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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@ChicaLolita Seriously, #BP? u call in James Cameron,dir of Titanic+Avatar /& The Abyss! +he already stopped #deforestation in Sth America! | Jun 02 00:13 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin: LOL It's based on the Dead Kennedy's "I fought the law and won" (Little white Danny and the Hot Potatoes). Let's kick some DFS :-p | Jun 02 00:14 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@kthalps US clearly on 1 side only RT @richardgoldberg @kthalps Both sides //is no 'both sides' on this atrocity, or blockade. Both wrong. | Jun 02 00:15 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] @_Goblin Did you listen to Tom's song about trying to play a song on his computer? It's hilarious. | Jun 02 00:17 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Diaspora - Will you be joining? I certainly will. http://www.joindiaspora.com/project.html #foss #free #facebook | Jun 02 00:17 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Follow Diaspora - @joindiaspora today! #foss #free #facebook | Jun 02 00:19 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst Yeah its great track (and a coincidence I played it since I had only recently linked the original on my Twitter account!) | Jun 02 00:19 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @_the_mad_hatter Not yet....I'll hopefully have more time to spend with his work wednesday, its great stuff! | Jun 02 00:22 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin: This is what I have to say about Diaspora: http://tinyurl.com/2usb423 VAPORWARE! | Jun 02 00:27 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst Very interesting article...Since its late here I will give it attention on Wednesday... Night! | Jun 02 00:42 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Good night all, "Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast" | Jun 02 00:42 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin: Good night! | Jun 02 00:49 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @codepinkalert #Obama says #Israel is "best positioned" to conduct the investigation //& I am sure Israel agrees! Well, that settles it! | Jun 02 00:53 | |
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DaemonFC | :P | Jun 02 00:54 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @Symbolman @Token12ga @analizethis: Why r we always killing Al-Qaida's "No.3" guy? http://bit.ly/9bAtpm //bc nobody knows his name.->1984 | Jun 02 01:05 | |
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DaemonFC | http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sc-dc-court-miranda-20100601,0,6330569.story | Jun 02 01:22 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @ronaldjackson Clinton Urges 'Caution' re #Gaza #Flotilla Raid-Forgot To Caution #Israel Before ITS Attack http://twurl.nl/ab8k34 | Jun 02 01:24 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Obama's failure to deal with #Israel is a bonfire of political capital. His bosses regard him as dispensable. #Murdoch will deliver plan B. | Jun 02 02:00 | |
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Chips_B_Malroy | Has anybody seen this: http://www.firebirdnews.org/?p=4455 | Jun 02 02:03 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | and the link from within that: http://sourceforge.net/downloads/firebird/stats_os?dates=2010-01-01%20to%202010-05-31 | Jun 02 02:04 |
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yuhong | Hopefully you already have seen the articles about how Google is moving away from Windows. | Jun 02 02:05 |
yuhong | http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/31/google-windows/ | Jun 02 02:05 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | yes, but this is different | Jun 02 02:05 |
Chips_B_Malroy | this shows firebird downloads by OS for Brazil in a pie chart, with Linux the big winner over windows | Jun 02 02:06 |
yuhong | Yes. | Jun 02 02:07 |
Chips_B_Malroy | more proof that Linux is not small | Jun 02 02:07 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@ttcupdates nervous at spadina stn. 2 constables guarding what appeared abandoned luggage. // it's #Toronto, not Baghdad. Chill. Less #TV! | Jun 02 02:07 | |
Chips_B_Malroy | http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2010/06/steve_ballmer_is_driving_micro.php | Jun 02 02:07 |
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cubezzz | firebird? :) | Jun 02 02:07 |
yuhong | Off-topic, but on PR 2.0 experts, I am a fan of Brian Solis of FutureWorks. | Jun 02 02:08 |
cubezzz | why does Ballmer always stick out his tongue? | Jun 02 02:08 |
yuhong | I don't read his blog a lot, though. | Jun 02 02:08 |
DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJhlD6q71YA&feature=related | Jun 02 02:09 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | quote from the last link: "Gassee says there is a joke familiar to most businesspeople. The departing CEO meets his successor and hands him three envelopes to be opened in the prescribed order when trouble strikes. First crisis, the message in envelope #1 says: Blame your predecessor. Easy enough. Another storm, the the CEO opens the second envelope: Reorganize. Good idea. And when calamity strikes yet again, | Jun 02 02:09 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Ballmer, he says post-executive firing, just opened the second envelope. Meaning the next one he touches will mean he's out of a job." | Jun 02 02:10 |
cubezzz | I bet all the big wigs are selling their stock like crazy | Jun 02 02:11 |
cubezzz | cash out while you still can | Jun 02 02:11 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] PM #Harper: Can you explain why, as a long-suspected war criminal, Netanyahu was allowed to enter #Canada and avoid arrest? #cdnpoli #israel | Jun 02 02:12 | |
cubezzz | actually a lot of stocks are down today | Jun 02 02:12 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@sarahpalinusa you better start thanking 'greenies' for food you eat, water you drink, & air you breathe. you can't breathe money, honey | Jun 02 02:13 | |
Chips_B_Malroy | Bach should have been fired back when MS became aware of the Xbox360 failures, or when MS set aside 1.25 Billion for repairs. If you believe some of the posters at Mini MSFT, Bach and Ballmer where good friends, is why he stayed. But prehaps, the decision was Ballmers, and Gates to keep cranking out faulty Xboxes and not the fault of Bach at all. | Jun 02 02:13 |
cubezzz | they never make anything good | Jun 02 02:15 |
cubezzz | just "good enough" and in the case of xbox not even that | Jun 02 02:15 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | Gates (and his foundation) ownes 40 Billion dollars of MS stock, about 8% of the stock. Ballmer is worth 14 billion currently, guessing its mostly MS stock as well. So between Gates and Ballmer, they control between 10 to 11% of the stock. Its no wonder the stockholders cannot get rid of Ballmer. And then there are other major shareholders that started with Gates. No telling where Allen is on this. | Jun 02 02:17 |
cubezzz | I think Paul Allen got rid of most/all of his shares | Jun 02 02:18 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Still, the perception of failure of Ballmer is complete now that Apple has surpassed MS worth, and HP has bought Palm WebOS as a tablet OS. | Jun 02 02:19 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Apple has surpassing MS worth has been a wake up call to stockholders that MS is declining as an investment. This is what forced Ballmer to fire (ok, they resigned) these two. | Jun 02 02:21 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Not to mention, that while courier and slate are MS failures, Ipad is selling and Android is gaining in leaps and bounds. | Jun 02 02:22 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Xbox360 Natal, Kin, and WinPhone7 are already shaping up to be more Ballmer failures. | Jun 02 02:23 |
Chips_B_Malroy | <cubezzz> I think Paul Allen got rid of most/all of his shares" I think so too | Jun 02 02:24 |
cubezzz | it would be interesting to look at MSFT's share price over the last 10 years | Jun 02 02:26 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | <cubezzz> it would be interesting to look at MSFT's share price over the last 10 years" Ed Bott, the MS free laptop reciprent did just that at ZDNet. | Jun 02 02:27 |
cubezzz | ah :) | Jun 02 02:28 |
Chips_B_Malroy | But I think the stock is going suffer more now than it has, its about the preciption that MS has been surpassed | Jun 02 02:28 |
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cubezzz | something bad must have happened, looks like tech stocks are down | Jun 02 02:28 |
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cubezzz | hard to understand why Apple is doing so well... good marketing I guess | Jun 02 02:29 |
Chips_B_Malroy | The Euro thing with Greece and Spain right now is driving down the stocks | Jun 02 02:29 |
cubezzz | ah right | Jun 02 02:29 |
DaemonFC | it's great that doctors don't care about their patients | Jun 02 02:34 |
DaemonFC | I can't get in to see the doctor until August and I have 4 days worth of medication left | Jun 02 02:34 |
DaemonFC | and I'm supposed to listen about the long lines in Canada? | Jun 02 02:35 |
Chips_B_Malroy | <cubezzz> hard to understand why Apple is doing so well" Is it really that hard? Mac OS X is basically BSD underneath, so a close cousin in some ways to Linux. As such Linux, BSD, and Mac OS X do not have all the malware problems of Windows. | Jun 02 02:35 |
DaemonFC | the only other choice is go back to my old doctor who is a total quack | Jun 02 02:35 |
DaemonFC | and that's why he has appointments open | Jun 02 02:35 |
cubezzz | eh? | Jun 02 02:35 |
cubezzz | what are you talking about DaemonFC? | Jun 02 02:35 |
DaemonFC | the place I was going to won't see me now that I have insurance | Jun 02 02:36 |
cubezzz | oh I see :) | Jun 02 02:36 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> I can't get in to see the doctor until August and I have 4 days worth of medication left" Go to your Pharmacist, and ask them to call your doctor and explain and ask for renewal | Jun 02 02:36 |
cubezzz | well that sucks | Jun 02 02:36 |
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DaemonFC | so I can either wait til August to be a new patient at a competent doctor, or I can go see the old family doctor I used to go to who is a mnoron | Jun 02 02:36 |
DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, The clinic I was going to is being run under the license of the idiot | Jun 02 02:37 |
DaemonFC | he never actually goes in there, it's just on paper | Jun 02 02:37 |
Chips_B_Malroy | ok | Jun 02 02:37 |
DaemonFC | there's a nurse practitioner that runs the place that is quite intelligent | Jun 02 02:37 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jun 02 02:37 |
cubezzz | I'd never buy Apple | Jun 02 02:40 |
cubezzz | it's programmer unfriendly | Jun 02 02:40 |
DaemonFC | it's just a PC | Jun 02 02:40 |
cubezzz | a closed source OS? no thank you | Jun 02 02:40 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Stood in Trader Joe's, this place is like a feeding frenzy, it is as if these people think currency will suddenly stop working tomorrow. | Jun 02 02:41 | |
DaemonFC | EFI was the only difference and most Intel motherboards for PCs are going EFI | Jun 02 02:41 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2010/06/01/businessinsider-steve-ballmer-microsoft-products-2010-6.DTL | Jun 02 02:41 |
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DaemonFC | the only thing that makes a Mac any difference is some DRM | Jun 02 02:41 |
DaemonFC | that tells OS X it's OK to run | Jun 02 02:41 |
cubezzz | yeah I don't want EFI either | Jun 02 02:41 |
DaemonFC | actually, there's an EFI firmware out now for my old Intel PC | Jun 02 02:42 |
DaemonFC | I never felt inclined to get rid of the BIOS though | Jun 02 02:42 |
yuhong | I know, once it was the Mac ROMs back before the iMac. | Jun 02 02:42 |
oiaohm | EFI does cure quite a few problems. | Jun 02 02:42 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Does Apple actually make any Mac computers, or are they all designed by Apple and made by Foxconn? | Jun 02 02:42 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm, it also causes some | Jun 02 02:42 |
oiaohm | EFI you can still load a standard bios ontop of. DaemonFC | Jun 02 02:43 |
cubezzz | a locked down cryptographically signed BIOS? no thanks :) | Jun 02 02:43 |
yuhong | Classic Mac OS was basically resources and patches and extensions to be loaded on top of that ROM. | Jun 02 02:43 |
cubezzz | you know where that goes | Jun 02 02:43 |
DaemonFC | I don't want Intel's kracken as the bootloader of my PC | Jun 02 02:43 |
DaemonFC | :P | Jun 02 02:43 |
cubezzz | then you need an eprom programmer to counter that | Jun 02 02:43 |
oiaohm | Big thing EFI removes the old bios init device OS resets it cycle. | Jun 02 02:43 |
yuhong | It got moved to disk with NewWorld introduced with the iMac. | Jun 02 02:44 |
oiaohm | So allowing faster start times than a tranditional bios. | Jun 02 02:44 |
DaemonFC | http://www.ztsystems.com/ | Jun 02 02:44 |
DaemonFC | that's who I bought this PC from | Jun 02 02:45 |
cubezzz | that intel board that coreboot supports? signed bios | Jun 02 02:45 |
cubezzz | it will not flash an unsigned bios | Jun 02 02:45 |
yuhong | Don't confuse astroturfing with social media monitors. | Jun 02 02:46 |
yuhong | signed BIOS I think are different from EFI. | Jun 02 02:46 |
yuhong | Don't confuse astroturfing with social media monitoring. | Jun 02 02:46 |
yuhong | The former is bad, the latter is not. | Jun 02 02:46 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] i'm standing in the street. I tell a kid to stop walking. He doesn't. I shoot him in back but I'm innocent bc I told him 1st = #israel #rwnj | Jun 02 02:47 | |
cubezzz | you might not realize you bios is locked down until after you buy your motherboard | Jun 02 02:47 |
cubezzz | of course you can always buy an old board | Jun 02 02:47 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] BP's real Junk Shot http://ur1.ca/04vu9 | Jun 02 02:47 | |
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yuhong | locked-down BIOSes I think is different from EFI, though. | Jun 02 02:48 |
cubezzz | EFI, an intel invention? :) | Jun 02 02:48 |
cubezzz | hard to avoid intel | Jun 02 02:48 |
oiaohm | EFI can intergrate with TPM | Jun 02 02:49 |
oiaohm | Making system a complete ass to crack. | Jun 02 02:49 |
cubezzz | keep your old boards I think | Jun 02 02:49 |
Diablo-D3 | TPM isnt nearly as bad as people say it is | Jun 02 02:49 |
Diablo-D3 | it _can_ be used for security | Jun 02 02:50 |
oiaohm | But TPM can e done with a standard old school bios. | Jun 02 02:50 |
Diablo-D3 | actual security | Jun 02 02:50 |
Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: yes and no | Jun 02 02:50 |
Diablo-D3 | the bios has to have a payload that starts a hypervsior that CANNOT be subverted | Jun 02 02:50 |
Diablo-D3 | which is somewhat difficult on x86-64 | Jun 02 02:50 |
oiaohm | Not really. The simplest is embed in the ide controller. | Jun 02 02:51 |
yuhong | There are plenty of uses for social media monitoring. | Jun 02 02:51 |
Chips_B_Malroy | How do you spell MS failure? When MS releases a new product, Kin, and now Best buy slashes the price $50, because its most likely not selling? http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/208503.asp?from=blog_last3 | Jun 02 02:51 |
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yuhong | Many of which is ethical. | Jun 02 02:51 |
Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: thats not what I mean | Jun 02 02:51 |
cubezzz | yeah, I really don't want to be monitored | Jun 02 02:51 |
Diablo-D3 | TPM can be used to, say, force binary signatures | Jun 02 02:51 |
Diablo-D3 | using encrypted binaries | Jun 02 02:52 |
Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/will-best-buys-kin-price-cuts-be-what-the-doctor-ordered/6391 | Jun 02 02:52 |
oiaohm | Some bioses with TPM does the start up signatures that way. | Jun 02 02:52 |
Techrights | Title: Will Best Buy's Kin price cuts be what the doctor ordered? | ZDNet .::. Size~: 105.27 KB | Jun 02 02:52 |
cubezzz | gov doesn't have to know everything about me | Jun 02 02:52 |
oiaohm | Best way to make a hypervisor the cpu cannot break don't give it to the cpu in the first place. | Jun 02 02:52 |
cubezzz | it's unnecessary | Jun 02 02:52 |
Chips_B_Malroy | "Microsoft's presence in the mobile social media sector, aren't quite living up to expectations. Best Buy now has slashed the Kin One and Kin Two prices by $50." | Jun 02 02:52 |
yuhong | EFI was created before TPM, in fact. | Jun 02 02:52 |
Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: theoretically yes | Jun 02 02:53 |
Diablo-D3 | but running everything in a purely emulated environment sucks | Jun 02 02:53 |
Diablo-D3 | you _can_ code snoop though | Jun 02 02:53 |
oiaohm | More than theory. | Jun 02 02:53 |
Diablo-D3 | require the OS to use the no exec bit, and refuse to execute pages that are not exec | Jun 02 02:53 |
Diablo-D3 | then decrypt the pages in the TPM module and then actually execute | Jun 02 02:53 |
cubezzz | I don't need TPM | Jun 02 02:54 |
Diablo-D3 | ie, all your binaries have been encrypted, not merely signed | Jun 02 02:54 |
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cubezzz | they would just try to cut out Linux for banking and stuff | Jun 02 02:55 |
cubezzz | "you're OS is uncertified" blam | Jun 02 02:55 |
Diablo-D3 | we're not talking about that | Jun 02 02:55 |
Diablo-D3 | TPM does literally what it says | Jun 02 02:56 |
Diablo-D3 | its just a trust enforcing mechanism | Jun 02 02:56 |
Diablo-D3 | if fags do faggoty things with it, you blame the fags | Jun 02 02:56 |
Diablo-D3 | the rest of us are very interested in using it as "hack proof" platforms | Jun 02 02:56 |
cubezzz | it's already out isn't it? | Jun 02 02:56 |
Diablo-D3 | not in a useful form, no | Jun 02 02:56 |
Diablo-D3 | no one is shipping anything that can use it as how I described | Jun 02 02:57 |
Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.windowsitpro.com/article/commentary/Moment-of-Truth-Time-Microsoft.aspx | Jun 02 02:57 |
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cubezzz | well, I'd still like to mod my bios | Jun 02 02:58 |
Chips_B_Malroy | "First, Robbie Bach and J. Allard were forced out of Microsoft. It's possible you're not all that familiar with these people, who reigned over Microsoft's Entertainment & Devices division. Suffice to say they're directly responsible for the software giant's failure in the consumer electronics market over the past decade. In fact, their actions and decisions are so suspect that analyst Rob Enderle actually suggested | Jun 02 02:58 |
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cubezzz | so far, nothing really bad has happened | Jun 02 03:01 |
cubezzz | I did my taxes on Linux, banking on Linux | Jun 02 03:02 |
cubezzz | pretty much off the Microsoft yoke now | Jun 02 03:02 |
cubezzz | Microsoft can burn :) | Jun 02 03:04 |
Chips_B_Malroy | <cubezzz> Microsoft can burn :)" Still its fun to watch the MS ship go down | Jun 02 03:07 |
cubezzz | well I can remember before Microsoft, sort of | Jun 02 03:08 |
Chips_B_Malroy | After the last round of MS high level firings, who is left from the Gates days? Sinofsky and Ray Ozzie is about all I can think of. All the posts about Ballmer now is that he needs to leave. | Jun 02 03:08 |
cubezzz | computers were a lot more fun | Jun 02 03:08 |
cubezzz | more hobbyist programmers in the early PC days | Jun 02 03:09 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I do not expect Ballmer to remain at MS past this year, even with all the voting stock he and Gates control | Jun 02 03:09 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Ballmer has messed up too much | Jun 02 03:10 |
cubezzz | they had their time at the top | Jun 02 03:10 |
cubezzz | happens to every company | Jun 02 03:10 |
Chips_B_Malroy | the question is, who will replace him? sadly, it will be someone more compedent | Jun 02 03:10 |
Chips_B_Malroy | as anyone would be | Jun 02 03:11 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Myself, I would prefer to see Ballmer as Captain go down with the Ship. | Jun 02 03:12 |
Chips_B_Malroy | All those Ipads being sold, $500, must be cutting into Windows laptops sales, as those are about the same price. | Jun 02 03:13 |
cubezzz | yeah must be | Jun 02 03:13 |
cubezzz | I don't think the Big M is raking in the bucks on laptop sales in any case | Jun 02 03:14 |
Chips_B_Malroy | In fact I know one lady, with an infected XP laptop, that bought an Vista Laptop, and now bought an Ipad | Jun 02 03:14 |
Chips_B_Malroy | probably her Vista laptop was infected too | Jun 02 03:14 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @drgrist Griffin (6) came home from school today singing "Yoda" by @alyankovic. WTF? // your kids, always with the awesome | Jun 02 03:15 | |
cubezzz | maybe a big Amiga comeback is just around the corner :) | Jun 02 03:15 |
Chips_B_Malroy | The MS press bloggers always spin it that the Ipad will cannabalise Mac computer sales, but I don't see it that way. As the price is differnet and the function too. What I see is its more attractive to windows users to escape the malware problems, and priced to compete with $500 windows laptops as well. | Jun 02 03:17 |
cubezzz | there's probably not a lot of bad guys attacking 68030's | Jun 02 03:18 |
Chips_B_Malroy | A million a month is hurting someone, most likely the MS OEM's | Jun 02 03:18 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Motorolia? | Jun 02 03:18 |
cubezzz | yes | Jun 02 03:19 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Ipad is ARM | Jun 02 03:19 |
cubezzz | too expensive though | Jun 02 03:20 |
Chips_B_Malroy | way | Jun 02 03:20 |
cubezzz | $225 gets you a NOS amiga 1200 :) | Jun 02 03:21 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I would go for one of those ultracheap $100 android tablets on Ebay before an Ipad, even with the two hour battery | Jun 02 03:21 |
Chips_B_Malroy | wait awhile, the price will come down | Jun 02 03:21 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Kin1 is now free at Best Buy=failure to sell | Jun 02 03:22 |
cubezzz | I don't like anything I see in retail stores for computer | Jun 02 03:22 |
Chips_B_Malroy | only after one month | Jun 02 03:23 |
cubezzz | well, if they can't sell they'll end up on ebay probably | Jun 02 03:24 |
cubezzz | I have fun bugging the young ones in Staples | Jun 02 03:24 |
cubezzz | "Which scanners are Linux compatible?" | Jun 02 03:25 |
cubezzz | it's like I got two heads | Jun 02 03:25 |
Chips_B_Malroy | My thought is Robbie Bach, probably was not the guy that messed up the xbox360, that Ballmer made the decision to go with it with the overheating problems. For this reason he could not fire Bach at that time and had to wait for now. Or the truth would come out. | Jun 02 03:25 |
cubezzz | I never did have much enthusiasm for Microsoft | Jun 02 03:29 |
cubezzz | Amiga was cool though | Jun 02 03:29 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I see that MS proxy was suing torrents downloaders in one of the Baltic states, from one of Roy's posts few days back | Jun 02 03:29 |
Chips_B_Malroy | for sharing windows os | Jun 02 03:29 |
Chips_B_Malroy | what this is a validation of the claim that MS will get around to sueing indiviual windows users like the RIAA does to music users. In fact, at some point I expect MS to go further as the cash cows die off | Jun 02 03:30 |
Chips_B_Malroy | they will use WGA to sue | Jun 02 03:31 |
Chips_B_Malroy | its only a matter of time | Jun 02 03:31 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Their racketeering knows no bounds | Jun 02 03:32 |
cubezzz | I actually have one legit XP install | Jun 02 03:33 |
cubezzz | but even so, this stupid authentication thing keeps popping up | Jun 02 03:33 |
Chips_B_Malroy | WGA | Jun 02 03:33 |
cubezzz | yeah | Jun 02 03:33 |
Chips_B_Malroy | you can google for ways to remove it, as the latest WG | Jun 02 03:34 |
Chips_B_Malroy | WGA removes differently, if at all | Jun 02 03:34 |
cubezzz | there's the odd flash thing that doesn't work right on Linux | Jun 02 03:35 |
cubezzz | that's why i keep this one XP install | Jun 02 03:35 |
cubezzz | oh, and my transparency adapter for slides | Jun 02 03:35 |
cubezzz | never did get that to work under Linux, more's the pity | Jun 02 03:36 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I recently fixed an legit XP laptop that would not boot up, so infected with 4 rootkits, 1 usb viruse, many many viruse/trojans etc. and of course WGA which I left intact | Jun 02 03:36 |
cubezzz | yeah that's why I said computers used to be more fun | Jun 02 03:37 |
Chips_B_Malroy | but I did research how to remove the latest WGA because I suspected that it might be part of the problem of some of the BSOD | Jun 02 03:37 |
Chips_B_Malroy | MS pretty much killed off the fun of computers | Jun 02 03:38 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Dos was not so bad, but windows, I could see the MS lockin coming, that and MS Office | Jun 02 03:38 |
Chips_B_Malroy | windows was the tool to kill all the competition for Gates | Jun 02 03:39 |
