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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] OSHA violation score board: BP: 750, Sunoco: 8, Conoco-Phillips: 8, Citgo: 2, Exxon: 1 http://ur1.ca/051ldJun 03 00:23
TechrightsTitle: BP's Dismal Safety Record - ABC News .::. Size~: 71.11 KBJun 03 00:23
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Obama proposes rolling back billions of dollars in tax breaks for oil companies to fund clean energy research http://ur1.ca/053bgJun 03 00:28
TechrightsTitle: Obama: Reliance on fossil fuel must end - White House- msnbc.com .::. Size~: 56.81 KBJun 03 00:28
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DaemonFChttp://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/151546Jun 03 00:44
TechrightsTitle: Pat Robinson - Clips - South Park Studios .::. Size~: 122.88 KBJun 03 00:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] New blog post: You Absolutely Have To Love It When... http://madhatter.ca/2010/06/02/you-absolutely-have-to-love-it-when/Jun 03 00:58
TechrightsTitle: You Absolutely Have To Love It When& «  Through the Looking Glass .::. Size~: 83.81 KBJun 03 00:58
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seller_liarhttp://opensourcetogo.blogspot.com/2010/06/further-issues-with-gpl-and-app-stores.htmlJun 03 01:18
TechrightsTitle: Open Source to Go!: Further Issues With the GPL and "App Stores": An In-the-Wild Example .::. Size~: 60.29 KBJun 03 01:18
seller_liarlefty attacks againJun 03 01:18
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oiaohmhttp://smokescreen.us   Seen this?   Jun 03 01:24
TechrightsTitle: Smokescreen |  .::. Size~: 13.53 KBJun 03 01:24
oiaohmKinda end game for flashJun 03 01:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Reading Copyright Bill C32 on Scribd http://scr.bi/cZheh6 #readcastJun 03 01:26
TechrightsTitle: Copyright Bill C32 | Scribd .::. Size~: 170.04 KBJun 03 01:26
DaemonFCschestowitz, You think I could file a lawsit against Samsung?Jun 03 01:26
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DaemonFC*lawsuitJun 03 01:27
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DaemonFCschestowitz, I have not heard back from themJun 03 01:32
oiaohmWas that a source code request DaemonFCJun 03 01:38
oiaohmUSA area has not tested end user applying for source code.Jun 03 01:38
oiaohmnot getting it and suing.Jun 03 01:38
oiaohmIt has been won in a few countries.Jun 03 01:39
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DaemonFCschestowitz, , THey're giving me the number to their "executive customer care department"Jun 03 02:05
DaemonFClolJun 03 02:05
DaemonFCI have to call back tomorrow thoughJun 03 02:05
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DaemonFCPocket Internet ExplorerJun 03 02:40
DaemonFCto be honest, I'm less scared of having the phone itself that close to my testiclesJun 03 02:40
DaemonFC:PJun 03 02:40
WireWulfpocket rekonqJun 03 02:41
oiaohmhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/kno-dual-screen-tablet-appears-at-d8-we-go-hands-on/   This looks nice when the price gets down.  DaemonFCJun 03 02:45
TechrightsTitle: Kno dual-screen tablet appears at D8, we go hands-on -- Engadget .::. Size~: 232.44 KBJun 03 02:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] New blog post: Bill C-32 - The New Canadian Copyright Act http://madhatter.ca/2010/06/02/bill-c-32-the-new-canadian-copyright-act/Jun 03 02:47
TechrightsTitle: Bill C-32  The New Canadian Copyright Act «  Through the Looking Glass .::. Size~: 93.17 KBJun 03 02:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Memo to modern parents: If your kids are out of control all the time, STOP GIVING THEM SUGARED DRINKS. It will improve their #health as wellJun 03 03:01
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DaemonFC*smacks evenJun 03 03:13
DaemonFC:PJun 03 03:13
DaemonFCschestowitz, After years of describing Robbie Bach and J Allard as visionariesJun 03 03:16
DaemonFCPaul Thurrott has turned on themJun 03 03:16
DaemonFCand is calling them "inept"Jun 03 03:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@RWRenfrew RT @aliceinthewater Gov Brewer claims (wrongly) her father ‘died fighting’ Nazis // oh my gawd, irony overload. #sb1070 #azJun 03 03:23
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DaemonFC:The lack of B-frames in VP8 is a killer.  B-frames can give 10-20% (or more) compression benefit for minimal speed cost; their omission in VP8 probably costs more compression than all other problems noted in this post combined.  This was not unexpected, however; On2 has never used B-frames in any of their video formats.  They also likely present serious patent problems, which probably explains their omission."Jun 03 03:34
DaemonFCoiaohm?Jun 03 03:35
oiaohmReally this is the issue.Jun 03 03:38
oiaohmBut it comes down to be sane.Jun 03 03:38
oiaohmIts not like PNG, jpeg or flv are best of breed either.   DaemonFCJun 03 03:38
oiaohmWhat stops that feature from being added to vp8 when the patent expires.Jun 03 03:39
DaemonFCif it's just an encoder-side change, yeahJun 03 03:39
DaemonFCbut encoder changes that still produce a valid bitstream can still mess up a decoderJun 03 03:39
DaemonFCbecause there's no telling if that decoder is actually bitstream compliant or notJun 03 03:40
oiaohmIts a decoder side change DaemonFCJun 03 03:40
oiaohmIts not like png and jpeg have not got new versions over the years.  DaemonFCJun 03 03:40
oiaohmvp8 is mostly what you can do not hitting patents.Jun 03 03:41
oiaohmIts like 6 years until that patent expires.   DaemonFCJun 03 03:43
oiaohmSo by then we will want to be improving vp8 anyhow DaemonFCJun 03 03:43
DaemonFC"<gmaxwell> so great.. single implementation and it depends on its own bugs."Jun 03 03:44
DaemonFCroflJun 03 03:44
DaemonFCVP8 sounds like crapJun 03 03:44
oiaohmTechically it is.Jun 03 03:45
oiaohmBut is legal and patent free crap.Jun 03 03:45
DaemonFC"This is just like Internet Explorer 6 all over again — bugs in the software become part of the “spec”"Jun 03 03:45
DaemonFCyuckJun 03 03:45
DaemonFCI may just keep using x264Jun 03 03:45
oiaohmx264 they want to change you at every turn.Jun 03 03:46
oiaohmvp8 is more a counter attack.Jun 03 03:46
DaemonFCwhy no clear specs?Jun 03 03:46
DaemonFCwhy is Google's software the spec, bugs and all?Jun 03 03:46
oiaohmIts like all things.Jun 03 03:46
DaemonFCwhy is it missing basic encoder techniques that h.264 encoders have had for years?Jun 03 03:46
oiaohmYou have to prove something works.Jun 03 03:47
oiaohmBit like ODF format.Jun 03 03:47
DaemonFCeven WMV seems better than VP8Jun 03 03:47
DaemonFCquality-wiseJun 03 03:47
oiaohmOpenoffice creates test then write specs.Jun 03 03:47
oiaohmBecause lot of those so called basic encoder techniques are patented.Jun 03 03:47
oiaohmThere are quite a few updates to the encoder that can happen as the patents expire.Jun 03 03:47
oiaohmWithout effecting the decoder.Jun 03 03:48
DaemonFChe says faac and ffmpeg's aac encoder are crapJun 03 03:51
DaemonFCboth trueJun 03 03:51
DaemonFCand that faac isn't even really free software, also trueJun 03 03:51
DaemonFCfaac ends up in the non-free part of most linux repositoriesJun 03 03:51
DaemonFCbecause it contains a hefty amount of copypasted ISO reference codeJun 03 03:51
DaemonFCincluding the entire psy modelJun 03 03:52
DaemonFC(main reason it sucks)Jun 03 03:52
DaemonFCjust like mp3 whereas no decent encoder actually thinks about implementing the ISO reference psy modelJun 03 03:52
oiaohmLot are looking for reasons to attack vp8Jun 03 03:52
DaemonFCit's slow and full of bugsJun 03 03:52
oiaohmRemember vp8 beats the old flv cleanly.Jun 03 03:52
oiaohmThat has been used for years.Jun 03 03:53
oiaohmOut does old encodes of x264Jun 03 03:53
oiaohmSo its not completely useless.Jun 03 03:53
DaemonFCoiaohm, Do you figure that shitty reference psy models are deliberate?Jun 03 03:53
oiaohmYes.  DaemonFCJun 03 03:53
DaemonFCto try to make life harder for independent encoders?Jun 03 03:53
oiaohmYep.Jun 03 03:53
oiaohmThis is the catch with vp8.   A working reference is better than a spec sheet.Jun 03 03:54
DaemonFCI figured as much seeing as how that's how all ISO MPEG codecs seem to rollJun 03 03:54
DaemonFCreally nasty reference code Jun 03 03:54
DaemonFCand a godawful psy modelJun 03 03:54
oiaohmBecause working reference you can see if it performance sux'sJun 03 03:54
DaemonFCjust sufficient to show how a demonstration encoder can workJun 03 03:54
DaemonFCright?Jun 03 03:54
oiaohmand get the reference fixed so improving everyones time.Jun 03 03:54
DaemonFCbut not good enough to compete with their own encodersJun 03 03:54
oiaohmYep.Jun 03 03:54
oiaohmThat is the problem with no working reference.Jun 03 03:55
oiaohmThere is every reson to make it sux.Jun 03 03:55
oiaohmSo you have market advantage.Jun 03 03:55
DaemonFCLAME basically had to figure out their own psy model from scratchJun 03 03:55
DaemonFCand it took them years to get it nailed downJun 03 03:55
DaemonFCit murders the commercial encoders now, but the lousy reference code gave the other encoders a good 5 year lead over LAMEJun 03 03:56
oiaohmCan you now see where the argument for spec sheet is stupid.Jun 03 03:56
oiaohmYou want reference code that works as prime goal.Jun 03 03:57
DaemonFCI always figured the shitty reference code was deliberateJun 03 03:57
oiaohmSpecs are helpful.Jun 03 03:57
oiaohmBut the not working reference code causes worse issues.Jun 03 03:57
oiaohmBasically google with vp8 and openoffice did it the right way.   DaemonFCJun 03 03:59
oiaohmCreate a implementation then write the spec.Jun 03 03:59
oiaohmYou can always forbid stuff that don't work in the implementation in the spec.Jun 03 03:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@jnoubiyeh the #iraq parallels keep on coming. There was nothing legal about that invasion & no accountability. #freedomflotilla #israelJun 03 04:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] More ppl than ever now know #Israel has no limits. What happens next?Jun 03 04:10
DaemonFCoiaohm, Why does Nero give their AAC encoder away free?Jun 03 04:30
DaemonFChmm, this is interesting...Jun 03 04:45
DaemonFC--vbr-new activates some new VBR tweaksJun 03 04:45
DaemonFCnew lowpass settings and better noise quantization in sfb21Jun 03 04:51
DaemonFCB-)Jun 03 04:51
DaemonFCthis might even best VorbisJun 03 04:51
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oiaohmWho said its free DaemonFCJun 03 05:29
oiaohmNero holds patents on AACJun 03 05:29
DaemonFCfreewareJun 03 05:29
schestowitzhmmm... I can't reach the Techrights serverJun 03 05:30
schestowitzIs it just me?Jun 03 05:30
oiaohmDevices support AAC have to pay nero.  DaemonFCJun 03 05:30
DaemonFCso the more files out there, the more demandJun 03 05:30
DaemonFCthe more users bang their fist and demand hardware supportJun 03 05:30
DaemonFChence, freeware encoderJun 03 05:30
schestowitztessier: the server is unreachableJun 03 05:30
DaemonFCthe freeware encoder is all about format proliferation thenJun 03 05:31
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oiaohmYep DaemonFCJun 03 05:33
cubezzzat least I'm back to 320 meg :-/Jun 03 05:33
cubezzztoday suckedJun 03 05:34
cubezzzat least the 3rd dimm socket is OKJun 03 05:34
cubezzzthe damed Tyan S1846 board was DOAJun 03 05:35
oiaohmNow that is rareJun 03 05:35
cubezzzone of those deals $5 for the motherboard $20 for shippingJun 03 05:35
cubezzzused of courseJun 03 05:35
oiaohmThat explains things.Jun 03 05:36
oiaohmI never buy used motherboardsJun 03 05:36
cubezzzso I bought an expensive flash chip :)Jun 03 05:36
cubezzzthis is the first bad one I ever saw thoughJun 03 05:36
cubezzzoiaohm, I have no choiceJun 03 05:36
cubezzzI need slot 1 and coreboot supportJun 03 05:36
oiaohmI work with a electronic recycler.Jun 03 05:37
DaemonFCdamn itJun 03 05:37
oiaohmStuff electronic second hand I pickup for nothing.Jun 03 05:37
DaemonFCI hate it when I mouse over the taskbar by mistake while I'm reading somethingJun 03 05:37
DaemonFCand Aero Peek makes my browser invisibleJun 03 05:37
DaemonFC:PJun 03 05:37
schestowitztessier: pingJun 03 05:38
oiaohmOf course that is part payment for telling him what goes in the crusher and want can be sold on as still working.  cubezzzJun 03 05:38
oiaohmI have seen dead tyans before.Jun 03 05:38
DaemonFChmmm, Slashdot has an Are you a pirate pollJun 03 05:38
oiaohmNormally caused by dead power supply connected.   cubezzzJun 03 05:38
oiaohmWho would be mad enough to answer that DaemonFCJun 03 05:38
DaemonFCone of the options is "I have received letters from copyright holders/ISPs asking me to stop"Jun 03 05:39
DaemonFCthey don't have the right answer for meJun 03 05:39
DaemonFC"I have sent letters back telling them to go fuck themselves"Jun 03 05:39
oiaohmLink to pole it sounds like a intresting read.Jun 03 05:39
DaemonFChttp://slashdot.org/pollBooth.plJun 03 05:40
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cubezzzok, I blanked out for a minute thereJun 03 05:40
cubezzznot my dayJun 03 05:40
DaemonFChttp://idle.slashdot.org/story/10/06/02/1247250/Police-Investigating-Virtual-Furniture-Theft?art_pos=17Jun 03 05:41
TechrightsTitle: Slashdot Idle Story | Police Investigating Virtual Furniture Theft .::. Size~: 121.94 KBJun 03 05:41
DaemonFCjesus.....Jun 03 05:41
DaemonFCThere's no crime in Finland you know?Jun 03 05:41
DaemonFCThe police there investigate imaginary crimeJun 03 05:41
oiaohmI have a parrot and a peg leg, you insensitive clod!  << Now that is the best one from that DaemonFCJun 03 05:41
cubezzzoiaohm, if you ever come across tyan S1846 or S1834 let me knowJun 03 05:41
DaemonFCit's how they while away the hoiursJun 03 05:41
DaemonFC*hoursJun 03 05:41
oiaohmAre you in Australia cubezzzJun 03 05:41
cubezzzno, I'm in CanadaJun 03 05:42
oiaohmO boy you most likely don't want to pay the shipping.Jun 03 05:42
DaemonFC"AWWWWK!!! Walk the plank!" <cocks gun and points it at the parrot> "What did the bird say!?"Jun 03 05:42
DaemonFC:DJun 03 05:42
cubezzzhow bad could it be for just a motherboard?Jun 03 05:42
cubezzzthey aren't heavyJun 03 05:42
oiaohmTo get them there they have to be marked handle with care.Jun 03 05:43
oiaohmOr you can almost bet the box will be round by the time you get it.  cubezzzJun 03 05:43
cubezzzyeah, maybe not the best idea Jun 03 05:43
oiaohmTo have careful handing costs.Jun 03 05:44
oiaohmIf you don't care or the thing is unbreakable.Jun 03 05:44
oiaohmIts cheep.Jun 03 05:44
cubezzzI wonder if Tyan would have one that oldJun 03 05:44
oiaohmStupid as it sounds a small lawn mower engline block that is heavier buit is basically unbreakable is cheeper than sending a motherboard.Jun 03 05:45
DaemonFCit looks likie I finish the month with $98.47 on handJun 03 05:45
DaemonFCthe RIAA would have to sue me for the fillings in my teethJun 03 05:45
DaemonFCfuck emJun 03 05:45
DaemonFC:)Jun 03 05:45
cubezzzyeah they were talking copyright on the Canadian news todayJun 03 05:46
oiaohmMost likely.  cubezzzJun 03 05:46
cubezzzmaking removal of DRM illegal for startersJun 03 05:46
DaemonFCone of the advantages of being poor and having your income immune from being seized in a civil suit anywayJun 03 05:46
oiaohmI have always been supprised how offent I have needing a replacement tyan custom board and been able to get it inside 3 days.Jun 03 05:46
DaemonFCis that the threat of a lawsuit means less than nothing to meJun 03 05:46
cubezzznot sure what's up with that, or if it has any chance to become lawJun 03 05:46
DaemonFCI'd be more worried about my ISP booting meJun 03 05:47
DaemonFCthan an RIAA $100 million lawsuitJun 03 05:47
cubezzzoiaohm, but from where?Jun 03 05:47
cubezzzsome specialist maybeJun 03 05:47
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oiaohmFrom tyan themselves.Jun 03 05:47
oiaohmSome systems I work with have custom ordered tyan boards.Jun 03 05:47
cubezzzah, what are the prices like?Jun 03 05:47
oiaohmAbout 4 times a standard.Jun 03 05:48
oiaohmAnd tyan prices are not cheep to start off with.Jun 03 05:48
DaemonFCuggh, maybe that wasn't the best breakfast in the worldJun 03 05:48
cubezzzyeah, I guess it's ebay for me thenJun 03 05:48
DaemonFCa beefy 5 layer burrito and a beef burrito supreme that taco bell accidentally gave me yesterdayJun 03 05:49
cubezzzI bought this board new I'm using now: tyan S1832DLJun 03 05:49
DaemonFCfollowed by a Tai Pei chinese style pepper-beefJun 03 05:49
cubezzz12 years ago, still works fineJun 03 05:49
cubezzzoh there's another reason to learn to cook DaemonFCJun 03 05:49
DaemonFCnow all I need is a 24 ounce Budweiser to wash that down with and I'll be in bed with indigestion all dayJun 03 05:50
cubezzzbetter calorie control and better nutritionJun 03 05:50
DaemonFCI have an understanding with the microwaveJun 03 05:50
DaemonFCit makes me food, I don't ask it howJun 03 05:50
DaemonFCit's an equitable arrangementJun 03 05:50
DaemonFC:)Jun 03 05:50
DaemonFCI think once you close the door, Jesus zaps the food with his Jesus powersJun 03 05:51
DaemonFCand it comes out all hot and yummyJun 03 05:51
DaemonFC:DJun 03 05:52
DaemonFCdrill baby drillJun 03 05:52
DaemonFCin fact I think the US patent office granted Microsoft a patent on cooking food with Jesus powers, and they got Panasonic to agree to another protection agreementJun 03 05:54
DaemonFCI'm not 100% for sure on that, but it might explain why Internet Explorer is integrated into my cooking appliancesJun 03 05:55
DaemonFCspeaking of Internet Explorer....and back seriousnessJun 03 05:56
DaemonFCI wonder if they refreshed their "preview" of IE 9 yetJun 03 05:57
schestowitzServer's back :-D :-DJun 03 05:57
schestowitzDaemonFC: Panasonic??Jun 03 05:57
DaemonFCI have a Panasonic microwaveJun 03 05:57
cubezzzyou're still on windows :-PJun 03 05:57
DaemonFCthe first IE 9 preview had marginally improved standard support and crashed all the timeJun 03 05:58
DaemonFCI fail to see how this will be different than any other IE upgradeJun 03 05:58
DaemonFChey, they did update itJun 03 05:59
*DaemonFC goes to install out of morbid curiosity Jun 03 05:59
DaemonFCstill no address barJun 03 06:01
schestowitzPanasonic probably has many patentsJun 03 06:02
schestowitzAnd whether it x-licensed with MSFT or not, it never did sell Linux outJun 03 06:02
