system | May 02 12:25 |
| Eruaran | This was a very annoying customer | May 02 12:25 |
| Eruaran | Even after their system had been demonstrated to them working just fine | May 02 12:25 |
| Eruaran | like this | May 02 12:25 |
| Eruaran | me: "you can see its connected yes? you've got Google, and YouTube etc yes?" | May 02 12:26 |
| Eruaran | customer: "yes" | May 02 12:26 |
| Eruaran | me: "that means its working" | May 02 12:26 |
| Eruaran | me: "there's nothing wrong with your computer" | May 02 12:26 |
| Eruaran | customer: "YOURE LEAVING US HIGH AND DRY IT DOESNT WORK WITH OUR MODEM AT HOME" | May 02 12:27 |
| Eruaran | here's the backstory | May 02 12:27 |
| Eruaran | They had a dodgy friend who sold them a dodgy Belkin modem | May 02 12:27 |
| Eruaran | That simply wont work with everyone's hardware | May 02 12:28 |
| Eruaran | Its not our responsibility | May 02 12:28 |
| cubezzz | ok, when you connected it was it by broadband or modem? | May 02 12:28 |
| cubezzz | ah I see | May 02 12:28 |
| Eruaran | It didn't matter what we connected it to | May 02 12:28 |
| Eruaran | The Belkin modem was the problem | May 02 12:28 |
| Eruaran | But they continued to listen to their "friend" who they bought the Belkin modem from | May 02 12:29 |
| Eruaran | In the end I said look I've had enough | May 02 12:29 |
| oiaohm | Linux is doing lots of work to speed it up. | May 02 12:29 |
| Eruaran | I put a network card in their computer and made it clear to them that they now had two perfectly working ethernet ports | May 02 12:29 |
| Eruaran | told them to go away and not bother me again, and stop listening to your dodgey friend who sells you crap | May 02 12:30 |
| cubezzz | heh | May 02 12:30 |
| oiaohm | Is that the one with the firmware issue or the power/heat issue. Eruaran | May 02 12:31 |
| Eruaran | I made it clear that if they continued to complain they could take me to court and they would lose because I had already done more than I'm obligated to and there is no fault with their computer | May 02 12:31 |
| oiaohm | The firmware one can be fixed up into quite a good modem after a full thrid party firmware flash. | May 02 12:31 |
| Eruaran | firmware | May 02 12:31 |
| Eruaran | They weren't going to bring their modem in though as I said I would charge them | May 02 12:32 |
| Eruaran | I'm not fixing their stuff that they bought off their dodgy mate for free | May 02 12:32 |
| oiaohm | The one with the power issue is hell on a vpn link. | May 02 12:32 |
| Eruaran | Some people think a hardware warranty is a blank cheque which they can write a list of demands upon | May 02 12:33 |
| cubezzz | a difficult situation | May 02 12:33 |
| Eruaran | I had a guy last year who wanted a new system with Windows 7 RC installed about 6 months before any official Windows 7 release | May 02 12:34 |
| oiaohm | I hate the hardware warrenty bit. | May 02 12:34 |
| oiaohm | Main reason why I work mostly as a network tech. | May 02 12:34 |
| Eruaran | I told him we would sell him the hardware but he'd have to install Win7 as its basically beta software and his own responsiblility | May 02 12:34 |
| oiaohm | The hard bit is when I need light servers. | May 02 12:35 |
| oiaohm | I walk into places and tell them I want windows stripped of particular hardware. | May 02 12:35 |
| Eruaran | He was so insistant I eventually said we'll install it but made it clear that its something he uses at his own risk - I even put it on his invoice that its beta software at his request FOR TESTING PURPOSES ONLY | May 02 12:35 |
| oiaohm | Because I am never going to use a desktop OS on the machine. | May 02 12:35 |
| Eruaran | This was the one and only time we did this | May 02 12:35 |
| cubezzz | if you don't want to do then don't do it | May 02 12:35 |
| cubezzz | he can't force you | May 02 12:36 |
| Eruaran | Here's where things get interesting | May 02 12:36 |
| oiaohm | Few places have tried to refuse to remove windows for me. | May 02 12:36 |
| Eruaran | He had a graphics card issue early on | May 02 12:36 |
| oiaohm | Or charge me for it. | May 02 12:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why is it that these former Microsoft employees try to stir up trouble in Debian/Ubuntu? http://ur1.ca/yemr (not the first such example) | May 02 12:36 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The Slough of Unsatisfied Ubuntu Users « keithcu.com .::. Size~: 31.6 KB | May 02 12:36 |
| Eruaran | it was an Asus graphics card and it was replaced under warranty very quickly | May 02 12:36 |
| Eruaran | then he had more problems | May 02 12:36 |
| Eruaran | But this was software not hardware | May 02 12:36 |
| oiaohm | Windows 7 still has some nasty big bugs. | May 02 12:37 |
| Eruaran | He insisted we fix his problems and not charge because it was under warranty | May 02 12:37 |
| Eruaran | to cut a long story short | May 02 12:37 |
