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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Interesting. ACPO chief appears to call for a national police force. | May 25 00:00 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] ACPO chief I think wants the best of both worlds here. National advantages and the same local practices. | May 25 00:03 | |
| DaemonFC | I've smoked | May 25 00:04 |
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| DaemonFC | gave it up | May 25 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | caffeine is worse | May 25 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | as far as the addiction goes anyway | May 25 00:05 |
| MinceR | gn | May 25 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | hmm, I see the "Centre" spelling stuck in 10.04 | May 25 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | or maybe it spells it "Center" if you have en_us | May 25 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 25 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | that's what drives me nuts about things defaulting to en_uk | May 25 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | it's buzzing mosquitos that you can't swat annoying | May 25 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I noticed that AT&T doesn't have the best DNS lookup servers | May 25 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | every once in a while I get a site not found error in my browser and hitting F5 brings the page up :P | May 25 00:22 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Fed up with Facebook privacy talk....I was looking for an excuse to remove my account and did so a week ago. #facebook #fail | May 25 00:48 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] They've had a chance with the ball, now how about for a more "open" replacement to Facebook. #facebook #fail | May 25 00:49 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] From reading comments around the Net, if I owned Facebook and Microsoft were still offering to buy, I'd get rid now before its too late. | May 25 00:51 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: use opndns? | May 25 00:53 |
| schestowitz | The Internet God now rivals OpenDNS wiuth 8.8.4.4 IIRC | May 25 00:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The Times abandons the field to the Guardian and the BBC. http://bit.ly/97OwtM | May 25 01:02 | |
| Techrights | Title: News | The Times .::. Size~: 63.99 KB | May 25 01:02 |
| DaemonFC | what's the best duster for an LCD TV? | May 25 01:03 |
| DaemonFC | seems like everything I try makes it worse or gets rid of the dust and leaves smudges | May 25 01:03 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 25 01:03 |
| DaemonFC | quick run to Walmart :P | May 25 01:04 |
| DaemonFC | or maybe dollar general, they're closer :P | May 25 01:07 |
| DaemonFC | and not Walmart | May 25 01:07 |
| DaemonFC | brb | May 25 01:07 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] I betcha #BP employees are frantically operating paper shredders to deal with endless gusher of incriminating documents. #enron #oil #energy | May 25 01:16 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] I betcha #BP urgently contemplating another re-brand. Suggestion: "Rand Energy". #oil #energy #greenwashing | May 25 01:17 | |
| amarsh04 | http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2010/s2905618.htm | May 25 01:20 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@sigurarm History of #Adobe #Illustrator : http://is.gd/cnC3U //not very deep. who cares about branding+platform parity? (user since 1.0b1) | May 25 01:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@sigurarm History of #Adobe #Illustrator : http://is.gd/cnC3U //1.x:first tool for #PostScript primitives; '88 desktop colour seps+#PANTONE | May 25 01:31 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @scottros: MediaBugs' Mark Follman describes what it takes to get through to AP to correct an error http://is.gd/cnNmx #wikipedia | May 25 01:31 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @ishtarmuz Conflict of Interest: Ex Monsanto Lawyer Clarence Thomas to Hear #Monsanto Case http://tinyurl.com/3vvmwh //=business as usual | May 25 01:40 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@tomcoates Times is now behind pay wall. every1's expecting this to end badly,right? /anything that helps bury #Murdoch is worth applauding | May 25 01:46 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Apple Market Cap Just $5 Billion Behind Microsoft - http://link.businessinsider.com/view/dmu.bsl/379b56bf #microsoft #apple #mvp #fail | May 25 01:48 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Before #Facebook played fast and loose with your personal data, there was #Google. http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/05/24/195208 | May 25 01:51 | |
| Techrights | Title: Slashdot | Why Online Privacy Is Broken .::. Size~: 158.74 KB | May 25 01:51 |
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| yuhong | http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/05/03/apple-can-we-stop-with-the-magical-already/ | May 25 02:05 |
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| yuhong | About the iPad being called magical. | May 25 02:05 |
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| DaemonFC | that electrostatic duster works pretty well | May 25 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | I spent 3 hours cleaning :P | May 25 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | still not close to done | May 25 03:35 |
| ender2070 | when did goblin turn into an idiot | May 25 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | what did he do? | May 25 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | I missed it | May 25 03:36 |
| ender2070 | http://www.twitter.com/_goblin | May 25 03:37 |
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| DaemonFC | which of those in particular? | May 25 03:37 |
| ender2070 | http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=18#comment-56 | May 25 03:38 |
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| ender2070 | his stuff with stonemirror (lefty) | May 25 03:38 |
| ender2070 | and on my site, his stuff regarding astralknight | May 25 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | RMS working in a Microsoft Store, lol | May 25 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | that's a thought | May 25 03:39 |
| ender2070 | http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=31#comment-65 | May 25 03:40 |
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| ender2070 | i was looking for that one | May 25 03:40 |
| ender2070 | accusations | May 25 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | accusaing you of being that guy? | May 25 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | why does he care if you're schizo and talking to yourself? | May 25 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 25 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: I've got one for you | May 25 03:43 |
| ender2070 | lol | May 25 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | why are there two drivers for ATI cards on Linux? | May 25 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | So you can have two that half work in opposite ways | May 25 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 25 03:43 |
| ender2070 | two drivers? | May 25 03:43 |
| ender2070 | oh lol | May 25 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | it's so frustrating | May 25 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | if ATI can't fix FGLRX, they should end it and retask their employees towards the open source driver | May 25 03:44 |
| ender2070 | meanwhile nouveau keeps getting better | May 25 03:45 |
| ender2070 | eventually i'll be able to replace the proprietary drivers on my notebook | May 25 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | my cat just killed a 2 inch long earwig | May 25 03:45 |
| *DaemonFC shivers then goes to find the cat treats | May 25 03:45 | |
| DaemonFC | the open source ATI driver itself is good | May 25 03:47 |
| DaemonFC | it's just that it relies on Mesa/Gallium3d which are not good | May 25 03:47 |
| DaemonFC | slow 3d that's only feature-parity with OpenGL circa early 2006 | May 25 03:47 |
| DaemonFC | the driver itself has fast 2d acceleration, good KMS support, and uses less power | May 25 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | Gallium3d is where it's crippled | May 25 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | seems like they're really only working on old cards | May 25 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | the really obsolete ones | May 25 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | I think I might get one of those make your own beer kits | May 25 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | for the hell of it | May 25 03:54 |
| ender2070 | gallium3d is where everything is moving | May 25 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't seem like it | May 25 03:55 |
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| DaemonFC | still only supports OpenGL 2.0 on my card | May 25 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | even Sauerbraten hates it | May 25 03:56 |
| DaemonFC | the card supports up to OpenGL 3.2 natively | May 25 03:56 |
| DaemonFC | in hardware | May 25 03:56 |
| ender2070 | sauerbraten sucks | May 25 03:56 |
| DaemonFC | my point was most native games hate it | May 25 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | forget Windows games on Wine | May 25 03:58 |
| ender2070 | game developers hate new stuff | May 25 03:58 |
| ender2070 | they especially hate new libraries | May 25 03:58 |
| ender2070 | and people who update them | May 25 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | ATI has been giving Microsoft a reach around lately | May 25 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | "Zomg!!111 Windows 7 DirectX 11, rofl!!!!" | May 25 03:59 |
| ender2070 | lol | May 25 03:59 |
| ender2070 | or non existant versions | May 25 04:00 |
| ender2070 | "DIRECTX 11.2, WE ARE BETTER!!!!11111!11" | May 25 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 27 will have DirectX 73 Orange edition | May 25 04:01 |
| DaemonFC | it's fucking radioactive! | May 25 04:01 |
| ender2070 | LOL | May 25 04:01 |
| ender2070 | WINDOWS 8!!!!! 128-BIT CPU SUPPORT!!!!! OMGZZZ | May 25 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | It can power hookerbots even with the new tesselation version 12 | May 25 04:02 |
| ender2070 | Home Premium - 16TB ram limit | May 25 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | fake limit | May 25 04:02 |
| ender2070 | obviously | May 25 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | not a limit of the hardware | May 25 04:02 |
| ender2070 | they are ALL fake limits in win7 | May 25 04:02 |
| ender2070 | 64-bit goes up to 16TB of ram | May 25 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | thye limits are imposed so you can't run it as a cheap server or something | May 25 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | *the | May 25 04:03 |
| ender2070 | well thats stupid of microsoft | May 25 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | I tried running Windows 2008 R2 just for the hell of it, but every time you go to do something, there's a registry key you have to toggle, then reboot | May 25 04:04 |
| ender2070 | because you can run a cheap server with linux and no ram limit | May 25 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | even sound is disabled by default | May 25 04:04 |
| ender2070 | windows is only on less than 30% of the servers out there | May 25 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | then with some things, you have to rip dll's straight out of Windows 7 | May 25 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | or else the program won't run | May 25 04:04 |
| ender2070 | ah | May 25 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | Example: Fallout 3 has to see that the Games Explorer dlls are there, even though Games Explorer is fucking stupid | May 25 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | or else it bails | May 25 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 25 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 2008/R2 does not have Games Explorer because it's not really meant to play games | May 25 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | So...., you have to find the dlls to slap in Windows/System32, even though you still don't have Games Explorer, to make the stupid game happy | May 25 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: The one killer feature of Windows Server is that it won't let IE browse most the web, for your safety | May 25 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 25 04:08 |
| ender2070 | it knows | May 25 04:08 |
| ender2070 | lol | May 25 04:08 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - the fallout 3 issues have to deal with the games for windows bullshit | May 25 04:09 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, it's more bullshit to get in your way if you're not running it on Windows | May 25 04:09 |
| DaemonFC | I used Vista and Windows 7 for years before I even knew there was a Games Explorer | May 25 04:09 |
| DaemonFC | it's such a non-feature I didn't even notice it | May 25 04:09 |
| DaemonFC | and I still don't use it | May 25 04:10 |
| ender2070 | im starting to get pissed at C&C4 | May 25 04:10 |
| ender2070 | the good: no cripping drm | May 25 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, I got an idea | May 25 04:11 |
| ender2070 | the bad: requires a constant internet connection | May 25 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | I might wrest that TV tuner card from my old dead PC | May 25 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | and use that splitter left over from when I had cable | May 25 04:11 |
| ender2070 | everything about the game uses your online profile, for saved games, stats and character level + abilities | May 25 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | anything EA releases lately is crap | May 25 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | and it's crap even if the game is good | May 25 04:12 |
| ender2070 | the internet went out in the middle of a battle and i had to beat that level all over again | May 25 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | because of their overbearing DRM | May 25 04:12 |
| ender2070 | its not really DRM in this case | May 25 04:12 |
| ender2070 | it doesnt install anything to verify my software is real | May 25 04:12 |
| ender2070 | in this case the drm was just a serial number linked to an EA account | May 25 04:13 |
| DaemonFC | so pretty much like Steam | May 25 04:13 |
| ender2070 | everything in the game is online | May 25 04:13 |
| ender2070 | nothing to do offline | May 25 04:13 |
| ender2070 | playing the single player levels you up | May 25 04:13 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, that's the only copy protection that works | May 25 04:13 |
| ender2070 | if you cant level up, you wont have good units online | May 25 04:14 |
| ender2070 | ra3 pissed me off more | May 25 04:14 |
| ender2070 | you couldnt backup saved games and stuff | May 25 04:14 |
| ender2070 | and it required the cd to play | May 25 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | get a fixed EXE | May 25 04:15 |
| ender2070 | i like playing those games online | May 25 04:15 |
| ender2070 | c&c4's gameplay is awesome | May 25 04:15 |
| ender2070 | you take your base with you | May 25 04:15 |
| ender2070 | its more of a capture the flag type of game | May 25 04:16 |
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| cubezzz | I give up on aplus | May 25 05:53 |
| cubezzz | trying openapl now | May 25 05:53 |
| DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2010/05/25/nutrisystem-qualifies-as-cruel-and-unusual/ | May 25 05:56 |
