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| cubezzz | uh, my intel 8085 still works :) | May 30 00:05 |
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| cubezzz | it's from 1983 | May 30 00:05 |
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| cubezzz | this is ironic: | May 30 00:28 |
| cubezzz | "I worked as a Burroughs systems programmer in the 80s and had a B6700 and B6800. At least then, and I imagine still, all of the source code for all the systems programs was available and in fact that was how you did MCP and other component patches and upgrades, i.e. recompilation." | May 30 00:28 |
| tessier | I was just reading about the Burroughs system yesterday | May 30 00:29 |
| schestowitz | [23:40] <DaemonFC> schestowitz: What the hell is going on with Mandriva? | May 30 00:29 |
| tessier | It was unique hardware. | May 30 00:29 |
| schestowitz | for sale | May 30 00:29 |
| tessier | That code could not possibly run on anything else. | May 30 00:29 |
| cubezzz | tessier: the kicker: | May 30 00:29 |
| tessier | And the hardware itself was very rare and expensive. | May 30 00:29 |
| cubezzz | "There was/is no reason to protect the sources because they only run on the B machines" | May 30 00:29 |
| tessier | There was zero chance of it being "pirated" | May 30 00:29 |
| tessier | Right | May 30 00:29 |
| cubezzz | what was that? A special cpu? | May 30 00:29 |
| tessier | Their own design. | May 30 00:30 |
| tessier | Which wasn't uncommon back then. | May 30 00:30 |
| cubezzz | ah | May 30 00:30 |
| tessier | I was reading the declassified NSA report on early computers at the NSA. | May 30 00:30 |
| tessier | Then I started reading about the IBM 701 etc. | May 30 00:30 |
| tessier | Somehow that led me to reading about the Burroughs system (another kind of mainframe). | May 30 00:30 |
| cubezzz | the name attracted my attention :) | May 30 00:31 |
| cubezzz | the "MCP" | May 30 00:31 |
| tessier | Yes. How Tron. | May 30 00:31 |
| tessier | I'm sure that is where Tron got it from. | May 30 00:31 |
| tessier | End of line | May 30 00:31 |
| cubezzz | very possible | May 30 00:31 |
| cubezzz | did they actually use "End of Line" for something at Burroughs systems? | May 30 00:32 |
| cubezzz | it's not in ASCII | May 30 00:32 |
| cubezzz | unless you use ; from C language | May 30 00:33 |
| cubezzz | or CR I guess | May 30 00:34 |
| tessier | I have no idea where the "end of line" thing came from | May 30 00:34 |
| cubezzz | generic computer term I think | May 30 00:34 |
| cubezzz | carriage return is even older, from typewriter tech | May 30 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Has Microsoft caught up with proper newline yet? | May 30 00:38 |
| cubezzz | baudot code even :) | May 30 00:38 |
| schestowitz | I once spent many hours trying to get latex to compile | May 30 00:38 |
| cubezzz | even older than typewriter | May 30 00:38 |
| schestowitz | Turned out the idiots who ran the conference made the style file with windows EOLs | May 30 00:38 |
| schestowitz | I had to use DOS2UNIX | May 30 00:38 |
| cubezzz | latex compiled on doze you mean? | May 30 00:39 |
| cubezzz | what was the conference about? :) | May 30 00:40 |
| tessier | I really like the old style computers like the IBM 701 or earlier. | May 30 00:44 |
| tessier | You can actually understand everything they do from bottom to top if you want. | May 30 00:44 |
| tessier | I keep saying I am going to build my own computer someday. A relay computer. | May 30 00:44 |
| tessier | Like Harry Porter. | May 30 00:44 |
| cubezzz | how old is IBM 701? I only remember back to 4381 | May 30 00:44 |
| tessier | Google Harry Porter's Relay Computer or look at the video on youtube. Awesome. | May 30 00:45 |
| tessier | 701 was around 1954 | May 30 00:45 |
| cubezzz | ah, thats really old | May 30 00:45 |
| cubezzz | what is that then, mercury line delay for memory? | May 30 00:45 |
| cubezzz | tessier, you could get a KIM-1 | May 30 00:46 |
| cubezzz | that's pretty understandable too | May 30 00:46 |
| schestowitz |  | May 30 00:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:39] <cubezzz> latex compiled on doze you mean? | May 30 00:47 |
| schestowitz | he file was formatted with wrong symbols for new lines, which produced strange error message | May 30 00:47 |
| cubezzz | IBM 701 is too big | May 30 00:49 |
| cubezzz |  | May 30 00:49 |
| cubezzz | how in the world are you making that symbol schestowitz? | May 30 00:50 |
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| ender2070 | http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=62 | May 30 00:51 |
| Techrights | Title: Pwnage.ca » Migration Plan: Fedora 13 .::. Size~: 14.24 KB | May 30 00:51 |
| ender2070 | Migration! | May 30 00:51 |
| ender2070 | lol | May 30 00:51 |
| cubezzz | electrostatic storage tube memory, wow | May 30 00:52 |
| ender2070 | ? | May 30 00:53 |
| ender2070 | oh cubezzz, did you say you worked on an AS/400 ? | May 30 00:53 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: which symbol? | May 30 00:53 |
| cubezzz |  | May 30 00:53 |
| cubezzz | that symbol | May 30 00:53 |
| schestowitz | Maybe your irc clients shows it differently | May 30 00:53 |
| schestowitz | I just see space | May 30 00:53 |
| cubezzz | that's the weirdest thing I ever saw | May 30 00:53 |
| cubezzz | it's obj with a box around it | May 30 00:53 |
| schestowitz | I see in xchat now | May 30 00:54 |
| schestowitz | looks off | May 30 00:54 |
| ender2070 | I dont see it | May 30 00:54 |
| schestowitz | konversation fetches it with something | May 30 00:54 |
| cubezzz | ender2070, no, ummm just 4381 with CMS | May 30 00:54 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: get the visa ready for fedora migration | May 30 00:54 |
| cubezzz | ender2070, which irc client are you using? | May 30 00:54 |
| schestowitz |                 | May 30 00:55 |
| cubezzz | Conversional Monitor System, I still have my notes | May 30 00:55 |
| ender2070 | visa? | May 30 00:55 |
| schestowitz | _ ' _ ' _ ' _ ' _ ' _ ' _ ' _ ' _ ' _ ' _ ' | May 30 00:55 |
| ender2070 | lol im not migrating to RHEL | May 30 00:55 |
| cubezzz | :-/ | May 30 00:55 |
| cubezzz | VIsta-1 I did later with emulators | May 30 00:56 |
| cubezzz | but not on IBM 4381 :) | May 30 00:56 |
| cubezzz | er, VISA :) | May 30 00:56 |
| cubezzz | not vista :) | May 30 00:56 |
| schestowitz | ▀█▀ █▬█ █ ▄█▀_____█ ▄█▀_____▄█▀ * █ ▀█▀ | May 30 00:56 |
| cubezzz | me no do vista | May 30 00:56 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, now it looks like CBM | May 30 00:56 |
| schestowitz | █▄ ██ █▄ | May 30 00:57 |
| ender2070 | i just have to backup my apache configs and sql databases | May 30 00:57 |
| cubezzz | I wonder what this is all going to look like in the logs :) | May 30 00:57 |
| ender2070 | weird | May 30 00:58 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: I wondered that too | May 30 00:58 |
| ender2070 | why do ppl still think xchat is good | May 30 00:58 |
| schestowitz | Let's check | May 30 00:58 |
| ender2070 | it hasnt been updated since 2006 | May 30 00:58 |
| cubezzz | xchat roolz joo | May 30 00:58 |
| MinceR | because mirc makes xchat looks good | May 30 00:58 |
| MinceR | if nothing else | May 30 00:58 |
| ender2070 | xchat is shareware | May 30 00:58 |
| ender2070 | lol | May 30 00:58 |
| MinceR | only on winblows, iirc | May 30 00:59 |
| cubezzz | dude, I'm a lot older than 2006 on this box | May 30 00:59 |
| schestowitz | WOsks OK | May 30 00:59 |
| MinceR | even for winblows you can get a free binary | May 30 00:59 |
| ender2070 | no no | May 30 00:59 |
| ender2070 | you dont understand | May 30 00:59 |
| ender2070 | 2.8.7f is shareware, the latest version | May 30 00:59 |
| ender2070 | 2.8.6 is the open source version | May 30 00:59 |
| cubezzz | so what are you using then? | May 30 00:59 |
| ender2070 | you cant have the latest for open source | May 30 00:59 |
| ender2070 | konversation | May 30 01:00 |
| cubezzz | well you know I'm still on fc1 right? :) | May 30 01:00 |
| ender2070 | thats when xchat 2.8 was released i think | May 30 01:00 |
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| cubezzz | I might have konversation actually | May 30 01:00 |
| ender2070 | the old qt3 konversation was kind of crap | May 30 01:00 |
| cubezzz | ah, i don't even have it | May 30 01:00 |
| MinceR | there's no 2.8.7 for gnu/linux though | May 30 01:01 |
| ender2070 | yeah | May 30 01:01 |
| ender2070 | its a php nuke type of thing | May 30 01:01 |
| cubezzz | I'm on 2.0.7 still :) | May 30 01:01 |
| ender2070 | the latest best version you have to pay for, and the old release is free | May 30 01:01 |
| cubezzz | neiner niener | May 30 01:01 |
| MinceR | you can still use this for winblows: http://www.silverex.org/download/ | May 30 01:01 |
| Techrights | Title: X-Chat 2 for Windows .::. Size~: 3.06 KB | May 30 01:01 |
| ender2070 | your missing my point | May 30 01:01 |
| ender2070 | im not giving free advertising to an author who gives windows priority and wants to charge for it | May 30 01:02 |
| MinceR | ic | May 30 01:02 |
| cubezzz | ok, so what does the new client do that old xchat can't? | May 30 01:02 |
| MinceR | i didn't notice the nonfree windows version was newer | May 30 01:02 |
| ThistleWeb | theres also pchat on portableapps | May 30 01:02 |
| MinceR | when did they start this? | May 30 01:02 |
| ThistleWeb | which is xchat | May 30 01:02 |
| ender2070 | i'll give free advertising to open source irc clients | May 30 01:02 |
| ender2070 | not fauxpen source | May 30 01:03 |
| MinceR | well, now that i know this, i won't do so either | May 30 01:03 |
| cubezzz | if I wanted to be cool I'd use irssi :) | May 30 01:03 |
| ender2070 | irssi is nice | May 30 01:03 |
| cubezzz | right, so updating irc client isn't too important :) | May 30 01:03 |
| MinceR | apparently what the author of xchat is doing isn't even legal | May 30 01:04 |
| ender2070 | irssi gets updates | May 30 01:04 |
| ender2070 | mincer - the author of xchat claims he owns all the code | May 30 01:04 |
| ender2070 | if he does, he can do it | May 30 01:04 |
| MinceR | wikipedia claims he doesn't | May 30 01:04 |
| ender2070 | i just wont support him | May 30 01:04 |
| MinceR | anyway, he can go fuck himself | May 30 01:05 |
| ender2070 | yeah | May 30 01:05 |
| cubezzz | fork you? :) | May 30 01:05 |
| ender2070 | i dont support such actions | May 30 01:05 |
| ender2070 | xchat should be forked | May 30 01:05 |
| ender2070 | i heard of something called 'ychat' | May 30 01:05 |
| MinceR | from the changelog, i can tell that the 2.8.7 changes indeed aren't only relevant to windows or to the binary | May 30 01:05 |
| MinceR | i've heard of conspire | May 30 01:05 |
| ender2070 | yeah | May 30 01:05 |
| ender2070 | look at his 2.8.6 linux notes | May 30 01:06 |
| ender2070 | he only released it cause people were bitching for it | May 30 01:06 |
| MinceR | and he's being an asshole about it | May 30 01:06 |
| ender2070 | yeah | May 30 01:06 |
| cubezzz | I run irssi on the zaurus but.... | May 30 01:06 |
| ender2070 | i asked him via email for 2.8.7f source code | May 30 01:06 |
| cubezzz | really the keyboard is brutal | May 30 01:06 |
| ender2070 | never got it | May 30 01:06 |
| ender2070 | theres a ds irc client | May 30 01:09 |
| cubezzz | you could port irssi to anything almost | May 30 01:09 |
| MinceR | i just run PuTTY on my N97 | May 30 01:09 |
| ender2070 | yeah its ncurses based | May 30 01:10 |
| ender2070 | anything ncurses works on | May 30 01:10 |
| ender2070 | which is like - everything | May 30 01:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Egyptian song tracked on drums. Sounding rocking! #severedfifth | May 30 01:10 | |
| MinceR | it also depends on glib | May 30 01:10 |
| cubezzz | I ported it to old zaurus no problem | May 30 01:11 |
| cubezzz | according to wikipedia it's GNU license for non-windows | May 30 01:11 |
| cubezzz | re: xchat | May 30 01:11 |
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| MinceR | cubezzz: he only releases an older version for non-windows | May 30 01:16 |
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| cubeman | ok this is ummm ksirc :) | May 30 01:18 |
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| cubeman | from KDE 3.4.2 | May 30 01:18 |
| MinceR | lol ksirc | May 30 01:18 |
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| cubeman | it does the job | May 30 01:19 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Mandriva 2010.1 is good so far | May 30 01:19 |
| DaemonFC | the setup program managed to not screw anything up | May 30 01:19 |
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| DaemonFC | and it got the correct spellcheck dictionary for me | May 30 01:20 |
| DaemonFC | and it asked me before it was done if it could install FGLRX, and it got my display resolution right | May 30 01:20 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't really have to do much of anything at all | May 30 01:20 |
| cubezzz | is ksirc dead? | May 30 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | I like this, it's faster and they fixed all the bugs that have been there for years | May 30 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: They have Chromium installed by default for some ungodly reason | May 30 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 30 01:23 |
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| DaemonFC | this makes a total of three web browsers if you pick GNOME | May 30 01:23 |
| cubezzz | it's written in BASIC??? | May 30 01:27 |
| cubezzz | I think I've downloaded the wrong thing | May 30 01:28 |
| cubezzz | is this visual basic...? | May 30 01:29 |
| DaemonFC | FGLRX has gotten a lot faster | May 30 01:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] One day amazon, google, facebook, secondlife will be merged(mashuped) into single entity called 3D Matrix on Interconnected human. #future | May 30 01:30 | |
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| MinceR | gn | May 30 02:12 |
| MinceR | one more reason for mobile phones: internet access almost everywhere :> | May 30 02:12 |
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| DaemonFC | ender2070: You like to version people | May 30 02:23 |
| ender2070 | lol | May 30 02:24 |
| ender2070 | fake | May 30 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | nope | May 30 02:24 |
| ender2070 | whats your os and slow cpu | May 30 02:24 |
| ender2070 | :P | May 30 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | Linux localhost 2.6.33.4-desktop-3mnb #1 SMP Tue May 25 15:42:47 UTC 2010 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux | May 30 02:25 |
| DaemonFC | heh | May 30 02:25 |
| ender2070 | [21:22] [CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from cubezzz: xchat 2.0.7 Linux 2.4.22-1.2199.nptlsmp [i686/551.76MHz/SMP]. | May 30 02:25 |
| ender2070 | should look like that | May 30 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | my CPU is AMD Phenom II X4 945 | May 30 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | 3 Ghz | May 30 02:26 |
| ender2070 | [21:20] [CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from DaemonFC: xchat 2.8.6 . | May 30 02:26 |
| ender2070 | what distro | May 30 02:28 |
