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| DaemonFC | they went over the agonizing process of getting legitimate programs to compile and run and made a "compile the malware" joke | May 14 00:00 |
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| DaemonFC | so unless the malware is packaged for your version of your distro, it'll likely totally fail | May 14 00:00 |
| WireWulf | but a lin virus would have to affect something standered in every linux kernel | May 14 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | thus sharing the problem that plagues legitimate programs | May 14 00:00 |
| cubezzz | yikes, well there's satellite, but you probably don't want it | May 14 00:00 |
| ender2070 | ewww | May 14 00:00 |
| ender2070 | lol | May 14 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | satellite TV is better than cable | May 14 00:01 |
| ender2070 | ill be back, gonna check on aircrack :) | May 14 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | but there's no good way to get satellite internet | May 14 00:01 |
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| DaemonFC | it's slow, laggy, and expensive | May 14 00:01 |
| cubezzz | oh I agree, especially FTA | May 14 00:01 |
| WireWulf | i'll stick with my adsl thinks | May 14 00:02 |
| cubezzz | Wirewulf, just run AROS or Haiku, I don't think they have any viruses :) | May 14 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | even satellite internet is starting to look ood compared to dealing with AT&T | May 14 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | I can't even get them to set up my ******* DSL | May 14 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | everytime they set up a date to install it, something, their fault, happens | May 14 00:02 |
| WireWulf | cubezzz: linuxx only has one virus that could enfect it but lol this is just theory | May 14 00:02 |
| cubezzz | uh, so what are you using now DaemonFC? | May 14 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | stupid incompetent jerkoffs who can't even make sure they commit the order or have the right house | May 14 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Still have Comcast until Monday | May 14 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | so I really hope AT&T can get my DSL hooked up on Tuesday | May 14 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | like they tell me | May 14 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | this time | May 14 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 14 00:03 |
| schestowitz | What's the quick /.htaccess rule to deny all "index.php?edit*" with wildcard? | May 14 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Why do they even need to send a tech out? I already have a line. | May 14 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | Can't they just push a button and turn it on? | May 14 00:04 |
| cubezzz | ummm, no I don't think so | May 14 00:04 |
| cubezzz | you're DSLAM has to be set up | May 14 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | they can push a button to turn it off can't they? | May 14 00:05 |
| cubezzz | your | May 14 00:05 |
| cubezzz | nope | May 14 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | no appointment when they cut the service | May 14 00:05 |
| cubezzz | they must do it physically | May 14 00:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right, time for bed. Good night all..... | May 14 00:05 | |
| DaemonFC | I may call AT&T just to do a sanity check | May 14 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | make sure the rep today didn't fuck anything over that I find out about on Tuesday | May 14 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | I am livid | May 14 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | this is already the third time I was supposed to have DSL and didn't due to some stupidity of theirs | May 14 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | once you have DSL all set up, I think it's actually better than cable | May 14 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | I only had it go down once in the 3 years I had it | May 14 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | and they never throttled me | May 14 00:08 |
| WireWulf | AT&T doexsnt do as hard checking on p2p connection | May 14 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast is choking all downloads now | May 14 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | they give you full speed for about 1 minute | May 14 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | then cut that in half | May 14 00:15 |
| WireWulf | sucks | May 14 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, let's them sell you a 12 Mbps line | May 14 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | and really give you a 6 Mbps one | May 14 00:16 |
| WireWulf | .02mbps if you are using torrents | May 14 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | nah, they don't choke some torrents | May 14 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | they have manually whitelisted certain torrents | May 14 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | they must have | May 14 00:17 |
| WireWulf | lol | May 14 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | cause I've never had them choke Linux downloads | May 14 00:17 |
| WireWulf | traxcker sites | May 14 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | beyond their standard download choke that is | May 14 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | so if I download Fedora, it may start at 1.5 MB a sec and slow down to about 750-ish KB sec right? | May 14 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | but other torrents tend to get choked down to 100-200 KB a sec even if there are a bajillion seeds | May 14 00:18 |
| WireWulf | mmhmm | May 14 00:19 |
| WireWulf | that the one thing i liked about ktorrent | May 14 00:19 |
| WireWulf | d/l masking | May 14 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | the good news though is they are throttling on per torrent basis | May 14 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | not overall download bandwidth | May 14 00:19 |
| WireWulf | yeah | May 14 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | so if I throw in a few more torrents, I'm likely to get my full speed | May 14 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | just divided between them | May 14 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | so their throttling system backfires, they encourage the user to grab more torrents | May 14 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | and they're using their total alloted bandwidth anyway B-) | May 14 00:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] I'm selling my Lefty Fender Stratocaster with 25 Watt Amplifier - not using it anymore, gone Telecaster! http://bit.ly/9SBhgN | May 14 00:21 | |
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| DaemonFC | so instead of grabbing one album or whatever, I now have the incentive to queue up a dozen or so | May 14 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 14 00:21 |
| WireWulf | yep | May 14 00:22 |
| WireWulf | lieve like anuff to watch videos and chat | May 14 00:22 |
| WireWulf | and bingo | May 14 00:22 |
| WireWulf | xD | May 14 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | throttling like they are implementing it encourages bandwidth hogs to hog more bandwidth than they otherwise would | May 14 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | that's what I think anyway | May 14 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | there shouldn't be throttling, just a cap | May 14 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | the cap encourages users to police themselves :P | May 14 00:25 |
| WireWulf | caps like in the UK? | May 14 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | nah | May 14 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | just say, you have 100 GB a month and no throttle | May 14 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | but once you get to 100 GB, we either slow you WAY down or start charging per GB | May 14 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | make is part of the agreement, get rid of the voodoo throttling policy | May 14 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | *it | May 14 00:26 |
| WireWulf | in the uk after 100GB your interWEs is shut down till you either pay extra or waail till next month for more interWEBz use | May 14 00:27 |
| WireWulf | wail if you pay for 100GB | May 14 00:27 |
| WireWulf | you can get lower caps like i have seen 10GB and 20GB caps | May 14 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think the shut down is a good thing to do | May 14 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | but like throttle their global bandwidth to like 10% of whatever they normally get | May 14 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | until the next month | May 14 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | but while they're in that first 100 GB, there's no throttle at all | May 14 00:28 |
| WireWulf | i like unlimited | May 14 00:29 |
| WireWulf | xD | May 14 00:29 |
| WireWulf | i have no cap | May 14 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but upgrading their network to handle that costs money | May 14 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | that means they would raise prices | May 14 00:30 |
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| WireWulf | yes and no | May 14 00:30 |
| WireWulf | comation keeps net rates low | May 14 00:31 |
| WireWulf | (and it is a ulitility as define by the us goverment) | May 14 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | cable isn't | May 14 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | anything the phone company does is a utility | May 14 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | AT&T doesn't have any fiber optic though, so they can't do a TV package | May 14 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | that's why for the TV bundle, you need the satellite company | May 14 00:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @greenpeaceuk new govt cancelling 3rd runway at #heathrow, plus new runways at stansted & gatwick! http://bit.ly/baWZUe #airplot #WeWON ! | May 14 00:37 | |
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| DaemonFC | neither one of them like the cable companies much, so they agree to knock down your TV bill a bit if you have AT&T DSL | May 14 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | WireWulf: It's actually the government's fault I can't get fiber | May 14 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | they're preventing Verizon from coming in here and competing with AT&T | May 14 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | "When the light comes on, just come in" is the slogan for a car repair place that just ran an ad on the channel I'm watching | May 14 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | I drive a 1995 Ford | May 14 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | I don't get a light before something fails | May 14 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | it just explodes while I'm driving with no advance warning :D | May 14 00:40 |
| WireWulf | lol | May 14 00:44 |
| WireWulf | i got a 1990 ford ranger | May 14 00:44 |
| WireWulf | what light | May 14 00:44 |
| WireWulf | ?? | May 14 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | the water pump was the last thing | May 14 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | basically everything that coolant touches has failed and been replaced now :) | May 14 00:45 |
