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| schestowitz | US citizens: http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/632/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=3187 | May 07 00:04 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Already bored of Fiona saying "So he may have to hear the result from his hospital bed" about Nigel #ge2010 | May 07 00:05 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RationalWiki Election Night Special! rationalwiki.com/wiki/UK_General_Election,_2010/Election_night_special | May 07 00:06 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_Goblin great choice | May 07 00:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Switched to BBC HD for #ge2010 coverage. This is going to show up Jeremy Vines dodgy CGI I suspect | May 07 00:18 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODIxMw | May 07 00:18 |
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| schestowitz | Diablo-D3 is baack | May 07 00:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | what happened now? | May 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz | davidgerard gave birth | May 07 00:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | you mean his wife did? | May 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODIxMw | May 07 00:20 |
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| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: I don't know if he has a wife | May 07 00:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | then what, exactly, did he give birth to? | May 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz | Nothing, I was talking trash | May 07 00:20 |
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| schestowitz | GO geddit! | May 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz | .10 To Not Use GNOME | May 07 00:21 |
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| Diablo-D3 | btw | May 07 00:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | the gnome shell does look interesting | May 07 00:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | but I wish someone would reimplement it so its more user friendly | May 07 00:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | I do believe we need something radically new for desktops | May 07 00:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | but whatever it is probably isnt gnome shell | May 07 00:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | but the ideas behind, like I said, are interesting | May 07 00:25 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] It's like watching a sedate lawn bowls match suddenly turn into ROLLERDERBY. With FLAMETHROWERS. #ge2010 | May 07 00:47 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The rules: http://mcol.es/cJH9ii 10pm cut-dead cutoff. Whether that would stand up in court, or to LOTS OF PISSED OFF PEOPLE ... | May 07 00:48 | |
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| schestowitz | http://pcburn.com/index.php/component/content/article/1-latest/189-eken-m001-android-7q-tablet.html | May 07 00:48 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: any chance of you trying a flavour of PCLOS 2010? | May 07 00:52 |
| schestowitz | http://beginlinux.com/desktop_training/reviews/pclinuxos-2010-enlightenment-screenshots | May 07 00:52 |
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| schestowitz | http://blog.knightlust.com/?p=237 | May 07 00:59 |
| sebsebseb | hi _goblin | May 07 01:01 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Andrew Neil in "Doesn't know how to shut up" shocker #ge2010 | May 07 01:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] F5 F5 F5 F5 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH FAILWHALE TWITTER YOU UTTER UTTER BASTARD F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 #ge2010 | May 07 01:14 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8665880.stm | May 07 01:15 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Iceland arrests ex-chief of collapsed bank Kaupthing | May 07 01:16 |
| schestowitz | Heh | May 07 01:16 |
| schestowitz | I was gonna post some finance links | May 07 01:16 |
| schestowitz | But too tired | May 07 01:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, understandable | May 07 01:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/may/04/greek-protesters-storm-acropolis | May 07 01:17 |
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| schestowitz | If you insist, I can post now | May 07 01:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Significant for 6 counties politics Peter Robinson looses seat to Alliance Party | May 07 01:17 | |
| schestowitz | Anyway, I appended the iceland story | May 07 01:17 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: sorry afk.....yeah...but first Ive an interview with Wolvix dev to put up. | May 07 01:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy> this looks to be just the start of the corruption of the banking industry, or tip of the iceburg | May 07 01:18 |
| schestowitz | Nice | May 07 01:18 |
| schestowitz | [to gob] | May 07 01:18 |
| schestowitz | the iceberg, pun? | May 07 01:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | May 07 01:19 |
| schestowitz | Greece is kind of hot | May 07 01:19 |
| schestowitz | Portugal is next, I hear | May 07 01:19 |
| schestowitz | UK maybe after the US | May 07 01:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Greece has failed, bankrupt if not for the eu bailing them out | May 07 01:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | other countries not far behind | May 07 01:20 |
| schestowitz | [09:10] <schestowitz> " | May 07 01:20 |
| schestowitz | [09:10] <schestowitz> There are roughly 44.4 million home mortgages in the US - | May 07 01:20 |
| schestowitz | [09:10] <schestowitz> http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Number_of_Home_Mortgages_in_the_US | May 07 01:20 |
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| schestowitz | [09:10] <schestowitz> We have | May 07 01:20 |
| schestowitz | [09:10] <schestowitz> 14,287,340 $million or about 14 $Trillion in mortgage debt | May 07 01:20 |
| schestowitz | [09:10] <schestowitz> http://www.federalreserve.gov/econresdata/releases/mortoutstand/current.htm | May 07 01:20 |
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| schestowitz | [09:10] <schestowitz> " | May 07 01:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | even the USA has major debt, but will not fail right away | May 07 01:20 |
| schestowitz | ok, gn | May 07 01:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | gn | May 07 01:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.itproportal.com/portal/news/article/2010/5/6/microsoft-cans-newsgroups/ another ms project dies | May 07 01:22 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.pcworld.com/article/195183/oregon_schools_to_use_google_appsand_why_microsoft_should_worry.html | May 07 01:23 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://finance.yahoo.com/news/CHART-OF-THE-DAY-Has-Any-siliconalley-2074392301.html?x=0&.v=3 | May 07 01:24 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: CHART OF THE DAY: Has Any Company Lost As Much Money On The Internet As Microsoft? - Yahoo! Finance .::. Size~: 70.89 KB | May 07 01:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Last night Microsoft revealed that its Online Services Division lost $711 million in the first three months of this year. That's a jaw-dropping $2.8 billion loss annual run rate. This chart shows quarterly loses since 2005, the last time Microsoft's online operations made money. If you travel further back, Microsoft's losses become even more staggering. Since 1998, Microsoft's online division has lost over $10 bil | May 07 01:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] If they're already considering an immediate byelection in Sheffield Hallam, i suspect that'll be the least riot-inducing option elsewhere | May 07 01:25 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I wonder too how MS can lose this much money on Bing etc. Are they buying that much traffic? Or is kickbacks in play, and those at the top of MS skimming money? | May 07 01:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I mean, you really have to work hard to lose this much money. | May 07 01:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] ARGH Why the fuck does Nautilus NEED to control the background settings, it's a fucking FILE MANAGER | May 07 01:27 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-microsofts-bingmsn-results-truly-horrifying-quarterly-loss-balloons-to-713-million-2010-4 | May 07 01:27 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft's Bing/MSN Results Truly Horrifying -- Loss Rate Balloons To ~$3 Billion A Year .::. Size~: 230.5 KB | May 07 01:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "It's hard to describe how awful this business looks in isolation. We're talking about a business with plenty of scale--more than $2 billion of revenue--that is still losing more than it generates in revenue. This in an industry sector in which even the WORST competitor, AOL, is still making plenty of money. Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-microsofts-bingmsn-results-truly-horrifying-quarte | May 07 01:28 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | even AOL is making money. Something looks fishy here. Are crooks at work inside M$ cheating the stockholders? | May 07 01:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://windows8news.com/2010/05/05/windows-8-to-contain-new-anti-hacking-software/ | May 07 01:32 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | I wish MS well in its endevors to make the next Vi$ta (3, code named vaporware 8) impossible to infringe. | May 07 01:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | sadly, they are inept even doing that | May 07 01:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | if more people had to fork out bucks for windows, there will be less using it | May 07 01:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | This next link, is almost a fanboi bias site for MS, but it had one interesting line. http://opinion.globaltimes.cn/observer/2010-05/529374.html | May 07 01:35 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Global Times - Microsoft's war on piracy offers a wise lesson .::. Size~: 16.42 KB | May 07 01:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | quote; "The company reportedly earns 80 percent of its income in China from anti-piracy actions." | May 07 01:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so MS collects 80% of its revenue in Red China from legal actions, not sales | May 07 01:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | if that site is to be believed. | May 07 01:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20004222-264.html | May 07 01:39 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Top Microsoft coder heads to Google | Deep Tech - CNET News .::. Size~: 99.19 KB | May 07 01:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just saw Gordon Brown smile in a relaxed and non-freaky way in his constituency. See, he can do it. #ge2010 | May 07 01:44 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | from a comment at mini msft https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7555958&postID=5387276551041815743&pli=1 | May 07 01:54 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | "The LOSSES are actually worse. These numbers don't include the losses from Windows Live. WL is conveniently hidden under the Windows P&L. I believe that team loses another $600 Million a year. To do an apples to apples comparison with Yahoo, Google and AOL ...I would count the WL losses too....The annual loss run rate is closer to $3.4 Billion...." | May 07 01:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | referring to losses online | May 07 01:55 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #pollfail riots: i'm proud of the british people for kicking up a fucking fuss when it's warranted. #ge2010 | May 07 01:56 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Dropbox is doing it's best to persuade me not to use it, fighting Nautilus is like fighting Adobe or Apple in the default actions | May 07 01:57 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @RooftopJaxx Police amassing at #hackney town hall & helicopter overhead - que pasa? | May 07 01:59 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] DEA agents shoot innocent 14-year-old girl in the head, but deny any wrongdoing. http://ur1.ca/zcox | May 07 02:11 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I got another Linux device it looks like | May 07 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | I traded in my crappy 3 year old Nokia for a Samsung Solstice | May 07 02:25 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 07 02:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Anyone else smell Labour clinging onto power on any technicality they can find? | May 07 02:32 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] there's an Alan Pope standing in Camerons consituency, for the Monster Raving looneys. Something you want to tell us @popey | May 07 03:15 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I can see Brown doing his best Gollum on power sharing discussions "not it's buisness precious, no" as he tried to hide the keys to No10 | May 07 03:20 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I wonder how many peeps who think a hung parmilent has appeal envision a line of nooses outside the building for ellected expense scammers | May 07 03:34 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] "It'a called "the Amercian dream" because you're gonna have to be asleep to believe in." ~George Carlin | May 07 04:15 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] note the pattern to try and create reality "Brown has no moral authority, so we won" from the Tories. Who needs to count votes? | May 07 04:23 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/may/05/uk-budget-deficit-worse-than-greece | May 07 04:34 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: UK budget deficit 'to surpass Greece's as worst in EU' | Business | The Guardian .::. Size~: 180.49 KB | May 07 04:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Economists warn that if the next UK government drags its feet in reducing the deficit it could spark a downgrade from one or more of the ratings agencies that have been so swift to reassess Greece and Spain's creditworthiness. The commission's forecasts fanned those fears." | May 07 04:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "London-based economists at BNP Paribas, have warned that the City is grossly underestimating the chance of a downgrade from the UK's current top-notch AAA status. They warn that an undecided Britain is heading towards a coalition government that would create distractions from repairing the public finances - something that would raise the chance of a downgrade to almost 50%, compared with a consensus estimate of 10% | May 07 04:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | This is what happens when the govs spend beyond their means. Now with the "recession" their revenue base has largely dryed up. But the need to speed is greater to provide a stimulus. | May 07 04:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The stimulus will be largely curtained, as more banking type instantutions downgrade the status and increase the rate of interest for borrowing. | May 07 04:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Which means the recession could drag on longer. | May 07 04:39 |
