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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Giving Handbrake a look now.... | May 26 00:03 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jonobacon try #wetab or #joojoo | May 26 00:09 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Release of #Slackware 13.1, Screenshots http://ur1.ca/03fjh http://ur1.ca/03fji | May 26 00:12 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora #GNU #Linux 13 is Coming Out http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODI4MQ | May 26 00:17 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Sadly, #fedora 13 doesn't solve my misterious issue with kvm oh well, at least a newer firefox /me shrugs... | May 26 00:37 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Watching yet another programme about Tate Modern that does not leave the turbine hall, perhaps they should just close the rest of it. | May 26 00:59 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] I'm beginning to wonder whether Superman is actually going to show up. #gulfspill | May 26 01:07 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Anybody who's sleeping peacefully through this #oil catastrophe really has not been paying attention. How are you sleeping, Mr Hayward? #bp | May 26 01:47 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] & when you're done cleaning the Gulf, put #Iraq back together. #kthxbai | May 26 01:50 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @haydnandrew RT @nickjfrost It's a shame the #BBC don't transmit Chelsea flower show in HD // also, #firstworldproblems | May 26 01:59 | |
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| yuhong | Quiz: What proprietary compression format was commonly used on the Mac for more than a decade? | May 26 02:07 |
| yuhong | It isn't common now. | May 26 02:07 |
| SuborbitalPigeon | stuff it | May 26 02:07 |
| yuhong | Yes. | May 26 02:08 |
| yuhong | .sit or Stuffit. | May 26 02:08 |
| SuborbitalPigeon | you could say stuffit was stuffe | May 26 02:08 |
| SuborbitalPigeon | hence why I put the space in | May 26 02:08 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@Melyssa_MODELO Uh oh someone wit a car like mines I bout to be side by side wit me. // pls tell me u aren't #tweeting and #driving | May 26 02:51 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@whisper1111 live video of top kill? u know it's shoving dirt down a tube right? yawn //yeah but the future of life on earth may ride on it | May 26 02:55 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/05/25/1956222 '#Windows 7 is simply not the right operating system for a slate' (or anything) | May 26 02:57 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Can't help giggling every time I see the "We love freedom of choice" bleating on #Adobe-the-grand-#monopoly's home page. #flash | May 26 03:05 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@Shoq I thought @twitter blocked clone characters. That was old #AOL nonsense. //have to reinvent everything. but #unicode makes it tougher | May 26 03:22 | |
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| DaemonFC | $4,300 fine for every barrel of oil spilled? | May 26 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | no wonder BP is trying to cover up how big the spill is | May 26 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | the government should just seize all of the company's US-based assets | May 26 04:09 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 26 04:09 |
| DaemonFC | even at that fine rate, BP would owe more money than the government can seize | May 26 04:09 |
| DaemonFC | I should move to Michigan, schestowitz | May 26 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | they have medical marijuana now, I could find a doctor who is treating my bipolar disorder with it | May 26 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | instead of giving me expensive toxic patented drugs | May 26 04:13 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-china-suicides-20100526,0,2476686.story | May 26 04:17 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Foxconn | May 26 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | those people were probably making Apple hardware | May 26 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Apple = Patent troll that subcontracts labor out to countries where slave labor is legal and if someone commits suicide, there's 100 more where he came from. | May 26 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | Why do hippies prefer Apple? It stands in contrast to everything they claim to believe in :) | May 26 04:22 |
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| *DaemonFC is nicely buzzed | May 26 04:43 | |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 26 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | yay beer! | May 26 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | it's sad that I have to bribe myself to do household chores | May 26 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | but if not for that, nothing would get done | May 26 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | and the house *does* smell nicer | May 26 04:48 |
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| DaemonFC | "Barton's death is the county's first homicide this year." | May 26 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | (unless you count that old woman that was murdered then towed into the county and then dumped in the lake) | May 26 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | I hate our newspaper | May 26 05:06 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I can't tell ppl not to watch #Worldcup2010, but I gotta tell them: "Just remember the sacked and plundered ppl just a stone throw away." | May 26 05:41 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Ugh, early-o-clock. | May 26 05:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @GreeGreece usual lies from Friedman http://tinyurl.com/35s3hzu // astonishing chutzpah to talk about Brazilian history *koff* #CIA | May 26 06:17 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] inserting animated gif images pdfs files for e-learning text books is a good idea #idea #desktop-recording #elearning | May 26 06:18 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @GreeGreece usual lies from Friedman http://tinyurl.com/35s3hzu //offensive to claim any high ground on 'democracy' in South America #CIA | May 26 06:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] Finally got around to getting Opera Mini 5 on my new phone, I've had just about enough of that damned Webkit piece of crap that came with it | May 26 06:20 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @EmergentOrder RT @brynrk RT @AudreyHuntley #G8/#G20 security bill to hit $833 mil http://bit.ly/dlhkhA // that is ABSURD! #HarperMustGo | May 26 06:33 | |
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| MinceR | the czech republic is in the death grip of b$a >> http://www.abclinuxu.cz/clanky/mfcr-bsa-open-source?page=1 | May 26 06:39 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Since flashing my HTC Hero to Android 2.1 (Vanilladroid ROM) I've noticed a speed up. Less likely to want a phone upgrade now :) | May 26 06:44 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Kubuntu Netbook Edition 10.04 Reviewed, A Look at Kubuntu http://ur1.ca/03hxy http://ur1.ca/03hxz #gnu #linux | May 26 06:45 | |
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| MinceR | s/r/banana r/ | May 26 06:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Made to Power Sprinkler Systems, More http://ur1.ca/03hyn http://ur1.ca/03hyo | May 26 06:47 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Routing With #Linux and the Australian Authorities http://ur1.ca/03hyx http://ur1.ca/03hyy | May 26 06:49 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Perspective on the Role of #FreeSoftware for Medium Businesses http://ur1.ca/03i3a | May 26 07:07 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Almost Half a Billion People Browse the Net With #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/03i3s | May 26 07:09 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: It's almost unbelievable that IE persists, especially IE 6 | May 26 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | I remember beta testing IE 6 along with Windows XP as far back as late 1999 | May 26 07:11 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 26 07:11 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Finally! Tomboy now syncs on my work Windows PC! Now all my computers are in sync. Phew! | May 26 07:28 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Quite enjoying the non-sense (that looks wrong) Android 2.1 interface on my HTC Hero. | May 26 07:49 | |
| schestowitz | Tomboy... Windows... Mono... CLOUD.... Blech | May 26 07:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] nice exposure on fake Ankit - http://tutorial.web4all.in/archives/fsf-friends/2006-April/004002.html | May 26 07:57 | |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/noneway/statuses/14732893745 | May 26 07:57 |
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| schestowitz | "Boycott Samsung" | May 26 07:57 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: thanks for the link | May 26 07:59 |
| MinceR | np | May 26 08:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cT2UAr2jdI&NR=1 | May 26 08:11 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Eek! How was I not subscribed to @donmcallister's blog. Fixed. | May 26 08:24 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Canonical Adds #Skype (Proprietary Software) to the #Ubuntu Repository http://ur1.ca/03ipp Potentially dangerous step | May 26 08:36 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Has Come Very Far on the Desktop, Works Better Than #Windows http://ur1.ca/03ipr http://ur1.ca/03bni | May 26 08:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] @schestowitz No, they haven't. Canonical added Skype to the Canonical _partner_ repo, not the Ubuntu repo. | May 26 08:42 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Experienced Linux Engineer required for OS Migration at Delhi - http://bit.ly/a8DYCe | May 26 08:51 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] I am missing 3 day conference at Kochi - http://public-software-centre.org/node/9 because of bed-rest #foss #public #software | May 26 08:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Servers Save London Stock Exchange Huge Amount http://ur1.ca/03ix2 | May 26 09:09 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Asus Continues to Sell #GNU #Linux http://gadgetmix.com/index/asus-linux-netbooks/ http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/05/21/lost-sheep/ | May 26 09:12 | |
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| tessier | Good for the bunker. | May 26 09:19 |
| tessier | oops | May 26 09:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Just spotted this great internet alias "Colonel Panik" | May 26 09:23 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #NVIDIA 256 Beta Linux Driver; Why #VIA Fails http://ur1.ca/03j2u http://ur1.ca/03j2v http://ur1.ca/03j2w http://ur1.ca/03j2x | May 26 09:27 | |
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| Techrights | Title: [Phoronix] How VIA Could Have Not Screwed Its Linux Chances .::. Size~: 24.99 KB | May 26 09:27 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @popey I will add a correction, tell phoronix to do the same (that's where it came from) | May 26 09:28 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Pine Users Get Cone for Mail http://sourceforge.net/blog/retro-mail-client-cone-has-some-modern-features/ | May 26 09:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft and MPEG-LA Called “Patent Trolls”, Antitrust Complaint Filed http://bit.ly/cUge2A | May 26 09:35 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @schestowitz #GNU #Linux Servers Save London Stock Exchange "at least £10 million annually"! http://ur1.ca/03ix2 | May 26 09:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@scottEweinberg Whoever coined the phrase "you can't polish a turd" clearly never tried. You totally can. // a movie reviewer would know! | May 26 09:48 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Need a displayport to VGA/DVI/HDMI adapter for macbookpro. Anything to watch out for? Reasons not to get a cheapo one? http://bit.ly/cNAtD5 | May 26 10:10 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Microsoft continues it doublethink "Interoperability Principles" http://is.gd/cpFvz | May 26 10:12 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @satipera #Microsoft PR touts "Interoperability" http://is.gd/cpFvz //hilarious to see monopolists blathering about 'competition&choice' | May 26 10:17 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Wine Approaches 1.2 Release http://www.winehq.org/announce/1.2-rc1 | May 26 10:25 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Google's Proprietary #Chrome Should be Replaced by #Chromium http://ur1.ca/03jg7 http://ur1.ca/03jg9 | May 26 10:25 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz I'm using Chromium (Ubuntu daily PPA) right now. Even on a netbook it's made of win. | May 26 10:29 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] MPEG-LA/H.264, Apple, and Microsoft appear to be the only prominent opponents of #WebM /#VP8 http://ur1.ca/03ji1 | May 26 10:33 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Republican Party/Fox Viewership are a bunch of racist fucks http://ur1.ca/03jiz | May 26 10:42 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Hurricanes cleaned up lead-laden New Orleans http://ur1.ca/03jj3 !science | May 26 10:42 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Resending @schestowitz: Why Google's Proprietary #Chrome Should be Replaced by #Chromium http://ur1.ca/03jg7 http://ur1.ca/03jg9 | May 26 10:57 | |
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| Techrights | Title: Just how popular is Chrome/ium on Linux? answer: Very | OMG! Ubuntu! .::. Size~: 68.86 KB | May 26 10:57 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Running DeVeDe 3.16.8 for a feature on Openbytes. Very impressed so far. #linux #foss #gnu #free #dvd | May 26 10:58 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenSUSE should start considering independent life outside #Novell http://ur1.ca/03jna #microsoft #oracle | May 26 11:00 | |
| Techrights | Title: Why Novell is the Next Sun and OpenSUSE Should be Forked | Techrights .::. Size~: 95.67 KB | May 26 11:00 |
| oiaohm | Really I don't care of OpenSuse dies. schestowitz | May 26 11:00 |
| oiaohm | We are over due for a distribution death. | May 26 11:01 |
| MinceR | i hope *suse dies. | May 26 11:01 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: what do you mean? | May 26 11:04 |