DaemonFCschestowitz, you should not see thisJun 03 06:03
DaemonFCat allJun 03 06:03
DaemonFCeverJun 03 06:03
DaemonFC:PJun 03 06:03
DaemonFChttp://img709.imageshack.us/img709/1894/49113565.pngJun 03 06:04
TechrightsTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/png type .::. Size~: 0 KBJun 03 06:04
DaemonFC:DJun 03 06:04
schestowitzhttp://thebln.com/2010/05/the-worlds-fastest-computers-use-intel-chips-with-linux-os-not-vista/ "94.6%"Jun 03 06:04
TechrightsTitle: The BLN  | The Worlds Fastest Computers use Intel chips with Linux OS  not Vista .::. Size~: 18.09 KBJun 03 06:04
schestowitzLinux up to 94.6%Jun 03 06:04
schestowitzWow!Jun 03 06:04
schestowitzDaemonFC: that's a pass grade.. at schoolJun 03 06:04
schestowitz*passingJun 03 06:05
DaemonFCyesJun 03 06:05
DaemonFCwe call it a DJun 03 06:05
schestowitzhttp://www.electronista.com/articles/10/05/31/google.says.windows.too.much.of.security.risk/Jun 03 06:05
schestowitzGood times for FSJun 03 06:05
TechrightsTitle: Google staff dropping Windows for Macs, Linux PCs | Electronista .::. Size~: 106.08 KBJun 03 06:05
schestowitzDaemonFC: D-mon?Jun 03 06:05
schestowitzWhat is the FC for BTW?Jun 03 06:06
schestowitzFarmer-CoulterJun 03 06:06
DaemonFCCoulter?Jun 03 06:06
schestowitzOutside the us FC is football clubJun 03 06:06
schestowitzDaemonFC: yeah, your dad is AnnJun 03 06:06
DaemonFCnopeJun 03 06:07
schestowitz"Luke...... I AM your father"Jun 03 06:07
DaemonFCAnn Coulter is even less of a nobody than Sarah PalinJun 03 06:07
DaemonFConly Fox Noise ever has her onJun 03 06:07
schestowitzSarah Palin is your next president thoughJun 03 06:07
schestowitzBe readyJun 03 06:07
DaemonFCdoubt itJun 03 06:08
schestowitzBrace yourself, collect tinned foodJun 03 06:08
DaemonFCthere's never been a female president beforeJun 03 06:08
schestowitz"Drill baby drill... me gots me some nukeelar too, but not for energy.... to scare Putin"Jun 03 06:08
DaemonFCa fine tradition that will be continued if Palin is electedJun 03 06:08
schestowitzDid you see TJ on Palin?Jun 03 06:09
DaemonFCschestowitz, I'm sure the courts would paper over it, but a female president is unconstitutionalJun 03 06:09
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=135SdtFzV2UJun 03 06:09
TechrightsTitle: YouTube- Sarah Palin?!?! .::. Size~: 97.41 KBJun 03 06:09
DaemonFCthe constitution always refers to a male in the role of presidentJun 03 06:09
schestowitzIt was written by brutes :-DJun 03 06:10
DaemonFCno it wasn'tJun 03 06:10
DaemonFCthey were demigodsJun 03 06:10
DaemonFCaccording to Fox NoiseJun 03 06:10
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_MerkelJun 03 06:10
TechrightsTitle: Angela Merkel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 188.95 KBJun 03 06:10
schestowitz"Merkel, elected to the German Parliament from Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, has been the chairman of the Christian Democratic Union  (CDU) since 10 April 2000, and Chairman of the CDU-CSU (Christian Social Union) parliamentary coalition from 2002 to 2005."Jun 03 06:11
schestowitzReligiousJun 03 06:11
DaemonFCso?Jun 03 06:11
schestowitz"From 2005 to 2009 she led a grand coalition with the Christian Social Union (CSU), its Bavarian sister party, and the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD), formed after the 2005 federal election on 22 November 2005."Jun 03 06:11
DaemonFCthey've had worse ChancellorsJun 03 06:11
DaemonFC;)Jun 03 06:11
schestowitzDaemonFC: in Europe there's more secularismJun 03 06:12
schestowitzAnd so, there's less likelihood of leaders being religiously motivated like in the USJun 03 06:12
DaemonFCpossiblyJun 03 06:12
DaemonFCa right wing government is a right wing governmentJun 03 06:12
DaemonFCyou're arguing about how much they publicly rub it in that they're an idiotJun 03 06:13
DaemonFChmmm, the new VBR mode seems to work a lot like the Y switch didJun 03 06:16
DaemonFConly much more preciseJun 03 06:16
DaemonFCnice :)Jun 03 06:16
schestowitzWill you speak to Samsung?Jun 03 06:23
schestowitzThey referred you to call centresJun 03 06:23
schestowitzThey'll try to push you around until you give upJun 03 06:23
schestowitzAnd that sort of helps them say, "we didn't ignore"Jun 03 06:23
DaemonFCI'll call themJun 03 06:25
schestowitzhttp://phonereport.info/nokias-flagship-smartphone-n900-sales-fail-to-impress/Jun 03 06:33
schestowitz"Unlike what the source suggested, the N900 sold 100 000 units in the first five weeks, and not months. This changes the outlook, although still quite low in comparison to its rivals."Jun 03 06:33
TechrightsTitle: Updated: Nokias Flagship Smartphone N900 Sales Fail to Impress | PhoneReport v2.0 .::. Size~: 49.46 KBJun 03 06:33
schestowitzGartner liesJun 03 06:33
schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/iPhone-leak-is-getting-bigger-Update-1012575.htmlJun 03 06:35
TechrightsTitle: iPhone leak is getting bigger - Update - The H Security: News and Features .::. Size~: 37.44 KBJun 03 06:35
schestowitzDaemonFC: who will you talk to?Jun 03 06:35
schestowitzThey are not compliance people, they might try to push you b/w numbers/extensionsJun 03 06:36
schestowitzDaemonFC: /join #sflc is neededJun 03 06:36
DaemonFCwhy?Jun 03 06:39
DaemonFC:PJun 03 06:39
DaemonFCnobody seems to do anything about GPL violationsJun 03 06:39
DaemonFCthat's why so much of the source code is misappropriatedJun 03 06:40
cubezzzwhat about the FSF?Jun 03 06:40
cubezzzok, do you think this deal is good: Gigabyte GA-6BXC motherboard, p3 550, and 384 megs of ram for $50 deliveredJun 03 06:41
cubezzzcoreboot compatibleJun 03 06:41
DaemonFCI've found better systems than that dumpster divingJun 03 06:41
DaemonFC:)Jun 03 06:42
schestowitzI just got this by email: "We'd like to invite you to Linsux.org, to discuss the finer points of Open Source software and the Open Source movement on the whole."Jun 03 06:42
schestowitz??Jun 03 06:42
cubezzzblahJun 03 06:42
cubezzzsounds like a waste of timeJun 03 06:42
schestowitzNExt week we submit an IEEE paperJun 03 06:42
schestowitzAt least those trolls hardly bother us anymoreJun 03 06:43
schestowitzIn general, we've not been trolled for almost a yearJun 03 06:43
cubezzzthey cared about stuff like fast downloading of torrentsJun 03 06:43
DaemonFChttp://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20006588-503544.htmlJun 03 06:49
TechrightsTitle: George W. Bush Gets a Facebook Page - Political Hotsheet - CBS News .::. Size~: 76.79 KBJun 03 06:49
DaemonFCschestowitz, Want to hear something funny?Jun 03 06:55
schestowitzSureJun 03 06:55
DaemonFCI got a car insurance quote from 21st Century, turned out they would be $102 more expenvie per 6 monthsJun 03 06:56
DaemonFCso I got a follow up letter todayJun 03 06:56
DaemonFC"We can save you up to -$102, contact the agent below today"Jun 03 06:57
DaemonFC:DJun 03 06:57
DaemonFCWe can take more of your money than the other guys!Jun 03 06:58
DaemonFCGive us a call!Jun 03 06:58
DaemonFCthey're not that great at sharing information eitherJun 03 07:01
DaemonFChalf of them want to give me a good driver discountJun 03 07:01
DaemonFCthe other half remember that time I hit a pedestrian jogging down the road listening to his ipodJun 03 07:01
DaemonFCwhich must have made it at leas 20 feet past where he landedJun 03 07:02
schestowitzWeird. The Fried shill covers Linux?? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20006617-56.htmlJun 03 07:03
TechrightsTitle: Hands-on with the Kno tablet | Beyond Binary - CNET News .::. Size~: 112.76 KBJun 03 07:03
DaemonFCI saw what he was doing, he was messing around with the dial and not paying attention to the fact that he was running into an open intersectionJun 03 07:03
DaemonFCbut of course it's my faultJun 03 07:04
DaemonFC:PJun 03 07:04
schestowitzYeah, I hear these stories all the timeJun 03 07:04
schestowitzA mate of mine also ran over some guy in xmasJun 03 07:04
schestowitzHe listened to hypePodJun 03 07:04
schestowitzHere we had ads campaigns about itJun 03 07:05
amarsh04back in a few, restarting kdeJun 03 07:05
schestowitzDifferent posters with people lying down on the road with hypePodJun 03 07:05
schestowitzamarsh04: KDE 4.4 rarely requires thatJun 03 07:05
DaemonFCthey need to make joggers carry hypepod insurance to compensate motorists who get their premium jacked up for hitting themJun 03 07:05
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DaemonFCDon't you agree? :)Jun 03 07:05
schestowitz4.3 leaked some RAM for me, so once a week I gave kde a kickJun 03 07:05
schestowitzDaemonFC: just PMPs in general... and cellphonesJun 03 07:06
schestowitzIt's more common with phones, I think, inc. texting which is worseJun 03 07:06
DaemonFCschestowitz, it's illegal to listen to any kind of PMP when drivingJun 03 07:07
DaemonFCthat doesn't stop me thoughJun 03 07:07
DaemonFChow do they enforce that?Jun 03 07:07
DaemonFCyou can't even see the person is wearing the earbudsJun 03 07:07
cubezzzwith finesJun 03 07:07
cubezzzespecially if you have an accidentJun 03 07:07
DaemonFCif you have an accident, take it off and throw it in the gloveboxJun 03 07:08
DaemonFCproblem solvedJun 03 07:08
DaemonFCif you get pulled over, throw it under the seatJun 03 07:08
DaemonFC:)Jun 03 07:08
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DaemonFCit was probably much easier to enforce that law when a PMP was a Sony Walkman cassette player and the headphones were way bigger tooJun 03 07:09
DaemonFCthough I have to say I liked the FM tuner on my walkman better :PJun 03 07:10
DaemonFCMSI LiveUpdate requires Internet ExplorerJun 03 07:11
DaemonFCso I go there in Internet Explorer and the ActiveX applet crashes Internet ExplorerJun 03 07:11
schestowitzhttp://www.the-source.com/2010/06/upstart-woes/Jun 03 07:16
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schestowitzJun 03 07:16
schestowitz[07:07] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, it's illegal to listen to any kind of PMP when drivingJun 03 07:16
schestowitzBut radio OK?Jun 03 07:16
DaemonFCyou can't have headphones onJun 03 07:16
DaemonFCbut yeah, it's legal to have the stereo as loud as you wantJun 03 07:16
schestowitzyou won't hear hornsJun 03 07:17
schestowitzhonking in vainJun 03 07:17
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DaemonFC"Team Apologista"Jun 03 07:23
DaemonFClolJun 03 07:23
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DaemonFCif Novell tanks, Mono goes with itJun 03 07:24
DaemonFCthen jono  can stab the Monobuntu crapplications to deathJun 03 07:25
DaemonFCand replace them with beautiful Python snippetsJun 03 07:25
cubezzzcrapplicationsJun 03 07:26
cubezzzcrapplication = any software you don't have source code forJun 03 07:27
DaemonFCyes, crapplicationsJun 03 07:27
DaemonFCalso known as crappletsJun 03 07:27
DaemonFCUsed in a sentence: "I just turned on my new computer, and much to my horror, the thing was swarming with crapplications like the Microsoft Office trial, and crapplets were dancing around my taskbar asking me to purchase Norton Antiviirus"Jun 03 07:29
schestowitzMidnight snacking damages the teeth, experts warn http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/10203945.stmJun 03 07:29
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schestowitzDaemonFC: I think Canonical moved to ValaJun 03 07:30
schestowitzDavidS uses it for UnityJun 03 07:30
DaemonFCthey did back out of the Yahoo dealJun 03 07:30
schestowitzAnd Zimmerman knows Mono has issues. He's CTOJun 03 07:30
schestowitzDaemonFC: yeahJun 03 07:30
schestowitzAfter the former Microsoft employee announced it he also announced burying itJun 03 07:31
schestowitzThey said it would confuse usersJun 03 07:31
schestowitzBut I'm not sure that's the true causeJun 03 07:31
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Feds Move to Block Transocean's Bid To Cap Damages For Gulf Oil Spill http://ur1.ca/0561iJun 03 07:33
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzoGgUOGB-wJun 03 07:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] ARM press release, Chip firms combine to form new venture company named Linaro to boost Linux investments. http://is.gd/cAEujJun 03 08:06
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tessierI am going to cron httpd to restart every 24 hours. What time PDT is best for you? Something about php or wordpress or whatever is causing it to do this every so often. The server/proxy/network etc. are solid.Jun 03 08:11
tessierschestowitz: Do you have root on the server? If so you can do /etc/init.d/httpd restartJun 03 08:11
tessierAt any time when httpd hangs like thatJun 03 08:11
tessierIf I'm not around or whateverJun 03 08:12
schestowitzAh, I see...Jun 03 08:12
schestowitzHow was it resoled earlier?Jun 03 08:12
tessierI ssh'd in from my iphone and restarted it. :)Jun 03 08:12
tessierI was playing racquetball when you rang and didn't see the phone ring right away. Very noisy in the racquetball court.Jun 03 08:12
schestowitzOh, I see...Jun 03 08:13
schestowitzIt was down for maybe a couple of hours, I'm not sureJun 03 08:13
schestowitzI had woken upJun 03 08:13
schestowitztessier: thanks so muchJun 03 08:13
*DaemonFC loads Dead Bodies Everywhere by Korn and turns the subwoofers upJun 03 08:13
*DaemonFC wonders if the asshole downstairs will get the messageJun 03 08:13
MinceRj0Jun 03 08:17
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nncPtxLCPrEJun 03 08:18
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schestowitzDaemonFC: your friend Rush. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O3cNc2JoMAJun 03 08:24
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DaemonFCgod dammitJun 03 08:28
DaemonFCWindows wants the nuclear launch codeJun 03 08:28
DaemonFCI had to call the activation numberJun 03 08:34
DaemonFCthat's always funJun 03 08:35
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A24Pa0c6PeQJun 03 08:35
TechrightsTitle: YouTube- Chris Pirillo Trying to Activate Windows Xp .::. Size~: 85.75 KBJun 03 08:35
DaemonFCLMAO @ 1:58Jun 03 08:38
DaemonFCI HATE YOU!!!!!!!Jun 03 08:38
DaemonFC"Please wait while I submit the information you provided"Jun 03 08:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Microsoft's "independent" security consultant tries to argue moving to Linux or Mac will not be safer. http://is.gd/cAGER #floss #fossJun 03 08:39
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DaemonFCapparently an early SP1 build for Windows 7 has leakedJun 03 08:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Ars Technica sings for it's supper. http://is.gd/cAHDv #floss #foss #fud #embarrassingJun 03 08:57
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schestowitzDaemonFC: "Windows wants the nuclear launch code," eh?Jun 03 09:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @satipera Peter Bright is Ars' Microsoft person. He *always* takes Microsoft's side. I want to see what Schneier saysJun 03 09:04
DaemonFCyeah thats what I call itJun 03 09:04
DaemonFCyou have to read off like 50 numbersJun 03 09:04
schestowitzI hope real nuclear launch code aren't as easy to crack as Microsoft'sJun 03 09:04
DaemonFCand then it tells you a bunch more to type inJun 03 09:04
schestowitzDaemonFC: 50 numbers for a faulty thingJun 03 09:04
schestowitzMicrosoft makes it easy on purposeJun 03 09:05
schestowitzImagine if it made is harder for people in ChinaJun 03 09:05
schestowitzMicrosoft cries... like a crocodileJun 03 09:05
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @schestowitz: Yes, only starting to get inkling of who is who, that is why I thought potted bio of industry players on TR would be good ideaJun 03 09:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @satipera they find that offensiveJun 03 09:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @jmcesteves: RT @RaysTechLawHash Discussion: EU To Monitor All Internet Searches via @Slashdot http://bit.ly/auZRVdJun 03 09:21
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] just one hour to go for telecast on math tool (FOSS) from NCERT studio , well you can watch us on Internet too vlc mms://124.124.36.38/gd1Jun 03 09:36
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] The obvious conflicts of interest in the credit rating industry are belatedly beginning to be addressed. http://is.gd/cAKykJun 03 09:49
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Member of a police authority has said on the radio that violent crime doubles on days England are playing in a major competition. #worldcupJun 03 10:05
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Looking through the news today reminds me of a famous piece of advice "Do not believe anything you hear and half that you see"Jun 03 10:22
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DaemonFCschestowitz, This new VBR algorithm is epicJun 03 10:49
DaemonFCit seems to me that it almost completely works around the biggest flaw in the MP3 formatJun 03 10:50
MinceRwhich is?Jun 03 10:51
DaemonFCscalefactor band 21 Jun 03 10:51
DaemonFC:)Jun 03 10:51
DaemonFCthe missing scalefactor band for >16 KhzJun 03 10:52
DaemonFCleading to incredibly bloated VBR MP3s -or- setting a lowpass filter and ignoring everything above that completelyJun 03 10:52
MinceRicJun 03 10:54
DaemonFCsome files end up incredibly smaller with the new VBR algorithmJun 03 10:54
DaemonFCand some end up a little biggerJun 03 10:55
DaemonFCbut the thing that remains the same in all cases is that the lowpass has been bumped way up at every quality levelJun 03 10:55
DaemonFCIt seems to be around 20.2 Khz at V0 nowJun 03 10:55
DaemonFCthis isn't jsut a tweak, it's an entirely new VBR algorithmJun 03 10:56
DaemonFCthat much is apparentJun 03 10:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] JP Morgan fined 33 million pounds by FSA. http://is.gd/cAOdlJun 03 10:57
TechrightsTitle: FSA hands J.P. Morgan Securities record £33.32m fine - IFAonline          .::. Size~: 65.76 KBJun 03 10:57
DaemonFCMinceR, I should run ABX just for funJun 03 10:59
DaemonFCsee how this stacks up to AoTuv Vorbis and Nero AAC :PJun 03 10:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] http://bit.ly/cOkXx3 "Chip giants establish Linux group for phones, TVs" http://linaro.org/ Some big companies/names there!Jun 03 11:12