| cubezzz | lol, the doze bugs never stop | May 02 12:37 |
| Eruaran | Eventually this guy brought all his hardware back demanding a refund | May 02 12:37 |
| Eruaran | I got very angry | May 02 12:37 |
| Eruaran | And told him he was an idiot | May 02 12:37 |
| oiaohm | Enabling users to change .lnk files assocation. | May 02 12:37 |
| cubezzz | ah, the life of a computer person :) | May 02 12:37 |
| Eruaran | I told him he didn't pay for Windows and the warnings are on his invoice and on his desktop every time he boots up | May 02 12:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "an amoral, liberal paganism has become the ruling ideology." http://www.conservapedia.com/1984 lolwut. | May 02 12:38 | |
| oiaohm | Do you point out that Linux worked on it fine and he did not buy the hardware with a OS. | May 02 12:38 |
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| Eruaran | (that little RC message in the bottom right hand corner of the Windows 7 RC desktop) | May 02 12:38 |
| oiaohm | Normally I ship those out with a OS. Eruaran | May 02 12:38 |
| Eruaran | Oh I did better | May 02 12:38 |
| oiaohm | Ie debain installed for testing reasons. | May 02 12:38 |
| Eruaran | I made it clear that his system works fine with Windows XP and Linux | May 02 12:38 |
| cubezzz | no, I'll warranty Linux installs | May 02 12:38 |
| cubezzz | no problem | May 02 12:39 |
| Eruaran | He couldt play games | May 02 12:39 |
| cubezzz | hardware is hardware | May 02 12:39 |
| oiaohm | And under returns policy machine has to be returned in condition it was given Eruaran | May 02 12:39 |
| Eruaran | Windows 7 RC didn't properly support DirectX older than 11 | May 02 12:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] (Not the first such example by the way) Leaving Microsoft Corp, joining Ubuntu and already giving commands in support of Mono and stuff.... | May 02 12:39 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why is it that these former Microsoft employees try to stir up trouble in #Debian / #Ubuntu ? http://keithcu.com/wordpress/?p=866 | May 02 12:39 | |
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| oiaohm | Ie Linux back installed by them. | May 02 12:39 |
| Eruaran | His problem was the version of Windows he was using | May 02 12:39 |
| oiaohm | Yes BOFH solution to the refund problem. | May 02 12:39 |
| cubezzz | if hardware fails, it fails under any OS | May 02 12:39 |
| Eruaran | EVERY time I gave him advice he scoffed at it | May 02 12:39 |
| Eruaran | I told him to use Windows XP or Linux | May 02 12:40 |
| oiaohm | Not always. | May 02 12:40 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: Linux running on ecc ram with auto detection of bad blocks. | May 02 12:40 |
| oiaohm | And lock out. | May 02 12:40 |
| Eruaran | It got to the point where I said, "what... you want us to fix Microsoft's software for them?" | May 02 12:40 |
| oiaohm | It will be running long after XP and Windows 7 left the building. | May 02 12:40 |
| Eruaran | "we can't do that... call Microsoft" | May 02 12:40 |
| cubezzz | well that's just another reason to use Linux oiaohm | May 02 12:40 |
| Eruaran | He said he'd take legal action, I told him to go ahead | May 02 12:41 |
| cubezzz | but generally if it dies, it's dead :) | May 02 12:41 |
| Eruaran | He tried | May 02 12:41 |
| oiaohm | Remember I run servers. cubezzz | May 02 12:41 |
| Eruaran | He failed | May 02 12:41 |
| oiaohm | I have some tough beasts. | May 02 12:41 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, which would you rather support? windows or Linux? :) | May 02 12:41 |
| oiaohm | That have been upto 50 percent hardware dead and still going. Some how. | May 02 12:41 |
| oiaohm | Linux for servers. | May 02 12:41 |
| Eruaran | As soon as it was found that the hardware had been certified independently as 100% fine and that the customer was warned on his invoice that his OS was beta and for testing only the judge told him to GET LOST | May 02 12:42 |
| oiaohm | Desktop really XP was OK. Linux still need more time fixing up some niceness issues. | May 02 12:42 |
| oiaohm | So general users don't go what the hell command line. | May 02 12:42 |
| oiaohm | Ie only reason why XP wins by any ammout is the issue of trying to make a novice use command line at times. | May 02 12:42 |
| oiaohm | 7 is just pure evil on a novice. | May 02 12:43 |
| oiaohm | Too many ways for the novice to blow their left and right feet of past repair. | May 02 12:43 |
| oiaohm | of novice skills. | May 02 12:43 |
| cubezzz | I tell everyone not to bother | May 02 12:45 |
| cubezzz | about 50% listen to me | May 02 12:45 |
| cubezzz | I did some amiga installs but it was long ago | May 02 12:46 |
| oiaohm | I have to build another vpn for a business soon. | May 02 12:46 |
| oiaohm | They are shocked at how stable my vpns are. | May 02 12:46 |
| oiaohm | They are only bits of crap desktop machines reformed. | May 02 12:47 |
