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| DaemonFC | heh, schestowitz | May 20 00:15 |
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| DaemonFC | Consumerist links to bad information | May 20 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | "Go use a debt settlement company which charges 35% of the forgiven amount of the debts, and we won't mention that any difference in the settlement and the original bill is counted as taxable income by the IRS" | May 20 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | you're better off to file a bankruptcy in the situation they gave | May 20 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | the bitch of it is, that once you owe the IRS thousands of dollars, no bankruptcy court can possibly forgive that | May 20 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | and the credit card companies can still put a bad mark on your credit report for not paying in full, which a bankruptcy will leave no trace of :) | May 20 00:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @OpenRightsGroup Lib Dems vote against blocking & disconnection: keep pressure up, sign the petition #DEAct repeal: http://bit.ly/95t2kE | May 20 00:18 | |
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| schestowitz | jweyrich: http://mobile.londonist.com/2010/05/new_bus_for_london_design_unveiled.php | May 20 00:19 |
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| DaemonFC | so file bankruptcy over $20,000 can become "Get taken by the debt settlement company for $4,000 and go to prison or get your wages garnished by the IRS when you can't pay them the $11,000 that was "forgiven", have bad credit anyway" :) | May 20 00:19 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I dumped the Consumerist | May 20 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | consumerist is giving bad advice | May 20 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather owe any amount to anybody than owe it to the IRS | May 20 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | with the IRS, even the minimal sham of consumer protection doesn't apply | May 20 00:20 |
| schestowitz | http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2010/05/201051695350717990.html | May 20 00:20 |
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| schestowitz | http://37signals.com/svn/posts/2330-diasporas-curse | May 20 00:21 |
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| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/05/early-sales-data-suggests-ipad-cannibalizing-ipods-not-macs.ars | May 20 00:23 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC: I know of a few people that are going to take 100 + years to pay off their Australian tax debt. | May 20 00:26 |
| oiaohm | There is going to be nothing for their releations when they die. | May 20 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the IRS will eventually declare that you are so far behind that you will never pay them in full, so you can make any amount of money you want and they only have to leave you with minimum wage | May 20 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 20 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | nice huh? | May 20 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | What does this encourage? More illegal and/or off-the-book work | May 20 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | more tax evasion | May 20 00:28 |
| oiaohm | Nasty thing here. You do a deal with the tax office to catch up on tax. | May 20 00:28 |
| oiaohm | You catch up. | May 20 00:28 |
| oiaohm | But the deal does not end. | May 20 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | what are they going to punish you with at that point? | May 20 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 20 00:28 |
| oiaohm | So as soon as you owe money the tax office can take. | May 20 00:29 |
| oiaohm | Because you made a deal to pay tax debt. | May 20 00:29 |
| oiaohm | Yes evil. | May 20 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | how does that work? | May 20 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | they can take more than you owe them? | May 20 00:29 |
| oiaohm | Pay back contracts don't include the ammount you owe | May 20 00:29 |
| oiaohm | Only that while you owe money to the tax office they are allowed todo the following. | May 20 00:30 |
| oiaohm | And its for your life time. DaemonFC | May 20 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | so once you sign the deal, it's for the rest of your life | May 20 00:30 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | May 20 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | so they don't even need you to agree to be garnished ever again? | May 20 00:30 |
| oiaohm | Yep | May 20 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | that's scary | May 20 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | they could fuck up and take any amount of money they wanted | May 20 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | even if you don't really owe them | May 20 00:31 |
| oiaohm | If they do they have to pay 15 percent interest on it. | May 20 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | can you sue them if that happens? | May 20 00:31 |
| oiaohm | Ie if they take more than you owe. | May 20 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | what's the process to get it back? | May 20 00:31 |
| oiaohm | Straight forward inform them they have over taken it will be returned in 24 hours. | May 20 00:32 |
| oiaohm | With interest | May 20 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | so really it may be a good thing if they clean you out and then you tell them they messed up | May 20 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | like if they zap $10,000 out of your bank | May 20 00:32 |
| oiaohm | Note they have to pay double the going interest rate. | May 20 00:33 |
| DaemonFC | and then owe you 15% on that :) | May 20 00:33 |
| oiaohm | So yep its the best interest you are ever going to get. | May 20 00:33 |
| oiaohm | So most people don't mind the fuck ups too much. | May 20 00:33 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't | May 20 00:33 |
| oiaohm | But if you owe they can just take and not tell you. | May 20 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | hell, take it all | May 20 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | be my guest :) | May 20 00:34 |
| oiaohm | Once they have the agreement. | May 20 00:34 |
| oiaohm | So you can think you have money in the bank account. | May 20 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | heh | May 20 00:34 |
| oiaohm | And turn up and bugger its gone. | May 20 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | kind of like how banks make money | May 20 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | overdraft fees :) | May 20 00:34 |
| oiaohm | and since you have to register you tax file number on every account you open or get hit at max tax rate. | May 20 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | I might switch banks | May 20 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | Wells Fargo has a pretty abusive overdraft policy | May 20 00:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Amnesty UK Advertisement Which the FT Refused to Publish http://ur1.ca/026tb via @glynmoody @AmnestyUK #bp #nigeria #africa | May 20 00:35 | |
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| oiaohm | Changing bank accounts don't help you against the Australian tax office. DaemonFC | May 20 00:35 |
| oiaohm | Yes the agreement is highly generic. | May 20 00:35 |
| oiaohm | It does not even state the bank account they have to take the money out of DaemonFC | May 20 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: overdrawing yourself to buy a candy bar may turn that candy bar into a $300 candy bar if you let your account siut for a few weeks with the negative $1 balance in it :D | May 20 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | *sit | May 20 00:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @Hairyears There was a young man in the Pub Who started expanding a stub Twas deWikipeded For 'Citation Needed' The elegant editors snub | May 20 00:36 | |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: So if you stash it in a mattress..... | May 20 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 20 00:36 |
