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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Lubuntu 10.04 is Out http://lubuntu.net/blog/lubuntu-1004-now-available-download #ubuntu #lxdeMay 05 00:00
TechrightsBotTitle: Lubuntu 10.04 is now available for download | lubuntu .::. Size~: 50.16 KBMay 05 00:00
sebsebsebschestowitz: that's old news about LubuntuMay 05 00:01
schestowitzsebsebseb: only /days/ oldMay 05 00:01
sebsebsebyepMay 05 00:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora 14 is About to Get a Name http://ur1.ca/yw1s http://ur1.ca/yw1t #gnu #redhatMay 05 00:01
TechrightsBotTitle: The Grand Fallacy » Post-Goddard. .::. Size~: 45.4 KBMay 05 00:01
TechrightsBotTitle: [Phoronix] Fedora 14 Might Be Called Fytnargin .::. Size~: 16.31 KBMay 05 00:01
sebsebsebstill old thoughMay 05 00:01
schestowitzIt's not a Canonical product, AFAIKMay 05 00:01
sebsebsebyes it's notMay 05 00:02
sebsebseb,butMay 05 00:02
sebsebsebapparantly by 10.10 it will beMay 05 00:02
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian Family News Galore http://ur1.ca/yw2c http://ur1.ca/yw2d http://ur1.ca/y5dwMay 05 00:03
TechrightsBotTitle:    Debian Project News - May 3rd, 2010  .::. Size~: 25.49 KBMay 05 00:03
TechrightsBotTitle: Lucas Nussbaums Blog  » Blog Archive   » But why isnt Debian using Launchpad? .::. Size~: 38.86 KBMay 05 00:03
TechrightsBotTitle: Debian on a Lenovo IdeaPad S10 | DHReutter .::. Size~: 17.14 KBMay 05 00:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @schestowitz Just watched your homeopathy link. I thought the woman at the end was going to claim support from Thabo Mbeki any moment.May 05 00:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look Ahead at #Ubuntu 10.10 http://ur1.ca/yw2o http://ur1.ca/yw2p http://ur1.ca/yluxMay 05 00:06
TechrightsBotTitle: [Phoronix] Tracking The Performance Of Ubuntu 10.10 .::. Size~: 16.51 KBMay 05 00:06
TechrightsBotTitle: Window Indicators ("Windicators") Coming To Ubuntu ~ Web Upd8 .::. Size~: 101.04 KBMay 05 00:06
TechrightsBotTitle: Mark Shuttleworth  » Blog Archive   » Window indicators .::. Size~: 191.82 KBMay 05 00:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of #Kubuntu #Linux 10.04 LTS and Peppermint OS (Mint Based) http://ur1.ca/yw32 http://ur1.ca/yw34May 05 00:09
TechrightsBotTitle: Kubuntu Linux 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) Review | Desktop Linux Reviews .::. Size~: 122.47 KBMay 05 00:09
TechrightsBotTitle: Peppermint OS: a review « The Linux Critic .::. Size~: 43.67 KBMay 05 00:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Funny. Andre Previn refused to start a piece by addressing the orchestra with "and a one and a two.." during Morecambe and Wise show. :)May 05 00:13
Chips_B_Malroythat was Lawence Welks trademarkMay 05 00:15
Chips_B_Malroyno wonderMay 05 00:15
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Chips_B_MalroyA series of events is about to happen on the way to the bottom for MS.  Once reality sets in that MS is not coming back to its former days of glory (money).  1st the stock price.  2nd its puppets will start to die.  SCO,  Novell which is not exactly a puppet, but almost a partner, will be sold or become a smaller company.  Last, the EBallmer will leave.May 05 00:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #HP to Maintain and Further Develop the #Linux -based #WebOS Phones (Beyond Phones) http://ur1.ca/yw4pMay 05 00:19
TechrightsBotTitle: webOS update coming soon, PDK apps likely to land -- Engadget .::. Size~: 210.85 KBMay 05 00:19
Chips_B_Malroychapter one, the Decline and Fall of Micro$oftMay 05 00:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia 's #Linux as Compared to #GNU Linux Desktops - Gaps Blurring http://ur1.ca/yw56 http://ur1.ca/yw57May 05 00:21
TechrightsBotTitle: Safe as Milk  » Blog Archive   » Comparing Maemo & Ubuntu .::. Size~: 32.87 KBMay 05 00:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android / #Linux Does More Than hypePhone and hypePad http://ur1.ca/yw5c http://ur1.ca/yw5dMay 05 00:22
TechrightsBotTitle: Android Developers Blog: Multitasking the Android Way .::. Size~: 104.95 KBMay 05 00:22
TechrightsBotTitle: Adobe Giving Free Android Handsets To Employees? | AndroidGuys .::. Size~: 27.42 KBMay 05 00:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The H Covers #GNU / #Linux / #OLPC / #Sugar Victory http://ur1.ca/yw5nMay 05 00:25
TechrightsBotTitle: OLPC laptops for East Africa and Palestinian children - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 34.56 KBMay 05 00:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux #Tablet - Video http://ur1.ca/yw5v http://ur1.ca/yw5w http://ur1.ca/yw5xMay 05 00:26
TechrightsBotTitle:                     We have an early linux tablet video - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 73.94 KBMay 05 00:27
TechrightsBotTitle: Want an iPad? Get the Joojoo instead! | GHABUNTU .::. Size~: 98.47 KBMay 05 00:27
TechrightsBotTitle:                     Joojoo 3g tablet will appear within 3 months - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 59.78 KBMay 05 00:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Octave (Free Software) Beats #MATLAB (Proprietary) at Programming http://www.walkingrandomly.com/?p=2629May 05 00:28
TechrightsBotTitle: Walking Randomly » When cant MATLAB add up? .::. Size~: 60.3 KBMay 05 00:28
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1604061/apple-microsoftMay 05 00:30
TechrightsBotTitle:                     Apple has become microsoft  - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 63.5 KBMay 05 00:30
Chips_B_MalroyIn one way Apple has become a monopoly.  While Windows still has the market share to make MS a monopoly, Apple is fast gaining a monopoly on Profit over MS, soon.May 05 00:31
Chips_B_MalroyApple does have a monopoly on Ipad, (for now) Itunes, Ipod.May 05 00:32
Chips_B_Malroyand on $1000 and up laptops sold in the USAMay 05 00:32
Chips_B_Malroyit is also trying to use software patents to prevent Android on cellphones, and free codecs over h.264 ones which it partly has a stake in.May 05 00:33
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tessierhttp://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/05/04/179248May 05 00:42
TechrightsBotTitle: Slashdot | Microsoft .Net Libraries Not Acting "Open Source" .::. Size~: 137.12 KBMay 05 00:42
tessierWhee...who didn't see that coming?May 05 00:42
Chips_B_MalroyMiguelMay 05 00:42
tessierToucheMay 05 00:42
Ender2070lolMay 05 00:51
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DaemonFCI ended up going for the modem/router gateway deal this timeMay 05 01:29
DaemonFCtired of two things that don't want to work together :PMay 05 01:29
DaemonFCit's funny that we go all over the world to kill people for something that's freely heading towards our shore and being burnedMay 05 01:33
DaemonFCB-)May 05 01:33
DaemonFCschestowitz: I think Opera is streching the truth on the number of new users they haveMay 05 01:35
DaemonFCthe stats just don't support their claimsMay 05 01:35
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DaemonFChttp://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2010/05/05/comcast-im-leaving-you-its-not-me-its-you/May 05 01:57
DaemonFC:)May 05 01:57
TechrightsBotTitle: Comcast, Im leaving you. Its not me, its you.  « Ryans Blog .::. Size~: 39.43 KBMay 05 01:57
DaemonFCpointing a dish at a satallite and getting TV direc from space is reason enoughMay 05 01:57
neighborleelolMay 05 01:57
DaemonFC:)May 05 01:57
Ender2070you mean opera is lying?May 05 01:58
DaemonFCEnder2070, possibleMay 05 01:58
Ender2070a proprietary software company padding its numbers?May 05 01:58
Ender2070you wouldnt say?May 05 01:58
DaemonFCEnder2070, It's just a suspicion based on one set of stats I looked at this monthMay 05 01:58
DaemonFCOpera's a good piece of softwareMay 05 01:59
Ender2070i always laugh at their statsMay 05 01:59
neighborleeits all I use anymoreMay 05 01:59
DaemonFCI think open source just has a buzzword effectMay 05 01:59
DaemonFCregardless of whether the program in question is the bestMay 05 01:59
Ender2070yet you use the open source ati driverMay 05 01:59
DaemonFCyes, as horrendous as it is, it's better than Catalyst LinuxMay 05 02:00
DaemonFCyour point?May 05 02:00
neighborleechrome is slow,ie forget it, firefox I find buggy.and opera works real nice on sites others dont so I dont have alot of choice atm reallyMay 05 02:00
DaemonFCit's like saying you use a shinier turdMay 05 02:00
Ender2070chome is fastMay 05 02:00
neighborleeI mean scrollingMay 05 02:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Bob Rae: "Senator Ruth gave perhaps the pithiest, sharpest description one can imagine of Conservative political... http://ff.im/jPCFFMay 05 02:00
TechrightsBotTitle: Bob Rae: "Senator Ruth gave perhaps the pithiest,... - Toby Thain - FriendFeed .::. Size~: 6.8 KBMay 05 02:00
Ender2070fastMay 05 02:00
neighborleemouse > scrollbarMay 05 02:00
neighborleehorribly slow on some websites here..opera isn'tMay 05 02:01
Ender2070opera doesnt sandbox its tabsMay 05 02:01
Ender2070not usable on the internetMay 05 02:01
neighborleewhaever it is..they do it bestMay 05 02:01
neighborleewhatMay 05 02:01
neighborleei mean this scroll issueMay 05 02:01
DaemonFCI don't care about sandboxingMay 05 02:01
Ender2070i care about secure browsingMay 05 02:02
DaemonFCthere's ways around it even if they implement it as best as they canMay 05 02:02
DaemonFCit's nothing more than a roadblock at its bestMay 05 02:02
Ender2070something without native selinux support is NOT usable in my eyesMay 05 02:02
neighborleeEnder2070, has that ever affected a opera user ?May 05 02:02
Ender2070:PMay 05 02:03
DaemonFCyou can make a policy for OperaMay 05 02:03
DaemonFCnothing stops youMay 05 02:03
Ender2070even firefox kills opera with its plugin systemMay 05 02:03
DaemonFCOI've made an Opera policy in Apparmor beforeMay 05 02:03
DaemonFC:)May 05 02:03
Ender2070apparmor is a piece of shitMay 05 02:03
Ender2070you might as well not have itMay 05 02:03
neighborleehm does opensuse still use thatMay 05 02:03
Ender2070yesMay 05 02:03
neighborleeahMay 05 02:04
DaemonFCso does UbuntuMay 05 02:04
neighborleewoahMay 05 02:04
Ender2070yeah the noob distrosMay 05 02:04
neighborleehehMay 05 02:04
DaemonFCApparmor is very easy to configureMay 05 02:04