| DaemonFC | http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/174/screenshotgoh.png | May 30 02:28 |
| Techrights | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/png type .::. Size~: 0 KB | May 30 02:28 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 30 02:28 |
| ender2070 | oh man | May 30 02:29 |
| ender2070 | mandriva with gnome | May 30 02:29 |
| ender2070 | no wonder you hid it | May 30 02:29 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't hide it | May 30 02:30 |
| DaemonFC | what's wrong with Mandriva or GNOME? :P | May 30 02:30 |
| ender2070 | they both suck | May 30 02:30 |
| ender2070 | lol | May 30 02:30 |
| DaemonFC | how so? | May 30 02:30 |
| ender2070 | mandriva sells the extra codecs | May 30 02:31 |
| ender2070 | gnome loves mono | May 30 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu sells codecs | May 30 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't mean you have to buy them | May 30 02:32 |
| ender2070 | it also sucks | May 30 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | it's not hard to get the free codecs | May 30 02:32 |
| MinceR | 032737 < ender2070> they both suck | May 30 02:32 |
| MinceR | qft | May 30 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, the free ones support more formats | May 30 02:32 |
| ender2070 | yeah | May 30 02:32 |
| ender2070 | i know | May 30 02:32 |
| ender2070 | they still sell them, oss ones too | May 30 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | no they don't | May 30 02:33 |
| ender2070 | mandriva powerpack | May 30 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | the FOSS ones are part of the Free edition | May 30 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | there's no edition that doesn't have them | May 30 02:33 |
| ender2070 | the mp3 library is oss | May 30 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | well, it's patented too | May 30 02:33 |
| ender2070 | its just patented | May 30 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | you have to redictribute the binary only version of the Fluendo codec | May 30 02:34 |
| ender2070 | i dont care about patents | May 30 02:34 |
| DaemonFC | if you take the source code and compile it yourself, you can't distribute it | May 30 02:34 |
| ender2070 | so | May 30 02:34 |
| DaemonFC | so it clearly doesn't belong in a FOSS distribution | May 30 02:34 |
| ender2070 | i dont even use fluendo | May 30 02:35 |
| DaemonFC | besides, the free mp3 codecs are just as good | May 30 02:35 |
| DaemonFC | and come with all the others | May 30 02:35 |
| DaemonFC | notice how Fedora doesn't support MP3? | May 30 02:35 |
| DaemonFC | they suggest that you might go get the Fluendo decoder if you need it | May 30 02:35 |
| DaemonFC | but they don't provide it | May 30 02:36 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't mean Fedora sucks | May 30 02:36 |
| DaemonFC | it means you add some third party repo and get it yourself | May 30 02:36 |
| ender2070 | yeah but they dont offer it themselves | May 30 02:36 |
| ender2070 | they recommend open formats | May 30 02:37 |
| DaemonFC | right | May 30 02:37 |
| DaemonFC | same with Mandriva | May 30 02:37 |
| ender2070 | if you own the cd it you dont need mp3 | May 30 02:37 |
| DaemonFC | the Free Edition is just as good as the one they sell | May 30 02:37 |
| ender2070 | kde automagically lets me drag and drop the tracks into ogg or flac | May 30 02:37 |
| DaemonFC | so does Rhytmbox | May 30 02:37 |
| ender2070 | easiest ever | May 30 02:37 |
| DaemonFC | and Sound Juicer | May 30 02:37 |
| ender2070 | no no | May 30 02:37 |
| DaemonFC | and Banshee for that matter | May 30 02:37 |
| ender2070 | no progam | May 30 02:37 |
| ender2070 | simply dolphin | May 30 02:38 |
| ender2070 | I browse the cd and it makes a virtual filesystem with folders, all the folders have virtual files in each format | May 30 02:38 |
| ender2070 | cddb info already added to the filenames too | May 30 02:39 |
| DaemonFC | KDE has plenty of $20,000 toilet seats of its own | May 30 02:39 |
| ender2070 | the point is i dont have to launch something thats not already running | May 30 02:39 |
| DaemonFC | so? | May 30 02:39 |
| ender2070 | better | May 30 02:39 |
| ender2070 | lol | May 30 02:39 |
| DaemonFC | it takes as long to bring up Dolphin as it does to pull u Rhythmbox | May 30 02:40 |
| DaemonFC | or Sound Juicer | May 30 02:40 |
| DaemonFC | or Banshee | May 30 02:40 |
| ender2070 | dont think so | May 30 02:40 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: There is one point where I agree that ripping sucks on GNOME | May 30 02:40 |
| ender2070 | the overall task is faster for me | May 30 02:40 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed that gstreamer's MP3 encoder is based on Lame but fucks up all the presets | May 30 02:41 |
| ender2070 | ah | May 30 02:41 |
| DaemonFC | and imposes an arbitrary 16 Khz lowpass | May 30 02:41 |
| ender2070 | mp3 encoding? ftl | May 30 02:41 |
| DaemonFC | no matter what you do | May 30 02:41 |
| ender2070 | why are you making more mp3s | May 30 02:41 |
| DaemonFC | I don't rip to MP3 if I can avoid it | May 30 02:41 |
| DaemonFC | all of my stuff plays Vorbis, I made sure before I bought it | May 30 02:42 |
| ender2070 | i still use a 512mb iriver | May 30 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft went to special lengths to make Vorbis a pain in the ass on Windows | May 30 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | Explorer has no tag editor for it | May 30 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Media Player has no idea what they are | May 30 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | if you install codecs, WMP will make the progress bar not move | May 30 02:43 |
| ender2070 | i think amarok supports all that wmp and pays on windows bs | May 30 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | WMP still can't read the tags, even if you install a tag reader | May 30 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | this is new to Windows 7 | May 30 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | so Microsoft makes sure you can't add support for Vorbis to anything native | May 30 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | third party apps work fine obviously | May 30 02:44 |
| ender2070 | i wonder if they will fix that to support webm | May 30 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | are you being sarcastic? | May 30 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 30 02:44 |
| oiaohm | That is what I am wondering as well ender2070 | May 30 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft will add support for it, bgrudgingly, 5 years after it becomes widely used | May 30 02:45 |
| ender2070 | they need to keep ie working on youtube | May 30 02:45 |
| oiaohm | Maybe just wrap the vorbis in webm | May 30 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | maybe | May 30 02:45 |
| oiaohm | Might be a MS solution. | May 30 02:45 |
| ender2070 | you think google wont do it? | May 30 02:45 |
| ender2070 | :) | May 30 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | you saw how long it took Windows Media Player to play AAC files | May 30 02:45 |
| oiaohm | Google is learning to mussle flex. | May 30 02:45 |
| ender2070 | firefox, opera, chrome work on webm | May 30 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | we were on Windows Me and WMP 7 when AAC encoders came out | May 30 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 30 02:45 |
| oiaohm | Really I would not want to be MS. | May 30 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | and no support for it until WMP 11 on Windows 7 | May 30 02:46 |
| DaemonFC | 10 years | May 30 02:46 |
| oiaohm | Could be SP1 | May 30 02:46 |
| DaemonFC | and that's from their cartel buddies | May 30 02:46 |
| oiaohm | Ie they have added codec before in SP1 or SP2 DaemonFC | May 30 02:46 |
| DaemonFC | you'll have to wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first | May 30 02:46 |
| DaemonFC | if you want Microsoft to support any free formats | May 30 02:47 |
| oiaohm | Or be google. DaemonFC | May 30 02:47 |
| ender2070 | if youtube was webm only, not even adobe can save the iphone | May 30 02:47 |
| oiaohm | With the most popular video site on earth. | May 30 02:47 |
| oiaohm | Basically Google has MS exactly where MS does not want to be. | May 30 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | Adobe seems more and more eager to go webm lately | May 30 02:48 |
| ender2070 | same with apple | May 30 02:48 |
| DaemonFC | it's cause they know Flash has some hope with it | May 30 02:48 |
| oiaohm | Adobe is not stupid | May 30 02:48 |
| DaemonFC | and no hope without it | May 30 02:48 |
| ender2070 | lol daemon | May 30 02:48 |
| ender2070 | jobs leaked the info about the patent pool against open source codecs | May 30 02:48 |
| DaemonFC | which doesn't exist | May 30 02:48 |
| ender2070 | apple is in with h264 | May 30 02:48 |
| oiaohm | Adobe have been using H264 and you know who has been makign people using that live hell. | May 30 02:48 |
| DaemonFC | patent trolls wait until lots of people use it | May 30 02:48 |
| DaemonFC | then they start firing off vague legal threats | May 30 02:49 |
| oiaohm | Wanting to charge for encoding and the like. | May 30 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | Jobs makes a poor patent troll | May 30 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | even if they have something | May 30 02:49 |
| oiaohm | Basicaly Adobe going to webm is defensive. | May 30 02:49 |
| ender2070 | yes | May 30 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: They'll offer WebdrM | May 30 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | is more like it | May 30 02:50 |
| ender2070 | lol | May 30 02:50 |
| oiaohm | Yep Webm wrapped inside there DRM encryption. DaemonFC | May 30 02:50 |
| oiaohm | So free of the patent trolls. DaemonFC | May 30 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | yes | May 30 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | clever | May 30 02:50 |
| ender2070 | webm wrapped in flv | May 30 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | they have every reason to want WebM to succeed | May 30 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | they can exploit it and not pay anyone | May 30 02:50 |
| ender2070 | +1 | May 30 02:51 |
| oiaohm | Adobe is half our friend here. | May 30 02:51 |
| oiaohm | Yes I do mean half. | May 30 02:51 |
| ender2070 | lol | May 30 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | as far as getting popular support for the codec, I agree | May 30 02:51 |
| ender2070 | open source flash | May 30 02:51 |
| ender2070 | will win us | May 30 02:51 |
| ender2070 | lol | May 30 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | but you'll still have "premium content" in WebM format encrusted in Adobe DRM | May 30 02:51 |
| oiaohm | They hate the patent troll as much as us as well. DaemonFC | May 30 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | I could see Netflix using it | May 30 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | it's like a MalloMar | May 30 02:52 |
| oiaohm | At least Adobe attempt to be cross platform as well. | May 30 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | a gooey chocolate center | May 30 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | and a graham cracker crust of corruption | May 30 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 30 02:52 |
| oiaohm | If Adobe flash is still here for protected stuff and silverlie is dead I will be happy. | May 30 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | true | May 30 02:53 |
| ender2070 | adobe has 64bit flash for linux only | May 30 02:53 |
| DaemonFC | the open codec wins and Microsoft's proprietary format is gone | May 30 02:53 |
| DaemonFC | I assume the "premium content" will play on Linux now | May 30 02:53 |
| oiaohm | DRM will always be around in some form. | May 30 02:53 |
| ender2070 | just as piracy will be | May 30 02:53 |
| oiaohm | Some stupid idiot will aways think its a good idea. | May 30 02:53 |
| DaemonFC | speaking of which, I need that | May 30 02:53 |
| DaemonFC | thanks ender2070 | May 30 02:53 |
| oiaohm | Piracy not always. If the freestuff is the best out there why would you pirate. ender2070 | May 30 02:54 |
| ender2070 | LOL | May 30 02:54 |
| ender2070 | i can see the headlines now | May 30 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | because Microsoft advertises the stuff they can't afford | May 30 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | you have to know it exists before you steal it | May 30 02:54 |
| oiaohm | We are going into the standards war. | May 30 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | duh | May 30 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 30 02:55 |
| ender2070 | im just saying there will always be people around who will steal peoples shit | May 30 02:55 |
| oiaohm | If they is stuff to steal of course. ender2070 | May 30 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: About the missing car stereo and four slashed tires....... | May 30 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm did it!!!! | May 30 02:55 |
| *DaemonFC ducks | May 30 02:55 | |
| DaemonFC | sorry pal | May 30 02:55 |
| oiaohm | I had people that stupid. | May 30 02:56 |
| oiaohm | Picking my way into my own car I got pulled up for attempting to steal it. | May 30 02:56 |
| oiaohm | Come on do you think a thief would take 15 mins to get a car door open. | May 30 02:56 |
| DaemonFC | I'm compiling Sauerbraten | May 30 02:57 |
| oiaohm | Down loading Alfresco to mess with. | May 30 02:57 |
| ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOYhF8jgeO0 | May 30 02:57 |
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| DaemonFC | checkinstall is wickedly evil | May 30 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | I would make and host RPMs of it myself | May 30 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | but checkinstall is wickedly evil | May 30 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 30 02:57 |
| oiaohm | Really suxs to be out of quota and stuck at dialup speed. | May 30 02:58 |
| oiaohm | With a few 100 meg size downloads todo. | May 30 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | wow | May 30 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | that was fast | May 30 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | what went wrong? | May 30 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 30 02:58 |
| oiaohm | 10 kb per sec. | May 30 02:58 |
| oiaohm | Ok slightly faster than dialup at moment. | May 30 02:58 |
| oiaohm | I have been trying stacks of different software. DaemonFC | May 30 02:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] My Peppermint feature has turned partly into a cloud computing piece..Typed far too much...some editing needed. It's far too late now though | May 30 02:59 | |
| DaemonFC | texture corruption | May 30 02:59 |
| DaemonFC | we have an improvement | May 30 02:59 |
| oiaohm | I might make 15 GB this month in an account with a 5 GB quota. | May 30 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | when I built it on Mandriva 2010 these textures wouldn't load at all | May 30 03:00 |
