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cubezzzwhat did AMD call their version of pentium?May 29 00:00
cubezzzAm586?May 29 00:00
DaemonFCyesMay 29 00:00
schestowitzre Fry " He was always a Mac fan. He bought the second Mac in the UK after all..." http://identi.ca/conversation/33790233#notice-33949400  @fabsh wow. I didn't know it goes so far backMay 29 00:00
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schestowitzFry for GNUMay 29 00:01
schestowitz*LOL* May 29 00:01
schestowitzBad endorsement, good thing they demoted it a bitMay 29 00:01
cubezzzI never liked MacMay 29 00:02
cubezzznot programmer friendlyMay 29 00:02
schestowitzMachMay 29 00:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Programmers Target SaaS, #Django 1.2 Released http://ur1.ca/0454n http://ur1.ca/0454oMay 29 00:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open #Hardware : Signs of Early Success http://ur1.ca/0454s http://ur1.ca/0454t #willowgarageMay 29 00:02
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TechrightsTitle: Open source 3D printers abound at Maker Faire - Video - Techworld.com .::. Size~: 138.98 KBMay 29 00:02
TechrightsTitle: Five Reasons Willow Garage is Going to Succeed | Singularity Hub .::. Size~: 34.04 KBMay 29 00:02
cubezzzAMD seems to be doing great financiallyMay 29 00:02
schestowitzcubezzz: I never developer for itMay 29 00:02
cubezzzme neitherMay 29 00:02
schestowitzJust Windows and Linux TBHMay 29 00:03
schestowitzcubezzz: really?May 29 00:03
schestowitzWhere?May 29 00:03
schestowitzIn the Middle East?May 29 00:03
schestowitzALl the chipmakers sell more nowMay 29 00:03
cubezzzumm, just the numbers on wikipediaMay 29 00:03
cubezzzall in the greenMay 29 00:03
schestowitzToday I found out that my profession is the fastest growingMay 29 00:03
schestowitzBut I'm not practicing it muchMay 29 00:03
cubezzzI'm pretty close to AMD Markham actuallyMay 29 00:04
schestowitzI think I can carry on wit techrights for a while longer, it's more personally fufilling and important to othersMay 29 00:04
schestowitzMarkham?May 29 00:04
schestowitzWhoz dat?May 29 00:04
cubezzzschestowitz, did you know AMD goes back to the 8080 chip?May 29 00:04
cubezzzMarkham, the city :)May 29 00:04
schestowitzNever heard of itMay 29 00:05
cubezzzeast side of Metro TorontoMay 29 00:05
schestowitzNear trmancoMay 29 00:05
schestowitzre Fry: "Yep, he's a die hard Mac guy. Always has been." http://identi.ca/conversation/33791324#notice-33950342May 29 00:05
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MinceRArkham :>May 29 00:06
schestowitzFSF messed up using him for promotionMay 29 00:06
cubezzzI've lost track of AMD latelyMay 29 00:06
cubezzzfor my next FOSS box I'm going to have to book up on itMay 29 00:06
MinceRgnMay 29 00:07
schestowitzhttp://www.osor.eu/news/tr-ministry-of-justice-and-law-courts-consider-open-source-desktopMay 29 00:07
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schestowitzMinceR: cya in the mornMay 29 00:07
cubezzzI'll start with an E-ATX mid-tower May 29 00:08
cubezzzand I still need that eprom burnerMay 29 00:10
DaemonFCI found pictures of an exMay 29 00:13
DaemonFCeeeekMay 29 00:13
DaemonFCthe things people do to themselvesMay 29 00:13
DaemonFCin that list, dying your hair bright blond is probably not on the topMay 29 00:14
DaemonFCbut eeeeek nonethelessMay 29 00:14
DaemonFCnot that I have anything against blonds, but you can tell the difference between a blond and someone who spend $10 at WalmartMay 29 00:15
DaemonFCschestowitz: Why are people intent on changing themselves?May 29 00:17
DaemonFCIt goes from benign (dying hair) to outright mutilation (piercings, tattoos, etc.)May 29 00:18
DaemonFCwhat is the fixation?May 29 00:18
DaemonFCsign of a mental illness?May 29 00:19
DaemonFCMinceR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEP7uti0PDwMay 29 00:21
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DaemonFCthere's one you should get a cringe fromMay 29 00:21
DaemonFC:PMay 29 00:21
DaemonFCthe fact that they let her walk with $10,000 shows you this country us fucked upMay 29 00:22
DaemonFCthey should have euthanized her for the good of the rest of societyMay 29 00:23
DaemonFCKelly Bundy DOES exist!May 29 00:24
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schestowitzJesseMay 29 00:34
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/33790233#notice-33952987 "erhaps the love affair was thrown over for a financial arrangement?  I'm disappointed"May 29 00:50
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Iron Baby http://ur1.ca/03wfi !miotdMay 29 01:27
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] BP fails to plug well, junk shot is a failure. Can we just declare them as terrorists and get it over with already? http://ur1.ca/045itMay 29 01:37
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Signing out for the evening. Have a great weekend, folks!May 29 01:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @diablod3 BP fails to plug well, [...] Can we just declare them as terrorists and get it over with already? http://ur1.ca/045itMay 29 02:00
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tessierI thought they wouldn't know if it succeeded until Sunday?May 29 02:00
tessierhttp://i.imgur.com/gUCNk.jpgMay 29 02:28
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] “We’re in the Era of Digital Video, and It’s a Mess,” –Steve Jobs, MPEG-LA Proponent/Lobbyist http://ur1.ca/045s7May 29 02:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Corruption Around #Microsoft Shares Settled http://techrights.org/2010/05/28/pequot-settlement/ #PequotMay 29 02:56
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #MPEG cartel also patents genes http://techrights.org/2010/05/28/patent-violation-upon-birth/ #swpatsMay 29 03:11
TechrightsTitle: Today We Conquer Algorithms, Tomorrow& Earthly Life! | Techrights .::. Size~: 101.05 KBMay 29 03:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Fwd: http://imgur.com/tbMVk #myki, 1) $1.3 billion dollars down the drain, 2) it doesn't f'ing work, 3) it runs on... http://ff.im/l6r6xMay 29 05:27
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TechrightsTitle: Fwd: http://imgur.com/tbMVk #myki, 1) $1.3... - Toby Thain - FriendFeed .::. Size~: 7.73 KBMay 29 05:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@icanonlybebree Well yes, there are far worse things than that in #water. That's my point.May 29 05:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #myki, 1) $1.3 billion dollars down the drain, 2) it doesn't f'ing work, 3) it runs on Windows CE - epic #FAIL (via... http://ff.im/l6sRmMay 29 05:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Palin paranoid 'biographer' might peep on 'family swimming hole'. How did this aristocrat get picked to speak for ordinary americans again?May 29 06:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] didn't want to tweet this & offend my lovely hosts, but KICK ASS has perilously little to recommend it as a movie...May 29 06:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@a_picazo Fact Check: Spill is NOT ‘Unprecedented’ - #Oil // the SCALE, corporate chutzpah + incompetence may be though. cc @avivaoMay 29 06:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@GreeGreece @Pinkomomma hypocrites like Tony Blair profess 2 be religious /many mendacious cynics hiding bhd 'Christ' #Harper #Howard #BushMay 29 06:37
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @jgrindal Wow, just got a scathing call from mgmt, req I tone down my twitter info //& that was final transmission from him. fukrs! #oilMay 29 06:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] http://thebigcaption.com/post/561505872/drill-baby-drill-originalMay 29 06:47
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] http://thebigcaption.com/post/561505872/drill-baby-drill-original #typographyMay 29 06:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@elsacorral I'm still stunned that I managed to put 'Palin' and 'aristocrat' in the same sentence. #Howzat!May 29 06:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] http://thebigcaption.com/post/561505872/drill-baby-drill-original #typography h/t @eikonosMay 29 07:05
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @daweonline #STIX Project Releases huge Scientific #Fonts Set http://bit.ly/b37pSB #typography #stl #sil #ofl #typesetting Great!May 29 07:47
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @MohannadKhairy comprehensively: Canadian govt's disgraceful position in Middle East: http://ow.ly/1RtHf #HarperMustGo #cdnpoli #canadaMay 29 07:53
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Israel's long-term problem: There *is* no rational or moral basis for supporting it. Time is running out on such absurd positions.May 29 07:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @kirillcool Nicolas Cage strikes again. It's not how low he can go. just a different type of low. #kickass // Rating: SRSLY DON'T BOTHERMay 29 07:58