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| DaemonFC | bad food is better than no food at all | May 25 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 25 05:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Such an amazing man. EVERYONE MUST WATCH! -- Dr. Norman Finkelstein at the University of Waterloo - Arabic http://youtu.be/zgzVE-PzCaY | May 25 06:16 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BECTA Discharged http://ur1.ca/038fv BECTA goes the way of the dodo, which rekindles the possibility of software freedom | May 25 07:05 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Silber on Rand Paul: safety&environmental restrictions on companies who..depend upon govt subsidy is unfair? http://huff.to/9bvink #bp #rwnj | May 25 07:25 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell ’s Sale Puts #SCO Case in Jeopardy http://ur1.ca/038kj #unix #linux #court #groklaw | May 25 07:27 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @the_kerouac_cat @drunkenmadman Dammit #Word 2007, I hate you... Go die in a fire. // download #openoffice, works well. shun #microsoft | May 25 07:31 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@EileenLeft Conservatives Disagree That Maddow Asked Paul ‘Gotcha’ Questions /for Palin, evry Q is a 'gotcha',bc she has NO authentic views | May 25 07:33 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @5heila it's official: a #guinness a day is good for you -http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3266819.stm // I never doubted it! #beer | May 25 07:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@MissSugarLipz @lnghrduncare6: @MissSugarLipz every awkward silence a baby is born // logical; babies & silence r like matter & anti-matter | May 25 07:43 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Mandriva is moving away from Mono a bit | May 25 07:43 |
| schestowitz | How so? | May 25 07:44 |
| DaemonFC | 2010.1 will replace Beagle with Tracker | May 25 07:44 |
| schestowitz | Nice | May 25 07:44 |
| schestowitz | Good proof? | May 25 07:44 |
| DaemonFC | yes | May 25 07:44 |
| schestowitz | Page/screenshot? | May 25 07:44 |
| schestowitz | Just in case | May 25 07:44 |
| DaemonFC | http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2010.1_RC | May 25 07:44 |
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| schestowitz | I want to verify to avoid mikstakes | May 25 07:44 |
| DaemonFC | Tracker is now replacing Beagle as document search engine. | May 25 07:44 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: thanks | May 25 07:44 |
| schestowitz | what mono is left in it then? | May 25 07:44 |
| DaemonFC | the runtime itself and F-Spot I believe | May 25 07:45 |
| schestowitz | no tomboy/gnote? | May 25 07:45 |
| DaemonFC | oh, forgot about that | May 25 07:46 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't say anything about getting rid of Tomboy, 2010 had it | May 25 07:46 |
| DaemonFC | Beagle uses a hell of a lot of resources though | May 25 07:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Now searching for a girl assistant for various task at my company. btw operation was successful and I am OK. | May 25 07:47 | |
| DaemonFC | it's not uncommon for it to sit there and take 80 MB of RAM just for itself while indexing | May 25 07:47 |
| DaemonFC | Tracker usually takes more like 30 | May 25 07:47 |
| DaemonFC | those little mono applets here and there gang up on you, take up way more resources than they're worth | May 25 07:48 |
| DaemonFC | Tomboy takes about double the memory of Gnote | May 25 07:48 |
| schestowitz | Recoll took gigabytes | May 25 07:49 |
| schestowitz | The index | May 25 07:49 |
| schestowitz | Not the program | May 25 07:49 |
| schestowitz | For my home dir | May 25 07:49 |
| DaemonFC | I have to wonder what the hell these distributions are thinking when they needlessly pile these things on | May 25 07:49 |
| DaemonFC | makes it useless on older PCs with less than 1 GB of RAM | May 25 07:49 |
| DaemonFC | and while there are equivalent programs that use half the memory all over the place | May 25 07:50 |
| DaemonFC | Beagle is like WinFS for Linux | May 25 07:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] With multiple patents, stronger patent rights can have the perverse effect of stifling, not encouraging, innovation http://ur1.ca/038r1 | May 25 07:55 | |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm, Indiana University isn't mirroring the RC | May 25 07:56 |
| DaemonFC | nor is Purdue | May 25 07:56 |
| DaemonFC | those have always been the fastest mirrors for me :P | May 25 07:57 |
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| MinceR | beagle isn't like winfs for linux. beagle actually exists. | May 25 07:57 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: part of WinFS ended up in Windows 7 | May 25 07:57 |
| DaemonFC | as "libraries" | May 25 07:57 |
| DaemonFC | more irritating than helpful | May 25 07:58 |
| MinceR | that describes m$ products in general | May 25 07:58 |
| DaemonFC | "You can't save here you idiot!" | May 25 07:58 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 25 07:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Absolute power has corrupted the MPEG-LA absolutely http://ur1.ca/031fu | May 25 07:59 | |
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| DaemonFC | so they end up making you scroll through C:\Users\<user name>\My Music for example | May 25 07:59 |
| DaemonFC | you can't just click Music and Save | May 25 07:59 |
| DaemonFC | so I redid it all so that the actual folders are in my favorites | May 25 07:59 |
| schestowitz | Let me see, hold on.... | May 25 08:00 |
| DaemonFC | and it ends up "My Documents" "My Music" My Pictures" etc. on top of "Music" "Documents" "Pictures" | May 25 08:00 |
| DaemonFC | still aggravating and no way to turn it off | May 25 08:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Samba Lawyer About Software Patents: The Only Solution is Abolition http://ur1.ca/038s3 @CarloPiana is right | May 25 08:01 | |
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| MinceR | DaemonFC: btw some libraries from winfs != winfs | May 25 08:01 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: It's helpful to have it aggregate by file type if you're an idiot that throws any given file type anywhere in your User folder | May 25 08:06 |
| DaemonFC | I guess | May 25 08:06 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] BP SpillCam on Loop http://ur1.ca/038ve #wtf #douchebags | May 25 08:21 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Nero AG has filed an antitrust complaint against the MPEG-LA http://ur1.ca/031fu | May 25 08:21 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Nero is suing the MPEG Cartel while promoting the Nero AAC encoder? | May 25 08:24 |
| *DaemonFC is confused | May 25 08:24 | |
| DaemonFC | the funniest part is where it says that all of the MPEG-2 "essential" patents have expired, so MPEG Cartel trumped up some more | May 25 08:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Wearing a dressing gown and carrying a towel for #towelday | May 25 08:27 | |
| DaemonFC | "Therefore, MPEG-LA's unlawful actions have caused, and will continue to cause, Nero irreparable harm for which it has no adequate remedy at law," Nero concludes, "In sum, MPEG-LA's predatory and abusive conduct has caused antitrust injury to innovation, competition, and consumers in the relevant technology markets." | May 25 08:27 |
| DaemonFC | I love it\ | May 25 08:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandriva Removes More of #Mono http://ur1.ca/038zl Mandriva gets rid of #Beagle in the 2010.1 (Spring) release #gnu #linux | May 25 08:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @OsborneInk 'gusher has been releasing more oil EVERY DAY than Exxon Valdez catastrophe' http://bit.ly/cHKDdH #palin #gop #oil #energy | May 25 08:37 | |
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| DaemonFC | and the federal government is still issuing new drilling permits in the Gulf of Mexico | May 25 08:38 |
| DaemonFC | even as the Deepwater Horizons catastrophe keeps getting bigger | May 25 08:38 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 25 08:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Pics of Trip to Kikarwaali by LUG-bikaner, great work #olpc - http://www.flickr.com/photos/lugb/sets/72157624004096623/ | May 25 08:44 | |
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| DaemonFC | lol | May 25 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know why they're giving out Magnums | May 25 08:54 |
| DaemonFC | "Health officials and consumer advocates say that in terms of preventing pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases, there's no difference between Trojans and the less-expensive Durex condoms that the city is offering." | May 25 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | Not true | May 25 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | Durex condoms like to break | May 25 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | free condoms at the liquor store | May 25 08:57 |
| DaemonFC | now there's an idea | May 25 08:57 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] What Disney Princesses teach girls http://ur1.ca/0394x | May 25 09:01 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Canon kills SED. GODDAMNIT! http://ur1.ca/03957 | May 25 09:01 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] RT @daveewart Stupid drivers will be forced to fly red and white flags from their cars this summer: http://tinyurl.com/2umc66q | May 25 09:11 | |
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| TheAncientGoat | Too lazy to register to post a comment, but I find "vendors that sold out to Microsoft (decided to pay Microsoft for Linux, unlike Mandriva) are going extinct. " to be a bit funny seeing as mandriva seems to be up for sale as well... | May 25 09:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | I find your comment on that being funny... funny. | May 25 09:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | since I've never _met_ a Mandriva user, and I've been using Linux for over a decade. | May 25 09:36 |
| TheAncientGoat | I was a Mandriva user, after Kubuntu messed up in upgrading to KDE 4 | May 25 09:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | lolbuntu | May 25 09:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | from what I've heard, btw, fedora has the best kde packaging ever | May 25 09:37 |
| TheAncientGoat | Mandriva's KDE 4 implementation was spotless, basically | May 25 09:37 |
| TheAncientGoat | Yeah, I'm swapping to that once 13 is out | May 25 09:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im not a fedora fan, but if I liked kde that much I would consider switching | May 25 09:38 |
| TheAncientGoat | Not exactly sure why I've stuck to the Ubuntu stack, most probably because the packaging is convenient.. Guess I should check out Debian some time | May 25 09:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Slate is dumping #Vista7 for #Linux (now confirmed), but Microsoft’s entry into #HP raises some questions http://ur1.ca/039c2 | May 25 09:39 | |
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| TheAncientGoat | Still though, I feel my point is valid.. Mandriva is failing despite not selling out to MS, mainly due to people not wanting to pay for a "deluxe" desktop version (nor oem's picking up their instantOn offers due to Mandriva not being a strong enough brand) | May 25 09:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | TheAncientGoat: you know those ten years Ive been using Linux? | May 25 09:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | Debian the whole time. | May 25 09:54 |
| TheAncientGoat | Diablo-D3: How stable is testing? | May 25 09:59 |
| TheAncientGoat | And how good is the KDE implementation? | May 25 09:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | testing is more stable than most distro's stable branches | May 25 09:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | unstable is more stable than most distro's stable branches | May 25 10:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | and I dunno, its kde. | May 25 10:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | it works. | May 25 10:00 |
| *Diablo-D3 hates kde. | May 25 10:00 | |
| Diablo-D3 | I tried really hard to like it, I really did | May 25 10:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | but in the end I couldnt do it | May 25 10:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Apparently the Nokia N900 wont get MeeGo. So it is a dead device after all? http://bit.ly/bMro5d | May 25 10:01 | |
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| TheAncientGoat | Maybe its because I first started with a kde distro, but I just like its integration more than gnomes | May 25 10:02 |
| TheAncientGoat | And its vision.. | May 25 10:02 |
| TheAncientGoat | And I really don't like mac-y interfaces | May 25 10:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hmmmm... did OpenGoo go proprietary? http://fengoffice.com/web/demo/ #feng | May 25 10:05 | |
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| schestowitz | TheAncientGoat: yes, I was aware of Mandriva's situation when I wrote this, but it's the exception here | May 25 10:06 |
| schestowitz | Turbolinux, Mandriva, Xandros and now Novell are gone | May 25 10:06 |
| schestowitz | or goners | May 25 10:06 |
| TheAncientGoat | Isn't it a bit disingenuous to not include it on the list there? Heck, to even include it as an example to prove otherwise | May 25 10:07 |
| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/106235 "'m excited about the projectors. about a year ago i started deciding that projectors would be a bigger deal for ebooks than eink, though we're definitely not there yet. i have a very sad projector, it's easier to read on a crappy 20" tv than a crappy projector" | May 25 10:08 |
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| schestowitz | Even expensive projectors are far worse to use than monitors. My boss had 2 projectors but a dual-head widescreen is far better. | May 25 10:09 |
| MinceR | r4wr | May 25 10:12 |
| TheAncientGoat | Meh, I'm ignoring all display tech untill I can get a straight retinal video feed :P | May 25 10:13 |
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| amarsh04 | local radio is reporting that Japan has lost interest in wood chips from old growth forests preferring plantation wood chips | May 25 10:14 |
| TheAncientGoat | Diablo-D3: Still there? | May 25 10:20 |
| oiaohm | Mostly because plantation is cheeper and needs less bleach. amarsh04 | May 25 10:26 |
| oiaohm | Nothing about being envormentally friendly really. amarsh04 | May 25 10:27 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Office Web Apps and different versions of Office are failing to work together http://ur1.ca/039p9 #Microsoft #Office #odf #ooxml | May 25 10:29 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @webmink: Showing how WebM avoids H.264 patents: http://icio.us/4n4fik | May 25 10:30 | |
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| oiaohm | Now why should anyone be shocked about that schestowitz | May 25 10:30 |
