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| MinceR | on the agenda tonight, several hours of sleep :> | May 15 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | Sounds like a helluva agenda | May 15 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Prepare for it by drinking coffee | May 15 00:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux-based Android 2.2 Adds WiFi Hotspot Creation, Tethering http://ur1.ca/010rm http://ur1.ca/010rn | May 15 00:09 | |
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| schestowitz | On my agenda tonight; experiment with kde themes | May 15 00:10 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: So where's this blog entry, or whatever you were on about earlier. | May 15 00:12 |
| schestowitz | it's in identica. | May 15 00:13 |
| sebsebseb | link | May 15 00:13 |
| sebsebseb | ? | May 15 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The DirecTV Guide was made by someone with a sense of humor | May 15 00:13 |
| schestowitz | twitter messed up and didn't pick it up, or maybe identica did | May 15 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | they put the hardcore porn channels between the locals and the Disney Channel | May 15 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 15 00:13 |
| schestowitz | It's not pr0n, it's Disney | May 15 00:14 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: subscribe to my identica feed :-) | May 15 00:14 |
| sebsebseb | uhmm | May 15 00:14 |
| sebsebseb | I don't use idnetica | May 15 00:14 |
| sebsebseb | I mean I don't have an account | May 15 00:15 |
| sebsebseb | I might go on something on there though, if given a link | May 15 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | I'm getting rid of the Starz Showtime pack when the trial runs out | May 15 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | I already get everything Starz runs as part of my Netflix account :) | May 15 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | I wish they'd re-release all those old Jackie Chan movies on blu ray | May 15 00:30 |
| MinceR | gn | May 15 00:39 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/twitter/7722948/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-Twitter.html | May 15 00:42 |
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| MinceR | twatter | May 15 00:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Facebook Censors Torrents, Even Downloads of #GNU #Linux http://www.katonda.com/blog/1132/facebook-dictatorship-wont-allow-ubuntu-torrent | May 15 00:46 | |
| Techrights | Title: Facebook Censorship; Won't Allow Ubuntu Torrent | Katonda .::. Size~: 21.89 KB | May 15 00:46 |
| MinceR | even? especially. | May 15 00:47 |
| MinceR | facebook has close ties with m$. | May 15 00:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] America votes self out of the educational running http://is.gd/c9kOE Decline of empire. | May 15 00:47 | |
| Techrights | Title: Texas Conservatives Win Vote on Textbook Standards - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 73.67 KB | May 15 00:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Quem me dera ter tido uma prof gira que posasse na Playboy quando era novo... morro de inveja :) | May 15 00:48 | |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/32122381#notice-32244618 "@schestowitz damn, they obviously want to make sure they didn't miss anyone who wasn't pissed off already" | May 15 00:49 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How Desktop #GNU #Linux Would Save Money for Firefighters http://ur1.ca/010xr | May 15 00:52 | |
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| schestowitz | http://finance.yahoo.com/news/College-for-all-Experts-say-apf-3621490094.html?x=0 | May 15 01:11 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Air Force Uses #GNU #Linux, #MITRE uses GNU/Linux Too http://ur1.ca/0110n http://ur1.ca/00gj5 | May 15 01:13 | |
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| schestowitz | Ender2070: http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/05/14/1826233/Apple-Is-Nintendos-Enemy-of-the-Future | May 15 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | gn | May 15 01:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Desktop #GNU #Linux from #Dell $30 Chaper Than With #Vista7 Crippled Edition http://ur1.ca/0111n | May 15 01:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] recorded loads of music from #uds - Canonical All Stars. Hoping some of it doesnt sound like arse :) | May 15 01:43 | |
| Ender2070 | yeah i saw it | May 15 01:47 |
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| yuhong | AFRIK, on the iPhone disaster, buying stolen property is illegal. | May 15 02:16 |
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| Ender2070 | I think it's different if it's for journalism | May 15 02:51 |
| Ender2070 | at the very least, he *should* be protected, and his employer not | May 15 02:52 |
| Ender2070 | but hey, its the US court system | May 15 02:53 |
| Ender2070 | and california | May 15 02:53 |
| Ender2070 | fairness be damned | May 15 02:53 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Epic Beard Man's continuing tale http://ur1.ca/011jk | May 15 03:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @orissaconcerns: Bibhu Tarai, MP of Jagatsinghpur from CPI was arrested at today 2AM, on his way to support anti... http://bit.ly/cGzti9 | May 15 03:39 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] New blogspot: #Diaspora, after the hype http://tinyurl.com/2usb423 | May 15 05:06 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] New blogspot: !Diaspora, after the hype http://tinyurl.com/2usb423 | May 15 05:06 | |
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| DaemonFC | Ender2070: I love Penn and Teller | May 15 06:48 |
| DaemonFC | I might keep Showtime just because of their new season of Bullshit :) | May 15 06:48 |
| DaemonFC | "It looks like a possum fucked a dust buster!!!" | May 15 06:51 |
| DaemonFC | Penn on the Prius | May 15 06:51 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 15 06:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Up early and motivated.....I don't think the same will be said for @sawyerish, @markeeeeeeeeee or @funkydeams | May 15 07:02 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A US Army Federal Employee Uses Advanced #GNU #Linux Desktop http://www.junauza.com/2010/05/us-army-federal-employees-linux.html | May 15 07:18 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Internet Cafe Looking at #GNU #Linux for Savings http://cidtux.blogspot.com/2010/05/my-first-linux-distribution.html | May 15 07:26 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Consumer Reports 'Forgets' to Mention #GNU #Linux http://www.goodbyemicrosoft.net/news.php?item.578.4 | May 15 07:30 | |
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| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10113915.stm | May 15 07:33 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I'm exprimenting a little with KDE themes. Some are really nice, but Oxygen is by far the best. Any other suggestions? | May 15 07:35 | |
| DaemonFC | ozone | May 15 07:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Competition Inside #GNU #Linux Inspires and Improves Quality http://ur1.ca/012hg http://ur1.ca/012hh | May 15 07:37 | |
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| _goblin | good morning everyone | May 15 07:38 |
| schestowitz | o/ | May 15 07:40 |
| schestowitz | I saw that train pic of yours | May 15 07:41 |
| schestowitz | Ain't technology nice? You use your Linux-based phone to snap a shot, it goes to Twitter, gets grabbed by Perl, posted in IRC in real-time, then viewed | May 15 07:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bricsys.com/common/news.jsp?item=232 | May 15 07:42 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmmmm...... weird. This is in LXer feed: http://www.packtpub.com/article/creating-nhibernate-session-access-database-within-asp-dotnet | May 15 07:46 |
| Techrights | Title: Creating a NHibernate session to access database within ASP.NET | Packt Publishing Technical & IT Book Store .::. Size~: 90.2 KB | May 15 07:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Android-Loses-a-Pair-of-Senior-Members | May 15 07:49 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Finds Its Way Into Many Desktops, Thanks to Fast Booting http://ur1.ca/012je http://ur1.ca/012jf | May 15 07:52 | |
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| Techrights | Title: Sony Intros Second-Generation VAIO P - Adds performance, new features and updated design - Softpedia .::. Size~: 46.85 KB | May 15 07:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #HPC With "Modified Version of Linux" on Single Chip http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7762/ | May 15 07:59 | |
| Techrights | Title: Intels Single-chip Cluster Computer (SSC) | Linux Magazine .::. Size~: 43.08 KB | May 15 07:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @orissaconcerns: Urgent action needed - anti-POSCO activists are under attack in Orissa http://bit.ly/bxJtCP | May 15 08:01 | |
| Techrights | Title: Urgent action needed anti-POSCO activists are under attack in Orissa | Orissa Concerns .::. Size~: 18.71 KB | May 15 08:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @orissaconcerns: Police is standing at 20 meter Distance from Anti-posco Dharna. Seems 2 be waiting 4Orders. Put Pressure on orissa Govt | May 15 08:02 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @orissaconcerns: Call DC and SP Jagatsinghpur ASAP SP's no-09437094678-debodatta singh | May 15 08:05 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google 's Browser/OS Improves, Gets Priority http://ur1.ca/012lw http://ur1.ca/00zlb http://ur1.ca/012lx | May 15 08:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #HTC Makes EVO 4G #Ballnux Phones http://ur1.ca/012n4 http://ur1.ca/012n5 | May 15 08:16 | |
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| Techrights | Title: This Just In: HTC EVO 4G Due June 4 for $199.99 | AndroidGuys .::. Size~: 46.88 KB | May 15 08:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Petabyte Storage in a #Linux , Progress, Etc. http://ur1.ca/012oo http://ur1.ca/012op http://ur1.ca/012oq http://ur1.ca/00oxz | May 15 08:26 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Indian Government Likely Wants Linux; Canadian Web Hosting Picks #CloudLinux http://ur1.ca/012q3 http://ur1.ca/012q4 | May 15 08:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Application for Creating #GNU #Linux as Live USB http://www.techtree.com/India/Downloads/LiLi_USB_Creator_25/551-111110-654.html | May 15 08:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Bordeaux (Wine Based) 2.0.4 is Out, Reviewed http://ur1.ca/012rs http://ur1.ca/012rt | May 15 08:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Proprietary Software Comes to #Linux , #Skype Turns Hostile http://ur1.ca/012tq http://ur1.ca/012tr | May 15 08:59 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDFVAA_Mb5c Good talk | May 15 08:59 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Email sent to the #Microsoft #MVP program asking them to justify allowing some of the behavior I have written about on Openbytes. | May 15 09:00 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Getting back into 68k thanks to UAE and Devpac2. Brings back memories of happier computing times. | May 15 09:01 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Automated reply from #Microsoft #mvp "We have received your inquiry and will provide an initial response to you within two business days. " | May 15 09:06 | |
| schestowitz | "So many people have believed that the most important aspect of free software is the price (seduced, perhaps, by the duality of the english word ‘free’). While I agree that’s important, I am convinced it flows from having software freedom in the first place. This is the chance to prove it’s the freedom that matters most, and you’ll find my reports from the front line here on ComputerWorldUK." | May 15 09:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=2949&blogid=41 | May 15 09:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://opengameart.org/ | May 15 09:09 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #FVWM , K Desktop Environment Has New Push With Labels http://ur1.ca/012ya http://ur1.ca/012yb | May 15 09:29 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.samba.org/ Ok samba new theme. | May 15 09:46 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Rocking Out With A Linux Guitar http://is.gd/c9RLE | May 15 09:48 | |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: about time | May 15 09:50 |
| oiaohm | Now does that mean swat has a developer ? | May 15 09:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Diversity in #GNU #Linux Beneficial to Customers http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/05/11/linux-fragmentation-good-or-bad/ | May 15 09:52 | |
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| oiaohm | Fragmentation in some areas is bad. | May 15 09:59 |
| oiaohm | In other areas it good. | May 15 09:59 |
| oiaohm | Black and white its not. | May 15 09:59 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/32149882#notice-32276701 "& Craig Newmark of craigslist sits on Consumers Union's board. You'd think he'd have some input into such an article. Big fail." | May 15 10:08 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: yeah | May 15 10:10 |
| schestowitz | But it keeps developers happy to do their own thing | May 15 10:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Games and #GNU #Linux : Evidence of the Time http://ur1.ca/012x4 http://ur1.ca/012x5 | May 15 10:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu Women Team Restructured, Scope of Ubuntu Expands http://ur1.ca/01351 http://ur1.ca/01352 http://ur1.ca/01353 | May 15 10:11 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Police action started against Anti-Poso struggle & Dharna. Police started throwing Tear Gas & Rubber Bullets.Villagers are not Moving #posco | May 15 10:16 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] After rubber bullets, police now firing with real ones, blank fires in the air to scare people. 15 people Injured with rubber bullet #posco | May 15 10:17 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqN-SfLWTsM&feature=related | May 15 10:20 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzgokJdNtbk&feature=related | May 15 10:31 |
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| schestowitz | He's right | May 15 10:31 |
| _goblin | "My MVP Award Kit arrived today, gosh its gorgeous! :) Got a bit choked up ;)" | May 15 10:31 |
| _goblin | you couldn't make this stuff up. | May 15 10:31 |
| schestowitz | Where? | May 15 10:38 |
| schestowitz | New? | May 15 10:38 |
| schestowitz | Does that kit come with mascara (for "Lucy")? | May 15 10:38 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: can you give me a URL on that 'drag kit' of Da Costa? | May 15 10:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Around 100Villagers including Women and Children were Heavily injured. Police is now Burning Houses of Villagers http://bit.ly/8Y97jx #posco | May 15 10:41 | |
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| _goblin | schestowitz: yep....stand by | May 15 10:42 |
| schestowitz | Chronicles of a Microsoft shill | May 15 10:44 |
| _goblin | Its on his twitter.....second comment from bottom of page | May 15 10:45 |
| _goblin | twitter.com/adacosta | May 15 10:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Watch Microsoft shill @adacosta getting his latest bribe (they also sent him a laptop) http://twitter.com/adacosta/status/13811498547 | May 15 10:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] For those who don't know, @adacosta trolls Linux blogs under mutiple nyms while Microsoft sends him rewards | May 15 10:52 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz "Its a shame <insert deceased celeb here> didn't live to see it." | May 15 10:53 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Ive asked #Microsoft to comment on that. Email has been sent. Lets see what they say. | May 15 10:54 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] These xbox #360 vids never get old. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSUGWDiPMYA http://tinyurl.com/2g2268c #microsoft #fail | May 15 10:58 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] The SP, Debodatta Singh, 09437094678 is not answering the phone. http://bit.ly/8Y97jx #posco | May 15 11:05 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] The Collector Narayan Jena, 06724- 220199, is not in the office or cannot take phone calls. http://bit.ly/8Y97jx #posco | May 15 11:05 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] The ADM (ph: 09937755508) is in the Circuit house and not answering. http://bit.ly/8Y97jx #posco | May 15 11:06 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] The CM's office (ph: 0674-2531100) directs you to the home secretary. http://bit.ly/8Y97jx #posco | May 15 11:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Infact, person there refused 2 speak "law and order is under the Home Secretary" & CM "doesn't deal with this." http://bit.ly/8Y97jx #posco | May 15 11:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] The Home secretary, ph: 0674-2531515, is on leave today. His office asks me to call up Special Secretary http://bit.ly/8Y97jx #posco | May 15 11:09 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Reviews of #Ubuntu and Unity http://ur1.ca/013h5 http://ur1.ca/013h8 | May 15 11:09 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Special Secretary, amrit mohan prasad 0674 253676, is an IPS officer dealing with "this issue". http://bit.ly/8Y97jx #posco | May 15 11:09 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Special Secretary's office tells me that he is out on lunch and I should call him back later. http://bit.ly/8Y97jx #posco #kills | May 15 11:10 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Btrfs May Be The Default File-System In Ubuntu 10.10 http://is.gd/c9VKD | May 15 11:10 | |
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| oiaohm | Ok something that is not making news but appears to have made it into 2.6.34 is fanotify | May 15 11:22 |
| oiaohm | Yes the support for real-time scanning in Linux. | May 15 11:22 |
| schestowitz | not in phoronix yet? | May 15 11:26 |
| oiaohm | Sorry I was looking at the wrong tree. | May 15 11:28 |
| oiaohm | I need to watch what git tree I have displayed. | May 15 11:29 |
| oiaohm | I had Linux Next tree instead of Linux 2.6.34 in front of me. schestowitz | May 15 11:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Google says trust is crucial amid wi-fi data collection blunder http://is.gd/c9X7a Do you trust them? | May 15 11:39 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Famous ‘IP’ Lawyer Argues Against #Patent and #Copyright Law (Video) http://techrights.org/2010/05/15/stephan-kinsella-on-swpats/ #swpat | May 15 11:40 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Maoists r nt in Anti-Posco struggle. http://bit.ly/9Ac38J is a plan hatched by the state . branding exercise Indeed! | May 15 11:44 | |