| WireWulf | power relay failed was he last thing i had issues with | May 14 00:45 |
| WireWulf | nice | May 14 00:45 |
| *WireWulf needs a new starter | May 14 00:46 | |
| DaemonFC | been tapping it? :P | May 14 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | that won't work forever | May 14 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | I had Gonad The Barbarian's (former stepdad) grandson turn the key to start while the car was running and hold it there | May 14 00:48 |
| DaemonFC | fried it | May 14 00:48 |
| DaemonFC | I made GTB pay for the new starter | May 14 00:48 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 14 00:48 |
| DaemonFC | demon child | May 14 00:50 |
| DaemonFC | I remember talking to my mother about that kid and said "the sooner someone kills him, the less evil he can bring into the world" | May 14 00:50 |
| DaemonFC | that was before he raped his sisters and step brother :P | May 14 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | I'm prophetic I guess | May 14 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | it's one of those families where there's no discipline, kids start smoking at age 12 when their parents start buying them for them, they have someone pregnant for the first time by age 15, they have a felony or three by 17, and extended family living with them between prison stints by age 30 :) | May 14 00:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@RealTalibKweli your decision, of course; but cancellation is a public gesture that shows u won't tolerate the bigoted absurdity of #sb1070 | May 14 01:01 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Anyone who ever cracked a book sees that analogies to pre-war Germany, #apartheid are valid. #AZ #sb1070 apologists are dangerously ignorant | May 14 01:07 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] The blowout preventer failed to stop Palin riding a gusher of ignorance, poisoning the landscape of discourse. #gop | May 14 01:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Ignorance is the crude material. Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, and the rest just refine it into personal enrichment, burn it to fuel a dirty agenda | May 14 01:12 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Ignorance may be a renewable resource, but it sure has toxic byproducts when you power your life with it. #chernobyl #sb1070 #beck #palin | May 14 01:14 | |
| DaemonFC | Anyone know of a way to repel dust from an LCD screen? | May 14 01:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@realtalibkwali the issue isn't entirely about $ in #AZ economy. It's also about taking a visible, public stand against profound immorality | May 14 01:16 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu ’s Path to Freedom From #Mono Now a Short One http://ur1.ca/00sib finally, some good news from Canonical. Good move. | May 14 01:24 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] References to "nazi germany" obscure the fact that the situation could (does, is) arise anywhere, any time-Like #AZ today. #sb1070 @gtomex | May 14 01:24 | |
| Techrights | Title: Ubuntus Path to Freedom From Mono Now a Short One | Techrights .::. Size~: 89.58 KB | May 14 01:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] public perception (no thx to hollywood) is that #nsdp in pre-war germany was a '1-off', 'can't happen here'. WRONG. Read a book. #az #sb1070 | May 14 01:25 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@realtalibkweli #apartheid more than analogy: same*implementation*. These things start same way & follow same slippery slope. Labelling ppl | May 14 01:28 | |
| *WireWulf had a felony by 17 | May 14 01:32 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@avivao any focus on President as personality or person is ridiculous. he's only spokesman for an agenda-and not a socialist one ;-) #obama | May 14 01:34 | |
| WireWulf | umm obama is a socialist (so i disagree with the last tweet) | May 14 01:35 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #EPA dumping obsolete, highly toxic dispersants into gulf in huge quantities! http://bit.ly/cOu2iu #oil #energy #pollution via @tomphilpott | May 14 01:40 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Perfect Palin photo-op: Prove offshore drilling safe by taking a swim in #oil/dispersant soup. Lamestream media loves swimsuit shoots! #gop | May 14 01:42 | |
| DaemonFC | WireWulf: He's not a socialist | May 14 01:44 |
| DaemonFC | a socialist would never have agreed to the corporate windfall for health insurance companies | May 14 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | regardless your feelings about socialism | May 14 01:45 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Re: #oilspill, you do not want to read this. http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/05/13/1953208 #gop #palin #energy #pollution | May 14 01:46 | |
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| yuhong | Yea, you can see that MS is trying to pretend that the internally discovered vulnerablities do not exist. | May 14 01:46 |
| yuhong | With nasty side-effects. | May 14 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | yuhong: Would you admit your product was defective or silently fix it and send out the update quietly? | May 14 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | They're doing the right thing (for them) | May 14 01:47 |
| yuhong | it is not that simple. MS do admit outside reported vulnerablities. | May 14 01:48 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, in that case it also makes sense | May 14 01:48 |
| DaemonFC | no sense in arguing after it's public already anyway | May 14 01:49 |
| WireWulf | wee | May 14 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | the less they argue, the less attention it draws | May 14 01:49 |
| yuhong | but there was indeed many vendors that could not do even that. | May 14 01:50 |
| yuhong | Even FreeBSD had one such disaster. | May 14 01:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Enlarged Board of Appeal confirms approach to controversial software patents http://ur1.ca/00soy | May 14 01:51 | |
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| yuhong | I wrote it up in a comment. | May 14 01:51 |
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| DaemonFC | Emerson won't publish their remote control codes | May 14 01:52 |
| DaemonFC | so I finally found it by doing a code search that took about 20 minutes :P | May 14 01:52 |
| WireWulf | boo | May 14 01:53 |
| *WireWulf has a knock off emerson tv | May 14 01:53 | |
| DaemonFC | at least I don't have to use that crappy remote to control the TV now | May 14 01:53 |
| DaemonFC | I can use my DirecTV one for both it and the box :) | May 14 01:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] SUEPO: EU Patent legislation - Accession of the European Union to the European Patent Organisation http://ur1.ca/00sqb | May 14 01:53 | |
| DaemonFC | WireWulf: The screen is great | May 14 01:54 |
| DaemonFC | the speakers leave something to be desired though | May 14 01:54 |
| DaemonFC | but I have it hooked up to my PC speakers :) | May 14 01:54 |
| DaemonFC | I can't complain much though, 32" LCD HDTV for $298 | May 14 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | that's not bad seeing as how much of those are at least $200 more | May 14 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | *most | May 14 01:55 |
| WireWulf | i have a sympathic (or something like that) i have it hooked to a 4000w sony stereio tho | May 14 01:55 |
| WireWulf | i love my mom's sony waga tv tho | May 14 01:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Downgraded Portege m100 to Ubuntu 9.04 in hope of stable video. Perhaps able to work using it tomorrow! Here's to bloody mindedness. | May 14 01:57 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #followfriday @shoq has the hard truths | May 14 02:10 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #followfriday @_goblin @ruiseabra @davidgerard | May 14 02:14 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] TechDirt Explains How #Microsoft / #BSA / #IDC Game the Press, #GNU #Linux is Getting #Games http://ur1.ca/00sx1 | May 14 02:15 | |
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| DaemonFC | I just had to have Comcast reactivate my internet service cause they disconnected it | May 14 02:53 |
| DaemonFC | because I told them to | May 14 02:53 |
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| DaemonFC | because AT&T was supposed to have been out twice by now | May 14 02:53 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 14 02:53 |
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| DaemonFC1 | cubezzz: the dish lost signal :P | May 14 03:32 |
| DaemonFC1 | major thunderstorm overhead | May 14 03:32 |
| DaemonFC1 | to be fair, Comcast would also be down about now | May 14 03:32 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] !Java 7 is going to have multi-catch http://ur1.ca/00tiv | May 14 04:22 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Tell the Senate: Don't vote for climate bill that rolls back #CleanAirAct & increases offshore drilling! http://bit.ly/bbt6Am | May 14 04:22 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Sandy Springs, GA apparently thinks 14 year olds can commit terrorism with a drawing http://ur1.ca/00tkp | May 14 04:32 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Dichloroacetate Effective Against Aggressive Brain Cancer http://ur1.ca/00tnf !science | May 14 04:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'chief advantage of [foreign] registry-owner is relieved of continual...inspections' #Transocean rig under foreign flag http://bit.ly/de43UC | May 14 05:36 | |
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| Omar87 | Hi all | May 14 06:42 |
| MinceR | r4wr | May 14 06:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I really wish the first chapter in the book #FreedomTM was about Bill Gates and not the fictional character Hollis.. -_- #DanielSuarez | May 14 06:51 | |
| MinceR | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/05/how-removing-ps3-linux-hurts-the-air-force.ars | May 14 06:54 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @ishtarmuz @MonsantoCo: Hi @OrganicConsumer #Monsanto donated conventional seed[to #Haiti] not #GMO http://bit.ly/cz3yy3 #GMO /&tomorrow? | May 14 07:23 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Why are First Ladies always the last to know? | May 14 07:54 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Only one little letter separates First Lady from Fist Lady ... (bye followers!) | May 14 07:54 | |
| MinceR | http://www.gamespy.com/articles/108/1089088p1.html | May 14 07:55 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] What different world we'd live in if Xtian Bible preached AGAINST rapacious greed,violence,cruelty,injustice,war & environmental destruction | May 14 07:57 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@fallow dunno, Ive always struck me as a passionless cold fish of a genius :) #apple | May 14 07:59 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Sad day... ♺ @SICNoticias: Morreu o fiscalista Saldanha Sanches http://ow.ly/1KXqV (fotos, para quem precisar, http://is.gd/c8qhR ) | May 14 08:35 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Kuwait Move from #SUSE to #RedHat Shows That #Novell and #Microsoft Deceive on ‘Interoperability’ http://ur1.ca/00uqe | May 14 08:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Oooo, the joggler is back down to £50 again until the end of May! http://shop.o2.co.uk/joggler | May 14 08:46 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Streaming music over the network from @humphreybc computer.. Noticed Celine Dion.. | May 14 08:58 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Mick Jagger on the radio says he is quite relaxed about file sharing. | May 14 09:05 | |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz, did you read the Gralla post I gave you yesterday? | May 14 09:26 |