| oiaohm | Lot are shocked how I just pull the server harddrive out of one machine drop in another and have it on line in mins. | May 02 12:49 |
| oiaohm | That is the big advantage Linux has for servers. No activation crap to get in way when a server has died. | May 02 12:50 |
| Eruaran | proprietary licensing is a very big issue | May 02 12:50 |
| cubezzz | everyone needs to really give the finger to MIcrosoft | May 02 12:51 |
| Eruaran | people dont care about it until their software stops working because its defective by design and they get stung for lincense fees | May 02 12:51 |
| oiaohm | proprietary licensing is one thing. Its another that you cannot rip the harddrive out of a machine and just drop it in aother. | May 02 12:51 |
| oiaohm | Ok if the OS had to be reactivated or somethign I would not care in the case of dead server. | May 02 12:52 |
| oiaohm | The case that the thing will not even run is a major problem. | May 02 12:52 |
| oiaohm | Ie run and allow system back up for recovery and the like is not going really disrupt licensing. | May 02 12:53 |
| Eruaran | yeah I'm really talking bout issues I've had to deal with | May 02 12:53 |
| cubezzz | it's extremely foolish to depend on microsoft for anything | May 02 12:53 |
| Eruaran | I don't recommend Microsoft to anyone | May 02 12:54 |
| Eruaran | These are customers who already had a Windows server before they came to us | May 02 12:54 |
| cubezzz | Amiga could have been the best you know | May 02 12:54 |
| cubezzz | hell, I even turn down windows jobs | May 02 12:54 |
| cubezzz | I'm busy enough | May 02 12:55 |
| Eruaran | Did you know that when the Amiga was originally up for grabs, Steve Jobs looked at it? | May 02 12:55 |
| cubezzz | yep | May 02 12:56 |
| Eruaran | this was before Commodore bought it | May 02 12:56 |
| cubezzz | I knew :) | May 02 12:56 |
| cubezzz | "your computer has too much hardware" | May 02 12:56 |
| Eruaran | heh | May 02 12:56 |
| Eruaran | "too expensive" | May 02 12:56 |
| Eruaran | When Commodore released the Amiga onto the market people at Apple freaked out | May 02 12:57 |
| Eruaran | They thought they were finished | May 02 12:57 |
| cubezzz | of course Commodore botched it up | May 02 12:57 |
| Eruaran | yes | May 02 12:57 |
| cubezzz | well, maybe X1000 will kick ass :) | May 02 12:57 |
| Eruaran | that would be nice | May 02 12:58 |
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| Eruaran | Problem is | May 02 12:58 |
| Eruaran | Lets say I had an X1000 | May 02 12:59 |
| Eruaran | And put it on display | May 02 12:59 |
| Eruaran | Really impressive | May 02 12:59 |
| Eruaran | Inevitably you will get someone who says, "can I run Windows on it?" | May 02 12:59 |
| Eruaran | :@ | May 02 12:59 |
| cubezzz | we just shoot those people | May 02 13:00 |
| Eruaran | haha | May 02 13:00 |
| Eruaran | the general public really is quite ignorant | May 02 13:00 |
| Eruaran | alot of people assume a PC can't work if it doesn't have Windows | May 02 13:00 |
| Eruaran | you can show them a PC saying, "this doesn't have Windows on it, it has Ubuntu" | May 02 13:01 |
| cubezzz | well what about the prewindows computers? duh! | May 02 13:01 |
| Eruaran | they just look at you as if you're speaking a foreign language | May 02 13:01 |
| cubezzz | BeBOX, Amigas, RS/6000's, Suns, zaurus, etc, etc | May 02 13:01 |
| Eruaran | yes | May 02 13:02 |
| Eruaran | this is the damage Microsoft has done | May 02 13:02 |
| Eruaran | people are dumber than ever | May 02 13:02 |
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| Eruaran | You can tell a lot of people, "your PC can run other operating systems and be perfectly productive and useful without Windows" | May 02 13:02 |
| Eruaran | And they just go, "eh?" | May 02 13:03 |
| Eruaran | It doesn't even have to be hard at all... some poeple are just stupid as | May 02 13:03 |
| Eruaran | I had a woman once who got Kubuntu... her kids handled it better than she did | May 02 13:04 |
| cubezzz | anyone remember which controller did high density 68-pin female SCSI external? :) | May 02 13:04 |
| Eruaran | She came in saying she hasn't been able to type a document in three months, "I want to buy Windows and Microsoft Office" | May 02 13:04 |
| Eruaran | I was like... "err, your computer has OpenOffice on it" | May 02 13:04 |
| cubezzz | well why did she get Kubuntu then? | May 02 13:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Big furry pig is trying to steal kitten food. I love my dog, but he's not getting away with this. | May 02 13:05 | |
| Eruaran | She saw it on demo in the store | May 02 13:05 |
| Eruaran | She asked what it was and said, "can i have that?" | May 02 13:05 |
| cubezzz | well that's clear enough :) | May 02 13:05 |
| Eruaran | At the time, not realizing how dumb she was, I said, "sure" | May 02 13:06 |