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| schestowitz | "@openuniverse re "i like to mix them [kde themes]. i like the keramic buttons but i don't like keramic all the way" > same here!" | May 15 11:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] I watched the "Click" (bbc tech flagship programme) special filmed in the UAE today. It was almost "The Gadget Show" bad. | May 15 11:48 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple Lies About “Open Source” (and More on Apple/Microsoft #AstroTurfing ) http://ur1.ca/013rl hat tip @OpenUniverse | May 15 12:00 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] What the #GulfSpill obviously needs is the attention of some celebrities. | May 15 12:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Waiting for James Cameron to notice the Gulf spill. Cuz, he did The Abyss, so he'll know how to fix it. | May 15 12:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] If #GulfSpill is 'act of God', then Sarah Palin's #God seems to have a conflict of interest. #gop | May 15 12:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Help seed a Amiga Demoscene DVD torrent! http://tinyurl.com/283s5x2 #amiga #demoscene | May 15 12:12 | |
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| MinceR | geekings | May 15 12:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] And you know, since James Cameron took an interest in the #Amazon, #deforestation and exploitation are so totally solved. #avatar #Darfive | May 15 12:14 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Murdoch continues process of charging for online editions of his publications. http://is.gd/c9Z8M | May 15 12:20 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @satipera good, he kills them | May 15 12:27 | |
| MinceR | Airstrip One, (like the roman catholic cult back in the old days) forbids possession of certain books >> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/05/15/0331241/In-UK-First-Anarchists-Cookbook-Downloaders-Convictions?from=rss | May 15 12:30 |
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| MinceR | s/,// | May 15 12:30 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Peter Murray-Rust Should Not Work With Microsoft http://techrights.org/2010/05/15/british-library-and-trust/ advice to #openaccess hero | May 15 12:44 | |
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| benJIman | EEEEEEEEE | May 15 12:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @dagwieers: CentOS 5.5 has been released http://tinyurl.com/353uj6e | May 15 12:56 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Just discovered http://community.livejournal.com/uk_lolitics/ . This is hilarious. | May 15 12:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #BP CEO Tony Hayward says spill is "relatively tiny" compared to the "very big ocean" http://huff.to/a9zN1E #oil #palin #gop #energy | May 15 13:02 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | Tony Hayward can suck my nuts | May 15 13:03 |
| ThistleWeb | aka, plenty of space for our polution, room for growth | May 15 13:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'Heteronormative anti-abortion abstinence culture produces teen parents,out-of-marriage births,&lots of divorces' http://huff.to/cnRqeP #DUH | May 15 13:05 | |
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| cubezzz | heteronormative? | May 15 13:07 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] BP CEO Tony Hayward says spill is "relatively tiny" compared to the "very big ocean" http://huff.to/a9zN1E (thx qu1j0t3) | May 15 13:08 | |
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| cubezzz | hey imagine if the ocean was covered by a giant oil slick | May 15 13:08 |
| cubezzz | then everyone would have lots of oil | May 15 13:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | wow | May 15 13:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | this could be the secret to destroying the middle east! | May 15 13:08 |
| cubezzz | or we could just switch to electric cars | May 15 13:09 |
| cubezzz | BP CEO... | May 15 13:10 |
| cubezzz | heh | May 15 13:10 |
| cubezzz | well, we'll see how the Nissan Leaf does | May 15 13:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Russell Crowe really is an obnoxious jerk. | May 15 13:12 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reuters: “ #Novell Has Put Itself up for Sale” http://ur1.ca/0145q who would dare acquire the accompanying burden? | May 15 13:13 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: why does anyone care about that | May 15 13:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | Tesla is where its at | May 15 13:14 |
| cubezzz | too expensive | May 15 13:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | not really | May 15 13:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | the Model S is at the right price range for a mid-sized car | May 15 13:14 |
| cubezzz | how much? | May 15 13:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, when they come out, around $60k. | May 15 13:15 |
| cubezzz | ok, it's come down but still :) | May 15 13:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | the Model S, cubezzz | May 15 13:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | not the Roadster | May 15 13:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | which is what I think you're thinking of | May 15 13:16 |
| cubezzz | ah, probably | May 15 13:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Kalinga Times Reports: Pro Posco people joined the police and hurdled crude bombs at those sitting on dharna. http://bit.ly/9CH36g #posco | May 15 13:16 | |
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| cubezzz | the Leaf is going to be around $35K and you can get a rebate | May 15 13:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | the leaf is a cheap compact | May 15 13:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://miotd.com/images/20100425.jpg | May 15 13:17 |
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| Diablo-D3 | the model s is the white one, the roadster is the red one | May 15 13:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | they roadster has been shipping for like 2 years now | May 15 13:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | the model s will ship 2012 models (ie, late 2011) | May 15 13:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | and theres a third model that hasnt been named yet thats going to be sub $30k | May 15 13:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | that'll be after the model s line is established | May 15 13:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | although they may move it up to have 2013 models (ie, late 2012) | May 15 13:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] '#Apple was tipped off to the man who found/stole the prototype by his roommate' Awwwwkward! #gizmodo #chen #iphone #ElJobso | May 15 13:19 | |
| cubezzz | hmmm, that pic was too much for my 384 meg ram computer | May 15 13:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | really? | May 15 13:20 |
| cubezzz | well it looks very very good | May 15 13:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | I have it as my background on my laptop and desktop :D | May 15 13:20 |
| cubezzz | it's like 3000x5000 | May 15 13:20 |
| cubezzz | don't tell me your laptop does 3000x5000 | May 15 13:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | no | May 15 13:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | 1280x854 | May 15 13:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | my desktop is 1920x1200 | May 15 13:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | and before you ask, I resized it with a sinc filter | May 15 13:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | keeps interpolation errors from creeping in due to the high contrast nature of the image | May 15 13:21 |
| cubezzz | how high do LCD's go nowadays? | May 15 13:21 |
| cubezzz | oh wow there's 3840x2400 | May 15 13:22 |
| cubezzz | still not high enough :) | May 15 13:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats 4x 1920x1200 | May 15 13:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats about as high as it'll go on conventional panels | May 15 13:23 |
| cubezzz | electric cars are so much better | May 15 13:25 |
| cubezzz | no exhaust system, no oil changes... | May 15 13:25 |
| cubezzz | about 1/4 as expensive to run | May 15 13:25 |
| cubezzz | Diablo-D3, according to wikipedia: | May 15 13:26 |
| cubezzz | "Production for the retail market is expected to begin in late 2012,[3] with a base price of $57,400" | May 15 13:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | the date has been pushed up | May 15 13:26 |
| cubezzz | pretty expensive still | May 15 13:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | depends how you define expensive | May 15 13:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | it competes with cars of the same price | May 15 13:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | so its not expensive... the price is exactly correct. | May 15 13:27 |
| cubezzz | it looks nice, and it has a good range | May 15 13:27 |
| cubezzz | I'll have to wait for the Bluestar I think | May 15 13:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | [08:01:20] <Diablo-D3> and theres a third model that hasnt been named yet thats going to be sub $30k | May 15 13:29 |
| cubezzz | maybe in 5 years electric car will become the norm | May 15 13:30 |
| cubezzz | it's taking long enough | May 15 13:30 |
| cubezzz | we had the 1912 Detroit Electric almost a century ago | May 15 13:32 |
| cubezzz | very short range though | May 15 13:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Police crack down on anti-Posco agitators, 20 injured http://bit.ly/8YQ2mV #posco | May 15 13:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at "Best" Newbie #Linux Distributions; #Gentoo Makes Sense for Pros http://ur1.ca/0149p http://ur1.ca/0149r | May 15 13:36 | |
| Techrights | Title: Don't Surf in the Nude!: Best Newbie Linux Distro .::. Size~: 83.8 KB | May 15 13:36 |
| Techrights | Title: Gentoo just makes sense! - Linux Tweaking - http://linuxtweaking.blogspot.com .::. Size~: 46.39 KB | May 15 13:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @qu1j0t3 '#Apple was tipped off to the man who found/stole the prototype by his roommate' Awwwwkward! #gizmodo #chen #iphone #ElJobso | May 15 13:49 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Will Britain's new coalition help Gary McKinnon? http://bit.ly/9ETgED #uk #freeGary | May 15 13:51 | |
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| schestowitz | I met Theresa May about 10 years ago and had a chat with her | May 15 13:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Franco & Pinochet from the grave, and living war criminals score 1 in vendetta against Spain's Judge Garzón. http://bit.ly/cW7jg6 #icc #war | May 15 13:58 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reports About Kuwait's Choice of #GNU #Linux From #RedHat http://ur1.ca/014ct http://ur1.ca/014cu | May 15 13:58 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Brian From #LinuxToday and LDN Looks at Imminent #Fedora Release http://ur1.ca/00qws #redhat | May 15 14:01 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] http://twitgoo.com/vvsec my parents idea of a buffet, throw it all on the table and let people sort it out themselves. | May 15 14:03 | |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: *LOL* | May 15 14:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell ’s Marketing Team is Promoting #Vista7 (Again) and Speaks About Viral Marketing http://ur1.ca/014fa typical | May 15 14:11 | |
| Techrights | Title: Novells Marketing Team is Promoting Vista 7 (Again) and Speaks About Viral Marketing | Techrights .::. Size~: 93.41 KB | May 15 14:11 |
| MinceR | novell is disgusting, as usual | May 15 14:14 |
| MinceR | (old) http://www.newsoxy.com/motorola/android-bing-12771.html | May 15 14:25 |
| Techrights | Title: Motorola Android Bing Mobile Phones To Debut .::. Size~: 12.34 KB | May 15 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Yes, old | May 15 14:32 |
| schestowitz | in china, iirc | May 15 14:32 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft pays them :-) | May 15 14:32 |
| schestowitz | ~$3bn in losses per year | May 15 14:32 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft thinks it can just buy market share... it's too expensive | May 15 14:33 |
| MinceR | doesn't exactly endear motorola to me | May 15 14:33 |
| schestowitz | Imagine paying 100m people $200 to move to Fedora | May 15 14:33 |
| schestowitz | 20 billion $$$ | May 15 14:34 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: none of them are too ethical | May 15 14:34 |
| schestowitz | Except OpenCoco [sic | May 15 14:34 |
| MinceR | :> | May 15 14:35 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SAP Could Buy #Novell Just Like It Bought #Sybase http://ur1.ca/014oz Why it makes sense for SAP to scoop Novell up | May 15 14:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] 2 Activists critically injured with Metal Bullet. Immediate Medical Care is needed. police blockade prevents entry http://bit.ly/8Y97jx | May 15 15:09 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] On a eurostar which is running 2 hours 20 mins late. Want to get home to the family, pronto! #fb | May 15 15:12 | |
| cubezzz | is there any linux that comes with all the source code on one DVD? | May 15 15:18 |
| schestowitz | Fedora | May 15 15:19 |
| cubezzz | all binaries and source? | May 15 15:23 |
| cubezzz | or just source on it's own? | May 15 15:23 |
| cubezzz | or I guess I could just dload one dvd of each | May 15 15:24 |
| cubezzz | ok, it's separate dvds, otherwise it wouldn't fit | May 15 15:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How the International Trade Commission ( #USITC ) is adding to harm already caused by the #USPTO http://ur1.ca/014xa #swpats | May 15 15:28 | |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: they are known to provide disks with source | May 15 15:29 |
| schestowitz | I read about it in at least 2 places | May 15 15:29 |
| schestowitz | gtg though, bbl | May 15 15:29 |
| cubezzz | I guess if I want KDE 3.5 I would need to revert (upgrade?) back to Fedora 8 | May 15 15:34 |
| cubezzz | hppmf | May 15 15:35 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Ummm..... drank something named "xxx energy drink" in #ccd :S :P . Tasted like red bull #good | May 15 15:38 | |
| MinceR | http://imgur.com/L2fBV.gif | May 15 15:43 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Watching the cup final. I can't be the only one who finds those animated advertising hoardings a distraction from the game. | May 15 15:45 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Made it onto a train home with seconds to spare! | May 15 15:57 | |
| MinceR | http://www.osnews.com/story/23236/Why_Our_Civilization_s_Video_Art_and_Culture_is_Threatened_by_the_MPEG-LA | May 15 15:59 |
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| cubezzz | that's horse bleep | May 15 16:01 |
| cubezzz | what camera are you supposed to buy then? | May 15 16:01 |
| cubezzz | so you shoot a pro video and you must pay royalities | May 15 16:02 |
| cubezzz | period | May 15 16:02 |
| MinceR | i guess we're supposed to lynch the MPEG LA | May 15 16:02 |
| MinceR | and the politicians who served them | May 15 16:03 |
| cubezzz | what did they do before I wonder | May 15 16:03 |
| cubezzz | when it was analog | May 15 16:03 |
| MinceR | thinking about schemes for world domination | May 15 16:03 |
| MinceR | then they came up with this | May 15 16:03 |
| cubezzz | I'd lol but it's not funny | May 15 16:03 |
| cubezzz | I even use one of my videos to make some adsense money | May 15 16:04 |
| cubezzz | and believe me, it's not much | May 15 16:04 |
| MinceR | he says MJPEG sucks but it seems to be a good fit for cameras since you might want to edit the video before encoding :> | May 15 16:06 |
| cubezzz | I officially declare Canada exempt from stupid royalities | May 15 16:07 |
| MinceR | lol | May 15 16:08 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Balls! Left my ipod nano and headphones on the Eurostar. Kiss that goodbye. :( | May 15 16:17 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Back home and getting ready to watch Doctor Who on BBC1...probably the only program that gives value from the license fee. | May 15 16:35 | |
| cubezzz | this may be of interest, I've been talking to the coreboot guys so: | May 15 16:37 |
| cubezzz | http://www.coreboot.org/images/7/7b/Ward-vandewege-coreboot-talk-20080404-narrative.pdf | May 15 16:37 |
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| cubezzz | Intel isn't supporting coreboot too well | May 15 16:42 |
| _goblin | hi all | May 15 16:42 |
| cubezzz | hey _goblin | May 15 16:44 |
| _goblin | hi! | May 15 16:45 |
| cubezzz | still trying to build a 100% FOSS computer | May 15 16:49 |
| cubezzz | getting closer though | May 15 16:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Great news: "F-Spot Out of Ubuntu" http://www.the-source.com/2010/05/f-spot-out-of-ubuntu/ #mono #novell #microsoft #moonlight #fail | May 15 16:57 | |
| Techrights | Title: F-Spot Out of Ubuntu « The-Source.com .::. Size~: 30.43 KB | May 15 16:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Microsoft turning into a toothless tiger? http://tinyurl.com/27dpoxy #microsoft #linux #apple | May 15 16:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Emailed Eurostar lost property about my lost ipod. Hope they get it back, it was a gift. | May 15 17:10 | |
| Aondo | damn i havent even heard of shotwell | May 15 17:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Congrats to the Free Software universe for the removal of F-Spot from #Ubuntu Maverick Meerkat! :D #MSMonoJunk #Freedom http://is.gd/cagcd | May 15 17:19 | |
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| _goblin | http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/feuds-and-rivalries-are-damaging-open-source-688658 | May 15 17:33 |
| Techrights | Title: Feuds and rivalries are damaging open source | News | TechRadar UK .::. Size~: 68.58 KB | May 15 17:33 |
| _goblin | what a fool.... | May 15 17:33 |
| _goblin | (Grahame Morrison) | May 15 17:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] http://twitgoo.com/vw2ty A photo I've taken for an upcoming Openbytes article | May 15 17:46 | |
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| schestowitz |  | May 15 18:05 |
| schestowitz | [15:34] <cubezzz> I guess if I want KDE 3.5 I would need to revert (upgrade?) back to Fedora 8 | May 15 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Why 3.5? | May 15 18:05 |
| cubezzz | I don't like KDE 4+ | May 15 18:08 |
| cubezzz | it's too slow | May 15 18:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin what about? | May 15 18:08 | |
| schestowitz | _goblin: old party line re FSF | May 15 18:09 |
| schestowitz | The LXF guys... | May 15 18:09 |
| _goblin | Im writing a response article | May 15 18:10 |
| MinceR | my problem with kde4 is that it's unreliable | May 15 18:10 |
| _goblin | Mr Morrison seems to suggest that "rivalries" or differences in opinion are bad. | May 15 18:10 |
| schestowitz | They're not | May 15 18:11 |
| schestowitz | They are needed for progress | May 15 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Like in science | May 15 18:11 |
| _goblin | thats what I say in my article. | May 15 18:11 |
| cubezzz | I'd be interested to know of a modern distro that still uses KDE 3.5 | May 15 18:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzgokJdNtbk&feature=related | May 15 18:11 |