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@elsacorral Phillip Adams was, of course, an ad-man by trade :)May 29 08:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@scottEweinberg pisses me off @david_cornelius doesn't have more followers; Grade-A #movies geek & fine writer //ok,ok,followed already #ffMay 29 08:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @MohannadKhairy Canadian govt's disgraceful position in Middle East http://ow.ly/1RtHf #harper #cdnpoli /omits barring of George GallowayMay 29 08:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@david_cornelius (I'm a bit concerned, though, that @scottEweinberg has that much power.) // start worrying when he asks us to UNfollowMay 29 08:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@a_picazo Report: Most #Gitmo detainees low-level fighters http://bit.ly/bZO5Xo #p2 // I guess that is the new euphemism for 'ordinary joe'May 29 08:24
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] analyst response 2 #Europe's austerity measures shows that any hint of sustainable behaviour is sharply discouraged. Explains a lot. #spainMay 29 08:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Foxconn: Here's what u do. Raise worker pay. Improve worker conditions. Stop underpricng yr shit way below *real* costs. #apple #chinasucksMay 29 08:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Foxconn if you can't manufacture sustainably, cleanly & safely then just die, preferably asap. Rest of #chinasucks. #apple, #pc underpricedMay 29 08:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@derrickveejay #Boycott #Foxconn. #Apple. #Dell. #Sony. #Nintendo. //not enuf; ban ALL unsustainable chinese+sweatshop products #chinasucksMay 29 08:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Got three days off. What to do? Articles for Openbytes, a pub lunch and Doctor Who on #bbc later....great stuff.May 29 08:54
tessierThe whole Foxconn thing may be misunderstoodMay 29 08:56
tessierhttp://www.cringely.com/2010/05/death-by-foxconn/May 29 08:57
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schestowitzYes, I read thatMay 29 08:57
schestowitzI also linked to itMay 29 08:57
schestowitzBut it doesn't make the sweatshops any more ethicalMay 29 08:57
tessierThe problem is the whole govt there.May 29 08:58
schestowitzI think they want to draw attention to poor working conditions imposed by the West. Suicides are a good opportunity to latch ontoMay 29 08:58
schestowitztessier: yes, that tooMay 29 08:58
tessierInstitute a minimum wage and some basic workers right across the board.May 29 08:58
tessierWithout that capitalism will play out like this.May 29 08:58
tessierWhen you are that poor you are happy for your sweatshop job.May 29 08:59
schestowitzIt does not exactly justify itMay 29 08:59
schestowitzWe had this discussion before and I was reminded of an explanation I once listened toMay 29 08:59
schestowitzThe solution is to remove the conditions under which this becomes necessaryMay 29 08:59
schestowitzSame with pr0n to someMay 29 09:00
schestowitzSome people turn to pr0n industry because they must make quick cashMay 29 09:00
schestowitzNevertheless, it doesn't justify the  apparent 'subjugation' it is to some peopleMay 29 09:00
schestowitzSelling their dignityMay 29 09:00
schestowitzSo the solution is to remove conditions which lead people to participation in pr0n unless they really want that. Same with prostitutionMay 29 09:01
tessieryeahMay 29 09:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Funny thing about unsustainable practices. They END, by definition. Extra points for stopping early. #oil #greed #china #sustainabilityMay 29 09:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell ’s Software Patents and #Microsoft Copycats Turn Into Greater Threats to #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/047b8 #mono #swpatsMay 29 09:19
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schestowitz"PJ: Because what's more important than making sure your right hand knows what your left hand is doing? Perhaps Microsoft could adopt a new slogan: Don't Look Evil."May 29 09:22
schestowitzhttp://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=128905&nid=114735May 29 09:50
TechrightsTitle: MediaPost Publications Facebook User Feels Violated, Sues  05/26/2010 .::. Size~: 65.14 KBMay 29 09:50
schestowitz"Bruce Perens, author of The Cathedral & Bazaar," http://saviorodrigues.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/implications-of-googles-webm-license-on-open-source-selection/May 29 10:19
schestowitzheheMay 29 10:19
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schestowitz"Good riddance to OSI if you ask me. It was/IS nothing but an effort to fleece/Con the Free Software movement into supporting Microsoft Crap."May 29 10:19
Diablo-D3[05:16:24] <schestowitz> "Bruce Perens, author of The Cathedral & Bazaar," http://saviorodrigues.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/implications-of-googles-webm-license-on-open-source-selection/May 29 10:20
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Diablo-D3whatMay 29 10:20
schestowitzHe crossed that out laterMay 29 10:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Rude comment: "Good riddance to OSI if you ask me. [..]Con the Free Software movement into supporting Microsoft Crap." http://ur1.ca/047kaMay 29 10:21
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Please submit OpenBooks at Wikipress.in http://post.ly/hmwPMay 29 10:23
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schestowitzhttp://www.fsdaily.com/Industry/HP_To_Ditch_Windows_7_For_Homegrown_OS_InformationWeek#comment-6005May 29 10:42
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schestowitz"Vista 7 slate has been indeed dropped."May 29 10:42
schestowitz:-DMay 29 10:42
schestowitzWe created a "Vista 7" meme May 29 10:42
schestowitzhttp://games.slashdot.org/story/10/05/28/2131225/US-Navy-Considering-emWii-Fitem-and-emDDRem-For-Boot-CampMay 29 10:50
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schestowitzMonday Wii FitMay 29 10:50
schestowitzTuesday shooting at suspicious civiliansMay 29 10:50
schestowitzWednesday Wii FitMay 29 10:50
schestowitzThursday attending a funeralMay 29 10:50
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Super: It is 40 degree C and it feels like 47 degree C #bad #weather #chennaiMay 29 11:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Abbey/Sandander is getting on my nerves. Two weekends in a row they have declined online purchases. Last week Amazon.com, this week Steam.May 29 11:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Mixed Washington Post distro review opens with "No Windows viruses" rather than viruses or computer viruses good for them http://is.gd/cubWMMay 29 11:07
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @satipera he is quite security focused at WashPostMay 29 11:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Abbey say the transactions for steam _were_ authorised, steam says they weren't. Fail.May 29 11:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Steam tells me my address is formatted incorrectly, and card declined, bank say it wasn't declined at all. Steam fail?May 29 11:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Lost '80s pop classic: Puppets "Way Of Life" http://is.gd/cucH2 http://is.gd/cucJP http://is.gd/cucKPMay 29 11:23
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Messing with SDL....great fun...... Why is a demoscene party mostly Amiga/Linux users, yet still insist on DX....? More exposure I suppose.May 29 11:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Having said that Birdie 2010 has had numerous Linux releases...A good sign that the scene is finally taking hold on Linux? #demosceneMay 29 11:35
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ArvisowMay 29 11:46
schestowitzHiMay 29 11:46
schestowitzWhat are those programs about?May 29 11:46
schestowitzAnd why just IP address and no domain name?May 29 11:46
ArviserrMay 29 11:46
Arvisthats how firefox copied it for meMay 29 11:46
Arvisthey are about most popular programMay 29 11:47
schestowitzAh, OKMay 29 11:47
ArvissMay 29 11:47
Arvisthese get developed for everyoneMay 29 11:47
schestowitzApple stores are full of cheatersMay 29 11:47
Arvisso is that siteMay 29 11:47
schestowitzBut that doesn't make it acceptable to mass-vteMay 29 11:47
schestowitzArvis: KDE-files and GNOME-files too to an extentMay 29 11:47
schestowitzWhen I was in MATLAB Central some people cheated, I didn'tMay 29 11:48
ArvisIts automated system. There's people who do it so and win so with stupid ideasMay 29 11:48
schestowitzIt's a waste of time and devalues the achievementMay 29 11:48
ArvisI mean who would make PS3 emulator for phone?May 29 11:48
schestowitzThat's Symbian, no?May 29 11:48
ArvisyesMay 29 11:48
ArvisIt will never happenMay 29 11:48
schestowitzhttp://217.149.58.248/campaign/fun-and-games-apps?user=ArvisMay 29 11:48
schestowitzNokia is moving more to MeeGo now (Linux)May 29 11:49
schestowitzWe need help thereMay 29 11:49
Arvisnot exactlyMay 29 11:49
schestowitzTo remove MonoMay 29 11:49
schestowitzArvis: in due timeMay 29 11:49
schestowitzSymbian will be open more for historical reasonsMay 29 11:49