TechrightsTitle: Chip giants establish Linux group for phones, TVs - Computerworld .::. Size~: 78.81 KBJun 03 11:12
TechrightsTitle: Linaro - Software foundations for an open digital world .::. Size~: 8.38 KBJun 03 11:12
DaemonFClolJun 03 11:17
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Flash fucking sucks http://ur1.ca/057r7Jun 03 11:18
TechrightsTitle: Oppugn.us: Where The Rants Go .::. Size~: 10.28 KBJun 03 11:18
DaemonFCAMazon MP3 has some that were encoded ith LAME 3.91Jun 03 11:18
DaemonFCLAME 3.91    December 29 2001Jun 03 11:18
DaemonFCniceJun 03 11:18
DaemonFC"This one's a candy corn!"Jun 03 11:23
DaemonFC"Well, they can't all be winners, can they?"Jun 03 11:23
DaemonFC:DJun 03 11:23
DaemonFCHere, let's use a 9 year old MP3 encoder to do up some heavy metal, that'll go over wellJun 03 11:25
DaemonFCThe good news is they were all deaf already anyway?Jun 03 11:26
DaemonFC:DJun 03 11:26
DaemonFCMinceR, http://www.tgdaily.com/mobility-brief/50053-att-dives-off-the-deep-end-and-eliminates-unlimited-dataJun 03 11:31
TechrightsTitle: AT&T dives off the deep end, expunging unlimited data | TG Daily .::. Size~: 46.26 KBJun 03 11:31
DaemonFCiRaped by the hypephone?Jun 03 11:31
DaemonFCyet againJun 03 11:32
DaemonFC:PJun 03 11:32
DaemonFChttp://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/49998-hurt-locker-producer-sues-5000-bittorerent-usersJun 03 11:32
TechrightsTitle: Hurt Locker producer sues 5,000 BitTorerent users | TG Daily .::. Size~: 57.44 KBJun 03 11:32
DaemonFCthat guy deserves to be hurt and shoved into a lockerJun 03 11:32
DaemonFCjust my opinion :)Jun 03 11:33
MinceRand then locked and put on a fire?Jun 03 11:33
oiaohmOk linaro is arm's open source face.Jun 03 11:34
DaemonFChttp://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-0603-porn-stabbing-20100603,0,2731768.storyJun 03 11:38
TechrightsTitle: Porn actor slashes co-worker to death, injures 2 others, police say - latimes.com .::. Size~: 115.26 KBJun 03 11:38
DaemonFCRon Jeremy is loose wit ha chainsaw strapped to his.....Jun 03 11:40
DaemonFCerrrr, rightJun 03 11:40
MinceRhe has a chainsaw strapped to his right?Jun 03 11:43
DaemonFCuhhhmJun 03 11:44
DaemonFCmanhoodJun 03 11:44
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*DaemonFC wonders when there will be a DoubleTwist for LinuxJun 03 11:45
DaemonFChttp://www.doubletwist.com/dt/Home/Index.dtJun 03 11:45
TechrightsTitle:  Sync Android, PSP, BlackBerry, Pre: doubleTwist with Amazon MP3  .::. Size~: 10 KBJun 03 11:45
DaemonFCWindows Media Player has to be the single shittiest thing you can sync a PMP withJun 03 11:46
MinceRnot hypeTunes?Jun 03 11:46
DaemonFCif it thinks your device doesn't understand a format, it silently turns it into a Windows Media fileJun 03 11:47
DaemonFCand doesn't even warn youJun 03 11:47
DaemonFCworse than itunesJun 03 11:47
DaemonFCyou can end up with a pile of transcoded WMAs on your media player real easyJun 03 11:48
oiaohmDaemonFC: again how does MS make money with WMAJun 03 11:49
oiaohmYes pricks at work.Jun 03 11:49
DaemonFCPlaysForNow/FailsForSure is deadJun 03 11:50
DaemonFCyou tell meJun 03 11:50
DaemonFC:)Jun 03 11:50
DaemonFCthey only charge 10 cents per device to decodeJun 03 11:50
oiaohmYep and that adds up.Jun 03 11:50
DaemonFCI'd opt to not support Windows Media at allJun 03 11:50
oiaohmOver a few million.Jun 03 11:50
oiaohmBasically the auto transcoding is all about MS making money.Jun 03 11:51
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schestowitzGood debunking from Australia: http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4208Jun 03 11:53
TechrightsTitle: The Westall '66 UFO .::. Size~: 34.75 KBJun 03 11:53
DaemonFCoiaohm, wireless mouse and keyboard are still on the batteries I put in 2 days agoJun 03 11:53
DaemonFCthese things used to suck them down as fast as you could put them inJun 03 11:54
oiaohmPartly depends on the batteriesJun 03 11:55
oiaohmand partly depends on there controls.Jun 03 11:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @satipera £33.32bn would be more appropriate a fineJun 03 11:57
oiaohmBut you can still bet the battires will die at the worse possible time DaemonFCJun 03 11:57
DaemonFCoiaohm, I remember a Winamp forum moderator claiming that the $20 you pay for Winamp Pro is not covering Winamp development at allJun 03 12:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @satipera That index has not been updated for years.Jun 03 12:01
DaemonFCyou're just buying patent licenses for the MP3 and AAC encodersJun 03 12:01
oiaohmThat is about right.Jun 03 12:02
schestowitzIs winamp still going?Jun 03 12:02
DaemonFCschestowitz, yesJun 03 12:02
schestowitzit was my first MP3 playerJun 03 12:02
schestowitzI think I used 0.5 or 7Jun 03 12:02
schestowitzBack then having a normal bitrate without compression would take up a lot of your hard-driveJun 03 12:03
schestowitzSo CDs and cassettes made some practical sensJun 03 12:04
schestowitz*seJun 03 12:04
oiaohmhttp://www.blendernation.com/art-for-code-ready-for-general-usage/   This is going to get interesting.Jun 03 12:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @JNegocios: Bruxelas ameaça levar caso Magalhães ao Tribunal de Justiça http://xl.pt/r/bvEFLvJun 03 12:04
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DaemonFCWinamp is still aroundJun 03 12:06
DaemonFCand the license I bought years back still worksJun 03 12:06
DaemonFC2002 I'm thinkingJun 03 12:06
oiaohmhttp://www.blendernation.com/current-blender-projects-and-gsoc-update/  Just under 13 mins of video 16 machine setup highres render about 20 days.Jun 03 12:06
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schestowitzhttp://www.ghabuntu.com/2010/06/can-we-get-break-from-ipad-number.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+luqman+%28GHABUNTU%29 "Paid press means nothing. And besides, a DRM laden gadget like that will entertain until people realize they will have to continuously buy content to it. IMHO, it's a big #fail that PR is making a "hit"."Jun 03 12:08
TechrightsTitle: Can we get a break from the iPad number crunching please? | GHABUNTU .::. Size~: 68.02 KBJun 03 12:08
DaemonFCschestowitz, pre-2.65, Winamp had a really buggy MP3 decoderJun 03 12:09
DaemonFCNitraneJun 03 12:09
DaemonFChttp://mp3decoders.mp3-tech.org/decoders_winamp2_62.htmlJun 03 12:09
TechrightsTitle: Winamp v2.62 mp3 decoding quality test results .::. Size~: 10.72 KBJun 03 12:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Today is a picnic kind of day. Picnic made, off to Frimley Lodge Park shortly. http://bit.ly/d5Qo4LJun 03 12:09
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DaemonFCschestowitz, The FhG Encoder 1.5 or MPG123 0.59 or later are fine decodersJun 03 12:11
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/34633815 "is there any free/libre alternative to gmail? I kind of wanna get rid of the privacy issues involving usint it "Jun 03 12:12
TechrightsTitle: Youknowwho (youknowwhoxzy) 's status on Thursday, 03-Jun-10 08:49:28 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.67 KBJun 03 12:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @daguayoc #gnewbook reached 3220 users!! #ftw #gnu #fsfJun 03 12:12
DaemonFCWianmp now uses FhG and Foobar2000 uses mpg123Jun 03 12:12
DaemonFCI like mpg123 better myselfJun 03 12:12
schestowitzhow about registering your own domain with pop3?Jun 03 12:12
schestowitzI was thinking, why should I mail people with hotmail/gmail accountsJun 03 12:12
schestowitzI give not just my browser history but personal messages too to companies that are open to snoopsJun 03 12:13
DaemonFCschestowitz, ISPs tend to try and block thatJun 03 12:13
schestowitzSmaller ones tooJun 03 12:13
schestowitzNot ISPJun 03 12:13
schestowitzBut hostJun 03 12:13
schestowitzI encrypt at ISP lebelJun 03 12:14
schestowitz*levelJun 03 12:14
oiaohmIf you have a domain registered you are free to run your own mail servers.Jun 03 12:14
DaemonFCTheir excuse is that worms like to use those portsJun 03 12:14
DaemonFCthe real deal is they want you to pay them more to unblock those portsJun 03 12:14
oiaohmBut really it does not stop your stuff from being snooped.Jun 03 12:14
schestowitzI've used my own domain since around 2002Jun 03 12:14
schestowitzBefore that I used Yahoo.comJun 03 12:14
oiaohmemail should be treated like post cards with where post man is allowed to photo copy at will and give to who ever they like.Jun 03 12:15
schestowitzBefore that I had mail accounts with my ISPJun 03 12:15
oiaohmIf you don't want that happening you should encrypt.Jun 03 12:15
schestowitzBack in the days when people would use AOL E-mailsJun 03 12:15
DaemonFCISP email is evilJun 03 12:15
schestowitzI knowJun 03 12:15
schestowitzI heard storiesJun 03 12:15
schestowitzcox for exampleJun 03 12:15
DaemonFCit's one of those things they use to trap you with themJun 03 12:15
schestowitzThey open and shareJun 03 12:15
oiaohmPeople dont take there privacy serously.Jun 03 12:15
schestowitzHere we also have phormJun 03 12:15
DaemonFCthen when you leave they shut down your email accountJun 03 12:15
DaemonFCand delete everythingJun 03 12:15
schestowitzThey mine people's data, profile that, and then SELL IT!!!!!!!!!11Jun 03 12:16
schestowitzYou don't even opt INJun 03 12:16
oiaohmEvil ones data mine the email that passes threw them.Jun 03 12:16
oiaohmSo it makes no difference schestowitzJun 03 12:16
DaemonFCschestowitz, DirecTV spies on you through the descrambler boxJun 03 12:16
DaemonFCyou have to notice the opt-out thing on your account pageJun 03 12:16
schestowitzDaemonFC: yeahJun 03 12:16
schestowitzTiVo phones homeevery nightJun 03 12:17
oiaohmIf you know you are being watched it really does not change things.Jun 03 12:17
schestowitzSends data like when you put up and down the volume too!Jun 03 12:17
schestowitzLater they can see who's responding how to the show/sJun 03 12:17
schestowitzoiaohm: it does to meJun 03 12:17
DaemonFCI opted outJun 03 12:17
DaemonFCbut who knows....Jun 03 12:17
DaemonFC:PJun 03 12:17
schestowitzWhen I type something in Google's JS-enabled search bar I do thinkJun 03 12:17
schestowitzI assume someone is watching and recording permanentlyJun 03 12:18
schestowitzBecause they do :-)Jun 03 12:18
DaemonFCschestowitz, you should use BingJun 03 12:18
schestowitzHahaJun 03 12:18
DaemonFCthey care about your privacyJun 03 12:18
schestowitzNo wayJun 03 12:18
DaemonFCMozilla endorses themJun 03 12:18
schestowitzMicrosoft is worseJun 03 12:18
DaemonFC:DJun 03 12:18
schestowitzMicrosoft shares data and profiles publiclyJun 03 12:18
schestowitzDaemonFC: it doesn'tJun 03 12:18
schestowitzNot even AsaJun 03 12:18
schestowitzTaken out of contextrJun 03 12:19
schestowitzHe removed that postJun 03 12:19
MinceRScroogle and Ixquick care about your privacyJun 03 12:19
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2009/12/21/asa-dotzler-misquoted/Jun 03 12:19
TechrightsTitle: Mozilla Does Not Endorse Microsofts Search, Media Distortions to Blame | Techrights .::. Size~: 103.42 KBJun 03 12:19
DaemonFCMicrosoft and Mozilla seem to be in collusion more than competition Jun 03 12:19
schestowitzNopeJun 03 12:19
schestowitzThey just target WindowsJun 03 12:20
schestowitzSo they need to work with Windows people on compatibilityJun 03 12:20
DaemonFCHelp us make Silverlight work better in Firefox and we'll show you how to optimize Firefox for WindowsJun 03 12:20
schestowitzTo help shatter MSIEJun 03 12:20
DaemonFC:PJun 03 12:20
MinceRthey need to work on windows people, with a sledgehammerJun 03 12:20
schestowitzNoJun 03 12:21
DaemonFCI'm going to go get a banana cappucinoJun 03 12:21
schestowitzNot /those/ peopleJun 03 12:21
schestowitzThey need to pull users out of MSIE firstJun 03 12:21
schestowitzAnd EU Commission forces Microsoft to cooperateJun 03 12:21
schestowitzAnd make the ballotsJun 03 12:21
schestowitzMicrosoft SPIN: Microsoft made the ballots cause it's niceJun 03 12:21
DaemonFCI tasted one the other day and it tastes just like that oil they used on the picture tube making machinery at the old Thomson plant smelledJun 03 12:22
schestowitzReality: Microsoft faced huge fines unless it implemented it (which it did, poorly, with bugs and MSIE clones)Jun 03 12:22
oiaohmIf it was nice it would be doing the ballots everywhere.  schestowitzJun 03 12:22
DaemonFCthat's the first thing I thought of when I took a sipJun 03 12:22
schestowitzBeeP waterJun 03 12:22
schestowitzGives you h2o and energy as wellJun 03 12:23
schestowitzYou can now lives on just water :-)Jun 03 12:23
schestowitzFrom LouisianaJun 03 12:23
schestowitzThey call it "wonder water"Jun 03 12:23
DaemonFCyeah, it's not going so well for the polar bears and penguins you know?Jun 03 12:23
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0u6eJB9GLYJun 03 12:23
TechrightsTitle: YouTube- James Randi Speaks: Powered by Sunlight .::. Size~: 97.97 KBJun 03 12:23
schestowitzBrilliantJun 03 12:23
DaemonFCthe ones off the Louisiana coastJun 03 12:24
DaemonFC:DJun 03 12:24
DaemonFCall drowning in oilJun 03 12:24
DaemonFCwhat has actually diedJun 03 12:24
DaemonFCseriously?Jun 03 12:24
DaemonFCsome fish and ducks?Jun 03 12:24
DaemonFCNewegg is selling Keurig coffee makers nowJun 03 12:27
DaemonFC:PJun 03 12:27
schestowitzhttp://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ubuntu-10.04-lucid-lynx,2634.htmlJun 03 12:28
TechrightsTitle: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS: Lucid Lynx Benchmarked And Reviewed : Introduction .::. Size~: 104.41 KBJun 03 12:28
DaemonFCWhat kind of douche buys a $137 coffee maker that makes one cup at a time so they can turn around and pay more to get it in those weird K-Cup things?Jun 03 12:28
schestowitzYou're joking, right?Jun 03 12:28
schestowitz[12:24] <DaemonFC> what has actually diedJun 03 12:28
schestowitzOK, you must have joked Jun 03 12:28
DaemonFCyesJun 03 12:28
schestowitzEither that, or you choose to be a buffoonJun 03 12:28
DaemonFCI have a sense of humorJun 03 12:29
schestowitzThere's plenty of fish in the seaJun 03 12:29
schestowitzJust fewer than there used to be Jun 03 12:29
DaemonFCI say things that are blatantly false, obviosuly false as if I am sure of it sometimesJun 03 12:29
DaemonFCit's flame baitJun 03 12:29
DaemonFCjust ignore it :PJun 03 12:29
schestowitz'Only 50 years left' for sea fish http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6108414.stmJun 03 12:29
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schestowitzhttp://www.popsci.com/environment/article/2009-05/yesterdays-fish-populations-even-bigger-and-more-diverse-previously-thoughtJun 03 12:29
TechrightsTitle: Fifty Years Ago, Fish Were Bigger; Fifty Years From Now, They'll Be Gone | Popular Science .::. Size~: 77.48 KBJun 03 12:29
DaemonFC06/03/2010 04:55:00OUT FOR DELIVERY[I]FORT WAYNE, IN, USJun 03 12:32
DaemonFCyay!Jun 03 12:32
DaemonFCmy GPU arrives todayJun 03 12:32
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/new?replyto=youknowwhoxzy&inreplyto=34648126 "@schestowitz I don't know ,at some point I might, but I don't feel like it right now...oh, well I'll stick with gmail for now..."Jun 03 12:39
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schestowitzSome people take the cheap routeJun 03 12:40
schestowitzThey let someone else open their mailJun 03 12:40
schestowitzAnd the storage they are given is worth only 1.5 centsJun 03 12:40
schestowitzThe price of liberty can be higherJun 03 12:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @satipera turns out Microsoft Jack is leaving, but not entirelyJun 03 12:42
DaemonFCschestowitz, What sucks about online shopping is that you can't trust any customer commernts or reviewsJun 03 12:42
schestowitzDaemonFC:gpu for gamingJun 03 12:42
DaemonFCcause companies pay people who never bought the damend thing to write rave reviews about itJun 03 12:42
schestowitzMy friend told me this morning to go on WoWJun 03 12:42
DaemonFC*damnedJun 03 12:43
schestowitzHe laughed when I told him I don't want to get addictedJun 03 12:43
schestowitzI had to quite ET... twiceJun 03 12:43
schestowitzIt didn't take the first time :0-)Jun 03 12:43
DaemonFCyes, there's a guy down the street about a blockJun 03 12:43
DaemonFCwho sits in front of his computer and plays WoWJun 03 12:43
schestowitzHe gves you a GPU transplant?Jun 03 12:43
DaemonFCshirtless, with the curtains pulledJun 03 12:43
DaemonFChe's turning into a manateeJun 03 12:44
schestowitzSHirtless in summer is OKJun 03 12:44
schestowitzUnless you're femaleJun 03 12:44
DaemonFCman boobiesJun 03 12:44
schestowitzmanatee is not coolJun 03 12:44
schestowitzUnhealthyJun 03 12:44
DaemonFCflab evenJun 03 12:44
schestowitzOh waitJun 03 12:44
schestowitzI saw him...Jun 03 12:44
schestowitzhttp://thenakedpheasant.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/fat-man-at-computer.jpgJun 03 12:44
TechrightsTitle: Error processing the URL:  .::. Size~: 0 KBJun 03 12:44
schestowitzThat's him, right?Jun 03 12:44
DaemonFCcloseJun 03 12:45
schestowitzThere's this saying, "on the Internet nobody know you're a dog"Jun 03 12:45
schestowitzMicrosoft execs passed this cartoon in private E-mailsJun 03 12:45
schestowitzLikewise:Jun 03 12:45
schestowitz"on the Internet nobody know you're fat"Jun 03 12:46
schestowitz"on the Internet nobody know you're shirtless"Jun 03 12:46
schestowitz"on the Internet nobody know you're multitasking with some other games/programs"Jun 03 12:46
schestowitzSome people can't multitaskJun 03 12:46
schestowitzIf they VoIP, that's all they doJun 03 12:46
oiaohmNot exactly true schestowitz some people leave web cams open.Jun 03 12:46
schestowitzIf they are on IRC, they sit there waiting for repliesJun 03 12:47
MinceR"on the Internet nobody knows if you're a dog"Jun 03 12:47
schestowitzThat's the analogue wayJun 03 12:47
schestowitzIt's also called....... "I'm a Mac!"Jun 03 12:47
DaemonFCClamWin has been worked on a bitJun 03 12:47
MinceRoiaohm: some people might also _fake_ leave their web cams open. :>Jun 03 12:47
schestowitzoops*Jun 03 12:47
schestowitz*knowsJun 03 12:47
schestowitzI copied the typoJun 03 12:47
DaemonFCit now has signatures for Windows system files so it doesn't flag any of them as malware and delete themJun 03 12:47
oiaohmOn the internet sometimes you see items you wish your brain had a delete button.Jun 03 12:47
DaemonFCthat's comforting I guessJun 03 12:47