| oiaohm | Yep happens quite commonaly with people having tax office stuff removed. DaemonFC | May 20 00:36 |
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| oiaohm | They can still get you DaemonFC | May 20 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | my landlord asked how I had nice stuff | May 20 00:37 |
| oiaohm | Note it does not say where they take the money from has to be a bank account. | May 20 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | and if I'd been selling crack | May 20 00:38 |
| oiaohm | Only that is has to be an account. | May 20 00:38 |
| oiaohm | So that includes phone and power and water. | May 20 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | I told him no, that I just spent my money on things other than crack, unlike the rest of the tenants :P | May 20 00:38 |
| oiaohm | Australian Tax Office is not something to attempt to screw tih DaemonFC | May 20 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: So if you leave credit on the gas bill, they can take that | May 20 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 20 00:38 |
| oiaohm | No they can add it to the bill | May 20 00:39 |
| oiaohm | So if you don't pay you don't have power. | May 20 00:39 |
| oiaohm | Or water or something else. | May 20 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | yikes | May 20 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | that would be illegal here | May 20 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | you can't just shut someone's utilities off without a damned good reason | May 20 00:39 |
| oiaohm | As you can see there is no way to get away from the Australian tax office other than been a bum. | May 20 00:40 |
| oiaohm | And have no accounts in your name. | May 20 00:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Just got around to watching the latest ep of Pacific....brave stories....not sure about the series though. | May 20 00:41 | |
| oiaohm | Lot of our areas have water tanks DaemonFC | May 20 00:41 |
| oiaohm | So they shut of mains you can still buy water. | May 20 00:42 |
| oiaohm | Expensive yes but you are not stuffed. | May 20 00:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] And the romantic interests really are not what I want to watch...maybe its just me. | May 20 00:42 | |
| oiaohm | And most houses here do support generators as well DaemonFC | May 20 00:42 |
| oiaohm | So that is why shutting off utilties is not illegal. | May 20 00:42 |
| oiaohm | Now they cannot shut off sewege leaving properity because that would be illegal. DaemonFC | May 20 00:43 |
| oiaohm | Basically cheeper to pay the Australian Tax Office than avoid them DaemonFC | May 20 00:44 |
| oiaohm | I guess where you are no where to place generators and water tanks DaemonFC | May 20 00:44 |
| cubezzz | ok, anyone know what the fastest radeon agp x2 card would be? | May 20 00:46 |
| oiaohm | Ok you are looking for a duel type agp card. ie agp x2 and agp x4 compadible. | May 20 00:47 |
| oiaohm | Basically the fastest agp x4 card made in compadiblity form. | May 20 00:47 |
| cubezzz | yeah I need agp x2 compatible | May 20 00:47 |
| cubezzz | I see the 7000 is pretty cheap, but maybe not the fastest | May 20 00:48 |
| cubezzz | and it's supported by the FOSS ati driver | May 20 00:48 |
| oiaohm | Cannot remember if 8000 were done for agp x2 | May 20 00:48 |
| cubezzz | 7000: | May 20 00:49 |
| cubezzz | "Pentium® 4/III/II/Celeron™, AMD® K6/Duron/Athlon®/Athlon XP or compatible with AGP 2.0 Compliant BUS- AGP 2X (3.3V), AGP 4X (1.5V), or AGP2X/4X based systems" | May 20 00:49 |
| oiaohm | http://ati.amd.com/products/radeon9700/radeon9700pro/specs.html If you can find one cubezzz | May 20 00:49 |
| oiaohm | Yes scary card x2 x4 and x8 in 1. cubezzz | May 20 00:50 |
| cubezzz | ah, I bet that would be quite a bit faster | May 20 00:50 |
| cubezzz | well I know I can get the 7000 for 8 bucks :) | May 20 00:51 |
| oiaohm | I was not aware of a x8 hybrid down | May 20 00:52 |
| oiaohm | But hey all kinds of strange stuff exists. | May 20 00:52 |
| cubezzz | $50 not too bad | May 20 00:52 |
| cubezzz | I wonder if that would make much different on a p3 450 though | May 20 00:53 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | May 20 00:53 |
| cubezzz | my object is just to build a FOSS computer | May 20 00:53 |
| cubezzz | ok, the 7000 it is then | May 20 00:54 |
| oiaohm | p3 450 is not going to be able to provide data fast enought o a 7000 | May 20 00:54 |
| oiaohm | Anyhow. | May 20 00:54 |
| oiaohm | Yes the 9700 would look a little better but its not going to be able to render faster. | May 20 00:54 |
| cubezzz | well.. I wanted coreboot compatible and it was so cheap, I got the mobo for 5 bucks :) | May 20 00:54 |
| cubezzz | ok | May 20 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Basically not enough that I would class it as worth it. | May 20 00:55 |
| cubezzz | I can't believe how cheap p3 stuff has become | May 20 00:55 |
| oiaohm | If it was P3 1 ghz | May 20 00:55 |
| cubezzz | no, just 450 :) | May 20 00:55 |
| oiaohm | I would be at question mark | May 20 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Ie p3 1ghz might be able to feed just fast enough to get ahead of a 7000 | May 20 00:56 |
| oiaohm | And its only a might. | May 20 00:56 |
| oiaohm | Basically the problem is the cpu is gutless compared to the card. cubezzz | May 20 00:56 |
| cubezzz | well when I'm done I'll report on glxgears and all that | May 20 00:57 |
| cubezzz | and it will run pretty cool | May 20 00:57 |
| oiaohm | Its not going to have great numbers I can tell you that now. cubezzz | May 20 00:58 |
| oiaohm | Ie cpu crippled. | May 20 00:58 |
| oiaohm | You need about 1.5 ghz to get the most out good video cards. | May 20 00:58 |
| oiaohm | I guess you cannot duel core. | May 20 00:59 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: if I lose power, I'm hosed | May 20 00:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Novell’s Neighbour LANDesk is Up for Sale, More on Novell’s Defeat in Kuwait, Novell’s Payments to Microsoft http://ur1.ca/026xl | May 20 00:59 | |
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| cubezzz | well, I'll need an ASUS board oiaohm | May 20 00:59 |
| DaemonFC | anyway, it's a rental property, I had to twist the landlord's arm to install satellite TV | May 20 00:59 |
| cubezzz | for slot x2 and coreboot compatibility | May 20 00:59 |
| cubezzz | slot 1 x2 I mean | May 20 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | glad I did switch to satellite + DSL though | May 20 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | working much better than Comcast | May 20 01:00 |
| cubezzz | you switched to satellite for tv I assume? | May 20 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | May 20 01:00 |
| cubezzz | how much? | May 20 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: signals beamed down from space = more reliable than some coaxial cable running around town? | May 20 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | amazing isn't it? :P | May 20 01:01 |
| cubezzz | FTA would be even more amazing :) | May 20 01:01 |
| oiaohm | Our free to air | May 20 01:01 |
| cubezzz | but I knew you wouldn't go for that | May 20 01:01 |
| oiaohm | Is more dependable than our cable tv | May 20 01:01 |
| oiaohm | Reason why it has not gone far. | May 20 01:01 |
| cubezzz | I like UHF antenna the best so far | May 20 01:01 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Promo pricing right now leaves me paying $61 with tax included, that's for DirecTV Choice Xtra + an HD DVR + a regular HD box in the other room | May 20 01:02 |
| oiaohm | There are only two forms of pay tv in Australia | May 20 01:02 |
| oiaohm | That really go anywhere. | May 20 01:02 |
| oiaohm | Sat | May 20 01:02 |
| oiaohm | And wifi kind based. | May 20 01:02 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast was costing me about $68 a month for half the channels, one HD box with no DVR, and a lot of outages | May 20 01:02 |