| oiaohm | My home account does not have much. | May 30 03:00 |
| oiaohm | Really should go to work they have a large quota. | May 30 03:00 |
| oiaohm | I got speed cut when I was already 5 GB over. DaemonFC | May 30 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | heh | May 30 03:02 |
| DaemonFC | sounds like satellite | May 30 03:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] So I'll bid you all goodnight...."Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4TLto-nKfU | May 30 03:03 | |
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| DaemonFC | Arnold Arnold Arnold Rimmer more reliable than a garden trimmer.... | May 30 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 30 03:07 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: its adsl. | May 30 03:08 |
| oiaohm | ISP hates me when I end up breaking quota I always do it by 2 to 4 before I get speed slowed. This time I was impressive 5G | May 30 03:09 |
| oiaohm | I am nice I only do it once very 6 months. | May 30 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | I have no quota | May 30 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | bwahahahahaaaaaa!!! | May 30 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | I am all powerful | May 30 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 30 03:13 |
| oiaohm | Australia issue no quota is rare. | May 30 03:14 |
| oiaohm | Unless its dialup. | May 30 03:14 |
| oiaohm | Heck some phone providers throw in dialup for free here. | May 30 03:14 |
| oiaohm | Hmm that rememdes me | May 30 03:14 |
| oiaohm | I should dig out my dialup modem and dial in and abuse that as well. | May 30 03:15 |
| ender2070 | lol | May 30 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | I get free dial up on my DSL account where I have no phone line | May 30 03:18 |
| DaemonFC | does that help? :P | May 30 03:18 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: I live about a block from a major AT*T office that doubles as the DSL switching center | May 30 03:18 |
| ender2070 | i might have to get dialup | May 30 03:18 |
| DaemonFC | so I have the fastest DSL they can sell me | May 30 03:18 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | May 30 03:18 |
| oiaohm | I forgot to say calling in for dialup costs me nothing as well. | May 30 03:20 |
| ender2070 | http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/61878 | May 30 03:20 |
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| ender2070 | +1 | May 30 03:20 |
| oiaohm | KVM is beating Xen | May 30 03:26 |
| ender2070 | yeah | May 30 03:27 |
| ender2070 | kvm is also not a forked linux kernel | May 30 03:28 |
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| DaemonFC | heh, Sauerbraten works in Wine | May 30 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 30 03:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Wow, Linux Tablet will kill ipad - http://www.junauza.com/2010/05/shogo-linux-tablet-potential-ipad.html #linux #tablet #ipad | May 30 03:45 | |
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| DaemonFC | ender2070: That's odd | May 30 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | SecuROM was complaining I had no CDROM drive | May 30 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | so I had to manually map the /media folder to drive E: | May 30 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 30 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | then it shut up :D | May 30 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | I had considered Cedega at one point to get this game to work | May 30 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | but then I looked at the pricing and figured that I could buy a copy of Windows for every year I paid Transgaming :) | May 30 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | and to make things worse of course, they give little back to Wine | May 30 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: How is Transgaming still around? | May 30 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | I've heard they were losing money and about to die every year since 2006 | May 30 03:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Wow, Wow, Wow, I loved these smart furniture #mustsee http://bit.ly/aMu2KY | May 30 04:05 | |
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| oiaohm | Few games have kept them alive DaemonFC | May 30 04:06 |
| oiaohm | Ie the copy protection deal they did in 2006 kinda saved them for now. DaemonFC | May 30 04:07 |
| oiaohm | Part of that deal they get paid to make Linux native servers for many games. DaemonFC | May 30 04:07 |
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| oiaohm | You asked about transgaming before. | May 30 04:17 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: reason they are still around is part of there copyprotection deal. | May 30 04:17 |
| oiaohm | Part of the deal Transgaming builts linux game servers for particular games and gets paid for it. DaemonFC | May 30 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, still trying to make Oblivion behave | May 30 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 30 04:18 |
| oiaohm | From a tech point of view more and more of Transgaming system is end up wine. | May 30 04:18 |
| oiaohm | They don't like it of course. | May 30 04:18 |
| oiaohm | Ie LGPL wine | May 30 04:19 |
| oiaohm | They forked off from wine in the first place to avoid the LGPL licence. | May 30 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | I thought the fork pissed off WineHQ and brought about the LGPL re-license | May 30 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | the BSD and MIT type licenses remind me of that line in the Pirates of the Caribbean | May 30 04:22 |
| oiaohm | It both. | May 30 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | Take what you can, give nothing back! | May 30 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 30 04:22 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | May 30 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, BSD style licenses just strike me as something you'd slap on a hobby or something educational | May 30 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | like, it fits in with MINIX maybe | May 30 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | but I don't know why anyone would license a 50 million line of code OS bundle under BSD | May 30 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | it just seems crazy that they're actually bragging about being unpaid Apple employees | May 30 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | LGPL is the one and only reason we ever saw anything that Apple improved in KHTML | May 30 04:25 |
| cubezzz | you have to give Stallman props | May 30 04:25 |
| cubezzz | he knew what would happen | May 30 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | if Konqueror was BSD licensed they may never have even said where they got it | May 30 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | much less given any code back | May 30 04:25 |
| oiaohm | http://www.blendernation.com/big-buck-bunny-outakes/ | May 30 04:26 |
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| DaemonFC | brb | May 30 04:27 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'The other Ken Starr got $300 million to investigate #Clinton, the rubberstamp 9/11 commission got $37 million' http://huff.to/belz6q | May 30 04:39 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Foxconn's answer to employee suicides? Nets and counselling. Think about that! #chinasucks | May 30 05:28 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Just woke up, its 10AM; Looking for something to eat. | May 30 05:37 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Malawi President Mutharika pardons gay couple, initially sentenced to 14yrs prison, after meeting #UN head Ban Ki-moon http://bit.ly/cLMIux | May 30 06:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] US #oil slick = global headlines, yet ppl of #Niger delta have had to live with environmental catastrophes for decades http://bit.ly/9z4eO8 | May 30 07:00 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Foxconn 'basic pay is $130/month..Most work 12 hrs a day' #chinasucks #apple #ipad #dell #hp #lenovo #ibm #sony #xbox http://bit.ly/bpZAmx | May 30 07:07 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple Blocks #Firefox in #hypePhone , #hypePad Disappoints http://ur1.ca/04c85 #gnu #linux #tablet #vista7 #drm | May 30 07:35 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Now that #Novell is a dead company it’s time to say something about the tens of millions of dollars Hovsepian made http://ur1.ca/04cbz | May 30 07:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Dear twittasphere, how much damage can an accidental cold wash of a nylon/rayon/spandex dry cleanable garment do? #sigh | May 30 08:15 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Dear twittasphere, how much damage can an accidental cold wash of a nylon/rayon/spandex dry clean-only garment do? #sigh | May 30 08:16 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Distractions over the last few months made me forget how interesting comp.os.linux.advocacy can be if you spend time with.... | May 30 08:16 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Whilst there are some very strange views (and strange people, myself included) I think Usenet still offers a rather unique experience.. | May 30 08:17 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Rather relevant (the last retweet) since I took a look at the DEB/Code of practice drafting. IP protection a double edged sword? | May 30 08:20 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google not only does “evil”; it patents it, too http://techrights.org/2010/05/30/google-in-god-mode/ | May 30 08:23 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Can't go out for lunch in this sun. Ordered farm house pizza, choco lava cake and coke for lunch. | May 30 08:47 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'Then, #Obama himself should resign.' Dream on, Jebbie. All that should have happened after #iraq, too. http://bit.ly/atxtLd #oil #bp #crime | May 30 08:48 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@avivao why am i not surprised microbes might achieve what humans cannot | May 30 08:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Sex In The City 2 'worst reviewed piece of cinema since that John Travolta Rastafarian alien flick.' http://bit.ly/aVeMMt #movies | May 30 08:55 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #isupportlaws hashtag contains a contradiction. #justsayin | May 30 08:59 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Laughing at environmentalists is really funny. ...Until there's nothing safe to eat, drink or breathe. #bp cc @rwrenfrew | May 30 09:02 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Trying to pick through one of my articles for publishing shortly. | May 30 09:06 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Diane Abbot who sent her kid to a private school after criticising others for doing so now wants to be Labour leader, who could trust her? | May 30 09:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Introductions to #GNU #Linux and Why It's Not "Scary" http://ur1.ca/04cr3 http://ur1.ca/04cr4 http://ur1.ca/04cr5 | May 30 09:29 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux is a Lot More Than Just Improved #Security http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/linux-security-anti-virus.html | May 30 09:31 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Desktop #GNU #Linux Lacks Not Much of Interest Anymore http://elevenislouder.blogspot.com/2010/05/what-you-use.html | May 30 09:33 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Diane Abbott who sent her kid to a private school after criticising others for doing so now wants to be Labour leader, who could trust her? | May 30 09:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Lindsay Lohan prohibited from installing #Linux on court-ordered alcohol monitoring gadget" http://ur1.ca/04csy | May 30 09:36 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] '#Harper insists that his govt is putting the #environment first' Gawd! stop him! Now! http://bit.ly/bOc2Hg #cdnpoli #canada #LiarNotALeader | May 30 09:43 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'politicians & their #oil friends calculate—prob correctly—that a yr from now #Gulfspill will be forgotten' http://bit.ly/bOc2Hg #cdnpoli | May 30 09:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] listening to The Buggles, Video Killed the Radio Star. Memories of primary school... | May 30 09:47 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] now all I need is a dose of Brideshead Revisited (#bbc series, not the crap movie) | May 30 09:48 | |
| oiaohm | Hmm what OS does the alchol monitoring gadget run. I would be funny if it is Linux. | May 30 09:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Iain Duncan Smith is actually talking sense about return to work effective tax rates. | May 30 09:54 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] The stick will be withdrawing "benefit" for those deemed not cooperating. Is not living on £63 a week JSA not enough stick? Food stamps? | May 30 09:59 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Graphics Stack Gains Improved #ATI Support http://ur1.ca/04cvw http://ur1.ca/04cvx | May 30 09:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reviews and New Introductions to GNU/Linux Applications - DVD Burning http://ur1.ca/04cw8 http://ur1.ca/04cwa | May 30 10:00 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Games for #GNU #Linux : Speed Dreams 1.4.0, Lugaru HD http://ur1.ca/04cwr http://ur1.ca/04cwu | May 30 10:05 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KTorrent 4.0 and #KOffice 2.2 Are Released http://ur1.ca/04cx4 http://ur1.ca/04cx5 http://ur1.ca/04cx6 #kde | May 30 10:05 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE SC 4.5 Beta 1 is Out http://ur1.ca/04cxb http://ur1.ca/04cxc http://ur1.ca/04cxd http://ur1.ca/04cxe | May 30 10:07 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Forking/Succeeding #KDE 3 Unlikely to Work http://vizzzion.org/blog/2010/05/trinity-and-the-challenges-of-continuing-kde-3/ | May 30 10:08 | |
| Techrights | Title: Trinity and the Challenges of Continuing KDE 3 « vizZzion.org :: sebas' blog .::. Size~: 27.45 KB | May 30 10:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE 4.5 in Focus With New Excising Features http://ur1.ca/04cxw http://ur1.ca/04cxx http://ur1.ca/04cxy | May 30 10:09 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GTK / #GNOME Desktop Step up a Notch and GNOME 2.31.2 is Out http://ur1.ca/04cyb http://ur1.ca/04cyc | May 30 10:10 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandriva Linux 2010 Spring is on Its Way http://ur1.ca/04czu http://ur1.ca/04czv #gnu #linux | May 30 10:26 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #CentOS Gets More Mainstream Status With Corporate Support, Deployments http://ur1.ca/04d0d http://ur1.ca/04d0e http://ur1.ca/04d0f | May 30 10:27 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] List of Linux-powered devices http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux-powered_devices #foss #linux #devices | May 30 10:27 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora #Linux Comics http://ur1.ca/04d16 http://ur1.ca/04d17 http://ur1.ca/04d18 | May 30 10:29 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] I will never recommend Ubuntu to any new user from now onward. new version comes with more bugs #ubuntu http://bit.ly/aTrpus | May 30 10:34 | |