MinceR"what has been seen can not be unseen"?Jun 03 12:48
DaemonFCMinceR, TherapyJun 03 12:48
DaemonFCmany years of therapyJun 03 12:48
MinceR:)Jun 03 12:48
oiaohmDaemonFC:  thinking clamav engine detects exploit patterns in code.   Its a little worrying they need signatures for Windows system files.Jun 03 12:48
DaemonFCyou get to talk about your problems and make your doctor's Lexus payment at the same timeJun 03 12:49
schestowitz"on WoW nobody know you're http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVDocq6TaFs "Jun 03 12:49
TechrightsTitle: YouTube- guy gets caught masturbating to warcraft .::. Size~: 88.53 KBJun 03 12:49
schestowitz*knowsJun 03 12:49
MinceRor prevention (desensitization)Jun 03 12:49
DaemonFCit's mutually rewardingJun 03 12:49
DaemonFCschestowitz, On WoW, nobody knows that I'm really a Knight-Elf-MowhawkJun 03 12:50
DaemonFCSucka!Jun 03 12:50
DaemonFCB-)Jun 03 12:50
schestowitzI copied so many typos up there (know->knows)Jun 03 12:50
schestowitzMowhawk *LOL*Jun 03 12:50
MinceRon wow, nobody knows that i existJun 03 12:50
*schestowitz thinks of crazy Mr.TJun 03 12:50
DaemonFCI pity dah foo!Jun 03 12:51
MinceRIn Soviet Russia, da foo pities YOU!!Jun 03 12:51
schestowitzI was among the first warcraft adoptersJun 03 12:51
schestowitzMinceR: and foot shoots YOUJun 03 12:51
DaemonFCMinceR, In Absurdistan Hungary, Constitution amends you!Jun 03 12:52
DaemonFC:PJun 03 12:52
MinceR:>Jun 03 12:52
DaemonFCI still can't bring myself to actually play Oblivion on the PCJun 03 12:53
schestowitzIn Society Afghanistan, Taliban liberates AmericaJun 03 12:53
schestowitz*SovietJun 03 12:53
DaemonFCthe XBOX 360 controller is supposed to work with it but every button or thumbsick movement does something totally fucking stupidJun 03 12:53
DaemonFCit's irritatingJun 03 12:53
DaemonFC*thiumbstickJun 03 12:54
schestowitzthumbstick?Jun 03 12:54
schestowitzLike the direction controller?Jun 03 12:54
DaemonFC"No.....Why would I want to walk with the left thumbstick, lets change the camera angle with it insteadl, that helps"Jun 03 12:54
schestowitzloose-ended thumbstick?Jun 03 12:54
schestowitzOtherwise it sounds like a sex toy for female adultsJun 03 12:55
schestowitzControllers hardly evolvedJun 03 12:55
schestowitzIt's a shameJun 03 12:55
schestowitzWii is betterJun 03 12:55
schestowitzI mean, going back like 30 years you had the same modality for I/OJun 03 12:55
DaemonFCI tried to play it with mouse and keyboardJun 03 12:55
schestowitzScreen/keypadJun 03 12:55
DaemonFCbut that just gets confusingJun 03 12:55
schestowitzI used that in James BongJun 03 12:56
schestowitzPSJun 03 12:56
schestowitzI can't enjoy RPG on consolesJun 03 12:57
schestowitzToo few keys, no fine simingJun 03 12:57
schestowitz*aimingJun 03 12:57
schestowitzSame with FPSJun 03 12:57
schestowitzIDG keeps spewing stuff like this: http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/being-acquired-best-thing-foss-projectJun 03 13:04
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schestowitzBort from the Microsoft subnetJun 03 13:04
schestowitzThey harp about a vision IDC likes better, IMHOJun 03 13:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @schestowitz: I thought that was in the link I sent you. He will do a weekly questions column. Or has there been more news?Jun 03 13:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @satipera yes, someone mailed me about itJun 03 13:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Nice looking day outside. To bad my body is still screaming at me. Oh well...Jun 03 13:24
schestowitzhttp://www.daniweb.com/news/story287605.htmlJun 03 13:25
schestowitz???????Jun 03 13:25
TechrightsTitle: Is Google Encouraging an Apple-Microsoft Alliance? .::. Size~: 38.35 KBJun 03 13:25
DaemonFCcoffee and doughnutsJun 03 13:29
DaemonFCyayJun 03 13:29
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oiaohmReally google is going head to head with both.  schestowitzJun 03 13:34
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schestowitzoiaohm: both privacy and what else?Jun 03 13:46
DaemonFCI like the icons that Foobar2000 gives music filesJun 03 13:48
DaemonFChe little demon thing and a color coding by codec typeJun 03 13:49
DaemonFC:DJun 03 13:49
oiaohmGoogle android will fight apple i line products.Jun 03 13:49
oiaohmWhat are apples major line of income.Jun 03 13:50
oiaohmSo google is basically at war with apple already.Jun 03 13:50
oiaohmMS has said they want to kill google and has done almost everything to make that true.Jun 03 13:50
DaemonFCMP3s are red, Ogg Vorbis is green, Windows Media is pinkJun 03 13:50
DaemonFCFLACs are orangeJun 03 13:50
DaemonFCWAV is grayJun 03 13:50
DaemonFCAACs are blueJun 03 13:51
oiaohmSo MS and Apple teaming up to try to fight google at some point was going to happen no matter what.Jun 03 13:51
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schestowitzwb, omarJun 03 13:52
DaemonFCschestowitz, I think the DoS attack on Demonoid is starting back upJun 03 13:52
DaemonFCMAFIAA is probably paying some malware vendor with a botnetJun 03 13:54
DaemonFCthat way MAFIAA doesn't have to do the dirty work themselvesJun 03 13:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] How to have this happen: http://xkcd.com/349/ Do this with 2.6.31-22: http://is.gd/cAY9H- BEHEAD ALL THOSE WHO ADVOCATE POULSBOJun 03 13:55
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DaemonFCdoes anyone know if itunes can sync other players?Jun 03 14:00
oiaohmIt can sync with a memory stick to a point.Jun 03 14:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Stay classy, Catholic Church. http://is.gd/cAYyC-Jun 03 14:02
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ZiomatrixI guess ARM is joining a corporate "Coalition of the Willing" to start getting more Linux distros and API over kernel builds into mobile devices faster: http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/arm-samsung-ibm-freescale-ti-and-more-join-to-form-linaro-s/Jun 03 14:07
TechrightsTitle: ARM, Samsung, IBM, Freescale, TI and more join to form Linaro, speed rollout of Linux-based devices -- Engadget .::. Size~: 208.34 KBJun 03 14:07
oiaohmZiomatrix: Little bit more than that.Jun 03 14:08
Ziomatrixoiaohm: please elaborate thenJun 03 14:08
oiaohmThat will be a shared developer employment location.Jun 03 14:09
oiaohmOf course most people are aware of the main one being the Linux foundation.Jun 03 14:09
DaemonFCthe industry is trying to discredit and overthrow the Linux FoundationJun 03 14:09
Ziomatrixoiaohm: it seems to me a way for those involved to compete with M$, Android, Apple, Meego and any other mobile OS at the same time while fostering competing software and OSs.Jun 03 14:10
DaemonFCfiguresJun 03 14:10
oiaohmThey are talking a 10 million dollar this year investment in development ZiomatrixJun 03 14:10
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: meh, they're just taking the Linux Foundation idea and running with it.Jun 03 14:10
oiaohmThey are not against the Linux foundation.  DaemonFCJun 03 14:10
oiaohmIts not overthrowing or anything.Jun 03 14:11
oiaohmLinux Foundation has a conflit.Jun 03 14:11
oiaohmOne it is ment to source personal that its members need so they have jobs.Jun 03 14:11
oiaohmThe other is that it does employ some developers it self.  DaemonFCJun 03 14:11
oiaohmThese outside Linux foundation group employment locations makes the process less conflited.Jun 03 14:12
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Take action: 74 House Dems sold us out to AT&T, Verizon and Comcast. http://bit.ly/8Z0Dfb #netneutralityJun 03 14:13
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oiaohmNote the 10 million is on top of what those companies pay to the Linux foundation as well DaemonFCJun 03 14:13
oiaohmMost of the other projects like it did not start from the point of view of having money to higher more staff.Jun 03 14:14
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oiaohmIts not exactly compete.  ZiomatrixJun 03 14:14
oiaohmThey need items like Android Meego ubuntu and chrome os to run on there hardware.  So they can compete better.   ZiomatrixJun 03 14:15
oiaohmThey want a OS's to be fighting with each other.  It means lower OS prices for them.  ZiomatrixJun 03 14:16
Ziomatrixoiaohm: so they are simply creating a center for compiling libraries to handle a slew of mobile platforms?Jun 03 14:16
Ziomatrixoiaohm: the articles claims they have 25 engineers working in this Linaro organization and plan to have it expand. Do you envision it having to really be that big to accomplish what they want to do?Jun 03 14:20
oiaohmI would say the number they will be after is somewhere between 150 to 200 developers.Jun 03 14:21
oiaohmThere are a lot of performance items they would like to have standard now.Jun 03 14:21
oiaohmBig thing they are not standard due to lack of resources to get them fully ready.  ZiomatrixJun 03 14:21
oiaohmNote 150 to 200 developers might sound like a lot spreed over the core parts to make a working Linux its not many.Jun 03 14:22
Ziomatrixoiaohm: can you seem them sticking their hand in everything from mobile versions of Ubuntu, Android to even WebOS?Jun 03 14:22
oiaohmThere are overlap points between all those.Jun 03 14:23
oiaohmLike cow on rom.   Been possible with Linux for a long time outside mainline tree.Jun 03 14:23
oiaohmThat reduces the ammount of ram there devices would need to operate so reduced cost.  ZiomatrixJun 03 14:24
oiaohmIe more proft for them.Jun 03 14:24
oiaohmI can also see them going after the techs to make Linux start in under 1 secJun 03 14:24
oiaohmCurrently if you want devices starting under 1 sec you have to pay one company for the system todo it.  ZiomatrixJun 03 14:25
oiaohmBasically there is enough work to keep 25 developers flat stack for many years working just in the Linux kernel alown getting the features the hardware makers want mainline.Jun 03 14:26
oiaohmBut I see them wanting results in under years so I see them ending up with more staff to get there sooner.Jun 03 14:26
Ziomatrixoiaohm: I hope they don't go AWOL from all the work and start inserting malicious code, maybe they'll get away with easter eggs.Jun 03 14:26
oiaohmIt is getting harder to insert malicious code into Linux.Jun 03 14:27
Ziomatrixoiaohm: it will be interesting, this is a neat way hardware companies are trying to reel in on rampant price increases of software while fostering better interpolarity and competition between the Linux platforms.Jun 03 14:28
oiaohmFor them it all helps there bottom line.Jun 03 14:28
Ziomatrixoiaohm: do you think the mobile device market will resemble someting along the lines of the PC market at the height of the 1980s?Jun 03 14:28
oiaohmDo you think the device makers are going to leave the PC market alone.Jun 03 14:29
oiaohmWe are basically heading into all out war.Jun 03 14:29
oiaohmHardware vs Software makers.Jun 03 14:29
Ziomatrixoiaohm: well it will be hard to break into fotress M$/Apple pertaing to your average consumer marketJun 03 14:29
oiaohmMS shows with XP for netbooks they could be forced to drop price to hardware makers by Linux being present.Jun 03 14:30
oiaohmHardware makers are not stupid.   Keep Linux in the race.  Keep MS pricing down.Jun 03 14:30
oiaohmBasically they are not losing here.  10 million dollar investment can be recovered with a 1 dollar reduction in MS aquirement price.Jun 03 14:31
oiaohmTo be correct even more.Jun 03 14:31
Ziomatrixoiaohm: So ultimately hardware companies want to have M$ and Google held by the juevos.Jun 03 14:31
oiaohmGoogle does not sell there OSJun 03 14:32
oiaohmGoogle uses advertising for income.Jun 03 14:32
oiaohmSo don't have MS problem.Jun 03 14:32
oiaohmYes they want MS by the juevosJun 03 14:32
Ziomatrixoiaohm: but still a dominating position can tempt any corporate exec board to put forth or up licensing feesJun 03 14:33
oiaohmArm is also planing Arm smartbooks and the like.Jun 03 14:33
MinceRwho are the "software makers" in that war?Jun 03 14:33
oiaohmThose devices cannot run Windows.Jun 03 14:33
oiaohmMinceR: There are a few Realtime OS's that are also closed source they want by the juevos as well.Jun 03 14:34
oiaohmBasically all the ones that price the hardware makers high for there product.   MinceRJun 03 14:35
MinceRi'm trying to find out if there's any company there that isn't only a detriment to ITJun 03 14:35
MinceRthere's m$ and adobe, i wouldn't miss themJun 03 14:35
MinceRgoogle is neither, they're a service companyJun 03 14:36
Ziomatrixoiaohm: QNX was already aquired by RIM, who else?Jun 03 14:36
oiaohmvxworks and a few others.  ZiomatrixJun 03 14:36
MinceRi hardly know anything about vxworksJun 03 14:37
oiaohmIts another of those highly invisable OS's.  MinceRJun 03 14:37
oiaohmYou find it in all kinds of strange places.Jun 03 14:37
DaemonFChttp://www.infoworld.com/t/anti-virus/warning-microsoft-security-essentials-installer-zaps-automatic-updates-setting-804Jun 03 14:38
TechrightsTitle: Warning: Microsoft Security Essentials installer zaps Automatic Updates setting | Anti virus - InfoWorld .::. Size~: 92.94 KBJun 03 14:38
oiaohmengine management  some wireless routers some medical devices some breath testing devices and so on.Jun 03 14:38
Ziomatrixnice anyway I need to take a nap, latersJun 03 14:38
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oiaohmAnd vxworks is also in satalites.   MinceRJun 03 14:40
DaemonFCand on MarsJun 03 14:40
DaemonFC:DJun 03 14:40
oiaohmYep basically in really odd ball locations MinceRJun 03 14:40
DaemonFCthe Mars rovers run vxworksJun 03 14:40
oiaohmBut where ever 100 percent dependablity is need even with some hardware failure.  MinceRJun 03 14:40
oiaohmIe vxworks is one of the hardest OS's to make fail.Jun 03 14:41
oiaohmAnd since it so strong its not cheep MinceRJun 03 14:42
DaemonFCI always have Windows Update on Notify OnlyJun 03 14:42
DaemonFCand MSE did not change thisJun 03 14:42
MinceRi tend to have it on completely offJun 03 14:42
DaemonFCMinceR, I just let it notify meJun 03 14:43
DaemonFCI look to see if they're trojaning something in before I installJun 03 14:43
DaemonFCit's pretty easy to find out if there's a poison pill in that batch of updates by listening in on the chatter at keznews or somewhereJun 03 14:43
MinceRhttp://img.waffleimages.com/72530db18239296435e85148ad1d49983f76fa8d/182526513_tp.jpgJun 03 14:43
TechrightsTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 301 Found .::. Size~: 0 KBJun 03 14:43
oiaohmI have had quite a few poison pillsJun 03 14:44
MinceRDaemonFC: except it's already known that they like to sneak in other updates piggybacking on the ones you see.Jun 03 14:44
oiaohmSecuirty fixs hidden in other bugs breaking XP support.Jun 03 14:44
oiaohmOr something elseJun 03 14:45
MinceRalso, does that notification also tear apps out of full screen like the rest of WU does?Jun 03 14:45
DaemonFCnoJun 03 14:46
DaemonFCit's just a bubbleJun 03 14:46
DaemonFCit doesn't disrupt full screen appsJun 03 14:46
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] "Woz, Jobs and ... Wayne? Apple's forgotten founder still wandering in the desert - San Jose Mercury News" from http://bit.ly/aLLkc6Jun 03 14:48
oiaohmOk that shirt could get you into big trouble laying down on a beach.   MinceRJun 03 14:48
MinceR:DJun 03 14:48
MinceRit was kind of obvious to me even without being invertedJun 03 14:48
oiaohmIt would be 100 percent obvious to everyone lay on a beach.Jun 03 14:49
MinceR:)Jun 03 14:49
oiaohmAnd they have sand to ruin your day with.Jun 03 14:49
MinceR"[after getting shot] This is gonna ruin my whole day! "Jun 03 14:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Getting a lot of request on summer training under my guidance on FOSS projects. Now selecting them. "LUG@IITD summer of code" :)Jun 03 14:54
schestowitzhttp://timothyblee.com/2010/06/01/google-and-the-importance-of-being-open/ "I’m back. I’ve completed the requirements for the master’s portion of grad school and when I go back to school in the fall I’ll be a PhD candidate."Jun 03 14:55
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schestowitzTim...Jun 03 14:55
schestowitzanti swpatsJun 03 14:55
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schestowitzNow that Google hired him he became their booster: http://timothyblee.com/2010/06/03/credibility-and-the-exit-option/Jun 03 14:57
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schestowitzReminds me of what happened to Tim Bray after Google had hired himJun 03 14:57
schestowitzThey turn popular bloggers into Google whitewashersJun 03 14:58
DaemonFCschestowitz, Nvidia still has no hardware support for OpenGL beyond 2.1 near as I can tellJun 03 14:58
DaemonFCthat's just totally unreasonableJun 03 14:58
DaemonFCI've been unable to find a Geforce that has OpenGL 3.x in hardwareJun 03 14:59
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schestowitzcubezzz: vhttp://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto/RCMP+Manitoba+ombudsman+probe+town+council+over+alleged+spying/3105069/story.htmlJun 03 15:00
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DaemonFCNvidia: Good driver, bad hardware. ATI: Bad driver, great hardware.Jun 03 15:01
DaemonFCboth try to smear each otherJun 03 15:01
DaemonFCitJun 03 15:01
schestowitzhttp://madhatter.ca/2010/06/02/you-absolutely-have-to-love-it-when/ "About two years ago I wrote the first of several articles critical of Microsoft President Steve Ballmer. It seems to have taken a while, but now the mainstream press has started to catch on. I think. Seattle Weekly, which when it talks about Microsoft reads more like Pravda talking about the Soviet Communist Party, even has an article. "Jun 03 15:01
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DaemonFCit's like watching two dirty politicians trying to out-sleaze one anotherJun 03 15:01
schestowitzThey leave it to the nuttersJun 03 15:02
schestowitzThose who will make things upJun 03 15:02
schestowitzRon Paul especiallyJun 03 15:02
schestowitzHe's followed by irrational peopleJun 03 15:02
DaemonFCI guess with ATI, you at least have the hope that it will work right somedayJun 03 15:02
schestowitzAnd he's a contrarianJun 03 15:02
DaemonFCcause their problems are all in the driverJun 03 15:02