| oiaohm | Ground cable bit don't work. | May 20 01:02 |
| DaemonFC | so I'd say DirecTV is better | May 20 01:02 |
| oiaohm | I have to get a PVR/DVR | May 20 01:03 |
| DaemonFC | the internet part is kind of a stalemate | May 20 01:03 |
| oiaohm | Because all our free to air stuff has gone dig. | May 20 01:03 |
| oiaohm | And at end of year the non dig turns off. | May 20 01:03 |
| DaemonFC | my internet "discount" for having the TV service brought it down to about $45 with tax | May 20 01:03 |
| DaemonFC | and $7 "modem rental" | May 20 01:03 |
| oiaohm | I don't pay for paytv | May 20 01:03 |
| DaemonFC | DSL is costing me probably around $50 with tax and I own the modem/router | May 20 01:04 |
| oiaohm | Reason 15 public channels. | May 20 01:04 |
| oiaohm | Plus what the ABC offers up free on line I don't have enough time to watch it all now. | May 20 01:04 |
| oiaohm | and most of our free to air also reoffers there programs on their websites. | May 20 01:05 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Mick Jagger on music and downloads - http://bit.ly/dbALjo "people only made money out of records for a very, very small time" | May 20 01:22 | |
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| DaemonFC | "Internet Explorer optimized for AT&T powered by Yahoo!" | May 20 01:26 |
| *DaemonFC vomits | May 20 01:26 | |
| schestowitz | http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2010/05/the-circles-no-more-strangers.html | May 20 01:27 |
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| schestowitz | jono_ is not feeling well | May 20 01:27 |
| schestowitz | Don't highlight him like that | May 20 01:27 |
| DaemonFC | didn't know | May 20 01:28 |
| DaemonFC | "The AT&T Yahoo! Browser will no longer be updated or supported. Your system will still have the Microsoft Internet Explorer browser installed, which you could continue to use to access the Internet. We recommend you follow the steps below to uninstall the AT&T Yahoo! Browser to ensure that you have the best surfing experience possible with a browser which can be regularly updated and supported." | May 20 01:28 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 20 01:28 |
| DaemonFC | AT&T Browser = IE underneath and a lot of ads and links to Yahoo stuff built in to the GUI | May 20 01:29 |
| schestowitz | http://gulfcoastspill.com/ | May 20 01:33 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: who would use it? | May 20 01:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.osor.eu/news/mt-government-starts-open-source-user-group | May 20 01:34 |
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| schestowitz | "can't we just get rid of TV altogether?" http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/14221623678 | May 20 01:36 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Their setup disc used to foist it on you | May 20 01:36 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, why not just use monitors? | May 20 01:36 |
| DaemonFC | without asking permission | May 20 01:36 |
| schestowitz | Oops. this: http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/14160877891 | May 20 01:37 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: They recommend Internet Explorer now | May 20 01:37 |
| DaemonFC | though they "support Firefox and Safari" | May 20 01:37 |
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| schestowitz | AT&T is nasty... not news | May 20 01:37 |
| DaemonFC | there's no mention of Chrome or Opera | May 20 01:37 |
| DaemonFC | and you get a nasty "at your own warning" message | May 20 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | unless you spood the UA for the site | May 20 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: They're a little less nasty than Comcast | May 20 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | and the only other real broadband option here | May 20 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | I've switched between cable and DSL a few times | May 20 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | just based on what was the easiest to get or which was slightly cheaper :P | May 20 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast surprised me in this area, when I lived in Muncie back in 2003/2004 I had Comcast and they weren't bad | May 20 01:40 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Do you want the expensive guys with mediocre service (AT&T) or the really expensive guys with godawful service (Comcast) is how it works here | May 20 01:41 |
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| schestowitz | Isn't Comcast the smaller one? | May 20 01:47 |
| schestowitz | 'underdog' to to say? | May 20 01:47 |
| schestowitz | *so | May 20 01:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Chinese-made jewellery for kids loaded with #cadmium? Who knew! http://bit.ly/8ZAqxg #china #greed #walmart #mileycyrus http://ff.im/kALXB | May 20 01:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Is it so hard to join the dots about #China? more profitable to make unsafe things, unsafely -poisoning themselves &... http://ff.im/kAN4a | May 20 01:58 | |
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| schestowitz | Coming at huntington, too | May 20 02:20 |
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| cubezzz | 160 gig hd should work on 32-bit linux yes? | May 20 02:49 |
| schestowitz | why wouldn't it? | May 20 02:50 |
| cubezzz | not sure, never tried it before | May 20 02:51 |
| cubezzz | eventually one reaches a 32-bit addressing limit | May 20 02:52 |
| cubezzz | but 160 gig is probably OK | May 20 02:52 |
| schestowitz | You don't need addressing | May 20 02:54 |
| schestowitz | It's not RAM | May 20 02:54 |
| schestowitz | I don't think you even need a special kernel to store perbytes | May 20 02:54 |
| schestowitz | *perabytes | May 20 02:54 |
| schestowitz | inodes | May 20 02:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/codeplex-hopes-walli-can-heal-breach-with-open-source/6518 | May 20 02:56 |
| schestowitz | "How big is the breach? Even though the Codexplex Foundation is not Microsoft, and Microsoft has repeated this fact ad nauseum, one of Walli’s first statements was that he “wasn’t going back to work” for Microsoft." | May 20 02:56 |
| schestowitz | haha | May 20 02:56 |
| Techrights | Title: Codeplex hopes Walli can heal breach with open source | ZDNet .::. Size~: 99.72 KB | May 20 02:56 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, A 32 bit word allows a linear address of two TERAbytes. | May 20 02:56 |
| schestowitz | he's 'only' being paid by them | May 20 02:56 |
| schestowitz | But 64-bit is OK | May 20 02:57 |
| schestowitz | You can also have partitions | May 20 02:57 |
| schestowitz | won't work with RAM | May 20 02:57 |
| cubezzz | that's true | May 20 02:57 |
| schestowitz | except swap | May 20 02:57 |
| cubezzz | there's some hd limit though | May 20 02:58 |
| cubezzz | maybe it's a partition limit | May 20 02:58 |
| cubezzz | I'm limited by 32-bit OS and IDE | May 20 02:59 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: yeah, in the kitchenette I tried to recall partition limit | May 20 03:00 |
| schestowitz | It increased | May 20 03:00 |
| cubezzz | "any ATA drive of capacity larger than 128 gigabytes must be an ATA-6 or later drive" | May 20 03:00 |
| cubezzz | so I would need ATA-6 at least | May 20 03:00 |
| schestowitz | And I think it's once of those things you can change when compiling | May 20 03:00 |
| cubezzz | I bet this board can't handle ATA-6 | May 20 03:01 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100518163209686 | May 20 03:01 |
| Techrights | Title: Groklaw - Psystar Files Its Appeal by Mail and a Notice of Filing Under Seal .::. Size~: 71.27 KB | May 20 03:01 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw wastes time again | May 20 03:02 |
| schestowitz | Defending Apple's gangsters, who have enough money for their own lawyers | May 20 03:02 |
| schestowitz | cya in the morn' | May 20 03:04 |
| cubezzz | "The sum of your Swap Memory + Physical Memory can exceed 32-bit on a 32- | May 20 03:06 |