Chips_B_Malroy | he could not do that with just Dos | Jun 02 03:39 |
cubezzz | they attacked DR DOS also | Jun 02 03:40 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yes, and Stac, and Word Perfect, Lotus, Netscape, Corel, | Jun 02 03:41 |
Chips_B_Malroy | to name a few | Jun 02 03:41 |
Chips_B_Malroy | BeOS | Jun 02 03:41 |
Chips_B_Malroy | OS/2 | Jun 02 03:41 |
Chips_B_Malroy | theres greedy, and then theres evil | Jun 02 03:42 |
cubezzz | Haiku's not bad | Jun 02 03:42 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Jun 02 03:42 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I have it in a VM | Jun 02 03:42 |
cubezzz | oh yeah they are predators, no question | Jun 02 03:42 |
Chips_B_Malroy | virtualbox | Jun 02 03:42 |
Chips_B_Malroy | the world will be a better place without M$ | Jun 02 03:43 |
Chips_B_Malroy | <cubezzz> so did you decide what kind of computer to buy/build? | Jun 02 03:45 |
cubezzz | I'm just waiting for my board to arrive | Jun 02 03:45 |
cubezzz | basically yeah | Jun 02 03:45 |
cubezzz | Tyan S1846 with Slot 1, P3 450 with coreboot + seabios | Jun 02 03:45 |
cubezzz | for starters | Jun 02 03:46 |
cubezzz | open radeon driver and gnash :) | Jun 02 03:46 |
Chips_B_Malroy | myself I am basically AMD/ATI | Jun 02 03:46 |
cubezzz | Slot 1 was good | Jun 02 03:47 |
cubezzz | edge connector, so no bent pins | Jun 02 03:47 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Intel | Jun 02 03:47 |
Chips_B_Malroy | dual cpu's? or is that Tyan Tiger boards? | Jun 02 03:47 |
cubezzz | no not dual | Jun 02 03:47 |
cubezzz | this box I'm on now is dual 550 | Jun 02 03:48 |
cubezzz | but not coreboot supported... yet | Jun 02 03:48 |
cubezzz | this one is S1832DL Tiger 100 | Jun 02 03:49 |
cubezzz | 256K flash | Jun 02 03:49 |
cubezzz | I can't really mess around with it though, it's my server | Jun 02 03:50 |
cubezzz | hence the Tyan S1846 board | Jun 02 03:50 |
Chips_B_Malroy | most users will not need to much more than that. unless you play games, rip video, or maybe play flash. | Jun 02 03:51 |
Chips_B_Malroy | or need to run vista/2 | Jun 02 03:51 |
cubezzz | you can do video with 33 mhz with the right support chips | Jun 02 03:51 |
Chips_B_Malroy | but can't think of any reason to run vista/2 | Jun 02 03:51 |
cubezzz | tivo has a 33 mhz cpu | Jun 02 03:51 |
Chips_B_Malroy | my older laptop is a P3 700mhz with 256 mb ram, and its fine for doing almost everything but ripping or some games, but games on linux seem to work. Some windows games on wine woud be too slow of course | Jun 02 03:53 |
Chips_B_Malroy | few people are gamers | Jun 02 03:54 |
Chips_B_Malroy | more rip than play games, I think | Jun 02 03:54 |
cubezzz | oh I play games too | Jun 02 03:54 |
cubezzz | old Loki and LGP games | Jun 02 03:54 |
cubezzz | even did some modding | Jun 02 03:54 |
Chips_B_Malroy | those should work | Jun 02 03:55 |
Chips_B_Malroy | games like Civ 4 will not | Jun 02 03:55 |
cubezzz | mostly I just play Majesty Gold and RT2 | Jun 02 03:55 |
Chips_B_Malroy | it will work in wine, but too slow on P3 | Jun 02 03:55 |
cubezzz | when you get older it's hard to find the time | Jun 02 03:55 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I know, I am there | Jun 02 03:56 |
Chips_B_Malroy | The effect of the Ipad cannot be underated. | Jun 02 03:57 |
cubezzz | there was this VIA board that was uber good at video | Jun 02 03:58 |
cubezzz | built-in mpeg2 decoding | Jun 02 03:58 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Apple selling 2 million in 2 months. Expect the greed to escalate here, and Apple will come out with more ARM Ipad like tablets and smartbooks to compete with the price structure of windows full laptops. | Jun 02 03:58 |
Chips_B_Malroy | But Android/Chrome/Linux ARM soon too will come out cutting off the legs of windows laptop pricing. | Jun 02 03:59 |
Chips_B_Malroy | and Ipad like gadgets | Jun 02 03:59 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I dislike VIA | Jun 02 04:00 |
cubezzz | why is that? | Jun 02 04:00 |
Chips_B_Malroy | for their USB 2.0 early problems, I ran into that | Jun 02 04:00 |
cubezzz | just put a NEC USB 2.0 card in :) | Jun 02 04:01 |
cubezzz | works great | Jun 02 04:01 |
Chips_B_Malroy | which was my evenuatal solution as well | Jun 02 04:01 |
Chips_B_Malroy | $7 solution on ebay | Jun 02 04:02 |
cubezzz | well the VIA board might be worth it to build a nice DVR box | Jun 02 04:02 |
cubezzz | I haven't seen too many boards that could do hardware assisted mpeg2 decoding | Jun 02 04:02 |
Chips_B_Malroy | there was also something about slowness of the VIA boards with the IO, being 1/2, but at least it worked ok | Jun 02 04:03 |
Chips_B_Malroy | on early ones | Jun 02 04:03 |
cubezzz | if I didn't care about open bios, I could just buy another Tougbook | Jun 02 04:04 |
cubezzz | it's open except for flash and the bios | Jun 02 04:05 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I really would like a Sparc laptop, but way too much | Jun 02 04:05 |
cubezzz | I saw one of those :) | Jun 02 04:06 |
cubezzz | cheap too... but very old | Jun 02 04:06 |
Chips_B_Malroy | well, I did not want old | Jun 02 04:06 |
Chips_B_Malroy | lol | Jun 02 04:06 |
Chips_B_Malroy | oddly enough, I would run linux on it, not solarious | Jun 02 04:07 |
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cubezzz | yeah but could you run KDE on it? | Jun 02 04:08 |
Chips_B_Malroy | sure, Debian | Jun 02 04:08 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I doubt if P3 would do a good job of KDE 4.x | Jun 02 04:08 |
Chips_B_Malroy | if at all | Jun 02 04:09 |
Chips_B_Malroy | KDE 3.5.10 maybe ok | Jun 02 04:09 |
cubezzz | yeah :) | Jun 02 04:09 |
cubezzz | I compiled my own KDE | Jun 02 04:09 |
cubezzz | I didn't even like KDE 4 on fast hardware | Jun 02 04:10 |
Chips_B_Malroy | somewhat disappointed with KDE 4.x on older hardware, as it seems to be a hog. But I guess the world moves on | Jun 02 04:10 |
Chips_B_Malroy | there were things I did not like about it on newer hardware too, but not that big a deal | Jun 02 04:11 |
cubezzz | I even archived 3.5.10 source | Jun 02 04:11 |
cubezzz | it's starting to disappear | Jun 02 04:12 |
Chips_B_Malroy | you should be able to get the Debian source disks somewhere for a very long time | Jun 02 04:12 |
Chips_B_Malroy | not sure about the other distros | Jun 02 04:12 |
Chips_B_Malroy | well, KDE 4.x will most likely continue to improve, that is the bright note there | Jun 02 04:14 |
Chips_B_Malroy | we can hope | Jun 02 04:14 |
Chips_B_Malroy | <cubezzz> you are a Red Hat user? sorry, i should say Fedora. | Jun 02 04:17 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] I wonder when US politicians are going to realize that negative attack TV ads on other candidates are utterly pathetic. Grow up, people. | Jun 02 04:24 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] New blog post: Major Loss For Microsoft - Google ... http://madhatter.ca/2010/06/01/major-loss-for-microsoft-google-bans-microsoft-windows/ | Jun 02 04:26 | |
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Chips_B_Malroy | it will be good to see the finished Chrome OS come out soon | Jun 02 04:35 |
Chips_B_Malroy | if the Ipad is selling 2 million in 2 months at $500 each, then greed will set in. | Jun 02 04:36 |
DaemonFC | I don't want a device that tells me what apps I can run | Jun 02 04:37 |
DaemonFC | and I don't care who makes it | Jun 02 04:37 |
Chips_B_Malroy | since the Ipad is running a modified MAC OS X for a ARM phone version similar to the Iphone. so as not to cannabalize the Macbooks, expect more Ipad devices to come out with and compete with windows midrange priced computers | Jun 02 04:38 |
Chips_B_Malroy | neither do I want one DaemonFC | Jun 02 04:39 |
Chips_B_Malroy | at some point I would expect Apple to come out with another OS that they can sell on regular windows pc's, that is not mac os x | Jun 02 04:40 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Jobs has to be very careful not to canabalize the Mac computers | Jun 02 04:40 |
Chips_B_Malroy | the Ipad could be the experiment in this | Jun 02 04:41 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] @_Goblin Another one for you - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQoWNG1Tyhg& | Jun 02 04:42 | |
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Chips_B_Malroy | Gates and Ballmer have let the malware problem go on too long, and Google/Linux, Apple, WebOS and others are about to carve them up | Jun 02 04:42 |
DaemonFC | I found some old MP3s I ripped in 1998 | Jun 02 04:43 |
sebsebseb | Nice one Google for dropping Wndows yep ;) | Jun 02 04:43 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] via @careabthealth // #4wordsbeforedeath: Get Off Our Boat! http://bit.ly/9q8B4m #freedomflotilla | Jun 02 04:47 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Oracle Said to Release New OpenSolaris, Add R Support http://ur1.ca/04wnb http://ur1.ca/04wnf | Jun 02 04:47 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] I wonder if we can get momentum against attack ads - join We Think Political Attack Ads Are Pathetic - http://bit.ly/8YQOKW - RT! | Jun 02 05:11 | |
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Chips_B_Malroy | been watching Earth Final | Jun 02 05:14 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Cpnflict | Jun 02 05:14 |
Chips_B_Malroy | *Conflict | Jun 02 05:14 |
cubezzz | yeah I use Fedora | Jun 02 05:14 |
cubezzz | mostly | Jun 02 05:14 |
Chips_B_Malroy | been a lot time since I used that | Jun 02 05:15 |
cubezzz | before that Red Hat 8, before that Darkstar 0.94 and before that Unix System V | Jun 02 05:16 |
cubezzz | and AmigaDos too | Jun 02 05:16 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Red Hat 5.2 was the first linux that I got to work with my dial up | Jun 02 05:16 |
Chips_B_Malroy | at the time I had 98 the first crappy version | Jun 02 05:17 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Red Hat screemed on the internet in comparision with 98A | Jun 02 05:17 |
Chips_B_Malroy | at the time, 98 was probably already infected badly with malware | Jun 02 05:18 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I was very impressed with Red Hat back in those days, even bought a version later when the boxed versions came out in COMPUSA | Jun 02 05:18 |
cubezzz | well I was using Minix but I had problems in the mid-90s | Jun 02 05:19 |
Chips_B_Malroy | early Mandrake was very good too | Jun 02 05:19 |
cubezzz | what hardware were you using with it? | Jun 02 05:19 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Walnut Creek in Flagstaff used to send me linux cd's every 6 months | Jun 02 05:19 |
Chips_B_Malroy | it might have been a P-60 | Jun 02 05:20 |
Chips_B_Malroy | or older 386DX | Jun 02 05:20 |
Chips_B_Malroy | my first pc was an 8088xt | Jun 02 05:21 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | running dos 3.21 | Jun 02 05:21 |
cubezzz | bah, modern :) | Jun 02 05:21 |
cubezzz | my first commodore was Commodore PET 2001 | Jun 02 05:22 |
cubezzz | or TRS-80 Model 1 | Jun 02 05:22 |
cubezzz | I think the PET was first though | Jun 02 05:22 |
Chips_B_Malroy | it only had 640kb of ram, but hey, nobody will ever need more than 640k | Jun 02 05:22 |
cubezzz | the PET had 8k of ram | Jun 02 05:22 |
Chips_B_Malroy | worked on a computer in college called the Bit480, as it only had 480 bits | Jun 02 05:23 |
cubezzz | of course really old guys would talk about BC | Jun 02 05:23 |
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cubezzz | wow, that is primitive | Jun 02 05:24 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA and Digital Economy Bill Seen as a Threat to European Freedom http://ur1.ca/04iqo http://ur1.ca/04wvn http://ur1.ca/04wvo | Jun 02 05:24 | |
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Chips_B_Malroy | The fatcats in Hollywood have so much wealth, and so much power to make our govs pass these obsence laws. It amazes me how congress and our Presidents (past and present) will sign in these IP protection laws, but can do nothing to pass or enforce immigration laws. | Jun 02 05:27 |
cubezzz | the earliest PCs I used had B&W TVs for the monitor | Jun 02 05:27 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | Mind you, I have nothing against the Mexicans, as most are good hard working folks. But they are exploited here by the corporations, as they are illegal many. Also they take away jobs of citizens too. | Jun 02 05:28 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Monochrome, then CGA | Jun 02 05:28 |
Chips_B_Malroy | later I got an paperwhite VGA | Jun 02 05:29 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | then VGA | Jun 02 05:29 |
cubezzz | well it was RCA cable monochrome | Jun 02 05:29 |
cubezzz | NTSC really | Jun 02 05:29 |
Chips_B_Malroy | had one of those too | Jun 02 05:29 |
cubezzz | re: CGA only on the IBM compatible side of course | Jun 02 05:29 |
Chips_B_Malroy | 4 colors CGA great for gaming | Jun 02 05:30 |
Chips_B_Malroy | back then | Jun 02 05:30 |
cubezzz | Amiga 500 was way better than CGA | Jun 02 05:30 |
Chips_B_Malroy | everything was most likely | Jun 02 05:30 |
parolang | Chips_B_Malroy: The banks have taken jobs from citizens. | Jun 02 05:31 |
Chips_B_Malroy | EGA=16 colors | Jun 02 05:31 |
cubezzz | we didn't use segmented addressing either :) | Jun 02 05:31 |
cubezzz | none of that 640K nonsense | Jun 02 05:31 |
Chips_B_Malroy | <parolang> Chips_B_Malroy: The banks have taken jobs from citizens." yes, you are right | Jun 02 05:31 |
parolang | Man...you guys are going way back. I remember CGA,EGA, and VGA was just awesome in comparison :) | Jun 02 05:31 |
parolang | Now we're just spoiled with graphics. | Jun 02 05:32 |
*parolang forgets what a pixel looks like. | Jun 02 05:32 | |
cubezzz | Commodore documented all their chips | Jun 02 05:32 |
cubezzz | we don't have that now | Jun 02 05:32 |
Chips_B_Malroy | <cubezzz> none of that 640K nonsense" that comment is many times attributed to Gates, but I have heard it attributed also to an IBM CEO as well | Jun 02 05:33 |
parolang | So you guys are all free software advocates? | Jun 02 05:33 |
cubezzz | pretty much | Jun 02 05:33 |
Chips_B_Malroy | they are some people I tell to go out and buy Vista Ultimate, but I don't really like them very much | Jun 02 05:34 |
cubezzz | 320x200 with 32 colours, re: Amiga 500 from a palette of 4096 | Jun 02 05:34 |
cubezzz | right :) | Jun 02 05:34 |
Chips_B_Malroy | well, really I don't tell them that | Jun 02 05:34 |
cubezzz | the big problem with 500,1200 was no MMU and wimpy power supply | Jun 02 05:35 |
DaemonFC | what did I miss? | Jun 02 05:35 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jun 02 05:35 |
DaemonFC | Taco Bell, yay! | Jun 02 05:35 |
parolang | I just looked at your blog...I don't think you have any "good" companies left :) | Jun 02 05:36 |
cubezzz | Chips_B_Malroy, you should get that sparc, even if it's just for desktop | Jun 02 05:36 |
parolang | Google is evil, Red Hat is evil, MS is evil, Apple is evil. | Jun 02 05:36 |
cubezzz | not my blog | Jun 02 05:36 |
DaemonFC | Red Hat isn't evil | Jun 02 05:37 |
DaemonFC | and without them, the development of the FOSS stack in Linux would be crippled | Jun 02 05:37 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I still like Google, they do a few things wrong, but mostly a good company | Jun 02 05:37 |
parolang | I agree, I generally favor Red Hat and Google over MS and Apple. | Jun 02 05:38 |
DaemonFC | Red Hat's not the cheapest place to do business with, but their customer satisfaction is high | Jun 02 05:38 |
DaemonFC | Novell is just running around saying how cheap they are | Jun 02 05:39 |
DaemonFC | and that they have the Microsoft deal | Jun 02 05:39 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Jobs seems to had gone to the dark side since he has come back from his sickness | Jun 02 05:39 |
parolang | And...when it comes down to it, Fedora is probably the freest mainstream gnu/linux distribution next to gNewsense. | Jun 02 05:39 |
DaemonFC | The only thing in Fedora that keeps FSF from recommending it is the binary firmware that's part of the Linux kernel | Jun 02 05:39 |
DaemonFC | and you do need that for many common deviced | Jun 02 05:39 |
parolang | I'm running Fedora now...it didn't even install the NVidia driver. | Jun 02 05:40 |
DaemonFC | *devices | Jun 02 05:40 |
DaemonFC | I don't think Fedora really wants to ship things they can't suppot | Jun 02 05:40 |
DaemonFC | it would be kind of self-defeating | Jun 02 05:40 |
cubezzz | heh, I'm on FC1 at the moment :) | Jun 02 05:40 |
cubezzz | I'm going radeon for video next | Jun 02 05:41 |
cubezzz | I like to see driver source code | Jun 02 05:41 |
Chips_B_Malroy | well, you can't go too wrong with Fedora or Debian | Jun 02 05:41 |
parolang | Debian has that whole non-free repository :) | Jun 02 05:41 |
DaemonFC | Taco Bell messed up | Jun 02 05:41 |
DaemonFC | gave me two extra burritos | Jun 02 05:41 |
parolang | I'll take one. | Jun 02 05:42 |
cubezzz | you should learn to cook actually | Jun 02 05:42 |
cubezzz | save some money | Jun 02 05:42 |
DaemonFC | why? | Jun 02 05:42 |
DaemonFC | doesn't save me anything | Jun 02 05:42 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Here is the difference between Jobs and the Woz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Wozniak "In 1980, Apple went public and made Jobs and Wozniak multimillionaires. However, Jobs had refused to allow some employees of Apple to receive stock options, so Wozniak decided to share some of his founder stock with the rest of the team by either giving them away for free or at a heavily discounted price. This was dubbed " | Jun 02 05:43 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | Woz seems like a real human being, and Jobs just a rich greedy fatcat | Jun 02 05:43 |
parolang | Jobs would seem more like a real human being too if he wasn't CEO. | Jun 02 05:44 |
parolang | CEO's have to do that. | Jun 02 05:44 |
Chips_B_Malroy | his sale of Pixar to Disney made Jobs 4 billion with a 6% share of Disney and a seat on the board of directors. Disney also ownes ABC | Jun 02 05:45 |
Chips_B_Malroy | read the link parolang> Jobs was against allowing employees stock, but Woz did it | Jun 02 05:46 |
Chips_B_Malroy | the Woz plan | Jun 02 05:46 |
parolang | How come Woz isn't CEO? | Jun 02 05:47 |
parolang | And, you have to admit, Jobs has been good for Apple. | Jun 02 05:47 |
Chips_B_Malroy | maybe he is too generous to his employees? | Jun 02 05:47 |
DaemonFC | clerks II | Jun 02 05:48 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jun 02 05:48 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Jobs gets the credit for saving Apple, but truth is BSD saved them | Jun 02 05:48 |
parolang | BSD? :) | Jun 02 05:49 |
DaemonFC | FreeBSD | Jun 02 05:49 |
DaemonFC | they ripped off a bunch of FreeBSD code to base OS X on | Jun 02 05:49 |
cubezzz | did the BSD guys get any money out of that? | Jun 02 05:49 |
DaemonFC | then they took KHTML from Konqueror | Jun 02 05:49 |
parolang | You can't rip off free software. | Jun 02 05:49 |
DaemonFC | and made Webkit out of that | Jun 02 05:49 |
parolang | That's the point. | Jun 02 05:49 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft has used FreeBSD code in Windows before | Jun 02 05:50 |
cubezzz | well there's the GPL | Jun 02 05:50 |
parolang | But BSD isn't GPLed. | Jun 02 05:50 |
DaemonFC | parolang, Actually | Jun 02 05:50 |
DaemonFC | it has been | Jun 02 05:50 |
DaemonFC | by accident | Jun 02 05:50 |
cubezzz | you just said free software above ^^^ | Jun 02 05:50 |
DaemonFC | PC-BSD released their whole system under GPL by mistake at one point | Jun 02 05:51 |
parolang | BSD-licensed software is free software. | Jun 02 05:51 |
parolang | No one here is an expert at xmodmap are they? | Jun 02 05:51 |
DaemonFC | right, but you can take BSD licensed code, fork it, and license it all as GPL | Jun 02 05:51 |
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parolang | DaemonFC: Right. And that's okay as long as you can tolerate the whining hypocrits :) | Jun 02 05:52 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz, I'm just going to put the extra burritos in the fridge | Jun 02 05:52 |
cubezzz | expert, no | Jun 02 05:52 |
DaemonFC | have dinner tomorrow on Taco Bell :) | Jun 02 05:52 |
cubezzz | I messed around with APL with xmodmap though | Jun 02 05:53 |
parolang | heh, apl sounds interesting :) | Jun 02 05:54 |
DaemonFC | my PC shipped using a beta version of the BIOS | Jun 02 05:54 |
DaemonFC | :P | Jun 02 05:54 |
parolang | It would be cool to have an apl keyboard just to freak people out :) | Jun 02 05:54 |
cubezzz | just use the right ALT key as meta and off you go | Jun 02 06:01 |
cubezzz | xmodmap usapl.txt | Jun 02 06:01 |
cubezzz | ;-) | Jun 02 06:01 |
cubezzz | http://maxhost.org/other/konsole-kapl.png | Jun 02 06:05 |
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zoobab | pong | Jun 02 06:07 |
cubezzz | a+ was such a pain to get working | Jun 02 06:14 |
schestowitz | [05:36] <parolang> Google is evil, Red Hat is evil, MS is evil, Apple is evil. | Jun 02 06:14 |
schestowitz | Not true | Jun 02 06:15 |
schestowitz | Google is not evil | Jun 02 06:15 |
schestowitz | Neither is Red Hat | Jun 02 06:15 |
schestowitz | I don't even use the word "Evil" | Jun 02 06:15 |
schestowitz | It's got this religious connotation | Jun 02 06:15 |
cubezzz | hold on a sec there | Jun 02 06:15 |
cubezzz | Good and Evil exist, even if you are not religious | Jun 02 06:15 |
cubezzz | or good and evil :) | Jun 02 06:15 |
schestowitz | To highlight a problem with a company's particular action is not bad. I don't say HP is "Evil" when it makes a Windows product because it later makes Linux ones | Jun 02 06:15 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: it's like black and white | Jun 02 06:16 |
schestowitz | There are shades of grey too | Jun 02 06:16 |
schestowitz | Some whites, some blacks, mixed | Jun 02 06:16 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Well Roy, I would say MS is evil | Jun 02 06:16 |
schestowitz | Even Microsoft does some beneficial things sometimes | Jun 02 06:16 |
Chips_B_Malroy | or maybe 98% evil | Jun 02 06:17 |
schestowitz | For instance, for PR purposes, they do serve causes. Gates too | Jun 02 06:17 |
cubezzz | oh, like what? :) | Jun 02 06:17 |
Chips_B_Malroy | tough question there | Jun 02 06:17 |
schestowitz | For PR purposes, Microsoft throws money here and there | Jun 02 06:17 |
cubezzz | giving libraries microsoft software? :) | Jun 02 06:17 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I would pass on that one | Jun 02 06:17 |
schestowitz | For its own benefit (PR), but still... | Jun 02 06:17 |
Chips_B_Malroy | here you are asking Roy to defend MS | Jun 02 06:18 |
cubezzz | haha :) | Jun 02 06:18 |
schestowitz | Microsoft is a rogue company | Jun 02 06:18 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Ok, let me anwser this question | Jun 02 06:18 |
schestowitz | It attracts rogue people | Jun 02 06:18 |
schestowitz | My brother has to do a project with this guy who works at Microsoft | Jun 02 06:19 |
schestowitz | It's an Android project | Jun 02 06:19 |
schestowitz | Building Web chat with video | Jun 02 06:19 |
cubezzz | the only cause _Microsoft_ really serves are the shareholders | Jun 02 06:19 |
schestowitz | And this dude is SOOOOOOO arrogant | Jun 02 06:19 |
schestowitz | He doesn't contribute anything | Jun 02 06:19 |
schestowitz | A user | Jun 02 06:19 |
Chips_B_Malroy | they, MS do some good, it helps blogger in Jamica with free laptops and desktop computers | Jun 02 06:19 |
schestowitz | So that's the type of scum Microsoft just hires | Jun 02 06:19 |
schestowitz | And I'm not surprised | Jun 02 06:19 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Andre Da Co$ts | Jun 02 06:19 |
cubezzz | ok, I think defending Microsoft phase is over now :) | Jun 02 06:19 |
schestowitz | Anyway, he says that his colleagues of Microsoft hardly do any work anymore | Jun 02 06:19 |
schestowitz | It smells like a rotten company (can you say "kin"?) | Jun 02 06:20 |
cubezzz | ok, so they're evil | Jun 02 06:20 |
cubezzz | ;-0 | Jun 02 06:20 |
schestowitz | [06:19] <Chips_B_Malroy> they, MS do some good, it helps blogger in Jamica with free laptops and desktop computers | Jun 02 06:20 |
schestowitz | LOL | Jun 02 06:20 |
Chips_B_Malroy | 99.99% evil | Jun 02 06:20 |
cubezzz | glad we got that figured out | Jun 02 06:20 |
schestowitz | Won't the FTC travel to Jamaica? | Jun 02 06:20 |
Chips_B_Malroy | we will leave the good stuff MS does as undecided. lol | Jun 02 06:20 |
cubezzz | we'll fly Stallman down to Jamica to undo the damage | Jun 02 06:21 |
schestowitz | He doesn't need to be flown | Jun 02 06:21 |
schestowitz | He's an adult, he can book his flight | Jun 02 06:21 |
schestowitz | Assuming the site isn't riddles with nonfree s/w | Jun 02 06:22 |
schestowitz | *lled | Jun 02 06:22 |
cubezzz | ha | Jun 02 06:22 |
cubezzz | well you can book on the phone I guess | Jun 02 06:22 |
schestowitz | Yeah. It used to be a pain to book long distance travel | Jun 02 06:23 |
schestowitz | I remember having to visit shops for it and comparisons were tricky as well | Jun 02 06:23 |
schestowitz | Here we have a giant that uses Red Hat servers for booking. I think the UK's biggest travel company | Jun 02 06:23 |