DaemonFCRon Paul is awesomeJun 03 15:03
DaemonFCDon't answer the Census, or the black helicopters will come for you at 4 AMJun 03 15:03
DaemonFCB-)Jun 03 15:03
DaemonFCthose damned census takers will fast rope down and knock on your doorJun 03 15:03
DaemonFCMP5's?Jun 03 15:03
DaemonFCnah, these Census takers are ninjasJun 03 15:04
DaemonFCfrom MarsJun 03 15:04
oiaohmNaJun 03 15:04
oiaohmSince you don't respond to CensusJun 03 15:04
oiaohmThe put a 5 lane highway threw your house because no one has to be living there.Jun 03 15:04
oiaohmThe/TheyJun 03 15:05
DaemonFCschestowitz, I'm a single white male in a small town in Indiana, and I lived here on April 1, 2010Jun 03 15:05
DaemonFCthere, you know everything I told the censusJun 03 15:05
DaemonFCbig deal, right?Jun 03 15:05
DaemonFCthey can use that information when they round us up in the black helicopters at 4 AMJun 03 15:06
DaemonFCand take us to the Nazi death camp over in GoshenJun 03 15:06
DaemonFC:)Jun 03 15:06
DaemonFCby the train tracks no lessJun 03 15:06
DaemonFCwhich the Democrats made sure run on timeJun 03 15:07
DaemonFCmuahahahaaaaJun 03 15:07
DaemonFCit's all going to planJun 03 15:07
oiaohmhttp://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Google-opens-up-Chrome-s-RLZ-library-1015038.html   HmmJun 03 15:07
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DaemonFCheh, the copy of Windows 7 Ultimate on my other PC is the one I installed last JulyJun 03 15:09
DaemonFCI got it before it was on Technet even B-)Jun 03 15:09
DaemonFCor MSDN, or DrugDealerJun 03 15:09
DaemonFCor any other MS siteJun 03 15:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] A lovely picnic, now the day turns sour as I visit the dentist.Jun 03 15:10
*DaemonFC slaps Mincer with Windows 7 StarterJun 03 15:10
DaemonFCIt can run two programs at onceJun 03 15:10
DaemonFCExplorer.exe and an ad for Windows 7 UltimateJun 03 15:10
DaemonFCschestowitz, You're right, it's not difficult to hotwire the activation system, but flashing the modified ROM into your BIOS is an awful riskJun 03 15:12
MinceRlolJun 03 15:12
MinceRi thought they removed that limitationJun 03 15:12
DaemonFCMinceR, Most of the OEM pre-install activation deal takes place in the BIOSJun 03 15:12
DaemonFConce you have the OEM SLIC key, which is the same for every edition of that version of Windows, all you need is an OEM certificate (Vista ones work in 7) which is also genericJun 03 15:13
MinceRi mean the vista7 starter app multitasking limitationJun 03 15:13
DaemonFCand then you need an OEM serial number for the edition you wantJun 03 15:13
DaemonFCwhich they use on a billion systems eachJun 03 15:13
DaemonFCoh yeah, they didJun 03 15:14
DaemonFCstill, no Aero, no multi-core CPUs, no more than 1 GB of RAM, no changing your wallpaper.....Jun 03 15:14
DaemonFCkind of makes the point mootJun 03 15:14
MinceR:)Jun 03 15:15
DaemonFCXP starter limited you to 512 megs of RAM and a CPU with a clock speed of less than 1 GhzJun 03 15:15
DaemonFCI use Windows FLP on my laptop :)Jun 03 15:16
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Fundamentals_for_Legacy_PCsJun 03 15:16
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DaemonFCMinceR, It's basically compatible with XP, only most everything is optionalJun 03 15:17
DaemonFCincluding Internet ExplorerJun 03 15:17
DaemonFCand .Net will fail to installJun 03 15:17
DaemonFCThere's no activation systemJun 03 15:17
DaemonFCjust a serialJun 03 15:18
DaemonFCIt does recognize multicore processorsJun 03 15:18
DaemonFCthe memory limit is 4 GB minus whatever is on your GPUJun 03 15:18
DaemonFCDirectX is fully functional B-)Jun 03 15:19
DaemonFCand it is quite fastJun 03 15:20
DaemonFCit's Diet XPJun 03 15:20
DaemonFCall that XP taste and just one little calorieJun 03 15:20
DaemonFCand yes, I have every version of Windows ever releasedJun 03 15:21
DaemonFC:PJun 03 15:21
MinceRi hate that XP tasteJun 03 15:21
DaemonFCand some that weren'tJun 03 15:21
DaemonFCyou have to turn your CMOS clock back to get some of them to workJun 03 15:22
MinceRwith the command line (msvcrt) not knowing UTF-8 and some parts (including the command line) failing to refresh properly if something happens over themJun 03 15:22
DaemonFCif they were development buildsJun 03 15:22
MinceRand winblows updateJun 03 15:22
DaemonFCWindows Neptune and Whistler for exampleJun 03 15:22
MinceRand all those bugs and vulnerabilitiesJun 03 15:22
DaemonFCLonghorn :DJun 03 15:22
MinceRand the panel that wastes one row that could be used for quickstart iconsJun 03 15:23
MinceRand the utter lack of configurabilityJun 03 15:23
MinceRetc.Jun 03 15:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] RT: @w3c: SVG Contest http://bit.ly/cA2XD7 #svgJun 03 15:26
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MinceRhttp://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/3d_porn_pregnant.jpgJun 03 15:28
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] woooo ---> Most epic- A brief pictorial history of how messed up the human race is http://i.imgur.com/QZWV3.jpg courtesy @omfgthelifeJun 03 15:29
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schestowitzMinceR: maybe it's trueJun 03 15:44
schestowitzMaybe she was doing something else while watchingJun 03 15:44
schestowitzMaybe someone slipped something into her drinkJun 03 15:45
schestowitzAnd into her.... never mindJun 03 15:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ACTA Negotiators Broke The Law In Not Revealing Text To EU Parliament: http://ur1.ca/059n0Jun 03 15:45
WireWulfmorning allJun 03 15:45
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schestowitzzoobab: well doneJun 03 15:45
schestowitzI saw that an hour agoJun 03 15:45
schestowitzFFII in techdirtJun 03 15:45
DaemonFCI just left a comment on an MS MVP's blogJun 03 15:45
schestowitzMost valuable PLAYER?Jun 03 15:46
schestowitzLike in NFL?Jun 03 15:46
DaemonFCexplaining why Google doesn't need Windows outside of test machines to test the compiled binaries onJun 03 15:46
schestowitzBetter than VIP, eh?Jun 03 15:46
schestowitzLet's make a GNU MVP programmeJun 03 15:46
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WireWulfschestowitz they are called gurus :PJun 03 15:47
schestowitzTo qualify for the ability to create as many copies as you want you need to be gently slapped on the cheekJun 03 15:47
schestowitzAfter gaptism from RMSJun 03 15:47
schestowitzWireWulf: gnurus?Jun 03 15:48
WireWulfguruJun 03 15:48
schestowitzSo that makes St. Ignicius the pope of logic?Jun 03 15:48
WireWulfsureJun 03 15:48
schestowitzhacktivistsJun 03 15:48
MinceRand the KDE version is called KuruJun 03 15:48
schestowitzKuckooJun 03 15:49
WireWulfdependsJun 03 15:49
WireWulfKDE or KDEmod?Jun 03 15:49
schestowitzon mono?Jun 03 15:49
WireWulfmono is failJun 03 15:49
schestowitzdepends on mono?Jun 03 15:49
WireWulfno not on monoJun 03 15:49
schestowitzmono fail.. retrying [click to abort]Jun 03 15:49
schestowitzNow they try MeeGoJun 03 15:49
schestowitzNew place to contiminateJun 03 15:49
schestowitzUnder Nokia's watchJun 03 15:50
schestowitz*contaminateJun 03 15:50
WireWulfmono is a illness Jun 03 15:50
schestowitzIt isJun 03 15:50
schestowitzRequires abstinenceJun 03 15:50
schestowitzThat's how we treat itJun 03 15:50
WireWulfumm then i am  cure all xDJun 03 15:50
schestowitzBut some Novell employees are going ape over itJun 03 15:50
ender2070finally got some internet at homeJun 03 15:51
schestowitzThere's this one mono/ximian, Steadfast... he goes bananasJun 03 15:51
schestowitzKeeps pinging me on Twitter. I never spoke to him.Jun 03 15:51
WireWulflinux users should stay away from #C and .net style programingJun 03 15:51
MinceR10 print "DEVELOPERS! ";Jun 03 15:51
MinceR20 goto 10Jun 03 15:51
schestowitzThey are some friends from Microsoft who also ping meJun 03 15:51
schestowitzThey don't talk to me evenJun 03 15:51
schestowitzTwitter lacks contextJun 03 15:51
schestowitzUnlike identicaJun 03 15:51
schestowitzSo I don't know what they wantJun 03 15:51
ender2070wimax basedJun 03 15:52
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schestowitzMinceR: put sleep(1000); and sweat(0); in betweenJun 03 15:52
MinceRlolJun 03 15:52
WireWulfi like staying out of socail networks all togetherJun 03 15:52
schestowitzwimax = patent thicketJun 03 15:52
schestowitzSome of them nobody would useJun 03 15:53
ender2070my dsl provider offers itJun 03 15:53
WireWulfpatents are okay with meJun 03 15:53
WireWulfcopyrights suck ass thoJun 03 15:53
schestowitzwhat patents?Jun 03 15:53
schestowitzMcDonald's sandwich engineering patent/sJun 03 15:54
schestowitzOr the one-click shopping?Jun 03 15:54
schestowitzTraining a cat with laser pointers?Jun 03 15:54
schestowitzswinging a swing?Jun 03 15:54
WireWulfin the US the patent law only protects the product as a tardmark for 10 yearsJun 03 15:54
schestowitzI kid you not, these are US patentsJun 03 15:54
DaemonFCPrivoxy chokes on AJAXJun 03 15:54
DaemonFCwhy the hell can't they do better than this?Jun 03 15:55
WireWulfno clueJun 03 15:55
DaemonFCthe only thing I can do is tweak the filter settings to adjust timeouts and what exactly it decides to eat before it send the page to the browserJun 03 15:55
WireWulfwhy cant you call i linux distro lindows or winuxJun 03 15:55
WireWulf*s/i/aJun 03 15:55
DaemonFCbut that only stops things like Gmail login from hanging entirelyJun 03 15:56
DaemonFCit still takes over 10 seconds to get into my Gmail after I hit the buttonJun 03 15:56
DaemonFCschestowitz, I don't eat at McDonalds that oftenJun 03 15:56
*WireWulf has been buffering a video of 1 hourJun 03 15:56
WireWulfi got a good oneJun 03 15:57
WireWulfwhy can i not call a black american president a liar, but anyone can show his/her ass to a white one?Jun 03 15:57
schestowitzDaemonFC: BillG invests in themJun 03 15:58
schestowitzLoadsJun 03 15:58
MinceRWireWulf: because usians are racistJun 03 15:58
schestowitzAnd BP, Exxon, Walmart......Jun 03 15:58
MinceRjust not in the direction they like to think of itJun 03 15:58
MinceRand the same thing exists here in absurdistanJun 03 15:58
schestowitzMinceR: mostly internalisedJun 03 15:58
schestowitzPolitical correctness and allJun 03 15:58
DaemonFCschestowitz, Walmart invests a percentage of your pay into their stock without telling youJun 03 15:59
DaemonFCand takes the interest for themselvesJun 03 15:59
WireWulfMinceR i am no racistJun 03 15:59
schestowitzThat's goodJun 03 15:59
schestowitzIt makes them happyJun 03 15:59
MinceRschestowitz: and "affirmative action"Jun 03 15:59
schestowitzSo they don't take /all/ the jobs to ChinaJun 03 15:59
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MinceRthat's racism tooJun 03 15:59
DaemonFCschestowitz, When you quit, you get a check for a few hundred dollars out of nowhereJun 03 15:59
schestowitzThey are really just doing you a favourJun 03 15:59
WireWulfif anything the white house is raxcist and hate mangering Jun 03 15:59
schestowitzNow go donate to Walmart.comJun 03 15:59
DaemonFCand if you work there, you own stock and can't join a unionJun 03 15:59
DaemonFCthey get you coming and goingJun 03 16:00
schestowitzWhat is "racist" anyway?Jun 03 16:00
schestowitzIt's one of those wordsJun 03 16:00
schestowitzLike "terrorists" or "Troills"Jun 03 16:00
schestowitzApplied to people whom you don't likeJun 03 16:00
schestowitzWe all have different DNAJun 03 16:00
WireWulfthe hate of a person based on their skin color or eithnic backgroundJun 03 16:00
schestowitzSome have "Religions"Jun 03 16:00
ender2070speaking of patentsJun 03 16:00
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schestowitzSo anyone who doesn't agree with you and you reply to can call "racism"Jun 03 16:01
ender2070i think the patent on the egg mcmuffin ran outJun 03 16:01
schestowitzJust need to be spun a littleJun 03 16:01
MadRobotHi all.Jun 03 16:01
schestowitzWatch how Israel calls everyone "terrorist sympathiser" or "racist" for criticismJun 03 16:01
schestowitzAnd other nations do that tooJun 03 16:01
schestowitz"Troll" is the Internet labelJun 03 16:01
WireWulfschestowitz a terrorist is someone who attacks a country under no flag of a different countryJun 03 16:01
schestowitz"Waaaaaaaaaa!! He's making fun of my post. That troll."Jun 03 16:02
MinceRschestowitz: racist is who considers someone lesser and/or mistreats someone for the sole reason of raceJun 03 16:02
schestowitzIn YouTube they make false DMCA claims if people pwn their views."Jun 03 16:02
schestowitzMinceR: but you see... race differs everywhereJun 03 16:02
schestowitzIt's micro and macroJun 03 16:02
WireWulfsureJun 03 16:03
schestowitzLike evolutionJun 03 16:03
schestowitzWe're the same species and ancient EgyptiansJun 03 16:03
schestowitzYet we're notJun 03 16:03
schestowitzCause we evolved geneticallyJun 03 16:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Good afternoon Tweeps!Jun 03 16:03
schestowitzYou're a different race to your dad'sJun 03 16:03
MinceRyet we have the idea of discriminating against people because they happen to be of the caucasian race, for exampleJun 03 16:03
WireWulflike i am white but not caucasianJun 03 16:03
MinceRit isn't formulated so clearly, of courseJun 03 16:03
schestowitzNobody has identical race (=gene appoximation)Jun 03 16:03
schestowitznot even identical twinsJun 03 16:03
schestowitz[16:01] <WireWulf> schestowitz a terrorist is someone who attacks a country under no flag of a different countryJun 03 16:04
schestowitzSmall vs largeJun 03 16:04
schestowitzMilitia vs militaryJun 03 16:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] RT @ WorldPeace2Day: Turkey warns will send more aid vessels to Gaza, escorted by Turkish Navy. http://bit.ly/92mpYm #FreedomFlotillaJun 03 16:04
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schestowitzReligion vs "cult"Jun 03 16:04
MinceRalso known as "europid"Jun 03 16:04
MinceRhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_raceJun 03 16:04
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schestowitzAll religions are the same as cults reallyJun 03 16:04
schestowitzor sectsJun 03 16:04
schestowitzBut they are widely adopted, so are harder to ridicule as "fringe"Jun 03 16:04
WireWulfi am not going into the religion thingJun 03 16:05
schestowitzWhy?Jun 03 16:05
schestowitzMinceR has a religion tooJun 03 16:05
WireWulfcuz you mostly only hear about the big 3 bing bad hereJun 03 16:05
schestowitzHe's our God :->Jun 03 16:05
schestowitzWireWulf: big 3?Jun 03 16:05
schestowitzZeus, Thor, and ApolloJun 03 16:06
schestowitzWhat?Jun 03 16:06
WireWulfthat is islamic, christin, and jewdismJun 03 16:06
schestowitzThere are others?Jun 03 16:06
schestowitzWireWulf: ohJun 03 16:06
schestowitzwhat's that about?Jun 03 16:06
schestowitzIs it a complicated story?Jun 03 16:06
WireWulfmostly anti religious acts and stuff the unions are pushingJun 03 16:06
WireWulfor a teacher arrested for holding a religious school clubJun 03 16:07
schestowitzWhat religion?Jun 03 16:07
WireWulfanyJun 03 16:07
schestowitzher own?Jun 03 16:07
MinceRat least they kept that teacher from brainwashing more children.Jun 03 16:07
schestowitzSo she brainwashed kidsJun 03 16:07
schestowitzShe did at a small scale what Plainlimbough is doijngJun 03 16:07
WireWulfunions getting piss over ppl saying merry christmas or happy hanicaJun 03 16:08
schestowitzFestivus?Jun 03 16:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Good morning all! How are we doing today?Jun 03 16:08
schestowitzRMS has his own holidayJun 03 16:08
MinceRscary solstice!Jun 03 16:08
WireWulfschestowitz she let the kids vulintearJun 03 16:08
ender2070no noJun 03 16:08
schestowitzSoemthing about Newton and gravityJun 03 16:08
WireWulfit was just a before school prayJun 03 16:08
schestowitzSounds funJun 03 16:08
MinceRgrav-massJun 03 16:08
ender2070people only get pissed when u say merry christmasJun 03 16:08
schestowitzLearn science while celebrating the winter holidayJun 03 16:08
ender2070all other religions are allowed to celebrate in publicJun 03 16:08
schestowitzThe only holiday so far that's based on evidenceJun 03 16:08
WireWulfender2070 i can say alluh in schools all day longJun 03 16:09
WireWulfi said fod onceJun 03 16:09
WireWulf*godJun 03 16:09
MinceRisn't "allah" just arabic for "god"?Jun 03 16:09
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhs3Wlb97tEJun 03 16:09
MinceR(that is, generic term)Jun 03 16:09
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WireWulfMinceR yepJun 03 16:09
schestowitzMinceR: I reckonJun 03 16:10
schestowitzThere's also YahwehJun 03 16:10
ender2070I like FranceJun 03 16:10
MinceRYHWH is specificJun 03 16:10
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/user/NonStampCollectorJun 03 16:10
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WireWulfgod (in lower case) is generic Jun 03 16:10
ender2070they stand up to crazy religionsJun 03 16:10
MinceR(what's left of the name of their god after they decided not to say nor write it and kept it that way for a long time)Jun 03 16:10
ender2070they voted the burka illegal, zero opposing votesJun 03 16:10
WireWulfGod is the christin,jewish,islamic godJun 03 16:11
MinceRno, it's just pretending to be specificJun 03 16:11
WireWulfmost islams say allah thoJun 03 16:11
MinceRpeople worshipping other gods should be offended by the use of "God"Jun 03 16:11
MinceRbecause it implies that's the only god that existsJun 03 16:11
MinceRand thus it's enough to just capitalize itJun 03 16:11
WireWulfbut really they are notJun 03 16:12
*WireWulf is paginJun 03 16:12
schestowitzhttp://vlewi005.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/map_world_religions.gifJun 03 16:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] I am looking for a Wordpress theme hacker to help with the Severed Fifth website. Anyone able to contribute their time? Thanks in advance!Jun 03 16:12
schestowitzThe "truth" is based on geographyJun 03 16:12
WireWulfi dont mind getting a merry christmas or so doesnt really bug meJun 03 16:12
schestowitzYou can literally step across a border and reality is warpedJun 03 16:12
schestowitzBut rules of physics stay the sameJun 03 16:12
ender2070thats a good thingJun 03 16:13
schestowitzYou can even step to another planet, solar system, galaxy and it's all the sameJun 03 16:13
ender2070each country should have differences and its own cultureJun 03 16:13