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| DaemonFC | there were two recessions | May 07 04:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/31411a78-589e-11df-a0c9-00144feab49a.html?nclick_check=1 | May 07 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | the housing crisis caused by white collar criminals | May 07 04:40 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: FT.com / US / Politics & Foreign policy - White House unveils push on broadband rules .::. Size~: 33.65 KB | May 07 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | which exposed the NAFTA recession | May 07 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | which has been ongoing for years | May 07 04:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | May 07 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | it's like a sinkhole that opens up and swallows a house that seemed OK yeserday :P | May 07 04:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the worse is yet to come | May 07 04:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | What you have now, is banking companies trying to find reasons to downgrade many countries and jack up the interest rates these countries pay on borrowing. Some deserve it, others maybe not | May 07 04:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I fear this will stop the recovery | May 07 04:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not that there is one yet | May 07 04:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Reducing the debt, of these countries, means cutting jobs and programs | May 07 04:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | how do you stimulate an ecomony by cutting jobs? If the whole idea is to create jobs? | May 07 04:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The same thing is about to happen here at the Federal level | May 07 04:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it already has at most state and local levels | May 07 04:48 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | a comment from that last link: "Lets not forget it was the mortgaging of our childrens and grandchildrens futures to bail out finanical markets (who are now demanding the destruction of our public services to maintain their lifestyles) that caused this mess in the first place." | May 07 04:53 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/very-real-threat-that-greek-contagion-could-spread-to-britain-1965610.html | May 07 05:03 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: 'Very real' threat that Greek contagion could spread to Britain -Business News, Business - The Independent .::. Size~: 106.71 KB | May 07 05:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/comment/david-prosser-britains-banks-must-tell-us-how-much-greece-owes-them-1965530.html | May 07 05:04 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: David Prosser: Britain's banks must tell us how much Greece owes them -Business Comment, Business - The Independent .::. Size~: 92.78 KB | May 07 05:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/leading-articles/leading-article-europes-leaders-are-still-not-doing-enough-1965472.html | May 07 05:05 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Leading article: Europe's leaders are still not doing enough -Leading Articles, Opinion - The Independent .::. Size~: 112.06 KB | May 07 05:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] it may be a good time for a Tory govt to come in and take the blame for hefty cuts, and make them even more unellectable in the future | May 07 05:16 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] 5th anniversary of ODF was on 1May 2010. #odf http://www.adlibsoftware.com/odf-oasis-standard-five-years.aspx?blogid=353 | May 07 05:32 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Let me check .. RT: @MakeUseOf: Directory - ScribTex: Free LaTex Editor Online http://muo.fm/9B1Dxn | May 07 05:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] it would be great karma to have Brown lose by a small number, after ignoring PR since 97, until now when he's desparate for every vote | May 07 05:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Idly wondering if Baskerville has ever been surpassed as a book face. #typography http://ff.im/jXijs | May 07 05:41 | |
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| DaemonFC | They need to find a way to put bitches and 40s into Mozart and Shakespeare so they can rap them. That way, retards like that guy downstairs have a sliver of hope at getting some kind of education. Sneaky, I know... | May 07 05:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] #fail, it was for gmail password RT: @santhoshtr: Latex + Google docs integration : http://docs.latexlab.org awesome! | May 07 05:53 | |
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| DaemonFC | heh, checking out the On Demand stuff | May 07 06:27 |
| DaemonFC | cheaper than Comcast and it's almost all HD :P | May 07 06:27 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] RoarAudio is a PulseAudio replacement that fixes the worst bugs http://ur1.ca/ze68 !linux | May 07 06:41 | |
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| schestowitz | "RealNetworks shutting down satellite offices in San Francisco, elsewhere, closing down projects etc. #pcbuzz" http://twitter.com/josephtartakoff/statuses/13508393929 | May 07 07:14 |
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| schestowitz | Chips posted some good links here | May 07 07:15 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] I don't think that anybody put license on RSS feed. most of the rss feeds are in public domain. #rss #fun #license #web | May 07 07:16 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] theres a new Tory MP called Tracy Trout, no doubt the headlines will be about swimming against the current etc | May 07 07:20 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I wonder if Clarke will claim his £10 bet on himself, on his expenses, as a final "fuck you" to the ungrateful bastards who voted him out | May 07 07:23 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] McCreevy said that he would never again permit the issue of software patentability to become a subject of EU legislation http://ur1.ca/zegt | May 07 07:42 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'CEO Hayward boasted that, despite increased oil production..he cut #BP's costs by $1bln/yr. Now we know how he did... http://ff.im/jXxmB | May 07 07:44 | |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Free_and_Open_Software:_Paradigm_for_a_New_Intellectual_Commons | May 07 07:56 |
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| schestowitz | "That means you’re two clicks away from not having any advertising on the net anymore. All you need to do is google “Adblock Plus”, and say “I’m feeling lucky”, [Laughter] thank you very much." | May 07 07:56 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: could you give this a look and maybe vote? http://www.fsdaily.com/Opposition/Behind_the_Open_Codec_FUD_Attack_W3C_Captured_by_Microsoft_Apple_Nokia_and_So_On/who_voted | May 07 07:58 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz, voted | May 07 08:00 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: I have a good lecture for you to watch.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbcy_ZxXLl8 | May 07 08:00 |
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| schestowitz | Its' about opportunities with commons | May 07 08:00 |
| schestowitz | This helps explain the goals of Free software | May 07 08:00 |
| schestowitz | Might help the Microsoft-washed masses to understand the unethical effect of their actions | May 07 08:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Controversial aspects of European patent reform include software patentability, software patents in Europe v3.0: http://ur1.ca/zep1 | May 07 08:11 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Is Google needed at all for anything but Web search and maybe video? | May 07 08:24 | |
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| schestowitz | Watch the image at 3m:30s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JcoN3zArSM&NR=1 | May 07 08:39 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @schestowitz Interesting to see if the parts of google expansion that have been a defensive reaction to MS continue when threat is gone. | May 07 08:42 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] #ukvote So far so good, If I cross my fingers just a little harder then maybe the next election will be under proportional representation. | May 07 08:51 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @satipera I see a lot of municipalities/universities/businesses giving Google their data; they don't need to. Search is an exception. | May 07 09:04 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @schestowitz Frankly, I am fed up of nosy governments and companies collecting information about me and generally logging my life. | May 07 09:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Eben Moglen: #Microsoft Would Call Its #GNU #Linux Distribution 'Novell' http://ur1.ca/zezt Video from last year shows a revealing remark | May 07 09:16 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I invite everyone to watch this video: http://is.gd/bYa8Z | May 07 09:22 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post | Initial Election Thoughts | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/3x8wqpz | May 07 09:33 | |
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| tessier | What's going on? | May 07 09:38 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft is caught lying again, by essentially patching serious flaws while hiding their very existence http://ur1.ca/zf4v #security | May 07 09:47 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft lost over $10 billion online and the number keeps increasing at several billions per year http://ur1.ca/zf64 #debt #google | May 07 09:54 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] If you were turned away from the polls, you can and should sue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8666338.stm | May 07 09:54 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Congratulations to @stellacreasy! (Labour, Walthamstow) | May 07 09:59 | |
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| Omar87 | A friend of mine is asked me whether its better to install Red Hat or CentOS, any advice? | May 07 10:06 |
| tessier | Deped | May 07 10:06 |
| tessier | Depends | May 07 10:06 |
| tessier | Can he afford to buy RedHat? Does he need the support? | May 07 10:06 |
| Omar87 | omit("is") | May 07 10:06 |
| tessier | If the answer to either is no then use CentOS | May 07 10:07 |
| Omar87 | tessier, I don't think so. | May 07 10:07 |
| Omar87 | tessier, but then again, is it illegal to get Red Hat for free? | May 07 10:07 |
| oiaohm | No its not illegal | May 07 10:08 |
| oiaohm | But you don't have the login for the update server either Omar87 | May 07 10:08 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, I see. | May 07 10:08 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, yeah you need to pay to get that. That's right. | May 07 10:08 |
| Omar87 | Thanks all. | May 07 10:08 |
| oiaohm | Redhat has the best anti nick system going. | May 07 10:11 |
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| Omar87 | oiaohm, anti nick? | May 07 10:13 |
| oiaohm | Using software without paying something. Omar87 | May 07 10:13 |
| oiaohm | Redhat basically has it done that you use there product you will pay something. | May 07 10:14 |
| oiaohm | Ok maybe the most entry level. | May 07 10:14 |
| oiaohm | then you get to like there service and pay more. | May 07 10:14 |
| oiaohm | Its quite a good system. | May 07 10:14 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm yeah. | May 07 10:18 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] #ukvote Tories suddenly do not like the electoral system and want Labour to be nice chaps and step aside for them. | May 07 10:34 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft essentially shuts down its newsgroups with a call for withdrawal http://ur1.ca/zfcc | May 07 10:35 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] "What's wrong with the UPLS?" Presentation at KnowRights2010 conference, EU software patents v3.0: http://ur1.ca/zfdb | May 07 10:40 | |
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| oiaohm | Really shutdown newsgroups is a sign of how many people are now rouge. | May 07 10:47 |
| oiaohm | I missed predicting redhat vs vmware | May 07 10:51 |
| oiaohm | O well | May 07 10:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Clegg/Cameron deal FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK | May 07 11:03 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] No country will allow their companies to be discriminated in profit of Central-EU, US and JP big multinationals. Forget! http://ur1.ca/zfqg | May 07 11:14 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New ‘piracy’ propaganda from #Microsoft China; #BSA is looking for snitches; #Vista 8 is said to crack down http://ur1.ca/zftb | May 07 11:24 | |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: is there a new identity for the back door? | May 07 11:31 |
| schestowitz | I can't find the reference is any exists | May 07 11:31 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: are you there? | May 07 11:35 |
| oiaohm | Yep schestowitz bounty hunting. | May 07 11:37 |
| schestowitz | I seem to recall reading somthing yesterday about the harmonisation getting yet another clothing/name, but I can't find it. | May 07 11:37 |
| schestowitz | *something | May 07 11:38 |
| oiaohm | Just like MS bounty against virus writers. | May 07 11:38 |
| oiaohm | As if that really did anything. | May 07 11:39 |
| schestowitz | Where? | May 07 11:49 |
| schestowitz | I know the PR tricks | May 07 11:49 |
| schestowitz | Like Conficker | May 07 11:49 |
| schestowitz | Showing Microsoft as the anti-Conficker hero rather than the reason | May 07 11:49 |
| oiaohm | Same really with the anti-pirate stuff. | May 07 11:53 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft was never a hero :) | May 07 11:56 |
| oiaohm | The anti-Conficker stuff was just an attempt to smoke screen. | May 07 11:57 |
| oiaohm | Same with the anti pirate stuff in china. | May 07 11:57 |
| oiaohm | Having people suspecting snitches. Prevents people from waking up that IP addresses are trackable to a end user. | May 07 11:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Extorts #GNU / #Linux While Distorting the Meaning of “Open Source” http://ur1.ca/zfyl | May 07 12:02 | |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: what's that australian patent what's funded by taxpayers? | May 07 12:05 |
| schestowitz | *Patent research centre | May 07 12:05 |
| schestowitz | I can't recall the acronym | May 07 12:05 |
| schestowitz | CSIRO | May 07 12:06 |
| schestowitz | Never mind, found it | May 07 12:06 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, have you seen this: | May 07 12:06 |
| cubezzz | http://www.osnews.com/comments/23252 | May 07 12:06 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] IPKat: Teams of programmers invent technical solutions to problems, and those solutions may be protected by patents http://ur1.ca/zfzj | May 07 12:09 | |
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| oiaohm | People thinking patents will pay long term. Forget some day MAD will happen with patents. Results will be a complete mess. | May 07 12:11 |
| cubezzz | it's already pretty messy | May 07 12:12 |
| cubezzz | some countries are just going to ignore sw patents | May 07 12:12 |
| oiaohm | Nokia and Intel both hold hardware class patents. | May 07 12:16 |
| oiaohm | So Linux MAD shield from them is down right scary. | May 07 12:17 |
| oiaohm | Since they will be able to attack anyone who attacks them in every country. | May 07 12:17 |
| zoobab | pong | May 07 12:18 |
| zoobab | UPLS/Community Patent | May 07 12:18 |
| zoobab | you can name the Community Patent, because everybody knows it | May 07 12:19 |
| zoobab | there will be 5 different pieces of regulation | May 07 12:19 |
| oiaohm | In my eyes the IP war against Linux is over all bar a little bit of kicking and screaming from companies like MS. | May 07 12:21 |
| zoobab | we need to call for a new directive and national clarifications | May 07 12:21 |
| zoobab | make the whole thing explode again | May 07 12:21 |
| oiaohm | Remember attacking fedora would put you as a direct attacker against Meego. | May 07 12:21 |
| oiaohm | Same with many other distrobutions. | May 07 12:22 |
| zoobab | EPO and Microsoft are pushing hard for this court | May 07 12:22 |
| oiaohm | Its over zoobab | May 07 12:22 |
| zoobab | war is never over | May 07 12:22 |
| oiaohm | Even if MS wins all they will be signing is there death warnent. | May 07 12:22 |
| zoobab | sure | May 07 12:22 |
| oiaohm | All they will do is make Nokia IBM and Intels stock piles stronger agaisnt them. | May 07 12:23 |
| zoobab | they are already suffering a lot | May 07 12:23 |
| zoobab | arms race does not work | May 07 12:23 |
| oiaohm | I am now just waiting for the MAD event. | May 07 12:23 |
| zoobab | exactly | May 07 12:23 |
| zoobab | fireworks | May 07 12:23 |
| oiaohm | Were we see a company go completey by by due to patents. | May 07 12:23 |
| oiaohm | Most likely MS. | May 07 12:23 |
| zoobab | MS is very weak, they have only 2 products: Office and Windows | May 07 12:24 |
| oiaohm | The meego agreement from intel and nokia ended the game. | May 07 12:24 |
| zoobab | once they got injunctions they cannot "code around" on those 2 products, they are dead | May 07 12:24 |
| oiaohm | Meego agreement is not like the OIN agreement. | May 07 12:24 |
| zoobab | url? | May 07 12:24 |
| oiaohm | Meego is fully offensive. | May 07 12:25 |
| zoobab | where is it? | May 07 12:25 |
| zoobab | I have not heard about it | May 07 12:25 |
| oiaohm | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/04/meego_linux_mobile_android_microsoft/ | May 07 12:26 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Nokia and Intel defensive on MeeGo Linux patents • The Register .::. Size~: 36.6 KB | May 07 12:26 |
| oiaohm | Both Intel and Nokia have promissed to use there full patent stock pile against anyone who attacks Meego. | May 07 12:26 |
| oiaohm | Yes anyone using meego is sitting behind Intel and nokia patent shield. zoobab | May 07 12:27 |
| zoobab | this does not work against trolls | May 07 12:28 |
| oiaohm | Thinking intel rights to enforce IBM patent for being a patent troll | May 07 12:28 |
| zoobab | shields like OIN do not work against trolls, OIN CEO said it so some years ago | May 07 12:28 |
| zoobab | http://epla.ffii.org/forum/t-240045/what-s-wrong-with-the-upls-presentation-at-knowrights2010-conference | May 07 12:29 |
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| oiaohm | Simple problem here Trolls must talk to Nokia and intel | May 07 12:29 |
| oiaohm | No one else need to listern to them instead just direct them to Nokia and intel | May 07 12:29 |