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| Eruaran | I can't believe someone who for three months can't find 30 seconds to poke about in the kickoff menu to find OpenOffice Writer | May 02 13:07 |
| cubezzz | ADAPTEC ULTRA WIDE SCSI maybe? | May 02 13:07 |
| Eruaran | i dunno | May 02 13:07 |
| Eruaran | I havent done anything SCSI for years | May 02 13:08 |
| cubezzz | I had a ST157N for my Amiga :) | May 02 13:08 |
| Eruaran | Anticipating stupidity, if someone wants Kubuntu I now make a folderview with shortcuts to "featured applications" | May 02 13:09 |
| Eruaran | So OPENOFFICE is right in peoples faces | May 02 13:09 |
| Eruaran | But... there's no helping some people | May 02 13:09 |
| Eruaran | I had a guy once who rang once accusing us of deleting all his data instead of backing it up | May 02 13:09 |
| Eruaran | I said that usually our technicians put a shortcut on your desktop called "Data Backup" | May 02 13:10 |
| cubezzz | you get some crazy customers dude :) | May 02 13:10 |
| Eruaran | Sure enough, when he brought his computer in there is was right there on his desktop | May 02 13:10 |
| Eruaran | He always complained saying I have to explain everything to him cause hes not very computer literate | May 02 13:10 |
| Eruaran | I told him this had nothing to do with computer literacy | May 02 13:11 |
| Eruaran | It had to do with needing to see an eye doctor | May 02 13:11 |
| Eruaran | Some people, you don't just have to explain to them what a "web browser" is, you have to explain to them what "the desktop" is | May 02 13:11 |
| Eruaran | If you tell them to find the Firefox icon on their desktop they will not look at the computer screen, they will look at the desk | May 02 13:12 |
| Eruaran | I'm not kidding | May 02 13:12 |
| cubezzz | man, it's like people are getting dumber and dumber every year! :) | May 02 13:12 |
| Eruaran | The same guy would complain he's not up with all the new technology and terminology | May 02 13:12 |
| cubezzz | it's like that Hagar the Horrible comic strip | May 02 13:13 |
| Eruaran | I was like, "the term DESKTOP for your graphic environment on your computer screen has been in use since you were in high school" | May 02 13:13 |
| cubezzz | Hagar asks everyone to raise your hand if you don't know your left from your right | May 02 13:13 |
| cubezzz | one guy in the back raises his foot :) | May 02 13:13 |
| Eruaran | cause the guy is like in his 40s | May 02 13:13 |
| Eruaran | hehe | May 02 13:13 |
| Eruaran | Someone said to me once that people over 30 have an excuse for not knowing anything about computers | May 02 13:14 |
| Eruaran | I said thats BS | May 02 13:14 |
| Eruaran | He was a teenager | May 02 13:14 |
| cubezzz | that is BS | May 02 13:14 |
| Eruaran | I told him I'm 38 and I've been using the internet for longer than you've been alive... People my age have NO EXCUSE | May 02 13:14 |
| cubezzz | I'd love to hear the reasoning behind that | May 02 13:14 |
| Eruaran | he was like, "oh!" | May 02 13:15 |
| Eruaran | :p | May 02 13:15 |
| cubezzz | it's the young people who don't know anything (with some exceptions) | May 02 13:15 |
| cubezzz | experience counts | May 02 13:15 |
| Eruaran | They were born in s Windows world | May 02 13:15 |
| Eruaran | tragic | May 02 13:15 |
| cubezzz | a lot of the older ones are windows only too | May 02 13:16 |
| cubezzz | people who first used a computer in their 60's or older | May 02 13:16 |
| cubezzz | then you have the backsliders | May 02 13:16 |
| Eruaran | I showed a friend who is 27 a clip on youtube of an Amiga doing realtime multitasking in the early 90's... mutiple desktops, file compression, games, internet, etc all going at once with no slow down | May 02 13:16 |
| cubezzz | people who should know better but just use windows anyway | May 02 13:16 |
| Eruaran | He was like, "when was this?.... GET OUTTA HERE!" | May 02 13:17 |
| cubezzz | that might have been the high water mark for computers though | May 02 13:17 |
| Eruaran | He didn't know anything about Amigas and had never seen anything like that | May 02 13:17 |
| Eruaran | funny part was | May 02 13:17 |
| Eruaran | the first thing he said after the initial shock was, "Microsoft suck" | May 02 13:18 |
| cubezzz | they always did though | May 02 13:18 |
| Eruaran | yes | May 02 13:18 |
| cubezzz | it's not some new relevation :) | May 02 13:18 |
| Eruaran | It is for a lot of people though | May 02 13:18 |
| Eruaran | they just dont know | May 02 13:18 |
| cubezzz | now not knowing Amiga, that I can understand | May 02 13:19 |
| cubezzz | I let that slip by myself... | May 02 13:19 |
| cubezzz | even though I was an Amiga user | May 02 13:19 |
| oiaohm | Part of the issue is we are stuck with a system design that suxs. | May 02 13:19 |
| Eruaran | yes | May 02 13:20 |
| oiaohm | Amiga design was far more effective at getting 100 percent usage. | May 02 13:20 |