| cubezzz | bit system. So you can have a total > 4 gigs available if you include | May 20 03:06 |
| cubezzz | swap memory. | May 20 03:06 |
| cubezzz | " | May 20 03:06 |
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| cubezzz | hmmm, maybe one of those ide-flash memory adapters would work | May 20 03:23 |
| WireWulf | true but too much swap can bog down your rig | May 20 03:24 |
| cubezzz | WireWulf, I'm close to finishing my 100% FOSS computer | May 20 03:25 |
| cubezzz | bios, video driver, everything is open source | May 20 03:25 |
| WireWulf | nice | May 20 03:25 |
| WireWulf | x86 doesnt limit your ram to 4GB tho | May 20 03:26 |
| WireWulf | cpu companies did that | May 20 03:26 |
| cubezzz | I always assumed it was due to the 32-bit address limit | May 20 03:28 |
| cubezzz | yeah, maybe they could have avoided it using segmented addressing | May 20 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | you still need a swap partition even with lots of RAM I believe | May 20 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | Linux uses it to store temp files or something I remember hearing | May 20 03:29 |
| cubezzz | I always use swap | May 20 03:29 |
| cubezzz | I only got 384 meg on this box | May 20 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | with 8 gigs of RAM I typically see it using 20-80 MB of swap | May 20 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | so it must need it for something | May 20 03:30 |
| cubezzz | I'm using 247536k of swap right now | May 20 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | How did Sliders end up in "Space travel TV shows"? | May 20 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | They didn't go into space, they used wormholes to travel uncontrollably between alternate Earths :P | May 20 03:34 |
| cubezzz | yeah I vaguely remember that show | May 20 03:34 |
| cubezzz | I guess wormholes count as "space" | May 20 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | the wormhole opening gadget couldn't lock onto any particular Earth, so they had to "slide" randomly, looking for our Earth | May 20 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 20 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | and they found it once but only had 1 minute until the next slide | May 20 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | so they left | May 20 03:36 |
| cubezzz | seems rather implausible :) | May 20 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | which part? | May 20 03:36 |
| cubezzz | the whole thing? :) | May 20 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | not really | May 20 03:36 |
| cubezzz | my next motherboard: Asus A8N-SLI | May 20 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | a multiverse isn't really that much crazier than the fact that our universe exists | May 20 03:37 |
| cubezzz | looks very promising | May 20 03:37 |
| cubezzz | there's no reason to believe in a multiverse, it's just hand waving | May 20 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | it would be interesting if there was an Earth without religion | May 20 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | and that's why their technology is 1,000 years more advanced than ours :) | May 20 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | (you can just drop me off there) | May 20 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | then there's the Earth where EVERYONE belongs to one of our "major" religions, and that's why they haven't advanced past the dark age | May 20 03:39 |
| cubezzz | now a universe before ours would be interesting | May 20 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | then there's the Earth where religion did lead everyone to nuke everyone | May 20 03:39 |
| cubezzz | I don't think that has been done as a show | May 20 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | and that Earth is a smoking radioactive shell | May 20 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | what makes you think our universe is the primary universe? | May 20 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | maybe we're in a mirror universe that broke off from the primary universe | May 20 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 20 03:40 |
| cubezzz | well universe is latin for "one verse" | May 20 03:40 |
| cubezzz | that means everything by definition | May 20 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | everything within this cell of existence | May 20 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | we're not occupying the same reality, therefore no other reality exists because it's not accessible to us | May 20 03:41 |
| cubezzz | we can't see anything beyond are light cone anyways | May 20 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | I mean "universe" as in everything in our existence | May 20 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | the theory of multiverse travel depends on a device that can punch through the wall of each existence | May 20 03:42 |
| cubezzz | hell, we can't even do manned interplanetary travel yet | May 20 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | thus allowing you to travel through a multiverse | May 20 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | true, but it may prove easier to move between realities | May 20 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | what if faster than light travel is not possible? | May 20 03:43 |
| cubezzz | that's pretty pie in the sky thinking :) | May 20 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | that really puts a crimp on any interstellar travel | May 20 03:43 |
| cubezzz | well, it isn't possible | May 20 03:43 |
| cubezzz | yeah | May 20 03:43 |
| cubezzz | can we do it, or anything even close to it? of course not | May 20 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | that's why both multiverse travel and faster than light travel are both just theory and sci-fi | May 20 03:44 |
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| DaemonFC | but what would be awesome is the ftl/multiverse/time travel combo drive | May 20 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | you could go anywhere, at any point in time, in any reality you chose | May 20 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | May 20 03:45 |
| cubezzz | that's Dr Who :) | May 20 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | pretty much, yeah | May 20 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: I may try Linux Mint 9 when there's the x64 edition out | May 20 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | maybe they unfucked Ubuntu | May 20 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | they seem to get things right where Ubuntu went horribly wrong | May 20 03:52 |
| WireWulf | GORRIBLY WRONG | May 20 03:53 |
| WireWulf | *HORRIBLY | May 20 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | I just wonder why I'm the only one in the world that noticed how hard it is to configure a webcam | May 20 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | in any Linux distribution, but with KDE especially | May 20 03:56 |
| DaemonFC | within GNOME, it becomes easy to use your webcam with Cheese, or even with Flash apps like Ustream | May 20 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | in KDE, it not only likes to mess up your camera settings to make it look like you're on the surface of the sun | May 20 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | then since most KDE distros don't have Pulseaudio set up or set up right, Flash apps can't use the embedded microphone :P | May 20 03:58 |
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| cubezzz | Asus ships the Eee PC 1201T with only its ExpressGate instant-on OS | May 20 04:22 |
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| DaemonFC | http://digg.com/d31RYxu | May 20 04:29 |
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| DaemonFC | IE will be under 50% by the end of Summer | May 20 04:37 |
| scientes | wheres the data recovery person? | May 20 04:53 |
| scientes | i mkfs.btrfsed over a ext3 partition | May 20 04:53 |
| scientes | and i need my files back | May 20 04:53 |
| scientes | oiahim? | May 20 04:53 |