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| MinceR | there are enemies of science | May 15 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Enemies of silence too | May 15 18:11 |
| schestowitz | I'm not staying silent on issues that need addressing | May 15 18:11 |
| schestowitz | ITC, USPTO, Novell, Microsoft, bribes, etc. | May 15 18:12 |
| schestowitz | I can't be nice to everyone, just polite | May 15 18:12 |
| cubezzz | not to mention your bios :) | May 15 18:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Grahame Morrison and his unique views on differences of opinion with the FOSS world. | May 15 18:12 | |
| cubezzz | anyways, bit by bit things are improving, that's the main thing | May 15 18:12 |
| _goblin | why don't we all just switch to using WIndows and agree that its God's gift to IT. | May 15 18:13 |
| cubezzz | nah :) | May 15 18:13 |
| _goblin | don't disagree......we can't have that. | May 15 18:13 |
| _goblin | we will have no individuals here. | May 15 18:13 |
| cubezzz | for one thing, it's just plain not good | May 15 18:13 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: that Microsoft piece is a ramble | May 15 18:13 |
| _goblin | Comply. | May 15 18:13 |
| schestowitz | it contains no facts in it | May 15 18:13 |
| _goblin | conform | May 15 18:13 |
| cubezzz | man, I'm about as non-conformist as you can get :) | May 15 18:13 |
| schestowitz | It's like someone sitting down and typing, "Microsoft= tiger=no teeth..." | May 15 18:13 |
| _goblin | Roy, Im detecting opinion from you.....stop it.......we must all agree. | May 15 18:14 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: my question was about the photo | May 15 18:14 |
| cubezzz | it was a fluff piece | May 15 18:14 |
| cubezzz | some people just like writing | May 15 18:14 |
| _goblin | yeah..the photo was being used in the article..... | May 15 18:14 |
| _goblin | "stiring the pot" | May 15 18:14 |
| _goblin | (in reference to Mr Morrisons article | May 15 18:14 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, I'm watching what the FSF do more closely these days | May 15 18:14 |
| schestowitz | Ah, I haven't checked my feeds yet | May 15 18:15 |
| cubezzz | they have some excellent ideas | May 15 18:15 |
| schestowitz | COntrarian | May 15 18:15 |
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| cubezzz | _goblin, it would have been better (and funnier) if you said we should all switch to using Amigas | May 15 18:16 |
| _goblin | I don't suppose anyone here has some pdf 68k tech manuals? (looking towards you Cubezzz) | May 15 18:17 |
| cubezzz | there's all online | May 15 18:17 |
| _goblin | where? | May 15 18:17 |
| cubezzz | let me find you the url | May 15 18:17 |
| _goblin | thanks....as per my earlier tweet, Im back into 68k | May 15 18:17 |
| schestowitz | lawyer troll: http://twitter.com/BytePatent/statuses/14040167606 | May 15 18:18 |
| Techrights | Title: Twitter / Richard Almon: News Flash: "Anarchist not ... .::. Size~: 10.97 KB | May 15 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Watch him call an IP lawyer "anarchist" because he doesn't agree with him | May 15 18:18 |
| schestowitz | This Richard Almon dude is obnoxious | May 15 18:18 |
| cubezzz | you are? | May 15 18:19 |
| cubezzz | what did you do, buy an amiga 500? | May 15 18:19 |
| cubezzz | aha, found it | May 15 18:21 |
| cubezzz | there's tons of books here | May 15 18:21 |
| cubezzz | http://www.bombjack.org/commodore | May 15 18:22 |
| cubezzz | I think that's it | May 15 18:22 |
| cubezzz | yup, thats the one | May 15 18:23 |
| _goblin | thanks...its the hardware tech manuals I need. | May 15 18:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.i-newswire.com/new-joomla-demo-site/36285 | May 15 18:24 |
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| schestowitz | What's with their MS rel? | May 15 18:24 |
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| schestowitz | "The Tories also look like following many European and US authorities on open source and open standards. The party has promised to make government data available upon request in open-standard formats." | May 15 18:26 |
| cubezzz | if there's anything specific let me know, I might have it already | May 15 18:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Getting flashbacks to last night at #uds now I'm home. | May 15 18:28 | |
| _goblin | cheers! | May 15 18:28 |
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| DaemonFC | :P | May 15 18:31 |
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| Ender2070 | :P | May 15 18:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/61195 | May 15 18:55 |
| schestowitz | "Since writing this piece, the developer of the Appleseed project has gotten in touch with me and he's been inspired lately to restart his long-dormant project, which is similar to Diaspora. He told me he hopes to work with Diaspora and any other projects to develop a common protocol that would allow all of them to work together so people wouldn't all have to be in the same project in order to share. I now have an Appleseed login | May 15 18:55 |
| schestowitz | and plan to fiddle with it and will occasionally report on it as it develops." | May 15 18:55 |
| Techrights | Title: Striking back at Facebook, the open-source way | NetworkWorld.com Community .::. Size~: 85.62 KB | May 15 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Notice how they try to say "open source" | May 15 18:55 |
| schestowitz | But it's just "public repository" | May 15 18:55 |
| schestowitz | "Look, don't touch..." | May 15 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2010/05/15/still-on-comcast-internet-because-att-has-left-me-here/ | May 15 19:02 |
| Techrights | Title: Still on Comcast internet because AT&T has left me here. « Ryans Blog .::. Size~: 39.92 KB | May 15 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 15 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The DirecTV box can run "TV Apps" submitted by users | May 15 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | DirecTV has to sign them though :) | May 15 19:02 |
| schestowitz | The telecoms are scary monsters | May 15 19:03 |
| schestowitz | They have your data of all sorts and they are more powerful than the content and software conglomerates | May 15 19:04 |
| schestowitz | You're dealing with illusion of choice. They'll both treat you poorly | May 15 19:04 |
| MinceR | http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/c4gki/facebook_founder_called_trusting_users_dumb_fcks/ | May 15 19:09 |
| Techrights | Title: Facebook founder called trusting users dumb f*cks : news .::. Size~: 96.97 KB | May 15 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Again misleading: http://www.hardocp.com/news/2010/05/13/open_source_facebook_alternative/ | May 15 19:09 |
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| schestowitz | It's NOT open source | May 15 19:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Facebook founder called trusting users dumb f*cks http://ur1.ca/01606 users call Zuckerberg dumb ***? | May 15 19:11 | |
| Techrights | Title: Facebook founder called trusting users dumb f*cks • The Register .::. Size~: 33.74 KB | May 15 19:11 |
| MinceR | (i switched news sources today :> ) | May 15 19:14 |
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| MinceR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park | May 15 19:19 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: YOu're not getting your news from Facebook anymore? | May 15 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | This just in, DaemonFC is throwing poo at you | May 15 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 15 19:25 |
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| DaemonFC | blecth, I can't believe I'm looking at TVs | May 15 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | I can get the 52" model if I just put it on Easy Slave | May 15 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 15 19:26 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: move away from The Reg | May 15 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | resuming Gladiator from the last place I remember before I fell asleep last night :P | May 15 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | god damn it, we have 16:9 TVs and Blu Ray Disc players now. WHY does Letterbox still exist? | May 15 19:30 |
| schestowitz | CentOS 5.5 is out | May 15 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Techrights uses it | May 15 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Serving about half a million hits per day, I think | May 15 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I will say this for Blu Ray, the discs are damned near impossible to accidentally scratch | May 15 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Blue Ray sucks | May 15 19:31 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: replaced slashdot with reddit :> | May 15 19:31 |
| schestowitz | The whole idea is that more storage=better | May 15 19:31 |
| MinceR | (among others) | May 15 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | that lacquer they use on them, why was it never used on DVD? | May 15 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Your eyes don't need do many pixels unless you site closely | May 15 19:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @orissaconcerns Horrific images of police brutality http://bit.ly/9Znraz | May 15 19:31 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @orissaconcerns Police Attack on Anti-POSCO People’s Movement – Chronology of Incidents http://bit.ly/b34Ufb | May 15 19:31 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @orissaconcerns The Real Story of the POSCO Project http://bit.ly/adGGwG | May 15 19:31 | |
| Techrights | Title: Horrific images of police brutality | Orissa Concerns .::. Size~: 23.53 KB | May 15 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | And you can't digest more than about ~24 f/sec | May 15 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: That's why the 1080p fanatics are idiots | May 15 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | 1080i gives you 30fps anyway | May 15 19:32 |
| schestowitz | HDTV won't make a bad film better, so HDMI won't save the day, either | May 15 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | and almost all broadcast television is using 1080i | May 15 19:32 |
| schestowitz | BUT | May 15 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Planned obsolecense | May 15 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | progressive scan helps get rid of ghosting on cheap TVs | May 15 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | that's really the only pracical use for it | May 15 19:33 |
| schestowitz | You must be told your current phone/TV/cars sucks | May 15 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Then be shown famous people using the latest fashion/gadget | May 15 19:33 |
| schestowitz | I remember when cell phones just processed calls | May 15 19:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Just watched my dad graduate at Cambridge, pride doesn't even begin to describe how I feel right now. :-) | May 15 19:33 | |
| schestowitz | Now they have new features for the carriers | May 15 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Why do all broadcast TV stations use 1080i? Because 30fps uses half the bandwidth of 1080p of course | May 15 19:33 |
| schestowitz | E-mail used to be E-mail | May 15 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | and nobody will tell you the difference | May 15 19:34 |
| schestowitz | Not it's syntactic analysis for companies to profile you and sell this to advertisers | May 15 19:34 |
| schestowitz | /not/now/ | May 15 19:34 |
| schestowitz | [19:33] <DaemonFC> schestowitz: Why do all broadcast TV stations use 1080i? Because 30fps uses half the bandwidth of 1080p of course | May 15 19:34 |
| schestowitz | No | May 15 19:34 |
| schestowitz | COmpression | May 15 19:34 |
| schestowitz | You usually store differences | May 15 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | I have my DirecTV box on 1080i but my Blu Ray player is on 720p | May 15 19:35 |
| schestowitz | Not much would change in most images between frames that are 10 ms | May 15 19:35 |
| Aondo | 24 fps in gaming is far from enough thought | May 15 19:35 |
| schestowitz | Unless it's a fast action scene | May 15 19:35 |
| schestowitz | With the background and all moving.... like an action film's climax | May 15 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | yes, I noticed that movies where there's like a fast swordfight look much better with progressive scan | May 15 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Aondo: let me check specifics | May 15 19:36 |
| schestowitz | When I was about 12 at schools they taught us human vision | May 15 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Human eyes still inferior to many other creature's eyes | May 15 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | I just didn't see the point with my tv box in taking a 1080i broadcast, downsampling it to 720p, and passing it onto the TV to upscale to 1366 x768 | May 15 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Flying insects need speedy eyesight | May 15 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Cats need night vision | May 15 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Big pupils to aggregate light | May 15 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | about the only advantage running the box in 720 gives is that it has deinterlaced the signal before your TV gets it | May 15 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | which only matters if your TV sucks | May 15 19:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm | May 15 19:38 |
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| MinceR | interlacing is an obsolete trick needed to deal with the weaknesses of old tvs | May 15 19:38 |
| MinceR | there's no point to it now | May 15 19:38 |
| MinceR | and it does cause visual artifacts if it's used | May 15 19:38 |
| MinceR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlace#Interline_twitter | May 15 19:39 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: except that my TV has a resolution of 1366 x 768, so the image will either be upscaled or downscaled anyway | May 15 19:39 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: then your tv sucks | May 15 19:39 |
| schestowitz | "If your screen refreshes at 85Hz and your game runs at 50Hz (=50fps): Are you sure that you don't need to synchronize them? Are you sure, you don't need to play with a multiple of 85 to enjoy synchronized refresh updates? So the game running at 85fps may better than at 100fps. Maybe even a TFT display was better. It displays only with about 40fps but progressively." | May 15 19:39 |
| MinceR | it's not 1080p that sucks, it's your tv | May 15 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Ah, that's another thing | May 15 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | it was $248, and it's a good TV for $248 | May 15 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Waving my hand in front of my LCD not the same as CRT | May 15 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | beats the hell out of my older CRT "HD" set | May 15 19:40 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: so your point is "waaah, 1080p sucks because i can't afford it"? | May 15 19:40 |
| schestowitz | In front of the crt I see my hand discretely | May 15 19:40 |
| schestowitz | LCD is smooth | May 15 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | no, I was saying that in my case, I should probably keep the box at 1080i | May 15 19:41 |
| schestowitz | No, you were's saying that | May 15 19:41 |
| schestowitz | You generalised to all sets | May 15 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | that way the TV will downscale the higher resolution instead of the box doing it so that they TV can upscale it again anyway | May 15 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | I can either start at 1920 x 1080 and have the TV deinterlace and downscale it to 1366 x 768 OR I can start with 1920 x 1080, have the box deinterlace and and downscale it to 1280 x 720 so that the TV can upscale it again to 1366 x 768 | May 15 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | at least, that's my take on the situation | May 15 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | better to just feed it 1080i | May 15 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | the only thing coming in through the box at 1080p to begin with is if I ordered a movie on On Demand | May 15 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | so On Demand or Blu Ray is the only time I'd get a 1080p source anyway | May 15 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | no regular channels use it | May 15 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | they're all 1080i (movie channels) or 720p (sports channels) | May 15 19:45 |
| schestowitz | http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wirestory?id=10630034&page=1 | May 15 19:45 |
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| schestowitz | "In the movie "Ironman 2," Larry Ellison makes a cameo appearance as a billionaire, playboy software magnate. It is a role he knows well. He is playing himself -- chief executive of Oracle Corp, one of Silicon Valley's most enduring, successful and flamboyant figures." | May 15 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Yuck, the charlatan | May 15 19:45 |
| MinceR | they should have looked up the title of the movie | May 15 19:45 |
| MinceR | it's "Iron Man 2" | May 15 19:45 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: don't watch TV, you watch rubbish channels like FAUX anyway | May 15 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | so it would only make sense to set the box to 720p if I had a source that was actually using progressive scan | May 15 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | right? | May 15 19:46 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: iron casket | May 15 19:46 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: it's an awesome movie. | May 15 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Or Ellison doing the ironing | May 15 19:46 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I didn't see the first | May 15 19:46 |
| MinceR | that was awesome too. | May 15 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Sun's "bare metal" | May 15 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: That's why all the 720p sets support 1080i, the scaler chip is doing something to the source material in either event | May 15 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Let Iron Man handle dat' | May 15 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | you're never actually watching the material that came in through the box or your blu ray player anyway | May 15 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | the TV has one resolution, 1366 x 768 | May 15 19:47 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2010/05/11/planned-leadership-transition/ | May 15 19:47 |
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| schestowitz | Not good for Mozilla | May 15 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Google has begun advertising in British TV | May 15 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Chrome | May 15 19:48 |