schestowitz | Techrights keeps climbing in Netcraft ranks, I see... let's see if it passew Groklaw | Jun 02 06:24 |
schestowitz | *sses | Jun 02 06:24 |
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cubezzz | you could say that IBM is grey | Jun 02 06:25 |
MadRobot | This is Omar87. That's my new nickname. :) | Jun 02 06:25 |
cubezzz | that would be a good example | Jun 02 06:25 |
cubezzz | hey there MadRobot | Jun 02 06:25 |
MadRobot | cubezzz, hey! | Jun 02 06:26 |
cubezzz | but then Microsoft is extremely dark grey | Jun 02 06:26 |
cubezzz | Jamaica | Jun 02 06:26 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, if you have passed Groklaw in rating that is something | Jun 02 06:27 |
Chips_B_Malroy | <MadRobot> This is Omar87" why not the JJAbrams BadRobot name? | Jun 02 06:27 |
MadRobot | Chips_B_Malroy, because that name is already used, obviously. :) | Jun 02 06:29 |
cubezzz | I don't know what they were thinking with APL | Jun 02 06:29 |
cubezzz | it's mind destroying | Jun 02 06:29 |
schestowitz | Hey, MadRobot | Jun 02 06:29 |
MadRobot | schestowitz, hey! | Jun 02 06:29 |
schestowitz | Nice nick! :-) | Jun 02 06:29 |
MadRobot | schestowitz, lol. Thanks. :) | Jun 02 06:29 |
schestowitz | Thanks for the updates re flotilla | Jun 02 06:29 |
schestowitz | We got them all here | Jun 02 06:29 |
MadRobot | schestowitz, sure. Anytime. | Jun 02 06:29 |
schestowitz | I'm personally hoping there will be an investigation | Jun 02 06:29 |
schestowitz | Then we'll know more facts and less propaganda from the different sides | Jun 02 06:30 |
schestowitz | I was gonna do some posts about Microsoft | Jun 02 06:30 |
schestowitz | They are very ill at the moment | Jun 02 06:30 |
schestowitz | Very fragile | Jun 02 06:30 |
schestowitz | Investor confidence sank | Jun 02 06:30 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: the ranks are a thing that's tricky cause we changed domain | Jun 02 06:31 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Preciption is everything, Apple has passed them by, with Sweaty B at the helm. | Jun 02 06:31 |
schestowitz | Alexa does 3-month average and so it still hasn't caught up. Netcraft has a shorter span | Jun 02 06:31 |
Chips_B_Malroy | So Ballmer had to fire a few to keep his job | Jun 02 06:31 |
schestowitz | But anyway, our visitor #s are at record highs, still rising | Jun 02 06:31 |
schestowitz | And there's less trolling against the site, which means it's harder to refute | Jun 02 06:32 |
MadRobot | schestowitz, yeah. | Jun 02 06:32 |
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schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: I read those earlier refs you put here | Jun 02 06:32 |
schestowitz | Some are interesting | Jun 02 06:32 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yes, the comment system is working | Jun 02 06:32 |
schestowitz | But no news info in them | Jun 02 06:32 |
schestowitz | They'll be in IRC logs | Jun 02 06:32 |
schestowitz | But unless there's an event rather than analysis, I'm not sure how to use that | Jun 02 06:32 |
schestowitz | I have an article you'll like........ | Jun 02 06:33 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I usually do | Jun 02 06:33 |
schestowitz | http://www.infoworld.com/d/adventures-in-it/microsofts-real-problem-ballmer-152?page=0,2&source=IFWNLE_nlt_notes_2010-05-31 | Jun 02 06:33 |
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schestowitz | I don't agree it's a one-man thing | Jun 02 06:33 |
schestowitz | Scapegoat | Jun 02 06:33 |
schestowitz | But........ | Jun 02 06:33 |
schestowitz | I like the article....... | Jun 02 06:33 |
schestowitz | <Quote> | Jun 02 06:33 |
schestowitz | Yesterday Steve Ballmer beheaded his president of entertainment and devices, 22-year veteran Microsoftie Robbie Bach... | Jun 02 06:33 |
schestowitz | Bach got the boot because Microsoft is taking it in the assets in the mobile space, and the Redmond Behemoth has (belatedly) realized that's where its future lies. | Jun 02 06:33 |
schestowitz | Yes, the Windows Mobile OS sucks harder than an asthmatic at an oxygen bar, but I'm not entirely convinced that's Bach's fault. An interface that's barely tolerable from 18 inches away with a full keyboard and mouse is completely useless on a 2- or 3-inch screen and a teensy keypad. And yet for years Microsoft has insisted on bringing the | Jun 02 06:33 |
schestowitz | Windows to Windows Mobile. | Jun 02 06:33 |
schestowitz | Whose vision was that? It wasn't Bach's. Windows on every device? Windows to control your phones and your TVs and the lights in your house? Windows in your car? That belongs to our favorite semi-retired billionaire, the churros-munching, hurricane-battlin' Billy Gates. | Jun 02 06:33 |
schestowitz | So with Bach gone, Steve Ballmer is taking over Microsoft's mobile operations. That's a little like saying, "Son, you crashed the car, so I'm going to hand the car keys to this gorilla and let him drive for a while." ... | Jun 02 06:33 |
schestowitz | [...] | Jun 02 06:34 |
schestowitz | The new Windows Phone 7 Series...it's only five years too late.... | Jun 02 06:34 |
schestowitz | Where did all of these products come from? You guessed it -- Microsoft's Entertainment and Devices division. Boy, what a bunch of screw-ups. | Jun 02 06:34 |
schestowitz | Pop quiz: What's the biggest Microsoft disaster of all time? Sorry, time's up. The correct answer is Windows Vista. Seven years in the making, and a complete and utter cluster-zune. | Jun 02 06:34 |
schestowitz | Yet Windows and Office are still the cash cows...They're not the future, though. The future lives in mobile devices and the cloud. That's now in the hands of Ballmer. | Jun 02 06:34 |
schestowitz | InfoWorld's Ted Samson says this is Microsoft's way of telling the world it's serious about mobile. I think this is their way of telling shareholders it's time to sell. | Jun 02 06:34 |
schestowitz | [...] | Jun 02 06:34 |
schestowitz | So Microsoft axing one of its captains may look like it's taking its troubles seriously, but it isn't going to solve the problem. Microsoft's biggest problem is the big, bald sweaty guy at the top. You want to see real change in Redmond, that's where it has to happen. | Jun 02 06:34 |
schestowitz | </Quote> | Jun 02 06:34 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Ballmer does what Bill wants him too mostly, Gates is the puppeteer | Jun 02 06:34 |
cubezzz | middleware is really significant now | Jun 02 06:34 |
Chips_B_Malroy | so Gates coming back to the helm of MS will not save it | Jun 02 06:35 |
Chips_B_Malroy | but he would be nastier than Ballmer even | Jun 02 06:35 |
cubezzz | Ballmer Kong :) | Jun 02 06:36 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Ray Ozzie, or Steven Sinofsky are probably the only two left inside MS to replace the Ballmer | Jun 02 06:36 |
cubezzz | sorry, that just popped into my head | Jun 02 06:36 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Ozzie, only because he was Gates last pick | Jun 02 06:37 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Ballmer has fired (or they resigned,lol) everyone else that could have replaced him | Jun 02 06:38 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | I think that Ballmer cannot fire Ray Ozzie, or Steven Sinofsky. One being the fair haired boy of Gates, the other the man that made Windows Seven and Office run on time, even though bloggers now try to give the credit to Ballmer. | Jun 02 06:42 |
Chips_B_Malroy | If he did so, the board would replace Ballmer | Jun 02 06:42 |
schestowitz | Hehe. "KIN" discounts | Jun 02 06:43 |
schestowitz | They did the same with Zune last year | Jun 02 06:44 |
schestowitz | More losses, the products are seen as more worthless | Jun 02 06:44 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Kin is a disaster, Best Buy giving Kin1 away for free, to hook users into the terrible monthly service plan | Jun 02 06:45 |
cubezzz | I bet people hate computers because of Microsoft | Jun 02 06:45 |
Chips_B_Malroy | because it would not sell, only after a month its been out | Jun 02 06:45 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Kin=more Ballmer failure | Jun 02 06:46 |
Chips_B_Malroy | KIN hits the discount bin after only one month | Jun 02 06:47 |
schestowitz | [06:37] <Chips_B_Malroy> Ozzie, only because he was Gates last pick | Jun 02 06:47 |
schestowitz | No, Ozzie might leave | Jun 02 06:47 |
schestowitz | He's rumoured to not be doing much | Jun 02 06:48 |
schestowitz | He was assigned some 'cloud' stuff and Microsoft has so far failed there | Jun 02 06:48 |
schestowitz | They haven't yet delivered things they spoke about for years | Jun 02 06:48 |
schestowitz | They shut down Office Live, AFAIK, after lack of demand | Jun 02 06:48 |
schestowitz | Google is known for web-based stuff | Jun 02 06:48 |
schestowitz | Now Microsoft tries to tie it to Office licences | Jun 02 06:49 |
schestowitz | Problem is, that's not compat' w/ the desktop version | Jun 02 06:49 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: Best buy should do BOGOF for Kin | Jun 02 06:49 |
schestowitz | For multitasking | Jun 02 06:49 |
Chips_B_Malroy | MS is badly disfunctional. Gates and Ballmer have always been more concerned with the lockin on their products than making them good. This worked until the competition got really great. | Jun 02 06:49 |
cubezzz | I feel a massive BSOD approaching Microsoft | Jun 02 06:49 |
schestowitz | [06:45] <cubezzz> I bet people hate computers because of Microsoft | Jun 02 06:50 |
schestowitz | I love computers | Jun 02 06:50 |
schestowitz | I haven't rebooted since I installed this OS | Jun 02 06:50 |
schestowitz | :-) | Jun 02 06:50 |
schestowitz | KDE no longer leaks, either | Jun 02 06:50 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I noticed the Nero AAC developers like to troll HydrogenAudio | Jun 02 06:50 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I know windows users that do hate computers because of malware | Jun 02 06:50 |
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DaemonFC | and FUD Vorbis every chance they get | Jun 02 06:50 |
DaemonFC | "It's not AAC quality" | Jun 02 06:50 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: maybe they fails as a business? (Nero) | Jun 02 06:51 |
DaemonFC | "it violates patents" | Jun 02 06:51 |
schestowitz | [06:50] <Chips_B_Malroy> I know windows users that do hate computers because of malware | Jun 02 06:51 |
schestowitz | Nervous more like | Jun 02 06:51 |
schestowitz | Irrate | Jun 02 06:51 |
schestowitz | Irate | Jun 02 06:51 |
DaemonFC | I have more reservations about using AAC than MP3 | Jun 02 06:51 |
DaemonFC | a lot more | Jun 02 06:51 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: that's the next battle, patent trolls | Jun 02 06:51 |
DaemonFC | for starters, there's no usable FOSS encoders for AAC | Jun 02 06:51 |
schestowitz | So AAC is new patent trap? | Jun 02 06:51 |
DaemonFC | it's not like FhG or MPEG-LA can stop LAME at this point | Jun 02 06:52 |
DaemonFC | MP3 has FOSS solutions on both ends | Jun 02 06:52 |
DaemonFC | AAC only has FOSS decoding | Jun 02 06:52 |
DaemonFC | you'll notice they never answer you when you directly ask them what you should do if Nero decides to stop giving their encoder out for free | Jun 02 06:53 |
schestowitz | I remember using lame in 2003/4 | Jun 02 06:53 |
schestowitz | I copies many CDs of mine, putting them on the HDD | Jun 02 06:54 |
schestowitz | There used to be ugly crappy tools | Jun 02 06:54 |
schestowitz | qt3 in SUSE | Jun 02 06:54 |
schestowitz | But it worked well | Jun 02 06:54 |
DaemonFC | for the life of me, I honestly can't tell you which one is the AAC and which one is the MP3 at any quality level likely in use | Jun 02 06:55 |
DaemonFC | by the time I can tell you which is which, it's because they're both down below 96kbps or so and AAC is using SBR | Jun 02 06:56 |
DaemonFC | which I'm not sure I'd call better | Jun 02 06:56 |
DaemonFC | maybe more like sounds bad in a different way than the MP3 | Jun 02 06:56 |
DaemonFC | the bitstream format of AAC is better than MP3 but the encoding tools just never really took full advantage | Jun 02 06:57 |
DaemonFC | companies just want to ship something that "works" | Jun 02 06:58 |
DaemonFC | they won't go about squeezing every last bit out of the format | Jun 02 06:58 |
Chips_B_Malroy | The Empire Strikes Back: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/197660/intel_offers_alternative_tablet_platform.html "he tablet processor architecture unveiled by Intel at Computex--codenamed Oak Trail--is a system on a chip (SoC) that promises to consume 50 percent less power while also enabling full HD video playback. The Oak Trail processors aren't expected in production hardware until early 2011" | Jun 02 06:58 |
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DaemonFC | I mean, just look at MP3 | Jun 02 06:59 |
DaemonFC | if not for LAME, then it would either be the reference encoder or Helix | Jun 02 06:59 |
DaemonFC | Helix gives you a file that sounds really bad but it spits it out fast :) | Jun 02 06:59 |
DaemonFC | FhG's is just bad and slow | Jun 02 07:00 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: more hot steam and vapour like Moorestown? | Jun 02 07:00 |
schestowitz | Or whatever they called it? | Jun 02 07:00 |
schestowitz | And Atom? | Jun 02 07:00 |
schestowitz | ARM scares them | Jun 02 07:00 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, maybe, but I hate to see Intel save M$ | Jun 02 07:00 |
schestowitz | Loads of Linux+ARM on tablets with Chrome or FF | Jun 02 07:00 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Microsoft and Apple are responsible for most of the bad MP3s out there | Jun 02 07:00 |
DaemonFC | they both use FhG's, bugs and all | Jun 02 07:00 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: vice versa | Jun 02 07:00 |
DaemonFC | makes their own formats sound better in comparison I guess | Jun 02 07:00 |
DaemonFC | Thomson is still trying to pimp MP3HD on Winamp's site | Jun 02 07:02 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I tested their claim of "plays as a normal MP3 file on players that don't recognize MP3HD" | Jun 02 07:03 |
DaemonFC | guess what the result was | Jun 02 07:03 |
Chips_B_Malroy | MS still has a long way to cut back. It has too many employees yet for its core business, so as its profit declines, it has lots of fat (projects and employees) to cut. | Jun 02 07:04 |
DaemonFC | froze my player and I had to wait for the battery to die before I could reboot it | Jun 02 07:04 |
schestowitz | Google has ~10k engineers | Jun 02 07:04 |
schestowitz | I assume programmer PLUS sysadmins | Jun 02 07:04 |
schestowitz | Imagine 2000 sysadmins managing a million servers | Jun 02 07:05 |
schestowitz | 500 for each person+hardware repair | Jun 02 07:05 |
schestowitz | Hard work | Jun 02 07:05 |
schestowitz | I was interviewed for these jobs | Jun 02 07:05 |
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DaemonFC | Google has 7.2 x 10 to the 10th power engineers | Jun 02 07:07 |
DaemonFC | nyaaah! | Jun 02 07:07 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | These ARM9-based $100 Android tablets looks like the ones on Ebay for $100, but those run a 300mhz cpu I belive. In time for Xmas season, they will be an easy sell | Jun 02 07:09 |
Chips_B_Malroy | same case | Jun 02 07:09 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yes, same, 128mb ram | Jun 02 07:10 |
schestowitz | Maybe it'\s subsidised | Jun 02 07:11 |
Chips_B_Malroy | maybe only 2 hour battery life. But what the heck, save over $400 from an Ipad | Jun 02 07:11 |
Chips_B_Malroy | could buy 5 of them for the price of one Ipad | Jun 02 07:11 |
Chips_B_Malroy | and flash and mulitasking should work too | Jun 02 07:12 |
DaemonFC | Big Bada Boom!!!! | Jun 02 07:12 |
*DaemonFC needs to get a Blu Raqy copy of The Fifth Element :P | Jun 02 07:12 | |
DaemonFC | *Blu Ray even | Jun 02 07:12 |
Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> can you play Blueray in linux? I seen some posts about Ubuntu doing some | Jun 02 07:13 |
DaemonFC | Jean-Baptiste...Emanuelle...Zorg! | Jun 02 07:14 |
DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, Yes | Jun 02 07:14 |
DaemonFC | but it's problematic | Jun 02 07:14 |
Chips_B_Malroy | can you install DVDFABHD then in wine? | Jun 02 07:14 |
DaemonFC | AnyDVD HD works in Wine | Jun 02 07:14 |
DaemonFC | I know that much | Jun 02 07:14 |
Chips_B_Malroy | anydvd would install, but not work | Jun 02 07:15 |
DaemonFC | I use that to strip all the MackeralVision off my DVDs | Jun 02 07:15 |
Chips_B_Malroy | DVDFAB will work in wine | Jun 02 07:15 |
MinceR | will firefox 3.6 also detect if Trash didn't crash but is frozen and is using over 100% CPU? | Jun 02 07:15 |
MinceR | it does that daily for me | Jun 02 07:15 |
DaemonFC | there was an Ubuntu support page on playing HD-DVDs some time back | Jun 02 07:15 |
Chips_B_Malroy | what I am wondering is if it will rip your blueray | Jun 02 07:15 |
Chips_B_Malroy | in linux | Jun 02 07:15 |
Chips_B_Malroy | or VLC | Jun 02 07:16 |
Chips_B_Malroy | not that I need or want Blueray, just curious | Jun 02 07:17 |
DaemonFC | there's a n Arnold Schwartzenspider in here somewhere | Jun 02 07:18 |
DaemonFC | he didn't wait for me to come back with my show | Jun 02 07:18 |
DaemonFC | I should have shot it | Jun 02 07:20 |
DaemonFC | but I didn't want a hole in my wall | Jun 02 07:20 |
DaemonFC | I've got a baton here for him if I see him again | Jun 02 07:21 |
DaemonFC | I hate spiders | Jun 02 07:22 |
Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1650943/microsoft-snubs-olpc-tablet "While ARM chips can run Windows Mobile, Microsoft's next mobile OS Windows Phone 7 is not what OLPC has in mind." Yes, CE/Mobile, whatever MS is calling it this week, sure sucks. | Jun 02 07:24 |
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DaemonFC | Nom de Dieu de putain de bordel de merde de saloperie de conard d'encule de ta mere | Jun 02 07:25 |
DaemonFC | hehehe | Jun 02 07:25 |
DaemonFC | it's not a spider | Jun 02 07:26 |
DaemonFC | it's a flying something or other | Jun 02 07:26 |
DaemonFC | alien wasp parasite that wants to lay eggs in my brain | Jun 02 07:27 |
DaemonFC | that's my guess right now | Jun 02 07:27 |
DaemonFC | the cat is running away from it | Jun 02 07:27 |
DaemonFC | ok, I just saved the Earth with my right shoe | Jun 02 07:28 |
DaemonFC | I got something done today :) | Jun 02 07:29 |
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schestowitz | [07:11] <Chips_B_Malroy> could buy 5 of them for the price of one Ipad | Jun 02 07:31 |
schestowitz | But hypePad is said to have "Magic" | Jun 02 07:31 |
schestowitz | Johnson? | Jun 02 07:31 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Phones With #Linux : #Motorola and #Dell Next Up http://ur1.ca/04xhm http://ur1.ca/04xho | Jun 02 07:32 | |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, iPad has cursed item propertied, Dungeons and Dragons rules | Jun 02 07:32 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More eReaders Running #Linux , Some #Android http://ur1.ca/04xhn http://ur1.ca/04xhp http://ur1.ca/04xhq | Jun 02 07:32 | |
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DaemonFC | you can't put it down and it drains your attributes as long as you carry it | Jun 02 07:32 |
DaemonFC | http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/nssi-nssi/id281793661 | Jun 02 07:34 |
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DaemonFC | There's the 1001st thing iTunes can help you do | Jun 02 07:34 |
DaemonFC | make your neighbors think you're a TERROR~1 | Jun 02 07:35 |
Chips_B_Malroy | More MS FUD: http://technologizer.com/2010/06/01/apple-ipad-sales-show-little-signs-of-slowing/ "Microsoft’s Steve Guggenheimer told the Wall Street Journal that manufacturer’s current apparent preference for Android on tablets was nothing more than a red herring, and that the company would lead the market overall in due time." Fat chance of that. | Jun 02 07:35 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | Just like Android is kicking WinMo's butt in Phones, it will on Tablets too. | Jun 02 07:36 |
Chips_B_Malroy | rather, it already is | Jun 02 07:36 |
Chips_B_Malroy | CE is a joke on a phone, but its far worse on a computer, tablet or smartbook | Jun 02 07:37 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Despite HP dropping Windows on slates and proliferation of Linux slates Microsoft predict control of the market. http://is.gd/czeJw | Jun 02 07:38 | |
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Chips_B_Malroy | Well MS would actually have to go back to windows 2000 and recode that to run on ARM, plus all the apps, etc. But more likely is Ballmer will just try to rework CE and pawn that off on people. Even XP did not work well on 128mb of ram, and there will be a lot of those chinese tablets out there with 128mb of ram | Jun 02 07:44 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Forget windows7, and phone7 is just CE renamed | Jun 02 07:44 |
MinceR | i'm lucky i'm immune to the crApple curse then | Jun 02 07:45 |
Chips_B_Malroy | you don't want their overpriced stuff? | Jun 02 07:46 |
MinceR | lol @ m$'s dreams of dominating the mobile market | Jun 02 07:46 |
MinceR | i don't | Jun 02 07:46 |
Chips_B_Malroy | me either | Jun 02 07:46 |
MinceR | actually phone7 is worse than the CE-s before | Jun 02 07:46 |
Chips_B_Malroy | well, phone7 sounds worse, but truth is, its still vaporware so far | Jun 02 07:47 |
Chips_B_Malroy | one has to wonder, if this is not why one got fired too | Jun 02 07:48 |
schestowitz | [07:44] <Chips_B_Malroy> Forget windows7, and phone7 is just CE renamed | Jun 02 07:48 |
schestowitz | With zune/sidekick | Jun 02 07:48 |
schestowitz | CE actually had some apps | Jun 02 07:48 |
schestowitz | [07:46] <Chips_B_Malroy> you don't want their overpriced stuff? | Jun 02 07:48 |
schestowitz | It's not about price, is it? | Jun 02 07:49 |
Chips_B_Malroy | freedom is not apple | Jun 02 07:49 |
schestowitz |  | Jun 02 07:49 |
schestowitz | [07:47] <Chips_B_Malroy> well, phone7 sounds worse, but truth is, its still vaporware so far | Jun 02 07:49 |
schestowitz | If it's delayed, maybe it'll make it just before xmas | Jun 02 07:49 |
Chips_B_Malroy | but price does matter too | Jun 02 07:49 |
schestowitz | Not sure about "KIN" | Jun 02 07:49 |
schestowitz | Apple is like Microsoft's controlled friend | Jun 02 07:50 |
schestowitz | Keeping DRM, swpats, proprietary software relevant | Jun 02 07:50 |
schestowitz | That's why Apple would probably rather see Windows than Linux | Jun 02 07:50 |
schestowitz | UNIX compatibility withstanding | Jun 02 07:50 |
Chips_B_Malroy | its easier for both Apple and MS to compete with themselves than against a free product like GNU | Jun 02 07:51 |
schestowitz | It's a paradigm war | Jun 02 07:51 |
Chips_B_Malroy | so they conspire to keep GNU out | Jun 02 07:51 |
schestowitz | Apple-Microsoft=brand war | Jun 02 07:51 |
schestowitz | GNU-Applesoft=ideaology war | Jun 02 07:51 |
Chips_B_Malroy | no, its about the money | Jun 02 07:51 |
schestowitz | Also a US issue | Jun 02 07:52 |
Chips_B_Malroy | its all they care about | Jun 02 07:52 |
schestowitz | They are uS companies | Jun 02 07:52 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Microsoft touts Windows security. No sightings of flying elephants over Redmond yet. http://is.gd/czfmh | Jun 02 07:52 | |
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schestowitz | Google takes more Linux capital to California | Jun 02 07:52 |
schestowitz | Android as a fork and all... | Jun 02 07:52 |
schestowitz | "Microsoft has publicly defended Windows in the face of unconfirmed reports that Google was shunning the operating system due to security concerns." | Jun 02 07:53 |
schestowitz | Hehe | Jun 02 07:53 |
schestowitz | They needed a whole response article as though reports about Google were /this/ serious | Jun 02 07:53 |
MinceR | 084658 < schestowitz> UNIX compatibility withstanding | Jun 02 07:53 |
MinceR | crApple doesn't want compatibility | Jun 02 07:54 |
MinceR | they never did | Jun 02 07:54 |
Chips_B_Malroy | was cleaning a windows laptop with an infected xp on it that BSOD when booting up recently. Spybot searches for 1.3 million differnet malware I noticed | Jun 02 07:54 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | it was not "my" laptop btw | Jun 02 07:55 |
DaemonFC | "When it comes to security, even hackers admit we're doing a better job making our products more secure than anyone else," he said. | Jun 02 07:56 |
Chips_B_Malroy | bull | Jun 02 07:56 |
schestowitz | [07:55] <Chips_B_Malroy> it was not "my" laptop btw | Jun 02 07:56 |
schestowitz | Let Microsoft fix it | Jun 02 07:56 |
DaemonFC | "And it's not just the hackers; third-party influentials and industry leaders like Cisco tell us regularly that our focus and investment continues to surpass others." | Jun 02 07:57 |
DaemonFC | Cisco was the one caught violating the GPL with their Linux-based firmware | Jun 02 07:57 |
schestowitz | When people ask me for help with Windows I tell them to phone Microsoft | Jun 02 07:57 |
schestowitz | "You paid them for this products, now they ought to supports you because it has defects" | Jun 02 07:58 |
Chips_B_Malroy | usually I have stopped cleaning out windows malware for people, but a good friend asked me to do this one | Jun 02 07:58 |