| oiaohm | When has 2 MS Office suits been compadible. | May 25 10:30 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: no surprise | May 25 10:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Harper is #Canada's #Thatcher! The penny drops. Canada's decline into Tory filth is just 20-odd years behind Australia's, UK's. #cdnpoli | May 25 10:42 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows News: #Vista is Bad, #Vista7 is Not Secure, Vista 8 MIA http://bit.ly/dpBK32 #vapourware #linux | May 25 10:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] What is Nautilus Elementary And How to Install Nautilus Elementary in Ubuntu Lucid, Karmic | Tech Drive-in http://shar.es/mjoPp | May 25 10:46 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'coalition's reforms are what you would expect from a group of occasionally well-meaning and invariably wealthy men...' Nick Cohen writes, | May 25 10:47 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] '... But nowhere do they show a glimmering of an understanding that an economic crisis is also a social crisis.' http://bit.ly/9XepdC | May 25 10:48 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @vrsrini: Selections from this week's @E_P_W - http://bit.ly/aWkQky #Narcoanalysis #Torture #Deoband #fatwas | May 25 11:09 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] According to an email I just received, Im clueless for boosting CCTV. Really? So there you go. Different opinion :=clueless. | May 25 11:10 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @inclusiveplanet: The complications of copyright in the digital age http://bit.ly/bXndPI Great article! #a11y #AxS | May 25 11:11 | |
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| schestowitz | CCTV is misguided | May 25 11:21 |
| schestowitz | It some cases and places it's valuable, e.g. next to ATMs | May 25 11:24 |
| schestowitz | more on projectors... "yeah but my only complaint was that it was too dim. and not surprisingly, the chip aside it had a crappy led backlight and cheaper than cheap optics- at a distance of several feet you want a very large font to read ebooks with anyway" http://280.status.net/notice/106254 We need something retinal to save energy | May 25 11:25 |
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| _goblin | schestowitz: I would like to make a more indepth answer, but at the end of the day where I work its what the majority want, misguided or not, it makes people feel safer. | May 25 11:29 |
| _goblin | and Ive personally seen cased (that would not otherwise) be proved due to it. | May 25 11:30 |
| _goblin | *cases | May 25 11:30 |
| _goblin | most pickpockets in London are brought to justice because of it......most violent crime is proved because of it.... | May 25 11:31 |
| _goblin | conversely its also there when you stop on a red route, however people know the law so they have nobody to blame if they break it.... | May 25 11:32 |
| _goblin | I'd say to anyone who has a problem with CCTV, what's the alternative? Take it away and rely on people to behave themselves, or merely rely on hearsay evidence in cases where you have cross allegations? | May 25 11:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @_Goblin Cctv forces a change in behaviour but does not change the desire to want to behave badly. It is bad first aid not a cure. | May 25 11:34 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @satipera certainly not, but when you look at the amount of cases proved with support from CCTV, I cannot see what alternative there is. | May 25 11:35 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @satipera look at the amount of pickpockets or violent crime proved in court with CCTV and rightly or wrongly it makes the public feel safer | May 25 11:36 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @satipera within local communities, theres always the request for more, not less. | May 25 11:36 | |
| oiaohm | CCTV works to a point. | May 25 11:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Off to the dentist for the first time in two years (or more). Not looking forward to it. | May 25 11:46 | |
| oiaohm | But big problem is lot of places put in CCTV and don't provide the man power on ground to have great responce times. | May 25 11:46 |
| oiaohm | Ie what is the point of CCTV if no one responds. | May 25 11:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @_Goblin Again people do not change because they are forced to modify their behaviour for a while. | May 25 11:47 | |
| oiaohm | Australia has many open areas that use to have a lot of crime problems that don't any more due to CCTV. schestowitz But it was not CCTV alone foot staff was increased. If you are in trouble in that area for any reason you can bet on a responce of under 15 secs. | May 25 11:49 |
| oiaohm | Yes I do mean any medical or crime. | May 25 11:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @satipera Very true. Although is that not a sad indictment of some people and an argument to have more coverage not less. | May 25 11:51 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @satipera if there are some people who can't be trusted to behave without being watched, shouldn't we watch then more, if only to give | May 25 11:52 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @satipera the people that can, some safety? | May 25 11:53 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @satipera I'll completely agree, its not pleasant to have camera's everywhere...rock and hard place springs to mind. | May 25 11:54 | |
| schestowitz | [11:29] <_goblin> schestowitz: I would like to make a more indepth answer, but at the end of the day where I work its what the majority want, misguided or not, it makes people feel safer. | May 25 11:54 |
| schestowitz | "Feel" is not good enough | May 25 11:54 |
| schestowitz | You need to make crooks "Feel" scared" | May 25 11:54 |
| schestowitz | They are rarely deterred by some apertre if they need drugs | May 25 11:55 |
| _goblin | and its already established they will shy away from camera's. | May 25 11:55 |
| schestowitz | Also, you are assuming that people who break the law can be controlled by new laws | May 25 11:55 |
| schestowitz | As in, "if we make this dangerous/illegal, then the criminals will stop" | May 25 11:55 |
| _goblin | but whats the alternative? Not have laws because they won't obey them anyway? | May 25 11:55 |
| schestowitz | You can't stop cybercrime by declaring some programs "illegal" | May 25 11:55 |
| _goblin | lets cut the crime rate overnight by making everthing legal. | May 25 11:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Has Already Lost to #Google ’s #Linux and Google’s Gmail http://ur1.ca/03a8a #android | May 25 11:56 | |
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| oiaohm | All it tech is a double sided sword. | May 25 11:56 |
| _goblin | lets see what happens if everything is legal and there are no camera's. | May 25 11:56 |
| oiaohm | Just like information. | May 25 11:56 |
| schestowitz | CCTV would be effective... if it suppressed crime | May 25 11:56 |
| schestowitz | It's good for convicting | May 25 11:56 |
| schestowitz | After the act | May 25 11:56 |
| oiaohm | CCTV is effective as a tool. | May 25 11:56 |
| _goblin | it relocates it and gives some element of control/monitoring. | May 25 11:56 |
| schestowitz | How far should we go? | May 25 11:56 |
| schestowitz | CCTV in your home? | May 25 11:56 |
| oiaohm | If there is enough moniter and resource to respond real time to problems. | May 25 11:57 |
| schestowitz | Your toiley bowl too? Maybe you build a bomb there | May 25 11:57 |
| _goblin | no people in my home people tend not to need it. | May 25 11:57 |
| oiaohm | If its been just used to record the crime it does nothing. | May 25 11:57 |
| schestowitz | It would be like having this "God" dude who watched you 24/7 and enters your mind too | May 25 11:57 |
| oiaohm | Other than make thiefs get good at hiding identity. | May 25 11:57 |
| oiaohm | Lot argue against CCTV | May 25 11:57 |
| _goblin | it needs to be proportionate....if an area suffers from crime, CCTV it......I'll let you know when my toilet becomes a crime hotspot and will install CCTV when that happens. | May 25 11:57 |
| oiaohm | I have seen where CCTV has been used right. | May 25 11:57 |
| oiaohm | To make police cover area more effectively. | May 25 11:58 |
| _goblin | cctv is not controlled by police. | May 25 11:58 |
| schestowitz | [11:55] <_goblin> and its already established they will shy away from camera's. | May 25 11:58 |
| _goblin | in the uk, | May 25 11:58 |
| schestowitz | Burka, hat, mask.... | May 25 11:58 |
| _goblin | its a myth | May 25 11:58 |
| schestowitz | If you have many CCTV you can maybe track them a little | May 25 11:58 |
| _goblin | evidentially its weaker if CCTV is police led. | May 25 11:58 |
| schestowitz | But not much | May 25 11:58 |
| oiaohm | The stuff that is policy controled is effective. | May 25 11:58 |
| schestowitz | Unless yu pave every single block with cameras, which seems to be the startegy | May 25 11:58 |
| oiaohm | Here. | May 25 11:59 |
| schestowitz | [11:56] <oiaohm> CCTV is effective as a tool. | May 25 11:59 |
| oiaohm | In major shopping malls. | May 25 11:59 |
| schestowitz | It can't harm, but at what cost?| | May 25 11:59 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: and peoples behaviour will dictate where and how many camera's are installed. | May 25 11:59 |
| oiaohm | And near pubs. schestowitz | May 25 11:59 |
| oiaohm | Ie the areas of high crime. | May 25 11:59 |
| oiaohm | To get resources on top of the crime fast. | May 25 11:59 |
| oiaohm | Its effective. | May 25 11:59 |
| schestowitz | What about nature? | May 25 12:00 |
| schestowitz | And alleys? | May 25 12:00 |
| schestowitz | You can maybe relocate the crime | May 25 12:00 |
| schestowitz | It's a self-fulfilling prophecy | May 25 12:00 |
| oiaohm | Really not. | May 25 12:00 |
| schestowitz | Put CCTV in shopping mall | May 25 12:00 |
| schestowitz | Crime goes down... there | May 25 12:00 |
| oiaohm | The mails cover the car parks and trains | May 25 12:00 |
| schestowitz | It might be that the criminals just do the crime in a more remote area | May 25 12:00 |
| schestowitz | But since you measure it only where you install the cams you get the numbers that look good | May 25 12:00 |
| oiaohm | Heck even the train car parks have the CCTV live monitering. | May 25 12:01 |
| schestowitz | Look at file sharing | May 25 12:01 |
| schestowitz | Shut down USENET, say it kill p2p and child pr0n in USENET | May 25 12:01 |
| oiaohm | It works those were the hot spots. | May 25 12:01 |
| schestowitz | It dosn't mean you stopped p2p and child pr0n | May 25 12:01 |
| oiaohm | Crime numbers are down since the simple to hit places are gone. | May 25 12:01 |
| schestowitz | You just take it underground or relocated | May 25 12:01 |
| schestowitz | Craigslist had this issue with prostitution | May 25 12:01 |
| oiaohm | Key part of agressive crimes is access to targets. | May 25 12:02 |
| oiaohm | I should have been more correct vollent crime is supressed. | May 25 12:02 |
| oiaohm | And car thiefs. | May 25 12:02 |
| oiaohm | Break and enters when people are not at home are slightly higher. | May 25 12:03 |
| oiaohm | Due to taking away the areas of easy targets. | May 25 12:03 |
| oiaohm | Ie a drunk person out side a pub walking home is a nice soft target. schestowitz | May 25 12:03 |
| oiaohm | Police here are doing preventive as well. Like getting those drunks a proper lift home. | May 25 12:04 |
| oiaohm | Basically killing off the easy chance of making money for the crims. | May 25 12:04 |
| oiaohm | p2p and usenet does not change the chance todo crime removing them. schestowitz | May 25 12:05 |
| oiaohm | Note people caring a huge load of stuff is another really soft target for a crim. schestowitz | May 25 12:06 |
| oiaohm | There are particular areas where we are soft targets. | May 25 12:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right off to work... | May 25 12:11 | |
| schestowitz | Gotta catch some bad guys, _goblin? | May 25 12:12 |
| oiaohm | Basically correct placement of CCTV is assistance to crime prevention and works. But placing them everywhere end up eating up more resources for no gain. | May 25 12:15 |
| oiaohm | Ie flooded under information. schestowitz | May 25 12:15 |
| amarsh04 | schestowitz, NASA tv had a program on astronaut training for the toilets on the space station, there is a functional toilet of identical design to the space station toilet, and a dummy test toilet with cctv camera in-bowl with image viewable by the person sitting on it, so they can practice how to sit correctly | May 25 12:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @tuxmaniac: The Behavioural Economics of Free Software - http://j.mp/cFKUM0 (Blog post by @mdzimm ) | May 25 12:33 | |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/zs3cM.png | May 25 12:53 |
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| schestowitz | amarsh04: it makes sense | May 25 12:59 |
| schestowitz | The last thing you want in the zero-gravity craft is a shi**y habitat because some astronaut made a mistake | May 25 13:00 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: spoof or real? | May 25 13:32 |
| MinceR | dunno | May 25 13:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @jwildeboer: Nero sues MPEG-LA for fraudulent behaviour, antitrust, sherman act - could this help VP8 and Ogg? http://is.gd/covMc | May 25 13:38 | |
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| oiaohm | Sound right for there sence of fun. MinceR | May 25 13:38 |
| oiaohm | Also they have the idea think about 7 years into the future. I the idea would be good then. Then it worth doing. | May 25 13:39 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they had medicine? | May 25 13:43 |
| schestowitz | The good think about modern life is medicine, heating, sanitation... | May 25 13:44 |
| oiaohm | They had very few illnesses. | May 25 13:44 |
| MinceR | medicine, probably. working medicine, probably not. ;) | May 25 13:44 |
| MinceR | low life expectancy | May 25 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Quacks.. | May 25 13:44 |
| oiaohm | Tents were designed with heating in mind. | May 25 13:44 |
| MinceR | had to hunt all day | May 25 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Well, back then people everywhere thought disease was from "God" | May 25 13:44 |
| oiaohm | Lay out of there camps obeyed the rules of sanitation. | May 25 13:44 |
| schestowitz | They hadn't discovered microscopy yet | May 25 13:45 |
| MinceR | actually not every religion is monotheistic :> | May 25 13:45 |
| oiaohm | So most of the rules were right. | May 25 13:45 |
| MinceR | and not all of them are silly enough to not give their god a name :> | May 25 13:45 |
| oiaohm | There life expectancy was not short. | May 25 13:45 |
| MinceR | (or to make it a taboo for so long that they forgot what it was) | May 25 13:45 |
| schestowitz | It wasn't | May 25 13:45 |
| oiaohm | About the same as the poor USA life expectance today. | May 25 13:45 |
| schestowitz | Mortality was high | May 25 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Very few died hunting. | May 25 13:46 |
| schestowitz | I used to think life expectancy being 40 means they die naturally at this age, e.g. in Egypt | May 25 13:46 |
| schestowitz | It's just an average, assuming child mortality, diseases like flu in old age, etc. | May 25 13:46 |
| schestowitz | We're hardly even taller than 5k years ago | May 25 13:46 |
| oiaohm | ammericas were isolated from most of the real child killing illnesses. | May 25 13:49 |
| oiaohm | Basically that had it good. | May 25 13:50 |
| oiaohm | white man going their bring stuff that was not there ruined it. | May 25 13:50 |
| oiaohm | due to the way the operated as well they had quarantine. tottem polls sad if it was safe to enter there area or not. | May 25 13:51 |
| oiaohm | So may not had modern medical but had control on infection spreeding far batter then we have had. schestowitz | May 25 13:51 |
| MinceR | how did they alter the totem pole? | May 25 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Nothing on the pole safe. | May 25 13:52 |
| MinceR | (i have altered the pole. pray i do not alter it any further.) | May 25 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Something wrapped around it don't enter. | May 25 13:52 |
| MinceR | ic | May 25 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Simple. | May 25 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Very effective. | May 25 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Ie they had quarantine that works. | May 25 13:53 |