| oiaohm | Its over even for trolls. zoobab | May 07 12:30 |
| zoobab | if a company uses Meegoo, they will sue the company | May 07 12:30 |
| zoobab | now if Intel or Nokia wants to join the lawsuit, they can go on | May 07 12:30 |
| oiaohm | What they will. | May 07 12:30 |
| oiaohm | Thinking meego is a product of Intel and Nokia and that the company using Meego is just the end user. | May 07 12:31 |
| zoobab | but shields do not work if the patent is strong | May 07 12:31 |
| oiaohm | So the troll as no right to bring a company case against the end user. | May 07 12:31 |
| oiaohm | So game over troll | May 07 12:31 |
| oiaohm | You now have to price talk with nokia and intel. | May 07 12:31 |
| zoobab | of course they have the right, recent example with the NFL lawsuit | May 07 12:32 |
| oiaohm | Hopefully you are doing nothing Nokia or Intel can hit you worse for than the value of the patent you hold. | May 07 12:32 |
| oiaohm | Ie MAD | May 07 12:32 |
| zoobab | http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/business/Paymaster-v-Grace | May 07 12:32 |
| oiaohm | Game is over. | May 07 12:32 |
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| zoobab | Just last week it filed a lawsuit against the National Basketball Association (NBA) and has also brought cases against ESPN, the NFL and Yahoo. | May 07 12:32 |
| zoobab | "Just last week it filed a lawsuit against the National Basketball Association (NBA) and has also brought cases against ESPN, the NFL and Yahoo. " | May 07 12:32 |
| zoobab | I don't think the NFL spends their time developing interactive apps | May 07 12:33 |
| zoobab | they better use third party applications | May 07 12:33 |
| oiaohm | Most people are not aware that meego even before its full releases is already spreed out threw many distributions. | May 07 12:34 |
| oiaohm | So its too late for it to fade away. | May 07 12:34 |
| oiaohm | Remember Nokia and Intels Linux OS's before meego had the same protection agreement. zoobab | May 07 12:36 |
| oiaohm | Not once did MS bring a case against either. | May 07 12:36 |
| oiaohm | Trolls don't want to go head to head with big legal teams that can fight out to the end of time either zoobab | May 07 12:37 |
| zoobab | sure | May 07 12:39 |
| oiaohm | Also the problem with the Nokia Intel protection agreement is they can tag team the troll | May 07 12:39 |
| zoobab | but this kind of agreement is a doable thing for small companies | May 07 12:40 |
| zoobab | because they do not have patent portfolios | May 07 12:40 |
| zoobab | so patent shields are for the big guys | May 07 12:40 |
| oiaohm | Intel depends on small companies to make products to sell their chips. | May 07 12:40 |
| zoobab | it gives them a competitive advantage that the small company cannot provide | May 07 12:41 |
| oiaohm | So its important for intel to protect them. | May 07 12:41 |
| zoobab | and this is this competitive advantage Novell and IBM are talking about when they talk about Linux | May 07 12:41 |
| zoobab | come to us, we will protect you | May 07 12:41 |
| oiaohm | Nokia also produces lots of chips for other companies. | May 07 12:42 |
| oiaohm | At some point the chip makers had to enter the protect end user game. | May 07 12:42 |
| oiaohm | At that point the patent shield style changes. | May 07 12:43 |
| oiaohm | IBM patent shield style requires you to join. | May 07 12:43 |
| zoobab | you just need to be a customer | May 07 12:43 |
| oiaohm | customer of what form. | May 07 12:43 |
| oiaohm | Buying chips yes. | May 07 12:44 |
| oiaohm | so anyone making devices is a customer to Intel. | May 07 12:44 |
| oiaohm | Same with anyone using those devices. | May 07 12:44 |
| oiaohm | The big thing all these who wanted to use patents to control open source have over looked. | May 07 12:44 |
| oiaohm | There are some in the IT game that everyone is a customer they must protect. | May 07 12:45 |
| oiaohm | Game is basically over bar some kicking and screaming before the trolls and patent collectors have worked out what has happened. | May 07 12:46 |
| oiaohm | Not like MS can decide to be agreesive against intel. zoobab | May 07 12:46 |
| zoobab | Intel and MS has always been in the same bed | May 07 12:48 |
| oiaohm | What platform does intel design their chips on. Ie what platform butters their bread. | May 07 12:48 |
| oiaohm | zoobab: Linux is the platform they chip design on. | May 07 12:49 |
| oiaohm | MS was just a company to use to sell product nothing more | May 07 12:49 |
| oiaohm | Attack Linux attack how Intel makes money directly. zoobab | May 07 12:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Slashdot: Canonical Explains Decision to License H.264 For Ubuntu: http://ur1.ca/zg7g | May 07 12:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Got a Athlon XP system from my brother Han today. 1 GiB RAM, Cool Nvdida GPU and SoundBlaster Live. | May 07 12:52 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Installing Kubuntu 10.04 on it now! | May 07 12:52 | |
| oiaohm | Can you now see why attacking Linux particularly intels own form is really bad for any company stupid enough todo it. | May 07 12:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Oop GiB RAM == 1 GIB RAM | May 07 12:53 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] The old Dell OptiPlex GX240 goe to a friend of another brother. | May 07 12:54 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Time to book BoycottUbuntu.com? TheRegister: Canonical explains Ubuntu unfree video choice http://ur1.ca/zg8b | May 07 12:55 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Time to call for a new software patent directive in the European Union, UPLS is becoming too dangerous: http://ur1.ca/zegt | May 07 12:58 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Sorry for the typos, I am so freaking exited ;-) | May 07 12:58 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] How much did Canonical spent on the H264 patent license for Ubuntu? Ask them please. | May 07 12:59 | |
| cubezzz | these min-itx motherboards, I assume you need a special case? | May 07 13:05 |
| cubezzz | it's board looks rather interesting: Intel D945GCLF | May 07 13:05 |
| cubezzz | supported by coreboot, has video, sound and cpu built-in | May 07 13:05 |
| cubezzz | it's=this | May 07 13:05 |
| cubezzz | I think you could even run open video driver with it | May 07 13:06 |
| cubezzz | totally open computer | May 07 13:06 |
| schestowitz | [12:06] <cubezzz> schestowitz, have you seen this: | May 07 13:06 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I did a post about it | May 07 13:06 |
| cubezzz | ah ok | May 07 13:06 |
| cubezzz | of course, it's all intel, but still interesting | May 07 13:07 |
| cubezzz | the whole computer would be 8.7"x 5.1"x 11.8" | May 07 13:08 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: thanks for the clarification | May 07 13:08 |
| schestowitz | I'm doing a post about it at the moment | May 07 13:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] RT: @hiddenharmony: New Blog Post "Why designers should learn HTML5" at http://bit.ly/dCzxPS #html5 #web | May 07 13:20 | |
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| cubezzz | hmmm, intel is talking about Xfree86 source available | May 07 13:21 |
| cubezzz | OEMs should really be selling computers with a Linux option | May 07 13:22 |
| oiaohm | Not key part of game yet. | May 07 13:23 |
| oiaohm | Winning the mobile platform war is more critical than desktop. | May 07 13:23 |
| cubezzz | Intel has a pretty wide open motherboard | May 07 13:25 |
| cubezzz | with coreboot support and an open video driver | May 07 13:25 |
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| oiaohm | Of course they want to sell it to device builders. Who may want to 100 percent customise. cubezzz | May 07 13:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Symptoms of the Sickness of the #Patent System and #Apple ’s Infinite Greed http://ur1.ca/zgd3 | May 07 13:26 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Memorybits do make me chuckle with their spam "20% off with code hung20" | May 07 13:29 | |
| cubezzz | found another one: DG43RK | May 07 13:37 |
| cubezzz | micro-atx though | May 07 13:37 |
| cubezzz | I guess that is still different from laptop form factor | May 07 13:38 |
| zoobab | they still have a // port | May 07 13:43 |
| zoobab | and they do not run on 12V | May 07 13:43 |
| cubezzz | someone could sell a totally open computer with new hardware | May 07 13:45 |
| cubezzz | of course there is lemote but... | May 07 13:46 |
| cubezzz | I was thinking more like a desktop of some sort | May 07 13:46 |
| cubezzz | well I have all the intel motherboard specs, and the list of video chipsets which are open | May 07 13:48 |
| oiaohm | So you have not worked out what they are for. | May 07 13:48 |
| oiaohm | Does thin clients give you the hint. cubezzz | May 07 13:49 |
| cubezzz | no I don't want thin client | May 07 13:51 |
| cubezzz | so far Intel D945GCLF looks the most interesting | May 07 13:52 |
| cubezzz | yes, it is the best | May 07 13:53 |
| cubezzz | only one with coreboot v4 support plus open video driver | May 07 13:53 |
| cubezzz | my goal is to have a totally open computer... | May 07 13:53 |
| cubezzz | intel even has notes so you can write your own video driver | May 07 13:54 |
| MinceR | except for GMA 500 and GMA 600, which aren't really intel GPUs :> | May 07 13:55 |
| cubezzz | no, I know to stay away from GMA 500 | May 07 13:55 |
| cubezzz | and the problem with old school Amiga 1200 is the video monitor needs to sync all the way down to 15 khz | May 07 13:56 |
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| MinceR | cubezzz: do you require open circuit diagrams as well or only driver APIs and the like? | May 07 13:58 |
| cubezzz | mostly this is open from the programmer's point of view | May 07 13:59 |
| cubezzz | I can always buy the Amiga 1200 _and_ the Intel® Desktop Board D945GCLF | May 07 13:59 |
| cubezzz | the older tech might also be easier to repair | May 07 14:00 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, what does "The Deer Hunter" movie poster have to do with Microsoft's commercial suicide? :f | May 07 14:02 |
| Omar87 | :D | May 07 14:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ‘IP’ People Want to Add Software Patents to New Zealand and Europe http://ur1.ca/zgjm #swpats | May 07 14:06 | |
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| schestowitz | [12:24] <zoobab> MS is very weak, they have only 2 products: Office and Windows | May 07 14:12 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 07 14:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @glynmoody: Canadian Writers Guild Wants 'You Must Be A Criminal' Tax On Both Distribution And Storage Of Content - http://bit.ly/cpSDS2 | May 07 14:13 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @schestowitz Thanks very much for the Eben Moglen video, it's very good! I haven't watched it all yet, but I will soon. Thanks again. :-) | May 07 14:14 | |
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| schestowitz | [12:59] [Notice] -BNtwitter to #boycottnovell- [zoobab] How much did Canonical spent on the H264 patent license for Ubuntu? Ask them please. | May 07 14:18 |
| schestowitz | Did you see my post from yesterday? | May 07 14:18 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: nope | May 07 14:19 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/05/06/ubuntu-and-h-264-tax/ | May 07 14:19 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: Canonical blames OEMs. http://techrights.org/2010/05/06/ubuntu-and-h-264-tax/ | May 07 14:19 |
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| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: I meant zoobab, sorry :-) | May 07 14:19 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: and thats why I would rather go with Fedora or Red Hat. | May 07 14:20 |
| schestowitz | [14:02] <Omar87> schestowitz, what does "The Deer Hunter" movie poster have to do with Microsoft's commercial suicide? :f | May 07 14:20 |
| schestowitz | Russian Roulette | May 07 14:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @omar_s_hafez glad you liked it | May 07 14:20 | |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: yes, esp. now | May 07 14:20 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: did you hear about MS's release of their new overpriced Kin (Sidekick v2.0) phones? | May 07 14:21 |
| schestowitz | It's dead | May 07 14:21 |
| schestowitz | They sell man b00bs | May 07 14:21 |
| schestowitz | That's why it got press coverage | May 07 14:21 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: lol | May 07 14:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c2coff=1&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&q=kin+phone+boob&aq=f&aqi=&aql=f&oq=&gs_rfai= | May 07 14:21 |
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| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: not to mention "sexting" | May 07 14:21 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: I always wondered if MS's employee campus culture is like some big brodeo of a fraternity or something? Its as though even their employees can't even follow the appearance of an open source policy: http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/05/04/179248/Microsoftnobr-wbrnobrNET-Libraries-Not-Acting-Open-Source?from=rss | May 07 14:24 |
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| schestowitz | ABout 10k Microsoft employee use hypePhones | May 07 14:26 |
| schestowitz | many use Linux (Android) | May 07 14:26 |
| MinceR | their culture is like a bacterium culture -- they consume resources and spread as long as they can | May 07 14:26 |
| schestowitz | to use the Slashdot joke, only old people in Korea will use Kin | May 07 14:26 |
| schestowitz | To commemorate Kim Sung | May 07 14:27 |
| schestowitz | Their dead-yet-eternally-alive leader | May 07 14:27 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: I seriously hope the Kin flops, you can get so much more by buying a Palm Pre Plus from Verizon Wireless and they are selling it for only $29.99 now with contract. The two Kins will be selling for $49.99 and $99.99 respectively for what essential is an updated Sidekick with a new form factor. | May 07 14:28 |
| MinceR | :> | May 07 14:28 |
| MinceR | is kin meant to replace sidekick? | May 07 14:28 |
| Ziomatrix | MinceR: the Kin is basically a new Sidekick that focuses more on Social Networking | May 07 14:29 |
| MinceR | is it still netbsd-based? | May 07 14:29 |
| Ziomatrix | MinceR: I thought the OS had more in common with the Zune | May 07 14:30 |
| MinceR | the sidekicks were, afaik | May 07 14:30 |
| Ziomatrix | MinceR: not entirely sure but I do know like the Sidekick it completely relies on services from a remote cloud. | May 07 14:31 |
| MinceR | ic | May 07 14:31 |
| Ziomatrix | MinceR: and just like the Sidekick if those servers go down so will their Kin: http://www.mobilecomputermag.co.uk/200910121497/server-crash-wipes-out-sidekick-user-data-in-us | May 07 14:32 |
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| MinceR | :> | May 07 14:32 |
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| Ziomatrix | MinceR: the proof is in the pudding of their press releases: http://tinyurl.com/26pq3e4 Verizon is even having people require to sign up for the $29.99 unlimited dataplan to use it. Whoever chooses that phone over a Palm Pre or Android handset need some serious talking to. However, I am sure Verizon sales reps will be dropping the Droid and pushing those phones like there's no tomorrow, so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised if | May 07 14:36 |
| Ziomatrix | sells decently. | May 07 14:36 |
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| schestowitz | [14:28] <Ziomatrix> schestowitz: I seriously hope the Kin flops, you can get so much more by buying a Palm Pre Plus from Verizon Wireless and they are selling it for only $29.99 now with contract. The two Kins will be selling for $49.99 and $99.99 respectively for what essential is an updated Sidekick with a new form factor. | May 07 14:37 |
| schestowitz | Yes, HP carries it now | May 07 14:37 |
| schestowitz | Expanding the ecosystem of Pre apps to tablets perhaps | May 07 14:38 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, it's Linux and HTML, so portability is not an issue | May 07 14:38 |
| schestowitz | My brother has reached a milestone today building an app for Android | May 07 14:38 |
| schestowitz | Teleconferencing | May 07 14:38 |
| schestowitz | [14:28] <MinceR> is kin meant to replace sidekick? | May 07 14:38 |
| schestowitz | Kicking it to the side | May 07 14:38 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: I just hope HP can pick up on marketing and at least peddle even half as much to VZW as M$ is to get them to promote the Pres. | May 07 14:39 |
| schestowitz | HP does business with Google, I think | May 07 14:39 |
| schestowitz | Dell too | May 07 14:39 |
| schestowitz | But HP doesn't profit from Android | May 07 14:39 |
| schestowitz | Nor hype* (Apple) | May 07 14:39 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: nice... anyway he could port that to WebOS? Ever since Google Voice broke compatibility with a 3rd party app for it and no sign of Skype ever being developed such an application is severely lacking in the Palm community. | May 07 14:40 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is keen [pun] to pass 5% market share | May 07 14:40 |