| cubezzz | we aren't stuck | May 02 13:20 |
| cubezzz | I'm not stuck, that's for sure :) | May 02 13:20 |
| oiaohm | You are. | May 02 13:20 |
| cubezzz | I'm gettin' ma 1200 | May 02 13:20 |
| oiaohm | There is no hardware today designed as well as the amiga was. Same design today would be super effective. | May 02 13:21 |
| cubezzz | well we will see this year | May 02 13:21 |
| oiaohm | The effectiveness of off loading to decated tasks. | May 02 13:21 |
| oiaohm | The new design is flawed compared to the old one. cubezzz | May 02 13:21 |
| cubezzz | no reason in the world I have to use new hardware | May 02 13:22 |
| cubezzz | in fact, I bet I already use the oldest hardware out of all of you | May 02 13:22 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100428/1153439220.shtml | May 02 13:24 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_the_mad_hatter is that his name, "Big furry pig"? | May 02 13:24 | |
| cubezzz | I mean I don't use new hardware anyway :) | May 02 13:24 |
| cubezzz | so what difference does it make? | May 02 13:24 |
| cubezzz | ok, the Amiga 1200 was $599 when it first launched in 1992 | May 02 13:25 |
| cubezzz | could you afford that Eruaran? :) | May 02 13:25 |
| cubezzz | and now you can get it for about $278 shipped | May 02 13:25 |
| oiaohm | Different is parts to keep it going cubezzz | May 02 13:26 |
| cubezzz | you can get parts,I've checked this already | May 02 13:26 |
| cubezzz | there's lots of NOS | May 02 13:26 |
| oiaohm | Around here Amiga's due to how rare they are. Are not cheep. | May 02 13:26 |
| cubezzz | http://amigakit.com has the parts | May 02 13:27 |
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| oiaohm | Ie Australia did not get many in the first place. | May 02 13:27 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, I've got a 1998 computer has my server :) | May 02 13:27 |
| oiaohm | Come on. My oldest server is a 1996 model. | May 02 13:28 |
| oiaohm | Ok its only doing firewalling. | May 02 13:28 |
| Eruaran | cubezzz: I didn't at the time... And back then my only interest in computers was learning about office software so I could get a job :p | May 02 13:28 |
| oiaohm | It has not died yet. | May 02 13:28 |
| cubezzz | how many Power supplies have you gone through? | May 02 13:28 |
| oiaohm | I have suggest a few times that the customer should replace it but they are faithful to it. | May 02 13:28 |
| oiaohm | None cubezzz | May 02 13:28 |
| oiaohm | Its a old style transformer powersupply. | May 02 13:29 |
| oiaohm | Tough bastard. | May 02 13:29 |
| cubezzz | what is it, a Sun? | May 02 13:29 |
| oiaohm | No its a old i386 or something | May 02 13:29 |
| oiaohm | Custom built job from highly dependable parts at the time. | May 02 13:29 |
| cubezzz | I can't even remember the old style in a PC | May 02 13:30 |
| oiaohm | Only things it had was new fans. | May 02 13:30 |
| cubezzz | my Joust had an old style PS but that's 1983 | May 02 13:30 |
| oiaohm | I am shocked that the harddrives are still going. | May 02 13:30 |
| Eruaran | Why is it that everyone using an Amiga or AROS on YouTube is British? | May 02 13:30 |
| Eruaran | :p | May 02 13:30 |
| cubezzz | haha | May 02 13:30 |
| oiaohm | Yes it still has it first harddrive. | May 02 13:30 |
| cubezzz | because the UK guys are smart :) | May 02 13:30 |
| Eruaran | heh | May 02 13:30 |
| cubezzz | North America is dozerland | May 02 13:31 |
| oiaohm | Basically I have a server that seams to have magic to keep on running. | May 02 13:31 |
| oiaohm | Its even lived threw one lighting strike on the building. | May 02 13:31 |
| cubezzz | better parts I suppose | May 02 13:31 |
| oiaohm | It was they only machine still going. | May 02 13:31 |
| oiaohm | after it. | May 02 13:31 |
| oiaohm | Yes the insurance company could not believe it. | May 02 13:32 |
| cubezzz | I think the stuff now is designed to fail | May 02 13:32 |
| Eruaran | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vznyWYoy2e4 | May 02 13:32 |
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| cubezzz | back in 1/2 hour | May 02 13:32 |
| Ender2070 | cubezzz - you mean AT style? | May 02 13:33 |
| oiaohm | Not all stuff today is designed to fail. | May 02 13:34 |
| Ender2070 | its not designed to fail but thats what occurs when its mass produced in china | May 02 13:35 |
| oiaohm | Define mass production. | May 02 13:45 |
| oiaohm | If you mean slave production work then yes. | May 02 13:45 |
| oiaohm | The old idea of mass production was to reduce numbers of humans and replace them with machines. | May 02 13:46 |
| oiaohm | China idea lot of times is the mirror. Place machines with humans. | May 02 13:46 |
| oiaohm | Place/replace | May 02 13:46 |
| Ender2070 | maybe thats why its lower quality | May 02 13:46 |
| Ender2070 | slave labour produces shit work | May 02 13:47 |
| oiaohm | Humans make more errors than machines. | May 02 13:47 |