schestowitz | But... proprietary software keeps you "helpless and isolated"... from your friends and family | Jun 02 07:58 |
schestowitz | Some people take offence, as though if you refuse to support billionaire Ballmer for them, then you're a traitor to them | Jun 02 07:59 |
schestowitz | That's what Microsoft does to society | Jun 02 07:59 |
schestowitz | Ballmer: it was my idea | Jun 02 07:59 |
schestowitz | [07:58] <Chips_B_Malroy> usually I have stopped cleaning out windows malware for people, but a good friend asked me to do this one | Jun 02 07:59 |
Chips_B_Malroy | mostly even my family I now refuse to clean up their malware infected windows computers now. I found if I did clean them up, they just reinfected them | Jun 02 07:59 |
schestowitz | His good friend would help him get /off/ Windows | Jun 02 07:59 |
schestowitz | Not help perpetuate this dependency | Jun 02 08:00 |
Chips_B_Malroy | teach them to use linux instead | Jun 02 08:00 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Only good news market analysts find for Microsoft is that Bing canabalises market share from its Yahoo almost subsidiary. http://is.gd/czfLg | Jun 02 08:00 | |
schestowitz | It's like saying you help a drunken friend by coming over with a bottle of Cava | Jun 02 08:00 |
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MinceR | schestowitz: i tell them to upgrade to gnu/linux, it will make most problems go away | Jun 02 08:00 |
schestowitz | :-) | Jun 02 08:01 |
schestowitz | Either they do it or they walk away knowing you wanted to help | Jun 02 08:01 |
Chips_B_Malroy | <schestowitz> His good friend would help him get /off/ Windows" The good friend is another linux user who builds and repairs pc's. He had a badly infected xp laptop that came in he could not fix for a client and asked me to try | Jun 02 08:01 |
schestowitz | it only takes 2 or 3 words | Jun 02 08:01 |
schestowitz | Depending on whatever you say "Linux" or "gnu Linux" :-) | Jun 02 08:02 |
schestowitz | *whether | Jun 02 08:02 |
Chips_B_Malroy | 4 rootkits, 1 usb virus, megaviruses and trojans,I had to replace atapi.sys, so no, MS is still the Typoid Mary of Operating Systems | Jun 02 08:04 |
Chips_B_Malroy | whatever windows touches will infect it | Jun 02 08:05 |
schestowitz | Opposite, no? | Jun 02 08:05 |
Chips_B_Malroy | well, maybe, but you get my point with the name | Jun 02 08:06 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I like the title: "Microsoft: Years from Now The Majority of Tablets Will Use Windows" | Jun 02 08:09 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Years will be too late for MS, by then Android/Linux will have converted users | Jun 02 08:10 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft-Funded Fake ‘SMB’ Group Still Lobbies for Software Patents in Europe http://ur1.ca/04xpp #swpats #patent #bilski | Jun 02 08:11 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Gregg Keizer gives a platform to Gartner to bring out the same old red herrings. http://is.gd/czgT3 | Jun 02 08:19 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] The latest skewed Net Applications OS market share results. http://is.gd/czhjC | Jun 02 08:27 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @iRevolt @avinunu "as hostages are..freed they are starting to tell their stories" /yes! this is #israel's doom. Can't fix 600 witnesses! | Jun 02 08:32 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @SPFTIO #Israel refuses 2 release film of them firing 1st! #flotilla http://bit.ly/b9DnD9 /all camera evidence found on boats will b gone | Jun 02 08:35 | |
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DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN8kUGETTFA | Jun 02 08:39 |
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DaemonFC | :P | Jun 02 08:39 |
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DaemonFC | "They're going to get you Trash, they're gonna stick you in the nuthouse up in Terre Haute!!!" | Jun 02 08:52 |
DaemonFC | :D | Jun 02 08:52 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Gaza is being collectively punished for exercising it's democratic rights. Israel tries to bully them into changing vote. http://is.gd/cziSt | Jun 02 08:57 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Additions to #Linux Graphics Stack From #NVIDIA , #Intel http://ur1.ca/04y0i http://ur1.ca/04y0k | Jun 02 09:08 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux 2.6.35 RC1 is Released; A Look at #Kernel Space http://ur1.ca/04y0h http://ur1.ca/04y0j http://ur1.ca/04y0l | Jun 02 09:08 | |
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DaemonFC | "The security risks regarding downloadable codecs and associated malware are documented and significant." -Microsoft | Jun 02 09:09 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Why does Israel think that having a forcefully impoverished and embittered population on its doorstep is good for their own security? #Gaza | Jun 02 09:10 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #Novell Has Gone Rogue (and is Better off Eliminated) http://ur1.ca/04y1l A look back at 3.5 years of Microsoft-influenced Novell | Jun 02 09:13 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @satipera That's not the case, they are sacking and plundering the Palestinians hoping that this will force them to leave their lands. | Jun 02 09:14 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Hmm. People offering bounties hoping for Linux support on the Macbook Pro 13" http://bit.ly/d7mPLP | Jun 02 09:16 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Discussion of Icons in #GNU #Linux Desktop Environments http://ur1.ca/04y1v | Jun 02 09:16 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Introduction to #LXDE n #GNU #Linux http://www.hackourlives.com/light-desktop-environment-for-linux-lxde-for-ubuntu-fedora/ | Jun 02 09:16 | |
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DaemonFC | I'm browsing around in IE 8 for no reason | Jun 02 09:17 |
DaemonFC | it's almost tolerable with Privoxy filtering everything going in and out | Jun 02 09:17 |
schestowitz | Oh no. | Jun 02 09:18 |
schestowitz | http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/intelligent-design-to-be-taught-in-queensland-schools-under-national-curriculum/story-e6freoof-1225872896736 | Jun 02 09:18 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] New Technical Architect role going at Canonical http://bit.ly/btOrA4 | Jun 02 09:18 | |
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schestowitz | Going the way of the US | Jun 02 09:18 |
schestowitz | WHat's next? Scientology classes? | Jun 02 09:18 |
schestowitz | They dress it up to sound like "science", "logic", "intelligence" | Jun 02 09:18 |
schestowitz | And they won't defend this in court cause they know it's fraud but they make money from it... | Jun 02 09:19 |
DaemonFC | Jesus brought down the US Constitution on gold tablets but when he saw all the gays prancing around trying to marry, he got angry and smashed them | Jun 02 09:19 |
DaemonFC | every schoolkid knows this story | Jun 02 09:19 |
DaemonFC | where have you been? :P | Jun 02 09:19 |
schestowitz | I'm not even sure the bible/s preach against homosexuality | Jun 02 09:19 |
DaemonFC | it doesn't | Jun 02 09:20 |
schestowitz | That's debatable, but homophobes interpret things how they like it and then point at their bible/s | Jun 02 09:20 |
DaemonFC | they base it on Leviticus | Jun 02 09:20 |
DaemonFC | which also bans clothing of mixed fiber | Jun 02 09:20 |
schestowitz | New testament? | Jun 02 09:20 |
DaemonFC | and eating shellfish | Jun 02 09:20 |
schestowitz | Hehe | Jun 02 09:20 |
schestowitz | Fibres | Jun 02 09:20 |
DaemonFC | and a bunch of other bizarre things | Jun 02 09:20 |
schestowitz | What's the excuse there? | Jun 02 09:20 |
schestowitz | Like not drinking milk with meat... unless you wait a few hours !! | Jun 02 09:21 |
DaemonFC | I don't know, but according to Old Testament law, wearing a cotton/polyester blend is as "bad" as having sex with another man | Jun 02 09:21 |
schestowitz | But eating flesh of Christ is OK | Jun 02 09:21 |
schestowitz | It's called "bread" | Jun 02 09:21 |
DaemonFC | and if you eat dinner at Red Lobster even once, there's no saving you | Jun 02 09:21 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jun 02 09:21 |
schestowitz | why is Mr. Lobster so special? | Jun 02 09:21 |
DaemonFC | shellfish | Jun 02 09:22 |
schestowitz | I bet some dude didn't like the antennas | Jun 02 09:22 |
DaemonFC | as in most anything there | Jun 02 09:22 |
schestowitz | So he said "ban it" | Jun 02 09:22 |
schestowitz | Matter of taste in food becomes law | Jun 02 09:22 |
schestowitz | That's why many doctrines ban what they find objectionable | Jun 02 09:22 |
schestowitz | Alcohol is till legal | Jun 02 09:22 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I decided we would all go to Texas Roadhouse for my birthday this year | Jun 02 09:22 |
DaemonFC | my grandmother is a prohibitionist | Jun 02 09:23 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Hah! Woman the office is having her new chunky shoes admired. Aubergine of course! :) | Jun 02 09:23 | |
schestowitz | Xbox grandma? | Jun 02 09:23 |
DaemonFC | so I got this huge 24 ounce beer to drink in front of her | Jun 02 09:23 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, She'll overlook things that certain family members do | Jun 02 09:24 |
DaemonFC | she picked out people to bitch at long ago | Jun 02 09:24 |
DaemonFC | I'm one of them | Jun 02 09:24 |
DaemonFC | yay | Jun 02 09:24 |
DaemonFC | she's getting more senile and ill-tempered all the time | Jun 02 09:25 |
schestowitz | http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/05/on-android-compatibility.html | Jun 02 09:26 |
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schestowitz | Google still pretends its devs are kids | Jun 02 09:26 |
DaemonFC | she and my grandfather perfectly embodied this mix of born again Christian, stupid, gullible, and hypocritical weasel perfectly | Jun 02 09:26 |
schestowitz | With toys and bikes and dolls and s** | Jun 02 09:26 |
DaemonFC | remnant of that entire generation I think | Jun 02 09:26 |
schestowitz | PR gone wrong | Jun 02 09:26 |
DaemonFC | don't forget materialistic | Jun 02 09:27 |
DaemonFC | they got taken in on every multi-level marketing scam there was | Jun 02 09:27 |
schestowitz | You said Texas | Jun 02 09:27 |
DaemonFC | this one time, they bought into a phone card scam | Jun 02 09:27 |
DaemonFC | where they were supposed to get wholesale pricing on phone cards to turn around and sell | Jun 02 09:27 |
DaemonFC | turns out that the cards only had 15 minutes on them no matter what the face value was | Jun 02 09:28 |
DaemonFC | and they ended up selling them to half the people at their church | Jun 02 09:28 |
schestowitz | Hmm.... If Texas became its own state, that would elevate the US status as an intelligent country | Jun 02 09:28 |
schestowitz | Where it Popoff/v from? | Jun 02 09:28 |
DaemonFC | yeah | Jun 02 09:28 |
schestowitz | I reckon many are in the mid-west | Jun 02 09:29 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, 57% of Texans think they have the legal right to secede | Jun 02 09:29 |
schestowitz | "If Texas became its own state" -> I mean nation | Jun 02 09:29 |
DaemonFC | in a poll I saw a while back | Jun 02 09:29 |
DaemonFC | They don't want to | Jun 02 09:29 |
DaemonFC | they get too much federal money to want to | Jun 02 09:30 |
schestowitz | I'd die laughing just with the though of MinceR living in Texas for 12 hours | Jun 02 09:30 |
schestowitz | I have a friend here who lived there. | Jun 02 09:30 |
schestowitz | He's Asian and he says Texans are racist | Jun 02 09:30 |
DaemonFC | most likely | Jun 02 09:31 |
schestowitz | Imagine Bush separating to another nation | Jun 02 09:31 |
schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney | Jun 02 09:31 |
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schestowitz | "Cheney was born in Lincoln, Nebraska" | Jun 02 09:32 |
DaemonFC | nah, Bush and Disk are retired now | Jun 02 09:32 |
DaemonFC | Dick's up on the moon in his Halliburton Pod | Jun 02 09:32 |
DaemonFC | with a few spare hearts | Jun 02 09:32 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Texas Roadhouse is just a set of restaurants | Jun 02 09:34 |
DaemonFC | the food is good | Jun 02 09:34 |
DaemonFC | I never said I liked Texas the state | Jun 02 09:34 |
DaemonFC | heh, I found my old radio deck and put it in my car today | Jun 02 09:37 |
DaemonFC | "Plays MP3 and WMA CDs" | Jun 02 09:37 |
DaemonFC | :P | Jun 02 09:37 |
DaemonFC | if you're going to burn a CD, why would you put MP3 or WMA files on it? | Jun 02 09:37 |
DaemonFC | I should see if I can get it to read a DVD | Jun 02 09:38 |
DaemonFC | dbpoweramp really sucks | Jun 02 09:40 |
DaemonFC | it's using reference libvorbis from 2006 | Jun 02 09:40 |
DaemonFC | and it doesn't expose VBR mode if you use the FhG MP3 encoder :) | Jun 02 09:40 |
schestowitz | http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DOLLAR?SITE=CAANG&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT | Jun 02 09:43 |
Techrights | Title: Oakland Tribune (AP) Online .::. Size~: 54.71 KB | Jun 02 09:43 |
schestowitz | "The dollar surged to a fresh four-year high against the euro Tuesday as worries that European banks could still face large loan losses next year added to concerns about the continent's economic outlook." | Jun 02 09:43 |
DaemonFC | hmmmmm | Jun 02 09:51 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, FhG has an official MP3 player | Jun 02 09:51 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @DaHammerstein #ACTA European Parliament JURI Commission approves very repressive Gallo Report >>bunch of morons #gallo | Jun 02 09:53 | |
schestowitz | Yeah | Jun 02 09:53 |
schestowitz | Aren't they govt-associated? | Jun 02 09:53 |
DaemonFC | German government I think | Jun 02 09:54 |
DaemonFC | their player isn't bad actually | Jun 02 09:54 |
schestowitz | If they are abusive, the government will receive more complaints | Jun 02 09:55 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, My dad was one of the senior engineers at Thomson | Jun 02 09:55 |
schestowitz | I can't be bothered after spending too much time sending letters and seeing how useful bureaucracy is. It's better to public expose them | Jun 02 09:55 |
schestowitz | *cally | Jun 02 09:55 |
DaemonFC | he worked on a lot of things there, MP3 included | Jun 02 09:55 |
schestowitz | Now he does manual labour? | Jun 02 09:55 |
schestowitz | China does knockoffs | Jun 02 09:56 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Canonical 's #Ubuntu GNU/Linux: Good Reviews http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fasterforward/2010/05/ubuntu_linux_1004_review.html | Jun 02 09:56 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Ubuntu and 1Debian #GNU #Linux Newsletters http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/2047 http://www.debian.org/News/project/2010/04/ | Jun 02 09:56 | |
Techrights | Title: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter #195 | The Fridge .::. Size~: 10.02 KB | Jun 02 09:56 |
Techrights | Title: Debian Project News - May 31st, 2010 .::. Size~: 18.68 KB | Jun 02 09:56 |
schestowitz | They use the Western knowledge | Jun 02 09:56 |
DaemonFC | yeah, he's not designing anything | Jun 02 09:56 |
DaemonFC | he's working for lessd money fixing other people's machinery that breaks down | Jun 02 09:56 |
DaemonFC | kind of sad really | Jun 02 09:56 |
schestowitz | Days of RCA are long gne | Jun 02 09:56 |
schestowitz | And Levi's | Jun 02 09:56 |
DaemonFC | yeah, RCA, Proscan, and GE are all the same company | Jun 02 09:57 |
DaemonFC | Thomson | Jun 02 09:57 |
schestowitz | Better than helping CAT" at least | Jun 02 09:57 |
DaemonFC | Thomson is just an office in Indianapolis that buys things from China | Jun 02 09:57 |
DaemonFC | :P | Jun 02 09:57 |
DaemonFC | they fired over 5,000 people in Indiana alone | Jun 02 09:58 |
DaemonFC | they don't make a damned thing | Jun 02 09:58 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] AAARGH! STAB STAB STAB. Tomboy just crashed and took out one of my notes which has now synced to my other machines. | Jun 02 09:58 | |
DaemonFC | Thomson is just one giant patent troll now | Jun 02 09:58 |
DaemonFC | that happens to own a few brand names | Jun 02 09:59 |
DaemonFC | I had an MP3 player back before anyone knew what they were :P | Jun 02 09:59 |
DaemonFC | he'd get prototypes at work and just give them to me | Jun 02 09:59 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, try out l3enc sometime | Jun 02 10:01 |
DaemonFC | that thing was a pain in the ass | Jun 02 10:01 |
DaemonFC | and it was only a demo, it would only let you encode to 128k | Jun 02 10:01 |
schestowitz | *LOL* http://twitter.com/IsraelGlobalPR | Jun 02 10:01 |
Techrights | Title: Israel Global PR (IsraelGlobalPR) on Twitter .::. Size~: 33.76 KB | Jun 02 10:01 |
DaemonFC | and it was slooooooow | Jun 02 10:01 |
schestowitz | Parody | Jun 02 10:01 |
DaemonFC | not that I really cared at the time | Jun 02 10:01 |
DaemonFC | my first player only had 128 megs of storage | Jun 02 10:01 |
DaemonFC | not like I was going to stuff a lot of high quality MP3s on it | Jun 02 10:02 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @indiaknight @thebookslut author H Mankell was on Gaza flotilla, now furious http://is.gd/czlwP 'there was not a single weapon aboard' | Jun 02 10:02 | |
Techrights | Title: Swedish crime writer Henning Mankell calls for sanctions against Israel after flotilla attack - Winnipeg Free Press .::. Size~: 75.43 KB | Jun 02 10:02 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, not sure who to believe about the flotilla deal | Jun 02 10:03 |
DaemonFC | you had two groups of belligerant assholes just waiting for an excuse to get violent | Jun 02 10:03 |
DaemonFC | what did anyone expect would happen? | Jun 02 10:03 |
schestowitz | Yeah | Jun 02 10:05 |
schestowitz | But.... | Jun 02 10:05 |
schestowitz | the groups are not those on the ship | Jun 02 10:05 |
schestowitz | Rather, ones they would have assisted | Jun 02 10:05 |
schestowitz | People on the ship are victims | Jun 02 10:06 |
schestowitz | The question is, IMHO, what would be done about the religious zealots on both sides in Israel/Palestine | Jun 02 10:06 |
schestowitz | Still fighting over some 'holy' things and nonsense | Jun 02 10:06 |
schestowitz | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/7787408/Analysis-this-government-is-open-to-scrutiny.html | Jun 02 10:07 |
Techrights | Title: Analysis: this government is open to scrutiny - Telegraph .::. Size~: 64.84 KB | Jun 02 10:07 |
DaemonFC | looks to me that they were both going after each other with intent | Jun 02 10:07 |
DaemonFC | like the people on the flotilla had brought along improvised weapons | Jun 02 10:07 |
DaemonFC | planning to provoke the Israelis maybe | Jun 02 10:08 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: a lot of people ignore context | Jun 02 10:09 |
schestowitz | They need to study history and see what preceded it | Jun 02 10:09 |
schestowitz | They should make two states | Jun 02 10:10 |
schestowitz | If they can't live together | Jun 02 10:10 |
schestowitz | Which they probably can't cause they read different scruptures :-) | Jun 02 10:10 |
schestowitz | Different desert dogmas | Jun 02 10:10 |
DaemonFC | Israel wouldn't go for that | Jun 02 10:11 |
DaemonFC | they have a government that wants to push the Palestinians back, take the land, and set up Jewish settlements | Jun 02 10:11 |
DaemonFC | not all at once, just like one bite at a time | Jun 02 10:11 |
MinceR | geekings | Jun 02 10:12 |
DaemonFC | http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6098/75156932.png | Jun 02 10:13 |
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*DaemonFC smacks MinceR with the one true MP3 player | Jun 02 10:13 | |
DaemonFC | B-) | Jun 02 10:13 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: demo | Jun 02 10:13 |
schestowitz | Ewww... vista7 | Jun 02 10:13 |
schestowitz | XP with bigger icons | Jun 02 10:14 |
DaemonFC | actually, it's Server 2008 R2 | Jun 02 10:14 |
schestowitz | The Windows logo looks like candy | Jun 02 10:14 |
schestowitz | In the 'start' menu | Jun 02 10:14 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: no such thing | Jun 02 10:15 |
MinceR | schestowitz: poison candy | Jun 02 10:16 |
DaemonFC | it's off by default in Server | Jun 02 10:16 |
schestowitz | v | Jun 02 10:16 |
schestowitz | http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2010/05/rumblings_in_ta.html | Jun 02 10:17 |
Techrights | Title: Craig Murray - Rumblings in Tashkent .::. Size~: 34.74 KB | Jun 02 10:17 |
schestowitz | MinceR: Apple candy | Jun 02 10:17 |
schestowitz | Candy Apple | Jun 02 10:17 |
DaemonFC | actually, lots of stuff is off in Server | Jun 02 10:17 |
DaemonFC | audio service isn't running | Jun 02 10:17 |
DaemonFC | you turn it on and it'll glitch cause it's low priority | Jun 02 10:17 |
DaemonFC | you end up having to edit the registry to get it up to normal priority | Jun 02 10:18 |
schestowitz | Windows is so easy | Jun 02 10:18 |
DaemonFC | Server | Jun 02 10:18 |
DaemonFC | not meant to be used as a workstation | Jun 02 10:18 |
DaemonFC | you can set it up as one, but it's not what it's there for | Jun 02 10:18 |
schestowitz | http://mobile.shanghaiist.com/2010/05/27/shanghai_high-rise_feng_shui_fail.php | Jun 02 10:19 |
Techrights | Title: Shanghai high-rise feng shui FAIL: Shanghaiist: News, Music, Nightlife, Restaurants, Events and More in Shanghai, China .::. Size~: 15.03 KB | Jun 02 10:19 |
DaemonFC | it also only has one account by default | Jun 02 10:19 |
DaemonFC | Administrator | Jun 02 10:19 |
MinceR | windows is so easy...to crash | Jun 02 10:19 |
DaemonFC | and Protected Mode in IE is off | Jun 02 10:19 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: yeah, only idiots would put that on the desktop | Jun 02 10:19 |
MinceR | windows is so easy...to break into | Jun 02 10:19 |
DaemonFC | though it has the Nazi pack | Jun 02 10:19 |
schestowitz | So DaemonFC, what are you using now? | Jun 02 10:19 |
DaemonFC | :( | Jun 02 10:20 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Israel has the best propaganda in the world. Regiments of talking heads instantly appear to the worlds media all with same line in sophistry | Jun 02 10:20 | |
oiaohm | Windows is basically impossible to audit independant as well. DaemonFC | Jun 02 10:20 |
DaemonFC | oh and some things see you have Windows Server and refuse to install | Jun 02 10:20 |
DaemonFC | like antivirus | Jun 02 10:20 |
schestowitz | They just make a phonecall to Murdoch.. | Jun 02 10:21 |
DaemonFC | I had to rig the registry over that too | Jun 02 10:21 |
DaemonFC | it tells them it's Windows 7 now | Jun 02 10:21 |
oiaohm | Linux levels of binary drivers are min. | Jun 02 10:21 |
DaemonFC | that's how I got Avast installed | Jun 02 10:21 |
oiaohm | OS X has a open source kernel that anyone can inspect. | Jun 02 10:21 |
oiaohm | Ok part closed and part open beats fully closed | Jun 02 10:21 |
schestowitz | PR purposes | Jun 02 10:21 |
oiaohm | At least if you have teams of coders at hand you can take at least some of the issues on your self. | Jun 02 10:21 |
schestowitz | And part of Apple's conviencience | Jun 02 10:22 |
DaemonFC | I used OpenDarwin for the hell of it for a while | Jun 02 10:22 |
oiaohm | No you can get OS X kernel code build and replace it. | Jun 02 10:22 |
DaemonFC | as a secondary system | Jun 02 10:22 |
schestowitz | It couldn't make its own goddamn decent kernel | Jun 02 10:22 |
oiaohm | OS X will operate with a replacement kernel. | Jun 02 10:22 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I just collect operating systems | Jun 02 10:22 |
DaemonFC | some people collect postage stamps | Jun 02 10:22 |
DaemonFC | :P | Jun 02 10:22 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: you can't collect them | Jun 02 10:22 |
schestowitz | There are bits and bytes | Jun 02 10:22 |
schestowitz | Moreover, they require ACTIVATION | Jun 02 10:23 |
DaemonFC | no they don't | Jun 02 10:23 |
schestowitz | It's like collecting "souls" or "ideas" | Jun 02 10:23 |
DaemonFC | you just have to know the magic word | Jun 02 10:23 |
oiaohm | Open source OS's don't require activation. | Jun 02 10:23 |
oiaohm | Ie opendarwin does not require activation. | Jun 02 10:23 |
schestowitz | I was talking to DaemonFC | Jun 02 10:23 |
schestowitz | About Winders | Jun 02 10:23 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, editing the BIOS ROM with a hex editor and then flashing it | Jun 02 10:24 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jun 02 10:24 |
oiaohm | OS X graphical on top of opendarwin requires you to let a particular bit of hardware bit accessed. | Jun 02 10:24 |
oiaohm | Ie the validation chip. | Jun 02 10:24 |
DaemonFC | slmgr.vbs -ilc <license XML> :) | Jun 02 10:24 |
DaemonFC | slmgr.vbs -ipk <mass OEM product key> | Jun 02 10:25 |
DaemonFC | slmgr.vbs -dlv | Jun 02 10:25 |
oiaohm | Windows machines using retriger without activation can run for 180 days. | Jun 02 10:25 |
DaemonFC | (shows if it's activated) | Jun 02 10:25 |
oiaohm | More than enough time to demo. | Jun 02 10:25 |
oiaohm | Ie I use it a bit. | Jun 02 10:25 |