| schestowitz | I used to be "Palm community" | May 07 14:41 |
| schestowitz | Ages ago | May 07 14:41 |
| schestowitz | 2006 is where I lost hope in them... still using one though | May 07 14:41 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: can the Pre handle Universal Connector? | May 07 14:41 |
| *schestowitz doubts it | May 07 14:41 | |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: But he would be basically cornering the market on WebOS :-P. He can probably even get away with charging $10 or a little bit more for it. | May 07 14:42 |
| Aondo | my hope lies with meego now :D | May 07 14:42 |
| oiaohm | Hope is not only with meego | May 07 14:42 |
| MinceR | afaik palm forgot about the Universal Connector ages ago | May 07 14:43 |
| oiaohm | Aondo: meego protection is way broader than most people think. | May 07 14:43 |
| oiaohm | Remember Fedora will have big sections of meego inside. | May 07 14:43 |
| oiaohm | Same with many other distrobutions. | May 07 14:43 |
| oiaohm | Welcome to unified Linux. | May 07 14:44 |
| Aondo | it feels to me what android should have been | May 07 14:44 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: I agree with someone on Palmcast who mentioned that ever since Palm's infusion with capital from Elevated Partners and Jon among other execs getting in Charge Palm had essentially become a startup company. Startup companies tend to have the choice of a. becoming largely successful, b. going out of business or c. being acquired by a larger company that sees some sort of potential in it. And Palm went with option c. | May 07 14:44 |
| oiaohm | Read meego description its targeting everything. Aondo | May 07 14:44 |
| Aondo | i know :D | May 07 14:44 |
| oiaohm | android was targeted at the phone market. | May 07 14:44 |
| oiaohm | Intersting would be if android and meego merge. | May 07 14:45 |
| Ziomatrix | MinceR: that connector was pretty much replaced by a mini-USB | May 07 14:45 |
| Aondo | wont happen, it will only merge on the kernel level i guess | May 07 14:45 |
| schestowitz | http://pcburn.com/index.php/component/content/article/1-latest/189-eken-m001-android-7q-tablet.html | May 07 14:45 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: no! | May 07 14:45 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: true | May 07 14:45 |
| schestowitz | My keyboard still works with it though... until the PDA breaks | May 07 14:46 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: seriously I don't want to see a "Big 3" of the mobile smartphone market. | May 07 14:46 |
| schestowitz | What's with Palm and ACCESS? | May 07 14:46 |
| MinceR | Ziomatrix: and it's a probably device-side miniUSB then, so no peripherals can be connected | May 07 14:46 |
| schestowitz | I never figured out the relationship 100% | May 07 14:46 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: or until the PDA refuses to boot again :> | May 07 14:47 |
| oiaohm | Ziomatrix: merged open source never creates a domination event. | May 07 14:47 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: well thanks to some Japanese investment firm that invested a lot into Palm and put a huge amount of shares in it thought it would be a good idea for OS licensing purposes to split Palm into two companies. PalmOne being the hardware and PalmSource being the software. | May 07 14:47 |
| oiaohm | Google intel and nokia will be working with each other at Linux kernel level anyhow. | May 07 14:48 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: PalmSource was latter acquired by a company named ACCESS after PalmSource acquired some company called China Mobilesoft | May 07 14:48 |
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| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: after a spat with PalmOne over super inflated licensing fees to accept Cobalt OS 6 because Sony pulled out of the Palm PDA market, PalmOne settled on obtaining the Garnet OS5 sourcecode among the rest of the Palm software trademark and they parted their separate ways. After ACCESS failed at selling Cobalt OS to anyone else they were last working on some mobile distro called Windriver Linux. | May 07 14:50 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: PalmOne renamed itself back to Palm and the rest is history | May 07 14:51 |
| MinceR | so that's why Cobalt and ALP never got anywhere | May 07 14:51 |
| oiaohm | Of course we have likes of dell and hp that are going to be in the phone market. | May 07 14:52 |
| Ziomatrix | MinceR: yep it pretty much got stuck in limbo despite ACCESS making updates to it and having dev devices ready to distribute until 2006. | May 07 14:52 |
| Ziomatrix | MinceR: I want to see one of those Cobalt OS dev devices turn up on eBay sometime :-P | May 07 14:53 |
| Ziomatrix | MinceR: afaik so its ACCESS that has all the patents and trademarks for BeOS and not Palm | May 07 14:53 |
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| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: thanks, great explanation | May 07 14:57 |
| schestowitz | [14:53] <Ziomatrix> MinceR: afaik so its ACCESS that has all the patents and trademarks for BeOS and not Palm | May 07 14:58 |
| Ziomatrix | schedstowitz: thats just a summary that probably brushes over many factors that I even don't know about, of course I am bias with Palm as well. I'm sure someone at ACCESS would have a slightly different tale to tell. | May 07 14:58 |
| schestowitz | Maybe those delusional megalomaniacs will become a troll | May 07 14:58 |
| schestowitz | It's the only way they can make a penny now, with their crappy products | May 07 14:58 |
| schestowitz | By "Troll" I mean "patent troll", not just an "Internet troll" (they already do that, too) | May 07 14:59 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: don't worry I think most of us know that the term for troll applies different here then on most other channels ;-), has there been evidence of ACCESS employees or execs trolling online? | May 07 15:01 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: I just thought most people blamed Palm for the mess out of ignorance. | May 07 15:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Clegg isn't dumb enough to fall for "committee of enquiry." Surely. | May 07 15:02 | |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: even though I don't doubt that ACCESS will go on a patent based lawsuit spree to keep those execs paid and the appearance of a functioning business. | May 07 15:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] http://bit.ly/9CyKs1 is the background on Sams logon on the computer. He loves it! | May 07 15:03 | |
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| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: "the world's leading provider of software solutions for mobile and for beyond the PC." really? http://www.access-company.com/ | May 07 15:05 |
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| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: if you look on their webpage the main product they seem to be promoting of theirs' is this Netfront web browser and "mobile client suite" which they announced is being ported to Android. I don't know if its just me but it seems to be akin to a more well funded and staffed version of the shell of a company that simply tried to make money off of a trademark that was Amiga.inc which mysteriously closed its doors after | May 07 15:09 |
| Ziomatrix | conclusion of a legal spat with Hyperion Entertainment, who are now the primary developers and distributors of Amiga OS4. | May 07 15:09 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: so does this mean there is no dedicated open source driver for AMD Radeon GPUs? | May 07 15:10 |
| Ziomatrix | from now on if you prefer I use a url link mask for corporate links let me know. | May 07 15:11 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: many of Netfront's features seem to me like a completely closed-source commercial version of Skyfire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMEpCIM-5sY | May 07 15:15 |
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| schestowitz |  | May 07 15:16 |
| schestowitz | [15:01] <Ziomatrix> schestowitz: don't worry I think most of us know that the term for troll applies different here then on most other channels ;-), has there been evidence of ACCESS employees or execs trolling online? | May 07 15:16 |
| schestowitz | Did you not see what happened in Boycott Novell and elsewhere? | May 07 15:16 |
| schestowitz | 2009 | May 07 15:16 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: I was looking on the website at that time, but is there anyway you can help refresh my memory? | May 07 15:16 |
| schestowitz | [15:05] <Ziomatrix> schestowitz: "the world's leading provider of software solutions for mobile and for beyond the PC." really? http://www.access-company.com/ | May 07 15:17 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: ACCESS | Advanced Software Solutions for Mobile and Beyond PC | NetFront Browser | ACCESS Linux Platform .::. Size~: 7.76 KB | May 07 15:17 |
| schestowitz | They are delusional | May 07 15:17 |
| schestowitz | MinceR knows | May 07 15:17 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | May 07 15:17 |
| schestowitz | <Ziomatrix> schestowitz: if you look on their webpage the main product they seem to be promoting of theirs' is this Netfront web browser and "mobile client suite" which they announced is being ported to Android. I | May 07 15:17 |
| schestowitz | They hate Anroid | May 07 15:17 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: ok, I guess they follow closely with MS/Novell and Broadcom tactics. | May 07 15:17 |
| schestowitz | Now they serve it like puppies :-) | May 07 15:18 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: trolling for posts, fake reviews and ect. | May 07 15:18 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: do site search for ACCESS | May 07 15:18 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: lol yea, but its a little too late as their suite competes with the very competent Webkit based browser and now Firefox too. | May 07 15:18 |
| schestowitz | In techrights/search. | May 07 15:18 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/search | May 07 15:19 |
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| schestowitz | Firefox came to Maemo/MeeGo too.... 1.1 | May 07 15:19 |
| schestowitz | This hopefully means ogg | May 07 15:19 |
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| schestowitz | I've put like 500 ogg files in techrights so far... maybe 8000 | May 07 15:20 |
| schestowitz | *800 | May 07 15:20 |
| schestowitz | So for people without Flash and MPEG LA patents who are looking for videos on the Web, techrights is a good place to look | May 07 15:20 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: nice, I hope indie film makers start figure out ways to avoid anything MPEG | May 07 15:21 |
| schestowitz | But.. | May 07 15:22 |
| schestowitz | What about DVD? | May 07 15:22 |
| schestowitz | And players? | May 07 15:23 |
| schestowitz | They have that in silicon | May 07 15:23 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: that is certainly true but most people are opting for Netflix and video streaming for home movies now. Is AVI also under this MPEG-LA patent umbrella? | May 07 15:24 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: what about DivX and Xvid? | May 07 15:24 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: I am not advocating those over Theora but the more alternate codecs vendors and developers can jump ship to the better for the time being. | May 07 15:27 |
| MinceR | and what about Dirac? | May 07 15:28 |
| MinceR | (besides it being really ugly, iirc) | May 07 15:28 |
| schestowitz | Is AVI an actual single codec? | May 07 15:28 |
| schestowitz | I think of AVI as a big of a container | May 07 15:28 |
| schestowitz | I'm no video expert, but IIRC divx goes under such a container | May 07 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft also uses asf and wmv | May 07 15:29 |
| MinceR | avi is only a container | May 07 15:29 |
| MinceR | divx was originally a copy of some m$ mpeg4 implementation (a video codec) | May 07 15:30 |
| MinceR | but some company living off it made a container called "divx" | May 07 15:30 |
| MinceR | iirc | May 07 15:30 |
| Ziomatrix | MinceR: ah ok thankyou for clearing that up | May 07 15:30 |
| schestowitz | ogg has too many extensions | May 07 15:30 |
| schestowitz | hard for mime types | May 07 15:30 |
| schestowitz | ogg ogv ogm | May 07 15:30 |
| schestowitz | These are the ones techrights uses now | May 07 15:30 |
| MinceR | there's also Matroska, from the CoreCodec people | May 07 15:31 |
| schestowitz | What does Real use? | May 07 15:31 |
| MinceR | (another container) | May 07 15:31 |
| schestowitz | They are collapsing BTW | May 07 15:31 |
| MinceR | dunno, probably their own stuff | May 07 15:31 |
| schestowitz | And the guy who created it came from Microsoft | May 07 15:31 |
| schestowitz | I think many Real execs are from the Vole | May 07 15:31 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no, they have pools | May 07 15:31 |
| schestowitz | I watched and posted a video about it in BN last year | May 07 15:32 |
| schestowitz | Their execs who had an Indian accent explained that they are part of some pool | May 07 15:32 |
| schestowitz | Real uses GNU/Linux at the server side | May 07 15:32 |
| schestowitz | They couldn't handle Windows | May 07 15:32 |
| MinceR | maybe they use some standard container, possibly with some change to make it seem like it's a new filetype | May 07 15:32 |
| MinceR | (different magic number or something) | May 07 15:33 |
| schestowitz | Compression is their whole business proposition | May 07 15:33 |
| schestowitz | So surely it's patents and stuff | May 07 15:33 |
| schestowitz | Helix is just a fauxopen source thing | May 07 15:33 |
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| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: this article and the comments after it bring up some very good points concerning the Kin, especially how someone points out MS will be support at least 4 different mobile OSs two of them being completely reliant on cloud based services while the other one of them will have to be more so as in WP7 then its predecessor: http://tinyurl.com/y4nllw9 | May 07 15:40 |
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| Ziomatrix | and MS claims they are trimming the fat off and streamlining redundancy for their services? | May 07 15:41 |
| MinceR | sure | May 07 15:42 |
| MinceR | they're leading their entire mobile operation into bankruptcy | May 07 15:42 |
| MinceR | then they can "trim" it all off ;) | May 07 15:42 |
| schestowitz | They lose tons there | May 07 15:43 |
| schestowitz | I was just about to say (*after I had read Ziomatrix's tidbit) that they overspend | May 07 15:43 |
| schestowitz | One generation after another they try to rise and fail | May 07 15:43 |
| schestowitz | Danger didn't replace WinMob and Kin FLUSHES all their appbase | May 07 15:43 |
| Ziomatrix | MinceR: oh yea I forgot their Zune too, even sure they will stop supporting those devices or roll them right into the KIN/Xbox media devision soon along with Sidekicks. They will probably then pull an Apple and cut off Winmob support slowly starting with anything v6.1 and prior. | May 07 15:47 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: despite what I stated above I still foresee many migration headaches in the future. | May 07 15:48 |
| cubezzz | they can't compete | May 07 15:48 |
| cubezzz | simple as that | May 07 15:48 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: WP7 is simply there way to semantically roll up Winmob and CE into one, with more limitations to devs of course. | May 07 15:49 |
| Ziomatrix | cubezzz: apparently someone at Intel doesn't want Moorestown to support WP7: http://tinyurl.com/2c5oppj | May 07 15:50 |
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| Ziomatrix | here is a little less bias source: http://tinyurl.com/34ud5wp | May 07 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: I know | May 07 15:52 |
| schestowitz | Weird | May 07 15:52 |
| schestowitz | BTW | May 07 15:52 |
| schestowitz | Is Moorestown a place? | May 07 15:52 |
| schestowitz | I didn't look it up | May 07 15:52 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like Moore | May 07 15:52 |
| schestowitz | As in Moore's Law | May 07 15:52 |
| schestowitz | Intel | May 07 15:52 |
| MinceR | these codenames tend to be place names | May 07 15:52 |
| schestowitz | It supports all the Linux platforms | May 07 15:52 |
| MinceR | afaik it's because they can't be trademarked | May 07 15:52 |
| schestowitz | But now Windows... yet | May 07 15:52 |
| schestowitz | VERY odd | May 07 15:52 |
| schestowitz | x86... no Windows? Wha wha wha??? | May 07 15:53 |
| cubezzz | hehehe | May 07 15:53 |
| Ziomatrix | MinceR: Moorestown is a place in my home state :-P | May 07 15:53 |
| schestowitz | Named after Intel's Moore too? | May 07 15:53 |
| schestowitz | It's a coincidence I reckoned... came to my mind yesterday | May 07 15:53 |
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| MinceR | there are plenty of Moores | May 07 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Some topless | May 07 15:55 |