| schestowitz | It can't due | May 26 11:04 |
| schestowitz | *die | May 26 11:04 |
| schestowitz | Some distros 'dies' and then reappear years later | May 26 11:05 |
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| schestowitz | They get the latest packages | May 26 11:05 |
| MinceR | it has become an attack on FLOSS and GNU/Linux and thus it's a liability | May 26 11:05 |
| schestowitz | It would be bad if a desktop environment or X or Linux died | May 26 11:05 |
| MinceR | we're better off without them | May 26 11:05 |
| schestowitz | Distros are like 'meta packages' | May 26 11:05 |
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| bogdanbiv | Hello! | May 26 11:06 |
| _goblin | hello | May 26 11:06 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: but you can have the Nuremberg create a new distro | May 26 11:06 |
| schestowitz | Hi, bogdanbiv | May 26 11:06 |
| MinceR | who's Nuremberg? | May 26 11:06 |
| MinceR | there are hundreds of distros out there that do a better job than *suse ever did | May 26 11:07 |
| MinceR | why bother? | May 26 11:07 |
| bogdanbiv | Could someone translate MPEGLA's president words about a pool against WebM from his English to Simple English? | May 26 11:07 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: also, if users turned away from every edition of Microsoft Linux, that would send a clear message to anyone considering to make a patent deal with m$ | May 26 11:08 |
| bogdanbiv | I.e. he uses "marketplace uncertainties regarding patent licensing". | May 26 11:08 |
| MinceR | bogdanbiv: that sounds like "we're FUDding about patents" | May 26 11:08 |
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| MinceR | fabricating uncertainties is pretty much the definition of FUD | May 26 11:09 |
| MinceR | especially when the offender is a company that's supposed to _know_ these things with certainty | May 26 11:09 |
| bogdanbiv | So it's uncertainties that they produce themselves? Or does he mean that Google somehow produces uncertainties? | May 26 11:09 |
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| oiaohm | The issue is MPEGLA developers kinda worked out what V8 really is. | May 26 11:09 |
| oiaohm | Now are pissed. | May 26 11:10 |
| MinceR | MPEG LA has the resources to find out whether WebM and VP8 infringes or does not infringe | May 26 11:10 |
| MinceR | so if they're talking about uncertainty, that's clearly FUD | May 26 11:10 |
| oiaohm | Basically H264 and VP8 are basically the same codec. | May 26 11:10 |
| MinceR | they most likely know that it does not infringe | May 26 11:10 |
| MinceR | if they knew that it does, they'd say so | May 26 11:10 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: no | May 26 11:10 |
| oiaohm | Only one catch VP8 is all the expired patent bits. | May 26 11:10 |
| schestowitz | Don't mix copyright with patents | May 26 11:10 |
| schestowitz | Software patents don't count, unless you live in JJ (Japan, Hesusland) | May 26 11:11 |
| MinceR | or you intend to deal with someone who lives in JJ | May 26 11:11 |
| MinceR | which covers most of the industry | May 26 11:11 |
| schestowitz | They don't | May 26 11:11 |
| schestowitz | Jesusland does some R&D | May 26 11:11 |
| MinceR | so they do count, but they count differently -- and if you accept that your work won't be legally usable in JJ, you can still ignore them | May 26 11:12 |
| schestowitz | Japan does too | May 26 11:12 |
| schestowitz | Manufacturing is done in places like China | May 26 11:12 |
| MinceR | there are a lot of customers/users in both countries | May 26 11:12 |
| schestowitz | Europe has a large market for sales | May 26 11:12 |
| MinceR | and a lot of hosting servers | May 26 11:12 |
| bogdanbiv | Uh, Jesusland? what country is that? | May 26 11:12 |
| MinceR | (SourceForge, for example) | May 26 11:12 |
| MinceR | bogdanbiv: USA | May 26 11:12 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: it's a joke here sometimes | May 26 11:12 |
| MinceR | one of the most prominent mainstream fundamentalist countries in the world | May 26 11:12 |
| schestowitz | The religion of software patents | May 26 11:12 |
| schestowitz | Where everything is "IP" | May 26 11:12 |
| schestowitz | The US system is where swpats are exported from | May 26 11:13 |
| schestowitz | And we need to push back against it right now | May 26 11:13 |
| MinceR | also, as far as software goes, R&D is pretty much all the work | May 26 11:13 |
| schestowitz | DMCA and ACTA too | May 26 11:13 |
| MinceR | manufacturing is copying, electronic distribution and/or production of storage media | May 26 11:13 |
| bogdanbiv | DMCA deals with patents too? | May 26 11:13 |
| schestowitz | Not directly | May 26 11:14 |
| schestowitz | You could relate that to codecs, which are patented | May 26 11:14 |
| bogdanbiv | So by using copyright on a patented software they sneak patents into DMCA notices? | May 26 11:15 |
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| bogdanbiv | I feel so naive. | May 26 11:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft left further behind in advertising now that the AdMob acquisition is approved http://bit.ly/dpmd73 | May 26 11:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at Puppy #Linux and #Puppy Arcade 8 http://ur1.ca/03jrp http://ur1.ca/03jrr http://ur1.ca/03jrt | May 26 11:21 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Brilliant news Microsoft Jack Schofield is leaving the Guardians technology section/ whole paper. | May 26 11:21 | |
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| bogdanbiv | Interesting strategy: MPEGLA gathers patents and while racketing companies and users member companies don't get counter-sued. | May 26 11:29 |
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| schestowitz | http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoogleChromehttp://identi.ca/notice/33624840 "Chrome has h.264 decoder included, Chromium not. And there are more diffs." | May 26 11:32 |
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| schestowitz | [11:15] <bogdanbiv> So by using copyright on a patented software they sneak patents into DMCA notices? | May 26 11:32 |
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| schestowitz | Not quite. Well, they basically try to prevent messing about with media that contains nasty codecs | May 26 11:33 |
| schestowitz | So if I buy a CD and want to re-encode that as Ogg I commit a "crime" | May 26 11:33 |
| schestowitz | DMCA says I can't break the DRM shackles of a patents-ridden format | May 26 11:33 |
| schestowitz | COpyright law alone just says I can't make a copy for a neighbour | May 26 11:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] The Guardian should re run some of Jack Schofield's most sycophantic Microsoft pieces as a farewell tribute. | May 26 11:34 | |
| bogdanbiv | What's sycophantic? | May 26 11:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @satipera Brilliant news Microsoft Jack Schofield is leaving the Guardians technology section/ whole paper. #MicrosoftJack | May 26 11:35 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right, getting ready for work......another day, another dollar.... | May 26 11:35 | |
| schestowitz | mpegla is like a submarine | May 26 11:35 |
| bogdanbiv | [13:32] <bogdanbiv> What's sycophantic? Found out: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sycophantic | May 26 11:36 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @satipera The Guardian should re run some of Jack Schofield's most sycophantic Microsoft pieces as a farewell tribute. #MicrosoftJack | May 26 11:36 | |
| schestowitz | They tell you to use their wonderful tools but only come to the surface and torpedo companies like Canonical when it's "payback time" | May 26 11:36 |
| bogdanbiv | There was someone saying that tech companies won't go against other tech companies, fearing the MutualAssuredDistruction this would entail; MPEGLA proves this can be done... | May 26 11:38 |
| schestowitz | They are not much of a company | May 26 11:39 |
| schestowitz | And Larry Horn is a patent troll | May 26 11:40 |
| schestowitz | He has a 'side firm' | May 26 11:40 |
| schestowitz | NPE | May 26 11:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] First #BECTA, now #MicrosoftJack. So Santa *did* listen this year | May 26 11:40 | |
| schestowitz | non-practicing entity | May 26 11:40 |
| MinceR | that is, if Canonical will be on our side by then and not theirs | May 26 11:40 |
| MinceR | i have my doubts | May 26 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Canonical 'licenses' software patents | May 26 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they were pushed into it | May 26 11:40 |
| schestowitz | But someone mailed me in 2007 to say Mark Shuttleworth spoke to Microsoft about codecs | May 26 11:41 |
| schestowitz | Why not MPEG-LALA? | May 26 11:41 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] EPA can make BP pay. Sign our petition to @lisajackson & help block billions in BP federal contracts. http://bit.ly/brCXgc | May 26 11:42 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @diablod3 EPA can make BP pay. Sign our petition to @lisajackson & help block billions in BP federal contracts. http://bit.ly/brCXgc | May 26 11:44 | |
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| bogdanbiv | Oh my, I thought MPEG only has 'a pool' on a few video codec patents... | May 26 11:44 |
| bogdanbiv | I just visited their site: they cover many things from "Chemical through ECommerce to wireless" | May 26 11:45 |
| MinceR | Nero has a few words about those "few" codec patents too | May 26 11:46 |
| oiaohm | Few is a nice understatement. | May 26 11:46 |
| oiaohm | A few thousand. | May 26 11:46 |
| MinceR | that's my point. :> | May 26 11:47 |
| bogdanbiv | I followed earlier a link to a LAW.com article about Nero's antitrust lawsuit and what amazed me was the expression "Litigator of the week". | May 26 11:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patents Roundup: #USPTO Workshop, #Bilski Action, and Patents-Imposed Death http://ur1.ca/03jx2 #swpats | May 26 11:49 | |
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| oiaohm | And give them a few more years it might be a few million MinceR | May 26 11:49 |
| oiaohm | Basically every improvement to the codec's they are patenting. | May 26 11:49 |
| bogdanbiv | Hmm, there was this saying "Noone escapes death and taxes", I think we could add patents there too, aint it so? | May 26 11:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Lesser Known Desktop Environments and Window Managers; #Xfce 4.6.2 Released http://ur1.ca/03jxl http://ur1.ca/03jxn http://ur1.ca/03jxo | May 26 11:52 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Short Review of Beta of #NimbleX 2010 (GNU/Linux), List of Preferred Distros http://ur1.ca/03jxp http://ur1.ca/03jxq | May 26 11:52 | |
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| MinceR | http://xkcd.com/743/ | May 26 11:53 |
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| bogdanbiv | Hey, I've just read this piece: http://news.swpat.org/2010/05/mpeglas-patents-exhausted/. | May 26 12:04 |
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| bogdanbiv | Couldn't we make a round trip buying scheme in which users buy all software hosted on SourceForge for 1$ each year? | May 26 12:05 |
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| bogdanbiv | Probably I'm just dreaming! Have fun and stay safe! | May 26 12:11 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Says #Oracle is Not Committed to Freedom, Hires More http://ur1.ca/03k2f http://ur1.ca/03k2i | May 26 12:13 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Gentoo #GNU #Linux and Dracut; MacBook Pro Runs Gentoo http://ur1.ca/03k2c http://ur1.ca/03k2e | May 26 12:14 | |
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| MinceR | i'd rather not support GeekNet now. | May 26 12:16 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: but USians also originally came from Africa. We all did. | May 26 12:17 |
| MinceR | indeed. | May 26 12:17 |
| MinceR | and so did native americans. | May 26 12:17 |
| MinceR | 124933 -BNtwitter:#boycottnovell- [schestowitz] Lesser Known Desktop Environments and Window Managers; #Xfce 4.6.2 Released http://ur1.ca/03jxl http://ur1.ca/03jxn http://ur1.ca/03jxo | May 26 12:18 |
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| MinceR | Deadpool ftw | May 26 12:18 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian #GNU #Linux Gets Improvements, Fresh Developments http://ur1.ca/03kaj http://ur1.ca/03kak | May 26 12:32 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ZDNet gets away with many death wishes in headlines. Now: "openSolaris - Dead and Buried?" http://ur1.ca/03kfr | May 26 12:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Look at#Ubuntu #Linux Netbook Edition 10.04, Lubuntu 10.04 http://ur1.ca/03dpw http://ur1.ca/03kal | May 26 12:47 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sub-notebooks With #ARM Processors Open to #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/03kgp http://ur1.ca/03kgq | May 26 12:49 | |
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| schestowitz | "But the way this is phrased, its impact is not limited to Muslim women. It attacks the rights of everyone that may want to be anonymous on the street; for instance, while protesting. Just as terrorists and pornography are used as excuses for censorship, surveillance, and other repressive measures, Islamic veils are the excuse to ban any resistance to the total surveillance state. " | May 26 12:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/19/thailand-redshirt-protests-violence | May 26 13:00 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz oracle is now charging for sol10 x86 on non-Sun kit. i nearly respecced a work app as linux right there and then. | May 26 13:02 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Clone a MediaWiki into a GIT repo, useful for hackerspace.be wiki: http://github.com/singpolyma/git-mediawiki/blob/master/README #hsbxl | May 26 13:04 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/20/diane-abbott-labour-leadership "Diane Abbot , the first black woman MP, seeks to lead the Labour Party and give support to civil liberties. " | May 26 13:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://coteret.com/2010/05/17/yediot-legal-editor-chomsky-affair-part-of-trend-that-could-mark-the-end-of-israel-as-a-freedom-loving-state-of-law/ | May 26 13:14 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Quality is Higher Than Generally Believed http://ur1.ca/03ko1 http://ur1.ca/03ko4 http://ur1.ca/03ko5 http://ur1.ca/03ko6 | May 26 13:18 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Linux #Tablets to be Unveiled at #Computex http://ur1.ca/03knz | May 26 13:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@mjasay "#Google more dangerous..than Microsoft..MS never owned user’s data" //#Microsoft wants 2 be tollgate to yr data-No less dangerous! | May 26 13:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Oooh, pretty new http://ubuntu.com/ | May 26 13:49 | |