ArviskindofMay 29 11:49
schestowitzIt's too expensive to keep upMay 29 11:49
Arvisthey are going to maemoMay 29 11:49
Arvisbut also stay with symbianMay 29 11:49
schestowitzNoMay 29 11:49
schestowitzMaemo->MeegoMay 29 11:49
ArviskkMay 29 11:49
schestowitz1.0 release just announcedMay 29 11:49
schestowitzAnd we have problems thereMay 29 11:49
schestowitzNovell is trying to put Mono in itMay 29 11:49
schestowitzMicrosoft C#May 29 11:49
schestowitzWith patent problemsMay 29 11:50
schestowitzAs you may know, Novell is being soldMay 29 11:50
schestowitzAlong with its patents that can hurt UNIX and LinuxMay 29 11:50
schestowitzSo we need to ensure Nokia is not encumbered with Mono appsMay 29 11:50
schestowitzhttp://www.itworld.com/open-source/109262/meego-10-offers-devs-stable-platform-few-surprisesMay 29 11:50
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schestowitzScreenshotsMay 29 11:50
Arvis:oMay 29 11:51
schestowitzArvis: that server is tango-248.srv.hosting.fiMay 29 11:52
schestowitzProbably Nokia serverMay 29 11:52
Arvisit is i knowMay 29 11:52
Arvisit was linked from official nokia youtube chanMay 29 11:53
schestowitzAnyway, we need to make sure the world's biggest phone maker keeps it clean of problems like MonoMay 29 11:53
schestowitzThat's a proposal some want to already raise this wekMay 29 11:53
schestowitz*WeekMay 29 11:53
oiaohmNever is a very long time ArvisMay 29 11:53
schestowitzNokia is shuffling staff now... managers filyingMay 29 11:53
schestowitzThey have a lot of trouble against Google and othersMay 29 11:53
schestowitzThey even sued Apple and made a deal with Microsoft last monthMay 29 11:54
schestowitzoiaohm: Nokia will say "never" for certaintyMay 29 11:54
schestowitzImagine being a Symbian dev and Nokia tells you it'll expire soonMay 29 11:54
schestowitzWon't workMay 29 11:54
schestowitzALso, remember what they did to Maemo/N900 devsMay 29 11:55
schestowitzThey basically pulled the rug under them with MeeGoMay 29 11:55
schestowitzNo warning, no update of firmware for N900 (Maemo->Meego)May 29 11:55
oiaohmAddress is wrong ArvisMay 29 11:55
oiaohmNokia has their own name servers that all their sites and workers machines link back to.  ArvisMay 29 11:56
Arviswhat addressMay 29 11:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @xlerb Zuckerberg has offended me greatly: http://xrl.be/0u8 (h/t @littlecalculist)May 29 11:56
ArvisIts Nokias siteMay 29 11:56
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Arvislinked from nokias youubeMay 29 11:56
oiaohm217.149.58.248  is out side the nokia range.May 29 11:56
Arvisits n8makemyapp.comMay 29 11:56
Arvisjust some links lead to hat ip on that siteMay 29 11:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @davidgerard RT @xlerb Zuckerberg has offended me greatly: http://xrl.be/0u8 (h/t @littlecalculist)May 29 11:57
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oiaohm212.53.89.138 is n8makemyapps.com.  That links to ns0.netbenefit.co.uk name server provider and is not nokia main.  Instead is a sub company contracted todo support.May 29 11:59
oiaohmSomething is off with your link basically.May 29 12:00
oiaohmThe address gave is not linked to the right name server for site you say it releated to ArvisMay 29 12:01
schestowitzMaybe the YouTUbe clip was a spoofMay 29 12:01
ArvisNokia shouldn't give shit to peopleMay 29 12:01
schestowitzBut unless the site has malware in it, I fail to see anything potentially rogueMay 29 12:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Oh crap. My 3 year old son is singing Justin Bieber songs.May 29 12:02
oiaohmBasically information not adding up.May 29 12:02
oiaohmYoutube has a lot of pr spoofers on it.May 29 12:03
ArvisI meanMay 29 12:03
Arvisthat nokia channelMay 29 12:03
oiaohmNot everything you find their is true.May 29 12:03
Arviswith unreleased stuffMay 29 12:03
Arvisonly nokia can haveMay 29 12:03
oiaohmReally you blieve that.May 29 12:03
oiaohmNever been to china and seen the fakes.May 29 12:04
ArvisI doMay 29 12:04
ArvisThere's no reason why notMay 29 12:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] 'Had it crashed? Or was it being sarcastic?' Charlie Brooker on the iPad | Technology | The Guardian http://tinyurl.com/397a3z6May 29 12:14
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oiaohmFound it as I said something was off schestowitz.  Its UK nokia.   Not finland Nokia.  They have hosted on a finland host to look more above board.May 29 12:16
oiaohmWith the competition.May 29 12:16
oiaohmInternal company stupidity strikes again.May 29 12:17
schestowitz:-)May 29 12:54
schestowitzSee what I just posted in #boycottnovell-socialMay 29 12:54
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/richnusgeeks/statuses/14966558461 "@nsisodiya @schestowitz Stallman already mentioned this threat a long time ago. #gnu #foss #mono"May 29 12:55
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schestowitzbasically, Groklaw is also starting to speak out against MonoMay 29 12:55
MinceRj0May 29 13:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora 13 Replaces F-Spot ( #Mono ) With Shotwell (Vala), #MeeGo Still Mono Encumbered http://ur1.ca/0487u #nokia #swpatsMay 29 13:20
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Playing portal. How far behind the rest of the planet am I? :)May 29 13:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @gopalraju Bring Down #IE6 http://www.bringdownie6.com/ -- #design #www good cause even if you *don't* despise #microsoftMay 29 13:49
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@MagnaCumLaude @Kellbo0 I have to scream God Damnit to get my dog to do anything // why do you think they call it 'dog whistle' #politics.May 29 13:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google to Make WebM #GPL Compatible — Claim http://ur1.ca/048d0 #gnu #fsf #swpats #webm #vp8 #mpeg #cartelMay 29 13:55
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] MT @mparent77772 In Philadelphia, #Microsoft 'School of Future' Is A Disaster 4 The Kids. Question Rush To Privatize! http://bit.ly/95hbtSMay 29 13:57
TechrightsTitle: In Philadelphia, Microsoft 'School of The Future' Is A Disaster For The Kids. Why The Rush To Privatize? | Crooks and Liars .::. Size~: 159.65 KBMay 29 13:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @mparent77772 End blockade of #Gaza, #EU tells #Israel http://bit.ly/dqkzIL #war #genocideMay 29 13:58
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@mparent77772 The #BP Disaster Is Like #Katrina In One Important Way http://bit.ly/bL890i // oh! oh! don't tell me! I know this one!May 29 14:05
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@etsyjulianne What was it #Bush did that kept media on a feeding frenzy for 6 yrs? //can only assume u mean, 'gave a free pass for 2 terms'May 29 14:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @mparent77772 #Israel must sign #NPT, 189 countries say http://bit.ly/bDgpmv #wmdMay 29 14:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @GreatIndianSale Indian State #Kerala starts 10yr move 2 All-#Organic #Farming http://bit.ly/bg79xc RT @GMWatch /leading the way as usualMay 29 14:30
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schestowitztessier: something is up with apache, I thinkMay 29 14:35
schestowitzAre you there?May 29 14:35
schestowitzIt returns error on all pagesMay 29 14:37
schestowitzAlso the WikiMay 29 14:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] wait, wait, #Foxconn offering COUNSELLING to stem spate of factory worker suicides?! <me blinks> http://bit.ly/cbljmiMay 29 14:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] 3rd day sick in bed. Meh. Listening to obscure lost '80s classics. Now: Martin Hall/Under For. http://is.gd/cunGK http://is.gd/cunI6May 29 15:05
TechrightsTitle: Under For on MySpace Music - Free Streaming MP3s, Pictures & Music Downloads .::. Size~: 67.73 KBMay 29 15:05
TechrightsTitle: Cassette tapes / Old New wave and Industrial music lp's and c.d's: Under For - Apparently all the Same - 1984 = Martin Hall .::. Size~: 34.6 KBMay 29 15:05
schestowitzping tessier ....May 29 15:06
tessierpongMay 29 15:13
tessierlookingMay 29 15:13
schestowitzthanks :_DMay 29 15:13
schestowitzSorry for phoning at such a late/early hourMay 29 15:14
schestowitzoiaohm and I have tried resolving this in the other IRC channel, but it seems like a proxy issueMay 29 15:14
tessierRestarted httpd and it came backMay 29 15:14
schestowitzCoPilotCo works perfectlyMay 29 15:14
schestowitzThanks, tessier!May 29 15:15
tessierCopilotco goes through the proxy also. Maybe I should cron them both to restart automatically each night or something.May 29 15:15
schestowitzwas apachectl restart the wrong command to use? Never mind, you probably want to get back to sleep :-)May 29 15:15
schestowitztessier: thanks so much, I'm relieved as I though this could last many hoursMay 29 15:16
schestowitz*thoughtMay 29 15:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Not #identica? ♺@glynmoody Eric Raymond joins #Twitter http://bit.ly/9qvXzC "Yes, I *am* that ESR." well, of course... #esrMay 29 15:18