| schestowitz | A Canadian one | May 07 15:55 |
| schestowitz | Demi. | May 07 15:55 |
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| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: Moorestown is a place in New Jersey. | May 07 15:57 |
| schestowitz | Yes, but Intel could choose the name due to bias | May 07 15:58 |
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| cubezzz | hmmm, D945GCLF is a couple years old | May 07 16:00 |
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| ender2070 | KVM owns anyway | May 07 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | ender2070: yeah | May 07 16:20 |
| schestowitz | xen is out of RHEL 6 | May 07 16:20 |
| schestowitz | So CentOS too | May 07 16:21 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: voted yet? | May 07 16:21 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yes I did yesterday evening | May 07 16:21 |
| schestowitz | It seems like the Charlatan could take over | May 07 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | Odd. Twitter missed one entry of mine... or maybe the script did | May 07 16:25 |
| schestowitz | Let's check... | May 07 16:25 |
| schestowitz | The BNtwitter script missed it | May 07 16:26 |
| schestowitz | The problem was with twitter-identica | May 07 16:29 |
| schestowitz | One dent not passed to twitter for no apparently reason.. not reliable enough these systems | May 07 16:29 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #Ubuntu 10.04 successfully installed! Mono components successfully exterminated! Mission accomplished! :D | May 07 18:34 | |
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| Omar87 | Hi all. | May 07 18:58 |
| Omar87 | Hi all., | May 07 18:59 |
| MinceR | Hi all.,: | May 07 19:02 |
| MinceR | Hi all.,:; | May 07 19:02 |
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| Omar87 | MinceR, oh yeah. I forgot to put you back on my ignore list. Thanks for reminding me. | May 07 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: why, what did he do? | May 07 19:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] How much do i need to pay to VLC Developer to give a small setting inside VLC - "Do not open next instance of vlc, reuse same" #vlc | May 07 19:37 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=fedora_13_coming&num=1 | May 07 19:37 |
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| schestowitz | The anti-swpats release | May 07 19:37 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, he disrespected me. It's a long time ago, and I prefer not to talk about it. | May 07 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Give him another chance, it's not worth keeping temperature high | May 07 19:40 |
| schestowitz | BTW, we're liberal on issues of religion | May 07 19:40 |
| schestowitz | We don't have notions like "blasphemy" in general | May 07 19:40 |
| schestowitz | It's just adverse to free speech | May 07 19:40 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I know. But in the way I learned it, "Free speech" is meant to provide a path to a polite, logical and subjective debate, not to be used in ignorantly and pointlessly insulting people of different views. | May 07 19:43 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, that how I learned the concept of "Free speech". I'm not sure if it has a different in the western world, though. | May 07 19:44 |
| zoobab | Roy, do you got any news from the Canonical h264 deal? | May 07 19:44 |
| Omar87 | different *meaning*.. | May 07 19:44 |
| zoobab | Matt Asay does not answer my question on Twitter | May 07 19:45 |
| MinceR | Omar87: np | May 07 19:53 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: to Omar87, not agreeing with his religious nonsense is "disrespect", while he's of course free to disagree with anyone | May 07 19:54 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: typical religious attitude | May 07 19:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] if you have non-profit idea FOSS or open-standard then i can provide free hosting. | May 07 19:54 | |
| MinceR | in general, in today's world disagreeing with a religious person is considered persecution while a religious person disagreeing with an agnostic or an atheist (they call both "atheist") is seen as virtue | May 07 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: it's tricky with "Free speech" | May 07 19:58 |
| schestowitz | As in, "free" as long as I'm not offended | May 07 19:58 |
| schestowitz | I put the barrier where there is libel | May 07 19:58 |
| schestowitz | I've seen libel against me being repeated and there are consequences to it that can be legal too | May 07 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Apart from that, there's the whole "illusion of freedom of speech" | May 07 19:59 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: yes | May 07 19:59 |
| MinceR | sometimes there isn't even the illusion | May 07 19:59 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/05/06/ubuntu-and-h-264-tax/ | May 07 19:59 |
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| MinceR | like here in absurdistan | May 07 19:59 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I can't recall if you said something rude to him though | May 07 20:00 |
| schestowitz | You can say anything negative about it, but not use curse words and stuff | May 07 20:00 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I know. But, from my point of view, if "Freedom of speech" includes "Freedom of pointlessly insulting others", it becomes "Barbarianism of speech". | May 07 20:00 |
| schestowitz | If people are not allowed to insult by mere discussion of ideas, then science is hindered | May 07 20:00 |
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| schestowitz | Linux advocacy too | May 07 20:01 |
| MinceR | and of course religious people define pointing out falsehoods in what they said "insulting" | May 07 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft doesn't like conflicting views | May 07 20:01 |
| schestowitz | It tries to silence them | May 07 20:01 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: you have firewalls (filters) in absurdistan? | May 07 20:01 |
| MinceR | afaik not yet | May 07 20:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Flash ki to watt lag gai mamu.. http://www.scribd.com/documents/30964170/Scribd-in-HTML5 #web | May 07 20:02 | |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: maybe he insulted with curse words, I can't remember | May 07 20:02 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no, that's called "blasphemy" | May 07 20:02 |
| MinceR | but the new (fundamentalist) government alluded to that they're planning to introduce internet censorship | May 07 20:02 |
| Aondo | http://www.wolfire.com/humble?l=groups - hmm linux people give the most, in average. not bad :D | May 07 20:02 |
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| schestowitz | Like, if I say the Pope is just an old dude with a big hat | May 07 20:02 |
| schestowitz | That may hurt someone's feelings | May 07 20:02 |
| schestowitz | But it's true | May 07 20:02 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I know. But mocking Muslims by calling them "Terrorists" or mocking their religious symbols like the Hijab, or mocking their prophet (PBUH), that's barbarianism. | May 07 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Aondo: yeah, I saw this an hour ago | May 07 20:03 |
| Aondo | cool :D | May 07 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: not necessarily, in my humble opinion, regarding the latter | May 07 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Calling them "terrorists" is generalisation, so that's bad | May 07 20:03 |
| MinceR | and the previous government (successor of the party in our single-party state and their flunkies) made a law forbidding speaking about the holocaust in any way that makes it seem lesser | May 07 20:04 |
| schestowitz | But mocking anyone is OK | May 07 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Without curse words or libel | May 07 20:04 |
| MinceR | so there's no freedom of speech here and there will be even less in the future | May 07 20:04 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I believe that Freedom of speech is the freedom of debating subjectively, rationally, logically and politely. Other that than that it's barbarianism. | May 07 20:04 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: depends if it's deceitful | May 07 20:04 |
| MinceR | you can see Omar87's stance: mocking the pope is ok, but mocking muslims is "barbarianism" and is grounds for religious war | May 07 20:04 |
| schestowitz | I mean, some people say it never happened. Do you want to promote outright lies? | May 07 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Unless of course it's paradical | May 07 20:05 |
| MinceR | then stopping that is not by way of restricting our freedom of speech | May 07 20:05 |
| schestowitz | *parody | May 07 20:05 |
| MinceR | especially since this restriction actually promotes the view that they have something to hide | May 07 20:05 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: that's libel-wish | May 07 20:05 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, anyways. What should I do about the Flash thing? :) | May 07 20:05 |
| schestowitz | *ish | May 07 20:05 |
| MinceR | that perhaps it really is a lie | May 07 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Like... | May 07 20:05 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I could say you sleep with prostitutes | May 07 20:05 |
| schestowitz | But maybe it's a big fat lie | May 07 20:05 |
| MinceR | it also restricts further research on that part of history | May 07 20:05 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: that's libel, isn't it? | May 07 20:06 |
| schestowitz | So should I have freedom of speech to lie? | May 07 20:06 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes | May 07 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Saying that native Indians never existed in the US is a lie too | May 07 20:06 |
| schestowitz | You can say it once | May 07 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Then reprimanded, presnted with facts | May 07 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | if repeated, then you know it's deliberate | May 07 20:06 |
| MinceR | presenting facts is exactly what should be happen | May 07 20:06 |
| MinceR | not banning what the current political leaders believe to be lies | May 07 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, the version of Windows Live Messenger on my phone can't be signed in at the same time as the one on my PC | May 07 20:07 |
| schestowitz | [20:05] <MinceR> it also restricts further research on that part of history | May 07 20:07 |
| schestowitz | No | May 07 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | one will bump the other offline | May 07 20:07 |
| MinceR | also note that they did not ban denying what the "socialists"/"communists" did | May 07 20:07 |
| schestowitz | people who study history can start with acceptable statements | May 07 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Consolidate it | May 07 20:07 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: people who study history and come up with numbers should be allowed to publish them | May 07 20:07 |
| schestowitz | You can't start with "Atlantic existed" | May 07 20:07 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: even if those numbers happen to be less than the official ones | May 07 20:07 |
| schestowitz | You need to start beneath and harmonise with existing evidence | May 07 20:07 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: you can't do science by stating (and enforcing) that the results must be within given parameters | May 07 20:08 |
| MinceR | that's not science, that's bullshit | May 07 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Otherwise we end up with BS conspiracies about chemtrails and stuff | May 07 20:08 |
| schestowitz | People who think that plane trails ire poison spread by the govt. to kill us :-) | May 07 20:08 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: sounds like Microsoft counting flaws | May 07 20:09 |
| MinceR | do you think that discussions of chemtrails should be banned? | May 07 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Suppressed by ignoring | May 07 20:13 |
| schestowitz | They can talk | May 07 20:13 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't mean they should be given attention | May 07 20:13 |
| schestowitz | It's better to marginalise bad ideas, not suppress their expression | May 07 20:13 |
| MinceR | exactly | May 07 20:14 |
| schestowitz | If Irving wants to spreak to his Neo-Nazi fans, he'll find some arena | May 07 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | cherry diet dr pepper on sale | May 07 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | must be my lucky day | May 07 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Jailing to silence him only gives him more attention | May 07 20:14 |
| schestowitz | It's like Streisand effect | May 07 20:14 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: However, one single condition under which I use harsh words is when: A) I'm 100% sure that the this word is true. B)I've done just enough research, and I'm ready to back it up with authentic facts. And C)That it's not a cuss word. | May 07 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Before you know it they'll find out that they only have the opposite effect by silencing and then try to just assassinate messengers or something | May 07 20:15 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: where? | May 07 20:15 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, for example, when I call MS advocates as "Hypocrites". | May 07 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87, An ignorant fuck is an ignorant fuck, no matter where they're from, what they believe, or what they worship | May 07 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: yes | May 07 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: yes | May 07 20:15 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: afaik the only major IM system that allows you to have multiple clients logged in with the same account at the same time is Jabber/XMPP | May 07 20:15 |
| schestowitz | [to both] | May 07 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: local Kroger | May 07 20:15 |
| MinceR | maybe Psyc can do it too, but i haven't seen a lot of that system | May 07 20:15 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: shows opposite example | May 07 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Cursing SOB | May 07 20:16 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: IM is lame, IMHO | May 07 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, All my contacts are on Yahoo and Windows Live | May 07 20:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] ♺ @tenphil: Microsoft gains patent on executables on USB: http://ur1.ca/zih2 Goodbye portable Firefox? #Ubuntu #Linux #Microsoft #Nonsense | May 07 20:16 | |
| schestowitz | It reminds me of when I was a teenager | May 07 20:16 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: it has its uses | May 07 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | and I can't be signed into both of those at once either | May 07 20:16 |
| schestowitz | I was on IRC too when I was 14 | May 07 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Then came ICQ | May 07 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | but it does have mobile Hotmail :D | May 07 20:17 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: such as presence indication/notification | May 07 20:17 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, and a stinky tongue is a stinky tongue, no matter how long you spend trying to sterilize it. | May 07 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87, I haven't blown anyone up lately | May 07 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | if I do, it will be of my own belief that they should die, not due to religious propaganda | May 07 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 07 20:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ♺popey Microsoft gains patent on executables on USB: http://ur1.ca/zih2 Goodbye portable Firefox? #Ubuntu #Linux #Microsoft #Nonsense | May 07 20:18 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Installation of #Kubuntu on AthlonXP almost completed, installing the games now... | May 07 20:18 | |
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| Omar87 | DaemonFC, exactly, you just proved my point. | May 07 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | unfortunately, I think that after enough brainwashing, you can have an army of docile idiots who are willing to strap bombs on and blow up whoever you tell them | May 07 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | I must commend the Muslims on their success there | May 07 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | overriding their will to live must take considerable effort vs. raising an army | May 07 20:19 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, did you see what I'm talking about? DaemonFC has just given you a good demonstration of my point. | May 07 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87, You get Islam right? An army of brainwashed cowards who are unable to fight fair | May 07 20:20 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, you should get a life dude. | May 07 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | they don't have skill, they are't couragous | May 07 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | they will strap a bomb on and go die | May 07 20:20 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, you're pathetic. | May 07 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | I have total contempt for people that try to fight by proxy | May 07 20:21 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Did you just see? Do you call that "Freedom of speech"?:D | May 07 20:21 |