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| MinceR | DaemonFC: well, if you get a TV with such a crazy resolution, don't be surprised :> | May 15 19:48 |
| schestowitz | SOmeone E-mailed me a screnshot this morning | May 15 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Channel 4 | May 15 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: It's the resolution of pretty much any TV under 32" | May 15 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | and more than half the 32" models | May 15 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | once you go over 32", they all support 1080P | May 15 19:49 |
| MinceR | i watch 1080p content on my thinkpad's display (1920x1200) :> | May 15 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | but then again, the price goes up from $300-400 to more like $700-800 | May 15 19:49 |
| schestowitz | http://john.jubjubs.net/2010/05/11/whats-next-for-me-but-not-yet/ | May 15 19:49 |
| Techrights | Title: Whats Next for Me (But Not Yet!) « Johns Blog .::. Size~: 38.66 KB | May 15 19:49 |
| schestowitz | http://androidandme.com/2010/05/news/motorola-hints-at-owning-mobile-os-acquires-azingo/ azingo! went the strings of my heart | May 15 19:50 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: That's usually when I get a newer TV is when Walmart is running their Black Friday sale | May 15 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | they order 30 TV sets and there's about 1,000 people in there trying to get one | May 15 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | and if you don't stand in line 2 hours before the sale starts, they're all spoken for | May 15 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | And then you make a 'slick' in which to hide items in advance | May 15 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Assuming you work there | May 15 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | the point is to lose a little money on the advertised TV so that lots of disappointed people buy the expensive model with the same functionality | May 15 19:52 |
| Omar87 | Hi alll. | May 15 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Hey oh! | May 15 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | so instead of the $248 model, they buy the same thing with a different brand name on it and pay $399 :) | May 15 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | they also had some $99 Blu Ray players if I recall | May 15 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | Samsung's base model at the time, I think there's a lot of refurbs of that model now | May 15 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | working their way through discounters for $76 | May 15 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 15 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Fortana+FSF: http://identi.ca/notice/32080314 | May 15 19:57 |
| Techrights | Title: Richard Fontana (fontana) 's status on Thursday, 13-May-10 17:00:24 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.2 KB | May 15 19:57 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: did you see the Samsung post? | May 15 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | May 15 19:57 |
| schestowitz | I look forward to your findings, resend if necessary | May 15 19:57 |
| schestowitz | E-mail doesn't cost toner | May 15 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Find more addresses | May 15 19:57 |
| schestowitz | If they find it excruciating. they'll need to comply | May 15 19:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.androidguys.com/2010/05/13/software-engineer-leaves-android/ | May 15 20:00 |
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| schestowitz | Android does have some PhDs there in the staff | May 15 20:00 |
| *WireWulf is now known as Doctor_Wulf | May 15 20:02 | |
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| Omar87 | _goblin, Hi! | May 15 20:05 |
| _goblin | hi | May 15 20:05 |
| _goblin | how are you? | May 15 20:05 |
| Omar87 | Great! | May 15 20:06 |
| Omar87 | You? | May 15 20:06 |
| _goblin | Good...been busy this last week with work :( | May 15 20:06 |
| Omar87 | I see. | May 15 20:06 |
| _goblin | but Im off today and tomrrow. | May 15 20:06 |
| _goblin | so everything is ok until monday | May 15 20:06 |
| Omar87 | Enjoy your break. :) | May 15 20:06 |
| Omar87 | I really hated this week's friday night. | May 15 20:07 |
| _goblin | haven't seen it yet. | May 15 20:07 |
| Omar87 | Those SES goons don't know how how to play by the rules at all. | May 15 20:07 |
| _goblin | I went to the pub and accidently drank a few pints. | May 15 20:07 |
| Omar87 | accidentally? | May 15 20:09 |
| _goblin | yeah.... | May 15 20:09 |
| Omar87 | How's that? :) | May 15 20:09 |
| _goblin | When I got home I had a reception from the wife similar to taking an Iphone to a Steve Ballmer talk. | May 15 20:10 |
| _goblin | I say accidently because I drank one then had a moment of madness.....3 hours, 5 pints = unhappy wife | May 15 20:11 |
| Omar87 | I really don't you people like about drinking that stuff. :) | May 15 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Me neither | May 15 20:11 |
| schestowitz | But it's the legal drug here | May 15 20:12 |
| Omar87 | What is so good about it, other than taking your mind away from you (temporarily). | May 15 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Reality is more fun | May 15 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | Unless you suppress something | May 15 20:12 |
| _goblin | it helped to null the pain when I got home. | May 15 20:12 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, true. | May 15 20:12 |
| schestowitz | But I think realise it very important | May 15 20:12 |
| schestowitz | We need to stick to facts at every turn | May 15 20:13 |
| _goblin | hey! | May 15 20:13 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 15 20:13 |
| _goblin | you sound like my wife! | May 15 20:13 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, facts such as what? | May 15 20:13 |
| schestowitz | No offence there, I too had 5 pints in 3 hours some weeks ago | May 15 20:13 |
| _goblin | the last time I drank was december last year! | May 15 20:13 |
| _goblin | so I think its ok to have a little tipple now and then! | May 15 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: history, nature, etc. | May 15 20:13 |
| Omar87 | LOL, _goblin :) | May 15 20:13 |
| schestowitz | I hear people spaking os ghosts and stuff | May 15 20:13 |
| _goblin | looking at my collegues on twitter though, they appear to be still recovering. | May 15 20:14 |
| schestowitz | It turns out, as of some days ago, that Spielberg too is a k00k | May 15 20:14 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, and Probability? :) | May 15 20:14 |
| schestowitz | They need to separate opinions from their works of art | May 15 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: that too | May 15 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Many people don't understand probability | May 15 20:14 |
| schestowitz | There are like a million possible coincidences per day | May 15 20:14 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, so what exactly is probability? | May 15 20:14 |
| schestowitz | So people use confirmation bias | May 15 20:14 |
| _goblin | Quote: | May 15 20:14 |
| _goblin | "Hello, | May 15 20:14 |
| _goblin | Thank you for contacting the MVP Award Program. | May 15 20:15 |
| _goblin | We have received your inquiry and will provide an initial response to you within two business days. | May 15 20:15 |
| _goblin | If you are an MVP who needs immediate assistance please contact your MVP Lead. | May 15 20:15 |
| _goblin | You can find frequently asked questions at: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs" | May 15 20:15 |
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| _goblin | sorry for the link | May 15 20:15 |
| _goblin | should have taken it out.... | May 15 20:15 |
| _goblin | I don't think I'll find the question I asked in the FAQ | May 15 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: frequency of re/occurrence of event x | May 15 20:15 |
| schestowitz | We have good models for propbability | May 15 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Gauss, Bayes, etc. | May 15 20:16 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, so can a probability invoke itself? | May 15 20:16 |
| schestowitz | People need to be taught that at schools | May 15 20:16 |
| schestowitz | A lot of science is based on statistics | May 15 20:16 |
| _goblin | but then if you think about it, probability is no more than yes or no, it will or it won't. | May 15 20:16 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I have learned about probability in both school and college. | May 15 20:16 |
| schestowitz | With error bars and all, double-blinded tests, error analysis (std) to reach something publishable, replicable, testable | May 15 20:16 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Can a probability invoke itself? | May 15 20:17 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: it gets more complex at sub molecular level | May 15 20:17 |
| schestowitz | But for structure we can see the probabilities are well understood | May 15 20:17 |
| schestowitz | They always behave as you would expect them too | May 15 20:17 |
| _goblin | Im sure.....although sub molecular events don't tend to press on my daily life. ;) | May 15 20:17 |
| schestowitz | If they hadn't, we'd need to rethink our models | May 15 20:17 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: gravatons do | May 15 20:18 |
| _goblin | ok... | May 15 20:18 |
| _goblin | you win that one. | May 15 20:18 |
| _goblin | :) | May 15 20:18 |
| Omar87 | Can probability in invoke itself? schestowitz :) | May 15 20:18 |
| schestowitz | That question makes no sense | May 15 20:18 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I know. But in what way? | May 15 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Some questions are posed to confuse and to enter with confusions | May 15 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Like, "what is the vibration of dimension 5 of a hexagon?" [long silence] | May 15 20:19 |
| Omar87 | confuse? | May 15 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Obfuscation | May 15 20:19 |
| schestowitz | I know those tricks | May 15 20:20 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, That's not what I'm talking about. | May 15 20:20 |
| schestowitz | So-called "christian evangelists" use them | May 15 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Taking the debate out of boundaries of accepted science, into realms that are not logically coherent | May 15 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Like the homoepathy folk | May 15 20:21 |
| schestowitz | "Water memory" :-) :-) | May 15 20:21 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I mean for as simple as the coin example we've been taught at school, can it a coin give us a head (or a tail) by itself? | May 15 20:21 |
| schestowitz | It's not probabily | May 15 20:21 |
| Omar87 | correction: [omit the "it"] | May 15 20:21 |
| schestowitz | It depends on the tosser [no pun intended] | May 15 20:21 |
| Omar87 | So can a coin toss itself in the air? | May 15 20:22 |
| schestowitz | What does that question even mean? | May 15 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Hmm... cringely annoys me... http://www.cringely.com/2010/05/the-gate-is-closed/ | May 15 20:22 |
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| schestowitz | Apple junk | May 15 20:22 |
| schestowitz | [I have a good post about Apple coming] | May 15 20:23 |
| _goblin | All this talk of probability.....heres something for MS to patent..... http://www.earthstar.co.uk/drive.htm | May 15 20:23 |
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| Omar87 | Isn't it obvious? To invoke the probability of head or tail in a coin, it should be tossed freely in the air. Can it do that automatically? | May 15 20:23 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, and for no reason? | May 15 20:24 |
| schestowitz | coins are complex things | May 15 20:24 |
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| schestowitz | It's physics | May 15 20:24 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, do they move out of their own well? | May 15 20:24 |
| schestowitz | How about degrees of co-incidence for rays? | May 15 20:25 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, without the influence of anyone or anything at all? | May 15 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Or better yet, outcomes they produce en masse | May 15 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Not just a binary thing like heads or tails | May 15 20:25 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I know. I'm just taking the simplest example. | May 15 20:25 |
| schestowitz | coins are an item that someone or something can move | May 15 20:26 |
| schestowitz | It then depends on behaviour of the tosser | May 15 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Like, is s/he right handed? | May 15 20:26 |
| schestowitz | How many are right handed? | May 15 20:26 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, great. Then they can't move out their own well? | May 15 20:26 |
| schestowitz | There is a good video on how handedness is determined among animals | May 15 20:26 |
| schestowitz | It's innate | May 15 20:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=what-causes-some-people-t | May 15 20:27 |
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| schestowitz | That's one example | May 15 20:27 |
| Omar87 | So, do you agree with me that probability is only a result of an event? | May 15 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Another is, how high is it tossed, on what surface what side, etc | May 15 20:28 |
| schestowitz | You usually get 50% because it's random enough | May 15 20:28 |
| schestowitz | But not 50% exactly | May 15 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Maybe 49.10-50.90% | May 15 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Proabability occurs at some event | May 15 20:29 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't say anything about an event causing it | May 15 20:29 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, so you do agree? | May 15 20:29 |
| schestowitz | p(i_1..N_i) where i is an event/s | May 15 20:29 |
| schestowitz | *i_N | May 15 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Probably is calculates for some event | May 15 20:30 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't mean an event caused it | May 15 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Causality is another matter | May 15 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Heisenberg's theory shows how at a low level there is uncertainty | May 15 20:31 |
| schestowitz | http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/12/diaspora-open-facebook-project/ | May 15 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/12/nyregion/12about.html?partner=rss&emc=rss | May 15 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | Look like slackers | May 15 20:32 |
| Omar87 | Probability is a result of an event that can occur in more than one shape. (E.g: The probability of tossing a coin is either Head or Tail, can it can be calculated for each) | May 15 20:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guidetocomputertraining.com/tips-and-tools/open-source-blogs | May 15 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | Wow, OpenBytes made it! | May 15 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: depends | May 15 20:34 |
| schestowitz | In a simulation you could make it 50% | May 15 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Then make a chain of probabilities | May 15 20:34 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I'm not talking about simulation. I'm talking in nature now. | May 15 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Like the coin affecting the tosser's mood, which then affects later tosses | May 15 20:35 |
| schestowitz | The tosser can learn tricks to make it land a certain way, over time | May 15 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Or increase the probability in one side's favour | May 15 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Then you expect it to deviate from probablity of "by chance" | May 15 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: i nature there's more complexity | May 15 20:36 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: ? | May 15 20:36 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, again. I'm talking about nature, not human-manipulated circumstances. | May 15 20:36 |
| schestowitz | One apple has as many atoms as apple's would fit in planet Earth, and atoms too are complex | May 15 20:36 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I'm not talking about the atom level here. | May 15 20:37 |
| schestowitz | You have to | May 15 20:37 |
| schestowitz | You said "nature" | May 15 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Nature is nucleus, electrons, protons, etc. | May 15 20:38 |
| schestowitz | nuclii | May 15 20:38 |
| schestowitz | We just see them in abstract terms like "a coin" | May 15 20:38 |
| schestowitz | SOme people used to view the Sun as "lamp in the sky" | May 15 20:39 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, so again, can you please explain to me how could probability create all these amazingly complex things out of its own? | May 15 20:39 |
| schestowitz | It's not probability | May 15 20:39 |
| schestowitz | It's natural selection | May 15 20:39 |
| schestowitz | It's not like building a 747 | May 15 20:39 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, But how did natural selection invoke itself? | May 15 20:39 |
| schestowitz | It's more like building many, making small changes, choosing the changes that propaganda best | May 15 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: water can move atoms a lot | May 15 20:40 |
| schestowitz | There are many h2o atoms | May 15 20:40 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, out of its own well? | May 15 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Many millions of years for them to jiggle | May 15 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: one-cell 'organism' | May 15 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | Cells are simple | May 15 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Not the ones we have today | May 15 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Today's simplest one-cell organisms are further evolved | May 15 20:41 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, cool info. But again, do they move automatically? | May 15 20:41 |
| yuhong | Yesterday, I upgraded to Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. | May 15 20:41 |
| schestowitz | So we need to go back and find the genesis of the natural selection in action | May 15 20:41 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: well done! | May 15 20:41 |
| schestowitz | install kde4 on it | May 15 20:41 |
| yuhong | I opened up Gwibber and added my twitter and facebook account. | May 15 20:41 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, did you see natural selection in action? | May 15 20:41 |
| schestowitz | sudo apto-get install kubuntu-desktop | May 15 20:42 |