| scientes | or MinceR ? | May 20 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | uhhhm | May 20 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | you radically altered an in place file system with a very experimental file system | May 20 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | and didn't do backups first? | May 20 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 20 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | gawd I hate this On Demand over the internet crap | May 20 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | score 1 for Comcast I guess | May 20 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | their On Demand movies start when you hit the button | May 20 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | I've been downloading an On Demand movie for 30 minutes and it's 20% done | May 20 04:59 |
| amarsh04 | scientes, make sure that the partition isn't mounted writeable, and look at ext3grep and photorec | May 20 05:03 |
| amarsh04 | ext3grep saved some data for me once, and photorec recovered some photos that a friend had deleted (but not overwritten) from an sdcard | May 20 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | amarsh04: I think he means he botched the conversion and he now has a new, empty, btrfs partition instead | May 20 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | I won't likely even think about btrfs until it's at least beta quality | May 20 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | file system bugs manage to regularly crop up for years after the file system is deemed "stable" | May 20 05:05 |
| amarsh04 | ouch DaemonFC... as the local radio show hosts say, the first three rules of computers are backup, backup and backup | May 20 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | and btrfs is more complex than anything else on Linux to date | May 20 05:06 |
| amarsh04 | even ext2/ext3 have had versioning issues that the GRUB folk discover along the way | May 20 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | ext4 was having serious problems for well over a year after it was "stable" | May 20 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | minor (usually) xfs and ext2/3 bugs still get patches regularly | May 20 05:07 |
| *amarsh04 has data=ordered on his main ext3 partitions | May 20 05:07 | |
| DaemonFC | I use XFS | May 20 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | bunch of options tweaked for better performance on small files | May 20 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | it's served me well for years | May 20 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | it's not really geared for thousands of small file operations (hurts the most when you batch delete them) | May 20 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | but it's good with medium sized files | May 20 05:08 |
| amarsh04 | actually one of the best features of Novell's Unixware was having vxfs right from the beginning ie 1992-1993 | May 20 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | and blows even ext4 away with massive files | May 20 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | I tend to throw around massive files quite often | May 20 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | xfs doesn't really shine until you're dealing with files >100 MB or so | May 20 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | people that run benchmarks to test all around performance won't like what they see when it comes to small files | May 20 05:10 |
| amarsh04 | I sometimes download 200 MiB video files, but haven't done anything with larger files lately | May 20 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | XFS also has a good strong point for security | May 20 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | when you delete a file, it's gone | May 20 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 20 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | when you shred a file, you know it's gone | May 20 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | with ext3, you never know | May 20 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | of course it makes snooping harder, but you better make sure you really want to delete something :D | May 20 05:11 |
| amarsh04 | I'd prefer the opposite, by default files are recoverable with the least recently used being overwritten | May 20 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | overall I like XFS, but it's got some limitations where it's better for certain use cases | May 20 05:12 |
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| amarsh04 | there was an old HP machine I worked on that was like that | May 20 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | I think btrfs wants to address that problem | May 20 05:12 |
| amarsh04 | lots of fault injection needed for testing filesystems (both at hardware and software level) | May 20 05:14 |
| amarsh04 | anyway, I'll be back later... | May 20 05:15 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @torontoist This, too? RT @globetoronto: CN Tower to close during #G20 http://bit.ly/dpoZ2p //welcome to #Harper's paranoid theatre | May 20 05:42 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@heyamberrae What sites do you go to for #creativity, #inspiration and/or #photography? // definitely #flickr first :) | May 20 05:51 | |
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| MinceR | r4wr | May 20 06:36 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is now saying IE9 will support VP8 if you have a codec installed for it | May 20 06:38 |
| DaemonFC | and hinting that there are patent problems with VP8 | May 20 06:38 |
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| yuhong | Silverlight just lost another customer to HTML5: | May 20 07:00 |
| yuhong | http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/19/netflix-html5/ | May 20 07:00 |
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| MinceR | http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7128562.ece | May 20 07:03 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@ednamessick WOW! @WSJ: Cyclist Landis admits doping&alleges use by Lance Armstrong,others http://on.wsj.com/9JBvNo /seems like v.old news | May 20 07:21 | |
| Techrights | Title: Cyclist Floyd Landis Admits Doping, Alleges Use by Armstrong and Others - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 127.49 KB | May 20 07:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@tehranweekly #US is gonna to end up overpopulated ... needs to buy mexico // how is that a solution, exactly?! #overpopulation | May 20 07:22 | |
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| MinceR | so it can be overpopulated together with mexico :> | May 20 07:35 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'environmentally induced #cancer has been grossly underestimated' ecologist battles cancer while studying its causes http://bit.ly/dCdVt6 | May 20 07:47 | |
| Techrights | Title: Porter: Ecologist Sandra Steingraber is the Rachel Carson of the new millennium - thestar.com .::. Size~: 68.4 KB | May 20 07:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Public web sites still mandate #Microsoft products u don't want or need, to use them http://advogato.org/person/dkg/diary/33.html #nyc #syep | May 20 08:09 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] And now for your moment of Zen: The worst article on the net about Google's release of VP8 http://ur1.ca/028xf | May 20 08:21 | |
| Techrights | Title: Google fills HTML5 video hole - SD Times: Software Development News .::. Size~: 124.15 KB | May 20 08:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @FOSSpatents The risk concerning WebM isn't a matter of Google's own patents. What about third-party patents? #patent #swpat #codecs | May 20 08:24 | |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/32757929#notice-32891882 @schestowitz we should adopt webM and adopt it everywhere. Don't be afraid of patent threats. | May 20 08:26 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @qu1j0t3 Public sites still mandate #Microsoft products u don't want or need, to use them http://advogato.org/person/dkg/diary/33.html | May 20 08:38 | |