| Techrights | Title: How to fix Firefox slow problem in ubuntu 10.04(Lucid) | Ubuntu Geek .::. Size~: 51.58 KB | May 30 10:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] '#Transocean's corporate motto is, “We're never out of our depth.” (I'm not making this up.)' http://bit.ly/9cXjkT #bp #oil | May 30 10:41 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] '#oil sands in #canada's backyard: toxic tailing ponds already >50 sq km, a stone's throw from Athabasca River' http://bit.ly/9cXjkT #harper | May 30 10:43 | |
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| MinceR | hay | May 30 10:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Motorola Goes Just With #Linux http://ur1.ca/04d3a http://ur1.ca/04d3f http://ur1.ca/04d3g http://ur1.ca/04d3h http://ur1.ca/046m2 | May 30 10:51 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ARM is Helping #Linux : Sub-notebooks Boot Into #Android http://ur1.ca/04d3s http://ur1.ca/04d3t http://ur1.ca/04d3u | May 30 10:55 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] One Tablet Per Child is Now One Tablet Per Child and Runs Just #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/04d43 http://ur1.ca/04d44 | May 30 10:56 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Gartner Lies About #Nokia 's #Linux Sales http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1651102/nokia-refutes-n900-poor-sales-claims | May 30 10:58 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Meego Reviewed, Introduced http://ur1.ca/04d4a http://ur1.ca/04d4b http://ur1.ca/04d4c http://ur1.ca/04d4d | May 30 10:58 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Do I blame gwibber or top because top shows gwibber using 9999 percent cpu? :) | May 30 11:05 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] I am quite late to learn that CTRL+Click on a URL in an OSX terminal opens it. | May 30 11:07 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @avivao #Oil dispersant Corexit 9527A has 2-butoxyethanol, known human carcinogen & toxic //mfr claims entirely safe&nontoxic, of course | May 30 11:34 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Getting some pork in the oven to slow cook for tea.. http://bit.ly/JWWL0 om nom | May 30 11:41 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Insanely cool flying robots of the future! http://bit.ly/bZ3U8Q | May 30 11:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Adoption of #ODF , Now at Hancom http://ooo-speak.blogspot.com/2010/05/hancom-to-lose-government-office.html | May 30 11:47 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open Hardware Promoted at Willow Garage, Now in the Press http://ur1.ca/04de3 http://ur1.ca/04de4 http://ur1.ca/04de6 | May 30 11:50 | |
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| Techrights | Title: Willow Garage gets robots into researchers' hands - CNN.com .::. Size~: 42.21 KB | May 30 11:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Governments in Europe Pressured to Understand Freedom Software http://ur1.ca/04ded http://ur1.ca/04dee | May 30 11:52 | |
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| schestowitz | http://asay.blogspot.com/2006/11/microsoft-more-that-they-say-less-rosy.html | May 30 12:10 |
| Techrights | Title: AC/OS: Microsoft: The more that they say, the less rosy the patent deal looks .::. Size~: 32.68 KB | May 30 12:10 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/33944983#notice-34106621 "Could also be "Lindsay Lohan prohibited from driving a powerboat down the street while dressed up as the michelin man" ..." | May 30 12:11 |
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| MinceR | http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/c9hwm/is_it_time_for_the_corporate_death_penalty/ | May 30 12:17 |
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| MinceR | http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/c9hvq/australian_internet_filter_poll_on_australias/ | May 30 12:17 |
| Techrights | Title: Australian Internet Filter poll on Australia's Sydney Morning Herald Website. Help a brother from down under and click "No" : technology .::. Size~: 76.33 KB | May 30 12:17 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: http://www.thomhartman.com/blog/2010/05/halliburton-bp-it-time-corporate-death-penalty | May 30 12:21 |
| Techrights | Title: Halliburton & BP - Is it time for the Corporate Death Penalty? | Thom Hartmann .::. Size~: 29.45 KB | May 30 12:21 |
| schestowitz | Is that the BP platform? | May 30 12:21 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] "There they go. I must run and catch up with them, because I am their leader!" - Mahatma Gandhi | May 30 12:22 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Blimey, only just noticed/realised that @methoddan co-presents floss weekly! Nice one! | May 30 12:36 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] able to save svg-edit image to mysql and getting back. Will start OpenImageLibrary Project this week. learning facebook connect too #svg | May 30 12:47 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Audiocasts About Free/Open Source Software: CAOS Theory, FLOSS Weekly http://ur1.ca/04dm2 http://twit.tv/floss121 | May 30 12:48 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Moving One's Father to #GNU #Linux , Lies About the Platform's Market Share http://ur1.ca/04dm3 http://ur1.ca/04dm4 | May 30 12:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @lilmishap I'm pissed i never got to fly on a #Concorde // don't be; your grandchildren will be saying "pissed I didn't get to fly" | May 30 13:02 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Sophie (6) on F1:"It would be good if the ones who usually won didn't win, and the ones who don't usually win, won sometimes". How astute :) | May 30 13:14 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @mrpower Looks like he spent fair chunk of winnings on food: http://is.gd/cvw2t //bloody 'ell. what a pitiful story #chavs #lotto #money | May 30 13:14 | |
| Techrights | Title: Bin of the chavs: Lotto lout Michael Carroll set to return to old job after blowing £9.7m win | Mail Online .::. Size~: 69.27 KB | May 30 13:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] We'll show Pete bloody Waterman which way is up. http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=126082340746758 @deathboyuk FTW! | May 30 13:16 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Waiting for Firefox 4 - https://developer.mozilla.org/en/SVG_animation_%28SMIL%29_in_Firefox #svg | May 30 13:19 | |
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| oiaohm | Hmm wonder if I convence blender to render SVG animations | May 30 13:35 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @danielmaier Oh, elasticated bottom sheet. The fold-resistant black sheep of the #bedlinen family. // a personal bête noir! | May 30 14:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@Tosfm @dominiquerdr @GhadeerM @Cairo_Times More #gaza #flotilla news in #canada media http://bit.ly/bfhGfZ http://bit.ly/bxiNMQ | May 30 14:22 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@ Armen138 I have created a website so terrible, #google chrome will throw a #BSOD as soon as it sees it // url or it didn't happen! | May 30 14:22 | |
| Techrights | Title: Gaza’s optimism at flotilla tempered by Israel’s watchful ships - The Globe and Mail .::. Size~: 60.9 KB | May 30 14:22 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@Armen138 I have created a website so terrible, #google chrome will throw a #BSOD as soon as it sees it // url or it didn't happen! | May 30 14:23 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why VistA (for #Healthcare ) Would be Better off Entirely Free/Libre Software http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/61770 | May 30 15:06 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google Spreads Free Software for Education http://ur1.ca/04e7j | May 30 15:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] New blog post: The Death Of The Fossil Fuel Companies - Sell Your Stock Now While It's Still Worth Something http://bit.ly/9ExTsQ | May 30 15:15 | |
| Techrights | Title: The Death Of The Fossil Fuel Companies Sell Your Stock Now While Its Still Worth Something « Through the Looking Glass .::. Size~: 95.97 KB | May 30 15:15 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/33887555#notice-34124467 "Poor Bill - no one wants to put his wonderful Windows on a tablet. He must feel so hard done by..." | May 30 15:23 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Free #CMS Software Coming in June http://www.cmswire.com/cms/web-cms/alert-whats-coming-for-open-source-cms-in-june-2010-007658.php | May 30 15:24 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla #Thunderbird 3.1 is Coming Out Soon http://ur1.ca/04eaa http://ur1.ca/04eab http://ur1.ca/04ead | May 30 15:24 | |
| Techrights | Title: Alert: What's Coming for Open Source CMS in June 2010 .::. Size~: 75.9 KB | May 30 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.6307/pub_detail.asp | May 30 15:38 |
| Techrights | Title: Bill Gates Funds Gulen Islamist Movement » Publications » Family Security Matters .::. Size~: 35.7 KB | May 30 15:38 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: lol another empire to permeate and peddle M$ products/services to. | May 30 15:40 |
| schestowitz | Remember talal? | May 30 15:41 |
| schestowitz | The guy who's friends with Bill? | May 30 15:41 |
| schestowitz | He was gonna funnel money to SCO | May 30 15:41 |
| schestowitz | http://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2010/5/28/4539371.html | May 30 15:41 |
| Techrights | Title: Gates Keepers :: Gates Foundation fills Mugabe coffers in Zimbabwe .::. Size~: 18.99 KB | May 30 15:41 |
| schestowitz | http://healthosp.com/archive/jalna35169467o3a/archives558936 | May 30 15:42 |
| Techrights | Title: FAIR CEO Blasts Kaiser Foundation & Public Agenda HIV/AIDS Study Results as "Absolute Nonsense" .::. Size~: 22.17 KB | May 30 15:42 |
| schestowitz | Lots of stuff to cover tomorrow | May 30 15:42 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: the Gates Foundation certainly seems to be making the right connections in certain regions. :P | May 30 15:42 |
| schestowitz | Either for PR, profit,or Bill's ego | May 30 15:42 |
| schestowitz | Usually (once you find the evidence supporting the explanations) | May 30 15:42 |
| schestowitz | One strand of investment I can't see the profit is in clean water | May 30 15:43 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: next Bill Gates needs to find the Africa nation of Bodigitia and his imperialist ambitions are complete. I don't think he'll still have as lasting a historical impact as Rhodes, I could be wrong though. | May 30 15:43 |
| schestowitz | Unless he invests in some companies like those in Colombia that monetise thirst | May 30 15:43 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: in the crazy nation he's in (where many need to be "born again") I don't think he can ever become president | May 30 15:44 |
| schestowitz | And I 'thank' 'God' for that... | May 30 15:44 |
| schestowitz | But presidency sucks anyway | May 30 15:44 |
| schestowitz | It lasts 4 years | May 30 15:44 |
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| schestowitz | Bill can last another 40 | May 30 15:44 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: or the fact that India is privatizing the Ganges River | May 30 15:44 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know that | May 30 15:45 |
| schestowitz | But anyway, last week we found out more | May 30 15:45 |
| schestowitz | He doubled investments in walmart | May 30 15:45 |
| schestowitz | Same week that Walmart heads came to Redmond | May 30 15:45 |
| schestowitz | To meet gates, who was there in the CEO Summit | May 30 15:45 |
| schestowitz | He also invests in McDonalds, still | May 30 15:45 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: next day all Linux based netbooks, tablets and MIDs will be taken off Walmart shelves | May 30 15:45 |
| schestowitz | Gates Foundation: charity and tax-free investments on the side | May 30 15:46 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: in fact Walmart already withdrew all support for those cheap gOS desktops. | May 30 15:46 |
| schestowitz | Investments usually in pharma patents and monopolists who take other bsuienss out of business | May 30 15:46 |
| schestowitz | I don't consider that to be ethical investments | May 30 15:46 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: we have explanation for Walmart | May 30 15:46 |
| schestowitz | Where Turner came from (Microsoft COO) | May 30 15:47 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2009/01/22/microsoft-taskforce-vs-walmart-linux/ | May 30 15:47 |
| Techrights | Title: Microsoft Antitrust: “The Linux Threat on the Desktop” (2006) and Predatory Response | Techrights .::. Size~: 131.4 KB | May 30 15:47 |
| schestowitz | Leaked | May 30 15:47 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/05/24/murdochsoft-and-lobbying-event/ | May 30 15:47 |
| Techrights | Title: Walmart Chairman, Warren Buffett, Notorious Bankers, Timothy Geithner, and Even Queen of Jordan Come to Microsoft | Techrights .::. Size~: 109 KB | May 30 15:47 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, they can't stock Microsoft anymore | May 30 15:47 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: btw what do you think of the move of Palm's WebOS pioneer Matias Duarte to Google for Android development? | May 30 15:47 |
| schestowitz | It has become embarrassing | May 30 15:47 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/05/03/zune-not-on-display/ | May 30 15:47 |
| Techrights | Title: Wal-Mart Removes Microsoft Zune From Shelves Source | Techrights .::. Size~: 96.63 KB | May 30 15:47 |
| schestowitz | Why put them on the shelves to begin with? | May 30 15:48 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: I read about that twice | May 30 15:48 |
| schestowitz | I don't know him | May 30 15:48 |
| schestowitz | At first I worried it was Palm's s/w chief | May 30 15:48 |
| schestowitz | Palm hired him from MSFT around 2008 | May 30 15:48 |
| schestowitz | Big mistake | May 30 15:48 |
| schestowitz | What were they thinking? WinMob? Zune? SideKick (bought)? | May 30 15:48 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, he's out of Palm (and HP) now | May 30 15:49 |