| schestowitz | sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop | May 15 20:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | ugh | May 15 20:42 |
| *Diablo-D3 hates ubuntu | May 15 20:42 | |
| yuhong | I don't have enough disk space to install KDE and GNOME at the same time. | May 15 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: I didn't. I never saw prophet Mohammad, either. | May 15 20:42 |
| Omar87 | Diablo-D3, why? They're removing F-Spot? | May 15 20:42 |
| yuhong | Most of the delays was to free enough space to do the upgrade in the first place. | May 15 20:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | Omar87: it makes debian look good. | May 15 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I see... you use a VM | May 15 20:43 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, And I've never seen you either. Therefore, you too don't exist. :) | May 15 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Too afraid to leave WIndows with dual-boot? | May 15 20:43 |
| yuhong | I don't use a VM, but I installed Ubuntu on a 10 gig partition. | May 15 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: BTW, Jordan Open Source references techrights toda | May 15 20:44 |
| schestowitz | *Today | May 15 20:44 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: I see.. | May 15 20:44 |
| yuhong | I use dual-boot, you see, and I recently upgraded to GRUB2. | May 15 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu is nowhere near 10GB | May 15 20:44 |
| schestowitz | I know the grub2 dev. He's like a friend of mine :-) | May 15 20:44 |
| yuhong | http://www.reddit.com/r/jobs/comments/c4ds1/hr_needs_to_get_in_the_habit_of_directly/ | May 15 20:45 |
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| yuhong | Off-topic, but... | May 15 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu had to delay because of a grub bug | May 15 20:45 |
| yuhong | I know, to be more precise it was not a grub bug, but in what INSTALLED grub. | May 15 20:46 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I have proof that Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) exists. | May 15 20:46 |
| yuhong | I use WINE to run Shockwave. | May 15 20:46 |
| yuhong | When I need to visit ExploreLearning, for example. | May 15 20:47 |
| yuhong | Using a copy of Firefox running inside wine. | May 15 20:47 |
| MinceR | lol, he says he has proof | May 15 20:47 |
| yuhong | With the upgrade, one of my biggest annoyances, the delay when typing in Firefox when SCIM is installed (I need to type Chinese) is fixed, yay! | May 15 20:49 |
| yuhong | And yes I used GDB to verify it was really SCIM causing it. | May 15 20:50 |
| Omar87 | MinceR, can you prove to me that Einstein existed? | May 15 20:50 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-20004989-52.html | May 15 20:50 |
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| yuhong | It was a big annoyance in particular when typing comments, which I do often. | May 15 20:50 |
| Omar87 | MinceR, did you see him in person? | May 15 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: cool! | May 15 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: show me | May 15 20:51 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, before I do. I need you to convince me that Einstein existed. | May 15 20:51 |
| schestowitz | BTW, it's highly likely Einstein existed cause he has photos, videos, birth certs, family tree, kids, grandkids, etc. | May 15 20:51 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, cool! | May 15 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Evidence is extensive enough to substatiate it and we can still collect DNA from his grave, with soft issue | May 15 20:52 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, then what about Sir. Francis Bacon? Can you prove his existence too? | May 15 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Then compare that to his descendants' DNA | May 15 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: it becomes less likely | May 15 20:52 |
| schestowitz | The further back you go | May 15 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Evidence becomes more scacrce | May 15 20:53 |
| MinceR | Omar87: unfortunately, i don't have a Single Holy Book that mentions all that, so i can't provide your kind of "proof" :> | May 15 20:53 |
| MinceR | http://abstrusegoose.com/261 | May 15 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | That's why we have establishments like the Library of COngress, National Archives, etc. | May 15 20:53 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, So, just because you've never seen him, and don't have his DNA, you think he isn't there? | May 15 20:53 |
| MinceR | Omar87: btw, the definition of "proof" is not "whatever convinces Omar87 of something" | May 15 20:53 |
| schestowitz | You can still get the contests of Lincoln's pockets the night he was shot | May 15 20:53 |
| schestowitz | It's in the Library of Congress in a well preserved along with his letters, photos, etc. | May 15 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Curation and preservation are a wonderful thing | May 15 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Some day people might tell their kids that AIDS was just a punishment from God, which only killed gay men and 'infidels | May 15 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | THe kids might believe it unless there is good evidence to contradict it | May 15 20:55 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz, what about the Quran that is read by billions of people around the world? | May 15 20:55 |
| schestowitz | [20:53] <Omar87> schestowitz, So, just because you've never seen him, and don't have his DNA, you think he isn't there? | May 15 20:55 |
| schestowitz | I don't know | May 15 20:55 |
| schestowitz | I did hear stories though | May 15 20:55 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Prophet Mohammed's got a very well documented history, btw. | May 15 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Including some supposedly written by people who knew him | May 15 20:55 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, he killed some girl's parents, then raped her, then had to marry her when she turned 9 | May 15 20:56 |
| *MinceR doesn't have time for this idiocy | May 15 20:56 | |
| schestowitz | Or something along those lines | May 15 20:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/14/facebook_hacker/ | May 15 20:57 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz, what about his tomb? | May 15 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Here's GOP: http://reason.com/archives/2010/05/14/friday-funnies | May 15 20:57 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: what's in it? | May 15 20:58 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, nobody would have built that tomb for him unless he was real. It would make no point. | May 15 20:58 |
| schestowitz | And it would be hard to infer stories based on it, unless there is photographic evidence connecting it to some trail of DNA | May 15 20:58 |
| ThistleWeb | religious people delude themselves into doing all sorts of stuff | May 15 20:58 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, Mecca has a meteorite or comet (unless it mels) | May 15 20:59 |
| schestowitz | *melts | May 15 20:59 |
| ThistleWeb | anything which they see extends their fairytale outwards is worth the effort | May 15 20:59 |
| Omar87 | ThistleWeb, I think non-religious people are those who are deluded. No offense. | May 15 20:59 |
| schestowitz | The point is, I don't think a rock from space signifies more than... well, a rock from space | May 15 20:59 |
| schestowitz | There are many rocks from space that made our planet | May 15 21:00 |
| ThistleWeb | lol no worries | May 15 21:00 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, and I don't natural selection would simply be able to execute itself either. | May 15 21:00 |
| schestowitz | On the moon you can see craters better and the dust has different composition due to the conditions there | May 15 21:00 |
| schestowitz | We have some remnants of the moon in our poles too. Von Braun went there digging for some before the Moon Mission to compete with the USSR | May 15 21:00 |
| Omar87 | ThistleWeb, so how do you define what is "Moral" and what is "Immoral"? | May 15 21:00 |
| ThistleWeb | non=relugious....and presumably the religious who pick the wrong team | May 15 21:00 |
| schestowitz | There is no "moral" | May 15 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Moral was developed as survival skills | May 15 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Moral people work better as groups, so they survice | May 15 21:01 |
| ThistleWeb | morality had no connection with religion | May 15 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Those who fight can win short-term but they perish because they kill one another | May 15 21:01 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, so basically I can kill anyone and steal his money and I should be punished for it. Nice! :) | May 15 21:01 |
| schestowitz | So their genetic mutations go away | May 15 21:02 |
| ThistleWeb | one look at the paedophile party in Rome demostrates that | May 15 21:02 |
| schestowitz | The universe is not moral | May 15 21:02 |
| schestowitz | it's just doin' its thing | May 15 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Supernovas are not "immoral" | May 15 21:02 |
| Omar87 | ThistleWeb, cool then. How do you define it? | May 15 21:02 |
| schestowitz | But they sure are spectacular ... | May 15 21:02 |
| schestowitz | [21:01] <Omar87> schestowitz, so basically I can kill anyone and steal his money and I should be punished for it. Nice! :) | May 15 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Not true | May 15 21:03 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm not interested in a philosophical discussion | May 15 21:03 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, so what is the "Thing" that the universe does? | May 15 21:03 |
| schestowitz | You would be ostracised from society | May 15 21:03 |
| ThistleWeb | because I can't be bothered | May 15 21:03 |
| schestowitz | You will be less likely to find mate to pass your DNA | May 15 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Although rapists are better at passing genes, with some caveats | May 15 21:03 |
| schestowitz | [21:03] <Omar87> schestowitz, so what is the "Thing" that the universe does? | May 15 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Nothing | May 15 21:04 |
| schestowitz | It just exists | May 15 21:04 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, why should I? Isn't that the darwinian theory? Isn't that how America was founded? On top of the skulls of the innocent Indians? | May 15 21:04 |
| ThistleWeb | I am dubious at the reasoning of grown adults who believe in fairytales though | May 15 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: Darwin explains diversity of species | May 15 21:04 |
| schestowitz | It says nothing about the universe | May 15 21:04 |
| ThistleWeb | usually as you grow, you start to see the plotholes, then the penny drops that it's all make believe | May 15 21:04 |
| ThistleWeb | religion demands you hold onto those fairytales, and ignore the obvious plotholes | May 15 21:05 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, and he also explains how these species evolve and continue to exist. "Nature Selection" = "Survival of fittest" | May 15 21:05 |
| ThistleWeb | go against judgement, and have faith that something totally unprovable overrules logic | May 15 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Extrapolation of Darwin's theory all the way to the singularity/epoch is a common red herring | May 15 21:05 |
| ThistleWeb | still, without religion, we'd not have wars.....so our war industries should be glad | May 15 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: yes, it does include that | May 15 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Still, nothing about the cosmos | May 15 21:06 |
| Omar87 | ThistleWeb, you call them fairytales because you've been watching a lot of Disney movies. | May 15 21:06 |
| schestowitz | No | May 15 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Disney is bad | May 15 21:06 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I know. | May 15 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Disney is partly responsible for the problem | May 15 21:06 |
| ThistleWeb | lol, Omar87 if it makes you feel any better to believe that, be my guest | May 15 21:07 |
| schestowitz | It shows people santa claud, witches, God, and other fictitious figures | May 15 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Little Mermaid was kinda sexy though.. :-) unlike Poseidon | May 15 21:08 |
| Omar87 | ThistleWeb, Fairytales aren't true, and that's I call your idea about the universe that came to existence out of itself and for no friggin' reason whatsoever. A "Fairytale". | May 15 21:08 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | May 15 21:08 |
| ThistleWeb | George Carlin has a good take on religion | May 15 21:09 |
| ThistleWeb | "call me an idiot, but actually being able to see something kinda helps sell it's existence" | May 15 21:09 |
| Omar87 | I'm starting to feel sorry for you people. :-) | May 15 21:09 |
| ThistleWeb | \o/ | May 15 21:09 |
| Omar87 | All you care about is "Seeing" something. | May 15 21:10 |
| ThistleWeb | enlightenment 2.0 | May 15 21:10 |
| ThistleWeb | "if there is a God, may he strike me dead right here and now" | May 15 21:10 |
| Omar87 | Therefore, according to you weird reasoning, non of the outer space had ever existed before the invention of the telescope. | May 15 21:11 |
| ThistleWeb | really? that's a new one on me | May 15 21:11 |
| Omar87 | And none of the molecules and atoms existed either prior to the invention of the microscope. | May 15 21:11 |
| ThistleWeb | again, new to me | May 15 21:11 |
| Omar87 | ThistleWeb, it's called "Materialism". And yes. That's your religion. | May 15 21:11 |
| ThistleWeb | really? you know me so well | May 15 21:12 |
| schestowitz | [21:11] <Omar87> And none of the molecules and atoms existed either prior to the invention of the microscope. | May 15 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Not true | May 15 21:12 |
| schestowitz | They existed | May 15 21:12 |
| Omar87 | ThistleWeb, I'm not talking about you. | May 15 21:12 |
| ThistleWeb | completely wrong, but if it makes you feel better to have me judged | May 15 21:12 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, how did you you know? did you see them? | May 15 21:12 |
| schestowitz | A Greek person B.C. also hypothesised about it | May 15 21:12 |
| schestowitz | He explained that we can cut through things cause they have small halls in a finer level and he was right | May 15 21:13 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, that's a fairytale because, he's never seen them. | May 15 21:13 |
| schestowitz | We need evidence | May 15 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Any evidence | May 15 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Something acceptable | May 15 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Otherwise, it's not impossible but extremely unlikely | May 15 21:14 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Evidence is all around you. | May 15 21:14 |
| ThistleWeb | "it was God wot dun it" | May 15 21:14 |
| schestowitz | It would shatter too many existing theories we have | May 15 21:14 |
| ThistleWeb | "that's good enough for you, now back on your knees and open wide" | May 15 21:14 |
| schestowitz | By "theory" I don't mean what you take literally to be theory | May 15 21:14 |
| schestowitz | These are testable realities that are mature,... like the fact of gravity | May 15 21:14 |
| schestowitz | [21:14] <Omar87> schestowitz, Evidence is all around you. | May 15 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: of what? | May 15 21:15 |
| Omar87 | ThistleWeb, making fun and cracking jokes only proves you've got noting rational to say anymore. | May 15 21:15 |
| ThistleWeb | Omar87: I can only laugh these days | May 15 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Why leap beyond what I can see? | May 15 21:15 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Ya know something? I really enjoy arguing with you. At least you're always rational. | May 15 21:15 |
| ThistleWeb | anytime I see religious peeps offer fairytales and faith as "evidence" of something real | May 15 21:15 |
| Omar87 | ThistleWeb, exactly. You're just proving my point. | May 15 21:16 |
| schestowitz | I heard cracking at the gym today and looked for an explanation, I didn't use supernatural as a placeholder | May 15 21:16 |
| ThistleWeb | I;m glad | May 15 21:16 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, of the idea that this hole universe we're living would have never come out of nothing. | May 15 21:16 |
| schestowitz | It didn't | May 15 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Nobody says it came out of nothing | May 15 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Not cosmologists | May 15 21:17 |
| schestowitz | The typical Creationst tactic: | May 15 21:17 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, so how did it come? | May 15 21:17 |
| schestowitz | 1) use outdated theories that have been refined 3 decades ago | May 15 21:17 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, out probability? | May 15 21:17 |
| ThistleWeb | day 1 - the great jizz theory | May 15 21:17 |
| schestowitz | 2) use opinions of general scientists not in the fiels | May 15 21:17 |
| schestowitz | *field | May 15 21:17 |
| schestowitz | 3) lie | May 15 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: no | May 15 21:18 |
| ThistleWeb | anyhoo, I'll bow out of this convo | May 15 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Take a textbook on it | May 15 21:18 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, natural selection? | May 15 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Nobody in the area claims in came out of nothing | May 15 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: no | May 15 21:18 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, so how did it come? | May 15 21:18 |
| schestowitz | natural selection is a separate concept about biology | May 15 21:18 |
| schestowitz | The universe is said to have started with high temperature quarks and stuff | May 15 21:19 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, where did these come from? | May 15 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Before it cooled down upon expansion, then atoms were formed... of 1 or 2 types, depending on # of electrons | May 15 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: single point | May 15 21:19 |
| schestowitz | There might be several | May 15 21:19 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, and then? | May 15 21:20 |
| schestowitz | The inflation started | May 15 21:20 |
| schestowitz | No bang | May 15 21:20 |
| schestowitz | That's a derogatory explanation | May 15 21:20 |
| schestowitz | But it expanded very, very fast, far less than a second | May 15 21:20 |
| schestowitz | We see today's pace of expansion | May 15 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Radio telescopes can also pick up signals from around that time | May 15 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | The noise from the genesis can be roughly picked up and seamed together | May 15 21:21 |