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| schestowitz | http://memex.naughtons.org/archives/2010/05/25/11076 | May 26 14:09 |
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| schestowitz | He gets around | May 26 14:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] wheee found my first bug on the new ubuntu.com website :) | May 26 14:10 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Filmaster.com Produces/Uses #AGPLv3 -Licensed Code http://ur1.ca/03l0t http://ur1.ca/03kxy | May 26 14:11 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@PBS The @pbs @newshour is collecting your ideas to stop the Gulf #oilspill // try time travel to '00 vote count | May 26 14:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] So who is #Jazmyn? Is she working to end the oil gusher? #TT #fail | May 26 14:15 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @wikileaks Next big Iceland press haven vote is scheduled for June. Support it and keep Iceland strong! http://immi.is/ #iceland | May 26 14:18 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody French bill to ban anonymous blogging [fr] - http://bit.ly/94QHxH [en] - http://bit.ly/abiC7C (via @remixtures @gchampeau) | May 26 14:22 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeBSD 8.1 in Development, #Clang Gets Boost Libraries http://ur1.ca/03l3o http://ur1.ca/03l3p #bsd | May 26 14:23 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenOffice .org Kept Free With #FSF Intervention http://ur1.ca/03l3m http://ur1.ca/03l3n | May 26 14:23 | |
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| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/05/sex-lies-and-antelopes.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss | May 26 14:23 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/33487607#notice-33645482 "if they ever fold i'm sure the headline will be "zdnet - closing its doors for good?" | May 26 14:47 |
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| MinceR | http://www.josefrichter.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/Perhaps-the-best-legal-typo-of-all-time.jpg | May 26 14:48 |
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| schestowitz | Anything in ZDNet....... as long as there's a question mark the end... [fanatical statement][x] [y] "dead" [z]? | May 26 14:48 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: "assist Roy" | May 26 14:50 |
| schestowitz | No thanks | May 26 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Not with what's stated in the letter | May 26 14:50 |
| MinceR | you're not the only Roy on this planet :> | May 26 14:50 |
| schestowitz | And who pays $200 for rectal exams???? | May 26 14:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Examples of #OpenDocument Standard in Use; Why SaaS Needs Open APIs http://ur1.ca/02ox8 http://ur1.ca/02ou4 http://ur1.ca/03lbo | May 26 14:54 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Government of #France and #Texas Lean Towards Free/Open Source/Open Data http://ur1.ca/03lbp http://ur1.ca/03lbq http://ur1.ca/03lbr | May 26 14:54 | |
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| schestowitz | http://asiajin.com/blog/2010/05/21/english-please-rakuten-bans-japanese-as-corporate-language-from-internal-meetings/ "I know we’re a tad late on this, but Japan’s No. 1 e-commerce company Rakuten announced earlier this week that all internal meetings will be held in English from now on. To say this is rare move for a Japanese web company (or any kind of company) would be a big understatement." | May 26 14:59 |
| Techrights | Title: Asiajin » English, Please: Rakuten Bans Japanese As Corporate Language From Internal Meetings .::. Size~: 57.81 KB | May 26 14:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody #Eircom to cut broadband over illegal downloads - http://bit.ly/cUlQO3 good reason to leave Eircom... #ireland #threestrikes | May 26 15:13 | |
| Techrights | Title: Eircom to cut broadband over illegal downloads - The Irish Times - Mon, May 24, 2010 .::. Size~: 39.11 KB | May 26 15:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] if @dick_turpin doesn't have as good a memory as he leads people to believe :) | May 26 15:14 | |
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| sebsebseb | Hi | May 26 15:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/05/25/neal-stephenson-greg.html | May 26 15:23 |
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| schestowitz | H, sebastian | May 26 15:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft President Quits the Company.... post to come later | May 26 15:40 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] interesting looking new position at Canonical http://bit.ly/bPTRSh "Platform Services Manager" | May 26 15:50 | |
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| schestowitz | Is this enderle? http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/will-head-mounted-displays-replace-monitors-for-gaming/?news=123 | May 26 16:01 |
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| schestowitz | OOps | May 26 16:01 |
| schestowitz | Yuck, he's the author | May 26 16:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Another interesting role at Canonical has appeared http://bit.ly/azVPzT "Ubuntu Engineering Director" | May 26 16:04 | |
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| pawel011 | hi | May 26 16:05 |
| pawel011 | did you heard: | May 26 16:05 |
| pawel011 | http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7134077.ece | May 26 16:05 |
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| pawel011 | The driving force behind the idea is Klaus Welle, the parliament’s German secretary-general, who is known as an enthusiast for the iPhone, already a popular Apple product. | May 26 16:06 |
| pawel011 | some maggot wants to support apple | May 26 16:06 |
| pawel011 | and their products, so he wants to but ipads for eu parliament | May 26 16:07 |
| pawel011 | buy* | May 26 16:07 |
| MinceR | i've seen it in one of the twits dumped here | May 26 16:08 |
| MinceR | it's disgusting | May 26 16:08 |
| MinceR | he should buy them from his own damn money | May 26 16:08 |
| pawel011 | of course he should | May 26 16:08 |
| pawel011 | this prooves damn eu is pro proprietary and pro companies interests | May 26 16:09 |
| pawel011 | this and their anti FLOSS law | May 26 16:09 |
| MinceR | anti-FLOSS law? | May 26 16:10 |
| pawel011 | yeah, I'm talking about patents | May 26 16:10 |
| MinceR | i might have missed it | May 26 16:11 |
| pawel011 | I read this at fsdaily | May 26 16:11 |
| pawel011 | maybe even at techrights :) | May 26 16:11 |
| MinceR | "the fuse is the perfect embodiment of zen. in order to succeed, it must fail" | May 26 16:14 |
| pawel011 | ok, I'm going to test the newest Fedora, bye | May 26 16:16 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] The #Youtube commenting mechanism is crap!! Uggh!!! >< | May 26 16:20 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Co-worker claims she doesnt want the (new dyson) fan blowing on her. It makes her burp. Wind on her neck. | May 26 16:20 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrNIuFrso8I | May 26 16:39 |
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| DaemonFC | http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100526-710121.html | May 26 17:56 |
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| DaemonFC | Good news schestowitz | May 26 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | Now you can lose half a pound a month AND ruin your liver while paying $60 a bottle for pills | May 26 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | isn't that spectacular!? | May 26 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | what an age we live in :P | May 26 17:56 |
| MinceR | "What age are you in?" | May 26 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Hard to say, a combined side effect of the pills I'm on. Different parts of my body are aging at different rates. My left arm is 37, my right arm is 20, my left leg is 18, my right one is 52, and my brain is 16 | May 26 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | I'm a miracle of modern science | May 26 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 26 18:00 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: it was a quote (of a taunt) from AoE2 :> | May 26 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | ahhhh | May 26 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | I'm in the stone age, it's actually still the year 2010, but I'm in an alternate universe where Al Gore won in 2000 | May 26 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | we don't put out any carbon you see, but Chine just put up their 00th coal fired power plant | May 26 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | very strange world | May 26 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | *China | May 26 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | *400th | May 26 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | (joke about how countries that pollute the most are exempted from every climate treaty) | May 26 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | it could really lead to an Age of Empires style world | May 26 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | give it a while :) | May 26 18:03 |
| MinceR | yes, countries like USA and PRC :> | May 26 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | no, the PRC is not mentioned in the treaty | May 26 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | and the USA rightly refuses to sign until they are | May 26 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: If your neighbor was exempted from all local ordinances and started leaving trash all over the yard and blasting his stereo while his house rotted out from under him..... | May 26 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, it's like that | May 26 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | then what if that garbage started blowing into your yard and you were getting fined for it? | May 26 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | that neighbor is China | May 26 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | then you wake up one morning and he's parked a couple disabled vehicles in your yard that are leaking antifreeze and motor oil all over your lawn | May 26 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | you go the police and complain and they write you another ticket for having that shit in your yard | May 26 18:06 |
| MinceR | no, it's not like that | May 26 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | that would be Mexico | May 26 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | yeah it is just like that | May 26 18:07 |
| MinceR | it's like two neighbors throwing trash all over their yards pointing at each other that if the other does it, so must they allowed to do it too | May 26 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | there are rivers that flow into Mexico that come back into the USA so dirty and polluted, they could kill anything that's ever lived | May 26 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | and we have to clean that shit up | May 26 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | why doesn't the world condemn Mexico for dumping untreated industrial waste and sewage into formerly pristine rivers? | May 26 18:08 |
| MinceR | if other countries behaved like the USA, there would be a lot more pollution and the ozone layer would be entirely gone by now | May 26 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | same reason they don't get after China for all the smog and CO2 | May 26 18:08 |
| schestowitz | [17:56] <DaemonFC> Now you can lose half a pound a month AND ruin your liver while paying $60 a bottle for pills | May 26 18:09 |
| schestowitz | Nice. | May 26 18:09 |
| schestowitz | I know some people whom I'd like to buy this for ;-) | May 26 18:09 |
| MinceR | luckily, not everyone is looking for excuses instead of doing the right thing | May 26 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | no, if the world behaved like China and Mexico, the planet would have been uninhabitable years ago | May 26 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: You mean all the countries with mass unemployment and high taxes? | May 26 18:09 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you compare to the extreme (China) | May 26 18:10 |
| MinceR | that's all he's got | May 26 18:10 |
| schestowitz | They also chew on your ewaste and make everything in your house (almost everything) | May 26 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | progress is running backwards in Europe because most of the "clean" technologies are unaffordable | May 26 18:10 |
| MinceR | every other country would make the USA look bad in comparison | May 26 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | I would suppose that that's why France has such high crime and taxes | May 26 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | and everyone walks | May 26 18:10 |
| schestowitz | There are about 4 times as many Chinese as "Americans" (US that is) | May 26 18:11 |
| schestowitz | [18:10] <DaemonFC> I would suppose that that's why France has such high crime and taxes | May 26 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Bull | May 26 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Yes, and if they get depressed while working in their toxic polluted factory and committing suicide to make it stop | May 26 18:11 |
| schestowitz | You lump in a lie with something debatable | May 26 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | that's OK as long as everyone else gets an ipod | May 26 18:11 |
| *MinceR doesn't want a hypePod | May 26 18:12 | |
| DaemonFC | That's what Apple's supplier Foxconn shows us | May 26 18:12 |
| schestowitz | [18:11] <DaemonFC> schestowitz: Yes, and if they get depressed while working in their toxic polluted factory and committing suicide to make it stop | May 26 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Eventually, they all due | May 26 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | they've had a string of worker suicides | May 26 18:12 |
| schestowitz | *die | May 26 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | life is cheap in China | May 26 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz is right | May 26 18:12 |
| schestowitz | But anyway, the world needs contraception | May 26 18:12 |
| MinceR | indeed | May 26 18:12 |