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ender2070goblin told me I have no right to tweetMay 29 15:21
ender2070what a toolMay 29 15:21
schestowitzIt's weird. Why was he hostile?May 29 15:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How Pequot Capital made money through a former Microsoft employee it hired (David Zilkha) and helped fund SCO litigation http://ur1.ca/048prMay 29 15:22
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ender2070hes nutsMay 29 15:22
schestowitzMaybe he doesn't connect "pwnage" with who you are, thinking you are hostileMay 29 15:22
schestowitzender2070: noMay 29 15:22
schestowitzHe misidentifiedMay 29 15:22
schestowitzHe probably thought you were on the side of the dildo merchantMay 29 15:23
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ender2070he could have asked many things politelyMay 29 15:25
ender2070without flying off the handleMay 29 15:25
ender2070or jumping to conclusionsMay 29 15:26
ender2070I posted a vid of david, how is that on his side? LOLMay 29 15:26
ender2070it owned himMay 29 15:26
ender2070he made a '640K is all you need' type of statementMay 29 15:26
ender2070regarding cell phone carriersMay 29 15:26
schestowitzMay 29 15:30
schestowitz[15:25] <ender2070> he could have asked many things politelyMay 29 15:30
schestowitzI think he was deceived by the trollsMay 29 15:30
ender2070he mentioned being contacted by linsux peopleMay 29 15:31
schestowitzender2070: "hypephone is all I need"?May 29 15:31
schestowitzI reckon he still uses Apple products while sitting there in GNOME and ACCESSMay 29 15:31
ender2070yeahMay 29 15:31
ender2070he owns an ipad tooMay 29 15:31
schestowitz*LOL*May 29 15:31
ender2070http://caffeine.shugendo.orgMay 29 15:31
TechrightsTitle: Another Rant From “Lefty” | This is what too much caffeine can do to you, kids. .::. Size~: 35.27 KBMay 29 15:31
schestowitzNo wonder he hates the FSFMay 29 15:31
ender2070he wrote a new article todayMay 29 15:31
ender2070hes mad that the FSF is angry over the GPL violationsMay 29 15:32
schestowitzWhy link to it? These Apple cultists are a waste of timeMay 29 15:32
schestowitzThey onyl distractMay 29 15:32
schestowitzI ignore themMay 29 15:32
schestowitzWhen I canMay 29 15:32
ender2070you're rightMay 29 15:32
schestowitzender2070: yeah, nasty FSF defending those who code for FreedomMay 29 15:32
ender2070the headline "FSF: Have an iPhone? NO FREE SOFTWARE FOR YOU!"May 29 15:33
ender2070lolMay 29 15:33
ender2070he would prefer: "Have an iPhone? GPL exemption for you"May 29 15:33
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ender2070I wouldn't give up my rights to get into crapples software storeMay 29 15:34
_Goblinso this is positive is it ender?May 29 15:35
_Goblinpositive news?May 29 15:35
_Goblinhow many more nyms are you going to create?May 29 15:36
_GoblinI count 4May 29 15:36
_GoblinEnder, Atlasdx, Admin and now Brandon?May 29 15:36
_Goblinthought so....May 29 15:37
ender2070accusations of nymshiftingMay 29 15:38
ender2070#3May 29 15:38
ender2070admin is a wordpress default accountMay 29 15:38
ender2070brandon is my real nameMay 29 15:38
ender2070shut the fuck up trollMay 29 15:38
_GoblinlolMay 29 15:39
_Goblintroll....May 29 15:39
_Goblinyeah.May 29 15:39
_Goblinyouve got a hell of a following there on twitter.....May 29 15:39
_Goblinand your wordpress blog is simply buzzing.May 29 15:39
_GoblinI expect nymshifting isn't trolling (especially the way you approach people)May 29 15:40
_Goblinand I expect David didn't feel the need to speak to police about your behaviour.May 29 15:40
_Goblinyou need to grow up young man.May 29 15:40
_Goblinanyway....May 29 15:40
_Goblinright folks, roy and everyone else.  As a result of Ender's repMay 29 15:40
schestowitz[15:21] <ender2070> goblin told me I have no right to tweetMay 29 15:41
schestowitz[15:22] <schestowitz> He misidentifiedMay 29 15:41
schestowitz[15:23] <schestowitz> He probably thought you were on the side of the dildo merchantMay 29 15:41
MinceRhttp://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/05/at-last-the-open-source-iphone-killer/May 29 15:41
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_GoblinI did not misidentify roy I asked for clarificationMay 29 15:41
_Goblinread the comments section on his echo chamber of a blog.May 29 15:41
schestowitz_Goblin: what are you talking about?May 29 15:41
schestowitzHe doesn't nymshiftMay 29 15:41
_Goblinno?May 29 15:41
schestowitzWrong targetMay 29 15:42
schestowitz_Goblin: noMay 29 15:42
schestowitzI remember you once misindentifying some pro-Linux guy from India as a Microsoft shillMay 29 15:42
schestowitzThat was embarrassingMay 29 15:42
_Goblin?May 29 15:42
_GoblinreallyMay 29 15:42
schestowitzYesMay 29 15:42
schestowitzGosh, this is weirdMay 29 15:42
_GoblinIt wasn't I knew he was a linux user what I was pointing out....May 29 15:42
schestowitzYou're both on the same side fighting cause of the perps who pretend to be AstrowhateverMay 29 15:43
_Goblinwas that he added to FUD by highlighting differences that didnt exist between OS'sMay 29 15:43
schestowitzBut you need to see all the postsMay 29 15:43
_Goblininfact I used him as an example many times afterwards to show I tackled fud, either Windows or Linux based.May 29 15:43
schestowitzTuxMachines linked to him a lotMay 29 15:43
_Goblinso?May 29 15:43
schestowitzHe doesn't seem to write anymoreMay 29 15:43
_Goblinhe can't be challenged for writing misleading text about Linux>May 29 15:43
_Goblin?May 29 15:44
schestowitzSo if you read all his posts you'd see that he promotes Linux wellMay 29 15:44
schestowitz_Goblin: he can be challengedMay 29 15:44
_GoblinI KNOW HE DOES.  That wasn't why I challenged him. May 29 15:44
MinceR"i like linux, but..."May 29 15:44
schestowitzBut unless you know he was/is paid by Micosoft or always trolls Linux, you can't label himMay 29 15:44
_GoblinI challenged him because he made issue of simple things in relation to Linux when talking about the differences between the OS'sMay 29 15:44
_Goblinnothing to do with Microsoft Shill.May 29 15:44
schestowitzMinceR: ryan "likes Linux butt"May 29 15:45
MinceRewMay 29 15:45
schestowitzTuxMay 29 15:45
schestowitzDo birds have asses at all?May 29 15:45
schestowitzShaped like dinosaurs'May 29 15:45
_GoblinRight. Goodbye all.  See you all in cyberspace....May 29 15:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #XBMC finally hangs up on Microsoft’s Xbox, leaving the monopolistic company in more of an embarrassing state http://ur1.ca/048tyMay 29 15:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right....Peppermint article nearly finished......May 29 15:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] and I nearly forgot......its time for the top 5 metal for this weekend.....to follow.May 29 15:51
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schestowitzbblMay 29 15:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] #1 DIE APOKALYPTISCHEN REITER Downfall - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD5ml68B18o #metal #yourockonMay 29 15:53
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] #2 Children of Bodom - Oops I did it again (Britney Spears cover) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d7-2wooB9g #metal #yourockonMay 29 15:55
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Insane clown Posse - Boogie Woogie Wu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6haXnzV2xg #metal #yourockonMay 29 15:56
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] #4 Spinal Tap - Stonehenge http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7wcyLrPqC4 #metal #yourockonMay 29 15:58
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] #5 Joe Satriani - Always with me, always with you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4fPv450OYM #metal #yourockonMay 29 16:01
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] The more I use emacs the more I love it. With autocomplete, ecb and etags, it does all I need and is 100x faster than eclipse!May 29 16:02
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ender2070http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=50#comment-108May 29 16:13
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ender2070i dont really have anything else to say to himMay 29 16:13
ender2070but he brought up bn chat so I am mentioning it hereMay 29 16:13
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Bye Bye Fedora 12; Enter Fedora 13 ;)May 29 16:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Ok, off to play cars with my lad and then finish off my Peppermint article...Doctor Who soon too...result!May 29 16:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Xtranormal.com, one of the greatest inventions in the history of the Worldwide Web. Simply.. AMAZING!!May 29 17:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Hey! Getting the re-tweets on my metal selections! Not as many as last week though...appears Die Apokalyptischen Reiter is popular!May 29 18:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] 1/2 an hour to Dr Who....shame the episode is not too hot.....Ive been very unimpressed with the 2 parters on the new series #doctorwhoMay 29 18:29