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| schestowitz | I like this poster: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/may/17/technology-links-newsbucket | May 20 08:54 |
| Techrights | Title: The Technology newsbucket: a Facebook rival, Conficker in depth, screens and sleep, and Jobs on email | Technology | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 78.28 KB | May 20 08:54 |
| schestowitz | there is some rogue bot hammering the server again as "Java/1.6.0_20" | May 20 08:56 |
| schestowitz | load average: 13.86, 13.18, 9.94 | May 20 08:56 |
| schestowitz | Bastards | May 20 08:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.daniweb.com/news/story284268.html | May 20 09:13 |
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| schestowitz | "As was stated in the third post, IT'S STILL THERE, PEOPLE. I just verified that it's right where he says it is." | May 20 09:13 |
| schestowitz | Flase amarm | May 20 09:13 |
| schestowitz | *alarm | May 20 09:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] WebM's royalty-free HTML5 video raises patent issues http://ur1.ca/0296q Use declarations of non-infringement now! | May 20 09:16 | |
| Techrights | Title: WebM's royalty-free HTML5 video raises patent issues | Electronista .::. Size~: 79.13 KB | May 20 09:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Improving the performance of computer system is a technical problem: http://ur1.ca/0298i | May 20 09:20 | |
| Techrights | Title: German Supreme Court on Patents on Computer-Implemented Inventions - BLOG@IPJUR.COM .::. Size~: 50.35 KB | May 20 09:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I've been very happy with minirok after one week of use. If you want a lighter amarok, give it a go. http://ur1.ca/0299h #kde | May 20 09:23 | |
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| schestowitz | Black Duck again.... v | May 20 09:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/healthcare/open-source-health-it-goes-well-beyond-vista/3654 | May 20 09:26 |
| Techrights | Title: Open source health IT goes well beyond VistA | ZDNet .::. Size~: 90.85 KB | May 20 09:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/may/18/facebook-privacy | May 20 09:28 |
| Techrights | Title: The trouble with Facebook | Dan Kennedy | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 182.06 KB | May 20 09:28 |
| schestowitz | http://news.northxsouth.com/2010/05/16/brazil-free-software-growing/ | May 20 09:29 |
| Techrights | Title: Brazil: commercial adoption of free software continues to grow : northxsouth : free software news from latin america .::. Size~: 22.12 KB | May 20 09:29 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: http://newteevee.com/2010/05/18/flash-co-creator-apple-is-destroying-the-open-web/?utm_source=newteevee&utm_medium=recent-posts | May 20 09:38 |
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| schestowitz | "However, Gay is skeptical that Google’s plans to open-source its VP8 video codec will be able to fundamentally change this situation, cautioning that it may be impossible to build open-source codecs that don’t infringe on someone’s patents." | May 20 09:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | hjes kind of right | May 20 09:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres so many bullshit patents that it may not be possible | May 20 09:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | but thats the patent system's problem, not google's | May 20 09:39 |
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| schestowitz | Is Firefox Headed Towards A Massive Decline? Its Co-Founder Thinks So http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/18/future-of-firefox/ | May 20 10:18 |
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| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: yes, this is why FFII does important work | May 20 10:18 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: http://opensource.com/law/10/5/fighting-patent-aggression-open-source-way | May 20 10:23 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: also http://blogs.fsfe.org/adridg/?p=869 | May 20 10:29 |
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| zoobab | pong | May 20 10:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: UK "We will create level playing field for open-source" http://bit.ly/9qaISC they said it again: time for action | May 20 10:39 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @vinaysreenivasa: RT @tweetesh: Brilliant!! RT @satishacharya Lalit Modi's epic reply! My Midday cartoon http://bit.ly/9UbEXM | May 20 10:39 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @techdirt: And Now Pakistan Bans YouTube Again... Let's Hope It Doesn't Take Down Half The Internet This Time http://dlvr.it/15XqW | May 20 10:44 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/05/19/IO-interview-2 | May 20 10:45 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @abhishekmadan: Pak ban of FB is obvsly a USploy. Dey wnt 2 track Osama. If thr's no recnt activty on his profile, dey know he is in pak | May 20 10:48 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] True!! RT @nikhilnarayanan: Govt. of Kerala should ban Youtube. That Silsila album can't go this viral. Sigh. http://bit.ly/aYT9Cf | May 20 10:56 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/SouthEast-LinuxFest-2010/ | May 20 11:13 |
| schestowitz | " | May 20 11:13 |
| schestowitz | # | May 20 11:13 |
| schestowitz | # Keith Bergelt -- Bergelt is the CEO of Open Invention Network (OIN), an advocacy group for open source and Linux software. | May 20 11:13 |
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| schestowitz | " | May 20 11:13 |
| schestowitz | More like an advocacy group for "good" software patents | May 20 11:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] On Ubuntu, exactly _which_ partitions _must_ be available early during boot if you have separate /root,/var,/opt,/usr,/opt,/tmp? | May 20 11:17 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @glynmoody: UK Govt:"We will create a level playing field 4 open-source software"- http://bit.ly/9qaISC they said it again: time 4 action | May 20 11:21 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1hTZopwvuA | May 20 11:27 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] FFII: Neelie Kroes' Digital Agenda is 'carrot without stick', Neelie, give us the names of the lobbyists http://ur1.ca/029vw | May 20 11:42 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Dr. Fritz Sennheiser, audio pioneer, dies at 98 http://ur1.ca/02a28 I and my Sennheiser HD-280 headset salute him | May 20 12:17 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] New blog post: More Legal Shenanigans In Britain - Which? vs ACS:LAW “The UNUSUAL suspects” http://bit.ly/9Ye5tq | May 20 12:44 | |
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| schestowitz | This is a great video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5QXZ0__8VU | May 20 13:31 |
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| schestowitz | Great channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/NonStampCollector | May 20 13:47 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] gr8. RT @joshinaa: Bye bye #flash & #mp4 . #VP8 codec opened . BSD like licence http://bit.ly/9KV2bC #openweb #webm | May 20 13:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] IRC based meeting at 16:00 UTC today about #ubuntu community website branding http://bit.ly/azltWz http://bit.ly/c6DXue http://bit.ly/aJOsjb | May 20 15:05 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] La Quadrature du Net and the #FFII (EU) Respond to the European Commission’s Digital Agenda http://ur1.ca/02auu verdict: it's not good. #eu | May 20 15:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Finally we had a great live telecast on FOSS tools on Chemistry on todays episode. #foss #ncret next is maths application | May 20 15:31 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Seriously, @htc http://bit.ly/9SKNhq deleting data on phone updates is failure. You're making Android look like a big joke. | May 20 15:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] It time to go back to your schools with SchoolOS/Ubuntu/Fedora #foss #advocacy http://post.ly/gjGE | May 20 15:48 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Propaganda in #Africa Curses the Whole Population http://ur1.ca/02b59 #intellectualmonopoly #bsa | May 20 16:05 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.osnews.com/story/23323/Microsoft_Internet_Explorer_9_To_Support_VP8 Now this looks like html 5 can now take off. | May 20 16:18 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Furstated from Tata indicom services. Shifting Internet to new location sucks. You #sucks. #fail #bullshit #wannakillyou | May 20 16:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Good morning, friends! How are things with you all today? | May 20 16:28 | |