| schestowitz | In China they are already working on it | May 26 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Europe can police it own birth | May 26 18:12 |
| schestowitz | 1 kid/family (or just over) in developed EU nations | May 26 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | their population is still growing and there's over a billion of them | May 26 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | are you sure they aren't putting aphrodisiacs in the food supply? | May 26 18:13 |
| MinceR | speculation | May 26 18:13 |
| MinceR | scraping the bottom of the barrel | May 26 18:13 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: that's longevity | May 26 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | China is really the poster child for irresponsibility that will kill the planet | May 26 18:13 |
| schestowitz | I don't think they grow through birth | May 26 18:13 |
| schestowitz | The US 'helps' them shrink the popultion with Philips Morris | May 26 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I do believe their government is trying to kill them off | May 26 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | have you ever smoked a Chinese cigarette? :P | May 26 18:14 |
| schestowitz | [18:13] <DaemonFC> China is really the poster child for irresponsibility that will kill the planet | May 26 18:14 |
| schestowitz | Only in the West | May 26 18:14 |
| schestowitz | They rightly mock up for "IP" and other stupid things | May 26 18:14 |
| schestowitz | *us | May 26 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | I found a pack of Chinese cigarettes on a truck container I was unloading | May 26 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Like in Saudi Arabia they mock us for letting women wear bikini, whereas we mock them for putting women in big black bags | May 26 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | nearly ran over them but my headlight caught it in time | May 26 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | also found the guys lighter | May 26 18:15 |
| schestowitz | It's perspective you need to take account of | May 26 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | it flashed and played "Light My Fire" | May 26 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Doors? | May 26 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | apparently they use the same cheap crap they sell us | May 26 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | yes | May 26 18:16 |
| schestowitz | I miss the Doors' music | May 26 18:16 |
| schestowitz | CIgarettes are cheap | May 26 18:16 |
| schestowitz | But they are taxed heavily | May 26 18:16 |
| schestowitz | All you need is some plants | May 26 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: What was funny is that one side of the cigarette had Chinese letters, but the other side said "SANTA" | May 26 18:16 |
| schestowitz | You set fire to the plants | May 26 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | Santa cigarettes? Really? | May 26 18:16 |
| schestowitz | The processing and the scracity makes them expensive | May 26 18:17 |
| MinceR | Satan Claws! | May 26 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Same with raw opium and dope | May 26 18:17 |
| schestowitz | I never did drugs BTW, but growing it is very cheap | May 26 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Marlboro is like $46 a carton last time I looked | May 26 18:17 |
| schestowitz | In theory, you could do with Colombia and Afghanistan do | May 26 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | the cheap ones that make you gag are like $22 | May 26 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | you can roll them for about $15 or so | May 26 18:18 |
| schestowitz | That's still taxed | May 26 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Heavily here in the UK | May 26 18:18 |
| schestowitz | I never smoked a thing | May 26 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the tax is less if you roll them yourself | May 26 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | I use cigar tobacco in them | May 26 18:18 |
| schestowitz | When I was a naughty 9 year old I picked some dude cigarette without permission and chokes on it. THat was the last time I tried :-) | May 26 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | that gets it down to $13 a carton | May 26 18:18 |
| schestowitz | What for? | May 26 18:19 |
| schestowitz | You create an addition, then feed it | May 26 18:19 |
| schestowitz | It's an industry like many other scam industries | May 26 18:19 |
| schestowitz | Only fools and horses enter the tobacco world like some innocent kids enter Scientology | May 26 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | I don't smoke that much | May 26 18:20 |
| schestowitz | With all the money you spent smoking, ryan, you could pay those medical bills | May 26 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | I roll them for the neighbors | May 26 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | they pay me | May 26 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 26 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | gives me something to do if I get bored | May 26 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | you ever get paid $30 for an hour of watching TV? :P | May 26 18:22 |
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| DaemonFC | then I take that extra money, buy beer | May 26 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | and this is what we call an economy | May 26 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 26 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | speaking of mindless tasks, I need to mow the lawn | May 26 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | but... it's 90 degrees today, raining tomorrow | May 26 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | looks like I get to set the alarm for 6:30 on Friday | May 26 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | P | May 26 18:26 |
| schestowitz | You could do with snacks | May 26 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I would be all for killing the lawn and putting down astroturf | May 26 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Better yet, get fruit/vegetables | May 26 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | but then you have to go vacuum and brush it | May 26 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I may go ask my neighbor if he has any more of that agent orange crap that he killed my lawn with a few weeks ago | May 26 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | I may just kill all of it and not plant anything for a while | May 26 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | if I just hose down the lawn with poisons every few months, nothing will grow too high D | May 26 18:28 |
| MinceR | that's the human way | May 26 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | I hate lawns, they never do anything you want them to | May 26 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | I think Penn and Teller had a show on that once | May 26 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | kill all the grass and put down bricks | May 26 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | yes, bricks | May 26 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | then I can kill all the trees and put them in a tree museam | May 26 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | perhaps make people pay a dollar and a half to see them | May 26 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 26 18:30 |
| MinceR | persuade everyone to do that | May 26 18:31 |
| MinceR | and then suffocate to death along with them :> | May 26 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | nope | May 26 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | I have a plan, MinceR | May 26 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | my company will provide chemical CO2 scrubbers with a rebreather mask | May 26 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | we'll make a fortune | May 26 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | anyone who can't pay can suffocate | May 26 18:34 |
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| MinceR | great, then you'll starve and others will suffocate | May 26 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | that's how you thin the herd | May 26 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Nope, wrong again | May 26 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | artificial food, they already have that | May 26 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | 99% of the supermarket | May 26 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 26 18:34 |
| MinceR | none of it's 100% artificial | May 26 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | but it could be | May 26 18:35 |
| MinceR | eventually, it could | May 26 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | yes | May 26 18:35 |
| MinceR | then you'd only starve to death after some system failures | May 26 18:35 |
| MinceR | or die of malnutrition | May 26 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | nonsense, my rebreather masks and artificial food grown by bacteria will sustain me in the toxic smog-covered hell hole | May 26 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | and then we'll see who's laughing | May 26 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 26 18:36 |
| MinceR | well, you won't laugh after your rebreather mask fails | May 26 18:36 |
| MinceR | you won't be able to breathe | May 26 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | carry a spare? | May 26 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | it'll be so cool, I'll look just like Darth Vader | May 26 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 26 18:37 |
| MinceR | yeah, our technology is so reliable | May 26 18:37 |
| MinceR | and so robust | May 26 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | redundancy MinceR | May 26 18:37 |
| MinceR | clearly worth destroying the biosphere for the privilege to rely on it | May 26 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | if God had intended us to occupy Earth forever, he wouldn't have told me in a dream to colonize Jupiter | May 26 18:38 |
| MinceR | and for the privilege to waste a lot more resources on sustaining the life of people | May 26 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | you can reserve your seat for a "nominal fee" | May 26 18:38 |
| MinceR | you can go alone | May 26 18:38 |
| MinceR | also, it's pointless to destroy nature and live in a toxic wasteland instead | May 26 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | no it's not | May 26 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | the world is being destroyed on purpose | May 26 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | it's not just a byproduct of our technology | May 26 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | that's what I think anyway | May 26 18:40 |
| MinceR | to keep the human species from infecting other parts of the universe? | May 26 18:40 |
| MinceR | by killing it off early? | May 26 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | no | May 26 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | not at all | May 26 18:40 |
| MinceR | that could be done without killing the rest of the biosphere | May 26 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | what do companies want? | May 26 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | more than anything else | May 26 18:40 |
| MinceR | they want all sorts of things they don't deserve | May 26 18:40 |
| MinceR | including power and money | May 26 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | Would it be fair to see that if they could charge you for air, they would? | May 26 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | Trees provide air, therefore, trees are competition | May 26 18:41 |
| MinceR | they would, but this doesn't mean that they should be allowed to do so | May 26 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | if they can make the world nearly uninhabitable without paying them, they will | May 26 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | and they are | May 26 18:41 |
| MinceR | also, if living things are such a problem for you, there are plenty of planets and moons in this solar system without it | May 26 18:42 |
| MinceR | you might want to move to one of them | May 26 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | there you have it | May 26 18:42 |
| MinceR | s/it/them/ | May 26 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | I can move to Europa | May 26 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | and set up a base underneath theice | May 26 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | in the liquid ocean | May 26 18:42 |
| MinceR | wouldn't you prefer having to make your own water molecules? | May 26 18:43 |
| MinceR | just like your food? | May 26 18:43 |
| MinceR | perhaps seeding a new star and living there would be preferable | May 26 18:43 |
| MinceR | or on a space station in empty space | May 26 18:43 |
| cubezzz | eh? | May 26 18:44 |
| cubezzz | yeah, move to Europa :) | May 26 18:44 |
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| WireWulf | moo | May 26 18:48 |
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| MinceR | mew | May 26 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | disconnected :P | May 26 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | hmm, BP is one of the companies putting all those wind turbines in Indiana? | May 26 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | PR stunt? | May 26 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | tax credit grab? | May 26 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | all of the above? | May 26 18:54 |
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| WireWulf | trick | May 26 18:57 |
| WireWulf | BP is as much funding everything fucking up the world as the progressive companys and unions of the earth | May 26 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | http://blogs.ajc.com/bob-barr-blog/2010/05/26/census-workers-can-enter-your-apartment-in-your-absence/?cxntfid=blogs_bob_barr_blog | May 26 18:59 |
| Techrights | Title: Census workers can enter your apartment in your absence | The Barr Code .::. Size~: 68.84 KB | May 26 18:59 |
| WireWulf | yup | May 26 19:01 |
| WireWulf | but there again i have legal right to shot anyone who comes in my house without my promission | May 26 19:02 |
| schestowitz | pro-mission | May 26 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like a Crusade | May 26 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Burn them on their cross that they bring to your house in their promission ;-) | May 26 19:03 |