| oiaohm | Would not make a difference if they were slaves or not. | May 02 13:47 |
| Ender2070 | humans also don't care about the output either | May 02 13:48 |
| oiaohm | Yep they get paid crap either way. | May 02 13:48 |
| Ender2070 | yup | May 02 13:48 |
| oiaohm | I don't call what china doing mass production because it counter to everything you should be doing for good mass production. | May 02 13:48 |
| Ender2070 | but they work for less than a machine in china | May 02 13:48 |
| Ender2070 | so its cheaper still | May 02 13:48 |
| Ender2070 | most electronic products are made in china | May 02 13:49 |
| Ender2070 | even other stuff, i remember the dog food poisoning issue years ago | May 02 13:49 |
| oiaohm | Even such things as fake eggs. | May 02 13:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @andersongouveia: Em breve estará pronto o meu Livro de Asterisk e VoIP, espero ter muito êxito. Agradeço desde ja o apoio de todos. | May 02 13:58 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Freda has her new purple wellies on and is gleefully splish-splashing outside in the light rain | May 02 14:11 | |
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| cubezzz | http://www.amiga-desire.de/ | May 02 14:53 |
| schestowitz | Just casing | May 02 14:55 |
| schestowitz | That's a very odd front page for a Web site | May 02 14:56 |
| schestowitz | AMIGA 1200 [pic] [pic] [pic] DONE. send me mail....... | May 02 14:56 |
| cubezzz | heh | May 02 14:57 |
| cubezzz | it looks cool though | May 02 14:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Ubuntu Release party cake at IITDelhi - http://bit.ly/aqOZ2c | May 02 15:01 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @omgafrica ..say a big thanks to @satipera for sending out FREE Ubuntu CDs to 2 people from India and Nigeria. Way to go omgafrica. Woot! | May 02 15:17 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Why can't you use a $12k video camera for anything even slightly commercial? Cos it's got H.264 in it! http://is.gd/bR2gp | May 02 15:18 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/27/burma-election-junta-civilians | May 02 15:31 |
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| Ender2070 | lol | May 02 15:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Here's The First Screenshot Of The Linux Steam Client http://is.gd/bR4KD | May 02 16:03 | |
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| schestowitz | \0/ | May 02 16:19 |
| schestowitz | bbl | May 02 16:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] I am finally here. What a long weekend of travel, left my house at 1pm on Sat and arrived at 5.10pm on the Sunday! | May 02 16:34 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @monkeysailor: @jonobacon Please RT for charity: Enter the Great Big Small Charity Car Draw and raise money for ACT www.act.org.uk/cardraw | May 02 16:34 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] First come up with good movies! RT: @sunil_abraham: Sajid Khan to use anti-piracy sw to track down film pirates http://bit.ly/9q19la | May 02 17:02 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Bolivia nationalises energy firms http://is.gd/bR8i0 | May 02 17:06 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Do início ao fim, apenas o que disse Mariano Gago que enfureceu os lobbies das editoras: http://is.gd/bR8gs Quem interpretou mal o quê? | May 02 17:06 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @PartidoPirataPT: I uploaded a YouTube video -- Declarações de Mariano Gago sobre a Pirataria http://youtu.be/VQ3RCIH6EE8?a | May 02 17:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @satipera Well, perhaps it's not a true quote, but I decided to tweet it because I liked its rhythm. | May 02 17:16 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @satipera Plus, even if it wasn't true, its evil implications are evidently more than true. | May 02 17:17 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @Omar_S_Hafez: Okay, thanks Omar. | May 02 17:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @satipera Anytime. But still, although I haven't found an authentic source for it, I still there's a good possibility that one exists. | May 02 17:22 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Use #Linux, dump MS and everything else will be just fine. :-) @AhmadFayez | May 02 17:28 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] His name is #Federer. :-) @azizever | May 02 17:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Off to the mosque for Maghrib(Sunset) prayer. | May 02 17:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] I have been playing too many video games, looking for a libretto I ended search term with "walk through" :) | May 02 18:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Diligently set up restore points when upgrading Windows 7? Sucks to be you: http://is.gd/bRdlx | May 02 18:42 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Microsoft will perish, because it's an evil company. And evil won't live forever. @AhmadFayez | May 02 18:45 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Visit this decent website and learn the truth, instead of listening to those stupid Most Valuable Hypocrites. www.techrights.org @AhmadFayez | May 02 18:48 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] "They'll get sort of [addicted], then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade." ~@BillGates, @AhmadFayez | May 02 18:50 | |