| schestowitz | Hmmm... http://techright.com/ | May 20 16:31 |
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| schestowitz | There's no .org one | May 20 16:31 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, I'm writing about this right now | May 20 16:31 |
| schestowitz | I'll add your ref to what I already have | May 20 16:32 |
| oiaohm | Don't forget that MS basically does not have a option. schestowitz | May 20 16:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] @jonobacon Still no ubuflu here! Looks like I managed to avoid it! | May 20 16:32 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, YouTube and all | May 20 16:32 |
| schestowitz | IE would die without support | May 20 16:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] lol lol lol #hahahaha Tiger leader demands caste wise break up of 1411 tigers left http://bit.ly/c2QBR3 | May 20 16:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Techrights Welcomes Google’s WebM/VP8 Push http://techrights.org/2010/05/20/vp8-victory/ analysis with loads of links | May 20 16:58 | |
| schestowitz | bbl | May 20 16:58 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Patents Roundup: Novell’s and Apple’s Latest Software Patents, Ruling in Germany, and Harms to Software Freedom http://ur1.ca/02bld | May 20 17:21 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Watching Lucene reindex one of our sites. It's paint drying for the modern age. | May 20 17:24 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Getting some what rageful with Tomboy notes sync with ubuntu one. | May 20 17:25 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] New blog post: Nina Paley Has A Wonderful Cartoon About DRM I'd Like To Share With You Thanks To Her Permission http://bit.ly/caBqBB | May 20 17:25 | |
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| cubezzz | why are people even talking about Doze? | May 20 17:43 |
| cubezzz | I got to blame the OEMs here | May 20 17:43 |
| cubezzz | ok, I spent probably 6 months thinking about building the FOSS box | May 20 17:45 |
| cubezzz | and it was a pain, but I learned a lot | May 20 17:45 |
| cubezzz | and the coreboot guys are very helpful | May 20 17:46 |
| cubezzz | development is really progressing nicely | May 20 17:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @LLiu: Blogged: Recommended Reading: The Art of Community (book by @jonobacon) - http://wp.me/pRbgO-1X | May 20 17:58 | |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm, Comedy Central has a contract for 26 new half hour episodes of Futurama | May 20 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | nice | May 20 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | I am Bender, please insert girder baby!!! | May 20 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 20 18:31 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Pretty sure Count Arthur Strong never used to have a studio audience laugh track. Utterly ruins it IMO #bbc #radio4 | May 20 19:04 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Wheee updating Android SDK to 2.2 | May 20 19:18 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Look Ma, No Flash #spiderman http://www.optimum7.com/css3-man/animation.html #css3 | May 20 20:32 | |
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| ender2070 | do you guys still hate Google? | May 20 20:36 |
| cubezzz | huh? no | May 20 20:40 |
| cubezzz | why would I hate google? | May 20 20:41 |
| MinceR | i'll wait until they make the html5 version of youtube use vp8 | May 20 20:41 |
| cubezzz | much better companies to hate anyway | May 20 20:44 |
| cubezzz | the good (mostly): ASUS, Tyan, Intel | May 20 20:45 |
| cubezzz | the bad: Novell, Microsoft, Samsung | May 20 20:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Can anybody tell me how the web will looks at 2020. What will be the new standards. #web #future | May 20 20:46 | |
| cubezzz | and Amiga was the best of all of them | May 20 20:46 |
| MinceR | there's more than one unethical company | May 20 20:46 |
| MinceR | also, google will remain a threat to our privacy | May 20 20:46 |
| MinceR | their webapps continue to erode web standards | May 20 20:47 |
| MinceR | google earth continues to suck so much it should be called google blackhole instead | May 20 20:47 |
| cubezzz | I''ll take Google over Microsoft any day :) | May 20 20:48 |
| MinceR | i prefer google to m$ too | May 20 20:48 |
| ender2070 | Mincer - they already did | May 20 20:52 |
| ender2070 | http://www.webmproject.org/users/ | May 20 20:54 |
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| ender2070 | Download and install a supported browser (listed below). | May 20 20:55 |
| ender2070 | Start the newly installed browser. | May 20 20:55 |
| ender2070 | Go to www.youtube.com/html5 and enroll in the YouTube HTML5 experiment. | May 20 20:55 |
| ender2070 | Search for a video by keyword. For example, trailers. | May 20 20:55 |
| ender2070 | In the browser’s address bar, add &webm=1 to the end of the URL. For example, http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=trailers&aq=f&webm=1. | May 20 20:55 |
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| ender2070 | Press Enter. | May 20 20:55 |
| ender2070 | In the list of videos that appears, click any of the links. | May 20 20:55 |
| ender2070 | The video will play in your browser and display HTML5 webm in the toolbar of the video player. | May 20 20:55 |
| ender2070 | bam | May 20 20:55 |
| ender2070 | webm = vp8 | May 20 20:56 |
| MinceR | ic | May 20 20:57 |
| MinceR | thx for the explanation | May 20 20:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Most of the team now has their blueprints and work items all set for Maverick. Nearly there! :-) | May 20 21:08 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] watching - Prometeus - The Media Revolution http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj8ZadKgdC0 | May 20 21:09 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ...of course, the cat knew all about my blueprints, he knows all http://is.gd/chUmY | May 20 21:10 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Watching Robert Peston on HIGNFY makes me think of @gdb_ | May 20 21:26 | |
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| MinceR | May 20 21:29 | |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: | May 20 21:38 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: | May 20 21:39 |
| ender2070 | lol | May 20 21:41 |
| MinceR | rotfl | May 20 21:42 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: | May 20 21:52 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: | May 20 21:52 |
| sebsebseb | :D | May 20 21:52 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: | May 20 21:52 |
| MinceR | ^_^ | May 20 21:52 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: | May 20 21:52 |
| sebsebseb | :) | May 20 21:52 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: | May 20 21:52 |
| MinceR | :D | May 20 21:52 |
| sebsebseb | we could do this nearly all night? | May 20 21:52 |
| sebsebseb | would get boring | May 20 21:53 |