schestowitzEarth has no countriesJun 03 16:13
schestowitzIt has continentsJun 03 16:13
schestowitzThey used to be joined tooJun 03 16:13
WireWulfcountries are controled by the UN Jun 03 16:14
ender2070yeah but now your pro one world?Jun 03 16:14
schestowitzSome come closer, some drift apart, and we help the continents get smaller (submerged)Jun 03 16:14
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schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_agesJun 03 16:15
TechrightsTitle: Middle Ages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 171.78 KBJun 03 16:15
schestowitzMaps of Europe over the agesJun 03 16:15
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUB8jQ57ubEJun 03 16:15
ender2070yeahJun 03 16:15
TechrightsTitle: YouTube- History of Russia 1533 - Present Map .::. Size~: 86.18 KBJun 03 16:15
ender2070so?Jun 03 16:15
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ender2070its called survival of the fittestJun 03 16:16
ender2070if im stronger than you, and I have a good reason to take your land - i willJun 03 16:16
ender2070countries changeJun 03 16:16
MinceRno, it's called human douchebaggeryJun 03 16:16
WireWulfgreedJun 03 16:16
DaemonFCsurvival of the sweatiestJun 03 16:16
schestowitzborders have no physical markersJun 03 16:16
MinceRlording over other humans with no right to do soJun 03 16:16
ender2070[11:10] <WireWulf> countries are controled by the UN Jun 03 16:16
ender2070+1Jun 03 16:16
schestowitzSOmetimes they doJun 03 16:16
schestowitzLike Great Wall of ChinaJun 03 16:17
DaemonFCalso known as DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS!!!!Jun 03 16:17
ender2070since WW2 its all been one worldJun 03 16:17
MinceRand then sending them at each others' throats with fabricated ideas like "nation" and religionJun 03 16:17
schestowitzWasn't that used just for defence though? Mongol horses?Jun 03 16:17
schestowitzMinceR: tell that to RyanJun 03 16:17
ender2070the people who want one world government market those ideas to you guys that 'we're all one, we're all the same'Jun 03 16:17
DaemonFCschestowitz, I liked the idea of catapulting plague victims over the walls. :)Jun 03 16:18
schestowitzHe's anti-Mexicans (immigration)Jun 03 16:18
MinceRwell, they're all the same garbage except for a few people like me. :>Jun 03 16:18
ender2070we're not all the same garbageJun 03 16:18
schestowitzender2070: better than notJun 03 16:18
ender2070dna plays heavily into IQJun 03 16:18
ender2070some gene lines aren't the smartestJun 03 16:18
DaemonFCI'm a humanitarianJun 03 16:18
schestowitzI'd take unification and NPT over tensionJun 03 16:18
WireWulfender2070 trust me i am not for a all world socialism Jun 03 16:19
schestowitzAnd potential self destruction of human raceJun 03 16:19
DaemonFCunder my regime there will be warnings of the landmines in the DMZJun 03 16:19
DaemonFCB-)Jun 03 16:19
ender2070WireWulf - we're on the same page in regardes to UN/one worldJun 03 16:19
ender2070regards*Jun 03 16:19
DaemonFCand those will be the only signs on US soil written in English and SpanishJun 03 16:19
schestowitzDNA is not all selfishJun 03 16:19
WireWulfi liked ragans idea of a one world capitalism :PJun 03 16:19
schestowitzThose who collaborate increase chance of survivalJun 03 16:19
schestowitzOthers get ostracisedJun 03 16:20
MinceRIQ is not culture-independent and it's not suitable as a measurement of valueJun 03 16:20
schestowitzSo we can deter reproduction by anti-social onesJun 03 16:20
schestowitzAnd then create an harmonious raceJun 03 16:20
MinceRthe only thing it's useful for is what it was invented for: finding out which children need extra help with educationJun 03 16:20
DaemonFCI understand that schestowitz might just not fucking get it on this pointJun 03 16:20
schestowitzIn theoryJun 03 16:20
DaemonFCand I wouldn't expect him toJun 03 16:20
schestowitzBasically rewarding those who help the community through reproductionJun 03 16:20
DaemonFC:DJun 03 16:20
schestowitzAnd educationJun 03 16:20
ender2070[11:16] <schestowitz> So we can deter reproduction by anti-social onesJun 03 16:20
ender2070[11:16] <schestowitz> And then create an harmonious raceJun 03 16:21
schestowitzCause racist parents raise racist kidsJun 03 16:21
MinceRi'm a social misanthrope, that's my burden :>Jun 03 16:21
DaemonFCschestowitz, I'm not racistJun 03 16:21
ender2070schestowitz - you sound like HG Wells, Huxley, Rockefellers, and the World BankJun 03 16:21
DaemonFCthere's plenty of white trash to deport to Mexico tooJun 03 16:21
DaemonFCthis will also happen under my regimeJun 03 16:21
schestowitzender2070: I wasn't trying and I don't know one of themJun 03 16:21
MadRobotDaemonFC, so you're planning to become president?Jun 03 16:21
ender2070what you mentioned is called 'social approval/disapproval creation'Jun 03 16:22
schestowitzender2070: the different is, they are 'in charge'Jun 03 16:22
ender2070its a communist term, invented in chinaJun 03 16:22
schestowitzSo they want to have the 'little people' off their backsJun 03 16:22
DaemonFCMadRobot, President For LifeJun 03 16:22
ender2070ohhh you were making fun?Jun 03 16:22
schestowitzCynicismJun 03 16:22
DaemonFCI will be a kind and merciful fascist dictatorJun 03 16:22
DaemonFCloved by allJun 03 16:23
schestowitzYeahJun 03 16:23
DaemonFCdespised only by those that deserve deportationJun 03 16:23
schestowitzThose whom you didn't killJun 03 16:23
DaemonFCnot killJun 03 16:23
DaemonFCdeportJun 03 16:23
schestowitzTo ensure you're loved by allJun 03 16:23
MinceRDaemonFC: so everyone who respects freedom deserves deportation?Jun 03 16:23
schestowitzDaemonFC: GulagJun 03 16:23
DaemonFCthere's plenty of Mexico to go aroundJun 03 16:23
ender2070my school almost brainwashed me into the 'left wing'Jun 03 16:23
schestowitzSo yeah... DaemonFC is a commie :-)Jun 03 16:23
schestowitzSoviet-style commieJun 03 16:23
schestowitzLeninFCJun 03 16:23
MadRobotschestowitz, I prefer Stalin. :)Jun 03 16:24
ender2070we had a mandatory class about the govnernment and how to voteJun 03 16:24
DaemonFCUnder my regime, everyone who wants a job will have oneJun 03 16:24
schestowitzDaemonFC would 'pull a Ukraine' on MexicaJun 03 16:24
schestowitz*coJun 03 16:24
DaemonFCthere will be no unemploymentJun 03 16:24
ender2070but we were told what to look for in our politiciansJun 03 16:24
MinceRthe russians quickly stopped being communistsJun 03 16:24
MinceRthey didn't want to go beyond the "dictatorship of the ploretariat" stateJun 03 16:24
WireWulfnot so sure about russians not bing communistJun 03 16:25
DaemonFCMinceR, Most of the people getting food stamps and section 8 housing can pick up a shovelJun 03 16:25
DaemonFCand go dig ditchesJun 03 16:25
ender2070Russia is still pretty soviet in practiceJun 03 16:25
DaemonFCthere's my 5 year planJun 03 16:25
DaemonFCB-)Jun 03 16:25
MinceRDaemonFC: then you don't deserve to rule any peopleJun 03 16:25
WireWulfwhy not just kill the 13% on welfair and the smartest 20%(who will opose anything you do) DaemonFC?Jun 03 16:26
DaemonFCwell, I figure I can use them to dig holes and lay the landminesJun 03 16:26
ender2070on paper communism is the best thing since sliced breadJun 03 16:26
DaemonFCin the DMZJun 03 16:26
WireWulfon paper anything can be goodJun 03 16:26
DaemonFC2100 miles long and 3 miles thickJun 03 16:26
DaemonFCthat'll keepo them busy in honest work for a whileJun 03 16:27
DaemonFCB-)Jun 03 16:27
ender2070communist governements ended up having to kill people on mass to keep up with their 'everyone has a job and food' idealsJun 03 16:27
MinceReven on paper it's not workableJun 03 16:27
MadRobotGuys, anyone knows of a good desktop screencasting software that works with OpenShot?Jun 03 16:27
DaemonFCsure it isJun 03 16:27
MinceRdo you expect a dictatorship to give up its own power?Jun 03 16:27
WireWulfnopeJun 03 16:27
DaemonFCthe Egyptians built the pyramidsJun 03 16:27
ender2070they kill about 10% of the population when they start offJun 03 16:27
MinceRthen it doesn't work even on paper.Jun 03 16:27
DaemonFCthe US of DaemonFC will build the DaemonDMZJun 03 16:27
DaemonFCB-)Jun 03 16:28
WireWulfdictatorships have to be foughtJun 03 16:28
schestowitzDaemonFC: http://www.androidguys.com/2010/06/02/yepp-samsung-working-androidbased-media-player/Jun 03 16:28
ender2070WireWulf - nobody got rid of bushJun 03 16:28
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DaemonFCfirst offense, deported back to MexicoJun 03 16:28
ender2070WireWulf - he wasnt electedJun 03 16:28
DaemonFCsecond offense, you get to walk back, through the DMZJun 03 16:29
DaemonFC:DJun 03 16:29
WireWulfender2070 nor was obama (by choice)Jun 03 16:29
schestowitz[16:27] <MinceR> even on paper it's not workableJun 03 16:29
ender2070obama was electedJun 03 16:29
ender2070by the world bank ;)Jun 03 16:29
schestowitzTBH, today's capitalism isn't ideal eitherJun 03 16:29
schestowitzThey mix and matchJun 03 16:29
schestowitzSome socialism (bailout) with capitalismJun 03 16:29
MinceRwell, today's capitalism has either too little control or too much controlJun 03 16:30
WireWulfcapitalism who is capitalist anymore?Jun 03 16:30
DaemonFCvoting machines that have no means to be audited, run proprietary software, are built by the companies that have every interest in propping up their shill as PresidentJun 03 16:30
MinceRthe state maintains a monopoly on keeping people in line, and then neglects to do soJun 03 16:30
DaemonFCand exit polls that don't match the votingJun 03 16:30
ender2070every country should just write off its debt with the world bank ( just stop paying them )Jun 03 16:30
DaemonFCwhat makes you suspect that Bush and Obama weren't elected? :PJun 03 16:30
schestowitz21st century capitalism=90% of the world is underpaid slaved and the other 10% chants about the marvels of extreme capitalismJun 03 16:30
MinceRthat's because of what i said.Jun 03 16:30
schestowitzender2070: they'll turn to IMF then :-)Jun 03 16:31
MinceRanother problem is that the states are controlled by the megacorpsJun 03 16:31
WireWulfschestowitz i would say check what you just said 99% of the world is socialistJun 03 16:31
ender2070WireWulf - these guys dont know that socialism keeps the money going tooJun 03 16:31
MinceRImpossible Mission Force? :>Jun 03 16:31
schestowitzender2070: ain't choice wonderful?Jun 03 16:31
ender2070the IMF cant do anything if nobody pays the world bankJun 03 16:31
ender2070and i mean nobodyJun 03 16:31
WireWulffuck the world bankJun 03 16:32
schestowitzWBJun 03 16:32
ender2070the problem is, they have everyoneJun 03 16:32
WireWulfburn down the unJun 03 16:32
schestowitzWarner BrosJun 03 16:32
DaemonFCMinceR, I hum the Mission Impossible theme every time I have to go under the desk to mess with my PC tower :PJun 03 16:32
MinceR:)Jun 03 16:32
DaemonFCcorny, I knowJun 03 16:32
WireWulffire the govermentJun 03 16:32
WireWulfand refucking buildJun 03 16:32
schestowitzNo wayJun 03 16:32
ender2070one could only wishJun 03 16:32
schestowitzYou want to have another civil war?Jun 03 16:32
ender2070im pro-anarchyJun 03 16:32
schestowitzWith all the armed maniacs in the US?Jun 03 16:33
ender2070the whole system needs to be replacedJun 03 16:33
schestowitzFaceoff - us army vs 'cowboys'Jun 03 16:33
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAYhNHhxN0AJun 03 16:33
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DaemonFCB-)Jun 03 16:33
WireWulfschestowitz if it fixes the state of things i will do itJun 03 16:33
ender2070literally we are slaves because we always owe somebody moneyJun 03 16:33
schestowitzYes, ain't that grand?Jun 03 16:33
ender2070you cant even get a shack in the middle of nowhere and live like a hermit anymoreJun 03 16:33
schestowitzThat's the marvel of itJun 03 16:33
WireWulfender2070 socialism means you are a slave 24/7 Jun 03 16:33
schestowitzIt's a system of controlJun 03 16:34
ender2070you gotta pay someone land taxesJun 03 16:34
schestowitzPeople go to work cause they have toJun 03 16:34
schestowitz"or else.."Jun 03 16:34
ender2070so you have to work to get that moneyJun 03 16:34
schestowitzPeople do TELEMARKETINGJun 03 16:34
schestowitz*LOL*Jun 03 16:34
schestowitzPatent lawyers...Jun 03 16:34
ender2070and you gotta pay taxes on the money you earnJun 03 16:34
*schestowitz barfsJun 03 16:34
ender2070so they "take back" your labourJun 03 16:34
ender2070if money didnt exist how would they tax youJun 03 16:35
WireWulfender2070 you do know anarchy would never workJun 03 16:35
DaemonFCYour mission Jim, should you choose to accept it, is to figure out how in the hell you're going to install your new video card in your HP Pavillion. The computer will self destruct when turned back on. Jun 03 16:35
schestowitzYou sounds like a Republican nowJun 03 16:35
DaemonFCB-)Jun 03 16:35
WireWulf:PJun 03 16:35
schestowitz[16:35] <ender2070> if money didnt exist how would they tax youJun 03 16:35
schestowitzWHo would pay for planes?Jun 03 16:35
ender2070the airplane companiesJun 03 16:35
schestowitzI mean, military aircrafts that mostly do train cruisesJun 03 16:35
MinceRDaemonFC: lolJun 03 16:36
schestowitzender2070: where's the money in it?Jun 03 16:36
schestowitzThey don't do capitalismJun 03 16:36
schestowitzMilitary = state-fundedJun 03 16:36
ender2070why would we need military aircraftJun 03 16:36
schestowitzYou pay for the army, which is a product you may not wish to acquireJun 03 16:36
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz71p3pt2tIJun 03 16:36
schestowitzYou also pay for the bailoutJun 03 16:36
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schestowitzLike GMJun 03 16:36
ender2070all the wars are created on purpose for bullshitJun 03 16:36
schestowitzThey'll earn money from you even if you don't like their junk carsJun 03 16:37
schestowitzender2070: not trueJun 03 16:37
WireWulfGM will just keep asking for money to pay back moneyJun 03 16:37
schestowitzAren't you near them?Jun 03 16:37
WireWulfnopeJun 03 16:38
DaemonFCMinceR, HP didn't used to make crapJun 03 16:38
WireWulfi am in the southeastJun 03 16:38
DaemonFCthey've fallenJun 03 16:38
schestowitzThey just recycle old metal and sell that junk (which they call "car")Jun 03 16:38
DaemonFC:PJun 03 16:38
DaemonFCrace to the bottomJun 03 16:38
schestowitzThat helps drive BP's businessJun 03 16:38
schestowitzDrill baby drill, buy cars to use what we drill forJun 03 16:38
DaemonFCthey used to have first rate customer support tooJun 03 16:38
schestowitzDaemonFC: I think the "bottom" means something else to themJun 03 16:39
ender2070the problem isnt just socialism either, capitalism is just as badJun 03 16:39
DaemonFCschestowitz, They sent me the pin settings and isntructions on how to install an upgrade CPU back in 1998Jun 03 16:39
schestowitz[Not price]Jun 03 16:39
DaemonFCas well as help me install Mandrake Linux on the thingJun 03 16:39
ender2070its a dialecticJun 03 16:39
DaemonFCnow they can't even tell you the time of day :PJun 03 16:39
WireWulfi profer marketism techniklyJun 03 16:39
WireWulfitis inbetween socialism and capitalismJun 03 16:39
DaemonFCnow if you open the case, you void their warrantyJun 03 16:40
DaemonFC:)Jun 03 16:40
DaemonFCif you say Linux, they hang upJun 03 16:40
WireWulfif you put in that CD they say fuck you ;PJun 03 16:40
MinceRwell, their love affair with m$ seems to be nearing its endJun 03 16:40
ender2070i prefer anarchy but i know its impossibleJun 03 16:40
DaemonFCand there is no sex in the champagn roomJun 03 16:40
ender2070i dont like the idea of governmentJun 03 16:41
DaemonFCyesJun 03 16:41
schestowitzMinceR: they gravitate towards fruit nowJun 03 16:41
schestowitzIn the US...Jun 03 16:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Red Hat's comments on Draft Policy on Indian Open Standards for e-Governance Version 1.1 dated May 2010 http://post.ly/iLCIJun 03 16:41
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schestowitz"And mind you, there are 6 continents that make up this world. So if the iHype is making some "pretty impressive" sales in North America and some parts of Europe, the rest of us still want to read news other than how much is being added to the Apple bottom line."Jun 03 16:41
MinceRi prefer anarchy but that won't solve all the problems, it will merely reduce the costs (in resources and liberties) wasted on attempts on solutions that don't workJun 03 16:41
schestowitzWell saidJun 03 16:41
MinceRpeople need to understand thatJun 03 16:41
ender2070yeahJun 03 16:42
ender2070hey maybe there will be nuclear war and there wont be government anywhereJun 03 16:42
ender2070we can trade caps as currencyJun 03 16:42
schestowitzDon't say that..Jun 03 16:42
ender2070and fight with mutantsJun 03 16:42
WireWulfi would ygo for anarchy but it always ends up the same place socialism does (oddly)Jun 03 16:42
schestowitzNuclear jokes..Jun 03 16:43
schestowitzThe cancer would last for agesJun 03 16:43
DaemonFCI know Kung Fu :PJun 03 16:43
schestowitzBad lives, no medical treatment and facilitiesJun 03 16:43
schestowitzDeformities in birthJun 03 16:43
ender2070maybe it would be enough to kill those banker familiesJun 03 16:43
ender2070lolJun 03 16:43
ender2070nuclear war is what this planet needsJun 03 16:44
ender2070the planet itself will recoverJun 03 16:44
MinceRWireWulf: that's because some important prerequisites are not metJun 03 16:44
MinceRuntil that happens, human society will naturally tend toward statism.Jun 03 16:44
DaemonFCmy rise to powerJun 03 16:44
DaemonFCis imminentJun 03 16:44
MinceRno, not reallyJun 03 16:44
schestowitzender2070: well, have your little nuclear war in your own gardenJun 03 16:44
schestowitzJust keep me out of it, pleaseJun 03 16:44
ender2070nuclear war would kill aidsJun 03 16:45
ender2070+1Jun 03 16:45
WireWulfMinceR if you control china you control the USA Jun 03 16:45
MinceRa better place to have nuclear wars is a virtual environmentJun 03 16:45
ender2070it would wipe out disease +1Jun 03 16:45
MinceRWireWulf: if you control the USA you conquer china?Jun 03 16:45
schestowitzViruses will surviveJun 03 16:45
DaemonFCmaybe Israel will unload rubber nuclear weapons as crowd control next time someone loads a boat up with food and diapers and medical suppliesJun 03 16:45
DaemonFCand then you'll get your wishJun 03 16:45