MinceR | opendarwin is just a fucked up version of freebsd+mach | Jun 02 10:25 |
MinceR | like osx | Jun 02 10:25 |
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oiaohm | I did not say I liked OS X design MinceR | Jun 02 10:26 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Linux based, Wifi booting thin-pads will be a cool idea !! | Jun 02 10:26 | |
oiaohm | But at least you are free to play with some of it. | Jun 02 10:26 |
schestowitz | http://www.pluggd.in/india-to-overtake-china-in-mobile-market-by-2013-report-297/ | Jun 02 10:27 |
Techrights | Title: India to overtake China in mobile market by 2013 [Report] .::. Size~: 13.43 KB | Jun 02 10:27 |
MinceR | :> | Jun 02 10:27 |
schestowitz | Play. Apple. Think. Different. Buy. Toys. | Jun 02 10:28 |
schestowitz | I thought Google was the play-toy company | Jun 02 10:28 |
schestowitz | That's how they market themselves with logos and photos | Jun 02 10:28 |
MinceR | google has at least one useful product/service | Jun 02 10:29 |
schestowitz | search | Jun 02 10:29 |
schestowitz | it's a virus | Jun 02 10:29 |
MinceR | indeed | Jun 02 10:29 |
schestowitz | Like a Petri dish on the net, crawling like mad | Jun 02 10:29 |
schestowitz | But... they also do videos | Jun 02 10:29 |
schestowitz | Think about how many videos per month you get from their servers | Jun 02 10:29 |
MinceR | i'd prefer to get them from DailyMotion's servers, but i can't | Jun 02 10:30 |
MinceR | then again, things are getting better in youtube | Jun 02 10:30 |
DaemonFC | http://www.all4mp3.com/SoftwareLine.aspx | Jun 02 10:31 |
Techrights | Title: All4MP3 .::. Size~: 37.03 KB | Jun 02 10:31 |
DaemonFC | They have Linux binaries | Jun 02 10:31 |
DaemonFC | :P | Jun 02 10:31 |
DaemonFC | it still uses VBRI headers which some things can't read | Jun 02 10:33 |
DaemonFC | instead of the de facto XING header | Jun 02 10:33 |
MinceR | PEDESTRIAN XING? :> | Jun 02 10:34 |
DaemonFC | no, as in the headers that the Xing encoder used to write | Jun 02 10:34 |
DaemonFC | Lame uses those too | Jun 02 10:35 |
DaemonFC | so does Real's Helix | Jun 02 10:35 |
DaemonFC | Helix was based on Xing | Jun 02 10:35 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Ubuntu Variants: #LinuxMint 9 #LXDE RC, #Parsix , #Qimo http://ur1.ca/04yhf http://ur1.ca/04yhg http://ur1.ca/04yhh | Jun 02 10:36 | |
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schestowitz | "Xing! went the strings of my heart........" | Jun 02 10:37 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Canonical 's #Ubuntu GNU/Linux: New Features, Products http://ur1.ca/04yhe http://ur1.ca/04yhi http://ur1.ca/04yhk | Jun 02 10:37 | |
MinceR | X-Wing MPEG | Jun 02 10:37 |
Techrights | Title: ubuntu jewelry | Handle With Linux .::. Size~: 29.71 KB | Jun 02 10:37 |
Techrights | Title: A Sleek & Easy Way To Administer Ubuntu Ubuntu Control Center .::. Size~: 34.02 KB | Jun 02 10:37 |
Techrights | Title: The Mechanical Philosopher: Ubuntu Fun .::. Size~: 71.7 KB | Jun 02 10:37 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Hardware/Chipsets Support/Prefer Linux http://ur1.ca/04yj6 http://ur1.ca/04yj7 http://ur1.ca/04yj8 | Jun 02 10:45 | |
Techrights | Title: Ruggedized OpenVPX SBC runs Linux - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 56.18 KB | Jun 02 10:45 |
Techrights | Title: Freescale Cortex-A8 SoC advances to 1080p video - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 58.3 KB | Jun 02 10:45 |
schestowitz | Coo! http://thenextweb.com/apps/2010/05/28/a-tour-through-the-new-digg-video/ | Jun 02 10:46 |
Techrights | Title: A Video Tour of The New Digg .::. Size~: 71.67 KB | Jun 02 10:46 |
schestowitz | Maybe I can start posting in Digg again | Jun 02 10:46 |
schestowitz | I have about 3000 friends there | Jun 02 10:46 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 10.04 #LucidLynx (Netbook Edition) http://hulllug.org/2010/05/29/ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx-netbook-edition/ | Jun 02 10:47 | |
Techrights | Title: Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx (Netbook Edition) — Hull LUG .::. Size~: 11.47 KB | Jun 02 10:47 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Why is Linux Today promoting Banshee? #mono http://is.gd/czoNU | Jun 02 10:52 | |
Techrights | Title: Linux Today - Banshee for MeeGo .::. Size~: 84.28 KB | Jun 02 10:52 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Xing was written mostly in assembler | Jun 02 10:54 |
DaemonFC | very fast but many quality problems | Jun 02 10:54 |
DaemonFC | Real bought the company that made Xing, fixed Xing, and now calls it the Helix MP3 Encoder | Jun 02 10:54 |
DaemonFC | it's included in Real Player | Jun 02 10:54 |
DaemonFC | but there's also standalone binaries | Jun 02 10:55 |
DaemonFC | and the source code is available under the Real Public Source License | Jun 02 10:55 |
DaemonFC | it encodes MP3s about five times faster than Lame | Jun 02 10:55 |
DaemonFC | but since the CD drive is the limiting factor, Helix is only useful for batch transcoding :) | Jun 02 10:55 |
schestowitz | "Real Public" | Jun 02 10:58 |
schestowitz | Sounds more real than real | Jun 02 10:58 |
schestowitz | "Hey man, this is REAL public, man" | Jun 02 10:59 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @satipera it promotes Windows in the ads, too | Jun 02 10:59 | |
schestowitz | http://twitter.com/esrtweet | Jun 02 11:05 |
Techrights | Title: Eric S. Raymond (esrtweet) on Twitter .::. Size~: 34.83 KB | Jun 02 11:05 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, http://www.opensource.org/licenses/real.php | Jun 02 11:14 |
Techrights | Title: Open Source Initiative OSI - RealNetworks Public Source License Version 1.0:Licensing | Open Source Initiative .::. Size~: 37.09 KB | Jun 02 11:14 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jun 02 11:14 |
DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealNetworks_Public_Source_License | Jun 02 11:15 |
Techrights | Title: RealNetworks Public Source License - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 25.76 KB | Jun 02 11:15 |
DaemonFC | "The RPSL is a free software license that is GPL-incompatible for a number of reasons: it requires that derivative works be licensed under the terms of the RPSL, and mandates that any litigation take place in Seattle, Washington." | Jun 02 11:16 |
MinceR | copyleft licenses tend to be mutually incompatible | Jun 02 11:16 |
DaemonFC | MinceR, Oddly enough..... | Jun 02 11:20 |
DaemonFC | the 32-bit version of Lame is partially written in assembler | Jun 02 11:20 |
DaemonFC | but the x86-64 version doesn't have that | Jun 02 11:20 |
DaemonFC | it's still faster though | Jun 02 11:20 |
DaemonFC | I think the 32-bit x86 version inherited the assembler from the GoGo fork way back when | Jun 02 11:21 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jun 02 11:21 |
DaemonFC | the problem with assembler is that even though it makes your application hella-fast, it appears to be very non-portable | Jun 02 11:22 |
DaemonFC | even to other versions of the same processor | Jun 02 11:22 |
DaemonFC | I take it that's why even the 64-bit version of Real Player has Helix MP3 Encoder, the encoder process itself is 32-bit | Jun 02 11:23 |
DaemonFC | as denotes by *32 in the task manager :) | Jun 02 11:23 |
MinceR | it's also a lot more troublesome to implement and maintain | Jun 02 11:23 |
MinceR | also, it takes a lot of skill and knowledge to produce better asm/machine code than what optimizing compilers do today | Jun 02 11:24 |
DaemonFC | meh, really depends on the compiler | Jun 02 11:25 |
DaemonFC | I've generally had good results with Visual Studio and GCC | Jun 02 11:26 |
MinceR | not with ICC? | Jun 02 11:27 |
DaemonFC | I can only speak for ICC on my Core 2 Duo | Jun 02 11:28 |
DaemonFC | never tried to run anything I made with it on an AMD processor | Jun 02 11:28 |
DaemonFC | wasn't Intel caught deliberately slowing down programs compiled with Intel compilers on AMD processors for no other reason than to try to make AMD look bad? | Jun 02 11:29 |
MinceR | dunno | Jun 02 11:30 |
MinceR | but if you want to omg-optimize, you'll have to target the actual processor model anyway | Jun 02 11:30 |
MinceR | at least up to the internal architecture (not the clock rate) | Jun 02 11:30 |
DaemonFC | I used a Phenom II X4 now | Jun 02 11:31 |
DaemonFC | it's far faster than the Core 2 Duo in my other system | Jun 02 11:31 |
DaemonFC | I was never really thrilled with that Core 2 Duo anyway | Jun 02 11:32 |
DaemonFC | seemed like I should have gotten more out of it for what I bought it for | Jun 02 11:32 |
DaemonFC | that's why I went back to AMD this time | Jun 02 11:33 |
DaemonFC | I've never really felt cheated by one of AMD's processors | Jun 02 11:33 |
DaemonFC | it is kind of sad to see them praising Microsoft and throwing Linux users to the wolves | Jun 02 11:34 |
DaemonFC | they appear to be reverting to the point where they referred to Linux as "freeware" | Jun 02 11:35 |
DaemonFC | :D | Jun 02 11:35 |
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MinceR | when i could choose between intel and amd, amd wasn't nearly reliable enough | Jun 02 11:35 |
MinceR | bbl, food | Jun 02 11:35 |
DaemonFC | "All living things must eat" | Jun 02 11:36 |
DaemonFC | -The Wraith Queen from the pilot of Stargate Atlantis | Jun 02 11:37 |
DaemonFC | "Unlike you, we don't...require...our food to agree with us." B-) | Jun 02 11:38 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Bing appears fairly neutral | Jun 02 11:39 |
DaemonFC | in Linux related searches | Jun 02 11:39 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Urgent: Contact MEPs on the EU's Unbalanced Copyright Report - http://bit.ly/9Kzqaa please act and RT #gallo #copyright | Jun 02 11:43 | |
Techrights | Title: Urgent: Contact MEPs on the EU's Unbalanced Copyright Report - Community - ComputerworldUK .::. Size~: 82.34 KB | Jun 02 11:43 |
DaemonFC | Google is buying ads on Bing | Jun 02 11:47 |
schestowitz | http://buildorpro.com/ | Jun 02 12:05 |
Techrights | Title: BuildorPro - next generation web design through the browser .::. Size~: 5.57 KB | Jun 02 12:05 |
schestowitz | There's no JS-based flash clone | Jun 02 12:05 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/01/enf_met_police/ | Jun 02 12:07 |
Techrights | Title: Met lab claims 'biggest breakthrough since Watergate' • The Register .::. Size~: 33.92 KB | Jun 02 12:07 |
DaemonFC | http://www.crackle.com/c/The_Fifth_Element/Clips_The_Fifth_Element_Gunfight/2474845 | Jun 02 12:10 |
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schestowitz | Just out: http://meta-activism.org/book/ | Jun 02 12:13 |
Techrights | Title: Read the Book : .::. Size~: 14.82 KB | Jun 02 12:13 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://thenextweb.com/apps/2010/06/01/wordpress-com-reblog/ | Jun 02 12:16 |
Techrights | Title: Wordpress.com Launches Ability To Like And Reblog Across Their Network .::. Size~: 69.55 KB | Jun 02 12:16 |
schestowitz | You have a blog there in Wordpress.com | Jun 02 12:16 |
schestowitz | My Wordpress.com is one of the very first | Jun 02 12:16 |
schestowitz | Maybe the first 10 (closed beta) :-) | Jun 02 12:16 |
schestowitz | Or maybe that was akismet, I can't remember | Jun 02 12:17 |
DaemonFC | hmm, this isn't good | Jun 02 12:17 |
DaemonFC | the sun just started to rise only to be blackened out by storm clouds | Jun 02 12:17 |
schestowitz | Oh, I was in the Akismet beta actually | Jun 02 12:17 |
DaemonFC | and the cat is running off to hide | Jun 02 12:18 |
DaemonFC | :P | Jun 02 12:18 |
schestowitz | I needed to set up a wordpress.com account for it | Jun 02 12:18 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: opposite here | Jun 02 12:18 |
schestowitz | Was foggy at 4am when I got up | Jun 02 12:18 |
schestowitz | Not all sunny | Jun 02 12:18 |
schestowitz | It was so foggy in the morning and it's expected to be bright till Friday now (says the plasmoid) | Jun 02 12:18 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1reZxckRF4 | Jun 02 12:19 |
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DaemonFC | tornado watch | Jun 02 12:20 |
DaemonFC | hail is falling | Jun 02 12:20 |
DaemonFC | hmmm | Jun 02 12:20 |
DaemonFC | at least the air coming in the window smells good | Jun 02 12:20 |
DaemonFC | pleasant way to die | Jun 02 12:20 |
DaemonFC | well, I guess I get to lose the satellite signal too | Jun 02 12:22 |
DaemonFC | at least I don't have satellite internet | Jun 02 12:22 |
DaemonFC | hmmm, can't decide if it wants to get the signal or not | Jun 02 12:23 |
DaemonFC | I might ask them to come out and see if they can re-align the dish | Jun 02 12:24 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I used to have my own personal rain cloud following me | Jun 02 12:25 |
DaemonFC | now they just get some from the temp agency per diem | Jun 02 12:25 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jun 02 12:25 |
schestowitz | Tornado is summer? | Jun 02 12:31 |
DaemonFC | yeah, it's tornado season | Jun 02 12:32 |
schestowitz | A lot of LinuxToday readers still don't know it has ads, me included " Adverts do not make it to my screen I am surprised by your news." http://identi.ca/conversation/34332880#notice-34501708 | Jun 02 12:34 |
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schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/34332880#notice-34502104 "Blimey, Linux Today does look different with all the adverts showing." | Jun 02 12:34 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @satipera me included | Jun 02 12:35 | |
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schestowitz | http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/05/30/Feelings-About-Companies | Jun 02 12:36 |
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schestowitz | Brands have no emotions | Jun 02 12:36 |
schestowitz | People think that if they work for a company critiics will blame some logo | Jun 02 12:36 |
schestowitz | it's people who make up the company | Jun 02 12:36 |
schestowitz | They are personally responsible for its actions too | Jun 02 12:37 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @richardfontana #SCOTUS issues opinions in 5 cases today - yet (you guessed it) still no #Bilski ! #swpats | Jun 02 12:38 | |
oiaohm | http://ostatic.com/blog/a-novell-auction-would-be-bad-for-open-source Boy people don't get it do they. | Jun 02 12:40 |
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oiaohm | The two greatest possible pushes of Linux in the future are intel and nokia. | Jun 02 12:40 |
oiaohm | Followed by google. | Jun 02 12:40 |
oiaohm | Redhat will be around but novell disappearing really will change nothing. | Jun 02 12:41 |
schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/30/india-heatwave-deaths | Jun 02 12:43 |
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schestowitz | oiaohm: yes | Jun 02 12:44 |
oiaohm | Most people have not noticed most of Novell actions have been disruptive. | Jun 02 12:47 |
oiaohm | Ie forking projects. | Jun 02 12:47 |
oiaohm | Like go-oo there fork of kvm and so on. | Jun 02 12:47 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: unlike wraiths, i'm not a parasite :> | Jun 02 12:55 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Have financial Web sites just decided that #RedHat *owns* Linux and "Chrome O/S" is separate? http://ur1.ca/04zb4 | Jun 02 12:57 | |
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oiaohm | Normal investor idiots don't know google has there own Linux they use internally. | Jun 02 12:58 |
DaemonFC | investors don't create anything, they just graze off other people's work | Jun 02 13:08 |
DaemonFC | is it surprising they don't know how any of it works? | Jun 02 13:08 |
schestowitz | They probably want to buy "LNUX" stocks | Jun 02 13:12 |
schestowitz | VA | Jun 02 13:13 |
schestowitz | "Wha?? It's not a company?? It can't succeed, no way." | Jun 02 13:13 |
MinceR | wishful thinking or just plain ignorance | Jun 02 13:14 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Wow, Canonical hiring like crazy.. Now looking for a Business Development Director http://bit.ly/d4AGPy | Jun 02 13:17 | |
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MinceR | which crApple cultist this time? | Jun 02 13:17 |
MinceR | or perhaps a m$ slave this time? | Jun 02 13:17 |
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schestowitz | http://pclinuxos2007.blogspot.com/2010/06/centos-55-left-me-clueless.html | Jun 02 13:22 |
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MinceR | wut | Jun 02 13:23 |
schestowitz | "Canonical hiring like crazy." | Jun 02 13:23 |
schestowitz | That's what people say in marketplaces like flea markets | Jun 02 13:23 |
MinceR | what exactly makes PCLinuxOS the "Big Daddy of all Desktop Linux Distributions"? | Jun 02 13:23 |
schestowitz | DOn't know | Jun 02 13:23 |
schestowitz | Mandriva based | Jun 02 13:23 |
schestowitz | Mandriva is good | Jun 02 13:23 |
schestowitz | PCLOS | Jun 02 13:23 |
schestowitz | too | Jun 02 13:23 |
schestowitz | But... | Jun 02 13:23 |
MinceR | last time i checked it was some unpolished hackjob | Jun 02 13:23 |
schestowitz | It still has parity with most rivals | Jun 02 13:24 |
MinceR | more so than mandriva | Jun 02 13:24 |
schestowitz | Mandriva is good | Jun 02 13:24 |
schestowitz | When did you try it? | Jun 02 13:24 |
schestowitz | Notice blog name | Jun 02 13:24 |
MinceR | well, its locale handling certainly isn't good | Jun 02 13:24 |
schestowitz | "pclinuxos2007" | Jun 02 13:24 |
schestowitz | MinceR: true | Jun 02 13:24 |
MinceR | i can't give you a date, it was after you recommended mandriva to me | Jun 02 13:24 |
schestowitz | Maybe 2008 | Jun 02 13:25 |
schestowitz | MinceR: http://intosimple.blogspot.com/2010/06/e17-review.html | Jun 02 13:26 |
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schestowitz | MinceR: also http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.4.4.php | Jun 02 13:28 |
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schestowitz | Both new | Jun 02 13:28 |
MinceR | ugly | Jun 02 13:29 |
MinceR | the case of e17 as of that post, that is | Jun 02 13:29 |
MinceR | perhaps i'll find myself without desktop compositing again | Jun 02 13:29 |
DaemonFC | a 44 ounce diet mt dew, a 16 ounce black coffee, and an apple-flavored cigar | Jun 02 13:35 |
DaemonFC | yay | Jun 02 13:35 |
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DaemonFC | http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/6337/picture8eo.jpg | Jun 02 13:41 |
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DaemonFC | perfect start to a perfect day | Jun 02 13:42 |
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schestowitz | http://maketecheasier.com/turn-ubuntu-lucid-mac-os-x/2010/06/01 | Jun 02 13:42 |
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Gremlin_ | hey all | Jun 02 13:42 |
schestowitz | Hey, Gremlin_ | Jun 02 13:42 |
Gremlin_ | schestowitz, just the man I was looking for :) | Jun 02 13:43 |
schestowitz | What's up, anonymous? | Jun 02 13:43 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: start of day? | Jun 02 13:43 |
schestowitz | You didn't sleep all night? | Jun 02 13:43 |
Gremlin_ | are you aware of ender2070's shenanigans? he's making this site look bad | Jun 02 13:43 |
schestowitz | I saw all sorts of things in his blog | Jun 02 13:44 |
schestowitz | I don't know who's who | Jun 02 13:44 |
Gremlin_ | nod | Jun 02 13:44 |
schestowitz | I don't like anonymous things generally | Jun 02 13:45 |
Gremlin_ | I've been following _Goblin's tweets which is how I even noticed it all | Jun 02 13:45 |
schestowitz | I don't even know who you are | Jun 02 13:45 |
schestowitz | I always post under my name | Jun 02 13:45 |
Gremlin_ | I know | Jun 02 13:45 |
MinceR | "Turn Your Ubuntu Lucid to Mac OS X" -- canonical will do that for you | Jun 02 13:45 |
schestowitz | Unless I tested something in IRC and then use "Roy" or something temporarily | Jun 02 13:45 |
Gremlin_ | I don't think your name itself has been dragged into the mud | Jun 02 13:45 |
schestowitz | I saw two readers fighting | Jun 02 13:46 |
schestowitz | I tries to explain to them they fight based on false premises | Jun 02 13:46 |
schestowitz | But they carried on fighting | Jun 02 13:46 |
Diablo-D3 | dude | Jun 02 13:46 |
schestowitz | And some got offended, not by me | Jun 02 13:46 |
Diablo-D3 | I once saw two jews fight over a penny | Jun 02 13:46 |
Diablo-D3 | its the same thing | Jun 02 13:46 |
MinceR | lol | Jun 02 13:46 |
DaemonFC | MinceR, not possible | Jun 02 13:46 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: different | Jun 02 13:46 |
Gremlin_ | I'm merely stating that ender070 editing/rewriting people's comments on his blog, accusing _Goblin of nymshifting, etc is just making everyone involved with TechRights look bad by association | Jun 02 13:47 |
DaemonFC | where would all the DRM and slowness come from? | Jun 02 13:47 |
DaemonFC | B-) | Jun 02 13:47 |
schestowitz | Jokes withstanding | Jun 02 13:47 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: they'll add the DRM, duh | Jun 02 13:47 |
Diablo-D3 | lol poor goblin | Jun 02 13:47 |
Diablo-D3 | he doesnt bother nameshifting | Jun 02 13:47 |
schestowitz | Gremlin_: I don't control what they do | Jun 02 13:47 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: also, they'll put mono code into the kernel | Jun 02 13:47 |
Gremlin_ | or at least that is my concern | Jun 02 13:47 |
schestowitz | And any attempt to do so would backfire | Jun 02 13:47 |
Gremlin_ | understood | Jun 02 13:47 |
DaemonFC | MinceR, Actually......that's technically possible | Jun 02 13:47 |
schestowitz | When I try to tell off people they turn against me | Jun 02 13:47 |
MinceR | indeed | Jun 02 13:47 |
schestowitz | So I'm just not intervening anymore | Jun 02 13:47 |
schestowitz | It worked OK | Jun 02 13:48 |
Gremlin_ | I'm just concerned about another "Mark Fink" episode | Jun 02 13:48 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: especially if they do a m$ and shovel more crap into kernel mode :> | Jun 02 13:48 |
schestowitz | For the past year or so we hardly got any flak based on libel and stuff | Jun 02 13:48 |
DaemonFC | but if Torvalds won't let anyone use C++, he's sure as hell not going to go for CLI-based languages | Jun 02 13:48 |
MinceR | (haven't happened yet, but after CSD i wouldn't be too surprised) | Jun 02 13:48 |
schestowitz | Gremlin_: blech. That Fink thing... I still wonder if it's just a nymshifter | Jun 02 13:48 |
schestowitz | I'll just take the same policy as Groklaw and not reply to any strangers | Jun 02 13:49 |
DaemonFC | MinceR, From what I've seen of CLI, it's actually not bad | Jun 02 13:49 |
DaemonFC | aside from the patent issues | Jun 02 13:49 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: gcc adopts c++ | Jun 02 13:49 |
schestowitz | Weird | Jun 02 13:49 |
Gremlin_ | well, I've been wondering if maybe ender2070 *is* Mark Fink, the way he continues to attack that Lefty guy | Jun 02 13:49 |
schestowitz | No way | Jun 02 13:49 |
Gremlin_ | ok | Jun 02 13:50 |
DaemonFC | the problems with languages that any moron can use is that morons tend to use them | Jun 02 13:50 |
schestowitz | He wouldn't pretend for a year or something | Jun 02 13:50 |
DaemonFC | and make really shitty programs with them | Jun 02 13:50 |
schestowitz | Too nutty an assumption | Jun 02 13:50 |
Gremlin_ | ok, was just a thought | Jun 02 13:50 |
schestowitz | I don't know all those trolls... Astrawhatever, fink | Jun 02 13:50 |
DaemonFC | MinceR, How long do you figure it'll take ATI to decide that CCC on Linux will depend on Mono? | Jun 02 13:50 |
MinceR | dunno | Jun 02 13:50 |
schestowitz | I know them like I know Microsoft AstroTurfes | Jun 02 13:50 |
Gremlin_ | you are probably right, it's best to stay uninvolved | Jun 02 13:50 |
schestowitz | hAl et al.. | Jun 02 13:51 |
schestowitz | SOme names and sometimes see here and there on the Web... | Jun 02 13:51 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@mirandacan no, #Obama's first job was to protect banks. Then big oil. THEN Israel. In other words, exactly what his predecessors did. | Jun 02 13:51 | |
MinceR | maybe i should research mono for the sole purpose of finding out how it sucks, besides the legal issues? :> | Jun 02 13:51 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I had someone comment on my blog | Jun 02 13:51 |
DaemonFC | four times | Jun 02 13:51 |
schestowitz | I think "thrWraith" is hAl | Jun 02 13:51 |
DaemonFC | on the same post | Jun 02 13:51 |
DaemonFC | in a row | Jun 02 13:51 |
schestowitz | But nobody has strong proof | Jun 02 13:51 |
DaemonFC | in defense of Radian6 | Jun 02 13:51 |
schestowitz | That OOXML stooge got away with it | Jun 02 13:51 |
MinceR | i wonder about "managed c++" | Jun 02 13:51 |
schestowitz | Probably nymshifted | Jun 02 13:51 |
DaemonFC | and Comcast astroturfing | Jun 02 13:51 |
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schestowitz | DaemonFC: got link? | Jun 02 13:52 |
schestowitz | hi, omar | Jun 02 13:52 |
DaemonFC | I haven't approved them | Jun 02 13:52 |
DaemonFC | I don't think I am going to | Jun 02 13:52 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Israel releases people it says are guilty of assault. What do you call someone released for political reasons; political freeman? #flotilla | Jun 02 13:52 | |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: which post? | Jun 02 13:52 |