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| schestowitz | I've finally found the origin of the meter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQPQ_q59xyw it's based on the latitude of planet Earth | May 02 19:21 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCxDEB2t5Hc&feature=related | May 02 19:23 |
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| MinceR | geekings | May 02 19:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RQT6qkRjPA | May 02 19:30 |
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| schestowitz | US the only country still not in kmetric | May 02 19:30 |
| schestowitz | *metric (unless you work in science) | May 02 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Why didn't Calvin catch on? | May 02 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Fahrenheit is another example | May 02 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Gotta be different, eh? Well, here we drive on the 'wrong' side of the road | May 02 19:32 |
| MinceR | it's Kelvin, not Calvin :> | May 02 19:32 |
| MinceR | but i suspect you meant Celsius | May 02 19:32 |
| MinceR | (though some call it centigrade, iirc) | May 02 19:32 |
| satipera | 2 others not metric | May 02 19:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ScrtAvngrs 1-4@brubaker/@mikedeodato http://twitpic.com/1kdh16 http://twitpic.com/1kdhcq http://twitpic.com/1kdhlh http://twitpic.com/1kdi33 | May 02 19:35 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, I meant Kelvin | May 02 19:40 |
| schestowitz | it's used in chemistry a lot, to easily measure things | May 02 19:40 |
| schestowitz | joules too... now HP or watts | May 02 19:41 |
| schestowitz | *not | May 02 19:41 |
| schestowitz | We shouldn't have to learn so many measures | May 02 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Like the guy in the video says, it's not like learning another languages when nobody else speaks that language anyway | May 02 19:41 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Feeling jealous of all those who made it to oggCamp 2010. Maybe next year I'll be able to join you! | May 02 19:42 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka8_korpv0Q | May 02 19:46 |
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| schestowitz | Oggcamp sounds like a codename for Gitmo | May 02 19:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "When blowflies fight over a pile of elephant shit, their pecking order is a more elegant protocol than ICCCM." http://is.gd/bRhd8 | May 02 19:53 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] I hope I can upgrade my laptop from #fedora 12 to F13 as smoothly as the upgrade from #ubuntu #karmic to #lucid was on my media center. | May 02 20:01 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] How did this crap get back in? To recover some #swpat lucidity in #ubuntu #lucid: sudo apt-get remove `dpkg -l | awk '/mono/ { print $2 }' ` | May 02 20:07 | |
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| schestowitz | Daily links posted; http://techrights.org/2010/05/02/playonlinux-3-7-5-and-kdevelop-4-0/ | May 02 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | More to come soon | May 02 20:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @ruiseabra To recover some #swpat lucidity in #ubuntu #lucid: sudo apt-get remove `dpkg -l | awk '/mono/ { print $2 }' ` | May 02 20:40 | |
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| MinceR | http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3352/320x.jpg | May 02 21:00 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Feeling jealous of all those who made it to !oggcamp. Maybe next year I'll be able to join you! | May 02 21:02 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Playing with gnokii ;-) | May 02 21:07 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Yay. Home from a great weekend in Liverpool at #oggcamp. #fb | May 02 21:12 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Remember today.com, the blog network? They've sold the domain name to MSN. http://NewsTechnica.com triumphs!! | May 02 21:16 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/30779825 "♻ @schestowitz (Not the first such ex btw) Leaving MS Corp, joining Ubuntu and already giving commands in support of Mono and stuff...." | May 02 21:35 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: the baby's face looks unusually mature | May 02 21:35 |