| oiaohm | We don't. | May 25 13:53 |
| oiaohm | All the advances we have can be undo by something so simple. | May 25 13:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Attacks #Linux Competition Using Lawsuits; Pays #Acacia /IP Innovation After Anti-Linux Lawsuit http://ur1.ca/03az6 | May 25 13:54 | |
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| MinceR | now we do have working quarantines and a lot more. | May 25 13:56 |
| oiaohm | For major illnesses it fails. | May 25 13:56 |
| oiaohm | Mostly because we can travel too fast these days. | May 25 13:56 |
| oiaohm | So by the time you find out you are sick you have already spreed it on to another group. | May 25 13:57 |
| oiaohm | That is the problem today. | May 25 13:57 |
| oiaohm | Ie we have advanced and that advancement undermines our progress in some areas. | May 25 13:57 |
| MinceR | obeying totem poles is voluntary | May 25 13:57 |
| MinceR | in the same way you can choose to travel slowly. :> | May 25 13:58 |
| oiaohm | Nop. | May 25 13:58 |
| oiaohm | Anyone breaking it would be killed. | May 25 13:58 |
| oiaohm | Yes harsh but effective. | May 25 13:58 |
| MinceR | that's very advanced. :> | May 25 13:58 |
| oiaohm | Because breaking it could end up with more people dead. | May 25 13:59 |
| MinceR | meanwhile we can treat most diseases that stopped the american natives in their tracks... and could kill entire communities. | May 25 13:59 |
| MinceR | no wonder we have overpopulation :> | May 25 13:59 |
| oiaohm | The diseases were spreed into the american natives by us. | May 25 13:59 |
| oiaohm | There control systems would have stopped the diseases if we were not there. | May 25 14:00 |
| oiaohm | They had it worked out very well. MinceR | May 25 14:00 |
| oiaohm | Lot of them did not even know what the common cold was. | May 25 14:01 |
| MinceR | they were lucky | May 25 14:01 |
| MinceR | they did not know what they were doing | May 25 14:01 |
| oiaohm | They knew what they were doing. | May 25 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Area gets sick don't let is spreed. | May 25 14:01 |
| oiaohm | If it don't spreed it will be no more. | May 25 14:01 |
| MinceR | i doubt they knew what causative agents were | May 25 14:02 |
| oiaohm | Who need to know that if it don't spreed. | May 25 14:02 |
| MinceR | and what infection vectors exist | May 25 14:02 |
| MinceR | it's necessary to know, since they have different conditions for propagation. | May 25 14:02 |
| oiaohm | They knew about water for spreeding deases. | May 25 14:02 |
| oiaohm | So if area up stream was closed the down stream would be avoided. | May 25 14:03 |
| oiaohm | They were doing over kill quarantine | May 25 14:03 |
| oiaohm | Basically kill all bar creature carried off. | May 25 14:03 |
| MinceR | oiaohm claiming that modern doctors of medicine know nothing in 3..2..1.. | May 25 14:04 |
| oiaohm | No I am not. | May 25 14:04 |
| oiaohm | The difference now is by the time you get to do it. | May 25 14:04 |
| oiaohm | The area of spreed is already huge. | May 25 14:04 |
| MinceR | they knew nothing about penicillin or sterilization | May 25 14:04 |
| oiaohm | They had other equals to penicillin | May 25 14:06 |
| MinceR | oh really? | May 25 14:06 |
| oiaohm | Yes really. | May 25 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Remember penicillin comes from nature. | May 25 14:07 |
| oiaohm | There are many natural things that produce anti bacterials | May 25 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Big thing here they never over used them either. Like we stupidly did. | May 25 14:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Salesforce.com CEO Says Microsoft Is a 'patent Troll' http://ur1.ca/03b23 | May 25 14:09 | |
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| oiaohm | sterilization they also had. MinceR Ok not a method that any normal person would want. Done male side. No nuts no reproduction. | May 25 14:11 |
| MinceR | that's not the sterilization i'm talking about | May 25 14:13 |
| MinceR | i'm talking about sterilization of implements used by doctors | May 25 14:13 |
| oiaohm | Old school heat and natural base materials. | May 25 14:14 |
| oiaohm | Almost as effective as what we use today MinceR | May 25 14:14 |
| MinceR | it's of no use if you don't know it's important to do. | May 25 14:15 |
| oiaohm | This is the problem MinceR we are not as far ahead as a lot of people want to think. | May 25 14:15 |
| MinceR | but go ahead, tell the doctors that they've been wasting hundreds of years of research. :> | May 25 14:15 |
| oiaohm | We need it. | May 25 14:15 |
| oiaohm | That is the point your are not getting. | May 25 14:16 |
| MinceR | no, the problem is that it's fashionable to dismiss science nowadays | May 25 14:16 |
| MinceR | people who would die without science keep dismissing it and claiming it's all lies. | May 25 14:16 |
| oiaohm | We incressed movement of people. | May 25 14:16 |
| oiaohm | Result. Old systems fail. | May 25 14:16 |
| oiaohm | You now need way more advanced to get eqaul results. | May 25 14:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @_Goblin It is not just cameras, the state and companies know far too much about us, the danger of future abuse is too great. | May 25 14:17 | |
| oiaohm | Not better just equal. | May 25 14:17 |
| MinceR | religious zealots spread lies about science using equipment that would not work without the facts they denounce as lies. | May 25 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Now if we could get the old school quarantine back with the modern tech. | May 25 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Then we would be ahead. MinceR | May 25 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Basically people want to disregard what we have lost and only focused on what we gained. | May 25 14:19 |
| MinceR | no, then we would forfeit some of our advances. | May 25 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Someways yes someways on. | May 25 14:19 |
| MinceR | diseases aren't that much of a problem now as you're making them out to be. | May 25 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Maybe we need to just get more advanced. | May 25 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Some cases using computers these days we would really not need to travel around the world. | May 25 14:20 |
| oiaohm | So reducing spreed. | May 25 14:20 |
| oiaohm | Spreed control is the area that we have not worked out in the modern world the old times had solved. MinceR | May 25 14:21 |
| MinceR | we can reduce traveling but being afraid of diseases is not the right reason | May 25 14:21 |
| MinceR | reducing pollution and wasting less time is a good reason | May 25 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Diseases and fighting are two of the biggest life span reduces. | May 25 14:22 |
| oiaohm | So to reduce pollution more of both are good. | May 25 14:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @jwildeboer: And here in EN. An iPad per MEP. Paid from our tax money. Geez. http://is.gd/coxyQ | May 25 14:24 | |
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| MinceR | damn, i didn't know the EP was such a collection of greedy idiots. | May 25 14:25 |
| MinceR | sure, greedy and useless for any real work, but that stupid? | May 25 14:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'I hope that, when I'm dead too..I'm as vibrant, active and still growing as strongly as #Perl is' Conway http://lwn.net/Articles/389030/rss | May 25 14:48 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] That's over 200 GBP that I'll never see again (and the dentist will) | May 25 14:55 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Whenever I look at anything to do with London 2012 Olympics it makes me ashamed to be British :( | May 25 14:56 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Representatives say South Korean electronics makers are becoming targets from "patent trolls'' http://ur1.ca/03bi0 | May 25 15:20 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Hrm. http://www.citizendia.org/ @lsanger - did #Citizendium get its trademarks registered? | May 25 15:53 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Oh God, my brain hurts. Exquisite woo: Ormus. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ormus | May 25 16:31 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @PennyRed: new post: shiny happy rape culture http://bit.ly/bXBhGA [rape triggers and bile] | May 25 16:31 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Article 118 of the TFEU which will address the issue of an effective EU patent system http://ur1.ca/03c2t | May 25 16:49 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Welcomes the Council conclusions on an EU patent system (4 Dec2009) as a significant positive development http://ur1.ca/03c32 | May 25 16:51 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee beam.smp 100% cpu. Look at him go! | May 25 16:57 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Twitter is odd. Seeing @czajkowski & @Izzard communicate. I've met them both, but don't think they've met eachother. | May 25 17:06 | |
| Omar87 | Hi all. | May 25 17:08 |
| schestowitz | [14:16] <MinceR> people who would die without science keep dismissing it and claiming it's all lies. | May 25 17:09 |
| schestowitz | +1 | May 25 17:09 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Excuse me, but who would be stupid enough to dismiss science, if I may ask? | May 25 17:11 |
| schestowitz | A lot of religious people do that | May 25 17:11 |
| schestowitz | From what I could gather anyway | May 25 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Others are just going broke buying medicine | May 25 17:11 |
| schestowitz | So they turn to fake ones and dismiss science | May 25 17:12 |
| schestowitz | But anyway, oiaohm surprised me with his beliefs | May 25 17:12 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, will, if any people (religious or not) dismiss science, then that's their problem, ya know. | May 25 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: yes, indeed | May 25 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, the correlation between those who daemonise science to other trait is worth noting | May 25 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Developing nations do appreciate science, but patents and stuff prevent them from accessing that | May 25 17:13 |
| schestowitz | The West pretends to be 'donating' (exporting) to them | May 25 17:13 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, though the question is: What do we mean by science? | May 25 17:14 |
| schestowitz | it could just give them the knowledge they need to make their own life-saving drugs, but greed stands in the way | May 25 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Ethics and crime are separate here | May 25 17:14 |
| schestowitz | You can be HUGELY unethical and yet not criminal | May 25 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Jails are for hungry shoplifers, not corrupt aristocrats | May 25 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: several fields of science (or branches): cosmology, medicine, etc. | May 25 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Some people still insist the Earth is 6000 years old | May 25 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Some of them are in PARLIAMENT!!!! | May 25 17:15 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, but these not science. They are only *Branches" of science. | May 25 17:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Can't get used to the new Buzz Out Loud theme music. It sounds really hollow. | May 25 17:16 | |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I feel sorry for them. But according to my beliefs (Islam). Earth is, in fact, about 4-5 billion years old, or maybe more. | May 25 17:17 |
| MinceR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science | May 25 17:18 |
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| MinceR | there's a pretty good definition | May 25 17:18 |
| Omar87 | CORRECTION: "...beliefs (Islam), Earth..." | May 25 17:19 |
| Omar87 | Whoever sent that link, sorry, you're on my ignore list. And until you learn some manners, I'll keep you there. | May 25 17:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @FOSSpatents: #WebM (#VP8): updated my roundup with reference to Carlo Daffara's patent-related analysis http://bit.ly/dyH7cH | May 25 17:20 | |
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| MinceR | pretending to ignore someone FAIL | May 25 17:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Today I saw adv for BOSS operating system on India TV. :) Lets wait some more time for SchoolOS adv too. | May 25 17:23 | |
| MinceR | but it's understandable that a religious zealot would want to ignore a well-written definition and explanation of what science is, the better to pretend that analyzing bad pieces of fiction passes as "science". | May 25 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: there are 100+ more faiths | May 25 17:27 |
| schestowitz | They are mutually contradictory | May 25 17:27 |
| schestowitz | So I don't know what to believe among them | May 25 17:27 |
| schestowitz | In science, however, there is consensus. Many different dating methods say 4.5bn years (+-) | May 25 17:27 |
| schestowitz | You can calculate distance from centre space (which expands), use radio-dating, counting the degradation on atomic (or subatomic) particles, etc. | May 25 17:28 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, there has to be one of them that can be considered better than the rest, ya know. | May 25 17:28 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, the latter method works well for long time span, doing more than the age of the universe at gauging age | May 25 17:29 |
| schestowitz | Had the estimates not agreed between those different methods, then there would be doubt | May 25 17:29 |
| MinceR | in before Omar87 says that the muslim faith is better than the rest because he says so and/or because it's written in the Qur'an, but no other reason | May 25 17:30 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, What you're telling me is great. But none of it explains how "probability" can create an ultimately huge, complex and accurate universe. | May 25 17:30 |
| schestowitz | When many different methods indpendently point to the same conclusion (e.g. DNA, transition fossils, layers of ground sorted by the expected orders, etc.), then the theory of evolution is a compelling fact too | May 25 17:30 |
| schestowitz | It was refined a lot, same with the ages of this planet | May 25 17:30 |
| schestowitz | We keep finding that everything points to the same thing which started as an hypothesis | May 25 17:30 |
| MinceR | ah, the old "i don't understand it, therefore it isn't true" attack. | May 25 17:30 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, where are the transitional fossils? I haven't seen any. | May 25 17:31 |
| schestowitz | The scientific method is very powerful because these rigorous tests are demanded | May 25 17:31 |
| schestowitz | [17:30] <Omar87> schestowitz, What you're telling me is great. But none of it explains how "probability" can create an ultimately huge, complex and accurate universe. | May 25 17:31 |
| schestowitz | I wasn't talking about it | May 25 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: there are many. Hold on... | May 25 17:31 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, unless you meant the Piltdown Man (forgery). Ardi (A full monkey), Ida (A mere lemur)... etc. | May 25 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Ni | May 25 17:32 |
| schestowitz | No | May 25 17:32 |
| schestowitz | There are tons of example. I'm looking for a good talk for you | May 25 17:32 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Lucy(a monkey). | May 25 17:32 |