| MinceR | i think Omar87's going to ignore yet another user here :> | May 07 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87, If you come looking for trouble with me, please come start trouble with me directly, we can get my victory over with as swiftly and one-sided aspossible | May 07 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | that's why you, as a Muslim, will cheat | May 07 20:23 |
| MinceR | fighting fair is overrated though | May 07 20:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Macy Gray "Related To A Psychopath", what was she thinking, what a bloody terrible noise | May 07 20:23 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] ♺ @MiserWare has released an update to Granola for Linux... http://bit.ly/aeevT9 - neat free power saving software.. | May 07 20:23 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, It's one of those concepts that evolves around a balance of terror | May 07 20:24 |
| MinceR | i suppose it's a concept for people who are too eager to fight | May 07 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | you both know what the other side has, about what it will cost you to beat them, and when the confrontation is likely to be | May 07 20:24 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I really don't know how on Earth do you tolerate an idiot like him. I envy your iron tolerance ability. :-) | May 07 20:24 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: doesn't that happen anyway? | May 07 20:24 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: even if the opposing sides are keeping their powers secret from each other, they can both find out via espionage | May 07 20:25 |
| MinceR | (to some extent) | May 07 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The Muslims are weasels. (Red Dwarf quot coming) Rimmer: "Eagles may soar, but weaselsdon't get sucked into jet engines | May 07 20:25 |
| MinceR | and they can trust those results more than just trusting the opponent to fight fair | May 07 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | if you aim to be as unethical as possible, you may have an advantage, but it leads to anarchy later | May 07 20:26 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: note that not all muslims are terrorists though :) | May 07 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | or so they say | May 07 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't help that the ones claiming to be peaceful are usually part of a sleeper cell | May 07 20:27 |
| MinceR | afaict there are a lot more muslims than terrorists | May 07 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | running a legitimate business or something | May 07 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | that's like saying there's Christians that aren't Republicans | May 07 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | sure, I agree | May 07 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | but it's not the norm | May 07 20:28 |
| schestowitz | http://wwmm.ch.cam.ac.uk/blogs/murrayrust/?p=2331 | May 07 20:28 |
| MinceR | sadly, there are many christians outside jesusland | May 07 20:28 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you're a useless troll | May 07 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Shame on you | May 07 20:28 |
| MinceR | most of those can't even be republicans | May 07 20:28 |
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| MinceR | (many of them are christian fundamentalists though) | May 07 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Republican is not a religion | May 07 20:29 |
| schestowitz | It's a mindset | May 07 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Snobs | May 07 20:29 |
| MinceR | it's a mental disease :> | May 07 20:29 |
| schestowitz | brain-virus? | May 07 20:29 |
| MinceR | a form of insanity | May 07 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Make no fun though, we might soon have a right-wing govt. here | May 07 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Election results don't look good | May 07 20:30 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: how dare you curse the insane? | May 07 20:30 |
| MinceR | i'm daring | May 07 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | Republicans and/or their counterparts worldwide | May 07 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | there you go | May 07 20:30 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: your left-wing government wasn't too good either | May 07 20:31 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, don't go too harsh on him. He's such a pitiful creature. | May 07 20:31 |
| MinceR | that, gentlemen, is what Omar87 considers not insulting. | May 07 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | you have o be capable of pity first | May 07 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | don't you? :P | May 07 20:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Why Google Chrome is not in Ubuntu Or Fedora repo ? is it a restricted Open Source Software ?? @google @ChromeBrowser | May 07 20:32 | |
| schestowitz | zoobab: http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/13420807572 | May 07 20:32 |
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| MinceR | it could be just an expression | May 07 20:32 |
| MinceR | also, it could be misguided pity | May 07 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: My phone says it runs some Webkit based browser | May 07 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | the useragent identifies it asSafari | May 07 20:33 |
| MinceR | i wonder what's mine called | May 07 20:33 |
| MinceR | nokia says it's webkit-based | May 07 20:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @nsisodiya re "Why Google Chrome is not in Ubuntu Or Fedora repo ?" >it's pseudo-open source | May 07 20:34 | |
| DaemonFC | I got a Samsung Solstice | May 07 20:35 |
| MinceR | i've got a nokia n97 | May 07 20:35 |
| MinceR | i think the browser's calling itself "BrowserNG" | May 07 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | I seem to buy Samsung everything | May 07 20:35 |
| MinceR | or that's just a component | May 07 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | two TVs, a Blu Ray player, a DVD player, and my set top boxes now for DirecTV | May 07 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | and my phone :P | May 07 20:36 |
| MinceR | hm, they do call it Browser NG | May 07 20:36 |
| MinceR | my first mobile phone was a samsung, but i gave it to my mother | May 07 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.netflix.com/WiMovie/Mystery_Science_Theater_3000_The_Final_Sacrifice/70130373?trkid=1488715 | May 07 20:38 |
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| DaemonFC | that was great | May 07 20:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18860-republicans-wont-be-nudged-into-cutting-home-energy.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news "Some even respond by using more energy." | May 07 20:40 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Republicans won't be nudged into cutting home energy - environment - 05 May 2010 - New Scientist .::. Size~: 56.23 KB | May 07 20:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I see how MS made its money,the tech unsavvy are easy to lead.I've just got three of them from my office addicted to Twitter with no effort. | May 07 20:40 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.tgdaily.com/sustainability-features/49635-future-temperatures-could-be-too-hot-to-survive | May 07 20:43 |
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| DaemonFC | I wish Netflix had more of these series for streaming | May 07 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | they take up a lot of my discs that I can have at once | May 07 20:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.danwei.org/environmental_problems/asbestos_in_china_--_who_cares.php | May 07 20:47 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: use YouTube | May 07 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Man up :-) | May 07 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Don't be a consumer | May 07 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Pull data, don't get 'content' | May 07 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, something in 320 x 200 | May 07 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | been compressed beyond recognition | May 07 20:48 |
| MinceR | "It's like they say. Asbestos, it'll kill you." >> http://liandri.beyondunreal.com/DM-Asbestos | May 07 20:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/05/05/reenactment-56-downf.html | May 07 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number8.9/Cecilia-Malmstrom-censorship | May 07 20:52 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: so? It scales | May 07 20:52 |
| schestowitz | It's the content, not the quality | May 07 20:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/05/06/video-of-swat-raid-o.html | May 07 20:55 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Notice how these vids never mention what the guy did? | May 07 20:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.economist.com/business-finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=16064077&fsrc=rss | May 07 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | Poor sods | May 07 21:00 |
| schestowitz | They claim that people with sword and boats ruin their biz | May 07 21:00 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: light drugs | May 07 21:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] I need a very simple plymouth theme for schoolos. Help me. | May 07 21:01 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Remover as viaturas estacionadas no percurso do Papa devia dar um processo estilo "class action" contra a CML e o Estado, supostamente laico | May 07 21:02 | |
| DaemonFC | ahhh | May 07 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they could have done that easily without the swat team | May 07 21:03 |
| *WireWulf is now known as WireWulf-away | May 07 21:03 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/13501079773 | May 07 21:04 |
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| DaemonFC | they probably could have sent two regular police officers over there, calmly explained the situtation, and made the arrest | May 07 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | the amount of force they used was unreasonable | May 07 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The prosecuting attorney decides whether to try and get an arrest warrant you know | May 07 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | those are an electec official in most states | May 07 21:06 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't even address crime | May 07 21:06 |
| schestowitz | If they want to tackle crime, they should send SWAT teams to arrest Bill Gates and Ballmer for rakcteering | May 07 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Of course, law enforcers work for the rich | May 07 21:07 |
| schestowitz | So that won't happen | May 07 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Bush too is 'on the run' from the law, eternally | May 07 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: It really goes back to the voters | May 07 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Here's a dude who smoked some plant | May 07 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | this is a deep south state, all people want to hear is "tough on crime", so they elect idiot prosecutors who slap charges on anything they can | May 07 21:07 |
| schestowitz | And on another hand you have criminals who threaten companies | May 07 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | Missouri is probably the most likely setting for something like this, schestowitz | May 07 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Putting millions of customers at risk | May 07 21:08 |
| schestowitz | And they are not arrested | May 07 21:08 |
| schestowitz | The US law is sick | May 07 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | I could never see them using a SWAT team in that situation here | May 07 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: State laws | May 07 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | local electorate | May 07 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | SWAT team used for small amount of drugs on the guy's kid | May 07 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | there's why it happened | May 07 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | the two most important elected offices that determine if something like this could happen are the county prosecutor and the county sheriff | May 07 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Indiana's governor (a Republican) Mitch Daniels, wanted them to pass a bill turning those offices into political appointments | May 07 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | why do you think that is? | May 07 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | the legislature refused it though | May 07 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | as political appointments, he could install whoever he wanted in those offices in every county in the state | May 07 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | which is terrifying | May 07 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | he's made a lot of "small government initiative" moves, which is a code word for "less public accountability than they have now" | May 07 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Daniels was part of the Bush administration before he was our governor | May 07 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | and a pharmaceutical executive before that | May 07 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | who engaged in illegal insider trading of IPALCO (Indiana utility conglomerate stock) ala Enron | May 07 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | he's a scoundrel who just has the right connections to do any kind of white collar crime he wants | May 07 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | scary huh? | May 07 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | he's been re-elected based on the fact that some of his borderline illegal deals to sell off state property have led to temporary tax decreases and budget surpluses that will fall apart soon after his second term is up | May 07 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | people are that stupid, is your problem, schestowitz | May 07 21:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.opendemocracy.net/od-russia/ara-iskanderian/waiting-for-word-in-armenia | May 07 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yeah, well... IN is not known for being too bright generally | May 07 21:18 |
| schestowitz | But... it's no Texas, either | May 07 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | well, we're not Michigan at least | May 07 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 07 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | you want to talk unemployment.....damn | May 07 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | lots of jobs leaving Michigan come here | May 07 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | cause the company will already have a plant here, decide that it's best to just fire everyone in Michigan, and put in a third shift | May 07 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | so Indiana is basically getting a lot of new jobs at Michigans expense | May 07 21:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody UNESCO World Anti-Piracy Observatory - http://bit.ly/9pUP5s this is a travesty of education, science and culture #unesco #fail | May 07 21:20 | |
| schestowitz | http://labs.38degrees.org.uk/wall/reform | May 07 21:21 |
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| DaemonFC | "I do apologize that you have chosen to leave Comcast, but we are more than happy to clarify any misconceptions you may have." | May 07 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | "I apologize and now I blame you"? | May 07 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 07 21:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I am actually surprised by a new kind in the baraminology of woo. Ladeez gemmun: horse placenta as sports medicine. http://is.gd/bZ5H4 | May 07 21:25 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Woo In Sport « Stuff And Nonsense .::. Size~: 58.28 KB | May 07 21:25 |
| schestowitz | http://labs.38degrees.org.uk/content/election-what-next | May 07 21:26 |