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schestowitzender2070: it's so weird that you argue with Tim (goblin)May 29 18:55
schestowitzPointless argumentMay 29 18:55
schestowitzlay it asideMay 29 18:56
schestowitz"Gary Coleman has died as the result of injuries he suffered earlier this week. We've learned Gary's wife, Shannon, made the decision to pull life support early this AM."May 29 18:57
schestowitzhttp://www.boingboing.net/2010/05/28/lindsay-lohan-prohib.htmlMay 29 19:00
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schestowitzhttp://blog.mandriva.com/2010/05/28/mandriva-linux-2010-spring-is-coming-soon/May 29 19:05
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schestowitzWorld's nicest distro, IMHOMay 29 19:06
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Dennis Hopper dead at 74 http://ur1.ca/049lj #RIPMay 29 19:07
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just_someoneschestowitz: Do you need pictures for articles? I found some good ones one Wikimedia.May 29 19:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] great example of HTML5 in action. gravity effect is impressive http://bit.ly/cs1xMl #html5May 29 19:08
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schestowitzTHis one set up the window decors the same way I did: http://blog.volker-lanz.de/2010/05/28/new-in-kde-partition-manager-1-1-i-mount-management/May 29 19:08
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schestowitzjust_someone: sure!May 29 19:08
schestowitzIf it's not CC but GPLMay 29 19:08
just_someoneYou can't use CC?May 29 19:10
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Facebook = Ford Pinto http://ur1.ca/049m3May 29 19:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Laws is an unfortunate name for someone who seems not to respect them, specially when his job is to make them http://tinyurl.com/2wam3c7May 29 19:17
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schestowitzjust_someone: I canMay 29 19:18
schestowitzIt just takes longer cause I need to pull URLs and attribute\May 29 19:19
schestowitzIf it's GPL, then I drag and dropMay 29 19:19
just_someoneschestowitz: Some are CC, some GNU FDL and some Public Domain. Should I post the links here?May 29 19:20
schestowitzYes, pleaseMay 29 19:32
schestowitzhttp://pogson.6k.ca/2010/05/29/1835/May 29 19:32
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schestowitzAlready have a dir called "Ships" for sinking ships I'll use in the future (public domain)May 29 19:33
schestowitzI use http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_PageMay 29 19:34
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just_someonePatent Agressionnhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:4Canine_teeth.jpg (FDL)nhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Killer_Chihuahua.jpg (CC)nhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Military_dog_barking.JPG (PD)May 29 19:35
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just_someoneOr these for Vendor Lock-In, DRMMay 29 19:39
just_someonehttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Prison.jpg (PD)May 29 19:39
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just_someonehttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Denver_boot.jpg (PD)May 29 19:40
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schestowitzender2070: you're feeding the trollMay 29 19:40
schestowitzYour headlines too echo his ownMay 29 19:40
schestowitzYou could write some good posts on Fedora insteafMay 29 19:40
schestowitzHe gets no attention in life, you give him that in your own blogMay 29 19:41
schestowitzjust_someone: ha!May 29 19:41
schestowitzThese pics are greatMay 29 19:41
schestowitzI'll add captionsMay 29 19:41
schestowitzLOLCATSMay 29 19:41
just_someoneBroken Company/Productnhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Auto_katollaan.jpg (CC)nhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:BVSstoomloco2-1_(107794092).jpg (CC)nhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2008-12-15_Lanzarote_Wreck.jpg (CC)nhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wreck-DSC_9497-MR.jpg (PD)nhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2008-08-19_Flat_tire.jpg (FDL)May 29 19:42
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Tallkenhum.. that doesn't sound right?May 29 19:43
schestowitzhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wreck-DSC_9497-MR.jpg is copyrightedMay 29 19:44
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schestowitzI don't want to encourage those licencesMay 29 19:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Good morning all! Went to see Wicked last night. Fantastic show an a fun night. Now up and about, checking in with some work bits.May 29 19:44
schestowitzLet's reward GNU FDL, which I equate with GPLMay 29 19:44
schestowitzApple images copyright ladenMay 29 19:44
schestowitzTit gives them censorship-like protection, like I wrote here yesterdayMay 29 19:44
schestowitzI never found /any/ free-for-use Steve Jobs iamge for exampleMay 29 19:45
schestowitzHis cult is protecting his image using copyrightsMay 29 19:45
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Happy to see Lucas happy with our recent ubuntu.com improvements to mention our partnership with Debian - http://is.gd/cuEfi #ubuntu #debianMay 29 19:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Interview with Penelope about her work in the Ubuntu Accessibility Team - http://is.gd/cuEic #ubuntuMay 29 19:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Pēteris Krišjānis talks about the revolution going on in the Evolution camp - http://is.gd/cuEpB - evo rocks, this is good. :-) #gnomeMay 29 19:49
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just_someoneThere are some Steve Jobs pics under CC on WikimediaMay 29 19:50
just_someoneHere are my last suggestionsMay 29 19:51
just_someoneVendor Lock-In, DRMnhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2009-02-26_Wheel_clamp_on_Hummer.jpg (FDL)nhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Patarei_prison_in_Tallinn_7.jpg (CC)nProprietary software in schoolsnhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fear_of_a_blank_planet.jpg (CC)May 29 19:51
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schestowitzjust_someone: join #boycottnovell-socialMay 29 19:53
schestowitzI think it's just a tad off topic for the main channelMay 29 19:53
schestowitzI'm downloading these, but I wonder if it's of interest to the rest in this channel, that's allMay 29 19:54
just_someoneschestowitz: No problemMay 29 19:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Wow - 50 All-Time Favorite New Uses for Old Things http://bit.ly/bk8kUUMay 29 19:57
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schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20100526/1829549595.shtmlMay 29 19:59
TechrightsTitle: Australian Gyms Swapping Out Pop Songs With Cover Versions To Avoid Ridiculous Royalties | Techdirt .::. Size~: 36.8 KBMay 29 19:59
schestowitzjust_someone: thanks a lotMay 29 20:00
schestowitzI'll use them in the coming weekMay 29 20:00
schestowitzIt would be invaluable to have a tarball of free images that are of relevance to freedom/slaveryMay 29 20:00
schestowitzThat would save a lot of timeMay 29 20:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Time Cube: The Movie. (trailer) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHaGnpO0pE4May 29 20:03
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schestowitzhttp://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/business/news/e3ib1d3a90dc9ba701673728f3da14d5f9aMay 29 20:07
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schestowitzNow they need to arrest Bach and his gang at Microsoft for inside tradingMay 29 20:08
schestowitzhttp://www.theage.com.au/travel/travel-news/tourism-australia-campaign-ripping-off-artists-20100525-w8y2.htmlMay 29 20:10
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schestowitzHa! Just as we were talking about CC imagesMay 29 20:10
schestowitzhttp://280.status.net/notice/113859 "i understand the sentiment. it's very strange that osi is so skeptical of webm (while less of mpeg-la?) i think they're choosing the side that's against the most people, in the name of being "reasonable" - AGAIN. (couldn't say for sure though)"May 29 20:14
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Much of this information is gathered from [US] server logs, so it is a fairly independent and accurate measure." *LOL* http://ur1.ca/049veMay 29 20:19
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schestowitzDana talks junk again..May 29 20:22
schestowitz"Fanboys matter. Reputation matters. "May 29 20:22
schestowitzhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/the-lessons-of-apple-turning-microsoft-into-ibm/6573May 29 20:22
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Ofcom and it’s Code of Practice - http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2010/05/29/ofcom-and-its-anti-piracy-tactics/ #bittorent #tpb #piracyMay 29 20:27