| MinceR | it would | May 20 21:53 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: | May 20 21:53 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: | May 20 21:55 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: | May 20 21:55 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: | May 20 21:55 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: | May 20 21:55 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: | May 20 21:55 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: | May 20 21:55 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: | May 20 21:55 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: | May 20 21:55 |
| MinceR | also, my sleep would certainly interrupt it | May 20 21:55 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: | May 20 21:55 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: 1 | May 20 21:55 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: 2 | May 20 21:55 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: 3 | May 20 21:55 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: 4 | May 20 21:55 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: 5 | May 20 21:56 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: 6 | May 20 21:56 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: 7 | May 20 21:56 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: 8 | May 20 21:56 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: 9 | May 20 21:56 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: 10 | May 20 21:56 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: 11 | May 20 21:56 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: 12 | May 20 21:56 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: A | May 20 21:56 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: B | May 20 21:57 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: C | May 20 21:57 |
| ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a46hJYtsP-8 | May 20 21:57 |
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| sebsebseb | D | May 20 21:57 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: E | May 20 21:57 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: F | May 20 21:57 |
| sebsebseb | G | May 20 21:57 |
| MinceR | H | May 20 21:57 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I | May 20 21:57 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: J | May 20 21:58 |
| sebsebseb | K | May 20 21:58 |
| MinceR | L | May 20 21:58 |
| sebsebseb | M for MinceR | May 20 21:58 |
| MinceR | N for sebsebseb :> | May 20 21:58 |
| sebsebseb | no that's S | May 20 21:58 |
| MinceR | but it's for you | May 20 21:58 |
| sebsebseb | like E was for ender2070 hence why I did the E @ him | May 20 21:59 |
| sebsebseb | N | May 20 21:59 |
| sebsebseb | O | May 20 21:59 |
| sebsebseb | P | May 20 21:59 |
| sebsebseb | Q | May 20 21:59 |
| MinceR | R | May 20 21:59 |
| ender2070 | what are you guys smoking? | May 20 21:59 |
| sebsebseb | S for schestowitz and sebsebseb | May 20 21:59 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: nothing | May 20 22:00 |
| sebsebseb | T for Techrights | May 20 22:00 |
| *MinceR achieved this state of mind without narcotics | May 20 22:00 | |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: :D | May 20 22:00 |
| MinceR | U for you! | May 20 22:00 |
| sebsebseb | thats Y really, but people wil use U instead of You | May 20 22:00 |
| sebsebseb | V | May 20 22:01 |
| sebsebseb | three letters left in the English alphabet, but not in other languages | May 20 22:01 |
| ender2070 | V for Vendetta | May 20 22:01 |
| MinceR | W | May 20 22:01 |
| sebsebseb | X | May 20 22:02 |
| MinceR | Y for why | May 20 22:02 |
| sebsebseb | no thats W | May 20 22:02 |
| MinceR | ^_^ | May 20 22:02 |
| sebsebseb | altough yeah Y sounds a bit like Why | May 20 22:02 |
| ender2070 | ttyl guys | May 20 22:02 |
| MinceR | a bit? :> | May 20 22:02 |
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| sebsebseb | and Z for Zebra | May 20 22:02 |
| MinceR | look what you've done -- you've scared ender2070 away :> | May 20 22:03 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: maybe | May 20 22:03 |
| sebsebseb | ,but ah well, if thats the case | May 20 22:03 |
| sebsebseb | and Ä Å Ö | May 20 22:04 |
| sebsebseb | or however the Swedish alphabet goes | May 20 22:04 |
| MinceR | are you swedish? :) | May 20 22:05 |
| sebsebseb | half Swedish | May 20 22:05 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: | May 20 22:07 |
| MinceR | May 20 22:07 | |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: | May 20 22:08 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: | May 20 22:08 |
| sebsebseb | May 20 22:08 | |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: | May 20 22:09 |
| sebsebseb | May 20 22:09 | |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: | May 20 22:09 |
| ThistleWeb | anyone else see a love story starting to develop? | May 20 22:12 |
| MinceR | nope | May 20 22:12 |
| sebsebseb | nope | May 20 22:12 |
| ThistleWeb | as 2 star crossed IRC'rs give each other knowing looks | May 20 22:12 |
| ThistleWeb | rofl | May 20 22:12 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: if you want to start a love story though uhmm | May 20 22:12 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | May 20 22:12 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb was on IRC, trying to chat up some girl in a channel | May 20 22:12 |
| sebsebseb | as 2 cross IRC users gave him an angry look | May 20 22:13 |
| ThistleWeb | for some reason I pictured Mr Potato Head there "quick, put in your angry eyes" | May 20 22:13 |
| sebsebseb | and then he lost his Internet connection, to never have contact with the girl again | May 20 22:14 |
| sebsebseb | The End! | May 20 22:14 |
| ThistleWeb | no subplots? | May 20 22:15 |
| ThistleWeb | aww | May 20 22:15 |
| ThistleWeb | no sense of humour either | May 20 22:15 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: could be fun to do this though, the three of us, yes you as well MinceR | May 20 22:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] The right to strike in the UK has thankfully not been extinguished. Stay aware everyone or your rights will be sold out beneath your feet. | May 20 22:15 | |
| ThistleWeb | still, can't have everything | May 20 22:15 |
| MinceR | for a while | May 20 22:15 |
| sebsebseb | used to do this kind of thing back at school if I remember correctly | May 20 22:15 |
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| sebsebseb | lines of a story | May 20 22:15 |
| sebsebseb | so start a story guys if you want | May 20 22:16 |
| ThistleWeb | have fun | May 20 22:16 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: have fun? | May 20 22:17 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah, go for it if ya want. I'm not interested but go for it | May 20 22:17 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: yeah I am not really wanting to do this either much | May 20 22:17 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | May 20 22:18 |
| ThistleWeb | when its spontanious it works | May 20 22:18 |
| ThistleWeb | sorta | May 20 22:18 |
| ThistleWeb | but when it's a planned activity, all the fun is sapped away | May 20 22:18 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] The truth about BP's oil spill http://ur1.ca/02dkz !science | May 20 22:42 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @mind_booster: A SPA agora tem um programa na RTP2? http://ff.im/kEAxL | May 20 23:07 | |
| Techrights | Title: A SPA agora tem um programa na RTP2? - Marcos Marado - FriendFeed .::. Size~: 7.75 KB | May 20 23:07 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] E amanhã, a ver se é o início de um caso à lá "Ernie Ball"... *g* | May 20 23:10 | |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/spuiE.jpg | May 20 23:15 |
| Techrights | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | May 20 23:15 |
| MinceR | gn | May 20 23:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Hmm, Android 2.2 in the SDK doesn't seem to be able to play OGV video files. | May 20 23:22 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Ik denk dat GL wederom een kleine linkse partij gaat worden, zelfs ik wil niet meer op ze stemmen :-( | May 20 23:48 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Heb vanaf mijn 18-e op PSP -> GL gestemd. Nu Piratenpartij :-p | May 20 23:49 | |
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