| schestowitz | nO | May 14 09:33 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to link to him | May 14 09:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] EmDebian Considers OIN Membership, EBoA Makes the Legal ‘Industry’ Happy, Phones Industry Harmed by Patents http://ur1.ca/00uzi #swpat | May 14 09:34 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.t3.com/news/new-dating-site-exclusively-for-apple-users?=45315 "No ugly Windows or Linux users need apply for site that will apparently only work on Macs" | May 14 09:34 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/07/fotw/ | May 14 09:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.androidspin.com/2010/05/08/iphone-3g-infected-with-the-android-bug/ | May 14 09:39 |
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| schestowitz | Yuck. Moon Lie: http://geekshuiliving.com/2010/05/10/netflix-on-linux-why-this-is-advantageous-for-everyone/ | May 14 09:43 |
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| schestowitz | Writing an operating system book using virtual machines < http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/61025 > Ubuntu Launches New ‘Unity’ Enviroment For Netbooks <http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/ubuntu-launches-new-unity-enviroment-for-netbooks-11-05-2010/ > | May 14 09:57 |
| schestowitz | It uses Vala | May 14 09:57 |
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| schestowitz | Similar to C# | May 14 09:57 |
| schestowitz | Same with f-spot's replacement | May 14 09:57 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Canonical evade Mono this way | May 14 09:57 |
| schestowitz | http://techie-buzz.com/foss/linagora-acquires-mandriva.html | May 14 10:03 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] '#Toronto has 3rd largest #design industry in North America & [is] a major export for #Canada.' National policy sought: http://bit.ly/cMSMuz | May 14 10:05 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'some estimates comparing flow to an Exxon Valdez every four days' #Palin #gop #oil #energy #bp http://bit.ly/cutxMl #oilspill #gulf | May 14 10:12 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I am looking at NEWS headlines this morning and seeing "OpenOffice is dead - ZDNet (blog)">why is this ZeeDeeNet FUD in the friggin' "news"? | May 14 10:23 | |
| schestowitz | Patent stacker for Microsoft? http://twitter.com/rachaelip | May 14 10:27 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/new?replyto=jospoortvliet&inreplyto=32163064 "@schestowitz I'm fine with attacking novell (I do think it's silly) but attacking suse is wrong - just a foss community doing their best..." | May 14 10:41 |
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| schestowitz | heh. | May 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | "@jospoortvliet That's SLES, not SUSE/OpenSUSE. You can hardly even get source code for it and it is 'sold' by Microsoft ("patent royalies")" | May 14 10:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: Mr. Dawson ignores that MS Office webapps aren't free (Gratis), since they require a MS Office License. | May 14 10:44 | |
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| schestowitz | Looks nice: http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/aigo-launches-maemo-based-walkshow-nx7001-13-5-2010/ | May 14 10:57 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst it's the headline which was worst | May 14 10:59 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Wow. Maemo is nice. See this picture: http://tamss60.tamoggemon.com/2010/05/13/aigo-nx7001-walkshow-maemo-not-from-nokia/ | May 14 11:09 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Oops. I mant MeeGo | May 14 11:09 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Learning about the new #ubuntu Unity interface at #uds. Looking gorgeous. Loving how much goes into this from designers, artists and devs! | May 14 11:11 | |
| MinceR | whoa, Qt for Series 40? | May 14 11:12 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/projects/edgar.php?v=0.55 | May 14 11:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @popey there is a new review of it @ http://www.zdnet.co.uk/blogs/jamies-random-musings-10006480/ubuntu-unity-netbook-edition-10015689/ | May 14 11:21 | |
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| schestowitz | http://fsfe.org/news/2010/news-20100510-01.en.html | May 14 11:21 |
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| schestowitz | KDE founder got one too. Don't hold your breathe for similar awards in the US, where those who get accolades are career criminals like Rockefeller and gates | May 14 11:22 |
| schestowitz | breath | May 14 11:22 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: https://ssl.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbwssl.cgi | May 14 11:24 |
| schestowitz | What did you do about it? | May 14 11:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google is killing Scroogle https://ssl.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbwssl.cgi No spying, no GooGoo #spying #privacy #google | May 14 11:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] @schestowitz The new interface looks even more awesome than the current one. Looking forward to trying it on a netbook. | May 14 11:26 | |
| MinceR | schestowitz: switched to ixquick for now | May 14 11:27 |
| MinceR | waiting to see what happens | May 14 11:27 |
| schestowitz | http://iphonehelp.in/2010/05/09/ubuntu-10-04-lts-supports-iphoneitouch-playback-and-syncing/ | May 14 11:27 |
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| schestowitz | Way to market a GNU/Linux | May 14 11:27 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: if enough people slam GOogle for it, they might reconsider | May 14 11:28 |
| MinceR | for now i can't really tell if screwing scroogle was their intention | May 14 11:28 |
| MinceR | scroogle explains that they were using a (stable) interface intended for ie6 or something, which google officially stopped supporting recently | May 14 11:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/05/13/DDL91DDIMM.DTL&type=entertainment | May 14 11:30 |
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| schestowitz | New generation, new version? | May 14 11:30 |
| schestowitz | How many 'remakes' of the same corny story for its known 'trademark'? | May 14 11:30 |
| schestowitz | "Robin Hood Forvever" | May 14 11:31 |
| schestowitz | "Robin Hood Returns"... | May 14 11:31 |
| schestowitz | The whole 'franchise'...... | May 14 11:31 |
| MinceR | Bride of Robin Hood | May 14 11:31 |
| schestowitz | Groom? | May 14 11:32 |
| MinceR | Son of Robin Hood | May 14 11:32 |
| MinceR | Robin Hood vs. Jason | May 14 11:32 |
| schestowitz | For the 21st century it would be a fit (even though I'm straight) | May 14 11:32 |
| schestowitz | Along the lines of http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388795/ | May 14 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: or they could add year number to "Robin Hood" | May 14 11:33 |
| schestowitz | Like those other films with the same name that are being modernised with new superstars | May 14 11:33 |
| MinceR | :) | May 14 11:33 |
| MinceR | Robin Hood 2.0 | May 14 11:34 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, it was Kevin Costner who played Robin Hood when I was a kid | May 14 11:34 |
| schestowitz | Then there are the different generations of James Bong and Batman | May 14 11:34 |
| MinceR | lol | May 14 11:34 |
| schestowitz | Depending on how old the person you ask, the different personification these 'famous' characters have | May 14 11:34 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Tim O'Reilly 0.1 | May 14 11:34 |
| MinceR | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107977/ | May 14 11:35 |
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| schestowitz | Beta | May 14 11:35 |
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| schestowitz | See? I told you | May 14 11:35 |
| schestowitz | They turn this into a feminine thing | May 14 11:35 |
| MinceR | that was an awesome parody. | May 14 11:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/ubuntu-developing-new-unity-ui-instant-on-versions-for-netbook/6455 | May 14 11:36 |
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| schestowitz | Too many things called Unity already | May 14 11:36 |
| schestowitz | "Ubuntu" is about unity | May 14 11:36 |
| MinceR | the Unity of Unities! | May 14 11:36 |
| schestowitz | Recursion (aborting) | May 14 11:37 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2010/05/peppermint-linux-mixes-ubuntu.html | May 14 11:37 |
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| schestowitz | Food names | May 14 11:37 |
| schestowitz | Sabayon seems to have gone more obscure | May 14 11:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/Articles/2010/05/10/33688/indaba-2010-south-africa-targets-5-growth-despite-budget.html "Armstrong added the tourist board will also repeat its Ubuntu marketing award in conjunction with Travel Weekly." | May 14 11:38 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.slipperybrick.com/2010/05/nintendo-home-theater-pc-casemod/ Linux on Nintendo | May 14 11:39 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.co.uk/blogs/jamies-random-musings-10006480/ubuntu-1004-lucid-lynx-glitch-in-mobile-broadband-10015688/ | May 14 11:40 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.katonda.com/blog/1132/facebook-dictatorship-wont-allow-ubuntu-torrent | May 14 11:41 |
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| schestowitz | Where can I find images that criticise Apple and are not copyrighted? | May 14 11:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/index.cfm?reviewid=3223331 | May 14 11:47 |
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| MinceR | defectivebydesign.org? :> | May 14 11:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Ubuntu-developers-set-application-line-up-for-10-10-999777.html http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/39086-ubuntu-throws-out-mono-based-phot-editing-app | May 14 11:49 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: they have too few | May 14 11:49 |
| schestowitz | I'v used those | May 14 11:49 |
| schestowitz | I want caricatures of Apple people | May 14 11:50 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/12/scroogle_returns/ | May 14 11:53 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/32051213#notice-32172756 "@schestowitz scroogle still works for me" | May 14 11:54 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @mnordhoff #Scroogle has been fixed. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/12/scroogle_returns/ | May 14 11:55 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I was led to believe that "Scroogle has been blocked," based on FSDaily - http://ur1.ca/00vso seems like just a glitch | May 14 11:56 | |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: thx | May 14 11:58 |