schestowitz | What type of comment? | Jun 02 13:52 |
schestowitz | Let's expose | Jun 02 13:52 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: personal attacks? | Jun 02 13:52 |
DaemonFC | "For example, one method of “damage control” is to converse directly with the customer on issues and get them solved, and there is nothing wrong with that. While Comcast is kind of just spamming with standard statements, which is not exactly a good idea, it is still not astroturfing as it comes with disclosure" | Jun 02 13:53 |
schestowitz | Like the ones you got in YouTUbe when criticising Vista 7? | Jun 02 13:53 |
DaemonFC | Yuhong Bao | Jun 02 13:53 |
DaemonFC | yuhongbao_386@hotmail.com | Jun 02 13:53 |
DaemonFC | 96.253.143.208 | Jun 02 13:53 |
schestowitz | What????/ | Jun 02 13:53 |
schestowitz | Haha | Jun 02 13:53 |
schestowitz | He comments in our site too | Jun 02 13:53 |
schestowitz | But you know this | Jun 02 13:53 |
schestowitz | And he always defends that garbage | Jun 02 13:54 |
schestowitz | Also in RoughlyDrafted | Jun 02 13:54 |
schestowitz | which is critical of Microsoft | Jun 02 13:54 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@GaeMar01 Blair should be in charge of a very small, uncomfortable cell. Until he dies. And one day he will come to trial. #Iraq | Jun 02 13:54 | |
schestowitz | He's in Seattle, near Micorsoft | Jun 02 13:54 |
DaemonFC | my whole point was that if a company was providing good service, they wouldn't need a whole damage control department | Jun 02 13:54 |
MadRobot | Hi all. | Jun 02 13:55 |
DaemonFC | out to spam blogs with a "we can help" email address they don't reply to | Jun 02 13:55 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@MohannadKhairy A blockade does not legitimize the boarding of a #flotilla ship in international waters. // period. | Jun 02 13:55 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 he's busy advising on tech now. That tech genius!! ;-) | Jun 02 13:55 | |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: yeah | Jun 02 13:55 |
schestowitz | They also lobby heavily | Jun 02 13:55 |
schestowitz | See charts on tech lobby | Jun 02 13:55 |
schestowitz | AT&T and Comcast are /WAY/ up | Jun 02 13:55 |
schestowitz | Some companies behave | Jun 02 13:55 |
DaemonFC | yes, not that AT&T is the pillar of high ethical standards, but at least my DSL isn't slow and going down for no reason all the time | Jun 02 13:55 |
DaemonFC | and it's even a few bucks cheaper | Jun 02 13:56 |
schestowitz | And others take the strategy or "misbehave, make loads of money, then pay for PR/fine" | Jun 02 13:56 |
schestowitz | You know which one Microsoft falls under | Jun 02 13:56 |
schestowitz | Or GS and AIG | Jun 02 13:56 |
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DaemonFC | Comcast cable internet was costing me $57 a month + like $7 for "modem rental" | Jun 02 13:58 |
DaemonFC | the DSL is $45 and they don't throttle me | Jun 02 13:58 |
DaemonFC | :P | Jun 02 13:58 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @tomtomorrow Thomas Friedman's column this morning is one of the vilest things that vile man has written in a long time // lemme guess... | Jun 02 14:01 | |
DaemonFC | I've been looking over FhG's latest MP3 encoder and their new VBR scheme | Jun 02 14:01 |
DaemonFC | seems to act about like LAME if you pass the -Y argument | Jun 02 14:01 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jun 02 14:01 |
DaemonFC | ignore quantization noise in sfb21 if it will bloat the bitrate | Jun 02 14:02 |
DaemonFC | it hurts quality a little but it gets the file size down a lot | Jun 02 14:02 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@edwardvirtually am i only 1 who thinks it's outrageous gov has made boycotting #israel illegal? //no. not surprised either. fits a pattern | Jun 02 14:03 | |
DaemonFC | you're basically trusting the encoder to know what's noise and what isn't | Jun 02 14:03 |
DaemonFC | it creates a possibility that it will choose poorly | Jun 02 14:03 |
DaemonFC | not to say it will | Jun 02 14:03 |
DaemonFC | most users would never notice | Jun 02 14:04 |
DaemonFC | I'm just surprised it took them until 2008 to implement Variable Bitrate | Jun 02 14:05 |
DaemonFC | LAME has had that since 2000 | Jun 02 14:05 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Microsoft is still using FhG's 1.4 encoder | Jun 02 14:06 |
DaemonFC | constant bitrate only, quality issues | Jun 02 14:06 |
DaemonFC | so is iTunes | Jun 02 14:07 |
DaemonFC | people wonder why I sometimes download FLACs to make MP3s out of | Jun 02 14:07 |
DaemonFC | that's why | Jun 02 14:07 |
DaemonFC | too many users of Windows Media Player and iTunes out there | Jun 02 14:08 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@MohannadKhairy Liebovitch says iron bars are threatening to #Israel's soldiers //what was armed #IDF DOING on someone else's BOAT?! | Jun 02 14:08 | |
DaemonFC | I remember that up until Windows Media Player 9, Microsoft was hiding that it could encode MP3s | Jun 02 14:09 |
DaemonFC | you have to screw around in the registry to unhide that | Jun 02 14:09 |
DaemonFC | but it's been able to since Windows Media Player 7 | Jun 02 14:09 |
DaemonFC | but yeah, WMP's MP3 encoder is essentially untouched since Windows Me shipped in 2000 | Jun 02 14:10 |
DaemonFC | truly awful piece of crap | Jun 02 14:10 |
schestowitz | Wait a sec... | Jun 02 14:11 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I still have my boxed set of Windows Me around here somewhere with the "Thank you for beta testing Windows Millenium, we hope you enjoy this token of our thanks" | Jun 02 14:11 |
schestowitz | That's the same group that promoted OOXML several times | Jun 02 14:12 |
schestowitz | With Microsoft funding | Jun 02 14:12 |
schestowitz | So here's another way for Microsoft to pay them | Jun 02 14:12 |
schestowitz | [14:11] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, I still have my boxed set of Windows Me around here somewhere with the "Thank you for beta testing Windows Millenium, we hope you enjoy this token of our thanks" | Jun 02 14:12 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Office 2010 correctly supports ODF near as I can tell | Jun 02 14:12 |
schestowitz | It's still being tested | Jun 02 14:12 |
schestowitz | Indefinitely | Jun 02 14:12 |
DaemonFC | if you want to buy a $200 office suite for that | Jun 02 14:12 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: no | Jun 02 14:12 |
schestowitz | It's not ODF | Jun 02 14:12 |
schestowitz | It uses OOXML/.DOC parts | Jun 02 14:12 |
schestowitz | E.g. for equations | Jun 02 14:13 |
schestowitz | So it makes other suites bard | Jun 02 14:13 |
schestowitz | *barf | Jun 02 14:13 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Mossad Chief "Bit by bit Israel is turning into more of a burden than asset for the US" http://is.gd/czAFV #flotilla #Gaza #occupation | Jun 02 14:13 | |
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DaemonFC | they sneak in their own crap to poison it with and save it with ODF extensions? | Jun 02 14:13 |
DaemonFC | why isn't anyone suing them? | Jun 02 14:13 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] So who's #Obama asking for 'details'? #Israel? or the 600 eyewitnesses from all nations? (Wonder if any of them were threatened?) | Jun 02 14:17 | |
DaemonFC | Lame 3.99 Alpha 9 is out as of this morning | Jun 02 14:21 |
*DaemonFC grabs | Jun 02 14:23 | |
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schestowitz | DaemonFC: IBM won't sue | Jun 02 14:29 |
DaemonFC | hmmm, they're working on the VBR code again some more | Jun 02 14:30 |
DaemonFC | :D | Jun 02 14:30 |
DaemonFC | it also now accepts FLAC input | Jun 02 14:31 |
DaemonFC | and they removed the album art size limit in the id3 tags | Jun 02 14:31 |
DaemonFC | lmao | Jun 02 14:32 |
DaemonFC | they've really done a number on their bit reservoir handling | Jun 02 14:32 |
DaemonFC | 3.99 might be a pretty newsworthy release :) | Jun 02 14:33 |
DaemonFC | now if those peckerheads working on Gstreamer will fix their shit, LAME might be usable there | Jun 02 14:34 |
DaemonFC | interestingly enough, schestowitz, that's one big argument in favor of KDE right there | Jun 02 14:34 |
DaemonFC | it addresses LAME directly without trying to half-bake it in as a plug-in for a completely foreign media framework | Jun 02 14:35 |
DaemonFC | when you rip a CD from within Konqueror, K3B, etc. | Jun 02 14:36 |
DaemonFC | Gstreamer LAME imposes a bunch of arbitrary and inexplicable settings on you that hurt quality a lot | Jun 02 14:36 |
DaemonFC | they also seem to have jacked up the lowpass setting a lot without upping the overall bitrate | Jun 02 14:45 |
DaemonFC | interesting | Jun 02 14:45 |
DaemonFC | if they were better about regularly updating the changelog....... | Jun 02 14:45 |
DaemonFC | :P | Jun 02 14:45 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@tomtomorrow appalled by Friedman //he's been plying this neocon crap for years. just a useful idiot. #iraq booster. special place in hell | Jun 02 14:47 | |
schestowitz | oiaohm: maybe Nokia or Intel will buy Novell | Jun 02 14:47 |
schestowitz | MeeGo announcement | Jun 02 14:48 |
schestowitz | Would Intel benefit in any way? | Jun 02 14:48 |
DaemonFC | probably not | Jun 02 14:49 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: I assume you covered how Google has banned Windows | Jun 02 14:49 |
sebsebseb | not read that yet | Jun 02 14:49 |
sebsebseb | yours | Jun 02 14:49 |
sebsebseb | ,but other stuff yeah :) | Jun 02 14:49 |
DaemonFC | unless they bought them to get patents | Jun 02 14:49 |
DaemonFC | why would anyone want to buy Suse? | Jun 02 14:49 |
DaemonFC | that's the only other thing Novell has | Jun 02 14:49 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@tomorrow it's essentially Friedman that turned me off the #NYT forever. ~2003. it's all worthless. #neocon #iraq #gaza #freedomflotilla | Jun 02 14:50 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@tomtomorrow it's essentially Friedman that turned me off the #NYT forever. ~2003. it's all worthless. #neocon #iraq #gaza #freedomflotilla | Jun 02 14:50 | |
schestowitz | Novell keeps throwing this one at Google NEws: http://whitepapers.techrepublic.com.com/abstract.aspx?docid=1006335&promo=100503 | Jun 02 14:50 |
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schestowitz | sebsebseb: yes | Jun 02 14:50 |
schestowitz | followup coming too | Jun 02 14:50 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Lame 3.99 is an epic win | Jun 02 14:50 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jun 02 14:50 |
DaemonFC | that's my verdict | Jun 02 14:50 |
schestowitz | I hardly use it directly | Jun 02 14:51 |
schestowitz | I did before | Jun 02 14:51 |
schestowitz | But anyway, you're on Windows | Jun 02 14:51 |
schestowitz | Why don't you actually try KDE 4.4.4? | Jun 02 14:51 |
schestowitz | Just been release | Jun 02 14:51 |
schestowitz | http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.4.4.php | Jun 02 14:51 |
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DaemonFC | comparing it to 3.98, I see a number of small improvements that have a cumulative effect | Jun 02 14:51 |
schestowitz | Try the Windows version | Jun 02 14:51 |
schestowitz | See what happened | Jun 02 14:51 |
schestowitz | http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/microsoft-and-novell-collaborate-to-deliver-hybrid-options-for-high-performance-computing-95296474.html | Jun 02 14:52 |
DaemonFC | the Windows version is a bunch of apps that barely work | Jun 02 14:52 |
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schestowitz | Microvell | Jun 02 14:52 |
DaemonFC | I tried KDE 4.2 for Windows back when I had Vista | Jun 02 14:52 |
DaemonFC | I remember a while back, LAME had to do a point release to fix an issue where LAME-encoded MP3 files were crashing Windows Media Player | Jun 02 14:54 |
DaemonFC | the flaw was in Windows Media Player's decoder not conforming to ISO specifications | Jun 02 14:54 |
DaemonFC | and LAME obeying the ISO specifications | Jun 02 14:54 |
DaemonFC | so all MP3 encoders must break from the MP3 standard to avoid crashing Windows Media Player apparently | Jun 02 14:55 |
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DaemonFC | apparently the MAFIAA uses LAME to make their MP3s for music stores like Amazon | Jun 02 14:58 |
DaemonFC | but they're using an old version (3.96) | Jun 02 14:58 |
DaemonFC | and I wonder if they paid the MPEG Cartel the license fee :P | Jun 02 14:58 |
DaemonFC | housecat, the styrofoam cup's only natural predator | Jun 02 15:06 |
DaemonFC | :P | Jun 02 15:06 |
DaemonFC | slowly Jabba stalks his prey | Jun 02 15:06 |
DaemonFC | quietly, patiently | Jun 02 15:06 |
DaemonFC | before the Pak a Sak Big Gulp knows what's happening, it's all over | Jun 02 15:06 |
DaemonFC | Jabba's fangs sunk deep within | Jun 02 15:07 |
schestowitz | MAFIAA attacks vp8 now | Jun 02 15:07 |
schestowitz | Firefox news just in,.... | Jun 02 15:07 |
DaemonFC | tired from the hunt and kill, Jabba goes to find a place to sleep for 4 hours | Jun 02 15:07 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jun 02 15:07 |
schestowitz | JabbaScript | Jun 02 15:07 |
DaemonFC | /cheesy British accent mocking NatGeo | Jun 02 15:07 |
DaemonFC | :D | Jun 02 15:08 |
schestowitz | Jabba is a resource hog | Jun 02 15:08 |
DaemonFC | http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/6421/picture15t.jpg | Jun 02 15:09 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] @_Goblin Another freebie: http://techdirt.com/articles/20100601/0222219636.shtml | Jun 02 15:11 | |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, I don't see how cats are supposed to lower blood pressure | Jun 02 15:13 |
DaemonFC | he's probably raised mine 10 points | Jun 02 15:13 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @Mondoweiss RT @dimireider: #Israel radio host Irit Linor:"We gonna sink that #rachelcorrie boat." // they think they are untouchable! | Jun 02 15:18 | |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, I just ran the same track through Windows Media Player's MP3 encoder and the other through LAME 3.99a9 | Jun 02 15:18 |
DaemonFC | the Windows Media Player MP3 sounds like total crap | Jun 02 15:19 |
DaemonFC | even though both files turned out the same size | Jun 02 15:19 |
DaemonFC | I should post this somewhere as an example of how bad Windows Media Player sucks | Jun 02 15:19 |
DaemonFC | it even manages to corrupt the last frame | Jun 02 15:21 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@edwardvirtually indeed. Foreign navy escort is the obvious, only, way forward. This will put #US & #UK!) in a rather interesting position. | Jun 02 15:22 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Peter Popoff is the one of the best examples I know of where criminals are staying out of prison http://ur1.ca/0506i #fraud | Jun 02 15:24 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@mirandacan Therefore, as now, #Israel officials will simply take care not to be arrested (eg Livni already risks arrest in #UK & #Europe) | Jun 02 15:27 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @schestowitz In God we trust inc | Jun 02 15:31 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@mirandacan I am certain #Israel has already gone far enough to have their officials sentenced in absentia. Better not make things worse. | Jun 02 15:34 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@mirandacan I don't think #US would use force against #ICC to free #Israel citizens. And I think Israel knows it. | Jun 02 15:35 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@mirandacan so the end result of this crime will be effective 'house arrest' for Israeli administration; they cd no longer travel very far. | Jun 02 15:36 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@mirandacan the same kind of 'house arrest' that Kissinger currently enjoys. That old war criminal cannot travel to France any more. :):):) | Jun 02 15:37 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@mirandacan this is where Europe is underestimated by the US/Israel cabal. They expect threats to work. They won't work, beyond a point | Jun 02 15:41 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@mirandacan Yes, Europe is the deciding factor. US won't act, as we see now. | Jun 02 15:42 | |
DaemonFC | oh my god...... | Jun 02 15:43 |
DaemonFC | this just keeps getting better | Jun 02 15:43 |
DaemonFC | Windows Media Player encoding mp3 uses left and right stereo | Jun 02 15:43 |
DaemonFC | no frames encoded mid/side | Jun 02 15:43 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@mirandacan My best guess is that a Turkish naval escort will open fire to prevent next boarding. What will #US/#UK do then? #rachelcorrie | Jun 02 15:44 | |
DaemonFC | talk about a waste of bits for no reason | Jun 02 15:45 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Should #Turkey prepare for a nuclear attack from #Israel after it defends the next humanitarian flotilla from another fatal pirate boarding? | Jun 02 15:49 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@mirandacan see @gwbprosecution for an american effort. There are many war criminals roaming free. They say: Justice is SURE, but very SLOW | Jun 02 15:51 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Thank you so much for all the emails re: free resourcess, but Ive already got enough to keep me busy for the next year!...after Ive compiled | Jun 02 15:52 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @qu1j0t3 No, everyone knows microwaved turkey is a bad idea. :P | Jun 02 15:52 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] the list, maybe you could mail with corrections/additions then...Thank you so much, but I can't handle any more material!!!! | Jun 02 15:53 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@Tosfm #Flotillalie Israel built detaining areas to check boats 4 weapons //CAMERAS are even MORE dangerous to #israel than guns right now | Jun 02 15:53 | |
DaemonFC | I'm just glad I'm on the other side of the planet from Israel and their Arab neighbors | Jun 02 15:54 |
DaemonFC | they want to nuke each other, that's great | Jun 02 15:54 |
DaemonFC | leave me out of it :) | Jun 02 15:54 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I don't believe that fallout is necessarily a bad thing | Jun 02 15:55 |
schestowitz | YouTube is shoving sex ads in people's videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiYaeWTljPg | Jun 02 15:55 |
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DaemonFC | every time there's a bunch of it, humans stay far away and nature thrives | Jun 02 15:55 |
DaemonFC | you ever notice that? | Jun 02 15:56 |
DaemonFC | like it might be a pattern? | Jun 02 15:56 |
schestowitz | Yeah | Jun 02 15:56 |
schestowitz | Depends what you mean by nature | Jun 02 15:56 |
DaemonFC | Bikini Atoll | Jun 02 15:56 |
schestowitz | If floating dead animals in the ocean is nature, then we do well | Jun 02 15:56 |
DaemonFC | look it up | Jun 02 15:57 |
schestowitz | I know it | Jun 02 15:57 |
DaemonFC | the coconuts are fucking radioactive decades later | Jun 02 15:57 |
DaemonFC | humans can't live there | Jun 02 15:57 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@mirandacan yes. Funny thing about #hubris. It's eventually fatal. But what damage can be done in the meantime... | Jun 02 15:57 | |
DaemonFC | everything else sure it | Jun 02 15:57 |
DaemonFC | *is | Jun 02 15:57 |
schestowitz | What about czar bomb? | Jun 02 15:57 |
DaemonFC | what about it? | Jun 02 15:57 |
schestowitz | Much bigger | Jun 02 15:57 |
schestowitz | How many on bikini? | Jun 02 15:57 |
DaemonFC | yes, largest thermonuclear detonation ever | Jun 02 15:57 |
DaemonFC | uhhhm | Jun 02 15:57 |
schestowitz | It's on YouTUbe | Jun 02 15:58 |
schestowitz | Hold on. | Jun 02 15:58 |
DaemonFC | well, Castle Bravo was our biggest I think | Jun 02 15:58 |
DaemonFC | then there was Ivy Mike | Jun 02 15:58 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@mirandacan we fight for what #justice we can get. Sometimes it takes 40 yrs. Google: "Balthazar Garzón" | Jun 02 15:58 | |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUIMgbXOmJg | Jun 02 15:58 |
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DaemonFC | has the UK ever tested a nuke? | Jun 02 15:58 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Surprising what one can find on peoples Twitter profiles....so much untapped talent out there... | Jun 02 15:59 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@mirandacan we fight for what #justice we can get. Sometimes it takes 40 yrs. Google: "Baltasar Garzón" | Jun 02 15:59 | |
DaemonFC | ender2070 is being an ass | Jun 02 15:59 |
DaemonFC | I happen to think that if there's two people left on Earth and one is a Jew and one is a Muslim, there's going to be war | Jun 02 16:00 |
DaemonFC | The British are all like "Hey, let's move them in over here right in the middle of everyone that wants to kill them" | Jun 02 16:02 |
DaemonFC | then the Americans say "Now lets arm them to the fucking teeth with all our modern weapons so that even though they're outnumbered, their equipment is 30 years newer" | Jun 02 16:02 |
DaemonFC | then the rest of the world says "Hey, let's get together at the UN and try to beat concessions out of both sides that will keep the tension going and call it peace talks" | Jun 02 16:03 |
DaemonFC | :D | Jun 02 16:03 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Does that make any sense to you? | Jun 02 16:04 |
DaemonFC | I happen to think the rest of the world is in cahoots to keep the middle east in infighting | Jun 02 16:05 |
schestowitz | A bunch of idiots getting radiated: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNcQX033V_M&NR=1&feature=fvwp | Jun 02 16:08 |
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schestowitz | Didn't they know about leukaemia and cancer back then? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNcQX033V_M&NR=1&feature=fvwp | Jun 02 16:09 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Lego printer. http://www.b3ta.com/links/Lego_printer *WILD APPLAUSE* | Jun 02 16:09 | |
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schestowitz | Some French troops were knowingly exposed, Reuters (IIRC) revealed last year | Jun 02 16:09 |
DaemonFC | they were smoking unfiltered Camel cigarettes and putting Asbestos in their houses | Jun 02 16:10 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: there is a strategic outpost there | Jun 02 16:10 |
DaemonFC | there was lead in the gasoline | Jun 02 16:10 |
schestowitz | In the 1950s the British and Americans overthrew Iranian folks | Jun 02 16:10 |
DaemonFC | there was lead in the house paint | Jun 02 16:10 |
schestowitz | But now they have a proxy | Jun 02 16:10 |
schestowitz | And in any case, they _do not_ depend on that oil | Jun 02 16:10 |
DaemonFC | there was lead in the refrigerator lining | Jun 02 16:10 |
schestowitz | They can use nuclear energy and oil too if necessary. | Jun 02 16:10 |
DaemonFC | there was a latch on the fridge so that kids could climb in and die | Jun 02 16:11 |
schestowitz | I think only a third of the oil come from the east | Jun 02 16:11 |
DaemonFC | you're accusing people in the mid 20th century of being smart? | Jun 02 16:11 |
DaemonFC | guess again | Jun 02 16:11 |
schestowitz | It's a common misconception about where oil comes from... Skeptoid has a decent episode about it | Jun 02 16:11 |
DaemonFC | it comes from Jesus | Jun 02 16:11 |
DaemonFC | now shut up and prayh for more | Jun 02 16:11 |
DaemonFC | :P | Jun 02 16:11 |
schestowitz | Some of the people who were there still are alive, DaemonFC | Jun 02 16:12 |
schestowitz | 1952 in that h bomb experiment | Jun 02 16:12 |
schestowitz | So some who were 18 back then would still be around, unless cancer beat them to it | Jun 02 16:12 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, The federal government dumped radioactive ash over Fort Wayne | Jun 02 16:12 |
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DaemonFC | to see what the elevated background radiation would do to people | Jun 02 16:13 |
schestowitz | Why not Manhattan? | Jun 02 16:13 |
schestowitz | /sarcasm | Jun 02 16:13 |
schestowitz | They always dump where poor people live... Monsanto too | Jun 02 16:13 |
schestowitz | Then they settle cheaply | Jun 02 16:13 |
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schestowitz | After people realise what had been done | Jun 02 16:13 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: your Ubuntu mate is back | Jun 02 16:13 |
DaemonFC | no government is beyond cruel and unethical covert experiments on their own civilians | Jun 02 16:13 |
DaemonFC | just remember that | Jun 02 16:13 |
schestowitz | They are property | Jun 02 16:13 |
schestowitz | To be trained, experimented with, and used as cannon fodder+production | Jun 02 16:14 |
schestowitz | Remember how the US cherry picked Werner Vonn Braun and his buddies | Jun 02 16:14 |
schestowitz | Then groomed him | Jun 02 16:14 |
DaemonFC | yes, a high ranking Nazi SS officer | Jun 02 16:14 |
schestowitz | They wanted him to build those bomb he made for Londoners... | Jun 02 16:14 |
DaemonFC | who lived out the rest of his life in comfort as a guest of the US government | Jun 02 16:14 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: no, not anymore | Jun 02 16:14 |