| schestowitz | ANyway, these laws are extreme | May 26 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Here in the UK we had a case where a man shot kids who intruded at the back | May 26 19:03 |
| schestowitz | One died and the man went to prison | May 26 19:03 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC carries firearms | May 26 19:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Eric Raymond Explains Why #Linux (#Android ) ‘Outguns’ #Apple in ‘Technology and User-visible Features’ http://ur1.ca/03n9t | May 26 19:04 | |
| Techrights | Title: Eric Raymond Explains Why Linux (Android) Outguns Apple in Technology and User-visible Features | Techrights .::. Size~: 97.15 KB | May 26 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Like Eric Raymond | May 26 19:04 |
| WireWulf | here in the southeasteren USA (mainly alabama) WE shot on site | May 26 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Actually, I can see the resemblance between Eric Raymond and DaemonFC. Maybe they are the same guy and DaemonFC is his pen name | May 26 19:04 |
| schestowitz | "More evidence that "business journalists" have no clue: http://ur1.ca/03l3n !OpenOffice .org #OOoCon #OOoCon2010 @schestowitz" | May 26 19:05 |
| schestowitz | me: "he's not a journalist. It's ZDNet, it's not journalism." | May 26 19:05 |
| Techrights | Title: Can OpenOffice.org regain momentum? | ZDNet .::. Size~: 121.11 KB | May 26 19:05 |
| WireWulf | journlist are idiots | May 26 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Re: "Brilliant news Microsoft Jack Schofield is leaving the Guardians technology section/ whole paper." | May 26 19:06 |
| schestowitz | > I feel deep sadness for him, what's he going to do now? | May 26 19:06 |
| schestowitz | See Highfield.... maybe a job as a PR rep directly for Microsoft UK. | May 26 19:06 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 26 19:06 |
| WireWulf | if you report the news report the whole damned thing | May 26 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | there's nothing wrong with what that man did | May 26 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | they should release him | May 26 19:07 |
| cubezzz | just write more ncurses/text stuff | May 26 19:08 |
| cubezzz | make it run fast | May 26 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | if you break into someone's house, you should expect to get what's coming to you | May 26 19:08 |
| WireWulf | mmm ncurses <3 | May 26 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | all the more incentive to make sure they aren't at home :) | May 26 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | brb | May 26 19:08 |
| WireWulf | brb gotta go eat fewdz | May 26 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmm, $166 and 8 days to go | May 26 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | yay | May 26 19:09 |
| cubezzz | no deluxe pizzas for you! | May 26 19:09 |
| cubezzz | say hello to Kraft Dinner :) | May 26 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: They're only $4.68 | May 26 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | for the rising crust ones :D | May 26 19:10 |
| cubezzz | oh well, that's not too bad then | May 26 19:10 |
| cubezzz | I knew some students who had to live on the cheap | May 26 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | the store brand ones are a little greasy, but a couple paper towels and it's a digiorno | May 26 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 26 19:11 |
| cubezzz | they were surviving on Kraft Dinner, and when that was too expensive: Mr Noodle | May 26 19:11 |
| cubezzz | Mr Noodle was the cheapest | May 26 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | they don't have that here | May 26 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | is that some off brand? | May 26 19:11 |
| cubezzz | it's like the cheapest stuff you can get :) | May 26 19:13 |
| cubezzz | Mr. Noodles 0.17 CENTS! 12pack/$1.99 SDM | May 26 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | oh, ramen | May 26 19:13 |
| cubezzz | cheap food from china: ONGHU INDUSTRIAL ZONE, SHUIKOU HUIZHOU, GUANGDONG CHINA | May 26 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | oh | May 26 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | that's not a flavoring packet | May 26 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | that's lead-based paint! | May 26 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 26 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | still tasty though..... | May 26 19:16 |
| cubezzz | so good it's on wikipedia :) | May 26 19:19 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Noodles | May 26 19:19 |
| Techrights | Title: Mr. Noodles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 20.04 KB | May 26 19:19 |
| cubezzz | guess it's only in Canada | May 26 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: I'd hate to read the the Lord of the Rings books | May 26 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | if it takes 9 hours to get through the movies | May 26 19:35 |
| MinceR | reading is hard for you? :> | May 26 19:36 |
| balrog | DaemonFC: the books are a lot better than the movies | May 26 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | are the books in HD? | May 26 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 26 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Of course reading isn't difficult | May 26 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | it's just time consuming | May 26 19:37 |
| balrog | I'm sure there are DRMed ebooks available, if that's what suits you | May 26 19:38 |
| balrog | </sarcasm> | May 26 19:38 |
| balrog | (or maybe </troll> ;p ) | May 26 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | Chili 'n Lime Sausage Stick | May 26 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | heh | May 26 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | lots of protein, fat, salt, and cholesterol | May 26 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | with a hint of Frank's Red Hat | May 26 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | surprisingly good | May 26 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 26 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: You notice how much 480i looks like shit on a 720p display? | May 26 19:42 |
| balrog | lol yea | May 26 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | I did notice my satellite box upscales and de-interlaces much better than my TV can though | May 26 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | so I have the box do that then send to the TV :P | May 26 19:43 |
| balrog | my dad was complaining about a movie my brother edited that was shot on a 480i camcorder | May 26 19:43 |
| balrog | (played back on a 720p 13" LCD) | May 26 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed that 480i to 720p is a night and day difference | May 26 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | but 720p to 1080i or p isn't | May 26 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | just slightly better | May 26 19:44 |
| MinceR | no surprise there | May 26 19:44 |
| MinceR | especially if 480i is analog | May 26 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | no, all the channels I get are digital | May 26 19:44 |
| balrog | ohh I can very well tell the difference on my 1920x1200 17" LCD | May 26 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | just that some are still standard definition | May 26 19:45 |
| balrog | DaemonFC: if you have cable, they may be compressing it | May 26 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | satellite | May 26 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | DirecTV | May 26 19:45 |
| MinceR | it might be analog at some step of transmission though | May 26 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, even the SD channels look better than they did on Comcast | May 26 19:45 |
| balrog | they also compress | May 26 19:45 |
| balrog | only FiOS doesn't compress | May 26 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast was compressing the living hell out of all of them | May 26 19:45 |
| balrog | (because they have the bandwidth to do so) | May 26 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | to make t fit in their bandwidth available | May 26 19:45 |
| MinceR | i get analog cable with analog channels, analog noise and sometimes MPEG artifacts (blocking) | May 26 19:45 |
| MinceR | i get the worst of both worlds ;) | May 26 19:45 |
| balrog | :[ | May 26 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Because the cable company gets it as digital, converts it to analog, then sends it to you? | May 26 19:46 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure | May 26 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | yes, digital is always superior | May 26 19:46 |
| MinceR | they might get it as analog and transmit it as digital for some length | May 26 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | especially if you get it on an over the air antenna | May 26 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | the only problem with that is distance | May 26 19:47 |
| MinceR | i get it on coaxial cable (analog) | May 26 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | digital is "you have the signal or you don't" | May 26 19:47 |
| cubezzz | we still have a couple of analog channels | May 26 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | so analog over the air channels may come in fuzzy, but then not at all when the station goes digital | May 26 19:47 |
| cubezzz | via UHF Antenna | May 26 19:47 |
| MinceR | also, sometimes i see warning dialogs that aren't supposed to be there | May 26 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | I got many more over the air channels when it was all analog | May 26 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | now I can get about half, but all in perfect quality | May 26 19:48 |
| MinceR | such as ones saying there's no signal or i have no privileges to see that channel :> | May 26 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | you win some you lose some :P | May 26 19:48 |
| cubezzz | you might get a bit more range out of analog | May 26 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | that's why I finally ditched the antenna | May 26 19:48 |
| cubezzz | get a fuzzy picture rather than nothing | May 26 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | 4 channels for free vs a couple hundred channels with my satellite or cable | May 26 19:49 |
| cubezzz | no need ditching the antenna though | May 26 19:49 |
| cubezzz | ok, we went through this before... | May 26 19:49 |
| cubezzz | but everyone's location is different | May 26 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the FTA satellite deal | May 26 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | I looked into it | May 26 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | it's mainly the crap channels that I deleted from my Guide because they were taking up space | May 26 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | and you have to buy a lot of expensive equipment | May 26 19:50 |
| WireWulf | i have directtv and a 45 foot antenna | May 26 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | WireWulf: I have the Slimline antenna | May 26 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | it's maybe a foot or two in diameter | May 26 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | it's not that big | May 26 19:50 |
| WireWulf | mines multi-directional | May 26 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | gets a lot of channels :) | May 26 19:50 |
| cubezzz | yeah, I see it in Canada too, re: DirectTV | May 26 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | ahh, mine is fixed | May 26 19:51 |
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| cubezzz | I don't watch TV that much | May 26 19:51 |
| cubezzz | happy with my antenna | May 26 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | WireWulf: Why do you need a multi-directional? | May 26 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | with a motor I assume | May 26 19:51 |
| cubezzz | I was a bit surprised that Old Star Trek looked better than Next Gen | May 26 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: When they remastered it and put it all on DVD you mean? | May 26 19:52 |
| WireWulf | DaemonFC: cuz i dont like turning the damned thing | May 26 19:52 |
| cubezzz | I think there's even bluray now for original Star Trek | May 26 19:52 |
| WireWulf | by hand | May 26 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Yes, I would like to see those | May 26 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if Netflix has them | May 26 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if the Blu Ray versions look better. They are quite old. | May 26 19:53 |
| cubezzz | 35 mm film scans, top of the line for TV | May 26 19:53 |
| cubezzz | yes, I'm curious too | May 26 19:53 |
| WireWulf | i was shocked when i frist got hd | May 26 19:53 |
| WireWulf | but mostly by older movies | May 26 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast only recently went all digital here | May 26 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | TimeWarner Cable was all digital in Marion in 1999 | May 26 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast are cheap sons of bitches | May 26 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | even by cable company standards | May 26 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | I'm glad to be rid of them | May 26 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | I was amazed by the digital channels in 1999, it was a high quality picture for the equipment of the time | May 26 19:55 |
| cubezzz | WireWulf, were the older movies better than you expected? | May 26 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | my dad told me I was crazy for buying a DVD player in 1998 | May 26 19:57 |
| WireWulf | yeah | May 26 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | I asked him how that Select-A-Vision, BetaMax, and Laserdisc collection was working out for him :P | May 26 19:57 |
| WireWulf | hd version of old war movies and cowboy movies was like awesme looking in hd | May 26 19:58 |
| cubezzz | the old fim was good | May 26 19:59 |
| cubezzz | plus you got the right aspect ratio for it now | May 26 19:59 |
| cubezzz | vistavision and all that stuff | May 26 19:59 |
| WireWulf | have not seen a new film that looked any different in hd | May 26 20:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Inside-trading #Microsoft President Quits the Company, Allard Does Too http://ur1.ca/03nsr another one (or two) bites the dust | May 26 20:00 | |
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| DaemonFC | Who is going to be the next crew for future Star Trek movies? | May 26 20:00 |