| schestowitz | I think it was Hubble who did blue-red shift analysis | May 15 21:21 |
| schestowitz | So he found the distancing or elements at rapid pace, then did a regression | May 15 21:21 |
| _goblin | I read about how our universe was created with a black hole in another universe, expelling its matter via a white hole into this one. | May 15 21:22 |
| schestowitz | We know everything came from the same place and carries on expanding at some speed from which we derive the age... 14 billion | May 15 21:22 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, so, you say that these complex things occurred for no reason whatsoever? | May 15 21:22 |
| schestowitz | What is "Reason"? | May 15 21:22 |
| schestowitz | There is causality | May 15 21:23 |
| schestowitz | You must be thinking of human concept of "Reason" | May 15 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Like, "I wanted to drink cause I felt thirsty" | May 15 21:23 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, No. | May 15 21:23 |
| schestowitz | The space is not an organism | May 15 21:23 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I mean a "cause". | May 15 21:23 |
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| schestowitz | We find biological patterns in things | May 15 21:23 |
| ThistleWeb | I'd ask this, does anyone think their views will be altered in the slightest by this debate? | May 15 21:23 |
| schestowitz | That's just what we're born to do, and do very well | May 15 21:23 |
| Omar87 | ThistleWeb, that's not the point. | May 15 21:24 |
| schestowitz | What is the word for seeing faces in things? It's some big word... | May 15 21:24 |
| yuhong | Speaking of Shockwave and Wine, the most painful problem I encounter with it is this bug I filed: | May 15 21:24 |
| ThistleWeb | if nobody is capable of adjusting their view, then is there any point to it? other than to pass the time | May 15 21:24 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, do you keep changing the subject? | May 15 21:24 |
| yuhong | http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22710 | May 15 21:24 |
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| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: Omar87 is a shrewd guy | May 15 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Sooner or later he might associate the science he knows and put other things in dispute | May 15 21:25 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, what things? :) | May 15 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Science and suprnatural don't mix better than BP oil and salt water | May 15 21:25 |
| ThistleWeb | the faithful are impervious to logic and the logical are impervious to faith, it#s oil and water | May 15 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: you don't have to believe in the same things you believed when you were 3 | May 15 21:26 |
| schestowitz | If that were the case, I'd still believe in monsters under my bed | May 15 21:26 |
| schestowitz | And that would make me socially awkward | May 15 21:26 |
| schestowitz | We live in a society where if you say "Elvis is alive" people call you nutter | May 15 21:26 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I believe in them, because that other forms of belief are nonsense. I have found all the proof for that. | May 15 21:27 |
| schestowitz | But if you say that someone invisible has an obsession with supervising people's genitalia, that's OK, cause it's religion | May 15 21:27 |
| Omar87 | all the proof *I need* | May 15 21:27 |
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| ThistleWeb | lol, "my teams farytales are real, but everyone elses are not" | May 15 21:27 |
| ThistleWeb | love it | May 15 21:27 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, That's not religion. | May 15 21:28 |
| schestowitz | It's geography based | May 15 21:28 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: you can plot it on the globe | May 15 21:28 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, That's only what you think about religion. | May 15 21:28 |
| schestowitz | And you can point at entire cities and guess their version of "ultimate truth" | May 15 21:28 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz, what is the reason you people are still alive now? | May 15 21:28 |
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| schestowitz | Everyone is right of course, religion is never wrong anywhere | May 15 21:28 |
| Omar87 | What for/ | May 15 21:28 |
| Omar87 | ? | May 15 21:28 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz, that's not the point. | May 15 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: I have good cell replacement, still | May 15 21:29 |
| ThistleWeb | to me, if the religious stuck to themselves I'd be fine, but they feel the need to try and spread the faith | May 15 21:29 |
| schestowitz | So I am "Alive" | May 15 21:29 |
| schestowitz | All creatures die eventually | May 15 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Planets too | May 15 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Imperfection... and vocation not being part of the cosmos | May 15 21:29 |
| Omar87 | ThistleWeb, and to me, if non-religion stick to themselves, that would be great. But it seems they feel an urgency to spread their nonsense at any cost. (No offense) | May 15 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Actually "perfection" and "deivine" is a man-made concept. Except in geometry it has no meaning | May 15 21:30 |
| ThistleWeb | why keep adding "no offence"? lol | May 15 21:30 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I mean, what difference would it make if you live or die? | May 15 21:30 |
| schestowitz | It would 'suck' to die | May 15 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Not compatible with my goals as a creature; neither yours.... | May 15 21:31 |
| schestowitz | All creature must want to live | May 15 21:31 |
| Omar87 | ThistleWeb, because offending people pointlessly is not the reason I'm here. | May 15 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Otherwise they won't and be replaced by those who do | May 15 21:31 |
| ThistleWeb | I dunno, death is a good leveler, we're all either dust or worm food | May 15 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Worm is good | May 15 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Food chain feeder | May 15 21:32 |
| schestowitz | It keeps us humans going | May 15 21:32 |
| Omar87 | ThistleWeb, schestowitz true. | May 15 21:32 |
| ThistleWeb | yep | May 15 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Without becteria and worms in between, mammals and bird would starve | May 15 21:32 |
| schestowitz | *birds | May 15 21:32 |
| schestowitz | We need to keep equilibrium becuase of that | May 15 21:33 |
| schestowitz | The BP disaster wipes a lot of sea life | May 15 21:33 |
| schestowitz | It shortens our species' prosperity in the only planet we have | May 15 21:33 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, so how did natural selection come up with the brilliant idea of creating bacteria and worms in order to keep the food chain going? | May 15 21:33 |
| schestowitz | We needed them to come about | May 15 21:34 |
| schestowitz | But they came first and continue to evolve today | May 15 21:34 |
| schestowitz | It's a two-way relationship (more than two*) | May 15 21:34 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, and how did natural selection invent them? | May 15 21:34 |
| schestowitz | But "natural selection" didn't _create_ them as you put it | May 15 21:35 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | May 15 21:35 |
| schestowitz | You are implying an active action based on thought | May 15 21:35 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: you're having fun tonight | May 15 21:35 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, what did it do then? | May 15 21:35 |
| schestowitz | It's just a process, self-correcting | May 15 21:35 |
| schestowitz | [21:34] <Omar87> schestowitz, and how did natural selection invent them? | May 15 21:35 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't invent | May 15 21:35 |
| schestowitz | The flaws in replication (mutations) supposedly 'invent' stuff | May 15 21:35 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, You're implying the creation of this whole universe based on some thoughts a mathematical equation! :D | May 15 21:35 |
| schestowitz | It makes noise and what's rubbish basically dies | May 15 21:35 |
| Omar87 | and* | May 15 21:36 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: I don't mind it | May 15 21:36 |
| MinceR | Omar87: i don't think anyone is talking about _creation_ but you :> | May 15 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: no | May 15 21:36 |
| schestowitz | No maths | May 15 21:36 |
| ThistleWeb | you seem very knowledgable on it at least | May 15 21:36 |
| Omar87 | ThistleWeb, actually. I'm the having lots fun. | May 15 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Maths is calculus, which is a human abstraction | May 15 21:36 |
| schestowitz | You could treat things differently, but it requires different ways of using the brain and teaching kids | May 15 21:37 |
| Omar87 | ThistleWeb, I really enjoy listening to your pointless arguments. :-) | May 15 21:37 |
| ThistleWeb | ty | May 15 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Calculus like Newton's is a disciplines that helps explain nature | May 15 21:37 |
| Omar87 | ThistleWeb, welcome. | May 15 21:37 |
| ThistleWeb | I try to entertain | May 15 21:37 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, so how did this universe create itself? | May 15 21:37 |
| schestowitz | It didn't CREATE | May 15 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Don't be a creationist if you ask me questions with these words... | May 15 21:38 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, it warped? | May 15 21:38 |
| schestowitz | You need to get the vocabulary in tact | May 15 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: no | May 15 21:38 |
| schestowitz | It's not a personified thing | May 15 21:38 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, morphed? | May 15 21:39 |
| schestowitz | It's not a "Mr./Mrs. Universe" | May 15 21:39 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, baked? Cooked? | May 15 21:39 |
| schestowitz | [who are usualyl freaks on steroids] | May 15 21:39 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | May 15 21:39 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: it's more passive | May 15 21:39 |
| Omar87 | ThistleWeb, yeah. It's fun! :D | May 15 21:39 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz, built? | May 15 21:39 |
| schestowitz | The sun doesn't make light for us | May 15 21:39 |
| ThistleWeb | if I didn't know better it looks like trolling | May 15 21:39 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, programmed? | May 15 21:39 |
| schestowitz | THe light is there | May 15 21:39 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, designed? weaved? | May 15 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Stuff gets burned, we just happen to get the benefit of it | May 15 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: you're not listening | May 15 21:40 |
| schestowitz | It's not an act of planning | May 15 21:40 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, good. What made all these things? | May 15 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Or establishing anything by action | May 15 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: nothing made them | May 15 21:40 |
| schestowitz | they happened | May 15 21:40 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, out of nothing? | May 15 21:41 |
| schestowitz | You imply a first person | May 15 21:41 |
| schestowitz | made/creates begs for : | May 15 21:41 |
| schestowitz | [X] made/creates | May 15 21:41 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, they happened based of what? | May 15 21:41 |
| Omar87 | on* | May 15 21:41 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, what made them just "happen"? | May 15 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Nothing | May 15 21:41 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Nothing? | May 15 21:41 |
| schestowitz | You think of a person doing it | May 15 21:42 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, okay, so they must be robots then. | May 15 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Which then lead to the question, who made that person? | May 15 21:42 |
| schestowitz | It's recursive | May 15 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Save a step, say the universe has always been here | May 15 21:42 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, It's not. | May 15 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Rather than its 'creator' always being here | May 15 21:42 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, it's not recursive. | May 15 21:42 |
| schestowitz | It is | May 15 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Creator needs another creator | May 15 21:42 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, No. It's not. | May 15 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Which needs another creator | May 15 21:42 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, that's not true. | May 15 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Each step it adds complexity | May 15 21:43 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, that's were belief comes in. | May 15 21:43 |
| schestowitz | To make a God you need a more powerful Godly God | May 15 21:43 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, That's untrue. | May 15 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Godly Godly GodlyGodlyGodlyGodlyGodly God | May 15 21:43 |
| schestowitz | ecursion | May 15 21:43 |
| schestowitz | recursion | May 15 21:43 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Nope! | May 15 21:43 |
| schestowitz | [21:43] <Omar87> schestowitz, that's were belief comes in. | May 15 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Belief is assumption based on no evidence | May 15 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Like "faith" | May 15 21:44 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, We don't even know .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% about our universe. | May 15 21:44 |
| schestowitz | I believe because of <placeholder> | May 15 21:44 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, how can we simply to try to know everything about it's creator? | May 15 21:44 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, so again. What made this universe? :) | May 15 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Why do you assume such a thing exists? | May 15 21:45 |
| schestowitz | And we know more than you put there | May 15 21:45 |
| schestowitz | We don't have the scale represented in data | May 15 21:45 |
| schestowitz | It would take more than the universe capacity just to store | May 15 21:45 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, because any other reasoning doesn't make half a molecule of sense to me. | May 15 21:45 |
| ThistleWeb | religiious leaders like to take advantage of the poor too, by saying "hey in this life, you're scum, but believe what we say, do what we tell you to do and you'll be rewarded like a king when you cark it" | May 15 21:45 |
| schestowitz | A lot is just matter that's more or less the same | May 15 21:45 |
| ThistleWeb | not that it has anything to do with evolution | May 15 21:46 |
| Omar87 | ThistleWeb, that's nonsense. | May 15 21:46 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: it helps the cult spread | May 15 21:46 |
| ThistleWeb | it does that | May 15 21:46 |
| ThistleWeb | and since comming back from death to testify that the promise was real is so common | May 15 21:46 |
| Omar87 | ThistleWeb, you're just repeating Marx's nonsense. | May 15 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Religions that died didn't threaten Hell/death upon apostasy/etc | May 15 21:46 |
| schestowitz | So it leaves us with the most awe-some religions | May 15 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Those that propagate | May 15 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Buddhism is not a religion.. | May 15 21:47 |
| ThistleWeb | "strap a bomb on ya son, go to that checkpoint and blow yourself up, God will reward you like a king" | May 15 21:47 |
| Omar87 | ThistleWeb, keep making fun. | May 15 21:47 |
| schestowitz | All religion start with a relelation | May 15 21:47 |
| schestowitz | All of them | May 15 21:47 |
| schestowitz | A man who 'met' God | May 15 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Charismatic men who can fool many | May 15 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Mormon... | May 15 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Judaism (Abraham) | May 15 21:48 |
| ThistleWeb | they're not rewarded by money, they're promised rewards after death | May 15 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Muhammad | May 15 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | "I swear in God's name, I saw him!!" | May 15 21:48 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, none of them has seen God. | May 15 21:48 |
| schestowitz | "He told me I'm the chosen one" | May 15 21:48 |
| schestowitz | But many of them probably believe it | May 15 21:48 |
| ThistleWeb | there;s a very good reason God is not taken as a witness in court | May 15 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Sleep paralysis, delusion, drugs, etc. can induce that | May 15 21:49 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, so, instead of making fun. Can you convince me that this universe just existed? | May 15 21:49 |
| ThistleWeb | "god told me to do it" "I call God to the witness stand" | May 15 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: some say they have | May 15 21:49 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Prophet Muhammed never used drugs. | May 15 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: if anything, what you're saying that not a single person ever saw tangiable evidence | May 15 21:49 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, nope! I really don't know where you've got this false info from. | May 15 21:49 |
| ThistleWeb | "he spoke to me" "we dont want third hand evidence, we need god himself to testfy" | May 15 21:49 |
| schestowitz | But besides, the bible already says that I'm made in God's image | May 15 21:50 |
| schestowitz | ANd that women came from the men's rib | May 15 21:50 |
| schestowitz | I don't think it's even biologically possible | May 15 21:50 |
| ThistleWeb | lol, the people who wrote the bible thought the earth as flat | May 15 21:50 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I'm not talking about the bible. | May 15 21:50 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: they don't understand biology. | May 15 21:50 |
| schestowitz | [21:49] <Omar87> schestowitz, Prophet Muhammed never used drugs. | May 15 21:50 |
| schestowitz | He did | May 15 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Drugs are in any food | May 15 21:50 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I agree that the bible is full of fallacies and contradictions. | May 15 21:50 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, no. | May 15 21:51 |