schestowitz | They whitewashed him | Jun 02 16:14 |
schestowitz | He was just a "hobbyist" | Jun 02 16:15 |
schestowitz | Apolitical | Jun 02 16:15 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: hold on... | Jun 02 16:15 |
schestowitz | I have a good thing about it... | Jun 02 16:15 |
schestowitz | I think you did see those films before, but stil.... | Jun 02 16:15 |
DaemonFC | the ethical thing to do would have been to hang him for his crimes | Jun 02 16:15 |
DaemonFC | right next to his SS buddies | Jun 02 16:15 |
DaemonFC | but he had something valuable | Jun 02 16:15 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJ9HrZq7Ro | Jun 02 16:15 |
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DaemonFC | so he was spared | Jun 02 16:15 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, that's what they would have done if they couldn't exploit his knowledge | Jun 02 16:16 |
DaemonFC | the logic as the US government uses is they were terrified the Soviets would get him first | Jun 02 16:16 |
DaemonFC | hanging him eliminates the problem | Jun 02 16:16 |
DaemonFC | wouldn't you agree? | Jun 02 16:16 |
schestowitz | Then again, IBM and Senior Bush did trade with them too, as long as it paid | Jun 02 16:16 |
schestowitz | Microsoft is now doing business with rogue regimes | Jun 02 16:16 |
schestowitz | And defending them | Jun 02 16:16 |
DaemonFC | Iran is moving over to Linux | Jun 02 16:17 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: but that would have left the Soviets to proudly land on the moon first | Jun 02 16:17 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: now you give Microsoft FUD ammo | Jun 02 16:17 |
DaemonFC | I wouldn't say it was wise to rely on pirated copies of Windows on their government computers to begin with | Jun 02 16:17 |
schestowitz | Enderle uses that stuff | Jun 02 16:17 |
schestowitz | Like Cuba=Linux=Cuba | Jun 02 16:17 |
DaemonFC | no telling what was getting phoned home to the US government viaq Microsoft | Jun 02 16:17 |
DaemonFC | the US government is probably paying Microsoft to NOT deactivate the Windows copies in Iran | Jun 02 16:18 |
DaemonFC | if you want my opinion | Jun 02 16:18 |
DaemonFC | there's so many things in Windows that send encrypted data back and forth with Microsoft servers | Jun 02 16:19 |
DaemonFC | they could be taking anything they want and you'd never know it | Jun 02 16:19 |
schestowitz | Heh | Jun 02 16:21 |
DaemonFC | I wonder if my DrugDealer account still works | Jun 02 16:21 |
schestowitz | I reckon it's not a subject they want discussed | Jun 02 16:21 |
schestowitz | Like when the NSA's work on WIndows is brought up | Jun 02 16:22 |
schestowitz | Reponses range from humour to ignoring them | Jun 02 16:22 |
schestowitz | Jokes or namecalling (paranoid etc.) always disperse curiosity | Jun 02 16:22 |
schestowitz | Oh, remember those assassinations from Israel... with fake passport thing? | Jun 02 16:23 |
schestowitz | They denied that using humour at first, as though they think it's comedy | Jun 02 16:23 |
schestowitz | And Microsoft plays with similar type or PR | Jun 02 16:23 |
schestowitz | See their denial of Ballmer at Apple's event | Jun 02 16:23 |
schestowitz | Where did the rumour come from in the first place? | Jun 02 16:23 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Check this out | Jun 02 16:23 |
schestowitz | It's the time of thing that puts off Apple fans | Jun 02 16:24 |
DaemonFC | http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/3682/42970745.png | Jun 02 16:24 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, feel free to use that serial if you want | Jun 02 16:28 |
DaemonFC | ;) | Jun 02 16:28 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgSqcUwEtDU | Jun 02 16:33 |
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schestowitz | I didn't know that existed | Jun 02 16:33 |
schestowitz | Maybe exaggerated | Jun 02 16:33 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shT08RGPO5U | Jun 02 16:39 |
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DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methuselah_(tree) | Jun 02 16:39 |
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DaemonFC | http://www.all4mp3.com/Learn_mp3_d_1.aspx | Jun 02 16:43 |
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DaemonFC | there you go, schestowitz | Jun 02 16:43 |
DaemonFC | they invented the equalizer | Jun 02 16:43 |
DaemonFC | it's all over | Jun 02 16:43 |
DaemonFC | they own everything... | Jun 02 16:44 |
DaemonFC | :D | Jun 02 16:44 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYIxIzXi9xg | Jun 02 16:44 |
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schestowitz | See? | Jun 02 16:44 |
schestowitz | Can't do that with cats | Jun 02 16:44 |
schestowitz | Can't have them hibernate for a while when you get bored | Jun 02 16:44 |
schestowitz | But who owns turtles as pets? | Jun 02 16:44 |
DaemonFC | who owns giant snakes that cruch their children's throat in the middle of the night and no criminal charges are pressed against the parent for negligence? | Jun 02 16:45 |
DaemonFC | oh wait.... | Jun 02 16:45 |
DaemonFC | *crush | Jun 02 16:45 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7m3AYEVB_8&feature=PlayList&p=098D78DD1A178985&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=5 | Jun 02 16:47 |
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schestowitz | This is a good series | Jun 02 16:47 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkRMwjLo-m0&feature=PlayList&p=098D78DD1A178985&playnext_from=PL&playnext=8 | Jun 02 17:03 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Gently down the stream [pic] http://ff.im/llZJk | Jun 02 17:39 | |
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DaemonFC | "I find that 3cc's [of morphine] dulls the pain while keeping my testimony valid" | Jun 02 17:40 |
DaemonFC | lol | Jun 02 17:40 |
DaemonFC | http://www.reactos.org/en/newsletter_72.html | Jun 02 17:41 |
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DaemonFC | ReactOS is the project that never gets anywhere it seems | Jun 02 17:44 |
MinceR | does anyone need it to get anywhere? :> | Jun 02 17:47 |
oiaohm | MinceR: It would be the final nail in cofin of MS. | Jun 02 17:48 |
MinceR | i doubt that | Jun 02 17:48 |
MinceR | is it more compatible than wine? | Jun 02 17:48 |
oiaohm | For things using drivers yes. | Jun 02 17:49 |
MinceR | and for anything else? | Jun 02 17:49 |
oiaohm | Really does there need to be anything else when that includes copy protection drivers. | Jun 02 17:49 |
oiaohm | ie games. | Jun 02 17:49 |
MinceR | if those survive for long, that is | Jun 02 17:50 |
oiaohm | Big issue with reactos is that it don't support 16 bit code at all. | Jun 02 17:52 |
oiaohm | I see reactos as the final gap filler. | Jun 02 17:52 |
oiaohm | Now by the time they make the final gap filler it might be like the freedos project. | Jun 02 17:53 |
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oiaohm | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/06/google-blocks-tetris-clones-from-android-market.ars Trademarks can be worse than patents | Jun 02 17:59 |
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oiaohm | Data Liberation Front << I always wondered who that was. Should have guessed Google http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2010051221110987 | Jun 02 18:06 |
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DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/06/the-riaa-amateurs-heres-how-you-sue-p2p-users.ars | Jun 02 18:09 |
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oiaohm | If lawyers find it good money the trend will increase. | Jun 02 18:12 |
oiaohm | Heck movie makers might make more money out of pirate copies than people buying them. | Jun 02 18:12 |
MinceR | that's not sustainable. | Jun 02 18:16 |
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DaemonFC | oiaohm, I'd put up copies of my own movies | Jun 02 18:16 |
DaemonFC | then sue anyone taking them | Jun 02 18:16 |
oiaohm | Yep exactly. | Jun 02 18:17 |
oiaohm | No one has checked the legality of doing that. But it could be perfectly legal DaemonFC | Jun 02 18:18 |
oiaohm | MinceR: why not do you think people will some how grow a brain and stop pirating stuff. | Jun 02 18:18 |
oiaohm | If they can collect enough money the hunt system can become investment funded. | Jun 02 18:19 |
MinceR | are you implying that people who download stuff illegally lack a brain? | Jun 02 18:19 |
oiaohm | Lot of them end up virus infected doing so. MinceR | Jun 02 18:20 |
oiaohm | Does not take much of a brain to say hey download something and put it a side for 6 months then scan it. | Jun 02 18:20 |
MinceR | then it is you who needs to grow a brain. | Jun 02 18:21 |
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MinceR | also, this method will only make people move to more secure (and less efficient) p2p filesharing systems. | Jun 02 18:21 |
oiaohm | less efficient means video companies win. | Jun 02 18:21 |
MinceR | and potentially employ more means to protect their anonymity. | Jun 02 18:21 |
MinceR | nope | Jun 02 18:22 |
MinceR | less efficient means ISPs win. | Jun 02 18:22 |
MinceR | (and/or downloading a movie takes a little more time, like it did a few years ago -- so what?) | Jun 02 18:22 |
oiaohm | ISP winning means ISP have more money to run there own direct channels to users. | Jun 02 18:23 |
MinceR | also remember that people can still swap content privately, they can't find that out | Jun 02 18:23 |
oiaohm | So ISP have money to buy content. | Jun 02 18:23 |
oiaohm | So movie makers win in the end. | Jun 02 18:23 |
MinceR | also remember that it is now most likely possible to build wifi mesh networks in cities. :> | Jun 02 18:23 |
MinceR | not all ISPs are interested in becoming content providers. | Jun 02 18:23 |
oiaohm | More will be. As more ISP's start providing there own PVR's. | Jun 02 18:24 |
MinceR | the size of individual files has grown and it didn't make the MAFIAA win -- why would it do so now? | Jun 02 18:24 |
MinceR | we've come a long way from dialup | Jun 02 18:24 |
oiaohm | Its called keeping up with the competition. | Jun 02 18:25 |
MinceR | none of it meant a victory for the MAFIAA. | Jun 02 18:25 |
DaemonFC | meh, rough economy, most people are one missed paycheck away from strip searching the rats for cheese | Jun 02 18:26 |
MinceR | lol | Jun 02 18:26 |
DaemonFC | and the MAFIAA thinks they all have $25 for a blu ray | Jun 02 18:26 |
DaemonFC | or $15 for a CD | Jun 02 18:26 |
MinceR | there's another point | Jun 02 18:26 |
oiaohm | Have you not worked out conditions of getting content can include handing over information on users. | Jun 02 18:26 |
MinceR | many people will stop accessing all that "content" before they'd consider buying them. | Jun 02 18:26 |
oiaohm | MAFIAA does not have to win for movie makers win. | Jun 02 18:26 |
MinceR | movie makers are one half of MAFIAA | Jun 02 18:26 |
MinceR | record companies are the other half | Jun 02 18:27 |
oiaohm | Does not matter MinceR | Jun 02 18:27 |
DaemonFC | MinceR, I believe that even if the MAFIAA obliterated all file sharing permanently, somehow, that their sales would not go up all that much | Jun 02 18:27 |
DaemonFC | most people pirate it because they don't think it's worth the price it sells for | Jun 02 18:27 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jun 02 18:27 |
MinceR | handing over information on users will matter nothing if the users protect their anonymity from their ISPs (say, via VPNs) | Jun 02 18:27 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: clueful people tend to know that. | Jun 02 18:27 |
oiaohm | Ok how do you hide a VPN link. | Jun 02 18:28 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: it's the MAFIAA who don't | Jun 02 18:28 |
MinceR | oiaohm: i don't hide the link, i hide the traffic that goes on in it. duh. | Jun 02 18:28 |
oiaohm | You just answered the problem. | Jun 02 18:28 |
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MinceR | yes, i've just described a solution | Jun 02 18:28 |
DaemonFC | MinceR, digital formats scare the shit out of MAFIAA | Jun 02 18:28 |
oiaohm | You see a user connecting to pirate bay vpn. | Jun 02 18:28 |
DaemonFC | they don't degrade | Jun 02 18:29 |
oiaohm | Now would that be normal. | Jun 02 18:29 |
DaemonFC | you can make as many identical copies as you want | Jun 02 18:29 |
MinceR | oiaohm: nope, you see a user connecting to one of many VPN services outside the country | Jun 02 18:29 |
DaemonFC | this isn't selling you cassette tapes and replacement CDs over and over anymore | Jun 02 18:29 |
MinceR | oiaohm: or are you suggesting that people who connect to VPN for work will also be investigated? or cut off? | Jun 02 18:29 |
oiaohm | Again would that be normal. For legal and above board people. MinceR | Jun 02 18:29 |
MinceR | you can't even begin to imagine the backlash that would cause. :> | Jun 02 18:29 |
oiaohm | Some ISP it is against the rules to use a non approve vpn's. MinceR | Jun 02 18:29 |
MinceR | that's far from the norm | Jun 02 18:30 |
DaemonFC | even my dad mentioned that at one point | Jun 02 18:30 |
DaemonFC | they're freaking out because the media is becoming less defective | Jun 02 18:30 |
MinceR | and if data retention wins, you'll see much more of these services even outside filesharing. | Jun 02 18:30 |
oiaohm | When ISP are providing more content and services its in there favor. To put nasty rules like that in effect. MinceR | Jun 02 18:30 |
oiaohm | And ISP to provide more content need money. | Jun 02 18:31 |
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MinceR | so they'll be less competitive | Jun 02 18:31 |
oiaohm | So buy making P2P less effective long term you will win. | Jun 02 18:31 |
oiaohm | Its being competivie and getting return on investment. | Jun 02 18:31 |
MinceR | or you'll scare away users with a limited service that costs more. | Jun 02 18:31 |
DaemonFC | MinceR, I liked that WMA rental concept that totally bombed | Jun 02 18:31 |
oiaohm | That will cause it. MinceR | Jun 02 18:31 |
DaemonFC | you can download every file they have if you want | Jun 02 18:31 |
MinceR | oiaohm: what will cause what now? | Jun 02 18:31 |
DaemonFC | and they play as long as you pay the monthly rent | Jun 02 18:32 |
DaemonFC | salty as hell | Jun 02 18:32 |
DaemonFC | :P | Jun 02 18:32 |
oiaohm | The blocking of ways to pirate. If p2p and other method are heavy on traffic you reduce you quality of service to legal people. | Jun 02 18:32 |
oiaohm | Traffic shaping against p2p has not happend for no reason. MinceR | Jun 02 18:33 |
MinceR | oiaohm: the problem is, p2p that prefers local (within ISP) connections is actually lighter on traffic than most other things | Jun 02 18:33 |
MinceR | oiaohm: remember, ISPs hate buying the upstream necessary to fulfill their promises. | Jun 02 18:34 |
oiaohm | Bad arguement. | Jun 02 18:34 |
MinceR | and once built, the last mile keeps providing its bandwidth for a minimal cost. | Jun 02 18:34 |
oiaohm | ISP has to pay for all traffic transfer cap. If sources can be proxyed | Jun 02 18:34 |
MinceR | yes, it's bad because it proves you wrong. | Jun 02 18:34 |
oiaohm | Cost is min to the ISP. | Jun 02 18:34 |
oiaohm | Way less than p2p | Jun 02 18:34 |
oiaohm | Simple fact p2p is heavy. MinceR | Jun 02 18:35 |
oiaohm | Heck p2p proxys were developers for ISP's. | Jun 02 18:36 |
oiaohm | They only work if p2p is not encrypted. | Jun 02 18:36 |
MinceR | and guess what those proxies do. | Jun 02 18:36 |
oiaohm | Or the processor load become a killer. | Jun 02 18:36 |
oiaohm | Most of them never blocked a thing. MinceR | Jun 02 18:36 |
MinceR | that's right. | Jun 02 18:37 |
oiaohm | But due to p2p now heavly using encryption its not possiable. | Jun 02 18:37 |
MinceR | they make sure most of the traffic is internal to the ISP. | Jun 02 18:37 |
MinceR | i wonder why. | Jun 02 18:37 |
MinceR | well, now the clients can still do that. | Jun 02 18:37 |
oiaohm | Too server | Jun 02 18:37 |
oiaohm | Not client to client. | Jun 02 18:38 |
MinceR | are you saying that clients can't ping each other and prefer the lowest delay times? :> | Jun 02 18:38 |
MinceR | it isn't rocket science. | Jun 02 18:38 |
oiaohm | Most p2p clients connect to multi sources. | Jun 02 18:38 |
oiaohm | Even if one locally has perfect ping time. | Jun 02 18:39 |
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oiaohm | So causing sideways traffic filling up band width between clients. | Jun 02 18:39 |
MinceR | then they can choose multiple sources with the lowest times. | Jun 02 18:39 |
oiaohm | Not benifical to the ISP. MinceR | Jun 02 18:39 |
MinceR | yeah, right | Jun 02 18:40 |
oiaohm | No matter how much you argue its not. | Jun 02 18:40 |
oiaohm | One of the ISP here banned P2P out right. There quality of service is far more stable than other ISP's using the same gear. | Jun 02 18:40 |
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oiaohm | Even forcing the users to VPN outside makes the ISP internal traffic cleaner. MinceR | Jun 02 18:41 |
oiaohm | ISP basically wins banning P2P | Jun 02 18:41 |
MinceR | yes, if you define "win" as "lose users and increase costs" | Jun 02 18:42 |
oiaohm | For ISP lower costs. | Jun 02 18:42 |
MinceR | i know i'd want to "win" that way if i was an ISP! wait a minute. | Jun 02 18:42 |
oiaohm | For people not using p2p more stable transfer speeds and better gaming and voip | Jun 02 18:42 |
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oiaohm | Only one group loses MinceR | Jun 02 18:43 |
MinceR | yeah, we all know that VoIP for instance has absolutely no bandwidth needs, no sir! | Jun 02 18:43 |
MinceR | also, remember that you also stated that ISPs will buy content | Jun 02 18:43 |
MinceR | if that isn't going to increase costs then i don't know what will. | Jun 02 18:43 |
oiaohm | If they are selling content as well. Nop. | Jun 02 18:44 |
oiaohm | Ie pay to view. MinceR | Jun 02 18:44 |
MinceR | yes, note the _pay_ there | Jun 02 18:44 |
MinceR | once again the users get worse service for more money. | Jun 02 18:44 |
oiaohm | For the ISP its a extra income stream. | Jun 02 18:44 |
oiaohm | Remember what Users want really don't come into this. | Jun 02 18:44 |
MinceR | of course in this case "worse service" includes blocking random protocols the ISP doesn't like, spying on users, etc | Jun 02 18:45 |
MinceR | yes, because the users don't get to choose between ISPs | Jun 02 18:45 |
MinceR | oh, wait | Jun 02 18:45 |
MinceR | well, maybe in the People's Republic of Australia people don't get to make such choices at all | Jun 02 18:45 |
oiaohm | Also the ISP that don't will risk being sued to be shutdown. | Jun 02 18:45 |
oiaohm | How many ISP's that allowed anything are no more. MinceR | Jun 02 18:46 |
oiaohm | What has been done to spammers is no different to what will happen to P2P. | Jun 02 18:46 |
oiaohm | The writing is on the wall. MinceR | Jun 02 18:46 |
MinceR | actually it's pretty different | Jun 02 18:46 |
oiaohm | No its not. | Jun 02 18:46 |
oiaohm | People like to think of it as different. | Jun 02 18:47 |
MinceR | and not allowing spamming is not the same as not allowing SMTP outwards, either. | Jun 02 18:47 |
MinceR | people sometimes get things right. :> | Jun 02 18:47 |
oiaohm | Some nice ISP's will just ban not encrypted p2p they can cache and monitor. | Jun 02 18:47 |
oiaohm | Opps. | Jun 02 18:47 |
MinceR | and some users will just move to the other ISP. | Jun 02 18:48 |
MinceR | oops. | Jun 02 18:48 |
oiaohm | Not ban not encrypted. | Jun 02 18:48 |
MinceR | and that other ISP will also happen to be cheaper | Jun 02 18:48 |
oiaohm | And that happened with spammers. MinceR | Jun 02 18:48 |
MinceR | since they don't screw with their user's traffic | Jun 02 18:48 |
MinceR | which costs money. | Jun 02 18:48 |
oiaohm | Once they were all stacked up in a limited numbers of ISP's the ISP were taken out. | Jun 02 18:48 |
oiaohm | Basically its a will lose. | Jun 02 18:49 |
MinceR | also, you're assuming that the ISP will know that a certain encrypted connection is P2P filesharing. they won't. that's the whole point of encryption. | Jun 02 18:49 |
oiaohm | LOL | Jun 02 18:49 |
MinceR | i must have said something funny. | Jun 02 18:50 |
oiaohm | Really that is the sad part. | Jun 02 18:50 |
oiaohm | What is the biggest give way to encrypted P2P | Jun 02 18:50 |
oiaohm | Any ideas MinceR | Jun 02 18:50 |
oiaohm | A repeating patern of connect to a lot of different IP's with encrypted connections in under 30 mins. That are not DNS registered for web sites. | Jun 02 18:52 |
oiaohm | Sorry encrypted p2p stands out like a saw thumb. | Jun 02 18:52 |
MinceR | such patterns can be changed, especially if you're aiming for anonymous p2p | Jun 02 18:53 |
MinceR | such as freenet | Jun 02 18:53 |
MinceR | or what it was called | Jun 02 18:53 |
oiaohm | Nop freenet shows up clearly. | Jun 02 18:54 |
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oiaohm | Problem here hiding does equal lower transfer speeds as well. | Jun 02 18:54 |
MinceR | no, the problem is that people aren't going to care as much about lower transfer speeds as you like to believe. | Jun 02 18:55 |
oiaohm | When it ends up taking days to get the content they will. | Jun 02 18:55 |
MinceR | remember that it indeed used to take days | Jun 02 18:55 |
MinceR | and people still did it | Jun 02 18:55 |
oiaohm | But then it still took longer to get a copy than download it. | Jun 02 18:56 |
MinceR | and then the copy you bought wasn't worse than the copy you downloaded. | Jun 02 18:57 |
oiaohm | Of course content will have to move to sane prices. | Jun 02 18:57 |
MinceR | lol | Jun 02 18:57 |
MinceR | yeah, that's pretty much the main problem here | Jun 02 18:57 |
MinceR | and it's not like the MAFIAA is going to solve that any time soon | Jun 02 18:57 |
oiaohm | ISP buying contect for users can get it at way lower prices than you buying from shop. MinceR | Jun 02 18:58 |
oiaohm | Volume purchasing. | Jun 02 18:58 |
MinceR | if content moved to sane prices and wasn't crippled (DRM) and was easy to get (including payment), piracy would most likely drop immediately. | Jun 02 18:58 |
MinceR | but the content providers can't be bothered to do any of that. | Jun 02 18:58 |
oiaohm | Content provider basically has to be ISP. | Jun 02 18:59 |
oiaohm | to provide dependable fast delivery. MinceR | Jun 02 18:59 |
MinceR | oiaohm: retail stores don't achieve miraculously low prices with that method. what makes you believe that ISPs will? | Jun 02 18:59 |
MinceR | no it doesn't | Jun 02 18:59 |
MinceR | anyone can provide dependable fast delivery, at least until they destroy net neutrality. | Jun 02 18:59 |
oiaohm | Because ISP have lower overheads than retail stores. | Jun 02 18:59 |
oiaohm | Big thing MinceR. Lets say you buy a movie online. Using net neutrality its very hard for them to confirm it you. | Jun 02 19:00 |
oiaohm | With a ISP you buy something they know its you so if download goes bad they can provide another no problems. | Jun 02 19:00 |
oiaohm | The internet is not perfect. MinceR | Jun 02 19:01 |
MinceR | or they could just, you know, let you download it again | Jun 02 19:01 |
MinceR | once again, it isn't rocket science. | Jun 02 19:01 |
oiaohm | Difference here allow for users losing stuff. | Jun 02 19:01 |
MinceR | and it's no excuse for turning the Internet into a bunch of walled gardens either. | Jun 02 19:02 |
oiaohm | Like there site logins. | Jun 02 19:02 |
MinceR | if only we had solutions for that... | Jun 02 19:02 |
MinceR | wait, we always did | Jun 02 19:02 |
oiaohm | Yet people still lose them. | Jun 02 19:03 |
MinceR | and there still are ways for them to fix that. | Jun 02 19:03 |
oiaohm | Any that are invisable to end user. MinceR | Jun 02 19:03 |
MinceR | nope | Jun 02 19:03 |
MinceR | losing a password is rarely invisible to the end-user. :> | Jun 02 19:04 |
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oiaohm | I was meaning to fix it. | Jun 02 19:04 |
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oiaohm | ISP can fix it simple MinceR | Jun 02 19:04 |
oiaohm | They know enough about you to fix it. | Jun 02 19:04 |
MinceR | that's like throwing out 400 babies with one bathwater. | Jun 02 19:04 |
oiaohm | Not like that has not happened before. | Jun 02 19:05 |
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MinceR | they could have a backup password (possibly combined with verification on phone); they could have physical presence; they could have password recovery questions; they could use email (yes, even the one provided by the ISP); etc. | Jun 02 19:08 |
oiaohm | All not invisable to user. MinceR | Jun 02 19:09 |
MinceR | the way they got their account in the first place they can also verify their identity and get a new password. | Jun 02 19:09 |
MinceR | visibility to the user is a lot less problematic than disallowing competition. | Jun 02 19:09 |
oiaohm | All require user knowing todo something. | Jun 02 19:09 |
MinceR | if the user wants to have something he has paid for, you can bet he'll know to do something. | Jun 02 19:09 |
oiaohm | You know the big problem with a lot of users. They are never wrong. | Jun 02 19:10 |
MinceR | doesn't matter, the content provider can still support them. | Jun 02 19:10 |