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin its, not it'sMay 29 20:28
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Apparently, Gorilla Glass works pretty damned well http://ur1.ca/049wuMay 29 20:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] In the Severed Fifth studio laying down more drum tracks. #severedfifthMay 29 20:32
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schestowitzhttp://www.linuxjournal.com/tag/dell-e6500May 29 20:49
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schestowitzhttp://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64R1DI20100528May 29 20:52
TechrightsTitle: Nokia top model N900 sales below 100,000: Gartner| Reuters .::. Size~: 51.79 KBMay 29 20:52
schestowitzFalseMay 29 20:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Not if its meant as a contradiction, which is the implied context it is in. "Code of practice" for dodgy idea's.May 29 20:53
cubezzzGartner :)May 29 20:53
cubezzzlike I listen to themMay 29 20:53
cubezzzeven all the comments right under disagreeMay 29 20:55
cubezzzwouldn't be surprised to hear Gartner is funded by MicrosoftMay 29 20:55
cubezzzthey'll find a way to spin thingsMay 29 20:56
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schestowitzWow. So many Linux tablets. http://uk.i4u.com/article33703.htmlMay 29 21:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] There are dozens of tablets out there. One runs Apple's OS, all the rest run Linux. None of interest runs Windows.May 29 21:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Maybe it wasn't too clear..."it's" in the context of "it has" (contraction)..So "Ofcom and it has codes of practice?"May 29 21:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz maybe you are right though...it could be a bad title....too late now to change anyway.May 29 21:08
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schestowitzcubezzz: loads of good Linux news todayMay 29 21:10
schestowitzBut Google becomes a Linux leader with AndroidMay 29 21:10
cubezzz2010 has been a Linux year for sureMay 29 21:11
MinceRit's not over yet :>May 29 21:12
schestowitzYou could call it "Android" or "Ubuntu"May 29 21:12
schestowitzMinceR: yeah, another cult is risingMay 29 21:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin readers would interpret it (wrongly) as ignorance in the headline, so typo-ridden headlines do matter. I read mine many times.May 29 21:12
schestowitzNovell vanishesMay 29 21:12
schestowitzTechrights lives onMay 29 21:12
cubezzzI may even start selling FOSS boxesMay 29 21:12
schestowitzWe changed domain at a good timeMay 29 21:13
schestowitzcubezzz: or support those who use themMay 29 21:13
cubezzztechrights is a much better name, yes :)May 29 21:13
schestowitzWe also grab the word "right" and assoiciate it with freedomMay 29 21:13
cubezzznot a recursive acronym, but hey :)May 29 21:13
schestowitzRMS was upset with the name cause he thinks of "Rights" as a words the moguls use (IP right, DRightM...)May 29 21:14
schestowitz*wordMay 29 21:14
cubezzzI like the nameMay 29 21:14
schestowitzI mean Digital RightsMay 29 21:14
schestowitzYou can spin that on its head May 29 21:14
schestowitzAnd associate RIGHT with the right to access and modify codeMay 29 21:14
cubezzzyeah that wouldn't be as good as techrightsMay 29 21:14
schestowitzThe name wasn't my ideaMay 29 21:15
schestowitzIt was tessier'sMay 29 21:15
schestowitzWe almosy chose ITRIMMay 29 21:15
schestowitzThistleWeb's suggestionMay 29 21:15
schestowitzVista 7 was the idea of someone in this channel who used a MacMay 29 21:15
schestowitzAnd Fog computing, hypeP* is also from IRCMay 29 21:15
ThistleWebwhat am I getting the blame for?May 29 21:15
schestowitz"Boycott Novell" was Shane'sMay 29 21:15
schestowitzI don't think I make up many terms and stick with them, it's better done as groupsMay 29 21:16
schestowitzThistleWeb: suggesting other site namesMay 29 21:16
ThistleWebahhMay 29 21:16
schestowitzWe can look back at the suggestion we hadMay 29 21:16
schestowitzThe debate is publicly accessibleMay 29 21:16
cubezzza blog on coreboot might be an ideaMay 29 21:17
cubezzzI've been mulling it overMay 29 21:17
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MinceRwhat does ITRIM stand for?May 29 21:18
*DaemonFC is downloading UbuntuMay 29 21:18
DaemonFCI want to see where Mesa is at and this appears to be the only way of doing that easilyMay 29 21:19
schestowitzhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20006331-1.htmlMay 29 21:19
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schestowitzDaemonFC: why?May 29 21:19
DaemonFCschestowitz: xorg-edgersMay 29 21:19
schestowitz"I use Ubuntu butt.."May 29 21:19
cubezzzI don't use Ubuntu :)May 29 21:19
schestowitzNo, I was joking about "but" trollsMay 29 21:19
schestowitzMinceR: IT somethingMay 29 21:20
cubezzznon programmers....May 29 21:20
DaemonFCschestowitz: I can do it without leaving the LiveCDMay 29 21:20
MinceRschestowitz: i got it that far :>May 29 21:20
cubezzzthey just don't understandMay 29 21:20
schestowitzask ThistleWebMay 29 21:20
MinceRThistleWeb: ^May 29 21:20
DaemonFCso it's not like I'm married to it if it still doesn't work for meMay 29 21:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Fair point. Ive put the question out to COLA,but I think you are right. I won't change the original, merely retweet.May 29 21:20
cubezzzLinux is probably optimized mainly for server, not a 3d game boxMay 29 21:20
ThistleWebcant remember the itrim idea being mine, maybe it was, it's just not ringing any bells right nowMay 29 21:21
MinceRicMay 29 21:21
schestowitzMinceR: http://www.google.com/search?q=site:techrights.org+%22itrim%22&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=May 29 21:21
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cubezzz$1500 for the new Amiga X1000 motherboardMay 29 21:21
DaemonFCcubezzz: it's fairly easy to build your own kernel that's not "generic"May 29 21:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Ofcom and its Code of Practice - http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2010/05/29/ofcom-and-its-anti-piracy-tactics/ #bittorent #tpb #piracyMay 29 21:21
MinceRicMay 29 21:21
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DaemonFCUbuntu's desktop kernel config is safe instead of "performs best on certain hardware"May 29 21:21
schestowitz"IT Rights Monitor."May 29 21:22
cubezzzI mean, I'm running server...May 29 21:22
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/irc-log-30032010.html#tMar%2030%2002:17:00May 29 21:22
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cubezzzplaying 3d stuff on my server isn't too smart reallyMay 29 21:22
DaemonFCI've tinkered with the kernel configuration enough to know that you can expect abut 4-5% performance improvement by going from a generic kernel to one tweaked to what you need it forMay 29 21:22
schestowitztech rights is similar after allMay 29 21:22
Aondounless it's a game server :D May 29 21:22
cubezzz;-)May 29 21:22
DaemonFCit's worth an hour of background compiling :)May 29 21:22
DaemonFCof course on older systems, it could be painfulMay 29 21:23
DaemonFC4-5 hours or moreMay 29 21:23
cubezzzcompiling KDE 3.4.2 took over a dayMay 29 21:23
cubezzzon this boxMay 29 21:23
DaemonFCdepends on your compiler and on your CPUMay 29 21:23
schestowitzkde 3 is coming backMay 29 21:24
schestowitzTrinityMay 29 21:24
cubezzzoh?May 29 21:24
cubezzzgoodMay 29 21:24
MinceRis it going to get desktop compositing?May 29 21:24
DaemonFCand RAMMay 29 21:25
DaemonFCsome things take lots of RAM to compileMay 29 21:25
DaemonFCor bad things happen :)May 29 21:25
cubezzzyeah, I should really max this board's ram outMay 29 21:25
DaemonFCI have 8 GBMay 29 21:25
cubezzzlol, I have 384 megMay 29 21:25
DaemonFCthere's nothing I've done on Windows or Linux that overruns 8 GBMay 29 21:26
cubezzzbut how many watts are you using eh?May 29 21:26
cubezzzI'm under 100 wattsMay 29 21:26
MinceRi have 4GBMay 29 21:26
DaemonFC300 watt power supplyMay 29 21:26
DaemonFCno wait, I used a 350May 29 21:26
DaemonFC:PMay 29 21:26
MinceR170W power brickMay 29 21:26
cubezzzmy zaurus uses 5 watts :)May 29 21:27
DaemonFCpower consumption has gotten a lot better in the last several yearsMay 29 21:27
cubezzzthey are still power pigsMay 29 21:27
DaemonFCyou can now run a system that doesn't suck on 300 watts or lessMay 29 21:27
cubezzzintel atom isn't bad thoughMay 29 21:27
cubezzzfor power usageMay 29 21:27
DaemonFCI remember when you needed 300 watts just to run a 3 Ghz Celeron, a GB of DDR, and onboard videoMay 29 21:28
DaemonFCyuckMay 29 21:28
cubezzzyeah you see I bypass all that May 29 21:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I believe that GNU/Linux should support Mozilla/Firefox and Konqueror which were there in the early days, saving Linux users on 'MSIE Web'May 29 21:28
cubezzzwent from p3 -> arm -> ????May 29 21:28
MinceRhm, apparently my Nokia N97 can get by on less than 14mW when it's not doing anything, but is on the UMTS network :)May 29 21:29