| MinceR | the new interface is in danger of going away for the same reason, though :> | May 14 11:59 |
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| oiaohm | Interesting. shotwell is vala | May 14 12:02 |
| oiaohm | That is gnome developers take on the object nature of C# | May 14 12:02 |
| oiaohm | But builds to a native program. | May 14 12:02 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Ik heb een YouTube-video aan mijn favorieten toegevoegd -- ( Linux vs Windows ) Killer ... http://youtu.be/MYXZIbm4XTQ?a | May 14 12:06 | |
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| oiaohm | http://durian.blender.org/download/ sintel trailers are out | May 14 12:15 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Ik heb een YouTube-video aan mijn favorieten toegevoegd -- Killer Tux ( Linux vs Windows ) http://youtu.be/W9_DQjQbtTY?a | May 14 12:18 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] IDG/IDC spuugt weer eens Microsoft Propaganda (Engels): http://tinyurl.com/3x6gftb #walgelijk | May 14 12:19 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODI0OA The long trip to bring the new graphical system to life on Linux is slowing coming to it end. | May 14 12:30 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.core77.com/blog/object_culture/deliver_takeaway_an_open_source_for_ideas__16548.asp | May 14 12:41 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUVVjgayFaY | May 14 13:05 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] 5 mins until I give a 'lightning talk' at #uds about #mumbuntu. Gonna have to talk fast to squish a 30 min presentation into 5 min! | May 14 13:12 | |
| MinceR | plasma-desktop 4.3 has now reached the point at which i can no longer use it | May 14 13:13 |
| MinceR | it is perfectly incapable of useful behavior | May 14 13:13 |
| oiaohm | Too many widgets? MinceR | May 14 13:13 |
| MinceR | didn't change their number | May 14 13:14 |
| MinceR | it's just a buggy piece of crap | May 14 13:14 |
| MinceR | i had some trouble with a systray applet | May 14 13:14 |
| MinceR | so i tried restarting both | May 14 13:14 |
| oiaohm | Thinking I am still running 4.2 | May 14 13:14 |
| MinceR | even without that app killing and restarting plasma-desktop leaves it unusable | May 14 13:15 |
| MinceR | it fucked up the layout and i can't fix that either | May 14 13:15 |
| MinceR | i guess it's time to give enlightenment+ecomp a try | May 14 13:15 |
| oiaohm | Ok sounds like you killed it. | May 14 13:15 |
| oiaohm | In the bad sence. | May 14 13:15 |
| MinceR | the first symptom was that clicking on the ktimetracker window made it vanish instead of the normal response | May 14 13:16 |
| oiaohm | Ok not wise. | May 14 13:16 |
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| oiaohm | some item in KDE I avoid. | May 14 13:16 |
| oiaohm | ktimetracker is one of them. | May 14 13:17 |
| MinceR | clicking on the cashew makes it freeze with the menu up now. | May 14 13:17 |
| MinceR | well, even without ktimetracker running, plasma-desktop is unusable now | May 14 13:17 |
| oiaohm | Currently downloading ubcd 5.0 Yes it at long last got released. | May 14 13:17 |
| MinceR | so it isn't only a ktimetracker bug | May 14 13:17 |
| oiaohm | Yep it a plasma-desktop configuration file bug. | May 14 13:18 |
| oiaohm | I normally set my plasma-desktop and leave the bugger alone. | May 14 13:18 |
| MinceR | great, so i can set it up from scratch again | May 14 13:18 |
| MinceR | fuck this | May 14 13:18 |
| cubezzz | sounds like you are ready for KDE 3.5 :) | May 14 13:19 |
| Ender2070 | KDE 3.5 is really fast | May 14 13:19 |
| MinceR | only if i give up on compositing | May 14 13:19 |
| MinceR | which i might | May 14 13:19 |
| oiaohm | It takes more alterations each version of KDE 4.x release before plasma screws up. MinceR | May 14 13:19 |
| MinceR | since i've already tried compiz and kde4 and they both fail hard | May 14 13:19 |
| cubezzz | I think there's even a distro that still uses KDE 3.5 | May 14 13:20 |
| MinceR | there's only ecomp (or ecomorph, or whatever) and metisse (which has less functionality, afaik) left | May 14 13:20 |
| cubezzz | or you could just compile the source | May 14 13:20 |
| Ender2070 | backtrack4 :) | May 14 13:20 |
| Ender2070 | and debian | May 14 13:20 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: do you know which file does plasma screw up? | May 14 13:20 |
| oiaohm | I avoid it happing. | May 14 13:20 |
| MinceR | afaik even debian lacks kde3 now | May 14 13:20 |
| oiaohm | So I don't have to fix it. | May 14 13:20 |
| Ender2070 | debian stable has kde3 | May 14 13:20 |
| MinceR | iirc i went back to kubuntu after they took it out | May 14 13:21 |
| oiaohm | Ie set plasma desktop way I like once and leave alone after that. | May 14 13:21 |
| MinceR | or they said that it will be gone in the next release | May 14 13:21 |
| MinceR | i had it set up the way i like it | May 14 13:21 |
| Ender2070 | ahh | May 14 13:21 |
| Ender2070 | i use fedora | May 14 13:21 |
| Ender2070 | 13 will be out soon | May 14 13:22 |
| oiaohm | Yes Fedora has a few patches that fix the plasma file issue. | May 14 13:22 |
| oiaohm | That debian did not intergrate | May 14 13:22 |
| oiaohm | Yes with debian nature to patch things they sometimes can miss important thigns. | May 14 13:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats not true at all | May 14 13:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | debian will probably pick that patch up when upstream accpets it | May 14 13:22 |
| MinceR | also, debian packaged gnome-do in a fucked up way | May 14 13:22 |
| Ender2070 | fedora just has a dedicated kde team | May 14 13:22 |
| MinceR | but i don't use gnome-do now | May 14 13:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | whatever the patch is | May 14 13:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: debian doesnt really care about mono | May 14 13:23 |
| Ender2070 | they work with upstream a lot i read | May 14 13:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | no one uses it, and they have no dedicated devs | May 14 13:23 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: the patches are upstreamed for KDE 4.4 | May 14 13:23 |
| Ender2070 | directhex | May 14 13:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: then kde 4.4 has to release them in a new release | May 14 13:23 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: funny thing: ubuntu packaged it correctly | May 14 13:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070: hes ubuntu | May 14 13:23 |
| Ender2070 | hes the debian mono packager | May 14 13:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | and hes also a moron | May 14 13:23 |
| Ender2070 | he does both | May 14 13:23 |
| Ender2070 | apparently | May 14 13:23 |
| MinceR | yay, now i have an applet that extends outside the panel | May 14 13:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070: the ubuntu team does both | May 14 13:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | and its not really an ubuntu team either | May 14 13:24 |
| Ender2070 | and i agree he is a moron | May 14 13:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | but they're more ubuntu than debian | May 14 13:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | mono really has no place anywhere | May 14 13:24 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | May 14 13:24 |
| MinceR | even clicking on the cashew of the other panel makes plasma freeze | May 14 13:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, we all say OH MONO IS SO EVIL IT EATS YOUR SOUL | May 14 13:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | but like | May 14 13:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | who cares | May 14 13:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | no one uses it | May 14 13:24 |
| Ender2070 | one of the fedora kde guys really doesnt like mono | May 14 13:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | the aboslute shittyness of it killed it before patents or bombs or terrorism ever became an issue | May 14 13:25 |
| Ender2070 | he also likes BN | May 14 13:25 |
| oiaohm | Lot of the KDE guys don't like mono | May 14 13:25 |
| oiaohm | From all kinds of places. | May 14 13:25 |
| Ender2070 | yeah i know | May 14 13:26 |
| oiaohm | vala from gnome is starting to get some project behind it. | May 14 13:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: not really. | May 14 13:27 |
| oiaohm | Really as long as it is enough to push mono stuff out. That is enough backing. | May 14 13:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, it doesnt | May 14 13:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | it just _fixes_ mono stuff | May 14 13:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | as in, not everything should be gigantic fucking shit ran in a JITted virtual machine | May 14 13:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | sometimes you really do want precompiled shit | May 14 13:31 |
| MinceR | i'd like precompiled non-shit | May 14 13:31 |
| MinceR | but i'd settle for JIT-ted non-shit | May 14 13:31 |
| MinceR | but apparently shit is all the industry is interested in providing. | May 14 13:32 |
| Ender2070 | thats what is GREAT about golang | May 14 13:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: this is why I like Java | May 14 13:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ii spend a little more memory and a little more startup time for a really really really fucking fast vm | May 14 13:33 |
| MinceR | apparently plasma-desktop is now randomly intercepting clicks | May 14 13:33 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: i'm waiting for it to not spend that much memory (i.e. java 7) | May 14 13:33 |
| MinceR | but seriously, i'm not talking about speed | May 14 13:34 |
| MinceR | i'm talking about reliability | May 14 13:34 |
| Ender2070 | Google Go | May 14 13:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | java is very reliable | May 14 13:37 |
| Ender2070 | go is very reliable | May 14 13:37 |
| MinceR | managed to unfuck my panel after a little threatening with d-bus | May 14 13:38 |
| MinceR | go is a useless toy language | May 14 13:38 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: java might be reliable, but that doesn't do shit if the apps themselves aren't | May 14 13:38 |
| Ender2070 | java is a useless toy language | May 14 13:38 |
| MinceR | no language nor VM is a silver bullet | May 14 13:39 |
| Ender2070 | go has import silver.bullet | May 14 13:39 |
| Ender2070 | bam | May 14 13:39 |
| MinceR | which does nothing | May 14 13:39 |
| Ender2070 | then again python has antigravity | May 14 13:40 |
| oiaohm | python makes a good language to use instead of visual basic for applications. | May 14 13:40 |
| MinceR | go has no support for OOP nor for exception handling | May 14 13:41 |
| oiaohm | But even python is getting built as native options. | May 14 13:41 |
| Ender2070 | OOP? | May 14 13:41 |
| MinceR | object-oriented programming | May 14 13:41 |
| MinceR | never heard of it? | May 14 13:41 |
| Ender2070 | umm yes it does | May 14 13:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: well, no | May 14 13:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: if programmers are fucktards, they are fucktards | May 14 13:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | no language can make you not a fucktard | May 14 13:42 |
| Ender2070 | there are languages that can make you a fucktard | May 14 13:43 |