Ender2070because it doesnt do anythingMay 05 02:04
DaemonFCyou don't even really need to read manuals or anythingMay 05 02:04
DaemonFCa novice user can learn how to make a policy in about 10 minutesMay 05 02:04
Ender2070i can write security software for you in a minute, which configures in 5 secondsMay 05 02:05
Ender2070doesnt mean it does anythingMay 05 02:05
DaemonFCSELinux fails horribly and kills the world even when configured by expertsMay 05 02:05
Ender2070your a tardMay 05 02:05
DaemonFCwho have limited its scope hoping to avoid thatMay 05 02:05
Ender2070selinux pisses people off BECAUSE it worksMay 05 02:05
DaemonFCwhy does it break popular programs?May 05 02:05
DaemonFCit really hates Wine for exampleMay 05 02:05
Ender2070wine is a dirty hackMay 05 02:06
Ender2070it shouldnt existMay 05 02:06
Ender2070its protecting you actuallyMay 05 02:06
DaemonFCfrom opening a program I want to run and enjoying the computer I piad for so I could run the program? B-)May 05 02:06
DaemonFCthat's not security, it's stupidityMay 05 02:06
Ender2070wine is bringing the insecurities of windows to linux, of course selinux will freakMay 05 02:06
DaemonFCany right minded user would turn it offMay 05 02:07
Ender2070well what do you wantMay 05 02:07
Ender2070do you want security or do you want easyMay 05 02:07
Ender2070you cant have bothMay 05 02:07
DaemonFCadaptive behavior would be niceMay 05 02:07
Ender2070you cant have reliable adaptive behaviorMay 05 02:07
DaemonFCfailing that, easy overrides for the administratorMay 05 02:07
DaemonFClike telling it not to fuck with that program in that way againMay 05 02:08
DaemonFCif you know the app to be goodMay 05 02:08
Ender2070selinux forces apps into complianceMay 05 02:08
Ender2070if a popular app misbehaves its coded wrongMay 05 02:08
DaemonFCthere needs to be an EASY buttonMay 05 02:08
neighborleelast time I used SELINUX I waned to smack itMay 05 02:08
neighborleehadrMay 05 02:08
neighborleehardMay 05 02:08
neighborleeand farMay 05 02:08
DaemonFCmake it stop doing bad things to your innocent programs in the futureMay 05 02:08
neighborleeoh well ;)May 05 02:08
Ender2070ever use a secure software based firewall on windows?May 05 02:08
Ender2070it will ask you a million questionsMay 05 02:09
Ender2070and it shouldMay 05 02:09
DaemonFCEnder2070, I just use a hardware oneMay 05 02:09
DaemonFCbuilt into most any routerMay 05 02:09
neighborleebut come to think of it, that was in fedora..end of surprise ;))May 05 02:09
Ender2070selinux is designed that way, its supposed to be secureMay 05 02:09
Ender2070i use fedora actually, its quite reliableMay 05 02:09
DaemonFCit's gotten betterMay 05 02:10
Ender2070none of the KDE apps seem to have issues with selinuxMay 05 02:10
DaemonFCstill the Wine issues make it less usefulMay 05 02:10
Ender2070i dont feel bad for your wine issuesMay 05 02:10
DaemonFCI'd like to tell it to ignore Wine appsMay 05 02:10
Ender2070i'd like it to completely block wineMay 05 02:10
Ender2070i dont want to have to run clamav ever on my systemMay 05 02:11
DaemonFCEnder2070, If a contractor ame into your house and said "This is what I'm going to do and you can like it or get out"May 05 02:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Remember how Ripley got rid of the #Alien? might be only way to deal with #Harper and his 'incremental... http://ff.im/jPEjgMay 05 02:11
TechrightsBotTitle: Remember how Ripley got rid of the #Alien? might... - Toby Thain - FriendFeed .::. Size~: 7 KBMay 05 02:11
DaemonFCWould you find another contractor if what he proposed made no sense?May 05 02:11
Ender2070we could invent what-ifs all day long on both sidesMay 05 02:12
DaemonFCI'm not really concerned with the local security of my systems, I just want a barricade to the outsideMay 05 02:12
Ender2070then thats all you had to sayMay 05 02:12
DaemonFCI'm not an idiot and I don't let bad things end up runningMay 05 02:13
Ender2070other than the fact that a firewall isnt perfect eitherMay 05 02:13
Ender2070you are an idiot, do you look at the source code of the apps you run in wine?May 05 02:13
DaemonFCOK. Zombies are out an about. You construct a barricae to keep them out, but you also have an internal security grid using freaking lasers as a last line of defense, right?May 05 02:14
DaemonFCBut every once in a while it malfunctions and starts shooting at youMay 05 02:14
Ender2070im sure you dont even know what command to type in the console to check whats runningMay 05 02:14
DaemonFCeven though nothing is attackingMay 05 02:14
DaemonFCthat's SELinuxMay 05 02:14
Ender2070nor understand what the processes even doMay 05 02:14
DaemonFCdo you shut it off or leave it on?May 05 02:15
DaemonFC:DMay 05 02:15
Ender2070people can get past your firewall thoughMay 05 02:15
DaemonFCdo you act like the security grid isn't defective and will save you and not shoot at you?May 05 02:15
Ender2070just admit you dont want security so we can stop arguingMay 05 02:15
Ender2070your methods arent secure, end of storyMay 05 02:15
DaemonFCit's not security if the fricken lasers are shooting at you :PMay 05 02:16
DaemonFC:DMay 05 02:16
DaemonFCit's another enemy of the userMay 05 02:16
DaemonFConly this one is already activated :DMay 05 02:16
Ender2070its not if its used properlyMay 05 02:16
Ender2070like you said, you turn it offMay 05 02:16
Ender2070even a tard like you could figure it outMay 05 02:17
DaemonFChehMay 05 02:19
Ender2070theres _is_ an easy button, its just labeled "off"May 05 02:19
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DaemonFCI got some Tab to drink while watching Frost/NixonMay 05 03:20
DaemonFC:)May 05 03:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Contemporary #design revealing a generation unschooled in #typography? Random ex of clumsy type - City of Melbourne,... http://ff.im/jPNXCMay 05 03:25
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DaemonFCRon White talking about his TV set he bought at Walmart vs. some $400 sunglassesMay 05 03:34
DaemonFC"No buddy, I don't think you 'get it', this thing decodes signals from spaaaaaaaace!":PMay 05 03:34
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DaemonFChttp://consumerist.com/2010/03/dominos-gross-out-video-star-gets-24-months-probation.htmlMay 05 03:44
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cubezzzwow, the CAN dollar must have really gone upMay 05 04:17
cubezzz$1.02May 05 04:18
DaemonFChehMay 05 04:26
DaemonFCactually, downMay 05 04:26
DaemonFCI'm cutting on necessities to spend on the wishlistMay 05 04:26
DaemonFC:PMay 05 04:26
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DaemonFCI found enough cruft in my car insurance policy to get it down $5 a monthMay 05 04:27
DaemonFC:PMay 05 04:27
DaemonFCthat's how ruthless I am at cost cuttingMay 05 04:27
DaemonFCWhy bother thinking that small? You find enough places to cut $5 a month and before you know it you have a pile of discretionary incomeMay 05 04:29
DaemonFCmy landlord asked me how I had so much stuff and I told him it's cause I'm not a drug addictMay 05 04:30
DaemonFC:PMay 05 04:30
DaemonFCgot a kick out of thatMay 05 04:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] ശശി തരൂര്‍ സ്വന്തം പുസ്തകം വായിക്കേണ്ടതെങ്ങനെ? http://www.mathrubhumi.com/mb4eves/story.php?id=98335 #malayalam @shashitharoorMay 05 04:35
TechrightsBotTitle: Mathrubhumi Eves - maruvakku,articles,ശശി തരൂര്‍ സ്വന്തം പുസ്തകം വായിക്കേണ്ടതെങ്ങനെ? .::. Size~: 74.38 KBMay 05 04:35
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DaemonFChmmm, if you agree to get spammed by DirecTV, they knock another $5 a month off your accountMay 05 04:52
DaemonFCI agreed and I'll add the address they send their "newsletters" from to my block listMay 05 04:52
neighborleegood luck when it bounces lolMay 05 04:53
DaemonFCI'm forging my landlord's signatureMay 05 04:56
DaemonFCby pasting it over from a document he signed for me a few months agoMay 05 04:56
DaemonFC:DMay 05 04:56
DaemonFChmmm, I noticed there's another section I can sign to say he verbally gave me permissionMay 05 04:57
DaemonFCI think I'll use thatMay 05 04:57
DaemonFCa lie they can't do anything about beats forgery chargesMay 05 04:58
DaemonFC:DMay 05 04:58
DaemonFCwell, I suppose my landlord could sue me over itMay 05 04:58
DaemonFCbut it beats a criminal chargeMay 05 04:58
DaemonFCI've told other places I had his permission to do stuffMay 05 04:58
DaemonFCnever can get ahold of himMay 05 04:59
DaemonFCeven if I could he'd bitch about "hooking something else up that uses electricity"May 05 04:59
DaemonFC:DMay 05 04:59
DaemonFCbest to leave sleeping tightwads aloneMay 05 05:00
DaemonFCright neighborlee? :)May 05 05:00
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neighborleewhat am I agreeing to lolMay 05 05:00
neighborleeDaemonFC, and hope and pray they never check...May 05 05:01
DaemonFCsummary: Best to just lie and say I got the landlord's approval again cause he's impossible to track down and ask and even if I could, he'd bitch about the new equipment.May 05 05:01
DaemonFC:)May 05 05:01
neighborleeDaemonFC, little risk taker aren't you :)May 05 05:01
DaemonFCmmhmMay 05 05:01
DaemonFCtonight I'm eating the oven baked chicken subMay 05 05:02
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DaemonFCbut you never know, I could go for the meatball marinara tomorrow just like thatMay 05 05:02
DaemonFCunpredictable!May 05 05:02
neighborleeyeah food is like that ;)May 05 05:02
neighborleesneaky foodMay 05 05:02
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #RWNJ #Law: 1) arrest suspect 2) strip citizenship 3) with no #Miranda, or any other constitutional concern, 4) go... http://ff.im/jQ5EvMay 05 05:33
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Full day powercut (7 hour) in bangalore east. started from 9 am #fails #bbmpMay 05 05:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @fakingnews: Now it's easy to know who is atheist on twitter; of course, the ones who don't follow @sachin_rtMay 05 06:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Fwd: "if you can't stand the heat, you buy the Herald Sun". Catherine Deveny #twitter http://bit.ly/bBL3sv #logies... http://ff.im/jQbOEMay 05 06:22
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Oracle Changes #OpenOffice .org Interface http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/thanks_for_suggesting_better_defaultMay 05 06:30