DaemonFC386 SX 33, 486 DX4-100, upgraded that to a Pentium 133 with an overdrive set :)May 29 21:29
cubezzzmemory is probably the biggest bottleneck for meMay 29 21:30
DaemonFCthen I went to the AMD K6/2 550May 29 21:30
DaemonFCI ended up getting the Pentium Overdrive set because of Windows 95May 29 21:31
DaemonFCwhich was not your friend on a 486 :)May 29 21:31
DaemonFCeven a fast 486May 29 21:31
DaemonFCI remember my aunt trying to slap Windows 95 on her existing 486 system so she could go back to doing all the thigns she could on Windows 3.11, except 10 times slowerMay 29 21:32
DaemonFCschestowitz: Did you get one of those free newspapers that Microsoft apparently bought for everyone in the UK?May 29 21:33
DaemonFCfor the Windows 95 launch that isMay 29 21:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Peppermint, with Google Docs integrated! An excellent cloud/lightweight distro. Review shortly! #linux #foss http://twitpic.com/1s8ic0May 29 21:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] OpenOffice.org 3.2.1 Release Candidate 2 (build OOO320m18) available: http://tinyurl.com/36xjs7p #msoffice #microsoft #foss #free #linuxMay 29 21:47
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schestowitzDaemonFC: I never heard of thatMay 29 21:53
DaemonFChmmm, Wikipedia said they did at one pointMay 29 21:53
schestowitzBill Gates is in this business nowMay 29 21:55
schestowitzHe's a monopoliserMay 29 21:55
schestowitzSome people are womanisersMay 29 21:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin Google Docs is proprietary. Recommend to everyone Free/libre softwareMay 29 21:55
schestowitzThis guy is a vicious monopoliserMay 29 21:55
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schestowitzNot cause he's buying media but cause he glorifies himself in it with PR peopleMay 29 21:55
schestowitzHe allegedly said he'd spent 50% of his money on PRMay 29 21:56
schestowitzI saw the quote, could verify its legitimacyMay 29 21:57
schestowitzMicrosoft PR: http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/61779May 29 21:57
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schestowitzDunce from CitrixMay 29 21:57
schestowitzI hardly _ever_ use question marks in headlinesMay 29 21:58
schestowitzThey are often sign of provocation or pretend uncertaintyMay 29 21:58
schestowitzWhen you say something you don't mean but say it anywayMay 29 21:58
schestowitzMy headlines are very long because many people just read headlines and want the full story to be recoverable from itMay 29 21:58
schestowitzI'd better post some news now, before I nap again by accidentMay 29 22:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Agreed but used "as well as" not "instead of" I think it is a great option.May 29 22:01
schestowitzhttp://www.rumorsplace.com/the-nokia-n8-seeks-to-challenge-the-iphone-236May 29 22:02
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schestowitzNokia is in deep, deep mufMay 29 22:02
schestowitz*mudMay 29 22:02
MinceRnokia's been making better phones than the hypePhone for yearsMay 29 22:02
schestowitzANd Finland's IR industry is therefore at risk (my friend tells me so)May 29 22:02
schestowitzMinceR: but not enough cult/priesthoodMay 29 22:02
MinceRso i don't see what all this bullshit about 'challenging the hypePhone' isMay 29 22:02
schestowitzLike Guy KawasakiMay 29 22:02
schestowitzApple hires cheerleaders like MicrosoftMay 29 22:02
schestowitzThe ITClergy if you will...May 29 22:03
MinceRif someone wants to pay a lot for a useless piece of crap and free admittance to a cult, they'll get a hypePhoneMay 29 22:03
schestowitzMinceR: yeahMay 29 22:03
MinceRif they want a good smartphone or pda/phone, one of the brands they can choose will be nokiaMay 29 22:03
schestowitz"'iPad' rival..."May 29 22:03
schestowitzLike, what the B0RN is the iPad??May 29 22:03
schestowitzTell me when the POS multitasksMay 29 22:03
schestowitzThen it can enter the era of Windows 3May 29 22:03
MinceRit's a crippled tablet pc imitationMay 29 22:04
schestowitzToday I overheard at the gym a praise about hypePhoneMay 29 22:04
MinceRwith some of the idiot press believing that crApple invented tablet pcs with itMay 29 22:04
schestowitzI can't recall the words, sonething like "it's the perfect phone"May 29 22:04
MinceRlolMay 29 22:04
schestowitzPeople don't compare it to the right phonesMay 29 22:04
schestowitzAnother friend of mine has a crappy old Samsung phonesMay 29 22:05
schestowitzHe lost 2 in the looMay 29 22:05
schestowitz*phone [LiMo maybe, or some generic]May 29 22:05
MinceRmy old samsung sgh-c100 gave me more control than the hypePhone gives its userMay 29 22:05
schestowitzIt's funny when he loses some and uses his girlfriend's pink one temporarilyMay 29 22:05
schestowitzThen I ask him about coloursMay 29 22:05
schestowitzAnd how genders 'hiajcked' coloursMay 29 22:06
schestowitzBut..May 29 22:06
schestowitzGirls can use ANY colourMay 29 22:06
schestowitzGuys cam'tMay 29 22:06
schestowitz*Can'tMay 29 22:06
schestowitzSo we're in a worse positionMay 29 22:06
MinceRi wouldn't want to use pink, yellow or brown anywayMay 29 22:06
schestowitzAnd there is no such thing as "girl" colour... it's to do just with upbringingMay 29 22:06
schestowitzMinceR: brown liike burl wood?May 29 22:06
schestowitzOr the many shades of feces or soil?May 29 22:07
schestowitzYou could make brown fashionableMay 29 22:07
MinceRthe latterMay 29 22:07
MinceRi could, but i don't careMay 29 22:07
schestowitzYou could make brown suits fashionable tooMay 29 22:07
schestowitzOr blueMay 29 22:07
MinceRi don't like suitsMay 29 22:07
schestowitzBut tuxedos come in blackMay 29 22:07
schestowitzSo there is expectancyMay 29 22:07
schestowitzIt takes coordinated effort to break fashion normMay 29 22:07
schestowitzMinceR: but "suits are great"May 29 22:08
MinceRsuits suckMay 29 22:08
schestowitzThey prove you are rich..... enough to buy some garment :-)May 29 22:08
MinceRthey're ugly, uncomfortable and impracticalMay 29 22:08
schestowitzWhat if we gave the homeless suits?May 29 22:08
schestowitzTo devalue the image of suitsMay 29 22:08
schestowitzThat would put off businessman, who would start wearing hippie Hawaiian shirts insteadMay 29 22:09
schestowitz*menMay 29 22:09
schestowitz[22:08] <MinceR> they're ugly, uncomfortable and impracticalMay 29 22:09
schestowitzYou can't be serious!May 29 22:09
schestowitzTies?May 29 22:09
schestowitzThe most practical thingMay 29 22:09
MinceRties are even worseMay 29 22:09
schestowitzLike... if you spill mustardMay 29 22:09
schestowitzYou might need something to wipe it withMay 29 22:09
MinceRthey constrict the neck and provide no utilityMay 29 22:09
schestowitzAnd wait..May 29 22:10
MinceRi don't want to carry my napkin around my neckMay 29 22:10
schestowitzI'll show you how our PR uses his tieMay 29 22:10
schestowitzThe son of a gunMay 29 22:10
MinceRnon-crap clothing has pockets for that sort of thingMay 29 22:10
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VaP1HB7VewMay 29 22:10
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schestowitzsnot brown :-)May 29 22:10
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schestowitzAnyhoo, suits are a tradition of centuries... won't change any time soonMay 29 22:13
MinceR"Although Symbian is the system used by most mobile phones in the world, industry experts feel that his image was not the best in the most demanding users profile."May 29 22:14
MinceRwowMay 29 22:14
schestowitzI hated wearing suits. Looks nice, not comfortable.May 29 22:14
MinceRhypePhone fanboy has some nerve talking about demanding usersMay 29 22:14
schestowitz"There's a sect for that, too"May 29 22:14
MinceRi don't even like the look of suitsMay 29 22:14
schestowitzIt's blackMay 29 22:14
schestowitzIt covers the whole bodyMay 29 22:14
schestowitzIt's uniformMay 29 22:15
schestowitzIt has hanging bitsMay 29 22:15
schestowitzBut it's a uniformMay 29 22:15
schestowitzIt's "the uniform of the rich"May 29 22:15
schestowitzSo to project some image you need to wear themMay 29 22:15
schestowitzI have about 6 suitsMay 29 22:15
MinceRthe uniform of those who take themselves too seriouslyMay 29 22:15
MinceRand are willing to dress up in that clown suit to impress othersMay 29 22:15
schestowitzImagine Nokia's CEO showing up in a jumperMay 29 22:16
MinceRi prefer polo shirts and jeansMay 29 22:16
schestowitzJobs fanMay 29 22:16
schestowitzANd sneakersMay 29 22:16
schestowitz"Look at me!! I'm so hip."May 29 22:16
MinceRi prefer more advanced athletic shoesMay 29 22:16
schestowitzReal men wear shortsMay 29 22:17
schestowitzLinux users wear sandals /sarcasmMay 29 22:17
schestowitzIt comes with the live CDMay 29 22:17
MinceRi don't like sandalsMay 29 22:17
schestowitzOdour?May 29 22:18
MinceRstuff like pebbles getting in and causing troubleMay 29 22:19
MinceRand collecting dust in generalMay 29 22:19
schestowitzHere's a man getting sweaty in a suit: http://beta.thehindu.com/business/companies/article439678.eceMay 29 22:20
TechrightsTitle: The Hindu : Business / Companies : Acer's Android tablet to hit markets by year-end .::. Size~: 24.86 KBMay 29 22:20