| schestowitz | But HP's new VP is from MSFT | May 30 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Effective May 17th, 2010 | May 30 15:49 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: his first start within big industry was with Danger Incorporated with non other then Andy Rubin where their design of the Danger Hiptop was licensed by M$ for non other then the TMobile Sidekick | May 30 15:50 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: he then moved on to become creative director for Helio where he had a hand in their flagship Ocean cellphone. | May 30 15:51 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: After Helio went bust Jon Rubinstein hired him to head development for the WebOS GUI. | May 30 15:52 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: now it seems that during the HP aquisition the execs at Google saw an opportunity to nab him and the person who convinced him to move over is current head of Android development Andy Rubin | May 30 15:53 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: yes, we have a post on Rubin | May 30 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Hold on, I'm find it | May 30 15:54 |
| schestowitz | *ing | May 30 15:54 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/01/10/andy-rubin-android-msft/ | May 30 15:54 |
| Techrights | Title: History of Microsofts “Slog” Against Android Brainchild | Techrights .::. Size~: 104.35 KB | May 30 15:54 |
| schestowitz | This basically said what Microsoft has done with those guys | May 30 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Notice: | May 30 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Sidekick is dead | May 30 15:55 |
| schestowitz | Not advertised | May 30 15:55 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft bought and abandoned it | May 30 15:55 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Kin borrowed some ideas, designs and shall we say "patents" | May 30 15:55 |
| schestowitz | Here's the thing | May 30 15:55 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: You can't deny he did some good for Palm in assembling the team for WebOS and earning it good publicity at the 2009 CES. But like many higher ups in Silicon Valley they seem to follow their own clique, have no company loyalty (not many do these days in the US) and usually like starting up stuff more then maintaining it. | May 30 15:55 |
| schestowitz | Back 1.5 years ago I'm sure I read Rubin had left | May 30 15:56 |
| schestowitz | I assumed Android was collapsing | May 30 15:56 |
| schestowitz | Later on I still saw him in the press | May 30 15:56 |
| schestowitz | Well after he had given those first demos | May 30 15:56 |
| schestowitz | Was there some awkward situation | May 30 15:56 |
| schestowitz | And GOogle does well cause of apps critical mass now | May 30 15:56 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: well the Sidekick did pretty well as a product with barely any support from M$ nabbing a #2 behind the Motorola Razr in the US back in the day. | May 30 15:57 |
| schestowitz | Motorola is OK | May 30 15:57 |
| schestowitz | My friend's dad (From when I was about 10) worked there | May 30 15:57 |
| schestowitz | They used to be massive | May 30 15:57 |
| schestowitz | I though they would collapse but Droid saves them | May 30 15:57 |
| schestowitz | Now they bet the firm on Android | May 30 15:57 |
| schestowitz | There were articles about that this week | May 30 15:58 |
| schestowitz | They have this guy with an Indian name who was trying both WIndows and Android | May 30 15:58 |
| schestowitz | And prior to that they had in-house/generic Linux+Java | May 30 15:58 |
| schestowitz | Now it's all Android it would seem | May 30 15:58 |
| schestowitz | I think they split the company into 2 units last year | May 30 15:58 |
| schestowitz | I wish them well as long as they sell PATENTS DEAL-free Linux phones | May 30 15:59 |
| schestowitz | HTC, LG, Samsung and and another Japanese company PAY MICROSOFT for Android phones | May 30 15:59 |
| schestowitz | ANd sadly, most phones come from these companies | May 30 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Not Sony, Motorola, and few others | May 30 16:00 |
| schestowitz | Motorola would be hard for Microsoft to break cause they have massive portfolio | May 30 16:00 |
| schestowitz | Sony too | May 30 16:00 |
| schestowitz | But Samsung is one of the top patentors in the US now | May 30 16:00 |
| schestowitz | Second in IT maybe | May 30 16:00 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: I heard rumors about Motorola remerging again because of the sudden upsurge in the mobile business again | May 30 16:01 |
| schestowitz | I need to find out about software patent law in Korea (maybe like Japan's) | May 30 16:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Does anyone know *software) patent law in Korea? Is that anything like JP/US law? #swpats | May 30 16:02 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Italian press freedoms under threat. http://gu.com/p/2hap7/tw | May 30 16:05 | |
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| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: is it anything like what the mess for journalistic integrity that the UK libel laws filed across the Commonwealth and even beyond are creating? | May 30 16:06 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: is that girl from Washington state still in jail in Italy pending trial as a suspect of a murder? | May 30 16:07 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: at least in the UK common sense prevails sometimes: http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/04/uk-science-journalists-wins-libel-appeal.ars | May 30 16:08 |
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| Ziomatrix | If only more lawmakers in the US as what what was said as a closing statement in Underwager v. Salter by the Federal 7th Circuit Court of Appeals had this at heart for software patents: "Scientific controversies must be settled by the methods of science rather than by the methods of litigation... More papers, more discussion, better data, and more satisfactory models—not larger awards of damages—mark the path towards superio | May 30 16:12 |
| Ziomatrix | understanding of the world around us." | May 30 16:12 |
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| TheMadHatter | Roy, you there? | May 30 16:14 |
| Ziomatrix | TheMadHatter: he's busy it seems | May 30 16:15 |
| TheMadHatter | OK, just wanted to point this one out to him, I figure he can have some fun with it. | May 30 16:15 |
| TheMadHatter | http://madhatter.ca/2010/05/30/the-death-of-the-fossil-fuel-companies-sell-your-stock-now-while-its-still-worth-something/ | May 30 16:15 |
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| Ziomatrix | TheMadHatter: I call that alittle drastic, sell petroleum stocks because they will drop due to this catastrophe, but not because the industry itself will die anytime soon | May 30 16:16 |
| TheMadHatter | Read the article, and you'll see where I'm coing from. Petroleum usage is going to drop like a paralyed falcon. | May 30 16:18 |
| Ziomatrix | TheMadHatter: Electric cars aren't going to be so widespread anytime soon, give it at least a 2 decades. Perhaps smaller countries will start adapting quicker but I still see North America, China and much of Asia along with the Middle East and Europe holding on to petroleum. | May 30 16:18 |
| TheMadHatter | Oh, the catastrophe in the Gulf will help - it will make more people think electric. | May 30 16:18 |
| Ziomatrix | TheMadHatter: the question of starting or its batteries being able to hold a charge in cold temperatures is another matter too. | May 30 16:19 |
| TheMadHatter | Think costs - with the cost savings involved, you'd have to be an idiot, or Bill Gates to want to drive anything else. | May 30 16:19 |
| Ziomatrix | TheMadHatter: populist driven knee jerk reaction usually result in a mob or a fad. | May 30 16:19 |
| TheMadHatter | Nissan has already done the cold weather testing. Besides, most of the USA is warm enough that cold isn't an issue, except maybe one or two days a year | May 30 16:20 |
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| Ziomatrix | TheMadHatter: and what if electric companies see the monopoly in peoples' reliance towards their service? | May 30 16:20 |
| Ziomatrix | TheMadHatter: there are also other technical issues such as the time it takes to charge without risk of blowing the alternator and killing battery life in the long run. Also, how are folks going to environmentally produce and dispose of these batteries? | May 30 16:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: "I bet it's just the periscope of a Microsoft patent submarine." | May 30 16:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: this is the funniest line I've ever read | May 30 16:23 |
| Ziomatrix | TheMadHatter: I am not a total pessimist, but I believe people should understand the risks before going head first into a new technology for them, especially one that serves a critical need for commuting. | May 30 16:25 |
| Ziomatrix | TheMadHatter: you also have to consider that with wide use of electric cars a centuries' worth of experience in automobile maintenance will be put into total obsolescence and I can only hope electric cars will be made easy enough for at least small businesses to repair. They shouldn't rely on proprietary standards too much either. | May 30 16:27 |
| Ziomatrix | Diablo-D3: M$ has Wolf Packs? | May 30 16:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #VoltDB (Database With GPL for Community Version) Reaches Milestone http://ur1.ca/04ekz http://ur1.ca/04el1 http://ur1.ca/04el3 | May 30 16:28 | |
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| TheMadHatter | Yeah, but the forklift mechanics will have a field day. | May 30 16:30 |
| Ziomatrix | TheMadHatter: comparing the sophistication of an automobile such as the Tesla Roadster and Nissan lead to an electric forkift and golf kart is like comparing a ICO engine of a BMW a lawnmower. | May 30 16:34 |
| schestowitz | [16:08] <Ziomatrix> schestowitz: at least in the UK common sense prevails sometimes: http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/04/uk-science-journalists-wins-libel-appeal.ars | May 30 16:35 |
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| Ziomatrix | TheMadHatter: this is not simply like transitioning from PC to Mac or Linux but a closer analogy would be from a desktop PC to the Holodeck on Star Trek | May 30 16:35 |
| schestowitz | Not really | May 30 16:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla #Firefox 4 Eyed, Speed Improved http://ur1.ca/04ekw http://ur1.ca/04el0 | May 30 16:35 | |
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| schestowitz | He owes a lot of money due to lawyers | May 30 16:35 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: true, whats your opinion on UK libel laws? | May 30 16:36 |
| schestowitz | So the Chiro bullies got their way | May 30 16:36 |
| schestowitz | They can carry on defrauding people | May 30 16:36 |
| schestowitz | TheMadHatter: hey | May 30 16:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] At #Mozilla , One Decade Milestone for Asa http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2010/05/10_years_mozilla.html | May 30 16:36 | |
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| schestowitz | [16:36] <Ziomatrix> schestowitz: true, whats your opinion on UK libel laws? | May 30 16:39 |
| schestowitz | It's not a law | May 30 16:39 |
| schestowitz | It's disarray | May 30 16:40 |
| schestowitz | British gentlemen seem too sensitive | May 30 16:40 |
| TheMadHatter | afternoon | May 30 16:40 |
| TheMadHatter | Ziomatix, have you ever worked on the electronics in a forklift? They are incredibly sophisticated. | May 30 16:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Probably my favourite track from the PC Demoscene.....the binary is Wine compliant too http://tinyurl.com/32et97o #demoscene #demo #linux | May 30 16:45 | |
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| TheMadHatter | Here's another interesting one | May 30 16:47 |
| TheMadHatter | http://questioncopyright.org/sita_distribution | May 30 16:48 |
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| TheMadHatter | I've talked to Nina, she's really smart, and she's making an impact. | May 30 16:48 |
| Ziomatrix | TheMadHatter: I have never seen it, what I imagined were the small forklifts for lifting inventory at consumer warehouses. | May 30 16:51 |
| Ziomatrix | any g2g later | May 30 16:51 |
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| TheMadHatter | Here's another one - reminds me of Bill Gate Foundation | May 30 16:52 |
| TheMadHatter | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/30/health/30salt.html?pagewanted=all | May 30 16:52 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] About to watch The Bad Lieutenant #cinema | May 30 16:54 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.brandchannel.com/home/post/2010/05/26/Brand-News-052610PM.aspx | May 30 17:00 |
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| schestowitz | [16:52] <TheMadHatter> Here's another one - reminds me of Bill Gate Foundation | May 30 17:01 |
| schestowitz | How so? | May 30 17:01 |
| schestowitz | I've filed that under "AstroTurf" | May 30 17:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Oracle 's #OpenOffice .org 3.2.1 is Appraching Release, #GlassFish Heats Up http://ur1.ca/04epu http://ur1.ca/04epw | May 30 17:04 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Open Source Makes a Difference", "Shift from Skepticism to Enthusiasm" http://ur1.ca/044zs http://ur1.ca/04epx | May 30 17:04 | |
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| TheMadHatter | I was wondering if Gates had any money in salt. | May 30 17:07 |
| TheMadHatter | Damn. Now I've got a kitten sitting on my head. | May 30 17:07 |
| TheMadHatter | She's only three months old, so it's not too bad, but I'm going to have to start training her to sit somewhere else! | May 30 17:09 |
| schestowitz | Not that I know of | May 30 17:12 |
| schestowitz | But I have 4 posts about Gates coming | May 30 17:12 |
| schestowitz | The press is realising what he is up to and people are less shy to explain | May 30 17:12 |
| schestowitz | It's important that many of us do discuss the issues, not letting them become taboo and 'charities' become untouchable | May 30 17:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] State television news reader quits in protest at Berlusconi bias and political appointments. http://is.gd/cvMr7 | May 30 17:15 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-05-27/microsoft-may-cut-zune-streaming-music-price-executive-says.html | May 30 17:18 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Next bogeyman please! Red Dawn is being remade with the invaders changed from Russian to Chinese. This has been coming for years. | May 30 17:34 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Older users here may remember "SkoolDaze" on the Spectrum. It's been brought back albeit by #Python, #Pygame for #Linux http://pyskool.ca/ | May 30 17:34 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Acer is Entering Smartphones Market (and Beyond) With #Linux http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Acer-Stream-and-LumiRead/ | May 30 17:48 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android / #Linux is Moving Everywhere, Not Just Phones http://ur1.ca/04evw http://ur1.ca/04evx http://ur1.ca/04evz | May 30 17:49 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Tablets Run #Linux : #Realease , #Shogo http://ur1.ca/04f0j http://ur1.ca/04f0k http://ur1.ca/04f0n | May 30 18:15 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] All Big OEMs Sell #Linux #Tablets http://ur1.ca/04f0i http://ur1.ca/04f0m | May 30 18:16 | |