TechrightsBotTitle: Thanks for Suggesting Better Default Settings - GullFOSS .::. Size~: 56.54 KBMay 05 06:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #Hulu Should Dump Blobs and Embrace Standards http://www.tribbleagency.com/?p=7117May 05 06:46
TechrightsBotTitle: Its time for Hulu to adopt HTML5 instead of Flash .::. Size~: 37.93 KBMay 05 06:46
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Bleh, Miguel de icaza wants .NET CLI to be embedded in browsers *Not really going through w3c* : http://ping.fm/SA2EW .May 05 06:51
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKQbN6tpYXw   $98 Linux Laptop from China - The HiVision MiniNote   Lots of comments, this is the same ARM laptop I posted an ebay link the other day for $119 with Android on itMay 05 07:02
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Chips_B_Malroyso there is interest in theseMay 05 07:03
schestowitzLet's see.... haven't heard from it in a yearMay 05 07:04
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: it's not a new vidMay 05 07:05
Chips_B_Malroyah, I should have known you would have already seen itMay 05 07:06
Chips_B_Malroyyou up late RoyMay 05 07:07
DaemonFCmovie mailed backMay 05 07:09
DaemonFCB-)May 05 07:09
DaemonFCno wonder all the video stores are going underMay 05 07:10
DaemonFCthe one going out of business now is the fifth one in two yearsMay 05 07:10
DaemonFC:PMay 05 07:10
Chips_B_MalroyShowtime?May 05 07:10
Chips_B_Malroy1/3 of their stores are closingMay 05 07:11
DaemonFCMovie Gallery this timeMay 05 07:12
DaemonFCHollywood Video last timeMay 05 07:12
DaemonFCHometown Video before that, both locationsMay 05 07:13
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.shanzai.com/index.php/component/content/article/12-smartbook-reviews/138-worlds-1st-real-smartbook-reviewMay 05 07:13
DaemonFCbusinesses in this town tend to open up where 4 or 5 others in that location have already failedMay 05 07:13
DaemonFCmakes no senseMay 05 07:13
DaemonFCHot and Now turns into China Express turns into a doughnut shopMay 05 07:14
DaemonFCnow it's "Burger Palace"May 05 07:14
DaemonFCI only ate at China Express, it was just so soMay 05 07:15
DaemonFCreminded me of tearing open a frozen chinese dinnerMay 05 07:15
DaemonFCbut that's how businesses work hereMay 05 07:16
DaemonFCinside a year, just about any locally owned business will be 2-3 different thingsMay 05 07:16
Chips_B_MalroyI found the link I just gave from a comment at this site:  http://jkontherun.com/2009/10/14/mobinnova-beam-windows-ce-laptop-because-i-dont-know/   " Reply Tai-Pan Thursday, October 15 2009  We did the first ever actual review of a smartbook and its not the form factor or necessarily the hardware… its the Windows CE that totally makes a device of this nature fail.  Review: http://www.shanzai.com/index.php/componenMay 05 07:17
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*DaemonFC watching Red Dwarf on Netflix :PMay 05 07:17
Chips_B_MalroyWindows CE............failMay 05 07:18
schestowitzHehe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZVAAvB8l4oMay 05 07:19
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schestowitz[07:07] <Chips_B_Malroy> you up late RoyMay 05 07:19
schestowitz7amMay 05 07:19
Chips_B_Malroyso now we all know CE=failure.  MS sends in the troops, enter Mary Jo F. with new vaporware to save the dayMay 05 07:19
schestowitzDaemonFC: there's no need for shops selling 0s and 1s on plasticsMay 05 07:20
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: yesMay 05 07:20
schestowitzThey previous renamed it as a comebackMay 05 07:20
schestowitzJust namesMay 05 07:20
Chips_B_Malroywell, I just don't see windows xp running on ARM.  But they might have had an early port of NT4 running on ARMMay 05 07:21
Chips_B_Malroyif that is so, it might be possible for them to turn out somethingMay 05 07:22
Chips_B_Malroycompatable to windows, not CEMay 05 07:22
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Chips_B_Malroy7am, you up early RoyMay 05 07:23
Chips_B_Malroytrying to find more links with comments about Windows CE sucks on these ARM laptopsMay 05 07:24
Chips_B_Malroymight be usefulMay 05 07:24
cubezzzI'm more interested in ARM motherboardsMay 05 07:26
cubezzzor even Amiga :)May 05 07:26
cubezzzanything that has programming docs reallyMay 05 07:27
Chips_B_MalroyThis might be a how to install Linux on some of these ARM laptops with the Via 8505 ARM cpu  http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-222428-how-do-i-get-into-my-mini-laptopMay 05 07:28
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Chips_B_MalroyCubezzz> arm laptop with Android on it for $119 on ebay, includes shippingMay 05 07:28
Chips_B_MalroynewMay 05 07:29
Chips_B_Malroytoo puny for me, but interestingMay 05 07:29
cubezzzyes I've seen themMay 05 07:29
cubezzzprobably zaurus is betterMay 05 07:29
cubezzzeven that is not ideal howeverMay 05 07:30
Chips_B_Malroyits not x86May 05 07:30
cubezzzI don't really even want x86 :)May 05 07:30
cubezzzI mean why get a power guzzling laptop?May 05 07:31
schestowitzPhones would run for 2 hours if they were stuck in x86 eraMay 05 07:31
cubezzzdoesn't make much senseMay 05 07:31
schestowitzOr PDAMay 05 07:32
MinceRactually there is an x86 phoneMay 05 07:32
MinceRwith an atom CPU :>May 05 07:32
cubezzzI can recompile, no problemMay 05 07:32
MinceRhttp://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2010/01/10/ces_2010_lg_shows_off_intel_atom_powered_phoneMay 05 07:33
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MinceR"The device gets about 4 hours of talk time and 300 of standby for its 1850 mAh battery"May 05 07:33
cubezzzcan you get programming docs for it? that's the real questionMay 05 07:33
cubezzzthat's why I ordered Amiga 1200May 05 07:33
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cubezzzyou can even put the amiga 1200 mobo into a towerMay 05 07:35
cubezzzeven use PCI cards with itMay 05 07:35
MinceRwell, i did code x86 assembly :>May 05 07:35
cubezzzyes, but what about all the other chips and registers, sound, video, disk controllers?May 05 07:36
cubezzzblitter even :)May 05 07:36
MinceRprobably notMay 05 07:37
cubezzzI'm actually pretty close to that on this boxMay 05 07:37
MinceRbut that isn't dependent on whether it's x86May 05 07:37
MinceRold PCs did have that sort of information available, afaikMay 05 07:37
cubezzzit's a power pig May 05 07:37
DaemonFCISA ports ftw!May 05 07:38
cubezzzyes :)May 05 07:38
DaemonFCI'm still looking for an ISA compatible internal DSL modemMay 05 07:38
DaemonFCthink there's a market for those?May 05 07:38
cubezzzthings went bad where the  win95 era beganMay 05 07:38
cubezzzvery very badMay 05 07:38
cubezzzalmost an anti-programmer eraMay 05 07:39
MinceRthey won't produce this phone, though >> http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/04/29/lg.scraps.atom.based.phone/May 05 07:39
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DaemonFCcubezzz, The old ISA Sound BlasterMay 05 07:39
DaemonFCno driver, you just tell the hardware itself what to doMay 05 07:40
DaemonFCdirectly :)May 05 07:40
cubezzzsee, now old tech doesn't seem so bad now May 05 07:40
cubezzzwell...May 05 07:40
cubezzzof course Linux has a driverMay 05 07:40
DaemonFCabstraction layer bullshitMay 05 07:41
DaemonFCthe problem is there in Linux tooMay 05 07:41
DaemonFCeven though bundled drivers can solve some symptomsMay 05 07:41
MinceRso an app being able to handle any sound card is "bullshit" now?May 05 07:41
DaemonFCmehMay 05 07:42
cubezzzI want to be able to see the driver source codeMay 05 07:42
DaemonFCopens up possibilities that the driver might notMay 05 07:42
cubezzzor... have the docs, either wayMay 05 07:43
DaemonFCof course a modern OS won't let you bypass it and access the hardware directlyMay 05 07:43
cubezzzwell of course it's nice to be able to directly access stuffMay 05 07:43
MinceRif it did, multitasking would screw things up nicelyMay 05 07:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] #KDE in #Ubuntu 10.04 is obviously updated. Everything works now as expected. (Had a small anoyance with the Touch pad)May 05 07:43
MinceRif the driver doesn't offer all possibilities then it's incomplete and needs to be improved.May 05 07:44
DaemonFCWindows 9x let you use DOS driversMay 05 07:45
DaemonFCand direct hardware accessMay 05 07:45
MinceRwindows 9x was a piece of shitMay 05 07:45
DaemonFCbut yes, that caused a lot of crashesMay 05 07:45
MinceRand it was horribly unstableMay 05 07:45
MinceRif you want to access a new feature, add it to the driver instead of resorting to hacks that break the OSMay 05 07:45
MinceRon Scott McNealy >> http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1637058&cid=32047918May 05 07:49
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @anjakovacs: RT @zephoria: At #roflcon, @EthanZ gave a brilliant talk "From Weird to Wide" that I highly recommend: http://bit.ly/9TRz2XMay 05 07:49
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @litemeter: SC verdict on Narco test encouraging. Another judgement that takes forward the right to privacy #UIDMay 05 07:50
cubezzzsomeone still must write the driver in the first place :)May 05 07:51
MinceRin fact, in some cases allowing concurrent raw access to hardware might damage the hardwareMay 05 07:52
cubezzzat least be able to read registers...May 05 07:52
DaemonFCoh?May 05 07:52
MinceRsome kinds of hardware use 2 i/o ports -- one to tell which register to access, the other to read/write itMay 05 07:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Gives up on #RadeonHD , to Resume #SCO Case, #BrainShare EMEA http://ur1.ca/yy26 #amd #ati #gpuMay 05 07:52
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MinceRand afaik old CRTs could be damaged by programming the CRTC registers wrongMay 05 07:53
MinceRcooperative multitasking might help with this case, but it isn't real multitasking (and makes the OS _very_ vulnerable to application errors)May 05 07:53
cubezzzit was possible to damage a Commodore PET that wayMay 05 07:53
MinceRand reading registers isn't always safe eitherMay 05 07:53
cubezzzthat's the only example I can think ofMay 05 07:53
MinceRfor example, you could crash a PCjr by reading a register belonging to the DMA controllerMay 05 07:54
MinceRbecause the PCjr had no DMA controllerMay 05 07:54
cubezzzyes, you could make it crashMay 05 07:55