| ThistleWeb | all holy books are | May 15 21:51 |
| ThistleWeb | not just the bible | May 15 21:51 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, he's never used them. | May 15 21:51 |
| schestowitz | They are also genocidal | May 15 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Difference is, some people don't take them seriously | May 15 21:51 |
| Omar87 | ThistleWeb, schestowitz, did you guys try to read the Quran? | May 15 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Some would see their neighbour mowing the lawn on Sunday and won't kill them with a sword | May 15 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Some are younger religion still in the equiv. of the European inquisition | May 15 21:52 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, why would anyone simply do that? | May 15 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Hopefully they'll mature or pass on | May 15 21:52 |
| schestowitz | *pass away even | May 15 21:52 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, You're a fascist. | May 15 21:52 |
| schestowitz | do you know what it means? | May 15 21:52 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism | May 15 21:52 |
| Techrights | Title: Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 537.58 KB | May 15 21:52 |
| schestowitz | "Fascism, pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/, is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology." | May 15 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Sounds to me like some religious autocracies | May 15 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Italians are largely Catholic | May 15 21:53 |
| ThistleWeb | and often Italian | May 15 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Hitler too was Catholic | May 15 21:53 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, 'coz you claim that all these people to embrace Islam are idiots who don't know what they're doing. And who are seduced with "drugs". | May 15 21:54 |
| schestowitz | No | May 15 21:54 |
| schestowitz | I didn't make such a claim. I said that people who claim a special relationship with God can be delusional | May 15 21:54 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, people including former atheists like Jeffery Lang (a Mathematician) | May 15 21:54 |
| ThistleWeb | Omar87: is using the force to keep logic out | May 15 21:54 |
| schestowitz | There are people like these out there today, but here in Britain people dismiss them as crackpots | May 15 21:54 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, they can be. Like Bush. | May 15 21:54 |
| ThistleWeb | anything that looks logical is twisted into a bizarre claim | May 15 21:55 |
| Omar87 | ThistleWeb, you are using nonsense to keep logic out. | May 15 21:55 |
| ThistleWeb | no offense | May 15 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Bush is no example :-D | May 15 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Actually he is | May 15 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Of religion _Fail_ | May 15 21:55 |
| ThistleWeb | bush saw a lot of exploitable voters | May 15 21:56 |
| schestowitz | He destroyed Iraq for his buddies | May 15 21:56 |
| schestowitz | A centre of early civilisation | May 15 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Africa being the origin of modern man | May 15 21:56 |
| MinceR | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/c4h9t/open_letter_the_issues_with/ | May 15 21:56 |
| Techrights | Title: Open Letter: The issues with client-side-window-decorations : linux .::. Size~: 61.82 KB | May 15 21:56 |
| ThistleWeb | an army of bible thumpers to help push his agenda | May 15 21:56 |
| schestowitz | i saw that | May 15 21:56 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I don't like that guy | May 15 21:56 |
| schestowitz | OOXML and Mono problem-maker | May 15 21:56 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: CSD is a stupid idea that canonical is pushing, though | May 15 21:57 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, so again. Back to our previous argument. How did this universe just "happen"? | May 15 21:57 |
| schestowitz | We don't know yet | May 15 21:57 |
| schestowitz | At least we don't pretend | May 15 21:57 |
| ThistleWeb | sometimes life is easier to just say "course it is son, whatever you say" | May 15 21:57 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, and guess what? You'll never know. | May 15 21:57 |
| ThistleWeb | religion is about filling in the gaps with "it was god wot done it" where science is about filling these gaps with "we dont know but we're stuill looking" | May 15 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: I know | May 15 21:58 |
| MinceR | now we know that saying "a god/a wizard/my invisible friend did it!" is "knowing" | May 15 21:58 |
| ThistleWeb | one is finale, the other is open ended | May 15 21:58 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, religion never was a reason of tyranny. It's those people who misuse it who make it look like it is. | May 15 21:58 |
| schestowitz | I put a placeholder there.... flying spaghetti monster | May 15 21:58 |
| schestowitz | It makes me happy, I have all the answers now | May 15 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes I'm more in the mood for flying steak monster | May 15 21:59 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, is it either materialism or nonsense? | May 15 21:59 |
| *schestowitz runs over the kitchen | May 15 21:59 | |
| MinceR | no IPU? | May 15 21:59 |
| ThistleWeb | as we learn more, we find some assumptions we held are not true, religion assumes "it's gods word, it's true, so any proof that suggests otherwise is wrong, even if it's repeatable and testable | May 15 21:59 |
| ThistleWeb | twist reality to the guesswork form centuries past because "god cant be wrong" | May 15 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Bible proves bible is true, proves bible is true... | May 15 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Or God proves bible in a loop | May 15 22:00 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, ThistleWeb, thanks for proving my point. :) | May 15 22:01 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm surprised some religious peeps dont denounce any companies who travel around the world, insisting that they must have fallen off the edge of the world, as the world is flat, the holy book said so | May 15 22:01 |
| Omar87 | Atheism is all about either blind materialism or nonsense. :) | May 15 22:01 |
| Omar87 | I g2g. | May 15 22:01 |
| Omar87 | bye all. | May 15 22:01 |
| *Omar87 has quit (Quit: Leaving) | May 15 22:01 | |
| ThistleWeb | sometimes you just have to laugh | May 15 22:02 |
| *schestowitz breathes in relief | May 15 22:02 | |
| schestowitz | Now he'll tell his mate he converted some nasty "atheists" | May 15 22:02 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | May 15 22:02 |
| *MinceR is not really an atheist | May 15 22:02 | |
| MinceR | :> | May 15 22:02 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: what are you? | May 15 22:03 |
| MinceR | agnostic | May 15 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Not what are you NOT? | May 15 22:03 |
| ThistleWeb | I stopped believing in fairytales a LONG time ago | May 15 22:03 |
| MinceR | though i'm pretty sure _his_ god doesn't exist, at least not in the way he believes so | May 15 22:03 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: still an A word | May 15 22:03 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: it's ok, the zealots will never understand the difference | May 15 22:03 |
| schestowitz | poppa figures are unlikely | May 15 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Deities | May 15 22:04 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm looking forward to the queue at the gates after death where peeps in team religious scarves are all lined up and some doorman saying "nope, wrong team son" | May 15 22:04 |
| MinceR | lol | May 15 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Some scientists call "God" random chance and other stuff... just metaphors | May 15 22:04 |
| ThistleWeb | then getting to my line with a "couldnt you lot at least have picked a team?" | May 15 22:04 |
| schestowitz | A game of words really | May 15 22:04 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: Pascals's Wager | May 15 22:05 |
| schestowitz | 1) if you're wrong, you go to Hell | May 15 22:05 |
| schestowitz | 2) if you're right, you go to Heaven | May 15 22:05 |
| ThistleWeb | wrong team, go to hell | May 15 22:05 |
| MinceR | pascal's wager doesn't work, because you can't _believe_ based on a speculation | May 15 22:05 |
| schestowitz | special bonus: [3) if "atheism" is right, you go to Heaven and religious folks go 'downstairs') | May 15 22:05 |
| schestowitz | That's the secret 'track' | May 15 22:06 |
| ThistleWeb | personally I've covering my ass, and making sure my coffin is packed with marshmallows, like packing styrophome | May 15 22:06 |
| MinceR | atheism doesn't work that way either :> | May 15 22:06 |
| ThistleWeb | if I'm going to a hot place, I'm making the best of it | May 15 22:06 |
| MinceR | lol | May 15 22:06 |
| MinceR | your coffin isn't going though :> | May 15 22:06 |
| ThistleWeb | it should also be a good reading light | May 15 22:07 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: yes, some return to life and scratch their coffin | May 15 22:07 |
| MinceR | lol | May 15 22:07 |
| ThistleWeb | I don't need the coffin, just the marshmallows | May 15 22:07 |
| schestowitz | If you have such a comeback, you'll chew yummy stuff till you run out of air | May 15 22:07 |
| ThistleWeb | and maybe a good book | May 15 22:07 |
| MinceR | what makes you think the marshmallows go? | May 15 22:07 |
| ThistleWeb | faith | May 15 22:07 |
| ThistleWeb | rofl | May 15 22:07 |
| MinceR | lol | May 15 22:07 |
| MinceR | there's an easier way | May 15 22:07 |
| schestowitz | No time for scratching, so many YUMMIES! :-) | May 15 22:07 |
| MinceR | believe that you'll go to the place _you_ want to, with all the marshmallows you want | May 15 22:07 |
| schestowitz | And 73 virgins.. made of marshmallow | May 15 22:08 |
| ThistleWeb | seriously, I love it when peeps tell me I'm going to hell | May 15 22:08 |
| MinceR | lol | May 15 22:08 |
| ThistleWeb | my point is that the earth has been well mapped, yet hell does not appear on Googlemaps | May 15 22:08 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: to hell with them | May 15 22:08 |
| ThistleWeb | why not | May 15 22:08 |
| MinceR | lol | May 15 22:09 |
| MinceR | i'll go to the Outer Plane that corresponds to my alignment ;) | May 15 22:09 |
| ThistleWeb | then again the weather report would be like the Fast Show "scorchio" | May 15 22:09 |
| ThistleWeb | get buried in your speedos with some suntan lotion and a parasol | May 15 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Cheaper | May 15 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Leaves more for the loved one | May 15 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Why bury people in suits? | May 15 22:10 |
| schestowitz | I mean, with golden bottons and all | May 15 22:10 |
| MinceR | makes for better business :> | May 15 22:10 |
| schestowitz | It's such a waste for the sake of the ceremony | May 15 22:10 |
| MinceR | also, they probably believe that clown suit makes them look dignified | May 15 22:10 |
| *MinceR hates suits | May 15 22:10 | |
| schestowitz | They could at least take the valuables out after the funeral | May 15 22:10 |
| MinceR | the entire ceremony is a waste anyway | May 15 22:11 |
| ThistleWeb | makes you look suave in the afterlife, which helps you get some zombie pussy | May 15 22:11 |
| MinceR | lol | May 15 22:11 |
| schestowitz | I mean, he families would never dig to verify, send the family the items by post | May 15 22:11 |
| MinceR | don't they say that the _soul_ goes there, not the body? | May 15 22:11 |
| MinceR | exhuming still reveals bodies and all | May 15 22:11 |
| ThistleWeb | I did think about creating a speshul Easter nick, ZombieJesus | May 15 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Say "it came back from the sky... oh, and he said "he loved his funeral very, very much"" | May 15 22:11 |
| MinceR | so putting any sort of stuff _around_ the body will not affect anything | May 15 22:11 |
| schestowitz | [22:11] <MinceR> don't they say that the _soul_ goes there, not the body? | May 15 22:12 |
| schestowitz | That would suck | May 15 22:12 |
| ThistleWeb | the sole goes on the bottom of the foot | May 15 22:12 |
| schestowitz | Seeing your corpse 'down there' being digested by microorganism | May 15 22:12 |
| MinceR | yet we can still find bodies (or remains thereof) in cemeteries | May 15 22:12 |
| schestowitz | That's not my idea of "Heaven" | May 15 22:12 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: the material it's made of will be reused by nature, even if we make it more difficult to happen :> | May 15 22:12 |
| schestowitz | How about burial of Pharaohs? | May 15 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Those ancient people got better burials than our generation of geeks | May 15 22:13 |
| ThistleWeb | I find the legal system odd "swear on the bible to tell the truth blah blah" "sure, but for all the good it does me, it may as well be Noddy Does Dallas" | May 15 22:13 |
| schestowitz | I mean, they become celebrities even 5 millennia later. That's bloody awesome | May 15 22:13 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: it's like polygraph | May 15 22:14 |
| schestowitz | It fails the test if you don't believe it | May 15 22:14 |
| schestowitz | polygraph is hyped up | May 15 22:14 |
| schestowitz | it creates fear | May 15 22:14 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah, the idea is that god's wathcing and will punish you f you lie | May 15 22:14 |
| schestowitz | They tell you it definitely works, so you get nevous | May 15 22:14 |
| ThistleWeb | if there is no god, there is no watching and no fear | May 15 22:14 |
| schestowitz | In the court of law, those tests are not invalid | May 15 22:14 |
| ThistleWeb | so it's as effective as any other book | May 15 22:14 |
| schestowitz | But like torture they can make the suspect break down and make admission | May 15 22:15 |
| MinceR | that's what you get when religious zealots get to run a country | May 15 22:15 |
| ThistleWeb | if they believe | May 15 22:15 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: the RIGHT hand... | May 15 22:15 |
| schestowitz | THe left hand doesn't count | May 15 22:15 |
| ThistleWeb | if the witness does not, then the book is meaningless | May 15 22:15 |
| schestowitz | "Haha! Gotcha... I didn't lie on the bible cause I put the wrong hand" | May 15 22:15 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | May 15 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Can people who lost their arms in the war lie in court" | May 15 22:15 |
| schestowitz | /"/? | May 15 22:15 |
| MinceR | what if someone crosses fingers on his left hand while swearing on the bible? | May 15 22:15 |
| ThistleWeb | "swear on it? no probs...I wont fucking lie" | May 15 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Knock on wood... | May 15 22:16 |
| schestowitz | "Holy crap!" | May 15 22:16 |
| ThistleWeb | holy crap is what the plumbers in the vatican need to deal with | May 15 22:16 |
| ThistleWeb | blockages | May 15 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Oh | May 15 22:17 |
| schestowitz | I thought you meant sodomised kids | May 15 22:17 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | May 15 22:17 |
| ThistleWeb | church bring and bum sale | May 15 22:17 |
| MinceR | lol | May 15 22:17 |
| ThistleWeb | a good traditional fundraiser | May 15 22:18 |
| ThistleWeb | or the always popular "harrass a non-believer" event, where they kidnap some poor sod who was walking by, tie them to a chair and charge money for the faithful to stand around and quote the bible to them | May 15 22:20 |
| ThistleWeb | knowing they cant run away | May 15 22:20 |
| schestowitz | "non-beliver..." | May 15 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Describing one but what s/he's not | May 15 22:22 |
| ThistleWeb | heretic | May 15 22:22 |
| schestowitz | "non-proprietary" | May 15 22:23 |
| schestowitz | That's a classic | May 15 22:23 |
| schestowitz | So RMS says "nonfree" instead of proprietary | May 15 22:23 |
| ThistleWeb | ye godless blasphemer | May 15 22:23 |
| schestowitz | God-LESS | May 15 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Negation again | May 15 22:23 |
| schestowitz | "You GOdful man" | May 15 22:23 |
| MinceR | doubleplus ungood | May 15 22:24 |
| ThistleWeb | Negaton? sounds like a new baddie for the Transformers franchise | May 15 22:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] About to watch Robin Hood. Hope it's not as bad as it looks... | May 15 22:24 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100513/1407309415.shtml | May 15 22:24 |
| Techrights | Title: VA Continues Its Annual Tradition Of Losing Laptop With Unencrypted Sensitive Data | Techdirt .::. Size~: 34.27 KB | May 15 22:24 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: negatron? | May 15 22:25 |
| MinceR | megaton | May 15 22:25 |
| schestowitz | No, no... | May 15 22:25 |
| schestowitz | You're ruining the suggestive quality :0) | May 15 22:25 |
| ThistleWeb | could be, studio script writers don't have much imagination | May 15 22:25 |
| schestowitz | I bet it's also a trademark{TM} | May 15 22:25 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: yesterday I found out that script kiddie/director Spielberg is a bit of a nutter | May 15 22:26 |
| schestowitz | He started a MySpace-like site for UFO freaks ans tuff | May 15 22:26 |
| schestowitz | *stuff | May 15 22:26 |
| MinceR | what, Spielberg is a script kiddie? | May 15 22:26 |
| schestowitz | He is also said to have abaondoned a hotel and taken all stuff with him cause he thought it was haunted | May 15 22:27 |
| schestowitz | He makes many films about alients and fiction | May 15 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it's just his age... he wants to believe he has somewhere to go | May 15 22:27 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | May 15 22:27 |
| schestowitz | You know, James Randi lied to his grandpa | May 15 22:27 |
| schestowitz | He said on his deathbed that he would meet his wife who had died 2 years beforehand | May 15 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Rando nodded | May 15 22:28 |
| schestowitz | *Randi | May 15 22:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.wired.co.uk/wired-magazine/archive/2010/06/start/investigation-apple-vs-nokia-vs-google-vs-htc-vs-rim?page=all | May 15 22:28 |
| Techrights | Title: Investigation: Apple vs Nokia vs Google vs HTC vs RIM .::. Size~: 64.96 KB | May 15 22:29 |
| MinceR | the ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny? :> | May 15 22:29 |
| *DaemonFC (~none@c-69-245-224-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 15 22:29 | |