| Ender2070 | ie mono | May 14 13:43 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: which is exactly my problem | May 14 13:44 |
| MinceR | the overwhelming majority of programmers doesn't care | May 14 13:44 |
| MinceR | Ender2070: http://golang.org/doc/go_faq.html#Is_Go_an_object-oriented_language | May 14 13:45 |
| Techrights | Title: FAQ .::. Size~: 19.1 KB | May 14 13:45 |
| MinceR | umm no it does not | May 14 13:45 |
| Ender2070 | bam it does | May 14 13:45 |
| Ender2070 | read it | May 14 13:45 |
| MinceR | it does not | May 14 13:45 |
| MinceR | read it | May 14 13:45 |
| Ender2070 | 'Yes and no.' | May 14 13:45 |
| MinceR | (also, it requires javacript to display the index on top, how fucked up is that?) | May 14 13:45 |
| Ender2070 | 'Although Go has types and methods and allows an object-oriented style of programming, there is no type hierarchy.' | May 14 13:45 |
| Ender2070 | 'allows an object-oriented style of programming' | May 14 13:45 |
| Ender2070 | bam | May 14 13:45 |
| Ender2070 | OOP | May 14 13:45 |
| MinceR | Ender2070: inheritance is one of the fundamental concepts of OOP | May 14 13:46 |
| MinceR | which go does not support | May 14 13:46 |
| oiaohm | type hierarchy is in modern day oop Ender2070 | May 14 13:46 |
| Ender2070 | OOP doesn't require it | May 14 13:46 |
| oiaohm | Other wise we could call C OOP | May 14 13:46 |
| MinceR | sure, if you redefine OOP to make go OOP, then it will become OOP in your little world | May 14 13:46 |
| MinceR | but not in the real world | May 14 13:46 |
| Ender2070 | ok | May 14 13:46 |
| Ender2070 | its OOP-style | May 14 13:46 |
| MinceR | it's a toy language | May 14 13:46 |
| Ender2070 | not quite OOP, but OOP enough | May 14 13:47 |
| MinceR | for go fans | May 14 13:47 |
| Ender2070 | java was a toy when it came out | May 14 13:47 |
| MinceR | indeed | May 14 13:47 |
| MinceR | and since java 5 it isn't | May 14 13:47 |
| Ender2070 | we'll see what go is in 15 years | May 14 13:47 |
| MinceR | we'll see | May 14 13:47 |
| MinceR | but now go is a toy language | May 14 13:47 |
| Ender2070 | it has a lot of potential | May 14 13:48 |
| oiaohm | Problem here so did D have a lot of potential | May 14 13:48 |
| MinceR | i don't see any potential in "let's take things away" in a practical language | May 14 13:48 |
| oiaohm | The question is will that potential grow into anything. | May 14 13:48 |
| MinceR | java was pretty much useless until they realized that taking things away was a stupid idea | May 14 13:49 |
| Ender2070 | then they added a billion libraries | May 14 13:49 |
| MinceR | (doing a whole line of casting and other magic to retrieve an int from a dynamic array? no thanks.) | May 14 13:49 |
| Ender2070 | http://golang.org/doc/go_lang_faq.html#inheritance | May 14 13:51 |
| Techrights | Title: Language Design FAQ .::. Size~: 25.15 KB | May 14 13:51 |
| oiaohm | http://accu.informika.ru/acornsig/public/articles/oop_c.html Yes doing OOP in C is not exactly fun. But its nicer than doing it in ASM where I learnt OOP programing. | May 14 13:52 |
| MinceR | python has duck typing too | May 14 13:52 |
| MinceR | yet it also has inheritance | May 14 13:52 |
| MinceR | and the disadvantages of duck typing are already known | May 14 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Big thing of python is it forces clean coding style. | May 14 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Don't do you style right it don't run. | May 14 13:52 |
| MinceR | glib supports OOP in C but it's really messy, afaict | May 14 13:52 |
| oiaohm | That is the catch people like to forget. Language does not have to support OOP to do OOP. | May 14 13:53 |
| oiaohm | But a good supporting OOP languge makes OOP friendly. | May 14 13:53 |
| MinceR | if the language doesn't support OOP, that causes a lot of ways to make hidden bugs that can really hit you later | May 14 13:54 |
| MinceR | if you're doing OOP in it anyway | May 14 13:54 |
| Ender2070 | having concurrency built in is nice too | May 14 13:55 |
| oiaohm | That is what I was meaning about friendly. | May 14 13:57 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: | May 14 13:57 |
| MinceR | :) | May 14 13:57 |
| oiaohm | For items like blender where many people might be working on scripts and the like. Forced style of python is a great god send. | May 14 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Python is one of the few languages that fails if you style code wrong. | May 14 13:59 |
| MinceR | that only applies to indentation though | May 14 13:59 |
| MinceR | and there are pitfalls to that too | May 14 14:00 |
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| oiaohm | It also blocks stacking of statements on a single line. MinceR | May 14 14:01 |
| MinceR | iirc not really | May 14 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Yes there are pitfalls. But reward . | May 14 14:01 |
| MinceR | >>> print "Hello"; print "world" | May 14 14:02 |
| MinceR | Hello | May 14 14:02 |
| MinceR | world | May 14 14:02 |
| Ender2070 | what | May 14 14:02 |
| Ender2070 | no \n or endl ? | May 14 14:03 |
| MinceR | also, >>> exec "print 'hi'\nprint 'there'" | May 14 14:03 |
| MinceR | hi | May 14 14:03 |
| MinceR | there | May 14 14:03 |
| MinceR | :> | May 14 14:03 |
| MinceR | Ender2070: it's implied by default | May 14 14:03 |
| Ender2070 | what if you dont want the next line | May 14 14:04 |
| MinceR | add a comma | May 14 14:04 |
| MinceR | then it leaves a space | May 14 14:04 |
| MinceR | if you don't want that either, use the methods of sys.stdout | May 14 14:04 |
| Ender2070 | oh ok good | May 14 14:04 |
| Ender2070 | lol | May 14 14:05 |
| Ender2070 | i've been learning some C and C++ | May 14 14:05 |
| MinceR | that was python, though :> | May 14 14:06 |
| MinceR | c and c++ aren't that sensitive to coding style | May 14 14:06 |
| Ender2070 | yeah i like that better | May 14 14:07 |
| MinceR | so do i | May 14 14:08 |
| MinceR | for example, i can copy a block to a different nesting level and simply tell gvim to reindent it | May 14 14:09 |
| MinceR | can't do that in python | May 14 14:09 |
| Ender2070 | kdevelop4 will do that too | May 14 14:09 |
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| Ender2070 | lol in ##c++ - saying 'i think its missing a semicolon' when refering to someones code sample | May 14 14:12 |
| DaemonFC1 | Steve Ballmer is the Ernst Röhm of Microsoft | May 14 14:15 |
| DaemonFC1 | with less hair | May 14 14:15 |
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| DaemonFC | uggh, daytime TV | May 14 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | the most interesting thing on are documentaries about the Nazis | May 14 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | then once you leave Fox News, there's other stuff I guess | May 14 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | May 14 14:18 |
| Ender2070 | yo man | May 14 14:20 |
| Ender2070 | watch the soviet story | May 14 14:20 |
| Ender2070 | nazi's AND commies | May 14 14:20 |
| Ender2070 | mostly commies | May 14 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: I get Fox 55 Fort Wayne, Fox News HD, Fox Business HD, and Fox Reality HD | May 14 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 14 14:20 |
| Ender2070 | I get Fox 29 | May 14 14:20 |
| Ender2070 | buffalo | May 14 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, you don't get 55? | May 14 14:21 |
| Ender2070 | i dunno actually | May 14 14:21 |
| Ender2070 | havent watched tv in a long time | May 14 14:21 |
| DaemonFC | it's FTA too, I could get it with antenna | May 14 14:21 |
| DaemonFC | UHF band | May 14 14:21 |
| Ender2070 | how close is fort wayne to canada? | May 14 14:21 |
| DaemonFC | uhhhm, I'm about 200-ish miles south of the Canadian border if I recall correctly | May 14 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | well, southwest | May 14 14:22 |
| Ender2070 | ontario? | May 14 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | if you consider the closest crossing | May 14 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | I think so | May 14 14:22 |
| Ender2070 | how close to buffalo | May 14 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | 436 miles per Google | May 14 14:23 |
| Ender2070 | hmm i dunno | May 14 14:23 |
| Ender2070 | I grew up with fox 29 buffalo and thats all | May 14 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | closest way out of the state would be to Ohio :) | May 14 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | that's about 35 miles from me | May 14 14:24 |
| Ender2070 | that was like the only american tv channel till rogers got better | May 14 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | the Canadian Propaganda policy? | May 14 14:24 |
| Ender2070 | the second was TBS | May 14 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | "Canadian Content" | May 14 14:24 |
| Ender2070 | nah this was all before satellite before the norm | May 14 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | I guess that would be like your government going all FCC on you | May 14 14:24 |
| Ender2070 | no huge company here in canada | May 14 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | Rogers is like your Comcast from what I gather | May 14 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | only worse than Comcast | May 14 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 14 14:25 |
| Ender2070 | took a while for rogers to have enough weight to pick up american stations | May 14 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | 50 GB cap | May 14 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | I'd blow past that in a week sometimes | May 14 14:26 |
| Ender2070 | all canadian isps are terrible | May 14 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | Timewarner got bought out by Brighthouse, but they have a 25 GB cap | May 14 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | that's what Grant County gets (about 20 miles south of me) | May 14 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | think it's like $2.50 per GB over that | May 14 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | greedy SOBs | May 14 14:27 |
| Ender2070 | up here we have choice | May 14 14:27 |
| Ender2070 | we can choose the local phone company (bell 99%) or the local cable company (rogers 80% of the time, shaw/cogeco 20% of the time) | May 14 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | here you get choice between your local government mandated cable company, your local government mandated telephone company, or satellite internet | May 14 14:28 |
| Ender2070 | any other isp uses the lines of either of those two choices | May 14 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | if you are thinking satellite, it's faster and cheaper to just get a card to hook up your cell phone to your PC | May 14 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 14 14:28 |
| Ender2070 | and they are bound by any network policies enforced, such as traffic shapping | May 14 14:28 |
| Ender2070 | after bell throttled torrents, everyone who used them moved to third party dsl, then bell throttled third party dsl | May 14 14:29 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: I think the government meddling is the cause of high prices and shitty service | May 14 14:29 |
| Ender2070 | now bell is trying to get third partys to charge as much as they are | May 14 14:29 |
| DaemonFC | if you got rid of that and made them compete, there would be a different story | May 14 14:29 |