cubezzzmsdos stuff would lock up a lotMay 05 07:55
cubezzzany experimental stuff it's done on a different computer :)May 05 07:56
cubezzzit crashes, no big dealMay 05 07:56
MinceROS-es shouldn't be designed for experimentsMay 05 07:56
cubezzzyou could even write code and run it on an emulatorMay 05 07:56
cubezzzsome one has to write the driver, some one has to write the biosMay 05 07:57
cubezzzthey have safe-guards in place so they can do thatMay 05 07:58
MinceRyes, and that doesn't conflict with direct hw access belonging in the driversMay 05 07:59
cubezzzI even wrote a VISA-1 network emulator in the 80'sMay 05 07:59
MinceR(or in a microkernel doing it on behalf of drivers only)May 05 07:59
cubezzzin the bios case, there are bios savers, so you always have a duplicate working bios to boot fromMay 05 08:00
cubezzzjust in case you muck it up making changesMay 05 08:01
cubezzzwell the software does it's best to figure out if a card is thereMay 05 08:02
DaemonFChey, why are all these old Red Dwarf episodes using inches, feet, miles.....etcMay 05 08:03
cubezzzPCI cards are pretty well documentedMay 05 08:03
DaemonFC?May 05 08:03
cubezzzI think Linux can withstand a LKM crashingMay 05 08:03
cubezzzthe video driver would be another story of courseMay 05 08:04
MinceRcorrection: "084037 < MinceR> OS-es shouldn't be designed for experiments" -> OS-es intended for non-experiment use shouldn't be designed for experimentsMay 05 08:05
MinceR:)May 05 08:05
cubezzzon the c64 I would crash stuffMay 05 08:05
cubezzzyou just hit the power button and try to figure out what you did wrongMay 05 08:05
cubezzzsame thing with early AmigaDOSMay 05 08:06
cubezzzthe hardware didn't have an MMUMay 05 08:06
cubezzzI don't think UK has full Metrication even nowMay 05 08:09
cubezzzand at the time of Red Dwarf, definitely notMay 05 08:09
cubezzz" 1995   UK regulations require packaged goods sold in Britain to be labelled in metric units."May 05 08:09
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cubezzzdual labelling is still allowed I thinkMay 05 08:10
DaemonFCthey're labelled in both here, but the metric measurement in off to the side in parenthesesMay 05 08:11
DaemonFCnobody refers to metric units of measurement in conversationMay 05 08:11
cubezzz"As of June 2007, all but two US states (New York and Alabama) have passed laws permitting metric-only labels for the products they regulate"May 05 08:11
DaemonFCyeah, but there's no requirementMay 05 08:11
DaemonFCfood is what uses bothMay 05 08:12
DaemonFCthat's by industry standards, not the government forcing themMay 05 08:12
cubezzzit would be a huge benefit if you could write your own device driverMay 05 08:14
DaemonFCcubezzz, the interesting thing is the cases where one state passing a law makes it a de facto law in the whole countryMay 05 08:15
DaemonFCCalifornia regulating gas mileage for cars and energy standards for TVs for instanceMay 05 08:15
cubezzzit makes sense to have efficient devicesMay 05 08:16
cubezzzsome big screen tvs are major power pigs May 05 08:16
DaemonFCthe market should drive that thoughMay 05 08:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @anoopan: How To Personalize Skype’s Mood Messages With Twitter http://j.mp/bYT88X via @Twitter_TipsMay 05 08:16
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DaemonFCif customers demand energy efficient TVs, it'll come about naturallyMay 05 08:17
DaemonFCthe government mandates it, then the manufacturers hurry up and release an inferior product so it can meet the guidelinesMay 05 08:17
cubezzzit's a selling pointMay 05 08:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @karuppadanna: Dr Binayak Sen's Convocation address at the ACJ on 'Hunger, Dispossession and the quest for Justice'... www.asianmedia.orgMay 05 08:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @EFF: Six Things You Need to Know About Facebook's New Profile Connections http://eff.org/r.4kaMay 05 08:20
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cubezzzyes, at least in most cases we can look at existing drivers, and mod them when necessaryMay 05 08:21
DaemonFC"You're the only man ever to get his money back from the Odor Eater people"May 05 08:22
DaemonFClolMay 05 08:22
DaemonFCRimmer to ListerMay 05 08:22
cubezzzyesterday I did my first FTA satellite orderMay 05 08:24
cubezzzso I get to implement that on a linux box May 05 08:24
cubezzzpretty interesting stuff actuallyMay 05 08:25
cubezzzcustomer finally decided to go ahead with the projectMay 05 08:28
DaemonFCcubezzz, Fusselman lostMay 05 08:38
DaemonFChave a beer on me :)May 05 08:38
DaemonFCthat guy is just no damned goodMay 05 08:39
DaemonFCruns a local coffee shop that you'll never see me inMay 05 08:39
DaemonFCwell, at least not now that he said the things he said while campaigningMay 05 08:39
DaemonFCI'll drive up to Roanoke to grab a coffee now :PMay 05 08:39
DaemonFCheh, Gary Snyder lost the nomination for county clerkMay 05 08:40
DaemonFChe can keep ranting on the sidelines I guessMay 05 08:40
DaemonFCCarney lost the Sheriff nominationMay 05 08:41
DaemonFCso far all the Teabaggers have lost badlyMay 05 08:42
DaemonFC:)May 05 08:42
DaemonFChmmmm, the Mayor's wife lost her nomination for county council in a landslideMay 05 08:43
DaemonFCthe Updike family name is toxic on a ballot right nowMay 05 08:43
DaemonFCOK, the only offices the Teabaggers won are of no significanceMay 05 08:44
DaemonFCeven at local level :)May 05 08:44
DaemonFC"I won a Township Board seat" = "Great, now you can give the establishment hell by deciding who mows the lawn at the cemetary..."May 05 08:46
DaemonFC*grin*May 05 08:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #HP gets #WebOS and #Google gets #BumpTop (for 3-D desktop), which in turn help replace #Windows http://ur1.ca/yycg #linuxMay 05 08:47
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft and #Novell Faking “Open Source” and Pushing .NET Into Web Browsers http://ur1.ca/yyhg #mono #firefox #swpatsMay 05 09:10
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Conservative #STFU gaffe puts spotlight on #Harper govt's ongoing attacks on women's groups http://bit.ly/bgn09Z... http://ff.im/jQzwnMay 05 09:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Cost of #Patent Trolls Who Attack #Linux http://ur1.ca/yyk7 Why patent trolls or puppets like #Acacia (and Microsoft) matterMay 05 09:24
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Morning, all! Hows things?May 05 09:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] We (Canonical) are helping to save the lynx with the Ubuntu One Music store - you can help! http://is.gd/bUQy6 #ubuntuMay 05 09:32
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MinceRgeekingsMay 05 09:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Now that ISO backs the MPEG LA catel (with patent trolls) I'm creating a page about ISO and OOXML. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/ISOMay 05 10:00
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @glynmoody: Indian Official: ACTA Out Of Sync With TRIPS and Public Health - http://bit.ly/cSZBQL more bad aspects of bad treaty #actaMay 05 10:10
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Bah! Anyone know of a _decent_ forum for diagnosing home appliance issues? Washing machine is playing up.May 05 10:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Getting rageful hate for various websites which are just flooded with ads and near zero content. Assholes, all of them.May 05 10:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Loved it !! RT @aashiks: #KDE people ! rejoice ! we are getting a Plasma Media Centre. http://is.gd/bUSVOMay 05 10:25
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MinceRhttp://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/04/30/1258234/DNSSEC-May-Cause-Problems-On-May-5?from=rssMay 05 10:35
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MinceRboth opendns and google seems to fail this testMay 05 10:35
MinceRand so does my mobile internet providerMay 05 10:35
MinceRs/seems/seem/May 05 10:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] I object to buying a new one. Tumble dryer failed last month.Figured out heater failed, 30 quid on ebay for a new one.Fitted myself.Victory!May 05 10:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple and #Microsoft a Threat to Culture (Data), Not Just Software (Tools) http://ur1.ca/yz9t #mpeg #cartel #isoMay 05 10:57
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Lets see how this does.. http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?p=32492181 (I hate forums with a passion btw) :)May 05 11:01
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC News - Google enters digital books war with launch of Editions http://tinyurl.com/3xn6eq8May 05 11:09
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @ml2mst #KDE in #Ubuntu 10.04 is obviously updated. Everything works now as expected. > it's well madeMay 05 11:10
schestowitzMinceR: mine works OKMay 05 11:10
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/30/jobs_flash_letter_deconstructed/May 05 11:12
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schestowitzThe Reg is very pro-MAFIAA, still http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/30/pirate_bay_brokep_interview/May 05 11:14
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schestowitzAnd watch the image of Jobs at the right hand sideMay 05 11:14
oiaohmDid you not notice that the commands for testing dnssec are Linux.  Ie where are the windows instructions.  MinceRMay 05 11:14
MinceRmy home isp's dns server works, thoughMay 05 11:14
MinceRoiaohm: i never cared :>May 05 11:14
schestowitzAndrew Orlowski the uberMAFIAAtroll: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/30/pirate_v_pirate/May 05 11:15
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MinceRalso, dig might exist for winblows, i don't knoeMay 05 11:15
schestowitzDigg is Apple's :->May 05 11:15
MinceRbut dig isn'tMay 05 11:15
MinceRbblMay 05 11:15
schestowitzNot yet.May 05 11:16
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/04/twitter_and_the_end_of_the_sysadmin_as_we_know_it/May 05 11:20
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schestowitzNo Turfers from Comcast yet: http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2010/05/05/comcast-im-leaving-you-its-not-me-its-you/May 05 11:23