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| yuhong | “Vista 7 Security “Cannot be Fixed. It’s a Design Problem.”" | May 30 18:26 |
| yuhong | Which was cited again in another later article on Vista 7 security lies. | May 30 18:26 |
| yuhong | Did you see the old IRC chats with oiaohm and others rebutting this as clearly false? | May 30 18:27 |
| yuhong | Basically they used a boot-time rootkit. | May 30 18:28 |
| yuhong | See old IRC logs, please. | May 30 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: http://www.thanhniennews.com/2010/Pages/20100525121252.aspx | May 30 18:37 |
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| schestowitz | yuhong: http://www.pcworld.com/article/197410/microsoft_official_admits_to_quiet_security_patching.html | May 30 18:37 |
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| schestowitz | Short story, Microsoft lies with a straight face | May 30 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I finally ripped out that damned blasted infernal ATI card | May 30 18:37 |
| schestowitz | It's not a crime | May 30 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | actually the hardware is decent | May 30 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | the driver finally sent me over the edge | May 30 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Microsoft's official line on that is... | May 30 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | "Security patches are studied by malware writers, who then proceed to victimize people who didn't get the update | May 30 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | which I believe there's some truth there | May 30 18:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] mintInstall (of #LinuxMint ) Gets Faster http://www.linuxmint.com/blog/?p=1427 | May 30 18:39 | |
| DaemonFC | unfortunately, being open, detailed, and upfront would put their users at more risk because it's mainly malware writers that read the detailed reports of things like that | May 30 18:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux -Based #Pandora Runs on #ARM , #KaOS Hypervisor Surfaces and Uses Linux http://ur1.ca/04f4f http://ur1.ca/04f4g | May 30 18:40 | |
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| Techrights | unfortunately, being open, detailed, and upfront would put their users at more risk because it's mainly malware writers that read the detailed reports of things like that | May 30 18:41 |
| -Techrights/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux -Based #Pandora Runs on #ARM , #KaOS Hypervisor Surfaces and Uses Linux http://ur1.ca/04f4f http://ur1.ca/04f4g | May 30 18:41 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Many free/open source projects handle bug reports much like Microsoft does | May 30 18:41 |
| yuhong | I know, the consequences of MS pretending that internally-discovered vulnerabilities do not exist can be nasty, yes. | May 30 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | they want private notification of the bug and a chance to fix it | May 30 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | before telling the world :P | May 30 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | Mozilla works like that | May 30 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | yuhong, There's also a good deal of Linux bugs that have security implications that are fixed quietly | May 30 18:42 |
| yuhong | Yes. | May 30 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | like, they'll leave out the possible exploits and just tell you they fixed a normal bug | May 30 18:42 |
| yuhong | I know. | May 30 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | no, it's not as open as they could be, but revealing everything could help out the wrong people | May 30 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | so this is just the way it's done :) | May 30 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | you ever seen how angry the Linux developers get when someone posts details of a security bug they found on an open mailing list? | May 30 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | security bugs happen, and the fewer people that know about them, the better | May 30 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | ideally only the people responsible for fixing it would ever know it happened | May 30 18:45 |
| yuhong | Link, please. | May 30 18:46 |
| yuhong | http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1668910&cid=32388258 | May 30 18:47 |
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| DaemonFC | oh, that happened last year as a matter of fact | May 30 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | some bug they found that had been in the kernel for over 5 years | May 30 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 30 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | and SELinux only made it worse | May 30 18:47 |
| yuhong | In fact, I suggest reading the actual patent. | May 30 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | well, back to trying to fix my old Core 2 Duo system | May 30 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | would be nice to have it as a second PC down in my bedroom | May 30 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 30 18:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Just Works, Whereas #Windows #Vista7 Almost Works, Sometimes http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/roomful-meth-addicted-monkeys | May 30 18:50 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Domination in HPC Shows Windows as Not Even an Option http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/05/29/technical-computing/ | May 30 18:50 | |
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| DaemonFC | I think it has XP X64 on it at the moment | May 30 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | I went that route because of how fat and useless Vista is | May 30 18:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/27/technology/27data.html?src=busln | May 30 18:53 |
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| schestowitz | Office 2010 won't work well on 64-bit either | May 30 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is well behind on 64bit | May 30 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | how come? | May 30 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | that's all Microsoft is letting them ship now really | May 30 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | it would be dumb to not make it run well for 40% of your customers | May 30 18:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Listening to Slay Radio - Best scene radio! www.slayradio.org #radio #scene #chip #mod | May 30 18:55 | |
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| yuhong | What do you mean that Office 2010 won't run well on 64-bit. | May 30 18:59 |
| yuhong | Yes, it does have some problems (Woody recommends the 32-bit version at this point). | May 30 18:59 |
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| yuhong | DaemonFC: Have you considering upgrading that XP x64 machine to Windows 7 64-bit?: | May 30 19:00 |
| yuhong | DaemonFC: Have you considering upgrading that XP x64 machine to Windows 7 64-bit? | May 30 19:00 |
| yuhong | So you will able to run 64-bit native software like Adobe CS4 64-bit and yes Office 2010 64-bit. | May 30 19:01 |
| yuhong | BTW, there is a reason why I always prefer Vista or 7 64-bit to XP x64. | May 30 19:01 |
| yuhong | If I had to choose between the two, I will always choose Vista or 7 64-bit. | May 30 19:02 |
| yuhong | XP x64 was based on Server 2003 SP1 x64. | May 30 19:02 |
| yuhong | And I don't think the DRM is bad enough that Vista should be completely avoided. | May 30 19:04 |
| yuhong | For one thing, most of it only activates if you actually are playing Blu-Ray. | May 30 19:04 |
| yuhong | Note that I said MOST. | May 30 19:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Just been contacted by the devs from Peppermint Linux. I'll have the pleasure of having a Q&A with them for a future article. #linux #foss | May 30 19:05 | |
| yuhong | Protected processes still is activated if you are not, but typically only affects debugging of the audiodg process. | May 30 19:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Zenwalk #Linux 6.4 is Released http://ur1.ca/04f9g http://ur1.ca/04f9h | May 30 19:06 | |
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| yuhong | http://www.askwoody.com/2010/real-story-64bit-office-2010/ | May 30 19:07 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Comparisons Between #GNU #Linux Distributions Based on Torrents and Other Means http://ur1.ca/04f9f http://ur1.ca/04f9i | May 30 19:07 | |
| Techrights | Title: Measuring the popularity of distros Part 3 Torrents | The Linux Blog .net .::. Size~: 32.78 KB | May 30 19:08 |
| yuhong | And on the Linux smearing in MS blogs, I am not stupid enough to believe them, and that as someone who reads them a lot, and trust some of them. | May 30 19:08 |
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| schestowitz |  | May 30 19:13 |
| schestowitz | [18:53] <DaemonFC> how come? | May 30 19:13 |
| schestowitz | I read it in IDG this afternoon | May 30 19:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SuperBillix and #Billix 0.27 Released http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/announcing-billix-027-and-superbillix-027 | May 30 19:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Upgraded, Dumps #Xen for Good, Runs Conference http://ur1.ca/04faj http://ur1.ca/04fak http://ur1.ca/04fal | May 30 19:13 | |
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| schestowitz | I can locate the article if you are interested | May 30 19:14 |
| *schestowitz thinks, Oops, he's gone | May 30 19:14 | |
| schestowitz | Reuters is done from here ...... wow | May 30 19:20 |
| schestowitz | For a while now | May 30 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Worked earlier | May 30 19:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Twitter is integrated very well into the desktop in partnership with Seesmic. Peppermint is great! #foss #linux http://twitpic.com/1sj8g2 | May 30 19:20 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] REVIEW: Peppermint – Cloud/Lightweight distro & considering the cloud? http://tinyurl.com/39ummek #linux #foss #free #peppermint #ubuntu | May 30 19:45 | |
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| schestowitz | My brother's friend works at Microsoft | May 30 19:48 |
| schestowitz | This friend says they only really work about one hour a day | May 30 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Pretending to work the rest of the time (maybe 3 hours at most) | May 30 19:48 |
| schestowitz | This explains the state of Microsoft | May 30 19:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin there's a troll in that screenshot :-) | May 30 19:50 | |
| cubezzz | lol | May 30 20:12 |
| cubezzz | I think even GNU folks work harder than that | May 30 20:13 |
| cubezzz | some of the coreboot guys are _always_ working | May 30 20:13 |
| cubezzz | most of the time I like working | May 30 20:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian #GNU #Linux Ahead of the Curve in Booting Technology, http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/05/28/parallelism-in-debian-gnulinux-booting/ | May 30 20:17 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sugar Uses #Fedora , #BLAG is Revived http://ur1.ca/04fl3 http://ur1.ca/04fl4 | May 30 20:17 | |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: depends on whether you blue the gap between work and hobby | May 30 20:18 |
| cubezzz | I do actually | May 30 20:19 |
| cubezzz | it's the same thing for me | May 30 20:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/05/official-hp-slate-will-run-webos/ | May 30 20:19 |
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| schestowitz | :-) | May 30 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 in dus | May 30 20:19 |
| schestowitz | as expected (*dust) | May 30 20:19 |
| schestowitz | People said it would "kill" Linux | May 30 20:19 |
| cubezzz | of course it won't | May 30 20:20 |
| cubezzz | when I was using XP, it hit the hard drive all the time | May 30 20:21 |
| cubezzz | memory is just being wasted, and economical use of memory has completely gone out the window | May 30 20:23 |
| cubezzz | literally | May 30 20:23 |
| cubezzz | Amiga 500 shipped with 512K | May 30 20:25 |
| cubezzz | Amiga 1200 shipped with 2 megs of ram | May 30 20:25 |
| cubezzz | and a lot of folks say it's very responsive | May 30 20:25 |
| cubezzz | it's consumerism.... | May 30 20:27 |
| cubezzz | zaurus sl-5500 has 64MB Standard Memory for Storage and Running Programs | May 30 20:29 |
| cubezzz | it works fine as an ebook too | May 30 20:29 |
| cubezzz | absolutely no reason why you can't use older hardware | May 30 20:30 |
| cubezzz | grocery stores to this day still use thermal printers | May 30 20:31 |
| cubezzz | very reliable | May 30 20:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewarticle/articleid/4156825 | May 30 20:31 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian #GNU #Linux Named in "Linux Distro Scorecard" as Most Successful http://ur1.ca/04fnw | May 30 20:32 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Ubuntu Magazine, Canonical Conferences Get Too Crowded http://ur1.ca/046x5 http://ur1.ca/04fnx | May 30 20:33 | |
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| oiaohm | People still don't get what google was really upto by wireless sniffing. | May 30 20:37 |
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| cubezzz | I don't like the look of WebOS | May 30 20:38 |
| oiaohm | It works both ways. Number the localation of a van gives a location to the person if they have a static IP. And the wireless transmitters on the ground don't move. So Allow gps correction to be done on a moving machine. | May 30 20:38 |
| oiaohm | And finally I would be interested to see what some people with open wifi usage looked like after google went past. | May 30 20:39 |
| oiaohm | Ie cheep uploading. | May 30 20:39 |
| cubezzz | with Microsoft forcing cards into obsolescence Linux actually supports the most hardware | May 30 20:45 |
| schestowitz | I just got an anwwer re Korea: | May 30 20:45 |
| schestowitz | "i don't know, but i know that the korean fta was (along with cafta) a sort of prototype for acta, if that tells you anything" | May 30 20:45 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/33976285#notice-34155236 | May 30 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | Does anyone know about Korean patent law? | May 30 20:46 |