| schestowitz | Here is the AT&T dude | May 15 22:30 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you missed a good discussion | May 15 22:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Golly Rob Brydon is fantastic on Live at The Apollo #bbc | May 15 22:30 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Apple ftw? | May 15 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Their cult spreads fast | May 15 22:31 |
| schestowitz | True Appliever | May 15 22:31 |
| MinceR | crApple ftl | May 15 22:31 |
| schestowitz | And a liver for the leader | May 15 22:31 |
| schestowitz | They need to harvest it from cult member | May 15 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Replacement parts for exploding batteries | May 15 22:31 |
| ThistleWeb | "thou shall worship no other Steve than me" | May 15 22:31 |
| ThistleWeb | ^^ could apply to either apple or MS lol | May 15 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Thou shlt not steal gen-4 iPad | May 15 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Punishment: death or police raid | May 15 22:32 |
| schestowitz | *iPhone | May 15 22:32 |
| ThistleWeb | iLash | May 15 22:32 |
| schestowitz | I guess it makes Android the Golden calf | May 15 22:32 |
| ThistleWeb | when geeks cark it, they go back to a more pure form....bits | May 15 22:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.androidpads.com/2010/05/11/neofonie-renames-the-wepad-to-wetab/ | May 15 22:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.androidguys.com/2010/05/13/wepad-wetab/ | May 15 22:33 |
| Techrights | Title: Neofonie renames the WePad to WeTab » androidpads.com .::. Size~: 46.83 KB | May 15 22:33 |
| schestowitz | In the news | May 15 22:33 |
| Techrights | Title: WePad changes name to WeTab | AndroidGuys .::. Size~: 28.33 KB | May 15 22:33 |
| ThistleWeb | different type of bits | May 15 22:33 |
| ThistleWeb | but still | May 15 22:33 |
| schestowitz | iBits? | May 15 22:33 |
| schestowitz | iNode? | May 15 22:34 |
| schestowitz | iMbecile | May 15 22:34 |
| ThistleWeb | worm food, bits | May 15 22:34 |
| ThistleWeb | decay | May 15 22:34 |
| MinceR | 231640 < schestowitz> iNode? | May 15 22:34 |
| MinceR | damn, my filesystem is full of those | May 15 22:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/14/us/14suicide.html?src=twt&twt=nytimestech&pagewanted=all | May 15 22:34 |
| Techrights | Title: Online Talk, Suicides and a Thorny Court Case - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 76.88 KB | May 15 22:34 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100514/0044209421.shtml | May 15 22:34 |
| Techrights | Title: Is It Illegal To Tell People How To Commit Suicide Online? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 61.8 KB | May 15 22:34 |
| schestowitz | One of those tricky subjects | May 15 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | http://media.venturebeat.com/2010/05/14/virtual-iris-html5/ | May 15 22:35 |
| Techrights | Title: Ad company Virtual Iris riding the HTML5 wave | VentureBeat .::. Size~: 42 KB | May 15 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | ad companies to abuse HTML 5 now | May 15 22:35 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: rename it or be sued | May 15 22:35 |
| schestowitz | iInsist | May 15 22:35 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/14/apple_location_specific_content_patent/ | May 15 22:35 |
| Techrights | Title: Apple patent filing portends Google ad war • The Register .::. Size~: 36.79 KB | May 15 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | so why hasn't Cowon been sued? | May 15 22:36 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100514/0132529424.shtml | May 15 22:38 |
| Techrights | Title: Police Say Facebook Is Liable In Man's Death, Because He Was At A Flashmob Organized On Facebook | Techdirt .::. Size~: 56.39 KB | May 15 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Remember Drew case? | May 15 22:38 |
| schestowitz | If I insulted someone for something and s/he kills self, then I can go to prison | May 15 22:38 |
| schestowitz | But IIRC, the ruling was overturned | May 15 22:39 |
| schestowitz | ANd it's "only in America" as the saying goes | May 15 22:39 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100513/1429099416.shtml | May 15 22:39 |
| Techrights | Title: Federal Agencies May Lose Funding For R&D Projects Because The NSF Didn't Fire An Employee Who Saw Porn | Techdirt .::. Size~: 33.58 KB | May 15 22:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/05/why-the-biggest-competitor-to-ipad-news-apps-may-be-a-familiar-face/ | May 15 22:43 |
| Techrights | Title: Why the biggest competitor to iPad news apps may be a familiar icon » Nieman Journalism Lab .::. Size~: 49.8 KB | May 15 22:43 |
| schestowitz | hypePad junk | May 15 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: You refer to the Cyber Bullying nonsense | May 15 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | someone writes "So and so is a fatass" on their facebook, then the other kid kills herself | May 15 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | or something to that effect | May 15 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | makes no sense of course | May 15 22:44 |
| ThistleWeb | the Drew case was all about trying to twist an existing law to suit her case to give the media justice | May 15 22:44 |
| ThistleWeb | rather than say "well, there's no laws that apply, but maybe there should be for the future" | May 15 22:45 |
| ThistleWeb | because anything they create afterwards cant apply to her | May 15 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, 1366 x 768 is a popular resolution for "720p" sets | May 15 22:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google says it 'accidentally' collected MAC addresses of people. http://ur1.ca/016yn True, fiction, or spin? | May 15 22:45 | |
| Techrights | Title: Official Google Blog: WiFi data collection: An update .::. Size~: 60.7 KB | May 15 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | well into the $500-ish range | May 15 22:45 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I don't know exactly what she did? | May 15 22:45 |
| schestowitz | I don't think she hijacked her account though | May 15 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | I forget | May 15 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | it was some stupid insult on myspace or something | May 15 22:46 |
| ThistleWeb | she created an account pretending to be a 14yr old boy | May 15 22:46 |
| ThistleWeb | then befreinded her | May 15 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | May 15 22:46 |
| ThistleWeb | as a boy | May 15 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Immatue lady | May 15 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Fake accounts are sssssssssoooo like... what? 14? | May 15 22:46 |
| ThistleWeb | strung her along, then started hassling her | May 15 22:46 |
| schestowitz | I probably did these pranks on my friends when I was 14-15 in ICQ | May 15 22:47 |
| schestowitz | And IRC | May 15 22:47 |
| ThistleWeb | knowing the hurt she was causing, as they were neighbours | May 15 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Then posted the logs to other mutual mates | May 15 22:47 |
| schestowitz | We all pulled these tricks on one another | May 15 22:47 |
| ThistleWeb | cant remember the details but that was the gist of it | May 15 22:47 |
| ThistleWeb | the charge they tried to get her on was the "lying on a website form" or something | May 15 22:48 |
| schestowitz | To be fair, she's being a kid... | May 15 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Why would an adult do that... and to a kid? | May 15 22:48 |
| ThistleWeb | by knowingly signing up and stating she was a) a boy and b) 14 or 15 yrs old | May 15 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like the type of thing DaemonFC would do to his ex | May 15 22:49 |
| ThistleWeb | it's jerry springer stuff | May 15 22:49 |
| ThistleWeb | but they were scrambling around to find anything to chrage her with to satisfy the media ritchous mob | May 15 22:49 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: unless she was doing this to prey on kids sexually, it's just cyber prankster | May 15 22:49 |
| schestowitz | No law against that | May 15 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Is Springer still on at all? | May 15 22:50 |
| schestowitz | That show was entertaining but lame | May 15 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Here we have Trisha :0) | May 15 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Trash | May 15 22:50 |
| ThistleWeb | she was largely responsible for tipping the girl over to suicide, but there's no laws that she's broken | May 15 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: No | May 15 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | an ex of mine leaves me and goes on to descend further | May 15 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | in other words, leaving me only seems like a good idea at the time | May 15 22:51 |
| ThistleWeb | springer is always on if you have a cheap ass TV network who can only afford repeats | May 15 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | and I can take comfort in knowing that | May 15 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 15 22:51 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: he used to be a mayor iIRC | May 15 22:59 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah | May 15 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Cincinnati? | May 15 22:59 |
| ThistleWeb | sounds right | May 15 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Now he does brawls | May 15 22:59 |
| schestowitz | I loved his show when I was 17-18 | May 15 23:00 |
| schestowitz | It was fun to watch | May 15 23:00 |
| ThistleWeb | in some parliments, the ability to handle mass brawls would be an asset | May 15 23:00 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't handle it | May 15 23:03 |
| schestowitz | He has guards | May 15 23:03 |
| schestowitz | They just stir up the guests... that's not what you want from negotiators | May 15 23:03 |
| schestowitz | Springer's show is like Kilroy on Steroids | May 15 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The big bald guy? | May 15 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | yep | May 15 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | Ballmer moonlights on Springer | May 15 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | May 15 23:06 |
| ThistleWeb | thats the sheen from the bald head | May 15 23:06 |
| schestowitz | It's easy | May 15 23:06 |
| schestowitz | He's a buttface | May 15 23:06 |
| schestowitz | he just sits there ans smiles | May 15 23:06 |
| schestowitz | *And | May 15 23:06 |
| ThistleWeb | an overweight gollum | May 15 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | my neighbor must have sprayed Agent Orange on my lawn | May 15 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | it killed all the stinging nettles, and the grass, and everything else :P | May 15 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Second sexual post from /, in 2 days: http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/05/15/0211219/Avatars-Used-For-Australian-Online-Sex-Appeal-Study | May 15 23:07 |
| Techrights | Title: Slashdot Science Story | Avatars Used For Australian Online Sex Appeal Study .::. Size~: 141.34 KB | May 15 23:07 |
| ThistleWeb | the grass too? damn.....all that money wasted | May 15 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | bet that's great stuff to have seep into the ground water P | May 15 23:07 |
| schestowitz | At least you don't leave in Iraq | May 15 23:08 |
| schestowitz | There's radiation left there too... and higher cancer rates and birth defects | May 15 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to go to Walmart and get some box fans | May 15 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | leave half them blowing inwards and half as exhaust fans | May 15 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | run them at night | May 15 23:08 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-27076_3-20005016-248.html | May 15 23:08 |
| Techrights | Title: Students now get priority access to Google Voice | Web Crawler - CNET News .::. Size~: 88.38 KB | May 15 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | has to be a better way to cool than that damned window A/C | May 15 23:09 |
| MinceR | iRaq | May 15 23:09 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: didn't you go to Indiana University for a while? | May 15 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: No | May 15 23:09 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: iRack | May 15 23:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw2nkoGLhrE | May 15 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you got student discounts on Vista 7 and stuff..? | May 15 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart does hire managers with management degrees, but they prefer to promote from within | May 15 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | they can pay you less that way :) | May 15 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Yes, from the school I attend | May 15 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | in China | May 15 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | May 15 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I got ahold of a school administrator's Dreamspark account and got on Dreamspark from behind a Chinese proxy server | May 15 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | signed up for my Dreamspark account and product licenses from there :D | May 15 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | the accounts only last for a year, but any serials you generate in that time remain valid | May 15 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | and they'll reactivate even after your student account expires | May 15 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft makes it ridiculously easy to do this kind of stuff | May 15 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | they make it just hard enough so that anyone willing to go pay them will | May 15 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | and anyone who won't, will take a free copy and not use competing software | May 15 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Report it to them | May 15 23:14 |
| schestowitz | They'll make you MVP again | May 15 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | they know it's going on | May 15 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | they leak these things on purpose | May 15 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | that's probably not even a real administrator's account | May 15 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | they probably made it up to create a backdoor for people to get free copies of Windows and Office | May 15 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | gives them deniability | May 15 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | lets them continue blasting "software pirates" while they leak their own stuff | May 15 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | and with their software activation system, they can turn every copy they leaked out off, at once, if they ever decide to | May 15 23:16 |
| MinceR | companies can't afford to get licenses that way, though | May 15 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | right, bigger target | May 15 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | and Microsoft doesn't want to let them | May 15 23:17 |
| MinceR | so FLOSS is still the cheapest way for them | May 15 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | those are the juiciest customers | May 15 23:17 |
| MinceR | not just that | May 15 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft won't give them an inch | May 15 23:17 |
| MinceR | also it's probably a lot of hassle to do this legwork for each workstation | May 15 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, cause the Dreamspark serials are VLK x 1 | May 15 23:17 |
| MinceR | (and it's easier to detect) | May 15 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | each serial only ever activates one PC | May 15 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | it's almost like OEM | May 15 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | if your hardware ever changes enough to piss it off, it will never reactivate | May 15 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | I think the rule is 3 changes within a month | May 15 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | or different motherboard model | May 15 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | and it will make you reactivate | May 15 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | motherboard always triggers it right away | May 15 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | but changing installed RAM, a hard disk, and your video card within a rolling 30 day period will also freak it out | May 15 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | so if I changed the installed RAM and hard disk today, I need to wait 31 days before changing the GPU out | May 15 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | or else Windows will freak out on me :P | May 15 23:20 |
| schestowitz | antifeaturesl yay | May 15 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | sometimes if you have an OEM serial, you can beg Microsoft to reactivate it on a new motherboard if you tell them your motherboard failed | May 15 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | but they never do that for VLK, cause individual are never supposed to have those | May 15 23:22 |
| MinceR | begging must feel great | May 15 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, especially for something you already paid for | May 15 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | when you're not even trying to do anything wrong | May 15 23:22 |
| MinceR | realizing that you're completely at the mercy of a company | May 15 23:22 |
| schestowitz | So basically the trick is, blame your mother.... board | May 15 23:22 |
| schestowitz | [23:22] <MinceR> realizing that you're completely at the mercy of a company | May 15 23:23 |
| schestowitz | And thankful to it | May 15 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Power games | May 15 23:23 |
| *schestowitz prepares daily links | May 15 23:24 | |
| *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: DaemonFC) | May 15 23:25 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] At #uds people tried to convince me that bacon and maple syrup is nice. They were wrong :) Poor them, not eating bacon as pigs intended. #fb | May 15 23:27 | |
| *schestowitz watches a very lousy trailer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siQgD9qOhRs | May 15 23:29 | |
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| schestowitz | Google fixed this | May 15 23:32 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] RT @directhex @popey Americans don't understand #bacon <- this is a [FACT] | May 15 23:46 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I225Vcs3X0g | May 15 23:53 |
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| schestowitz | Great video | May 15 23:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Maybe the reason why americans put maple syrup on bacon is because they fuck it up in the first place by cremating it. This makes sense. | May 15 23:55 | |
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