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Going to Ubuntu Developer Summit next week. taking the same laptop I've had since UDS Sevilla in May 2007. Feels crusty.May 05 11:32
cubezzzare Universities all using Vista?May 05 11:38
cubezzzI know it's a horrible thought but...May 05 11:39
schestowitzNoMay 05 11:43
schestowitzHome users sometimes use iMay 05 11:43
schestowitzFew businesses, very fewMay 05 11:43
schestowitzWindows is cheap (inexpensive) now, because of GNU and Linux as competition, IMHOMay 05 11:43
schestowitztessier: are you around? Let me know if/when you are, thanks :-)May 05 11:44
schestowitz> Re: 8th annual ‘D: All Things Digital’ conference’May 05 11:46
schestowitz> This is interesting as to who isn't attending .. or invited ?May 05 11:46
schestowitz> May 05 11:46
schestowitz> `Apple CEO Steve Jobs will be this year’s opening-night speaker,May 05 11:46
schestowitz> Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer will make his fourth appearance andMay 05 11:46
schestowitz> “Avatar” director James Cameron will appear onstage at D for the firstMay 05 11:46
schestowitz> time on the annual event’s second night'May 05 11:46
schestowitz> May 05 11:46
schestowitz> May 05 11:46
schestowitz> • Steve Burke, COO of ComcastMay 05 11:46
schestowitz> • Steve Case, Chairman and CEO of RevolutionMay 05 11:46
schestowitz> • Peter Chou, CEO of HTCMay 05 11:46
schestowitz> • John Donahoe, President and CEO of eBayMay 05 11:46
schestowitz> • Carly Fiorina, Candidate for U.S. Senate, CaliforniaMay 05 11:46
schestowitz> • Julius Genachowski, Chairman of the FCCMay 05 11:46
schestowitz> • Paul Jacobs, CEO of QualcommMay 05 11:46
schestowitz> • Jeffrey Katzenberg, CEO of Dreamworks Animation SKGMay 05 11:46
schestowitz> • Ted Leonsis, Vice Chairman Emeritus of AOL, Chairman of RevolutionMay 05 11:46
schestowitz> Money and Owner of Washington CapitalsMay 05 11:46
schestowitz> • Alan Mulally, CEO of FordMay 05 11:46
schestowitz> • Ray Ozzie, Chief Software Architect of MicrosoftMay 05 11:46
schestowitz> • Richard Rosenblatt, Co-Founder, Chairman and CEO of Demand MediaMay 05 11:46
schestowitz> • Vivian Schiller, President and CEO of NPRMay 05 11:46
schestowitz> • Paul Steiger, Editor-in-Chief, President and Chief Executive of ProPublicaMay 05 11:46
schestowitz> • Mark Zuckerberg, Founder and CEO of FacebookMay 05 11:46
schestowitz> May 05 11:46
schestowitz> http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/25004/May 05 11:46
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tessierschestowitz: Yes?May 05 11:50
tessierJust finished up today's project and was about to get some sleep.May 05 11:50
tessierI really hate Dell hardware. Ugh.May 05 11:51
oiaohmThere is worse.  tessierMay 05 11:51
oiaohmCompaq hardware tessierMay 05 11:51
oiaohmCompaq hardware and cheep cases are about the only things that are able to draw blood against me.May 05 11:52
oiaohmMost dell hardware has well finshed no human cutting cases.May 05 11:53
schestowitzhttp://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/04/integrating-virtual-keyboards-in-google.htmlMay 05 11:56
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schestowitztessier: are there any requests hitting the xandros and linspire domains? Expiry is soon, so I need to know if there's point reneweingMay 05 11:57
oiaohmHmm in one way that keyboard idea is a good one from secuirty.  schestowitzMay 05 11:57
oiaohmNormal keyboard capture methods are not going to work against it.May 05 11:58
schestowitzoiaohm: it might be one of those services to be neglected, except searchMay 05 11:58
tessierschestowitz: 163 requests for boycottxandros.com since I started keeping track when you asked me about this...probably two weeks ago?May 05 11:59
tessier323 for linspireMay 05 11:59
oiaohmVirtual keyboard might have started off in a google developers 20 percent muck around time.  schestowitzMay 05 12:00
schestowitzThanks. I wonder if these could also be bots/search engines?May 05 12:00
oiaohmLot of strange things come out of that.May 05 12:00
tessierOut of a total of 6215558 requests.May 05 12:00
tessierCould be. I wasn't logging user agents.May 05 12:00
*tessier goes to bed, night allMay 05 12:00
schestowitzTHanksMay 05 12:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Cats is so stupid.May 05 12:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Titanium/Prizm Developer should create cross platform zhtml viewer for web documents. #web http://bit.ly/95h8AuMay 05 12:07
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schestowitzoiaohm: http://www.techworld.com.au/article/344900/palm_users_giddy_over_hp_buyout?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1May 05 12:11
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schestowitzI'm among those who are quite pleasedMay 05 12:11
schestowitzCould be worse.......May 05 12:11
schestowitzhttp://www.techworld.com.au/article/345091/hp_drops_windows_7_from_slate_tablet?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1May 05 12:15
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schestowitzProably moving to Linux+ARM thenMay 05 12:15
schestowitzhttp://www.techworld.com.au/article/345239/google_invests_online_payment_company?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1May 05 12:16
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cubezzzHP drops windows 7 ..... from all their PCs!May 05 12:17
cubezzznow that would be really exciting :)May 05 12:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @snookcocker REMINDER: Tomorrow is 'National Not Voting Conservative Day' http://goo.gl/fn4m http://twitpic.com/1kkt7x #ukMay 05 12:20
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] I don't care what the scaredy-cats say--#Ahmadinejad has checkmated the intransigent nuclear powers with a straightforward anti-nuke postureMay 05 12:22
oiaohmI would be happen enough if all HP models had a Linux option at this stage.  cubezzzMay 05 12:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@wesbenterprise in short: the distraction corps seems to have you all on the right thoroughly fooled. which benefits certain groups greatlyMay 05 12:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Introducing Open Source to A Middle School http://opensource.com/education/10/4/introducing-open-source-middle-school #foss #educationMay 05 12:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @nsisodiya Introducing Open Source to A Middle School http://ur1.ca/yzuo #foss #educationMay 05 12:39
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Earth from Mars http://www.boingboing.net/2010/04/26/earth-from-mars.html Kings of the universe?May 05 12:44
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oiaohmThe australian tax office is in a mess my releations work doing accountancy.May 05 12:46
schestowitzhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8650526.stm 'Gordon Brown has said he is "mortified" after being caught on microphone describing a pensioner he had just spoken to as a "bigoted woman".'May 05 12:48
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schestowitz"America" is the happiest country in the whole wide world!May 05 12:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nice picture about scale: A microscopic look at vinyl record grooves http://ur1.ca/yzwlMay 05 12:52
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schestowitzhttp://www.boingboing.net/2010/04/30/1939-worlds-fair-the.htmlMay 05 12:54
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why does the Telegraph cover k00k stories now? http://ur1.ca/ybsrMay 05 12:58
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Uwe Mitzscherlich, 39, paid an actress 300 euros [...], as marrying an animal is illegal in Germany." http://ur1.ca/yzy5May 05 13:01
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @peterdaou Gov. Perry claims #GulfSpill an ‘act of #God’ http://bit.ly/azGRkG // #wtf? Let's see if #Transocean's insurer agrees :P #oilMay 05 13:09
TechrightsBotTitle: Speaking at trade association supported by BP, Gov. Perry claims rig disaster is an ‘act of god’  «  Climate Progress .::. Size~: 41.79 KBMay 05 13:09
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Trust-in-Sony-Gone-With-the-Other-OS-69907.html?wlc=1273060360May 05 13:09
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 Rush L blamed "environmentalists" for itMay 05 13:11
schestowitzoiaohm: how does Microsoft (and Intel) dodge tax in Aussie?May 05 13:11
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] I am desperately looking forward to create a plymouth theme , no clue , How to do it #ubuntu #lucidMay 05 13:14
oiaohmMore than enough ways.May 05 13:15
oiaohmLot of those companies are in for rude shocks from changes in Australian tax law covering overseas incomes.May 05 13:16
oiaohmAll income now has to be declared to the Australian government no matter where the income was made.May 05 13:17
oiaohmAnd tax rate set accordly.May 05 13:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @GlynMoody http://bit.ly/9DOReV ad hominem attack on @michaelgeist: why? >> because he has been successful influencing with reasonMay 05 13:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Probation at work successfully concluded. I are now a real employee! Attaching self like barnacle, 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...May 05 13:17
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oiaohmIe none of this move income overseas and move into a low tax bracket.May 05 13:18
schestowitzMoody's feed is becoming politcally charged. http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/13369066951May 05 13:21
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oiaohmLot of goverments around the world are closing the tax loop holes.May 05 13:21
schestowitzToo slowlyMay 05 13:21
oiaohmHere its going to get interesting.May 05 13:22
oiaohmThe night mare of having the tax system computer program rewriten.May 05 13:23
oiaohmand placed on a new server.  So all the tax law has been read.May 05 13:23
oiaohmSo computer playing up and a lot of tax loop holes and errors are no more.May 05 13:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] AHH WINDOWS YOU FUCKER you are so SLOW this is a Core 2 Duo with THREE SODDING GB goddamn. Ubuntu does same things on same box TWICE as fastMay 05 13:23