| MinceR | perhaps it depends on the company | May 02 21:36 |
| MinceR | contrast :> | May 02 21:36 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: this reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OhVS3lQbjA | May 02 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | Comedy from Current | May 02 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Good channel | May 02 21:38 |
| schestowitz | But this one is kind of gay | May 02 21:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/user/EdwardCurrent | May 02 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | JREF is decent. http://www.youtube.com/user/JamesRandiFoundation | May 02 21:39 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] In today's household success, we have cleared enough space for Freda's bed. She is *thrilled* :-D | May 02 21:56 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I had not realised tomorrow was a bank holiday. It's like I got it for free. | May 02 21:56 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] I wished I could test in a VM, but KVM gives me an instant reboot after a few seconds of launching a machine under #fedora 12 :( no dbg msgs | May 02 21:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Arctic Map shows dispute hotspots http://is.gd/bRofZ | May 02 22:20 | |
| schestowitz | Here is a fork of mono http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36229547/ns/health-sexual_health/ | May 02 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | This one is immune to mono-nono vaccine | May 02 22:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/29/boy-scouts-sexual-abuse-dykes | May 02 22:24 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Sexual abuse scandal rocks Boy Scouts of America after $18.5m payout |World news |The Guardian .::. Size~: 69.74 KB | May 02 22:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] newstechnica.com search engines: 57% Google Images, 38% Google, 2.3% Yahoo, 1.1% Bing. I obviously need to get higher in Cuil. | May 02 22:41 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] It looks like it's time to start voting on #Inkscape http://inkscapers.deviantart.com/blog/31687017/ | May 02 22:44 | |
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| schestowitz | http://becausefreedommatters.blogspot.com/2010/04/real-and-unusual-story-between.html I see that techrights readers participate in omar's blog now which is good | May 02 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | " Actually from what I can see Microsoft is in deep trouble, much like GM was 7-8 years ago where the public face looked fine, but internally the rot would force the company to file for bankruptcy protection. The OEMS are playing with options. None of them love Microsoft, and with so much computing being online, it's easier to sell people on switching." | May 02 22:44 |
| schestowitz | What is this about: http://www.microsoft.com/education/competencies/humor.mspx | May 02 23:09 |
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| MinceR | asserting that m$ has competencies at education is clearly humor | May 02 23:10 |
| MinceR | (unless we equate brainwashing to education, of course) | May 02 23:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW: I SHALL FUCKING TRIUMPH AND FUCK YOU. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/34440.html | May 02 23:21 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: reddragdiva | I SHALL FUCKING TRIUMPH AND FUCK YOU. .::. Size~: 29.19 KB | May 02 23:21 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they do that. http://techrights.org/2008/05/29/kids-brainwish/ | May 02 23:22 |
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| MinceR | i know | May 02 23:23 |
| MinceR | gn | May 02 23:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Arise, Sir Georg! Georg Greve knighted by Germany. http://blogs.fsfe.org/greve/?p=403 | May 02 23:30 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: freedom bits » All boys dream of being knights, dont they? .::. Size~: 67.71 KB | May 02 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmm... mess. http://blogs.pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/tux-love/2010/05/hidden_linux_nightmare_on_kubu.html | May 02 23:36 |
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| schestowitz | Ignorasma. http://totalplaystation.com/ps3/news/8810/ | May 02 23:51 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/blog-post/1603817/sony-sued-banning-linux | May 02 23:54 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] How the US government works. http://i.imgur.com/o8jCW.png | May 02 23:57 | |
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