| schestowitz | [20:37] <oiaohm> People still don't get what google was really upto by wireless sniffing. | May 30 20:46 |
| schestowitz | I reckon they want to improve tracking of people | May 30 20:46 |
| cubezzz | I assume you mean South Korea, and no :) | May 30 20:46 |
| schestowitz | hardware based, not just cookie- and IP-based | May 30 20:46 |
| schestowitz | [20:45] <cubezzz> with Microsoft forcing cards into obsolescence Linux actually supports the most hardware | May 30 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Since long ago | May 30 20:46 |
| schestowitz | I have some good posts about that coming | May 30 20:47 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: re your question: dunno, but i think it would be generally a good idea to punish criminal companies | May 30 20:47 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: probably south when someone doesn't say which part | May 30 20:47 |
| schestowitz | North Korea is a scary mess | May 30 20:47 |
| MinceR | (then again, criminal states deserve punishment too) | May 30 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Seoul is super-advanced | May 30 20:47 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they did | May 30 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Twice last year | May 30 20:47 |
| schestowitz | But then the criminal comes with gifts | May 30 20:47 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: lot of makers are suporting interface standards for devices so the rate of obsolescence is slowing. Same with the numbers of new drivers Linux need to create. | May 30 20:48 |
| schestowitz | And they find corruptible men in suits who cave | May 30 20:48 |
| oiaohm | Basically the world is slowly turning standard at all levels. | May 30 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Korea found Microsoft guilty of abuse, then gave them contracts | May 30 20:48 |
| schestowitz | They are divided from within | May 30 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Friends of the 'enemy' and rational ones | May 30 20:48 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, more like "returning to standards" eh? | May 30 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Ones who think and are patriotic and those who leave the brain in a jar for a paycheck | May 30 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Same everywhere, EU and US too | May 30 20:49 |
| cubezzz | we used to have standardization in the 80s | May 30 20:49 |
| oiaohm | Not really. cubezzz | May 30 20:49 |
| oiaohm | Even in the 80's hardware was a mess. | May 30 20:49 |
| cubezzz | centronics printers, hayes modems, rs232... | May 30 20:49 |
| oiaohm | But the documentation to the hardware existed. So was not as big of nightmare. | May 30 20:49 |
| cubezzz | yeah | May 30 20:49 |
| oiaohm | Like most webcams today use the same driver. | May 30 20:50 |
| oiaohm | It saves cost. | May 30 20:51 |
| oiaohm | Only one problem under windows each one still need it own driver. | May 30 20:51 |
| cubezzz | well windows doesn't save anyone money | May 30 20:52 |
| cubezzz | not unless it's your job writing windows software | May 30 20:53 |
| cubezzz | then it's A-OK | May 30 20:53 |
| cubezzz | for that person | May 30 20:53 |
| oiaohm | And with Linux being embed in bios of stuff support both has become important to hardware guys. | May 30 20:53 |
| oiaohm | We still have some hold outs. | May 30 20:53 |
| oiaohm | Of all things printer companies. | May 30 20:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Application Menu (Global Menu) For Ubuntu Netbook Edition 10.10 Is Available For Testing http://ur1.ca/04fs1 | May 30 20:54 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Ubuntu Netbook 10.10 to be even more Maclike http://www.webupd8.org/2010/05/application-menu-global-menu-for-ubuntu.html | May 30 20:56 | |
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| DaemonFC | I'm on my old computer that failed last year :P | May 30 20:57 |
| cubezzz | if you don't exercise your brain it will not work well | May 30 20:57 |
| cubezzz | bah, I bet it's not even that old | May 30 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 30 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | Core 2 Duo E6320 (1.86 Ghz) | May 30 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | I overclocked it to 2.33 Ghz | May 30 20:58 |
| cubezzz | don't overclock if you want long lifespan | May 30 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | 4 GB of RAM, XFX Geforce 9500 GT 1 GB | May 30 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | 500 GB hard disk | May 30 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 Ultimate | May 30 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | and I'm listening to some AC/DC flacs I found in my Music folder | May 30 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 30 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | for some reason my system tray reconfigures the positions of all icons when I mouse over it | May 30 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | and the icons are all spaced out | May 30 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | O_O | May 30 21:00 |
| cubezzz | >> Windows 7 Ultimate | May 30 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | yes | May 30 21:01 |
| cubezzz | there's your problem right there | May 30 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | I have a modified SLIC in my BIOS image | May 30 21:02 |
| MinceR | even windows xp sometimes does random stuff if you mouse over the tray | May 30 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | it will activate any edition of Windows XP, Vista, 7, or Server 2003, 2008, or 2008R2 | May 30 21:02 |
| MinceR | that's just one of the things they've failed to implement properly | May 30 21:02 |
| cubezzz | Epson HX-20 ftw | May 30 21:03 |
| cubezzz | highly prized by collectors | May 30 21:03 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epson_HX-20 | May 30 21:03 |
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| cubezzz | 50 hours battery life | May 30 21:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Canonical Sells Proprietary Software Services Around #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/04fs4 http://ur1.ca/04fs5 | May 30 21:05 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Commonly Used as Base Distro, Brings GNU/Linux to "Mainstream" http://ur1.ca/043zx http://ur1.ca/049e3 | May 30 21:05 | |
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| MinceR | cute | May 30 21:06 |
| MinceR | but it looks more like a programmable calculator to me | May 30 21:07 |
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| DaemonFC | cubezzz: It's easy to overclock the Core 2 Duo | May 30 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | Intel sells them underclocked | May 30 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | everyone knows this | May 30 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | if they didn't, there'd be no "budget" CPUs | May 30 21:08 |
| MinceR | so intel's manufacturing produces too few faults? :> | May 30 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | to keep up with the demand for cheap CPUs | May 30 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | yes | May 30 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | they have to "create" a lot of low end CPUs or have that market go to AMD | May 30 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | AMD does the same thing for the same reason | May 30 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | neither of them like that there's a demand for cheap CPUs | May 30 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | they'd much rather sell you the ones that are $50-300 more expensive | May 30 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | so they cherry pick a lot of perfectly good CPUs and underclock them | May 30 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | they throw in enough that really can't run at the faster speed to create uncertainty as to whether you can get away with it or not | May 30 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | it's kind of a grab bag | May 30 21:11 |
| cubezzz | the successor to the HX-20: | May 30 21:12 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80_Model_100_line | May 30 21:12 |
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| cubezzz | probably easier to program than a zaurus in some ways | May 30 21:15 |
| oiaohm | It is supply and demard DaemonFC | May 30 21:17 |
| oiaohm | Its also the issue that if they lift the entry level speeds to a level they don't have 100 percent production dependablity they will end up with chips they have to recycle. | May 30 21:18 |
| oiaohm | It costs more to recycle a chip than make one. | May 30 21:18 |
| oiaohm | Even using them as road base. | May 30 21:19 |
| MinceR | http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/c9ib3/greenpeace_can_suck_my_ass_but_this_is_the_first/ | May 30 21:19 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.pcworld.com/article/197527/100_million_scareware_ceo_was_already_a_fugitive.html | May 30 21:22 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] *splutter* http://glasnost.us/~knifa/swinger/index.php/view/2787 | May 30 21:31 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @glynmoody Librarians Do Gaga - http://bit.ly/d43bsf seek and ye shall find #librarians #search @ladygaga | May 30 21:48 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right, looking to the next series of articles....Openshot gets a look, IMO its not mentioned enough and a very good package. #linux #foss | May 30 21:52 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Question - Where is the #Linux #demoscene ? Sure, demoparties are having a few Linux releases, but come on...the missing feature of Linux... | May 30 21:53 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @_Goblin it's the lack of powerful yet frustratingly limited hardware. | May 30 21:55 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] If it were to start up, I may even consider getting involved...Coding utils/apps? Nah! Demoscene is where its at! #linux #foss | May 30 21:55 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @_Goblin it's the lack of versatile yet frustratingly limited hardware. | May 30 21:56 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @davidgerard yeah, but the retro demo's where where the fun was.....bouncy scrolltext copperbars, ah the memories.... | May 30 21:56 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @davidgerard and I think creativity will shine through on Linux, which is what originally gave the scene its charm. | May 30 21:57 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @davidgerard Im probably feeling nostalgic since Im currently listening to Romeo Knights - Rise Up....the memories of happy times.... #linux | May 30 21:58 | |
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| schestowitz | This is a very interesting chat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoX8qwEIFKg&feature=digest | May 30 22:05 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] BP has a new logo: http://i.imgur.com/yO6jm.jpg | May 30 22:07 | |
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| DaemonFC | thinking about how best to repurpose this system | May 30 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | I may turn it into a Fedora box and give it to my mom | May 30 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | I always put Linux on anything I give to family | May 30 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | that way I don't hear them say that a virus wrecked everything a week later :P | May 30 22:42 |
| MinceR | gn | May 30 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | I learned from the mistake of giving Vista to my aunt | May 30 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | within a week, she managed to get malware on it that shut off Windows Update, Windows Firewall, and everything | May 30 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | I managed to get rid of the malware itself from within an Avira rescue disc | May 30 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | but Windows was permenantly damaged | May 30 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I say we dust off and nuke the site from orbit | May 30 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | it's the only way to be sure :) | May 30 22:44 |
| MinceR | indeed | May 30 22:44 |
| MinceR | windows update persuades me to turn it off anyway | May 30 22:45 |
| cubezzz | bah | May 30 22:45 |
| MinceR | though i'm not sure if they've tuned down the annoyance level in vista[7] | May 30 22:45 |
| MinceR | it practically makes winxp unusable | May 30 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | I run Windows and have since Windows 3.0 | May 30 22:45 |
| cubezzz | I never touch it, or even look at it | May 30 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | and I've come across two viruses | May 30 22:45 |
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| DaemonFC | one of which did a little damage before I contained it | May 30 22:45 |
| cubezzz | I don't recall many viruses on Amiga either | May 30 22:46 |
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| DaemonFC1 | grrrrr | May 30 22:46 |
| cubezzz | ha, you admit FC1 is the best :) | May 30 22:46 |
| DaemonFC1 | anyway, the malware I ran across wasn't a big deal | May 30 22:46 |
| *cubezzz chuckles | May 30 22:46 | |
| DaemonFC1 | it managed to destroy a new installation of XP | May 30 22:47 |
| DaemonFC1 | I think I was looking for a crack for something | May 30 22:47 |
| DaemonFC1 | I had the Windows 98 installer BSOD on me once | May 30 22:47 |
| DaemonFC1 | that was amusing | May 30 22:47 |
| DaemonFC1 | it failed before I even had it installed | May 30 22:47 |
| scientes | nice http://techrights.org/2010/05/30/google-in-god-mode/ | May 30 22:47 |
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| MinceR | i had the winxp installer BSOD on me before it could even boot | May 30 22:47 |
| MinceR | repeatedly | May 30 22:48 |
| DaemonFC1 | I liked Windows 2000 actually | May 30 22:48 |
| DaemonFC1 | Windows XP Professional X64 Edition wasn't bad either | May 30 22:48 |
| MinceR | i haven't seen a version of windows that didn't suck | May 30 22:48 |
| MinceR | a lot | May 30 22:48 |
| cubezzz | there isn't one | May 30 22:48 |
| DaemonFC1 | the only driver problem I encountered in XP x64, ever | May 30 22:49 |
| cubezzz | believe me, I've tried them all except windows 1.0 | May 30 22:49 |
| DaemonFC1 | was my MP3 player | May 30 22:49 |
| cubezzz | and I don't think that one was good | May 30 22:49 |
| DaemonFC1 | I had to switch it to MSC mode and tell Windows it was a hard disk | May 30 22:49 |
| DaemonFC1 | B-) | May 30 22:49 |
| cubezzz | just get the most obscure cpu and OS you can find that's open source | May 30 22:49 |
| cubezzz | then no one can attack you | May 30 22:50 |
| DaemonFC1 | MINIX on a Via C7? | May 30 22:50 |
| DaemonFC1 | no thank you | May 30 22:50 |
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| DaemonFC1 | yay | May 30 22:50 |