schestowitzDoes it work on Linux yet (tax calc/returns)?May 05 13:23
schestowitzThere was a lot of debate abt it in 2007May 05 13:24
oiaohmAs yet no.  Even that the tax office computers are Linux.May 05 13:24
oiaohmYes ass holes.May 05 13:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard which version?May 05 13:24
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cubezzzI did my taxes on Linux this yearMay 05 13:26
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MinceRhttp://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/iranp1.jpg?w=450&h=1731May 05 13:40
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schestowitzI've just added: http://techrights.org/search/May 05 14:09
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schestowitzMinceR: I think that Hitcham has a crush on himMay 05 14:12
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schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/02/conservatives-philippa-stroud-gay-cureMay 05 14:24
TechrightsBotTitle:  Rising Tory star Philippa Stroud ran prayer sessions to 'cure' gay people | Politics | The Observer  .::. Size~: 200.6 KBMay 05 14:24
schestowitzAnd these are people who run countries.... quacksMay 05 14:24
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schestowitzhttp://arablit.wordpress.com/2010/04/23/the-best-100-arabic-books-according-to-the-arab-writers-union-1-10/May 05 14:30
TechrightsBotTitle: The Best 100 Arabic Books (According to the Arab Writers Union): 1-10 « Arabic Literature (in English) .::. Size~: 40.81 KBMay 05 14:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Several people have complained that it's hard to find pages in Techrights (among ~12k), so I've just created http://techrights.org/search/May 05 14:31
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schestowitzGovernment Response to the Report of the Government 2.0 Taskforce http://www.finance.gov.au/publications/govresponse20report/index.htmlMay 05 14:33
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Etherpad v1 now available, and as a deb too. #ubuntu #debian. http://doc.etherpad.org/v1announcementMay 05 14:33
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Can I trust this website http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk They are offering Nokia N900 in 13,000 INR too cheap #nokiaMay 05 14:41
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oiaohmhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/04/meego_linux_mobile_android_microsoft/  See nokia and intel statement over meego.  Touch it with patents be prepared to face both their patent lists.May 05 14:45
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oiaohmTrue nightmare for MS idea of making profit from patents on Linux.May 05 14:45
cubezzzM.A.D.May 05 14:46
oiaohmYep.May 05 14:47
oiaohmIt had to happen at some point Linux protected by a M.A.D shield.May 05 14:47
oiaohmNow if Nokia and Intel can get others to join the M.A.D shield it will just become that scary that no company that is sane will go anywhere near attacking it.May 05 14:48
oiaohmEven a troll would have to watch it.  They could really simply find themselves that there vaild patents are worth less than the patents that are in the M.A.DMay 05 14:49
schestowitzhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1079469/May 05 15:07
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schestowitzoiaohm: http://www.finance.gov.au/publications/govresponse20report/index.htmlMay 05 15:07
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schestowitzhttp://creativecommons.org.au/node/295May 05 15:08
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schestowitzoiaohm: Nokia is not in OIN, I thinkMay 05 15:08
oiaohmhttp://xml.coverpages.org/ni2005-08-10-a.html  But Nokia has a non attack pleage.May 05 15:11
TechrightsBotTitle: Cover Pages: Open Source Development Labs (OSDL) Announces Patent Commons Project. .::. Size~: 49.05 KBMay 05 15:11
oiaohmOn Linux schestowitzMay 05 15:11
oiaohmNokia is making its pledge broader.  schestowitzMay 05 15:11
schestowitzAh, OKMay 05 15:12
schestowitzThey have heapsMay 05 15:12
schestowitzhardwareMay 05 15:12
oiaohmYep nokia money is hardwareMay 05 15:13
oiaohmNot software.May 05 15:13
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Omar87Hi all.May 05 15:14
schestowitzWarren is a very sick puppy  http://www.marketwatch.com/story/buffett-adds-a-few-thoughts-on-goldman-2010-05-04?reflink=MW_news_stmpMay 05 15:22
TechrightsBotTitle: Buffett 'adds' a few thoughts on Goldman David Weidner's Writing on the Wall - MarketWatch .::. Size~: 88.76 KBMay 05 15:22
schestowitzNo wonder he got together with one of the world's biggest criminalsMay 05 15:22
schestowitzOmar87: moody posted this today:  http://arablit.wordpress.com/2010/04/23/the-best-100-arabic-books-according-to-the-arab-writers-union-1-10/May 05 15:22
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Omar87schestowitz, oh. Okay. Thanks. :)May 05 15:25
schestowitzhttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/04/business/04sorkin.html?src=meMay 05 15:25
TechrightsBotTitle: Dealbook Column - From Buffett, Thought-Out Support for Goldman - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 72.75 KBMay 05 15:25
schestowitzpart of BillG's clanMay 05 15:25
schestowitzDefending crimesMay 05 15:25
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schestowitzIs Google's UI change universal?May 05 15:27
schestowitzI'm seeing no articles about it, but it changd for me this morningMay 05 15:28
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oiaohmSeams to be schestowitzMay 05 15:32
schestowitzhttp://www.goodbyemicrosoft.net/news.php?item.576.4May 05 15:32
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schestowitz:-DMay 05 15:32
oiaohmI have had the guy not blieve that was the case.May 05 15:33
oiaohmIe no windows.May 05 15:33
oiaohmDid not like being told that my accountant had windows I did not.May 05 15:34
schestowitzhttp://www.the-source.com/2010/05/pulseaudio-and-jack/May 05 15:34
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schestowitzamicus_curious troll again: http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/05/04/consolidation-in-the-market-for-netbooks/May 05 15:36
TechrightsBotTitle:   Consolidation in the Market for Netbooks at  Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 27.31 KBMay 05 15:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] watching - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOouhVZHaK4 (furstated ubuntu lucid persons )May 05 15:36
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- WHY UBUNTU 10.04 FUCKING SUCKS MAJOR ASS! .::. Size~: 88.93 KBMay 05 15:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] nice review #lucid RT: @nsisodiya: watching - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOouhVZHaK4 (furstated ubuntu lucid persons )May 05 15:38
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Ender2070_lol that guy is a tardMay 05 15:41
Ender2070_read his commentsMay 05 15:41
schestowitz> Hi, Roy,May 05 15:41
schestowitz> May 05 15:41
schestowitz> Are you and others able to add tags in slashdot or use the firehose toMay 05 15:41
schestowitz> vote up or down articles?May 05 15:41
schestowitzCan you check with me?May 05 15:41
schestowitzEnder2070_: it's a shill whom someone mail me aboutMay 05 15:41
schestowitzPart of the whole Microsoft "Evangelism" thing, apparentlyMay 05 15:41
schestowitzHe nymshiftsMay 05 15:41
schestowitzBill Weisgerber is his real nameMay 05 15:41
Ender2070_??May 05 15:43
schestowitzI see tags and I can rank.May 05 15:43
schestowitzhttp://slashdot.org/submission/1230644/Collabora-joins-GNOME-Foundatio-Advisory-BoardMay 05 15:43
schestowitz"Karma: Excellent"May 05 15:43
TechrightsBotTitle: Slashdot Submission | Collabora joins GNOME Foundatio Advisory Board .::. Size~: 42.65 KBMay 05 15:43
schestowitzSomeone tells me that /, deleted tagsMay 05 15:44
schestowitzAhoy. Collabora aboardMay 05 15:44
schestowitzAnother company could go overboard... sinking ship Co.May 05 15:45
Ender2070_oh lol this guy makes fun of fspot and tomboyMay 05 15:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Striking ietherpad.com off the christmas card list. silly rabbitsMay 05 15:46
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Ender2070_what am i looking for?May 05 15:49
Ender2070_http://www.crafted.com.au/blog/2010/05/05/apples-attack-on-adobe-flash-its-all-about-online-video/May 05 15:52
TechrightsBotTitle:   Apples attack on Adobe Flash, its all about online video. .::. Size~: 48.66 KBMay 05 15:52
oiaohmCollabora Gnome foundation that is interesting.  Thinking Collabora provides a lot of QT developers.May 05 15:54
Ender2070_http://www.conceivablytech.com/831/products/google-rolls-out-flashified-turbo-charged-version-of-chrome/May 05 15:55
TechrightsBotTitle: Google Rolls Out Flashified, Turbo-Charged Version of Chrome  | ConceivablyTech .::. Size~: 38.9 KBMay 05 15:55
schestowitzLinux and religion. http://robinzrants.wordpress.com/2010/05/04/my-last-hop/May 05 16:00
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schestowitzEnder2070_: where are those?  (re "<Ender2070_> oh lol this guy makes fun of fspot and tomboy")May 05 16:01
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oiaohmcollabora personal was one of the biggest blockers to mono entering kde.  Now I wish I had booked marked those mailing list entries.May 05 16:05
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Mark Shuttleworth answers your questions live in 10mins at Ubuntu Open Week! See http://is.gd/bVmWw for details!May 05 16:07
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Good SVG links #svg http://edutechwiki.unige.ch/en/SVG_linksMay 05 16:09
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schestowitzoiaohm: Creating an Underwater Scene in Blender- Part 1 http://www.packtpub.com/article/create-underwater-scene-in-blender-1May 05 16:10
TechrightsBotTitle: Creating an Underwater Scene in Blender- Part 1 | Packt Publishing Technical & IT Book Store .::. Size~: 74.97 KBMay 05 16:11
schestowitzoiaohm: can you find those entries?May 05 16:11
schestowitzThey offered reasons, hopefulyMay 05 16:11
schestowitzWe can use thoseMay 05 16:11
schestowitzhttp://mozillalinks.org/wp/2010/05/bug-in-ubuntu-10-04-causing-firefox-crashes-with-noscript/May 05 16:11