ender2070 if viruses will survive then why are we using radiation to kill them?Jun 03 16:45
WireWulfMinceR but if you control china you have the USA by the wallet and the balls atmJun 03 16:46
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzLtF_PxbYwJun 03 16:46
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MinceRrubber mushroom clouds? i want to see the pics of that happensJun 03 16:46
MinceRhttp://mediaeater.tumblr.com/post/658485903Jun 03 16:46
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schestowitzMinceR: poor sodJun 03 16:47
DaemonFCschestowitz, http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Leviticus_18Jun 03 16:47
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DaemonFCthere you have itJun 03 16:47
DaemonFCthose are the rulezJun 03 16:47
schestowitzDaemonFC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tRWRSfcDuQJun 03 16:48
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DaemonFCI need to go get Jabba his shots so they'll groom himJun 03 16:50
ender2070webm is now in fedora's updatesJun 03 16:50
ender2070update f13 today and you can watch webmJun 03 16:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Re-birthing Zine Culture in Indian FOSS communities and connecting colleges and Universities. http://post.ly/iLIfJun 03 16:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] lol RT: @chrisblizzard: Nice to see that bing.com is promoting Firefox today.Jun 03 17:19
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schestowitzender2070: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZzwRwFDXw0Jun 03 17:23
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Returned from dentist somewhat lighter in the wallet, and heavier in the bottom lip. Welcome to Dribblesville. Population me.Jun 03 17:31
ender2070are those the scientists who lied?Jun 03 17:33
ender2070ohhJun 03 17:34
ender2070its pro climate changeJun 03 17:34
WireWulffunny story 60% still think climate change and globle warming is based on current real time factsJun 03 17:35
ender2070yeahJun 03 17:36
WireWulfand tho it snowed 3x as much in alabama then in the last 10 ear that this was the hotest year on record so farJun 03 17:36
ender2070just cherry pick which weather stations source your dataJun 03 17:36
ender2070instant warmingJun 03 17:36
WireWulfweather stations awnser to noah hereJun 03 17:36
WireWulfexcluding fox (fox awnsers to fox)Jun 03 17:37
ender2070no i meant temperture stationsJun 03 17:37
WireWulftrueJun 03 17:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Just like higher prices for ciggies helped thwart underage smokers decades ago NOT! http://tinyurl.com/3377emxJun 03 17:55
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I wonder how many lobbyists for drinks firms have taken part oin this report, profit is king after all. http://tinyurl.com/3377emxJun 03 17:56
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Please retweet this - for a project I'm working on I need access to all of the NightHawk BBS CDROMS. Can anyone help?Jun 03 18:06
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: Scott Adams: Economic Value Of Content's Going Zero, But Maybe It's Okay http://bit.ly/9xdRwS gradually they get it #abundanceJun 03 18:16
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] New blog post: NightHawk BBS CD Rom Collection... http://madhatter.ca/2010/06/03/nighthawk-bbs-cd-rom-collection-does-anyone-still-have-it/Jun 03 18:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: Comment: Mozilla does it their way - http://bit.ly/9nkcBJ good point #mozilla #privacyJun 03 18:24
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DaemonFCgot the card installed and overclocked :)Jun 03 18:25
schestowitz[17:36] <WireWulf> and tho it snowed 3x as much in alabama then in the last 10 ear that this was the hotest year on record so farJun 03 18:31
schestowitzThat's just one placeJun 03 18:32
schestowitzLook globally, you look at one data pointJun 03 18:32
DaemonFCschestowitz, knowing ATI, I probably set the Linux compatibility on this rig back two yearsJun 03 18:32
DaemonFC:PJun 03 18:32
schestowitzAnd the US press fails badly hereJun 03 18:32
schestowitzIt gives 'equal time' to lies and scienceJun 03 18:32
DaemonFCbut it's a nice well behaved fast GPU on WindowsJun 03 18:32
DaemonFCit's work on Linux, it'll just be an evil, no good, rotten, malfunctioning, excruciatingly slow, bug-ridden pile of shitJun 03 18:33
DaemonFC(putting it mildly)Jun 03 18:33
DaemonFCI still see reports of people with this card getting the "Unsupported Hardware" watermark showing up on their Linux desktop from time to timeJun 03 18:34
DaemonFChave to reboot to get rid of it :PJun 03 18:34
DaemonFCschestowitz, I'll bet Microsoft pays ATI to write Linux driversJun 03 18:38
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DaemonFCif you think about it, that would explain a lotJun 03 18:38
MadRobotIs Novell sold yet?Jun 03 18:39
DaemonFCnoJun 03 18:39
MadRobotWhen will that happen?Jun 03 18:39
DaemonFCOpenSuse 11.3 development continues as normalJun 03 18:39
DaemonFCI hope OpenSuse can go to some place that getsw Mono out of it and takes care of it :PJun 03 18:40
DaemonFCwishful thinking, it'll probably just dieJun 03 18:40
DaemonFCthe kind of vulture funds circling over Novell have no interest in actually running NovellJun 03 18:40
MadRobotIt seems Novell's situation sucks  big time that nobody seems interested in buying it. lol. :PJun 03 18:40
DaemonFCor continuing SuseJun 03 18:40
DaemonFCMadRobot, My dad loves OpenSuseJun 03 18:41
DaemonFChe's going to be pissedJun 03 18:41
DaemonFChe went over to OpenSuse years back, when XP freaked out and de-activated itselfJun 03 18:42
DaemonFChe did get Microsoft to reactivate XP, but he lost Plus! and his copy of OfficeJun 03 18:42
DaemonFCand a bunch of DRM'd WMA files he hadJun 03 18:42
DaemonFCso he got both barrels of what DRM can do to youJun 03 18:42
DaemonFC:PJun 03 18:42
DaemonFChe was livid, I don't blame himJun 03 18:43
DaemonFCI'd be mad if I was out that kind of moneyJun 03 18:43
DaemonFCI don't remember when he decided to go with OpenSuse exactly, but his root partition was reiserfs when I was over there one Christmas :PJun 03 18:44
DaemonFCone of his hard drives was on the way out and it was causing the PC to not want to boot upJun 03 18:46
DaemonFCI whacked it with the back end of a screwdriver a few times and got it to start back up long enough to pull the data off of it :PJun 03 18:47
DaemonFCschestowitz, I guess the thing that shocked me most about OpenSuse is that they don't consider locate part of the base system :PJun 03 18:48
DaemonFCwell, maybe that's second, repos in Yast are a monster of their ownJun 03 18:48
DaemonFCyou flip on Packman and VLC and you already have things conflictingJun 03 18:49
DaemonFCsometimes a package manager can be too smart for its own goodJun 03 18:49
DaemonFCDebian's is nice and stupid, if there's two repositories with the same packages, it just picks out the ones that say they're the later versionJun 03 18:50
schestowitz[18:40] <MadRobot> It seems Novell's situation sucks  big time that nobody seems interested in buying it. lol. :PJun 03 19:05
schestowitzMaybe hedge fundJun 03 19:05
schestowitzNovell won't slice itself up and sellJun 03 19:05
schestowitzA vulture canJun 03 19:05
schestowitzI'll do some tweeting/denting now....Jun 03 19:06
MinceRhttp://xkcd.com/748/Jun 03 19:09
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WireWulfnovell still owns unix Jun 03 19:10
WireWulfthat is a scary thought if they was bought out by say M$ or appleJun 03 19:10
DaemonFCwe might be better off if the courts give it to SCOJun 03 19:10
DaemonFC:PJun 03 19:10
WireWulfgive it to bell labs :PJun 03 19:11
DaemonFCYou mean Alcatel-Lucent?Jun 03 19:11
WireWulfatleast bell is still floating on goverment/military contrectsJun 03 19:11
DaemonFCOne of the most notorius MP3 patent trolls?Jun 03 19:12
DaemonFCyou want to give UNIX to them? :)Jun 03 19:12
MinceRdoes it matter if m$ owns unix via sco or via novell?Jun 03 19:13
MinceRor via both?Jun 03 19:13
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcatel-Lucent_v._MicrosoftJun 03 19:13
TechrightsTitle: Alcatel-Lucent v. Microsoft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 69.28 KBJun 03 19:13
DaemonFCyeah, I know the defendant is MicrosoftJun 03 19:13
DaemonFCbut the point is that Alcatel-Lucent is an MP3 patent trollJun 03 19:13
WireWulfhonistly let unix get sold to the ppl who bought out sunJun 03 19:13
WireWulfkeep M$ hands off itJun 03 19:14
MinceRanyway, afaik since the court decision it doesn't matter what m$, novell or sco wants to do about unix because it was licensed correctly and legallyJun 03 19:14
MinceRso they can't take back the unix code in linux (if any)Jun 03 19:14
DaemonFCMicrosoft filed a frivolous countersuit to the frivolous suit against themJun 03 19:14
MinceRand proprietary unix is dead anywayJun 03 19:14
DaemonFCand the jury dismissed both sidesJun 03 19:14
DaemonFC:DJun 03 19:14
WireWulfit was found linux has no unix code left in itJun 03 19:14
DaemonFCnever had any to begin withJun 03 19:14
WireWulfBSD has a ton of unix code in itJun 03 19:15
DaemonFCSCO got into court and could show where one line of UNIX code had ever been in LinuxJun 03 19:15
DaemonFCthe best they could trump up was a couple header files that were similar (and had to be in order for Linux to be POSIX compliant)Jun 03 19:15
DaemonFC*couldn't showJun 03 19:15
DaemonFCTorvalds even mocked SCOJun 03 19:16
DaemonFC"You know what you did and we're not telling you"Jun 03 19:16
DaemonFC:PJun 03 19:16
WireWulfSCO had its owe issuesJun 03 19:16
WireWulfnovell took them out by maintaining he rights to the unix nameJun 03 19:17
WireWulfspeaking of which who owns unixx system's code at$t or Oracle?Jun 03 19:18
DaemonFCno ideaJun 03 19:18
DaemonFCThe Open Group owns the trademarkJun 03 19:19
WireWulfyes bu not the codeJun 03 19:19
DaemonFCthey charge a fortune to test your OS against their standardsJun 03 19:19
DaemonFCaand if it passes and you cough up the money, your OS is UNIX :PJun 03 19:19
DaemonFCit's possible that Linux would passJun 03 19:19
DaemonFCbut who knows or cares?Jun 03 19:19
DaemonFC:PJun 03 19:19
WireWulfi think at&t still owns the unix system codeJun 03 19:20
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WireWulfunix is own'd by novellJun 03 19:20
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MinceRThe Open Group owns and mismanages the trademarkJun 03 19:20
MinceRThere, fixed that for you.Jun 03 19:21
MinceRafaik Novell owns the codeJun 03 19:21
MinceRand SCO tried to claim that they didn't license all of it or something, iircJun 03 19:21
MinceRwhen they sold it to NovellJun 03 19:21
WireWulfmy question is on at&t's solo product based on unix that solaris is based on Jun 03 19:22
WireWulfi want to know who owns it Jun 03 19:22
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DaemonFCMinceR, I'm starting to concur with the opinion that GNOME is a buggy pile of shit held together by chewing gumJun 03 19:24
MinceR:>Jun 03 19:24
MinceRsadly, i'm starting to think that so is KDE4Jun 03 19:24
WireWulffound the awnser to my questionJun 03 19:25
WireWulfUSL - unix system labs (owned by at&t)Jun 03 19:26
DaemonFCMinceR, at least the squeaky wheels are getting the grease in KDEJun 03 19:26
DaemonFCGNOME just takes the wheel off and tells you you don't want that wheel anywayJun 03 19:26
MinceRthat's great, maybe it will be usable somewhere around 4.10Jun 03 19:26
MinceRonly to be thrown away in favor of 5.0Jun 03 19:26
DaemonFCyou refer to what happened to KDE 3?Jun 03 19:27
DaemonFCMinceR, I've noticed that about a lot of open source stuffJun 03 19:27
MinceRyesJun 03 19:27
DaemonFCby the time it's something you'd feel OK about using, they abandon itJun 03 19:28
MinceRso it seemsJun 03 19:28
DaemonFCobviously there's plenty of high profile examples of great open source projects that are gathering developers in a snowballing effectJun 03 19:29
DaemonFCbut three's enough disasters tooJun 03 19:29
DaemonFCLame is getting risky of becoming abandonedJun 03 19:29
DaemonFCit only has one active developer leftJun 03 19:29
DaemonFCand onyl two people have commit access to CVSJun 03 19:30
DaemonFCbut, whatever becomes of it, it's to the point now where it will always be a better MP3 encoder than the commercial onesJun 03 19:30
DaemonFCso maybe that's still a winJun 03 19:30
DaemonFC:)Jun 03 19:30
schestowitzIt is  commercialJun 03 19:31
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DaemonFCno it's notJun 03 19:31
schestowitzAnd many companies may already be leliant on itJun 03 19:31
schestowitzIt isJun 03 19:31
schestowitzIt's not just proprietaryJun 03 19:31
DaemonFCI said commercial encoderJun 03 19:31
schestowitzi.e. it's not suppressiveJun 03 19:31
DaemonFCas in, the one in itunesJun 03 19:32
schestowitzcommercial=used in commrceJun 03 19:32
DaemonFCahhh, in that case, I supposeJun 03 19:32
DaemonFCthe MAFIAA themselves use LAMEJun 03 19:32
DaemonFCto create MP3s for music storesJun 03 19:32
DaemonFCthe problem with buying MP3s from an online store is that once the record company rips the MP3s, they never go back and re-rip them just because 1,000 bugs in the encoder were fixed over the last 5 yearsJun 03 19:34
DaemonFCthat file they ripped 5 years ago is what you're buying nowJun 03 19:34
DaemonFCand that can be an astounding quality difference at the pace LAME was being actively developed at back thenJun 03 19:35
DaemonFCI've gotten a few MP3s from places like Amazon if they had a promo going and was not impressed with the qualityJun 03 19:36
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DaemonFC$1 per song is one thingJun 03 19:38
DaemonFCbut at least use an up to date encoderJun 03 19:38
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ender2070they should only offer losslessJun 03 19:38
DaemonFCschestowitz, It's just like $1.50 for a bottle of water only it's really moose pissJun 03 19:39
DaemonFCand you only find out after you bought someJun 03 19:39
DaemonFCender2070, I agreeJun 03 19:39
DaemonFCbut they don't want toJun 03 19:39
ender2070ubuntu is a reseller for lossy mp3s when their source offers flac tooJun 03 19:39
DaemonFCthe RIAA thrives on defective media formats that must be "upgraded"Jun 03 19:40
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ender2070flac wont work on team ubuntu/mono's ipadsJun 03 19:40
MinceRthen they should go beg for jobs at crAppleJun 03 19:40
DaemonFCjono_ will fix itJun 03 19:40
DaemonFCwith PyFLACJun 03 19:40
DaemonFCB-)Jun 03 19:40
ender2070i think they wanted jobs at Apple but couldnt get themJun 03 19:41
MinceRcrApple won't allow apps written in pythonJun 03 19:41
DaemonFC+1Jun 03 19:41
ender2070miguel copied ms tech cause he couldnt work thereJun 03 19:41
ender2070he tried to get a job but didnt have a visaJun 03 19:41
MinceRso novell:m$ :: canonical:crApple?Jun 03 19:41
ender2070even had friends who got him an interviewJun 03 19:41
DaemonFCyeah, and his is an order of magnitude slower, and non-compatibleJun 03 19:42
DaemonFCeven if you don't look at the patent problemsJun 03 19:42
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ender2070mono does not innovateJun 03 19:42
ender2070project mono doesnt innovateJun 03 19:42
ender2070copying people isnt inventingJun 03 19:42
DaemonFCif you want to use .NET CLR and Mono CLR, you have to revert to whatever they have in common and then still rewrite things for each oneJun 03 19:42
DaemonFCand Mono on Windows is not even compatible with Mono for LinuxJun 03 19:43
DaemonFC:PJun 03 19:43
DaemonFCkind of defeats the purpose of an interpreted high level language infrastructureJun 03 19:43
DaemonFCat least the others are truly cross platformJun 03 19:43
DaemonFC:PJun 03 19:43
ender2070mono also includes far more than just ECMA standardsJun 03 19:43
DaemonFCright, like WinformsJun 03 19:44
ender2070im _still_ waiting for the patent-risk free version of mono they promisedJun 03 19:44
ender2070the ecma-only editionJun 03 19:44
DaemonFCif they only implemented the ECMA, IEC, and ISO standards to create Mono, it wouldn't do anything at allJun 03 19:44
DaemonFCyou need to go past all that just to access the file system!Jun 03 19:44
DaemonFC:DJun 03 19:44
ender2070nah thats not trueJun 03 19:45
ender2070linux distros rip out the non ecma parts themselvesJun 03 19:45
ender2070ubuntu doesnt contain them, afaikJun 03 19:45
DaemonFCyesJun 03 19:45
DaemonFCthey doJun 03 19:45
DaemonFCyou need them to run TomboyJun 03 19:45
ender2070the mono project should be doing thatJun 03 19:46
DaemonFCand FSpotJun 03 19:46
ender2070still?Jun 03 19:46
DaemonFCyesJun 03 19:46
ender2070yeah so that means their arguement is bullshitJun 03 19:46
DaemonFCwhy do you think Fedora wanted rid of Tomboy and F-Spot so bad?Jun 03 19:46
ender2070theres a patent risk no matter how much they flail their arms?Jun 03 19:46
ender2070lolJun 03 19:46
DaemonFCthey had to ship non-standard highly patented bits of Mono just to run themJun 03 19:47
ender2070yeahJun 03 19:47
ender2070redhat legal had issues with thatJun 03 19:47
DaemonFCwithout those bits, I'm telling youJun 03 19:47
DaemonFCMono would do little or nothingJun 03 19:47
DaemonFCyou'd certainly never get useful applications like Banshee out of iotJun 03 19:47
DaemonFC*itJun 03 19:47
ender2070yeahJun 03 19:47
ender2070theres also a big difference between accidently violating a patent, and knowingly doing itJun 03 19:48
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DaemonFCUbuntu pretends they're being ignorantJun 03 19:48
ender2070if you accidently do it, and are shown in good faith to fix the problem you're usually fineJun 03 19:48
DaemonFCit's why it's such a sore subjectJun 03 19:48
ender2070they are doing it on purposeJun 03 19:48
DaemonFCthey "don't want to know" that they know what they're doingJun 03 19:49
ender2070thats the thing daemonJun 03 19:49
ender2070if they dont know they can get less punishmentJun 03 19:49
ender2070but they'll never be able to prove thatJun 03 19:49
ender2070everyone has made it aware to canonicalJun 03 19:49
DaemonFCso it's as easy as not going to great lengths to find out just how many patents they are violating?Jun 03 19:49
DaemonFCcoolJun 03 19:49
DaemonFCI wish everything in life worked that wayJun 03 19:50