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| schestowitz | [21:18] <DaemonFC> well, we're not Michigan at least | May 07 21:26 |
| schestowitz | These are not the worst, are they? | May 07 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | probably | May 07 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Texas us ranked lowest for some things | May 07 21:27 |
| schestowitz | *is | May 07 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Among the large state | May 07 21:27 |
| schestowitz | http://dooooooom.blogspot.com/2010/05/e-voting-is-not-solution-to-poll-chaos.html | May 07 21:27 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/2010/05/a_coalition_forged_by_a_sterli.html | May 07 21:33 |
| schestowitz | "The Liberal Democrats hold the balance of power. And senior Lib Dems tell me that there are two non-negotiable conditions for them to prop up a government:" | May 07 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | http://help.lockergnome.com/linux/News-FFII-Slams-Barnier-Sneak-Software-Patents-Europe--ftopict519587.html | May 07 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/2010/05/a_coalition_forged_by_a_sterli.html | May 07 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | http://mediamattersaction.org/factcheck/201005050003 | May 07 21:36 |
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| _goblin | schestowitz: yeah, Ive been trying to follow it at work..... | May 07 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Republicans: http://exposingliberallies.blogspot.com/2010/05/democrats-reward-goldman-sachs.html | May 07 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: what exactly? | May 07 21:39 |
| schestowitz | BTW, malroy is very much into it | May 07 21:39 |
| cubezzz | still funny: | May 07 21:40 |
| cubezzz | http://xkcd.com/528/ | May 07 21:40 |
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| _goblin | schestowitz: the development of the hung parliament. | May 07 21:41 |
| _goblin | eh? | May 07 21:41 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: http://www.boingboing.net/2010/05/06/video-of-swat-raid-o.html | May 07 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | Reasonable? | May 07 21:42 |
| _goblin | it depends.... | May 07 21:44 |
| _goblin | firstly I would say that the rapid entry that the US Swat team employed, was amateur at best..... | May 07 21:45 |
| _goblin | and thats being kind. | May 07 21:45 |
| _goblin | no consideration of contact and cover.....for starters. | May 07 21:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/06/AR2010050606375.html?nav=rss_opinion/columns | May 07 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | They say the UK might be next, if not Portufal | May 07 21:46 |
| schestowitz | *gal | May 07 21:46 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: the other thing you must keep in mind is that if the US works in the same way as the UK, the swat team would not be the officers who had handled the investigation prior, they would merely be called upon to gain entry and detain.....they would go off information given by the OIC..... | May 07 21:47 |
| _goblin | "shock and awe tactics" are required for safety reasons, IF the address was one where numerous suspects (armed or not) were, you want to be in the situation where you maintain control. | May 07 21:48 |
| _goblin | otherwise the lives of ALL are at risk. | May 07 21:48 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: Do you think it unreasonable that the suspect was arrested? | May 07 21:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] hey @stellacreasy! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stella_Creasy | May 07 21:49 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you still have one sane politician: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36905.html | May 07 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | He has been all over them like a bulldog since 2008 | May 07 21:50 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: I think they raise risk of heart attacks | May 07 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Or general distrust | May 07 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Reasonable means reasonable | May 07 21:51 |
| schestowitz | But I asked you cause you always defend the police | May 07 21:51 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: but as the officers entering the property would have no idea who was behind the door, it is esential that control is maintained and protect the safety of all. | May 07 21:51 |
| schestowitz | And that said, if it's true that all the guy did was posses some plants, then, well... even though I never did any drugs (other than alcohol, which is "legal"), I don't see what the big deal is | May 07 21:52 |
| schestowitz | They could even just let it be without bothering | May 07 21:52 |
| schestowitz | There are FAR bigger crimes | May 07 21:52 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: so you would be happy for the officer to just leave it? | May 07 21:52 |
| schestowitz | "crimes" | May 07 21:52 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: yes | May 07 21:52 |
| schestowitz | IF... | May 07 21:52 |
| schestowitz | It it's just possession of pot | May 07 21:52 |
| schestowitz | I don't mind it | May 07 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Never did pot, never will | May 07 21:52 |
| schestowitz | But it doesn't hurt me more than someone getting drunk in his/her house | May 07 21:53 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: and you are happy with a local officer giving judgment? instead of going through due process? Last time I checked the populas wanted criminal cases to be tried infront of the peers for a fair hearing. | May 07 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Actually, drunk people are more likely to be hospitalised and cost taxpayers... smokers too | May 07 21:53 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: I'm just saying, it's a petty "Crime" | May 07 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | watching Judge Judy | May 07 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 07 21:53 |
| schestowitz | The SWAT has better things to do | May 07 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Go arrest GS bankers | May 07 21:54 |
| _goblin | no such thing as a petty crime. | May 07 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Go through their documents | May 07 21:54 |
| _goblin | it either is or isnt a crime | May 07 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Do something that's actually useful | May 07 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | _goblin, The law defines petty crimes | May 07 21:54 |
| schestowitz | They should breach houses of rich people, nor poor people | May 07 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Big crime takes place in big houses | May 07 21:54 |
| _goblin | as I say before, if you want law then it has to be all or nothing.....you cannot cherry pick the bits you like. | May 07 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Small house have minor abuses | May 07 21:54 |
| _goblin | and who judges whats minor? | May 07 21:54 |
| schestowitz | *houses | May 07 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | less than $500 theft is petty theft | May 07 21:54 |
| schestowitz | [21:54] <_goblin> no such thing as a petty crime. | May 07 21:54 |
| schestowitz | No | May 07 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | May 07 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Laws can be stupid | May 07 21:55 |
| _goblin | my parents are devout catholics and would consider a small amount drugs a massive crime. | May 07 21:55 |
| schestowitz | And some things don't deserve to be "crime" | May 07 21:55 |
| schestowitz | They are just labeled that way | May 07 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Why can I drink beer? | May 07 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Without the police breaking down my door? | May 07 21:55 |
| _goblin | true....but then how would you label a "crime" | May 07 21:55 |
| _goblin | That vid was a bad example since US works very differently to UK. | May 07 21:56 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: alcohol... is DRUGS | May 07 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Do you drink sometimes? | May 07 21:56 |
| _goblin | yes....and my parents think it a very big deal. | May 07 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Ahh... | May 07 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Is it illegal? | May 07 21:56 |
| _goblin | can be. | May 07 21:56 |
| schestowitz | And if so, by whose rules? | May 07 21:56 |
| _goblin | drunk in charge........drunk and disorderly.....and my favourite: | May 07 21:57 |
| schestowitz | How can alcohol be illegal? | May 07 21:57 |
| schestowitz | I could throw out in some loo in a nigh club due to excessive drinking | May 07 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Is that a crime? | May 07 21:57 |
| _goblin | "On DAY DATE TIME PLACE, you did knowingly serve an intoxicated person alchohol in a public house. | May 07 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Will the bobby wait outside the WC to arrest me? | May 07 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Hypothetical of course | May 07 21:58 |
| _goblin | they could. | May 07 21:58 |
| schestowitz | What charges? | May 07 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Drinking too much? | May 07 21:58 |
| _goblin | drunk and disorderly. | May 07 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Excessive drug abuse (beer)? | May 07 21:58 |
| _goblin | breach of the peace | May 07 21:58 |
| _goblin | to name a few | May 07 21:58 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: vomiting is disorderly | May 07 21:58 |
| schestowitz | True | May 07 21:58 |
| _goblin | possibly even Sec 5 public order. | May 07 21:58 |
| schestowitz | They should make that a crime :0-) | May 07 21:59 |
| schestowitz | People who drink and lose count/self restrain and drink more to be arrested for not keeping it inside the stomach | May 07 21:59 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: in itself no, but you cannot make judgements without seeing the "incident" as a whole. | May 07 21:59 |
| _goblin | for example...... | May 07 21:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Basically we don't need any office applications Or any programming for application. Just use HTML5 for all purpose. #html5 #web | May 07 21:59 | |
| _goblin | being sick in a public loo might be ok..... | May 07 21:59 |
| schestowitz | What if you throw up without drinking? | May 07 21:59 |
| _goblin | being sick in someones front garden may not. | May 07 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Say I got some bad kebab and had to throw up | May 07 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Can that be disorderly? | May 07 22:00 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: now you are moving the goal posts....we were talking under the umbrella of intoxication. | May 07 22:00 |
| schestowitz | To have insticts that repel food that otherwise would poison the body? | May 07 22:00 |
| _goblin | like I say, each incident is judged on its merits. | May 07 22:00 |
| schestowitz | But anyway, we were talking about severity of crimes | May 07 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Not drug deadling/merchant | May 07 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Or growth | May 07 22:01 |
| schestowitz | BTW, if you brew beer at home, is that better than growing pot? | May 07 22:01 |
| _goblin | but like I say, who is to judge serverity | May 07 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Theoretically? | May 07 22:01 |
| _goblin | you have vastly different views to me, as do I my parents..... | May 07 22:01 |
| schestowitz | And should the police start cracking down on alcohol production? | May 07 22:01 |
| _goblin | not while there is no legislation. | May 07 22:02 |
| _goblin | it seems to me the issue is more with Law itself not the enforcers of it. | May 07 22:02 |
| _goblin | now unless you suggest that every officer polices with the laws that they like and agree with, then the only person to challenge are the law makers themselves, not the police. | May 07 22:03 |
| schestowitz | here's the thing | May 07 22:03 |
| schestowitz | I try to take things from basics, so... | May 07 22:03 |
| schestowitz | I don't understand what makes one drug legal and another illegal | May 07 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Esp. given that the more harmful one is made legal than some others | May 07 22:03 |
| schestowitz | I obey the rules | May 07 22:03 |
| _goblin | simply put.....law makers..... | May 07 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Because I don't challenge such authority where law is in place | May 07 22:04 |
| schestowitz | But I could never make sense of what we're indoctrinated to believe, that's all | May 07 22:04 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: law makers=BPI sometimes | May 07 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Law as instrument for power games | May 07 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Example: | May 07 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Tobacco lobby | May 07 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Alcohol lobby | May 07 22:05 |
| schestowitz | That's partly why these remain legal | May 07 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Same for energy industries | May 07 22:05 |
| schestowitz | They use the law to balance their power | May 07 22:05 |
| _goblin | well I can say that Class A drug users need to feed their habbit, for the vast majority its via crime...the drug itself can be far more fatal than a class B and in the case of a class B, Ive never heard of a horrendous crime being commited because someone need ed a joint. | May 07 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Do you at least accept that laws are relative? | May 07 22:05 |
| schestowitz | No absolutes | May 07 22:05 |
| _goblin | no..... | May 07 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Why are we dressing up? | May 07 22:06 |
| _goblin | road traffic act | May 07 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Warmth... | May 07 22:06 |
| _goblin | absolute offences | May 07 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Decency... | May 07 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Jealousy | May 07 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Individualism | May 07 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Self expression | May 07 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Protection to skin maybe | May 07 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Some tribes don't get dressed | May 07 22:06 |
| schestowitz | They can if they want to | May 07 22:06 |
| schestowitz | They live in hot climate though | May 07 22:06 |
| schestowitz | [22:06] <_goblin> road traffic act | May 07 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Roads don't exist in nature | May 07 22:07 |
| _goblin | I think laws are guided by a majority public opinion......most members of public don't want to see Cannabis users on the street. Most MOP's don't want drunk teenagers being sick in the street.....where are the rights of the majority? | May 07 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | heh | May 07 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | _goblin, I'm not really against marijuana use, but I don't want to see them driving around on it | May 07 22:08 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: majority votes based on perception | May 07 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | they should treat it like alcohol there | May 07 22:08 |
| schestowitz | enough idiots approves Iraq invasion. That's what info told them | May 07 22:08 |
| _goblin | exactly.... | May 07 22:08 |
| schestowitz | *rovd | May 07 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | legal, but you can get a felony for driving with it | May 07 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Or misbehaving | May 07 22:08 |
| _goblin | yep..... | May 07 22:08 |
| schestowitz | It's used in hospitals | May 07 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Apparently it calms down some people | May 07 22:09 |
| schestowitz | And cheaper than those patented drugs from big pharma | May 07 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Which essentially do something similar but are close to the govt./FDA, so they are shown in white coats and sell their wares legally | May 07 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | laws in the interest of public safety are alright, but outside of that, anything only affecting you or consenting others should be legal | May 07 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | government has tried to regulate everything | May 07 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | regardless of state interest | May 07 22:09 |
| _goblin | but Roy, its legal for soldiers to carry an SA80.......do you think all members of public should have one? | May 07 22:10 |
| schestowitz | The burden of justification is on the banner | May 07 22:10 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: i think noone should have any | May 07 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Esp. not DaemonFC | May 07 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | _goblin, I don't think a reasonable case can be made to need fully automatic rifles for self-defense | May 07 22:10 |