| schestowitz | It shows you photos | May 25 17:32 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I've seen photos everywhere. None of them is transitional. | May 25 17:33 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Australopithecus Sediba (Not transitional). | May 25 17:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIijwkaqKzY | May 25 17:34 |
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| MinceR | see, he knows it all better than all the archaeologists | May 25 17:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=+transitional+fossils&aq=f | May 25 17:34 |
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| MinceR | just from studying a bad work of fiction | May 25 17:34 |
| schestowitz | I can't find the one I watched last week, it was one hour long | May 25 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: I got these for you, have a look | May 25 17:34 |
| MinceR | never mind that Homo erectus and Homo habilis were transitional fossils too | May 25 17:35 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, also, apart from transitional fossils, evolution failed at explaining the Peacock's tail. | May 25 17:35 |
| schestowitz | ? | May 25 17:35 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, yep. Can you explaining? | May 25 17:36 |
| Omar87 | explain it?* | May 25 17:36 |
| MinceR | revelations like that are what passes for "science" in the clouded mind of the religious zealot | May 25 17:36 |
| schestowitz | This sounds like a joke from Banana Man Ray Comfort | May 25 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Paacock tail? | May 25 17:36 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, nope. It's not. | May 25 17:36 |
| schestowitz | what's special about peacock's tail | May 25 17:36 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, how did evolve? It's what made Darwin sick? | May 25 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Darwin lived aged ago | May 25 17:37 |
| schestowitz | *ages | May 25 17:37 |
| MinceR | more variants of the old "i don't understand it, therefore it isn't true" argument | May 25 17:37 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, the colorfulness? The splendidly attractive design? | May 25 17:38 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, which make him untrustworthy? How unfair. | May 25 17:38 |
| schestowitz | Darwin has no burial into fossils, no DNA, no radio dating, no map of evolution hierarchy (tree) | May 25 17:38 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: you mean, like rainbow? | May 25 17:38 |
| MinceR | no mtDNA either | May 25 17:38 |
| schestowitz | The Mister God made rainbow for us to enjoy. They used to make Gods for ranbows, too | May 25 17:38 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, but he's the inventor of evolution remember? | May 25 17:39 |
| MinceR | lol | May 25 17:39 |
| MinceR | "inventor" | May 25 17:39 |
| schestowitz | ANd thunders, lightnings, stars... | May 25 17:39 |
| schestowitz | We now know what stars are | May 25 17:39 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, how can you possible discredit him? | May 25 17:39 |
| MinceR | i wonder if muhammad was the inventor of god then | May 25 17:39 |
| MinceR | or abraham | May 25 17:39 |
| MinceR | or whoever | May 25 17:39 |
| schestowitz | We know thunders and lightnings are connected to one another and explain what causes them (can reproduce in a lab) | May 25 17:39 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Stop changing the subject. Explain to me where did these colors on the peacock's tail come from? | May 25 17:39 |
| schestowitz | [17:39] <Omar87> schestowitz, but he's the inventor of evolution remember? | May 25 17:39 |
| schestowitz | No | May 25 17:39 |
| schestowitz | He didn't invent | May 25 17:39 |
| schestowitz | He was an observer | May 25 17:40 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Yes he did. | May 25 17:40 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, he hallucinated it. | May 25 17:40 |
| MinceR | lol | May 25 17:40 |
| schestowitz | It's like saying the Indians invented America | May 25 17:40 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, and our scientists believed him. | May 25 17:40 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, no it's not like that. | May 25 17:40 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, can you quit changing the subject please? | May 25 17:41 |
| MinceR | he doesn't even understand _why_ scientists believe each other | May 25 17:41 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: I use a parable | May 25 17:41 |
| schestowitz | I didn't change the subject | May 25 17:41 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, how did the peacock's tail evolve to what it is today? | May 25 17:41 |
| schestowitz | Darwin wasn't first | May 25 17:41 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, then answer me. | May 25 17:41 |
| schestowitz | Before religion takeover of the world the Greeks saw the same | May 25 17:41 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I already know that. | May 25 17:41 |
| schestowitz | Evolution was understood by the greeks | May 25 17:41 |
| MinceR | i could explain it but he's ignoring me :> | May 25 17:41 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, prove it. | May 25 17:41 |
| schestowitz | But they didn't understand it quite as correctly | May 25 17:41 |
| schestowitz | They have a stair-like hierarchy of developing species with man on top | May 25 17:42 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, plus, you have not DNA record of the Greeks. Therefore, you can't even prove they existed. | May 25 17:42 |
| MinceR | lol | May 25 17:42 |
| Omar87 | no* DNA record | May 25 17:42 |
| MinceR | Omar87 has no DNA record of Muhammad nor of his god, therefore neither exists | May 25 17:42 |
| MinceR | QED | May 25 17:42 |
| Omar87 | Sorry. | May 25 17:42 |
| schestowitz | [17:42] <Omar87> schestowitz, plus, you have not DNA record of the Greeks. Therefore, you can't even prove they existed. | May 25 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Now we go a little coockoo | May 25 17:43 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, coockoo? | May 25 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | May 25 17:43 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, you're the one who use this "coockoo" attitude. | May 25 17:43 |
| schestowitz | You have to disprove the libray of Alexandria | May 25 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Like, say it was "planted" there or something to "confuse" us | May 25 17:43 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, and so do you have to disprove the Kaaba. And the Madina Mosque. | May 25 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Why disprove them? | May 25 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Go further and disprove dinosaur fossils... | May 25 17:44 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, You do that. | May 25 17:44 |
| schestowitz | That's not the subject of dispute | May 25 17:45 |
| schestowitz | We were talking about evolution | May 25 17:45 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, You're only refuting yourself. | May 25 17:45 |
| schestowitz | I though Islam did accept evolution | May 25 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Or maybe some parts of it did | May 25 17:45 |
| schestowitz | The church does to an extent | May 25 17:45 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I accept natural selection. But not evolution. | May 25 17:45 |
| schestowitz | It has factions though | May 25 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Paul did try to at least keep up with the time and embrace some reality | May 25 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Otherwise they would love crediidibility, following and $$$$ that they are all about (or power) | May 25 17:46 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, anyways. You keep proving to me that a PHD is only a worthless waste of time and money. No offense. | May 25 17:46 |
| Omar87 | Talk to you later. :) | May 25 17:46 |
| *Omar87 is now known as Omar87-AWAY | May 25 17:46 | |
| MinceR | there's also the "no, you prove it!" argument | May 25 17:48 |
| MinceR | brilliant. | May 25 17:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/24/AR2010052402781.html?nav=rss_business/industries | May 25 17:48 |
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| schestowitz | Good times for banksters | May 25 17:48 |
| schestowitz | http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/24/behind-the-trends-in-an-m-a-uptick/?partner=rss&emc=rss | May 25 17:48 |
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| MinceR | also, no wonder he doesn't understand anything if he despises learning | May 25 17:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Times prepares to shake off parasites http://newstechnica.com/2010/05/25/times-prepares-to-shake-off-parasites/ | May 25 17:53 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: debating with someone who has a weak side to defend is OK | May 25 17:53 |
| schestowitz | An observer can judge fine from the outside | May 25 17:54 |
| schestowitz | It's like debating Microsoft on OOXML | May 25 17:54 |
| schestowitz | They chickened out when Glyn Moody was about to do it (they cancelled) | May 25 17:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] With #BECTA and Richard Steele out of the house, it sure seems like Club Microsoft is fatiguing in the UK | May 25 17:57 | |
| MinceR | it's painful to watch | May 25 17:57 |
| MinceR | Omar87-AWAY didn't even seem to notice that he was losing | May 25 17:57 |
| schestowitz | The idea that evolution was "invented" reminds me of the creationist notion that Man was "invented" or "created" | May 25 17:58 |
| schestowitz | Which begs then, were stars also "invented" when they were formed, put with all the right chemicals to make up what they are and move at the right speed and orbit so as to not collapse onto other planets? | May 25 17:59 |
| MinceR | it also means that gods and prophets were invented too | May 25 18:00 |
| schestowitz | When we see something complex, we with our minds find patterns that tell us it was "created". That's how we think | May 25 18:00 |
| MinceR | wait, they indeed were :> | May 25 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Maybe not | May 25 18:00 |
| schestowitz | They were ordinary people or just a fictionary character like Sherlock Holmes | May 25 18:00 |
| MinceR | following Omar87-AWAY's "logic", stars were invented when the first human looked at them and noticed their presence | May 25 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Some people think these 'famous' people existed and that's just going back to literature from Doyle | May 25 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Imagine having no print and passing this info for 400 years (~16 generations) before writing this down | May 25 18:01 |
| MinceR | even if they did exist, we don't know how much of that literature is fact about them | May 25 18:01 |
| schestowitz | There are always going to be distotions and exaggerations over time, no direct eyewitness account, also make believe and wannabe claims | May 25 18:02 |
| schestowitz | I believe in Zeus | May 25 18:02 |
| schestowitz | I like the name | May 25 18:02 |
| schestowitz | It starts with a Zeeee | May 25 18:02 |
| schestowitz | Like Zune :-) | May 25 18:02 |
| schestowitz | Also... | May 25 18:03 |
| schestowitz | I know nobody who kills in the name of Zeus | May 25 18:03 |
| MinceR | i believe in myself | May 25 18:03 |
| MinceR | i exist | May 25 18:03 |
| MinceR | and i hear my prayers | May 25 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Zeus is cooler | May 25 18:03 |
| schestowitz | I can find you photos of him | May 25 18:03 |
| MinceR | i can make photos of myself | May 25 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Zeus is a misogynist though | May 25 18:04 |
| MinceR | also, i'm the greatest person i ever knew :> | May 25 18:04 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: but your life expires | May 25 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Unless you do something very important or evil | May 25 18:04 |
| MinceR | i'm immortal, so far | May 25 18:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/images?hl=&q=zeus&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | May 25 18:04 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Zeus-and-Hera-greek-mythology-687002_1000_845.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fanpop.com/spots/greek-mythology/images/687002&usg=__vvfEXRabhXPEOFL4KoTWjZm4_l4=&h=845&w=1000&sz=183&hl=en&start=5&itbs=1&tbnid=J8sKDMjK_h4aEM:&tbnh=126&tbnw=149&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dzeus%26hl%3Den%26c2coff%3D1%26rlz%3D1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316%26tbs%3Disch:1 | May 25 18:05 |
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| schestowitz | Zeus gets girls :-p | May 25 18:05 |
| schestowitz | But he has no computer | May 25 18:06 |
| schestowitz | People used to have this fantasy about Gods living with a rooster, a kid with a bow in their bed, and a peacock | May 25 18:06 |
| schestowitz | See, people sued to be humble | May 25 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Now they have swimming pool, shiny-shiny hypeSomething, and many cars | May 25 18:06 |
| MinceR | religious people only preach being humble, they don't practice it | May 25 18:07 |
| schestowitz | True | May 25 18:07 |
| schestowitz | The archbishops here | May 25 18:07 |
| schestowitz | They have mansions, the higher ones having even serveral | May 25 18:07 |
| schestowitz | But they preach for sufficiency, it's hilarious | May 25 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Hey, here's a thought: | May 25 18:08 |
| schestowitz | If you go to an employer you can wear a veil and say it's your religion | May 25 18:08 |
| schestowitz | How about if you put in your CV that you are a Zeusian? | May 25 18:09 |
| MinceR | since when does religion belong in the CV? | May 25 18:09 |
| *Omar87-AWAY is now known as Omar87 | May 25 18:09 | |
| Omar87 | Hi all. | May 25 18:09 |
| schestowitz | And you come there to an interview claiming that the interviewer is an alien and it's true cause it's part of your religion s/he must respect? | May 25 18:09 |
| MinceR | sure | May 25 18:09 |
| schestowitz | I think there's this validity set for 'legitimate' religions | May 25 18:09 |
| schestowitz | Like beliefs people must tolerate and accept | May 25 18:10 |
| MinceR | "respect my religion" is the modern form of "do whatever i tell you to and let me do whatever i please" | May 25 18:10 |
| MinceR | it's the ultimate excuse | May 25 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Like {Hindu|Islam|Judaism|Christianity|etc.} | May 25 18:10 |
| schestowitz | But you can't come in there saying "Elvis is still alive!" (which is actually more realistic than the former ones) | May 25 18:11 |
| MinceR | that could form part of a religion | May 25 18:11 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: sometimes sexism is justified this way | May 25 18:11 |
| MinceR | iirc it was cited as part of a religion but i don't remember if it was a fictional one | May 25 18:11 |
| MinceR | yes, muslim extremists seem to like that a lot | May 25 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Like, if a job is of a religious nature you have exceptions protected by the state (in US law) that allow you to disrimiante by gender | May 25 18:11 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, so, since every fossil is a transitional fossil, why can't we see reptiles with fins? Or reptiles with feathers? | May 25 18:12 |
| schestowitz | A US school lost its tax-free status because it rejected non-white applicants | May 25 18:12 |
| MinceR | though i'm not sure if they can point to actual scripture about it | May 25 18:12 |