| *WireWulf will be playing capt.bob richards | May 26 20:00 | |
| DaemonFC | TNG cast is getting older, they already killed Data because an android shouldn't age but Brent Spiner is aging :P | May 26 20:00 |
| cubezzz | Wirewulf, Tron looks pretty good | May 26 20:01 |
| cubezzz | but it's not new :) | May 26 20:01 |
| *WireWulf has never seen tron | May 26 20:01 | |
| WireWulf | :P | May 26 20:01 |
| *WireWulf was watching an old john wayne movie yeasterday | May 26 20:02 | |
| DaemonFC | Greetings program! | May 26 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | Welcome to Windows! | May 26 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 26 20:02 |
| cubezzz | bah :) | May 26 20:02 |
| cubezzz | that means the MCP won after all | May 26 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | I think Apple's software reminds me more of MCP than Microsoft's | May 26 20:02 |
| WireWulf | M$ will always wn | May 26 20:03 |
| WireWulf | just only in their minds | May 26 20:03 |
| *WireWulf has no clue who MP is | May 26 20:03 | |
| WireWulf | *MPC | May 26 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | Windows isn't real resrictive about what you can do with it | May 26 20:03 |
| cubezzz | it's disturbing that MCP = Master COntrol Program can also mean Microsoft Certified Professional | May 26 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | it's mainly enforcing the "pay Microsoft" bit | May 26 20:03 |
| WireWulf | aslong is it isnt openGL based | May 26 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | nah, OpenGL works fine | May 26 20:04 |
| cubezzz | WireWulf, Microsoft won't rule forever | May 26 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | that depends entirely on who made your GPU though | May 26 20:04 |
| cubezzz | it's the beginning of the end I think | May 26 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | ATI's OpenGL driver is much better than Nvidia's on Windows | May 26 20:04 |
| WireWulf | DaemonFC: DX11 emu's openGL so you need a good cpu and some ram | May 26 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | they're both feature-complete, but Nvidia has performed worse with OpenGL post-XP where ATI really hasn't | May 26 20:05 |
| WireWulf | win7 has no openGL support | May 26 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | WireWulf: wrong | May 26 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | Windows has software OpenGL 1.1 support and that's all | May 26 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | the video drivers provide hardware OpenGL up to whatever version the GPU manufacturer implements | May 26 20:05 |
| WireWulf | in a DX11 emu | May 26 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | I have OpenGL 3.3 support in my ATI driver | May 26 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | it's got nothing to do with DirectX at all | May 26 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | it's a user mode driver, that's about the only thing limiting performance (not much) over DirectX (kernel mode driver) | May 26 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | they're both hardware accelerated though | May 26 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | the difference in performance isn't great enough to put any real weight on a software design decision | May 26 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | the fact that DirectX doesn't work at all outside of Windows and XBOX is more damning of DirectX | May 26 20:08 |
| WireWulf | lol i profer openGL | May 26 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, software developers who aren't nuts would prefer a 1-2% performance decrease over making something that only works on Windows | May 26 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | but a lot of them are nuts | May 26 20:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BSA Attacks the Right to Software Freedom in the Czech Republic; Similar Offenses in the UK, #Finland http://ur1.ca/03nvb | May 26 20:09 | |
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| DaemonFC | Windows with ATI or Nvidia drivers manage to outperform Linux on OpenGL apps anyway | May 26 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | that seemed to be the pattern with Phoronix benchmarks latelt | May 26 20:09 |
| WireWulf | openGL has more promiss the DX ever did anyway | May 26 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 was consistently faster than Linux by a factor of 10-30% on OpenGL applications | May 26 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | on identical hardware with the latest drivers on both sides | May 26 20:10 |
| WireWulf | i havent seen that | May 26 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | let me pull it up | May 26 20:10 |
| WireWulf | i have my new msi lappy and my old celeron | May 26 20:11 |
| WireWulf | the celeron has out profromed in loading and gaming so far | May 26 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | WireWulf: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_windows_part1&num=1 | May 26 20:11 |
| Techrights | Title: [Phoronix] Is Windows 7 Actually Faster Than Ubuntu 10.04? .::. Size~: 23.42 KB | May 26 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | granted it beat Ubuntu, and whether Ubuntu is representative of "Linux" is arguable | May 26 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | but Ubuntu benchmarks are in line with other distributions more often than not | May 26 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | so I'd say it is | May 26 20:14 |
| MinceR | Praise the Lard: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l31hp2fr0B1qzvl4eo1_500.jpg | May 26 20:14 |
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| cubezzz | I can tweak everything | May 26 20:15 |
| cubezzz | so I tweaked my X and radeon settings, now it's faster | May 26 20:15 |
| cubezzz | that's what it's all about, being able to compile everything | May 26 20:15 |
| cubezzz | win7 isn't even worth considering | May 26 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | I see Ubuntu (GUI experience anyway) as rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic | May 26 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | they're trying to fix a desktop metaphor that will be replaced this year anyway upstream | May 26 20:17 |
| WireWulf | ubuntu is not linux | May 26 20:17 |
| WireWulf | linux is a kernel | May 26 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | Mandriva 2010.1 is sounding good | May 26 20:17 |
| cubezzz | it's a mix anyways | May 26 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | especially or a bankrupt company | May 26 20:17 |
| cubezzz | there's GNU and BSD and Linux and probably other stuff as well from schools | May 26 20:18 |
| WireWulf | most ppl have a issue with linux not have many x64 apps | May 26 20:18 |
| cubezzz | so just use whatever mix you like | May 26 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | WireWulf: Everything on the damned system is an X86-64 app | May 26 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | along with 98% of the repository | May 26 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 26 20:18 |
| WireWulf | :P | May 26 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | Windows is the 64-bit platform that runs 98% 32-bit apps | May 26 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | Windows is pretty backwards in it's 6-bit transition | May 26 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | that's why I laugh my ass off at the 128-bit Windows 8 nonsense | May 26 20:20 |
| MinceR | Windows is pretty backwards | May 26 20:20 |
| WireWulf | lol | May 26 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | if there ever is an X86-128 here's how it's going to work | May 26 20:20 |
| WireWulf | i could see amd with a 128bit cpu in the next 10 years | May 26 20:20 |
| WireWulf | but it will be of a server and non windows cpu | May 26 20:21 |
| WireWulf | like a sparc or RISA based cpu | May 26 20:21 |
| cubezzz | are there 128-bit mainframes? | May 26 20:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] New Shot Of Jaq! Speaking My Language - http://is.gd/cqlhP - is the Open Source world really designed to make translations rock? #shotofjaq | May 26 20:23 | |
| DaemonFC | Year 1: Hardware introduced. Year 2: Microsoft releases a practically unsupported 128-bit version of Windows with no drivers for anything that you can only get OEM. Year 3: Microsoft tells you why you don't want the "new technology" thats three years old. Year 4: They introduce a new Windows Server revision that's 128-bit and it starts at only $600 a copy. Year 5: A new "consumer Windows" releases that's fully 128-bit. There are no apps, in | May 26 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | fact, many are still 64-bit because they just got done with that transition and 12 years was moving double quick just to get here. | May 26 20:23 |
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| DaemonFC | Year 10: Most Windows apps are 128-bit, the year after the 256-bit CPU launched | May 26 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | Linux: 6 Months before the X86-128 launched, the kernel has basic support for it that anyone can use for free | May 26 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | May 26 20:25 |
| cubezzz | "There are currently no mainstream general-purpose processors built to operate on 128-bit integers or addresses" | May 26 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | FreeBSD supports X86-128 but Nvidia won't release drivers for it. | May 26 20:25 |
| cubezzz | so the 128-bit windows is pure vapourware | May 26 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 26 20:25 |
| WireWulf | BSD: still will be i386 fuck that new stuffs | May 26 20:26 |
| MinceR | :> | May 26 20:26 |
| WireWulf | i mean pure BSD not free/open/net/pc/etc | May 26 20:26 |
| cubezzz | get Lion's Commentary on UNIX with source :) | May 26 20:27 |
| *WireWulf just thought it was Funny what happened to BSD | May 26 20:28 | |
| DaemonFC | FreeBSD has become even more of a wreck than they're accusing Linux of being | May 26 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | the only BSD that's performing as intended for most of it's users is OpenBSD | May 26 20:30 |
| WireWulf | i could see that | May 26 20:30 |
| WireWulf | i could see that too | May 26 20:30 |
| WireWulf | however openBSD is a pain to install | May 26 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | PC-BSD project is falling apart | May 26 20:31 |
| WireWulf | yup | May 26 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | OpenBSD is supposed to be a pain in the ass to install | May 26 20:31 |
| WireWulf | netBSD is having issues | May 26 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | everything is off and it requires the administrator to know exactly what they need to turn on | May 26 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | as far as security goes, they are behaving correctly | May 26 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | as far as new users who don't want to read the manual, use Ubuntu :P | May 26 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | OpenBSD is designed to where if there's a security problem, it's probably you that caused it :) | May 26 20:32 |
| MinceR | that's what the hype says | May 26 20:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Reading about Eric Raymond. He sounds a very interesting and clever bloke but I never will understand why some people like guns so much. | May 26 20:33 | |
| cubezzz | so go back to 6th edition then | May 26 20:33 |
| *WireWulf finds it funny that BSD 4.4 lite (1995ish) is still the most surcure BSD kernel ever :P | May 26 20:33 | |
| cubezzz | it's old though :) | May 26 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | well, have there been any high profile attacks on an OpenBSD system that succeeded? | May 26 20:33 |
| WireWulf | none | May 26 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | if so, were they caused by flaws in the software or in the configuration in place from the user? | May 26 20:34 |
| WireWulf | OpenBSD is still a pain | May 26 20:34 |
| WireWulf | :P | May 26 20:34 |
| cubezzz | so if OpenBSD is so good, why are we all using Linux? | May 26 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | it's obviously not inconceivable that a software bug was to blame, but they do pretty anal retentive code audits | May 26 20:34 |
| cubezzz | or most of us anyway | May 26 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | because Linux has security problems | May 26 20:35 |
| WireWulf | linux has some issues | May 26 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | it can't be avoided if you're that eager to slap in new code that fast without anyone really looking it over real good | May 26 20:35 |
| MinceR | openbsd disregards all the security issues they have when they say they're omg-secure | May 26 20:35 |
| MinceR | http://wideopenbsd.org/ | May 26 20:35 |
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| DaemonFC | there's also binary firmware that nobody can audit disgusted as kernel source with Linux | May 26 20:35 |
| MinceR | does openbsd have FLOSS drivers for the same hw? | May 26 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | then the distribution itself can fuck up all your settings before you even install it | May 26 20:36 |
| MinceR | i didn't think so. | May 26 20:36 |
| cubezzz | most of the development is Linux | May 26 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: RMS already lied to FUD OpenBSD | May 26 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | he lost the argument | May 26 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | there is no nonfree software in OpenBSD | May 26 20:36 |
| WireWulf | is GNU/HURD still around? | May 26 20:36 |
| cubezzz | so what did he say exactly? | May 26 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | WireWulf: barely | May 26 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: He was accusing them of promoting nonfree software that's not in their ports tree | May 26 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | the ports tree that's disaled by default and not recommended for users to use | May 26 20:37 |
| cubezzz | like what specifically? | May 26 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 26 20:37 |
| WireWulf | why did they start hurd ? | May 26 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | I forget, there's some makefiles and such to help you retrieve and build/install the nonfree software | May 26 20:38 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: for hardware that has no FLOSS drivers, you get to choose between not using it or using it with nonfree drivers. no *bsd magic makes this any different. | May 26 20:38 |