TechrightsBotTitle: Bug in Ubuntu 10.04 causing Firefox crashes with NoScript &bull; Mozilla Links .::. Size~: 14.15 KBMay 05 16:11
oiaohmThere were not anything special.  Ie normal issue don't trust patent status.May 05 16:12
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oiaohmSorry for the version of blender I use that book is too old.  schestowitzMay 05 16:13
oiaohmYes its for the last stable release but I stoped using that months ago.May 05 16:13
schestowitzhttp://www.junauza.com/2010/05/database-adminmusic-enthusiasts-linux.htmlMay 05 16:14
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schestowitzheh. Who uses Linux for professional work? ;-)May 05 16:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Installed Dropbox app for Android. I can now access files on my phone. Super handy. http://bit.ly/dsLRlj http://bit.ly/9qWFvyMay 05 16:14
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Now following @doublec , #svg #video #web #html5 (blueishcode).May 05 16:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Anyone know of a _good_ wordpress module for managing paid subscriptions, paypal/google checkout integration also useful?May 05 16:43
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Ender2070_the guy who made the ubuntu reviewMay 05 16:50
Ender2070_the computer illiterateMay 05 16:50
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oiaohmhttp://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/05/why-you-should-not-use-client-side-window-decorations/  boy ubuntu some developers there are going nuts.May 05 17:04
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schestowitzHere's where he puts it decently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilWM7jIEN_kMay 05 17:23
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Notes broke Windows. Notes in LINUX broke WINDOWS. What. WHAT. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMay 05 18:01
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Somebody just commented me on chat - "Please create 10 clone of yourself to work on linux" #foss :)May 05 18:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @satipera Its an HTC......funnily enough it started playing dirty after the patent deal with Microsoft was signed! ;)May 05 18:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @_the_mad_hatter Or Imploder?May 05 18:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @_Goblin It all starts at the top :)May 05 18:50
_goblin /msg ChanServ helpMay 05 19:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Where r u leaving? RT @sreerenj: final days in Bangalore :....(May 05 19:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows Summit Folded http://ur1.ca/z233 Another event of #Microsoft is shelved online while the event in Redmond is cancelledMay 05 19:33
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satiperaHello everyone, I think I have sorted out my network problems :)May 05 19:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #HTC - #Microsoft Was Not an Agreement, It Was Apparently an #Extortion http://ur1.ca/z297 #linux #android #swpats #phonesMay 05 20:03
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "Non cogito ergo douche" (I do not think, therefore I offend) - Fondle SharkMay 05 20:06
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Alguém me sabe confirmar se o deslizamento de terras em #Lisboa foi neste rectângulo de encosta que se vê ao centro? http://is.gd/bVHFyMay 05 20:14
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Ender2070guess whatMay 05 20:15
MinceRwhatMay 05 20:16
Ender2070im a darwinist triscuit eating motherfuckerMay 05 20:16
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cubezzzummm, okMay 05 20:17
Ender2070you dont get itMay 05 20:17
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Ender2070http://gawker.com/5523210/why-do-the-islamic-extremists-who-hate-south-park-also-hate-triscuitsMay 05 20:17
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_Goblinneither do I May 05 20:18
MinceR:)May 05 20:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] http://www.quantumagewater.eu/contents/en-us/d1.html *facepalm* http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Quantum_wooMay 05 20:20
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MinceRthey don't sell triscuits hereMay 05 20:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] hehehe olhó-fishing a esfregar as mãos... http://is.gd/bVIrc #IDN #ccTLDsMay 05 20:23
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] A teimosia que vai ficar cara em relação ao #TGV é fazer mais do que Lisboa Madrid. Mas que necessitamos do TGV... a #ashcloud provou-o!May 05 20:25
MinceRand a waveform domain name under thatMay 05 20:26
schestowitzload average: 15.38, 15.75, 12.38May 05 20:30
schestowitzWTH\?May 05 20:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @mattfraction: RT @rushkoff: This is the end: crowdsourced american youth gestapo at http://snapscouts.orgMay 05 20:32
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schestowitzThere are weird http requests from WindowsMay 05 20:38
schestowitzAll sorts of dumb urls repeatedlyMay 05 20:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Eye on #Security : #Windows 2003 Web Sites Defaced, #SharePoint 2007 Suffers Zero-Day Vulnerability http://ur1.ca/z2icMay 05 20:39
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Reasons to vote Tory: replacing public services with volunteers and churches will inspire a new Charles DickensMay 05 20:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Reasons to keep Trident: we need a Cold War and imminent nuclear death at any second to get really *good* punk rock happeningMay 05 20:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Reasons to vote LibDem: everyone is middle class now, they just don't know it yetMay 05 20:41
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] London cops' signs in Internet cafe warn against loading porn and "extremism" http://ur1.ca/z2ilMay 05 20:41
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] 3 Officers Indicted In Teens' Kidnappings http://ur1.ca/z2isMay 05 20:41
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Reasons to vote Labour: top-down central planning of society works and is effectiveMay 05 20:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Reasons to vote Green: science is a conspiracy and homeopathy worksMay 05 20:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Reasons to vote UKIP: We don't want to become the new Belgium. Instead, we should become the new Albania.May 05 20:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Reasons to vote BNP: actually, you've got me there. There are no reasons to vote BNP.May 05 20:44
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Birthday Blindfolding Leads To Girls' Arrests http://ur1.ca/z2ixMay 05 20:46
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Portuguese blog compares Photoshop Content-aware fill to Gimp Resynthisize, they both fail hard http://ur1.ca/z2j2May 05 20:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] @_Goblin Imploder works too!May 05 20:47
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] The truth about the Arazona anti-Mexican bill http://ur1.ca/z2jyMay 05 20:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Firm of Bill Gates’ Father Gets Involved in @Gizmodo Raid Case, Gizmodo May SueMay 05 21:00
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Google Chrome Speed Test http://ur1.ca/z2ly #wtfMay 05 21:01
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Oops. Forgot URL: Firm of Bill Gates’ Father Gets Involved in @Gizmodo Raid Case, Gizmodo May Sue http://ur1.ca/z2mnMay 05 21:05
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] MIT Unveils First Solar Cells Printed on Paper http://ur1.ca/z2m6 !scienceMay 05 21:06
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sebsebsebHiMay 05 21:25
MinceRo/May 05 21:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Check out Radio Wildfire - Spreading the spoken word online! http://www.radiowildfire.com/ #radio #podcast #freeMay 05 21:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] With #Novell ’s help, #Microsoft continues to retard the World Wide Web, polluting it with .NET and patents http://ur1.ca/z2roMay 05 21:35
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Internet Explorer market share at all time low: Time to give up? http://tinyurl.com/38okgfq #microsoft #windows #xp #vista #ie #mvp #failMay 05 21:47
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schestowitzNovell is dead. http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2010/may/05/novell-campbell-blues-saxophonist-dies-at-81/May 05 21:52
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schestowitz_Goblin: better to cite non-NetApps figsMay 05 21:52
schestowitzOh, wait... "According to Conceivably Tech, "May 05 21:53
schestowitzhttp://www.conceivablytech.com/796/science-research/internet-explorer-falls-below-60-market-share/May 05 21:53
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schestowitzBut yeah, they use Microsoft-sponsored stuff, giving it legitimacyMay 05 21:53
schestowitzSee right sideMay 05 21:54
schestowitz"Sponored by Microsoft"May 05 21:54
schestowitzIn ZDNETMay 05 21:54
schestowitzTop bar tooMay 05 21:54
schestowitzAll decorated with Microsoft adsMay 05 21:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] -> @graphicmist , You win my heart. <3 unblocked you and added in friend list RT: @graphicmist: http://narendrasisodiya.in/ dude see this !May 05 21:55
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DaemonFCschestowitz: Any way you know to find the font that a manufacturer used on a car?May 05 22:03
DaemonFCI like the font on my Taurus :)May 05 22:03
schestowitzmonitor?May 05 22:04
schestowitzOn-screen dipslay?May 05 22:04
schestowitzLogo?May 05 22:04
schestowitzPlate?May 05 22:04
MinceRiirc there's an image-based font search somewhereMay 05 22:04
schestowitzMinceR: I was just thinking about itMay 05 22:04
MinceRand another that asks you for the properties of fonts to narrow down the set of possible fontsMay 05 22:04
schestowitzSeems like a problem in need of a solutionMay 05 22:04
schestowitzit can use image signaturesMay 05 22:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] I will be floating projects at IIT-Delhi for student at 8 may 2010 saturday, 2pm to 3.30 pm. Do come if you want to do projects with me.May 05 22:05