| schestowitz | he carries a gun | May 07 22:10 |
| _goblin | he wasn't trained though. | May 07 22:11 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: bigfoot!! | May 07 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I know how to clean it, how to shoot something :P | May 07 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | what else is there? :D | May 07 22:11 |
| _goblin | daemonfc: since youve never fired an SA80 then you need to ask. | May 07 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | well, I don't carry that | May 07 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | I own a shotgun and two semi-automatic handguns | May 07 22:12 |
| _goblin | peeshooters | May 07 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | all are registered to me, and I have a carry and conceal permit | May 07 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | semi-automatic shotguns are legal, but they're overrated btw | May 07 22:14 |
| _goblin | Whats the US army still using (im out of touch) M16's still? | May 07 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | they have a bigger kick | May 07 22:14 |
| _goblin | ;) | May 07 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | better to use the pump action model | May 07 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | the over-under design is also pretty bad | May 07 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | cause you can't stay on target | May 07 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | the M-16 is being replaced soon | May 07 22:15 |
| _goblin | lol.... | May 07 22:15 |
| _goblin | yeah..... | May 07 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | there's a few possibles in the running | May 07 22:15 |
| _goblin | do the USAF still paint pictures on their Hellfires? | May 07 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | I liked the HK416 best myself though | May 07 22:16 |
| *schestowitz smell militia trouble for the US | May 07 22:16 | |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_&_Koch_HK416 | May 07 22:16 |
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| _goblin | DaemonFC, yes I know the HK,.......UK Police use it. | May 07 22:16 |
| _goblin | awful weapon. | May 07 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | oh? | May 07 22:17 |
| schestowitz | In the news today: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/07/xm25_to_war_this_year_really_really/ Watch photo | May 07 22:17 |
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| DaemonFC | the Military Channel went over them | May 07 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | it looked solid enough | May 07 22:17 |
| schestowitz | "You can see a video here (Warning: ActiveX controls)." | May 07 22:17 |
| _goblin | I think the term (for the accuracy minded) would be "Spray and pray" when talking about the HK. | May 07 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | ewww | May 07 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | the Fort Wayne Juvenile Correctional Facility is being closed | May 07 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 07 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | they're sending the ones with time left to serve to South Bend | May 07 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | This stupidity brought by Mitch no doubt | May 07 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | tornado watch :P | May 07 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | high winds | May 07 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | the post my satellite dish on is wobbling around a little | May 07 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | but it's anchored in concrete, so I'm not real worried :P | May 07 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | if something strong enough to bring that down comes this way, the whole house is going to be damaged pretty bad | May 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.auto-mobi.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=24549&Itemid=56 | May 07 22:25 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] For the info of anyone reading discourse between funkydeams, markeeeeeeee and myself, we are all work collegues....its banter. | May 07 22:28 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I have some volunteer tulips springing up over my my deck :P | May 07 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | *over by | May 07 22:32 |
| _goblin | volunteer tulips? | May 07 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | May 07 22:35 |
| _goblin | those that are not tulips, but volunteer to be one? | May 07 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | volunteer is when you didn't plant any | May 07 22:35 |
| _goblin | ah. | May 07 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | like if tomato plants pop up | May 07 22:36 |
| _goblin | you mean "wild" | May 07 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | volunteer tomato plants :) | May 07 22:36 |
| _goblin | I don't think they are volunteering anything....I think "wild" is a better term to describe them. | May 07 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | _goblin, Marijuana grows wild in Indiana | May 07 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | pisses law enforcement off | May 07 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | it can sprout up anywhere | May 07 22:37 |
| _goblin | or does it volunteer? | May 07 22:37 |
| _goblin | ;) | May 07 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | it volunteers to get you stoned | May 07 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 07 22:37 |
| _goblin | or you get caught with it..... | May 07 22:37 |
| _goblin | "Sorry officer, this cannabis volunteered itself to me" | May 07 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | one plant growing out there? | May 07 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | even personal use growers need more than one plant | May 07 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | lol | May 07 22:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Video of SWAT Raid on Missouri Family http://www.boingboing.net/2010/05/06/video-of-swat-raid-o.html Keep it gentle, officers.... | May 07 22:38 | |
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| DaemonFC | I call it Indiana Homegrown | May 07 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 07 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | I've smoked it before | May 07 22:38 |
| _goblin | naughty. | May 07 22:38 |
| _goblin | very very very naughty | May 07 22:39 |
| _goblin | was it volunteer cannabis......and you volunteered to smoke it? | May 07 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | yep | May 07 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | it was all consensual | May 07 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 07 22:39 |
| _goblin | I think thats ok then. | May 07 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | the soul around here is good for growing many things | May 07 22:39 |
| _goblin | soil | May 07 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | the only thing I grew that came out bad was potatoes | May 07 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | they are rocks if you grow them here | May 07 22:40 |
| oiaohm | Here in australia no where grows cannabis without some help. | May 07 22:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Dual core 2.6GHz desktop can't play video without stuttering. Oh yes, that would be flash video. Of course. | May 07 22:40 | |
| _goblin | can't see the appeal personally..... | May 07 22:40 |
| oiaohm | And its only 1 planit at a time for personal use. | May 07 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Take some seeds | May 07 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | plant more | May 07 22:41 |
| _goblin | if I get to the stage where I have to relax or enjoy myself by relying on drugs, I think it won't be worth continueing on. | May 07 22:41 |
| _goblin | volunteered or not. | May 07 22:41 |
| oiaohm | Australia is a dry place most areas. And the wet areas have a fungus that love to kill the hemp or cannabis | May 07 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, The Republicans who were dropped into the volcano by Xenu spoiled Australia | May 07 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | then they were reborn into some human bodies | May 07 22:42 |
| oiaohm | Basically if you were a game bugger introduce that fungus to Indiana and the natural grown would be no more. | May 07 22:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Why forget Java, C++, Python etc and learn HTML5 , Canvas API and SVG with Firefox and ZHTML http://post.ly/fBUN | May 07 22:43 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Why forget Java, C++, Python etc and learn HTML5 , Canvas API and SVG with Firefox and ZHTML - LUG@IITD Community Blog .::. Size~: 29.69 KB | May 07 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, I think my phone embeds VLC or something | May 07 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | it's playing some obscure formats I'm throwing at it | May 07 22:43 |
| _goblin | hopefully my Wolvix Q&A with the creator will be published this weekend..... | May 07 22:43 |
| oiaohm | ffmpeg most likely DaemonFC | May 07 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | first thing I tried as FLAC, then I tried APE | May 07 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | it plays WavPack | May 07 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | I tried MP2, MP3, and M4A files | May 07 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | it also plays every Windows Media format including Pro profiles for 9 and 10 | May 07 22:45 |
| oiaohm | Still sounds very much like ffmpeg | May 07 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | it also plays Vorbis | May 07 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | just tried that one | May 07 22:46 |
| oiaohm | ffmpeg over 100 plus formats. | May 07 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | lets me set a Vorbis file as my ringtone, hah | May 07 22:46 |
| oiaohm | And is simple to embed than vlc | May 07 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | yes, it says it uses Linux | May 07 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | and there's Java apps all over | May 07 22:46 |
| oiaohm | Ok that could be java media extentions using ffmpeg | May 07 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | pretty much the entire phone runs on FOSS | May 07 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 07 22:47 |
| oiaohm | We are seeing more FOSS devices. | May 07 22:47 |
| oiaohm | At the rate of growth in FOSS by end of Next year they could be the dominate items in the market. | May 07 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | it's easier to repurpose some FOSS than it is to rewrite everything you need from scratch | May 07 22:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Watching http://bit.ly/c6PPjE wow. Moglen really goes hard on Windows here in a Q&A session. Never seen him like this. | May 07 22:48 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- Eben Moglen - Freedom in The Cloud - Part 2: Q&A .::. Size~: 79.65 KB | May 07 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | that's the business appeal to it | May 07 22:48 |
| oiaohm | Yep the all critical time to market. | May 07 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | my DirecTV set top box runs on Linux | May 07 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | this is the best set top box and DVR I've used | May 07 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | very fast, good menu layout | May 07 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | lots of storage | May 07 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast DVRs still only hold about 15 hours | May 07 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | this thing holds about 200 hours :P | May 07 22:49 |
| oiaohm | Yep of course more time to worry about the interface less time spent on the internals. | May 07 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | I'd set the Comcast box to record my shows, and if I wasn't watching everything inside of 2 days, it was deleting them for space before I could watch the show | May 07 22:50 |
| oiaohm | Its the effect open source is having. | May 07 22:50 |
| oiaohm | And now that effect is going back into mainline projects. | May 07 22:51 |
| oiaohm | We are seeing open source mature. | May 07 22:51 |
| oiaohm | Something that should have MS really worried. | May 07 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, MSNTV flopped almost instantly | May 07 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | even with Microsoft paying satellite companies to use them | May 07 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | customers hated them is what happened | May 07 22:53 |
| _goblin | oh this is a classic......... | May 07 22:53 |
| _goblin | quote "if Linux pulled their fingerout and started to make big deals with companys like dell etc to have their programs installed" | May 07 22:53 |
| _goblin | I'd like to say it was a Microsoft advocate who said that...... | May 07 22:53 |
| oiaohm | They don't get it do they. | May 07 22:54 |
| _goblin | unfortunately it was my clueless work collegue who has finally worked out Twitter and trying to engage in conversation. | May 07 22:54 |
| oiaohm | Big issue is Linux lack of fanotify. | May 07 22:54 |
| oiaohm | Most kick backs to companies like Dell come from anti-virus companies. | May 07 22:54 |
| oiaohm | And currently Linux does not make it simple to install a real time scanning anti-virus. | May 07 22:55 |
| oiaohm | Hopefully fanotify will be in 2.6.35 it missed out on 2.6.34 | May 07 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | storm clouds all over | May 07 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | satellite signal is still fine | May 07 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 07 23:01 |
| oiaohm | That all depends on freq. | May 07 23:02 |
| oiaohm | Ie if freq used reacts with water or not. | May 07 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | May 07 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | wonder if said tornado will take me to a far away land in technicolor | May 07 23:03 |
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| DaemonFC | why does Logo run so many Buffy The Vampire Slayer reruns? | May 07 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | Is she a lesbian or something? | May 07 23:05 |
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| DaemonFC | heh, Science Channel HD | May 07 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | awesome :) | May 07 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | How It's Made, talking about making deep cycle batteries | May 07 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 07 23:22 |
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| DaemonFC | lmao | May 07 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | not only are satellite internet plans 10 times more expensive than DSL/Cable, they cap you at like a few hundred megs per day | May 07 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | after that, there's overages | May 07 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 07 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | who would sign a contract like this? | May 07 23:33 |
| MinceR | someone who has no other option | May 07 23:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Using Backtrack3 for the first time to scan wifi access points to put mine on a better channel.Seems it's currently suboptimal. | May 07 23:35 | |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I was on 768k DSL for years, MinceR | May 07 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | didn't even care until things like Youtube started popping up | May 07 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | that's when I had them put me on the 1.5 Mbps plan | May 07 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | and it's just creeped up higher from that every year :P | May 07 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | it's an incline to upgrade | May 07 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | every time you add bandwidth, something comes up that you want to use that is too much for it and you have to get more bandwidth | May 07 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | what aggravated me with Comcast was when they 1. Eliminated the 6 Mbps plan 2. Moved me up to the 12 Mbps plan and then 3. Started throttling everyone so I only had that much bandwidth for the first minute of a download, then it would come back down to about 6 Mbps. | May 07 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | call it better service and use it as an excuse to force more money from you. | May 07 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | "No, we can't download the 6 Mbps configuration file to you anymore, our hands are tied." :P | May 07 23:43 |
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