| schestowitz | So it no longer could be seen as state service taxpayers should pay for | May 25 18:12 |
| schestowitz | [18:12] <Omar87> schestowitz, so, since every fossil is a transitional fossil, why can't we see reptiles with fins? Or reptiles with feathers? | May 25 18:12 |
| schestowitz | They are not adjacent ont he tree | May 25 18:13 |
| schestowitz | For the same reason you don't see part TB, part human | May 25 18:13 |
| MinceR | durr hurr i want my human with leaves fossil now! | May 25 18:13 |
| Omar87 | TB? | May 25 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Tuberculosis | May 25 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Oops | May 25 18:14 |
| schestowitz | The name of the germ is different | May 25 18:14 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, an infectious disease? | May 25 18:14 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, you're kidding right? | May 25 18:14 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mycobacterium_phylogenetic_tree.png | May 25 18:15 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Vatican promises to open wartime archives -but not current Paedophile Priest archives to the Police, go figure http://tinyurl.com/2ft7msy | May 25 18:15 | |
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| schestowitz | Photo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mycobacterium_tuberculosis.jpg | May 25 18:16 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Just to remind you, you haven't explain the Peacock's tail dilemma yet. | May 25 18:16 |
| Omar87 | explained* | May 25 18:16 |
| MinceR | there's no dilemma about it | May 25 18:16 |
| schestowitz | ANyway, Omar87, straight to the point | May 25 18:17 |
| schestowitz | What you probably want is the transition between reptile to bird | May 25 18:17 |
| schestowitz | We have fossils like this around China | May 25 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Then you have bird->mammals | May 25 18:18 |
| schestowitz | We have fossils that show how whales and dolphins came about | May 25 18:18 |
| MinceR | mammals aren't descended from birds | May 25 18:18 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, No. | May 25 18:18 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, That's not what I'm asking for at all. | May 25 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes with enough genetic deformity we have dolphins born with tiny weird legs (and skeletons on them) | May 25 18:18 |
| schestowitz | >> Or reptiles with feathers? | May 25 18:19 |
| schestowitz | We have those | May 25 18:19 |
| schestowitz | Sort tissue too | May 25 18:19 |
| schestowitz | With reconstructions | May 25 18:19 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: penguins (Linux0 | May 25 18:19 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I've seen most of them. But, I gotta tell ya, evolutionists have this very intense sense of humor. :-) | May 25 18:20 |
| schestowitz | And we have the missing link between reptiles and mammalian reptiles too | May 25 18:20 |
| Omar87 | A nice one! :D | May 25 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Those that stand erected | May 25 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: yeah | May 25 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Humour makes them more approachable | May 25 18:20 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Missing link? Yeah, right. | May 25 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Hold on. | May 25 18:20 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, And more pathetic too. | May 25 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zzsg0yEH4s | May 25 18:21 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: they are your friends | May 25 18:21 |
| schestowitz | They help us understand how to make medicine | May 25 18:21 |
| Omar87 | IDA? The mere innocent lemur? How dare you! | May 25 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Makes your life safer | May 25 18:21 |
| schestowitz | It's not a lemur | May 25 18:22 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, oh, it is. | May 25 18:22 |
| schestowitz | We have means of showing that it inherits from reptiles and becomes more like mammals and that's what transitional means | May 25 18:22 |
| MinceR | he refuses to admit the facts on which medicine is based while insisting on having access to that medicine | May 25 18:22 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Oh, and you want me to trust a news from the BBS, right? Nice try, professor. | May 25 18:23 |
| schestowitz | You are allowed to change an opinion. Only mules would not. | May 25 18:23 |
| schestowitz | It's BBC, not a BBS server | May 25 18:23 |
| schestowitz | And BBC is still more reliable than some other sources | May 25 18:23 |
| MinceR | pwnt | May 25 18:23 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Mules. True. I agree with that. :) | May 25 18:23 |
| schestowitz | It has less agenda when it comes to historical science | May 25 18:23 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I very much doubt it. | May 25 18:23 |
| schestowitz | There's no product to sell here really | May 25 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Like medicine or computer program | May 25 18:24 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, it's still a Mass media corporation. | May 25 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Or propaganda like one's own version of history (which the BBC loves to distort) | May 25 18:24 |
| schestowitz | The only product here is maybe funding for research that groups compete over | May 25 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: BBC is more reliable than Ike | May 25 18:25 |
| schestowitz | And others who would have you believe that some of us are aliens or reptiles in disguise | May 25 18:25 |
| schestowitz | BBC is not as bad as can be | May 25 18:25 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, did I mention Icke? | May 25 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 25 18:25 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I don't trust Icke very much either. | May 25 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Not today | May 25 18:25 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I don't trust him much. | May 25 18:26 |
| Omar87 | If not at all. | May 25 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, watch the video | May 25 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Don't knock it _just because_ it's BBC | May 25 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Listen to the people in it | May 25 18:26 |
| MinceR | then he'll knock it because he doesn't understand it | May 25 18:26 |
| schestowitz | See the images | May 25 18:26 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I've seen so many. And they're all hilarious. | May 25 18:27 |
| MinceR | "hilarious" == "contradicts scripture" | May 25 18:28 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: watch this one | May 25 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Tell me what looks wrong | May 25 18:29 |
| MinceR | he won't because it's "hilarious" (see definition above) | May 25 18:29 |
| schestowitz | it's actually not funny, it's serious | May 25 18:30 |
| schestowitz | The man called the fossil after his daughter in Oslo | May 25 18:30 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, And Ida? Ida was a very innocent lemur which is not resting in peace, how do you people use her rust skeleton to falsely prove your silly hoax? | May 25 18:30 |
| schestowitz | http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/ kde3 forked | May 25 18:31 |
| MinceR | interesting. a lemur with skeleton made of hydrated iron(III)oxides and iron(III) oxide-hydroxide, instead of mainly calcium carbonate? | May 25 18:31 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: finally something interesting :) | May 25 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: which "hoax"? | May 25 18:32 |
| Omar87 | They've been studying "unique" fossils for more than a hundred years now. What's so special? | May 25 18:32 |
| schestowitz | The date of the fossil can be determined accurately | May 25 18:32 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Darwinsm, false evolution. | May 25 18:32 |
| schestowitz | What is Darwinism? | May 25 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Explain | May 25 18:33 |
| schestowitz | You say it like it's a religion | May 25 18:33 |
| schestowitz | There's this man who wrote a paper on what he saw as a possible explanation for the diversity of species, that's all. He wasn't quite the first | May 25 18:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Webwereld: Microsoft's FUD-O-RAMA site. Vreemd dat sommige geeks dat nog lezen. Kan je net zo goed met je voeten op tafel bij Ruud de Jonge | May 25 18:35 | |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Yeah. But, freakily, his hoax was very appreciated by some people, and they, for some reason, do not even accept to negotiate it. | May 25 18:35 |
| MinceR | "do not accept to negotiate it" | May 25 18:36 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I'm not treating it like some kind of religion, its advocates are. | May 25 18:36 |
| MinceR | why does this sound so familiar to me? | May 25 18:36 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, it's been more than a year since Ida was discovered? Why haven't many books pictured it yet? | May 25 18:37 |
| MinceR | scraping the bottom of the barrel now! | May 25 18:38 |
| schestowitz | [18:36] <Omar87> schestowitz, I'm not treating it like some kind of religion, its advocates are. | May 25 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Some people might jokingly do so, they are not respresntative | May 25 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Richard Stallman too has a parody about religion | May 25 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Where he is the "saint" | May 25 18:39 |
| MinceR | "Darwinism" isn't even a good name for the science of evolution | May 25 18:39 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Richard Stallman? Are you kidding? | May 25 18:39 |
| schestowitz | stallmanism :) | May 25 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Richard would like that | May 25 18:39 |
| MinceR | Church of Emacs | May 25 18:39 |
| *schestowitz bows to Dick Stallman | May 25 18:39 | |
| schestowitz | :-/ | May 25 18:39 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, man.. You're really funny. :D | May 25 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, I'll take that as a compliment | May 25 18:42 |
| *schestowitz is sarcastic in that last line | May 25 18:42 | |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, you don't have to take as anything. | May 25 18:43 |
| Omar87 | take it* | May 25 18:43 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, anyways. | May 25 18:43 |
| schestowitz | I was just joking of course | May 25 18:43 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I really wish we could have Jan Wildeboer at Amman TT next week. | May 25 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, Ida helps us understand the linkages better | May 25 18:43 |
| schestowitz | It's an important fossil which was scanned (3D) and catalogued a lot for future use by researchers | May 25 18:44 |
| Omar87 | Too bad he didn't reply to me invitation. He didn't even decline it. :-( | May 25 18:44 |
| schestowitz | The mainstream media cares about who Tiger Woods sticks his pecker in, not science like fossils, so your assertion there does not falsify the importance of the finding | May 25 18:44 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, It's just a bunch of lifeless bones. Just like Ardi and Lucy. | May 25 18:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post | Why Do Footballers Need Warned? | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/2bhcgth | May 25 18:45 | |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz, Good luck in your endeavor at proving the silliest theory ever. :-) | May 25 18:45 |
| schestowitz | I don't need to prove it, others did, many times, with different methods | May 25 18:45 |
| MinceR | hm | May 25 18:45 |
| schestowitz | DNA is probably the strongest | May 25 18:45 |
| MinceR | the mainstream media didn't report about the Qur'an, therefore it's all false! | May 25 18:45 |
| *MinceR wins | May 25 18:46 | |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, did they really? | May 25 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: pick a book on DNA | May 25 18:46 |
| MinceR | Flawless Victory. | May 25 18:46 |
| schestowitz | It's good reading | May 25 18:46 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, DNA? Where did DNA come from? | May 25 18:46 |
| schestowitz | [18:45] <MinceR> the mainstream media didn't report about the Qur'an, therefore it's all false! | May 25 18:46 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, probability made it, right? | May 25 18:46 |
| schestowitz | They'd receive death threats if they tried | May 25 18:46 |
| MinceR | lol | May 25 18:46 |
| schestowitz | I mean, if they did things like add pictures of descriptions | May 25 18:46 |
| MinceR | yeah, from all those peaceful muslims | May 25 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Which BTW, is done by the scriptures too | May 25 18:47 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Oh, dear.. :) | May 25 18:47 |
| schestowitz | They do depict the appearance of Mohammed in the Muslin scriptures | May 25 18:47 |
| schestowitz | *lim | May 25 18:47 |
| MinceR | it's text | May 25 18:47 |
| Omar87 | Man.. You people are very piteous. No offense. | May 25 18:47 |
| MinceR | so what mainstream media needs to do is show hex dumps of caricatures of Muhammad | May 25 18:47 |
| MinceR | Omar87: you are a poopy head! no offense. | May 25 18:48 |
| MinceR | ;) | May 25 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Or parameters for JPEG wavelength | May 25 18:48 |
| schestowitz | They can be read and perceived visually.... a rather perverse idea | May 25 18:48 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, So, where did DNA come from again? | May 25 18:48 |
| MinceR | or SVG of the traced versions or line art originals | May 25 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: it didn't "come from" something | May 25 18:49 |
| schestowitz | It replicates itself | May 25 18:49 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, from nothing? | May 25 18:49 |
| schestowitz | And it evolves over time | May 25 18:49 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, where did the first DNA come from? | May 25 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Good mutations propagate, bad ones die | May 25 18:49 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, nothing replicated itself into something? | May 25 18:49 |
| schestowitz | You can write a computer program to emulate it | May 25 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Write one gig of 1s and 0s | May 25 18:49 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, how can you say that a mutation is a good one or not? | May 25 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Describe some pattern as desirable | May 25 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Then start a run and add small random noise upon replication | May 25 18:50 |
| schestowitz | See what happens over time | May 25 18:50 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, You're not answering my question. Where did the first DNA come from? | May 25 18:50 |
| schestowitz | [18:50] <Omar87> schestowitz, how can you say that a mutation is a good one or not? | May 25 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Depends on the environment/conditions | May 25 18:50 |
| schestowitz | E.g. Earth's temperature at the given time | May 25 18:50 |
| schestowitz | If ice ages, then fur is a good trait | May 25 18:51 |