| Ender2070 | rogers gets credit for being first to throttle torrents though | May 14 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | I called Verizon to check into their FIOS service and was told they were forbidden from serving this area | May 14 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | cause AT&T is already here with POTS and DSL | May 14 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 14 14:31 |
| Ender2070 | they are like the only option for cable based high speed | May 14 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | no fiber for me :) | May 14 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | ancient copper | May 14 14:31 |
| Ender2070 | for wimax, you got two choices again | May 14 14:31 |
| Ender2070 | bell or rogers | May 14 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | no Wimax here | May 14 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | thank the government again | May 14 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart was going to offer 1.5 MBps for $15 a month | May 14 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | until the government stopped them | May 14 14:32 |
| Ender2070 | thats aweful | May 14 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | they were going to set up everything on top of all their stores | May 14 14:32 |
| Ender2070 | that would've been a great idea for Walmart | May 14 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | I'd be using it on day 1 | May 14 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | that's a good deal | May 14 14:33 |
| Ender2070 | yeah it is | May 14 14:33 |
| Ender2070 | in north america anyways | May 14 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | then the government proceeded to top broadband over power lines | May 14 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | which would have been $10 a month for 3 MBps | May 14 14:33 |
| Ender2070 | at the expense of ham and shortwave | May 14 14:34 |
| DaemonFC | the government is protecting the obscene profit margins of the cable and phone companies | May 14 14:34 |
| DaemonFC | probably due to bribes from lobbyists | May 14 14:34 |
| Ender2070 | and hobbyists | May 14 14:34 |
| DaemonFC | what's great is that Comcast internet starts at $57 a month | May 14 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | then you get a franchise fee of $3.50 a month on that | May 14 14:36 |
| Ender2070 | what a deal | May 14 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | and then you have to rent a modem from them for $7 a month | May 14 14:36 |
| Ender2070 | oh yeah | May 14 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | can't buy one | May 14 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | then they have the nerve to advertise the bandwidth tiers at twice what you actually get | May 14 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 14 14:37 |
| Ender2070 | i remember when bell used to say it was x times faster than dialup, and they rated dialup @ 28.8k | May 14 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | heh, same here | May 14 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | with AT&T | May 14 14:37 |
| Ender2070 | and | May 14 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | last time I had dial up, it connected at like 48k or so | May 14 14:38 |
| cubezzz | I have 2 DSL modems :) | May 14 14:38 |
| Ender2070 | its the phone companies fault that dialup is so slow | May 14 14:38 |
| cubezzz | of course you can buy one | May 14 14:38 |
| Ender2070 | they regulated what you can put through it | May 14 14:38 |
| cubezzz | order one online :) | May 14 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | I laughed when the data transfer cable for my cell phone says you can use it as a dial up modem | May 14 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | lol | May 14 14:39 |
| Ender2070 | uploading is capped at 33.6k for regular phone customers | May 14 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather just use my mobile internet | May 14 14:39 |
| Ender2070 | if you connected to your friend with a 56k modem to modem, 33.6 was the fastest the two of you could ever get together | May 14 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | right, cause the 56.6k was the max download speed | May 14 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | 33.6 was the max upload | May 14 14:40 |
| Ender2070 | the phone companies did that though | May 14 14:40 |
| DaemonFC | all you're doing with a dial up modem is using the voice channel of that line for data transfer | May 14 14:40 |
| DaemonFC | which is fine, for a fax machine :) | May 14 14:40 |
| Ender2070 | it was fine back then too when data was small | May 14 14:40 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, dial up is next to useless now | May 14 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | most of the internet becomes inaccessible without broadband | May 14 14:41 |
| Ender2070 | a single update on ubuntu would kill a dialup connection for entire day | May 14 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | oh yeah, Fedora update churn | May 14 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | forget that | May 14 14:41 |
| Ender2070 | i said ubuntu | May 14 14:42 |
| Ender2070 | fedora uses deltas, its not that bad | May 14 14:42 |
| DaemonFC | all RPM to Delta RPM migration would do for dial up is make updating painful instead of impossible | May 14 14:42 |
| DaemonFC | yes, but Fedora gets more updates than Ubuntu | May 14 14:42 |
| Ender2070 | i'd rather have the updates than not have them | May 14 14:42 |
| DaemonFC | that goes double if you have test updates enabled | May 14 14:42 |
| DaemonFC | and Fedora becomes a different release within that release | May 14 14:43 |
| Ender2070 | and fedora does get more updates than ubuntu but thats good | May 14 14:43 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu doesn't | May 14 14:43 |
| cubezzz | more fun doing your own updates | May 14 14:43 |
| DaemonFC | right, like you could get a totally new KDE version as an official Fedora update | May 14 14:43 |
| cubezzz | that way you can see if you break anything right away | May 14 14:43 |
| DaemonFC | but that will never happen in Kubuntu | May 14 14:43 |
| cubezzz | maybe :) | May 14 14:43 |
| Ender2070 | when you run the latest fedora thats what you get | May 14 14:43 |
| Ender2070 | if you dont want the latest, stick with the last release | May 14 14:44 |
| Ender2070 | right now you would use F11 if you want stability | May 14 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | I think they did that with Fedora 11 too | May 14 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | caused a lot of bitching | May 14 14:44 |
| Ender2070 | they did but its changing | May 14 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | about updating a short-lived release that was about to die like that | May 14 14:44 |
| Ender2070 | the current release will always have the latest | May 14 14:44 |
| cubezzz | Ender2070, yeah or... :) | May 14 14:45 |
| Ender2070 | the last release will receive bug fixes only and security | May 14 14:45 |
| cubezzz | fc1? :) | May 14 14:45 |
| Ender2070 | they were talking about this but its just an idea | May 14 14:45 |
| Ender2070 | currently the KDE team releases the latest KDE for all fedora versions as its easier to maintain | May 14 14:45 |
| Ender2070 | KDE doesnt backport either | May 14 14:46 |
| cubezzz | I'm hearing lots of good things about F13 though | May 14 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | ATI's driver isn't working | May 14 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | they only started working with 12 | May 14 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | ) | May 14 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 14 14:46 |
| cubezzz | ok, well I have F10 on the lappy | May 14 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | uggh, downstairs neighbor is running those subwoofers again | May 14 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | white trash | May 14 14:49 |
| oiaohm | Thing people forget debian supports debdiff can be used by apt. There is not a full need to be using full package downloads. | May 14 14:51 |
| oiaohm | Ie delta are not the only way to reduce update sizes. | May 14 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: They aren't parking their car on the lawn....yet | May 14 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 14 14:53 |
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| DaemonFC | yay, daytime Judge shows | May 14 14:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | back | May 14 15:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | [08:26:59] <MinceR> Diablo-D3: which is exactly my problem | May 14 15:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | [08:27:13] <MinceR> the overwhelming majority of programmers doesn't care | May 14 15:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: I agree, but the problem is its ALL languages | May 14 15:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | every. single. one. | May 14 15:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | out of mainstream languages, theres only one that doesnt | May 14 15:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | and thats lisp | May 14 15:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | lisp is so fucking difficult for people who cant program that generally they give up before shipping bad code | May 14 15:03 |
| MinceR | lisp isn't complete and never will be | May 14 15:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, lisp is complete, by the very definition of it being lisp | May 14 15:03 |
| MinceR | they gave up before they made a syntax for it | May 14 15:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | all languages eventually will become lisp | May 14 15:04 |
| MinceR | they'll become unreadable? | May 14 15:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: well | May 14 15:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | the glory of lisp is that you're not restricted to just lispy syntax | May 14 15:04 |
| MinceR | sure | May 14 15:04 |
| MinceR | you could just use C++ instead :> | May 14 15:04 |
| MinceR | or Python, or Java, or whatever you want | May 14 15:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, you have weird shit | May 14 15:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | like perl | May 14 15:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | you start with a sh/C hybrid inspired language | May 14 15:05 |
| MinceR | but then you aren't using lisp | May 14 15:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | then start throwing in rather lispy ideas | May 14 15:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | perl just goes a different direction with them | May 14 15:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: the problem with lisp is that its perfect as a programming language | May 14 15:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | which means its exceedingly hard for humans to use | May 14 15:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | you quite literally have to make flaws in the language so humans can use it | May 14 15:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | most languages inherit the C family of flaws | May 14 15:07 |
| oiaohm | So in your mind machine language would not be bad to code in Diablo-D3 | May 14 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: for another machine to code it? no | May 14 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | for a human to code it? it'd be impossible | May 14 15:08 |