| cubezzz | GNU wanted a whole OS | May 26 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | but they pointed out that if the FSF wants to be hypocrites, then providing Windows software on the FSF site was worse | May 26 20:38 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: if you want to have a linux kernel without blobs, that's what linux-libre is | May 26 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | because it encouraged people to use Windows | May 26 20:38 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: and guess what kernel does FSF recommend | May 26 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | so the FSF is promoting nonfree software if you use the same definition they tried to stick on OpenBSD | May 26 20:38 |
| MinceR | WireWulf: hurd is around but development is slow as they have little hype and few developers | May 26 20:39 |
| WireWulf | yeah i could see that | May 26 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | Does FOSS on Windows lead users to FOSS operating systems? Maybe a few. | May 26 20:39 |
| WireWulf | just bearily going like miniX | May 26 20:39 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: FSF still prefers running free software on a free OS to running free software on a non-free OS | May 26 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | I'd argue that it leads more to be content with Windows | May 26 20:39 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: quit the anti-FSF FUD already | May 26 20:39 |
| cubezzz | once upon a time there was no Linux, hence the effort to write HURD | May 26 20:40 |
| WireWulf | HURD is newer then linux on the Unix family tree | May 26 20:40 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: FLOSS on winblows leads to that by the time the user is otherwise ready to switch, he won't be held hostage by his apps | May 26 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I'd argue that more people would use a FOSS operating system if they were forced to buy MS Office | May 26 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | and use Internet Explorer | May 26 20:40 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: and you'd be wrong | May 26 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | a win for Firefox and OOo is not a win for Linux | May 26 20:41 |
| MinceR | those people would never find out what it is like to use free software | May 26 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | it's a win for people still using Windows | May 26 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | who don't have to deal with the warts or expensive add-on software | May 26 20:41 |
| MinceR | can you support those guesses with facts? | May 26 20:41 |
| cubezzz | doesn't matter, you're all bogged down with specifics | May 26 20:41 |
| cubezzz | the over-arching principle is free and open source code | May 26 20:41 |
| WireWulf | VLC made me switch to linux | May 26 20:41 |
| cubezzz | doesn't matter if it's BSD or Linux or AROS or whatever | May 26 20:42 |
| WireWulf | it had nothing to do with the fact i grow up useing *nix | May 26 20:42 |
| MinceR | 213523 < MinceR> DaemonFC: for hardware that has no FLOSS drivers, you get to choose between not using it or using it with nonfree drivers. no *bsd magic makes this any different. | May 26 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: FOSS on Windows is like fixing up a Hummer H2 that had a spring poking the driver in the balls, that was making funny noises | May 26 20:42 |
| MinceR | in fact, *bsd supports less hw even with only free drivers | May 26 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | it's no longer a problem | May 26 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | for the driver | May 26 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't get rid of the gas guzzling rolling eyesore | May 26 20:42 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: try driving in budapest (and in hungary in general) and you'll have more respect for that gas guzzling rolling eyesore | May 26 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | My argument is that FOSS on Windows doesn't encourage people to leave Windows, it makes Windows easier to live with | May 26 20:43 |
| MinceR | (it makes it more difficult for assholes to push you off the road and such) | May 26 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | it's adding to this problem | May 26 20:43 |
| MinceR | it also makes it easier to switch | May 26 20:43 |
| MinceR | since the apps don't have to be thrown away along with the OS | May 26 20:44 |
| MinceR | a gradual switch is easier | May 26 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | maybe it leads enough people to leave Windows that it breaks even with the people that are comfortable with Windows and keep using it because of that | May 26 20:44 |
| cubezzz | it should have happened earlier though | May 26 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | at the very best, FOSS on Windows is neutral | May 26 20:44 |
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| cubezzz | we should have had tons of hobbyists on 386's with FOSS | May 26 20:44 |
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| cubezzz | that didn't happen | May 26 20:45 |
| MinceR | says the guy who hates the FSF for no good reason | May 26 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | and in all honesty, FOSS on Windows is probably adding to a problem | May 26 20:45 |
| MinceR | where "honesty" means "a strong desire to FUD the FSF" | May 26 20:45 |
| WireWulf | FOSS on window is addictive | May 26 20:45 |
| cubezzz | bah, it's at best a stop-gap measure | May 26 20:45 |
| cubezzz | much better to switch over cleanly | May 26 20:45 |
| WireWulf | lol | May 26 20:46 |
| WireWulf | much better to learn CLI then gui shortcuts too | May 26 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | ditch the philosophy, engage the pragmatism | May 26 20:46 |
| MinceR | in that case, i'm sorry for trying Emacs and Gimp before i switched to GNU/Linux. :> | May 26 20:46 |
| cubezzz | sure | May 26 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | think like most people would | May 26 20:46 |
| cubezzz | I'm always talking about text/ncurses programs too | May 26 20:46 |
| MinceR | most people wouldn't think | May 26 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | you need to make reasoned, pragmatic arguments | May 26 20:47 |
| *WireWulf loves ncurses | May 26 20:47 | |
| DaemonFC | not "freedom!!!! Weeeeeee!!!!!" | May 26 20:47 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: so do you | May 26 20:47 |
| cubezzz | source code is where it's at, can you compile and edit? good, if not, BAD | May 26 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | so a person using the binary video drivers is being pragmatic if the Free drivers are so inferior in performance as to make the system unusable for the user's needs | May 26 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | would you agree MinceR? :) | May 26 20:48 |
| *WireWulf uses gentoo screen with moc,irssi or weechat,and links2 or lynx | May 26 20:48 | |
| DaemonFC | even though it's not "freedom!!! weeeeee!!!!!" | May 26 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | People don't care about how free they are, they care about how many of their immediate needs are being met for the time being. | May 26 20:49 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: imo in that case it's ideal to keep both driver around and use whatever works better | May 26 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | It's human nature | May 26 20:49 |
| cubezzz | well, I'm building a 100% FOSS machine to put the closed source stuff down for the count for good | May 26 20:49 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: (as in, the free driver might still be more stable or support KMS) | May 26 20:49 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: freedom can be an immediate need | May 26 20:50 |
| WireWulf | free ati drivers aint so stable | May 26 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | when it is, they'll care | May 26 20:50 |
| MinceR | also, pragmatism includes thinking ahead, unless you equate pragmatism with shortsightedness | May 26 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | that's why successful governments leave you "free enough" | May 26 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | if your back is to the wall, or you feel like it is, you'll be inclined to fight them | May 26 20:50 |
| cubezzz | I've been running radeon drive with zero problems | May 26 20:50 |
| cubezzz | driver | May 26 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: In much the same way, Apple and Microsoft seek to leave you "free enough" | May 26 20:51 |
| WireWulf | my HD 3650 has issues with SD video | May 26 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | free to roam around on a long enough leash that freedom is not the immediate, pressing, overriding need | May 26 20:51 |
| cubezzz | ok, I should also mention that I'm running older hardware | May 26 20:51 |
| cubezzz | don't know about HD 3650 | May 26 20:52 |
| WireWulf | older hd card | May 26 20:52 |
| cubezzz | mobility 7500 works | May 26 20:52 |
| cubezzz | and older 7000 series too | May 26 20:52 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: no they don't | May 26 20:52 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: especially not crApple | May 26 20:52 |
| WireWulf | my lappys nvida has no issues with linux | May 26 20:53 |
| MinceR | mine is supported but the driver still has bugs | May 26 20:54 |
| WireWulf | anywho i have to go to a meeting | May 26 20:54 |
| WireWulf | MinceR: thats what is up with my ati hd card | May 26 20:54 |
| WireWulf | but i am goe ....poof | May 26 20:54 |
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| DaemonFC | Nouveau is not really going anywhere | May 26 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | it takes so long to get progress on a project like that, that the progress is nullified by the length of time it took to get there | May 26 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | it's masturbation | May 26 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | the Free ATI driver is moving 10 times faster and still isn't gaining much ground | May 26 20:57 |
| MinceR | no, it's not masturbation | May 26 20:58 |
| MinceR | it's an attempt to do the right thing despite getting no support from nvidia | May 26 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | it's a treadmill | May 26 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | you can go as far as you want and not get anywhere | May 26 20:59 |
| MinceR | and it already does more than the supported free drivers so far (nv and vesa) | May 26 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia abandoned NV | May 26 20:59 |
| MinceR | so they already got somewhere | May 26 20:59 |
| MinceR | ok, now read the entire line | May 26 20:59 |
| MinceR | believe me, reading isn't difficult, it can be learned and practiced | May 26 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | anything is better than vesa | May 26 20:59 |
| MinceR | now you're starting to get it | May 26 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | vesa is a barebones minimal "What the fuck happened!?!?" emergency backup driver :) | May 26 21:00 |
| MinceR | nouveau can do some 3d acceleration already | May 26 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | not much | May 26 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | and it took a long time to get that much | May 26 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | on some cards | May 26 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | not old cards, not new cards | May 26 21:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Latvia’s Digital Independence Under Attack by #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/03oae my latest attempt to explain Latvia's pain | May 26 21:01 | |
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| DaemonFC | this sounds familiar | May 26 21:01 |
| MinceR | and once again you forget that not every PC is a gaming machine or a graphics workstation | May 26 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, if you have an integrated Nvidia chipset on a PC sitting in a library | May 26 21:02 |
| MinceR | or that in the case the user loses access to the nonfree driver, they'll still be better off with nouveau than nv or vesa | May 26 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | Nouveau will probably be good enough | May 26 21:02 |
| MinceR | or if you've reassigned a former gaming machine to another task | May 26 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmmm | May 26 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | benefit of glass coffee table | May 26 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | waving a cat toy over it and watching the catch bonk himself on the head trying to get it | May 26 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | May 26 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | he never learns | May 26 21:06 |
| *DaemonFC should have gotten a dog | May 26 21:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] The oil leak in the Mexican Gulf only uncovers the fact that the US goverment is a thief. Stealing other ppl's oil hiding their own. | May 26 21:34 | |
| schestowitz | re blankenhorn:http://identi.ca/conversation/33521211#notice-33671477 "@schestowitz I second that ZDNet isn't journalism, but they claim he's been a business journalist for 30 years." | May 26 21:40 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @omar_s_hafez I guess you don't understand that those are US territorial waters and the "Gulf of Mexico" is just a name? | May 26 21:41 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] Google wants ideas on how to stop the oil spill. May I suggest plugging it with the executives, lobbyists, and Republicans that caused it? | May 26 21:44 | |
| schestowitz | Cheney :-) | May 26 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Deregulation | May 26 21:44 |
| schestowitz | They could spend half a million dollars on some valve of some sort | May 26 21:44 |
| schestowitz | But poor BP couldn't spare $500,000 on safety amid record profit | May 26 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Obama said they sent SWAT teams to other platforms | May 26 21:45 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.microsoft.com/latvija/press/2010/0301.mspx | May 26 21:45 |
| schestowitz | > | May 26 21:45 |
| schestowitz | > Riga Technical University need help!!! | May 26 21:45 |