| schestowitz | If living in a dessert, it's not | May 25 18:51 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I'm not talking about that. | May 25 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: did you read about life created in a lab? | May 25 18:51 |
| schestowitz | It was in the news this month | May 25 18:51 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I'm talking about how you judge it to be good or not? | May 25 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Major breakthrough | May 25 18:51 |
| schestowitz | It's reported poorly, but still, it was a mileston | May 25 18:51 |
| MinceR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis | May 25 18:52 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz, Which one? The lump of meat? | May 25 18:52 |
| schestowitz | biogenesis is possible given the vast oceans with motion of molecules over hundreds of millions of years | May 25 18:52 |
| MinceR | it's sad to see that someone who has access to so much information free of charge, readily searchably is so ignorant and closed-minded | May 25 18:52 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Yes. I've read it. And it was the best comedy thing I've read in years. | May 25 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Ooops... biopoesis | May 25 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: it's not comedy | May 25 18:53 |
| MinceR | apparently everything one does not understand is comedy | May 25 18:53 |
| schestowitz | It's not even explained in these terms | May 25 18:53 |
| MinceR | or maybe it's just a way of dismissing everything he learned in kindergarten | May 25 18:53 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, It's ludibrium? | May 25 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Comedy or sarcasm is when your brain expectation model is tickled a little | May 25 18:54 |
| schestowitz | You expect one thing, you see the opposite, then your face muscle change to make a smile or even pant to giggle | May 25 18:54 |
| MinceR | hm, i wonder if XPM-s of caricature of muhammad are permissible | May 25 18:54 |
| schestowitz | It's one of those lesser understood social phenomena humans and some predecessors have | May 25 18:54 |
| MinceR | they look a bit like ascii art | May 25 18:54 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Nope. | May 25 18:55 |
| schestowitz | It's not humour | May 25 18:55 |
| schestowitz | They explain what they found | May 25 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Look at their paper for the studies | May 25 18:55 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Comedy is also when you try to use science in proving nonsense. | May 25 18:55 |
| MinceR | now Omar87 will explain to us what humour is | May 25 18:55 |
| schestowitz | They usually omit the gory details to keep it concise | May 25 18:55 |
| MinceR | lol | May 25 18:55 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, It's called "Schizophrenia". | May 25 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Like how times are measured | May 25 18:56 |
| MinceR | s/ou/u/ | May 25 18:56 |
| MinceR | undo | May 25 18:56 |
| MinceR | s/ou/o/ | May 25 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: but science brought us forward | May 25 18:56 |
| MinceR | and there he goes throwing scientific terms around without understanding them | May 25 18:56 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, did really? | May 25 18:56 |
| schestowitz | It's not comedy that made my CPU 10 times faster than 10 years ago | May 25 18:56 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Science killed millions of people. | May 25 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Which people? | May 25 18:56 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, sure. I agree with. | May 25 18:56 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: tell him to stop using that computer right now, since it couldn't have been built without science | May 25 18:57 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Darwinsts. | May 25 18:57 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: what are they? | May 25 18:57 |
| schestowitz | I know his grandson is still active | May 25 18:57 |
| schestowitz | He's a Darwin | May 25 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Is that what you mean by "Darwinist"? | May 25 18:57 |
| MinceR | the CPU he uses probably relies on quantum mechanics in its design (modern FETs) | May 25 18:57 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Those who believe in nothing but a bunch of scientific speculations and Matheticals equations. | May 25 18:57 |
| schestowitz | They are not speculations | May 25 18:58 |
| schestowitz | They help us understand 'theories' like gravity and stuff | May 25 18:58 |
| schestowitz | They also tell you the weather for tomorrow | May 25 18:58 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, who ludicrously believe that probability brought everything out of nothing., | May 25 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Forecasts of planetary motions | May 25 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Eclipses, etc. | May 25 18:58 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, they are. | May 25 18:58 |
| MinceR | yes, probability | May 25 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Yes, it's maths and equation, and it works | May 25 18:58 |
| MinceR | time to stop using that CPU | May 25 18:58 |
| schestowitz | *tions | May 25 18:58 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, they are also hallucinations. | May 25 18:58 |
| MinceR | since it cannot work! | May 25 18:58 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, You people disgrace science, no offense. | May 25 18:59 |
| schestowitz | How? | May 25 18:59 |
| MinceR | he means "religion" when he says "science". | May 25 18:59 |
| schestowitz | But wait, where did we misrepresent it? And I was polite, too | May 25 18:59 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, but misusing it in proving that probability made something out of nothing. | May 25 18:59 |
| MinceR | no use being polite | May 25 19:00 |
| schestowitz | NOVL4sale: http://blogs.computerworld.com/16176/want_to_buy_a_linux_company | May 25 19:00 |
| MinceR | he'll be just as patronizing as ever | May 25 19:00 |
| Techrights | Title: Want to buy a Linux company? - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 69.69 KB | May 25 19:00 |
| MinceR | and demanding that you respect his bullshit religion | May 25 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: why have you leapt to probability? | May 25 19:00 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, because probability is your god? | May 25 19:00 |
| schestowitz | That's a separate area | May 25 19:00 |
| MinceR | LOL | May 25 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: no | May 25 19:00 |
| MinceR | what a fucking idiot | May 25 19:00 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, it's not. | May 25 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Straw man | May 25 19:00 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, yes it is. | May 25 19:00 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Whatever you say. | May 25 19:01 |
| schestowitz | I don't have a "god" | May 25 19:01 |
| schestowitz | And you personify it... | May 25 19:01 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Oh of course you do. | May 25 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Like darwin as "God", probability as "God" | May 25 19:01 |
| MinceR | oh, now he knows better than you whether you have a god | May 25 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Not everything is a person | May 25 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Is Mars a person too? | May 25 19:01 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I know. | May 25 19:01 |
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| MinceR | that's how a muslim extremist is "polite" | May 25 19:02 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, So, who triggered evolution? | May 25 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Nietzsche wrote about planets as organisms | May 25 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: "who"? | May 25 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Who refers to a person | May 25 19:02 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, okay, then, what? | May 25 19:02 |
| schestowitz | You're back to what we discussed earlier | May 25 19:03 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, can you prove that you exist, professor? | May 25 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Once in a while there is thunder | May 25 19:03 |
| schestowitz | ho triggered the thunder? | May 25 19:03 |
| schestowitz | *Who | May 25 19:03 |
| schestowitz | or what | May 25 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Causality is not something imaginary | May 25 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Pick a book on it | May 25 19:04 |
| MinceR | there's only one book he bothers to read, if at all | May 25 19:04 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, okay. Did evolution teach you to read? | May 25 19:04 |
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| schestowitz | No | May 25 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Human knowledge has 3 components | May 25 19:05 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Probability? | May 25 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Maintenance, preservation, innovation | May 25 19:05 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I'm talking about those. | May 25 19:06 |
| schestowitz | The first is stuff like farming, which sustains society | May 25 19:06 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I'm talking about the reading process. | May 25 19:06 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, who taught it to you? | May 25 19:06 |
| schestowitz | The second is actually more like education | May 25 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Making a literature society | May 25 19:06 |
| schestowitz | So that it can carry on existing knowledge | May 25 19:06 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, You're only stalling. | May 25 19:06 |
| schestowitz | The third propels the next generation forward each generation | May 25 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Old scientists and theoriticians die, young ones replace them | May 25 19:07 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, stalling again? | May 25 19:07 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, okay. | May 25 19:07 |
| schestowitz | So I learned to read as part of stage II, so to speak | May 25 19:07 |
| MinceR | once again, that's how a muslim extremist is "polite" | May 25 19:07 |
| schestowitz | So that I can get information from which to derive new knowledge | May 25 19:07 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, so who taught you to read? | May 25 19:07 |
| schestowitz | The threat to us are those who want to demolish stage II | May 25 19:07 |
| schestowitz | And along with it stage III | May 25 19:07 |
| schestowitz | meaning that we get dumber over time | May 25 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Like post-Greece emancipation Earth | May 25 19:08 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Who's trying to do that? | May 25 19:08 |
| schestowitz | And then they ruin III along with it | May 25 19:08 |
| Omar87 | They who? | May 25 19:08 |
| schestowitz | And we're back to farmer and worshipping a placeholder for what was once known (the Greek understood atoms at a theoretical level) | May 25 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: people who oppose science | May 25 19:09 |
| schestowitz | And I hopefully told you that I learned to read cause we live in a good time | May 25 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Where we make progress each generation | May 25 19:09 |
| schestowitz | We are less violent | May 25 19:09 |
| cubezzz2 | you're never going to resolve the metaphysical arguments | May 25 19:09 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, who opposes science? | May 25 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Deaths are prevented a lot | May 25 19:09 |
| cubezzz2 | concentrate on making a FOSS computer :) | May 25 19:09 |
| schestowitz | And I can learn how to read so that I can participate | May 25 19:10 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz, Are you sure you are less violent? | May 25 19:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:09] <Omar87> schestowitz, who opposes science? | May 25 19:10 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, remember how the US was founded? | May 25 19:10 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz, remember Hiroshima And Nagasaki? | May 25 19:10 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz, Or Gaza? Or Iraq? | May 25 19:10 |
| schestowitz | [18:56] <Omar87> schestowitz, Science killed millions of people. | May 25 19:11 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Or even how Luther King an Malcolm X got killed? | May 25 19:11 |
| MinceR | superstition killed more. | May 25 19:11 |
| schestowitz | [19:10] <Omar87> schestowitz, remember how the US was founded? | May 25 19:11 |
| schestowitz | 18th century | May 25 19:11 |
| schestowitz | [19:10] <Omar87> schestowitz, remember Hiroshima And Nagasaki? | May 25 19:11 |
| schestowitz | 20th century | May 25 19:11 |
| schestowitz | 8 generations apart almost | May 25 19:11 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, So the 12 innocent ppl who got killed are also history? | May 25 19:12 |
| schestowitz | 12? | May 25 19:12 |
| schestowitz | 12 Monkeys? | May 25 19:12 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, the video that was leaked by Wikileaks. | May 25 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Oh, that one, sorry | May 25 19:13 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, Stop being silly, Doctor Roy! | May 25 19:13 |
| schestowitz | What does that have to do with science and US history going back to 18th century though? | May 25 19:13 |
| schestowitz | A man wanted to bomb an SUB in NYT and was topped before killing maybe 120 people | May 25 19:13 |
| schestowitz | These are not historical events | May 25 19:14 |
| schestowitz | They can be catalyst/excuse for other things | May 25 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Like the cause of World War I | May 25 19:14 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, It only proves how modern western civilization is humiliating science. | May 25 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Which then led to WW2 (hyper-inflation for reparations) | May 25 19:14 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, sorry. | May 25 19:14 |
| Omar87 | You've just proved, yet again, how irrational atheism is. :) | May 25 19:15 |
| Omar87 | Talk to you later. | May 25 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | Atheism? Whaaa? | May 25 19:16 |
| MinceR | hm, who's the atheist? | May 25 19:16 |
| schestowitz | Don't know | May 25 19:16 |
| schestowitz | I wasn't talking about religions | May 25 19:16 |
| MinceR | i guess one can expect a religious zealot to not know the difference between atheism and agnosticism; and to confuse science with atheism | May 25 19:17 |
| cubezzz | are we getting dumber though? :) | May 25 19:17 |
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| MinceR | some people are | May 25 19:18 |
| MinceR | less intelligence is needed for survival | May 25 19:18 |
| MinceR | so idiots like Omar87 get to survive | May 25 19:18 |
| schestowitz | These discussions are rare anyway | May 25 19:19 |
| MinceR | to see a forecast of what our future is like (and an explanation thereof), watch the movie Idiocracy | May 25 19:19 |
| schestowitz | I'm not into debates into these issues, I only come across them when watching science material | May 25 19:19 |