| oiaohm | Not impossible. | May 14 15:08 |
| oiaohm | Insanely hard. | May 14 15:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, without thinking like a machine | May 14 15:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | some people really can | May 14 15:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | and you have people like knuth who think lisp is too high level and abstract | May 14 15:09 |
| Ender2070 | [09:34] <oiaohm> Ie delta are not the only way to reduce update sizes. | May 14 15:10 |
| Ender2070 | sure helps not having to download a 20mb firefox package when 1 file gets changed | May 14 15:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | delta is the most efficient way | May 14 15:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | you don't even need full file deltas | May 14 15:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | (although binary patching is usually not worth it) | May 14 15:11 |
| oiaohm | deb binary diff would reduce it about the same. | May 14 15:12 |
| oiaohm | But you still need the package you are diffing against. | May 14 15:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: like I said, its not worth it | May 14 15:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | yum/rpm doing package diffing is really just a novelty | May 14 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | what programming language can I use to program a cyborg assassin with a thick Austrian accent to kill the idiots downstairs? | May 14 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | cause I want to learn that one :) | May 14 15:13 |
| oiaohm | Why does it even have to talk to them. | May 14 15:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | hmm? | May 14 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | because it just might have to | May 14 15:14 |
| Ender2070 | it'll need to demand their clothes and their motorcycle | May 14 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | exactly :D | May 14 15:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070: your clothes, your boots, and your motorcycle | May 14 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPhCc10Od30 | May 14 15:15 |
| oiaohm | Personally I prefer pack of robot spiders. | May 14 15:15 |
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| DaemonFC | their 20-something burnout son's Southpole attire and their 1993 green Buick with tons of rust, dents, and dings | May 14 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | it'll look badass when it gets done with that | May 14 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | and that is a fucking epic music video | May 14 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RITE-FiW5Gg&feature=related | May 14 15:17 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] if you get confusion between Ubuntu vs Fedora OR Joomla vs Drupal , then just use a coin to decide. no need to Google search | May 14 15:18 | |
| Ender2070 | pretty badass music video | May 14 15:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | playing in a hottub AND underwater. | May 14 15:18 |
| Ender2070 | hey | May 14 15:19 |
| Ender2070 | Joomla vs Drupal is pretty valid | May 14 15:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPIO86jTrQQ | May 14 15:19 |
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| Ender2070 | so is Fedora vs Ubuntu | May 14 15:19 |
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| MinceR | Diablo-D3: actually programming languages are _for_ humans to use | May 14 15:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: yes, which is why lisp is only for very insane people | May 14 15:22 |
| MinceR | but if you're so turned on by lisp, use it | May 14 15:22 |
| MinceR | have fun | May 14 15:22 |
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| Ender2070 | xkcd likes it | May 14 15:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: ugh no thx | May 14 15:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | even God wont use lisp | May 14 15:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | also, goddamnit Ender2070 | May 14 15:38 |
| MinceR | that's right, i won't | May 14 15:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070: I was waiting to make the obvious xkcd joke | May 14 15:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then you blow it | May 14 15:38 |
| MinceR | you were waiting too much | May 14 15:39 |
| MinceR | you always wait too much to make a joke | May 14 15:39 |
| MinceR | and someone always blows it for you because of this | May 14 15:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Surprised that the server team lead has decided byobu should not be enabled by default in #ubuntu 10.10 server. | May 14 15:42 | |
| Ender2070 | http://xkcd.com/224/ | May 14 15:44 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Linux" Deserves "More Damn Respect" http://www.techradar.com/news/world-of-tech/10-tech-firms-that-should-get-more-damn-respect-688936 | May 14 15:49 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Family's #Proxy Server Runs #GNU #Linux http://www.anandtech.com/show/3715/family-proxy | May 14 15:58 | |
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| DaemonFC | ugggh | May 14 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | tomorrow's HDNET concert is Fall Out Boy | May 14 16:01 |
| *DaemonFC signs Ender2070 up to watch that one | May 14 16:01 | |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, they have Santana on Sunday | May 14 16:02 |
| Ender2070 | lol | May 14 16:03 |
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| DaemonFC | heh, wrestling lessons, that's pretty gay | May 14 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 14 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | just rack him in the nuts and give him a right hook before he can reel back | May 14 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | easy | May 14 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | that's what your right knee is there for!!! | May 14 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | dumbass | May 14 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 14 16:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Finnish Schools Testing #GNU #Linux, Hundreds of Schools Already Use #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/00xoh #finland | May 14 16:09 | |
| DaemonFC | sometimes having standards just lets your enemy go one notch lower than you're willing to | May 14 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 14 16:09 |
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| DaemonFC | oh no | May 14 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | VH1 80s is "classic" now? | May 14 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | my only gripe about DirecTV is that Palladia HD is not available without the HD Extras package and I did have that on Comcast | May 14 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | but there's about 30 channels I didn't have on Comcast that I do have now ) | May 14 16:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] #uds is over (except for final wrap up), lots of great plans for #ubuntu 10.10! Man we're gonna be busy. | May 14 16:24 | |
| DaemonFC | http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-20004982-261.html | May 14 16:27 |
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| DaemonFC | Does anyone care? | May 14 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | Limewire is dead = less Windows malware roaming the internet P | May 14 16:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Security / Rescue CDs Facilitated by #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/00xsn http://ur1.ca/00xso | May 14 16:29 | |
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| MinceR | DaemonFC: it's a bad precedent. | May 14 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | they can't kill the protocol | May 14 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | the network survives | May 14 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 14 16:30 |
| MinceR | they can intimidate/attack anyone who develops an app to use it. | May 14 16:30 |
| MinceR | and they can even attack the protocol | May 14 16:30 |
| MinceR | sweden has already shown that law itself is no obstacle to the worldwide conspiracy. | May 14 16:31 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Kernel Space Conference Chooses Brazil as Location http://ur1.ca/00xt5 http://ur1.ca/00xt6 http://ur1.ca/00xt8 | May 14 16:31 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Robbie Williamson @undacuvabrutha about to take the stage at #uds to tell us about the Maverick release schedule.. maybe 10.10.10... :) | May 14 16:32 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] #ubuntu 10.10 'may' have btrfs as the default filesystem.. _may_ #uds | May 14 16:48 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] #ubuntu 10.10 will drop i386 and i486, will be i686 upwards only. Lucid still supports them as LTS. #uds | May 14 16:48 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] #ubuntu sparc port suggestion made to tech board to drop it unless a maintainer is found | May 14 16:48 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | [11:31:31] -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell- [popey] #ubuntu 10.10 will drop i386 and i486, will be i686 upwards only. Lucid still supports them as LTS. #uds | May 14 16:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | except linux doesnt support actual 386 hardware anymore | May 14 16:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | and some 486s wont work either | May 14 16:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] #ubuntu 10.10 will have 2.6.35 linux kernel, pushing more kernel patches upstream, help users debug kernel issues. | May 14 16:59 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] At the pub......... great stuff.... http://twitgoo.com/vknc4 | May 14 17:00 | |
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| cubezzz | does anyone here run 386? :) | May 14 17:01 |
| cubezzz | probably most folks here never even owned a 386 | May 14 17:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Glimpse at the Future of #GNOME Desktop http://ur1.ca/00y02 http://ur1.ca/00y03 http://ur1.ca/00y04 | May 14 17:05 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] RT @etienneg btrfs optional, not default, in Maverick. But you know that now! :) #ubuntu #uds | May 14 17:05 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] #ubuntu 10.10 DX team 'people love unity, lots of bug reports. global menu, good feedback from community and upstream.' | May 14 17:06 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at Future Releases of #Ubuntu http://ur1.ca/00y0t http://ur1.ca/00y0u http://ur1.ca/00y0v http://ur1.ca/00y0w | May 14 17:07 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linagora Acquires #Mandriva http://techie-buzz.com/foss/linagora-acquires-mandriva.html | May 14 17:11 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Question is, how long can funkydeams rant on for until he notices that I am totally ungripped. | May 14 17:16 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Line of Payment Terminals Runs #Linux http://www.contactlessnews.com/2010/05/10/hypercom-luanches-l5000-line-of-payment-terminals | May 14 17:35 | |