ender2070you'll still be violating a patentJun 03 19:50
DaemonFC"I didn't know robbing a bank, stealing a car, and fleeing to Mexico was illegal"Jun 03 19:50
DaemonFC"I was jsut going on vacation with my new found wealth"Jun 03 19:50
DaemonFC"Honest!"Jun 03 19:50
ender2070lol thats taking it to the extremeJun 03 19:50
ender2070its more like, instead of paying a million in damages, it might just be a few grandJun 03 19:51
ender2070you just get punished less, not exemptJun 03 19:51
DaemonFCrisk/rewardJun 03 19:51
DaemonFCthey risk paying some damagesJun 03 19:51
DaemonFCthey stand to be rewarded by pretending they're big shotsJun 03 19:51
ender2070cause come on, its almost impossible to look up patents on every idea you might conceive ofJun 03 19:52
DaemonFCshipping this fancy thing that does all kinds of buzzword-worthy thingsJun 03 19:52
ender2070hellJun 03 19:52
ender2070sometimes the patents are quite specific, and you might not even be violating itJun 03 19:52
ender2070but the threat is thereJun 03 19:52
DaemonFCif there's open source solution on all fronts, I don't care if I violate patentsJun 03 19:53
DaemonFCthe reason I'm not using AAC is not because I care how patented it isJun 03 19:53
ender2070patents are evil and i pretend they dont existJun 03 19:53
ender2070they wont effect me unless i distribute somethingJun 03 19:53
DaemonFCif there was a decent open source encoder and decoder floating around for AAC, I'd use itJun 03 19:53
DaemonFCthe open source AAC codecs are worse quality than LAME MP3Jun 03 19:53
ender2070ouchJun 03 19:53
DaemonFCyeah, really bad qualityJun 03 19:54
ender2070ill be backJun 03 19:54
DaemonFCFAACJun 03 19:54
DaemonFCtry it outJun 03 19:54
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DaemonFCcompare it with NeroJun 03 19:54
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cubezzzwe don't have that DMCA-like thing in CanadaJun 03 20:05
cubezzznot sure what's happening now thoughJun 03 20:05
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cubezzzyou should be allowed to remove DRM in some casesJun 03 20:05
MinceRcanada has ratified but not implemented the WIPO Copyright TreatyJun 03 20:06
WireWulfwhat is a open intel cpu?Jun 03 20:06
MinceRsigning it was already a bad ideaJun 03 20:06
MinceRand after the shitstorm, they might very well implement it tooJun 03 20:06
MinceRand then you'll be just as fucked as i am.Jun 03 20:06
cubezzzblahJun 03 20:07
cubezzzbut we aren't reallyJun 03 20:07
WireWulfand what the hell is a unlocked intel cpu?Jun 03 20:07
MinceRcubezzz: not _yet_Jun 03 20:07
cubezzzMinceR, what I mean is I'll keep removing DRM but not share those fileswJun 03 20:07
DaemonFC01 - Don't Fear The Reaper.oggJun 03 20:08
cubezzznothing they can do about thatJun 03 20:08
DaemonFCComments: This ogg needs more cowbell!Jun 03 20:08
DaemonFCB-)Jun 03 20:08
WireWulfi rip movies but dont sellJun 03 20:09
cubezzzor 70's tv shows captured from VHSJun 03 20:09
WireWulfor share themJun 03 20:09
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cubezzzright, I think that's fine tooJun 03 20:09
MinceRcubezzz: they can report or sue you for itJun 03 20:09
cubezzzhow can they report it?Jun 03 20:09
cubezzzreport what? :)Jun 03 20:10
cubezzzI'm not going to tell themJun 03 20:10
MinceRthey'll find out at a border search once canada signs the ACTA :>Jun 03 20:10
MinceRor maybe they'll break into your system or search your house or whateverJun 03 20:10
cubezzzthat I removed the DRM from a tennis video I paid for?Jun 03 20:10
cubezzzahhh, unlikely I thinkJun 03 20:11
MinceRit's illegalJun 03 20:11
MinceRunder the WCTJun 03 20:11
MinceRand it will be illegal under Canadian law if it's implementedJun 03 20:11
MinceRand signing the WCT shows willingness to implement itJun 03 20:12
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cubezzzjaywalking is illegal tooJun 03 20:12
cubezzzMinceR, I think there's an exception cause for that thoughJun 03 20:13
cubezzzmy case may be an exceptionJun 03 20:13
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cubezzzI could argue I had to remove the DRM for backup purposesJun 03 20:13
WireWulfyou could say you was ripping to a portable video playerJun 03 20:14
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MinceRafaik breaking any DRM is illegal for any purpose under the WCTJun 03 20:14
cubezzzno, I could argue for the purposes of long-term storage I have reasonable grounds for removing the DRMJun 03 20:15
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cubezzzwell, I never saw any WCT documentation saying that, but then I never lookedJun 03 20:15
cubezzzI could say the DRM server or whatever could disappear some dayJun 03 20:16
MinceRand they wouldn't careJun 03 20:17
MinceRfair use is historyJun 03 20:17
cubezzzunless they outlaw groups like doom9, I'd say not :)Jun 03 20:17
MinceRmight as well download all the stuff from p2p filesharing networks, it's just as illegalJun 03 20:17
cubezzzanyway, puretracks is dropping DRMJun 03 20:19
cubezzzcauses people a lot of troubleJun 03 20:20
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cubezzzMinceR, sure, Microsoft would love that, unbreakable unremovable DRMJun 03 20:20
cubezzzcut out Linux completelyJun 03 20:20
MinceRit's breakable and removable, just not legallyJun 03 20:21
MinceRthe WCT should have been stopped while it could beJun 03 20:21
cubezzz"Although Canada signed the WIPO treaties in 1997, it has yet to enact them into domestic law."Jun 03 20:22
*WireWulf likes the idea of none of these DRM thingysJun 03 20:22
cubezzzno domestic law MinceRJun 03 20:22
MinceRi know, and i've said soJun 03 20:22
MinceRbut i've also said that 210814 < MinceR> and signing the WCT shows willingness to implement itJun 03 20:23
MinceRCorporate Puppet Obama has already flamed Canada for not implementing it, iircJun 03 20:23
WireWulfMinceR p2p illegality depends on the state in question, what day it is, and what media was d/l'dJun 03 20:23
MinceRi knowJun 03 20:25
MinceRand what kind of p2p was itJun 03 20:25
cubezzzwhat day it is?Jun 03 20:25
cubezzzhow does that work?Jun 03 20:25
MinceRfor example here in absurdistan it's illegal to upload, but legal to downloadJun 03 20:25
MinceRwhich makes normal BitTorrent of unlicensed content illegalJun 03 20:26
WireWulfcubezzz the court system in most US states go against the fed government (which in the law honistly states if you sell it)Jun 03 20:27
WireWulfmy states court system has had issues with illegal shutdowns of public servers for the torrent d/l's of BSD and linuxJun 03 20:28
WireWulfso it is a day by day thingJun 03 20:28
cubezzzwell getting BSD should be no problemJun 03 20:28
MinceRit should beJun 03 20:28
cubezzzlots of http and ftp filesJun 03 20:28
MinceRbut it's jesuslandJun 03 20:29
MinceRand in general, it's a corporate-owned planetJun 03 20:29
MinceRwith people in corporate-owned slave statusJun 03 20:29
MinceReven if they don't know about itJun 03 20:29
WireWulfcubezzz yes but bittorrent is fasterJun 03 20:29
WireWulfand if you run a website speed can be importentJun 03 20:30
cubezzzhmmm, maybe I could find old KDE source on bittorrentJun 03 20:30
WireWulfmy public DC hub  was shutdown twice in the last yearJun 03 20:31
WireWulfbut nothing illegal was ever shared on itJun 03 20:31
WireWulfand no illegal files was ever on the server its selfJun 03 20:32
cubezzzis it still down?Jun 03 20:32
WireWulfby my choiceJun 03 20:33
WireWulfi down graded my net after that Jun 03 20:33
WireWulfi had the highest range of d/l up/l speed thill i had to pay a lawer in a unrelated matter Jun 03 20:35
MinceRrelevant >> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/cb2w4/if_youre_canadian_you_use_linux_and_you_like/Jun 03 20:37
cubezzz""29.4 (1) It is not an infringement of copyright for an educational institution or a person acting under its authority for the purposes of education or training on its premises to reproduce a work, or do any other necessary act, in order to display it."Jun 03 20:39
cubezzzbesides, it's just a billJun 03 20:40
cubezzzthe previous bill never became law eitherJun 03 20:40
WireWulflaws cxan be beantJun 03 20:41
WireWulfjust ask the alabama state goverment :PJun 03 20:41
WireWulfand our lack of taxes for fed goverment health care bill :PJun 03 20:41
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cubezzzC-32 actual text:Jun 03 20:49
cubezzzon asp lolJun 03 20:50
cubezzzhttp://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Docid=4580265&file=4Jun 03 20:50
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WireWulffedora 13 was fairly okay with my celeronJun 03 20:52
cubezzzMinceR, check this out:Jun 03 20:53
cubezzz"(a) reproduce the copy by adapting, modifying or converting it, or translating it into another computer language, if the person proves that the reproduced copyJun 03 20:53
cubezzzJun 03 20:53
cubezzz(i) is essential for the compatibility of the computer program with a particular computer,"Jun 03 20:53
MinceRprogram, not video nor audio dataJun 03 20:53
cubezzz"It is not an infringement of copyright in a computer program for a person who owns a copy of the computer program that is authorized by the owner of the copyrightJun 03 20:53
MinceRonce again, programJun 03 20:54
cubezzz"29.24 (1) It is not an infringement of copyright in a work or other subject-matter for a person who owns — or has a licence to use — a copy of the work or subject-matter (in this section referred to as the “source copy”) to reproduce the source copy ifJun 03 20:55
cubezzzJun 03 20:55
cubezzz(a) the person does so solely for backup purposes in case the source copy is lost, damaged or otherwise rendered unusable;"Jun 03 20:55
MinceR"reproduce" does not necessarily include breaking DRMJun 03 20:56
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MinceRexcept at CERNJun 03 20:56
cubezzzDRM isn't mentioned in the actJun 03 20:56
cubezzzI did lookJun 03 20:56
WireWulfdepends ChanServJun 03 20:57
MinceRnot even in some sort of code?Jun 03 20:57
WireWulfcubezzzJun 03 20:57
cubezzzthe words "digital rights" don't appear eitherJun 03 20:57
cubezzzI'll look for encryptionJun 03 20:57
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cubezzzI'll have to study it to be 100% clear thoughJun 03 20:59
MinceRprotection?Jun 03 21:00
MinceR"security"? (they like to call it that, even though it isn'tJun 03 21:00
MinceR)Jun 03 21:00
cubezzz"41.12 (1) Paragraph 41.1(1)(a) does not apply to a person who owns a computer program or a copy of one, or has a licence to use the program or copy, and who circumvents a technological protection measure that protects that program or copy for the sole purpose of obtaining information that would allow the person to make the program and any other computer program interoperable."Jun 03 21:02
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cubezzzso I'll just apply that to windows media player :)Jun 03 21:03
cubezzzor a dvd program, or... whateverJun 03 21:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Parsix #GNU #Linux and Qimo (Ubuntu Derivatives) http://ur1.ca/05bfr http://ur1.ca/05bfsJun 03 21:08
DaemonFChmmm, my card supports OpenGL 4Jun 03 21:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Devices Running #Linux : T-Box, Blackmagic, Kno http://ur1.ca/05bgv http://ur1.ca/05bgx http://ur1.ca/05bgyJun 03 21:15
WireWulfyum openGL 4.0Jun 03 21:16
WireWulfopenGL > then Directx "still"Jun 03 21:17
DaemonFCI may get the DIRT 2 demoJun 03 21:17
DaemonFCto try out DirectX 11Jun 03 21:17
WireWulfi have DX11Jun 03 21:18
WireWulfalso have openGL 4Jun 03 21:18
DaemonFCthis card kicks assJun 03 21:25
DaemonFCit's worth at least two 4670sJun 03 21:26
WireWulfmmm i wanna crossfirex enabled broad that is worth a damnedJun 03 21:26
WireWulffor gamingJun 03 21:26
MinceRhttp://img.waffleimages.com/1ec2dd301f15a5bc138cce6442a0c8d407ee0433/balmdance.gif   http://img.waffleimages.com/cbff997b1147c600d62c46915a8e708fe0cfdb25/ballmermobile.gifJun 03 21:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sub-notebooks With #Google 's #GNU #Linux Distribution Are Coming This Year http://ur1.ca/052cy http://ur1.ca/05bkxJun 03 21:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Mew #Tablets Run #Linux http://ur1.ca/05blb http://ur1.ca/05blc http://ur1.ca/05bld http://ur1.ca/05bleJun 03 21:36
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Governance Discussed by #IBM VP http://www.sutor.com/c/2010/06/10-elements-open-source-governance/Jun 03 21:40
MinceRi wonder how difficult would it be to disable the killswitch in androidJun 03 21:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Many #FreeSoftware Successes in #Africa http://ur1.ca/05bm7 http://ur1.ca/05bm8 http://ur1.ca/05bm9 http://ur1.ca/05bmaJun 03 21:44
MinceRhttp://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l3amrjs5NI1qzusjlo1_400.jpgJun 03 21:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Projects Released by #Google as Free Software, Campsite 3.3.6 http://ur1.ca/05bpn http://ur1.ca/05bpoJun 03 22:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Examples of the Power of the #GIMP and Free/Libre Graphics http://ur1.ca/05bpt http://ur1.ca/05bpuJun 03 22:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Hopes of easing USA economic blockade of Cuba depend on long and uncertain legislative process. http://is.gd/cBt9HJun 03 22:08
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Seria bom que os Eurodeputados portuguesses fossem a esta conferência no Parlamento Europeu, bora passar palavra? http://is.gd/cBtqTJun 03 22:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] It would be good if MEPs went to this conference in EuroParl, spread the word, please! http://is.gd/cBtqT Financing culture in digital era.Jun 03 22:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] 1 in 20 people in the UK own a gun? That does not sound right to me. Still it was on the national news so it must be true.Jun 03 22:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA Under Attack From India http://ur1.ca/056cw http://ur1.ca/05buo http://ur1.ca/05bup http://ur1.ca/059n0Jun 03 22:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] w00t! Interlanguage links to go back to expanded by default on #wikipedia https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23497Jun 03 22:36
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TechrightsHello World!Jun 03 22:57
TechrightsTitle: Main Page - Techrights .::. Size~: 36.99 KBJun 03 22:57
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/34524574#notice-34699712 "..but oddly at the same time people not familiar with linux think it is a step backwards from windows. From my unscientific" (Re usability)Jun 03 23:03
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] UK guns. Gun licences are issued to about 1 in 90 (85% shotguns). News figures (1 in 20) were from WP total guns in uk/population, army etcJun 03 23:09
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @31daSarrafada: "Um ministro em funções pode ir a clubes secretos como o Bildenberg?" http://bit.ly/akSM1jJun 03 23:20
TechrightsTitle: Um ministro em funções pode ir a clubes secretos como o Bildenberg? - 31 da Sarrafada .::. Size~: 22.36 KBJun 03 23:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @pvilela: Face ao relatório da Com Europeia sobre e-escola e e-escolinha o Secretário de Estado que coordenou o processo devia-se demitirJun 03 23:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] David "two brains" Willets has just defended the choice of Gaza in voting for Hamas in democratic elections, good for him, I am gobsmacked.Jun 03 23:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Sometimes, it seems that even though an HTTP 200 OK is returned, there's no content in identi.ca or twitter. #elmdentica crash bug now fixedJun 03 23:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why the #FreeSoftware / #OpenSource Community Does Not Love #Apple and is Already Ahead of Apple http://ur1.ca/05c6dJun 03 23:45
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DaemonFChttp://www.crn.com/mobile/225300322;jsessionid=IV5D0LM2UKAOJQE1GHPCKHWATMY32JVNJun 03 23:48
DaemonFCBallmer!!!Jun 03 23:48
TechrightsTitle: Ballmer Says Apple's iPad Is Just A PC At Heart - Mobile - IT Channel News by CRN .::. Size~: 77.11 KBJun 03 23:48
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DaemonFChttp://news.google.com/news/section?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=Steve+Ballmer&topicsid=en_us%3At&topicnv=MTI3NTYwNTE4NglNb2JpbGUgSW5kdXN0cnkJRmFjZWJvb2sJU3RldmUgQmFsbG1lcglNb2JpbGUgVGVjaG5vbG9neQlTdGV2ZSBKb2JzCVNwYWNlWAlTZWFyY2ggRW5naW5lcwlDb21wdXRpbmcJQW1hem9uIEtpbmRsZQlSZWFsdGltZSBXZWI%3D&ict=tnv2Jun 03 23:50
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DaemonFCjoyJun 03 23:50
DaemonFCAll Ballmer, all the time!Jun 03 23:51
DaemonFCschestowitz, It's the news...in Ballmer-VisionJun 03 23:52
DaemonFChttp://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_23/b4181035651502.htmJun 03 23:53
TechrightsTitle: Steve Ballmer: A Plea for Better Copyright Protection - BusinessWeek .::. Size~: 51.72 KBJun 03 23:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Bad is calling me....Jun 03 23:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] See how it calls me? s/Bad/Bed/ zZzZzZzZJun 03 23:53
DaemonFCBallmer lobbies for racketeering enablement laws in VietnamJun 03 23:53
tessierYou don't need laws to enable anything in VietnamJun 03 23:54
DaemonFChere's a good oneJun 03 23:55
DaemonFChttp://www.tgdaily.com/unbalanced/49996-steve-ballmer-and-geezer-ceo-syndromeJun 03 23:55
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DaemonFChttp://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2010/05/25/evening-reading-why-is-steve-ballmer-still-microsoft-ceo/Jun 03 23:58
TechrightsTitle:   Evening Reading: Why Is Steve Ballmer Still Microsoft CEO? - Deal Journal - WSJ .::. Size~: 79.74 KBJun 03 23:58
DaemonFCthe Wall Street thugs don't like BallmerJun 03 23:58
DaemonFCpoor BallmerJun 03 23:58
DaemonFChttp://baselinescenario.com/2010/05/24/microsoft-mobile-phones-steve-ballmer/Jun 03 23:59
TechrightsTitle: Why Does Steve Ballmer Still Have a Job? «  The Baseline Scenario .::. Size~: 137.13 KBJun 03 23:59

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