MinceR | besides, those users are the customers of the ISP you're talking about, so there's no difference. | Jun 02 19:11 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #Natenyahu should be nominated as a the world's biggest liar. Where the hell did he get this incredible lying capability from?! | Jun 02 19:11 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #Natenyahu should be nominated as a the world's biggest liar. Where the hell did he get this incredible lying capability?! | Jun 02 19:11 | |
oiaohm | Dealing with them tells you how big of fools they are. | Jun 02 19:11 |
oiaohm | Like ringing up because internet does not work all they did was take box out put power cable in wall and not connect up phone line or ethernet. | Jun 02 19:12 |
oiaohm | Even that the instructions were in box MinceR | Jun 02 19:12 |
oiaohm | And people like that complain about poor service as well. | Jun 02 19:12 |
MinceR | you knowing how foolish your customers are doesn't mean it has to matter to them. | Jun 02 19:12 |
MinceR | besides, they could learn to use a webmail service even though that wasn't provided by the ISP either. | Jun 02 19:13 |
oiaohm | More invisable it is less complaints more recommendations more people using. | Jun 02 19:13 |
MinceR | and that's insignificant next to disallowing competition between content providers. | Jun 02 19:13 |
oiaohm | Yes I have had them calling for me to recovery there gmail password as well. | Jun 02 19:13 |
MinceR | the latter is inexcusable. | Jun 02 19:13 |
oiaohm | And movies and so on. | Jun 02 19:14 |
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MinceR | there was planned economy here, with no competition. it nearly bankrupted the country. | Jun 02 19:14 |
oiaohm | As you sad ISP compete with each other. | Jun 02 19:14 |
oiaohm | said/sad | Jun 02 19:14 |
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oiaohm | So its not no competition. | Jun 02 19:15 |
MinceR | it limits competition unnecessarily and unfairly. | Jun 02 19:15 |
oiaohm | Does not have to. | Jun 02 19:15 |
MinceR | the choice of ISP has nothing to do with choice of content providers. | Jun 02 19:15 |
MinceR | if it's tied together, that limits competition and is illegal in many places today. | Jun 02 19:15 |
oiaohm | ISP providing the content to users knows the person getting it. | Jun 02 19:15 |
oiaohm | What stops a laws being passed forcing ISP's to provide legal providers with end to end tracking. | Jun 02 19:16 |
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MinceR | you'd also take content away from a user switching ISPs, would you not? | Jun 02 19:16 |
oiaohm | So allowing them on level playing field with ISP. | Jun 02 19:16 |
oiaohm | Simple fact if something is not done. ISP's will have the advantage. MinceR | Jun 02 19:16 |
oiaohm | ISP have to be part of the provide MinceR so its 100 percent dependable for end users. | Jun 02 19:17 |
oiaohm | Its not like when you have legally paid for something you have to hide. | Jun 02 19:17 |
MinceR | the result of some user mistakes being invisible to the user is not the same as being 100 percent dependable. | Jun 02 19:18 |
MinceR | in fact, these two things have very little to do with each other. | Jun 02 19:18 |
MinceR | also, i think we're all tired of the "you've got nothing to hide" bullshit. | Jun 02 19:19 |
oiaohm | Goverments have not ruled against people switching between content providers losing there content. | Jun 02 19:19 |
oiaohm | Heck its already happened. MinceR | Jun 02 19:19 |
MinceR | everyone's got a lot to hide, especially with police states (like the People's Republic of Australia and Airstrip One) and spying companies. | Jun 02 19:19 |
MinceR | and with irresponsible handling of private data everywhere. | Jun 02 19:20 |
oiaohm | ISP's already have your private data. | Jun 02 19:20 |
MinceR | the less they have the better. | Jun 02 19:21 |
MinceR | this includes content i own and content preferences. | Jun 02 19:21 |
oiaohm | What stops ISP being like a delivery firm. | Jun 02 19:21 |
MinceR | it also includes transfer logs (which they shouldn't even be allowed to keep) | Jun 02 19:21 |
oiaohm | Ie they know who the content is intented for. | Jun 02 19:21 |
MinceR | professionalism? | Jun 02 19:21 |
MinceR | respect for the freedom of people? | Jun 02 19:21 |
oiaohm | And a request can be give to the same person as before. | Jun 02 19:21 |
oiaohm | do able if laws force it. | Jun 02 19:22 |
MinceR | a download can go to the same account as before | Jun 02 19:22 |
MinceR | no ISP magic necessary. | Jun 02 19:22 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Israel was found guilty of war crimes in Gaza recently, action against Israeli officials was blocked by USA. http://is.gd/czVGG #flotilla | Jun 02 19:22 | |
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oiaohm | Was the internet designed to move content you had paid for. | Jun 02 19:23 |
MinceR | was the Internet designed to be a walled garden? | Jun 02 19:23 |
oiaohm | And to make sure you get it. | Jun 02 19:23 |
oiaohm | Answer no. | Jun 02 19:23 |
MinceR | and to make sure there was no way to break out of it? | Jun 02 19:23 |
oiaohm | The internet was design to be a network to keep on working with damage. | Jun 02 19:23 |
oiaohm | Not perfectly but keep on working. | Jun 02 19:23 |
MinceR | and to make sure that users can only do what their ISP feels like letting them do? | Jun 02 19:23 |
oiaohm | Walled gardens always come. | Jun 02 19:24 |
MinceR | making sure you get it can be done like any reliable file transfer works: check if you've got the data intact, and if not, request it again. | Jun 02 19:24 |
oiaohm | Wild Wests always end. | Jun 02 19:24 |
MinceR | you're advocating walled gardens. | Jun 02 19:24 |
MinceR | capitalism is Wild West now? | Jun 02 19:24 |
MinceR | that's new. | Jun 02 19:24 |
oiaohm | Not like wall gardens don't exist in all capitalism areas. | Jun 02 19:25 |
MinceR | and then i didn't even mention that perhaps making people pay directly for the content isn't even the way to go | Jun 02 19:25 |
MinceR | capitalism depends on people easily being able to choose whom to do business with. | Jun 02 19:26 |
MinceR | your idea goes against that. | Jun 02 19:26 |
oiaohm | And in real world does that happen. MinceR | Jun 02 19:26 |
MinceR | it often does | Jun 02 19:26 |
oiaohm | No it does not. | Jun 02 19:27 |
MinceR | i get to choose which shop to go to and which product to buy | Jun 02 19:27 |
MinceR | i get to choose which web service to use | Jun 02 19:27 |
oiaohm | You have to be able to access the shop. | Jun 02 19:27 |
MinceR | but you'd prefer to have the choice of ISP decide everything. | Jun 02 19:27 |
MinceR | i can walk. | Jun 02 19:27 |
MinceR | i can also take public transport or drive | Jun 02 19:27 |
oiaohm | Just like you are not going to cross a country just to access a single shop and drive back. | Jun 02 19:27 |
MinceR | and guess what, roads and public transport takes me to any shop. | Jun 02 19:27 |
MinceR | i'm not walled into an area with just a house to live in and a single shop to buy stuff in. | Jun 02 19:28 |
oiaohm | and some items will not come in threw customs. | Jun 02 19:28 |
MinceR | what items? | Jun 02 19:28 |
oiaohm | You are already living in a walled garden. Just the walls are out of your vision range. | Jun 02 19:28 |
MinceR | and you'd like to bring them closer. | Jun 02 19:29 |
MinceR | you must really hate freedom. :> | Jun 02 19:29 |
oiaohm | No | Jun 02 19:29 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Five open source alternatives to the iPad http://opensource.com/life/10/4/five-open-source-alternatives-ipad | Jun 02 19:29 | |
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oiaohm | The walls have been progressively getting closer over time. MinceR | Jun 02 19:29 |
MinceR | which means that's a good thing? | Jun 02 19:29 |
oiaohm | Nop. | Jun 02 19:29 |
MinceR | or that people will want it to continue? | Jun 02 19:29 |
oiaohm | Its just human nature to build walled gardens unless laws say other wise. | Jun 02 19:30 |
oiaohm | Or at least attempt to build walled gardens. | Jun 02 19:30 |
oiaohm | MS is a case in point using walled gardens. | Jun 02 19:30 |
oiaohm | They sell there products at different prices in different countries. | Jun 02 19:30 |
oiaohm | So exploiting walled gardens to extract as much money as able. | Jun 02 19:30 |
oiaohm | I am simply telling you what will happen if regulation does not step in first. MinceR | Jun 02 19:31 |
MinceR | that's only one thing that could happen. | Jun 02 19:32 |
oiaohm | Its a bit like some usa towns there is no shops selling real food. | Jun 02 19:32 |
oiaohm | None. | Jun 02 19:32 |
oiaohm | Your only option is junk food. | Jun 02 19:33 |
MinceR | i know that human nature is destructive. but remember that human nature is also selfish. | Jun 02 19:33 |
oiaohm | When people say walled gardens don't exist you don't have to look far to find them. | Jun 02 19:33 |
oiaohm | And a lot of them are highly destructive. | Jun 02 19:34 |
MinceR | in some cases you have to look so far that the expression has no meaning. | Jun 02 19:34 |
MinceR | and while some people build walled gardens, other seek to break out of them. | Jun 02 19:34 |
MinceR | no regulation was needed for normal Internet access to defeat walled garden networks (CompuServe, AOL, m$n, etc.) | Jun 02 19:35 |
oiaohm | What did those services really provide. | Jun 02 19:35 |
oiaohm | Most of them provided junk. | Jun 02 19:36 |
MinceR | what do you think ISP/content provider hybrids will provide? :> | Jun 02 19:37 |
oiaohm | http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/hometech/telstra-primed-for-tbox-launch-in-june-20100402-rj20.html Stuff like this. MinceR | Jun 02 19:39 |
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oiaohm | Worst part is that device will not work if you don't have a telstra broadband connection. MinceR | Jun 02 19:39 |
MinceR | see also: tying | Jun 02 19:40 |
oiaohm | Yes I looking straight down the gun if incoming walled gardens. | Jun 02 19:40 |
oiaohm | How long before they fuse the ADSL modem in. | Jun 02 19:40 |
oiaohm | Really I mean you have stack of stuff recorded in that box change or adsl line fails everything in that box not accessable. MinceR | Jun 02 19:41 |
MinceR | you're in one of the worse places. :> | Jun 02 19:41 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Marvell promises $100 tablet for students http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Marvell-Moby/ | Jun 02 19:42 | |
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MinceR | only extremely stupid people will fall for that. | Jun 02 19:42 |
oiaohm | And be aware testra owns a ISP in the usa. | Jun 02 19:42 |
oiaohm | And most of our region they have a pressence. | Jun 02 19:43 |
MinceR | maybe these people need to lose some content they've bought themselves to learn the lesson | Jun 02 19:43 |
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MinceR | because they sure as hell failed to learn the lesson on the cost of others | Jun 02 19:43 |
oiaohm | But there is enough extremely stupid people out there that telstra will make a profit doing it. | Jun 02 19:43 |
MinceR | (walmart music, m$n music, lala) | Jun 02 19:43 |
oiaohm | Testra will replace your content when you re sign up with them. MinceR | Jun 02 19:44 |
oiaohm | Yes a true walled garden game. | Jun 02 19:44 |
oiaohm | You leave you lose. MinceR | Jun 02 19:45 |
oiaohm | They got away with this with My Star boxs on there sat tv first. MinceR | Jun 02 19:45 |
oiaohm | Now the sad point is the T-Box is a Linux box. MinceR | Jun 02 19:46 |
MinceR | question is how many of the people will be left willing to buy into this scam by the time this scam becomes widespread. | Jun 02 19:46 |
oiaohm | If you want sat tv now you have to get a My Star or equal box here. With the same lock in trap. | Jun 02 19:47 |
oiaohm | Ie pay tv. | Jun 02 19:47 |
oiaohm | So I don't see ISP's coming out any different. MinceR | Jun 02 19:47 |
oiaohm | I am living in a place where I am seeing these walled gardens form. | Jun 02 19:48 |
MinceR | even then, i expect massive backlash if an ISP tries to limit its users into something like this. | Jun 02 19:48 |
MinceR | like i said, you live in one of the worst places. :> | Jun 02 19:48 |
oiaohm | Remember this walled garden started with the tivo over in the USA. | Jun 02 19:49 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What a Difference Patentability of Software Makes: #Microsoft #3 in USPTO, #33 in #EPO http://ur1.ca/051rf #swpats #uspto #patent | Jun 02 19:49 | |
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oiaohm | It did not even start here, MinceR | Jun 02 19:49 |
MinceR | what had that have to do with this? it was just a PVR in a box. | Jun 02 19:49 |
MinceR | it recorded what you could get on TV anyway. | Jun 02 19:49 |
oiaohm | Early forms of it you could not export the recorded items. | Jun 02 19:49 |
oiaohm | Pay TV providers here when perfect. | Jun 02 19:49 |
oiaohm | went | Jun 02 19:50 |
oiaohm | My Star also records free to air. MinceR | Jun 02 19:50 |
MinceR | ic | Jun 02 19:50 |
oiaohm | Same with the rest of the boxs from the pay tv's here. | Jun 02 19:50 |
oiaohm | The idea changed when it got here. | Jun 02 19:51 |
oiaohm | It was part a walled garden in the USA | Jun 02 19:51 |
oiaohm | the pay tv just finshed the idea off. | Jun 02 19:51 |
oiaohm | Now its only a matter of time before it starts attempt to spreed to other places. MinceR | Jun 02 19:51 |
oiaohm | Walled gardens are a form of world spreeding virus. | Jun 02 19:52 |
oiaohm | I guess you though I was talking only possible ideas. MinceR Not what is going on. | Jun 02 19:55 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Despite economic problems the European Union looks to the future and commits to the integration of Western Balkans. http://is.gd/czYzF #EU | Jun 02 19:57 | |
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MinceR | no, i thought you were pretty sure this is what's going to happen. | Jun 02 19:57 |
oiaohm | Note that testra is lining up to complete head to head with there own pay tv company. | Jun 02 19:58 |
oiaohm | Basically this could be the end of pay tv as we know it. MinceR | Jun 02 19:59 |
MinceR | success is not guaranteed. | Jun 02 19:59 |
MinceR | also, Internet-based services can kill pay tv regardless of this walled garden scam. | Jun 02 19:59 |
oiaohm | Thinking testra has the worse ISP prices in Australia | Jun 02 19:59 |
oiaohm | And it still has customers. | Jun 02 19:59 |
oiaohm | I think they have the perfect crowd. | Jun 02 20:00 |
oiaohm | Telstra is basicaly intergrating freetv paytv and internet based services. | Jun 02 20:01 |
oiaohm | Some of there content will come from deals with internet base providers. | Jun 02 20:01 |
oiaohm | And making the device fairly idiot safe. MinceR | Jun 02 20:02 |
oiaohm | On one hand. | Jun 02 20:02 |
MinceR | it had better be, since only idiots will use it. | Jun 02 20:03 |
oiaohm | And a huge big idiot trap on the other. | Jun 02 20:03 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] What a great show!...Jono is playing live guitar for his audience! #ubuntu #foss #yourockon | Jun 02 20:03 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] wow - picotux - the smallest Linux Computer in the World http://www.picotux.com | Jun 02 20:03 | |
oiaohm | But there are enough idiots out there to run a profitable business. MinceR | Jun 02 20:03 |
oiaohm | And most compeition is foolish as well so you can bet they will copy. | Jun 02 20:04 |
oiaohm | Hopefully some release better user treating boxs. | Jun 02 20:04 |
MinceR | we'll see how stupid the human species is anyway | Jun 02 20:04 |
MinceR | there is a multifront war on freedom going on. | Jun 02 20:04 |
oiaohm | My problem is I know they are stupid enough to fall for this. | Jun 02 20:05 |
oiaohm | And by the time they wake up we could be in the same kind of mess as the towns that have no real food on sale. | Jun 02 20:05 |
oiaohm | You cannot even buy a apple. MinceR | Jun 02 20:06 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] #ubuntu UK community team meeting in #ubuntu-uk-meeting on freenode at 21:00 UK time (20:00 UTC). | Jun 02 20:06 | |
oiaohm | Ie apple the fruit. | Jun 02 20:06 |
MinceR | i haven't seen such towns in my life. | Jun 02 20:07 |
oiaohm | Came out of studies into health problems in sections of the USA MinceR | Jun 02 20:07 |
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oiaohm | Good thing was they ended up destroying a few of the fast food shops to make way for a real food shop. | Jun 02 20:08 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] I'm cooking hotdogs! On a skillet! In my kitchen! I'm sure they're made of evil things but they taste so goood! | Jun 02 20:09 | |
MinceR | Jesusland is famous for widespread idiocy. | Jun 02 20:09 |
oiaohm | But when you have a population highly sick due to poor diet. Its not the thing you want to happen. MinceR | Jun 02 20:09 |
oiaohm | But fast food companies like it. | Jun 02 20:09 |
oiaohm | And they have been found trying to do same things in other countries. | Jun 02 20:10 |
oiaohm | But lot of places have sane building regulation so it cannot happen. MinceR | Jun 02 20:10 |
oiaohm | regulation is the best control against harmful walled gardens. | Jun 02 20:10 |
MinceR | anarchism would work too. | Jun 02 20:11 |
oiaohm | Not really. | Jun 02 20:11 |
oiaohm | You can build a walled gardens inside anachism | Jun 02 20:11 |
MinceR | and people can burn them. | Jun 02 20:11 |
oiaohm | anachism does end up with a form of walled garden. | Jun 02 20:11 |
oiaohm | No one walking down the street without armed guards. | Jun 02 20:12 |
oiaohm | And everyone living in walled houses trying to protect self. | Jun 02 20:12 |
oiaohm | Yes the walls end up taking real form. | Jun 02 20:12 |
MinceR | that's not necessary. | Jun 02 20:12 |
oiaohm | All areas where anachism gets well and truly running it does become necessary | Jun 02 20:13 |
oiaohm | if you want to live. | Jun 02 20:13 |
MinceR | that only shows you don't know what anarchism is. | Jun 02 20:13 |
oiaohm | Problem is it always starts out Ok. | Jun 02 20:14 |
oiaohm | But as people start forgeting basic ideas like you should not kill. | Jun 02 20:14 |
oiaohm | It ends up a huge mother of a mess. MinceR | Jun 02 20:15 |
MinceR | lol | Jun 02 20:15 |
MinceR | i rest my case. | Jun 02 20:15 |
oiaohm | anachism does not say you should keep the ideas of you should not kill. | Jun 02 20:15 |
oiaohm | Instead it says you are free todo what ever you like MinceR | Jun 02 20:15 |
oiaohm | Problem is that includes killing. | Jun 02 20:15 |
MinceR | problem is that killing tends to induce retribution. | Jun 02 20:16 |
MinceR | either everyone dies or people start taking consequences into consideration. | Jun 02 20:16 |
oiaohm | The killing for retribution brings more killing. | Jun 02 20:16 |
MinceR | guess what keeps people from killing in a statist system. | Jun 02 20:16 |
oiaohm | Until you have a war zone on your hands. | Jun 02 20:16 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] RT @bletchleypark Alan #Turing on "Genius of Britain", Channel 4+1, 10pm tonight. #bpark (via @parsingphase) (see what I did there?) | Jun 02 20:17 | |
oiaohm | Basically anachism with one rule preventing killing would stand a chance of working. MinceR | Jun 02 20:18 |
oiaohm | But pure anachism is kinda doomed. | Jun 02 20:18 |
MinceR | wrong. | Jun 02 20:18 |
MinceR | 211304 < MinceR> guess what keeps people from killing in a statist system. | Jun 02 20:18 |
MinceR | consequences! | Jun 02 20:19 |
oiaohm | consequences done in a rule base way. | Jun 02 20:19 |
oiaohm | So people don't go after revenge alone or if they do they will have to face the rules. | Jun 02 20:19 |
oiaohm | So you don't end up with revenge killings leading to war. | Jun 02 20:20 |
oiaohm | Ok most of the time. | Jun 02 20:20 |
MinceR | the most powerful local crime organization's (also known as "state") armed people kick your ass if you kill someone without the state's permission. | Jun 02 20:20 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Still havent yet got around to watching Going Postal....... :( | Jun 02 20:20 | |
oiaohm | Yep a rule. MinceR | Jun 02 20:20 |
MinceR | you're obsessed with rules | Jun 02 20:21 |
MinceR | most human beings seem to be. | Jun 02 20:21 |
oiaohm | Rules make sence from a staying a live point of view. | Jun 02 20:21 |
MinceR | they seem to believe that you can codify everything and avoid having to think. | Jun 02 20:21 |
MinceR | but life isn't so simple | Jun 02 20:21 |
oiaohm | Ie don't eat X item because you will die kind of thing. | Jun 02 20:21 |
oiaohm | Were we come from in evolution rules have been helpful MinceR | Jun 02 20:22 |
oiaohm | So its part of our nature of thinking. MinceR | Jun 02 20:22 |
ender2070 | im working on a fantastic article | Jun 02 20:23 |
MinceR | hm, who set those Rules for the early humans then? | Jun 02 20:25 |
MinceR | and how come the rest of nature gets along just fine without obsessing about rules and order? | Jun 02 20:25 |
oiaohm | Thinking in order makes staying alive simple. | Jun 02 20:26 |
MinceR | thinking does, rules don't | Jun 02 20:27 |
oiaohm | Thinking does not help you choose if something is safe to eat or not. | Jun 02 20:27 |
MinceR | good instincts do too | Jun 02 20:27 |
MinceR | knowledge does, though | Jun 02 20:27 |
MinceR | and so do instincts | Jun 02 20:27 |
oiaohm | And if you eat something not safe that is the last thing you do. | Jun 02 20:27 |
MinceR | since we have the former, we have no need for the latter. | Jun 02 20:27 |
oiaohm | A rule not to eat something you don't know keeps you alive. | Jun 02 20:28 |
oiaohm | So you can let some other idiot do the testing. | Jun 02 20:28 |
oiaohm | Yes particular rules provide some wisdom to follow. | Jun 02 20:29 |
oiaohm | Basically the ones that followed rules of some form had a higher chance of repoduction. MinceR | Jun 02 20:30 |
oiaohm | Because they stayed alive long. | Jun 02 20:30 |
oiaohm | Also a percentage of idiots are required to be the rule breakers to work out of the rest if something is safe or not. | Jun 02 20:32 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] this http://userscripts.org/scripts/review/38736 can be used for equation solver/plotter using freehand character recognition #Mathpad #idea | Jun 02 20:37 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Thanks to you all who joined the vidcast! The recording is at http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/7397662 #ubuntu #community | Jun 02 20:37 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Why I like web = (It takes me 10 minute do write beautiful buttons, tabs, menu , GUI applications ) http://jsfiddle.net | Jun 02 20:44 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Very sad, Twitterfeed is deal without telling us. They might got good money to do so - http://twitter.com/twitterfeed | Jun 02 21:08 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] The news from Gaza has amongst other things roused interest in the foreign policy of Turkey, here is an analysis of it. http://is.gd/cA3nI | Jun 02 21:10 | |
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schestowitz | http://www.dailytechmag.com/archives/827 "Oracle hasn’t set any price for the download of this software, but since you will be in need of Oracle’s products, so definitely it is going to cost you a hefty amount of money. Expect an expenditure of $23,000+ on a processor license, annual customer support and basic features by Oracle." | Jun 02 23:04 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Can you call a Flash enabler "open source"? http://devworks.thinkdigit.com//Internet/OSMF-v10-released_4683.html | Jun 02 23:17 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] India vows to sabotage ACTA - Yet another common sense policy from India, whoohoo http://tinyurl.com/22k33n3 | Jun 02 23:18 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @thistleweb India vows to sabotage ACTA - Yet another common sense policy from India, whoohoo http://tinyurl.com/22k33n3 > do it for us! | Jun 02 23:21 | |
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schestowitz | http://topnews.us/content/221161-open-source-support-oracle "Expect to shell out at least $23,000+ on a processor license, yearly customer support and basic features by Oracle." | Jun 02 23:24 |
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schestowitz | So cheap | Jun 02 23:24 |
schestowitz | Just sell a couple of cars | Jun 02 23:24 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Israel if you lay a finger on Istanbul... be sure you're ready for the consequences. | Jun 02 23:37 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @marmite_news #WTF Israel STEALS evidence by REFUSING to return #Flotilla survivors items like PHONES & CAMERAS //exactly as expected | Jun 02 23:39 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@marmite_news the evidence on phones and cameras is more dangerous to #Israel than any weapon? But, 600 surviving witnesses is enough too | Jun 02 23:40 | |
cubezzz | Tyan S1846 runs for 2 seconds then shuts down :-/ | Jun 02 23:48 |
cubezzz | not good | Jun 02 23:48 |
cubezzz | probably power supply, wow I've been replacing those a lot lately | Jun 02 23:49 |
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