schestowitzOr maybe he sweats cause he can't find the "on" buttonMay 29 22:20
schestowitzBut there's not much visible dust in cities (like dirt)May 29 22:21
schestowitzDust is everywhereMay 29 22:21
schestowitzSome just believe it doesn't exist when they can't see it with the naked eyeMay 29 22:21
MinceRthere's plenty of visible dust in cities on the groundMay 29 22:22
schestowitzHaha http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/article/16366/randd/forced-partnering-could-kill-innovationMay 29 22:22
schestowitz"The suggestion from Batt O’Keeffe TD that industry partnerships should be made mandatory for all stages of third-level research has been met with some opposition, with one software industry professional warning that it could kill open source by leading to 100pc proprietary software development here in Ireland."May 29 22:22
TechrightsTitle: SiliconRepublic.com:  Forced industry partnering could kill innovation - R&D .::. Size~: 37.41 KBMay 29 22:22
schestowitzTotally the opposite!!May 29 22:22
schestowitzMinceR: 'air' particles are full of dust especially in windy days with nearby construction projectsMay 29 22:23
schestowitzI used to spend too much time 'relocating' dustMay 29 22:23
MinceRtouch the sidewalk the next time you canMay 29 22:23
MinceRand you'll find out what i'm talking aboutMay 29 22:23
schestowitzSome people make a living coming to other people's houses and relocating dustMay 29 22:24
schestowitz[22:23] <MinceR> touch the sidewalk the next time you canMay 29 22:25
schestowitzNo, thanks.May 29 22:25
MinceRyou're starting to get it :>May 29 22:25
schestowitzSounds like a task for Nagy György http://nagyorgy.uw.hu/May 29 22:26
MinceRof course, sand or the like is worseMay 29 22:26
MinceRsandals will scoop up as much as they canMay 29 22:26
schestowitzSand is less fineMay 29 22:26
schestowitzLess air bourne tooMay 29 22:26
MinceRa shoe will only get a bit dirty on the outsideMay 29 22:26
schestowitzNo sweatMay 29 22:26
schestowitzNo heatMay 29 22:27
schestowitzNo static electricityMay 29 22:28
schestowitzhttp://www.networkworld.com/community/node/61836May 29 22:29
TechrightsTitle: Do We Need to Change our OSS Licenses For The Cloud and SaaS? | NetworkWorld.com Community .::. Size~: 82.56 KBMay 29 22:29
schestowitzThey don't know AGPL?May 29 22:29
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] BP commits genocide http://ur1.ca/04ad2May 29 22:32
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/33887555#notice-34053997May 29 22:35
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schestowitz"i'm looking for a descent linux-based tablet. do you have any to suggest?"May 29 22:35
schestowitzAre there any arm-based ones yet?May 29 22:35
schestowitzMaybe cubezzz knowsMay 29 22:35
Diablo-D3schestowitz: yesMay 29 22:35
Diablo-D3theres a few android arm tabletsMay 29 22:35
schestowitzyeah, but which/where?May 29 22:35
schestowitzAnyway, I replied to him: There's joojoo, some ones from acer/asus/dell/hp (coming soon)May 29 22:38
DaemonFCMinceR: I generally see phones as evilMay 29 22:38
DaemonFCWhy do people carry phones around with them so that all the people they don't want to talk to can reach them anywhere at any timeMay 29 22:39
DaemonFC*?May 29 22:39
MinceRso that all the people they do want to talk to can reach them anywhere at any timeMay 29 22:39
MinceRand so when they make an appointment, they can find each other -- even if one of them is lateMay 29 22:40
MinceRand so that they can reach the people they want to talk toMay 29 22:40
MinceRmy phone is a lot more than just a phone, thoughMay 29 22:40
cubezzzI like zaurus actuallyMay 29 22:41
cubezzzsomestime tigerdirect has tabletsMay 29 22:41
cubezzzyou could do a search on linux and see what pops upMay 29 22:42
DaemonFCTiger Direct is kind of dodgyMay 29 22:43
DaemonFCsometimes you get a good deal and most of the time the thing you get just falls apartMay 29 22:43
DaemonFCif it says Refurbished, run like hellMay 29 22:43
DaemonFC:DMay 29 22:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Best Eurovison song of all time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98VbZQsgme4 #eurovison #yourockon #metalMay 29 22:45
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cubezzzyou could get the zaurus C1000 pretty cheapMay 29 22:51
cubezzz$100 to $150May 29 22:51
cubezzzand the keyboard isn't too badMay 29 22:52
cubezzzebay has a few Smart Q'sMay 29 22:56
MinceRwhat's a Smart Q?May 29 22:57
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cubezzzhttp://cgi.ebay.com/SmartQ-V7-7-Tablet-Android-Linux-CE-HDMI-MID-LOT-20-/300431973031?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item45f3241aa7May 29 23:01
TechrightsTitle: SmartQ V7 7" Tablet Android Linux CE HDMI MID LOT of 20 - eBay (item 300431973031 end time  Jun-26-10 20:24:52 PDT) .::. Size~: 112.21 KBMay 29 23:01
cubezzzabout $240 singlelyMay 29 23:02
cubezzzI'd rather have something with a keyboard myselfMay 29 23:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Have I ever said how much I like Georgia? #eurovisionMay 29 23:11
MinceRso would iMay 29 23:11
MinceRand something with real gnu/linux, not android (but maybe that can be fixed)May 29 23:12
cubezzzit's got Ubuntu...May 29 23:13
cubezzzit looks like it triple boots actuallyMay 29 23:13
MinceRicMay 29 23:13
cubezzzI wonder if any of these tablet things use KDEMay 29 23:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] _THIS_ _WON_ Eurovision? What on earth? That's it I'm moving to Antarctica! #eurovisionMay 29 23:22
cubezzzor just forget dodgey tablets and get a toughbook :)May 29 23:23
MinceRthanks, my thinkpad w700 is heavy enough :>May 29 23:23
MinceRno need to replace it with something even heavierMay 29 23:24
DaemonFCI canceled my NetflixMay 29 23:26
DaemonFCThink I'll go back to renting from the $1 DVD vending machinesMay 29 23:26
DaemonFC:PMay 29 23:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Should have done this a while ago to return the kind follows!......May 29 23:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why "scientists" who deny global warming misunderstand the issue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZzwRwFDXw0&feature=digestMay 29 23:27
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] #Follow @schestowitz @sazzlerock @LadyOfMercury @popey @holorami .... I'll do more later...those are the ones off the top of my head!May 29 23:28
MinceRapparently not all toughbooks are heavy (but not all are so rugged either)May 29 23:28
DaemonFCMinceR: I want one that can survive an assault via jackhammer, being run over by a forklift, and a nuclear explosion evenMay 29 23:30
DaemonFCdoes Panasonic make those? :DMay 29 23:30
MinceRDaemonFC: http://www.toughbook.eu/May 29 23:30
TechrightsTitle: Language Selection Page | Panasonic Toughbook .::. Size~: 10.92 KBMay 29 23:30
MinceRactually they probably have a usian site tooMay 29 23:31
DaemonFCthat would be .com for meMay 29 23:31
DaemonFCyeah, they shouldMay 29 23:31
MinceRthey have convertible tablets, that's interestingMay 29 23:31
DaemonFCthey probably sell most of their stuff hereMay 29 23:31
DaemonFCJapanese company makes shit in China and sells it in the United StatesMay 29 23:31
DaemonFCfairly typicalMay 29 23:31
DaemonFCI don't really care how tough the case isMay 29 23:32
DaemonFCif it has an Intel CPU in it, it'll probably fail within the first year I own itMay 29 23:32
MinceRcalling a 10.4" convertible tablet "Lightweight at just 2.3kg" is kind of a stretch, though :>May 29 23:33
DaemonFC5 poundsMay 29 23:33
DaemonFCthat's not terribleMay 29 23:33
MinceRfor a netbook-sized device? :>May 29 23:34
DaemonFCmaybe they just meant light for how durable it is?May 29 23:34
MinceRprobablyMay 29 23:34
DaemonFCwait a secondMay 29 23:34
DaemonFCthey measure screen size in inches, throughout Europe?May 29 23:35
DaemonFCthat's oddMay 29 23:35
MinceRyes they doMay 29 23:35
MinceRfor computers, that isMay 29 23:35
MinceRit's still common to use cm-s for tv-sMay 29 23:35
DaemonFChmmm, it would seem that you have the opposite problem that we do thenMay 29 23:36
DaemonFChere it's, most stuff in US customary units (tweaked Imperial measurements) with the damndest thing here or there using metricMay 29 23:36
DaemonFC:)May 29 23:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Song #6 tracked on drums. :-)May 29 23:36
DaemonFCthen you find yourself saying "How far is that?"May 29 23:37
DaemonFC"How big is that?"May 29 23:37
DaemonFC"It weighs how much?"May 29 23:37
DaemonFCI just keep a "close enough" table in my head nowMay 29 23:38
DaemonFC:)May 29 23:38
DaemonFCschestowitz: What the hell is going on with Mandriva?May 29 23:40
DaemonFCSeems to be day to day operations continue with no word as to what's going to happen to the company or when.May 29 23:40
DaemonFCbbl I supposeMay 29 23:41
DaemonFC:PMay 29 23:41
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Next track: my Egyptian sounding one. Drums here we go. Incidentally, part of the reason for no video: it is hot and I am barely clothed.May 29 23:43
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