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| Ender2070 | hopefully in time for the apocolypse, the rest of us will just recover our snapshots | May 14 17:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux is Beating Both #Apple and #Microsoft at Mobile Game http://www.serverwatch.com/eur/article.php/3881461/article.htm | May 14 17:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #Netbook Edition 10.10 Likely to Drop #FSpot ( #Mono ) and #Firefox http://ur1.ca/00z0l #google #chrome #gnu #linux | May 14 19:36 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] How can I block all this #Diaspora SPAM? Up until now its nothing but vaporware. :-( | May 14 20:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] How can I block all this !Diaspora SPAM? Up until now its nothing but vaporware. :-( | May 14 20:11 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] On the way home, damn good evening, said goodbye to a friend who is leaving the team.....He's honoured, I never usually go to team do's. | May 14 20:24 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] On way home..... http://twitgoo.com/vkweg | May 14 20:27 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] A much as I'm loathed to admit it , I will miss @funkydeams ....... good guy. | May 14 20:35 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] At. St albans http://twitgoo.com/vkwsw | May 14 20:37 | |
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| sebsebseb | http://jimlynch.com/index.php/2010/05/12/canonicals-red-headed-stepchildren/ | May 14 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | I saw that, sebsebseb | May 14 20:47 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: What you think? | May 14 20:47 |
| schestowitz | I'll post this | May 14 20:48 |
| sebsebseb | you'll post it? | May 14 20:48 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Nearing the end of my journey home.... http://twitgoo.com/vkxp1 | May 14 21:01 | |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: you'll see | May 14 21:03 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #HTC Daemonised for Defending Itself From #Apple Bullies; US and EU #Patent Systems Still Misguided http://ur1.ca/00znf #swpats | May 14 21:10 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] It's a shame that Garzon was suspended. | May 14 21:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] A scandal not much different than a corrupter being cleared by the court because he was dumb enough to try with the wrong person (in Pt) | May 14 21:14 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] 100 Milhões € pagavam cerca de 1/3 do aumento do IVA até ao fim do ano. Em licenças Microsoft do e-Escolas+e-Escolinhas dava para mais 1/3. | May 14 21:21 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Internet Explorer a Sign of Things to Come for #Windows http://techrights.org/2010/05/14/msie-vs-windows-drown/ | May 14 21:31 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft et al. “Embrace and Extend” That Whole “Open Thing” http://ur1.ca/00ztl #swpats #novell | May 14 21:48 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW: He doesn't miss a trick or ever lose a beat. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/34586.html | May 14 21:50 | |
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| ender2070 | Microsoft should buy Mandriva | May 14 21:51 |
| ender2070 | and make a Windows based on Linux | May 14 21:51 |
| schestowitz | http://paidcontent.org/article/419-soros-joins-yahoo-as-an-alibaba-investor/ | May 14 21:51 |
| ender2070 | like Apple did with FreeBSD | May 14 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Yuck | May 14 21:51 |
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| schestowitz | ender2070: joke, right? | May 14 21:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] New #Wikipedia skin/logo: see prototype wiki for drafts! http://prototype.wikimedia.org/en.wikipedia.org/ | May 14 21:51 | |
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| ender2070 | people might actually use mandriva then | May 14 21:51 |
| ender2070 | lol | May 14 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva's assets are not much to with code, either | May 14 21:51 |
| ender2070 | actually it might get people to stop - and they should - it sucks | May 14 21:52 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/gbraad/statuses/13990179080 "@schestowitz this was somehow expected as Canonical was the company who helped Google with Chrome OS." | May 14 21:52 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/13864791942 | May 14 21:55 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @asteris Limux: City of Munich switches its 15k desktops to free software & open standards #ellakconf | May 14 21:58 | |
| schestowitz | no ff in ubuntu soon? http://identi.ca/conversation/32095783#notice-32218171 "@schestowitz Wow. Is that because fspot and FF are too bloated? What alternatives will they use?" | May 14 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | "I won't shoot the messenger... but just try to get your news more reliable ;): Ubuntu includes the Chromium browser for the Netbook release" | May 14 22:03 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/32095783#notice-32225922 | May 14 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | re Munich: "@schestowitz: to clarify, we are doing this project and are not finished yet, there are 3,000 pilot clients at the moment." | May 14 22:04 |
| schestowitz | slow...... | May 14 22:04 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz but it seems it's about Chromium instead.' | May 14 22:05 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz I know, but what will happened, is !khtml !konqueror dead?" | May 14 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Hmmm... works well for me (Konq) | May 14 22:06 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz I can start using it right now, I have no problem about it, but I just want to know. :( is !konqueror going to be dead?" | May 14 22:06 |
| schestowitz | I think it's moving to webkit sooner or later, no? | May 14 22:06 |
| schestowitz | ender2070..? | May 14 22:06 |
| ender2070 | ? | May 14 22:06 |
| ender2070 | konquerer? | May 14 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | May 14 22:07 |
| schestowitz | It has it optional now | May 14 22:07 |
| ender2070 | i dunno | May 14 22:07 |
| ender2070 | oh cool | May 14 22:08 |
| schestowitz | I'm starting to pace down my dents | May 14 22:08 |
| ender2070 | i happen to use the bookmark sync in chromium too | May 14 22:08 |
| schestowitz | It gives more room for discussions | May 14 22:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Role Reversal: Archos 5 Runs #Maemo and #Nokia #N900 Runs #Android http://ur1.ca/00zx9 http://ur1.ca/00zxa | May 14 22:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why is Google being blamed for killing papers? http://ur1.ca/00zz3 They bring relevant audience to _what they want_ [via @glynmoody ] | May 14 22:17 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vodacom 's Low-cost #GNU #Linux Machine Announced and Already Reviewed http://ur1.ca/00zym http://ur1.ca/00zyn | May 14 22:17 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/05/telephony-dos/ | May 14 22:18 |
| Techrights | Title: Thieves Flood Victims Phone With Calls to Loot Bank Accounts | Threat Level | Wired.com .::. Size~: 78.03 KB | May 14 22:18 |
| schestowitz | http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/12/diaspora-open-facebook-project/ | May 14 22:19 |
| Techrights | Title: Diaspora, The Open Facebook Alternative, Soars Past $50,000 In Micro-Funding [Update: Now Past $100,000] .::. Size~: 115.1 KB | May 14 22:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sap.com/about/investor/press.epx?pressid=13202 | May 14 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Yuck | May 14 22:20 |
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| schestowitz | Two bad companies | May 14 22:20 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Internet Device Runs #Nokia 's #Linux http://ur1.ca/0102h http://ur1.ca/0102i http://ur1.ca/0102k | May 14 22:38 | |
| Techrights | Title: Aigo Launches Maemo Based WalkShow NX7001 | Geeky Gadgets .::. Size~: 24.97 KB | May 14 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | http://digitaldebateblogs.typepad.com/digital_money/2010/05/soca-it-to-them.html | May 14 22:44 |
| Techrights | Title: Digital Money: SOCA it to them .::. Size~: 36.6 KB | May 14 22:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Iomega Device Runs #Linux and Nintendo Adapted to Run GNU/Linux http://ur1.ca/0105c http://ur1.ca/0105d | May 14 22:46 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Who US citizens love to dislike [IMG]: http://i40.tinypic.com/24exu68.jpg | May 14 22:52 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/32109339#notice-32231761 "@deadsuperhero @schestowitz sure, I guess everything is moving to !webkit, I do not mind !rekonq I just download it to have a feel of it. :D" | May 14 23:00 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Smart" #Television to Run #Linux http://ur1.ca/0108s http://ur1.ca/0108t | May 14 23:05 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Many Nice New Examples of #Linux Running Devices http://ur1.ca/00qx3 http://ur1.ca/010aq http://ur1.ca/010ar | May 14 23:09 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/69992.html | May 14 23:18 |
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| schestowitz | More WIkipedia FUD | May 14 23:19 |
| schestowitz | But Wales' history with the pr-n site ain't helping | May 14 23:19 |
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| schestowitz | cchttp://news.netcraft.com/archives/2010/05/14/faulty_flash_app_brings_xss_to_content_management_systems.html | May 14 23:23 |
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| schestowitz | Silly Flash | May 14 23:23 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #HP Likely to Bring Out #Linux Tablets This Year; Reasons to Avoid #HypePad Listed http://ur1.ca/010dq http://ur1.ca/010dr | May 14 23:24 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of #GNU #Linux Distributions for Netbooks; Canonical/Ubuntu Does It Its Own Way http://ur1.ca/010f7 http://ur1.ca/010f8 | May 14 23:32 | |
| Techrights | Title: Ubuntu Light Shuts Out Future Ubuntu Moblin/MeeGo Remixes | ITworld .::. Size~: 84.02 KB | May 14 23:32 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Version of the #Linux -based #Android Much Faster http://ur1.ca/010j6 http://ur1.ca/010j7 http://ur1.ca/010j8 | May 14 23:44 | |
| Techrights | Title: Benchmarks Put Android 2.2 at Wicked Fast&Like 450% Faster Than 2.1 | AndroidGuys .::. Size~: 41.61 KB | May 14 23:44 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.ip-192.com/2010/05/12/linux-mandriva-sa/ "Mandriva took over Linbox in 2006 and formed a partnership with Turbolinux, a rebranded Red Hat distribution, two years later. The collaboration resulted in the creation of Mambo-Labs, an entity that allowed both companies to share resources and technologies." | May 14 23:55 |
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| schestowitz | So I guess Manbo is dead too | May 14 23:55 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Sub-notebooks Embrace #Android With #Linux http://ur1.ca/010mo http://ur1.ca/010mp | May 14 23:58 | |
| Techrights | Title: Discount PC maker Cherrypal ditches Linux for Android 1.6, in the Cherrypal Asia » EuroDroid .::. Size~: 23.81 KB | May 14 23:58 |
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| DaemonFC | on the agenda tonight, my favorite Dominos pizza and Gladiator directors cut on blu ray :) | May 14 23:59 |
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