| schestowitz | > And now they are partnering with SAP | May 26 21:45 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.rtu.lv/content/view/4139/1659/lang,lv/ | May 26 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | > | May 26 21:45 |
| schestowitz | > Can we can help and send letter to Mr. Ivars Knets and said that closed | May 26 21:45 |
| schestowitz | > technologies are devil??? | May 26 21:45 |
| schestowitz | > Please help RTU too!!! | May 26 21:45 |
| schestowitz | > RTU is infected! | May 26 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Plug it with politicians, executives, and lobbyists. | May 26 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | Then cover it in cement. :) | May 26 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Haha | May 26 21:47 |
| schestowitz | You cruel you! | May 26 21:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Now I'm not on facebook I'm getting pretty bored of the facebook privacy news | May 26 21:47 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: let them eat cement, send them down the tubes, watch them sh**ting their pants (with cement) down there | May 26 21:48 |
| schestowitz | ANyway, sick jokes here... | May 26 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | "First gather up all the politicians, executives, and lobbyists that caused it, then round up all the people that crone "Drill baby drill!!!", throw them in the hole, then fill it in with concrete." | May 26 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan, Indiana - How to Stop Oil Leak? | May 26 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 26 21:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Spin-off — Not Just Novell — is Up for Sale (Key Day Today) http://ur1.ca/03ong #LANDesk #Utah | May 26 21:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Novell is doing the only things is still knows how to do, namely assisting Microsoft and amassing patents http://ur1.ca/03opw #swpats | May 26 22:04 | |
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| DaemonFC | I'm going to make backups and then install Mandriva 2010.1 RC | May 26 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | it's sounding good about now | May 26 22:14 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: it does not have new themes | May 26 22:15 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: well it has differnet icons in Gnome for the system menu | May 26 22:15 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: 3rd June is the final by the way | May 26 22:16 |
| sebsebseb | which is also 10.10 alpha 1 | May 26 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | nah, I mean the state of "stuff" "feels" like it should work well on my system | May 26 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | it's a "hunch" | May 26 22:16 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: sure stuff like wireless that didn't just work in Ubuntu, is likely to just work on Mandriva or PC Linux OS, for a lot of them | May 26 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | brb, switch to desktop :P | May 26 22:16 |
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| DaemonFC | sebsebseb: Mandriva Cooker will turn into the final build | May 26 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | what happens is they leave a new Release file out for a week or so | May 26 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | and if you miss that, you're still on Cooker and will want to reformat :) | May 26 22:19 |
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| DaemonFC | bonus: they even stuffed Opera into the Non-Free repo | May 26 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | they said the license changed and now it doesn't have to be in the Powerpack-only repo | May 26 22:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell ’s Future in #FogComputing http://techrights.org/2010/05/26/cloud-computing-novell/ | May 26 22:21 | |
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| DaemonFC | Non-Free Contrib Backports should have Opera 10.53 in it when they finalize it | May 26 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | seems like they keep getting close to releasing a Linux version of Opera 10.5x then back off | May 26 22:22 |
| MinceR | http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-06/uosc-fk062006.php | May 26 22:24 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Pine Tree [pic] http://ff.im/kYr4a | May 26 23:01 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Playing with shotwell. Not sure it's living up to the hype. | May 26 23:02 | |
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| _goblin | bonjour | May 26 23:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW: Lay of the land. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/35449.html | May 26 23:09 | |
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| DaemonFC | h.264... | May 26 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | what can I say? | May 26 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | It's like a deferred interest credit card | May 26 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | "Don't worry about what the bill will be when we get around to sending it to you. Just sit down and enjoy your 80" Plasma television..." | May 26 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | "This could be yours today, just sign here!" | May 26 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | "No interest until next year!" *(When it all compounds and hits you at once) | May 26 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | "Don't worry if you can't pay us back. We're too big to fail. That's why you pay taxes!" :) | May 26 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | "What do you mean you're happy with what you have? That LITTLE thing can't possibly match ours!" | May 26 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | "Wait, where are you going!? OK, you asked for it. We'll SUE you if you don't pay us for ours!" | May 26 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 26 23:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Lawyers Try to Marry #Free Software and Software Patents in #Brussels http://ur1.ca/03p7v #interoperability with #swpats #lobby | May 26 23:16 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Patent Troll (MPEG-LA) May Own Your Personal/Family Videos http://ur1.ca/03p82 #swpats #patents #antitrust | May 26 23:17 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Technically, they own whatever you put in their formats | May 26 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | it's like locking your belongings into their suitcase then leasing the suitcase | May 26 23:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/25/AR2010052501587.html?wprss=rss_business/economy | May 26 23:19 |
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| DaemonFC | music is even better, it's like locking someone else's property into the MPEG Cartel's suitcase then renting both | May 26 23:19 |
| schestowitz | go get a crib, ryan | May 26 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Inform my landlord will you? | May 26 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 26 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | I dunno | May 26 23:20 |
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| DaemonFC | he has rent-to-own houses | May 26 23:20 |
| schestowitz | My brother does some video in Android this week and in the SDK he only has the option h.263 [sic] and MPEG | May 26 23:20 |
| schestowitz | So he asks me which to use | May 26 23:20 |
| oiaohm | http://fridrich.blogspot.com/2010/05/experimental-evolution-installer-for.html | May 26 23:21 |
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| oiaohm | That is interesting. | May 26 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Turns out is Ogg only supported for audio (vorbis) in Android | May 26 23:21 |
| schestowitz | So the cartel of trolls is everywhere | May 26 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Fake 'choice' | May 26 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Apparently Google is paying for licenses but uses open source stuff as leverage | May 26 23:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/25/AR2010052505316.html?nav=rss_business/industries | May 26 23:22 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yeah | May 26 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | how else would you explain them taking a nosedive into h.264 land for Youtube? | May 26 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Same with Microsoft | May 26 23:22 |
| schestowitz | ActiveSync for example | May 26 23:22 |
| oiaohm | h.264 they were already using inslide flash DaemonFC | May 26 23:22 |
| oiaohm | Under flash you don't have many options of codecs. DaemonFC | May 26 23:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/26/business/global/26ecb.html?partner=rss&emc=rss | May 26 23:23 |
| Techrights | Title: News Analysis - Doubts Grow That European Central Bank Can Stem Debt Crisis - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 77.34 KB | May 26 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: Apparently Adobe is adding VP8 and Vorbis support inside flash videos | May 26 23:23 |
| oiaohm | That is now DaemonFC | May 26 23:23 |
| oiaohm | But google has a big back long of files. | May 26 23:24 |
| oiaohm | So they were trying for the lazy way out. | May 26 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but you're not paying license fees for MPEG directly if you use Flash video | May 26 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | you're paying it all to Adobe | May 26 23:24 |
| oiaohm | No | May 26 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | they probably get a better deal than you | May 26 23:24 |
| oiaohm | Why google released VP8 is they read the licence. | May 26 23:24 |
| oiaohm | You have to pay MPEGLA to encode. | May 26 23:25 |
| oiaohm | And transcode | May 26 23:25 |
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| DaemonFC | so the license said MPEG-LA really owned a lot of it then? | May 26 23:25 |
| oiaohm | That you have adobe product you are not covered. Adobe licence allows them to produce the produce but not you to do anything. | May 26 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | and Google wanted to reverse that statement | May 26 23:25 |
| oiaohm | Basically google has worked out the bottom line. | May 26 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | VP8 isn't bad | May 26 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | I was testing out WebM in Opera | May 26 23:27 |
| oiaohm | Its how MPEG-LA licences out. | May 26 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | very smooth even on hardware that Flash kills | May 26 23:27 |
| oiaohm | Its also what has nero up in arms. | May 26 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | like my old laptop | May 26 23:27 |
| oiaohm | Because nero has worked out that the licence they got does not cover there users. | May 26 23:27 |
| oiaohm | And MPEG-LA does not release a licence that covers users. | May 26 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | Nero is a bunch of rat bastard sons of bitches that deserve to be cut up and sent to the Hell of soaking in salt water | May 26 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | but they're suing MPEG Cartel, so yay | May 26 23:28 |
| oiaohm | This case Nero is being good. | May 26 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 26 23:28 |
| oiaohm | Yes I know rare. | May 26 23:28 |
| oiaohm | Really Adobe should sue as well. | May 26 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | they have a Nero Linux which is surprisingly not bad apparently | May 26 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | their software on Windows is like "Release the Kracken!!!" | May 26 23:29 |
| oiaohm | Used works better and more stable than the windows. | May 26 23:29 |
| oiaohm | Issue feature suxs against K3B on Linux. | May 26 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | I hate software that tries to do everything | May 26 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | because it does do everything, poorly | May 26 23:29 |
| oiaohm | Blender trys todo everything. | May 26 23:30 |
| oiaohm | Does everything in final render good. | May 26 23:30 |
| oiaohm | User interface was out to kill you. | May 26 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | I can understand it if it's at least vaguely related to the primary use of the software | May 26 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | like Opera has an email and IRC client and a simple file server | May 26 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | ok, they're small, they work well, they integrate | May 26 23:30 |
| oiaohm | They either do everything poorly. Or they do almost everything perfect but the one bit you use all the time is a prick. | May 26 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | Nero started off burning CDs and now it's supposed to be a music editing suit, a photo editing suite, and a video editing suite | May 26 23:31 |
| oiaohm | With applications that do everything. DaemonFC | May 26 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | and it stuffs your browsers with plugsins you didn't want | May 26 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | and its own search engine | May 26 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 26 23:31 |
| oiaohm | Only thing Blender is not is a audio editer and a disk burner. | May 26 23:31 |
| oiaohm | Yet you can add those as extentions. | May 26 23:31 |
| oiaohm | Really Nero is not a true all in one tool. | May 26 23:32 |
| oiaohm | http://meego.com/community/blogs/imad/2010/meego-v1.0-core-software-platform-netbook-user-experience-project-release First Meego is out | May 26 23:35 |
| Techrights | Title: MeeGo v1.0 Core Software Platform & Netbook User Experience project release | MeeGo .::. Size~: 18 KB | May 26 23:35 |
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| DaemonFC | Mandriva has some slow mirrors for their betas | May 26 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | I'm only pulling 350 K/sec | May 26 23:50 |
| *WireWulf-away is now known as WireWulf | May 26 23:52 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @schestowitz: Patent Troll (MPEG-LA) May Own Your Personal/Family Videos http://ur1.ca/03p82 #swpats #patents #antitrust | May 26 23:55 | |
| Techrights | Title: Patent Troll (MPEG-LA) May Own Your Personal/Family Videos | Techrights .::. Size~: 96.34 KB | May 26 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Until they change their minds | May 26 23:57 |
| schestowitz | How so? | May 26 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | you can make your own personal collection free of charge | May 26 23:59 |
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