| DaemonFC1 | I'm dead | May 30 22:50 |
| *DaemonFC1 is now known as DaemonFC | May 30 22:50 | |
| DaemonFC | long live DaemonFC | May 30 22:50 |
| scientes | somehbow xchat's ignore funciton isn't working | May 30 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | yes I could have used ghost, but I'm lazy | May 30 22:51 |
| scientes | and its pissing me off | May 30 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | scientes: XChat only ever works well on Linux | May 30 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | even the Windows payware version has some odd bugs | May 30 22:51 |
| cubezzz | I think he is using Linux though | May 30 22:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Must be feeling a bit better. Beer tastes *niiice*. | May 30 22:51 | |
| DaemonFC | the dude that compiles the Windows freeware version only checks it out on XP | May 30 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | so it has some problems on Vista | May 30 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | and more problems on 7 | May 30 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | it's one of the programs I feel the least guilty about cracking | May 30 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | since it's a GPL violation on his part that necessitated the crack | May 30 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 30 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | but Opera has a perfectly fine IRC client | May 30 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | so I just use that | May 30 22:53 |
| MinceR | except for advanced features such as scripting | May 30 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | it's debatable whether the shareware XChat is a GPL violation | May 30 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | I personally think it's a hell of a violation | May 30 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | since he's linking the binary-only proprietary shareware enforcement code against GPL and LGPL libraries | May 30 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not a lawyer, but that sounds dodgy to me | May 30 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | I believe he's gotten away with it because other contributors haven't bothered to sue him for it | May 30 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | but it effectively ended XChat's ability to claim that it is a GPL compliant application | May 30 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | at least the Windows version | May 30 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | also it basically ended community involvement in developing it since nobody sane wants to donate labor that will be sold for other people's profit later | May 30 22:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Gets Rid of Another Microsoft Product http://ur1.ca/04g8r Microsoft says goodbye to Expression Media | May 30 22:56 | |
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| DaemonFC | this is an example of where the GPL utterly fails to protect end users | May 30 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | as surely as if it were all BSD licensed to begin with | May 30 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | obviously if something big and widely used had this happen, there would be hell to pay | May 30 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | think about if Linus Torvalds said "Linux is now shareware" | May 30 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | or better yet, it's only GPL for non-commercial use | May 30 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | that by definition it not possible | May 30 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | but "Zed" did just that | May 30 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | there's certain plug-ins in the official Windows XChat that aren't available to anyone else | May 30 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | Linux users of XChat included | May 30 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | like, I don't think that the Linux version of XChat has DCC64 support | May 30 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | so if you ever want to DCC send a file larger than 4 GB, it won't work | May 30 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 30 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | it's not a common use case for DCC, but the fact is that this guy is withholding features from a supposedly "Free" piece of software | May 30 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | scientes: Zed has the ethics and moral fiber of a sea snake | May 30 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | if you ask me | May 30 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | of course a lot of Linux users these days are using godawful IRC clients | May 30 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | like that XChat GNOME torture device | May 30 23:03 |
| malacoda | I used to use Pidgin for IRC | May 30 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu people are promoting the hell out of it | May 30 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is working on making it even more infuriating | May 30 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | by halfassedly integrating it with Indicator | May 30 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | Mandriva has this regression now too | May 30 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | XChat-GNOME is there in the default install | May 30 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | then there's IRSSI | May 30 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | for people that want to be all pretend badass and run their IRC client in the terminal | May 30 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | Mac users seem to like it now too | May 30 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | (It also runs on Windows via Cygwin) | May 30 23:06 |
| *DaemonFC groans | May 30 23:06 | |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: You ever notice this disease among certain people that see regression as progress? | May 30 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | that's IRSSI users | May 30 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | IRSSI is the IRC client of the future as much as BetaMAX is the future of home video :) | May 30 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | who was it that was chiding me for overclocking this CPU earlier? | May 30 23:09 |
| MinceR | you know, that's kind of rude to sea snakes | May 30 23:09 |
| MinceR | 000025 < DaemonFC> of course a lot of Linux users these days are using godawful IRC clients | May 30 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | once I overclocked this budget Geforce 6200LE that I had | May 30 23:09 |
| MinceR | hey, at least they aren't using mirc | May 30 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | jsut cause I wanted to mess it up bad before throwing it away | May 30 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | I managed to melt the fan and the fan housing onto the GPU itself | May 30 23:10 |
| MinceR | or m$ comic chat | May 30 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | GPU still worked until I loaded a game, then the whole system would crash | May 30 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 30 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: IRSSI is to Microsoft Comic Chat as Deepwater Horizons is to Exxon Valdez | May 30 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 30 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | you're comparing two horrible disasters | May 30 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | the only question is the size of each disaster | May 30 23:11 |
| MinceR | actually only one of them is a horrible disaster | May 30 23:11 |
| MinceR | the other is a pretty good TUI irc client | May 30 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | personally, I would rather use Comic Chat in Wine than IRSSI | May 30 23:12 |
| MinceR | that only says something about you | May 30 23:12 |
| malacoda | I actually did run mirc in wine once | May 30 23:12 |
| MinceR | not exactly flattering either | May 30 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Yes, Microsoft's attempt at taking the IRC standard and twisting it with a proprietary extension that frustrates anyone else | May 30 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | is anything new there? | May 30 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | btw, you can switch it to a standard IRC mode | May 30 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 30 23:12 |
| MinceR | "standard" | May 30 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | malacoda: Mirc runs, the scripting engine is all messed up though | May 30 23:13 |
| malacoda | I don't do mirc scripting :P | May 30 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | I think they still rated it "Platinum" in Wine AppDB though | May 30 23:13 |
| malacoda | i think the mirc scripting language is, frankly, garbage | May 30 23:13 |
| MinceR | but you're welcome to find another TUI IRC client with the features, scriptability, flexibility and comfortable command line of irssi | May 30 23:13 |
| MinceR | they rated steam in wine appdb, too, even though it doesn't get far | May 30 23:14 |
| MinceR | platinum, that is | May 30 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Yes, I know you can still get a lot done without a GUI | May 30 23:14 |
| MinceR | it installs, does some loading and then turns into an invisible window that crashes if it receives input | May 30 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | I made some Windows batch files to control MPG123 once | May 30 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | just for fun | May 30 23:14 |
| MinceR | even the tray icon appears for a moment | May 30 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 30 23:14 |
| MinceR | but that's not "platinum", that's "garbage" | May 30 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | Steam works | May 30 23:15 |
| MinceR | no it does not work | May 30 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | but it's temperamental sometimes | May 30 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | if you're running Compiz, you're in even more trouble | May 30 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 30 23:15 |
| MinceR | i'm running kde4 | May 30 23:15 |
| MinceR | compiz is trouble by itself | May 30 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | yes, Compiz really really pisses ATI's FGLRX off | May 30 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | big time | May 30 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | Kwin compositor not so much | May 30 23:16 |
| MinceR | compiz also likes to crash x on nvidia | May 30 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | I tried running Oblivion in Wine on the latest GIT build of Mesa earlier | May 30 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | it runs, it renders correctly even, but it's dog slow | May 30 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | if you use FGLRX, it's fast rendering and too much texture corruption to play it | May 30 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 30 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia has played Oblivion on Wine since at least 2006 | May 30 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | it's not up to speed with Windows, but it's playable and there's no garbage rendered to the screen | May 30 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | FGLRX is by far the most backwards driver I've ever seen | May 30 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | it really pisses me off because my GPU is pretty fast but the driver won't let it perform as well as the hardware is capable of | May 30 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | not by a long shot | May 30 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | I have a feeling that Mesa 8.0 will totally destroy any reason left to use FGLRX | May 30 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | right now though the Windows drivers for RadeonHD cards are eating FGLRX for breakfast | May 30 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | and that's before you even try to load something in Wine | May 30 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | there's really not that much difference between Nvidia's Windows and Linux driver performance at all | May 30 23:24 |
| *WireWulf-away is now known as WireWulf | May 30 23:29 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Robotics Chief Tandy Trower Left #Microsoft , Entryism Still Eyed at Cisco, AOL http://ur1.ca/04gdp #linux #mobile | May 30 23:34 | |
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| WireWulf | M$ is falling into the darkness | May 30 23:35 |
| WireWulf | YAY | May 30 23:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Teaching Freda about grues. A most useful method of child control. | May 30 23:41 | |
| DaemonFC | I need to go find my spare parts so I can turn this system into something good enough to stuff in the bedroom | May 30 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | this really pisses me off though | May 30 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | I finally get this one working after I spent $900 on a new one | May 30 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | and I don't even know what I did differently this time | May 30 23:42 |
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| DaemonFC | hmmmm, I could grab a DVI to HDMI cable and hook it up to my TV :) | May 30 23:43 |
| WireWulf | Woo | May 30 23:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just donated to a developer who makes a great bit of free software. Hope he carries on developing. | May 30 23:50 | |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: refresh my memory | May 30 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | can you do HD over coaxial from a descrambler box? | May 30 23:55 |
| cubezzz | I wouldn't know | May 30 23:57 |
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| DaemonFC | cubezzz: I had this idea | May 30 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | since I want to use my TV as a monitor for this older system | May 30 23:58 |
| cubezzz | there's nothing worth descrambling really | May 30 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | and I have a tuner card in the PC | May 30 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | I could hook it up to watch TV in a window on my desktop on my TV | May 30 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 30 23:58 |
| cubezzz | get an pchdtv card | May 30 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I'm not rich | May 30 23:58 |
| cubezzz | it's not that expensive | May 30 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, if I have to spend anything else in the next 4 days other than food, I'm screwed | May 30 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 30 23:59 |
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