| schestowitz | Scientists get heckled by people | May 25 19:19 |
| MinceR | and those people use equipment that was designed and manufactured relying on science to heckle scientists | May 25 19:19 |
| schestowitz | The most polite ones too realise that it's a barrier when people who think the world is 6000 years old lobby for their kids' school to teach lies | May 25 19:20 |
| schestowitz | That's just why it's confrontational | May 25 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Same with Linux | May 25 19:20 |
| MinceR | here we had an idiot using a computer whose design relied on quantum mechanics, among other things, to ridicule quantum mechanics | May 25 19:20 |
| schestowitz | I couldn't give a rat's head [sic] about Windows | May 25 19:20 |
| schestowitz | But the company that makes it is attacking my use of good software | May 25 19:20 |
| schestowitz | So we don't make good companions | May 25 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Like Hovind and Dawkins don't mix | May 25 19:21 |
| cubezzz | open source is better for sure | May 25 19:21 |
| MinceR | such religious zealots attack scientific progress on which my well-being relies | May 25 19:21 |
| schestowitz | One is talking a load of nonsense to gullible masses, one actually works with the scientific community | May 25 19:21 |
| MinceR | they also train terrorists that try to kill me | May 25 19:21 |
| cubezzz | we will have open bios on more and more machines soon | May 25 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Remember that some software companies came from charlatans from marketing who took scientists' work (sometimes literally from trash cans) and perverted them | May 25 19:22 |
| cubezzz | yes | May 25 19:22 |
| MinceR | and one of those companies still dominate the industry | May 25 19:22 |
| cubezzz | marketing is trumping good sense | May 25 19:22 |
| MinceR | s/te/tes/ | May 25 19:22 |
| schestowitz | People are affected by PR | May 25 19:22 |
| schestowitz | They know how to affect people | May 25 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Today I watched some Coke ads | May 25 19:23 |
| schestowitz | I am fascinated by how they build their brand | May 25 19:23 |
| cubezzz | I used to drink coke :) | May 25 19:23 |
| schestowitz | People will pay loads for sugar in tap water | May 25 19:23 |
| cubezzz | not good for your teeth though | May 25 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Because it makes them feel like part of some imaginary community | May 25 19:23 |
| MinceR | it's more than sugar in tap water | May 25 19:23 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, I oversimplify | May 25 19:23 |
| MinceR | water, sugar, acids (for sourness), caramel (for color), coca flavor, other flavors, other coloring agents | May 25 19:24 |
| MinceR | possibly preservatives | May 25 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Cocaine (not anymore) | May 25 19:24 |
| cubezzz | carbonation, don't forget that | May 25 19:24 |
| MinceR | right | May 25 19:24 |
| cubezzz | good if you want to stay awake for days | May 25 19:25 |
| MinceR | oh, i forgot that religious zealots also attack my freedom of speech directly | May 25 19:25 |
| cubezzz | the strangest zealots are the Microsoft ones | May 25 19:27 |
| cubezzz | I think caramel is just heated sugar | May 25 19:27 |
| cubezzz | so Coke is mostly sugar :) | May 25 19:27 |
| MinceR | it is but there isn't a lot of it in there | May 25 19:28 |
| MinceR | remember, it's only a colorant | May 25 19:28 |
| MinceR | and it's mostly water, just like all of our food :> | May 25 19:28 |
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| cubezzz | I think it's corrosive too | May 25 19:29 |
| MinceR | depends on what you're trying to corrode :) | May 25 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Nice. KDE developers who are not guys and also make screencasts: http://chani.wordpress.com/2010/05/24/activities-in-4-5/ | May 25 19:29 |
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| cubezzz | still, it's not really that healthy a drink | May 25 19:29 |
| MinceR | indeed | May 25 19:29 |
| MinceR | btw, we forgot about an important ingredient: caffeine | May 25 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Depends what you mean by healthy :-) | May 25 19:30 |
| schestowitz | In the bible, healthy means fat | May 25 19:30 |
| MinceR | also depends on how much of it you consume, etc. | May 25 19:30 |
| MinceR | 202642 < MinceR> depends on what you're trying to corrode :) | May 25 19:33 |
| MinceR | even water on its own is corrosive | May 25 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Can there be water in the ground around sea level or below? | May 25 19:42 |
| schestowitz | I mean, could we ever increase the amount of water we have on the surface without importing from other planets? (I think many in our system, even most of them, have some water.. or maybe their moons) | May 25 19:43 |
| schestowitz | ANd water is one of the most abundant materials in the universe too | May 25 19:43 |
| MinceR | i'm not so sure about that | May 25 19:45 |
| MinceR | but we could import H2 and oxygen in some form, i guess | May 25 19:46 |
| MinceR | with sufficient energy, we could extract both H and O from local non-water compounds | May 25 19:46 |
| MinceR | whether it's worth the costs is another question :> | May 25 19:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] project idea for #olpc - http://code.google.com/p/braingames/wiki/Description (need volunteer) (only basic javascript knowledge needed) | May 25 19:49 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/air-force-set-fly-mach-6-scramjet | May 25 19:58 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: it's not about costs | May 25 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Not monetary ones anyway | May 25 19:58 |
| schestowitz | A friend of mine asked today about $$$$ damage from BP's 'little' 'accident' | May 25 19:59 |
| MinceR | there are huge energy costs though | May 25 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 25 19:59 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/2300-11386_3-10003532.html | May 25 20:14 |
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| schestowitz | So fast your body does who-knows-what | May 25 20:14 |
| schestowitz | "Beyond supersonic speeds lies the realm of the hypersonic--faster than Mach 5.0, or in somewhat more down-to-earth terms, in excess of just under 4,000 miles per hour." | May 25 20:14 |
| schestowitz | http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2010/05/webm-vp8-safe-and-royalty-free.html | May 25 20:21 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/33501170 "Quit #Facebook Day is #May_31. quitfacebookday.com Please spread the word! !fs !fsf !gnu !lp !gnug !gnu" | May 25 20:23 |
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| schestowitz | wb, enthymeme | May 25 20:23 |
| enthymeme | thanks schestowitz | May 25 20:25 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Running preupgrade to gain #fedora 13 without reinstall. | May 25 20:32 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/05/twitter-subpoena-2/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20wired27b%20%28Blog%20-%2027B%20Stroke%206%20%28Threat%20Level%29%29 | May 25 20:32 |
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| enthymeme | PA AG Comes to Senses, Withdraws Dick Move Before it is Too Late: "Ship has Sailed," Say Critics. | May 25 20:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Child gun deaths are not just an urban USA problem. Trade in death continues. http://is.gd/coX2x | May 25 20:45 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODI4Mg | May 25 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........ | May 25 21:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Ida, the Darwinist's latest hoax. They can try to deceive our minds, but they shall NOT deceive our souls! http://youtu.be/aEjGmuF8Lsk | May 25 21:03 | |
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| MinceR | more creationist bullshit, streamed straight to BN | May 25 21:04 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Left vs Right http://ur1.ca/03e7n | May 25 21:07 | |
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| schestowitz | Nice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugV6cLgwomo | May 25 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: see what omar id doing up there...... | May 25 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Oh, wait. You responded | May 25 21:11 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-XIMEHGoZI | May 25 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | We'll push this one to omar later... http://www.youtube.com/user/NonStampCollector#p/f/2/dxdgCxK4VUA | May 25 21:15 |
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| MinceR | you can't show the world to the person who refuses to open his eyes. | May 25 21:23 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] humankind is rapidly winning war on our environment. #Deforestation & giant dams prove that we can totally destroy country-sized ecosystems. | May 25 21:42 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #oilspill shows that we now have this capability in the oceans. We are doomed. If there is a god she'd better show up soon. | May 25 21:43 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 she left us to believe in a masculine one | May 25 21:45 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULLHYmz98P0 | May 25 21:47 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Deforestation & dams quickly+permanently destroy country-sized ecosystems-what #oilspill is achieving in the oceans. #amazon #belomonte #bp | May 25 21:48 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlPPFcy-3Vo&NR=1 | May 25 21:49 |
| Techrights | Title: YouTube- BP Gulf Oil Spill Leak Plume Gusher Disaster Video .::. Size~: 92.05 KB | May 25 21:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] If Gnome Shell becomes the default in GNOME. It's defiantly bye bye for Gnome @ml2mst. Use KDE and Gnome concurrently now. | May 25 21:49 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Amazing to think that just a few weeks ago we were fretting about the Gulf of Mexico Dead Zone. That was just a warm-up... #bp #gulfspill | May 25 21:49 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @qu1j0t3 #Deforestation & dams quickly+permanently destroy country-sized ecosystems-what #oilspill is achieving in the oceans. | May 25 21:50 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Gnome Shell is a Novell Slab menu on Steroids IMO. No idea what people like about the POS. | May 25 21:53 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgwdNqedwh0&feature=related | May 25 22:03 |
| Techrights | Title: YouTube- Entombing DeepWater Horizon Oil Spill Forever .::. Size~: 94.76 KB | May 25 22:03 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn2Tyh6b5dE&NR=1 ('Drill Baby Drill' Vs. Oil Spill) | May 25 22:11 | |
| Techrights | Title: YouTube- Palin's 'Drill Baby Drill' Vs. Oil Spill .::. Size~: 109.23 KB | May 25 22:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "It's like burlesque but it's included." | May 25 22:12 | |
| enthymeme | creationists? in MY #boycottnovell? It's more likely than you think. | May 25 22:13 |
| MinceR | sadly, indeed it is moar liekly | May 25 22:14 |
| MinceR | gn | May 25 22:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjuvJclaxv8 | May 25 22:20 |
| Techrights | Title: YouTube- BP should be in JAIL not in CHARGE! Louisiana SCREAMING for Obama to take lead! .::. Size~: 102.03 KB | May 25 22:20 |
| schestowitz | enthymeme: yeah, well... | May 25 22:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzEntQPr9OA&NR=1 | May 25 22:27 |
| Techrights | Title: YouTube- Bobby Jindal lousiana governor BP oil spill .::. Size~: 95.41 KB | May 25 22:27 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Everything in the World is Connected to #GNU #Linux http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/The-World-Brought-to-You-by-Linux-70058.html | May 25 23:07 | |
| Techrights | Title: Welcome to LinuxInsider .::. Size~: 3.16 KB | May 25 23:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux in the Mainstream Materialises in Unexpected Ways http://linusearch.com/wordpress/?p=912 | May 25 23:09 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat 's CEO Talks About Profit From Software Freedom http://opensource.com/business/10/5/show-me-money | May 25 23:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Produces Profitable Businesses http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=1564 | May 25 23:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Rolling Stone magazine gave the magnetic fields album 69 love songs 60% in a review and compared it to the work of OMD, bloody peasants. | May 25 23:11 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Going to bed before I get angry at people being ultra-wrong on the ayatana mailing list. | May 25 23:12 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Amused that someone set up http://is.gd/cp5nn | May 25 23:14 | |
| Techrights | Title: Jono Bacon | Facebook .::. Size~: 44.49 KB | May 25 23:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] I know this will be to the chagrin of my Open Source homies, but I want an iPad. Can anyone hook me up with one? ;-) | May 25 23:15 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Centre for Job Seekers Runs #GNU #Linux http://www.pressconnects.com/article/20100524/BUSINESS/5240339/1108/Center-opens-for-job-seekers | May 25 23:16 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Computers With #GNU #Linux Built From Old Components http://ur1.ca/03f0q http://ur1.ca/03f0r http://ur1.ca/03f0t | May 25 23:16 | |
| Techrights | Title: Center opens for job seekers | pressconnects.com | Press & Sun-Bulletin .::. Size~: 48.49 KB | May 25 23:16 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jonobacon also your Free software "homies" (set an example...) | May 25 23:17 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Just to be completely clear, I am not moving to the "dark side", I still love Ubuntu and Free Software, I just want to own an iPad. :-) | May 25 23:20 | |
| _goblin_ | Back from work..... | May 25 23:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Back from work.... :) | May 25 23:28 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] @jonobacon Pfft, come on over to the dark side, the water's lovely! | May 25 23:32 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Ubuntu Control Center (http://is.gd/cp6nd) sounds like a really great project! :-) #ubuntu | May 25 23:32 | |
| Techrights | Title: Ubuntu Control Centre project aims to make System config simple | OMG! Ubuntu! .::. Size~: 62.9 KB | May 25 23:32 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Indeed folks, I would be definitely down for giving the Dell Streak a run too. :-) | May 25 23:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Linux #Benchmarks and Why They Sometimes Lack Accuracy/Meaning http://ur1.ca/03f60 http://ur1.ca/03f61 | May 25 23:40 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Chani From #KDE Produces Nice New 4.5 Video Demo; Qt's Knut Yrvin a TV Superstar http://ur1.ca/03fdw http://ur1.ca/03fdx | May 25 23:53 | |
| Techrights | Title: Activities in 4.5 « ChaniBlog .::. Size~: 59.04 KB | May 25 23:53 |
| Techrights | Title: Qt's Knut Yrvin in Norway's Got Talent Final | KDE.news .::. Size~: 11.58 KB | May 25 23:53 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE SC's Rekonq, KMail Developer, Camp KDE, Fork http://ur1.ca/03feu http://ur1.ca/03fev http://ur1.ca/03few http://ur1.ca/03fex | May 25 23:54 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Victory GNOME/GTK Theme, #GNOME Shell, and GNOME 3.0 http://ur1.ca/03ffq http://ur1.ca/03ffr http://ur1.ca/03fft | May 25 23:56 | |
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