schestowitzThat's my research areaMay 05 22:05
schestowitzBut I don't do OCRMay 05 22:05
MinceRhttp://www.myfonts.com/WhatTheFont/May 05 22:05
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] lol...the Vista Twitter Bot seems to think that my link to Internet Explorers declining market share is worth re-tweeting. #microsoft #mvpMay 05 22:23
schestowitzWhat does this site run? http://www.moneyfactory.gov/mediacenter.htmlMay 05 22:24
schestowitzhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100505/ts_alt_afp/usgovernmentcrimeinternet_20100505005426May 05 22:24
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schestowitzhttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/afp/ts_alt_afp/storytext/usgovernmentcrimeinternet/36045111/SIG=10p04ck2d/*http://Moneyfactory.govMay 05 22:24
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schestowitz"The server that hosts bep.gov.pt is located in Amadora, Portugal and is running Microsoft Windows. The server is located on the Instituto de Informatica "May 05 22:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What OS and server SW do - BEP.gov, BEP.treas.gov, Moneyfactory.gov and Moneyfactory.com run? (just been cracked)May 05 22:27
DaemonFCI called ComcastMay 05 22:28
DaemonFCthe take a hike discussionMay 05 22:28
DaemonFCpretty one sided reallyMay 05 22:28
DaemonFC"Doesn't matter why I'm cancelling, shut it all down"May 05 22:28
DaemonFC:DMay 05 22:28
DaemonFCwell, the blu ray player makes a better Netflix device than the WiiMay 05 22:29
DaemonFCadded blu ray to my Netflix :PMay 05 22:34
DaemonFCthat's what's wrong with them getting their foot inMay 05 22:34
DaemonFCyou get the $8.99 plan and eventually, you get enough upgrades that you're paying $20 :PMay 05 22:35
schestowitzWhat junk coverage:May 05 22:46
schestowitzhttp://www.mobilemarketingnews.co.uk/Microsoft_Signs_Patent_Agreement_with_HTC_for_Android_Use_542851225346.htmlMay 05 22:46
schestowitzhttp://www.toptechreviews.net/tech-news/microsoft-to-sign-a-contract-with-htc/May 05 22:46
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schestowitzit's like it's coming right out of Microsoft's PR dept.May 05 22:46
schestowitzDaemonFC: use the Internet for videoMay 05 22:47
DaemonFCschestowitz: I have Netflix streaming too :)May 05 22:47
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Seems like the FSFE site is down at the moment (headsup @karsten @fsfe )May 05 23:03
schestowitz@silner re "That link's timing out for me right now. I'll have to come back later." > yes, I've just told themMay 05 23:05
schestowitzNot good for Linux PR :-SMay 05 23:06
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schestowitzhttp://www.androidpolice.com/2010/05/02/google-acquires-bumptop-will-the-ingenious-ui-make-it-to-android/May 05 23:13
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schestowitzCheck out the messageMay 05 23:13
schestowitzMaybe Google just bought them on the cheapMay 05 23:15
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schestowitzAwful: http://cloudcomputing.sys-con.com/node/1379185/printMay 05 23:30
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schestowitzFrom MOGMay 05 23:30
schestowitz"Eucalyptus Spreads to Windows"May 05 23:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] ♺ @secretlondon: David Cameron "our only hope" says desperate propaganda rag http://twitpic.com/1lcp3x /via @AdamBienkov lame.May 05 23:33
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ThistleWebmaybe the Torries are hoping for a Jedi Mind Trick if they evoke something similar to a Star Wars lineMay 05 23:37
schestowitz*LOL*May 05 23:37
schestowitzMurdochMay 05 23:38
ThistleWeb"help me Rubie Wan Murdoch, you're our only hope"May 05 23:38
schestowitzGuess what's behind him in page 3?May 05 23:38
ThistleWebI do notice they try to evoke the past too, star wars = late 70's when Thatcher was the answerMay 05 23:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] BURN WAPPING DOWN. BURN IT TO THE GROUND. http://yfrog.com/jncm8hj FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMay 05 23:39
ThistleWebthey turned up outside my house a few days ago for a photoshoot, in 2 minis, going for the Italian Job connectionMay 05 23:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Sam took his SUSE lizard to cuddle at Sophies ballet class.One of the mums recognised it.They apparently run SUSE in their house.Awesome!May 05 23:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @popey Guess what's behind him in page 3?May 05 23:40
ThistleWebwas loads of Torrie staff, not one of them interested in talking to anyone, it's all about "get the shots of the mini with the backdrop and GTFO of here"May 05 23:40
schestowitzHehe.May 05 23:40
ThistleWebso if you see a billboard with a couple of torrie minis with an old church in the backgroundMay 05 23:40
schestowitzFox huntingMay 05 23:40
ThistleWebto be fair, I live in a scenic area, so I get the planMay 05 23:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard Guess what's behind him in page 3?May 05 23:41
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schestowitzA lot of people are upset by the Sun todayMay 05 23:41
ThistleWebI just got myself ready for someone to knock the door, so I had some questions......but like real voters ever get a look in during an election when they have plenty of party member pretending to be real votersMay 05 23:41
ThistleWeb<schestowitz> A lot of people are upset by the Sun today  <<that sounds like some superstitious society who need persuaded that the sun coming up in the morning is a good thing and nothing to be fearedMay 05 23:42
ThistleWebthat no matter what the scary preacher claimed the night beforeMay 05 23:42
schestowitzYeah, I thought about itMay 05 23:43
schestowitzI even capitalised itMay 05 23:43
ThistleWeblolMay 05 23:43
schestowitzeclipses were scaryMay 05 23:43
schestowitzWhen not understood imagine what it's like to see themMay 05 23:43
schestowitz"God getting angrey etc."May 05 23:43
ThistleWeblike George Carlin's take on it, at least worshipping the sun, it's something you can see. If you can see something it helps carry the believabilityMay 05 23:44
ThistleWebit also never lets you down, it comes up every dayMay 05 23:44
DaemonFChttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/05/AR2010050504164.html?hpid=topnewsMay 05 23:44
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schestowitzMany religions are based on the SunMay 05 23:45
DaemonFCthen they repeal it the next bailout billMay 05 23:45
DaemonFCmakesfor good PR nowMay 05 23:45
schestowitzOriginally at least... or fire, thunder, sea..May 05 23:45
ThistleWebyeah, I'm sure Murdoch has studied them all and is hoping to add another to the listMay 05 23:45
DaemonFCjust like the PAYGO statute they ignoreMay 05 23:45
ThistleWebthere is something wrong when a handful of voters in a handful of marginals get hounded all the way through an election campaign by all the parties, and the rest of the country don't see any campaigning on the groundMay 05 23:48
schestowitzhttp://thehill.com/homenews/senate/96085-divided-dems-fighting-over-wall-street-reformMay 05 23:49
schestowitzhttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/06/world/europe/06greece.html?ref=businessMay 05 23:50
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DaemonFCThistleWeb, The Teabaggers lost quite badly in our local and state primaryMay 05 23:51
DaemonFCThey kept acting al lbig and bad and like they were a credible threat to the other candidatesMay 05 23:51
schestowitzhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/05/AR2010050500269.html?nav=rss_business/industriesMay 05 23:52
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DaemonFCone of them ended up getting 8% of the vote and I think the best any of them did was 22%May 05 23:52
ThistleWebDaemonFC: yeah that group baffles me, how can any group of influential peeps be so deluded?May 05 23:52
DaemonFCThistleWeb, It only succeeded in making sure that the least "conservative" Republicans wonthe primaryMay 05 23:52
DaemonFCit had the same backfire effect as minor parties in general electionsMay 05 23:53
ThistleWebthe Republicans do seem to be trying to see who's more right wing and insane than the competitionMay 05 23:53
DaemonFCyou play to a fringe minority and you succeed in getting a frigne minority voteMay 05 23:53
DaemonFChappens every timeMay 05 23:53
*crayxmp (~crayxmp@ALille-257-1-93-201.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) has left #boycottnovell ("Leaving")May 05 23:54
DaemonFCthey're going out and trying to see how many ways they can ensure the Republican Party is not a big tent with broad supportMay 05 23:54
ThistleWebpart of me hopes asshats like Limbaugh run for leadership, to show just how insane these peeps are, but then the other part knows they have a LOT of peeps fooled into following them and voting for themMay 05 23:54
DaemonFCis what it looks likeMay 05 23:54
DaemonFCwell, I like the backfire effect of third parties, because almost all of them draw votes away from the RepublicansMay 05 23:55
DaemonFCin a winner takes all race, a bunch of right wing third parties siphoning off ens of thousands of Republican votes could conceivably alter the electionMay 05 23:56
DaemonFCthey're doing more harm than goodMay 05 23:56
DaemonFCwell, to themselvesMay 05 23:57
ThistleWebI do get the left right divide, and how some approaches suit some issues, but an all far right or left approach is always insane and counter productiveMay 05 23:57
DaemonFChttp://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/05/family-research-council-head-h.htmlMay 05 23:58
DaemonFClmfao!!!!!May 05 23:58
ThistleWebright now I see the republicans going further and further to becoing far right wing extremistsMay 05 23:58
ThistleWebto more insane you are, the more the party faithful hail you as a potential leader and next leaderMay 05 23:58
DaemonFCanti-gay organization leader hires a gay prostitute to join him on a trip to EuropeMay 05 23:59
DaemonFCto "hold the luggage"May 05 23:59
DaemonFCriiiiiiightMay 05 23:59
DaemonFChe did more to the luggage than hold it I imagineMay 05 23:59
DaemonFC:)May 05 23:59

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